From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 1 00:14:00 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:14:00 -0400 Subject: 103.3 Playlist In-Reply-To: <01d901cd5703$b904a460$2b0ded20$@net> References: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net> <67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com> <000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net> <01cc01cd56fa$d78df570$86a9e050$@net> <01d901cd5703$b904a460$2b0ded20$@net> Message-ID: <4FEFCE88.5060706@attorneyross.com> On 6/30/2012 5:02 PM, Lou wrote: > I agree that it would be silly for stations to announce an alternate > programming source. But I have heard WROR occasionally mention their > "Nothing but 70s" HD2 channel on the main signal. My point is that a little > promotion in print, web or TV might breathe a little life into these dying > outlets. HD radio seems similar to what FM was in the 1960s, especially the early 1960s. Some stations just did simulcasts, some did separate programs on FM, and there were some stand-alone commercial FM stations, but the advertising for all of the FM outlets was very small. Apparently they were all just hanging on, waiting for FM to take off. Unfortunately, the stand-alone stations didn't quite make it until then, at least not without major changes in format. I observed once on LTAR that of the three commercial classical stations in Boston back then, WCRB was the survivor, and I'm convinced it was because for most of that time, they alone had an AM signal, especially at a time when almost nobody had FM in their cars. WXHR did eventually get an AM signal, very late in the game, but it was a daytime station (now WJIB), which was off the air during evening drive time all winter. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 1 01:17:52 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 01:17:52 -0400 Subject: 103.3 Playlist In-Reply-To: <001601cd573a$ecdf0190$c69d04b0$@net> References: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net> <67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com> <000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net> <01cc01cd56fa$d78df570$86a9e050$@net> <00b701cd570a$7832b150$689813f0$@yahoo.com> <001601cd573a$ecdf0190$c69d04b0$@net> Message-ID: For awhile WXKS 1200 has said "107.9-FM-HD2 is the FM home of Talk 1200" but I'm not sure if they still say that. I just tried them and only the regular signal of 107.9 shows up. We'll; find out in few weeks what CC will be doing with 101.7; one possibility that of course has been mentioned is simulcasting the 1200 talk...WODS just came in for me fine with their HD2. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 01:21:27 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 01:21:27 -0400 Subject: 103.3 Playlist References: <003201cd566f$ffcf32a0$ff6d97e0$@net><67FDB277-17CA-4DD2-91C5-502F4FF29CED@mac.com><000001cd56e5$43a44130$caecc390$@net><01cc01cd56fa$d78df570$86a9e050$@net> <01d901cd5703$b904a460$2b0ded20$@net> Message-ID: <4A1AA0FFD31C46829C0843C0B9879BD9@s20035> > "I never see advertising to let people know that these outlets exist. And > 'casual mentions' on the main signal can't count because it probably > doesn't > appeal to those listeners." > > There will be no "casual mentions" on the main signal because no station > owner with an ounce of brains is going to deliberately dilute an audience > that shows in Arbitron by driving them to an HD secondary channel that > doesn't show in the ratings, even if it's an HD secondary under the same > ownership. Really? No mentions? WODS made mention of it....WROR makes mention of it....Magic 106.7 makes mention of it. Does that mean CBS and Greater Media don't have "an ounce of brains"? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 5 03:18:02 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 03:18:02 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 Message-ID: Clear Channel is to take over WFNX 101.7 on 7/23 or so. Turns out domain http://www.Talk1017.com was registered on 7/3 to domains by proxy via GoDaddy and redirects to talk1200.com. Header says Talk101.7 Express Yourself. Could be...? Or maybe just throwing us off. Stay tuned... Who knows, but 101.7 may try Spanish lang., cons. talk, liberal talk or who knows. Cons talk could be on both there and 1200. Or maybe the AM goes Fox sports? One thing is for sure, CC wants to clear its cons. talkers like Rush.. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jul 5 08:54:50 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:54:50 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I also checked clearchannel.com. Every one of them is registered through MarkMonitor.com. So this, just like radio1017.com which redirects to mia1430, and is also not registered through MarkMonitor, is a bit suspicious. -Bob On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Clear Channel is to take over WFNX 101.7 on 7/23 or so. Turns out > domain http://www.Talk1017.com was registered on 7/3 to domains by > proxy via GoDaddy and redirects to talk1200.com. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 5 13:10:17 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:10:17 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, that could well be true which is why I can only say "nothing official yet". Usually if the registrant shows up it would be something like "amfm licensees". Have read on twitter that the radio1017.com, registered shortly after the news broke I believe, may be associated with a pirate station from New Hampshire. A search of the FCC site says that Clear Channel applied for the WFNX license on May 25; no word yet of approval. bostonradio tweet: "Radio1017,com is on the same dedicated server as the site for the "Party 87.9" pirate in New Hampshire if thats any indication" On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as > a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear > Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I > also checked clearchannel.com. > > Every one of them is registered through MarkMonitor.com. > > So this, just like radio1017.com which redirects to mia1430, > and is also not registered through MarkMonitor, is a bit > suspicious. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 5 16:10:21 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:10:21 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF5F4AD.3050905@attorneyross.com> On 7/5/2012 8:54 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as > a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear > Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I > also checked clearchannel.com. So what's wrong with GoDaddy? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 5 23:34:28 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:34:28 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <4FF5F4AD.3050905@attorneyross.com> References: <4FF5F4AD.3050905@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20470.23748.376928.616309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 7/5/2012 8:54 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as >> a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear >> Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I >> also checked clearchannel.com. > So what's wrong with GoDaddy? Other than being the Internet's low-rent district, you mean? -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jul 5 23:43:45 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:43:45 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <20470.23748.376928.616309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4FF5F4AD.3050905@attorneyross.com> <20470.23748.376928.616309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I have my domain names purchased through and hosted by godaddy.. have had them that way for 7 or more years and Im happy. Point is, Joseph.. is big companies like Clear Channel don't usually use places like godaddy. Paul On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < joe@attorneyross.com> said: > > > On 7/5/2012 8:54 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as > >> a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear > >> Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I > >> also checked clearchannel.com. > > > So what's wrong with GoDaddy? > > Other than being the Internet's low-rent district, you mean? > > -GAWollman > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jul 5 23:57:26 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:57:26 -0400 Subject: Talk1017.com redirects to talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <4FF5F4AD.3050905@attorneyross.com> <20470.23748.376928.616309@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: *Point is, Joseph.. is big companies like Clear Channel don't usually use * *places like godaddy.* That was my point. Compare the marketing style of MarkMonitor.com to GoDaddy.com. It's just a way to measure legitimacy of a new domain registration. And now, perhaps, back to a radio related topic :-) -Bob > Paul > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Garrett Wollman >wrote: > > > < > joe@attorneyross.com> said: > > > > > On 7/5/2012 8:54 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > >> Sounds kind of cheesy for Clear Channel to be using godaddy as > > >> a registration. I did a lookup on about a dozen known Clear > > >> Channel domains in Boston, Worcester, and other markets. I > > >> also checked clearchannel.com. > > > > > So what's wrong with GoDaddy? > > > > Other than being the Internet's low-rent district, you mean? > > > > -GAWollman > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 7 02:42:39 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 02:42:39 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public safety? Message-ID: As many of you know I was working the 4th of July at the Hatch Shell. At 9:30 the State Police gave the order to evacuate because of a possible major thunderstorm. I have just finished watching the DVR of the local broadcast on channel 4 and it is painfully obvious that Jack Williams and Lisa Hughes were very uncomfortable leading viewers into the sing-a-long that never happened on the 4th ( they went to tape from the rehearsal ) - Ten minutes later they finally admitted what was going on. I have been told that WBZ-AM also misled listeners but WGBH-FM did not. At 10 PM - the CBS national feed was taped until Jennifer Hudson's second number and then everything was live but the national feed did not really mention the drama at the shell. I believe that WBZ-TV at 9:30 should have told New York we are now handling this like a news story. Thoughts? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 7 17:12:30 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:12:30 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public safety? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been told WBZ RADIO was truthful on what was happening at the shell. I stand corrected. However - the TV audience was definitely mislead and the national audience was even led to believe the Pops played the 1812 on the 4th. The 4th concert as conceived by Arthur Fiedler has been ruined by CBS Television who simply want a nice 60 minute package at 10 PM. I don't blame WBZ-TV for this as they are following orders from New York. However the concert was far better when carried by WGBH and later WCVB. ( and shown nationally on A&E ) From sids1045@aol.com Sat Jul 7 18:11:48 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:11:48 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public safety? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F982F2F-673D-4EBD-A339-27BDF5934779@aol.com> The local audience was not misled at all. Jack Williams stated explicitly that the 1812 Overture would be aired from a tape of the July 3d rehearsal. Jack and Lisa Hughes briefly discussed the last time the July 4th concert was disrupted by weather. However, after 10PM the network audience was not told. Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have been told WBZ RADIO was truthful on what was happening at the shell. > I stand corrected. > > However - the TV audience was definitely mislead and the national audience > was even led to believe the Pops played the 1812 on the 4th. > > The 4th concert as conceived by Arthur Fiedler has been ruined by CBS > Television who simply want a nice 60 minute package at 10 PM. I don't blame > WBZ-TV for this as they are following orders from New York. However the > concert was far better when carried by WGBH and later WCVB. ( and shown > nationally on A&E ) From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:15:40 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:15:40 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public safety? In-Reply-To: <6F982F2F-673D-4EBD-A339-27BDF5934779@aol.com> References: <6F982F2F-673D-4EBD-A339-27BDF5934779@aol.com> Message-ID: Sid They NEVER said the sing-a-long was on tape. Just watching the tape you can see Lisa was very upset at what they were doing. Only after the sing-a-long did they admit what had happened. The tape even shows the Hancock on steady blue when it had changed to red an hour before. On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The local audience was not misled at all. Jack Williams stated explicitly > that the 1812 Overture would be aired from a tape of the July 3d rehearsal. > Jack and Lisa Hughes briefly discussed the last time the July 4th concert > was disrupted by weather. > > However, after 10PM the network audience was not told. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > I have been told WBZ RADIO was truthful on what was happening at the > shell. > > I stand corrected. > > > > However - the TV audience was definitely mislead and the national > audience > > was even led to believe the Pops played the 1812 on the 4th. > > > > The 4th concert as conceived by Arthur Fiedler has been ruined by CBS > > Television who simply want a nice 60 minute package at 10 PM. I don't > blame > > WBZ-TV for this as they are following orders from New York. However the > > concert was far better when carried by WGBH and later WCVB. ( and shown > > nationally on A&E ) > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 8 00:42:13 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 00:42:13 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public safety? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF90FA5.6060701@attorneyross.com> I don't know what would be so wrong with telling the audience -- local and national -- that there's been rain or that they're showing a tape of the rehearsal. I suspect that a lot of people wouldn't care one way or another, but they shouldn't be dishonest about it. This isn't the first time CBS has done strange things. During the Gulf War, when Israel was hit by Iraqi missiles, Dan Rather reported that an Israeli retaliation was under way. He kept it up for some time, while other networks were saying nothing about an Israeli retaliation. There was no Israeli retaliation. Eventually Dan Rather stopped reporting it, but he never corrected his earlier reports. I've told this story before, but in January 1979, the day Ed King was inaugurated as governor, I was on the State House Steps, along with other Dukakis supporters for the outgoing governor's traditional walk down the front stairs. I also had a transistor radio in my pocket with an earpiece in one ear. At noon, Dukakis came down the front stairs, and at the same time WEEI cut away from local coverage for the CBS network news. By the time the network news was over, the crowd was disbursing, and many of us were following Dukakis down to the Greek restaurant near Faneuil Hall where the party was to be held. And WEEI said that Dukakis was about to take his walk down the front stairs of the State House. And they pretended to be carrying it live. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From attychase@comcast.net Sun Jul 8 13:00:23 2012 From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Chase) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 13:00:23 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public References: Message-ID: Joe: Hasn't this sort of nonsense been illegal ever since the Orson Welles War of the World incident? > This isn't the first time CBS has done strange things. > > During the Gulf War, when Israel was hit by Iraqi missiles, Dan Rather > reported that an Israeli retaliation was under way. He kept it up for > some time, while other networks were saying nothing about an Israeli > retaliation. There was no Israeli retaliation. Eventually Dan Rather > stopped reporting it, but he never corrected his earlier reports. > > I've told this story before, but in January 1979, the day Ed King was > inaugurated as governor, I was on the State House Steps, along with > other Dukakis supporters for the outgoing governor's traditional walk > down the front stairs. I also had a transistor radio in my pocket with > an earpiece in one ear. At noon, Dukakis came down the front stairs, > and at the same time WEEI cut away from local coverage for the CBS > network news. By the time the network news was over, the crowd was > disbursing, and many of us were following Dukakis down to the Greek > restaurant near Faneuil Hall where the party was to be held. And WEEI > said that Dukakis was about to take his walk down the front stairs of > the State House. And they pretended to be carrying it live. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 9 01:13:32 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:13:32 -0400 Subject: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FFA687C.5000301@attorneyross.com> On 7/8/2012 1:00 PM, Attorney Chase wrote: > Joe: > > Hasn't this sort of nonsense been illegal ever since the Orson Welles > War of the World incident? I don't know if it was a law, but I know that for awhile after that broadcast, the method of doing a dramatic show with simulated newscasts was banned, by the networks if not by the government. But what I described was not that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From attychase@comcast.net Mon Jul 9 13:42:27 2012 From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Chase) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:42:27 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 160 References: Message-ID: <527622D2D8E347B685545D807177110F@HOMEOFFICE> I suppose your right, otherwise Reagan wouldn't have been able to do his simulated announcing of ballgames although that probably happened before War of the Worlds. There was an "announcer" for the Brooklyn Dodgers who did the same thing from a radio studio in Washington DC. Nathan Matthew "Nat" Allbright (November 26, 1923 - July 18, 2011) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Allbright Although the police seized all but one of the scripts after the War of the Worlds broadcast as "evidence of a crime" apparently no one was charged. I'll bet with some of the harassment and other laws extant today some DA would try to expand the envelope and bring some type of charges if the same type of thing as War of the Worlds happened today. Not saying it would pass muster under the 1st Amendment, just saying some DA would at least try it. > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:13:32 -0400 > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Did WBZ-TV cross the line on July 4th concerning public > Message-ID: <4FFA687C.5000301@attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 7/8/2012 1:00 PM, Attorney Chase wrote: > >> Joe: >> >> Hasn't this sort of nonsense been illegal ever since the Orson Welles >> War of the World incident? > > I don't know if it was a law, but I know that for awhile after that > broadcast, the method of doing a dramatic show with simulated newscasts > was banned, by the networks if not by the government. But what I > described was not that. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 10 00:48:31 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:48:31 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 160 In-Reply-To: <527622D2D8E347B685545D807177110F@HOMEOFFICE> References: <527622D2D8E347B685545D807177110F@HOMEOFFICE> Message-ID: <4FFBB41F.50100@attorneyross.com> On 7/9/2012 1:42 PM, Attorney Chase wrote: > I suppose your right, otherwise Reagan wouldn't have been able to do his simulated announcing of ballgames although that probably happened before War of the Worlds. There was an "announcer" for the Brooklyn Dodgers who did the same thing from a radio studio in Washington DC. Nathan Matthew "Nat" Allbright (November 26, 1923 - July 18, 2011) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Allbright That's not the same thing either. Simulated announcing of ballgames was quite common in the early days of radio, when travel and remote communications were not as readily available as now. Donna probably can provide much more details, but I don't think anyone pretended that the announcer was broadcasting live from the actual event. I remember hearing one such broadcast circa 1949-1950. There would be some clicking of a machine, and then the announcer would say what just happened at the game. My father explained to me that the clicking was from a teletype machine or ticker-tape or some such, and the announcer was sitting in a studio in Boston, repeating the information that he was getting from the machine. I didn't understand it then, but more recently I've read about such things. Sometimes this was done by an announcer repeating what someone at the game was telling him by telephone. Some announcers could do a very good job of getting excited the way someone actually seeing the game would. But this sort of recreation was not the same thing as the realistic simulation of news bulletins that was done on the War of the Worlds broadcast. > Although the police seized all but one of the scripts after the War of the Worlds broadcast as "evidence of a crime" apparently no one was charged. I'll bet with some of the harassment and other laws extant today some DA would try to expand the envelope and bring some type of charges if the same type of thing as War of the Worlds happened today. Not saying it would pass muster under the 1st Amendment, just saying some DA would at least try it. I wouldn't be surprised if some DA somewhere tried to prosecute something like this, but at some point, they'd have to have some law on their side, or they'd see the case dismissed. And they might even be sued for malicious prosecution. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From tk41c@aol.com Tue Jul 10 08:16:06 2012 From: tk41c@aol.com (tk41c@aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <8CF2CACEA7D2334-1580-8EC@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> http://www.eventosintegrales.com.mx/nvlauty.html?yai=bghyyty From tk41c@aol.com Tue Jul 10 08:18:04 2012 From: tk41c@aol.com (tk41c@aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <8CF2CAD30E30AE7-1580-92C@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> http://gacowka.net/golrua.html?aa=kconpi From tk41c@aol.com Tue Jul 10 08:18:06 2012 From: tk41c@aol.com (tk41c@aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <8CF2CAD32304BF3-1580-92E@webmail-stg-d12.sysops.aol.com> http://zominthos.org/rumyn.html?aj=fiukuk From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Jul 10 12:12:17 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:12:17 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161 References: Message-ID: <3CC65DA332914044B6CEF8500815B7E7@YOURbcbbe822ed> Looks as if we have a spammer joining us today. My Kaspersky anti-virus blocked access saying the link redirected to a Trojan. This seems to be a first. Please don't open them. Good luck, Ted 3. (tk41c@aol.com) 4. (tk41c@aol.com) 5. 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(tk41c@aol.com) > 4. (tk41c@aol.com) > 5. (tk41c@aol.com) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Boston-Radio-Interest mailing list > Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > http://lists.BostonRadio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest > From ewerme@comcast.net Tue Jul 10 20:42:20 2012 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: War of the Worlds program(s) et al Message-ID: <20120711004220.A9F1A6D536@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> IIRC, one of the consequences of the 1938 program was that the FCC prohibited the word "bulletin" outside of newscasts. Wikipedia sort of agrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS The flood of publicity after the broadcast had two effects: an FCC ban on faux news bulletins within dramatic programming, and sponsorship for The Mercury Theatre on the Air - the former sustaining program became The Campbell Playhouse .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama) CBS is believed to have had to promise never again to use "we interrupt this program" for dramatic effect.[citation needed] However, many radio commercials to this day do start with the phrase "We interrupt this program". However, the FCC seems to say they made no such attempt to throttle free speech in http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2003/fall/war-of-worlds.html The FCC had been established just four years earlier, by the Communications Act of 1934, to regulate interstate and international communications. Its establishment reflected the growing importance of radio in American life. Although the law specifically prohibited the commission from censoring broadcast material or from making any regulation that would interfere with freedom of expression in broadcasting, these restrictions were either misunderstood or overlooked by nearly 60 percent of those who contacted the FCC. A news item at http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/Radio/Newspapers/Nov07/Heads.html suggests there was was at least informal pressure: In announcing the conference, McNinch (FCC person who told the radio networks to attend) said: "I have heard the opinion often expressed within the industry as well as outside that the practice of using 'flash,' as well as 'bulletin,' is overworked and results in misleading the public. It is hoped and believed that a discussion on this subject may lead to a clearer differentiation between bonafide news matter of first rank importance and that which is of only ordinary importance or which finds place in dramatics or advertising." One good account of a 1968 recreation is at http://wkbwradio.com/warintro.htm where they found a new way to succeed too well: However, Jeff Kaye soon found out that his KB staff of reporters and disc jockeys were not quite up to the standards of the original Mercury Theatre on the Air actors. Faced with airing a collection of amateurish readings by his staff, Kaye decided to allow the reporters to be themselves and have them report on the invasion as though it was actually occurring. ... This new approach not only worked better than following a written script, it scared the hell out of thousands of listeners. Umm, I seem to recall that we're not supposed to quote other sites due to copyright concerns. These are all small fragments (and constitute fair use) or Wikipedia stuff. Apologies to any lines transgressed. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 10 21:23:59 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:23:59 -0400 Subject: War of the Worlds program(s) et al In-Reply-To: <20120711004220.A9F1A6D536@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20120711004220.A9F1A6D536@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20476.54703.366081.801565@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > IIRC, one of the consequences of the 1938 program was that the FCC > prohibited the word "bulletin" outside of newscasts. Wikipedia sort of > agrees: [...] > A news item at > http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/Radio/Newspapers/Nov07/Heads.html > suggests there was was at least informal pressure: > In announcing the conference, McNinch (FCC person who told the radio > networks to attend) Frank McNinch was the Chairman of the FCC, and a confidant of FDR; you better believe that when he invited CBS, NBC, and Mutual to a meeting, they took it as an order. He resigned in 1939 and was replaced by James Lawrence "Larry" Fly, who was responsible for the introduction of the duopoly rule, the national ownership cap, the NTSC, and his dustups with Congress; Fly was later chairman of the ACLU. Go to americanradiohistory.com and read through some of the old issues of /Broadcasting/ from that era -- you will learn an enormous amount about the politics of the day. -GAWollman From HeritageRadio@msn.com Wed Jul 11 02:27:55 2012 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:27:55 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS Message-ID: No, radio never "banned" radio dramas with simulated newscasts included. The "War of the Worlds" incident was largely overblown and only a fraction of the "aftermath stories" ever actually happened. Most people agreed with CBS that it was very obvious the story was a radio play - an adaptation of H. G. Wells' famed story. In the "golden days" of radio there were hundreds of dramas that were compelling in their reality, and used many devices to do so. The Mercury Theater On The Air became famous as a result of that single program and soon was sponsored by Campbell Soup and became The Campbell Theater that also became famous for their yearly presentation of "A Christmas Carol" with Orson Welles and Lionel Barrymore. Tom Heathwoof - Heritage Radio Theatre - (http://www.vintageradioclassics.com/broadcast/) From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 11 03:14:25 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:14:25 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> On 7/11/2012 2:27 AM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > No, radio never "banned" radio dramas with simulated newscasts included. The "War of the Worlds" incident was largely overblown > In fact, if you lived in Boston, you had no idea what the fuss was all about. The CBS affiliate, WEEI, chose not to air the Mercury Theater, due to lack of listener response. Instead, they aired a sponsored program. If you wanted to hear War of the Worlds, you had to pull in the CBS affiliate in Providence. And yes, Tom is right-- today, with the benefit of hindsight and some accurate research, we know much of the "panic in the streets" narrative was in fact exaggerated. But 1938-39 was the era when scholars and media critics were worried about the effect of radio on impressionable youth-- there was fear that the kind of propaganda being done by Hitler in Germany might be used to sway American young people. The narrative that War of the Worlds "proved" how dangerous radio could be became very popular in the press; it especially resonated with people who were already worried that radio was potentially harmful and wanted to see some better programs (more educational) on the air. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jul 11 09:11:40 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:11:40 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: > > > In fact, if you lived in Boston, you had no idea what the fuss was all > about. The CBS affiliate, WEEI, chose not to air the Mercury Theater, due > to lack of listener response. Instead, they aired a sponsored program. If > you wanted to hear War of the Worlds, you had to pull in the CBS affiliate > in Providence. Would WCBS NY have carried the program? I would think 880 would have been pretty easy to receive. -Bob From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 11 09:42:44 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:42:44 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Would WCBS NY have carried the program? I would think 880 would have been > pretty easy to receive. At that time, it would have been WABC and on 860. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 11 09:43:14 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:43:14 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4FFD82F2.7010809@fybush.com> On 7/11/2012 9:11 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Would WCBS NY have carried the program? I would think 880 would have been > pretty easy to receive. The nitpicker in me is compelled to note that in 1938, the CBS flagship station in New York was on 860 (since the NARBA shift was still two and a half years away), and it was still called WABC :) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 11 10:11:07 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:11:07 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> IIRC, The _old_ (that is, 860 and maybe 880) WABC originally (at least from the time it increased power to 50 kW) transmitted from a site in NJ (maybe Bound Brook, but maybe that was WJZ 760/770, which became today's WABC). From NJ, the 860/880 WABC moved to Columbia Island, a man-made island in Long Island Sound off the coast of the Bronx. From there, the 880 station moved to its current site, also on an island (close to City Island), but not a man-made one, also off the coast of the Bronx. Can anyone tell us which site the 860/880 WABC was using in 1938 and also what New Jersey town its transmitter was in, if it wasn't Bound Brook. Oh, and also, what is the proper name of the island (near City Island) on which the diplexed 660/880 tower is now located? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Bob DeMattia Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS < said: > Would WCBS NY have carried the program? I would think 880 would have been > pretty easy to receive. At that time, it would have been WABC and on 860. -GAWollman From rbello@belloassoc.com Wed Jul 11 11:10:32 2012 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:10:32 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> Message-ID: Current location is High Island in The Bronx Looking at the site on Google Maps there appears to be another tower on the island. Shorter and thinner. Any one know who that belongs To ? On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Oh, and also, what is the proper name of the island (near City Island) on > which the diplexed 660/880 tower is now located? > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > > From sids1045@aol.com Wed Jul 11 10:55:57 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> "Can anyone tell us which site the 860/880 WABC was using in 1938 and also what New Jersey town its transmitter was in, if it wasn't Bound rook." It was Bound Brook. "Oh, and also, what is the proper name of the island (near City Island) on which the diplexed 660/880 tower is now located?" High Island. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 11 11:35:55 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:35:55 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <20477.40283.710623.238834@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Current location is High Island in The Bronx > Looking at the site on Google Maps there appears to be another tower on the > island. > Shorter and thinner. Any one know who that belongs To ? It's a backup for 660 and 880. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 11 11:12:32 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:12:32 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <4FFD97E0.7090502@fybush.com> On 7/11/2012 11:10 AM, Ron Bello wrote: > Current location is High Island in The Bronx > > Looking at the site on Google Maps there appears to be another tower on the > island. > Shorter and thinner. Any one know who that belongs To ? > That's an aux tower shared by WFAN and WCBS. The previous WABC/WCBS sites were on Columbia Island, and before that in Wayne, NJ. The Wayne tower was a Blaw-Knox diamond and is believed to be the first vertical series-fed tower in use in the US. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 11 11:57:57 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:57:57 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com><20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <20477.40283.710623.238834@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <822F080D467E446AA1CC008CBBF5D682@PC281321418224> The second tower on High Island is the (also diplexed) WFAN/WCBS aux. I forget the licensed power but it's in the 25 to 35 kW area. WCBS's aux is not allowed to run the full daytime aux power at night because the FCC says that doing so would cause first-adjacent interference to WAMG. How's that? I can hear you asking; WCBS runs a full 50 kW at night from its main tower. The apparent answer is that the shorter aux tower is less efficient and therefore produces greater high-angle skywave. Hard to believe, though, that the high-angle skywave with 25 or so kW into the ~1/4-wave aux antenna could be greater than the high-angle skywave with 50-kW into into the 207-degree (at 880) main tower. But, maybe. Anyhow, WFAN has no such restriction because WSRO is (and will still be after its forthcoming power increase) a Class D, which gets no protection from skywave, whereas WAMG is a Class B with an NIF of 12.5 mV/m (mostly contributed by WLS). ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Ron Bello Cc: boston-radio-interest Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:35 AM Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS < said: > Current location is High Island in The Bronx > Looking at the site on Google Maps there appears to be another tower on the > island. > Shorter and thinner. Any one know who that belongs To ? It's a backup for 660 and 880. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 11 12:09:31 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:09:31 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <4FFD97E0.7090502@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1904EB9CD4914CD3A79C67538F2E653C@PC281321418224> So am I correct in believing that if 860 was in Wayne, it was 760 that was in Bound Brook? If memory serves, Bound Brook is in central NJ. Even with 50 kW and the dynamite soil conductivity in most of NJ, WJZ must have been at a signal disadvantage in the five boroughs relative to its competition. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS On 7/11/2012 11:10 AM, Ron Bello wrote: > Current location is High Island in The Bronx > > Looking at the site on Google Maps there appears to be another tower on the > island. > Shorter and thinner. Any one know who that belongs To ? > That's an aux tower shared by WFAN and WCBS. The previous WABC/WCBS sites were on Columbia Island, and before that in Wayne, NJ. The Wayne tower was a Blaw-Knox diamond and is believed to be the first vertical series-fed tower in use in the US. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 11 12:22:15 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:22:15 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com><20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: But WAS it Bound Brook? Scott Fybush says Wayne. Gets confusing because of two NYC stations use (at different times) of the WABC calls. So we are left with the question of which WABC was in Bound Brook (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time) and which WABC was in Wayne (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time, either). ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS "Can anyone tell us which site the 860/880 WABC was using in 1938 and also what New Jersey town its transmitter was in, if it wasn't Bound rook." It was Bound Brook. "Oh, and also, what is the proper name of the island (near City Island) on which the diplexed 660/880 tower is now located?" High Island. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 11 14:46:23 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:46:23 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com><20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> On 7/11/2012 12:22 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But WAS it Bound Brook? Scott Fybush says Wayne. Gets confusing because > of two NYC stations use (at different times) of the WABC calls. So we > are left with the question of which WABC was in Bound Brook (even though > neither station had the WABC calls at that time) and which WABC was in > Wayne (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time, either). > There is no question. The history is very clear on this. The station that was in Bound Brook until 1943 was the 760/770 Blue Network facility then known as WJZ and today known as WABC. (It's still using the tower from Bound Brook, in fact - in 1943, it was dismantled and moved to the current site in Lodi). The station that was in Wayne from 1932 until 1940 was the 860 CBS facility then known as WABC and today known as WCBS on 880. (NBC's 660, meanwhile, was moving around Long Island from Bellmore to Port Jefferson before diplexing on High Island with WCBS in 1963.) s From seth@upsidemedia.com Wed Jul 11 13:33:33 2012 From: seth@upsidemedia.com (Upsidemedia) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:33:33 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, since I used to live in Wayne, does anyone know where in the town the transmitter might have been? It was a rural town back then, that developed mostly post-war except for farms and summer communities. But, I can think of a few spots that might have been ideal. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:22 PM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > But WAS it Bound Brook? Scott Fybush says Wayne. Gets confusing because of two NYC stations use (at different times) of the WABC calls. So we are left with the question of which WABC was in Bound Brook (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time) and which WABC was in Wayne (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time, either). > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sid Schweiger > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS > > > > > "Can anyone tell us which site the 860/880 WABC was using in 1938 and also what New Jersey town its transmitter was in, if it wasn't Bound > rook." > It was Bound Brook. > > "Oh, and also, what is the proper name of the island (near City Island) on which the diplexed 660/880 tower is now located?" > > High Island. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 11 15:27:33 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:27:33 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20477.54181.207808.502876@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There is no question. The history is very clear on this. The station > that was in Bound Brook until 1943 was the 760/770 Blue Network facility > then known as WJZ and today known as WABC. (It's still using the tower > from Bound Brook, in fact - in 1943, it was dismantled and moved to the > current site in Lodi). The station that was in Wayne from 1932 until > 1940 was the 860 CBS facility then known as WABC and today known as WCBS > on 880. RCA was able to get permission to move WJZ on the grounds that there was an OWI shortwave transmitter station in Bound Brook as well, and the OWI wanted to install more transmitters there. Most other broadcast construction was prohibited under the war materials rationing rules. I suppose it worked out OK, since Blue (later ABC) ended up with the Lodi site and RCA kept Bound Brook. > (NBC's 660, meanwhile, was moving around Long Island from Bellmore to > Port Jefferson before diplexing on High Island with WCBS in 1963.) Bellmore was also a transatlatic shortwave site. -GAWollman From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Jul 11 15:48:40 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:48:40 -0400 Subject: War of the worlds Message-ID: <3829FA43C928480989DCF8D5C0654B21@chrisHP> My source on the following was both Bob Hallenbeck the former Harris Northeast sales Rep and Art Silver who previously worked for Collins before moving to Harris. CBS owned WABC 860 used what is now the WADO diamond shaped Knox Blaw tower and building on Patterson Plank road in Carlstadt. In an earlier renovation as well as the 50 KW upgrade at WADO the CBS evidence was everywhere. It is possible that the tower itself was once in Wayne and moved to Carlstadt. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jul 11 16:37:48 2012 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161 (Ted Larsen) Message-ID: <4a605.51986653.3d2f3e1c@aol.com> Perhaps an unintentional spammer. TK-41C belongs to Jay Ballard. Probably had his account compromised. Mike >>>Looks as if we have a spammer joining us today. My Kaspersky anti-virus blocked access saying the link redirected to a Trojan. This seems to be a first. Please don't open them. Good luck, Ted 3. (tk41c@aol.com) 4. (tk41c@aol.com) 5. (_tk41c@aol.com_ (mailto:tk41c@aol.com) )<<< From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 11 16:37:38 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:37:38 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com><20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> Message-ID: The WEAF site may have been in Port Jefferson but the air talent always referred to it as being in Port Washington. The site (let's just call it Port President ;>) was a fair distance further from the five boroughs than High Island is but WEAF/WNBC/WRCA et al, used a simple two-tower array ro mildly enhance the signal to the west. Also, the path to the Bronx, northern Queens, and Manhattan's east side was salt water all the way. What with solid granite in Manhattan, the signal on Manhattan's west side was not good, notwithstanding the high power, low frequency, favorable DA, and all of the salt water. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ; Sid Schweiger Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: Re: WAR OF THE WORLDS On 7/11/2012 12:22 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But WAS it Bound Brook? Scott Fybush says Wayne. Gets confusing because > of two NYC stations use (at different times) of the WABC calls. So we > are left with the question of which WABC was in Bound Brook (even though > neither station had the WABC calls at that time) and which WABC was in > Wayne (even though neither station had the WABC calls at that time, either). > There is no question. The history is very clear on this. The station that was in Bound Brook until 1943 was the 760/770 Blue Network facility then known as WJZ and today known as WABC. (It's still using the tower from Bound Brook, in fact - in 1943, it was dismantled and moved to the current site in Lodi). The station that was in Wayne from 1932 until 1940 was the 860 CBS facility then known as WABC and today known as WCBS on 880. (NBC's 660, meanwhile, was moving around Long Island from Bellmore to Port Jefferson before diplexing on High Island with WCBS in 1963.) s From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Jul 11 18:19:07 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:19:07 -0400 Subject: War o fthe worlds Message-ID: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> I should have said what WAS the the Knox Blaw diamond shaped tower, it was replaced with a self supporter and two additional small SS towers were added during the 50 KW rebuild. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 11 21:12:27 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:12:27 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com><20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4FFE247B.4080801@fybush.com> On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The WEAF site may have been in Port Jefferson but the air talent always > referred to it as being in Port Washington. Port Washington is correct. I was mistaken. > What with solid granite in Manhattan, the signal on Manhattan's > west side was not good, notwithstanding the high power, low frequency, > favorable DA, and all of the salt water. Which didn't stop the NBC/RCA publicity machine from touting 660's "Salt Water Way"! s From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 11 21:50:47 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:50:47 -0400 Subject: WAR OF THE WORLDS In-Reply-To: <4FFE247B.4080801@fybush.com> References: <4FFD27D1.8080608@donnahalper.com> <20477.33492.982887.462759@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <728A4042F5534115ADE03FB033E20513@PC281321418224> <8CF2D8C6961FBAA-1DA4-7712B@webmail-d171.sysops.aol.com> <4FFDC9FF.3030100@fybush.com> <4FFE247B.4080801@fybush.com> Message-ID: I would love to know the story on how 2 bitter rivals, WNBC - WCBS, decided to use a joint facility in the Bronx. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 7/11/2012 4:37 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> The WEAF site may have been in Port Jefferson but the air talent always >> referred to it as being in Port Washington. >> > > Port Washington is correct. I was mistaken. > > > What with solid granite in Manhattan, the signal on Manhattan's >> west side was not good, notwithstanding the high power, low frequency, >> favorable DA, and all of the salt water. >> > > Which didn't stop the NBC/RCA publicity machine from touting 660's "Salt > Water Way"! > > s > From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 11 21:09:56 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:09:56 -0400 Subject: War o fthe worlds In-Reply-To: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> References: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> Message-ID: <4FFE23E4.6000800@fybush.com> On 7/11/2012 6:19 PM, Chris Hall wrote: > I should have said what WAS the the Knox Blaw diamond shaped tower, it was replaced with a self supporter > and two additional small SS towers were added during the 50 KW rebuild. The WNEW/WOV/WADO Blaw-Knox on Paterson Plank Road was absolutely not the same tower that WABC (WCBS) used in Wayne. The tower in Wayne was much taller - 600+ feet - and it existed at the same time as the much shorter WNEW 1250 tower was going up in Carlstadt (1934). The original *transmitter* at the Carlstadt site in 1934 did indeed come from WABC out in Wayne; it was the 5 kW transmitter that had been supplanted by the new 50 kW transmitter in Wayne. That probably explains the "CBS" and "WABC" labels you saw around the Carlstadt site. (And to head off the confusion that's sure to follow the "WNEW" mention above: the WNEW calls originally were on 1250, when WAAM and WODA combined to form a new station in 1934. The NARBA shift in 1941 moved WNEW to 1280, but it didn't stay there long; in December 1941 WNEW swapped frequencies with sister station WOV, broadcasting from Kearney on 1130. The WOV calls stayed on 1280 until 1960 or thereabouts, when it became WADO.) s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 11 22:05:53 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:05:53 -0400 Subject: War o fthe worlds In-Reply-To: <4FFE23E4.6000800@fybush.com> References: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> <4FFE23E4.6000800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20478.12545.422319.664719@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > (And to head off the confusion that's sure to follow the "WNEW" mention > above: the WNEW calls originally were on 1250, when WAAM and WODA > combined to form a new station in 1934. The NARBA shift in 1941 moved > WNEW to 1280, but it didn't stay there long; in December 1941 WNEW > swapped frequencies with sister station WOV, broadcasting from Kearney > on 1130. The WOV calls stayed on 1280 until 1960 or thereabouts, when it > became WADO.) And to bring it closer to home, the ownership group at the time of the swap was Arde Bulova and Harold Lafount, who also had stations in Boston and Philadelphia. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 12 10:31:32 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:31:32 -0400 Subject: The most impactful television events of the last 50 years Message-ID: This list bothers me - I know age is a factor but still. To me one of the most shocking out of the blue TV events happened during a Patriots game in 1980. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n73GFvAyIjs For us older fossils there are several that would make the list RFK shot. LBJ announces he is not running. Landing on the Moon. Oswald shot. Nixon calls it quits. The most impactful television events of the last 50 years, as measured in a survey conducted by Nielsen and Sony Electronics. The rankings are based on a questionnaire of consumers about events they had watched, if they remember where they were and if they discussed the events with others. 1. Sept. 11 terrorist attacks (2001). 2. Hurricane Katrina (2005). 3. The O.J. Simpson verdict (1995). 4. The Challenger space shuttle explodes (1986). 5. Death of Osama bin Laden (2011). 6. The O.J. Simpson White Bronco chase (1994). 7. The Japanese earthquake and tsunami (2011). 8. Columbine school shooting (1999). 9. BP oil spill in Gulf of Mexico (2010). 10. Princess Diana's funeral (1997). 11. Death of Whitney Houston (2012). 12. Capture and execution of Saddam Hussein (2006). 13. Barack Obama Election Night speech (2008) 14. Wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton (2011). 15. John F. Kennedy assassination (1963). 16. Oklahoma City bombing (1995). 17. Bush/Gore disputed election (2000). 18. Los Angeles riots, Rodney King beating (1992). 19. Casey Anthony murder trial verdict (2011). 20. John F. Kennedy funeral (1963) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 12 11:27:59 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:27:59 -0400 Subject: War o fthe worlds References: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> <4FFE23E4.6000800@fybush.com> Message-ID: That suggests that, when WNEW and WOV swapped frequencies and Tx sites, a second tower must have been added in South Kearney. I think 1250 was originally ND-U (5 kW-D/1 kW-N) and probably became 5 kW DA-1 only later (requiring the addition of a second tower in Carlstadt). A second tower for 1250 in Kearney would not have been in the right place for 1130, which was (and still is) deeply nulled to the southwest at night to protect co-channel Class A KWKH in Shreveport LA. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: War o fthe worlds (And to head off the confusion that's sure to follow the "WNEW" mention above: the WNEW calls originally were on 1250, when WAAM and WODA combined to form a new station in 1934. The NARBA shift in 1941 moved WNEW to 1280, but it didn't stay there long; in December 1941 WNEW swapped frequencies with sister station WOV, broadcasting from Kearney on 1130. The WOV calls stayed on 1280 until 1960 or thereabouts, when it became WADO.) s From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 12 11:52:30 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:52:30 -0400 Subject: War o fthe worlds In-Reply-To: References: <0D4FC7F81090409A950DF4B2E8F230B0@chrisHP> <4FFE23E4.6000800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4FFEF2BE.3090409@fybush.com> On 7/12/2012 11:27 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > That suggests that, when WNEW and WOV swapped frequencies and Tx sites, > a second tower must have been added in South Kearney. I think 1250 was > originally ND-U (5 kW-D/1 kW-N) and probably became 5 kW DA-1 only later > (requiring the addition of a second tower in Carlstadt). A second tower > for 1250 in Kearney would not have been in the right place for 1130, > which was (and still is) deeply nulled to the southwest at night to > protect co-channel Class A KWKH in Shreveport LA. No, no, no - the only things that swapped in December 1941 were the callsigns. WNEW 1280, broadcasting from Carlstadt, became WOV. WOV 1130, broadcasting from South Kearney, became WNEW. The South Kearney site was never on 1250 (1280), and the Carlstadt site was never on 1130 (or 1100). The second tower for 1280 in Carlstadt was definitely added later on. I'd have to do some more digging to figure out when the Kearney 1130 array arrived at its final two-tower configuration. s From tk41c@aol.com Thu Jul 12 11:08:29 2012 From: tk41c@aol.com (tk41c@aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161 (Ted Larsen) In-Reply-To: <4a605.51986653.3d2f3e1c@aol.com> References: <4a605.51986653.3d2f3e1c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF2E575442DE9E-1364-ED25@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> Yes,indeed.??I was the victim of the Estonian?invasion, as reported by CNN, on Monday. Sincerely hope that no other email server was damaged. ? de Jay Ballard W1JHB ? ??? -----Original Message----- From: TVNETDUDE <TVNETDUDE@aol.com> To: boston-radio-interest <boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 4:38 pm Subject: Re: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161 (Ted Larsen) Perhaps an unintentional spammer. TK-41C belongs to Jay Ballard. Probably had his account compromised. Mike >>>Looks as if we have a spammer joining us today. My Kaspersky anti-virus blocked access saying the link redirected to a Trojan. This seems to be a first. Please don't open them. Good luck, Ted 3. (tk41c@aol.com) 4. (tk41c@aol.com) 5. (_tk41c@aol.com_ (mailto:tk41c@aol.com) )<<< From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jul 12 22:14:08 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:14:08 -0400 Subject: The most impactful television events of the last 50 years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <855DEB08-B6F8-402C-A183-31F1DF95B8F4@charter.net> I can't argue with most of those, but the death of Whitney Houston? What? The death of some singer from the 1980s can't compare with the killing of John Lennon, a cultural icon for multiple generations. And the wedding of of Prince William is bigger than any of the other "fossil" items Kevin mentions? On the other hand, "top 500" album or song lists often have some recent, more transient hits mixed in with those that would make the _next_ top 500 also. I suspect next year's list, if any, would have some of the more recent events drop off. Paul On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > This list bothers me - I know age is a factor but still. > > To me one of the most shocking out of the blue TV events happened during a > Patriots game in 1980. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n73GFvAyIjs > > For us older fossils there are several that would make the list > > RFK shot. > LBJ announces he is not running. > Landing on the Moon. > Oswald shot. > Nixon calls it quits. > > > > > The most impactful television events of the last 50 years, as measured in a > survey conducted by Nielsen and Sony Electronics. The rankings are based on > a questionnaire of consumers about events they had watched, if they > remember where they were and if they discussed the events with others. > > 1. Sept. 11 terrorist attacks (2001). > 2. Hurricane Katrina (2005). > 3. The O.J. Simpson verdict (1995). > 4. The Challenger space shuttle explodes (1986). > 5. Death of Osama bin Laden (2011). > 6. The O.J. Simpson White Bronco chase (1994). > 7. The Japanese earthquake and tsunami (2011). > 8. Columbine school shooting (1999). > 9. BP oil spill in Gulf of Mexico (2010). > 10. Princess Diana's funeral (1997). > 11. Death of Whitney Houston (2012). > 12. Capture and execution of Saddam Hussein (2006). > 13. Barack Obama Election Night speech (2008) > 14. Wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton (2011). > 15. John F. Kennedy assassination (1963). > 16. Oklahoma City bombing (1995). > 17. Bush/Gore disputed election (2000). > 18. Los Angeles riots, Rodney King beating (1992). > 19. Casey Anthony murder trial verdict (2011). > 20. John F. Kennedy funeral (1963) From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jul 14 16:27:47 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:27:47 -0400 Subject: WSRO Power Boost Message-ID: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> I guess it's no big deal, but WSRO-AM 650 seems to have gone ahead with its power boost, with or without Governor Patrick's assistance. My radio that displays relative signal strength shows an uptick in the signal during the day, but only a little. My table radio in-house is receiving a clearer signal and on my car radio, it can be heard while I'm driving around Methuen and Lawrence. Previously I could only get it on the highways around here. The coverage graph at fcc.gov shows a pattern sending its strongest signal during the day to the northeast. I would have expected a major lobe due east. Does anyone know if WKOX-AM 1200's pattern was directed due east or a skosh to the northeast? It also appears that WSRO's directional daytime pattern sends less signal to the NW, W and SW than its 250-watt NDA. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 14 21:54:21 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:54:21 -0400 Subject: WSRO Power Boost In-Reply-To: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> References: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20482.8909.614292.703791@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > expected a major lobe due east. Does anyone know if WKOX-AM 1200's pattern was directed due east or a > skosh to the northeast? WKOX had, and WSRO has, a two-tower directional array. A two-tower array's pattern must (modulo differences in tower construction and ground conductivity) have a pattern that is symmetric about a line connecting the two towers. The most common configuration for a two-tower DA generates a cardioid pattern, with a null in one direction along the axis and (perforce) the maximum in the opposite direction. The depth of the null depends on the field ratio and phasing of the two towers. The practical upshot of this is that you can usually tell where the null of a two-tower DA by looking at the orientation of the towers. (The second-most-common two-tower pattern gives an "hourglass" oriented at right angles to the axis of the towers.) This Google Maps view shows the 100 Mt. Wayte Ave. towers, which are oriented along a northeast/southwest line. That's pretty close to perfectly aligned to protect San Antonio (WOAI), and luckily for Alex Langer, Nashville (WSM) is on nearly the exact same heading as San Antonio -GAWollman From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jul 14 22:48:07 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:48:07 -0500 Subject: WSRO Power Boost In-Reply-To: <20482.8909.614292.703791@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> <20482.8909.614292.703791@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120714211509.03b57720@plymouthcolony.net> At 08:54 PM 7/14/2012, Garrett Wollman wrote: >The most common configuration for a >two-tower DA generates a cardioid pattern, with a null in one >direction along the axis and (perforce) the maximum in the opposite >direction. I would suggest that, based on 30+ years as a DA CE, most common is the modified cardioid, with a minor lobe flanked by two nulls, all opposite the major lobe. A pure cardioid provides best protection for other stations only in or near the null. In a modified cardioid the spacing between the nulls can be varied, but in general the farther apart the nulls are the more prominent the minor lobe is. They can provide protection of varying degrees in multiple directions on the back side of the pattern. I have seen a number of modified cardioids in my career, and no true cardioids, although one has spacing, phasing, and ratio of 90, -90, .6, with the nulls only about ten degrees apart and the minor lobe barely discernable. It essentially behaves as a pattern with a broad null having about 25% of the peak E field of the major lobe. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jul 15 01:02:56 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:02:56 -0400 Subject: WSRO Power Boost In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120714211509.03b57720@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> <20482.8909.614292.703791@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20120714211509.03b57720@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <20482.20224.781471.381785@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > directions on the back side of the pattern. I have seen a number of > modified cardioids in my career, and no true cardioids, although one > has spacing, phasing, and ratio of 90, -90, .6, with the nulls only > about ten degrees apart and the minor lobe barely discernable. WBZ had one when it was on 990, and the pattern on 1030 (with the towers in the same place) isn't much different (86.4, 93.6, 1.000). (The towers are a quarter-wavelength apart at 990 kHz.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 15 02:07:46 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:07:46 -0400 Subject: FCC call sign question Message-ID: In playing with the FCC call sign database I discovered that call letters near and dear to Donna (WCAS) now belong to the Coast Guard. Same applies to WXPO. So how exactly does that work as far as Coast Guard ownership? http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/callsign/main.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 15 08:05:10 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:05:10 -0400 Subject: Bos Phoenix: Jazz Death at WGBH Message-ID: http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/141158-jazz-death-at-gbh/ The Phoenix notes the recent "jazz funeral" event at the WGBH studios, lamenting the paring down of jazz at the station. It's mentioned how radio, even public radio, is a business or should be run like one and that GBH feels that they want to appeal to younger listeners who want to donate more money than the jazz fans. (One general manager of a "struggling jazz station" mentions in comments that stations can't stay on without support. In other words while it's sad to lose jazz programming, they're doing it for a reason. Apparently a second protest event is planned for July 27 but I don't know if that will make a difference.) I did point out that despite certain folks liking various formats, business decisions are made, thus disappointing jazz (and in the past folk, blues, classical) fans who like WGBH, classic hits fans who liked WODS, and WFNX listeners (they do mention the upcoming transfer to Clear Channel "but that's another story"..indeed Mindich sold the station to Clear Channel of his own free will and if Rush Limbaugh soon appears on 101.7, or whatever, it was the Phoenix's decision to sell to them..) For now jazz fans have alternatives like other college stations (WHRB, WMWM, etc.), sat. or HD radio, etc but the powerful WGBH signal and the commitment to the community they had is gone or at least greatly lessened. It's sad. But it's business... From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 15 13:45:27 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:45:27 -0400 Subject: WSRO Power Boost References: <20120714202748.34170@gmx.com> Message-ID: <48D9F3755A8446AAB9092115C2010797@SatU205S5044> Since WSRO is on 650 and is using an array that was designed for almost twice that frequency (1200), you can scarcely expect that the pattern would be ideal--although Garrett's observation about the mandatory pattern symmetry is absolutely correct. Even at 1200, the tower spacing was only 79 degrees. At 650, it is only 42.8 degrees, which is very close and can lead to problems with pattern stability, which might be why Charlie Hecht, the consulting engineer who designed the new pattern, did not try for anything too exotic. Fortunately, the towers were very tall for 1200--189 degrees, top loaded to 214 degrees. You'd almost think that, when they constructed those towers back in 1981, the Fairbanks folks were thinking about use of the array by a station lower on the dial. Also, at 650, the towers are 115.9 degrees, which is more than adequate for the lower frequency, even with a ground system that was designed for 1200. Anyhow, the azimuth of the line of towers is 35 degrees (10 degrees north of northeast). The WKOX pattern minima were, IIRC, at 180 and 250 degrees. WSRO does not depart much from that; the minima are at 183 degrees and 247 degrees. At these minima, the equivalent power is only about 7% (1/14th) of the pattern RMS. Using the night parameters, WSRO sends the equivalent of only about 4.4W toward WSM. Since the ND night power was 9W, you have to wonder whether, in a year or so, after the array stability has been demonstrated, Hecht might be thinking of applying for a night power increase to something closer to, but still below, the 250W Class D maximum--low enough to keep the Class D status, but also high enough to provide a listenable nighttime signal somewhat east of Route 128. There probably is no way WSRO could change its CoL from Ashland to Framingham (it is Ashland's only radio station and probably has an NIF of ~10 mV/m, which means that, using the Mt Wayte Ave array, even with 250W at night, I don't think it could meet the Class B signal requirements for Ashland--an NIF signal or better over at least 80% of the town's population). For those wondering what kept Alex Langer from building this power increase before WKOX's move to Newton and WBIX's move of its daytime operation to Ashand, the answer is that the 650 upgrade became practical only after WKOX and WBIX moved out--remember that 1200 ran 10 kW by day and 1060 was also using the site during the daytime at high power (40 kW-D/22 kW-CH). With two other high-power stations at the site, replacing the 250W-ND 650 with a higher-power directional version would have been prohibitively complex and expensive. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:27 PM Subject: WSRO Power Boost >I guess it's no big deal, but WSRO-AM 650 seems to have gone ahead with its >power boost, with or without Governor Patrick's > assistance. My radio that displays relative signal strength shows an > uptick in the signal during the day, but only a little. My table radio > in-house is receiving a clearer signal and on my car radio, it can be > heard while I'm driving > around Methuen and Lawrence. Previously I could only get it on the > highways around here. The coverage > graph at fcc.gov shows a pattern sending its strongest signal during the > day to the northeast. I would have > expected a major lobe due east. Does anyone know if WKOX-AM 1200's pattern > was directed due east or a > skosh to the northeast? It also appears that WSRO's directional daytime > pattern sends less signal to the NW, W and SW > than its 250-watt NDA. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 15 13:57:22 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:57:22 -0400 Subject: WLLH transmitters running out of synch Message-ID: The 1400 signal is usually quite listenable here (Arlington Heights) during the daytime on a fairly sensitive AM receiver. Yesterday, I noticed that there was a big-time beat-frequency signal (~1 Hz) that made the audio essentially unlistenable. As of a few hours ago (after noon on Sunday 7/15/2012), the situation had not been corrected. Maybe nobody at the station knows or gives a damn, but they need to fix whatever has made the synchronization stop working. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 15 14:10:04 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:10:04 -0400 Subject: WLLH transmitters running out of synch Message-ID: <9AF8A205BE6A47C1BC58B5DCCFD716FE@SatU205S5044> The 1400 signal is usually quite listenable here (Arlington Heights) during the daytime on a fairly sensitive AM receiver. Yesterday, I noticed that there was a big-time beat-frequency signal (~1 Hz) that made the audio essentially unlistenable. As of a few hours ago (after noon on Sunday 7/15/2012), the situation had not been corrected. Maybe nobody at the station knows or gives a damn, but they need to fix whatever has made the synchronization stop working. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dave@skywaves.net Sun Jul 15 21:57:38 2012 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:57:38 -0400 Subject: [Possible Spam(mid)]-RE: FCC call sign question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002901cd62f6$60a07de0$21e179a0$@skywaves.net> Early international call sign assignments are available at http://earlyradiohistory.us/1913call.htm. Back then Germany got D for Deutschland, and A for Allgemeine, a German word that translates roughly as general or universal. (G went to Great Britain.) Germany also got KAA to KCZ, and the US got KDA to KZZ. Canada got no C calls, only VAA to VGZ. Obviously, things have changed a lot since then. Here's the current list: http://www.smeter.net/stations/call-prefixes-by-country.php Sometime in the 20's, the US got AA-AL. A was for Army, N was for Navy, and W and K were for civilians. Shipboard stations used four-letter call signs beginning with W for West-coast based vessels, and K for those that were East-coast based, the opposite of the pattern that developed for broadcasting. Today, shipboard stations may use four letter calls, but most use letter and number combinations. Modern US calls may begin with AA-AL, K, N, or W. Only K and W are used for broadcasting. Other services, including hams, can use any of the four. But going back almost a hundred years, shipboard stations and broadcasters share the universe of four-letter call signs beginning with W and K. -d Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527-0004 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) 650-479-2881 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:08 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: FCC call sign question In playing with the FCC call sign database I discovered that call letters near and dear to Donna (WCAS) now belong to the Coast Guard. Same applies to WXPO. So how exactly does that work as far as Coast Guard ownership? http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/callsign/main.html From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Jul 16 00:20:50 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:20:50 -0400 Subject: WLLH transmitters running out of sync Message-ID: <2EBDF1C5E37E459FBD00EEE45CC0CA73@chrisHP> I suspect they lost one of GPS receivers or a GPS antenna and had to return either the Lowell or Lawrence transmitter to the internal oscillator in the Harris DAX-1. The Odetics Corp which made the receivers which have a sine or square wave output at 1400 Khz are no longer made, if they lost one they may be temporarily SOL until they can repair it or come up with something that will replace it. I have not been involved with WLLH for about three years since the purchase by Gois, they have one engineer working out of WORC. He handles many stations including Hartford, something on the NY border the two WLLH?s as well as WAMG so he is spread very thin. I am under the heavy influence of the Lawrence signal and it sounds OK but may be horrendous elsewhere. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 16 00:43:49 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:43:49 -0400 Subject: WLLH transmitters running out of sync In-Reply-To: <2EBDF1C5E37E459FBD00EEE45CC0CA73@chrisHP> References: <2EBDF1C5E37E459FBD00EEE45CC0CA73@chrisHP> Message-ID: The solar flare this week has played havoc with GPS. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > I suspect they lost one of GPS receivers or a GPS antenna and had to > return either the Lowell or Lawrence transmitter to the internal oscillator > in the Harris DAX-1. The Odetics Corp which made the receivers which have a > sine or square wave output at 1400 Khz are no longer made, if they lost one > they may be temporarily SOL until they can repair it or come up with > something that will replace it. I have not been involved with WLLH for > about three years since the purchase by Gois, they have one engineer > working out of WORC. He handles many stations including Hartford, > something on the NY border the two WLLH?s as well as WAMG so he is spread > very thin. I am under the heavy influence of the Lawrence signal and it > sounds OK but may > be horrendous elsewhere. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 17 14:41:25 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:41:25 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? Message-ID: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> Today's FCC Daily Digest shows this action. The application was returned to the processing line. I don't recall seeing many such items in the FCC Daily Digest. Is it significant? Why might it have happened? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 17 15:07:32 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:07:32 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> Message-ID: Now you have to wonder if WODS flipping to Top 40 ruined what CC wanted to do and they will walk away ( Mindich would get $3m if that happened ) On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Today's FCC Daily Digest shows this action. The application was returned to the processing line. I don't recall seeing many such items in the FCC Daily Digest. Is it significant? Why might it have happened? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 17 15:43:09 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:43:09 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <5005C04D.9060104@attorneyross.com> I noticed on WBIN this morning an ad for a New Hampshire station which started with "Are you upset because 103.3 has changed to sounding like this (sound)? I think the station advertising was 106.3, but I'm blanking on what they called themselves. Fred, I think. And I've also noticed that either WBIN has replaced COOL TV on my cable or WBIN was carrying COOL TV and dropped it in favor of a lot of "Peoples Court" type shows, at least in the daytime. But Comcast doesn't seem to know yet because the program notes that come on the bottom of the screen when I press the "info" button still say COOL TV Music Videos. On 7/17/2012 3:07 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Now you have to wonder if WODS flipping to Top 40 ruined what CC > wanted to do and they will walk away ( Mindich would get $3m if that > happened ) > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Today's FCC Daily Digest shows this action. The application was returned to the processing line. I don't recall seeing many such items in the FCC Daily Digest. Is it significant? Why might it have happened? >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2425/5135 - Release Date: 07/16/12 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jul 17 15:54:51 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:54:51 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> Message-ID: The public notice shows it rescinded 7/13/12... http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0717/DOC-315181A1.pdf ...but the database says it was granted as of today: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1505043 Maybe one of the lawyers among us can explain. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 17 17:54:59 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:54:59 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> On 7/17/2012 3:54 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > The public notice shows it rescinded 7/13/12... > > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0717/DOC-315181A1.pdf > > ...but the database says it was granted as of today: > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1505043 > > Maybe one of the lawyers among us can explain. Since I do no FCC work, I'm only guessing, but I'd guess a computer glitch. We'll have to wait to find out which way the glitch ran. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 02:51:23 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:51:23 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The sale has gone through and now we're hearing WFNX format ends Friday at 7 pm http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0717/DOC-315181A2.txt http://tjconnelly.com/2012/07/13/wfnx/ >UPDATE: WFNX management has decided to sign off Friday at 7pm, so my set has moved up accordingly From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 02:52:42 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:52:42 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: oops. correct link http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1505043 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > The sale has gone through and now we're hearing WFNX format ends Friday at 7 pm > > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0717/DOC-315181A2.txt > > http://tjconnelly.com/2012/07/13/wfnx/ > >>UPDATE: WFNX management has decided to sign off Friday at 7pm, so my set has moved up accordingly From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 10:02:35 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:35 -0400 Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: via tweet from @BostonTweet relayed by @bostonradio: WFNX will sign-off Friday at 7pm with Tai (6-11am), Jim Ryan (11-2pm) & Neal Robert (2-7pm) ushering out the final hours. (h/t @bostonradio) From sids1045@aol.com Wed Jul 18 11:38:21 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What's with WFNX's application for transfer of control being rescinded as of 7/13/2012? In-Reply-To: <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> References: <307460520451488FBE1046FF133909C5@PC281321418224> <5005DF33.4060208@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8CF33127EDD5031-123C-1CAFC@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> "I'd guess a computer glitch. We'll have to wait to find out which way the glitch ran." According to the FCC's license database, an amendment to the transfer application was filed on 6/27, so that might have been the reason for rescinding the approval and then re-approving it. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 12:36:24 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA Message-ID: The request was filed last Friday. Call signs mean little these days but one would think if they were going talk on FM there would be an indication of matching the calls of 1200 and 101.7 but I can't find any indication they are doing this. Give Clear Channel credit as they have kept a lid on their plans with less than 5 days to go. WFNX has announced they will sign off for good at 7 PM on Friday. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 13:11:42 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:11:42 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark S was hearing it goes to automated FNX music at 7 till the actual takeover (Mon.?) Not sure if there will be a stunt. Talent usually isn't informed on what's happening in a situation like this (close-lipped on format change)--so he may be playing us for fun--but WXKS (AM)'s Jeff Katz said on facebook "it occurred to me that there may be too much music on the FM band". Uh huh. Yup, he may just playing that rumor around a bit... Similarly talent may not find out about a format change--that involves them being laid off--until they get that call into the office moments or hours before the flip. (In WFNX's case though there was more than enough advance notice as well as the opportunity to do "final shows") On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The request was filed last Friday. > > Call signs mean little these days but one would think if they were going > talk on FM there would be an indication of matching the calls of 1200 and > 101.7 but I can't find any indication they are doing this. > > Give Clear Channel credit as they have kept a lid on their plans with less > than 5 days to go. > > WFNX has announced they will sign off for good at 7 PM on Friday. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jul 18 14:35:29 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:35:29 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Jeff Katz said on facebook "it occurred to me > that there may be too much music on the FM band". > If that was on Facebook, it's been removed. -Bob From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 18 15:49:25 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:49:25 -0400 Subject: Tower In Milton, MA To Get New Tenants Message-ID: <20120718194925.34170@gmx.com> There's an impressive-looking tower in Milton, MA just south of the Boston City Limits that up until now has not been the home to any broadcast FM or TV station. According to info at the FCC, WUMB-FM 91.9 has applied to move to that site from its present location about 2 miles to the NNE, increase the HAAT and reduce power a bit. While I was checking this info out, I became aware that two translators also have applications to operate from that tower: one at 96.5 rebroadcasting KLRH in Sparks, NV and at 102.1 rebroadcasting WXRV 92.5 COL Andover but really Haverhill, MA. I wonder if WKLB 102.5 and WTKK 96.9 will file an objection. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Jul 18 18:43:40 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:43:40 -0400 Subject: Tower In Milton, MA To Get New Tenants In-Reply-To: <20120718194925.34170@gmx.com> References: <20120718194925.34170@gmx.com> Message-ID: <001501cd6536$c7568d30$5603a790$@net> > There's an impressive-looking tower in Milton, MA just south of the > Boston City Limits that up until now has not been the home to any > broadcast FM or TV station. According to info at the FCC, WUMB-FM 91.9 > has applied to move to that site from its present location about 2 > miles to the NNE, increase the HAAT and reduce power a bit. While I > was checking this info out, I became aware that two translators also > have applications to operate from that tower: one at 96.5 > rebroadcasting KLRH in Sparks, NV and at 102.1 rebroadcasting WXRV > 92.5 COL Andover but really Haverhill, MA. I wonder if WKLB 102.5 and > WTKK 96.9 will file an objection. Those translator applications have been in the FCC's system for quite some time, whenever the last window was, maybe 2005 or earlier? There are many others around the area too, including 102.9 in Boston I believe. It's interesting that we still don't have any big translators around here, where there are many on 2nd adjacent frequencies in big markets such as 97.9 in Atlanta, 97.5 and 100.7 in Chicago, 103.1 and 106.3 in NYC, etc... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From brscomm@yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 18:47:31 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:47:31 -0500 Subject: Tower In Milton, MA To Get New Tenants In-Reply-To: <20120718194925.34170@gmx.com> References: <20120718194925.34170@gmx.com> Message-ID: <019c01cd6537$50ab1b50$f20151f0$@yahoo.com> If you mean the 700 foot tower near the Expressway and the Quincy Quarry, it is actually in Quincy and Milton was very unhappy when it went up. It is primarily a 2-way radio and paging site. It's owned by Industrial Communications in Marshfield. He has one in West Bridgewater next to 24 that has the former channel 46, that's now RF channel 10? Bill -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:49 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Tower In Milton, MA To Get New Tenants There's an impressive-looking tower in Milton, MA just south of the Boston City Limits that up until now has not been the home to any broadcast FM or TV station. According to info at the FCC, WUMB-FM 91.9 has applied to move to that site from its present location about 2 miles to the NNE, increase the HAAT and reduce power a bit. While I was checking this info out, I became aware that two translators also have applications to operate from that tower: one at 96.5 rebroadcasting KLRH in Sparks, NV and at 102.1 rebroadcasting WXRV 92.5 COL Andover but really Haverhill, MA. I wonder if WKLB 102.5 and WTKK 96.9 will file an objection. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 18 20:45:06 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:45:06 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> So, this is a TV story, but may bring back some radio memories too. I was watching the local evening news on Channel 4 and suddenly there was a big thunderstorm with lightning, as Todd Guttner was doing the weather. All at once, the studio went black-- just the weather map stayed lit, for some reason. Todd, to his credit, kept doing the weather in the dark until the auxiliary transmitter kicked in. I was impressed with his professionalism-- it has to be disconcerting when that happens. I recall Hurricane Carol when the WBZ-TV tower fell but the station was only off the air for a few minutes, I am told. Anyway, wondered if anyone else has had to perform while chaos reigned all around. When I was on the air in Washington DC at WAVA, we moved to new studios, and they were not quite ready for prime time yet-- I had to do my radio show in between workers drilling, hammering, and making a giant racket-- I signaled them when I was about to open the mike, and then they went quiet temporarily... except for one time when they didn't.... don't ask. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:27:10 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:27:10 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I was on the air in Central Florida as Hurricane Wilma made landfall in the late late evening/early morning hours. i would be in the middle of talking and the power would go off.. happened 2 or 3 times and lasted a minute or 2 each time. For some reason, the ONLY thing that remained on in the ENTIRE building was the lights on my console. I'd just sit there, wait for the power to come back on and continue where I left off. | Luckily, power never stayed out for very long. Paul On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > So, this is a TV story, but may bring back some radio memories too. I was > watching the local evening news on Channel 4 and suddenly there was a big > thunderstorm with lightning, as Todd Guttner was doing the weather. All at > once, the studio went black-- just the weather map stayed lit, for some > reason. Todd, to his credit, kept doing the weather in the dark until the > auxiliary transmitter kicked in. I was impressed with his > professionalism-- it has to be disconcerting when that happens. I recall > Hurricane Carol when the WBZ-TV tower fell but the station was only off the > air for a few minutes, I am told. Anyway, wondered if anyone else has had > to perform while chaos reigned all around. When I was on the air in > Washington DC at WAVA, we moved to new studios, and they were not quite > ready for prime time yet-- I had to do my radio show in between workers > drilling, hammering, and making a giant racket-- I signaled them when I was > about to open the mike, and then they went quiet temporarily... except for > one time when they didn't.... don't ask. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:34:05 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:34:05 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Last November on NBC Nightly News http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5O0TkTSBPU&feature=related On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > So, this is a TV story, but may bring back some radio memories too. I was > watching the local evening news on Channel 4 and suddenly there was a big > thunderstorm with lightning, as Todd Guttner was doing the weather. All at > once, the studio went black-- just the weather map stayed lit, for some > reason. Todd, to his credit, kept doing the weather in the dark until the > auxiliary transmitter kicked in. I was impressed with his > professionalism-- it has to be disconcerting when that happens. I recall > Hurricane Carol when the WBZ-TV tower fell but the station was only off the > air for a few minutes, I am told. Anyway, wondered if anyone else has had > to perform while chaos reigned all around. When I was on the air in > Washington DC at WAVA, we moved to new studios, and they were not quite > ready for prime time yet-- I had to do my radio show in between workers > drilling, hammering, and making a giant racket-- I signaled them when I was > about to open the mike, and then they went quiet temporarily... except for > one time when they didn't.... don't ask. > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 18 21:48:13 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:48:13 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So, this is a TV story, but may bring back some radio memories too. I > was watching the local evening news on Channel 4 and suddenly there was > a big thunderstorm with lightning, as Todd Guttner was doing the > weather. All at once, the studio went black-- just the weather map > stayed lit, for some reason. Todd, to his credit, kept doing the > weather in the dark until the auxiliary transmitter kicked in. Backup generator, I think you mean. I take it that the studio lights -- a huge power draw -- are not on battery power, but studio control, master, and the cameras are. The generator probably kicked in within eight or ten seconds, but it takes a long time for those studio lights to cycle back on. The clip is already on YouTube, of course. The only transmitter at 1170 SFR is the AM backup-backup. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 18 22:08:40 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:08:40 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <50076C28.7030508@donnahalper.com> On 7/18/2012 9:48 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Backup generator, I think you mean. > You are correct, sir. And this is what happens when I type too fast-- plus Jack Williams asked when the last time was the station went off the air in the middle of a newscast, and I had Hurricane Carol on the brain. Silly mistake-- thanks for correcting it! But you did know what I meant. From irw@well.com Wed Jul 18 23:50:52 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1469844849.5223.1342669852348.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> http://news.yahoo.com/video/bostonwbz-15750588/lightning-strike-knocks-out-power-wbz-tv-30022062.html (That's the video Donna references...) - Blaine From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 19 00:55:29 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:55:29 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <50079341.6060001@attorneyross.com> On 7/18/2012 9:48 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Backup generator, I think you mean. I take it that the studio lights > -- a huge power draw -- are not on battery power, but studio control, > master, and the cameras are. The generator probably kicked in within > eight or ten seconds, but it takes a long time for those studio lights > to cycle back on. The clip is already on YouTube, of course. I just looked and couldn't find it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 19 01:07:52 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:07:52 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <50079341.6060001@attorneyross.com> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <50079341.6060001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: There you go Joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYK1OGc3tss&feature=share On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:55 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/18/2012 9:48 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Backup generator, I think you mean. I take it that the studio lights -- a >> huge power draw -- are not on battery power, but studio control, master, >> and the cameras are. The generator probably kicked in within eight or ten >> seconds, but it takes a long time for those studio lights to cycle back on. >> The clip is already on YouTube, of course. >> > > I just looked and couldn't find it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 19 00:58:40 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:58:40 -0400 Subject: professionalism In-Reply-To: <1469844849.5223.1342669852348.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> References: <1469844849.5223.1342669852348.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Message-ID: <50079400.9020206@attorneyross.com> On 7/18/2012 11:50 PM, Blaine Thompson wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/video/bostonwbz-15750588/lightning-strike-knocks-out-power-wbz-tv-30022062.html > > (That's the video Donna references...) OK, I found it. Thanks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 19 03:27:25 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 03:27:25 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's still there...check out Jeff Katz's individual account not The Jeff Katz Show. Most recent reply 5 hours ago. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >> Jeff Katz said on facebook "it occurred to me >> that there may be too much music on the FM band". >> > > If that was on Facebook, it's been removed. > > > -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 19 06:35:41 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:35:41 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA References: Message-ID: Well, CCU spelled Rumba without an H (after the R), but WHBA has all of the letters of Rhumba (when Rhumba is spelled correctly). The call sign should (at least temporarily) raise the stock of the much maligned (by me as well as by others at Radio-Info.com) Joseph Gallant, who has maintained from the outset that 101.7 would broadcast in Spanish. I wonder what David Eduardo (very knowledgable poster at R-I) has to say about this development. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA Mark S was hearing it goes to automated FNX music at 7 till the actual takeover (Mon.?) Not sure if there will be a stunt. Talent usually isn't informed on what's happening in a situation like this (close-lipped on format change)--so he may be playing us for fun--but WXKS (AM)'s Jeff Katz said on facebook "it occurred to me that there may be too much music on the FM band". Uh huh. Yup, he may just playing that rumor around a bit... Similarly talent may not find out about a format change--that involves them being laid off--until they get that call into the office moments or hours before the flip. (In WFNX's case though there was more than enough advance notice as well as the opportunity to do "final shows") On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The request was filed last Friday. > > Call signs mean little these days but one would think if they were going > talk on FM there would be an indication of matching the calls of 1200 and > 101.7 but I can't find any indication they are doing this. > > Give Clear Channel credit as they have kept a lid on their plans with less > than 5 days to go. > > WFNX has announced they will sign off for good at 7 PM on Friday. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 19 10:13:19 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:13:19 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The call letters have raised speculation about nicknames like The Harbor or The Bay and some folks have registered domain names relating to them, squatting on them in the hope that CC will buy them. One such effort is the fact that someone registered talk1017.com, predicting that format. If it should be talk, note that CC still owns bostonsnewtalk.com (redirected to the WXKS AM page), something they had going back to the progressive talk days, and that could be used. We still have no idea on the format but if it were to be talk, and if it were to be simulcast on 1200 and 101.7, conceivably CC could register the calls WHBA for the 1200 as well to have them match. (And if CBS decides to, say, simulcast WBZ AM on 104.1, they could move the WBZ-FM calls there and get WBCN for 98.5...calls currently parked in NC) As has been said on a messageboard, sometimes a company will tip its hand and get scooped by a rival. WCDJ 96.9 was to flip from smooth jazz to country...the word got out and 105.7 flipped to country before them. (Eventually 96.9 and 105.7 each ran country under sep. ownership before 105.7 became WROR and WCLB/WKLB moved down to 96.9 after a sale) The word had gotten out about the upcoming 96.9 move, so..I recall that in that year, the 105.7 flipped in Feb while 96.9 didn't do so till May or so. Of course sometimes word gets out and there's no counter-move by a rival company. CBS let it be known 98.5 would become the Sports Hub, etc. Entercom could have scooped them by flipping 93.7 to a WEEI simulcast, thus becoming Boston's first FM sports station. However Mike 93.7 was doing well, so they didn't. Two years later they finally did make the move. Now, had 93.7 indeed flipped to sports would CBS then have backed down on their plan for 98.5? Probably not...they had the Pats and the B's and seemed well into the plan of putting sports talk on. It's like a game of poker (don't tip your hand) and a game of chess (counter-moves)... On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, CCU spelled Rumba without an H (after the R), but WHBA has all of the > letters of Rhumba (when Rhumba is spelled correctly) From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 19 12:05:45 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:05:45 -0400 Subject: Janet Baker-Carr In-Reply-To: References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <50083059.2090401@donnahalper.com> I was asked to do some research about the long career of Janet Baker-Carr, who spent many years as an announcer at WXHR-FM and then WCRB. Since I admit to not being much of a fan of classical music, I didn't know a lot about her-- I'm much more familiar with people like Ron Della Chiesa. Do any of you have recollections about her work? I found a large number of mentions of her on historical newspapers from the 1950s through the 1980s, plus she wrote a book about the Boston Symphony Orchestra. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 19 13:12:15 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:12:15 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA References: Message-ID: Of course, I meant all the letters of Rhumba that a four-letter call sign beginning with W can hold. But there are many ofther call signs that could also meet those criteria (for example, WRBA and WRMB, both of which work regardless of whether you spell Rhumba with or without an H--and no, I have not checked on the availability of WRBA or WRMB). ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, CCU spelled Rumba without an H (after the R), but WHBA has all of the > letters of Rhumba (when Rhumba is spelled correctly) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 19 14:54:45 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:54:45 -0400 Subject: Janet Baker-Carr References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <50083059.2090401@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <52DE4E2AF8254E11ACE76EC8E37DD6AD@PC281321418224> I suggest that you send Laurence Glavin the same message but personally--not as a list member--in case his inbox overfloweth. I can't be the only list member with that problem. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: Janet Baker-Carr I was asked to do some research about the long career of Janet Baker-Carr, who spent many years as an announcer at WXHR-FM and then WCRB. Since I admit to not being much of a fan of classical music, I didn't know a lot about her-- I'm much more familiar with people like Ron Della Chiesa. Do any of you have recollections about her work? I found a large number of mentions of her on historical newspapers from the 1950s through the 1980s, plus she wrote a book about the Boston Symphony Orchestra. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 19 16:24:35 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:35 -0400 Subject: Janet Baker-Carr In-Reply-To: <50083059.2090401@donnahalper.com> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <50083059.2090401@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <50086D03.8080002@attorneyross.com> On 7/19/2012 12:05 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I was asked to do some research about the long career of Janet > Baker-Carr, who spent many years as an announcer at WXHR-FM and then > WCRB. Since I admit to not being much of a fan of classical music, I > didn't know a lot about her-- I'm much more familiar with people like > Ron Della Chiesa. Do any of you have recollections about her work? I > found a large number of mentions of her on historical newspapers from > the 1950s through the 1980s, plus she wrote a book about the Boston > Symphony Orchestra. All I remember about her is that she was on WXHR -- which only became WXHR-FM when 740 became WXHR(AM) -- for some time. I seem to remember first hearing about her in an announcement that she would soon be "returning." Which suggests that she had been with the station in the past (before I had an FM radio, I think). Perhaps she was on maternity leave or something, I don't know. I don't think I remember her on WCRB, but I definitely remember her on WXHR as one of only two female voices on classical music radio. The other was Nirmal Daniere (spelling approximate), who was on WBCN for some time and, I believe, eventually was on WCRB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From rbello@belloassoc.com Thu Jul 19 18:58:04 2012 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:58:04 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Both are taken: *WRBA-FM 95.9 MHz Springfield, Florida* * "Arrow 95.9" WRMB-FM 89.3 MHz* * Boynton Beach, Florida* * "Fortheheartofsouthflorida"* * * On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Of course, I meant all the letters of Rhumba that a four-letter call sign > beginning with W can hold. But there are many ofther call signs that could > also meet those criteria (for example, WRBA and WRMB, both of which work > regardless of whether you spell Rhumba with or without an H--and no, I have > not checked on the availability of WRBA or WRMB). > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 20 13:06:28 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:06:28 -0400 Subject: need an instructor at Lesley In-Reply-To: <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50075892.8090506@donnahalper.com> <20487.26461.66638.665273@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <50099014.3000702@donnahalper.com> If any of you know someone who has experience teaching Public Speaking, the Communication department (where I teach) needs somebody to offer an extra section of this very popular course, beginning in September. Contact me off-list for more information, but it requires previous teaching experience, and preferably a master's degree. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jul 20 20:36:01 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:36:01 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5009F971.5000100@gabrielmass.com> Did anyone catch the sign-off of 101.7? Right now (8:30 pm) it seems to be transmitting carrier: but it's not dead air; it's noisy with static-like sounds. Are they trying to simulate being off the air? --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 20 21:48:03 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:48:03 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: <5009F971.5000100@gabrielmass.com> References: <5009F971.5000100@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Now we know Not Talk Not Spanish http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/59018/clear-channel-approaches-bostons-harbor/ On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Did anyone catch the sign-off of 101.7? Right now (8:30 pm) it seems to > be transmitting carrier: but it's not dead air; it's noisy with static-like > sounds. Are they trying to simulate being off the air? > > --RC > > From irw@well.com Fri Jul 20 22:00:43 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <617576705.4195.1342836043871.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Or a smokescreen? This still be Clear Channel, yo. :-) - Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:48:03 PM Subject: Re: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA Now we know Not Talk Not Spanish > http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/59018/clear-channel-approaches-bostons-harbor/ From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Jul 20 22:05:47 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2012 10:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, irw@well.com writes: Or a smokescreen? This still be Clear Channel, yo. :-) The best comment yet!!! ---BB From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 20 22:22:55 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:22:55 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most likely legit - I see Delilah as part of the mix. I suspect they going after WMJX On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM, wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/20/2012 10:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > irw@well.com writes: > > Or a smokescreen? > > This still be Clear Channel, yo. :-) > > > > > > The best comment yet!!! > > ---BB From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jul 20 22:32:50 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:32:50 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: References: <5009F971.5000100@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <500A14D2.9070808@gabrielmass.com> Y'mean it's not a '50s nostalgia format ("Hubba-hubba")? Darn. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jul 21 10:23:44 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:23:44 -0400 Subject: Gino Cappelletti Retires From Patriots Radio Broadcasts Message-ID: <079EFE74E65047D9BB69CC52E982009E@MarkOTS3> At 78 years old, Gino Cappeletti has decided the time is right to step away from the broadcast booth, where he has been the color analyst for 33 seasons. Gino has been involved with the Patriots for 45 of the team's 52 years of existence as a player, broadcaster and special teams coach. Gil Santos will return for one more season of radio play by play. Link to Boston Herald article: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1061147414 Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 21 11:11:42 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA In-Reply-To: <500A14D2.9070808@gabrielmass.com> References: <5009F971.5000100@gabrielmass.com> <500A14D2.9070808@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: The new WHBA may well be patterned after this Clear Channel station in Cleveland called 'The Lake' http://www.1065thelake.com/main.html CC just this past week started 'The Lake' in Charlotte http://www.1029thelake.com/pages/1029thelake.html?article=10240368 Boston doesn't have a lake, it has a harbor. This would also explain why they were able to keep it under wraps - no talent to hire On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Y'mean it's not a '50s nostalgia format ("Hubba-hubba")? Darn. > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 21 23:50:06 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:50:06 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? Message-ID: The FCC is political - we all know that. Now in theory the call sign WFNX should go into the pool on Monday - but could they wind up on a boat like WCAS? Call Sign WCAS is not available. WCAS is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. Vessel Information: WCAS reserved for coast guard per Rebecca Little's request. Vessel Name: Waverider Document No: 1056140 To obtain additional information, contact: Ms. Doris McGhee The Call Sign Desk (Tel. 202-418-1616) To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: Kim Demory or Betty Martin U. S. Coast Guard National Vessel Documentation Center (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) I also know WXPO is on a boat - not that anybody would want them :) Call Sign WXPO is not available. WXPO is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. Vessel Information: WXPO-TV To obtain additional information, contact: Ms. Doris McGhee The Call Sign Desk (Tel. 202-418-1616) To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: Kim Demory or Betty Martin U. S. Coast Guard National Vessel Documentation Center (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 21 23:59:07 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:59:07 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> I think that's a precedent the FCC really doesn't want to set. I don't think Mindich has much cause to worry about someone else getting the WFNX calls. Assuming he has his ducks in a row with trademarking (or at least service-marking) "WFNX" in connection with radio and internet broadcasting in the Boston market, it wouldn't do anyone else much good to snag the callsign in or near Boston. What could they actually do with it, other than mumble it once an hour? The better question, perhaps, is why in the world the Coast Guard still needs four-letter callsigns at all. I've never heard of the Coast Guard failing to release a callsign when it's requested by a broadcaster, so they can't be of any great significance to USCG. s On 7/21/2012 11:50 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The FCC is political - we all know that. > > Now in theory the call sign WFNX should go into the pool on Monday - > but could they wind up on a boat like WCAS? > > > Call Sign WCAS is not available. > WCAS is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. > Vessel Information: > WCAS reserved for coast guard per Rebecca Little's request. Vessel > Name: Waverider Document No: 1056140 > To obtain additional information, contact: > Ms. Doris McGhee > The Call Sign Desk > (Tel. 202-418-1616) > To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: > Kim Demory or Betty Martin > U. S. Coast Guard > National Vessel Documentation Center > (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) > > > I also know WXPO is on a boat - not that anybody would want them :) > > > Call Sign WXPO is not available. > WXPO is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. > Vessel Information: > WXPO-TV > To obtain additional information, contact: > Ms. Doris McGhee > The Call Sign Desk > (Tel. 202-418-1616) > To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: > Kim Demory or Betty Martin > U. S. Coast Guard > National Vessel Documentation Center > (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 22 03:56:21 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:56:21 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> Message-ID: This is why lawyers get rich..... Hypothetically let us say 96.9 decided to drop talk and go alternative and were awarded the calls WFNX. In a case like that how could Mindich argue he still owns the trademark after selling the station? CBS can happily park calls like WBCN somewhere but the Phoenix can not. Carry it one step further - if another station did get the calls WFNX could they then challenge that they should own wfnx.com? I heard tonight that CBS just might do it as WBMX means nothing to them. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > I think that's a precedent the FCC really doesn't want to set. > > I don't think Mindich has much cause to worry about someone else getting the > WFNX calls. Assuming he has his ducks in a row with trademarking (or at > least service-marking) "WFNX" in connection with radio and internet > broadcasting in the Boston market, it wouldn't do anyone else much good to > snag the callsign in or near Boston. What could they actually do with it, > other than mumble it once an hour? > > The better question, perhaps, is why in the world the Coast Guard still > needs four-letter callsigns at all. I've never heard of the Coast Guard > failing to release a callsign when it's requested by a broadcaster, so they > can't be of any great significance to USCG. > > s > > > On 7/21/2012 11:50 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> The FCC is political - we all know that. >> >> Now in theory the call sign WFNX should go into the pool on Monday - >> but could they wind up on a boat like WCAS? >> >> >> Call Sign WCAS is not available. >> WCAS is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. >> Vessel Information: >> WCAS reserved for coast guard per Rebecca Little's request. Vessel >> Name: Waverider Document No: 1056140 >> To obtain additional information, contact: >> Ms. Doris McGhee >> The Call Sign Desk >> (Tel. 202-418-1616) >> To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: >> Kim Demory or Betty Martin >> U. S. Coast Guard >> National Vessel Documentation Center >> (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) >> >> >> I also know WXPO is on a boat - not that anybody would want them :) >> >> >> Call Sign WXPO is not available. >> WXPO is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. >> Vessel Information: >> WXPO-TV >> To obtain additional information, contact: >> Ms. Doris McGhee >> The Call Sign Desk >> (Tel. 202-418-1616) >> To request release of a Coast Guard call sign, contact: >> Kim Demory or Betty Martin >> U. S. Coast Guard >> National Vessel Documentation Center >> (Tel. 1-800-799-8362) >> > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jul 22 07:02:20 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:02:20 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? Message-ID: <20120722110220.80540@gmx.com> Don't know if it would happen but there is a city in Alabama called Phenix City with at least one station having it as a COL, WGSY 100.1....suppose they apply for "WFNX Phenix City". Again highly unlikely but you never know. Or how about some alternative type station in Burlington VT, Portland ME, whatever. Picture them wanting the WFNX calls (a legendary Boston alternative station...again highly unlikely but picture Boston area college students going up to UVM and discovering a local station playing alt rock with the WFNX calls. Or just anyone who wanted a station to have the nickname "The Phoenix" for some reason...to go along with the many Froggies, Wolfs, Foxes, Dogs, Cats, or other animal nicknames!) From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 22 09:15:23 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:15:23 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> On 7/22/2012 3:56 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > This is why lawyers get rich..... > > Hypothetically let us say 96.9 decided to drop talk and go alternative > and were awarded the calls WFNX. In a case like that how could Mindich > argue he still owns the trademark after selling the station? CBS can > happily park calls like WBCN somewhere but the Phoenix can not. I am not a trademark lawyer, or indeed a lawyer of any kind, but it seems to me that if Mindich's lawyers are smart about trademarking the use of "WFNX" in a fairly broad context - let's say, "radio and internet broadcasting and concert promotion" - and if Mindich continues to use the "WFNX" brand actively, it would be extremely challenging for anyone else to make productive use of the WFNX callsign in the Boston market. Even if you can persuade a court that the sale of 101.7 voided the portion of Mindich's (hypothetical?) trademark registration covering terrestrial radio broadcasting, I'd think he'd still have ironclad trademark protection for all the ancillary uses. Would you want to be able to be "WFNX" on the air but not be able to promote concerts as "WFNX," or stream your audio as "WFNX"? > Carry it one step further - if another station did get the calls WFNX > could they then challenge that they should own wfnx.com? I don't think the relevant authorities much care about an administrative callsign assignment from the FCC. If Mindich holds the "WFNX" trademark and is actively using it on wfnx.com, nobody's going to take that domain away from him. > I heard tonight that CBS just might do it as WBMX means nothing to them. I suppose they could change the 104.1 calls if they really wanted to...but it seems to me all they'd be doing would be sowing needless confusion, especially if they can't do anything commercially with the "WFNX" branding. Put it another way...I might be able to start a restaurant company and get state licensing officials to issue me the relevant permits and licenses under the name "King of Burgers, LLC." But just because I have that legal name on my permits doesn't mean I can go into the marketplace and use that name in commerce. "WFNX" may disappear from an FCC license, but "WFNX" is still very much in use in commerce, and I expect Mindich and his lawyers to defend that use aggressively. s From sids1045@aol.com Sun Jul 22 10:52:37 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:52:37 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> "I don't think the relevant authorities much care about an administrative callsign assignment from the FCC. If Mindich holds the "WFNX" trademark and is actively using it on wfnx.com, nobody's going to take that domain away from him." I went through this some years ago in a previous job, and with the customary IANAL disclaimer in mind: we were told by counsel that you can't trademark any government-issued identifier. You can register call signs as service marks, but as I understand it the degree of protection from other potential users is less. Of course, that was many years before Internet usage became an issue, so it may be very different now. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 22 13:39:13 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:39:13 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> Message-ID: He may have meant WBMX might bring back the WBCN calls which are parked...not put WFNX calls on 104.1... From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 22 23:41:02 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:41:02 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <500CC7CE.7070902@attorneyross.com> On 7/21/2012 11:50 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Call Sign WCAS is not available. > WCAS is assigned to the U. S. Coast Guard. > Vessel Information: > WCAS reserved for coast guard per Rebecca Little's request. Who's Rebecca Little? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 22 23:47:38 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:47:38 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <500CC95A.1070307@attorneyross.com> On 7/22/2012 3:56 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > This is why lawyers get rich..... I'm in the wrong field, I guess. :-) > Hypothetically let us say 96.9 decided to drop talk and go alternative > and were awarded the calls WFNX. In a case like that how could Mindich > argue he still owns the trademark after selling the station? CBS can > happily park calls like WBCN somewhere but the Phoenix can not. > > Carry it one step further - if another station did get the calls WFNX > could they then challenge that they should own wfnx.com? > > I heard tonight that CBS just might do it as WBMX means nothing to them. As I understand it, trade marking is independent of the FCC assigning call letters. I believe I once explained it on LTAR some years ago that if I decided to start a station, call it WCRD, and play classical music, the FCC may (probably would) assign the call letters, but there are any number of ways that I could be stopped legally, including trade mark (assuming the WCRB calls are trade marked), unfair competition, and probably some more sophisticated legal theories with which I am unfamiliar. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 22 23:59:54 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:59:54 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <500CCC3A.4090404@attorneyross.com> On 7/22/2012 9:15 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Put it another way...I might be able to start a restaurant company and > get state licensing officials to issue me the relevant permits and > licenses under the name "King of Burgers, LLC." But just because I > have that legal name on my permits doesn't mean I can go into the > marketplace and use that name in commerce. "WFNX" may disappear from > an FCC license, but "WFNX" is still very much in use in commerce, and > I expect Mindich and his lawyers to defend that use aggressively. Which will result in it being too expensive to defend any use of the name WFNX, even if somebody is right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 23 00:02:22 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:02:22 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> Message-ID: <500CCCCE.3080808@attorneyross.com> On 7/22/2012 10:52 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > I went through this some years ago in a previous job, and with the customary IANAL disclaimer in mind: we were told by counsel that you can't trademark any government-issued identifier. You can register call signs as service marks, but as I understand it the degree of protection from other potential users is less. So far as I know, the only real difference between a trade mark and a service mark is that the former is for a business of making things, and the latter is for anything else. The degree of protection, so far as I know, is the same. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jul 23 09:47:39 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: <500CCCCE.3080808@attorneyross.com> References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> <500CCCCE.3080808@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The latest by the way, from bostonradio tweets is that the sale hasn't closed yet; CC is awaiting a check today or tomorrow and apparently FNX (now playing songs, titles starting from Z to A) is still running from Lynn. We wait. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/22/2012 10:52 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> I went through this some years ago in a previous job, and with the >> customary IANAL disclaimer in mind: we were told by counsel that you can't >> trademark any government-issued identifier. You can register call signs as >> service marks, but as I understand it the degree of protection from other >> potential users is less. > > > So far as I know, the only real difference between a trade mark and a > service mark is that the former is for a business of making things, and the > latter is for anything else. The degree of protection, so far as I know, is > the same. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 24 10:01:33 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:01:33 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> <500CCCCE.3080808@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The following is a tweet posted 8 hrs ago by Carly Carioli--editor and publisher of the Boston Phoenix--as retweeted by Boston Radio Watch: >> ?)Won't have info until morning, but http://WFNX.com/ simulcast likely to end on 101.7 - & ClearChannel switch begin - late tues/early wed btw it was noted on radio-info by Kevin that the Phoenix used to own WWRX in Westerly (103.7)--bought from Clear Channel, as it turns out--and the far-reaching station was later sold for about $14 million to Entercom, in a great move to expand the reach of WEEI. Also remember the rumor by the Weekly Dig that Entercom was going to buy WFNX and place Mike there, thus clearing the way for WEEI to land on 93.7? It was indeed a rumor but not so far fetched--it's been said the Phoenix did try to sell FNX to Entercom..(The "rumor" was that the deal was done. It wasn't...) .Also both the print and Web editions of the Phoenix said that while selling to Clear Channel was against the anti-big-corporations philosophy of the paper, WFNX was losing "tens of millions of dollars" and they had to do it. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 24 13:11:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:11:36 -0400 Subject: Could Mindich have worked a deal to park WFNX on a boat somewhere? In-Reply-To: References: <500B7A8B.3070706@fybush.com> <500BFCEB.1090305@fybush.com> <97095CCC-C228-4252-8EE2-50CE090422F5@aol.com> <500CCCCE.3080808@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: As we wait for the official end of WFNX, I am thinking more and more that CC will apply for the WFNX calls and transfer them to some obscure outpost and also host WFNX.com on I Heart. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > The following is a tweet posted 8 hrs ago by Carly Carioli--editor and > publisher of the Boston Phoenix--as retweeted by Boston Radio Watch: > >>> ?)Won't have info until morning, but http://WFNX.com/ simulcast likely to end on 101.7 - & ClearChannel switch begin - late tues/early wed > > btw it was noted on radio-info by Kevin that the Phoenix used to own > WWRX in Westerly (103.7)--bought from Clear Channel, as it turns > out--and the far-reaching station was later sold for about $14 million > to Entercom, in a great move to expand the reach of WEEI. Also > remember the rumor by the Weekly Dig that Entercom was going to buy > WFNX and place Mike there, thus clearing the way for WEEI to land on > 93.7? It was indeed a rumor but not so far fetched--it's been said the > Phoenix did try to sell FNX to Entercom..(The "rumor" was that the > deal was done. It wasn't...) .Also both the print and Web editions of > the Phoenix said that while selling to Clear Channel was against the > anti-big-corporations philosophy of the paper, WFNX was losing "tens > of millions of dollars" and they had to do it. > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 24 15:14:00 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) Message-ID: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.metvnetwork.com/files/Me-TV%20Hearst%20July%202012%20PR.pdf? No start date is listed, nor what will happen to WMFP. If this means that ME will be carried in full I'm all for it. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jul 24 16:27:39 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:27:39 -0400 Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) In-Reply-To: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My cable company (Charter), as well as DiSH carry channel 62-1 because they have to. It's likely they won't carry 5-2 (neither carry any of the existing subs, presumably because they don't have to). The channel 62 signal is pretty good, and I don't think people really care about channel numbers any more. So, other than consolidation, I don't see what is to be gained by moving their programming off of 62-1 and going to 5-2. -Bob On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > http://www.metvnetwork.com/files/Me-TV%20Hearst%20July%202012%20PR.pdf > > No start date is listed, nor what will happen to WMFP. If this means that > ME will be carried in full I'm all for it. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jul 24 16:28:32 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:28:32 -0400 Subject: The Harbor debuts Message-ID: <20120724202832.80570@gmx.com> 4:03 pm WFNX went silent After some silence, a bit of a country tune then Dirty Water a couple times. Finally the announcement: Newest radio station, WHBA Lynn-Boston. The Harbor. We play anything. Commercial free summer. Then the second song, Sweet Emotion From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 24 17:33:16 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:33:16 -0400 Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) In-Reply-To: References: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500F149C.6010609@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2012 4:27 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > My cable company (Charter), as well as DiSH carry channel 62-1 because > they have to. It's likely they won't carry 5-2 (neither carry any > of the existing subs, presumably because they don't have to). > > The channel 62 signal is pretty good, and I don't think people really care > about channel numbers any more. > > So, other than consolidation, I don't see what is to be gained by moving > their programming off of 62-1 and going to 5-2. Oh, so it's 5-2. So WCVB will continue to be an ABC affiliate. That makes more sense. My cable company (Comcast) carries all of the secondary channels, so far as I can tell. Perhaps they think they have to. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 24 17:06:18 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:06:18 -0400 Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) In-Reply-To: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500F0E4A.6080202@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2012 3:14 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > http://www.metvnetwork.com/files/Me-TV%20Hearst%20July%202012%20PR.pdf > > > No start date is listed, nor what will happen to WMFP. If this means that ME will be carried in full I'm all for it. Does that mean that WCVB will no longer be an ABC affiliate? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 24 18:33:17 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) In-Reply-To: <500F0E4A.6080202@attorneyross.com> References: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <500F0E4A.6080202@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1343169197.1046.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Should have been clearer - this is for a subchannel on 5.2. ABC and regular programming remain on 5.1 and on 5/805 on Comcast. ________________________________ From: A. Joseph Ross To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) On 7/24/2012 3:14 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > http://www.metvnetwork.com/files/Me-TV%20Hearst%20July%202012%20PR.pdf > > > No start date is listed, nor what will happen to WMFP. If this means that ME will be carried in full I'm all for it. Does that mean that WCVB will no longer be an ABC affiliate? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jul 24 19:29:28 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:29:28 -0400 Subject: Hearst stations agree to carry ME-TV (including WCVB) In-Reply-To: References: <1343157240.30108.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301cd69f4$2bc6d4c0$83547e40$@net> > So, other than consolidation, I don't see what is to be gained by > moving their programming off of 62-1 and going to 5-2. They will probably run a lot less (or maybe no) infomercials on 5-2, where their ran them after 10 PM on 62-1. I suspect 62 will just go back to RTV, unless maybe they can grab "Antenna TV" which is another one that isn't available here. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Jul 24 23:14:21 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 101.7 The Harbor Message-ID: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give them that.? But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC think it'll work now? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 25 08:30:19 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:30:19 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? Message-ID: It's 8:25 AM on Wednesday 7/25 2012. I have not noticed any of the usual progressive talkers on WWZN AM 1510 for at least the last 12 hours. WWZN had been running Randi Rhodes and sometimes Norman Goldman in parts of those overnight hours. They seem to have switched to Yahoo! Sports and nothing but. Maybe that's not what happened, but that's what it sounds like to me. Anyone have more or different info? ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jul 25 09:06:40 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:06:40 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we are still broadcasting! You can watch the live video stream of Rebuild America atwww.RevolutionRadioNetwork.com using your computer or your mobile device. We are working diligently to solve the problem, and hope to be back up as soon as possible. Thanks for listening! " On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anyone have more or different info? > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jul 25 10:49:17 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:49:17 -0400 Subject: 101.7 The Harbor In-Reply-To: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> I'm surprised at how rocky a start this seems to be: WFNX signed off Friday night, but came back on Monday. Then a debut as Harbor followed, and now they are off again. Does anyone know more about the process they're going through? For example, are they changing transmitter facilities as well as ownership? --RC On 07/24/2012 11:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give them that. > > But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC think it'll work now? > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 11:51:27 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:51:27 -0400 Subject: 101.7 The Harbor In-Reply-To: <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> References: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Don't know but on now at 11:51 with Come On Eileen On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > I'm surprised at how rocky a start this seems to be: WFNX signed off Friday > night, but came back on Monday. Then a debut as Harbor followed, and now > they are off again. Does anyone know more about the process they're going > through? For example, are they changing transmitter facilities as well as > ownership? > > --RC > > > On 07/24/2012 11:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give >> them that. >> >> But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, >> admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC >> think it'll work now? >> > From francini@mac.com Wed Jul 25 11:38:23 2012 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:38:23 -0400 Subject: 101.7 The Harbor In-Reply-To: <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> References: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4AA24E22-0C5A-40B9-83CA-67C990F22AAD@mac.com> When did they go off the air? I heard them this morning driving into the office from 09:15-09:40. Amongst what I heard: Billy Joel/"Big Shot", Genesis/"Land of Confusion", "You Take My Breath Away" (can't recall the singer). j On 25 Jul 2012, at 10:49, Richard Chonak wrote: > I'm surprised at how rocky a start this seems to be: WFNX signed off Friday night, but came back on Monday. Then a debut as Harbor followed, and now they are off again. Does anyone know more about the process they're going through? For example, are they changing transmitter facilities as well as ownership? > > --RC > > > On 07/24/2012 11:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give them that. >> >> But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC think it'll work now? >> > From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jul 25 12:03:26 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:26 -0400 Subject: 101.7 The Harbor In-Reply-To: References: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <501018CE.5020903@gabrielmass.com> Thanks; I must have having technical difficulties of my own here! :-) --RC On 07/25/2012 11:51 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Don't know but on now at 11:51 with Come On Eileen > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> I'm surprised at how rocky a start this seems to be: WFNX signed off Friday >> night, but came back on Monday. Then a debut as Harbor followed, and now >> they are off again. Does anyone know more about the process they're going >> through? For example, are they changing transmitter facilities as well as >> ownership? >> >> --RC >> >> >> On 07/24/2012 11:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >>> Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give >>> them that. >>> >>> But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, >>> admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC >>> think it'll work now? >>> From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 12:54:23 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:54:23 -0400 Subject: 101.7 The Harbor In-Reply-To: <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> References: <1343186061.61481.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5010076D.30002@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <3fd366e7-1c57-4d06-a3a6-19dceb6ac9f2@email.android.com> If the mic were live you'd likely hear murmorings like, "Dude, what?s this button do?" _____________________________________________ From: Richard Chonak Sent: Wed Jul 25 10:49:17 EDT 2012 To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: 101.7 The Harbor I'm surprised at how rocky a start this seems to be: WFNX signed off Friday night, but came back on Monday. Then a debut as Harbor followed, and now they are off again. Does anyone know more about the process they're going through? For example, are they changing transmitter facilities as well as ownership? --RC On 07/24/2012 11:14 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Library is deep, based on a half-hour of listening tonight, I will give them that. > > But to me it just sounds mostly like a weekend '80s show (I like those, admittedly) 24-7. '80s-driven stations haven't worked before, what makes CC think it'll work now? > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 25 12:36:30 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:36:30 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: > > "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we > are still broadcasting! > They've been operating on a shoestring for ages, and Jeff is basically a one-man gang. It's some of the left-over sports shows (left over from their last format) that made them a few bucks but the rest was brokered time and some syndicated shows plus Jeff twice a day. Lots of financial issues with their owners, I am told. That seems to be part of the reason why Dial Global pulled Ed Schultz, Thom Hartman and Stephanie Miller and is shopping them elsewhere. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 14:03:42 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:03:42 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> References: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I don't know how they pay National Grid for power. I am guessing Katz was pulled until he pays up as 1510 is getting other vendors on the air. BTW - When the Red Sox are on the road the Spanish announcers are at Fenway calling the game off a monitor. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> > From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: >> >> "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we >> are still broadcasting! >> >> > They've been operating on a shoestring for ages, and Jeff is basically a > one-man gang. It's some of the left-over sports shows (left over from > their last format) that made them a few bucks but the rest was brokered > time and some syndicated shows plus Jeff twice a day. Lots of financial > issues with their owners, I am told. That seems to be part of the reason > why Dial Global pulled Ed Schultz, Thom Hartman and Stephanie Miller and is > shopping them elsewhere. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 14:34:04 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:34:04 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Mike I was just pointing out that WWZN is having no problems putting material on the air. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:03:42 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? > > From: kvahey@gmail.com > > > > > BTW - When the Red Sox are on the road the Spanish announcers are at > Fenway > > calling the game off a monitor. > > Different issue... Spanish Beisbol Productions - a separate entity - > leases/barters that time. They too, are on a shoestring budget. > > Mike > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Wed Jul 25 14:10:31 2012 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:10:31 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: , , <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com>, Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:03:42 -0400 > Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? > From: kvahey@gmail.com > > BTW - When the Red Sox are on the road the Spanish announcers are at Fenway > calling the game off a monitor. Different issue... Spanish Beisbol Productions - a separate entity - leases/barters that time. They too, are on a shoestring budget. Mike From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 14:52:07 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:52:07 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: When you said Katz did you mean Santos? Jeff Katz is at CC's Talk 1200 From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 14:56:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:56:34 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: <5010208E.8000806@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Yes I meant Santos On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > When you said Katz did you mean Santos? Jeff Katz is at CC's Talk 1200 > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jul 25 15:10:46 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:10:46 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <20120725174207.311430@gmx.com> References: <20120725174207.311430@gmx.com> Message-ID: > > ... Right-wing talk-show hosts constantly promoted the idea that left-wing > talk isn't as entertaining as its > right-wing counterpart, even though hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Bill > Bennett, and Mark Levin > among others rivalled Ambien(tm) ... > I don't think I've ever heard that argument. What I've heard them say (gloat would be a better word) is that left-wing radio hosts have never been able to create an economically viable product. This is a bit hyperbolic. More accurately, left-wing hosts have had a more difficult time and the success has been more limited. Measured by the class of stations that carry them, radio hosts like Ed Schultz or Randi Rhodes seem to be as successful as the second or third tier right-wingers you mentioned. However, there appears to be no left-wing equivalent to Rush or Hannity. Opinions about why this is the case are varied. I personally like the argument that most potential left-leaning listeners are quite happy with public radio stations. They don't need to endure commercials to get what they want to listen to. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 25 15:55:06 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:55:06 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: > > "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we > are still broadcasting! You can watch the live video stream of Rebuild > America atwww.RevolutionRadioNetwork.com > using > your computer or your mobile device. We are working diligently to solve the > problem, and hope to be back up as soon as possible. Thanks for listening! " Or maybe Jeff Santos ran out of money to pay WWZN. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From mward@iname.com Wed Jul 25 16:12:37 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:12:37 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Where does Jeff do his show? I couldn't tell from the video this afternoon...I assume it's not at wherever WWZN is, as he would, in theory, have no "technical problems" in their own facility and studio. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:55 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > >From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: >> >> "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we >> are still broadcasting! You can watch the live video stream of Rebuild >> America atwww.RevolutionRadioNetwork.**com >> >> > >> using >> your computer or your mobile device. We are working diligently to solve >> the >> problem, and hope to be back up as soon as possible. Thanks for >> listening! " >> > > Or maybe Jeff Santos ran out of money to pay WWZN. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 25 16:12:44 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:12:44 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> It seems odd to me that money or legal problems with former syndicator, Dial Global, would not be not behind this. I find it difficult (though not 100% impossible) to believe that there is a technical problem that would silence both the local programming (Santos' two daily shows totalling six hours Mon-Fri) and the satellite feeds from several different program distributors (including CCU's Premiere, which distributes Randi Rhodes). Whether money problems are or aren't at the root of the problem, I find the idea that lack of money is the real problem much easier to swallow than the technical problems that Santos mentioned in his YouTube video. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? > On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> >From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: >> >> "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we >> are still broadcasting! You can watch the live video stream of Rebuild >> America >> atwww.RevolutionRadioNetwork.com >> using >> your computer or your mobile device. We are working diligently to solve >> the >> problem, and hope to be back up as soon as possible. Thanks for >> listening! " > > Or maybe Jeff Santos ran out of money to pay WWZN. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 25 16:25:21 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:25:21 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50105631.3090709@attorneyross.com> On 7/25/2012 4:12 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > It seems odd to me that money or legal problems with former > syndicator, Dial > Global, would not be not behind this. I find it difficult (though not > 100% > impossible) to believe that there is a technical problem that would > silence > both the local programming (Santos' two daily shows totalling six hours > Mon-Fri) and the satellite feeds from several different program > distributors > (including CCU's Premiere, which distributes Randi Rhodes). Whether money > problems are or aren't at the root of the problem, I find the idea > that lack > of money is the real problem much easier to swallow than the technical > problems that Santos mentioned in his YouTube video. If Santos isn't doing his show from the WWZN studios, perhaps the technical problem is between wherever he's doing his show and WWZN. Assuming he's also handling the network connections for the shows from his HQ, too, this would work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From mward@iname.com Wed Jul 25 16:46:45 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:46:45 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <50105A47.3020308@donnahalper.com> References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> <50105A47.3020308@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Are those existing broadcast facilities, i.e. a former or current station? It doesn't look like something Jeff could build for his own purposes... On Jul 25, 2012 4:42 PM, "Donna Halper" wrote: > On 7/25/2012 4:12 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > >> Where does Jeff do his show? I couldn't tell from the video this >> afternoon...I assume it's not at wherever WWZN is, as he would, in theory, >> have no "technical problems" in their own facility and studio. >> >> > He does his show from studios in Marina Bay (Quincy) twice a day-- morning > and then afternoon drive. There have been rumors about financial problems > for months, and not just because of the current format-- the previous > format had problems too. > From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Jul 25 16:46:59 2012 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:46:59 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" Message-ID: "Sure, a little bit of everything, but for me it added up to nothing." Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/entertainment/mikestand/Boston-s-Newest-Radio-Station-Anything-and-Nothing/-/15141592/15703712/-/o5g7caz/-/index.html#ixzz21fYxHyT4 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 25 16:42:47 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:42:47 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <50105A47.3020308@donnahalper.com> On 7/25/2012 4:12 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > Where does Jeff do his show? I couldn't tell from the video this > afternoon...I assume it's not at wherever WWZN is, as he would, in theory, > have no "technical problems" in their own facility and studio. > He does his show from studios in Marina Bay (Quincy) twice a day-- morning and then afternoon drive. There have been rumors about financial problems for months, and not just because of the current format-- the previous format had problems too. From lspin@comcast.net Wed Jul 25 17:09:12 2012 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:09:12 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101cd6aa9$bde85670$39b90350$@net> That article is spot-on. I tuned-in to 101.7 today to hear Hootie And The Blowfish... Normally, I'd be immediately out-of-there, but I hung in and listened. After a few minutes, there was still nothing for me. What a waste. Someone had commented earlier today, "...The beige-ing of Boston Radio." Yup. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:47 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" "Sure, a little bit of everything, but for me it added up to nothing." Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/entertainment/mikestand/Boston-s-Newest-Radio-Stati on-Anything-and-Nothing/-/15141592/15703712/-/o5g7caz/-/index.html#ixzz21fYx HyT4 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 26 03:17:58 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 03:17:58 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" In-Reply-To: <002101cd6aa9$bde85670$39b90350$@net> References: <002101cd6aa9$bde85670$39b90350$@net> Message-ID: I heard Echo and the Bunnymen The Killing Moon on 92.5 (as 101.7 was playing boring, predictable stuff) and said to myself, time to steer my boat out of the Harbor and into The River. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Lou wrote: > That article is spot-on. I tuned-in to 101.7 today to hear Hootie And The > Blowfish... Normally, I'd be immediately out-of-there, but I hung in and > listened. After a few minutes, there was still nothing for me. What a > waste. Someone had commented earlier today, "...The beige-ing of Boston > Radio." Yup. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Ken VanTassell > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:47 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" > > "Sure, a little bit of everything, but for me it added up to nothing." > > Read more: > http://www.wcvb.com/news/entertainment/mikestand/Boston-s-Newest-Radio-Stati > on-Anything-and-Nothing/-/15141592/15703712/-/o5g7caz/-/index.html#ixzz21fYx > HyT4 > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 26 09:32:50 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:32:50 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? I apparently wrote: > It seems odd to me that money or legal problems with former syndicator, > Dial > Global, would not be not behind this.> I think I must have meant: > It seems odd to me that money problems or legal problems with former > syndicator, Dial Global, would not be behind this.> I proofread and edit just about everything I post. This screwup is just plain embarassing! Sorry. dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Jul 26 15:03:18 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WGBH buys PRI Message-ID: <1343329398.27586.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.pri.org/stories/business/nonprofits/public-radio-international-acquired-by-boston-public-broadcaster-wgbh-10840.html? And a pre-existing relationship between the organizations gets tighter. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 26 22:56:28 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:56:28 -0400 Subject: WGBH buys PRI In-Reply-To: <1343329398.27586.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343329398.27586.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20498.860.418364.314420@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://www.pri.org/stories/business/nonprofits/public-radio-international-acquired-by-boston-public-broadcaster-wgbh-10840.html? > And a pre-existing relationship between the organizations gets > tighter. I wonder if this is in some weird way related to the fact that Minnesota Public Radio ("APM") has taken over U.S. distribution for the BBC World Service, which used to be a PRI thing. Seems to have happened earlier this month. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 26 23:05:40 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:05:40 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" In-Reply-To: References: <002101cd6aa9$bde85670$39b90350$@net> Message-ID: <20498.1412.509812.630532@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I heard Echo and the Bunnymen The Killing Moon on 92.5 (as 101.7 was > playing boring, predictable stuff) and said to myself, time to steer > my boat out of the Harbor and into The River. A decent option on the North Shore, but 25 kW from Haverhill doesn't really do much for people close to the Pru. I often listen on my way in to work in the morning, and have to switch to satellite as I'm coming towards exit 18. They also have this annoying habit of scheduling their stop sets at exactly the times I'm getting in the car and looking for some entertainment, which pretty much ensures that I don't get much actual listening in. Their playlist is also fairly conventional, but it's a different format from both the old WFNX and the new WHBA. I'm also a bit irritated at their stagers that talk about "no corporate overlords", etc., when I know full well that their corporate overlord is an attorney whose offices are located at 288 South River Road in Bedford, N.H., and who is famous for his "hands on" management (at least when it comes to the station of his that he can get at his office). -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jul 21 12:56:30 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA Message-ID: <20120721165630.34150@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 07/21/12 11:11 AM >To: Richard Chonak >Subject: Re: It appears 101.7 will become WHBA >The new WHBA may well be patterned after this Clear Channel station in >Cleveland called 'The Lake' >http://www.1065thelake.com/main.html >CC just this past week started 'The Lake' in Charlotte >http://www.1029thelake.com/pages/1029thelake.html?article=10240368 > Boston doesn't have a lake, it has a harbor. Several years ago, officials in Vermonet attempted have Lake Champlain named one of the Great Lakes. Had they succeeded, then it appears to me that Jamaica Pond WOULD qualify as a lake, if only an ok lake. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jul 24 12:32:47 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:32:47 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns Message-ID: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> It appears that the Jeff Santos era in Boston has come to an end. When not carrying Jeff Santos's morning drive show, Jeff Santos's afternoon drive show, taped repeats of the Jeff Santos morning drive show or taped repeats of the Jeff Santos afternoon drive show, WWZN-AM 1510 would run Norman Goldman or Randi Rhodes, Al Sharpton or Warren Ballentine. As of this afternoon (Tuesday), they've been airing the Yahoo! Sports Network. Station IDs have been by that guy with the really deep voice who intones the call letters and their former identifier "The Zone". Presumably they will still carry Major League, I mean Red Sox games in Spanish. I'm really surprised the station kept the "progressive talk" for so long. Santos's show was so bad, it was like an anchor and not a flotation device in a canoe. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 25 13:27:59 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:27:59 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? Message-ID: <20120725172759.34160@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob DeMattia >Sent: 07/25/12 09:06 AM >To: Dan.Strassberg, boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? >From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: >"We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we >are still broadcasting! You can watch the live video stream of Rebuild >America atwww.RevolutionRadioNetwork.com > using >your computer or your mobile device. We are working diligently to solve the >problem, and hope to be back up as soon as possible. Thanks for listening! " >On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anyone have more or different info? > > I would not normally know or care whether the Red Sox are playing at Fenway Pahk or on the road, but this weekend a musical event is taking place at a theater on Commonwealth Avenue on the Boston University campus. It's an annual midsummer event, and each year I check to see of the Sox are playing at "home" so I can decide which day to attend, since the theater is so close to the ball park that I would have to leave my car near the WBUR studio and walk a good distance. No problem on a nice day, but if there's a normal rainy day or lightning storms, that's different. Thus I know the games right now are hundreds of miles away, yet WWZN can pick up the Spanish broadcast without trouble and carry them as usual. Something does not compute. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 25 13:42:07 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:42:07 -0400 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? Message-ID: <20120725174207.311430@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Donna Halper >Sent: 07/25/12 12:36 PM >To: Bob DeMattia >Subject: Re: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? On 7/25/2012 9:06 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > From their website, a posting from Jeff Santos: > > "We are experiencing technical difficulties on AM 1510 in Boston, but we > are still broadcasting! > >They've been operating on a shoestring for ages, and Jeff is basically a >one-man gang. It's some of the left-over sports shows (left over from >their last format) that made them a few bucks but the rest was brokered >time and some syndicated shows plus Jeff twice a day. Lots of financial >issues with their owners, I am told. That seems to be part of the >reason why Dial Global pulled Ed Schultz, Thom Hartman and Stephanie >Miller and is shopping them elsewhere. "Dial Global...is shopping them elsewhere"! Even before the Jeff Santos-financed "Progressive Talk" on WWZN-AM, it would seem that there should have been a market for Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz, since both shows are professionally produced and "entertaining". (Right-wing talk-show hosts constantly promoted the idea that left-wing talk isn't as entertaining as its right-wing counterpart, even though hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Bill Bennett, and Mark Levin among others rivalled Ambien(tm) and without the side effects. Apparently nobody saw fit to add them to their lineups then, and it's unlikely now unless some suburban signal is interested. From linc45r-n@lincster.com Wed Jul 25 17:03:45 2012 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:03:45 -0700 Subject: Progressive talk gone from WWZN? In-Reply-To: <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> References: <50104F1A.7050704@attorneyross.com> <12B89B3B5D894A4D988F095A045DC9D0@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50105F31.5090209@lincster.com> In small markets like mine, Burns and Lakeview, Oregon, Dial Global is straight barter, in cities like Boston I believe you have income from the network. With a station like WWZN it's probably not much, so perhaps management is in a dispute about how much they are being compensated. I program my own Classic Rock FM's, with Tesh, Delilah and Donnie, plus a local morning show, I use Music Master sine for all but Delilah I progarm the music. My AM is Country. We were Dial Global's True Country until June 1st. I had renewed for 36 months when I got a FedEx letter saying they were dropping the format, so I went with Cumulus' "Real Country." I have to say DG did me a favor, Real is much better for my market! Linc >> > > > From brian.hatgelakas@verizon.net Thu Jul 26 08:31:57 2012 From: brian.hatgelakas@verizon.net (Brian Hatgelakas) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:31:57 -0400 Subject: the harbor article! Message-ID: <000801cd6b2a$a65095f0$1400ba43@BRIAN> Hello Everyone. I am a recent college graduate with my BA in broadcast journalism and mass communications I am very passionate about the radio industry and am hoping to find work in it. As a Boston native I miss WFNX loved all the jocks and the format. I really enjoyed the leftover weekends and lunches they'd have on the station. Please send me the text of the article about 1017 I am visually impaired and my screen reader freezes up on WCVB's sight. Thanks and have a great day. my email address is brian.hatgelakas@verizon.net. From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jul 26 22:36:53 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:36:53 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" In-Reply-To: References: <002101cd6aa9$bde85670$39b90350$@net> Message-ID: <34F7723C-1FD7-43E9-A711-0D18D4466F21@charter.net> I've listened some to WHBA. So far, I haven't heard a song that wasn't instantly recognizable in the first five seconds. I suppose that's what some people want. "We play anything"? Really? What they play is in such a narrow range--overplayed '70s and '80s rock hits. I was tired of most of the songs they play years ago. Paul On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I heard Echo and the Bunnymen The Killing Moon on 92.5 (as 101.7 was > playing boring, predictable stuff) and said to myself, time to steer > my boat out of the Harbor and into The River. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 27 00:51:47 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:51:47 -0400 Subject: WGBH buys PRI In-Reply-To: <20498.860.418364.314420@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1343329398.27586.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20498.860.418364.314420@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <50121E63.3000308@attorneyross.com> On 7/26/2012 10:56 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I wonder if this is in some weird way related to the fact that > Minnesota Public Radio ("APM") has taken over U.S. distribution for > the BBC World Service, which used to be a PRI thing. Seems to have > happened earlier this month. That's curious. If PRI was distributing the BBC World Service, why is it on WBUR, not WGBH, which seems to carry most PRI programs. Does WBUR carry anything else from PRI? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 27 01:49:30 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:49:30 -0400 Subject: WGBH buys PRI In-Reply-To: <50121E63.3000308@attorneyross.com> References: <1343329398.27586.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20498.860.418364.314420@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <50121E63.3000308@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20498.11242.401854.44388@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > That's curious. If PRI was distributing the BBC World Service, why is > it on WBUR, not WGBH, which seems to carry most PRI programs. Does WBUR > carry anything else from PRI? Most public radio stations get some of their programming from all three of the major distributors (NPR, PRI, APM) and many also get programming from PRX. All of them can use the Public Radio Satellite System, which is operated by NPR on a fee-for-service basis. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jul 27 01:46:06 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:46:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" Message-ID: <17007827.1343367966682.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 101.7 "The Harbor" claims to play "anything", but the defunct 93.7 "Mike-FM" claimed to play "everything". I don't know what the difference is between "anything" and "everything", but neither one did/does either one. EP From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 27 02:46:33 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:46:33 -0400 Subject: Spot on article from the WCVB Website about "the harbor" In-Reply-To: <17007827.1343367966682.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17007827.1343367966682.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50123949.1050307@donnahalper.com> On 7/27/2012 1:46 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > I don't know what the difference is between "anything" > and "everything", but neither one did/does either one. > That reminds me of stations saying they are in the middle of an "uninterrupted music hour"-- and then they interrupt every two songs to let you know it's an uninterrupted music hour... From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 03:59:14 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:59:14 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? Message-ID: Back in 1978 when the old 'MOR' format was skewing too old, Al Ham cooked up a format called 'Music Of Your Life' and it became very popular. ( In Boston it was on WXKS-AM for years ) Of course now there are many people in their early to mid 60's who no longer have their music on the radio. Now if you look at what was popular 50 years ago http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1962/surveyjul2462.html or 45 years ago http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1967/surveyjul2567.html Now the mighty 740 in Cambridge is an outlet - but honestly with all the AM's out there can't somebody package a MOYL format and then sell it to retirement homes just like Ham did for MOR? I think 1510 or 1150 could actually do nicely with this. I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that didn't even exist (The Archies ) Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the AM band is. Thoughts? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 27 08:42:46 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? References: Message-ID: You are aware, aren't you? that WAZN 1470 carries MOYL 'round the clock on weekends (although the station recently started selling some of that time) and 6:00PM to 6:00AM (yes, overnight) Monday thru Friday. A whole bunch of Arthur Liu's other AMs around the country have similar arrangements. The feed began a couple of months ago. There were serious audio problems for a while but those were eventually resolved. Within the past couple of weeks, however, I've noticed that MOYL is again coming to us over a background of ac-line related hum. I'm not sure, but MOYL may not be the only feed on WAZN that is plagued by hum. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:59 AM Subject: How long before this happens? > Back in 1978 when the old 'MOR' format was skewing too old, Al Ham cooked > up a format called 'Music Of Your Life' and it became very popular. ( In > Boston it was on WXKS-AM for years ) > > Of course now there are many people in their early to mid 60's who no > longer have their music on the radio. > > Now if you look at what was popular 50 years ago > > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1962/surveyjul2462.html > > or 45 years ago > > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1967/surveyjul2567.html > > > Now the mighty 740 in Cambridge is an outlet - but honestly with all the > AM's out there can't somebody package a MOYL format and then sell it to > retirement homes just like Ham did for MOR? I think 1510 or 1150 could > actually do nicely with this. > > I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to > album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that > didn't even exist (The Archies ) > > > Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the > AM band is. > > Thoughts? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 08:56:15 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:56:15 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also the AM 740 in Toronto is called Zoomer radio and says they cater to "active baby boomers" With regards to retirement homes we've mentioned a service called Companion Radio that offers different channels and is used in rest homes, assisted living, etc. When I go by Blueberry Hill health care in Beverly I can pick it up briefly on 98.9; at the facility where my Dad used to live, Brightview in Danvers (he has since moved to a rest home in Nahant) they offer a channel at 90.7 which again you can pick up if you pass by them, briefly. Of course these stations tend to run stuff from the 40s--for people like my dad who is now 91, rather than stuff from the 50s-60s etc. I think places like Brightview might cater to some who are a bit younger, maybe in their 70s and maybe their tastes are factored in, though...I think I caught a snippet of one show playing folk from the early 60s... For perspective, John, Paul, George and RIngo were all born in the early 40s. Two are now deceased but their birth dates are 1940, 42, and 43. Sir Paul turned 70 this year...and if George were with us he'd turn 70 next year. Time marches on. As I noted when WODS flipped, the day before the flip one of their songs was I Wanna Hold Your Hand and I thought, I'm 50 and that song came out when I was 2. If you were, say, born in 1952 (like Howie Carr), that song came out when you are 12, and you are now 60. And in radio demos, even 50 yr olds like me aren't quite prized.Admittedly WODS had also played music from the 70s and 80s, but the fact that they still played one act who debuted 48 years ago on the American music charts showed maybe it was time to update the music mix. (And I wondered if, say, an oldies station in 1990 would have been playing a song from 1942...no, I don't think WODS at the time would have played Glenn Miller...Wikipedia says among the #1 hits of 1942, the year Paul McCartney was born, were Miller's "Chattanooga Choo Choo", "Moonlight Cocktail", and "Kalamazoo", none of which I recall hearing on what was then Oldies 103 in 1990 :) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 09:02:45 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:02:45 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> Message-ID: Mark S (bostonradio) on twitter has said he's been monitoring Santos' show streamed. He doesn't know for sure but thinks Santos couldn't come up with the money, or someone else offered WWZN more to air Yahoo Sports Radio. Among Mark's tweets: "Watching Santos' afternoon show now.He gave a shot-out to all his radio affils and then added "fighting to stay here in Boston". Pretty sure he's paying Blackstrap for four hours he's using 1510's studios for his national show, but not for the other 20...On a live A/V stream, it appears he's working out of 1510's studio in Marina Bay in Quincy which seems kind of odd....Looks like he's still streaming via http://revolutionradionetwork.com/ but nothing over the air in BOS or Revs' other radio affils" From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jul 27 09:26:11 2012 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3A1286160077-E8C-1E224@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> Where one or more seniors-oriented formats should fly very well would be here on Cape Cod. I say 'formats' because the station that would play Benny Goodman and Tessie Brewer would not necessarily be the one playing the Beatles, Stones, and Doors. There is a sort-of oldies station on 102.3 in Truro, but the signal is not top-notch by the time you get to the busy Hyannis commercial district. Light rockers on 92.7 and 104.7 are OK but seldom go into deeper / older material (no '50s doo-wop or earlier, no big-band). I wish someone would grab 1240 in West Yarmouth or one of the redundant-format FM's and do something similar to WJIB, though perhaps with a bit more uptempo razzle-dazzle like some of Bill Marlowe's old shows or what WNEW (NYC) was doing in the evenings in the '60s and '70s. A live DJ who showed passion for the music and who could intelligently put sets together would be a plus. If they occasionally slipped in something by my all-time favourite (and, on this side of the pond, under-appreciated) singer Helen Shapiro, then I would be more than happy to donate to the station and/or patronize sponsors. I am thinking that many others in the sizeable over-50 age group here would respond similarly. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA << You are aware, aren't you? that WAZN 1470 carries MOYL 'round the clock on? weekends (although the station recently started selling some of that time)? and 6:00PM to 6:00AM (yes, overnight) Monday thru Friday. A whole bunch of? Arthur Liu's other AMs around the country have similar arrangements. The? feed began a couple of months ago. There were serious audio problems for a? while but those were eventually resolved. Within the past couple of weeks,? however, I've noticed that MOYL is again coming to us over a background of? ac-line related hum. I'm not sure, but MOYL may not be the only feed on WAZN? that is plagued by hum.? ? -----? Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)? eFax 1-707-215-6367? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" ? To: "Boston Radio Group" ? Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:59 AM? Subject: How long before this happens?? ? > Back in 1978 when the old 'MOR' format was skewing too old, Al Ham cooked? > up a format called 'Music Of Your Life' and it became very popular. ( In? > Boston it was on WXKS-AM for years )? >? > Of course now there are many people in their early to mid 60's who no? > longer have their music on the radio.? >? > Now if you look at what was popular 50 years ago? >? > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1962/surveyjul2462.html? >? > or 45 years ago? >? > http://musicradio77.com/Surveys/1967/surveyjul2567.html? >? >? > Now the mighty 740 in Cambridge is an outlet - but honestly with all the? > AM's out there can't somebody package a MOYL format and then sell it to? > retirement homes just like Ham did for MOR? I think 1510 or 1150 could? > actually do nicely with this.? >? > I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to? > album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that? > didn't even exist (The Archies )? >? >? > Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the? > AM band is.? >? > Thoughts?? >> From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 27 10:12:12 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:12:12 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to > album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that > didn't even exist (The Archies ) > Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the > AM band is. > Thoughts? My parents are in their sixties, and they don't listen to AM. They don't listen to oldies, either: they listen to pop-country on WKLB-FM. Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jul 27 10:38:38 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:38:38 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: *Garrett Wollman wrote:* *Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. * OK, but I'm still not listening to AMP. :-) -Bob > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 11:26:41 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:26:41 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: As for the 1240, BU has that to rely WBUR and I don't think they'd get rid of it (nor would UMass get rid of the 1170 in Falmouth that // WUMB) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > *Garrett Wollman wrote:* > *Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music > they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. > * > > OK, but I'm still not listening to AMP. > :-) > > -Bob > > > >> From mward@iname.com Fri Jul 27 12:37:32 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:37:32 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> Message-ID: On 7/27/12, Bob Nelson wrote: > Pretty sure he's paying Blackstrap for four hours he's > using 1510's studios for his national show, but not for the other > 20...On a live A/V stream, it appears he's working out of 1510's > studio in Marina Bay in Quincy which seems kind of odd....Looks like > he's still streaming via http://revolutionradionetwork.com/ but > nothing over the air in BOS or Revs' other radio affils" Why is he using 1510's studios but not on the air there? Is that extra $? And that one day I watched his webcast, I checked the stream of one of his other stations, WWNN/1470 in Pompano Beach, Florida, and they were running his show. http://wwnnradio.com/show-hosts That was a couple of days ago. I assume they were picking up the webstream. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 12:46:35 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:46:35 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> Message-ID: Thanks for info, Donna. I had heard something about Dial Global maybe shopping their shows elsewhere--but to whom? I would doubt RKO, TKK, or XKS AM--who has room in their schedule? (maybe delayed broadcast)...a small AM maybe (1330? 1360? Not the best signals!) I would think the Salem stations wouldn't be crazy about prog talk (590, 950, 1150) and they're doing their own thing anyway. So you say DG not crazy about them having to lease the time to get the shows on. (I can think of one station with a fairly good daytime signal, but would doubt the owner--who runs via listener contributions, not ads--would want to do that: namely, WJIB... Who else would run them? If anything advertisers may prefer sports talk which can skew younger, which is why I wonder if RKO might turn to 24/7 ESPN if Howie leaves. Ad agencies may prefer people in their 30s wanting to talk NFL, to folks in their 50s who want political talk..though I would hope poli-talk can attract younger people too. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 27 12:19:04 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:19:04 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> Message-ID: <5012BF78.3010607@donnahalper.com> On 7/27/2012 9:02 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Among Mark's tweets: "Watching Santos' afternoon show now.He gave a > shot-out to all his radio affils and then added "fighting to stay here > in Boston". Pretty sure he's paying Blackstrap for four hours he's > using 1510's studios for his national show, but not for the other > 20...On a live A/V stream, it appears he's working out of 1510's > studio in Marina Bay in Quincy which seems kind of odd....Looks like > he's still streaming via http://revolutionradionetwork.com/ but > nothing over the air in BOS or Revs' other radio affils" > Jeff was a one-man gang, basically the only full-time employee. He supplemented with interns, based on what I was told, but Blackstrap didn't provide any promotion dollars or dollars for more talent. Also, the reason Dial Global pulled out was the shaky finances and the fact that the talk shows were all expected to buy the time. Nationally known hosts like Schultz, Miller and Hartman generally don't have to lease-time like a local specialty show does (many of the Zone's former programs were leased-time... a real estate guy who wanted to do a show, a show about cigars, etc). In the case of Ed Schultz (and again, let's all extend our good thoughts to his wife Wendy, who is currently battling ovarian cancer), he even has his own sales staff and the show was regularly sold out and very profitable. But his management was not happy with the lack of promotional support in Boston. From map@mapinternet.com Fri Jul 27 12:49:13 2012 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:49:13 -0400 Subject: How long before a 1960's format happens on AM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes ...Why not!. I don't think I'd call it "Music of Your Life" but a 60's , (minus and plus a few years, say, 1958-1974) top 20-30 or 40 format might do a lot better than the current formats on either 1150 or 1510. And, the "Archies" comment is well taken. If you take a look at those sample WABC surveys, I think there is an argument to "play 'em all" --- that is, with very few exceptions, play all of the top 20 or 30 or 40 survey songs for the period. There's a ton of those "lost 45's" that folks wouldn't mind hearing in the regular rotation. And a deeper list would make for less repetition. I think most folks get tired of even some of their favorite songs if they hear them too often. The point was made that the 60's boomers listening habits haved changed. This is only partially true. Some haved moved to country. Many listen to an older mix or an oldies or classic rock station at some point. Most that listen to radio for music at all, listen to more than one station. So, can: Light My Fire, Wolverton Mountain, Johnny Get Angry, I Was Made to Love Her, Soul Finger, and White Rabbit co-exist in the same format. Maybe so. While this would be likely to fail in a smaller market, and probably would not gather large ratings in the Boston market, for a station with a signal that covers the majority of the market, the Boston market probably has the population base large enough to support it, and even a small market share would represent a sizable audience, and one likely larger than either of those stations has now. And, it might do well if the station could reach the Cape Cod (retired) audience as noted. --Mark Casey...(1952..almost 60 and listening to the area classic hits stations & internet radio) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" but honestly with all the AM's out there can't somebody package a MOYL format and then sell it to retirement homes just like Ham did for MOR? I think 1510 or 1150 could actually do nicely with this. I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that didn't even exist (The Archies ) Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the AM band is. Thoughts? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 27 13:14:23 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:14:23 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> Message-ID: <0BD56EF2CFCC47E4B11C41232395917E@SatU205S5044> 1330 has a very decent signal day and night within Route 128. They could probably clear the time from 1:00AM to 5:00AM M-F. But days or evenings would almost certainly be out. Beasley is apparently not averse to carrying Progressive talk--provided they get paid. They have been doing it for the last few months on their WWDB (AM) 860 in Philadelphia, a 10 kW directional daytimer that covers the Philadelphia market quite well--but (obviously) only in the daytime. Here is my speculation: The Dial Global lineup of Progressive talkers will resurface on WWZN. However, neither Jeff Santos nor his Revolution Boston operation will be included, thank goodness. I think D-G will cut a deal directly with the owners of WWZN. Those folks may build a studio at the station's Waltham Tx site. I'm pretty sure that Santos had been trading out commercials for the rent at Marina Bay, but that deal had apparently ended and the real estate folks must have wanted real money, which Santos didn't have. A studio in the Waltham building will be mininmal and not very pleasant but it will help to hold down costs. If WWZN still uses the 1980s-era transmitter that I saw 25 years or so ago, a big problem will be the roar of the fans that cool the transmitter. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Mike Ward" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns > Thanks for info, Donna. I had heard something about Dial Global maybe > shopping their shows elsewhere--but to whom? I would doubt RKO, TKK, > or XKS AM--who has room in their schedule? (maybe delayed > broadcast)...a small AM maybe (1330? 1360? Not the best signals!) I > would think the Salem stations wouldn't be crazy about prog talk (590, > 950, 1150) and they're doing their own thing anyway. So you say DG not > crazy about them having to lease the time to get the shows on. (I can > think of one station with a fairly good daytime signal, but would > doubt the owner--who runs via listener contributions, not ads--would > want to do that: namely, WJIB... > Who else would run them? > > If anything advertisers may prefer sports talk which can skew younger, > which is why I wonder if RKO might turn to 24/7 ESPN if Howie leaves. > Ad agencies may prefer people in their 30s wanting to talk NFL, to > folks in their 50s who want political talk..though I would hope > poli-talk can attract younger people too. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Jul 27 13:57:51 2012 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:57:51 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > My parents are in their sixties, and they don't listen to AM. They > don't listen to oldies, either: they listen to pop-country on WKLB-FM. > > Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music > they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I too am in my 60s, and my listening is about evenly split between country and Hot AC/CHR (as well as WBZ for news). I almost never listen to oldies or classic rock, despite having grown up in that era. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 27 13:58:20 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:58:20 -0400 Subject: How long before a 1960's format happens on AM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Garrett I think many would listen as 60's on 6 was from day 1 one of XM's more popular channels. Part of the appeal was they had a much larger playlist. There is a certain excitement that comes from hearing a song you haven't heard in years. WMEX 1150 failed primarily because WODS came along but now there are no FM options. I think it is worth a shot. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM, M. Casey wrote: > Yes ...Why not!. > > I don't think I'd call it "Music of Your Life" but a 60's , (minus and plus > a few years, say, 1958-1974) top 20-30 or 40 format might do a lot better > than the current formats on either 1150 or 1510. And, the "Archies" comment > is well taken. If you take a look at those sample WABC surveys, I think > there is an argument to "play 'em all" --- that is, with very few > exceptions, play all of the top 20 or 30 or 40 survey songs for the > period. > There's a ton of those "lost 45's" that folks wouldn't mind hearing in the > regular rotation. And a deeper list would make for less repetition. I think > most folks get tired of even some of their favorite songs if they hear them > too often. > > The point was made that the 60's boomers listening habits haved changed. > This is only partially true. Some haved moved to country. Many listen to an > older mix or an oldies or classic rock station at some point. Most that > listen to radio for music at all, listen to more than one station. So, can: > Light My Fire, Wolverton Mountain, Johnny Get Angry, I Was Made to Love > Her, > Soul Finger, and White Rabbit co-exist in the same format. Maybe so. > > While this would be likely to fail in a smaller market, and probably would > not gather large ratings in the Boston market, for a station with a signal > that covers the majority of the market, the Boston market probably has the > population base large enough to support it, and even a small market share > would represent a sizable audience, and one likely larger than either of > those stations has now. And, it might do well if the station could reach > the > Cape Cod (retired) audience as noted. > > --Mark Casey...(1952..almost 60 and listening to the area classic hits > stations & internet radio) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > but honestly with all the > AM's out there can't somebody package a MOYL format and then sell it to > retirement homes just like Ham did for MOR? I think 1510 or 1150 could > actually do nicely with this. > > I think it is important to note that a lot of boomers preferred singles to > album cuts - heck the largest selling song in 1969 was from a group that > didn't even exist (The Archies ) > > > Keep in mind you would be dealing with a demo that actually knows what the > AM band is. > > Thoughts? > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 27 14:08:10 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:08:10 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> <5012BF78.3010607@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: But whether or not Donna likes to admit it, Dial Global has paid and I believe is still paying to have some of its programs air in certain markets. New York is, of course, the largest of these--but I don't think the only one. And there is no shame in paying to have a program aired in a large market. I believe that whoever syndicates Hannity is paying or has, at one time or other, paid to have his program aired in New York. If D-G and the owners of WWZN get together and bring the Progressive talk lineup back to Boston, as I have already predicted, D-G will be paying WWZN. D-G probably won't admit it and the WWZN management won't confirm it, but it will be happening. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns Also, > the reason Dial Global pulled out was the shaky finances and the fact that > the talk shows were all expected to buy the time. Nationally known hosts > like Schultz, Miller and Hartman generally don't have to lease-time like a > local specialty show does (many of the Zone's former programs were > leased-time... a real estate guy who wanted to do a show, a show about > cigars, etc). From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Jul 27 14:33:01 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:33:01 -0400 Subject: FW: How long before this happens? References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <018001cd6c26$413e4750$c3bad5f0$@garysicecream.com> When I was programming the overnights (7pm - 6am) at WCAP in Lowell (before the sale in 07) I had come up with a format I called "Music & Memories". It was a mishmash of music from 1940-1979. I let the OTSAV (the software I was using) do the random generation of the show each night just before it started. I didn't give it many rules except not to repeat the same artist or title within a 3 hour span and not to replay any particular selection without resting it for 4 days. The only song we played 7 nights a week was "God Bless America" by Kate Smith at 12 midnight. There were some "interesting segues" created by the software....it was 2 songs....liner....2 songs....liner.. I had an active library of over 4,000 songs in constant rotation (not counting holiday and seasonal songs - that added a thousand or so more (Easter, Christmas, winter, summer, Halloween, St Patricks Day, etc). After it ran for about a year I started to get letters and e-mails from listeners who said they loved the format. I had a group of UMass Lowell overnight maintenance guys who were all in their 20's but they would often contact me asking questions about a song they heard or requesting a particular song that came out decades before they were born. I would regularly get mail from the Cambridge/Arlington/Quincy area and even heard pretty regularly from someone in Hynannis (the night signal made it right across Boston, across the harbor and onto the Cape). I had regular listeners from age 20 - 80. I've always thought that this format would work on a Boston FM...especially with live, personable jocks. -Gary Francis www.garysicecream.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob DeMattia Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:39 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: How long before this happens? *Garrett Wollman wrote:* *Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. * OK, but I'm still not listening to AMP. :-) -Bob > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 27 14:29:44 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:29:44 -0400 Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> <5012BF78.3010607@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5012DE18.7040904@donnahalper.com> On 7/27/2012 2:08 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But whether or not Donna likes to admit it, Dial Global has paid and I > believe is still paying to have some of its programs air in certain > markets. > New York is, of course, the largest of these--but I don't think the only > one. And there is no shame in paying to have a program aired in a large > market. First, I have no proverbial dog in this fight-- I'm not gonna defend D-G, since most of the folks I knew there back when Ed was on the first iteration of Progressive Talk in Boston are no longer with the company (from back when it was the Jones Radio Network). But I still have one friend at D-G and that was where I got the info from (the person is an executive, but asked me to keep things in confidence, so I will say no more). What I was told is the finances at WWZN were shaky, there was no promotion, and that factored into the decision to yank the shows, as did what was being asked for the lease-time without providing any station support of the programs. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 27 15:39:32 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:39:32 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5012EE74.8070504@donnahalper.com> Just listened to WBUR's "Radio Boston," and the host interviewed an official spokesperson (the head of PR) for WGBH, who insisted the acquisition of Public Radio International is not in any way about competition between WBUR and WGBH. Umm, then why make the acquisition? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 27 16:19:41 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:19:41 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <5012EE74.8070504@donnahalper.com> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5012EE74.8070504@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20498.63453.507818.933931@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just listened to WBUR's "Radio Boston," and the host interviewed an > official spokesperson (the head of PR) for WGBH, who insisted the > acquisition of Public Radio International is not in any way about > competition between WBUR and WGBH. Umm, then why make the acquisition? Save money, maybe? Hopefully? -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 27 16:20:55 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:20:55 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <018001cd6c26$413e4750$c3bad5f0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <6769CCDC18A9455CB2F544EC867AD829@SatU205S5044> The format was probably not all that different from Bob Bittner's format at WJIB. Bob tells stories similar to yours about the age diversity of his audience and the loyalty to the format of listeners of all ages. You will also note that, maybe three or four years ago, Bob started using the positioner, "The Memories Station." I'll bet he says "the memories station" about eight times in a typical hour--maybe more; the phrase sure has tested well. I gather that the word "memories" does not make listeners feel old; in fact, it may make them feel young (or at least younger). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: FW: How long before this happens? > When I was programming the overnights (7pm - 6am) at WCAP in Lowell > (before > the sale in 07) I had come up with a format I called "Music & Memories". From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 27 19:01:38 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:01:38 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <5012EE74.8070504@donnahalper.com> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5012EE74.8070504@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: On Jul 27, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just listened to WBUR's "Radio Boston," and the host interviewed an official spokesperson (the head of PR) for WGBH, who insisted the acquisition of Public Radio International is not in any way about competition between WBUR and WGBH. Umm, then why make the acquisition? My thought is that since WGBH partners with PRI in producing The World, they might be in trouble if PRI goes under. Then again, it may just be a matter of egos. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Jul 27 19:41:43 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How long before this happens? Message-ID: <21699.7caf5cfa.3d448137@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/2012 4:21:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: You will also note that, maybe three or four years ago, Bob started using the positioner, "The Memories Station." --------------- Actually, I guess it's 10 years now.... as I just got a notice from the Secretary of the Commonwealth that "The Memories Station" phrase/logo expires in 3 months, which I will be renewing of course. Such trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years. ----BB From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Jul 27 19:46:37 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How long before this happens? Message-ID: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/2012 9:30:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markwa1ion@aol.com writes: I wish someone would grab 1240 in West Yarmouth or one of the redundant-format FM's and do something similar to WJIB, though perhaps --------- I missed out on grabbing that one (1240). They wanted $200k for it, and with no real estate. I said "bad deal". So did everyone else (if there WAS "an everyone else"), and it got donated. ----BB From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jul 27 20:34:42 2012 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> When I was in my teens and twenties, I listened to quite a bit of contemporary music - no surprise - but I also quite often listened to tunes which pre-dated me. The World War II era, my parents' generation, had no lack of quality music, whether big-band jazz, vocal crooners, show music, classic country (/ western swing), or roadhouse blues / R&B / proto-rock 'n' roll. Good music has appeal whether it was part of your lifetime or from a preceding era. Case in point: classical. That's why I'm always happy to read compliments about WJIB from young people - students, artists, teachers, engineers, medical professionals - on the "Friends and Lovers of WJIB" Facebook page. Just as those of us 50+ aren't completely mired in music of our teen years, those far too young to remember the Beatles or Nat King Cole or Benny Goodman may take some time out of their busy days and explore timelessly-great music even as they also enjoy hip-hop, techno-dance, and other contemporary sounds. Quality endures. A station offering 1930-1970 music should always be an available "menu pick" even when most potential listeners were born years after that period. I hope there will always be intelligent people who'd like to step outside the narrow format boxes most broadcasters believe to be commercially viable. Admittedly it's the internet and satellite, rather than AM and FM, satisfying most of that demand now. But WJIB soldiers on and we can all thank Bob for that. Now back to watching the London Olympics' opening ceremony. Mark Connelly H. Shapiro fan-club South Yarmouth, MA << The format was probably not all that different from Bob Bittner's format at WJIB. Bob tells stories similar to yours about the age diversity of his audience and the loyalty to the format of listeners of all ages. You will also note that, maybe three or four years ago, Bob started using the positioner, "The Memories Station." I'll bet he says "the memories station" about eight times in a typical hour--maybe more; the phrase sure has tested well. I gather that the word "memories" does not make listeners feel old; in fact, it may make them feel young (or at least younger). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: FW: How long before this happens? > When I was programming the overnights (7pm - 6am) at WCAP in Lowell > (before > the sale in 07) I had come up with a format I called "Music & Memories". >> From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Jul 27 20:43:38 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jess Santos Departs; WWZN "The Zone" Returns In-Reply-To: References: <20120724163248.34190@gmx.com> <5012BF78.3010607@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1343436218.62740.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dan wrote: "But whether or not Donna likes to admit it, Dial Global has paid and I?believe is still paying to have some of its programs air in certain markets.New York is, of course, the largest of these--but I don't think the only?one. And there is no shame in paying to have a program aired in a large?market. I believe that whoever syndicates Hannity is paying or has, at one?time or other, paid to have his program aired in New York." It's not out of the realm of possibility but would doubt that, Dan. Hannity's always been on WABC and was their afternoon drive host before he was syndicated. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 27 23:38:06 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:38:06 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A station offering 1930-1970 music should always be an available "menu > pick" even when most potential listeners were born years after that > period. A format like that would be like an old-fashioned industrial conglomerate: all things to all people doesn't actually please anybody. Wall Street hates conglomerates, because it's too hard to analyze disparate businesses that grow at different rates and have different capital needs under one roof. Radio hates broad-based formats because by their very nature they will never be top-rated in any demo the advertisers are interested in buying. The Wall Street answers to diversification are mutual funds and index futures; the radio analogue to the mutual fund is something like Sirius XM or Pandora, which allows listeners to fine-tune their music mix by choosing from a large library (effectively infinite in Pandora's case) of possible formats. On my drive in to work each morning, I often find myself flipping among WXRV, WBZ, and XM 80s on 8, 90s on 9, First Wave, The Pulse, Pop2K, and The Blend. I have a few of the "public radio" channels on the other bank of presets, but I rarely use them since most of the public radio stuff that I listen to these days is available by podcast before WBUR or WGBH ever air it. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 28 01:15:09 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:15:09 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I do believe a 60's format could work on the right AM signal. 1150, 1330 and 1510 have the best signal inside of 128. 