From rbello@belloassoc.com  Fri Jun  1 00:04:55 2012
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:04:55 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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NJ Devils vs LA Kings


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Thu, 31 May 2012 23:09:36 -0400, Ron Bello <rbello@belloassoc.com>
> said:
>
> > Also claiming WEEU 830 (not 850) covers Philly
> > Pretty sad that only 2 out of the top 10 markets have broadcast coverage
>
> Who's even in it?  Are they teams that anyone cares about?  (I'd say
> it serves the NHL right for going along with Bettman's idiotic quest
> to sell hockey in places that don't have winter, never mind frozen
> ponds, these past two decades.)
>
> -GAWollman
>

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Fri Jun  1 00:11:33 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:11:33 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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The only time my son (17) listens to the radio, it's in the car.
At home or anywhere else, it's the IPOD listening to downloaded
music.

When the cable went out for an extended period last fall,
I also had to explain to my son what ABC, CBS, and NBC were
and why we can still get them without cable.

Until then, to him, they were just three more channels on the cable.

-Bob


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:07 PM, D. A. <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > Now if you want to talk about turn-offs on WBZ, how about
> > that stupid
> > CBS Evening simulcast?  Are they still running
> > that?
>
> This is a corporate dictate from high above the local WBZ management.
>
> I agree it's stupid.  But O&O's have always been forced to carry stuff
> that some corporate suit thought was a good idea.  That's been happening
> since the beginning.  (The question I have.....was it a corperate suit from
> CBS _Radio_ -who should know better----or from someone higher up in the CBS
> hierarchy who sees the radio division as simply a place to cross promote
> the more important TV product..)
>
> I also never got the whole "60 Minutes" audio thing on Sunday night
> either.  But The CBS Radio network has been offering both these things to
> affiliates.....and typically O&O's are forced to take them.
>
>
>
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 00:00:48 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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> The heritage CBS all-newsers generally take the regular
> twice-daily
> roundup -- I heard it recently on KCBS.

WBZ used to only take the first segment of the TV newcast with the top stories...not sure why/when they started taking the whole 30 minutes...

Other stations (from Wiki):

>> WCBS-AM in New York generally simulcasts the first ten minutes (6:30 to 6:40 PM ET). KCBS-AM and KFRC-FM in San Francisco, California, simulcast the live television broadcast from 3:31 to 3:38 PM PT<<

Maybe these stations changed recently too?

From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jun  1 00:20:13 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:20:13 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
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On 5/31/2012 6:50 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:

> I'm familiar with both WCBS and WINS in New York.  Would you want WBZ to sound like either of those?  I don't think we need a teletype bed like WINS (ask your friends if they know what that sound is and you'll probably get blank stares), although I've always liked their top-of-hour sounder.  What does WCBS do that WBZ does not?

We had a teletype at WMUA when I was there in the mid-1960s, so I know 
what one sounds like.  For that matter, I heard a teletype bed on many 
TV newscasts long before I knew what one was, and it gave a certain 
atmosphere to the program.  Kinda like Walter Winchell's telegraph key.  
Now it's a bit like all the music videos that show 1960s cars, AM 
radios, and turntables.  Nostalgia I guess.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jun  1 00:26:59 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:26:59 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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On 5/31/2012 11:44 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The day is coming when CBS decides to put WBZ on FM - then who gets blown
> up?  WZLX, WODS or WBMX

Then what will become the new call letters of 98.5?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 01:43:58 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:43:58 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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I admit I am a dinosaur.

I remember a time when Boston EVENING newspapers had a shock value -
one?afternoon I woke up late to see headline??- MYSTIC BRIDGE
COLLAPSES

When was the last time I woke up to a newspaper headline that shocked
me.......it has been a long time.

Let us been honest here..before 1972 after 1 AM radio was the ONLY
overnight option in Boston and which is why we remember Dick Summer,
Norm Nathan,?Jack Lazare and Larry Glick and after 1967 the WRKO
overnight jock,

The best example of this was on late Sunday/ early Monday the audience
Ken Mayer had on WBOS/WUNR.  It was Ken or Norm (WHDH) - and if you
are over 50 and say to a Bostonian WO9-8989 of that age group, many
will remember. There was nothing else on.

The bottom line is that decades ago we had limited options......that
is no longer the case.

There was a time when radio/TV could unify the nation at the same
exact second..... i.e. the end of a sporting event over telco lines.
Today - people watching or listening could be 25-40 seconds behind the
actual moment because of the way signals are decoded. Sadly today the
'instant' moment is on twitter.














On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Chris Hall <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Kevin, you are forgetting KNX, WBBM AM/FM and KCBS AM/FM they are all news 24/7. The question is how much longer will WBZ be the place to go
> when something happens, in frightening number the population now turns to their smart phone. I?m not sure of your age but in conversations of the past
> I suspect we are in the same age bracket. We are dinosaurs, the demographics that no longer matter. The 38 state audience has zero value I?m sad to say, ask Dave Edurado (Gleeson)The listeners revolted to losing live and local to another out of market syndicated show. If you listen to many of the overnight callers many are elderly shut ins. WBZ?s audience of very top end demos is dying off faster than the lower end CHR and Urban demos are to Pandora and the like.? It seems many people on this board feel how dare you criticize WBZ, much in the way many go ballistic if you have the audacity to criticize the anointed one in the White House.
> Chris
>
> From: Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:15 PM
> To: Ron Bello
> Cc: Don ; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org ; Chris Hall
> Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame
>
> WBZ has one thing that NO other Boston station has - if something happens that is where you are going to go.
>
> Westinghouse decided years ago that it WBZ would never be 24 hour news - they did put value into the 38 state night signal.
>
>
> The only pure Westinghouse news outlets left are WINS and KYW.
>
> CBS/Westinghouse did react when they faced listener revolt when they tried to eliminate local programming at BZ overnight. Let us be thankful for that.
>


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Fri Jun  1 00:11:33 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:11:33 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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The only time my son (17) listens to the radio, it's in the car.
At home or anywhere else, it's the IPOD listening to downloaded
music.

When the cable went out for an extended period last fall,
I also had to explain to my son what ABC, CBS, and NBC were
and why we can still get them without cable.

Until then, to him, they were just three more channels on the cable.

-Bob


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:07 PM, D. A. <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > Now if you want to talk about turn-offs on WBZ, how about
> > that stupid
> > CBS Evening simulcast?  Are they still running
> > that?
>
> This is a corporate dictate from high above the local WBZ management.
>
> I agree it's stupid.  But O&O's have always been forced to carry stuff
> that some corporate suit thought was a good idea.  That's been happening
> since the beginning.  (The question I have.....was it a corperate suit from
> CBS _Radio_ -who should know better----or from someone higher up in the CBS
> hierarchy who sees the radio division as simply a place to cross promote
> the more important TV product..)
>
> I also never got the whole "60 Minutes" audio thing on Sunday night
> either.  But The CBS Radio network has been offering both these things to
> affiliates.....and typically O&O's are forced to take them.
>
>
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 02:01:40 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:01:40 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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WBZ-FM has NEVER been a part of 98.5's marketing of sports radio - you
hear the calls on the hourly ID

Think it out - WBZ-FM moves to103.3 and the 103 legacy endures. AM
doing oldies is still Radio 103 ( WBZ-AM)

Sports Hub could use whatever calls they want - call letters mean
NOTHING in the PPM world.

Can AM survive mainstream in Boston?   I have my doubts.



On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:26 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

>
> Then what will become the new call letters of 98.5?
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 02:25:21 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:25:21 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
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Can we assume that CBS suits in New York look at WBZ the same way they
look at KDKA, WCCO, KMOX among others?

Billable hours makes money ( 6 AM - 6 PM )

and then

Here is something that astounds me...

WIP in Philly stays local overnight and obviously generates enough
income to make it work.

Why WEEI and WBZ-FM just blows off the overnight audience astounds me.
A local sports talk overnight would at worse break even.

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 02:08:06 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:08:06 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame 
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> Whatever happened to operating radio stations in the public interest?
>
> Oh, I forgot, that went out with Reagan when he started selling the public 
> airwaves at auction thus guaranteeing the stations would not program in 
> the public interest.

One is not necessarily related to the other.

The biggest blow the "public interest" happenned after the Telcom Act, 
which,  BTW...was passed under Bill Clinton(D) and our local Congressman 
Markey(D) (Although there is/was plenty of blame to go around in both 
parties.) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Jun  1 03:03:55 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 03:03:55 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame 
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<<On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:08:06 -0400, "Don" <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> The biggest blow the "public interest" happenned after the Telcom Act, 
> which,  BTW...was passed under Bill Clinton(D) and our local Congressman 
> Markey(D) (Although there is/was plenty of blame to go around in both 
> parties.) 

Not really.  By the time of the Telecom Act, the FCC was already quite
hemmed in by both Congress and the courts such that, even if it wanted
to, it could not legally maintain the classic PICON regulatory
structure.  Comparative hearings, for example, were deemed
unconstitutional and abolished long before Congress decided that
spectrum should go to the highest bidder.  When I first started
following this stuff back in the mid-90s, there was a huge backlog of
pending applications at the FCC that couldn't be processed because
Congress hadn't approved a replacement for the comparative hearing
process.  They just sat there, for years, until all but one applicant
finally threw in the towel.

-GAWollman

From paul@derrynh.net  Fri Jun  1 04:51:16 2012
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:51:16 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsOvf5TQcCa0d0mCbzPbC5g9Dq0JAyvN45gix5kp1KdXvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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BTW:

Speaking of Phone Numbers, what's the age cutoff for...

"How many cookies did ANdrew eat?

ANdrew 8 8000 (My all time fav...)

-Paul Hopfgarten
Epping NH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kevin Vahey
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 1:43 AM
To: Chris Hall
Cc: Boston Radio Group
Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame

I admit I am a dinosaur.

I remember a time when Boston EVENING newspapers had a shock value -
one afternoon I woke up late to see headline  - MYSTIC BRIDGE
COLLAPSES

When was the last time I woke up to a newspaper headline that shocked
me.......it has been a long time.

Let us been honest here..before 1972 after 1 AM radio was the ONLY
overnight option in Boston and which is why we remember Dick Summer,
Norm Nathan, Jack Lazare and Larry Glick and after 1967 the WRKO
overnight jock,

The best example of this was on late Sunday/ early Monday the audience
Ken Mayer had on WBOS/WUNR.  It was Ken or Norm (WHDH) - and if you
are over 50 and say to a Bostonian WO9-8989 of that age group, many
will remember. There was nothing else on.

The bottom line is that decades ago we had limited options......that
is no longer the case.

There was a time when radio/TV could unify the nation at the same
exact second..... i.e. the end of a sporting event over telco lines.
Today - people watching or listening could be 25-40 seconds behind the
actual moment because of the way signals are decoded. Sadly today the
'instant' moment is on twitter.














On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Chris Hall <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Kevin, you are forgetting KNX, WBBM AM/FM and KCBS AM/FM they are all news 
> 24/7. The question is how much longer will WBZ be the place to go
> when something happens, in frightening number the population now turns to 
> their smart phone. I?m not sure of your age but in conversations of the 
> past
> I suspect we are in the same age bracket. We are dinosaurs, the 
> demographics that no longer matter. The 38 state audience has zero value I?m 
> sad to say, ask Dave Edurado (Gleeson)The listeners revolted to losing 
> live and local to another out of market syndicated show. If you listen to 
> many of the overnight callers many are elderly shut ins. WBZ?s audience of 
> very top end demos is dying off faster than the lower end CHR and Urban 
> demos are to Pandora and the like.  It seems many people on this board 
> feel how dare you criticize WBZ, much in the way many go ballistic if you 
> have the audacity to criticize the anointed one in the White House.
> Chris
>
> From: Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:15 PM
> To: Ron Bello
> Cc: Don ; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org ; Chris Hall
> Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame
>
> WBZ has one thing that NO other Boston station has - if something happens 
> that is where you are going to go.
>
> Westinghouse decided years ago that it WBZ would never be 24 hour news - 
> they did put value into the 38 state night signal.
>
>
> The only pure Westinghouse news outlets left are WINS and KYW.
>
> CBS/Westinghouse did react when they faced listener revolt when they tried 
> to eliminate local programming at BZ overnight. Let us be thankful for 
> that.
> 


From paul@derrynh.net  Fri Jun  1 04:53:10 2012
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:53:10 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
In-Reply-To: <4FC842FD.6090300@attorneyross.com>
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Message-ID: <561E171C2E0A4BECA9C09E4EA54156FA@PaulPC>

One you don?t hear anymore....

The phone "ping" when taking a call on a news story...

-Paul Hopfgarten
Epping NH

-----Original Message----- 
From: A Joseph Ross
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:20 AM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: WBZ should hang it's head in shame

On 5/31/2012 6:50 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:

> I'm familiar with both WCBS and WINS in New York.  Would you want WBZ to 
> sound like either of those?  I don't think we need a teletype bed like 
> WINS (ask your friends if they know what that sound is and you'll probably 
> get blank stares), although I've always liked their top-of-hour sounder. 
> What does WCBS do that WBZ does not?

We had a teletype at WMUA when I was there in the mid-1960s, so I know
what one sounds like.  For that matter, I heard a teletype bed on many
TV newscasts long before I knew what one was, and it gave a certain
atmosphere to the program.  Kinda like Walter Winchell's telegraph key.
Now it's a bit like all the music videos that show 1960s cars, AM
radios, and turntables.  Nostalgia I guess.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com 


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Fri Jun  1 10:15:39 2012
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:15:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame 
Message-ID: <1bb0a.1a6e92fc.3cfa288a@aol.com>

That would be very interesting to hear a 50KW voice-tracked  oldies 
station.  To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind WBZ playing music  again. On the 
east coast it is like satellite radio you can hear it just about  anywhere. 
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 1:45:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

I can  foresee the day where WODS gets moved to 1030 because the older demo
will  follow back to AM.



From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Fri Jun  1 10:55:27 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:55:27 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
In-Reply-To: <1bb0a.1a6e92fc.3cfa288a@aol.com>
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And the music will sound just fine on WBZ AM HD!

-Bob


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:15 AM, <TVNETDUDE@aol.com> wrote:

> That would be very interesting to hear a 50KW voice-tracked  oldies
> station.  To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind WBZ playing music  again.
> On the
> east coast it is like satellite radio you can hear it just about  anywhere.
>
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2012 1:45:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:
>
> I can  foresee the day where WODS gets moved to 1030 because the older demo
> will  follow back to AM.
>
>
>

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 15:06:00 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame 
References: <mailman.5759.1338520187.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org><A4FDA65231A2428698494537E7EAB1B4@HomeOffice><02FD9B79AF8B422DBCEECF41B90E874B@s20035>
	<20424.26971.532131.580161@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <998D0D30AEAB4F7999C2FDC62EE247A3@s20035>

>> The biggest blow the "public interest" happenned after the Telcom Act,
>> which,  BTW...was passed under Bill Clinton(D) and our local Congressman
>> Markey(D) (Although there is/was plenty of blame to go around in both
>> parties.)
>
> Not really.  By the time of the Telecom Act....

I might evben argue that the recession was the biggest blow to the public 
interest.

The reason why WBZ has no local newscasts/newsperson at night, infomercials 
on the weekend, more commercials than ever in drive-time.....is mainly due 
to the economic impact of the last few years.

Other stations also have been hit by the economy and have cut back as well. 


From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Jun  1 15:21:43 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
Message-ID: <14660385.1338578503926.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:01:40 -0400
>From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
>To: A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame
>
>Think it out - WBZ-FM moves to 103.3 and the 103 legacy 
>endures. AM doing oldies is still Radio 103 ( WBZ-AM)

WODS is no longer "Oldies 103.3". Another poster said
that the "older demo" would follow WODS to AM. WODS no
longer programs to the "older demo" that is old enough
to have grown up listening to music on AM radio. WODS
moving to AM would kill it, and I doubt CBS would want
to do that. It's still quite successful now as it is.

Though they haven't changed the anagram call letters,
WODS dropped all on-air and online usage of the word
"Oldies" nearly four years ago. Long gone are Chuck 
Berry, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino and 
any Elvis prior to his 1969 hit "Suspicious Minds". 
In their place are Madonna, Prince, George Michael & 
Wham, and Michael Jackson's '80s hits. The generation 
that grew up listening to them didn't listen to music 
on AM radio.

Some hits by mid/late '60s warhorses like the Beatles, 
Stones, The Beach Boys, the biggest Motown hits, etc... 
still play, but more to a generation that first enjoyed 
them as enduring "oldies" on FM radio years after they 
were first released, not as much to the generation now 
mostly in their 60s and older that first enjoyed them 
on AM radio and might not want to sit through the '70s
and '80s pop and disco hits to hear them sprinkled in.
I know that a "focus group" study for WODS a few years
ago was not open to anyone over 52 years old.

WODS is a mid '60s through '80s "classic hits" station
now. AM radio was on the decline for contemporary hits
by the mid '70s, and was dead for contemporary hits by
1980. Moving it to AM with its present format wouldn't
work, and if it went back to playing older "oldies" of
the '50s and early '60s again, it would have to go to 
an automated commercial-free listener supported model
like WJIB, because sponsors apparently don't believe 
that older people spend money.

EP




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Jun  1 16:11:12 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:11:12 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
References: <14660385.1338578503926.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1A175700E620454480ECE89F245E5A64@SatU205S5044>

The local (well, almost local in those parts of the market where it
can be heard at all) "oldies" station is WBOQ, which, IIRC, gave up
using the word "oldies" a year or more before WODS did. In place of
oldies, WBOQ plays "good-time favorites," which sound just like oldies
to me. If good time favorites make the advertisers happy, far be it
from me to argue. I find WBOQ to be the most listenable pop-music
station in the market--indeed the only pop-music station I can
tolerate for periods as long as half an hour--and they had the Red Sox
on FM years before WEEI did.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eli Polonsky" <elipolo@earthlink.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame


> >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 02:01:40 -0400
>>From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
>>To: A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
>>Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
>>Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame
>>
>>Think it out - WBZ-FM moves to 103.3 and the 103 legacy
>>endures. AM doing oldies is still Radio 103 ( WBZ-AM)
>
> WODS is no longer "Oldies 103.3". Another poster said
> that the "older demo" would follow WODS to AM. WODS no
> longer programs to the "older demo" that is old enough
> to have grown up listening to music on AM radio. WODS
> moving to AM would kill it, and I doubt CBS would want
> to do that. It's still quite successful now as it is.
>
> Though they haven't changed the anagram call letters,
> WODS dropped all on-air and online usage of the word
> "Oldies" nearly four years ago. Long gone are Chuck
> Berry, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino and
> any Elvis prior to his 1969 hit "Suspicious Minds".
> In their place are Madonna, Prince, George Michael &
> Wham, and Michael Jackson's '80s hits. The generation
> that grew up listening to them didn't listen to music
> on AM radio.
>
> Some hits by mid/late '60s warhorses like the Beatles,
> Stones, The Beach Boys, the biggest Motown hits, etc...
> still play, but more to a generation that first enjoyed
> them as enduring "oldies" on FM radio years after they
> were first released, not as much to the generation now
> mostly in their 60s and older that first enjoyed them
> on AM radio and might not want to sit through the '70s
> and '80s pop and disco hits to hear them sprinkled in.
> I know that a "focus group" study for WODS a few years
> ago was not open to anyone over 52 years old.
>
> WODS is a mid '60s through '80s "classic hits" station
> now. AM radio was on the decline for contemporary hits
> by the mid '70s, and was dead for contemporary hits by
> 1980. Moving it to AM with its present format wouldn't
> work, and if it went back to playing older "oldies" of
> the '50s and early '60s again, it would have to go to
> an automated commercial-free listener supported model
> like WJIB, because sponsors apparently don't believe
> that older people spend money.
>
> EP
>
>
>


From map@mapinternet.com  Fri Jun  1 15:51:41 2012
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:51:41 -0400
Subject: WBZ should not hang it's head in shame
In-Reply-To: <AE4C97908FCD4D89B771D08DF2858AE8@chrisHP>
References: <AE4C97908FCD4D89B771D08DF2858AE8@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <5BF0C0F1240744D3A65AC8FB18D84E6D@CASEYPC>

The years make very little, if any, difference. With minor changes, 
new-weather & traffic are and are going to be similar 20 years ago or 20 
years from now. The changes are, and only maybe, in how it's delivered. Not 
that a newer delivery method would be better. It might not. It might be like 
"New Coke", Quadraphonic,  AM stereo, Or HD radio!

WBZ does a fine job and is superior to any other all-(or mostly)-news 
operation that CBS has. WCBS and WINS have a much shorter "playlist". KYW's 
not any better. It's been a while since I listened to KNX, but they weren't 
any better than WBZ either. The short "playlist" is a disadvantage. All the 
headlines in 22 minutes if fine for the very short term listener, and is 
probably on viable in the largest 2 or 3 markets like New York and Los 
Angeles. There's a significant amount of the audience that listens longer 
and likes to hear the special features like those by Keller, Caruthers, 
Chayet and others. WCBS used to have more variety, but it seems to have cut 
back in the last few years and it is more like WINS than ever, so it gets 
hard to listen there for more than the 22 minutes. I think WCBS has hurt 
themselves by the narrowness.

Atlanta's WYAY has only been on for a few days and is OK, but it is a pretty 
thin second string operation compared to WBZ. YAY's "playlist" is really 
short. I would not want to listen to it for more than 20 minutes. Even 
though I'd like to hear more special features, and more stories on WBZ, I 
can listen to it for a lot longer.

Folks that are interested in news & information are going to listen to WBZ, 
no matter what their ages, or whether it's on AM or FM-they will find it. 
There's little that any programmer can do to bring in non-news listeners to 
an all new station. The format has little to do with grampy. It has to do 
with folks that want News & Information related programs. Given the current 
trend with all ages and formats, adding an FM similcast would be likely to 
increase audience. FM just sounds better even if the program is just voice. 
But, dropping the AM all-news would be a big mistake. There are many places 
that the FM signal would not work, and the AM would, just like the many 
places the AM is unlistenable because of noise and the FM is fine. And, 
nearly every person that I know that travels throughout New England as part 
of their job--sales, or service, or whatever--listens to WBZ at some point 
every week, or every day, or multiple times per day. If WBZ goes to FM only, 
then, that audience, and it is significant, goes away.

Switching the oldies from 103.3 to 1030 would be a big mistake. Nearly all 
of us that grew up in the 60's-70's-80's would be the target audience and I 
know of no one in that group that would go back to listening to music on AM. 
After all, today's oldies generation is the generation that made FM a 
success.  WODS 1030 would have few listeners.

The best thing WBZ can do is stay with the current format, add FM (not just 
HD2--HD radio sounds OK, but coverage is poor and it is a flop, just like AM 
HD) if they can find a decent signal, and to get people to listen longer, 
increase the number of stories and special features, and add newer features.

Mark Casey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hall" <chris2526@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame


Most of us have very fond feelings for WBZ but it is 2012 not 1985. KISS-108 
sounded great in 1985 and it would be great nostalgia but it would not be 
viable CHR in 2012. While almost all the other CBS Radio owned and 
programmed news outlets have moved along with the times WBZ is stagnant in 
the past to its detriment and that is sad. They get away with it because 
there is no competition, Do you think CBS would sit back and allow WBZ-TV to 
look and sound like they did in 1987.......never. Someone in the 
organization would be wise to bring in the programmers from WINS and WCBS 
before it is too late.
I recently wrote on Radio Info of being at a family Christening loaded with 
both men and women in the 20 to 35 year age group. Since at the time it was 
a hot topic I asked around if anyone listened to WBZ all news radio.  The 
answerers ranged from I didn?t know there was an all news station......you 
mean  channel 4? (WBZ-TV).......  is it closer on the dial to WEEI or the 
Sports Hub. They do not have the fast paced product that this age group 
would listen to.
I asked my niece (32) and nephews (28) and (30) , the three of them agreed 
that WBZ was one of the stations that Nana and Grampy always had on in the 
car whenever they took them out for a ride or to McDonalds over 20 years 
ago. Nana died in 1999, Grampy left us in 2007. If WBZ continues to keep 
their head in the sand it will be at their own peril, even if they were to 
move the current product to FM it may be too late for the long run.


From elipolo@earthlink.net  Fri Jun  1 17:51:36 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:51:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
Message-ID: <26754595.1338587496246.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
>Sent: Jun 1, 2012 4:11 PM
>To: Eli Polonsky <elipolo@earthlink.net>, 
>boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: WBZ should hang its head in shame
>
>The local (well, almost local in those parts of the 
>market where it can be heard at all) "oldies" station 
>is WBOQ, which, IIRC, gave up using the word "oldies" 
>a year or more before WODS did. In place of oldies, 
>WBOQ plays "good-time favorites," which sound just 
>like oldies to me. 

I don't recall WBOQ ever using the word "oldies" to
describe its format. As long as I remember, it was 
always "Good Time Favorites" since they switched to
it. I guessed that they wanted to differentiate from
"Oldies 103.3" back when that was what WODS called 
itself.

EP




From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 18:57:06 2012
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ should not hang its head in shame (what an absurd idea)
References: <7228EA89394142A191FA05D45D63634B@chrisHP> 
Message-ID: <1338591426.49594.YahooMailNeo@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Chris Hall wrote:

>WYAY Atlanta has been on the air for two days and already sounds far better and up to date as a news station than frumpy old WBZ . . .

????? Nonsense.

??????I checked WYAY at 1330 today. The A pack, 1330-1335:?two actualities credited to the Fox TV station and two phone actualities. B pack, 1335-1340: two phone actualities was all the sound they had. If they have any street reporters, they must have forgotten to send in their stories. WBZ, on average, would have had at least two reporters with extremely well-done wraps in that period of time -- one of them perhaps live with an actuality. Plus lots more. The WYAY anchor was somewhat hesitant sounding and stumbled too many times (any would have been too many) in just these few minutes for a big market station.?

????? And there's nothing innovative about their concept. They have sports at 15 and 45, business at 10 and 50, traffic on the 6s', etc. The bumpers and promos were nothing special. Maybe they could hire Michael Coleman. They're running ABC network news on the hour and the 60-second ABC headlines at half past. The latter, at least, arguably, is not a good idea when you're trying?to establish your local identity. Etc.

?????? Please turn on your radio and compare to WBZ -- for which I'm not particularly carrying water.

??????? The staff cutbacks at WBZ?in 2008 -- culminating in the soon-reversed layoff of Steve Leveille -- have been gradually, one at a time, mostly reversed. Despite the best efforts of the idiotic quarterly-earnings junkies?in suits in NY, CBS hasn 't wrecked WBZ yet.

????? But they're still working on it. Don't even get me started about the creeping cancer of leased time/infommercials that the programming and news folks in Boston have no control over. It started when Sunday night's "Looking at the Law" gave way to a paid quack medicine "program" years ago. Now there's even a paid, self-serving financial show for an hour that interrupts the news at 10 a.m. on Sundays. Funny, CBS doesn't do that to WCBS or KYW, et al.

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 19:30:37 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ should not hang it's head in shame
In-Reply-To: <5BF0C0F1240744D3A65AC8FB18D84E6D@CASEYPC>
Message-ID: <1338593437.37842.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Now see what happened!  You got the Boss involved!



--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Mark Casey <map@mapinternet.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Casey <map@mapinternet.com>
> Subject: WBZ should not hang it's head in shame
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 3:51 PM
> The years make very little, if any,
> difference. With minor changes, 
> new-weather & traffic are and are going to be similar 20
> years ago or 20 
> years from now. The changes are, and only maybe, in how it's
> delivered. Not 
> that a newer delivery method would be better. It might not.
> It might be like 
> "New Coke", Quadraphonic,? AM stereo, Or HD radio!
> 
> WBZ does a fine job and is superior to any other all-(or
> mostly)-news 
> operation that CBS has. WCBS and WINS have a much shorter
> "playlist". KYW's 
> not any better. It's been a while since I listened to KNX,
> but they weren't 
> any better than WBZ either. The short "playlist" is a
> disadvantage. All the 
> headlines in 22 minutes if fine for the very short term
> listener, and is 
> probably on viable in the largest 2 or 3 markets like New
> York and Los 
> Angeles. There's a significant amount of the audience that
> listens longer 
> and likes to hear the special features like those by Keller,
> Caruthers, 
> Chayet and others. WCBS used to have more variety, but it
> seems to have cut 
> back in the last few years and it is more like WINS than
> ever, so it gets 
> hard to listen there for more than the 22 minutes. I think
> WCBS has hurt 
> themselves by the narrowness.
> 
> Atlanta's WYAY has only been on for a few days and is OK,
> but it is a pretty 
> thin second string operation compared to WBZ. YAY's
> "playlist" is really 
> short. I would not want to listen to it for more than 20
> minutes. Even 
> though I'd like to hear more special features, and more
> stories on WBZ, I 
> can listen to it for a lot longer.
> 
> Folks that are interested in news & information are
> going to listen to WBZ, 
> no matter what their ages, or whether it's on AM or FM-they
> will find it. 
> There's little that any programmer can do to bring in
> non-news listeners to 
> an all new station. The format has little to do with grampy.
> It has to do 
> with folks that want News & Information related
> programs. Given the current 
> trend with all ages and formats, adding an FM similcast
> would be likely to 
> increase audience. FM just sounds better even if the program
> is just voice. 
> But, dropping the AM all-news would be a big mistake. There
> are many places 
> that the FM signal would not work, and the AM would, just
> like the many 
> places the AM is unlistenable because of noise and the FM is
> fine. And, 
> nearly every person that I know that travels throughout New
> England as part 
> of their job--sales, or service, or whatever--listens to WBZ
> at some point 
> every week, or every day, or multiple times per day. If WBZ
> goes to FM only, 
> then, that audience, and it is significant, goes away.
> 
> Switching the oldies from 103.3 to 1030 would be a big
> mistake. Nearly all 
> of us that grew up in the 60's-70's-80's would be the target
> audience and I 
> know of no one in that group that would go back to listening
> to music on AM. 
> After all, today's oldies generation is the generation that
> made FM a 
> success.? WODS 1030 would have few listeners.
> 
> The best thing WBZ can do is stay with the current format,
> add FM (not just 
> HD2--HD radio sounds OK, but coverage is poor and it is a
> flop, just like AM 
> HD) if they can find a decent signal, and to get people to
> listen longer, 
> increase the number of stories and special features, and add
> newer features.
> 
> Mark Casey
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Hall" <chris2526@comcast.net>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:40 PM
> Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
> 
> 
> Most of us have very fond feelings for WBZ but it is 2012
> not 1985. KISS-108 
> sounded great in 1985 and it would be great nostalgia but it
> would not be 
> viable CHR in 2012. While almost all the other CBS Radio
> owned and 
> programmed news outlets have moved along with the times WBZ
> is stagnant in 
> the past to its detriment and that is sad. They get away
> with it because 
> there is no competition, Do you think CBS would sit back and
> allow WBZ-TV to 
> look and sound like they did in 1987.......never. Someone in
> the 
> organization would be wise to bring in the programmers from
> WINS and WCBS 
> before it is too late.
> I recently wrote on Radio Info of being at a family
> Christening loaded with 
> both men and women in the 20 to 35 year age group. Since at
> the time it was 
> a hot topic I asked around if anyone listened to WBZ all
> news radio.? The 
> answerers ranged from I didn?t know there was an all news
> station......you 
> mean? channel 4? (WBZ-TV).......? is it closer on
> the dial to WEEI or the 
> Sports Hub. They do not have the fast paced product that
> this age group 
> would listen to.
> I asked my niece (32) and nephews (28) and (30) , the three
> of them agreed 
> that WBZ was one of the stations that Nana and Grampy always
> had on in the 
> car whenever they took them out for a ride or to McDonalds
> over 20 years 
> ago. Nana died in 1999, Grampy left us in 2007. If WBZ
> continues to keep 
> their head in the sand it will be at their own peril, even
> if they were to 
> move the current product to FM it may be too late for the
> long run.
> 
> 


From ljs0610@comcast.net  Sun Jun  3 11:00:43 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:00:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <2FD20ED8110947D0AF1DE0E4E160FC23@DansCpq6515b>
Message-ID: <797452759.748323.1338735643992.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Another reason (in addition to all those disturbed by the inexorable disappearance of certain radio genres) why satellite radio, Sirius/XM, is an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio.  The purists who dismiss it do so to their detriment.  The past is just that...time to move on.  And if you really want to live in the past, look to the future.  My smart phone can often sound and is about the same size as the transistor radio I received as an very excited eleven-year old.  The subscription fee is a very small price to pay to listen to what you want with the feel of real radio (as opposed to my IPod which, as much as I love it, is a different appeal than live radio).

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan.Strassberg@att.net <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: Ron Bello <rbello@belloassoc.com>, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com>
Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 03:25:06 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston

WEEU is definitely listenable on my car radio in suburbs west of Philly
during daylight hours. Nights, probably not but I can't say for sure. Before
moving to 830 a decade or so ago, WEEU was on 850 with much lower power. The
transmitter was a good deal closer to Philly, however. Used to be south of
Reading; now it's well north.

-----

Dan Strassberg
eFax 1-707-215-6367
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Bello" 
To: "Kevin Vahey" 
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in
Boston


> Also claiming WEEU 830 (not 850) covers Philly
> Pretty sad that only 2 out of the top 10 markets have broadcast coverage
>
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26455
>>
>> I am a little surprised 98.5 passed on it.
>>
>> But claiming WTPL is covering the Boston market is sad.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Ron Bello
> Bello Associates
> One Sixty Speen Street LLC
> Two Seventy One Worcester Rd LLC
> Forty One Meetinghouse Lane LLC
> 160 Speen Street - Suite 303
> Framingham, MA  01701
> 508-820-1100  Fax 820-1112


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sun Jun  3 15:32:10 2012
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame 
Message-ID: <170ca.45a841f3.3cfd15b9@aol.com>

An oldies format on an AM station a few notches away from  pulling the 
plug. HD would be the first thing to unplug.
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 12:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

And the  music will sound just fine on WBZ AM  HD!



From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 15:21:39 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:21:39 -0400
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
References: <339387388.103549.1337439814689.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <23AE21286C3D4AED8B1364BBDD771B1D@s20035>



>> "WEEI has regained most of the audience it has lost to WBZ-FM." 

What planet are you on?

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 15:27:17 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:27:17 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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> Another reason (in addition to all those disturbed by the inexorable 
> disappearance of certain radio genres) why satellite radio, Sirius/XM, is 
> an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio. <<

Another reason why you A<FM broadcast radio is an absolute must for anyone 
who considers themselves a fan of radio.

Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of the rest of the population is 
listening to.

Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the formats on Sirius/XM 
that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast 
formats available to anyone on AM/FM.

I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say that you never (ever!) 
listen to AM or FM broadcast....and don't even need to.



From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 15:56:12 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:56:12 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame 
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> An oldies format on an AM station a few notches away from  pulling the 
> plug. HD would be the first thing to unplug.


They sound great right now in HD!

From elliotabrams@gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:22:46 2012
From: elliotabrams@gmail.com (Elliot Abrams)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:22:46 -0400
Subject: Morning weather
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As the morning weather person on WBZ,  KYW,  (1/3 of the time) WINS), and
WBBM I find each market interesting and challenging. WBZ and KYW allow
enough time to bring in other related topics and PUNishment. What I
appreciate is that all the anchors I work with are in tune with how the
weather is affecting people that day, and this makes it easier to get right
into the day's weather story.

I have been using Twitter (accu_elliot), Facebook (Elliot Abrams Fan Page),
and have a daily blog and video on accuweather.com  (thank goodness for the
small screen in the video so I can get away with my great face for radio!).
I used to receive more user questions and interactions before CBS branding
took over the stations' web pages. I understand why that decision was made,
and assume it is working out for the stations involved.

While computer models keep improving and radar coverage and quality have
improved, I have found that Twitter and all the traffic and other web cams
have been very helpful. In the Buffalo area (for WBEN) it is great to see
how the winter snow looks on all the New York Thruway cams in that area. I
can really tell where the problems are more effectively than by using
official weather observations. With Twitter, there is a quality control /
accuracy issue, but it soon becomes apparent who is doing a great job.

As for music, my iPad has songs from 1958 to last week, and the videos are
great for keeping going on the elliptical trainer at the gym each day.
Nikki Minaj's "Starships",  Rihanna's (never sure I spell her name right)
"Where Have You Been" and Eric Church's "Springsteen" are my favorites this
week, and I find them to be just as good if not better than songs I love
from the 60s.

From paulranderson@charter.net  Sun Jun  3 18:58:11 2012
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:58:11 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Don wrote:

> Another reason why you A<FM broadcast radio is an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio.
> 
> Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of the rest of the population is listening to.

Localism, yes.  But how many AM or FM stations broadcast anything "local" anymore besides traffic reports in drive time or an occasional weather report?  Besides WBZ?

And why would I care what 95% of the population is listening to?  I listen to hear music _I_ like, not necessarily what the masses like.

> Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM.

That's the point.  They have so many channels that, by definition, none would get ratings such as AM or FM stations.  They're a subscription service that caters to people who like MUSIC, who are, for the most part, ignored by the lowest-common-denominator, cookie-cutter music broadcast by AM and FM stations.

And which channels, exactly, duplicate the formats available on AM/FM?  The 60s on 6?  That's a format that's sort of available on AM/FM, but you'll hear songs there you'll never hear on AM/FM.

> I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say that you never (ever!) listen to AM or FM broadcast....and don't even need to.

I used to be a fan of radio.  Most of it is unlistenable now.  If I listen to FM anymore, I listen more to the jocks and sweepers and newscasts and turn away when the music comes on.  The opposite of the general public.

Paul

From sid@wrko.com  Mon Jun  4 07:40:32 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:40:32 +0000
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
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>> "WEEI has regained most of the audience it has lost to WBZ-FM." 

"What planet are you on?"

One where we pay more attention to facts than opinions.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From sid@wrko.com  Mon Jun  4 07:53:26 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:53:26 +0000
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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"the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."

The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating satellite radio in 2008.

There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with it) and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's past, when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying for radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Mon Jun  4 12:07:07 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:07:07 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
cable channels.

I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
missing.

So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
myself listening to broadcast.

The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
time.

When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
to offer.

Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
channels is even worse.

-Bob




On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> wrote:

> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet
> Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> satellite radio in 2008.
>
> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
>  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with it)
> and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can
> understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's past,
> when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying for
> radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>
>

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 13:07:05 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:07:05 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite > radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> Stern's main channel.
> No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet Eastlan's minimum
> reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped > rating satellite radio in
> 2008.

The last report I saw for Boston had Howard getting ratings, then the 60's,
70's 80's (Oldies/AC) channels....along with the SiriusXM Hits and 20 on 20
(CHR) channels.

> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
> Some of them come close in programming
> content, but none of them carry commercials

Sorry, Sirius/XM still carries WLTW (and a few other OTA broadcasts) don't
they?  Unless it has gone away recently.


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Jun  4 15:48:01 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:48:01 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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<<On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:07:05 -0400, "Don" <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> Sorry, Sirius/XM still carries WLTW (and a few other OTA broadcasts) don't
> they?  Unless it has gone away recently.

Because of an early investment Clear Channel made in XM, they have the
right to program some number of XM channels (which are now also heard
on the Sirius platform AIUI) with the commercial formats of their
choice.  For a while it was just random Premium Choice stuff off a
hard drive in Cincinnati, but last year they dropped that and switched
to simulcasts of existing programming -- WLTW, WHTZ, KIIS, WLW, and
WSIX are the ones I can recall seeting.  I don't know when this deal
ends.

-GAWollman

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Jun  4 16:05:20 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:05:20 -0400
Subject: Satellite radio
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<<On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:53:26 +0000, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> the idea of paying for radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably
> never will on a mass scale.

Um, 21.9 million subs in 2011 is about 10% of all households.  That's
a mass audience by any stretch of the imagination.  (Source: SEC
filings.)  That's comparable to Comcast and Netflix subscriber counts.
I think people are plenty accustomed to paying for entertainment.
They are reporting about a 2% quarterly churn rate, which is
surprisingly low, with $100 million in quarterly earnings on $800
million in revenue.  (Sorry, I don't have time to look up comparable
terrestrial broadcasters -- so many are now private that it's hard to
find a good comparison.  They claim CC's revenue is $672 million for
the same quarter.)

You can read the same presentation at
<http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/908937/000093041312003219/c69788_ex99-1.htm>.

The open question is: will John Malone get control of the company and
screw it up, as he is currently attempting to do.  See the 8-K at
<http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/908937/000119312512255230/d361603d8k.htm>
and Liberty's SC 13D/A at
<http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/908937/000110465912040811/a12-13362_1sc13da.htm>.

-GAWollman

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 15:41:52 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:41:52 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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They stopped WLW over 2 years ago but do run the overnight show


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Don <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, Sirius/XM still carries WLTW (and a few other OTA broadcasts) don't
> they?  Unless it has gone away recently.
>
>

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Mon Jun  4 17:00:06 2012
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:00:06 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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I beg to differ.  When Uncle Mel took control of XM the programming changed dramatically took a turn for the commercial. The decades channels in particular went from playing deep tracks to the same crap heard on terrestrial radio.  Fortunately he hasn't discovered the jazz channels yet.



> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones 
> that duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to 
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite > radio in its local 
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, 
> Howard Stern's main channel.
> No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet Eastlan's minimum 
> reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped > rating satellite radio in 
> 2008.




From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jun  4 20:37:11 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:37:11 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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I am hopeful we can discuss this one with courtesy, rather than breaking 
it down via partisan points of view.  There's a question being raised in 
Wisconsin by Sue Wilson, a Democratic advocate from the Media Action 
Center,  about the fact that all the leading radio stations in Milwaukee 
are dominated by Republican talk shows and are only inviting Republican 
guests to discuss the issues and to promote voting for Republicans 
(including the governor).  Beyond whether you do or do not like 
Democrats (or Republicans, for that matter), does radio still have a 
duty to present both sides of major issues when a small group of 
corporate owners control all the stations?  I always thought radio 
should present guests from both sides, and here in Boston, as you know, 
hosts like David Brudnoy, even though they were personally conservative, 
always invited guests from both sides and treated them with respect. 
But in some cities, evidently, not so much.
http://www.talkers.com/2012/06/04/wisconsin-recall-spurs-question-of-equal-time-on-milwaukee-newstalk-outlets/

From paul@derrynh.net  Mon Jun  4 21:51:03 2012
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 21:51:03 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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Hello:

I would certainly want to chime in on this.

My first question is do we consider radio separate from Television, 
Newspapers and Magazines as part of the so-called 'media'?

Who owns the Milwaukee Journal, for example? (I don't know the name of the 
Madison paper, but dollars to donuts in a Government Workers/University town 
it supports the Dem, if for no other reason than its audience in Madison is 
likely to support him).

If we think there should be 'equity' in radio, then I would submit that 
equity should also apply to television (MSNBC, CNN etc) and even to print 
media.

