From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 1 05:20:53 2015 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 02:20:53 -0700 Subject: Quiet Message-ID: Checking my inbox, it doesn't seem like i've had anything from this list since April 10th. Paul From tlmedia@intrstar.net Fri May 1 08:40:43 2015 From: tlmedia@intrstar.net (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 08:40:43 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> Same here Ted -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:20 AM To: B-R-I Subject: Quiet Checking my inbox, it doesn't seem like i've had anything from this list since April 10th. Paul From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 1 11:34:04 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 11:34:04 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive lots of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Fri May 1 12:18:21 2015 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:18:21 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> References: , <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC>, <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Perhaps it's because we're all pondering the planned "death" of FM in Norway https://soundcloud.com/theworld/the-demise-of-fm-radio-in-norway Mike > Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 11:34:04 -0400 > From: dlh@donnahalper.com > To: tlmedia@intrstar.net > Subject: Re: Quiet > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive > lots of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. From francini@mac.com Fri May 1 13:04:57 2015 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 13:04:57 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: which will be a bit hard to do here given that the US tech for HD Radio relies on (and falls back to) analog(ue) FM and AM radio. Given the distances to be covered economically in the US, it?ll be a hard sell? john > On 1 May 2015, at 12:18, Michael Wilkins wrote: > > Perhaps it's because we're all pondering the planned "death" of FM in Norway > > https://soundcloud.com/theworld/the-demise-of-fm-radio-in-norway > > Mike > > >> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 11:34:04 -0400 >> From: dlh@donnahalper.com >> To: tlmedia@intrstar.net >> Subject: Re: Quiet >> CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >> >> It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive >> lots of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 1 12:34:21 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:34:21 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: We haven't heard from Attorney Joe or Dan for a long time. I hope they are OK. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive lots > of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. > From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Fri May 1 13:57:59 2015 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 13:57:59 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, You are full scale here. Jon in tropical Florida. On Fri, 01 May 2015 05:20:53 -0400, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Checking my inbox, it doesn't seem like i've had anything from this list > since April 10th. > > Paul > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri May 1 14:19:37 2015 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 14:19:37 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <008401d0843b$66568ef0$3303acd0$@cssinc.com> Are we all still here? Brian Vita From billohno@gmail.com Fri May 1 15:00:59 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 15:00:59 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <741ACF94-CE56-4DBA-A862-A861A69B026F@gmail.com> I'll have to opine on the radio list on Vermont radio listening these day. Hint: Slim Pickens Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 1, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > We haven't heard from Attorney Joe or Dan for a long time. I hope they are > OK. > >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Donna Halper wrote: >> >> It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive lots >> of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. >> From billohno@gmail.com Fri May 1 15:02:45 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <008401d0843b$66568ef0$3303acd0$@cssinc.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <008401d0843b$66568ef0$3303acd0$@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <54BCC740-24D9-46D3-841A-A62D2B8600AD@gmail.com> Possibly. Wait, let me check. #Glick > On May 1, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > > Are we all still here? > > > > Brian Vita > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 1 23:27:52 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 23:27:52 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > It's all been said? > > I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a College station way back when that had a couple of students connect the transmitter to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, circa 1915. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 2 00:25:29 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 00:25:29 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Some of us are talking about radio on various messageboards and Facebook groups. As for the two regulars mentioned who haven't been heard from lately, I was thinking the same thing (Atty Ross, Dan). Did bump into Joe a couple yrs ago at a sci fi society party in Somerville. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > >> It's all been said? >> >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a College >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the transmitter >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? >> >> > > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, > circa 1915. > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 2 00:58:47 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 00:58:47 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <55445987.3060303@attorneyross.com> I replied earlier today that I am fine, but haven't had anything to respond to. Maybe I didn't reply to the list, but just to Kevin, since it hasn't appeared yet. On 5/1/2015 12:34 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > We haven't heard from Attorney Joe or Dan for a long time. I hope they are > OK. > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> It's very strange how quiet this list has gotten. We used to receive lots >> of messages about lots of things. Wonder why everything got so quiet. >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4339/9669 - Release Date: 05/01/15 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 2 01:27:40 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 01:27:40 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5544604C.5000908@donnahalper.com> On 5/2/2015 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the > list 11 months ago. True that. I know Attorney Joe Ross had back surgery and told me a few months ago that he was recovering. But I haven't heard anything from Dan Strassberg in ages. Has anyone tried to e-mail him? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat May 2 00:59:57 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 00:59:57 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the list 11 months ago. Dan has filled in many blanks on late 50's and early 60's that were very helpful. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > >> It's all been said? >> >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a College >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the transmitter >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? >> >> > > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, > circa 1915. > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat May 2 18:48:55 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Dan last posted when 101.7 flipped to country daniel strassberg 6/17/14 Reply to Scott, Bill, boston-radio-i. Stable? Don't you mean barn? Didn't think they kept bulls in stables, but what do know? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Doing a search I found Dan's most recent post to radiodiscussions was in > Nov. of 2013. > > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the list 11 >> months ago. >> >> Dan has filled in many blanks on late 50's and early 60's that were very >> helpful. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper >> wrote: >> >> > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: >> > >> >> It's all been said? >> >> >> >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on >> >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a >> College >> >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the >> transmitter >> >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts >> > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, >> > circa 1915. >> > >> > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat May 2 18:58:23 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 18:58:23 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <21829.22159.412262.281773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> By the way, the cure to "not much happening on this list" is for you all to start talking about stuff. I just run the list; I don't work in the industry and I don't even listen to (or watch) broadcast radio/TV much any more. Most of my commutes are filled by podcasts, and at home it's a combo of BBC (World Service and R4) and cable (baseball/hockey games recorded on my TiVo). -GAWollman From tlmedia@intrstar.net Sat May 2 19:03:41 2015 From: tlmedia@intrstar.net (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 19:03:41 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I have an idea. Why don?t one of you folks who know Dan (I don't) give him a call and see how he's doing. This number was on one of his old posts. 617-558-4205. This is not the e-fax. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 6:48 PM To: Bob Nelson Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Quiet Dan last posted when 101.7 flipped to country daniel strassberg 6/17/14 Reply to Scott, Bill, boston-radio-i. Stable? Don't you mean barn? Didn't think they kept bulls in stables, but what do know? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Doing a search I found Dan's most recent post to radiodiscussions was in > Nov. of 2013. > > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the list >> 11 >> months ago. >> >> Dan has filled in many blanks on late 50's and early 60's that were very >> helpful. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper >> wrote: >> >> > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: >> > >> >> It's all been said? >> >> >> >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on >> >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a >> College >> >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the >> transmitter >> >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts >> > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford >> > Hillside, >> > circa 1915. >> > >> > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat May 2 20:20:20 2015 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 20:20:20 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <21829.22159.412262.281773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> <21829.22159.412262.281773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20150502201142.03e368d8@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:58 PM 5/2/2015, Garrett Wollman wrote: >Most of my commutes are filled by podcasts ... Except when I have to listen to a station that I am working for (say, to spot a problem), or to a favorite NPR program, my commutes (ranging 10 minutes to 2 hours each way) are filled with CDs from my library. I keep a Case Logic case holding 30 jewel cases in the Explorer, and can add two more of those cases for vacations or other multi-day trips. If anyone would like to see the current contents of the case (I have rather diverse tastes reflecting 45 years in radio) drop me a line off-list. Dale H. Cook, Radio Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From Jibguy@aol.com Sat May 2 21:46:18 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 21:46:18 -0400 Subject: Quiet (Dan Strassberg) Message-ID: <15d5f.28375e35.4276d7ea@aol.com> Hello All I talked to Dan this evening. He'll be pushing 80 in a couple of weeks, and his health is so-so. Not on the computer much, but he does have a new address, and he'd be pleased to hear from any of us. He probably is not going to give us any more lengthy-read reasons why certain stations can't increase their power (which we all enjoyed and appreciated) nowadays. His address is _danielstrassberg@comcast.net_ (mailto:danielstrassberg@comcast.net) -----Bob Bittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- In a message dated 5/2/2015 6:56:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Dan last posted when 101.7 flipped to country daniel strassberg 6/17/14 Reply to Scott, Bill, boston-radio-i. Stable? Don't you mean barn? Didn't think they kept bulls in stables, but what do know? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Doing a search I found Dan's most recent post to radiodiscussions was in > Nov. of 2013. > > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the list 11 >> months ago. >> >> Dan has filled in many blanks on late 50's and early 60's that were very >> helpful. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper >> wrote: >> >> > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: >> > >> >> It's all been said? >> >> >> >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on >> >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a >> College >> >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the >> transmitter >> >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts >> > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, >> > circa 1915. >> > >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 2 23:54:23 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 23:54:23 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55459BEF.2010602@attorneyross.com> Thanks, Bob. I think I had a phone call from Dan not too long ago, but it was irrelevant to radio. On 5/2/2015 10:19 PM, Bob Bittner via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: Hello All I talked to Dan this evening. He'll be pushing 80 in a couple of weeks, and his health is so-so. Not on the computer much, but he does have a new address, and he'd be pleased to hear from any of us. He probably is not going to give us any more lengthy-read reasons why certain stations can't increase their power (which we all enjoyed and appreciated) nowadays. His address is_danielstrassberg@comcast.net_ (mailto:danielstrassberg@comcast.net) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 2 23:58:52 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 23:58:52 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <5544604C.5000908@donnahalper.com> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> <5544604C.5000908@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <55459CFC.6070603@attorneyross.com> I'm pretty well recovered from the surgery, though it's taking longer to recover from the original condition. I'm going to PT regularly and coming along. I'm still using the cane some of the time, and I still have some back pain, but a lot less than I had before the surgery. I'm back at work and am busy running for Town Meeting Member again in Brookline. Donna, how are you doing? On 5/2/2015 1:27 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/2/2015 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the >> list 11 months ago. > > True that. I know Attorney Joe Ross had back surgery and told me a > few months ago that he was recovering. But I haven't heard anything > from Dan Strassberg in ages. Has anyone tried to e-mail him? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 2 18:28:45 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400 Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Doing a search I found Dan's most recent post to radiodiscussions was in Nov. of 2013. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am concerned about Dan Strassberg who last sent a message to the list 11 > months ago. > > Dan has filled in many blanks on late 50's and early 60's that were very > helpful. > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > > On 5/1/2015 8:18 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > > > >> It's all been said? > >> > >> I have a question for you. I can't recall if it was in your book on > >> Boston Radio or elsewhere, but I remember seeing a comment about a > College > >> station way back when that had a couple of students connect the > transmitter > >> to railroad tracks. Am I delusional? > >> > >> > > > > That's a separate question! But yes, as I recall, a couple of Tufts > > students did that in the very very early years of 1XE, Medford Hillside, > > circa 1915. > > > From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com Sun May 3 08:41:38 2015 From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of Funeral Homes Message-ID: <193DE0515A7B46FF85D0404669A9E456@ownerd8aa55a4d> Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name Laurence Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or so....I asssumed he was ill. Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin From kvahey@gmail.com Sun May 3 11:23:43 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 11:23:43 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for passing that on. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Don > To: > Cc: > Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 > Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of > Funeral Homes > > Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name Laurence > Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. > > He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or so....I > asssumed he was ill. > > Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: > > http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun May 3 14:05:35 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 14:05:35 -0400 Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : Message-ID: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> Wow, I am shocked to hear about this.? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kevin Vahey Date: 05/03/2015 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Don Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Thanks for passing that on. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Don > To: > Cc: > Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 > Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of > Funeral Homes > > Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name Laurence > Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. > > He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or so....I > asssumed he was ill. > > Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: > > http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin > > From gary@garysicecream.com Sun May 3 16:25:26 2015 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 16:25:26 -0400 Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : In-Reply-To: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> References: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> Message-ID: <13ac01d085df$4ad3a550$e07aeff0$@garysicecream.com> I worked with Larry at WCAP (my first radio gig at age 15). He was the copywriter there. He told me one of the most valuable lessons of my broadcasting career. He said "If you want to learn everything there is to know about the broadcasting business.....read every weeks issue of Broadcasting Magazine....front to back, including every ad." He was right. I did that and never forgot him for the valuable education I received. I took him aside at the WCAP 55th Birthday Broadcast that I hosted at my Lowell store and told him the impact he had on my life. I think he was humbled by it. RIP my friend Larry. -Gary Francis (Frascarelli) Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 2:06 PM To: Kevin Vahey; Don Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : Wow, I am shocked to hear about this. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kevin Vahey Date: 05/03/2015 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Don Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Thanks for passing that on. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Don > To: > Cc: > Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 > Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of > Funeral Homes > > Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name > Laurence Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. > > He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or > so....I asssumed he was ill. > > Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: > > http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun May 3 16:47:27 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 16:47:27 -0400 Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : In-Reply-To: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> References: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8081289A-002D-4586-884B-4331BFB72C2D@gmail.com> I'm very sorry to hear of Laurence's passing. My condolences to his family and friends. Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 3, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > Wow, I am shocked to hear about this. > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kevin Vahey > Date: 05/03/2015 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Don > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: > > Thanks for passing that on. > > > > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest < > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Don >> To: >> Cc: >> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 >> Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of >> Funeral Homes >> >> Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name Laurence >> Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. >> >> He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or so....I >> asssumed he was ill. >> >> Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: >> >> http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin >> >> From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 3 22:40:13 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 22:40:13 -0400 Subject: Larry Glavin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5546DC0D.4080803@attorneyross.com> I'm very sorry to hear this. On 5/3/2015 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote: Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name Laurence Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or so....I asssumed he was ill. Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Sun May 3 17:27:54 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 17:27:54 -0400 Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : In-Reply-To: <13ac01d085df$4ad3a550$e07aeff0$@garysicecream.com> References: <30y5y404g5ybevtt3y2vtoqg.1430676335178@email.android.com> <13ac01d085df$4ad3a550$e07aeff0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <9A28257D-CE2A-4C2C-A2BC-D7C6E1E768CB@gmail.com> I recall interviewing Laurence on the air during that event. (Hard to believe that was nine years ago.) Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 3, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > > I worked with Larry at WCAP (my first radio gig at age 15). He was the copywriter there. He told me one of the most valuable lessons of my broadcasting career. He said "If you want to learn everything there is to know about the broadcasting business.....read every weeks issue of Broadcasting Magazine....front to back, including every ad." He was right. I did that and never forgot him for the valuable education I received. I took him aside at the WCAP 55th Birthday Broadcast that I hosted at my Lowell store and told him the impact he had on my life. I think he was humbled by it. RIP my friend Larry. > -Gary Francis (Frascarelli) > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 2:06 PM > To: Kevin Vahey; Don > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Lawrence from Methuen : > > > > Wow, I am shocked to hear about this. > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kevin Vahey > Date: 05/03/2015 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Don > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: > > Thanks for passing that on. > > > >> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Don via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Don >> To: >> Cc: >> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 08:41:38 -0400 >> Subject: Obituary for Laurence Glavin | Charles F. Dewhirst Family of >> Funeral Homes >> >> Many on this list and other radio forums might remember the name >> Laurence Glavin.....aka Lawrence from Methuen. >> >> He has been mising from the radio discussions in the last year or >> so....I asssumed he was ill. >> >> Saw this obit in the Lawrence newspaper: >> >> http://www.dewhirstfuneral.com/notices/Laurence-Glavin > > From 011010001@interpring.com Mon May 4 09:58:39 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Quiet In-Reply-To: <21829.22159.412262.281773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> <55439CEC.8050003@donnahalper.com> <00df01d0846d$923ac090$b6b041b0$@yahoo.com> <55444438.7030002@donnahalper.com> <21829.22159.412262.281773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Of the radio fora I'm on, only the Pubtech and Broadcast lists seem to have much traffic these days. I'm on radioinsight.com and radiodiscussions.com, but activity levels there have sunk to the point where I don't check them more than once a week or so. What's going on with the former WILD 1090? I ask because the last I checked, the modulation level was low enough to make it effectively unlistenable. Do the Chinese know they're not getting their money's worth? Rob On Sat, 2 May 2015, Garrett Wollman wrote: > By the way, the cure to "not much happening on this list" is for you > all to start talking about stuff. I just run the list; I don't work > in the industry and I don't even listen to (or watch) broadcast > radio/TV much any more. Most of my commutes are filled by podcasts, > and at home it's a combo of BBC (World Service and R4) and cable > (baseball/hockey games recorded on my TiVo). > > -GAWollman > From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com Mon May 4 10:34:21 2015 From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:34:21 -0400 Subject: Quiet References: <02497F4EE77646BF8F072CEDAF0ACBE9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <74F3A7DD98644973A9C1E65B0A1DB59A@ownerd8aa55a4d> Maybe it represents the curent state of all radio everywhere.....apathy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "B-R-I" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Quiet > Same here > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:20 AM To: B-R-I > Subject: Quiet > Checking my inbox, it doesn't seem like i've had anything from this list > since April 10th. > > Paul From mixer893@yahoo.com Mon May 4 00:18:21 2015 From: mixer893@yahoo.com (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 21:18:21 -0700 Subject: Larry Glavin In-Reply-To: <5546DC0D.4080803@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1430713101.1138.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web140306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have not made a post on this group for years... but Laurence was always an important contributor here. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends. REST IN PEACE! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From bob&wtbs*@clements.org Thu May 7 11:12:24 2015 From: bob&wtbs*@clements.org (Bob Clements) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 11:12:24 -0400 Subject: WJIB off due to power outage Message-ID: <20150507151224.A15A2B83A@mail.l> WJIB Cambridge is off the air at the moment. I happened to be in the area, and went over to the building to see what's up. There is a failure of a power splice in the street (Concord Avenue). Lots of power company people in the area. I talked with some of the other people in the building, too. Sounds like at least one phase of the power is dead. Reportedly, Bob is on his way down from Maine for another reason anyway. With the high voltage in the street, the need for coordinating a shutdown in the area and doing the repair and so on, it'll be a while yet. I hoped I could just walk in, hit a couple reset buttons on the computer, and all would be well. No such luck. Bob, K1BC From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 7 19:02:50 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 19:02:50 -0400 Subject: WJIB off due to power outage In-Reply-To: <20150507151224.A15A2B83A@mail.l> References: <20150507151224.A15A2B83A@mail.l> Message-ID: <554BEF1A.9070905@attorneyross.com> I found WJIB off the air last night around midnight or so. I wonder how long the power outage had been around. On 5/7/2015 11:12 AM, Bob Clements wrote: > WJIB Cambridge is off the air at the moment. > > I happened to be in the area, and went over to the building to > see what's up. There is a failure of a power splice in the > street (Concord Avenue). Lots of power company people in > the area. I talked with some of the other people in the > building, too. Sounds like at least one phase of the power > is dead. > > Reportedly, Bob is on his way down from Maine for another > reason anyway. With the high voltage in the street, the need > for coordinating a shutdown in the area and doing the repair > and so on, it'll be a while yet. > > I hoped I could just walk in, hit a couple reset buttons on > the computer, and all would be well. No such luck. > > Bob, K1BC > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 92 State Street | Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Thu May 7 20:57:30 2015 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 00:57:30 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WJIB off due to power outage Message-ID: <554C09FA.6050406@Gmail.com> Atty. A.J. Ross wrote, > I found WJIB off the air last night around midnight or so. > I wonder how long the power outage had been around. > >> On 5/7/2015 11:12 AM, Bob Clements wrote: >> WJIB Cambridge is off the air at the moment. >> >> I happened to be in the area, and went over to the building to >> see what's up. There is a failure of a power splice in the >> street (Concord Avenue). Lots of power company people in >> the area. I talked with some of the other people in the >> building, too. Sounds like at least one phase of the power >> is dead. JIB?s been off-air all week at night, then come back on around 6-6:30am. I wasn?t sure if it was just him (planned??) or a member victim of an area outage. I guess that answers it! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Jibguy@aol.com Fri May 8 03:42:14 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 03:42:14 -0400 Subject: WJIB off due to power outage Message-ID: TEXT FROM FACEBOOK: (with photos on facebook) WJIB's AILMENTS. Busy week in jib-land! On May 7th at 8:15 AM, there was supposedly a little explosion of underground power lines along Concord Avenue. Knocked WJIB off the air. Power not restored until about 3 PM by power company. But it also blew out WJIB's audio processor. Took a couple more hours to replace that one with the old back-up. WJIB returned to the air aroud 7 PM. Meanwhile, on the same day, tower-climbers were scheduled to run totally new coax cable all the way up the tower to replace the 67-year-old existing wiring, which went bad a couyple months ago, resultingin the top tower light not being connected. Now, time to change the type of lighting. Now it's all LED red lights; on top, and 4 more on the sides. Top light now working. Side lights to be done today, Friday. I came down from Maine to assist in the project on May 7 (Thurs), as well as to cure another problem...... station off the air soon after nighttime, around 9 PM. Me and trusty tech-guy believe that's due to faulty 3-pound capacitors in "the dog house"; the little enclosure at the base of the tower. Those were replaced at 10 PM Thursday night May 7th. And as of now, 3 AM May 8th, WJIB is still on, so maybe we were right about that. Time will tell. I'm back in Maine now, and I can monitor the signal by phone, from here. All of this costing over $14,000.00. And that's after last year's every-10-years-tower-painting at $13,000.00. Some photos of Thursday here..... In a message dated 5/8/2015 3:38:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ssmyth@psualum.com writes: My original message bounced back because I can't get the formatting to turn off on my Yahoo app. Text is below. Here's an early morning Facebook post from Bob describing the issues he's run into this week. Apparently you need to be logged in to view it. http://www.facebook.com/groups/WJIB740/permalink/10152695298161012/ On Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:24 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: Bob has mentioned this a bit on Facebook. IIRC, there is an issue where the transmitter isn't staying on while WJIB is on night power. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At May 7, 2015, 8:04:54 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I found WJIB off the air last night around midnight or so. I wonder how >long the power outage had been around. > > > >On 5/7/2015 11:12 AM, Bob Clements wrote: >> WJIB Cambridge is off the air at the moment. >> >> I happened to be in the area, and went over to the building to >> see what's up. There is a failure of a power splice in the >> street (Concord Avenue). Lots of power company people in >> the area. I talked with some of the other people in the >> building, too. Sounds like at least one phase of the power >> is dead. >> >> Reportedly, Bob is on his way down from Maine for another >> reason anyway. With the high voltage in the street, the need >> for coordinating a shutdown in the area and doing the repair >> and so on, it'll be a while yet. >> >> I hoped I could just walk in, hit a couple reset buttons on >> the computer, and all would be well. No such luck. >> >> Bob, K1BC >> > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 92 State Street | Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri May 8 03:38:22 2015 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 07:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: WJIB off due to power outage In-Reply-To: <1431048291.91040.YahooMailIosMobile@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1431048291.91040.YahooMailIosMobile@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1583653734.2536540.1431070702820.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> My original message bounced back because I can't get the formatting to turn off on my Yahoo app. Text is below. Here's an early morning Facebook post from Bob describing the issues he's run into this week. Apparently you need to be logged in to view it. http://www.facebook.com/groups/WJIB740/permalink/10152695298161012/ On Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:24 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: Bob has mentioned this a bit on Facebook. IIRC, there is an issue where the transmitter isn't staying on while WJIB is on night power. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At May 7, 2015, 8:04:54 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I found WJIB off the air last night around midnight or so. I wonder how >long the power outage had been around. > > > >On 5/7/2015 11:12 AM, Bob Clements wrote: >> WJIB Cambridge is off the air at the moment. >> >> I happened to be in the area, and went over to the building to >> see what's up. There is a failure of a power splice in the >> street (Concord Avenue). Lots of power company people in >> the area. I talked with some of the other people in the >> building, too. Sounds like at least one phase of the power >> is dead. >> >> Reportedly, Bob is on his way down from Maine for another >> reason anyway. With the high voltage in the street, the need >> for coordinating a shutdown in the area and doing the repair >> and so on, it'll be a while yet. >> >> I hoped I could just walk in, hit a couple reset buttons on >> the computer, and all would be well. No such luck. >> >> Bob, K1BC >> > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 92 State Street | Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 9 12:57:23 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 12:57:23 -0400 Subject: Lou Dumont Message-ID: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> So, first we find out that we've lost Larry Glavin, and now we've lost Lou Dumont, a veteran broadcaster some of you may have worked with. Lou had a long career (spanning five decades) in both radio and TV in Boston, and he was a dear human being. His obit can be read here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=lucien-emile-dumont&pid=174815612&fhid=20838 From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Sat May 9 14:26:29 2015 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:26:29 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: W Message-ID: <554E5155.30905@Gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote, > So, first we find out that we've lost Larry Glavin, and now > we've lost Lou Dumont And don?t forget about Mark Katic, last month, who just got inducted this week in the RI Radio Hall Of Fame. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@Gmail.com Sat May 9 14:29:45 2015 From: Kaimbridge@Gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:29:45 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Lou Dumont Message-ID: <554E5219.3010308@Gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote, > So, first we find out that we've lost Larry Glavin, and now > we've lost Lou Dumont And don?t forget about Mark Katic, last month, who just got inducted this week in the RI Radio Hall Of Fame. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat May 9 14:56:29 2015 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 18:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Lou Dumont In-Reply-To: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> References: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1702517313.4140457.1431197790050.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?? I was not familiar with Lou Dumont -- which, after reading the very, very fine obituary, makes me feel ignorant. God bless him. I highly commend the obit to everyone's attention. Mr. Dumont did a truly amazing array of things in broadcasting. Or, as the old black-humor joke goes, I guess he just couldn't hold a job. :)) . From markwats@comcast.net Sun May 10 15:29:59 2015 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:29:59 -0400 Subject: Lou Dumont In-Reply-To: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> References: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <006201d08b57$b4d073c0$1e715b40$@comcast.net> Donna Halper wrote: >So, first we find out that we've lost Larry Glavin, and now we've lost Lou Dumont, a veteran broadcaster some of you may have worked with. Sorry to hear of the passing of both Larry & Lou. Lou Dumont may be one of the last living links to the first day of WMUR-TV, as well as the early days of broadcasting in general in New England. Sadly I also add the news that Bill McDermod, who did overnights for many years at WHEB in Portsmouth NH back when they were "The Star Station for Northern New England" passed on May 8th at the age of 65. The obituary from Foster's Daily Democrat mentions that he was a part time announcer at WSHK for several years as well. I was unable to link the obituary to this post. Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Sun May 10 15:42:30 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:42:30 -0400 Subject: Lou Dumont In-Reply-To: <006201d08b57$b4d073c0$1e715b40$@comcast.net> References: <554E3C73.2040706@donnahalper.com> <006201d08b57$b4d073c0$1e715b40$@comcast.net> Message-ID: The Shark offers this online tribute to Bill http://shark1053.com/in-memorium-bill-mcdermod/ On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Donna Halper wrote: > > >So, first we find out that we've lost Larry Glavin, and now we've lost Lou > Dumont, a veteran broadcaster some of you may have worked with. > > Sorry to hear of the passing of both Larry & Lou. Lou Dumont may be one of > the last living links to the first day of WMUR-TV, as well as the early > days > of broadcasting in general in New England. > Sadly I also add the news that Bill McDermod, who did overnights for many > years at WHEB in Portsmouth NH back when they were "The Star Station for > Northern New England" passed on May 8th at the age of 65. The obituary from > Foster's Daily Democrat mentions that he was a part time announcer at WSHK > for several years as well. I was unable to link the obituary to this post. > Mark Watson > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 15 01:35:54 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:35:54 -0400 Subject: WJIB gone silent Message-ID: <555585BA.4080804@attorneyross.com> WJIB seems to have just gone silent a few minutes ago. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 15 03:29:05 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 03:29:05 -0400 Subject: WJIB gone silent In-Reply-To: <555585BA.4080804@attorneyross.com> References: <555585BA.4080804@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: 3:30 AM Bing Crosby loud and clear in Inman Sq :) On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:35 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > WJIB seems to have just gone silent a few minutes ago. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun May 17 00:23:22 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 00:23:22 -0400 Subject: WJIB gone silent In-Reply-To: References: <555585BA.4080804@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <555817BA.9010702@attorneyross.com> Glad to hear it didn't stay silent for very long. On 5/15/2015 3:29 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > 3:30 AM Bing Crosby loud and clear in Inman Sq :) > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:35 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: >> WJIB seems to have just gone silent a few minutes ago. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4342/9779 - Release Date: 05/15/15 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Tue May 19 23:11:02 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:11:02 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> Just caught this. Any background on it? Anyone picking him up? Election season and all, it's got to kick up some numbers. Rush is heard here on WVMT (620 Burlington) but with only spotty VT coverage. Bill O'Neill From tlmedia@intrstar.net Wed May 20 05:23:02 2015 From: tlmedia@intrstar.net (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 05:23:02 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> According to this, it's true. http://www.mediaite.com/online/bostons-talk-radio-station-wrko-drops-rush-limbaugh-show/ -----Original Message----- From: billohno@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:11 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Just caught this. Any background on it? Anyone picking him up? Election season and all, it's got to kick up some numbers. Rush is heard here on WVMT (620 Burlington) but with only spotty VT coverage. Bill O'Neill From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 20 08:40:42 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Unless something has changed recently, Rush's show is unusual in that it's not available on a barter basis; stations have to pay cash for it. Therefore, I don't think he'll find another Boston station; unless I misunderstand what I've read, Entercom didn't want to pay his price. Would 1510 or any other station be willing to do so? Rob From billohno@gmail.com Wed May 20 06:57:17 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 06:57:17 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> I'm sure Scott will have the scoop on the details next week (caught his Tuesday report.) Bill O'Neill > On May 20, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Ted Larsen wrote: > > According to this, it's true. http://www.mediaite.com/online/bostons-talk-radio-station-wrko-drops-rush-limbaugh-show/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billohno@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:11 PM > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Rush gone from WRKO > > Just caught this. Any background on it? Anyone picking him up? Election season and all, it's got to kick up some numbers. > > Rush is heard here on WVMT (620 Burlington) but with only spotty VT coverage. > > Bill O'Neill From Jibguy@aol.com Wed May 20 09:22:41 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:22:41 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned into, and will waive all fees just to stay in Boston. If they call me, I'll just ask: "What are you paying?" just for sh*ts & giggles. -------BB In a message dated 5/20/2015 9:19:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 011010001@interpring.com writes: Unless something has changed recently, Rush's show is unusual in that it's not available on a barter basis; stations have to pay cash for it. Therefore, I don't think he'll find another Boston station; unless I misunderstand what I've read, Entercom didn't want to pay his price. Would 1510 or any other station be willing to do so? Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 20 10:00:04 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 10:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned into, and will waive > all fees just to stay in Boston. If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have to do it for all the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. Rob From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed May 20 12:10:38 2015 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:10:38 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> On 5/20/2015 6:57 AM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > I'm sure Scott will have the scoop on the details next week (caught his Tuesday report.) > Rightly or wrongly, Rush Limbaugh's downfall began with the Sandra Fluke fiasco, when he totally misrepresented what Ms. Fluke had actually said, and then attacked her personally by calling her vile names for four days. Yes, it was lefties who organized a boycott of his sponsors, but even some moderate Republicans and MANY businesses were increasingly uncomfortable with the hatefulness of his rant and how long it went on -- it was well over the line from satire or political commentary, and a few rightie bloggers, who at first were in favor of attacking Ms. Fluke because she was an advocate for "Obamacare," quickly saw that this was becoming a problem and said he ought to back off. He didn't. And you know how advertisers hate being associated with controversy. So, even the ones who personally liked and agreed with Limbaugh began to pull their ads from his show; and the rest, as they say, is history. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue May 19 17:45:16 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5lbHNvbg==?=) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WRKO, WMEX changes Message-ID: <000f4246.62998dfe296b5e79@gmail.com> News broke today that in the near future WRKO will drop Rush Limbaugh.Speculation is a new morning show in association with boston.com,and perhaps Kuhner to noon. Meanwhile WMEX announces a new morning show with Joe Ligotti 6-10am starting June 2.He had co-hosted the Joe and Huggy show on WTKK.The station is operating under an LMA with Daly XXL of Wilmington NC. Both stationsare accenting local content with these announcements,and WRKO will probably have local hosts from 6am to 7pm weekdays. http://www.radioink.com/article.asp?id=2929904&spid=24698&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed May 20 05:45:11 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 05:45:11 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: While he was a huge success for years,Rush has lost some of his appeal and it's a chance for Entercom to get ad dollars from a local host,probably Kuhner in his slot. From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 20 14:54:34 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 2015, Donna Halper wrote: > Rightly or wrongly, Rush Limbaugh's downfall began with the Sandra Fluke > fiasco, when he totally misrepresented what Ms. Fluke had actually said, and > then attacked her personally by calling her vile names for four days. Yes, > it was lefties who organized a boycott of his sponsors, but even some > moderate Republicans and MANY businesses were increasingly uncomfortable with > the hatefulness of his rant and how long it went on -- it was well over the > line from satire or political commentary, and a few rightie bloggers, who at > first were in favor of attacking Ms. Fluke because she was an advocate for > "Obamacare," quickly saw that this was becoming a problem and said he ought > to back off. He didn't. And you know how advertisers hate being associated > with controversy. So, even the ones who personally liked and agreed with > Limbaugh began to pull their ads from his show; and the rest, as they say, is > history. I'm not sure of that. My impression is that most advertisers don't particularly care what someone does on the air as long as it attracts ears to their messages. The people in the "boycott Rush" movement are not, as far as I can tell, in his target demographic, which is working-class white men. He never did anything to alienate his target audience or give them any reason not to patronize his sponsors. I think the most likely explanation for Limbaugh's decline is that his listeners are now too old. Younger men seem to prefer sports talk to politics. Every dog has his day. The sun is setting on Rush Limnbaugh. Rob From billohno@gmail.com Wed May 20 14:46:40 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:46:40 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> I agree. The syndicator can't go long without clearing a market such as Boston. Perhaps a (rimshot) FM? Bill O'Neill Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 20, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > > Not so. Agreements can be, and usually are quite secretive. If no Boston station takes Rush on sydicator's terms, how fast do you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY a Boston station to air Rush? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major disaster for Rush/syndicator. Just that statement would make stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy? > > > In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 011010001@interpring.com writes: > > > On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > > > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned into, and will waive > > all fees just to stay in Boston. > > If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have to do it for all > the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. > > > Rob From Jibguy@aol.com Wed May 20 14:21:19 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:21:19 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: Not so. Agreements can be, and usually are quite secretive. If no Boston station takes Rush on sydicator's terms, how fast do you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY a Boston station to air Rush? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major disaster for Rush/syndicator. Just that statement would make stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy? In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 011010001@interpring.com writes: On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned into, and will waive > all fees just to stay in Boston. If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have to do it for all the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 20 15:05:44 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > Not so.? Agreements can be, and usually are?quite secretive.? If no Boston > station takes?Rush on?sydicator's terms, how fast do you think syndicator > might actually offer to PAY?a Boston station to air Rush? Yet they don't seem to have offered WRKO such a deal. There aren't very many other stations that might take him. Does Salem still run conservative talk in this market? If not, then WMEX is pretty much the only alternative. >?Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major disaster for Rush/syndicator.? > Just that statement would make stations all over the USA wonder... why > keep this guy?? Premiere will probably claim Boston is too liberal for Rush, citing the spectacular failure of "Rush Radio" on 1200 a couple years ago. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 20 15:10:38 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> Message-ID: How embarrassing would it be for Mr. Limbaugh to be pulling a .1 share on some station in Fitchburg or Plymouth? Rob On Wed, 20 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > I agree. The syndicator can't go long without clearing a market such as > Boston. Perhaps a (rimshot) FM? > > Bill O'Neill > > Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > > On May 20, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > > Not so.? Agreements can be, and usually are?quite secretive.? If > no Boston station takes?Rush on?sydicator's terms, how fast do > you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY?a Boston > station to air Rush??? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major > disaster for Rush/syndicator.? Just that statement would make > stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy?? > ? > ? > In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > 011010001@interpring.com writes: > > > On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > > > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned > into, and will waive > > all fees just to stay in Boston. > > If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have > to do it for all > the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. > > > Rob > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed May 20 16:57:06 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:57:06 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <21852.62754.874249.448768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm not sure of that. My impression is that most advertisers don't > particularly care what someone does on the air as long as it attracts ears > to their messages. The people in the "boycott Rush" movement are not, as > far as I can tell, in his target demographic, which is working-class white > men. He never did anything to alienate his target audience or give them > any reason not to patronize his sponsors. You have to keep separate the two different kinds of advertisers: general-audience advertisers, who are just looking for impressions, are the ones who would be affected by any sort of boycott -- the Unilevers and MolsonCoorses and Walmarts of the world. Advertisers who don't target a general audience anyway are the ones least likely to care, because they're not losing any sales. (They might even gain sales, in that target demo, by continued association with a controversial host in the face of an organized boycott.) Which brings me to: > I think the most likely explanation for Limbaugh's decline is that his > listeners are now too old. Younger men seem to prefer sports talk to > politics. This, I think, is actually correct. There simply are not enough advertisers specifically interested in the older male demos who still listen to Rush -- and with PPM measurement in the top markets, it's become clear that even those demos aren't listening as religiously as was previously thought based on diary reporting. Even older people have competing demands on their ears and new ways to entertain themselves. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed May 20 17:05:55 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIE5lbHNvbg==?=) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <000f4246.6aa02c0a700e48c9@gmail.com> Salem ran conservative talk in Boston on 1150 some years ago,but not now (they could buy 1260 and put it there but I doubt it;they did just launch conserv. talk on the former WTAE (yrs ago) in Pittsburgh. From billohno@gmail.com Wed May 20 15:28:04 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:28:04 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank Bill O' Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 20, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > How embarrassing would it be for Mr. Limbaugh to be pulling a .1 share on some station in Fitchburg or Plymouth? > > Rob > >> On Wed, 20 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I agree. The syndicator can't go long without clearing a market such as >> Boston. Perhaps a (rimshot) FM? >> Bill O'Neill >> Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. >> On May 20, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >> >> Not so. Agreements can be, and usually are quite secretive. If >> no Boston station takes Rush on sydicator's terms, how fast do >> you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY a Boston >> station to air Rush? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major >> disaster for Rush/syndicator. Just that statement would make >> stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy? >> >> >> In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> 011010001@interpring.com writes: >> >> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >> >> > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned >> into, and will waive >> > all fees just to stay in Boston. >> >> If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have >> to do it for all >> the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. >> >> Rob From wollman@bimajority.org Wed May 20 18:07:48 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:07:48 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank He's still on iHeart's WTAG (580 Worcester) -- did they break Worcester back out of the Boston market while I wasn't looking? -GAWollman From dave@skywaves.net Wed May 20 18:51:39 2015 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:51:39 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <21852.62754.874249.448768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> <21852.62754.874249.448768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002b01d0934f$889c0490$99d40db0$@skywaves.net> Hi, Garrett - > ...with PPM measurement in the top markets, it's become clear that even those demos aren't listening as religiously as was previously thought based on diary reporting. I'm not sure the case is that clear. There has always been a concern about fanatic listeners getting on a diary panel and over-reporting. I think Arbitron did a pretty good job of ferreting out the outliers, but modest over-reporting might well have slipped through. On the other hand, there seems to be pretty good evidence that PPM is inconsistent at best when reporting talk formats. Duty cycle in the 1-3 kHz range is what makes PPM work. You have to have consistent energy in that spectrum before the encoders can add the PPM signal. NPR, with its long pauses and word-swallowing hosts, is particularly vulnerable; but human speech - even that of screaming talk show hosts - simply does not have the duty cycle of pop music. (For the same reasons, classical music and some forms of jazz are also particularly susceptible to under-reporting.) A little over-reporting on the old diaries and an apparently built-in technological PPM bias against talk formats probably account for at least some of the reported decline, not only in talk formats, but in general listening. -d -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: Rob Landry Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Rush gone from WRKO < said: > I'm not sure of that. My impression is that most advertisers don't > particularly care what someone does on the air as long as it attracts > ears to their messages. The people in the "boycott Rush" movement are > not, as far as I can tell, in his target demographic, which is > working-class white men. He never did anything to alienate his target > audience or give them any reason not to patronize his sponsors. You have to keep separate the two different kinds of advertisers: general-audience advertisers, who are just looking for impressions, are the ones who would be affected by any sort of boycott -- the Unilevers and MolsonCoorses and Walmarts of the world. Advertisers who don't target a general audience anyway are the ones least likely to care, because they're not losing any sales. (They might even gain sales, in that target demo, by continued association with a controversial host in the face of an organized boycott.) Which brings me to: > I think the most likely explanation for Limbaugh's decline is that his > listeners are now too old. Younger men seem to prefer sports talk to > politics. This, I think, is actually correct. There simply are not enough advertisers specifically interested in the older male demos who still listen to Rush -- and with PPM measurement in the top markets, it's become clear that even those demos aren't listening as religiously as was previously thought based on diary reporting. Even older people have competing demands on their ears and new ways to entertain themselves. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed May 20 20:42:05 2015 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 20:42:05 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555D29DD.40201@fybush.com> On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank > At one level, yes. But at another level, the numbers tanking create a problem for Premiere, because it's still paying Limbaugh on a contract that was negotiated when both the clearances and the numbers were good. It's hard to imagine a show with "big-market" clearances like WMEX or KEIB in Los Angeles making anywhere near enough money to justify the kind of money Limbaugh is reportedly being paid. There's not much Premiere can do about it while the contract is still in effect aside from eating whatever it's losing (and it's almost certainly losing significant money on the show now). But the Limbaugh deal is within its last year or two. The real story here, as I've been saying for some time now, will come when Limbaugh and Premiere sit down to negotiate their renewal. I don't think Limbaugh will want to keep working for whatever money his show will be worth to Premiere by 2016-17. Will his ego compel him to take a lower number to stay on the air...or to refuse one penny less than he's making now? Nobody else is likely to be matching Premiere's numbers, either. And if Premiere's financial interest in keeping the show afloat goes away, there go all those clearances on iHeart stations. Whatever happens in Boston is just a preface to a much bigger conflict in a year or so. Get that popcorn ready. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed May 20 22:08:55 2015 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 19:08:55 -0700 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1432174135.89595.YahooMailBasic@web126003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Donna Halper wrote: > Rightly or wrongly, Rush Limbaugh's downfall began with the Sandra Fluke > fiasco, when he totally misrepresented what Ms. Fluke had actually said, and > then attacked her personally by calling her vile names for four days.? Yes, > it was lefties who organized a boycott of his sponsors, but even some > moderate Republicans and MANY businesses were increasingly uncomfortable with > the hatefulness of his rant and how long it went on -- it was well over the > line from satire or political commentary, and a few rightie bloggers, who at > first were in favor of attacking Ms. Fluke because she was an advocate for > "Obamacare," quickly saw that this was becoming a problem and said he ought > to back off.? He didn't.? On Wed, 20 May 2015, Rob Landry wrote: >> I'm not sure of that. My impression is that most advertisers don't particularly care what someone does on the air as long as it attracts ears to their messages. The people in the "boycott Rush" movement are not, as far as I can tell, in his target demographic, which is working-class white men. He never did anything to alienate his target audience or give them any reason not to patronize his sponsors.<< I would agree with Rob...I don't believe he went on "for days" calling her "vile names". He made a reference to what people call a woman who wants to be paid/reimbursed for sex. Bad judgement? Quite possibly. But that was a one-time thing. I don't believe the "boycott Rush" really did anything, except spread disinformation about how Rush calls people "vile names" and is so "hateful". His listeners didn't care about any boycott. And when he gets dropped from a LOCAL station, it has little to do with national campaigns or national spot sales. Stations were paying cash for the program...and it has gotten to the point where stations reconsidered the ROI on the cost of keeping it...and the marketplace has tilted. I do love how liberals are tickled with glee and attributing all sorts of philosophical reasons why the show has been removed from a few major stations. "See, I told you he wouldn't last!" After, what? a 30+year run? You've been holding that "see I told you so" for 30 years? ;-) As Rob said: "Every dog has his day. The sun is setting on Rush" No big reasons, he had his days (years) in the sun, he has peaked (along with AM radio), and the sun might indeed be setting on his radio career...but man, what a career it's been! From joe@attorneyross.com Wed May 20 22:42:14 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 22:42:14 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555D4606.8050605@attorneyross.com> It may be that for Rush or for the syndicator, but why would a local station want to carry someone whose ratings tank? Could the syndicator make it THAT much worth the station's while? On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank > > Bill O' > > Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > >> On May 20, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: >> >> >> How embarrassing would it be for Mr. Limbaugh to be pulling a .1 share on some station in Fitchburg or Plymouth? >> >> Rob >> >>> On Wed, 20 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I agree. The syndicator can't go long without clearing a market such as >>> Boston. Perhaps a (rimshot) FM? >>> Bill O'Neill >>> Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. >>> On May 20, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Not so. Agreements can be, and usually are quite secretive. If >>> no Boston station takes Rush on sydicator's terms, how fast do >>> you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY a Boston >>> station to air Rush? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major >>> disaster for Rush/syndicator. Just that statement would make >>> stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy? >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> 011010001@interpring.com writes: >>> >>> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned >>> into, and will waive >>> > all fees just to stay in Boston. >>> >>> If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have >>> to do it for all >>> the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. >>> >>> Rob > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9827 - Release Date: 05/20/15 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed May 20 22:43:53 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 22:43:53 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> With WEZE at 590, I don't think WTAG really makes it into Boston. On 5/20/2015 6:07 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank > He's still on iHeart's WTAG (580 Worcester) -- did they break Worcester > back out of the Boston market while I wasn't looking? > > -GAWollman > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9827 - Release Date: 05/20/15 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From Jibguy@aol.com Thu May 21 02:32:53 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 02:32:53 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <149815.617edab1.428ed615@aol.com> If a station has an overall 0.1 in the ratings, and Rush's show is down to a 1.2, then that 1.2 looks real good to 1510.... uh... I mean "the station with the 0.1". ---BB In a message dated 5/21/2015 1:45:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: It may be that for Rush or for the syndicator, but why would a local station want to carry someone whose ratings tank? Could the syndicator make it THAT much worth the station's while? On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > It's all about market clearance even if the numbers tank > > Bill O' > > Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > >> On May 20, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: >> >> >> How embarrassing would it be for Mr. Limbaugh to be pulling a .1 share on some station in Fitchburg or Plymouth? >> >> Rob >> >>> On Wed, 20 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I agree. The syndicator can't go long without clearing a market such as >>> Boston. Perhaps a (rimshot) FM? >>> Bill O'Neill >>> Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. >>> On May 20, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Not so. Agreements can be, and usually are quite secretive. If >>> no Boston station takes Rush on sydicator's terms, how fast do >>> you think syndicator might actually offer to PAY a Boston >>> station to air Rush? Rush, not on the air in BOSTON is a major >>> disaster for Rush/syndicator. Just that statement would make >>> stations all over the USA wonder... why keep this guy? >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 5/20/2015 10:00:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> 011010001@interpring.com writes: >>> >>> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> > Syndicator might realize what a lemon Rush has turned >>> into, and will waive >>> > all fees just to stay in Boston. >>> >>> If Premiere (Limbaugh's syndicator) did that, they'd have >>> to do it for all >>> the other markets, and they'd lose a wad of money. >>> >>> Rob > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9827 - Release Date: 05/20/15 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From 011010001@interpring.com Thu May 21 07:10:09 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 07:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <002b01d0934f$889c0490$99d40db0$@skywaves.net> References: <85181E9E-49BD-49B9-81EB-C541D83E46CB@gmail.com> <56977406B2EC46A3B4DB8DA6A829DE28@OwnerPC> <97F36659-4B40-45FB-A949-FBA21DEFD57A@gmail.com> <555CB1FE.3040301@donnahalper.com> <21852.62754.874249.448768@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <002b01d0934f$889c0490$99d40db0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 2015, Dave Doherty wrote: > On the other hand, there seems to be pretty good evidence that PPM is > inconsistent at best when reporting talk formats. Duty cycle in the 1-3 > kHz range is what makes PPM work. You have to have consistent energy in > that spectrum before the encoders can add the PPM signal. I'm skeptical of that. The 1 - 3 KHz range is exactly where most of the energy in human speech falls. If anything, talk stations should be favored by a system that utilizes this spectrum range. My gut tells me that at the core of this debate are some broadcasters whose programming no longer attracts listeners as well as it used to, and who have seized on PPM as a convenient scapegoat. It's not us, they say, it's the technology that isn't delivering. How many times have we found ourselves at a station that isn't reaching its audience effectively, and been asked "are you sure the transmitter is putting out 100% power?" It's the same phenomenon: there's nothing wrong with our programming, the technology must be at fault. It doesn't help that a certain company is now selling a box they claim will cure the alleged problem by enhancing the audibility of the PPM codes in your station's signal. And it's only $15,000. > NPR, with its long pauses and word-swallowing hosts, is particularly > vulnerable; but human speech - even that of screaming talk show hosts - > simply does not have the duty cycle of pop music. (For the same reasons, > classical music and some forms of jazz are also particularly susceptible to > under-reporting.) Well, I was at WCRB long enough to have seen Arbitron data from the diary and PPM eras. There wasn't much difference. The big change came when Arbitron decided to add southern New Hampshire and half of Worcester County to the Boston market; everyone's numbers went down when that happened. But PPM? WCRB's numbers weren't much different than they were with the diaries, but they were a lot more consistent. The diary numbers used to bounce up and down a lot more. If PPM was penalizing WCRB for its classical format, we didn't see it. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Thu May 21 08:26:42 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Subject: Re: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 02:32:53 -0400 From: Jibguy@aol.com To: joe@attorneyross.com, boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Rush gone from WRKO If a station has an overall 0.1 in the ratings, and Rush's show is down to a 1.2, then that 1.2 looks real good to 1510.... uh... I mean "the station with the 0.1". ---BB I don't think his share got as high as 1.2 during his stint on WXKS two or three years ago, although I may be mistaken; since the sale fo WCRB in 2009 I don't have access to Arbitron/Nielsen any more. Rob From wollman@bimajority.org Thu May 21 13:09:52 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 13:09:52 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <21854.4448.757683.39955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > With WEZE at 590, I don't think WTAG really makes it into Boston. We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether anyone in Boston can actually hear it. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Thu May 21 16:02:07 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 16:02:07 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <21854.4448.757683.39955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> <21854.4448.757683.39955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > > We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether > anyone in Boston can actually hear it. > > -GAWollman Worcester would fulfil that requirement for "Boston". What does Rush pull down per year? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu May 21 20:25:27 2015 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:25:27 -0700 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1432254327.5624.YahooMailBasic@web126005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Dave Doherty wrote: > On the other hand, there seems to be pretty good evidence that PPM is > inconsistent at best when reporting talk formats. Duty cycle in the 1-3 > kHz range is what makes PPM work.? You have to have consistent energy in > that spectrum before the encoders can add the PPM signal. Then, On Thu, 5/21/15, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: I'm skeptical of that. The 1 - 3 KHz range is exactly where most of the energy in human speech falls. << Here is more on the theory that is getting increase notice about the 1-3 KHZ lack of PPM response. http://www.radioinsights.com/2015/05/everything-you-know-about-ppm-wrong.html From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Thu May 21 12:23:09 2015 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 12:23:09 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: Rush started in this market on WCAP, remember. But going to a small market station (yeah, yeah, yeah, I know "Lowell's Most Powerful Station" is says in the Linoleum) when you're becoming established is a lot different than stopping there on the way back down the food chain. Rush's problems aren't due to boycotts or even signal strength. He's aged out of any attractive demographic. He's also become irrelevant. Cable television is loaded with people who do the Limbaugh material; there's even an entire network devoted to it (Faux News). Limbaugh is done, much like Mr. Carr who had to eat his words because there just isn't much of a market for his routine any longer. Rush founders in his own irrelevance and in the irrelevance of AM broadcasting. He's run his course. The trouble for the syndicator, thorugh, is there's nothing to replace him. Syndicated shock joks and Him and Her with The Morning (insert stupid name here) and sportstalk have leaped over political talk. But radio programmers are notoriously inept at innovation, so until some lucky fool catches lightening in a bottle, and is immediately copied by the rest of the sheep, the medium will stagnate. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu May 21 22:30:04 2015 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:30:04 -0700 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1432261804.79071.YahooMailBasic@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5/21/15, Karen McTrotsky wrote: Rush's problems aren't due to boycotts or even signal strength. He's aged out of any attractive demographic. Limbaugh is done, much like Mr. Carr who had to eat his words because there just isn't much of a market for his routine any longer. >>>> Is there room for ANY "routines" anymore on AM radio? It's not just Howie, Rush or anyone in particular...it's AM radio in general. Remember, WRKO fliiped into THE Talk Station over 30 years ago, and it was an already a format for older demos. Add 33 years...and there are few desirable demos as Karen stated, and there is no one, no "acts", no routines, that seem to get traction anymore. When was the last sucessful launch on AM radio? Last one I remember is when Sportsradio hit the AM dial all over America. Can't think of anything since then....and the AM talk format is starting to sunset...and taking with it, those that rode the crest. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 22 01:36:13 2015 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 01:36:13 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <555EC01B.4010705@attorneyross.com> References: <555EC01B.4010705@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <555EC04D.9080706@attorneyross.com> On 5/21/2015 1:09 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether > anyone in Boston can actually hear it. I see, so clearance is entirely fictitious. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From Jibguy@aol.com Fri May 22 07:11:41 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 07:11:41 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <1f3c35.c649ba.429068ec@aol.com> That is quite true in many markets. It matters not whether all the advertisers get ripped off or not. I remember in the early days of USA Radio News, their "Boston" station was WGAW-1340 Gardner, MA. That's 1000 watts on a graveyard frequency barely reaching Leominster. ----jibguy In a message dated 5/22/2015 2:39:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: On 5/21/2015 1:09 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether > anyone in Boston can actually hear it. I see, so clearance is entirely fictitious. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 22 08:16:52 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 08:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 May 2015, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > Limbaugh is done, much like Mr. Carr who had to eat his words because > there just isn't much of a market for his routine any longer. Rush > founders in his own irrelevance and in the irrelevance of AM > broadcasting. He's run his course. The trouble for the syndicator, > thorugh, is there's nothing to replace him. Sports talk. That appears to be the future of talk radio, at least in the near term. AM broadcasting and FM broadcasting aren't particularly different. It's the content that matters. Where there is something on AM radio worth listening to, people listen to it. Where there is not, people ignore it. The problem is, I think, that many broadcasters are too deeply in debt to be able to afford the talent they need to attract and keep an audience. They have forgotten that radio is show business, and air talent is what draws people to listen. You can't substitute machines for artists, nor can you take a random person off the street and make him or her a star. Consider all the people who've tried to compete with Rush Limbaugh over the years, including big name politicians like Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee. They all failed. Limbaugh, who started as a local DJ in (Missouri? I forget) had the talent to succeed in radio where they did not. There are AM radio stations that are nurturing local talent. WSRO's Frilei Bras and Leandrinho Moura are doing an amazing job connecting to their listeners; the enthusiasm and excitement they generate can be felt in their shows even if you don't understand a word of what they say ("I'm on a Brazilian, wo-wo, radio..."), and the station is getting noticed, both by political leaders and by major advertisers. No, AM is not dead yet. Rob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri May 22 10:41:16 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 10:41:16 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sports is indeed what's hot. As for Mr. Carr, he may not necessarily have gone national but he now has two dozen affiliates at this point (including new stations in Manchester NH, Lowell, Pittsfield, and New Bedford) and while he had to go crawling back to WRKO (now an affiliate, not his employer) they had to kind of go crawling back to him when their PMD ratings went down. Rush started as a DJ at a station in Cape Girardeau, MO and did stints at two Pittsburgh stations. "Faux News" as some call it does well in the ratings for night time shows at least, but maybe because they have all of the Right to themselves. Shockingly, MSNBC has been rumored to be shifting to the right after their ratings hit historic lows. When a "liberal answer to Rush", Air America, started in 2004, their Jon Sinton predicted "in five years we'll have 500 stations". Instead they went out of business. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > > Limbaugh is done, much like Mr. Carr who had to eat his words because >> there just isn't much of a market for his routine any longer. Rush founders >> in his own irrelevance and in the irrelevance of AM broadcasting. He's run >> his course. The trouble for the syndicator, thorugh, is there's nothing to >> replace him. >> > > Sports talk. That appears to be the future of talk radio, at least in the > near term. > > AM broadcasting and FM broadcasting aren't particularly different. It's > the content that matters. Where there is something on AM radio worth > listening to, people listen to it. Where there is not, people ignore it. > > The problem is, I think, that many broadcasters are too deeply in debt to > be able to afford the talent they need to attract and keep an audience. > They have forgotten that radio is show business, and air talent is what > draws people to listen. You can't substitute machines for artists, nor can > you take a random person off the street and make him or her a star. > > Consider all the people who've tried to compete with Rush Limbaugh over > the years, including big name politicians like Fred Thompson and Mike > Huckabee. They all failed. Limbaugh, who started as a local DJ in > (Missouri? I forget) had the talent to succeed in radio where they did not. > > There are AM radio stations that are nurturing local talent. WSRO's Frilei > Bras and Leandrinho Moura are doing an amazing job connecting to their > listeners; the enthusiasm and excitement they generate can be felt in their > shows even if you don't understand a word of what they say ("I'm on a > Brazilian, wo-wo, radio..."), and the station is getting noticed, both by > political leaders and by major advertisers. No, AM is not dead yet. > > > Rob > From scott@fybush.com Fri May 22 11:52:13 2015 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:52:13 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <555EC04D.9080706@attorneyross.com> References: <555EC01B.4010705@attorneyross.com> <555EC04D.9080706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <555F50AD.7030403@fybush.com> On 5/22/2015 1:36 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 5/21/2015 1:09 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether >> anyone in Boston can actually hear it. > > I see, so clearance is entirely fictitious. > Not entirely. There's "clearance for the sake of claiming to look big in trade publication ads," and for that purpose, the industry seems to have standardized on the use of TV DMAs, which is why Gardner or Laconia count as "Boston." If you're a third- or fourth-tier network trying to look impressive, every little bit counts, and in any event, everyone's wise to the game that's being played anyway. But then there's the game iHeart/Premiere is trying to play, which is "avoid losing too much more money on a $50-million-a-year contract." THAT game needs more than a rimshot clearance to keep the bubble from bursting, and everyone's wise to that as well. As I've been saying all along, the real Rush story isn't what happens with WRKO or WMEX. It's what happens when renewal time comes around on his national contract with Premiere next year and we find out what he's really worth at that point. As for Garrett's Worcester