1470 comes in fine at night where I live in Cambridge but not by day. 650, 890 and 1060 are tough sells. 590 and 1260 are locked into what they are doing. That leaves 680 and 850 in play and I expect Entercom will do something on one or both. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < markwa1ion@aol.com> said: > > > A station offering 1930-1970 music should always be an available "menu > > pick" even when most potential listeners were born years after that > > period. > > A format like that would be like an old-fashioned industrial > conglomerate: all things to all people doesn't actually please > anybody. Wall Street hates conglomerates, because it's too hard to > analyze disparate businesses that grow at different rates and have > different capital needs under one roof. Radio hates broad-based > formats because by their very nature they will never be top-rated in > any demo the advertisers are interested in buying. The Wall Street > answers to diversification are mutual funds and index futures; the > radio analogue to the mutual fund is something like Sirius XM or > Pandora, which allows listeners to fine-tune their music mix by > choosing from a large library (effectively infinite in Pandora's case) > of possible formats. > > On my drive in to work each morning, I often find myself flipping > among WXRV, WBZ, and XM 80s on 8, 90s on 9, First Wave, The Pulse, > Pop2K, and The Blend. I have a few of the "public radio" channels on > the other bank of presets, but I rarely use them since most of the > public radio stuff that I listen to these days is available by podcast > before WBUR or WGBH ever air it. > > -GAWollman > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 28 01:20:38 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:20:38 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1286160077-E8C-1E224@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1286160077-E8C-1E224@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <501376A6.3080700@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2012 9:26 AM, Mark Connelly wrote: > Where one or more seniors-oriented formats should fly very well would > be here on Cape Cod. > > I say 'formats' because the station that would play Benny Goodman and > Tessie Brewer would not necessarily be the one playing the Beatles, > Stones, and Doors. True enough. But there also was a major break in musical tastes when rock & roll came on the scene, and it was intensified in the late 1960s and the 1970s. Once when I was in the UMass Amherst Student Union one day in the 1980s, I heard the Beatles playing on the PA system. I thought at that point that in the 1960s, when I was a student there, we never would have heard Benny Goodman or Glenn Miller on the PA. But in the 1980s, the Beatles and other music of that era was still being listened to by college kids. That is as good a demonstration as any of the cultural break. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 28 01:25:05 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:25:05 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <501377B1.5010704@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2012 10:12 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > My parents are in their sixties, and they don't listen to AM. They > don't listen to oldies, either: they listen to pop-country on WKLB-FM. > > Don't assume that older people necessarily want to listen to the music > they listend to as teenagers; their tastes may well have changed. > Good point, but there are many of us who do like to listen to that music. I also like to listen to the music that I listened to in college and law school. It has a certain nostalgic quality that tends to relive some of the good things about that era. Then again, I also like to listen to classical music and all sorts of other music as well. Many people have eclectic taste, which is part of what I like about WJIB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 28 01:31:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:31:36 -0400 Subject: How long before a 1960's format happens on AM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50137938.5070101@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2012 1:58 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think many would listen as 60's on 6 was from day 1 one of XM's more > popular channels. Part of the appeal was they had a much larger playlist. > > There is a certain excitement that comes from hearing a song you haven't > heard in years. Well, WATD seems to be making it work, at least on Saturday afternoon and evening. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 28 01:35:30 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:35:30 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <6769CCDC18A9455CB2F544EC867AD829@SatU205S5044> References: <20498.41404.40286.3592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <018001cd6c26$413e4750$c3bad5f0$@garysicecream.com> <6769CCDC18A9455CB2F544EC867AD829@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50137A22.30601@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2012 4:20 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The format was probably not all that different from Bob Bittner's > format at > WJIB. Bob tells stories similar to yours about the age diversity of his > audience and the loyalty to the format of listeners of all ages. You will > also note that, maybe three or four years ago, Bob started using the > positioner, "The Memories Station." I'll bet he says "the memories > station" > about eight times in a typical hour--maybe more; the phrase sure has > tested > well. I gather that the word "memories" does not make listeners feel > old; in fact, it may make them feel young (or at least younger). You mean Bob has younger listeners who know about AM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From lspin@comcast.net Sat Jul 28 08:57:02 2012 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:57:02 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002701cd6cc0$7bdd8c50$7398a4f0$@net> I'd certainly listen to an AM station that played a good selection of music presented with a little personality and a bit of information. I don't ask much. But no one has mentioned the dwindling availability of AM radios. Has anyone browsed the shelves of Best Buy and noticed that many of the radios there do NOT have AM? If the lack of programming doesn't kill AM, will the lack of available equipment finish the job? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:15 AM Subject: Re: How long before this happens? I do believe a 60's format could work on the right AM signal. 1150, 1330 and 1510 have the best signal inside of 128. 1470 comes in fine at night where I live in Cambridge but not by day. 650, 890 and 1060 are tough sells. 590 and 1260 are locked into what they are doing. That leaves 680 and 850 in play and I expect Entercom will do something on one or both. From sids1045@aol.com Sat Jul 28 09:58:25 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:58:25 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <002701cd6cc0$7bdd8c50$7398a4f0$@net> References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <002701cd6cc0$7bdd8c50$7398a4f0$@net> Message-ID: <958130FB-FDB7-48E4-B12B-A50E6B725774@aol.com> "If the lack of programming doesn't kill AM, will the lack of available equipment finish the job?" If neither of those finish off AM, the ever increasing sources of noise and interference will. An AM owner can no longer rely on service contours that were once considered interference-free to actually provide interference-free service to most of their potential listeners. Unless the format being discussed goes onto a 50kW stick, it already has three strikes against it. And the FCC obviously has bigger fish to fry than actually enforcing Part 15, which would at least mitigate some of the interference problems. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Jul 28 10:35:34 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:35:34 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <958130FB-FDB7-48E4-B12B-A50E6B725774@aol.com> References: <217e9.2fd11d71.3d44825d@aol.com> <8CF3A6FEA080134-F74-24FDF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> <20499.24222.720303.55159@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <002701cd6cc0$7bdd8c50$7398a4f0$@net> <958130FB-FDB7-48E4-B12B-A50E6B725774@aol.com> Message-ID: If ever an AM station got too successful on a particular format, an FM station would glom on to it and put the AM out of business. -Bob From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jul 27 13:12:36 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:12:36 -0400 Subject: WGBH buys PRI Message-ID: <20120727171236.34190@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Garrett Wollman >Sent: 07/26/12 10:56 PM >To: Sean Smyth >Subject: WGBH buys PRI < said: > http://www.pri.org/stories/business/nonprofits/public-radio-international-acquired-by-boston-public-broadcaster-wgbh-10840.html > And a pre-existing relationship between the organizations gets > tighter. >I wonder if this is in some weird way related to the fact that >Minnesota Public Radio ("APM") has taken over U.S. distribution for >the BBC World Service, which used to be a PRI thing. Seems to have >happened earlier this month. >-GAWollman Over the years, while WGBH-FM and WBUR carried some common programs, WBUR did NOT carry "Prairie Home Companion", "The World" of "The Takeaway". WGBH did NOT carry "Car Talk" or "It's Only a Game". In the future can we expect more bifurcation (not a dirty word) as a result of this acquisition by WGBH? From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jul 28 12:11:57 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:11:57 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? Message-ID: <20120728161157.34180@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jibguy@aol.com >Sent: 07/27/12 07:41 PM >To: dan.strassberg@att.net, gary@garysicecream.com, boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: How long before this happens? >In a message dated 7/27/2012 4:21:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >dan.strassberg@att.net writes: >You will >also note that, maybe three or four years ago, Bob started using the >positioner, "The Memories Station." >--------------- >Actually, I guess it's 10 years now.... as I just got a notice from the >Secretary of the Commonwealth that "The Memories Station" phrase/logo expires >in 3 months, which I will be renewing of course. Such trademarks have to >be renewed every 10 years. >----BB I'm guessing that you are assiduously renewing "The Memories Station" identifier to forestall some other station from adopting it, a constant threat. By the way, the London Telegraph has taken some time away from Olympics(tm) coverage and Mitt-bashing to offer this observation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/9430338/Modern-music-really-does-sound-the-same.html (Almost 500 replies! I wonder what set them off?) From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 28 19:52:02 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:52:02 -0400 Subject: How long before this happens? In-Reply-To: <20120728161157.34180@gmx.com> References: <20120728161157.34180@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20500.31522.664316.710613@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/9430338/Modern-music-really-does-sound-the-same.html > (Almost 500 replies! I wonder what set them off?) Laurence, it's the Torygraph. They don't need to be "set off" to gripe about Kids These Days.... -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 29 14:44:56 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:44:56 -0400 Subject: Donna interviews Janet Baker-Carr Message-ID: <7A180F853E694DF6A991F41386365590@SatU205S5044> Donna's hour-long interview of the former WXHR (FM), WCRB, and WBAI personality was on WRCA-1330 this afternoon, Sunday 7/29, from 1:00 to 2:00. (During her long radio career, Ms Baker-Carr was also on other stations, but she tried to tell Donna that she was on WPLN in Memphis, whereas--as Donna pointed out--WPLN is in Nashville.) Parts of the interview were quite interesting, but I wonder whether Donna thought that the program host, Dave Bernard, would edit the tape. I guess Dave had more time to fill than Donna expected because it didn't sound as if Dave had edited the tape at all. Ms Baker-Carr is an elderly lady with a stuffy British accent. She was probably brought up to believe that polite people NEVER show that they are enjoying themselves. As you might imagine, such a guest can only very occasionally make for riveting radio. Ms Baker-Carr warmed up and showed some enthusiasm for perhaps 20 minutes at most. I wonder if Donna silently congratulated herself for achieving such a breakthrough. Shades of the BBC or WOR (New York) in the late 1930s. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 29 15:43:35 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:43:35 -0400 Subject: Donna interviews Janet Baker-Carr In-Reply-To: <7A180F853E694DF6A991F41386365590@SatU205S5044> References: <7A180F853E694DF6A991F41386365590@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50159267.8010701@attorneyross.com> On 7/29/2012 2:44 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Donna's hour-long interview of the former WXHR (FM), WCRB, and WBAI > personality was on WRCA-1330 this afternoon, Sunday 7/29, from 1:00 to > 2:00. Well, if I'd known I might have listened. I wonder whether it's going to be online anywhere. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 29 16:05:15 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:05:15 -0400 Subject: Donna interviews Janet Baker-Carr In-Reply-To: <50159267.8010701@attorneyross.com> References: <7A180F853E694DF6A991F41386365590@SatU205S5044> <50159267.8010701@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I wish I had known as well :( On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/29/2012 2:44 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > Donna's hour-long interview of the former WXHR (FM), WCRB, and WBAI >> personality was on WRCA-1330 this afternoon, Sunday 7/29, from 1:00 to >> 2:00. >> > > Well, if I'd known I might have listened. I wonder whether it's going to > be online anywhere. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 29 16:14:11 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:14:11 -0400 Subject: Donna interviews Janet Baker-Carr References: <7A180F853E694DF6A991F41386365590@SatU205S5044> <50159267.8010701@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <28D748A4BFF44169A3A12ECD04540F37@SatU205S5044> I had no idea that Donna had done this interview or that it was about to air on WRCA--especially at 1:00PM Sunday. I doubt whether Donna knew that it would air today because she usually posts advanced notices of her on-air appearances. I found the program quite accidentally as I tuned past. I heard a voice that sounded like Donna's and I stopped. I think the program is likely to be repeated. Try WRCA (1330) tonight, Sunday, at 11:00PM. I think that's when WRCA is most likely to broadcast its public service programs. The schedule, if you can call it that, is highly erratic, however. If GM Stu Fink sells a block of time, the paid program always gets priority. If you don't hear Donna or a lady with a British accent right off, keep listening; you may be hearing the program host, Dave Bernard. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Donna interviews Janet Baker-Carr > On 7/29/2012 2:44 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Donna's hour-long interview of the former WXHR (FM), WCRB, and WBAI >> personality was on WRCA-1330 this afternoon, Sunday 7/29, from 1:00 to >> 2:00. > > Well, if I'd known I might have listened. I wonder whether it's going to > be online anywhere. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 29 17:03:02 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:03:02 -0400 Subject: New book features Boston radio, TV icon Dave Maynard Message-ID: A new book co-written by Dave Maynard about his 50 years in radio will be released this week. The Nashua Telegraph gives the details. The title is 'The Dave Maynard Spin'. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/969522-196/new-book-features-boston-radio-tv-icon.html From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jul 30 11:03:08 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:03:08 -0400 Subject: New book features Boston radio, TV icon Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901cd6e64$72053020$560f9060$@ma@comcast.net> The book is on sale at both B&N and Amazon.com. Hardcover only, $31.95, 192 pages. I just ordered my copy :) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:03 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: New book features Boston radio, TV icon Dave Maynard A new book co-written by Dave Maynard about his 50 years in radio will be released this week. The Nashua Telegraph gives the details. The title is 'The Dave Maynard Spin'. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/969522-196/new-book-features-boston-radi o-tv-icon.html From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 30 12:27:11 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:27:11 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign Message-ID: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/query.hts Langer Broadcasting grabbed WFNX this morning, Why? ( and where will he put them? ) From Jibguy@aol.com Mon Jul 30 12:35:40 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign Message-ID: <395da.677ed2fe.3d4811db@aol.com> In a message dated 7/30/2012 12:30:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Why? So some area FM who wants them could pay him $$$$ to release them? ---BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 30 13:02:04 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:02:04 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign References: Message-ID: Last I knew, Alex had two unbuilt AM CPs, one in Minnesota probably a little too far from the twin cities to deliver a competitive signal there and the other in north Georgia almost certainly too far from Atlanta to deliver a competitve signal there. (N Georgia's soil conductivity is as bad as New England's.) I'm not sure of the status of those CPs. If they haven't been tolled, one or both may have lapsed. He also has a station in suburban Philadelphia (WFYL 1180, a daytimer, which, last I knew, was running right-wing talk). I believe there is a WPNX in Phoenixville PA, close to WFYL. Closer to home, Langer just bought WMSX 1410 in Brockton. Ya think Mindich would care enough to spend big $$$ fighting with a Brockton AM that is likely to become a brokered-time station, over use of the former calls of his Lynn-Boston Class A FM? I think Langer gets to have some fun with and make a small amount of money from selling the WFNX calls to a station a long way from New England. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign > http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/query.hts > > Langer Broadcasting grabbed WFNX this morning, > > Why? ( and where will he put them? ) From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 30 13:11:53 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:11:53 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex could be doing Mindich a favor and just parking them so nobody else can bring WFNX back. I don't think he will change WSRO's call as they use it in their logo. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Last I knew, Alex had two unbuilt AM CPs, one in Minnesota probably a > little > too far from the twin cities to deliver a competitive signal there and the > other in north Georgia almost certainly too far from Atlanta to deliver a > competitve signal there. (N Georgia's soil conductivity is as bad as New > England's.) I'm not sure of the status of those CPs. If they haven't been > tolled, one or both may have lapsed. He also has a station in suburban > Philadelphia (WFYL 1180, a daytimer, which, last I knew, was running > right-wing talk). I believe there is a WPNX in Phoenixville PA, close to > WFYL. Closer to home, Langer just bought WMSX 1410 in Brockton. Ya think > Mindich would care enough to spend big $$$ fighting with a Brockton AM that > is likely to become a brokered-time station, over use of the former calls > of > his Lynn-Boston Class A FM? I think Langer gets to have some fun with and > make a small amount of money from selling the WFNX calls to a station a > long > way from New England. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:27 PM > Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign > > > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-**bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/**query.hts >> >> Langer Broadcasting grabbed WFNX this morning, >> >> Why? ( and where will he put them? ) >> > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 30 18:24:43 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:24:43 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501709AB.7020904@gmail.com> Do calls that may have native or local value necessarily mean anything elsewhere out of market, particularly given the operational trend away from calls in the image package of radio stations? Didn't someone try to pull some value out of market from the WMEX calls at one point? Bill O?Neill -------- Original Kevin writes: Alex could be doing Mindich a favor and just parking them so nobody else can bring WFNX back. I don't think he will change WSRO's call as they use it in their logo. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 30 19:05:52 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:05:52 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: <501709AB.7020904@gmail.com> References: <501709AB.7020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50171350.2080605@attorneyross.com> On 7/30/2012 6:24 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Do calls that may have native or local value necessarily mean anything > elsewhere out of market, particularly given the operational trend away > from calls in the image package of radio stations? Didn't someone try > to pull some value out of market from the WMEX calls at one point? I remember that, and I don't know what they were thinking, unless they were cooperating with someone who wanted to warehouse the calls. But there may be some calls that might be useful outside their current local area because of what the calls could stand for elsewhere. For example, Ted Turner's paying WTBS at MIT to change their call letters so that he could apply for them for his Atlanta TV station. Another example might be if for some reason NBC were to decide to put the WNBC calls on a different station other than their New York TV station. Or when WORL in Boston changed to WRYT, and the WORL calls were picked up by a station in Orlando. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 30 20:17:41 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:17:41 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: <50171350.2080605@attorneyross.com> References: <501709AB.7020904@gmail.com> <50171350.2080605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Speaking of WMEX is that CP on the Vineyard a dead issue as that is where the calls live today. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/30/2012 6:24 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Do calls that may have native or local value necessarily mean anything >> elsewhere out of market, particularly given the operational trend away from >> calls in the image package of radio stations? Didn't someone try to pull >> some value out of market from the WMEX calls at one point? >> > > I remember that, and I don't know what they were thinking, unless they > were cooperating with someone who wanted to warehouse the calls. But there > may be some calls that might be useful outside their current local area > because of what the calls could stand for elsewhere. For example, Ted > Turner's paying WTBS at MIT to change their call letters so that he could > apply for them for his Atlanta TV station. Another example might be if for > some reason NBC were to decide to put the WNBC calls on a different station > other than their New York TV station. > > Or when WORL in Boston changed to WRYT, and the WORL calls were picked up > by a station in Orlando. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > From Jibguy@aol.com Mon Jul 30 20:22:51 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/2012 8:20:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Speaking of WMEX is that CP on the Vineyard a dead issue as that is where the calls live today. -------- No, not dead.... Dennis Jackson is getting that station on real soon; if he hasn't done so already. ----BB From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 31 00:23:46 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:23:46 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50175DD2.6070909@attorneyross.com> On 7/30/2012 12:27 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/query.hts > > Langer Broadcasting grabbed WFNX this morning, > > Why? ( and where will he put them? ) Can you get call letters without saying what station they're going on? I thought it was a station that applied for call letters, not a company. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 31 04:10:59 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:10:59 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: <50175DD2.6070909@attorneyross.com> References: <50175DD2.6070909@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The FCC only tells us who put the request in. There is no facility tag yet attached. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:23 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/30/2012 12:27 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-**bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/**query.hts >> >> Langer Broadcasting grabbed WFNX this morning, >> >> Why? ( and where will he put them? ) >> > > Can you get call letters without saying what station they're going on? I > thought it was a station that applied for call letters, not a company. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 31 07:50:56 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:50:56 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign References: <501709AB.7020904@gmail.com> <50171350.2080605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: That Orlando station and WROL are now both owned by the same company--Salem Communications. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign Or when WORL in Boston changed to WRYT, and the WORL calls were picked up by a station in Orlando. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 31 15:54:35 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:54:35 -0400 Subject: RIP Al Brady Law - former WHDH PD in the mid 70's Message-ID: http://www.examiner.com/article/al-brady-law-passed Al Brady Law who was the PD at WHDH in the mid 70's has passed. He was 67 and had been ill for awhile. RIP From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jul 31 17:56:19 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:56:19 -0400 Subject: RIP Al Brady Law - former WHDH PD in the mid 70's References: Message-ID: Kevin Vahey wrote: > Al Brady Law who was the PD at WHDH in the mid 70's has passed. Under his watch, WHDH did very well with a great airstaff, a newsroom that gave WBZ a run for it's money IMHO, and of course let's not forget the "WHDH Cash Call" contest. Law also programmed WABC in it's twilight years as a Top 40 station. From what I read on Radio-Info.com, Law had been living in NH in recent years. Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 31 20:38:29 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:38:29 -0400 Subject: RIP Al Brady Law - former WHDH PD in the mid 70's In-Reply-To: <5018761F.2070104@donnahalper.com> References: <5018761F.2070104@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna Al however molded the station into a soft Top 40 which enraged Jess who almost went to WMEX. Jess despised the music but Blair just gave him whatever he wanted to stay. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 7/31/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> Al Brady Law who was the PD at WHDH in the mid 70's has passed. >>> >> >> Under his watch, WHDH did very well with a great airstaff, a newsroom >> that gave WBZ a run for it's money IMHO, and of course let's not forget the >> "WHDH Cash Call" contest. >> > > No offense to Al's memory, but unless I am mis-remembering, WHDH was > already doing well when he got there. Jess Cain was always a strong > morning host and Al inherited quite a good team, as I recall. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 31 20:19:43 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:19:43 -0400 Subject: RIP Al Brady Law - former WHDH PD in the mid 70's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5018761F.2070104@donnahalper.com> On 7/31/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Al Brady Law who was the PD at WHDH in the mid 70's has passed. > > Under his watch, WHDH did very well with a great airstaff, a newsroom > that gave WBZ a run for it's money IMHO, and of course let's not > forget the "WHDH Cash Call" contest. No offense to Al's memory, but unless I am mis-remembering, WHDH was already doing well when he got there. Jess Cain was always a strong morning host and Al inherited quite a good team, as I recall.