From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Sep 1 00:38:28 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 00:38:28 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words Message-ID: Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of CBS News must be turning in their graves. You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just another very common embarrassment for all concerned. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 1 02:18:30 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 02:18:30 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5041A8B6.3010206@attorneyross.com> On 9/1/2012 12:38 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced > it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero > attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of CBS News must be turning in their graves. > You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed > about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just another very common embarrassment for all concerned. Yes, I remember when I started announcing at WMUA, I was told right away that the H is silent in "Amherst." And I remember the UPI teletype occasionally had a pronunciation guide for various foreign names and other difficult words. Even earlier, when I was in high school, the newscasts on Top 40 WCOP knew the difference between a head of state and a head of government. They even used terms like "Chancellor of the Exchequer," which news reports today tend to call "finance minister." No standards any more! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Sep 2 10:37:51 2012 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 10:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words Message-ID: I was watching Channel 5 in NY during their 6PM newscast a few days ago. The story was about prehistoric remains found and they were from the "Jurrasic Park Period". Mike In a message dated 9/1/2012 12:01:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero<<< From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Sep 2 11:38:11 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:38:11 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words References: Message-ID: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't need to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the world, so presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing nuclear in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at the time, been a very highly placed government official. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of CBS News must be turning in their graves. You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just another very common embarrassment for all concerned. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Sep 2 12:52:55 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:52:55 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50438EE7.70209@donnahalper.com> On 9/2/2012 10:37 AM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > I was watching Channel 5 in NY during their 6PM newscast a few days ago. > The story was about prehistoric remains found and they were from the > "Jurrasic Park Period". > And then, we have the dreaded dangling modifiers. I saw a story on channel 4 several weeks ago about a shark whose body washed up on the beach, and the reporter said that a bystander had "sent a picture of the shark with a cell phone camera." Needless to say, I was pretty excited to learn that now, even sharks can use an iPhone or Android. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 2 22:28:50 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:28:50 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> References: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> On 9/2/2012 11:38 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio > announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't > need > to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the > world, so > presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not > have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing > nuclear > in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each > political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a > nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not > clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become > president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at > the > time, been a very highly placed government official. I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a standard Southern pronunciation? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From peterwmurray@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 23:49:09 2012 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:49:09 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> References: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > > I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a > standard Southern pronunciation? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Sep 2 23:55:12 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:55:12 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: References: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <50442A20.4060708@gabrielmass.com> I get the impression that it's customary among military personnel. --RC On 09/02/2012 11:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... > On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > >> I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a >> standard Southern pronunciation? >> From elliotabrams@gmail.com Mon Sep 3 12:30:03 2012 From: elliotabrams@gmail.com (Elliot Abrams) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:30:03 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> President Eisenhower said nukular as well! But who am I to cast stones? My humid comes out as Yumid. Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: > Send Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list submissions to > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > boston-radio-interest-owner@lists.BostonRadio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Boston-Radio-Interest digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Dan.Strassberg) > 2. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Donna Halper) > 3. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (A Joseph Ross) > 4. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Peter Murray) > 5. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Richard Chonak) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:38:11 -0400 > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Chris Hall" , > > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio > announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't need > to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the world, so > presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not > have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing nuclear > in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each > political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a > nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not > clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become > president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at the > time, been a very highly placed government official. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hall" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:38 AM > Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > > > Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my > favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced > it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, > now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero > attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of CBS > News must be turning in their graves. > You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When > someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed > about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just > another very common embarrassment for all concerned. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:52:55 -0400 > From: Donna Halper > To: TVNETDUDE@aol.com > Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org, > chris2526@comcast.net > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <50438EE7.70209@donnahalper.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/2/2012 10:37 AM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: >> I was watching Channel 5 in NY during their 6PM newscast a few days ago. >> The story was about prehistoric remains found and they were from the >> "Jurrasic Park Period". >> > > And then, we have the dreaded dangling modifiers. I saw a story on > channel 4 several weeks ago about a shark whose body washed up on the > beach, and the reporter said that a bystander had "sent a picture of the > shark with a cell phone camera." Needless to say, I was pretty excited > to learn that now, even sharks can use an iPhone or Android. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:28:50 -0400 > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/2/2012 11:38 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio >> announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't >> need >> to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the >> world, so >> presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not >> have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing >> nuclear >> in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each >> political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a >> nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not >> clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become >> president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at >> the >> time, been a very highly placed government official. > > I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a > standard Southern pronunciation? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:49:09 -0400 > From: Peter Murray > To: A Joseph Ross > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... > On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > >> >> I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a >> standard Southern pronunciation? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:55:12 -0400 > From: Richard Chonak > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <50442A20.4060708@gabrielmass.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I get the impression that it's customary among military personnel. > > --RC > > > > > On 09/02/2012 11:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >> It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... >> On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: >> >>> I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a >>> standard Southern pronunciation? >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list > Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > > > End of Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221 > ****************************************************** From elliotabrams@gmail.com Mon Sep 3 12:30:03 2012 From: elliotabrams@gmail.com (Elliot Abrams) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:30:03 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> President Eisenhower said nukular as well! But who am I to cast stones? My humid comes out as Yumid. Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: > Send Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list submissions to > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > boston-radio-interest-owner@lists.BostonRadio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Boston-Radio-Interest digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Dan.Strassberg) > 2. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Donna Halper) > 3. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (A Joseph Ross) > 4. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Peter Murray) > 5. Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words (Richard Chonak) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:38:11 -0400 > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Chris Hall" , > > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio > announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't need > to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the world, so > presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not > have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing nuclear > in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each > political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a > nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not > clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become > president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at the > time, been a very highly placed government official. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hall" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:38 AM > Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > > > Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my > favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced > it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high standards, > now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero > attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of CBS > News must be turning in their graves. > You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When > someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed > about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just > another very common embarrassment for all concerned. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:52:55 -0400 > From: Donna Halper > To: TVNETDUDE@aol.com > Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org, > chris2526@comcast.net > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <50438EE7.70209@donnahalper.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/2/2012 10:37 AM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: >> I was watching Channel 5 in NY during their 6PM newscast a few days ago. >> The story was about prehistoric remains found and they were from the >> "Jurrasic Park Period". >> > > And then, we have the dreaded dangling modifiers. I saw a story on > channel 4 several weeks ago about a shark whose body washed up on the > beach, and the reporter said that a bystander had "sent a picture of the > shark with a cell phone camera." Needless to say, I was pretty excited > to learn that now, even sharks can use an iPhone or Android. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:28:50 -0400 > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/2/2012 11:38 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio >> announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't >> need >> to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the >> world, so >> presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not >> have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing >> nuclear >> in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each >> political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a >> nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not >> clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become >> president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at >> the >> time, been a very highly placed government official. > > I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a > standard Southern pronunciation? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:49:09 -0400 > From: Peter Murray > To: A Joseph Ross > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... > On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: > >> >> I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a >> standard Southern pronunciation? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:55:12 -0400 > From: Richard Chonak > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words > Message-ID: <50442A20.4060708@gabrielmass.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I get the impression that it's customary among military personnel. > > --RC > > > > > On 09/02/2012 11:49 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >> It is no more southern than "corpse-man" is Mid-Western..... >> On Sep 2, 2012 11:30 PM, "A Joseph Ross" wrote: >> >>> I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a >>> standard Southern pronunciation? >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list > Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > > > End of Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221 > ****************************************************** From attychase@comcast.net Mon Sep 3 22:09:25 2012 From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Chase) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 22:09:25 -0400 Subject: Maybe they did pronounce nucle-ar right References: Message-ID: See below URL. Apparently President Eisenhower and Edward Teller also pronounced it that way, not to mention it may also have been a convention amongst the nucle-ar weapons labs. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/02/18/bush-and-carters-nuclear-pronunciation-might-be-right > Listening to WINS today and heard several mispronounced words including my > favorite cringe of all time NUKE-KU-LER, the anchor babe mispronounced > it three times in one story. The broadcast industry once had high > standards, > now even companies like CBS and their programmers pay zero > attention to this type of error, they go on and on. The great legends of > CBS > News must be turning in their graves. > You hear this stuff from PBS all the way down to local operations. When > someone comes into a market and they no longer instructed > about local pronunciations. This was a must years ago, now it is just > another very common embarrassment for all concerned. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Sep 3 23:08:22 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 23:08:22 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> References: <470C2B204C4E4D85A60EF45AB682A137@SatU205S5044> <504415E2.1070909@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20549.28838.851271.76228@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I wonder if it's a difference in regional pronunciation. Is "nukular" a > standard Southern pronunciation? Not necessarily. My dictionary doesn't give it as an alternative pronunciation, but the OED has the following note: : The colloquial pronunciation Brit. /?nju?kj?l?/ , U.S. : /?n(j)ukj?l?r/ (freq. rendered in written form as nucular ; compare : nucular adj.2) has been criticized in usage guides since at least : the mid 20th cent. (see for example Webster (1961) at cited word), : although it is now commonly given as a variant in modern : dictionaries. See Webster's Dict. Eng. Usage (1989) 673/1 for a : discussion of possible origins of the pronunciation. It's simply a very common nonstandard pronunciation. It's common enough that it can't legitimately be described as "wrong", but it's certainly the wrong *register* for something that claims to be a serious newscast. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Sep 3 23:15:57 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 23:15:57 -0400 Subject: Yumid In-Reply-To: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> References: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20549.29293.356489.43448@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > President Eisenhower said nukular as well! > But who am I to cast stones? My humid comes out as Yumid. That's perfectly ordinary h-dropping, which occurs in numerous dialects around the world. (The "standard" pronunciation is /hju-/, and the h-dropping pronunciation is precisely /ju-/.) Similarly, Barbara Marcin always used to say "hut" /hVt/ for "hot"; Bill Labov could probably pinpoint exactly where she grew up to have learned that pronunciation. (I'm pretty sure that there's a U.S. dialect region that makes that precise substitution consistently where standard pronunciation has /A/ in stressed syllables.) The one that I can't account for is Barry Burbank's "hairicane" /'hEirI,kEin/ for "hurricane" -- but he says it consistently, so that's probably how they say it wherever he grew up. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Tue Sep 4 00:06:38 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:06:38 -0400 Subject: Yumid In-Reply-To: <20549.29293.356489.43448@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> <20549.29293.356489.43448@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <50457E4E.1090905@gmail.com> On 9/3/2012 11:15 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Similarly, Barbara Marcin always used to say "hut" /hVt/ for "hot"; > Bill Labov could probably pinpoint exactly where she grew up to have > learned that pronunciation. (I'm pretty sure that there's a U.S. > dialect region that makes that precise substitution consistently where > standard pronunciation has /A/ in stressed syllables.) The one that I > can't account for is Barry Burbank's "hairicane" /'hEirI,kEin/ for > "hurricane" -- but he says it consistently, so that's probably how > they say it wherever he grew up. -GAWollman There are also weather people who have an even stranger dialect. For instance, some attempt to enunciate "partly sunny" and yet it expresses in "scattered showers." A stretch, clearly. But language is a nutty thing. Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Sep 3 23:19:25 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:19:25 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221 In-Reply-To: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> References: <45F4208F-DA8B-4646-89A4-0C0AAAB71F2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5045733D.7010603@attorneyross.com> On 9/3/2012 12:30 PM, Elliot Abrams wrote: > President Eisenhower said nukular as well! > > But who am I to cast stones? My humid comes out as Yumid. I remember LBJ appearing before the Democratic National Convention to announce his choice of running mate: "Senator Yubert 'Umphrey of Minnesota!" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 4 01:02:44 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 01:02:44 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again Message-ID: Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois said on Monday that if the PQ takes control of the government tomorrow they will immediately inform Ottawa that the province and not the country controls radio-tv of stations that have transmitters in Quebec and also would control what cable channels are available. She is on record that she does not want Bell to take control of Astral. This could get ugly as Ottawa usually caves to Quebec demands. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 5 00:22:54 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:22:54 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> On 9/4/2012 1:02 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois said on Monday that if the PQ > takes control of the government tomorrow they will immediately inform > Ottawa that the province and not the country controls radio-tv of > stations that have transmitters in Quebec and also would control what > cable channels are available. > > She is on record that she does not want Bell to take control of Astral. > > This could get ugly as Ottawa usually caves to Quebec demands. I believe that Conservative governments tend to cave less than Liberal governments. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Sep 5 00:42:16 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:42:16 -0400 Subject: nu-ku-lar Message-ID: Just because some people mispronounce words it does not make it proper, at the risk of being politically incorrect a good example would be axe when meaning ask From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Sep 5 02:17:36 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 02:17:36 -0400 Subject: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20550.61056.93942.780519@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just because some people mispronounce words it does not make it proper, To the contrary; a new pronounciation becomes "proper" when enough people change how they say things. That's why we're not still speaking Proto-Indo-European. What is "proper" in language is defined solely by the other people who use that language, and what they are willing to accept. The variant pronunciation of does not seem to have made that leap, but the variant pronunciation of very clearly has, to the point where we now spell it instead. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 5 03:24:29 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:24:29 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: PQ is very left wing - they won tonight and there was an assassination attempt tonight :( http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebecvotes2012/story/2012/09/05/marois-victory-speech-shot-fired.html As crazy as this sounds, I can foresee Ottawa caving to them on broadcast rights. Bell moved CKGM 990 to clear channel 690 today but has also said they would make 690 a French sports station to appease the CRTC. My sources in Montreal suggest that Bell will get the wavier on English stations IF they move CJAD to 690 and CKGM to 800. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:22 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9/4/2012 1:02 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Parti Quebecois Leader Pauline Marois said on Monday that if the PQ >> takes control of the government tomorrow they will immediately inform >> Ottawa that the province and not the country controls radio-tv of >> stations that have transmitters in Quebec and also would control what >> cable channels are available. >> >> She is on record that she does not want Bell to take control of Astral. >> >> This could get ugly as Ottawa usually caves to Quebec demands. >> > > I believe that Conservative governments tend to cave less than Liberal > governments. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Sep 5 03:31:20 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:31:20 -0400 Subject: A look back at radio "SOS" messages Message-ID: <5046FFC8.7030002@gabrielmass.com> BBC Radio 4 has a 30-minute program about a piece of radio history: how BBC used to have a nationwide "SOS Message Service" starting in 1923 that helped police make last-resort appeals to the public. It was used to inform travelers of their relatives at home who were in danger of dying, to seek witnesses of car accidents, and even to locate missing persons. The program tells stories of how the service affected people in very personal ways. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mdf9r The program is available on-line until Sep 10. I suppose a modern analogue is in message services like the "Amber Alert". Are there others? --RC From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Sep 5 09:53:31 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:53:31 -0400 Subject: Severin back, but online Message-ID: http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=2526670&spid=24698 Severin was let go by Talk 1200 when they changed format. RadioInk reports he has been signed by Glenn Beck's new online network The Blaze. Ironically enough while Clear Channel let him go, he winds up being heard on their iHeartRadio service. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Sep 5 10:03:17 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:03:17 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar Message-ID: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote, > To the contrary; a new pronounciation becomes "proper" > when enough people change how they say things. That's > why we're not still speaking Proto-Indo-European. What > is "proper" in language is defined solely by the other > people who use that language, and what they are willing > to accept. Wherefore art thou all complainin' about? It ain?t no big deal if thou speaketh rite and proppa! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Sep 5 11:10:02 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:10:02 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> References: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e001cd8b78$89f71460$9de53d20$@ma@comcast.net> The one that drives me crazy is the way people from other regions pronounce "the" as "thuh" in all circumstances. We were taught (by the good nuns) that when the word following "the" starts with a vowel, you should pronounce "the" as "thee". It sounds like you're stuttering to say things like "thuh internet" instead of "thee internet". It?s the same sort of thing with the "a" and "an": you say "an apple" not "a apple". From scott@fybush.com Wed Sep 5 11:44:14 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:44:14 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <00e001cd8b78$89f71460$9de53d20$@ma@comcast.net> References: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> <00e001cd8b78$89f71460$9de53d20$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5047734E.8010909@fybush.com> On 9/5/2012 11:10 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > The one that drives me crazy is the way people from other regions > pronounce "the" as "thuh" in all circumstances. I'm mostly bothered by this pronunciation when it's immediately followed by "Yankees win!" Ah, John Sterling... s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Sep 5 13:19:08 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:19:08 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <5047734E.8010909@fybush.com> References: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> <00e001cd8b78$89f71460$9de53d20$@ma@comcast.net> <5047734E.8010909@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20551.35212.979392.718244@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 9/5/2012 11:10 AM, Jim Hall wrote: >> The one that drives me crazy is the way people from other regions >> pronounce "the" as "thuh" in all circumstances. > I'm mostly bothered by this pronunciation when it's immediately followed > by "Yankees win!" But of course the rule that the nuns taught Jim to use would not apply to the John Sterling situation, because "Yankees" begins with a consonant sound. (There's another error people were taught in school: there are no such things as "vowel letters" and "consonant letters" a la "Wheel of Fortune" -- there are only vowel sounds and consonant sounds. When representats a consonant sound, written phonetically as /j/, it's what's called a "semivowel". When represents a vowel sound, it's usually /i/ but sometimes can be /I/ or /u/ or even /y/ in some loanwords. Of course, in some languages -- not English -- there is a more direct correspondance between spelling and pronunciation, making it legitimate to say, for example, that in Finnish is a "vowel letter", since it always represents the *sound* /y/.) -GAWollman Disclaimer: I'm not a phonetician, but I've spent a lot of time in the past five years reading people who are flame about popular misunderstandings about spoken language. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Sep 5 15:53:17 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:53:17 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <5047734E.8010909@fybush.com> References: <50475BA5.3000604@Gmail.com> <00e001cd8b78$89f71460$9de53d20$@ma@comcast.net> <5047734E.8010909@fybush.com> Message-ID: Now ain't that thee trute, Scott. Bill O?Neill I'm mostly bothered by this pronunciation when it's immediately followed by "Yankees win!" Ah, John Sterling... s From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 7 00:43:37 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:43:37 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It will be curious to see how the CRTC handles the Bell-Astral mess in Montreal. Montreal friends have told me the CRTC may allow CKGM to go French but move to 800 with CJAD moving to 690. By doing that the anglophones see their most important AM get a signal upgrade. On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Martin Waters wrote: > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > >As crazy as this sounds, I can foresee Ottawa caving to them on broadcast > >rights. > > I looked at the Toronto Globe & Mail and went lo the CBC radio > podcast page. The national government is Conservative, a party with little > support in Quebec. So, unlike the Liberals, they are less likely to do much > business with the PQ party provincial government. Also, in the game of > pre-election expectations, the PQ victory was smaller than many expected. > It did not win an outright majority of the legislative seats and polled > only slightly more popular votes than the Liberals. > One of the PQ party's much bigger demands is at least some level of > control over foreign policy and immigration. Broadcasting and communication > regulation have an international aspect, too, with treaties and such -- > which, ISTM, will make the federal government balk. > I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean there's no chance of giving > in on something as specific as the requirements of French vs. English > language broadcasting. That would be a can of worms, though, IMO, because > then there likely would be agitation elsewhere, mainly in the West, to > eliminate French language broadcasting. My $0.02. > "Can't we all just get along? . . . " > From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 00:21:03 2012 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 21:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In Quebec - here we go again References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?> Kevin Vahey?wrote: >As crazy as this sounds, I can foresee Ottawa caving to them on broadcast >rights. ???? I looked at the Toronto Globe & Mail and went lo the CBC radio podcast page. The national government is Conservative, a party with little support in Quebec. So, unlike the Liberals, they are less likely to do much business with the PQ party provincial government.?Also, in the game of pre-election expectations, the PQ victory was smaller than many expected. It did not win an outright majority of the legislative seats and polled only?slightly more popular votes than the Liberals. ???? One of the PQ party's much bigger demands is at least some level of control over foreign policy and immigration. Broadcasting and communication regulation have an international?aspect, too, with treaties and such -- which, ISTM, will make the federal government balk. ????? ?I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean there's no chance of giving in on something as specific as the requirements of French vs. English language broadcasting. That would be a can of worms, though, IMO, because then there likely would?be agitation elsewhere, mainly in the West, to eliminate French language broadcasting. My $0.02. ??????? "Can't we all just get along? ?. . . "? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 7 01:43:27 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:43:27 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> On 9/7/2012 12:21 AM, Martin Waters wrote: > I looked at the Toronto Globe & Mail and went lo the CBC radio podcast page. The national government is Conservative, a party with little support in Quebec. So, unlike the Liberals, they are less likely to do much business with the PQ party provincial government. Also, in the game of pre-election > expectations, the PQ victory was smaller than many expected. It did not win an outright majority of the legislative seats and polled only slightly more popular votes than the Liberals. > One of the PQ party's much bigger demands is at least some level of control over foreign policy and immigration. Broadcasting and communication regulation have an international aspect, too, with treaties and such -- which, ISTM, will make the federal government balk. > I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean there's no chance of giving in on something as specific as the requirements of French vs. English language broadcasting. That would be a can of worms, though, IMO, because then there likely would be agitation elsewhere, mainly in the West, to eliminate French language broadcasting. My $0.02. > "Can't we all just get along? . . . " I'm not sure that even Liberal governments always cave to the PQ. As I recall, last time the PQ were in power and talking about "Sovereignty-Association," the Liberal government of Prime Minister Jean Cretien rejected sovereignty-association and supported the Indians in Quebec who said that if Quebec seceded from Canada, they would secede from Quebec. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 08:30:43 2012 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 05:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar Message-ID: <1347021043.69593.YahooMailClassic@web184905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >From page 155 of "The Word for the Day", written in 2002 by long-time WTIC morning man Bob Steele and his son, Phil: NOO-klee-ur - Never say: NOO-kyuh-lur or NOO-kyoo-lur From ehennessy@verizon.net Fri Sep 7 08:43:02 2012 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 07:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar Message-ID: <27971628.2335418.1347021782168.JavaMail.root@vznit170146> A pet peeve of mine is that (according to what used to be accepted, standard usage) a non-aspirated H sound uses 'an' because it is basically silent and picks up the vowel sound that follows the H, but a non-aspirated H uses 'a' because it's a consonant sound. It's "a historical event," but "an homage." Any other usage, IMHO, is incorrect and often pretentious sounding. My 2c...and my teachers in elementary school thank you... Ed Hennessy On 09/05/12, Jim Hall wrote: The one that drives me crazy is the way people from other regions pronounce "the" as "thuh" in all circumstances. We were taught (by the good nuns) that when the word following "the" starts with a vowel, you should pronounce "the" as "thee". It sounds like you're stuttering to say things like "thuh internet" instead of "thee internet". It?s the same sort of thing with the "a" and "an": you say "an apple" not "a apple". From billohno@gmail.com Fri Sep 7 11:36:14 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:36:14 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <27971628.2335418.1347021782168.JavaMail.root@vznit170146> References: <27971628.2335418.1347021782168.JavaMail.root@vznit170146> Message-ID: <5a1f0900-1000-4729-95a5-2b07bd3b6045@email.android.com> Put me down for heighT not heighTH. Drives me nut-th. Bill O? -------- Original Message -------- From: Ed Hennessy Sent: Fri Sep 07 08:43:02 EDT 2012 To: Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: RE: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar A pet peeve of mine is that (according to what used to be accepted, standard usage) a non-aspirated H sound uses 'an' because it is basically silent and picks up the vowel sound that follows the H, but a non-aspirated H uses 'a' because it's a consonant sound. It's "a historical event," but "an homage." Any other usage, IMHO, is incorrect and often pretentious sounding. My 2c...and my teachers in elementary school thank you... Ed Hennessy On 09/05/12, Jim Hall wrote: The one that drives me crazy is the way people from other regions pronounce "the" as "thuh" in all circumstances. We were taught (by the good nuns) that when the word following "the" starts with a vowel, you should pronounce "the" as "thee". It sounds like you're stuttering to say things like "thuh internet" instead of "thee internet". It?s the same sort of thing with the "a" and "an": you say "an apple" not "a apple". From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Sep 7 12:05:29 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:05:29 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm not sure that even Liberal governments always cave to the PQ. We're getting a bit far afield from the subject of this list, so I'd like to limit the discussion on this issue to one more round, unless we can bring it back to broadcasting. The thing that's important to keep in mind is that in Canada, the provincial parties are separate from the federal parties.[1] The PLQ (Quebec liberals) are a center-to-slightly-right-of-center party; their leader, Jean Charest (who lost his seat in the last election), used to be a federal *Conservative* MP, cabinet minister, and deputy PM. You have similar divides in the other provinces, which often have a different set of competitive political parties than at the federal level. -GAWollman [1] Formally, that's true in the U.S. as well, but the national and state party organizations are much more similar in ideology and closely coordinate their activities and branding. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 7 12:49:35 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:49:35 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: To bring it back to broadcasting - is there any country in the world that allows a state/province to have control over radio/tv/cable? On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > I'm not sure that even Liberal governments always cave to the PQ. > > We're getting a bit far afield from the subject of this list, so I'd > like to limit the discussion on this issue to one more round, unless > we can bring it back to broadcasting. > > The thing that's important to keep in mind is that in Canada, the > provincial parties are separate from the federal parties.[1] The PLQ > (Quebec liberals) are a center-to-slightly-right-of-center party; > their leader, Jean Charest (who lost his seat in the last election), > used to be a federal *Conservative* MP, cabinet minister, and deputy > PM. You have similar divides in the other provinces, which often have > a different set of competitive political parties than at the federal > level. > > -GAWollman > > [1] Formally, that's true in the U.S. as well, but the national and > state party organizations are much more similar in ideology and > closely coordinate their activities and branding. > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Sep 7 12:34:54 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:54 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar In-Reply-To: <5a1f0900-1000-4729-95a5-2b07bd3b6045@email.android.com> References: <27971628.2335418.1347021782168.JavaMail.root@vznit170146> <5a1f0900-1000-4729-95a5-2b07bd3b6045@email.android.com> Message-ID: <019301cd8d16$b9f65d20$2de31760$@ma@comcast.net> And then there's "OFF TEN" instead of "OFFEN" for "often". And "Haich" instead of "aich" for the letter H. I think that's a UK thing, because I have heard otherwise well-spoken people on BBC America use it. I am trying to remember when regional dialects first began to appear on national TV. Previously everyone on TV spoke with a very neutral mid-west accent that varied little from announcer to announcer. My own inclination is to think it happened when Dan Rather covered the Kennedy assassination in Dallas for KRLD-TV and was carried nationally on CBS. Dan's accent was so thick then you could cut it with a knife then. But his reporting was outstanding and the network hired him, accent and all. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:36 AM To: Ed Hennessy; Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: RE: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar Put me down for heighT not heighTH. Drives me nut-th. Bill O? From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Sep 7 12:49:33 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 12:49:33 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <46D1150E-AD7E-4E6D-AD98-1B837C7B60BD@mac.com> On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I'm not sure that even Liberal governments always cave to the PQ. > > We're getting a bit far afield from the subject of this list, so I'd > like to limit the discussion on this issue to one more round, unless > we can bring it back to broadcasting. Hasn?t the CBC been moving much of it?s operations from Montreal to Toronto, in order to prevent it from being taken over by the Quebec government in case of succession? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From map@mapinternet.com Fri Sep 7 12:09:39 2012 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:09:39 -0400 Subject: nu-ku-lar... Ayuh! In-Reply-To: <1347021043.69593.YahooMailClassic@web184905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1347021043.69593.YahooMailClassic@web184905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A043B11CE6D4BB4B3DA4B3C5F1349D7@CASEYPC> I vote with Bob Steele! But.... if we have to evolve we may as well just go to "Noo-klur" for simplicity--Ha! Just as long as "Ayuh" doesn't become just "Yuh", I'll be satisfied! Mark Casey Out here with the Cows in Western Mass.---and lovin' it!....Ayuh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dillane" To: "Boston Radio board" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: [B-R-I] Re: nu-ku-lar >From page 155 of "The Word for the Day", written in 2002 by long-time WTIC >morning man Bob Steele and his son, Phil: NOO-klee-ur - Never say: NOO-kyuh-lur or NOO-kyoo-lur From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 7 14:16:12 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 14:16:12 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <46D1150E-AD7E-4E6D-AD98-1B837C7B60BD@mac.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <46D1150E-AD7E-4E6D-AD98-1B837C7B60BD@mac.com> Message-ID: CBC has for years run a barebones English TV operation in Montreal in the SRC (French) headquarters. CBMT does do a local newscast but it is ignored by viewers as CFCF-12 is the station viewers watch in big numbers. On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > > > < joe@attorneyross.com> said: > > > >> I'm not sure that even Liberal governments always cave to the PQ. > > > > We're getting a bit far afield from the subject of this list, so I'd > > like to limit the discussion on this issue to one more round, unless > > we can bring it back to broadcasting. > > Hasn?t the CBC been moving much of it?s operations from Montreal to > Toronto, in order to prevent it from being taken over by the Quebec > government in case of succession? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Sep 7 14:49:56 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 13:49:56 -0500 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <46D1150E-AD7E-4E6D-AD98-1B837C7B60BD@mac.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <46D1150E-AD7E-4E6D-AD98-1B837C7B60BD@mac.com> Message-ID: <69c91accb943f8410675c25707c0d562.squirrel@webmail.fybush.com> > Hasn?t the CBC been moving much of it?s operations from Montreal to > Toronto, in order to prevent it from being taken over by the Quebec > government in case of succession? > > Larry Weil Aside from Radio Canada International (now gutted anyway) and the local Montreal radio and TV newsrooms, English-language CBC has been based in Toronto pretty much from the beginning. The national master control facility for English Radio 1, Radio 2 and TV has been in Toronto since the current broadcast center was built in the 1990s. I think there may be some distribution of Radio-Canada's French-language services that passes through the Toronto facility, but otherwise the rest of Radio-Canada comes from Maison Radio-Canada in Montreal (save, of course, for small local newsrooms in other parts of the country, including a very small local operation in Toronto for CJBC/CBLFT.) About the only place where CBC and SRC are managed in common these days is the corporate headquarters in Ottawa. s From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 7 17:03:51 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:03:51 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <504A6137.3060207@attorneyross.com> On 9/7/2012 12:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > To bring it back to broadcasting - is there any country in the world > that allows a state/province to have control over radio/tv/cable? I believe the German states have a lot of control over broadcasting within their states. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 8 01:30:26 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 01:30:26 -0400 Subject: In Quebec - here we go again In-Reply-To: <504A6137.3060207@attorneyross.com> References: <5046D39E.6010605@attorneyross.com> <1346991663.10579.YahooMailNeo@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5049897F.80807@attorneyross.com> <20554.6985.930496.474359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <504A6137.3060207@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Quebec really believes they are their own country. They actually control immigration - just being approved by Ottawa is not enough to let you move to Montreal. http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.html Scott detailed the Montreal mess 2 months ago http://www.fybush.com/nerw-7162012-will-montreals-690-speak-french-again/ As I posted yesterday - many in Montreal believe that Bell's endgame is to move CJAD 800 to 690. That would appease most anglophones - CKGM in turn becomes French with sports at 800. The new English station on 600 ( The former CFCF-CIQC ) would cover Montreal Island fine up into Ottawa. CKGM has very low BBM numbers but a Mercedes-Benz dealership (Silver Star) has kept them afloat as the owner is a sports nut. The CRTC works in mysterious ways. To allow CKAC 730 to become a 24 hour traffic station in French is a horrible waste of a former clear channel. Maybe the CRTC would allow TSN-English radio on silent 850 as nobody else seems to want it. ( Of course WEEI would not be thrilled with 850 firing up again as the old CKVL played havoc at night as they seemed to forget about pattern changes and just killed EEI at night in the NW burbs ) On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9/7/2012 12:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > To bring it back to broadcasting - is there any country in the world that > allows a state/province to have control over radio/tv/cable? > > > I believe the German states have a lot of control over broadcasting within > their states. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Sep 8 15:03:31 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 Subject: "Jack Nash" has died Message-ID: <20120908190332.128490@gmx.com> Didn't know him but word comes of the death of "Jack Nash", who I guess had been on WMLO, WMEX, etc. The wake and burial has already happened. I heard about this from WMWM's Doug Mascott, who had heard of it from former WNSH DJ "Dave Mack". http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/record-journal/obituary.aspx?n=john-d-jack-nash-naszcyniec&pid=159540162&fhid=8165#fbLoggedOut >> John D. Naszcyniec Jr., professionally known as "Jack Nash," died unexpectedly at his residence, Wednesday, Aug. 29, 2012. John was born in Meriden (CT); a1976 graduate of Curry College, and had been a Massachusetts resident for 40 years. John was currently employed as a Boston, Mass., radio station disc jockey, professionally known as "Jack Nash." From lglavin@mail.com Sun Sep 2 15:46:27 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:46:27 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words Message-ID: <20120902194627.77300@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan.Strassberg >Sent: 09/02/12 11:38 AM >To: Chris Hall, boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org .Subject: Re: WINS anchors mispronouncing words >Well, maybe it's good to demand better pronunciation from TV and radio >announcers than we demand from presidents. After all, announcers don't need to deal with all of the problems that confront the country and the world, so >presidents have an excuse for poor pronunciation that announcers do not >have. Still, we should not forget that persistently mispronouncing nuclear >in the same stupid way has afflicted two US presidents--one from each >political party. And one of those presidents was a very bright man--a >nukular engineer, even. The other was a graduate of Yale, though it's not >clear that he would have graduated had his father (who went on to become >president himself and AFAIK COULD correctly pronounce nuclear) not, at the >time, been a very highly placed government official. >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >eFax 1-707-215-6367 It was at least a year ago that Tom Ashbrook invited a person described as a SCIENTIST to talk about some subject, possibly climate change, on WBUR's "On Point". The guest wasn't a physicist or such as, but at one point HE said "nukular", which startled me a bit. So I went toi WBUR's "On Point" page on the station's website to express my surprise that any SCIENTIST would dfo that, but I was too late; all of the comments were expressions of surprise and even disgust, even to the point of saying "how can we believe anything he says even about his area of expertness if he gets this wrong". From lglavin@mail.com Wed Sep 5 17:57:53 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:57:53 -0400 Subject: How To Get Boston Ratings Now Message-ID: <20120905215753.77290@gmx.com> The former radio-info.com ratings page used to bring up the Boston ratings (or any market due on a given day for that matter) promptly at 5:00 pm Eastern time in an easy-to-read format including raw ratings numbers and cumes. This apparently is no longer the case, so it may be necessary to register with Allaccess.com (Fybush.com provides a link) to view the ratings and cumes there. (Somebody will have to fix the WMJX-FM cume; it appears to be WAY OFF). The fact that the ratings cover the period when WXKS-AM was right-wing talk and WODS-FM had just switched formats means that readers can dispense with their ratings for now. No mention of WFNX or WBHA yet. Something tells me that WEEI AM&FM and WBZ-FM will be trading places in the immediate future. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Sep 9 23:20:10 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 23:20:10 -0400 Subject: WINS anchors mispronouncing words In-Reply-To: <20120902194627.77300@gmx.com> References: <20120902194627.77300@gmx.com> Message-ID: <504D5C6A.60209@gabrielmass.com> On 09/02/2012 03:46 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > It was at least a year ago that Tom Ashbrook invited a person > described as a SCIENTIST to talk about some subject, possibl! y > climate change, on WBUR's "On Point". The guest wasn't a physicist or > such as, but at one point HE said "nukular", which startled me a bit. > So I went toi WBUR's "On Point" page on the station's website to > express my surprise that any SCIENTIST would dfo that, but I was too > late; all of the comments were expressions of surprise and even > disgust, even to the point of saying "how can we believe anything he > says even about his area of expertness if he gets this wrong". Perhaps this illustrates a difference between how experts speak and how the non-expert public expects them to speak. --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 11 02:21:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:21:01 -0400 Subject: RIP Leif Jensen WNAC Radio/TV Message-ID: Somehow we missed this. Leif was 'the voice' on Channel 7 for decades ( also on WNAC 680 ) I first met him circa 1969 when I took a summer relief gig at Channel 7 which had just moved to Bullfinch Place. Perhaps Larry Weil can fill in some blanks but back then the announce booth sat inside master control and it was almost something out of Star Trek the way it was designed. Leif was a heavy smoker but he was very gracious to young people like myself getting into the biz. WNAC-TV was well designed except that they bought a switcher from Northern Electric in Canada that had major problems with audio follow video. Leif had the challenge of not only saying 'WNAC-TV Boston' but had to add 'Your RKO General Station'. Leif pleaded with station bosses to rebrand Channel 7 WRKO-TV to cash in with the younger crowd but it went nowhere. He was a good man. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=158458333#fbLoggedOut He the main booth voice of WNAC and later WNEV Final WNAC-TV sign off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ257Sdl8XA Minutes later he signed WNEV-TV on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-rHMo4tTw He son was killed in a car crash a few weeks ago and I never put 2 and 2 together until now. http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120817/OBITS02/208170350 From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Sep 11 05:10:36 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:10:36 -0400 Subject: RIP Leif Jensen WNAC Radio/TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51CB48EE-CC5A-42D4-BFE6-E00B28864339@mac.com> This was all before my time at WNEV/WHDH. I started there in Dec 1982 but spent the first three years working at the transmitter before moving to the studio to do Master Control. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. On Sep 11, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Somehow we missed this. > > Leif was 'the voice' on Channel 7 for decades ( also on WNAC 680 ) > > I first met him circa 1969 when I took a summer relief gig at Channel > 7 which had just moved to Bullfinch Place. > > Perhaps Larry Weil can fill in some blanks but back then the announce > booth sat inside master control and it was almost something out of > Star Trek the way it was designed. Leif was a heavy smoker but he was > very gracious to young people like myself getting into the biz. > > WNAC-TV was well designed except that they bought a switcher from > Northern Electric in Canada that had major problems with audio follow > video. Leif had the challenge of not only saying 'WNAC-TV Boston' but > had to add 'Your RKO General Station'. > > Leif pleaded with station bosses to rebrand Channel 7 WRKO-TV to cash > in with the younger crowd but it went nowhere. > > He was a good man. > > http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=158458333#fbLoggedOut > > He the main booth voice of WNAC and later WNEV > > Final WNAC-TV sign off > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ257Sdl8XA > > Minutes later he signed WNEV-TV on > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-rHMo4tTw > > He son was killed in a car crash a few weeks ago and I never put 2 and > 2 together until now. > http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120817/OBITS02/208170350 From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 16:49:52 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Heidi Watney has already left the Lakers station Message-ID: <1347569392.43942.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> This was in the Boston Globe this morning. The article said that her plans are unknown. I don't see her coming back to Boston - no real openings right now. http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/09/heidi_watney.html? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 23:53:27 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:53:27 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books Message-ID: Has anyone read this book about Dave Maynard? I just finished it. I was a bit dissappointed as I was hoping for some of his insights into broadcasting, his career, Westinghouse, dealing with the different brass over the years at WBZ, and to what he attributed his folksy success, his move to overnights, his move of Community Auditions from WBZ to WCVB, and maybe what his personal and family life was like having 'dad' being "Maynard in the Morning" (he had 8 kids and step-kids). Instead, it's full of Dave Maynard stories of some of the stars he has met over the years...and politicians, and some of the recipes, anecdotes and travels. In that regard it was enjoyable. They are all told in "Dave Maynard Fashion"...so you can hear his voice, wit and style as you read the book. One thing I will say about Dave Maynard's career....after being the "odd man out" and put on the overnight...he came roaring back full force as "Maynard in the Morning". Apparently Westinghouse at that point saw him as expendable and put him on the overnight and wait for him to leave........and it's amazing they changed their mind and then built the station round him! It's not often that a station (or ownership) is known to change their views on something or someone. (WBZ has done so on 3 occaisions I know...with the Brudnoy/Snyder incident...the Leveille/Grayson move, and their change of opinion on Dave Maynard.) And boy did they promote the heck out of him! I always thought those TV spots were silly and hokey....but I guess they did the trick! The station spent a lot of time and energy promoting Maynard in the Morning. (Having Larry Glick as the late night recycle into AM drive didn't hurt either! Last thing they listened to at night...the first thing they heard in the morning when they woke up.) http://www.amazon.com/The-Dave-Maynard-Spin/dp/0978797485 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 17 03:45:40 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 03:45:40 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If my memory banks are still intact I believe WBZ moved Dave to overnights in late 1978. Westinghouse hated to fire people back then - they hoped they would quit. Best example was Streeter Stuart who they put overnight and he LOVED it and it allowed him to open a health food store in Belmont. I got to know Dave in my teens as he had a summer cottage next to where my parents in Onset ( Buzzards Bay ) - he was a nice guy with no ego. What I find fascinating is that years later there is no love for *Carl deSuze. The man did morning drive for 40 years and Jess Cain could not topple him. * * * *Today Cain is remembered fondly and deSuze is totally forgotten.* On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Don wrote: > > Has anyone read this book about Dave Maynard? > > I just finished it. I was a bit dissappointed as I was hoping for some of > his insights into broadcasting, his career, Westinghouse, dealing with the > different brass over the years at WBZ, and to what he attributed his folksy > success, his move to overnights, his move of Community Auditions from WBZ > to > WCVB, and maybe what his personal and family life was like having 'dad' > being "Maynard in the Morning" (he had 8 kids and step-kids). > > Instead, it's full of Dave Maynard stories of some of the stars he has met > over the years...and politicians, and some of the recipes, anecdotes and > travels. > > In that regard it was enjoyable. They are all told in "Dave Maynard > Fashion"...so you can hear his voice, wit and style as you read the book. > > One thing I will say about Dave Maynard's career....after being the "odd > man > out" and put on the overnight...he came roaring back full force as "Maynard > in the Morning". Apparently Westinghouse at that point saw him as > expendable and put him on the overnight and wait for him to > leave........and it's > amazing they changed their mind and then built the station round him! It's > not often that a station (or ownership) is known to change their views on > something or someone. (WBZ has done so on 3 occaisions I know...with the > Brudnoy/Snyder incident...the Leveille/Grayson move, and their change of > opinion on Dave Maynard.) > > And boy did they promote the heck out of him! > > I always thought those TV spots were silly and hokey....but I guess they > did > the trick! The station spent a lot of time and energy promoting Maynard in > the Morning. (Having Larry Glick as the late night recycle into AM drive > didn't hurt either! Last thing they listened to at night...the first thing > they heard in the morning when they woke up.) > > > http://www.amazon.com/The-**Dave-Maynard-Spin/dp/**0978797485 > > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Sep 17 08:31:38 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:31:38 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008001cd94d0$660a6c80$321f4580$@ma@comcast.net> I was also disappointed with the book, for the same reasons you outlined. I was expecting an insider's view of life at WBZ, and it was much more oriented toward the celebrities he met over the course of his career. I guess that point of view would be more interesting to the general reader, though, which is probably why she took that approach. Maybe in the 2nd edition she can add a chapter for us radio geeks :) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:53 PM To: B-R-I Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books Has anyone read this book about Dave Maynard? I just finished it. I was a bit dissappointed as I was hoping for some of his insights into broadcasting, his career, Westinghouse, dealing with the different brass over the years at WBZ, and to what he attributed his folksy success, his move to overnights, his move of Community Auditions from WBZ to WCVB, and maybe what his personal and family life was like having 'dad' being "Maynard in the Morning" (he had 8 kids and step-kids). Instead, it's full of Dave Maynard stories of some of the stars he has met over the years...and politicians, and some of the recipes, anecdotes and travels. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 14:56:51 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:56:51 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485:Amazon.com: Books References: Message-ID: <58358F8FA62E489D89DA93B5B61543D5@s20035> > Westinghouse hated to fire people back then - they hoped they would quit. I was told that the AFTRA contract would require a payout, so they would leave people on the overnight shift to fallow. I think the original URL I included got munged. Here's another try: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0978797485/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_Yi3vqb18KTYGR From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Sep 17 12:29:09 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:29:09 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485:Amazon.com: Books References: Message-ID: <00FEC2E83B3043F6A75EF935713D74E1@YOURbcbbe822ed> The date is correct. I was also put on overnights doing news for Dave because G.M. Bill Cusack was angry because of falling rating. Why he picked us is still a mystery. When he got canned because of an alleged affair with a staffer (Bill was married to Don McGannon's daughter, Chairman of Group W...not a smart career move), the much feared Bill Hartman came on board. He liked me a lot and the next thing I knew I was morning drive reporter and replacement anchor for Gary. Strange world broadcasting, but it is still show business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Don" Cc: "B-R-I" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:45 AM Subject: Re: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485:Amazon.com: Books > If my memory banks are still intact I believe WBZ moved Dave to overnights > in late 1978. > > Westinghouse hated to fire people back then - they hoped they would quit. > Best example was Streeter Stuart who they put overnight and he LOVED it > and > it allowed him to open a health food store in Belmont. > > I got to know Dave in my teens as he had a summer cottage next to where my > parents in Onset ( Buzzards Bay ) - he was a nice guy with no ego. > > What I find fascinating is that years later there is no love for *Carl > deSuze. The man did morning drive for 40 years and Jess Cain could not > topple him. > * > * > * > *Today Cain is remembered fondly and deSuze is totally forgotten.* > > > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Don wrote: > >> >> Has anyone read this book about Dave Maynard? >> >> I just finished it. I was a bit dissappointed as I was hoping for some >> of >> his insights into broadcasting, his career, Westinghouse, dealing with >> the >> different brass over the years at WBZ, and to what he attributed his >> folksy >> success, his move to overnights, his move of Community Auditions from WBZ >> to >> WCVB, and maybe what his personal and family life was like having 'dad' >> being "Maynard in the Morning" (he had 8 kids and step-kids). >> >> Instead, it's full of Dave Maynard stories of some of the stars he has >> met >> over the years...and politicians, and some of the recipes, anecdotes and >> travels. >> >> In that regard it was enjoyable. They are all told in "Dave Maynard >> Fashion"...so you can hear his voice, wit and style as you read the book. >> >> One thing I will say about Dave Maynard's career....after being the "odd >> man >> out" and put on the overnight...he came roaring back full force as >> "Maynard >> in the Morning". Apparently Westinghouse at that point saw him as >> expendable and put him on the overnight and wait for him to >> leave........and it's >> amazing they changed their mind and then built the station round him! >> It's >> not often that a station (or ownership) is known to change their views on >> something or someone. (WBZ has done so on 3 occaisions I know...with the >> Brudnoy/Snyder incident...the Leveille/Grayson move, and their change of >> opinion on Dave Maynard.) >> >> And boy did they promote the heck out of him! >> >> I always thought those TV spots were silly and hokey....but I guess they >> did >> the trick! The station spent a lot of time and energy promoting Maynard >> in >> the Morning. (Having Larry Glick as the late night recycle into AM drive >> didn't hurt either! Last thing they listened to at night...the first >> thing >> they heard in the morning when they woke up.) >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/The-**Dave-Maynard-Spin/dp/**0978797485 >> >> >> > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Sep 18 01:22:00 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:22:00 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505804F8.1020206@attorneyross.com> On 9/17/2012 3:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > What I find fascinating is that years later there is no love for *Carl > deSuze. The man did morning drive for 40 years and Jess Cain could not > topple him. > * > * > * > *Today Cain is remembered fondly and deSuze is totally forgotten.* Funny, I remember him. I even remember him doing a succession of TV shows for children on Channel 4, with a canine hand-puppet named "Popo." They were part of the set of weekday shows (one for each day of the week) that followed Howdy Doody. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 02:53:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:53:34 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: <505804F8.1020206@attorneyross.com> References: <505804F8.1020206@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe We all remember deSuze but did he do anything that was memorable? Cain was brilliant and when Blair bought WHDH and went soft-Top 40 the boomers finally understood why their parents loved Cain. Pudge Flynn claims Jess did this in ONE TAKE as he remembered a song called 'Shoutin' Liza Trombone' and it all came together. http://staffannouncer.com/blog/audio/yazsong.mp3 By September of 1967 not only was WHDH playing the song but so was WBZ, WRKO and WMEX. They never mentioned Jess's name but that is when Red Sox Nation was born. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:22 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 9/17/2012 3:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> What I find fascinating is that years later there is no love for *Carl >> >> deSuze. The man did morning drive for 40 years and Jess Cain could not >> topple him. >> * >> * >> * >> *Today Cain is remembered fondly and deSuze is totally forgotten.* > > > Funny, I remember him. I even remember him doing a succession of TV shows for children on Channel 4, with a canine hand-puppet named "Popo." They were part of the set of weekday shows (one for each day of the week) that followed Howdy Doody. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Sep 18 06:30:14 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:30:14 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: References: <505804F8.1020206@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120918061610.03b7a370@plymouthcolony.net> At 02:53 AM 9/18/2012, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Pudge Flynn claims Jess did this in ONE TAKE as he remembered a song called >'Shoutin' Liza Trombone' and it all came together. I have often heard over the decades that Jess did YazSong in one take. >They never mentioned Jess's name but that is when Red Sox >Nation was born. That tune is a founding document of Red Sox Nation, and was included on the LP "The Impossible Dream: The Story Of The 1967 Boston Red Sox," which was a WHDH radio special transferred to vinyl from the stations master of the program. I still own my copy, purchased when it was issued, as well as my copy of "Havlicek Stole the Ball," which commemorates the Celtics' first 8 championships, from 56/57 to 65/66. Both were issued by Fleetwood Records, and the latter was their first foray into sports records. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:30:00 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:30:00 -0400 Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 Message-ID: via Boston Sports Media watch http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/#! >>In a long-rumored move, Entercom radio announced this afternoon that programming on 850 AM will switch to all ESPN radio beginning on October 5th. The station will carry the full lineup of ESPN Radio programming. Also announced was a tighter integration with ESPNBoston.com, the audio stream for WEEI 93.7 FM will be available through ESPNBoston.com and ESPNBoston?s video player will power WEEI?s video player with content from ESPN. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:08:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:08:36 -0400 Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Obviously they were simply waiting for baseball to end. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > via Boston Sports Media watch > > http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/#! > > >>In a long-rumored move, Entercom radio announced this afternoon that > programming on 850 AM will switch to all ESPN radio beginning on October > 5th. The station will carry the full lineup of ESPN Radio programming. > Also announced was a tighter integration with ESPNBoston.com, the > audio stream for WEEI 93.7 FM will be available through ESPNBoston.com > and ESPNBoston?s video player will power WEEI?s video player with > content from ESPN. > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:13:13 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:13:13 -0400 Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5058D5D9.4060609@gmail.com> On 9/18/2012 4:08 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Obviously they were simply waiting for baseball to end. > It's sorta like saying to the old WHDH all over again. But we knew it was just a matter of time. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:41:26 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:41:26 -0400 Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 In-Reply-To: <5058D5D9.4060609@gmail.com> References: <5058D5D9.4060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Baseball will not end. Only the Red Sox will, of course (but I know what you mean!) A couple days back the Red Sox were officially mathematically eliminated. Playoff games will air on 850 (for those other teams) and I would think 93.7 would pick up some, especially the World Series. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > On 9/18/2012 4:08 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> Obviously they were simply waiting for baseball to end. >> > > It's sorta like saying to the old WHDH all over again. But we knew it was > just a matter of time. > > Bill O'Neill From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Sep 18 17:13:05 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5058D5D9.4060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1348002785.26282.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob wrote: >Baseball will not end. Only the Red Sox will, of course (but I know >what you mean!)? A couple days back the Red Sox were officially >mathematically eliminated. Playoff games will air on 850 (for those >other teams) and I would think 93.7 would pick up some, especially the >World Series. I also wonder what else may air on 850. Sure, ESPN will want the bulk of its programming cleared, but Entercom does have an opportunity to lease out nights for other sporting events (BU or BC hockey, etc.). I'm assuming BC basketball remains on 93.7 when there is no conflict. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 19 00:06:21 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:06:21 -0400 Subject: The Dave Maynard Spin: Dave Maynard, Suzan Franks: 9780978797485: Amazon.com: Books In-Reply-To: References: <505804F8.1020206@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <505944BD.1070201@attorneyross.com> On 9/18/2012 2:53 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > We all remember deSuze but did he do anything that was memorable? Well, those shows were memorable for me! Sometime around 1980 I had an intern in my office who had written a forthcoming book on early television. I was telling him about the "Uncle Carl" shows, and he wondered if that were Carl deSuze. So one day, timing the call for just when he finished his show, I called WBZ and asked for him. I immediately recognized his voice when he came on the phone and said, "Now there's a familiar voice," and he said "Thank you. I asked him my question, and he said that he indeed was "Uncle Carl" on those shows. And he went on for awhile reminiscing, telling me a lot that I didn't know about related work that he had done on radio before the "Uncle Carl" TV shows. When we were done, and I thanked him, he said that he had enjoyed it. I always thought he was a class act. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 19 00:08:24 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:08:24 -0400 Subject: WEEI 850 to all ESPN on Oct 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5058D5D9.4060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50594538.2090407@attorneyross.com> On 9/18/2012 4:41 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Baseball will not end. Only the Red Sox will, of course (but I know > what you mean!) A couple days back the Red Sox were officially > mathematically eliminated. Playoff games will air on 850 (for those > other teams) and I would think 93.7 would pick up some, especially the > World Series. Are they doing separate programs on AM and FM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Sep 10 13:53:46 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:53:46 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing Message-ID: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> As of Sunday, September 9th, WCVB-TV virtual channel 5.1 was testing virtual channel 5.2, Me TV. I have an old CRT set in my dining and kitchen area I use almost solely on Sunday mornings to watch the gabfest on ABC-TV at 10:00 am (not simulcast on WMUR-TV actual channel 9 which I pick up better than channel 5.1). I have a government-subsidized digital-to-analog box and an indoor powered allegedly rotatable antenna by Radio Shack (it greatly resembles the Starship Enterprise). Usually when I clicked on channel 5, even during the period they were using the auxiliary antenna following the antenna malfunction last April, it just displayed channel 5.1. Yesterday, it showed 5.1 and 5.2. When I advanced to 5.2, there was a color-bar style test pattern and a sine wave tone. It's not a big deal; I suspect that nothing will change at Comcast which feeds my big-screen TV in the living room. I assume they'll keep Me TV from channel 9. If WMFP-TV virtial 62 adds a new subchannel offering, will Comcast put that somewhere else, or ignore it? From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Sep 20 13:51:41 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:51:41 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> References: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> Message-ID: Are there still "must carry" rules for cable, and do they apply to digital sub-channels? Comcast does carry a lot of the sub-channels (e.g., WGBX), but are they required to carry all the sub-channels from all the stations in a given area? As of Sunday, September 9th, WCVB-TV virtual channel 5.1 was testing virtual channel 5.2, Me TV. I have an old CRT set in my dining and kitchen area I use almost solely on Sunday mornings to watch the gabfest on ABC-TV at 10:00 am (not simulcast on WMUR-TV actual channel 9 which I pick up better than channel 5.1). I have a government-subsidized digital-to-analog box and an indoor powered allegedly rotatable antenna by Radio Shack (it greatly resembles the Starship Enterprise). Usually when I clicked on channel 5, even during the period they were using the auxiliary antenna following the antenna malfunction last April, it just displayed channel 5.1. Yesterday, it showed 5.1 and 5.2. When I advanced to 5.2, there was a color-bar style test pattern and a sine wave tone. It's not a big deal; I suspect that nothing will change at Comcast which feeds my big-screen TV in the living room. I assume they'll keep Me TV from channel 9. If WMFP-TV virtial 62 adds a new subchannel offering, will Comcast put that somewhere else, or ignore it? From mward@iname.com Thu Sep 20 16:04:39 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:04:39 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: References: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > Are there still "must carry" rules for cable, and do they apply to digital > sub-channels? Comcast does carry a lot of the sub-channels (e.g., WGBX), > but > are they required to carry all the sub-channels from all the stations in a > given area? > There is no must carry for subchannels. They usually end up getting cable carriage as a result of a retransmission deal with the parent station. Here in Cleveland, Time Warner Cable dropped This TV as soon as WUAB/43 dropped it, and This TV never came back when WBNX/55 picked it up for 55.3. Instead, TWC added Bounce TV, which replaced This TV on 43.2... From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 15:26:36 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: References: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1348169196.75461.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Comcast is putting 5.2 on channel 292. No word on what WMFP will be running. RTV will remain on 62.2 for now. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Sep 20 16:12:08 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:12:08 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: <20120920195811.77270@gmx.com> References: <20120920195811.77270@gmx.com> Message-ID: That's a shame. I prefer Channel 11 to Channel 2 because they are more restrained in their fund-raising efforts. If I see "Celtic Women" or any of the "Three Tenors" one more time I am going to scream. For some reason, Comcast carries "on demand" offerings of PBS shows from Channel 11 under "news and info", but I don't think they do the same for Channel 2. I wonder if the announcement you received about dropping Channel 11 applies to all Comcast towns: I live within the normal service contour of the Channel 11 transmitter, but maybe you don't and they don't have to carry it in your town. That is why I was wondering about whether the "must carry" rules were still in effect. _____ From: Laurence Glavin [mailto:lglavin@mail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:58 PM To: Jim Hall; boston-radio-interest Subject: RE: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing Comcast must be of two minds on how to handle nearly identical over-the-air channels. My latest bill offers the information that the two NHPTV channels they offer: channel 11.1 and 11.2 on 11 and 296 will go away shortly. No info on what will replace them if anything. Nonetheless, WMUR-TV's channel 9 ota & cable slot will apparently stay put as they have since long before Comcast bought the cable provider for the Merrimack Valley. NHPTV will similarly duplicate WGBH-TV almost all the time, but with a few variations. It's a puzzlement. From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Sep 20 16:25:54 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:25:54 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos Message-ID: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> WCVB is running a new set of promos "When you see 5"...but are they no longer on Channel 5? With the move to digital aren't all the Boston stations in the UHF band now? So rather than promoting their former dial location wouldn't it make more sense to promote them by callsign. I realize that most cable systems still carry them on Channel 5 (or 805 for Comcast Digital) but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Gary Francis From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Sep 20 17:14:46 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:14:46 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: References: <20120920195811.77270@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20571.34630.163773.489002@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > "news and info", but I don't think they do the same for Channel 2. I wonder > if the announcement you received about dropping Channel 11 applies to all > Comcast towns: It applies to all Comcast systems in Massachusetts, and the reverse change (dropping WGBH and WGBX) happens on Comcast systems in New Hampshire. This is a result of the deal by which WGBH is taking over programming and master control operation (but not management) of NHPTV. NHPTV is going to be running the same schedule as WGBH now, except for a minimal set of local programming, and NHPTV Explore will be more like one of the standard PBS subchannel offerings. (I forget whether it will be like Create or like World -- I think the former.) NHPTV sent out an insert in the latest mailing to all members in Massachusetts saying that this would happen, and Scott mentioned it in NERW a few months ago when the deal was announced. I always preferred to support NHPTV rather than WGBH since I felt that NHPTV would actually use the money in ways that I wanted to support, rather than self-aggrandizement. But when the State of New Hampshire cut off all funding for NHPTV, they were left with few options other than to radically cut costs. The deal with WGBH includes the changes to cable carriage and also pressuring NHPTV members in Massachusetts to give money to WGBH instead. I think I'll just stop giving money to public television altogether. -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Sep 20 17:07:56 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:07:56 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos In-Reply-To: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> References: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Anyone with a DTV over the air tuner tunes to 5.1 to see WCVB. The only time the average person sees 20 is the one time they scan for local channels. 5 makes a LOT of sense still. Jeff Lehmann On Sep 20, 2012, at 4:25 PM, "Gary's Ice Cream" wrote: > WCVB is running a new set of promos "When you see 5"...but are they no > longer on Channel 5? With the move to digital aren't all the Boston > stations in the UHF band now? So rather than promoting their former dial > location wouldn't it make more sense to promote them by callsign. I realize > that most cable systems still carry them on Channel 5 (or 805 for Comcast > Digital) but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > > > > Gary Francis > > From sids1045@aol.com Thu Sep 20 17:29:13 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:29:13 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos In-Reply-To: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> References: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: WCVB is running a new set of promos "When you see 5"...but are they no > longer on Channel 5? With the move to digital aren't all the Boston > stations in the UHF band now? So rather than promoting their former dial > location wouldn't it make more sense to promote them by callsign. I realize > that most cable systems still carry them on Channel 5 (or 805 for Comcast > Digital) but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me." Their PSIP (read: virtual channel)...the channel number that displays on the TV...is still 5. The FCC was not about to face the screaming that would have ensued had stations, which had invested decades and many dollars in promoting their channel numbers, been forced to give that up. From scott@fybush.com Thu Sep 20 19:06:42 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:06:42 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos In-Reply-To: References: <043401cd976e$23838130$6a8a8390$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <505BA182.4020306@fybush.com> On 9/20/2012 5:07 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Anyone with a DTV over the air tuner tunes to 5.1 to see WCVB. The > only time the average person sees 20 is the one time they scan for > local channels. And even then, they never see "20" unless they happen to put their converter box in manual tune mode. > 5 makes a LOT of sense still. Indeed it does. One can argue that whether it's on the old 76-82 MHz channel or the current 506-512 MHz transmitter, WCVB effectively *is* on "channel 5." From lsochrin@rcn.com Thu Sep 20 22:45:01 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:45:01 -0400 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. Message-ID: I was at a meeting tonight about the history of a religious sanctuary when someone there said that he had a reel-to-reel videotape taken there with at his wedding using an old system before the advent of betamax, VHS, other cart systems. The architects would like to see what it looked like at that point, before a major redesign, but he's not been able to find a way to convert the tape to something useful., be it a DVD or some other solution. It occurred to me that one of you guys might know of an easy/cheap or free way to get that done? Thanks! From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 21 02:15:43 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:15:43 -0400 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First need to know if we are talking one inch tape or two. I suspect it would be one inch helical that they have. I know people who own the machines who happily will convert to digital at no charge - but everything hinges on what machine it was recorded on in the first place. On old 2 inch quad - RCA and Ampex machines could playback each other. The later helical machines however were another story. However as a rule helical tapes are easy to salvage - quadruplex tapes are much trickier as the heads on the VTR can destroy the oxcide of an older 2 inch tape. I have had the joy of saving a 1967 Red Sox game tape and the sorrow of losing a 1966 Bruins game. The VTR's of the late 50's into the early 70's were the most complex equipment in the history of broadcasting. Sadly very few tapes before 1972 have survived - the Sony U-Matic (3/4 inch format) changed everything from 1971 on. 2 inch tape was expensive and limited to about 40 passes on a machine. A one hour reel cost $300 in 1969 ($1900 today) - NBC erased virtually everything from the 60's in NY ( most of Carson's first 10 years are lost ) Most of what survives from TV in the 60's are *Goodson*-*Todman game shows as they kept everything in case there was another game show scandal. * On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > I was at a meeting tonight about the history of a religious sanctuary when > someone there said that he had a reel-to-reel videotape taken there with at > his wedding using an old system before the advent of betamax, VHS, other > cart systems. The architects would like to see what it looked like at > that point, before a major redesign, but he's not been able to find a way > to convert the tape to something useful., be it a DVD or some other > solution. It occurred to me that one of you guys might know of an > easy/cheap or free way to get that done? Thanks! > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Sep 21 01:38:01 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:38:01 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing In-Reply-To: <1348169196.75461.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120910175346.77290@gmx.com> <1348169196.75461.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <505BFD39.6020109@gabrielmass.com> At 1:37 am Friday, 5.2 is now showing infomercials in parallel with 5.1. At the moment both are in 4x3 format. --rc From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 21 03:28:37 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:28:37 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk Message-ID: WGBH has a little firestorm developing as they get ready to take over WENH (11) in Durham, NH. Since cable TV hit the Boston market WENH (11) has always been carried and many in the Boston area have given $$$$ support as they do not beg as shamefully as WGBH does. Many in the area sent checks to WENH instead of WGBH. For the past 20 years one of the most watched WENH programs in Boston has been Lawrence Welk reruns on Saturday nights. Now apparently WENH will vanish from Comcast in all of Mass ( which will not play well in the Merrimack Valley ) but now it causes a problem for WGBH - do they clear Welk now on either 2 or 44? WGBH never had to deal with Welk knowing that WENH via cable made it available. The paradox is that Welk generated significant donations to NHPTV. The reality is there are many older retired folks with checkbooks that will be upset if Welk vanishes. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Sep 21 09:04:38 2012 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:04:38 +0000 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B599B65@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> I have to think that was done on a helical scan machine--they were everywhere in the early 70's, including my elementary school! From peterwmurray@gmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:02:36 2012 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:02:36 -0400 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry- It may be helpful to talk with Nan Rubin and other folks working to preserve old Public Television archives, if this is of high importance... http://www.thirteen.org/ptvdigitalarchive/contact-us/ -Peter On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > I was at a meeting tonight about the history of a religious sanctuary when someone there said that he had a reel-to-reel videotape taken there with at his wedding using an old system before the advent of betamax, VHS, other cart systems. The architects would like to see what it looked like at that point, before a major redesign, but he's not been able to find a way to convert the tape to something useful., be it a DVD or some other solution. It occurred to me that one of you guys might know of an easy/cheap or free way to get that done? Thanks! From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:09:02 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:09:02 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing Message-ID: <505C830E.9060806@Gmail.com> The Glavinator wrote, G> As of Sunday, September 9th, WCVB-TV virtual channel 5.1 G> was testing virtual channel 5.2, Me TV. Actually they started sometime on that Friday (Sept. 7), between about 4:30-7:30pm. P=) Richard Chonak wrote, C> At 1:37 am Friday, 5.2 is now showing infomercials in C> parallel with 5.1. C> At the moment both are in 4x3 format. The actual 5.1 link-up was sometime before 4:45pm yesterday (Thu) afternoon. They *were* //5.1 for at least a couple of hr.s *last* Thursday afternoon, but were back to the ?cb slide by 8pm. One interesting quirk: While their regular PSIP ID is ?MeTV?, during last Thursday?s 5.1//, they ID-ed as ?WCVB 5?, and now??again //5.1??they are ID-ing as ?WCVB-DT? (but broadcasting in cropped 4:3 SD), while 5.1 IDs as just ?WCVB? but is 16:9 HD! They reportedly plan to start MeTV on Monday, October 1st. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Sep 21 16:50:28 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:50:28 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WGBH has a little firestorm developing as they get ready to take over WENH > (11) in Durham, NH. > > Since cable TV hit the Boston market WENH (11) has always been carried and > many in the Boston area have given $$$$ support as they do not beg as > shamefully as WGBH does. Many in the area sent checks to WENH instead of > WGBH. I?m guessing this also means that ?Beat The Press? will disappear for NH Comcast Customers? I?m quite glad at this point that I have Dish Network, which treats the entire Boston market as one entity. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:24:59 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:24:59 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Relax Larry - WENH will pick up Greater Boston http://images.connect.wgbh.org/Web/WGBH3rdInstance/%7B22ff4de3-c0fa-4537-a3cf-9564b132f674%7D_NHPTV_PRIME_Schedule.pdf Welk will move to the sub channel NH Explore. I know a lot of people who won't give WGBH a dime and support WENH. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > WGBH has a little firestorm developing as they get ready to take over > WENH > > (11) in Durham, NH. > > > > Since cable TV hit the Boston market WENH (11) has always been carried > and > > many in the Boston area have given $$$$ support as they do not beg as > > shamefully as WGBH does. Many in the area sent checks to WENH instead of > > WGBH. > > I?m guessing this also means that ?Beat The Press? will disappear for NH > Comcast Customers? I?m quite glad at this point that I have Dish Network, > which treats the entire Boston market as one entity. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Sep 21 17:59:41 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348264781.8690.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: > For the past 20 years one of the most watched WENH programs in Boston has > been Lawrence Welk reruns on Saturday nights. Now apparently WENH will > vanish from Comcast in all of Mass ( which will not play well in the > Merrimack Valley ) but now it causes a problem for WGBH - do they clear > Welk now on either 2 or 44? > > WGBH never had to deal with Welk knowing that WENH via cable made it > available. The paradox is that Welk generated significant donations to > NHPTV. > > The reality is there are many older retired folks with checkbooks that will > be upset if Welk vanishes. My mom is one of those people; she's never donated to Channel 2 and has donated repeatedly to Channel 11. Six at night on Saturdays, we know she has the next hour blocked out. I haven't had the heart to tell her what's about to happen. I do wonder if Channels 2/44 see Lawrence Welk as too "low brow" for their audiences. What is 44 airing on Saturday nights nowadays? It's been years since I watched 44 at all, but outside of the state legislature, it seemed to be mostly PBS reruns (and maybe BBC shows?). From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Sep 21 20:10:22 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:10:22 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > I?m guessing this also means that ?Beat The Press? will disappear for > NH Comcast Customers? I?m quite glad at this point that I have Dish | > Network, which treats the entire Boston market as one entity. Now if only they would carry TV38 in HD! -Bob From brscomm@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 20:39:48 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:39:48 -0500 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. In-Reply-To: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B599B65@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> References: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B599B65@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> Message-ID: <00ff01cd985a$c596b7c0$50c42740$@yahoo.com> My high school had a couple Ampex 2" color and 1" B&W back in '69 along with a bunch of Shibaden helical scan VTR's on carts with cameras. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Moisan Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:05 AM To: Boston Radio Interest (boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org) Subject: RE: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. I have to think that was done on a helical scan machine--they were everywhere in the early 70's, including my elementary school! From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 22 01:12:52 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:12:52 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505D48D4.7050209@attorneyross.com> On 9/21/2012 3:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WGBH has a little firestorm developing as they get ready to take over WENH > (11) in Durham, NH. > > Since cable TV hit the Boston market WENH (11) has always been carried and > many in the Boston area have given $$$$ support as they do not beg as > shamefully as WGBH does. Many in the area sent checks to WENH instead of > WGBH. I don't know about Boston, but back in the 1980s, when Boston's and Brookline's cable systems were run by Cablevision, the Selectman who was in charge of negotiations with Cablevision told me at one time that Cablevision people floated the idea of eliminating Channel 11 from their system. The Selectman pointed out to him that Channel 11 carried Dr. Who at the time, and the biggest Dr. Who fan in Brookline was the person who, among other hats he wore, was the town's Cable TV ombudsman and staffed the Cable Monitoring Committee. My Selectman friend was convinced that this was the reason Channel 11 was still on Brookline cable. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From markwats@comcast.net Sun Sep 23 09:24:03 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:24:03 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk References: <1348264781.8690.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6543CF61A21049C7A43CB5C88DEAD1C1@MarkOTS3> Sean Smyth wrote: > My mom is one of those people; she's never donated to Channel 2 and has > donated repeatedly to Channel 11. Six at night on Saturdays, we know she > has the next hour blocked out. I haven't had the heart to tell her what's > about to happen. > > I do wonder if Channels 2/44 see Lawrence Welk as too "low brow" for their > audiences. What is 44 airing on Saturday nights nowadays? I don't know what Channel 44 airs Saturday nights, but if I'm home I occasionally tune in to Lawrence Welk on NHPTV. My parents never missed Welk when it originally aired and I remember watching with them. I agree if Channel 2 or 44 doesn't air the Welk shows they will certainly hear about it, both via phone calls/e-mails and in their "wallet" (folks not contributing). Another reason NHPTV will be missed on Comcast will be the several UNH hockey games they broadcast in season. I'm sure UNH alums/hockey fans in the Bay State will miss these broadcasts, if indeed they continue under this new arrangement with WGBH. Mark Watson From irw@well.com Sun Sep 23 11:06:50 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Paul Sullivan book Message-ID: <130197795.740.1348412810651.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> "Sully: The Words, Wit and Wisdom of Paul Sullivan," written by Patrick Cook, a former WBZ colleague. Mr. Cook is director of public affairs at Middlesex Community College. - Blaine From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Sun Sep 23 12:40:23 2012 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:40:23 +0000 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: <505D48D4.7050209@attorneyross.com> References: <505D48D4.7050209@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B5AAA5A@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> YES. Time-Warner discontinued Ch. 11. My brother and I, both Whovians--were PISSED! We both had a long, long discussion with the sales rep in our house about this. I believe 11 was quietly reinstated a few months after our rant. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Sun Sep 23 12:41:26 2012 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:41:26 +0000 Subject: Conversion of reel-to-reel videotape to DVD/CD, etc. In-Reply-To: <00ff01cd985a$c596b7c0$50c42740$@yahoo.com> References: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B599B65@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> <00ff01cd985a$c596b7c0$50c42740$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50293B5AAA74@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> I'd bet any money we had a Shibaden. I saw them EVERYWHERE. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Sep 23 15:09:02 2012 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk Message-ID: <21fa.64ed3868.3d90b84e@aol.com> I thoroughly enjoyed the couple of years that I worked for NHPTV in the 70's and early 80's and now it will soon be a lights out operation. After reading some of the posts on this subject who is responsible for programming Channel 11? NHPTV or GBH? Mike In a message dated 9/23/2012 12:01:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: Send Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list submissions to boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org You can reach the person managing the list at boston-radio-interest-owner@lists.BostonRadio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Boston-Radio-Interest digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk (Mark Watson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:24:03 -0400 From: "Mark Watson" To: "Sean Smyth" , "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk Message-ID: <6543CF61A21049C7A43CB5C88DEAD1C1@MarkOTS3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sean Smyth wrote: > My mom is one of those people; she's never donated to Channel 2 and has > donated repeatedly to Channel 11. Six at night on Saturdays, we know she > has the next hour blocked out. I haven't had the heart to tell her what's > about to happen. > > I do wonder if Channels 2/44 see Lawrence Welk as too "low brow" for their > audiences. What is 44 airing on Saturday nights nowadays? I don't know what Channel 44 airs Saturday nights, but if I'm home I occasionally tune in to Lawrence Welk on NHPTV. My parents never missed Welk when it originally aired and I remember watching with them. I agree if Channel 2 or 44 doesn't air the Welk shows they will certainly hear about it, both via phone calls/e-mails and in their "wallet" (folks not contributing). Another reason NHPTV will be missed on Comcast will be the several UNH hockey games they broadcast in season. I'm sure UNH alums/hockey fans in the Bay State will miss these broadcasts, if indeed they continue under this new arrangement with WGBH. Mark Watson ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest End of Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 237 ****************************************************** From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 23 23:14:23 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:14:23 -0400 Subject: WENH - WGBH and Lawrence Welk In-Reply-To: <6543CF61A21049C7A43CB5C88DEAD1C1@MarkOTS3> References: <1348264781.8690.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6543CF61A21049C7A43CB5C88DEAD1C1@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <505FD00F.8080506@attorneyross.com> On 9/23/2012 9:24 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > I don't know what Channel 44 airs Saturday nights, but if I'm home I > occasionally tune in to Lawrence Welk on NHPTV. My parents never > missed Welk when it originally aired and I remember watching with > them. I agree if Channel 2 or 44 doesn't air the Welk shows they will > certainly hear about it, both via phone calls/e-mails and in their > "wallet" (folks not contributing). > > Another reason NHPTV will be missed on Comcast will be the several UNH > hockey games they broadcast in season. I'm sure UNH alums/hockey fans > in the Bay State will miss these broadcasts, if indeed they continue > under this new arrangement with WGBH. I'll miss Agatha Christie's Poirot, which NHPTV usually shows on Saturday nights before Masterpiece Mystery. Not to be confused with H. Ross Poirot. ;-) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 24 18:07:59 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:07:59 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM Message-ID: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0919/DOC-316374A1.pdf He claims that only 20% of radio listening is from the AM band and for teens it is 10% He thinks anti-skywave antennas might be part of the solution which I interpert as if installed a station can stay on daytime power and pattern. He doesn't mention HD radio at all and frankly there is no good reason for HD to exist on the AM side. He also wants cross-ownership rules eliminated which is way overdue because with grandfathering and waivers the rules are political. From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 24 18:32:40 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:32:40 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012b01cd9aa4$8259ce10$870d6a30$@garysicecream.com> I disagree with the Commissioner on one major point - I am totally AGAINST any amount of foreign ownership of US broadcasters.. There should be an all-out ban on that. -Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:08 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0919/DOC-3163 74A1.pdf He claims that only 20% of radio listening is from the AM band and for teens it is 10% He thinks anti-skywave antennas might be part of the solution which I interpert as if installed a station can stay on daytime power and pattern. He doesn't mention HD radio at all and frankly there is no good reason for HD to exist on the AM side. He also wants cross-ownership rules eliminated which is way overdue because with grandfathering and waivers the rules are political. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Sep 20 16:19:39 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:19:39 -0400 Subject: Analog Antennas Removed From 350 Cedar Street, Needham Tower Message-ID: <20120920201940.77290@gmx.com> My travels a few days ago took me past the 350 Cedar Street, Needham TV/FM tower, the locus of a few changes by the folks who climb and repair such structures. The master DTV antenna on top, missing for lo these many months is back and apparently sending out the FCC-authorized full-power signals on virtual channels 2, 4, 5, 38 and 44. But as I gazed up at the tower from the traffic-stalled highway, I noticed that the long-standing VHF analog antennas for channels 2, 4 and 5 had been removed, perhaps as a side-job by the riggers while they were up there. I peeled off the highway for a closer look from the cemetery across the street, presumably 351 Cedar Street, and there's apparently nothing on the stick from where it narrows down above WKLB-FM 102.5 and the tippity-top except for the WYDN-TV 48/47 antenna. Won't they now have to put up new auxiliary antennas for actal channels 19, 20, 30, 39 and 43 in case the master antenna is fricaseed again? Oh, and now there appears to be room for another FM or two aside from WKLB if anbyone is interested. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Sep 20 15:58:11 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:58:11 -0400 Subject: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing Message-ID: <20120920195811.77270@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jim Hall >Sent: 09/20/12 01:51 PM >To: 'boston-radio-interest' >Subject: RE: WCVB-TV 5.2 Testing >Are there still "must carry" rules for cable, and do they apply to digital >sub-channels? Comcast does carry a lot of the sub-channels (e.g., WGBX), but >are they required to carry all the sub-channels from all the stations in a >given area? Comcast must be of two minds on how to handle nearly identical over-the-air channels. My latest bill offers the information that the two NHPTV channels they offer: channel 11.1 and 11.2 on 11 and 296 will go away shortly. No info on what will replace them if anything. Nonetheless, WMUR-TV's channel 9 ota & cable slot will apparently stay put as they have since long before Comcast bought the cable provider for the Merrimack Valley. NHPTV will similarly duplicate WGBH-TV almost all the time, but with a few variations. It's a puzzlement. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Sep 21 12:59:00 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos Message-ID: <20120921165900.77310@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Fybush >Sent: 09/20/12 07:06 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Channel 5 promos >On 9/20/2012 5:07 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Anyone with a DTV over the air tuner tunes to 5.1 to see WCVB. The > only time the average person sees 20 is the one time they scan for > local channels. >And even then, they never see "20" unless they happen to put their >converter box in manual tune mode. > 5 makes a LOT of sense still. >Indeed it does. One can argue that whether it's on the old 76-82 MHz >channel or the current 506-512 MHz transmitter, WCVB effectively *is* on >"channel 5." One thing I've been wondering about since the analog-to-digital switch: do sales reps for WBZ-TV, WCVB-TV or WHDH-TV promote their stations a still having the cachet and possible technical advantage of VHF transmission? (This goes for heritage VHF stations everywhere). Even cable systems for the most part put the VHF stations they carried on their over-the-air channel slots. People had to rewire their brains to rmember that UHF channel 38 was on cable channel 14, 56 on 12, 25 on 13, etc in eastern Massachusetts. A friend of mine who was a schoolteacher with summers off got a job as a vacation-time house sitter (also a dog sitter) in a suburb west of Boston. The local cable system had NO VHF station on its "right" channel, and even the UHFs were sited fairly high on the dial far away from their OTA channel numbers. From christie12@verizon.net Fri Sep 21 14:36:05 2012 From: christie12@verizon.net (John Christie) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:36:05 -0400 Subject: TV Indoor antennas Message-ID: <001601cd9827$f70419c0$e50c4d40$@verizon.net> I am blind and purchased a DTV Radio for the blind. This radio works like a digital TV accept that it doesn't have a screen and can only get over the air TV stations. I live in East Weymouth in an apartment where you can't get great reception. Could you recommend a high quality antenna which wouldn't have much assembling to it. The company that I bought the radio from recommends that I purchase the antenna from Radio Shack because you can return it if it doesn't work. Also, give me an estimate of the cost of the antenna. Thanks allot. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 25 01:28:02 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:28:02 -0400 Subject: Channel 5 promos In-Reply-To: <20120921165900.77310@gmx.com> References: <20120921165900.77310@gmx.com> Message-ID: The only channel in Boston that has played down their old analog number is WBZ-TV where the number 4 vanished a few years ago. 5, 7, and 25 still use the number - Channel 2 not so much. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Scott Fybush > >Sent: 09/20/12 07:06 PM > >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > >Subject: Re: Channel 5 promos > > >On 9/20/2012 5:07 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Anyone with a DTV over the > air tuner tunes to 5.1 to see WCVB. The > only time the average person sees > 20 is the one time they scan for > local channels. >And even then, they > never see "20" unless they happen to put their >converter box in manual > tune mode. > 5 makes a LOT of sense still. >Indeed it does. One can argue > that whether it's on the old 76-82 MHz >channel or the current 506-512 MHz > transmitter, WCVB effectively *is* on >"channel 5." > > > > One thing I've been wondering about since the analog-to-digital switch: > do sales reps for WBZ-TV, WCVB-TV or > WHDH-TV promote their stations a still having the cachet and possible > technical advantage of VHF transmission? > (This goes for heritage VHF stations everywhere). Even cable systems for > the most part put the VHF stations they carried on > their over-the-air channel slots. People had to rewire their brains to > rmember that UHF channel 38 was on cable channel > 14, 56 on 12, 25 on 13, etc in eastern Massachusetts. A friend of mine > who was a schoolteacher with summers off > got a job as a vacation-time house sitter (also a dog sitter) in a suburb > west of Boston. The local cable system had NO VHF station > on its "right" channel, and even the UHFs were sited fairly high on the > dial far away from their OTA channel numbers. > From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Sep 25 00:58:40 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:58:40 -0400 Subject: TV Indoor antennas In-Reply-To: <001601cd9827$f70419c0$e50c4d40$@verizon.net> References: <001601cd9827$f70419c0$e50c4d40$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <50613A00.6080904@gabrielmass.com> HI, John! Here, about 10 miles north of Boston, I'm getting decent over-the-air reception with a Radio Shack indoor antenna, model 15-246. It connects to my TV with a coaxial cable. The only trick is that sometimes I have to point it in different directions to get better results for one station or another. Good luck! --R.C. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 26 03:41:15 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:41:15 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) Message-ID: After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue? https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Sep 26 09:07:48 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plum TV coming to WMFP Message-ID: <1348664868.7105.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It's a lifestyle channel. I can't understand why they wouldn't just move RTV back to the main channel. http://plumtv.com/ From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Sep 26 09:12:48 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:12:48 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:41 AM 9/26/2012, Kevin Vahey wrote: >After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have >no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue? > >https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg I don't, but I remember seeing them as a boy. When we went into the city on the southeast expressway I think they were a little to the west when we were somewhere near Columbia Point. The only old topo maps that I have access to are the 1903 survey (reprinted 1942) of the Boston 15 minute quad, and the 1943 survey (reprinted 1946, revised 1949 and reprinted 1950) of the Boston South 7.5 minute quad. I would have expected the latter to show them south of South Bay, but it does not. I may be wrong, though - I'm trying to dredge up memories from about half a century ago. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From sids1045@aol.com Wed Sep 26 10:41:07 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <8CF6A0C187C1DFB-1BCC-42173@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> "After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have>no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue?>>https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg" Note the location...right next to the Custom House. Might they be an FCC monitoring station? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Sep 26 12:24:24 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:24:24 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20579.11320.479232.495929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0919/DOC-316374A1.pdf > He claims that only 20% of radio listening is from the AM band and for > teens it is 10% > He thinks anti-skywave antennas might be part of the solution which I > interpert as if installed a station can stay on daytime power and pattern. Does he know anything about either physics or RF engineering? (It would be a pleasant surprise, since the FCC in recent decades has been dominated by lawyers who used to work for telephone companies.) > He also wants cross-ownership rules eliminated which is way overdue because > with grandfathering and waivers the rules are political. I have no idea how the cross-ownership restrictions have survived court scrutiny this long. -GAWollman From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Sep 26 14:44:55 2012 From: john@minutemancomm.com (john@minutemancomm.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:44:55 -0400 Subject: Kevin Barbare WAAF Message-ID: <20120926144455.ipeo738u6qscow4k@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Hi Mark, I guess Kevin Barbare got let go from the Hillman Morning Show right after the show yesterday. Not sure how long he was there but ever since I did any of thier remotes which I think would be over 15 years?? No idea if it was a money thing or something else. John From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Sep 26 18:25:44 2012 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:25:44 -0400 Subject: Kevin Barbare WAAF In-Reply-To: <20120926144455.ipeo738u6qscow4k@hostingmail.earthlink.net> References: <20120926144455.ipeo738u6qscow4k@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7BE4DDF7-ED5D-4C9D-9916-F6E66DDB1347@minutemancomm.com> I'm sorry I didn't mean to send that to this list. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Sep 26 20:41:01 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:41:01 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> <8CF6A0C187C1DFB-1BCC-42173@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6752677FDD1747398D3276CC451777CE@SatU205S5044> If memory serves, and, alas, it often does not, I heard back when those towers still existed that they were used to communicate with ships in Mass Bay. I believe that the towers WERE connected with some US government agency--probably one whose Boston offices were or had been in the Custom House. Because the towers resembled an AM transmiting array, radio geeks (who weren't yet known as geeks back then) often asked about them. AFAIK, they never were related to a commercial radio broadcast station. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) "After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have>no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue?>>https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg" Note the location...right next to the Custom House. Might they be an FCC monitoring station? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 26 21:40:35 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:40:35 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: <6752677FDD1747398D3276CC451777CE@SatU205S5044> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> <8CF6A0C187C1DFB-1BCC-42173@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <6752677FDD1747398D3276CC451777CE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Peter George sent me the answer They were owned by United Fruit. http://donmoore.tripod.com/genbroad/utes/wbf.htm On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If memory serves, and, alas, it often does not, I heard back when those > towers still existed that they were used to communicate with ships in Mass > Bay. I believe that the towers WERE connected with some US government > agency--probably one whose Boston offices were or had been in the Custom > House. Because the towers resembled an AM transmiting array, radio geeks > (who weren't yet known as geeks back then) often asked about them. AFAIK, > they never were related to a commercial radio broadcast station. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" > To: **; > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) > > > > > "After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I > have>no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a > clue?>>https://sphotos-b.xx.**fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_** > 4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg > **" > > Note the location...right next to the Custom House. Might they be an FCC > monitoring station? > > From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Sep 26 23:30:55 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:30:55 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers 1956 Message-ID: <50B0D9113E2B4705A455613529E5F235@chrisHP> This topic was discussed in detail either here or on Radio Info within the past year, it is correct that the towers were ship to shore communication owned by United Fruit and I seem to remember the call letters were WBL. There is information on this station under United Fruit Ship to Shore radio on the internet . From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Sep 27 00:25:01 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:25:01 -0400 Subject: Great read Message-ID: While slumming in Dollar Tree a book caught my eye ?Right of the dial..... The rise of Clear Channel and the fall of commercial Radio?. This book is a great fast and enjoyable read, I came away with mixed feelings about Clear Channel. They started the company with intelligent business models (for those who believe commercial broadcasting is a business) that took seriously failing operations out of bankruptcy and turned them into very decent local operations. The industry disaster started with the insane idea of deregulation allowing one company to own more than one AM-FM-TV in a market. The US government, Broadcast mavens, Wall Street and Investment Bankers started looking at finite broadcast spectrum in the same light as a Walgreens, CVS or Rite Aide on every corner......as much as each local market can bare. Deregulation was like a snowball rolling down a mountain getting bigger as it goes picking up cars and houses along the way. These companies became so top heavy that they are themselves crushed under the weight and have to resort to destroying what they have just to stay alive. Years back I had an inkling that such ideas were a disastrous view of the future. When John Kluge sold Metromedia to a leveraged buyout led by several managers. Within a short period of time they had to cannibalize the properties to pay the notes leaving large debt and little of what they purchased. Excellent insight to 50?s birth of modern radio starting with the Gordon McLendon days lots of industry insight for $1.00 From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Sep 27 01:16:46 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Great read Message-ID: <6d5a8.552f2994.3d953b3e@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/2012 1:00:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chris2526@comcast.net writes: While slumming in Dollar Tree a book caught my eye ?Right of the dial..... The rise of Clear Channel and the fall of commercial Radio?. This book is a great fast and enjoyable read Yes, excellent book. But CC's intent from the very beginning was only one of the two reasons for radio: Community service and money-making. ---BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Sep 27 16:50:34 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:50:34 -0400 Subject: WNSH applies for 50 kW Message-ID: <8D11B0D1E6D04890A4AEC954890C395E@SatU205S5044> Speaking of stations that have, over the years, sounded particularly awful (my last post was about such a station), today's FCC actions indicate that WNSH has applied to increase its day power from 30 kW ND to 50 kW ND. There would be no other changes in facilities other than a minor correction to the geographic coordinates of the tower. Considering that, IIRC, WNSH applied for 50 kW ND D a few years ago, and had to back off to 30 kW to get a CP, this application seems odd, but it says that all normally prohibited overlaps with co-channel and first-adjacent-channel stations fall over open ocean, making the overlaps permissable. I live northwest of Boston, one of the areas where WNSH's 30-kW signal is particularly bad. A 67% increase in power is equivalent to a 30% increase in signal strength. I can't see that 30% increase doing much for the WNSH signal around here. But then, very few people around here speak Spanish as their primary language. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Sep 27 16:56:18 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:56:18 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years Message-ID: <21DD36E0DFFA43909A07CD2A717B77A9@SatU205S5044> Most likely only two people on this list--Joe Ross and me--remember Harvey Sheldon, the licensee of WUPY (later WUPI) 105.3 in Lynn. I think WUPY/WUPI lived its entire short life in the early '60s, although its tower (reportedly somewhere near the Kowloon Restaurant) survived as a non-broadcast communications tower until its demise a few years ago. Some people have even remarked that WUPY/I played good music--big-band jazz,(something that I absolutely don't remember). Well, Sheldon has survived--a testament to his vegetarian life style, I guess--and is the subject of a thread on the Radio-Info (now RadioDiscussions) Philadelphia board. He is reportedly a Philadelphia native and is running an Internet station that plays big-band jazz. I hope his Internet station sounds a lot better than did the WUPY/I that I remember, which has to be the most sloppily programmed, amateurish "commercial" station I can ever remember hearing. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From scott@fybush.com Thu Sep 27 16:30:25 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:30:25 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? In-Reply-To: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> References: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> Message-ID: <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> On 9/27/2012 3:56 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > The FCC Applications list for today includes a "minor change" > application for WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly. MINOR CHANGE? Yes, "minor change." "Minor" and "major" have different meanings to the FCC than to most of us. To the FCC, a "minor" change is one that can be filed at any time; a "major" change needs to wait for a filing window. An AM station's change is "minor" if it changes frequency by no more than +/- 30 kHz and if it's mutually exclusive to the station's current facility. The WNSH app doesn't change the frequency at all, and it doesn't move the transmitter site. > I wouldn't be surprised if many of the locals > experienced problems when the power was > boosted; a 50K operation would presumably make it worse. Not by much; it's not even a 3 dB increase from the present 30 kW day power. s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Sep 27 17:53:06 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:53:06 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? In-Reply-To: <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> References: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> Message-ID: Even though the signal difference will be minimal, maybe building penetration will be a bit better? Plus, 50KW looks good to local, regional and national ad reps/agencies. "Highest power allowed by law" they can claiom. But we all know where "50KW on paper" got WALE 990. Paul On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 9/27/2012 3:56 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >> The FCC Applications list for today includes a "minor change" >> application for WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly. MINOR CHANGE? >> > > Yes, "minor change." > > "Minor" and "major" have different meanings to the FCC than to most of us. > > To the FCC, a "minor" change is one that can be filed at any time; a > "major" change needs to wait for a filing window. An AM station's change is > "minor" if it changes frequency by no more than +/- 30 kHz and if it's > mutually exclusive to the station's current facility. The WNSH app doesn't > change the frequency at all, and it doesn't move the transmitter site. > > I wouldn't be surprised if many of the locals >> experienced problems when the power was >> boosted; a 50K operation would presumably make it worse. >> > > Not by much; it's not even a 3 dB increase from the present 30 kW day > power. > > s > > From dave@skywaves.net Thu Sep 27 17:57:59 2012 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:57:59 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? In-Reply-To: <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> References: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001101cd9cfb$28ced3a0$7a6c7ae0$@skywaves.net> I hope the signal improves enough to pay off the increase in their power bill! -d -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:30 PM To: Laurence Glavin Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? On 9/27/2012 3:56 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > The FCC Applications list for today includes a "minor change" > application for WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly. MINOR CHANGE? Yes, "minor change." "Minor" and "major" have different meanings to the FCC than to most of us. To the FCC, a "minor" change is one that can be filed at any time; a "major" change needs to wait for a filing window. An AM station's change is "minor" if it changes frequency by no more than +/- 30 kHz and if it's mutually exclusive to the station's current facility. The WNSH app doesn't change the frequency at all, and it doesn't move the transmitter site. > I wouldn't be surprised if many of the locals experienced problems > when the power was boosted; a 50K operation would presumably make it > worse. Not by much; it's not even a 3 dB increase from the present 30 kW day power. s From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Sep 27 18:38:24 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WNSH applies for 50 kW In-Reply-To: <8D11B0D1E6D04890A4AEC954890C395E@SatU205S5044> References: <8D11B0D1E6D04890A4AEC954890C395E@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1348785504.77907.