From tony.abruzzese@gmail.com Sat Aug 3 10:28:06 2013 From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com (Anthony Abruzzese) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:28:06 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS Message-ID: I came across the news this morning that TWC is again in a dispute with a major network and has shut down CBS in several markets: * New York: WCBS * Los Angeles: KCBS and KCAL * Desert Cities, Yuma and El Centro, CA: KCAL * Dallas-Ft Worth: KTVT and KTXA * Boston: WBZ and WSBK * Pittsburgh: KDKA and WPCW * Chicago: WBBM * Detroit: WKBD * Denver: KCNC I didn't realize that TWC had much of a presence in MA or much of New England. The full story is at: http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a503749/cbs-blackout-for-time-warner-cable -customers.html Tony From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Aug 3 13:49:40 2013 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:49:40 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D994875-A073-4C24-98D9-0CF2D5614C6F@mac.com> On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Anthony Abruzzese wrote: > I came across the news this morning that TWC is again in a dispute with a > major network and has shut down CBS in several markets... > > I didn't realize that TWC had much of a presence in MA or much of New > England. They serve most of the major cities in Maine. According to their website about 52% of the state's TV households are with Time Warner. In Massachusetts, they only serve about a dozen towns and small cities in the Pittsfield and North Adams area. It's similar in New Hampshire, just a few areas including Keene and Berlin. Nothing in Vermont or Rhode Island, and only Norwalk in Connecticut. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Aug 3 19:49:42 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS Message-ID: If you watch OTA HD you will discover that it is so much better than cable, satellite, or even Fios. Then there is Aereo.com for a few bucks a month. Mike From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 3 23:47:03 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:47:03 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a NYC and LA battle ( and also Dallas) Comcast and Time Warner traded systems years ago and TW pretty much gave up the Bos market. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM, wrote: > If you watch OTA HD you will discover that it is so much better than cable, > satellite, or even Fios. Then there is Aereo.com for a few bucks a month. > > Mike > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 4 00:02:36 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 00:02:36 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51FDD25C.7040201@attorneyross.com> On 8/3/2013 7:49 PM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > If you watch OTA HD you will discover that it is so much better than cable, > satellite, or even Fios. Then there is Aereo.com for a few bucks a month. Not here in Brookline. There are constant fadeouts, and sometimes you have to stand there and hold the antenna in a particular position in order to get the signal. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 4 00:04:42 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 00:04:42 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51FDD2DA.40802@attorneyross.com> On 8/3/2013 11:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Comcast and Time Warner traded systems years ago and TW pretty much > gave up the Bos market. I could be remembering wrong, but I think that Time Warner got the original permit to build the system in Brookline, showing the Selectmen all they were going to do, then promptly sold out to Cablevision before the system was built. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 4 17:41:21 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:41:21 -0400 Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS In-Reply-To: <51FDD2DA.40802@attorneyross.com> References: <51FDD2DA.40802@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Time Warner was blindsided when Kevin White chose Cablevision. Warner had quietly built up Somerville, Medford, Malden, Everett and other towns to the north starting in 1972 and thought they were a lock for Boston. Brookline would have been an expensive stand alone build-up and they sold the license to Cablevision. Cambridge was about the last to get wired and they chose American Cable - Steve Dodge sold American to Continental and the horse trading of systems began. On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/3/2013 11:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Comcast and Time Warner traded systems years ago and TW pretty much >> gave up the Bos market. > > > I could be remembering wrong, but I think that Time Warner got the original > permit to build the system in Brookline, showing the Selectmen all they were > going to do, then promptly sold out to Cablevision before the system was > built. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Aug 4 21:02:07 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS Message-ID: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> The US chose the wrong method of transmission. One of the reasons people don't watch OTA TV and why the CEA wants to take it off the air. >>Not here in Brookline. There are constant fadeouts, and sometimes you have to stand there and hold the antenna in a particular position in order to get the signal.<< From map@mapinternet.com Mon Aug 5 12:41:23 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:41:23 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> Message-ID: <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> I don't know if the any of the other transmission methods are better. But now, it's a mute point. The present OTA system works very well, IF you are near the transmitter. The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas cannot get a reliable signal. Many cannot get any signal, yet were able to with analog. Moving most of the stations to UHF was Fair to OK for folks in the cities, but left many rural areas without over the air service. UHF and VHF TV reception arguments in 2013 are much the same they were in 1963. The Channel 7/42 fiasco was a good example. 15,800 watts on digital in no way replicates 316,000 in analog. A couple of Hiband VHF stations in the LA market are now up to over 100kw on digital. And, that amount of power still does not make up for the difference to the previous analog power limit. The FCC should encourage the remaining VHF, and UHF stations go up to higher power using, if needed, directional antennas, AND, importantly, increase the amount of allowed co-channel interference. The other issue with OTA TV is an education issue with the general public. Many still think that, since the change to digital, they cannot recieve over-the-air at all anymore. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Owing mostly to the additional sub-channels, most urban viewers are able to recieve more channels than they had with analog, and with a far better picture quality than standard cable or satellite. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Time Warner Cable shuts off CBS The US chose the wrong method of transmission. One of the reasons people don't watch OTA TV and why the CEA wants to take it off the air. >>Not here in Brookline. There are constant fadeouts, and sometimes you have to stand there and hold the antenna in a particular position in order to get the signal.<< From sids1045@aol.com Mon Aug 5 14:29:51 2013 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <8D06020E830516F-104C-1808E@Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com> "The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas cannot get a reliable signal. Many cannot get any signal, yet were able to with analog." There is another side to that coin. Receiver sensitivity in digital TV sets (at the antenna terminal/jack) is far higher than it was with analog sets (meaning, you need more signal to obtain a usable picture). I think the assumption made by most set manufacturers was that they'll mostly be used with cable, where receiver sensitivity isn't an issue. From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Aug 5 13:57:13 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer Message-ID: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> He says it will program in Portuguese. Is there a huge Portugese population on the Cape? I didn't think there was.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 5 15:01:58 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:01:58 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming Portuguese for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" (WJFD used to be owned by Edmond Dinis, who died a few yrs back; I think Dinis also had a CP for a 1270 in Dartmouth that never got built AFAIK and I wondered if he would have made that Portuguese or some kind of Spanish-language...) On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > He says it will program in Portuguese. Is there a huge Portugese > population on the Cape? I didn't think there was.

Sent from > Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 5 13:35:19 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:35:19 -0400 Subject: Langer buy's WBUR's AM Cape outlet (1240) Message-ID: According to a facebook post by Scott Fybush/NERW, Alex Langer is buying WBUR AM 1240 (the old WOCB, right?) on the Cape which had simulcast WBUR-FM. He says it will have Portuguese programming, but fans of 'BUR can still get it via WBUA 92.7 on Martha's Vineyard. Anyone remember the original, local broadcasting on WOCB 1240 and also on the AM 1170 (forget the call letters)? WOCB had the Sox and for a time 1170 had Yankees. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Aug 5 21:21:55 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:21:55 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming > Portuguese > for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is > increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking Portuguese is Brazil, not Portugal. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 5 22:58:31 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:58:31 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> Message-ID: It may be geared along the coast but 1570 WMVX has a signal that could surprise you; I was even getting it on a car radio well away from the coast in parts of New Hampshire. On Monday, August 5, 2013, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming >> Portuguese >> for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is >> increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" > > Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking Portuguese is Brazil, not Portugal. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Mon Aug 5 22:27:48 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:27:48 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> Message-ID: There is a large Brazilian population in Hyannis On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming > > Portuguese > > for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is > > increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" > > Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking Portuguese > is Brazil, not Portugal. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > From kenwvt@gmail.com Mon Aug 5 22:32:52 2013 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> References: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> Message-ID: <1375756371779.088d37f5@Nodemailer> Was 1240 WOCB ? I remember my parents always had that station on when we vacationed on the cape. -ken ? Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming >> Portuguese >> for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is >> increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" > Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking Portuguese is Brazil, not Portugal. > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 5 22:08:27 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:08:27 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a soft spot for the old WOCB 1240. My parents had a cottage in West Yarmouth and one day I wandered down to the station and it was there I caught the broadcasting bug. (BTW WOCB is where Fred Cusick started) Langer on WSRO does Portuguese programming geared to people from Brazil. The Cape audience comes from New Bedford and is Portugal based. Dinis's station actually had a decent audience in East Cambridge. People forget that it isn't that far from New Bedford to the Bourne Bridge. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming > Portuguese > for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is > increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" (WJFD > used to be owned by Edmond Dinis, who died a few yrs back; I think Dinis > also had a CP for a 1270 in Dartmouth that never got built AFAIK and I > wondered if he would have made that Portuguese or some kind of > Spanish-language...) > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > > He says it will program in Portuguese. Is there a huge Portugese > > population on the Cape? I didn't think there was.

Sent from > > Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Aug 6 02:14:35 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 02:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer Message-ID: In a message dated 8/6/2013 2:12:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Dinis's station actually had a decent audience in East Cambridge. Which is why Ed Dinis was one of the bidders for 740, at U.S. Bankruptcy Court back on July 1, 1991. ----jibguy From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Aug 6 01:17:07 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 01:17:07 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <520086D3.7070406@attorneyross.com> On 8/5/2013 12:41 PM, M. Casey wrote: > I don't know if the any of the other transmission methods are better. But > now, it's a mute point. The present OTA system works very well, IF you are > near the transmitter. How near? Brookline is near the Route 128 towers, and the reception is lousy. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 6 09:40:24 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> Message-ID: <20992.64712.12387.67076@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking > Portuguese is Brazil, not Portugal. I spoke to Alex back when WSRO had its big party. There are three distinct Portuguese-speaking communities in Massachusetts: Brazilians in MetroWest and in Allston; Portuguese in New Bedford and Fall River; and Cape Verdeans (not sure where the big community is -- Dorchester?). Each of these communities wants its own distinct programming and isn't interested int the programs the others like. -GAWollman (coming to you this morning from Rochester, Minnesota) From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 6 09:50:25 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:50:25 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <20992.65313.359844.925022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > near the transmitter. The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits > were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas cannot > get a reliable signal. To some small extent that's true, but you have to compare apples to apples. Analog TV has a high peak-to-average power ratio (about 5:1); digital TV has a very low peak-to-average ratio (nearly 1:1). Analog TV was regulated on peak power (which occurred only during sync pulses), whereas digital TV is average. So it's entirely rational to expect that 20 kW ATSC on VHF will be the equivalent of 100 kW of NTSC-M, but there's also processing gain in the receiver (although it's only about 3 dB as I recall). The limits as originally set were probably a bit low, but you shouldn't ever need 1 MW of ATSC on UHF to replicate your 5 MW NTSC-M service on the same channel. You also have to remember that the FCC assumes (and has always assumed) that TV viewers will have an outdoor antenna 30 feet above ground. Households with only indoor antennas are just SOL as far as the Commission is concerned. > truth. Owing mostly to the additional sub-channels, most urban viewers are > able to recieve more channels than they had with analog, and with a far > better picture quality than standard cable or satellite. You're presuming that there is programming that people would want to watch on those channels, which for the most part is not the case for anyone under 50. All of the worthwhile scripted television is on cable or VOD these days, or so say the people I know who are actually interested in that kind of thing; the only thing keeping broadcast alive for the under-40s is sports. (Many would say the same thing of cable -- all they want is HBO Go and Netflix.) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 6 10:07:49 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 10:07:49 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> <20992.64712.12387.67076@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Of the communities you listed, none appears to be in range of the 1240 signal from W Yarmouth. Previously, another poster had mentioned a Portuguese-speaking community in Hyannis, which is definitely within the 1240 listening area. I can't remember whether that earlier post indicated which flavor of Portuguese is spoken by the Hyannis community. Does anyone remember? If so, please let those of us with short or defective memories know. Also, will Langer's new 1410 signal (if and when constructed) cater to the Allston Portuguese speakers? In Allston, the 1410 signal (to be located in Readville and Licensed to Dedham) will be nothing to write home about--especially at night. I think the 650 signal from Mt Wayte Ave will be better in Allston (quite good by day, and assuming the just-applied-for upgrade to 187W-N is granted and built, maybe listenable on good nights for those who are determined and have decent radios). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer > < said: > >> Portuguese or Brazilian? I believe the largest county speaking >> Portuguese is Brazil, not Portugal. > > I spoke to Alex back when WSRO had its big party. There are three > distinct Portuguese-speaking communities in Massachusetts: Brazilians > in MetroWest and in Allston; Portuguese in New Bedford and Fall River; > and Cape Verdeans (not sure where the big community is -- > Dorchester?). Each of these communities wants its own distinct > programming and isn't interested int the programs the others like. > > -GAWollman > (coming to you this morning from Rochester, Minnesota) From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 6 10:24:33 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 10:24:33 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> <20992.65313.359844.925022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6425102C71CB40C79E468478355BEFE4@SatU205S5044> I've been watching OTA DTV for several years now and I believe that if some clever software fix could be applied to OTA DTV receivers to reduce the number and duration of audio dropouts, the effective range of the digital broadcasts would increase dramatically. For following program content, audio is usually much more important than video. Unfortunately, from my experience, audio dropouts are both more frequent and longer in duration than video dropouts. If the severity of audio dropouts could be decreased, I think a lot of viewers would be willing to accept more severe video dropouts. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "M. Casey" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:50 AM Subject: Digital TV reception > < > said: > >> near the transmitter. The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits >> were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas >> cannot >> get a reliable signal. > > To some small extent that's true, but you have to compare apples to > apples. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Aug 6 10:43:19 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 10:43:19 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer In-Reply-To: <20992.64712.12387.67076@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1375725433.17536.YahooMailIosMobile@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <95967984-EFC1-4866-915D-B1B1D1381FE4@mac.com> <20992.64712.12387.67076@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130806104114.03da2200@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:40 AM 8/6/2013, Garrett Wollman wrote: >... Portuguese in New Bedford and Fall River ... Perhaps the best known Fall River native with Portuguese ancestry is chef Emeril Lagasse. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Wed Aug 7 09:18:37 2013 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:18:37 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Langer buy's WBUR's AM Cape outlet (1240) In-Reply-To: <520248C6.5050308@hotmail.com> References: <520248C6.5050308@hotmail.com> Message-ID: RE - Remember: Yes, I recall a very young morning DJ getting his start on one of the AM-ers - "Redo on the Radio". Phil Redo I believe. Paul Sandwich On 8/5/2013 1:35 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > According to a facebook post by Scott Fybush/NERW, Alex Langer is buying > WBUR AM 1240 (the old WOCB, right?) on the Cape which had simulcast > WBUR-FM. > He says it will have Portuguese programming, but fans of 'BUR can still get > it via WBUA 92.7 on Martha's Vineyard. > > Anyone remember the original, local broadcasting on WOCB 1240 and also on > the AM 1170 (forget the call letters)? WOCB had the Sox and for a time > 1170 had Yankees. > > From map@mapinternet.com Wed Aug 7 10:52:14 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:52:14 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <20992.65313.359844.925022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> <20992.65313.359844.925022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200989092BEB495B923AA36FFB240F7A@CASEYPC> In a real world environment, and with the differences in the mode of transmission and the differences in power rating methods between analog and digital and the quality of today's available receivers taken into account, digital using about 50% of analog power would be closer to equal in most cases. And even 50% might not be enough in the rough terrain of Central/Western Massachusetts and Northern New England, and many other areas of the country. From: "Garrett Wollman" < said: > near the transmitter. The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits > were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas > cannot > get a reliable signal. To some small extent that's true, but you have to compare apples to apples. Analog TV has a high peak-to-average power ratio (about 5:1); digital TV has a very low peak-to-average ratio (nearly 1:1). Analog TV was regulated on peak power (which occurred only during sync pulses), whereas digital TV is average. So it's entirely rational to expect that 20 kW ATSC on VHF will be the equivalent of 100 kW of NTSC-M, but there's also processing gain in the receiver (although it's only about 3 dB as I recall). The limits as originally set were probably a bit low, but you shouldn't ever need 1 MW of ATSC on UHF to replicate your 5 MW NTSC-M service on the same channel. From map@mapinternet.com Wed Aug 7 10:59:43 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: Digital TV reception In-Reply-To: <6425102C71CB40C79E468478355BEFE4@SatU205S5044> References: <24b9b.2985dc4a.3f30538f@aol.com> <8E0AFBD41A844B23B9453157C4DBC596@CASEYPC> <20992.65313.359844.925022@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6425102C71CB40C79E468478355BEFE4@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Drop-outs can be a big problem. But, from what I've experienced, the video dropout problem is equal to the audio. And, most viewers will not tolerate much of either. It goes back to the either the stations' lack of power and/or in a few cases, reciever sensitivity. Note that drop-outs during hard rain, just like satellite tv rain drop-outs, are a problem for fringe area digital OTA reception. Mark Casey . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "M. Casey" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Digital TV reception I've been watching OTA DTV for several years now and I believe that if some clever software fix could be applied to OTA DTV receivers to reduce the number and duration of audio dropouts, the effective range of the digital broadcasts would increase dramatically. For following program content, audio is usually much more important than video. Unfortunately, from my experience, audio dropouts are both more frequent and longer in duration than video dropouts. If the severity of audio dropouts could be decreased, I think a lot of viewers would be willing to accept more severe video dropouts. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 7 14:45:57 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:45:57 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> Message-ID: <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 7 16:39:36 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:39:36 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5202B088.5020100@gmail.com> On 08/07/2013 2:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > So, what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is > rated by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? > What is going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am > in no way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of > choice, but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists > and I really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) I share your position on country music, e.g., not my preference but intrigued by fan loyalty. Country was likely a lot more successful pre-PPM but under-reported due to its stigma among listeners embedded in more cosmopolitan markets. Read: Despite the 80s song, Country still ain't cool. Now that reporting is passive there is a correction going on. There may be another or concurrent reason for Country's increase in ratings and share - the economy. The labor market post-07 is not showing signs of growth and there is a malaise setting in akin to the one enunciated by President Carter (that contributed to his failed reelection attempt in '80). Even without ditties about dogs getting run over by grandmas who passed out while driving down a road with a new sink-hole, Country tends to hearken to a more simple set of themes. And another possibility is that Country has not improved but all other musical formats are so dreadfully awful that the format is looking better near closing time. Bill O'Neill From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Aug 7 16:23:22 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Digital TV reception Message-ID: COFDM is far superior to what the US uses and there were hearings and tests at the Rayburn building prior to rollout. The only reason we have the system in the US we have today is purely political. It was developed by Zenith when it was a US company and then sold to Korea. Probably why the US and ROK are the only countries that use it. COFDM is used almost exclusively for STLs, ENG, Wireless cameras, etc in the US why is that? The point is mute. The original plan was for the TV stations to build a second DTV station and then migrate back to their original VHF channel so that the UHF bandwidth could be auctioned off. In most cases that didn't happen and many consumers still believe that VHF channel 2 is still on VHF channel 2 rather than on a UHF channel. I watch OTA HD from my place in North Jersey but I have a direct line of sight to Empire and even then there is audio and video breakup. Mike In a message dated 8/6/2013 9:41:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: don't know if the any of the other transmission methods are better. But now, it's a mute point. The present OTA system works very well, IF you are near the transmitter. The BIG problem is that the stations' power limits were cut down so far that many suburban, rural, and even urban areas cannot get a reliable signal. Many cannot get any signal, yet were able to with analog. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 7 16:48:41 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:48:41 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <-1991829773635380676@unknownmsgid> My gut feeling is WKLB has picked up a lot of former WODS listeners who miss the personalities of the DJ's. WROR is run by Mr. Computer far too much during the day. Also I think country has become what soft Top 40 was in the 70's (WHDH 850, WROR 98.5) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Wed Aug 7 18:24:45 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:24:45 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com>, , <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna, Last month's Friday night (July 12th) sold-out Jason Aldean concert set a new single-concert attendance record for the concerts at Fenway. WKLB has again (two years in a row iirc) taken the CMA Major Market Radio Station of the Year award. Part of it is marketing (seems like there's some kind of country music awards show on the major networks every third month or so, as an example), part of it is the cross-format appeal (after all, this is not your father's country music), and part of it is (perhaps) a growing sense of "patriotism" among certain demographics. I have a friend who is Sony's New England country A&R guy... I can put you in touch with him, if you'd like, he probably has a better inkling of what's been going on. Mike > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:45:57 -0400 > From: dlh@donnahalper.com > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio > > I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. > As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the > Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing > here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the > first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) > but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, > what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated > by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is > going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no > way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, > but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I > really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 7 18:33:39 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 18:33:39 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> <-1991829773635380676@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <787F2E995E3A49FE9B49DEBEB9864D74@MarkOTS3> Kevin Vahey wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > My gut feeling is WKLB has picked up a lot of former >WODS listeners > who miss the personalities of the DJ's. My wife and I both listened frequently to WODS prior to the format change. She also listened frequently to WXLO. Since the 'ODS flip she started listening to WKLB along with 'XLO. Now she's pretty much listening to WKLB almost exclusively. I have to say WLKB's personality driven presentation in addition to thei PPM is helping their ratings surge. I listen occasionally to 'KLB (not a huge country fan, but I do enjoy Sunday Morning Country Oldies), but also listen to WBZ for news and musically I'll bounce around among WCAP (nights/weekends), WBOQ (North Shore 104.9) and WROR on the drive in weekday mornings for my Loren & Wally fix. I find myself listening to distant radio (WLNG, WIRY among others) on my iPhone, via the TunedIn app. Speaking of WIRY, their currents are country (have been for a couple of years or so now), they still play a deep oldies (50's-80's) mix among the current country, police log news and lost and found pets, etc. Mark Watson From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Aug 7 19:59:56 2013 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:59:56 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Country Hit Radio is the new HipHop for young girls. The all age Arbitron category has always been owned by very young women. And young women also often win on what the car radio is tuned to. Today's hit country flavor is all aimed right at them. From Taylor Swift to all the good looking young guys now in Country. This is also what is hurting Jamn more than Amp or Hot. The number of young women that have shifted to country. No longer is it a working class mans format. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > Donna, > > Last month's Friday night (July 12th) sold-out Jason Aldean concert set a new single-concert attendance record for the concerts at Fenway. WKLB has again (two years in a row iirc) taken the CMA Major Market Radio Station of the Year award. Part of it is marketing (seems like there's some kind of country music awards show on the major networks every third month or so, as an example), part of it is the cross-format appeal (after all, this is not your father's country music), and part of it is (perhaps) a growing sense of "patriotism" among certain demographics. > > I have a friend who is Sony's New England country A&R guy... I can put you in touch with him, if you'd like, he probably has a better inkling of what's been going on. > > Mike > > >> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:45:57 -0400 >> From: dlh@donnahalper.com >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio >> >> I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. >> As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the >> Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing >> here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the >> first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) >> but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, >> what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated >> by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is >> going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no >> way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, >> but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I >> really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) > > From madprof@fairpoint.net Thu Aug 8 00:04:36 2013 From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 00:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Message-ID: <2079.74.209.22.29.1375934676.