From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Feb 2 00:14:52 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:14:52 -0500 Subject: Challenger explosion Message-ID: I felt so bad for Christa McAullifs parents, at first they seemed to think that was what was supposed to happen. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 7 21:57:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:57:34 -0500 Subject: Comcast Sports Net apologizes for Patriots commercial Message-ID: CSN-NE somehow put a commercial selling Super Bowl Championship gear on Sunday afternoon. Oops. http://boston.sbnation.com/new-england-patriots/2012/2/7/2781775/super-bowl-commercials-2012-patriots-vs-giants-dicks-sporting-goods-comcast-sportsnet-new-england From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 9 18:12:51 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:12:51 -0500 Subject: Dave Maynard RIP Message-ID: <4F3452F3.3000204@donnahalper.com> I knew he had been ill, but I was told he was recovering. Sorry to hear that another veteran personality from WBZ's rock-and-roll days (and beyond) has passed away. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/09/longtime-wbz-host-dave-maynard-has-died/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=CBSBoston.com From ecps92@earthlink.net Thu Feb 9 18:49:28 2012 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:49:28 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard Message-ID: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> WBZ 1030 web site is posting within the last hour that Dave Maynard has passed away at 82 yrs of age. More at http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/09/longtime-wbz-host-dave-maynard-has-die d/ Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Feb 9 20:14:13 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Garys Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:14:13 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> References: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> Message-ID: <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> Dave was a classy guy.....and a pleasure to work with. I became Dave's overnight producer after Ruth Clennot (sp?). I was also the producer of "Maynard in the Morning" for the first six months of the show. In those days we worked 8 hour shifts (as opposed to working just 1 show today).....so I worked with Bob Raleigh overnight and then with Dave in the morning. It was during "Maynard in the Morning" that we put together "the BZ Traffic Network" for the first time. (Rick Starr was the PD). RIP Dave. -Gary Francis, W1GFF From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 21:20:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:20:36 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> References: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> Message-ID: I am thinking it was around 1978 that they put Dave on overnights figuring he would quit and he thrived on it if I recall. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Garys Ice Cream wrote: > > Dave was a classy guy.....and a pleasure to work with. ?I became Dave's > overnight producer after Ruth Clennot (sp?). ? I was also the producer of > "Maynard in the Morning" for the first six months of the show. ?In those > days we worked 8 hour shifts (as opposed to working just 1 show > today).....so I worked with Bob Raleigh overnight and then with Dave in the > morning. ?It was during "Maynard in the Morning" that we put together "the > BZ Traffic Network" for the first time. (Rick Starr was the PD). > RIP Dave. > > -Gary Francis, > W1GFF > > > From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 21:28:07 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:28:07 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> Message-ID: <14a6bfc4-46d0-41ca-88ef-581048d5cb7f@email.android.com> Kevin Vahey writes: I am thinking it was around 1978 that they put Dave on overnights figuring he would quit and he thrived on it if I recall. --- I recall that, as well. Many a late sleepless night in my transition from high school to college I listened to Dave overnights. Bill O'Neill -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 9 20:57:50 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:57:50 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> References: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> Message-ID: <4F34799E.5070306@fybush.com> On 2/9/2012 8:14 PM, Garys Ice Cream wrote: > Dave was a classy guy.....and a pleasure to work with. Agreed. Dave had already "retired" from full-time morning drive when I got to BZ in 1992, but he was contributing segments to the station for a few years afterward, and I had the privilege early on of producing and writing some of them. Even though Dave was already starting to have some health problems (and Ruth even more so), and even though it was clear his exit from the morning show hadn't been entirely voluntary, he was never anything less than a complete professional, even to a newbie on the staff. s From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 21:20:34 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:20:34 -0500 Subject: Dave Maynard RIP In-Reply-To: <4F3452F3.3000204@donnahalper.com> References: <4F3452F3.3000204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <486e48ca-fb18-4c64-a3fa-3a6eb76d4ce2@email.android.com> My condolences to Dave's family. He set a very high standard for Boston radio. Maynard in the Morning was always a good listen and his on air rapport with LaPierre and Santos was excellent. He served one listener at a time masterfully. Bill O'Neill -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Donna Halper Sent: Thu Feb 09 18:12:51 EST 2012 To: Boston Radio Subject: Dave Maynard RIP I knew he had been ill, but I was told he was recovering. Sorry to hear that another veteran personality from WBZ's rock-and-roll days (and beyond) has passed away. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/09/longtime-wbz-host-dave-maynard-has-died/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=CBSBoston.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 9 23:07:18 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: <4F34799E.5070306@fybush.com> References: <0b3c01cce785$76741f10$635c5d30$@net> <02ae01cce791$4d5a27d0$e80e7770$@com> <4F34799E.5070306@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20276.38902.962068.572027@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 2/9/2012 8:14 PM, Garys Ice Cream wrote: >> Dave was a classy guy.....and a pleasure to work with. > Agreed. Dave had already "retired" from full-time morning drive when I > got to BZ in 1992, but he was contributing segments to the station for a > few years afterward, and I had the privilege early on of producing and > writing some of them. Mike Coleman produced a nice montage that ran during the first block of the 7pm newscast today. They also led Anthony's 7:18 segment with the story, including interviews with GL and Gil Santos. -GAWollman From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Feb 9 22:34:32 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Garys Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:34:32 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard Message-ID: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> Actually Rick Starr's reason for moving Dave to overnights was part of the master plan to move him to mornings. Rick figured that he could "cut his chops" on talk by doing a year of overnights.....he did overnights for exactly one year. Then "Maynard in the Morning" premiered. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:21 PM To: Garys Ice Cream Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: RIP - Dave Maynard I am thinking it was around 1978 that they put Dave on overnights figuring he would quit and he thrived on it if I recall. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Garys Ice Cream wrote: > > Dave was a classy guy.....and a pleasure to work with. ?I became > Dave's overnight producer after Ruth Clennot (sp?). ? I was also the > producer of "Maynard in the Morning" for the first six months of the > show. ?In those days we worked 8 hour shifts (as opposed to working > just 1 show today).....so I worked with Bob Raleigh overnight and then > with Dave in the morning. ?It was during "Maynard in the Morning" that > we put together "the BZ Traffic Network" for the first time. (Rick Starr was the PD). > RIP Dave. > > -Gary Francis, > W1GFF > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 10 11:47:47 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:47:47 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> References: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> Message-ID: Funny how the mind works. In the Top 40 days I never heard Dave that much because I was in school when he was on air. But I always looked forward to his Sunday morning countdown show which I was told years later that when American Top 40 began in 1970 they listened to old WBZ tapes as Dave used to do stories to fill the 3 hours. First time I ever met him was when WBZ before they had the sun deck mobile unit used to broadcast from Downtown Crossing in a window at Raymond's for the 700 Fund. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 10 12:56:53 2012 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:56:53 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> Message-ID: I would to try and find excuses to skip church so I could listen to his countdown shows too. ISTR that Carl deSuze was always pre-recorded on Sundays so the newscaster (Don Batting was one) would do the weather at 9:30, Dave would always do some sort of hand-off with him. For some reason he never got the name of the band that did "96 Tears" right, calling them 7 Question Mark Mysterians. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > In the Top 40 days I never heard Dave that much because I was in school > when he was on air. But I always looked forward to his Sunday morning > countdown show which I was told years later that when American Top 40 began > in 1970 they listened to old WBZ tapes as Dave used to do stories to fill > the 3 hours. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 10 13:19:55 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:19:55 -0500 Subject: Jim Dixon Has Also Died Message-ID: <20120210181955.191400@gmx.com> According to the Richard Davis Funeral Home website, former Boston radio and TV broadcaster Jim Dixon recently died (February 5th). He was a morning co-host for many years with Gus Saunders and Roy Leonard at WNAC-AM 680. (Interesting: his real name was Jim Brokaw). http:/www.richarddavisfuneralhome.com/Obituaries.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 10 14:45:51 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:45:51 -0500 Subject: Jim Dixon Has Also Died In-Reply-To: <20120210181955.191400@gmx.com> References: <20120210181955.191400@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F3573EF.5030602@donnahalper.com> On 2/10/2012 1:19 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > According to the Richard Davis Funeral Home website, former Boston radio and TV broadcaster Jim Dixon recently died (February 5th). He was a morning co-host for many years with Gus Saunders and Roy Leonard at WNAC-AM 680. (Interesting: his real name was Jim Brokaw). > I hope the Boston Globe and Herald do obits on him-- Dave Maynard was much better known, but Jim Dixon had a very strong fan-base and came from a distinguished family! (And yes, I knew he had been ill for a long time.) From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 10 14:25:27 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> Message-ID: <4F356F27.6040703@donnahalper.com> On 2/10/2012 11:47 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the Top 40 days I never heard Dave that much because I was in school > when he was on air. But I always looked forward to his Sunday morning > countdown show which I was told years later that when American Top 40 began > in 1970 they listened to old WBZ tapes as Dave used to do stories to fill > the 3 hours. > That is the shame about all of the "old timers" dying off-- so many of their great stories were never recorded, and we will lose those memories unless somebody thought to either write them down or record them. That's why I always have enjoyed interview programs like Jordan Rich or Steve Leveille where the veteran performers sometimes come on the air to reminisce. Brings back a lot of memories about what we've lost and what radio still means to many of us. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 10 16:58:41 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:58:41 -0500 Subject: Jim Dixon Has Also Died In-Reply-To: <4F3573EF.5030602@donnahalper.com> References: <20120210181955.191400@gmx.com> <4F3573EF.5030602@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: The Herald did http://bostonherald.com/news/obituaries/view/20220209james_brokaw_at_85of_norwell_broadcaster I sent a message to Roy on FB to let him know and he just replied Roy Leonard? Thanks, Kevin. I talked to Jim about a year ago and he wasn't well. With Dave Maynard passing, I hope we don't shoot for that "3" thing. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > On 2/10/2012 1:19 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> >> According to the Richard Davis Funeral Home website, former Boston radio and TV broadcaster Jim Dixon recently died (February 5th). He was a morning co-host for many years with Gus Saunders and Roy Leonard at WNAC-AM 680. (Interesting: his real name was Jim Brokaw). >> > > > I hope the Boston Globe and Herald do obits on him-- Dave Maynard was much better known, but Jim Dixon had a very strong fan-base and came from a distinguished family! (And yes, I ?knew he had been ill for a long time.) From markwats@comcast.net Sun Feb 12 16:43:25 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:43:25 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard References: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> <4F356F27.6040703@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna Halper wrote: > That is the shame about all of the "old timers" dying off-- so many of > their great stories were never recorded, and we will lose those memories > unless somebody thought to either write them down or record them. I agree Donna. With the passing of Dave Maynard and Jim Dixon this past week, we lost two more "old timers" or voices from the golden era of Boston broadcasting. I know there are some of Dave Maynard's "Piece of Cake" TV commercials on You Tube, probably some airchecks of Maynard can be found on aircheck websites. Sadly, there may not be any audio or video of Jim Dixon out there. I know Donna does her best to keep old news clippings, photos, interviews and such, we should all be grateful for her efforts.. Sadly, most broadcast outlets probably didn't save much of it's history. My sister called me the other night when she saw the news of Dave Maynard's passing. She saw him twice introducing WBZ sponsored concerts at Canobie Lake Park, the Searchers in 1964 and Herman's Hermits in '65. May both Dave & Jim rest in peace. Mark Watson From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Feb 13 09:35:36 2012 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500 Subject: FW: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: <02bf01cce7a4$e8bbdb20$ba339160$@com> <4F356F27.6040703@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Donna Halper wrote: > Sadly, most broadcast outlets probably didn't save much of it's history. > > And so often what DID get saved was inconsequential. I once worked at a station that had saved reams of old AP wire copy (just in case they needed to refer to an old story), taped interviews with unsuccessful candidates for local office, etc. Airchecks of regular programming, old music surveys and the like, not so much. From lsochrin@rcn.com Mon Feb 13 12:44:31 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:44:31 -0500 Subject: RIP - Dave Maynard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking of seeing Dave Maynard, back about 1980, my boss at the time and I had taken a visitor from Australia to lunch at a restaurant in Quincy Market. Dave Maynard came in, and sat at a nearby table. My boss got excited, pointed Dave out to our guest from Australia, and said "that's a major Boston radio personality, Jess Cain." On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:00 PM, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: > Mark Watson wrote: > > My sister called me the other night when she saw the news of Dave Maynard's passing. She saw him twice introducing WBZ sponsored concerts at Canobie Lake Park, the Searchers in 1964 and Herman's Hermits in '65. > From tcoco@WHAV.net Sun Feb 12 09:43:48 2012 From: tcoco@WHAV.net (Tim Coco (WHAV)) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:43:48 -0500 Subject: Ned French and Ken Spaulding In-Reply-To: <1327965577.18886.YahooMailClassic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327965577.18886.YahooMailClassic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2930ACBB2CF843FBAA63391D0D1DD6D4@coco47740450d7> According to Ned's son (who also worked at WHAV around 1969 with his father's introduction), Ned's last gig was at WVNH in Salem, NH, and he died in 2000. Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV Web: www.WHAV.net Public Media of New England, Inc. WHAVR is a registered trademark and used under license. -----Original Message----- From: Conrad Laurin [mailto:laurincj@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:20 PM To: boston radio Subject: Ned French and Ken Spaulding Does anyone have any new updates or info about Ned French or Ken Spaulding. I worked with both of these fine gentlemen in New Hampshire in the mid 80s. The both of them became good friends. I was working at WKBR when Ken passed away. I closed my show that night with Buddy Rich's recording of Big Swing Face which had become Ken's theme song for his Big Bands & Jazz program. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 19 23:50:47 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:50:47 -0500 Subject: WUML Message-ID: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> I think I may be hearing things, but I just happened to click on WUML on TuneIn at 11:40 pm to hear a woman systematically reading the coupon adverts for CVS Pharmacy and then "Moving on to Walgreens, ..." The product, the terms, price, savings, etc. If this is not a clear violation of the non-commercial licence then I don't know what is. Definitely not the same station at which I cut my teeth back at ULowell when it was WJUL (91.5 Lowell). Bill O'Neill -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Feb 20 00:30:45 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:30:45 -0600 Subject: WUML In-Reply-To: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> References: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> Message-ID: Isn't WUML part of The Radio Reading Service For The Blind, based at WATD 95.9? part of The Radio Radio Services broadcasts include reading from fliers of area stores. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > I think I may be hearing things, but I just happened to click on WUML on > TuneIn at 11:40 pm to hear a woman systematically reading the coupon > adverts for CVS Pharmacy and then "Moving on to Walgreens, ..." The > product, the terms, price, savings, etc. > > If this is not a clear violation of the non-commercial licence then I > don't know what is. Definitely not the same station at which I cut my teeth > back at ULowell when it was WJUL (91.5 Lowell). > > Bill O'Neill > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 20 00:33:13 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:33:13 -0500 Subject: WUML In-Reply-To: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> References: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> Message-ID: <20289.56089.756114.16244@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think I may be hearing things, but I just happened to click on > WUML on TuneIn at 11:40 pm to hear a woman systematically reading > the coupon adverts for CVS Pharmacy and then "Moving on to > Walgreens, ..." The product, the terms, price, savings, etc. You're not hearing things. It's the Talking Information Center radio reading service. They read the newspaper all the way through, including the advertisements. It's not a violation of the non-comm rules because there's no quid pro quo: the licensee does not get any sort of compensation for airing the reading service. Usually it's only on subcarriers (a noncomm that wants to lease a subcarrier must make a subcarrier available to any reading service that requests it), but TIC has been on the main audio program of a number of stations for several years, including most of the State Coll^WUniversity system when the students are not programming them (which means most of the time on WDJM-FM, probably less frequently on WUML). They also operate WRRS-LP in Pittsfield. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 20 01:17:44 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:17:44 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. Message-ID: Observations while driving from Winnipeg to Minneapolis. CBW is alive and well on 990 - 1290 AM seems to be a repeater for CHUM in Toronto and and 680 (CJOB) appears to be Manitoba's WBZ Fargo's 970 AM (WDAY) pumps out a fine signal that is clear in Winnipeg and deep into Minnesota. But WCCO (830) is just a monster, could hear it in static by day in Winnipeg but by Grand Forks, ND it sounded local. Now here is something that perhaps only Scott can answer. KFAN Minneapolis has built a strong network similar to WEEI but KFAN is actually KFXN-FM http://www.kfan.com/pages/station.html?feed=289104&article=4051817 Now there is a KFAN in Rochester owned by Clear Channel but I have lost the logic in the call sign parking in this case. I am also curious why several stations in North Dakota have W instead of K. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 20 02:57:10 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 02:57:10 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I am also curious why several stations in North Dakota have W instead of K. Because the line used to be the western border of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. Hence WOAI, WIBW, WJAG, WNAX, and WDAY, among many others. -GAWollman From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Mon Feb 20 08:35:47 2012 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:35:47 +0000 Subject: WUML In-Reply-To: <20289.56089.756114.16244@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <56c69a3f-40d9-444f-88a9-93645b17dea7@email.android.com> <20289.56089.756114.16244@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB502919BF9D87@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> TIC is also on a number of local cable-access channels, including SATV's (Salem, MA). We get our feed from their website via Shoutcast. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 20 23:16:52 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:16:52 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> On 2/20/2012 2:57 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I am also curious why several stations in North Dakota have W instead of K. > Because the line used to be the western border of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, > and TX. Hence WOAI, WIBW, WJAG, WNAX, and WDAY, among many others. There are a number of callsigns in the United States that don't follow the Mississippi River pattern, for various reasons. For example, KDKA in Pittsburg, which so far as I can tell, doesn't follow any of the rules. There are also a number of W calls in Texas. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 21 00:42:37 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:42:37 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 2/20/2012 2:57 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> < said: >> >>> I am also curious why several stations in North Dakota have W instead of K. >> Because the line used to be the western border of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, >> and TX. Hence WOAI, WIBW, WJAG, WNAX, and WDAY, among many others. > There are a number of callsigns in the United States that don't follow > the Mississippi River pattern, for various reasons. For example, KDKA > in Pittsburg, which so far as I can tell, doesn't follow any of the > rules. There are also a number of W calls in Texas. As I said, the boundary used to follow the western border of Texas. That explains all the W calls in Texas, not to mention the other states I mentioned above. The original boundary made geographic sense because ships in the Atlantic used K callsigns, and ships in the Pacific used W callsigns -- the Bureau of Navigation's scheme was that shore stations serving the Atlantic (which could be as far west as Texas) would get W callsigns, and shore stations serving the Pacific would get K callsigns, the opposite of the assignment for ships. The FCC doesn't really try to police the boundary in Minnesota or Louisiana, and through various dodges it is possible to move callsigns across the river within the same market (such as WWWK -> KWK-FM -> KWK in Granite City, Ill.). Pittsburghers will not forgive you for leaving the "h" out of their name; Pittsburg is in Kansas (and several other states). KDKA seems to be an anomaly -- either the Department of Commerce had briefly forgotten about the W/K rule, or the clerk who assigned it was just sloppy. KQV and KYW were also odd cases (with KYW even odder having been a "portable" station and then later a fixed station licensed to Chicago). If I remember correctly, KFIZ is acknowledged as a true mistake -- although the Mississippi does run through Wisconsin, it's nowhere near Fond du Lac, and there are no populated places (or even inhabitants) of the parts of Wisconsin that are currently west of the Mississippi. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 01:15:18 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:15:18 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Pittsburgh also has KQV so that makes it a little more muddled. A recent overview here. http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm I wonder if the founders of KQV asked for a K because of KDKA. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 21 01:10:29 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:10:29 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4F433555.5010803@attorneyross.com> On 2/21/2012 12:42 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Pittsburghers will not forgive you for leaving the "h" out of their > name; Pittsburg is in Kansas (and several other states). Thank you, I'll try to remember that. In the same spirit, I always have the urge to correct anyone who pronounces the "H" in Amherst, Massachusetts. Sometimes I give in to that temptation, sometimes I restrain myself. Last summer I saw a bumper sticker in Amherst which said, "Amherst, where only the H is silent." However, there are a number of other Amhersts in other states, and all of them pronounce the H, as does the family of Lord Jeffrey Amherst. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From irw@well.com Tue Feb 21 01:14:26 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1850328231.4984.1329804865999.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Indiana briefly had a KXJH licensed to Linton. The conventional wisdom says the FCC mixed Indiana up with Iowa or Idaho. I don't think KXJH ever signed on the air, and I think the FCC deleted the allocation from the FM Table of Allotments. - Blaine From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 21 01:44:14 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:44:14 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> Garrett wrote-- > As I said, the boundary used to follow the western border of Texas. > That explains all the W calls in Texas, not to mention the other > states I mentioned above. The original boundary made geographic sense > because ships in the Atlantic used K callsigns, and ships in the > Pacific used W callsigns -- the Bureau of Navigation's scheme was that > shore stations serving the Atlantic (which could be as far west as > Texas) would get W callsigns, and shore stations serving the Pacific > would get K callsigns, the opposite of the assignment for ships. > And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed exactly. The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given that some of the early call letters came from ships at sea which had sunk (and the next ship didn't want those call letters, thinking them bad luck), the Department of Commerce did not always follow logic when handing out call letters to the new commercial radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call with a K (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got assigned even though the station was located in Detroit and probably should have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, I'd imagine. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 10:53:18 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:53:18 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: This article I linked to mention's KOP. http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm Is CBW in danger of being moved to AM? I didn't realize until being sent there just how isolated Winnipeg is. Edmonton and Calgary are both 850 miles away, Toronto 1300 and Minneapolis is closest at 450. We did notice on 1290 that the TSN sportsflash person just 'You're listening to TSN Radio on CHUM, CKGM and CFRW' which was the only mention of call signs. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Garrett wrote-- > > As I said, the boundary used to follow the western border of Texas. >> That explains all the W calls in Texas, not to mention the other >> states I mentioned above. The original boundary made geographic sense >> because ships in the Atlantic used K callsigns, and ships in the >> Pacific used W callsigns -- the Bureau of Navigation's scheme was that >> shore stations serving the Atlantic (which could be as far west as >> Texas) would get W callsigns, and shore stations serving the Pacific >> would get K callsigns, the opposite of the assignment for ships. >> >> > > And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed exactly. > The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given that some of the > early call letters came from ships at sea which had sunk (and the next ship > didn't want those call letters, thinking them bad luck), the Department of > Commerce did not always follow logic when handing out call letters to the > new commercial radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call > with a K (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got > assigned even though the station was located in Detroit and probably should > have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, I'd > imagine. > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 10:54:07 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:54:07 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: That should read moving to FM On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > This article I linked to mention's KOP. > > http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm > > Is CBW in danger of being moved to AM? I didn't realize until being sent > there just how isolated Winnipeg is. Edmonton and Calgary are both 850 > miles away, Toronto 1300 and Minneapolis is closest at 450. > > We did notice on 1290 that the TSN sportsflash person just 'You're > listening to TSN Radio on CHUM, CKGM and CFRW' which was the only mention > of call signs. > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Garrett wrote-- >> >> As I said, the boundary used to follow the western border of Texas. >>> That explains all the W calls in Texas, not to mention the other >>> states I mentioned above. The original boundary made geographic sense >>> because ships in the Atlantic used K callsigns, and ships in the >>> Pacific used W callsigns -- the Bureau of Navigation's scheme was that >>> shore stations serving the Atlantic (which could be as far west as >>> Texas) would get W callsigns, and shore stations serving the Pacific >>> would get K callsigns, the opposite of the assignment for ships. >>> >>> >> >> And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed exactly. >> The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given that some of the >> early call letters came from ships at sea which had sunk (and the next ship >> didn't want those call letters, thinking them bad luck), the Department of >> Commerce did not always follow logic when handing out call letters to the >> new commercial radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call >> with a K (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got >> assigned even though the station was located in Detroit and probably should >> have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, I'd >> imagine. >> > > From sid@wrko.com Tue Feb 21 07:22:45 2012 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:22:45 +0000 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C851B4A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "KDKA seems to be an anomaly -- either the Department of Commerce had briefly forgotten about the W/K rule, or the clerk who assigned it was just sloppy." The way this was explained to me way back when: For a very brief time (I think it was less than 18 months), the Department of Commerce was assigning broadcast call signs from the group reserved for ships, and when Westinghouse applied for a call sign for their Pittsburgh station KDKA was the next available one from that group. As with so many other things regarding KDKA, that story may have been either made up or altered down through the years. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 12:14:35 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:14:35 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C851B4A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C851B4A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: However that doesn't explain KQV On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > "KDKA seems to be an anomaly -- either the Department of Commerce had > briefly forgotten about the W/K rule, or the clerk who assigned it was just > sloppy." > > The way this was explained to me way back when: For a very brief time (I > think it was less than 18 months), the Department of Commerce was assigning > broadcast call signs from the group reserved for ships, and when > Westinghouse applied for a call sign for their Pittsburgh station KDKA was > the next available one from that group. As with so many other things > regarding KDKA, that story may have been either made up or altered down > through the years. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 21 11:05:47 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> On 2/21/2012 10:54 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > That should read moving to FM > The CBC has taken a different approach to AM in the Canadian west. It recognizes that the huge signals from CBW, CBR, CBX and CBK effectively cover enormous swaths of emptiness that would be economically impossible to replicate with FM transmitters. So it's leaving those signals (and CBU Vancouver, too) on AM, but it has put "nested" lower-power FM relays on the air to provide FM service to the core of each urban market. In Winnipeg, it's CBW-1-FM, running 2800 watts on 89.3 from a rooftop downtown. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 12:47:08 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:47:08 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> Message-ID: CBK Regina is roughly 350 miles from Winnipeg but it could be heard cleanly in the daytime. I also checked it in Fargo and it was still clear in the late afternoon. Being on 540 CBK may well have the best AM signal in North America. A few years ago when I took the train to Seattle the only station I could get for about an hour in eastern Montana was CBK. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 12:53:14 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:53:14 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Public_Invited_To_Celebration_Of_Dave_Maynard=92s_Li?= =?windows-1252?Q?fe?= Message-ID: There will be a public memorial service on February 29,2012 at Saint Cecilia?s Parish on Belvidere Street in the Back Bay at 11 a.m. More details from WBZ http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/21/public-invited-to-celebration-of-dave-maynards-life/ From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 21 12:50:09 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:50:09 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C851B4A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4F43D951.2040801@fybush.com> On 2/21/2012 12:14 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > However that doesn't explain KQV > Nothing explains KQV. It's truly an anomaly. Incidentally, did my explanation of the Minneapolis KFAN/KFXN callsign mess make it to the list yesterday? I sent it from my phone and didn't see it show up on the list later on... s From cohasset@frontiernet.net Tue Feb 21 12:59:38 2012 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:59:38 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > The CBC has taken a different approach to AM in the Canadian west. It recognizes that the huge signals from CBW, CBR, CBX and CBK effectively cover enormous swaths of emptiness that would be economically impossible to replicate with FM transmitters. Ah....if only NCPR could / would do that in the Adirondacks.... Bud Hippisley From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 14:03:22 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:03:22 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43D951.2040801@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C851B4A@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <4F43D951.2040801@fybush.com> Message-ID: Once you explained the KFAN-FM part of it :) I think my partly in jest thought that the founders of KQV simply asked for it saying you already have KDKA here. The call letters are suppose to mean 'King of the Quaker Valley'. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 2/21/2012 12:14 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> However that doesn't explain KQV >> >> > Nothing explains KQV. It's truly an anomaly. > > Incidentally, did my explanation of the Minneapolis KFAN/KFXN callsign > mess make it to the list yesterday? I sent it from my phone and didn't see > it show up on the list later on... > > s > From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 21 13:08:18 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:08:18 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> On 2/21/2012 12:59 PM, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >> The CBC has taken a different approach to AM in the Canadian west. It >> recognizes that the huge signals from CBW, CBR, CBX and CBK >> effectively cover enormous swaths of emptiness that would be >> economically impossible to replicate with FM transmitters. > > Ah....if only NCPR could / would do that in the Adirondacks.... CBW and CBK can do what they do because they sit astride some of the most phenomenal ground conductivity anywhere on Earth. Even if NCPR could somehow secure a similar AM facility (imagine, for instance, that WGY no longer needed its AM outlet and there wasn't a spacing issue to CJAD preventing 810 from moving north), it still would cover only a tiny fraction of what CBW or CBK can blanket with that same 50 kW. Get out into that incredible soil in the upper Midwest and you find that even 1000 watts on a graveyard channel gets out better than WGY or WHAM does with 50,000 watts back east. One of my most vivid memories of the original "Big Trip" back in 2001 with Garrett was waking up in Yankton, South Dakota, flipping around the dial and hearing 1230 from Sioux Falls banging in like a very loud local...from 60 miles out. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 15:06:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:06:34 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: When I was on that train in Montana I don't think we were any closer to Regina than about 150 miles and CBK just blasted in and for a good hour it was the ONLY station available ( AM or FM ) - One does not understand rural until they see Eastern Montana. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 21 16:36:36 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:36:36 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com><4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com><1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net><4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: Years ago, when my late wife and I traveled out that way, my favorite station was CKUA 580 in Edmonton (or is it Edmondton?). CKUA is long gone from AM now but it was owned by the University of Alberta and was only 10 kW (by day--not sure about nights; it would have had to protect KMJ, WIBW, and WKTY). I think it was DA-2 with a north-south pattern--by day anyhow. At a distance of about 200 miles, we listened to it wherever we went in Montana and, of course, the reception only improved as we entered Alberta. It was like a local and the programming was great, too. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. > When I was on that train in Montana I don't think we were any closer > to > Regina than about 150 miles and CBK just blasted in and for a good > hour it > was the ONLY station available ( AM or FM ) - One does not > understand rural > until they see Eastern Montana. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 21 17:27:11 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:27:11 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4F441A3F.7090108@attorneyross.com> On 2/21/2012 1:08 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > CBW and CBK can do what they do because they sit astride some of the > most phenomenal ground conductivity anywhere on Earth. What makes the ground there so conductive? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 17:33:46 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:33:46 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: A few years ago, I worked for a 5000 Watt AM Stereo Station in Western North Dakota that could be heard in all of Western North Dakota from Minot/Bismarck and could be heard in small chunks of NW South Dakota, NE Wyoming, about 1/3rd of Montana along with hitting two Canadian provinces... BY DAY. At night, this thing pounded into Regina so I'm told. We had regular listeners 100-150 miles away whod listen on walkmans while working in the field on their tractor. We had another listener who came from 180 miles away to pick up a prize they'd won. No, I wasn't at K-Fire 550. Paul On Feb 21, 2012 5:21 PM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Years ago, when my late wife and I traveled out that way, my favorite > station was CKUA 580 in Edmonton (or is it Edmondton?). CKUA is long > gone from AM now but it was owned by the University of Alberta and was > only 10 kW (by day--not sure about nights; it would have had to > protect KMJ, WIBW, and WKTY). I think it was DA-2 with a north-south > pattern--by day anyhow. At a distance of about 200 miles, we listened > to it wherever we went in Montana and, of course, the reception only > improved as we entered Alberta. It was like a local and the > programming was great, too. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 21 16:54:30 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:54:30 -0600 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com><4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com><1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net><4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <0afcd2c1321ae373c977e995e087cd8c.squirrel@webmail.fybush.com> > Years ago, when my late wife and I traveled out that way, my favorite > station was CKUA 580 in Edmonton (or is it Edmondton?). CKUA is long > gone from AM now but it was owned by the University of Alberta and was > only 10 kW (by day--not sure about nights; it would have had to > protect KMJ, WIBW, and WKTY). Actually, it still exists on AM! 50,000 watts these days, at least daytime. The CKUA network went through a bunch of financial troubles in the mid-1990s and is now in the hands of a private foundation. It seems to be doing OK lately. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 21 17:21:08 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:08 -0500 Subject: Dave Maynard memorial service Message-ID: <4F4418D4.3020106@donnahalper.com> For those interested, the following information comes from WBZ Radio: The family of long time WBZ Radio and TV personality Dave Maynard would like to invite the public to a celebration of Dave's life at 11am on Wednesday February 29th, at Saint Cecilia's Parish, 18 Belvidere Street in Boston's Back Bay. Listeners, co-workers and well-wishers can pay their last respects at the celebratory mass. The Veteran Boston broadcaster and member of the Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of Fame, passed away Feb. 9 in Citrus Hills, Florida after a long fight with Parkinson's Disease. Donations may be made in memory of Dave to the Parkinson's Disease Foundation (http://www.pdf.org/). If you would like to send Dave's family a note, mail it to Mike Maynard, 69 Summit Avenue, Winthrop, MA 02152. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 21 17:21:27 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:27 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4F4418E7.7060309@attorneyross.com> On 2/21/2012 11:05 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > The CBC has taken a different approach to AM in the Canadian west. It > recognizes that the huge signals from CBW, CBR, CBX and CBK > effectively cover enormous swaths of emptiness that would be > economically impossible to replicate with FM transmitters. So it's > leaving those signals (and CBU Vancouver, too) on AM, but it has put > "nested" lower-power FM relays on the air to provide FM service to the > core of each urban market. In Winnipeg, it's CBW-1-FM, running 2800 > watts on 89.3 from a rooftop downtown. Is there some reason why it isn't CBW-FM instead of CBW-1-FM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 21 18:24:25 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:24:25 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F4418E7.7060309@attorneyross.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <4F4418E7.7060309@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20292.10153.260498.185359@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is there some reason why it isn't CBW-FM instead of CBW-1-FM? It's a rebroadcaster of CBW(AM). CBW-FM is the Radio 2 transmitter in Winnipeg. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 20:29:54 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:29:54 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <1329874063.6896.YahooMailNeo@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> <1329874063.6896.YahooMailNeo@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was at "NewsRadio 660 KEYZ Country" (pronounced KEYS) I personally heard the station somewhat reliably in Minot and Bismarck at night. Paul On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Paul Walker wrote: > >A few years ago, I worked for a 5000 Watt AM Stereo Station in Western > >North Dakota that could be heard in all of Western North Dakota from > >Minot/Bismarck and could be heard in small chunks of NW South Dakota, NE > >Wyoming, about 1/3rd of Montana along with hitting two Canadian > >provinces... BY DAY. > > > >At night, this thing pounded into Regina so I'm told. > > > >We had regular listeners 100-150 miles away whod listen on walkmans while > >working in the field on their tractor. We had another listener who came > >from 180 miles away to pick up a prize they'd won. > > > >No, I wasn't at K-Fire 550. > > > I remember K-Fire giving forecasts for parts of at least five states (the > Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming and Nebraska, IIRC). > > And as Kevin said, eastern Montana is indeed rural (as is Wyoming). Did my > cross-country I-90 drive back in 2000. Fifty miles between some exits. > Almost all of the stations I heard were off the bird. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 21 20:00:30 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:00:30 -0500 Subject: Famous Jim Sands Message-ID: <4F443E2E.6030505@donnahalper.com> I am often asked what happened to Jim Sands and now I know. Just got off the phone with him. He retired a while ago, and he & his wife moved to Dennisport on the Cape. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 21 20:44:54 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:44:54 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com><4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com><1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net><4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> <0afcd2c1321ae373c977e995e087cd8c.squirrel@webmail.fybush.com> Message-ID: <8961BCC6E23B4A5DAB510F6E68B1CED4@SatU205S5044> If CKUA is still using its three-tower site (two towers days, all three at night), it is getting all of that coverage with 60-degree towers (a little more than 280' = 60 degrees at 580)! With that soil conductivity, you don't need half-wave towers to get out like gangbusters. CBK uses a 90-degree tower. Of course, the tower has to be a little taller than 450' to be 90 degrees at 540. A 1000' tower would be almost exactly 200 degrees at 540. It would produce a field equivalent to 80 kW from a 90-degree tower, so the signal improvement would be noticeable. Can't do it now, though; too many co-channel stations would be hurt, including a Class A in Mexico. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Scott Fybush" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:54 PM Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. >> Years ago, when my late wife and I traveled out that way, my >> favorite >> station was CKUA 580 in Edmonton (or is it Edmondton?). CKUA is >> long >> gone from AM now but it was owned by the University of Alberta and >> was >> only 10 kW (by day--not sure about nights; it would have had to >> protect KMJ, WIBW, and WKTY). > > Actually, it still exists on AM! 50,000 watts these days, at least > daytime. The CKUA network went through a bunch of financial troubles > in > the mid-1990s and is now in the hands of a private foundation. It > seems to > be doing OK lately. From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Feb 21 20:27:43 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1329874063.6896.YahooMailNeo@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Paul Walker wrote: >A few years ago, I worked for a 5000 Watt AM Stereo Station in Western >North Dakota that could be heard in all of Western North Dakota from >Minot/Bismarck and could be heard in small chunks of NW South Dakota, NE >Wyoming, about 1/3rd of Montana along with hitting two Canadian >provinces... BY DAY. > >At night, this thing pounded into Regina so I'm told. > >We had regular listeners 100-150 miles away whod listen on walkmans while >working in the field on their tractor. We had another listener who came >from 180 miles away to pick up a prize they'd won. > >No, I wasn't at K-Fire 550. I remember K-Fire giving forecasts for parts of at least five states (the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming and Nebraska, IIRC).? And as Kevin said, eastern Montana is indeed rural (as is Wyoming). Did my cross-country I-90 drive back in 2000. Fifty miles between some exits. Almost all of the stations I heard were off the bird. From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 21 21:43:59 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:43:59 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F441A3F.7090108@attorneyross.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> <4F441A3F.7090108@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F44566F.10206@fybush.com> On 2/21/2012 5:27 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/21/2012 1:08 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> CBW and CBK can do what they do because they sit astride some of the >> most phenomenal ground conductivity anywhere on Earth. > > What makes the ground there so conductive? > It used to be an ocean, and it's very moist. As for the callsign question, Canada handles things a bit differently from the US. There are "stations," and then there are "transmitters." CBK is a "station" - it's licensed with specific requirements about its programming. But in addition to its main licensed signal at 540, its license also includes numerous rebroadcast transmitters. "Transmitters" are kind of like translators in the US, but they can be on either AM or FM, and they don't have the same power restrictions that US translators have. Some can even originate limited amounts of local programming. (For many years, the Radio-Canada TV outlet in Toronto, CBLFT, was actually licensed not on its own but rather as a transmitter of Ottawa's CBOFT.) Transmitters can sometimes have their own callsigns, but especially on FM they usually use the parent station's callsign followed by a number. All Canadian FM stations are assumed to have the "-FM" suffix. Put those pieces together and we see that the signal on 89.3 in Winnipeg is thus CBW-1-FM - CBW for the parent station, -1 for the transmitter suffix, and -FM because it's on FM. The CBC could also have given the transmitter on 89.3 its own call, something like "CBWA." As Garrett notes, there's already a separate CBW-FM, carrying CBC Radio Two. On a similar vein, there used to be both a CBF(AM) and a CBF-FM in Montreal carrying separate Radio-Canada services. Both had transmitters in smaller Quebec communities, and it was not unusual to find a place where there was both a CBF-10-FM, carrying the CBF(AM) programming, and a CBF-FM-2, carrying the CBF-FM programming. When Radio-Canada moved CBF from 690 AM to 95.1 FM, you couldn't have two "CBF-FM"s, so the former CBF-FM on 100.7 became CBFX, and all the CBF-FM-2s became CBFX-FM-2s. (Consistency being the hobgoblin of little minds, the English CBC did it differently - when CBL moved to FM, the existing CBL-FM stayed CBL-FM and all its transmitters were CBL-FM-x, except a couple of older ones in Kingston and London with their own calls, CBBK and CBBL; the new Radio One signal on FM became CBLA-FM and its new transmitters became CBLA-FM-x.) Fortunately for the public, the CBC never announces those transmitter callsigns anyway, so it's just "CBC Radio 1 Winnipeg" whether it's CBW(AM) or CBW-1-FM or whatever. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Feb 21 23:30:05 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:30:05 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F44566F.10206@fybush.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> <4F441A3F.7090108@attorneyross.com> <4F44566F.10206@fybush.com> Message-ID: Scott Didn't the ill fated CKO all news network start this? ( You has CKO's all over Canada in the 80's for example the former CFOX Montreal/Point Clair became CKO) On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 2/21/2012 5:27 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 2/21/2012 1:08 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >> CBW and CBK can do what they do because they sit astride some of the >>> most phenomenal ground conductivity anywhere on Earth. >>> >> >> What makes the ground there so conductive? >> >> > It used to be an ocean, and it's very moist. > > As for the callsign question, Canada handles things a bit differently from > the US. There are "stations," and then there are "transmitters." > > CBK is a "station" - it's licensed with specific requirements about its > programming. But in addition to its main licensed signal at 540, its > license also includes numerous rebroadcast transmitters. > > "Transmitters" are kind of like translators in the US, but they can be on > either AM or FM, and they don't have the same power restrictions that US > translators have. Some can even originate limited amounts of local > programming. (For many years, the Radio-Canada TV outlet in Toronto, CBLFT, > was actually licensed not on its own but rather as a transmitter of > Ottawa's CBOFT.) > > Transmitters can sometimes have their own callsigns, but especially on FM > they usually use the parent station's callsign followed by a number. > > All Canadian FM stations are assumed to have the "-FM" suffix. > > Put those pieces together and we see that the signal on 89.3 in Winnipeg > is thus CBW-1-FM - CBW for the parent station, -1 for the transmitter > suffix, and -FM because it's on FM. The CBC could also have given the > transmitter on 89.3 its own call, something like "CBWA." > > As Garrett notes, there's already a separate CBW-FM, carrying CBC Radio > Two. > > On a similar vein, there used to be both a CBF(AM) and a CBF-FM in > Montreal carrying separate Radio-Canada services. Both had transmitters in > smaller Quebec communities, and it was not unusual to find a place where > there was both a CBF-10-FM, carrying the CBF(AM) programming, and a > CBF-FM-2, carrying the CBF-FM programming. When Radio-Canada moved CBF from > 690 AM to 95.1 FM, you couldn't have two "CBF-FM"s, so the former CBF-FM on > 100.7 became CBFX, and all the CBF-FM-2s became CBFX-FM-2s. > > (Consistency being the hobgoblin of little minds, the English CBC did it > differently - when CBL moved to FM, the existing CBL-FM stayed CBL-FM and > all its transmitters were CBL-FM-x, except a couple of older ones in > Kingston and London with their own calls, CBBK and CBBL; the new Radio One > signal on FM became CBLA-FM and its new transmitters became CBLA-FM-x.) > > Fortunately for the public, the CBC never announces those transmitter > callsigns anyway, so it's just "CBC Radio 1 Winnipeg" whether it's CBW(AM) > or CBW-1-FM or whatever. > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 22 01:19:19 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:19:19 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> On 2/21/2012 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed > exactly. The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given that > some of the early call letters came from ships at sea which had sunk > (and the next ship didn't want those call letters, thinking them bad > luck), the Department of Commerce did not always follow logic when > handing out call letters to the new commercial radio stations. And > sometimes, there was a requested call with a K (such as the early > Police radio station KOP) and the K got assigned even though the > station was located in Detroit and probably should have gotten a W... > somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, I'd imagine. How about WCOP? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 22 07:22:34 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:22:34 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> I'm pretty sure that, somewhere, there was (still is?) a KCOP (can't recall whether it was/is AM, FM, or both; hmmm, could it have been a Los Angeles TV?), but I don't think it had any connection to WCOP (either the Boston WCOP or any other WCOP). Now, were the KCOP calls (or the WCOP calls, for that matter) ever on a police-calls station? The police band of the '30s and '40s--IIRC, 1610-1700 kHz, post NARBA--is now, mostly the expanded AM band (although 1610 is reserved for TISes). The calls of the student-run FM at my college, WRPI, were once used by the police-calls station in Ashland Ohio--at least I think it was Ohio. The "I" would make more sense if it were Indiana--assuming that there is an Ashland in Indiana. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:19 AM Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. > On 2/21/2012 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed >> exactly. The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given >> that some of the early call letters came from ships at sea which >> had sunk (and the next ship didn't want those call letters, >> thinking them bad luck), the Department of Commerce did not always >> follow logic when handing out call letters to the new commercial >> radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call with a K >> (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got assigned >> even though the station was located in Detroit and probably should >> have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, >> I'd imagine. > > How about WCOP? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Feb 22 07:43:34 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:43:34 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Gee, I hope there were never any police calls WROB, or worse KILL. It's probably a good thing they went to the KCA860 format. -Bob On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'm pretty sure that, somewhere, there was (still is?) a KCOP (can't > recall whether it was/is AM, FM, or both; hmmm, could it have been a > Los Angeles TV?), but I don't think it had any connection to WCOP > (either the Boston WCOP or any other WCOP). Now, were the KCOP calls > (or the WCOP calls, for that matter) ever on a police-calls station? > The police band of the '30s and '40s--IIRC, 1610-1700 kHz, post > NARBA--is now, mostly the expanded AM band (although 1610 is reserved > for TISes). > > The calls of the student-run FM at my college, WRPI, were once used by > the police-calls station in Ashland Ohio--at least I think it was > Ohio. The "I" would make more sense if it were Indiana--assuming that > there is an Ashland in Indiana. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. > > > > On 2/21/2012 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: >> >> And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed >>> exactly. The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given >>> that some of the early call letters came from ships at sea which >>> had sunk (and the next ship didn't want those call letters, >>> thinking them bad luck), the Department of Commerce did not always >>> follow logic when handing out call letters to the new commercial >>> radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call with a K >>> (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got assigned >>> even though the station was located in Detroit and probably should >>> have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job done, >>> I'd imagine. >>> >> >> How about WCOP? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 22 08:09:44 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:09:44 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <758E40A2410442E89102A62E63A99F97@SatU205S5044> There is a WGUN (AM) in Atlanta, I believe. I don't know what the format is but I think the station became WGUN long before Second-Amendment issues became a staple of Conservative talk radio. Can you imagine a talk station where guns were the topic 24/7? I doubt whether even the most loyal NRA member could stand that. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Cc: "A Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. > Gee, I hope there were never any police calls WROB, or worse KILL. > It's probably a good thing they went to the KCA860 format. > > -Bob > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure that, somewhere, there was (still is?) a KCOP >> (can't >> recall whether it was/is AM, FM, or both; hmmm, could it have been >> a >> Los Angeles TV?), but I don't think it had any connection to WCOP >> (either the Boston WCOP or any other WCOP). Now, were the KCOP >> calls >> (or the WCOP calls, for that matter) ever on a police-calls >> station? >> The police band of the '30s and '40s--IIRC, 1610-1700 kHz, post >> NARBA--is now, mostly the expanded AM band (although 1610 is >> reserved >> for TISes). >> >> The calls of the student-run FM at my college, WRPI, were once used >> by >> the police-calls station in Ashland Ohio--at least I think it was >> Ohio. The "I" would make more sense if it were Indiana--assuming >> that >> there is an Ashland in Indiana. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" >> >> To: "Donna Halper" >> Cc: >> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:19 AM >> Subject: Re: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. >> >> >> >> On 2/21/2012 1:44 AM, Donna Halper wrote: >>> >>> And even as far back as 1922, the W and K rule was not followed >>>> exactly. The first station in Alaska was WLAY (not KLAY). Given >>>> that some of the early call letters came from ships at sea which >>>> had sunk (and the next ship didn't want those call letters, >>>> thinking them bad luck), the Department of Commerce did not >>>> always >>>> follow logic when handing out call letters to the new commercial >>>> radio stations. And sometimes, there was a requested call with a >>>> K >>>> (such as the early Police radio station KOP) and the K got >>>> assigned >>>> even though the station was located in Detroit and probably >>>> should >>>> have gotten a W... somehow WOP would not have gotten the job >>>> done, >>>> I'd imagine. >>>> >>> >>> How about WCOP? >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >>> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 >>> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >>> >> > From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Feb 22 09:20:39 2012 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:20:39 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <1329874063.6896.YahooMailNeo@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com> <20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F43C0DB.6060201@fybush.com> <1499505C-23E7-4924-8E97-089E61204F88@frontiernet.net> <4F43DD92.2030706@fybush.com> <1329874063.6896.YahooMailNeo@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > > I remember K-Fire giving forecasts for parts of at least five states (the > Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming and Nebraska, IIRC). > > KFYR's signal is amazing. I once got them clearly during the day in the middle of Minnesota on a really deaf aftermarket car radio that couldn't hear WBZ in Manchester, N.H. You can literally drive all day without changing the station. From dave@skywaves.net Wed Feb 22 12:14:44 2012 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:14:44 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <006501ccf185$78eb6960$6ac23c20$@skywaves.net> KCOP-TV Los Angeles From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 22 17:14:06 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:14:06 -0500 Subject: While wandering through the Upper Midwest. In-Reply-To: <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> References: <20289.64726.700951.996378@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F431AB4.4000506@attorneyross.com><20291.11981.910476.510477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4F433D3E.8040604@donnahalper.com> <4F4488E7.2020808@attorneyross.com> <3C23EF8595024209B1976174D95DFC88@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F4568AE.7090306@attorneyross.com> On 2/22/2012 7:22 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'm pretty sure that, somewhere, there was (still is?) a KCOP (can't > recall whether it was/is AM, FM, or both; hmmm, could it have been a > Los Angeles TV?), but I don't think it had any connection to WCOP > (either the Boston WCOP or any other WCOP). Now, were the KCOP calls > (or the WCOP calls, for that matter) ever on a police-calls station? > The police band of the '30s and '40s--IIRC, 1610-1700 kHz, post > NARBA--is now, mostly the expanded AM band (although 1610 is reserved > for TISes). At some point in the early 1960s, WCOP had a "mascot" that they called "Willie the Cop." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Feb 22 16:13:18 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:13:18 -0500 Subject: Interesting Coincidence: Chuck Todd Comment & Fybush Calendar Message-ID: <20120222211319.191410@gmx.com> On his MSNBC TV show "Daily Rundown", Chuck Todd has a daily trivia question. Just a few days ago, he asked "which Presidential candidate's grandfather was appointed to the Federal Radio Commission?" It turned out to be Mitt Romney, whose mother was the daughter of Harold Lafount. The FRC preceded the FCC of course, and its appointees represented certain areas of the country. Mr. Lafount was from Utah and represented the Western United States. Now a glance at the Scott Fybush Calendar for February, 2012 contains the information that Thursday, the 23rd, is the 85th anniversary of the date that Calvin Coolidge signed the Act that brought the FRC into being. Without making any comment about the upcoming Presidential election, there remains the possibilty that Mitt Romney could gain the Republican nomination, and therefore have a good shot at becoming President. If that happens, one fine day a President Romney would certainly make an appointment to the FCC, and nearly nine decades later, we would come full circle. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 22 23:36:37 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:36:37 -0500 Subject: Interesting Coincidence: Chuck Todd Comment & Fybush Calendar In-Reply-To: <20120222211319.191410@gmx.com> References: <20120222211319.191410@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F45C255.1040908@donnahalper.com> On 2/22/2012 4:13 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > On his MSNBC TV show "Daily Rundown", Chuck Todd has a daily trivia question. Just a few days ago, he asked "which Presidential candidate's > grandfather was appointed to the Federal Radio Commission?" It turned out to be Mitt Romney, whose mother was the daughter of Harold Lafount. > I am not sure I'd brag about that, if I were Mitt. Mr LaFount left the FRC and bought some radio stations (including the old WORL in Boston); he later ended up in the midst of a financial scandal, along with his business partner Arde Bulova, and had to divest of the stations, as the FCC accused him and his partner of illegal stock transactions, irregularities with station billing, etc. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 02:02:46 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:02:46 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... Message-ID: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the last few years. First, when they tried to dump their live overnight show. Then when they realized that mistake, they backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the weekend! Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was between having a local overnight show and local news in the evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday and Sunday. Your call. If given the choice by your general manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-) Which would YOU choose. From francini@mac.com Thu Feb 23 06:11:40 2012 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:11:40 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> References: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> Message-ID: This is a false choice. I'd choose neither one. I'd be looking at many a third option: Organizing a listener revolt. Create as much bad PR for parent CBS as possible about WBZ abandoning its decades-old role. File complaints to the FCC telling them that the station is no longer operating in the public interest. Anything and everything possible to make it obvious that the present management is trying to kill the station. Try to get this GM fired for being unimaginative in the face of a perceived revenue shortfall, and for being completely tone-deaf to the listeners. John On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:02, Don wrote: > WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the last few years. > > First, when they tried to dump their live overnight show. Then when they realized that mistake, they backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. > > Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the weekend! > > Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was between having a local overnight show and local news in the evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday and Sunday. > > Your call. If given the choice by your general manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-) Which would YOU choose. > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 08:46:39 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:46:39 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man Message-ID: Rick Starr writes a long note on the mess WBZ was 30 years ago when he left KDKA to take the WBZ job. They had lost the Patriots because Westinghouse was late with rights fee, and as he describes being stuck with a morning man who should have retired 20 years earlier. So according to this, putting Dave on the overnight show was not a master plan to replace Carl. Rick had to convince NY that Carl had to go. Even Bruce Bradley was considered. He also mentions a mid-day person who Starr thought was awful but doesn't name. This reinforces my recollection that they put Dave on overnight to make him quit. http://www.facebook.com/notes/rick-starr/maynard-me/10150602796223431 From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 08:51:19 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:51:19 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> References: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> Message-ID: I would choose boots on the ground seeking stories on which to report, thereby boosting numbers which drive sales. Bill O -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Don Sent: Thu Feb 23 02:02:46 EST 2012 To: B-R-I Subject: If you were to choose..... WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the last few years. First, when they tried to dump their live overnight show. Then when they realized that mistake, they backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the weekend! Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was between having a local overnight show and local news in the evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday and Sunday. Your call. If given the choice by your general manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-) Which would YOU choose. From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 23 09:53:21 2012 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:53:21 +0000 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: References: <8D0075840BA347EDAE8D00EDBA37E55B@s20035> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C855304@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "This is a false choice. I'd choose neither one. "I'd be looking at many a third option: Organizing a listener revolt. Create as much bad PR for parent CBS as possible about WBZ abandoning its decades-old role. File complaints to the FCC telling them that the station is no longer operating in the public interest. Anything and everything possible to make it obvious that the present management is trying to kill the station. Try to get this GM fired for being unimaginative in the face of a perceived revenue shortfall, and for being completely tone-deaf to the listeners." ...all of which will inevitably fall on deaf ears. FCC complaints will go nowhere, as they have repeatedly stated over and over again: They do not get involved in programming decisions. Period. End of discussion. If you're going to try to get listeners involved, remember that you will not get anyone to protest who is satisfied with the programming, and only a percentage of those who are dissatisfied. Personally, I'd aim at the advertisers, but if they're getting the results they expected from their ads, they won't protest either. In any company, the largest expense is people. Infomercials, hated though they are, solve this problem. Either the sponsor pays outright for the time or the station receives PI (per inquiry) revenue. Ratings seldom if ever figure in a decision to run infomercials. Let's keep our eye on the ball: Radio is a business. Its practitioners are in it to make money. Yes, it sounds base and crass, but it's reality. In this economy and at this juncture in the radio business, infomercials pay the bills without a whole lot of expense. Calling the current GM unimaginative is easy from behind a computer keyboard. What's your idea for programming something other than infomercials? How is it going to solve the revenue shortfall AND be something listeners would enjoy, and where's your evidence they would listen to it in enough numbers to make it viable? I've been in this business 43 years, and I won't even pretend to have more than just a few answers, certainly *very* few on the programming side. If you got 'em, let's see 'em. Remember also that this GM works for one of the largest broadcasting companies in the country, and must answer to multiple layers of corporate management. The first thing his corporate bosses look at is his bottom line. If it's consistently red, he's gone. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 23 17:37:00 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:37:00 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> On 2/23/2012 8:46 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > So according to this, putting Dave on the overnight show was not a master > plan to replace Carl. Rick had to convince NY that Carl had to go. Even > Bruce Bradley was considered.... This reinforces my recollection that they put Dave on overnight to make him > quit. > > This is exactly my recollection of events as well. But it should also be noted that Dave did the overnight shift on several occasions during his WBZ career, and it may not have always been as a punishment. I also was mildly amused that Dave's involvement with the payola scandals seems to have been totally forgotten -- he admitted taking cash and gifts totaling about $7000 from record promoters during the period from 1957 to 1959. It was front page news at the time. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 18:56:09 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:56:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 Message-ID: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I came across a posting for a TV Guide ad from 1959 featuring Ted Miller and Barney and "Your New England Weather" on WHDH. Barney looks like a duck or possibly a seagull wearing rain gear. Does anyone know about this show? Here's the link if you would like to see it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-New-England-tv-ad-Weatherman-Ted-Miller-Barney-WHDH-New-England-/170788080132?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c3c34a04 From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 23 20:36:58 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:36:58 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> On 2/23/2012 6:56 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > I came across a posting for a TV Guide ad from 1959 featuring Ted Miller and Barney and "Your New England Weather" on WHDH. Barney looks like a duck or possibly a seagull wearing rain gear. Does anyone know about this show? Here's the link if you would like to see it: > Ted was on the air doing weather on the old channel 5 (along with his characters-- Barney and Leonardo) in the late 50s through the late 1960s. He also did cartoons of the weather report, if I recall correctly. He tried to make his weather report entertaining, but some of the local critics did not find him amusing-- they preferred a more professional presentation. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 21:37:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:37:34 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man In-Reply-To: References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I just sent Donna a couple of Globe articles from 1960. Prescott claimed he resigned - Westinghouse said he was fired as company policy demanded it. Why Dave escaped even though he admitted accepting car payments is not clear. Others who admitted taking payola were Bob Clayton and Sherm Feller. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And, IIRC, Norm Prescott, the big-voiced PM-drive guy, lost his WBZ > gig as a result of that payola scandal. As you would imagine, though, > guys with Prescott's talent did OK. I believe he wound up in New > York--at WHN, maybe. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning > man > > >>> This is exactly my recollection of events as well. But it should >> also be noted that Dave did the overnight shift on several occasions >> during his WBZ career, and it may not have always been as a >> punishment. I also was mildly amused that Dave's involvement with >> the payola scandals seems to have been totally forgotten -- he >> admitted taking cash and gifts totaling about $7000 from record >> promoters during the period from 1957 to 1959. It was front page >> news at the time. >> > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 23 21:18:00 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:18:00 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: And, IIRC, Norm Prescott, the big-voiced PM-drive guy, lost his WBZ gig as a result of that payola scandal. As you would imagine, though, guys with Prescott's talent did OK. I believe he wound up in New York--at WHN, maybe. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man >> > This is exactly my recollection of events as well. But it should > also be noted that Dave did the overnight shift on several occasions > during his WBZ career, and it may not have always been as a > punishment. I also was mildly amused that Dave's involvement with > the payola scandals seems to have been totally forgotten -- he > admitted taking cash and gifts totaling about $7000 from record > promoters during the period from 1957 to 1959. It was front page > news at the time. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 22:55:15 2012 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:55:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > This is a false choice. I'd choose > neither one. I suppose I should have set it up differently. You're the PD of WBZ.....and your GM has given you the following choice. (Your response below means that you would no doubt be fired, and would have no further input. LOL!) > I'd be looking at many a third option: Organizing a listener > revolt. Create as much bad PR for parent CBS as possible > about WBZ abandoning its decades-old role.? File > complaints to the FCC telling them that the station is no > longer operating in the public interest.? Anything and > everything possible to make it obvious that the present > management is trying to kill the station. Try to get this GM > fired for being unimaginative in the face of a perceived > revenue shortfall, and for being completely tone-deaf to the > listeners. > > John > > > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:02, Don > wrote: > > > WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the > last few years. > > > > First, when they tried to dump their live overnight > show.? Then when they realized that mistake, they > backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. > > > > Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the > weekend!? > > > > Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was > between having a local overnight show and local news in the > evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday > and Sunday. > > > > Your call.? If given the choice by your general > manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-)? Which > would YOU choose. > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 00:41:06 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:41:06 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man In-Reply-To: <4F471A59.1080803@donnahalper.com> References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> <4F471A59.1080803@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna did you get the files? The WBZ GM flat out said anybody involved in payola would be fired under Westinghouse policy and yet Dave wasn't. Dave also had a very popular TV show on Saturday afternoon which was 'bandstand' format. Dave must had proof that some Westinghouse bosses were involved as well. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > ** > On 2/23/2012 9:37 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I just sent Donna a couple of Globe articles from 1960. > > Prescott claimed he resigned - Westinghouse said he was fired as company > policy demanded it. Why Dave escaped even though he admitted accepting car > payments is not clear. > > > Joe Smith was also involved in the payola scandals. Bob Clayton was known > for his squeaky-clean reputation and seemed to suffer no consequences. Mac > Richmond and Mel Miller of WMEX were caught up in the payola story too. > But Maynard's situation has always mystified me, as by all accounts, he > took more gifts & cash than most of the others, yet nothing seemed to > happen to him as a result. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 24 00:04:25 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:04:25 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man In-Reply-To: References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4F471A59.1080803@donnahalper.com> On 2/23/2012 9:37 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I just sent Donna a couple of Globe articles from 1960. > > Prescott claimed he resigned - Westinghouse said he was fired as > company policy demanded it. Why Dave escaped even though he admitted > accepting car payments is not clear. Joe Smith was also involved in the payola scandals. Bob Clayton was known for his squeaky-clean reputation and seemed to suffer no consequences. Mac Richmond and Mel Miller of WMEX were caught up in the payola story too. But Maynard's situation has always mystified me, as by all accounts, he took more gifts & cash than most of the others, yet nothing seemed to happen to him as a result. From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 24 00:16:39 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:16:39 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F471D37.4070307@fybush.com> On 2/23/2012 10:55 PM, D. A. wrote: > >> This is a false choice. I'd choose >> neither one. > > I suppose I should have set it up differently. > > You're the PD of WBZ.....and your GM has given you the following choice. > The reality these days, I strongly suspect, is that the PD at most stations wouldn't even get to make that choice. If corporate says you're running infomercials, you're running infomercials unless you can make an awfully good business case against it. ("Awfully good," in this case, would be a situation like the Leveille affair, where there was reportedly a big advertiser that would only continue with the station if overnights remained local.) Having said that, if the scenario really were the way you present it - live evening news/overnights or live weekend dayparts - in this particular case I'd lean heavily toward live overnights, if only because of their importance in providing a lead-in to the start of morning drive, which is so vitally important to WBZ. Weekend infomercials are bad radio, yes...but they don't have the same potential for affecting the most important revenue daypart on the schedule. And, frankly, if I'm overseeing CBS Radio's spoken-word product in Boston, I'm probably going to put my emphasis on WBZ-FM on the weekends, rather than on the AM station. Back when I worked at WBZ, it was a single station and it was run like one - you had to be winning on 1030 or else someone else was winning. But it's part of a cluster now, and it shares a GM with the FM stations...and if the reality is that a big chunk of the weekday 1030 audience is over at 98.5 on the weekends, especially if it's a football weekend, why fight that? From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 07:56:03 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:56:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Feb 24 09:05:39 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:05:39 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801ccf2fd$672d9530$3588bf90$@ma@comcast.net> I seem to remember one station had their weather man dressed up in a gas station pump jockey costume (I think it was Atlantic Richfield oil company). Oh...for the days when there WERE gas station attendants! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:56 AM To: Donna Halper Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 24 10:16:07 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:16:07 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9204F0EDB3784288867A91E8B261D35F@SatU205S5044> FWIW, I believe that Barney was supposed to be a seagull, but I'm not positive. (Too gullible, maybe.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 > It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the > impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather > avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets > (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 10:00:22 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:00:22 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man In-Reply-To: References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com> <4F471A59.1080803@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Bob Clayton also had a TV show on weekends ( Boston Ballroom ) which upset my mother as he was playing records on TV he never would at MOR WHDH. No shock about Mac Richmond being involved. I believe Arnie was approached but wanted no part it. I don't know if this was related in anyways but at least twice WBZ played covers of 2 national hits to prove they could drive record sales. The 2 I remember were 'Gimme Some Lovin' by the Jordan Brothers instead of Spencer Davis and 'Winchester Cathedral by New Happiness. Wiki states - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimme_Some_Lovin' The Jordan Brothers, from Frackville, PA, recorded the song on Phillips. It proved to be their biggest hit, especially in Boston and Baltimore. Bruce Bradley used to boast on the air how he was #1 in Baltimore. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Donna did you get the files? > > The WBZ GM flat out said anybody involved in payola would be fired under > Westinghouse policy and yet Dave wasn't. > > Dave also had a very popular TV show on Saturday afternoon which was > 'bandstand' format. > > Dave must had proof that some Westinghouse bosses were involved as well. > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> ** >> On 2/23/2012 9:37 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> I just sent Donna a couple of Globe articles from 1960. >> >> Prescott claimed he resigned - Westinghouse said he was fired as >> company policy demanded it. Why Dave escaped even though he admitted >> accepting car payments is not clear. >> >> >> Joe Smith was also involved in the payola scandals. Bob Clayton was >> known for his squeaky-clean reputation and seemed to suffer no >> consequences. Mac Richmond and Mel Miller of WMEX were caught up in the >> payola story too. But Maynard's situation has always mystified me, as by >> all accounts, he took more gifts & cash than most of the others, yet >> nothing seemed to happen to him as a result. >> > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 10:30:30 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:30:30 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In Boston I believe Fred B Cole was the Atlantic Weatherman. At WMUR the Atantic Weatherman was Gus Bernier. His talent fee alone from Atlantic was more than what the station paid him. Atlantic provided the set and everything was handled by a Philadelphia ad agency N.W.Ayer. In 1968 there was a problem. Ayer wanted the weather do be done in color or they would cancel. While WMUR could show film and slides in color they could not air video tape or live studio. Gus was furious because he stood to lose a lot of money. WMUR GM Sam Phillips thought he could trick N W Ayer. During the 1968 New Hampshire primary both CBS and ABC set up shop at 1819 Elm Street and Sam begged the CBS people to shoot one weather segment in color and have the truck record it so he could send it to Philadelphia. It actually worked for awhile but finally somebody from Ayer was on vacation in NH and saw it was still in black and white. Video exists of a similar weather show in Harrisburg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr74zll5ZxE On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > I seem to remember one station had their weather man dressed up in a gas > station pump jockey costume (I think it was Atlantic Richfield oil > company). > Oh...for the days when there WERE gas station attendants! > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Maureen Carney > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:56 AM > To: Donna Halper > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 > > It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that > for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the > gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather > girls > and the "funny" weatherman). > > From francini@mac.com Fri Feb 24 10:07:30 2012 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:07:30 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4360A9E1-B849-4683-888D-91A81656DFE2@mac.com> I wasn't responding as a PD; just as a citizen who has grown up listening to WBZ...with Carl DeSeuze (sp?), Dave Maynard, Gary Lapierre, Gil Santos, Don Kent, Larry Glick, David Brudnoy, "Calling All Sports", and many happy memories -- that I don't want to see tarnished by typical corporate greed. Frankly, bird-fed syndicated talk would be FAR better than infomercials. j On 23 Feb 2012, at 22:55, D. A. wrote: > >> This is a false choice. I'd choose >> neither one. > > I suppose I should have set it up differently. > > You're the PD of WBZ.....and your GM has given you the following choice. > > > > (Your response below means that you would no doubt be fired, and would have no further input. LOL!) > > >> I'd be looking at many a third option: Organizing a listener >> revolt. Create as much bad PR for parent CBS as possible >> about WBZ abandoning its decades-old role. File >> complaints to the FCC telling them that the station is no >> longer operating in the public interest. Anything and >> everything possible to make it obvious that the present >> management is trying to kill the station. Try to get this GM >> fired for being unimaginative in the face of a perceived >> revenue shortfall, and for being completely tone-deaf to the >> listeners. >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:02, Don >> wrote: >> >>> WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the >> last few years. >>> >>> First, when they tried to dump their live overnight >> show. Then when they realized that mistake, they >> backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. >>> >>> Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the >> weekend! >>> >>> Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was >> between having a local overnight show and local news in the >> evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday >> and Sunday. >>> >>> Your call. If given the choice by your general >> manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-) Which >> would YOU choose. >>> >> From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Feb 24 10:19:39 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Garys Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:19:39 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <002801ccf2fd$672d9530$3588bf90$@ma@comcast.net> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <002801ccf2fd$672d9530$3588bf90$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01d501ccf307$baec7100$30c55300$@com> Gus Bernier at Channel 9 (WMUR-TV) used to wear his Texaco shirt when he did the Texaco weather report. www.garysicecream.