I believe it is a mistake to take the one part of todays USA media that is 
mostly (NPR is NO friend of the conservative) right-of-center and think it 
should be more 'equal', and not then set the same standard to apply to ALL 
forms of media (where I submit the left-of-center view holds predominance in 
this country)

Full Disclose, I am rooting hard for Gov. Walker tomorrow.....

PS: I had more comments but in the interest of keeping this cordial I 
deleted...<G>

Paul Hopfgarten
Epping NH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Donna Halper
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:37 PM
To: Boston Radio
Subject: equal time controversy

I am hopeful we can discuss this one with courtesy, rather than breaking
it down via partisan points of view.  There's a question being raised in
Wisconsin by Sue Wilson, a Democratic advocate from the Media Action
Center,  about the fact that all the leading radio stations in Milwaukee
are dominated by Republican talk shows and are only inviting Republican
guests to discuss the issues and to promote voting for Republicans
(including the governor).  Beyond whether you do or do not like
Democrats (or Republicans, for that matter), does radio still have a
duty to present both sides of major issues when a small group of
corporate owners control all the stations?  I always thought radio
should present guests from both sides, and here in Boston, as you know,
hosts like David Brudnoy, even though they were personally conservative,
always invited guests from both sides and treated them with respect.
But in some cities, evidently, not so much.
http://www.talkers.com/2012/06/04/wisconsin-recall-spurs-question-of-equal-time-on-milwaukee-newstalk-outlets/ 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Jun  4 22:09:17 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:09:17 -0400
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<<On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:37:11 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> Democrats (or Republicans, for that matter), does radio still have a 
> duty to present both sides of major issues when a small group of 
> corporate owners control all the stations?

I have three answers:

1) What do you mean, "both sides"?  Most important issues have either
one side or several; very few questions of public importance actually
come with two sides -- that's just an illusion created to reinforce
the interests of the two large political parties; it's not reality.

2) Legally, not at all.  Morally, probably.  It would help if
producers and hosts were sufficiently knowledgeable to distinguish
between the loonies and those with credible opinions.

3) Given how much radio time is sold to quacks and frauds of various
kinds, I don't honestly expect any commercial broadcaster to treat any
important issue with due seriousness outside of the Sunday morning
public-affairs ghetto.

-GAWollman

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Jun  4 22:33:53 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:33:53 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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<<On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 21:51:03 -0400, "Paul Hopfgarten" <paul@derrynh.net> said:

> Who owns the Milwaukee Journal, for example?

Historically, The Milwaukee Journal was privately owned.  It was later
employee-owned, and now it is owned by a public company, Journal
Communications.  Journal Broadcast Group, the company's broadcasting
arm, in Wisconsin owns only the former WTMJ-AM/FM/TV cluster.  The
Journal Sentinel (as it is now) editorial board supports Walker,
saying that policy controversies, however deep, should not be grounds
for recalling a sitting governor.

> (I don't know the name of the Madison paper,

The Wisconsin State Journal is owned by Lee Enterprises of Davenport,
Iowa.  Lee includes the old Pulitzer newspapers among others, and went
bankrupt in 2011.  I can't tell if the State Journal has taken an
editorial position on the matter; they don't seem to have done so in
the last 12 months.  (They did, on the other hand, take a stand
against the cent and the dollar bill, our two most outmoded forms of
currency.)

-GAWollman

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jun  4 22:47:58 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 22:47:58 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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On 6/4/2012 9:51 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
>
> Who owns the Milwaukee Journal, for example? (I don't know the name of 
> the Madison paper, but dollars to donuts in a Government 
> Workers/University town it supports the Dem, if for no other reason 
> than its audience in Madison is likely to support him).

First, Paul, thanks for chiming in.  One of the best ways to examine 
these issues is to exchange ideas.  I was asking about radio mainly, but 
as for newspapers, you are wrong if you think being in a University town 
means all the media are pro-Democrats.  There are several media outlets 
that lean right, and several that lean left.  Madison is surprisingly 
diverse as a media market.  (I used to consult there.)

you wrote--
>
> If we think there should be 'equity' in radio, then I would submit 
> that equity should also apply to television (MSNBC, CNN etc) and even 
> to print media.

And to Fox, which just about always takes one point of view.  But that 
said, there's a bigger problem here.  MSNBC tries very hard to get 
guests from all sides of the issues, as does CNN.  Sadly, we now have a 
culture where everything is so polarized (the non-partisan Pew Center 
just released a study about that today, in fact) that candidates no 
longer feel the need to go on "unfriendly" stations-- they just select 
those outlets they believe will agree with them.  I find this a 
short-sighted strategy.  I think Republicans should go on some MSNBC 
shows, and some Democrats have in fact gone on Fox.  Exchanges of ideas, 
especially if they are respectful, can be very good for democracy.  But 
the issue was the radio stations in Milwaukee, all of which seem united 
in only interviewing, and rooting for, Republicans.  Not sure that's 
helpful for democracy.

you wrote--
>
> I believe it is a mistake to take the one part of todays USA media 
> that is mostly (NPR is NO friend of the conservative) right-of-center 
> and think it should be more 'equal',

No offense, Paul, but it's a very durable myth that the media are 
liberal.  Study after study shows they are not.  if anything, they are 
corporate.  95% of all talk shows are hosted by conservatives.  As for 
NPR, studies show that nearly 50% of its listeners identify as 
Republican, and its news coverage has been rated relentless fair-- in 
fact NPR interviews more conservatives than they do liberals.  My 
concern is that we live in such a polarized country, and it seems radio 
and TV are simply increasing the polarization.

From atolz@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 22:32:29 2012
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:32:29 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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First, thanks for sending the article our way...I didn't know Steve Weisman 
was Talkers Legal Editor.  We worked together back in the day at WRKO.

In as far as talk radio providing a forum for all sides of the story and 
including any and all candidates that run for a given office, IMHO, that's 
the most compelling way to program a talk show.  When Jerry Williams and as 
Donna accurately points out, David Brudnoy did shows on upcoming elections 
producers made it a point to invite EVERY candidate running for that 
particular office.  Sometimes they would show up, other times their press 
handlers felt as if they would not be treated fairly by the host and/or the 
audience and they would decline to appear, but from the perspective of 
providing the best possible program we wanted everyone involved.  The 
program was livlier... it allowed for crosstalk between the candidates that 
you'd never get in a debate format and it was comeplling talk radio in the 
hands of a talented host whether they had an agenda or not.

Now, should radio be obligated to offer equal time as the Commission used to 
mandate?  I would say within 30 days of an election, yes.  Should the 
Fairness Doctrine be put back into place?  I don't think so.  There are far 
more outlets in the internet age and frankly, the power of talk radio to 
sway an election has diminished in large part due to the overall 
fragmentation of the audience and the ham-handed way that partisan talk has 
taken over what's left of the talk radio landscape.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Boston Radio" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: equal time controversy


>I am hopeful we can discuss this one with courtesy, rather than breaking it 
>down via partisan points of view.  There's a question being raised in 
>Wisconsin by Sue Wilson, a Democratic advocate from the Media Action 
>Center,  about the fact that all the leading radio stations in Milwaukee 
>are dominated by Republican talk shows and are only inviting Republican 
>guests to discuss the issues and to promote voting for Republicans 
>(including the governor).  Beyond whether you do or do not like Democrats 
>(or Republicans, for that matter), does radio still have a duty to present 
>both sides of major issues when a small group of corporate owners control 
>all the stations?  I always thought radio should present guests from both 
>sides, and here in Boston, as you know, hosts like David Brudnoy, even 
>though they were personally conservative, always invited guests from both 
>sides and treated them with respect. But in some cities, evidently, not so 
>much.
> http://www.talkers.com/2012/06/04/wisconsin-recall-spurs-question-of-equal-time-on-milwaukee-newstalk-outlets/
> 


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Mon Jun  4 23:07:31 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:07:31 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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>
> Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the
> sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very
> current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and
> the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency,
> I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could
> certainly enumerate additional.
>

That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has
satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression
that the XM music channels
sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of
the less popular channels up the dial.


> As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a
> national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in
> the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.
>


I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local
sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage
that local radio has over satellite.
Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas
away from major markets.


-Bob



>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
> To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>
> Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
> About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
> cable channels.
>
> I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
> to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
> them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
> lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
> missing.
>
> So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
> myself listening to broadcast.
>
> The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
> or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
> they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
> time.
>
> When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
> plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
> plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
> but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
> to offer.
>
> Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
> be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
> channels is even worse.
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:
>
> > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
> >
> > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to
> meet
> > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> > satellite radio in 2008.
> >
> > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
> >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with
> it)
> > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can
> > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's
> past,
> > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying
> for
> > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
> >
> > Sid Schweiger
> > IT Manager, Entercom New England
> > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> > Brighton MA  02135-2040
> >
> >
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 22:22:15 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
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Do you thinkt the name WFNX or in general "Phoenix Radio" has any value at all? Is there a way to make money off of that name?  Maybe as an online station?  Yes/No?

Maybe not now...maybe it can/will in the future.  

Mindich is just protecting/salvaging whatever he can for potential use in the future.  Smart move.....




--- On Sun, 5/27/12, Karen McTrotsky <karenmctrotsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whoa.? I can understand Globe
> scribes, who know nothing about? radio,
> talking about the "intellectual property" of WFNX, but radio
> people should
> know better.
> 
> Other than logos, trade marks or service marks, WFNX has no
> intellectual
> property. 


From Jibguy@aol.com  Mon Jun  4 22:57:15 2012
From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 22:57:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: equal time controversy
Message-ID: <cf482.7b22c6e1.3cfecf8b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/4/2012 9:18:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dlh@donnahalper.com writes:

does  radio still have a 
duty to present both sides of major issues when a small  group of 
corporate owners control all the stations?  I always thought  radio 
should present guests from both sides,


-------------------------
Definitely not. 
1) - Even just the paperwork to prove a station did both sides or all sides 
 would croak a station quite fast.
2) - Also croaking a station would be the producers (lining up guests)  
having to evaluate every groups' position and evaluate such.
3) - Are there always 2 sides to an issue?  No.   Is the  Occupy Movement 
the opposite of the Tea Party? Not necessarily.  The Occupy  Movement is made 
of up people with 10 different major gripes, some of which are  contrary to 
each other.
 
The answer is one of two things:
1) - The left must be as organized as the right.  They are not.   Somehow, 
the left cannot get their act together to use media.
2) -  Re-regulate radio by going back to strict limits on station  
ownership.  Doesn't have to be 7-7-7, but it could be 20-20-20.
 
Going back to the Fairness Doctrine would also cause many talk stations to  
start playing music instead. Much much easier to pay music-licensing fees 
than  it would be to manage equal opinions all the time.
 
-----Bob Bittner 

From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Jun  4 13:58:08 2012
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:58:08 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
Message-ID: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Karen McTrotsky
>Sent: 05/27/12 07:39 PM
>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?

 >Whoa. I can understand Globe scribes, who know nothing about radio, >talking about the "intellectual property" of WFNX, but radio people should >know better. >Other than logos, trade marks or service marks, WFNX has no intellectual >property. And what they got, nobody needs to do exactly what they did in >the way they did it. >The call letters? They aren't a service mark. They get changed, they're >up for grabs. q.v. WCOZ, WROR, WMEX 

 The Boston Globe prints an insert inside the print edition of the paper called the 'G' section (its predecessor was
 an insert on Thursdays only called "Calendar", but they wisely decided not to call nowadays the 'C' section). As
 the weekend approaches, this 'G' section provides listings of performers appearing at various venues, often
 with the sponsor. Some shows appear to be sponsored by WFNX, as well as WBOS and WODS. Thus, I',
 assuming that in the future, there may still be WFNX-sponsored shows after the frequency trades ownership.
 Maybe THAT will in some sense be considered "intellectual property".

From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 22:34:27 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:34:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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Sirius/XM carries some superior, really well-programmed (though I suppose a matter of taste...don't think many on this distro would care for them) OTAs such as Z100 out of NYC and Kiis out of LA...I certainly wouldn't pay for something I could get for free, but truth is, you can't get this array of programming, music, news, sports (all), comedy, political commentary, talk...one stop shopping with a crystal clear signal, anywhere else.  The pathetic product produced by the terrestrial stations (it's not just the commercials that drive the audience elsewhere) have insured satellite's success and lamenting what's past and no longer meaningful to current taste and technology will have little influence on the future.   It is important to know where you've been to know where you're going; the trick is to not get stuck in a rut on the way.

----- Original Message -----
From: Don <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com>
To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:07:05 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston



> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite > radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> Stern's main channel.
> No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet Eastlan's minimum
> reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped > rating satellite radio in
> 2008.

The last report I saw for Boston had Howard getting ratings, then the 60's,
70's 80's (Oldies/AC) channels....along with the SiriusXM Hits and 20 on 20
(CHR) channels.

> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
> Some of them come close in programming
> content, but none of them carry commercials

Sorry, Sirius/XM still carries WLTW (and a few other OTA broadcasts) don't
they?  Unless it has gone away recently.


From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 22:40:22 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:40:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency, I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could certainly enumerate additional.  As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.  

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY

Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
cable channels.

I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
missing.

So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
myself listening to broadcast.

The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
time.

When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
to offer.

Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
channels is even worse.

-Bob




On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet
> Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> satellite radio in 2008.
>
> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
>  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with it)
> and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can
> understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's past,
> when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying for
> radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 22:38:03 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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> > Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of the rest of
> the population is listening to.
> 
> Localism, yes.  But how many AM or FM stations
> broadcast anything "local" anymore besides traffic reports
> in drive time or an occasional weather report?  Besides
> WBZ?

Plenty.   If it's nothing more than "The Sox won today", "Back Bay is in a blackout", "Wow, an early snowstorm", The Rolling Stones are coming to Fenway"

These are all small mentions, but do a lot to make a connection with people.   

> And why would I care what 95% of the population is listening
> to?  

...Because if you are a "fan" of radio broadcasting (like the original poster said) then you realize that this is BROAD-casting...an effort to connect with as many people as possible and get them to listen for as long as possible.

> I listen to hear music _I_ like, not necessarily
> what the masses like.

There's plenty of ways for you to hear music _you_ like. Pandora, iTunes, SiriusXM, etc.

People tune into the radio to be "connected", that's what radio does best.  Otherwise just turn on your iPod.   

> > Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the
> formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the
> ones that duplicate the broadcast formats available to
> anyone on AM/FM.
> 
> That's the point.  They have so many channels that, by
> definition, none would get ratings such as AM or FM
> stations.  

The ratings for the ENTIRE service as a whole are miniscule.

> And which channels, exactly, duplicate the formats available
> on AM/FM?  The 60s on 6?  That's a format that's
> sort of available on AM/FM, but you'll hear songs there
> you'll never hear on AM/FM.

Basically 60's on 6 is an oldies format.  Will you hear songs you don't hear on the radio?  Yes, because they are a niche format.  Ergo their ratings.  It also limits their audience to people who only want to hear 60's music.  

> > I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say
> that you never (ever!) listen to AM or FM broadcast....and
> don't even need to.
> 
> I used to be a fan of radio.  Most of it is
> unlistenable now.  If I listen to FM anymore, I listen
> more to the jocks and sweepers and newscasts and turn away
> when the music comes on.  The opposite of the general
> public.

I think that you are probably closer to how other people in your age group behave than you'd like to think, especially as you travel out of the target demos and the music loses some of it's appeal.

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Jun  4 22:42:26 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 22:42:26 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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On 6/4/2012 10:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> The Wisconsin State Journal is owned by Lee Enterprises of Davenport,
> Iowa.  Lee includes the old Pulitzer newspapers among others, and went
> bankrupt in 2011.  I can't tell if the State Journal has taken an
> editorial position on the matter; they don't seem to have done so in
> the last 12 months.  (They did, on the other hand, take a stand
> against the cent and the dollar bill, our two most outmoded forms of
> currency.)

My friends in Madison (most of whom, unsurprisingly, lean left in their 
politics) are largely of the opinion that the Wisconsin State Journal's 
coverage, both on the editorial page and in the news pages, has leaned 
pro-Walker.

There is (sort of) a second newspaper in Madison: the Capital Times was 
a daily afternoon paper published under a joint operating agreement with 
the WSJ until just a few years ago. If the WSJ leans right, the CT most 
definitely leaned left.

When the CT's days as a daily print outlet ceased, it continued with 
online news coverage and as two tabloid sections (one focused on arts 
and entertainment, one on news and politics) inserted into the WSJ each 
week.

s

From Jibguy@aol.com  Mon Jun  4 23:44:12 2012
From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Satellite radio
Message-ID: <d027c.5d29a649.3cfeda8c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/4/2012 4:07:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wollman@bimajority.org writes:

I think  people are plenty accustomed to paying for  entertainment.



--------------------
I agree with GAW.   With AM-FM radio laden with SO many obnoxious  
commercials, and with AM-FM radio becoming even more and more (music) boring,  full 
of sameness,  satellite radio is a very good alternative, especially  for 
people on the road a lot.  Those folks who travel bigger distances  don't want 
to bother to find their kind of AM-FM station every 75 miles,  especially 
when they have to wait 6 minutes for the commercials to end, to see  if the 
station plays his/her kind of music.  Soooo much easier to flip on  any of a 
person's fave satellite channels.   
 
AM-FM radio, beware....  Sameness to other stations in the market will  
kill you.
 
---Bob Bittner
 
 

From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 23:14:20 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:14:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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I think you are hearkening back to a truly bygone era.  95% of the population?  You must mean 95% of the population that still listens to OTA radio....which has rapidly diminished and continues to decline.  The population I know under the age of 25 almost NEVER listens to OTA radio stations.  It's satellite or Ipods.  End of story.  They have no patience for listening to what they don't care for and for commercials that don't speak to them.  I truly can be a fan of radio, just not a fan of bad radio which is all too prevalent and has led to the advent of satellite. I don't think anyone who watches television on slick flat screens in HD wants to go back to watching What's My Line? on black and white tube televisions. And I prefer not to listen to a poorly produced radio product delivered on a weak, noisy signal. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan of radio...just not a fan of a poorly produced product on a less-than-optimum signal that doesn't align with my preferences.  To wit, I do listen to the SportsHub on a daily basis....because it DOES align with my interests and is delivered on a signal that is not distracting and annoying.  I just don't understand the idea that one has to be some kind of "radio purist" listening to irrelevant stations, lamenting the old days and damning inventive, innovative technology that has expanded the dimensions of the medium.  I am a fan of radio.....just good radio (because how, really, can you be a fan of something you don't like?)....I think that would make me a discriminating consumer. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Don <Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>
To: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:27:17 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston



> Another reason (in addition to all those disturbed by the inexorable 
> disappearance of certain radio genres) why satellite radio, Sirius/XM, is 
> an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio. <<

Another reason why you A<FM 
who considers themselves a fan of radio.

Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of the rest of the population is 
listening to.

Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the formats on Sirius/XM 
that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast 
formats available to anyone on AM/FM.

I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say that you never (ever!) 
listen to AM or FM broadcast....and don't even need to.



From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 23:47:38 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:47:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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I think "listenable" is a relative term, especially when discussing a station known as The Hound (which likely faded around the next corner).....I'll take satellite, thanks!


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: ljs0610@comcast.net
Cc: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:25:04 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY

I had satelitte radio drop out when I went into a small valley and under some trees in Ridgway. Guess what was still listenable across most of the area around here when satelitte radio went out?

The 50KW ERP signal of 97.5 The Hound, WDDH where I work.

Paul


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:20 PM,  <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:


You are right about that...sometimes tall buildings are an impediment, too.  But overall the reception and coverage is something local radio could never achieve by its very nature....



----- Original Message -----


From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>


Cc: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:15:00 -0000 (UTC)


Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY

Satelitte radio reception isn't always perfect, either.

Here in the Northern Allegheny Mountain region of North Central PA, I regularly drive around with a friend who has satelitte radio is his car. .I've had it drop out several times when we're in lower terrain or pass under/by some obstruction, bye bye goes the satelitte signal.

paul




On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net> wrote:



>


> Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the


> sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very


> current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and


> the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency,


> I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could


> certainly enumerate additional.


>



That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has


satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression


that the XM music channels


sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of


the less popular channels up the dial.




> As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a


> national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in


> the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.


>




I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local


sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage


that local radio has over satellite.


Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas


away from major markets.




-Bob





>


> ----- Original Message -----


> From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>


> To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>


> Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)


> Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY


>


> Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.


> About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV


> cable channels.


>


> I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening


> to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have


> them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its


> lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something


> missing.


>


> So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find


> myself listening to broadcast.


>


> The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH


> or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations


> they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a


> time.


>


> When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that




> plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it


> plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,


> but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has


> to offer.


>


> Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to


> be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music


> channels is even worse.


>


> -Bob


>


>


>


>


> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:


>


> > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that


> > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."


> >


> > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to


> > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local


> > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard


> > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to


> meet


> > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating


> > satellite radio in 2008.


> >


> > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.


> >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry


> > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with


> it)


> > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can


> > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's


> past,


> > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without


> > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying


> for


> > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.


> >


> > Sid Schweiger


> > IT Manager, Entercom New England


> > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor


> > Brighton MA  02135-2040


> >


> >


>









From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 23:25:04 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:25:04 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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I had satelitte radio drop out when I went into a small valley and under
some trees in Ridgway. Guess what was still listenable across most of the
area around here when satelitte radio went out?

The 50KW ERP signal of 97.5 The Hound, WDDH where I work.

Paul

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:20 PM, <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:

> You are right about that...sometimes tall buildings are an impediment,
> too.  But overall the reception and coverage is something local radio could
> never achieve by its very nature....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
> Cc: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:15:00 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>
> Satelitte radio reception isn't always perfect, either.
>
> Here in the Northern Allegheny Mountain region of North Central PA, I
> regularly drive around with a friend who has satelitte radio is his car.
> .I've had it drop out several times when we're in lower terrain or pass
> under/by some obstruction, bye bye goes the satelitte signal.
>
> paul
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the
>>
>>
>> > sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very
>>
>>
>> > current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones
>> and
>>
>>
>> > the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of
>> currency,
>>
>>
>> > I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could
>>
>>
>> > certainly enumerate additional.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has
>>
>>
>> satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my
>> impression
>>
>>
>> that the XM music channels
>>
>>
>> sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of
>>
>>
>> the less popular channels up the dial.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a
>>
>>
>> > national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in
>>
>>
>> > the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local
>>
>>
>> sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage
>>
>>
>> that local radio has over satellite.
>>
>>
>> Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas
>>
>>
>> away from major markets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> > From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
>>
>>
>> > To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>>
>>
>> > Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>
>>
>> > Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
>>
>>
>> > About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
>>
>>
>> > cable channels.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
>>
>>
>> > to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
>>
>>
>> > them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
>>
>>
>> > lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just
>> something
>>
>>
>> > missing.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
>>
>>
>> > myself listening to broadcast.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
>>
>>
>> > or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
>>
>>
>> > they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
>>
>>
>> > time.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
>>
>>
>> > plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
>>
>>
>> > plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
>>
>>
>> > but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
>>
>>
>> > to offer.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
>>
>>
>> > be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
>>
>>
>> > channels is even worse.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > -Bob
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones
>> that
>>
>>
>> > > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>>
>>
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
>>
>>
>> > > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
>>
>>
>> > > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100,
>> Howard
>>
>>
>> > > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to
>>
>>
>> > meet
>>
>>
>> > > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
>>
>>
>> > > satellite radio in 2008.
>>
>>
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast
>> station.
>>
>>
>> > >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them
>> carry
>>
>>
>> > > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along
>> with
>>
>>
>> > it)
>>
>>
>> > > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I
>> can
>>
>>
>> > > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's
>>
>>
>> > past,
>>
>>
>> > > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station
>> without
>>
>>
>> > > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying
>>
>>
>> > for
>>
>>
>> > > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
>>
>>
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > > Sid Schweiger
>>
>>
>> > > IT Manager, Entercom New England
>>
>>
>> > > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
>>
>>
>> > > Brighton MA  02135-2040
>>
>>
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>

From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 23:18:46 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:18:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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I can't remember the last time I relied on or even listened to a local weather report on radio or television.  My smart phone gives me constant, up-to-date weather information and alerts on a real-time basis.  I don't know anyone who relies on the radio for weather reports anymore...and most stations don't program weather into their formats unless there is something impactful impending.  If so, most people are going straight to the weather channel....



omcast.net
Cc: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:07:31 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY




Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency, I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could certainly enumerate additional.  


That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression that the XM music channels




sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of the less popular channels up the dial.
 

As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.  





I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage that local radio has over satellite.  
Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas away from major markets.




-Bob


 




----- Original Message -----
From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>




Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY

Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV




cable channels.

I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its




lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
missing.

So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
myself listening to broadcast.

The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH




or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
time.

When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that




plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
to offer.

Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
channels is even worse.

-Bob





On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."




>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard




> Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet
> Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> satellite radio in 2008.
>
> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.




>  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with it)
> and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can




> understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's past,
> when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying for




> radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>




>




From ljs0610@comcast.net  Mon Jun  4 23:20:08 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:20:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg0LbkSYqH9WQaB-C8t99Nz3+vUdE6Hh2d-sfxz+DhxWBw@mail.gmail.com>
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You are right about that...sometimes tall buildings are an impediment, too.  But overall the reception and coverage is something local radio could never achieve by its very nature....

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
Cc: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:15:00 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY

Satelitte radio reception isn't always perfect, either.

Here in the Northern Allegheny Mountain region of North Central PA, I regularly drive around with a friend who has satelitte radio is his car. .I've had it drop out several times when we're in lower terrain or pass under/by some obstruction, bye bye goes the satelitte signal.

paul




On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net> wrote:



>


> Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the


> sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very


> current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and


> the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency,


> I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could


> certainly enumerate additional.


>



That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has


satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression


that the XM music channels


sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of


the less popular channels up the dial.




> As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a


> national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in


> the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.


>




I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local


sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage


that local radio has over satellite.


Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas


away from major markets.




-Bob





>


> ----- Original Message -----


> From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>


> To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>


> Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)


> Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY


>


> Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.


> About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV


> cable channels.


>


> I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening


> to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have


> them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its


> lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something


> missing.


>


> So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find


> myself listening to broadcast.


>


> The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH


> or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations


> they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a


> time.


>


> When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that


> plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it


> plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,


> but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has


> to offer.


>


> Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to


> be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music


> channels is even worse.


>


> -Bob


>


>


>


>


> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:


>


> > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that


> > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."


> >


> > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to


> > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local


> > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard


> > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to


> meet


> > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating


> > satellite radio in 2008.


> >


> > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.


> >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry


> > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with


> it)


> > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can


> > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's


> past,


> > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without


> > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying


> for


> > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.


> >


> > Sid Schweiger


> > IT Manager, Entercom New England


> > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor


> > Brighton MA  02135-2040


> >


> >


>





From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 23:49:47 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:49:47 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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We produce a listenable signal from Jamestown, NY to Olean, NY down to
Clarion, PA and just past DuBois, PA. We've had listener call us from as
far away as Union City, PA and Butler, PA (in the shadows of an adjacent
channel station)

Our signal does well because the closest 97.5's aren't that close, and
stations on 97.3 and 97.7 are far enough away.

I dont know what a stations name as to do with it?

Paul



On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:47 PM, <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:

> I think "listenable" is a relative term, especially when discussing a
> station known as The Hound (which likely faded around the next
> corner).....I'll take satellite, thanks!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: ljs0610@comcast.net
> Cc: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>, B-R-I <
> boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:25:04 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>
> I had satelitte radio drop out when I went into a small valley and under
> some trees in Ridgway. Guess what was still listenable across most of the
> area around here when satelitte radio went out?
>
> The 50KW ERP signal of 97.5 The Hound, WDDH where I work.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:20 PM,  <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> You are right about that...sometimes tall buildings are an impediment,
>> too.  But overall the reception and coverage is something local radio could
>> never achieve by its very nature....
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
>> To: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
>>
>>
>> Cc: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>> Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:15:00 -0000 (UTC)
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>>
>> Satelitte radio reception isn't always perfect, either.
>>
>> Here in the Northern Allegheny Mountain region of North Central PA, I
>> regularly drive around with a friend who has satelitte radio is his car.
>> .I've had it drop out several times when we're in lower terrain or pass
>> under/by some obstruction, bye bye goes the satelitte signal.
>>
>> paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the
>>>
>>>
>>> > sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and
>>> very
>>>
>>>
>>> > current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy
>>> Jones and
>>>
>>>
>>> > the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of
>>> currency,
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could
>>>
>>>
>>> > certainly enumerate additional.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has
>>>
>>>
>>> satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my
>>> impression
>>>
>>>
>>> that the XM music channels
>>>
>>>
>>> sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>> the less popular channels up the dial.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a
>>>
>>>
>>> > national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>> > the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local
>>>
>>>
>>> sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an
>>> advantage
>>>
>>>
>>> that local radio has over satellite.
>>>
>>>
>>> Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas
>>>
>>>
>>> away from major markets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> > To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>
>>>
>>> > Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
>>>
>>>
>>> > About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
>>>
>>>
>>> > cable channels.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
>>>
>>>
>>> > to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
>>>
>>>
>>> > them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the
>>> its
>>>
>>>
>>> > lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just
>>> something
>>>
>>>
>>> > missing.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
>>>
>>>
>>> > myself listening to broadcast.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
>>>
>>>
>>> > or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
>>>
>>>
>>> > they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
>>>
>>>
>>> > time.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
>>>
>>>
>>> > plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
>>>
>>>
>>> > but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
>>>
>>>
>>> > to offer.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
>>>
>>>
>>> > be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
>>>
>>>
>>> > channels is even worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > -Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>> > > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>> > > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
>>>
>>>
>>> > > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100,
>>> Howard
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>> > meet
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
>>>
>>>
>>> > > satellite radio in 2008.
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>> > > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast
>>> station.
>>>
>>>
>>> > >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them
>>> carry
>>>
>>>
>>> > > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>> > it)
>>>
>>>
>>> > > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I
>>> can
>>>
>>>
>>> > > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's
>>>
>>>
>>> > past,
>>>
>>>
>>> > > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station
>>> without
>>>
>>>
>>> > > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of
>>> paying
>>>
>>>
>>> > for
>>>
>>>
>>> > > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sid Schweiger
>>>
>>>
>>> > > IT Manager, Entercom New England
>>>
>>>
>>> > > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Brighton MA  02135-2040
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 23:15:00 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:15:00 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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Satelitte radio reception isn't always perfect, either.

Here in the Northern Allegheny Mountain region of North Central PA, I
regularly drive around with a friend who has satelitte radio is his car.
.I've had it drop out several times when we're in lower terrain or pass
under/by some obstruction, bye bye goes the satelitte signal.

paul



On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>wrote:

> >
> > Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the
> > sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very
> > current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones
> and
> > the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of
> currency,
> > I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could
> > certainly enumerate additional.
> >
>
> That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has
> satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression
> that the XM music channels
> sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of
> the less popular channels up the dial.
>
>
> > As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a
> > national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in
> > the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.
> >
>
>
> I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local
> sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage
> that local radio has over satellite.
> Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas
> away from major markets.
>
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
> > To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
> >
> > Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
> > About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
> > cable channels.
> >
> > I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
> > to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
> > them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
> > lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
> > missing.
> >
> > So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
> > myself listening to broadcast.
> >
> > The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
> > or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
> > they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
> > time.
> >
> > When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
> > plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
> > plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
> > but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
> > to offer.
> >
> > Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
> > be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
> > channels is even worse.
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger **wrote:
> >
> > > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> > > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
> > >
> > > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> > > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> > > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100,
> Howard
> > > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to
> > meet
> > > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> > > satellite radio in 2008.
> > >
> > > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
> > >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> > > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with
> > it)
> > > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can
> > > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's
> > past,
> > > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> > > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying
> > for
> > > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
> > >
> > > Sid Schweiger
> > > IT Manager, Entercom New England
> > > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> > > Brighton MA  02135-2040
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 23:54:41 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:54:41 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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In AM Drive, 6am to 10am, we run weather 3 to 4x an hour. From 10am to 7pm,
we run it 2x an hour..and break in with updates as necessary/warranted..
and we do post information on Facebook. Listeners.. they tell us they
appreciate the info and they like knowing we provide that.

Paul



On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:18 PM, <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:

> I can't remember the last time I relied on or even listened to a local
> weather report on radio or television.  My smart phone gives me constant,
> up-to-date weather information and alerts on a real-time basis.  I don't
> know anyone who relies on the radio for weather reports anymore...and most
> stations don't program weather into their formats unless there is something
> impactful impending.  If so, most people are going straight to the weather
> channel....
>
>
>
> omcast.net
> Cc: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:07:31 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>
>
>
>
> Hmmm...really?  No sense of currency?  The day Davy Jones passes, the
> sixties channel brought in their morning jock (who is very live and very
> current each morning) to play Monkees tunes, reminisce about Davy Jones and
> the group, and let listeners weigh in.  If that isn't a sense of currency,
> I'm not sure what it.   That is only one recent example, but I could
> certainly enumerate additional.
>
>
> That's one example, and I'm sure there are more, but local radio has
> satellite radio beat on a day-to-day basis.  I still stand by my impression
> that the XM music channels
>
>
>
>
> sound sterile.  You mention the 60's channel, but try listening to some of
> the less popular channels up the dial.
>
>
> As for "local weather", how do you address that when your audience is a
> national one?  But when there is something unusual going on somewhere in
> the country weatherwise, it gets a mention.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't have to address it; that's my point.  Bringing weather, local
> sports scores, traffic,  and other local community stories is an advantage
> that local radio has over satellite.
> Satellite has advantages too - like reception in mountainous rural areas
> away from major markets.
>
>
>
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>
> To: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:07:07 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
>
> Sirium XM came installed in my car with a free 1-yr subscription.
> About the only things I ever listen to are some of the produced-for-TV
>
>
>
>
> cable channels.
>
> I've tried to listen to the music channels, but it's like listening
> to an automated station most of the time.  The DJs, when they have
> them, sound voice-tracked.  There's no sense of currency.  Maybe the its
>
>
>
>
> lack of a local stories or local weather forecast; there's just something
> missing.
>
> So while I still have access to these stations, most of the time I find
> myself listening to broadcast.
>
> The one major exception is when driving through areas like central NH
>
>
>
>
> or rural PA, where it becomes annoying that the flea-power stations
> they have in the smaller markets only last for 20 to 30 minutes at a
> time.
>
> When I'm not in the mood for commercials, I have a 4Gb USB stick that
>
>
>
>
> plugs into a USB port on my dash.  Set the player to random and it
> plays from a collection of 250+ tracks, all of which I like.  No DJs,
> but no  bad songs either.  This is far superior than anything XM has
> to offer.
>
> Another problem with XM is the compression.  There just doesn't seem to
> be as much "umph" to the sound.   The compression on the non-music
> channels is even worse.
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote:
>
> > "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> > duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
>
>
>
> >
> > The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> > Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite radio in its local
> > ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
>
>
>
>
> > Stern's main channel.  No other satrad channels get enough mentions to
> meet
> > Eastlan's minimum reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped rating
> > satellite radio in 2008.
> >
> > There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
>
>
>
>
> >  Some of them come close in programming content, but none of them carry
> > commercials (and the five- to seven-minute stop sets that go along with
> it)
> > and all the other clutter that OTA music formats must deal with.  I can
>
>
>
>
> > understand why some people think that satrad is evocative of radio's
> past,
> > when you could actually hear music on a music-formatted station without
> > having to wade through all the other formatics, but the idea of paying
> for
>
>
>
>
> > radio hasn't taken hold yet, and probably never will on a mass scale.
> >
> > Sid Schweiger
> > IT Manager, Entercom New England
> > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> > Brighton MA  02135-2040
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 00:19:53 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:19:53 -0400
Subject: Reminder (was: Re: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY)
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Hey, folks, just a reminder:

PLEASE trim unrelated content when you follow up.  Only quote what is
necessary to make it clear what you're responding to.  Many people
read this list in digest form and they will greatly appreciate not
having to scroll through umpteen copies of the messages they've
already read.

-GAWollman

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun  4 23:28:58 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:28:58 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
In-Reply-To: <02FD9B79AF8B422DBCEECF41B90E874B@s20035>
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On 6/1/2012 2:08 AM, Don wrote:

> The biggest blow the "public interest" happenned after the Telcom Act, 
> which,  BTW...was passed under Bill Clinton(D) and our local 
> Congressman Markey(D) (Although there is/was plenty of blame to go 
> around in both parties.)

And Newt Gingerich and a Republican Congress.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 23:44:14 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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>>95% of the population?? You must mean 95% of the population that still listens to OTA radio..

No, Linda I mean the 95% of all Americans who listen to broadcast radio weekly.

>>The population I know under the age of 25 almost NEVER listens to OTA radio stations. 

Well, apparently you don't know everyone under 25 Linda.....while it has definitely declined....there are still plenty of listeners there. 

>>? It's satellite or Ipods? End of story.

Sorry, no, not end of story.? Penetration for satellite radio for under 25's is still vvvvery low. 

>>I truly can be a fan of radio, just not a fan of bad radio which is all too prevalent and has led to the advent of satellite.

So, all local terrestrial broadcast radio is "bad radio"?? 

>>I don't think anyone who watches television on slick flat screens in HD wants to go back to watching What's My Line? on black and white tube televisions.<<

The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high....many people drop it every day.? (until they offer you an ultra discount or free service when you try to cancel.? ;-)

>> And I prefer not to listen to a poorly produced radio product delivered on a weak, noisy signal.

You live in Haverhill.? Can you cite the "weak noisy signals" that you are referring to??? Can you cite the "poorly produced radio product" that you are referring to?

>>I just don't understand the?idea that one has to be some kind of "radio 
purist" listening to irrelevant stations, lamenting the old days and 
damning inventive, innovative?technology that has expanded the 
dimensions of the medium.<<

If anything YOU are the radio purists, who posted to tell the rest of us how you never turn on terrestrial broadcast radio.

Nobody asked anyone to be a radio purist.? Sat Radio has some advantages, so does regular broadcast radio.? No one is damning the technology.? There are many more platforms available now.? We all understand that.? The only one "damning" a platform was you dissing virtually all local broadcast radio.

>.I am a fan of radio.....just good radio?(because how, really, can you be
 a fan of something?you don't like?)....<<

You can certainly be a fan of radio you like.? But your over-the-top slam of broadcast radio (i.e...local radio = "bad radio") just makes you someone with limited scope.? 

Satellite Radio has it's benefits, of course, niche programming.? And for many people who are aging out of the formats available on the broadcast dial, Satellite Radio will help you find the niche of music that appeals to you.? 

Maybe you can tell us what SiriusXM channels are your favorites?






--- On Mon, 6/4/12, ljs0610@comcast.net <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:

From: ljs0610@comcast.net <ljs0610@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
To: "Don" <Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>
Cc: "B-R-I" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:14 PM

#yiv1816241203 body {height:100%;color:#000000;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;}I think you are hearkening back to a truly bygone era.? 95% of the population?? You must mean 95% of the population that still listens to OTA radio....which has rapidly diminished and continues to decline.? The population I know under the age of 25 almost NEVER listens to OTA radio stations.? It's satellite or Ipods.? End of story.? They have no patience for listening to what they don't care for and for commercials that don't speak to them.? I truly can be a fan of radio, just not a fan of bad radio which is all too prevalent and has led to the advent of satellite. I don't think anyone who watches television on slick flat screens in HD wants to go back to watching What's My Line? on black and white tube televisions.?And I prefer not to listen to a poorly produced radio product delivered on a weak, noisy signal. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan of radio...just not a
 fan of a poorly produced product on a less-than-optimum signal that doesn't align with my preferences.? To wit, I do listen to the SportsHub on a daily basis....because it DOES align with my interests and is delivered on a signal that is not distracting and annoying.? I just don't understand the?idea that one has to be some kind of "radio purist" listening to irrelevant stations, lamenting the old days and damning inventive, innovative?technology that has expanded the dimensions of the medium.??I am a fan of radio.....just good radio?(because how, really, can you be a fan of something?you don't like?)....I think that?would make me a discriminating consumer.?

----- Original Message -----
From: Don <Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>
To: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:27:17 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston



> Another reason (in addition to all those disturbed by the inexorable 
> disappearance of certain radio genres) why satellite radio, Sirius/XM, is 
> an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio. <<

Another reason why you A who considers themselves a fan of radio.

Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of the rest of the population is 
listening to.

Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the formats on Sirius/XM 
that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast 
formats available to anyone on AM/FM.

I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say that you never (ever!) 
listen to AM or FM broadcast....and don't even need to.



From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 00:43:25 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:43:25 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang it's head in shame
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<<On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:28:58 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 6/1/2012 2:08 AM, Don wrote:
>> The biggest blow the "public interest" happenned after the Telcom Act, 
>> which,  BTW...was passed under Bill Clinton(D) and our local 
>> Congressman Markey(D) (Although there is/was plenty of blame to go 
>> around in both parties.)

> And Newt Gingerich and a Republican Congress.

Or even Newt Gingrich and a Republican Congress.

Truth is, nobody in Washington knew or cared anything about
broadcasting regulation, so the industry lobbyists got essentially
what they wanted.  The same has often been true on the FCC;
administrations of all stripes have in recent years appointed
primarily telco lawyers and political hacks to the FCC rather than
people who actually knew something about broadcasting.  (This has been
the case since the FCC was established, although there were occasional
bright spots when someone who knew what an integral sign meant were
appointed.  Two of the most highly regarded commissioners of the WW2
period were T.A.M. Craven and E.K. Jett, both of whom had been chief
engineer of the FCC before their respective appointments.)

True story: one of the original Republican commissioners was Norman
S. Case, the former governor of Rhode Island, who had lost a
bitterly-contested race to T.F. Green.  When Green was later elected
to the Senate, he let it be known that he was opposed to Case's
reappointment, and Roosevelt instead appointed William H. Wills, the
former governor of Vermont (also a Republican, as were all New England
governors at this time).  Wills died a few years into his term while
presiding over a hearing in Brockton.

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 00:45:30 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:45:30 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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<<On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:44:14 -0700 (PDT), "D. A." <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high....

No it isn't.  Please check your facts before spreading the FUD.

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun  4 23:45:15 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:15 -0400
Subject: WBZ should hang its head in shame
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On 6/1/2012 3:21 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote:

> WODS is no longer "Oldies 103.3". Another poster said
> that the "older demo" would follow WODS to AM. WODS no
> longer programs to the "older demo" that is old enough
> to have grown up listening to music on AM radio. WODS
> moving to AM would kill it, and I doubt CBS would want
> to do that. It's still quite successful now as it is.

Oddly enough, when I stopped at a couple of rest plazas on the Turnpike 
yesterday, I noticed that two McDonald's seemed to be playing 1950s 
oldies.  I'm not sure why.  The kids who seem to drive McDonald's these 
days wouldn't even recognize the music, nor would their parents.  Is 
there some percentage in appealing to the grandparents?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 00:19:02 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:19:02 -0400
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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This is an issue of age more than anything.