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> Being a confirmed hard rocker, it is difficult for me to me unbiased, BUT, there are country singers I can enjoy, Shania Twain, LeeAnn Rimes, Tim McGraw, and the girl who stole everyone's heart, Taylor Swift, with "You belong with me". I consider these the new breed on country singers, call it country-rock if you wish. Many of the newest singers are young and female and I agree the young female listeners are getting more attracted to singers they can look up to. I don't have any insight re young male listeners, other then they are very likely attracted to girl singers, also. Also there are certain singers who simply touch my heart: Allison Krauss, blue grass, and on a slow song her gentle voice pulls me in. In the Albany (NY, not GA) area, WGNA has been the most listened to music outlet, I believe topped the ratings, for many years. Not as urban- suburban an area as Boston, but perhaps an indicator to such. The point of Computer-run stations loosing appeal (tho saving costs) is all too valid in many areas. Since Country tends to still be live DJ's, it presents a more "interesting" format, thus attracting more listeners, even in the city environment. I can't imagine the hip-hop or rap listeners moving to country, but the former MOR, soft rock, and daily background music listeners, yes, will or have accept(ed) Country more. I find it too odd that Boston is tending towards Country, but to admit the possible reasons for it do exist. Note: my bias is especially anti the old twanger voices, ie Jim Nabors, old Hank Williams(not Jr), etc. I will listen to many music styles, but can't handle them (I must ask forgiveness of mnay folk's parents I knew). To quote Chuck Berry, "hail hail. Rock & Roll" dig it, y'all? Bob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 8 03:37:27 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 03:37:27 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <2079.74.209.22.29.1375934676.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> References: <2079.74.209.22.29.1375934676.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: All very good points. I was a little intrigued by country in the 70s (at a point where it was forced onto WDLW 1330, then WBOS picked it up, etc.) Not a huge fan but I dip into it once in awhile (the older tunes, found on some smaller stations elsewhere or on XM's Willie Nelson's Place, are fun too). Recent trips to Pittsburgh, etc., found me listening to Froggy FMs for some nice tunes as I went through the woods and small cities of Beaver County, etc. Some country artists crossed over to the pop charts, like the fiddle-rock of the Charlie Daniels Band. The devil did go down to Georgia all right, and the defiant "In America" said to our enemies, "You just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan and I think you're gonna finally understand." And when it comes to selling out concerts, Kenny Chesney has done just that, more than a few times, at Gillette Stadium. Maybe those "Nashville Cats" are being bought up here, too, after all... On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Being a confirmed hard rocker, it is difficult for me to me unbiased, > BUT, there are country singers I can enjoy, Shania Twain, LeeAnn Rimes, > Tim McGraw, and the girl who stole everyone's heart, Taylor Swift, with > "You belong with me". I consider these the new breed on country singers, > call it country-rock if you wish. > Many of the newest singers are young and female and I agree the young > female listeners are getting more attracted to singers they can look up > to. I don't have any insight re young male listeners, other then they > are very likely attracted to girl singers, also. > Also there are certain singers who simply touch my heart: Allison Krauss, > blue grass, and on a slow song her gentle voice pulls me in. > In the Albany (NY, not GA) area, WGNA has been the most listened to > music outlet, I believe topped the ratings, for many years. Not as urban- > suburban an area as Boston, but perhaps an indicator to such. > The point of Computer-run stations loosing appeal (tho saving costs) > is all too valid in many areas. Since Country tends to still be live DJ's, > it presents a more "interesting" format, thus attracting more listeners, > even in the city environment. I can't imagine the hip-hop or rap listeners > moving to country, but the former MOR, soft rock, and daily background > music > listeners, yes, will or have accept(ed) Country more. > I find it too odd that Boston is tending towards Country, but to admit > the possible reasons for it do exist. > > Note: my bias is especially anti the old twanger voices, ie Jim Nabors, > old Hank Williams(not Jr), etc. I will listen to many music styles, but > can't > handle them (I must ask forgiveness of mnay folk's parents I knew). > > To quote Chuck Berry, "hail hail. Rock & Roll" > dig it, y'all? > > Bob > > From map@mapinternet.com Thu Aug 8 15:41:55 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:41:55 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: John, You pretty much hit the nail on the head. But this just didn't start a few years ago. And, although young women dominate, (my 22 year old daughter & her friends mostly listen to it as well as some hip-hop, some house/dance, some rock, some harder rock, and even some classic rock), the format crosses to middle-aged women and to men of all ages also. The popularity of Country with broad-based audiences started in the 60's (and maybe even before) with cross-over hits. That popularity just kept on growing as country artists more and more used sounds borrowed from Top 40 Rock 'n Roll and found ways to better produce their music. That popularity went full steam to the urban masses in the 1980's when a number of country acts really became well produced. WHN, AM-1050, in New York was very successful with an Northeast & Urban tailored country format. One trick was to program some Elvis tunes, and some of the other popular country crossover hits that made the top 40 rock'n roll chart. I don't remember why WHN quit. Maybe it was just AM, or maybe because, after a few years, there was some competition on the FM band from WYNY. After the success of WHN, and for a time, WYNY, it was ironic that the NYC market didn't have a full power FM country programmed station from 1996 until earlier this year. Today, that "WHN" format has been very much further refined. If the format is properly tailored to the NYC market, I think WNSH-Nash 94.7 will be a ratings and financial winner. In the late 1980's, we were applicants for a docket 80-90 FM allocation in Enfield, CT (97.9 which became WPKX Enfield-Springfield, and is now a talk/sports station licensed to Windsor Locks, CT) Our proposed format was what I called "Modern Country". It would be a refinement of that WHN format geared to a younger audience. A country top 40 format with recurrents and a few popular, but mostly upbeat, oldies. We were not successful with the license. A very short while later, WWYZ, 92.5 (Waterbury-Hartford) came on with a similar format and has been almost always been in the top 5, and sometimes #1, in the Hartford market ever since, and a consistent player in the New Haven and Springfield markets also. WWYZ is somewhat personality driven also. It's seems to me that the previous country stations that tried and failed in Northeast markets, did not have the right country format. There are several successful country formats in the south and other areas of the country but the one format that has been successful in the Northeast is the one you describe: aimed at young folks, especially women. It is modern, and has a rock'n roll and pop music production influence. Since the 80's, one of the keys to country format success in a Northeast US market, has been to include all the pop songs that even only slightly lean to country. And now, I can't tell you how many times I've heard friends say that today's well produced country really sounds like rock'n roll. To answer at least part of your question, Donna, I don't listen to WKLB out here in Western Mass., but observing what's happened with WWYZ, WPKX, WHN, WGNA and other successful country stations, I've got to think that although the country audience in the Northeast US has increased steadily since the 1960's & 70's, basically, little has changed in only the last 10 years as far as the audience goes, but that after a period of time, the station got the format dialed in with what Northeast US listeners want to hear from Country music. With a format refined for the audience here, there could have been a Country station in the Boston market consistently in the top 5, way back in the 90's and maybe even in the late 80's. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mullaney" To: "Michael Wilkins" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: Re: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Country Hit Radio is the new HipHop for young girls. The all age Arbitron category has always been owned by very young women. And young women also often win on what the car radio is tuned to. Today's hit country flavor is all aimed right at them. From Taylor Swift to all the good looking young guys now in Country. This is also what is hurting Jamn more than Amp or Hot. The number of young women that have shifted to country. No longer is it a working class mans format. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > Donna, > > Last month's Friday night (July 12th) sold-out Jason Aldean concert set a > new single-concert attendance record for the concerts at Fenway. WKLB has > again (two years in a row iirc) taken the CMA Major Market Radio Station > of the Year award. Part of it is marketing (seems like there's some kind > of country music awards show on the major networks every third month or > so, as an example), part of it is the cross-format appeal (after all, this > is not your father's country music), and part of it is (perhaps) a growing > sense of "patriotism" among certain demographics. > > I have a friend who is Sony's New England country A&R guy... I can put you > in touch with him, if you'd like, he probably has a better inkling of > what's been going on. > > Mike > > >> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:45:57 -0400 >> From: dlh@donnahalper.com >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio >> >> I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. >> As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the >> Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing >> here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the >> first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) >> but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, >> what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated >> by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is >> going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no >> way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, >> but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I >> really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) > > From john@minutemancomm.com Thu Aug 8 16:26:41 2013 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:26:41 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <71CF42D25E344CF0AD5A548C4E1A4F37@johnster1> I must say I am really unhappy about Mr. Nelson cutting and posting my post along with my name to the radiodisscusions.com national gossip boards. There is a reason no one in the field posts there and even more of a reason for the anonymity everyone uses if they ever did! I always thought this local mailing list was different and because of that some folks in the field would actually post here. That trust has been broken and you will never see me again. Things like this is why these list become used by only outsiders and hobbyists. Over and Out! Have a nice day.. -----Original Message----- From: M. Casey [mailto:map@mapinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 3:42 PM To: Donna Halper; John Mullaney Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio John, You pretty much hit the nail on the head. But this just didn't start a few years ago. And, although young women dominate, (my 22 year old daughter & her friends mostly listen to it as well as some hip-hop, some house/dance, some rock, some harder rock, and even some classic rock), the format crosses to middle-aged women and to men of all ages also. The popularity of Country with broad-based audiences started in the 60's (and maybe even before) with cross-over hits. That popularity just kept on growing as country artists more and more used sounds borrowed from Top 40 Rock 'n Roll and found ways to better produce their music. That popularity went full steam to the urban masses in the 1980's when a number of country acts really became well produced. WHN, AM-1050, in New York was very successful with an Northeast & Urban tailored country format. One trick was to program some Elvis tunes, and some of the other popular country crossover hits that made the top 40 rock'n roll chart. I don't remember why WHN quit. Maybe it was just AM, or maybe because, after a few years, there was some competition on the FM band from WYNY. After the success of WHN, and for a time, WYNY, it was ironic that the NYC market didn't have a full power FM country programmed station from 1996 until earlier this year. Today, that "WHN" format has been very much further refined. If the format is properly tailored to the NYC market, I think WNSH-Nash 94.7 will be a ratings and financial winner. In the late 1980's, we were applicants for a docket 80-90 FM allocation in Enfield, CT (97.9 which became WPKX Enfield-Springfield, and is now a talk/sports station licensed to Windsor Locks, CT) Our proposed format was what I called "Modern Country". It would be a refinement of that WHN format geared to a younger audience. A country top 40 format with recurrents and a few popular, but mostly upbeat, oldies. We were not successful with the license. A very short while later, WWYZ, 92.5 (Waterbury-Hartford) came on with a similar format and has been almost always been in the top 5, and sometimes #1, in the Hartford market ever since, and a consistent player in the New Haven and Springfield markets also. WWYZ is somewhat personality driven also. It's seems to me that the previous country stations that tried and failed in Northeast markets, did not have the right country format. There are several successful country formats in the south and other areas of the country but the one format that has been successful in the Northeast is the one you describe: aimed at young folks, especially women. It is modern, and has a rock'n roll and pop music production influence. Since the 80's, one of the keys to country format success in a Northeast US market, has been to include all the pop songs that even only slightly lean to country. And now, I can't tell you how many times I've heard friends say that today's well produced country really sounds like rock'n roll. To answer at least part of your question, Donna, I don't listen to WKLB out here in Western Mass., but observing what's happened with WWYZ, WPKX, WHN, WGNA and other successful country stations, I've got to think that although the country audience in the Northeast US has increased steadily since the 1960's & 70's, basically, little has changed in only the last 10 years as far as the audience goes, but that after a period of time, the station got the format dialed in with what Northeast US listeners want to hear from Country music. With a format refined for the audience here, there could have been a Country station in the Boston market consistently in the top 5, way back in the 90's and maybe even in the late 80's. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mullaney" To: "Michael Wilkins" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: Re: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Country Hit Radio is the new HipHop for young girls. The all age Arbitron category has always been owned by very young women. And young women also often win on what the car radio is tuned to. Today's hit country flavor is all aimed right at them. From Taylor Swift to all the good looking young guys now in Country. This is also what is hurting Jamn more than Amp or Hot. The number of young women that have shifted to country. No longer is it a working class mans format. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > Donna, > > Last month's Friday night (July 12th) sold-out Jason Aldean concert set a > new single-concert attendance record for the concerts at Fenway. WKLB has > again (two years in a row iirc) taken the CMA Major Market Radio Station > of the Year award. Part of it is marketing (seems like there's some kind > of country music awards show on the major networks every third month or > so, as an example), part of it is the cross-format appeal (after all, this > is not your father's country music), and part of it is (perhaps) a growing > sense of "patriotism" among certain demographics. > > I have a friend who is Sony's New England country A&R guy... I can put you > in touch with him, if you'd like, he probably has a better inkling of > what's been going on. > > Mike > > >> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:45:57 -0400 >> From: dlh@donnahalper.com >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio >> >> I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. >> As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the >> Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing >> here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the >> first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) >> but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, >> what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated >> by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is >> going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no >> way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, >> but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I >> really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) > > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 8 18:32:34 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:32:34 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <71CF42D25E344CF0AD5A548C4E1A4F37@johnster1> References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> <71CF42D25E344CF0AD5A548C4E1A4F37@johnster1> Message-ID: <20996.7298.765560.373901@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I must say I am really unhappy about Mr. Nelson cutting and posting my post > along with my name to the radiodisscusions.com national gossip boards. I am very unhappy about that, too, and consider it absolutely unacceptable behavior. If you didn't write it, you have no right to post it anywhere else without the author's consent. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Aug 9 00:53:45 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 00:53:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Message-ID: <21522846.1376024026125.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In my perception, it's because WKLB took a different approach to programming country than any other country station had tried in Boston before. Past attempts at country stations in Boston had tried to appeal to the traditional male country listener. That approach still works very well in many other areas, even nearby in NH and RI, but there aren't enough of that profile in a large enough percentage here in Boston. WKLB appears to me to be the first country station in Boston to try appealing to today's contemporary female country listener, even more so than the male country listener. Lots of contemporary upbeat country-pop including many current male "heart throb" performers and widely admired current female artists, some women DJ's and other female hosts, and a delivery that sounds like a twangy version of a female-leaning Hot AC station. Their website is geared toward female listeners. It has none of the usual female exploitation (bikini models, etc...) and none of the traditional male toys like "monster trucks", etc... that you often see on male- oriented country stations sites. It includes a women's VIP listener promotion group called the "Red High Heel Club" and offers pages with parenting, gardening, and career advice oriented (mainly) toward women. It's certainly a different approach to programming a country station than the old traditional way, it appeals to female contemporary country listeners around greater Boston and the suburbs, and the numbers bear out that it obviously works very well! EP From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 9 10:52:28 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:52:28 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <21522846.1376024026125.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21522846.1376024026125.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: btw to all I apologize for posting from the "bostonradio.org" archive of this list to radiodiscussions.com; as I mentioned to John, I was over-enthusiastic. I mentioned it to the moderator of that board and he said he removed the name from the post but cannot remove the entire post; he said the post made on THIS group was on the internet (archive at bostonradio.org) and thus "anyone can access it". Still I think it wasn't a good idea to just take info from a mailing list and post it on a message board and I will refrain in the future...apologies again to John (and I did admire his opinion, but got a bit too over-enthusiastic about the subject...lesson learned.) --Bob Nelson On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > In my perception, it's because WKLB took a different > approach to programming country than any other country > station had tried in Boston before. Past attempts at > country stations in Boston had tried to appeal to the > traditional male country listener. That approach still > works very well in many other areas, even nearby in NH > and RI, but there aren't enough of that profile in a > large enough percentage here in Boston. > > WKLB appears to me to be the first country station in > Boston to try appealing to today's contemporary female > country listener, even more so than the male country > listener. Lots of contemporary upbeat country-pop > including many current male "heart throb" performers > and widely admired current female artists, some women > DJ's and other female hosts, and a delivery that sounds > like a twangy version of a female-leaning Hot AC station. > > Their website is geared toward female listeners. It has > none of the usual female exploitation (bikini models, > etc...) and none of the traditional male toys like > "monster trucks", etc... that you often see on male- > oriented country stations sites. It includes a women's > VIP listener promotion group called the "Red High Heel > Club" and offers pages with parenting, gardening, and > career advice oriented (mainly) toward women. > > It's certainly a different approach to programming a > country station than the old traditional way, it > appeals to female contemporary country listeners > around greater Boston and the suburbs, and the > numbers bear out that it obviously works very well! > > EP > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 9 11:27:28 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:27:28 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> <71CF42D25E344CF0AD5A548C4E1A4F37@johnster1> <20996.7298.765560.373901@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <623A563874084C1C815CBF476A066664@SatU205S5044> Though I've been upset about Bob's quoting my posts in his posts without my permission, he did attribute them to me and I said nothing about it either in public or in private. I had thought, though, that being quoted without my permission just came with the mailing-list territory. Glad to know that it doesn't come with the territory and that, if it happens again, I can complain. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "John Mullaney" Cc: "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:32 PM Subject: RE: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio > < said: > >> I must say I am really unhappy about Mr. Nelson cutting and posting my >> post >> along with my name to the radiodisscusions.com national gossip boards. > > I am very unhappy about that, too, and consider it absolutely > unacceptable behavior. If you didn't write it, you have no right to > post it anywhere else without the author's consent. > > -GAWollman > From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Fri Aug 9 17:19:05 2013 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:19:05 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: It ain't Country! Surprisingly my daughter has been listening to it for a while. I'm sure she still has nightmares about my love for Hillbilly at Harvard. Paul Sandwich On 8/7/2013 2:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. > As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the > Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely > nothing here, and many stations that tried the format died. I > consulted the first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 > (WCLB-- today WKLB) but it too struggled to gain anything more than a > niche audience. So, what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it > how country is rated by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or > something else? What is going on that would take country to #1 in > Boston? (Note: I am in no way questioning the power of country > music. It's not my music of choice, but as a consultant, I grew to > appreciate some of the artists and I really was impressed by the > loyalty of the fans.) > > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Aug 9 18:11:02 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:11:02 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <201308071254.r77CsAED011250@bx1.oldradio.com> <520295E5.9040005@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <8E02CA53-1A0B-4729-8861-B13CB85DDC40@mac.com> I guess this is kinda the same as the smooth jazz vs real jazz people. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. On Aug 9, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Paul Currier wrote: > It ain't Country! > > Surprisingly my daughter has been listening to it for a while. I'm sure she still has nightmares about my love for Hillbilly at Harvard. > > Paul > Sandwich > > > On 8/7/2013 2:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: >> I am cross-posting this to several lists, to get a number of opinions. As many of you know, a country radio station just reached #1 in the Boston ratings. Historically, the country format did absolutely nothing here, and many stations that tried the format died. I consulted the first successful country station, circa 1993-1994 (WCLB-- today WKLB) but it too struggled to gain anything more than a niche audience. So, what has changed in the past decade or so-- is it how country is rated by PPM, have audiences for country expanded, or something else? What is going on that would take country to #1 in Boston? (Note: I am in no way questioning the power of country music. It's not my music of choice, but as a consultant, I grew to appreciate some of the artists and I really was impressed by the loyalty of the fans.) >> >> > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 9 11:32:19 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:19 -0400 Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio In-Reply-To: References: <21522846.1376024026125.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: A certain guy from the Dx lists quotes list members email posts all the time when he puts out his newsletter. On Friday, August 9, 2013, Bob Nelson wrote: > btw to all I apologize for posting from the "bostonradio.org" archive of > this list to radiodiscussions.com; as I mentioned to John, I was > over-enthusiastic. I mentioned it to the moderator of that board and he > said he removed the name from the post but cannot remove the entire post; > he said the post made on THIS group was on the internet (archive at > bostonradio.org) and thus "anyone can access it". Still I think it wasn't > a good idea to just take info from a mailing list and post it on a message > board and I will refrain in the future...apologies again to John (and I did > admire his opinion, but got a bit too over-enthusiastic about the > subject...lesson learned.) > > --Bob Nelson > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Eli Polonsky > > wrote: > > > In my perception, it's because WKLB took a different > > approach to programming country than any other country > > station had tried in Boston before. Past attempts at > > country stations in Boston had tried to appeal to the > > traditional male country listener. That approach still > > works very well in many other areas, even nearby in NH > > and RI, but there aren't enough of that profile in a > > large enough percentage here in Boston. > > > > WKLB appears to me to be the first country station in > > Boston to try appealing to today's contemporary female > > country listener, even more so than the male country > > listener. Lots of contemporary upbeat country-pop > > including many current male "heart throb" performers > > and widely admired current female artists, some women > > DJ's and other female hosts, and a delivery that sounds > > like a twangy version of a female-leaning Hot AC station. > > > > Their website is geared toward female listeners. It has > > none of the usual female exploitation (bikini models, > > etc...) and none of the traditional male toys like > > "monster trucks", etc... that you often see on male- > > oriented country stations sites. It includes a women's > > VIP listener promotion group called the "Red High Heel > > Club" and offers pages with parenting, gardening, and > > career advice oriented (mainly) toward women. > > > > It's certainly a different approach to programming a > > country station than the old traditional way, it > > appeals to female contemporary country listeners > > around greater Boston and the suburbs, and the > > numbers bear out that it obviously works very well! > > > > EP > > > > > > > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 9 21:52:57 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Message-ID: <1376099577.2867.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark Casey wrote... >WWYZ, 92.5 (Waterbury-Hartford) came on with a similar format and has been almost always been in the top 5, and sometimes #1, in the Hartford market ever since, and a consistent player in the New Haven and Springfield markets also.? WWYZ is somewhat personality driven also. WWYZ became Country 92.5 in 1988, and it has really been an adult-contemporary station playing modern country music.? Most of the announcers had worked in AC or Top 40 elsewhere in the state, including at DRC-FM, TIC-FM and WICC, and they knew the type of? presentation they had to do to be successful in Hartford and New Haven. Transmitting from the center of the state on West Peak, Meriden is a big plus for hitting both markets, plus reaching Bridgeport and Danbury. Like WHN, WWYZ has played a lot of cross-over hits, and some oldies from Elvis Presley and Creedence Clearwater Revival.? One time when the station played Jose Feliciano's "Feliz Navidad" at Christmastime, Jose called the station from his Fairfield county home to say he had never heard one of his songs on a country station before. :) Jingles used in the 90s were the Jam Q-Cut ones that were meant for AC stations.? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Aug 11 19:30:57 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:30:57 -0400 Subject: Jordan Rich's wife In-Reply-To: <5180C8E2.5080504@donnahalper.com> References: <1738211220.192701.1367350772645.JavaMail.root@well.com> <2086634943.193686.1367350992238.JavaMail.root@well.com> <20864.44682.687801.727828@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5180C8E2.5080504@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <52081EB1.7040101@donnahalper.com> Some of you may know that Jordan Rich's wife Wendy was battling cancer. Sadly, she lost the fight and passed away last night. If any of you are friends with Jordan, you may want to drop him a note. And I am told the funeral for Wendy is tomorrow at 1.30 pm at Temple Beth Sholom in Framingham. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 11 17:36:18 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:36:18 -0400 Subject: Condolences to Jordan Rich Message-ID: WBZ talk host Jordan Rich and his family and friends are mourning the passing of Jordan's wife after a long illness. According to his facebook page "I write you with a heavy heart. My bride of 31 years has passed. She battled courageously and will always serve as an inspiration for me and those who know her. My thanks to you who are always so supportive. I'll return to the show in a couple of weeks. Until then, know that my family is united and strong as we deal with our loss." https://www.facebook.com/jordanrichshow From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 15 13:42:18 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:42:18 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe Message-ID: Jason himself tweeted the news https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 Howie Carr then when nuts on twitter https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 15 14:22:06 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:22:06 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to radioinsight: "Boston Sports Media Watch reports Kevin Graham, PD of 1320 KFNZ Salt Lake City to replace Jason Wolfe at WEEI" On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Jason himself tweeted the news > > https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 > > Howie Carr then when nuts on twitter > > https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow > From lglavin@mail.com Mon Aug 5 18:06:38 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 18:06:38 -0400 Subject: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer Message-ID: <20130805220638.208180@gmx.com> You live on the North Shore. People claim that WMXV 1570 is Spanish-speaking, but to my ears, it sounds Portuguese. During the day, it BOOMS onto the Cape...check v-soft-com for any Cape town and its high on the list of AMs. Does Langer know this I wonder? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson Sent: 08/05/13 03:01 PM To: Sean Smyth Subject: Re: 1240 West Yarmouth sold to Langer As it is WJFD 97.3 New Bedford has a huge signal and has been programming Portuguese for years, and Langer says the Portuguese population on the Cape is increasing...and I think there's a huge presence on the "South Coast" (WJFD used to be owned by Edmond Dinis, who died a few yrs back; I think Dinis also had a CP for a 1270 in Dartmouth that never got built AFAIK and I wondered if he would have made that Portuguese or some kind of Spanish-language...) On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > He says it will program in Portuguese. Is there a huge Portugese > population on the Cape? I didn't think there was.