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hall Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:06 AM To: 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: RE: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I seem to remember one station had their weather man dressed up in a gas station pump jockey costume (I think it was Atlantic Richfield oil company). Oh...for the days when there WERE gas station attendants! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:56 AM To: Donna Halper Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 24 10:17:29 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:17:29 -0500 Subject: Former WBZ PD writes on how Dave Maynard became morning man References: <4F46BF8C.6000204@donnahalper.com><4F471A59.1080803@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Isn't it interesting that there was a Frackville PA decades before the invention of the controversial natural-gas-recovery technology known as "fracking"? Is Frackville anywhere near where the Fracking technology is used? I understand (seriously) that it is widely used in Pennsylvania. (No off-color replies, please.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- > > Wiki states - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimme_Some_Lovin' The > Jordan > Brothers, from Frackville, PA, recorded the song on Phillips. It > proved to > be their biggest hit, especially in Boston and Baltimore. Bruce > Bradley > used to boast on the air how he was #1 in Baltimore. > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 11:19:34 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:19:34 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose..... In-Reply-To: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1330055715.66931.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At least they admit it paid programming http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/03/18/wbz-newsradio-program-schedule/ That said WBZ is doing a lot more than KDKA as far as local is concerned http://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/kdka-radio-program-schedule.pdf On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:55 PM, D. A. wrote: > > > This is a false choice. I'd choose > > neither one. > > I suppose I should have set it up differently. > > You're the PD of WBZ.....and your GM has given you the following choice. > > > > (Your response below means that you would no doubt be fired, and would > have no further input. LOL!) > > > > I'd be looking at many a third option: Organizing a listener > > revolt. Create as much bad PR for parent CBS as possible > > about WBZ abandoning its decades-old role. File > > complaints to the FCC telling them that the station is no > > longer operating in the public interest. Anything and > > everything possible to make it obvious that the present > > management is trying to kill the station. Try to get this GM > > fired for being unimaginative in the face of a perceived > > revenue shortfall, and for being completely tone-deaf to the > > listeners. > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:02, Don > > wrote: > > > > > WBZ radio has ticked me off a couple of times in the > > last few years. > > > > > > First, when they tried to dump their live overnight > > show. Then when they realized that mistake, they > > backed off and re-instated Steve Leveille. > > > > > > Then, WBZ turns into infomercial central on the > > weekend! > > > > > > Someone mentioned to me that the tradeoff at WBZ was > > between having a local overnight show and local news in the > > evening.......OR...infomercials during the day on Saturday > > and Sunday. > > > > > > Your call. If given the choice by your general > > manager to choose between those 2 evils ;-) Which > > would YOU choose. > > > > > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 17:25:37 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the fact that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman didn't have to exert too much effort to go to the next map. I remember seeing Atlantic service stations in the late 60s and early 70s, before they became ARCO and left the region. I didn't know that they had that big a presence on TV. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Jim Hall Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 Video exists of a similar weather show in Harrisburg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr74zll5ZxE From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 24 17:33:32 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:33:32 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F48103C.40205@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 7:56 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). I remember this. When WHDH-TV channel 5 first came on, this was the weekend weather report, and they just called it "Ted Miller and Friend." Barney was a handpuppet that hung around the weather map (probably the puppeteer was behind the map), asking questions and making snide remarks, and Ted Miller answered Barney's questions, probably explaining some complex weather issues by explaining them to Barney. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 18:34:45 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:34:45 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Atlantic was huge - they sponsored the Red Sox for decades. A few snippets on the web Utica http://media.wktv.com/images/atlantic_weatherman2.jpg Buffalo http://www.buffalobroadcasters.com/photos/jackmahlyouratlanticweatherman.jpg Orlando http://rogersimmons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PX00109_91.jpg Philadelphia http://www2.timesdispatch.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/202042/herb-clarke/ Scanning Google I have seen obits of old Atlantic weathermen in New Haven and Plattsburgh. Fred B Cole as I mentioned had the role in Boston and it was only for the early newscast at 6 ( Same in Manchester with Gus) Cole was fired by WHDH radio in 1967 with no warning and was replaced by Jim Runyon. Cole surfaced a couple of times first when WNTN Newton went on the air and the Globe archives mention he was hired in 1977 by WHET. I think WHET was the former WCRB AM 1330. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the fact > that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman didn't have to > exert too much effort to go to the next map. > > I remember seeing Atlantic service stations in the late 60s and early 70s, > before they became ARCO and left the region. I didn't know that they had > that big a presence on TV. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kevin Vahey > *To:* Jim Hall > *Cc:* Boston Radio Group > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 10:30 AM > > *Subject:* Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 > > > Video exists of a similar weather show in Harrisburg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr74zll5ZxE > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 24 18:33:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:33:36 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 5:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the fact that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman didn't have to exert too much effort to go to the next map. > > > I remember seeing Atlantic service stations in the late 60s and early 70s, before they became ARCO and left the region. I didn't know that they had that big a presence on TV. At one time they were a major sponsor of Red Sox baseball. They had a cool song: Atlantic keeps your car on the go! For business, for pleasure, In any kind of weather, Atlantic keeps your car on the go, go, go So keep on the go with Atlantic. If we're both there next time we have an in-person gathering somewhere, and you remind me, I'll sing it for you. Maybe with an assist from others who remember the song. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 24 18:51:07 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:51:07 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F48226B.80908@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 6:34 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Cole was fired by WHDH radio in 1967 with no warning and was replaced by > Jim Runyon. Cole surfaced a couple of times first when WNTN Newton went on > the air and the Globe archives mention he was hired in 1977 by WHET. I > think WHET was the former WCRB AM 1330. It was. I remember when they changed, playing MOR music, show tunes, etc., and at first part-time simulcasting WCRB. I was upset about this because I only had an AM radio in my 1970 Dodge Dart, and I could no longer listen to classical music. I said that I thought WHET was all wet! Eventually I got an under-dash FM converter so that I could listen to classical music again in my car. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 24 19:49:24 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:49:24 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F483014.3080602@donnahalper.com> On 2/24/2012 5:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the >> fact that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman >> didn't have to exert too much effort to go to the next map. I remember it well: "Atlantic keeps your car on the go. For business, for pleasure, in any kind of weather, Atlantic keeps your car on the go." Maybe we can have a list sing-along! From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 20:32:43 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:32:43 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4F483014.3080602@donnahalper.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> <4F483014.3080602@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Everybody sing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r84Oqe217co On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 2/24/2012 5:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> >> Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the >>> fact that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman didn't >>> have to exert too much effort to go to the next map. >>> >> > I remember it well: "Atlantic keeps your car on the go. For business, > for pleasure, in any kind of weather, Atlantic keeps your car on the go." > Maybe we can have a list sing-along! > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 22:01:04 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:01:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> <4F483014.3080602@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1330138864.28391.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> You can't hate a commercial where the customer was driving an Edsel. By the way I have bidded on the original Ted Miller ad. I'm probably going to frame it - not sure if I'm going to hang it at home or in the office. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Donna Halper Cc: A. Joseph Ross ; Boston Radio ; Maureen Carney Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 Everybody sing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r84Oqe217co On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Donna Halper wrote: On 2/24/2012 5:25 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > > >> >>Cool link! Only wish the Atlantic commercial was included. I like the fact that the weather maps weren't full screen and the weatherman didn't have to exert too much effort to go to the next map. >>> > I remember it well: ?"Atlantic keeps your car on the go. ?For business, for pleasure, in any kind of weather, Atlantic keeps your car on the go." ? Maybe we can have a list sing-along! > From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 25 00:25:40 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:25:40 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F4870D4.3090701@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 7:56 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > It caught my eye because of Barney. I was always under the impression that for the most part early Boston TV news and weather avoided most of the gimmicks that seemed prevalent in other markets (like puppets, weather girls and the "funny" weatherman). Channel 7 once had a weather girl, who stood behind a transparent map, with the camera reversed so that whatever she wrote was readable to the viewer. Her other gimmick was that she was ambidextrous and had a chalk in each hand, now writing with one hand, now with the other. Maybe someone else around here will remember her name. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 25 00:43:15 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:43:15 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330138864.28391.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330041369.54783.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F46E9BA.7090004@donnahalper.com> <1330088163.75297.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4f47a0dd.c5a12a0a.7a8d.ffffb333SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <1330122337.85579.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F481E50.9010905@attorneyross.com> <4F483014.3080602@donnahalper.com> <1330138864.28391.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F4874F3.9030604@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 10:01 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > You can't hate a commercial where the customer was driving an Edsel. > By the way I have bidded on the original Ted Miller ad. I'm probably > going to frame it - not sure if I'm going to hang it at home or in the > office. I wonder when gas station attendants stopped wearing those spiffy uniforms. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Fri Feb 24 14:41:39 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:41:39 -0500 Subject: Payola in the Hub (was Maynard thread) Message-ID: Prescott literally blew the lid off the scandal. As the lead-off witness, he told a Congressional committee it was "the American Way of LIfe," and revealed that the record companies put together a sort of national network of paid-off jocks which furthered the "prime function of this business to get a record on the air." There was no federal law against it; in a letter to the *Los Angeles Times* a couple of years ago, Prescott's son noted that his father declared everything he got on his income tax forms. Prescott also told the committee he was "ashamed" and "quit in disgust" over the practice, but he gave the committee what its members wanted when he tied the rise of rock and roll to pay for play. The BZ general manager said he was fired and Prescott told the committee that was a lie. It is important to note that the committee at first was only consequently interested in the facts of payola; the real object of the hearing was the rock and roll menace, which was held responsible for fornication, truancy, delinquency and hot rods. Remember, this was soon after the McCarthy era, and it was still the practice in Congress to hold hearings with explosive testimony to boost a member's public image. Group W accused of Prescott of lying in his testimony when he claimed he had worked at stations that also got payola, in the form of advertising that was tied-in to record sales. A pretty good businessman who was founder of what became Northeast School of Broadcasting, Prescott quit BZ and became VP for music with Embassy Pictures, produced some animated films and helped start Filmation. Maynard and Alan Dary were suspended by WBZ then put on probation. Maynard said he was only paid to promote records outside the station, while Dary said he was given a few hundred dollars worth of Christmas presents, something that was pretty much standard in corporate America at the time. Dary told the congressional committee he always tried to present 'adult' music on his program and associated payola with being a way to get bad "raucous" music on the air -- and that's quite credible considering that Alan Dary was associated with adult standards for decades. The saving grace for Dary and Maynard was that it apparently was not really pay for on-air play and Group W didn't develop the kind of license problems that hit Nelson Nobel (WILD), Judge Tarlow (WHIL), Pilgrim and Buckey-Jaeger (WORL) or Richmond Bros. (WMEX) who had to go explain themselves to the Commission. Keep in mind, too, that the biggest name involved after Freed went down was Dick Clark and part of his defense was to redefine where payola ended and legitimate outside record promotion businesses began. Mac Richmond was said to have received $1400 for making one promoter's records the Gold Platter of the Week for 13 weeks, and was told flat-out by members of the committee he put WMEX's license on the line in taking it. Unfortunately, some people were stained by a rather wide brush and their own industry's lack of standards for what they did on their own time. Arnie Ginsburg was reportedly paid, but he was hired by record companies to do record hops away from the Broadcast House. Similarly, Joe Smith's deal was for royalties on sales in the market -- he later became an important exec with Warner Bros. Labels and promoters may well have trusted his ear and paid him to "consult" on which of the hundreds of releases that flooded the market in a given month had a chance to make it. Through it all, the committee bagged one prize. They got who they were looking for -- . Alan Freed, the man they blamed for the whole rock and roll fad, was fined 300 bucks for breaking a NY state bribery law, fired, blackballed and left to drink himself into an early grave. Ex-WEZE jock George Carlin may have summed up the consequence of the scandal at Wonderful WINO, referring to playing "the boss hits from the boss list that the boss told me to play." From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 26 00:45:57 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:45:57 -0500 Subject: Payola in the Hub (was Maynard thread) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F49C715.4040503@attorneyross.com> On 2/24/2012 2:41 PM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > It is important to note that the committee at first was only consequently > interested in the facts of payola; the real object of the hearing was the > rock and roll menace, which was held responsible for fornication, truancy, > delinquency and hot rods. Remember, this was soon after the McCarthy era, > and it was still the practice in Congress to hold hearings with explosive > testimony to boost a member's public image. Yes, now they don't have to hold hearings, all they need is to make outrageous statements on cable news. > Maynard and Alan Dary were suspended by WBZ then put on probation. Maynard > said he was only paid to promote records outside the station, while Dary > said he was given a few hundred dollars worth of Christmas presents, > something that was pretty much standard in corporate America at the time. Yes, I remember when I first started as a lawyer in the early 1970s, at the holiday season, the senior partner would make the rounds of various insurance companies and come back with cases settled. The following year when I worked at the Brookline Rent Control Board, there was one landlord's lawyer who, every holiday season, would bring a box with an assortment of fancy cheeses. I don't think it affected how we decided any of his cases, but it was a friendly gesture. Although I never saw it, I heard that some law firms gave gifts to court personnel, too. Then Watergate happened. In December 1974, the presiding judge at the Brookline District Court posted a notice on the wall saying, "Please do not give gifts to court personnel. They are not allowed to accept them." And when that lawyer came in with his cheese assortment, while we were looking at it admiringly, the Director called him into his office and told him he had to take the cheeses back. We were disappointed when he came out and took the cheeses, and the Director told us what had happened, but we quickly recognized that it was right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Feb 26 00:59:38 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:59:38 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose Message-ID: <24C278A6E5744BD990D5A8D3D85EA17D@chrisHP> Rather than the infomercials (which I came across tonight and immediately tuned to WINS) or localism I would be looking into why my sales department is not producing adequate revenue rather than embarrassing my station by running them. From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Feb 26 01:18:37 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:18:37 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 Message-ID: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> When my brothers and I are taking a trip down memory lane, riding in the car with my father always comes up along with the Red Sox on WHDH 85 AM and 94.5 FM(I never dreamed during those day that I would later work at both of them) and the Atlantic jingle ?Atlantic keeps your car on the go- go- go- go keep on the go with Atlantic? along with Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller before and after the game. There are certain songs that immediately put me in the front seat of our 1960 Chevy station wagon, music memories are very powerful. Also any one out there remember Arch MacDonald as ?Your ESSO Reporter? on WBZ-TV: More people the whole world over like the products and service they find at the E-S-S-O yes sir ESSO at the ESSO sign! From billohno@gmail.com Sun Feb 26 08:27:22 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:27:22 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose In-Reply-To: <24C278A6E5744BD990D5A8D3D85EA17D@chrisHP> References: <24C278A6E5744BD990D5A8D3D85EA17D@chrisHP> Message-ID: You nailed it, Chris. Never, under any circumstances, blame the sales unit. Bill O -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Chris Hall Sent: Sun Feb 26 00:59:38 EST 2012 To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: If you were to choose Rather than the infomercials (which I came across tonight and immediately tuned to WINS) or localism I would be looking into why my sales department is not producing adequate revenue rather than embarrassing my station by running them. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 26 08:51:31 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:51:31 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> Message-ID: Before it was on TV, the Esso Reporter was a fixture on radio in the late '30s and early '40s. IIRC, the five-minute news program was heard three times daily (AM drive, midday, and PM drive) on one station in each of a small number of major markets. I am pretty sure that the program was voiced locally at each station that carried it. That is, it was not delivered to the stations by network feed. I think that the Esso Reporter was on WJZ in New York City, WBZ in Boston, and WEAN in Providence. I don't remember whether or not the program was carried in Hartford. If it was, it was probably on WTIC. I don't think any station in northern New England carried it. Not sure about Philadelphia, Baltimore, DC, Richmond, or Norfolk, but for some crazy reason, ISTR that it was on in Norfolk--on WTAR. I could be imagining something that never happened, though. The reason that I remember (or am imagining) as much as I am/do is that Esso roadmaps (remember roadmaps?) listed stations and air times for the program in markets located within the region that each map covered. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 When my brothers and I are taking a trip down memory lane, riding in the car with my father always comes up along with the Red Sox on WHDH 85 AM and 94.5 FM(I never dreamed during those day that I would later work at both of them) and the Atlantic jingle ?Atlantic keeps your car on the go- go- go- go keep on the go with Atlantic? along with Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller before and after the game. There are certain songs that immediately put me in the front seat of our 1960 Chevy station wagon, music memories are very powerful. Also any one out there remember Arch MacDonald as ?Your ESSO Reporter? on WBZ-TV: More people the whole world over like the products and service they find at the E-S-S-O yes sir ESSO at the ESSO sign! From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Feb 26 10:33:45 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:33:45 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> Message-ID: I remember Victor Best as the Esso Reporter in the mid to late 50's on channel 4. From rac@server4.gabrielmass.com Sun Feb 26 12:41:37 2012 From: rac@server4.gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:41:37 -0500 Subject: If you were to choose In-Reply-To: References: <24C278A6E5744BD990D5A8D3D85EA17D@chrisHP> Message-ID: <4F4A6ED1.2010709@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 02/26/2012 08:27 AM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > You nailed it, Chris. Never, under any circumstances, blame the sales unit. > Bill O The sales unit would blame the recession anyway. Here are figures from CBS's 10-K report; if I understand this right, it's the ad revenue of their local TV and radio stations combined: 2008: $2.95 B 2009: $2.36 B 2010: $2.78 B So ad revenue in 2010 remained below '08 levels. Maybe someday ad revenue will be high enough to support live weekend programming. I hope it's soon, because those infomercials will seem pretty lame on summer weekends. --RC From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 14:01:44 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> Message-ID: <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I couldn't find any "Your Esso Reporters" from the US on YouTube, but there was this one from Brazil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51qmZeJh4g ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; Chris Hall Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I remember Victor Best as the Esso Reporter in the mid to late 50's on channel 4. From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Sun Feb 26 16:08:16 2012 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:08:16 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F4A9F40.10200@nycap.rr.com> Here's a radio one from WPTF Radio, Raleigh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PUc2REk98o The radio version aired on WBZ radio before being on its TV sibling, per an unimpeachable source: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/03/14/wbz-newsradio-1030-history-1930s/ Donna's amazing book "Boston Radio: 1920-2010" has a photo of Victor Best as WBZ-TV's "Your Esso Reporter." Also, the old Billboard issues on Google Books lend info, including in the 2/16/52 issue that Esso was placing its Esso Reporter newscast on 5 local TV stations (WPIX NYC, WBAL-TV Baltimore, WTOP-TV Washington, WTVR Richmond, and WDSU-TV New Orleans. Each was noted to be using local newscasters. Various later issues list WMCT Memphis; WJAR Providence (note that the Providence cast was at 11 p.m. and Memphis at 10, but NO's was at 6 p.m.); WBTV Charlotte; WLWT Cincinatti; WFIL-TV Philly; WNBT NYC; WSYR Syracuse (as a sportscast, not newscast); WTAR Norfolk; WSM-TV Nashville. A 4/30/55 article mentions that there were at that point 20 local Esso Reporter NV newscasts. Wikipedia says it was on WRGB in my local area. On 2/26/2012 2:01 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > I couldn't find any "Your Esso Reporters" from the US on YouTube, but there was this one from Brazil: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51qmZeJh4g > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; Chris Hall > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 > > I remember Victor Best as the Esso Reporter in the mid to late 50's on > channel 4. > > -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 NOTE: I do not regularly read emails from this account, other than those sent to mailing lists to which I subscribe, in order to minimize spam. If you need to reach me other than via a mailing list, please feel free to call me or use my regular business email address, which is the first letter of my first name plus my middle initial plus my last name at nycap.rr.com (which is stated that way to avoid spambots). From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Feb 26 18:04:12 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:04:12 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4F4A9F40.10200@nycap.rr.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F4A9F40.10200@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Victor was let go from Channel 4 in December of 1960 and told him he could not say goodbye on the air. He tried to and the station went to black. He bought Northeast Broadcasting School in 1962 and for a short time did the news on WIHS-TV (38) when it was owned by the Archdiocese of Boston. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 27 00:13:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:13:36 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> Message-ID: <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> On 2/26/2012 1:18 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Also any one out there remember Arch MacDonald as ?Your ESSO Reporter? on WBZ-TV: > More people the whole world over like the products and service they find at the E-S-S-O yes sir ESSO at the ESSO sign! I remember Arch MacDonald, and someone else whose name escapes me, as the "Shawmut Nightly News Teller." As a small child, this made perfect sense to me, since he was there to "tell" the news. I also remember that in 1973, after the change over to Exxon in the United States, I spent a week in London and found that the signs there still said Esso. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 27 00:16:58 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:16:58 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F4A9F40.10200@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F4B11CA.7000408@attorneyross.com> On 2/26/2012 6:04 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Victor was let go from Channel 4 in December of 1960 and told him he could > not say goodbye on the air. He tried to and the station went to black. That sucks. Why would a station be that nasty to such a long-time fixture on the station? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 27 01:03:45 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:03:45 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies (was: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959) In-Reply-To: <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I also remember that in 1973, after the change over to Exxon in the > United States, I spent a week in London and found that the signs there > still said Esso. As indeed they still do to this day, in the UK and most other countries. In some places, the brand is licensed to another oil company. (In Canada, the trademark is owned by Imperial Oil, which is a majority-owned subsidiary of ExxonMobil, and one of the few remaining Canadian companies that still use the word "Imperial" in their formal names. (The Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, better known as CIBC, is another.)) The other Standard Oil companies were still vigorously maintaining their local "Standard" trademarks at that time and would not permit Standard of New Jersey to operate as "Esso" in their territories; Jersey Standard used the name "Enco" there, until they bought Humble Oil of Texas and rebranded everything "Exxon". (The original "Standard Oil" companies doing business under the "Standard" name in this period were Jersey Standard; Standard of New York (Socony), which adopted the name Socony-Vacuum (Mobil) and the famous Pegasus logo when it acquired competitor Vacuum Oil Co.; Kentucky Standard (KySO), which was acquired by Standard of California (CalSO) and with it became Chevron; Standard of Ohio (SOHIO); and Standard of Indiana, which acquired American Oil Co. and became Amoco. Standard of Louisiana (STANOCOLA) was acquired by Jersey Standard early on and was already operating under the Esso name. Various other retailers were also part of the Standard Oil Trust, but never operated under the Standard name.) All of these companies maintained at least one retailer in each state using the name "Standard", in some cases long after the name had been ceded to the history books -- Scott and I stopped by the (Amoco) Standard station in Iowa not long before it became a BP back in 2001. In some cases, the name they eventually adopted, like Chevron and I believe Amoco, was first used in territories where they could not use "Standard". However, SOHIO used the name BORON outside of Ohio (it had no other "home" territory, unlike the others) until they were all rebranded as BP (which the company would like to remind you definitely does not stand for "Anglo-Persian Oil Company" or even "British Petroleum" any more). -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 27 01:45:14 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:45:14 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies (was: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959) In-Reply-To: <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Manchester, NH of all places was a test market for the Esso/Exxon switch. The stations there re-branded a full year before it was rolled out. In the early 60's I can recall that Standard Oil of Indiana called themselves AMOCO in New England but in New York City there were AMERICAN. I can also recall that my dad would drive out of his way to get Gulf back then. Brand loyalty still meant something. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > I also remember that in 1973, after the change over to Exxon in the > > United States, I spent a week in London and found that the signs there > > still said Esso. > > As indeed they still do to this day, in the UK and most other > countries. In some places, the brand is licensed to another oil > company. (In Canada, the trademark is owned by Imperial Oil, which is > a majority-owned subsidiary of ExxonMobil, and one of the few > remaining Canadian companies that still use the word "Imperial" in > their formal names. (The Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, better > known as CIBC, is another.)) > > The other Standard Oil companies were still vigorously maintaining > their local "Standard" trademarks at that time and would not permit > Standard of New Jersey to operate as "Esso" in their territories; > Jersey Standard used the name "Enco" there, until they bought Humble > Oil of Texas and rebranded everything "Exxon". (The original > "Standard Oil" companies doing business under the "Standard" name in > this period were Jersey Standard; Standard of New York (Socony), which > adopted the name Socony-Vacuum (Mobil) and the famous Pegasus logo > when it acquired competitor Vacuum Oil Co.; Kentucky Standard (KySO), > which was acquired by Standard of California (CalSO) and with it > became Chevron; Standard of Ohio (SOHIO); and Standard of Indiana, > which acquired American Oil Co. and became Amoco. Standard of > Louisiana (STANOCOLA) was acquired by Jersey Standard early on and was > already operating under the Esso name. Various other retailers were > also part of the Standard Oil Trust, but never operated under the > Standard name.) > > All of these companies maintained at least one retailer in each state > using the name "Standard", in some cases long after the name had been > ceded to the history books -- Scott and I stopped by the (Amoco) > Standard station in Iowa not long before it became a BP back in 2001. > In some cases, the name they eventually adopted, like Chevron and I > believe Amoco, was first used in territories where they could not use > "Standard". However, SOHIO used the name BORON outside of Ohio (it > had no other "home" territory, unlike the others) until they were all > rebranded as BP (which the company would like to remind you definitely > does not stand for "Anglo-Persian Oil Company" or even "British > Petroleum" any more). > > -GAWollman > > From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Feb 27 01:19:17 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:19:17 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <070DBDCFC098452EB4976CFE886B5C03@chrisHP> Hi guys, I also remember ?Your ESSO Reporter? was on in Memphis. Tennessee was a very strong ESSO state but I can?t remember if it was WREC-TV or WMC-TV (at the time WMCT). One of my other interests and hobbies is gas station and other oil company memorabilia especially ESSO, Calso-Chevron, Atlantic-ARCO and Amoco. From: Maureen Carney Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:01 PM To: Kevin Vahey ; Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ; Chris Hall Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I couldn't find any "Your Esso Reporters" from the US on YouTube, but there was this one from Brazil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51qmZeJh4g -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Vahey To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; Chris Hall Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I remember Victor Best as the Esso Reporter in the mid to late 50's on channel 4. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Feb 27 02:04:33 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:04:33 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <4F4B11CA.7000408@attorneyross.