From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jul  1 01:30:37 2014
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 01:30:37 -0400
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.502.1404108327.1152.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
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 <01b801cf93cc$914ce1a0$b3e6a4e0$@garysicecream.com>
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On 6/30/2014 2:05 AM, Martin Waters via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote:

> Now, I would like to know what's going to be done to collect the royalties Aereo should have been paying.

Probably very little.  Aereo probably will have no money and likely will file bankruptcy.  The plaintiffs in this case will probably be quite happy to force Aereo to shut down, and won't throw good money after bad trying to collect blood out of a stone.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 03:00:42 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 03:00:42 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
Message-ID: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>

Over the past 10-15 years distribution has changed.

Cable companies no longer need a 'head end' as they get their primary
signals via fiber ( not OTA ) - this is also true for satellite feeds as
for example NBCSN sends a fiber commercial roll to Boston during hockey
playoffs.


?Who in the end was Aereo hurting? ?They were enhancing the viewership of
the transmitters .

The harsh reality is - 2-4-5-7-25-38-44-46-50-56-66-68 and others I have
missed could turn off their transmitters tomorrow and maybe 20% of viewers
would notice.





On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:30 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

>
> On 6/30/2014 2:05 AM, Martin Waters via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote:
>
>  Now, I would like to know what's going to be done to collect the
>> royalties Aereo should have been paying.
>>
>
> Probably very little.  Aereo probably will have no money and likely will
> file bankruptcy.  The plaintiffs in this case will probably be quite happy
> to force Aereo to shut down, and won't throw good money after bad trying to
> collect blood out of a stone.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jul  1 03:49:09 2014
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 03:49:09 -0400
Subject: Aereo
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<<On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 01:30:37 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 6/30/2014 2:05 AM, Martin Waters via Boston-Radio-Interest wrote:

>> Now, I would like to know what's going to be done to collect the
>> royalties Aereo should have been paying.

> Probably very little.  Aereo probably will have no money and likely
> will file bankruptcy.  The plaintiffs in this case will probably be
> quite happy to force Aereo to shut down, and won't throw good money
> after bad trying to collect blood out of a stone.

There's always the chance that Aereo's lawyers can see some daylight
between the Copyright Act (requiring the statutory license regime) and
the Communications Act (which defines a cable system for the purpose
of retrans consent).  But that seems like a difficult and unlikely
course given the thrashing that they got in the Supreme Court.

A lot of the reporting on this case has conflated the royalties paid
under the statutory license given to all cable systems in the
Copyright Act (17 USC 111(c)) with the additional rents stations are
able to extract from MVPDs in retrans "negotiations" under the 1992
Cable Act (47 CFR 325(b)).  Aereo's position all along was that they
were not engaged in "retransmission" so they were not subject to the
statutory license.  Now that the court has determined that Aereo is,
in effect, a cable system -- at least for the purposes of the
Copyright Act -- Aereo should be entitled to take the statutory
license, and royalties under that license are owed to the Register of
Copyrights and NOT to individual broadcasters.

Subsection 325(b) of the Communications Act does not appear to provide
any penalty for violations of retrans consent, unlike section 325(e)
(regarding satellite carriage of out-of-market signals), which
provides for statutory damages of $25,000 per violation.  So my guess
is that Aereo does not owe anything to the broadcasters, but may owe
quite a bit to Copyright Office -- if they can figure out how to apply
the statutory royalty formula to Aereo's situation.

I don't know what priority the Copyright Office would have in any
hypothetical Aereo bankruptcy.

-GAWollman

From Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 13:09:05 2014
From: Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 13:09:05 -0400
Subject: Severin and THe Blaze?
Message-ID: <1BFB887894F84488BE8E140EAA43BCE9@ownerd8aa55a4d>

Anyone know if Jay Severin is gone from The Blaze radio?

http://www.video.theblaze.com/schedule/index.jsp

I don't see him there...

From map@mapinternet.com  Tue Jul  1 14:02:26 2014
From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:02:26 -0400
Subject: Aereo suspending operations as of 11:30 today
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Message-ID: <60B587F80E9245428589A7E806DB0FFB@laptop>

Did Aereo actually offer service to Fitchburg, Chatham and Contoocook? I 
looked at the Aereo New York City service area a few weeks ago, and it was 
very narrow, serving only the core of that market. Ex: Greenwich, CT was not 
offered service.

Mark Casey
K1MAP

-----Original Message----- 
From: Scott Fybush
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:00 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Aereo suspending operations as of 11:30 today

For a fairly measly $8 a month, a viewer in Fitchburg (or
Chatham, or Contoocook) could get the same channels that someone in
Newton could see for free.



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From gspatola@q.com  Tue Jul  1 20:42:21 2014
From: gspatola@q.com (Glenn Spatola)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:42:21 -0700
Subject: Stop sets: the "2-Minute Promise"
Message-ID: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>

There was a discussion on the list not too long ago about the length of stop sets, pros and cons of longer vs shorter commercial breaks...  I just found a very interesting blog piece about an AA station here in the Seattle area that has made a "2-Minute Promise" to its listeners.  Perhaps it will spur more discussion.
http://jacobsmediablog.com/2014/06/26/spotless-in-seattle/


Glenn Spatola
Port Orchard, WA

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jul  1 21:32:37 2014
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 21:32:37 -0400
Subject: Stop sets: the "2-Minute Promise"
In-Reply-To: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>
References: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <21427.24885.998416.213328@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:42:21 -0700, "Glenn Spatola" <gspatola@q.com> said:

> There was a discussion on the list not too long ago about the length
> of stop sets, pros and cons of longer vs shorter commercial
> breaks...  I just found a very interesting blog piece about an AA
> station here in the Seattle area that has made a "2-Minute Promise"
> to its listeners.  Perhaps it will spur more discussion.

I'll be interested to see how this works out -- and Seattle is a PPM
market so it won't be long before there is some actual evidence
whether it's working for the audience.  But I'm not sure how much I
believe in Entercom's willingness to stick to its "promise",
particularly if they end up getting bought by Cox next week.

I'll actually be in Seattle in November, so I'll certainly give it a
listen (no satellite/Bluetooth in the rental car!) if they're still
doing it then.

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jul  2 01:46:47 2014
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 01:46:47 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>

On 7/1/2014 3:00 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> ?Who in the end was Aereo hurting? ?They were enhancing the viewership 
> of the transmitters .