Sent from > Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > From sm720740@netzero.com Fri Aug 9 18:55:18 2013 From: sm720740@netzero.com (sm720740@netzero.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 22:55:18 GMT Subject: seeking an unbiased opinion about country music radio Message-ID: <20130809.155518.20877.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Here would be my answer Donna: -A female audience is driving the number. The "attraction" of a country music star is the appeal. The Tall, Blue Jean strapping guy that says "please and thank you" and "loves his momma". As for the female singers, it's the "girl next door" but she is strong, independent and grounded.You don't see to many female stars living a "Britney Spears" lifestyles. That's the "Sell." The audience also really "listens to the words" of the songs as well. The stories the songs tell people can relate to and "attach" themselves to songs and make it theirs. -It's the "IN" thing now. All you need to say is "Countryfest" at Foxboro Stadium and EVERYONE wants to be there whether you like country music or not. It's just like going to a Red Sox game at Fenway Park. There are people there that wouldn't know what DH stands for. It's a see and be seen thing! - The new Hip-Hop and Rap just isn't good right now! A hand full of new songs and that's it. That is why HOT 96.9 is doing so well in it's category. When there is nothing good that has come out within the past 6 months, you resort to playing the "Old School" songs that have the track record. ____________________________________________________________ Stand With Our President Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/520573a7eb78973a7275cst01duc From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 15 15:11:33 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:11:33 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe Message-ID: <20130815191133.135530@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 08/15/13 01:42 PM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe >Jason himself tweeted the news >https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 >Howie Carr then when nuts on twitter >https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING brings Howie more joy than the misfortune of others. When two people were let go by the Boston Globe for "borrowings", his merriment was unbounded. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 15 10:21:38 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:21:38 -0400 Subject: Jason Wolfe out at WEEI/WRKO Message-ID: Jason Wolfe is leaving WEEI and WRKO. (As expected, Howie Carr is having some fun with that on twitter and will no doubt address it on his show today) https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 Wolfe mentioned "the growth of WEEI" and also expressed satisfaction with working at WRKO. He said radio is a business and businesses must do what's "best for their future...Entercom has chosen to replace me because they feel it's time for a change in my position". A replacement will be announced soon; we'll have to see what kind of changes will be made. Might John Henry be able to buy WEEI/WRKO (of course there are cross-ownership issues with the Globe, etc. to be worked out).. From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Sun Aug 18 13:47:25 2013 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:47:25 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe In-Reply-To: <20130815191133.135530@gmx.com> References: <20130815191133.135530@gmx.com> Message-ID: We have a new radio station in Chatham debuting tomorrow morning. They are now playing Patti Page's Old Cape Cod continuously. It is WKFY Koffee 98.7 targeted at us over 50 residents. There is a short article in the Cape Cod Times Saturday paper with more detail. Paul Sandwich > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:11:33 -0400 > From: lglavin@mail.com > Subject: Re: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > To: kvahey@gmail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Kevin Vahey > >Sent: 08/15/13 01:42 PM > >To: Boston Radio Group > >Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > > >Jason himself tweeted the news >https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 >Howie Carr then when nuts on twitter >https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow > Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING brings Howie more joy than the misfortune of others. When two people were > let go by the Boston Globe for "borrowings", his merriment was unbounded. From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Sun Aug 18 14:04:40 2013 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:04:40 -0400 Subject: New Cape Cod Station Message-ID: We have a new radio station debuting tomorrow - Koffee 98.7 Chatham - part of Codcomm Inc. It is aimed at us over 50 folks. Patti Page's Old Cape Cod is being played until tomorrow morning. There is a short article in Saturday's Cape Cod Times. Paul Sandwich From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 18 14:46:20 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:46:20 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe In-Reply-To: References: <20130815191133.135530@gmx.com> Message-ID: More on WKFY http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130817/BIZ/308170309&cid=sitesearch On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Paul Currier wrote: > We have a new radio station in Chatham debuting tomorrow morning. They > are now playing Patti Page's Old Cape Cod continuously. It is WKFY Koffee > 98.7 targeted at us over 50 residents. > > There is a short article in the Cape Cod Times Saturday paper with more > detail. > > Paul > Sandwich > > > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:11:33 -0400 > > From: lglavin@mail.com > > Subject: Re: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > > To: kvahey@gmail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Kevin Vahey > > >Sent: 08/15/13 01:42 PM > > >To: Boston Radio Group > > >Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > > > > >Jason himself tweeted the news > > https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 >Howie > Carr then when nuts on twitter >https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow > > Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING brings Howie more joy than the misfortune of > others. When two people were > > let go by the Boston Globe for "borrowings", his merriment was unbounded. > > From madprof@fairpoint.net Sun Aug 18 19:53:49 2013 From: madprof@fairpoint.net (Robert Sutherland) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Cape Cod Station Message-ID: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> finally found details: FCC FM query: WKFY 98.7 cp modification, East Harwich, 41:41:36.60, 69:58:28.90 thus north of Chatham, east of E.Harwich. coords (NAD27) plot in the rt28 3/4-rectangle north of Chatham, (in case you want to know) (per Bing Maps) east of Emery Pond (per Bing Maps), @ corner of Earls Way and Janes Way, s of 2 red & white topped silos (Purina?). GoogleMaps (20') [shows Janes Way as p/o Earls Way] so shows no tower (but of course neither map is newer then a year, maybe 2) non-directional, 3.2kw, 47.3m HAAT Call Sign begin Date WKFY 10/30/2012 non-drx 60 dBu contour includes Eastham, Brewster, N.Harwich, Harwichport, Chatham, s. tip of Monomoy (anyone listening out there?), Orleans. Bob otherwise from net: Codcomm Inc is John Garabedian, but not another "House Party" station! > We have a new radio station debuting tomorrow - Koffee 98.7 Chatham - > part of Codcomm Inc. It is aimed at us over 50 folks. Patti Page's Old > Cape Cod is being played until tomorrow morning. > There is a short article in Saturday's Cape Cod Times. > > Paul > Sandwich > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Aug 18 21:03:11 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:03:11 -0400 Subject: New Cape Cod Station In-Reply-To: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> References: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: <012701ce9c77$e01b2640$a05172c0$@net> > north of Chatham, east of E.Harwich. coords (NAD27) plot in the rt28 > 3/4-rectangle north of Chatham, (in case you want to know) (per Bing > Maps) east of Emery Pond (per Bing Maps), @ corner of Earls Way and > Janes Way, s of 2 red & white topped silos (Purina?). > GoogleMaps (20') [shows Janes Way as p/o Earls Way] so shows no tower > (but of course neither map is newer then a year, maybe 2) I believe those are water tanks, not silos. I'm betting the antenna is mounted on top of one of them. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Aug 18 14:27:12 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:27:12 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe In-Reply-To: References: <20130815191133.135530@gmx.com> Message-ID: Paul C: You'd probably be better of starting a new thread about this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here ;) Paul W. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Paul Currier wrote: > We have a new radio station in Chatham debuting tomorrow morning. They > are now playing Patti Page's Old Cape Cod continuously. It is WKFY Koffee > 98.7 targeted at us over 50 residents. > > There is a short article in the Cape Cod Times Saturday paper with more > detail. > > Paul > Sandwich > > > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:11:33 -0400 > > From: lglavin@mail.com > > Subject: Re: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > > To: kvahey@gmail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Kevin Vahey > > >Sent: 08/15/13 01:42 PM > > >To: Boston Radio Group > > >Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe > > > > >Jason himself tweeted the news > > https://twitter.com/jasonlwolfe/status/367992721002098688/photo/1 >Howie > Carr then when nuts on twitter >https://twitter.com/howiecarrshow > > Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING brings Howie more joy than the misfortune of > others. When two people were > > let go by the Boston Globe for "borrowings", his merriment was unbounded. > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 18 23:52:12 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:52:12 -0400 Subject: New Cape Cod Station In-Reply-To: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> References: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> Message-ID: <5211966C.60607@attorneyross.com> Is this a new signal or is it an old one under a new format and callsign -- and maybe new ownership? On 8/18/2013 7:53 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > finally found details: FCC FM query: > WKFY 98.7 cp modification, East Harwich, > 41:41:36.60, 69:58:28.90 thus north of Chatham, > east of E.Harwich. coords (NAD27) plot in > the rt28 3/4-rectangle north of Chatham, > (in case you want to know) > (per Bing Maps) east of Emery Pond (per Bing Maps), > @ corner of Earls Way and Janes Way, > s of 2 red & white topped silos (Purina?). > GoogleMaps (20') [shows Janes Way as p/o Earls Way] so shows no tower > (but of course neither map is newer then a year, maybe 2) > > non-directional, 3.2kw, 47.3m HAAT > > Call Sign begin Date WKFY 10/30/2012 > > non-drx 60 dBu contour includes Eastham, Brewster, N.Harwich, > Harwichport, Chatham, s. tip of Monomoy (anyone listening out there?), > Orleans. > > Bob > > > otherwise from net: > Codcomm Inc is John Garabedian, but not another "House Party" station! > > > > >> We have a new radio station debuting tomorrow - Koffee 98.7 Chatham - >> part of Codcomm Inc. It is aimed at us over 50 folks. Patti Page's Old >> Cape Cod is being played until tomorrow morning. >> There is a short article in Saturday's Cape Cod Times. >> >> Paul >> Sandwich >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3211/6086 - Release Date: 08/17/13 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Aug 19 00:53:25 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:53:25 -0400 Subject: New Cape Cod Station In-Reply-To: <5211966C.60607@attorneyross.com> References: <3220.69.195.60.233.1376870029.squirrel@webmail.fairpoint.net> <5211966C.60607@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: New CP sold from one owner to another. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:52 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > Is this a new signal or is it an old one under a new format and callsign > -- and maybe new ownership? > > > On 8/18/2013 7:53 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > >> finally found details: FCC FM query: >> WKFY 98.7 cp modification, East Harwich, >> 41:41:36.60, 69:58:28.90 thus north of Chatham, >> east of E.Harwich. coords (NAD27) plot in >> the rt28 3/4-rectangle north of Chatham, >> (in case you want to know) >> (per Bing Maps) east of Emery Pond (per Bing Maps), >> @ corner of Earls Way and Janes Way, >> s of 2 red & white topped silos (Purina?). >> GoogleMaps (20') [shows Janes Way as p/o Earls Way] so shows no tower >> (but of course neither map is newer then a year, maybe 2) >> >> non-directional, 3.2kw, 47.3m HAAT >> >> Call Sign begin Date WKFY 10/30/2012 >> >> non-drx 60 dBu contour includes Eastham, Brewster, N.Harwich, >> Harwichport, Chatham, s. tip of Monomoy (anyone listening out there?), >> Orleans. >> >> Bob >> >> >> otherwise from net: >> Codcomm Inc is John Garabedian, but not another "House Party" station! >> >> >> >> >> We have a new radio station debuting tomorrow - Koffee 98.7 Chatham - >>> part of Codcomm Inc. It is aimed at us over 50 folks. Patti Page's Old >>> Cape Cod is being played until tomorrow morning. >>> There is a short article in Saturday's Cape Cod Times. >>> >>> Paul >>> Sandwich >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3211/6086 - Release Date: 08/17/13 >> >> >> > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dave@skywaves.net Mon Aug 19 08:16:55 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:16:55 -0400 Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down Message-ID: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x1905499940/Pirate-radio-station-in-Brock ton-flagged-for-interference From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 19 09:25:23 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:25:23 -0400 Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down In-Reply-To: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> References: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info; the article has a quote saying it was right next to WERS, but 88.9 is the exact frequency. It mentions how in Haiti licenses aren't required, frequencies here are scarce, and so on but as I have pointed out they run ads but don't pay taxes and can interfere with important aircraft and public safety frequencies. Just last night I drove through Boston on the way back from the Marshfield Fair and pointed out to two friends riding with me some of the many unlicensed stations out there. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Dave Doherty wrote: > > http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x1905499940/Pirate-radio-station-in-Brock > ton-flagged-for-interference > > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Aug 19 09:42:42 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:42:42 -0400 Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down In-Reply-To: References: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net>, , Message-ID: ... but as I have pointed out they run ads but don't pay taxes ... Really? If the FCC doesn't care, it would seem the IRS or Mass DOR would. -Bob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 19 09:50:56 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:50:56 -0400 Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down In-Reply-To: References: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: It's possible some of these operations may be tied to a legit business--maybe someone has a nightclub and they'll start a pirate station, run music, plug their business, and report income to the DOR and IRS. These are our employees, our income, etc. and possibly they can report income from their pirate station as income from the legit operation. But if they're breaking the law (even if they claim ignorance) by being on the air illegally, they could just as easily be delinquent regarding taxes. Whether the DOR and IRS go after them, who knows. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > ... but as I have pointed out they run ads but don't pay taxes ... > > Really? > > If the FCC doesn't care, it would seem the IRS or Mass DOR would. > > > -Bob > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Aug 19 11:27:53 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:27:53 -0400 Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down In-Reply-To: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> References: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <016a01ce9cf0$ac521e30$04f65a90$@net> > http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x1905499940/Pirate-radio-station-in- > Brock > ton-flagged-for-interference Seems that this article got a couple facts wrong. The pirate that was located near the fire station was actually 100.9, causing problems for WZLX. 88.7 is the one that is/was causing problems to WERS. This station also seemed to go off the air at the same time but then returned over the weekend. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sids1045@aol.com Mon Aug 19 11:48:44 2013 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Brockton Pirate Shut Down In-Reply-To: References: <004701ce9cd5$fefca3a0$fcf5eae0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <8D06B0AB82749C1-2340-4E879@webmail-d215.sysops.aol.com> "If the FCC doesn't care, it would seem the IRS or Mass DOR would." So would ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. They respond almost immediately and take no prisoners. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Aug 19 16:23:55 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe Message-ID: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a group advertisers consider the grateful dead. In a message dated 8/19/2013 12:00:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: We have a new radio station in Chatham debuting tomorrow morning. They are now playing Patti Page's Old Cape Cod continuously. It is WKFY Koffee 98.7 targeted at us over 50 residents. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 19 17:04:48 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:04:48 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> References: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> Message-ID: <21010.34928.300582.313962@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a group > advertisers consider the grateful dead. If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. -GAWollman From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Aug 19 22:47:50 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: More changes at WERS Message-ID: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Seeing on Twitter that the nighttime hip hop show is among those canceled, and this comes in the wake of the morning show changes. Anyone with more info?

From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 19 23:51:18 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:51:18 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> On 8/19/2013 10:47 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Seeing on Twitter that the nighttime hip hop show is among those canceled, and this comes in the wake of the morning show changes. Anyone with more info?

