From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Oct 1 01:24:58 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 01:24:58 -0400 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after 50 years Message-ID: <26A026F0BA4B46C8ABBADDD734BDF8EC@chrisHP> The WUPI/WUPY tower was located at the Route 1/128 split on Route 1 South on a short road to the left of what is now Midas Muffler in Peabody. The Dresser Ideco self supporting tower was torn down about two years ago. The former Boston/New England RCA rep told me that it was one of the only situations where RCA repossessed the studio and transmitter equipment but still lost money on the tower, antenna and transmission line. From linc45r-n@lincster.com Mon Oct 1 09:09:28 2012 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:09:28 -0700 Subject: Harvey Sheldon resurfaces after ~50 years In-Reply-To: <50653838.7040703@attorneyross.com> References: <21DD36E0DFFA43909A07CD2A717B77A9@SatU205S5044> <50653838.7040703@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <50699608.8070600@lincster.com> Add me to the list, "worked" in the block house circa 1962/3. Linc KBNH/KORC/KORV/TBA From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Oct 1 10:49:06 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:49:06 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: <20120926182607.5730@gmx.com> References: <20120926182607.5730@gmx.com> Message-ID: <005d01cd9fe3$ebff1d90$c3fd58b0$@ma@comcast.net> If I remember my fybush.com correctly, I believe the KTLK/KTNQ site was there first, and the warehouse was built around it with the towers in wells. http://www.fybush.com/sites/2006/site-060127.html -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:26 PM To: Kevin Vahey; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 09/26/12 03:41 AM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) >After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I have >no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue? >https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg In my experience (WLLH, Lawrence and some time back WLLH in Lowell, and WALE-AM 1400 in Fall River) and through photos on Scott's tower calendars, few if any AMs ran directional arrays atop office buildings. I lived in the Seattle area when I was in the USAF (the US never lost a war during my period of active-duty) and KXA-AM 770 there also had a wire suspended between two towers just like the ones pictured in this post. It appears that KTLK-AM 1150 in Los Angeles has multiple towers for a directional array atop what looks like a warehouse building if I type the coordinates in Google or Bing maps and click on satellite or birdseye view. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Oct 1 10:54:19 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:54:19 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) In-Reply-To: <506493AC.30906@lincster.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20120926090146.03c2d120@plymouthcolony.net> <8CF6A0C187C1DFB-1BCC-42173@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <6752677FDD1747398D3276CC451777CE@SatU205S5044> <506493AC.30906@lincster.com> Message-ID: <005e01cd9fe4$a680c830$f3825890$@ma@comcast.net> I live near the HAGET NDB in Andover on 402 kHz. When driving by, listening to WXKS, you hear the code from the NDB for about half a mile either side of the Andover water plant. 3 X 402 = 1206 kHz. Probably the most noticeable harmonics in the Boston area is if you are listening to WLYN 1360 when driving anywhere near WRKO in Burlington. It makes you wonder why a station on 1360 was authorized for the area with a 50 kw signal on 680. "Bit of trivia... Until about 1960 the Instrument Landing System outer marker beacon at Hanscom was on 512 kHz, second harmonic (1024) could be heard over WBZ withing about a mile of the station, CW call sign was BED. Linc" From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Oct 1 11:27:26 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:27:26 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers Message-ID: <007801cd9fe9$46f59b70$d4e0d250$@ma@comcast.net> I guess diplexes and triplexes for AM stations are getting fairly common, but does any other triplex site have its three stations all licensed to different cities the way WXKS(Newton)/WRCA(Watertown)/WUNR(Brookline) does? When you look at the nighttime patterns for the three stations, basically all three are aimed east-northeast towards Boston, yet all three are licensed to other municipalities. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Oct 1 12:14:07 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:14:07 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: KWXY 1340 Cathedral City, CA is also sharing a tower with KPTR 1450 Palm Springs, CA. I think there is another station on that tower, but I can't seem to find which one. Paul On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > I guess diplexes and triplexes for AM stations are getting fairly common, > but does any other triplex site have its three stations all licensed to > different cities the way WXKS(Newton)/WRCA(Watertown)/WUNR(Brookline) does? > When you look at the nighttime patterns for the three stations, basically > all three are aimed east-northeast towards Boston, yet all three are > licensed to other municipalities. > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 1 13:47:37 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:47:37 -0400 Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) References: <20120926182607.5730@gmx.com> Message-ID: KTLK (1150) is diplexed with KTNQ (1020). Both stations run 50 kW-D. KTNQ also runs 50 kW-N KTLK's night power is very close to 50 kW (44 kW, IIRC). There are five towers at the site. Both stations use all five by day. KTLK also uses all five at night. KTNQ uses four towers at night. The towers are quite tall--180 degrees at 1020 (480'), which makes them 203 degrees at 1150. When the KTNQ array was built, it was not a rooftop setup. It still isn't exactly a rooftop setup. What happened was that the land around the towers was sold and a large one-story warehouse was built around the tower bases and beneath the guy wires. The ground system was relocated upward by approximately 18' (the height of the building) to the warehouse roof. Each tower base is in a sort of well in the roof. I'm guessing, but the wells are probably close to 20' square. The ground radials for each tower run down the sides of the well and converge on the tower bases. Very likely, there are also mesh ground screens at the bottoms of the wells. The ground screens probably extend up the sides of the wells and continue for a short distance on the warehouse roof. The engineers who dreamed up this scheme were quite ingenious. Constructing the warehouse without accidentally felling one or more towers must have represented one heck of a challenge. And remember, the towers were live with RF during much of the construction! A historic rooftop AM DA belonged to the AM 550 in Cincinnati (WKRC now; though it may have had different calls when the rooftop DA existed). It was a two-tower array and the building was a hotel, which I believe still stands. The rooftop towers may also still stand but they have not been used as a DA for many decades. The towers may have begun life as the supports for a long-wire antenna and may later have been converted to the vertical radiators of the station's original DA. The rooftop antenna was decommissioned many years ago when the station built a conventional two-tower DA in a suburban location. A true rooftop DA of much more recent vintage exists atop a warehouse building in Oakland CA. The four-tower setup belongs to the 1510 station licensed to Piedmont CA, which I believe is across SF Bay in Marin County. The station's current calls are KSFN, but in a previous life were KPIG. At one time, this array had five radiating elements (though only four towers). The fifth element was a drop-wire suspended from a cable that joined the tops of two of the towers. There is a kind of bizarre connection between the Cincinnati station that once had a rooftop DA and the Piedmont CA station that has a rooftop DA. The Cincy station's calls were WKRC, which is very close to the fictional WKRP, also in Cincinnati. WKRP's fictional crosstown competitor (at least in the mind of WKRP's ND, Les Nesman) was WPIG. One of the former call signs of the Piedmont CA station with the rooftop DA was KPIG. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Kevin Vahey >>Sent: 09/26/12 03:41 AM >>To: Boston Radio Group >>Subject: Boston downtown radio towers (1956) > > >After seeing this picture I have a vague recall of these towers, but I > >have >no clue who they transmitted. Anybody have a clue? > > >https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/470934_4296181715469_1623633222_o.jpg > > > In my experience (WLLH, Lawrence and some time back WLLH in Lowell, and > WALE-AM 1400 in Fall River) and through > photos on Scott's tower calendars, few if any AMs ran directional arrays > atop office buildings. I lived in the > Seattle area when I was in the USAF (the US never lost a war during my > period of active-duty) and KXA-AM 770 > there also had a wire suspended between two towers just like the ones > pictured in this post. It appears that > KTLK-AM 1150 in Los Angeles has multiple towers for a directional array > atop what looks like a warehouse > building if I type the coordinates in Google or Bing maps and click on > satellite or birdseye view. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 1 14:00:54 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 14:00:54 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5D0C560E7D6C4D608DC5CF57882C97A9@SatU205S5044> AM diplexes with different CoLs are quite common--even locally: WWDJ 1150 Boston/WAZN 1470 Watertown; WQOM 1060 Natick/WAMG 890 Dedham; also WLYN 1360 Lynn/WESX 1230 Nahant. And before WKOX (now WXKS) moved to Newton, we had WKOX 1200 Framingham/WBIX 1060 Natick/WSRO 650 Ashland--the last being a triplex with three CoLs. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Jim Hall" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers > KWXY 1340 Cathedral City, CA is also sharing a tower with KPTR 1450 Palm > Springs, CA. I think there is another station on that tower, but I can't > seem to find which one. > > Paul > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > >> I guess diplexes and triplexes for AM stations are getting fairly common, >> but does any other triplex site have its three stations all licensed to >> different cities the way WXKS(Newton)/WRCA(Watertown)/WUNR(Brookline) >> does? >> When you look at the nighttime patterns for the three stations, basically >> all three are aimed east-northeast towards Boston, yet all three are >> licensed to other municipalities. >> >> >> >> >> >> From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 1 13:55:43 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:55:43 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> On 10/1/2012 12:14 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > KWXY 1340 Cathedral City, CA is also sharing a tower with KPTR 1450 Palm > Springs, CA. I think there is another station on that tower, but I can't > seem to find which one. > Nope, just those two, at least as far as main transmitter sites are concerned. (I think there's an FM aux there for the former KWXY-FM 98.5.) But how about the now-defunct triplex in Framingham? At one time, those towers held 650 ("Ashland"), 1060 ("Natick") and 1200 ("Framingham"), though now they're down to just the 650 signal. There aren't many other triplexes out there, at least not yet. Garrett has seen something I haven't: the one and only quad-plex, which is home to four signals all licensed to Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, on 540/660/800/1010. I don't think all four were up and running when he was there a few years ago, though. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 1 15:38:23 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:38:23 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> Message-ID: <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> And AFAIK, none of the Sauk Rapids stations has ever gone on the air. There are other AM quadruplexes, though--in Hawaii. They are all ND, however. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers > On 10/1/2012 12:14 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> KWXY 1340 Cathedral City, CA is also sharing a tower with KPTR 1450 Palm >> Springs, CA. I think there is another station on that tower, but I can't >> seem to find which one. >> > > Nope, just those two, at least as far as main transmitter sites are > concerned. (I think there's an FM aux there for the former KWXY-FM 98.5.) > > But how about the now-defunct triplex in Framingham? At one time, those > towers held 650 ("Ashland"), 1060 ("Natick") and 1200 ("Framingham"), > though now they're down to just the 650 signal. > > There aren't many other triplexes out there, at least not yet. Garrett has > seen something I haven't: the one and only quad-plex, which is home to > four signals all licensed to Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, on 540/660/800/1010. > I don't think all four were up and running when he was there a few years > ago, though. > > s > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Oct 1 16:25:22 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:25:22 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Uhh, Dan.. you sure about that? http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=sauk+rapids%2C+mn&x=0&y=0&sid= On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And AFAIK, none of the Sauk Rapids stations has ever gone on the air. > There are other AM quadruplexes, though--in Hawaii. They are all ND, > however. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers > > > On 10/1/2012 12:14 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> >>> KWXY 1340 Cathedral City, CA is also sharing a tower with KPTR 1450 Palm >>> Springs, CA. I think there is another station on that tower, but I can't >>> seem to find which one. >>> >>> >> Nope, just those two, at least as far as main transmitter sites are >> concerned. (I think there's an FM aux there for the former KWXY-FM 98.5.) >> >> But how about the now-defunct triplex in Framingham? At one time, those >> towers held 650 ("Ashland"), 1060 ("Natick") and 1200 ("Framingham"), >> though now they're down to just the 650 signal. >> >> There aren't many other triplexes out there, at least not yet. Garrett >> has seen something I haven't: the one and only quad-plex, which is home to >> four signals all licensed to Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, on 540/660/800/1010. I >> don't think all four were up and running when he was there a few years ago, >> though. >> >> s >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 1 15:53:22 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:53:22 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5069F4B2.3050805@fybush.com> On 10/1/2012 3:38 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And AFAIK, none of the Sauk Rapids stations has ever gone on the air. > There are other AM quadruplexes, though--in Hawaii. They are all ND, > however. All four are now on the air from that site. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Oct 1 16:08:45 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:08:45 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> <623DD097E4DC4C7DB0918695EB43129F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001160800.03cd0040@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:38 PM 10/1/2012, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >And AFAIK, none of the Sauk Rapids stations has ever gone on the air. All four are showing as licensed on the Commission site. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Oct 1 16:05:21 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:05:21 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001155650.03b58b08@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:55 PM 10/1/2012, Scott Fybush wrote: >There aren't many other triplexes out there, at least not yet. Garrett has seen something I haven't: the one and only quad-plex, which is home to four signals all licensed to Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, on 540/660/800/1010. I don't think all four were up and running when he was there a few years ago, though. I was following Mark Meuller's thread on Virtual Engineer when he added the third station in 2008 and the fourth in 2010. It is a very impressive piece of engineering, and Mark is one of very few field engineers in the country who can handle work like that successfully. If you would like to read the thread, with graphs and pictures (with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one ... sorry, wrong song), it is at: http://www.broadcastengineering.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=757 Mark is "Deep Thought." Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 1 17:36:06 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20586.3270.372703.288296@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There aren't many other triplexes out there, at least not yet. Garrett > has seen something I haven't: the one and only quad-plex, which is home > to four signals all licensed to Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, on > 540/660/800/1010. I don't think all four were up and running when he was > there a few years ago, though. It's not actually a "proper" quadplex; one of the stations has no towers in common with any of the other three. Still an engineering challenge, since they are on the same site, so both arrays need reject filters for the station(s) on the other array. Three of the stations were on the air when I stopped by, with the fourth under construction. It's hard to imagine, having driven around up there, that land could be so expensive as to balance out the expense of engineering a site for four AM stations. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 1 18:02:30 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:02:30 -0400 Subject: Question re WXKS/WRCA/WBOS towers In-Reply-To: <20586.3270.372703.288296@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <5069c058.41d0320a.21db.ffffc7f6SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <5069D91F.7060901@fybush.com> <20586.3270.372703.288296@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20586.4854.866359.967281@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < It's not actually a "proper" quadplex; one of the stations has no > towers in common with any of the other three. Actually, looking at the engineer's postings that Dale Cook just linked to, it looks like two towers are singletons and the other five are shared among various combinations of stations -- with two of them being shared by all four stations! (And I'll second the comment that the Persons family are good people.) No easy task, that's for sure. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 1 23:24:26 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:24:26 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> References: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506A5E6A.1090306@attorneyross.com> On 9/26/2012 2:18 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > It's been a long time since LTAR was heard on WJIB-AM, but I dimly > recall a discussion of a new AM antenna design that was supposed to > reduce skywave. I don't recall that it was the same type of AM > transmitting antenna that was being tried in Egypt (the country, not > the village in North Scituate, MA) which apparently was designed to > have a smaller footprint than the typical medium-wave tower. It's > possible that if such a design existed, the current day economics of > broadcasting just aren't conducive to building-out new facilities for > AM stations from scratch. (The WSRO upgrade was accomplished with > existing towers). In Brockton, two AM station owners have to install > long-wire antennas for their outlets because the properties on which > the exisitng towers sit were not part of the sale. And here we are > late in the construction season, and Nashua's WSMN-AM 1590 for all I > know is no closer to completion than it ever was. ----- No virus found > in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / > Virus Database: 2441/5301 - Release Date: 09/30/12 I do remember a discussion on LTAR about a new AM antenna design. I don't remember skywave reduction as one of its goals or properties, I thought it was just something that was supposed to be easier and cheaper to construct. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 1 23:28:25 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:28:25 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> References: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506A5F59.4040504@attorneyross.com> On 9/26/2012 2:18 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: In Brockton, two AM station owners have to install long-wire antennas for their outlets because the properties on which the exisitng towers sit were not part of the sale. And here we are late in the construction season, and Nashua's WSMN-AM 1590 for all I know is no closer to completion than it ever was. Are long-wire antennas still allowed for AM stations (other than some very old grandfathered operations)? To install a new one, wouldn't FCC approval be required? Wouldn't a newly-installed long-wire antenna produce a different directional pattern than the previous tower(s)? How would a station deal with that? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Oct 2 00:40:21 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM Message-ID: <10b44.7cc137c3.3d9bca35@aol.com> The Ajit Pai proposal has nothing to do with those LTAR-discussed antennae. The LTAR-discussed ones took up a lot of land but were not tall, and did not reduce skywave. What Pai is talking about are towers that would not send any skywave, therefore an AM using it/them could be on full power at night. As to the long-wires, the FCC permits those in emergency situations. A station losing its tower site is regarded 'an emergency". Such grants are given for 180 days. But I know of a few stations that have gotten 5 or 6 extensions, making the long-wire use being 3+ years. As to long-wires' signal, it's a fat/squashed figure-8, but the FCC officially counts its coverage as a round circle. ----jibguy From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Oct 2 01:00:19 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM Message-ID: In a message dated 10/2/2012 12:57:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: So what was the advantage of the antennas that we discussed on LTAR? The fact that they were not tall. --about 75' at most.... which can easily slip under any towns zoning laws, thereby preventing nimbys from having a say. ---jibguy From brscomm@yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 00:12:21 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 23:12:21 -0500 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> References: <20120926181852.5760@gmx.com> Message-ID: <002401cda054$1ecc87b0$5c659710$@yahoo.com> That would have been the crossed field antenna by a guy named Kabbary. He claimed fantastic performance but the real world didn't agree. http://www.crossedfieldantenna.com Bill -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:19 PM To: Garrett Wollman; Kevin Vahey Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 09/26/12 12:24 PM >To: Kevin Vahey >Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for >AM < said: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0919/DOC-316374A1.pdf > He claims that only 20% of radio listening is from the AM band and for > teens it is 10% > He thinks anti-skywave antennas might be part of the solution which I > interpert as if installed a station can stay on daytime power and pattern. >Does he know anything about either physics or RF engineering? >-GAWollman It's been a long time since LTAR was heard on WJIB-AM, but I dimly recall a discussion of a new AM antenna design that was supposed to reduce skywave. I don't recall that it was the same type of AM transmitting antenna that was being tried in Egypt (the country, not the village in North Scituate, MA) which apparently was designed to have a smaller footprint than the typical medium-wave tower. It's possible that if such a design existed, the current day economics of broadcasting just aren't conducive to building-out new facilities for AM stations from scratch. (The WSRO upgrade was accomplished with existing towers). In Brockton, two AM station owners have to install long-wire antennas for their outlets because the properties on which the exisitng towers sit were not part of the sale. And here we are late in the construction season, and Nashua's WSMN-AM 1590 for all I know is no closer to completion than it ever was. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Oct 2 00:57:50 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:57:50 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <10b44.7cc137c3.3d9bca35@aol.com> References: <10b44.7cc137c3.3d9bca35@aol.com> Message-ID: <506A744E.3020300@attorneyross.com> On 10/2/2012 12:40 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > The Ajit Pai proposal has nothing to do with those LTAR-discussed > antennae. The LTAR-discussed ones took up a lot of land but were not > tall, and did not reduce skywave. What Pai is talking about are towers > that would not send any skywave, therefore an AM using it/them could > be on full power at night. So what was the advantage of the antennas that we discussed on LTAR? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Oct 2 02:57:20 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 02:57:20 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <506A744E.3020300@attorneyross.com> References: <10b44.7cc137c3.3d9bca35@aol.com> <506A744E.3020300@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: There is no longer a need for skywave signals. It pains me to type this but it is true. When I lived in Chicago in the 80's WBZ was my link home and near the lake starting an hour before local sundown WBZ was the strongest AM signal in the Loop. Most of us recall fondly what after sunset radio meant 40 - 60 years ago. The strongest AM signal in Cambridge in the late 60's at night was WPTR in Albany. That said - the power of the clear channel stations back in the 60's was best shown the night *Roby Yonge went nuts about Paul being dead. * * * *In Boston people started calling Steve Fredericks and Larry Glick saying WABC is saying McCartney is dead. I was at WMEX that night and Steve said 'Well if WABC is going there, it is good enough for me.'* * * *The harsh reality in the Boston market is WBZ-1030 keeps the AM band alive. WRKO has Howie and little else. * From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Oct 2 10:10:08 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:10:08 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM References: Message-ID: <1BFBDC796CAC47788CE99AE33CCD9EC3@SatU205S5044> Anyone remember a guy named (IIRC) Lee Hollingsworth (long-since departed)? Back in the late '40s and '50s he owned what was then WKBS 1520 in Oyster Bay Long Island. I think it's now WKIT Mineola with somewhat more than the 250W-D WKBS had but it is still a daytimer on 1520. The huge daytime skywave from what was then WKBW (now WWKB) used to cream the Oyster Bay station's signal just about everywhere and Hollingsworth thought he had a solution--a huge power increase, at least during the 1-1/2 hours after sunrise and before sunset. To avoid interfering with WKBW's groundwave, he proposed a sky-wave-cancelling antenna which he wanted to construct by running wires horizontally from the WKBS tower outward to the guy wires. His idea was that, when driven with signals of the proper phase with respect to the main carrier, these horizontal wires would act as a skywave-cancelling antenna that would send its signal straight upward. I don't know whether Hollingsworth ever installed the horizontal wires and drove them with a properly phase-shifted version of WKBS's modulated main carrier, but the FCC was never impressed with the idea and I very much doubt whether the scheme would have worked if it had ever been built. I hold little hope for skywave cancellation of this type and I doubt whether the FCC commissioner who is proposing it understands the practical limitations of what he is suggesting. Skywave cancellation has, however, been used with very limited success in the design of a few AM DAs. The idea there is to use towers of different heights that, therefore, have different vertical radiation patterns. If the ionosphere would only hold still from one minute to the next (let alone from one night to the next), it might actually be possible to tailor the vertical pattern to produce a stable minimum in the direction of a station needing protection. As I said, however, the ionosphere has never been cooperative and the results have, AFAIK, never proven to be worth the effort. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:00 AM Subject: Re: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM > > In a message dated 10/2/2012 12:57:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > joe@attorneyross.com writes: > > So what was the advantage of the antennas that we discussed on LTAR? > > > > The fact that they were not tall. --about 75' at most.... which can > easily slip under any towns zoning laws, thereby preventing nimbys from > having > a say. > > ---jibguy From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Oct 2 10:20:06 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:20:06 -0400 Subject: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for AM In-Reply-To: <1BFBDC796CAC47788CE99AE33CCD9EC3@SatU205S5044> References: <1BFBDC796CAC47788CE99AE33CCD9EC3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Bob I would have included 850 but as of Friday they become birdfeed from ESPN. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anyone remember a guy named (IIRC) Lee Hollingsworth (long-since departed)? > Back in the late '40s and '50s he owned what was then WKBS 1520 in Oyster > Bay Long Island. I think it's now WKIT Mineola with somewhat more than the > 250W-D WKBS had but it is still a daytimer on 1520. The huge daytime > skywave > from what was then WKBW (now WWKB) used to cream the Oyster Bay station's > signal just about everywhere and Hollingsworth thought he had a solution--a > huge power increase, at least during the 1-1/2 hours after sunrise and > before sunset. To avoid interfering with WKBW's groundwave, he proposed a > sky-wave-cancelling antenna which he wanted to construct by running wires > horizontally from the WKBS tower outward to the guy wires. His idea was > that, when driven with signals of the proper phase with respect to the main > carrier, these horizontal wires would act as a skywave-cancelling antenna > that would send its signal straight upward. I don't know whether > Hollingsworth ever installed the horizontal wires and drove them with a > properly phase-shifted version of WKBS's modulated main carrier, but the > FCC > was never impressed with the idea and I very much doubt whether the scheme > would have worked if it had ever been built. I hold little hope for skywave > cancellation of this type and I doubt whether the FCC commissioner who is > proposing it understands the practical limitations of what he is > suggesting. > > Skywave cancellation has, however, been used with very limited success in > the design of a few AM DAs. The idea there is to use towers of different > heights that, therefore, have different vertical radiation patterns. If the > ionosphere would only hold still from one minute to the next (let alone > from > one night to the next), it might actually be possible to tailor the > vertical > pattern to produce a stable minimum in the direction of a station needing > protection. As I said, however, the ionosphere has never been cooperative > and the results have, AFAIK, never proven to be worth the effort. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:00 AM > > Subject: Re: FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai says it is time to rewrite rules for > AM > > > >> In a message dated 10/2/2012 12:57:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> joe@attorneyross.com writes: >> >> So what was the advantage of the antennas that we discussed on LTAR? >> >> >> >> The fact that they were not tall. --about 75' at most.... which can >> easily slip under any towns zoning laws, thereby preventing nimbys from >> having >> a say. >> >> ---jibguy >> > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Oct 4 11:16:58 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:16:58 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) Message-ID: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 T http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 hat is the five minute or so loop WEEI 850 is now running in advance of the split to occur tomorrow morning at 6 (though technically both 850 and 93.7 will have overnight ESPN programming). Response to the announcement on WEEI's facebook has some saying it's great but some others complain they can't quite get the 93.7 signal. It's explained the other stations like 103.7 in RI, 95.9 and 95.5 up in Maine, etc. should help. One person says she works at Logan and could get 850 but not 93.7. (Surprised a bit...I know there can be problems, but...) I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there are phone apps, etc. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Oct 4 12:33:47 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:33:47 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> Message-ID: <316D1224863849509665B9D1FEBD6C06@SatU205S5044> I assume that, by "regular WEEI," you mean 93.7, but you ought to have made yourself clear. Or did Mark Scheyder forget to tell you what to write? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > > The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there > are phone apps, etc. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 12:57:52 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:57:52 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <316D1224863849509665B9D1FEBD6C06@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <227CE35CE2344A2CBFA817E0DEE4708A@s20035> >> I assume that, by "regular WEEI," you mean 93.7, but you ought to have made yourself clear. Or did Mark Scheyder forget to tell you what to write? << Ouch! From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Oct 4 13:28:16 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1349371696.53883.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 > >T http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 hat is the five minute or so loop WEEI 850 is now running in advance of the split to occur tomorrow morning at 6 >(though technically both 850 and 93.7 will have overnight ESPN programming). Response to the announcement on >WEEI's facebook has some saying it's great but some others complain they can't quite get the 93.7 signal. It's >explained the other stations like 103.7 in RI, 95.9 and 95.5 up in Maine, etc. should help. One person says she >works at Logan and could get 850 but not 93.7. (Surprised a bit...I know there can be problems, but...) > >I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will >get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) > >The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there are phone apps, etc. One thing I haven't understood about this transition is WEEI gave *no notice* about 850 flipping to ESPN. Yes, we knew it, but even now, there is no mention of this on WEEI's homepage. The on-air branding is still confused, emphasizing the 93.7 frequency but still using 850 as a big part of its on-air persona (text number, local and 800 numbers). They could have moved the numbers over weeks ago. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Oct 4 15:00:09 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:00:09 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <316D1224863849509665B9D1FEBD6C06@SatU205S5044> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <316D1224863849509665B9D1FEBD6C06@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Hey, he doesn't tell me what to write; I get good info from people like him and you, and will often credit those who do relay info to me. By regular WEEI yes I did mean their main local shows and play by play. No "ouch" at all. Meanwhile, maybe the Prez should have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before the debate :) From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Oct 4 15:44:09 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:44:09 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <316D1224863849509665B9D1FEBD6C06@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: 779-0850 is dead now 779-7937 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Oct 4 16:09:57 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:09:57 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) Message-ID: <20121004200958.70220@gmx.com> Thanks for the info--well that was quick! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: 10/04/12 03:44 PM To: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) 779-0850 is dead now 779-7937 From mward@iname.com Thu Oct 4 23:38:05 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:38:05 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one > of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... You are correct. Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Oct 5 00:27:02 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:27:02 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC Message-ID: On a drive down to Essex today I had the pleasure of listening to the new WNBP-FM, very well programmed local radio at its best. The new signal is listenable from the junction of I-495 and Route 213 in Methuen all the way to Restaurant Row in Essex with a few areas of co-channel garbage in Rowley and Ipswich.....not bad for 90 watts. The announcement seems to be a change to ?The Legends? a late 50?s and predominantly 60?s based oldies format which is extremely well done. Audio is excellent, a touch over compressed for my taste but I understand why they are doing it just trying to get the most out of their RF signal and are doing an excellent job. NBC News on the hour, even though the signal is a bit challenged across the boarder in Salem. Just reset one of my long wasted FM push buttons to 106.1 to enjoy this wonderful station where I can. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Oct 5 01:08:39 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 01:08:39 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And here's an aircheck I made of the "announcement" they made at 12NOON on Wednesday about the sign on of 106.1: http://www.onairdj.com/WNBP1450NewburyportMA_10032012.mp3 I airchecked it off their webstream. The format "modification" is nice.. I like what I heard on the stream. Paul On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > On a drive down to Essex today I had the pleasure of listening to the new > WNBP-FM, very well programmed local radio at its best. The new signal > is listenable from the junction of I-495 and Route 213 in Methuen all the > way to Restaurant Row in Essex with a few areas of co-channel > garbage in Rowley and Ipswich.....not bad for 90 watts. The announcement > seems to be a change to ?The Legends? a late 50?s and predominantly > 60?s based oldies format which is extremely well done. Audio is excellent, > a touch over compressed for my taste but I understand why they are doing it > just trying to get the most out of their RF signal and are doing an > excellent job. NBC News on the hour, even though the signal is a bit > challenged > across the boarder in Salem. Just reset one of my long wasted FM push > buttons to 106.1 to enjoy this wonderful station where I can. > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 01:04:22 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:04:22 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> On 10/4/2012 11:16 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will > get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one > of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) Why would anyone want sports programming to be in stereo? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 01:18:14 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:18:14 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <506E6D96.4010109@attorneyross.com> On 10/5/2012 12:27 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > On a drive down to Essex today I had the pleasure of listening to the new WNBP-FM, very well programmed local radio at its best. The new signal > is listenable from the junction of I-495 and Route 213 in Methuen all the way to Restaurant Row in Essex with a few areas of co-channel > garbage in Rowley and Ipswich.....not bad for 90 watts. The announcement seems to be a change to ?The Legends? a late 50?s and predominantly > 60?s based oldies format which is extremely well done. Audio is excellent, a touch over compressed for my taste but I understand why they are doing it > just trying to get the most out of their RF signal and are doing an excellent job. NBC News on the hour, even though the signal is a bit challenged > across the boarder in Salem. Just reset one of my long wasted FM push buttons to 106.1 to enjoy this wonderful station where I can. There's still an NBC radio network? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Oct 5 02:49:39 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 02:49:39 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Football in FM stereo is awesome. That is the reason the Pats moved to WBCN in the first place. WBZ-FM mixes home Bruins games in stereo as well but road games they are stuck. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:04 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 10/4/2012 11:16 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono >> and I said the signal's fringe areas will >> get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in >> Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" >> on ESPN Radio) >> > > Why would anyone want sports programming to be in stereo? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Oct 5 02:30:18 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1349418618.68845.YahooMailNeo@web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mr. Ross wrote: >Why would anyone want sports programming to be in stereo? It's more for play-by-play. Infinity was one of the first to go down the road of sports stereo broadcasts about 15 or 20 years ago, IIRC, when its FMs (e.g. WBCN) started picking up NFL rights. That was a major selling point for the Krafts when they first switched over to WBCN.[1] [1] Nov. 28, 1994, Boston Globe article. "Kraft, son of the Patriots' first-year owner Bob Kraft, was listening to the radio broadcast of the game on the Cleveland flagship station, WDOK-FM. It wasn't just your normal play-by-play. The game was being sent out in stereo. ...?'It was like nothing I've ever heard before,' he said. 'The sound was awesome.' " From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Oct 5 08:57:51 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:57:51 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC In-Reply-To: <506E6D96.4010109@attorneyross.com> References: <506E6D96.4010109@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Uh, yeah... it's what used to be CNN Radio News as I understand it. They took that over.. basically renamed it, with NBC people. Paul On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:18 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 10/5/2012 12:27 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > > On a drive down to Essex today I had the pleasure of listening to the new >> WNBP-FM, very well programmed local radio at its best. The new signal >> is listenable from the junction of I-495 and Route 213 in Methuen all the >> way to Restaurant Row in Essex with a few areas of co-channel >> garbage in Rowley and Ipswich.....not bad for 90 watts. The announcement >> seems to be a change to ?The Legends? a late 50?s and predominantly >> 60?s based oldies format which is extremely well done. Audio is >> excellent, a touch over compressed for my taste but I understand why they >> are doing it >> just trying to get the most out of their RF signal and are doing an >> excellent job. NBC News on the hour, even though the signal is a bit >> challenged >> across the boarder in Salem. Just reset one of my long wasted FM push >> buttons to 106.1 to enjoy this wonderful station where I can. >> > > There's still an NBC radio network? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Oct 5 12:50:48 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:50:48 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC References: <506E6D96.4010109@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 5 14:24:33 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:24:33 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC Message-ID: <20121005182434.98420@gmx.com> Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have actual NBC personalities on there. I believe Premiere has "Fox Sports Radio" which does have the Fox name and "music" but I don't know for sure if they're actually run by Fox (probably not) or have Fox TV sports personalities. Tom Looney of the JT The Brick show refers to NFL games as running on Fox TV, aka "The Big Fox". From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 5 15:06:30 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:06:30 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) Message-ID: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ward Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM To: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: > I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one > of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... You are correct. Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 5 14:20:56 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:20:56 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC Message-ID: <20121005182057.98410@gmx.com> I believe so, maybe on the same hill as the WNEF stick. A little west of Cider Hill Farm, just south of the NH border etc ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Sent: 10/05/12 12:50 PM To: B-R-I Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Oct 5 14:44:13 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:44:13 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC Message-ID: <506F2A7D.9010303@Gmail.com> Don wrote, > And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? Yup, apparently on WNEF-91.7?s stick: http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=FN42mu77ms&t=m ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From francini@mac.com Fri Oct 5 15:38:08 2012 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:38:08 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Message-ID: And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. On WEEI, all the single-channel announcers simply sounded 50% softer than the primary announcer (who did the intro and exit). j On 5 Oct 2012, at 15:06, Bob Nelson wrote: > Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Ward > Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM > To: Bob Nelson > Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > > On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: >> I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) > As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... > You are correct. > Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? From heritageradio@msn.com Fri Oct 5 15:45:59 2012 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:45:59 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> Message-ID: I would rather have seen both sites continue with the well-developed WEEI (AM) schedule of personalities and events. Then coverage wouldn't have been a pressing problem. <> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 T http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 hat is the five minute or so loop WEEI 850 is now running in advance of the split to occur tomorrow morning at 6 (though technically both 850 and 93.7 will have overnight ESPN programming). Response to the announcement on WEEI's facebook has some saying it's great but some others complain they can't quite get the 93.7 signal. It's explained the other stations like 103.7 in RI, 95.9 and 95.5 up in Maine, etc. should help. One person says she works at Logan and could get 850 but not 93.7. (Surprised a bit...I know there can be problems, but...) I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there are phone apps, etc. From mward@iname.com Fri Oct 5 16:33:35 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:33:35 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports > talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... From peterwmurray@gmail.com Fri Oct 5 17:15:27 2012 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:15:27 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > > Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from > easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. > > I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS Sports Radio Network format. I don't know if their HD-Radio streams are processed in stereo or not. Given the number of streams they're offering with the limited digital bandwidth, it would seem prudent to stick with mono there too. -Peter From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 23:42:38 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:42:38 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC In-Reply-To: <20121005182434.98420@gmx.com> References: <20121005182434.98420@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506FA8AE.9050607@attorneyross.com> On 10/5/2012 2:24 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off > the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio > brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and > sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have > actual NBC personalities on there. So is NBC radio once again connected with NBC television? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 23:46:32 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:46:32 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal > (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on > HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not > present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been > already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS > Sports Radio Network format. Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President Kennedy? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 23:41:16 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:41:16 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> On 10/5/2012 2:49 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Football in FM stereo is awesome. That is the reason the Pats moved to > WBCN in the first place. > > WBZ-FM mixes home Bruins games in stereo as well but road games they > are stuck. What about TV games? They could be done in stereo, couldn't they? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 5 23:44:30 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:44:30 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> Message-ID: <506FA91E.9040009@attorneyross.com> On 10/5/2012 3:38 PM, John Francini wrote: > And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. Come to think of it, stereo could be used for political ads, comparing their own candidate on one channel with the opposing candidate on the other. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Oct 6 08:20:05 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 08:20:05 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth, Wikipedia says it's named for the president. -Bob On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:46 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >> Sports Radio Network format. >> > > Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President > Kennedy? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Oct 6 08:07:17 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) Message-ID: <1349525237.87002.androidMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> They have been for many years. ------ Sent from my mobile phone. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Oct 6 09:57:16 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:57:16 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) Message-ID: <20121006135716.98380@gmx.com> At one point 94.9 on the Cape (now WXTK 95.1) had the calls WJFK I believe (the whole Hyannisport connection). I think they also were WSOX-FM--had rights to Red Sox--at another time From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Oct 6 23:23:05 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:23:05 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> Message-ID: <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> On 10/6/2012 8:36 AM, John Francini wrote: > Oh they are. Anything from ordinary stereo to full surround. Makes you feel you're really in the stadium. I've watched some UMass games on my livingroom TV, which is a stereo TV, but I've never noticed much difference. Is it possible that some games are done in stereo and some aren't? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Oct 6 23:38:13 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:38:13 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> > I've watched some UMass games on my livingroom TV, which is a stereo > TV, but I've never noticed much difference. Is it possible that some > games are done in stereo and some aren't? Where you really notice the stereo audio during sports broadcasts, is listening on a surround sound system, with the speakers further separated than on a regular TV. Many games are even broadcast in 5.1 surround sound, which is quite impressive! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 7 00:09:08 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:09:08 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> Message-ID: <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> On 10/6/2012 11:38 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >> I've watched some UMass games on my livingroom TV, which is a stereo >> TV, but I've never noticed much difference. Is it possible that some >> games are done in stereo and some aren't? > Where you really notice the stereo audio during sports broadcasts, is > listening on a surround sound system, with the speakers further separated > than on a regular TV. Many games are even broadcast in 5.1 surround sound, > which is quite impressive! I don't have surround sound, but I have the TV connected to the stereo system, and the speakers are a bit more separated than just speakers on the TV would be. I've noticed stereo effects on other programs, but not on football games. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Oct 7 01:49:29 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 01:49:29 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: NESN has been doing Red Sox and Bruins home games in Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound since 2004. UMass telecasts for the most part are low budget remote productions. UMass is a tough sell in the Boston market especially on the radio side. WEEI owns the broadcast rights for UMass but the games are only fed to WWEI in Springfield and WVEI-AM in Worcester. http://www.masslive.com/umass/index.ssf/2012/06/1055_fm_wwei_springfield_talks.html Entercom does put UMass games on WATD Marshfield but that signal is hit or miss north of Quincy. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:09 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 10/6/2012 11:38 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > >> I've watched some UMass games on my livingroom TV, which is a stereo >>> TV, but I've never noticed much difference. Is it possible that some >>> games are done in stereo and some aren't? >>> >> Where you really notice the stereo audio during sports broadcasts, is >> listening on a surround sound system, with the speakers further separated >> than on a regular TV. Many games are even broadcast in 5.1 surround sound, >> which is quite impressive! >> > > I don't have surround sound, but I have the TV connected to the stereo > system, and the speakers are a bit more separated than just speakers on the > TV would be. I've noticed stereo effects on other programs, but not on > football games. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Oct 7 01:41:23 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1349588483.24689.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A. Joseph Ross writes: > I don't have surround sound, but I have the TV connected to the stereo > system, and the speakers are a bit more separated than just speakers on the TV > would be.? I've noticed stereo effects on other programs, but not on > football games. Do you watch just UMass football games? I'll guess that the production quality of those game broadcasts, even with UMass now in the MAC, doesn't match that on ESPN or ESPN2. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Oct 7 03:49:11 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 03:49:11 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <1349588483.24689.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> <1349588483.24689.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: UMass as a broadcast property is mainly Western Mass. They had a great basketball team 15 years ago but the reality is college sports in general do badly on Boston based media. Joe listen to a Pats game some afternoon on WBZ-FM - you will be blown away by the background sound. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > A. Joseph Ross writes: > > I don't have surround sound, but I have the TV connected to the stereo > > system, and the speakers are a bit more separated than just speakers on > the TV > > would be. I've noticed stereo effects on other programs, but not on > > football games. > > > Do you watch just UMass football games? I'll guess that the production > quality of those game broadcasts, even with UMass now in the MAC, doesn't > match that on ESPN or ESPN2. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Oct 7 14:34:35 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:34:35 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) References: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8A7636CE24D94F6BA314E6ACE18523A1@SatU205S5044> About as much of a coincidence as KLBJ in Austin TX, though that one was owned by a company in which Ladybird held the controlling interest. Nobody in the Kennedy family never owned WJFK and nobody in the Roosevelt family ever owned what was then WFDR in New York. At the time it had the WFDR calls, I believe that the New York station was owned by the ILGWU (International Ladies Garment Workers' Union). If I'm wrong, I can count on being corrected. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President > Kennedy? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 8 00:40:29 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:40:29 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5072593D.1050502@attorneyross.com> On 10/7/2012 1:49 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NESN has been doing Red Sox and Bruins home games in Dolby Digital 5.1 > Surround Sound since 2004. Since I still have an analog TV, I'm not sure whether I get the digital surround sound. > > UMass telecasts for the most part are low budget remote productions. > UMass is a tough sell in the Boston market especially on the radio side. > > WEEI owns the broadcast rights for UMass but the games are only fed to > WWEI in Springfield and WVEI-AM in Worcester. > > http://www.masslive.com/umass/index.ssf/2012/06/1055_fm_wwei_springfield_talks.html > > Entercom does put UMass games on WATD Marshfield but that signal is > hit or miss north of Quincy. Here in Brookline, my livingroom stereo is the only station at home that I can hear it on, and that's with a lot of noise. In my car, I can get WATD rather well. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 8 00:37:44 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:37:44 -0400 Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) In-Reply-To: <1349588483.24689.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20121004151658.70220@gmx.com> <506E6A56.1090400@attorneyross.com> <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> <7E8ABDF4-3A56-4B72-A754-58A4ADE293B1@me.com> <5070F599.4010001@attorneyross.com> <002a01cda43d$2ec0a5b0$8c41f110$@net> <50710064.1070403@attorneyross.com> <1349588483.24689.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50725898.7090303@attorneyross.com> On 10/7/2012 1:41 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Do you watch just UMass football games? I'll guess that the production > quality of those game broadcasts, even with UMass now in the MAC, > doesn't match that on ESPN or ESPN2. Yes, It's the only football I follow. In past years some UMass games were on Comcast Sports Net. Now that UMass has moved to the Mid-America Conference, games are on one of the ESPN networks, one to which I'm not subscribed. One such game this year was on Channel 5 for some reason, but I watched it on the bedroom TV. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 15:22:26 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:22:26 -0400 Subject: 1510 is now WUFC Message-ID: WWZN is no more as 1510 has switched to WUFC as of October 4th The only sports connection is Ultimate Fighting Championship From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 15:41:46 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:41:46 -0400 Subject: 1510 is now WUFC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes while I thought of that I was wondering why those were picked (other than ultimate fighting). Nothing about NBC Sports or sports in general. I think the ESPN-on-FM in the Hartford area got the calls WUCS and some wondered if they'd carry some college sports (Univ of Conn. Sports?) Well those two sets of calls each have three letters in common. They still have a site that only says "This Is My Site/Site Description". How hard is it to throw on a bare bones site with at least a schedule? On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WWZN is no more as 1510 has switched to WUFC as of October 4th > > The only sports connection is Ultimate Fighting Championship From hmglaz@att.net Thu Oct 11 22:23:48 2012 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1510 is now WUFC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1350008628.32270.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> WUCS Windsor Locks/Hartford identifies as Ultimate Connecticut Sports at the top of the hour. UFC=Ultimate Fan Channel?? UConn sports would have been a nice "get" for WUCS, but UConn seems happy to be on the 1080 blowtorch, elderly demographics and all. A move to 97.9 would be problematic, anyway, as the station's antenna pattern is hemmed in severely by 97.9 in New York City, 98.1 in Providence, 97.7 in Norwich and even 97.5 in Norwalk. It doesn't get down to New Haven or out west to Waterbury very well, if at all -- that's a lot of UConn alums and fans to be cutting off. I'd imagine the ad agencies will get their way and CBS Radio will have to push WTIC(AM) onto FM to keep the station billing the way the suits want to see it billing, but right now it's hard to imagine where that might be, with WRCH, WZMX and WTIC-FM all doing well.? Howard From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Oct 12 02:20:02 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Your radio presets? Message-ID: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in nowadays?? Here go mine.? AM: 660, 740 (hi, Bob), 850, 1030, 1200 (couldn't find another station to slot in here, really), 1510 (also used to switch to 1500 for sports at night). FM1 (I call this my "music" bank): 92.9, 94.5, 97.7, 100.7 (used to surf to 101.7), 104.1 (used to surf to 103.3), 107.9. FM2 (news/talk "bank"): 89.7, 90.9, 93.7, 96.9, 98.5, 103.7. I live in East Bridgewater, so depending on where I am around town, I flip between WEEI-FM and WVEI-FM. Also, I'm pretty meticulous about having my presets lowest to highest. I have a feeling I may be alone on that. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 04:09:16 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 01:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1350029356.91865.YahooMailNeo@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> AM - 850, 680, 1030, 790 (left over from when it was True Oldies), 1200 (left over from talk), 830 FM 1 - 102.5, 101.5, 105.7, 93.7, 98.1, 98.5 FM 2 - 101.7, 104.1 (left from when WBCN had the Pats), 99.1, 97.5, 104.9, 106.7 I recently replaced 103.3 with 101.5 on FM 1 and 101.5 with 101.7 on FM 2 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Oct 12 08:28:49 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:28:49 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101cda875$25f64930$71e2db90$@ma@comcast.net> I recently bought a new car that has a Sony radio with factory-installed Sirius/XM. There are 10 presets for AM, 20 for FM, and a whopping 30 for Sirius/XM. It's total overkill. Out of 50 presets, I seldom remember where I have programmed a station to appear, and I end up turning the tuning knob instead of using the presets. :) >I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in nowadays?? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Oct 12 09:58:39 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:58:39 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <006101cda875$25f64930$71e2db90$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <695ECF56058A42DC8D73FDF161338773@SatU205S5044> 10 + 20 + 30 = 60--NOT the 50 you mentioned. 60 is 20% more confusing than 50 (assuming that the confusion is directly proportional to the number of presets). The confusion might actually be more than directly proportional to the number of presets. In the electronics biz, the user-interface problem is referred to as creeping elegance. If some are good, more must be better. Too many are better than too few. And so on. Definitely NOT true, but find a software engineer who designs user interfaces and doesn't believe these stupid axioms. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:28 AM Subject: RE: Your radio presets? >I recently bought a new car that has a Sony radio with factory-installed > Sirius/XM. There are 10 presets for AM, 20 for FM, and a whopping 30 for > Sirius/XM. It's total overkill. Out of 50 presets, I seldom remember where > I > have programmed a station to appear, and I end up turning the tuning knob > instead of using the presets. :) > > >>I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering > with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in > nowadays? > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Oct 12 12:24:29 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:24:29 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5078443D.1070201@donnahalper.com> On 10/12/2012 2:20 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in nowadays? > I admit to having pre-sets on my satellite radio, but it's not instead of terrestrial-- it's in addition to. On my car radio, I mainly listen to the following terrestrial stations-- both WEEI and the Sports Hub; classic rock WZLX; both top-40s (Kiss 108 and the new Amp 103.3) so that I can keep up with the hits many of my students like (they all claim they love alternative music, but they mainly quote from pop artists); WBZ Radio (of course) and both WBUR and WGBH. As for my satellite, since there is no longer any progressive talk on the broadcast band here, I listen to the audio from MSNBC and I listen to XM 127 Left (btw, I have always found it odd that the corresponding channel for the righties is not called XM Right, but rather, XM Patriot... as if the rest of us are not patriotic?????). I also listen to POTUS 124 (the channel that gives reports on presidential politics, speeches the candidates gave, events they went to, etc. Totally bi-partisan, with good commentators from both sides). And when I'm in the mood for oldies from various decades, I punch back and forth over the 50s channel, the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and Classic Rewind (which plays a lot of tracks you can't hear on classic rockers with tight playlists). From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Oct 12 19:14:13 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:14:13 -0400 Subject: Christmas comes early in Yakima Message-ID: This has to be the earliest yet. KYXE-FM in Yakima flipped to Christmas on October 10th http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2012/10/11/too-early-one-radio-station-is-playing-christmas-music-now/ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Oct 12 20:29:43 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:29:43 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <5078443D.1070201@donnahalper.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5078443D.1070201@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: 680,740,850 ESPN... 970 (Dennis Miller from Portland),1030, NBC Sports 1510. 88.5 for XM, 91.7 WMWM, 93.7,98.5,102.5, 104.9..2nd: 92.5,96.9, 97.5, 100.7 105.7 106.7. On XM 60s 70s Willie's place blues Fox news channel, Fox Talk, MLB, some country On Friday, October 12, 2012, Donna Halper wrote: > On 10/12/2012 2:20 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in nowadays? >> > > I admit to having pre-sets on my satellite radio, but it's not instead of terrestrial-- it's in addition to. On my car radio, I mainly listen to the following terrestrial stations-- both WEEI and the Sports Hub; classic rock WZLX; both top-40s (Kiss 108 and the new Amp 103.3) so that I can keep up with the hits many of my students like (they all claim they love alternative music, but they mainly quote from pop artists); WBZ Radio (of course) and both WBUR and WGBH. As for my satellite, since there is no longer any progressive talk on the broadcast band here, I listen to the audio from MSNBC and I listen to XM 127 Left (btw, I have always found it odd that the corresponding channel for the righties is not called XM Right, but rather, XM Patriot... as if the rest of us are not patriotic?????). I also listen to POTUS 124 (the channel that gives reports on presidential politics, speeches the candidates gave, events they went to, etc. Totally bi-partisan, with good commentators from both sides). And when I'm in the mood for oldies from various decades, I punch back and forth over the 50s channel, the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and Classic Rewind (which plays a lot of tracks you can't hear on classic rockers with tight playlists). > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 12 20:50:19 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:50:19 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20600.47819.423910.130961@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but > wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks > have punched in nowadays?? Well, none of my broadcast presets have changed, since I didn't listen to the stations that flipped anyway. The only presets I use are: AM 1030 FM1 88.1 89.7 92.5 94.9 96.5 98.5 FM2 don't even remember what's on here XM1 8 9 33 10 14 NHL-barker-channel XM2 ? I generally keep XM2 tuned to BBC World Service and don't use the presets. I recently bought a floor-model Tivoli NetWorks, which is certainly not the best "Internet radio" you can buy, but it was something of an impulse purchase and I waited too long to be able to return it. The presets on that are: 1: (whatever it came with) 2: BBC World Service for North America (now like Africa except interstitials) 3: WMVY (came this way) 4: BBC Radio 4 5: BBC Radio 4 Extra I keep the unit in my bedroom, which means that I no longer listen to WBUR overnight (especially since they replaced two of the BBC hours I used to listen to with boring PRX documentaries). WGBH is only for Saturday evenings. -GAWollman From mward@iname.com Fri Oct 12 20:16:21 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:16:21 -0400 Subject: Christmas comes early in Yakima In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe the station is brand new, so it's "flipping" from...dead air. Still too early, though, even though it gets them some attention... On Oct 12, 2012 8:13 PM, "Kevin Vahey" wrote: > This has to be the earliest yet. KYXE-FM in Yakima flipped to Christmas on > October 10th > > > http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2012/10/11/too-early-one-radio-station-is-playing-christmas-music-now/ > From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 00:45:07 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Your radio presets? Message-ID: <4039851.1350103508023.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My car stereo has three banks of FM presets, plus I use a portable HD radio via an FM transponder. AM: 680, 740, 980, 1030, 1090, 1470, 1510 AM notes: I very rarely listen to 680. I like the "Beatles and Before" oldies format on late nights and weekends on 980. Compressed '60s oldies with somewhat staticey and muddy AM reception on 980 around Boston is the last remainder of the sound of AM radio from my youth in the area. The CRI "shuffle" music format sometimes on 1090 plays interestingly odd sets of music occasionally. 1470 is for the occasional song I may want to hear on the "Music of Your Life" format at night, though 740 is much better for standards and soft oldies. 