[B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9?

[Linc Reed-Nickerson]

It's not Google maps that's off, it depends on which NAD (North American
Datum) was used for the coordinates.  NAD 27 or NAD 83.

In some cases the coordinates were wrong to errors in local base maps, the
USGS isn't perfect, or in others the applicant simply took a SWAG at the
coordinates and got them wrong.

When I first looked at KORC I found the tower to be over a 1/4 mile from
where it was supposed to be.  The original owner did some pretty sloppy
work, and defining the location may have been part of it.  I had to apply
for a CP to correct the coordinates, fortunately I had recent impedance
measurements to relicense something that already existed.

There are cases of stations built years ago, in the wrong place for whatever
reason, and the FCC found it only after the advent of GPS, and fined the
station owner... even though the station hadn't moved and had been in place
for 50 plus years... One station, in Eugene, OR I believe, was due to a base
map error and the fine was rescinded after the consulting engineer was able
show where the error had come from.

Linc 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:57 AM
To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild
Cc: Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9?

Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off when using
exact co-ordinates.

I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps putn it 500
feet off from where I knew it to be.

Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where the translator
licenses itself?

Paul Walker

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <
Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote:

> > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that
> > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or
> > words to that effect)
> >
> > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where
> > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard
> > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn?
>
> In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the
> "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either
> case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine).
> They were granted a license on 15 September 2009,
>
>     http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf
>
> which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they
> haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum--which GPS, Google Maps and
> just about everyone else uses--is beyond logic),
>
>
>
>
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns=
N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27
>
> locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center
> parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly:
>
>     http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h
>
> No sign of anything there, now!
> The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010,
>
>     http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf
>
> with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates,
>
>
>
>
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns=
N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27
>
> identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square
> Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as
the
> transmitting site:
>
>     http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h
>
> So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to
> Salem (especially since they lost WESX!).
>
>
>     ~Kaimbridge~
>
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