Are decisions like this made by student station staff or by faculty? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 20 01:04:25 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:04:25 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> On 8/19/2013 11:51 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > Are decisions like this made by student station staff or by faculty? > I'd say both, but while the students do have some input, it may be more a decision of the faculty adviser & the administration than the students. When I was still at Emerson, there was a bit of a battle going on about the future of WERS; for example, some in the administration wanted WERS to play less controversial music, and they tried several times to cancel rap & hip-hop programming, ostensibly because of obscene lyrics and complaints from the alumnae (we were never told who exactly complained). But hiring community members (professionals) or changing/canceling programs would not be a decision made by students, as far as I can tell. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Aug 20 02:05:36 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 02:05:36 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> On 8/20/2013 1:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> >> Are decisions like this made by student station staff or by faculty? >> > > I'd say both, but while the students do have some input, it may be > more a decision of the faculty adviser & the administration than the > students. When I was still at Emerson, there was a bit of a battle > going on about the future of WERS; for example, some in the > administration wanted WERS to play less controversial music, and they > tried several times to cancel rap & hip-hop programming, ostensibly > because of obscene lyrics and complaints from the alumnae (we were > never told who exactly complained). But hiring community members > (professionals) or changing/canceling programs would not be a decision > made by students, as far as I can tell. I hope it isn't a move to take over the station the way Boston University did many years ago with WBUR. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 03:57:47 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 03:57:47 -0400 Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: WERS more and more is being influenced by alumni who live in LA. They are looking at being a station representative of Metro Boston. By comparison WRBB is very content on serving the inner city. We are blessed in Boston with a vibrant college radio scene in the city and several outlets subscribe to PPM to see how they are doing. WRBB was created by the FCC to destroy Simon Geller from getting a huge payday. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:05 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/20/2013 1:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > > >> >>> Are decisions like this made by student station staff or by faculty? >>> >>> >> I'd say both, but while the students do have some input, it may be more a >> decision of the faculty adviser & the administration than the students. >> When I was still at Emerson, there was a bit of a battle going on about >> the future of WERS; for example, some in the administration wanted WERS to >> play less controversial music, and they tried several times to cancel rap & >> hip-hop programming, ostensibly because of obscene lyrics and complaints >> from the alumnae (we were never told who exactly complained). But hiring >> community members (professionals) or changing/canceling programs would not >> be a decision made by students, as far as I can tell. >> > > I hope it isn't a move to take over the station the way Boston University > did many years ago with WBUR. > > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 20 05:52:48 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:52:48 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> <21010.34928.300582.313962@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1ECB582309B84C69A699C82F826BE16C@SatU205S5044> But didn't I read 3-kW ERP @ 47' AAT? Doesn't sound as if much area will be covered. Is there something magic about the antenna location that will result in especially good coverage of the target demo? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: WKFY > < >> It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a >> group >> advertisers consider the grateful dead. > > If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. > > And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there > are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. > > -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Tue Aug 20 07:27:34 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:27:34 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I hope it isn't a move to take over the station the >way Boston > University did many years ago with WBUR. I wonder if any of the students at Emerson will organize a group to protest the changes. I recall several years ago when WUML Lowell partnered with the Lowell Sun for a news and information morning show plus the plan to have a talk show with Christopher Lydon produced there. Many students and alumni of U Mass Lowell (and U Lowell/Lowell Tech alums too) who worked/enjoyed WUML/WLTI spoke up about these changes and the fear of losing those hours and more. Both the morning show and the Lydon show didn't last too long and for now all is well at WUML. Only person who remained on the U Mass Lowell payroll from that fiasco is Bob Ellis, the morning show host. After the show ended, he became the assistant sports press relations person and still calls U Mass Lowell hockey games on WUML (also simulcast on WCAP) as he has for several years. Mark Watson From markwa1ion@aol.com Tue Aug 20 13:11:25 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> Coffee 98.7 sounds more like "decaf" to me. On one hand, it is not "WJIB South" since I have noted no Big Band / '40s crooners and only token '50s / early '60s top 40 representation. So on that end, it doesn't fulfill that part of my radio diet. It is highly dominated by light-rock / pop from the '70s up to maybe 5 years ago. During that period, my tastes were predominantly harder rock with a good amount of Celtic and British folk-rock stirred in. The WKFY version of 1970-2010 is miles away from what I want from that period. On the "rockier" side Pixy 103 (102.9) and on the mellower side Ocean 104.7 are doing a better job hitting my musical tastes in material of the most recent 40 years. The 98.7 signal is no barn-burner as I drive around the South Yarmouth - West Yarmouth - Hyannis area. There are more drop-outs / dead spots than most would tolerate on a "local" station. Signal is in the same league as slightly off-Cape FM's like 95.9 and 99.1: generally OK for stationary listening but not quite up to snuff for driving. Re Dan's comment I think it's 47 meters (not feet) AAT but that's still on the puny side even for the flat region being served. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA << On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT), TVNETDUDE@aol.com said: > It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a group > advertisers consider the grateful dead. If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. -GAWollman >> << But didn't I read 3-kW ERP @ 47' AAT? Doesn't sound as if much area will be covered. Is there something magic about the antenna location that will result in especially good coverage of the target demo? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: WKFY > < >> It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a >> group >> advertisers consider the grateful dead. > > If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. > > And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there > are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. > > -GAWollman >> From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 10:30:36 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:30:36 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The Globe has this article about the apparent cancellations: http://www.boston.com/culturedesk/2013/08/20/has-wers-cancelled-rockers-and-night-two-late-night-music-programs/2clT0JqTiUaAy0zjyqOgIJ/story.html It mentioned Rockers goes back to 1978...and that it's the longest running college radio show in the nation. I wonder though; wasn't HIllbilly at Harvard, WHRB, on even before then? I believe I remember seeing Rockers listed in such places as the Globe (remember the radio page in TV Week, or the daily radio listings?), the Phoenix, and even a short lived publication called Radio Waves..which I'd buy at a newsstand in Lynn during my high school years. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > I hope it isn't a move to take over the station the >way Boston >> University did many years ago with WBUR. >> > > I wonder if any of the students at Emerson will organize a group to > protest the changes. I recall several years ago when WUML Lowell partnered > with the Lowell Sun for a news and information morning show plus the plan > to have a talk show with Christopher Lydon produced there. Many students > and alumni of U Mass Lowell (and U Lowell/Lowell Tech alums too) who > worked/enjoyed WUML/WLTI spoke up about these changes and the fear of > losing those hours and more. Both the morning show and the Lydon show > didn't last too long and for now all is well at WUML. Only person who > remained on the U Mass Lowell payroll from that fiasco is Bob Ellis, the > morning show host. After the show ended, he became the assistant sports > press relations person and still calls U Mass Lowell hockey games on WUML > (also simulcast on WCAP) as he has for several years. > > Mark Watson > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 20 15:05:45 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:05:45 -0400 Subject: Doing Voice-Overs Although Legally Blind In-Reply-To: References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5213BE09.4010508@donnahalper.com> Don't know how many of you saw this amazing piece about Pete Gustin, a successful voice-over guy in Boston (and now, nationally) despite having been diagnosed with a degenerative eye disease when he was only 8. http://www.boston.com/news/source/2013/08/weeis_long-time_voice-over_guy_is_legally_blind_watch.html From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 13:51:36 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:51:36 -0400 Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <20130820173021.305650@gmx.com> References: <20130820173021.305650@gmx.com> Message-ID: When WRBB first went on the air it could be heard in Cambridge and Somerville but when WBOQ came along and improved what Geller had WRBB just vanished north of the river. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Kevin Vahey > > >Sent: 08/20/13 03:57 AM > > >To: Boston Radio Group > > >Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS > > > >WERS more and more is being influenced by alumni who live in LA. > > >They are looking at being a station representative of Metro Boston. > > >By comparison WRBB is very content on serving the inner city. > > > > > The last time I did a coverage check of WRBB was before WBOQ installed its > new antenna a few miles farther > > away from Northeastern, and its signal only began to come in clearly as I > crossed the Smoot Bridge and was gone by slightly > > beyond Wentworth Institute. I don't know how far south its signal goes > if one were to travel south down Mass > > Avenue. Maybe somebody who has sampled the signal in Dorchester and > Mattapan could describe its coverage there. > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 16:22:10 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:22:10 -0400 Subject: WEEI drops Celtics Message-ID: Entercom continues to cut corners Celtics options are very limited right now. http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/08/celtics_will_no_longer_air_on_weei.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 16:54:59 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:54:59 -0400 Subject: WEEI drops Celtics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed they are limited; CBS has hands full with Pats and B's on Sports Hub (Revs too), though if there are conflicting games and 98.5 got the C's, they could bump 'em to 100.7 or even WBZ 1030... WUFC 1510? Not the best signal. Has local and national sports shows plus Sox in Spanish. There is a C's radio network I believe in the region...I know in the past WBOQ 104.9 in Gloucester was an affiliate (and it still is a Sox radio affiliate). If they went to 1510 could someone else help pick them up in Boston/surrounding areas where 1510's weak? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Entercom continues to cut corners > > Celtics options are very limited right now. > > > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/08/celtics_will_no_longer_air_on_weei.html > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Aug 20 17:32:00 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: I never count them out. It should be a no brainer. Affluent people that ACTUALLY listen to radio. Mike In a message dated 8/20/2013 12:16:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Aug 20 17:08:10 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI drops Celtics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1377032890.32403.YahooMailIosMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Best option is 98.5 and hope CBS can find an outlet for the games it can't air (1510?).

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Aug 20 17:11:55 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI drops Celtics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1377033115.36362.YahooMailIosMobile@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Also very surprised the Celtics weren't more prepared for this. I figured they would have signed a longer deal in the past few years to hedge bets on being dumped in the wake of Rivers, Pierce and Garnett leaving.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Aug 20 19:09:47 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI drops Celtics In-Reply-To: <6C5D65CB6680445BA741ADA349C803C1@PaulPC> Message-ID: <1377040187.35238.YahooMailIosMobile@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Paul wrote: "98.5 secondary to Pats and B's....use 100.7 for backup."

This is what Ordway surmised on Twitter. Would 100.7 get more ears for Celtics games than classic rock at night? That's the question.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 20 20:17:57 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:17:57 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On one hand, it is not "WJIB South" since I have noted no Big Band / > '40s crooners and only token '50s / early '60s top 40 > representation. So on that end, it doesn't fulfill that part of my > radio diet. > It is highly dominated by light-rock / pop from the '70s up to maybe > 5 years ago. During that period, my tastes were predominantly > harder rock with a good amount of Celtic and British folk-rock > stirred in. With respect, I don't think that your taste is particularly representative. (Neither is mine, but in different ways.) Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when forced to by their parents. I had a look in Whitburn for the week I was born (in 1972). My parents would have heard on the radio then: The Stylistics, Johnny Nash, America ("Ventura Highway" was a big hit that month), Gilbert O'Sullivan, The Temptations ("Papa Was a Rollin' Stone"), Albert Hammond, Al Green, Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes, Helen Reddy ("I Am Woman"), and Billy Paul. Also in that month, you had Carly Simon, Curtis Mayfield, Donna Fargo, Loggins & Messina, The Spinners, Seals & Crofts, and Lobo. If you take two decades of that, filter out all the stuff by people who are little remembered now or that doesn't test well.... -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Aug 20 20:52:45 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:52:45 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52140F5D.1040709@fybush.com> On 8/20/2013 8:17 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> It is highly dominated by light-rock / pop from the '70s up to maybe >> 5 years ago. During that period, my tastes were predominantly >> harder rock with a good amount of Celtic and British folk-rock >> stirred in. > > With respect, I don't think that your taste is particularly > representative. (Neither is mine, but in different ways.) > I think both Mark's and Garrett's points are quite valid ones. Whitburn represents one piece of the larger airplay puzzle, but tends not to include the harder rock that would have been a staple on the WBCN and WCOZ playlists of the era (and on Mark's playlist even now.) It sounds as though what WKFY is playing in 2013, at least from the early 70s, hews closely to what Clark might have been programming on Softrock WEEI-FM back then...which makes it a nice fit against the harder edge of Codcomm stablemate WPXC and the Cape's other rockers. As for the question about the signal: no way is it a barn-burner, or even a Barnstable-burner (can I get a rimshot? Oh wait, it IS a rimshot!) But it's what was available to be sandwiched in against WBZ-FM and WPLM-FM, and if I'm Garabedian, I'd rather have the elbow of the Cape than nothing at all. It's always possible to trade up later on if a better group of signals becomes available. From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Aug 20 21:32:24 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/2013 8:20:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when forced to by their parents. ----------------------------- Very true, especially that last sentence. And many had 40's BigBand & 50's standards forced upon them. BUTTTTTTT..... it's something I keep hearing over and over and over from WJIB listeners.... They want to hear it because it reminds them of their fond memories of their parents. Or in the case of the 30-somethings that listen... fond memories of the grandparents. - Photographs and MUSIC are probably the two major "emotion grabbers" in existence. ----On a related note, $20k was just spent by WJTO for a new transmitter, and repair of portions of the ground system. So WJTO's music should be blasting onto much of Cape Cod. ---jibguy From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 20 22:54:04 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:54:04 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <52140F5D.1040709@fybush.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52140F5D.1040709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <21012.11212.789910.347417@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think both Mark's and Garrett's points are quite valid ones. Whitburn > represents one piece of the larger airplay puzzle, but tends not to > include the harder rock that would have been a staple on the WBCN and > WCOZ playlists of the era (and on Mark's playlist even now.) Which makes perfect sense because the Hot 100 was still at that time based on sales of singles in record stores, and the sort of stuff WBCN et al. were playing back then was called "album rock" for a reason. (Many of those tracks didn't even fit on a single, notwithstanding the "Dylan extension" to six minutes per side.) It appears that Billboard didn't start monitoring airplay for an "Album Rock Tracks" chart until 1981, well after the period we were discussing. (I believe they did have a Rock Albums chart that goes back far enough, but at least the advertisement in the back of my Whitburn "Top 10 Singles Charts" volume doesn't mention any compilations of those charts.) -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Aug 20 22:35:07 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:35:07 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: ... it's something I keep hearing over and over and over from WJIB listeners.... > They want to hear it because it reminds them of their fond memories of > their parents... Yes! And I thought I was alone. In my younger years, Lawrence Welk wasa family Saturday night staple. And when I got a driver's license, car, andthe freedom that came with it - I may have been listening to WVBF or WBCNon my own - but my house was still filled with the sounds of Tommy Dorsey,Artie Shaw, Glen Miller, Percy Faith, and a lot of less famous names playingon the Motorola stereo in the living room. Also, yes the Motorola stereo is in the basement. The tubes still light upand the turntable still spins, though maybe not very often. -Bob From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 21 00:00:11 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> In '72 I was listening to Yes, Jethro Tull, Steeleye Span, Strawbs, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Led Zeppelin, Fairport Convention, Who, etc. Maxanne Sartori on WBCN and Donna Halper on WCAS were my main radio conduits to the tunes. The stuff you listed, typical of WRKO then, was only of tangential / peripheral interest. Largely a "snooze", case in point Billy Paul "Me and Mrs. Jones" or anything by the Osmonds: automatic push of car radio button in search of anything with a hot guitar. This taste profile was not at all unusual among my EE class associates at Northeastern U. then. Of course I did not grow up during the Big Band era but, through DJ's like Bill Marlowe and Tony Cennamo in Boston and several on WNEW (1130) NY, I became a fan of Goodman, Dorsey, Miller, Sinatra, etc. as another quality choice in my musical "palette". Classical fits in sometimes too and that was certainly before my time. I did not have to be forced to enjoy older music by my parents. It just sounded like good stuff, along with western swing, small-combo jazz (Monk, Mingus, Miles, Parker, Coltrane, Brubeck), blues, bluegrass, pre '60s country, doo-wop, and a number of other bodies of musical work that predated when I first started seriously following top 40 on WMEX, WCOP, WBZ, and WHIL circa 1960 at age 10-11. Apparently the thinking is that if you started listening in a given year, you are completely oblivious to material from the previous year or earlier. And how is it that more than a few current / recent college students actually enjoy performers such as Tony Bennett? Or that Bob Wills and Marty Robbins are part of the music mix in Tex-Mex bars / BBQ joints mostly occupied by people under 40? The good stuff is durable, well known across age groups, and belongs on the radio beyond Sirius/XM. Radio exec's follow what I would call "too vanilla" programming concepts. Dull and predictable with few jaw-dropping surprise cuts. Slaves to Billboard which didn't even accurately follow what was on the air in Boston. Is WKFY going to give me three of my all-time faves from 1961 - "You Don't Know" (Helen Shapiro), "Temptation" (Everly Bros.), "Turn On Your Love Light" (Bobby Blue Bland)? Kind of thinking not since they weren't that big on Billboard even if they did power my 6th/7th grade world. At least WJIB's Bob Bittner pulls a few left-field goodies out of the bag, admittedly within the generally non-rock concept he's following. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Connelly Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:17 pm Subject: Re: WKFY < said: > On one hand, it is not "WJIB South" since I have noted no Big Band / > '40s crooners and only token '50s / early '60s top 40 > representation. So on that end, it doesn't fulfill that part of my > radio diet. > It is highly dominated by light-rock / pop from the '70s up to maybe > 5 years ago. During that period, my tastes were predominantly > harder rock with a good amount of Celtic and British folk-rock > stirred in. With respect, I don't think that your taste is particularly representative. (Neither is mine, but in different ways.) Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when forced to by their parents. I had a look in Whitburn for the week I was born (in 1972). My parents would have heard on the radio then: The Stylistics, Johnny Nash, America ("Ventura Highway" was a big hit that month), Gilbert O'Sullivan, The Temptations ("Papa Was a Rollin' Stone"), Albert Hammond, Al Green, Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes, Helen Reddy ("I Am Woman"), and Billy Paul. Also in that month, you had Carly Simon, Curtis Mayfield, Donna Fargo, Loggins & Messina, The Spinners, Seals & Crofts, and Lobo. If you take two decades of that, filter out all the stuff by people who are little remembered now or that doesn't test well.... -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Aug 20 23:04:31 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:04:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS Message-ID: <14171816.1377054271533.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 03:57:47 -0400 >From: Kevin Vahey >To: >Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS > >WRBB was created by the FCC to destroy Simon Geller from >getting a huge payday. The creation of WRBB had nothing to do with Simon Geller. When WRBB was originally granted an FM on-air broadcast license circa 1970 or so, it was on 91.7 FM, and was for over the following decade. Geller's WVCA was on 104.9 FM. By the time that WRBB moved to 104.9 FM in 1982, Class D FM stations such as WRBB (the old classification for FM stations under 100 watts, long before today's LPFM class) were no longer granted protection by the FCC. Geller could have sent more power toward Boston and caused interference to WRBB, and they would not have had grounds to complain. When 104.9 in Gloucester was sold from Geller to Tanger in 1988 and WVCA became WBOQ, the Gloucester signal was tweaked a bit, and caused a bit more interference to WRBB, especially "across the river" in Cambridge and Somerville. This could have been done before, but Geller either just didn't get around to it or didn't have the money to spend. However, the limiting factors for the Gloucester 104.9 were never WRBB. They were always, and still are, first adjacent Class B (50kW) stations on 105.1 in Providence, 104.7 in Orleans (Cape Cod), and possibly other stations elsewhere, but not the unprotected Class D WRBB. WRBB just happens to be in the pathway in between WBOQ and Providence, so it may appear that WBOQ's pattern protects WRBB, but it's not intended to. That's only a coincidence. EP From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 21 00:22:11 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:22:11 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Radio exec's follow what I would call "too vanilla" programming > concepts. Dull and predictable with few jaw-dropping surprise cuts. Because the target demo *doesn't like that*. Those cuts are turn-offs for most listeners. Of course it's different obscure tracks for different listeners, but a station can't afford *everyone* tuning out. You are displaying classic rock-snobbism, I'm afraid. Just because music geeks like being surprised, it does not follow that Jane Background Listener wants to hear that in the coffee shop or on her drive to the supermarket -- particularly if it takes the music out of the realm of "pleasant background noise" and demands that she pay attention to it. -GAWollman From rbello@belloassoc.com Wed Aug 21 01:05:06 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:05:06 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Was going to call it "Soft Rock 98.7". Although I would not discount John H's programing, the Cape has not been sitting around waiting for 98.7 Both Easy 99.1 and Ocean 104.7 have served the 50+ listeners on Cape Cod for years. Another example of the Cape being over radioed. Surprised that they are already running commercials. >From my perch in the south side of Mashpee, the signal is quite listenable at home. Not so much in the car. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Mark Connelly wrote: > > Coffee 98.7 sounds more like "decaf" to me. > > > On one hand, it is not "WJIB South" since I have noted no Big Band / '40s > crooners and only token '50s / early '60s top 40 representation. So on > that end, it doesn't fulfill that part of my radio diet. > > > It is highly dominated by light-rock / pop from the '70s up to maybe 5 > years ago. During that period, my tastes were predominantly harder rock > with a good amount of Celtic and British folk-rock stirred in. The WKFY > version of 1970-2010 is miles away from what I want from that period. On > the "rockier" side Pixy 103 (102.9) and on the mellower side Ocean 104.7 > are doing a better job hitting my musical tastes in material of the most > recent 40 years. > > > The 98.7 signal is no barn-burner as I drive around the South Yarmouth - > West Yarmouth - Hyannis area. There are more drop-outs / dead spots than > most would tolerate on a "local" station. Signal is in the same league as > slightly off-Cape FM's like 95.9 and 99.1: generally OK for stationary > listening but not quite up to snuff for driving. > > > Re Dan's comment I think it's 47 meters (not feet) AAT but that's still on > the puny side even for the flat region being served. > > > Mark Connelly > South Yarmouth, MA > > > << > On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT), TVNETDUDE@aol.com said: > > > > It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a > group > > advertisers consider the grateful dead. > > If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. > > > And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there > are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. > > -GAWollman > >> > > > << > But didn't I read 3-kW ERP @ 47' AAT? Doesn't sound as if much area will > be covered. Is there something magic about the antenna location that will > result in especially good coverage of the target demo? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" < > wollman@bimajority.org> > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:04 PM > Subject: WKFY > > > < > > >> It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a >> > group > >> advertisers consider the grateful dead. > > > > If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. > > > > And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there > > are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. > > > > -GAWollman > >> > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 01:07:24 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:07:24 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: BINGO - I'm 63 now. I discovered WMEX in 1962 ( much to the horror of my parents ) My brother was 18 years older ( born 1932 ) and one afternoon we were driving back from NY after putting our parents on a ship to Europe and to humor me he put on WABC and by the time we hit New Haven he said they are repeating their songs. WHDH was the station my parents listened to the most ( my Dad would then listen to WEZE in the mid 60's ) But those MOR songs of the early to mid 60's are part of my life because of my parents. In my teens I embraced WMEX ( missed WCOP by a year ), WBZ, fell in love with WRKO-FM in 1966 and then the Big 68. ( and as a sports fan WHDH) In my early 20's I still embraced WRKO and WMEX - ( I finally got a FM converter for the car and would listen to WVBF ) - WBCN was a station I listened to at home late at night. By the mid 70's WHDH became my station of choice in the car and I came to appreciate Jess Cain. Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I have NO recollection of #1 http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.html On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 8:20:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wollman@bimajority.org writes: > > Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a > teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family > in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than > '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when > forced to by their parents. > > > > > ----------------------------- > Very true, especially that last sentence. And many had 40's BigBand & > 50's standards forced upon them. BUTTTTTTT..... it's something I keep > hearing over and over and over from WJIB listeners.... They want to hear > it > because it reminds them of their fond memories of their parents. Or in > the > case of the 30-somethings that listen... fond memories of the > grandparents. > - Photographs and MUSIC are probably the two major "emotion grabbers" in > existence. > ----On a related note, $20k was just spent by WJTO for a new transmitter, > and repair of portions of the ground system. So WJTO's music should be > blasting onto much of Cape Cod. > ---jibguy > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 21 00:49:14 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> I think that 99.1 and 104.7 down here are already providing "pleasant background noise". It's sad that "give 'em valium" is the mission statement in the boardroom these days. No one is saying that a "surprise" cut has to be more than one or two per hour. I have to be realistic and know that no DJ today is going to unload the entire '60s garage-rock contents of the 3-CD Rhino Nuggets compilation in one show (as cool as that would be). Beyond the music there are the on-air people. Or in many cases, lack thereof. Radio was interesting, i.e. "foreground", both in the era of on-air drama and later as the late '60s / early '70s free-form / progressive music movement took hold. Even the Drake-Chenault Top 40's exuded excitement compared to most offerings now. DJ's had personality whether it was MoR Carl DeSuze and Jess Cain or rockers like Laquidara, Sartori, and Garabedian. There was wit in the talk and genuine interest in the music. I don't see why a natural desire for mentally-engaging radio, whether in a music or a talk format, would be considered snobbery. Of course that kind of radio doesn't mix well with cost-cutting concepts of having stations run by computers using canned talk from so-called personalities setting things up in cities far from the audience. Running things cheap means running things dull. There are still some bits of genius between 88 and 92 MHz but things are even getting a bit too cookie-cutter down there too. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Connelly Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 12:22 am Subject: Re: WKFY < said: > Radio exec's follow what I would call "too vanilla" programming > concepts. Dull and predictable with few jaw-dropping surprise cuts. Because the target demo *doesn't like that*. Those cuts are turn-offs for most listeners. Of course it's different obscure tracks for different listeners, but a station can't afford *everyone* tuning out. You are displaying classic rock-snobbism, I'm afraid. Just because music geeks like being surprised, it does not follow that Jane Background Listener wants to hear that in the coffee shop or on her drive to the supermarket -- particularly if it takes the music out of the realm of "pleasant background noise" and demands that she pay attention to it. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 21 00:25:49 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:25:49 -0400 Subject: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: References: <1376966870.96004.YahooMailIosMobile@web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5212E7B6.9070100@attorneyross.com> <5212F8D9.1080408@donnahalper.com> <52130730.2030303@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5214414D.3020307@attorneyross.com> On 8/20/2013 7:27 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> I hope it isn't a move to take over the station the >way Boston >> University did many years ago with WBUR. > > I wonder if any of the students at Emerson will organize a group to > protest the changes. I recall several years ago when WUML Lowell > partnered with the Lowell Sun for a news and information morning show > plus the plan to have a talk show with Christopher Lydon produced > there. Many students and alumni of U Mass Lowell (and U Lowell/Lowell > Tech alums too) who worked/enjoyed WUML/WLTI spoke up about these > changes and the fear of losing those hours and more. Both the morning > show and the Lydon show didn't last too long and for now all is well > at WUML. Only person who remained on the U Mass Lowell payroll from > that fiasco is Bob Ellis, the morning show host. After the show ended, > he became the assistant sports press relations person and still calls > U Mass Lowell hockey games on WUML (also simulcast on WCAP) as he has > for several years. I'm glad to hear that it worked out so well for WUML. Ever since I heard about the original takeover attempt, I've wondered what would happen if UMass ever tried to take over WMUA. I suspect that WMUA and UMass Amherst alums would rise to the challenge, but I hope the occasion never arises. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 21 00:30:54 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:30:54 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <52140F5D.1040709@fybush.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52140F5D.1040709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5214427E.5090203@attorneyross.com> On 8/20/2013 8:52 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > As for the question about the signal: no way is it a barn-burner, or > even a Barnstable-burner (can I get a rimshot? Oh wait, it IS a > rimshot!) But it's what was available to be sandwiched in against > WBZ-FM and WPLM-FM, and if I'm Garabedian, I'd rather have the elbow > of the Cape than nothing at all. It's always possible to trade up > later on if a better group of signals becomes available. Provided the signal is good enough to have a viable station until then. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 21 00:44:43 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:44:43 -0400 Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS In-Reply-To: <14171816.1377054271533.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14171816.1377054271533.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <521445BB.5040803@attorneyross.com> My recollection is that WBOQ did try to get into the Boston market at one time, back in the early 1990s. I first heard them, sometime around 1988, on my car radio driving down Storrow Drive and wondered where the classical music was coming from. On my home stereo, I got WBOQ or WRBB, depending on how I aimed the antenna, but sometimes the WRBB signal was strong enough (or the WBOQ signal was weak enough) that I couldn't quite null out WRBB altogether and heard some of the base beat. I remember seeing posters promoting WBOQ in the classical section of the records department at Borders Books on the corner of School and Washington Streets downtown. I also once or twice phoned WBOQ and spoke to someone who expressed their frustration with WRBB's signal, which stymied their ambition of getting into the Boston market. I believe they had tried to buy off WRBB or help them find another frequency, but nothing came of it. Eventually they installed a direction antenna, pointing away from Boston, and concentrated on areas to their north and west. And gave up classical music as well. And it's become much harder to receive them in the Boston area now. On 8/20/2013 11:04 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: >> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 03:57:47 -0400 >> From: Kevin Vahey >> To: >> Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS >> >> WRBB was created by the FCC to destroy Simon Geller from >> getting a huge payday. > The creation of WRBB had nothing to do with Simon Geller. > When WRBB was originally granted an FM on-air broadcast > license circa 1970 or so, it was on 91.7 FM, and was for > over the following decade. Geller's WVCA was on 104.9 FM. > > By the time that WRBB moved to 104.9 FM in 1982, Class D > FM stations such as WRBB (the old classification for FM > stations under 100 watts, long before today's LPFM class) > were no longer granted protection by the FCC. Geller could > have sent more power toward Boston and caused interference > to WRBB, and they would not have had grounds to complain. > > When 104.9 in Gloucester was sold from Geller to Tanger > in 1988 and WVCA became WBOQ, the Gloucester signal was > tweaked a bit, and caused a bit more interference to WRBB, > especially "across the river" in Cambridge and Somerville. > This could have been done before, but Geller either just > didn't get around to it or didn't have the money to spend. > > However, the limiting factors for the Gloucester 104.9 > were never WRBB. They were always, and still are, first > adjacent Class B (50kW) stations on 105.1 in Providence, > 104.7 in Orleans (Cape Cod), and possibly other stations > elsewhere, but not the unprotected Class D WRBB. > > WRBB just happens to be in the pathway in between WBOQ and > Providence, so it may appear that WBOQ's pattern protects > WRBB, but it's not intended to. That's only a coincidence. > > EP > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3211/6094 - Release Date: 08/20/13 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 01:52:07 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:52:07 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: I went to You Tube and called it up - ya I know the song ( just wish I didn't ) On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) > Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee > Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii > Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee > Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) > > > > Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I > have NO recollection of #1 > http://musicradio77.com/**Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.**html > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > > >> In a message dated 8/20/2013 8:20:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> wollman@bimajority.org writes: >> >> Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a >> teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family >> in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than >> '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when >> forced to by their parents. >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> Very true, especially that last sentence. And many had 40's BigBand & >> 50's standards forced upon them. BUTTTTTTT..... it's something I keep >> hearing over and over and over from WJIB listeners.... They want to hear >> it >> because it reminds them of their fond memories of their parents. Or in >> the >> case of the 30-somethings that listen... fond memories of the >> grandparents. >> - Photographs and MUSIC are probably the two major "emotion grabbers" in >> existence. >> ----On a related note, $20k was just spent by WJTO for a new transmitter, >> and repair of portions of the ground system. So WJTO's music should be >> blasting onto much of Cape Cod. >> ---jibguy >> >> > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 21 02:22:11 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 02:22:11 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > DJ's had personality whether it was MoR Carl DeSuze and Jess Cain or > rockers like Laquidara, Sartori, and Garabedian. There was wit in > the talk and genuine interest in the music. I don't see why a > natural desire for mentally-engaging radio, whether in a music or a > talk format, would be considered snobbery. And today, unlike forty years ago, we have actual market research that demonstrates that *this is not what the majority of listeners want*. (Or if they do want that, they are listening to noncommercial radio of various sorts already, and probably not reachable by any commercial station.) Not only that, we have minute-by-minute PPM records that can actually show the listeners tuning out when an unfamiliar song or a mic set or a stop set starts. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 21 02:26:43 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 02:26:43 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21012.23971.160139.85756@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > of the Cape being over radioed. Surprised that they are already running > commercials. I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually comping those spots -- as the station is just starting, they could well have been thrown in as a bonus with spots on other Codcomm stations, just so that the station sounds to listeners and other potential advertisers as if it's already successful. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 21 01:59:52 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:59:52 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <52145758.6070101@attorneyross.com> On 8/21/2013 1:52 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I went to You Tube and called it up - ya I know the song ( just wish I > didn't ) > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >> I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >> Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) That looks like someone combined the beginning of "Louie Louie" with the last line of the chorus of "Hang Down Your Head, Tom Dooley." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From Jibguy@aol.com Wed Aug 21 09:29:13 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/2013 1:07:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I have NO recollection of #1 http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.html ----------------------------- Two notches apart, a Carpenters song and Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water". That couldn't happen nowadays! - AND what is 1962's "Monster Mash" doing on that August 1973 chart? ---jibguy From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 10:51:33 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:51:33 -0400 Subject: Entercom fires Jason Wolfe In-Reply-To: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> References: <12b631.6e523795.3f43d8db@aol.com> Message-ID: >>a group advertisers consider the grateful dead. This goes back to the 70s, but remember the first episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati"? WKRP had been an "elevator music" station but Andy Travis, the new program director, suddenly changed the format to rock. The station's owner, Mrs. Carlson, objects (her son Arthur was the general manager) but Andy points out that radio is a business and "rock and roll is where the money is". Problem is, they still had some of the ads they were under contract to run, so the episode ends with DJ Venus Flytrap saying on air, "So let's get down little brothers and sisters--together we will growl, and HOWL!" (shifts to a more sedate tone of voice)--"...right after this message from Shady Hills Rest Home." SPOT: "Many people have asked this age-old question...what happens when I can no longer feed myself?..." On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM, wrote: > It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a group > advertisers consider the grateful dead. > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2013 12:00:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: > > We have a new radio station in Chatham debuting tomorrow morning. They > are now playing Patti Page's Old Cape Cod continuously. It is WKFY Koffee > 98.7 targeted at us over 50 residents. > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 21 11:26:58 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> It sounds as though listeners don't really want anything from music radio that they couldn't get from a reasonably stocked iPod: little / no DJ talk, few surprise songs, etc. If listening is so passive, how could ads be expected to draw a listener's attention rather than getting a quick button push / dial twist as the response? When DJ's do talk now, it's often the silly morning stuff which is loaded more with celebrity gossip / Hollywood pratfall stories than any news, traffic, weather, or business the listener really needs. Apparently it's OK to reduce the amount of music selections during morning drive so we can all figure out what the Kardashians or Lindsey Lohan are up to. WBZ still reigns supreme for me when I'm taking a long drive and need to know what's really going on. The problem of designing a "50+" music station is that the main "river" of Top 40 that the majority of listeners followed started breaking off into various "streams" around 1965 when both the Beatles and Bob Dylan set Album Rock in motion. By the late '60s there were two distinct radio audiences in high schools and colleges. We-play-most-anything Top 40 even started branching off several ways itself. John H. Garabedian and Cousin Duffy on WMEX incorporated at least a few of the more adventurous album-rock sounds that were so big on the WBCN-FM side while not straying too much. Meanwhile WRKO and WVBF were going lighter with tons of bubblegum and material along the lines of Osmonds, Carpenters, Poppy Family, and the like. Within the same age group, roughly those born in the 1948-1958 range, there were widely divergent sets of musical tastes by the mid to late '70s. This makes setting up a radio format difficult. Even if everyone started out listening to the same top 40 stuff on WMEX in the late '50s and early '60s, these people were "all over the map" by 1978 or so. If a stations wants to put '50s / early '60s "traditional oldies" in a seniors-oriented format, the problem is always going to be "What newer music (meaning '70s and later) goes with that?" It seems that most programmers think that disco / soft-pop is the track these oldies listeners had adopted by the late '70s / early '80s. You will hear an Elvis or Roy Orbison oldie and then Captain & Tennille or Air Supply or Barry Manilow or KC & the Sunshine Band. Maybe that really is where some of that audience was. But weren't just as many of those '50s / early '60s top 40 aficionados on a harder rock track by their college / early work lives in the '70s? Wouldn't Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, and Elvis Presley sound just as good in a mix with Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Thorogood, Allman Bros., ZZ Top, and Stevie Ray Vaughn as with the Bee Gees, Air Supply, and Christopher Cross (the stuff "oldies people" / baby-boomers were "supposed" to have migrated to by 1980)? At least on my iPod backyard BBQ mixes I can throw the more kicked-up '50s stuff in with '60s blues-rock, '70s southern rock, splashes of old and new country, '80s/'90s Springsteen and Mellencamp, etc., and it all sounds great. No wimped-out late '70s soft-rock to put people to sleep. Knowing that no one station could do it all for a 50+ audience, my idea would be to look for holes in the currently available formats. It is a given that listeners are not going to stick with one station all day. If you can give them something substantially different from what is already available, you might grab at least a decent sized slice of the total pie. I don't think 98.7 is really there yet. If they would at least do an oldies (1954-1969) block maybe on a Saturday night like WATD and a big-band / crooners block maybe on Sunday night, that would be a step in the right direction. A request show could be cool too, along with one or more personality DJ's. The "what to do with the '70s and later?" issue is still going to be tricky for the split-audience reasons enumerated above. Since soft rock is already well covered by 99.1 and 104.7 and hard rock by 102.9, I guess the idea might be to reach into both formats in a way that is cleverly engineered to avoid shock segues. After all, our old beloved Top 40's played both hard and soft - sometimes even one butted up against the other. Perhaps because there was enough of a space between the songs with DJ patter, the effect wasn't as jarring as a direct segue you'd get on a computer run station today. I do wish WKFY success. I just think that some tweaks might be in order. Maybe these can even be sneaked in without making "Jane Whitebread" tune out in favor of something else on her weekly trip to the Harwich Stop & Shop. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Connelly Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 2:22 am Subject: Re: WKFY < said: > DJ's had personality whether it was MoR Carl DeSuze and Jess Cain or > rockers like Laquidara, Sartori, and Garabedian. There was wit in > the talk and genuine interest in the music. I don't see why a > natural desire for mentally-engaging radio, whether in a music or a > talk format, would be considered snobbery. And today, unlike forty years ago, we have actual market research that demonstrates that *this is not what the majority of listeners want*. (Or if they do want that, they are listening to noncommercial radio of various sorts already, and probably not reachable by any commercial station.) Not only that, we have minute-by-minute PPM records that can actually show the listeners tuning out when an unfamiliar song or a mic set or a stop set starts. -GAWollman From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Aug 21 10:53:07 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:53:07 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> References: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130821104847.03dd0eb8@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:29 AM 8/21/2013, Jibguy wrote: >... AND what is 1962's "Monster Mash" doing on that August 1973 chart? Many songs have been re-released, including some novelty tunes. The 1962 release of Monster Mash on Garpax spent two weeks at #1 on the Hot Hundred. The 1973 re-release on Parrot only made it to #10. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Aug 21 12:09:16 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <032701ce9e84$8a286d60$9e794820$@garysicecream.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> <032701ce9e84$8a286d60$9e794820$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <8D06C9FEB10893A-10E4-6494D@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> Gary, I used to listen to that format on WCAP when I was living in Billerica. I enjoyed it. Since I could get post-1965 harder rock from WZLX and others, a station playing pre-1965 Top 40 oldies, as well as jazz / standards all the way back to the '40s, filled a niche not otherwise available. WJIB and WJTO do OK with what they cover, but sometimes more R&B / rock in the mix would be better. That would include Chuck Berry, various doo-wop groups, and classic pre-rockers like "Sixty Minute Man". WCAP's present "Beatles and before" isn't too bad but you'll never hear anything surprising there and, of course, pre-rock (big bands et al.) is off the radar. WCAP cannot be enjoyed consistently here on the Cape: its day signal is weak next to slopover from super-loud WZAN-970 Portland, ME. At night, WOFX-980 (Troy, NY) usually rolls over WCAP with its Fox Sports programming. Sometimes I can get Dick Summer's midnight chat from WCAP but more often WOFX's sports rules 980 then. It would appear that the latest radio outlet on 98.7 is neither going to look like what you did on WCAP nor what Bob does on WJIB/WJTO. Too bad. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Gary's Ice Cream To: 'Mark Connelly' Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 11:38 am Subject: RE: WKFY In the 8 years that I was programming nights and overnights at WCAP in Lowell I found a wide diverse demo listening to what I was calling "Music & Memories Overnight". I had a mix of big bands, instrumentals, crooners, and most of the pop hits of the 60's and 70's. We'd go from Guy Lombardo to Petula Clark to the Monkees to Glenn Miller to Rosemary Clooney.....and it was a good mix to listen to. I regularly got letters and e-mails from folks as far from Lowell as Arlington and Sandwich who were listening to us on night pattern. I am a firm believer that a format like that, with live jocks who did a mid-60's WBZ type presentation would be a success on a Boston FM. But it would have to be the right mix of music and the right jocks and the right clock.......I know I could make someone a boatload of money if I programmed it for them.........Just saying....... -Gary Francis Oil and Acrylic Artist and Ice Cream Purveyor Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com www.garyfrascarelli.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Connelly Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:27 AM To: wollman@bimajority.org Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WKFY It sounds as though listeners don't really want anything from music radio that they couldn't get from a reasonably stocked iPod: little / no DJ talk, few surprise songs, etc. If listening is so passive, how could ads be expected to draw a listener's attention rather than getting a quick button push / dial twist as the response? When DJ's do talk now, it's often the silly morning stuff which is loaded more with celebrity gossip / Hollywood pratfall stories than any news, traffic, weather, or business the listener really needs. Apparently it's OK to reduce the amount of music selections during morning drive so we can all figure out what the Kardashians or Lindsey Lohan are up to. WBZ still reigns supreme for me when I'm taking a long drive and need to know what's really going on. The problem of designing a "50+" music station is that the main "river" of Top 40 that the majority of listeners followed started breaking off into various "streams" around 1965 when both the Beatles and Bob Dylan set Album Rock in motion. By the late '60s there were two distinct radio audiences in high schools and colleges. We-play-most-anything Top 40 even started branching off several ways itself. John H. Garabedian and Cousin Duffy on WMEX incorporated at least a few of the more adventurous album-rock sounds that were so big on the WBCN-FM side while not straying too much. Meanwhile WRKO and WVBF were going lighter with tons of bubblegum and material along the lines of Osmonds, Carpenters, Poppy Family, and the like. Within the same age group, roughly those born in the 1948-1958 range, there were widely divergent sets of musical tastes by the mid to late '70s. This makes setting up a radio format difficult. Even if everyone started out listening to the same top 40 stuff on WMEX in the late '50s and early '60s, these people were "all over the map" by 1978 or so. If a stations wants to put '50s / early '60s "traditional oldies" in a seniors-oriented format, the problem is always going to be "What newer music (meaning '70s and later) goes with that?" It seems that most programmers think that disco / soft-pop is the track these oldies listeners had adopted by the late '70s / early '80s. You will hear an Elvis or Roy Orbison oldie and then Captain & Tennille or Air Supply or Barry Manilow or KC & the Sunshine Band. Maybe that really is where some of that audience was. But weren't just as many of those '50s / early '60s top 40 aficionados on a harder rock track by their college / early work lives in the '70s? Wouldn't Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, and Elvis Presley sound just as good in a mix with Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Thorogood, Allman Bros., ZZ Top, and Stevie Ray Vaughn as with the Bee Gees, Air Supply, and Christopher Cross (the stuff "oldies people" / baby-boomers were "supposed" to have migrated to by 1980)? At least on my iPod backyard BBQ mixes I can throw the more kicked-up '50s stuff in with '60s blues-rock, '70s southern rock, splashes of old and new country, '80s/'90s Springsteen and Mellencamp, etc., and it all sounds great. No wimped-out late '70s soft-rock to put people to sleep. Knowing that no one station could do it all for a 50+ audience, my idea would be to look for holes in the currently available formats. It is a given that listeners are not going to stick with one station all day. If you can give them something substantially different from what is already available, you might grab at least a decent sized slice of the total pie. I don't think 98.7 is really there yet. If they would at least do an oldies (1954-1969) block maybe on a Saturday night like WATD and a big-band / crooners block maybe on Sunday night, that would be a step in the right direction. A request show could be cool too, along with one or more personality DJ's. The "what to do with the '70s and later?" issue is still going to be tricky for the split-audience reasons enumerated above. Since soft rock is already well covered by 99.1 and 104.7 and hard rock by 102.9, I guess the idea might be to reach into both formats in a way that is cleverly engineered to avoid shock segues. After all, our old beloved Top 40's played both hard and soft - sometimes even one butted up against the other. Perhaps because there was enough of a space between the songs with DJ patter, the effect wasn't as jarring as a direct segue you'd get on a computer run station today. I do wish WKFY success. I just think that some tweaks might be in order. Maybe these can even be sneaked in without making "Jane Whitebread" tune out in favor of something else on her weekly trip to the Harwich Stop & Shop. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Connelly Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 2:22 am Subject: Re: WKFY < said: > DJ's had personality whether it was MoR Carl DeSuze and Jess Cain or > rockers like Laquidara, Sartori, and Garabedian. There was wit in the > talk and genuine interest in the music. I don't see why a natural > desire for mentally-engaging radio, whether in a music or a talk > format, would be considered snobbery. And today, unlike forty years ago, we have actual market research that demonstrates that *this is not what the majority of listeners want*. (Or if they do want that, they are listening to noncommercial radio of various sorts already, and probably not reachable by any commercial station.) Not only that, we have minute-by-minute PPM records that can actually show the listeners tuning out when an unfamiliar song or a mic set or a stop set starts. -GAWollman From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Aug 21 11:38:51 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:38:51 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <032701ce9e84$8a286d60$9e794820$@garysicecream.com> In the 8 years that I was programming nights and overnights at WCAP in Lowell I found a wide diverse demo listening to what I was calling "Music & Memories Overnight". I had a mix of big bands, instrumentals, crooners, and most of the pop hits of the 60's and 70's. We'd go from Guy Lombardo to Petula Clark to the Monkees to Glenn Miller to Rosemary Clooney.....and it was a good mix to listen to. I regularly got letters and e-mails from folks as far from Lowell as Arlington and Sandwich who were listening to us on night pattern. I am a firm believer that a format like that, with live jocks who did a mid-60's WBZ type presentation would be a success on a Boston FM. But it would have to be the right mix of music and the right jocks and the right clock.......I know I could make someone a boatload of money if I programmed it for them.........Just saying....... -Gary Francis Oil and Acrylic Artist and Ice Cream Purveyor Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com www.garyfrascarelli.