From kvahey@gmail.com Mon May 19 03:54:33 2014 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 03:54:33 -0400 Subject: Canadian ID rules Message-ID: Because of hockey I am spending far too much time in Montreal and listening to TSN-690. In several hours of listening I have not heard them sneak in CKGM once. I know TSN-1050 mentions CHUM once an hour. What exactly are the rules that satisfy the CRTC? From scott@fybush.com Mon May 19 11:32:25 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 11:32:25 -0400 Subject: Canadian ID rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537A2409.7080407@fybush.com> On 5/19/2014 3:54 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Because of hockey I am spending far too much time in Montreal and listening > to TSN-690. > > In several hours of listening I have not heard them sneak in CKGM once. I > know TSN-1050 mentions CHUM once an hour. What exactly are the rules that > satisfy the CRTC? > Supposedly, once an hour (callsign only, no requirement to say the COL), but Canada seems to enforce the rule much less strenuously than the US does, especially during live events. From madprof@fairpoint.net Wed May 21 17:56:42 2014 From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX Message-ID: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> Thanks to my daughter Sandy, who is a member of mvyradio.com, PJ Finn announced the return today (for 4pm) on 88.7. BUT! FCC public database lists it as WMEX (woo woo) with 250 watts, non-directional. (yes, used to be 3kw) 60dBu contour doesn't reach Falmouth why'd they give up the WMVY call? FWIW, "WMVY call now is listed for Hartford VT (near white River Jct), with construction permit at Keeseville NY (near Ausable Chasm, Lake Champlain), (the 2 towns not even close!) with a higher power. Bob Sutherland From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed May 21 22:09:09 2014 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: <1400724549.6463.YahooMailIosMobile@web160205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Fybush mentions this week that 88.7 will grab the WMVY calls, and WMEX will be parked elsewhere.

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From wollman@bimajority.org Thu May 22 01:07:28 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 01:07:28 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > why'd they give up the WMVY call? Boston University, which now owns the station that used to be WMVY, didn't want it. -GAWollman From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed May 21 19:01:36 2014 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:01:36 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: I just heard from MVY Radio, they will have the WMVY call back in about two weeks. -Ken On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Thanks to my daughter Sandy, who is a member of mvyradio.com, > PJ Finn announced the return today (for 4pm) on 88.7. > BUT! FCC public database lists it as WMEX (woo woo) with > 250 watts, non-directional. (yes, used to be 3kw) > 60dBu contour doesn't reach Falmouth > > why'd they give up the WMVY call? > FWIW, "WMVY call now is listed for Hartford VT (near white River Jct), > with construction permit at Keeseville NY (near Ausable Chasm, > Lake Champlain), (the 2 towns not even close!) with a higher power. > > Bob Sutherland > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 22 01:48:05 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 01:48:05 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> On 5/22/2014 1:07 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> why'd they give up the WMVY call? > Boston University, which now owns the station that used to be WMVY, > didn't want it. But why would they want to be WMEX? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu May 22 03:20:35 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 03:20:35 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 5/22/2014 1:07 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> >>> why'd they give up the WMVY call? >> Boston University, which now owns the station that used to be WMVY, >> didn't want it. > But why would they want to be WMEX? They didn't, and they aren't. The station that used to be WMVY (92.7A Tisbury) is now WBUA. WMEX (88.7A Edgartown) is owned by a nonprofit (Vineyard Public Radio) affiliated with Dennis Jackson, and DJ has a thing for Wimmex. (Remember, he was using that call on his 106.5A in Farmington, N.H., before he sold it.) The nonprofit that was programming WMVY (92.7) before it was sold, and are running mvyradio.com now, is buying WMEX (88.7) so that they'll have an actual on-air voice again, and they are acquiring the call sign from WMVY (104.3C3 Hartford, Vt.), which is currently silent pending its move to New York.[1] This was all covered in NERW over the past few months; it's a great newsletter and it doesn't cost much to subscribe. -GAWollman [1] Digression: The 104.3 move is currently tolled as the FCC works through a petition for reconsideration by Hall Communications, which owns (among other stations in the Burlington market) WKOL (105.1C3 Plattsburgh) which is currently a tenant on the tower specified in 104.3's construction permit. To confuse matters further, when the reallocation and CP were granted, 104.3 (then WWOD) was owned by Nassau Broadcasting, which subsequently went bankrupt, and Hall is arguing the timeliness of Nassau's filing of the applications subsequent to the FCC's allocations rulemaking some years ago. The 104.3 license and permit are now owned by another company, which is trying to get the thing built, because the Burlington-Plattsburgh market really needs another rimshot FM, what with with two commercial FMs on the New York side already silent. (However, based on the WKOL signal, 104.3C3 from the same tower ought to be a better signal into the heart of the market than some of those other New York-side rimshots, which are farther north and west.) From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed May 21 19:06:29 2014 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:06:29 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: According to an aritcle in RadioInsight: Friends of MVYRadio, LLC has agreed to acquire 88.7 WMEX Edgartown, MA from Vineyard Public Radio for $450,000. WMEX is currently licensed with 250 watts at 66 meters with a Construction Permit to increase to 420 watts at 92 meters. Part of the sale agreement will have MVYRadio apply to modify that CP to another tower site in Tisbury, MA. Read more at: http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/86611/wmvy-to-return-to-marthas-vineyard/ MVY Radio is currently being heard in Fairhaven, and Dennisport on the Cape as well as other off Vineyard locations. -Ken On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Thanks to my daughter Sandy, who is a member of mvyradio.com, > PJ Finn announced the return today (for 4pm) on 88.7. > BUT! FCC public database lists it as WMEX (woo woo) with > 250 watts, non-directional. (yes, used to be 3kw) > 60dBu contour doesn't reach Falmouth > > why'd they give up the WMVY call? > FWIW, "WMVY call now is listed for Hartford VT (near white River Jct), > with construction permit at Keeseville NY (near Ausable Chasm, > Lake Champlain), (the 2 towns not even close!) with a higher power. > > Bob Sutherland > > > > From 011010001@interpring.com Thu May 22 08:30:43 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 May 2014, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The nonprofit that was programming WMVY (92.7) before it was sold, and > are running mvyradio.com now, is buying WMEX (88.7) so that they'll have > an actual on-air voice again, Wasn't WMVY 92.7 a commercial, for-profit station? Rob From scott@fybush.com Thu May 22 09:47:09 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:47:09 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: It was. But in order to keep its unique format alive, the owner of the 92.7 license essentially split in in two: the license was sold to BU, which now operates it noncommercially. The intellectual property and studio was sold to a new nonprofit, Friends of MVY Radio, which raised a lot of money to buy the intellectual property and run the webstream, and then raised more money to buy the 88.7 license from Dennis. I think, but do not recall for certain, that the nonprofit Friends group may have been operating 92.7 under an LMA from the licensee in its last months. On May 22, 2014 9:07 AM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 May 2014, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > The nonprofit that was programming WMVY (92.7) before it was sold, and >> are running mvyradio.com now, is buying WMEX (88.7) so that they'll have >> an actual on-air voice again, >> > > Wasn't WMVY 92.7 a commercial, for-profit station? > > > Rob > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu May 22 18:30:51 2014 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:30:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX Message-ID: <3239043.1400797851563.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> As for the WMEX calls... When this is all straightened out, the WMEX calls will be going to a new 100 watt LPFM on 105.9 that just signed on last weekend in Rochester NH, being programmed as a new non-commercial version of the former 106.5 FM WMEX oldies station that was located in that area (lic. to Farmington) from 1998 to 2008 until it was bought by a Christian network (now WNHI). Programmed by Gary James, former PD of WMEX FM 106.5 and the oldies incarnation of WMEX, Boston on 1150 AM from 1986-1988, like those stations, this one emulates the sound of the original 1510 WMEX Boston with a wide playlist of oldies from the late '50s, '60s and early '70s, original and recreated WMEX jingles, occasional drop-ins voiced by Arnie Ginsburg and current voice- tracked DJ's (some from the Boston 1150 incarnation). This is the first time that the WMEX oldies format is being programmed as a non-comm with PSA's and local underwriting announcements from the Rochester and NH Lakes region area, more local elements are said to be added soon. WMEX stream: http://tunein.com/radio/WMEX-s136160/ However, for the time being, the real calls of "WMEX" are WMVI-LP (not WMVY-LP) Rochester, NH! EP From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Thu May 22 19:10:41 2014 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 19:10:41 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net>, <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com>, <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, , Message-ID: WMEX (MVY Radio) is coming in loud and clear on my CCRadio2 here in Sandwich on "Pilgrim Hill" on this damp evening. Paul Sandwich > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:47:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX > From: scott@fybush.com > To: 011010001@interpring.com > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > It was. But in order to keep its unique format alive, the owner of the > 92.7 license essentially split in in two: the license was sold to BU, which > now operates it noncommercially. The intellectual property and studio was > sold to a new nonprofit, Friends of MVY Radio, which raised a lot of money > to buy the intellectual property and run the webstream, and then raised > more money to buy the 88.7 license from Dennis. > > I think, but do not recall for certain, that the nonprofit Friends group > may have been operating 92.7 under an LMA from the licensee in its last > months. > On May 22, 2014 9:07 AM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 22 May 2014, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > > The nonprofit that was programming WMVY (92.7) before it was sold, and > >> are running mvyradio.com now, is buying WMEX (88.7) so that they'll have > >> an actual on-air voice again, > >> > > > > Wasn't WMVY 92.7 a commercial, for-profit station? > > > > > > Rob > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 23 01:04:26 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 01:04:26 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: References: <59907.137.118.58.10.1400709402.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net> <21373.34320.170953.788761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <537D8F95.6080909@attorneyross.com> <21373.42307.224033.949893@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <537ED6DA.2040708@attorneyross.com> OK, what's the unique format that all these machinations are for? On 5/22/2014 9:47 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > It was. But in order to keep its unique format alive, the owner of the > 92.7 license essentially split in in two: the license was sold to BU, which > now operates it noncommercially. The intellectual property and studio was > sold to a new nonprofit, Friends of MVY Radio, which raised a lot of money > to buy the intellectual property and run the webstream, and then raised > more money to buy the 88.7 license from Dennis. > > I think, but do not recall for certain, that the nonprofit Friends group > may have been operating 92.7 under an LMA from the licensee in its last > months. > On May 22, 2014 9:07 AM, "Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 22 May 2014, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> >> The nonprofit that was programming WMVY (92.7) before it was sold, and >>> are running mvyradio.com now, is buying WMEX (88.7) so that they'll have >>> an actual on-air voice again, >>> >> Wasn't WMVY 92.7 a commercial, for-profit station? >> >> >> Rob >> >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3950/7544 - Release Date: 05/22/14 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri May 23 01:07:25 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 01:07:25 -0400 Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX In-Reply-To: <3239043.1400797851563.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3239043.1400797851563.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <537ED78D.9000801@attorneyross.com> I'm glad to know about this. I've just tuned to it online, and it sounds good. On 5/22/2014 6:30 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > As for the WMEX calls... > > When this is all straightened out, the WMEX calls > will be going to a new 100 watt LPFM on 105.9 that > just signed on last weekend in Rochester NH, being > programmed as a new non-commercial version of the > former 106.5 FM WMEX oldies station that was located > in that area (lic. to Farmington) from 1998 to 2008 > until it was bought by a Christian network (now WNHI). > > Programmed by Gary James, former PD of WMEX FM 106.5 > and the oldies incarnation of WMEX, Boston on 1150 AM > from 1986-1988, like those stations, this one emulates > the sound of the original 1510 WMEX Boston with a wide > playlist of oldies from the late '50s, '60s and early > '70s, original and recreated WMEX jingles, occasional > drop-ins voiced by Arnie Ginsburg and current voice- > tracked DJ's (some from the Boston 1150 incarnation). > > This is the first time that the WMEX oldies format is > being programmed as a non-comm with PSA's and local > underwriting announcements from the Rochester and NH > Lakes region area, more local elements are said to be > added soon. > > WMEX stream: http://tunein.com/radio/WMEX-s136160/ > > However, for the time being, the real calls of "WMEX" > are WMVI-LP (not WMVY-LP) Rochester, NH! > > EP > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3950/7544 - Release Date: 05/22/14 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 23 17:47:34 2014 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:47:34 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air Message-ID: http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/05/22/wbur-about-switch-radio-signal-that-will-give-virtually-full-coverage-cape-cod/e5BysGxXVs6xcFXyQ4ZAAK/story.html WBUR now has complete coverage on Cape Cod. Has BU sold 1240 AM yet? From scott@fybush.com Fri May 23 18:29:52 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:29:52 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537FCBE0.3040601@fybush.com> On 5/23/2014 5:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Has BU sold 1240 AM yet? > Long gone. It's now WBAS, part of Alex Langer's Portuguese-language chain that includes WSRO 650 and WZBR 1410. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri May 23 21:28:09 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 21:28:09 -0400 Subject: New WXRV translator on the air in Needham Message-ID: <21375.62889.639349.987761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Steve Silberberg's new WXRV translator on 96.5 in Needham appears to be on the air, finally. A license to cover was filed for it this week, and I just checked out my bedroom window in Framingham and was able to get a weak signal parallel 92.5. How are other folks hearing it? I believe it's on the FM-128 (ex-Sconnix, ex-WHDH-TV 5) tower, although I should probably check the coords to make sure. It should help listeners in the Newton/Needham area who suffer from front-end overload, although not nearly as much as before WBOS moved to the Pru. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri May 23 20:44:44 2014 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 20:44:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX Message-ID: <32714873.1400892284196.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 01:04:26 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns >to the air, as WMEX > >OK, what's the unique format that all these >machinations are for? 'MVY's format is an eclectic version of what is called "AAA" or "Triple-A", meaning "Adult Album Alternative". The definition of the "AAA" format from the radio station search engine radio-locator.com is: "AAA stations target an adult audience with a large variety of music that hovers on the fringe of mainstream pop and rock, including Americana, alternative rock, alternative country, blues, folk and world music. The selections stay away from rap or any of the 'hard stuff'." The greater Boston area "AAA" station is 92.5 WXRV "The River", but that is a more tightly playlisted version than 'MVY. Formatted college station WERS and college-based professional Public Radio station WUMB are also two different flavors of "AAA" at least during their weekday programming, WERS leaning more toward "alternative rock", and WUMB more toward roots, Americana, folk, folk-rock, singer-songwriter, etc... EP From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 23 23:02:50 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 23:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: <537FCBE0.3040601@fybush.com> References: <537FCBE0.3040601@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2014, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 5/23/2014 5:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Has BU sold 1240 AM yet? > Long gone. It's now WBAS, part of Alex Langer's Portuguese-language chain > that includes WSRO 650 and WZBR 1410. To my knowledge the sale hasn't been consummated yet. It's being LMA'd to Langer Broadcasting pending the sale. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 23 23:05:35 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New WXRV translator on the air in Needham In-Reply-To: <21375.62889.639349.987761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <21375.62889.639349.987761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2014, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Steve Silberberg's new WXRV translator on 96.5 in Needham appears to > be on the air, finally. A license to cover was filed for it this > week, and I just checked out my bedroom window in Framingham and was > able to get a weak signal parallel 92.5. I can here it in Needham. Rob From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 23 23:34:00 2014 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: <537FCBE0.3040601@fybush.com> Message-ID: That is why I asked. I knew BU had sold it but I don't think it has been approved. I will always have a soft spot for 1240 as one Saturday as an 12 year old I wandered into the station. I got the 'bug' that day. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com>wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2014, Scott Fybush wrote: > > On 5/23/2014 5:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> > > Has BU sold 1240 AM yet? >>> >> > Long gone. It's now WBAS, part of Alex Langer's Portuguese-language chain >> that includes WSRO 650 and WZBR 1410. >> > > To my knowledge the sale hasn't been consummated yet. It's being LMA'd to > Langer Broadcasting pending the sale. > > > Rob > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat May 24 00:25:11 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 00:25:11 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: <537FCBE0.3040601@fybush.com> Message-ID: <21376.7975.407726.477900@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > That is why I asked. I knew BU had sold it but I don't think it has been > approved. It was approved in March. BU and Langer simply haven't consummated the transaction yet. I would assume that this will happen fairly soon as the time-brokerage agreement requires Langer to start paying rent on the station after the first three months. -GAWollman From 011010001@interpring.com Sat May 24 10:29:51 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2014, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/05/22/wbur-about-switch-radio-signal-that-will-give-virtually-full-coverage-cape-cod/e5BysGxXVs6xcFXyQ4ZAAK/story.html > WBUR now has complete coverage on Cape Cod. How many public radio stations does the Cape have, counting those of BU, WGBH, and UMass Boston? Five? Six? I suppose the new WMVY also counts. Is there any other market of less than 200,000 that has as many? Cape Cod must be the most over-radioed market in the country. If you were to scale it up to the size of Boston, it would have about 300 stations, commercial and non-commercial. Are Cape Cod listeners worth so much more, per capita, than those of, say, Portsmouth? Rob From kc1ih@mac.com Sat May 24 12:34:33 2014 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 12:34:33 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <032BC8CD-5AA3-47E2-9129-B6FDAFBD6FF0@mac.com> On May 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > Cape Cod must be the most over-radioed market in the country. If you were to scale it up to the size of Boston, it would have about 300 stations, commercial and non-commercial. I'm sure the Burlington-Plattsburgh market is also in the same position. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mamros@MIT.EDU Sat May 24 13:15:12 2014 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:15:12 +0000 Subject: New WXRV translator on the air in Needham In-Reply-To: <21375.62889.639349.987761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <21375.62889.639349.987761@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3AA2995FD42B2E48A2B762E850E68AA61534E0D0@OC11EXPO33.exchange.mit.edu> >Steve Silberberg's new WXRV translator on 96.5 in Needham appears to >be on the air, finally. A license to cover was filed for it this >week, and I just checked out my bedroom window in Framingham and was >able to get a weak signal parallel 92.5. How are other folks hearing >it? I live in Waltham, just north and west of Prospect Hill; only a small slope blocks line-of-sight to the Newton/Needham towers. 96.5 comes in with a little static, but the 92.5 signal comes in way better. -Shawn From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat May 24 14:10:12 2014 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 14:10:12 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: New WXRV translator on the air in Needham Message-ID: <30040473.1400955012255.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 21:28:09 -0400 >From: Garrett Wollman > >Steve Silberberg's new WXRV translator on 96.5 in >Needham appears to be on the air, finally. There is a strong Caribbean pirate on 96.5 from somewhere in the Boston neighborhoods that, I'm sure, is preventing this translator from being heard (well) anywhere east of Newton. I haven't checked it on the road yet, but at my apartment on the south and west facing side of Spring Hill in Somerville, if I do some tricky antenna acrobatics to "null out" the pirate, I can very faintly hear the 96.5 WXRV translator. EP From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat May 24 17:32:19 2014 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:32:19 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Average age of full time residents on Cape Cod is higher than Florida. Lots of retired folks on a fixed income. Much more $$$ in the summer. On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com>wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 May 2014, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/05/22/wbur- >> about-switch-radio-signal-that-will-give-virtually-full- >> coverage-cape-cod/e5BysGxXVs6xcFXyQ4ZAAK/story.html >> > > WBUR now has complete coverage on Cape Cod. >> > > How many public radio stations does the Cape have, counting those of BU, > WGBH, and UMass Boston? Five? Six? > > I suppose the new WMVY also counts. > > Is there any other market of less than 200,000 that has as many? > > Cape Cod must be the most over-radioed market in the country. If you were > to scale it up to the size of Boston, it would have about 300 stations, > commercial and non-commercial. > > Are Cape Cod listeners worth so much more, per capita, than those of, say, > Portsmouth? > > > Rob > From mrschuyler@aol.com Fri May 23 18:05:10 2014 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (J.E.Schuyler) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 'WMVY' Edgartown, Cape Cod, returns to the air, as WMEX Message-ID: <8D144EA32BB6E28-103C-12626@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com> Dennis Jackson may be moving the WMEX calls back to Rochester, NH, where his commercial FM used them for years, but I'd think his reasons would be (1) he obviously loves those calls and wants to use them, and (2) they may bring more visibility to the LPFM there. But IIRC, that won't really "park" them. A full service AM or FM owned by someone else could still be WMEX (AM) or WMEX-FM as long as the "-LP" is attached to them in Rochester, and without so much as a courtesy request. At least, I THINK that's how it's different for LPFMs. If so, I'd like to see one start up in the Springfield, Massachusetts area and call itself WWLP-LP. ~~Schuyler From scott@fybush.com Sun May 25 00:02:45 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 00:02:45 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53816B65.7090703@fybush.com> On 5/24/2014 5:32 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > Average age of full time residents on Cape Cod is higher than Florida. > Lots of retired folks on a fixed income. Much more $$$ in the summer. And many - most, even - of those summer people are coming from the Boston metro. If you're WBUR or WGBH, it's simply a matter of following your listeners where they're headed for the summer. And once one did it (WGBH), the other had to follow...after all, if you're WBUR, you don't want your listeners discovering WGBH's stations on summer vacation and forgetting to come back to you when they return to Boston in the fall. The Cape is absolutely massively over-radioed on the commercial side, in no small part because it's a peninsula with no adjacent markets that need to be protected to the south or east. That may explain why several commercial channels have ended up with noncommercial occupants - WGBH with WZAI on 94.3, and more recently WBUR with WBUA on 92.7. From 011010001@interpring.com Sun May 25 08:42:39 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 08:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 May 2014, Ron Bello wrote: > Average age of full time residents on Cape Cod is higher than Florida. > Lots of retired folks on a fixed income.? Much more $$$ in the summer. But advertisers aren't interested in that demo. At least, that's what we heard all too often at WCRB. Rob From wollman@bimajority.org Sun May 25 09:46:58 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 09:46:58 -0400 Subject: WBUH 89.1 FM Brewster is on the air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21377.62546.309791.798679@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On Sat, 24 May 2014, Ron Bello wrote: >> Average age of full time residents on Cape Cod is higher than Florida. >> Lots of retired folks on a fixed income.? Much more $$$ in the summer. > But advertisers aren't interested in that demo. At least, that's what we > heard all too often at WCRB. Your listeners at WCRB couldn't leave money to you in their wills (well, not while still getting a tax benefit). WBUR's and WGBH's can. Which I guess means that WCRB's listeners can now, too. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed May 28 08:27:40 2014 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (daniel strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 08:27:40 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster Message-ID: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel strassberg To: membership@wbur.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster So where is WBUH's transmitter? What is the HAAT? Is there a directional antenna? If so, what does the pattern look like? Were there any special provisions to avoid interference from/to WERS? How did BU manage to build this new station without attracting or nearly without attracting the attention of the radio Geek community? This ought to have been big news months before sign-on. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Kravetz, WBUR To: dan.strassberg@att.net Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:45 AM Subject: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster Having trouble viewing this email? Click here You're receiving this email because of your relationship with WBUR. Don't forget to add membership@wbur.org to your address book so we'll be sure to land in your inbox! You may unsubscribe if you no longer wish to receive our emails. Cape Cod Dear Daniel, I am pleased to share with you that, today, WBUR is announcing the creation of a brand-new, custom-built radio station, WBUH 89.1 FM, in Brewster, Mass. This powerful new station will simulcast WBUR's award-winning news and information programming on a full-power "Class B" 50,000-watt signal, making it the first and only non-commercial Cape station of this magnitude. WBUH 89.1 FM will provide a strong signal across most of Cape Cod, including the Outer and Lower Cape, complementing WBUR's existing 3,000-watt signal, WBUA 92.7 FM on Martha's Vineyard, which reaches the Upper and Mid Cape, as well as Massachusetts' SouthCoast communities. Both 89.1 and 92.7 -- which we're collectively calling WBUR Cape Cod -- are in addition to WBUR's primary 50,000-watt signal, 90.9 FM, which broadcasts across all of metropolitan Boston and eastern Massachusetts. The frequency 89.1 FM has never been used before on the Cape, so this marks the birth of a truly brand-new station. This new signal, enhancing our reach all over the Cape and Islands, is something we've hoped to achieve for the last decade, and we're excited that it is becoming a reality. This station is part of our longstanding commitment to serve the people of Greater Boston and Eastern Massachusetts with the best in public radio. It underscores the continued importance of broadcast radio, even as we execute on our strategic commitments to grow our programming, digital platforms and community initiatives. It's my pleasure to share this exciting news with you directly, and to thank you for your continued support of WBUR. I welcome your comments. Sincerely, Charlie Kravetz General Manager, WBUR ur a listener. ur a supporter. ur wbur. Forward e-mail This email was sent to dan.strassberg@att.net by membership@wbur.org | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. WBUR Boston | 890 Commonwealth Ave. | Boston | MA | 02215 From scott@fybush.com Wed May 28 09:40:30 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:40:30 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> On 5/28/2014 8:27 AM, daniel strassberg wrote: > So where is WBUH's transmitter? What is the HAAT? Is there a > directional antenna? If so, what does the pattern look like? Were > there any special provisions to avoid interference from/to WERS? How > did BU manage to build this new station without attracting or nearly > without attracting the attention of the radio Geek community? This > ought to have been big news months before sign-on. All three of the new Cape noncomm FMs stemmed from the 2007 application window for new stations. NERW, 12/17/2007: "There are several big MX groups on Cape Cod and the islands: on 88.1, Athens Christian Radio applies in Provincetown, while Dennis Jackson's Foothills Public Radio applies in Edgartown. A much bigger MX cluster includes (as best we can tell) 19 applications on 88.5, 88.7 and 88.9, with appearances by several big broadcast groups. Boston's WBUR is in the pile, with applications for 88.7 in Sagamore and a big 40 kW signal on 89.1 in Eastham. Competitor WGBH is in the hunt as well, applying for a similarly big Eastham signal on 88.7. Cape Cod Community Television seeks 88.7 in South Yarmouth, while Foothills wants 88.7 Oak Bluffs. Horizon Christian Fellowship seeks 88.5 in Orleans and 88.7 in East Falmouth. Home Improvement Ministries (will they carry "Tool Time"?) wants 23 kW on 89.1 in Brewster. " Home Improvement ended up beating out WBUR for the 89.1 CP, but never got the funds together to build it. Here's the lead story from NERW, 2/24/2014: "*While WXBJ-LP jumped from application to on-air license in just a few months, a full-power CP on Cape Cod is being sold with just a few weeks left before its permit expires. Home Improvement Ministries applied for 89.1 in Brewster in the 2007 window for non-commercial FM applicants and was granted its permit on April 14, 2011. If the station doesn?t get on the air by April 14, 2014, its permit will expire ? and that?s why Home Improvement just sold the permit to Boston University?s WBUR (90.9 Boston) for just $7500. WBUR has a project ahead of it: instead of the planned 23 kW/285? signal (which would actually have been on the Outer Cape, on a new tower near the Eastham-Wellfleet line), it will soon be applying for a more minimal facility to get the signal on the air ahead of the deadline. If it can get its new station built, the new 89.1 will join WBUR?s existing relays on the Cape, WBUA (92.7 Tisbury) from Martha?s Vineyard, serving the lower Cape, and WCCT (90.3 Harwich), the Cape Cod Tech station that carries most of WBUR?s schedule to the mid-Cape." It turned out the replacement signal WBUR applied for wasn't all that minimal - it was actually more powerful, but on an existing tower to avoid the hassle of having to try to get a new tower built, an impossibility in just a few months. Here's the story from NERW, 3/10/2014: "*In an otherwise quiet week in MASSACHUSETTS, the big news once again came from Boston?s WBUR-FM (90.9), where Mike LeClair and his engineering team are pushing ahead on an attempt to get a new Cape Cod signal on the air barely a month from now. WBUR just bought the soon-to-expire construction permit for 89.1 in Eastham from Home Improvement Ministries, and there?s no way Home Improvement?s plans to build a brand-new tower for the station could possibly get carried out before the CP expires April 14. So instead, WBUR has applied to modify the 89.1 CP to call for the use of an existing cellular tower in Eastham. From there, the new 89.1 would run 42 kW/180?, horizontal-only, instead of the current permit?s 23 kW/285?, vertical-only. Can WBUR get a high-powered facility on the air in just a month? If it can meet the deadline, it will have solid coverage of the entire mid-Cape and outer Cape from its new signal, nicely complementing WBUA (92.7 Tisbury)?s coverage of Martha?s Vineyard and the lower Cape. (And it won?t still need its last remaining non-owned simulcast, over Cape Cod Tech?s WCCT-FM 90.3 in Harwich, which will have its coverage area duplicated by the new 89.1.)" All of the specifics on the power levels, transmitter location, DA pattern and protection to WERS and other stations are in the exhibits from the application from March to modify the CP: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101630074&formid=340&fac_num=173933 From 011010001@interpring.com Wed May 28 09:52:24 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> Message-ID: Interesting. I heard them say WBUH Brewster at the top of the hour, so I assumed they were using the 500-foot tower on the Brewster-Orleans line, or the one used by WFCC. Rob From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed May 28 11:33:25 2014 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:33:25 -0400 Subject: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> Message-ID: <104AD6B6-C64A-4C67-BDAA-21B1B565F2B8@comcast.net> It's an average 180' or so self supported cell tower in Eastham. I drove out there a couple weeks ago and took some pictures. The antenna was in place, but it was not yet on the air. It's a 4 bay antenna, mounted quite low to the ground, below all the cell antennas. Jeff Lehmann > On May 28, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > Interesting. I heard them say WBUH Brewster at the top of the hour, so I assumed they were using the 500-foot tower on the Brewster-Orleans line, or the one used by WFCC. > > Rob > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed May 28 11:10:46 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:10:46 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: This is only being noticed now though the facebook account for WFNX 99.9 in Athol had a post about it on May 15: Northeast Broadcasting is changing the format of both WFNX and WWBZ 700 (Orange-Athol) on June 9; currently they're running variety hits and asking listeners to vote for the format. Had been running a simulcast of The River, 92.5 This comes as 102.3 in Concord NH and a translator at 96.5 in Needham have flipped to a simulcast of their WXRV 92.5 The website is http://www.vote999.com --Weird that one of the stations is at 99.9 and the format flip would be on June 9. "Radio Nine" anyone? --The call letters WFNX might make one wonder if they'd attempt to flip to something similar to what WFNX used to do. But they say they're asking listeners what they want...Maybe "AAA"? Then why ditch the simulcast of WXRV (or do they want to do their own take on a similar format?) --We've said CBS probably won't bother with challenging the "WWBZ" calls on the AM side but here's an interesting thought: the signal for 98.5 The Sports Hub MAY be weak in some areas and either or both stations might try to get a simulcast going, like what Entercom does with WEEI. Though CBS' main concern may be with just keeping up the high ratings of 98.5 in Boston, and no worries about syndication --Any format holes? From Jibguy@aol.com Wed May 28 14:30:02 2014 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: Maybe there's been an agreement with CBS all along, and this "vote for format" is not what it appears to be? -----BB In a message dated 5/28/2014 1:54:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raccoonradio@gmail.com writes: This is only being noticed now though the facebook account for WFNX 99.9 in Athol had a post about it on May 15: Northeast Broadcasting is changing the format of both WFNX and WWBZ 700 (Orange-Athol) on June 9; currently they're running variety hits and asking listeners to vote for the format. Had been running a simulcast of The River, 92.5 This comes as 102.3 in Concord NH and a translator at 96.5 in Needham have flipped to a simulcast of their WXRV 92.5 The website is http://www.vote999.com --Weird that one of the stations is at 99.9 and the format flip would be on June 9. "Radio Nine" anyone? --The call letters WFNX might make one wonder if they'd attempt to flip to something similar to what WFNX used to do. But they say they're asking listeners what they want...Maybe "AAA"? Then why ditch the simulcast of WXRV (or do they want to do their own take on a similar format?) --We've said CBS probably won't bother with challenging the "WWBZ" calls on the AM side but here's an interesting thought: the signal for 98.5 The Sports Hub MAY be weak in some areas and either or both stations might try to get a simulcast going, like what Entercom does with WEEI. Though CBS' main concern may be with just keeping up the high ratings of 98.5 in Boston, and no worries about syndication --Any format holes? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed May 28 17:55:29 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 17:55:29 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> Message-ID: <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Interesting. I heard them say WBUH Brewster at the top of the hour, so I > assumed they were using the 500-foot tower on the Brewster-Orleans line, > or the one used by WFCC. Nope. It's mounted fairly low on a cell tower just off the Cape Cod Rail Trail in Eastham, about two miles north of the National Seashore welcome center. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed May 28 18:15:23 2014 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 00:15:23 +0200 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> , <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: ? >Sent:?Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM ?>From:?"Garrett Wollman" ?>To:?"Rob Landry" <011010001@interpring.com> ?>Cc:?boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ?>Subject:?Re: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster < said: > Interesting. I heard them say WBUH Brewster at the top of the hour, so I > assumed they were using the 500-foot tower on the Brewster-Orleans line, > or the one used by WFCC. >Nope. It's mounted fairly low on a cell tower just off the Cape Cod >Rail Trail in Eastham, about two miles north of the National Seashore >welcome center. >-GAWollman Everything written about this facility has pointed to a fair amount of haste top get the station on-the-air STAT. WBUR has invested in a transmitter, horizontal-suelement only antenna and rental of a tower, I assume for some period of time. I suspect that the FCC will some day receive an application to upgrade the facility, at least by adding a circularly-polarized antenna and maybe a top-mounted stick with greater altitude. ? ? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed May 28 15:07:51 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:07:51 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: <07eoa587t6u31cav7pc66ldo.1401304071548@email.android.com> Was thinking of same thing..the use of "WWBZ" calls on 700 may have a purpose.. Sent from my Virgin Mobile phone -------- Original message -------- From: Jibguy@aol.com Date: 05/28/2014 2:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: raccoonradio@gmail.com,boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Maybe there's been an agreement with CBS all along, and this "vote for format" is not what it appears to be? -----BB ? In a message dated 5/28/2014 1:54:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raccoonradio@gmail.com writes: This is only being noticed now though the facebook account for WFNX 99.9 in Athol had a post about it on May 15: Northeast Broadcasting is changing the format of both WFNX and WWBZ 700 (Orange-Athol) on June 9; currently they're running variety hits and asking listeners to vote for the format. Had been running a simulcast of The River, 92.5 This comes as 102.3 in Concord NH and a translator at 96.5 in Needham have flipped to a simulcast of their WXRV 92.5 The website is http://www.vote999.com --Weird that one of the stations is at 99.9 and the format flip would be on June 9. "Radio Nine" anyone? --The call letters WFNX might make one wonder if they'd attempt to flip to something similar to what WFNX used to do. But they say they're asking listeners what they want...Maybe "AAA"? Then why ditch the simulcast of WXRV (or do they want to do their own take on a similar format?) --We've said CBS probably won't bother with challenging the "WWBZ" calls on the AM side but here's an interesting thought: the signal for 98.5 The Sports Hub MAY be weak in some areas and either or both stations might try to get a simulcast going, like what Entercom does with WEEI. Though CBS' main concern may be with just keeping up the high ratings of 98.5 in Boston, and no worries about syndication --Any format holes? From scott@fybush.com Wed May 28 23:05:05 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:05:05 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" In-Reply-To: <07eoa587t6u31cav7pc66ldo.1401304071548@email.android.com> References: <07eoa587t6u31cav7pc66ldo.1401304071548@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5386A3E1.30003@fybush.com> On 5/28/2014 3:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Was thinking of same thing..the use of "WWBZ" calls on 700 may have a > purpose.. No. No, no, no, no, a thousand times no. While speculating about the meaning of the calls may fill the daily hot air quotient on the message boards, there is absolutely no reason to think that CBS is in any way involved here, and plenty of reasons to think it isn't. While it's just barely within Worcester County, and thus within the Worcester radio market, that little AM daytimer doesn't serve enough population to move the ratings needle even a hair within the entire market. 