When I was growing up in Cambridge in the late 50's my parents listened to
WHDH religiously and in fact the Red Sox delayed starting night games on
Wednesday nights until 8:30 PM so the Mission Church broadcast could air.
The Mission Church was a huge thing in post World War II Boston.

Around 7th grade my classmates turned me on to teen age radio which was
then WCOP and later WMEX.

What I am getting at is we had very few choices even with radio then
compared to today. Those of us who are older still consider radio an
option, I don't think that applies to the under 30 crowd now.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun  4 23:49:39 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:49:39 -0400
Subject: WBZ should not hang its head in shame (what an absurd idea)
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On 6/1/2012 6:57 PM, Martin Waters wrote:


>        But they're still working on it. Don't even get me started about the creeping cancer of leased time/infommercials that the programming and news folks in Boston have no control over. It started when Sunday night's "Looking at the Law" gave way to a paid quack medicine "program" years ago. Now there's even a paid, self-serving financial show for an hour that interrupts the news at 10 a.m. on Sundays. Funny, CBS doesn't do that to WCBS or KYW, et al.

Maybe this is because AM stations in Boston no longer attract the GM and 
Apple ads?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From ljs0610@comcast.net  Tue Jun  5 00:22:18 2012
From: ljs0610@comcast.net (ljs0610@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 04:22:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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Responses in italics below.

----- Original Message -----
From: D. A. <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: Don <Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>, ljs0610@comcast.net
Cc: B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:44:14 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston





















>>95% of the population?  You must mean 95% of the population that still listens to OTA radio..

No, Linda I mean the 95% of all Americans who listen to broadcast radio weekly.

Would certainly like to know the the source of this stat.

>>The population I know under the age of 25 almost NEVER listens to OTA radio stations. 

Well, apparently you don't know everyone under 25 Linda.....while it has definitely declined....there are still plenty of listeners there.
 
You misunderstand, and certainly not sure of the source of your numbers.  And, please note the population under the age of 25 I referred to is those that I know personally or have talked to about this very subject.  I would never profess to know the taste of ALL 25 year olds; however, I'd like to know the source of your "plenty of listeners there" reference.  Subjective generalization.

>>  It's satellite or Ipods  End of story.

Sorry, no, not end of story.  Penetration for satellite radio for under 25's is still vvvvery low. 

Satellite penetration is increasing and Ipod penetration is almost absolute. I personally don't know anyone under the age of 25 who doesn't have an Ipod and know very few OVER the age of 25 who doesn't have one....most music fans I know own Ipods..please understand the distinction between "most music fans"  and "most music fans I know".  

>>I truly can be a fan of radio, just not a fan of bad radio which is all too prevalent and has led to the advent of

satellite.

So, all local terrestrial broadcast radio is "bad radio"? 

Wow..I didn't say that at all...I said I won't listen to a bad product.  Did you not see my SportsHub reference?  Last time I checked, SportsHub was a terrestrial, local offering. 

>>I don't think anyone who watches television on slick flat screens in HD wants to go back to watching What's My Line? on black and white tube televisions.<<

The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high....many people drop it every day.  (until they offer you an ultra discount or free service when you try to cancel.  ;-)

Why would I cancel a subscription I truly enjoy?  Churn is also a component of the economy, which I think you will agree, is problematic. Well-run businesses generally have a plan to retain or regain customers.  Nothing new or isolated to satellite radio.

>> And I prefer not to listen to a poorly produced radio product delivered on a weak, noisy signal.

You live in Haverhill.  Can you cite the "weak noisy signals" that you are referring to?   Can you cite the "poorly produced radio product" that you are referring to?

WEEI and WEEI (before they switched to FM....don't listen to them anymore except for Celtics broadcasts (Sean Grande is masterful).

>>I just don't understand the idea that one has to be some kind of "radio 

purist" listening to irrelevant stations, lamenting the old days and 

damning inventive, innovative technology that has expanded the 

dimensions of the medium.<<

If anything YOU are the radio purists, who posted to tell the rest of us how you never turn on terrestrial broadcast radio.

I don't think I was the one claiming that you could not be a fan of radio unless you listened to a local AM or FM on a regular basis.  I haven't told anyone what to listen to but have freely expressed why I don't listen to what is rapidly becoming a technological fossil.  Don't need to subject myself to that.

Nobody asked anyone to be a radio purist.  Sat Radio has some advantages, so does regular broadcast radio.  No one is damning the technology.  There are many more platforms available now.  We all understand that.  The only one "damning" a platform was you dissing virtually all local broadcast radio.

Just dissing the inferior ones which can be a matter of personal preference.  Don't take it personally....

>.I am a fan of radio.....just good radio (because how, really, can you be

a fan of something you don't like?)....<<

You can certainly be a fan of radio you like.  But your over-the-top slam of broadcast radio (i.e...local radio = "bad radio") just makes you someone with limited scope.  

Talk about gross generalizations (over the top slam of broadcast radio....no, just expressing MY personal preference....not sure why that isn't understood.  Again, did you not understand that I think the SportsHub absolutely rocks?!).  Methinks you doth protest too much.  Sampling and settling on a satisfactory product does not mean I possess limited scope.  It makes me a discriminating consumer.  Seller beware.

Satellite Radio has it's benefits, of course, niche programming.  And for many people who are aging out of the formats available on the broadcast dial, Satellite Radio will help you find the niche of music that appeals to you.  

Satellite radio has niche programming, indeed....something for EVERYBODY.  Aging out of the available formats on broadcast radio?  No, escaping the mediocrity of broadcast radio.  I hardly think satellite radio appeals to demographic bemoaning the demise of formats that included Dick Summer, Norm Nathan, etc.

Maybe you can tell us what SiriusXM channels are your favorites?

Too numerous to list .. :)






--- On Mon, 6/4/12, ljs0610@comcast.net <ljs0610@comcast.net> wrote:






From: ljs0610@comcast.net <ljs0610@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
To: "Don"

<Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>
Cc: "B-R-I" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:14 PM











I think you are hearkening back to a truly bygone era.  95% of the population?  You must mean 95% of the population that still listens to OTA radio....which has rapidly diminished and continues to decline.  The population I know under the age of 25 almost NEVER listens to OTA radio stations.  It's satellite or Ipods.  End of story.  They have no patience for listening to what they don't care for and for commercials that don't speak to them.  I truly can be a fan of radio, just not a fan of bad radio which is all too prevalent and has led to the advent of satellite. I don't think anyone

who watches television on slick flat screens in HD wants to go back to watching What's My Line? on black and white tube televisions. And I prefer not to listen to a poorly produced radio product delivered on a weak, noisy signal. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan of radio...just not a fan of a poorly produced product on a less-than-optimum signal that doesn't align with my preferences.  To wit, I do listen to the SportsHub on a daily basis....because it DOES align with my interests and is delivered on a signal that is not distracting and annoying.  I just don't understand the idea that one has to be some kind of "radio purist" listening to irrelevant stations, lamenting the old days and damning inventive, innovative technology that has expanded the dimensions of the medium.  I am a fan of radio.....just good radio (because how, really, can you

be a fan of something you don't like?)....I think that would make me a discriminating consumer. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Don <Donald_Astelle@Yahoo.com>
To: ljs0610@comcast.net, B-R-I <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:27:17 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston



> Another reason (in addition to all those disturbed by the inexorable 
> disappearance of certain radio genres) why satellite radio, Sirius/XM, is 
> an absolute must for anyone who considers themselves a fan of radio. <<

Another reason why you A who considers themselves a fan of radio.

Localism.....and to be aware of what 95% of

the rest of the population is 
listening to.

Sirius/XM ratings (as a whole) are miniscule...and the formats on Sirius/XM 
that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that duplicate the broadcast 
formats available to anyone on AM/FM.

I don't know how you can be a "fan of radio" and say that you never (ever!) 
listen to AM or FM broadcast....and don't even need to.



From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun  4 23:56:18 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:56:18 -0400
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
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On 6/4/2012 7:40 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote:

>>> "WEEI has regained most of the audience it has lost to WBZ-FM."
> "What planet are you on?"
>
> One where we pay more attention to facts than opinions.

Does anyone actually have access to the ratings books?

-- 
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From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 00:57:09 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:57:09 -0400
Subject: WBZ should not hang its head in shame (what an absurd idea)
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<<On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:49:39 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> Maybe this is because AM stations in Boston no longer attract the GM and 
> Apple ads?

I'm not sure I ever remember hearing Apple advertising on radio.

It is certainly true that many national advertisers have dropped radio
entirely from their media buys.  Indeed, there are whole categories
now that rarely buy radio, like home appliances and consumer staples;
corporate "image" advertising is now exclusively in television and
print.

-GAWollman

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun  5 00:05:36 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:05:36 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
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On 6/4/2012 1:58 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

>   >Whoa. I can understand Globe scribes, who know nothing about radio,>talking about the "intellectual property" of WFNX, but radio people should>know better.>Other than logos, trade marks or service marks, WFNX has no intellectual>property. And what they got, nobody needs to do exactly what they did in>the way they did it.>The call letters? They aren't a service mark. They get changed, they're>up for grabs. q.v. WCOZ, WROR, WMEX

I wouldn't be surprised if someone could (and perhaps has) register call 
letters as a service mark for some purpose.  I'm not sure how that would 
affect the call letter assignments, but I suspect it could be done.

I remember when I was in sixth grade in Guilderland, New York, just 
outside Albany, for awhile I was one of the student help in the lunch 
kitchen, and I saw these large cans of apple sauce with the brand name 
"WGY."  The label on the cans even had a stylized drawing of a radio 
station labelled "WGY.:  I have no idea why applesauce was being sold 
under the WGY moniker, but it was.  This was around 1956-57.

-- 
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617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 01:06:19 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 01:06:19 -0400
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
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<<On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:56:18 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> Does anyone actually have access to the ratings books?

I would bet that Sid does, since his job probably involves making sure
that his stations' sales and management can access them via their
private network.  (This stuff must all be hosted applications now,
right?  No need to actually print physical books in this day and
age....)  There are a few other industry pros on this list who
regularly work with ratings information.

But when those of you who have them reference the ratings, do check to
see what the margin of sampling error is.  The difference between
first and tenth place in your chosen demo may not actually be
statistically significant.  (I think we discussed before the sample
sizes for a market like Boston being on the order of a thousand, which
would make the margin of sampling error around 4% -- it will be larger
than that in every subsample.)

-GAWollman

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 00:11:52 2012
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 21:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SatRad vs. Broadcast vs. DIY
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Again, from Haverhill....what station is "too weak, noisy and fades out around the next corner" for you?

Is there a station that you would like to listen to, but can't because of the signal issue that you keep claiming?

> I can't remember the last time I
> relied on or even listened to a local weather report on
> radio or television.  My smart phone gives me constant,
> up-to-date weather information and alerts on a real-time
> basis.  I don't know anyone....

You are making assumptions that..

a.)  Everyone is like you.

b.)  Everyone you "know" is a good sample.  

> ...and most stations don't program
> weather into their formats unless there is something
> impactful impending.  

Is this true?  I seem to hear forecasts. 

> If so, most people are going
> straight to the weather channel....

Again, with the generalizations?

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jun  5 00:10:58 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:10:58 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>
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On 6/4/2012 10:32 PM, Alan Tolz wrote:

> Now, should radio be obligated to offer equal time as the Commission
> used to mandate? I would say within 30 days of an election, yes. Should
> the Fairness Doctrine be put back into place? I don't think so. There
> are far more outlets in the internet age and frankly, the power of talk
> radio to sway an election has diminished in large part due to the
> overall fragmentation of the audience and the ham-handed way that
> partisan talk has taken over what's left of the talk radio landscape.

Alan's last line here puts me in mind of a certain well-known station in 
a medium-small midwestern market with which I've become quite familiar.

Back in the day (and "the day" in this case was as recent as 15 years or 
so ago), the station in question was "everybody's best friend." It was 
the place everyone in town (and everyone within a hundred miles or so, 
for that matter) would go to find out what was happening, from farm 
prices to news headlines to the hits of the day. Think of it as the WBZ 
of this market (and if you've guessed the station in question, you know 
that's a very, very precise analogy indeed.)

Then things changed - the market fragmented, the era of full-service 
radio went into decline, music left the AM dial behind, and the station 
that once spoke to everyone decided, under new ownership, that the right 
direction for survival was to become a talk station of the kind we see 
everywhere: big-name syndicated hosts (all marching to the same 
ideological drum) sandwiched between a local morning show and a local 
afternoon show.

The afternoon show, in particular, became very tied not only to one 
political party but to one particularly polarized wing of that 
party...which became a niche too far, apparently, when it became 
increasingly difficult to sell ad time during that show. The host was 
replaced with an out-of-towner who's still very political - but 
apparently not quite enough to satisfy that very polarized arm of his 
party, which is in turn filling the letters-to-the-editor columns and 
local blogs with all sorts of internecine squabbling that's no doubt 
deadly serious to those engaged in the fight, but utterly off-putting to 
anyone else (especially, one presumes, to advertisers who have little 
stomach for associating themselves with one side or the other and would 
just as soon put their dollars in less controversial fare.)

And in the meantime, the station everyone listened to somehow became the 
station that a big chunk of the market wouldn't ever tune to anymore.

Competition? Not hardly...because the group that bought this station 
also ended up owning most of the rest of the dial, including the other 
viable AM signal and four big FMs.

I don't know what the end of this story looks like. I'm sure the station 
in question did better with political talk in the short term than it 
would have done with just about any other format that would have been 
cost-effective on a big AM signal in its smallish market. But in the 
long term, if there even is a long term, has it been good for radio as a 
whole? I don't know the answer to that question.

(One more thought before I sign off for the night: to the extent I've 
been reading up on the Wisconsin complaint with which Dr. Donna started 
this thread, my understanding is that it's more than just an equal-time 
complaint. The question raised in the complaint is a bigger one: by 
hitching themselves so relentlessly and so exclusively to one side in a 
political campaign, have those hosts and stations gone beyond covering a 
race and become an active part of the campaign? Even in the 
anything-goes wake of Citizens United, there are still some significant 
questions being raised there that go beyond the FCC and perhaps into the 
jurisdiction of the FEC. I don't think those questions are as easily 
dismissed with the "it's just entertainment" argument as some might 
think - especially because the FCC's own rules, even after the end of 
the Fairness Doctrine, still put a particularly high barrier between 
entertainment programming and on-air political activism.)

s


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 02:28:41 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:28:41 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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> Would certainly like to know the the source of this stat.

Arbitron?

> Satellite penetration is increasing and Ipod penetration is almost 
> absolute.

No one is saying iPods aren't popular.  What I said was Satelite penetration 
for under 25's is very low.

>>understand the distinction between "most music fans"  and "most music fans 
>>I know".

I know the distinction...that's why I pointed it out to you.

> So, all local terrestrial broadcast radio is "bad radio"?
>
> Wow..I didn't say that at all...I said I won't listen to a bad product.

No, what you said was:  "The pathetic product produced by the terrestrial 
stations"

> Just dissing the inferior ones which can be a matter of personal 
> preference.  Don't take it personally....

Not taking it personally at all.  Trying to get a straight answer as to 
which stations from your locale do you find inferior.

> Did you not see my SportsHub reference?  Last time I checked, SportsHub 
> was a terrestrial, local offering.

So there is only ONE station in your listening area that is not "bad radio"?

>>Churn is also a component of the economy, which I think you will agree, is 
>>problematic. Well-run businesses
>> generally have a plan to retain or regain customers.  Nothing new or 
>> isolated to satellite radio.

Yes, it is different:

http://siriusbuzz.com/digging-deeper-into-sirius-xms-subscriber-number-for-q4.php

> You live in Haverhill.  Can you cite the "weak noisy signals" that you are 
> referring to?   Can you cite the "poorly produced radio product" that you 
> are referring to?
>
> WEEI and WEEI (before they switched to FM....don't listen to them anymore 
> except for Celtics broadcasts (Sean Grande is masterful).

If you have trouble listening to this station day or night in 
Haverhill....then you need a new radio.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WEEI&service=AM&status=L&hours=D

>>.I am a fan of radio.....just good radio

There are two types of "fans" on this list and on the RI board.  One are 
people that truly love *radio*....not every station appelas to them, but 
have a respect for the formats that serve people other than themselves. 
People who respect stations and personel that don't appeal to them or their 
demographic.  These are people typically who have labored in the trenches.

The second type is the "anything I like is good....and anything I don't like 
= bad radio".  Which is understandable for the listeners and consumers of 
radio.  They think every station should be playing to their tastes.  They 
are fans of what they like...not radio, per se.

Both attitudes are understandable.  I wouldn't expect a listener to Kiss 108 
to have much use for WCRB.  Those of us who have worked in the trrenches can 
see the benefit of both stations.

>Aging out of the available formats on broadcast radio?  No...

I am going to guess Linda that you are outside the demographic of most 
Boston formats.

> Maybe you can tell us what SiriusXM channels are your favorites?
>
> Too numerous to list .. :)

Cop out.  Everyone has their favorites.


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 03:20:32 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:20:32 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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--Keith Olbermann was noted for having pretty much only left-leaning
guests on. Should he have been forced to put on conservatives too?
(Yes it was on a cable channel not broadcast...)

--In his book Muzzled, Juan Williams said that while right-wingers dominate on
Fox News, "you can hear all sides on Fox" (even if, for example, that means
O'Reilly vs.Mary Catherine Ham vs. Juan Williams) And while Fox News may lean
right there are entertainment shows on the regular Fox channel
(including cartoons
like The Simpsons and Family Guy) who might lean a bit left. (Though Seth
offered a guest shot to Limbaugh on Family Guy.) I guess one network
leaning right (and doing quite well in prime time, thank you) helps to
balance all the other ones who
lean left. (At least until they get forced off the air by
complaints--a network offering a different viewpoint? We can't have
that!)

--I don't seem to see too many conservative viewpoints in the Boston Phoenix,
though the Globe and Herald do have columnists who lean a certain way
(including the "other" way, like the Globe's Jeff Jacoby or the
Herald's Margery Eagan and Peter Gelzinis) . It's debatable as to
whether or not their news coverage is biased. Mr. Mindich, should the
government tell you to offer equal time to the Right? It's only...
"fair"...

--Where are the conservative voices on (partially taxpayer funded)
NPR? The day I hear
"the Tea Party Program" on NPR (that is, advocating conservative
positions) is the day
they might be seen as balanced. (But maybe they're appealing to their donors'
political opinions, as they do with taste of music..which explains why NPR-type
stations might run some folk, jazz, and classical but not punk or
alternative rock.)

Freedom of THE PRESS.

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 03:31:08 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 03:31:08 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
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Sometimes a politician, etc. will be asked if they want to come on and
they turn it down (fearing they don't want to deal with the host).
Howie Carr urged Deval Patrick to come on and talk about the issues;
one time, he finally did (on April Fools' Day, oddly enough). Not
since, though the governor does have a regular gig on WTKK (as does
the attorney general I believe.)

Dan Rea disagreed with the Westboro Baptist Church folks but he had them on.

Laura Ingraham had someone on from "Lawyers Against the War". She
asked him a simple question: "Are we better off with Saddam out of
power?" He kept refusing to answer and
finally hung up. When Laura's producer called the man back, he swore
at her (the producer) over the phone. Well she tried.

Scott Brown frequently is on WRKO and WXKS, probably WBZ and WTKK too...
friendly territory. I'm sure they wouldn't mind having Kerry on too
but he probably
refuses. Heck, it could be entertaining--Howie poking fun at Kerry by
talking to him. I think Kerry was on _once_, years ago...

Howie does have some callers expressing liberal viewpoints from time
to time but he
often has some fun with them, especially Josh from Vermont (who also
is not one to respond to Howie's questions) and Steve from Montreal.

Howie has invited Liz Warren to come on his show, and when Jeff Kuhner
filled in they had
on Mass. Dem. U.S. Senate candidate Marisa DeFranco on (the day before she was
sent packing by the modern equivalent of a smoke filled room...)

From chris2526@comcast.net  Tue Jun  5 02:45:39 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:45:39 -0400
Subject: WCVB change
Message-ID: <098778C796B4488D96E087DCB4202790@chrisHP>

Out of curiosity does anyone know why WCVB channel 5 is suddenly changing  from ?The Boston channel.com? to ?WCVB.com? after all these years?

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 07:54:36 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:54:36 +0000
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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"The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high..."

Baloney.  Last figures I saw showed a churn rate of less than 2%.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 08:43:07 2012
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head in
	shame)
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>Joe Ross wrote:
Oddly enough, when I stopped at a couple of rest plazas on the Turnpike yesterday, I noticed that two McDonald's seemed to be playing 1950s oldies.? I'm not sure why.? The kids who seem to drive McDonald's these days wouldn't even recognize the music, nor would their parents.? Is there some percentage in appealing to the grandparents?
?
???? That is out of the mainstream for today's background music in public places. The trend I hear now is to '70's and '80's rock. Just last week, in Walgreen's, I heard "Nothing is Easy", Jethro Tull. I'm waiting for the Clash to show up next. 

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Tue Jun  5 09:21:25 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
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Laurence Glavin writes:
> The Boston Globe prints an insert inside the print edition of the paper called 
> the 'G' section (its predecessor was
> an insert on Thursdays only called "Calendar", but they wisely decided 
> not to call nowadays the 'C' section). As
> the weekend approaches, this 'G' section provides listings of performers 
> appearing at various venues, often
> with the sponsor. Some shows appear to be sponsored by WFNX, as well as WBOS and 
> WODS. Thus, I',
> assuming that in the future, there may still be WFNX-sponsored shows after the 
> frequency trades ownership.
> Maybe THAT will in some sense be considered "intellectual property".


Two explanations:

1. Those listings are compiled way ahead of time and I'm not sure when that part of G gets prepared for the press -- probably days ahead of time. And once the listings are edited they're rarely re-edited.?

2. Mindich said WFNX would continue its sponsorships and backings of events, such as Best Music Poll, until the sale's conclusion.?


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jun  5 09:51:17 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:51:17 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
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In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
supermarkets) known as IGA stores. I believe the IGA markets were
individually owned but participated in group buying as a means of
competing against the big supermarket chains of the day (A&P and First
National are the names that come to mind). I believe that IGA stood
for International Grocers Association. Since the IGA name contained
the word international, I suspect that IGA stores were found in Canada
as well as in the US.

I suspect that the WGY brand was started as a means of competing
against IGA. Both names contain three letters, of which the middle
letter is G. Like the IGA stores, the WGY stores were probably
independently owned and banded together in some sort of co-op to
increase their purchasing power. Although you have disputed this
claim, there WERE WGY markets and apparently the markets collectively
did enough business to get independent canning companies and suppliers
of packaged goods, such as dry cereals and macaroni, to private label
products under the WGY name. Until I figured this out. I could never
understand why country stores in upstate New York carried the name of
a radio station that was then owned by the mighty General Electric Co.
OTOH, I think every WGY store I ever saw was in the large geographic
area covered by WGY's 50 kW clear channel nighttime signal.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?


>
> I remember when I was in sixth grade in Guilderland, New York, just
> outside Albany, for awhile I was one of the student help in the
> lunch kitchen, and I saw these large cans of apple sauce with the
> brand name "WGY."  The label on the cans even had a stylized drawing
> of a radio station labelled "WGY.:  I have no idea why applesauce
> was being sold under the WGY moniker, but it was.  This was around
> 1956-57.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Tue Jun  5 10:30:00 2012
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:30:00 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
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Its funny that you mentioned Z100 and KIIS. I started listening to both of them two weeks ago. Absurdly short playlists. Very long stop sets. Z100 has flaky or nonexistent meta data.

I could depend on hearing Alicia Keys/JayZ and Pitbull or Call Me Maybe once per hour.
-- 
Brian T. Vita, President 
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.

ljs0610@comcast.net wrote:

Sirius/XM carries some superior, really well-programmed (though I suppose a matter of taste...don't think many on this distro would care for them) OTAs such as Z100 out of NYC and Kiis out of LA...I certainly wouldn't pay for something I could get for free, but truth is, you can't get this array of programming, music, news, sports (all), comedy, political commentary, talk...one stop shopping with a crystal clear signal, anywhere else. The pathetic product produced by the terrestrial stations (it's not just the commercials that drive the audience elsewhere) have insured satellite's success and lamenting what's past and no longer meaningful to current taste and technology will have little influence on the future. It is important to know where you've been to know where you're going; the trick is to not get stuck in a rut on the way.

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Sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:07:05 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston



> "the formats on Sirius/XM that get ANY ratings at all are the ones that
> duplicate the broadcast formats available to anyone on AM/FM."
>
> The only format on SiriusXM that gets any ratings at all, according to
> Eastlan (the only company that includes satellite > radio in its local
> ratings, in the few markets in which it operates), is Howard 100, Howard
> Stern's main channel.
> No other satrad channels get enough mentions to meet Eastlan's minimum
> reporting standards, and Arbitron stopped > rating satellite radio in
> 2008.

The last report I saw for Boston had Howard getting ratings, then the 60's,
70's 80's (Oldies/AC) channels....along with the SiriusXM Hits and 20 on 20
(CHR) channels.

> There is NO satellite channel that duplicates an OTA broadcast station.
> Some of them come close in programming
> content, but none of them carry commercials

Sorry, Sirius/XM still carries WLTW (and a few other OTA broadcasts) don't
they? Unless it has gone away recently.


From francini@mac.com  Tue Jun  5 10:31:28 2012
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:31:28 -0400
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head
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It may be deliberate "anti-music". I seem to recall that some municipalities have figured out that if they play music that's way out of "mainstream" at certain public places, it strongly discourages highly fashion- and trend-conscious people (read: teenagers) from hanging out in those areas. When I was in Easton, PA a few weeks back, I noted that a major city square that has several tourist attractions has outdoor speakers playing classical music continuously. Not a single 'undesirable' was hanging out there.

It wouldn't surprise me if the purpose of the 50s music is to subconsciously get people to move through the buying-eating-leaving process in short order, and discourage lingering over their food.

j


On 5 Jun 2012, at 8:43, Martin Waters wrote:

>> Joe Ross wrote:
> Oddly enough, when I stopped at a couple of rest plazas on the Turnpike yesterday, I noticed that two McDonald's seemed to be playing 1950s oldies.  I'm not sure why.  The kids who seem to drive McDonald's these days wouldn't even recognize the music, nor would their parents.  Is there some percentage in appealing to the grandparents?
>  
>      That is out of the mainstream for today's background music in public places. The trend I hear now is to '70's and '80's rock. Just last week, in Walgreen's, I heard "Nothing is Easy", Jethro Tull. I'm waiting for the Clash to show up next.



From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 11:06:26 2012
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:06:26 -0400
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head
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On 6/5/2012 8:43 AM, Martin Waters wrote:
>      That is out of the mainstream for today's background music in 
> public places. The trend I hear now is to '70's and '80's rock. Just 
> last week, in Walgreen's, I heard "Nothing is Easy", Jethro Tull. I'm 
> waiting for the Clash to show up next. 

Due to the nature of my job, McDs tends to be offices on the road so 
I've sampled much of the aural accompaniment (once in radio)....  A lot 
of the more rural communities lean towards a country channel that is not 
necessarily top 10 but closer to mainstream.

Others, in more suburban/metro tend to lean 90s-00s with mixes that try 
to line-up with their more recent architectural incarnations 
(Starbucks-leaning).

Others, I note, are 70s-80s former A/C staples back in their day; and as 
I write this (Fair Haven, VT McDs) I just heard a segue from Little 
River Band's Reminiscing to Bob Seger's Against the Wind. That worked 
well with (who woulda thought) blueberry banana oatmeal.

So, it would appear that there is a degree of discretion afforded some 
chains' local or regional decision makers within a range of format 
offerings on their respective subscriber packages.  What I've not hear 
is any OTA radio.

Time for a free refill.

Bill O'Neill

From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 11:12:32 2012
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:12:32 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
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On 6/5/2012 9:51 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
> northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
> there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
> supermarkets) known as IGA stores.

They're still around but not with their "IGA" oval logo out front (like 
the one of my youth in the Town-a-Dracut on Lakeview Ave growing up. It 
was across from the junior high school building. IIRC, snow caved in the 
ceiling and then it sold-out.

Today, it operates much like the Tru-Value and other hardware stores do 
as affiliations.

IGA is a sponsor of Red Sox Radio.  At least here in Vermont there seem 
to be rotating tags on a co-op spot on WDEV (550//96.1), one including 
Greg's Meat Market (6-8 aisle market) in Middlebury that I heard the 
other day. Caught me by surprise.

Bill O'Neill

From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 07:58:10 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:58:10 +0000
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
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"Does anyone actually have access to the ratings books?"

Yes, I do.  Unfortunately Arbitron prohibits the public posting of ratings results (as I understand it even the 6+ numbers are now off-limits to non-subscribers), but what I posted earlier is factual.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 08:04:52 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:04:52 +0000
Subject: "It's the programming, stupid!"
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"This stuff must all be hosted applications now, right?  No need to actually print physical books in this day and age..."

Arbitron still provides a "virtual" rating book for those who want it, but ratings data is now available in a variety of formats.

For the markets on PPM, there are two pieces of installed software (PPM Analysis Tool, which handles the monthly data, and Weeklies for the weekly data) and a web site (my.arbitron.com, for which you need a user name and password) which PPM subscribers can use (commonly called TapWeb, after the Tapscan program used for diary data).

For diary markets, the old standbys Maximi$er, Tapscan and Qualitap are still around.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 12:37:37 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:37:37 -0400
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head
	in shame)
In-Reply-To: <4FCE2072.5050107@gmail.com>
References: <14660385.1338578503926.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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<<On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:06:26 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com> said:

> So, it would appear that there is a degree of discretion afforded some 
> chains' local or regional decision makers within a range of format 
> offerings on their respective subscriber packages.  What I've not hear 
> is any OTA radio.

I was in the new(ish) Whole Foods in Wellesley a few weeks ago and
they were running SiriusXM 80s on 8.  I've never heard SXM in a Whole
Foods before; the ones in Framingham and Cambridge that I'm in
semi-regularly use an unbranded music service.

I'm told that it's up to the store manager what to play, within the
selection the satellite service offers.

-GAWollman


From paul46693@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 11:22:37 2012
From: paul46693@yahoo.com (Paul McD)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 08:22:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WFNX - Did anyone record the last Leftover Lunch (on May 18th)? (Thx
	Garrett) 
Message-ID: <1338909757.6072.YahooMailNeo@web162604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Did anyone record Julie Kramer's last Leftover Lunch on WFNX on May 18th? ?I'd like to have a copy. ?If you have one, please contact me off list. ?Thanks in advance, ?Paul McDonough ?paul46693 at yahoo dot com (longtime lurker of Boston Radio Interest Group)

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 12:55:20 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:55:20 -0400
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head in
	shame)
In-Reply-To: <20430.13777.804494.218038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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	<20430.13777.804494.218038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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Have been in restaurants, gas stations that play XM/S channels. A BBQ
place in Conn. had a Sirius country station on. Place in Beverly runs
some classic rock...some Hess gas stations run "The Bridge" for you to
listen as you fill up.

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 12:56:25 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:56:25 -0400
Subject: WCVB change
In-Reply-To: <098778C796B4488D96E087DCB4202790@chrisHP>
References: <098778C796B4488D96E087DCB4202790@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>

Quicker to type in, easier to remember?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Chris Hall <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
> Out of curiosity does anyone know why WCVB channel 5 is suddenly changing ?from ?The Boston channel.com? to ?WCVB.com? after all these years?


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 13:05:06 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:05:06 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035>



> "The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high..."
>
> Baloney.

http://siriusbuzz.com/digging-deeper-into-sirius-xms-subscriber-number-for-q4.php





From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 13:07:09 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:07:09 +0000
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035>
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> "The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high..."
>
> Baloney.

"http://siriusbuzz.com/digging-deeper-into-sirius-xms-subscriber-number-for-q4.php"

As I said:  less than 2%.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 13:10:41 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:10:41 +0000
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head
	in shame)
In-Reply-To: <20430.13777.804494.218038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <14660385.1338578503926.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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"I was in the new(ish) Whole Foods in Wellesley a few weeks ago and they were running SiriusXM 80s on 8.  I've never heard SXM in a Whole Foods before; the ones in Framingham and Cambridge that I'm in semi-regularly use an unbranded music service.

"I'm told that it's up to the store manager what to play, within the selection the satellite service offers."

SiriusXM has a "storecasting" service for commercial businesses, which is (AIUI) just their regular service with a different rate structure.  I believe the Zaftig's deli in Natick runs it also.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Jun  5 12:10:34 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:10:34 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com> <4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com>
	<6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <09B83CAC-377D-4F5F-BBC6-3105D03BAB00@mac.com>


On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
> northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
> there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
> supermarkets) known as IGA stores. I believe the IGA markets were
> individually owned but participated in group buying as a means of
> competing against the big supermarket chains of the day (A&P and First
> National are the names that come to mind). I believe that IGA stood
> for International Grocers Association. Since the IGA name contained
> the word international, I suspect that IGA stores were found in Canada
> as well as in the US.
> 

I know there was (and maybe still is) an IGA store in Ingonish Beach, Nova Scotia.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Tue Jun  5 13:11:28 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:11:28 -0400
Subject: WCVB change
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <098778C796B4488D96E087DCB4202790@chrisHP>
	<CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMQUtR9muu5dBDOGwGe7bTiqkTnRHaFmt6ndRy6yfCmz4sR2oQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found this:

*WCVB has launched a substantially revised website.  The new
site<http://www.wcvb.com/>,
which is a part of a roll-out on all Hearst stations, eschews the venerable
naughties-throwback TheBostonChannel.com for a simpler wcvb.com domain.*

*In an effort to retain name recognition, the website features a less
prominent ?The Boston Channel? name, though the effort to standardize
branding appears to be in full force.*


>From here:  http://blog.btvn.net/category/boston/wcvb/

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quicker to type in, easier to remember?
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Chris Hall <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Out of curiosity does anyone know why WCVB channel 5 is suddenly
> changing  from ?The Boston channel.com? to ?WCVB.com? after all these
> years?
>
>

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 13:15:52 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:15:52 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035>
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Message-ID: <E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035>



>> "The churn factor for SiriusXM is still very high..."
>>
>> Baloney.
>
> "http://siriusbuzz.com/digging-deeper-into-sirius-xms-subscriber-number-for-q4.php"
>
> As I said:  less than 2%.

Like I said....higher than they'd like it to be (in spit of all their 
efforts).



From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 13:23:59 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:23:59 +0000
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035>
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035>
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"higher than they'd like it to be (in spit of all their efforts)."

As the kids today would say:  "Duh!"  Of course they'd like a zero churn rate.  Wouldn't every subscription service?

However, it appears from looking at older articles over the 10+-year life of satellite radio that XM's churn rates, while fluctuating some, haven't really been substantially different than they are now.  At one point, Sirius' churn rate was up around 3%, but it too dropped down prior to the merger.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 13:45:44 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:45:44 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9245B0@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035>
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> "higher than they'd like it to be (in spit of all their efforts)."
>
> As the kids today would say:  "Duh!"  Of course they'd like a zero churn 
> rate.

Who said a zero churn rate?

They would just like it lower....and who can trust any of their numbers? 


From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 13:59:17 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:59:17 +0000
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <73595E7848C14224991D16B191917585@s20035>
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9245B0@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035>
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Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C92499A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>

"who can trust any of their numbers?"

Being a publicly traded company, their numbers are subject to Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, part of which is outside/government audit, with severe penalties for incorrect reporting.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 14:05:39 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:05:39 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9245B0@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9246A1@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><73595E7848C14224991D16B191917585@s20035>
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Message-ID: <6FB14101F5044DC8AC8C899A2C26A517@s20035>

> "who can trust any of their numbers?"
>
> Being a publicly traded company, their numbers are subject to 
> Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, part of which is >>outside/government audit, 
> with severe penalties for incorrect reporting.

Well, that's enough for me!  I now trust them implicitly! 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jun  5 14:43:52 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:43:52 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <6FB14101F5044DC8AC8C899A2C26A517@s20035>
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	<6FB14101F5044DC8AC8C899A2C26A517@s20035>
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<<On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:05:39 -0400, "Don" <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> said:

> Well, that's enough for me!  I now trust them implicitly! 

Can we cut with the nastiness, please?

That goes for everyone on the list.

-GAWollman

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jun  5 14:08:58 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:08:58 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>	<1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
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Message-ID: <4FCE4B3A.3020808@donnahalper.com>

On 6/5/2012 3:20 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:
> --Keith Olbermann was noted for having pretty much only left-leaning
> guests on. Should he have been forced to put on conservatives too?
> (Yes it was on a cable channel not broadcast...)
>    
Not sure that's what I was asking.  Keith, like the folks on Fox's 
Morning show, was overtly political.   The morning hosts on Fox are so 
political they aired an anti-Obama attack video that their own producers 
designed.  But these shows never claimed to be "all news."  They are 
opinion and should be left alone.  However, contrast them with Andrea 
Mitchell on MSNBC or Brett Baier on Fox, who do in fact have all 
viewpoints and treat guests courteously.  So, yes it can be done and 
done in an interesting way.  My query is whether news-talk radio 
stations should only favor one side-- in Milwaukee, they are in fact all 
conservative.  I have no problem with conservative talkers who do 
political talk.  My concern is with stations that claim to be at least 
partly news.

From map@mapinternet.com  Tue Jun  5 12:33:07 2012
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:33:07 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to IGA or WGY in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <4FCE21E0.7060202@gmail.com>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com>
	<4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com><6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
	<4FCE21E0.7060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DECAB0A3833405FB3E93521E2707D54@CASEYPC>

IGA (Independent Grocer's Alliance) is still around and going strong with 
over 5000 stores. They are mostly smaller community locally owned 
Supermarkets. There's a modern IGA supermarket the next town over from me in 
Monson, MA. It is Adams IGA and nearly was destroyed by the tornado on June 
1, 2011, but was open again shortly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?


On 6/5/2012 9:51 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
> northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
> there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
> supermarkets) known as IGA stores.

They're still around but not with their "IGA" oval logo out front (like
the one of my youth in the Town-a-Dracut on Lakeview Ave growing up. It
was across from the junior high school building. IIRC, snow caved in the
ceiling and then it sold-out.

Today, it operates much like the Tru-Value and other hardware stores do
as affiliations.

IGA is a sponsor of Red Sox Radio.  At least here in Vermont there seem
to be rotating tags on a co-op spot on WDEV (550//96.1), one including
Greg's Meat Market (6-8 aisle market) in Middlebury that I heard the
other day. Caught me by surprise.

Bill O'Neill



From irw@well.com  Tue Jun  5 15:18:08 2012
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WCVB change
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1382850600.2923.1338923888265.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

Bob Nelson said: 

> Quicker to type in, easier to remember?

That made me think:

When we go through the daily ritual of checking certain websites (whether they be e-mail or news or something else), I wonder how many of us just type in URLs (versus clicking "favorites" or "bookmarks") versus using a plugin or software, which automatically opens "these five websites I check daily."

Just another thought...

- Blaine


From irw@well.com  Tue Jun  5 15:40:14 2012
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its head
	in shame)
In-Reply-To: <20430.13777.804494.218038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1991288882.3013.1338925214729.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

> I was in the new(ish) Whole Foods in Wellesley a few weeks ago and they were running SiriusXM 80s on 8.

The Five Guys burgers near me runs SiriusXM 60s on 6.  I don't know if other Five Guys' run that same service.

- Blaine


From paul@derrynh.net  Tue Jun  5 14:37:04 2012
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com> <4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com>
	<6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <305860219.213526.1338921424378.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com>

The I in IGA is for Independent. The IGA stores in New England are generally
supplied by AGNE (Associated Grocers of NE).

Remember in the late 60s early 70s when First National Stores (kind of)
rebranded as FINAST attempting to breathe life in what I believe even then was a
dying chain.

Let's see....South Shore Grocery Stores..
Fernandes (I think Randolph MA was their northern-most store...bought out (that
locale) by Sudbury Farms..
Capital (Which actually took over the FINAST store in Randolph)
BPM (Brockton Public Markets) which I believe was owned by the brother of the
Shaws owner previous to selling to the Brits.

Just a trip down Grocery Store memory lane....

-Paul Hopfgarten
Epping NH (then Randolph MA)


On June 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:

> In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
> northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
> there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
> supermarkets) known as IGA stores. I believe the IGA markets were
> individually owned but participated in group buying as a means of
> competing against the big supermarket chains of the day (A&P and First
> National are the names that come to mind). I believe that IGA stood
> for International Grocers Association. Since the IGA name contained
> the word international, I suspect that IGA stores were found in Canada
> as well as in the US.
>
> I suspect that the WGY brand was started as a means of competing
> against IGA. Both names contain three letters, of which the middle
> letter is G. Like the IGA stores, the WGY stores were probably
> independently owned and banded together in some sort of co-op to
> increase their purchasing power. Although you have disputed this
> claim, there WERE WGY markets and apparently the markets collectively
> did enough business to get independent canning companies and suppliers
> of packaged goods, such as dry cereals and macaroni, to private label
> products under the WGY name. Until I figured this out. I could never
> understand why country stores in upstate New York carried the name of
> a radio station that was then owned by the mighty General Electric Co.
> OTOH, I think every WGY store I ever saw was in the large geographic
> area covered by WGY's 50 kW clear channel nighttime signal.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
>
>
> >
> > I remember when I was in sixth grade in Guilderland, New York, just
> > outside Albany, for awhile I was one of the student help in the
> > lunch kitchen, and I saw these large cans of apple sauce with the
> > brand name "WGY."  The label on the cans even had a stylized drawing
> > of a radio station labelled "WGY.:  I have no idea why applesauce
> > was being sold under the WGY moniker, but it was.  This was around
> > 1956-57.
> >
> > --
> > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
> >
>

From marklaurence@mac.com  Tue Jun  5 14:49:18 2012
From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:49:18 -0400
Subject: National Hockey League says Stanley Cup Final on radio in Boston
In-Reply-To: <6FB14101F5044DC8AC8C899A2C26A517@s20035>
References: <1642298504.830849.1338866060595.JavaMail.root@sz0146a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<1338867854.54167.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C923AF2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
	<09F4CA698C334665936AD3736B08B13B@s20035>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9245B0@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
	<E11154BFEBD14AF1A2B2243DECFBDF1F@s20035>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9246A1@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
	<73595E7848C14224991D16B191917585@s20035>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C92499A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
	<6FB14101F5044DC8AC8C899A2C26A517@s20035>
Message-ID: <CAGAz1c+McRdwvWTu47uMVPPO-Vn1ssE9V3-PVPmS7JdfkJiqjA@mail.gmail.com>

As for SiriusXM churn, I can vouch that they are extremely generous with
their "come back to XM" offers.  Usually all you have to do is threaten to
cancel and they'll sign you up for $25 for 6 months.  Repeat as necessary.
I'm sure this is a significant cause for their low cancellation rate.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jun  5 15:43:04 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:43:04 -0400
Subject: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its headin
	shame)
References: <14660385.1338578503926.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4FCD80CB.4090501@attorneyross.com><1338900187.93261.YahooMailNeo@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4FCE2072.5050107@gmail.com><20430.13777.804494.218038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C9245CE@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <4D95BBC332BC4BBCBB9991F799C919A4@SatU205S5044>

You mean you can go into Zaftig's Natick and sip your Dr Brown's
Cel-Ray to the tune of background music whose branding the store
manager can select? Wow! Nirvana! Tevya couldn't have had any idea
what the world would come to. Of course, had he been a rich man...

