From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 1 02:20:09 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 02:20:09 -0500 Subject: RIP Joe Morgan Message-ID: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/31/former-wbz-newsradio-traffic-reporter-joe-morgan-dies/ Joe never became a star like Joe Green before him but he was a reassuring voice for Boston commuters. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 3 13:21:07 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:21:07 -0500 Subject: two things worth noting In-Reply-To: <50CAC225.3030409@attorneyross.com> References: <50C806FA.5050708@attorneyross.com> <50C98548.5050204@attorneyross.com> <1355405465.41030.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CAC225.3030409@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <510EAA93.9030409@donnahalper.com> Thing one: today is the "day the music died," the anniversary of the deaths of Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, and Richie Valens. I was just a kid, and I recall feeling stunned by the news -- whoever imagined that our rock and roll heroes would die so young? Thing two, the Boston Globe (South Edition) remarks on the pending return to the air of Brockton's WXBR: Radio station to return to air By Emily Sweeney, Globe Staff, February 03, 2013 After nearly six months of radio silence, Brockton?s ?WXBR-AM (1460) is poised to make a comeback and return to the airwaves within a matter of weeks, according to the station?s owners. ?Our engineers are working to get the station on,? said Jhonson Napoleon, president of Azure Media LLC, the Miami Gardens, Fla., company that bought the talk radio station from a Connecticut-based firm for $250,000 last year. Many Brocktonians have wondered about the fate of WXBR since Napoleon?s company acquired the station and took it off the air in August. In addition to relocating WXBR?s studios to 250 Belmont St., Napoleon said, Azure Media needed to update and replace the station?s transmitter and equipment. At WXBR?s tower site in West Bridgewater, Napoleon said, company officials encountered something they were not prepared for: Approximately 100 feet of copper plates that ran between the tower and the transmitter went missing. The copper ?was all stolen,? said Napoleon. ?We discovered this December when we installed the new transmitter. . . . It?s something you can?t run the radio station without.? rest of article is here: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/south/2013/02/03/brockton-wxbr-return-airwaves-within-weeks-owner-says/IPV3OfIBdjnyvLhFdCmQhK/story.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 3 16:26:19 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:26:19 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ Only NOW At Full Power? References: <20130129194318.49550@gmx.com> Message-ID: <0FA3855325BD4CEA895934F1431C9D18@PC281321418224> Doesn't WROR 105.7 transmit from the Pru--and hasn't it done so for at least a decade--or however long most if not all of Greater Media's five Boston-area FMs have transmitted form a multiplexed antenna atop the Pru? But WROR may not use the multiplexed antenna, even if it does transmit from the Pru. If memory serves, WROR is slightly directional, which would necessitate its having its own antenna. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Is WBOQ Only NOW At Full Power? Now, today (Tuesday, 01/28) the signal is noticeably stronger than it has been, about equal to WBMX-FM 104.1 and WROR-FM 105.7 running 50K-equivalent from Boston and route 128 respectively. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Feb 3 17:53:41 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:53:41 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ Only NOW At Full Power? In-Reply-To: <0FA3855325BD4CEA895934F1431C9D18@PC281321418224> References: <20130129194318.49550@gmx.com> <0FA3855325BD4CEA895934F1431C9D18@PC281321418224> Message-ID: WROR has been at the Pru since around 1997 or so. They are non-directional. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Doesn't WROR 105.7 transmit from the Pru--and hasn't it done so for at > least a decade--or however long most if not all of Greater Media's five > Boston-area FMs have transmitted form a multiplexed antenna atop the Pru? > But WROR may not use the multiplexed antenna, even if it does transmit from > the Pru. If memory serves, WROR is slightly directional, which would > necessitate its having its own antenna. > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Sun Feb 3 21:01:35 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:01:35 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ Only NOW At Full Power? In-Reply-To: <20130129194318.49550@gmx.com> References: <20130129194318.49550@gmx.com> Message-ID: I used to receive a very listenable signal in Natick from WBOQ but in the last month not so On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Laurence Glavin wrote: > The official announcement that WBOQ-FM 104.9 was utilizing its new tower > and transmitting facilities in > Topsfield, MA was a few weeks ago. On a few occasons, when I checked the > signal-strength indicator of > my primary music system with FM reception, I observed I was getting > different readings at different times, > on one occasion, while WBOQ was providing no broadcast content (the only > modulation might have been > the stereo carrier) during the overnight, the signal seemed to weaken, > then get stronger and back again while > I was watching it. Now, today (Tuesday, 01/28) the signal is noticeably > stronger than it has been, about equal > to WBMX-FM 104.1 and WROR-FM 105.7 running 50K-equivalent from Boston and > route 128 respectively. I'm > guessing that they were working on the transmitter before going to full > output. In the past few weeks, > there have been observations by those living in the Boston/Cambridge area > that WBOQ's signal was > actually lower than before, even to the point of helping WRBB's coverage > from Northeastern U. > From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Feb 4 01:34:46 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 01:34:46 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power Message-ID: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> Hate to say it but WBOQ-FM signal and especially the audio are much wimpier from Salem, NH down to Melrose, audio is extremely thin. Gloucester audio was top notch and I think the signal was a bit stronger. Speaking of audio what the hell is going on at WRKO these days....distortion city, very odd artifacts, a real TSL killer. Has it deteriorated into a lights on no one home situation. WRKO had exceptional audio until a few weeks ago. Is no one paying attention? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Feb 4 02:11:29 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 02:11:29 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power In-Reply-To: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> References: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> Message-ID: Looking at the old vs new WBOQ coverage maps, while the tower moved inland.. it also moved several miles north and west. .which would account for the signal in the Boston area getting worse. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Hate to say it but WBOQ-FM signal and especially the audio are much > wimpier from Salem, NH down to Melrose, audio is extremely thin. > Gloucester audio was top notch and I think the signal was a bit stronger. > Speaking of audio what the hell is going on at WRKO these > days....distortion city, very odd artifacts, a real TSL killer. Has it > deteriorated into a lights on no one home situation. WRKO had exceptional > audio until a few weeks ago. Is no one paying attention? > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Feb 4 08:00:48 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:00:48 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations Message-ID: It was announced today that starting next week former WTKK host Michael Graham will be on noon to 3 pm on WCRN AM 830 Worcester along with WESO 970 Southbridge, WBNW 1120 Concord, and WPLM 1390 Plymouth in what is being called the New England Talk Network From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Feb 4 08:32:32 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:32:32 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And he is obviously paying/brokering the time for himself. WBNW's parent company Money Matters Radio also owns WESO 970 and leases WPLM...... I am not faulting him for buying the time.. if he can make money doing it, all the more power to him. Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > It was announced today that starting next week former WTKK host > Michael Graham will be on noon to 3 pm > on WCRN AM 830 Worcester along with WESO 970 Southbridge, WBNW 1120 > Concord, and WPLM 1390 > Plymouth in what is being called the New England Talk Network > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 4 10:48:31 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:48:31 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations References: Message-ID: WBNW and WESO are owned by Financial entrpreneur Barry Armstrong. (Armstrong was born and raised in Canada but, AFAIK, is now a US citizen, so I believe he has transferred ownership of WBNW/WESO from his wife, Susan, who was always a US citizen, to himself.) Armstrong also LMAs WPLM (AM) for most of each week. I believe that WCRN is owned by the Carberry family and that no portion of it is owned by Armstrong. A lot of the programming on WBNW and WESO is brokered time. That is also true of some of the programming on WCRN, which finally seems to have found its niche in brokered time, a business model to which the Carberry clan is no stranger. I think there is a good chance that Graham is buying the time for his program on WBNW, WESO, WPLM, and WCRN. It would be interesting to know whether, in WPLM's case, he is leasing the time from Armstrong who leases it from the Campbell family. I think it's likely that Graham has not gone directly to Ms Campbell, and is therefore not saving a few $$$ by cutting out the person in the middle. If that's so, Graham must have high hopes for strong sales of his program--even though it will run opposite Limbaugh on WRKO and will lack a strong signal that would cover Boston and the close-in suburbs. The most likely possibility for that would seem to be WROL. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations > It was announced today that starting next week former WTKK host > Michael Graham will be on noon to 3 pm > on WCRN AM 830 Worcester along with WESO 970 Southbridge, WBNW 1120 > Concord, and WPLM 1390 > Plymouth in what is being called the New England Talk Network From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 12:00:16 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:00:16 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations References: Message-ID: <86C0CB23771D43E8B0B9D6FF3D715CFD@s20035> > And he is obviously paying/brokering the time for himself. Why is it obvious he is paying himself. I don't think Graham is that dumb. From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Feb 4 11:46:21 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:46:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359996381.50929.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dan wrote: >out the person in the middle. If that's so, Graham must have high hopes for >strong sales of his program--even though it will run opposite Limbaugh on >WRKO and will lack a strong signal that would cover Boston and the close-in >suburbs. The most likely possibility for that would seem to be WROL. Graham seems to be sticking around here, so maybe this is just a way to stay relevant, pick up guest spots on NECN or whatever other channel will have him, keep writing for the Herald, etc. He's not valuable to any of those outlets, and not making money, if he's on the sidelines.? I don't know what airtime goes for nowadays on a station with a decent-sized signal, such as 830. About 20 years ago, I'd say it would've been at least $200. Also keep in mind he's buying in bulk, so he may be getting a discount. Anyway, I'm guessing at a minimum $350/hour to lease airtime on all four stations, and I'd take the over if I were a betting man. You're talking, at a minimum, of $5,000/week in airtime costs. Add in a salary, if Graham is paying himself one, costs to transmit the program from the home base studio (whether it's Armstrong's stations or 830) to the other "affiliates," paying for salespeople (unless he's selling it himself), and the costs mount up quickly. Breaking even would be a challenge. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 4 13:35:44 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:35:44 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations References: <86C0CB23771D43E8B0B9D6FF3D715CFD@s20035> Message-ID: <44AF35E73F954852B2EB3DB19CF70D3F@SatU205S5044> Stu Taylor, a building contractor in Lexington, has been buying time from Armstrong (and before that, from Alex Langer) for years. His program (11:00AM to noon M-F on WBNW, WPLM, and probably WESO) has NOTHING to do with his contracting business or home repairs or remodeling. It's an hour for Taylor and the occasional caller to vent their spleen against the Obama socialist conspiracy. BTW, the good news about all of this right-wing brokered time is that it ought to give Bob Nelson pause before he makes fun of Liberal talkers (such as the execrable Jeff Santos) who have to buy time for their programs. And Santos, at least, has a good excuse for having to buy time to be heard--his programs are dreadful! I obviously disagree strenuously with just about everything Taylor and Graham have to say, but their programs (or at least Graham's program) used to be thought of as good enough to be on the air on a major station (WTKK) without the need for brokered time. Now we find Graham having to resort to brokered time in order to be heard. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations > > >> And he is obviously paying/brokering the time for himself. > > Why is it obvious he is paying himself. > > I don't think Graham is that dumb. > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 4 14:45:10 2013 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:45:10 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations Message-ID: <20130204194511.16690@gmx.com> There was a similar brokered show with Chuck Morse (conservative opinion) and for awhile he even had a liberal co-host to debate him and they called it Fair and Balanced or something. It aired on stations like the ones mentioned. WNSH even had it for awhile. I know what you mean about how Graham now has to buy time. I don't have a problem with Santos buying time, it's just kind of odd the lack of success he's had (maybe you're right about the content) or prog. talk in general (commercial, not non-commercial) in New England. There are only 2 progtalk stations I know of, in Brattleboro and Bangor (the latter bankrolled by a zillionaire horror author) but yes at least the likes of Graham were thought to be good enough to be NON-brokered time. Now that has changed. Talk stations of all kinds are taking their lumps lately, changing often to sports (Seattle, Portland OR, Charlotte) or other formats. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 14:59:23 2013 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power In-Reply-To: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> References: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> Message-ID: <1360007963.7899.YahooMailNeo@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Personally, they had a better signal at the old site.? We used to get WBOQ quite well on the South Shore, thanks in part to that nice water path from Cape Ann to the South Shore.? Except for the area near the Back Bay (WRBB), WBOQ had a fairly decent signal practically up to Manchester, NH.? It think that this might be another WAAF scenario....? trying to aim their sights to the lucrative Boston market, instead of trying to super-serve the old coverage area.? I think that they'd better off using the old site.? It did very well for those many years.? They don't hit the South Shore anymore.? It's a great sounding format.? Too bad we don't get it anymore. *sigh* Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hall To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Cc: Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:34 AM Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power Hate to say it but WBOQ-FM signal and especially the audio are much wimpier from Salem, NH down to Melrose, audio is extremely thin. Gloucester audio was top notch and I think the signal was a bit stronger. Speaking of audio what the hell is going on at WRKO these days....distortion city, very odd artifacts, a real TSL killer. Has it deteriorated into a? lights on no one home situation. WRKO had exceptional audio until a few weeks ago. Is no one paying attention? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 16:14:48 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:14:48 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power References: <6CE88CFB91924B3DB1C1218418A3232A@chrisHP> <1360007963.7899.YahooMailNeo@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5893C8A8FB83472AB14DBA3AD193C045@s20035> > Personally, they had a better signal at the old site. They have much more reach into the Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill, Reading & Woburn areas now with the new site!~ Great population centers. And they've got a great reach onto Rt 93 now. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Feb 4 17:43:06 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:43:06 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > It was announced today that starting next week former WTKK host > Michael Graham will be on noon to 3 pm > on WCRN AM 830 Worcester along with WESO 970 Southbridge, WBNW 1120 > Concord, and WPLM 1390 > Plymouth in what is being called the New England Talk Network I note that none of those stations reach Boston proper, so I wonder among other things if he will bail as soon as he gets an offer from a real Boston station. Also, in calling this the New England Talk Network they are ignoring that New England consists of six states, not just greater Boston or just Massachusetts. Or are there plans for further expansion? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 20:59:06 2013 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:59:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1360029546.41040.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > On paper only, due to terrain it does > not play out as well as it appears, a lot like the WAAF > move. I don't agree! It's playing out well for the North Shore. They gave up some "at sea" coverage...to cover more dry land. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Feb 5 10:43:54 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:43:54 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can't totally go by the radio-locator maps but I had checked them out (and posted links to them on Graham's site). WCRN's main signal (day) only reaches out to the west end of the 128 belt, while the distant covers a wide swath from Springfield to the ocean. On the North Shore, WCRN does come in but it's not a primo signal, at least in my car.The "fringe" signal does include parts of VT, NH, a small bit of ME, RI, and CT, but again we're talking fringe. (Part of "distant" may reach some of these.) WESO reaches parts of MA, RI, and CT. WPLM (day) reaches Plymouth and the Cape with its "local" signal and the distant signal reaches a swath going from Beverly down to Norwood, while WBNW's distant signal will reach Fitchburg, Boston, Worcester and Brockton. On radio-locator, the local is confined by a red mark, distant by purple, and fringe by blue. But keep in mind this is very optimistic groundwave coverage and you have to factor in interference and workplace-listening situations. When the time came for the Big Announcement, I found I could only pick up WCRN on my clock radio when I unplugged my cell phone, which was charging. Ultimately the signals involved will be "OK, yeah it comes in, kinda" more than a real gangbusters signal, but it will depend where you are. It won't be as powerful as WRKO or the 96.9 signal So, they may not reach Boston proper with a LOCAL signal, but the next category, DISTANT does qualify. And yes it will reach all 6 New England states but only portions of them, and not that strong. It's kind of like when I go to Rutland, VT and try to pick up Howie's show on WVMT. That starts to fade; I try WRKO, and stations in Binghamton and Baltimore are crowding him out. WCRN will come in, faintly.(As will an FM from NH) So yes, they reach New England's 6 states but only in part and it depends on where you are and what type of radio you have. Some at work may find they're better off tuning into the stream via computer or smart phone. > I note that none of those stations reach Boston proper, so I wonder among other things if he will bail as soon as he gets an offer from a real Boston station. Also, in calling this the New England Talk Network they are ignoring that New England consists of six states, not just greater Boston or just Massachusetts. Or are there plans for further expansion? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Feb 5 10:49:22 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:49:22 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will add that yes for some, if you're quite near the sticks of these four stations, yes it will come in great and maybe even great at your workplace, but don't expect miracles. I would compare it also to when Clear Channel put cons. talk on 1200. Yes it came in here in Beverly both day at night, half decently, but many complained about not getting it as well as a WRKO or a WBZ and for some it didn't come it at all, especially after sunset. And this was after the tower move/increase for WXKS (AM). And what comes in on your car radio isn't necessarily the strength you'll get on a cheap walkman or in your workplace--hence, the smartphone/Net option. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Feb 5 12:03:52 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:03:52 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My experience driving around Metrowest is that WCRN often has a good, if not better signal than WRKO - especially after Sunset. Of course Michael's show is on 12-3 so nighttime coverage doesn't matter for him. As for close-in Boston coverage, I guess the academics at Harvard will have to miss out on Mr. Graham's rants. :-) -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 5 13:54:27 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:54:27 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations References: Message-ID: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044> The signal strengths represented by R-L's (radio-locator.com's) contours are as follows: Daytime: inner--2.5 mV/m, middle--0.5 mV/m, outer--0.15 mV/m. Nighttime: inner--2.5 mV/m, outer--0.5 mV/m. IOW, R-L has, in effect, done away with the outer nighttime contour. Folks like Mr Nelson, who don't bother to obtain the contour values (they are listed somewhwere on the R-L site--just don't ask me where; I don't remember), are likely to be misled about the meanings of the contours--as Mr Nelson pretty clearly was. On a good radio, a 2.5 mV/m daytime signal is usually listenable, as long as interference from all of the stuff (fluorescent lights and light dimmers, for example) that raises the AM noise floor is not too severe. But 2.5 mV/m is hardly what most people--even radio geeks--would call a strong signal. The FCC considers 5 mV/m (twice the field intensity at R-L's inner contour) to be the minimum for service to a station's CoL. For some purposes, the FCC still considers 0.5 mV/m to be an AM station's primary daytime-service contour. But the Commission recognizes that, because of the proliferation of noise sources in recent decades, there are many situations in which 0.5 mV/m simply can't cut it. A practical definition of a 0.5 mV/m daytime (groundwave) signal is one that is listenable on a good receiver under ideal or nearly ideal conditions. As far as I know, 0.15 mV/m never had any special meaning at the FCC. The FCC USED TO say that 0.1 mV/m defined Class I AMs' (now called Class A) secondary (groundwave) daytime-service area. With a few exceptions, Class A stations are legacy 50-kW full-timers with highly efficient transmitting antennas and nighttime service that is protected from interference from co-channel stations of lower classes. Only a small fraction of US AMs that run 50 kW-U are Class As. In New England, the only Class As are WBZ and WTIC. Even though R-L shows three contours for daytime operation and only two for nighttime operation, the nighttime situation is much more complex and would require much more space to explain. The most salient point is that, for all US full-time AMs except Class As, the extent of so-called interference-free nighttime service is MUCH smaller than is suggested by R-L's INNER nighttime contours. R-L's outer nighttime contours, though provided for all stations that operate at night, bear no relationship to reality EXCEPT for Class A AMs, and for those, the outer contour applies only for groundwave service. It is still common to receive AM signals from distant stations at night. This is due to skywave--a phenomenon that results from the reflection of AM signals from the Ionosphere. Suffice it to say, however that, today, skywave reception is of interest primarily to AM DX (distant reception) aficionados, of whom there are quite a few on this mailing list. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations > You can't totally go by the radio-locator maps but I had checked them > out (and posted links to them on Graham's site). WCRN's main signal > (day) only reaches out to the west end of the 128 belt, while the > distant covers a wide swath from Springfield to the ocean. On the > North Shore, WCRN does come in but it's not a primo signal, > at least in my car.The "fringe" signal does include parts of VT, NH, a > small bit of ME, RI, and CT, but again we're talking fringe. (Part of > "distant" may reach some of these.) > > WESO reaches parts of MA, RI, and CT. WPLM (day) reaches Plymouth and > the Cape with its "local" signal and the distant signal reaches a > swath going from > Beverly down to Norwood, while WBNW's distant signal will reach > Fitchburg, Boston, Worcester and Brockton. On radio-locator, the local > is confined by a red > mark, distant by purple, and fringe by blue. > > But keep in mind this is very optimistic groundwave coverage and you > have to factor in interference and workplace-listening situations. > When the time came for the Big Announcement, I found I could only pick > up WCRN on my clock radio when I unplugged my cell phone, which was > charging. > > Ultimately the signals involved will be "OK, yeah it comes in, kinda" > more than a real gangbusters signal, but it will depend where you are. > It won't be as powerful as > WRKO or the 96.9 signal > > So, they may not reach Boston proper with a LOCAL signal, but the next > category, DISTANT does qualify. And yes it will reach all 6 New > England states but only portions of them, and not that strong. It's > kind of like when I go to Rutland, VT and try to pick up Howie's show > on WVMT. That starts to fade; I try WRKO, and > stations in Binghamton and Baltimore are crowding him out. WCRN will come > in, > faintly.