700 might, on a good day, get 25,000 people, total, within the 5 mV/m contour in which it's possible to draw ratings. Maybe. And that's in a market with 400,000+ people 12+ in the metro. Do you really think CBS, which cumes something like 600,000-700,000 people on a good book for WBZ-FM, is going to contract with a competitor to put Sports Hub programming on a signal that might perhaps add another 1000 or 2000 listeners who aren't even in (or especially near) the Boston ratings market? Especially on a daytimer that can't carry most Bruins or Celtics games? It doesn't make a lick of sense. It makes much more sense to assume Silberberg grabbed the WWBZ calls just because he could. Maybe he was hoping CBS would cease-and-desist him to get a bit of publicity. But why should CBS care? Sports Hub doesn't even call itself "WBZ" except once, very quickly, at the top of the hour. And WBZ(AM) doesn't have any real reason to care about Worcester-market ratings, since it can't sell to most Worcester advertisers at Boston-market ad rates. Even if it did, any confusion with "WWBZ" in a diary-based market such as Worcester would probably fall in WBZ's favor, anyway. If "WWBZ" means anything at all, it might mean Steve is parking calls that he'll use on FM as "the Buzz." But even that mild speculation is probably more than this story is worth. From scott@fybush.com Wed May 28 23:14:59 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:14:59 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> , <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> On 5/28/2014 6:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Everything written about this facility has pointed to a fair amount > of haste top get the station on-the-air STAT. WBUR has invested in a > transmitter, horizontal-suelement only antenna and rental of a tower, > I assume for some period of time. I suspect that the FCC will some > day receive an application to upgrade the facility, at least by > adding a circularly-polarized antenna and maybe a top-mounted stick > with greater altitude. I don't know why WBUH was built h-pol only. There's nothing about the required protections to other stations that mandates h-pol only. WBUH's tightest protection is to WERS, and it clears it by virtue of the fact that the overlap between the two stations' 54 dBu protected contours falls over water off the South Shore. If WBUH were to raise antenna height, it would have to reduce power accordingly so that the overlap doesn't hit land, which it would do somewhere around Marshfield. In this case, there's probably little to be gained from trading height for power; there's certainly not any terrain on the Cape to be overcome. It's not an issue of channel 6 protection, as it would once have been; in that case, WBUH might have been built v-pol only, if it would have fit at all within the protected contour of WLNE. As quickly as WBUH had to be built in the window between acquiring the CP from Home Improvement Ministries and the CP expiration date, it was not built in haste. Mike LeClair and his engineering team at WBUR knew what they were doing, and I'm sure they had a reason for h-pol only. Perhaps it was to alleviate multipath from the signal refracting over the bay as it travels between the transmitter site and the mid-Cape? Or perhaps it was just to reduce the amount of transmitter power output needed to make the desired (and rather high) ERP? I know it was already a rush for the transmitter manufacturer to deliver a high-power transmitter on short notice at the TPO needed for the h-only signal. From Jibguy@aol.com Wed May 28 23:35:33 2014 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: <452b8.40cb6b8b.40b8050d@aol.com> Perhaps the callsign WWBZ could be put on the FM, to act as an oversized translator for the Sports Hub, with CBS renting it from Steve. Perhaps a Worcester area Class A FM would be next. Saga likes translators, so why not CBS? Hard to imagine how the Athol FM or 700 could make any money on their own, especially with distant ownership. Renting as a simulcast makes more sense. On a related note, if WJTO in Bath wasn't so entrenched with "WJTO" for sooo long now (50 years), I would have grabbed the WTUB callsign that 700 had. W"TUB-Bath". ----BB In a message dated 5/28/2014 11:07:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scott@fybush.com writes: On 5/28/2014 3:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Was thinking of same thing..the use of "WWBZ" calls on 700 may have a > purpose.. No. No, no, no, no, a thousand times no. While speculating about the meaning of the calls may fill the daily hot air quotient on the message boards, there is absolutely no reason to think that CBS is in any way involved here, and plenty of reasons to think it isn't. While it's just barely within Worcester County, and thus within the Worcester radio market, that little AM daytimer doesn't serve enough population to move the ratings needle even a hair within the entire market. 700 might, on a good day, get 25,000 people, total, within the 5 mV/m contour in which it's possible to draw ratings. Maybe. And that's in a market with 400,000+ people 12+ in the metro. Do you really think CBS, which cumes something like 600,000-700,000 people on a good book for WBZ-FM, is going to contract with a competitor to put Sports Hub programming on a signal that might perhaps add another 1000 or 2000 listeners who aren't even in (or especially near) the Boston ratings market? Especially on a daytimer that can't carry most Bruins or Celtics games? It doesn't make a lick of sense. It makes much more sense to assume Silberberg grabbed the WWBZ calls just because he could. Maybe he was hoping CBS would cease-and-desist him to get a bit of publicity. But why should CBS care? Sports Hub doesn't even call itself "WBZ" except once, very quickly, at the top of the hour. And WBZ(AM) doesn't have any real reason to care about Worcester-market ratings, since it can't sell to most Worcester advertisers at Boston-market ad rates. Even if it did, any confusion with "WWBZ" in a diary-based market such as Worcester would probably fall in WBZ's favor, anyway. If "WWBZ" means anything at all, it might mean Steve is parking calls that he'll use on FM as "the Buzz." But even that mild speculation is probably more than this story is worth. From scott@fybush.com Wed May 28 23:48:13 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:48:13 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" In-Reply-To: <452b8.40cb6b8b.40b8050d@aol.com> References: <452b8.40cb6b8b.40b8050d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5386ADFD.9090505@fybush.com> On 5/28/2014 11:35 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps the callsign WWBZ could be put on the FM, to act as an oversized > translator for the Sports Hub, with CBS renting it from Steve. Perhaps a > Worcester area Class A FM would be next. Saga likes translators, so > why not CBS? To what end? CBS has no reason to be interested in the Worcester market. The company is focused almost exclusively on the top 20 markets these days (with a few heritage clusters such as Hartford and St. Louis hanging on). It has long since divested itself of even Buffalo- and Rochester-sized markets, never mind a market as small as Worcester. And especially never mind a market as small as the tiny corner of the Worcester market served by the Athol FM. I suppose it's remotely possible to imagine that Silberberg might want to *affiliate* with Sports Hub to provide programming, the same way some New England broadcasters (Jeff Shapiro in NH, Qantum-turned-CC on the Cape) affiliate with WEEI. But even so - since the Sports Hub doesn't use any "WBZ" branding, why pick "WBZ" calls? The only reason Sports Hub is "WBZ-FM," legally, is because (a) it had to be something, (b) Boston is a PPM market so calls don't matter and (c) that way WBZ(AM) and WBZ-FM appear in sequence in Arbitron/Nielsen Audio printouts. None of those factors apply to Athol. > Hard to imagine how the Athol FM or 700 could make any money on their > own, especially with distant ownership. Renting as a simulcast makes > more sense. For Silberberg, maybe. For CBS, not at all. And why would Silberberg pay CBS for Sports Hub programming when he can simulcast his own WXRV for free? From scott@fybush.com Wed May 28 23:54:14 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:54:14 -0400 Subject: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <82B0D023-66DD-47CE-B58A-33F0BB418ED1@comcast.net> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <82B0D023-66DD-47CE-B58A-33F0BB418ED1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5386AF66.6000705@fybush.com> On 5/28/2014 11:23 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > A friend of mine was thinking that it possibly has to do with the > amount of hazardous signal (or whatever the proper term is) reaching > the ground around the tower due to the low height. The theory was > that a horizontal only signal wouldn't send as much signal to the > ground below the extremely low antenna as a circular pattern would. > > Not sure if this is the real reason or not, but wanted to throw it > out there. That might make some sense. I'd need to go back to the WBUH mod CP app to see what the radiation pattern of the antenna looks like. Typically, one controls downward radiation more through the use of multiple bays than through antenna polarization. Two corrections on my end: there's actually 11.1 km of breathing room between WBUH and WERS. The overlap that governs is not the 54 to 54 dBu contours (which overlap over water near Marshfield) but the 54 to 60 dBu contours, which don't overlap at all. And the more critical spacing is to WUMD in North Dartmouth. The 54 to 60 dBu contours govern here, too, and WBUH's 54 comes within 0.3 km of WUMD's 60 near Wareham. For WBUH to boost power/height at all, it would have to install a DA that would maintain that protection, and that would be pointless, since it would end up increasing WBUH's reach only over water. (And there's WBUA 92.7 filling in the signal gap in that part of the lower Cape, anyway.) s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed May 28 23:23:50 2014 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:23:50 -0400 Subject: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <82B0D023-66DD-47CE-B58A-33F0BB418ED1@comcast.net> A friend of mine was thinking that it possibly has to do with the amount of hazardous signal (or whatever the proper term is) reaching the ground around the tower due to the low height. The theory was that a horizontal only signal wouldn't send as much signal to the ground below the extremely low antenna as a circular pattern would. Not sure if this is the real reason or not, but wanted to throw it out there. Jeff Lehmann > On May 28, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> On 5/28/2014 6:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> >> Everything written about this facility has pointed to a fair amount >> of haste top get the station on-the-air STAT. WBUR has invested in a >> transmitter, horizontal-suelement only antenna and rental of a tower, >> I assume for some period of time. I suspect that the FCC will some >> day receive an application to upgrade the facility, at least by >> adding a circularly-polarized antenna and maybe a top-mounted stick >> with greater altitude. > > I don't know why WBUH was built h-pol only. There's nothing about the required protections to other stations that mandates h-pol only. WBUH's tightest protection is to WERS, and it clears it by virtue of the fact that the overlap between the two stations' 54 dBu protected contours falls over water off the South Shore. If WBUH were to raise antenna height, it would have to reduce power accordingly so that the overlap doesn't hit land, which it would do somewhere around Marshfield. In this case, there's probably little to be gained from trading height for power; there's certainly not any terrain on the Cape to be overcome. > > It's not an issue of channel 6 protection, as it would once have been; in that case, WBUH might have been built v-pol only, if it would have fit at all within the protected contour of WLNE. > > As quickly as WBUH had to be built in the window between acquiring the CP from Home Improvement Ministries and the CP expiration date, it was not built in haste. Mike LeClair and his engineering team at WBUR knew what they were doing, and I'm sure they had a reason for h-pol only. > > Perhaps it was to alleviate multipath from the signal refracting over the bay as it travels between the transmitter site and the mid-Cape? Or perhaps it was just to reduce the amount of transmitter power output needed to make the desired (and rather high) ERP? I know it was already a rush for the transmitter manufacturer to deliver a high-power transmitter on short notice at the TPO needed for the h-only signal. > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu May 29 00:05:19 2014 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 00:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: <459fb.3b8403e3.40b80c07@aol.com> EEI is out there and CBS isn't. ----BB In a message dated 5/28/2014 11:48:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scott@fybush.com writes: On 5/28/2014 11:35 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps the callsign WWBZ could be put on the FM, to act as an oversized > translator for the Sports Hub, with CBS renting it from Steve. Perhaps a > Worcester area Class A FM would be next. Saga likes translators, so > why not CBS? To what end? CBS has no reason to be interested in the Worcester market. The company is focused almost exclusively on the top 20 markets these days (with a few heritage clusters such as Hartford and St. Louis hanging on). It has long since divested itself of even Buffalo- and Rochester-sized markets, never mind a market as small as Worcester. And especially never mind a market as small as the tiny corner of the Worcester market served by the Athol FM. I suppose it's remotely possible to imagine that Silberberg might want to *affiliate* with Sports Hub to provide programming, the same way some New England broadcasters (Jeff Shapiro in NH, Qantum-turned-CC on the Cape) affiliate with WEEI. But even so - since the Sports Hub doesn't use any "WBZ" branding, why pick "WBZ" calls? The only reason Sports Hub is "WBZ-FM," legally, is because (a) it had to be something, (b) Boston is a PPM market so calls don't matter and (c) that way WBZ(AM) and WBZ-FM appear in sequence in Arbitron/Nielsen Audio printouts. None of those factors apply to Athol. > Hard to imagine how the Athol FM or 700 could make any money on their > own, especially with distant ownership. Renting as a simulcast makes > more sense. For Silberberg, maybe. For CBS, not at all. And why would Silberberg pay CBS for Sports Hub programming when he can simulcast his own WXRV for free? From scott@fybush.com Thu May 29 00:18:30 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 00:18:30 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" In-Reply-To: <459fb.3b8403e3.40b80c07@aol.com> References: <459fb.3b8403e3.40b80c07@aol.com> Message-ID: <5386B516.2060902@fybush.com> On 5/29/2014 12:05 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > EEI is out there and CBS isn't. > ----BB WEEI is only in Worcester because 1440 kept coming along for the ride every time 107.3 was sold as part of a Boston cluster (first ARS, then Entercom). If Entercom didn't already own 1440, would they be paying someone else to carry WEEI programming? (And that's at least the core of the Worcester market, not the fringe.) Heck, even when Entercom was placing Sox games, complete with Worcester/WVEI ad load, on WCRN for free, it apparently didn't move the needle enough to be worth continuing the arrangement. I don't know where you'd tune now to hear the Sox if you're in Athol or Orange. WVEI sure doesn't get there, and Entercom doesn't seem to care. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 29 00:58:06 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 00:58:06 -0400 Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" In-Reply-To: <5386B516.2060902@fybush.com> References: <459fb.3b8403e3.40b80c07@aol.com> <5386B516.2060902@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5386BE5E.3020800@attorneyross.com> On 5/29/2014 12:18 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > I don't know where you'd tune now to hear the Sox if you're in Athol > or Orange. WVEI sure doesn't get there, and Entercom doesn't seem to > care. Possibly one of the WHMP stations? Maybe the Greenfield one. Possibly the 96.9 FM translator. I've found it to have a pretty good range in points south of Northampton, but I haven't been up to Greenfield lately to see how far it reaches there. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From gspatola@q.com Thu May 29 02:09:36 2014 From: gspatola@q.com (Glenn Spatola) Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:09:36 -0700 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> I am truly amazed that they were allowed to use the WWBZ call letters in an area where WBZ is well known, and where its signal easily reaches! That's bound to confuse some listeners. Glenn > Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:05:05 -0400 > From: Scott Fybush > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" > Message-ID: <5386A3E1.30003@fybush.