From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 1 08:09:41 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:09:41 -0400 Subject: Brother Stair back on WWZN Message-ID: Cross-posted from Radio-Info.com (Boston board) Re: WWZN all sports? Reply #38 on: Today at 06:32:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: raccoonradio on Yesterday at 04:22:55 PM Temp. not in area to hear it but Mark of Bos Radio watch tweets Santos should be back on 1510 today 3-6p I wrote: Santos was on yesterday afternoon (Tuesday 7/31/2012), but this morning (Wed 8/1) ~7:00AM Yahoo! Sports was on. However, according to one WWZN schedule I saw recently, Santos' AM program is not supposed to begin until 8:00AM, so he may yet be on in that time slot. Still, I wonder. I tuned in to 1510 at around 3:00AM this morning and heard Brother Stair. I did not tune in during any adjacent hours to see whether WWZN was running Roy Masters. (I haven't given up on my idea of the Stair-Masters program.;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Aug 1 11:16:48 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:16:48 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 Message-ID: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued that in 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional from the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 1 12:04:34 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:04:34 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued that in > 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional from > the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 > instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. > John Shepard 3rd complained bitterly about 1260, which WNAC was moved to in 1928. He tried unsuccessfully for years to get a lower frequency on the dial, and ironically, never lived to see it happen, since he died in 1950, whereas the move took place in 1953. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 15:04:25 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:04:25 -0400 Subject: Boston Pete? Message-ID: <3C9E80175F7C49B6AD59D61EEAA3AC32@s20035> Anyone know who "Boston Pete" is? He has a bunch of channels that show up on my internet radio. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 1 16:13:25 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:13:25 -0400 Subject: The New "AMP" In-Reply-To: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50198DE5.3020903@donnahalper.com> Just noticed two large billboards for the new AMP, on the Southeast Expressway. Also, listening to the station, they are still mainly doing a "much more music" approach to top-40: "103 minutes of music." From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 18:36:58 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:36:58 -0400 Subject: Bob Bittner interview in The Phoenix Message-ID: The Boston Phoenix looks at Bob Bittner and WJIB. Gives a good overview on the Mighty 740 http://thephoenix.com/Boston/life/142237-how-one-man-unites-old-folks-babies-and-hipsters/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 1 19:54:08 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:54:08 -0400 Subject: Bob Bittner interview in The Phoenix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5019C1A0.6080903@donnahalper.com> On 8/1/2012 6:36 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Boston Phoenix looks at Bob Bittner and WJIB. Gives a good overview on > the Mighty 740 > Glad to see this. It's about time somebody did a nice story about our friend Bob! If only more owners would program toward a specific niche audience, instead of being the 600th station to air some syndicated talker or the 300th station to play the same songs over and over. There's a lot of great stuff people don't hear on the air anymore, and while Pandora or Spotify are nice for some folks, there is no substitute for a station that has personality. Bob may not always be live on the air, but his presence and his voice are very much in evidence for those who listen to WJIB and WJTO. There's nothing quite like either station. From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Aug 1 20:14:19 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The New "AMP" Message-ID: <1343866459.19561.androidMobile@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> The billboards have been up for at least a week and a half now. (Apologies for top posting, I'm pretty sure that's all this app allows.) ------ Sent from my mobile phone. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 1 23:54:59 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:54:59 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5019FA13.8020509@attorneyross.com> On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued that in > 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional from > the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 > instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. Sounds like quite a find. But why was the petition "of course" turned down? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 00:21:02 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:21:02 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <5019FA13.8020509@attorneyross.com> References: <5019FA13.8020509@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Back in 1947 the FCC was 'hesitant' to break up a clear channel. 1200 was and is assigned to WOAI in San Antonio. Today skywave protection is more limited than back then. Take it the other way - KTWO in Wyoming was only allowed to move in 1030 in 1967 but still nulls to the east to protect WBZ. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:54 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > > In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued that >> in >> 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional >> from >> the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 >> instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. >> > > Sounds like quite a find. But why was the petition "of course" turned > down? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 1 23:57:14 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:57:14 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5019FA9A.30706@attorneyross.com> On 8/1/2012 12:04 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: >> In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued >> that in >> 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW >> directional from >> the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 >> instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. > John Shepard 3rd complained bitterly about 1260, which WNAC was moved > to in 1928. He tried unsuccessfully for years to get a lower > frequency on the dial, and ironically, never lived to see it happen, > since he died in 1950, whereas the move took place in 1953. I understand why 680 was much better, but.maybe people out there could indulge this non-engineer a bit more and explain why was 1260 that bad and why would 1200 have been that much better? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 00:07:30 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:07:30 -0400 Subject: Bob Bittner interview in The Phoenix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5019FD02.1060207@attorneyross.com> On 8/1/2012 6:36 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Boston Phoenix looks at Bob Bittner and WJIB. Gives a good overview on > the Mighty 740 > > http://thephoenix.com/Boston/life/142237-how-one-man-unites-old-folks-babies-and-hipsters/ It's a great article, but I'm sorry to hear that Bob has been having health problems. Like Al Deadrick, I'm concerned about what will happen to the station when Bob is gone, and I'm glad that Bob is at least considering options. But I'd like that to be in the far distant future. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 01:15:23 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 01:15:23 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <5019FA9A.30706@attorneyross.com> References: <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> <5019FA9A.30706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Simple layman's terms - at 1260 they were limited to 5,000 watts non directional day - and directional at night. In theory back in 1947 they could have applied for 50K non directional day ( but WCAU would have been an issue ) and at night into the ocean. I am guessing WNAC was livid when WHDH upgraded to 50K It is important to remember that Metro-West as we know it now really did not exist in the late 40's. Metro Boston was considered anything inside what would become the 128 ring. Honestly 1260 right after the war was probably the third best signal in Boston proper behind WBZ and WEEI. Creative engineering made 850 and 680 better. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:57 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/1/2012 12:04 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: >> >>> In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued >>> that in >>> 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional >>> from >>> the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 >>> instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. >>> >> John Shepard 3rd complained bitterly about 1260, which WNAC was moved to >> in 1928. He tried unsuccessfully for years to get a lower frequency on the >> dial, and ironically, never lived to see it happen, since he died in 1950, >> whereas the move took place in 1953. >> > > I understand why 680 was much better, but.maybe people out there could > indulge this non-engineer a bit more and explain why was 1260 that bad and > why would 1200 have been that much better? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.**com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 01:28:46 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:28:46 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> <5019FA9A.30706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <501A100E.7070507@attorneyross.com> Thank you. On 8/2/2012 1:15 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Simple layman's terms - at 1260 they were limited to 5,000 watts non > directional day - and directional at night. > > In theory back in 1947 they could have applied for 50K non directional > day ( but WCAU would have been an issue ) and at night into the ocean. > > I am guessing WNAC was livid when WHDH upgraded to 50K > > It is important to remember that Metro-West as we know it now really > did not exist in the late 40's. Metro Boston was considered anything > inside what would become the 128 ring. > > Honestly 1260 right after the war was probably the third best signal > in Boston proper behind WBZ and WEEI. Creative engineering made 850 > and 680 better. > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:57 PM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > > On 8/1/2012 12:04 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > > In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was > intrigued that in > 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 > kW directional from > the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they > bought WLAW 680 > instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. > > John Shepard 3rd complained bitterly about 1260, which WNAC > was moved to in 1928. He tried unsuccessfully for years to > get a lower frequency on the dial, and ironically, never lived > to see it happen, since he died in 1950, whereas the move took > place in 1953. > > > I understand why 680 was much better, but.maybe people out there > could indulge this non-engineer a bit more and explain why was > 1260 that bad and why would 1200 have been that much better? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468 |Fx:617.507.7856 > |http://www.attorneyross.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5170 - Release Date: 08/01/12 > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 2 06:28:03 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:28:03 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <9C0DACD398E84A3B9127FF0D15805129@SatU205S5044> Technically, most of Sheppard's complaints about WNAC's frequency (at least the complaints he made in the years immediately preceding 1940/41) would have been about 1230--not 1260. WNAC along with most, if not all, of the other stations on the 1230 regional channel moved to 1260 at the end of March 1941 when NARBA (the North American Regional Broadcast Agreement) extended the AM band to 1600 kC (what we now call 1600 kHz) and shifted the frequencies of most AM stations. Before NARBA, the band had ended at 1500 kC with a few "experimental high-fidelity" AM stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570.) NARBA changed 1230 into a local channel, on which stations were limited to 250W non-directional. Most of the stations that wound up on 1230 had been on 1200 before NARBA. For sure, if Sheppard had been unhappy about 1230 pre-NARBA, had WNAC been relegated to that frequency post-NARBA, he would have been apoplectic! Even in those days, when the AM band was much less densely populated and noise sources, such as switching power supplies didn't exist, the graveyard channels, such as the post-NARBA 1230, did not permit stations with enough coverage to serve major cities--especially in areas like New England with its legendarily awful soil conductivity. The post-NARBA 1200 underwent a transformation that was probably the most dramatic of any channel in the band. It went from a pre-NARBA graveyard channel to a post-NARBA Class IA clear channel on which only one station in North America was allowed to operate at night. That station was WOAI San Antonio TX, which ran and still runs a non-directional 50 kW full-time. With an application for 1200, Sheppard would have been trying to get the FCC to break down the 1200 clear channel, just as it later did with two other such channels, 680 and 850, which, when broken down, became the home of two AMs licensed to Boston. Since all three frequencies (680, 850, and 1200) are now home to 50-kW stations in this area, we know that Sheppard's idea was technically feasible--just 60 or so years ahead of its time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Jim Hall" Cc: "'bri'" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: >> In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued that >> in >> 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW directional >> from >> the FCC. The request was of course turned down and they bought WLAW 680 >> instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. >> > John Shepard 3rd complained bitterly about 1260, which WNAC was moved to > in 1928. He tried unsuccessfully for years to get a lower frequency on > the dial, and ironically, never lived to see it happen, since he died in > 1950, whereas the move took place in 1953. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 2 06:26:34 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:26:34 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net><50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> <5019FA9A.30706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2687232150D64D4483F8436EB9642D03@SatU205S5044> The range of AM signals is inversely proportional to their frequency. 1260 is almost two times 680, so if the power of the 680 and 1260 stations were equal and they both transmitted from the same antenna (neither of which is the case), the 680 station's signal would cover four times the area covered by the 1260 station's signal. (Well, not exactly: in terms of wavelengths, a given tower is almost twice as high at 1260 as it is at 680, and within limits, an electrically taller tower is more efficient than an electrically shorter one. So you could say that if two stations, one at 680 and one at 1260, broadcast from the same tower, you should compare the range of the 1260 station running 5 kW with the range of a 680 station running 10 kW. In THAT comparison, the 680 station's signal would cover four times the area covered by the 1260 station's signal. It isn't quite that straightforward, several other issues are involved--particularly, soil conductivity and directional patterns--but that should give you the idea. One other point: Except under unusual circumstances, doubling power does NOT double the area covered; the effect is generally much less dramatic. As for Sheppard's proposed 50-kW station on 1200, it would also have been better than his 1260 station not only because he was proposing ten times the power on 1200 as he had on 1260, but also because there was very little interference from other stations on 1200 and quite a bit of interference on 1260. That effect is probably much less dramatic today then it was in 1940. In 1940, there was only one station in North America on 1200 and a perhaps dozen on 1260. The 1200 station, in San Antonio TX, was almost 2000 miles from Boston. In 1940, the 1260 station that was closest to Boston was in Washington DC. Today, there are dozens of stations on both 1200 and 1260. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > > I understand why 680 was much better, but.maybe people out there could > indulge this non-engineer a bit more and explain why was 1260 that bad and > why would 1200 have been that much better? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 2 08:48:05 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WNAC 1200 Message-ID: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had since I was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and 1200; WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. ---BB From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Aug 2 08:52:07 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:07 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <5019FA13.8020509@attorneyross.com> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> <5019FA13.8020509@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004801cd70ad$a406e1e0$ec14a5a0$@ma@comcast.net> The article was headlined that WNAC was requesting a modification of the clear channel rules of the time, and states that the FCC had designated 1200 kHz as a frequency to which a full-time Class I station would be assigned, and that any Class II stations assigned to that frequency had to be daytime or limited-time only. WNAC requested that the "daytime or limited-time only" restriction be lifted. I would assume that the reason 1200 would be better than 1260 is because of the option for higher power if the waiver were to be granted. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:55 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 On 8/1/2012 11:16 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > In perusing old Broadcasting magazines this morning, I was intrigued > that in > 1947 the then WNAC 1260 requested a move to 1200 kHz, 50 kW > directional from the FCC. The request was of course turned down and > they bought WLAW 680 instead. I am trying to imagine WRKO 1200 jingles now.haha. Sounds like quite a find. But why was the petition "of course" turned down? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 2 09:33:55 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:33:55 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that WLW was the only station on 700 back then--unless there was a Class II station in Hawaii, and I don't think there was one. But until 1950, I don't think Hawaii was a state. What about 650? Might have been a 650 in Texas. 640 had three (Oklahoma, Illinois, and Ohio) but the Canadian 640 in Newfoundland didn't count because NF was not yet a province. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had since > I > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and 1200; > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. > > ---BB From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Aug 2 09:06:03 2012 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:06:03 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501cd70af$9603c6b0$c20b5410$@ma@comcast.net> In case anyone isn't aware of it, Broadcasting Magazine from 1936-1989 and the Broadcasting yearbooks are online in searchable PDF format at http://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm I enjoy looking at the older issues to see how different things were back then and to trace the changes in stations over the years. From: Jibguy@aol.com [mailto:Jibguy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:48 AM To: dan.strassberg@att.net; dlh@donnahalper.com; aerie.ma@comcast.net Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had since I was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and 1200; WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. ---BB From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 2 09:40:44 2012 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WNAC 1200 Message-ID: <1443a.3bf86756.3d4bdd5c@aol.com> Hawaii became a state in 1959 Newfoundland/Labrador became a province in 1949. Stations prior to 1949 had callsigns starting with VO--. OK, just pulled out my Whites Radio Log from 1963..... Sole stations on a freq are: 670 - WMAQ 700 - WLW 720 - WGN 1200 - WOAI And 1030 WBZ had one other on 1030..... daytimer in Corpus Christie, TX KCTA. And there are a few other clears that had one or two daytimers on trheir freqs. BB From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 2 11:51:42 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:51:42 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <9C0DACD398E84A3B9127FF0D15805129@SatU205S5044> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> <9C0DACD398E84A3B9127FF0D15805129@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20506.41486.775914.306172@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > an application for 1200, Sheppard would have been trying to get the FCC to > break down the 1200 clear channel, just as it later did with two other such > channels, 680 and 850, which, when broken down, became the home of two AMs > licensed to Boston. Since all three frequencies (680, 850, and 1200) are now > home to 50-kW stations in this area, we know that Sheppard's idea was > technically feasible--just 60 or so years ahead of its time. 680 already had a full-time class II in Raleigh when WLAW was granted night operations, and if I remember correctly 680 was a I-B channel anyway. 850 was the bigger deal, but it was broken down in Cleveland first -- in fact, it was the "network/monopoly" rules that forced NBC's hand: under the new rules, NBC would not have been allowed to keep WTAM because there were too few stations in the Cleveland market, but by allowing a full-time 850 to come on in Cleveland, NBC would not be forced to sell WTAM. (Both 850s ended up affiliated with American, formerly NBC Blue.) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 2 11:58:00 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <20506.41486.775914.306172@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <000a01cd6ff8$afc358c0$0f4a0a40$@ma@comcast.net> <50195392.3080501@donnahalper.com> <9C0DACD398E84A3B9127FF0D15805129@SatU205S5044> <20506.41486.775914.306172@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20506.41864.706563.764495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < 680 already had a full-time class II in Raleigh when WLAW was granted > night operations, I forgot to mention that we have good coverage of the events surrounding the full-time upgrades of 680 and 850 in the Eastern Mass. Radio Timeline from 1938 through 1943. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Aug 2 13:29:29 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:29:29 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: Until about 10 years ago there was a 720 on PEI, Canada. I think the power was 10KW IIRC. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had since I > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and 1200; > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. > > ---BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 2 14:48:44 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:48:44 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: CHTN probably moved to 720 in the early '80s--after the Rio treaty took effect. The treaty broke down the ex I-A channels and opened them up to new Class B AMs in the US and other North American countries. Before it moved to 720, CHTN had been on 1190 for, IIRC, several decades. 1190 was a Class I-B channel even before WOWO gave up its I-B status. An interestng thing happened on 720 in New England after CHTN moved to FM: Bob Vinikoor was granted a CP for a station that was to run 50 kW-D in a town in the Connecticut River Valley in central NH. The nighttime power of this station was originally to be 2500W using a six-tower array. But interference to a 720 station in either Greenland or Iceland forced a power reduction to 670W. The NH station was never built and Vinikoor ultimately turned in the CP. But what made no sense to me was that the Greenland or Iceland station would have received much more interference from CHTN when it was operating than it ever would have gotten from the NH station, even had it run the originally planned 2500W at night. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Weil To: Jibguy@aol.com Cc: dan.strassberg@att.net ; dlh@donnahalper.com ; aerie.ma@comcast.net ; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 Until about 10 years ago there was a 720 on PEI, Canada. I think the power was 10KW IIRC. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had since I > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and 1200; > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. > > ---BB From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 14:59:22 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: They moved to 720 in 1987 http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1987/DB87-397.HTM Just an observation but 720 didn't do as well in New England as the other Chicago clears 670, 780 or 890. 1000 was the strongest but they were directional to the east. 670 could fight off 660 New York fine but WGN was just clobbered by WOR at night. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > CHTN probably moved to 720 in the early '80s--after the Rio treaty took > effect. The treaty broke down the ex I-A channels and opened them up to new > Class B AMs in the US and other North American countries. Before it moved > to 720, CHTN had been on 1190 for, IIRC, several decades. 1190 was a Class > I-B channel even before WOWO gave up its I-B status. > > An interestng thing happened on 720 in New England after CHTN moved to FM: > Bob Vinikoor was granted a CP for a station that was to run 50 kW-D in a > town in the Connecticut River Valley in central NH. The nighttime power of > this station was originally to be 2500W using a six-tower array. But > interference to a 720 station in either Greenland or Iceland forced a power > reduction to 670W. The NH station was never built and Vinikoor ultimately > turned in the CP. But what made no sense to me was that the Greenland or > Iceland station would have received much more interference from CHTN when > it was operating than it ever would have gotten from the NH station, even > had it run the originally planned 2500W at night. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Weil > To: Jibguy@aol.com > Cc: dan.strassberg@att.net ; dlh@donnahalper.com ; aerie.ma@comcast.net; > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > > > Until about 10 years ago there was a 720 on PEI, Canada. I think the > power was 10KW IIRC. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > Sent from my iPhone > Big freekin deal! > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > > > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had > since I > > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and > 1200; > > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. > > > > ---BB > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 2 15:40:22 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:40:22 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question Message-ID: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I hate that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad per se, as I am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are and are not allowed to air these days. Two nights ago, during the channel 4 news at 6pm, I saw a Karl Rove super-pac ad against President Obama. Okay fine, there's tons of pro-Obama and anti-Obama ads on the air. But what made this one worrisome to me is it featured Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. It showed him reading a news report about how bad the economy was, and then it moved into the ad's talking points about how the economy was President Obama's fault. Talking points aside, are PACs allowed to use the image and likeness of news anchors in their political ads? Makes it seem as if the anchor endorses or agrees with that message. I know the rules have changed, but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as right-wing or left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume Pelley did not authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there any rules? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 2 16:36:29 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:36:29 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: A difference between WLS and the other three Chicago ND ex-I-A clears would make sense; WLS's transmitter site is ~30 miles south of the sites of the other three stations. But a difference among 670, 720, and 780 is difficult to explain. I believe that the greatest distance between any two of the three is less than six miles. Of course, local variations in soil conductivity can affect long-distance reception, but the conductivity in the Chicago area is generally very good. Also, I think WGN and WBBM are only about 1.5 miles apart. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Larry Weil" ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > They moved to 720 in 1987 > > http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1987/DB87-397.HTM > > Just an observation but 720 didn't do as well in New England as the other > Chicago clears 670, 780 or 890. 1000 was the strongest but they were > directional to the east. > > 670 could fight off 660 New York fine but WGN was just clobbered by WOR at > night. > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: > >> CHTN probably moved to 720 in the early '80s--after the Rio treaty took >> effect. The treaty broke down the ex I-A channels and opened them up to >> new >> Class B AMs in the US and other North American countries. Before it moved >> to 720, CHTN had been on 1190 for, IIRC, several decades. 