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com>
To: "boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org"
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: 21st century elevator music (Was Re: WBZ should hang its
headin shame)
>
> SiriusXM has a "storecasting" service for commercial businesses,
> which is (AIUI) just their regular service with a different rate
> structure.  I believe the Zaftig's deli in Natick runs it also.
>
> Sid Schweiger
> IT Manager, Entercom New England
> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor
> Brighton MA  02135-2040
>


From sid@wrko.com  Tue Jun  5 13:17:20 2012
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:17:20 +0000
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <09B83CAC-377D-4F5F-BBC6-3105D03BAB00@mac.com>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com> <4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com>
	<6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
	<09B83CAC-377D-4F5F-BBC6-3105D03BAB00@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C924648@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>

"I believe that IGA stood for International Grocers Association. Since the IGA name contained the word international, I suspect that IGA stores were found in Canada as well as in the US."

Independent Grocers Alliance, and they operate in more than 30 countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGA_(supermarkets)

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun  5 16:33:40 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:33:40 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8M=BfaE63b82GBpiV=mLMqn61XVsZxTHG0XhKKoZVSr7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>
	<CAJht-8M=BfaE63b82GBpiV=mLMqn61XVsZxTHG0XhKKoZVSr7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FCE6D24.9090700@attorneyross.com>

On 6/5/2012 3:31 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> Howie has invited Liz Warren to come on his show, and when Jeff Kuhner
> filled in they had
> on Mass. Dem. U.S. Senate candidate Marisa DeFranco on (the day before she was
> sent packing by the modern equivalent of a smoke filled room...)

I wouldn't equate an open vote by delegates with a smoke-filled room.  
The 15% rule has been in effect since the early 1980s, and no other 
candidate has failed to make the cut.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jun  5 17:41:00 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:41:00 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>	<1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
	<CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FCE7CEC.8020103@donnahalper.com>

Just got a tweet that Steve Leveille is leaving WBZ.  Any details, guys?

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jun  5 17:43:00 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:43:00 -0400
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving:  was equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>	<1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
	<CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FCE7D64.7050100@donnahalper.com>

Should have changed the subject line.  The tweet I saw came from 
Universal Hub, and just said Leveille was leaving WBZ.  If it's true, 
who's in line to get his show?

From irw@well.com  Tue Jun  5 17:49:53 2012
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ Talk Show Host Steve LeVeille Announces Retirement
Message-ID: <677919229.3821.1338932993240.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/longtime-wbz-talk-show-host-steve-leveille-announces-retirement/

He's out at the end of the week.  He took the overnight seat in 1999.

- Blaine


From brscomm@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 17:27:00 2012
From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:27:00 -0500
Subject: WCVB change
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <098778C796B4488D96E087DCB4202790@chrisHP>
	<CAJht-8PX16U9yoBJBRDp2j+9z-WrcUbXap5guPBa6fotONQocw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010e01cd4361$f154fd20$d3fef760$@yahoo.com>

www.wcvb.com has worked for years. Much easier to type in the
www.thebostonchannel.com

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bob Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:56 AM
To: Chris Hall
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: WCVB change

Quicker to type in, easier to remember?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Chris Hall <chris2526@comcast.net> wrote:
> Out of curiosity does anyone know why WCVB channel 5 is suddenly changing
?from ?The Boston channel.com? to ?WCVB.com? after all these years?



From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 18:41:56 2012
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:41:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <305860219.213526.1338921424378.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com> <4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com>
	<6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
	<305860219.213526.1338921424378.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com>
Message-ID: <1338936116.64203.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

There were Fernades stores in Medway and Ashland at one time. Purity Supreme and their warehouse store Heartland was another chain.

My grandparents shopped at the Capital at Dedham Plaza. They loved the fact that they could drive the car up and have it loaded. My mother shopped at the FINAST in (IIRC) West Roxbury.

And, to tie this to radio, I remember listening to WBZ-FM on 106.7 in the A&P in East Dedham circa 1974-1975.

From paulranderson@charter.net  Tue Jun  5 19:02:33 2012
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:02:33 -0400
Subject: equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <4FCE7CEC.8020103@donnahalper.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>	<1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
	<CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FCE7CEC.8020103@donnahalper.com>
Message-ID: <BDD3F730-E9F2-4AE1-B73A-9A64131D8A43@charter.net>

On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Donna Halper wrote:

> Just got a tweet that Steve Leveille is leaving WBZ.  Any details, guys?

I heard Steve on WBZ this afternoon driving home.  He said he and his wife looked at each other recently, and decided that they could, both at age 57, retire.

Paul

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun  5 23:30:47 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:30:47 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
References: <20120604175808.24930@gmx.com> <4FCD8590.7000707@attorneyross.com>
	<6E0DDFEA00EB4659B0FC1E7C45F45077@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4FCECEE7.2000504@attorneyross.com>

On 6/5/2012 9:51 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> In those days, in small--mostly rural--communities (at least in the
> northeast, but probably in the other parts of the country as well),
> there was a group of grocery stores (I would call them "markets," not
> supermarkets) known as IGA stores. I believe the IGA markets were
> individually owned but participated in group buying as a means of
> competing against the big supermarket chains of the day (A&P and First
> National are the names that come to mind). I believe that IGA stood
> for International Grocers Association. Since the IGA name contained
> the word international, I suspect that IGA stores were found in Canada
> as well as in the US.

I remember an IGA store in Bedford that replaced the First National 
Store in the Great Road Shopping Center.

> I suspect that the WGY brand was started as a means of competing
> against IGA. Both names contain three letters, of which the middle
> letter is G. Like the IGA stores, the WGY stores were probably
> independently owned and banded together in some sort of co-op to
> increase their purchasing power. Although you have disputed this
> claim, there WERE WGY markets and apparently the markets collectively
> did enough business to get independent canning companies and suppliers
> of packaged goods, such as dry cereals and macaroni, to private label
> products under the WGY name. Until I figured this out. I could never
> understand why country stores in upstate New York carried the name of
> a radio station that was then owned by the mighty General Electric Co.
> OTOH, I think every WGY store I ever saw was in the large geographic
> area covered by WGY's 50 kW clear channel nighttime signal.

There had to be some connection with WGY, since it had a stylized 
drawing of a radio station with tower and radiating waves, labeled WGY.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 03:04:30 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 03:04:30 -0400
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving: was equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <4FCE7D64.7050100@donnahalper.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>
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	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
	<CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Bradley Jay? Maybe they'll bring back Overnight America--which for now
is on WTKK but maybe they can get it back and who knows what WTKK
would run. Morgan White or Jordan Rich probably out of the question.

...Brother Stair...?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> Should have changed the subject line. ?The tweet I saw came from Universal
> Hub, and just said Leveille was leaving WBZ. ?If it's true, who's in line to
> get his show?


From hmglaz@att.net  Wed Jun  6 05:38:09 2012
From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 02:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
Message-ID: <1338975489.36843.YahooMailClassic@web180308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Paul <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
Fernandes (I think Randolph MA was their northern-most store...bought out (that locale) by Sudbury Farms..
?
===
?
If childhood memory serves me well, the now-vacant store on Revere Beach Pkwy. in Revere, across from Suffolk Downs' barn area, was once a Fernandes. It was most recently a Shaw's.

Howard




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Jun  6 11:27:42 2012
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:27:42 -0400
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving:  was equal time controversy
Message-ID: <20120606152742.227090@gmx.com>

I would think they'd do some kind of locally based talk like Bradley Jay or maybe syndie but what is out there? Overnight America, done by CBS I believe, is one possibility--I think WTKK picked it up
 (WTKK had Hendrie, then went back to John and Jeff but J&J ended their show shortly afterward)
 but maybe they can take it over and TKK would do Hendrie again, etc. Maybe Jim Bohannon?

 Red Eye is on WRKO, WXKS AM has Coast to Coast...
 Brokered time? A simulcast of the audio from NECN or CNN Headline News? (Oh yes...WBZ radio
 with Nancy Grace reruns)...

 Maybe they'd have a local host for a few hours then pick up a syndie show like Bohannon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donna Halper
Sent: 06/05/12 05:43 PM
To: Bob Nelson
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving: was equal time controversy

 Should have changed the subject line. The tweet I saw came from Universal Hub, and just said Leveille was leaving WBZ. If it's true, who's in line to get his show?

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 17:06:33 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:06:33 -0400
Subject: McPhee to WRKO, 4 hour show
Message-ID: <CAJht-8PHDXBHtwRKSicu4qnoqhB7yVkSS2KYM9dyYXok+Gvh1g@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.wrko.com/michele-mcphee-returns-middays-june-11

WRKO has announced the return of Michele McPhee starting this Monday,
11 am to 3 pm. She displaces not only local
host Jen Brien but also national host Laura Ingraham.

In addition she will be the primary fill in for Howie Carr..and who
knows what may become of him this fall...?

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Jun  6 16:31:59 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:31:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Has anyone else noticed that 105.7 WROR...
Message-ID: <33291543.1339014719052.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

... has the stereo channels reversed between 
their regular analog broadcast and their HD 
digital broadcast for at least a month now?

When the HD radio switches from analog to 
digital reception (or back) on WROR, the 
stereo channels reverse cross back and forth. 
This doesn't happen on any other Boston area 
HD station. It sounds as if my headphones are 
being turned around on my head whenever the 
receiver switches from analog to HD (or back).

EP





From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Wed Jun  6 19:29:45 2012
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston? 
Message-ID: <56c1.36a966f5.3d0141e9@aol.com>

I believe you are thinking of Cerretanis that was built in 1968. Never  
noticed if it was an IGA affiliate. My old hood.
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 6/6/2012 12:01:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>If childhood memory serves me well, the now-vacant store on  Revere Beach 
Pkwy. in Revere, across from Suffolk Downs' barn area, was once a  
Fernandes. It was most recently a  Shaw's.<<



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jun  7 02:27:53 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:27:53 -0400
Subject: Globe: What happened to rock radio in Boston?
In-Reply-To: <1338975489.36843.YahooMailClassic@web180308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1338975489.36843.YahooMailClassic@web180308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FD049E9.1020600@attorneyross.com>

On 6/6/2012 5:38 AM, Howard Glazer wrote:

> Paul<paul@derrynh.net>  wrote:
> Fernandes (I think Randolph MA was their northern-most store...bought out (that locale) by Sudbury Farms..
>   
> ===
>   
> If childhood memory serves me well, the now-vacant store on Revere Beach Pkwy. in Revere, across from Suffolk Downs' barn area, was once a Fernandes. It was most recently a Shaw's.

Ah, Fernandes.  I remember that Joseph Fernandes, owner of the 
supermarket chain, was the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 
either 1964 or 1966.  There was an issue around his liquor licenses.  I 
think there was a law at the time that went something like "no person, 
directly or indirectly, or through a third person shall have more than 
three such licenses in the commonwealth."  IIRC he, his wife, and his 
company each had three licenses.  The controversy didn't die down any 
when Attorney General Edward Brooke, fellow Republican, ruled that this 
was OK.  Since the lesser Constitutional offices were being won 
automatically by Democrats in those days, it didn't really matter anyway.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From pbencurrier@hotmail.com  Thu Jun  7 10:42:55 2012
From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:42:55 -0400
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving: was equal time controversy
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8Opmxrhvxrpx65W3480LF4JHrjbkCP7H8A5Rtg1UJwrJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
	<4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com>
	<1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter>
	<4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com>
	<CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2940C80DF402B600BAFA51FBEF30@phx.gbl>

On both overnights, Steve Leveille has said many times that they are 
staying local.  They will use the subs - Bradley, Dean, and Morgan until 
they make a decision - much like the 5AM newscast hiring.

Paul C
Sandwich


On 6/6/2012 3:04 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:
> Bradley Jay? Maybe they'll bring back Overnight America--which for now
> is on WTKK but maybe they can get it back and who knows what WTKK
> would run. Morgan White or Jordan Rich probably out of the question.
>
> ...Brother Stair...?
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Donna Halper<dlh@donnahalper.com>  wrote:
>> Should have changed the subject line.  The tweet I saw came from Universal
>> Hub, and just said Leveille was leaving WBZ.  If it's true, who's in line to
>> get his show?
>
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Jun  7 12:16:48 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:16:48 -0400
Subject: Steve Leveille Leaving: was equal time controversy
References: <2080380667.3002.1338841183921.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com><4FCD54B7.7090004@donnahalper.com><1FF187C8FD1B43E0AA0C62DD35A772C1@mediacenter><4FCD86D2.6030308@fybush.com><CAJht-8OfpUdrJYNk2OfkyZvL+t8N0C=8fsrFGxhi+AmBBec9=Q@mail.gmail.com><4FCE7D64.7050100@donnahalper.com><CAJht-8Opmxrhvxrpx65W3480LF4JHrjbkCP7H8A5Rtg1UJwrJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP2940C80DF402B600BAFA51FBEF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <629D9EFCBEF84EEF989D8BE94C771859@SatU205S5044>

Is WTKK still carrying Overnight America? I believe that they began to
run it only a few months ago. Three years ago, when WBZ dropped
LeVeille to carry Overnight America, it was made clear that the
decision to drop the local program and replace it with a program
syndicated by CBS had been made by network execs who may never even
have heard WBZ at any point in their lifetimes. Supposedly, these
people are responsible for replacing a lot of WBZ's weekend
programming with paid advertorials. Somehow, WBZ's Peter Casey (is he
the Program Director?) was able to prevail upon these execs to reverse
their Overnight America decision. Why should we believe assurances
from WBZ's about-to-retire overnight host that local programming will
continue overnight?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Currier" <pbencurrier@hotmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Steve Leveille Leaving: was equal time controversy


> On both overnights, Steve Leveille has said many times that they are
> staying local.  They will use the subs - Bradley, Dean, and Morgan
> until they make a decision - much like the 5AM newscast hiring.
>
> Paul C
> Sandwich
>


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 09:37:50 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:37:50 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN etc
Message-ID: <CAJht-8Ni5L+WXgj2eYruqEv+TgXhNJcuSp9r2BnHQyPoqRKt2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Someone has noted changes in the lineup of progressive talk AM 1510
WWZN. According to the http://www.revolutionboston.com website, the
names of Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz,and Thom Hartmann are gone,
replaced by Warren Ballantine, Democracy Now!, and Al Sharpton. Not
sure what's up with that; one wonders if Clear Channel's plan for WFNX
may be a progressive talk
station (either that on 101.7 and 1200 stays the same, or maybe more
likely 1200 launches as libtalk while Rush and
company go to 101.7, but the 101.7 signal of course isn't as good as
one would expect).

We'll have to see, but hasn't this week or so been full of changes and
news regarding talk radio in  town? Lovell Dyett passed on,
Steve Leveille retired, Michele McPhee returns to WRKO displacing
Laura Ingraham and Jen Brien; Tom Finneran leaves
WRKO, and now this...?

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 14:25:53 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:25:53 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
Message-ID: <CAJht-8MbQdAh1n52eam4D51faxVC+B8og+zNRc01YzuA=zjGPQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From WWZN Rev Boston site; "new lineup starts today"
Bios of hosts/shows, no explanation of cancellations

http://www.revolutionboston.com/on-air

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Jun  8 14:43:07 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:43:07 -0400
Subject: Car Talk guys retiring
Message-ID: <79393BDD-D6B4-4E69-AB71-9D86908659CB@mac.com>

There is an AP article out that the Car Talk guys are retiring in September, but that repeats will continue:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RADIO_CAR_TALK?SITE=VTBRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I don?t see the reruns continuing forever, after all in a few years none of the cars being addressed will be other than ready for the junkyard, and the regulars will have all the jokes memorized.  And the effects of affiliate station?s fundraising remain to be seen.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From chris2526@comcast.net  Fri Jun  8 23:24:26 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:24:26 -0400
Subject: Great AM audio during its heyday
Message-ID: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>

For younger readers or those whose memories have faded, if you want to experience what a well engineered AM radio station sounded 
like during the fifties through the mid seventies watch an episode of ?Diners drive ins and Dives? on the Food network. The music at
the start and as segments begin and end will give you an idea of just how wonderful AM sounded until a bevy of bad PD?s demanded
the meter on the modulation monitor resemble pure DC with absurd audio processing.
During the fifties the idea was to make your AM station sound like the Seeburg or Wurlitzer juke box at the local drive in or Ice cream parlor
the sound was so infectious it almost made you dance.
Great AM radio was done by recreating this identical juke box sound coming out of the speakers on car radios especially the high quality Delco
radios in GM cars, they were so good that Chrysler used them in their Imperials and Ford used them in their Lincolns in addition
to Studebaker in all their products. The idea was to duplicate that same party feel wherever you listened and not only did it work but it worked extremely well. Rich, full and thumpy, like the way the brilliant German musician Bert Kaempfert crafted the bass in all his music.
During my early years in radio not only did AM sound this way the first top 40 FM stations had this great sound made even better with extended frequency response along with stereo. I am happy to say I was CE of one of the very early top 40 FM stations that sounded this way, It also was loud because it was very full and rich.
Thanks to the US government destruction of Delco/Delphi, GM cars no longer use equipment from the most advanced and highest quality manufacturer
of car audio.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jun  9 01:41:17 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:41:17 -0400
Subject: Great AM audio during its heyday
In-Reply-To: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>
References: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <4FD2E1FD.8010307@attorneyross.com>

On 6/8/2012 11:24 PM, Chris Hall wrote:

> For younger readers or those whose memories have faded, if you want to experience what a well engineered AM radio station sounded
> like during the fifties through the mid seventies watch an episode of ?Diners drive ins and Dives? on the Food network. The music at
> the start and as segments begin and end will give you an idea of just how wonderful AM sounded until a bevy of bad PD?s demanded
> the meter on the modulation monitor resemble pure DC with absurd audio processing.
> During the fifties the idea was to make your AM station sound like the Seeburg or Wurlitzer juke box at the local drive in or Ice cream parlor
> the sound was so infectious it almost made you dance.
> Great AM radio was done by recreating this identical juke box sound coming out of the speakers on car radios especially the high quality Delco
> radios in GM cars, they were so good that Chrysler used them in their Imperials and Ford used them in their Lincolns in addition
> to Studebaker in all their products. The idea was to duplicate that same party feel wherever you listened and not only did it work but it worked extremely well. Rich, full and thumpy, like the way the brilliant German musician Bert Kaempfert crafted the bass in all his music.
> During my early years in radio not only did AM sound this way the first top 40 FM stations had this great sound made even better with extended frequency response along with stereo. I am happy to say I was CE of one of the very early top 40 FM stations that sounded this way, It also was loud because it was very full and rich.
> Thanks to the US government destruction of Delco/Delphi, GM cars no longer use equipment from the most advanced and highest quality manufacturer
> of car audio.

I suppose in those days, it didn't hurt that more AM radios could 
produce that kind of full sound.  I still have the Philco 
radiophonograph that my father bought in 1947, and it still sounds as 
good as it did then.  At least on WJIB anyway.  Or when I use a patch 
cord to play old radio shows into it.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From chris2526@comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 02:52:49 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:52:49 -0400
Subject: A few different things
Message-ID: <44B755F806284027B4F888B3E9BB8721@chrisHP>

IGA is alive and well as a supplier to the McKinnon's chain in Boston and Southern NH, just bought a pound of IGA butter tonight, when I was a kid there 
was a major AG distribution warehouse on the Marblehead ?Salem line in the building of the old LEAD MILLS FACTORY........which was later torn down
and declared a major superfund site due to what you ask?  LEAD Great place to store groceries!!!
Every kid in the neighborhood myself included swam and dived on the Marblehead side of the bridge on the old factory beach.
We also swam at Pickman park on the other side of the bridge in what you ask..... the GTE Sylvania incandescent and florescent lighting plant contamination also a superfund site that was covered and sealed like Love Canal.

Something a bit bizarre to ponder, anyone growing up in New England and the provinces of eastern Canada surely remember the the radio, TV and print 
slogan ?It?s Cott to be good?. What happened to Cott? in the early 70?s it disappeared up North while I lived in Florida. Guess what.... Cott is alive and well headquartered in Columbus, Georgia and the worlds largest bottler of private label soda for the majors like Wal-Mart.

Bizarre part two...Anyone who has lived in the South or the Mid West is sure to know the Piggly Wiggly brand name, what makes so ironic? The home office of Piggly Wiggly is in Keene, NH a division of C&S wholesale grocers. If you have ever bought a Best or Best Yet product you are buying Piggly Wiggly.

Almost every Boston TV station begins news at 4:30 AM these days where is WBZ radio

From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 16:40:21 2012
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:40:21 -0400
Subject: A few different things
References: <44B755F806284027B4F888B3E9BB8721@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <B8DA378021DA40E9812B8A2967FFDC6E@MarkOTS3>

Chris Hall wrote:.

>Almost every Boston TV station begins news at 4:30 >AM these days where is 
>WBZ radio

Also, where is WHDH (Channel 7)? They're the only one of the Boston network 
affils still starting their early AM weekday news at 5:00.

WCVB has weekend news at 5:00AM, I'm pretty sure WHDH & WFXT doesn't, not 
sure about WBZ-TV.

Mark Watson



From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Jun 10 16:36:34 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:36:34 -0400
Subject: A few different things
References: <44B755F806284027B4F888B3E9BB8721@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <A56E95480EB5481598914FBEA9E29852@s20035>


>> Almost every Boston TV station begins news at 4:30 AM these days where is 
>> WBZ radio

With Steve Leveille (for now)....talking about the news, weather, sports, 
etc.   Are you inferring that ewverything has to be a straight newscast 
forumula?

News.....and news analysis, discussion, etc.....they're all welcome in my 
book.

Especially if it's live and local.

A better question is, where are all the other stations at that time? 
Certainly not live and local.

don





From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Jun 11 05:19:32 2012
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:19:32 -0400
Subject: 2 arrested for trying to climb tower
Message-ID: <20120611091932.227100@gmx.com>

http://www.universalhub.com/2012/two-arrested-newton-tower-where-worker-fell-his-de

 Were they trying to climb "because it was there?" Two arrested attempting to climb radio tower for 94.5, 98.5 (and backups for Kiss and 4 Greater M. stations). Same tower where a worker fell to his death last year.

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Mon Jun 11 07:40:41 2012
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:40:41 -0400
Subject: 2 arrested for trying to climb tower
In-Reply-To: <20120611091932.227100@gmx.com>
References: <20120611091932.227100@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <007601cd47c7$07a61000$16f23000$@net>

>  Were they trying to climb "because it was there?" Two arrested
> attempting to climb radio tower for 94.5, 98.5 (and backups for Kiss
> and 4 Greater M. stations). Same tower where a worker fell to his death
> last year.

They missed a few stations.... 90.9, 103.3, 62, 68, a couple low power TVs...

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Jun 11 09:14:28 2012
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:14:28 -0400
Subject: Great AM audio during its heyday
In-Reply-To: <4FD2E1FD.8010307@attorneyross.com>
References: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>
	<4FD2E1FD.8010307@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <CANgHZ05dv9VK5WFZy=79i6mWGVF+rBB9RYoEH5Em2qzo_8+_7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe we remember different jukeboxes.  The ones I remember were
excessively bass-heavy, and had little response above 1500 or 2000 Hz.
Might have sounded good in a noisy pool hall, but in a quieter environment,
not so much.  Sort of like the kids who turned the tone (ie-high cut)
control all the way down on their car radios and marvelled about how much
bass they had (when all it really did was sound muddy).




> On 6/8/2012 11:24 PM, Chris Hall wrote:
>
>  During the fifties the idea was to make your AM station sound like the
>> Seeburg or Wurlitzer juke box at the local drive in or Ice cream parlor
>> the sound was so infectious it almost made you dance.
>> Great AM radio was done by recreating this identical juke box sound
>> coming out of the speakers on car radios Thanks to the US government
>> destruction of Delco/Delphi, GM cars no longer use equipment from the most
>> advanced and highest quality manufacturer
>> of car audio.
>>
>

From map@mapinternet.com  Mon Jun 11 10:38:22 2012
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:38:22 -0400
Subject: WBZ overnight & A few different things
In-Reply-To: <44B755F806284027B4F888B3E9BB8721@chrisHP>
References: <44B755F806284027B4F888B3E9BB8721@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <CB220E26E9D54E01B5EB16659A90949A@CASEYPC>

For the many early risers....Yes--It would be great if WBZ would move it's 
News/Info programming up to a 4AM start. That would leave the 12-4am to fill 
with overnite talk/call-in programming...or...maybe some version of overnite 
news & info programming?

But..Please, Please....No more paid commercial programs. It makes listeners 
tune out. Sometimes they don't come back, or just come back less. Even 
syndicated or national personality or news and info programs (like Jim 
Bohannon etc) would be greatly preferred to the 30 minute vitamin, etc., 
programs. The only national program not to put on BZ would be Coast to Coast 
AM. It's already available many places on the dial at night, so it would not 
help WBZ.

Piggly Wiggly has many, many Supermarkets in North & South Carolina, like 
IGA, they are single owner stores or small chains.
Not branded as IGA, but IGA is the grocery supplier for our small meat & 
grocery market here in Hampden, MA. If you have a "neighborhood" market in 
New England , it may be supplied IGA, (or Piggly Wiggly--but the PW name is 
almost exclusively found in the Southeast & Midwest). Look at the canned 
goods to determine. Regionally, Piggly Wiggly has capitalized on local 
loyaties with their "I'm Stickin' with the Pig" Bumper Sticker Campaign-Ha! 
And....in their stores, they have a music format which only plays songs 
about food! It ID's as WEAT. (must be AM as the Florida station uses the FM 
calls)
Ok....Just kidding about the food music & WEAT, but the Bumper Sticker is 
the truth.

Mark Casey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hall" <chris2526@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:52 AM
Subject: A few different things


IGA

Piggly Wiggly.

Almost every Boston TV station begins news at 4:30 AM these days where is 
WBZ radio


From map@mapinternet.com  Mon Jun 11 09:44:51 2012
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:44:51 -0400
Subject: Great AM audio during its heyday
In-Reply-To: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>
References: <71BD12CC925D48E3BF65489A4A22AE3D@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <3CDA79C47FD145B5BC43B0553277102C@CASEYPC>

Hi Chris,
How much was the fidelity affected when the FCC changed the AM bandwidth 
standard back in the 80's (or was it early 90's?) ?
Thanks,
Mark Casey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hall" <chris2526@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: Great AM audio during its heyday


For younger readers or those whose memories have faded, if you want to 
experience what a well engineered AM radio station sounded
like during the fifties through the mid seventies watch an episode of 
?Diners drive ins and Dives? on the Food network. .......... 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jun 12 20:43:04 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:43:04 -0400
Subject: Shameless Plug for Bob and me
Message-ID: <4FD7E218.6000901@donnahalper.com>

Mr Jibguy and yours truly were the guests on Callie Crossley's show on 
WGBH earlier today, discussing a wide range of radio-related topics (the 
way Bob, Scott Fybush, Garrett, and I used to do on LTAR).  If you are 
interested, here's the link:  
http://wwe.wgbh.org/programs/The-Callie-Crossley-Show-855/episodes/Tue-61212Boston-Aircheck-39330

From chris2526@comcast.net  Tue Jun 12 21:52:10 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:52:10 -0400
Subject: Airplay, the rise of Rock radio
Message-ID: <ECE19D6131D24E0FA0D078CA0226EAA1@chrisHP>

For more examples of what great AM audio was like try to catch the rerun of Airplay...the rise of Rock now radio running on PBS Explore
it is on tonight (Tuesday) several times on NHPTV Comcast 296.
Lots of great radio pictures and film of the fifties, some of those stations sure sounded great. I do not recall WABC being one of the better
sounding of the day. It seems to be more of a legendary myth, and I may be taking my life in my hands when I say it never had that bouncy low 
end and silky polished high end sheen that many of the other great stations featured. Hard and strident with reverb. I have a few WABC air checks
which confirm what I say. What ever it was it worked, not my audio cup of tea as they say. I suspect talent, signal, and excellent promotions                         played the biggest part. A clip of Richmond Brothers WPGC-1580  had the identical audio sound of sister station WMEX and speaking of WMEX
watch for the WOO

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 17:19:41 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:41 -0400
Subject: Will radio follow this trend?
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPy6j9W2U5bcHRFc9G82=EuRX-tmDRXvM9bxDJ2Sju=3Q@mail.gmail.com>

FOX25 just announced the morning news will begin at 4 AM starting in July.

http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/06/13/morning-newscast-fox-will-soon-start-station-looks-expand-local-news-coverage/82i0MeFfakD4Bx0Kb0aKGK/story.html?p1=Upbox_links


I have to wonder now if a station like WBZ will start their newsblock even
earlier than 5:30 AM or other stations starting morning drive at 5 AM.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 17:32:31 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:31 -0400
Subject: WEEI roars back
Message-ID: <CABnTNsNdQPhXLtK9+A7uuSqCJ5b35g8TJez1CLdBhe_CaDLtVw@mail.gmail.com>

Chad Finn in the Globe looks at the May 2012 numbers and WEEI is very much
alive.

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/06/strong_may_for_weei_in_ratings.html


What has caught my eye is that the raw cume for WEEI is 300K higher than
WBZ-FM

http://www.radio-info.com/markets/boston


My hunch is that is Red Sox play by play driven as I know of many who would
never listen to sports radio but will listen to a game.


My understanding is Arbitron does not report AM/FM numbers with single line
reporting unless the client pays extra which may explain why nobody seems
to know the breakdown between 93.7 and 850.


I got to admit I have not listened to a pure AM signal in months except for
WCBS and Yankees games. I listen to EEI on 93.7 and WBZ on the 98.5 HD
subchannel.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 19:36:18 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:36:18 -0400
Subject: Chicago broadcast museum finally reopens
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMFHzFVU+6ortnb3TN6A+JwGrs-VtreWJSDQH9TsXb5XA@mail.gmail.com>

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8698704


The Chicago Museum of Broadcast Communications finally reopened today (June
13, 2012 ) after 8 1/2 years. If you are in Chicago it is worth a visit.
 The Radio Hall of Fame is also located there.

http://www.museum.tv/

From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Jun  9 13:17:39 2012
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:17:39 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
Message-ID: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bob Nelson
>Sent: 06/08/12 02:25 PM
>To: Boston Radio Group
>Subject: re: Changes at WWZN

 >From WWZN Rev Boston site; "new lineup starts today" >Bios of hosts/shows, no explanation of cancellations >http://www.revolutionboston.com/on-air 
 I tuned in to WWZN at times Friday and noticed it was airing an unsourced newscast (Not NBC radio) and then
 AlSharpton. My first guess was that their reception of the satellite that delivered Miller/Schultz and Hartmann had
 failed and that they would fix it in time for Monday. Stephanie Miller is bringing her troupe of entertainers to
 the Wilbur Theater tonight (Saturday night). WWZN would normally be expected to have a table at the event
 but probably won't tonight. Will anyone in the audience know about this and will it be commented on?
 Stephaniue Miller's radio show is simulcast on Current TV and I have Current TV (which I ordered
 for Keith Olbermann's show , oops), but now it serves as the source of Steph's show. If it turns out that DialGlobal
 has secured another outlet for its shows, that explains a lot.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 02:39:10 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:39:10 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
In-Reply-To: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>

 Ed Schultz has told listeners he will be on a bigger Boston station later
this summer.

My hunch is 96.9

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bob Nelson
> >Sent: 06/08/12 02:25 PM
> >To: Boston Radio Group
> >Subject: re: Changes at WWZN
>
>  >From WWZN Rev Boston site; "new lineup starts today" >Bios of
hosts/shows, no explanation of cancellations >
http://www.revolutionboston.com/on-air
>  I tuned in to WWZN at times Friday and noticed it was airing an
unsourced newscast (Not NBC radio) and then
>  AlSharpton. My first guess was that their reception of the satellite
that delivered Miller/Schultz and Hartmann had
>  failed and that they would fix it in time for Monday. Stephanie Miller
is bringing her troupe of entertainers to
>  the Wilbur Theater tonight (Saturday night). WWZN would normally be
expected to have a table at the event
>  but probably won't tonight. Will anyone in the audience know about this
and will it be commented on?
>  Stephaniue Miller's radio show is simulcast on Current TV and I have
Current TV (which I ordered
>  for Keith Olbermann's show , oops), but now it serves as the source of
Steph's show. If it turns out that DialGlobal
>  has secured another outlet for its shows, that explains a lot.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Jun 14 03:02:42 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 03:02:42 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
	<CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FD98C92.4090300@donnahalper.com>

On 6/14/2012 2:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>   Ed Schultz has told listeners he will be on a bigger Boston station later
> this summer.
>    
All I know is there was some kind of issue (financial, I would guess) 
between Dial Global and WWZN.  I would not be at all surprised if Ed 
surfaced on a rightie talk station-- he's heard on several other rightie 
stations as the "token leftie" and he gets some pretty strong numbers.  
Interestingly, as a historian, I believe this is how it used to be done 
back in the 1950s and 1960s-- radio stations would have a right-wing 
talker, then a left-wing talker.  That's how they managed equal time rules!

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 07:27:54 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:27:54 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
In-Reply-To: <4FD98C92.4090300@donnahalper.com>
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
	<CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FD98C92.4090300@donnahalper.com>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8NH_AY77WAWsaaoSYXQubZKoZe46N4pFqEu2XpzcmR4VQ@mail.gmail.com>

We could speculate about 1200 or 101.7 going libtalk (rightie talk
one, leftie on the other); I would doubt WRKO. As for WTKK they seem
to like Smerconish (and I don't know if Grace Blazer is still there
but she brought him into radio at WPHT I think). Another option might
be for 96.9 to run it at 6 pm where currently The Daily Wrap airs, or
about 9 or 10 pm in place of Batchelor. What are the other options,
"bigger" than WWZN? (As for WRKO, somehow I doubt them, but they could
possibly run Ed at 7 pm in place of Savage. Entercom does do libtalk
in
Buffalo...)

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Jun 14 09:38:22 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:38:22 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
	<CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E4797542D9F47E69463AD9B46ECD8D7@SatU205S5044>

If bigger Boston station means 101.7, bigger is a joke, although the
likely higher FM listenership could more than make up for 101.7's
signal deficiencies. If bigger means 1200, that's also a joke, WWZN
DOES have a better signal than 1200, albeit not a whole lot better. In
theory, WWZN has a MUCH lower NIF than 1200, but that low NIF is not
realized in practice because first adjacents WWKB and WFED (both of
which are supposed to contribute to WWZN's NIF) gang up to absolutely
cream WWZN. WRKO would qualify as bigger, but why would WRKO delay a
programming move to later this summer? A non-compete with a station
that has already dropped the program wouldn't seem to add up.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Changes at WWZN


> Ed Schultz has told listeners he will be on a bigger Boston station
> later
> this summer.
>
> My hunch is 96.9
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Bob Nelson
>> >Sent: 06/08/12 02:25 PM
>> >To: Boston Radio Group
>> >Subject: re: Changes at WWZN
>>
>>  >From WWZN Rev Boston site; "new lineup starts today" >Bios of
> hosts/shows, no explanation of cancellations >
> http://www.revolutionboston.com/on-air
>>  I tuned in to WWZN at times Friday and noticed it was airing an
> unsourced newscast (Not NBC radio) and then
>>  AlSharpton. My first guess was that their reception of the
>> satellite
> that delivered Miller/Schultz and Hartmann had
>>  failed and that they would fix it in time for Monday. Stephanie
>> Miller
> is bringing her troupe of entertainers to
>>  the Wilbur Theater tonight (Saturday night). WWZN would normally
>> be
> expected to have a table at the event
>>  but probably won't tonight. Will anyone in the audience know about
>> this
> and will it be commented on?
>>  Stephaniue Miller's radio show is simulcast on Current TV and I
>> have
> Current TV (which I ordered
>>  for Keith Olbermann's show , oops), but now it serves as the
>> source of
> Steph's show. If it turns out that DialGlobal
>>  has secured another outlet for its shows, that explains a lot.


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 10:31:21 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
In-Reply-To: <2E4797542D9F47E69463AD9B46ECD8D7@SatU205S5044>
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>
	<CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E4797542D9F47E69463AD9B46ECD8D7@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8PCNEWnfVH7JkNb84BJ87MUKoCkBQj7cL=P22fv7YAMuw@mail.gmail.com>

"Later this summer" may mean a possible 1200 or 101.7 deal, as Mindich
vacates 101.7 in late July and CC takes over 101.7.

RKO pushes north and south after dark, fairly solid on the whole, but
earlier sunsets could hurt (and I'd think they'd only take Ed maybe in
place of Savage. They are locked up with Michele and Howie and stay
local daytime of course). A live clearance or delayed on 96.9 could be
possible.

RKO hasn't pushed for an FM simulcast --and of course Entercom really
doesn't have anything available other than the WAAF simulcast which
they wouldn't want to blow up. RKO does well signal-wise by day, so
they have Feinburg, Financial Exchange, McPhee and Howie--and after 7
pm with Savage, Doyle, and Red Eye no big deal if the signal doesn't
push west. The money is in days. Thus they figure the 680 signal is
half decent but perhaps if an FM outlet
opened up and they bought it, it could work. Would they keep talk if Howie left?
Somehow I think 680, 96.9, and 1200 all are not budging from the talk formats.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Jun 14 15:54:17 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:54:17 -0400
Subject: Changes at WWZN
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8PCNEWnfVH7JkNb84BJ87MUKoCkBQj7cL=P22fv7YAMuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120609171739.24920@gmx.com>	<CABnTNsMeEDFyeHwwNg6mYQTKDbUpeQr7=b_1vXaV98-Tn6ONcw@mail.gmail.com>	<2E4797542D9F47E69463AD9B46ECD8D7@SatU205S5044>
	<CAJht-8PCNEWnfVH7JkNb84BJ87MUKoCkBQj7cL=P22fv7YAMuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FDA4169.4090605@donnahalper.com>

On 6/14/2012 10:31 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:
> "Later this summer" may mean a possible 1200 or 101.7 deal, as Mindich
> vacates 101.7 in late July and CC takes over 101.7.
>    

What will be interesting, in addition to where, is when.  Ed Schultz and 
Thom Hartmann worked things out so that instead of competing with each 
other by being on the air in the same time slot, Ed would get to 
broadcast live at noon and Thom at 3 pm.  I wonder what Dial Global's 
arrangement with them is-- how many hours are they allowed to be 
time-shifted?  Both are on XM, of course, as is Stephanie Miller, in 
their regular time slots (9 AM for Stephanie, noon for Ed, 3 for Thom).

From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 09:21:24 2012
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:21:24 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I]  Re: Changes at WWZN
Message-ID: <4FDB36D4.9070503@Gmail.com>

The masked radio omnivore, Bob ?Radio Raccoon? Nelson, wrote,

 > ?Later this summer? may mean a possible 1200 or 101.7 deal,
 > as Mindich vacates 101.7 in late July and CC takes over 101.7.
 >
 > RKO pushes north and south after dark, fairly solid on the
 > whole, but earlier sunsets could hurt (and I?d think they?d
 > only take Ed maybe in place of Savage. They are locked up
 > with Michele and Howie and stay local daytime of course).
 > A live clearance or delayed on 96.9 could be possible.

Well, don?t forget, 'BZ is looking for an overnight and CBS?s own 
?Overnight America with Jon Grayson?, which is currently
on 'TKK, would make a good fit, topic and style-wise??albeit, 
it?s not local, but the national suits don?t care.
I could see 'BZ grabbing Grayson and 'TKK picking up Ed Schultz 
for either delayed broadcast or live, pushing Michael Smerconish 
to delayed overnight.

-- 
      ~Kaimbridge~

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From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 09:23:06 2012
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:23:06 -0400
Subject: HD1 required?
Message-ID: <018701cd4afa$03dbac60$0b930520$@ma@comcast.net>

I was wondering..are FM stations broadcasting in HD *required* to run an HD1
service that duplicates the analog programming? For example, WEEI-FM, WTKK,
and WBZ-FM all run "spoken word" formats on their analog signals which are
not improved in clarity that greatly in HD. So, could WTKK, for example, run
its talk programming only on analog, skip HD1 duplicating the analog, keep
HD2 as Irish music, and then run additional HD sub-channels with additional
programming? Not running the HD1 would give them more bandwidth for a
high-clarity HD3 if they wanted to run another music program there. Often
HD3's are used for spoken word because there is not as much bandwidth
available.

 

 


From scott@fybush.com  Fri Jun 15 10:41:49 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:41:49 -0400
Subject: HD1 required?
In-Reply-To: <018701cd4afa$03dbac60$0b930520$@ma@comcast.net>
References: <018701cd4afa$03dbac60$0b930520$@ma@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4FDB49AD.4010003@fybush.com>

On 6/15/2012 9:23 AM, Jim Hall wrote:
> I was wondering..are FM stations broadcasting in HD *required* to run an HD1
> service that duplicates the analog programming? For example, WEEI-FM, WTKK,
> and WBZ-FM all run "spoken word" formats on their analog signals which are
> not improved in clarity that greatly in HD. So, could WTKK, for example, run
> its talk programming only on analog, skip HD1 duplicating the analog, keep
> HD2 as Irish music, and then run additional HD sub-channels with additional
> programming? Not running the HD1 would give them more bandwidth for a
> high-clarity HD3 if they wanted to run another music program there. Often
> HD3's are used for spoken word because there is not as much bandwidth
> available.
>

There is no technical reason why you have to have an HD1 that duplicates 
the analog, but there *is* a regulatory requirement to do so.

However...you can divide the 96 kbps of primary HD bandwidth in whatever 
way makes sense, so if WTKK wanted to do so, it could allocate 32k to 
HD1 and 64k to HD2.

(As for HD3 - it's often forgotten that there's a newer version of the 
HD encoding scheme that provides for an additional set of carriers 
closer to the center frequency of the channel. That additional bandwidth 
- I want to say it's 32 kbps, but it might be 40 or 48k - can't be 
combined with the primary carriers, but it can be used for an HD3 and/or 
and HD4 to free up space for more HD1/HD2 bandwidth on the primary 
carriers.)

It's also not always the case that spoken word = lower bandwidth 
requirements. The codecs used for HD Radio are quite efficient for 
music, but often not so good for spoken word. I've heard a lot of 32k 
and even some 48k spoken-word HD services that are nearly unlistenable, 
and some 24k music services that are surprisingly adequate. Good 
processing makes a world of difference.

s

From sids1045@aol.com  Fri Jun 15 11:34:21 2012
From: sids1045@aol.com (sids1045@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: HD1 required?
Message-ID: <8CF1923782D73CA-F20-1AB4@webmail-d159.sysops.aol.com>




"are FM stations broadcasting in HD *required* to run an HD1 service that duplicates the analog programming?"
Yes. 