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 5/28/2014 3:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Was thinking of same thing..the use of "WWBZ" calls on 700 may have a >> purpose.. > > No. > > No, no, no, no, a thousand times no. > > While speculating about the meaning of the calls may fill the daily hot > air quotient on the message boards, there is absolutely no reason to > think that CBS is in any way involved here, and plenty of reasons to > think it isn't. > > While it's just barely within Worcester County, and thus within the > Worcester radio market, that little AM daytimer doesn't serve enough > population to move the ratings needle even a hair within the entire > market. 700 might, on a good day, get 25,000 people, total, within the 5 > mV/m contour in which it's possible to draw ratings. Maybe. And that's > in a market with 400,000+ people 12+ in the metro. > > Do you really think CBS, which cumes something like 600,000-700,000 > people on a good book for WBZ-FM, is going to contract with a competitor > to put Sports Hub programming on a signal that might perhaps add another > 1000 or 2000 listeners who aren't even in (or especially near) the > Boston ratings market? Especially on a daytimer that can't carry most > Bruins or Celtics games? > > It doesn't make a lick of sense. > > It makes much more sense to assume Silberberg grabbed the WWBZ calls > just because he could. Maybe he was hoping CBS would cease-and-desist > him to get a bit of publicity. But why should CBS care? Sports Hub > doesn't even call itself "WBZ" except once, very quickly, at the top of > the hour. And WBZ(AM) doesn't have any real reason to care about > Worcester-market ratings, since it can't sell to most Worcester > advertisers at Boston-market ad rates. Even if it did, any confusion > with "WWBZ" in a diary-based market such as Worcester would probably > fall in WBZ's favor, anyway. > > If "WWBZ" means anything at all, it might mean Steve is parking calls > that he'll use on FM as "the Buzz." But even that mild speculation is > probably more than this story is worth. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu May 29 09:36:20 2014 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (daniel strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: WBUH H-only polarization Message-ID: <390C886DB66C49F6B58067B912515927@PC281321418224> Could the explanation be simply a lower-cost Tx and lower power bills? with little if any lost coverage--especially given WBUA? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 From mrschuyler@aol.com Thu May 29 09:32:30 2014 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (J.E.Schuyler) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" Message-ID: <8D1495992DB616B-424-1BA3B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> Glenn Spatola wrote: "I am truly amazed that they were allowed to use the WWBZ call letters in an area where WBZ is well known, and where its signal easily reaches! That's bound to confuse some listeners." Not really. They ID only once an hour, there's no reason to tune to 700 as long as it simulcasts, and they've changed calls so often that confusion must have given way to apathy long ago. Confuse listeners? WHAT listeners? AM 700 is such a long-neglected non-entity and so far from Boston CBS didn't care enough to object to the call letter change. Also, a minor point of order. WFNX is licensed to Athol, which is in the northwest corner of Worcester County (and the Boston TV market), but WWBZ Orange is at the eastern edge of Franklin County (and the Springfield market). These neighboring towns are not exactly bursting with ad dollars, most of which quite rightly flow into the Athol Daily News and WJDF 97.3. The best way to make money off this combo is to sell it, which may be what this sudden flurry of activity may be about. ~~~J. E. Schuyler From wollman@bimajority.org Thu May 29 16:13:51 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 16:13:51 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's not an issue of channel 6 protection, as it would once have been; > in that case, WBUH might have been built v-pol only, if it would have > fit at all within the protected contour of WLNE. But recall that the original NCE window was before the analog sunset, so a lot of those applications (including Home Improvement's) were originally filed as vertical-only. If they had actually had the resources to build it out themselves, they would undoubtedly have filed an amendment to get rid of the V-only just as BU did. -GAWollman From 011010001@interpring.com Thu May 29 16:33:17 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 16:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUH H-only polarization In-Reply-To: <390C886DB66C49F6B58067B912515927@PC281321418224> References: <390C886DB66C49F6B58067B912515927@PC281321418224> Message-ID: As I understand it, the station had to be built in a hurry, with whatever equipment could be mustered. I'll bet that has a lot to do with it. Two of WUMB's stations were built in trees for the same reason; the clock was ticking on the CP's and there wasn't time to get local approval for a tower. In my experience, horizontal-only polarization correlates with a lot of multipath, but the problem isn't so bad in mono, which WBUR's programming mostly is. Rob On Thu, 29 May 2014, daniel strassberg wrote: > Could the explanation be simply a lower-cost Tx and lower power bills? with little if any lost coverage--especially given WBUA? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > From 011010001@interpring.com Thu May 29 16:39:49 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 16:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <82B0D023-66DD-47CE-B58A-33F0BB418ED1@comcast.net> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <82B0D023-66DD-47CE-B58A-33F0BB418ED1@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2014, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > A friend of mine was thinking that it possibly has to do with the amount > of hazardous signal (or whatever the proper term is) reaching the ground > around the tower due to the low height. The theory was that a horizontal > only signal wouldn't send as much signal to the ground below the > extremely low antenna as a circular pattern would. Theoretically, that's wrong, but it's the measurements that count, and given the effect of the metal tower elements on the radiation pattern, it's possible they found horizontal polarization would pass muster where circular didn't. But my gut feeling is they were racing the clock, and had they found the NIR over the limit they would have just dropped the power. Rob From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 29 16:35:15 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 16:35:15 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> Message-ID: <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> On 5/29/2014 2:09 AM, Glenn Spatola wrote: > I am truly amazed that they were allowed to use the WWBZ call letters > in an area where WBZ is well known, and where its signal easily > reaches! That's bound to confuse some listeners. As I understand it, the FCC will give you whatever call letters you ask for, so long as it's available. They don't get into any other issues, with the possible exception of obvious obscenity such as WF-K or some such. If one station's call letters are too close to another's and might cause confusion, it's up to the aggrieved station to bring a lawsuit for unfair competition, etc. Last one I remember hearing of was back in the 1990s, when WBCN (hard rock) sued WBCS (country). I believe the court dismissed the suit, saying that there was little risk that anyone might confuse a country station with a hard rock station. Which suggests that if someone were to put a classical music station on the air and call it WCRV, and WCRB were to sue, the result might be different. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu May 29 17:42:30 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 17:42:30 -0400 Subject: WBUH H-only polarization In-Reply-To: References: <390C886DB66C49F6B58067B912515927@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <5387A9C6.30202@attorneyross.com> Built in trees? How do you do that? On 5/29/2014 4:33 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > As I understand it, the station had to be built in a hurry, with > whatever equipment could be mustered. I'll bet that has a lot to do > with it. > > Two of WUMB's stations were built in trees for the same reason; the > clock was ticking on the CP's and there wasn't time to get local > approval for a tower. > > In my experience, horizontal-only polarization correlates with a lot > of multipath, but the problem isn't so bad in mono, which WBUR's > programming mostly is. > > > Rob > > On Thu, 29 May 2014, daniel strassberg wrote: > >> Could the explanation be simply a lower-cost Tx and lower power >> bills? with little if any lost coverage--especially given WBUA? >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7586 - Release Date: 05/29/14 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 30 02:08:53 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 02:08:53 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> So, I am trying to disprove a very durable myth. A number of websites, and even a couple of books claim that "Wake Up Little Susie" by the Everly Brothers was banned in Boston. I grew up here, and I absolutely remember hearing it on the radio. I've checked various newspapers (given that a number of radio and music critics back then absolutely hated rock and roll, if the song got banned, you'd think someone would have mentioned it)-- but there was no mention that I could find in the Globe, Herald, Traveler, or several others. No mention in Broadcasting magazine either, and Billboard repeatedly showed that the song was selling in Boston record stores. But what really makes me think the story is a myth is that I found some old surveys that show WCOP played the song. I also found weekly newspaper reports of what the top disc jockeys were playing-- these appeared in the Traveler and the Record American, and they continued to report airplay from WHDH's Bob Clayton's (his show, "Boston Ballroom," was very influential back then). Do any of you have Boston radio surveys from October 1957, the month the song went to #1? My guess is that the more conservative stations like WBZ did not play it, and there might have been some negative commentary about the song by the Boston Archdiocese--the Catholic Church had a lot of influence and I vaguely recall they had a list of songs, movies and books considered not okay for Catholics. But I am not finding any evidence the song was in fact "banned in Boston." From kvahey@gmail.com Fri May 30 02:55:35 2014 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 02:55:35 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I remember the Nuns at St Paul's in Cambridge were cool with any comic book approved by this body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Clayton and WHDH would never touch an Everly Brothers song as they were MOR - they were the WNEW of Boston. The Catholic newspaper the Pilot would list the 'banned' movies and music every week from the Legion of Decency - lets just say my parents went to confession a lot :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_condemned_by_the_Legion_of_Decency On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > So, I am trying to disprove a very durable myth. A number of websites, > and even a couple of books claim that "Wake Up Little Susie" by the Everly > Brothers was banned in Boston. I grew up here, and I absolutely remember > hearing it on the radio. I've checked various newspapers (given that a > number of radio and music critics back then absolutely hated rock and roll, > if the song got banned, you'd think someone would have mentioned it)-- but > there was no mention that I could find in the Globe, Herald, Traveler, or > several others. No mention in Broadcasting magazine either, and Billboard > repeatedly showed that the song was selling in Boston record stores. But > what really makes me think the story is a myth is that I found some old > surveys that show WCOP played the song. I also found weekly newspaper > reports of what the top disc jockeys were playing-- these appeared in the > Traveler and the Record American, and they continued to report airplay from > WHDH's Bob Clayton's (his show, "Boston Ballroom," was very influential > back then). Do any of you have Boston radio surveys from October 1957, the > month the song went to #1? My guess is that the more conservative stations > like WBZ did not play it, and there might have been some negative > commentary about the song by the Boston Archdiocese--the Catholic Church > had a lot of influence and I vaguely recall they had a list of songs, > movies and books considered not okay for Catholics. But I am not finding > any evidence the song was in fact "banned in Boston." > From richard@chonak.com Fri May 30 03:08:34 2014 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 03:08:34 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <53882E72.4010807@chonak.com> Hi, Donna-- Here are some references to censorship in the era, in case you don't have some of these yet: (1) The book "Anti-Rock" (p. 22) says that local radio stations formed their own review board which banned "Susie", but specific dates are lacking. Here's the passage: http://books.google.com/books?id=4pXsV06JjY8C&lpg=PA22&ots=njEiDnrKgF&dq=wake%20up%20little%20susie%20boston%20pilot&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=wake%20up%20little%20susie%20boston%20pilot&f=false Supposedly the "Pilot" newspaper was involved in urging that community standards be maintained in pop music, so that might be a place to look. (2) Cdl. Cushing criticized WHDH-TV in 1951-52 for featuring the busty performer "Dagmar": http://books.google.com/books?id=snwnEXJvVZkC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=richard+cushing+censor&source=bl&ots=Z_BCpuMoPm&sig=8iFPXctBGGETjwUYhNuqJOjI_po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OC2IU_GHL8GdyAScxIKYCg&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=richard%20cushing%20censor&f=false (3) There was a municipal censor in Boston; here's the obit of the last officeholder, Richard Sinnott (serving 1960-1980) http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/03/us/r-j-sinnott-76-last-wielder-of-banned-in-boston-cudgel.html From richard@chonak.com Fri May 30 03:45:03 2014 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 03:45:03 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> Hi, Donna! My previous note was mailed early by mistake; here's one more detail to add: In this profile of city censor Richard Sinnott, he is quoted as saying he didn't have the power to ban songs on the radio: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Richard-Sinnott-City-Censor-of-bluenose-2650988.php If that was the case in the 1950s also, a true "banned in Boston" label for a song probably was not possible. --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 30 04:04:46 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 04:04:46 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> Message-ID: <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> On 5/30/2014 3:45 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > If that was the case in the 1950s also, a true "banned in Boston" label > for a song probably was not possible. > My point exactly. I do think there was a national perception, based on years of the "Watch and Ward Society" and other censors banning movies and plays and books, that any controversial song must have been "banned in Boston." But I cannot find any documentation for the claim about the Everly Brothers song anywhere-- just the statement that it was banned, without any proof to support it. And even in those conservative times during the 1950s, a hit was a hit-- some