From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 1 07:37:46 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 07:37:46 -0500 Subject: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriage In-Reply-To: <596639599.4383159.1483271658595@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1036485770.4369316.1483271578886@mail.yahoo.com> <596639599.4383159.1483271658595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15774625_10210726214964209_ 7443536991003744760_o.jpg?oh=955461bd490cca5f2f07f7431a114223&oe=591ECB62 My understanding of the CRTC rules are the relay to the uplink must be the over the air signal - so Canada is most likely getting WBTS-LD In Massachusetts the signal we get on Comcast is direct fiber to the headend. On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Tim Ripley wrote: > To clarify, that's 2am Eastern (3am here in the Maritimes)... > > > On Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:52 AM, Tim Ripley > wrote: > > > Bell TV, the Canadian DTH service that carries Boston network affiliates, > made the switch sometime overnight (they got approval to switch on December > 20th, with major Canadian cableco Rogers backing them up). I spotted an > on-screen WBTS/WNEU/WMFP ID at the start of American Ninja Warrior at 2am, > so I'm guessing Bell threw the switch around that time, as the last NBC > show listed for WHDH was SNL...Bell's on-screen program guide had NBC > Boston programming listed from 4am on when I checked it yesterday- > unfortunately, someone forgot to gave the info to the companies that supply > program listings to the newspapers here in Atlantic Canada, as they're > still carrying listings for WHDH at this point! > > > On Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:24 AM, Kevin Vahey > wrote: > > > It appears most Canadian cable and satellite operators will simply swap > WBTS-LD for WHDH. > > > > http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2016/2016-489.htm > > > > > From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 06:52:58 2017 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1036485770.4369316.1483271578886@mail.yahoo.com> Bell TV, the Canadian DTH service that carries Boston network affiliates, made the switch sometime overnight (they got approval to switch on December 20th, with major Canadian cableco Rogers backing them up). I spotted an on-screen WBTS/WNEU/WMFP ID at the start of American Ninja Warrior at 2am, so I'm guessing Bell threw the switch around that time, as the last NBC show listed for WHDH was SNL...Bell's on-screen program guide had NBC Boston programming listed from 4am on when I checked it yesterday- unfortunately, someone forgot to gave the info to the companies that supply program listings to the newspapers here in Atlantic Canada, as they're still carrying listings for WHDH at this point! On Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:24 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: It appears most Canadian cable and satellite operators will simply swap WBTS-LD for WHDH. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2016/2016-489.htm From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 06:54:18 2017 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriage In-Reply-To: <1036485770.4369316.1483271578886@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1036485770.4369316.1483271578886@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <596639599.4383159.1483271658595@mail.yahoo.com> To clarify, that's 2am Eastern (3am here in the Maritimes)... On Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:52 AM, Tim Ripley wrote: Bell TV, the Canadian DTH service that carries Boston network affiliates, made the switch sometime overnight (they got approval to switch on December 20th, with major Canadian cableco Rogers backing them up). I spotted an on-screen WBTS/WNEU/WMFP ID at the start of American Ninja Warrior at 2am, so I'm guessing Bell threw the switch around that time, as the last NBC show listed for WHDH was SNL...Bell's on-screen program guide had NBC Boston programming listed from 4am on when I checked it yesterday- unfortunately, someone forgot to gave the info to the companies that supply program listings to the newspapers here in Atlantic Canada, as they're still carrying listings for WHDH at this point! On Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:24 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: It appears most Canadian cable and satellite operators will simply swap WBTS-LD for WHDH. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2016/2016-489.htm From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jan 1 12:01:30 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 12:01:30 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found a news article: *http://www.millburysutton.com/news/2016-12-29/News/Changes_in_Charter_channels_begin_Jan_1.html * *That claims WBTSHD will be on 787 and WHDHHD moves to 777, but this is not the case as of an* *hour ago.* *-Bob* On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Charter News > The charter website still shows the old arrangement, and there has been > zero official notices sent to subscribers. However: > > For Worcester area subscribers, channel 10, formerly "WJAR" is now "WBTS". > WJAR has been moved to formerly unused channel 17. > > > No HD version of WBTS. (WJAR was always SD-only). > > > > From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Sun Jan 1 12:53:03 2017 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:53:03 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriagec Message-ID: <82078005-0c74-c9ae-ef11-4eadc52c3f1d@Gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote, > Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV Yes, *early* this morning and previous (for Ch.10, and ?WBTSHD? for Ch.810). By 11am, however, the on-screen IDs are now just ?NBC? for Ch.10 and ?NBCHD? for Ch.810, period?no attribution to either WBTS or WNEU (which I suppose is perfectly legit, since it is received directly via fiber/cable from the headend and not OTA!). This whole RF-Ch.s 18(WMFP)/34(WNEU)/46(WBTS-LD) arrangement is ambiguous and murky, at best! Is there a reason why they picked Ch.10 for ComCast (a likely possibility being they wanted to match with WJAR?s ?NBC 10? for a smooth South Shore hand-off??) and not Ch.8? What they should have done is try and get WMTW?s blessing to use Ch.8-10, in which case they could ID OTA as ?WBTS-LD 8-10? and ComCast could then ID them as ?NBC 10?/?NBCHD? (or even ?NBC 810?). ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jan 1 11:38:37 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:38:37 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter Message-ID: Charter News The charter website still shows the old arrangement, and there has been zero official notices sent to subscribers. However: For Worcester area subscribers, channel 10, formerly "WJAR" is now "WBTS". WJAR has been moved to formerly unused channel 17. No HD version of WBTS. (WJAR was always SD-only). From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 1 13:48:16 2017 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 13:48:16 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought it was curious that, even after large ad campaigns on their own pages, neither the Globe nor the Herald had the correct listings in their TV schedules today. Both had WHDH still listed as NBC (although with the correct lineup), and neither had any listing for NBC Boston. It's the same situation for TV Guide Online, at least the way I customize it for RCN. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > I found a news article: > *http://www.millburysutton.com/news/2016-12-29/News/Changes_in_Charter_channels_begin_Jan_1.html > * > > *That claims WBTSHD will be on 787 and WHDHHD moves to 777, but this is not > the case as of an* > *hour ago.* > > *-Bob* > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Bob DeMattia > wrote: > >> Charter News >> The charter website still shows the old arrangement, and there has been >> zero official notices sent to subscribers. However: >> >> For Worcester area subscribers, channel 10, formerly "WJAR" is now "WBTS". >> WJAR has been moved to formerly unused channel 17. >> >> >> No HD version of WBTS. (WJAR was always SD-only). >> >> >> >> From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Jan 1 13:50:52 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:50:52 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. WHDH is on 787 and WBTS is on 777. Paul From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jan 1 15:18:29 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 15:18:29 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriagec In-Reply-To: <82078005-0c74-c9ae-ef11-4eadc52c3f1d@Gmail.com> References: <82078005-0c74-c9ae-ef11-4eadc52c3f1d@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <902C3F0A-38E5-42A5-AB2F-411BBE0BFC11@comcast.net> I believe they didn't choose 8/808 because 808 is where WLVI's HD channel is on most Comcast systems. They probably didn't want to deal with Ansin's complaints if they went and moved WLVI to a lesser position. Jeff Lehmann > On Jan 1, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > > Kevin Vahey wrote, > > > Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV > > Yes, *early* this morning and previous (for Ch.10, and ?WBTSHD? > for Ch.810). > By 11am, however, the on-screen IDs are now just ?NBC? for Ch.10 > and ?NBCHD? for Ch.810, period?no attribution to either WBTS or > WNEU (which I suppose is perfectly legit, since it is received > directly via fiber/cable from the headend and not OTA!). > > This whole RF-Ch.s 18(WMFP)/34(WNEU)/46(WBTS-LD) arrangement is > ambiguous and murky, at best! > Is there a reason why they picked Ch.10 for ComCast (a likely > possibility being they wanted to match with WJAR?s ?NBC 10? for a > smooth South Shore hand-off??) and not Ch.8? > What they should have done is try and get WMTW?s blessing to use > Ch.8-10, in which case they could ID OTA as ?WBTS-LD 8-10? and > ComCast could then ID them as ?NBC 10?/?NBCHD? (or even ?NBC 810?). > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > -- -- -- > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Sun Jan 1 16:24:56 2017 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 16:24:56 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston Message-ID: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I mean, it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the kind of rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's advertising...will it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle products? It will be interesting to watch. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 1 17:04:27 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:04:27 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Friend in Grafton says Charter Grafton its WBTS channel 10 standard or channel 777 HD. On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. WHDH is > on 787 and WBTS is on 777. > > Paul > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 1 17:06:17 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:06:17 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriagec In-Reply-To: <902C3F0A-38E5-42A5-AB2F-411BBE0BFC11@comcast.net> References: <82078005-0c74-c9ae-ef11-4eadc52c3f1d@Gmail.com> <902C3F0A-38E5-42A5-AB2F-411BBE0BFC11@comcast.net> Message-ID: WLVI on 8 was the problem. They chose 10 as they already controlled that slot and they moved NECN down to 840 On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I believe they didn't choose 8/808 because 808 is where WLVI's HD channel > is on most Comcast systems. They probably didn't want to deal with Ansin's > complaints if they went and moved WLVI to a lesser position. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > On Jan 1, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > wrote: > > > > Kevin Vahey wrote, > > > > > Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV > > > > Yes, *early* this morning and previous (for Ch.10, and ?WBTSHD? > > for Ch.810). > > By 11am, however, the on-screen IDs are now just ?NBC? for Ch.10 > > and ?NBCHD? for Ch.810, period?no attribution to either WBTS or > > WNEU (which I suppose is perfectly legit, since it is received > > directly via fiber/cable from the headend and not OTA!). > > > > This whole RF-Ch.s 18(WMFP)/34(WNEU)/46(WBTS-LD) arrangement is > > ambiguous and murky, at best! > > Is there a reason why they picked Ch.10 for ComCast (a likely > > possibility being they wanted to match with WJAR?s ?NBC 10? for a > > smooth South Shore hand-off??) and not Ch.8? > > What they should have done is try and get WMTW?s blessing to use > > Ch.8-10, in which case they could ID OTA as ?WBTS-LD 8-10? and > > ComCast could then ID them as ?NBC 10?/?NBCHD? (or even ?NBC 810?). > > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > > > -- -- -- > > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 1 17:20:54 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:20:54 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriagec In-Reply-To: <902C3F0A-38E5-42A5-AB2F-411BBE0BFC11@comcast.net> References: <82078005-0c74-c9ae-ef11-4eadc52c3f1d@Gmail.com> <902C3F0A-38E5-42A5-AB2F-411BBE0BFC11@comcast.net> Message-ID: And WMTW, being Hearst, would have no incentive to cooperate to make things easier for WCVB's new competitor. On Jan 1, 2017 4:07 PM, "Jeff Lehmann" wrote: > I believe they didn't choose 8/808 because 808 is where WLVI's HD channel > is on most Comcast systems. They probably didn't want to deal with Ansin's > complaints if they went and moved WLVI to a lesser position. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > On Jan 1, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > wrote: > > > > Kevin Vahey wrote, > > > > > Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV > > > > Yes, *early* this morning and previous (for Ch.10, and ?WBTSHD? > > for Ch.810). > > By 11am, however, the on-screen IDs are now just ?NBC? for Ch.10 > > and ?NBCHD? for Ch.810, period?no attribution to either WBTS or > > WNEU (which I suppose is perfectly legit, since it is received > > directly via fiber/cable from the headend and not OTA!). > > > > This whole RF-Ch.s 18(WMFP)/34(WNEU)/46(WBTS-LD) arrangement is > > ambiguous and murky, at best! > > Is there a reason why they picked Ch.10 for ComCast (a likely > > possibility being they wanted to match with WJAR?s ?NBC 10? for a > > smooth South Shore hand-off??) and not Ch.8? > > What they should have done is try and get WMTW?s blessing to use > > Ch.8-10, in which case they could ID OTA as ?WBTS-LD 8-10? and > > ComCast could then ID them as ?NBC 10?/?NBCHD? (or even ?NBC 810?). > > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > > > -- -- -- > > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 1 18:01:26 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:01:26 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> References: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well there is a lot of inventory now in the slowest ad months of the year. They will have overnight ratings to show clients and go from there. I wonder how many Nielsen homes are OTA only - if any. On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I mean, > it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the kind of > rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's advertising...will > it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle products? It will be > interesting to watch. > > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 1 17:57:30 2017 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 17:57:30 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> References: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2F2DE175-9EB2-4B8A-8BF7-FE5DA1453DBD@mac.com> > On Jan 1, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I mean, it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the kind of rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's advertising...will it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle products? It will be interesting to watch. > Advertisers are mostly interested in the cable and satellite viewers. They figure the OTA viewers are the people who are not going to make the impulse purchases that come from TV advertising. I would suspect they are offering introductory rates now and the later rates will of course be determined by what kind of ratings they get. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 1 20:36:51 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 20:36:51 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <2F2DE175-9EB2-4B8A-8BF7-FE5DA1453DBD@mac.com> References: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> <2F2DE175-9EB2-4B8A-8BF7-FE5DA1453DBD@mac.com> Message-ID: The legal ID they are running tonight does not include WNEU https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15732637_10210733917396765_6351893848487522447_o.jpg?oh=955806d3cc226825a6ca7cfe7d9bdcd8&oe=58E7E258 On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > > On Jan 1, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > > > I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I > mean, it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the > kind of rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's > advertising...will it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle > products? It will be interesting to watch. > > > > Advertisers are mostly interested in the cable and satellite viewers. > They figure the OTA viewers are the people who are not going to make the > impulse purchases that come from TV advertising. I would suspect they are > offering introductory rates now and the later rates will of course be > determined by what kind of ratings they get. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, FL > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 1 22:46:05 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 22:46:05 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> References: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <14f828c5-87d3-2545-0d9b-60ba0c57dedc@attorneyross.com> Since most viewers have cable or satellite, I would expect very little difference from WHDH ad rates. And unless WHDH's infomercials had some connection with NBC, why would there be any change. On 1/1/2017 4:24 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I mean, it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the kind of rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's advertising...will it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle products? It will be interesting to watch. > > > > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From richard@chonak.com Sun Jan 1 22:56:22 2017 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 22:56:22 -0500 Subject: getting closer to 24-hour news availability Message-ID: With recent schedule changes, here is little time in the day in which Boston television viewers are left with no news programs at their disposal over-the-air. In these conventional prime news times, viewers have seven options: some local, some network, some even foreign. 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm: 2.1 (BBC); 2.2 (DW); 4; 5; 7; 25; 60.5 6:00 pm - 6:30 pm: 2.1 (PBS); 4; 5; 7; 25; 27; 60.5 6:30 pm - 7:00 pm: 2.1 (PBS); 4 (CBS); 5 (ABC); 7; 25; 27 (UNI); 60.5 (NBC) In a few slots, there's only one choice: 10:00 am - 11:00 am: 60.5 (NBC) 12:30 pm - 1:00 pm: 7 8:00 pm - 9:00 pm: 38 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm: 7 11:30 pm - 12:00 m: 27 and 66 (both Univision) 1:00 am - 1:30 am: 25 (repeat) And these are the gaps: 11:00 am to 12:00 noon 1:00 pm to 4:00 pm 7:30 pm to 8:00 pm Oh, well, there's always radio. --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 1 14:59:47 2017 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 14:59:47 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/1/2017 1:48 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > I thought it was curious that, even after large ad campaigns on their own pages, neither the Globe nor the Herald had the correct listings in their TV schedules today. Which is ironic since the Sunday Globe print edition had a HUGE wrap-around with an ad for the new NBC Boston, plus the paper came in a bag that announced NBC Boston. Perhaps they went to press at separate times, and the print schedule was done long before the papers were wrapped for delivery. Also, on Comcast as of noon TV, the TV listings were correct on the Guide, but if you changed channels, you still got "Channel 7 NBC." From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Jan 2 00:16:13 2017 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 00:16:13 -0500 Subject: Audio issues on NBC Boston news Message-ID: <085e01d264b7$56bf8330$043e8990$@garysicecream.com> Is it just me or does the anchor and wx person audio sound very bad? Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com From richard@chonak.com Mon Jan 2 01:52:09 2017 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 01:52:09 -0500 Subject: Audio issues on NBC Boston news In-Reply-To: <085e01d264b7$56bf8330$043e8990$@garysicecream.com> References: <085e01d264b7$56bf8330$043e8990$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: It's noticeable in their on-line videos too. This forecast has have some unhelpful reverb: http://www.nbcboston.com/weather/stories/NECN-Early-Warning-Weather-Forecast-321755522.html And the same goes for this NECN piece: http://www.nbcboston.com/on-air/about-us/WEB-Does-it-Work-8am_NECN-403766356.html --RC On 01/02/2017 12:16 AM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Is it just me or does the anchor and wx person audio sound very bad? > > > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > > www.garysicecream.com > www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Mon Jan 2 12:14:44 2017 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 12:14:44 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> Same here in Worcester on Charter. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 5:04 PM To: Paul Anderson Cc: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List Subject: Re: NBC Boston on Charter Friend in Grafton says Charter Grafton its WBTS channel 10 standard or channel 777 HD. On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. > WHDH is on 787 and WBTS is on 777. > > Paul > From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 09:17:20 2017 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: NBC Boston In-Reply-To: References: <019001d26475$8059dd90$810d98b0$@comcast.net> <2F2DE175-9EB2-4B8A-8BF7-FE5DA1453DBD@mac.com> Message-ID: <1875459385.4730203.1483366640872@mail.yahoo.com> Neither did the one on their first edition?of Weekend Today...it just said "WBTS-TV BOSTON" on the bottom of the screen... On Sunday, January 1, 2017 8:40 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: The legal ID they are running tonight does not include WNEU https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15732637_10210733917396765_6351893848487522447_o.jpg?oh=955806d3cc226825a6ca7cfe7d9bdcd8&oe=58E7E258 On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > > On Jan 1, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > > > I'm wondering what kind of advertising rates NBC Boston will have. I > mean, it's on an LPTV and two secondary channels...will that command the > kind of rates WHDH could charge? And what will happen to WHDH's > advertising...will it be all infomercials and "as sold on TV" miracle > products? It will be interesting to watch. > > > > Advertisers are mostly interested in the cable and satellite viewers. > They figure the OTA viewers are the people who are not going to make the > impulse purchases that come from TV advertising.? I would suspect they are > offering introductory rates now and the later rates will of course be > determined by what kind of ratings they get. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, FL > > > > > From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 09:20:54 2017 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriage In-Reply-To: References: <1036485770.4369316.1483271578886@mail.yahoo.com> <596639599.4383159.1483271658595@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <212874993.4702331.1483366854242@mail.yahoo.com> According to the CRTC decision, that is indeed the case...under CRTC regs, that's why Canadian cablecos have the local WGN feed and not WGN America, and Peachtree TV instead of TBS. On Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:37 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: Early this morning the only ID showing on Comcast is WBTS-TV? https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna. fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15774625_ 10210726214964209_ 7443536991003744760_o.jpg?oh= 955461bd490cca5f2f07f7431a1142 23&oe=591ECB62 My understanding of the CRTC rules are the relay to the uplink must be the over the air signal - so Canada is most likely getting WBTS-LD In Massachusetts?the signal we get on Comcast is direct fiber to the headend.? On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Tim Ripley wrote: To clarify, that's 2am Eastern (3am here in the Maritimes)... On Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:52 AM, Tim Ripley wrote: Bell TV, the Canadian DTH service that carries Boston network affiliates, made the switch sometime overnight (they got approval to switch on December 20th, with major Canadian cableco Rogers backing them up). I spotted an on-screen WBTS/WNEU/WMFP ID at the start of American Ninja Warrior at 2am, so I'm guessing Bell threw the switch around that time, as the last NBC show listed for WHDH was SNL...Bell's on-screen program guide had NBC Boston programming listed from 4am on when I checked it yesterday- unfortunately, someone forgot to gave the info to the companies that supply program listings to the newspapers here in Atlantic Canada, as they're still carrying listings for WHDH at this point! On Saturday, December 31, 2016 4:24 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: It appears most Canadian cable and satellite operators will simply swap WBTS-LD for WHDH. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/ archive/2016/2016-489.htm From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 2 20:09:27 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:09:27 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> References: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <2f62293b-74cc-1f28-6d05-508dd410f9b1@attorneyross.com> I thought I read awhile ago that Charter in Worcester County was going to carry WWLP Springfield for NBC in place of NBC Boston. What changed? On 1/2/2017 12:14 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > Same here in Worcester on Charter. > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 5:04 PM > To: Paul Anderson > Cc: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List > Subject: Re: NBC Boston on Charter > > Friend in Grafton says Charter Grafton its WBTS channel 10 standard or channel 777 HD. > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Paul Anderson > wrote: > >> It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. >> WHDH is on 787 and WBTS is on 777. >> >> Paul >> > > > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jan 2 21:04:10 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:04:10 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: <2f62293b-74cc-1f28-6d05-508dd410f9b1@attorneyross.com> References: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> <2f62293b-74cc-1f28-6d05-508dd410f9b1@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Obviously Charter got a deal they could live with. On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > I thought I read awhile ago that Charter in Worcester County was going to > carry WWLP Springfield for NBC in place of NBC Boston. What changed? > > > On 1/2/2017 12:14 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > >> Same here in Worcester on Charter. >> >> -d >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest- >> bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 5:04 PM >> To: Paul Anderson >> Cc: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List > ostonradio.org> >> Subject: Re: NBC Boston on Charter >> >> Friend in Grafton says Charter Grafton its WBTS channel 10 standard or >> channel 777 HD. >> >> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Paul Anderson >> wrote: >> >> It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. >>> WHDH is on 787 and WBTS is on 777. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rjd444@gmail.com Mon Jan 2 19:46:50 2017 From: rjd444@gmail.com (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 19:46:50 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston on Charter In-Reply-To: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> References: <001c01d2651b$b6460450$22d20cf0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: Same in Northborough. Box doesn't automatically remap 10 to HD like it does for all the other channels. On Jan 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Dave Doherty" wrote: > Same here in Worcester on Charter. > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest- > bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 5:04 PM > To: Paul Anderson > Cc: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List bostonradio.org> > Subject: Re: NBC Boston on Charter > > Friend in Grafton says Charter Grafton its WBTS channel 10 standard or > channel 777 HD. > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Paul Anderson > wrote: > > > It seems Charter in West Boylston has the two stations backwards. > > WHDH is on 787 and WBTS is on 777. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 3 06:05:30 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 06:05:30 -0500 Subject: WKAF 97.7 likely to flip Message-ID: The rumor is that Entercom's WKAF 97.7 is likely to flip, probably to rhythmic oldies or Urban AC, maybe on Friday.The Twitter profiles for the new afternoon duo on WAAF, which WKAF simulcasts, only say 107.3. And now WAAF is being heard as the HD3 of WEEI FM 93.7, and the HD2 of WKAF (likely to stay there when the main signal flips). From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 3 09:21:00 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:21:00 -0500 Subject: WKAF 97.7 likely to flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They may do OK with music if they fill a niche. Greater did ok with talk on 96.9 but eventually changed to R&B. If RKO to FM what does 680 do, dollar a holler? 680 signal usually decent. True, going to FM would bring in some new listeners, but... More clues about the possible new format of WKAF 97.7 Brockton MA (R&B?) Domain names and Twitter handles registered: 977rnb, Star977Boston On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:50 AM Bob Nelson > wrote: > >> The rumor is that Entercom's WKAF 97.7 is likely to flip, probably to >> >> rhythmic oldies or Urban AC, maybe on Friday.The Twitter profiles for the >> >> new afternoon duo on WAAF, which WKAF simulcasts, only say 107.3. And now >> >> WAAF is being heard as the HD3 of WEEI FM 93.7, and the HD2 of WKAF >> (likely >> >> to stay there when the main signal flips). >> >> Might WRKO on FM be a better bet? > -- > Sent from my iPhone > From ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu Tue Jan 3 09:03:03 2017 From: ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:03:03 +0000 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the Bruins and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those teams had a local broadcast TV package. On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown wrote: > It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst all > > this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give > > Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? According to > > what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its news > > operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK > > and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region > > (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable companies, > > as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a > > cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for WHDH, > > if it could be worked out. > > -- Sent from my iPhone From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 3 10:44:39 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:44:39 -0500 Subject: WKAF 97.7 likely to flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could this be a reboot of the old WQSX, "Star 93.7", predecessor to "Mike FM"? I thought "Mike" was doing OK until it got killed off for the move of WEEI to FM. -Bob On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > They may do OK with music if they fill a niche. Greater did ok with talk on > 96.9 but eventually changed to R&B. If RKO to FM what does 680 do, dollar a > holler? 680 signal usually decent. True, going to FM would bring in some > new listeners, but... > > More clues about the possible new format of WKAF 97.7 Brockton MA (R&B?) > Domain names and Twitter handles registered: 977rnb, Star977Boston > > On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Sean Smyth wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:50 AM Bob Nelson > > wrote: > > > >> The rumor is that Entercom's WKAF 97.7 is likely to flip, probably to > >> > >> rhythmic oldies or Urban AC, maybe on Friday.The Twitter profiles for > the > >> > >> new afternoon duo on WAAF, which WKAF simulcasts, only say 107.3. And > now > >> > >> WAAF is being heard as the HD3 of WEEI FM 93.7, and the HD2 of WKAF > >> (likely > >> > >> to stay there when the main signal flips). > >> > >> Might WRKO on FM be a better bet? > > -- > > Sent from my iPhone > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 3 10:55:03 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:55:03 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?This could be CBS saying if you want to carry WBZ you have to carry 38 also, or pricing such that carrying 38 is a better option than just BZ by itself. -Bob ? On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the Bruins > and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those > teams had a local broadcast TV package. > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown wrote: > > > It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst > all > > > > this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give > > > > Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? According > to > > > > what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its > news > > > > operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK > > > > and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region > > > > (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable companies, > > > > as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a > > > > cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for > WHDH, > > > > if it could be worked out. > > > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > From ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu Tue Jan 3 08:51:25 2017 From: ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:51:25 +0000 Subject: WKAF 97.7 likely to flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:50 AM Bob Nelson wrote: > The rumor is that Entercom's WKAF 97.7 is likely to flip, probably to > > rhythmic oldies or Urban AC, maybe on Friday.The Twitter profiles for the > > new afternoon duo on WAAF, which WKAF simulcasts, only say 107.3. And now > > WAAF is being heard as the HD3 of WEEI FM 93.7, and the HD2 of WKAF (likely > > to stay there when the main signal flips). > > Might WRKO on FM be a better bet? -- Sent from my iPhone From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 3 13:17:12 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:17:12 -0500 Subject: WKAF 97.7 likely to flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe, who knows. WAAF logo now says 97.7 HD2/ 107.3. Promos running saying something new coming to 97.7, listen online or HD On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Could this be a reboot of the old WQSX, "Star 93.7", predecessor to "Mike > FM"? > > I thought "Mike" was doing OK until it got killed off for the move of WEEI > to FM. > > > > -Bob > > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Bob Nelson > wrote: > >> They may do OK with music if they fill a niche. Greater did ok with talk >> on >> 96.9 but eventually changed to R&B. If RKO to FM what does 680 do, dollar >> a >> holler? 680 signal usually decent. True, going to FM would bring in some >> new listeners, but... >> >> More clues about the possible new format of WKAF 97.7 Brockton MA (R&B?) >> Domain names and Twitter handles registered: 977rnb, Star977Boston >> >> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Sean Smyth > > wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:50 AM Bob Nelson > >> > > ');>> wrote: >> > >> >> The rumor is that Entercom's WKAF 97.7 is likely to flip, probably to >> >> >> >> rhythmic oldies or Urban AC, maybe on Friday.The Twitter profiles for >> the >> >> >> >> new afternoon duo on WAAF, which WKAF simulcasts, only say 107.3. And >> now >> >> >> >> WAAF is being heard as the HD3 of WEEI FM 93.7, and the HD2 of WKAF >> >> (likely >> >> >> >> to stay there when the main signal flips). >> >> >> >> Might WRKO on FM be a better bet? >> > -- >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 4 01:26:40 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:26:40 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <827bc822-9d8c-3da2-3caf-f3227df30333@attorneyross.com> Channel 38 was widely carried on cable systems long before it was co-owned by WBZ and long before WBZ was owned by CBS. On 1/3/2017 10:55 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > ?This could be CBS saying if you want to carry WBZ you have to carry 38 > also, > or pricing such that carrying 38 is a better option than just BZ by itself. > > -Bob > ? > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the Bruins >> and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those >> teams had a local broadcast TV package. >> >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown wrote: >> >>> It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst >> all >>> this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give >>> >>> Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? According >> to >>> what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its >> news >>> operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK >>> >>> and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region >>> >>> (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable companies, >>> >>> as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a >>> >>> cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for >> WHDH, >>> if it could be worked out. >>> >>> -- >> Sent from my iPhone >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 03:29:48 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 03:29:48 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: <827bc822-9d8c-3da2-3caf-f3227df30333@attorneyross.com> References: <827bc822-9d8c-3da2-3caf-f3227df30333@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on most systems there today. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:26 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Channel 38 was widely carried on cable systems long before it was co-owned > by WBZ and long before WBZ was owned by CBS. > > > > On 1/3/2017 10:55 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> ?This could be CBS saying if you want to carry WBZ you have to carry 38 >> also, >> or pricing such that carrying 38 is a better option than just BZ by >> itself. >> >> -Bob >> ? >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the Bruins >>> and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those >>> teams had a local broadcast TV package. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown >>> wrote: >>> >>> It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst >>>> >>> all >>> >>>> this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give >>>> >>>> Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? According >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its >>>> >>> news >>> >>>> operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK >>>> >>>> and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region >>>> >>>> (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable >>>> companies, >>>> >>>> as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a >>>> >>>> cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for >>>> >>> WHDH, >>> >>>> if it could be worked out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jan 4 07:02:54 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 07:02:54 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: <827bc822-9d8c-3da2-3caf-f3227df30333@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The point is, why are they still being carried sans the sports coverage? On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:29 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company > (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed > into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK > also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on > most systems there today. > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:26 AM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > > Channel 38 was widely carried on cable systems long before it was > co-owned > > by WBZ and long before WBZ was owned by CBS. > > > > > > > > On 1/3/2017 10:55 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > > >> ?This could be CBS saying if you want to carry WBZ you have to carry 38 > >> also, > >> or pricing such that carrying 38 is a better option than just BZ by > >> itself. > >> > >> -Bob > >> ? > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Sean Smyth > wrote: > >> > >> One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the > Bruins > >>> and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those > >>> teams had a local broadcast TV package. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst > >>>> > >>> all > >>> > >>>> this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give > >>>> > >>>> Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? > According > >>>> > >>> to > >>> > >>>> what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its > >>>> > >>> news > >>> > >>>> operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to > WSBK > >>>> > >>>> and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the > region > >>>> > >>>> (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable > >>>> companies, > >>>> > >>>> as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a > >>>> > >>>> cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for > >>>> > >>> WHDH, > >>> > >>>> if it could be worked out. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > From ehennessy@verizon.net Wed Jan 4 09:38:34 2017 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 08:38:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: WBTS and WHDH Message-ID: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> WSBK was carried before that at least in parts of New England. In 1976 they were carried into the New Haven area, along with WLVI. We got cable in February, '76 and both were available then. They were just wiring our neighborhood at the time. We got cable after our 6' antenna mast on the roof bent and the antenna crashed to the roof after ice loading. My dad, not wanting to climb up there in the snow and ice, figured the cable installation would be temporary until he could get up there and replace the antenna. He never replaced the antenna... Both stations got dropped in the late 1980s-early 1990s with syndicated exclusivity, as the blackouts became more common since, in addition to the New Haven-Hartford market stations, NYC stations were receivable and were also (at the time) "must carries." The loss of the Boston stations was not surprising, considering that at that time, WTNH and WFSB would require the cable company to feed their signals on the WABC/WCBS slots when network programming was on, but that's another story... Ed Hennessy On 01/04/17, Kevin Vahey wrote: WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on most systems there today. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 4 11:12:19 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:12:19 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: We had WSBK on our cable here in Rochester for a few years in the early 1980s. That was probably about the farthest west the microwave network carried the signal. On Jan 4, 2017 10:39 AM, "Ed Hennessy" wrote: > WSBK was carried before that at least in parts of New England. In 1976 > they were carried into the New Haven area, along with WLVI. We got cable in > February, '76 and both were available then. They were just wiring our > neighborhood at the time. We got cable after our 6' antenna mast on the > roof bent and the antenna crashed to the roof after ice loading. My dad, > not wanting to climb up there in the snow and ice, figured the cable > installation would be temporary until he could get up there and replace the > antenna. He never replaced the antenna... > > Both stations got dropped in the late 1980s-early 1990s with syndicated > exclusivity, as the blackouts became more common since, in addition to the > New Haven-Hartford market stations, NYC stations were receivable and were > also (at the time) "must carries." The loss of the Boston stations was not > surprising, considering that at that time, WTNH and WFSB would require the > cable company to feed their signals on the WABC/WCBS slots when network > programming was on, but that's another story... > > Ed Hennessy > > > > On 01/04/17, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company > (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed > into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK > also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on > most systems there today. > From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Jan 4 11:43:21 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: WSBK was at one point on the local cable system near Binghamton, NY, where my parents lived. Binghamton is a hotbed of Yankees fandom, as it used ot have a Yankees farm team (and now has a Mets farm team), but my mother was a diehard Red Sox fan and loved watching the games on WSBK. Rob On Wed, 4 Jan 2017, Ed Hennessy wrote: > WSBK was carried before that at least in parts of New England. In 1976 they were carried into the New Haven area, along with WLVI. We got cable in February, '76 and both were available then. They were just wiring our neighborhood at the time. We got cable after our 6' antenna mast on the roof bent and the antenna crashed to the roof after ice loading. My dad, not wanting to climb up there in the snow and ice, figured the cable installation would be temporary until he could get up there and replace the antenna. He never replaced the antenna... > > Both stations got dropped in the late 1980s-early 1990s with syndicated exclusivity, as the blackouts became more common since, in addition to the New Haven-Hartford market stations, NYC stations were receivable and were also (at the time) "must carries." The loss of the Boston stations was not surprising, considering that at that time, WTNH and WFSB would require the cable company to feed their signals on the WABC/WCBS slots when network programming was on, but that's another story... > > Ed Hennessy > > > > On 01/04/17, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company > (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed > into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK > also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on > most systems there today. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 13:00:10 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:00:10 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: <12660715.2648717.1483540714783.JavaMail.root@tvweb133088.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Scott - WSBK was on the old Courier Cable in Buffalo as well. When Boston Cablevision came on line in 1984 they carried WUTV Buffalo. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > We had WSBK on our cable here in Rochester for a few years in the early > 1980s. That was probably about the farthest west the microwave network > carried the signal. > > On Jan 4, 2017 10:39 AM, "Ed Hennessy" wrote: > > > WSBK was carried before that at least in parts of New England. In 1976 > > they were carried into the New Haven area, along with WLVI. We got cable > in > > February, '76 and both were available then. They were just wiring our > > neighborhood at the time. We got cable after our 6' antenna mast on the > > roof bent and the antenna crashed to the roof after ice loading. My dad, > > not wanting to climb up there in the snow and ice, figured the cable > > installation would be temporary until he could get up there and replace > the > > antenna. He never replaced the antenna... > > > > Both stations got dropped in the late 1980s-early 1990s with syndicated > > exclusivity, as the blackouts became more common since, in addition to > the > > New Haven-Hartford market stations, NYC stations were receivable and were > > also (at the time) "must carries." The loss of the Boston stations was > not > > surprising, considering that at that time, WTNH and WFSB would require > the > > cable company to feed their signals on the WABC/WCBS slots when network > > programming was on, but that's another story... > > > > Ed Hennessy > > > > > > > > On 01/04/17, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company > > (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being > beamed > > into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK > > also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on > > most systems there today. > > > From ashboy1951@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 08:30:56 2017 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: Bangor's George Hale --- still working at 85! Message-ID: George Hale, Maine's broadcasting legend, is celebrating his 85th birthday on -air this morning at Bangor's WVOM. Hale has been with WVOM and its predecessor WABI since 1953, serving most of those days in the AM drive time spot. He continues to do occasional sports commentary on WABI-TV, which is now under separate ownership. I'm quite certain he is the senior broadcaster in New England in terms of both age and tenure; it may be true nationally as well. Congratulations, George! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 11:10:25 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:10:25 -0500 Subject: Audio of WKAF flip Message-ID: http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/WKAFFlip.mp3 Audio of WKAF flip minutes ago WKAF Brockton MA Boston's #1 for R&B The New 977 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 10:52:30 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:52:30 -0500 Subject: WKAF The New 97.7 debuts at 11 am today Message-ID: Stunt now running..urban AC of of 11 am http://www.977rnb.com :This is for the real R&B lover--we are Boston's #1 for R&B and now it's on From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jan 5 11:25:53 2017 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:25:53 -0500 Subject: Audio of WKAF flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ef01d26770$6362c0a0$2a2841e0$@comcast.net> Thanks for posting. I wish them luck. I wonder if there is anything Entercom can do to extend their signal a la WBWL. I don't think so. -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:10 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Audio of WKAF flip http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/WKAFFlip.mp3 Audio of WKAF flip minutes ago WKAF Brockton MA Boston's #1 for R&B The New 977 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jan 5 13:52:16 2017 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:52:16 -0500 Subject: Audio of WKAF flip In-Reply-To: References: , <01ef01d26770$6362c0a0$2a2841e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01f001d26784$d6c53c80$844fb580$@comcast.net> Yeah, I was checking them out as I drove to Windham NH a few minutes ago. Not bad through most of Salem NH, but started dropping out soon after. Sounded like it was in mono and a little distorted, but I'm sure they'll work that out. From: pariho@mail.com [mailto:pariho@mail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 1:10 PM To: Jim Hall Cc: 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: Re: RE: Audio of WKAF flip I can pick to some extent in SE NH..... -Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 at 11:25 AM From: "Jim Hall" To: "'Boston Radio Group'" Subject: RE: Audio of WKAF flip Thanks for posting. I wish them luck. I wonder if there is anything Entercom can do to extend their signal a la WBWL. I don't think so. -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:10 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Audio of WKAF flip http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/WKAFFlip.mp3 Audio of WKAF flip minutes ago WKAF Brockton MA Boston's #1 for R&B The New 977 From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 5 13:12:31 2017 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 13:12:31 -0500 Subject: Audio of WKAF flip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2533E729-E9E8-4679-8938-921630135F08@mac.com> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/WKAFFlip.mp3 Audio of WKAF flip > minutes ago WKAF Brockton MA Boston's #1 for R&B The New 977 How is it #1 the moment it comes on? (Rhetorical question , I don?t really expect an answer!) Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 4 01:01:50 2017 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:01:50 -0500 Subject: Arnie Ginsburg's original theme song Message-ID: <79e85d71-a4b5-f4ab-95b0-e6f4c3f99d61@donnahalper.com> I was able to find a copy of Arnie Ginsburg's original theme song for the Night Train show, from back in his WBOS days in the mid-1950s. The version he used after he went to WMEX just spliced out the mention of his former station, but the theme song was never re-recorded; I am told Mac Richmond wouldn't spring for the money to re-do the song. Anyway, for those who grew up listening to Arnie, this may bring back a few memories. My thanks to Jordan Rich and Kevin Vahey, without whom, I could not have posted it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBikeDG033w&feature=share From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 13:56:53 2017 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: WBTS and WHDH In-Reply-To: References: <827bc822-9d8c-3da2-3caf-f3227df30333@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1280147228.6219258.1483556213117@mail.yahoo.com> There's a long tradition of Atlantic Canadian fans of Boston teams, mainly the Bruins and Sox, and to a lesser extent Pats... On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:33 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: WSBK became a mini-superstation in 1978 when a Syracuse based company (Eastern Microwave) started to relay the signal. Red Sox games being beamed into Manhattan was a major selling point for the then Paragon Cable. WSBK also got picked up in Canada because of hockey and is still available on most systems there today. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:26 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Channel 38 was widely carried on cable systems long before it was co-owned > by WBZ and long before WBZ was owned by CBS. > > > > On 1/3/2017 10:55 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> ?This could be CBS saying if you want to carry WBZ you have to carry 38 >> also, >> or pricing such that carrying 38 is a better option than just BZ by >> itself. >> >> -Bob >> ? >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> One of the main reasons Channel 38 became so widely carried was the Bruins >>> and Red Sox, and later the Celtics. It's been years since any of those >>> teams had a local broadcast TV package. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Doug Drown >>> wrote: >>> >>> It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst >>>> >>> all >>> >>>> this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss.? What if WHDH were to give >>>> >>>> Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston?? According >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its >>>> >>> news >>> >>>> operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK >>>> >>>> and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region >>>> >>>> (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable >>>> companies, >>>> >>>> as well as via satellite?? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a >>>> >>>> cable-only operation.? I think this could be a great opportunity for >>>> >>> WHDH, >>> >>>> if it could be worked out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From lsochrin@rcn.com Thu Jan 5 17:26:00 2017 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 17:26:00 -0500 Subject: WSBK Message-ID: Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. From dave@skywaves.net Thu Jan 5 19:38:18 2017 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:38:18 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: WSBK Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jan 5 20:31:34 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:31:34 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. Paul > On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > > Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: WSBK > > Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? > > As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 5 21:16:10 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> Message-ID: Charter in Northborough is now remapping ch. 10 to HD, as it does for all other SD channels. I guess it took them a couple extra days to figure it out. The HD channel looks fine here. (Well, as good as HD ever looks on cable anyways). -Bob On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is > still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC > programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 > News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the > program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. > > The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. > > Paul > > > > On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > > > > Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on > channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major > pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. > > > > -d > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest- > bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > Subject: WSBK > > > > Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a > question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline > Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs > occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out > why that is but perhaps some of you might know? > > > > As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program > guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD > to WMFP-DT5. > > > > > > > > > > > From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jan 5 21:48:25 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 21:48:25 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> Message-ID: <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Charter in Northborough is now remapping ch. 10 to HD, as it does for all other SD channels. > I guess it took them a couple extra days to figure it out. > > The HD channel looks fine here. (Well, as good as HD ever looks on cable anyways). Do you mean WBTS is in SD on channel 10? That?s the way it is here in West Boylston. Speaking of over-the-air vs. cable, I connected an antenna to my TV and was pleased to receive 29 channels! The HD channels look great, but couldn?t tell much difference between over-the-air and cable pictures. Maybe it would be more obvious watching a ball game, with a lot of action on the screen. I get these channels: 2.1, 2.2 4.1, 4.2 5.1, 5.2 7.1, 7.2 25.1, 25.2 27.1, 27.2 38.1, 38.2 44.1, 44.3, 44.4 48.1 56.1, 56.2 60.5 62.1, 62.3, 62.4 66.1, 66.2, 66.3, 66.4 I am a little surprised I don?t get 60 from Merrimack, but quite surprised I don?t get 68. Paul From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 5 22:02:45 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:02:45 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> Message-ID: Correct, NBC is in SD on 10, HD on 777. However, both my boxes (different models) have a option in the menus to remap SD to HD . By default it is turned off. When you turn the feature on, the box will still display the SD channel number, but you will see the HD identifier below it. 60's transmitter is 80kW and highly directional - and not in your favor if you live South West of it: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwneu 68's transmitter is 300kW, but again the directional pattern does not do well to the west With my ChannelMaster4228HD and 22dB preamp, I'm able to receive it here. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwbpx On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > > Charter in Northborough is now remapping ch. 10 to HD, as it does for > all other SD channels. > > I guess it took them a couple extra days to figure it out. > > > > The HD channel looks fine here. (Well, as good as HD ever looks on > cable anyways). > > Do you mean WBTS is in SD on channel 10? That?s the way it is here in > West Boylston. > > Speaking of over-the-air vs. cable, I connected an antenna to my TV and > was pleased to receive 29 channels! The HD channels look great, but > couldn?t tell much difference between over-the-air and cable pictures. > Maybe it would be more obvious watching a ball game, with a lot of action > on the screen. > > I get these channels: > > 2.1, 2.2 > 4.1, 4.2 > 5.1, 5.2 > 7.1, 7.2 > 25.1, 25.2 > 27.1, 27.2 > 38.1, 38.2 > 44.1, 44.3, 44.4 > 48.1 > 56.1, 56.2 > 60.5 > 62.1, 62.3, 62.4 > 66.1, 66.2, 66.3, 66.4 > > I am a little surprised I don?t get 60 from Merrimack, but quite surprised > I don?t get 68. > > Paul > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 22:48:48 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:48:48 -0500 Subject: Arnie Ginsburg's original theme song In-Reply-To: <79e85d71-a4b5-f4ab-95b0-e6f4c3f99d61@donnahalper.com> References: <79e85d71-a4b5-f4ab-95b0-e6f4c3f99d61@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <588be168-1889-d4d7-b7b5-29a3a582e7cd@attorneyross.com> Wow, thanks Donna! I don't think I've ever heard the full version before. I've been mainly familiar with the version in "Cruisin' 1961," which is edited even more. On 1/4/2017 1:01 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > I was able to find a copy of Arnie Ginsburg's original theme song for > the Night Train show, from back in his WBOS days in the mid-1950s. The > version he used after he went to WMEX just spliced out the mention of > his former station, but the theme song was never re-recorded; I am > told Mac Richmond wouldn't spring for the money to re-do the song. > Anyway, for those who grew up listening to Arnie, this may bring back > a few memories. My thanks to Jordan Rich and Kevin Vahey, without > whom, I could not have posted it. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBikeDG033w&feature=share > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jan 5 22:13:26 2017 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 22:13:26 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> Message-ID: <0FC8A8DF-E91E-4DE6-8061-05509829F1F6@mac.com> The Globe still isn't printing NBC Boston in their TV schedule. The Herald started today, but they have thrown in the towel on channel numbers and call letters. Now their listings are for CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. WSBK is called MNT which is not the way anyone thinks of them or their network. But the local news blocks reference the Boston stations. Most of this makes sense, as trying to list "8.1, 60.1, 60.5, cable 10, HD 810" for NBC would be less than helpful to most readers who still scour the paper for nightly listings. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. > > The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. > > Paul > > >> On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: >> >> Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. >> >> -d >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Subject: WSBK >> >> Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? >> >> As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. >> >> >> >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 5 22:43:14 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:43:14 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bd80f55-beed-98d0-7b6b-e70e92765a70@attorneyross.com> My friend who lives on Beacon Street near Washington Square says the same thing about WSBK. It's the one station that always goes down and needs antenna adjustment, repeatedly. Since most or all of the signals come from the same general area, why is this one station such a problem? On 1/5/2017 5:26 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? > > As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 6 01:41:43 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:41:43 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <0FC8A8DF-E91E-4DE6-8061-05509829F1F6@mac.com> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <0FC8A8DF-E91E-4DE6-8061-05509829F1F6@mac.com> Message-ID: <738ad1c1-e9fd-7bf1-6737-ef4fd96fd1aa@attorneyross.com> What's MNT? On 1/5/2017 10:13 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > The Globe still isn't printing NBC Boston in their TV schedule. The Herald started today, but they have thrown in the towel on channel numbers and call letters. Now their listings are for CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. WSBK is called MNT which is not the way anyone thinks of them or their network. But the local news blocks reference the Boston stations. > > Most of this makes sense, as trying to list "8.1, 60.1, 60.5, cable 10, HD 810" for NBC would be less than helpful to most readers who still scour the paper for nightly listings. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: >> >> And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. >> >> The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. >> >> Paul >> >> >>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: >>> >>> Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. >>> >>> -d >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin >>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM >>> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >>> Subject: WSBK >>> >>> Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? >>> >>> As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jan 6 01:59:53 2017 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:59:53 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <738ad1c1-e9fd-7bf1-6737-ef4fd96fd1aa@attorneyross.com> References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <0FC8A8DF-E91E-4DE6-8061-05509829F1F6@mac.com> <738ad1c1-e9fd-7bf1-6737-ef4fd96fd1aa@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: MNT is ?My Network TV?, which provides the prime-time programming on WSBK. According to Wikipedia, it?s actually a syndication service rather than a real network. And on WSBK, they identify themselves as ?My TV38.? I?ve never heard anybody call it MNT until today. > On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:41 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > What's MNT? > > On 1/5/2017 10:13 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: >> The Globe still isn't printing NBC Boston in their TV schedule. The Herald started today, but they have thrown in the towel on channel numbers and call letters. Now their listings are for CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. WSBK is called MNT which is not the way anyone thinks of them or their network. But the local news blocks reference the Boston stations. >> >> Most of this makes sense, as trying to list "8.1, 60.1, 60.5, cable 10, HD 810" for NBC would be less than helpful to most readers who still scour the paper for nightly listings. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: >>> >>> And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. >>> >>> The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: >>>> >>>> Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. >>>> >>>> -d >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sochrin >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM >>>> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >>>> Subject: WSBK >>>> >>>> Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out why that is but perhaps some of you might know? >>>> >>>> As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jan 6 11:09:43 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:09:43 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <0FC8A8DF-E91E-4DE6-8061-05509829F1F6@mac.com> <738ad1c1-e9fd-7bf1-6737-ef4fd96fd1aa@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On my Comcast cable WSBK is "TV38" while the SD of NBCBoston simply says "NBC". (On the bottom of screen indicator of station and program) On Friday, January 6, 2017, Mark Laurence wrote: > MNT is ?My Network TV?, which provides the prime-time programming on WSBK. > According to Wikipedia, it?s actually a syndication service rather than a > real network. And on WSBK, they identify themselves as ?My TV38.? I?ve > never heard anybody call it MNT until today. > > > > On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:41 AM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > > > What's MNT? > > > > On 1/5/2017 10:13 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > >> The Globe still isn't printing NBC Boston in their TV schedule. The > Herald started today, but they have thrown in the towel on channel numbers > and call letters. Now their listings are for CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. WSBK is > called MNT which is not the way anyone thinks of them or their network. > But the local news blocks reference the Boston stations. > >> > >> Most of this makes sense, as trying to list "8.1, 60.1, 60.5, cable 10, > HD 810" for NBC would be less than helpful to most readers who still scour > the paper for nightly listings. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Paul Anderson > wrote: > >>> > >>> And also in the Worcester area, Charter?s program guide on my TiVo is > still backwards. Not difficult to turn to 777 for WBTS for live NBC > programs, but to record them I had to, for example, I have to record ?7 > News? on Wednesday at 9:00 to record ?Law and Order SVU" because the > program and channel number still has WBTS on 787 and WHDH on 777. > >>> > >>> The regular cable box shows the channel and show name correctly. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dave Doherty > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Out here in Worcester tonight, the Charter feed for NBC Boston on > channel 777 (however they are getting it) absolutely sucks. Major > pixellation and long audio dropouts. NBC News was unwatchable. > >>>> > >>>> -d > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org ] On > Behalf Of Larry Sochrin > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:26 PM > >>>> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > >>>> Subject: WSBK > >>>> > >>>> Since several of you wrote about WSBK recently, I thought I?d ask a > question. I get over-the-air internal antenna broadcasts in Brookline > Village, around route 9. The only station that is really touchy, and needs > occasional antenna repositioning, is WSBK. I?ve never quite figured out > why that is but perhaps some of you might know? > >>>> > >>>> As an aside, NBC Boston channel 60.5 started filling my TIVO?s > program guide as of yesterday, when it changed from being listed by TiVo as > WBTS-LD to WMFP-DT5. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > From paulranderson@charter.net Fri Jan 6 22:15:50 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:15:50 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:11 AM, pariho@mail.com wrote: > No 25.3 (Laff TV)? I guess I forgot to put that on the list. Yes, I get 25.3. > No Providence (10 or 12 anyway)? Nothing from Providence. My antenna is a Mohu 50-mile job but it?s mounted inside on an exterior wall facing east-northeast. Concerning newspaper TV listings, what a mess! The Worcester Telegram & Gazette daily paper shows WJAR as ?17? and out-of-order, listing it in its old spot before WPRI channel 12. Granted that?s their cable position for their SD signal, but? And who really watches the SD channel of any station these days? Don?t most people have HD TVs? I saw no NBC Boston listings in either the MetroWest Daily News, the Boston Globe or the Boston Herald on Tuesday, but as reported here, the Herald seems to have caught up. The papers would be better off using call letters with a guide showing cable positions. But I suppose there?s not room in the daily paper for that. Paul From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jan 6 23:12:41 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:12:41 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> Message-ID: On Charter Worcester, WJAR is only available SD. Same thing for WGGB. -Bob On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:11 AM, pariho@mail.com wrote: > > > No 25.3 (Laff TV)? > > I guess I forgot to put that on the list. Yes, I get 25.3. > > > No Providence (10 or 12 anyway)? > > Nothing from Providence. My antenna is a Mohu 50-mile job but it?s > mounted inside on an exterior wall facing east-northeast. > > Concerning newspaper TV listings, what a mess! The Worcester Telegram & > Gazette daily paper shows WJAR as ?17? and out-of-order, listing it in its > old spot before WPRI channel 12. Granted that?s their cable position for > their SD signal, but? And who really watches the SD channel of any station > these days? Don?t most people have HD TVs? > > I saw no NBC Boston listings in either the MetroWest Daily News, the > Boston Globe or the Boston Herald on Tuesday, but as reported here, the > Herald seems to have caught up. > > The papers would be better off using call letters with a guide showing > cable positions. But I suppose there?s not room in the daily paper for > that. > > Paul From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 7 07:07:02 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:07:02 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> Message-ID: I think at one point things like the Globe's TV magazine had a page with a chart showing cable TV channel positions in various locations. I haven't bought TVGuide in years but at one point they had a whole bunch of channels to list and in some cases they had to use different symbols;if they somehow listed both the channel 6s in Portland and New Bedford, one would be a white 6 in a black TV shaped background while the other was a black 6 in a white background. Or was that a local newspaper doing that. It's a bunch of confusion with the likes of channel numbers, virtual ones, or cable ones.Ch 50 in NH is probably on another channel number really and I think they actually use the number 18 because that's where they are on many cable systems. I think Ch 22 in Burlington VT area would say, "Channel 22, Cable 4". NBCBoston is saying "Ch 10 on most providers" but there are various channel locations between Ch 8 WBTS, Ch 60 in NH for those over the air, and a subchannel of WMFP 62..and yet we hear they're on 60.5 not 62.5..? On Friday, January 6, 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > On Charter Worcester, WJAR is only available SD. Same thing for WGGB. > > -Bob > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Paul Anderson > > wrote: > > > On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:11 AM, pariho@mail.com wrote: > > > > > No 25.3 (Laff TV)? > > > > I guess I forgot to put that on the list. Yes, I get 25.3. > > > > > No Providence (10 or 12 anyway)? > > > > Nothing from Providence. My antenna is a Mohu 50-mile job but it?s > > mounted inside on an exterior wall facing east-northeast. > > > > Concerning newspaper TV listings, what a mess! The Worcester Telegram & > > Gazette daily paper shows WJAR as ?17? and out-of-order, listing it in > its > > old spot before WPRI channel 12. Granted that?s their cable position for > > their SD signal, but? And who really watches the SD channel of any > station > > these days? Don?t most people have HD TVs? > > > > I saw no NBC Boston listings in either the MetroWest Daily News, the > > Boston Globe or the Boston Herald on Tuesday, but as reported here, the > > Herald seems to have caught up. > > > > The papers would be better off using call letters with a guide showing > > cable positions. But I suppose there?s not room in the daily paper for > > that. > > > > Paul > From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:33:05 2017 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:33:05 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WSBK Message-ID: <6a7e9080-30cd-325c-816b-6d1c58068382@Gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote, > It's a bunch of confusion with the likes of channel numbers, > virtual ones, or cable ones. > NBCBoston is saying "Ch 10 on most providers" but there are > various channel locations between Ch 8 WBTS, Ch 60 in NH for > those over the air, and a subchannel of WMFP 62..and yet we > hear they're on 60.5 not 62.5..? Ahhh, the joys of remapping! P=) Yes, ?NBCBoston? is sent to WMFP?s RF-Ch.18.5 and remapped to Vir-Ch.60.5, not 62.5?unlike most stations that offset the remapping (e.g., Vir-Ch.##.1 = RF-Ch.##.3), WMFP remaps RF-Ch.##.N to Vir-Ch.##.N?at WMFP:62?s xmtr in Newton, not WNEU:60?s (RF-Ch.34) xmtr up in NH. Upon further observation and reflection since my last post, given that some to most secondary stations screen ID?not the legal, TOH ID, but the PSIP Ch. ID?as the network, not the CALLs (e.g., ?Ch.7-2, This-TV?), forget any pretext about promoting WBTS-LD or WNEU....Except for the primary station (if FCC required), just use the host?s virtual channel number and ?NBC? or ?NBCBos?: ?Ch.8-1, NBCBos? (or ?Ch.8-1, WBTS-LD?), ?Ch.60-2, NBCBos? and ?Ch.62-5, NBCBos?. At least until the dust settles with the auctions, quiet period and channel reassignments and NBC decides what it wants to own here in the long term. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 7 23:35:41 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:35:41 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <006101d267b5$2cb6e190$8624a4b0$@skywaves.net> <82F1B5C0-597D-4DC7-A09C-BFD60386E213@charter.net> <247282DB-00BD-4215-A493-EA4C55ED015F@charter.net> Message-ID: <4a0edebd-8b92-9f9e-6cbb-49da01be3ce7@attorneyross.com> TV Guide did that starting in the 1950s. The default was the black TV-screen-shaped icon, with a white channel number. If there was another station on the same channel within the coverage area of that particular edition, there would be a white icon with a thin black border and a black channel number. I first saw this when I lived in the Albany, NY area in 1953-57, where WRGB had the black "6" icon and some other channel 6 somewhere had the white icon. On 1/7/2017 7:07 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I think at one point things like the Globe's TV magazine had a page with a > chart showing cable TV channel positions in various locations. > I haven't bought TVGuide in years but at one point they had a whole bunch > of channels to list and in some cases they had to use different symbols;if > they somehow listed both the channel 6s in Portland and New Bedford, one > would be a white 6 in a black TV shaped background while the other was a > black 6 in a white background. Or was that a local newspaper doing that. > > It's a bunch of confusion with the likes of channel numbers, virtual ones, > or cable ones.Ch 50 in NH is probably on another channel number really and > I think they actually use the number 18 because that's where they are on > many cable systems. I think Ch 22 in Burlington VT area would say, "Channel > 22, Cable 4". NBCBoston is saying "Ch 10 on most providers" but there are > various channel locations between Ch 8 WBTS, Ch 60 in NH for those over the > air, and a subchannel of WMFP 62..and yet we hear they're on 60.5 not > 62.5..? > > > > > > On Friday, January 6, 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> On Charter Worcester, WJAR is only available SD. Same thing for WGGB. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Paul Anderson > > >> wrote: >> >>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:11 AM, pariho@mail.com wrote: >>> >>>> No 25.3 (Laff TV)? >>> I guess I forgot to put that on the list. Yes, I get 25.3. >>> >>>> No Providence (10 or 12 anyway)? >>> Nothing from Providence. My antenna is a Mohu 50-mile job but it?s >>> mounted inside on an exterior wall facing east-northeast. >>> >>> Concerning newspaper TV listings, what a mess! The Worcester Telegram & >>> Gazette daily paper shows WJAR as ?17? and out-of-order, listing it in >> its >>> old spot before WPRI channel 12. Granted that?s their cable position for >>> their SD signal, but? And who really watches the SD channel of any >> station >>> these days? Don?t most people have HD TVs? >>> >>> I saw no NBC Boston listings in either the MetroWest Daily News, the >>> Boston Globe or the Boston Herald on Tuesday, but as reported here, the >>> Herald seems to have caught up. >>> >>> The papers would be better off using call letters with a guide showing >>> cable positions. But I suppose there?s not room in the daily paper for >>> that. >>> >>> Paul -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From lsochrin@rcn.com Sun Jan 8 14:51:18 2017 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:51:18 -0500 Subject: WSBK Message-ID: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> In the meantime, the TIVO program guide currently shows the peacock logo with the word NBC as the identifier for 7.1, and shows WMFPDT5 as the identifier for 60.5. But since they?ve got the program times and names right, and programs now record correctly, I?ll not point that out to them. ? > Yes, ?NBCBoston? is sent to WMFP?s RF-Ch.18.5 and remapped to Vir-Ch.60.5, not 62.5?unlike most stations that offset the remapping (e.g., Vir-Ch.##.1 = RF-Ch.##.3), WMFP remaps RF-Ch.##.N to Vir-Ch.