When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com


From 011010001@interpring.com  Wed Jul  2 07:07:43 2014
From: 011010001@interpring.com (Rob Landry)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 07:07:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Stop sets: the "2-Minute Promise"
In-Reply-To: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>
References: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1407020703550.20737@python>



On Tue, 1 Jul 2014, Glenn Spatola wrote:

> There was a discussion on the list not too long ago about the length of 
> stop sets, pros and cons of longer vs shorter commercial breaks...  I 
> just found a very interesting blog piece about an AA station here in the 
> Seattle area that has made a "2-Minute Promise" to its listeners. 
> Perhaps it will spur more discussion. 
> http://jacobsmediablog.com/2014/06/26/spotless-in-seattle/

The biggest challenge is going to be convincing advertisers to pay higher 
rates. Cutting the inventory by 50% means one has to get double one's 
previous average rate in order to achieve the same revenue.

I suspect this is the main stumbling block to most stations considering 
this approach, particularly when their owners are burdened by big debts, 
as many of them are.

Will Entercom try this in Boston?


Rob

From richard@chonak.com  Wed Jul  2 07:18:16 2014
From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:18:16 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com>

On 07/02/2014 01:46 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 7/1/2014 3:00 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> ???Who in the end was Aereo hurting? ???They were enhancing the
>> viewership of the transmitters .
>
> When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.
>

When you retransmit a message that someone was giving away for free, how
does it hurt them?

--rc


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Wed Jul  2 09:02:45 2014
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:02:45 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>, <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com>
Message-ID: <BAY176-W26418139816564B336B0F0DF060@phx.gbl>

Some people might be moving from OTA to Aereo, but many people who would have watchedon cable might switch also.   If cable companies lose subscribers over this, then they pay less to the broadcasters.
-Bob


> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 07:18:16 -0400
> From: richard@chonak.com
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: OTA re-transmission
> 
> On 07/02/2014 01:46 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> > On 7/1/2014 3:00 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> >
> >> ???Who in the end was Aereo hurting? ???They were enhancing the
> >> viewership of the transmitters .
> >
> > When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.
> >
> 
> When you retransmit a message that someone was giving away for free, how
> does it hurt them?
> 
> --rc
> 
 		 	   		  

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Jul  2 09:46:40 2014
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian T. Vita)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:46:40 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <BAY176-W26418139816564B336B0F0DF060@phx.gbl>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>,
 <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com> <BAY176-W26418139816564B336B0F0DF060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009d01cf95fc$11955410$34bffc30$@cssinc.com>

The interesting paradox is that to get Aereo you need internet access which you get from where?



Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies


Brian Vita
President 
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA 01960-5691 
brian_vita@cssinc.com
Direct: (978)548-4112 

From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob DeMattia
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:03 AM
To: Richard Chonak; Boston Radio Interest Mailing List
Subject: RE: OTA re-transmission

Some people might be moving from OTA to Aereo, but many people who would have watchedon cable might switch also.   If cable companies lose subscribers over this, then they pay less to the broadcasters.
-Bob


> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 07:18:16 -0400
> From: richard@chonak.com
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: OTA re-transmission
> 
> On 07/02/2014 01:46 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> > On 7/1/2014 3:00 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> >
> >> ???Who in the end was Aereo hurting? ???They were enhancing the 
> >> viewership of the transmitters .
> >
> > When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.
> >
> 
> When you retransmit a message that someone was giving away for free, 
> how does it hurt them?
> 
> --rc
> 
 		 	   		  



From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Wed Jul  2 08:42:09 2014
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 08:42:09 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com> <53B3EA78.9070605@chonak.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140702082359.03e77808@plymouthcolony.net>

At 07:18 AM 7/2/2014, Richard Chonak wrote:

>When you retransmit a message that someone was giving away for free, how does it hurt them?

I have a number of original PDF files on my site for genealogical researchers, and the site is free. A number of commercial sites, known as scrapers, have grabbed my files and posted them on their sites. Their goal is to get those files listed in the search engines higher than the listing on my site, attracting eyeballs to their site rather than mine, and profiting from the advertising that they sell. That hurts me in three ways.

1) Copyright laws protect me, and notice of copyright, notice concerning my ban on redistribution, and notice of the fee that I charge for the use of my files by a commercial site, are given on those pages. The unauthorized use of my files by a scraper violates my right to control my intellectual property. Some of those files have required very many hours of work spread out over a decade or more. Under US copyright law the scrapers have no right to use them without my permission.

2) They are profiting from my work without paying me the rate stated on the pages that hold those files. That hurts me financially as my site costs money to put online and they are not compensating me for their use of and profit from my work.

3) Those files are enlarged and corrected regularly. Someone who gets one of my files from a scraper site often gets a version that is months out of date and may have uncorrected errors. That is a disservice to the visitor, but the scrapers care nothing about the content, only about their profit. I have learned about some scraper sites from people who ask about my "out of date" file (one of my email addresses is given in each file).

Is this much different than what Aereo was doing?

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Jul  2 09:44:43 2014
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian T. Vita)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:44:43 -0400
Subject: Stop sets: the "2-Minute Promise"
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1407020703550.20737@python>
References: <0B03429B12454F68898ED16C8A4AEC1A@HomePC>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1407020703550.20737@python>
Message-ID: <009801cf95fb$cbc4dc80$634e9580$@cssinc.com>

Of course, if they're not able to sell the complete blocks and end up
filling them with PSA's its costing them money not to do this.  Listeners
p'od by long stop sets and the embarrassment of long stop sets with PSAs.
Not sure if this is the case here but it does happen.



Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies


Brian Vita
President 
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA 01960-5691 
brian_vita@cssinc.com
Direct: (978)548-4112 
 
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014, Glenn Spatola wrote:

> There was a discussion on the list not too long ago about the length 
> of stop sets, pros and cons of longer vs shorter commercial breaks...  
> I just found a very interesting blog piece about an AA station here in 
> the Seattle area that has made a "2-Minute Promise" to its listeners.
> Perhaps it will spur more discussion. 
> http://jacobsmediablog.com/2014/06/26/spotless-in-seattle/

The biggest challenge is going to be convincing advertisers to pay higher
rates. Cutting the inventory by 50% means one has to get double one's
previous average rate in order to achieve the same revenue.

I suspect this is the main stumbling block to most stations considering this
approach, particularly when their owners are burdened by big debts, as many
of them are.

Will Entercom try this in Boston?


Rob


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Jul  2 17:18:25 2014
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:18:25 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <21428.30497.356452.564723@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 01:46:47 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.