1190 was a >> Class >> I-B channel even before WOWO gave up its I-B status. >> >> An interestng thing happened on 720 in New England after CHTN moved to >> FM: >> Bob Vinikoor was granted a CP for a station that was to run 50 kW-D in a >> town in the Connecticut River Valley in central NH. The nighttime power >> of >> this station was originally to be 2500W using a six-tower array. But >> interference to a 720 station in either Greenland or Iceland forced a >> power >> reduction to 670W. The NH station was never built and Vinikoor ultimately >> turned in the CP. But what made no sense to me was that the Greenland or >> Iceland station would have received much more interference from CHTN when >> it was operating than it ever would have gotten from the NH station, even >> had it run the originally planned 2500W at night. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Larry Weil >> To: Jibguy@aol.com >> Cc: dan.strassberg@att.net ; dlh@donnahalper.com ; >> aerie.ma@comcast.net; >> boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29 PM >> Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 >> >> >> Until about 10 years ago there was a 720 on PEI, Canada. I think the >> power was 10KW IIRC. >> >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Big freekin deal! >> >> On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >> >> > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had >> since I >> > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and >> 1200; >> > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. >> > >> > ---BB >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:47:57 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:47:57 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: WLS built their transmitter outside of Cook County not to pay taxes. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > A difference between WLS and the other three Chicago ND ex-I-A clears would > make sense; WLS's transmitter site is ~30 miles south of the sites of the > other three stations. But a difference among 670, 720, and 780 is difficult > to explain. I believe that the greatest distance between any two of the > three is less than six miles. Of course, local variations in soil > conductivity can affect long-distance reception, but the conductivity in > the > Chicago area is generally very good. Also, I think WGN and WBBM are only > about 1.5 miles apart. > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Larry Weil" ; ; > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:59 PM > > Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 > > > They moved to 720 in 1987 >> >> http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/**archive/1987/DB87-397.HTM >> >> Just an observation but 720 didn't do as well in New England as the other >> Chicago clears 670, 780 or 890. 1000 was the strongest but they were >> directional to the east. >> >> 670 could fight off 660 New York fine but WGN was just clobbered by WOR at >> night. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Dan.Strassberg >> wrote: >> >> CHTN probably moved to 720 in the early '80s--after the Rio treaty took >>> effect. The treaty broke down the ex I-A channels and opened them up to >>> new >>> Class B AMs in the US and other North American countries. Before it moved >>> to 720, CHTN had been on 1190 for, IIRC, several decades. 1190 was a >>> Class >>> I-B channel even before WOWO gave up its I-B status. >>> >>> An interestng thing happened on 720 in New England after CHTN moved to >>> FM: >>> Bob Vinikoor was granted a CP for a station that was to run 50 kW-D in a >>> town in the Connecticut River Valley in central NH. The nighttime power >>> of >>> this station was originally to be 2500W using a six-tower array. But >>> interference to a 720 station in either Greenland or Iceland forced a >>> power >>> reduction to 670W. The NH station was never built and Vinikoor ultimately >>> turned in the CP. But what made no sense to me was that the Greenland or >>> Iceland station would have received much more interference from CHTN when >>> it was operating than it ever would have gotten from the NH station, even >>> had it run the originally planned 2500W at night. >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg >>> e-fax 707-215-6367 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Larry Weil >>> To: Jibguy@aol.com >>> Cc: dan.strassberg@att.net ; dlh@donnahalper.com ; >>> aerie.ma@comcast.net; >>> boston-radio-interest@rolinin.**bostonradio.org >>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: WNAC 1200 >>> >>> >>> Until about 10 years ago there was a 720 on PEI, Canada. I think the >>> power was 10KW IIRC. >>> >>> Larry Weil >>> Lake Wobegone, NH >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Big freekin deal! >>> >>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> > According to my 1963 edition of "White's Radio Log" (which I've had >>> since I >>> > was 13 years old), there was only one station in the USA on 720 and >>> 1200; >>> > WGN and WOAI. Not even any daytimers on those freqs. >>> > >>> > ---BB >>> >>> >> > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 16:52:58 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:52:58 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> On 8/2/2012 3:40 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I > hate that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad > per se, as I am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are > and are not allowed to air these days. Two nights ago, during the > channel 4 news at 6pm, I saw a Karl Rove super-pac ad against > President Obama. Okay fine, there's tons of pro-Obama and anti-Obama > ads on the air. But what made this one worrisome to me is it featured > Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. It showed him reading a news report > about how bad the economy was, and then it moved into the ad's talking > points about how the economy was President Obama's fault. Talking > points aside, are PACs allowed to use the image and likeness of news > anchors in their political ads? Makes it seem as if the anchor > endorses or agrees with that message. I know the rules have changed, > but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as right-wing or > left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume Pelley did > not authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there any rules? Aren't newscasts the property of the network? Did they authorize the ad? Maybe they authorized the ad by implication by having a network-owned station run the ad. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:59:51 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:59:51 -0400 Subject: Howie stays at WRKO Message-ID: Entercom picked up the option. Oh boy.... http://www.wrko.com/wrko-picks-option-howie-carr From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 2 17:06:23 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:06:23 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: <20506.60367.823641.711642@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > WLS built their transmitter outside of Cook County not to pay taxes. No, they built their transmitter there because much of their audience was on skywave, and there was still a serious prospect then that some of the I-A clear-channel stations would be allowed to go to 500 or 750 kW. The old site wasn't in Cook County, either, and neither is Army Trail Road. I'm not sure whether it was NBC (WENR) or Prairie Farmer (WLS) who originally built the Tinley Park site. Both stations had previously shared a site in Downers Grove, and once Tinley Park was approved for one station, the other station quickly moved there as well. This map shows the old site in Downers Grove: -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 16:38:57 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:38:57 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> Message-ID: <501AE561.8030405@attorneyross.com> On 8/2/2012 9:33 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I'm pretty sure that WLW was the only station on 700 back then--unless > there > was a Class II station in Hawaii, and I don't think there was one. But > until > 1950, I don't think Hawaii was a state. Hawaii became a state in 1959. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 17:22:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:22:36 -0400 Subject: WNAC 1200 In-Reply-To: <20506.60367.823641.711642@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <12d0e.435c0be4.3d4bd105@aol.com> <20506.60367.823641.711642@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Garrett Scott wrote about Prairie Farmer avoiding Cook County for tax reasons in 2004. http://www.fybush.com/sites/2004/site-041015.html On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > WLS built their transmitter outside of Cook County not to pay taxes. > > No, they built their transmitter there because much of their audience > was on skywave, and there was still a serious prospect then that some > of the I-A clear-channel stations would be allowed to go to 500 or 750 > kW. The old site wasn't in Cook County, either, and neither is Army > Trail Road. > > I'm not sure whether it was NBC (WENR) or Prairie Farmer (WLS) who > originally built the Tinley Park site. Both stations had previously > shared a site in Downers Grove, and once Tinley Park was approved for > one station, the other station quickly moved there as well. > > This map shows the old site in Downers Grove: > < > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41.743056n+88.008333w&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.764446,45.263672&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&ll=41.743072,-88.008787&spn=0.002706,0.004807&t=h&z=18 > > > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 01:07:25 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:07:25 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: NBC ( or WHDH ) just ran the ad at 12:57 AM I have to assume CBS signed off on it - but is was strange seeing it on a NBC outlet. I have no clue on how the rules work anymore. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/2/2012 3:40 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I hate >> that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad per se, as I >> am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are and are not allowed >> to air these days. Two nights ago, during the channel 4 news at 6pm, I saw >> a Karl Rove super-pac ad against President Obama. Okay fine, there's tons >> of pro-Obama and anti-Obama ads on the air. But what made this one >> worrisome to me is it featured Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. It showed >> him reading a news report about how bad the economy was, and then it moved >> into the ad's talking points about how the economy was President Obama's >> fault. Talking points aside, are PACs allowed to use the image and >> likeness of news anchors in their political ads? Makes it seem as if the >> anchor endorses or agrees with that message. I know the rules have changed, >> but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as right-wing or >> left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume Pelley did not >> authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there any rules? >> > > Aren't newscasts the property of the network? Did they authorize the ad? > Maybe they authorized the ad by implication by having a network-owned > station run the ad. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Aug 3 01:19:01 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:19:01 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: This also happened back in January when the Romney campaign used a Tom Brokaw clip in an ad: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/28/nbc-asks-romney-camp-to-stop-airing-ad/ The Romney campaign claimed fair use. Later, they said they would consider pulling it. http://tv.yahoo.com/news/mitt-romney-may-pull-nbc-ad-featuring-tom-223500988.html I couldn't find out what happened after that, but the life of political ads is usually pretty short, so even if it disappeared, it may have been at the end its cycle anyways. -Bob From scott@fybush.com Fri Aug 3 01:23:47 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:23:47 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <501B6063.4010608@fybush.com> On 8/3/2012 1:07 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have no clue on how the rules work anymore. I think the operative theory is "better to ask for forgiveness later than permission first." By the time the network lawyers draft the C&D letter, the ad has accomplished its purpose anyway and may well be off the air. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 3 01:44:26 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:44:26 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> On 8/3/2012 1:07 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NBC ( or WHDH ) just ran the ad at 12:57 AM > > I have to assume CBS signed off on it - but is was strange seeing it > on a NBC outlet. > > I have no clue on how the rules work anymore. I wouldn't assume anything. But the heads of the networks probably favor the Republicans, and they may not want to object. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Aug 3 03:15:26 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:15:26 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> On 08/03/2012 01:44 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > I wouldn't assume anything. But the heads of the networks probably > favor the Republicans, and they may not want to object. > Political donation records suggest that this may not be true of NBC. Comcast's employee donations http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000461 show $200K to Obama; $20K to Romney. GE affiliates employee donations http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/affiliates.php?id=D000000125&type=P&cycle=A show that the three biggest-donating divisions of NBC gave 93%, 72%, and 85% of their donations to Democratic candidates. Also, GE CEO Jeff Immelt joined the President's Council of Economic Advisors in January. --RC From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Aug 3 03:08:57 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Globe: ESPN Radio on 850 Message-ID: <1343977737.43324.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> What has been suggested by many is true, Chad Finn writes today. http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2012/08/03/espn_radio_to_return_to_boston_market/ From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 04:17:55 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 04:17:55 -0400 Subject: Globe: ESPN Radio on 850 In-Reply-To: <1343977737.43324.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343977737.43324.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Obvious move - We don't know the breakdown with PPM on 93.7/850 but obviously Entercom does to split the signal. Let's face it in the billable market 850 no longer mattered. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > What has been suggested by many is true, Chad Finn writes today. > > > http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2012/08/03/espn_radio_to_return_to_boston_market/ > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Aug 3 07:13:33 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:13:33 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna: I found this from the July 12th edition of the New York Times written by John Harwood of CNBC. It appears to be a legal practice albeit a disturbing one. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/us/politics/political-memo-more-news-reports-show-up-in-campaign-ads-to-journalists-chagrin.html?_r=2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: TV political ad question > First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I hate > that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad per se, as > I am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are and are not > allowed to air these days. Two nights ago, during the channel 4 news at > 6pm, I saw a Karl Rove super-pac ad against President Obama. Okay fine, > there's tons of pro-Obama and anti-Obama ads on the air. But what made > this one worrisome to me is it featured Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. > It showed him reading a news report about how bad the economy was, and > then it moved into the ad's talking points about how the economy was > President Obama's fault. Talking points aside, are PACs allowed to use > the image and likeness of news anchors in their political ads? Makes it > seem as if the anchor endorses or agrees with that message. I know the > rules have changed, but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as > right-wing or left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume > Pelley did not authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there > any rules? > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 08:06:18 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:06:18 -0400 Subject: Globe: ESPN Radio on 850 In-Reply-To: References: <1343977737.43324.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This right after Howie gets re-upped for 2 years, or "the foreseeable future". Had he left they could have put ESPN on 680 (also word has it the new Tampa all-sports station will feature The Fabulous Sports Babe overnights, once heard middays on WEEI, and 98.5 could wind up with that as part of the CBS sports package and the Babe, displacing Fox Sports Radio's JT The Brick...possibly. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Obvious move - We don't know the breakdown with PPM on 93.7/850 but > obviously Entercom does to split the signal. > > Let's face it in the billable market 850 no longer mattered. > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> What has been suggested by many is true, Chad Finn writes today. >> >> >> http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2012/08/03/espn_radio_to_return_to_boston_market/ >> From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Aug 3 12:35:01 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:35:01 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: It was probably local, they (both sides) are targeting the swing states, of which NH is one. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NBC ( or WHDH ) just ran the ad at 12:57 AM > > I have to assume CBS signed off on it - but is was strange seeing it on a > NBC outlet. > > I have no clue on how the rules work anymore. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> On 8/2/2012 3:40 PM, Donna Halper wrote: >> >> First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I hate >>> that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad per se, as I >>> am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are and are not allowed >>> to air these days. Two nights ago, during the channel 4 news at 6pm, I saw >>> a Karl Rove super-pac ad against President Obama. Okay fine, there's tons >>> of pro-Obama and anti-Obama ads on the air. But what made this one >>> worrisome to me is it featured Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. It showed >>> him reading a news report about how bad the economy was, and then it moved >>> into the ad's talking points about how the economy was President Obama's >>> fault. Talking points aside, are PACs allowed to use the image and >>> likeness of news anchors in their political ads? Makes it seem as if the >>> anchor endorses or agrees with that message. I know the rules have changed, >>> but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as right-wing or >>> left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume Pelley did not >>> authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there any rules? >>> >> >> Aren't newscasts the property of the network? Did they authorize the ad? >> Maybe they authorized the ad by implication by having a network-owned >> station run the ad. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 3 13:08:22 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:08:22 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> On 8/3/2012 3:15 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > > Political donation records suggest that this may not be true of NBC. The head of GE may have joined the president's jobs council but Jeff Immelt is well known for being a registered Republican. And Comcast has long contributed mainly to Republicans. They may spread it around (Robert Kraft has donated to BOTH Republican and Democratic candidates) but that isn't quite the point. Most network executives (except at Fox) don't call the tune for what's on the air. That's why I was wondering what the rule is about using a famous anchor from the network news-- and I doubt Pelley approved of being in the ad, not because he is a leftie (he's not, by the way) but because most anchors hate to be used in political partisanship. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Aug 3 14:03:38 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:03:38 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> On 08/03/2012 01:08 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/3/2012 3:15 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> Political donation records suggest that this may not be true of NBC. > > The head of GE may have joined the president's jobs council but Jeff > Immelt is well known for being a registered Republican. And Comcast > has long contributed mainly to Republicans. They may spread it around > (Robert Kraft has donated to BOTH Republican and Democratic > candidates) but that isn't quite the point. Most network executives > (except at Fox) don't call the tune for what's on the air. It seems that NBC was another case, as Jeff Immelt's got a reputation for having called in CNBC staff and told them to go easy on Mr. Obama -- at least business reporter Charlie Gasparino says he did. I suppose he did so for the sake of GE's financial interests, but interference is interference, whether it's done for corporate financial reasons or ideological reasons. --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 3 15:50:56 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:50:56 -0400 Subject: baker rebroadcast References: <1344012945.43578.YahooMailClassic@web161506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A60804BCF5040CF82AE13C1A72BA1E7@SatU205S5044> After WWRV, the AM1330 in New York City, relocated from Staten Island to Hackensack many years ago, I had no more problems with nighttime reception of WRCA. Unlike WWRV's Staten Island pattern, which threw a huge lobe right at Boston, the Hackensack pattern is pretty deeply nulled in this direction. Also, when WRCA was operating from its old site on South St in Waltham, I lived only about six miles from your transmitter--well within WRCA's 25 mV/m contour. I figured that, despite your big power increase, the move to Sawmill Brook Parkway, which is about twice as far away as South St, was going to ruin the nighttime reception here, but I was pleasantly surprised. The signal wasn't as good as it had been from Waltham but it wasn't bad. Nevertheless, last week, for the first time since your move to Oak Hill, I heard some pretty bad interference. Whatever station it was (and I could not make out any clues to its identity) was duking it out with WRCA and it was just about even for a period of maybe 15 minutes at around 4:00AM. Then the interfering station faded significantly. WRCA delivers ~10 mV/m here at night and I believe its NIF contour is ~8 mV/m. The kind of interference I heard should, therefore, not have happened. I have to wonder whether the interfering station was using its daytime power/pattern at night or was otherwise operating outside of its normal parameters. Unfortunately, I do not have enough info to say that this was anything other than a freak atmospheric condisition and certainly not enough for you to contact the offending station, which I was not even able to identify. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bernard" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: baker rebroadcast Baker show re-runs tonight (Fri) at 9pm, and Sat 10pm on WRCA. Depending on where you live, the signal has interference at night, so you might want to listen to the clear audio on www.1330wrca.com. Cordially, Dave Bernard, WRCA From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 3 15:19:59 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:19:59 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> On 8/3/2012 2:03 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > > It seems that NBC was another case, as Jeff Immelt's got a reputation > for having called in CNBC staff and told them to go easy on Mr. Obama > -- at least business reporter Charlie Gasparino says he did. I > suppose he did so for the sake of GE's financial interests, but > interference is interference, whether it's done for corporate > financial reasons or ideological reasons. Umm, don't necessarily want to go here, but there is no credible evidence of this. CNBC has been very critical of Mr Obama, as they were at times with Mr Bush. The idea that CNBC goes easy on Mr Obama can be refuted by watching the network regularly (as my husband does). CNBC is very much a pro-business network with demonstrably right-wing leanings. That is their privilege, and while the Obama camp may indeed have objected to their coverage (presidents ALWAYS dislike certain coverage and send their press secretaries out to complain), there isn't much evidence that anything changed. Mr Gasparino has a dog in this fight-- he comes from Fox, which is not known for being objective. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 3 16:01:29 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:01:29 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20508.11801.965309.923186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > he comes from Fox, which is not known for being objective. I would just like to point out, for the record, that the notion of an objective press is a recent invention. In most other countries, the press is entirely partisan, and they consider that to be a good thing. In more developed countries, the national broadcaster is supposed to be independent and objective, as much to avoid stepping on anyone else's turf as from any particular devotion to the idea of objectivity. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Aug 3 15:37:08 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:37:08 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <501C2864.6090200@gabrielmass.com> On 08/03/2012 03:19 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/3/2012 2:03 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> It seems that NBC was another case, as Jeff Immelt's got a reputation >> for having called in CNBC staff and told them to go easy on Mr. Obama >> -- at least business reporter Charlie Gasparino says he did. I >> suppose he did so for the sake of GE's financial interests, but >> interference is interference, whether it's done for corporate >> financial reasons or ideological reasons. > > Umm, don't necessarily want to go here, but there is no credible > evidence of this. CNBC has been very critical of Mr Obama, as they > were at times with Mr Bush. The idea that CNBC goes easy on Mr Obama > can be refuted by watching the network regularly (as my husband > does). CNBC is very much a pro-business network with demonstrably > right-wing leanings. That is their privilege, and while the Obama > camp may indeed have objected to their coverage (presidents ALWAYS > dislike certain coverage and send their press secretaries out to > complain), there isn't much evidence that anything changed. Mr > Gasparino has a dog in this fight-- he comes from Fox, which is not > known for being objective. > He wrote his book after leaving CNBC, where he worked for years. --RC From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 16:07:29 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:07:29 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com><501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <53E4001ED4CF42C5AF7351DA4A98D648@s20035> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: TV political ad question > On 8/3/2012 2:03 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> It seems that NBC was another case, as Jeff Immelt's got a reputation for >> having called in CNBC staff and told them to go easy on Mr. Obama -- at >> least business reporter Charlie Gasparino says he did. I suppose he did >> so for the sake of GE's financial interests, but interference is >> interference, whether it's done for corporate financial reasons or >> ideological reasons. > > Umm, don't necessarily want to go here, but there is no credible evidence > of this. CNBC has been very critical of Mr Obama, as they were at times > with Mr Bush. The idea that CNBC goes easy on Mr Obama.... I thought we started this conversation about TV spoits/news anchors by saying we were going to stay away from politics. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 16:43:15 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:43:15 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <20508.11801.965309.923186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> <20508.11801.965309.923186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <501C37E3.1020105@gmail.com> On 8/3/2012 4:01 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I would just like to point out, for the record, that the notion of an > objective press is a recent invention.... Objectivity is in the eye of the beholder. Even a journalist who is known to be quite balanced can evidence a bias by the simple nature of the subjects and people booked by the journalist. The questions NOT posed can shed light on bias. The follow-up pattern to responses can be, likewise, revelatory. Bias is inherent in every individual regardless as to whether or not we intentionally set forth to propagate that point of view. It is the degree to which it skews the through-put or output of the story that is the thing. And the degree to which the consumer of the journalist's product recognizes bias is generally linked to the degree to which the consumer and the journalist are similarly mapped in terms of their meta-narrative. Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 3 17:06:19 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:06:19 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C37E3.1020105@gmail.