? 73.403 Digital audio broadcasting
service requirements.

(a) Broadcast radio stations using
IBOC must transmit at least one over-the-
air digital audio programming
stream at no direct charge to listeners.
In addition, a broadcast radio station
must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.

must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.


IBOC must transmit at least one over-the-
air digital audio programming
stream at no direct charge to listeners.
In addition, a broadcast radio station
must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.

must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.



? 73.403 Digital audio broadcasting
service requirements.

(a) Broadcast radio stations using
IBOC must transmit at least one over-the-
air digital audio programming
stream at no direct charge to listeners.
In addition, a broadcast radio station
must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.

must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.


IBOC must transmit at least one over-the-
air digital audio programming
stream at no direct charge to listeners.
In addition, a broadcast radio station
must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.

must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.


IBOC must transmit at least one over-the-
air digital audio programming
stream at no direct charge to listeners.
In addition, a broadcast radio station
must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.

must simulcast its analog audio programming
on one of its digital audio
programming streams. The DAB audio
programming stream that is provided
pursuant to this paragraph must be at
least comparable in sound quality to
the analog programming service currently
provided to listeners.




From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Jun 15 17:51:10 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:51:10 -0400
Subject: HD1 required?
In-Reply-To: <018701cd4afa$03dbac60$0b930520$%ma@comcast.net>
References: <018701cd4afa$03dbac60$0b930520$%ma@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <39851F60-4C1F-4B77-984E-9C2CBC300BC7@mac.com>


On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jim Hall wrote:

> I was wondering..are FM stations broadcasting in HD *required* to run an HD1
> service that duplicates the analog programming? 

Yes!

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From chris2526@comcast.net  Sat Jun 16 00:23:05 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:23:05 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
Message-ID: <76CC00D7D1BC4631B6DAFCC990C5B20D@chrisHP>

Everyone keeps saying WPTR/WDCD is off the air, I drove through Albany in April and Western Mass in May and though sounding horrible
weak and grungy it certainly was on the air. At night most kids growing up on the North Shore during the late fifties through the mid sixties all went back and forth between WMEX-WKBW-WPTR . Not only was WPTR a nighttime blowtorch all over New England but it sounded great.
W-P-T-R FIFTEEN FORTY! Another radio heartbreaker.

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Jun 16 08:21:38 2012
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:21:38 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
References: <76CC00D7D1BC4631B6DAFCC990C5B20D@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>

Chris Hall wrote:

Everyone keeps saying WPTR/WDCD is off the air, I drove through Albany in 
April and Western Mass in May and though sounding horrible weak and grungy 
it certainly was on the air.

I was in Albany last weekend and WDCD was off the air. IIRC didn't they file 
a notice with the FCC to temporarily go silent while they try to find a new 
format? Agreed it's sad to see a 50,000 watt blowtorch go dark but 
apparently WDCD's owners (Crawford I believe) must be losing money with 1540 
if they made the decision to take it dark.

Also on my way home Sunday, on I-90 just east of Albany I faintly heard WXEX 
(Exeter NH) on 1540.

Mark Watson 



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 08:58:21 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>
References: <76CC00D7D1BC4631B6DAFCC990C5B20D@chrisHP>
	<5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg0h=iMpSMPP6V+7L+Jed2X9CtnZZPRjzAQk0YwtLTS9Aw@mail.gmail.com>

If you heard WXEX east of Albany, I'd bet they weren't running their 2 Watt
night power.

Paul



On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net> wrote:

> Chris Hall wrote:
>
> Everyone keeps saying WPTR/WDCD is off the air, I drove through Albany in
> April and Western Mass in May and though sounding horrible weak and grungy
> it certainly was on the air.
>
> I was in Albany last weekend and WDCD was off the air. IIRC didn't they
> file a notice with the FCC to temporarily go silent while they try to find
> a new format? Agreed it's sad to see a 50,000 watt blowtorch go dark but
> apparently WDCD's owners (Crawford I believe) must be losing money with
> 1540 if they made the decision to take it dark.
>
> Also on my way home Sunday, on I-90 just east of Albany I faintly heard
> WXEX (Exeter NH) on 1540.
>
> Mark Watson
>
>

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Jun 16 09:23:25 2012
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:23:25 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
References: <76CC00D7D1BC4631B6DAFCC990C5B20D@chrisHP><5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>
	<CADC3Yg0h=iMpSMPP6V+7L+Jed2X9CtnZZPRjzAQk0YwtLTS9Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62C3E4E0677D4EF6BB93F70B326A2E9A@MarkOTS3>

Paul B. Walker Jr. wrote:

>If you heard WXEX east of Albany, I'd bet they weren't running their 2 Watt night power.

  It was around 9:30 in the morning, so they should have been putting out their full 5,000 watt day power. Surprisingly on night power WXEX can be heard (barely) at the I-95 Hampton Toll Plaza.

Mark Watson

From scott@fybush.com  Sat Jun 16 09:32:06 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:32:06 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>
References: <76CC00D7D1BC4631B6DAFCC990C5B20D@chrisHP>
	<5E1D8FA0417745B4873219FAF8469A6C@MarkOTS3>
Message-ID: <4FDC8AD6.2000707@fybush.com>

On 6/16/2012 8:21 AM, Mark Watson wrote:

> I was in Albany last weekend and WDCD was off the air. IIRC didn't they
> file a notice with the FCC to temporarily go silent while they try to
> find a new format? Agreed it's sad to see a 50,000 watt blowtorch go
> dark but apparently WDCD's owners (Crawford I believe) must be losing
> money with 1540 if they made the decision to take it dark.

They did indeed file a silent STA, and they were very much off the air 
when I was last through Albany a week ago.

Crawford killed off a low-rated oldies format on WDCD's sister station, 
96.7 (which had been using the WPTR calls) and moved the paid religion 
and WDCD calls from 1540 to 96.7. It may or may not have been losing 
money on 1540, but it's certainly losing much less money (or making more 
money, as the case may be) on 96.7, where there's not a four-figure 
monthly power bill to deal with.

s

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 16 09:41:57 2012
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Arnie Ginsburg in movie
Message-ID: <1339854117.56603.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I've been watching a lot of rock and roll and country music movies from the 1960s. I found this clip of "Disk-O-Tech Holiday" with Arnie Woo-Woo Ginsburg introducing a girl group called The Orchids. Hy Lit and other noted DJs of the era are in the movie. Unfortunately Arnie is only in the first few seconds of the clip but it's a reminder of the power of AM radio back in the day. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6CP_vctB5s?

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 14:19:53 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:19:53 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <4FDC8AD6.2000707@fybush.com>
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In 1966 WPTR was one of three radio stations that were official hosts of
the Beatles at Suffolk Downs (along with WBZ and WMEX)

At night they were very popular in Montreal as the station came in much
stronger than signal challenged CFOX.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> On 6/16/2012 8:21 AM, Mark Watson wrote:
>
>  I was in Albany last weekend and WDCD was off the air. IIRC didn't they
>> file a notice with the FCC to temporarily go silent while they try to
>> find a new format? Agreed it's sad to see a 50,000 watt blowtorch go
>> dark but apparently WDCD's owners (Crawford I believe) must be losing
>> money with 1540 if they made the decision to take it dark.
>>
>
> They did indeed file a silent STA, and they were very much off the air
> when I was last through Albany a week ago.
>
> Crawford killed off a low-rated oldies format on WDCD's sister station,
> 96.7 (which had been using the WPTR calls) and moved the paid religion and
> WDCD calls from 1540 to 96.7. It may or may not have been losing money on
> 1540, but it's certainly losing much less money (or making more money, as
> the case may be) on 96.7, where there's not a four-figure monthly power
> bill to deal with.
>
> s
>

From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sun Jun 17 14:27:25 2012
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WPTR/WDCD 
Message-ID: <177a.26fbbcf8.3d0f7b8d@aol.com>

I remember that concert very well. The people that attended it  had a hard 
time hearing it because of all of the screaming. I could hear the  entire 
concert from any part of my neighborhood like I was there. The  Cyrkle was the 
opening band and they were good too. 
 
I have always wondered why there was never a copy of that  historic Beatles 
concert on film or videotape somewhere. I have never seen  a scrap of video 
or film on that concert. I have heard rumors that WBZ-TV has it  somewhere 
but it has never surfaced to my knowledge. 
 
They must have forgotten. 
 
Mike
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/17/2012 12:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>>In 1966 WPTR was one of three radio stations that were  official hosts of
the Beatles at Suffolk Downs (along with WBZ and  WMEX)

At night they were very popular in Montreal as the station came  in much
stronger than signal challenged  CFOX.<<<



From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Jun 17 15:19:51 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:19:51 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <177a.26fbbcf8.3d0f7b8d@aol.com>
References: <177a.26fbbcf8.3d0f7b8d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsO7E0W0g0XV0fLcgdBAYiZq4S1OKnOot_8q=533h0Uueg@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen some stills but no footage - Boston TV has a checkered
history with archives.

WSBK bought the WHDH-5 archive as once again the Herald-Traveler would
not help WCVB-TV at all. The only thing WCVB did get from WHDH was the
mobile unit.The Sports Museum wound up with the WHDH-5 sports archive
when WSBK donated it but I have no clue where the news archive went. I
don't think WBZ wanted it.

WNAC had no archive to speak of and WBZ-TV has very little before 1975.

Suffolk Down was an odd choice for the Beatles but I suspect the Red
Sox wanted no part of them.

The late Roger Scott was the WPTR announcer on stage. Scott became so
popular in Montreal that CFOX hired him and went that station lost the
battle with CKGM he went back to the UK.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM,  <TVNETDUDE@aol.com> wrote:
> I remember that concert very well. The people that attended it had a hard
> time hearing it because of all of the screaming. I could hear the entire
> concert from any part of my neighborhood?like I was there.?The Cyrkle was
> the opening band?and they were good too.
>
> I have always wondered why there was never a copy of that historic
> Beatles?concert on film or videotape somewhere. I have never seen a scrap of
> video or film on that concert. I have heard rumors that WBZ-TV has it
> somewhere but it has never surfaced to my knowledge.
>
> They must have forgotten.
>
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 6/17/2012 12:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:
>
>>>>In 1966 WPTR was one of three radio stations that were official hosts of
> the Beatles at Suffolk Downs (along with WBZ and WMEX)
>
> At night they were very popular in Montreal as the station came in much
> stronger than signal challenged CFOX.<<<
>


From paul@derrynh.net  Sun Jun 17 19:02:18 2012
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:02:18 -0400
Subject: WWHK
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsO7E0W0g0XV0fLcgdBAYiZq4S1OKnOot_8q=533h0Uueg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <177a.26fbbcf8.3d0f7b8d@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <BB3A9DF843C74605B5DFED430077887A@PaulPC>

Don't think I've seen it mentioned here yet, but...

WWHK 102.3 Concord NH is back on the air (within the last 2 weeks I 
believe).

They're playing MUZAK versions of pop tunes (Hearing Smashing Pumpkins tunes 
as MUZAK is disconcerting!)

They call themselves 'Easy Listening'...

I would think this is temporary....

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Epping NH 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Jun 17 23:01:52 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:52 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPpiW2aDFPqWuHLq9-UbB8RLNXjj9MhmOxhq4nPbwS3Ng@mail.gmail.com>

This is semi-broadcast related but Monday will mark the 40th
anniversary of the Boston Herald Traveler ending as they the H-T sold
the plant and trademarks to Hearst.

Of course it was all because the H-T had lost its license for channel 5.

The H-T rivalry with the Globe was bitter 50 years ago especially
because of channel 5.

The H-T even build the WHDH-TV studios across from the Globe to taunt them.

I still rank it as the biggest tragedy in Boston broadcast history as
the H-T ran a top notch service. Everybody played games with the FCC
back then but the H-T angered the wrong people starting with Joe
Kennedy.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 00:01:13 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:13 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <75EFB4DB-AFB1-4734-A9B9-C343EF2DA504@mac.com>
References: <CABnTNsPpiW2aDFPqWuHLq9-UbB8RLNXjj9MhmOxhq4nPbwS3Ng@mail.gmail.com>
	<75EFB4DB-AFB1-4734-A9B9-C343EF2DA504@mac.com>
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The worse part of the entire WHDH/WCVB saga was that BBI turned out to
be frauds.

>From the beginning WCVB was shaped by Metromedia and after a decade or
so BBI cashed out. The first WCVB GM was Bob Bennett and he was a
Metromedia guy. Of course Metromedia would cash out to Rupert Murdoch
and FOX decided they could cover Boston with WFXT and sold WCVB off to
Hearst.

BBI did do some great things but the old WHDH-TV was a fine broadcaster.

The whole cross ownership rules were a joke back then ( see Chicago
Tribune with WGN and WPIX )







On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Mark Laurence <marklaurence@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> This is semi-broadcast related but Monday will mark the 40th
>> anniversary of the Boston Herald Traveler ending as they the H-T sold
>> the plant and trademarks to Hearst...
>> I still rank it as the biggest tragedy in Boston broadcast history as
>> the H-T ran a top notch service. Everybody played games with the FCC
>> back then but the H-T angered the wrong people starting with Joe
>> Kennedy.
>
> It might have been the biggest newspaper tragedy, but I'd say Channel 5 got better when it became WCVB. The newspaper's almost-fatal mistake was to take on the identity of the Herald Traveler instead of the Record American. ? What a mess, including the convoluted name - Boston Herald Traveler and Record American in the morning, Record American and Boston Herald Traveler in the afternoon. ?Eventually they reversed that decision and went tabloid, too late for Hearst to save it but in time for Rupert Murdoch and Wingo. ?That was the biggest boost that Boston newspaper competition has had in my lifetime.


From marklaurence@mac.com  Sun Jun 17 23:18:24 2012
From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:18:24 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsPpiW2aDFPqWuHLq9-UbB8RLNXjj9MhmOxhq4nPbwS3Ng@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jun 17, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> This is semi-broadcast related but Monday will mark the 40th
> anniversary of the Boston Herald Traveler ending as they the H-T sold
> the plant and trademarks to Hearst...
> I still rank it as the biggest tragedy in Boston broadcast history as
> the H-T ran a top notch service. Everybody played games with the FCC
> back then but the H-T angered the wrong people starting with Joe
> Kennedy.

It might have been the biggest newspaper tragedy, but I'd say Channel 5 got better when it became WCVB. The newspaper's almost-fatal mistake was to take on the identity of the Herald Traveler instead of the Record American.   What a mess, including the convoluted name - Boston Herald Traveler and Record American in the morning, Record American and Boston Herald Traveler in the afternoon.  Eventually they reversed that decision and went tabloid, too late for Hearst to save it but in time for Rupert Murdoch and Wingo.  That was the biggest boost that Boston newspaper competition has had in my lifetime.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jun 17 23:46:25 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:46:25 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
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Does any station have the WPTR calls now?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun 18 00:02:23 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:02:23 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/17/2012 11:01 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The H-T even build the WHDH-TV studios across from the Globe to taunt them.

They may have taken some pleasure in building it there, but I suspect 
that business considerations, including the proximity to the 
Herald-Traveler building, were more important.

> I still rank it as the biggest tragedy in Boston broadcast history as
> the H-T ran a top notch service. Everybody played games with the FCC
> back then but the H-T angered the wrong people starting with Joe
> Kennedy.

The full story was in the Boston Phoenix a few years ago and can be 
found at
http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/dont_quote_me/documents/00469256.htm

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 01:12:31 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:12:31 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
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The calls are available as of now

WPTR was a classic paradox - popular at night ( in non-billable hours
) in New England and Quebec but a hard sell in the Albany area. WKBW
had the same problem in Buffalo where during the day tiny as WYSL and
later WGR killed them in the core city.



On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> Does any station have the WPTR calls now?
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 01:25:56 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:25:56 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FDEA84F.2010202@attorneyross.com>
References: <CABnTNsPpiW2aDFPqWuHLq9-UbB8RLNXjj9MhmOxhq4nPbwS3Ng@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FDEA84F.2010202@attorneyross.com>
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Joe - my Dad worked for WHDH-TV - the studio being built on Morrissey
Blvd was a direct cannon shot at the Globe.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 6/17/2012 11:01 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> The H-T even build the WHDH-TV studios across from the Globe to taunt
>> them.
>
>
> They may have taken some pleasure in building it there, but I suspect that
> business considerations, including the proximity to the Herald-Traveler
> building, were more important.
>
>
>> I still rank it as the biggest tragedy in Boston broadcast history as
>> the H-T ran a top notch service. Everybody played games with the FCC
>> back then but the H-T angered the wrong people starting with Joe
>> Kennedy.
>
>
> The full story was in the Boston Phoenix a few years ago and can be found at
> http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/dont_quote_me/documents/00469256.htm
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 01:39:08 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:39:08 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <4FDEBAE0.3000605@attorneyross.com>
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The extreme example is Larry Glick on WBZ.

Nobody knows how many listeners he had but back in the 70's he easily
had over a million. WBZ was as strong in Chicago as any local station
- but Glick didn't really make money for Westinghouse.

I suspect back then WABC had the most overnight listeners with WBZ and
WOR close behind.





On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:21 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 1:12 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> The calls are available as of now
>>
>> WPTR was a classic paradox - popular at night ( in non-billable hours
>> ) in New England and Quebec but a hard sell in the Albany area. WKBW
>> had the same problem in Buffalo where during the day tiny as WYSL and
>> later WGR killed them in the core city.
>
>
> Too bad nobody figured out how to market to distant advertisers in the area
> where the station was popular.
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 02:09:01 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:09:01 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <4FDEC1A9.8060702@donnahalper.com>
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Donna

I remember a night in 1967 when Waxy at WNEU was suddenly flooded by
callers in Ontario - and it was confirmed.

How a closed-carrier AM station on 560AM could show up 400 miles away
is a mystery but it happened.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 1:12 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>>
>> The calls are available as of now
>>
>> WPTR was a classic paradox - popular at night ( in non-billable hours
>> ) in New England and Quebec but a hard sell in the Albany area.
>>
>
>
> Reminds me of WMEX, which had a night signal that we used to joke was "#1 in
> trees and fish"-- you could hear it in the woods of Maine and it came in
> really well in Newfoundland. ?And when I was at WCAS, with its 250 wonderful
> watts, the signal skipped beautifully down to Provincetown on a regular
> basis. ?I used to get requests from P-Town all the time.


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun 18 01:10:50 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:10:50 -0400
Subject: The Future of AM radio
Message-ID: <4FDEB85A.2080206@attorneyross.com>

A propos the recent thread on this subject, I recalled and looked up an 
interesting prophesy in Robert Heinlein's novelette, "Logic of Empire," 
first published in Astounding Science Fiction in 1941.  It was later 
reprinted in the collection "The Green Hills of Earth."

The story takes place on Venus, circa 2010, which is depicted as a 
tropical swamp, as was common before NASA probes showed otherwise.  
Wingate, a wealthy lawyer who doubts that there is slavery on Venus, is 
shanghaied to Venus as an indentured servant and endures the squalor of 
servitude to the company that runs Venus.  Eventually he escapes and 
finds a community of escaped slaves somewhere in the swamp.  There are a 
number of such communities, but they have only primitive means of 
communicating with one another.  They have radio, but they are afraid to 
use it for anything but a major emergency, for fear that the company 
will find them through their transmissions.

Having been a radio hobbyist in his youth, he was assigned to the 
community radio:

"He was intrigued by the problem of safety in radio communication.  An 
idea, derived from some account of the pioneer days in radio, gave him a 
lead.  His installation, like all others, communicated by frequency 
modulation.  Somewhere he had seen a diagram for a totally obsolete type 
of transmitter, an amplitude modulator.  He did not have much to go on, 
but he worked out a circuit which he believed would oscillate in that 
fashion and which could be hooked up from the gear at hand." ...

"His first hookup failed; his forty-third attempt five weeks later 
worked.  Doc, statkoned some miles out in the bush, reported himself 
able to hear the broadcast via a small receiver constructed for the 
purpose, whereas Wingate picked up nothing whatsoever on the 
conventional receiver located in the same room with the experimental 
transmitter."

Hmm.  "Totally obsolete."  Well, not quite yet.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From chris2526@comcast.net  Mon Jun 18 01:38:07 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:38:07 -0400
Subject: Philco Phorum
Message-ID: <7B5A6E80DE204216B8C933FCEA618352@chrisHP>

I seem to remember several members including Joseph Ross have early Philco radios, I belong to a site called  The Philco Phorum that 
has everything Philco.  One of the new features available is download of 1941 and 1942 call letter tabs to replace any that you may be missing.
I have a beautiful 1937 Philco Art Deco console in my living room and on it are WORL, WJZ and WBZ. I am happy to be able to replace the four 
that are missing. During the early 60?s I spent hours in a friends basement listening to this radio in Salem, Mass. When her mother went into a nursing home a few years ago they were kind enough to call and ask if I might want it. During the day it had near perfect reception of WABC, WNBC and WCBS. WINS, WHN and WNEW were also listenable. The radio has a huge tuned movable loop beneath the chassis. Sad how things have deteriorated.
The radio still works but needs power supply filters replaced, I would love to see what the NYC reception is like now. I live in a Salem, NH condo with RF garbage so bad in the interior I can barely get WBZ and have recently lost WJIB on a Bose clock radio near the bedroom window. When I bought this place in 1987 the AM dial was totally clean throughout, in the past five years it has become unusable, a very sad state of affairs  

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun 18 01:21:36 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:21:36 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsN5JtZjStFx00XF5HF8yB1q8LAcqAZjLx95DgvnWzyuvA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/18/2012 1:12 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The calls are available as of now
>
> WPTR was a classic paradox - popular at night ( in non-billable hours
> ) in New England and Quebec but a hard sell in the Albany area. WKBW
> had the same problem in Buffalo where during the day tiny as WYSL and
> later WGR killed them in the core city.

Too bad nobody figured out how to market to distant advertisers in the 
area where the station was popular.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jun 18 01:50:33 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:50:33 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsN5JtZjStFx00XF5HF8yB1q8LAcqAZjLx95DgvnWzyuvA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/18/2012 1:12 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> The calls are available as of now
>
> WPTR was a classic paradox - popular at night ( in non-billable hours
> ) in New England and Quebec but a hard sell in the Albany area.
>    

Reminds me of WMEX, which had a night signal that we used to joke was 
"#1 in trees and fish"-- you could hear it in the woods of Maine and it 
came in really well in Newfoundland.  And when I was at WCAS, with its 
250 wonderful watts, the signal skipped beautifully down to Provincetown 
on a regular basis.  I used to get requests from P-Town all the time.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 02:30:25 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:30:25 -0400
Subject: The Future of AM radio
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I believe that most of us who love AM radio are now at least 50 ( or
much older )

More importantly it is the 'night owls' that remember.

If you were a 'late night' person in Boston in the late 60's you had
very few options. It is imperative to remember TV signed off overnight
and for the vast majority of people who were 'night owls' - AM was
huge.

The proof of this is how may remember WO9 - 8989

For many years on an early Monday morning it was either Norm Nathan on
WHDH or Ken Mayer on WBOS/WUNR - and people did listen.

It was the only game in town.

From map@mapinternet.com  Mon Jun 18 09:00:53 2012
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:00:53 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
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In 1966, WPTR's night signal was so good in Springfield, that it was the 
only station besides local, WHYN,  heard when trying out new radios INSIDE 
the Zayre's Dept Store. on Boston Rd.!
--Mark Casey
 


From hmglaz@att.net  Mon Jun 18 13:48:35 2012
From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
Message-ID: <1340041715.33580.YahooMailClassic@web180315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Donna wrote:

> And when I was at WCAS, with its 250 wonderful watts, the signal skipped >beautifully down to Provincetown on a regular basis.? I used to get >requests from P-Town all the time.

Did 'CAS ever try to sell time to P-Town advertisers? I don't recall any from there among all those Turtle Trucking and TT the Bear's Place spots in the mid-'70s, but you'd think the station would be a good fit for a bunch of upper Cape businesses.

Howard





From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Jun 18 21:31:16 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:31:16 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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<<On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:25:56 -0400, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> said:

> Joe - my Dad worked for WHDH-TV - the studio being built on Morrissey
> Blvd was a direct cannon shot at the Globe.

Was he a senior executive in the Herald-Traveler Company?  Do you have
documentary evidence?  (Perhaps filed next to the old stock
certificates at the 850 transmitter in Needham?)

-GAWollman


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 21:44:13 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:44:13 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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I have heard the story from several Herald staffers.

The H-T wanted to remind the Taylor family every day.




On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:25:56 -0400, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Joe - my Dad worked for WHDH-TV - the studio being built on Morrissey
> > Blvd was a direct cannon shot at the Globe.
>
> Was he a senior executive in the Herald-Traveler Company?  Do you have
> documentary evidence?  (Perhaps filed next to the old stock
> certificates at the 850 transmitter in Needham?)
>
> -GAWollman
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 00:28:42 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:28:42 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Garrett

My father was an employee and that is what he was told. That is good
enough for me.

You have refused for years to correct this entry in the
archives...even though it has been brought to your attention

http://www.bostonradio.org/stations/1912.html

> By the early 50s, the?Herald-Traveler?was pursuing TV, and in the mid-50s the company was granted an interim license to put channel 5 on the air. The allocation originally belonged to Worcester, but after going unclaimed for several years, it was moved to Boston. WHDH-TV made its debut as an ABC affiliate November 26, 1957, from the new WHDH AM/FM/TV building at 50 Morrissey Boulevard in Dorchester, and transmitter on Chestnut Street in?Newton?(the present-day FM-128 tower). An affiliation swap in 1962 made WHDH-TV Boston's CBS affiliate, and?WNAC-TV?7 became the ABC affiliate.

WHDH-TV signed on in 1957 at the Payne Furniture building at 6 St James Ave.


When the move to 50 Morrissey happened exactly I can not pinpoint (
either 1959 or 1960 ) - but Bozo didn't happen until the move to
Dorchester.

Here is video of the move from Park Sq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85_IhzDoECg

For the sake of history will you correct this error?






On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Garrett Wollman
<wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>
> <<On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:44:13 -0400, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> said:
>
> > I have heard the story from several Herald staffers.
> > The H-T wanted to remind the Taylor family every day.
>
> So in other words, no, you don't have any actual evidence.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 02:19:17 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:19:17 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
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I am sure they explored it because back then they also had KDKA and WOWO
catering to a large area.

Even WABC which back then most likely had the most listeners overnight had
to rely to a clothing store in New Jersey for the bulk of overnight billing.

I was told this 40 years ago - it was all about billable hours ( 6 AM - 6
PM )

It drove David Brudnoy crazy but the Bruins made a lot more money for
Westinghouse than he did. WBZ got the Bruins contract back in 1995 and even
with bad teams they made money.




On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:40 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

> On 6/18/2012 1:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>  The extreme example is Larry Glick on WBZ.
>>
>> Nobody knows how many listeners he had but back in the 70's he easily
>> had over a million. WBZ was as strong in Chicago as any local station
>> - but Glick didn't really make money for Westinghouse.
>>
>
> But has WBZ ever tried to market to the out-of-Boston audience?
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 01:35:22 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:35:22 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/18/2012 1:25 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Joe - my Dad worked for WHDH-TV - the studio being built on Morrissey
> Blvd was a direct cannon shot at the Globe.

That still depended on business considerations, such as the availability 
of the land at a price that made business sense.  And since the Herald 
Traveler plant (the present Herald plant) was nearby, it's not clear to 
me that the location wasn't chosen more for its proximity to the Herald 
Traveler than to the Globe, as delicious as the proximity to the Globe 
might have been.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 01:39:40 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:39:40 -0400
Subject: Philco Phorum
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On 6/18/2012 1:38 AM, Chris Hall wrote:

> I seem to remember several members including Joseph Ross have early Philco radios, I belong to a site called  The Philco Phorum that
> has everything Philco.

I'd be interested in looking at that site.  The radio I have is a 
radio-phonograph that my father bought in 1947.  It was in the 
livingroom when I was growing up until my father built a basement den, 
and it was moved down there.  It now graces my livingroom.  The radio 
still works, though it could use a filter capacitor.  The phonograph no 
longer works.  It has no station markers on the dial, just a slide-rule 
dial with a light.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 01:40:44 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:40:44 -0400
Subject: WPTR/WDCD
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On 6/18/2012 1:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The extreme example is Larry Glick on WBZ.
>
> Nobody knows how many listeners he had but back in the 70's he easily
> had over a million. WBZ was as strong in Chicago as any local station
> - but Glick didn't really make money for Westinghouse.

But has WBZ ever tried to market to the out-of-Boston audience?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 02:13:20 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:13:20 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 12:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:


> WHDH-TV signed on in 1957 at the Payne Furniture building at 6 St James Ave.
>
>
> When the move to 50 Morrissey happened exactly I can not pinpoint (
> either 1959 or 1960 ) - but Bozo didn't happen until the move to
> Dorchester.

The sign on of WHDH-TV in 1957 was well covered by the Herald Traveler 
in November 1957.  I remember a full Sunday supplement, with the actual 
sign-on about two weeks later than the anticipated sign-on because of 
high winds at the top of the tower, which prevented anyone going up to 
make the final connections.

I imagine the moving date can also be found in the Herald-Traveler 
archives at the Boston Public Library.  The problem is having the time 
to go and look.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 02:30:50 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:30:50 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 12:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> When the move to 50 Morrissey happened exactly I can not pinpoint ( 
> either 1959 or 1960 )

According to Wikipedia it was early 1960.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHDH-TV_%28defunct%29

>  - but Bozo didn't happen until the move to Dorchester.


But the same Wikipedia article says that Bozo began in 1959.


-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Jun 19 03:37:45 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:37:45 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 2:30 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 6/19/2012 12:28 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> When the move to 50 Morrissey happened exactly I can not pinpoint ( 
>> either 1959 or 1960 )
>
> According to Wikipedia it was early 1960.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHDH-TV_%28defunct%29
>
>>  - but Bozo didn't happen until the move to Dorchester.
>
>
> But the same Wikipedia article says that Bozo began in 1959.
>

And this is one of those times when Wikipedia has it right-- while the 
character of Bozo was appearing at retail stores in the mid 1950s, the 
TV show debuted on 6 September 1959.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jun 19 09:48:15 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:48:15 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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I arrived in Boston in May 1956. IIRC, WHDH-TV didn't sign on until at
least several months afterward (I have no problem with the idea that
the date was November '57). My recollection is that WHDH-TV signed on
from what had been the WHDH (AM) studios (which I believe were on St
James Ave). Part of those studios were converted into a cramped TV
studio. It was billed as an interim location but I can't recall
whether larger studios were built before WHDH-TV was forced to go dark
and was replaced by WCVB. Weren't the first WCVB studios at the
current location--on the west side of Route 128 in Needham? The
WHDH-TV transmitter was where you said--on what today is the FM-128
tower in Newton. The WCVB transmitter was also where it is today--on
the WBZ-TV tower in Needham. The Herald would not sell or lease any of
its TV facilities to WCVB. Allegedly, by refusing to cooperate with
WCVB, the Herald was trying to force WCVB into bankruptcy before it
could go on the air. The story I heard is that the Herald came close
to succeeding in this endeavor.

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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town


> Garrett
>
> My father was an employee and that is what he was told. That is good
> enough for me.
>
> You have refused for years to correct this entry in the
> archives...even though it has been brought to your attention
>
> http://www.bostonradio.org/stations/1912.html
>
>> By the early 50s, the Herald-Traveler was pursuing TV, and in the
>> mid-50s the company was granted an interim license to put channel 5
>> on the air. The allocation originally belonged to Worcester, but
>> after going unclaimed for several years, it was moved to Boston.
>> WHDH-TV made its debut as an ABC affiliate November 26, 1957, from
>> the new WHDH AM/FM/TV building at 50 Morrissey Boulevard in
>> Dorchester, and transmitter on Chestnut Street in Newton (the
>> present-day FM-128 tower). An affiliation swap in 1962 made WHDH-TV
>> Boston's CBS affiliate, and WNAC-TV 7 became the ABC affiliate.
>
> WHDH-TV signed on in 1957 at the Payne Furniture building at 6 St
> James Ave.
>
>
> When the move to 50 Morrissey happened exactly I can not pinpoint (
> either 1959 or 1960 ) - but Bozo didn't happen until the move to
> Dorchester.
>
> Here is video of the move from Park Sq
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85_IhzDoECg
>
> For the sake of history will you correct this error?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Garrett Wollman
> <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
>>
>> <<On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:44:13 -0400, Kevin Vahey
>> <kvahey@gmail.com> said:
>>
>> > I have heard the story from several Herald staffers.
>> > The H-T wanted to remind the Taylor family every day.
>>
>> So in other words, no, you don't have any actual evidence.
>>
>> -GAWollman
>>
>


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jun 19 09:45:10 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:45:10 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 1:35 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 1:25 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> Joe - my Dad worked for WHDH-TV - the studio being built on Morrissey
>> Blvd was a direct cannon shot at the Globe.
>
> That still depended on business considerations, such as the availability
> of the land at a price that made business sense. And since the Herald
> Traveler plant (the present Herald plant) was nearby, it's not clear to
> me that the location wasn't chosen more for its proximity to the Herald
> Traveler than to the Globe, as delicious as the proximity to the Globe
> might have been.
>

Morrissey Boulevard isn't all THAT close to One Herald Square; certainly 
not close enough to easily enable any real "synergy" between the paper 
and the broadcast operations, had that word been in vogue back in 1960. 
Nor is it the most logical spot for a broadcast operation for other 
reasons - I doubt there was line of site to either the TV/FM site in 
Newton or the AM site in Needham, and the traffic even in 1960 must have 
been pretty nasty.

I suspect the sort of evidence our esteemed moderator is seeking - what, 
an internal memo stating "We are moving to Morrissey Boulevard to thumb 
our nose at the Globe across the street"? - would never have existed to 
begin with, and 50-plus years out we don't have the actual people who 
did the move available to us to talk about it. The closest we're likely 
to get would be secondhand; say, the son of someone who worked there and 
who talked about it at the time, and even if it's not the sort of 
evidence that would be admissible in a court of law, we're not lawyers 
or judges here, anyway...well, the poster at the top of this message 
excepted.

Which is to say, I'm inclined to trust Kevin's story on this, with only 
the smallest grain of salt, if any.

s

From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Jun 19 10:47:06 2012
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:47:06 -0400
Subject: Philco Phorum
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If anyone is looking for old tube radio parts this looks like a good place. 
Seems there is a website for almost anything these days

Remember when electronics we so easy to repair?

http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Philco Phorum


> On 6/18/2012 1:38 AM, Chris Hall wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember several members including Joseph Ross have early 
>> Philco radios, I belong to a site called  The Philco Phorum that
>> has everything Philco.
>
> I'd be interested in looking at that site.  The radio I have is a 
> radio-phonograph that my father bought in 1947.  It was in the livingroom 
> when I was growing up until my father built a basement den, and it was 
> moved down there.  It now graces my livingroom.  The radio still works, 
> though it could use a filter capacitor.  The phonograph no longer works. 
> It has no station markers on the dial, just a slide-rule dial with a 
> light.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 15:47:54 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:47:54 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 9:48 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> I arrived in Boston in May 1956. IIRC, WHDH-TV didn't sign on until at
> least several months afterward (I have no problem with the idea that
> the date was November '57). 

I was in 7th grade at the time, and my recollection is that it came on 
just before school broke for Thanksgiving.

> My recollection is that WHDH-TV signed on
> from what had been the WHDH (AM) studios (which I believe were on St
> James Ave). Part of those studios were converted into a cramped TV
> studio. It was billed as an interim location but I can't recall
> whether larger studios were built before WHDH-TV was forced to go dark
> and was replaced by WCVB. 

No, WHDH-TV was on Morrissey Boulevard for most of its existence. Its 
studios then became the Channel 56 studios, at least until Channel 56 
was taken over by Channel 7.

> Weren't the first WCVB studios at the
> current location--on the west side of Route 128 in Needham? The
> WHDH-TV transmitter was where you said--on what today is the FM-128
> tower in Newton. The WCVB transmitter was also where it is today--on
> the WBZ-TV tower in Needham. 

Right.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From marklaurence@mac.com  Tue Jun 19 15:59:37 2012
From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:59:37 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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I think the WHDH studios were on the other side of Morrissey, where
Sovereign Bank now has offices.  The smaller building on the same side of
Morrissey as the Globe, to its right, was channel 56.  I've heard that was
originally a supermarket.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 6/19/2012 9:48 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>
>  I arrived in Boston in May 1956. IIRC, WHDH-TV didn't sign on until at
>> least several months afterward (I have no problem with the idea that
>> the date was November '57).
>>
>
> I was in 7th grade at the time, and my recollection is that it came on
> just before school broke for Thanksgiving.
>
>  My recollection is that WHDH-TV signed on
>> from what had been the WHDH (AM) studios (which I believe were on St
>> James Ave). Part of those studios were converted into a cramped TV
>> studio. It was billed as an interim location but I can't recall
>> whether larger studios were built before WHDH-TV was forced to go dark
>> and was replaced by WCVB.
>>
>
> No, WHDH-TV was on Morrissey Boulevard for most of its existence. Its
> studios then became the Channel 56 studios, at least until Channel 56 was
> taken over by Channel 7.
>
>  Weren't the first WCVB studios at the
>> current location--on the west side of Route 128 in Needham? The
>> WHDH-TV transmitter was where you said--on what today is the FM-128
>> tower in Newton. The WCVB transmitter was also where it is today--on
>> the WBZ-TV tower in Needham.
>>
>
> Right.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>
>

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Tue Jun 19 16:09:07 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:09:07 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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>
>
> No, WHDH-TV was on Morrissey Boulevard for most of its existence. Its
> studios then became the Channel 56 studios, at least until Channel 56 was
> taken over by Channel 7.
>
>
>From what I remember, channel 56 was at 75 Morrissey Boulevard, next to the
Globe building.

The former WHDH studios were across the street at 50 Morrissey Boulevard.

-Bob

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 17:27:05 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:27:05 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 4:09 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote:

>> No, WHDH-TV was on Morrissey Boulevard for most of its existence. Its
>> studios then became the Channel 56 studios, at least until Channel 56 was
>> taken over by Channel 7.
>>
> >From what I remember, channel 56 was at 75 Morrissey Boulevard, next to the
> Globe building.
>
> The former WHDH studios were across the street at 50 Morrissey Boulevard.

Well, according to Wikipedia, the WLVI studios were a former supermarket 
building.  I don't know where I heard that they had the former WHDH-TV 
studios, but this seems to be inaccurate.  So one of the questions 
becomes, just what became of the WHDH-TV studios, were they actually 
across the street from the Globe, and how far were they from the Herald?

Maybe Donna can enlighten us.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jun 19 16:29:58 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:29:58 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 3:59 PM, Mark Laurence wrote:
> I think the WHDH studios were on the other side of Morrissey, where
> Sovereign Bank now has offices.  The smaller building on the same side of
> Morrissey as the Globe, to its right, was channel 56.  I've heard that was
> originally a supermarket.

Correct. To be specific, WHDH radio and TV was 50 Morrissey Blvd, 
WKBG/WLVI was 75 Morrissey and the Globe is 135 Morrissey.

The WHDH building still survives as part of the BayBank (or was it Bank 
of Boston?)/Sovereign Bank complex. It's the southernmost part of that 
complex, and it's been heavily renovated, at least from the outside, 
with the former entryway on the left side of the building now bricked 
over. I would love to know if anything survives inside from the WHDH 
era. I suspect not, if only because the rear of the building, where the 
studios were located, became the attachment point to the rest of the 
complex when it was built sometime after WHDH went away in 1972.

The 50 Morrissey Blvd. building was, as best I can figure it, one of 
only a half-dozen buildings in the history of Boston TV to be 
purpose-built from the ground up as a broadcast facility. The first, of 
course, was WBZ on Soldiers Field Road in 1948. WHDH on Morrissey was 
the second, in 1960. After that, several followed in quick succession in 
the 1960s and early 1970s: WSBK on Birmingham Parkway, WGBH at 125 
Western Avenue (replacing the 84 Mass. Ave. building that burned in 
1961) and eventually WNAC/WRKO at Government Center.

The sixth, and last so far, is the new WGBH facility astride the Pike.

s

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jun 19 18:29:48 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:29:48 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 4:29 PM, Scott Fybush wrote:


> Correct. To be specific, WHDH radio and TV was 50 Morrissey Blvd, 
> WKBG/WLVI was 75 Morrissey and the Globe is 135 Morrissey.

So WHDH really wasn't across the street from the Globe?

-- 
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From ssmyth@psualum.com  Tue Jun 19 18:00:59 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:00:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Scott wrote:
>Correct. To be specific, WHDH radio and TV was 50 Morrissey Blvd, WKBG/WLVI was 75 Morrissey and the Globe is 135 Morrissey.
>
>The WHDH building still survives as part of the BayBank (or was it Bank of Boston?)/Sovereign Bank complex. It's the southernmost part of that complex, and it's been heavily renovated, at least from the outside, with the former 

>entryway on the left side of the building now bricked over. I would love to know if anything survives inside from the WHDH era. I suspect not, if only because the rear of the building, where the studios were located, became the 

>attachment point to the rest of the complex when it was built sometime after WHDH went away in 1972.


It was a Bank of Boston facility prior to the BayBank merger. 


In practice, how much synergy was there between the Herald-Traveler and the broadcast properties?


From tony.abruzzese@gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 19:58:44 2012
From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com (Anthony Abruzzese)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:58:44 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Message-ID: <CC06866D.16646%tony.abruzzese@gmail.com>

Those street numbers are closer together than you might think. They aren't
separated by city blocks.

The old WHDH studios were next door to BC High, at the bottom of the inbound
ramp up to Kosciusko (sp?) Circle. The Globe is on the the other side of
Morrissey Blvd, between the bottom of the outbound ramp and the turn
around/entrance  for Umass/Boston and the Kennedy library.

In the mid-70s, some people used  to walk from the T to UMB, though most
used the shuttle. You could see each building from the other quite easily
since the area wasn't as built up as it is now.

Tony

From:  "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
Organization:  law Office of A. Joseph Ross, J.D.
Date:  Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 PM
To:  "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org"
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Subject:  Re: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town

On 6/19/2012 4:29 PM, Scott Fybush wrote:


>  Correct. To be specific, WHDH radio and TV was 50 Morrissey Blvd,
>  WKBG/WLVI was 75 Morrissey and the Globe is 135 Morrissey.