And that's where the analogy between physical property and
intellectual "property" breaks down, as Richard Stallman could
explain.

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Jul  2 18:30:47 2014
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:30:47 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8MPQjY8T0JmsSKzsb4YsM83WkmBhVSwjWpz3m+keTC6aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
 <21428.30497.356452.564723@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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Message-ID: <21428.34839.912053.629342@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:28:26 -0400, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@gmail.com> said:

> People were saying Aereo was no different than putting up rabbit ears or a
> roof antenna.

No.

What people (and Aereo) were saying was that Aereo was renting
equipment (an antenna and a DVR) to its customers, not providing a
video distribution service.

The Supreme Court majority thought that this didn't matter; they know
a cable company when they see one, and Aereo was a cable company.

-GAWollman


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 17:28:26 2014
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:28:26 -0400
Subject: OTA re-transmission
In-Reply-To: <21428.30497.356452.564723@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <CABnTNsNDHkADqRG9HqW6B8_db5ShEF5FOjM+kai3ko-wuzxJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <53B39CC7.9090402@attorneyross.com>
 <21428.30497.356452.564723@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8MPQjY8T0JmsSKzsb4YsM83WkmBhVSwjWpz3m+keTC6aw@mail.gmail.com>

People were saying Aereo was no different than putting up rabbit ears or a
roof antenna.
There is a difference. If I do that, I get signals via the antenna, simple
as that. Aereo
required that you pay them to get re-tranmission, much like cable or
satellite.

If I have a basic AM-FM radio in my car, I get AM, FM, and maybe HD if HD
is in it.
If I have an XM or Sirius satellite radio, I can only get reception if I
pay them. If I cancel
my XM subscription,the XM radio is useless. People were paying Aereo for
service,
not just using an antenna.




On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
wrote:

> <<On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 01:46:47 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
> said:
>
> > When you take someone's property and don't pay for it, you hurt them.
>
> And that's where the analogy between physical property and
> intellectual "property" breaks down, as Richard Stallman could
> explain.
>
> -GAWollman
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 03:38:19 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 03:38:19 -0400
Subject: ATTN - Bob Bittner - If WMEX(LP) Rochester NH can stream, why not you?
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPBNQvkbU=Xgruch6wE2ne3SXL=B3bQtuTQE3wo+Y7GTA@mail.gmail.com>

I have no clear understanding on how steaming license fees work but if the
new WMEX(LP) in New Hampshire can do it with Tune In, how expensive can it
be?


http://tunein.com/radio/WMEX-1059-s136160/



I am really confused on how this works.

From Jibguy@aol.com  Thu Jul  3 04:26:35 2014
From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 04:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ATTN - Bob Bittner - If WMEX(LP) Rochester NH can stream,
 why not you?
Message-ID: <83870.2b1db67a.40e66dbb@aol.com>

WMEX-LP is a non-profit org.  All LP's are.  And royalties  difference 
between profits and non-profits are immense.
 
 
In a message dated 7/3/2014 3:41:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kvahey@gmail.com writes:

I have  no clear understanding on how steaming license fees work but if the
new  WMEX(LP) in New Hampshire can do it with Tune In, how expensive can  it
be?


http://tunein.com/radio/WMEX-1059-s136160/



I  am really confused on how this  works.


From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Sat Jul  5 11:53:21 2014
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 08:53:21 -0700
Subject: FM translators when AM parent station is off the air
Message-ID: <1404575601.52290.YahooMailNeo@web125205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have a question for the group - if you have an FM translator that repeats an AM primary station, is there any sort of rules about the translator shutting down if the parent station is off the air?? Yesterday I tried sampling the new 'Mix' format on WAIX (AM 1160 Mechanicville NY, with FM translator on 106.1) and was surprised to find that AM 1160 was off the air but the FM translator was not.? I just checked again this morning, and the same scenario holds true (AM off the air, FM on the air).? Isn't there a rule on the books where, if a primary stations goes off the air, any translators must shut down also?

Matthew Osborne
Rotterdam, NY

From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com  Sat Jul  5 11:47:29 2014
From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 08:47:29 -0700
Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
Message-ID: <1404575249.23821.YahooMailNeo@web125201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yesterday my wife and stopped by the Fourth of July carnival/fireworks in Clifton Park NY (15 miles north of Albany) and I was shocked to see a van for Radio Disney AM 1460 doing an appearance there.? To clarify for those of you outside the Capital District of NY, Radio Disney shut down and sold off AM 1460 (formerly WDDY, now WOPG Albany) in January of this year.? It has carried a Catholic religious format since...

Does anyone know why Disney even bothers doing remote appearances like this in places where it doesn't even have a local affiliate?? I know of another instance of them doing an appearance like this; they were at the Lilac Festival in Rochester NY a year or two ago, and Rochester has never had a local Radio Disney affiliate.? I talked to one of the promotions assistants working the event, and they told me they had been sent up from New York City for yesterday's event.? Is this a case of the event being booked and reserved before the local shutdown/sale, or does Disney have some other marketing plan at work here?? Sending people up and back from NYC for something like this cannot be cheap...

Matthew Osborne
Rotterdam, NY

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 21:27:04 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:27:04 -0400
Subject: Radio Disney
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOQ10ZtTa4tVdHPyT3pTm354XQj38+8roxtcJ1mad7wcw@mail.gmail.com>

Disney seems quite happy with only owning stations in the top markets and
serving the rest of the US via satellite and internet.

It is a loss leader for them with the goal of having the parents taking the
kidlets to Orlando or Anaheim.


On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Matthew Osborne via Boston-Radio-Interest <
boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> wrote:

>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Osborne <mattosborne1976@yahoo.com>
> To: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 08:47:29 -0700
> Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
> Yesterday my wife and stopped by the Fourth of July carnival/fireworks in
> Clifton Park NY (15 miles north of Albany) and I was shocked to see a van
> for Radio Disney AM 1460 doing an appearance there.  To clarify for those
> of you outside the Capital District of NY, Radio Disney shut down and sold
> off AM 1460 (formerly WDDY, now WOPG Albany) in January of this year.  It
> has carried a Catholic religious format since...
>
> Does anyone know why Disney even bothers doing remote appearances like
> this in places where it doesn't even have a local affiliate?  I know of
> another instance of them doing an appearance like this; they were at the
> Lilac Festival in Rochester NY a year or two ago, and Rochester has never
> had a local Radio Disney affiliate.  I talked to one of the promotions
> assistants working the event, and they told me they had been sent up from
> New York City for yesterday's event.  Is this a case of the event being
> booked and reserved before the local shutdown/sale, or does Disney have
> some other marketing plan at work here?  Sending people up and back from
> NYC for something like this cannot be cheap...
>
> Matthew Osborne
> Rotterdam, NY
>
>

From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Sat Jul  5 21:16:15 2014
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:16:15 -0400
Subject: FM translators when AM parent station is off the air
In-Reply-To: <1404575601.52290.YahooMailNeo@web125205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
 >
References: <1404575601.52290.YahooMailNeo@web125205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140705211033.03d19bc8@plymouthcolony.net>

At 11:53 AM 7/5/2014, Matthew Osborne wrote:

>Isn't there a rule on the books where, if a primary stations goes off the air, any translators must shut down also?