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> <501C0586.80509@donnahalper.com> <501C127A.3000800@gabrielmass.com> <501C245F.6090908@donnahalper.com> <20508.11801.965309.923186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <501C37E3.1020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <501C3D4B.1040609@donnahalper.com> On 8/3/2012 4:43 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Objectivity is in the eye of the beholder. Even a journalist who is > known to be quite balanced can evidence a bias by the simple nature of > the subjects and people booked by the journalist. The questions NOT > posed can shed light on bias. The follow-up pattern to responses can > be, likewise, revelatory. True that. Even in the "good old days," the networks all relied on "official sources"-- usually from the government, and the reporters tended to be deferential to big business CEOs (the so-called "Captains of Industry"). The myth that the media spoke truth to power is a durable one, but not always accurate. I just reviewed a very interesting media history text called "Mightier than the Sword" (3rd edition) by Rodger Streitmatter, and while I don't agree with every conclusion he makes, he shows very eloquently that throughout history, the mainstream press were sometimes on the "wrong side" of issues (defending segregation or praising the KKK for example or promoted the views of their owner (in the era of "yellow journalism," when Hearst wanted a war, his newspapers made sure that they advocated for ... and got... a war). How a story is reported is not always about liberal or conservative bias. It's often about assumptions-- I know first-hand how the women's movement was misrepresented as a bunch of man-hating bra-burners (oh and supposedly, we were all lesbians, which will come as a shock to my husband, to whom I've been married for 25 years). But I was there and believe me, no bras were burned (another durable myth); in fact, most of the people I demonstrated with cared more about equal pay and equal opportunity than about hating anyone -- what we hated was being paid less or being talked to like we were five years old. Yet that was not how the older guys in the media reported on the story, all the while claiming to be objective. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Aug 3 19:31:44 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 19:31:44 -0400 Subject: Mundo Fox Message-ID: <501C5F60.1030607@gabrielmass.com> Promos for the new Mundo Fox network have started to appear, with a launch date of Monday 8/13 12 a.m. --RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Aug 3 20:28:47 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:28:47 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <501C6CBF.3010100@gabrielmass.com> Come to think of it: is using TV news clips in a political ad qualitatively different from using newspaper clippings and quotations in an ad? That seems to be a pretty routine technique. --RC From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Aug 3 21:18:46 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TV political ad question Message-ID: <1344043126.83743.androidMobile@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Much different, IMO. In that example, the names of the headline writer(s) or reporter aren't being trotted out for use as a virtual endorsement. ------ Sent from my mobile phone. From mward@iname.com Fri Aug 3 22:24:09 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:24:09 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <1344043126.83743.androidMobile@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344043126.83743.androidMobile@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the case of the Scott Pelley ad, the clip is from the beginning of the show right after the opening animation, and he even says "Good evening". Though the video is not full screen, some may be fooled that the entire spot is a news story anchored by CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Much different, IMO. In that example, the names of the headline writer(s) > or reporter aren't being trotted out for use as a virtual endorsement. > > ------ > Sent from my mobile phone. > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 3 23:24:04 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:24:04 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501C6CBF.3010100@gabrielmass.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501C6CBF.3010100@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20508.38356.512969.536518@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Come to think of it: is using TV news clips in a political ad > qualitatively different from using newspaper clippings and quotations in > an ad? Yes, because the newspaper bits are often attributed only to the newspaper (if even that) and not to the individual writer. What writers you do see quoted by name tend to be opinion columnists and editorialists, rather than straight news reporters. And of course, newspaper headlines are written by (uncredited) copyeditors and not by reporters. Television anchors and reporters rarely make a business of editorializing on the air. To the extent they do, what they say (although not necessarily their image) ought to be as much fair game as any other opinionated bloviator. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Aug 4 00:41:47 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:41:47 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question In-Reply-To: <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> <501B653A.5090607@attorneyross.com> <501B7A8E.4020205@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <501CA80B.2030309@attorneyross.com> On 8/3/2012 3:15 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > On 08/03/2012 01:44 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: >> >> I wouldn't assume anything. But the heads of the networks probably >> favor the Republicans, and they may not want to object. >> > > Political donation records suggest that this may not be true of NBC. Well, NBC has CNBC, which is conservative and business oriented and MSNBC, which is liberal. So I guess they have to play both sides. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sat Aug 4 07:53:37 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: TV political ad question References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com><501AE8AA.9020608@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: The same is running often here in North Carolina (Swing State). I see this is as sad because much of the electorate believes, "If it's on TV it must be true." I understand this was a Carl Rove idea for this election. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:35 PM Subject: Re: TV political ad question > It was probably local, they (both sides) are targeting the swing states, > of which NH is one. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > Sent from my iPhone > Big freekin deal! > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> NBC ( or WHDH ) just ran the ad at 12:57 AM >> >> I have to assume CBS signed off on it - but is was strange seeing it on a >> NBC outlet. >> >> I have no clue on how the rules work anymore. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM, A. Joseph Ross >> wrote: >> >>> On 8/2/2012 3:40 PM, Donna Halper wrote: >>> >>> First, I hope we don't veer off into an "I agree with the ad" or "I >>> hate >>>> that ad" conversation. I am not so much concerned with the ad per se, >>>> as I >>>> am concerned with what stations (both TV and radio) are and are not >>>> allowed >>>> to air these days. Two nights ago, during the channel 4 news at 6pm, I >>>> saw >>>> a Karl Rove super-pac ad against President Obama. Okay fine, there's >>>> tons >>>> of pro-Obama and anti-Obama ads on the air. But what made this one >>>> worrisome to me is it featured Scott Pelley, CBS evening anchor. It >>>> showed >>>> him reading a news report about how bad the economy was, and then it >>>> moved >>>> into the ad's talking points about how the economy was President >>>> Obama's >>>> fault. Talking points aside, are PACs allowed to use the image and >>>> likeness of news anchors in their political ads? Makes it seem as if >>>> the >>>> anchor endorses or agrees with that message. I know the rules have >>>> changed, >>>> but how much can a news anchor (be they perceived as right-wing or >>>> left-wing or neutral) be used in a political ad? I assume Pelley did >>>> not >>>> authorize the use of his newscast in the ad, but are there any rules? >>>> >>> >>> Aren't newscasts the property of the network? Did they authorize the >>> ad? >>> Maybe they authorized the ad by implication by having a network-owned >>> station run the ad. >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >>> 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >>> > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 4 15:54:45 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:54:45 -0400 Subject: never heard this before In-Reply-To: <20508.38356.512969.536518@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501C6CBF.3010100@gabrielmass.com> <20508.38356.512969.536518@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <501D7E05.9070302@donnahalper.com> It may be happening a lot, but it's the first time I can recall it: I was just listening to Kiss 108 a few minutes ago, and on came a promotion for the new Harbor 101.7. Okay fine, nothing new there-- stations in the same group have been cross-promoting for ages, but usually with two different formats: I recall WBZ (mostly news) promoting the Sports Hub, for example. But here's what puzzled me: the Harbor promo that was running on Kiss said that since the new station is having a "commercial free summer," you should come over to the Harbor and listen. This was said during a Kiss commercial cluster. The promo also said you could always come back to Kiss 108 later. Wow, cue the sound of old-school PDs spinning in their graves. Didn't the promo just encourage listening less to one station and more to the other? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 4 16:53:12 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:53:12 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) Message-ID: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Maybe I have less strict security settings in IE (8) than I have in the other two browsers. I don't understand the detailed warning. Seems to contradict itself. Seems to say that there have been no reports of malware being downloaded from the R-I site but the site has installed unwanted intrusive software on several users' machines without the users' permission. Maybe I'm not smart enough to distinguish between intrusive software and malware. Also, what I wrote above is not an exact quote, so maybe my problem is not undertanding the wording. It would be nice if this problem were cleared up. I first got the warning this morning. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 16:57:09 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:57:09 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I got the warning from Chrome yesterday but my malware detection software senses nothing wrong On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Maybe I have less strict security settings in IE (8) than I have in the > other two browsers. I don't understand the detailed warning. Seems to > contradict itself. Seems to say that there have been no reports of malware > being downloaded from the R-I site but the site has installed unwanted > intrusive software on several users' machines without the users' > permission. > Maybe I'm not smart enough to distinguish between intrusive software and > malware. Also, what I wrote above is not an exact quote, so maybe my > problem > is not undertanding the wording. It would be nice if this problem were > cleared up. I first got the warning this morning. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 16:59:43 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:59:43 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I got the same warning yesterday using Firefox and so has everyone else I've talked to. Paul On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I got the warning from Chrome yesterday but my malware detection software > senses nothing wrong > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dan.Strassberg >wrote: > > > Maybe I have less strict security settings in IE (8) than I have in the > > other two browsers. I don't understand the detailed warning. Seems to > > contradict itself. Seems to say that there have been no reports of > malware > > being downloaded from the R-I site but the site has installed unwanted > > intrusive software on several users' machines without the users' > > permission. > > Maybe I'm not smart enough to distinguish between intrusive software and > > malware. Also, what I wrote above is not an exact quote, so maybe my > > problem > > is not undertanding the wording. It would be nice if this problem were > > cleared up. I first got the warning this morning. > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > From mward@iname.com Sat Aug 4 17:07:48 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:07:48 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: For what it's worth, Chrome is also complaining for me. It appears that it's flagging ads.radio-info.com, as I got the same warning in Gmail when trying to read Tom Taylor's E-mail column... On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > I got the same warning yesterday using Firefox and so has everyone else > I've talked to. > > Paul > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > I got the warning from Chrome yesterday but my malware detection software > > senses nothing wrong > > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dan.Strassberg > >wrote: > > > > > Maybe I have less strict security settings in IE (8) than I have in the > > > other two browsers. I don't understand the detailed warning. Seems to > > > contradict itself. Seems to say that there have been no reports of > > malware > > > being downloaded from the R-I site but the site has installed unwanted > > > intrusive software on several users' machines without the users' > > > permission. > > > Maybe I'm not smart enough to distinguish between intrusive software > and > > > malware. Also, what I wrote above is not an exact quote, so maybe my > > > problem > > > is not undertanding the wording. It would be nice if this problem were > > > cleared up. I first got the warning this morning. > > > > > > ----- > > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:08:36 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:08:36 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: And this only started happening after the sale of the site was announced. Paul On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Mike Ward wrote: > For what it's worth, Chrome is also complaining for me. It appears that > it's flagging ads.radio-info.com, as I got the same warning in Gmail when > trying to read Tom Taylor's E-mail column... > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I got the same warning yesterday using Firefox and so has everyone else >> I've talked to. >> >> Paul >> >> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> > I got the warning from Chrome yesterday but my malware detection >> software >> > senses nothing wrong >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Dan.Strassberg > > >wrote: >> > >> > > Maybe I have less strict security settings in IE (8) than I have in >> the >> > > other two browsers. I don't understand the detailed warning. Seems to >> > > contradict itself. Seems to say that there have been no reports of >> > malware >> > > being downloaded from the R-I site but the site has installed unwanted >> > > intrusive software on several users' machines without the users' >> > > permission. >> > > Maybe I'm not smart enough to distinguish between intrusive software >> and >> > > malware. Also, what I wrote above is not an exact quote, so maybe my >> > > problem >> > > is not undertanding the wording. It would be nice if this problem were >> > > cleared up. I first got the warning this morning. >> > > >> > > ----- >> > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:25:48 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:25:48 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I've been banned form Radio Info more times then i can count in the last decade, so I only read it.. i can't/don't post anymore.... Paul On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/4/2012 5:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> And this only started happening after the sale of the site was announced. >> >> > I'm an old friend of Tom Taylor and I wonder what's up with his site-- I > just sent a message to him to ask. > From mward@iname.com Sat Aug 4 17:35:12 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:35:12 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Me, as well...dropped him a note late Friday. I can hope he'll have a positive announcement on Monday morning. I think AllAccess said he'd do TRI into the coming week at least. On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/4/2012 5:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> And this only started happening after the sale of the site was announced. >> >> > I'm an old friend of Tom Taylor and I wonder what's up with his site-- I > just sent a message to him to ask. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 4 17:22:13 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:22:13 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> On 8/4/2012 5:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > And this only started happening after the sale of the site was announced. > I'm an old friend of Tom Taylor and I wonder what's up with his site-- I just sent a message to him to ask. From irw@well.com Sat Aug 4 16:57:43 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1192032605.1289.1344113863255.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> I received that last night in Google Chrome. I'm using Windows 7. - Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 4:53:12 PM Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) > I first got the warning this morning. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Aug 4 19:07:12 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:07:12 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) Message-ID: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> If you haven't heard (prob have by now), the Flemings sold out to Talkers magazine (Michael Harrison etc.) Feder's Chicago radio column has details. For me I have gotten that malware warning page in both Firefox and Google Chrome. The Talkers management should be taking over in the next couple weeks I think ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper Sent: 08/04/12 05:22 PM To: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: Re: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) On 8/4/2012 5:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > And this only started happening after the sale of the site was announced. > I'm an old friend of Tom Taylor and I wonder what's up with his site-- I just sent a message to him to ask. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 4 19:39:24 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:39:24 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> References: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> Message-ID: <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> On 8/4/2012 7:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > If you haven't heard (prob have by now), the Flemings sold out to > Talkers magazine (Michael Harrison etc.) And I go back about 35 years with Mike Harrison too. He's the guy who is said to have created the term "AOR" (album-oriented-rock) back when he was an editor at the late, lamented Radio & Records. Talkers is known to slant right-wing, so it will be interesting to see how that affects Radio-Info, which is generally pretty neutral. From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Aug 5 04:42:05 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 04:42:05 -0400 Subject: Stay away Radio Info Message-ID: <20CA3C8F2A3F48F5AD1DBE73D0447A3F@chrisHP> Stay away from Radio Info for time being, it has hijacked my computer and will not allow me to run Ad Aware, If I were King of the world anyone caught installing Viruses on another persons computer would get the death penalty in the most painful way possible. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 08:15:43 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:15:43 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> References: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: The error message/.warning etc seems to be gone but still be careful everyone From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 5 12:21:58 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefoxand Chrome (but not in IE) References: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <55C6134901EC43CDA9ADC5050E026944@SatU205S5044> I can't remember a time when R-I.com did NOT have a right-wing slant. If you haven't noticed the right-wing slant recently, it may be because the R-I moderators have scared away or banned everyone who posts political comments that don't mimic those of the right wing. You don't have to be a rightie to post at R-I.com; it's just that, if you aren't a rightie, you need to avoid posting political comments there. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefoxand Chrome (but not in IE) > On 8/4/2012 7:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> If you haven't heard (prob have by now), the Flemings sold out to Talkers >> magazine (Michael Harrison etc.) > > And I go back about 35 years with Mike Harrison too. He's the guy who is > said to have created the term "AOR" (album-oriented-rock) back when he was > an editor at the late, lamented Radio & Records. Talkers is known to > slant right-wing, so it will be interesting to see how that affects > Radio-Info, which is generally pretty neutral. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Aug 5 11:38:57 2012 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:38:57 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> References: <5D63A02A3ACA43AB8565868AAFCC267F@SatU205S5044> <501D9285.50802@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <501E9391.5090209@cssinc.com> I got a similar message a few weeks ago from smoothjazz.com. It gave me the same symptom of Chrome catching it before the malware program knew what was going on. It WAS infected. Stay away until it clears. Brian On 8/4/2012 5:22 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/4/2012 5:08 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> And this only started happening after the sale of the site was >> announced. > I'm an old friend of Tom Taylor and I wonder what's up with his site-- > I just sent a message to him to ask. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 5 11:53:33 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:53:33 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: References: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <0A286AF4-0B68-44B2-9D50-044D98B0ABAB@mac.com> Did anyone using a Mac have problems or was this strictly a Windows problem? I use Firefox on my Mac but have been away from home all week so I have nothing to report myself. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > The error message/.warning etc seems to be gone but still be careful everyone From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Aug 5 18:06:38 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: never heard this before In-Reply-To: <501D7E05.9070302@donnahalper.com> References: <501AD7A6.2010406@donnahalper.com> <501C6CBF.3010100@gabrielmass.com> <20508.38356.512969.536518@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <501D7E05.9070302@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1344204398.67947.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Donna wrote: << It may be happening a lot, but it's the first time I can recall it:? I was just listening to Kiss 108 a few minutes ago, and on came a promotion for the new Harbor 101.7.? Okay fine, nothing new there-- stations in the same group have been cross-promoting for ages, but usually with two different formats:? I recall WBZ (mostly news) promoting the Sports Hub, for example.? But here's what puzzled me:? the Harbor promo that was running on Kiss said that since the new station is having a "commercial free summer," you should come over to the Harbor and listen.? This was said during a Kiss commercial cluster.? The promo also said you could always come back to Kiss 108 later.? Wow, cue the sound of old-school PDs spinning in their graves.? Didn't the promo just encourage listening less to one station and more to the other? >> I heard one of these promos a week or two ago, voiced over by Matty of all people. From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Aug 5 20:11:30 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:11:30 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info.com produces and "attack-page" warning in Firefox and Chrome (but not in IE) In-Reply-To: <0A286AF4-0B68-44B2-9D50-044D98B0ABAB@mac.com> References: <20120804230712.80540@gmx.com> <501DB2AC.1060204@donnahalper.com> <0A286AF4-0B68-44B2-9D50-044D98B0ABAB@mac.com> Message-ID: <14D1831F-3BB8-4CED-9D81-20BBBEC44DF1@charter.net> On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > Did anyone using a Mac have problems or was this strictly a Windows problem? I use Firefox on my Mac but have been away from home all week so I have nothing to report myself. I got it on my Mac running Firefox. Paul From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 07:10:31 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:10:31 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign Message-ID: Fybush's column says Langer wants WFNX for his CP of an 1120 in Coral Gables, FL (speculation on messageboards ranges from "who in the world wants to put an AM on these days?" to "probably brokered time".)....Parking...? From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 08:50:25 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:50:25 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign References: Message-ID: <7EE1278FD13C4D668D92FCA4063B517A@SatU205S5044> That should be Coral SPRINGS FL. Coral Gables and Coral Springs are both in the Miami market but Langer's 1120 station will be second adjacent to one of Miami's 50-kW (5 kW-N) AMs, WQBA on 1140. The 1120 station will be directional to the north by day from a site that is, apparently, northwest of Miami. I don't know much about the Miami metro, but I imagine that there is some ethnic group that is clustered north of Coral Springs and Langer's station will be targeting it. Based on the 1140 call-sign, I doubt that the new WFNX will target Cubans, though. Maybe a different Hispanic group. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign > Fybush's column says Langer wants WFNX for his CP of an 1120 in Coral > Gables, FL (speculation on messageboards ranges from > "who in the world wants to put an AM on these days?" to "probably > brokered time".)....Parking...? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 10:35:31 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:35:31 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign In-Reply-To: <7EE1278FD13C4D668D92FCA4063B517A@SatU205S5044> References: <7EE1278FD13C4D668D92FCA4063B517A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I may have mistyped and put Gables in. I had read it was Springs. What happened was I went to radio-locator's page for Coral Springs and saw some stations listed to Coral Gables and may have typed that instead. Thanks for the further info. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > That should be Coral SPRINGS FL. Coral Gables and Coral Springs are both in > the Miami market but Langer's 1120 station will be second adjacent to one of > Miami's 50-kW (5 kW-N) AMs, WQBA on 1140. The 1120 station will be > directional to the north by day from a site that is, apparently, northwest > of Miami. I don't know much about the Miami metro, but I imagine that there > is some ethnic group that is clustered north of Coral Springs and Langer's > station will be targeting it. Based on the 1140 call-sign, I doubt that the > new WFNX will target Cubans, though. Maybe a different Hispanic group. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: Alex Langer grabs WFNX call sign > > > >> Fybush's column says Langer wants WFNX for his CP of an 1120 in Coral >> Gables, FL (speculation on messageboards ranges from >> "who in the world wants to put an AM on these days?" to "probably >> brokered time".)....Parking...? > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 10:38:08 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:38:08 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? Message-ID: Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their facebook that a "major programming announcement" will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. This could be anything from Howie to mornings, to sister station WEEI 850 going all ESPN (so why the big deal on announcing it on 680?), to liberal talk shows added (Schulz?) to who knows what. Howie back for 2 more years? We KNOW that already, so I doubt it's that. It could be anything, possibly something minor. Way to get people tuned in. Also Mark S. of Boston Radio Watch hints Blackstrap may be bringing new programming to 1510 and a deal and announcement may come today, who knows. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 10:46:27 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:46:27 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their > facebook that a "major programming announcement" > will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 10:53:21 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:53:21 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? References: Message-ID: <2AE4050743904057B79615F7639DB86A@SatU205S5044> Blackstrap has already brought back Brother Stair (not sure of the hours--maybe midnight to 4:00AM M-F). Also, in addition to Stair, there may be another preacher on 1510 overnights; I'm half asleep when I turn on the radio at those hours. I think Santos is now on only in PM drive, but again, I'm not sure. Wasn't his 8-10:00AM program mostly (or maybe even 100%) reruns? On weekends, the new-age talk (or whatever you'd call it--fortune-tellers, etc) appears to have survived all of the blood-letting at 1510. Mostly, it's Yahoo! Sports. A pretty sorry lineup BUT I suspect more profitable for the station ownership than it was before the above changes. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: doings at 680, 1510? > Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their > facebook that a "major programming announcement" > will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. This could > be anything from Howie to mornings, to sister station > WEEI 850 going all ESPN (so why the big deal on announcing it on > 680?), to liberal talk shows added (Schulz?) to who knows what. Howie > back for 2 more years? We KNOW > that already, so I doubt it's that. It could be anything, possibly > something minor. Way to get people tuned in. > > Also Mark S. of Boston Radio Watch hints Blackstrap may be bringing > new programming to 1510 and a deal and announcement > may come today, who knows. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 10:58:39 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:58:39 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? References: Message-ID: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> Although it is no longer news, has WRKO "officially" announced Carr's contract extension over the air? If no, that would seem to be the most likely announcement. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson > wrote: >> Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their >> facebook that a "major programming announcement" >> will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:16:43 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:16:43 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: They've spread the word to papers, Web, etc....many people know including Howie's listeners, as I guess he talked about it, listeners made comments, etc. Saying a "major programming announcement" is simply a rehash of what we already know doesn't seem likely. And Mark from BRW is hearing "lineup shakeup"...If it's simply "Howie is with us for two more years" that would be pretty anti-climactic. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Although it is no longer news, has WRKO "officially" announced Carr's > contract extension over the air? If no, that would seem to be the most > likely announcement. > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > > > >> The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson >> wrote: >>> >>> Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their >>> facebook that a "major programming announcement" >>> will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. > > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 13:48:58 2012 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:48:58 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air Message-ID: <5020038A.1060904@Gmail.com> First noticed yesterday morning (didn?t decode, just noted a signal on RF-Ch.45 that wasn?t there before, and was too strong and consistent to be the ME or CT stations listed) and confirmed this morning by a call to the station, WCEA-DT??formerly analog Ch.19, briefly 3, then 58??reportedly fired up on Friday and is IDing as Ch.58, transmitting from 'The Hancock. ~Kaimbridge~ -- -- -- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 14:55:51 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:55:51 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air References: <5020038A.1060904@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D8F50E271184BBCA872DDCDB9C8E4D7@SatU205S5044> So what are they broadcasting? Does it pay to re-scan so I get RF-45? (I re-scan so seldom, I have to find the instructions in the manual each time I want to re-scan--a chore, because first I have to find the manual ;>) If it's all info-mercials, the answer is that re-scanning is NOT called for. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: [B-R-I] WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air > First noticed yesterday morning (didn?t decode, just noted a signal on > RF-Ch.45 that wasn?t there before, and was too strong and consistent to be > the ME or CT stations listed) and confirmed this morning by a call to the > station, WCEA-DT??formerly analog Ch.19, briefly 3, then 58??reportedly > fired up on Friday and is IDing as Ch.58, transmitting from 'The Hancock. > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > -- -- -- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From kenwvt@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 15:07:14 2012 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:07:14 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air In-Reply-To: <8D8F50E271184BBCA872DDCDB9C8E4D7@SatU205S5044> References: <5020038A.1060904@Gmail.com> <8D8F50E271184BBCA872DDCDB9C8E4D7@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: >From wikipedia: *"WCEA-LP*, channel 58, is a Spanish language low-power television station serving the Boston market" -Ken On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > So what are they broadcasting? Does it pay to re-scan so I get RF-45? (I > re-scan so seldom, I have to find the instructions in the manual each time > I > want to re-scan--a chore, because first I have to find the manual ;>) If > it's all info-mercials, the answer is that re-scanning is NOT called for. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" < > Kaimbridge@gmail.com> > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:48 PM > Subject: [B-R-I] WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air > > > First noticed yesterday morning (didn?t decode, just noted a signal on >> RF-Ch.45 that wasn?t there before, and was too strong and consistent to be >> the ME or CT stations listed) and confirmed this morning by a call to the >> station, WCEA-DT??formerly analog Ch.19, briefly 3, then 58??reportedly >> fired up on Friday and is IDing as Ch.58, transmitting from 'The Hancock. >> >> ~Kaimbridge~ >> >> -- -- -- >> Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Kaimbridge >> >> ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 15:21:03 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:21:03 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> How's this for a guess: Entercom is going to announce that it will simulcast Carr's program on 97.7? I think the signal at Carr's house in Wellesley would probably be OK. If they did such a thing, do you think they could get Carr to agree to stop bad-mouthing the company, its management, and its broadcast properties? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > They've spread the word to papers, Web, etc....many people know > including Howie's listeners, as I guess he talked about it, listeners > made comments, etc. Saying a "major programming announcement" is > simply a rehash of what we already know doesn't seem likely. > > And Mark from BRW is hearing "lineup shakeup"...If it's simply "Howie > is with us for > two more years" that would be pretty anti-climactic. > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: >> Although it is no longer news, has WRKO "officially" announced Carr's >> contract extension over the air? If no, that would seem to be the most >> likely announcement. >> >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Boston Radio Group" >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? >> >> >> >>> The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their >>>> facebook that a "major programming announcement" >>>> will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. >> >> From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Aug 6 15:29:03 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:29:03 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> Maybe on an HD-subchannel? Howie would keep the snark going for that: being on FM but audible by the tiny audience of HD radio owners? It reminds me of a radio host down south who regularly thanks the "one HD listener that we know of" for tuning in. :-) --RC On 08/06/2012 03:21 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > How's this for a guess: Entercom is going to announce that it will > simulcast > Carr's program on 97.7? I think the signal at Carr's house in Wellesley > would probably be OK. If they did such a thing, do you think they > could get > Carr to agree to stop bad-mouthing the company, its management, and its > broadcast properties? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > > >> They've spread the word to papers, Web, etc....many people know >> including Howie's listeners, as I guess he talked about it, listeners >> made comments, etc. Saying a "major programming announcement" is >> simply a rehash of what we already know doesn't seem likely. >> >> And Mark from BRW is hearing "lineup shakeup"...If it's simply "Howie >> is with us for >> two more years" that would be pretty anti-climactic. >> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Dan.Strassberg >> wrote: >>> Although it is no longer news, has WRKO "officially" announced Carr's >>> contract extension over the air? If no, that would seem to be the most >>> likely announcement. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >>> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >>> >>> To: "Boston Radio Group" >>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? >>> >>> >>> >>>> The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their >>>>> facebook that a "major programming announcement" >>>>> will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. >>> >>> > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 16:22:27 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:22:27 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Here's the news: Rush Limbaugh and Coast to Coast are back. Talk 1200 is apparently changing format (sports? who knows). Michele & Todd in morning. Financial Exchange. 11 am, Jeff Kuhner. Rush (no, not Donna Halper's beloved rock band of same name). Then Howie. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Maybe on an HD-subchannel? Howie would keep the snark going for that: > being on FM but audible by the tiny audience of HD radio owners? > > It reminds me of a radio host down south who regularly thanks the "one HD > listener that we know of" for tuning in. :-) > > --RC > > > > On 08/06/2012 03:21 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >> How's this for a guess: Entercom is going to announce that it will >> simulcast >> Carr's program on 97.7? I think the signal at Carr's house in Wellesley >> would probably be OK. If they did such a thing, do you think they could >> get >> Carr to agree to stop bad-mouthing the company, its management, and its >> broadcast properties? >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" >> Cc: "Boston Radio Group" >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:16 AM >> Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? >> >> >>> They've spread the word to papers, Web, etc....many people know >>> including Howie's listeners, as I guess he talked about it, listeners >>> made comments, etc. Saying a "major programming announcement" is >>> simply a rehash of what we already know doesn't seem likely. >>> >>> And Mark from BRW is hearing "lineup shakeup"...If it's simply "Howie >>> is with us for >>> two more years" that would be pretty anti-climactic. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Dan.Strassberg >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Although it is no longer news, has WRKO "officially" announced Carr's >>>> contract extension over the air? If no, that would seem to be the most >>>> likely announcement. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >>>> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >>>> To: "Boston Radio Group" >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 10:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> The word is "WRKO lineup related" (shakeup) from Mark. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bob Nelson >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Breaking news at about the same time: first WRKO mentions on their >>>>>> facebook that a "major programming announcement" >>>>>> will take place today at 4 pm during the Howie Carr show. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 16:28:13 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:28:13 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO Message-ID: Effective August 21 (that's what Carr said). I wonder whether he might have meant August 20; the 20th is a Monday. So what's going to happen at 1200? Spanish or progressive talk? Clear Channel still has a handful of progressive talkers. The three I can think of are in Los Angeles, Denver, and Detroit, but there are others. In San Francisco, CCU has a station that mixes progressive and right-wing talk. Once upon a time, that would not have raised any eyebrows, but it's extremely unusual in 2012 and has been for at least a decade. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 16:45:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:45:01 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Keep in mind all the former 1510 shows that are in limbo - Shultz said he would be back in Boston before the conventions start. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Effective August 21 (that's what Carr said). I wonder whether he might have > meant August 20; the 20th is a Monday. > > So what's going to happen at 1200? Spanish or progressive talk? Clear > Channel still has a handful of progressive talkers. The three I can think > of > are in Los Angeles, Denver, and Detroit, but there are others. In San > Francisco, CCU has a station that mixes progressive and right-wing talk. > Once upon a time, that would not have raised any eyebrows, but it's > extremely unusual in 2012 and has been for at least a decade. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 16:47:14 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:47:14 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1200 could be possible, who knows. In addition to the chains mentioned btw Entercom also does at least one prog talker, the 1520 in Buffalo, but the 950 conserv. talker there may do better. But we're talking CC here. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Keep in mind all the former 1510 shows that are in limbo - Shultz said he > would be back in Boston before the conventions start. From scott@fybush.com Mon Aug 6 16:56:33 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:56:33 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d35548ed82136d14b4c0f2b994b7265.squirrel@webmail.fybush.com> > 1200 could be possible, who knows. > > In addition to the chains mentioned btw Entercom also does at least > one prog talker, > the 1520 in Buffalo, but the 950 conserv. talker there may do better. > But we're talking > CC here. > 1520 is a throwaway flanker to protect WBEN (930, not 950) from any powerful AM competition. It could be running a test tone for all Entercom cares - they just don't want anyone else to use it against WBEN, that's all. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Aug 6 17:57:53 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:57:53 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Talk 1200 is apparently changing format (sports? who knows). Hmmm. Both Jeff Katz and Jay Severin are gone from the Talk1200 website. -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 17:45:09 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:45:09 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO References: Message-ID: No 950 in Buffalo--there's a 930 and a 970. Rochester has a 950. You can probably hear the Buffalo 930 in Rochester if you have a decent radio, but for all practical purposes, you can't hear the Buffalo 970 in Rochester or the Rochester 950 in Buffalo. The one station in western NY that I'm pretty sure runs progressive talk is 1520 in Buffalo (WWKB). I think Entercom owns it. Even though it's 50 kW-U with half-wave towers and is directional toward the east day and night, I don't think it comes in particularly well in Rochester; the good conductivity in that part of New York state can't really overcome the high dial position. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Limbaugh returns to WRKO > 1200 could be possible, who knows. > > In addition to the chains mentioned btw Entercom also does at least > one prog talker, > the 1520 in Buffalo, but the 950 conserv. talker there may do better. > But we're talking > CC here. > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Keep in mind all the former 1510 shows that are in limbo - Shultz said he >> would be back in Boston before the conventions start. From cohasset@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 6 20:37:57 2012 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:37:57 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E6054CA-B5C8-4B4C-9348-EC575DAE7F84@frontiernet.net> That's an interesting comment about reception of 1520 in Rochester. When I lived in Auburn (40 miles ESE of Rochester) decades ago, WKBW 1520 was one of the few decent nighttime signals I could reliably receive on my clock radio or Hallicrafters S-76 -- albeit with noticeable selective fade many evenings. Perhaps the ground wave and the sky wave amplitudes were such as to maximally interfere with each other over Rochester. Except during periods of extremely low solar flux (equivalent to zero sunspots), I doubt there would be a skip zone on 1520. Bud Hippisley On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The one station in western NY that I'm pretty > sure runs progressive talk is 1520 in Buffalo (WWKB)....Even though it's 50 > kW-U with half-wave towers and is directional toward > the east day and night, I don't think it comes in particularly well in > Rochester; the good conductivity in that part of New York state can't really > overcome the high dial position. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Aug 7 00:56:49 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:56:49 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: I guess I will answer my own question. From the talkers.com website: *Major Programming Changes at Clear Channel?s WXKS, Boston.* *Clear Channel * Boston?s *Joe Mazzei* tells *TALKERS* *Premiere Networks*? ?America Now? with*Andy Dean* is the AM drive show and *Sean Hannity* airs live from 3:00 pm to 6:00 pm displacing *Jeff Katz* and *Jay Severin*, respectively. Mazzei says, ?Unfortunately, these are never easy decisions to make. We appreciate their commitment and service to the station/company over the years, and we wish them all the best.? No word yet on the status of program director *Paula O?Connor*. Talk 1200 has had trouble getting ratings traction, even with Limbaugh anchoring the station, and has not garnered more than a 1-share in its incarnation as a news/talk station. Clear Channel may be cutting its losses and eliminating salaries and going with an automated station in light of the challenging talk radio market in Boston. There's also the whole story about WRKO on the same page: http://www.talkers.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 7 01:56:06 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:56:06 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> On 8/7/2012 12:56 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > I guess I will answer my own question. From the talkers.com website: > > *Major Programming Changes at Clear Channel?s WXKS, Boston.* *Clear Channel > * Boston?s *Joe Mazzei* tells *TALKERS* *Premiere Networks*? ?America Now? > with*Andy Dean* is the AM drive show and *Sean Hannity* airs live from 3:00 > pm to 6:00 pm > Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and over, on station after station. No offense to my conservative friends (and yes I do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple of high-profile leftie talkers be heard? I know Clear Channel's ownership is extremely (severely?) conservative, and the Mays family was well-known for its support of the Bush administration, but seriously, it's good radio to have some different points of view, and the myth that nobody listens to leftie talkers has been disproven in a number of markets. Ed Schultz is on the air at several otherwise all-conservative stations, and somehow the republic hasn't fallen. Hannity (to cite one example) does great on his TV show, but his radio show has gotten very poor numbers in numerous markets; and yet, he keeps getting added to new markets. I just don't get it. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Aug 7 01:37:56 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:37:56 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5020A9B4.50008@attorneyross.com> On 8/6/2012 4:28 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > So what's going to happen at 1200? Spanish or progressive talk? Clear > Channel still has a handful of progressive talkers. The three I can > think of > are in Los Angeles, Denver, and Detroit, but there are others. In San > Francisco, CCU has a station that mixes progressive and right-wing talk. > Once upon a time, that would not have raised any eyebrows, but it's > extremely unusual in 2012 and has been for at least a decade. Wasn't WHMP doing that just a few years ago? I haven't heard them lately, maybe they still are. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 02:43:08 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:43:08 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna - The problem is still - CAN YOU SELL IT??????? On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 8/7/2012 12:56 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> I guess I will answer my own question. From the talkers.com website: >> >> *Major Programming Changes at Clear Channel?s WXKS, Boston.* *Clear >> Channel >> * Boston?s *Joe Mazzei* tells *TALKERS* *Premiere Networks*? ?America Now? >> with*Andy Dean* is the AM drive show and *Sean Hannity* airs live from >> 3:00 >> pm to 6:00 pm >> >> > Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and over, > on station after station. No offense to my conservative friends (and yes I > do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple of high-profile > leftie talkers be heard? I know Clear Channel's ownership is extremely > (severely?) conservative, and the Mays family was well-known for its > support of the Bush administration, but seriously, it's good radio to have > some different points of view, and the myth that nobody listens to leftie > talkers has been disproven in a number of markets. Ed Schultz is on the > air at several otherwise all-conservative stations, and somehow the > republic hasn't fallen. Hannity (to cite one example) does great on his TV > show, but his radio show has gotten very poor numbers in numerous markets; > and yet, he keeps getting added to new markets. I just don't get it. > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 02:33:44 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:33:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air Message-ID: <13812758.1344321224148.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The problem for me with rescanning the set is that I have scanned in slots for stations from R.I. (6, 10, 12, 64) and one from Cape Cod (58) that I don't normally receive, but that I got scanned in during a particularly strong "tropospheric ducting" night. Those stations don't normally come in where I am in Somerville with an indoor antenna, but when they do, the presets are there for them. If I rescan for a new station, I lose those presets, unless I could do it on an equally strong "ducting" night, but I haven't seen one lately where all those stations have been coming in at the same time again. EP From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 03:47:53 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:47:53 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: You're both right. Yes, they could put on some liberal talkers. But can they sell it? They couldn't even really sell Rush et al at 1200. Worth a try or what? They got rid of two local host salaries, Katz and Severin. They just paid $14 million for an FM in Lynn (which might turn out to be a computer-run station that can print some money) but they make cuts elsewhere. Now they get an automated conservative talker, it seems. As of right now as mentioned above, they are using the station to clear shows like Beck and Hannity. What else does Premiere have? Randi Rhodes. Jesse Jackson (weekly?) http://premiereradio.com/category/view/talk.html But yes most are conservative shows. Now CC gets to put Rush and C2C back on a station with a better signal in some ways. Rush leads in to Howie. As for talk hosts, one could easily say of hosts like Terri Gross on NPR: "Just the world needs--liberal talk hosts over and over on station after station". Of course apples and oranges comparison here, commercial vs. non-commercial. Should they put libtalk on? Yes, if they can sell it. (Again CC wants to clear their shows, and they put two biggies on RKO and the rest on 1200) RKO did used to run Steph's old show...CC apparently figures they can get those two biggies on RKO and hopefully clear the ads on the 1200 with the rest of the lineup. We'll see if they change their minds. Also consider that talk radio often works best as a counter-punch to those in power...in this very blue part of the country, the likes of Howie (and Jerry before him, an "anti-statist") served as a check and balance, but Donna I do know what you mean. I was almost wondering if CC was going to try to place shows like Hannity on 1510, but they may just keep the 1200 around to do that... On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Donna - > > The problem is still - CAN YOU SELL IT??????? >> Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and over, >> on station after station. No offense to my conservative friends (and yes I >> do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple of high-profile >> leftie talkers be heard? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 03:52:06 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:52:06 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: <5020A9B4.50008@attorneyross.com> References: <5020A9B4.50008@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I stand corrected about Entercom's other AM in Buffalo. And the 1520 they have, WWKB, actually can sometimes reach our own area (even if it can't reach Rochester for some reason). As for 1200's future at least for now they are continuing conservative talk, only cutting the salaries of Jay and Jeff, and going with Andy Dean, Beck, Rush-for-now, Sean, Levin, and Coast-to-Coast for now. I suppose they could try to fill a couple of those slots with prog talkers, or would they dare do a varied lineup (as WWWT in Wash DC did for a time, "Left. Right. And Whatever We Want.") On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:37 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/6/2012 4:28 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> So what's going to happen at 1200? Spanish or progressive talk? Clear >> Channel still has a handful of progressive talkers. The three I can think >> of >> are in Los Angeles, Denver, and Detroit, but there are others. In San >> Francisco, CCU has a station that mixes progressive and right-wing talk. >> Once upon a time, that would not have raised any eyebrows, but it's >> extremely unusual in 2012 and has been for at least a decade. > > > Wasn't WHMP doing that just a few years ago? I haven't heard them lately, > maybe they still are. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 7 04:01:15 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:01:15 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5020CB4B.9060909@donnahalper.com> On 8/7/2012 3:47 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > As for talk hosts, one could easily say of hosts like Terri Gross on > NPR: "Just the world needs--liberal talk hosts over and over on > station after station". Of course apples and oranges comparison here, > commercial vs. non-commercial. > And you are also comparing political/advocacy programs versus programs featuring interviews with jazz musicians or poets. I like Terri Gross, but I doubt we can compare the kind of show she does with the kind of show Limbaugh and Hannity (and Schultz and Rhodes) do. In fact, I don't think NPR has many political talk shows-- their "Talk of the Nation" and "On Point" discuss general interest current events topics, with guests from various sides of the spectrum of ideologies. All very laid-back and courteous. Also, very informative much of the time. Would such programming sell if it weren't on public radio? I doubt it. As for the "can you sell it" argument, it's an interesting one, given that many rightie talk shows get absolutely awful numbers, yet their syndicators seems to bundle them so that if you want the big-name guy (or gal), you have to take some of the lower-rated shows too. Progressive/liberal talkers (even the ones marketed successfully by Dial Global) seem to have their own sales staffs-- I don't know how much national selling DG does for Ed or Stephanie or Thom, versus how much they are on their own. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 7 07:38:00 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:38:00 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044><3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044><50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com><5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <64AD2720127140B2B1DFA91064B7DE8A@SatU205S5044> Isn't the mixture of right- and left-wing views on one station what CCU has been trying for maybe the last six months on the AM 910 licensed to Oakland and serving the SF Bay area? Before the format flip, and before the arrival of the non-rightie program hosts, the calls had been KNEW, but IIRC, those calls migrated one station up the AM dial to another CCU-owned talker also licensed to Oakland. The 960 station had been known as KKGN (K-Green) and had a kind of left-wing flavor. Meanwhile, I think 910 is now known as KKSF (or maybe not). Anyhow, my understanding is that CCU is trying to make KKSF (or whatever they're calling it) into the successor to KGO 810, whose new owners (Cumulus?) flipped it from non-hard-right talk (which it had been under Disney and Citadel) to (more or less) all news. I don't have a clue to what kind of success (if any) KKSF is enjoying, but has it been successful enough for CCU to try a similar format on 1200 in Boston? The Bay area isn't Boston and Boston isn't the Bay area and also isn't nearly as large a market, but both markets are known for liberal politics, lots of colleges/universities, and high-tech industries. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:47 AM Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Donna - >> >> The problem is still - CAN YOU SELL IT??????? > >>> Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and >>> over, >>> on station after station. No offense to my conservative friends (and >>> yes I >>> do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple of >>> high-profile >>> leftie talkers be heard? From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Aug 7 10:09:07 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:09:07 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: *> Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and over, on station after station. No offense to my conservative * *> friends (and yes I do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple of high-profile leftie talkers be heard?* While not nationally known, Jim and Majorie are in morning drive on WTKK. Between this and the more "relaxed" NPR shows, I don't think there's any room for a competitor. TKK also has Doug Meehan and Smirconish who while not being hard left, certainly aren't hard right either. Another possibility for the absence of hard left commentators on radio is that the people who tend to be hard left may not be interested in left wing theatrics similar to what the righties do. -Bob From lsochrin@rcn.com Tue Aug 7 09:14:51 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:14:51 -0400 Subject: The changes at Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <169A1292-E0AF-4A6D-BF16-837DB28A0FDD@rcn.com> The following seems to spell out exactly the changes at Talk 1200. It will stay talk. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20220807wrko_tunes_into_rush_severin_katz_reportedly_get_boot_from_talk_1200/srvc=business&position=recent_bullet From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 10:49:37 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:49:37 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I'll add that hosts of the past like Jerry Williams were considered liberal but in his final years he crusaded against "hacks and cronies" in the state government and various causes like stopping the prison in New Braintree, stopping the seatbelt law, the "Congressional pay grab" (Ralph Nader was on frequently), and so on. He called himself a muckraker, anti-big-state government, anti-waste/fraud/corruption. He had anti-tax crusader Barbara Anderson on as well as Howie Carr as "The Governors"--later Bob Katzen of Beacon Hill Roll Call would be on. (I can still remember him hammering that phrase in-- hacks...and cronies...and playing the "Network" clip of "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!") Nader btw is often seen as being on the left criticizing big auto makers but he also seemed to be against big-salaried Congressmen. Jerry also tried to stop Mike Dukakis from being elected President. "Unelectable..." sang one woman to the tune of "Unforgettable..." The man often called liberal was morphing into populist (as he called himself), anti-big-government, libertarian ("why should some jack booted thug state trooper pull you over for not having a seat belt?"). The next thing you knew, Howie would be filling in for him ("Good afternoon New England this is Howie Carr from the Boston Herald and I'm filling in for the Dean today") and Howie would get his own show--Jerry's slot of course (though for a time he was in mornings paired briefly with Victoria Jones). Anyway, in a Democrat-dominated city like ours, we found talk hosts who railed against the "Establishment" succeeded at a station like WRKO, and Jerry seemed to trend conservative (or at least "anti-big-state government"). There may be some progressive voices on now like the ones mentioned above, though the Left wants to have their own station or at least equal footing (for example, they wouldn't mind an Ed Schulz, Thom Hartmann, or Steph Miller on WRKO or WXKS AM to give a bit of balance). But as has been said, can they sell it? 1200 couldn't even really sell Rush! Considering Entercom runs at least one prog talk station I know of, and Boston might be receptive to it, neither they nor (lately) Clear Channel seems to want to do it (CC of course did try it 2004-2006). I will note btw that "Boston's Progressive Talk" lasted 2 years and 2 months (Oct 2004 to Dec 2006). The conservative talk on 1200 started in March of 2010. That's been slightly longer: 2 years and about 5 months...and for now 1200 is apparently continuing it, sans local hosts. Whether they continue to run Levin, Hannity, Beck etc on 1200 to "clear their shows" or go to another format (maybe after Rush leaves?), who knows. And yes Premiere does have Rhodes and Jesse Jackson to offer, too... As I said before in the prog talk days, 1200 couldn't cut it due to weak signal, lack of promotion, and no DAILY local hosts. So they tried conservative talk with a slightly better signal (I can still get it quite well day or night in Beverly), a bit of promotion, and not one but two daily local hosts, but it hasn't quite worked out. Yet for now it continues...not sure for how long. Now Katz and Severin are unemployed (and I don't know if TKK or RKO would hire Severin given the controversy; maybe Katz can catch on...) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 10:59:30 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:59:30 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <5020CB4B.9060909@donnahalper.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> <5020CB4B.9060909@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I'll admit my view of Gross may be from a couple clips Laura Ingraham once played of her show: one had her fawning over Al Franken (pre-Senate) as a guest, the other had her going after Bill O'Reilly hard when he was on with her. (And like anything in politics it depends on where you're coming from; the far right does not consider O'Reilly conservative, believe it or not!) And I haven't quite checked out Talk of the Nation. > given that many rightie talk shows > get absolutely awful numbers, yet their syndicators seems to bundle them so > that if you want the big-name guy (or gal), you have to take some of the > lower-rated shows too. That's very right, but there are some very successful shows like Rush (he sure earns a huge salary) and yes some syndicators kinda force stations to pick up shows. You want Savage, WRKO, you had to pick up Laura and/or Doyle (or vice versa) Progressive/liberal talkers (even the ones marketed > successfully by Dial Global) seem to have their own sales staffs-- I don't > know how much national selling DG does for Ed or Stephanie or Thom, versus > how much they are on their own. Ah. By the way checking out Dial Global I see they offer the following: Bill Press (liberal), Dennis Miller (on WRKO weekends--can be mostly conservative but social liberal. I like Dennis...'course that's just my opinion, hey, I could be wrong...as he says), Clark Howard, Jon Grayson (on WTKK now), Neal Boortz (conservative I think), Jim Bohannon, Shultz (not on in Boston now), Smerconish (WTKK), Steph Miller, and Thom Hartmann. As you say the DG talkers may well have their own sales staffs. Dial Global btw also is doing NBC sports network I believe--they have done some Olympic coverage (WEEI has carried) and the ever popular "NFL package" (also WEEI) http://www.dialglobal.com/index.php/programming/talk-radio/daily-talk From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 11:04:41 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:04:41 -0400 Subject: The changes at Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <169A1292-E0AF-4A6D-BF16-837DB28A0FDD@rcn.com> References: <169A1292-E0AF-4A6D-BF16-837DB28A0FDD@rcn.com> Message-ID: It almost seems like CC finally realized they should have kept Rush (and Coast to Coast) on WRKO, but if indeed 1200 stays (conservative) talk they get to run shows and their sponsored advertising, shows like Hannity, Beck, Levin etc. No salaries to expend for local hosts. They did just spend $14 million for WFNX and may make money off that with variety hits. Now, they manage to make cuts with the local shows WXKS AM had (and on facebook and twitter, Jay and Jeff's fans are disappointed). A tough talk radio market? WRKO, WTKK, and yes WBZ (etc.) made it tough despite local hosts, slightly better signal, etc.? CC does seem to want to keep the shows/ads on in Boston somehow though. Instead of something like trying to work out a deal with 1510 to carry the likes of Hannity (I know, that sends a shiver down the spines of the prog talk folks), they already have 1200 and can keep that going. And yes what else goes there other than Spanish, true oldies, prog talk etc.--they do seem to want to keep the talk on. "Express YOURself", just not with local hosts. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Larry Sochrin wrote: > > The following seems to spell out exactly the changes at Talk 1200. It will stay talk. > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20220807wrko_tunes_into_rush_severin_katz_reportedly_get_boot_from_talk_1200/srvc=business&position=recent_bullet > > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Aug 7 11:06:49 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:06:49 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO In-Reply-To: References: <5020A9B4.50008@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <50212F09.906@fybush.com> On 8/7/2012 3:52 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I stand corrected about Entercom's other AM in Buffalo. And the 1520 > they have, WWKB, actually can sometimes reach our own area (even if it > can't reach Rochester for some reason). It's not "for some reason." It's for a very easily explained engineering reason. Any AM antenna system sends signal outward along two paths: a groundwave signal that travels along the ground for as far as the ground conductivity can carry it, and a skywave signal that shoots upward at an angle. During the day, the skywave signal passes through the ionosphere and out into space. At night, charged layers of the ionosphere reflect those skywave signals back down to earth at a distance. Most of the time, those skywave bounces land at a distance beyond the end of the normal groundwave coverage. But on a fairly high MW frequency like 1520, from relatively short towers, the first skywave bounce lands quite close in - 75 miles in, or thereabouts, which puts it right over Rochester. And that's close enough that there's still a lot of groundwave signal present. Because the two signals arrive over different paths, they land out of phase, and it's that phase cancellation that makes 1520 hard to hear after dark in Rochester, just as it makes 1030 hard to hear sometimes around Springfield, or WGY around Syracuse. It's not so much that WWKB "can't reach Rochester" - it's more that it reaches Rochester by too many different paths at once! s From scott@fybush.com Tue Aug 7 11:15:58 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:15:58 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> <5020CB4B.9060909@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5021312E.90702@fybush.com> On 8/7/2012 10:59 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I'll admit my view of Gross may be from a couple clips Laura Ingraham > once played of her show: one had her fawning over Al Franken > (pre-Senate) as a guest, the other had her going after Bill O'Reilly > hard when he was on with her. (And like anything in politics it > depends on where you're coming from; the far right does not consider > O'Reilly conservative, believe it or not!) And I haven't quite checked > out Talk of the Nation. Perhaps I'm unusual, but I like to spend some time understanding what it is I'm opining about, before I start opining about it at any length and expecting anyone to give the slightest credence to what I think. Even if your schedule doesn't allow you to hear Fresh Air (1 PM on WBUR, 2 PM on WGBH) or ToTN (2 PM on WBUR) over the air, both shows offer extensive podcasts. (It should be noted as well that ToTN's regular host, Neal Conan, is on vacation this week.) To form an opinion about Terry Gross based on "a couple clips Laura Ingraham once played of her show" would have as much validity, it seems to me, as forming an opinion about Bill O'Reilly based on watching an episode of Stephen Colbert, or forming an opinion about Rush Limbaugh based on one Rachel Maddow commentary. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 7 12:52:22 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:52:22 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044><3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044><50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com><5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com><5020CB4B.9060909@donnahalper.com> <5021312E.90702@fybush.com> Message-ID: <93CC5DC153AB41C89C20DB74ABA12A60@SatU205S5044> You sure 'GBH-FM still carries Fresh Air at 2:00PM M-F? I thought it was a casualty of the recent schedule re-shuffling. I could be wrong, of course. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: doings at 680, 1510? > On 8/7/2012 10:59 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> I'll admit my view of Gross may be from a couple clips Laura Ingraham >> once played of her show: one had her fawning over Al Franken >> (pre-Senate) as a guest, the other had her going after Bill O'Reilly >> hard when he was on with her. (And like anything in politics it >> depends on where you're coming from; the far right does not consider >> O'Reilly conservative, believe it or not!) And I haven't quite checked >> out Talk of the Nation. > > Perhaps I'm unusual, but I like to spend some time understanding what it > is I'm opining about, before I start opining about it at any length and > expecting anyone to give the slightest credence to what I think. > > Even if your schedule doesn't allow you to hear Fresh Air (1 PM on WBUR, 2 > PM on WGBH) or ToTN (2 PM on WBUR) over the air, both shows offer > extensive podcasts. (It should be noted as well that ToTN's regular host, > Neal Conan, is on vacation this week.) > > To form an opinion about Terry Gross based on "a couple clips Laura > Ingraham once played of her show" would have as much validity, it seems to > me, as forming an opinion about Bill O'Reilly based on watching an episode > of Stephen Colbert, or forming an opinion about Rush Limbaugh based on one > Rachel Maddow commentary. > > > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Aug 7 16:24:21 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: WCEA-DT:58-45 Boston On The Air In-Reply-To: <13812758.1344321224148.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13812758.1344321224148.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50217975.9040607@attorneyross.com> On 8/7/2012 2:33 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > The problem for me with rescanning the set is that > I have scanned in slots for stations from R.I. (6, > 10, 12, 64) and one from Cape Cod (58) that I don't > normally receive, but that I got scanned in during > a particularly strong "tropospheric ducting" night. > > Those stations don't normally come in where I am in > Somerville with an indoor antenna, but when they do, > the presets are there for them. > > If I rescan for a new station, I lose those presets, > unless I could do it on an equally strong "ducting" > night, but I haven't seen one lately where all those > stations have been coming in at the same time again. Some converters have provision for adding individual channels without rescanning. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx: 617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 8 01:10:12 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 01:10:12 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5021F4B4.30905@attorneyross.com> On 8/7/2012 1:56 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Just what the world needs-- the same conservative talkers, over and > over, on station after station. No offense to my conservative friends > (and yes I do have some), but what would the harm be to let a couple > of high-profile leftie talkers be heard? I know Clear Channel's > ownership is extremely (severely?) conservative, and the Mays family > was well-known for its support of the Bush administration, but > seriously, it's good radio to have some different points of view, and > the myth that nobody listens to leftie talkers has been disproven in a > number of markets. Ed Schultz is on the air at several otherwise > all-conservative stations, and somehow the republic hasn't fallen. > Hannity (to cite one example) does great on his TV show, but his radio > show has gotten very poor numbers in numerous markets; and yet, he > keeps getting added to new markets. I just don't get it. I wonder whether some of it is just the ideology of station owners, willing to have low-rated programs to make a point. Not all that different from Jeff Santos's now-dormant operation at WNNZ. Or maybe conservative sponsors willing to pay the stations to air the programs, so the stations make money even with low ratings. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 8 01:11:17 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 01:11:17 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5021F4F5.9050104@attorneyross.com> On 8/7/2012 3:47 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > You're both right. Yes, they could put on some liberal talkers. But > can they sell it? They couldn't even really sell Rush et al at 1200. > Worth a try or what? Then again, who's listening to AM radio these days? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Aug 8 08:16:50 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:16:50 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? In-Reply-To: <5021F4F5.9050104@attorneyross.com> References: <431AB00AF4D3459884AFED22008D2CB9@SatU205S5044> <3AFBDE58BCDD401493EB690F8899B452@SatU205S5044> <50201AFF.3080701@gabrielmass.com> <5020ADF6.9070702@donnahalper.com> <5021F4F5.9050104@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: > > > Then again, who's listening to AM radio these days? > > Talkers estimates 15 million+ listen to Limbaugh each week, I would guess most of them on AM. Hannity is a close second at 14M+. This may explain why its easy for them to land new stations. >From the same list, the liberals show up at #8: Holmes, Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, and Schultz are all a 3.25M+. There is a bit of postive feedback loop here too. Having a bigger audience helps get you more stations, but having more stations helps you get a bigger audience. -Bob From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 8 20:14:55 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:14:55 -0400 Subject: Ridgway, PA Tower/Transmitter Tour Message-ID: I was recently invited to the tower/transmitter site for WKBI-FM 93.9 Saint Marys PA/W233BS 94.5 Saint Marys PA/WJNG-FM 100.5 Johnsonburg PA/WRVI-FM 91.1 Saint Marys PA that is located on the top of Boot Jack Road in Ridgway, PA. The pictures can be seen here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3813200005978.2148332.1156869809&type=1 The station I work for, 97.5 The HOUND WDDH Saint Marys, PA is on a 600 foot tall tower about 20 miles NW of this location. Enjoy! Paul Walker From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:03:08 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:03:08 -0400 Subject: 1200, 1510 future Message-ID: 1200: We are awaiting Aug 21 but who knows, they could keep doing talk (most likely conservative, from Clear Channel's Premiere division and maybe some others--Dial Global, Cumulus (via tweet from bostonradio). Not sure if they'd try prog talk. I would think true oldies, Spanish, sports might also be a possibility. Mark does hear though that 1510 has a deal signed and it MAY (no confirmation yet) be sports (details next week he says) with a launch in early Sept. If so, Yahoo Sports, ESPN Deportes, Fox (prob not but who knows) may be possibilities From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Aug 9 11:50:05 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:50:05 -0400 Subject: 1510 to sports or who knows...? Message-ID: <20120809155005.80580@gmx.com> ?1510 to sports? Tweet from bostonradio: "Something's big brewing at 1510. Deal signed.All signs point to sports but yet to get a confirm.Details next week. Sep 4th launch" If so, ESPN Deportes? Fox (maybe not)...Yahoo Sports? Again nothing official yet but it looks like something will happen relatively soon. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 10 09:13:51 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Boston_Progressive_Talk] Digest Number 169 References: <1344598190.359.43378.m7@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5D1A33BA7EF9452E9CA89509BE33C9AF@SatU205S5044> Bob: I think you and Mark Schneyder have forgotten a key element in determining where, if anywhere, Progressive talk appears in Boston: Who is willing to pay how much to whom. If a syndicator really, really wants a program to appear in a particlar market or on a particular signal, the syndicator may be willing to pay the desired station to carry the program. On the other hand, if a station wants a particular program badly enough, the station may be willing to pay the syndicator for the right to carry the program. A lot of stations get syndicated programs by bartering the air time for the spots. That is, the station agrees to run the national spots that the syndicator has sold and the station gets the program without shelling out any cash for it. The syndicator also shells out no cash. If CCU can get a good enough deal from a syndicator (that is, if the syndicator is willing to pay CCU enough to have the program appear on WXKS (AM) 1200), it may not matter (at least initially) that WXKS has so far achieved only very low ratings. A lot depends on how the various syndicators view the Boston market. If a show is carried in enough large markets, it becomes easier (and more profitable) for the syndicator to get the show carried in markets where the station is willing to pay the syndicator. Sometimes, this can mean very large markets where the station is willing to pay the syndicaor handsomely. What I believe we have here is a case of capitalism at work in something like its purist form. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: [Boston_Progressive_Talk] Digest Number 169 > Boston_Progressive_Talk Boston_Progressive_Talk Group 4 New Messages > Digest #169 1a Re: News Flash by "raccoonradio" raccoonradio 1b Re: News > Flash by "raccoonradio" raccoonradio > 2a 1510 to sports? by "raccoonradio" raccoonradio 2b Re: 1510 to sports? > by "raccoonradio" raccoonradio > > Messages > 1a Re: News Flash Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: > "raccoonradio" raccoonradio We may know by Aug 21 or so. Here's the story > of 1200 etc over the years: > > --it used to be WKOX AM 1190 but switched to 1200 and at one time ran > talk shows like Alan Colmes, Morgan White Jr, etc. Sold to Clear Channel. > It was progressive talk (along with AM 1430) from Oct of 04 till Dec of 06 > when it switched to Spanish "Rumba". During the prog > talk days the signal wasn't as good, there was little promotion, and no > daily talk hosts (some guy named Jeff Santos was on Sundays though) > > --Rumblings had it that Clear Channel wanted to upgrade the signal and put > their conservative talkers on there. They did improve the signal > though for many it was still too weak. The switch came in March of > 2010. A month later one local host, Jeff Katz, was hired. The next year, > Jay Severin was added. Otherwise, Rush, Coast to Coast (both pulled > from RKO), Levin, Hannity, etc. The ratings, at least 6 and over, > weren't much better than the prog talk days though just now they > pulled a 1.3 (WRKO, a 1.5) Then again 25-54 is a more important demo. > > But CC couldn't make it work even with the local hosts, so they let > Katz and Severin go and for now are running their other conservative hosts > to "clear them" (run ads, shows). They did just pay $14 > million to the Phoenix for WFNX. It turned into The Harbor, > "variety hits". No DJs, tired music selection--it's boring, > it's predictable--and it will make them lots of money because > some people want that. (That happened with Entercom and Mike 93.7) > > So here's what it comes down to: They had this AM signal which has > struggled. Right now they don't want to spend much money on it. (They > decided to let RKO have Rush and C2C again which they were glad to do.) > The options include keeping the conservative talk on to "clear the shows", > run true oldies, run Spanish or yes run progressive talk. What will Clear > Channel do? > > Mark from Boston Radio Watch talked to me about this. (We also said maybe > it could go to Fox Sports Radio). He said in his opinion, > "the chance of prog talk winding up on 1200 is about the same as > Menino eating at Chik Fil A". In other words, CC won't risk it again? > Who knows...they could conceivably pick up Steph Miller, T. Hartmann, > Schultz etc (supposedly Ed hinted he'd be going over to a bigger and > better station). > > Could any profits from The Harbor 101.7 help CC finance a progressive talk > station? I'd almost wonder if CC might consider selling it. > They did put millions of $ into the signal upgrade though. (Which they > might make back, only AM is dying...) > > Most of CC's talk hosts are conservative but they do have Randi > Rhodes. > http://www.premiereradio.com/category/view/talk.html > > The key is CC wants to turn a profit with the station. It hasn't > quite happened with conservative talk. Would they think it could > happen with prog talk? One thing's for sure: I would think no matter > what runs, they want to spend little money. Put on the satellite. > Program the computer. They tried conservative talk with hosts. > It didn't work. Even if they did take prog talk it could be > national stuff only. Who knows, could turn to some local hosts if > it succeeds. > > It all comes down to what Clear Channel does if it wants to make > money. They already showed that with The Harbor they would rather > chase the almighty dollar and run Bon Jovi, Madonna, etc rather than, say, > bring back the WFNX sound. What will they do with AM 1200? > > If they think prog talk could work, they could try it. But again > this is Clear Channel. Signal is better than before in SOME areas > but it still lacks the punch of, say, a WRKO or WBZ. Would they > make the effort to try prog talk again? > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (4) . > Top ^ 1b Re: News Flash Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:57 am (PDT) . Posted by: > "raccoonradio" raccoonradio Mark of BRW hints 1200 could have a mix of > shows from Dial Global, > Cumulus, TRN though he doubts it would be prog talk. Still some prog > talkers on DG lineup > > TRN: Laura Ingraham > > Dial Global: Smerconish (WTKK), Dennis Miller (WRKO), Schulz, > Steph Miller, Thom Hartmann, Bill Press, Jim Bohannon > > Cumulus: Imus, G. Rivera, M. Huckabee > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (4) . > Top ^ 2a 1510 to sports? Thu Aug 9, 2012 8:46 am (PDT) . Posted by: > "raccoonradio" raccoonradio This just in from Mark of Boston Radio Watch >>>Something's big brewing at 1510. Deal signed.All signs point to sports >>>but yet to get a confirm.Details next week. Sep 4th launch > > (Fox Sports? ESPN Deportes?) > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . > Top ^ 2b Re: 1510 to sports? Thu Aug 9, 2012 10:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: > "raccoonradio" raccoonradio 1510 may go NBC sports which will launch > around the same time (early Sept.). Talk shows and maybe the NFL package. > Details next week. > Companies find sports an easy sell on AM radio, even in over-sportsed- > markets. Sell those Buds to 25-54 men... > > --- In Boston_Progressive_Talk@yahoogroups.com, "raccoonradio" > wrote: >> >> This just in from Mark of Boston Radio Watch >> >>Something's big brewing at 1510. Deal signed.All signs point to sports >> >>but yet to get a confirm.Details next week. Sep 4th launch >> >> (Fox Sports? ESPN Deportes?) >> > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . > Top ^ Visit Your Group > View All Topics > Create New Topic > > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! Submit Feedback > > The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog Check it out! > CHANGE SETTINGS > TERMS > OF USE > UNSUBSCRIBE > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 11:44:38 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:44:38 -0400 Subject: Al Kaprielian returns to Channel 50 Message-ID: Just announced on the WBIN Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=421789827867755 Al will do weather on the hour from 2 to 9 PM weekdays starting August 20th From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Aug 10 11:54:26 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:54:26 -0400 Subject: Al Kaprielian returns to Channel 50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The station is also running a promo with Al saying "I'm back". You can imagine what that sounds like. :-) -Bob On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Just announced on the WBIN Facebook page - > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=421789827867755 > > Al will do weather on the hour from 2 to 9 PM weekdays starting August 20th > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Aug 10 15:24:58 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Al Kaprielian returns to Channel 50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1344626698.94770.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: >Just announced on the WBIN Facebook page - > >https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=421789827867755 > >Al will do weather on the hour from 2 to 9 PM weekdays starting August 20th Does he really draw that many eyeballs? I know he has a following, but still. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 18:12:51 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:12:51 -0400 Subject: Sue Bennett Show on Channel 4? Message-ID: This photo was supposed to be from 'The Sue Bennett Show' from around 1954-5 on Channel 4 That ring a bell with anyone? Before my time. https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402081_417809018256653_173115780_n.jpg From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 18:20:55 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:20:55 -0400 Subject: Al Kaprielian returns to Channel 50 References: <1344626698.94770.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47164CD6424E4993BF55768DB98188C3@s20035> > Does he really draw that many eyeballs? I know he has a following, but > still. I don't know how many people he 'draws' to the station....but he "gets noticed"...and that's probably something that a little independent station from Derry needs these days. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 19:06:07 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sue Bennett Show on Channel 4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1344639967.25222.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> She was a singer on "Your Hit Parade" who moved to Boston when her husband (a doctor) took a position here. She hosted her own show on WBZ and movies on WNAC in the 60s. Her son, Andrew Fielding, wrote "The Lucky Strike Papers" about his mother's career. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Donna Halper ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Sue Bennett Show on Channel 4? This photo was supposed to be from 'The Sue Bennett Show' from around 1954-5 on Channel 4 That ring a bell with anyone? Before my time. https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402081_417809018256653_173115780_n.jpg From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 20:09:54 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sue Bennett Show on Channel 4? In-Reply-To: <1344639967.25222.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1344639967.25222.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1344643794.71430.YahooMailNeo@web161306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here's a photo of her from WNAC http://andrewleefielding.blogspot.com/2011/04/wnac-tv-cinema-7.html? And more on that particular picture: http://andrewleefielding.blogspot.com/2011/04/sue-bennett-show-bostons-wbz-tv.html? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 21:12:59 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:12:59 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston Message-ID: Roy Leonard who was a rising star at first WHDH and then WNAC was suddenly out of a job in 1967 when WNAC-AM became WRKO. He was hired by WGN Chicago and became a superstar. He has started a blog and he has posted pictures of his WKOX, WHDH and WNAC days. He was Channel 5's first 11 PM newscaster, http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/sc0004f782-e1328810067299.jpg Roy with Ronald Reagan at WKOX http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/the-president-of-screen-actors-guild-1952-001.jpg Roy at Channel 7 http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1966_leonard-roy-wnac_tv_boston2-e1329877976661.jpg Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are the others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1963_leonard_roy-wnac_tv_boston2-e1329877996430-1024x806.jpg The blog can be seen here http://royleonard.com/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 10 21:32:10 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:32:10 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5025B61A.6030207@donnahalper.com> Kevin wrote-- > Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are the > others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. > Yes, the air-staff on WNAC in 1963 included Dave and Jim. I think I also recognize Gus Saunders and Bill Hahn. Not sure everyone in this photo was an on-air person. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 10 21:54:20 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:20 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston References: Message-ID: The WNAC morning show featured Roy (Leonard), Jim (Dixon), and Gus (Saunders). The show was called (naturally) Roy, Jim, and Gus. It ended when General Tire flipped WNAC to WRKO. I'm guessing at the year: 1962 maybe. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston Roy Leonard who was a rising star at first WHDH and then WNAC was suddenly out of a job in 1967 when WNAC-AM became WRKO. He was hired by WGN Chicago and became a superstar. He has started a blog and he has posted pictures of his WKOX, WHDH and WNAC days. He was Channel 5's first 11 PM newscaster, http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/sc0004f782-e1328810067299.jpg Roy with Ronald Reagan at WKOX http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/the-president-of-screen-actors-guild-1952-001.jpg Roy at Channel 7 http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1966_leonard-roy-wnac_tv_boston2-e1329877976661.jpg Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are the others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1963_leonard_roy-wnac_tv_boston2-e1329877996430-1024x806.jpg The blog can be seen here http://royleonard.com/ From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 23:10:14 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:10:14 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <5025B61A.6030207@donnahalper.com> References: <5025B61A.6030207@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Roy is hanging in - he lost his wife of 59 years a few months ago. He told me the reason he left WHDH for WNAC was because they wanted him to be Bozo and he wanted no part of it. He moved to Brookine Ave and Frank Avruch became Bozo. The WKOX picture with Reagan is amazing. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Kevin wrote-- > > Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are >> the >> others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. >> >> > > Yes, the air-staff on WNAC in 1963 included Dave and Jim. I think I also > recognize Gus Saunders and Bill Hahn. Not sure everyone in this photo was > an on-air person. > From sids1045@aol.com Fri Aug 10 22:58:25 2012 From: sids1045@aol.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <5025B61A.6030207@donnahalper.com> References: <5025B61A.6030207@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <8CF45844F5FA538-1758-61696@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> "Not sure everyone in this photo was an on-air person." Tony Bennett is third-from-left. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 3 12:59:50 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:59:50 -0400 Subject: Howie stays at WRKO Message-ID: <20120803165952.115560@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 08/02/12 04:59 PM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Howie stays at WRKO >Entercom picked up the option. >Oh boy.... >http://www.wrko.com/wrko-picks-option-howie-carr This press release calls Howie the "lynchpin" of their talk radio lineup. If a word is misspelled often enough it soon becomes a "variant" spelling, then the preferred spelling. Right NOW, the preferred spelling is "linchpin". Fairly soon, Howie will offer a topic about how bad the schools are these days and how young people don't know how to spell. From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 4 13:18:51 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:18:51 -0400 Subject: WDER Now Operating on 92.1 FM Message-ID: <20120804171851.34170@gmx.com> The owners of WDER-AM 1320 in Derry, NH bought the FM station on 92.1 in Peterborough, NH shortly after Steve Mindich sold WFNX-FM 101.7, Lynn/Boston which it then co-owned with WFEX in Peterborough. The 92.1 frequency went silent for a week or two, during which WXEX-FM 92.1 in Sanford, ME came in clearly where I live (Methuen, MA). Now the 92.1 from Peterborough is broadcasting using the call letters WDER or WDER-FM. I can't be sure what the station's actual designation is because this morning (Saturday, 08/04) it gave the combined station ID as "WDER-AM 1320 and WDER 92.1" If like WEEI, they want the FM to assume primacy, they'd ID the FM first, then the AM. S I D E E B A R: Steve Mindich, owner of the Boston Phoenix and former owner of WFNX and WFEX will be the sole guest of Emily Rooney on WGBH-TV Monday night, 08/06, at 7:00 pm...repeated at midnight and also available for Comcast Customers On Demand. From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Aug 7 13:22:11 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:22:11 -0400 Subject: doings at 680, 1510? Message-ID: I think that's a fair description, even if it's based on a small sample size. Softball for the leftie guests, not so much for the other side. ?These days, though, instead of putting the argumentative questions herself, she uses audio clips to do the talking, and asks the conservative guest to respond. Maybe she's trying to distance herself from a reputation for partisanship. --RC Bob Nelson wrote:I'll admit my view of Gross may be from a couple clips Laura Ingraham once played of her show: one had her fawning over Al Franken (pre-Senate) as a guest, the other had her going after Bill O'Reilly hard when he was on with her. (And like anything in politics it depends on where you're coming from; the far right does not consider O'Reilly conservative, believe it or not!)? From lglavin@mail.com Tue Aug 7 13:41:12 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:41:12 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO Message-ID: <20120807174113.34180@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Fybush >Sent: 08/07/12 11:06 AM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Limbaugh returns to WRKO >On 8/7/2012 3:52 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I stand corrected about Entercom's other AM in Buffalo. And the 1520 > they have, WWKB, actually can sometimes reach our own area (even if it > can't reach Rochester for some reason). >It's not "for some reason." It's for a very easily explained engineering >reason. Any AM antenna system sends signal outward along two paths: a >groundwave signal that travels along the ground for as far as the ground >conductivity can carry it, and a skywave signal that shoots upward at an >angle. During the day, the skywave signal passes through the ionosphere >and out into space. At night, charged layers of the ionosphere reflect >those skywave signals back down to earth at a distance. >Most of the time, those skywave bounces land at a distance beyond the >end of the normal groundwave coverage. But on a fairly high MW frequency >like 1520, from relatively short towers, the first skywave bounce lands >quite close in - 75 miles in, or thereabouts, which puts it right over >Rochester. And that's close enough that there's still a lot of >groundwave signal present. Because the two signals arrive over different >paths, they land out of phase, and it's that phase cancellation that >makes 1520 hard to hear after dark in Rochester, just as it makes 1030 >hard to hear sometimes around Springfield, or WGY around Syracuse. >It's not so much that WWKB "can't reach Rochester" - it's more that it >reaches Rochester by too many different paths at once! >s On a few occasions, usually late at night in the fall/winter period of long hours of darkness, I've experienced that short-wave effect while listening to WBZ-AM, whose antenna system is the most distant Boston-area AM signal I receive reliably at night. I live 30 miles due north of Boston within easy walking distance of the NH border, so the intervening mileage the signal traverses can't be much more than forty miles. From danmurph@rcn.com Sat Aug 11 03:35:20 2012 From: danmurph@rcn.com (Dan M) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:35:20 -0700 Subject: R. Peter Straus of WMCA dies at 89 Message-ID: <279F8B9CA0AC48AE85FED14537EB6EC1@DPMLENOVO> >From the NYT: "R. Peter Straus, who took over WMCA in New York in the late 1950s and turned it into one of the nation's most innovative radio stations, broadcasting what are regarded as the first radio editorials and political endorsements and helping to popularize rock 'n' roll, died on Monday at his home in Midtown Manhattan. He was 89..." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/business/r-peter-straus-wmca-radio-pioneer-dies-at-89.html?ref=obituaries From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 03:13:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:13:36 -0400 Subject: R. Peter Straus of WMCA dies at 89 In-Reply-To: <279F8B9CA0AC48AE85FED14537EB6EC1@DPMLENOVO> References: <279F8B9CA0AC48AE85FED14537EB6EC1@DPMLENOVO> Message-ID: R Peter Straus said many times that Maxwell Richmond gave him guidance during WMCA's glory years. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Dan M wrote: > From the NYT: "R. Peter Straus, who took over WMCA in New York in the late > 1950s and turned it into one of the nation's most innovative radio > stations, broadcasting what are regarded as the first radio editorials and > political endorsements and helping to popularize rock 'n' roll, died on > Monday at his home in Midtown Manhattan. He was 89..." > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/business/r-peter-straus-wmca-radio-pioneer-dies-at-89.html?ref=obituaries > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 03:14:04 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:14:04 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 Message-ID: WXKS 1200 playing nothing but political mis-statements, as "Gaffe 1200". There's a domain name saying the same thing plus Comedy1200.com redirects you to the Gaffe 1200 page, I believe. Possible all comedy format soon? If so, similar to Funny 850 (WTAR) in Norfolk VA, an all comedy station playing stand up routines (often by comics SHOUTING with audiences laughing heartily). Maybe that until yet another format, who knows what, sooner or later? Meanwhile if RKO is to debut Rush and Coast to Coast on Aug 21, it looks like they'll be off all week if the stunt continues. Their shows can be picked up on CC stations in Manchester, Providence, and Worcester, etc. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Aug 11 03:28:37 2012 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:28:37 -0400 Subject: WDER Now Operating on 92.1 FM In-Reply-To: <20120804171851.34170@gmx.com> References: <20120804171851.34170@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120811031356.03b94438@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:18 PM 8/4/2012, Laurence Glavin wrote: >it gave the combined station ID as "WDER-AM 1320 and WDER 92.1" That is not a legal ID. Service designators are never part of a standard broadcast (AM) station's call letters. The AM's calls are WDER, but in a combined ID (where frequency is required) they can give the frequency as AM-1320. What makes the ID illegal is that the FM's calls are "WDER-FM" and 92.1 must be identified in that format. Furthermore, city of license must be given for each with each call and frequency. See 47CFR73 Section 1201. I have heard many simulcasts where IDs are not legal, so this is not unusual. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 09:08:46 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: Message-ID: Are the mis-statements mostly by lefties or righties? Seems like, if most are by lefties, the new format is likely to be right-wing (basically what 1200 has been doing since axing Katz and Severin). If the mis-statements are mostly by righties, the new format is likely to be "progressive talk." If the mis-statements are pretty evenly divided between statements made by righties and lefties, the new format is likely to feature hosts who offer a variety of viewpoints. I haven't listened, but I think there's a good chance of the third option. If CCU and Dial Global are unable to reach agreement on compensation, I would expect that Premiere's Randi Rhodes would be the sole "progressive" voice on what is mostly a right-wing talk station. If CCU and Dial Global can reach some kind of agreement, I would also expect to also hear Ed Schultz. If CCU and Dial Global can reach complete or near-complete agreement, I would expect to also hear Stephanie Miller and possibly even Thom Hartmann, but I doubt that there is much chance of complete or even substantial agreement. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:14 AM Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > WXKS 1200 playing nothing but political mis-statements, as "Gaffe > 1200". There's a domain name saying the same thing > plus Comedy1200.com redirects you to the Gaffe 1200 page, I believe. > > Possible all comedy format soon? If so, similar to Funny 850 (WTAR) in > Norfolk VA, an all comedy station playing stand up > routines (often by comics SHOUTING with audiences laughing heartily). > Maybe that until yet another format, who knows > what, sooner or later? Meanwhile if RKO is to debut Rush and Coast to > Coast on Aug 21, it looks like they'll be off all week > if the stunt continues. Their shows can be picked up on CC stations in > Manchester, Providence, and Worcester, etc. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 09:30:04 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:30:04 -0400 Subject: Limbaugh returns to WRKO References: <20120807174113.34180@gmx.com> Message-ID: According to the software I use, the distance from WSMN's old transmitter site to WBZ is 45.1 miles. From WSMN's proposed new site to WBZ is 45.5 miles. From WNNW 800, the distance to WBZ is 31.7 miles. From WCCM 1110, the distance to WBZ is 38.9 miles. I don't know which of the sites I mentioned (WNNW, WSMN (old), WSMN (proposed), or WCCM) is closest to where you live. Without that info, I can't prove an approximate distance from where you live to WBZ. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Scott Fybush" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Limbaugh returns to WRKO > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Scott Fybush >>Sent: 08/07/12 11:06 AM >>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >>Subject: Re: Limbaugh returns to WRKO > > >On 8/7/2012 3:52 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I stand corrected about > >Entercom's other AM in Buffalo. And the 1520 > they have, WWKB, actually > >can sometimes reach our own area (even if it > can't reach Rochester for > >some reason). >It's not "for some reason." It's for a very easily > >explained engineering >reason. Any AM antenna system sends signal outward > >along two paths: a >groundwave signal that travels along the ground for > >as far as the ground >conductivity can carry it, and a skywave signal > >that shoots upward at an >angle. During the day, the skywave signal > >passes through the ionosphere >and out into space. At night, charged > >layers of the ionosphere reflect >those skywave signals back down to > >earth at a distance. >Most of the time, those skywave bounces land at a > >distance beyond the >end of the normal groundwave coverage. But on a > >fairly high MW frequency >like 1520, from relatively short towers, the > >first skywave bounce lands >quite close in - 75 miles in, or thereabouts, > >wh! > ich puts it right over >Rochester. And that's close enough that there's > still a lot of >groundwave signal present. Because the two signals arrive > over different >paths, they land out of phase, and it's that phase > cancellation that >makes 1520 hard to hear after dark in Rochester, just > as it makes 1030 >hard to hear sometimes around Springfield, or WGY around > Syracuse. >It's not so much that WWKB "can't reach Rochester" - it's more > that it >reaches Rochester by too many different paths at once! >s > > > > > > > On a few occasions, usually late at night in the fall/winter period of > long hours of darkness, I've experienced that > short-wave effect while listening to WBZ-AM, whose antenna system is the > most distant Boston-area AM > signal I receive reliably at night. I live 30 miles due north of Boston > within easy walking distance of the NH border, > so the intervening mileage the signal traverses can't be much more than > forty miles. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 11 10:09:37 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:09:37 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston References: <015801cd77c5$631510c0$293f3240$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> I don't have enough info to argue, but something seems to be the matter with the 1967 date. Gary is undoubtedly correct about the date of 680's flip from WNAC to WRKO, but maybe I was wrong about that date coinciding with the end of the Roy, Jim, and Gus AM-drive program. I was under the impression that Jonathan Schwartz's evening program on WNAC left the air at the same time as did Roy, Jim, and Gus. Maybe that wasn't the case. I am as positive as I can be that I listened to Schwartz's last program on WNAC in the kitchen of the apartment my late wife and I occupied in Belmont before we moved to Arlington on November 12, 1964. Another way of getting at the date of Schwartz's last show on WNAC might be the date of the Sunny Liston-Mohammed Ali heavyweight title fight that took place in (I think) Lewiston ME. Schwartz took off what would otherwise have been his next-to-last show on WNAC to drive to Maine to see the fight. He was back for his final show the following night. Since the date of the fight (late May 1965, according to a couple of hits at Google), was also after we moved to Arlington, I guess that my memory of listening to Schwartz's last 680 program in the kitchen of the Belmont apartment is just plain wrong. I could have listened to Schwartz in that kitchen, but I couldn't have listened to his last show on WNAC there. Sigh. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: RE: When Roy Leonard was in Boston > March 1967 > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:54 PM > To: Kevin Vahey; Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: When Roy Leonard was in Boston > > The WNAC morning show featured Roy (Leonard), Jim (Dixon), and Gus > (Saunders). The show was called (naturally) Roy, Jim, and Gus. It ended > when > General Tire flipped WNAC to WRKO. I'm guessing at the year: 1962 maybe. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Boston Radio Group > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:12 PM > Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston > > > Roy Leonard who was a rising star at first WHDH and then WNAC was > suddenly > out of a job in 1967 when WNAC-AM became WRKO. He was hired by WGN > Chicago > and became a superstar. > > He has started a blog and he has posted pictures of his WKOX, WHDH and > WNAC > days. > > He was Channel 5's first 11 PM newscaster, > > > http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/sc0004f782-e1328810067299.jpg > > > Roy with Ronald Reagan at WKOX > > > http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/50s/the-president-of-screen-actors- > guild-1952-001.jpg > > > Roy at Channel 7 > > > http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1966_leonard-roy-wnac_tv_boston > 2-e1329877976661.jpg > > > Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are > the > others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. > > > http://royleonard.com/wp-content/gallery/60s/1963_leonard_roy-wnac_tv_boston > 2-e1329877996430-1024x806.jpg > > > The blog can be seen here > > http://royleonard.com/ > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 11 12:18:35 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:18:35 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> References: <015801cd77c5$631510c0$293f3240$@garysicecream.com> <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Dan I found a Billboard 'Vox Jox' dated November 21,1964 that says Schwartz was hired by WNAC to do 7:20 to 1 AM. The same column also mentions Dave Rodman doing 4:15 to 6 PM. http://books.google.com/books?id=QCAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=jonathan+schwartz+wnac&source=bl&ots=WOrEhj9Hon&sig=Xibk7nFQKEhDZxTo-DDeGuJ1--I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PIEmUPiwKaje0QH1t4HYDA I am thinking you heard Schwartz's last weekend show in that kitchen in November as he was doing Saturday and Sunday afternoons before getting the night slot. In any event Roy was let go in 1967 and took a summer fill-in job at WGN that wound up lasting 40 years. I don't have many memories of WNAC in those years as my parents listened to WHDH almost 100%. Then 50 years ago this month I discovered WMEX as a 12 year old. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't have enough info to argue, but something seems to be the matter > with > the 1967 date. Gary is undoubtedly correct about the date of 680's flip > from > WNAC to WRKO, but maybe I was wrong about that date coinciding with the end > of the Roy, Jim, and Gus AM-drive program. I was under the impression that > Jonathan Schwartz's evening program on WNAC left the air at the same time > as > did Roy, Jim, and Gus. Maybe that wasn't the case. I am as positive as I > can > be that I listened to Schwartz's last program on WNAC in the kitchen of the > apartment my late wife and I occupied in Belmont before we moved to > Arlington on November 12, 1964. > > Another way of getting at the date of Schwartz's last show on WNAC might be > the date of the Sunny Liston-Mohammed Ali heavyweight title fight that took > place in (I think) Lewiston ME. Schwartz took off what would otherwise have > been his next-to-last show on WNAC to drive to Maine to see the fight. He > was back for his final show the following night. Since the date of the > fight > (late May 1965, according to a couple of hits at Google), was also after we > moved to Arlington, I guess that my memory of listening to Schwartz's last > 680 program in the kitchen of the Belmont apartment is just plain wrong. I > could have listened to Schwartz in that kitchen, but I couldn't have > listened to his last show on WNAC there. Sigh. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" < > gary@garysicecream.com> > To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:29 AM > Subject: RE: When Roy Leonard was in Boston > > > March 1967 >> >> Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA >> www.garysicecream.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@**tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-**bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.**org] >> On Behalf >> Of >> Dan.Strassberg >> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:54 PM >> To: Kevin Vahey; Boston Radio Group >> Subject: Re: When Roy Leonard was in Boston >> >> The WNAC morning show featured Roy (Leonard), Jim (Dixon), and Gus >> (Saunders). The show was called (naturally) Roy, Jim, and Gus. It ended >> when >> General Tire flipped WNAC to WRKO. I'm guessing at the year: 1962 maybe. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey >> To: Boston Radio Group >> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:12 PM >> Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston >> >> >> Roy Leonard who was a rising star at first WHDH and then WNAC was >> suddenly >> out of a job in 1967 when WNAC-AM became WRKO. He was hired by WGN >> Chicago >> and became a superstar. >> >> He has started a blog and he has posted pictures of his WKOX, WHDH and >> WNAC >> days. >> >> He was Channel 5's first 11 PM newscaster, >> >> >> http://royleonard.com/wp-**content/gallery/50s/** >> sc0004f782-e1328810067299.jpg >> >> >> Roy with Ronald Reagan at WKOX >> >> >> http://royleonard.com/wp-**content/gallery/50s/the-** >> president-of-screen-actors- >> guild-1952-001.jpg >> >> >> Roy at Channel 7 >> >> >> http://royleonard.com/wp-**content/gallery/60s/1966_** >> leonard-roy-wnac_tv_boston >> 2-e1329877976661.jpg >> >> >> Here is one for Donna - Roy with other WNAC jocks in the 60's - who are >> the >> others? I think Dave Rodman and Jim Dixon are in the pic. >> >> >> http://royleonard.com/wp-**content/gallery/60s/1963_** >> leonard_roy-wnac_tv_boston >> 2-e1329877996430-1024x806.jpg >> >> >> The blog can be seen here >> >> http://royleonard.com/ >> >> > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 11 12:30:37 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:30:37 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> References: <015801cd77c5$631510c0$293f3240$@garysicecream.com> <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <502688AD.4070200@donnahalper.com> On 8/11/2012 10:09 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't have enough info to argue, but something seems to be the > matter with > the 1967 date. Gary is undoubtedly correct about the date of 680's > flip from > WNAC to WRKO, Just as an FYI, I have the newspaper articles about the demise of the Yankee Network in late February 1967. It is an accurate date, as is the fact that WNAC changed call letters to WRKO in mid-March (March 13th, I believe). From Cdsull502@aol.com Sat Aug 11 14:25:33 2012 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: When Roy Leonard Was In Boston Message-ID: If it's any help, the Boston Globe Archives show a listing for "Roy and Jim" on WNAC the week of January 16, 1967. It also shows Roy Leonard doing an hour daily from 12:15 until 1 PM. Don't know what he did for that hour (music or interviews?). The Globe also notes that he left WNAC/WRKO officially on June 21, 1967 to work at WGN; his new program there to begin on July 3, 1967. Presumably, he was working in some capacity at WNAC-TV after WRKO began in March of 1967. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Aug 11 15:38:24 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:38:24 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston Message-ID: I recall Gus Saunders paired with Louise Morgan in the morning on WNAC. At one time Louise had her own show that started with her theme song an instrumental version of ?Every little breeze seems to whisper Louise?. This Frank Pourcell version was a staple on the Shulkee and Bonneville syndicated Beautiful music formats, I think I may still have the disc. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Aug 11 20:53:53 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:53:53 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wasn't keep track, but here's what I remember before I drove out of range of the signal: President Obama, Governor Romney, Governor Dean, Governor Palin, Mayor Menino, and a few I didn't recognize. -Bob On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Are the mis-statements mostly by lefties or righties? Seems like, if most > are by lefties, the new format is likely to be right-wing (basically what > 1200 has been doing since axing Katz and Severin). If the mis-statements > are > mostly by righties, the new format is likely to be "progressive talk." If > the mis-statements are pretty evenly divided between statements made by > righties and lefties, the new format is likely to feature hosts who offer a > variety of viewpoints. > > I haven't listened, but I think there's a good chance of the third option. > If CCU and Dial Global are unable to reach agreement on compensation, I > would expect that Premiere's Randi Rhodes would be the sole "progressive" > voice on what is mostly a right-wing talk station. If CCU and Dial Global > can reach some kind of agreement, I would also expect to also hear Ed > Schultz. If CCU and Dial Global can reach complete or near-complete > agreement, I would expect to also hear Stephanie Miller and possibly even > Thom Hartmann, but I doubt that there is much chance of complete or even > substantial agreement. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:14 AM > Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > > > WXKS 1200 playing nothing but political mis-statements, as "Gaffe >> 1200". There's a domain name saying the same thing >> plus Comedy1200.com redirects you to the Gaffe 1200 page, I believe. >> >> Possible all comedy format soon? If so, similar to Funny 850 (WTAR) in >> Norfolk VA, an all comedy station playing stand up >> routines (often by comics SHOUTING with audiences laughing heartily). >> Maybe that until yet another format, who knows >> what, sooner or later? Meanwhile if RKO is to debut Rush and Coast to >> Coast on Aug 21, it looks like they'll be off all week >> if the stunt continues. Their shows can be picked up on CC stations in >> Manchester, Providence, and Worcester, etc. >> > > From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 11 12:40:36 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:36 -0400 Subject: Scott Fybush Photo On Rachel Maddow Show Message-ID: <20120811164036.34170@gmx.com> Rachel Maddow does her show from NBCU World Headquarters, wherein must reside countless photos of television stations, either O&Os or NBC affiliates. Nonetheless, Friday night, 08/10, during her opening monlogue dealing with broadcast station files and campaign contributions being morphed into TV ads, the show chose a photo of channel "6" in Columbus, OH, and not just any photo, but one identified as being from the files of fybush.com! Rachel's unfailingly brilliant monolues at the top of the hour can last 15 minutes or so, therefore if you click on this URL, it isn't necessary to view the entire segment. After the 15-second commercial, the fybush.com image pops up at the 2:00 minute mark: http://www.msnbc.