question, it's my understanding that Worcester County is split - the northern part, including Fitchburg, is Boston market (so WPKZ would continue to count as a Rush clearance in "Boston" for at least PR purposes), but most of southern Worcester County is its own radio market. s From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri May 22 11:53:43 2015 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:53:43 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fox News has two components: - news and opinion shows. The opinion shows seem to get the most attention. They are primarily conservative, but there are exceptions: Greta Van Sustren seems to have both left and right views. Their 6 PM news show to be pretty even. It seems the folks that like to call it "Faux News" tend to focus on the most extreme hosts. The same could be said about the MSNBC opinion shows, except there's no clever way to make "MSNBC" sound like a word for "fake". MSNBC bills itself as a "progressive" network. Their only non-liberal host is on at 6AM in the morning. Fox has far superior ratings to MSNBC (at least in total numbers). This mirrors the AM talk show experience of liberal vs. conservative. I think part of this is that at least on television, conservative viewers see most of the networks as having a liberal bias. This causes them to congregate on one channel. Those who don't feel that way are distributed amongst CNN, CNNHN, MSNBC, and a host of others. Younger views who tend to be liberal aren't watching straight news at all. What is surprising is no other network has decided to take on Fox head-to-head. Are news organizations so biased that it overrides business decisions? This is difficult to believe. Is the demographic for conservative news television so skewed that the other networks would have a smaller audience for which there are more advertisers? No one seems to have come up with a definitive answer. -Bob On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Sports is indeed what's hot. As for Mr. Carr, he may not necessarily have > gone national but he now has two dozen affiliates at this point (including > new stations in Manchester NH, Lowell, Pittsfield, and New Bedford) and > while he had to go crawling back to WRKO (now an affiliate, not his > employer) they had to kind of go crawling back to him when their PMD > ratings went down. > > Rush started as a DJ at a station in Cape Girardeau, MO and did stints at > two Pittsburgh stations. "Faux News" as some call it does well in the > ratings for night time shows at least, but maybe because they have all of > the Right to themselves. Shockingly, MSNBC has been rumored to be shifting > to the right after their ratings hit historic lows. When a "liberal answer > to Rush", Air America, started in 2004, their Jon Sinton predicted "in five > years we'll have 500 stations". Instead they went out of business. > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > > > > Limbaugh is done, much like Mr. Carr who had to eat his words because > >> there just isn't much of a market for his routine any longer. Rush > founders > >> in his own irrelevance and in the irrelevance of AM broadcasting. He's > run > >> his course. The trouble for the syndicator, thorugh, is there's > nothing to > >> replace him. > >> > > > > Sports talk. That appears to be the future of talk radio, at least in the > > near term. > > > > AM broadcasting and FM broadcasting aren't particularly different. It's > > the content that matters. Where there is something on AM radio worth > > listening to, people listen to it. Where there is not, people ignore it. > > > > The problem is, I think, that many broadcasters are too deeply in debt to > > be able to afford the talent they need to attract and keep an audience. > > They have forgotten that radio is show business, and air talent is what > > draws people to listen. You can't substitute machines for artists, nor > can > > you take a random person off the street and make him or her a star. > > > > Consider all the people who've tried to compete with Rush Limbaugh over > > the years, including big name politicians like Fred Thompson and Mike > > Huckabee. They all failed. Limbaugh, who started as a local DJ in > > (Missouri? I forget) had the talent to succeed in radio where they did > not. > > > > There are AM radio stations that are nurturing local talent. WSRO's > Frilei > > Bras and Leandrinho Moura are doing an amazing job connecting to their > > listeners; the enthusiasm and excitement they generate can be felt in > their > > shows even if you don't understand a word of what they say ("I'm on a > > Brazilian, wo-wo, radio..."), and the station is getting noticed, both by > > political leaders and by major advertisers. No, AM is not dead yet. > > > > > > Rob > > > From billohno@gmail.com Fri May 22 14:42:11 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:42:11 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <555F50AD.7030403@fybush.com> References: <555EC01B.4010705@attorneyross.com> <555EC04D.9080706@attorneyross.com> <555F50AD.7030403@fybush.com> Message-ID: Sent from my mobile. Please pardon the brevity. > On May 22, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> On 5/22/2015 1:36 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: >> >>> On 5/21/2015 1:09 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>> >>> We're talking about clearance in "the Boston market", not whether >>> anyone in Boston can actually hear it. >> >> I see, so clearance is entirely fictitious. > > Not entirely. > > There's "clearance for the sake of claiming to look big in trade publication ads," and for that purpose, the industry seems to have standardized on the use of TV DMAs, which is why Gardner or Laconia count as "Boston." If you're a third- or fourth-tier network trying to look impressive, every little bit counts, and in any event, everyone's wise to the game that's being played anyway. > > But then there's the game iHeart/Premiere is trying to play, which is "avoid losing too much more money on a $50-million-a-year contract." THAT game needs more than a rimshot clearance to keep the bubble from bursting, and everyone's wise to that as well. As I've been saying all along, the real Rush story isn't what happens with WRKO or WMEX. It's what happens when renewal time comes around on his national contract with Premiere next year and we find out what he's really worth at that point. > > As for Garrett's Worcester question, it's my understanding that Worcester County is split - the northern part, including Fitchburg, is Boston market (so WPKZ would continue to count as a Rush clearance in "Boston" for at least PR purposes), but most of southern Worcester County is its own radio market. > > s What is the potential for a SiriusXM type deal? Bill O' From kc1ih@mac.com Fri May 22 14:52:03 2015 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:52:03 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On May 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > Fox has far superior ratings to MSNBC (at least in total numbers). In part this is because many cable and satellite systems carry MSNBC on a higher tier than Fox News, and thus fewer people are able to watch MSNBC unless they up their subscription to a higher (and more expensive) tier. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Fri May 22 16:31:26 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 16:31:26 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21855.37406.254564.266074@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In part this is because many cable and satellite systems carry MSNBC > on a higher tier than Fox News, and thus fewer people are able to > watch MSNBC unless they up their subscription to a higher (and more > expensive) tier. But it's also true that the audience MSNBC is going after is younger than Fox's audience, and is used to getting its information from far more different sources. The Fox audience, as has been revealed in survey after survey, is distrustful of pretty much all other media outlets.[1] Both audiences tend to prefer sources that confirm their biases rather than challenging them. -GAWollman [1] With the minor exceptions of some avowedly-conservative print publications and talk radio. From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com Fri May 22 16:07:58 2015 From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 16:07:58 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO References: Message-ID: <72D612B0E9E04B17B13C208B6B7C7BEA@ownerd8aa55a4d> >> On May 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Bob DeMattia >> wrote: >> >> Fox has far superior ratings to MSNBC (at least in total numbers). > > From: "Larry Weil" > > In part this is because many cable and satellite systems carry MSNBC on a > higher tier than Fox News, and thus fewer people are able to watch > MSNBC... Is this the cause...or the effect? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri May 22 17:17:19 2015 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:17:19 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <72D612B0E9E04B17B13C208B6B7C7BEA@ownerd8aa55a4d> References: <72D612B0E9E04B17B13C208B6B7C7BEA@ownerd8aa55a4d> Message-ID: <21855.40159.900269.272682@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> From: "Larry Weil" >> >> In part this is because many cable and satellite systems carry MSNBC on a >> higher tier than Fox News, and thus fewer people are able to watch >> MSNBC... > Is this the cause...or the effect? Neither. If NBC wanted to use its retrans-consent muscle to get better carriage for MSNBC, as Fox does for its channels, they certainly could. But NBC being owned by Comcast puts them in a rather different situation both legally and economically -- and it's also pretty clear that NBC doesn't actually care *that* much about MSNBC's carriage, as compared to their other properties like USA and CNBC. (Leaving sports networks out of it as that's a totally different marketplace driven more by play-by-play rights than anything.) -GAWollman From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri May 22 20:03:03 2015 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 00:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: One of America's formerly great radio stations Message-ID: <41663410.875357.1432339383145.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ??? Now that WTIC (AM) has introduced a new regular feature during its Red Sox broadcasts -- periodically?playing a 2:00 local ad package during the middle of a half-inning -- I'd like to know: If I put a 50-foot high mast on my 30-foot roof with a directional FM antenna aimed at Rhode Island so I can get the WEEI repeater station, do I have to put a flashing red light on?top? :))) ?? Or, maybe I should wait until the next scheduled increase in the Connecticut minimum wage comes into effect, which will give the WTIC board operators a pay raise, to see if they can then hire qualified people. :))?? From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri May 22 20:49:28 2015 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 00:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> There is no way Rush or Premiere could positively spin a move from WRKO to WMEX or multiple suburban stations. Losing WRKO over money gives Premiere ammo in negotiating with Rush next year.? Would Rush accept less money, announce a retirement, or go the paid subscription route?? Two media stories this week:? Letterman retired and WRKO said no to Rush.? Letterman left at the right time.? Rush has stayed too long. From gary@garysicecream.com Fri May 22 21:50:58 2015 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 21:50:58 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> Way too long! Something I was told years ago by a giant in the radio business was "Leave when you are on top....not when you're on the slide down". Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dillane Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:49 PM To: Boston Radio Board Subject: Rush gone from WRKO There is no way Rush or Premiere could positively spin a move from WRKO to WMEX or multiple suburban stations. Losing WRKO over money gives Premiere ammo in negotiating with Rush next year. Would Rush accept less money, announce a retirement, or go the paid subscription route? Two media stories this week: Letterman retired and WRKO said no to Rush. Letterman left at the right time. Rush has stayed too long. From Jibguy@aol.com Fri May 22 23:12:13 2015 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 23:12:13 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO Message-ID: <17bb82.931bcbf.42914a0d@aol.com> And I can't see Comcast wanting to "up the circulation" for msnbc until they're able to conservative-ize it. ----BB In a message dated 5/22/2015 5:19:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: < said: >> From: "Larry Weil" >> >> In part this is because many cable and satellite systems carry MSNBC on a >> higher tier than Fox News, and thus fewer people are able to watch >> MSNBC... > Is this the cause...or the effect? Neither. If NBC wanted to use its retrans-consent muscle to get better carriage for MSNBC, as Fox does for its channels, they certainly could. But NBC being owned by Comcast puts them in a rather different situation both legally and economically -- and it's also pretty clear that NBC doesn't actually care *that* much about MSNBC's carriage, as compared to their other properties like USA and CNBC. (Leaving sports networks out of it as that's a totally different marketplace driven more by play-by-play rights than anything.) -GAWollman From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri May 22 22:40:42 2015 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 22:40:42 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Believe all MLB games are available on Siruis On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Martin Waters via Boston-Radio-Interest < boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Martin Waters > To: "boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org" < > boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 00:03:03 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: One of America's formerly great radio stations > Now that WTIC (AM) has introduced a new regular feature during its Red > Sox broadcasts -- periodically playing a 2:00 local ad package during the > middle