So WHDH really wasn't across the street from the Globe?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com







From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 20:19:58 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:19:58 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Indeed, for my 50th birthday recently I was given a TV Guide for the
week I was born and it says WHDH-TV was at 50 Morrissey. Ch 2 was at
84 Mass Ave in Cambridge, Ch 4 on Soldiers Field Rd as you'd expect,
Ch 7 at 21 Brookline Ave

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net> wrote:

> The former WHDH studios were across the street at 50 Morrissey Boulevard.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jun 19 20:55:38 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:55:38 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/19/2012 5:27 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote:

> Well, according to Wikipedia, the WLVI studios were a former supermarket
> building. I don't know where I heard that they had the former WHDH-TV
> studios, but this seems to be inaccurate. So one of the questions
> becomes, just what became of the WHDH-TV studios, were they actually
> across the street from the Globe, and how far were they from the Herald?
>
> Maybe Donna can enlighten us.
>

As noted above, the former WHDH-TV studios eventually were incorporated 
into a larger office complex that was used by Bank of Boston/BayBank and 
is now Signature Bank. They're not directly opposite the Globe, but no 
more than a few hundred yards north on the other side of the street, and 
the Globies would have had to drive by there on their way to or from 
work, unless they were coming up from the south.

Last I heard, the old WLVI studios at 75 Morrissey Blvd. were sitting 
vacant - anyone know if that's still the case?

s

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Jun 19 22:01:16 2012
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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The WLVI building is still vacant. Comcast passed on it as a possible home for CSN and NESN because it's too small.

From marklaurence@mac.com  Tue Jun 19 22:53:01 2012
From: marklaurence@mac.com (Laurence Kranich)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:53:01 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> 
> Last I heard, the old WLVI studios at 75 Morrissey Blvd. were sitting vacant - anyone know if that's still the case?

True. Crews come by every year or so to freshen up the "for lease" signs. They dismantled all the satellite dish equipment a year or two ago. 



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 00:11:57 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:11:57 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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I believe Greater Media is still at 55 Morrissey Blv ...

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Laurence Kranich <marklaurence@mac.com>wrote:

> On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> >
> > Last I heard, the old WLVI studios at 75 Morrissey Blvd. were sitting
> vacant - anyone know if that's still the case?
>
> True. Crews come by every year or so to freshen up the "for lease" signs.
> They dismantled all the satellite dish equipment a year or two ago.
>
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jun 20 00:57:42 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:57:42 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <CC06866D.16646%tony.abruzzese@gmail.com>
References: <CC06866D.16646%tony.abruzzese@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FE15846.6020800@attorneyross.com>

On 6/19/2012 7:58 PM, Anthony Abruzzese wrote:

> Those street numbers are closer together than you might think. They 
> aren't separated by city blocks.
>
> The old WHDH studios were next door to BC High, at the bottom of the 
> inbound ramp up to Kosciusko (sp?) Circle. The Globe is on the the 
> other side of Morrissey Blvd, between the bottom of the outbound ramp 
> and the turn around/entrance  for Umass/Boston and the Kennedy library.
>
> In the mid-70s, some people used  to walk from the T to UMB, though 
> most used the shuttle. You could see each building from the other 
> quite easily since the area wasn't as built up as it is now.

Then it sounds like WHDH was indeed across the street from the Globe, if 
not directly across, pretty close.  I still think that when that much 
money is involved, adult businessmen are more interested in the 
financials than in going "nya, nya" to a rival.  But if the financials 
worked out, and the site was across from the Globe, that may well have 
been icing on the cake for that location.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 02:22:29 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:22:29 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FE15846.6020800@attorneyross.com>
References: <CC06866D.16646%tony.abruzzese@gmail.com>
	<4FE15846.6020800@attorneyross.com>
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At the end Harold Clancy was the GM of WHDH and publisher of the
Herald-Traveler. He was by all accounts a 'good boss'.  He passed 15 years
ago.

In the 60's the only real influence you saw with the Herald/Channel 5 was
with football.

The Herald ignored the Patriots and instead staffed all NY Giants games
which aired on channel 5.

The Globe in turn allowed a young reporter to cover the Patriots - Will
McDonough :)

The Herald in the 60's had some great writers - Jimmy Breslin, George
Frazier and Tim Horgan.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 6/19/2012 7:58 PM, Anthony Abruzzese wrote:
>
>  Those street numbers are closer together than you might think. They
>> aren't separated by city blocks.
>>
>> The old WHDH studios were next door to BC High, at the bottom of the
>> inbound ramp up to Kosciusko (sp?) Circle. The Globe is on the the other
>> side of Morrissey Blvd, between the bottom of the outbound ramp and the
>> turn around/entrance  for Umass/Boston and the Kennedy library.
>>
>> In the mid-70s, some people used  to walk from the T to UMB, though most
>> used the shuttle. You could see each building from the other quite easily
>> since the area wasn't as built up as it is now.
>>
>
> Then it sounds like WHDH was indeed across the street from the Globe, if
> not directly across, pretty close.  I still think that when that much money
> is involved, adult businessmen are more interested in the financials than
> in going "nya, nya" to a rival.  But if the financials worked out, and the
> site was across from the Globe, that may well have been icing on the cake
> for that location.
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 15:26:06 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:26:06 -0400
Subject: Globe: WGBH cuts back jazz,adds more news
Message-ID: <CAJht-8Oi4p5yFnem=dq-crgFVCZ-bY6pvu0W0MfufQZN9NVcbw@mail.gmail.com>

Those who want more news at night may have gotten their wish...at the
expense of jazz fans

http://www.boston.com/culturedesk/2012/06/20/jazz-programming-wgbh-being-scaled-back-blow-local-jazz-fans/T78rJxzM3OicIDXyOtRIdN/story.html

>>The moves could also have a negative impact on WGBH membership, Schwartz added, since membership in the WGBH Jazz Club includes access to live concerts that will no longer be produced.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Jun 20 14:47:44 2012
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:47:44 -0400
Subject: WGBH eliminates some jazz
Message-ID: <20120620184744.303660@gmx.com>

http://notlobmusic.blogspot.com/2012/06/wgbhs-march-towards-single-stream.html

 First they got rid of blues and folk. Jazz is on the chopping block next and WGBH radio relegates Eric Jackson
 to Fri, Sat, and Sunday and lets Steve Schwartz go. Kind of like what happened in Pittsburgh when
 WDUQ jazz was reduced from 100 hours per week to 6. ("Well, at least we still have Little E's," said the president of the Pitt. Blues Society to me, referring to a downtown jazz club.)

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Jun 20 16:57:49 2012
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:49 -0400
Subject: Globe: WGBH cuts back jazz,adds more news
Message-ID: <20120620205750.303650@gmx.com>

Details from Dan Kennedy:

http://www.dankennedy.net/2012/06/20/shuffling-the-deck-at-wgbh-radio/ 

 Three hours of the night programming will be re-airings of "Boston Public Radio" (aka the noon-2pm talk
 show) and "The World". Reruns, folks. Excited yet?

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Nelson
Sent: 06/20/12 03:26 PM
To: Boston Radio Group
Subject: Globe: WGBH cuts back jazz,adds more news

 Those who want more news at night may have gotten their wish...at the expense of jazz fans http://www.boston.com/culturedesk/2012/06/20/jazz-programming-wgbh-being-scaled-back-blow-local-jazz-fans/T78rJxzM3OicIDXyOtRIdN/story.html >>The moves could also have a negative impact on WGBH membership, Schwartz added, since membership in the WGBH Jazz Club includes access to live concerts that will no longer be produced.

From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 09:24:23 2012
From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:24:23 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
Message-ID: <CAOWx1Lbmk6XNeLf3FUy7bdEVWRSyYSe+31FMax=0X96aYo4i3g@mail.gmail.com>

It would be a grievous error to base understanding of the Ch. 5 case
entirely on the behavior of the Globe and the Kennedys as some
quick-and-dirty histories based on secondary sources do (especially when
they lapse into the unsubstantiated claim of Eisenhower administration era
FCC commissioners "with close ties to Kennedy")

Missing entirely from present-day accounts is any reference whatever to
Herald-Traveler Corp.'s considerable political muscle. We never see
mention  in  reviews of the WHDH affair of the owners of H-T Corp. The
"Yankee Republican" Boston Herald was owned by the same group of folks who
owned United Shoe Machinery Corp of Beverly, a Yankee Republican owned
industrial concern with considerable muscle. The other United States
Senator at the time was Leverett Saltonstall, Yankee Republican from
Beverly Farms. Both Kennedy and Saltonstall needed friends in newspapers
and, to a lesser extent, in the new medium of television as neither had won
50 percent of the vote in the elections in the ethnic Democrat vs. Yankee
Republican senate races of Lodge-Kennedy in '52 or Saltonstall-Furcolo in 56

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jun 21 00:41:22 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:41:22 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsOSnDgDg-r5WuV-a6wUh2CEvjCsza-qxNwLQkGXLbJscQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/20/2012 2:22 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> At the end Harold Clancy was the GM of WHDH and publisher of the 
> Herald-Traveler. He was by all accounts a 'good boss'.  He passed 15 
> years ago.

I remember him making the final farewell remarks on WHDH-TV just before 
the final sign-off.  It seemed fairly gracious, I thought.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jun 21 01:02:28 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:02:28 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <CAOWx1Lbmk6XNeLf3FUy7bdEVWRSyYSe+31FMax=0X96aYo4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOWx1Lbmk6XNeLf3FUy7bdEVWRSyYSe+31FMax=0X96aYo4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/18/2012 9:24 AM, Karen McTrotsky wrote:

> Missing entirely from present-day accounts is any reference whatever to
> Herald-Traveler Corp.'s considerable political muscle. We never see
> mention  in  reviews of the WHDH affair of the owners of H-T Corp. The
> "Yankee Republican" Boston Herald was owned by the same group of folks who
> owned United Shoe Machinery Corp of Beverly, a Yankee Republican owned
> industrial concern with considerable muscle. The other United States
> Senator at the time was Leverett Saltonstall, Yankee Republican from
> Beverly Farms. Both Kennedy and Saltonstall needed friends in newspapers
> and, to a lesser extent, in the new medium of television as neither had won
> 50 percent of the vote in the elections in the ethnic Democrat vs. Yankee
> Republican senate races of Lodge-Kennedy in '52 or Saltonstall-Furcolo in 56

According to Wikipedia, Saltonstall won 50.5% over Foster Furcolo 49.0% 
in 1954 (not 1956).  In 1952, Kennedy won 51.4% over Henry Cabot Lodge 
48.4.  That looks like narrow wins, but each won more than 60% of the 
votes cast.

In any case, the accounts I've read indicate that Joe Kennedy did much 
to help the H-T get the TV license, and it was more Tip O'Neill, not the 
Kennedys who helped the Globe and worked to take the license away from 
the Herald.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 03:52:55 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 03:52:55 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FE2AAE4.4040408@attorneyross.com>
References: <CAOWx1Lbmk6XNeLf3FUy7bdEVWRSyYSe+31FMax=0X96aYo4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
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The Herald 'helped' Joe Kennedy by giving their support to 'Profiles in
Courage' winning the Pulitzer. Joe in gratitude made some phone calls in
the H-T's favor.

The Herald even supported JFK in both 1958 (Senate) and 1960 (President)
but then with the license in hand considered the debt was paid.

The real problems began in 1961 when Teddy decided to run for Senator (
1962 election ) The Herald started a vicious smear campaign against Teddy
in late 1961 and there were factions in the family that believe that Joe's
stroke in December of 1961 was caused in part at his anger towards the H-T.




On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:02 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

> On 6/18/2012 9:24 AM, Karen McTrotsky wrote:
>
>  Missing entirely from present-day accounts is any reference whatever to
>> Herald-Traveler Corp.'s considerable political muscle. We never see
>> mention  in  reviews of the WHDH affair of the owners of H-T Corp. The
>> "Yankee Republican" Boston Herald was owned by the same group of folks who
>> owned United Shoe Machinery Corp of Beverly, a Yankee Republican owned
>> industrial concern with considerable muscle. The other United States
>> Senator at the time was Leverett Saltonstall, Yankee Republican from
>> Beverly Farms. Both Kennedy and Saltonstall needed friends in newspapers
>> and, to a lesser extent, in the new medium of television as neither had
>> won
>> 50 percent of the vote in the elections in the ethnic Democrat vs. Yankee
>> Republican senate races of Lodge-Kennedy in '52 or Saltonstall-Furcolo in
>> 56
>>
>
> According to Wikipedia, Saltonstall won 50.5% over Foster Furcolo 49.0% in
> 1954 (not 1956).  In 1952, Kennedy won 51.4% over Henry Cabot Lodge 48.4.
>  That looks like narrow wins, but each won more than 60% of the votes cast.
>
> In any case, the accounts I've read indicate that Joe Kennedy did much to
> help the H-T get the TV license, and it was more Tip O'Neill, not the
> Kennedys who helped the Globe and worked to take the license away from the
> Herald.
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>
>
>

From irw@well.com  Thu Jun 21 13:45:37 2012
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BBC's Mark Thompson in talks to head New York Times
In-Reply-To: <1846216588.2412.1340300718642.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
Message-ID: <223458232.2414.1340300737392.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

This may interest some?

BBC's Mark Thompson in talks to head New York Times
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/21/bbc-mark-thompson-new-york-times


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Jun 21 14:46:06 2012
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:46:06 -0400
Subject: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus
Message-ID: <20120621184607.303660@gmx.com>

ESPN, Fox Sports, Yahoo! Sports Radio, NBC Sports Radio--is that enough? No, as CBS and Cumulus will launch CBS Sports Radio next January to compete against them, with updates to start in September. CBS-owned sports stations in places like New York and Chicago will contribute programming. Format changes coming for some CBS
 (talk outlets in Detroit and Houston) and Cumulus (in 26 markets) stations.

http://www.cbsradio.com/single-press/1811 

 Satisfied yet, sports fans?

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 15:00:27 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:00:27 -0400
Subject: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus
In-Reply-To: <20120621184607.303660@gmx.com>
References: <20120621184607.303660@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOJYs98iO0+18SNCXAPhdKe4GwZDZwcmY9sYjms25tWoA@mail.gmail.com>

This should finally kill off SNR/Yahoo for good as the only major outlets
they have are WSCR Chicago and WXYT Detroit (both CBS owned).

http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/affiliates/





On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:

> ESPN, Fox Sports, Yahoo! Sports Radio, NBC Sports Radio--is that enough?
> No, as CBS and Cumulus will launch CBS Sports Radio next January to compete
> against them, with updates to start in September. CBS-owned sports stations
> in places like New York and Chicago will contribute programming. Format
> changes coming for some CBS
>  (talk outlets in Detroit and Houston) and Cumulus (in 26 markets)
> stations.
>
> http://www.cbsradio.com/single-press/1811
>
>  Satisfied yet, sports fans?
>

From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jun 21 15:15:53 2012
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:15:53 -0400
Subject: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus
Message-ID: <20120621191554.193060@gmx.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kevin Vahey
>Sent: 06/21/12 03:00 PM
>To: Bob Nelson
>Subject: Re: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus

 >This should finally kill off SNR/Yahoo for good as the only major outlets >they have are WSCR Chicago and WXYT Detroit (both CBS owned). 
 I know that the new and, um, "improved" WWZN-AM 1510 still inserts some Sporting News Radio programming
 into some weekend hours when they don't otherwise have Red Sox in Spanish, or some paid hours to run. If
 SNR went away, would WWZN be a possible outlet? CBS may have WBZ-FM, but Cumulus is absent hereabouts
 and may be looking for outlets on its own.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jun 21 17:23:27 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:23:27 -0400
Subject: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus
In-Reply-To: <20120621191554.193060@gmx.com>
References: <20120621191554.193060@gmx.com>
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On 6/21/2012 3:15 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> I know that the new and, um, "improved" WWZN-AM 1510 still inserts 
> some Sporting News Radio programming into some weekend hours when they 
> don't otherwise have Red Sox in Spanish, or some paid hours to run. If 
> SNR went away, would WWZN be a possible outlet? CBS may have WBZ-FM, 
> but Cumulus is absent hereabouts and may be looking for outlets on its 
> own. 

Would CBS allow a CBS Sports outlet competing with WBZ-FM?  On the other 
hand, would they be able to stop them?  Would they carry some of CBS 
sports on WBZ-FM?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From ssmyth@psualum.com  Thu Jun 21 17:20:53 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CBS Sports Radio launched with Cumulus
In-Reply-To: <20120621184607.303660@gmx.com>
References: <20120621184607.303660@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <1340313653.7326.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bob writes:

>ESPN, Fox Sports, Yahoo! Sports Radio, NBC Sports Radio--is that enough? No, as CBS and Cumulus will launch CBS Sports Radio next January to compete against them, with updates to start in September. CBS-owned sports stations in places like New York and Chicago will contribute programming. Format changes coming for some CBS
>(talk outlets in Detroit and Houston) and Cumulus (in 26 markets) stations.
>
>http://www.cbsradio.com/single-press/1811
>
>Satisfied yet, sports fans?


Doesn't Cumulus still handle ESPN Radio sales? Won't it be selling against itself here?


From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jun 21 23:33:58 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:33:58 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FE2AAE4.4040408@attorneyross.com>
References: <CAOWx1Lbmk6XNeLf3FUy7bdEVWRSyYSe+31FMax=0X96aYo4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FE2AAE4.4040408@attorneyross.com>
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On 6/21/2012 1:02 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:

> According to Wikipedia, Saltonstall won 50.5% over Foster Furcolo 
> 49.0% in 1954 (not 1956).  In 1952, Kennedy won 51.4% over Henry Cabot 
> Lodge 48.4.  That looks like narrow wins, but each won more than 60% 
> of the votes cast.

Oops!  That should read "more than 50% of the votes cast."

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From chris2526@comcast.net  Fri Jun 22 00:48:35 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:48:35 -0400
Subject: 40 Years ago - Boston became a two newspaper town
Message-ID: <3FA3D16B880248ABBCFBDD26FD77CBC8@chrisHP>

As a matter of fact there was and is a perfect line of site view from the old WHDH studio site at 50 Morrissey boulevard to the WHDH-TV channel
five tower, I remember and may have pictures of the studios with the small self supporting STL tower next door to the building. If you are driving on the SE expressway either north or south look in the direction of Needham you will see a clear view of the antenna farm. WKLB next door has a clear STL shot
to Needham.
The old WKBG/WLVI studios at 75 Morrissey Blvd were built in a former First National Supermarket (Finast)

From chris2526@comcast.net  Fri Jun 22 02:03:27 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:03:27 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
Message-ID: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>

I was driving down Memorial Drive yesterday when one of my favorite old songs ?Love Shack? by the B-52?s was on one of Boston?s classic hits stations, I could hardly believe my ears.....this fantastic song much like all the great Disco and dance tunes now sound the dregs. They have been through so much digital compression and processing that the original life and texture is now missing. I recall driving Revere Beach with the top down and car loads of kids would be hanging out of cars with Love Shack cranking with them banging on the sides of the car. This song had such life and vibrancy to it, not any more.
I must give major kudos to WBOQ 104.9, if you want to hear music as it sounded originally North Shore 104.9 is the closest thing around and oldies
playlist is far better than anything downtown.

From sids1045@aol.com  Fri Jun 22 07:11:57 2012
From: sids1045@aol.com (sids1045@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:11:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <8CF1E7EF913D3A5-1FC4-6E40@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>

Sorry, but that battle was lost a long time ago.  The music medium of the moment is bit-rate-reduced compressed MP3s listened to through earbuds with a frequency response only slightly wider than an old Bell 500 telephone.  What's worse is that now most radio stations get their music via downloads, and all too often those downloads suffer from the same problem.  The era of "hi-fi" is long gone.



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hall: 
I was driving down Memorial Drive yesterday when one of my favorite old songs 
Love Shack? by the B-52?s was on one of Boston?s classic hits stations, I could 
ardly believe my ears.....this fantastic song much like all the great Disco and 
ance tunes now sound the dregs. They have been through so much digital 
ompression and processing that the original life and texture is now missing. I 
ecall driving Revere Beach with the top down and car loads of kids would be 
anging out of cars with Love Shack cranking with them banging on the sides of 
he car. This song had such life and vibrancy to it, not any more.


From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 22 09:46:18 2012
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
Message-ID: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

>From Wikipedia about the Sox on 5...
"The games were also fed to other TV stations (mainly CBS affiliates) in the New England region."

CBS affil WTIC-TV-3 in Hartford aired weekend games.



From peterwmurray@gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 11:35:17 2012
From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:35:17 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <8CF1E7EF913D3A5-1FC4-6E40@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
	<8CF1E7EF913D3A5-1FC4-6E40@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ8HLP_aAs1S0BD+XHgdAsB_DpXug+e2EqoNcw_D5O1ONzzxow@mail.gmail.com>

No radio station with competent engineering staff regularly originates
audio that is compressed. Audio is stored and played off the computer in
uncompressed form - for a number of reasons. The air chain from playback
system to transmitter can have a number of conversion points, and the use
of various compression techniques can lead to highly distorted audio
because of cascading codecs. MP3 is particularly susceptible to this.

In any case, hi-fi pop music is not going to be found on FM or satellite,
for the most part. If you want to hear uncompressed full-fidelity pop from
yesteryear, you will want to go get your CD's out of that back closet.
Broadcast audio is processed to sound best in the broadest number of places
- including your car, with its high noise floor.

In any case, there is not much uncompressed full-fidelity pop today (even
off a purchased CD), with all of the digital manipulation that happens now.

Hi-fi is not dead - it is just not going to be found on today's broadcast
media. The technical argument could be made that it never was available via
analog broadcast methods, but then we would have to technically define
hi-fi!

-Peter

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:11 AM, <sids1045@aol.com> wrote:

> Sorry, but that battle was lost a long time ago.  The music medium of the
> moment is bit-rate-reduced compressed MP3s listened to through earbuds with
> a frequency response only slightly wider than an old Bell 500 telephone.
>  What's worse is that now most radio stations get their music via
> downloads, and all too often those downloads suffer from the same problem.
>  The era of "hi-fi" is long gone.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hall:
> I was driving down Memorial Drive yesterday when one of my favorite old
> songs
> Love Shack? by the B-52?s was on one of Boston?s classic hits stations, I
> could
> ardly believe my ears.....this fantastic song much like all the great
> Disco and
> ance tunes now sound the dregs. They have been through so much digital
> ompression and processing that the original life and texture is now
> missing. I
> ecall driving Revere Beach with the top down and car loads of kids would be
> anging out of cars with Love Shack cranking with them banging on the sides
> of
> he car. This song had such life and vibrancy to it, not any more.
>
>

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 11:52:58 2012
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1340380378.50256.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

As did WPRO channel 12 in Providence.


________________________________
 From: Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net>
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
 
>From Wikipedia about the Sox on 5...
"The games were also fed to other TV stations (mainly CBS affiliates) in the New England region."

CBS affil WTIC-TV-3 in Hartford aired weekend games.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jun 22 19:01:55 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:01:55 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <8CF1E7EF913D3A5-1FC4-6E40@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
	<8CF1E7EF913D3A5-1FC4-6E40@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4FE4F963.7050808@attorneyross.com>

On 6/22/2012 7:11 AM, sids1045@aol.com wrote:

> Sorry, but that battle was lost a long time ago.  The music medium of the moment is bit-rate-reduced compressed MP3s listened to through earbuds with a frequency response only slightly wider than an old Bell 500 telephone.  What's worse is that now most radio stations get their music via downloads, and all too often those downloads suffer from the same problem.  The era of "hi-fi" is long gone.

Maybe that's part of why classical music can't be done on commercial 
radio any more.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From paulranderson@charter.net  Fri Jun 22 20:49:23 2012
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:49:23 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
Message-ID: <DB8E2658-7D55-4E0D-BF76-3EB8EC5D5568@charter.net>

A number of days back, I passed by WERS and heard the song West End Girls by the Pet Shop Boys.  I love that song but it was almost unlistenable.  If you know the song, you know the beginning has some street sound effects with footsteps.  The volume of that quiet part was brought up so much that I could clearly hear the compression bring the beginning of the song down when it started.  I was shocked a college station would do such a thing.

I thought compression technology had improved so much by 2012 that you wouldn't hear the "pumping" that you would hear, especially when Sy Dresner would fool around with the compression on WCCC-FM in the late '70s.

It's too bad that radio is no longer for people who like music.

Paul


On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Chris Hall wrote:

> I was driving down Memorial Drive yesterday when one of my favorite old songs ?Love Shack? by the B-52?s was on one of Boston?s classic hits stations, I could hardly believe my ears.....this fantastic song much like all the great Disco and dance tunes now sound the dregs. They have been through so much digital compression and processing that the original life and texture is now missing. I recall driving Revere Beach with the top down and car loads of kids would be hanging out of cars with Love Shack cranking with them banging on the sides of the car. This song had such life and vibrancy to it, not any more.
> I must give major kudos to WBOQ 104.9, if you want to hear music as it sounded originally North Shore 104.9 is the closest thing around and oldies
> playlist is far better than anything downtown.



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 21:51:37 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:51:37 -0400
Subject: Live Weekend Programming (OT, Sorta)
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg2OQgV8Nst=Mr85f1r7xJZLcZmU-rcERhiaG=rhYXMaXA@mail.gmail.com>

We all lament form time to time about the lack of local and/or live weekend
programming and that sometimes big stations can't be "local" anymore.

I invite you to tune in Saturday morning at 10AM Eastern as I fill in and
host "Swap Shop" on 97.5 The Hound in Ridgway, PA. Our 50KW Signal covers
16 counties in 2 states.

We are live and local 10am to 8pm weekdays and local/partially live 10am to
6pm Saturdays.

Just making a point that there's good local radio out there........ and
that hosting Swap Shop is kinda fun too, LOL :) I am normally the weekday
afternoon host but our weekend host is out.

You can listen online at www.houndcountry.com
The listen live link is in the upper right hand corner of the page. We even
have a LIVE STUDIO CAM link on the upper lefthand corner of the page.

Paul

From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jun 22 23:48:53 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:48:53 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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On 6/22/2012 9:46 AM, Bill Dillane wrote:

> >From Wikipedia about the Sox on 5...
> "The games were also fed to other TV stations (mainly CBS affiliates) in the New England region."
>
> CBS affil WTIC-TV-3 in Hartford aired weekend games.

NBC-affiliated WTIC 1080 also aired Red Sox games.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 23:56:05 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:56:05 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FE53CA5.8040500@attorneyross.com>
References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<4FE53CA5.8040500@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOnOu=O5ujBfgxtBCw93Z1ypiU9w26EBvrMo2+hV02Sug@mail.gmail.com>

We were talking TV

Springfield was channel 22 - as was Burlington VT (also 22)



On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:48 PM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

> On 6/22/2012 9:46 AM, Bill Dillane wrote:
>
>  >From Wikipedia about the Sox on 5...
>> "The games were also fed to other TV stations (mainly CBS affiliates) in
>> the New England region."
>>
>> CBS affil WTIC-TV-3 in Hartford aired weekend games.
>>
>
> NBC-affiliated WTIC 1080 also aired Red Sox games.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jun 23 00:13:02 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:02 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsOnOu=O5ujBfgxtBCw93Z1ypiU9w26EBvrMo2+hV02Sug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<4FE53CA5.8040500@attorneyross.com>
	<CABnTNsOnOu=O5ujBfgxtBCw93Z1ypiU9w26EBvrMo2+hV02Sug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FE5424E.70007@attorneyross.com>

On 6/22/2012 11:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> We were talking TV
>
> Springfield was channel 22 - as was Burlington VT (also 22)

Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's 
Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 00:28:46 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:46 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <4FE5424E.70007@attorneyross.com>
References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<4FE53CA5.8040500@attorneyross.com>
	<CABnTNsOnOu=O5ujBfgxtBCw93Z1ypiU9w26EBvrMo2+hV02Sug@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know....

But the Red Sox were on WWLP with WHDH, then WBZ and finally WSBK.



On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

>  On 6/22/2012 11:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
> We were talking TV
>
>  Springfield was channel 22 - as was Burlington VT (also 22)
>
>
> Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's Channel
> 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jun 22 23:50:31 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:50:31 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <DB8E2658-7D55-4E0D-BF76-3EB8EC5D5568@charter.net>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
	<DB8E2658-7D55-4E0D-BF76-3EB8EC5D5568@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4FE53D07.9000203@attorneyross.com>

On 6/22/2012 8:49 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:

> A number of days back, I passed by WERS and heard the song West End Girls by the Pet Shop Boys.  I love that song but it was almost unlistenable.  If you know the song, you know the beginning has some street sound effects with footsteps.  The volume of that quiet part was brought up so much that I could clearly hear the compression bring the beginning of the song down when it started.  I was shocked a college station would do such a thing.
>
> I thought compression technology had improved so much by 2012 that you wouldn't hear the "pumping" that you would hear, especially when Sy Dresner would fool around with the compression on WCCC-FM in the late '70s.

WERS technical equipment may be as old as the late 70s, for all we know.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Jun 23 00:58:39 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:58:39 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
In-Reply-To: <4FE53D07.9000203@attorneyross.com>
References: <F3D4B818979C493DB4CB6FF8952CB05D@chrisHP>
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	<4FE53D07.9000203@attorneyross.com>
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<<On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:50:31 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> WERS technical equipment may be as old as the late 70s, for all we know.

Actually, we do in fact know that it is not.

-GAWollman

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Jun 23 01:01:15 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:01:15 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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References: <1340372778.90551.YahooMailClassic@web181716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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<<On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:02 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 6/22/2012 11:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> We were talking TV
>> 
>> Springfield was channel 22 - as was Burlington VT (also 22)

> Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's 
> Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?

Probably for local advertising sales.  Springfield being a smaller
market, local advertisers would not want to pay more for a signal that
primarily serves a state they don't.

-GAWollman

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jun 23 01:08:17 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:08:17 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
In-Reply-To: <20453.19867.888090.942764@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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	<4FE53CA5.8040500@attorneyross.com>
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	<20453.19867.888090.942764@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 6/23/2012 1:01 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

>> Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's
>> Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?
> Probably for local advertising sales.  Springfield being a smaller
> market, local advertisers would not want to pay more for a signal that
> primarily serves a state they don't.

OK, but why would anyone want to watch them on Channel 22 when Channel 3 
had a better signal over most of Channel 22's coverage area?

One thing that might make it more worthwhile is if WRLP (channel 32 I 
think) was in operation at that time and also carried the games (22 and 
32 didn't always have the same programs, though the usually did).

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know what the call letters 
WWLP and WRLP stood for?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 01:10:55 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:10:55 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Also Putnam (WWLP) had a relationship with WSBK and whatever station had
the Red Sox as Channel 32 in Greenfield took any Boston game.

Even when 32 pulled the plug, Putnam put a LPTV on the air to carry the
games on cable

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:02 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
> said:
>
> > On 6/22/2012 11:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> >> We were talking TV
> >>
> >> Springfield was channel 22 - as was Burlington VT (also 22)
>
> > Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's
> > Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?
>
> Probably for local advertising sales.  Springfield being a smaller
> market, local advertisers would not want to pay more for a signal that
> primarily serves a state they don't.
>
> -GAWollman
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 01:13:07 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:13:07 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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WWLP was William Putnam   WRLP was Roger Putnam (brother)

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:08 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

>
> And while we're on the subject, does anyone know what the call letters
> WWLP and WRLP stood for?
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>
>
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 01:13:29 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:13:29 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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WWLP stood for the owner, William Putnam.

When I lived in Cromwell, CT.. I watched WWLP almost exclusively. I was
even a 22NEWS Weather Watcher. (I did watch WVIT a bit too)


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:08 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:

> On 6/23/2012 1:01 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>  Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's
>>> Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?
>>>
>> Probably for local advertising sales.  Springfield being a smaller
>> market, local advertisers would not want to pay more for a signal that
>> primarily serves a state they don't.
>>
>
> OK, but why would anyone want to watch them on Channel 22 when Channel 3
> had a better signal over most of Channel 22's coverage area?
>
> One thing that might make it more worthwhile is if WRLP (channel 32 I
> think) was in operation at that time and also carried the games (22 and 32
> didn't always have the same programs, though the usually did).
>
> And while we're on the subject, does anyone know what the call letters
> WWLP and WRLP stood for?
>
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com<http://www.attorneyross.com>
>
>
>
>

From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 23 12:39:48 2012
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
Message-ID: <1340469588.25029.YahooMailClassic@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

William Putnam and his wife, Kitty Broman, are intervied in an article today at masslive.com. Story includes a link to pictures in their book, How We Survived in UHF Television.
?
WWLP Channel 22 pioneers Bill Putnam, Kitty Broman recall golden age of television
By Patricia Cahill, The (Springfield) Republican
http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/wwlp_channel_22_pioneers_bill.html
?

From seth@upsidemedia.com  Fri Jun 22 02:25:13 2012
From: seth@upsidemedia.com (Seth)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:25:13 -0400
Subject: Over digitalized and processed music
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That's my gripe with sirius/xm radio, especially. Sadly, when I complain 
to friends who have it, they think it sounds just fine - even ones who 
grew up in an analog world as I did. When I hear FM sound like XM, I get 
really upset, too.

The demand for sound quality just isn't there anymore. My students don't 
even understand the difference between a 96kbps mp3 and a 320kbps.. or 
even PCM (Redbook CD). This lack of interest or care is one half of why 
SACD and DVD-A failed. The other half is the industry's fault.

I think I'll use my turntable tomorrow.

-Seth

On 6/22/2012 2:03 AM, Chris Hall wrote:
> I was driving down Memorial Drive yesterday when one of my favorite old songs ?Love Shack? by the B-52?s was on one of Boston?s classic hits stations, I could hardly believe my ears.....this fantastic song much like all the great Disco and dance tunes now sound the dregs. They have been through so much digital compression and processing that the original life and texture is now missing. I recall driving Revere Beach with the top down and car loads of kids would be hanging out of cars with Love Shack cranking with them banging on the sides of the car. This song had such life and vibrancy to it, not any more.
> I must give major kudos to WBOQ 104.9, if you want to hear music as it sounded originally North Shore 104.9 is the closest thing around and oldies
> playlist is far better than anything downtown.
>



From jimduffy75@gmail.com  Fri Jun 22 13:40:10 2012
From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:40:10 -0400
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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Lance Venta has the full CBS press release up at radioinsight.com and
WBZ-FM is definitely mentioned as one of the stations that will use
programming elements of the new network.  I think its safe to assume
that means overnights and weekend evenings will be filled with the new
network and Fox Sports Radio will be in search of a new home again.
That brings us to recent developments with Clear channel and a new
possibility for speculation.  Does CC install FSR, which essentially
is their in-house offering, on 101.7 or 1200?  If that happens, do
they pull the plug on their current agreement with 'BZ-FM next month?
The CBS ppress relaese also indicates full 24 hour clearance on the
AM's in Tampa, Detroit and Philli where they just moved the local
sports programming to FM.  Is it time for WEEI to put ESPN full time
on 850 or perhaps the new NBC Sports network that dial Global is
starting?  Dial Global is formerly WW1 and still has the NFL radio
rights.  'EEI/Entercom could easily turn around and clear their sports
network 24-7 in exchange for securing the play-by-play package for a
long time to come.  Is Kraft still thinking of buying 1510 and leasing
it to ESPN 24-7?  As much as the consollidators are desperate for
cheap in-house programming, I just do not see how 5 national radio
sports networks survive.  Either Yahoo/SNR realizes its slow, painful
death, or NBC/Dial Global may have to scale back their expansion
plans.

From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 08:09:33 2012
From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:09:33 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Barrister Ross cites Wikipedia for the date of Leverett Saltonstall's
reelection as U.S. Senator and for the proposition that he received a
majority of ballots cast at the election.

I was wrong on the date; Wikipedia is wrong on the result.

Yes, Saltonstall was reelected in 1954 rather than 1956. However, he
received 49.25695 percent of the total number of  votes cast. The hearsay
reflected by Wikipedia is incorrect. The only way to get to Wikipedia's
calculation is to ignore 21 write-in votes   49,361 blanks.   See:  Manual
of the General Court available at internet.org

My original point remains, which is the revisionist retelling of the
WHDH-TV license story based on scraps of secondary information concerning
the Globe and the Kennedy family is incomplete without understanding the
political landscape of the time. Simply put, it was the era of the last
stand of the Yankee Republicans against ethnic Democrats as evidenced by
the very close Kennedy-Lodge and Saltonstall-Furcolo elections. There was
no business more aligned with the Yankee culture than The Shoe, whose
principals and allies had big stakes in Herald-Traveler Corp., and no
larger Yankee political figure than Saltonstall. It is hard to fathom that
he sat by while Kennedys and the Globe exercised muscle in a regulatory
battle before the Eisenhower dominated FCC and Federal Circuit since the
battle had profound influence on the survival of the Republican newspaper
of record.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 15:54:40 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:54:40 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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Leverett Saltonstall I suspect tried to distance himself from the whole H-T
mess because at the same time Eisenhower's Chief of Staff Sherman Adams was
found to be accepting gifts from a Boston based textile manufacturer and it
turned out Adams was close to the H-T.

One thing is clear - the Kennedy's would not campaign against Saltonstall.
Election eve in 1960 the Kennedy's would not even let Thomas O'Connor who
was running against Saltonstall on the stage at Boston Garden.

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Karen McTrotsky <karenmctrotsky@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Barrister Ross cites Wikipedia for the date of Leverett Saltonstall's
> reelection as U.S. Senator and for the proposition that he received a
> majority of ballots cast at the election.
>
> I was wrong on the date; Wikipedia is wrong on the result.
>
> Yes, Saltonstall was reelected in 1954 rather than 1956. However, he
> received 49.25695 percent of the total number of  votes cast. The hearsay
> reflected by Wikipedia is incorrect. The only way to get to Wikipedia's
> calculation is to ignore 21 write-in votes   49,361 blanks.   See:  Manual
> of the General Court available at internet.org
>
> My original point remains, which is the revisionist retelling of the
> WHDH-TV license story based on scraps of secondary information concerning
> the Globe and the Kennedy family is incomplete without understanding the
> political landscape of the time. Simply put, it was the era of the last
> stand of the Yankee Republicans against ethnic Democrats as evidenced by
> the very close Kennedy-Lodge and Saltonstall-Furcolo elections. There was
> no business more aligned with the Yankee culture than The Shoe, whose
> principals and allies had big stakes in Herald-Traveler Corp., and no
> larger Yankee political figure than Saltonstall. It is hard to fathom that
> he sat by while Kennedys and the Globe exercised muscle in a regulatory
> battle before the Eisenhower dominated FCC and Federal Circuit since the
> battle had profound influence on the survival of the Republican newspaper
> of record.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Jun 23 15:33:18 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:33:18 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On Jun 23, 2012, at 1:08 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:

> On 6/23/2012 1:01 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> 
>>> Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's
>>> Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?
>> Probably for local advertising sales.  Springfield being a smaller
>> market, local advertisers would not want to pay more for a signal that
>> primarily serves a state they don't.
> 
> OK, but why would anyone want to watch them on Channel 22 when Channel 3 had a better signal over most of Channel 22's coverage area?

Possibly channel 22 was willing to pay more than channel 3 for the rights.  Ya gotta look at this from a business angle.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From m_carney@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 16:02:09 2012
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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Thanks - I did not know about this book. Just ordered it from Amazon.

Maureen


________________________________
 From: Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net>
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
 
William Putnam and his wife, Kitty Broman, are intervied in an article today at masslive.com. Story includes a link to pictures in their book, How We Survived in UHF Television.
?
WWLP Channel 22 pioneers Bill Putnam, Kitty Broman recall golden age of television
By Patricia Cahill, The (Springfield) Republican
http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/wwlp_channel_22_pioneers_bill.html

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 17:24:24 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:24:24 -0400
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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As of now I would think WEEI would continue to simulcast on 850 for
ratings reasons but interesting ideas. The talk shows, etc. aren't
till January (sports updates begin in Sept.)


> That brings us to recent developments with Clear channel and a new
> possibility for speculation. ?Does CC install FSR, which essentially
> is their in-house offering, on 101.7 or 1200?

Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
talk on both? Would they dare
run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
station in Boston) on the AM maybe?

 ?'EEI/Entercom could easily turn around and clear their sports
> network 24-7 in exchange for securing the play-by-play package for a
> long time to come. ?Is Kraft still thinking of buying 1510 and leasing
> it to ESPN 24-7? ?As much as the consollidators are desperate for
> cheap in-house programming, I just do not see how 5 national radio
> sports networks survive.

All interesting points. Would ESPN want the 1510 (they do have
93.7/850 overnights...
1510 would be a bit of a letdown from that, unless it ran on all of
them...) The World
Series on...1510 (only)??!? I can't see it.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 17:48:34 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:48:34 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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I am stunned that he is still alive.

The old Channel 22 studios were different. How many stations had a staff
swimming pool?

The lobby was surreal as on the walls were the heads of different animals
that Putman had shot.

>From all accounts he was a good owner.

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks - I did not know about this book. Just ordered it from Amazon.
>
> Maureen
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Bill Dillane <dillane@sbcglobal.net>
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:39 PM
> Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
>
> William Putnam and his wife, Kitty Broman, are intervied in an article
> today at masslive.com. Story includes a link to pictures in their book,
> How We Survived in UHF Television.
>
> WWLP Channel 22 pioneers Bill Putnam, Kitty Broman recall golden age of
> television
> By Patricia Cahill, The (Springfield) Republican
>
> http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/wwlp_channel_22_pioneers_bill.html
>

From jimduffy75@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 18:07:20 2012
From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:07:20 -0400
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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I appreciate your insight very much.

"Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
talk on both? Would they dare
run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
station in Boston) on the AM maybe?"

Before these two new sports networks were announced, I thought it wouldn't
be that far fetched for CC to program a more adult leaning urban format
similar to WDAS in Philli.  WILD on 97.7 still got more of a 12+ rating than
WFNX, all be it in the diary days and 97.7 did not have the strongest signal
in WILD's target neighborhoods.  My thinking was based on the fact that the
101.7 facilities signal is a little easier to hear in WILD's original target
neighborhoods than that of 97.7's.  Harping on the premise of CC being a
cheap consollidater; They could easily get away with running Tom Joiner in
the morning, Michael Baisden in the afternoon and perhaps one local
personality in either mid day or evenings.  Throw in some additional public
affairs/news programming targeting the "urban" audience and they would be
serving the community 10 times as much as  Jam'n does now.  I believe Gwen
Blackburn still does the Minority Counter Point show for Kiss108 on Sunday
mornings so they could easily tap her as a resource.  I know the argument
will persist that advertisers will not be there, but I am not quite ready to
believe that Boston cannot sustain one full time radio outlet that provides
service to the black community.  On the other hand, CC was already burned by
failure when they tried Rumba on FM in Philli and that was with a
full-market facility.
"Would ESPN want the 1510"
They not only pulled the plug on EEI four months before 890 went on the air,
they lived with 890 for four years.  I was privileged enough to have a
conversation with an ESPN employee during that four years who told me the
network was strongly considering buying 890 outright.  In myopinion, for all
its weeknesses, the 1510 signal is extremely superior to 890 and 1400
combined.  
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:24 PM
To: James Duffy
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston

As of now I would think WEEI would continue to simulcast on 850 for
ratings reasons but interesting ideas. The talk shows, etc. aren't
till January (sports updates begin in Sept.)