There is, but for classes other than D the wording is a bit vague. 74.1263 (b) states "An FM booster or FM translator station rebroadcasting the signal of an AM or FM primary station shall not be permitted to radiate during extended periods when signals of the primary station are not being retransmitted. Notwithstanding the foregoing, FM translators rebroadcasting Class D AM stations may continue to operate during nighttime hours only if the AM station has operated within the last 24 hours."

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From madprof@fairpoint.net  Sun Jul  6 11:57:01 2014
From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Scott - RadioWorld cover
Message-ID: <63114.137.118.58.10.1404662221.squirrel@web-mail.fairpoint.net>

  Scott, congrats.... for the 7-02-14 RadioWorld issue using
your photo of the WMDB 1470, Peroia, IL array as the cover photo!
  This is a great example of how wide your readership / knowledge
base extends, and how respected your photos are.
Keep up the -always- great work!

Bob Sutherland


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jul  8 20:32:35 2014
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:32:35 -0700
Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
In-Reply-To: <mailman.654.1404601972.1152.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.654.1404601972.1152.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <1404865955.97416.YahooMailNeo@web126202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Can you pick up radio disney from NYC there?? on AM 1560?

Also, I am pretty sure they weren't doing a remote broadcast...just an "appearance".? We would assume this is something that occurs at the sales level.? We can never understand all the deals that the sales department makes to make a deal.? 


You buy this, give us some tickets, we'll send the van wherever, and we'll give you free spots on our crappy station.? 





________________________________
 From: Matthew Osborne via Boston-Radio-Interest <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
To: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> 
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:13 PM
Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
 

Yesterday my wife and stopped by the Fourth of July carnival/fireworks in Clifton Park NY (15 miles north of Albany) and I was shocked to see a van for Radio Disney AM 1460 doing an appearance there.? To clarify for those of you outside the Capital District of NY, Radio Disney shut down and sold off AM 1460 (formerly WDDY, now WOPG Albany) in January of this year.? It has carried a Catholic religious format since...

Does anyone know why Disney even bothers doing remote appearances like this in places where it doesn't even have a local affiliate?? I know of another instance of them doing an appearance like this; they were at the Lilac Festival in Rochester NY a year or two ago, and Rochester has never had a local Radio Disney affiliate.? I talked to one of the promotions assistants working the event, and they told me they had been sent up from New York City for yesterday's event.? Is this a case of the event being booked and reserved before the local shutdown/sale, or does Disney have some other marketing plan at work here?? Sending people up and back from NYC for something like this cannot be cheap...

Matthew Osborne
Rotterdam, NY

From map@mapinternet.com  Thu Jul 10 13:46:40 2014
From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:46:40 -0400
Subject: WDRC-FM
Message-ID: <7753441DEC9B43A9A331F7AE13F1DD48@laptop>

With Conneisseur Media's purchase of the Buckley stations in Connecticut, 
things have really changed at WDRC-FM 102.9. Although it is difficult to get 
extremely reliable listenership reports, those available (combined with 
historic data as it relates to adjoining markets where WDRC-FM was formerly 
listed) show that WDRC-FM has consistently been in the 5-7 share range in 
not only the Hartford market, but also in adjoining New Haven and 
Springfield, MA markets where WDRC-FM has a city-grade or near city-grade 
signal. (Note that if the markets in this area were defined similar to the 
Boston market, and many other areas of the country, Hartford-Springfield-New 
Haven might actually be one market.)

The new owners have changed the format from a very successful 
broad-based/chart-based Classic Hits of the late 60's through early 90's to 
a limited rock-only-based Classic Hits of the 70's through early 90's.  The 
only complaint I've heard about the recent Buckley format was that it seemed 
to some listeners to lean a bit too much toward the disco hits. But, despite 
this, the ratings for the past couple of years showed steady listenership. 
Now, listeners are without a real broad-based Classic Hits station in the 
Hartford and adjoining markets of New Haven and Springfield, MA. The new, 
Conneisseur formatted WDRC 102.9 and competitors WPLR 99.1 (New Haven), WHCN 
105.9 (Hartford), and WAQY 102.1 (Springfield, MA) are almost 
indistinguishable. To add to the competition, 3 more stations WCCC 106.9 
(Hartford), WRCH 100.5(Hartford) and WRKI 95.1 (Brookfield, CT) compete for 
the "Classic" listeners also. With the exception of WRCH, all of the 
pre-mentioned stations competed on a much, much lesser scale with WDRC-FM's 
pre July 6 format.

Conneisseur's spokesperson claimed that the Hartford market had a "hole" for 
a classic hits based station. With very similiar versions of that type of 
that classic hits format already in existence on stations  WPLR, WHCN and 
WAQY, (that each cover the majority of the market and duplicate each other), 
the new WDRC format does not fill any hole. Now, a real "hole" exists where 
the pre-July 6, 2014 WDRC-FM format once existed. Listening to WDRC-FM 
before and after the format change, the listener would be hard pressed to 
find more than 10% of the pre-July 6 songs in the new format. So, using some 
twisted math for entertainment purposes here, (I just can't help it-ha!) 
maybe 90% of the listeners will go elsewhere.

But, seriously, it's really hard to figure from both a sales/financial and 
listener viewpoint why Buckley's unduplicated WDRC-FM format was so changed 
to one already over-duplicated in the Hartford market, and why it wasn't 
just fine tuned a bit. Hopefully the Conneisseur folks will take a hard look 
at the format, the competition, (some of which is their own!), listenership 
figures and demographics as they relate to sales, and also appreciate the 
historical lesson of WCBS-FM's 2005-07 change to an unsuccessful "Jack FM", 
then back to a successful WCBS-FM.