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F4A9F40.10200@nycap.rr.com> <4F4B11CA.7000408@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: >From his obit in 1998 'His career as a Boston newscaster came to an abrupt halt on Dec. 2, 1960, when TV sets went dark just as he was wrapping up his evening telecast. Though the broadcast was to be his last for the station, he was told he wouldn't be allowed to thank his audience and sponsor. When he attempted to thank them, the station cut him off. After Mr. Best finished reading his prepared statement, the station went back on the air. The incident led to scores of telephone calls to the station and local newspapers.' Westinghouse was never considered talent friendly - Rex Trailer was forced to leave Philadelphia for Boston back in 1956 when NBC/Westinghouse swapped licenses between Philly and Cleveland. The reverse happened a decade later when Mike Douglas went from Cleveland to Philly when the Supreme Court ruled NBC was being bad towards Westinghouse. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:16 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/26/2012 6:04 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Victor was let go from Channel 4 in December of 1960 and told him he could >> not say goodbye on the air. He tried to and the station went to black. >> > > That sucks. Why would a station be that nasty to such a long-time fixture > on the station? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 27 01:55:49 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:55:49 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4F4B28F5.2040101@attorneyross.com> On 2/27/2012 1:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the early 60's I can recall that Standard Oil of Indiana called > themselves AMOCO in New England but in New York City there were AMERICAN. I seem to remember Amoco becoming American in Massachusetts as well at some point. I thought that it was American Oil Company. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Feb 27 03:47:43 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:47:43 -0500 Subject: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 In-Reply-To: <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <1330282904.20561.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BAEF5CF3D154CC0B9881999925A21EE@chrisHP> I found tons of ?Your ESSO reporter? info on Google, seems that news show title is still being used all around the world including such places as Aruba. Dan you will find very detailed lists of radio and TV stations within Standard Oil of NJ- ESSO marketing territory from Maine to Texas that were involved and even info on the CBS Boston.com web page. There is a fully restored ESSO station in Mena, Arkansas. FYI, Exxon USA still markets many products using the ESSO name in the original SO NJ territory to keep from losing the ESSO trademark, I often see them at Exxon-Mobil dealers and cases of ESSO motor oil and transmission fluid appear at Auto Zone. Recently saw some cases at an independent gas station in Melrose. From: Maureen Carney Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:01 PM To: Kevin Vahey ; Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ; Chris Hall Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I couldn't find any "Your Esso Reporters" from the US on YouTube, but there was this one from Brazil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51qmZeJh4g -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Vahey To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; Chris Hall Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: Re: WHDH-TV Weather 1959 I remember Victor Best as the Esso Reporter in the mid to late 50's on channel 4. From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 07:54:23 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:54:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <4F4B28F5.2040101@attorneyross.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F4B28F5.2040101@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1330347263.84975.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I remember a big huge neon American sign (oval & torch) on Route 1 just before the Dedham Mall. From: A Joseph Ross To: Kevin Vahey ; Boston Radio Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Old oil companies On 2/27/2012 1:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the early 60's I can recall that Standard Oil of Indiana called themselves AMOCO in New England but in New York City there were AMERICAN. I seem to remember Amoco becoming American in Massachusetts as well at some point.? I thought that it was American Oil Company. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700? ? ? ? ? Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004? ? http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Feb 27 10:40:11 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:40:11 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <1330347263.84975.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7DCBBE9C05F8428EBE4E5AAFBEC96274@chrisHP> <4F4B1100.3080507@attorneyross.com> <20299.7361.40940.329617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F4B28F5.2040101@attorneyross.com> <1330347263.84975.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54B6B387-76D9-4EA5-ABAC-C1B682F77DF7@mac.com> On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > > I seem to remember Amoco becoming American in Massachusetts as well at some point. I thought that it was American Oil Company. I seem to remember that where I grew up on Long Island, NY it first was Amoco, then became American, and then went back to Amoco, prior to being purchased by BP. I believe they left New England several years before the sale to BP. But I do know that for some time the remaining BP stations in other parts of the country had signs that read ?BP, Selling Amoco Fuels?. They dropped the part about Amoco fuels sometime before they re-entered the New England market several years ago by purchasing Getty, which by that time was owned by Russian company Lukoil. What I also have noticed is that while there used to be lots of radio and TV commercials for the oil companies, now there are very few, and most that remain are for the corporate image rather than for the product. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Feb 29 03:48:45 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:48:45 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies Message-ID: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> Standard Oil of Indiana decided to catch the wave when America was riding high during the early 60?s by rebranding from Amoco to American, that turned into disaster when things turned turbulent in the anti-America late 60?s and 70?s. They decided to rebrand back to Amoco even in their home territory of the Midwest keeping a Standard oval and torch at one station in each state for trademark purposes. If you visit any local BP station they also keep it alive, you will see ?Lead free Amoco? above the switches that select the octane grade. In St Louis there are several gigantic Amoco torch signs that have been declared historical landmarks and are maintained much like the Citgo sign in Kenmore Square Boston. All other signage on these stations are now BP. Chevron does the same, I have recently bought gas at Chevron stations in Miami and Phoenix that still have the word Standard on the sides of the gas pump canopy though the main Signage and the pumps are branded Chevron. Anyone else remember the big Calso (now Chevron ) sign on the back side of the Buckminster Hotel in Kenmore Square Boston (WNAC studios) It was on the backside from the magnificent White fuel (Texaco) spewing oil derrick sign. Neon signage in Boston was great in those days, now boring Boston has none of New Yorks glitter. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 29 04:31:04 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 04:31:04 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> Message-ID: The CaLso sign http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429026_268787546530991_100001992431460_604449_1818540523_n.jpg My recollection is in the early 60's New England was Amoco but when we went to NYC it was American. Lest we forget Flying A which became Getty which in 1979 helped fund a little cable startup in Bristol,Ct :) On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Standard Oil of Indiana decided to catch the wave when America was riding > high during the early 60?s by rebranding from Amoco to American, that > turned into disaster when things turned turbulent in the anti-America late > 60?s and 70?s. They decided to rebrand back to Amoco even in their home > territory of the Midwest keeping a Standard oval and torch at one station > in each state for trademark purposes. If you visit any local BP station > they also keep it alive, you will see ?Lead free Amoco? above the switches > that select the octane grade. In St Louis there are several gigantic Amoco > torch signs that have been declared historical landmarks and are maintained > much like the Citgo sign in Kenmore Square Boston. All other signage on > these stations are now BP. > Chevron does the same, I have recently bought gas at Chevron stations in > Miami and Phoenix that still have the word Standard on the sides of the gas > pump canopy though the main Signage and the pumps are branded Chevron. > Anyone else remember the big Calso (now Chevron ) sign on the back side of > the Buckminster Hotel in Kenmore Square Boston (WNAC studios) It was on the > backside from the magnificent White fuel (Texaco) spewing oil derrick sign. > Neon signage in Boston was great in those days, now boring Boston has > none of New Yorks glitter. > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 29 14:44:45 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:44:45 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> Message-ID: <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> On 2/29/2012 4:31 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The CaLso sign > > http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429026_268787546530991_100001992431460_604449_1818540523_n.jpg > > My recollection is in the early 60's New England was Amoco but when we went > to NYC it was American. > > Lest we forget Flying A which became Getty which in 1979 helped fund a > little cable startup in Bristol,Ct :) And Flying A was formerly Tydol. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Wed Feb 29 18:06:33 2012 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:06:33 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> I also recall only the Amoco signs here in the Boston area (I do remember the big sign in Dedham, after getting off 128 at the GM Plant, going past the GEM Department Store (Later Lechmere) then seeing the AMOCO sign just before passing Mr. Donut at the rotary..... And I remember Jenny stations that later became ???? (I am wracking my brain trying to remember.....) And remember that Getty ONLY sold Premium gas in the Leaded days..... -Paul Hopfgarten -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:44 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Old oil companies On 2/29/2012 4:31 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The CaLso sign > > http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429026_268787546530991_100001992431460_604449_1818540523_n.jpg > > My recollection is in the early 60's New England was Amoco but when we > went > to NYC it was American. > > Lest we forget Flying A which became Getty which in 1979 helped fund a > little cable startup in Bristol,Ct :) And Flying A was formerly Tydol. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 29 19:23:55 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:23:55 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> Message-ID: Jenny became Citgo http://books.google.com/books?id=lgqXd_nH7fIC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=jenney+oil+company&source=bl&ots=ezO7NcMsEW&sig=hV6dfRA1XFrt09f0A9NPnC5yJDE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JsFOT5CwO8On0AHqqMHZAw&sqi=2&ved=0CFkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jenney%20oi On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I also recall only the Amoco signs here in the Boston area (I do remember > the big sign in Dedham, after getting off 128 at the GM Plant, going past > the GEM Department Store (Later Lechmere) then seeing the AMOCO sign just > before passing Mr. Donut at the rotary..... > > And I remember Jenny stations that later became ???? (I am wracking my > brain trying to remember.....) > > And remember that Getty ONLY sold Premium gas in the Leaded days..... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > > -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:44 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.**BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Old oil companies > > > On 2/29/2012 4:31 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The CaLso sign >> >> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.**net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429026_** >> 268787546530991_**100001992431460_604449_**1818540523_n.jpg >> >> My recollection is in the early 60's New England was Amoco but when we >> went >> to NYC it was American. >> >> Lest we forget Flying A which became Getty which in 1979 helped fund a >> little cable startup in Bristol,Ct :) >> > > And Flying A was formerly Tydol. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 29 20:17:45 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:17:45 -0500 Subject: Der Krahwinkler Landstorm Message-ID: The music on this should bring back memories of a giant in Boston radio. I haven't heard it in years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcNai3VCFVg From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Feb 29 19:44:24 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:44:24 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> Message-ID: <200D42C8-5C67-4F1A-BC62-55D62AC48121@mac.com> On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Jenny became Citgo > But before it was Citgo it was Cities Service. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From hishaun@hotmail.com Wed Feb 29 20:40:12 2012 From: hishaun@hotmail.com (Shaun Hayes) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:40:12 -0500 Subject: Frederick Wales dies at 100 Message-ID: Mr. Wales obituary needs only one line to describe his brief carreer in Boston radio, leader of the WHDH house band in 1930-31, but the thought that this link to such a remote period in local broadcast history had survived so long is astonishing. This must mark the end of an era. I wonder what memories are lost with his passing. http://www.salemnews.com/obituaries/x843248393/Frederick-C-Wales-100 From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 29 22:14:04 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:14:04 -0500 Subject: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> References: <7DEDF2945E26472A9662DD5D2570F736@chrisHP> <4F4E802D.1020301@attorneyross.com> <14937951ED654B8ABBD4D35BA7149023@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4F4EE97C.1090001@attorneyross.com> On 2/29/2012 6:06 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I also recall only the Amoco signs here in the Boston area (I do > remember the big sign in Dedham, after getting off 128 at the GM > Plant, going past the GEM Department Store (Later Lechmere) then > seeing the AMOCO sign just before passing Mr. Donut at the rotary..... > > And I remember Jenny stations that later became ???? (I am wracking my > brain trying to remember.....) Jenny was taken over by Citgo, and most Jenny stations then became Citgo stations. The advertising slogan was, "Change to Citgo. Jenny did." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 29 22:16:53 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:16:53 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: Old oil companies In-Reply-To: <4F4EE9F9.5060005@attorneyross.com> References: <4F4EE9F9.5060005@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F4EEA25.7010105@attorneyross.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Old oil companies Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:16:09 -0500 From: A Joseph Ross Organization: Law Office of A. Joseph Ross, J.D. To: Larry Weil On 2/29/2012 7:44 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Jenny became Citgo >> > But before it was Citgo it was Cities Service. Cities Service became Citgo, and that was when the Citgo sign in Kenmore Square replaced the previous Cities Service sign. Later, Jenny also became Citgo, apparently through a takeover of some sort. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 29 22:19:16 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:19:16 -0500 Subject: Der Krahwinkler Landstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> On 2/29/2012 8:17 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The music on this should bring back memories of a giant in Boston radio. I > haven't heard it in years. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcNai3VCFVg I can't remember ever hearing this before. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Feb 29 23:34:02 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:34:02 -0500 Subject: Der Krahwinkler Landstorm In-Reply-To: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> References: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe - then I can assume you did not listen to Larry Glick often - this was a staple at both WMEX and WBZ LUDWIG!!!!!! Where are you..... On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:19 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/29/2012 8:17 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The music on this should bring back memories of a giant in Boston radio. I >> haven't heard it in years. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=fcNai3VCFVg >> > > I can't remember ever hearing this before. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rac@server4.gabrielmass.com Wed Feb 29 23:34:41 2012 From: rac@server4.gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:34:41 -0500 Subject: Der Krahwinkler Landstorm In-Reply-To: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> References: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F4EFC61.9080503@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 02/29/2012 10:19 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2/29/2012 8:17 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> The music on this should bring back memories of a giant in Boston >> radio. I >> haven't heard it in years. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcNai3VCFVg > > I can't remember ever hearing this before. > If I remember right, Larry Glick played it each day in the last segment of his show. --RC From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Feb 29 23:50:52 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:50:52 -0500 Subject: Der Krahwinkler Landstorm In-Reply-To: References: <4F4EEAB4.8020505@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F4F002C.9000200@attorneyross.com> On 2/29/2012 11:34 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Joe - then I can assume you did not listen to Larry Glick often - this > was a staple at both WMEX and WBZ Didn't he do the all-night shift? My parents insisted I had to turn the light out and go to bed at a reasonable hour. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com