##.N?at WMFP:62?s xmtr in Newton, not WNEU:60?s (RF-Ch.34) xmtr up in NH. > Upon further observation and reflection since my last post, given that some to most secondary stations screen ID?not the legal, TOH ID, but the PSIP Ch. ID?as the network, not the CALLs (e.g., ?Ch.7-2, This-TV?), forget any pretext about promoting WBTS-LD or WNEU....Except for the primary station (if FCC required), just use the host?s virtual channel number and ?NBC? or ?NBCBos?: ?Ch.8-1, NBCBos? (or ?Ch.8-1, WBTS-LD?), ?Ch.60-2, NBCBos? and ?Ch.62-5, NBCBos?. > At least until the dust settles with the auctions, quiet period and channel reassignments and NBC decides what it wants to own here in the long term. From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Jan 8 19:29:26 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:29:26 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> References: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > In the meantime, the TIVO program guide currently shows the peacock logo with the word NBC as the identifier for 7.1, and shows WMFPDT5 as the identifier for 60.5. But since they?ve got the program times and names right, and programs now record correctly, I?ll not point that out to them. Yes, they finally got it right! They?ll figure out the NBC logo eventually. Interesting that the TiVo on-screen guide shows channel 15 as WSBE (but with no picture) and 17 as WPRI (showing WJAR). Neither WSBE nor WPRI are on the West Boylston system. On the Charter cable box, channel 15 is WGGB and 17 is WJAR. Everyone had many months to figure this out. Newspapers and cable companies. Why have there been so many problems? Paul From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 9 21:11:56 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:11:56 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> References: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> Message-ID: <22644.17132.375565.872242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In the meantime, the TIVO program guide currently shows the peacock > logo with the word NBC as the identifier for 7.1, and shows WMFPDT5 > as the identifier for 60.5. But since they?ve got the program times > and names right, and programs now record correctly, I?ll not point > that out to them. TiVo now identifies Comcast chanel 810 as "WBTS-LD", although I doubt that's too meaningful to the average consumer, and has the NBC schedule on it. Last year, as a part of their merger with $I_FORGET, TiVo switched EPG data providers. They had been using Tribune (hmmm, is this Tronc now?) but the new provider is part of the same corporate ownership as TiVo is now -- however, their data is significantly lower in quality. I'm not surprised it took them a week to change: probably didn't bother to do anything until they started receiving complaints from paying customers. -GAWollman From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Jan 9 22:58:07 2017 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 22:58:07 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <22644.17132.375565.872242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> <22644.17132.375565.872242@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1E0C1744-6104-4CE9-B56F-57D56098BF87@mac.com> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Last year, as a part of their merger with $I_FORGET, TiVo switched EPG > data providers. They had been using Tribune (hmmm, is this Tronc > now?) but the new provider is part of the same corporate ownership as > TiVo is now -- however, their data is significantly lower in quality. > I'm not surprised it took them a week to change... My TiVo had the correct programming information for NBC Boston HD on day one, except for the logo as it's still putting the peacock on channel 7. I own a TiVo Roamio with an RCN cable card. They were mixed up on the SD channel but I can't blame TiVo for that. RCN initially decided to put WBTS-LD (SD) on channel 8 but at the last minute switched it to channel 10. I haven't noticed any problems with data. Sometimes I'm amazed that it picks up an actor on my wish list who has a tiny role in a movie, which it records. From rich@richchadwick.com Tue Jan 10 12:47:28 2017 From: rich@richchadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:47:28 -0500 Subject: WSBK Message-ID: <8403C339-E019-4C96-B624-51AB12577B6D@richchadwick.com> TiVo always had the best guide with the deepest details. X1 Noe seems to have added a db of famous movie quotes to search on. > On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:58 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > > >> On Jan 9, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> >> Last year, as a part of their merger with $I_FORGET, TiVo switched EPG >> data providers. They had been using Tribune (hmmm, is this Tronc >> now?) but the new provider is part of the same corporate ownership as >> TiVo is now -- however, their data is significantly lower in quality. >> I'm not surprised it took them a week to change... > > My TiVo had the correct programming information for NBC Boston HD on day one, except for the logo as it's still putting the peacock on channel 7. I own a TiVo Roamio with an RCN cable card. They were mixed up on the SD channel but I can't blame TiVo for that. RCN initially decided to put WBTS-LD (SD) on channel 8 but at the last minute switched it to channel 10. > > I haven't noticed any problems with data. Sometimes I'm amazed that it picks up an actor on my wish list who has a tiny role in a movie, which it records. > From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 10 20:41:17 2017 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:41:17 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> Message-ID: <49D877D1-2500-4750-A8B9-59DD45A10036@charter.net> In hopefully my last message detailing the minutia of the NBC Boston change, the Worcester Telegram & Gazette has changed their daily listings to show WBTS as ?8 NBC? instead of 10, and WJAR as ?10 NBC? instead of 17. That makes a lot more sense, to use the over-the-air channels, even though people in the Worcester area are watching over-the-air on 60.5, not 8.1. Paul > On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > >> In the meantime, the TIVO program guide currently shows the peacock logo with the word NBC as the identifier for 7.1, and shows WMFPDT5 as the identifier for 60.5. But since they?ve got the program times and names right, and programs now record correctly, I?ll not point that out to them. > > Yes, they finally got it right! They?ll figure out the NBC logo eventually. > > Interesting that the TiVo on-screen guide shows channel 15 as WSBE (but with no picture) and 17 as WPRI (showing WJAR). Neither WSBE nor WPRI are on the West Boylston system. On the Charter cable box, channel 15 is WGGB and 17 is WJAR. > > Everyone had many months to figure this out. Newspapers and cable companies. Why have there been so many problems? > > Paul From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 10 22:02:18 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:02:18 -0500 Subject: WSBK In-Reply-To: <49D877D1-2500-4750-A8B9-59DD45A10036@charter.net> References: <42E9C2FE-4803-44E6-89F4-DB7305020471@rcn.com> <49D877D1-2500-4750-A8B9-59DD45A10036@charter.net> Message-ID: To recap, "NBC Boston"'s closest O&O transmitter is a low power on RF46, virtual 8.1. It has a full power transmitter, albeit direction, outside of Manchester, NH on RF34 virtual 60.2. It's most useful signal comes out of a station owned by somebody else on RF32 mostly virtual 62, but on this transmitter NBC's content is PSIP'd at virtual 60.5. Most cable stations carry them on channel 10 - not to be confused with NBC10, which is a station in an adjacent market NOT owned by NBC (although it used to be). Simple. Got it. -Bob On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > In hopefully my last message detailing the minutia of the NBC Boston > change, the Worcester Telegram & Gazette has changed their daily listings > to show WBTS as ?8 NBC? instead of 10, and WJAR as ?10 NBC? instead of 17. > That makes a lot more sense, to use the over-the-air channels, even though > people in the Worcester area are watching over-the-air on 60.5, not 8.1. > > Paul > > > > On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Paul Anderson > wrote: > > > > On Jan 8, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > > > >> In the meantime, the TIVO program guide currently shows the peacock > logo with the word NBC as the identifier for 7.1, and shows WMFPDT5 as the > identifier for 60.5. But since they?ve got the program times and names > right, and programs now record correctly, I?ll not point that out to them. > > > > Yes, they finally got it right! They?ll figure out the NBC logo > eventually. > > > > Interesting that the TiVo on-screen guide shows channel 15 as WSBE (but > with no picture) and 17 as WPRI (showing WJAR). Neither WSBE nor WPRI are > on the West Boylston system. On the Charter cable box, channel 15 is WGGB > and 17 is WJAR. > > > > Everyone had many months to figure this out. Newspapers and cable > companies. Why have there been so many problems? > > > > Paul > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 03:41:03 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 03:41:03 -0500 Subject: WBTS cable coverage - was : WSBK Message-ID: Bell Fiber ( not Bell Satellite ) has apparently dropped WPTZ in Quebec and WGRZ in Ontario in favor of WBTS. Friends in Montreal confirm that Videotron cable is still carrying WPTZ but Bell Fiber is now airing NBC Boston. WBTS is also showing up in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Wed Jan 11 10:57:06 2017 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:57:06 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WSBK Message-ID: Bob DeMattia wrote, > To recap, "NBC Boston"'s closest O&O transmitter is a low > power on RF46, virtual 8.1. > It has a full power transmitter, albeit direction, outside of > Manchester, NH on RF34 virtual 60.2. > It's most useful signal comes out of a station owned by > somebody else on RF32 mostly virtual 62, but on this > transmitter NBC's content is PSIP'd at virtual 60.5. Bzzzz. Close, but no cigar. Vir-Ch.60.5 = WMFP:62?s RF-Ch.18.5: RF-Ch.32 = WBPX:68, *was* analog W32AY ? WTMU-LP ? RF-Ch.46 (analog) ? (digital) WBTS-LD as Vir-Ch.8! The whole fiasco is chronicled in Wikipedia?s WBTS article: https://En.Wikipedia.org/wiki/WBTS-LD ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:45:37 2017 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:45:37 +0000 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio Message-ID: I was somewhat surprised to see no mention of this, on the first day of implementation; perhaps because it's been in the works for several years now. However, I did load a (rather light) interview that Marco Werman (PRI's The World) did with Ole Torvmark, the CEO of Digitalradio Norway. https://soundcloud.com/seenthat/dab What is the future of FM here in the states? Same road as OTA television? What would the timeline be? Mike From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jan 11 22:12:42 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:12:42 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What is the future of FM here in the states? There is nothing coming down the pike, regulatory-wise, to replace it. The band will keep on getting packed with more and more stations (and more and more unlikely directional patterns) to get the maximum analog coverage until it becomes uneconomical. If it's not gone completely by mid-century, it will have happened only because that spectrum just isn't that valuable for any of the possible competing uses. In countries that have successfully transitioned radio to digital, a few factors apply: 1) Stations licensed on a national basis with a universal-service obligation. 2) A small number of broadcasters dominating the media landscape, including state-owned broadcasters. 3) A sufficient amount of favorable spectrum available to allow a out-of-band digital service. 4) A regulatory policy that favors signal parity over competitive advantage between broadcasters serving a particular area. 5) A regulatory policy that separates transmitter ownership and operation from programming. Canada tried to implement Eureka 147 a decade and a half ago, with little success: none of these factors weighed in favor. They were closest on (4) and (5) but Canadian regulation is much more about preserving the economics of incumbent broadcasters, with whatever signal constraints they may have, rather than equality, and while they do have separate licensing bodies for transmitters (Industry Canada) and programming (the CRTC), the two licenses have to be held by the same operator. In the UK, where all of those factors do pertain, the DAB implementation went much better -- although unlike Norway they haven't yet killed off analog broadcasting entirely. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 12 01:07:51 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:07:51 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <22647.7479.721198.94534@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Was Hybrid Digital some sort of attempt to fend off DAB here in the states? No, because it wasn't really going anywhere without the support of the commercial broadcasting sector, who were in the process of spending insane sums of money predicated on signal inequality. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 12 01:37:28 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:37:28 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Meanwhile Industry Canada is slowly approving HD FM transmitters in Canada. > Of course the lack of consumer HD receivers available will doom the format > from catching on as has happened in the US. What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 00:38:20 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 00:38:20 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Meanwhile Industry Canada is slowly approving HD FM transmitters in Canada. Of course the lack of consumer HD receivers available will doom the format from catching on as has happened in the US. http://blog.fagstein.com/2017/01/07/cite-fm-hd-radio/ On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < wilkinsmg@hotmail.com> said: > > > What is the future of FM here in the states? > > There is nothing coming down the pike, regulatory-wise, to replace > it. The band will keep on getting packed with more and more stations > (and more and more unlikely directional patterns) to get the maximum > analog coverage until it becomes uneconomical. > > If it's not gone completely by mid-century, it will have happened only > because that spectrum just isn't that valuable for any of the possible > competing uses. > > In countries that have successfully transitioned radio to digital, a > few factors apply: > > 1) Stations licensed on a national basis with a universal-service > obligation. > > 2) A small number of broadcasters dominating the media landscape, > including state-owned broadcasters. > > 3) A sufficient amount of favorable spectrum available to allow a > out-of-band digital service. > > 4) A regulatory policy that favors signal parity over competitive > advantage between broadcasters serving a particular area. > > 5) A regulatory policy that separates transmitter ownership and > operation from programming. > > Canada tried to implement Eureka 147 a decade and a half ago, with > little success: none of these factors weighed in favor. They were > closest on (4) and (5) but Canadian regulation is much more about > preserving the economics of incumbent broadcasters, with whatever > signal constraints they may have, rather than equality, and while they > do have separate licensing bodies for transmitters (Industry Canada) > and programming (the CRTC), the two licenses have to be held by the > same operator. > > In the UK, where all of those factors do pertain, the DAB > implementation went much better -- although unlike Norway they haven't > yet killed off analog broadcasting entirely. > > -GAWollman > > From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 11 22:30:08 2017 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:30:08 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Are Norway, the UK, and others on DAB+? Was Hybrid Digital some sort of attempt to fend off DAB here in the states? Bill O'Neill > On Jan 11, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > >> What is the future of FM here in the states? > > There is nothing coming down the pike, regulatory-wise, to replace > it. The band will keep on getting packed with more and more stations > (and more and more unlikely directional patterns) to get the maximum > analog coverage until it becomes uneconomical. > > If it's not gone completely by mid-century, it will have happened only > because that spectrum just isn't that valuable for any of the possible > competing uses. > > In countries that have successfully transitioned radio to digital, a > few factors apply: > > 1) Stations licensed on a national basis with a universal-service > obligation. > > 2) A small number of broadcasters dominating the media landscape, > including state-owned broadcasters. > > 3) A sufficient amount of favorable spectrum available to allow a > out-of-band digital service. > > 4) A regulatory policy that favors signal parity over competitive > advantage between broadcasters serving a particular area. > > 5) A regulatory policy that separates transmitter ownership and > operation from programming. > > Canada tried to implement Eureka 147 a decade and a half ago, with > little success: none of these factors weighed in favor. They were > closest on (4) and (5) but Canadian regulation is much more about > preserving the economics of incumbent broadcasters, with whatever > signal constraints they may have, rather than equality, and while they > do have separate licensing bodies for transmitters (Industry Canada) > and programming (the CRTC), the two licenses have to be held by the > same operator. > > In the UK, where all of those factors do pertain, the DAB > implementation went much better -- although unlike Norway they haven't > yet killed off analog broadcasting entirely. > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 02:41:02 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 02:41:02 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Garrett - I was referring more to the lack of HD Radio home receivers. In any event in the past 10 years as any HD sub channel in Boston gained an audience? I can't think of any. On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Meanwhile Industry Canada is slowly approving HD FM transmitters in > Canada. > > Of course the lack of consumer HD receivers available will doom the > format > > from catching on as has happened in the US. > > What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you > get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic > data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being > the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) > > -GAWollman > > From map@mapinternet.com Thu Jan 12 09:00:10 2017 From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:00:10 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WSBK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64A07455008944C8B0A340F24708B9DA@laptop> Ironically, with the 60.5 leased channel, it looks like NBC may have the best OTA signal of all the major networks--1M watts on ch18 Mark Casey -----Original Message----- From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:57 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WSBK Bob DeMattia wrote, > To recap, "NBC Boston"'s closest O&O transmitter is a low > power on RF46, virtual 8.1. > It has a full power transmitter, albeit direction, outside of > Manchester, NH on RF34 virtual 60.2. > It's most useful signal comes out of a station owned by > somebody else on RF32 mostly virtual 62, but on this > transmitter NBC's content is PSIP'd at virtual 60.5. Bzzzz. Close, but no cigar. Vir-Ch.60.5 = WMFP:62?s RF-Ch.18.5: RF-Ch.32 = WBPX:68, *was* analog W32AY ? WTMU-LP ? RF-Ch.46 (analog) ? (digital) WBTS-LD as Vir-Ch.8! ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7996 / Virus Database: 4749/13743 - Release Date: 01/10/17 From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 11:39:18 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22647.7479.721198.94534@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.7479.721198.94534@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: >> Was Hybrid Digital some sort of attempt to fend off DAB here in the states? > No, because it wasn't really going anywhere without the support of the > commercial broadcasting sector, who were in the process of spending > insane sums of money predicated on signal inequality. Before there was "HD Radio", the NAB originally backed DAB for digital broadcasting in the U.S. However, when its members began to understand that they would be sharing transmitters and that everyone in a market would have the same coverage, their members balked. The NAB changed its mind and withdrew its endorsement of DAB. Shortly after that, CBS and Greater Media, among others, invested in the newly formed Ibiquity to develop "HD Radio". Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 11:45:44 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:45:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: > What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you > get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic > data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being > the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 11:07:11 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:07:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Michael Wilkins wrote: > I was somewhat surprised to see no mention of this, on the first day of > implementation; perhaps because it's been in the works for several years > now. However, I did load a (rather light) interview that Marco Werman > (PRI's The World) did with Ole Torvmark, the CEO of Digitalradio Norway. That's a country with a very high penetration of DAB+ radios. DAB+ is a modulation scheme that combines several program streams -- up to 30, IIRC -- onto one broadcast on a single RF channel. It's excellent for countries that have national radio networks where one can feed multiple sites on the same channel and have seamless coverage. DAB+ wouldn't do as well in the United States, where national networks are the exception rather than the rule, which is thousands of privately owned local stations that compete one with another. The digital broadcast standard here is "HD Radio", which has far lower penetration and isn't popular with listeners. "HD Radio" also uses the same spectrum as AM and FM, so there's no spectrum to be freed by shutting down the analog modes. Listeners in this country aren't buying "HD Radio" receivers. Shutting down AM and FM would leave the U.S. with no broadcast radio at all (Internet streaming is not a workable substitute). Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 12:00:32 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:00:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > Are Norway, the UK, and others on DAB+? Pretty much everyone outside North America uses either DAB+ or DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale). Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 12:08:00 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an > STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those > channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. Translators in the commercial band (above 91.9) must be fed off the air, unless that's changed recently. Rob From astelle.donald@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 01:58:56 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:58:56 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5F4EEC88DFF6445CBEA73321F3190162@ownerd8aa55a4d> From: "Kevin Vahey" > Meanwhile Industry Canada is slowly approving HD FM transmitters in > Canada. > Of course the lack of consumer HD receivers available will doom the format > from catching on as has happened in the US. Doom? I find many people have them in their car....and don't even know it. I don't think FM HD is going away..... From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Jan 12 11:51:47 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:51:47 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. It is of course an excuse to get an extra station on the air, and the only way to get a HD channel to show up in the ratings. Jeff Lehmann > On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> >> What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you >> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic >> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being >> the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) > > That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. > > "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. > > There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. > > > Rob From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Jan 12 12:24:11 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:11 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <067f01d26cf8$b135ada0$13a108e0$@comcast.net> I'm quite sure that has changed. Perhaps Scott or someone else can comment with the details. The AM to FM translators certainly aren't being fed over the air. Jeff Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Rob Landry [mailto:011010001@interpring.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:08 PM To: Jeff Lehmann Cc: Garrett Wollman ; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as > an STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those > channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. Translators in the commercial band (above 91.9) must be fed off the air, unless that's changed recently. Rob From map@mapinternet.com Thu Jan 12 13:20:38 2017 From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:20:38 -0500 Subject: Norway Digital, USA HD, etc, In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8E81D9CB75CD448380E25F0EB70F8880@laptop> For mobile, The main complaint with FM HD, ( and this complaint has mostly gone away) is improper signal timing during signal transition going between Analog and HD, resulting in repeat or lag of the program content to the listener. Generally, the current HD Car receivers provide better reception in analog mode, than older analog sets. AM HD is another story. Outside of the area where a station's signal is extremely strong, it often suffers from dropouts when challenged by even minor noise sources. WBZ's AM HD is the best I've listened to -- although it never holds for long, it often decodes HD 90 miles away in Springfield, and it holds pretty well in most of the Boston metro area. WCBS-AM's HD in New York also works well. But WTIC-AM's HD is poor to fair at best. It goes in and out up to within 10-15 miles of the 50kw station. Then we also have the nightime problem with AM HD. A major problem, with just a few exceptions, is that HD radio is not standard in basic models, but only in luxury models. It is not even an option on many cars & pickups. So, if HD were standard in most or all models, that would help the mode a lot. I bought a mid-range model of the Subaru Outback in 2014 and have been impressed with the very, very good quality of the radio in both analog and HD radio, on AM and FM both, especially considering there is not a standard exterior radio antenna. Mark Casey K1MAP -----Original Message----- From: Rob Landry There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. Rob ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7996 / Virus Database: 4749/13754 - Release Date: 01/12/17 From webmaster@rabbitears.info Thu Jan 12 11:49:35 2017 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:49:35 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Er, plenty of stations are transmitting traffic data over IBOC. http://hdradio.com/what-is-hd-radio "Our data network allows us to broadcast Digital Traffic " Here are some maps: http://www.ttwnetwork.com/index.php/solutions/2013-04-02-15-39-16/coverageareas I asked a station local to me if they could run an HD4 feed and they said no, because they're using that stream for traffic data. - Trip www.rabbitears.info On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you >> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic >> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being >> the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) >> > > That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data > (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). > I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is > being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. > > "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major > success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. > > There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by > no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it > rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. > > > Rob > From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 13:39:02 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:39:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway Digital, USA HD, etc, In-Reply-To: <8E81D9CB75CD448380E25F0EB70F8880@laptop> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8E81D9CB75CD448380E25F0EB70F8880@laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, M.Casey wrote: > For mobile, The main complaint with FM HD, ( and this complaint has mostly > gone away) is improper signal timing during signal transition going between > Analog and HD, resulting in repeat or lag of the program content to the > listener. When the audio processing on the HD is different than on the analog, the change from one to the other can be jarring. > AM HD is another story. I'm not a fan of "HD Radio" on AM. If it were used in all digital (as opposed to hybrid) mode, and could be restricted to the channel the AM is licensed to, it might be more tolerable; but in hybrid mode as it is used today, it occupies the adjacent channels and spills over into the second adjacent channels too. My client on 1410 KHz was used to suffer interference from a station on 1430 in the same market that ran "HD Radio"; Rick Levy told me he measured the lower limit of the spectrum occupied by the "HD Radio" signal at 1412. That's too much spectrum for one AM statuon to be allowed to hog. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 12 13:40:05 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:40:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I wasn't aware of that, although I did know that translators relaying AM's could be fed by other means. Rob On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Scott Fybush wrote: > That's true only of non-fill-in translators. Translators that repeat an > HD2/3 are fill-in translators and can be fed by alternate means.? > > On Jan 12, 2017 12:08 PM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are > actually using it as an STL to feed their analog > translators. The audio quality on those channels > isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is > allowed. > > > Translators in the commercial band (above 91.9) must be fed off > the air, unless that's changed recently. > > > Rob > > > From dave@skywaves.net Thu Jan 12 13:10:54 2017 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:10:54 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001d01d26cff$375c6cb0$a6154610$@skywaves.net> Commercial translators can rebroadcast the primary station's analog or HD channels, including HD2, etc. That's being done a lot. Some stations may be making money on HD that way. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Rob Landry Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:08 PM To: Jeff Lehmann Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as > an STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those > channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. Translators in the commercial band (above 91.9) must be fed off the air, unless that's changed recently. Rob From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 14:27:51 2017 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:27:51 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7E4C4797-3AFC-4A72-9B50-96AAB4E318F3@gmail.com> An FM translator of an AM station, what audio feed must they receive? (I know program must be identical.) Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. > On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. > > It is of course an excuse to get an extra station on the air, and the only way to get a HD channel to show up in the ratings. > > Jeff Lehmann > >> On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>> >>> What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you >>> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic >>> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being >>> the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) >> >> That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. >> >> "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. >> >> There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. >> >> >> Rob > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 12 17:22:17 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:22:17 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <7E4C4797-3AFC-4A72-9B50-96AAB4E318F3@gmail.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7E4C4797-3AFC-4A72-9B50-96AAB4E318F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also considered "fill-in" and can be fed by any means. On Jan 12, 2017 3:30 PM, "billohno@gmail.com" wrote: > An FM translator of an AM station, what audio feed must they receive? (I > know program must be identical.) > > Bill O'Neill > > Sent from my mobile. > > > On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Jeff Lehmann > wrote: > > > > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an > STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those channels > isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. > > > > It is of course an excuse to get an extra station on the air, and the > only way to get a HD channel to show up in the ratings. > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > > >> On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >>> > >>> What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you > >>> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic > >>> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being > >>> the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) > >> > >> That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data > (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). > I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is > being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. > >> > >> "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major > success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. > >> > >> There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but > by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it > rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. > >> > >> > >> Rob > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Thu Jan 12 19:03:07 2017 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:03:07 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <7E4C4797-3AFC-4A72-9B50-96AAB4E318F3@gmail.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7E4C4797-3AFC-4A72-9B50-96AAB4E318F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01d26d30$6bac56c0$43050440$@skywaves.net> By definition AM translators are fill-in, so you can feed them any way you want. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of billohno@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:28 PM To: Jeff Lehmann Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio An FM translator of an AM station, what audio feed must they receive? (I know program must be identical.) Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. > On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those channels isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. > > It is of course an excuse to get an extra station on the air, and the only way to get a HD channel to show up in the ratings. > > Jeff Lehmann > >> On Jan 12, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>> >>> What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you >>> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic >>> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that >>> being the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) >> >> That would require the radio stations to transmit the traffic data (presumably through equipment supplied by the data distribution service). I'm not aware of any broadcasters doing that. It's more likely the data is being distributed via mobile broadband Internet. >> >> "HD Radio" remains a solution looking for a problem. Its only major success has been as an STL to feed FM translators. >> >> There are some new car models that come equipped with "HD Radio", but by no means all do. I've heard reports that some dealers are disabling it rather than deal with buyer complaints about radio reception. >> >> >> Rob > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 12 12:12:45 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:12:45 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: That's true only of non-fill-in translators. Translators that repeat an HD2/3 are fill-in translators and can be fed by alternate means. On Jan 12, 2017 12:08 PM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > I don't think most of the HD2/3 translators are actually using it as an >> STL to feed their analog translators. The audio quality on those channels >> isn't that great. Most are fed directly, which is allowed. >> > > Translators in the commercial band (above 91.9) must be fed off the air, > unless that's changed recently. > > > Rob > From chris@christianphansen.com Thu Jan 12 05:17:06 2017 From: chris@christianphansen.com (Chris Hansen) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:17:06 +0000 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74c68a2f-99c7-afcb-2ca1-80eb8aea3a11@christianphansen.com> On 12/01/2017 01:45, Michael Wilkins wrote: > I was somewhat surprised to see no mention of this, on the first day of implementation; perhaps because it's been in the works for several years now. However, I did load a (rather light) interview that Marco Werman (PRI's The World) did with Ole Torvmark, the CEO of Digitalradio Norway. > > https://soundcloud.com/seenthat/dab > > What is the future of FM here in the states? Same road as OTA television? What would the timeline be? Here in the UK the government is waiting for 50%+1 of households having access to DAB receivers before planning the elimination of FM transmissions. The head of the digital broadcasting organisation thinks that this threshold will be achieved this year. There are several hitches in this. The provision of DAB transmitters is spotty in parts of the UK and thus FM (and AM and LW) broadcasting is vital to reach those areas. And the DAB service often cuts out for a short time, leaving people to turn to computer, satellite, or FM reception to continue to listen to broadcasts. This is much complained about, but the industry just shrugs its collective shoulders and in effect tells us to just live with it. Audiophiles also complain that the audio quality of DAB broadcasting is not up to the standard of FM broadcasting. As there are fewer and fewer audiophiles around, this objection doesn't cut much mustard. The US needs to try to avoid some of these pitfalls if it wants to clear the FM bands. Transmitters must be robust and dropout-free, as much as possible. The technology must be as up-to-date as possible, foreseeing and capable of future enhancement--the UK's DAB system is not, and the German DAB+ system, thought to be superior, won't be introduced here. And 100% of the country must be able to receive DAB transmissions before FM is silenced. Cheers from London's Massachusetts-born expat Chris Hansen From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 12 21:44:02 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:44:02 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <22648.16114.947350.400040@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett - I was referring more to the lack of HD Radio home receivers. Radio is an out-of-home medium. Home receivers are commercially irrelevant. The lack of portable HD tuners is more of an issue, but that market has already been eaten by smartphones. These days, the only reasons for a licensee to run HD are 1) To lease NPAD capacity for broadcast data services like the traffic service I mentioned; 2) To act as nominal primary for a fill-in translator (possibly on a leased basis) with a different format; or 3) To allow a music streaming service to be treated as "broadcast" rather than online-only, which qualifies for a cheaper tier of rights fees. Saga is really big on (2); it can be workable in small markets, and translators are not subject to the ownership cap that would otherwise keep an owner from buying or leasing a primary station. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 13 01:23:37 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:23:37 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? On 1/12/2017 2:41 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Garrett - I was referring more to the lack of HD Radio home receivers. > > In any event in the past 10 years as any HD sub channel in Boston gained an > audience? I can't think of any. > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > >> < said: >> >>> Meanwhile Industry Canada is slowly approving HD FM transmitters in >> Canada. >>> Of course the lack of consumer HD receivers available will doom the >> format >>> from catching on as has happened in the US. >> What lack of consumer HD receivers? Most new cars have them, if you >> get one with a nav system, because that's how they get their traffic >> data. (That way it works without a SiriusXM subscription, that being >> the other major nationwide provider of traffic data.) >> >> -GAWollman >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 13 02:08:11 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 02:08:11 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When > people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the > difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). -GAWollman From dave@skywaves.net Fri Jan 13 18:51:29 2017 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:51:29 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001f01d26df7$f5e76ce0$e1b646a0$@skywaves.net> That's true of the 51 PPM markets. Smaller markets are still diary-based. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:08 AM To: A Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio < said: > How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? > When people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know > the difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 13 22:40:36 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:40:36 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because they thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people filling out ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they were using Portable People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? On 1/13/2017 2:08 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When >> people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the >> difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? > People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are > handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible > tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism > (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). > > -GAWollman > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 13 23:30:23 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:30:23 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <58613939-5b49-7175-9812-2a13c4f49f46@attorneyross.com> That explains it! Thanks. On 1/13/2017 11:23 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > The WCLB to WKLB change was in 1993. > The PPM's were introduced in Boston around 2009. > > > -Bob > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:40 PM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because > they thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people > filling out ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they > were using Portable People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? > > > On 1/13/2017 2:08 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < > said: > > How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an > audience? When > people are asked what station they are listening to, do > they know the > difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? > > People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are > handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode > subaudible > tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism > (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). > > -GAWollman > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA > 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri Jan 13 23:38:53 2017 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:38:53 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Fairbanks wanted the WCLB calls for their station in Florida On Friday, January 13, 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because they > thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people filling out > ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they were using Portable > People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? > > > On 1/13/2017 2:08 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> < >> said: >> >> How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When >>> people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the >>> difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? >>> >> People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are >> handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible >> tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism >> (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). >> >> -GAWollman >> >> >> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > -- Ron Bello 160 Speen St - Suite 303 Framingham, MA. 01701 508.820.1100 From ptmclothes@aol.com Fri Jan 13 13:44:33 2017 From: ptmclothes@aol.com (Richard Putnam) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:44:33 -0500 Subject: News reporters during Korean Conflict Message-ID: <15999254296-3a24-c19e@webprd-m31.mail.aol.com> Can anyone confirm my recollection of a reporter/anchor named Jaffrey or Jeffrey Howard. I can remember his tag at the beginning/end of newcasts aired on WBZ, reporting on Korean War, Pres Truman, etc. Reply to this email address would be appreciated. Richard Putnam Milford, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 14 00:47:03 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:47:03 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <22649.47959.18581.775553@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The WCLB to WKLB change was in 1993. July, 1995, actually. -GAWollman From astelle.donald@gmail.com Sat Jan 14 02:33:32 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:33:32 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> > Fairbanks wanted the WCLB calls for their station in Florida Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 style rotation. There were those inside 105.7 & Fairbanks who thought the CLB letters were a little too close to CRB....and that WCRB may have been getting some of the diary credit that was due 105.7 From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jan 13 23:23:07 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:23:07 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: The WCLB to WKLB change was in 1993. The PPM's were introduced in Boston around 2009. -Bob On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:40 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because they > thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people filling out > ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they were using Portable > People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? > > > On 1/13/2017 2:08 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> < >> said: >> >> How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When >>> people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the >>> difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? >>> >> People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are >> handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible >> tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism >> (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). >> >> -GAWollman >> >> >> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 14 11:14:49 2017 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: The Portable People Meters didn't exist at the time. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. > On Jan 13, 2017, at 10:40 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because they thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people filling out ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they were using Portable People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? > > >> On 1/13/2017 2:08 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> < said: >> >>> How would we know whether an HD sub-channel has gained an audience? When >>> people are asked what station they are listening to, do they know the >>> difference between WBZ and WBZ-FM-HD3? >> People are not asked what station they are listening to, they are >> handed Portable People Meters, which listen for and decode subaudible >> tones that identify the station and specific delivery mechanism >> (streaming, analog broadcast, or digital broadcast). >> >> -GAWollman >> >> > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > From 011010001@interpring.com Sat Jan 14 16:18:53 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 16:18:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Norway goes Digital, eliminates FM radio In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Funny, I thought the reason Country WCLB became WKLB was because they > thought they were losing ratings to WCRB just because people filling out > ratings books got the call letters wrong. If they were using Portable > People Meters, that shouldn't happen, should it? You are correct. PPM hadn't been deployed in the Boston market yet, and diary comments suggested WCRB was getting credited with listening to 105.7. A few years earlier, something similar happened with WILD and WODS, when survey participants listening to the newly debuted WODS write down "WOLD". The late Harry Chapin was not available for comment. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Sat Jan 14 16:26:45 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 16:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical WCRB > started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was running CRB > and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 style rotation. They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See http://classical959.com to hear it. Rob From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 14 23:53:38 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:53:38 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 >> style rotation. > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > Rob > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From astelle.donald@gmail.com Sun Jan 15 02:42:55 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don Astelle) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:42:55 +0000 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> , <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< You and the late Laurence Glavin both! _____________________________ From: A Joseph Ross > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB To: Don >, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> Cc: Ron Bello >, > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 >> style rotation. > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > Rob > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 15 05:52:13 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 05:52:13 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Ironically WKLB and WCRB would switch frequencies--Dec 1, 2006, with 99.5 and 102.5--and WCRB's last piece of music on 102.5 was the same piece ("Rodeo"?) used in the Beef: It's What's For Dinner commercials. WKLB began Rascal Flatts' version of the national anthem, the last notes of which wound up on the new frequency. Format Change archive has both versions of the big switch. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don >, Rob > Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > Cc: Ron Bello >, < > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > From 011010001@interpring.com Mon Jan 16 09:24:41 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:24:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The 99.5 WCRB was not programmed by Mario Mazza, although it did hire most of the old WCRB staff. It trasmitted from Andover, so it had a significantly different coverage map than WCRB at 102.5. Nevertheless it scored a pretty consistent 3 share in the Boston ratings. The old WCRB had got as high as 4.5. Rob On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, Bob Nelson wrote: > Ironically WKLB and WCRB would switch frequencies--Dec 1, 2006, with 99.5 > and 102.5--and WCRB's last piece of music on 102.5?was the same piece > ("Rodeo"?) used in the Beef: It's What's For Dinner commercials. WKLB began > Rascal Flatts' version of the national anthem, the last notes of which wound > up on the new frequency. Format Change archive has both versions of the big > switch. > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Don Astelle > wrote: > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross > > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don > >, Rob > Landry > <011010001@interpring.com> > Cc: Ron Bello > >, ists.bostonradio.org>> > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, > Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when > Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat > Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. > See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, > MA 02459 > 617.367.0468?| Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 17 01:52:58 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:52:58 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2c86fb3e-92f5-85c1-d129-b038b07676a2@attorneyross.com> I listened to the changeover and taped from both signals. WKLB's Rascal Flatts version of the national anthem actually switched from one signal to the other at the very end, in the middle of the word "Brave." On 1/15/2017 5:52 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Ironically WKLB and WCRB would switch frequencies--Dec 1, 2006, with > 99.5 and 102.5--and WCRB's last piece of music on 102.5 was the same > piece ("Rodeo"?) used in the Beef: It's What's For Dinner commercials. > WKLB began Rascal Flatts' version of the national anthem, the last > notes of which wound up on the new frequency. Format Change archive > has both versions of the big switch. > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Don Astelle > wrote: > > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross >> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don >>, Rob Landry > <011010001@interpring.com > >> > Cc: Ron Bello >>, > >> > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA > 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 > | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From astelle.donald@gmail.com Tue Jan 17 01:59:57 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:59:57 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <95C0F02984E64ABDAE2FF0C6508DD6C2@ownerd8aa55a4d> >>My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted on the air that the practice of playing single >> movements was unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. My recollection was that they got a lot of elitist complaints...but the ratings showed more people were listening (and enjoying) Classical music in Boston than ever before...and , since ratings = billing....they did not change. WCRB was at a time considered to be the most successful Classical station in the Country by some estimates. If I recall correctly, the continued that format until the station ownership changed. D ----- Original Message ----- From: A Joseph Ross To: Don Astelle ; Rob Landry Cc: Ron Bello ; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:49 AM Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements was unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< You and the late Laurence Glavin both! _____________________________ From: A Joseph Ross Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB To: Don , Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> Cc: Ron Bello , I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 >> style rotation. > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > Rob > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 17 01:49:18 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:49:18 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements was unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don >, > Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com > > Cc: Ron Bello >, > > > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 17 01:53:36 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:53:36 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: What rating does it score now? On 1/16/2017 9:24 AM, Rob Landry wrote: > > The 99.5 WCRB was not programmed by Mario Mazza, although it did hire > most of the old WCRB staff. It trasmitted from Andover, so it had a > significantly different coverage map than WCRB at 102.5. Nevertheless > it scored a pretty consistent 3 share in the Boston ratings. The old > WCRB had got as high as 4.5. > > > Rob > > > On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Ironically WKLB and WCRB would switch frequencies--Dec 1, 2006, with >> 99.5 >> and 102.5--and WCRB's last piece of music on 102.5 was the same piece >> ("Rodeo"?) used in the Beef: It's What's For Dinner commercials. WKLB >> began >> Rascal Flatts' version of the national anthem, the last notes of >> which wound >> up on the new frequency. Format Change archive has both versions of >> the big >> switch. >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Don Astelle >> wrote: >> >> >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< >> >> You and the late Laurence Glavin both! >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> From: A Joseph Ross >> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB >> To: Don >> >, Rob >> Landry >> <011010001@interpring.com> >> Cc: Ron Bello >> >,> ists.bostonradio.org>> >> >> >> I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. >> >> >> On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, >> Classical >> >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when >> Matio was >> >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat >> Top 40 >> >> style rotation. >> > >> > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. >> See >> > http://classical959.com to hear it. >> > >> > >> > Rob >> > >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, >> MA 02459 >> 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 17 11:25:48 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:25:48 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At one point being on 99.5 hurt WCRB (some listeners of whom already had signal issues) because in the Mattapan-Dorchester area, a pirate called Datz Hitz was running on 99.7. Listeners complained to the station, according to a Globe article, and the station got the FCC to take action. The pirate was also interfering with Logan aircraft radio. On Jan 17, 2017 2:21 AM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted > on the air that the practice of playing single movements was unpopular > among listeners, and they discontinued it. > > > On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: > >> >> >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< >> >> You and the late Laurence Glavin both! >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> From: A Joseph Ross > >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB >> To: Don >, >> Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com > >> Cc: Ron Bello >, < >> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> >> >> >> I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. >> >> >> On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was >> >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 >> >> style rotation. >> > >> > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See >> > http://classical959.com to hear it. >> > >> > >> > Rob >> > >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 >> 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com < >> http://www.attorneyross.com> >> >> >> >> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 17 13:41:02 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:41:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: They (we) got a lot of complaints, but they mostly came from professional musicians and the like. Greater Boston has a *lot* of professional and semi-professional musicians, but they are an infinitessimal portion of the audience. After the initial wave of complaints, Mario altered the format to allow more pieces to play in their entirety, but he never stopped playing single movements. The rationale was that as in any other format, we had to play the hits, and they had to be playable in morning and afternoon drive. The most extreme case was Beethoven's ninth symphony. To play that in its entirety takes more than an hour, and that's a lot of commercial avails to give up. In the end, the more complaints we got, the the more the Globe and Herald took pot shots at us, and the higher our ratings went. In radio, there's almost no such thing as bad publicity. Rob On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements was unpopular > among listeners, and they discontinued it. > > > On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! ?? > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don , Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > Cc: Ron Bello , > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 17 13:43:10 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:43:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > What rating does it (presumably, WGBH's version of WCRB at 99.5) score > now? The last I heard, somewhere in the low 2's. I do not have any connection with WGBH, and have no more knowledge of what they're doing than do you. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 17 13:46:19 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:46:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <95C0F02984E64ABDAE2FF0C6508DD6C2@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> <95C0F02984E64ABDAE2FF0C6508DD6C2@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > WCRB was at a time considered to be the most successful Classical station in the Country by some estimates. In terms of billing, WGMS ("Washington's Good Music Station") in Washington, DC was #1. In terms of audience share, the two stations traded the title back and forth. WQXR in NYC probably outbilled WCRB pretty consistently, despite languishing in the 1's. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 17 13:54:19 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:54:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Neither of the WCRB's I worked for had any significant audience in Mattapan or Dorchester, judging by listener mail, email, and phone calls. Back Bay and the South End were another story, and 99.5 had some serious handicaps there, as well as in parts of Cambridge. The ring of hills that allowed General Washington to contain and ultimately drive out the British in 1776 are not friendly to FM stations transmitting from north of the city. Rob On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Bob Nelson wrote: > At one point being on 99.5 hurt WCRB (some listeners of whom already had signal issues) because in the Mattapan-Dorchester area, a pirate called > Datz Hitz was running on 99.7. Listeners complained to the station, according to a Globe article, and the station got the FCC to take action. The > pirate was also interfering with Logan aircraft radio. > > On Jan 17, 2017 2:21 AM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements was > unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. > > > On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: > > >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< > > You and the late Laurence Glavin both! > > > > _____________________________ > From: A Joseph Ross > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: Don >, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com > > > Cc: Ron Bello >, > > > > I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. > > > On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > > > >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical > >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was > >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 > >> style rotation. > > > > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See > > http://classical959.com to hear it. > > > > > > Rob > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468?| Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468?| Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 17 13:33:50 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:33:50 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0a2d01d270f0$40162220$c0426660$@comcast.net> There's a strong 99.7 pirate in Brockton these days that destroys WCRB there. Jeff Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:26 AM To: A Joseph Ross Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB At one point being on 99.5 hurt WCRB (some listeners of whom already had signal issues) because in the Mattapan-Dorchester area, a pirate called Datz Hitz was running on 99.7. Listeners complained to the station, according to a Globe article, and the station got the FCC to take action. The pirate was also interfering with Logan aircraft radio. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 17 15:05:57 2017 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:05:57 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8207A1DC-BAC1-4BE0-8A5D-49A01CE84BD5@gmail.com> Rob Landry writes, in this in classic BRI style, #flashback: > The ring of hills that allowed General Washington to contain and ultimately drive out the British in 1776 are not friendly to FM stations transmitting from north of the city. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 18 00:21:30 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 00:21:30 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <54c80216-b716-bba2-bccc-baaeb7c1d7cb@attorneyross.com> I am not a professional musician or "the like," whatever that means, and I complained. WCRB rarely played the 9th symphony anyway. It avoided choral music, except during the Christmas season. On 1/17/2017 1:41 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > They (we) got a lot of complaints, but they mostly came from > professional musicians and the like. Greater Boston has a *lot* of > professional and semi-professional musicians, but they are an > infinitessimal portion of the audience. After the initial wave of > complaints, Mario altered the format to allow more pieces to play in > their entirety, but he never stopped playing single movements. The > rationale was that as in any other format, we had to play the hits, > and they had to be playable in morning and afternoon drive. > > The most extreme case was Beethoven's ninth symphony. To play that in > its entirety takes more than an hour, and that's a lot of commercial > avails to give up. > > In the end, the more complaints we got, the the more the Globe and > Herald took pot shots at us, and the higher our ratings went. In > radio, there's almost no such thing as bad publicity. > > > Rob > > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > >> My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even >> admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements was >> unpopular >> among listeners, and they discontinued it. >> >> >> On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: >> >> >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< >> >> You and the late Laurence Glavin both! >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> From: A Joseph Ross >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB >> To: Don , Rob Landry >> <011010001@interpring.com> >> Cc: Ron Bello , >> >> >> >> I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. >> >> >> On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when Matio was >> >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat Top 40 >> >> style rotation. >> > >> > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See >> > http://classical959.com to hear it. >> > >> > >> > Rob >> > >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 >> 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 >> 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 18 00:18:16 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 00:18:16 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <95C0F02984E64ABDAE2FF0C6508DD6C2@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <22646.62506.286866.313549@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <22647.9256.865041.788958@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6cb81edb-e976-48fd-a195-f2775adfe354@attorneyross.com> <22648.31963.941713.61231@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60CF587A32864188999EA5A597DFB3FF@ownerd8aa55a4d> <186fa0ac-4ca8-ee02-6284-6b04a563640c@attorneyross.com> <6c66c446-e9cc-45a9-400d-f67c958743f9@attorneyross.com> <95C0F02984E64ABDAE2FF0C6508DD6C2@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: <0a72b99e-0d23-f169-3067-a784d83b37f3@attorneyross.com> I don't know what elitist means. I was one of those who complained, I think while filling out an online survey, IIRC. They said on air that listeners had made it clear that they wanted more complete symphonies, and they had complied. They may not have stopped using isolated movements altogether, but they did cut it back. On 1/17/2017 1:59 AM, Don wrote: > >>My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even > admitted on the air that the practice of playing single > >> movements was unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. > My recollection was that they got a lot of elitist complaints...but > the ratings showed more people were listening (and enjoying) Classical > music in Boston than ever before...and , since ratings = > billing....they did not change. > WCRB was at a time considered to be the most successful Classical > station in the Country by some estimates. > If I recall correctly, the continued that format until the station > ownership changed. > D > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* A Joseph Ross > *To:* Don Astelle ; Rob Landry > > *Cc:* Ron Bello ; > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > > My recollection was that WCRB got a lot of complaints, and even > admitted on the air that the practice of playing single movements > was unpopular among listeners, and they discontinued it. > > > On 1/15/2017 2:42 AM, Don Astelle wrote: >> >> >>I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it.<< >> >> You and the late Laurence Glavin both! >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> From: A Joseph Ross > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB >> To: Don > >, Rob Landry >> <011010001@interpring.com > >> Cc: Ron Bello > >, >> > > >> >> >> I already heard it back then, and I didn't like it. >> >> >> On 1/14/2017 4:26 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Don wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, during this incarnation of Country on 105.7, Classical >> >> WCRB started doing VERY well in the ratings. This is when >> Matio was >> >> running CRB and they were playing "movements" in a somewhat >> Top 40 >> >> style rotation. >> > >> > They were playing the same format as WFCC and WCRI do today. See >> > http://classical959.com to hear it. >> > >> > >> > Rob >> > >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA >> 02459 >> 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 |http://www.attorneyross.com > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From ashboy1951@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 08:22:49 2017 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:22:49 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Message-ID: I am a classical music fan, and I always listen to WCRB when I reach southern Maine enroute to Massachusetts from my home Down East. I wasn't aware of the complaints about the station's programming, though I would have been sympathetic. During my college and early professional years in the late '60s to mid '70s, before I moved to Maine, WCRB was a Boston institution --- considered one of the greatest classical radio stations in the country, and enjoying Arbitron ratings that were in eastern Massachusetts' top tier, just below WHDH and WRKO. Given its format, the station had an astonishingly large listenership. By the end of the century, the playlist had become annoyingly tight, degenerating into what was, in my estimation, the classical music equivalent of a standard light rock station --- the same "best-known" symphonic and solo pieces ("classical lite," as they're somewhat derisively called) --- played over and over again. If I heard Horowitz play "Polonaise" on Tuesday morning, I could predict that I would hear it again that night, the next day, and the day following. All of that has blessedly changed under WGBH's ownership, The same thing was true on Maine's W-BACH stations for quite some time until Bill Binnie bought them. The playlist has improved considerably since. To his credit, Binnie seems to take his ownership of the stations seriously. From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Jan 18 13:14:46 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:14:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > I wasn't aware of the complaints about the station's programming, though I > would have been sympathetic. During my college and early professional > years in the late '60s to mid '70s, before I moved to Maine, WCRB was a > Boston institution --- considered one of the greatest classical radio > stations in the country, and enjoying Arbitron ratings that were in eastern > Massachusetts' top tier, just below WHDH and WRKO. When I started working at WCRB in 1985, the station's audience share ranged between 1.1 and 1.7. It was ranked in the top twenty, but barely. Stories were told among the staff about lean times a few years earlier when the station was carried by its sound systems sister company, and at one point the principal owner, Ted Jones, had to mortgage his house to keep WCRB on the air. It had never been spectacularly profitable. Originally an AM station at 1330, the FM at 102.5 was added in 1954. The AM station was sold in the mid 1970's and became WDLW (now WRCA). > By the end of the century, the playlist had become annoyingly tight, > degenerating into what was, in my estimation, the classical music > equivalent of a standard light rock station --- the same "best-known" > symphonic and solo pieces ("classical lite," as they're somewhat > derisively called) --- played over and over again. After Ted's death in 1991, the other stockholders began pressuring management to make the station more profitable. At the same time, long time spnsorships, such as that of Delta Airlines for the Sunday night opera show and Raytheon for the Boston Symphony, began to evaporate as these sponsors began looking for better resuls for their money. In 1997, the Board of Trustees fired Ted's hand-picked general manager, Cynthia Scullin, and replaced her with Bill Campbell, the man who had launched WMJX for Greater Media in 1981. Mario Mazza, whom Cynthia had hired as program director, was given free rein to push up the ratings. Mario's formula was that of an easy listening station built around classical music, and it was a huge hit. WCRB peaked at number 7 with a 4.5 audience share. > If I heard Horowitz play "Polonaise" on Tuesday morning, I could predict > that I would hear it again that night, the next day, and the day > following. All of that has blessedly changed under WGBH's ownership, In December 2006, WCRB was sold for $100 million to Greater Media, which immediately moved its "Country 99.5" WKLB to 102.5, replacing WCRB. The classical format and the WCRB call letters were given to Nassau Broadcasting along with the 99.5 station in a complex deal in which Greater Media got a Nassau-owned station in the Phaldelphia market. Nassau's programming formula was similar to Mario's, but with some changes to the playlist. Nassau sold WCRB 99.5 FM to WGBH for $14 million in December, 2009. Nassau's WCRB had been pulling a consistent 3 share, but WGBH's WCRB has never been able to approach that. WCRB's share since 2009 has generally been in the high 1's to low 2's. > The same thing was true on Maine's W-BACH stations for quite some time > until Bill Binnie bought them. The playlist has improved considerably > since. To his credit, Binnie seems to take his ownership of the stations > seriously. W-BACH was also onwned by Nassau; for a time it was programmed out of WCRB's Waltham studios. When Binnie bought it, he replaced Nassau's format with Mario's 1997 WCRB format, which W-BACH runs to this day. Binnie is dropping W-BACH's classical format on February 28. The stations will be flipping to something else. The Mario format can still be heard on WFCC (Cape Cod), WCRI (Block Island), WBQK (Williamsburg, VA), and WSCS (New London, NH). Rob From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jan 18 14:34:59 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:34:59 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So what did WGBH do that caused the drop in share? -Bob From ashboy1951@gmail.com Wed Jan 18 14:11:11 2017 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:11:11 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Message-ID: I wondered how long the W-BACH stations would retain their format once Maine Public Classical got going. Classical music has enough listeners in Maine to attract a loyal following, but I doubt the audience is large enough to sustain both a commercial classical network and a public one. I still credit Bill Binney for hanging in there as long as he has, however. From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Jan 18 15:27:54 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:27:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > So what did WGBH do that caused the drop in share? I have no connection with WGBH, so I don't know any more about what they did than any other listener. But it's clear they wanted a clean break from what Nassau was doing, as they asked Nassau to sign off before midnight on November 30, 2009, and turn the station over to them with the transmitter shut down. Nassau asked me to do that; there were no Nassau employees left in town. I was a contract engineer and reported to Nassau's VP/Engineering in Princeton. I went to the site that evening, shut down the station as planned, and turned over the keys. The WGBH engineers who met me clearly had plans for changes, but they didn't tell me anything. Before Mark Edwards, Nassau's program director for WCRB, left for the last time several days earlier, I had him record a sign-off message and added one last piece of music: the movement "Gute Nacht, O Wesen" from Bach's motet, "Jesu meine Freude", BWV 227. Even so, the automation playlist ended well before midnight, so I ended up shutting down early. I gave the keys to the WGBH guys, went home, and went to sleep. Some time before 6 AM the station went back on the air. Laura Carlo, the morning host, was the only ex-Nassau announcer to continue with WGBH, although they added former WCRB announcers Larry King (who had never worked for Nassau) and Ray Brown (who had left Nassau before the sale) later. I've no idea who was choosing the music, or how it was done, but I do know they went through several managers and program directors before hiring the fellow who manages WCRB today, whose name escapes me. I do know this: while Charles River still owned WCRB, we had Coleman Research do a number of focus groups, one goal of which was to ascertain the degree to which commercials induce tune-out in a classical format. The participants told us that while they didn't especially care for commercials, they didn't generally tune out when they heard them. However, what they really didn't like, and what was pretty much guaranteed to make them tune out, was on-air fundraising. Charles River had occasionally done some of it for the Boston Symphony, but we never did it again once we learned how obnoxious our listeners found it. We replaced the BSO fundraisers with an annual Classical Cartoon Festival, which I understand WGBH's WCRB still does. However, WGBH's WCRB does do on-air fundraising. This may, or may not, be reflected in the station's ratings. I wouldn't know. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Jan 18 15:30:43 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:30:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > I wondered how long the W-BACH stations would retain their format once > Maine Public Classical got going. Classical music has enough listeners in > Maine to attract a loyal following, but I doubt the audience is large > enough to sustain both a commercial classical network and a public one. I > still credit Bill Binney for hanging in there as long as he has, however. As far as I know Maine Public Classical is Classical 24 from Minnesota Public Radio with little or no local content. W-BACH had a local morning show with Scott Hooper until he was laid off last week. Rob From dib9@aol.com Wed Jan 18 15:31:36 2017 From: dib9@aol.com (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:31:36 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <159b3470ffb-20a4-59f1@webprd-m89.mail.aol.com> Maine Public Classical has a local morning show. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> To: Doug Drown Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2017 3:30 pm Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > I wondered how long the W-BACH stations would retain their format once > Maine Public Classical got going. Classical music has enough listeners in > Maine to attract a loyal following, but I doubt the audience is large > enough to sustain both a commercial classical network and a public one. I > still credit Bill Binney for hanging in there as long as he has, however. As far as I know Maine Public Classical is Classical 24 from Minnesota Public Radio with little or no local content. W-BACH had a local morning show with Scott Hooper until he was laid off last week. Rob From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 18 15:43:34 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:43:34 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MPBN has at least one local host on the classical outlet, and possibly two. On 1/18/2017 3:30 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > >> I wondered how long the W-BACH stations would retain their format once >> Maine Public Classical got going. Classical music has enough >> listeners in >> Maine to attract a loyal following, but I doubt the audience is large >> enough to sustain both a commercial classical network and a public >> one. I >> still credit Bill Binney for hanging in there as long as he has, however. > > As far as I know Maine Public Classical is Classical 24 from Minnesota > Public Radio with little or no local content. W-BACH had a local morning > show with Scott Hooper until he was laid off last week. > > > Rob From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 18 23:22:32 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:22:32 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <861451e6-7c63-7d37-46c7-398d387962d6@attorneyross.com> Is WFCC still owned by Charles River Broadcasting? On 1/18/2017 1:14 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > >> I wasn't aware of the complaints about the station's programming, >> though I >> would have been sympathetic. During my college and early professional >> years in the late '60s to mid '70s, before I moved to Maine, WCRB was a >> Boston institution --- considered one of the greatest classical radio >> stations in the country, and enjoying Arbitron ratings that were in >> eastern >> Massachusetts' top tier, just below WHDH and WRKO. > > When I started working at WCRB in 1985, the station's audience share > ranged between 1.1 and 1.7. It was ranked in the top twenty, but > barely. Stories were told among the staff about lean times a few years > earlier when the station was carried by its sound systems sister > company, and at one point the principal owner, Ted Jones, had to > mortgage his house to keep WCRB on the air. It had never been > spectacularly profitable. Originally an AM station at 1330, the FM at > 102.5 was added in 1954. The AM station was sold in the mid 1970's and > became WDLW (now WRCA). > >> By the end of the century, the playlist had become annoyingly tight, >> degenerating into what was, in my estimation, the classical music >> equivalent of a standard light rock station --- the same "best-known" >> symphonic and solo pieces ("classical lite," as they're somewhat >> derisively called) --- played over and over again. > > After Ted's death in 1991, the other stockholders began pressuring > management to make the station more profitable. At the same time, long > time spnsorships, such as that of Delta Airlines for the Sunday night > opera show and Raytheon for the Boston Symphony, began to evaporate as > these sponsors began looking for better resuls for their money. > > In 1997, the Board of Trustees fired Ted's hand-picked general > manager, Cynthia Scullin, and replaced her with Bill Campbell, the man > who had launched WMJX for Greater Media in 1981. Mario Mazza, whom > Cynthia had hired as program director, was given free rein to push up > the ratings. Mario's formula was that of an easy listening station > built around classical music, and it was a huge hit. WCRB peaked at > number 7 with a 4.5 audience share. > >> If I heard Horowitz play "Polonaise" on Tuesday morning, I could >> predict that I would hear it again that night, the next day, and the >> day following. All of that has blessedly changed under WGBH's >> ownership, > > In December 2006, WCRB was sold for $100 million to Greater Media, > which immediately moved its "Country 99.5" WKLB to 102.5, replacing > WCRB. The classical format and the WCRB call letters were given to > Nassau Broadcasting along with the 99.5 station in a complex deal in > which Greater Media got a Nassau-owned station in the Phaldelphia > market. Nassau's programming formula was similar to Mario's, but with > some changes to the playlist. Nassau sold WCRB 99.5 FM to WGBH for $14 > million in December, 2009. > > Nassau's WCRB had been pulling a consistent 3 share, but WGBH's WCRB > has never been able to approach that. WCRB's share since 2009 has > generally been in the high 1's to low 2's. > >> The same thing was true on Maine's W-BACH stations for quite some time >> until Bill Binnie bought them. The playlist has improved considerably >> since. To his credit, Binnie seems to take his ownership of the >> stations >> seriously. > > W-BACH was also onwned by Nassau; for a time it was programmed out of > WCRB's Waltham studios. When Binnie bought it, he replaced Nassau's > format with Mario's 1997 WCRB format, which W-BACH runs to this day. > > Binnie is dropping W-BACH's classical format on February 28. The > stations will be flipping to something else. > > The Mario format can still be heard on WFCC (Cape Cod), WCRI (Block > Island), WBQK (Williamsburg, VA), and WSCS (New London, NH). > > > Rob > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 18 23:36:11 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:36:11 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that classical music listeners want music, not talk. I used to keep WCRB on in my office. Under Ted Jones, they occasionally got into something where they started talking about the music for a lengthy period, and that occasionally caused me to tune to one of the other classical stations that were available then. Since the WCRB signal got a bit dicey in 2007, when I moved my office from Government Center to State Street, near Aquarium Station. So I started to see what I could find online. WCRB's online signal is more difficult to tune in, since you have to click on several links to get it. I prefer a station that I can get on Screamer Radio, which I can set to come on automatically when I turn on the computer. I now listen mostly to KUSC, Los Angeles, at the University of Southern California. But when they do fundraising, I find another station to listen to. Fundraising is long periods of talking, which is not what I want. A few commercials and back to the music doesn't bother me. But long periods of talking do, especially when they repeat their pitch over and over. When my mother used to nag me, I could get her to stop by doing whatever it was she was nagging me to do. But you can't stop the nagging of radio fundraisers by making a pledge. On 1/18/2017 3:27 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> So what did WGBH do that caused the drop in share? > > I have no connection with WGBH, so I don't know any more about what > they did than any other listener. But it's clear they wanted a clean > break from what Nassau was doing, as they asked Nassau to sign off > before midnight on November 30, 2009, and turn the station over to > them with the transmitter shut down. Nassau asked me to do that; there > were no Nassau employees left in town. I was a contract engineer and > reported to Nassau's VP/Engineering in Princeton. > > I went to the site that evening, shut down the station as planned, and > turned over the keys. The WGBH engineers who met me clearly had plans > for changes, but they didn't tell me anything. > > Before Mark Edwards, Nassau's program director for WCRB, left for the > last time several days earlier, I had him record a sign-off message > and added one last piece of music: the movement "Gute Nacht, O Wesen" > from Bach's motet, "Jesu meine Freude", BWV 227. Even so, the > automation playlist ended well before midnight, so I ended up shutting > down early. I gave the keys to the WGBH guys, went home, and went to > sleep. > > Some time before 6 AM the station went back on the air. Laura Carlo, > the morning host, was the only ex-Nassau announcer to continue with > WGBH, although they added former WCRB announcers Larry King (who had > never worked for Nassau) and Ray Brown (who had left Nassau before the > sale) later. I've no idea who was choosing the music, or how it was > done, but I do know they went through several managers and program > directors before hiring the fellow who manages WCRB today, whose name > escapes me. > > I do know this: while Charles River still owned WCRB, we had Coleman > Research do a number of focus groups, one goal of which was to > ascertain the degree to which commercials induce tune-out in a > classical format. The participants told us that while they didn't > especially care for commercials, they didn't generally tune out when > they heard them. However, what they really didn't like, and what was > pretty much guaranteed to make them tune out, was on-air fundraising. > Charles River had occasionally done some of it for the Boston > Symphony, but we never did it again once we learned how obnoxious our > listeners found it. We replaced the BSO fundraisers with an annual > Classical Cartoon Festival, which I understand WGBH's WCRB still does. > > However, WGBH's WCRB does do on-air fundraising. This may, or may not, > be reflected in the station's ratings. I wouldn't know. > > > Rob > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From richard@chonak.com Thu Jan 19 06:51:20 2017 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:51:20 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters Message-ID: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> The news graphics for channel 8.1/60.2/60.5 include the notation "WBTS TV Boston". Is that a real callsign now? --RC From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 19 08:00:32 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:00:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <861451e6-7c63-7d37-46c7-398d387962d6@attorneyross.com> References: <861451e6-7c63-7d37-46c7-398d387962d6@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Is WFCC still owned by Charles River Broadcasting? No, it's owned by Cape Cod Broadcasting (aka Sandab Communications), who bought it in 2007. Charles River Broadcasting survived as a subsidiary of Greater Media and was the formal licensee of WKLB until Greater Media's recent acquisition by Beaseley. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 19 08:03:25 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:03:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try WSCS (http://www.classicalwscs.org/). I think I can guarantee you won't hear much talk there. Rob On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > I think that classical music listeners want music, not talk. I used to keep > WCRB on in my office. Under Ted Jones, they occasionally got into something > where they started talking about the music for a lengthy period, and that > occasionally caused me to tune to one of the other classical stations that > were available then. > > Since the WCRB signal got a bit dicey in 2007, when I moved my office from > Government Center to State Street, near Aquarium Station. So I started to > see what I could find online. WCRB's online signal is more difficult to tune > in, since you have to click on several links to get it. I prefer a station > that I can get on Screamer Radio, which I can set to come on automatically > when I turn on the computer. > > I now listen mostly to KUSC, Los Angeles, at the University of Southern > California. But when they do fundraising, I find another station to listen > to. Fundraising is long periods of talking, which is not what I want. A few > commercials and back to the music doesn't bother me. But long periods of > talking do, especially when they repeat their pitch over and over. When my > mother used to nag me, I could get her to stop by doing whatever it was she > was nagging me to do. But you can't stop the nagging of radio fundraisers by > making a pledge. > > > On 1/18/2017 3:27 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >>> So what did WGBH do that caused the drop in share? >> >> I have no connection with WGBH, so I don't know any more about what they >> did than any other listener. But it's clear they wanted a clean break from >> what Nassau was doing, as they asked Nassau to sign off before midnight on >> November 30, 2009, and turn the station over to them with the transmitter >> shut down. Nassau asked me to do that; there were no Nassau employees left >> in town. I was a contract engineer and reported to Nassau's VP/Engineering >> in Princeton. >> >> I went to the site that evening, shut down the station as planned, and >> turned over the keys. The WGBH engineers who met me clearly had plans for >> changes, but they didn't tell me anything. >> >> Before Mark Edwards, Nassau's program director for WCRB, left for the last >> time several days earlier, I had him record a sign-off message and added >> one last piece of music: the movement "Gute Nacht, O Wesen" from Bach's >> motet, "Jesu meine Freude", BWV 227. Even so, the automation playlist ended >> well before midnight, so I ended up shutting down early. I gave the keys to >> the WGBH guys, went home, and went to sleep. >> >> Some time before 6 AM the station went back on the air. Laura Carlo, the >> morning host, was the only ex-Nassau announcer to continue with WGBH, >> although they added former WCRB announcers Larry King (who had never worked >> for Nassau) and Ray Brown (who had left Nassau before the sale) later. I've >> no idea who was choosing the music, or how it was done, but I do know they >> went through several managers and program directors before hiring the >> fellow who manages WCRB today, whose name escapes me. >> >> I do know this: while Charles River still owned WCRB, we had Coleman >> Research do a number of focus groups, one goal of which was to ascertain >> the degree to which commercials induce tune-out in a classical format. The >> participants told us that while they didn't especially care for >> commercials, they didn't generally tune out when they heard them. However, >> what they really didn't like, and what was pretty much guaranteed to make >> them tune out, was on-air fundraising. Charles River had occasionally done >> some of it for the Boston Symphony, but we never did it again once we >> learned how obnoxious our listeners found it. We replaced the BSO >> fundraisers with an annual Classical Cartoon Festival, which I understand >> WGBH's WCRB still does. >> >> However, WGBH's WCRB does do on-air fundraising. This may, or may not, be >> reflected in the station's ratings. I wouldn't know. >> >> >> Rob >> >> > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 07:35:23 2017 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:35:23 +0000 Subject: WCRB (Was Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Rob Landry wrote: > I've no idea who was choosing the music, or how it was done, but I do know they went through several managers and program directors before hiring the fellow who manages WCRB today, whose name escapes me. The program director at WCRB today is Tony Rudel, who has been there for several years now. I really liked your story, Rob, and appreciate you sharing it with the group (again? I'm not sure, but I truly liked reading it). Mike From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 19 08:27:57 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:27:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: WCRB (Was Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, Michael Wilkins wrote: > The?program director?at WCRB?today is Tony Rudel, who has been there for > several years now. Yes, that's the fellow I had in mind. He had several short-lived predecessors, one of whom was kicked sideways into a position on the TV side. > I really liked your story, Rob, and appreciate you sharing it with the group > (again? I'm not sure, but I truly liked reading it). Oh, I think I've told it here before, but not recently. You're welcome. Rob From map@mapinternet.com Thu Jan 19 11:51:16 2017 From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:51:16 -0500 Subject: On-air fundraising, ratings, etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37C95C385FC14E0C922672620923C8A6@laptop> Rob, Thank-You for the interesting recent history of WCRB. In the 90's and before, 102.5 was one Boston frequency that had no co-channel or first adjacent competition in the Springfield area, so some folks out here listened to it. The only other Boston stations, listenable in some spots, were 98.5 and 89.7. In 1987, After the Springfield Technical Community College administration hatched a plan to sell Community & Variety WTCC, 90.7, 4000w, a group of students, some of us, adult students, got together to "save" the station. Aside from the obvious goal of convincing the administration and board of trustees to retain the station, we had to come up with a plan whereby WTCC would support itself. We had no resources for a ratings subscription to prove what we were doing, but we had to make the station attractive to listeners, so we blocked the programming as much as we could. Myself and the 2 or 3 other station members who were programming the station came to the same conclusion that the focus group you mentioned did--listeners do not like on-air fundraising. But, our estimated budget would not get us totally out of on-air fundraising. So, we limited it to one week a year, and even that week is not all fundraising, but more of a programming mix like public TV does. The other part of the budget was increased underwriting. It all worked. WTCC is a community station owned by STCC, with a mix of R&B, Gospel, Spanish, Polish, Portuguese, Jazz, Specialty and Variety programs and is still self-funded with the same mix of underwriting and a once a year week long "radiothon". I don't know what the numbers are now, but for the first 10 years after 1987, the Gospel, R&B, and Polish programs brought in the most pledges. It has a good signal from Northampton to Hartford, and the eastern Berkshires to Palmer. Mark Casey K1MAP I do know this: while Charles River still owned WCRB, we had Coleman Research do a number of focus groups, one goal of which was to ascertain the degree to which commercials induce tune-out in a classical format. The participants told us that while they didn't especially care for commercials, they didn't generally tune out when they heard them. However, what they really didn't like, and what was pretty much guaranteed to make them tune out, was on-air fundraising. Charles River had occasionally done some of it for the Boston Symphony, but we never did it again once we learned how obnoxious our listeners found it. We replaced the BSO fundraisers with an annual Classical Cartoon Festival, which I understand WGBH's WCRB still does. However, WGBH's WCRB does do on-air fundraising. This may, or may not, be reflected in the station's ratings. I wouldn't know. Rob ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13799 - Release Date: 01/19/17 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 19 21:54:15 2017 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:54:15 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters In-Reply-To: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> References: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> Message-ID: <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The news graphics for channel 8.1/60.2/60.5 include the notation "WBTS TV Boston". > Is that a real callsign now? Nope. Still WBTS-LD. -GAWollman From w1hai@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 21:41:23 2017 From: w1hai@yahoo.com (joe weisse) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 02:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Fw: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB References: <1473286136.236089.1484880083422.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1473286136.236089.1484880083422@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, My less talk stream is wfcr hd-2 from the once called "Beethoven Network." The direct stream is at: http://nepr.net/player/wfcr-hd/index.html In my view it has a nice mix of familiar and rare works with choral mixed in. In hour-long blocks it is always challenging. Joe An amateur radio operator since 1966. --- On Thu, 1/19/17, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > From: Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > Subject: Re: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > To: "A Joseph Ross" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017, 8:03 AM > > Try WSCS > (http://www.classicalwscs.org/). I think > I can guarantee you > won't hear much > talk there. > > > Rob > > > On > Wed, 18 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > > I think that classical music listeners > want music, not talk.? I used to keep > > > WCRB on in my office.? Under Ted Jones, they occasionally > got into something > > where they started > talking about the music for a lengthy period, and that > > occasionally caused me to tune to one of > the other classical stations that > > were > available then. > > > > > Since the WCRB signal got a bit dicey in 2007, when I moved > my office from > > Government Center to > State Street, near Aquarium Station.? So I started to > > see what I could find online.? WCRB's > online signal is more difficult to tune > > in, since you have to click on several > links to get it.? I prefer a station > > > that I can get on Screamer Radio, which I can set to come on > automatically > > when I turn on the > computer. > > > > I now > listen mostly to KUSC, Los Angeles, at the University of > Southern > > California.? But when they > do fundraising, I find another station to listen > > to.? Fundraising is long periods of > talking, which is not what I want.? A few > > commercials and back to the music > doesn't bother me.? But long periods of > > talking do, especially when they repeat > their pitch over and over.? When my > > > mother used to nag me, I could get her to stop by doing > whatever it was she > > was nagging me to > do.? But you can't stop the nagging of radio > fundraisers by > > making a pledge. > > > > > > > On 1/18/2017 3:27 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 18 > Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> > >>> So what did WGBH do that caused > the drop in share? > >> > >> I have no connection with WGBH, so I > don't know any more about what they > >> did than any other listener. But > it's clear they wanted a clean break from > >> what Nassau was doing, as they asked > Nassau to sign off before midnight on > >> November 30, 2009, and turn the > station over to them with the transmitter > >> shut down. Nassau asked me to do that; > there were no Nassau employees left > >> in town. I was a contract engineer and > reported to Nassau's VP/Engineering > >> in Princeton. > >> > > >> I went to the site that evening, > shut down the station as planned, and > >> turned over the keys. The WGBH > engineers who met me clearly had plans for > >> changes, but they didn't tell me > anything. > >> > >> > Before Mark Edwards, Nassau's program director for WCRB, > left for the last > >> time several > days earlier, I had him record a sign-off message and added > > >> one last piece of music: the > movement "Gute Nacht, O Wesen" from Bach's > >> motet, "Jesu meine Freude", > BWV 227. Even so, the automation playlist ended > >> well before midnight, so I ended up > shutting down early. I gave the keys to > >> the WGBH guys, went home, and went to > sleep. > >> > >> > Some time before 6 AM the station went back on the air. > Laura Carlo, the > >> morning host, was > the only ex-Nassau announcer to continue with WGBH, > >> although they added former WCRB > announcers Larry King (who had never worked > >> for Nassau) and Ray Brown (who had > left Nassau before the sale) later. I've > >> no idea who was choosing the music, or > how it was done, but I do know they > >> went through several managers and > program directors before hiring the > >> fellow who manages WCRB today, whose > name escapes me. > >> > >> I do know this: while Charles River > still owned WCRB, we had Coleman > >> > Research do a number of focus groups, one goal of which was > to ascertain > >> the degree to which > commercials induce tune-out in a classical format. The > >> participants told us that while they > didn't especially care for > >> > commercials, they didn't generally tune out when they > heard them. However, > >> what they > really didn't like, and what was pretty much guaranteed > to make > >> them tune out, was on-air > fundraising. Charles River had occasionally done > >> some of it for the Boston Symphony, > but we never did it again once we > >> > learned how obnoxious our listeners found it. We replaced > the BSO > >> fundraisers with an annual > Classical Cartoon Festival, which I understand > >> WGBH's WCRB still does. > >> > >> However, > WGBH's WCRB does do on-air fundraising. This may, or may > not, be > >> reflected in the > station's ratings. I wouldn't know. > >> > >> > >> Rob > >> > >> > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, > J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 22:43:24 2017 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:43:24 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters In-Reply-To: <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I have not seen a legal ID on NBC Boston since the switch but I am getting the Comcast direct fiber feed. I assume the actual OTA signal inserts a graphic at the respective transmitters, Master control for the station is in Colorado where NBC hubs all their O&O's. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > The news graphics for channel 8.1/60.2/60.5 include the notation "WBTS > TV Boston". > > Is that a real callsign now? > > Nope. Still WBTS-LD. > > -GAWollman > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 19 23:17:27 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:17:27 -0500 Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78c5e0dc-cb89-0997-e34e-d25ee8acc0c8@attorneyross.com> I have a button on my car radio for WHRB, and I sometimes turn to it when I don't like what WCRB is playing. I think they still play jazz in the morning, and sometimes they have some other Harvard-oriented programming. One time several years ago, I turned to WHRB and heard some talk that I liked. It was a program, apparently circa 1965, in tribute to the poet T. S. Elliot, and the speaker was Groucho Marx. He and Elliot (whom he called "Tom") were fans of each other, and when they met, it's a tossup who was more thrilled. On 1/19/2017 9:19 PM, Don wrote: > Since we have a few classical music aficionados on the list, I'd be > interested in your thoughts... > > When I scan, I quite often come across WHRB 95.3 playing Classical > music during the day. They seem to play some funky stuff and unusual > classical pieces...and some longer pieces. > > The stationality and presentation are pretty plain vanilla...but > considering they are non-commercial, I wondered if it would be a good > option for those that like classical music/radio.... > > I think WHRB has always been overlooked....in my memory anyhow. ;-) > > Any opinions ? > > D -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From astelle.donald@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 21:19:57 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:19:57 -0500 Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Message-ID: Since we have a few classical music aficionados on the list, I'd be interested in your thoughts... When I scan, I quite often come across WHRB 95.3 playing Classical music during the day. They seem to play some funky stuff and unusual classical pieces...and some longer pieces. The stationality and presentation are pretty plain vanilla...but considering they are non-commercial, I wondered if it would be a good option for those that like classical music/radio.... I think WHRB has always been overlooked....in my memory anyhow. ;-) Any opinions ? D From elipolo881@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 14:26:41 2017 From: elipolo881@gmail.com (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:26:41 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Message-ID: ?Actually, the first incarnation of 1330 after WCRB (AM) in 1975 was WHET, Big Band and Standards/Nostalgia music. A couple of years later that became a more contemporary Easy Listening format, then it became Country station WDLW in the late '70s. Around 1990 it became WRCA with a "Show Biz" format including comedy, soundtracks, original cast recordings, etc... in C-Quam AM stereo! That lasted only a couple of years, then WRCA became brokered programming. EP On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: > > Originally an AM station at 1330, the FM at 102.5 was added in 1954. The > AM station was sold in the mid 1970's and became WDLW (now WRCA). > > From ashboy1951@gmail.com Fri Jan 20 08:05:20 2017 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:05:20 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks/WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Message-ID: I sometimes listen to WFCR 88.5 when I'm visiting out in western Mass. But as I'm not a consistent listener, a question: Where does most of its programming originate? Doug From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 20 16:31:59 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:31:59 -0500 Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55834b7a-bfd2-bc11-1141-114e5667c0ec@attorneyross.com> As I recall, WHET was still under Charles River Broadcasting ownership and simulcasted some programming with WCRB (FM). It was the result of an FCC regulation mandating separate programming on AM-FM combos for a certain number of hours per day in large markets. On 1/19/2017 2:26 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > ?Actually, the first incarnation of 1330 after WCRB (AM) in 1975 > was WHET, Big Band and Standards/Nostalgia music. A couple > of years later that became a more contemporary Easy Listening > format, then it became Country station WDLW in the late '70s. > > Around 1990 it became WRCA with a "Show Biz" format including > comedy, soundtracks, original cast recordings, etc... in C-Quam > AM stereo! That lasted only a couple of years, then WRCA became > brokered programming. > > EP > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: >> Originally an AM station at 1330, the FM at 102.5 was added in 1954. The >> AM station was sold in the mid 1970's and became WDLW (now WRCA). >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 |Newton, MA 02459-2004 617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From 011010001@interpring.com Fri Jan 20 16:40:31 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:40:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I happen to serve on WHRB's board of trustees. WHRB is student-operated and non-profit, but it has a commercial license and sells ads to pay its bills. The music is chosen by students, and while they have some guidelines they are largely free to program what they choose. The station is also managed by students; the Board of Trustees holds the license. The University does not own WHRB or support it beyond allowing it to maintain studios on campus. The transmitter site is in downtown Boston, paid