> That brings us to recent developments with Clear channel and a new
> possibility for speculation. ?Does CC install FSR, which essentially
> is their in-house offering, on 101.7 or 1200?

Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
talk on both? Would they dare
run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
station in Boston) on the AM maybe?

 ?'EEI/Entercom could easily turn around and clear their sports
> network 24-7 in exchange for securing the play-by-play package for a
> long time to come. ?Is Kraft still thinking of buying 1510 and leasing
> it to ESPN 24-7? ?As much as the consollidators are desperate for
> cheap in-house programming, I just do not see how 5 national radio
> sports networks survive.

All interesting points. Would ESPN want the 1510 (they do have
93.7/850 overnights...
1510 would be a bit of a letdown from that, unless it ran on all of
them...) The World
Series on...1510 (only)??!? I can't see it.



From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 18:26:04 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0400
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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Once CBS starts full time service I can not see WBZ-FM keeping FOX Sports.

I would expect CBS to at least sniff at J.T the Brick and if so J.T. will
listen as he values Boston.

Personally I think CBS will kill off what is left of Yahoo Sports (The
former Sporting News Radio) and NBC made reconsider their launch.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM, James Duffy <jimduffy75@gmail.com> wrote:

> I appreciate your insight very much.
>
> "Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
> cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
> talk on both? Would they dare
> run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
> station in Boston) on the AM maybe?"
>
> Before these two new sports networks were announced, I thought it wouldn't
> be that far fetched for CC to program a more adult leaning urban format
> similar to WDAS in Philli.  WILD on 97.7 still got more of a 12+ rating
> than
> WFNX, all be it in the diary days and 97.7 did not have the strongest
> signal
> in WILD's target neighborhoods.  My thinking was based on the fact that the
> 101.7 facilities signal is a little easier to hear in WILD's original
> target
> neighborhoods than that of 97.7's.  Harping on the premise of CC being a
> cheap consollidater; They could easily get away with running Tom Joiner in
> the morning, Michael Baisden in the afternoon and perhaps one local
> personality in either mid day or evenings.  Throw in some additional public
> affairs/news programming targeting the "urban" audience and they would be
> serving the community 10 times as much as  Jam'n does now.  I believe Gwen
> Blackburn still does the Minority Counter Point show for Kiss108 on Sunday
> mornings so they could easily tap her as a resource.  I know the argument
> will persist that advertisers will not be there, but I am not quite ready
> to
> believe that Boston cannot sustain one full time radio outlet that provides
> service to the black community.  On the other hand, CC was already burned
> by
> failure when they tried Rumba on FM in Philli and that was with a
> full-market facility.
> "Would ESPN want the 1510"
> They not only pulled the plug on EEI four months before 890 went on the
> air,
> they lived with 890 for four years.  I was privileged enough to have a
> conversation with an ESPN employee during that four years who told me the
> network was strongly considering buying 890 outright.  In myopinion, for
> all
> its weeknesses, the 1510 signal is extremely superior to 890 and 1400
> combined.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:24 PM
> To: James Duffy
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
>
> As of now I would think WEEI would continue to simulcast on 850 for
> ratings reasons but interesting ideas. The talk shows, etc. aren't
> till January (sports updates begin in Sept.)
>
>
> > That brings us to recent developments with Clear channel and a new
> > possibility for speculation.  Does CC install FSR, which essentially
> > is their in-house offering, on 101.7 or 1200?
>
> Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
> cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
> talk on both? Would they dare
> run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
> station in Boston) on the AM maybe?
>
>   'EEI/Entercom could easily turn around and clear their sports
> > network 24-7 in exchange for securing the play-by-play package for a
> > long time to come.  Is Kraft still thinking of buying 1510 and leasing
> > it to ESPN 24-7?  As much as the consollidators are desperate for
> > cheap in-house programming, I just do not see how 5 national radio
> > sports networks survive.
>
> All interesting points. Would ESPN want the 1510 (they do have
> 93.7/850 overnights...
> 1510 would be a bit of a letdown from that, unless it ran on all of
> them...) The World
> Series on...1510 (only)??!? I can't see it.
>
>
>

From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Sat Jun 23 18:47:37 2012
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:47:37 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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At 05:48 PM 6/23/2012, Kevin Vahey wrote:

>The old Channel 22 studios were different. How many stations had a staff
>swimming pool?

IIRC the road going up Provin Mountain had built-in deicing so it did not have to be plowed or salted in the winter. Mind you, it has been over 30 years since I was last there.

Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sat Jun 23 18:55:37 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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Kevin wrote:
> Once CBS starts full time service I can not see WBZ-FM keeping FOX Sports.
> 
> I would expect CBS to at least sniff at J.T the Brick and if so J.T. will
> listen as he values Boston.
> 
> Personally I think CBS will kill off what is left of Yahoo Sports (The
> former Sporting News Radio) and NBC made reconsider their launch.


Boston is J.T.'s biggest market. I'd be very surprised if 98.5 totally dumped Fox Sports for that reason.

Also would have to think CBS Radio Sports would make a run at Jim Rome.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 20:10:19 2012
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:10:19 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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Dale:

Back when I was in middle school living in Cromwell, CT I toured Channel 22
on Provin Mountain to visit the afternoon/evening weather guy at the time,
I forget his name though. Evan something...

It happened to be on a bad winter day. They had a station truck at the
bototm of the mountain to take people up if they wanted and since the road
was so narrow and weather was iffy,  we had to wait for someone coming down
before we could go up. it was slow going at that.

I don't think there was any deicing equipment there, and this was in the
late 90s.

Paul Walker


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Dale H. Cook
<radiotest@plymouthcolony.net>wrote:

> At 05:48 PM 6/23/2012, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
> >The old Channel 22 studios were different. How many stations had a staff
> >swimming pool?
>
> IIRC the road going up Provin Mountain had built-in deicing so it did not
> have to be plowed or salted in the winter. Mind you, it has been over 30
> years since I was last there.
>
> Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting,
> Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
> http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html
>
>

From jimduffy75@gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 20:47:19 2012
From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:47:19 -0400
Subject: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston
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I would agree with you on that point if NBC/Comcast has any way to back out
of the deal with their cindicater Dial Global.  If they cannot, it is worth
emphasizing a point I made in my original post;

Dial Global is the current national radio rights holder for The NCAA
basketball tournament, The NHL allstar game-Stanley Cup, The olympics and
most importantly, The NFL Sunday night/Monday Night football and
Playoff/Superbowl package.  I believe Dial Global has a significant
interest, or owns outright Compass Media Networks, which has individual
agreements with several NFL teams to distribute their radio broadcasts
nationally.  In the short term, this gives Dial Global the ability to twist
arms when it comes to clearacnce in markets they believe are vital.  I can
invision certain markets where affiliates are juggling at least two of the
existing sports networks like the original WEEI at 590 did with ESPN, Ron
Barr's Sports Byline and Yahoo/SNR, formerly known as One-on-One Sports and
way back when as Sports Entertainment Network.

The plan announced last week for the New NBC Sports Radio Network had them
launching two talk shows from 7pm to 1am early in 2013.  I could see a
sinario in which WEEI clears ESPN full time on 850 and clears the NBC shows
on a delayed basis over 93.7 in Boston and most likely the O and O stations
in Providence, Worcester and Springfield.

As a traffic manager once explained to me;

All a national network needs is to say they have an affiliate in a key city
in order to sell advertisers on buying spots.

From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:26 PM
To: James Duffy
Cc: Bob Nelson; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston

 

Once CBS starts full time service I can not see WBZ-FM keeping FOX Sports.

 

I would expect CBS to at least sniff at J.T the Brick and if so J.T. will
listen as he values Boston. 

 

Personally I think CBS will kill off what is left of Yahoo Sports (The
former Sporting News Radio) and NBC made reconsider their launch. 

 

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM, James Duffy <jimduffy75@gmail.com> wrote:

I appreciate your insight very much.


"Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
talk on both? Would they dare
run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
station in Boston) on the AM maybe?"

Before these two new sports networks were announced, I thought it wouldn't
be that far fetched for CC to program a more adult leaning urban format
similar to WDAS in Philli.  WILD on 97.7 still got more of a 12+ rating than
WFNX, all be it in the diary days and 97.7 did not have the strongest signal
in WILD's target neighborhoods.  My thinking was based on the fact that the
101.7 facilities signal is a little easier to hear in WILD's original target
neighborhoods than that of 97.7's.  Harping on the premise of CC being a
cheap consollidater; They could easily get away with running Tom Joiner in
the morning, Michael Baisden in the afternoon and perhaps one local
personality in either mid day or evenings.  Throw in some additional public
affairs/news programming targeting the "urban" audience and they would be
serving the community 10 times as much as  Jam'n does now.  I believe Gwen
Blackburn still does the Minority Counter Point show for Kiss108 on Sunday
mornings so they could easily tap her as a resource.  I know the argument
will persist that advertisers will not be there, but I am not quite ready to
believe that Boston cannot sustain one full time radio outlet that provides
service to the black community.  On the other hand, CC was already burned by
failure when they tried Rumba on FM in Philli and that was with a
full-market facility.

"Would ESPN want the 1510"

They not only pulled the plug on EEI four months before 890 went on the air,
they lived with 890 for four years.  I was privileged enough to have a
conversation with an ESPN employee during that four years who told me the
network was strongly considering buying 890 outright.  In myopinion, for all
its weeknesses, the 1510 signal is extremely superior to 890 and 1400
combined.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:24 PM
To: James Duffy
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: How the New CBS Sports Radio affects Boston

As of now I would think WEEI would continue to simulcast on 850 for
ratings reasons but interesting ideas. The talk shows, etc. aren't
till January (sports updates begin in Sept.)


> That brings us to recent developments with Clear channel and a new
> possibility for speculation.  Does CC install FSR, which essentially
> is their in-house offering, on 101.7 or 1200?

Some say Spanish on 101.7, some say conservative talk. Would they do
cons talk on 101.7 and Fox Sports on 1200? Or would they keep cons.
talk on both? Would they dare
run prog. talk (Ed Schultz supposedly says he will wind up on a bigger
station in Boston) on the AM maybe?

  'EEI/Entercom could easily turn around and clear their sports
> network 24-7 in exchange for securing the play-by-play package for a
> long time to come.  Is Kraft still thinking of buying 1510 and leasing
> it to ESPN 24-7?  As much as the consollidators are desperate for
> cheap in-house programming, I just do not see how 5 national radio
> sports networks survive.

All interesting points. Would ESPN want the 1510 (they do have
93.7/850 overnights...
1510 would be a bit of a letdown from that, unless it ran on all of
them...) The World
Series on...1510 (only)??!? I can't see it.



 


From paulranderson@charter.net  Sat Jun 23 22:58:26 2012
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:58:26 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:13 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote:

> Why were the Red Sox on channel 22 in Springfield when Hartford's Channel 3 reaches all the way up the Pioneer Valley?

I don't know when Channel 3 carried the Red Sox, but they did not carry them by 1968 when I moved to Connecticut.  Channel 22 had them then, and for years after.

In 1968, the Red Sox were on Channel 8.  I don't know for how many years they had the Sox.  They changed to the Mets in 1970.  Channel 40 carried the Mets for a while too.

So I don't know if Channels 3 and 22 carried the Red Sox at the same time.  I doubt it.

Paul



From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Jun 24 00:26:41 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:26:41 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sherwood-tarlow-woody&pid=156488918


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:

> I was just doing some research on a couple of Boston stations, and came
> upon a name I hadn't thought about for a while-- Sherwood "Woody" Tarlow,
> who owned the old WHIL for a while (and also WARE, if I am recalling
> correctly).  I believe he died earlier this year-- in February-- but I
> don't recall seeing an obit anywhere.  Controversial guy-- accused of
> corruption and conflict of interest, got a judgeship basically for being a
> friend of the governor, etc.  But I would have expected somebody to run an
> obit.  Did I miss it?
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Jun 23 23:57:29 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:57:29 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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I was just doing some research on a couple of Boston stations, and came 
upon a name I hadn't thought about for a while-- Sherwood "Woody" 
Tarlow, who owned the old WHIL for a while (and also WARE, if I am 
recalling correctly).  I believe he died earlier this year-- in 
February-- but I don't recall seeing an obit anywhere.  Controversial 
guy-- accused of corruption and conflict of interest, got a judgeship 
basically for being a friend of the governor, etc.  But I would have 
expected somebody to run an obit.  Did I miss it?

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Jun 24 00:29:33 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:29:33 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/24/2012 12:26 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sherwood-tarlow-woody&pid=156488918 
> <http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sherwood-tarlow-woody&pid=156488918> 
>

Not sure this ran in the Globe itself-- written very much like a 
tribute, rather than like an assessment of his career.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jun 24 01:10:30 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:10:30 -0400
Subject: 40 years ago - Boston became a 2 newspaper town
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On 6/23/2012 8:09 AM, Karen McTrotsky wrote:

> Yes, Saltonstall was reelected in 1954 rather than 1956. However, he
> received 49.25695 percent of the total number of  votes cast. The hearsay
> reflected by Wikipedia is incorrect. The only way to get to Wikipedia's
> calculation is to ignore 21 write-in votes   49,361 blanks.   See:  Manual
> of the General Court available at internet.org

I've just spent a little time at internet.org, and I was unable to find 
any manual of the General Court for that year.  If you can give me a 
specific link, I'll be happy to look at it, but I'm not going to spend 
any more time searching for a needle in a haystack.

The correct way to count votes is to discount blank votes.  They are 
like abstentions in a deliberative body, which are counted in numbers, 
but are not counted in determining whether a motion passes.

> My original point remains, which is the revisionist retelling of the
> WHDH-TV license story based on scraps of secondary information concerning
> the Globe and the Kennedy family is incomplete without understanding the
> political landscape of the time. Simply put, it was the era of the last
> stand of the Yankee Republicans against ethnic Democrats as evidenced by
> the very close Kennedy-Lodge and Saltonstall-Furcolo elections. There was
> no business more aligned with the Yankee culture than The Shoe, whose
> principals and allies had big stakes in Herald-Traveler Corp., and no
> larger Yankee political figure than Saltonstall. It is hard to fathom that
> he sat by while Kennedys and the Globe exercised muscle in a regulatory
> battle before the Eisenhower dominated FCC and Federal Circuit since the
> battle had profound influence on the survival of the Republican newspaper
> of record.

I don't know what revisionists you are referring to.  The Phoenix 
article, to which I gave the link several days ago barely mentions the 
Kennedys other than Joe Kennedy's help given to the Herald in getting 
the channel 5 license in the first place.  The rest, according to this 
account, was largely due to Tip O'Neill.

I've never seen any account of Saltonstall's involvement either way.  
While he was a Yankee, he was less hostile to ethnic Democrats than 
others.  I once read a story (and unfortunately I don't remember where) 
to the effect that when Saltonstall was running for governor for the 
first time in 1938, the Globe said that Saltonstall had a Back Bay name, 
but a South Boston face.  His opponent, James Michael Curley, said that 
Saltonstall may have a South Boston face, but he would never show it in 
South Boston.  The next day Saltonstall was on the streets in South 
Boston, declaring that he was proud of his South Boston face.  He won 
that election.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jun 24 01:15:53 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:15:53 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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On 6/23/2012 12:39 PM, Bill Dillane wrote:

> William Putnam and his wife, Kitty Broman, are intervied in an article today at masslive.com. Story includes a link to pictures in their book, How We Survived in UHF Television.
>   
> WWLP Channel 22 pioneers Bill Putnam, Kitty Broman recall golden age of television
> By Patricia Cahill, The (Springfield) Republican
> http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/wwlp_channel_22_pioneers_bill.html

That's interesting.  I didn't know that Putnam is the current trustee of 
the Lowell Observatory, where Pluto was discovered.

-- 
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jun 24 01:20:07 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:20:07 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
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On 6/23/2012 5:48 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> I am stunned that he is still alive.
>
> The old Channel 22 studios were different. How many stations had a staff
> swimming pool?
>
> The lobby was surreal as on the walls were the heads of different animals
> that Putman had shot.
>
> >From all accounts he was a good owner.

I liked John Quill, the weatherman.  He didn't look like the usual 
blow-dried, hair dyed, made-up weatherman that we see today and tended 
to see back then.  He was bald, grey-haired, and wore glasses.  In 
short, he looked normal.

-- 
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From chris2526@comcast.net  Sun Jun 24 01:51:18 2012
From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:51:18 -0400
Subject: How the new CBS sportsradio affects Boston
Message-ID: <DCD1BF8F74A14D76AA2E2F86074BE65B@chrisHP>

Does anyone else think that sports programming on radio and TV is starting to go way overboard, seems to the be typical American obsession to jump on the bandwagon and overdo everything.  If 10 is good 10,000 must be better. It is inevitable for there to be heavy fallout at some point, markets are well on their way to becoming sports saturated. Like the proposed new Professional Football league, some NFL football markets are already hurting. New owners of the Jacksonville Jaguars may have to try to move the team....waning interest.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jun 24 01:28:47 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:28:47 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/24/2012 12:29 AM, Donna Halper wrote:
> On 6/24/2012 12:26 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sherwood-tarlow-woody&pid=156488918 
>> <http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sherwood-tarlow-woody&pid=156488918> 
>>
>
> Not sure this ran in the Globe itself-- written very much like a 
> tribute, rather than like an assessment of his career.

Legacy.com obits run in the Globe and other papers.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Jun 24 02:40:21 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 02:40:21 -0400
Subject: How the new CBS sportsradio affects Boston
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<<On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:51:18 -0400, "Chris Hall" <chris2526@comcast.net> said:

> good 10,000 must be better. It is inevitable for there to be heavy
> fallout at some point, markets are well on their way to becoming
> sports saturated.

I don't see that this is an issue for the radio networks at all, since
they are subject to the ordinary discipline of the marketplace: if
there are too many, then some will go under.

There is a problem with the sports cartels (MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA) being
unwilling to let their uneconomic franchises fail, but this doesn't
seem to be a radio or even broadcasting issue -- except perhaps for
the NHL, which insists on having teams in places where people aren't
interested in hockey because they imagine that this will somehow
improve their national TV rights revenues.  (Memo to Gary Bettman: if
it's not cold enough to hold the Winter Classic there, it's probably a
dumb place for a hockey team.)

The move for CBS makes sense to me: they have a well-established brand
in sports on TV, and they own several of the top-billing sports radio
stations in the country; if for once they can demonstrate some synergy
between the two sides of the house, they might actually justify their
existence as a single company.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Jun 24 08:27:12 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:27:12 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/23/2012 11:57 PM, Donna Halper wrote:
> I was just doing some research on a couple of Boston stations, and came
> upon a name I hadn't thought about for a while-- Sherwood "Woody"
> Tarlow, who owned the old WHIL for a while (and also WARE, if I am
> recalling correctly).  I believe he died earlier this year-- in
> February-- but I don't recall seeing an obit anywhere.  Controversial
> guy-- accused of corruption and conflict of interest, got a judgeship
> basically for being a friend of the governor, etc.  But I would have
> expected somebody to run an obit.  Did I miss it?

I ran an obit in the March 19 NERW:

http://www.fybush.com/nerw-31912-mega-consolidation-in-canadas-biggest-markets/

"And while ?Woody Tarlow? is far from a household name in Boston radio, 
it?s a name that should be remembered this week, as we receive delayed 
news of his death February 26 in Palm Desert, California at age 87.

Judge Sherwood Tarlow (to give him his full due) served as a probate 
court judge in Dukes County (Martha?s Vineyard) from 1964 until 1974, 
but we remember him here for something else he did during his days as a 
lawyer: in January 1952, he put a new radio station on the air in 
Medford. WHIL began as a daytimer on 1540, but it soon relocated to 1430 
on the dial, spawning an FM sister station, WHIL-FM 107.9, six years later.

The Tarlow Association continued to own the stations for two more 
decades, flipping them to easy listening as WWEL/WWEL-FM before selling 
them in 1979 to Cecil Heftel, who of course famously flipped WWEL-FM to 
disco as ?Kiss 108.?

In addition to the Medford stations, Tarlow also owned WARE (1250 Ware), 
WLOB (1310 Portland ME) and several southern stations before selling his 
radio interests and pursuing another career in banking. Tarlow was also 
very active in charities for the blind and vision-impaired, having lost 
much of his own eyesight in the years after his World War II service."


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Jun 24 13:55:48 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:48 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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Scott wrote--
> I ran an obit in the March 19 NERW:
>
> http://www.fybush.com/nerw-31912-mega-consolidation-in-canadas-biggest-markets/

Glad you noticed.  Often, the Globe doesn't have obit writers who 
recognize the names of some radio old-timers and unless we call and ask, 
no obit runs.  I especially wanted to see a Globe obit (not the 
Legacy.com site, which is usually tributes written by the family) 
because it was the Globe's investigative unit, the Spotlight Team, that 
did a multi-part series about his "work" as a probate judge, complete 
with assertions of conflict of interest, funneling contracts to pals, 
etc.  The media seemed reticent to go after him because he was also 
known as quite the humanitarian, who gave large sums to charity, but the 
Globe finally did take him on.  I wonder if that would have been 
included in the obit.  I also wonder about his reputation as an owner-- 
I have vague recollections of the WHIL tower falling at one point in the 
mid-1950s... or am I mis-remembering?

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Jun 24 15:55:25 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:55:25 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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Friend of mine worked for him when he ran Capital Bank which was next to
channel 7.

Capital Bank in the 80's was in effect a loan sharking bank. While Tarlow
was never directly linked to the actions of his managers it is folly to
think he was oblivious. The bank finally failed in 1990.

This was in his hometown paper
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/obituaries/x1511614526/The-Honorable-Sherwood-Woody-Tarlow-87


On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:

> Scott wrote--
>
>  I ran an obit in the March 19 NERW:
>>
>> http://www.fybush.com/nerw-**31912-mega-consolidation-in-**
>> canadas-biggest-markets/<http://www.fybush.com/nerw-31912-mega-consolidation-in-canadas-biggest-markets/>
>>
>
> Glad you noticed.  Often, the Globe doesn't have obit writers who
> recognize the names of some radio old-timers and unless we call and ask, no
> obit runs.  I especially wanted to see a Globe obit (not the Legacy.com
> site, which is usually tributes written by the family) because it was the
> Globe's investigative unit, the Spotlight Team, that did a multi-part
> series about his "work" as a probate judge, complete with assertions of
> conflict of interest, funneling contracts to pals, etc.  The media seemed
> reticent to go after him because he was also known as quite the
> humanitarian, who gave large sums to charity, but the Globe finally did
> take him on.  I wonder if that would have been included in the obit.  I
> also wonder about his reputation as an owner-- I have vague recollections
> of the WHIL tower falling at one point in the mid-1950s... or am I
> mis-remembering?
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Jun 24 15:38:58 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:58 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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I also recall the WHIL tower collapsing and I think it was in the '50s, but 
could have been the '60s. I may be imagining it, but WHIL's tower may have 
collapsed on more than one occasion. That would not, however, make WHIL 
unique among Boston area AMs. Both WRCA (although it didn't have those call 
letters at the time of each of its several tower collapses) had at least two 
collapses--maybe more. Same for the old WKOX 1190 at its Mt Wayte Ave 
Framingham site. Now, there may have been some retroactive jinxes at work 
here;>( The station that transmits from 99 Rever Beach Parkway now has the 
WKOX calls. If you combine the number of tower collapses among stations that 
are now or once were WKOX, I think you may have a record number--maybe even 
an all-time record number for US AMs.

Not working at the PC I usually use; I have to put a signature file on this 
one. Until I do, my messages have no signature;>)

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Sherwood Tarlow


> Scott wrote--
>> I ran an obit in the March 19 NERW:
>>
>> http://www.fybush.com/nerw-31912-mega-consolidation-in-canadas-biggest-markets/
>
> Glad you noticed.  Often, the Globe doesn't have obit writers who 
> recognize the names of some radio old-timers and unless we call and ask, 
> no obit runs.  I especially wanted to see a Globe obit (not the Legacy.com 
> site, which is usually tributes written by the family) because it was the 
> Globe's investigative unit, the Spotlight Team, that did a multi-part 
> series about his "work" as a probate judge, complete with assertions of 
> conflict of interest, funneling contracts to pals, etc.  The media seemed 
> reticent to go after him because he was also known as quite the 
> humanitarian, who gave large sums to charity, but the Globe finally did 
> take him on.  I wonder if that would have been included in the obit.  I 
> also wonder about his reputation as an owner-- 
> I have vague recollections of the WHIL tower falling at one point in the 
> mid-1950s... or am I mis-remembering? 


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Jun 24 16:34:55 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:34:55 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/24/2012 3:55 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
> This was in his hometown paper
> http://www.gloucestertimes.com/obituaries/x1511614526/The-Honorable-Sherwood-Woody-Tarlow-87

Similar to the Legacy.com announcement.  Doesn't mention his divorce nor 
any of the widely-reported scandals associated with his time as a judge 
or a banker.

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Jun 24 16:37:21 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:37:21 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/24/2012 4:34 PM, Donna Halper wrote:
> On 6/24/2012 3:55 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>>
>> This was in his hometown paper
>> http://www.gloucestertimes.com/obituaries/x1511614526/The-Honorable-Sherwood-Woody-Tarlow-87
>
> Similar to the Legacy.com announcement. Doesn't mention his divorce nor
> any of the widely-reported scandals associated with his time as a judge
> or a banker.

This, like the announcement on Legacy.com from the Globe, is not a 
newspaper obituary. It's a death notice, and those (whether inserted 
into newspapers free of charge or as paid advertising) are not written 
by newspaper journalists but by the funeral home and the family. It is 
understandable, I think, that they'd omit those unpleasant details.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Jun 24 17:15:24 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:15:24 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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Scott wrote--
> This, like the announcement on Legacy.com from the Globe, is not a 
> newspaper obituary. It's a death notice, and those (whether inserted 
> into newspapers free of charge or as paid advertising) are not written 
> by newspaper journalists but by the funeral home and the family. It is 
> understandable, I think, that they'd omit those unpleasant details.

Yes of course.  My original question was why there was no actual obit 
that I could find in the Globe or any other newspaper.  Given his many 
years in the area, I would have thought somebody would have written 
about his life (all the aspects thereof-- both good and bad).


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun 25 00:18:42 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:18:42 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
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On 6/24/2012 1:55 PM, Donna Halper wrote:

> I wonder if that would have been included in the obit.  I also wonder 
> about his reputation as an owner-- I have vague recollections of the 
> WHIL tower falling at one point in the mid-1950s... or am I 
> mis-remembering?

Could this have been Huricane Carol in 1954, which brought down the 
WBZ-TV tower?

-- 
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 02:58:08 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:58:08 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOTK_VLCDSudSoUgjQ0=ADLFfZP3Tb5kyvooSAKpinH4Q@mail.gmail.com>

OK - nobody saw this one coming.

http://bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2012/06/24/boston-com-launch-radio-station/UmPM8LgTCZJNkAjECkuRNL/story.html


?Boston.com has been at the forefront of multimedia for some time now,
producing award-winning videos, live video programming, interactive
content, and more,? DeSisto said. ?We?ve long thought radio would be a
natural extension for us, and we?re fortunate to launch with such an
incredible team.?

That team includes several former employees of WFNX, which will cease
broadcasting July 23. Joining Boston.com effective Monday will be DJs Henry
Santoro, Julie Kramer, Adam 12, former WFNX program director Paul Driscoll,
as well as the station?s former sales rep Johnny L Lavasseur and operations
and promotions director Mike Snow.

----------------

Mindich most likely thought that his 'loyal' staff would come back when he
would relaunch WFNX online - well apparently the loyal staff decided that
boston.com was a better option.

From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Jun 25 08:25:32 2012
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:25:32 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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Are they volunteering their services?  I highly doubt that a webstream is
going to generate enough revenue to support a paid staff.  The Globe isn't
exactly flush with cash to subsidize this venture either.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> That team includes several former employees of WFNX, which will cease
> broadcasting July 23. Joining Boston.com effective Monday will be DJs Henry
> Santoro, Julie Kramer, Adam 12, former WFNX program director Paul Driscoll,
> as well as the station?s former sales rep Johnny L Lavasseur and operations
> and promotions director Mike Snow.
>
> ----------------
>
> Mindich most likely thought that his 'loyal' staff would come back when he
> would relaunch WFNX online - well apparently the loyal staff decided that
> boston.com was a better option.
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Jun 25 09:49:54 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:49:54 -0400
Subject: Sherwood Tarlow
References: <CAOWx1Lb0vZE1scybGMuYeDoDDwYs_SjDdAWyC1zNdSB685nGqQ@mail.gmail.com><CABnTNsMnh2kghqyqSncnGyE--9gko98J_yYPkuAFbAXRKqQkFg@mail.gmail.com><4FE69029.8080609@donnahalper.com>
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I believe that the WHIL tower collapse occurred after the WBZ-TV tower
collapse. I arrived in Boston in May 1956--several years after the
WBZ-TV tower collapse. I think the WHIL tower collapse (and by that, I
think I mean the FIRST WHIL tower collapse) took place after I was
living in Cambridge (at the MIT Graduate House at 300 Memorial Drive).

Not sure that mismanagement or penny-pinching by Tarlow caused the
WHIL tower collapse to which I am referring, but penny-pinching might
have contributed to the problem. My undertstanding is that the tower
and, for that matter, the 99 RBP building (a much smaller building at
the site preceded the building that, over the years, became a familiar
landmark), were built on what, years earlier, had been a garbage dump.
I believe it was alleged that the tower fell because a guy anchor
pulled loose from the unstable "soil."

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Sherwood Tarlow


> On 6/24/2012 1:55 PM, Donna Halper wrote:
>
>> I wonder if that would have been included in the obit.  I also
>> wonder about his reputation as an owner-- I have vague
>> recollections of the WHIL tower falling at one point in the
>> mid-1950s... or am I mis-remembering?
>
> Could this have been Huricane Carol in 1954, which brought down the
> WBZ-TV tower?
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>


From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 11:23:31 2012
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:23:31 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I]  Re: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
Message-ID: <4FE88273.8050001@Gmail.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote,

 > OK - nobody saw this one coming.
 >
 > 
http://bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2012/06/24/boston-com-launch-radio-station/UmPM8LgTCZJNkAjECkuRNL/story.html
 >
 >
 > ?Boston.com has been at the forefront of multimedia
 > for some time now, producing award-winning videos, live
 > video programming, interactive content, and more,? DeSisto
 > said. ?We?ve long thought radio would be a natural
 > extension for us, and we?re fortunate to launch with such
 > an incredible team.?

Here is the link to the full article:

http://mobile.boston.com/art/21/ae/celebrity/2012/06/25/boston-com-launch-radio-station/K5Z5XZlMVfBQTu7VuAlrFJ/story?single=0

      ~Kaimbridge~

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From ssmyth@psualum.com  Mon Jun 25 13:56:49 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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Steve O. wrote:
> Are they volunteering their services?? I highly doubt that a webstream is
> going to generate enough revenue to support a paid staff.? The Globe isn't
> exactly flush with cash to subsidize this venture either.


Well, they're bringing on at least one WFNX sales person, someone who probably has a good Rolodex for this type of project.

Given that WFNX reportedly had as high of a rating in the Boston book for its stream as its over-the-air signal, this has potential. If you're under 30 and in the car, you probably have some form of smartphone in your pocket -- or your friend in the passenger's seat does. Boom, sell a $5 or whatever app to unlock boston.com alternative radio (or whatever it's called) mobile streaming.?

Of course the MP3 player makes this a dicey proposition, but there are people out there who want to be introduced to newer music through a somewhat interactive medium.


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Jun 25 16:25:11 2012
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:25:11 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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On 6/25/2012 1:56 PM, Sean Smyth wrote:
> Steve O. wrote:
>    
>> Are they volunteering their services?  I highly doubt that a webstream is
>> going to generate enough revenue to support a paid staff.  The Globe isn't
>> exactly flush with cash to subsidize this venture either.
>>      
I still wonder if internet radio really works-- Sam Kopper tried to 
bring back WBCN as an online station, but it gets very little media buzz 
and I wonder how many people actually do listen to it.  Sam of course 
will say he has a lot of  listeners, and he is to be commended for 
trying.  But the issue of monetizing internet radio is still a question, 
as is how you can accurately  measure listenership, and how you can grow 
the audience-- while we on this list are generally in possession of good 
internet connections and a knowledge of what's out there to listen to, 
there are still many folks who either cannot listen (while they are at 
work or in the car), or they lack the sufficiently fast (or affordable) 
internet connections.  I assume the WFNX folks will get some 
compensation for their time, but once they go on-line, will Boston.com 
be able to effectively promote this venture, or will it turn out to be 
too costly and cumbersome to maintain?

From lspin@comcast.net  Mon Jun 25 16:40:49 2012
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:40:49 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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Some of the problems with the online incarnations of WBCN are that:
- There are two 'BCNs out there.  Which one is legit?
- Their sound quality isn't very good.

I do a fair amount of listening to internet radio.  A live voice might
convince me to disregard the low bitrate sound and listen.  But if it's just
another automated jukebox, I'd rather hear better quality - or just plug in
my iPod and hear what I like.  "Free Form BCN," keeps promising live jocks,
but I never hear them when I tune-in.



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:25 PM

>>      
I still wonder if internet radio really works-- Sam Kopper tried to bring
back WBCN as an online station, but it gets very little media buzz and I
wonder how many people actually do listen to it.  Sam of course will say he
has a lot of  listeners, and he is to be commended for trying.  But the
issue of monetizing internet radio is still a question, as is how you can
accurately  measure listenership, and how you can grow the audience-- while
we on this list are generally in possession of good internet connections and
a knowledge of what's out there to listen to, there are still many folks who
either cannot listen (while they are at work or in the car), or they lack
the sufficiently fast (or affordable) internet connections.  I assume the
WFNX folks will get some compensation for their time, but once they go
on-line, will Boston.com be able to effectively promote this venture, or
will it turn out to be too costly and cumbersome to maintain?


From peterwmurray@gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 18:10:30 2012
From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:10:30 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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Internet-only radio certainly works - there are stations that are doing
fine that are stream-only. The better question is how many were formerly
FM/AM broadcast outlets? I suspect the number of successful transitions is
low - but that may be due to a lack of good content (or content/brand
management) rather than just economics.

The big trouble with streaming is that there is no economy of scale. ISPs
don't have much incentive to provide support for multicast, so for every
listener, the stream provider originates another instance of that stream. I
have seen data (provided by a large public radio station outfit) that shows
that it costs them approximately 20 times more to deliver station
programming to a streaming listener than it does to reach an on-air
listener.

For an outfit like WFNX to distinguish itself to their international
audience (without a FM broadcast to anchor them), they need to offer
compelling content - in their case, it will be the alternative rock that
established their brand, plus the people (in the form of DJs) that gives
them personality. Their identity and association with Boston is important,
though their advertising certainly can be focused to the English-speaking
world, rather than just areas within their current FM coverage area.

Ultimately, it will continue as long as it is financially viable. How they
monetize that is up to them (advertising in the stream, dedicated listening
app for $0.99, whatever). They need to do everything they can to keep
whatever momentum they have now. Losing some key personalities (Julie
Kramer, Adam-12) doesn't help, but headliner people are expensive.

-Peter

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:

> On 6/25/2012 1:56 PM, Sean Smyth wrote:
>
>> Steve O. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Are they volunteering their services?  I highly doubt that a webstream is
>>> going to generate enough revenue to support a paid staff.  The Globe
>>> isn't
>>> exactly flush with cash to subsidize this venture either.
>>>
>>>
>> I still wonder if internet radio really works-- Sam Kopper tried to bring
> back WBCN as an online station, but it gets very little media buzz and I
> wonder how many people actually do listen to it.  Sam of course will say he
> has a lot of  listeners, and he is to be commended for trying.  But the
> issue of monetizing internet radio is still a question, as is how you can
> accurately  measure listenership, and how you can grow the audience-- while
> we on this list are generally in possession of good internet connections
> and a knowledge of what's out there to listen to, there are still many
> folks who either cannot listen (while they are at work or in the car), or
> they lack the sufficiently fast (or affordable) internet connections.  I
> assume the WFNX folks will get some compensation for their time, but once
> they go on-line, will Boston.com be able to effectively promote this
> venture, or will it turn out to be too costly and cumbersome to maintain?
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jun 25 18:52:19 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:52:19 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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On 6/25/2012 6:10 PM, Peter Murray wrote:

> Internet-only radio certainly works - there are stations that are doing
> fine that are stream-only. The better question is how many were formerly
> FM/AM broadcast outlets? I suspect the number of successful transitions is
> low - but that may be due to a lack of good content (or content/brand
> management) rather than just economics.

Or perhaps promotion.  People don't listen to what they don't know about.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From sids1045@aol.com  Mon Jun 25 18:35:34 2012
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"Given that WFNX reportedly had as high of a rating in the Boston book for its 
tream as its over-the-air signal..."
Not even close.


From brscomm@yahoo.com  Mon Jun 25 21:30:13 2012
From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill)
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Monday-Friday 10-2 is live. Some days it's live almost all day.

Bill
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Lou
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:41 PM
To: 'Donna Halper'; 'Sean Smyth'
Cc: 'Boston Radio Group'
Subject: RE: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online

Some of the problems with the online incarnations of WBCN are that:
- There are two 'BCNs out there.  Which one is legit?
- Their sound quality isn't very good.

I do a fair amount of listening to internet radio.  A live voice might
convince me to disregard the low bitrate sound and listen.  But if it's just
another automated jukebox, I'd rather hear better quality - or just plug in
my iPod and hear what I like.  "Free Form BCN," keeps promising live jocks,
but I never hear them when I tune-in.



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Donna Halper
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:25 PM

>>      
I still wonder if internet radio really works-- Sam Kopper tried to bring
back WBCN as an online station, but it gets very little media buzz and I
wonder how many people actually do listen to it.  Sam of course will say he
has a lot of  listeners, and he is to be commended for trying.  But the
issue of monetizing internet radio is still a question, as is how you can
accurately  measure listenership, and how you can grow the audience-- while
we on this list are generally in possession of good internet connections and
a knowledge of what's out there to listen to, there are still many folks who
either cannot listen (while they are at work or in the car), or they lack
the sufficiently fast (or affordable) internet connections.  I assume the
WFNX folks will get some compensation for their time, but once they go
on-line, will Boston.com be able to effectively promote this venture, or
will it turn out to be too costly and cumbersome to maintain?


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 10:34:50 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:34:50 -0400
Subject: The Phoenix now plans to continue WFNX online
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http://wfnx.com/shows/fnxweekenders/wfnx-online-stream


Now in the WFNX press release it mentions that many of the jocks will
return one more time but now will the newly hired former FNX staffers be
allowed to do so?


I sense there is one more show to drop - The Globe buying The Phoenix and
Mindich rides off into the sunset. He is selling the building on Brookline
Ave and perhaps just wants out.

Just last month the Chicago Sun Times bought the Chicago Reader so there is
a precedent.

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 10:49:48 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:49:48 -0400
Subject: The Phoenix now plans to continue WFNX online
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The Phoenix's article doesn't mention the boston.com situation at all
from what I saw, but who knows if the Globe might buy the Phoenix.

A couple tweets by Dan Cobb to the likes of Henry Santoro said "#WFNX
break-off station needs a call-sign. How about BXCi "Boston's
Alternative dotCom" and "very happy for all of you and generally good
news, but also feel like I just landed in a custody battle"

What seemed to happen was that the Globe decided to launch their own
successor to WFNX with the air personalities, while Mindich is plowing
ahead with his own operation...
and unless a deal is made between Mindich and the Globe, the Phoenix's
station would have any WFNX identity. Perhaps the WFNX stream might
contain rebroadcasts of
old shows and events and past shows with those DJs and they would
retain any intellectual property of the now-departing station, while
boston.com goes ahead with the DJs themselves.

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Jun 26 15:23:50 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:23:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:40:49 -0400
>From: "Lou" <lspin@comcast.net>
>To: "'Donna Halper'" <dlh@donnahalper.com>, "'Sean Smyth'"
>	<ssmyth@psualum.com>
>Cc: 'Boston Radio Group' <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
>Subject: RE: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
>
>Some with the online incarnations of WBCN are that:
>- There are two 'BCNs out there. Which one is legit?

They're both "legit" as they are both under the CBS
Boston umbrella. 98.5 HD2 "WBCN The Rock Of Boston" 
is supposed to be the music of the 1990's-2000's 
WBCN incarnation (no live DJ's on that one).

"WBCN Free Form Rock" 100.7 HD3, programmed by Sam 
Kopper is supposed to be the philosophy of the '60s/
'70s WBCN with music from then through today, and 
live DJ's some hours. 

>"Free Form BCN," keeps promising live jocks, but 
>I never hear them when I tune-in.

You're not listening at the right times. At minimum,
there are live DJ's most every weekday from at least
11 AM (or sometimes 12 noon) to 2 PM or later, often 
to 4 PM. Usually Sam, or new (but good) DJ Destiny 
Curtis. Occasionally, live DJ's start on as early as 
9 or 10 AM (occasionally early '90s WBCN DJ Carolyn 
Fox does a morning shift from 9 to 11 or noon). Sam 
usually keeps it live Friday evenings with a "Friday 
night party" until 9 PM.

Though there have been some live weekend shifts and 
weekend specials, there is nothing live regularly on
weekends at this point.

EP





From elipolo@earthlink.net  Tue Jun 26 15:02:15 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:02:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:25:11 -0400
>From: Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com>
>To: Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com>
>Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>Subject: Re: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
>  
>I still wonder if internet radio really works-- 
>Sam Kopper tried to bring back WBCN as an online 
>station, but it gets very little media buzz and I 
>wonder how many people actually do listen to it.  

Sam (and others who work there) can access the server 
statistics, and I've heard that during their live 
programming it only averages about a hundred people 
listening online. That doesn't include people who 
listen on HD radio, which I'm sure is much less.

EP





From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jun 27 02:12:47 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:12:47 -0400
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
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On 6/26/2012 3:23 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote:

> "WBCN Free Form Rock" 100.7 HD3, programmed by Sam Kopper is supposed 
> to be the philosophy of the '60s/ '70s WBCN with music from then 
> through today, and live DJ's some hours. 

They must mean the late 1960s.  For most of the 1960s WBCN was a 
classical music station.

-- 
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From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Jun 27 12:55:19 2012
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:55:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
Message-ID: <2502551.1340816119311.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:12:47 -0400
>From: A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Boston.com will bring WFNX staffers back online
>
>On 6/26/2012 3:23 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote:
>
>> "WBCN Free Form Rock" 100.7 HD3, programmed by 
>> Sam Kopper is supposed to be the philosophy of 
>> the '60s/'70s WBCN with music from then through 
>> today, and live DJ's some hours. 
>
>They must mean the late 1960s. For most of the 1960s 
>WBCN was a classical music station.

True, I didn't specify late '60s in my little capsule
description, but the station does include some music
from before WBCN became a rock station in its mix.