rather suggestive stuff did in fact get on the air. And I truly do not believe that ALL the stations in Boston banned the song, although I am certain the Church huffed and puffed about it... From richard@chonak.com Fri May 30 05:00:13 2014 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 05:00:13 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> This WCOP survey lists the song at #31, November 18, 1957: http://oldtop40surveys.blogspot.com/2013/07/wcop-suvey-46-november-18-1957.html Would WCOP list the song if they didn't play it? --RC On 05/30/2014 04:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/30/2014 3:45 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> If that was the case in the 1950s also, a true "banned in Boston" label >> for a song probably was not possible. >> > My point exactly. I do think there was a national perception, based > on years of the "Watch and Ward Society" and other censors banning > movies and plays and books, that any controversial song must have been > "banned in Boston." But I cannot find any documentation for the claim > about the Everly Brothers song anywhere-- just the statement that it > was banned, without any proof to support it. And even in those > conservative times during the 1950s, a hit was a hit-- some rather > suggestive stuff did in fact get on the air. And I truly do not > believe that ALL the stations in Boston banned the song, although I am > certain the Church huffed and puffed about it... From linc45r-n@lincster.com Fri May 30 09:54:29 2014 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 06:54:29 -0700 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <015d01cf7c0e$ae2c02e0$0a8408a0$@com> I remember hearing about a so-called Catholic black list, and I do remember some PD's and/or managers making an in-house decision on not playing certain songs... but most of that was later when the issue of drug related lyrics was an FCC hot button, nothing comes to mind of any Everly Brothers' song coming under scrutiny. One song I remember a manager pulling from the playlist was Donna Summer's, "Love To Love You Baby" after saying he read an article that claimed she masturbated while recording the song. Funny, he didn't pull "Undercover Angel," of course he never listened to his own station. The station owner/manager, James F. O'Grady, Jr. was a complete dolt. He would require each department head to give him a weekly verbal report. During the report he would open his mail and otherwise distract himself. One day I decided to see if he was listening, so I told some of the staffers what I was going to do. Those staffers included Tom Shovan, Howard Hoffman and Randy West (Ira Weissblut). My report went like this. "Made repairs to automation system, the Sonomag cart players require a lot of maintenance." Jim...Uh huh. "Jim, your pants are on fire." Jim "uh huh" and so on. So the guys hiding outside the door start laughing and make a hasty retreat. Which momentarily get's Jim's attention... then he continues opening his mail or reading something... OK, it was Shovan who gave me the idea. Then there was Lou Christie, and those lyrics did get changed, that was believed to be under pressure from the Catholic church. Linc From linc45r-n@lincster.com Fri May 30 11:38:53 2014 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:38:53 -0700 Subject: Legendary General Managers In-Reply-To: <015d01cf7c0e$ae2c02e0$0a8408a0$@com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <015d01cf7c0e$ae2c02e0$0a8408a0$@com> Message-ID: <016a01cf7c1d$43ecc540$cbc64fc0$@com> In the northeast we had some legendary general managers.... I guess that's both good and bad. Three that come to mind are: J. Thomas (Joe) Mathers of WNBP, Newburyport, Ed Cetlin of WHAV in Haverhill, and James F. O'Grady of WALL in Middletown, NY. There were others I'm sure... These guys were "characters, to say the least. On the other hand there were some really good managers like Irv Kaizer, who replaced Mathers at WNBP, I knew him there and at WEMJ. Ralph Gottlieb at WKBR, willing to help those who wanted to get into the business... and so on. I'm sure we all have tales, both good and bad that might be fun to share.... Best Joe Mathers story. I got a call one day about going to the transmitter and getting the cows out of the field... what cows. I call Gene Gerry who was the announcer at the time. He says, yes, listen... he had one of those devices that when you tipped over it would moo. When Mathers had called to ask why he was hearing cows, Gene told him he had driven by the transmitter and seen cows in the field. To the best of my knowledge there were never any cows grazed there... ever. But I took the call, went to the transmitter, and got paid for the "emergency call' for disbursing the imaginary cows. I think it was $20 I was paid for a call in. This happened several times in the summer of 1964... damn was that really 50 years ago! There have got to be some other great stories out there, and some, I'm sure, have Tom Shovan somehow involved. Then there was the prank we pulled on WLNH... Linc From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri May 30 12:43:20 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 12:43:20 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> Message-ID: <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> On 5/30/2014 5:00 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > This WCOP survey lists the song at #31, November 18, 1957: > http://oldtop40surveys.blogspot.com/2013/07/wcop-suvey-46-november-18-1957.html > > Would WCOP list the song if they didn't play it? > That was exactly my point. Do you or anyone else on the list have other WCOP surveys? Also, why would Bob Clayton report is to the Boston Traveler each week as a pick hit if he were not playing it? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri May 30 06:03:30 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 06:03:30 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved but when WVBF 105.7 flipped to country they got the calls WCLB as in The Country Club. After awhile it became WKLB (and they moved to several other frequencies--96.9, 99.5, 102.5...and it was said the change was to avoid confusion with WCRB (ironically enough the two stations would flip frequencies in 2006) and maybe even WCVB-TV Again probably no actual lawsuit, but Wikipedia's entry for WKLB says "Confusion with other radio stations , including 102.5's past occupant WCRB , and a TV station lead to WCLB changing its calls to WKLB-FM in 1995. " On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:35 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5/29/2014 2:09 AM, Glenn Spatola wrote: > > I am truly amazed that they were allowed to use the WWBZ call letters in >> an area where WBZ is well known, and where its signal easily reaches! >> That's bound to confuse some listeners. >> > > As I understand it, the FCC will give you whatever call letters you ask > for, so long as it's available. They don't get into any other issues, with > the possible exception of obvious obscenity such as WF-K or some such. If > one station's call letters are too close to another's and might cause > confusion, it's up to the aggrieved station to bring a lawsuit for unfair > competition, etc. Last one I remember hearing of was back in the 1990s, > when WBCN (hard rock) sued WBCS (country). I believe the court dismissed > the suit, saying that there was little risk that anyone might confuse a > country station with a hard rock station. > > Which suggests that if someone were to put a classical music station on > the air and call it WCRV, and WCRB were to sue, the result might be > different. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 30 15:01:15 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBUH H-only polarization In-Reply-To: <5387A9C6.30202@attorneyross.com> References: <390C886DB66C49F6B58067B912515927@PC281321418224> <5387A9C6.30202@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 May 2014, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Built in trees? How do you do that? I've only seen one of the sites: The antenna is mounted on a vertical pipe which is mounted parallel to the tree trunk; the transmission line runs down the trunk. Rob From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 30 15:03:39 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 May 2014, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Which suggests that if someone were to put a classical music station on the > air and call it WCRV, and WCRB were to sue, the result might be different. They did not, however, object to WHRB when it went on the air in 1957 with a largely classical format. Rob From lglavin@mail.com Thu May 29 18:28:48 2014 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:28:48 +0200 Subject: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster In-Reply-To: <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com>, <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: >Sent:?Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM >From:?"Garrett Wollman" >To:?"Scott Fybush" >Cc:?boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject:?Re: Fw: WBUR Cape Cod now broadcasting on 89.1 FM, WBUH Brewster >< said: > It's not an issue of channel 6 protection, as it would once have been; > in that case, WBUH might have been built v-pol only, if it would have > fit at all within the protected contour of WLNE. >But recall that the original NCE window was before the analog sunset, >so a lot of those applications (including Home Improvement's) were >originally filed as vertical-only. If they had actually had the >resources to build it out themselves, they would undoubtedly have >filed an amendment to get rid of the V-only just as BU did. >-GAWollman One thing that I found somewhat amusing while perusing WBUR's FCC Application for WBUH: there's a limited power TV station in New Haven, CT on channel 6! History repeats itself! Since the earliest TV allocation for NYC didn't include a channel 5, New Haven's pioneer TV station WNHC-TV went on-the-air on channel 6. Once WABD-TV started broadcasting, I guess the FCC decided that an adjacent channel on a low numbered V in New Haven would interfere with the NYC station, but an adjacent channel to a high-numbered V wouldn't. Voila! WNHC-TV was moved to channel 8. From mrschuyler@aol.com Fri May 30 10:57:48 2014 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (J.E.Schuyler) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 10:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ 700, WFNX 99.9 "vote for format" In-Reply-To: References: <8D1495992DB616B-424-1BA3B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D14A2EA8326CD5-10CC-3B7C9@webmail-va054.sysops.aol.com> Laurence Glaven wrote: Sell the station? With regard to AM 700, it's possible they'd get a higher return by selling the metals in the tower and ground system. I recently checked Monex for the price of gold to see if it might explain why Glenn Beck is in tears do often. That metal may be declining in price, but others seem to be rising. The prevalence of copper thieves at transmitter sites my indicate the market for that metal is holding steady at least. I wouldn't argue, but there's a catch: it appears American Tower owns the structure behind the unmanned studio building, which in turn needs to have the surrounding foot-high grass and weeds mowed. ~~~J. E. Schuyler From 011010001@interpring.com Fri May 30 15:44:27 2014 From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 2014, Bob Nelson wrote: > I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved but when WVBF 105.7 flipped to > country they got the calls WCLB as in The Country Club. After awhile it > became WKLB (and they moved to several other frequencies--96.9, 99.5, > 102.5...and it was said the change was to avoid confusion with WCRB The problem was Arbitron disry keepers hearing "WCLB" and writing down "WCRB". The problem became immediately evident to WCLB's management (still Fairbanks Broadcasting, I think), and they applied to change to "WKLB" without any encoouragement from WCRB. Rob From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri May 30 16:06:11 2014 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:06:11 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Confusion was not the issue Fairbanks wanted WCLB for their FM just outside West Palm Beach, FL On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved but when WVBF 105.7 flipped to > country they got the calls WCLB as in The Country Club. After awhile it > became WKLB (and they moved to several other frequencies--96.9, 99.5, > 102.5...and it was said the change was to avoid confusion with WCRB > (ironically enough the two stations would flip frequencies in 2006) and > maybe even WCVB-TV > > Again probably no actual lawsuit, but Wikipedia's entry for WKLB says > "Confusion > with other radio stations , > including 102.5's past occupant > WCRB > , and a TV station > lead to WCLB changing its calls to > WKLB-FM in 1995. " > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:35 PM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > > On 5/29/2014 2:09 AM, Glenn Spatola wrote: > > > > I am truly amazed that they were allowed to use the WWBZ call letters in > >> an area where WBZ is well known, and where its signal easily reaches! > >> That's bound to confuse some listeners. > >> > > > > As I understand it, the FCC will give you whatever call letters you ask > > for, so long as it's available. They don't get into any other issues, > with > > the possible exception of obvious obscenity such as WF-K or some such. > If > > one station's call letters are too close to another's and might cause > > confusion, it's up to the aggrieved station to bring a lawsuit for unfair > > competition, etc. Last one I remember hearing of was back in the 1990s, > > when WBCN (hard rock) sued WBCS (country). I believe the court dismissed > > the suit, saying that there was little risk that anyone might confuse a > > country station with a hard rock station. > > > > Which suggests that if someone were to put a classical music station on > > the air and call it WCRV, and WCRB were to sue, the result might be > > different. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri May 30 16:07:13 2014 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <21384.58609.491943.891709@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The problem was Arbitron disry keepers hearing "WCLB" and writing down > "WCRB". The problem became immediately evident to WCLB's management (still > Fairbanks Broadcasting, I think), and they applied to change to "WKLB" > without any encoouragement from WCRB. And of course now with PPM none of this matters any more, which is why AMP 103.3 is still WODS. -GAWollman From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri May 30 16:13:27 2014 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:13:27 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I tend to doubt there is any crossover between listeners of country and classical music On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Bob Nelson wrote: > > I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved but when WVBF 105.7 flipped >> to >> country they got the calls WCLB as in The Country Club. After awhile it >> became WKLB (and they moved to several other frequencies--96.9, 99.5, >> 102.5...and it was said the change was to avoid confusion with WCRB >> > > The problem was Arbitron disry keepers hearing "WCLB" and writing down > "WCRB". The problem became immediately evident to WCLB's management (still > Fairbanks Broadcasting, I think), and they applied to change to "WKLB" > without any encoouragement from WCRB. > > > Rob > From scott@fybush.com Fri May 30 16:15:30 2014 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:15:30 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5388E6E2.3060105@fybush.com> On 5/30/2014 3:44 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > The problem was Arbitron disry keepers hearing "WCLB" and writing down > "WCRB". The problem became immediately evident to WCLB's management > (still Fairbanks Broadcasting, I think), and they applied to change to > "WKLB" without any encoouragement from WCRB. And it's important to note that the days of diary misattribution are gone, at least in the Boston market. The PPM meters know what they're hearing, no matter what it's being called on the air. That's probably one reason nobody at CBS is getting in any kind of a lather over "WWBZ" in Orange - the possibility that WWBZ will in any way affect the ratings or revenue of WBZ(AM) or WBZ-FM is quite literally zero. That was not the case when WCLB and WCRB were battling it out. s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri May 30 18:21:33 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 18:21:33 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Yes but WCRB had good fun with the freq swap by ending their 102.5 run with a western-themed piece, "Rodeo", which had been featured on the Beef: It's what's for Dinner ads. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 01:04:19 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:04:19 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53895D67.1020205@attorneyross.com> References: <53895D67.1020205@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <538962D3.7020804@attorneyross.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: top-40 in 1957 Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:41:11 -0400 From: A Joseph Ross Organization: Law Office of A. Joseph Ross, J.D. To: Donna Halper I listened mostly to WCOP at that time, and I heard it quite often. I have three WCOP survey sheets, but they aren't from that time frame, but I've never heard of any such ban in Boston, and I don't know who would have banned it. For that matter, what was so risque' about it anyway? They fell asleep and missed curfew. They were probably out pretty late. Yes, they literally slept together. But if you actually sleep together, you're not doing the things that people usually mean by "sleeping together." (Kinda Like Isaac Asimov's remark that people say they're going out together when they really are staying in together.) On 5/30/2014 2:08 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > So, I am trying to disprove a very durable myth. A number of > websites, and even a couple of books claim that "Wake Up Little Susie" > by the Everly Brothers was banned in Boston. I grew up here, and I > absolutely remember hearing it on the radio. I've checked various > newspapers (given that a number of radio and music critics back then > absolutely hated rock and roll, if the song got banned, you'd think > someone would have mentioned it)-- but there was no mention that I > could find in the Globe, Herald, Traveler, or several others. No > mention in Broadcasting magazine either, and Billboard repeatedly > showed that the song was selling in Boston record stores. But what > really makes me think the story is a myth is that I found some old > surveys that show WCOP played the song. I also found weekly newspaper > reports of what the top disc jockeys were playing-- these appeared in > the Traveler and the Record American, and they continued to report > airplay from WHDH's Bob Clayton's (his show, "Boston Ballroom," was > very influential back then). Do any of you have Boston radio surveys > from October 1957, the month the song went to #1? My guess is that > the more conservative stations like WBZ did not play it, and there > might have been some negative commentary about the song by the Boston > Archdiocese--the Catholic Church had a lot of influence and I vaguely > recall they had a list of songs, movies and books considered not okay > for Catholics. But I am not finding any evidence the song was in fact > "banned in Boston." > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7587 - Release Date: 05/29/14 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 01:04:47 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:04:47 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: top-40 in 1957 Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:48:03 -0400 From: A Joseph Ross Organization: Law Office of A. Joseph Ross, J.D. To: Donna Halper On 5/30/2014 4:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > My point exactly. I do think there was a national perception, based > on years of the "Watch and Ward Society" and other censors banning > movies and plays and books, that any controversial song must have been > "banned in Boston." But I cannot find any documentation for the claim > about the Everly Brothers song anywhere-- just the statement that it > was banned, without any proof to support it. And even in those > conservative times during the 1950s, a hit was a hit-- some rather > suggestive stuff did in fact get on the air. And I truly do not > believe that ALL the stations in Boston banned the song, although I am > certain the Church huffed and puffed about it... I think I remember something about a passage from Disney's "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" being banned. I don't remember noticing the passage when I saw the movie sometime around 7th grade, but I remember it from a Little Golden Record, which I still have. Grumpy sings, "The minute after I was born, I didn't have a nightie. So I tied my whiskers round my legs and used 'em for a dighty." My recollection is that I took the whole thing literally, wondering how a newborn could have whiskers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 01:05:18 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:05:18 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: WWBZ In-Reply-To: <5389616A.8040802@attorneyross.com> References: <5389616A.8040802@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5389630E.80603@attorneyross.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: WWBZ Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:58:18 -0400 From: A Joseph Ross Organization: Law Office of A. Joseph Ross, J.D. To: Rob Landry <011010001@interpring.com> On 5/30/2014 3:44 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > The problem was Arbitron disry keepers hearing "WCLB" and writing down > "WCRB". The problem became immediately evident to WCLB's management > (still Fairbanks Broadcasting, I think), and they applied to change to > "WKLB" without any encoouragement from WCRB. As I recall, one ratings book had WCRB show a surprising bump in ratings just after WCLB came on, and WCLB didn't get the ratings it expected. It didn't take long to figure out that people were crediting WCLB listeners to WCRB. So WCRB didn't mind, but WCLB did. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 31 01:23:04 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:23:04 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <538962D3.7020804@attorneyross.com> References: <53895D67.1020205@attorneyross.com> <538962D3.7020804@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <53896738.4040107@donnahalper.com> Joe wrote-- > > I listened mostly to WCOP at that time, and I heard it quite often. I > have three WCOP survey sheets, but they aren't from that time frame, but > I've never heard of any such ban in Boston, and I don't know who would > have banned it. That is also my point: I don't think WBZ played it, but other stations did, and WCOP was absolutely one of them. I too have a couple of WCOP surveys which show "Wake Up Little Susie" as being played, but I wish anyone with a Boston radio survey from September or October 1957 would let me know if they see the song listed. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 00:53:56 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:53:56 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <53896064.7020003@attorneyross.com> On 5/30/2014 12:43 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Would WCOP list the song if they didn't play it? > > That was exactly my point. Do you or anyone else on the list have > other WCOP surveys? Also, why would Bob Clayton report is to the > Boston Traveler each week as a pick hit if he were not playing it? I've always thought the general rule in those days was that if the risque' material was sufficiently subtle that it passed right over the heads of children, so that they didn't ask embarrassing questions, it could pass. Watching DVDs of Groucho Marx's quiz show from that era, I've seen a number of risque' remarks, but they were sufficiently subtle that when I saw those shows back in the day, I didn't notice anything. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 00:56:37 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:56:37 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <53896105.1060107@attorneyross.com> On 5/30/2014 3:03 PM, Rob Landry wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 May 2014, A Joseph Ross wrote: > >> Which suggests that if someone were to put a classical music station >> on the air and call it WCRV, and WCRB were to sue, the result might >> be different. > > They did not, however, object to WHRB when it went on the air in 1957 > with a largely classical format. Since the name of the letter H doesn't sound all that much like the name of the letter C, it's harder to confuse the two. It's much harder to confuse WCRB and WCRB, especially if it's an out-of-state caller doing a telephone survey. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 00:59:43 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 00:59:43 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <538961BF.8040301@attorneyross.com> On 5/30/2014 4:06 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > Confusion was not the issue > Fairbanks wanted WCLB for their FM just outside West Palm Beach, FL Or maybe they made a virtue out of necessity and put the WCLB calls where they wouldn't cause confusion. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 01:00:46 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:00:46 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <538961FE.90700@attorneyross.com> On 5/30/2014 4:13 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > I tend to doubt there is any crossover between listeners of country and > classical music It's not a matter of crossover, it's a matter of Arbitron surveyors getting the stations confused. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat May 31 02:12:49 2014 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 02:12:49 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> On 5/31/2014 1:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > I think I remember something about a passage from Disney's "Snow White > and the Seven Dwarfs" being banned. I don't remember noticing the > passage when I saw the movie sometime around 7th grade, but I remember > it from a Little Golden Record, which I still have. Grumpy sings, "The > minute after I was born, I didn't have a nightie. So I tied my whiskers > round my legs and used 'em for a dighty." That should read 2nd grade. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 31 08:01:01 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 08:01:01 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: There have been songs that got 'cleaned up' a bit-- WBUR used to run a show called Kids America and they'd play Steve Martin's hit "King Tut". Instead of the line saying "He's my favorite honky" they re-ran "Did you do the monkey?" Meaning, as in do a dance by that name, we'd hope. While the album version of Charlie Daniels' "Devil Went Down to Georgia" contains "son of a bitch", the single and radio version says "son of a gun". The 80s song Never Say Never by Romeo Void had a line with the F word: "That man could give a F about the grin..." It was replaced on a radio edit by a drumbeat. Rap and rock songs had 'clean' versions where swears were bleeped out or the swear was "reverse masked". And of course Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed Girl" had a line about "makin' love in the green grass" which was substituted with "laughin' and a runnin'" again, and when the Stones did "Let's Spend the Night Together" on Sullivan show, they were supposed to sing "Let's Spend Some Time Together" (supposedly Mick sang something like Let's Spend Some Mmm Together) On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5/31/2014 1:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > I think I remember something about a passage from Disney's "Snow White >> and the Seven Dwarfs" being banned. I don't remember noticing the >> passage when I saw the movie sometime around 7th grade, but I remember >> it from a Little Golden Record, which I still have. Grumpy sings, "The >> minute after I was born, I didn't have a nightie. So I tied my whiskers >> round my legs and used 'em for a dighty." >> > > That should read 2nd grade. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 31 07:51:29 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 07:51:29 -0400 Subject: WWBZ In-Reply-To: <538961FE.90700@attorneyross.com> References: <0B5D50ED3BF2458EB9A03546F289B26D@HomePC> <53879A03.1090908@attorneyross.com> <538961FE.90700@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The various stations simulcasting WEEI have gotten call letters similar to it, like WVEI, WEII, WPEI, WWEI etc. They identify as the WEEI Sports Radio Network and even in this age of PPMs, they intentionally went for similar call letters to match the name of the overall 'network'. But it's not a matter of competing stations in the same market, but stations a bit further away simulcasting the main WEEI-FM signal (whether owned by Entercom or someone else) On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:00 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5/30/2014 4:13 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > > I tend to doubt there is any crossover between listeners of country and >> classical music >> > > It's not a matter of crossover, it's a matter of Arbitron surveyors > getting the stations confused. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat May 31 10:32:17 2014 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian T. Vita) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 10:32:17 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome". The line was "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school". It was abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school". Ah, the power of the razor blade. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com Direct: (978)548-4112 tel: fax: (800)231-8849 X200 978-538-7550 From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat May 31 11:39:54 2014 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 11:39:54 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com>, <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com>, <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: And much more recently (2009), the Zac Brown Band's country hit, where theoriginal lyrics are "Toes in the water, ass in the sand". Atlantic recordmade a radio edit version of the song where the lyrics become "Toes in the water, toes in the sand". Also in the radio edit, later in the song ,the phrase "roll a big fat one"is blurred out. http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2009/09/02/zac-brown-bands-toes-challenges-radio-programmers-with-lyrics/ -Bob > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 08:01:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 > From: raccoonradio@gmail.com > To: joe@attorneyross.com > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > There have been songs that got 'cleaned up' a bit-- WBUR used to run a show > called Kids America and they'd play Steve Martin's hit "King Tut". Instead > of the line saying "He's my favorite honky" they re-ran "Did you do the > monkey?" Meaning, as in do a dance by that name, we'd hope. While the album > version of Charlie Daniels' "Devil Went Down to Georgia" contains "son of a > bitch", the single and radio version says "son of a gun". > > The 80s song Never Say Never by Romeo Void had a line with the F word: > "That man could give a F about the grin..." It was replaced on a radio edit > by a drumbeat. Rap and rock songs had 'clean' versions where swears were > bleeped out or the swear was "reverse masked". And of course Van Morrison's > "Brown Eyed Girl" had a line about "makin' love in the green grass" which > was substituted with "laughin' and a runnin'" again, and when the Stones > did "Let's Spend the Night Together" on Sullivan show, they were supposed > to sing "Let's Spend Some Time Together" (supposedly Mick sang something > like Let's Spend Some Mmm Together) > > > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > > On 5/31/2014 1:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > > > I think I remember something about a passage from Disney's "Snow White > >> and the Seven Dwarfs" being banned. I don't remember noticing the > >> passage when I saw the movie sometime around 7th grade, but I remember > >> it from a Little Golden Record, which I still have. Grumpy sings, "The > >> minute after I was born, I didn't have a nightie. So I tied my whiskers > >> round my legs and used 'em for a dighty." > >> > > > > That should read 2nd grade. > > > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 31 12:39:24 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 12:39:24 -0400 Subject: censored song lyrics (was top 40 in 1957) In-Reply-To: <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <538A05BC.2070809@donnahalper.com> On 5/31/2014 10:32 AM, Brian T. Vita wrote: > Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome". The line was "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school". It was abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school". Ah, the power of the razor blade. > And don't forget "Lola" by the Kinks; it originally said "where you drink champagne and it tastes just like Coca Cola," but some stations thought that was an advertisement, as did the BBC, and the Kinks changed the lyrics to "cherry cola." Also changed was the novelty song "My boomerang won't come back" by Charlie Drake-- it originally said "practiced till I was black in the face" but that sounded racist to some folks, so he changed the line to "blue in the face." From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com Sat May 31 13:18:46 2014 From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:18:46 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 edits and censoring References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <52B42F82E32340FA8AF02D420AB34C26@ownerd8aa55a4d> There was one song I used to listen to on WRKO...by England Dan and John Ford-Coley: "I'd really love to see you tonight" When RKO started playing it....the words "I'm not talking 'bout movin' in" were blurred out using whatever method they used at the time (reversing the peice of tape?). After awhile...the words suddenly appeared on the air! Looking back, it's hard to imagine someone at RKO thought this was going to be offensive in 1976. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat May 31 14:17:25 2014 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:17:25 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I remember Bob Clayton from the early 60's when he hosted Boston Ballroom on WHDH and also did a TV show on Channel 5. I would be shocked if Clayton could have played that as again in those years WHDH was a strict MOR format except overnight when they let Norm Nathan do as he pleased. I'm not old enough to remember what WHDH and WBZ were doing in the late 50's. I do recall WCOP was huge with teenagers in Cambridge and Ken Carter used to do a live remote from Porter Square every Saturday called the 'Pepsi Dance Party from the Elliot Ballroom' What doomed WCOP was they could not deliver the North Shore at night as the signal vanished just north of Revere. What I don't understand is why Plough just pulled the plug on Top 40 in 1962 as WCOP was strong in the near western burbs of Watertown, Waltham, Newton and Brookline. WMEX at night was iffy 3 miles from the coast at night. I grew up just north of Harvard Square and WMEX had issues with both WTOP and WKBW. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/30/2014 5:00 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > >> This WCOP survey lists the song at #31, November 18, 1957: >> http://oldtop40surveys.blogspot.com/2013/07/wcop- >> suvey-46-november-18-1957.html >> >> Would WCOP list the song if they didn't play it? >> >> > > That was exactly my point. Do you or anyone else on the list have other > WCOP surveys? Also, why would Bob Clayton report is to the Boston Traveler > each week as a pick hit if he were not playing it? > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat May 31 14:26:16 2014 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:26:16 -0400 Subject: censored song lyrics (was top 40 in 1957) In-Reply-To: <538A05BC.2070809@donnahalper.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> <538A05BC.2070809@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Great examples; also the British band XTC had a song called "Life Begins at the Hop". Lyric "...and there's Coca-Cola on draught (draft)" was changed to "c-c-cola". On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 5/31/2014 10:32 AM, Brian T. Vita wrote: > >> Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome". The line was >> "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school". It was >> abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school". Ah, the >> power of the razor blade. >> >> > And don't forget "Lola" by the Kinks; it originally said "where you drink > champagne and it tastes just like Coca Cola," but some stations thought > that was an advertisement, as did the BBC, and the Kinks changed the lyrics > to "cherry cola." Also changed was the novelty song "My boomerang won't > come back" by Charlie Drake-- it originally said "practiced till I was > black in the face" but that sounded racist to some folks, so he changed the > line to "blue in the face." > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat May 31 14:36:50 2014 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:36:50 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED52791F408EA32A89144A9F520C@PC281321418224> <5385E74E.7030609@fybush.com> <21382.23377.61789.376069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5386A633.8080305@fybush.com> <21383.38143.19140.610461@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <53882075.8030802@donnahalper.com> <538836FF.7060106@chonak.com> <53883B9E.8030908@donnahalper.com> <5388489D.3020705@chonak.com> <5388B528.1030603@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <538A2142.6090600@donnahalper.com> On 5/31/2014 2:17 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I remember Bob Clayton from the early 60's when he hosted Boston > Ballroom on WHDH and also did a TV show on Channel 5. > > I would be shocked if Clayton could have played that as again in those > years WHDH was a strict MOR format except overnight when they let Norm > Nathan do as he pleased. Clayton had a lot of freedom in the 1950s-- his show often featured pop and top-40 hits that he recommended and then reported to the newspapers. In fact, Newsweek magazine named him one of the five most influential DJs in the country and I believe he even made a guest appearance on American Bandstand. I agree that WHDH had a Middle of the Road format, but my recollection of Clayton and "Boston Ballroom" is that while he personally did not like top-40, he liked being an influential DJ, so he played certain top-40 songs he believed in, as long as they weren't too raucous. From markwats@comcast.net Sat May 31 14:37:37 2014 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 14:37:37 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <005201cf7cff$65fa9760$31efc620$@comcast.net> Brian Vita wrote: >Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome". The line was "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school". It was >abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school WBZ-AM went one step further with Kodachrome. They edited the song to start with the verse "If you took all the girls I knew when I was single". That cut it down to about a 2 minute song. I also recall hearing once on WHDH a butchered edit of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" when it was a current in 1976. Mark Watson From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat May 31 16:14:54 2014 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 16:14:54 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Just heard this version on WCTK today It amazes me how often the works "sucks" is used on both TV and radio On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > And much more recently (2009), the Zac Brown Band's country hit, where > theoriginal lyrics are "Toes in the water, ass in the sand". Atlantic > recordmade a radio edit version of the song where the lyrics become "Toes > in the water, toes in the sand". > Also in the radio edit, later in the song ,the phrase "roll a big fat > one"is blurred out. > > > http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2009/09/02/zac-brown-bands-toes-challenges-radio-programmers-with-lyrics/ > > -Bob > > > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 08:01:01 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 > > From: raccoonradio@gmail.com > > To: joe@attorneyross.com > > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > > > There have been songs that got 'cleaned up' a bit-- WBUR used to run a > show > > called Kids America and they'd play Steve Martin's hit "King Tut". > Instead > > of the line saying "He's my favorite honky" they re-ran "Did you do the > > monkey?" Meaning, as in do a dance by that name, we'd hope. While the > album > > version of Charlie Daniels' "Devil Went Down to Georgia" contains "son > of a > > bitch", the single and radio version says "son of a gun". > > > > The 80s song Never Say Never by Romeo Void had a line with the F word: > > "That man could give a F about the grin..." It was replaced on a radio > edit > > by a drumbeat. Rap and rock songs had 'clean' versions where swears were > > bleeped out or the swear was "reverse masked". And of course Van > Morrison's > > "Brown Eyed Girl" had a line about "makin' love in the green grass" which > > was substituted with "laughin' and a runnin'" again, and when the Stones > > did "Let's Spend the Night Together" on Sullivan show, they were supposed > > to sing "Let's Spend Some Time Together" (supposedly Mick sang something > > like Let's Spend Some Mmm Together) > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > > > > On 5/31/2014 1:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > > > > > I think I remember something about a passage from Disney's "Snow White > > >> and the Seven Dwarfs" being banned. I don't remember noticing the > > >> passage when I saw the movie sometime around 7th grade, but I remember > > >> it from a Little Golden Record, which I still have. Grumpy sings, > "The > > >> minute after I was born, I didn't have a nightie. So I tied my > whiskers > > >> round my legs and used 'em for a dighty." > > >> > > > > > > That should read 2nd grade. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA > 02109-2004 > > > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat May 31 19:30:25 2014 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 16:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> References: <53895F03.4010301@attorneyross.com> <538962EF.9020809@attorneyross.com> <538972E1.90000@attorneyross.com> <004901cf7cdd$23dac430$6b904c90$@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <1401579025.7061.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >Brian Vita wrote: >>????? Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome".? The line >was "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school".? It was >abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school".? Ah, the >power of the razor blade. > > >???? I think the razor blade was at Columbia Records. IIRC, they issued a radio station single like that, and some / many / most (?) stations used it, including WSPR in Springfield, my hangout at the time. What did WRKO and the other stations in Boston do? > From markwa1ion@aol.com Sat May 31 22:01:49 2014 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: top-40 in 1957 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D14B5495BD677C-16D0-46650@webmail-vm049.sysops.aol.com> I seem to remember that there was quite a fuss in late 1969 when WMEX cut loose with European super-hit "Je T'Aime" by Jane Birkin & Serge Gainsbourg. This featured simulated orgasmic panting by Ms. Birkin. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpDf6XX_j0 Earlier in '69, WMEX also got tossed on the grill thanks to John Lennon's "Ballad of John and Yoko" with the line "Christ, you know it ain't easy." Meanwhile WBCN and college FM's were sliding by playing songs with far more suggestive lyrics and cursing (Zappa stuff, Country Joe "Give me an F" etc.) but those guys somehow flew under the radar. Top 40, on the other hand, still had to be held up to a squeaky-clean '50s-like standard. When John H. Garabedian got on WMEX (late '69 or early '70), he tried sneaking in anything he thought he could get away with. I think he figured that would be the only way to keep the college-age male part of the radio audience who were deserting AM in record numbers for WBCN - this at the same time that younger teens, especially females, were latching onto WRKO in preference to WMEX. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA << Let's not forget WBZ-FM with Paul Simon's "Kodachrome". The line was "when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school". It was abridged to "when I think back of all...I learned in high school". Ah, the power of the razor blade. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com Direct: (978)548-4112 tel: fax: (800)231-8849 X200 978-538-7550 >> From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Sat May 31 13:07:12 2014 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:07:12 -0400 Subject: top-40 in 1957 Message-ID: It's Boston radio history 101 There was quite flap over Boston DJs music selection concerning the 1954 to 1960 period. Here's a link to a Billboard story from 2/22/60 that provides a pretty good answer to the situation involving Herald Traveler Corp's WHDH, certain of its air talent and certain industry practices. There are also records of congressional committee testimony at the BPL public documents department for anyone who still believes in scholarly research. Fun quote: Norm Prescott, WHDH, WORL, WBZ: "I personally have no faith in (Cash Box and Billboard record surveys)" *http://tinyurl.com/ndkfosn * ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donna Halper To: Richard Chonak Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 12:43:20 -0400 Subject: Re: top-40 in 1957 On 5/30/2014 5:00 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > This WCOP survey lists the song at #31, November 18, 1957: > > http://oldtop40surveys.blogspot.com/2013/07/wcop-suvey-46-november-18-1957.html > > Would WCOP list the song if they didn't play it? > > That was exactly my point. Do you or anyone else on the list have other WCOP surveys? Also, why would Bob Clayton report is to the Boston Traveler each week as a pick hit if he were not playing it?