(As will an FM from NH) So yes, they reach New England's 6 > states but only in part and it depends > on where you are and what type of radio you have. Some at work may find > they're > better off tuning into the stream via computer or smart phone. > >> I note that none of those stations reach Boston proper, so I wonder among >> other things if he will bail as soon as he gets an offer from a real >> Boston station. Also, in calling this the New England Talk Network they >> are ignoring that New England consists of six states, not just greater >> Boston or just Massachusetts. Or are there plans for further expansion? >> >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 5 23:37:28 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:37:28 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044> References: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5111DE08.6060504@fybush.com> On 2/5/2013 1:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > On a good radio, a 2.5 mV/m daytime signal is usually listenable, as > long as interference from all of the stuff (fluorescent lights and light dimmers, > for example) that raises the AM noise floor is not too severe. But 2.5 mV/m > is hardly what most people--even radio geeks--would call a strong signal. > The FCC considers 5 mV/m (twice the field intensity at R-L's inner contour) > to be the minimum for service to a station's CoL. Experts whose opinions I trust tell me that in major markets where it's possible to do some fairly granular breakdowns of ratings data, the evidence is now clear that mass-market AM stations get essentially no listeners in areas where their signals are less than 10 mV/m - and that's rapidly edging up to 15 mV/m as "all that stuff" continues to raise the AM noise floor. (Stations with specialty formats still draw audiences at lower signal levels; if the music you want can be found only on WJIB, you'll make a much bigger effort to tune in 740 even if you're in an area where its signal is weaker.) If R-L showed the 15 or 10 mV/m contours, they'd be significantly smaller than the 2.5 mV/m "inner" contour now shown. s From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Feb 6 07:22:25 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:22:25 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations In-Reply-To: <5111DE08.6060504@fybush.com> References: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044> <5111DE08.6060504@fybush.com> Message-ID: If I did my calculations correctly, and assuming there isn't a whole lot of terrain difference, the 10mV/m contour is about half the distance as the 2.5 contour. A 15mV/m contour is a little more than a third of the 2.5. WCRN's major daytime lobe toward Lowell goes from ~ 40 miles to ~ 20 miles for 10mV and ~ 14 miles for 15mV. -Bob > If R-L showed the 15 or 10 mV/m contours, they'd be significantly smaller > than the 2.5 mV/m "inner" contour now shown. > > s > > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Feb 6 08:22:08 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:22:08 -0500 Subject: Jim and Margery Returning? Message-ID: <006701ce046c$fb6d81c0$f2488540$@ma@comcast.net> Jim Braude tweeted last night: "For those who on Jan 3 said: "I can't live w/o J&M on my radio" - good news soon...for those who said: "thank god!" - sorry! Stay tuned..." I wonder where they will end up. Maybe as the lead in for Michael Graham J From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Feb 6 09:40:58 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:40:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Jim and Margery Returning? In-Reply-To: <006701ce046c$fb6d81c0$f2488540$@ma@comcast.net> References: <006701ce046c$fb6d81c0$f2488540$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1360161658.12921.YahooMailNeo@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jim Hall wrote: > Jim Braude tweeted last night:? > > > > "For those who on Jan 3 said: "I can't live w/o J&M on my > radio" - good news > soon...for those who said: "thank god!" - sorry! Stay tuned..." > > > > I wonder where they will end up. Maybe as the lead in for Michael Graham J The Globe's Matthew Gilbert just tweeted that they'll be taking over "Boston Public Radio" on 89.7 starting later this month.? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:43:19 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:43:19 -0500 Subject: Jim and Margery Returning? In-Reply-To: <1360161658.12921.YahooMailNeo@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360161658.12921.YahooMailNeo@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2013/02/eagan_and_braude_land_wgbh_radio On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Jim Hall wrote: > > Jim Braude tweeted last night: > > > > > > > > > "For those who on Jan 3 said: "I can't live w/o J&M on my > > radio" - good news > > soon...for those who said: "thank god!" - sorry! Stay tuned..." > > > > > > > > I wonder where they will end up. Maybe as the lead in for Michael Graham > J > > > The Globe's Matthew Gilbert just tweeted that they'll be taking over > "Boston Public Radio" on 89.7 starting later this month. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 6 10:09:26 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:09:26 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations References: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044> <5111DE08.6060504@fybush.com> Message-ID: As a VERY rough rule of thumb, an AM station's signal strength appears to drop off VERY roughly as the square of the distance between the transmitter and the listening point. (In fact, more than a few things influence this square-law relationship: soil conductivity and the station's operating frequency are the two most important--and most often cited--influences. With a salt-water path between transmitter and listening point, instead of a square-law relationship, you have a nearly linear relationship between distance and signal strength.) However, if you accept the square-law relationship and use it judiciously, you will find that the 10 mV/m contour lies (VERY roughly) half as far from the transmitter as the 2.5 mV/m contour. Applying this to WCRN, its calculated NIF (nighttime interference-free) contour is, IIRC, 10.55 mV/m. IOW, what R-L shows for WCRN's nighttime coverage (inner contour) is roughly twice as far from the transmitter in Leicester as is the actual NIF contour. WCRN's real NIF may be a skosh lower than 10.55 mV/m, however, because at least one of the major contributors is a now-dark Canadian AM. And then there is the argument over whether an NIF contour should be weaker than 20 times the RSS (square root of the sum of the squares) of the interfering co-channel 10% skywaves. (I think the FCC has added to the NIF calculation some first-adjacent-skywave value, but I am unclear on how that term enters into the calculation. For example, does WHAS really interfere with WCRN at night?) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations > On 2/5/2013 1:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> On a good radio, a 2.5 mV/m daytime signal is usually listenable, as >> long as interference from all of the stuff (fluorescent lights and light >> dimmers, >> for example) that raises the AM noise floor is not too severe. But 2.5 >> mV/m >> is hardly what most people--even radio geeks--would call a strong signal. >> The FCC considers 5 mV/m (twice the field intensity at R-L's inner >> contour) >> to be the minimum for service to a station's CoL. > > Experts whose opinions I trust tell me that in major markets where it's > possible to do some fairly granular breakdowns of ratings data, the > evidence is now clear that mass-market AM stations get essentially no > listeners in areas where their signals are less than 10 mV/m - and that's > rapidly edging up to 15 mV/m as "all that stuff" continues to raise the AM > noise floor. (Stations with specialty formats still draw audiences at > lower signal levels; if the music you want can be found only on WJIB, > you'll make a much bigger effort to tune in 740 even if you're in an area > where its signal is weaker.) > > If R-L showed the 15 or 10 mV/m contours, they'd be significantly smaller > than the 2.5 mV/m "inner" contour now shown. > > s > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 6 10:38:43 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:38:43 -0500 Subject: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations Message-ID: <4oba2mv1266u96iko6p92x2h.1360165009221@email.android.com> I have heard WCCO bubbling under WCRN at night. btw WGBH 89.7 has hired Eagan and Braude for noon with Rooney,Crossley and Deval Patrick's monthly gig alo g for the ride http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2013/02/eagan_and_braude_land_wgbh_radio Sent from my Virgin Mobile phone "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: >As a VERY rough rule of thumb, an AM station's signal strength appears to >drop off VERY roughly as the square of the distance between the transmitter >and the listening point. (In fact, more than a few things influence this >square-law relationship: soil conductivity and the station's operating >frequency are the two most important--and most often cited--influences. With >a salt-water path between transmitter and listening point, instead of a >square-law relationship, you have a nearly linear relationship between >distance and signal strength.) However, if you accept the square-law >relationship and use it judiciously, you will find that the 10 mV/m contour >lies (VERY roughly) half as far from the transmitter as the 2.5 mV/m >contour. > >Applying this to WCRN, its calculated NIF (nighttime interference-free) >contour is, IIRC, 10.55 mV/m. IOW, what R-L shows for WCRN's nighttime >coverage (inner contour) is roughly twice as far from the transmitter in >Leicester as is the actual NIF contour. WCRN's real NIF may be a skosh lower >than 10.55 mV/m, however, because at least one of the major contributors is >a now-dark Canadian AM. And then there is the argument over whether an NIF >contour should be weaker than 20 times the RSS (square root of the sum of >the squares) of the interfering co-channel 10% skywaves. (I think the FCC >has added to the NIF calculation some first-adjacent-skywave value, but I am >unclear on how that term enters into the calculation. For example, does WHAS >really interfere with WCRN at night?) > >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >eFax 1-707-215-6367 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:37 PM >Subject: Re: Michael Graham to be on WCRN, 3 other stations > > >> On 2/5/2013 1:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >>> On a good radio, a 2.5 mV/m daytime signal is usually listenable, as >>> long as interference from all of the stuff (fluorescent lights and light >>> dimmers, >>> for example) that raises the AM noise floor is not too severe. But 2.5 >>> mV/m >>> is hardly what most people--even radio geeks--would call a strong signal. >>> The FCC considers 5 mV/m (twice the field intensity at R-L's inner >>> contour) >>> to be the minimum for service to a station's CoL. >> >> Experts whose opinions I trust tell me that in major markets where it's >> possible to do some fairly granular breakdowns of ratings data, the >> evidence is now clear that mass-market AM stations get essentially no >> listeners in areas where their signals are less than 10 mV/m - and that's >> rapidly edging up to 15 mV/m as "all that stuff" continues to raise the AM >> noise floor. (Stations with specialty formats still draw audiences at >> lower signal levels; if the music you want can be found only on WJIB, >> you'll make a much bigger effort to tune in 740 even if you're in an area >> where its signal is weaker.) >> >> If R-L showed the 15 or 10 mV/m contours, they'd be significantly smaller >> than the 2.5 mV/m "inner" contour now shown. >> >> s >> >> > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 14:40:42 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: Braude and Eagan on 89.7 as of 2/25 In-Reply-To: References: <586401110B4144F088643AE173330779@SatU205S5044>, <5111DE08.6060504@fybush.com>, Message-ID: Official now, so... Been sitting on this for a week, as apparently there were some wrinkles to iron out, but WGBH has made it official earlier today... Jim Braude and Margery Eagan will be the new co-hosts of Boston Public Radio, WGBH's mid-day two-hour talk show starting Monday, February 25th. Other than "contributing" to the program, no further word on Rooney and Crossley. Mike From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 9 08:05:00 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:05:00 -0500 Subject: Blizzard Coverage On Radio & TV Message-ID: <1BBF663F3E9E44179DE4C37CEC17514F@MarkOTS3> WCVB appears to be the only Boston TV station to have continuous blizzard coverage (since the Noon news yesterday) on their main channel. They aired ABC prime time programming on 5.2. WHDH stopped their coverage to air NBC's prime time, WFXT stopped their coverage to air Fox prime time, WBZ aired CBS prime time and continued it's storm coverage on WSBK between 8 & 11PM. On the radio side, all I know is WCAP Lowell had coverage and updates during the day, after 7PM the automated oldies aired as usual, this morning the Warren Shaw show is airing coverage and discussion of the storm. WCVB just reporting voluntary evacuations in Hull, with the National Guard assisting in advance of the upcoming high tide (10AM). Of course WBZ radio's main transmitter is in Hull. Hopefully no major flooding will affect people or property (including BZ's TX) there. Mark Watson From madprof@fairpoint.net Mon Feb 4 00:59:44 2013 From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 00:59:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is WBOQ Only NOW At Full Power? -Natick In-Reply-To: References: <20130129194318.49550@gmx.com> Message-ID: <2883.74.209.24.243.1359957584.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> The FCC 60dBu contour for the CP is closer to Natick, I suggest try again. I believe it should be improved, tho not greatly: the new pattern kinda rotated nw (around an axis to Boston), and did not add any interference to WRBB's 60 dBu countour! I did a overlay map of FCC 60dBu contours for WBOQ old, new (cp), and WRBB. If anyone is interested in a copy (jpg, ~789k, 5 mi scale), contact me out of group. Bob Sutherland > Ron Bello posted > I used to receive a very listenable signal in Natick from WBOQ but in the > last month not so From lglavin@mail.com Mon Feb 4 15:52:22 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:52:22 -0500 Subject: Is WBOQ only now at full power Message-ID: <20130204205222.307840@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. >Sent: 02/04/13 02:11 AM >To: Chris Hall >Subject: Re: Is WBOQ only now at full power >Looking at the old vs new WBOQ coverage maps, while the tower moved >inland.. it also moved several miles north and west. .which would account >for the signal in the Boston area getting worse. If you visit the fcc.gov's page devoted to FM radio facilities, you'll see a "HAAT Calculator" doodad. WBOQ's average HAAT over 360 degrees is 98 meters, a skosh under 100 m, or 322 feet. But the radials at degree-points toward Boston drop off to as low as the mid 70s, perhaps partly due to the hills you see in Medford and such as (home to the old WEEI-103.3 FM tower years ago, then WFNX for a while). The directional antenna diminution in that direction is as low as .500 as well. But they're saying some day that may change. From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Feb 10 16:15:00 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:15:00 -0500 Subject: Something very odd but very good Message-ID: <0862EA892AD345E99943609349EDF2A3@chrisHP> Though I have had no loss of power or cable TV during this storm suddenly what has been an almost useless AM dial is now completely free of noise pollution, its as if I had been transported back to 1987 when I first moved to this condo. I see nothing unusual as far as parking lot sodium vapor and hallway lighting. Recently even the FM dial was full of bursts on certain frequencies. I can go up and down the AM dial and it is completely clean. I have been listening to ?Big bands and crooners Sundays? on WJIB all Sunday afternoon on the GE superadio in the kitchen where WBZ and WRKO have over the years deteriorated to the point of being almost unlistenable. During the past 10 years the RF noise pollution has been so bad WJIB was next to impossible even outside on the balcony, what ever is going on I hope it stays that way. The water in the snowpack may be helping conductivity a little but does not explain total disappearance of the RF noise floor From john@pcsupportsolutions.com Sun Feb 10 19:31:40 2013 From: john@pcsupportsolutions.com (John Allen) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:31:40 -0500 Subject: Something very odd but very good In-Reply-To: <0862EA892AD345E99943609349EDF2A3@chrisHP> References: <0862EA892AD345E99943609349EDF2A3@chrisHP> Message-ID: <001f01ce07ef$29577a20$7c066e60$@com> Hi Chris - One possibility for this is the Power Lines. First, note that some power lines have plastic or ceramic insulators at the poles that have metal connections on each end. These insulators are frequently used with two in series. The metal to metal connection gets corroded due to rain, and forms a nonlinear junction that, in the presence of high AC fields, creates power line noise that can be heard (at close distances) up above 400 MHz. If the wind is high enough to move the insulators enough to break up the corrosion oxidation, presto, no more power line noise. (For a while). Regards, John John Allen - PC Support Solutions www.pcsupportsolutions.com PC On Site Service and Training - Computer HW/SW/Network debugging, installation and upgrades. mailto:john@pcsupportsolutions.com M: 508 361-6229 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Chris Hall Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:15 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Something very odd but very good Though I have had no loss of power or cable TV during this storm suddenly what has been an almost useless AM dial is now completely free of noise pollution, its as if I had been transported back to 1987 when I first moved to this condo. I see nothing unusual as far as parking lot sodium vapor and hallway lighting. Recently even the FM dial was full of bursts on certain frequencies. I can go up and down the AM dial and it is completely clean. I have been listening to ?Big bands and crooners Sundays? on WJIB all Sunday afternoon on the GE superadio in the kitchen where WBZ and WRKO have over the years deteriorated to the point of being almost unlistenable. During the past 10 years the RF noise pollution has been so bad WJIB was next to impossible even outside on the balcony, what ever is going on I hope it stays that way. The water in the snowpack may be helping conductivity a little but does not explain total disappearance of the RF noise floor From markwats@comcast.net Mon Feb 11 17:44:07 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:44:07 -0500 Subject: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter Message-ID: <509FC0307FEB46B2B38EF6CD045A52DE@MarkOTS3> WEEI has fired Kevin Winter, the sports update reporter on the Dennis & Callahan show just 6 weeks after he started in that position. The Boston Globe reports Winter was shown the door after this morning's show, being told that the chemistry wasn't working between him & the show's hosts. Link to Globe article: http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/kevin_winter_out_at_weei.html Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 11 18:21:49 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:21:49 -0500 Subject: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter In-Reply-To: <509FC0307FEB46B2B38EF6CD045A52DE@MarkOTS3> References: <509FC0307FEB46B2B38EF6CD045A52DE@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: WEEI says he quit WEEI today announced that effective immediately, Kevin Winter has stepped down from his position on the Dennis and Callahan Morning Show. Winter, who was working exclusively for ESPN Radio before being hired in early December, said ?I appreciated the opportunity to join WEEI, but my time commitments at ESPN Radio were just too consuming for me to continue in both roles. I wish John and Gerry and the entire team the best going forward.? Jason Wolfe, Vice-President of Programming and Operations for Entercom Boston, said, ?I respect Kevin?s decision and wish him well in his future endeavors.? On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > WEEI has fired Kevin Winter, the sports update reporter on the Dennis & Callahan show just 6 weeks after he started in that position. The Boston Globe reports Winter was shown the door after this morning's show, being told that the chemistry wasn't working between him & the show's hosts. > > Link to Globe article: > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/kevin_winter_out_at_weei.html > > Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 11 19:05:31 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:05:31 -0500 Subject: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter In-Reply-To: <1360626410.98586.iosMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360626410.98586.iosMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have heard that WEEI LOST 3 million dollars last year. The Red Sox contract is killing them. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, wrote: > I have no basis for this comment, but it smells like a salary dump. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Kevin Vahey ; > * To: * Mark Watson ; > * Cc: * ; > * Subject: * Re: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter > * Sent: * Mon, Feb 11, 2013 11:21:49 PM > > WEEI says he quit > > WEEI today announced that effective immediately, Kevin Winter has stepped > down from his position on the Dennis and Callahan Morning Show. Winter, who > was working exclusively for ESPN Radio before being hired in early > December, said ?I appreciated the opportunity to join WEEI, but my time > commitments at ESPN Radio were just too consuming for me to continue in > both roles. I wish John and Gerry and the entire team the best going > forward.? > > Jason Wolfe, Vice-President of Programming and Operations for Entercom > Boston, said, ?I respect Kevin?s decision and wish him well in his future > endeavors.? > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > > > WEEI has fired Kevin Winter, the sports update reporter on the Dennis & > Callahan show just 6 weeks after he started in that position. The Boston > Globe reports Winter was shown the door after this morning's show, being > told that the chemistry wasn't working between him & the show's hosts. > > > > Link to Globe article: > > > > > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/kevin_winter_out_at_weei.html > > > > Mark Watson > From markwats@comcast.net Mon Feb 11 18:36:47 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:36:47 -0500 Subject: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter References: <509FC0307FEB46B2B38EF6CD045A52DE@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <1092AFF0F0BF40E4956A35F073B3A2E0@MarkOTS3> Kevin Vahey wrote: >WEEI says he quit >WEEI today announced that effective immediately, Kevin >Winter has stepped down from his position on the Dennis >and Callahan Morning Show. Interesting that 'EEI say he quit, Globe says he was booted. Who to believe. Anyone in line to take over the position? Mark Watson From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Feb 11 18:46:50 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (ssmyth@psualum.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI Cans Kevin Winter Message-ID: <1360626410.98586.iosMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have no basis for this comment, but it smells like a salary dump.

