From billohno@gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:51:44 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 10:51:44 -0500 Subject: WFAD Message-ID: WFAD (1490 Middlebury) is a 1 kW fulltimer that's been silent for quite awhile. I just noticed a 12/2/16 granting of an FM translator, W266CU-FM (101.1 Middlebury) 250 watts. It would be nice to get the local signal back again. We live about 10 miles SE so it looks like we'll get a decent signal. The question is, what will Radio Broadcasting Services, Inc. do with the signals? They've recently put WCAT 1390 Burlington) dark but are still operating its FM translator, W252CJ (98.3 Burlington) under a jockless oldies format. By the sound of the jingle package, "Channel 98" they didn't come cheap so I'd think they'd be here for awhile. I think that format would fit very well into the Middlebury sub-market very well. WFAD's single tower and shack occupies prime Middlebury real estate in what is now known as a growing South Village; I'm pleasantly surprised that the little kilowatt daytimer dating back to the 60s didn't go the way of the now-deleted WIPS (1250 Ticonderoga). Bill O'Neill From 011010001@interpring.com Fri Dec 9 16:09:52 2016 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:09:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: WFAD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I take it this is Vermont we're speaking of? It's not normally legal for a translator to originate programming. If WCAT is no longer on the air, its translator cannot legally remain on the air except to relay some other station (perhaps an HD2?). Rob On Fri, 9 Dec 2016, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > WFAD (1490 Middlebury) is a 1 kW fulltimer that's been silent for quite awhile. I just noticed a 12/2/16 granting of an FM translator, W266CU-FM (101.1 Middlebury) 250 watts. It would be nice to get the local signal back again. We live about 10 miles SE so it looks like we'll get a decent signal. The question is, what will Radio Broadcasting Services, Inc. do with the signals? > > They've recently put WCAT 1390 Burlington) dark but are still operating > its FM translator, W252CJ (98.3 Burlington) under a jockless oldies > format. By the sound of the jingle package, "Channel 98" they didn't > come cheap so I'd think they'd be here for awhile. I think that format > would fit very well into the Middlebury sub-market very well. > > WFAD's single tower and shack occupies prime Middlebury real estate in what is now known as a growing South Village; I'm pleasantly surprised that the little kilowatt daytimer dating back to the 60s didn't go the way of the now-deleted WIPS (1250 Ticonderoga). > > Bill O'Neill > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Fri Dec 9 16:16:06 2016 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 16:16:06 -0500 Subject: WFAD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20161209155518.02d89d90@plymouthcolony.net> At 10:51 AM 12/9/2016, Bob Bittner wrote: >WFAD (1490 Middlebury) is a 1 kW fulltimer that's been silent for quite awhile. I just noticed a 12/2/16 granting of an FM translator, W266CU-FM (101.1 Middlebury) 250 watts. It would be nice to get the local signal back again. We live about 10 miles SE so it looks like we'll get a decent signal. The question is, what will Radio Broadcasting Services, Inc. do with the signals? They are not allowed to do anything with the translator until the primary station (specified as WFAD by the Commission) goes back on the air, as the AM being translated must operate for at least part of every day for the translator to be legal. WFAD's silent STA has expired, but even if it were still in effect that does not give them permission to operate the translator in violation >They've recently put WCAT 1390 Burlington) dark but are still operating its FM translator, W252CJ (98.3 Burlington) under a jockless oldies format. That is also a violation. WCAT got a reduced power STA 26 months ago, but it expired 8 months ago. There is no silent STA showing on the FCC site. Even if there were a silent STA they could not operate the translator until the primary was back on. If anyone had an axe to grind with Radio Broadcasting Services, Inc. they could blow the whistle now on the Burlington translator, and if the Middlebury translator fires up without the AM having operated in the previous 24 hours they could blow the whistle on that one. Dale H. Cook, Radio Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Dec 10 08:14:14 2016 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 08:14:14 -0500 Subject: WFAD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20161210081109.02d88d00@plymouthcolony.net> At 04:09 PM 12/9/2016, Rob Landry wrote: >It's not normally legal for a translator to originate programming. If WCAT is no longer on the air, its translator cannot legally remain on the air except to relay some other station (perhaps an HD2?). Translators for FM stations can relay a variety of sources. This is a translator for an AM station - it is licensed to translate only WCAT, and it can be on the air only if WCAT has been on the air for at least a portion of the previous 24 hours. Dale H. Cook, Radio Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Dec 12 15:04:38 2016 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:04:38 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston Message-ID: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2016/12/nbc_boston_links_with_hub_station_wmfp_to_boost_signal Helping to fill in local areas that might not be able to pick up the new NBCBoston is WMFP 62, started years ago by Avi Nelson ("Media For the People") From richard@chonak.com Mon Dec 12 20:33:19 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:33:19 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51875f24-8cf4-35a4-fed7-9f48d934c996@chonak.com> More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel 60.5, which lets WMFP keep its current religious programming on 62.1. http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches-Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html --RC On 12/12/2016 03:04 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2016/12/nbc_boston_links_with_hub_station_wmfp_to_boost_signal > > Helping to fill in local areas that might not be able to pick up the new > NBCBoston is WMFP 62, started years ago by Avi Nelson ("Media For the > People") From ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu Mon Dec 12 18:38:16 2016 From: ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:38:16 +0000 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:02 PM Bob Nelson wrote: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2016/12/nbc_boston_links_with_hub_station_wmfp_to_boost_signal > > > > Helping to fill in local areas that might not be able to pick up the new > > NBCBoston is WMFP 62, started years ago by Avi Nelson ("Media For the > > People") > > With the transmitter downtown, wouldn't this basically solve NBC's coverage issues? I still think there's another shoe to drop. Very minor thing: on Channel 25's newscasts, the reporters no longer sign off by saying "XXX, Fox 25 News." It well may have nothing to do with all this. Either way, it sure seems like they're deemphasizing the Fox branding. -- Sent from my iPhone From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 12 23:13:54 2016 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:13:54 -0500 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> 60.5 or 62.5? Has NBC Boston begun to be on the air yet? I'm wondering whether I can find it on my converter boxes. My converter boxes seem to have a provision for adding a channel without re-scanning. So what RF channel is NBC Boston going to be on? And in case channel 62 isn't there already (I think it is, but I haven't looked), what is their RF channel? On 12/12/2016 8:33 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: > More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel 60.5, > which lets WMFP keep its current religious programming on 62.1. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From richard@chonak.com Tue Dec 13 00:56:48 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:56:48 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston In-Reply-To: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> References: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <6822505e-56fa-01d3-4554-37da43423282@chonak.com> The article on NBC Boston's site says 60.5, which I suppose is technically possible. Maybe they want to use 60 for the sake of consistency with their NH outlet. Supposedly they will be on-air Dec 21 with the "countdown" programming already being transmitted from Needham (8.1) and Merrimack (60.2). --RC On 12/12/2016 11:13 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > 60.5 or 62.5? > > Has NBC Boston begun to be on the air yet? I'm wondering whether I > can find it on my converter boxes. > > My converter boxes seem to have a provision for adding a channel > without re-scanning. So what RF channel is NBC Boston going to be > on? And in case channel 62 isn't there already (I think it is, but I > haven't looked), what is their RF channel? > > > On 12/12/2016 8:33 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: >> More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel 60.5, >> which lets WMFP keep its current religious programming on 62.1. > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 13 01:01:32 2016 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 01:01:32 -0500 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1fe281af-d0b8-af0f-d8fe-00f230fe5321@attorneyross.com> Thank you. On 12/12/2016 11:53 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > RF 46 for WBTS, RF 18 for WMFP. > > On Dec 12, 2016 11:45 PM, "A Joseph Ross" > wrote: > > 60.5 or 62.5? > > Has NBC Boston begun to be on the air yet? I'm wondering whether > I can find it on my converter boxes. > > My converter boxes seem to have a provision for adding a channel > without re-scanning. So what RF channel is NBC Boston going to be > on? And in case channel 62 isn't there already (I think it is, > but I haven't looked), what is their RF channel? > > > On 12/12/2016 8:33 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: > > More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel > 60.5, which lets WMFP keep its current religious programming > on 62.1. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA > 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 > | http://www.attorneyross.com > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From ashboy1951@gmail.com Mon Dec 12 23:20:31 2016 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:20:31 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston Message-ID: >Very minor thing: on Channel 25's newscasts, the reporters no longer sign off by saying "XXX, Fox 25 News." It well may have nothing to do with all this. Either way, it sure seems like they're deemphasizing the Fox branding. Interesting . . . Does anyone think that, this late in the game, Ansin would grab the Fox affiliation for WHDH if given the chance? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Dec 13 02:39:44 2016 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 02:39:44 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston In-Reply-To: <6822505e-56fa-01d3-4554-37da43423282@chonak.com> References: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> <6822505e-56fa-01d3-4554-37da43423282@chonak.com> Message-ID: <22607.42432.562815.693591@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The article on NBC Boston's site says 60.5, which I suppose is > technically possible. Maybe they want to use 60 for the sake of > consistency with their NH outlet. Supposedly they will be on-air Dec 21 > with the "countdown" programming already being transmitted from Needham > (8.1) and Merrimack (60.2). That makes sense. Note that WMFP is on channel 18 from FM-128, not 1 Beacon St. (their old Beacon Hill analog site). I actually don't know where WBTS-LD is (their CP is for the 146 Murray St. tower, off the Fellsway East in Medford, but the old analog channel 46 operation was on FM-128). WMFP is owned by NRJ, a spectrum speculator, and one certainly assumes that they are participating in the FCC spectrum auction (the fourth stage of which starts at 10 AM today). I say "assumes" because that was NRJ's business plan all along, although whatever deal they may have with NBC may affect their bid in the auction. (Which may be why this is being announced now -- although the stations still involved in the auction, and their bids, are sealed until after the auction is completed. But presumably if NBC wanted to acquire a full-power station they would have filed for it already; they're probably waiting to see what effect the auction has on station prices before making a move.) Speaking of the auction, according to the latest press release, they are currently looking to clear 84 MHz of spectrum, RF channels 36 and higher. (This target is adjusted after each stage of the auction in response to the wireless carriers' bids for the spectrum.) In the Boston market that will definitely affect: WSBK 38 (RF 39) WDPX 58 (RF 40) WLVI 56 (RF 41) WHDH 7 (RF 42) WGBX 44 (RF 43) WYDN 48 (RF 47) WLED-TV 49 (RF 48) WEKW-TV 52 (RF 49) WBIN-TV 35 (RF 50) In Providence: WLNE-TV 6 (RF 49) WJAR 10 (RF 50) These are the stations that are *guaranteed* to move, assuming the 84 MHz auction is successful. Other stations *may* have to move, but the FCC has said that the optimization program used to compute the repacking gives preference to leaving the stations outside the auctioned spectrum on their current channels. (The same document also says that they want to avoid moving stations onto channel 14, and prefer moving stations onto channel 5.) However, this won't always be possible, so some non-participating stations on lower channels may still get reassigned in order to squeeze everyone in. The way this auction works, a station doesn't have to be in the cleared range to participate; a station on channel 25, for example, might be worth less to its owner than one on channel 44, and in the reverse auction, it's the stations accepting the lowest bids that get bought out. In this scenario, buying out channel 25 opens up a channel that can be used to accommodate the station on channel 44. (It's actually more complicated than that, because the optimization algorithm is run globally, across the entire US television spectrum, and it may find a different solution that assigns channel 25 somewhere else.) The FCC runs the repacking optimization on every single round of the auction; this is used to order all of the remaining stations from least to most constraining, and the prices offered to the least-constraining stations drop the fastest, because it would matter less if they left the auction. Once a station refuses a bid, they are out of the auction permanently. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 12 23:53:28 2016 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> References: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: RF 46 for WBTS, RF 18 for WMFP. On Dec 12, 2016 11:45 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > 60.5 or 62.5? > > Has NBC Boston begun to be on the air yet? I'm wondering whether I can > find it on my converter boxes. > > My converter boxes seem to have a provision for adding a channel without > re-scanning. So what RF channel is NBC Boston going to be on? And in case > channel 62 isn't there already (I think it is, but I haven't looked), what > is their RF channel? > > > On 12/12/2016 8:33 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: > >> More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel 60.5, which >> lets WMFP keep its current religious programming on 62.1. >> > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 00:18:03 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:18:03 -0500 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> References: <0be20732-3b2d-966a-e8a7-c9d575d2b019@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe rescan and look for 8.1 On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:13 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > 60.5 or 62.5? > > Has NBC Boston begun to be on the air yet? I'm wondering whether I can find > it on my converter boxes. > > My converter boxes seem to have a provision for adding a channel without > re-scanning. So what RF channel is NBC Boston going to be on? And in case > channel 62 isn't there already (I think it is, but I haven't looked), what > is their RF channel? > > > On 12/12/2016 8:33 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: >> >> More info: the NBC programming will go on (virtual) channel 60.5, which >> lets WMFP keep its current religious programming on 62.1. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 > 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Dec 13 09:49:28 2016 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:49:28 -0500 Subject: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0fa501d25550$1b9945a0$52cbd0e0$@garysicecream.com> With Ansin tossing Ch 56 (WLVI) into the spectrum auction what is going to happen to the CW programming? I thought they might move it to WHDH but they seem to have plans to do news at 7, 9 and 10, 11 Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:21 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WMFP 62 links with NBCBoston >Very minor thing: on Channel 25's newscasts, the reporters no longer >sign off by saying "XXX, Fox 25 News." It well may have nothing to do with all this. Either way, it sure seems like they're deemphasizing the Fox branding. Interesting . . . Does anyone think that, this late in the game, Ansin would grab the Fox affiliation for WHDH if given the chance? From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 10:56:36 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:56:36 -0500 Subject: WFXT branding Message-ID: Cox has decided to remove the Fox branding as they have found viewers are confusing them with the Fox News Channel. http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local/boston/fox-25-news-to-ditch-fox-branding.html When Cox owned KTVU in Oakland they never added the Fox name to the channel but after the swap that involved WFXT Fox did rebrand KTVU as Fox 2. From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Dec 13 11:12:59 2016 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:12:59 -0500 Subject: WFXT branding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0fd501d2555b$c64b1540$52e13fc0$@garysicecream.com> They could always call it "FOX on COX" Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:57 AM To: Gary's Ice Cream Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: WFXT branding Cox has decided to remove the Fox branding as they have found viewers are confusing them with the Fox News Channel. http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local/boston/fox-25-news-to-ditch-fox-branding.html When Cox owned KTVU in Oakland they never added the Fox name to the channel but after the swap that involved WFXT Fox did rebrand KTVU as Fox 2. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Dec 13 11:43:47 2016 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:43:47 -0500 Subject: WFXT branding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's a rumor, not a fact yet. Jeff Lehmann > On Dec 13, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Cox has decided to remove the Fox branding as they have found viewers > are confusing them with the Fox News Channel. > > http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local/boston/fox-25-news-to-ditch-fox-branding.html > > When Cox owned KTVU in Oakland they never added the Fox name to the > channel but after the swap that involved WFXT Fox did rebrand KTVU as > Fox 2. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 12:59:04 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:59:04 -0500 Subject: WFAD Middlebury on the air Message-ID: I just noticed audio on WFAD (1490 Middlebury) // 101.1 FM. Simulcasting WIXM (102.3 Grand Isle). It sounds as though they are taking the audio off air from Middleberry. There is clearly some static in the mix (no pun intended). I picked up the 250w translator about 8 miles north on Rt. 7. Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:47:27 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:47:27 -0500 Subject: WIXM // WFAD // W250CU Message-ID: <316185A9-34B2-415D-8FDB-AAC07B61A223@gmail.com> You know, I am sorta hoping that these guys did not jump to throwing fringe 0TA audio on the air just because of the rumblings among those of us in the nattering class. This audio is painful. Whoa, Nellie. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 16:44:13 2016 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:44:13 -0900 Subject: WIXM // WFAD // W250CU In-Reply-To: <316185A9-34B2-415D-8FDB-AAC07B61A223@gmail.com> References: <316185A9-34B2-415D-8FDB-AAC07B61A223@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wouldnt surprise me if they threw something on for that very reason lol Silberberg is SUCH a great operator:) Paul On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:47 AM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > You know, I am sorta hoping that these guys did not jump to throwing > fringe 0TA audio on the air just because of the rumblings among those of us > in the nattering class. This audio is painful. Whoa, Nellie. > > Bill O'Neill > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 17:00:48 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:00:48 -0500 Subject: WIXM // WFAD // W250CU In-Reply-To: References: <316185A9-34B2-415D-8FDB-AAC07B61A223@gmail.com> Message-ID: <813ED628-69AF-45AA-9878-6C0E34DA9359@gmail.com> Yup. Confirmed. The audio feeding the a.m. and translator is directly from and FM receiver at the shack. The quality of audio is identical to the hash that is received Buy and FM receiver in Middlebury. Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. > On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Wouldnt surprise me if they threw something on for that very reason lol Silberberg is SUCH a great operator:) > > Paul > >> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:47 AM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: >> You know, I am sorta hoping that these guys did not jump to throwing fringe 0TA audio on the air just because of the rumblings among those of us in the nattering class. This audio is painful. Whoa, Nellie. >> >> Bill O'Neill > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 13 21:37:14 2016 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: WFXT branding References: <60092501.2304734.1481683034263.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60092501.2304734.1481683034263@mail.yahoo.com> >Cox has decided to remove the Fox branding as they have found viewers are confusing them with the Fox News Channel. I know people who think Fox 61 in Connecticut is a part of Fox News, instead of being a Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate owned by Tribune. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Dec 14 00:12:33 2016 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:12:33 -0500 Subject: WFXT branding In-Reply-To: <60092501.2304734.1481683034263@mail.yahoo.com> References: <60092501.2304734.1481683034263.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <60092501.2304734.1481683034263@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22608.54465.41095.226301@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I know people who think Fox 61 in Connecticut is a part of Fox News, > instead of being a Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate owned by > Tribune. Of course you do. Normal people don't care who owns the station; they identify with the network icon that shows on their DVR/cable box. (If they even watch broadcast TV at all, which no longer a given with under-40s.