1510 is left over from the progressive talk format, though I didn't listen to that often either. FM1: 88.1, 88.9, 90.3, 90.9, 91.5, 91.9 FM1 notes: If in range, I occasionally listen to 91.7 WMWM one manual tune bump from 91.5 or 91.9. FM2: 92.5, 92.9, 95.3, 95.9, 97.7, 100.1 FM2 notes: Can't hear 100.1 WBRS east of Newton or Watertown anymore due to a Carribean pirate in the Boston inner city. FM3: 100.7, 101.7, 104.9, 105.7, 106.7, 107.3 HD subchannels: 94.5 HD2, 98.5 HD2, 100.7 HD2, 100.7 HD3, 103.3 HD2, 105.7 HD2 EP From markwa1ion@aol.com Sat Oct 13 20:52:40 2012 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Your radio presets? Message-ID: <8CF77BD58D7DB0A-A34-4220A@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> AM: 740, 950 (for Irish shows), 980 (night oldies), 1030, 1260, 1470 FM1 (metro-Boston): 92.9, 100.7, 102.5, 104.1, 105.7, 106.7 FM2 (Cape Cod / metro-south): 92.1, 92.7 or 93.5, 95.9, 99.1, 99.9, 101.1 92.7/93.5 is swapped to 96.3 during Red Sox season or to 95.1 for Patriots FM3 (Cape Cod / metro-south): 101.9, 102.3, 102.9, 103.9, 104.7, 106.1 Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Oct 20 05:57:37 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:57:37 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM W291CC Message-ID: <713B0C98EF2840A49737D1D256903E2D@chrisHP> I have been listening to a lot of WNBP-FM lately and after tonight I understand why the station sounds so good. Early this morning I was TV channel surfing and came upon a Time-Life Infomercial called Revolution...Hits of the 60?s. .... Over time you forget just how much dated and bad music there was in the 60?s. Protest songs and just plain ridiculous crap such as My Belle Ami and others that seems to make no sense at all. As someone that grew up during the period looking back makes you realize how ridiculous most of the flower power peacenik stuff was....pretty embarrassing. On the other hand WNBP seems to have honed in on best of the best playing only up-tempo feel good songs from the 50?s and 60?s that still sound fresh and timeless. All the greats and ballads and none of the dreck. There was a lot of great music, whoever came up with the list is as on target as you can possibly get. From supersport@maine.rr.com Fri Oct 5 19:55:45 2012 From: supersport@maine.rr.com (Supersport) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:55:45 -0400 Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <225837C1553B483AAFF690E16BBDC4E8@vpr1> ...and stepping on/interfering with the 8 year old "Portsmouth Community Radio - WSCA-LP" (100 Watts) out of Portsmouth just beyond the toll booths on Route 95 until you are literally around Exit 5 in Portsmouth, NH. I must say for 90 Watts, the signal is very impressive! SS -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hall [mailto:chris2526@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:27 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC On a drive down to Essex today I had the pleasure of listening to the new WNBP-FM, very well programmed local radio at its best. The new signal is listenable from the junction of I-495 and Route 213 in Methuen all the way to Restaurant Row in Essex with a few areas of co-channel garbage in Rowley and Ipswich.....not bad for 90 watts. The announcement seems to be a change to "The Legends" a late 50's and predominantly 60's based oldies format which is extremely well done. Audio is excellent, a touch over compressed for my taste but I understand why they are doing it just trying to get the most out of their RF signal and are doing an excellent job. NBC News on the hour, even though the signal is a bit challenged across the boarder in Salem. Just reset one of my long wasted FM push buttons to 106.1 to enjoy this wonderful station where I can. From jlb7184@aol.com Sat Oct 6 12:37:07 2012 From: jlb7184@aol.com (jlb7184@aol.com) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:37:07 -0400 Subject: WXTK 95.1 Message-ID: Speaking of WXTK, they have been running in mono for a few months now. I have noticed a big improvement in signal quieting along Route 3 on the South shore, making it usable well past Rockland now. John Bellerose Hyannis Port Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: >Send Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list submissions to > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > boston-radio-interest-owner@lists.BostonRadio.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Boston-Radio-Interest digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Don) > 2. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Bob Nelson) > 3. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Bob Nelson) > 4. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Bob Nelson) > 5. [B-R-I] Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) > 6. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (John Francini) > 7. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (Thomas Heathwood) > 8. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Mike Ward) > 9. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (Peter Murray) > 10. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (A Joseph Ross) > 11. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (A Joseph Ross) > 12. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (A Joseph Ross) > 13. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (A Joseph Ross) > 14. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > (Bob DeMattia) > 15. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Sean Smyth) > 16. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Bob Nelson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:50:48 -0400 >From: "Don" >To: "B-R-I" >Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:24:33 -0400 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "A Joseph Ross" , > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >Message-ID: <20121005182434.98420@gmx.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and > sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have actual NBC personalities on there. > > I believe Premiere has "Fox Sports Radio" which does have the Fox name and "music" but I don't know for sure if they're actually run by Fox (probably not) or have Fox TV sports personalities. Tom Looney of the JT The Brick show refers to NFL games as running on Fox TV, aka "The Big Fox". > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:06:30 -0400 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Mike Ward" >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Ward >Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM >To: Bob Nelson >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > > On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: > > I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one > > of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) > As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... > You are correct. > Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:20:56 -0400 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Don" , "B-R-I" > >Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >Message-ID: <20121005182057.98410@gmx.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >I believe so, maybe on the same hill as the WNEF stick. A little west of Cider Hill Farm, just south of the NH border etc >----- Original Message ----- >From: Don >Sent: 10/05/12 12:50 PM >To: B-R-I >Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC > > And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:44:13 +0000 >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: Boston Radio Interest > >Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >Message-ID: <506F2A7D.9010303@Gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >Don wrote, > > > And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? > >Yup, apparently on WNEF-91.7?s stick: > > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=FN42mu77ms&t=m > > ~Kaimbridge~ > >-- -- -- > Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:38:08 -0400 >From: John Francini >To: "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Radio" > >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. > >On WEEI, all the single-channel announcers simply sounded 50% softer than the primary announcer (who did the intro and exit). > >j > > >On 5 Oct 2012, at 15:06, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike Ward >> Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM >> To: Bob Nelson >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> >> On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: >>> I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >>> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) >> As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... >> You are correct. >> Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:45:59 -0400 >From: "Thomas Heathwood" >To: , "Bob Nelson" > >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >I would rather have seen both sites continue with the well-developed WEEI (AM) schedule of personalities and events. Then coverage wouldn't have been a pressing problem. <> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Nelson > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:16 AM > Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) > > > http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 > > T http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 hat is the five minute or so loop WEEI 850 is now running in advance of the split to occur tomorrow morning at 6 > (though technically both 850 and 93.7 will have overnight ESPN programming). Response to the announcement on > WEEI's facebook has some saying it's great but some others complain they can't quite get the 93.7 signal. It's > explained the other stations like 103.7 in RI, 95.9 and 95.5 up in Maine, etc. should help. One person says she > works at Logan and could get 850 but not 93.7. (Surprised a bit...I know there can be problems, but...) > > I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will > get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one > of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) > > The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there are phone apps, etc. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:33:35 -0400 >From: Mike Ward >To: Bob Nelson >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports >> talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... > > >Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from >easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. > >I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:15:27 -0400 >From: Peter Murray >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mike Ward wrote: >> >> Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from >> easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. >> >> I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... > >106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >(though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >Sports Radio Network format. > >I don't know if their HD-Radio streams are processed in stereo or not. >Given the number of streams they're offering with the limited digital >bandwidth, it would seem prudent to stick with mono there too. > >-Peter > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:42:38 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: Bob Nelson >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >Message-ID: <506FA8AE.9050607@attorneyross.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >On 10/5/2012 2:24 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off >> the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio >> brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and >> sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have >> actual NBC personalities on there. > >So is NBC radio once again connected with NBC television? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:46:32 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > >> 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >> Sports Radio Network format. > >Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President >Kennedy? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:41:16 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: Kevin Vahey >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 10/5/2012 2:49 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Football in FM stereo is awesome. That is the reason the Pats moved to >> WBCN in the first place. >> >> WBZ-FM mixes home Bruins games in stereo as well but road games they >> are stuck. > >What about TV games? They could be done in stereo, couldn't they? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:44:30 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: <506FA91E.9040009@attorneyross.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 10/5/2012 3:38 PM, John Francini wrote: > >> And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. > >Come to think of it, stereo could be used for political ads, comparing >their own candidate on one channel with the opposing candidate on the other. > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 08:20:05 -0400 >From: Bob DeMattia >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >For what it's worth, Wikipedia says it's named for the president. > >-Bob > >On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:46 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >> >> 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >>> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >>> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >>> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >>> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >>> Sports Radio Network format. >>> >> >> Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President >> Kennedy? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:07:17 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sean Smyth >To: "kvahey@gmail.com" , "joe@attorneyross.com" > >Cc: "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org" > >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: > <1349525237.87002.androidMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >They have been for many years. > >------ >Sent from my mobile phone. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 16 >Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:57:16 -0400 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Bob DeMattia" , > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >Message-ID: <20121006135716.98380@gmx.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >At one point 94.9 on the Cape (now WXTK 95.1) had the calls WJFK I believe (the whole Hyannisport connection). I think they also were WSOX-FM--had rights to Red Sox--at another time > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list >Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > > >End of Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 250 >****************************************************** From stouges3@comcast.net Mon Oct 8 16:15:51 2012 From: stouges3@comcast.net (stouges3@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: HOUR TONE ON CBS RADIO In-Reply-To: <2125232702.2516989.1349113643892.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello : ? My name is? Bill Dailey this the very 1st time that I am writeing to you in regrards to a distinct tone at teh top of the hour meaning? 1:00 pm 2:00 pm 3:00 pm etc . I have heard that distinct tone at the top of the? hour ? on? CBS? TV & CBS RADIO Networks . I have not heard that distinct tone on CBS TV??from 1973? till the present time??? ?but still hear it on the CBS RADIO Network . That tone must go back 60 years. i know that people had radios but they had no clock radio maybe thats the reason? but you still get that tone at the top of the hour foe cbs radio network news . use to be on from the yop of the hour to 6 min past each hour? not its the top? of each hour to 3 min past eash hour can you give me any help? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Bill Dailey From seth@upsidemedia.com Fri Oct 12 10:53:51 2012 From: seth@upsidemedia.com (Upsidemedia) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: AM: 1010, 1030, 1130, 880 FM1: 88.1, 90.3, 90.9, 91.7, 95.3 FM2: 89.3, 90.7, 91.1 XM-Sirius: CNN, BBC, Underground Garage, First Wave, XMU, Verge That's it. I have a lot if unused slots. Dropped after 2008, when I got this current vehicle: 101.7, 88.9, 89.7, 640am Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have punched in nowadays? > > Here go mine. > > AM: 660, 740 (hi, Bob), 850, 1030, 1200 (couldn't find another station to slot in here, really), 1510 (also used to switch to 1500 for sports at night). > > FM1 (I call this my "music" bank): 92.9, 94.5, 97.7, 100.7 (used to surf to 101.7), 104.1 (used to surf to 103.3), 107.9. > > FM2 (news/talk "bank"): 89.7, 90.9, 93.7, 96.9, 98.5, 103.7. I live in East Bridgewater, so depending on where I am around town, I flip between WEEI-FM and WVEI-FM. > > Also, I'm pretty meticulous about having my presets lowest to highest. I have a feeling I may be alone on that. > From lglavin@mail.com Sat Oct 20 16:24:22 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:24:22 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? Message-ID: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> C-Span has been rife with Senatorial and Gubernatorial debates lately (House Members too?). I happened to notice a debate for Governor of NH, and also that the source was NOT WMUR-TV, but WBIN-TV. And the "bug" at the lower right-hand corner of the screen read "WBIN-TV 18". WBIN-TV's PSIP channel is 50; its RF channel is 35. Its only connection to the number 18 is its space on the Comcast channel lineup where I live. Does EVERY cable carrier if there are any others besides Comcast to offer WBIN-TV slot it at channel 18? How about RCN or Dish? I even checked out WBIN-TV on my table TV receiving over-the-air TV with a digital-to-analog box and indoor powered antenna, and the station does seem to identify itself as 18. But there's an actual RF channel 18 in the area. I thought the FCC set up the PSIP system so stations could coast on the reputation of their longtime analog channels after the big switch. Here, WBIN-TV seems to be doing neither. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Oct 20 22:25:41 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:25:41 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> Message-ID: Years ago when staying in the Burlington VT area I would see IDs for WVNY-TV 22 and it would say "WVNY TV 22, Cable 4" which seemed to be where most cable systems placed it. The latter not part of an official legal ID of course, more of impressing it in people's memories. Wikipedia entry for the station: "The station can also be seen on Time Warner Cable, Charter, and Comcast channel 4." On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > C-Span has been rife with Senatorial and Gubernatorial debates lately (House Members too?). I happened to notice a > debate for Governor of NH, and also that the source was NOT WMUR-TV, but WBIN-TV. And the "bug" at the > lower right-hand corner of the screen read "WBIN-TV 18" From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Oct 20 23:23:01 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:23:01 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Years ago when staying in the Burlington VT area I would see IDs for > WVNY-TV 22 and > it would say "WVNY TV 22, Cable 4" which seemed to be where most cable > systems placed > it. The latter not part of an official legal ID of course, more of > impressing it in people's memories. The rule in Canada was (and so far as I know still is) that stations *must not* be placed on the same channel on cable systems as they are over the air. In the days of analog cable, there was a lot of leakage, and broadcast stations (particularly VHF stations), if placed on their broadcast channels, would receive objectionable ingress interference from their over-the-air transmitters. (It worked the same way here, too, except that some stations could demand to be on the same channel despite the interference. In many cases, the stations were given two analog cable channels -- one for customers without boxes, with all the ingress, and one for customers with boxes, which would be remapped to the same number.) So, in markets with close-in VHF TV transmitters, typically the VHF cable channels that corresponded to local broadcast stations would be relegated to low-value programming like public access, barker channels, and suchlike. Another cable channel with a similar issue was channel 19, where many VHF two-way operators were licensed; when I lived in downtown Burlington, channel 19 had severe interference from the taxi stand just down the block from my apartment. (So of course Adelphia put CBMT on that channel, figuring that there were not enough of us complaining about the interference to matter to their bottom line. They had previously been on channel 6, but were "kicked upstairs" during a reshuffle in the early 1990s.) There are a number of U.S. stations which identify exclusively by their cable channel position; KNSD in San Diego is a notable one. On the Canadian side, it was very common for stations to identify with both broadcast and cable position; "CFCF 12, cable 11" is burned into my memory. And of course Global chose CIII-TV for their nominal Ontario flagship in reference to its cable channel position in most of the province -- the actual broadcast channel for the main transmitter (at Paris, Ontario) was 6. (It's still on channel 6 there, but CIII-DT-41 in Toronto is now the licensed primary station.) -GAWollman From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Oct 20 23:21:09 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1350789669.80423.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin writes: > C-Span has been rife with Senatorial and Gubernatorial debates lately (House > Members too?). I happened to notice a > debate for Governor of NH, and also that the source was NOT WMUR-TV, but > WBIN-TV. And the "bug" at the > lower right-hand corner of the screen read "WBIN-TV 18". WBIN-TV's > PSIP channel is 50; its RF channel is 35. > Its only connection to the number 18 is its space on the Comcast channel lineup > where I live. Does EVERY > cable carrier if there are any others besides Comcast to offer WBIN-TV slot it > at channel 18? How about RCN or > Dish? I even checked out WBIN-TV on my table TV receiving over-the-air TV with a > digital-to-analog box and > indoor powered antenna, and the station does seem to identify itself as 18. But > there's an actual RF channel 18 > in the area. I thought the FCC set up the PSIP system so stations could coast on > the reputation of their longtime analog channels > after the big switch. Here, WBIN-TV seems to be doing neither. How much of their audience views programming through cable? North of 80 percent? The legacy channel number here means squat (also means people may run away from the programming). From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 21 00:08:45 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:08:45 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5083754D.6080404@attorneyross.com> On 10/20/2012 11:23 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The rule in Canada was (and so far as I know still is) that stations > *must not* be placed on the same channel on cable systems as they are > over the air. In the days of analog cable, there was a lot of > leakage, and broadcast stations (particularly VHF stations), if placed > on their broadcast channels, would receive objectionable ingress > interference from their over-the-air transmitters. (It worked the > same way here, too, except that some stations could demand to be on > the same channel despite the interference. In many cases, the > stations were given two analog cable channels -- one for customers > without boxes, with all the ingress, and one for customers with boxes, > which would be remapped to the same number.) When I first got cable TV, I used to get ingress on the major VHF stations, which had cable channel numbers which coincided with over-the-air channels. It seemed particularly bad on 2 and 4 for some reason. Those stations never got a second channel number, so I had to put up with the interference, until Cablevision engineers managed to improve the system so that they didn't get that as much. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Oct 21 01:09:17 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:09:17 -0400 Subject: HOUR TONE ON CBS RADIO In-Reply-To: <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2125232702.2516989.1349113643892.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The TV tone sounded like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okzwpiDBhy8&feature=plcp radio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okzwpiDBhy8&feature=plcp On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, wrote: > > > > > Hello : > > > > My name is Bill Dailey this the very 1st time that I am writeing to you in regrards to a distinct tone at teh top of the hour meaning 1:00 pm 2:00 pm 3:00 pm etc . I have heard that distinct tone at the top of the hour > > > > on CBS TV & CBS RADIO Networks . I have not heard that distinct tone on CBS TV from 1973 till the present time but still hear it on the CBS RADIO Network . That tone must go back 60 years. > > > > i know that people had radios but they had no clock radio maybe thats the reason but you still get that tone at the top of the hour foe cbs radio network news . use to be on from the yop of the hour to 6 min past each hour not its the top of each hour to 3 min past eash hour can you give me any help? > > > > > > Bill Dailey From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 21 00:10:35 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:10:35 -0400 Subject: HOUR TONE ON CBS RADIO In-Reply-To: <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <508375BB.3030809@attorneyross.com> On 10/8/2012 4:15 PM, stouges3@comcast.net wrote: > i know that people had radios but they had no clock radio maybe thats the reason but you still get that tone at the top of the hour foe cbs radio network news . use to be on from the yop of the hour to 6 min past each hour not its the top of each hour to 3 min past eash hour can you give me any help? I always thought the tone was in order to set your watch. I began setting clocks by the WBZ tone back in high school, and I still do. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Oct 21 00:40:50 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:40:50 -0400 Subject: MundoFox arrives on cable Message-ID: <50837CD2.1060304@gabrielmass.com> The MundoFox outlet in Boston WFXZ-CD 24 has been on the air for a few weeks (in glorious analog, man) but only arrived on Comcast a few days ago. Here it's channel 300 (despite what it says on the MundoFox web site). --RC From scott@fybush.com Sun Oct 21 01:17:35 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:17:35 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5083856F.2040903@fybush.com> It appears someone on Wikipedia has changed the WBIN article to claim they're now using "18" as their virtual channel over the air. I don't believe this to be true, but I'm 350 miles too far away to check. Anyone within range able to confirm that they're still "50.x"? s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Oct 21 02:35:44 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 02:35:44 -0400 Subject: WXTK 95.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57D412CF-DAB0-4B43-98F4-1FEDB81D0D9D@comcast.net> WXTK has been in mono for years, not months... Ever since Boch sold it to Qantum. Jeff Lehmann On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "jlb7184@aol.com" wrote: > Speaking of WXTK, they have been running in mono for a few months now. I have noticed a big improvement in signal quieting along Route 3 on the South shore, making it usable well past Rockland now. > > > John Bellerose > Hyannis Port > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: > >> Send Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list submissions to >> boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> boston-radio-interest-owner@lists.BostonRadio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Boston-Radio-Interest digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Don) >> 2. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Bob Nelson) >> 3. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Bob Nelson) >> 4. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Bob Nelson) >> 5. [B-R-I] Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) >> 6. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (John Francini) >> 7. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (Thomas Heathwood) >> 8. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Mike Ward) >> 9. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (Peter Murray) >> 10. Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC (A Joseph Ross) >> 11. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (A Joseph Ross) >> 12. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (A Joseph Ross) >> 13. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (A Joseph Ross) >> 14. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> (Bob DeMattia) >> 15. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Sean Smyth) >> 16. Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) (Bob Nelson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:50:48 -0400 >> From: "Don" >> To: "B-R-I" >> Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:24:33 -0400 >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "A Joseph Ross" , >> boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> Message-ID: <20121005182434.98420@gmx.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and >> sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have actual NBC personalities on there. >> >> I believe Premiere has "Fox Sports Radio" which does have the Fox name and "music" but I don't know for sure if they're actually run by Fox (probably not) or have Fox TV sports personalities. Tom Looney of the JT The Brick show refers to NFL games as running on Fox TV, aka "The Big Fox". >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:06:30 -0400 >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Mike Ward" >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: <20121005190630.98400@gmx.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike Ward >> Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM >> To: Bob Nelson >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> >> On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: >>> I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >>> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) >> As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... >> You are correct. >> Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:20:56 -0400 >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Don" , "B-R-I" >> >> Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> Message-ID: <20121005182057.98410@gmx.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I believe so, maybe on the same hill as the WNEF stick. A little west of Cider Hill Farm, just south of the NH border etc >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Don >> Sent: 10/05/12 12:50 PM >> To: B-R-I >> Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> >> And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:44:13 +0000 >> From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >> To: Boston Radio Interest >> >> Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> Message-ID: <506F2A7D.9010303@Gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Don wrote, >> >>> And the antenna for W291CC is in Amesbury? >> >> Yup, apparently on WNEF-91.7?s stick: >> >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=FN42mu77ms&t=m >> >> ~Kaimbridge~ >> >> -- -- -- >> Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: >> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge >> >> ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:38:08 -0400 >> From: John Francini >> To: "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Radio" >> >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. >> >> On WEEI, all the single-channel announcers simply sounded 50% softer than the primary announcer (who did the intro and exit). >> >> j >> >> >> On 5 Oct 2012, at 15:06, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >>> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mike Ward >>> Sent: 10/04/12 11:38 PM >>> To: Bob Nelson >>> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM, "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@mail.com > wrote: >>>> I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >>>> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) >>> As the closest BRI poster to the WNIR transmitter... >>> You are correct. >>> Oddly enough, the CBS Radio "brother" station here to the Sports Hub, 92.3 The Fan, is in stereo. Is the Sports Hub in stereo? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:45:59 -0400 >> From: "Thomas Heathwood" >> To: , "Bob Nelson" >> >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I would rather have seen both sites continue with the well-developed WEEI (AM) schedule of personalities and events. Then coverage wouldn't have been a pressing problem. <> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bob Nelson >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:16 AM >> Subject: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> >> >> http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 >> >> T http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/850loop.mp3 hat is the five minute or so loop WEEI 850 is now running in advance of the split to occur tomorrow morning at 6 >> (though technically both 850 and 93.7 will have overnight ESPN programming). Response to the announcement on >> WEEI's facebook has some saying it's great but some others complain they can't quite get the 93.7 signal. It's >> explained the other stations like 103.7 in RI, 95.9 and 95.5 up in Maine, etc. should help. One person says she >> works at Logan and could get 850 but not 93.7. (Surprised a bit...I know there can be problems, but...) >> >> I explained why this is happening. One person asked why 93.7 is in mono and I said the signal's fringe areas will >> get little or no "drift" if it's in mono. I mentioned WNIR 100.1 in Akron OH does this (a talk station, and I believe one >> of their hosts is Bob Golic, brother of Mike Golic from "Mike and Mike" on ESPN Radio) >> >> The loop says 97.7 and 107.3's HD=2 signals will have regular WEEI; there are phone apps, etc. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:33:35 -0400 >> From: Mike Ward >> To: Bob Nelson >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >>> Yes, 98.5 WBZ-FM is in stereo. Not just for Patriots games but for sports >>> talk, as I just checked when I turned on my stereo here... >> >> >> Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from >> easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. >> >> I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:15:27 -0400 >> From: Peter Murray >> To: Boston Radio Group >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mike Ward wrote: >>> >>> Unlike 98.5, 92.3 here is a station that could benefit from >>> easier-to-listen fringes as a result of going mono. >>> >>> I wonder if all the CBS Radio FM sports talkers are in stereo... >> >> 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >> Sports Radio Network format. >> >> I don't know if their HD-Radio streams are processed in stereo or not. >> Given the number of streams they're offering with the limited digital >> bandwidth, it would seem prudent to stick with mono there too. >> >> -Peter >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:42:38 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: Bob Nelson >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: WNBP-FM 106.1 W291CC >> Message-ID: <506FA8AE.9050607@attorneyross.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> On 10/5/2012 2:24 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >>> Dial Global re-launched the NBC NewsRadio brand when they killed off >>> the CNN brand, as Paul said, and there's also the new NBCSportsRadio >>> brand which debuted on WWZN 1510 on Labor Day. 1510 runs both news and >>> sports updates from NBC. For all I know they may or may not have >>> actual NBC personalities on there. >> >> So is NBC radio once again connected with NBC television? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:46:32 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: <506FA998.1020506@attorneyross.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >> >>> 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >>> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >>> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >>> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >>> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >>> Sports Radio Network format. >> >> Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President >> Kennedy? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:41:16 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: Kevin Vahey >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: <506FA85C.4050907@attorneyross.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 10/5/2012 2:49 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> Football in FM stereo is awesome. That is the reason the Pats moved to >>> WBCN in the first place. >>> >>> WBZ-FM mixes home Bruins games in stereo as well but road games they >>> are stuck. >> >> What about TV games? They could be done in stereo, couldn't they? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:44:30 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: <506FA91E.9040009@attorneyross.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 10/5/2012 3:38 PM, John Francini wrote: >> >>> And on occasion the lack of stereo is rather telling. Both WEEI and WBZ-FM both ran some ads for BMW which compared the 325i to models from Lexus and Audi. They used the left channel for the competing models' announcers, with the right channel for the BMW response to their features. Both channels were hard-panned left and right. Made the point quite clearly. >> >> Come to think of it, stereo could be used for political ads, comparing >> their own candidate on one channel with the opposing candidate on the other. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 08:20:05 -0400 >> From: Bob DeMattia >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> For what it's worth, Wikipedia says it's named for the president. >> >> -Bob >> >> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:46 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: >> >>> On 10/5/2012 5:15 PM, Peter Murray wrote: >>> >>> 106.7 (WJFK - Manassas, VA) serves the DC area with a mono signal >>>> (though they also operate a HD-Radio quad-cast (WJFK on HD1, WJZ on >>>> HD2, and WFAN on HD3). They used to have WIP on HD4, but that is not >>>> present today. They are a CBS Radio-owned station that has been >>>> already running sports-talk - and will be making the change to the CBS >>>> Sports Radio Network format. >>> >>> Were the call letters a coincidence or was WJFK named after President >>> Kennedy? >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >>> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:07:17 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Sean Smyth >> To: "kvahey@gmail.com" , "joe@attorneyross.com" >> >> Cc: "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org" >> >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: >> <1349525237.87002.androidMobile@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> They have been for many years. >> >> ------ >> Sent from my mobile phone. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:57:16 -0400 >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Bob DeMattia" , >> boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: 850 runs loop in advance of split (to ESPN on AM) >> Message-ID: <20121006135716.98380@gmx.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> At one point 94.9 on the Cape (now WXTK 95.1) had the calls WJFK I believe (the whole Hyannisport connection). I think they also were WSOX-FM--had rights to Red Sox--at another time >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list >> Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest >> >> >> End of Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 250 >> ****************************************************** From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Oct 21 02:36:58 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 02:36:58 -0400 Subject: MundoFox arrives on cable In-Reply-To: <50837CD2.1060304@gabrielmass.com> References: <50837CD2.1060304@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <1173C92B-D97F-49EA-BB47-6075CB24947C@comcast.net> WFXZ is digital on channel 25 RF, PSIP 24.1. Aztec America is on 24.2, and infomercials on 24.3 and 24.4. Jeff Lehmann On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > The MundoFox outlet in Boston WFXZ-CD 24 has been on the air for a few weeks (in glorious analog, man) but only arrived on Comcast a few days ago. Here it's channel 300 (despite what it says on the MundoFox web site). > > --RC > > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sun Oct 21 09:35:29 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:35:29 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBIN-TV 18? Message-ID: <5083FA21.7050002@Gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote, > It appears someone on Wikipedia has changed the WBIN article > to claim they're now using "18" as their virtual channel over > the air. I don't believe this to be true, but I'm 350 miles > too far away to check. Anyone within range able to confirm > that they're still "50.x"? I don?t know about their OTA PSIP mapping (not receivable here) or TOH-ID (I just checked at 9am, and if the channel number WAS included, it was in real tiny print under the CALLs and disappeared too quick to read), but they are certainly promoting it as such (courtesy of their Facebook page): https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/402839_432972786749459_910782333_n.jpg https://fbcdn-vthumb-a.akamaihd.net/hvthumb-ak-prn1/s960x960%2F632664_3905499592073_3905474711451_17700_436_b.jpg Their FCC data page still lists them as virtual-50 (maybe they are applying for a virtual channel change...IF their IS such an option??). As for CATV channel assignment, they are most certainly NOT exclusively Ch.18!: http://www.wbintv.com/channel-guide.html ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sun Oct 21 09:44:03 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:44:03 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: MundoFox arrives on cable Message-ID: <5083FC23.6050903@Gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote, > The MundoFox outlet in Boston WFXZ-CD 24 has been on > the air for a few weeks (in glorious analog, man) but > only arrived on Comcast a few days ago. Here it's > channel 300 (despite what it says on the MundoFox web > site). Actually Ch.s 300 and 721. P=) ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wiki?Sites Contribution History Pages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge math.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From jimduffy75@gmail.com Sun Oct 21 10:51:14 2012 From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:51:14 -0400 Subject: WXTK in MONO Message-ID: <002601cdaf9b$8545aca0$8fd105e0$@com> Actually, WXTK went mono a few months after it signed on in 1992 at 94.9. I grew up just off the cape and people in this area will remember that 94.9 was the long time home of WOCB-FM. In 1997, WXTK moved to 95.1, which helped considerably because it no longer had interfeerance from WHOM. From scott@fybush.com Sun Oct 21 10:30:05 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:30:05 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <5083FA21.7050002@Gmail.com> References: <5083FA21.7050002@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <508406ED.9080302@fybush.com> On 10/21/2012 9:35 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Their FCC data page still lists them as virtual-50 (maybe they > are applying for a virtual channel change...IF their IS such > an option??). There is no such option. The only legal way in which WBIN could use a channel other than 50 as its major channel number would be if it were co-owned with another station and used that station's major channel number instead. If, say, WCVB were to buy WBIN, WBIN could use "5.x" legally. > As for CATV channel assignment, they are most certainly NOT exclusively > Ch.18!: > > http://www.wbintv.com/channel-guide.html Not exclusively, no, but if you look at where the population is on that list, probably 80-85% of WBIN's cable audience sees it on "18," and that probably translates to somewhere better than 70% of WBIN's total potential audience. s From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Oct 21 17:42:33 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:42:33 -0400 Subject: MundoFox arrives on cable In-Reply-To: <1173C92B-D97F-49EA-BB47-6075CB24947C@comcast.net> References: <50837CD2.1060304@gabrielmass.com> <1173C92B-D97F-49EA-BB47-6075CB24947C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50846C49.8000300@gabrielmass.com> Thanks for updating my old info! It seemed odd that a network affiliate would be relying on must-carry for all their audience. -_RC On 10/21/2012 02:36 AM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > WFXZ is digital on channel 25 RF, PSIP 24.1. Aztec America is on 24.2, and infomercials on 24.3 and 24.4. > > Jeff Lehmann > > On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > >> The MundoFox outlet in Boston WFXZ-CD 24 has been on the air for a few weeks (in glorious analog, man) but only arrived on Comcast a few days ago. Here it's channel 300 (despite what it says on the MundoFox web site). >> >> - From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Oct 21 20:43:49 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:43:49 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: AM: 580 610 680 770 1030 1280 FM1: 93.3 101.5 102.5 105.3 105.7 106.7 (MA) FM2: 94.9 95.7 97.5 98.3 106.9 102.9 (NH) FM3: 89.7 90.9 96.9 99.5 100.7 106.3 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Upsidemedia wrote: > AM: 1010, 1030, 1130, 880 > > FM1: 88.1, 90.3, 90.9, 91.7, 95.3 > > FM2: 89.3, 90.7, 91.1 > > XM-Sirius: CNN, BBC, Underground Garage, First Wave, XMU, Verge > > That's it. I have a lot if unused slots. Dropped after 2008, when I got > this current vehicle: 101.7, 88.9, 89.7, 640am > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > > I know we go through this topic every number of years or so, but > wondering with all the relatively recent dial-shuffling what folks have > punched in nowadays? > > > > Here go mine. > > > > AM: 660, 740 (hi, Bob), 850, 1030, 1200 (couldn't find another station > to slot in here, really), 1510 (also used to switch to 1500 for sports at > night). > > > > FM1 (I call this my "music" bank): 92.9, 94.5, 97.7, 100.7 (used to surf > to 101.7), 104.1 (used to surf to 103.3), 107.9. > > > > FM2 (news/talk "bank"): 89.7, 90.9, 93.7, 96.9, 98.5, 103.7. I live in > East Bridgewater, so depending on where I am around town, I flip between > WEEI-FM and WVEI-FM. > > > > Also, I'm pretty meticulous about having my presets lowest to highest. I > have a feeling I may be alone on that. > > > > From hmglaz@att.net Mon Oct 22 16:39:11 2012 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Your radio presets? Message-ID: <1350938351.49671.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> AM: 850 and 1030, that's it for my Boston area trips. Three of the other four are 660,?1080 and 1410, for listening here in Connecticut, and the remaining one is unused. ? FM1: Strictly Connecticut: 102.9 WDRC-FM, 88.5 WFCR Amherst, 88.3 for my Sirius XM FM modulator, 102.1 WAQY Springfield, 97.9 WUCS Windsor Locks/Hartford, and 99.1 WPLR New Haven. ? FM2: Strictly Boston area: WUMB 91.9, WERS 88.9, 88.3 for Sirius XM, 101.7 WHBA Lynn/Boston (replaced WODS), 104.9 WBOQ Gloucester, and 99.5 WCRB Lowell/Boston. ? Howard ? From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Oct 22 21:31:12 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:31:12 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350938351.49671.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350938351.49671.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36F87416-FC8A-47ED-8852-4627A6087FE4@charter.net> OK, I'll jump in too. AM: WBZ 1030, WTAG 580, WCRN 830, WCAP 980, WEEI 850, WXKS 1200 FM: WXRV 92.5, WERS 88.9, WZBC 90.3, WBZ 98.5, WEEI 93.7, W287BT (WPKZ) 105.3 WBUR 90.9, WGBH 89.7, WBOS 92.9, WROR 105.7, WODS 103.3, WXKS 107.9 XM: SiriusXM U (35), The Spectrum (28), Alt Nation (36), Underground Garage (21), Electric Area (52), The Verge (152) First Wave (33), Deep Tracks (27), Classic Vinyl (26), The Loft (30), Soul Town (49), 60s on 6 (6) CNN (115), MLB Play-by-Play (89), MLB Talk (209), The Joint (42), ESPN (84), Raw Dog Comedy (99) Paul From hmglaz@att.net Mon Oct 22 21:43:33 2012 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <36F87416-FC8A-47ED-8852-4627A6087FE4@charter.net> Message-ID: <1350956613.35591.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In your XM presets, you indicate that you're getting MLB talk on 209 and MLB play-by-play on 89. I gather you're a Sirius subscriber because channel 209 isn't even part of the MLB channel allocation on XM; it's usually occupied by horse racing coverage or talk. I'm confused, though. I thought MLB isn't allowing Sirius XM to stream MLB play-by-play on both platforms unless it rewrites the old XM deal and ponies up more money and Sirius XM has refused to do so, therefore restricting all MLB PBP to XM subscribers only. What PBP are you hearing on 89? ? Howard --- On Mon, 10/22/12, Paul Anderson wrote: From: Paul Anderson Subject: Re: Your radio presets? To: "Howard Glazer" Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 9:31 PM OK, I'll jump in too. ? AM:? WBZ 1030, WTAG 580, WCRN 830, WCAP 980, WEEI 850, WXKS 1200 ? FM:? WXRV 92.5, WERS 88.9, WZBC 90.3, WBZ 98.5, WEEI 93.7, W287BT (WPKZ) 105.3 ? ? ???WBUR 90.9, WGBH 89.7, WBOS 92.9, WROR 105.7, WODS 103.3, WXKS 107.9 ? XM:? SiriusXM U (35), The Spectrum (28), Alt Nation (36), Underground Garage (21), Electric Area (52), The Verge (152) ? ??? ? ? ???First Wave (33), Deep Tracks (27), Classic Vinyl (26), The Loft (30), Soul Town (49), 60s on 6 (6) ? ? ???CNN (115), MLB Play-by-Play (89), MLB Talk (209), The Joint (42), ESPN (84), Raw Dog Comedy (99) Paul From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Oct 22 22:44:05 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:44:05 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <36F87416-FC8A-47ED-8852-4627A6087FE4@charter.net> References: <1350938351.49671.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36F87416-FC8A-47ED-8852-4627A6087FE4@charter.net> Message-ID: AM 680, 740, 850, 880, 1030 FM 88.1, 89.7, 90.9, 92.9, 93.7, 96.9, 98.5, 99.5, 100.7, 105.7, 106.7 On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > OK, I'll jump in too. > > > AM: WBZ 1030, WTAG 580, WCRN 830, WCAP 980, WEEI 850, WXKS 1200 > > FM: WXRV 92.5, WERS 88.9, WZBC 90.3, WBZ 98.5, WEEI 93.7, W287BT (WPKZ) > 105.3 > > WBUR 90.9, WGBH 89.7, WBOS 92.9, WROR 105.7, WODS 103.3, WXKS 107.9 > > XM: SiriusXM U (35), The Spectrum (28), Alt Nation (36), Underground > Garage (21), Electric Area (52), The Verge (152) > > First Wave (33), Deep Tracks (27), Classic Vinyl (26), The Loft > (30), Soul Town (49), 60s on 6 (6) > > CNN (115), MLB Play-by-Play (89), MLB Talk (209), The Joint (42), > ESPN (84), Raw Dog Comedy (99) > > Paul > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Oct 22 22:57:30 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:57:30 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101cdb0ca$247ebb20$6d7c3160$@net> > FM1: 95.9 WATD, 103.3 WODS HD2 (would replace this with something > better if I could find something), 101.9 WCIB, 105.7 WROR, 101.7 WHBA, > 93.7 WEEI Correction... #5 on FM1 is 100.7 WZLX, not 101.7 WHBA. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Oct 22 22:56:04 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:56:04 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: References: <1350022802.33142.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001cdb0c9$f17f2890$d47d79b0$@net> My Presets: FM1: 95.9 WATD, 103.3 WODS HD2 (would replace this with something better if I could find something), 101.9 WCIB, 105.7 WROR, 101.7 WHBA, 93.7 WEEI FM2: 88.3 WRPS, 92.9 WBOS, 94.1 WHJY, 95.5 WBRU, 97.7 WKAF, 98.1 WCTK FM3: 98.5 WBZ-FM, 99.1 WPLM, 104.1 WBMX, 104.7 WOCN, 105.1 WWLI, 106.7 WMJX AM: 1030 WBZ, 680 WRKO, 850 WEEI, 740 WJIB, 1200 WXKS, 630 WPRO Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Oct 23 19:02:58 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:02:58 -0400 Subject: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <1350956613.35591.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350956613.35591.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C909E98-945B-408B-8B09-D9B4F6E512CD@charter.net> Howard, I have XM, not Sirius. So the 209 is probably not correct, as I made the list from memory. I've had trouble with my car XM radio for the last couple of months, where I only get channels 0 and 1 until I send a "refresh" to the radio. That lasts only a couple of hours and I can only send one refresh a day, more if I call XM on the phone. It's a pain in the neck. I called them and they said it wasn't just me or my radio, but that it affected either all or some XM subscribers. Is anyone else on this list with XM having this problem? The MLB on 89 just points me to the channels with the games I want to hear, which move around all the time anyway. And now that the Red Sox are on WEEI-FM I hardly have a reason to listen to them on XM. So scratch the 209 from the lineup. I must have another channel on that third tier or set it to some channel that commonly has MLB play-by-play. Paul On Oct 22, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > > In your XM presets, you indicate that you're getting MLB talk on 209 and MLB play-by-play on 89. I gather you're a Sirius subscriber because channel 209 isn't even part of the MLB channel allocation on XM; it's usually occupied by horse racing coverage or talk. I'm confused, though. I thought MLB isn't allowing Sirius XM to stream MLB play-by-play on both platforms unless it rewrites the old XM deal and ponies up more money and Sirius XM has refused to do so, therefore restricting all MLB PBP to XM subscribers only. What PBP are you hearing on 89? > > Howard > > > --- On Mon, 10/22/12, Paul Anderson wrote: > > From: Paul Anderson > Subject: Re: Your radio presets? > To: "Howard Glazer" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 9:31 PM > > OK, I'll jump in too. > > > AM: WBZ 1030, WTAG 580, WCRN 830, WCAP 980, WEEI 850, WXKS 1200 > > FM: WXRV 92.5, WERS 88.9, WZBC 90.3, WBZ 98.5, WEEI 93.7, W287BT (WPKZ) 105.3 > > WBUR 90.9, WGBH 89.7, WBOS 92.9, WROR 105.7, WODS 103.3, WXKS 107.9 > > XM: SiriusXM U (35), The Spectrum (28), Alt Nation (36), Underground Garage (21), Electric Area (52), The Verge (152) > > First Wave (33), Deep Tracks (27), Classic Vinyl (26), The Loft (30), Soul Town (49), 60s on 6 (6) > > CNN (115), MLB Play-by-Play (89), MLB Talk (209), The Joint (42), ESPN (84), Raw Dog Comedy (99) > > Paul From rbello@belloassoc.com Wed Oct 24 00:52:51 2012 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:52:51 -0400 Subject: HOUR TONE ON CBS RADIO In-Reply-To: <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2125232702.2516989.1349113643892.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <2083821113.166560.1349727351375.JavaMail.root@sz0166a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Bill- You can hear either the current or the version used during most of the 1980s and 90s evrytime some calls your cell phone. The CBS "bong" and top of the hour sounder are available for free at: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18564_162-20038288.html Enjoy On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, wrote: > > > > > Hello : > > > > My name is Bill Dailey this the very 1st time that I am writeing to you > in regrards to a distinct tone at teh top of the hour meaning 1:00 pm 2:00 > pm 3:00 pm etc . I have heard that distinct tone at the top of the hour > > > > on CBS TV & CBS RADIO Networks . I have not heard that distinct tone on > CBS TV from 1973 till the present time but still hear it on the CBS > RADIO Network . That tone must go back 60 years. > > > > i know that people had radios but they had no clock radio maybe thats the > reason but you still get that tone at the top of the hour foe cbs radio > network news . use to be on from the yop of the hour to 6 min past each > hour not its the top of each hour to 3 min past eash hour can you give me > any help? > > > > > > > Bill Dailey > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Oct 24 00:39:20 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:39:20 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <5084CD6A.9070107@attorneyross.com> References: <5084CD6A.9070107@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <508770F8.9050002@attorneyross.com> Inadvertently sent only to Bob DeMattia instead of to the list. -------- Original Message -------- On 10/21/2012 8:43 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > AM: 580 610 680 770 1030 1280 > > FM1: 93.3 101.5 102.5 105.3 105.7 106.7 (MA) > > FM2: 94.9 95.7 97.5 98.3 106.9 102.9 (NH) > > FM3: 89.7 90.9 96.9 99.5 100.7 106.3 AM: 740, 1030, 640, 1400, 1430, 1600. All but the first two are for stations that I listen to when I'm in Western Massachusetts. WJIB and WBZ are the only AM stations I listen to in the Boston area. FM1: 89.7, 90.9, 91.9, 95.3, 95.9, 99.5 FM2: 88.5, 90.3, 91.1, 98.3, 97.9, 102.5 All but the last are stations that I listen to in Western Massachusetts. 