Sent from my iPhone From xradioguy@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 20:26:25 2013 From: xradioguy@yahoo.com (Ari Alpert) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:26:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements Message-ID: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I'm wondering if this is the end of an era. Over the last few days, I noticed that WBZ AM did not list all cities and towns that cancelled or delayed school opening. Instead, listeners were referred to the web site. School delays and closings always seemed like a public service that is well-served by radio, especially given significant power outages in the region. Are battery-powered radios no longer?ubiquitous?or it is assumed that everyone has battery-powered web-enabled devices or schools provide reverse 911-like service? In Providence, I noticed that WPRO AM continues to list all cities and towns on a regular basis (enter memories of Salty Brine saying "no school Foster Glocester"). Are other markets trending away from this practice too? -Ari From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Feb 12 21:40:16 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:40:16 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: *I noticed that WBZ AM did not list all cities and towns that cancelled or delayed school opening. Instead, listeners * *were referred to the web site. * Of course television still does this. I'm not sure any of it is really necessary. Nowadays, schools have outgoing telephone notification systems. In my town, we are awoken at 5:30 in the morning with robocalls to our house phone and all our cellphones telling us they have cancelled school. Even in the "old" days, we used to phone into a special number (696-2446, 698-2446) to find out if they cancelled school. It was so overloaded, it was like dialing a contest line, but it beat listening through the dozens of listings on the radio. While we are on the subject, a pet peeve: The towns/districts are listed in "computer alphabetical order". Thus towns like "North Andover" and "North Reading" will be listed before towns like "Northborough" and "Northbridge". This is because the computer includes the space character when alphabetizing the names - something my grade school teacher told me not to do! -Bob > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Feb 12 21:32:14 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:32:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1360722734.95165.YahooMailNeo@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ari wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm wondering if this is the end of an era. Over the last few days, I > noticed that WBZ AM did not list all cities and towns that cancelled or delayed > school opening. Instead, listeners were referred to the web site. School delays > and closings always seemed like a public service that is well-served by radio, > especially given significant power outages in the region. Are battery-powered > radios no longer?ubiquitous?or it is assumed that everyone has battery-powered > web-enabled devices or schools provide reverse 911-like service? > > In Providence, I noticed that WPRO AM continues to list all cities and towns on > a regular basis (enter memories of Salty Brine saying "no school Foster > Glocester"). > > Are other markets trending away from this practice too? I don't know about other markets, but it has been WBZ's M.O. for at least this winter season, and possibly longer. From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Feb 12 21:58:14 2013 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:58:14 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > The towns/districts are listed in "computer alphabetical order". Thus > towns like "North Andover" and "North Reading" will be listed before towns like > "Northborough" and "Northbridge". This is because the computer includes the space > character when alphabetizing the names - something my grade school teacher told me > not to do! I don't remember being taught to ignore the space when alphabetizing--just the opposite! Hmmm? What _I_ like is seeing the "The" schools listed in the Ts. Paul From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 12 21:44:52 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:44:52 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511AFE24.6050005@fybush.com> On 2/12/2013 8:26 PM, Ari Alpert wrote: > In Providence, I noticed that WPRO AM continues to list all cities > and towns on a regular basis (enter memories of Salty Brine saying > "no school Foster Glocester"). > > Are other markets trending away from this practice too? Yes, and with good reason. As the parent of a fourth-grader, I don't depend on broadcast radio to tell me if she has school or not. Our district has a call-out service that will alert us, as well as text messaging - and even if those messages don't get through, I'd rather sit through 3 or 4 minutes of text scrolling on the bottom of the local TV stations than 15 or 20 minutes waiting for something to be read on the radio. (Having said that: I'm just as peeved at the way some of my local TV stations don't edit their crawls. Over the weekend, I calculated that all of the 13 cancellations that were running in an interminable loop for hours on the local cable news channel affected maybe a total of 800 potential viewers, even ignoring that some were for events that had already expired. Is it worth the potential of serving some of those 800 people at the peril of annoying hundreds of thousands of other potential viewers?) And of course in the case of a storm like the one New England just experienced, do you really NEED anyone to tell you there's no school in your particular district? Once the governor has banned travel, it's pretty much a given that everything's cancelled, isn't it? s From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 13 00:59:46 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:59:46 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511B2BD2.2080709@attorneyross.com> On 2/12/2013 8:26 PM, Ari Alpert wrote: > I'm wondering if this is the end of an era. Over the last few days, I noticed that WBZ AM did not list all cities and towns that cancelled or delayed school opening. Instead, listeners were referred to the web site. School delays and closings always seemed like a public service that is well-served by radio, especially given significant power outages in the region. Are battery-powered radios no longer ubiquitous or it is assumed that everyone has battery-powered web-enabled devices or schools provide reverse 911-like service? I think it stopped being a public service long ago. Circa 1981, I needed to cancel a Brookline Tenant Union meeting due to snow, and when I called several radio stations, I was told that to list a cancellation, we had to be pre-registered, and it cost over $400 to do so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 13 01:02:05 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:02:05 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> On 2/12/2013 9:40 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > While we are on the subject, a pet peeve: > > The towns/districts are listed in "computer alphabetical order". Thus > towns like > "North Andover" and "North Reading" will be listed before towns like > "Northborough" > and "Northbridge". This is because the computer includes the space > character > when alphabetizing the names - something my grade school teacher told me > not to do! Many things are changed by the needs of technology. When I was in school, I learned that noon was 12:00 AM and midnight was 12:00 PM. Since the proliferation of digital devices, it has been the opposite. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 02:07:07 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:07:07 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2BD2.2080709@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <63E1F331C50D4A7FBE0C6D9E580EF55F@s20035> >> I'm wondering if this is the end of an era. > > I think it stopped being a public service long ago. Circa 1981, I > needed to cancel a Brookline Tenant Union meeting due to snow, and when > I called several radio stations, I was told that to list a cancellation, > we had to be pre-registered, and it cost over $400 to do so. Wow....Really???? OY! From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 02:08:12 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:08:12 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1FD2A4C7C8754F9DB819922C89AE3C3B@s20035> > Many things are changed by the needs of technology. When I was in > school, I learned that noon was 12:00 AM and midnight was 12:00 PM. > Since the proliferation of digital devices, it has been the opposite. Not to be a smarty....could it be that you were taught incorrectly? From francini@mac.com Wed Feb 13 06:48:02 2013 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:48:02 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> It really wouldn't take all that much coding to make the no-school apps sort the names in "library" order, where for sorting purposes compass directional names and articles (a, an, the) are considered to be attached to the *end* of the name with a comma. . Thus, in a no-school list for towns, you'd see: Andover North Andover . . . Newton West Newton. . . Beaver Country Day School The Best School Boston College Now of course this would likely mess up people who have grown used to the incorrect (i.e., lazy) sorting, so I suppose you'd have to do both. (In other words, "West Newton" would show up in both the Newtons and the Ws on the list. If they're not being read aloud it doesn't matter so much.) j On 13 Feb 2013, at 1:02, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/12/2013 9:40 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> While we are on the subject, a pet peeve: >> >> The towns/districts are listed in "computer alphabetical order". Thus >> towns like >> "North Andover" and "North Reading" will be listed before towns like >> "Northborough" >> and "Northbridge". This is because the computer includes the space >> character >> when alphabetizing the names - something my grade school teacher told me >> not to do! > > Many things are changed by the needs of technology. When I was in school, I learned that noon was 12:00 AM and midnight was 12:00 PM. Since the proliferation of digital devices, it has been the opposite. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 13 07:59:46 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 07:59:46 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A0E4433905D4CEEA9D0FC749086D360@SatU205S5044> But when you allow multiple listings of individual districts, updates can become a source of great confusion and annoyance. For example, a late change might result in West Newton showing a delayed opening but Newton, West showing closed. When you've made one change for a district, it's very easy to believe that you have updated all of the info for that district. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements > > It really wouldn't take all that much coding to make the no-school apps > sort the names in "library" order, where for sorting purposes compass > directional names and articles (a, an, the) are considered to be attached > to the *end* of the name with a comma. . > > Thus, in a no-school list for towns, you'd see: > > Andover > North Andover > . > . > . > Newton > West Newton. > . > . > Beaver Country Day School > The Best School > Boston College > > > Now of course this would likely mess up people who have grown used to the > incorrect (i.e., lazy) sorting, so I suppose you'd have to do both. (In > other words, "West Newton" would show up in both the Newtons and the Ws on > the list. If they're not being read aloud it doesn't matter so much.) > > j > > > > On 13 Feb 2013, at 1:02, A Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 2/12/2013 9:40 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >>> While we are on the subject, a pet peeve: >>> >>> The towns/districts are listed in "computer alphabetical order". Thus >>> towns like >>> "North Andover" and "North Reading" will be listed before towns like >>> "Northborough" >>> and "Northbridge". This is because the computer includes the space >>> character >>> when alphabetizing the names - something my grade school teacher told me >>> not to do! >> >> Many things are changed by the needs of technology. When I was in >> school, I learned that noon was 12:00 AM and midnight was 12:00 PM. Since >> the proliferation of digital devices, it has been the opposite. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 13 08:24:05 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:24:05 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382AEE3059CB45449E8BD258ABBCD9B3@SatU205S5044> It would be a useful public service if some station or group would put together a recorded version of the cancellations/delays and make them available on a phone line--perhaps paid for by the local power companies. Most of the people who lose their electric service can still make phonecalls--even land-line calls. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Alpert" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:26 PM Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements Hi All, I'm wondering if this is the end of an era. Over the last few days, I noticed that WBZ AM did not list all cities and towns that cancelled or delayed school opening. Instead, listeners were referred to the web site. -Ari From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Feb 13 08:54:41 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:54:41 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <382AEE3059CB45449E8BD258ABBCD9B3@SatU205S5044> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382AEE3059CB45449E8BD258ABBCD9B3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <002501ce09f1$afe06490$0fa12db0$@ma@comcast.net> Wasn't it WBCN that once announced that "Northeastern" was closed when it was the town of "North Easton"? I used to work at Northeastern and that day most of the kids stayed home, whereas the faculty and staff who were not WBCN listeners showed up. What used to irk me the most was that the large universities with thousands of students were usually last on the list of school closings, following an endless procession of nursery schools, daycares, dance schools, etc. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 13 12:39:16 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:39:16 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced Message-ID: >>A seismic shakeup at sports radio station WEEI is apparently imminent, with longtime host Glenn Ordway being replaced on its afternoon drive program by Mike Salk, a Boston native who has co-hosted a program on 710 ESPN in Seattle since 2009. http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/sources_weei_to_replace_glenn.html It was said Salk was heavily pursued by WEEI and he will take the job; no word when change will happen. From attychase@comcast.net Wed Feb 13 13:30:26 2013 From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Chase) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:30:26 -0500 Subject: AM PM References: Message-ID: Joe: I always knew you were an old codger, but I didn't think you went that far back! The convention was invented c. 1500 bce in Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt. That's when they started using ante meridian for before noon (with the 12 which stood in for the zero being labeled on timetables as am meaning midnight which was before noon. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock On the subject of referral to the Internet for the full school closings, on Saturday Comcast (the cable provider for Fall River) apparently lost a node and city was down from about 3 am (sic) to 5 pm (sic). It turns out radio is still the last best mass communication medium when everything else goes down. (This is why changes in the rules to allow a local station not to provide for local needs was dumb.) Bob Chase > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:02:05 -0500 > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements > Message-ID: <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Many things are changed by the needs of technology. When I was in > school, I learned that noon was 12:00 AM and midnight was 12:00 PM. > Since the proliferation of digital devices, it has been the opposite. From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Feb 13 13:11:07 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >>> A seismic shakeup at sports radio station WEEI is apparently imminent, > with longtime host Glenn Ordway being replaced on its afternoon drive program by > Mike Salk, a Boston native who has co-hosted a program on 710 ESPN in Seattle > since 2009. > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/sources_weei_to_replace_glenn.html > > It was said Salk was heavily pursued by WEEI and he will take the job; > no word when change will happen. Guessing this decision came from above Jason Wolf's paygrade?? Salk's an OK host, but Holley clearly will be No. 1 in that pairing. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 13 14:31:50 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:31:50 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced In-Reply-To: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glenn says he will be back on the air shortly. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: > >>> A seismic shakeup at sports radio station WEEI is apparently imminent, > > with longtime host Glenn Ordway being replaced on its afternoon drive > program by > > Mike Salk, a Boston native who has co-hosted a program on 710 ESPN in > Seattle > > since 2009. > > > > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/02/sources_weei_to_replace_glenn.html > > > > It was said Salk was heavily pursued by WEEI and he will take the job; > > no word when change will happen. > > > Guessing this decision came from above Jason Wolf's paygrade? > > Salk's an OK host, but Holley clearly will be No. 1 in that pairing. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 13 17:10:37 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:10:37 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced In-Reply-To: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511C0F5D.2040408@donnahalper.com> It's a done deal. Glenn said goodbye on air, evidently, and his new replacement is on the way-- so is it a salary dump? Or is it WEEI trying to re-image itself? Or both? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 13 19:43:08 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:43:08 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced In-Reply-To: <511C0F5D.2040408@donnahalper.com> References: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511C0F5D.2040408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: My guess is both. I have been told the station LOST $3M in 2012 ( Red Sox contract is killing them ) The irony here is many of the people at 98.5 got their start on the Big Show. WEEI had an out clause in his contract if ratings tanked and I think he was a victim of the Red Sox collapse as fans just did not want to hear Sox talk. I suspect we will hear from Glenn shortly. I would not be shocked if Clear Channel works out something with him on 1200 and then bring in FOX Sports. The comedy thing isn't working. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > It's a done deal. Glenn said goodbye on air, evidently, and his new > replacement is on the way-- so is it a salary dump? Or is it WEEI trying > to re-image itself? Or both? > From markwats@comcast.net Wed Feb 13 19:35:28 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:35:28 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced References: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511C0F5D.2040408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <50D0FE5D039348A9B12D9DE8E08AA844@MarkOTS3> Donna Halper wrote: > It's a done deal. Glenn said goodbye on air, evidently, and his new > replacement is on the way-- so is it a salary dump? Or is it WEEI trying > to re-image itself? Or both? IMHO, I'd say both. The Globe article stated Ordway had signed a 5 year contract paying $1 million a year with out-clauses if certain ratings benchmarks weren't met. One of those out-clauses apparently resulted in his salary being cut in half in 2011. Depending on the wording of the contract I'm guessing he'll receive some sore of severance package and the Globe reports Salk will be making much less that Ordway, which helps Entercom's bottom line. And with a new host comes a chance for WEEI to re-image with a new PM drive show. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 13 20:45:45 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:45:45 -0500 Subject: Globe: sources say Ordway to be replaced In-Reply-To: References: <1360779067.67193.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511C0F5D.2040408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Interesting about poss of sports to 1200; I had thought CC might try it to get Fox Sports cleared but figured low budget comedy would be staying a bit longer... this would be the fifth all sports station in town if 1200 were to flip. And would CC spring for a local host like him? Then again we have seen the idea of sports talk trumping political gab. Heck some say stations like 98.5 hurt WTKK... A couple of people have told me they like 1200 comedy but sports may bill better. But again, a fifth sports talker..? On Wednesday, February 13, 2013, Kevin Vahey wrote: > My guess is both. > > I have been told the station LOST $ 3M in 2012 ( Red Sox contract is killing > them ) > > The irony here is many of the people at 98.5 got their start on the Big > Show. > > WEEI had an out clause in his contract if ratings tanked and I think he was > a victim of the Red Sox collapse as fans just did not want to hear Sox talk. > > I suspect we will hear from Glenn shortly. I would not be shocked if Clear > Channel works out something with him on 1200 and then bring in FOX Sports. > The comedy thing isn't working. > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> It's a done deal. Glenn said goodbye on air, evidently, and his new >> replacement is on the way-- so is it a salary dump? Or is it WEEI trying >> to re-image itself? Or both? >> > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 13 20:45:00 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:45:00 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <511AFE24.6050005@fybush.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511AFE24.6050005@fybush.com> Message-ID: <511C419C.9070009@donnahalper.com> Scott wrote-- > > And of course in the case of a storm like the one New England just > experienced, do you really NEED anyone to tell you there's no school > in your particular district? Once the governor has banned travel, it's > pretty much a given that everything's cancelled, isn't it? Yes, but it still saddens me to hear about all the smaller market stations that are now automated and have no local staff. THAT is where it used to make sense to super-serve the audience and give school closings, hyper-local news, and every other piece of info like where the snow-plows are (and where they need to be). When people were without power or when there was a crisis situation, it was nice to be able to count on your local station. But alas, so many of those local stations no longer serve their community... and yet they still get to keep their licenses. From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Feb 13 21:29:59 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <511C419C.9070009@donnahalper.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511AFE24.6050005@fybush.com> <511C419C.9070009@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1360808999.2168.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Donna wrote: > Yes, but it still saddens me to hear about all the smaller market stations that > are now automated and have no local staff.? THAT is where it used to make sense > to super-serve the audience and give school closings, hyper-local news, and > every other piece of info like where the snow-plows are (and where they need to > be).? When people were without power or when there was a crisis situation, it > was nice to be able to count on your local station.? But alas, so many of those > local stations no longer serve their community... and yet they still get to keep > their licenses. And of course, WATD keeps on bucking the trend. Listened in yesterday and Ed Perry himself was out interviewing people in (IIRC) Marshfield.? From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 01:25:14 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:25:14 -0500 Subject: Donna on Ordway Message-ID: >From the Herald ?Perception is reality. If you?re perceived as the older station, it doesn?t matter if it?s true. That?s what people think, and you have to do something to re-image,? said Donna Halper, a veteran radio consultant and Lesley University professor. ?Now WEEI has a chance to turn it around right back on The Sports Hub, and say, ?We?re the one with new people. And this new contest. And this new promotion.? ? http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/02/hub_icon_glenn_ordway_gets_ax_in_sports_talk_battle From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 14 01:30:21 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:30:21 -0500 Subject: Donna on Ordway In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511C847D.9030106@donnahalper.com> Ah yes, they talked to me for 20 minutes and used a couple of sentences. But I take my publicity where I can get it, and I stand behind my general point. WEEI was in fact perceived as "old"-- whether that's true or not, and maybe some change will be good for them. Happy Valentine's day to all (it's my birthday too). From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 14 02:15:41 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:15:41 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> Message-ID: <511C8F1D.2060007@attorneyross.com> On 2/13/2013 6:48 AM, John Francini wrote: > Thus, in a no-school list for towns, you'd see: > > ... > Newton > West Newton. West Newton is part of Newton. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 14 02:17:17 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:17:17 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <4A0E4433905D4CEEA9D0FC749086D360@SatU205S5044> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> <4A0E4433905D4CEEA9D0FC749086D360@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <511C8F7D.9000000@attorneyross.com> On 2/13/2013 7:59 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But when you allow multiple listings of individual districts, updates can > become a source of great confusion and annoyance. For example, a late > change > might result in West Newton showing a delayed opening but Newton, West > showing closed. When you've made one change for a district, it's very > easy > to believe that you have updated all of the info for that district. Why would there be a separate listing for West Newton? Are there separate listings for Brighton, Roxbury, Dorchester, etc.? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 14 02:34:24 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:34:24 -0500 Subject: Donna on Ordway In-Reply-To: <511C847D.9030106@donnahalper.com> References: <511C847D.9030106@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <511C9380.4040605@attorneyross.com> On 2/14/2013 1:30 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Ah yes, they talked to me for 20 minutes and used a couple of > sentences. But I take my publicity where I can get it, and I stand > behind my general point. WEEI was in fact perceived as "old"-- > whether that's true or not, and maybe some change will be good for > them. Happy Valentine's day to all (it's my birthday too). And also Jack Benny's. Happy birthday to both. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 03:43:11 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:43:11 -0500 Subject: Donna on Ordway In-Reply-To: <511C9380.4040605@attorneyross.com> References: <511C847D.9030106@donnahalper.com> <511C9380.4040605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I am sure Donna feels 39 today On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/14/2013 1:30 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > > Ah yes, they talked to me for 20 minutes and used a couple of sentences. >> But I take my publicity where I can get it, and I stand behind my general >> point. WEEI was in fact perceived as "old"-- whether that's true or not, >> and maybe some change will be good for them. Happy Valentine's day to all >> (it's my birthday too). >> > > And also Jack Benny's. Happy birthday to both. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From francini@mac.com Thu Feb 14 05:40:59 2013 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:40:59 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <511C8F1D.2060007@attorneyross.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> <511C8F1D.2060007@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <498BA5C0-9618-478F-906D-FE650D344519@mac.com> I know that. I used it merely as an example. A better example would have been Newbury/West Newbury/Newburyport. J -- John Francini "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress. And by God I have had *this* Congress!" --John Adams On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:15, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/13/2013 6:48 AM, John Francini wrote: > >> Thus, in a no-school list for towns, you'd see: >> >> ... > >> Newton >> West Newton. > > West Newton is part of Newton. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Feb 14 07:35:33 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:35:33 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <1360808999.2168.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511AFE24.6050005@fybush.com> <511C419C.9070009@donnahalper.com> <1360808999.2168.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130214072923.03be70a0@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:29 PM 2/13/2013, Sean Smyth wrote: >And of course, WATD keeps on bucking the trend. Listened in yesterday and Ed Perry himself was out interviewing people in (IIRC) Marshfield. Ed always has been a bit of a maverick. I didn't know he still owned WATD - I'll have to drop him a line as I haven't seen him in about 30 years. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 14 11:24:54 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: Boston radio and school closing/delay announcements In-Reply-To: <511C8F1D.2060007@attorneyross.com> References: <1360718785.60200.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <511B2C5D.8090402@attorneyross.com> <0521014C-5643-4B99-96F8-722486F49286@mac.com> <511C8F1D.2060007@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <55B2A9A6-81DC-4C61-91E5-0D8F784BC8C3@mac.com> On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:15 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/13/2013 6:48 AM, John Francini wrote: > >> Thus, in a no-school list for towns, you'd see: >> >> ... > >> Newton >> West Newton. > > West Newton is part of Newton. > Newton, MA, or Newton, NH? Both are in the Boston market. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 13:59:09 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:59:09 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on Message-ID: http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-show-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered >>Paul Benzaquin, a Quincy native and longtime Marshfield resident who spent nearly 35 years on Boston TV and radio and was lauded for his broadcast journalism, died Wednesday evening, his son DonPaul Benzaquin of Norwell said. He was 90. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:29:45 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:29:45 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1526931145A44FD59DBF861E7F928E2F@AX229443> Paul was a great talk show host. I enjoyed him immensely on the old WEEI 590. He was the one "talkmaster" on WEEI who didn't follow the format of the host disagreeing with whomever called, even if it meant contradicting what the host had said to the previous caller. Paul always seemed to tell you how he really felt. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:59 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-sho w-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered >>Paul Benzaquin, a Quincy native and longtime Marshfield resident who spent nearly 35 years on Boston TV and radio and was lauded for his broadcast journalism, died Wednesday evening, his son DonPaul Benzaquin of Norwell said. He was 90. From madprof@fairpoint.net Thu Feb 14 21:02:18 2013 From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:02:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: kinda OT, surprized & fooled me Message-ID: <1457.69.195.58.143.1360893738.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> A friend posted a photo in Facebook (ugh) of what I thought was an AM tower with a unreasonably thick and wide flat top (thinking top-loading). I got all excited, thinking I had learned of a AM tower historical site I hadn't known existed. Photo is from "Garden Acupuncture" in Brooklyn (sorry I don't have a URL for that pix). I wrote them, and learned it is on Coney Island, researched further and realized is not an AM tower, but a 262' Parachute jump, built for 1939 NYC World's Fair, then moved to Coney Island; currently defunct as a ride, but is a significant local landmark! FWIW, Wikipedia quotes coords as 40.57301 ,73.984407 = 40:34:22.8, 73:59:03.9 ~where Beach 59th St meets Broadway. Wikipedia pictures: (#2 best) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coney_island_parachute_jump_2.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coney_island_parachute_jump.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coney_island_parachute_jump_3.jpg Some excellent photos (of top grid-work) can be found in: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauldc/5781639436/ for history, etc, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_Jump I'll bet many of BRI members already knew of it, but I will accept laughs at my expense. (or laughs with me). Bob Sutherland From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 22:30:35 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:30:35 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d911041-1137-46aa-9069-0fbf286011f6@email.android.com> I had the pleasure of running the board and screening Paul's calls a few times back at the late great WHDH (850 Boston). He was the same soft spoken gentlemen off air to me as he was on. He wanted callers' first names fed to him via IFB. And timing mattered. When he wanted a call, Paul would say, "Two six six, one one hundred," then he would pause for the producer to say the first name in his headphones and then he'd say, e.g., "Mary, you're next on WHDH." And it worked. My condolences to Paul's loved ones. Bill O'Neill Bob Nelson wrote: >http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-show-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered > >>>Paul Benzaquin, a Quincy native and longtime Marshfield resident who >spent nearly 35 years on Boston TV and radio and was lauded for his >broadcast journalism, died Wednesday evening, his son DonPaul Benzaquin >of Norwell said. He was 90. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 00:18:12 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:18:12 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas Message-ID: Tonight another beaut..... WBZ-TV top story the Carnival floating cesspool gulf cruise ship disaster finally arriving in Mobile after four steamy days, followed by ?I don?t want to work....I want to bang on these drums all day? Carnival Cruise Ship commercial. This stuff is just too funny. From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Feb 15 00:38:34 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:38:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360906714.45326.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Chris Hall wrote: >T onight another beaut..... WBZ-TV top story the Carnival floating cesspool gulf > cruise ship disaster finally arriving in > Mobile after four steamy days, followed by ?I don?t want to work....I want to > bang on these drums all day? > Carnival Cruise Ship commercial. This stuff is just too funny. 1. Does Channel 4 still have master control on SFR? 2. How much communication is there between traffic and news departments on issues like this?? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 15 01:05:27 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:05:27 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> On 2/15/2013 12:18 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Tonight another beaut..... WBZ-TV top story the Carnival floating cesspool gulf cruise ship disaster finally arriving in > Mobile after four steamy days, followed by ?I don?t want to work....I want to bang on these drums all day? > Carnival Cruise Ship commercial. This stuff is just too funny. I thought stations actually try to avoid juxtapositions like that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 09:49:32 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:49:32 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <1360906714.45326.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360906714.45326.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can't make this stuff up. Bill O' Sean Smyth wrote: >Chris Hall wrote: >>T onight another beaut..... WBZ-TV top story the Carnival floating >cesspool gulf >> cruise ship disaster finally arriving in >> Mobile after four steamy days, followed by ?I don?t want to work....I >want to >> bang on these drums all day? >> Carnival Cruise Ship commercial. This stuff is just too funny. > > >1. Does Channel 4 still have master control on SFR? > >2. How much communication is there between traffic and news departments >on issues like this?? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 12:24:02 2013 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:24:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: <1360906714.45326.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1360949042.63430.YahooMailNeo@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I can shed some light on this. Most likely neither the studio nor master control knew it was coming up. The studio was focused on getting the newscast on the air and only cares about how long a break is and how much time they have left. Master control most likely only sees the spot's code and length on a playlist and has no idea what spot it is. It's the traffic department's responsibility to double check logs for potential conflicts and problems. I'm surprised it went on at all - I would have thought Carnival would have suspended advertising until the ship was back safely. Airlines do that a matter of routine when there is a major crash. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 15 13:12:30 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:12:30 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:05 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/15/2013 12:18 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > >> Tonight another beaut..... WBZ-TV top story the Carnival floating cesspool gulf cruise ship disaster finally arriving in >> Mobile after four steamy days, followed by ?I don?t want to work....I want to bang on these drums all day? >> Carnival Cruise Ship commercial. This stuff is just too funny. > > I thought stations actually try to avoid juxtapositions like that. >From my experience, the operative word is "try". To co-ordinate stuff like that requires co-operation of two departments, news and traffic. And after business hours the traffic department is long-gone. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 14:30:08 2013 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:30:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> Message-ID: <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I always made myself available for calls from master control after hours when I worked in traffic. Often I would call master control if I knew a problem was coming (such as a live program running long and spots needing to be cut). Others may handle it differently. Many stations finalize logs up to a week in advance, which I never liked. Too many changes could happen. I preferred 2 days out. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 15:28:47 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:28:47 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Friend at WLS-TV Chicago said same thing happened last night and Carnival actually requested the time to offset the news story. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > I always made myself available for calls from master control after hours > when I worked in traffic. Often I would call master control if I knew a > problem was coming (such as a live program running long and spots needing > to be cut). Others may handle it differently. Many stations finalize logs > up to a week in advance, which I never liked. Too many changes could > happen. I preferred 2 days out. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 15 15:37:33 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:37:33 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> On 2/15/2013 3:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Friend at WLS-TV Chicago said same thing happened last night and Carnival > actually requested the time to offset the news story. > I recall being told to remove (or re-locate) airline commercials if there had been a plane crash. But I suppose for Carnivale, they are in PR mode. Their industry is just about totally unsupervised, and their ships sail under foreign flags for that very purpose. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 15 16:39:12 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:39:12 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com><97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com><1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What does it mean to "offset" a news story? Deny it? Spin it in the advertiser's favor? Every time I've heard the Carnival story in the last ~48 hours, I've heard an actuality or at least a quote from Carnival's CEO's apology to his victims--I mean customers. Regardless, everything I've heard about Carnival suggests that it richly deserves to go bankrupt and be placed under new management. Why did it take a ton of bad publicity before any attempt was made to ameliorate the horrible conditions? It should have been possible to get a medium-sized boat loaded with port-a-potties out to the stranded cruise ship. Cruise ships must have hoists capable of lifting objects that weigh a few hundred pounds from the deck of a smaller boat up to the deck of the larger vessel. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Maureen Carney" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Another amusing faux pas > Friend at WLS-TV Chicago said same thing happened last night and Carnival > actually requested the time to offset the news story. > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Maureen Carney > wrote: > >> I always made myself available for calls from master control after hours >> when I worked in traffic. Often I would call master control if I knew a >> problem was coming (such as a live program running long and spots needing >> to be cut). Others may handle it differently. Many stations finalize logs >> up to a week in advance, which I never liked. Too many changes could >> happen. I preferred 2 days out. >> From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 15 16:54:30 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:54:30 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <511EAE96.9020702@attorneyross.com> On 2/15/2013 3:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I recall being told to remove (or re-locate) airline commercials if > there had been a plane crash. But I suppose for Carnivale, they are > in PR mode. Their industry is just about totally unsupervised, and > their ships sail under foreign flags for that very purpose. But avoiding badly juxtaposed ads _is_ PR. They make Carnivale look bad, and their advertising department should know that and do something to avoid them, even pull ads until this blows over. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Feb 15 17:05:31 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:05:31 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com><97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com><1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01ce0bc8$95c6edd0$c154c970$@ma@comcast.net> You basically can't avoid them if you want to take a cruise: they own Cunard, Holland America, Princess, P&O, and Seabourn among others. I think one of the few alternatives is NCL (Norwegian Cruise Lines). >>What does it mean to "offset" a news story? Deny it? Spin it in the advertiser's favor? Every time I've heard the >>Carnival story in the last ~48 hours, I've heard an actuality or at least a quote from Carnival's CEO's apology to his >>victims--I mean customers. Regardless, everything I've heard about Carnival suggests that it richly deserves to go >>bankrupt and be placed under new management. Why did it take a ton of bad publicity before any attempt was made to >>ameliorate the horrible conditions? It should have been possible to get a medium-sized boat loaded with port-a-potties >>out to the stranded cruise ship. Cruise ships must have hoists capable of lifting objects that weigh a few hundred >>pounds from the deck of a smaller boat up to the deck of the larger vessel. >> From heritageradio@msn.com Fri Feb 15 18:10:30 2013 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:10:30 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very sad news indeed. Anyone have some better pictures than the one seen in the announcement <> 2/15/13 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-show-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered >>Paul Benzaquin, a Quincy native and longtime Marshfield resident who spent nearly 35 years on Boston TV and radio and was lauded for his broadcast journalism, died Wednesday evening, his son DonPaul Benzaquin of Norwell said. He was 90. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 19:55:12 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:55:12 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is one from the 60's http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/66666_583623468331785_513086784_n.jpg On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > Very sad news indeed. Anyone have some better pictures than the one seen > in the announcement <> 2/15/13 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Nelson > To: Boston Radio Group boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:59 PM > Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on > > > > http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-show-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered > < > http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x694774242/Legendary-radio-talk-show-host-Paul-Benzaquin-remembered > > > > >>Paul Benzaquin, a Quincy native and longtime Marshfield resident who > spent nearly 35 years on Boston TV and radio and was lauded for his > broadcast journalism, died Wednesday evening, his son DonPaul Benzaquin of > Norwell said. He was 90. > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 22:16:00 2013 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:16:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Very sad news indeed.? Anyone > have some better pictures than the one seen in the > announcement? ? ???< Heathwood>>? ? The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2013/02/paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_broadcast_journalist From heritageradio@msn.com Sun Feb 17 14:14:59 2013 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:14:59 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: D. A. To: Boston Radio Group ; Bob Nelson ; Thomas Heathwood Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Paul Benzaquin has passed on > Very sad news indeed. Anyone > have some better pictures than the one seen in the > announcement < Heathwood>> The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2013/02/paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_broadcast_journalist From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Feb 18 09:05:03 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:05:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> D.A. wrote: > The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. > > http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2013/02/paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_broadcast_journalist The obituary mentions he was on WRKO from 1992-96. I don't recall this. Was he on weekends? From markwats@comcast.net Mon Feb 18 10:15:23 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:15:23 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sean Smyth wrote: > The obituary mentions he was on WRKO from 1992-96. I don't recall this. > Was he on weekends? I believe he was weekends on WRKO. Mark Watson From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 10:41:55 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:41:55 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. >> >> http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2013/02/paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_broadcast_journalist > > > The obituary mentions he was on WRKO from 1992-96. I don't recall this. > Was he on weekends? I believe he did a Saturday night show where he talked about health, vitamins, holistic health (which was his passion) and the like. From atolz@comcast.net Mon Feb 18 16:57:20 2013 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:57:20 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> Yes, he was on weekends at RKO during those years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "D. A." ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Paul Benzaquin has passed on > D.A. wrote: >> The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. >> >> http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2013/02/paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_broadcast_journalist > > > The obituary mentions he was on WRKO from 1992-96. I don't recall this. > Was he on weekends? > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:28:17 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:28:17 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: <362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> Message-ID: Paul was doing well in Chicago and then was abruptly fired. Chicago Magazine did a story on 'swinging' in the wealthy burbs and Paul and his secretary were mentioned in the article. WLS-TV fired him the day the story broke and his midnight show was given to Bob Kennedy ( who would also keep his morning show ) On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > Yes, he was on weekends at RKO during those years. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" > To: "D. A." ; "Boston Radio Group" < > boston-radio-interest@lists.**BostonRadio.org > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: Paul Benzaquin has passed on > > > > D.A. wrote: >> >>> The picture I saw in Friday's Herald looks most like the Paul I recall. >>> >>> http://bostonherald.com/news_**opinion/obituaries/2013/02/** >>> paul_benzaquin_at_90_hub_**broadcast_journalist >>> >> >> >> The obituary mentions he was on WRKO from 1992-96. I don't recall this. >> Was he on weekends? >> >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:23:54 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:23:54 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien Message-ID: Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health problems but her death today is a shock. Her daughter posted on FB Maureen O'Brien 13 minutes ago near Saint Cloud, FL ? For all of those who are friends of Maureen, this is her daughter Stacie updating from her computer. She passed away in her sleep. If you are family, friends, or have any concerns or information to provide for me please contact me at staciero@gmail.com .. Do not expect reply from this Facebook account, let it just be a memory of my mother. She is with Jesus Christ now, present with her Lord and Savior. God bless and please keep us in your prayers. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:27:30 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:27:30 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And another list I'm on lost another valued, long time member. My mom is going through cancer treatment again for about the 6th or 7th time in a decade. Life is so precious, never take it for granted. Paul On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health > problems but her death today is a shock. > > Her daughter posted on FB > > Maureen O'Brien > 13 minutes ago near Saint Cloud, FL ? > > For all of those who are friends of Maureen, this is her daughter Stacie > updating from her computer. She passed away in her sleep. If you are > family, friends, or have any concerns or information to provide for me > please contact me at staciero@gmail.com .. Do not expect reply from this > Facebook account, let it just be a memory of my mother. She is with Jesus > Christ now, present with her Lord and Savior. God bless and please keep us > in your prayers. > From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Feb 19 21:46:43 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:46:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361328403.73867.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: >Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health >problems but her death today is a shock. RIP. I'm pretty sure she just posted here a day or two ago. She provided a lot of insight and knowledge about the inner-workings of the business, and that will be missed. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 19 23:04:55 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:04:55 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: <1361328403.73867.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1361328403.73867.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very sorry to hear of her loss. My prayers go out to her family and friends. Bill O Sean Smyth wrote: >Kevin wrote: >>Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having >health >>problems but her death today is a shock. > > >RIP. I'm pretty sure she just posted here a day or two ago. She >provided a lot of insight and knowledge about the inner-workings of the >business, and that will be missed. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From mward@iname.com Tue Feb 19 23:50:02 2013 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:50:02 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My condolences to her family. I met Maureen in one of our BRI gatherings...can't remember where, but I was with Scott Fybush who would know. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health > problems but her death today is a shock. > > Her daughter posted on FB > > Maureen O'Brien > 13 minutes ago near Saint Cloud, FL ? > > For all of those who are friends of Maureen, this is her daughter Stacie > updating from her computer. She passed away in her sleep. If you are > family, friends, or have any concerns or information to provide for me > please contact me at staciero@gmail.com .. Do not expect reply from this > Facebook account, let it just be a memory of my mother. She is with Jesus > Christ now, present with her Lord and Savior. God bless and please keep us > in your prayers. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 00:04:02 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:04:02 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maureen Carney is not Maureen O'Brien On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > My condolences to her family. > > I met Maureen in one of our BRI gatherings...can't remember where, but I > was with Scott Fybush who would know. > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health >> problems but her death today is a shock. >> >> Her daughter posted on FB >> >> Maureen O'Brien >> 13 minutes ago near Saint Cloud, FL ? >> >> For all of those who are friends of Maureen, this is her daughter Stacie >> updating from her computer. She passed away in her sleep. If you are >> family, friends, or have any concerns or information to provide for me >> please contact me at staciero@gmail.com .. Do not expect reply from this >> Facebook account, let it just be a memory of my mother. She is with Jesus >> Christ now, present with her Lord and Savior. God bless and please keep us >> in your prayers. >> > > From mward@iname.com Wed Feb 20 00:12:22 2013 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:12:22 -0500 Subject: RIP Maureen O'Brien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, dear. I am so sorry to Maureen and the family and friends of Ms. O'Brien. Going to go hide now. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Maureen Carney is not Maureen O'Brien > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > >> My condolences to her family. >> >> I met Maureen in one of our BRI gatherings...can't remember where, but I >> was with Scott Fybush who would know. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> Maureen was a long time member of this list. She had been having health >>> problems but her death today is a shock. >>> >>> Her daughter posted on FB >>> >>> Maureen O'Brien >>> 13 minutes ago near Saint Cloud, FL ? >>> >>> For all of those who are friends of Maureen, this is her daughter Stacie >>> updating from her computer. She passed away in her sleep. If you are >>> family, friends, or have any concerns or information to provide for me >>> please contact me at staciero@gmail.com .. Do not expect reply from this >>> Facebook account, let it just be a memory of my mother. She is with Jesus >>> Christ now, present with her Lord and Savior. God bless and please keep >>> us >>> in your prayers. >>> >> >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 20 02:25:08 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:25:08 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> Message-ID: Around 1970 Bob Kennedy is largely forgotten in Boston history and back in 1968 he was furious when WBZ tv and radio offered him $28,000 when he was billing 750K. Here is a wonderful clip of Kennedy ( in Chicago ) asking JJ Jeffrey how he would survive http://fuzzymemories.tv/#videoclip-3719 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Don wrote: > > > Paul was doing well in Chicago and then was abruptly fired. >> >> Chicago Magazine did a story on 'swinging' in the wealthy burbs and Paul >> and his secretary were mentioned in the article. >> > > What year would this have been? > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 01:57:58 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:57:58 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> Message-ID: > Paul was doing well in Chicago and then was abruptly fired. > > Chicago Magazine did a story on 'swinging' in the wealthy burbs and Paul > and his secretary were mentioned in the article. What year would this have been? From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 20 23:49:07 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:49:07 -0500 Subject: Paul Benzaquin has passed on In-Reply-To: References: <1360984560.94591.YahooMailClassic@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1361196303.5914.