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Connelly Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:27 AM To: wollman@bimajority.org Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WKFY It sounds as though listeners don't really want anything from music radio that they couldn't get from a reasonably stocked iPod: little / no DJ talk, few surprise songs, etc. If listening is so passive, how could ads be expected to draw a listener's attention rather than getting a quick button push / dial twist as the response? When DJ's do talk now, it's often the silly morning stuff which is loaded more with celebrity gossip / Hollywood pratfall stories than any news, traffic, weather, or business the listener really needs. Apparently it's OK to reduce the amount of music selections during morning drive so we can all figure out what the Kardashians or Lindsey Lohan are up to. WBZ still reigns supreme for me when I'm taking a long drive and need to know what's really going on. The problem of designing a "50+" music station is that the main "river" of Top 40 that the majority of listeners followed started breaking off into various "streams" around 1965 when both the Beatles and Bob Dylan set Album Rock in motion. By the late '60s there were two distinct radio audiences in high schools and colleges. We-play-most-anything Top 40 even started branching off several ways itself. John H. Garabedian and Cousin Duffy on WMEX incorporated at least a few of the more adventurous album-rock sounds that were so big on the WBCN-FM side while not straying too much. Meanwhile WRKO and WVBF were going lighter with tons of bubblegum and material along the lines of Osmonds, Carpenters, Poppy Family, and the like. Within the same age group, roughly those born in the 1948-1958 range, there were widely divergent sets of musical tastes by the mid to late '70s. This makes setting up a radio format difficult. Even if everyone started out listening to the same top 40 stuff on WMEX in the late '50s and early '60s, these people were "all over the map" by 1978 or so. If a stations wants to put '50s / early '60s "traditional oldies" in a seniors-oriented format, the problem is always going to be "What newer music (meaning '70s and later) goes with that?" It seems that most programmers think that disco / soft-pop is the track these oldies listeners had adopted by the late '70s / early '80s. You will hear an Elvis or Roy Orbison oldie and then Captain & Tennille or Air Supply or Barry Manilow or KC & the Sunshine Band. Maybe that really is where some of that audience was. But weren't just as many of those '50s / early '60s top 40 aficionados on a harder rock track by their college / early work lives in the '70s? Wouldn't Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, and Elvis Presley sound just as good in a mix with Lynyrd Skynyrd, George Thorogood, Allman Bros., ZZ Top, and Stevie Ray Vaughn as with the Bee Gees, Air Supply, and Christopher Cross (the stuff "oldies people" / baby-boomers were "supposed" to have migrated to by 1980)? At least on my iPod backyard BBQ mixes I can throw the more kicked-up '50s stuff in with '60s blues-rock, '70s southern rock, splashes of old and new country, '80s/'90s Springsteen and Mellencamp, etc., and it all sounds great. No wimped-out late '70s soft-rock to put people to sleep. Knowing that no one station could do it all for a 50+ audience, my idea would be to look for holes in the currently available formats. It is a given that listeners are not going to stick with one station all day. If you can give them something substantially different from what is already available, you might grab at least a decent sized slice of the total pie. I don't think 98.7 is really there yet. If they would at least do an oldies (1954-1969) block maybe on a Saturday night like WATD and a big-band / crooners block maybe on Sunday night, that would be a step in the right direction. A request show could be cool too, along with one or more personality DJ's. The "what to do with the '70s and later?" issue is still going to be tricky for the split-audience reasons enumerated above. Since soft rock is already well covered by 99.1 and 104.7 and hard rock by 102.9, I guess the idea might be to reach into both formats in a way that is cleverly engineered to avoid shock segues. After all, our old beloved Top 40's played both hard and soft - sometimes even one butted up against the other. Perhaps because there was enough of a space between the songs with DJ patter, the effect wasn't as jarring as a direct segue you'd get on a computer run station today. I do wish WKFY success. I just think that some tweaks might be in order. Maybe these can even be sneaked in without making "Jane Whitebread" tune out in favor of something else on her weekly trip to the Harwich Stop & Shop. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Connelly Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 2:22 am Subject: Re: WKFY < said: > DJ's had personality whether it was MoR Carl DeSuze and Jess Cain or > rockers like Laquidara, Sartori, and Garabedian. There was wit in the > talk and genuine interest in the music. I don't see why a natural > desire for mentally-engaging radio, whether in a music or a talk > format, would be considered snobbery. And today, unlike forty years ago, we have actual market research that demonstrates that *this is not what the majority of listeners want*. (Or if they do want that, they are listening to noncommercial radio of various sorts already, and probably not reachable by any commercial station.) Not only that, we have minute-by-minute PPM records that can actually show the listeners tuning out when an unfamiliar song or a mic set or a stop set starts. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 21 12:13:06 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:13:06 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21012.59154.146303.469187@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > When DJ's do talk now, it's often the silly morning stuff which is > loaded more with celebrity gossip / Hollywood pratfall stories than > any news, traffic, weather, or business the listener really needs. > Apparently it's OK to reduce the amount of music selections during > morning drive so we can all figure out what the Kardashians or > Lindsey Lohan are up to. There's certainly a market for that. (Thankfully it's not the whole market!) Lots of people have "news fatigue" in AM drive and just want to be entertained, not lectured earnestly about Something Important Happening In The Rest Of The World (and for that, there's always NPR). > The problem of designing a "50+" music station is that the main > "river" of Top 40 that the majority of listeners followed started > breaking off into various "streams" around 1965 when both the > Beatles and Bob Dylan set Album Rock in motion. By the late '60s > there were two distinct radio audiences in high schools and > colleges. This was still true in the mid-1980s. The kids who listened to WIZN and the kids who listened to WXXX were totally different crowds at my high school. Things really didn't start to fragment further until the late '80s when hip-hop broke into the mainstream. > But weren't just as many of those '50s / early '60s top 40 > aficionados on a harder rock track by their college / early work > lives in the '70s? Yes, but those are the people classic-rock stations are programmed for. -GAWollman From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Aug 21 12:41:06 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:41:06 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130821115339.03d4d570@plymouthcolony.net> At 11:26 AM 8/21/2013, Mark Connelly wrote: >Within the same age group, roughly those born in the 1948-1958 range, there were widely divergent sets of musical tastes by the mid to late '70s. I am of that age group, and as an individual I have a widely divergent set of musical tastes, which were already developing in the early '70s. I listen to all sorts of things from '20s and '30s jazz and blues to some recent artists (a few weeks ago I bought the latest CD by Sara Bareilles). I still buy the latest CDs by long-term artists who are still active (including, in the last year or so, Bonnie Raitt, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell, Steve Miller, Neil Young, Heart, David Bowie, Iggy and the Stooges, Sheryl Crow, Rush, and Leonard Cohen). There are no formats on my local radio stations that are diverse enough to strongly appeal to me. The two that come closest are Classic Rock (the local outlet for which has a library so small that I no longer listen to them) and AAA (also available locally, but poorly programmed, so instead I listen to XPoNential Radio from Philadelphia on my NPR station's HD3). Mostly I listen to my CD collection. My wheelhouses are the British Invasion and Progressive Rock (aka "Art Rock"), but the selection of CDs that I have in the car at any given moment generally also includes hard rock, southern rock, folk, blues, hybrids (such as folk-rock or blues based rock), and difficult-to-pigeonhole artists such as Talking Heads or the recent CD by Steve Martin and Edie Brickell. Of course, my tastes are derived partly from the variety of formats within which I've worked over the last 40+ years, and partly from the records introduced by friends (especially those I've worked with in radio). I realize that I am 1) not a typical radio listener, and 2) likely not someone who would spend much time listening to WKFY. If I still lived in southeastern MA, though, I would certainly sample John's stations on the Cape to see what they are doing. I still have an interest in his work as a programmer dating back to WMEX, and revived during several years at an OHP affiliate (though I haven't spoken to or exchanged email with him in some years). Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From lglavin@mail.com Mon Aug 19 17:53:33 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:53:33 -0400 Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <20130819215333.233520@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 08/19/13 05:04 PM >To: TVNETDUDE@aol.com >Subject: WKFY < It will be very interesting to see who sponsors a station aimed at a group > advertisers consider the grateful dead. >If anyone can do it, I wouldn't bet against John H. >And I wouldn't be too quick to count out that demo on the Cape: there >are plenty of retirees who live there full-time now. >-GAWollman I've been sampling WWEM/WWED in the Virginia suburbs of DC on their website ( http://www.classicsradio.org ) and they're doing an exceptionslly good job of programming classical music so I haven't checked out WFCC in Chatham either on the internets or on my radio the last time I was on the Cape of Cod. I suspect however that WFCC's spotload reflects an audience similar to what WKFY could expect to get. If you wonder why I was logging on to a seemingly obscure station far away, over at radioinsight.com, Lance was saying that WWEM/WWED were dropping over-the-air broadcasts and going strictly online. So far, they've been giving station IDs on the hour, and the home page gives the frequencies for the two outlets. Speaking of online "radio", bostonherald.com when I've observed it is a case study in how NOt to run a talk station except for the noon-to-3:00 pm M-I-C-H-A-E-L G-R-A-H-A-M simulcast on about 70,000 watts of AM over the air radio. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 20 13:30:21 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:30:21 -0400 Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS Message-ID: <20130820173021.305650@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 08/20/13 03:57 AM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Fwd: More changes at WERS >WERS more and more is being influenced by alumni who live in LA. >They are looking at being a station representative of Metro Boston. >By comparison WRBB is very content on serving the inner city. The last time I did a coverage check of WRBB was before WBOQ installed its new antenna a few miles farther away from Northeastern, and its signal only began to come in clearly as I crossed the Smoot Bridge and was gone by slightly beyond Wentworth Institute. I don't know how far south its signal goes if one were to travel south down Mass Avenue. Maybe somebody who has sampled the signal in Dorchester and Mattapan could describe its coverage there. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 20 17:28:03 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:28:03 -0400 Subject: WEEI drops Celtics Message-ID: <20130820212803.7140@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 08/20/13 04:22 PM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: WEEI drops Celtics >Entercom continues to cut corners >Celtics options are very limited right now. >http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/08/celtics_will_no_longer_air_on_weei.html If they were to be heard again on a Boston station on 1510-AM (now WUFC) along with a network of stations in the area, the games might be receivable in Denmark, but NOT Needham! From hopfgarten@mail.com Tue Aug 20 18:24:14 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:24:14 -0400 Subject: WEEI drops Celtics In-Reply-To: <1377033115.36362.YahooMailIosMobile@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1377033115.36362.YahooMailIosMobile@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C5D65CB6680445BA741ADA349C803C1@PaulPC> 98.5 secondary to Pats and B's....use 100.7 for backup. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:11 PM To: kvahey@gmail.com ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: WEEI drops Celtics Also very surprised the Celtics weren't more prepared for this. I figured they would have signed a longer deal in the past few years to hedge bets on being dumped in the wake of Rivers, Pierce and Garnett leaving.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone From hopfgarten@mail.com Wed Aug 21 01:43:28 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:43:28 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I have NO recollection of #1 http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.html On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 8:20:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wollman@bimajority.org writes: > > Someone who is 65 today was born in 1948. That means they were a > teenager for the first British Invasion, and probably started a family > in the 1970s. (Maybe as early as '66, not likely much later than > '83.) They never listened to Big Bands or '40s crooners, except when > forced to by their parents. > > > > > ----------------------------- > Very true, especially that last sentence. And many had 40's BigBand & > 50's standards forced upon them. BUTTTTTTT..... it's something I keep > hearing over and over and over from WJIB listeners.... They want to hear > it > because it reminds them of their fond memories of their parents. Or in > the > case of the 30-somethings that listen... fond memories of the > grandparents. > - Photographs and MUSIC are probably the two major "emotion grabbers" in > existence. > ----On a related note, $20k was just spent by WJTO for a new transmitter, > and repair of portions of the ground system. So WJTO's music should be > blasting onto much of Cape Cod. > ---jibguy > From hopfgarten@mail.com Wed Aug 21 08:12:28 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:12:28 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <52145758.6070101@attorneyross.com> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <52145758.6070101@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I thought about that, but I think the end of the refrain was something like that for Louie Louie.. Hang down your head Tom Dooley was actually the first song I was taught when I was taking guitar lessons (late 1960s) as a kid.. -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WKFY On 8/21/2013 1:52 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I went to You Tube and called it up - ya I know the song ( just wish I > didn't ) > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Paul Hopfgarten > wrote: > >> I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii >> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >> Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) That looks like someone combined the beginning of "Louie Louie" with the last line of the chorus of "Hang Down Your Head, Tom Dooley." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 15:43:20 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:43:20 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <52145758.6070101@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The song mentioned is Brother Louie by the Stories. It was about an inter-racial love affair and was originally a hit for the British band Hot Chocolate. ("She was black as the night, Louie was whiter than white...he took her home to meet his father and his mother, man they had a terrible fight") On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I thought about that, but I think the end of the refrain was something > like that for Louie Louie.. > > Hang down your head Tom Dooley was actually the first song I was taught > when I was taking guitar lessons (late 1960s) as a kid.. > > -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.**BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: WKFY > > On 8/21/2013 1:52 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I went to You Tube and called it up - ya I know the song ( just wish I >> didn't ) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Paul Hopfgarten > >wrote: >> >> >> I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) >>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii >>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >>> Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) >>> >> > That looks like someone combined the beginning of "Louie Louie" with the > last line of the chorus of "Hang Down Your Head, Tom Dooley." > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 15:44:32 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:44:32 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <52145758.6070101@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: And actually the lyric may have been "Louie, Louie, you're gonna cry." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exl0oSfTSoY On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > The song mentioned is Brother Louie by the Stories. It was about an > inter-racial love affair and was originally a hit for the British band Hot > Chocolate. ("She was black as the night, Louie was whiter than white...he > took her home to meet his father and his mother, man they had a terrible > fight") > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >> I thought about that, but I think the end of the refrain was something >> like that for Louie Louie.. >> >> Hang down your head Tom Dooley was actually the first song I was taught >> when I was taking guitar lessons (late 1960s) as a kid.. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 AM >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.**BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: WKFY >> >> On 8/21/2013 1:52 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> I went to You Tube and called it up - ya I know the song ( just wish I >>> didn't ) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Paul Hopfgarten >> >wrote: >>> >>> >>> I remember #1 (I was 15 in '73.....) >>>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >>>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooiiiiiii >>>> Louie Louie Louie Loooooeeee >>>> Poor Boy you're going to die (or close to those words) >>>> >>> >> That looks like someone combined the beginning of "Louie Louie" with the >> last line of the chorus of "Hang Down Your Head, Tom Dooley." >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >> > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 17:27:22 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:27:22 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> References: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> Message-ID: Bob - this is from 45 years ago How many of these songs do you use? http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1968/surveyaug2068.html On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, wrote: > ** > In a message dated 8/21/2013 1:07:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kvahey@gmail.com writes: > > Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I > have NO recollection of #1 > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.html > > ----------------------------- > Two notches apart, a Carpenters song and Deep Purple's "Smoke on the > Water". That couldn't happen nowadays! - AND what is 1962's "Monster > Mash" doing on that August 1973 chart? > > ---jibguy > From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 18:30:47 2013 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:30:47 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <3c512.4ee77ba6.3f461aa8@aol.com> Message-ID: Monster Mash kinda made a comeback in the summer of '73. Rick Kelly On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bob - this is from 45 years ago > > How many of these songs do you use? > > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1968/surveyaug2068.html > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, wrote: > > > ** > > In a message dated 8/21/2013 1:07:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > kvahey@gmail.com writes: > > > > Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know many of those songs but I > > have NO recollection of #1 > > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1973/surveyaug2173.html > > > > ----------------------------- > > Two notches apart, a Carpenters song and Deep Purple's "Smoke on the > > Water". That couldn't happen nowadays! - AND what is 1962's "Monster > > Mash" doing on that August 1973 chart? > > > > ---jibguy > > > From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 21 21:04:43 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:04:43 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know >many of those songs but I have NO recollection of #1 "Brother Louie" by Stories was played to death on WRKO and WLLH, along with being played over and over in the jukebox at an arcade I went to when the family stayed at Newfound Lake in Bristol NH. In fact, we heard it yesterday on a classic hits station out of Elizabeth City NC on our drive back from Kill Devil Hills NC to our vacation outpost in Virginia Beach. As far as the rest of what's on that WABC survey, I would say 5 are played constantly on WROR and one gets played on WZLX. (Deep Purple). The rest can be heard on Barry Scott's "Lost 45's". Mark Watson From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Aug 21 22:26:46 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:26:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <3770780.1377138406477.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) >From: Mark Connelly >To: gary@garysicecream.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: WKFY > >WCAP cannot be enjoyed consistently here on the Cape: >its day signal is weak next to slopover from super-loud >WZAN-970 Portland, ME. At night, WOFX-980 (Troy, NY) >usually rolls over WCAP with its Fox Sports programming. WCAP apparently hasn't been broadcasting with its full authorized power for many months by now. It's a little better now than it has been at times during this year, I can now faintly hear it in Somerville which wasn't always the case, but it's still nowhere near what it used to be. EP From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 22 00:31:19 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:31:19 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: "Brother Louie" by Stories by itself did not trigger a bell but once I heard it on You Tube I remembered it. In 1975 it was a joy to hear WPRO-FM and WPJB-FM go at it - they were way ahead of Boston then and with a good tuner both could be heard in Boston. What I find curious is that today very few stations that play 70's music will touch Debbie Boone's 'You Light Up My Life' which I believe was the most sold single of the 70's. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Look at WABC's chart from 40 years ago. I know >> many of those songs but I have NO recollection of #1 >> > > "Brother Louie" by Stories was played to death on WRKO and WLLH, along > with being played over and over in the jukebox at an arcade I went to when > the family stayed at Newfound Lake in Bristol NH. In fact, we heard it > yesterday on a classic hits station out of Elizabeth City NC on our drive > back from Kill Devil Hills NC to our vacation outpost in Virginia Beach. > > As far as the rest of what's on that WABC survey, I would say 5 are played > constantly on WROR and one gets played on WZLX. (Deep Purple). The rest can > be heard on Barry Scott's "Lost 45's". > > Mark Watson > > > > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 22 00:36:28 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <6124.bec4a2f.3f46ef4b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/22/2013 12:31:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: What I find curious is that today very few stations that play 70's music will touch Debbie Boone's 'You Light Up My Life' which I believe was the most sold single of the 70's. --------------------- That's because it's a "goody two-shoes" artist. Same thing for Tony Orlando and Dawn's 70's hits, and The Carpenters (the latter were called "goody four-shoes"). Two or three hours can't go by on WJIB/WJTO though, without hearing The Carpenters. ---jibguy From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 11:41:04 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:41:04 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5214DF90.4090109@gmail.com> On 08/21/2013 11:26 AM, Mark Connelly wrote: > It sounds as though listeners don't really want anything from music radio that they couldn't get from a reasonably stocked iPod: little / no DJ talk, few surprise songs, etc. > > > If listening is so passive, how could ads be expected to draw a listener's attention rather than getting a quick button push / dial twist as the response? > There's a little station up here, WCLX (102.9 Westport), www.farmfreshradio.com, that does a decent job of working in spots. They run a single :30 low-key spot in a given break and straight back to the music. Spots are low key and sound almost as though they could be underwriting spots on a non-comm. Then, it's spot-voice-only stager and cold to song. The 'training' that goes on to the listener is that when you do hear a spot it will be a. brief and b. alone and c. means music is next. They started out as an LP at 89.3 and then got into an LNA with the station at 102.9. (89.3 is now dark). It actually operates out of their home in neighboring Bridport, Vermont, co-located with an Angus beef farm that they run. (It's hard to know which operation is more profitable but I suspect we know which of the two is more fun for the couple who run it.) Bill O'Neill Shoreham, VT P.S. Just to clear up, there are some newer folks here on the list (I've been on here since the mid-90s!) but there is another "Bill O'Neill" who was active in Maine radio, ran a record store, etc. Definitely another "Bill". I was radioactive in Greater Lowell/Boston. But I love Maine. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 21 23:45:08 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:45:08 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52158944.4050608@attorneyross.com> On 8/21/2013 2:22 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > And today, unlike forty years ago, we have actual market research that > demonstrates that *this is not what the majority of listeners want*. > (Or if they do want that, they are listening to noncommercial radio of > various sorts already, and probably not reachable by any commercial > station.) Not only that, we have minute-by-minute PPM records that can > actually show the listeners tuning out when an unfamiliar song or a > mic set or a stop set starts. But you don't need a majority of listeners. All you need is a niche that wants what you're broadcasting and is enough to be a target audience for advertisers. There's an article in the current issue of AARP Magazine about how the traditional TV networks are trying harder to appeal to the older demographic because that's who is still watching the traditional networks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Aug 21 14:10:20 2013 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:10:20 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130821115339.03d4d570@plymouthcolony.net> References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130821115339.03d4d570@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: Here is the WKFY stream for those that want to sample and can't recieve OTA : http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v5/WKFY -Ken On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 11:26 AM 8/21/2013, Mark Connelly wrote: > > >Within the same age group, roughly those born in the 1948-1958 range, > there were widely divergent sets of musical tastes by the mid to late '70s. > > I am of that age group, and as an individual I have a widely divergent set > of musical tastes, which were already developing in the early '70s. I > listen to all sorts of things from '20s and '30s jazz and blues to some > recent artists (a few weeks ago I bought the latest CD by Sara Bareilles). > I still buy the latest CDs by long-term artists who are still active > (including, in the last year or so, Bonnie Raitt, Bob Dylan, Paul > McCartney, Joni Mitchell, Steve Miller, Neil Young, Heart, David Bowie, > Iggy and the Stooges, Sheryl Crow, Rush, and Leonard Cohen). There are no > formats on my local radio stations that are diverse enough to strongly > appeal to me. The two that come closest are Classic Rock (the local outlet > for which has a library so small that I no longer listen to them) and AAA > (also available locally, but poorly programmed, so instead I listen to > XPoNential Radio from Philadelphia on my NPR station's HD3). Mostly I > listen to my CD collection. My wheelhouses are the Brit! > ish Invasion and Progressive Rock (aka "Art Rock"), but the selection of > CDs that I have in the car at any given moment generally also includes hard > rock, southern rock, folk, blues, hybrids (such as folk-rock or blues based > rock), and difficult-to-pigeonhole artists such as Talking Heads or the > recent CD by Steve Martin and Edie Brickell. > > Of course, my tastes are derived partly from the variety of formats within > which I've worked over the last 40+ years, and partly from the records > introduced by friends (especially those I've worked with in radio). I > realize that I am 1) not a typical radio listener, and 2) likely not > someone who would spend much time listening to WKFY. If I still lived in > southeastern MA, though, I would certainly sample John's stations on the > Cape to see what they are doing. I still have an interest in his work as a > programmer dating back to WMEX, and revived during several years at an OHP > affiliate (though I haven't spoken to or exchanged email with him in some > years). > > Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > > > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 22 00:39:04 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/2013 5:27:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Bob - this is from 45 years ago How many of these songs do you use? http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1968/surveyaug2068.html WJIB/WJTO play #'s 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 12, 13, 20, 21 and 43. (WHY there is a "43" on this list of 28 songs, I don't know). ---jibguy From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 22 01:19:38 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:19:38 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What I find curious is that today very few stations that play 70's music > will touch Debbie Boone's 'You Light Up My Life' which I believe was the > most sold single of the 70's. It seems that the music of past periods gets re-segmented according to our modern notion of genre and format. You'll notice that 80's nostalgia formats (e.g., SiriusXM 80s on 8) play comparatively little of the high-charting R&B hits of that decade, even the artists who got MTV airplay then like Michael Jackson. In contrast, those formats are much heavier on New Wave than the contemporary charts, because that's the sort of music that is still considered to fit in the overall format. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 22 01:25:22 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:25:22 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> References: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> Message-ID: <21013.41154.659515.260478@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1968/surveyaug2068.html > WJIB/WJTO play #'s 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 12, 13, 20, 21 and 43. > (WHY there is a "43" on this list of 28 songs, I don't know). I'm betting that 43 and 53 on that survey were "hitbound" or "chartbound" singles -- songs that weren't on the charts but were being heavily promoted for some reason. (But what do I know, I wasn't even a twinkle in my mother's eye!) Note that the following week goes 21-25-27-28-30 and then has a "Hot Prospect". (And what a prospect it was....) -GAWollman From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 22 01:34:00 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY (and WABC charts) Message-ID: <66de.7016a7c7.3f46fcc8@aol.com> In a message dated 8/22/2013 1:25:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: > WJIB/WJTO play #'s 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 12, 13, 20, 21 and 43. > (WHY there is a "43" on this list of 28 songs, I don't know). I'm betting that 43 and 53 on that survey were "hitbound" or "chartbound" singles -- songs that weren't on the charts but were being heavily promoted for some reason. (But what do I know, I wasn't even a twinkle in my mother's eye!) Note that the following week goes 21-25-27-28-30 and then has a "Hot Prospect". (And what a prospect it was....) I have most of the WABC charts from that era, and the number of songs on each of them ranged from 28 to 38, but never up to 40. Maybe those 40's and 50's numbers were internally used, meaning that WABC's research included up to 60 songs on the Hot 100, but no more than 38 of them were ever printed on the sheets they sent out to the public, via the NYC-area record stores. ---jibguy From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 22 01:37:48 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <6724.56fa8aaa.3f46fdac@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/2013 12:11:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markwa1ion@aol.com writes: WJIB and WJTO do OK with what they cover, but sometimes more R&B / rock in the mix would be better. That would include Chuck Berry, various doo-wop groups, and classic pre-rockers like "Sixty Minute Man". Actually WJIB and WJTO play "60-Minute Man" on relatively low rotation, but no Chuck Berry. And I am adding in more doo-wop songs, but they won't hit the 730/740 airwaves for a few more months. Chuck Berry is just too rough around the edges for a station playing a lot of Patti Page, Doris Day, Carpenters, Sinatra, Glenn Miller, Beach Boys, Andrews Sisters, etc. ---jibguy. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 22 01:44:15 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:44:15 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to sell to an older demo. The paradox is the 'older demo' are the ones most likely to listen to radio. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > What I find curious is that today very few stations that play 70's music > > will touch Debbie Boone's 'You Light Up My Life' which I believe was the > > most sold single of the 70's. > > It seems that the music of past periods gets re-segmented according to > our modern notion of genre and format. You'll notice that 80's > nostalgia formats (e.g., SiriusXM 80s on 8) play comparatively little > of the high-charting R&B hits of that decade, even the artists who got > MTV airplay then like Michael Jackson. In contrast, those formats are > much heavier on New Wave than the contemporary charts, because that's > the sort of music that is still considered to fit in the overall > format. > > -GAWollman > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 22 02:01:28 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:01:28 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> On 8/22/2013 1:44 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the > CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to sell > to an older demo. > This conversation reminds me of the one that was had about the old WJIB. Back when "beautiful music" was number one, supposedly the format died because it was no longer salable-- except it still had big numbers in many cities. Trouble is, they were "the wrong numbers"-- older adults. Buyers just wanted 18-34 year olds. This belief has also killed a number of TV shows with demos that were considered "too old." With people living and working longer, and with so many baby boomer still big fans of music, you'd think agencies would realize the 55+ demo is a good one to attract. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 22 03:18:02 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 03:18:02 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Back in the late 60's early 70's the most profitable show at WMUR-TV was Uncle Gus. The main sponsor for that show was a mobile home company. Why? WMUR's research ,such as it was, showed that elders watched the show and adopted the kids in the studio as the grandchildren they didn't have. I personally am disgusted at Madison Avenue's disdain for older demos. The reality is us aging boomers now have more disposable income than kids coming out of college. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/22/2013 1:44 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the >> CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to sell >> to an older demo. >> >> > This conversation reminds me of the one that was had about the old WJIB. > Back when "beautiful music" was number one, supposedly the format died > because it was no longer salable-- except it still had big numbers in many > cities. Trouble is, they were "the wrong numbers"-- older adults. Buyers > just wanted 18-34 year olds. This belief has also killed a number of TV > shows with demos that were considered "too old." With people living and > working longer, and with so many baby boomer still big fans of music, you'd > think agencies would realize the 55+ demo is a good one to attract. > From sids1045@aol.com Thu Aug 22 07:24:55 2013 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WABC weekly surveys (was: WKFY) In-Reply-To: <21013.41154.659515.260478@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> <21013.41154.659515.260478@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8D06D415C46B118-249C-63428@webmail-d138.sysops.aol.com> "I'm betting that 43 and 53 on that survey were "hitbound" or"chartbound" singles -- songs that weren't on the charts but werebeing heavily promoted for some reason." Despite the fact that WABC PD Rick Sklar insisted that his weekly charts were based exclusively on record sales, that was really only true for the heavy-rotation cuts (in that era, usually the top 14 to 18 records). Below that, there were some more subjective criteria used, including input from the weekly record meetings to which members of the WABC staff were invited on a rotating basis (and from which record promoters were specifically excluded; they weren't even allowed in the building until after the meeting broke up). On some of the surveys you'll also see some records without any number at all. For example, in early September 1968, Mason Williams' "Classical Gas" debuted at the bottom of the list without a number. The up-and-comers were labeled "Pick Hits" on WABC, and on many of the surveys on the musicradio77.com site you can see an asterisk used to denote a "Former Pick Hit of the Week" once it entered heavy rotation. From sids1045@aol.com Thu Aug 22 10:52:55 2013 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:52:55 -0400 Subject: WABC weekly surveys (was: WKFY) In-Reply-To: References: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> <21013.41154.659515.260478@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06D415C46B118-249C-63428@webmail-d138.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "It also might be that some of the songs on the bottom of the list were what we used to call "paper adds"... Songs that were not being played but would appear on the survey to please the record promoter folks." Rick Sklar would have committed suicide before doing anything to please record promoters. He took what had been common industry practices regarding record companies and promoters and turned them completely around. Rick's way of thanking the record companies was to wine-and-dine them on the company's yacht, not the other way around. If you can find a copy of "Rocking America," Rick's professional autobiography, it's worth it just to read about some of the stunts record pluggers would attempt while trying to get their records aired on WABC. From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Aug 22 11:03:25 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <6724.56fa8aaa.3f46fdac@aol.com> References: <6724.56fa8aaa.3f46fdac@aol.com> Message-ID: <8D06D5FE2C711C2-BE0-652D3@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> No one really expects WJIB or WJTO to play harder '50s / early '60s rock like Chuck Berry, Little Richard, "Speedo" (Cadillacs), "At My Front Door" (El Dorados), louder Elvis, etc. It just doesn't fit the overall concept and that's fine. But there should be a good-signal station somewhere in eastern MA that does play kicked-up oldies that remind us of movies like "American Graffiti" and "Grease", of '57 Chevys, of Harley and Indian motorcycles, waxed up surfboards, malt shops, drive-in movies, state fairs with fireworks, the Sox when Ted Williams was playing, and so on. Even people too young to remember the first decade of rock 'n' roll like to escape to the feelings that go with the period, as idealized (and sometimes silly) as those may be, as an antidote to the stresses and impersonal aspects of modern life. Bob's format and a harder oldies format can live side by side and would alternately be "dipped into" by members of the same audience. And not all of them would be 50+ either. I listened to WKFY and it seems as though a bit more pre-Beatles gold is showing up in the mix. Maybe someone there is reading this list. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jibguy To: markwa1ion ; gary Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:37 am Subject: Re: WKFY In a message dated 8/21/2013 12:11:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markwa1ion@aol.com writes: WJIB and WJTO do OK with what they cover, but sometimes more R&B / rock in the mix would be better. That would include Chuck Berry, various doo-wop groups, and classic pre-rockers like "Sixty Minute Man". Actually WJIB and WJTO play "60-Minute Man" on relatively low rotation, but no Chuck Berry. And I am adding in more doo-wop songs, but they won't hit the 730/740 airwaves for a few more months. Chuck Berry is just too rough around the edges for a station playing a lot of Patti Page, Doris Day, Carpenters, Sinatra, Glenn Miller, Beach Boys, Andrews Sisters, etc. ---jibguy. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 22 10:37:21 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:37:21 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <8D06BDF6EAD644F-B54-571D5@webmail-d249.sysops.aol.com> <21012.1845.349412.850889@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C3A117E7461-1AF4-5AEF4@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.16499.167049.81757@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C40EB6DE30B-1AF4-5B42D@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com> <21012.23699.616940.833760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06C9A0277F269-10E4-6422A@webmail-m281.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130821115339.03d4d570@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: John H put his original WGTR 1060 (the 1-kW daytime version licensed to Natick, studios at 24 W Central St) on the air in November 1972. I don't remember when he phased out the (largely automated) music format (which I think would today be called hot AC) in favor of all-news (first try) and a bunch of other things, as a series of LMA partners took over the station (and failed to make a go of it). WGTR sounded pretty successful in its hot AC (if I've got that right) days. Obviously, WKFY is playing cuts different from those I heard on WGTR 40 or so years ago; almost none of the stuff that was heard back then gets played today. BUT my impression from a short listen to the WKFY stream is that WKFY is a decent re-creation of 1972's (and--I think--most of the rest of the '70s) WGTR. I'm too old for my opinion to count, but what I'm hearing sounds pretty good to me. Now, where are the commercials for Sid's Discount Warehouse ("Sid's saves YOU money) and Mabardy's Shell station (Mabardy's Shell is EVERYbody's Shell)? Yeah, I know, WKFY can't be heard OTA in MetroWest--assuming that those businesses have survived--but MetroWest old-timers with good memories are likely to get a kick out of listening to the WKFY stream. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken VanTassell" To: "Dale H. Cook" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: Re: WKFY > Here is the WKFY stream for those that want to sample and can't recieve > OTA > : > > http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v5/WKFY > > -Ken >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 22 11:15:02 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:15:02 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <0B89068156FC4756A8227C0395726B64@SatU205S5044> To me, this brings up the following questions: If a station were to hire 55-year-old people for its sales force (on the theory that 55 year-old sales people likely understand 55-year-old listeners better than do younger sales people), would an obviously older radio-station sales person who goes out on a sales call to a potential advertiser get beyond the advertiser's front lobby? Now, assuming that the advertiser has a showroom as well as a lobby and the radio-station sales person visits the showroom, do the advertiser's sales personnel simply ignore the 55-year-old radio-time sales person? I can't believe that an advertiser would turn away a potential customer who had enough $$$ to buy the advertiser's product simply because the potential customer appeared "too old." OK, maybe if the advertiser sells motorcycles and the motorcycle salesman figures the time salesman will kill himself if he tries to ride a motorcycle... But if the advertiser sells cars, how likely is it that the advertiser's sales person is going to worry about losing sales if a 55-year-old time salesman is seen driving one of the cars? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:01 AM Subject: Re: WKFY > On 8/22/2013 1:44 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the >> CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to >> sell >> to an older demo. >> > This conversation reminds me of the one that was had about the old WJIB. > Back when "beautiful music" was number one, supposedly the format died > because it was no longer salable-- except it still had big numbers in many > cities. Trouble is, they were "the wrong numbers"-- From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 22 11:55:02 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:55:02 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D06D5FE2C711C2-BE0-652D3@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> References: <6724.56fa8aaa.3f46fdac@aol.com> <8D06D5FE2C711C2-BE0-652D3@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21014.13398.431737.877048@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But there should be a good-signal station somewhere in eastern MA Why? I know you'd like it, but what's the business case for it, considering all the other things that one could do with a broadcasting license in eastern Massachusetts? Good signals don't come cheap, even these days. -GAWollman From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 22 14:14:50 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:14:50 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <555D542EC46D446D8D4A66C6F2D92204@Desktop> >>> A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the >>> CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to >>> sell >>> to an older demo. To that let me ask.... What do you do when you approach an agency/advertiser about your station and the first thing out of their mouth is: "Please sumbmit your 25-54 ratings for the past 4 months/books." They have already decided where their target demo is....and you are put into the position of telling that is NOT what they want? Talk about starting off on the wrong foot. >From what I can see agencies and advertisers don't mind the upper demos......they just don't want to pay a premium price for them when they know that 80% of the people walking into their store are below 55. >>I personally am disgusted at Madison Avenue's disdain for older demos. A station could probably target 55+ sucessfully, but they would have to accept a lower rate and smaller billing. When FM's are going for $70-80 Million dollars as an asset, it's hard to justify it. If you buy a station for $75 million, you need to post more than a million dollars in profit, or else you might as well put your money into a safe-secure FDIC insured CD. ;-) From rickkelly@gmail.com Thu Aug 22 08:19:38 2013 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:19:38 -0400 Subject: WABC weekly surveys (was: WKFY) In-Reply-To: <8D06D415C46B118-249C-63428@webmail-d138.sysops.aol.com> References: <616a.1479ade4.3f46efe8@aol.com> <21013.41154.659515.260478@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8D06D415C46B118-249C-63428@webmail-d138.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It also might be that some of the songs on the bottom of the list were what we used to call "paper adds"... Songs that were not being played but would appear on the survey to please the record promoter folks. Rick Kelly On Aug 22, 2013 7:26 AM, "Sid Schweiger" wrote: > > "I'm betting that 43 and 53 on that survey were "hitbound" or"chartbound" > singles -- songs that weren't on the charts but werebeing heavily promoted > for some reason." > > Despite the fact that WABC PD Rick Sklar insisted that his weekly charts > were based exclusively on record sales, that was really only true for the > heavy-rotation cuts (in that era, usually the top 14 to 18 records). Below > that, there were some more subjective criteria used, including input from > the weekly record meetings to which members of the WABC staff were invited > on a rotating basis (and from which record promoters were specifically > excluded; they weren't even allowed in the building until after the meeting > broke up). On some of the surveys you'll also see some records without any > number at all. For example, in early September 1968, Mason Williams' > "Classical Gas" debuted at the bottom of the list without a number. > > The up-and-comers were labeled "Pick Hits" on WABC, and on many of the > surveys on the musicradio77.com site you can see an asterisk used to > denote a "Former Pick Hit of the Week" once it entered heavy rotation. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 22 15:28:46 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:28:46 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> <555D542EC46D446D8D4A66C6F2D92204@Desktop> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Donna Halper" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: WKFY > If you buy a station for $75 million, you need to post more than a million > dollars in profit, or else you might as well put your money into a > safe-secure FDIC insured CD. ;-) > Sounds as if you haven't looked at CD rates very recently. I am not joking when I say that rates of 0.1%/year are not unusual at the moment. But CD rates are bound to start going up very soon, so maybe the FM station will outperform the CD next week. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 23 00:21:38 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:21:38 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5216E352.6010001@attorneyross.com> On 8/22/2013 1:44 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the > CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to sell > to an older demo. > > The paradox is the 'older demo' are the ones most likely to listen to radio. And they never thought of hiring some older people to help them figure it out. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From tony.abruzzese@gmail.com Thu Aug 22 20:32:30 2013 From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com (Anthony Abruzzese) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:32:30 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: It's Thursday evening and I at about 8:15 p.m. heard Morning Magic's new host(yes, he did identify himself and yes I realize it was voice tracked) lead out of Nights in White Satin into Uptown Girl. One old friend helping another, or something more permanent? Any other surprises from the V66 days? The stream hasn't been very stable over the past 20 minutes... Cut-outs, cut-ins, buffer issues, stream not re-initializing on browser refresh. Tony From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 22 16:04:46 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:04:46 -0400 Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <20130822200446.105960@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 08/22/13 01:44 AM >To: Garrett Wollman >Subject: Re: WKFY >A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the >CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to sell >to an older demo. ...................(inserting symbols because during a blue moon, mail.com collapses replies to the original post. Weird. I was monitoring WUFC-AM's streaming audio to see if they were running their locally-produced noontime show or picking up Yahoo! sports radio. The answer: Yahoo! sports radio for some reason. (Quizzical question: does high-profile Yahoo! CEO Marissa Mayer even know that Yahoo! sports radio exists? With satellite all-sports pretty much covered by experienced broadcasters like CBS, Fox and NBC to mixed results, why fighht this battle against such entrenched opposition? Yahoo! sports radio apparently was a venture by previous managment who picked up the Sporting News publication and radio network, far from the website's core competency). Any way, WUFC-AM now running a help-wanted spot for sales reps, almost certainly 100% commission too. WUFC-AM has already dropped its morniong drive local show; has their midday show been jettisoned too, or are the hosts on vacay as a poster to the bostonradiowatch has suggested? How would one sell a station wiith no ratings, no callers to its few local shows, in a market where satellite all-sports is a failure on a better signal, WEEI-AM? From hopfgarten@mail.com Thu Aug 22 19:34:21 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:34:21 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <555D542EC46D446D8D4A66C6F2D92204@Desktop> References: <776ec.1075b398.3f4572a7@aol.com> <20FCE70D0CDB4924BCB9312133FDD9CD@MarkOTS3> <21013.40810.163974.228986@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5215A938.8060400@donnahalper.com> <555D542EC46D446D8D4A66C6F2D92204@Desktop> Message-ID: Isn't the main reason for radio advertisers going with younger demos is the 'brand loyalty' factor where a 25 year old is still 'ripe for the picking' but a 55 year old (myself for example) are always buying Colgate or Coca-Cola or Chevrolets or Westinghouse, etc etc and are not worth trying to advertise to, as either their already buying your product, or (especially for established items like cars or soda or toothpaste) they aren't about to switch. Really, isn't that why talk stations (generally an older demo) are all about ED products or prostate control products as those are "new" items of need for the 50-somethings... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Don Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:14 PM To: Kevin Vahey ; Donna Halper Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WKFY >>> A long term staffer at WODS told me that the station died because the >>> CBS/Boston sales staff (which is 100% commission ) had no clue how to >>> sell >>> to an older demo. To that let me ask.... What do you do when you approach an agency/advertiser about your station and the first thing out of their mouth is: "Please sumbmit your 25-54 ratings for the past 4 months/books." They have already decided where their target demo is....and you are put into the position of telling that is NOT what they want? Talk about starting off on the wrong foot. >From what I can see agencies and advertisers don't mind the upper demos......they just don't want to pay a premium price for them when they know that 80% of the people walking into their store are below 55. >>I personally am disgusted at Madison Avenue's disdain for older demos. A station could probably target 55+ sucessfully, but they would have to accept a lower rate and smaller billing. When FM's are going for $70-80 Million dollars as an asset, it's hard to justify it. If you buy a station for $75 million, you need to post more than a million dollars in profit, or else you might as well put your money into a safe-secure FDIC insured CD. ;-) From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 27 18:19:36 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:19:36 -0400 Subject: Charles Clemons On WCVB-TV Interview Show Message-ID: <20130827221936.219190@gmx.com> WCVB-TV, although located in Needham, MA nonetheless has been broadcasting interviews with candidates for the Mayor of Boston, a nearby City. This Sunday September 1st at 11:00 am, one of the interviewees will be Charles Clemons, a person who it has been reported is heavily involved in the operation of illegal pirate (is there any other kind?) radio station Touch FM 106.1. I emailed WCVB to suggest that some of the questioning of Mr. Clemons should address the issue of whether a public figure should have a connection to such a spurious enterprise (Touch FM, not WCVB). It will be interesting to see if the moderator of OtR Ed Harding will do so. (Moderators are unpredictable). From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Aug 28 18:15:21 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:15:21 -0400 Subject: Charles Clemons On WCVB-TV Interview Show In-Reply-To: <20130827221936.219190@gmx.com> References: <20130827221936.219190@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130828181321.03bef248@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:19 PM 8/27/2013, Laurence Glavin wrote: >WCVB-TV, although located in Needham, MA Although their transmitter site is in Needham WCVB-TV is licensed to the city of Boston. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Wed Aug 28 20:30:52 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:30:52 -0400 Subject: 1963 ERN broadcast of The March coverage continues to stream Message-ID: I don't know why I didn't share this with the group earlier, but, the historical 15-hour Educational Radio Network broadcast from 50 years ago continues to stream. Right now, replays of the day's stirring and passionate speeches; Dr. Martin Luther King, JR coming up. At 9pm it's a panel discussion on the Implications of the Freedom March: moderator Geoffrey Godsell (editorial writer for The Christian Science Monitor), with guests Haywood Burns (author of ?The Voices of Negro Protest in America?), William Higgs (civil rights consultant and representative of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee on the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights), William Goldsmith (assistant professor of politics at Brandies University). http://www.wgbh.org/history/march_on_washington_livestream_broadcast_schedule.cfm Mike From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Aug 29 12:35:13 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D072ECDEB0FB82-6F8-29086@webmail-d266.sysops.aol.com> WKFY-98.7 seems to be putting in more '50s and '60s music, mostly of a mellow non-rock variety. Once in a while, there are "surprise" songs that can be from any time in the last 55 or so years. Though these are usually hits / near-hits, they don't show up on the air that often, so that's the surprise factor. WKFY has grabbed some of my in-car listening time that had gone mostly to Ocean 104.7 or Easy 99.1 previously. Too bad the signal is a bit choppy on some streets in Yarmouth and Barnstable. From 134 in Dennis eastward, no problem. Better signal than "Dunes 102.3" Truro and the 97.7 Nantucket thing, other not-bad but strength-challenged stations down here. I still have 102.9, 101.9, 93.5 etc. when I want things "rockier" and 103.9 for country. Usually in the car CD player I have Helen Shapiro's Greatest Hits when I want to hear the world's greatest singer (who never seems to get played on the radio). On the AM side it's WBZ and WCBS for news, WROL for the Saturday Irish Hit Parade, and WJIB and WJTO (when I can hear them). Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 22:20:17 2013 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <8D072ECDEB0FB82-6F8-29086@webmail-d266.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D072ECDEB0FB82-6F8-29086@webmail-d266.