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Dec 14 05:36:28 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 05:36:28 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian Message-ID: John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes radio has died http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html John like many misread the impact FM would have in the 70's but he would make his score with V66 a decade later. John and his partner Arnie Ginsburg became set for life when they sold Channel 66 to Home Shopping Network. From 011010001@interpring.com Wed Dec 14 08:25:37 2016 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:25:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If John thinks radio is dead, why did he buy those stations on Cape Cod, which has to be the most over-radioed market in New England? Rob On Wed, 14 Dec 2016, Kevin Vahey wrote: > John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes > radio has died > > http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html > > John like many misread the impact FM would have in the 70's but he > would make his score with V66 a decade later. > > John and his partner Arnie Ginsburg became set for life when they sold > Channel 66 to Home Shopping Network. > From astelle.donald@gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:39:52 2016 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:39:52 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian References: Message-ID: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? >> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes >> radio has died >> >> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html From tlmedia@intrstar.net Wed Dec 14 14:02:38 2016 From: tlmedia@intrstar.net (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:02:38 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: Yesterday it worked. Just now I got this... "Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist." On 12/14/2016 1:51:09 PM, Don wrote: Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? >> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes >> radio has died >> >> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html From tlmedia@intrstar.net Wed Dec 14 14:12:14 2016 From: tlmedia@intrstar.net (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:12:14 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: References: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: <0dbbf287-0f55-4c2e-b519-e02e14e38fe4@getmailbird.com> I'd say they changed the URL. On 12/14/2016 2:10:21 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: The link has been restored http://www.necn.com/multimedia/WEB-The-Take-John-Garabedian_NECN-406541875.html On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > Yesterday it worked. Just now I got this... > > "Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist." > > On 12/14/2016 1:51:09 PM, Don wrote: > > Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? > >>> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes >>> radio has died >>> >>> >>> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html > > > From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Wed Dec 14 14:30:44 2016 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:30:44 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: John Garabedian Message-ID: Don wrote, > Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? > >>> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes >>> radio has died >>> >>> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html This is the link NECN gives: http://www.necn.com/multimedia/WEB-The-Take-John-Garabedian_NECN-406541875.html ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Dec 14 14:10:26 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:10:26 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: References: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: The link has been restored http://www.necn.com/multimedia/WEB-The-Take-John-Garabedian_NECN-406541875.html On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > Yesterday it worked. Just now I got this... > > "Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist." > > On 12/14/2016 1:51:09 PM, Don wrote: > > Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? > >>> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes >>> radio has died >>> >>> >>> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_NECN-406403275.html > > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Dec 14 14:54:33 2016 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:54:33 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20161214145053.02ecc100@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:39 PM 12/14/2016, Don wrote: >Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? Try: http://www.necn.com/multimedia/WEB-The-Take-John-Garabedian_NECN-406541875.html Dale H. Cook, Radio Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From astelle.donald@gmail.com Wed Dec 14 21:25:55 2016 From: astelle.donald@gmail.com (Don) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:25:55 -0500 Subject: John Garabedian In-Reply-To: <0dbbf287-0f55-4c2e-b519-e02e14e38fe4@getmailbird.com> References: <4CDF90C084144659878B28FF982E3FA1@ownerd8aa55a4d> <0dbbf287-0f55-4c2e-b519-e02e14e38fe4@getmailbird.com> Message-ID: John said in the interview that he has "time for one more big project"...in a manner that would lead me to believe he has an idea in mind. Anyone know? His Cape stations are only live in the morning, and VT-ed the rest of the day...so I don't think it's that. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > I'd say they changed the URL. > > On 12/14/2016 2:10:21 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The link has been restored > > http://www.necn.com/multimedia/WEB-The-Take-John- > Garabedian_NECN-406541875.html > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > > Yesterday it worked. Just now I got this... > > > > "Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist." > > > > On 12/14/2016 1:51:09 PM, Don wrote: > > > > Thank link doesn't lead me anywhere...is it correct? > > > >>> John Garabedian is pushing his new book but discusses why be believes > >>> radio has died > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/WEB-The-Take3-121316_ > NECN-406403275.html > > > > > > > > From kenwvt@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 15:41:36 2016 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:41:36 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden Message-ID: Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ -Ken From dave@skywaves.net Thu Dec 15 18:52:14 2016 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:52:14 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. I wonder where they got their station inventory? -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Radio.Garden Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ -Ken From dave@skywaves.net Thu Dec 15 22:24:44 2016 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:24:44 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> Message-ID: <000701d2574b$f264c620$d72e5260$@skywaves.net> Seems like their database management is, shall we say, questionable? -----Original Message----- From: John Allen [mailto:john@pcsupportsolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:29 PM To: 'Dave Doherty' ; 'Ken VanTassell' ; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: Radio.Garden Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! -----Original Message-----John K1AE From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: Radio.Garden I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. I wonder where they got their station inventory? -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Radio.Garden Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ -Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From john@pcsupportsolutions.com Thu Dec 15 21:29:22 2016 From: john@pcsupportsolutions.com (John Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:29:22 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! -----Original Message-----John K1AE From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: Radio.Garden I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. I wonder where they got their station inventory? -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Radio.Garden Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ -Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From billohno@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 11:19:34 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:19:34 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <000701d2574b$f264c620$d72e5260$@skywaves.net> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> <000701d2574b$f264c620$d72e5260$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <0E15DA18-2F55-4A67-93E6-8D4A3942E067@gmail.com> I discovered a couple of Aussie stations. Even with its birth pangs it's a great concept that can only serve to perhaps bring non-techies into the surf. Bill O'Neill > On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > > Seems like their database management is, shall we say, questionable? > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Allen [mailto:john@pcsupportsolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:29 PM > To: 'Dave Doherty' ; 'Ken VanTassell' ; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: Radio.Garden > > Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. > Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! > > -----Original Message-----John K1AE > > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM > To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: Radio.Garden > > I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. > > On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. > > I wonder where they got their station inventory? > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Radio.Garden > > Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. > > https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ > > -Ken > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > From richard@chonak.com Fri Dec 16 15:15:12 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:15:12 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <0E15DA18-2F55-4A67-93E6-8D4A3942E067@gmail.com> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> <000701d2574b$f264c620$d72e5260$@skywaves.net> <0E15DA18-2F55-4A67-93E6-8D4A3942E067@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d1ae6c9-f5ab-3eb5-956c-7a87b07015c7@chonak.com> The site also has an interesting collection of jingles and interval signals from around the world. --RC On 12/16/2016 11:19 AM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > I discovered a couple of Aussie stations. Even with its birth pangs it's a great concept that can only serve to perhaps bring non-techies into the surf. > > Bill O'Neill > >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: >> >> Seems like their database management is, shall we say, questionable? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Allen [mailto:john@pcsupportsolutions.