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dan wrote: >Speaking of stations that have, over the years, sounded particularly awful >(my last post was about such a station), today's FCC actions indicate that >WNSH has applied to increase its day power from 30 kW ND to 50 kW ND. There >would be no other changes in facilities other than a minor correction to the >geographic coordinates of the tower. Considering that, IIRC, WNSH applied >for 50 kW ND D a few years ago, and had to back off to 30 kW to get a CP, >this application seems odd, but it says that all normally prohibited >overlaps with co-channel and first-adjacent-channel stations fall over open >ocean, making the overlaps permissable. I live northwest of Boston, one of >the areas where WNSH's 30-kW signal is particularly bad. A 67% increase in >power is equivalent to a 30% increase in signal strength. I can't see that >30% increase doing much for the WNSH signal around here. But then, very few >people around here speak Spanish as their primary language. It's probably been close to 10 (?) years now since they powered up, IIRC? Also note that WPEP is out of the way (even though it was out of the way the first time, too.) From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 28 01:40:08 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:40:08 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years In-Reply-To: <21DD36E0DFFA43909A07CD2A717B77A9@SatU205S5044> References: <21DD36E0DFFA43909A07CD2A717B77A9@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50653838.7040703@attorneyross.com> On 9/27/2012 4:56 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Most likely only two people on this list--Joe Ross and me--remember > Harvey > Sheldon, the licensee of WUPY (later WUPI) 105.3 in Lynn. I think > WUPY/WUPI > lived its entire short life in the early '60s, although its tower > (reportedly somewhere near the Kowloon Restaurant) survived as a > non-broadcast communications tower until its demise a few years ago. Ah yes, Harvey Sheldon. I never understood why he changed the station's call. Nor did I ever understand how it lasted without sponsors until I heard that he somehow persuaded Anthony of Anthony's Hawthorne, Hawthorne-by-the-sea, and the General Gloverhouse, restaurants which were mentioned frequently on the station, to bankroll the station. > Some > people have even remarked that WUPY/I played good music--big-band > jazz,(something that I absolutely don't remember). "Jazz 24-hours a day" was the slogan. On "Wooppee radio." > Well, Sheldon has survived--a > testament to his vegetarian life style, I guess--and is the > subject of a thread on the Radio-Info (now RadioDiscussions) Philadelphia > board. He is reportedly a Philadelphia native and is running an Internet > station that plays big-band jazz. I hope his Internet station sounds a > lot > better than did the WUPY/I that I remember, which has to be the most > sloppily programmed, amateurish "commercial" station I can ever remember > hearing. I think that most of the initial announcers were professionals, but the first time I heard Harvey Sheldon himself, broadcasting live on Saturday night from one of the restaurants, he sounded completely amateurish, rambling on ad infinitem. But a year or so later, when the station returned to the air as WUPI after a period of silence, I heard him doing a DJ shift, and he sounded much better. Was Sheldon the licensee? I heard a story, circa 1964, by which time the station had ended, that he had conned Anthony into thinking it would be his station. I don't remember who told me that, but it was someone at WMUA (I was in college by then) who had worked at the station at some point. He also told me that the FCC had killed the channel assignment because of interference with some other station somewhere. Ah, memories. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 28 01:44:53 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:44:53 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? In-Reply-To: References: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> <5064B761.8080403@fybush.com> Message-ID: <50653955.4050706@attorneyross.com> On 9/27/2012 5:53 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Even though the signal difference will be minimal, maybe building > penetration will be a bit better? > > Plus, 50KW looks good to local, regional and national ad reps/agencies. > > "Highest power allowed by law" they can claiom. > > But we all know where "50KW on paper" got WALE 990. Is that station still on the air? I remember some years ago when they called me and offered to put me on the air for a fee. I never found out how much because I had read the discussions here and knew that its signal didn't reach anywhere near where I would have wanted to reach. When I said that, the caller asked if any other station would put me on the air. Stupid question I thought, since I hadn't actually asked. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Sep 28 14:39:28 2012 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? Message-ID: <8CF6BBFBA118A0B-1E90-5D5E2@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> WNSH is the strongest Boston area station in the daytime here in South Yarmouth about 2 miles east of Exit 8 of Route 6. WRKO and WROL are almost as strong, then WEZE and WBZ a tad farther down the list. The metrowest stations that are all-land-route (650, 850, 890, 1060, 1200, 1330, 1600) are decidedly inferior in the S-meter versus wattage department. 1150, 1470, and 1510 are in the transition zone where they catch a little piece of Quincy Bay and/or a bit of water east of the Manomet Bluffs on the route to here. Once you get to the bearing of 680 and more easterly, the signal efficiency goes way up. 800 from Lawrence (Andover) blasts in, the Medford stations (590, 1090, 1430) ditto, Lynn-Saugus (950, 1230, 1360) etc. So no wonder that WNSH-1570 is screamer-loud here. Even Portland 560 and 970 sound like locals, far stronger than anything more than a few miles west or southwest of Boston. Too bad for WNSH that English is the prevalent language on Cape Cod. Also, looking at the age demographic hereabouts, WNSH would do better to relay WJIB. 990 RI has been off the air the last few times I've played around with my Perseus receiver during the daytime doing antenna-directivity testing / benchmarking. Montreal is usually what I get on 990, over CT and PA during the daytime and mixed (mostly) with CBY Newfoundland at night (with a bit of Rochester, NY 'backgrounding'). The RI station, when on, was famously weak in every direction I heard them: poorer than 630/790/920 whether I was in metro-Boston or Cape Cod or Worcester or Putnam, CT or Newport, RI. Poorer in Newport than WINS-1010 NY even. Mark Connelly, WA1ION South Yarmouth, MA << On 9/27/2012 5:53 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Even though the signal difference will be minimal, maybe building > penetration will be a bit better? > > Plus, 50KW looks good to local, regional and national ad reps/agencies. > > "Highest power allowed by law" they can claiom. > > But we all know where "50KW on paper" got WALE 990. Is that station still on the air? I remember some years ago when they called me and offered to put me on the air for a fee. I never found out how much because I had read the discussions here and knew that its signal didn't reach anywhere near where I would have wanted to reach. When I said that, the caller asked if any other station would put me on the air. Stupid question I thought, since I hadn't actually asked. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Sep 28 14:50:08 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:50:08 -0400 Subject: Savage leaves TRN; RKO has temp. programming Message-ID: Now that Michael Savage has won his lawsuit vs. Talk Radio Network, he is leaving them and looking for a new deal. WRKO has announced that tonight at least they will carry Mark Levin. An announcement on their Facebook says Savage is "on hiatus". Talk Radio Network has told subscribers of their streaming that they will offer a new and exciting show as of Monday (free for 60 days). As for what they will offer over the air, one wonders if Jeff Kuhner (Savage's #1 fill in?) might be what they're intending to run. As for RKO I'd think they'd wait for Savage to sign his new deal and pick him up (either he or Beck ranks 3rd in talk radio national listeners). Conceivably RKO could run Levin, etc. until then. (I doubt they'd go local. As for syndicated, there are a number of possibilities but I think RKO will wait for Savage to sign a new deal and pick him up.) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Sep 29 14:23:42 2012 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years Message-ID: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> The tower was actually located next to the Rt 1/128 split in Danvers I think. It did survive until last year when it was torn down. Mike In a message dated 9/28/2012 12:01:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: Most likely only two people on this list--Joe Ross and me--remember Harvey Sheldon, the licensee of WUPY (later WUPI) 105.3 in Lynn. I think WUPY/WUPI lived its entire short life in the early '60s, although its tower (reportedly somewhere near the Kowloon Restaurant) survived as a non-broadcast communications tower until its demise a few years ago. Some people have even remarked that WUPY/I played good music--big-band jazz,(something that I absolutely don't remember). Well, Sheldon has survived From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Sep 29 17:08:01 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:08:01 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years In-Reply-To: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> References: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <50676331.1040101@donnahalper.com> On 9/29/2012 2:23 PM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > The tower was actually located next to the Rt 1/128 split in Danvers I > think. It did survive until last year when it was torn down. > I don't recall the station (I didn't have FM back then) but it was listed in the Radio-TV Annual for both 1962 and 1963-- at 105.3 FM. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Sep 29 17:12:25 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces, PS In-Reply-To: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> References: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <50676439.7060101@donnahalper.com> According to Billboard magazine, WUPY-FM went on the air on June 1, 1961, with an all-jazz format. In one article about the station, it said Harvey Sheldon had plans to manufacture its own FM radios. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sun Sep 30 12:24:39 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:24:39 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years References: <2bb41.1e4728b9.3d9896ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <0A05D51C1DA94E2283DDE82509323036@YOURbcbbe822ed> WUPI now belings to the Univ. of Maine, Presque Isle http://wp.umpi.edu/wupi/ WUPY is in in "Somewhereville, Mi" http://wupy101.com/index.php?page=on-air ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years > The tower was actually located next to the Rt 1/128 split in Danvers I > think. It did survive until last year when it was torn down. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 9/28/2012 12:01:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > > Most likely only two people on this list--Joe Ross and me--remember > Harvey > Sheldon, the licensee of WUPY (later WUPI) 105.3 in Lynn. I think > WUPY/WUPI > lived its entire short life in the early '60s, although its tower > (reportedly somewhere near the Kowloon Restaurant) survived as a > non-broadcast communications tower until its demise a few years ago. Some > people have even remarked that WUPY/I played good music--big-band > jazz,(something that I absolutely don't remember). Well, Sheldon has > survived > > From lglavin@mail.com Wed Sep 26 14:18:52 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:18:52 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM Message-ID: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 09/26/12 12:24 PM >To: Kevin Vahey >Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM < said: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0919/DOC-316374A1.pdf > He claims that only 20% of radio listening is from the AM band and for > teens it is 10% > He thinks anti-skywave antennas might be part of the solution which I > interpert as if installed a station can stay on daytime power and pattern. >Does he know anything about either physics or RF engineering? >-GAWollman It's been a long time since LTAR was heard on WJIB-AM, but I dimly recall a discussion of a new AM antenna design that was supposed to reduce skywave. I don't recall that it was the same type of AM transmitting antenna that was being tried in Egypt (the country, not the village in North Scituate, MA) which apparently was designed to have a smaller footprint than the typical medium-wave tower. It's possible that if such a design existed, the current day economics of broadcasting just aren't conducive to building-out new facilities for AM stations from scratch. (The WSRO upgrade was accomplished with existing towers). In Brockton, two AM station owners have to install long-wire antennas for their outlets because the properties on which the exisitng towers sit were not part of the sale. And here we are late in the construction season, and Nashua's WSMN-AM 1590 for all I know is no closer to completion than it ever was. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Sep 26 14:26:07 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:26:07 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) Message-ID: <20120926182607.5730@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 09/26/12 03:41 AM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) >After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have >no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue? >https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg In my experience (WLLH, Lawrence and some time back WLLH in Lowell, and WALE-AM 1400 in Fall River) and through photos on Scott's tower calendars, few if any AMs ran directional arrays atop office buildings. I lived in the Seattle area when I was in the USAF (the US never lost a war during my period of active-duty) and KXA-AM 770 there also had a wire suspended between two towers just like the ones pictured in this post. It appears that KTLK-AM 1150 in Los Angeles has multiple towers for a directional array atop what looks like a warehouse building if I type the coordinates in Google or Bing maps and click on satellite or birdseye view. From linc45r-n@lincster.com Thu Sep 27 13:58:04 2012 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:58:04 -0700 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> <8CF6A0C187C1DFB-1BCC-42173@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <6752677FDD1747398D3276CC451777CE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <506493AC.30906@lincster.com> I'll have to see if I can find an old aeronautical sectional chart to confirm, but I believe that is the old Boston Low Frequency Radio Range station. Would have been between 200 and 500kHz. Last CONUS radio ranges were gone by 1970, last one I remember was at NAS Brunswick, ME. The range stations were CW A or N if you were off course, a solid tone if you were on one of the 4 courses. Interesting piece of aviation history. Bit of trivia... Until about 1960 the Instrument Landing System outer marker beacon at Hanscom was on 512 kHz, second harmonic (1024) could be heard over WBZ withing about a mile of the station, CW call sign was BED. Linc From lglavin@mail.com Thu Sep 27 15:56:42 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:56:42 -0400 Subject: WNSH-AM 1570 To Boost Power To 50K? Message-ID: <20120927195642.5770@gmx.com> The FCC Applications list for today includes a "minor change" application for WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly. MINOR CHANGE? They hope to boost the signal to 50,000-watts non-directional days. A few years ago, there was a plan under previous ownership to do just that, but with a directional antenna. At the time, I couldn't figure out where they'd put the towers at the Endicott College campus, but it didn't matter because they reduced the application to 30K NDA. And the application also seems to ask for 50K during critical hours. WNSH's "tower" (in quotes because it's quite short) is not only smack in the middle of a college campus, but that campus is surrounded by a residential area. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the locals experienced problems when the power was boosted; a 50K operation would presumably make it worse.