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <362A2EB2BE9E48BF8F3103FA7ACF4104@mediacenter> Message-ID: <5125A743.6080008@attorneyross.com> On 2/20/2013 2:25 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Around 1970 > > Bob Kennedy is largely forgotten in Boston history and back in 1968 he was > furious when WBZ tv and radio offered him $28,000 when he was billing 750K. I remember him well on WBZ radio. Before JFK's assassination, he used to call himself "the other Bob Kennedy." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 21 18:02:10 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:02:10 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> WBUR's purchase of WMVY 92.7 FM on Martha's Vineyard became a reality for listeners on February 9th. So now WBUR's station ID goes something like this: "WBUR-FM, Boston, also heard on WBUA 92.9, Tisbury/Martha's Vineyard; also WSDH, Sandwich, WCCT-FM, Harwich and WBUR-AM, West Yarmouth. I guess they've been identifying WCCT in Harwich as WCCT-FM right along, but I seem to notice it now because of the "FM' appended to the calls. They don't do this with WSDH or WBUA. So I assumed there's eith an AM station of a TV station somewhere that's also using WCCT, and voila: it turns out that the former WATR-TV and WTXX in Waterbury, CT still on channel 20 had adopted the WCCT calls. I guess if at sometime in the future WCCT-TV changes its call letters again, WCCT-FM can go by just WCCT and shorten WBUR's stationID unless they buy ANOTHER terrestrial radio outlet somewhere. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 22 23:04:39 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:04:39 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > it turns out that the former WATR-TV and WTXX in Waterbury, CT still on channel 20 > had adopted the WCCT calls. I guess if at sometime in the future WCCT-TV changes its call letters > again, WCCT-FM can go by just WCCT and shorten WBUR's stationID Only if they pay the $65 to request an official change of call sign. However, if you had bothered to check the FCC database (which is both free and trivial to do), you would have seen that WCCT-FM has *only* *ever* been WCCT-FM, long before WTXX changed its call sign. In fact, for whatever reason, most Massachusetts high-school stations chose a "-FM" call sign, despite there being no necessity (and for most of the relevant period, FCC rules did not allow the same "base" call sign on non-commonly-owned stations); WSDH was rather the exception. It is good to see that WBUR is finally correctly identifying WCCT-FM, as they did not do so for many years. (Technically, they are not supposed to identify it when the stations are not simulcasting -- does Cape Cod Tech still do any independent programming?) WKKL, on the other hand, never had a "-FM" call. I hope Cape Cod Tech got something from Tribune in return for its consent to the assignment of WCCT-TV in Waterbury. -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Feb 22 23:10:31 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:10:31 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> One thing wrong with WBUR's legal ID is they say "AM" between WBUR and West Yarmouth... No AM stations have "AM" as part of their calls, but it's a common mistake made by many stations. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Only if they pay the $65 to request an official change of call sign. > > However, if you had bothered to check the FCC database (which is both > free and trivial to do), you would have seen that WCCT-FM has *only* > *ever* been WCCT-FM, long before WTXX changed its call sign. In fact, > for whatever reason, most Massachusetts high-school stations chose a > "-FM" call sign, despite there being no necessity (and for most of the > relevant period, FCC rules did not allow the same "base" call sign on > non-commonly-owned stations); WSDH was rather the exception. > > It is good to see that WBUR is finally correctly identifying WCCT-FM, > as they did not do so for many years. (Technically, they are not > supposed to identify it when the stations are not simulcasting -- does > Cape Cod Tech still do any independent programming?) WKKL, on the > other hand, never had a "-FM" call. I hope Cape Cod Tech got > something from Tribune in return for its consent to the assignment of > WCCT-TV in Waterbury. > > -GAWollman > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Feb 23 08:48:54 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:48:54 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> At 11:10 PM 2/22/2013, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >One thing wrong with WBUR's legal ID is they say "AM" between WBUR and West Yarmouth. If they said "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" that would be legal, but "WBUR-AM, West Yarmouth" is not a legal ID because there is no station whose calls are "WBUR-AM." A service designator is never used as part of the calls of a standard broadcast station, even when the same calls are used by stations in more than one service. For example, WBZ, WBZ-FM and WBZ-TV - the service designators "-FM" and "-TV" are part of those stations calls, but the AM is just "WBZ." "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" is a legal ID - see section 73.1201 (b) of the rules and regs for what content is legal in IDs between the calls and the COL. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Feb 23 08:30:45 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:30:45 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130223082807.03c61440@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:02 PM 2/21/2013, Laurence Glavin wrote: >I guess if at sometime in the future WCCT-TV changes its call letters >again, WCCT-FM can go by just WCCT Only if the licensee files for new call letters. The ID has to use the calls as given on the station license. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From lglavin@mail.com Sat Feb 23 14:08:10 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:08:10 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <20130223190811.26320@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 02/22/13 11:04 PM >To: Laurence Glavin >Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID >< said: >However, if you had bothered to check the FCC database (which is both >free and trivial to do), you would have seen that WCCT-FM has *only* >*ever* been WCCT-FM, long before WTXX changed its call sign. In fact, >for whatever reason, most Massachusetts high-school stations chose a >"-FM" call sign, despite there being no necessity (and for most of the >relevant period, FCC rules did not allow the same "base" call sign on >non-commonly-owned stations) .....................I visit the fcc.gov website nearly every weekeday when I view the Applications and Actions link at fybush.com. These may lead me to follow up some changes at the Media Page of fcc.gov. (For example, why did WEZR-AM 1240 in Lewiston, ME REDUCE its nighttime power from 1,000 watts to 860 watts?) When I first noticed that WBUR's Station ID specifically called WCCT-FM WCCT-FM, I turned first to radio-locator.com to see of there was a WCCT-AM, THEN I turned to the FCC website's TV page, wherein I learned that there is a WCCT-TV. It's a bit illogical to suggesst that I could learn about a station's call-sign history at fcc.gov's AM or FM Query. All it offers is THE CURRENT SET OF CALL LETTERS. The most recent call-letter change in Boston was WEDX 101.7. If you go to the FCC website, you'd never see any reference to WFNX or WLYN-FM. You could try the Boston Radio.org station profiles, but they haven't been updated lately: they still have WFNX as the occupant of 101.7. And they have WBUR-FM running 7,200 watts, not 12,000. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 23 16:22:12 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:22:12 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20130223190811.26320@gmx.com> References: <20130223190811.26320@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20777.13060.721037.934063@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> < said: >However, if you had bothered to check the FCC database (which is both >free and trivial to do), you would have seen that WCCT-FM has *only* >*ever* been WCCT-FM, long before WTXX changed its call sign. In fact, >for whatever reason, most Massachusetts high-school stations chose a >"-FM" call sign, despite there being no necessity (and for most of the >relevant period, FCC rules did not allow the same "base" call sign on >non-commonly-owned stations) .....................I visit the fcc.gov website nearly every weekeday when I view the Applications and Actions link at fybush.com. These may lead me to follow up some changes at the Media Page of fcc.gov. (For example, why did WEZR-AM 1240 in Lewiston, ME REDUCE its nighttime power from 1,000 watts to 860 watts?) When I first noticed that WBUR's Station ID specifically called WCCT-FM WCCT-FM, I turned first to radio-locator.com to see of there was a WCCT-AM, THEN I turned to the FCC website's TV page, wherein I learned that there is a WCCT-TV. It's a bit illogical to suggesst that I could learn about a station's call-sign history at fcc.gov's AM or FM Query. All it offers is THE CURRENT SET OF CALL LETTERS. The most recent call-letter change in Boston was WEDX 101.7. If you go to the FCC website, you'd never see any reference to WFNX or WLYN-FM. You could try the Boston Radio.org station profiles, but they haven't been updated lately: they still have WFNX as the occupant of 101.7. And they have WBUR-FM running 7,200 watts, not 12,000. Laurence, (1) Paragraphs are separated by newlines, not long rows of dots. (2) If you're using " Query", you're doing it wrong. The real data is at . -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 23 16:48:37 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> Message-ID: <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> WBUR could rectify this mistake without adding a single syllable to its TOH ID. All that would be necessary would be to change from saying (I THINK this is how it has been done for years) "1240 WBUR (AM) West Yarmouth" to "AM 1240, WBUR West Yarmouth." However, Eli Polonsky, who works at WBUR, has told me that what we hear on WBUR-FM 90.9 is NOT the legal ID--at least not the legal for WBUR (AM) 1240. That's on a cart or other memory device that fires off on the West Yarmough signal when WBUR-FM 90.9 does its local legal ID (which now includes Tisbury in addition to the Cape Cod FMs). I wonder if it's a union thing that requires WBUR (AM) 1240 to ID separately from WBUR-FM 90.9. The only people who can be bothered by what sounds like an error in the West Yarmouth part of what IS the legal for the Boston FM are a handful of radio geeks like me, but why have the ID sound wrong when it would be so easy to have it sound correct. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > One thing wrong with WBUR's legal ID is they say "AM" between WBUR and > West Yarmouth... No AM stations have "AM" as part of their calls, but it's > a common mistake made by many stations. > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Feb 23 20:57:32 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:57:32 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20777.13060.721037.934063@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20130223190811.26320@gmx.com> <20777.13060.721037.934063@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130223204036.03da98d0@plymouthcolony.net> At 04:22 PM 2/23/2013, Garrett Wollman wrote: >(2) If you're using " Query", you're doing it wrong. The Commission's query pages provide extensive information about stations in a format that is far more useful to me, as a long-time broadcast CE, than trying to access that information through CDBS. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html for AM http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html for FM http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/tv-query-broadcast-station-search for TV In the output pick list choose the "Query" output, which is most detailed and includes CDBS links if you need them. For example, a detailed query output for WBZ provides DA parameters, as well as links to DA pattern data and an E-field pattern plot. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dave@skywaves.net Sat Feb 23 22:14:14 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:14:14 -0500 Subject: FCC "Query" Tools Message-ID: <000401ce123d$063d9fd0$12b8df70$@skywaves.net> I'd have to agree with Dale. For looking up data on a station or three, the Query tools are much quicker to use than CDBS, and they give you quite a bit more info than you can see online for most CDBS applications. Dale Bickel (Radio) and Hossein Hashemzadeh (TV) at the Commission have done a very nice job of maintaining and improving the Query services, which are based on the old download files from the VAX (pre-CDBS) licensing system. One very nice recent addition is scans of the old pre-VAX paper card file records of some stations. There's a lot of very interesting history there. Unfortunately, not all the old card files have been scanned and linked yet, so it's catch-as-catch-can. There are also new links to Broadcast Aux Services, like STLs and RPUs, and to maps and Google KML files. The key to getting this data is to enter the call sign or facility ID, scroll down to the output type selector, and select the third option (Query) in the drop-down box. The only caveat is that many CDBS online displays are live, while the Query tools are created from overnight batch processes. At best then, Query shows you data as of the close of business the previous day. I have noticed in the past (not checked recently) that the FMQuery has run as much as two days behind CDBS, due to the timing of the various batch processes on the servers used to generate the CDBS and VAX download files. Post-2000 applications that were filed in CDBS are available for online viewing, but anything prior to 2000 requires a researcher to pull the app if you want to see it. Even today, 302-AMs (AM license applications) are still filed on paper. So there are degrees of difficulty that can vary significantly from station to station and service to service when you are trying to extract detailed technical data from the CDBS online viewer. It's all there in CDBS, but they haven't brought it out to the public for online viewing. The Query tools fulfill that requirement. So if you want to confirm that an app was granted today, you need to check its status in CDBS. If you need detailed tech info on a station that has not made a technical change since 2000, you need the Query tools. They are both extremely valuable sources. -d -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dale H. Cook Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:58 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID At 04:22 PM 2/23/2013, Garrett Wollman wrote: >(2) If you're using " Query", you're doing it wrong. The Commission's query pages provide extensive information about stations in a format that is far more useful to me, as a long-time broadcast CE, than trying to access that information through CDBS. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html for AM http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html for FM http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/tv-query-broadcast-station-search for TV In the output pick list choose the "Query" output, which is most detailed and includes CDBS links if you need them. For example, a detailed query output for WBZ provides DA parameters, as well as links to DA pattern data and an E-field pattern plot. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dave@skywaves.net Sat Feb 23 22:29:53 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:29:53 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000501ce123f$36375a80$a2a60f80$@skywaves.net> If you want to hear a really long hourly ID, try North Country Public Radio (http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/listen.html). They have 15 primary stations, identified hourly, and 19 translators that are added to the mix at 8AM, noon, and 5PM. -d Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527-0004 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) 650-479-2881 (fax) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Feb 23 23:15:12 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:15:12 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <000501ce123f$36375a80$a2a60f80$@skywaves.net> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> <000501ce123f$36375a80$a2a60f80$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: They ID 34 stations 3 times a day? And i think this is one of their multi station and translator id's: http://audio.bostonradio.org/0db2c729-b5d7-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg Paul On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > If you want to hear a really long hourly ID, try North Country Public Radio > (http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/listen.html). They have 15 > primary > stations, identified hourly, and 19 translators that are added to the mix > at > 8AM, noon, and 5PM. > > -d > > > Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > PO Box 4 > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > 401-354-2400 > 202-370-6357 (DC) > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 23 23:21:59 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:21:59 -0500 Subject: FCC "Query" Tools In-Reply-To: <000401ce123d$063d9fd0$12b8df70$@skywaves.net> References: <000401ce123d$063d9fd0$12b8df70$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <20777.38247.718675.771882@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'd have to agree with Dale. For looking up data on a station or three, the > Query tools are much quicker to use than CDBS, and they give you quite a bit > more info than you can see online for most CDBS applications. Unless, of course, the relevant data is only in CDBS, and either wasn't stored in BAPS or the old BAPS-based tools never had a way to display -- such as call sign history. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 23 23:23:39 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:23:39 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> <000501ce123f$36375a80$a2a60f80$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <20777.38347.669007.942898@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > They ID 34 stations 3 times a day? > And i think this is one of their multi station and translator id's: > http://audio.bostonradio.org/0db2c729-b5d7-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg NCPR is a prime candidate for the sort of automation Minnesota and Wisconsin use, where a contact closure (probably digital now) drives the insertion of a local ID "cart" (probably digital now) at each primary station. -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Feb 24 00:26:27 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:26:27 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: This is a bit of a late reply because I just came back from a cruise on a DIFFERENT ship. We did however watch this story in real time as the ship had satellite fed Fox news. Although the ships are of foreign registry, they are not completely free of safety regulations. Our ship was registered in the Bahamas, but all the safety equipment and procedures on board follow US Coast Guard regulations. This would be needed in order for the ship to sail and dock in US waters and ports. As for the Carnival Triumph, there was an engine fire and the fire suppression systems quickly extinguished it without further damage to the ship and without loss of life or personal injury. Unfortunately, the ship's power is derived from the engine and thus power on board was limited with engine inoperative. It does seems that it was stupid of the ship's designers to not have a more adequate backup power source - or at least to prioritize the ships sanitation system. However, I doubt the safety regulations would be this extensive. If they are found to be in violation or anything, Carnival will face penalties. Those penalties may be the least of their worries as this point in time. I'm not a fan of Carnival, but keep in mind that through their corporation brand "Carnival" and a multitude of other cruise lines that have bought, they have over 100 large cruise ships currently in service. What does that bumper sticker say? s--t happens. In this case, perhaps all too liternally. -Bob On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 2/15/2013 3:28 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Friend at WLS-TV Chicago said same thing happened last night and Carnival >> actually requested the time to offset the news story. >> >> > I recall being told to remove (or re-locate) airline commercials if there > had been a plane crash. But I suppose for Carnivale, they are in PR mode. > Their industry is just about totally unsupervised, and their ships sail > under foreign flags for that very purpose. > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 24 00:49:59 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:49:59 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20777.43527.478168.269790@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Although the ships are of foreign registry, they are not completely > free of safety regulations. Our ship was registered in the Bahamas, > but all the safety equipment and procedures on board follow US Coast > Guard regulations. This would be needed in order for the ship to > sail and dock in US waters and ports. Some cruise ships are U.S.-flag vessels, even those owned by the same company as the big "flag of convenience" cruise brands. Under U.S. law, a foreign-flag vessel may not make consecutive calls at U.S. ports, so a cruise operator who wanted to call at both Juneau and Anchorage, for example, would have to use a U.S.-registered ship, whereas the Boston-Nassau cruises that run in the summer can be Bahamian, Panamanian, Liberian, Norwegian, or indeed any other country's vessels. The choice of flag matters for more than just safety inspection: for the owner of the vessel, the flag country may offer benefits in terms of legal protection, insurance regulations, and so on. It seems to me that I've heard rather less (at least in broadcast advertising) of cruise lines using Panama and Liberia; I suspect that the financial benefits of choosing those flags were outweighed by potential customers being scared off by the third-world flag of convenience. -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Feb 24 01:19:06 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:19:06 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: <20777.43527.478168.269790@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> <20777.43527.478168.269790@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: We may have strayed off topic, but I'll add one more comment (Responding to Garrett's comments). > Some cruise ships are U.S.-flag vessels, even those owned by the same > company as the big "flag of convenience" cruise brands. True > Under U.S. law, a foreign-flag vessel may not make consecutive calls at > U.S. ports, so a cruise operator who wanted to call at both Juneau and > Anchorage, for example, would have to use a U.S.-registered ship, > whereas the Boston-Nassau cruises that run in the summer can be > Bahamian, Panamanian, Liberian, Norwegian, or indeed any other > country's vessels You are referring to the Passenger Vessel Services Act, but this only applies to embarkation-disembarkation, not to just stopping along the way. Since most cruise itineraries pick up and drop off at the same location, it doesn't apply to them. I've been on several cruises (including the one I was just on) where we've stopped consecutive US ports. Check out the itinerary of almost any Alaska cruise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 > The choice of flag matters for more than just > safety inspection: for the owner of the vessel, the flag country may > offer benefits in terms of legal protection, insurance regulations, > and so on. Correct. That flag matters little for safety regulations as USCG will apply to ships operated in US waters. However, it makes a big difference on a number of contractual and liability issues. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 01:27:41 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:27:41 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> On 2/23/2013 8:48 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > If they said "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" that would be legal, but "WBUR-AM, West Yarmouth" is not a legal ID because there is no station whose calls are "WBUR-AM." A service designator is never used as part of the calls of a standard broadcast station, even when the same calls are used by stations in more than one service. For example, WBZ, WBZ-FM and WBZ-TV - the service designators "-FM" and "-TV" are part of those stations calls, but the AM is just "WBZ." > > "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" is a legal ID - see section 73.1201 (b) of the rules and regs for what content is legal in IDs between the calls and the COL. > And yet, in the old days it was quite common to hear IDs along the lines of "WCOP AM and FM, Boston." WBZ even used to say, WBZ, WBZA AM and FM, Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield." That wouldn't be a legal ID by today's rules. Maybe the rules have changed since then. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 02:30:14 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 02:30:14 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. If an AM and FM station with the same exact call letters and same exact city of license are simulcasting, then "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal. On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:27 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/23/2013 8:48 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > > If they said "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" that would be legal, but >> "WBUR-AM, West Yarmouth" is not a legal ID because there is no station >> whose calls are "WBUR-AM." A service designator is never used as part of >> the calls of a standard broadcast station, even when the same calls are >> used by stations in more than one service. For example, WBZ, WBZ-FM and >> WBZ-TV - the service designators "-FM" and "-TV" are part of those stations >> calls, but the AM is just "WBZ." >> >> "WBUR, AM 1240, West Yarmouth" is a legal ID - see section 73.1201 (b) of >> the rules and regs for what content is legal in IDs between the calls and >> the COL. >> >> > And yet, in the old days it was quite common to hear IDs along the lines > of "WCOP AM and FM, Boston." WBZ even used to say, WBZ, WBZA AM and FM, > Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield." That wouldn't be a legal ID by > today's rules. Maybe the rules have changed since then. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 01:32:15 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:32:15 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <08E848353BC64D01B9A52647F528B3DC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5129B3EF.3070508@attorneyross.com> On 2/23/2013 4:48 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I wonder if it's a union thing that requires WBUR (AM) 1240 to ID > separately > from WBUR-FM 90.9. The only people who can be bothered by what sounds > like > an error in the West Yarmouth part of what IS the legal for the Boston FM > are a handful of radio geeks like me, but why have the ID sound wrong > when > it would be so easy to have it sound correct. I suppose it could be, but when I got my first FM radio in December 1958, I remember hearing a separate recorded ID which said, "This is WRKO-FM in Boston" during what was otherwise a simulcast of WNAC. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 24 01:35:26 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:35:26 -0500 Subject: Another amusing faux pas In-Reply-To: References: <511DD027.1070106@attorneyross.com> <97DCE73E-0B15-4971-B6FF-F653D63D58CE@mac.com> <1360956608.254.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <511E9C8D.6040206@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5129B4AE.7090701@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2013 12:26 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > It does seems that it was stupid of the ship's designers to not have a more > adequate backup > power source - or at least to prioritize the ships sanitation system. They must have had some sort of backup power system to be able to signal to get Coast Guard ships to tow them to port. So at least the radio could be used. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 24 02:51:05 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 02:51:05 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. > If an AM and FM station with the same exact call letters and same exact > city of license are simulcasting, then "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be > legal. Not according to 47 CFR 73.1201 it wouldn't. It may have been back when there was a WCOP and a WCOP-FM -- I haven't read the legal ID rules from back then recently. (At that time, there was a separate legal ID rule for each service -- the rules common to all broadcast services had not yet been consolidated.) On the other hand, I doubt that the FCC would initiate an enforcement action against a station for doing an improper legal ID these days, so long as the station correctly identified their call sign and community of license, and the extraneous "other insertions" were kept to a minimum. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 03:22:20 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 03:22:20 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: This clip from WABC in 1969 has a clear ID WABC-AM and FM New York http://www.musicradio77.com/images/greer69.mp3 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said: > > > "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. > > If an AM and FM station with the same exact call letters and same exact > > city of license are simulcasting, then "WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be > > legal. > > Not according to 47 CFR 73.1201 it wouldn't. It may have been back > when there was a WCOP and a WCOP-FM -- I haven't read the legal ID > rules from back then recently. (At that time, there was a separate > legal ID rule for each service -- the rules common to all broadcast > services had not yet been consolidated.) > > On the other hand, I doubt that the FCC would initiate an enforcement > action against a station for doing an improper legal ID these days, so > long as the station correctly identified their call sign and community > of license, and the extraneous "other insertions" were kept to a > minimum. > > -GAWollman > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 03:33:24 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 03:33:24 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: When WRKO launched in March of 1967, they would simulcast 680 on 98.5 from 6 AM to 6 PM. I was at a prep school in Woonsocket where before WRKO/WROR came along we only had WBZ and WPRO. (WICE 1290 was totally nulled out ) Now this may have been an AFTRA thing but after 6 PM the WRKO jock would do a live ID on 98.5 at top of the hour - saying 'This is WROR-FM Boston.' - I can remember Arnie Ginsburg doing that. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Feb 24 09:15:36 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:15:36 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130224091318.03dc4638@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:27 AM 2/24/2013, A Joseph Ross wrote: >And yet, in the old days it was quite common to hear IDs along the lines of "WCOP AM and FM, Boston." WBZ even used to say, WBZ, WBZA AM and FM, Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield." That wouldn't be a legal ID by today's rules. Maybe the rules have changed since then. I have some old reference materials stored away that may shed light on that, but I probably won't have a chance to dig them out until later this week. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Feb 24 09:13:12 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:13:12 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> At 02:30 AM 2/24/2013, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >"WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. According to the rules and regs it is not. There are no such calla as "WCOP-AM," and "AM" is not a frequency, licensee or network. Note also on radio, when identifying multiple stations, the frequency of each must be given in the ID, per 73.1201 (c) (3) (ii). Failure to do so is a violation that I frequently hear. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From mward@iname.com Sun Feb 24 11:09:47 2013 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:09:47 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130224091318.03dc4638@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224091318.03dc4638@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: Here, WNIR 100.1 FM Kent ("The Talk of Akron") used to be WKNT-FM, paired with its daytime AM sister station, WKNT 1520 (now WJMP). In the early days of Howie Chizek's talk show (mid-1970s), I remember him giving a live hourly legal ID going into CBS Radio News... "WKNT AM and FM, Kent, Ohio". WNIR is still licensed to Kent, though they've been targeting nearby Akron since a power boost in the early 1980s. WJMP runs syndicated talk to complement WNIR's local lineup, and the stations haven't simulcast in ages...and Howie passed away recently after a nearly 40 year run at the top. On Feb 24, 2013 10:16 AM, "Dale H. Cook" wrote: > At 01:27 AM 2/24/2013, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > >And yet, in the old days it was quite common to hear IDs along the lines > of "WCOP AM and FM, Boston." WBZ even used to say, WBZ, WBZA AM and FM, > Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield." That wouldn't be a legal ID by > today's rules. Maybe the rules have changed since then. > > I have some old reference materials stored away that may shed light on > that, but I probably won't have a chance to dig them out until later this > week. > > Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 12:47:25 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:47:25 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: > At 02:30 AM 2/24/2013, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >>"WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. > > According to the rules and regs it is not. Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? It doesn't matter...to the listeners, nor the FCC. Yet, people want to play legal technician and discuss this topic on and on. Not just here on B-R-I...but everywhere. It is such a non-issue these days....yet people are contually fascinated by it. Never understood why..... From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 24 13:35:45 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:35:45 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <20778.23937.104190.143447@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? > It doesn't matter...to the listeners, nor the FCC. If it doesn't matter to the FCC, then they have a simple process (which does require 60 days notice in the Federal Register) to eliminate the requirement. Yet, in contrast, the recent changes to 73.1201 have made it more complicated, rather than eliminating what many see as an obsolete requirement. It's hard to reconcile this with the Commission's apathy (catatonia!) on the enforcement side, but I suppose they respond to what members of Congress actually complain about. Of course, if stations no longer had to identify their community of license, many communities would lose the last remaining "service" they receive from those stations. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 24 14:47:21 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:47:21 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <297c3a1b-3162-4623-927c-6add0ac7619e@email.android.com> I can think of worse things to discuss. And it's not like other topics are burning up the bandwidth. Bill O Don wrote: > > >> At 02:30 AM 2/24/2013, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> >>>"WCOP AM and FM Boston" would be legal, as I understand it. >> >> According to the rules and regs it is not. > > >Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? > >It doesn't matter...to the listeners, nor the FCC. > >Yet, people want to play legal technician and discuss this topic on and >on. >Not just here on B-R-I...but everywhere. > >It is such a non-issue these days....yet people are contually >fascinated by >it. > >Never understood why..... -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Feb 24 17:27:08 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:27:08 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:47 PM 2/24/2013, Don Astelle wrote: >Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? In part because, for decades, one of my primary responsibilities at work has been making sure that my employer has no reason to get a pink slip. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 24 17:55:06 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:55:06 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> On 2/24/2013 5:27 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 12:47 PM 2/24/2013, Don Astelle wrote: > >> Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? > > In part because, for decades, one of my primary responsibilities at > work has been making sure that my employer has no reason to get a > pink slip. I've been away from e-mail for most of the weekend and am just catching up on this thread. A few observations, if I may: -There is often a considerable amount of working space between the black-and-white of the FCC's printed rules and the gray area of actual FCC enforcement. Whatever the specific language of 73.1201 may actually have been at any given point in time over the last half-century, the record appears quite clear that in practice, FCC inspectors have never balked at formulations such as "WHDH AM and FM Boston" or "WNYC-AM New York." And when I say "never," I mean that in all of that time, as best I can determine, I can't find a single instance in which the FCC has fined a licensee specifically for improper wording of a legal ID. The only time 73.1201 comes into play, in my experience, has been when the Enforcement Bureau runs across a really bad actor and starts hauling out the rulebook to rack up the list of fines. As long as a licensee is otherwise operating a clean shop, the FCC appears to have zero interest in nitpicking the precise wording of the legal ID. (And to the extent the 73.1201 rules have been made more complex in recent years, it's been some ham-handed wording intended to clarify DTV subchannel simulcasts and HD Radio IDs.) -Public radio stations, for whatever reason, seem to really like the not-quite-proper "WXXX-AM Anytown" ID formation. I don't know why that is; perhaps it traces back to some long-ago programming conference where some consultant suggested it, or perhaps it's because many of those public radio AMs came after their companion "-FM" outlets and thus their programmers felt they needed the "-AM" to differentiate. In any event, the ID I'm supposed to read hourly at work includes "WXXI AM Rochester," and after raising the issue repeatedly during my first few years there, it became clear I was fighting a losing battle. (However, when I'm reading the ID live, it becomes "WXXI, AM 1370, Rochester" and nobody much seems to mind.) -It should be clear by now that amongst those of us who spend a lot of time deep in the weeds of FCC records, there's value to both the "Query" functionality and the CDBS search. However, there's also something to be said for some of the external sites that provide alternate ways to search FCC data. I am particularly fond of FCCInfo.com, which combines much of the functionality of "Query" and the main CDBS search. Of particular relevance to this thread is the way in which FCCInfo pulls up the callsign history: it appears right under the current set of calls at the top of the page once you've searched for a station. It is important to note, however, that the callsign history is incomplete, and woe betide those (like so many mediocre Wikipedia entries) attempting to use it as gospel. Not only does it leave out anything prior to 1978, it also seems to be missing a chunk of data from the early 1990s. It's a valuable resource nonetheless, but should be used as one of many sources if you're trying to compile a complete station history. Other sites that I find useful as alternate points of access to FCC data are RECNet (http://cdbs.recnet.net:8080/fmq.php?), which also allows users to pull up Industry Canada data, and rabbitears.info, specifically for TV. RabbitEars founder Trip Ericson is about to begin working for the FCC itself, believe it or not, so his site might be changing in interesting ways. s From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 25 00:03:17 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:03:17 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <512AF095.6080407@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2013 3:33 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > When WRKO launched in March of 1967, they would simulcast 680 on 98.5 from > 6 AM to 6 PM. > > I was at a prep school in Woonsocket where before WRKO/WROR came along we > only had WBZ and WPRO. (WICE 1290 was totally nulled out ) > > Now this may have been an AFTRA thing but after 6 PM the WRKO jock would do > a live ID on 98.5 at top of the hour - saying 'This is WROR-FM Boston.' - > I can remember Arnie Ginsburg doing that. I remember "WRKO, WRKO-FM" IDs when the stations were simulcasting. The FM didn't become WROR until January 1969. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 25 02:08:42 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:08:42 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <512AF095.6080407@attorneyross.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <20777.50793.838782.199093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <512AF095.6080407@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe you are correct Arnie would say WRKO-FM Boston live On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/24/2013 3:33 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> When WRKO launched in March of 1967, they would simulcast 680 on 98.5 from >> 6 AM to 6 PM. >> >> I was at a prep school in Woonsocket where before WRKO/WROR came along we >> only had WBZ and WPRO. (WICE 1290 was totally nulled out ) >> >> Now this may have been an AFTRA thing but after 6 PM the WRKO jock would >> do >> a live ID on 98.5 at top of the hour - saying 'This is WROR-FM Boston.' - >> I can remember Arnie Ginsburg doing that. > > > I remember "WRKO, WRKO-FM" IDs when the stations were simulcasting. The FM > didn't become WROR until January 1969. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 16:23:44 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:23:44 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> > Whatever the specific language of 73.1201 may actually > have been at any given point in time over the last half-century, the > record appears quite clear that in practice, FCC inspectors have never > balked at formulations such as Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 14:20:09 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <20778.23937.104190.143447@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > < > said: > >> Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? > >> It doesn't matter...to the listeners, nor the FCC. > > If it doesn't matter to the FCC, then they have a simple process > (which does require 60 days notice in the Federal Register) to > eliminate the requirement. > Of course, if stations no longer had to identify their community of > license, many communities would lose the last remaining "service" they > receive from those stations. Not that the legal ID doesn't matter.....the debate about the preciseness of it. Does "WLKW 'AM & FM'" Providence mean anything different that "WLKW and WLKW-FM Providence"? Not to me, not to listeners, not to the FCC enforment officials.......only to policy wonks. But again, why the facination with it? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:31:15 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:31:15 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <20778.23937.104190.143447@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0AE318D9-5855-4D23-9C84-CF22B4A1B83D@gmail.com> Because we can and because this is a radio list. That's why. Paul Walker On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:20 PM, "Don" wrote: > > >> < >> said: >> >>> Why do people have an ongoing fascination with this topic? >> >>> It doesn't matter...to the listeners, nor the FCC. >> >> If it doesn't matter to the FCC, then they have a simple process >> (which does require 60 days notice in the Federal Register) to >> eliminate the requirement. > >> Of course, if stations no longer had to identify their community of >> license, many communities would lose the last remaining "service" they >> receive from those stations. > > > Not that the legal ID doesn't matter.....the debate about the preciseness of it. > > Does "WLKW 'AM & FM'" Providence mean anything different that "WLKW and WLKW-FM Providence"? > > Not to me, not to listeners, not to the FCC enforment officials.......only to policy wonks. > > But again, why the facination with it? > > > From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Feb 25 20:49:30 2013 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:49:30 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more Message-ID: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". I wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) Paul From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Feb 25 21:35:56 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:35:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> Message-ID: <1361846156.70844.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Paul Anderson wrote: >T his afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s".? In fairness, they didn't just start it today -- based on posts at radiodiscussions.com, it sounds like it's been phased in over the past few weeks. It also lines up with what other CBS Radio news stations do. From francini@mac.com Mon Feb 25 21:39:15 2013 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:39:15 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> Message-ID: <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> I've heard it this way for at least the past week. First found out last Wednesday. Hadn't listened to the AM dial in months once WEEI flipped to FM. This puts them in line with WINS 1010, which has done traffic-and-weather-together on the eights for years. john On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson wrote: > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". I wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) > > Paul From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 26 01:05:47 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:05:47 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> Message-ID: <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: > "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" > > Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get a W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- KRPN San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got away with it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 01:15:27 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:15:27 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe, W-KRPN was in Salt Lake City. Paul On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > > Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: >> "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" >> >> Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) >> > > I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always > heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. > > There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that > wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get a > W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- KRPN > San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got away with > it. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Feb 26 00:21:01 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:21:01 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> Message-ID: Sorry but "Traffic and Weather Together on the 8s" is on WCBS 880 WINS has traffic on the 1's with weather every 4 minutes http://newyork.cbslocal.com/station/1010-wins/ Add to the mix, WBBR 1130 has traffic on the 5s On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM, John Francini wrote: > I've heard it this way for at least the past week. First found out last > Wednesday. Hadn't listened to the AM dial in months once WEEI flipped to > FM. This puts them in line with WINS 1010, which has done > traffic-and-weather-together on the eights for years. > > john > > > On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson wrote: > > > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". I > wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) > > > > Paul > > > From francini@mac.com Tue Feb 26 06:37:42 2013 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:37:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> Message-ID: <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> Oops. Sorry, that's right. My bad. -- John Francini "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress. And by God I have had *this* Congress!" --John Adams On Feb 26, 2013, at 0:21, Ron Bello wrote: > Sorry but "Traffic and Weather Together on the 8s" is on WCBS 880 > > WINS has traffic on the 1's with weather every 4 minutes > http://newyork.cbslocal.com/station/1010-wins/ > > Add to the mix, WBBR 1130 has traffic on the 5s > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM, John Francini wrote: >> I've heard it this way for at least the past week. First found out last Wednesday. Hadn't listened to the AM dial in months once WEEI flipped to FM. This puts them in line with WINS 1010, which has done traffic-and-weather-together on the eights for years. >> >> john >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson wrote: >> >> > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". I wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) >> > >> > Paul > From irw@well.com Tue Feb 26 07:30:26 2013 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:30:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1140065379.15308.1361881826630.JavaMail.root@well.com> I don't know if the FCC ever cited WGTZ. The text is a little different than what Don wrote, but he has the right idea. If you want to hear for yourself, here's how WGTZ sounded in its heyday: http://www.tophour.com/audio/Dayton%20OH/fm0929_1996-06_wgtz_bthompson.mp3 (RIP Keith Eubanks...) - Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05:47 AM Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" > > Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. [...] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 08:58:51 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:58:51 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <1140065379.15308.1361881826630.JavaMail.root@well.com> References: <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> <1140065379.15308.1361881826630.JavaMail.root@well.com> Message-ID: Why would WGTZ have been cited for this? I don't see anything wrong with it. But again, Im not the FCC. .and everyone knows my opinions aren't always right .lol. Paul On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Blaine Thompson wrote: > I don't know if the FCC ever cited WGTZ. The text is a little different > than what Don wrote, but he has the right idea. > > If you want to hear for yourself, here's how WGTZ sounded in its heyday: > http://www.tophour.com/audio/Dayton%20OH/fm0929_1996-06_wgtz_bthompson.mp3 > > (RIP Keith Eubanks...) > > - Blaine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Joseph Ross" > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05:47 AM > Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > > > Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: > "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" > > > > Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) > > I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always > heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. > > [...] > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 08:36:47 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:36:47 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net><512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: More than a decade or so ago, the AM 930 in Rochester NH would ID as KOST (not in legal IDs, of course). The legal ID, which you could hear if you listened closely at the right time each hour, was WKOS Rochester. The NH station, which is owned by CCU, no longer has the WKOS calls. I don't know what the current calls are (maybe part of the WGIx series that CCU uses on several NH AMs), but I don't think CCU is any longer playing such games with its NH AM calls. However, back when the NH 930 was non-IDing as KOST, there was also a legitimate KOST (FM)--I believe in Los Angeles. I don't know whether or not the LA station was or is owned by CCU, but, IIRC, it still has the KOST calls. If the LA station is not owned by CCU, the fact that a non co-owned station could use its calls in a fake "non-ID" demonstrates that, as long as the fake ID is not the legal ID, just about anything goes. I suppose that means the NH station, which, AFAIK, never--even in fake IDs--IDed as KOST Rochester, was not supposed to say KOST Rochester during the period near the TOH when it broadcast legal IDs. (The times I heard it, the KOST non-ID was never followed by a CoL.) Is there an FCC rule that covers when it is NOT OK to use a fake ID? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05 AM Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > >> Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: >> "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" >> >> Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) > > I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always > heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. > > There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that > wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get a > W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- > KRPN San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got away > with it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 08:50:10 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:50:10 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net><5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> Message-ID: Are you sure the title of the posting is correct? I'm not. I believe that WBZ continues to run Traffic on the Threes and Weather on the Tens in drive time (probably 5:00AM to 9:00AM and 4:00PM to 7:00PM) and is doing Traffic and Weather Together on the Threes during other dayparts when they don't run two-way talk. I've never tried to figure out the algorithm for the talk hours: 8:00PM to 5:00AM. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- >> On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson wrote: >> >> > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". >> > I >> wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) >> > >> > Paul From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Feb 26 09:37:27 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:37:27 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: For a while (maybe still) WKLB was using a jingle that said "Country 102.5, WKLB Boston". This would even happen at the top of the hour. However, shortly before that same hour, you would hear a quickly spoken "Country 102.5 is WKLB-FM Waltham Boston" amongst another jingle. -Bob On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > More than a decade or so ago, the AM 930 in Rochester NH would ID as KOST > (not in legal IDs, of course). The legal ID, which you could hear if you > listened closely at the right time each hour, was WKOS Rochester. The NH > station, which is owned by CCU, no longer has the WKOS calls. I don't know > what the current calls are (maybe part of the WGIx series that CCU uses on > several NH AMs), but I don't think CCU is any longer playing such games > with > its NH AM calls. However, back when the NH 930 was non-IDing as KOST, there > was also a legitimate KOST (FM)--I believe in Los Angeles. I don't know > whether or not the LA station was or is owned by CCU, but, IIRC, it still > has the KOST calls. If the LA station is not owned by CCU, the fact that a > non co-owned station could use its calls in a fake "non-ID" demonstrates > that, as long as the fake ID is not the legal ID, just about anything goes. > I suppose that means the NH station, which, AFAIK, never--even in fake > IDs--IDed as KOST Rochester, was not supposed to say KOST Rochester during > the period near the TOH when it broadcast legal IDs. (The times I heard > it, the KOST non-ID was never followed by a CoL.) Is there an FCC rule that > covers when it is NOT OK to use a fake ID? > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05 AM > > Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > > > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: >> >> Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: >>> "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" >>> >>> Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) >>> >> >> I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always >> heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. >> >> There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that >> wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get a >> W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- >> KRPN San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got away >> with it. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 09:45:45 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:45:45 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: And several years ago, I recall hearing "wkxwfmtrentonwixmmillville" , a 2 station legal id squeezed into about 1 1/2 seconds. I guess that's not really deception since they did state proper calls and COL, unlike some of what we're discussing here.. but I guess if stations that do that get away with it, it's perfectly ok for a jingle to say "WKLB Boston" at top of hour as long as they do legally id within the "allowed time frame". Oh dear god, I've opened another can of worms with the "legally id with the allowed time frame" comment LOL On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > For a while (maybe still) WKLB was using a jingle that said > "Country 102.5, WKLB Boston". > > This would even happen at the top of the hour. However, shortly > before that same hour, you would hear a quickly spoken "Country > 102.5 is WKLB-FM Waltham Boston" amongst another jingle. > > > -Bob > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Dan.Strassberg >wrote: > > > More than a decade or so ago, the AM 930 in Rochester NH would ID as KOST > > (not in legal IDs, of course). The legal ID, which you could hear if you > > listened closely at the right time each hour, was WKOS Rochester. The NH > > station, which is owned by CCU, no longer has the WKOS calls. I don't > know > > what the current calls are (maybe part of the WGIx series that CCU uses > on > > several NH AMs), but I don't think CCU is any longer playing such games > > with > > its NH AM calls. However, back when the NH 930 was non-IDing as KOST, > there > > was also a legitimate KOST (FM)--I believe in Los Angeles. I don't know > > whether or not the LA station was or is owned by CCU, but, IIRC, it still > > has the KOST calls. If the LA station is not owned by CCU, the fact that > a > > non co-owned station could use its calls in a fake "non-ID" demonstrates > > that, as long as the fake ID is not the legal ID, just about anything > goes. > > I suppose that means the NH station, which, AFAIK, never--even in fake > > IDs--IDed as KOST Rochester, was not supposed to say KOST Rochester > during > > the period near the TOH when it broadcast legal IDs. (The times I heard > > it, the KOST non-ID was never followed by a CoL.) Is there an FCC rule > that > > covers when it is NOT OK to use a fake ID? > > > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" > > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05 AM > > > > Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > > > > > > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > >> > >> Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: > >>> "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" > >>> > >>> Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) > >>> > >> > >> I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always > >> heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. > >> > >> There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that > >> wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get > a > >> W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- > >> KRPN San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got > away > >> with it. > >> > >> -- > >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > >> > >> > > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 09:22:27 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:22:27 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net><512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com><3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035><512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <6ECC41C0C633413B87DAAEA7A04DF061@AX229443> I've always wondered why AM stations seem content to be identified by their call letters, but many FM stations seem embarrassed to even say them once an hour. So we have WRKO, WEEI, and WBZ proclaiming their call letters every couple of minutes, but on FM we have AMP and Kiss and Jam'n and Mix and we only hear the call letters when the government requires it. Even when WTKK was a talk station, for a long time their official ID was the two whispering females that could barely be heard. And aside from 1510 and 1150, stations on AM seem to keep their call letters indefinitely, whereas on FM they change them like most people change their undies. I am really surprised that 103.3 has not yet changed their call letters. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Feb 26 10:02:17 2013 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:02:17 -0500 Subject: FW: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <3AB3CDC720ED4C12B535D3D21D1C25BD@AX229443> When the 95.3 in York Center ME was WCQL-FM, and the 1380 in Portsmouth NH was WCQL, the FM ID was buried in the weather forecast at 10 before the hour ("...right now in Portsmouth it's 35 degrees and at WCQL-FM York Center it's 36") whereas at the top of the hour, the orchestra and chorus would elaborately announce o/"WCQL....Portsmouth"/o -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob DeMattia Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:37 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID For a while (maybe still) WKLB was using a jingle that said "Country 102.5, WKLB Boston". This would even happen at the top of the hour. However, shortly before that same hour, you would hear a quickly spoken "Country 102.5 is WKLB-FM Waltham Boston" amongst another jingle. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 10:39:04 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:39:04 -0500 Subject: FW: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <3AB3CDC720ED4C12B535D3D21D1C25BD@AX229443> References: <3AB3CDC720ED4C12B535D3D21D1C25BD@AX229443> Message-ID: When I worked in Central Florida as a Producer/Station "Manager", I did my legal ID like this.. "And that's your Brevard County Traffic & Weather Together.. your WTIR Cocoa Beach Temperature is currently 85 degrees, CNN Headline News returns in 60 seconds" Paul On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > When the 95.3 in York Center ME was WCQL-FM, and the 1380 in Portsmouth NH > was WCQL, the FM ID was buried in the weather forecast at 10 before the > hour > ("...right now in Portsmouth it's 35 degrees and at WCQL-FM York Center > it's > 36") whereas at the top of the hour, the orchestra and chorus would > elaborately announce o/"WCQL....Portsmouth"/o > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Bob DeMattia > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:37 AM > To: Boston Radio Interest Mailing List > Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > > For a while (maybe still) WKLB was using a jingle that said > "Country 102.5, WKLB Boston". > > This would even happen at the top of the hour. However, shortly > before that same hour, you would hear a quickly spoken "Country > 102.5 is WKLB-FM Waltham Boston" amongst another jingle. > > > From keithlavon@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 09:01:09 2013 From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:01:09 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> Message-ID: Interesting, but this morning at 8:40 they did weather and 8:43 they did traffic. No mention of Traffic & Weather Together. I do know for the record that CBS Radio/WBZ does own "Traffic & Weather Together" because I was at 890 ESPN (WAMG/WLLH) when we were told we could no longer say that. WTOP in Washington DC is also Traffic & Weather Together on the 3's. Keith On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:37 AM, John Francini wrote: > Oops. Sorry, that's right. My bad. > > -- > John Francini > "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; > that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress. > And by God I have had *this* Congress!" --John Adams > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 0:21, Ron Bello wrote: > > > Sorry but "Traffic and Weather Together on the 8s" is on WCBS 880 > > > > WINS has traffic on the 1's with weather every 4 minutes > > http://newyork.cbslocal.com/station/1010-wins/ > > > > Add to the mix, WBBR 1130 has traffic on the 5s > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM, John Francini wrote: > >> I've heard it this way for at least the past week. First found out last > Wednesday. Hadn't listened to the AM dial in months once WEEI flipped to > FM. This puts them in line with WINS 1010, which has done > traffic-and-weather-together on the eights for years. > >> > >> john > >> > >> > >> On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson > wrote: > >> > >> > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the 3s". > I wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) > >> > > >> > Paul > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Feb 26 11:01:15 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:01:15 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> Message-ID: WBZ 1030 website program schedule says "All News, Traffic & Weather Together on the 3s " 5AM to 8PM. Weird. Maybe someone didn't get the memo. -Bob On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Keith Lavon wrote: > Interesting, but this morning at 8:40 they did weather and 8:43 they did > traffic. No mention of Traffic & Weather Together. > > I do know for the record that CBS Radio/WBZ does own "Traffic & Weather > Together" because I was at 890 ESPN (WAMG/WLLH) when we were told we could > no longer say that. > > WTOP in Washington DC is also Traffic & Weather Together on the 3's. > > Keith > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:37 AM, John Francini wrote: > > > Oops. Sorry, that's right. My bad. > > > > -- > > John Francini > > "I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; > > that two are called a law firm; and that three or more become a Congress. > > And by God I have had *this* Congress!" --John Adams > > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 0:21, Ron Bello wrote: > > > > > Sorry but "Traffic and Weather Together on the 8s" is on WCBS 880 > > > > > > WINS has traffic on the 1's with weather every 4 minutes > > > http://newyork.cbslocal.com/station/1010-wins/ > > > > > > Add to the mix, WBBR 1130 has traffic on the 5s > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM, John Francini > wrote: > > >> I've heard it this way for at least the past week. First found out > last > > Wednesday. Hadn't listened to the AM dial in months once WEEI flipped to > > FM. This puts them in line with WINS 1010, which has done > > traffic-and-weather-together on the eights for years. > > >> > > >> john > > >> > > >> > > >> On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Paul Anderson > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > This afternoon they started "Traffic and Weather Together on the > 3s". > > I wonder what they're doing at :10 now. ;-) > > >> > > > >> > Paul > > > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:49:23 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:49:23 -0500 Subject: FW: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <3AB3CDC720ED4C12B535D3D21D1C25BD@AX229443> Message-ID: The legal ID is calls and city but some stations add other towns or cities after it; "WNEF Newburyport-Amesbury", well up to "Newburyport" that's legal and they threw in Amesbury (where their stick is) but how about this (approximation) Only "WORK Barre" was necessary but they said "WORK Barre-Montpelier-Plainfield-Williamstown-Northfield" (etc.) The calls are now WRFK (and they have the Frank format) From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Feb 26 10:53:50 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> Message-ID: <1361894030.65438.YahooMailNeo@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Keith Lavon wrote: > WTOP in Washington DC is also Traffic & Weather Together on the 3's. WTOP is traffic/weather at :08. WNEW-FM in DC is traffic at :01 and weather is billed as every four minutes (when in reality it's sometimes two or three). From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:03:05 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:03:05 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more In-Reply-To: References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net> <5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com> <1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> Message-ID: They probably stick to top and bottom of the hour only during the talk hours, maybe only just the TOH. By the way WEEI was mentioned; I think one of the things they did when they converted to sports radio years ago was get rid of any traffic reports or weather forecasts. And certainly no newscasts, just sports headlines. One notable exception was on 9/11 when I they were running ABC News coverage of the disaster in NY (and later, elsewhere). Years ago Steve Leveille used to do things like the lottery numbers and a brief sports update at the bottom of the hour. Those with satellite radio have channels for various cities doing 'T&W together'; in our case Boston shares time with Pittsburgh and Philly on one channel. Boston is one past the hour. (btw am recording some WNBP for a friend, actually off their webstream, and I guess they are now running "NBC News Radio" (Dial Global) at the top of the hour. From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 26 12:11:49 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:11:49 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> <1140065379.15308.1361881826630.JavaMail.root@well.com> Message-ID: <512CECD5.3010105@fybush.com> On 2/26/2013 8:58 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Why would WGTZ have been cited for this? I don't see anything wrong with it. As I've said repeatedly, there are two sets of FCC rules. There's the black-and-white text in the Code of Federal Regulations, and then there's the unwritten set of interpretations (the penumbra, if you will) that's built on years of citations and appeals and rulemaking procedures and, often, simply whatever mood an FCC inspector finds himself in on a given day. There was a time when the FCC looked beyond the black-and-white "calls and city of license" in 73.1201 and did not allow stations to append any other cities after the legal ID. This never, as far as I know, appeared in print in the rules, but it was nevertheless enforced in the field. Whether or not Great Trails ever got cited for "Eaton Dayton Alive" in the early 1980s, we know that Gordon McLendon *did* get brushback from the FCC around 1961 for "KABL Oakland, in the air everywhere over San Francisco." Same thing with the use of fake calls. There was a time when an inspector would be quick to cite a station for using a set of calls not on its license at ANY time during the hour. The printed rules may not have changed since then, but the real-world rules have: the FCC simply doesn't care these days whether you call yourself "WQQQ" 23 times an hour as long as you use your legal "WRRR" at the top. Some of the change in FCC interpretation probably has to do with the Commission's own move away from using the callsign as the unique identifier for a station; today, it's the facility ID number in CDBS that matters more. (Which brings us back around to "WKRP": the station in question was actually KRPN 107.9 in Roy, Utah, just north of Salt Lake, and they did for a time call themselves "WKRP in Salt Lake City," presumably with that "Roy" COL inserted at the top of the hour.) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 26 13:51:35 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:51:35 -0500 Subject: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more References: <45C32CEC-E50F-41EF-8721-54E9E01ED7C6@charter.net><5E2B4991-2C58-4609-95A8-371F899AB81F@mac.com><1F1477EC-FEA2-493A-8C88-8C29CE944494@mac.com> <1361894030.65438.YahooMailNeo@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You know, there's nothing impossible about having Weather on the Tens and Traffic and Weather Together on the Threes... in the same hour... Every hour... Just means that, after the weather part of Traffic and Weather on the Threes, you've gotta wait six or so minutes for the next weather. It's really quite similar to what WBZ has been doing for years, except they have been running Weather on the Five's in addition to the advertised Weather on the Tens. The weather on the five's is voiced by the local news voices; the weather on the tens is voiced by the Accu-Weather folks in State College PA. (I can't figure out why 1200's 24/7 Comedy has no weather. They DO have traffic. I figure that there are at least as many people who care about the weather as care about the traffic. Why would weather be a tune-out in an all-comedy format? Who was in the focus group that decided on no weather? Cave dwellers? Even cave dwellers would be likely to care about flood warnings!) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Keith Lavon" ; "John Francini" Cc: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: WBZ Weather on the 10s no more > Keith Lavon wrote: >> WTOP in Washington DC is also Traffic & Weather Together on the 3's. > > > WTOP is traffic/weather at :08. > > WNEW-FM in DC is traffic at :01 and weather is billed as every four > minutes (when in reality it's sometimes two or three). From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 26 20:37:56 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:37:56 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> Message-ID: <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> Just found out that Wilmer Swartley, former GM at WBZ for many years, died on 23 January at age 104. I didn't know that he had passed-- I don't recall seeing any obits. He was an amazing guy, and totally sharp until the end. When we honored him several years ago at the Mass. Broadcasters Hall of Fame, people were stunned at how much he remembered and how much of a repository of information he was. He will be missed. From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 26 21:35:11 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:35:11 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <512D70DF.4050709@fybush.com> On 2/26/2013 8:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just found out that Wilmer Swartley, former GM at WBZ for many years, > died on 23 January at age 104. I didn't know that he had passed-- I > don't recall seeing any obits. He was an amazing guy, and totally sharp > until the end. When we honored him several years ago at the Mass. > Broadcasters Hall of Fame, people were stunned at how much he remembered > and how much of a repository of information he was. He will be missed. Turns out there was a small notice in the Globe back on 1/31 that we all missed: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=162729196 I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Swartley a few years back when he was still living in a nursing home in Needham (right next door to channel 5!) He was indeed an amazing gentleman, and the last link to a now gone era of Westinghouse. s From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 26 21:40:43 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:40:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <1361932843.16234.YahooMailClassic@web184903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The Buckley AM simulcast in CT has a long ID - "This is the Talk of Connecticut. WDRC and WDRC-FM HD3 Hartford. WMMW Meriden. WSNG Torrington. WWCO Waterbury." In the early 70s, WEEI was simulcasted on the FM overnights and morning drive.? Legal ID was "WEEI and WEEI-FM Boston." KC101 had this ID in the early 80s - (a whisper within the ramp of the jingle) - WKCI Hamden - New Haven. (sing) KC101. Connecticut!!! From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 22:41:20 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:41:20 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: <1361932843.16234.YahooMailClassic@web184903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1361932843.16234.YahooMailClassic@web184903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Back when the WDRC-AM Network was running music, the jock on the air had seperate ID's recorded for each station.. I remember hearing Jack Carney do a stand alone WMMW Meriden ID and a WWCO Waterbury ID. Paul On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Bill Dillane wrote: > The Buckley AM simulcast in CT has a long ID - > "This is the Talk of Connecticut. WDRC and WDRC-FM HD3 Hartford. WMMW > Meriden. WSNG Torrington. WWCO Waterbury." > > In the early 70s, WEEI was simulcasted on the FM overnights and morning > drive. Legal ID was "WEEI and WEEI-FM Boston." > > KC101 had this ID in the early 80s - > (a whisper within the ramp of the jingle) - WKCI Hamden - New Haven. > (sing) KC101. Connecticut!!! > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Feb 26 22:48:28 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:48:28 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: <512D70DF.4050709@fybush.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> <512D70DF.4050709@fybush.com> Message-ID: Here is a more extensive obituary from the funeral home: http://www.greenhillsmortuary.com/obituary/Wilmer-Swartley/West-Newton/1172093 On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Turns out there was a small notice in the Globe back on 1/31 that we all > missed: > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:25:45 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:25:45 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=162729196#fbLoggedOut On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just found out that Wilmer Swartley, former GM at WBZ for many years, died > on 23 January at age 104. I didn't know that he had passed-- I don't > recall seeing any obits. He was an amazing guy, and totally sharp until > the end. When we honored him several years ago at the Mass. Broadcasters > Hall of Fame, people were stunned at how much he remembered and how much of > a repository of information he was. He will be missed. > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:28:07 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:28:07 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: More at length http://www.greenhillsmortuary.com/obituary/Wilmer-Swartley/West-Newton/1172093 Retired in 1969 - that is the way to enjoy life. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=162729196#fbLoggedOut > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Just found out that Wilmer Swartley, former GM at WBZ for many years, >> died on 23 January at age 104. I didn't know that he had passed-- I don't >> recall seeing any obits. He was an amazing guy, and totally sharp until >> the end. When we honored him several years ago at the Mass. Broadcasters >> Hall of Fame, people were stunned at how much he remembered and how much of >> a repository of information he was. He will be missed. >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 00:52:40 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:52:40 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com> <20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net> <5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net> <512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com> <3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035> <512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <512D9F28.8090701@attorneyross.com> On 2/26/2013 1:15 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Joe, W-KRPN was in Salt Lake City. OK, thanks. I'll try to remember that next time I'm moved to tell the story. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 27 03:07:54 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:07:54 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg Message-ID: Fri at 12:01 am, Matty's Comedy will cease on WXKS 1200 and it will switch to Bloomberg business radio. The comedy will stay on WXKS-FM 107.9's HD2. Business radio will also be on 94.5's HD2... since we know about 1200's limitations. Donna is quoted talking about older audiences still listening to AM, "so it might be a good move". http://bostonherald.com/business/business_markets/2013/02/new_format_for_clear_channel_s_wxks Some on Facebook said they wished 1200's signal were better. Now they'll have to listen only online (iHeart, maybe TuneIn) or get an hd radio From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Feb 26 21:57:40 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:57:40 -0500 Subject: Wilmer "Bill" Swartley In-Reply-To: <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> <512D6374.2070501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna- Which years was he GM @ BZ ? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just found out that Wilmer Swartley, former GM at WBZ for many years, died > on 23 January at age 104. I didn't know that he had passed-- I don't > recall seeing any obits. He was an amazing guy, and totally sharp until > the end. When we honored him several years ago at the Mass. Broadcasters > Hall of Fame, people were stunned at how much he remembered and how much of > a repository of information he was. He will be missed. > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Feb 27 07:06:19 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:06:19 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From the article: *"WXKS, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications, has gone through several AM formats, including progressive talk and comedy, said Donna Halper"* Progressive Talk? -Bob From ehennessy@verizon.net Wed Feb 27 07:07:06 2013 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:07:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <6326380.1198548.1361966826520.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> This reminds me of the recent discussion on cities listed in legal IDs. If I recall correctly, WKSS's city of license is Hartford-Meriden. It's not simply Hartford, and it's not just because their stick is on West Peak (or else WDRC-FM, WHCN, and WZMX would be licensed the same way, and they are not), nor is it because they want to link to Meriden (if anything, they'd likely use another city, like New Haven, given the choice). Anyone know the history on that one? If it was for 'local service' reasons, then why not just WKSS Meriden? Ed Hennessy On 02/26/13, Bill Dillane wrote: KC101 had this ID in the early 80s - (a whisper within the ramp of the jingle) - WKCI Hamden - New Haven. (sing) KC101. Connecticut!!! From ehennessy@verizon.net Wed Feb 27 07:09:38 2013 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:09:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) Message-ID: <12934635.1198696.1361966978594.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> This reminds me of the recent discussion on cities listed in legal IDs. If I recall correctly, WKSS's city of license is Hartford-Meriden. It's not simply Hartford, and it's not just because their stick is on West Peak (or else WDRC-FM, WHCN, and WZMX would be licensed the same way, and they are not), nor is it because they want to link to Meriden (if anything, they'd likely use another city, like New Haven, given the choice). Anyone know the history on that one? If it was for 'local service' reasons, then why not just WKSS Meriden? Ed Hennessy On 02/26/13, Bill Dillane wrote: KC101 had this ID in the early 80s - (a whisper within the ramp of the jingle) - WKCI Hamden - New Haven. (sing) KC101. Connecticut!!! From ehennessy@verizon.net Wed Feb 27 07:27:17 2013 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:27:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID Message-ID: <9847027.1199902.1361968037093.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Back in the late '80s when I ran the board on weekends at 990 WLKW, the AM was running separate automation and its own spot load (though probably the same ones in the same rotation) from the FM, which was more fully 'live.' The AM automation only ran the reel-to-reel machines. I started and stopped the reel system and ran the spots and IDs. I had carts of slogan IDs from the on-air FM announcers, which ran out of the spots and back into automation during breaks. I'd just match those to whomever was on the FM that day. IIRC, none of them were legal IDs, though. Near the top of the hour, I'd pot down the AM music/automation at a logical break and pot up the FM audio to run over 990's air as well. The FM announcer would do the ID live for both AM and FM, and when he finished the top of the hour stuff (weather, spots, a bit of chatter) and went back to music, I'd re-start the AM automation for the next hour. I forget the actual wording used in the ID, though. I think it may have given both calls separately, like "990 AM WLKW Providence, 101.5 WLKW-FM Providence." Ed Hennessy On 02/26/13, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: Back when the WDRC-AM Network was running music, the jock on the air had seperate ID's recorded for each station.. I remember hearing Jack Carney do a stand alone WMMW Meriden ID and a WWCO Waterbury ID. Paul From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 27 08:45:05 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:45:05 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> On 2/27/2013 7:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > From the article: > *"WXKS, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications, has gone through > several AM formats, including progressive talk and comedy, said Donna > Halper"* > There was a brief period where WXKS did in fact broadcast Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, etc. 2005, as I recall. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 27 08:47:53 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:47:53 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg, PS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512E0E89.2090600@donnahalper.com> On 2/27/2013 7:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > From the article: > *"WXKS, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications, has gone through > several AM formats, including progressive talk and comedy, said Donna > Halper"* The original comment was about all the format changes on 1200 and 1430. Usually situation-- you talk to the reporter for a while, they condense your comments, life goes on. I mentioned Rush Radio, I mentioned all joke radio, etc. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Feb 27 09:31:55 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:31:55 -0500 Subject: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) In-Reply-To: <12934635.1198696.1361966978594.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> References: <12934635.1198696.1361966978594.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Message-ID: And WLBE 790 is legally licensed to Leesburg.. two towns about 5 miles apart north of Orlando, FL. Paul On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Ed Hennessy wrote: > This reminds me of the recent discussion on cities listed in legal IDs. > > If I recall correctly, WKSS's city of license is Hartford-Meriden. It's > not simply Hartford, and it's not just because their stick is on West Peak > (or else WDRC-FM, WHCN, and WZMX would be licensed the same way, and they > are not), nor is it because they want to link to Meriden (if anything, > they'd likely use another city, like New Haven, given the choice). Anyone > know the history on that one? If it was for 'local service' reasons, then > why not just WKSS Meriden? > > Ed Hennessy > > > On 02/26/13, Bill Dillane wrote: > > KC101 had this ID in the early 80s - > (a whisper within the ramp of the jingle) - WKCI Hamden - New Haven. > (sing) KC101. Connecticut!!! > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 27 10:16:27 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:16:27 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: CC had prog talk on what was then WKOX 1200 and WXKS 1430 from Oct of 2004 to Dec of 2006. They had various formats after that; in Jan. of 2010 we found out that a couple months later, 1200 would flip to conservative talk and the call letters of the stations were flip flopped. (Rush Radio/Talk 1200 was March of '10 till last August I believe) On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 2/27/2013 7:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >> > From the article: >> *"WXKS, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications, has gone through >> several AM formats, including progressive talk and comedy, said Donna >> Halper"* >> > > There was a brief period where WXKS did in fact broadcast Ed Schultz, > Stephanie Miller, etc. 2005, as I recall. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Feb 27 10:35:51 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:35:51 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg, PS In-Reply-To: <512E0E89.2090600@donnahalper.com> References: <512E0E89.2090600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification. It did seem a bit strange that it didn't mention the Spanish or conservative programming. I guess there's no controlling what reporters or editors might do :) -Bob On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 2/27/2013 7:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> > From the article: >> *"WXKS, which is owned by Clear Channel Communications, has gone through >> several AM formats, including progressive talk and comedy, said Donna >> Halper"* >> > > The original comment was about all the format changes on 1200 and 1430. > Usually situation-- you talk to the reporter for a while, they condense > your comments, life goes on. I mentioned Rush Radio, I mentioned all joke > radio, etc. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 27 11:30:52 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:30:52 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg, PS In-Reply-To: References: <512E0E89.2090600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <512E34BC.4030705@donnahalper.com> On 2/27/2013 10:35 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. It did seem a bit strange that it didn't > mention the Spanish or conservative programming. I guess there's no > controlling what reporters or editors might do :) > Actually, I am always happy to be quoted, and the reporter was a very nice guy. But the original conversation was about changes that Clear Channel had made at their AM stations, and we discussed various format changes. That ended up getting really, really shortened. I stand by my larger point though-- with so many AM stations doing the same thing (sports, religion, ethnic radio-- subjects also not included in the reporter's piece), doing local business might actually be a good niche. From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Feb 27 12:06:29 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (ssmyth@psualum.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:06:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg Message-ID: <1361984789.27608.iosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It sounds like they'll have a bit of local content. I do wonder if they'll have any locally originated programming or if it will just be inserts into the Bloomberg network. Also sounds like Bloomberg is running the station via LMA?


Sent from my iPhone From dillane@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 27 17:45:36 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) Message-ID: <1362005136.38419.YahooMailClassic@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >...WKSS's city of license is Hartford-Meriden. It's not simply Hartford... Anyone know the history on that one? If it was for 'local service' reasons, then why not just WKSS Meriden? The station was originally WMMW-FM, Meriden.? It later became WBMI in Meriden until 1971.? It then became beautiful music WKSS, with a move to Hartford.? I can't remember when the station started IDing as Hartford-Meriden, but usually when a station adds a larger city to an ID, the original city is mentioned first (like WWYZ Waterbury, Hartford).? Don't know how the Hartford-Meriden thing happened. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 27 22:47:49 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:47:49 -0500 Subject: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) In-Reply-To: <1362005136.38419.YahooMailClassic@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1362005136.38419.YahooMailClassic@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20782.54117.264705.567828@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The station was originally WMMW-FM, Meriden.? It later became WBMI > in Meriden until 1971.? It then became beautiful music WKSS, with a > move to Hartford.? I can't remember when the station started IDing > as Hartford-Meriden, but usually when a station adds a larger city > to an ID, the original city is mentioned first (like WWYZ Waterbury, > Hartford).? Don't know how the Hartford-Meriden thing happened. WWYZ is a completely different animal. The city listed on WWYZ's license is "Waterbury", period. On WKSS's, however, it says "Hartford-Meriden". There was a time when the FCC explicitly allowed stations to have multiple communities of license. This was abolished long in the past. (I suspect this was no later than the time of Docket 80-90, but haven't checked the old rules to see.) The station had to meet the community-service rules as then existed for both communities, but in exchange was allowed to have its main studio in either one. Of course, both communities had to be mentioned, and if you go back far enough, mentioning any other community as a part of the station ID was prohibited. Sometimes, channels were allotted to hyphenated communities (e.g., "Albany-Schenectady" in New York), but this meant that an applicant could choose either city, and was used more in television than radio anyway. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 27 23:58:54 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:58:54 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> On 2/27/2013 8:45 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > There was a brief period where WXKS did in fact broadcast Ed Schultz, > Stephanie Miller, etc. 2005, as I recall. I believe it started in 2004, during the election campaign. They also carried Al Franken. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 28 02:02:33 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 02:02:33 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Air America and Clear Channel has a huge stage in Copley Sq on Election Night 2004 - and in late afternoon they were expecting a Kerry victory party. CC actually spent a lot of money promoting 1200/1430 CC blew up 1430 for Air America and that put WJIB-740 on the map 1430 had a very popular morning host with seniors back then and his name escapes me. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/27/2013 8:45 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > > There was a brief period where WXKS did in fact broadcast Ed Schultz, >> Stephanie Miller, etc. 2005, as I recall. >> > > I believe it started in 2004, during the election campaign. They also > carried Al Franken. > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Feb 28 11:33:17 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:33:17 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The transition tonight from comedy to financial on 1200 ought to be done with Monty Python's "Money Song": "But I love money. All money. (sings) I've got...90 thousand pounds in my pajamas, I've got 40 thousand French francs in my fridge." Barry Armstrong (WRKO etc.) welcomes the competition http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2013/02/wrko_s_armstrong_welcomes_competition_from_bloomberg_radio For all the talk about 55+ being an undesirable demo, Armstrong says, "?A lot of people say, ?Who wants to be highly ranked among 55-year-old men?? You know what, 55-year-old men and women have all the wealth in this country and we do really well there." Clark Smidt also had high hopes for the new format on a post via his facebook. As for the Boston Progressive Talk airing on both 1200 and 1430, it started around Oct 4, 2004 or so (Fybush's NERW issue for that date mentions it and the name of the popular standards DJ was Bill Wightman, as mentioned there). I think the weekend before they ran a stunt loop (clips from an Al Franken audiobook, Neil Young's "Rockin' in a Free World", etc.) with the format probably starting on Mon. Oct 4, 2004. >>The new format replaces standards on WXKS (where we hear some tears were shed as morning man Bill Wightman said farewell to his audience last week) and Spanish religion on WKOX. http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2004/041004/nerw.html Donna heard about the end of the format in early Dec. of 2006; it ceased a few days before Christmas. (Thu Dec 21 of '06 according to the Christmas Day '06 edition of NERW) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 28 12:10:42 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:10:42 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com><512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <51E113E81D5841FEA4D745F68109709B@SatU205S5044> Wightman's next stop was WBOQ (also in AM drive), but he wasn't there for very long (a couple of months tops). He is currently found on commericals for Rite Window storm windows and Reed's Ferry backyard sheds. I think he produces as well as voices these. The commercials are very well done and I suspect that they are effective tools for the sponsors, but given the likelihood that Rite Window and Reed's Ferry are owned by the same guy, I have to wonder why Wightman hasn't picked up additional accounts. Of course, he could have done commercials for other advertisers that I am not aware of--possibly in other markets. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg > >>>The new format replaces standards on WXKS (where we hear some tears were >>>shed as morning man Bill Wightman said farewell to his audience last >>>week) and Spanish religion on WKOX. > > http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2004/041004/nerw.html > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 28 11:20:54 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <267275BE-6DA2-4966-9E6D-20A6939EB972@mac.com> On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:02 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > 1430 had a very popular morning host with seniors back then and his name > escapes me. > Bill Whiteman I think! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Feb 28 12:39:29 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:39:29 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: <51E113E81D5841FEA4D745F68109709B@SatU205S5044> References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> <51E113E81D5841FEA4D745F68109709B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: *...but given the likelihood that Rite Window and Reed's Ferry are owned by the same guy...* Rite Window is a Woburn, MA company owned by Peter Devellis and Ted Castonguay. Reeds Ferry is a Hudson, NH company owned by the Carelton family. It's possible that the owners know each other and gave a referral, but they are separately owned companies. -Bob > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 28 13:21:01 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:21:01 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com><512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Seems likely that with a minimal amount of Boston content--probably produced in New York, where Bloomberg has studios, 1200 will mostly just carry the Bloomberg network feed, which was exactly what Armstrong's group of stations: 970 in Southbridge, 1120 in Concord, 1390 in Plymouth (two owned, one LMAed) has done at several points. If I'm not mistaken, it was also done for a while on 1460 in Brockton. Armstrong produces his own show on 970, 1120, and 1390 plus WRKO and WCRN--where he leases the air-time. There have been unconfirmed rumors that his show will also air on 1460 in Brockton when that station returns to the air. How much, if any, Bloomberg content will appear on 1200 would seem to be the big question. The mother ship (New York's WBBR 1130) is reportedly profitable even though its ratings are and have always been minuscule. It does not follow that, just because he was able to turn a profit in New York, Bloomberg will be able to turn a profit in Boston. The big plus for Boston is that Bloomberg can bootstrap on the content developed in New York. Listening to the first couple of years of WBBR was positively painful. It took forever to work the kinks out of the automation. The on-air sound screamed "what the hell are we doing???" And thanks to downlink problems with the satellite feed, the first few months of Bloomberg on the Armstrong stations were at least as bad. Presumably, that will not be the case on AM 1200. Aside from his own show, will Armstrong run Bloomberg on his stations? If not, he has shown the ability to produce additional content here in Boston. However, he has not shown that he can make the locally produced content--aside from his own show--pay consistenly. That would explain why, except for Armstrong's own program, locally produced stuff has come and gone on Armstong's stations. If Armstrong can continue to mix locally produced programs with Bloomberg programming, he may have a workable formula. If Bloomberg refuses to grant Armstrong access to the Bloomberg programs that appear on AM 1200, I think Armstrong will have a problem. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg > The transition tonight from comedy to financial on 1200 ought to be > done with Monty Python's "Money Song": "But I love money. All money. > (sings) I've got...90 thousand pounds in my pajamas, I've got 40 > thousand French francs in my fridge." > > Barry Armstrong (WRKO etc.) welcomes the competition > > http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2013/02/wrko_s_armstrong_welcomes_competition_from_bloomberg_radio > > For all the talk about 55+ being an undesirable demo, Armstrong says, > "?A lot of people say, ?Who wants to be highly ranked among > 55-year-old men?? You know what, 55-year-old men and women have all > the wealth in this country and we do really well there." > > Clark Smidt also had high hopes for the new format on a post via his > facebook. > > As for the Boston Progressive Talk airing on both 1200 and 1430, it > started around Oct 4, 2004 or so (Fybush's NERW issue for that date > mentions it and the name of the popular standards DJ was Bill > Wightman, as mentioned there). I think the weekend before they ran > a stunt loop (clips from an Al Franken audiobook, Neil Young's > "Rockin' in a Free World", etc.) with the format probably starting on > Mon. Oct 4, 2004. > >>>The new format replaces standards on WXKS (where we hear some tears were >>>shed as morning man Bill Wightman said farewell to his audience last >>>week) and Spanish religion on WKOX. > > http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2004/041004/nerw.html > > Donna heard about the end of the format in early Dec. of 2006; it > ceased a few days before Christmas. (Thu Dec 21 of '06 according to > the Christmas Day '06 edition of NERW) > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Feb 28 13:46:06 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:46:06 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg In-Reply-To: References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com> <512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: According to the press release: http://www.bloomberg.com/pressroom/bloomberg-radio-debuts-on-wxks-1200am-94-5fm-hd2-in-boston/ >>Bloomberg Radio has formed a strategic partnership with Boston-area Bentley University, in which Bentley will provide primary access to its leading faculty and staff, adding insight and perspective to listeners. Bloomberg Radio and Bentley will also co-produce content, drawing on Bentley?s academic resources, and Bloomberg Radio will present programming incorporating students The press release also says local news, traffic, weather, and sports will be offered. No idea on a website URL yet though http://www.wxksam.com will probably still work From markwats@comcast.net Thu Feb 28 18:09:51 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:09:51 -0500 Subject: WXKS 1200 to Bloomberg References: <512E0DE1.5070104@donnahalper.com><512EE40E.3060306@attorneyross.com> <51E113E81D5841FEA4D745F68109709B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <71C0DF9BA10A43E38F6DBE7C94BE35AA@MarkOTS3> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Wightman's next stop was WBOQ (also in AM drive), but he wasn't there for > very long (a couple of months tops). Bill Wightman also did afternoon traffic reports on WHDH-TV newscasts some years back, I can't recall if it was before, during or after his tenure at WXKS 1430. Mark Watson From hopfgarten@mail.com Tue Feb 26 21:57:27 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:57:27 -0500 Subject: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID In-Reply-To: References: <20130221230210.26290@gmx.com><20776.16343.149187.628630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><161976F5-406C-4405-8D32-21003F2ED395@comcast.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130223083113.03da5db0@plymouthcolony.net><5129B2DD.10009@attorneyross.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130224090413.03b55920@plymouthcolony.net><7.0.1.0.2.20130224172420.03befcd8@plymouthcolony.net><512A9A4A.3090904@fybush.com><3FFDAD0BBCB54475B0FC2EDD364E9C06@s20035><512C50BB.8040606@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: 930 AM Rochester is now WPKX broadcasting ESPN (as a sumilcast with 1380 WMYF Portsmouth) -Paul Hopfgarten -Epping NH -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: A Joseph Ross ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID More than a decade or so ago, the AM 930 in Rochester NH would ID as KOST (not in legal IDs, of course). The legal ID, which you could hear if you listened closely at the right time each hour, was WKOS Rochester. The NH station, which is owned by CCU, no longer has the WKOS calls. I don't know what the current calls are (maybe part of the WGIx series that CCU uses on several NH AMs), but I don't think CCU is any longer playing such games with its NH AM calls. However, back when the NH 930 was non-IDing as KOST, there was also a legitimate KOST (FM)--I believe in Los Angeles. I don't know whether or not the LA station was or is owned by CCU, but, IIRC, it still has the KOST calls. If the LA station is not owned by CCU, the fact that a non co-owned station could use its calls in a fake "non-ID" demonstrates that, as long as the fake ID is not the legal ID, just about anything goes. I suppose that means the NH station, which, AFAIK, never--even in fake IDs--IDed as KOST Rochester, was not supposed to say KOST Rochester during the period near the TOH when it broadcast legal IDs. (The times I heard it, the KOST non-ID was never followed by a CoL.) Is there an FCC rule that covers when it is NOT OK to use a fake ID? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:05 AM Subject: Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID > On 2/25/2013 4:23 PM, Don wrote: > >> Wasn't there a citation for the station in Ohio that would identify as: >> "WGTZ Eaton (eatin') Dayton Alive!" >> >> Or was that an old wives tale? ;-) > > I doubt it was so, if "WGTZ EATON" was itself a legal ID. I've always > heard that whatever came before or after the legal ID didn't matter. > > There's also a story (true, I think) of a station in San Francisco that > wanted to call itself WKRP, after the TV show. Since they couldn't get a > W- callsign, they got the call letters KRPN and IDed as "This is W -- > KRPN San Francisco." According to the story as I heard it, they got away > with it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700| Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 28 14:05:37 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:05:37 -0500 Subject: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) Message-ID: <20130228190537.170060@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 02/27/13 10:47 PM >To: Bill Dillane >Subject: Re: Station IDs (Was Re: WBUR's L-O-N-G Station ID) >Sometimes, channels were allotted to hyphenated communities (e.g., >"Albany-Schenectady" in New York), but this meant that an applicant >could choose either city, and was used more in television than radio >anyway. >-GAWollman It seems to me that Albany-Schenectady would not exactly be a hyphenated community. Dover-Foxcroft in Maine and Winston-Salem in North Carolina WOULD BE. (Sent via mail.com in Google Chrome(tm) because Mozilla Firefox conflates comment and reply today.)