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:29 PM >> To: 'Dave Doherty' ; 'Ken VanTassell' ; 'Boston Radio Interest' >> Subject: RE: Radio.Garden >> >> Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. >> Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! >> >> -----Original Message-----John K1AE >> >> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM >> To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' >> Subject: RE: Radio.Garden >> >> I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. >> >> On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. >> >> I wonder where they got their station inventory? >> >> -d >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM >> To: Boston Radio Interest >> Subject: Radio.Garden >> >> Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. >> >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ >> >> -Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> >> From dave@skywaves.net Fri Dec 16 18:09:34 2016 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:09:34 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <0E15DA18-2F55-4A67-93E6-8D4A3942E067@gmail.com> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> <000701d2574b$f264c620$d72e5260$@skywaves.net> <0E15DA18-2F55-4A67-93E6-8D4A3942E067@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d257f1$77758110$66608330$@skywaves.net> I agree. I was listening to a New Zealand station for a while yesterday. -----Original Message----- From: billohno@gmail.com [mailto:billohno@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 11:20 AM To: Dave Doherty Cc: John Allen ; Ken VanTassell ; Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Radio.Garden I discovered a couple of Aussie stations. Even with its birth pangs it's a great concept that can only serve to perhaps bring non-techies into the surf. Bill O'Neill > On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > > Seems like their database management is, shall we say, questionable? > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Allen [mailto:john@pcsupportsolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:29 PM > To: 'Dave Doherty' ; 'Ken VanTassell' ; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: Radio.Garden > > Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. > Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! > > -----Original Message-----John K1AE > > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM > To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: Radio.Garden > > I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. > > On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. > > I wonder where they got their station inventory? > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Radio.Garden > > Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. > > https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ > > -Ken > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 16 23:21:00 2016 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:21:00 -0500 Subject: Radio.Garden In-Reply-To: <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> References: <008601d2572e$42dd57c0$c8980740$@skywaves.net> <114a01d25744$3663f9c0$a32bed40$@pcsupportsolutions.com> Message-ID: They don't seem to understand that there can be more than one town with the same name in the US, in different states. I clicked on Amherst, Massachusetts, and they called in "Amherst, United States." They have a station in Amherst, Virginia, one in Amherst, New York, and WMUA at UMass. When I clicked the dot just north of Amherst, MA, I got "Greenfield, United States," with only two stations, one in Ohio and one in California. On 12/15/2016 9:29 PM, John Allen wrote: > Unfortunately there are serious errors. I clicked on the map for Watertown, MA and got KSDR Watertown, SD. > Then I clicked on Quincy, MA and got KWWW in Wenatchee, WA! > > -----Original Message-----John K1AE > > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:52 PM > To: 'Ken VanTassell'; 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: Radio.Garden > > I discovered it today, too. Very cool, but as you say, lots of missing stations, including the one they promised from Antarctica. > > On the other hand, the very first station I put on the air is there. WQKE at my alma mater Plattsburgh University (aka SUNY Plattsburgh) on Lake Champlain in the far northeast corner of New York is one of the few remaining Class D 10 Watt TPO stations. > > I wonder where they got their station inventory? > > -d > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:42 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Radio.Garden > > Anyone check out the very cool radio.garden website ? Nice concept, seems like a lot of stations are missing. > > https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/13/radio-garden-lets-you-tune-into-the-globe/ > > -Ken > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 03:43:04 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 03:43:04 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston Message-ID: It appears that Charter/Spectrum Cable in Worcester County is electing to carry WWLP out of Springfield come January 1 instead of WBTS. Can Charter legally pull this off? How does 'must carry' rules apply when WNEU is providing a signal into the county but on a sub channel 60.2 and WBTS-LD can not be picked up OTA in Worcester County. Charter is saying WWLP being in Massachusetts is a better fit than WJAR Providence. They carry WNEU 60.1 but do they have to carry 60.2???? WMFP falls into the same gray area. Legally what are the options? From ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 05:03:22 2016 From: ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:03:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV off the air Message-ID: Also looks like it's affecting 38 and 44. Same issue as last time? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 19 10:13:38 2016 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:13:38 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22615.63778.220044.251287@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Charter is saying WWLP being in Massachusetts is a better fit than WJAR > Providence. They carry WNEU 60.1 but do they have to carry 60.2???? WMFP > falls into the same gray area. > Legally what are the options? Must-carry only applies to the "primary" video service. Other services are generally only carried when required by contract (usually under the retransmission agreement for the primary service when the licensee elects retrans consent instead of must-carry). I'd consider this Charter playing hardball with NBC over the fees NBC is asking for carriage of WBTS. Because of the size and shape of Worcester County they have other legal options for NBC, and presumably the Peacock didn't write a non-consent clause into their affiliation deals in Springfield and Providence. -GAWollman From paul.anderson@vmssoftware.com Mon Dec 19 08:54:13 2016 From: paul.anderson@vmssoftware.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 08:54:13 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WWLP is more appropriate for western Worcester county, while WBTS/WNEU/WMFP is more appropriate for eastern Worcester county. Boston is only a few miles closer to Worcester than Springfield. Since the signal from WMFP is equal to the signal from WHDH, Charter?s argument doesn?t make sense. But maybe it will be good to see news from other areas than Boston or suburban Boston for a change. Paul > On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > It appears that Charter/Spectrum Cable in Worcester County is electing to > carry WWLP out of Springfield come January 1 instead of WBTS. Can Charter > legally pull this off? How does 'must carry' rules apply when WNEU is > providing a signal into the county but on a sub channel 60.2 and WBTS-LD > can not be picked up OTA in Worcester County. > > Charter is saying WWLP being in Massachusetts is a better fit than WJAR > Providence. They carry WNEU 60.1 but do they have to carry 60.2???? WMFP > falls into the same gray area. > > Legally what are the options? From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Mon Dec 19 12:18:08 2016 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:18:08 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ-TV off the air Message-ID: <0586847b-9977-c798-9553-e0fc0eef00e2@Gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote, > Also looks like it's affecting 38 and 44. Same issue as last time? More like final rectification of said issue: http://www.wgbh.org/about/Tower_and_Transmission_Signal_Issues.cfm #> During the overnight hours, WGBX and the network stations #> were moved back to the upper antenna on the repaired #> transmission line and successfully brought up to full power. #> And WGBH was also returned to the lower antenna at full power. #> #> As of about 4:55am this morning, all stations are operating #> normally. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Dec 19 10:30:57 2016 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:30:57 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can a station owner revoke retransmission consent and change to must-carry? I don't see it on 'MFP yet, but I assume that NBC is being carried on a WMFP subchannel so must-carry is not an option there. WBTS is LP, so again, no must carry. If they put NBC on the WNEU primary, they could invoke must carry : but then they would lose all those subscriber $$. I bet WWLP is happy to get carried into Worcester county and is willing to settle for a lower price than NBC. Incidently, Charter has already been carrying WGGB for years in Worcester. -Bob On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Paul Anderson < paul.anderson@vmssoftware.com> wrote: > WWLP is more appropriate for western Worcester county, while > WBTS/WNEU/WMFP is more appropriate for eastern Worcester county. Boston is > only a few miles closer to Worcester than Springfield. > > Since the signal from WMFP is equal to the signal from WHDH, Charter?s > argument doesn?t make sense. But maybe it will be good to see news from > other areas than Boston or suburban Boston for a change. > > Paul > > > > On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > It appears that Charter/Spectrum Cable in Worcester County is electing to > > carry WWLP out of Springfield come January 1 instead of WBTS. Can Charter > > legally pull this off? How does 'must carry' rules apply when WNEU is > > providing a signal into the county but on a sub channel 60.2 and WBTS-LD > > can not be picked up OTA in Worcester County. > > > > Charter is saying WWLP being in Massachusetts is a better fit than WJAR > > Providence. They carry WNEU 60.1 but do they have to carry 60.2???? WMFP > > falls into the same gray area. > > > > Legally what are the options? > > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:09:12 2016 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:09:12 -0500 Subject: Loren & Wally Show Message-ID: By the magic of the interweb, I was able to view part (and listen to more audio) of Wally Brine?s well-deserved retirement from the Loren & Wally show on WROR (105.7 Framingham). Some very touching FB video at the end of the show, champagne toast in the outer hallway, and then a camera following Wally out to his car in the parking lot. Only the likes of an affable Wally Brine could have been so good-natured about the intrusion on what had to be a very tough moment. Checked out some of the show this morning, the first Monday post-Wally. No changes to the name, etc. It?s as if he?s just on vacation. Perhaps it?s fitting. And perhaps it?s because Beasley doesn?t have a plan. Some buzz was that Brine?s contract was up and was likely to get hit with a cut in pay; it that were true, then his departure was a necessity. Loren Owens has to be feeling it right about now, with that empty chair to his left for the first time since 1981. As amazing a talent that Owens is (among the best pipes in the business, just organically funny, impeccable timing, and great board skills) Dick Smothers has left the stage. The talent in the room with Loren are good and decent broadcasters but no one can fill Wally?s shoes. Does anybody know what the story was behind Tom Doyle?s departure a few years ago? I sort of expected him to make an appearance during the last few shows. Tom was at WCOZ (94.5 Boston) and then moved across the lobby on the second floor or New England Life Hall to sister station WHDH (850 Boston) to pair with Mike Addams in PM drive when I was at WHDH. He would then be assigned to side-kick with the legendary Jess Cain in mornings near the end of Jess?s 36 or so year run. Bill O?Neill From richard@chonak.com Mon Dec 19 16:34:01 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:34:01 -0500 Subject: 60.5 from WMFP now live Message-ID: <5f7bcc0e-17bf-87b5-0aa7-d2b96a1c7d92@chonak.com> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" programming (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. --RC From ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu Mon Dec 19 18:20:56 2016 From: ssmyth@alumni.psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:20:56 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" programming > > (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got redirected to 62.1. Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. -- Sent from my iPhone From richard@chonak.com Mon Dec 19 18:57:35 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a229f37-c4af-d92e-aec1-bbe5fd39f4ef@chonak.com> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, and 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels appeared, while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. --RC On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via > Boston-Radio-Interest > wrote: > > Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" > programming > > (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. > > Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got > redirected to 62.1. > > Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. > -- > Sent from my iPhone From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Dec 19 19:29:22 2016 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:29:22 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33DD2029-E72E-468B-928E-C486574A5B5E@charter.net> > Incidently, Charter has already been carrying WGGB for years in Worcester. I don?t see WGGB listed on the Charter Worcester system, although I don?t doubt they used to carry it. None of the Springfield stations are on the system here in West Boylston. When I lived in Barre, in western Worcester county, we got WGGB, WGBY, and WWLP on Charter. Paul From dave@skywaves.net Mon Dec 19 21:23:57 2016 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 21:23:57 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <33DD2029-E72E-468B-928E-C486574A5B5E@charter.net> References: <33DD2029-E72E-468B-928E-C486574A5B5E@charter.net> Message-ID: <002a01d25a68$1e93b160$5bbb1420$@skywaves.net> According to Charter's website tonight, here are the matches to a search for NBC here in the southeastern part of Worcester City: Ch.Network 787 WHDH - NBC HD 7 WHDH - NBC SD/HD 10 WJAR - NBC SD/HD 723 CNBC HD 44 CNBC SD/HD 727 msnbc HD 43 msnbc SD/HD 306 NBC Sports Network 767 NBC Sports Network HD 40 NBC Sports Network SD/HD 247 NBC Universo 859 NBC Universo HD Nothing from Springfield, and the WHDH backup at the moment is WJAR from Providence in SD-only. My wife is watching her faves right now, so I can't verify that these are actually current. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:29 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston > Incidently, Charter has already been carrying WGGB for years in Worcester. I don?t see WGGB listed on the Charter Worcester system, although I don?t doubt they used to carry it. None of the Springfield stations are on the system here in West Boylston. When I lived in Barre, in western Worcester county, we got WGGB, WGBY, and WWLP on Charter. Paul From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Dec 19 22:50:52 2016 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:50:52 -0500 Subject: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston In-Reply-To: <002a01d25a68$1e93b160$5bbb1420$@skywaves.net> References: <33DD2029-E72E-468B-928E-C486574A5B5E@charter.net> <002a01d25a68$1e93b160$5bbb1420$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: You won't find it in any of the guides for my town, but it's loud and clear on channel 15 (I believe this is its channel position in the towns where it's listed). SD only. WJAR has also been carried, along with WHDH, for a long time - though at least this one is listed. -Bob On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > According to Charter's website tonight, here are the matches to a search > for NBC here in the southeastern part of Worcester City: > > Ch.Network > 787 WHDH - NBC HD > 7 WHDH - NBC SD/HD > 10 WJAR - NBC SD/HD > 723 CNBC HD > 44 CNBC SD/HD > 727 msnbc HD > 43 msnbc SD/HD > 306 NBC Sports Network > 767 NBC Sports Network HD > 40 NBC Sports Network SD/HD > 247 NBC Universo > 859 NBC Universo HD > > Nothing from Springfield, and the WHDH backup at the moment is WJAR from > Providence in SD-only. > > My wife is watching her faves right now, so I can't verify that these are > actually current. > > -d > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest- > bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:29 PM > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Spectrum/Charter Cable vs NBC Boston > > > Incidently, Charter has already been carrying WGGB for years in > Worcester. > > I don?t see WGGB listed on the Charter Worcester system, although I don?t > doubt they used to carry it. None of the Springfield stations are on the > system here in West Boylston. > > When I lived in Barre, in western Worcester county, we got WGGB, WGBY, and > WWLP on Charter. > > Paul > > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Dec 20 11:35:38 2016 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:35:38 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> References: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> Message-ID: I have never seen an instance where the major channel number differs between subchannels coming from the same transmitter. Also, the FCC has rules about the major channel number - it is usually required that the channel number has to either match the RF channel number, or match the "old" channel number from the analog days. There have been a few exceptions - such as this channel 8 thing on the WBTS-LP transmitter or KAXT-CD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CD ). However, if they really are doing this, then people who can't receive WNEU won't see 62.5, even if they are able to receive WMFP. What a mess. -Bob On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Hi-- > > The announcement from NBC said that 60.5 would come from WMFP, so I assume > they are following that plan: > > http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches- > Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html > > It seems to be a strange situation, in which 60.2 comes from WNEU (RF 34) > and 60.5 comes from WMFP (RF 18). > > --RC > > > > On 12/19/2016 10:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > WMFP PSIP is 62.1, 3, 4 (RF18). > > Channel 60 (RF 34) is the WNEU transmitter > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest > wrote: > >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Richard Chonak >> To: Sean Smyth , Boston Radio Interest Board < >> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> >> Cc: >> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 >> Subject: Re: >> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, and >> 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels appeared, >> while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. >> >> --RC >> >> >> On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest >>> >> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" >>> programming >>> >>> (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. >>> >>> Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got >>> redirected to 62.1. >>> >>> Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. >>> -- >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >> >> > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Dec 20 11:43:39 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:43:39 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> Message-ID: NBC Boston is up and running on 60.5 https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622340_10210608706106561_4129142923033849400_n.jpg?oh=fc1831e55518f535a579c5d93850fe66&oe=58AF6818 On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > I have never seen an instance where the major channel number differs > between subchannels coming from the same transmitter. Also, the FCC has > rules about > the major channel number - it is usually required that the channel number > has > to either match the RF channel number, or match the "old" channel number > from > the analog days. > > There have been a few exceptions - such as this channel 8 thing on the > WBTS-LP > transmitter or KAXT-CD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CD ). > > However, if they really are doing this, then people who can't receive WNEU > won't > see 62.5, even if they are able to receive WMFP. > > What a mess. > > -Bob > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Richard Chonak > wrote: > > > Hi-- > > > > The announcement from NBC said that 60.5 would come from WMFP, so I > assume > > they are following that plan: > > > > http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches- > > Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html > > > > It seems to be a strange situation, in which 60.2 comes from WNEU (RF 34) > > and 60.5 comes from WMFP (RF 18). > > > > --RC > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2016 10:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > > > WMFP PSIP is 62.1, 3, 4 (RF18). > > > > Channel 60 (RF 34) is the WNEU transmitter > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Richard Chonak > >> To: Sean Smyth , Boston Radio Interest Board < > >> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> > >> Cc: > >> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: > >> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, > and > >> 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels appeared, > >> while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. > >> > >> --RC > >> > >> > >> On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via > Boston-Radio-Interest > >>> >>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" > >>> programming > >>> > >>> (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. > >>> > >>> Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got > >>> redirected to 62.1. > >>> > >>> Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. > >>> -- > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 20 11:51:28 2016 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:51:28 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> Message-ID: <32c8dadb-dd2c-211c-6d05-971bacf0655e@fybush.com> This is actually legit, and the rules provide for it. One of the rules allows a station to use its major channel number over other subchannels that it controls - and so the WMFP transmitter can (and does) carry both 62.x and, in this case, 60.5. The onus is on the broadcaster to avoid conflicts of both major and minor channel number, and that's why Comcast is taking care to use 60.5 here. If you can get both WNEU and WMFP, you'll get 60.1/2/3/4 coming from the WNEU transmitter and 60.5 from the WMFP transmitter. If you get only WMFP, you'll get 60.5 but not the other 60.x channels, and if you get only WNEU, you'll get 60.1/2/3/4 but not .5. Fox uses this a LOT at its local stations and has done so for years - so in New York, WNYW is seen on both 5.1 over its own transmitter (RF 44) and on 5.2 over the transmitter of sister WWOR (RF 38), and vice versa for WWOR's 9.1 and 9.2. This mattered right after 9/11 when WNYW had a more robust auxiliary setup than WWOR; it also matters in places like Minneapolis, where one Fox-owned station is on VHF and the other on UHF. Some public broadcasters do this as well - the equivalent would be if WGBH used 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 for the streams it carries over WGBX. It's surprisingly transparent to the end user. s On 12/20/2016 11:35 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > I have never seen an instance where the major channel number differs > between subchannels coming from the same transmitter. Also, the FCC has > rules about > the major channel