for out of advertising revenue. Rob On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, Don wrote: > Since we have a few classical music aficionados on the > list, I'd be interested in your thoughts... > > When I scan, I quite often come across WHRB 95.3 playing > Classical music during the day.? They seem to play some > funky stuff and unusual classical pieces...and some > longer pieces. > > The stationality and presentation are pretty plain > vanilla...but considering they are non-commercial, I > wondered if it would be a good option for those that > like classical music/radio.... > > I think WHRB has always been overlooked....in my memory > anyhow.? ;-) > > Any opinions ?? > > D > > From 011010001@interpring.com Fri Jan 20 16:53:18 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:53:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <78c5e0dc-cb89-0997-e34e-d25ee8acc0c8@attorneyross.com> References: <78c5e0dc-cb89-0997-e34e-d25ee8acc0c8@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Thomas Stearns Eliot was a member of the Harvard ckass of 1910, unless I misremember. David Elliott, who was more than likely the host of that program, plays a fair amount of that sort of thing. His annual Christmas show used to include a Harvard professor's eloquent defense of Ebenezer Scrooge. WHRB's normal weeklyblineup is jazz 5AM - 1 PM; ckassical 1PM - 10 PM, and rock overnight. During reading and exam periods they have what they call Orgies: extended examinations if a particular composer or artist's work. Those can last several days. Rob On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, A Joseph Ross wrote: > I have a button on my car radio for WHRB, and I sometimes > turn to it when I don't like what WCRB is playing. I > think they still play jazz in the morning, and sometimes > they have some other Harvard-oriented programming. > > One time several years ago, I turned to WHRB and heard > some talk that I liked. It was a program, apparently > circa 1965, in tribute to the poet T. S. Elliot, and the > speaker was Groucho Marx. He and Elliot (whom he called > "Tom") were fans of each other, and when they met, it's a > tossup who was more thrilled. > > > On 1/19/2017 9:19 PM, Don wrote: >> Since we have a few classical music aficionados on the >> list, I'd be interested in your thoughts... >> >> When I scan, I quite often come across WHRB 95.3 >> playing Classical music during the day. They seem to >> play some funky stuff and unusual classical >> pieces...and some longer pieces. >> >> The stationality and presentation are pretty plain >> vanilla...but considering they are non-commercial, I >> wondered if it would be a good option for those that >> like classical music/radio.... >> >> I think WHRB has always been overlooked....in my memory >> anyhow. ;-) >> >> Any opinions ? >> >> D > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | > Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | > http://www.attorneyross.com > From 011010001@interpring.com Fri Jan 20 17:03:13 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:03:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WHET was still Charles River Broadcasting. Not until they sold it did 1330 become WDLW. DLW were the initials of the buyer's girlfriend. Rob On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, Eli Polonsky wrote: > ?Actually, the first incarnation of 1330 after WCRB (AM) in 1975 > was WHET, Big Band and Standards/Nostalgia music. A couple > of years later that became a more contemporary Easy Listening > format, then it became Country station WDLW in the late '70s. > > Around 1990 it became WRCA with a "Show Biz" format including > comedy, soundtracks, original cast recordings, etc... in C-Quam > AM stereo! That lasted only a couple of years, then WRCA became > brokered programming. > > EP > > On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Doug Drown wrote: >> >> Originally an AM station at 1330, the FM at 102.5 was added in 1954. The >> AM station was sold in the mid 1970's and became WDLW (now WRCA). >> >> > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jan 20 19:51:14 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:51:14 -0500 Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: References: <78c5e0dc-cb89-0997-e34e-d25ee8acc0c8@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <02f901d27380$784d0f90$68e72eb0$@comcast.net> Many times I've heard very explicit unedited rap after 10 on WHRB, so it isn't just "rock." That must be quite jarring to anyone who normally listens to them for classical music! I understand the after 10 PM rules, but they really take it to the extreme. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Rob Landry Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 4:53 PM To: A Joseph Ross Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB Thomas Stearns Eliot was a member of the Harvard ckass of 1910, unless I misremember. David Elliott, who was more than likely the host of that program, plays a fair amount of that sort of thing. His annual Christmas show used to include a Harvard professor's eloquent defense of Ebenezer Scrooge. WHRB's normal weeklyblineup is jazz 5AM - 1 PM; ckassical 1PM - 10 PM, and rock overnight. During reading and exam periods they have what they call Orgies: extended examinations if a particular composer or artist's work. Those can last several days. Rob From astelle.donald@gmail.com Fri Jan 20 21:00:03 2017 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:00:03 -0500 Subject: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB In-Reply-To: <02f901d27380$784d0f90$68e72eb0$@comcast.net> References: <78c5e0dc-cb89-0997-e34e-d25ee8acc0c8@attorneyross.com> <02f901d27380$784d0f90$68e72eb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have been in the car in the evening, and doing my typical scan...and have also heard profanity in the programming. I send an email the enxt day to the GM...and never heard anything back. Now that Jeff has said he has heard it...I wonder if this is a recurring thing.... On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Many times I've heard very explicit unedited rap after 10 on WHRB, so it > isn't just "rock." That must be quite jarring to anyone who normally > listens > to them for classical music! I understand the after 10 PM rules, but they > really take it to the extreme. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Rob Landry > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 4:53 PM > To: A Joseph Ross > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Classical (was: Fairbanks WKLB/WCLB & WCRB > > Thomas Stearns Eliot was a member of the Harvard ckass of 1910, unless I > misremember. > > David Elliott, who was more than likely the host of that program, plays a > fair amount of that sort of thing. His annual Christmas show used to > include > a Harvard professor's eloquent defense of Ebenezer Scrooge. > > WHRB's normal weeklyblineup is jazz 5AM - 1 PM; ckassical 1PM - 10 PM, and > rock overnight. During reading and exam periods they have what they call > Orgies: extended examinations if a particular composer or artist's work. > Those can last several days. > > > Rob > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 21 01:09:40 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:09:40 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters In-Reply-To: <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: What are the rules on the various "suffixes" that go on call letters? There used to be just -FM and -TV. Now there's -HD, -DT, -LP, and maybe a few others. On 1/19/2017 9:54 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> The news graphics for channel 8.1/60.2/60.5 include the notation "WBTS TV Boston". >> Is that a real callsign now? > Nope. Still WBTS-LD. > > -GAWollman > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 21 01:13:35 2017 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:13:35 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters In-Reply-To: References: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: In fact, what's "-LD"? On 1/21/2017 1:09 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > What are the rules on the various "suffixes" that go on call letters? > There used to be just -FM and -TV. Now there's -HD, -DT, -LP, and > maybe a few others. > > > On 1/19/2017 9:54 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> <> said: >> >>> The news graphics for channel 8.1/60.2/60.5 include the notation >>> "WBTS TV Boston". >>> Is that a real callsign now? >> Nope. Still WBTS-LD. >> >> -GAWollman >> >> > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jan 21 06:14:30 2017 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 06:14:30 -0500 Subject: NBC Boston call letters In-Reply-To: References: <0qis98iyspudrmd6g36pk41t.1484826680564@email.android.com> <22657.31703.582878.410459@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <040901d273d7$8a174770$9e45d650$@comcast.net> Low Power, Digital. Jeff Lehmann -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A Joseph Ross Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:14 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: NBC Boston call letters In fact, what's "-LD"? From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 24 13:44:14 2017 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:44:14 -0500 Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater Message-ID: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Yesterday while listening to WUMB via streaming they went to dead air around 10 AM for a while (I don?t know how long). I didn?t think much of it, and switched to another station. Today going into the 10 AM hour Brendan Hogan announced that coming up was the midday show with Perry Percoff. And when Perry began the show he said he would be hosting the midday show for a while, with no mention of substituting for Dave or anything like that. My first thought was that maybe Dave had a medical emergency while on the air, but that?s just conjecture. Does anyone know what happened? Larry Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 24 15:36:39 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:36:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Larry Weil wrote: > Yesterday while listening to WUMB via streaming they went to dead air > around 10 AM for a while (I don?t know how long). I didn?t think much > of it, and switched to another station. There was a problem with the STL receiver in Quincy. We switched to the backup. > Today going into the 10 AM hour Brendan Hogan announced that coming up > was the midday show with Perry Percoff. And when Perry began the show > he said he would be hosting the midday show for a while, with no mention > of substituting for Dave or anything like that. Perry is the default substitute whenever one of the jocks takes the day off. I doubt anything's happened to Dave, but since I'm working at WUMB tomorrow, I'll find out soon enough. Rob From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 24 17:34:35 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:34:35 -0500 Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: Since someone from WUMB is listening to this thread... The website calendar shows Dave at his proper time, but when you click on his individual page, it says "The Morning Show 6AM - 10AM". -Bob On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Larry Weil wrote: > > Yesterday while listening to WUMB via streaming they went to dead air >> around 10 AM for a while (I don?t know how long). I didn?t think much of >> it, and switched to another station. >> > > There was a problem with the STL receiver in Quincy. We switched to the > backup. > > Today going into the 10 AM hour Brendan Hogan announced that coming up was >> the midday show with Perry Percoff. And when Perry began the show he said >> he would be hosting the midday show for a while, with no mention of >> substituting for Dave or anything like that. >> > > Perry is the default substitute whenever one of the jocks takes the day > off. I doubt anything's happened to Dave, but since I'm working at WUMB > tomorrow, I'll find out soon enough. > > > Rob > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 24 18:59:03 2017 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:59:03 -0500 Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: > On Jan 24, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Larry Weil wrote: > >> Yesterday while listening to WUMB via streaming they went to dead air around 10 AM for a while (I don?t know how long). I didn?t think much of it, and switched to another station. > > There was a problem with the STL receiver in Quincy. We switched to the backup. > So this says the streaming originates from the transmitter site and not from the studio? Why would this be? Thanks, Larry Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 24 22:08:35 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:08:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, the Web site is not my bailiwick. It's maintained by an outside contractor. I'll pass your observation along to management. Rob On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Since someone from WUMB is listening to this thread... > > The website calendar shows Dave at his proper time, but when you click on > his individual page, it says "The Morning Show 6AM - 10AM". > > -Bob > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Larry Weil wrote: > > Yesterday while listening to WUMB via streaming they > went to dead air around 10 AM for a while (I don?t > know how long).? I didn?t think much of it, and > switched to another station. > > > There was a problem with the STL receiver in Quincy. We switched > to the backup. > > Today going into the 10 AM hour Brendan Hogan > announced that coming up was the midday show with > Perry Percoff.? And when Perry began the show he > said he would be hosting the midday show for a > while, with no mention of substituting for Dave or > anything like that. > > > Perry is the default substitute whenever one of the jocks takes > the day off. I doubt anything's happened to Dave, but since I'm > working at WUMB tomorrow, I'll find out soon enough. > > > Rob > > > > From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 24 22:16:36 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:16:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Larry Weil wrote: > So this says the streaming originates from the transmitter site and not > from the studio? ?Why would this be? I like to originate streams from transmitter sites because that insures that if a station is compelled to use an alternate studio, it can still feed the streams. But I didn't make that decision for WUMB, so I can't help you there. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Jan 25 13:00:28 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:00:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: WUMB/Dave Palmater In-Reply-To: References: <79A644FF-B7DB-4E0D-BD50-DE6FA6ECAF91@mac.com> Message-ID: Dave is only taking some off. Perry is filling in for him. Rob From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 25 23:46:46 2017 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:46:46 -0500 Subject: Loren and... Message-ID: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that Beasley's WROR still has yet to remove the great but now-retired Wally Brine's name from the morning show? Just sayin'. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 01:08:14 2017 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:08:14 -0900 Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kidd Kraddick has been dead 3 1/2 years and they still call the syndicated morning show he hosted "The Kidd Kraddick Morning Show". On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:46 PM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that Beasley's WROR still has > yet to remove the great but now-retired Wally Brine's name from the morning > show? Just sayin'. > > Bill O'Neill > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 26 06:46:07 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:46:07 -0500 Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: And it's still "Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve", although Mr .Clark passed in 2014. I believe it was the intention of Beasley to keep the name of the show. -Bob On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > Kidd Kraddick has been dead 3 1/2 years and they still call the syndicated > morning show he hosted "The Kidd Kraddick Morning Show". > > > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:46 PM, billohno@gmail.com > wrote: > > > Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that Beasley's WROR still > has > > yet to remove the great but now-retired Wally Brine's name from the > morning > > show? Just sayin'. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > > > From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 26 11:39:56 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:39:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: When last I looked, the signon the building still said Greater Media, Inc. Rob On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that Beasley's WROR still has yet to remove the great but now-retired Wally Brine's name from the morning show? Just sayin'. > > Bill O'Neill > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 26 16:15:42 2017 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:15:42 -0500 Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: The sale closed on November 1st. https://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/108958/beasley-closes-on-greater-media-purchase-makes-multiple-staff-moves/ -Bob On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > When last I looked, the signon the building still said Greater Media, Inc. > > > Rob > > > > On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > > Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that Beasley's WROR still has >> yet to remove the great but now-retired Wally Brine's name from the morning >> show? Just sayin'. >> >> Bill O'Neill >> >> From 011010001@interpring.com Thu Jan 26 17:05:00 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:05:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, but the sign on the studio building on Morrissey Boulevard hasn't been changed to reflect that, unless it's happened since last Wednesday. Nor has any mention of WRCA 1330 been added to it. Speaking of which... last I heard, 1330 was off the air. Is it for sale? Rob On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Bob DeMattia wrote: > The sale closed on November 1st. > > https://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/108958/beasley-closes-on-greater-me > dia-purchase-makes-multiple-staff-moves/ > > -Bob > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > wrote: > > When last I looked, the signon the building still said Greater > Media, Inc. > > > Rob > > > On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > > Is it just me or it getting just a bit weird that > Beasley's WROR still has yet to remove the great but > now-retired Wally Brine's name from the morning > show? Just sayin'. > > Bill O'Neill > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 26 17:49:53 2017 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:49:53 -0500 Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008b01d27826$833eff80$89bcfe80$@comcast.net> Rob Landry wrote: Nor has any mention of WRCA 1330 been added to it. Speaking of which... last I heard, 1330 was off the air. Is it for sale? Beasley took WRCA dark on November 15th with the plan of bringing it back on the air once their FM translator is built. The rumors at the time they took 1330 dark was to return with an urban AC format on 1330 & the translator, but Entercom recently beat them to the punch when they dropped the WAAF simulcast on WKAF 99.7 to go urban AC. No word on what they will do format wise now, nor a date on when 1330 returns to the air. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jan 26 18:57:51 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:57:51 -0500 Subject: Loren and... In-Reply-To: <008b01d27826$833eff80$89bcfe80$@comcast.net> References: <8D28A3CA-5FA1-433D-AB91-AC8900D81612@gmail.com> <008b01d27826$833eff80$89bcfe80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Top of hr ID on at least one of their FMs has been saying Beasley for awhile now. On Jan 26, 2017 6:22 PM, "Mark Watson" wrote: > Rob Landry wrote: > Nor has any mention of WRCA 1330 been added to it. > Speaking of which... last I heard, 1330 was off the air. Is it for sale? > > Beasley took WRCA dark on November 15th with the plan of bringing it back > on > the air once their FM translator is built. The rumors at the time they took > 1330 dark was to return with an urban AC format on 1330 & the translator, > but Entercom recently beat them to the punch when they dropped the WAAF > simulcast on WKAF 99.7 to go urban AC. No word on what they will do format > wise now, nor a date on when 1330 returns to the air. > Mark Watson > > From michaeldmalone@hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 13:26:03 2017 From: michaeldmalone@hotmail.com (Michael Malone) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:26:03 +0000 Subject: Hank Stolz out at WCRN, Fox25 simulcast starts tomorrow Message-ID: Hank Stolz is out as morning man on Worcester's WCRN (830 AM). He was told Monday morning that the show was being terminated but was allowed to do a last show today. A simulcast of the Fox 25 Morning show starts tomorrow on WCRN. I think this pretty much is the end of any non infomercial local programming on WCRN. https://worcestermag.com/2017/01/24/wcrn-radio-jettisons-hank-stolz-fox25-simulcast [https://worcestermag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/DSC_3338.jpg] WCRN radio jettisons Hank Stolz for Fox25 simulcast - Worcester Mag worcestermag.com Above, WCRN talk show host Hank Stolz, right, aired his last show Tuesday morning, Jan. 24/Worcester Magazine file photo Longtime morning talk show host Ha From bob&wtbs*@clements.org Tue Jan 31 16:48:52 2017 From: bob&wtbs*@clements.org (Bob Clements) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:48:52 -0500 Subject: WJIB? Message-ID: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> I hope I'm not being too impolite ... But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. What's happening? Are the pirates blocking progress? Is Bob still short of cash? And, could someone please remind me of the expected FM freq, so I can check it occasionally. Last time I checked, in the west of Boston, and on Mem Drive, I didn't hear the bad guys at all. Maybe they weren't on at the time I listened. I may have been listening to the wrong freq. I'll send some more bux if that'll help. Tnx, /Rcc From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 18:19:51 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:19:51 -0500 Subject: WJIB? In-Reply-To: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> References: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> Message-ID: Bob said on Facebook it may still be a few months off.Someone noticed they were off air, and Bob said the reason was people were working on his tower--putting in bays for WNTN which will diplex from it (new owners, different power).Then he said as far as his FM translator goes it still is some months away. On Jan 31, 2017 6:12 PM, "Bob Clements" wrote: > I hope I'm not being too impolite ... > > But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a > while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. > > What's happening? > > Are the pirates blocking progress? > > Is Bob still short of cash? > > And, could someone please remind me of the expected FM freq, so I > can check it occasionally. Last time I checked, in the west of > Boston, and on Mem Drive, I didn't hear the bad guys at all. > Maybe they weren't on at the time I listened. I may have been > listening to the wrong freq. > > I'll send some more bux if that'll help. > > Tnx, > /Rcc > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 18:21:59 2017 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:21:59 -0500 Subject: WJIB? In-Reply-To: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> References: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> Message-ID: The pirate is still being heard north of Boston.Also Bob had said he had to wait for a Milford repeater to hit the air.They have, but the FM translator for WJIB is still a little ways off. On Jan 31, 2017 6:12 PM, "Bob Clements" wrote: > I hope I'm not being too impolite ... > > But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a > while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. > > What's happening? > > Are the pirates blocking progress? > > Is Bob still short of cash? > > And, could someone please remind me of the expected FM freq, so I > can check it occasionally. Last time I checked, in the west of > Boston, and on Mem Drive, I didn't hear the bad guys at all. > Maybe they weren't on at the time I listened. I may have been > listening to the wrong freq. > > I'll send some more bux if that'll help. > > Tnx, > /Rcc > From 011010001@interpring.com Tue Jan 31 20:17:36 2017 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:17:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: WJIB? In-Reply-To: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> References: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Bob Clements wrote: > But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a > while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. According to the FCC Web site, Bob filed an application on January 29, 2016, to move his Freeport, ME translator, W252BT, to Channel 267 (101.3 FM) in Cambridge, MA. The application was granted on March 8, 2016, but three weeks ago I was listening to it at the train station in Brunswick, ME, so the translator is still on the air in Freeport. Bob may be waiting for a window to open up so he can apply for a new translator in Freeport before he moves this one. Rob From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 31 21:13:08 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:13:08 -0500 Subject: WJIB? In-Reply-To: References: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> Message-ID: That would be an entirely reasonable guess, Rob. ;) There was no requirement, contra Bob's inaccurate assertion, for the Cambridge translator to wait for its co-channel neighbor in Milford to sign on. On Jan 31, 2017 8:57 PM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Bob Clements wrote: > > But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a >> while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. >> > > According to the FCC Web site, Bob filed an application on January 29, > 2016, to move his Freeport, ME translator, W252BT, to Channel 267 (101.3 > FM) in Cambridge, MA. The application was granted on March 8, 2016, but > three weeks ago I was listening to it at the train station in Brunswick, > ME, so the translator is still on the air in Freeport. > > Bob may be waiting for a window to open up so he can apply for a new > translator in Freeport before he moves this one. > > > Rob > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 31 19:44:47 2017 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:44:47 -0500 Subject: WJIB? In-Reply-To: References: <20170131214852.7A5C6B81C@mail.l> Message-ID: It will be on 101.3 when it signs on. There's another regulatory hurdle yet to be jumped before it can be moved from its present location in Maine. Until the FCC announces its next filing window, everything remains on hold for now. On Jan 31, 2017 6:12 PM, "Bob Clements" wrote: I hope I'm not being too impolite ... But January has come and gone, and I haven't seen anything in a while on the issue of WJIB 740 and its FM friend lately. What's happening? Are the pirates blocking progress? Is Bob still short of cash? And, could someone please remind me of the expected FM freq, so I can check it occasionally. Last time I checked, in the west of Boston, and on Mem Drive, I didn't hear the bad guys at all. Maybe they weren't on at the time I listened. I may have been listening to the wrong freq. I'll send some more bux if that'll help. Tnx, /Rcc