Mark Casey
Hampden, MA
K1MAP




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From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 07:50:27 2014
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:50:27 -0400
Subject: Channel brands & VHF-UHF
Message-ID: <CAJht-8MEFmXLhjeoNK=7=-YodHj-98Qixi9GPCx08r-XN=kjPw@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen another case of a TV station mentioning its cable "channel
number"; I'd talked about how WVNY 22 in Plattsburgh/Burlington would say
"Cable 4". Now I saw a promo for "The CW 56" (Boston)  and it said "Comcast
12/808" as well. Latter refers to the HD signal I believe.

From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 11 17:05:49 2014
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:05:49 -0700
Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
Message-ID: <1405112749.82506.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I was surprised to see Boston's Radio Disney making an appearance at a Big Y grand opening in Cheshire, CT (approx 17 miles north of New Haven) last month.? They had Radio Disney Boston and AM 1260 banners. 


I took this picture with a cell phone - http://bill1820.com/radio/radiodisney-boston.jpg

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 04:34:59 2014
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:34:59 -0400
Subject: Radio Disney and remote appearances
In-Reply-To: <1405112749.82506.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1405112749.82506.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8NuwF73AFd2KYoJJZG1X1uqxVyYxom__O3FJh8oaHkXzw@mail.gmail.com>

These days signal range may not matter...thanks to streaming on the Web and
smartphones. Yes, strange, though--one would think the AM 1560 in NYC would
be there instead.


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> I was surprised to see Boston's Radio Disney making an appearance at a Big
> Y grand opening in Cheshire, CT (approx 17 miles north of New Haven) last
> month.  They had Radio Disney Boston and AM 1260 banners.
>
>
> I took this picture with a cell phone -
> http://bill1820.com/radio/radiodisney-boston.jpg
>

From jimmotyl@gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 15:41:39 2014
From: jimmotyl@gmail.com (Jim Motyl)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:41:39 -0400
Subject: WDRC-FM
In-Reply-To: <7753441DEC9B43A9A331F7AE13F1DD48@laptop>
References: <7753441DEC9B43A9A331F7AE13F1DD48@laptop>
Message-ID: <CAD0VffODS2E8+rvpzdBRZbXMRXcE+tCSGqqfQLZJFkpJsS8AQA@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone got excited about the WODS flip; just to discover it was moved to
103.3 HD-2. The old DRC-FM is still on 102.9 HD-2. One of the live oldies
station is still WLNG on line and with a very sharp web camera.
Since everyone has access to the internet, there is very little reason to
rely on 'regular' 20th century radio waves.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM, M.Casey <map@mapinternet.com> wrote:

> With Conneisseur Media's purchase of the Buckley stations in Connecticut,
> things have really changed at WDRC-FM 102.9. Although it is difficult to
> get extremely reliable listenership reports, those available (combined with
> historic data as it relates to adjoining markets where WDRC-FM was formerly
> listed) show that WDRC-FM has consistently been in the 5-7 share range in
> not only the Hartford market, but also in adjoining New Haven and
> Springfield, MA markets where WDRC-FM has a city-grade or near city-grade
> signal. (Note that if the markets in this area were defined similar to the
> Boston market, and many other areas of the country,
> Hartford-Springfield-New Haven might actually be one market.)
>
> The new owners have changed the format from a very successful
> broad-based/chart-based Classic Hits of the late 60's through early 90's to
> a limited rock-only-based Classic Hits of the 70's through early 90's.  The
> only complaint I've heard about the recent Buckley format was that it
> seemed to some listeners to lean a bit too much toward the disco hits. But,
> despite this, the ratings for the past couple of years showed steady
> listenership. Now, listeners are without a real broad-based Classic Hits
> station in the Hartford and adjoining markets of New Haven and Springfield,
> MA. The new, Conneisseur formatted WDRC 102.9 and competitors WPLR 99.1
> (New Haven), WHCN 105.9 (Hartford), and WAQY 102.1 (Springfield, MA) are
> almost indistinguishable. To add to the competition, 3 more stations WCCC
> 106.9 (Hartford), WRCH 100.5(Hartford) and WRKI 95.1 (Brookfield, CT)
> compete for the "Classic" listeners also. With the exception of WRCH, all
> of the pre-mentioned stations competed on a much, much lesser scale with
> WDRC-FM's pre July 6 format.
>
> Conneisseur's spokesperson claimed that the Hartford market had a "hole"
> for a classic hits based station. With very similiar versions of that type
> of that classic hits format already in existence on stations  WPLR, WHCN
> and WAQY, (that each cover the majority of the market and duplicate each
> other), the new WDRC format does not fill any hole. Now, a real "hole"
> exists where the pre-July 6, 2014 WDRC-FM format once existed. Listening to
> WDRC-FM before and after the format change, the listener would be hard
> pressed to find more than 10% of the pre-July 6 songs in the new format.
> So, using some twisted math for entertainment purposes here, (I just can't
> help it-ha!) maybe 90% of the listeners will go elsewhere.
>
> But, seriously, it's really hard to figure from both a sales/financial and
> listener viewpoint why Buckley's unduplicated WDRC-FM format was so changed
> to one already over-duplicated in the Hartford market, and why it wasn't
> just fine tuned a bit. Hopefully the Conneisseur folks will take a hard
> look at the format, the competition, (some of which is their own!),
> listenership figures and demographics as they relate to sales, and also
> appreciate the historical lesson of WCBS-FM's 2005-07 change to an
> unsuccessful "Jack FM", then back to a successful WCBS-FM.
>
> Mark Casey
> Hampden, MA
> K1MAP
>
>
>
>
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From map@mapinternet.com  Wed Jul 16 13:27:59 2014
From: map@mapinternet.com (M.Casey)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:27:59 -0400
Subject: Fw: WDRC-FM--WODS
Message-ID: <0ED737889824479C9B69121A4512F849@laptop>

Unlike WODS Classic Hits, WDRC-FM did not move to ?2.
The WDRC-FM-1 that existed prior to July 6 is Gone. 
The version on ?2 is a 50?s & 60?s version that has been there for a few years now and, it appears from recent sampling, that the new owners have not changed it.

The WODS-HD2 Classic Hits stream is available on line, but only through the MIX 104.1 site. If you go to the CBS Boston/WBZ/Amp radio, etc, site, you won?t see WODS-HD2 listed there.