number - it is usually required that the channel number > has > to either match the RF channel number, or match the "old" channel number > from > the analog days. > > There have been a few exceptions - such as this channel 8 thing on the > WBTS-LP > transmitter or KAXT-CD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CD ). > > However, if they really are doing this, then people who can't receive WNEU > won't > see 62.5, even if they are able to receive WMFP. > > What a mess. > > -Bob > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > >> Hi-- >> >> The announcement from NBC said that 60.5 would come from WMFP, so I assume >> they are following that plan: >> >> http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches- >> Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html >> >> It seems to be a strange situation, in which 60.2 comes from WNEU (RF 34) >> and 60.5 comes from WMFP (RF 18). >> >> --RC >> >> >> >> On 12/19/2016 10:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >> WMFP PSIP is 62.1, 3, 4 (RF18). >> >> Channel 60 (RF 34) is the WNEU transmitter >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Richard Chonak >>> To: Sean Smyth , Boston Radio Interest Board < >>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> >>> Cc: >>> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: >>> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, and >>> 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels appeared, >>> while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. >>> >>> --RC >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest >>>> >>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" >>>> programming >>>> >>>> (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. >>>> >>>> Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got >>>> redirected to 62.1. >>>> >>>> Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Dec 20 13:36:28 2016 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 13:36:28 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> Message-ID: <20CB7171-93D3-4144-A450-7073F88808FC@comcast.net> The only other case I know of where there are different main channel numbers coming from the same transmitter is in NYC where WNYW and WWOR each send out a simulcast of each other on each TX, so along with 5.1, 5.2, etc they also send out 9.3. (Or it might be .4, I forget)... and WWOR sends out a 5.3 along with 9.1, 9.2... You don't have to have picked up WNEU 60.1, .2, .3, and .4 to get 60.5 from WMFP. I'm getting it, and do not receive WNEU. Jeff Lehmann > On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > NBC Boston is up and running on 60.5 > > https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622340_10210608706106561_4129142923033849400_n.jpg?oh=fc1831e55518f535a579c5d93850fe66&oe=58AF6818 > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Bob DeMattia > wrote: > >> I have never seen an instance where the major channel number differs >> between subchannels coming from the same transmitter. Also, the FCC has >> rules about >> the major channel number - it is usually required that the channel number >> has >> to either match the RF channel number, or match the "old" channel number >> from >> the analog days. >> >> There have been a few exceptions - such as this channel 8 thing on the >> WBTS-LP >> transmitter or KAXT-CD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CD ). >> >> However, if they really are doing this, then people who can't receive WNEU >> won't >> see 62.5, even if they are able to receive WMFP. >> >> What a mess. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Richard Chonak >> wrote: >> >>> Hi-- >>> >>> The announcement from NBC said that 60.5 would come from WMFP, so I >> assume >>> they are following that plan: >>> >>> http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches- >>> Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html >>> >>> It seems to be a strange situation, in which 60.2 comes from WNEU (RF 34) >>> and 60.5 comes from WMFP (RF 18). >>> >>> --RC >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/2016 10:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >>> >>> WMFP PSIP is 62.1, 3, 4 (RF18). >>> >>> Channel 60 (RF 34) is the WNEU transmitter >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Richard Chonak >>>> To: Sean Smyth , Boston Radio Interest Board < >>>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: >>>> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, >> and >>>> 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels appeared, >>>> while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. >>>> >>>> --RC >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via >> Boston-Radio-Interest >>>>> >>>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" >>>>> programming >>>>> >>>>> (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. >>>>> >>>>> Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got >>>>> redirected to 62.1. >>>>> >>>>> Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> From lsochrin@rcn.com Tue Dec 20 13:58:54 2016 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 13:58:54 -0500 Subject: 60.5 now broadcasting NECN into Brookline Village, MA Message-ID: <0F4790F9-02A6-416B-A00C-7F46F232D920@rcn.com> Prior to today, I was unable to receive audio or video from any of the 8 or 60 channels, despite friends within a short distance receiving them. As of this morning, I?m receiving 60.5 as promise, with a strong signal. I never had a problem getting WMFP signals on 62, so I asked them yesterday if they?d meant to say that the new NBC Boston signal wold be on 62.5, but they replied to say that no, it would be on 60.5 and I should be able to receive it. And it is there! (I use a TIIVO and did a rescan. They showed me their usual list of a few new (though unreachable) signals in typical white on black letters, but showed 60.5?s info on that list in bright gold letters! I wonder if they paid TIVO extra to have it show that way? From webmaster@rabbitears.info Tue Dec 20 16:17:36 2016 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:17:36 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <20CB7171-93D3-4144-A450-7073F88808FC@comcast.net> References: <381f8722-ba03-ad93-b0b2-b42c8b817287@chonak.com> <20CB7171-93D3-4144-A450-7073F88808FC@comcast.net> Message-ID: There are plenty of cases out there. See NBC in Philadelphia and San Francisco, or Fox in Phoenix and Los Angeles, or KESQ, or WAHU-CD. - Trip On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > The only other case I know of where there are different main channel > numbers coming from the same transmitter is in NYC where WNYW and WWOR each > send out a simulcast of each other on each TX, so along with 5.1, 5.2, etc > they also send out 9.3. (Or it might be .4, I forget)... and WWOR sends out > a 5.3 along with 9.1, 9.2... > > You don't have to have picked up WNEU 60.1, .2, .3, and .4 to get 60.5 > from WMFP. I'm getting it, and do not receive WNEU. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > NBC Boston is up and running on 60.5 > > > > https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622340_ > 10210608706106561_4129142923033849400_n.jpg?oh= > fc1831e55518f535a579c5d93850fe66&oe=58AF6818 > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Bob DeMattia > > wrote: > > > >> I have never seen an instance where the major channel number differs > >> between subchannels coming from the same transmitter. Also, the FCC has > >> rules about > >> the major channel number - it is usually required that the channel > number > >> has > >> to either match the RF channel number, or match the "old" channel number > >> from > >> the analog days. > >> > >> There have been a few exceptions - such as this channel 8 thing on the > >> WBTS-LP > >> transmitter or KAXT-CD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAXT-CD ). > >> > >> However, if they really are doing this, then people who can't receive > WNEU > >> won't > >> see 62.5, even if they are able to receive WMFP. > >> > >> What a mess. > >> > >> -Bob > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Richard Chonak > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi-- > >>> > >>> The announcement from NBC said that 60.5 would come from WMFP, so I > >> assume > >>> they are following that plan: > >>> > >>> http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Reaches- > >>> Agreement-to-Increase-Over-the-Air-Signal-406069125.html > >>> > >>> It seems to be a strange situation, in which 60.2 comes from WNEU (RF > 34) > >>> and 60.5 comes from WMFP (RF 18). > >>> > >>> --RC > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 12/19/2016 10:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >>> > >>> WMFP PSIP is 62.1, 3, 4 (RF18). > >>> > >>> Channel 60 (RF 34) is the WNEU transmitter > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Richard Chonak via > Boston-Radio-Interest > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>> From: Richard Chonak > >>>> To: Sean Smyth , Boston Radio Interest Board < > >>>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> > >>>> Cc: > >>>> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:57:35 -0500 > >>>> Subject: Re: > >>>> 60.5, really. I ran a re-scan, viewed the "channel list" for my set, > >> and > >>>> 60-5 was there, identified as "WBTS-LD". No other 60-channels > appeared, > >>>> while 62-1, -3, and -4 remained unchanged. > >>>> > >>>> --RC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 12/19/2016 06:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM Richard Chonak via > >> Boston-Radio-Interest > >>>>> >>>>> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Today, WMFP started transmitting the NBC Boston "countdown" > >>>>> programming > >>>>> > >>>>> (NECN content) on 60.5. The video is 720p. > >>>>> > >>>>> Do you mean 62.5? I tried pulling up 62.5 early this morning, but got > >>>>> redirected to 62.1. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jimmy Swaggart is still on the air, apparently. > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Wed Dec 21 02:06:44 2016 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:06:44 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 Message-ID: <5ef1af34-214f-bc86-1480-154cfb5540f7@Gmail.com> I understand the channel dynamics, CALLs:VirCh?RF-Ch ???????????????? WNEU:60?34 (Legal Prgm Orig.) WBTS-LD:08?46 (WNEU Xltr) WBTS-LD:60.5?18 (essentially WBTS-LD Xltr) (=WMFP:62) but given that: * RF-18 isn?t using VirCh-62.2 or 62.5; * WNEU:60 in no way, shape or form is receivable in Metro Boston (which is why WBTS-LD:08 was created); * VirCh-60.5 ID?s as ?WBTS-LD?; Why doesn?t RF-18 map to either VirCh-62.2 or 62.5 or, even better, VirCh-8.5??or is the latter an FCC no-no? ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From webmaster@rabbitears.info Wed Dec 21 05:05:13 2016 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:05:13 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <5ef1af34-214f-bc86-1480-154cfb5540f7@Gmail.com> References: <5ef1af34-214f-bc86-1480-154cfb5540f7@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c89c0f7-7b0e-4f81-54c5-be28fb5c4197@rabbitears.info> 8-5 is unavailable because it overlaps with WMTW, who has the right to virtual channel 8 within its contour. 