of a half-inning -- I'd like to know: If I put a 50-foot high mast > on my 30-foot roof with a directional FM antenna aimed at Rhode Island so I > can get the WEEI repeater station, do I have to put a flashing red light > on top? :))) > Or, maybe I should wait until the next scheduled increase in the > Connecticut minimum wage comes into effect, which will give the WTIC board > operators a pay raise, to see if they can then hire qualified people. :)) > > From 011010001@interpring.com Sat May 23 09:23:50 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> <21854.4448.757683.39955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > Worcester would fulfil that requirement for "Boston". What does Rush > pull down per year? My understanding is that Limbaugh's contracts give his affiliates market exclusivity. So, if he's on both WTAG and WRKO, those stations must be in different markets. Some markets are "embedded" withi larger markets (e.g. San Jose within San Francisco; Nassau/Suffolk within New York). I don't believe Worcester is embedded within Boston; I think they are entirely separate. The Worcester maret does not include all of Worcester County, however, unless I'm mistaken. Rob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 23 09:47:17 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:47:17 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <55751592-D03E-4E49-A5D2-40039C237792@gmail.com> <21853.1460.484560.882986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <555D4669.1070704@attorneyross.com> <21854.4448.757683.39955@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Rush's last contract for Premiere was 8 years for a total of about $400 million, in 2008. Now he may wind up getting less, if he doesn't bolt for another syndicator or satellite radio. http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/7/rush-limbaugh-gets-400-million-to-rant-through-2016 A Wall Street Journal article from the same time says the contract was for $38 mil. per year for 8 years, plus a $100M signing bonus. WMEX's new leaser has unveiled a new website with a lineup featuring Joe Ligotti mornings starting June 2; Herald Radio 10-noon, Hannity at 6 pm and Savage at 9 pm. Noon to 6 to be announced; maybe they pick up Rush live at noon when he's done at RKO with the other slot going to Beck or someone else. On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, billohno@gmail.com wrote: > > Worcester would fulfil that requirement for "Boston". What does Rush pull >> down per year? >> > > My understanding is that Limbaugh's contracts give his affiliates market > exclusivity. So, if he's on both WTAG and WRKO, those stations must be in > different markets. > > Some markets are "embedded" withi larger markets (e.g. San Jose within San > Francisco; Nassau/Suffolk within New York). I don't believe Worcester is > embedded within Boston; I think they are entirely separate. > > The Worcester maret does not include all of Worcester County, however, > unless I'm mistaken. > > > Rob > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 23 11:43:51 2015 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 11:43:51 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> References: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: True indeed but 8 yrs ago Premiere was quite happy to offer him that contract,Since that time,demos have gotten older and PPMs hurt talk radio. If they renew him it could well be for much less and indeed,they could point to recent events such as Rush moving to weaker stations to say,hey, times have changed so the money won't be nowhere near what he had gotten before.Same thing happens in sports,entertainment,etc. with future contracts. WMEX doesn't subscribe to ratings but they are the only real option,and we know of their signal woes.At least the show's over by 3pm so unlike Howie,he isn't dealing with post-sunset hours. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Sat May 23 11:57:18 2015 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 11:57:18 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <001d01d09571$281bad90$785308b0$@comcast.net> With their critical hours pattern, I think they lose Framingham about 2 in the afternoon in the dead of winter, and don't pick it up until after 9 in the morning. >>WMEX doesn't subscribe to ratings but they are the only real option,and we know of their signal woes.At least the show's over by 3pm so unlike Howie,he isn't dealing with post-sunset hours. From billohno@gmail.com Sat May 23 09:41:35 2015 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:41:35 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> References: <231237806.374066.1432342168264.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <018701d094fa$eb1a2b40$c14e81c0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <6A5ACB09-BD5A-47A8-B756-DF984A0F42FC@gmail.com> If someone's got broadcasting in their blood and the trajectory begins it's descent, choosing to ride it out can be an honorable thing. Just wear the proper protective gear in case you end up careening sideways through the mud and assorted fauna. Bill O'Neill > On May 22, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > > Way too long! Something I was told years ago by a giant in the radio business was "Leave when you are on top....not when you're on the slide down". > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dillane > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:49 PM > To: Boston Radio Board > Subject: Rush gone from WRKO > > There is no way Rush or Premiere could positively spin a move from WRKO to WMEX or multiple suburban stations. > Losing WRKO over money gives Premiere ammo in negotiating with Rush next year. Would Rush accept less money, announce a retirement, or go the paid subscription route? > > Two media stories this week: Letterman retired and WRKO said no to Rush. Letterman left at the right time. Rush has stayed too long. > > From 011010001@interpring.com Mon May 25 08:37:56 2015 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 08:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: <1432254327.5624.YahooMailBasic@web126005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1432254327.5624.YahooMailBasic@web126005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 May 2015, D. A. wrote: > Here is more on the theory that is getting increase notice about the 1-3 > KHZ lack of PPM response. > http://www.radioinsights.com/2015/05/everything-you-know-about-ppm-wrong.html Where's the evidence for any of these claims, though? Do talk formats perform substantially differently in diary markets than in PPM markets? Given that there are plenty of both, it ought to be easy to find out. Rob From sids1045@aol.com Mon May 25 11:24:18 2015 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 11:24:18 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14d8bacab75-3efa-e41c@webstg-m01.mail.aol.com> "Do talk formats performsubstantially differently in diary markets than in PPM markets? Given thatthere are plenty of both, it ought to be easy to find out." Just comparing raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story, mostly because diaries and PPM measure two entirely different listening universes. Diaries measure recall, and can easily be manipulated by their keepers to not reflect actual listening. In most cases Nielsen would have no way to know if what's written in a diary is accurate or not. (For example, a Rush Limbaugh P1 might enter his show in their diary every weekday, whether or not he/she is actually listening.) PPM measures exposure, whether or not the PPM holder is actually paying attention to the station's audio. (Classic example: a patient in a doctor's office waiting room.) Of course, neither one measures what stations and advertisers really want to know: Who is actually listening and who will be impressed by an ad. From kwillcox@wnsh.com Mon May 25 13:39:42 2015 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 13:39:42 -0400 Subject: PI Message-ID: <55635E5E.9030405@wnsh.com> Lot's of Rush's advertising is PI or its equivalent, national ads for a particular service or product, such as Carbonite or certain gold dealers. How well do these do for Rush, compared to other shows? -- Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com Tue May 26 00:54:07 2015 From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 00:54:07 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO References: <14d8bacab75-3efa-e41c@webstg-m01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: >>PPM measures exposure... But what we don't know is if it is measuring "exposure" efficiently...or not. There is begining to be some evidence that it is not picking up "exposure" to spoken word programmings as we once believed. http://www.radioinsights.com/2015/05/everything-you-know-about-ppm-wrong.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: <011010001@interpring.com>; Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Rush gone from WRKO > > "Do talk formats performsubstantially differently in diary markets than in > PPM markets? Given thatthere are plenty of both, it ought to be easy to > find out." > > Just comparing raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story, mostly because > diaries and PPM measure two entirely different listening universes. > Diaries measure recall, and can easily be manipulated by their keepers to > not reflect actual listening. In most cases Nielsen would have no way to > know if what's written in a diary is accurate or not. (For example, a > Rush Limbaugh P1 might enter his show in their diary every weekday, > whether or not he/she is actually listening.) PPM measures exposure, > whether or not the PPM holder is actually paying attention to the > station's audio. (Classic example: a patient in a doctor's office waiting > room.) Of course, neither one measures what stations and advertisers > really want to know: Who is actually listening and who will be impressed > by an ad. > From dave@skywaves.net Tue May 26 20:17:28 2015 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:17:28 -0400 Subject: Rush gone from WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <1432254327.5624.YahooMailBasic@web126005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401d09812$842b06f0$8c8114d0$@skywaves.net> I think the experience so far has been that every format performs differently in the PPM markets than it did under the diary methodology. PPM measures exposure, and I think the diaries probably measured affinity as much as anything. Rob, your idea about comparing PPM markets against diary markets is a good one. It would be interesting to see whether that produces different data than the pre- / post- PPM intra-market comparisons. Since each market is different, it might be difficult to draw any conclusions, but it would be interesting to try. With PPM, it seems to be all about duty cycle in that 1-3 kHz range. Maintain a high duty cycle, and you'll encode well. Human speech is all about content on that range, but the duty cycle of speech is low compared with most music. You need to have consistent encoding to be reasonably assured that the PPM device will decode the watermark. That's because the device has its own challenges, oftentimes listening for that watermark in hostile noise environments. It may take a large number of samples over many seconds to decode the watermark successfully, and if the watermark is coming and going on the transmission, that adds to the challenge. If you don't get a solid three minutes of decoding in a quarter-hour, you've lost the quarter-hour. -d -----Original Message----- From: Rob Landry [mailto:011010001@interpring.com] Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 8:38 AM To: D. A. Cc: Dave Doherty; 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: RE: Rush gone from WRKO On Thu, 21 May 2015, D. A. wrote: > Here is more on the theory that is getting increase notice about the > 1-3 KHZ lack of PPM response. > http://www.radioinsights.com/2015/05/everything-you-know-about-ppm-wro > ng.html Where's the evidence for any of these claims, though? Do talk formats perform substantially differently in diary markets than in PPM markets? Given that there are plenty of both, it ought to be easy to find out. Rob From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 29 00:05:17 2015 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 00:05:17 -0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?WBZ=E2=80=99s_Anthony_Silva_Signs_Off_For_The_Final_Time?= Message-ID: Anthony Silva has been on Boston airwaves for 40 years going back to WMEX in 1975. Enjoy retirement. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/wbzs-anthony-silva-signs-off-for-the-final-time/ From markwats@comcast.net Fri May 29 16:42:04 2015 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:42:04 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?RE:_WBZ=E2=80=99s_Anthony_Silva_Signs_Of?= =?utf-8?Q?f_For_The_Final_Time?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d09a4f$ed21e5e0$c765b1a0$@comcast.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: Anthony Silva has been on Boston airwaves for 40 years going back to WMEX in 1975. Congratulations to Anthony on a 40 year run in the Boston market, 36 of those years at WBZ. Is Anthony the last on air person from their full service A/C days? Anthony Silva is not the only longtime radio veteran retiring today. Down across Long Island Sound in Sag Harbor, Rusty Potz is doing his final afternoon show today after 40 years at WLNG and 52 years in radio. He is moving to Florida but he will remain associated with the station thanks to the wonders of technology, he will still be heard on commercials he will produce for the station from what he's calling "WLNG's Florida offices". Congratulations to Rusty on his long run in radio. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Fri May 29 18:33:19 2015 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:33:19 -0400 Subject: "Voice of Sports" Panelist Tim Horgan Has Passed. Message-ID: <003c01d09a5f$7744e9c0$65cebd40$@comcast.net> Retired Boston Herald sportswriter Tim Horgan passed away Thursday at the age of 88. Horgan was one of the panelists on WHDH Radio's "Voice of Sports" program. He also was a regular on Channel 38's "Sportsbeat". Herald columnist Joe Fitzgerald penned a nice tribute to Tim, unfortunately I'm unable to link to the column. Mark Watson