The costly and limited internet feeds are unreliable and even the most connected internet users have limited internet access. Until the internet provides a free, reliable feed to car radios on the move, portable radios and all the radios around the house there is a big reason to use radio waves. A 20 year old Super radio and a 40 year old Pioneer receiver will sit there and play for years without shutting down.
Radio is a practical low cost listening device, is reliable, has easy connectivity to get a loud, high quality sound and is usable most anywhere. The internet shares little of the aforementioned advantages. At the current rate of internet mobility, reliability and advancement, we will be listening to our Broadcast radios for many years.

Mark Casey

From: Jim Motyl 
Subject: Re: WDRC-FM

Everyone got excited about the WODS flip; just to discover it was moved to 103.3 HD-2. The old DRC-FM is still on 102.9 HD-2. One of the live oldies station is still WLNG on line and with a very sharp web camera. 
Since everyone has access to the internet, there is very little reason to rely on 'regular' 20th century radio waves.

 


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From john@pcsupportsolutions.com  Tue Jul 15 23:02:47 2014
From: john@pcsupportsolutions.com (John Allen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:02:47 -0400
Subject: WDRC-FM
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VffODS2E8+rvpzdBRZbXMRXcE+tCSGqqfQLZJFkpJsS8AQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7753441DEC9B43A9A331F7AE13F1DD48@laptop>
 <CAD0VffODS2E8+rvpzdBRZbXMRXcE+tCSGqqfQLZJFkpJsS8AQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18c201cfa0a2$6cb4fb60$461ef220$@pcsupportsolutions.com>

Hi - Um I don't have an internet or satellite radio in my (old) car.  I will miss the old WDRC.

Regards, John 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Boston-Radio-Interest [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Motyl
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 3:42 PM
To: M.Casey
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: WDRC-FM

Everyone got excited about the WODS flip; just to discover it was moved to
103.3 HD-2. The old DRC-FM is still on 102.9 HD-2. One of the live oldies station is still WLNG on line and with a very sharp web camera.
Since everyone has access to the internet, there is very little reason to rely on 'regular' 20th century radio waves.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM, M.Casey <map@mapinternet.com> wrote:

> With Conneisseur Media's purchase of the Buckley stations in 
> Connecticut, things have really changed at WDRC-FM 102.9. Although it 
> is difficult to get extremely reliable listenership reports, those 
> available (combined with historic data as it relates to adjoining 
> markets where WDRC-FM was formerly
> listed) show that WDRC-FM has consistently been in the 5-7 share range 
> in not only the Hartford market, but also in adjoining New Haven and 
> Springfield, MA markets where WDRC-FM has a city-grade or near 
> city-grade signal. (Note that if the markets in this area were defined 
> similar to the Boston market, and many other areas of the country, 
> Hartford-Springfield-New Haven might actually be one market.)
>
> The new owners have changed the format from a very successful 
> broad-based/chart-based Classic Hits of the late 60's through early 
> 90's to a limited rock-only-based Classic Hits of the 70's through 
> early 90's.  The only complaint I've heard about the recent Buckley 
> format was that it seemed to some listeners to lean a bit too much 
> toward the disco hits. But, despite this, the ratings for the past 
> couple of years showed steady listenership. Now, listeners are without 
> a real broad-based Classic Hits station in the Hartford and adjoining 
> markets of New Haven and Springfield, MA. The new, Conneisseur 
> formatted WDRC 102.9 and competitors WPLR 99.1 (New Haven), WHCN 105.9 
> (Hartford), and WAQY 102.1 (Springfield, MA) are almost 
> indistinguishable. To add to the competition, 3 more stations WCCC
> 106.9 (Hartford), WRCH 100.5(Hartford) and WRKI 95.1 (Brookfield, CT) 
> compete for the "Classic" listeners also. With the exception of WRCH, 
> all of the pre-mentioned stations competed on a much, much lesser 
> scale with WDRC-FM's pre July 6 format.
>
> Conneisseur's spokesperson claimed that the Hartford market had a "hole"
> for a classic hits based station. With very similiar versions of that 
> type of that classic hits format already in existence on stations  
> WPLR, WHCN and WAQY, (that each cover the majority of the market and 
> duplicate each other), the new WDRC format does not fill any hole. Now, a real "hole"
> exists where the pre-July 6, 2014 WDRC-FM format once existed. 
> Listening to WDRC-FM before and after the format change, the listener 
> would be hard pressed to find more than 10% of the pre-July 6 songs in the new format.
> So, using some twisted math for entertainment purposes here, (I just 
> can't help it-ha!) maybe 90% of the listeners will go elsewhere.
>
> But, seriously, it's really hard to figure from both a sales/financial 
> and listener viewpoint why Buckley's unduplicated WDRC-FM format was 
> so changed to one already over-duplicated in the Hartford market, and 
> why it wasn't just fine tuned a bit. Hopefully the Conneisseur folks 
> will take a hard look at the format, the competition, (some of which 
> is their own!), listenership figures and demographics as they relate 
> to sales, and also appreciate the historical lesson of WCBS-FM's 
> 2005-07 change to an unsuccessful "Jack FM", then back to a successful WCBS-FM.
>
> Mark Casey
> Hampden, MA
> K1MAP
>
>
>
>
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 15:42:33 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:42:33 -0400
Subject: Fw: WDRC-FM--WODS
In-Reply-To: <0ED737889824479C9B69121A4512F849@laptop>
References: <0ED737889824479C9B69121A4512F849@laptop>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPNjGd50w96w_L+zNEUd5VVneXrUuPdeDDRxUoCr94n7g@mail.gmail.com>

I use Tunein and WODS HD2 lives there

http://tunein.com/radio/1033-WODS-HD-2-s98342/


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM, M.Casey <map@mapinternet.com> wrote:

> Unlike WODS Classic Hits, WDRC-FM did not move to ?2.
> The WDRC-FM-1 that existed prior to July 6 is Gone.
> The version on ?2 is a 50?s & 60?s version that has been there for a few
> years now and, it appears from recent sampling, that the new owners have
> not changed it.
>
> The WODS-HD2 Classic Hits stream is available on line, but only through
> the MIX 104.1 site. If you go to the CBS Boston/WBZ/Amp radio, etc, site,
> you won?t see WODS-HD2 listed there.
>
> The costly and limited internet feeds are unreliable and even the most
> connected internet users have limited internet access. Until the internet
> provides a free, reliable feed to car radios on the move, portable radios
> and all the radios around the house there is a big reason to use radio
> waves. A 20 year old Super radio and a 40 year old Pioneer receiver will
> sit there and play for years without shutting down.
> Radio is a practical low cost listening device, is reliable, has easy
> connectivity to get a loud, high quality sound and is usable most anywhere.
> The internet shares little of the aforementioned advantages. At the current
> rate of internet mobility, reliability and advancement, we will be
> listening to our Broadcast radios for many years.
>
> Mark Casey
>
> From: Jim Motyl
> Subject: Re: WDRC-FM
>
> Everyone got excited about the WODS flip; just to discover it was moved to
> 103.3 HD-2. The old DRC-FM is still on 102.9 HD-2. One of the live oldies
> station is still WLNG on line and with a very sharp web camera.
> Since everyone has access to the internet, there is very little reason to
> rely on 'regular' 20th century radio waves.
>
>
>
>
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From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Jul 18 00:08:54 2014
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:08:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: WDRC-FM
Message-ID: <28325567.1405656534456.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:02:47 -0400
>From: "John Allen" <john@pcsupportsolutions.com>
>To: "'Jim Motyl'" <jimmotyl@gmail.com>, "'M.Casey'"
>	<map@mapinternet.com>
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
>Subject: RE: WDRC-FM
>
>Hi - Um I don't have an internet or satellite radio 
>in my (old) car.  I will miss the old WDRC.

The old ('50s/'60s oldies format) WDRC is not on 
satellite radio, it's on HD radio, a free local 
digital secondary signal encoded into the signal 
of the local parent radio station (WDRC-FM). It 
requires an HD radio (not a satellite radio) to 
hear it. HD radio is free (no monthly fee) after 
the purchase of the radio because it's from local 
stations, not a subscription satellite signal.

EP






From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 09:34:42 2014
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:42 -0400
Subject: WDRC-FM
In-Reply-To: <28325567.1405656534456.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28325567.1405656534456.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8Ogo_Sa+eX2hSr-Pis09ZmJ1R5+7zc7s=gj=yPj56w0Pg@mail.gmail.com>

HD radio can also be received via some smartphone apps like TuneIn (Irish
96.9,
Radio Mojo, Free Form WBCN, The Bone etc.) and also via station
websites.(for example under "Music" on the WKLB site, one can find the
stream for "The Wolf").

While in the Pittsburgh area a few weeks ago, I had a rental car with HD in
it. In some cases even HD-4s would come in.


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:02:47 -0400
> >From: "John Allen" <john@pcsupportsolutions.com>
> >To: "'Jim Motyl'" <jimmotyl@gmail.com>, "'M.Casey'"
> >       <map@mapinternet.com>
> >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
> >Subject: RE: WDRC-FM
> >
> >Hi - Um I don't have an internet or satellite radio
> >in my (old) car.  I will miss the old WDRC.
>
> The old ('50s/'60s oldies format) WDRC is not on
> satellite radio, it's on HD radio, a free local
> digital secondary signal encoded into the signal
> of the local parent radio station (WDRC-FM). It
> requires an HD radio (not a satellite radio) to
> hear it. HD radio is free (no monthly fee) after
> the purchase of the radio because it's from local
> stations, not a subscription satellite signal.
>
> EP
>
>
>
>
>
>

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Jul 18 13:10:07 2014
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:10:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: WDRC-FM
Message-ID: <6824158.1405703407627.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:42 -0400
>From: Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@gmail.com>
>To: Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net>
>Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
>Subject: Re: WDRC-FM
>
>While in the Pittsburgh area a few weeks ago, I had 
>a rental car with HD in it. In some cases even HD-4s 
>would come in.

I don't think any Boston area stations are currently 
running HD4 channels. WBMX 104.1 tried it for a while 
a few years ago with CBS's "new age" talk channel "Sky 
Radio" (formerly "Psychic Radio"), but discontinued it.

The reception was very poor, even when the HD1, HD2 and 
HD3 channels were strong and steady, some of my HD radios 
skipped over the HD4 like it didn't exist, and on the ones
that got it, it was usually coming in either all broken up 
or all chopped up, or maybe even both at once.

EP




From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 21:52:55 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:52:55 -0400
Subject: Fox Pulls Ads From All Entercom Stations
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPrNsUx5LiUC6eSy-twmqz8xhQq_UbjXrqaAfsF5Skb5A@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/25/fox-pulls-all-advertising-weei-parent-company-entercom/WpPEiZSjqvqHAfjk9XuLpK/story.html


We have most likely heard the last from Kirk Minihane as it now has
cost Entercom a lot of money in ad revenue. His original comments were
bad enough but to follow up on the topic this week was insanely stupid
on his part.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul 26 01:17:47 2014
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:17:47 -0400
Subject: Fox Pulls Ads From All Entercom Stations
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsPrNsUx5LiUC6eSy-twmqz8xhQq_UbjXrqaAfsF5Skb5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABnTNsPrNsUx5LiUC6eSy-twmqz8xhQq_UbjXrqaAfsF5Skb5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53D339FB.90901@attorneyross.com>

On 7/25/2014 9:52 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/25/fox-pulls-all-advertising-weei-parent-company-entercom/WpPEiZSjqvqHAfjk9XuLpK/story.html
>
>
> We have most likely heard the last from Kirk Minihane as it now has
> cost Entercom a lot of money in ad revenue. His original comments were
> bad enough but to follow up on the topic this week was insanely stupid
> on his part.
>

Well, so far it's just a one-week suspension.  We'll see what happens 
next.  It seems a bit much for Entercom to say that Minihane's remarks 
didn't comply with Entercom's standards only AFTER Fox withdrew its 
advertizing.  That suggests that Entercom has no standards of good taste 
unless it hits them in the pocketbook.

It should also be noted that, so long as Minihane was criticizing 
Andrews for a softball interview, there was no problem.  It's when he 
degenerated into sexist innuendo that he crossed the line.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com


From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Jul 30 15:34:56 2014
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:34:56 -0400
Subject: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away.........
Message-ID: <014e01cfac2d$5838d8a0$08aa89e0$@garysicecream.com>

One of the most recognizable voices in local radio has been silenced.

WBSM's Jack Peterson passed away Tuesday evening at Hathaway Manor in New
Bedford at the age of 70 after a brief battle with pancreatic cancer.

For over 50 years, Jack, whose real name was Joel Polonsky, broadcast
throughout Massachusetts, beginning his career as a disc jockey at WLLH in
Lowell, and shifting to WNBH in 1980. It was there he earned the nickname
"Captain Jack", serving as a morning show host for a number of years along
with his wife, "First Mate" Lynne.