62-2 and 62-5 would not make clear that it is associated with NBC's 60-x station, which is how it has been advertised in some places. - Trip www.rabbitears.info On 12/21/2016 02:06 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > I understand the channel dynamics, > > CALLs:VirCh?RF-Ch > ???????????????? > WNEU:60?34 (Legal Prgm Orig.) > WBTS-LD:08?46 (WNEU Xltr) > WBTS-LD:60.5?18 (essentially WBTS-LD Xltr) > (=WMFP:62) > > but given that: > > * RF-18 isn?t using VirCh-62.2 or 62.5; > * WNEU:60 in no way, shape or form is > receivable in Metro Boston (which is > why WBTS-LD:08 was created); > * VirCh-60.5 ID?s as ?WBTS-LD?; > > Why doesn?t RF-18 map to either VirCh-62.2 or 62.5 > or, even better, VirCh-8.5??or is the latter an FCC no-no? > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > -- -- -- > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From elipolo881@gmail.com Wed Dec 21 01:23:19 2016 From: elipolo881@gmail.com (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 01:23:19 -0500 Subject: 60.5 Message-ID: I did a re-scan today with my indoor antenna on the side of a south/southwest facing hill in Somerville, and sure enough, it's virtual channel 60.5 "WBTS", transmitting on RF channel 18, along with WMFP channels virtual 62.1, 62.3, and 62.4 (there is no longer a channel being mapped to virtual 62.2 at this time). The signal I'm receiving is NOT from the WNEU (virtual Ch. 60) transmitter facility in Goffstown, NH. Due to the hill rising up behind where I live blocking signals from the north, I get no on-air reception from NH at all. This is coming from the WMFP facility on one of the towers out near Route 128 in the Newton/ Needham area (I think it's on FM-128 in Newton). I get it at the maximum strength on my set, seven "bars". I've never seen a virtual subchannel appearing without a virtual main channel (on the same virtual channel) before, and never saw a subchannel being mapped to a different virtual channel than the other virtual channels on the same RF channel before. EP From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Dec 21 07:47:00 2016 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:47:00 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > The signal I'm receiving is NOT from the WNEU (virtual Ch. 60) > transmitter facility in Goffstown, NH. Due to the hill rising up > behind where I live blocking signals from the north, I get no > on-air reception from NH at all. This is coming from the WMFP > facility on one of the towers out near Route 128 in the Newton/ > Needham area (I think it's on FM-128 in Newton). The thing I can't figure out is why they didn't call it channel 8.5 instead of 60.5. It would be less confusing to people in the core part of the market, who can receive 8 but not 60, and it would place NBC next to the other network stations on most people's TVs. It makes me think this is a hasty and temporary move, and Comcast expects to change their entire OTA situation soon, perhaps after the spectrum auction. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Dec 21 09:44:29 2016 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:44:29 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> References: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> Message-ID: <007401d25b98$bd12fae0$3738f0a0$@comcast.net> You have to wonder if this is a plan for markets with high cable subscriptions: stop paying a full-power affiliate to carry your programs, and put your stuff on an inexpensive flea-power OTA station that, since you own the cable company, you carry and the public's no wiser. -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Laurence Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:47 AM To: Eli Polonsky Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: 60.5 On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > The signal I'm receiving is NOT from the WNEU (virtual Ch. 60) > transmitter facility in Goffstown, NH. Due to the hill rising up > behind where I live blocking signals from the north, I get no on-air > reception from NH at all. This is coming from the WMFP facility on one > of the towers out near Route 128 in the Newton/ Needham area (I think > it's on FM-128 in Newton). The thing I can't figure out is why they didn't call it channel 8.5 instead of 60.5. It would be less confusing to people in the core part of the market, who can receive 8 but not 60, and it would place NBC next to the other network stations on most people's TVs. It makes me think this is a hasty and temporary move, and Comcast expects to change their entire OTA situation soon, perhaps after the spectrum auction. From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 21 10:51:03 2016 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:51:03 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <007401d25b98$bd12fae0$3738f0a0$@comcast.net> References: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> <007401d25b98$bd12fae0$3738f0a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: It's still something of a risky proposition, in part because it only works for NBC - and even then, only in markets where (a) Comcast has near-universal coverage and (b) there's not already a full-power NBC O&O. I think Boston is/was the only market that fits both of those categories. On 12/21/2016 9:44 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > You have to wonder if this is a plan for markets with high cable > subscriptions: stop paying a full-power affiliate to carry your programs, > and put your stuff on an inexpensive flea-power OTA station that, since you > own the cable company, you carry and the public's no wiser. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Laurence > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:47 AM > To: Eli Polonsky > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: 60.5 > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: >> >> The signal I'm receiving is NOT from the WNEU (virtual Ch. 60) >> transmitter facility in Goffstown, NH. Due to the hill rising up >> behind where I live blocking signals from the north, I get no on-air >> reception from NH at all. This is coming from the WMFP facility on one >> of the towers out near Route 128 in the Newton/ Needham area (I think >> it's on FM-128 in Newton). > > The thing I can't figure out is why they didn't call it channel 8.5 instead > of 60.5. It would be less confusing to people in the core part of the > market, who can receive 8 but not 60, and it would place NBC next to the > other network stations on most people's TVs. > > It makes me think this is a hasty and temporary move, and Comcast expects to > change their entire OTA situation soon, perhaps after the spectrum auction. > From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Wed Dec 21 10:32:35 2016 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:32:35 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 Message-ID: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> Trip Ericson wrote, > 8-5 is unavailable because it overlaps with WMTW, who has > the right to virtual channel 8 within its contour. Okay. > 62-2 and 62-5 would not make clear that it is associated > with NBC's 60-x station, which is how it has been > advertised in some places. Alright, fine. Then, since WNEU:60 *is* the parent station (and I don?t think ?WBTS-LD? is promoted anywhere, other than when someone lands on RF-46 and decodes ?WBTS-LD, 8.1?, OTA), why isn?t RF-18 promoted as ?WNEU, 60.5?, instead of ?WBTS-LD, 60.5?? ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 21 09:49:10 2016 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:49:10 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> References: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> Message-ID: As Trip explained, the issue is that the WMFP signal has a bit of overlap (on paper, if not necessarily in the real world) with WMTW, and so they can't use virtual 8 there because of the possibility of a conflict. (I'm sure Hearst isn't eager to go out of its way to help its new Boston competition!) On Dec 21, 2016 8:49 AM, "Mark Laurence" wrote: > On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > > > The signal I'm receiving is NOT from the WNEU (virtual Ch. 60) > > transmitter facility in Goffstown, NH. Due to the hill rising up > > behind where I live blocking signals from the north, I get no > > on-air reception from NH at all. This is coming from the WMFP > > facility on one of the towers out near Route 128 in the Newton/ > > Needham area (I think it's on FM-128 in Newton). > > The thing I can't figure out is why they didn't call it channel 8.5 > instead of 60.5. It would be less confusing to people in the core part of > the market, who can receive 8 but not 60, and it would place NBC next to > the other network stations on most people's TVs. > > It makes me think this is a hasty and temporary move, and Comcast expects > to change their entire OTA situation soon, perhaps after the spectrum > auction. > From webmaster@rabbitears.info Wed Dec 21 11:22:59 2016 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:22:59 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> Message-ID: You'll have to take that one up with NBC. NBC would probably argue that since "WBTS" is the name for the NBC programming, that label should go on 60-5. What are the labels on the various subchannels of WNEU and WBTS-LD, anyway? - Trip www.rabbitears.info On 12/21/2016 10:32 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Trip Ericson wrote, > > > 8-5 is unavailable because it overlaps with WMTW, who has > > the right to virtual channel 8 within its contour. > > Okay. > > > 62-2 and 62-5 would not make clear that it is associated > > with NBC's 60-x station, which is how it has been > > advertised in some places. > > Alright, fine. Then, since WNEU:60 *is* the parent station > (and I don?t think ?WBTS-LD? is promoted anywhere, other > than when someone lands on RF-46 and decodes ?WBTS-LD, 8.1?, > OTA), why isn?t RF-18 promoted as ?WNEU, 60.5?, instead of > ?WBTS-LD, 60.5?? > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > -- -- -- > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 21 13:33:13 2016 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:33:13 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <02E7890C-A376-4FE9-B657-3E45C005AB79@mac.com> Message-ID: <2E0F4058-F82A-4CB6-8651-759DC259427C@mac.com> > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > As Trip explained, the issue is that the WMFP signal has a bit of overlap > (on paper, if not necessarily in the real world) with WMTW, and so they > can't use virtual 8 there because of the possibility of a conflict. > At my former location in North Salem, NH I was able to receive both stations. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, FL From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Wed Dec 21 14:28:08 2016 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:28:08 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 Message-ID: Trip Ericson wrote, > What are the labels on the various subchannels of WNEU > and WBTS-LD, anyway? According to Zap2It: http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?lineupId=PC:01945 #> 1:00 PM 1:00 PM #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? #> 8.1 | necn TODAY | 60.1 | M?s Sabe |? #> WBTSLD | | WNEUDT | |? #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? #> 8.2 | M?s Sabe | 60.2 | necn TODAY |? #> WBTSLD2 | | WNEUDT2 | |? #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? #> 8.3 | Hart to Hart | 60.3 | Tarzan |? #> WBTSLD3 | | WNEUDT3 | |? #> ???????????????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? #> 8.4 | Tarzan | 60.4 | Hart to Hart |? #> WBTSLD4 | | WNEUDT4 | |? #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? So, RF-46 RF-34 ComCast? Programming ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? * 8.1 = 60.2 = (10) = NBC Boston; * 8.2 = 60.1 = 19 = Telemundo; * 8.3 = 60.4 = 935 = Cozi TV; * 8.4 = 60.3 = 983 = TeleXitos; ?In most cases. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From webmaster@rabbitears.info Wed Dec 21 14:45:20 2016 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:45:20 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a274884-2e87-a922-0a8d-02354c4f597f@rabbitears.info> I meant over the air on the actual stations, not on Zap2It. - Trip www.rabbitears.info On 12/21/2016 02:28 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Trip Ericson wrote, > > > What are the labels on the various subchannels of WNEU > > and WBTS-LD, anyway? > > According to Zap2It: > > http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?lineupId=PC:01945 > > #> 1:00 PM 1:00 PM > #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? > #> 8.1 | necn TODAY | 60.1 | M?s Sabe |? > #> WBTSLD | | WNEUDT | |? > #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? > #> 8.2 | M?s Sabe | 60.2 | necn TODAY |? > #> WBTSLD2 | | WNEUDT2 | |? > #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? > #> 8.3 | Hart to Hart | 60.3 | Tarzan |? > #> WBTSLD3 | | WNEUDT3 | |? > #> ???????????????