Though the format is heaviest on music of WBCN's history
as a rock station through current music that a station
with WBCN's late '60s/'70s programming philosophy may
play today, there are occasional rock'n'roll and R&B
songs from the earlier '60s and the '50s thrown into
the mix as Sam wants to present music from the entire
rock'n'roll era, plus occasional classic blues and R&B
tracks from even earlier than that to show the "roots"
of rock'n'roll.

EP





From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 15:09:06 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:09:06 -0400
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
Message-ID: <CAJht-8OgKSr9PZWam0T-Z2KDdsdUA5tE_wT0EOyN4pZ=v0ePfg@mail.gmail.com>

Tweet from bostonradio:
>>103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 60's,70's,80's moves to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 15:40:01 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:40:01 -0400
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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Yes...btw the flip will be noon tomorrow I'm hearing, and a PD and
local DJs will be announced later. For all the long goodbyes of WFNX
and (some of) WGBH jazz, we're less than 24 hrs away from the end of
WODS on reg.
radio, moving to HD-2...

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Sean Smyth <ssmyth@psualum.com> wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
>>Tweet from bostonradio:
>>>> 103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic
>> 60's,70's,80's moves to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)
>
> When was the last time there was a true CHR war around here, assuming it was ZOU vs. KISS? And that was nearly 20 years ago. (IIRC, 94.5 flipped in 1993. Maybe 1994.)

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 15:40:46 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:40:46 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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It will but maybe not right away? PD and jocks to be announced at some time.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Don <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does the "AMP" format have jocks?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@gmail.com>
> To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:09 PM
> Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
>
>
>> Tweet from bostonradio:
>>>>
>>>> 103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 60's,70's,80's moves
>>>> to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)
>
>

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 15:23:40 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:23:40 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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Does the "AMP" format have jocks?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@gmail.com>
To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2


> Tweet from bostonradio:
>>>103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 60's,70's,80's moves 
>>>to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28) 


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Wed Jun 27 15:26:34 2012
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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Bob wrote:

>Tweet from bostonradio:
>>> 103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 
> 60's,70's,80's moves to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)

When was the last time there was a true CHR war around here, assuming it was ZOU vs. KISS? And that was nearly 20 years ago. (IIRC, 94.5 flipped in 1993. Maybe 1994.)

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 16:33:57 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:33:57 -0400
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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Paula just sent a message on FB

 Amp radio starts at noon tomorrow - join me for a goodbye show from 9-12p
with JJ and Jay Gordon

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 16:07:43 2012
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:07:43 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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> Does the "AMP" format have jocks?

Yes, their Amp and Now CHRs in other cities do have jocks. Hopefully this
will be a wakeup call for Kiss and Jamn. Thats the only good I see in this,
unless WROR goes to a more "top 40" presentation with their format, letting
the jocks talk up the songs, bring jingles back, etc...

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 16:29:26 2012
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:29:26 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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I wonder if there will be new call letters. "ODS" was probably intended to
provoke "OlDieS" originally.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bob Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:09 PM
To: Boston Radio Group
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2

Tweet from bostonradio:
>>103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 60's,70's,80's moves
to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jun 27 17:30:53 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:30:53 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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	<01fa01cd54a3$8f8b35c0$aea1a140$@ma@comcast.net>
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On 6/27/2012 4:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote:

> I wonder if there will be new call letters. "ODS" was probably intended to
> provoke "OlDieS" originally.

I've always thought it was W-Odious :-P

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Wed Jun 27 15:45:28 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:45:28 -0400
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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All Access also has it now as well, including the new logo.
http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/107621/wods-to-flip-to-top-40-as-103-3-amp-radio-tomorrow



I wonder if they will finally get rid of probably the ugliest (odious?)
callsign a radio station has ever had?!?
WAMP wouldn't be much better, but fortunately that's already in used (as
WAMP-FM) on 88.1 in Jackson, TN.


-Bob


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tweet from bostonradio:
> >>103.3 changes to Top 40 format called AMP...Classic 60's,70's,80's moves
> to HD2 starting tomorrow(6/28)
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jun 27 17:46:28 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:46:28 -0400
Subject: BRW: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR_64FGUAhfUeyrfh5-RiXd5oYORJ9dw5iSNbv6LiCFDpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJht-8OgKSr9PZWam0T-Z2KDdsdUA5tE_wT0EOyN4pZ=v0ePfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMQUtR_64FGUAhfUeyrfh5-RiXd5oYORJ9dw5iSNbv6LiCFDpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FEB7F34.8070503@attorneyross.com>

On 6/27/2012 3:45 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote:

> All Access also has it now as well, including the new logo.
> http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/107621/wods-to-flip-to-top-40-as-103-3-amp-radio-tomorrow
>
>
>
> I wonder if they will finally get rid of probably the ugliest (odious?)
> callsign a radio station has ever had?!?
> WAMP wouldn't be much better, but fortunately that's already in used (as
> WAMP-FM) on 88.1 in Jackson, TN.

If they're going to keep the classic hits format on an HD channel and on 
wods.com, they may want to protect the ability to use the wods trademark 
by warehousing the call letters somewhere.  They may decide to 
de-emphasize call letters, as Boston's Sports Hub has done, in which 
case they may as well continue to be WODS as anything else.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Jun 23 16:14:10 2012
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:14:10 -0400
Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)
Message-ID: <20120623201410.193050@gmx.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Dillane
>Sent: 06/23/12 12:39 PM
>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: WWLP, William Lowell Putnam (was 40 years ago...)

 >William Putnam and his wife, Kitty Broman, are intervied in an article today at masslive.com. Story includes a link to pictures in their book, How We Survived in UHF Television. >WWLP Channel 22 pioneers Bill Putnam, Kitty Broman recall golden age of television >By Patricia Cahill, The (Springfield) Republican >http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/wwlp_channel_22_pioneers_bill.html 

 Considering Mr. and Mrs. Putnam's hearty embrace of UHF Television in the early days of WWLP-TV, I find it
 somewhat amusing that the station switched from UHF to VHF after the analog-to-digital switchover two years ago.
 It now broadcasts on VHF channel 11, and not really that far from channel 11 atop Saddleback Mountain in
 Deerfield, NH. Where I live north of Boston, channel 11 in NH comes in with a blockbuster signal, better than
 some UHFs a similar distance away to the SW near Boston.

From scott@fybush.com  Wed Jun 27 17:07:48 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:07:48 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
In-Reply-To: <01fa01cd54a3$8f8b35c0$aea1a140$@ma@comcast.net>
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	<01fa01cd54a3$8f8b35c0$aea1a140$@ma@comcast.net>
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On 6/27/2012 4:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote:
> I wonder if there will be new call letters. "ODS" was probably intended to
> provoke "OlDieS" originally.
>

Maybe, maybe not. AMP 97.1 in LA got new calls (they had kept the "KLSX" 
classic rock calls through a talk format, but became KAMP-FM when they 
went top-40), but in NYC, 92.3 kept its old K-Rock WXRK calls when it 
became top-40 92.3 NOW FM. In the PPM era, it doesn't really matter one 
way or another, except to make sure agency buyers know what they're 
looking at in the ratings books.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Jun 28 02:24:12 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:24:12 -0400
Subject: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2
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	<4FEB7624.4010804@fybush.com>
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OTOH, is it good to have calls that spell out odious?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Fybush 
  To: Jim Hall ; Boston Radio Interest 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:07 PM
  Subject: Re: AMP format to 103.3 tomorrow, 60s-80s to hd2


  On 6/27/2012 4:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote:
  > I wonder if there will be new call letters. "ODS" was probably intended to
  > provoke "OlDieS" originally.
  >

  Maybe, maybe not. AMP 97.1 in LA got new calls (they had kept the "KLSX" 
  classic rock calls through a talk format, but became KAMP-FM when they 
  went top-40), but in NYC, 92.3 kept its old K-Rock WXRK calls when it 
  became top-40 92.3 NOW FM. In the PPM era, it doesn't really matter one 
  way or another, except to make sure agency buyers know what they're 
  looking at in the ratings books.

From gary@garysicecream.com  Thu Jun 28 12:40:17 2012
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Garys Ice Cream)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:40:17 -0400
Subject: Oldies 103.3
Message-ID: <013e01cd554c$b370c500$1a524f00$@com>

Did anybody else notice that the live good-bye show seemed to end rather
abruptly after JJ mentioned "Kiss-108" and his days there?   After that it
was just music, liners and spots for the last 40 minutes.

 

         -Gary


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 13:20:50 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:20:50 -0400
Subject: Oldies 103.3
In-Reply-To: <013e01cd554c$b370c500$1a524f00$@com>
References: <013e01cd554c$b370c500$1a524f00$@com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPy2_hcCtXHT1A9R_0k8CaDjBxY7px2fUqRx5SLWiZcEQ@mail.gmail.com>

It sure seems like they were silenced by CBS - Paula never had a chance to
say good bye.

I am sure CBS is thrilled by what Clear Channel did with this domain name.

www.1033amp.com

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Garys Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
wrote:
>
> Did anybody else notice that the live good-bye show seemed to end rather
> abruptly after JJ mentioned "Kiss-108" and his days there?   After that it
> was just music, liners and spots for the last 40 minutes.
>
>
>
>          -Gary
>

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Thu Jun 28 13:28:43 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:28:43 -0400
Subject: Oldies 103.3
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsPy2_hcCtXHT1A9R_0k8CaDjBxY7px2fUqRx5SLWiZcEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013e01cd554c$b370c500$1a524f00$@com>
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I wasn't really expecting anything until much later.  I got a phone
call just before 11:20 so I didn't hear his comments, but it did seem odd
that JJ and Paula disappeared way before the switchover.

Aside from that, it was fun to hear the Oldies 103 jingles one last
time.

-Bob



On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:

> It sure seems like they were silenced by CBS - Paula never had a chance to
> say good bye.
>
> I am sure CBS is thrilled by what Clear Channel did with this domain name.
>
> www.1033amp.com
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Garys Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Did anybody else notice that the live good-bye show seemed to end rather
> > abruptly after JJ mentioned "Kiss-108" and his days there?   After that
> it
> > was just music, liners and spots for the last 40 minutes.
> >
> >
> >
> >          -Gary
> >
>

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 13:47:59 2012
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:47:59 -0400
Subject: Oldies 103.3
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR9UyOtaxBnD1mZjnAhLvOUC-tJ_faLe-FjtAPLG_fx1yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013e01cd554c$b370c500$1a524f00$@com>
	<CABnTNsPy2_hcCtXHT1A9R_0k8CaDjBxY7px2fUqRx5SLWiZcEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJht-8P12Oa=gH4-erm=DhJ2HdshMjKbX3MrYR8W5pGeq7UqNw@mail.gmail.com>

http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/WODSshakefun.mp3

The final 20 minutes up to Fun Fun Fun, up for a limited time. "We're
getting out a little early...didn't do anything wrong"

From jimduffy75@gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 22:31:08 2012
From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:31:08 -0400
Subject: Some Thoughts on WODS/AmpRadio
Message-ID: <002101cd559f$3e7505b0$bb5f1110$@com>

I want to thank any one who reads this in advance for a few minutes of
indulgence.  What I have to say comes from a very personal point of view,
but I feel the need to openly process what happened today among other radio
people and people who love radio.

When I really started to become aware of what I was listening to on the
radio and developed musical tastes other than those of my parents or the
"grown ups" in my life, one of my very first favorite radio stations was the
old HitRadio 103 WHTT.  Something about that tight format with its jingles,
reverb and other elements just caught my attention and kept me fascinated.
While I could listen to all of the best stations from both Providence and
Boston, and they all had their unique characteristics, I always defaulted to
103.3 for the predictability and familiarity that sort of became like a good
old friend.  So you can probably imagine how completely lost I was when I
came home after being at summer camp in Vt for two weeks in 1986 and found
my radio station and the familiar DJ's had been replace by this new station
called Q103 with its new DJ's and strange music.  

Strangely enough, I found some comfort when I landed on 103.3 15 short
months later to find different DJ's and new elements yet again., this new
station, however, had a few familiar things about it.  Along with the return
of jingles and reverb was music that my parents and the grown ups had played
before and now there was a radio station that played it every day as opposed
to Saturday night or weekends only.  By the time "oldies 103" came on the
air, my tastes were branching out all over the musical map.  Yet as BCN
changed, ZOU became Jam'n and Kiss became void of uniqueness and character,
103.3 became more dependable, familiar and  constant.

Over the years, my mom would switch to 103.3 every weekend when she needed
to hear the Oldies.  The top 500 countdown became a must listen every
memorial day for I don't know how many years.  I'll never forget how it
served as the sound track of sanity during at least two ruff moves for my
family.  I came to appreciate the oldies as the "feel good" music and more
importantly, I grew to realize that 103.3 was the "happy place" for a lot of
us, regardless of age or where ever we lived in The greater Boston area.
During the last few years, this really came full circle for me as WODS
started adding many of the same 80's songs I first heard on WHTT.  My own
personal term for WODS was the "happy music" and over the last few years, I
developed the attitude that when the "happy music" was on, things would be
OK, no matter how ruff life was getting.

Today, that dependable constant was replaced by of all things, a
contemporary hit radio station.  Despite the many dreams and fantacies I've
had where "hit radio" returned to 103.3 on the dial, I realize now that I
was dreaming about an old concept that really doesn't exist any more.
Despite the cut backs over the years, the subtle changes in the playlist and
PPM with all of its imperfections, WODS/"Oldies 103" remained somewhat true
to itself with the programming elements and dynamic personalities.  It
became and that "old Friend" or default for so many people and all I could
think about today as I sat at work a few minutes after noon was how crewel a
joke life has truly become.  While I should have felt some excitement or
sence of history one feels when something evolves full circle, I felt just
as lost as I did that day I returned home from summer camp.  I thought of
the average listener who doesn't regularly read Boston Radio Watch, NERW and
Radio Insite, or subscribe to an interest list like this one.  Perhaps there
are children as young as I was who's parents brought them up on WODS and
have come to depend on it like a friend, the same way I depended on WHTT.
Then there are the many others who went away on vacation or business as late
as yesterday morning.  When they come back and turn on there favorite
station in the car or at home, they'll find this strange new music on this
strange new station with no live voices.  Today, I feel like many of us lost
a friend yet again.


From mike_ed@msn.com  Thu Jun 28 22:49:38 2012
From: mike_ed@msn.com (Mike G)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:49:38 -0400
Subject: Some Thoughts on WODS/AmpRadio
In-Reply-To: <002101cd559f$3e7505b0$bb5f1110$@com>
References: <002101cd559f$3e7505b0$bb5f1110$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY155-W2776CEA7E17BBB213F330391E50@phx.gbl>


i read your e-mail with interest because, like you, WHTT was one of the first stations that I too became a fan of.  I can remember going out to dinner at a 99 restaurant with my family and they had it blaring over the loudspeakers.  I was only 12 or 13 at the time and I was hooked from there on out.  Between me and my sister, we never even considered KISS because as far as we were concerned, it was still the " disco station ".  I've followed the progression of 103.3 and in a sense for me it came full circle as far as the songs they played new on WHTT were now the oldies on WODS.  I haven't listened to this AMP103.3 yet, but I can't possibly see how they can differentiate themselves from KISS or 94.5 with such a tight playlist radio now uses for their programming.  I mean all day today, I've been asking myself what constitutes top-40 radio anymore.  Does Boston really need another station playing Justin Bieber ??  Maybe, I'll be wrong, but I honestly can't see this lasting more than 2-3 years max.  
 > From: jimduffy75@gmail.com
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Some Thoughts on WODS/AmpRadio
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:31:08 -0400
> 
> I want to thank any one who reads this in advance for a few minutes of
> indulgence.  What I have to say comes from a very personal point of view,
> but I feel the need to openly process what happened today among other radio
> people and people who love radio.
> 
> When I really started to become aware of what I was listening to on the
> radio and developed musical tastes other than those of my parents or the
> "grown ups" in my life, one of my very first favorite radio stations was the
> old HitRadio 103 WHTT.  Something about that tight format with its jingles,
> reverb and other elements just caught my attention and kept me fascinated.
> While I could listen to all of the best stations from both Providence and
> Boston, and they all had their unique characteristics, I always defaulted to
> 103.3 for the predictability and familiarity that sort of became like a good
> old friend.  So you can probably imagine how completely lost I was when I
> came home after being at summer camp in Vt for two weeks in 1986 and found
> my radio station and the familiar DJ's had been replace by this new station
> called Q103 with its new DJ's and strange music.  
> 
> Strangely enough, I found some comfort when I landed on 103.3 15 short
> months later to find different DJ's and new elements yet again., this new
> station, however, had a few familiar things about it.  Along with the return
> of jingles and reverb was music that my parents and the grown ups had played
> before and now there was a radio station that played it every day as opposed
> to Saturday night or weekends only.  By the time "oldies 103" came on the
> air, my tastes were branching out all over the musical map.  Yet as BCN
> changed, ZOU became Jam'n and Kiss became void of uniqueness and character,
> 103.3 became more dependable, familiar and  constant.
> 
> Over the years, my mom would switch to 103.3 every weekend when she needed
> to hear the Oldies.  The top 500 countdown became a must listen every
> memorial day for I don't know how many years.  I'll never forget how it
> served as the sound track of sanity during at least two ruff moves for my
> family.  I came to appreciate the oldies as the "feel good" music and more
> importantly, I grew to realize that 103.3 was the "happy place" for a lot of
> us, regardless of age or where ever we lived in The greater Boston area.
> During the last few years, this really came full circle for me as WODS
> started adding many of the same 80's songs I first heard on WHTT.  My own
> personal term for WODS was the "happy music" and over the last few years, I
> developed the attitude that when the "happy music" was on, things would be
> OK, no matter how ruff life was getting.
> 
> Today, that dependable constant was replaced by of all things, a
> contemporary hit radio station.  Despite the many dreams and fantacies I've
> had where "hit radio" returned to 103.3 on the dial, I realize now that I
> was dreaming about an old concept that really doesn't exist any more.
> Despite the cut backs over the years, the subtle changes in the playlist and
> PPM with all of its imperfections, WODS/"Oldies 103" remained somewhat true
> to itself with the programming elements and dynamic personalities.  It
> became and that "old Friend" or default for so many people and all I could
> think about today as I sat at work a few minutes after noon was how crewel a
> joke life has truly become.  While I should have felt some excitement or
> sence of history one feels when something evolves full circle, I felt just
> as lost as I did that day I returned home from summer camp.  I thought of
> the average listener who doesn't regularly read Boston Radio Watch, NERW and
> Radio Insite, or subscribe to an interest list like this one.  Perhaps there
> are children as young as I was who's parents brought them up on WODS and
> have come to depend on it like a friend, the same way I depended on WHTT.
> Then there are the many others who went away on vacation or business as late
> as yesterday morning.  When they come back and turn on there favorite
> station in the car or at home, they'll find this strange new music on this
> strange new station with no live voices.  Today, I feel like many of us lost
> a friend yet again.
> 
 		 	   		  

From jimduffy75@gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 08:27:23 2012
From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:27:23 -0400
Subject: Some Thoughts on WODS/AmpRadio
In-Reply-To: <BAY155-W2776CEA7E17BBB213F330391E50@phx.gbl>
References: <002101cd559f$3e7505b0$bb5f1110$@com>
	<BAY155-W2776CEA7E17BBB213F330391E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMOQtyZEH1-47zVqFysCvpM-K7MMU_QtFPxEAXoUX7tEcjeQDg@mail.gmail.com>

"The disco station". :)  For me, Kiss was that odd ball station that
played strange versians of familiar songs and other stuff that 'HTT,
'Zou and 'ProFM out of Providence did not.  How I wish now that Sunny
Joe White were still in charge and the station was owned locally.
As far as the future of 'Amp or its possible success is concerned;
I worry that CBS has misjudged The Boston Audience in thinking they
would be successful at beating or significantly chalenging 'Kiss
simply because they've have success putting the 'amp concept up
against 'kiss in LA.  I do not think the "now" 92.3 experiment has
presented the chalenge to z-100 in New York that CBS was hoping to
make.  The other thing I do not think they are considering at all is
that they program a "Modern AC" station right next door on the dial
that sounds more like a Contemporary hit station than anything.  I'
have to wonder if CBS will be faced with another tuff choice down the
rode.  I think the two wil canabalize each other, where one or the
other might be a significant chalenge to 'Kiss.
I still feel like WODS had one more evolution to make and was
naturally going to segway into an 80's or 90's focused station.
Honestly, I was looking forward to that with the likes of Karen Blake,
J. J. Right and Joe Cortez.  It looks like we will not experience a
station like that just yet.

On 6/28/12, Mike G <mike_ed@msn.com> wrote:
>
> i read your e-mail with interest because, like you, WHTT was one of the
> first stations that I too became a fan of.  I can remember going out to
> dinner at a 99 restaurant with my family and they had it blaring over the
> loudspeakers.  I was only 12 or 13 at the time and I was hooked from there
> on out.  Between me and my sister, we never even considered KISS because as
> far as we were concerned, it was still the " disco station ".  I've followed
> the progression of 103.3 and in a sense for me it came full circle as far as
> the songs they played new on WHTT were now the oldies on WODS.  I haven't
> listened to this AMP103.3 yet, but I can't possibly see how they can
> differentiate themselves from KISS or 94.5 with such a tight playlist radio
> now uses for their programming.  I mean all day today, I've been asking
> myself what constitutes top-40 radio anymore.  Does Boston really need
> another station playing Justin Bieber ??  Maybe, I'll be wrong, but I
> honestly can't see this lasting more than 2-3 years max.

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Fri Jun 29 13:14:50 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:14:50 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
Message-ID: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>

103.3Amp of course has a playlist on their website.  If you click back a
day or two,
you will see all the WODS songs that were played.  I know why this is the
way
it is, but it is amusing to the  trendy logo with "More Hit Music Every
Hour" at
the top of the page, and directly below it, songs like "Low Down" and
"Isn't She Lovely".

It's technically accurate, since these songs *were *hits at one time.
When you try to click on June 28, it tells you there's no playlist for that
date.  I guess they were doing it the old fashioned way yesterday morning.

On another matter, what's the legal ID requirement for the HD2, HD3
channels?
Currently, they are just saying "WODS HD2".  No "Boston" after it.

-Bob

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Jun 29 15:37:31 2012
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:37:31 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20462.1019.195951.679721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:14:50 -0400, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net> said:

> On another matter, what's the legal ID requirement for the HD2, HD3
> channels?

Same as for the main program.

-GAWollman

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 22:29:02 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:29:02 -0400
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
Message-ID: <CABnTNsO+aHrz9i=+0tUqiApZBdwkW0+Sgdk571+FvFbUOuTihQ@mail.gmail.com>

Never quite understood how Rogers Cable decides what US channels to
import and from where.

This is the HD lineup in my hotel


518 CTV (CFTO) Toronto, ON HD
519 CITY TV Toronto, ON HD
522 ABC (WCVB) Boston, MA HD
523 CBS (WBZ) Boston, MA HD
524 NBC (WHDH) Boston, MA HD
526 FOX (WUTV) Buffalo, NY HD
571	 WSBK (TV-38) Boston HD	
573	 WGN Chicago (SUPERSTATION) HD

Strangely PBS is not offered in HD but is available in SD

2	 PBS (WTVS) Detroit, MI


BTW the WGN feed is the Chicago feed - NOT WGN America

Radio wise - 2 Boston signals can be faintly heard in the afternoon -
850 and 1510 and at night they are like locals.

680 is there but fighting another signal - strongest AM signals
overall are 850, 880, 1210 and 1510.   660 is fighting with a local
CBC on 640.

Oddly WBAL is getting wiped out by a sports station in either Ireland
or the UK ( Talk Sport )

From scott@fybush.com  Fri Jun 29 22:49:49 2012
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:49:49 -0400
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsO+aHrz9i=+0tUqiApZBdwkW0+Sgdk571+FvFbUOuTihQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABnTNsO+aHrz9i=+0tUqiApZBdwkW0+Sgdk571+FvFbUOuTihQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FEE694D.8080707@fybush.com>

On 6/29/2012 10:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> BTW the WGN feed is the Chicago feed - NOT WGN America

Yup - the way the Canadian regs are written, the "superstations" they're 
authorized to import are the local feeds from each city, so they get 
Chicago WGN, and they still get Channel 17 from Atlanta even though it's 
now WPCH, "Peachtree TV," and has nothing to do with TBS cable.

>
> Radio wise - 2 Boston signals can be faintly heard in the afternoon -
> 850 and 1510 and at night they are like locals.
>
> 680 is there but fighting another signal - strongest AM signals
> overall are 850, 880, 1210 and 1510.   660 is fighting with a local
> CBC on 640.
>
> Oddly WBAL is getting wiped out by a sports station in either Ireland
> or the UK ( Talk Sport )

That's the 1089 kHz synchro network all across the UK. There's no 
medium-wave left in the Irish Republic.


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Fri Jun 29 23:25:29 2012
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:25:29 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>

> On another matter, what's the legal ID requirement for the HD2, HD3
> channels?
> Currently, they are just saying "WODS HD2".  No "Boston" after it.
> 
> -Bob


There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while. Right now
the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s songs
playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a handful of
listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough to get it fixed.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA




From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 00:13:46 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:13:46 -0400
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
In-Reply-To: <4FEE694D.8080707@fybush.com>
References: <CABnTNsO+aHrz9i=+0tUqiApZBdwkW0+Sgdk571+FvFbUOuTihQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FEE694D.8080707@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsP+7oMdc3K=iM+0rSmpgoaBMFGRc2qcLB9Ydtc_CP_R0w@mail.gmail.com>

I see Peachtree in available in SD

50	 Turner Classic Movies Canada	
51	 Peachtree TV (Canada)	
52	 MTV Canada	
53	 AMC - Canada	
54	 FOX (WUTV) Buffalo, NY	
55	 CHCH Hamilton, ON

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2012 10:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> BTW the WGN feed is the Chicago feed - NOT WGN America
>
>
> Yup - the way the Canadian regs are written, the "superstations" they're
> authorized to import are the local feeds from each city, so they get Chicago
> WGN, and they still get Channel 17 from Atlanta even though it's now WPCH,
> "Peachtree TV," and has nothing to do with TBS cable.
>
>
>>
>> Radio wise - 2 Boston signals can be faintly heard in the afternoon -
>> 850 and 1510 and at night they are like locals.
>>
>> 680 is there but fighting another signal - strongest AM signals
>> overall are 850, 880, 1210 and 1510.   660 is fighting with a local
>> CBC on 640.
>>
>> Oddly WBAL is getting wiped out by a sports station in either Ireland
>> or the UK ( Talk Sport )
>
>
> That's the 1089 kHz synchro network all across the UK. There's no
> medium-wave left in the Irish Republic.
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jun 30 01:06:31 2012
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:06:31 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
Message-ID: <4FEE8957.5010501@attorneyross.com>

On 6/29/2012 11:25 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote:

> There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while. Right 
> now the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s 
> songs playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a 
> handful of listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough to 
> get it fixed.

So it sounds like they're keeping the WODS call letters, so that the HD2 
programming can continue to be called WODS.  I assume the 103.3AMP 
programming is de-emphasizing call letters the way the Sports Hub does.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com




From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 02:22:00 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:22:00 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <4FEE8957.5010501@attorneyross.com>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
	<4FEE8957.5010501@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMgLR4TbqkfT99x0S_LkjDn2WZKveYeQkD6wRuSxy5sBg@mail.gmail.com>

Friend in North Carolina e-mailed me that CBS is considering sending
the WBCN calls back to 103.3 and put all the streams there and park
WODS in Charlotte on the AM where WBCN now lives.

Call letters mean NOTHING to the consumer anymore.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:06 AM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2012 11:25 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote:
>
>> There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while. Right now
>> the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s songs
>> playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a handful of
>> listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough to get it fixed.
>
>
> So it sounds like they're keeping the WODS call letters, so that the HD2
> programming can continue to be called WODS.  I assume the 103.3AMP
> programming is de-emphasizing call letters the way the Sports Hub does.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004
> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Jun 30 10:59:16 2012
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:59:16 -0400
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
References: <CABnTNsO+aHrz9i=+0tUqiApZBdwkW0+Sgdk571+FvFbUOuTihQ@mail.gmail.com><4FEE694D.8080707@fybush.com>
	<CABnTNsP+7oMdc3K=iM+0rSmpgoaBMFGRc2qcLB9Ydtc_CP_R0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0863319238048D8B27F7FCE45332719@PC281321418224>

The first 680 that came to mind was CFDR in Dartmouth (Halifax) NS. But AFAIK, CFDR is long dark. So, I suppose it could be Toronto, but that seems a bit, umm, remote, given the north-facing teardrop pattern.

---Dan
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin Vahey 
  To: Scott Fybush 
  Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland


  >>
  >> 680 is there but fighting another signal

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Jun 30 12:20:04 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:20:04 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
Message-ID: <67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>


On Jun 29, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote:

> There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while. Right now
> the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s songs
> playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a handful of
> listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough to get it fixed.
> 

How do you (or anyone) know how many listeners there are?

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sat Jun 30 13:24:54 2012
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:24:54 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
	<67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net>

> > There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while.
> Right
> > now the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s
> > songs playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a
> > handful of listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough
> to get it fixed.

It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the
shelves. Nobody other than us radio geeks are mentioning it on their
facebook page.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 13:29:23 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:29:23 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com><003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
	<67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D6ABBE5D5F9B4DB49DE7F9466F760458@s20035>

> How do you (or anyone) know how many listeners there are?

The HD2 signal is coded for Arbitron PPM......and the online listeners show 
up on server history/analysis/specs.



From theseacoast@maine.rr.com  Sat Jun 30 13:23:05 2012
From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:23:05 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
Message-ID: <52C0C1B65825470FB232C4B848494106@vpr1>

...and sometimes just a carrier and no audio (i.e. most of yesterday) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:25 PM
To: 'Bob DeMattia'; 'boston Radio Interest'
Subject: RE: 103.3 Playlist

> On another matter, what's the legal ID requirement for the HD2, HD3 
> channels?
> Currently, they are just saying "WODS HD2".  No "Boston" after it.
> 
> -Bob


There is a liner with "WODS HD2 Boston" Playing once in a while. Right now
the automation for it is in total disarray, with almost all 80s songs
playing, sometimes 4-5 jingles/liners in a row. There's only a handful of
listeners, and they certainly don't care about it enough to get it fixed.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA






From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Jun 30 13:58:23 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:58:23 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <D6ABBE5D5F9B4DB49DE7F9466F760458@s20035>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
	<67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
	<D6ABBE5D5F9B4DB49DE7F9466F760458@s20035>
Message-ID: <F3278F40-7790-456A-9463-08A69770489F@mac.com>


On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Don wrote:

>> How do you (or anyone) know how many listeners there are?
> 
> The HD2 signal is coded for Arbitron PPM......and the online listeners show up on server history/analysis/specs.

But not after one day!

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 14:38:01 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:38:01 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net><67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
	<000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net>
Message-ID: <E5FDFEFBE2F240098EC6A2A469C91FBF@s20035>

> It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the
> shelves.

I know a few "non-radio-geeks" who bought them to get WBCN....and an older 
couple who bought one to get WCRB on 89.7HD2 on the South Shore.

If the format/programming is compelling enough....such as a niche format 
that they dont have access to, then interest in HD2's pick up.

I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered Smooth 
Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it 
exists.

Whereas the Classical (89.7HD2) and WBCN (HD2) channels were 
promoted/mentioned in the paper on the news, etc., etc.,



From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Jun 30 15:12:56 2012
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:12:56 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <E5FDFEFBE2F240098EC6A2A469C91FBF@s20035>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net>
	<67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>
	<000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net>
	<E5FDFEFBE2F240098EC6A2A469C91FBF@s20035>
Message-ID: <214EDE35-2B17-499E-984B-2E744CFA108C@mac.com>


On Jun 30, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Don wrote:

> 
> I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered Smooth Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it exists.


The Jazz on WGBH is totally different from the so-called Smooth Jazz.  I doubt many of the WGBH Jazz listeners would be interested.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From lspin@comcast.net  Sat Jun 30 15:59:21 2012
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:59:21 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <E5FDFEFBE2F240098EC6A2A469C91FBF@s20035>
References: <CAMQUtR_vWgtZsH3F6NUs8VNbQRWTqs=kZsdjogZjfxvJJHHxmA@mail.gmail.com>	<003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net><67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com>	<000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net>
	<E5FDFEFBE2F240098EC6A2A469C91FBF@s20035>
Message-ID: <01cc01cd56fa$d78df570$86a9e050$@net>

I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And
'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably doesn't
appeal to those listeners.

And maybe a partnership between HD radio manufacturers and HD broadcasters
might relieve some of the advertising costs and benefit both.



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:38 PM
To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
Subject: Re: 103.3 Playlist

> It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the 
> shelves.

I know a few "non-radio-geeks" who bought them to get WBCN....and an older
couple who bought one to get WCRB on 89.7HD2 on the South Shore.

If the format/programming is compelling enough....such as a niche format
that they dont have access to, then interest in HD2's pick up.

I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered Smooth
Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it
exists.

Whereas the Classical (89.7HD2) and WBCN (HD2) channels were
promoted/mentioned in the paper on the news, etc., etc.,



From sids1045@aol.com  Sat Jun 30 16:43:20 2012
From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:43:20 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
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"I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And 'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably doesn't appeal to those listeners."

There will be no "casual mentions" on the main signal because no station owner with an ounce of brains is going to deliberately dilute an audience that shows in Arbitron by driving them to an HD secondary channel that doesn't show in the ratings, even if it's an HD secondary under the same ownership.


From lspin@comcast.net  Sat Jun 30 17:02:55 2012
From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:02:55 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
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I agree that it would be silly for stations to announce an alternate
programming source.  But I have heard WROR occasionally mention their
"Nothing but 70s" HD2 channel on the main signal.  My point is that a little
promotion in print, web or TV might breathe a little life into these dying
outlets.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sid Schweiger [mailto:sids1045@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:43 PM
To: Lou
Cc: Don; Jeff Lehmann; Larry Weil; boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: 103.3 Playlist

"I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And
'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably doesn't
appeal to those listeners."

There will be no "casual mentions" on the main signal because no station
owner with an ounce of brains is going to deliberately dilute an audience
that shows in Arbitron by driving them to an HD secondary channel that
doesn't show in the ratings, even if it's an HD secondary under the same
ownership.


From brscomm@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 17:51:13 2012
From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:51:13 -0500
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <01cc01cd56fa$d78df570$86a9e050$@net>
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Same out here. All the advertising is for the main channel, never for HD-2
or 3. If they don't promote it, how can they expect it to succeed?  I
periodically scan the band looking for new programming and there is quite a
bit of good stuff. How much extra could it cost to toss in a line or two
about it?


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Lou
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:59 PM
To: 'Don'; 'Jeff Lehmann'; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
Subject: RE: 103.3 Playlist

I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And
'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably doesn't
appeal to those listeners.

And maybe a partnership between HD radio manufacturers and HD broadcasters
might relieve some of the advertising costs and benefit both.



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:38 PM
To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
Subject: Re: 103.3 Playlist

> It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the 
> shelves.

I know a few "non-radio-geeks" who bought them to get WBCN....and an older
couple who bought one to get WCRB on 89.7HD2 on the South Shore.

If the format/programming is compelling enough....such as a niche format
that they dont have access to, then interest in HD2's pick up.

I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered Smooth
Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it
exists.

Whereas the Classical (89.7HD2) and WBCN (HD2) channels were
promoted/mentioned in the paper on the news, etc., etc.,



From markwa1ion@aol.com  Sat Jun 30 21:17:14 2012
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1341072000.22139.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.0.1341072000.22139.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
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<<
From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:49:49 -0400

On 6/29/2012 10:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
..

> Radio wise - 2 Boston signals can be faintly heard in the afternoon -
> 850 and 1510 and at night they are like locals.
>
> 680 is there but fighting another signal - strongest AM signals
> overall are 850, 880, 1210 and 1510. 660 is fighting with a local
> CBC on 640.
>
> Oddly WBAL is getting wiped out by a sports station in either Ireland
> or the UK ( Talk Sport )

That's the 1089 kHz synchro network all across the UK. There's no 
medium-wave left in the Irish Republic.
>>

Here is a recording of the 1089 kHz TalkSport UK station that I made at 
the salt-marsh in Rowley, MA (Stackyard Road site) in 2004:
http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/dx_audio/talksport_uk_1089.mp3

I think that Ireland still has low-power stations on 549, 846, 981, and 
1593 kHz.  You need very good propagation at a coastal receiving site 
to hear any of those.  Much more powerful stations from Algeria 
typically "own" 549 and 981 (sometimes knocking out 550 WDEV and 980 
WCAP out at Granite Pier in Rockport).

On Cape Cod when I null out WRKO, the Puerto Rican WAPA is #2 on 680, 
WPTF-NC #3, CFTR-ON #4, Cuba #5.  Maybe that helps.

The WRKO and WBZ patterns only put about 5 to 10 kW ERP that way as 
contrasted with 50+ for 850 and 1510 (which I had also noted at good 
strength in western Ireland just before local dawn on that end).

1210 is a local up there in NL: VOAR Mt. Pearl (adjacent to St. John's) 
so I doubt you'll hear Philly.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Sat Jun 30 23:12:25 2012
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:12:25 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
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WKLB occasionally mentions that classic country
HD2 channel.

-Bob


On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Bill <brscomm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Same out here. All the advertising is for the main channel, never for HD-2
> or 3. If they don't promote it, how can they expect it to succeed?  I
> periodically scan the band looking for new programming and there is quite a
> bit of good stuff. How much extra could it cost to toss in a line or two
> about it?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lou
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:59 PM
> To: 'Don'; 'Jeff Lehmann'; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
> Subject: RE: 103.3 Playlist
>
> I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And
> 'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably
> doesn't
> appeal to those listeners.
>
> And maybe a partnership between HD radio manufacturers and HD broadcasters
> might relieve some of the advertising costs and benefit both.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:38 PM
> To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
> Subject: Re: 103.3 Playlist
>
> > It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the
> > shelves.
>
> I know a few "non-radio-geeks" who bought them to get WBCN....and an older
> couple who bought one to get WCRB on 89.7HD2 on the South Shore.
>
> If the format/programming is compelling enough....such as a niche format
> that they dont have access to, then interest in HD2's pick up.
>
> I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered Smooth
> Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it
> exists.
>
> Whereas the Classical (89.7HD2) and WBCN (HD2) channels were
> promoted/mentioned in the paper on the news, etc., etc.,
>
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 22:26:53 2012
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:26:53 -0400
Subject: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
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Me bad but that certainly explains why 1210 was coming in strong. I
didn't realize that Mt Pearl was a suburb.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Mark Connelly <markwa1ion@aol.com> wrote:

> <<
> From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Boston stations on cable in St John's,Newfoundland
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:49:49 -0400
>
> On 6/29/2012 10:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:
> ..
>
>> Radio wise - 2 Boston signals can be faintly heard in the afternoon -
>> 850 and 1510 and at night they are like locals.
>>
>> 680 is there but fighting another signal - strongest AM signals
>> overall are 850, 880, 1210 and 1510. 660 is fighting with a local
>> CBC on 640.
>>
>> Oddly WBAL is getting wiped out by a sports station in either Ireland
>> or the UK ( Talk Sport )
>
> That's the 1089 kHz synchro network all across the UK. There's no medium-wave left in the Irish Republic.
>>>
>
> Here is a recording of the 1089 kHz TalkSport UK station that I made at the salt-marsh in Rowley, MA (Stackyard Road site) in 2004:
> http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/dx_audio/talksport_uk_1089.mp3
>
> I think that Ireland still has low-power stations on 549, 846, 981, and 1593 kHz.  You need very good propagation at a coastal receiving site to hear any of those.  Much more powerful stations from Algeria typically "own" 549 and 981 (sometimes knocking out 550 WDEV and 980 WCAP out at Granite Pier in Rockport).
>
> On Cape Cod when I null out WRKO, the Puerto Rican WAPA is #2 on 680, WPTF-NC #3, CFTR-ON #4, Cuba #5.  Maybe that helps.
>
> The WRKO and WBZ patterns only put about 5 to 10 kW ERP that way as contrasted with 50+ for 850 and 1510 (which I had also noted at good strength in western Ireland just before local dawn on that end).
>
> 1210 is a local up there in NL: VOAR Mt. Pearl (adjacent to St. John's) so I doubt you'll hear Philly.
>
> Mark Connelly, WA1ION
> South Yarmouth, MA
>


From rbello@belloassoc.com  Sat Jun 30 23:42:24 2012
From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:42:24 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
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WODS used to regularly run promos for The Cove - soft love songs - on WODS
HD2


On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>wrote:

> WKLB occasionally mentions that classic country
> HD2 channel.
>
> -Bob
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Bill <brscomm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Same out here. All the advertising is for the main channel, never for
> HD-2
> > or 3. If they don't promote it, how can they expect it to succeed?  I
> > periodically scan the band looking for new programming and there is
> quite a
> > bit of good stuff. How much extra could it cost to toss in a line or two
> > about it?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Lou
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:59 PM
> > To: 'Don'; 'Jeff Lehmann'; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
> > Subject: RE: 103.3 Playlist
> >
> > I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist.  And
> > 'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably
> > doesn't
> > appeal to those listeners.
> >
> > And maybe a partnership between HD radio manufacturers and HD
> broadcasters
> > might relieve some of the advertising costs and benefit both.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:38 PM
> > To: Jeff Lehmann; 'Larry Weil'; 'boston Radio Interest'
> > Subject: Re: 103.3 Playlist
> >
> > > It's pretty obvious that HD Radios haven't exactly been flying off the
> > > shelves.
> >
> > I know a few "non-radio-geeks" who bought them to get WBCN....and an
> older
> > couple who bought one to get WCRB on 89.7HD2 on the South Shore.
> >
> > If the format/programming is compelling enough....such as a niche format
> > that they dont have access to, then interest in HD2's pick up.
> >
> > I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered
> Smooth
> > Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even know it
> > exists.
> >
> > Whereas the Classical (89.7HD2) and WBCN (HD2) channels were
> > promoted/mentioned in the paper on the news, etc., etc.,
> >
> >
> >
>

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sat Jun 30 23:38:05 2012
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:38:05 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR8t_R_UY6XSYcKnDsn+gQ3Jf-gB6w_jWjXtSi-k94fQew@mail.gmail.com>
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> WKLB occasionally mentions that classic country
> HD2 channel.

Not anymore... it's gone, replaced with new country "The Wolf."

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 20:46:55 2012
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:46:55 -0400
Subject: 103.3 Playlist
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> On Jun 30, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Don wrote:
>
>>
>> I would have thought the Jazz cabal of Boston would have discovered 
>> Smooth Jazz on Magic's HD2 channel...but I don't think most people even 
>> know it exists.
>
>
> The Jazz on WGBH is totally different from the so-called Smooth Jazz.  I 
> doubt many of the WGBH Jazz listeners would be interested.

I meant the Jazz Cabal from the former WSJZ 96.9 and WOAZ 99.5.....that 
loved Smooth Jazz.