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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 21:23:57 2014
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:23:57 -0700
Subject: 98.5 The Sports Hub Heard In Hartford!
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1+d74QFihsJ9OXET8V+-u6bSJ+m1Cx-GJZhrZCLvnLsw@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently this just launched on Monday, it's on WRCH 100.5 HD3

http://wrch.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/wrch-adds-wrch-hd-3-the-sports-hub/

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 22:42:08 2014
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:42:08 -0700
Subject: 98.5 The Sports Hub Heard In Hartford!
In-Reply-To: <003f01cfac68$80172350$804569f0$@net>
References: <CADC3Yg1+d74QFihsJ9OXET8V+-u6bSJ+m1Cx-GJZhrZCLvnLsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <003f01cfac68$80172350$804569f0$@net>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1Q_-Z0nMCO4ZV56Uda3fwDopE_YVkuT8NMAFi0s43K4A@mail.gmail.com>

Show how little I follow or care about sports.. LOL


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Subject: 98.5 The Sports Hub Heard In Hartford!
> >
> > Apparently this just launched on Monday, it's on WRCH 100.5 HD3
> >
> > http://wrch.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/wrch-adds-wrch-hd-3-the-sports-hub/
>
> It was previously on 96.5 WTIC-HD3 for the past few years, so nothing new
> to Hartford. Wonder what is on there now.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Jul 30 22:38:23 2014
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:38:23 -0400
Subject: 98.5 The Sports Hub Heard In Hartford!
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg1+d74QFihsJ9OXET8V+-u6bSJ+m1Cx-GJZhrZCLvnLsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADC3Yg1+d74QFihsJ9OXET8V+-u6bSJ+m1Cx-GJZhrZCLvnLsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01cfac68$80172350$804569f0$@net>

> Subject: 98.5 The Sports Hub Heard In Hartford!
> 
> Apparently this just launched on Monday, it's on WRCH 100.5 HD3
> 
> http://wrch.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/wrch-adds-wrch-hd-3-the-sports-hub/

It was previously on 96.5 WTIC-HD3 for the past few years, so nothing new to Hartford. Wonder what is on there now.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA



From gspatola@q.com  Thu Jul 31 15:03:02 2014
From: gspatola@q.com (Glenn Spatola)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:03:02 -0700
Subject: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1406822400.79275.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.1.1406822400.79275.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <521B5F3B6EE74198AE9183B469551C05@HomePC>

This is sad news indeed.  I remember Jack doing mornings at WLLH in the 
early to mid 1970s during its top 40 days.  "Whacky Jackie" was a talented, 
down-to-earth and consistently entertaining personality.  He always came 
across as being jolly and happy.  Dave Bailey did the 7 to midnight shift at 
that time, and Chris Vaniotis worked weekends.  That was just after the Tom 
Clayton days.


Glenn Spatola



> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:34:56 -0400
> From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
> To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Subject: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away.........
> Message-ID: <014e01cfac2d$5838d8a0$08aa89e0$@garysicecream.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> One of the most recognizable voices in local radio has been silenced.
>
> WBSM's Jack Peterson passed away Tuesday evening at Hathaway Manor in New
> Bedford at the age of 70 after a brief battle with pancreatic cancer.
>
> For over 50 years, Jack, whose real name was Joel Polonsky, broadcast
> throughout Massachusetts, beginning his career as a disc jockey at WLLH in
> Lowell, and shifting to WNBH in 1980. It was there he earned the nickname
> "Captain Jack", serving as a morning show host for a number of years along
> with his wife, "First Mate" Lynne.
>
>
>
> Read More: WBSM's Jack Peterson Passes Away
> <http://wbsm.com/wbsms-jack-peterson-passes-away/?trackback=fbshare_top&trac
> kback=tsmclip>  |
> http://wbsm.com/wbsms-jack-peterson-passes-away/?trackback=fbshare_top&track
> back=tsmclip


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 16:50:41 2014
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:50:41 -0400
Subject: WCCC-FM Hartford sold
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPDC9-k9r-vG9P1CX=p7kwR=PLrjsDXK8bqfuD9Go4G=w@mail.gmail.com>

WCCC-FM has been sold to a non-profit that plays Christian music and the
air staff has been informed Friday is their last day.

http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/07/wccc_radio_in_hartford_switchi.html

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 21:11:30 2014
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:11:30 -0700
Subject: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away
In-Reply-To: <521B5F3B6EE74198AE9183B469551C05@HomePC>
References: <mailman.1.1406822400.79275.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
 <521B5F3B6EE74198AE9183B469551C05@HomePC>
Message-ID: <1406855490.38448.YahooMailNeo@web126202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

And where is Dave Baily now?


WLLH was a great local Top 40 station.? 



________________________________
 From: Glenn Spatola <gspatola@q.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; gary@garysicecream.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away
 

This is sad news indeed.? I remember Jack doing mornings at WLLH in the 
early to mid 1970s during its top 40 days.? "Whacky Jackie" was a talented, 
down-to-earth and consistently entertaining personality.? He always came 
across as being jolly and happy.? Dave Bailey did the 7 to midnight shift at 
that time, and Chris Vaniotis worked weekends.? That was just after the Tom 
Clayton days.


Glenn Spatola



> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:34:56 -0400
> From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
> To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Subject: Jack Peterson (WBSM, WLLH) has passed away.........
> Message-ID: <014e01cfac2d$5838d8a0$08aa89e0$@garysicecream.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> One of the most recognizable voices in local radio has been silenced.
>
> WBSM's Jack Peterson passed away Tuesday evening at Hathaway Manor in New
> Bedford at the age of 70 after a brief battle with pancreatic cancer.
>
> For over 50 years, Jack, whose real name was Joel Polonsky, broadcast
> throughout Massachusetts, beginning his career as a disc jockey at WLLH in
> Lowell, and shifting to WNBH in 1980. It was there he earned the nickname
> "Captain Jack", serving as a morning show host for a number of years along
> with his wife, "First Mate" Lynne.
>
>
>
> Read More: WBSM's Jack Peterson Passes Away
> <http://wbsm.com/wbsms-jack-peterson-passes-away/?trackback=fbshare_top&trac
> kback=tsmclip>? |
> http://wbsm.com/wbsms-jack-peterson-passes-away/?trackback=fbshare_top&track
> back=tsmclip