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? > #> 8.4 | Tarzan | 60.4 | Hart to Hart |? > #> WBTSLD4 | | WNEUDT4 | |? > #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? > > So, > > RF-46 RF-34 ComCast? Programming > ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? > * 8.1 = 60.2 = (10) = NBC Boston; > * 8.2 = 60.1 = 19 = Telemundo; > * 8.3 = 60.4 = 935 = Cozi TV; > * 8.4 = 60.3 = 983 = TeleXitos; > ?In most cases. > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > -- -- -- > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Dec 21 15:23:18 2016 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:23:18 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <0a274884-2e87-a922-0a8d-02354c4f597f@rabbitears.info> References: <0a274884-2e87-a922-0a8d-02354c4f597f@rabbitears.info> Message-ID: On WBTS-LD (RF 46) the actual over the air labels are: 8.1 WBTS-LD 8.2 Tele 8.3 Cozi 8.4 TeleXo On 60.5 (from the WMFP 18 transmitter) it's also "WBTS-LD" I can't get WNEU from my location. Jeff Lehmann > On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Trip Ericson wrote: > > I meant over the air on the actual stations, not on Zap2It. > > - Trip > www.rabbitears.info > >> On 12/21/2016 02:28 PM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: >> Trip Ericson wrote, >> >> > What are the labels on the various subchannels of WNEU >> > and WBTS-LD, anyway? >> >> According to Zap2It: >> >> http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?lineupId=PC:01945 >> >> #> 1:00 PM 1:00 PM >> #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? >> #> 8.1 | necn TODAY | 60.1 | M?s Sabe |? >> #> WBTSLD | | WNEUDT | |? >> #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? >> #> 8.2 | M?s Sabe | 60.2 | necn TODAY |? >> #> WBTSLD2 | | WNEUDT2 | |? >> #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? >> #> 8.3 | Hart to Hart | 60.3 | Tarzan |? >> #> WBTSLD3 | | WNEUDT3 | |? >> #> ???????????????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? >> #> 8.4 | Tarzan | 60.4 | Hart to Hart |? >> #> WBTSLD4 | | WNEUDT4 | |? >> #> ????????|??????????????|? ????????|??????????????|? >> >> So, >> >> RF-46 RF-34 ComCast? Programming >> ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? >> * 8.1 = 60.2 = (10) = NBC Boston; >> * 8.2 = 60.1 = 19 = Telemundo; >> * 8.3 = 60.4 = 935 = Cozi TV; >> * 8.4 = 60.3 = 983 = TeleXitos; >> ?In most cases. >> >> ~Kaimbridge~ >> >> -- -- -- >> Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: >> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> >> ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** >> > From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 21 11:28:00 2016 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:28:00 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Alright, fine. Then, since WNEU:60 *is* the parent station > (and I don?t think ?WBTS-LD? is promoted anywhere, other > than when someone lands on RF-46 and decodes ?WBTS-LD, 8.1?, > OTA), why isn?t RF-18 promoted as ?WNEU, 60.5?, instead of > ?WBTS-LD, 60.5?? My impression is that Comcast wants to keep the "WNEU" callsign associated exclusively with Telemundo, while "WBTS" goes with NBC. I believe the 60.2 NBC channel on WNEU uses "WBTS" as its program name, too. s From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Dec 21 23:21:23 2016 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:21:23 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Like most people ,.I can't receive 60 here, but according to the Wiki page: 60.1, 8.2 1080i 16:9 WNEU-HD Main WNEU programming / Telemundo / Simulcast on WBTS-LD2 60.2, 60.5, 8.1 1080i 16:9 WBTS-LD Simulcast of WBTS-LD / Countdown NBC Boston / NECN and Independent and Cozi TV (to become NBC on January 1, 2017) 60.3, 8.4 480i 16:9 TeleXo TeleXitos / Simulcast on WBTS-LD4 60.4, 8.3 480i 16:9 Cozi Simulcast of WBTS-LD3 / Cozi TV The article seems to confuse/merge all the various PSIP's from the three transmitters, but the first one in the list would be the one used on the Merrimack transmitter. A more accurate way to present it would be: ---PSIP used on--- WNEU WBTS WMFP RF34 RF46 RF18 60.1 8.2 1080i 16:9 WNEU-HD Main WNEU programming / Telemundo / Simulcast on WBTS-LD2 60.2 8.1 60.5 1080i 16:9 WBTS-LD Simulcast of WBTS-LD / Countdown NBC Boston / NECN and Independent and Cozi TV (to become NBC on January 1, 2017) 60.3 8.4 480i 16:9 TeleXo TeleXitos / Simulcast on WBTS-LD4 60.4 8.3 480i 16:9 Cozi Simulcast of WBTS-LD3 / Cozi TV ?? ?-Bob? On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> Alright, fine. Then, since WNEU:60 *is* the parent station >> (and I don?t think ?WBTS-LD? is promoted anywhere, other >> than when someone lands on RF-46 and decodes ?WBTS-LD, 8.1?, >> OTA), why isn?t RF-18 promoted as ?WNEU, 60.5?, instead of >> ?WBTS-LD, 60.5?? >> > > My impression is that Comcast wants to keep the "WNEU" callsign associated > exclusively with Telemundo, while "WBTS" goes with NBC. I believe the 60.2 > NBC channel on WNEU uses "WBTS" as its program name, too. > > s > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 22 00:59:35 2016 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 00:59:35 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> On 12/21/2016 11:28 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > My impression is that Comcast wants to keep the "WNEU" callsign > associated exclusively with Telemundo, while "WBTS" goes with NBC. I > believe the 60.2 NBC channel on WNEU uses "WBTS" as its program name, > too. But don't these stations have to have a legal ID for their correct call letters? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Dec 22 02:16:22 2016 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:16:22 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <22619.32198.367361.652955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But don't these stations have to have a legal ID for their correct call > letters? Can be hidden in small letters at the bottom of the screen for a second at the end of a heavily produced promo -- just like WHDH does now. -GAWollman From richard@chonak.com Thu Dec 22 02:17:32 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:17:32 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <020eff34-d73a-6361-a786-a50dce03b3c4@chonak.com> Translators only have to present an ID.... how often? Twice a day? At 2 a.m. I didn't see any ID on 60.5: the programming just switched over from Cozi ("Quantum Leap") to an NBC show ("Talk Stoop"). --rc On 12/22/2016 12:59 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 12/21/2016 11:28 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >> My impression is that Comcast wants to keep the "WNEU" callsign >> associated exclusively with Telemundo, while "WBTS" goes with NBC. I >> believe the 60.2 NBC channel on WNEU uses "WBTS" as its program name, >> too. > > But don't these stations have to have a legal ID for their correct > call letters? > From richard@chonak.com Thu Dec 22 19:03:24 2016 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:03:24 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: 60.5 In-Reply-To: <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 7 pm, a graphic ID was displayed with all three callsigns and their respective cities. --RC On 12/22/2016 12:59 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 12/21/2016 11:28 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >> My impression is that Comcast wants to keep the "WNEU" callsign >> associated exclusively with Telemundo, while "WBTS" goes with NBC. I >> believe the 60.2 NBC channel on WNEU uses "WBTS" as its program name, >> too. > > But don't these stations have to have a legal ID for their correct > call letters? > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 22 19:09:48 2016 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:09:48 -0500 Subject: Lisa Tedesco, Kiss 108's Lisa Lipps, passes on Message-ID: http://gatelyfh.tributes.com/obituary/show/Elizabeth-Lisa-Tedesco-104276051 She was Kiss 108's Lisa Lipps, created the soap opera update and wrote the song "General Hospi-tale". Tedesco died on Dec 20 in Andover at the age of 59. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 24 23:01:44 2016 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:01:44 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4328811e-b3e7-8b4b-c763-6a3ed4bed0ec@Gmail.com> <19564df6-4d6c-4bdb-401b-fd2c146b70e9@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I re-scanned my converter boxes and found that I still don't have channel 8, but I do have 60.5. When I was watching last night, it was showing COZI. I don't know when the Countdown to NBC Boston is supposed to start. On Comcast cable, channel 10 is still one of the shopping networks. On 12/22/2016 2:17 AM, Richard Chonak via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: > Translators only have to present an ID.... how often? Twice a day? > > At 2 a.m. I didn't see any ID on 60.5: the programming just switched > over from Cozi ("Quantum Leap") to an NBC show ("Talk Stoop"). -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 1340 Centre Street, Suite 103 | Newton, MA 02459 617.367.0468 | Fx:617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From lsochrin@rcn.com Sun Dec 25 15:39:34 2016 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500 Subject: 60.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At the top right corner of the screen for 60.5 (which is currently showing programming from COZI) , I see a box that says 07 days/Countdown NBC Boston. Perhaps you should adjust the zoom setting on your screen so it shows the upper right corner completely. > On Dec 25, 2016, at 12:00 PM, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org wrote: > > From: A Joseph Ross > > Subject: Re: 60.5 > Date: December 24, 2016 at 11:01:44 PM EST > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > > I re-scanned my converter boxes and found that I still don't have channel 8, but I do have 60.5. When I was watching last night, it was showing COZI. I don't know when the Countdown to NBC Boston is supposed to start. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Dec 30 23:52:54 2016 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:52:54 -0500 Subject: CRTC approves WBTS-LD for Canadian carriage Message-ID: It appears most Canadian cable and satellite operators will simply swap WBTS-LD for WHDH. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2016/2016-489.htm From ashboy1951@gmail.com Sat Dec 31 08:27:01 2016 From: ashboy1951@gmail.com (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 08:27:01 -0500 Subject: WBTS and WHDH Message-ID: It has occurred to me that there may be a silver lining for WHDH amidst all this kerfuffle over the affiliation loss. What if WHDH were to give Comcast and NECN some significant competition outside Boston? According to what I've been reading, the station plans to significantly beef up its news operation; what if it were to become a "superstation" comparable to WSBK and WGN, offering Boston and New England news to the rest of the region (and Canada) via Time Warner and other non-Comcast-owned cable companies, as well as via satellite? DISH and DIRECTV don't carry NECN; it's a cable-only operation. I think this could be a great opportunity for WHDH, if it could be worked out. From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Dec 20 16:36:13 2016 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:36:13 -0500 Subject: Flo & Eddie foiled? Message-ID: <08b301d25b09$173e5540$45baffc0$@garysicecream.com> http://www.radioworld.com/business-and-law/0009/new-york-appeals-court-overr ules-protection-of-pre1972-recordings/338850 Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com