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1377829217.79441.YahooMailNeo@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's not a place for that kind of music on radio today. ________________________________ From: Mark Connelly To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: WKFY WKFY-98.7 seems to be putting in more '50s and '60s music, mostly of a mellow non-rock variety.? Once in a while, there are "surprise" songs that can be from any time in the last 55 or so years.? Though these are usually hits / near-hits, they don't show up on the air that often, so that's the surprise factor.? WKFY has grabbed some of my in-car listening time that had gone mostly to Ocean 104.7 or Easy 99.1 previously.? Too bad the signal is a bit choppy on some streets in Yarmouth and Barnstable.? From 134 in Dennis eastward, no problem.? Better signal than "Dunes 102.3" Truro and the 97.7 Nantucket thing, other not-bad but strength-challenged stations down here. I still have 102.9, 101.9, 93.5 etc. when I want things "rockier" and 103.9 for country.? Usually in the car CD player I have Helen Shapiro's Greatest Hits when I want to hear the world's greatest singer (who never seems to get played on the radio). On the AM side it's WBZ and WCBS for news, WROL for the Saturday Irish Hit Parade, and WJIB and WJTO (when I can hear them). Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Aug 30 03:27:53 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 03:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY Message-ID: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, m_carney@yahoo.com writes: I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's not a place for that kind of music on radio today. ------------------ WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) ---jibguy From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 30 04:30:29 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 04:30:29 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: Bob Given the ridiculous rent you are paying at 443 Concord Ave, have you considered moving the transmitter to the old WCOP ( now WWDJ ) site in Lexington? (is that even feasible?) I live in Inman Sq ( facing east ) and I have to turn receiver around to null Toronto. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > m_carney@yahoo.com writes: > > I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the > last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's > not > a place for that kind of music on radio today. > > > > > ------------------ > WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional > Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) > > ---jibguy > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 30 09:38:40 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:38:40 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: A move to the former WCOP site would be expensive and tricky. You're talking about a triplex (1150, 1470, and 740). Although the tall tower (once, 100.7) is insulated at the base, it has no ground system. A ground system for 740 surrounding that tower would occupy a lot of land and would cost big $$$. Also, getting 1470 to work acceptably from that site was a major challenge; the work took WAY longer than expected because of interference from 50-kW-U 1510, which is less than two miles away. In addition, WJIB would be moving to a much less densely populated area, destroying the major advantage of the Fresh Pond site. But if none of that were to be considered, a big advantage of the Lexington site would be the ability to use one of the AM towers in conjunction with the tall tower to directionalize the night signal away from the Canadian border, enabling a significant increase in night power (probably to 20W or more). However, it has never been demonstrated that, using the 1150/1470 site, WJIB could deliver the requisite 5 mV/m daytime to 80% of Cambridge or that the night power increase from the more distant (from Cambridge) site would cover as much of the population of Cambridge as does the existing 5W signal from the Fresh Pond site. BTW, at my location, near the top of Belmont Hill about a mile northeast of the 1150/1470 site, WJIB's existing 5W night signal is free of interference from CFZM (or whatever the calls) on quite a few nights. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Cc: "Boston Radio Group" ; "Mark Connelly" Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 4:30 AM Subject: Re: WKFY > Bob > > Given the ridiculous rent you are paying at 443 Concord Ave, have you > considered moving the transmitter to the old WCOP ( now WWDJ ) site in > Lexington? (is that even feasible?) > > I live in Inman Sq ( facing east ) and I have to turn receiver around to > null Toronto. > > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> m_carney@yahoo.com writes: >> >> I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the >> last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's >> not >> a place for that kind of music on radio today. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------ >> WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional >> Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) >> >> ---jibguy >> From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 30 10:24:14 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:24:14 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: Regarding Helen Shapiro, I know a volunteer DJ in the UK named Terry Askew who is on "hospital radio", a network of stations for patients, and he does oldies countdowns. He played Shapiro on a recent show with hits of '62, along with such things as Jimmie Rodgers "English Country Garden", some novelty songs that hit only in England, and so on (this was on a podcast). Interesting stuff...Shapiro was only about 14 or 15 when she had her hits, and in 1963 she had The Beatles opening up for her tour of Britain. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bob > > Given the ridiculous rent you are paying at 443 Concord Ave, have you > considered moving the transmitter to the old WCOP ( now WWDJ ) site in > Lexington? (is that even feasible?) > > I live in Inman Sq ( facing east ) and I have to turn receiver around to > null Toronto. > > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > m_carney@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the > > last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's > > not > > a place for that kind of music on radio today. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional > > Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) > > > > ---jibguy > > > From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Aug 30 18:24:29 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:24:29 -0400 Subject: Thge WJIB signal Message-ID: Even the thought of moving WJIB to the Lexington site would be a major mistake, WJIB is where it needs be central to what it needs to cover. Having experience at both sites first WJIB would loose its North and South Shore coverage as the conductivity of the Lexington site is good only in the swamp where the tower sits. Belmont Hill and surrounding areas are ledge. There seems to be a unique oddity at the original WTAO/WJIB site, speculation over the years is there must be an underground aquifer in the Fresh Pond area giving the 250 signal much better coverage than it realistically should ever have had especially now considering the ground system currently in use. When the old Harvey Radio Labs building was revamped with a new roof for current use the rooftop counterpoise ground system was removed and replaced with four long copper rods driven deep into the soil at the tower base. During the WCAS days attempts were made to relocate 740 to the old CBS WEEI-FM Medford tower that had been donated to Harvard. A shunt feed (still legal at the time) and temporary ground system (several radials) was laid over the rock ledge face and measurements were made using a test transmitter. The results were dismal as it did not come close to meeting COL coverage over Cambridge so that is why it remains where it is From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Aug 30 18:44:53 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: <8D073E9AD21466D-1890-34079@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> I think that moving WJIB to Lexington would require it to run substantially more power to cover Cambridge, Somerville, and Boston. In the day, you have to be concerned with first-adjacent interference to WJTO-ME (730) though maybe since Bob owns WJTO, he can nullify that issue (... but what happens if he sells it?). I don't know if there is still any requirement to protect long-silent WHEB-NH (750) on the upper adjacent. On the daytime front, signal towards Chicopee, MA (730) and Huntington, NY (740) would also have to be held down. The night protection of CFZM Toronto should be feasible with two towers phased to produce a cardioid pattern. Less clear would be if there is any issue with 740 CHCM located in Marystown, Newfoundland. Chances are that even a 5 kW night operation beaming east / southeast out of Lexington would have less impact on CHCM than the interference they are already getting from CFZM, somewhat more distant but 50 kW. On the British early '60s music subject, several stations in eastern MA were on the bandwagon circa 1961-1962, a couple of years before the British Invasion formally kicked off with Beatles tunes on most Boston and New York stations during the '63 Christmas shopping season (shortly after the JFK assassination). Generally "Telstar", "Stranger On the Shore", "I Remember You" (1962) and "You Don't Have to Be a Baby to Cry" (1963) were big pre-Beatles hits from the UK. Additionally WORC Worcester was playing the likes of Cliff Richard, Helen Shapiro, Gerry & the Pacemakers, Matt Monro, Shadows / Jet Harris & Tony Meehan, and other British entertainers as far back as '61. I think that one of their DJ's had the idea that a British Invasion was on the horizon and had records sent over. Helen Shapiro was 14 when she had her first big three UK hits in 1961: "Don't Treat Me Like a Child" (#3), "You Don't Know" (#1), and "Walkin' Back to Happiness" (#1). She was truly a "schoolgirl superstar" at least on her side of the Atlantic. The songs were played here in Boston, as well as her early 1962 song "Tell Me What He Said". Helen's later jazz and gospel singing is also great. Some words of adulation by a long-time fan, a lady in Australia named Alison Halls, is well worth a read. See . Once a "Shaps" fan, always one. If WKFY plays Helen, or for that matter, any other good pre-1964 British material, that would please me immensely. I would put up with their somewhat choppy signal, just as I put up with less than stellar reception of WJIB and WJTO. If a station provides desirable content, whether music or talk, I can put up with substandard signal quality to a point. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Jibguy ; Boston Radio Group ; Mark Connelly Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:24 am Subject: Re: WKFY Regarding Helen Shapiro, I know a volunteer DJ in the UK named Terry Askew who is on "hospital radio", a network of stations for patients, and he does oldies countdowns. He played Shapiro on a recent show with hits of '62, along with such things as Jimmie Rodgers "English Country Garden", some novelty songs that hit only in England, and so on (this was on a podcast). Interesting stuff...Shapiro was only about 14 or 15 when she had her hits, and in 1963 she had The Beatles opening up for her tour of Britain. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: Bob Given the ridiculous rent you are paying at 443 Concord Ave, have you considered moving the transmitter to the old WCOP ( now WWDJ ) site in Lexington? (is that even feasible?) I live in Inman Sq ( facing east ) and I have to turn receiver around to null Toronto. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > m_carney@yahoo.com writes: > > I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the > last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's > not > a place for that kind of music on radio today. > > > > > ------------------ > WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional > Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) > > ---jibguy > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 30 19:30:41 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:30:41 -0400 Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. In-Reply-To: <8D073E9AD21466D-1890-34079@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> <8D073E9AD21466D-1890-34079@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <21025.11041.446420.900707@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Additionally WORC Worcester was playing the likes of Cliff Richard, > Helen Shapiro, Gerry & the Pacemakers, Matt Monro, Shadows / Jet > Harris & Tony Meehan, and other British entertainers as far back as > '61. I think that one of their DJ's had the idea that a British > Invasion was on the horizon and had records sent over. It wouldn't be the first time that had happened. Much earlier, during the early 1940s musicians strike, WNEW's Martin Block had new records shipped over from Britain so that he could play new music on his show (since no new records were being made in the U.S.). The AFM leadership ordered the station's house orchestra to strike in retaliation. (Vocalists were not represented by the AFM and continued to record, but without accompaniment; some authorities credit the strike for the rise of vocalists to top billing over the bands they had formerly sung for.) -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 29 15:12:43 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:12:43 -0400 Subject: Charles Clemons On WCVB-TV Interview Show Message-ID: <20130829191243.244730@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dale H. Cook >Sent: 08/28/13 06:15 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Charles Clemons On WCVB-TV Interview Show >At 06:19 PM 8/27/2013, Laurence Glavin wrote: >WCVB-TV, although located in Needham, MA >Although their transmitter site is in Needham WCVB-TV is licensed to the city of Boston. >Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA >http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html When I referred to Boston as a "nearby City", it should have been evident that a skosh of humor was involved. Remember, the studio is also in Needham. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 30 21:04:50 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:04:50 -0400 Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> <8D073E9AD21466D-1890-34079@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> <21025.11041.446420.900707@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <420755BED1BB428CA29C2D2D51157194@SatU205S5044> Almost correct, but not quite. Guitar accompaniment was permitted because guitarists were not represented by the AFM. (At least, that's what I've heard.) There might even have been some other instruments that were allowed. For example, if the theremin (spelling?) had already been invented, I'm guessing that theremin would have been allowed because the very few thermin players in the world probably had no union representation. Also, what artists would want those weired sounds on their records? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Mark Connelly" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:30 PM Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. > < said: > > > (Vocalists were not represented by the AFM and continued > to record, but without accompaniment;> > > -GAWollman > From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Aug 30 21:11:45 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. Message-ID: <10b7f3.5770e48c.3f529cd1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/30/2013 9:07:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: Almost correct, but not quite. Guitar accompaniment was permitted because guitarists were not represented by the AFM. (At least, that's what I've heard.) There might even have been some other instruments that were allowed. Maybe that's what helped launch "The Mills Brothers'" long string of hit. Just them singing and playing a guitar and a banjo. ---jibguy From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Aug 30 21:17:57 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. Message-ID: <10b944.17b0dbb.3f529e45@aol.com> In a message dated 8/30/2013 9:14:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jibguy@aol.com writes: Maybe that's what helped launch "The Mills Brothers'" long string of hit. Just them singing and playing a guitar and a banjo. meant to say "(their) long string of hits". From sids1045@aol.com Fri Aug 30 21:23:37 2013 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:23:37 -0400 Subject: WKFY, WJIB, old British pop, etc. In-Reply-To: <420755BED1BB428CA29C2D2D51157194@SatU205S5044> References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> <8D073E9AD21466D-1890-34079@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> <21025.11041.446420.900707@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <420755BED1BB428CA29C2D2D51157194@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5F40D893-D99D-4C9B-8E5D-99C441FD1287@aol.com> "what artists would want those weired sounds on their records?" The Beach Boys ("Good Vibrations") didn't seem to mind it, not to mention just about every writer of background music for B-grade sci-fi movies. From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 02:58:11 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 02:58:11 -0400 Subject: The WJIB signal Message-ID: At 1:00 this morning I had to take an unexpected drive to East Derry, NH, when I got back in the car I switched from WBZ to see what was on WFEA and CFZM. 740 Toronto was playing 50?s rock and roll with some 50?s MOR and suddenly taking over quite strongly was Vaughn Monroe singing ?Dance Ballerina Dance? followed by a version of Blue Velvet not by Bobby Vinton it was WJIB at 5 watts giving CFZM a run for its money 45 miles from Boston, not bad I would say From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 30 08:16:16 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:16:16 -0400 Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: I havent been up through the area near WJIB in years, but I would bet the tower location WJIB currently has is one of the reasons it's signal is so good. Move it further inland and the signal dissipates. Only a guess because of water nearby. Paul On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bob > > Given the ridiculous rent you are paying at 443 Concord Ave, have you > considered moving the transmitter to the old WCOP ( now WWDJ ) site in > Lexington? (is that even feasible?) > > I live in Inman Sq ( facing east ) and I have to turn receiver around to > null Toronto. > > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM, wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 8/29/2013 11:19:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > m_carney@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I have only recently become acquainted with Helen Shapiro's music in the > > last year (along with Matt Monro and Kathy Kirby). It is too bad there's > > not > > a place for that kind of music on radio today. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > WJIB and WJTO play LOTS of Matt Monro's music.... and an occasional > > Shapiro song when egged on by a certain Cape Codder! :-) > > > > ---jibguy > > > From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 08:42:20 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:42:20 -0400 Subject: The WJIB signal References: Message-ID: <0DB2AD56A4084157AC6873A2B52090A6@MarkOTS3> Chris Hall wrote: >740 Toronto was playing 50?s rock and roll with some 50?s >MOR and suddenly >taking over quite strongly was Vaughn >Monroe singing ?Dance Ballerina >Dance? followed by a >version of Blue Velvet not by Bobby Vinton it was >WJIB at >5 watts giving CFZM a run for its money 45 miles from >Boston, not >bad I would say. I've picked up WJIB on it's 5 watts in Lowell on some Summer nights in the past. I've also heard 740 Toronto dominate WJIB's 5 watts on I-93 North coming out of the Tip O'Neill Tunnel on Winter nights. I've read somehwere (probably in a post here perhaps) that low power AM signals tend to go further in the Summer then Winter. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 08:53:16 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:53:16 -0400 Subject: WKFY References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: Paul Walker wrote: >I havent been up through the area near WJIB in years, but I would bet the > tower location WJIB currently has is one of the reasons it's signal is so > good. Move it further inland and the signal dissipates. > Only a guess because of water nearby. WJIB's tower is not near the ocean, the closest water is Fresh Pond. But as Chris Hall mentioned in his post, the ground system was replaced with the four long copper rods deep into the soil. Apparently it works, as WJIB's day signal is listenable in my car radio in Lowell and is listenable in other places around the Greater Boston area. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 09:06:24 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: WCAP Off The Air Message-ID: <302EFB1503054A56BFBFF89894049CE2@MarkOTS3> WCAP has been off the air since sometime yesterday afternoon. I tuned in around 10:00 yesterday morning, the audio was very distorted. It also appeared they were not putting out the full 5KW signal. Just before 12 Noon I tuned in on the car radio just prior to the I-93/110 rotary (by Exit 46) in Methuen (9 or 10 miles from the TX site as the crow flies) and they were barely audible. Normally they should be loud and clear at that spot. Tuned in around 3:30, they were off the air, no carrier. Something major gone wrong at the TX site? Mark Watson From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Aug 31 09:52:18 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:52:18 -0400 Subject: FW: WKFY References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> Message-ID: <023801cea651$4fbb9ba0$ef32d2e0$@garysicecream.com> I was able to receive WJIB last night around 10pm in Chelmsford and they were loud and clear. Of course I was listening in AM just below the 160 meter ham band....using a moderate ham rig (Yaesu FT950) connected to a 120 foot long dipole going through an antenna tuner......but they were loud and clear. Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:53 AM To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Kevin Vahey Cc: Mark Connelly; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WKFY Paul Walker wrote: >I havent been up through the area near WJIB in years, but I would bet >the tower location WJIB currently has is one of the reasons it's >signal is so good. Move it further inland and the signal dissipates. > Only a guess because of water nearby. WJIB's tower is not near the ocean, the closest water is Fresh Pond. But as Chris Hall mentioned in his post, the ground system was replaced with the four long copper rods deep into the soil. Apparently it works, as WJIB's day signal is listenable in my car radio in Lowell and is listenable in other places around the Greater Boston area. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 11:17:31 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:17:31 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global Message-ID: All Access and Radio-Info reporting that Cumulus has purchased Dial Global for $260 million, and will be merged into the Cumulus Media Networks operating under the name Westwood One. As part of this deal Cumulus is spinning off 53 stations nationwide to Townsquare Media, including stations in the Portsmouth/Dover/Rochester and Portland markets. As a result of this Townsquare is now the third largest radio station owner in the US. Dial Global offers several satellite fed music formats, including the "Timeless Favorites" standards/soft AC format airing on WFEA Manchester. I believe Dial Global also operates the voice tracking service that is being used outside of AM drive and middays on WBOQ. The deal also give Cumulus radio distribution rights to radio broadcasts of NFL games, NCAA basketball, Olympics, AP Radio News, NBC Radio News and various syndicated programs, some of which (such as the NFL and NCAA) are heard on either WEEI or WBZ-FM. Once the station sale is approved, it should be interesting to see how this will affect the Portsmouth and Portland stations, programming and staffing wise. WOKQ in Dover is also simulcast on WPKQ 103.7 licensed to North Conway, transmitting from atop Mt. Washington. Curious to know if WPKQ will be part of the sale to Townsquare. Mark Watson Mark Watson From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 31 12:10:46 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:10:46 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> Mark Watson wrote-- > Dial Global offers several satellite fed music formats, including the "Timeless Favorites" standards/soft AC format airing on WFEA Manchester. I believe Dial Global also operates the voice tracking service that is being used outside of AM drive and middays on WBOQ. > And they syndicate several high-profile talkers, including Stephanie Miller. They used to distribute Ed Schultz when he was just getting started. Most of the talkers they distribute are conservatives, but they were among the first to take a chance on some progressive/liberal talkers, back when they were known as the Jones Radio Network. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Aug 31 13:19:50 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:19:50 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:10 PM 8/31/2013, Donna Halper wrote: >Most of the talkers they distribute are conservatives One notable exception is a non-political talker, Clark Howard. His consumer and financial daily talk show is informative, entertaining, and a refreshing relief to those of us who have grown tired of political talkers, left, right, or otherwise. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From markwats@comcast.net Sat Aug 31 14:24:45 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:24:45 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global References: Message-ID: Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't they own the an NFL package as well? (Wonder if >'OKQ would cover > non-Pats games....) IINM Dial Global has the NFL radio package along with radio coverage of the Super Bowl thanks to their acquisition of Westwood One. I believe that WEEI has/had those games, not sure if they still do or if the Sports Hub has them now. If 'EEI still has the NFL radio package in Boston, it's probably mostly aired on 850, but I would guess they'd air the Super Bowl on 93.7. WPKQ is/was a Patriots Radio Network affiliate, someone else in the Portsmouth market must the Pats as WOKQ/WPKQ simulcast would split for 'PKQ to air the Pats. (I don't know who has the Pats in Portsmouth).I don't believe 'OKQ has ever had the Pats games. Don't think they'd carry any non-Pats games either. Mark Watson From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Aug 31 15:04:34 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:04:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: The WJIB signal Message-ID: <30038313.1377975874027.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> On a night when the 740 Toronto skywave wan't strong, I heard five watt WJIB faintly but listenably in the parking lot of what was then the Tweeter Center (now Comcast Center, originally Great Woods) in Mansfield, MA. Speaking of low-power nighttime authorizations, I've noticed that WNTN, Newton now appears to be granted three watts at night! Does anyone know whether they've actually been using this authority? I'll have to check the next time I'm in the area at night. There are some days when they don't even fill out their allowed full-power daytime schedule all the way until sunset and sign off early. Their website schedule claims some online streaming only programming after sunset. If that is actually happening, maybe that programming is now also being broadcast on the air with three watts. EP From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Aug 31 21:20:52 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WKFY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1377998452.79359.YahooMailIosMobile@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I get it decently here on the far reaches of the South Shore out by 495. I'm assuming Bob takes care of the ground system. I feel like a lot of station owners don't (see issues at 1170 the past year or two).

From hopfgarten@mail.com Sat Aug 31 12:56:58 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:58 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't they own the an NFL package as well? (Wonder if 'OKQ would cover non-Pats games....) -Paul H -NH -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:17 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global All Access and Radio-Info reporting that Cumulus has purchased Dial Global for $260 million, and will be merged into the Cumulus Media Networks operating under the name Westwood One. As part of this deal Cumulus is spinning off 53 stations nationwide to Townsquare Media, including stations in the Portsmouth/Dover/Rochester and Portland markets. As a result of this Townsquare is now the third largest radio station owner in the US. Dial Global offers several satellite fed music formats, including the "Timeless Favorites" standards/soft AC format airing on WFEA Manchester. I believe Dial Global also operates the voice tracking service that is being used outside of AM drive and middays on WBOQ. The deal also give Cumulus radio distribution rights to radio broadcasts of NFL games, NCAA basketball, Olympics, AP Radio News, NBC Radio News and various syndicated programs, some of which (such as the NFL and NCAA) are heard on either WEEI or WBZ-FM. Once the station sale is approved, it should be interesting to see how this will affect the Portsmouth and Portland stations, programming and staffing wise. WOKQ in Dover is also simulcast on WPKQ 103.7 licensed to North Conway, transmitting from atop Mt. Washington. Curious to know if WPKQ will be part of the sale to Townsquare. Mark Watson Mark Watson From hopfgarten@mail.com Sat Aug 31 14:46:58 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994CD063458D496B85B915FD4AAA4C77@PaulPC> WSHK/WSAK (102.1/105.3) Hampton NH/Kittery ME have the Pats on the Seacoast... -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:24 PM To: Paul Hopfgarten ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Cumulus Buys Dial Global Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't they own the an NFL package as well? (Wonder if >'OKQ would cover > non-Pats games....) IINM Dial Global has the NFL radio package along with radio coverage of the Super Bowl thanks to their acquisition of Westwood One. I believe that WEEI has/had those games, not sure if they still do or if the Sports Hub has them now. If 'EEI still has the NFL radio package in Boston, it's probably mostly aired on 850, but I would guess they'd air the Super Bowl on 93.7. WPKQ is/was a Patriots Radio Network affiliate, someone else in the Portsmouth market must the Pats as WOKQ/WPKQ simulcast would split for 'PKQ to air the Pats. (I don't know who has the Pats in Portsmouth).I don't believe 'OKQ has ever had the Pats games. Don't think they'd carry any non-Pats games either. Mark Watson