90.3 is there for WAMC in Albany, which has a strong signal in most of the Pioneer Valley, though it's also Brandeis's student station. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 21:51:34 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:51:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Fwd: Re: Your radio presets? Message-ID: <30799107.1351129894577.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:39:20 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: Boston Radio >Subject: Fwd: Re: Your radio presets? > > 90.3 is there for WAMC in Albany, which has a strong > signal in most of the Pioneer Valley, though it's also > Brandeis's student station. Brandeis's student station is WBRS at 100.1 FM. 90.3 FM in the Boston area is Boston College's WZBC, Newton. Speaking of WBRS, it can no longer be heard east of approximately Newton Corner or Watertown Square due to a Caribbean pirate on 100.1 somewhere in Boston. EP From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 22:45:59 2012 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Garrett's explanation below must be the reason why all of the cable systems in Plattsburgh NY, Burlington VT, and the surrounding areas put all the local network affiliates on locations different than their actual air channel.? Back in 1998, WPTZ (channel 5) was (and probably still is) on cable channel 2, WVNY (channel 22) was on channel 4, and WCAX (channel 3) was on channel 8.? I always though that was odd, and never understood why this was done until now.? Those channel locations were (and probably still are) the exact same ones used on cable systems in Montreal; the stations must've wanted consistency across cable systems and simply requested that local US-based systems use the same lineup as the much bigger Montreal market. Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY < said: >> Years ago when staying in the Burlington VT area I would see IDs for >> WVNY-TV 22 and >> it would say "WVNY TV 22, Cable 4" which seemed to be where most cable >> systems placed >> it. The latter not part of an official legal ID of course, more of >> impressing it in people's memories. < replied: The rule in Canada was (and so far as I know still is) that stations *must not* be placed on the same channel on cable systems as they are over the air.? In the days of analog cable, there was a lot of leakage, and broadcast stations (particularly VHF stations), if placed on their broadcast channels, would receive objectionable ingress interference from their over-the-air transmitters.? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Oct 24 23:47:42 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:47:42 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20616.46686.768142.214060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett's explanation below must be the reason why all of the cable > systems in Plattsburgh NY, Burlington VT, and the surrounding areas > put all the local network affiliates on locations different than > their actual air channel.? Back in 1998, WPTZ (channel 5) was (and > probably still is) on cable channel 2, WVNY (channel 22) was on > channel 4, and WCAX (channel 3) was on channel 8. Wasn't like that in 1994 when I left. 3 on 3, 22 on 4, 5 on 5, 33 on 6, 6 on 19, and I forget where 2 and 12 ended up. (Adelphia-Burlington never carried CFTM, CIVM, or CFJP.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Oct 25 00:12:25 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:12:25 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20616.46686.768142.214060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20616.46686.768142.214060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: FWIW Videotron Montreal has VPT on 6 WPTZ 18 WCAX 21 WVNY 22 CFCF 11 CBMT 13 On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < mattosborne1976@yahoo.com> said: > > > Garrett's explanation below must be the reason why all of the cable > > systems in Plattsburgh NY, Burlington VT, and the surrounding areas > > put all the local network affiliates on locations different than > > their actual air channel. Back in 1998, WPTZ (channel 5) was (and > > probably still is) on cable channel 2, WVNY (channel 22) was on > > channel 4, and WCAX (channel 3) was on channel 8. > > Wasn't like that in 1994 when I left. 3 on 3, 22 on 4, 5 on 5, 33 on > 6, 6 on 19, and I forget where 2 and 12 ended up. > (Adelphia-Burlington never carried CFTM, CIVM, or CFJP.) > > -GAWollman > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Oct 24 23:53:27 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:53:27 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Your radio presets? In-Reply-To: <30799107.1351129894577.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30799107.1351129894577.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5088B7B7.6010309@attorneyross.com> On 10/24/2012 9:51 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: >> 90.3 is there for WAMC in Albany, which has a strong >> signal in most of the Pioneer Valley, though it's also >> Brandeis's student station. > Brandeis's student station is WBRS at 100.1 FM. > > 90.3 FM in the Boston area is Boston College's > WZBC, Newton. Thank you, my mistake. I don't listen to it very often. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Oct 24 23:55:13 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:55:13 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> On 10/24/2012 10:45 PM, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Garrett's explanation below must be the reason why all of the cable systems in Plattsburgh NY, Burlington VT, and the surrounding areas put all the local network affiliates on locations different than their actual air channel. Back in 1998, WPTZ (channel 5) was (and probably still is) on cable channel 2, WVNY (channel 22) was on channel 4, and WCAX (channel 3) was on channel 8. I always though that was odd, and never understood why this was done until now. Those channel locations were (and probably still are) the exact same ones used on cable systems in Montreal; the stations must've wanted consistency across cable systems and simply requested that local US-based systems use the same lineup as the much bigger Montreal market. But since there no longer seems to be an ingress problem, I don't understand why Comcast in Brookline suddenly moved WGBH 44 from channel 44 to channel 16. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Oct 25 01:03:56 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:03:56 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20616.51260.62231.706208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But since there no longer seems to be an ingress problem, I don't > understand why Comcast in Brookline suddenly moved WGBH 44 from channel > 44 to channel 16. Part and parcel with the whole NHPTV deal, I suspect. Here in Framingham, when WENH was dropped, WGBX 44.1 moved from 818 to 801. If I understand correctly, in New Hampshire, WENH 11.1 is now on 2/802 and 11.2 is on 1/801. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Oct 25 01:18:42 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:18:42 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <20616.51260.62231.706208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> <20616.51260.62231.706208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5088CBB2.8080101@attorneyross.com> On 10/25/2012 1:03 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> But since there no longer seems to be an ingress problem, I don't >> understand why Comcast in Brookline suddenly moved WGBH 44 from channel >> 44 to channel 16. > Part and parcel with the whole NHPTV deal, I suspect. Here in > Framingham, when WENH was dropped, WGBX 44.1 moved from 818 to 801. > If I understand correctly, in New Hampshire, WENH 11.1 is now on 2/802 and > 11.2 is on 1/801. But why the cable channel changes? Channel 2 is still on channel 2. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Oct 25 07:29:37 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:29:37 -0400 Subject: WBIN-TV 18? In-Reply-To: <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> References: <20121020202422.25280@gmx.com> <20611.27285.298568.943813@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <1351133159.77487.YahooMailNeo@web125202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5088B821.3010401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: > > > But since there no longer seems to be an ingress problem, I don't > understand why Comcast in Brookline suddenly moved WGBH 44 from channel 44 > to channel 16. > > I don't see how ingress is related to 44's cable assignment in Brookline. CATV44 is a different frequency than RF44, plus of course 44 is actually transmitting on RF43 now. I think it all comes down to who gets the most audience on which channel and who can convince the cable company to help them. For example, on Chater Cable here, most of the formerly VHF Boston stations are on their own numbers: 2, 4, 5, 7. The others, 25, 38, and 56, are on 6, 8, and 9 respectively. The HD versions used to be on 782-789. A while back, WBZ got moved to 783 and they put QVC on 784. I strongly believe this was done so that QVC would be in the middle of the local channels. The SD channels did not change. Channel 3 is still the local Charter-produced news channel and 4 is still on 4. -Bob > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From ehennessy@verizon.net Thu Oct 25 07:38:51 2012 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:38:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: WBIN-TV 18? Message-ID: <31029143.845306.1351165131652.JavaMail.root@vms170025> This is interesting, since in one of the systems in suburban New Haven (which my parents subscribed to back in 1976), the VHF channels were aligned with their on-air channels. Channels 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 13 were all on their same channels. I recall that HBO was on channel 6. Can't recall what was on 10 or 12, but it may have been one of the local UHF channels (20, 24, 30, 49, or 65), nor do I remember where WSBK and WLVI or the NYC UHFs went (we got at least 41 and 47, since I recall my dad watching "boxeo" many times). Hartford's 18 and 61 were not on the air then. Other than 10 and 12, all the other cable channels available would have had letter labels (remember those 12-button selectors with a 3-position switch on one end and a fine tuning knob on the other? ;-) I do recall that the town access/high school channel was channel S. I'm not sure why they did it that way, since there was definitely egress (so ingress was possible)--I recall setting up a portable TV in a bedroom on an outside wall where the drop came down and finding a staticky picture on a channel that would not have been received over the air either at that distance or on that channel. It stayed set up that way for many years, probably up until the AT&T Broadband timeframe (with at least 3 companies in between). Ed Hennessy On 10/24/12, Matthew Osborne wrote: Garrett's explanation below must be the reason why all of the cable systems in Plattsburgh NY, Burlington VT, and the surrounding areas put all the local network affiliates on locations different than their actual air channel. Back in 1998, WPTZ (channel 5) was (and probably still is) on cable channel 2, WVNY (channel 22) was on channel 4, and WCAX (channel 3) was on channel 8. I always though that was odd, and never understood why this was done until now. Those channel locations were (and probably still are) the exact same ones used on cable systems in Montreal; the stations must've wanted consistency across cable systems and simply requested that local US-based systems use the same lineup as the much bigger Montreal market. Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY < replied: The rule in Canada was (and so far as I know still is) that stations *must not* be placed on the same channel on cable systems as they are over the air. In the days of analog cable, there was a lot of leakage, and broadcast stations (particularly VHF stations), if placed on their broadcast channels, would receive objectionable ingress interference from their over-the-air transmitters. From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Oct 29 01:02:35 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:02:35 -0400 Subject: KISS-108, I-Heart and I'm sure every CC CHR TV spot Message-ID: <2FE21D2660914CA1B88B8A3A012DFCF4@chrisHP> Anyone else gag when they see the KISS-108 and also I-Heart (and I?m sure every other Clear Channel market CHR) generic TV spot. I have a few KISS-108 ad?s that ran during my tenure and later years. These great TV spots were always about Boston and focused on what made KISS-108 a top tier industry star. Now its just ubiquitous mediocre crap which could be LA, San Diego, Miami or NYC....nothing special what?s next.... a new spot by puked out by Taylor Swift. It may have not been the real Golden Age of radio but I sure feel lucky to have worked in the Industry during what were some of it?s greatest years. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Oct 26 16:30:18 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:30:18 -0400 Subject: Globe Unaware (Like Most People) About WWZN Change Message-ID: <20121026203018.25270@gmx.com> During the lengthy period that "Progressive Talk" was the mainstay of WWZN-AM 1510 in Boston, they nonethless kept the call letters WWZN that had previously been associated with their former mostly-sports format. So one could logically assume that when the station went back to all-sports, the calls would stay the same. But, no. With little fanfare or notice, WWZN became WUFC. Now every Friday, the print edition of the Boston Globe has a section containing a list of sporting events over the weekend. WUFC has a deal with Boston University to carry games of its sports teams, yet The Globe lists an upcoming BU hockey game as being broadcast on WWZN. (I don't know if this info is on The Globe's two websites). Here's an oddity: during the week, sporting events on radio are listed as being available on FREQUENCIES, not call letters. Thus if a Worcester-area college team were playing a Portland, ME-area college team, the Globe would just give the 1440 frequency. Well, there are stations in Worcester AND Portland on 1440! From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Oct 30 13:35:25 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:35:25 -0400 Subject: Globe Unaware (Like Most People) About WWZN Change Message-ID: <20121030173525.219880@gmx.com> The Globe's and the Herald's sports radio listings aren't always accurate and sometimes it takes awhile for them to catch up--for example, I think the Herald still listed WPKZ in Fitchburg as a Sox affiliate even though they switched to the Yankees (were not offered Sox affiliation this year). The Herald has been known to offer huge lists of affiliates covering much of New England for Sox, Patriots, etc. and the Globe indeed has (perhaps to save space) offered frequency listings only. For example you could have a Boston area college sports team playing, say, a team in Vermont or Maine and they'll list the freq for the other team's broadcast. You'd see "91.1". OK, which 91.1? WBOR, Brunswick ME (Bowdoin College). They might be playing a team around here but the Globe would put that freq out... Sins of the past: The Sox games being listed as on "WEEI (FM) 850" (in the days before they got 93.7). 850 on the FM dial... :)--Globe The Herald listing Sox games (in the past) on "WRPO 630" (sic) Providence RI. Simple transposition of letters, it should have been WPRO. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Oct 31 15:21:41 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:21:41 -0400 Subject: WRKO gives Kuhner morning drive Message-ID: Starting tomorrow WRKO will have Jeff Kuhner in morning drive as well as the 11 am slot. McPhee and Feinberg are apparently gone from the station, unless they found another slot for either to do. http://www.wrko.com/jeff-kuhner-takes-over-wrko-am-680-morning-drive From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Oct 31 15:48:49 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:48:49 -0400 Subject: WRKO gives Kuhner morning drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. They are gone: http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/112042/jeff-kuhner-replaces-feinburg-mcphee-in-mornings-a On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Starting tomorrow WRKO will have Jeff Kuhner in morning drive as well > as the 11 am slot. McPhee and Feinberg are apparently gone from the > station, unless they found another slot for either to do. > > http://www.wrko.com/jeff-kuhner-takes-over-wrko-am-680-morning-drive > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Oct 31 15:52:59 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:52:59 -0400 Subject: WRKO gives Kuhner morning drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kuhner has moved here now, it's said. (Some other hosts moved here once they got regular gigs, like Jeff Katz when he got the AM 1200 gig, but he was left in the lurch when they laid him off). Before, Kuhner did shows most likely via ISDN line from studios at The Washington Times. (He had been on WTNT in DC before.) On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Yes. They are gone: From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 15:30:22 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:30:22 -0400 Subject: WRKO gives Kuhner morning drive References: Message-ID: <05AEF461120746BEBAB158C018A9DAB7@s20035> Where does he do his show from? Not Boston, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:21 PM Subject: WRKO gives Kuhner morning drive > Starting tomorrow WRKO will have Jeff Kuhner in morning drive as well > as the 11 am slot. McPhee and Feinberg are apparently gone from the > station, unless they found another slot for either to do. > > http://www.wrko.com/jeff-kuhner-takes-over-wrko-am-680-morning-drive