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#48621006 From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 11 12:31:56 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:31:56 -0400 Subject: WDER Now Operating on 92.1 FM Message-ID: <20120811163157.34150@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Laurence Glavin >Sent: 08/04/12 01:18 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: WDER Now Operating on 92.1 FM >Steve Mindich, owner of the Boston Phoenix and former owner of WFNX and WFEX will be the sole guest > of Emily Rooney on WGBH-TV Monday night, 08/06, at 7:00 pm...repeated at midnight and also available > for Comcast Customers On Demand. Replying to myself to note that Steve Mindich did appear on Emily Rooney's show; however the entire discussion dealt with Mr. Mindich's publishing career and an episode in his wife's life. Aside from a reference to the early days of WBUR's operation as a mainly news and information outlet, during which Steve was an arts reporter, there was no discussion of radio, specifically the sale of WFNX. I wonder if he made it a stipulation that WFNX be ignored before he consented to the interview. From brscomm@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 00:28:34 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:28:34 -0500 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <502688AD.4070200@donnahalper.com> References: <015801cd77c5$631510c0$293f3240$@garysicecream.com> <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> <502688AD.4070200@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <018201cd7842$f003fbe0$d00bf3a0$@yahoo.com> According to big68.org (the former wrko.org) the callsign change was mentioned in the Boston papers on March 8, 1967. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:31 AM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: When Roy Leonard was in Boston On 8/11/2012 10:09 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't have enough info to argue, but something seems to be the > matter with the 1967 date. Gary is undoubtedly correct about the date > of 680's flip from WNAC to WRKO, Just as an FYI, I have the newspaper articles about the demise of the Yankee Network in late February 1967. It is an accurate date, as is the fact that WNAC changed call letters to WRKO in mid-March (March 13th, I believe). From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 12 00:33:18 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:33:18 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5027320E.70908@attorneyross.com> On 8/11/2012 3:38 PM, Chris Hall wrote: > I recall Gus Saunders paired with Louise Morgan in the morning on WNAC. At one time Louise had her own show that started with > her theme song an instrumental version of ?Every little breeze seems to whisper Louise?. This Frank Pourcell version was a staple on the > Shulkee and Bonneville syndicated Beautiful music formats, I think I may still have the disc. I remember Louise Morgan on WNAC with a show that opened with her saying GOOD morning, this is Louise Morgan! My mother for some reason didn't like Louise Morgan, and she would rush to the radio to turn it off. One time she said, "Bye-Bye Louise Morgan" on the way. One time I asked my mother why she didn't like "Ouise Morgan." After correcting my pronunciation, she said it was because "she sounds like a hypocrite." That led to her having to explain to me what a hypocrite was. I don't think I understood her explanation. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 01:57:53 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:57:53 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a politician but talk host Bill O'Reilly's meltdown (with a couple bleeped words) is featured ("I can't read that (teleprompter); bleep it, we'll do it LIVE!") VP Biden (who was unaware a local political figure was in a wheelchair) urging him to stand up; "come on, stand up...oh God love you"). Bill Clinton's denial of sexual relations (then an admission); Reagan's mike check joke about bombing Russia, and Gov. Rick Perry's brain freeze moment in which he can't remember the third agency he'd eliminate, etc. (During that debate, he let out an "oops!" after someone had to remind him of it). There's also a Family Guy moment where Peter Griffin says it was a mistake to go hunting with Dick Cheney. After sound effects of gunfire, someone imitating Cheney says, "I'm sorry, I thought you were a deer." On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > I wasn't keep track, but here's what I remember > before I drove out of range of the signal: > > President Obama, Governor Romney, Governor Dean, Governor Palin, > Mayor Menino, and a few I didn't recognize. > > -Bob > > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: >> >> Are the mis-statements mostly by lefties or righties? Seems like, if most >> are by lefties, the new format is likely to be right-wing (basically what >> 1200 has been doing since axing Katz and Severin). If the mis-statements >> are >> mostly by righties, the new format is likely to be "progressive talk." If >> the mis-statements are pretty evenly divided between statements made by >> righties and lefties, the new format is likely to feature hosts who offer >> a >> variety of viewpoints. >> >> I haven't listened, but I think there's a good chance of the third option. >> If CCU and Dial Global are unable to reach agreement on compensation, I >> would expect that Premiere's Randi Rhodes would be the sole "progressive" >> voice on what is mostly a right-wing talk station. If CCU and Dial Global >> can reach some kind of agreement, I would also expect to also hear Ed >> Schultz. If CCU and Dial Global can reach complete or near-complete >> agreement, I would expect to also hear Stephanie Miller and possibly even >> Thom Hartmann, but I doubt that there is much chance of complete or even >> substantial agreement. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:14 AM >> Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >> >> >> >>> WXKS 1200 playing nothing but political mis-statements, as "Gaffe >>> 1200". There's a domain name saying the same thing >>> plus Comedy1200.com redirects you to the Gaffe 1200 page, I believe. >>> >>> Possible all comedy format soon? If so, similar to Funny 850 (WTAR) in >>> Norfolk VA, an all comedy station playing stand up >>> routines (often by comics SHOUTING with audiences laughing heartily). >>> Maybe that until yet another format, who knows >>> what, sooner or later? Meanwhile if RKO is to debut Rush and Coast to >>> Coast on Aug 21, it looks like they'll be off all week >>> if the stunt continues. Their shows can be picked up on CC stations in >>> Manchester, Providence, and Worcester, etc. >> >> > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Aug 12 02:13:36 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:13:36 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 03:48:56 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 03:48:56 -0400 Subject: When Roy Leonard was in Boston In-Reply-To: <018201cd7842$f003fbe0$d00bf3a0$@yahoo.com> References: <015801cd77c5$631510c0$293f3240$@garysicecream.com> <28DC9866EF244DEF9762E865C25E0D60@SatU205S5044> <502688AD.4070200@donnahalper.com> <018201cd7842$f003fbe0$d00bf3a0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: My recollection of the switch is that for about a month WNAC was a hybrid MOR/Top 40 outlet. The one announcer I am certain of during that phase was Ed Miller doing afternoons. The calls switched to WRKO during the transition phase. RKO General and IBEW went to war over the changeover and IBEW wound up striking shortly after WRKO started up. AFTRA honored the picket line and it got ugly. The strike knocked Arnie Ginsburg off the air and he never returned after the settlement as WMEX won their case. Donna knows the story of a WNEU person who got caught in the crossfire. On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Bill wrote: > According to big68.org (the former wrko.org) the callsign change was > mentioned in the Boston papers on March 8, 1967. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:31 AM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: When Roy Leonard was in Boston > > On 8/11/2012 10:09 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > I don't have enough info to argue, but something seems to be the > > matter with the 1967 date. Gary is undoubtedly correct about the date > > of 680's flip from WNAC to WRKO, > > Just as an FYI, I have the newspaper articles about the demise of the > Yankee > Network in late February 1967. It is an accurate date, as is the fact that > WNAC changed call letters to WRKO in mid-March (March 13th, I believe). > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 03:54:10 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 03:54:10 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Clear Channel does have the HA HA channel on IHeart On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format (comparable to > some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? > > --RC > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 12 03:34:42 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 03:34:42 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: I've known of stations that have tried an all comedy format, but I don't recall any of them lasting very long. Have any of them been successful in the long run? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Aug 12, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? > > --RC > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 09:45:04 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 09:45:04 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Supposedly (Lance Venta article on radioinsight) some stations like the one in Norfolk, VA (WTAR 850) have gotten good ratings and they've been on for over a year now. But what works elsewhere may not necessarily work here. There's also an FM in Kansas City MO area (which has been a translator for KCMO but is now "Funny 102.5") These sound similar to stations like Laff USA on XM/Sirius. Some think it may be all comedy till winter when maybe they can switch to Fox Sports. You will note AM stations (and some FMs) are going for sports, often network-only. Talk radio has devoted listeners who stay tuned for awhile (good time-spent-listening) Sports talk does too, and it can skew younger and maybe even a wide range of age groups. And I'd hate to think this is the case but maybe more people in this country would care about the National...Football...League (dut-dut-dut-duh!--Mon Night Football) than politics. (I will add that the TV version of MNF did feature an appearance by one Illinois Senator who stood proud for his Chicago Bears, putting on a cap and doing the dut-dut-dut-duh! theme. You know the guy I mean...well, Mr Obama sure knew that the way to voters' minds was to reach them through their devoted hobby and pastime: Sports....) So if WXKS AM runs comedy till January then goes Fox Sports or something...you'll know why. Or it could go political talk again, right or left, who knows (but if they were to stay conservative, why the stunt? Other than to maybe win over some curious listeners who tune in and wonder what's coming up eventually..Hmm.) From peteyq2@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 11:32:56 2012 From: peteyq2@gmail.com (Peter J. Sherman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:32:56 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: I have no idea if this was the first such station, but I think it was back in the early 80s, the station on 1150 in Gaithersburg, MD (northwest suburb of DC) ran a comedy format with the calls WJOK. Didn't last long, but that wasn't necessarily due to the format - this station had a mediocre signal and it was a bit of a revolving door for formats. Not sure what it runs now. On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Supposedly (Lance Venta article on radioinsight) some stations like > the one in Norfolk, VA > (WTAR 850) have gotten good ratings and they've been on for over a > year now. But what works elsewhere may not necessarily work here. > There's also an FM in Kansas City MO > area (which has been a translator for KCMO but is now "Funny 102.5") > > These sound similar to stations like Laff USA on XM/Sirius. > Some think it may be all comedy till winter when maybe they can switch > to Fox Sports. > You will note AM stations (and some FMs) are going for sports, often > network-only. Talk > radio has devoted listeners who stay tuned for awhile (good > time-spent-listening) Sports > talk does too, and it can skew younger and maybe even a wide range of > age groups. And I'd hate to think this is the case but maybe more > people in this country would care about the > National...Football...League (dut-dut-dut-duh!--Mon Night Football) > than politics. > > (I will add that the TV version of MNF did feature an appearance by > one Illinois Senator > who stood proud for his Chicago Bears, putting on a cap and doing the > dut-dut-dut-duh! theme. You know the guy I mean...well, Mr Obama sure > knew that the way to voters' > minds was to reach them through their devoted hobby and pastime: > > Sports....) > So if WXKS AM runs comedy till January then goes Fox Sports or > something...you'll > know why. Or it could go political talk again, right or left, who > knows (but if they were to > stay conservative, why the stunt? Other than to maybe win over some > curious listeners who tune in and wonder what's coming up > eventually..Hmm.) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 15:44:12 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:44:12 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Meanwhile the following from radioinsight,com: "Update 8/12: Add a few more domains for 1200 that give a clearer picture on the integration the new format will have in the cluster: MattyComedy1200.com, MattysComedy1200.com, and MattsComedy1200.com. Matty would be Matty Siegel, the longtime morning host at sister CHR ?Kiss 108? WXKS-FM who just happens to be promoting a ?MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT? on Monday at 8:30am." From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 12 16:10:50 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:10:50 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> I was the first to post at R-I.com about the possibility that Siegel's Monday announcement would be about a simulcast of his show on AM 1200, so I am not skeptical about that possibility. What I AM skeptical about is that these domain names are significant. Somebody is probably trying to make a few bucks by capturing domain names that CCU would be likely to want. Same thing happened shortly before the 101.7 announcement. I didn't even see a mention of the name of the domain-name service at which these names were reserved. Were they even reserved at the service that CCU customarily uses? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Peter J. Sherman" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > Meanwhile the following from radioinsight,com: > "Update 8/12: Add a few more domains for 1200 that give a clearer > picture on the integration the new format will have in the cluster: > MattyComedy1200.com, MattysComedy1200.com, and MattsComedy1200.com. > Matty would be Matty Siegel, the longtime morning host at sister CHR > ?Kiss 108? WXKS-FM who just happens to be promoting a ?MAJOR > ANNOUNCEMENT? on Monday at 8:30am." > From mward@iname.com Sun Aug 12 16:29:42 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:29:42 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Don't know about the domains or their legitimacy, but a station with a Matty simulcast surrounded by 24/7 Comedy Radio would make sense as a short term solution until, say, Fox Sports 1200 after the Sports Hub goes with their own network in January... On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I was the first to post at R-I.com about the possibility that Siegel's > Monday announcement would be about a simulcast of his show on AM 1200, so I > am not skeptical about that possibility. What I AM skeptical about is that > these domain names are significant. Somebody is probably trying to make a > few bucks by capturing domain names that CCU would be likely to want. Same > thing happened shortly before the 101.7 announcement. I didn't even see a > mention of the name of the domain-name service at which these names were > reserved. Were they even reserved at the service that CCU customarily uses? > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Peter J. Sherman" > Cc: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > > > Meanwhile the following from radioinsight,com: >> "Update 8/12: Add a few more domains for 1200 that give a clearer >> picture on the integration the new format will have in the cluster: >> MattyComedy1200.com, MattysComedy1200.com, and MattsComedy1200.com. >> Matty would be Matty Siegel, the longtime morning host at sister CHR >> ?Kiss 108? WXKS-FM who just happens to be promoting a ?MAJOR >> ANNOUNCEMENT? on Monday at 8:30am." >> >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 12 21:40:26 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:40:26 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Clear Channel reserved them http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/MattyComedy1200.com Domain Name: mattycomedy1200.com Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com Administrative Contact: DNS Hostmaster Clear Channel Identity, Inc. 20880 Stone Oak Parkway San Antonio TX 78258 US dns@clearchannel.com +1.2102535000 Fax: +1.2102535013 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: DNS Hostmaster Clear Channel Identity, Inc. 20880 Stone Oak Parkway San Antonio TX 78258 US dns@clearchannel.com +1.2102535000 Fax: +1.2102535013 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > I was the first to post at R-I.com about the possibility that Siegel's > Monday announcement would be about a simulcast of his show on AM 1200, so I > am not skeptical about that possibility. What I AM skeptical about is that > these domain names are significant. Somebody is probably trying to make a > few bucks by capturing domain names that CCU would be likely to want. Same > thing happened shortly before the 101.7 announcement. I didn't even see a > mention of the name of the domain-name service at which these names were > reserved. Were they even reserved at the service that CCU customarily uses? > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Peter J. Sherman" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > > >> Meanwhile the following from radioinsight,com: >> "Update 8/12: Add a few more domains for 1200 that give a clearer >> picture on the integration the new format will have in the cluster: >> MattyComedy1200.com, MattysComedy1200.com, and MattsComedy1200.com. >> Matty would be Matty Siegel, the longtime morning host at sister CHR >> ?Kiss 108? WXKS-FM who just happens to be promoting a ?MAJOR >> ANNOUNCEMENT? on Monday at 8:30am." >> > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 12 22:15:56 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:15:56 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Administrative Contact: > DNS Hostmaster > Clear Channel Identity, Inc. > 20880 Stone Oak Parkway > San Antonio TX 78258 > US > dns@clearchannel.com +1.2102535000 Fax: +1.2102535013 Hmmm. Like many large companies, they appear to be using the "Intellectual property subsidiary" tax-avoidance dodge. How many states does that still work in? -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 12 23:12:28 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:12:28 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format > (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 12 23:17:45 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:17:45 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <502871D9.1080901@attorneyross.com> On 8/12/2012 10:15 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Hmmm. Like many large companies, they appear to be using the > "Intellectual property subsidiary" tax-avoidance dodge. How many > states does that still work in? -GAWollman OK, what's an "intellectual property subsidiary." Actually, I can guess that it's a subsidiary corporation designed to hold the rights to intellectual property, but what is it for? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Aug 13 00:06:27 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1344830787.79528.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> A mostly satellite sports format on that signal probably would work. One of the major colleges is always looking for a place to air its football/basketball/hockey games. 1200 is a lot better option, signal-wise, than some of those networks have currently. If CC ran it mostly off the bird and brokered out time for whatever college sports (UMass/Harvard/BC/BU/Northeastern), they may do OK. From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 04:59:49 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:59:49 -0400 Subject: HGTV House hunters Cape Cod Message-ID: Just saw a new episode of HGTV?s House Hunters which features Cape Cod (it?s currently in Comcast On Demand) and the # 3 house for sale is in West Yarmouth and has the WXTK-FM tower just outside perimeter fence of its back yard. The buyer did not purchase this house, not because of the tower being there but it was mentioned. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 13 08:42:52 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:42:52 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> Well, the C in WRCA stood for Comedy. WRCA on 1330 in Waltham (NOT the same calls when they were on 660 in NYC) stood for Radio Comedy and Arts. It was an imaginative and occasionally quite entertaining format. The air staff included some really brilliant young talent. I wish I could remember the name of the young woman who did AM drive. She died (of cancer, IIRC) not long after the demise of the format on 1330. I believe that, prior to WRCA, she had done stand-up in Boston and elsewhere and had also done quite a bit of V/O work. You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only the best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of CCU), the format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets within a year or so or a bit longer. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: A Joseph Ross To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:12 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format > (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 10:52:23 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:52:23 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> Message-ID: Dan You are thinking of Marcia Masters - hard to believe she has been gone 9 years http://www.meatballmedia.com/marcia.htm On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, the C in WRCA stood for Comedy. WRCA on 1330 in Waltham (NOT the > same calls when they were on 660 in NYC) stood for Radio Comedy and Arts. > It was an imaginative and occasionally quite entertaining format. The air > staff included some really brilliant young talent. I wish I could remember > the name of the young woman who did AM drive. She died (of cancer, IIRC) > not long after the demise of the format on 1330. I believe that, prior to > WRCA, she had done stand-up in Boston and elsewhere and had also done quite > a bit of V/O work. > > You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer > chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with > their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only the > best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of CCU), the > format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets within a year > or so or a bit longer. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > > On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > > > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format > > (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? > > I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it > before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some > actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 13 11:00:10 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:00:10 -0400 Subject: Marcia Masters Message-ID: Was the name I could not remember of the very talented young woman who did AM drive (I believe that was her shift) in the Radio Comedy Arts format on the old WRCA Waltham in the late '80s and possibly early '90s. I believe she grew up in Sharon MA. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 13 11:15:12 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:15:12 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com><5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com><2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> Hi, Kevin. Thank you. I remembered and sent off a message a couple of minutes before I received yours. Looks as if my message hasn't gone out to the list yet, though. It's gonna appear that I sent my message only after you jogged my memory and I didn't have the courtesy to say thank you. I was a big fan of Marcia's. Big loss to comedy and radio fans in New England. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: A Joseph Ross ; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 Dan You are thinking of Marcia Masters - hard to believe she has been gone 9 years http://www.meatballmedia.com/marcia.htm On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: Well, the C in WRCA stood for Comedy. WRCA on 1330 in Waltham (NOT the same calls when they were on 660 in NYC) stood for Radio Comedy and Arts. It was an imaginative and occasionally quite entertaining format. The air staff included some really brilliant young talent. I wish I could remember the name of the young woman who did AM drive. She died (of cancer, IIRC) not long after the demise of the format on 1330. I believe that, prior to WRCA, she had done stand-up in Boston and elsewhere and had also done quite a bit of V/O work. You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only the best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of CCU), the format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets within a year or so or a bit longer. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: A Joseph Ross To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:12 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format > (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 11:23:14 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:23:14 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> Message-ID: She moved to Westford after she married. I remember her work on WBCN with Charles on 'The Big Mattress'. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > ** > Hi, Kevin. Thank you. I remembered and sent off a message a couple of > minutes before I received yours. Looks as if my message hasn't gone out to > the list yet, though. It's gonna appear that I sent my message only after > you jogged my memory and I didn't have the courtesy to say thank you. I was > a big fan of Marcia's. Big loss to comedy and radio fans in New England. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kevin Vahey > *To:* Dan.Strassberg > *Cc:* A Joseph Ross ; > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 10:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > Dan > > You are thinking of Marcia Masters - hard to believe she has been gone 9 > years > http://www.meatballmedia.com/marcia.htm > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Well, the C in WRCA stood for Comedy. WRCA on 1330 in Waltham (NOT the >> same calls when they were on 660 in NYC) stood for Radio Comedy and Arts. >> It was an imaginative and occasionally quite entertaining format. The air >> staff included some really brilliant young talent. I wish I could remember >> the name of the young woman who did AM drive. She died (of cancer, IIRC) >> not long after the demise of the format on 1330. I believe that, prior to >> WRCA, she had done stand-up in Boston and elsewhere and had also done quite >> a bit of V/O work. >> >> You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer >> chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with >> their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only the >> best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of CCU), the >> format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets within a year >> or so or a bit longer. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:12 PM >> Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >> >> >> On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> > Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format >> > (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? >> >> I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it >> before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some >> actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >> > > From atolz@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 11:28:43 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:28:43 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Marcia was a unique talent and a good friend. I produced many of the parody songs she did for both Charles and Jerry Williams. We also had the good fortune of working with her on a TV parody review we co-wrote called "Don't Touch That Dial". Alan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > She moved to Westford after she married. > > I remember her work on WBCN with Charles on 'The Big Mattress'. > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> ** >> Hi, Kevin. Thank you. I remembered and sent off a message a couple of >> minutes before I received yours. Looks as if my message hasn't gone out to >> the list yet, though. It's gonna appear that I sent my message only after >> you jogged my memory and I didn't have the courtesy to say thank you. I was >> a big fan of Marcia's. Big loss to comedy and radio fans in New England. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg >> e-fax 707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Kevin Vahey >> *To:* Dan.Strassberg >> *Cc:* A Joseph Ross ; >> boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 10:52 AM >> *Subject:* Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >> >> Dan >> >> You are thinking of Marcia Masters - hard to believe she has been gone 9 >> years >> http://www.meatballmedia.com/marcia.htm >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >>> Well, the C in WRCA stood for Comedy. WRCA on 1330 in Waltham (NOT the >>> same calls when they were on 660 in NYC) stood for Radio Comedy and Arts. >>> It was an imaginative and occasionally quite entertaining format. The air >>> staff included some really brilliant young talent. I wish I could remember >>> the name of the young woman who did AM drive. She died (of cancer, IIRC) >>> not long after the demise of the format on 1330. I believe that, prior to >>> WRCA, she had done stand-up in Boston and elsewhere and had also done quite >>> a bit of V/O work. >>> >>> You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer >>> chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with >>> their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only the >>> best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of CCU), the >>> format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets within a year >>> or so or a bit longer. >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg >>> e-fax 707-215-6367 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: A Joseph Ross >>> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >>> >>> >>> On 8/12/2012 2:13 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any chance they might actually try a comedy format >>>> (comparable to some of the comedy channels on Sirius/XM)? >>> >>> I seem to remember that other stations in this market have tried it >>> before. I don't recall that any of them lasted long. But with some >>> actual promotion and a strong signal, maybe it would work. >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 >>> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >> >> From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 12:57:05 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:57:05 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Message-ID: I remember Marcia from the 1510 days: "Stay on Top, WMRE". I mostly listened to Morgan or to Bob Katzen etc 1200 is definitely all comedy now as "Matty's Comedy 1200". Whether it shifts later to Fox Sports etc who knows. Meanwhile, Clear Channel added WOR in NYC to its shopping bag (new home for Rush?) and they could be LMA-ing it by Wed. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: > Marcia was a unique talent and a good friend. I produced many of the parody songs she did for both Charles and Jerry Williams. We also had the good fortune of working with her on a TV parody review we co-wrote called "Don't Touch That Dial". From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Aug 13 13:01:03 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:01:03 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Message-ID: <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> Not trying to be a killjoy here, but comedy as a format has a noble history of being tried and then failing miserably in the ratings. People like a particular comedy routine or even a live show at a club, but a steady diet of comedy has no history of being successful. (Plus, some of the funniest club routines use language you can't use on radio.) I love Matty, but I wonder if this too isn't a placeholder for something else down the line. From atolz@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 13:11:33 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:11:33 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com><5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com><2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224><0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224><40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Message-ID: That's right...Bob and Morgan were two co-writers on "Don't Touch That Dial, along with Jon Aldrich, a teacher at Berklee and a very talented musician and writer. Some of the things we did with Marcia cross-polinated to those WMRE night time shows. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >I remember Marcia from the 1510 days: "Stay on Top, WMRE". I mostly > listened to Morgan or to Bob Katzen etc > > 1200 is definitely all comedy now as "Matty's Comedy 1200". Whether it > shifts later to Fox Sports etc who knows. Meanwhile, Clear Channel > added WOR in NYC to its shopping bag (new home for Rush?) and they > could be LMA-ing it by Wed. > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Alan Tolz wrote: >> Marcia was a unique talent and a good friend. I produced many of the >> parody songs she did for both Charles and Jerry Williams. We also had >> the good fortune of working with her on a TV parody review we co-wrote >> called "Don't Touch That Dial". > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 13 13:45:03 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:03 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <502871D9.1080901@attorneyross.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <502871D9.1080901@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20521.15647.572251.368093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 8/12/2012 10:15 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Hmmm. Like many large companies, they appear to be using the >> "Intellectual property subsidiary" tax-avoidance dodge. How many >> states does that still work in? -GAWollman > OK, what's an "intellectual property subsidiary." Actually, I can guess > that it's a subsidiary corporation designed to hold the rights to > intellectual property, but what is it for? For avoiding taxes. The subsidiary is incorporated in a state that does not tax royalty income (e.g., Delaware[1]), and all the other parts of the company pay "licensing" fees to this subsidiary, which historically counted as bona fide expenses and thus reduced the other subsidiaries' tax liability. States have started cracking down on this, although I don't know exactly how -- presumably by excluding such intracorporate transfers from expenses for tax purposes. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 13:59:59 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:59:59 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Message-ID: I saw Don't Touch that Dial at the Charles playhouse. They spoofed stuff like Chet and Natalie and the one and only Bobby Boris Pickett played Archie Bunker. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > That's right...Bob and Morgan were two co-writers on "Don't Touch That Dial, > along with Jon Aldrich, a teacher at Berklee and a very talented musician > and writer. > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 13 14:01:20 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:01:20 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20521.16624.767324.974694@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Not trying to be a killjoy here, but comedy as a format has a noble > history of being tried and then failing miserably in the ratings. On the other hand, BBC Radio 4 is extraordinarily successful with comedy and satire[1] as an important part of a larger overall spoken-word format. A big part of that, of course, is that they keep it fresh by commissioning new series every six weeks, something that I doubt any U.S. broadcaster would ever take a chance on. I am a bit dubious that an all-comedy format can be a long-term success, and I don't think commercial interests would really allow for better spoken-word formats than currently exist here. (Certainly NPR member stations have shown no interest in filling that void -- quite to the contrary!) -GAWollman [1] And those shows regularly win Sony Radio Awards, which are the British equivalent of the NAB's Marconi awards. Something just a little bit ironic in that naming.... From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 13 14:04:17 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <20521.15647.572251.368093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <6937751B31174CEFA83A87F46198C516@SatU205S5044> <20520.25436.582927.652019@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <502871D9.1080901@attorneyross.com> <20521.15647.572251.368093@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20521.16801.685952.846310@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < For avoiding taxes. The subsidiary is incorporated in a state that > does not tax royalty income (e.g., Delaware[1]), and all the other ...and left out the footnote. Oops! Here it is, for whatever it's worth: [1] Hence the original name of these things, "Delaware Intellectual Property LLCs". They were first seen, as far as I know, in franchise restaurants, where there is perhaps a bit better justification for the practice (since the restaurants aren't co-owned with the franchisor, and would be paying the licensing fees to someone anyway, so it's not a sham). -GAWollman From atolz@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 14:31:56 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:31:56 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com><5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com><2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224><0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224><40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> Message-ID: <77A65C0ECF47448BAA2EE6F185C0FB9B@mediacenter> Yep...others in that cast were Jim Flaherty - he was Andy Rooney, Johnny Most, and bunch of other voices...Mark Waldstein, who is better known as "Mr. Cheap" from his travel books, Val Bryce and Margaret Brady. We wrote it as a take on "Forbidden Broadway" for TV, and strangely, some of those 'politically incorrect' parodies came true! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >I saw Don't Touch that Dial at the Charles playhouse. They spoofed > stuff like Chet and Natalie and the one and only Bobby Boris Pickett > played Archie Bunker. > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: >> That's right...Bob and Morgan were two co-writers on "Don't Touch That >> Dial, >> along with Jon Aldrich, a teacher at Berklee and a very talented musician >> and writer. >> >> > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Aug 13 11:07:13 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: CLEAR CHANNEL BUYS WOR Message-ID: This is being reported on Radio-Info today. http://www.radio-info.com/?utm_source=Subscribers&utm_campaign=27275071b8-Breaking_News_August_13_20128_13_2012&utm_medium=email From scott@fybush.com Mon Aug 13 14:29:15 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:29:15 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> On 8/13/2012 1:01 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Not trying to be a killjoy here, but comedy as a format has a noble > history of being tried and then failing miserably in the ratings. People > like a particular comedy routine or even a live show at a club, but a > steady diet of comedy has no history of being successful. (Plus, some > of the funniest club routines use language you can't use on radio.) I > love Matty, but I wonder if this too isn't a placeholder for something > else down the line. Times have changed. Many of those previous attempts were at standalone stations (cf. WJOK, WRCA), and it's quite true that comedy on its own couldn't sustain an independent station, even a small AM one. The guys behind the "Comedy 24/7" service that's running on 1200 came along at the right time, though: they're pitching their service to the number-six signal in any given cluster. If you've already got three FMs carrying mass-appeal music formats and a bigger AM doing news-talk and maybe another AM doing sports, what else are you going to do with that throwaway signal at the bottom of the pile? Where it's been tried so far, especially on HD2/translator combos in Kansas City and Austin, the comedy format has turned out to be a nice bonus addition to a cluster programming strategy. It attracts younger listeners who wouldn't ever hit that "number-six station" if it were carrying more satellite-fed third-tier talk or sports or standards, and at least in KC it came out of the box with something like a 2.5 share...on a TRANSLATOR! Comedy 1200 isn't going to be the next Kiss 108, but I have a hunch it will do better for CC, sales-wise, than "Fox Sports 1200" would do. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 13 15:59:23 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:59:23 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net><502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> Message-ID: I wonder how well CCU has tested (focus groups, etc) THIS incarnation of 24/7 comedy. At my age, nobody in the biz is going to listen to me, but I believe that what I've heard so far on Comedy 1200 has several problems: Virtually all of the cuts are by male comedians and a very high percentage of the male comedians are white. For sure, we need more female voices and ethnic minorities. And they ought to slow down--a lot! After 20 minutes, I feel as if I've been listening for eight hours. If TSL is important (and supposedly, it is), why make the listener feel as though he has been listening all day after only 20 minutes or so? Also, I assume that the total absence of music is a royalty thing. Some comedy music (Tom Lehrer, for example) would be very welcome--at least to these ears. Also, I've heard nothing from the Goon Shows. ----- Dan Strassberg e-fax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:29 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 On 8/13/2012 1:01 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Not trying to be a killjoy here, but comedy as a format has a noble > history of being tried and then failing miserably in the ratings. People > like a particular comedy routine or even a live show at a club, but a > steady diet of comedy has no history of being successful. (Plus, some > of the funniest club routines use language you can't use on radio.) I > love Matty, but I wonder if this too isn't a placeholder for something > else down the line. Times have changed. Many of those previous attempts were at standalone stations (cf. WJOK, WRCA), and it's quite true that comedy on its own couldn't sustain an independent station, even a small AM one. The guys behind the "Comedy 24/7" service that's running on 1200 came along at the right time, though: they're pitching their service to the number-six signal in any given cluster. If you've already got three FMs carrying mass-appeal music formats and a bigger AM doing news-talk and maybe another AM doing sports, what else are you going to do with that throwaway signal at the bottom of the pile? Where it's been tried so far, especially on HD2/translator combos in Kansas City and Austin, the comedy format has turned out to be a nice bonus addition to a cluster programming strategy. It attracts younger listeners who wouldn't ever hit that "number-six station" if it were carrying more satellite-fed third-tier talk or sports or standards, and at least in KC it came out of the box with something like a 2.5 share...on a TRANSLATOR! Comedy 1200 isn't going to be the next Kiss 108, but I have a hunch it will do better for CC, sales-wise, than "Fox Sports 1200" would do. From atolz@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 15:32:41 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <20120813191912.113030@gmx.com> References: <20120813191912.113030@gmx.com> Message-ID: I would use him as GHW Bush and Billy West as Reagan for Jerry. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:19 PM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > Yes! I remember Flaherty doing regular impressions on Jerry's show and he also was on with Brudnoy at least once (I called in). He would imitate Dukakis: "We'll look at the numbers and talk to the people. And then we'll look at the people and talk to the numbers." > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alan Tolz >> Sent: 08/13/12 02:31 PM >> To: Bob Nelson >> Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >> >> >> Yep...others in that cast were Jim Flaherty - he was Andy Rooney, Johnny >> Most, and bunch of other voices...Mark Waldstein, who is better known as >> "Mr. Cheap" from his travel books, Val Bryce and Margaret Brady. We wrote >> it as a take on "Forbidden Broadway" for TV, and strangely, some of those >> 'politically incorrect' parodies came true! >> >> Alan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Alan Tolz" >> Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:59 PM >> Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >> >> >> >I saw Don't Touch that Dial at the Charles playhouse. They spoofed >> > stuff like Chet and Natalie and the one and only Bobby Boris Pickett >> > played Archie Bunker. >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: >> >> That's right...Bob and Morgan were two co-writers on "Don't Touch That >> >> Dial, >> >> along with Jon Aldrich, a teacher at Berklee and a very talented musician >> >> and writer. >> >> >> >> >> > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Aug 13 16:16:22 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:16:22 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> Message-ID: I'll second Dan's impression and add a little more. I could take about fifteen minutes of Matty1200, then I had enough. (1) I think a certain part of seeing a comedy act is, well, seeing it. It's not the same listening to it on low-bandwidth crackly static-filled AM radio. (2) A large group of people listen to news everyday and this might explain why they listen to talk/news radio. I don't know anyone that watches/listens to/follows comedy everyday; but maybe that's just me. (3) While listening to news/talk, the issues are current and changing. Listening to previously recorded comedy routines would seem to get stale. (Why doesn't music get stale?). Music doesn't require as much attention as listening to talk. While some songs may stand out, other songs are just background (especially on WHBA). If this works, more power to them. I don't see it doing any better than what they had in Talk1200, which was about even or maybe a little better ratings-wise than the Spanish format. It seems like they should have at least 1200 run out through the election while a few more people might be following politics. -Bob On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I wonder how well CCU has tested (focus groups, etc) THIS incarnation of > 24/7 comedy. At my age, nobody in the biz is going to listen to me, but I > believe that what I've heard so far on Comedy 1200 has several problems: > Virtually all of the cuts are by male comedians and a very high percentage > of the male comedians are white. For sure, we need more female voices and > ethnic minorities. And they ought to slow down--a lot! After 20 minutes, I > feel as if I've been listening for eight hours. If TSL is important (and > supposedly, it is), why make the listener feel as though he has been > listening all day after only 20 minutes or so? > > Also, I assume that the total absence of music is a royalty thing. Some > comedy music (Tom Lehrer, for example) would be very welcome--at least to > these ears. Also, I've heard nothing from the Goon Shows. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg > e-fax 707-215-6367 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Fybush > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 > > > On 8/13/2012 1:01 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > Not trying to be a killjoy here, but comedy as a format has a noble > > history of being tried and then failing miserably in the ratings. > People > > like a particular comedy routine or even a live show at a club, but a > > steady diet of comedy has no history of being successful. (Plus, some > > of the funniest club routines use language you can't use on radio.) I > > love Matty, but I wonder if this too isn't a placeholder for something > > else down the line. > > Times have changed. Many of those previous attempts were at standalone > stations (cf. WJOK, WRCA), and it's quite true that comedy on its own > couldn't sustain an independent station, even a small AM one. > > The guys behind the "Comedy 24/7" service that's running on 1200 came > along at the right time, though: they're pitching their service to the > number-six signal in any given cluster. If you've already got three FMs > carrying mass-appeal music formats and a bigger AM doing news-talk and > maybe another AM doing sports, what else are you going to do with that > throwaway signal at the bottom of the pile? > > Where it's been tried so far, especially on HD2/translator combos in > Kansas City and Austin, the comedy format has turned out to be a nice > bonus addition to a cluster programming strategy. It attracts younger > listeners who wouldn't ever hit that "number-six station" if it were > carrying more satellite-fed third-tier talk or sports or standards, and > at least in KC it came out of the box with something like a 2.5 > share...on a TRANSLATOR! > > Comedy 1200 isn't going to be the next Kiss 108, but I have a hunch it > will do better for CC, sales-wise, than "Fox Sports 1200" would do. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 13 15:19:11 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:11 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 Message-ID: <20120813191912.113030@gmx.com> Yes! I remember Flaherty doing regular impressions on Jerry's show and he also was on with Brudnoy at least once (I called in). He would imitate Dukakis: "We'll look at the numbers and talk to the people. And then we'll look at the people and talk to the numbers." ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Tolz Sent: 08/13/12 02:31 PM To: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 Yep...others in that cast were Jim Flaherty - he was Andy Rooney, Johnny Most, and bunch of other voices...Mark Waldstein, who is better known as "Mr. Cheap" from his travel books, Val Bryce and Margaret Brady. We wrote it as a take on "Forbidden Broadway" for TV, and strangely, some of those 'politically incorrect' parodies came true! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Alan Tolz" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Re: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 >I saw Don't Touch that Dial at the Charles playhouse. They spoofed > stuff like Chet and Natalie and the one and only Bobby Boris Pickett > played Archie Bunker. > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: >> That's right...Bob and Morgan were two co-writers on "Don't Touch That >> Dial, >> along with Jon Aldrich, a teacher at Berklee and a very talented musician >> and writer. >> >> > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Aug 13 11:07:13 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: CLEAR CHANNEL BUYS WOR Message-ID: This is being reported on Radio-Info today. http://www.radio-info.com/?utm_source=Subscribers&utm_campaign=27275071b8-Breaking_News_August_13_20128_13_2012&utm_medium=email From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 17:04:59 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:04:59 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> Message-ID: I don't think Fox Sports (or ESPN for that matter) is really intended to be run full time in major markets that have their own big professional sports teams. Fox, ESPN, and Yahoo talk constantly about college sports, which as Mike Adams on WEEI would say, nobody in Boston gives a rat's (rear end) about... These networks are on stations all over the south and midwest where people can't get enough college sports. These cities also probably would not be able to support local shows. I'd be very surprised if we ever see "Fox Sports 1200." If we do, I'll bet a good amount of money that it does worse than "Talk 1200" did. Boston is a huge city for comedy. They made the right choice in format, giving it's success on translators in other places. It's not a stunt... Jeff Lehmann On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Comedy 1200 isn't going to be the next Kiss 108, but I have a hunch it will do better for CC, sales-wise, than "Fox Sports 1200" would do. From markwats@comcast.net Mon Aug 13 18:13:20 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:13:20 -0400 Subject: Johnny Pesky Has Passed Message-ID: Legendary and beloved Red Sox figure Johnny Pesky passed away today at the age of 92. Pesky was a player, coach, manager, front office executive, goodwill ambassador and broadcaster during his many yearsn with the Red Sox organization. If I recall he was paired with Ken Coleman when WBZ-TV took over the Sox telecasts in 1972. Link to article on the Boston Herald website: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20220813sox_legend_johnny_pesky_dead_at_92/srvc=home&position=0 Mark Watson From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 22:54:37 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:54:37 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net><502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5029BDED.5020204@attorneyross.com> On 8/13/2012 3:59 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I wonder how well CCU has tested (focus groups, etc) THIS incarnation of 24/7 comedy. At my age, nobody in the biz is going to listen to me, but I believe that what I've heard so far on Comedy 1200 has several problems: Virtually all of the cuts are by male comedians and a very high percentage of the male comedians are white. For sure, we need more female voices and ethnic minorities. And they ought to slow down--a lot! After 20 minutes, I feel as if I've been listening for eight hours. If TSL is important (and supposedly, it is), why make the listener feel as though he has been listening all day after only 20 minutes or so? > > Also, I assume that the total absence of music is a royalty thing. Some comedy music (Tom Lehrer, for example) would be very welcome--at least to these ears. Also, I've heard nothing from the Goon Shows. And Allan Sherman. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 13 22:46:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:46:36 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> Message-ID: <5029BC0C.1010005@attorneyross.com> On 8/13/2012 8:42 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > You can bet that CCU's version of a comedy format will take many fewer > chances than WRCA's did. CCU has a reputation for playing it safe with > their on-air product. If they stick with comedy cuts recorded by only > the best known and highest-paid talent (which is what I expect of > CCU), the format will become stale and will be pulled in most markets > within a year or so or a bit longer. On the other hand, in my admittedly limited experience, a lot of experimental comedy isn't funny. And it often isn't fit for broadcast, even in these easy-going days. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Aug 14 08:46:18 2012 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:46:18 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: <5029BDED.5020204@attorneyross.com> References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> <5029BDED.5020204@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 8/13/2012 3:59 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > If TSL is important (and supposedly, it is), why make the listener feel >> as though he has been listening all day after only 20 minutes or so? >> >> Also, I assume that the total absence of music is a royalty thing. Some >> comedy music (Tom Lehrer, for example) would be very welcome--at least to >> these ears. Also, I've heard nothing from the Goon Shows. >> > > And Allan Sherman. > > But is TSLwhat they're looking for here? I'm guessing they're aiming for cume instead, with fast-paced highlights as opposed to long comedy routines. I'm not sure that 50 year old comedy bits is the best way to attract a demographically desirable audience today. So much of comedy's appeal is in being contemporary....someone telling Nixon jokes isn't gonna cut it with someone who wasn't even born when he resigned. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 13:38:23 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:38:23 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> <5029BDED.5020204@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Which is why it sounds like they're running stuff from more recent comedians, more than a few of whom I have never heard of. To be honest if they were to go after older folks or those getting olider, they could run standards/pop a la WJIB, or True Oldies. > I'm not sure that 50 year old comedy bits is the best way to attract a > demographically desirable audience today. So much of comedy's appeal is in > being contemporary....someone telling Nixon jokes isn't gonna cut it with > someone who wasn't even born when he resigned. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:02:41 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:02:41 -0400 Subject: RIP Tighe Jensen Message-ID: Tighe did commercials for many clients on Cape Cod http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120813/NEWS11/120819926 From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 15:26:52 2012 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RIP Tighe Jensen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1344972412.8185.YahooMailNeo@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Kein Vahey wrote, >Tighe did commercials for many clients on Cape Cod >http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120813/NEWS11/120819926 ? ??? He was the brother of former WBZ (AM), WCBS-FM and WBT news anchor Gregg Jensen, and the son of long-time WNAC and Yankee Network newsman Leif Jensen, who died very recently. The Cape Cod Times says Tighe worked in radio in New Hampshire, but doesn't say at which stations, and started in radio doing voices, bits, etc., on the Dale Dorman show, but doesn't say when that was. From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 15:27:39 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RIP Tighe Jensen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1344972459.35188.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Is he Leif Jensen's son? I saw that name in Leif's obituary back in June. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: RIP Tighe Jensen Tighe did commercials for many clients on Cape Cod http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120813/NEWS11/120819926 From lsochrin@rcn.com Tue Aug 14 15:42:01 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:01 -0400 Subject: CLEAR CHANNEL BUYS WOR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I sure hope that they don't try to do a Gaffe 710! I grew up in NYC, and I'd hate to subject New Yorkers to even a weekend of something like that! Luckily, there's no hint of a planned transition to comedy, given WOR's long history of talk. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 15 00:33:06 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:33:06 -0400 Subject: 1200 stunting as Gaffe 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <50274990.1040706@gabrielmass.com> <5028709C.8070707@attorneyross.com> <2901C4E5A97B445E84FAA8EA2AD45782@PC281321418224> <0BF2C45587C14D4BB21AF563DBD67AFB@PC281321418224> <40222631-5943-4267-A4B6-EC3E2B356B84@comcast.net> <502932CF.8020106@donnahalper.com> <5029477B.5010508@fybush.com> <5029BDED.5020204@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <502B2682.1070707@attorneyross.com> On 8/14/2012 8:46 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I'm not sure that 50 year old comedy bits is the best way to attract a > demographically desirable audience today. So much of comedy's appeal > is in being contemporary....someone telling Nixon jokes isn't gonna > cut it with someone who wasn't even born when he resigned. Topical humor tends to get dated, but there is a lot that is timeless. Bill Cosby's Noah, for example. Or almost all of Jack Benny's work. Once in the 1980s, I happened to be in the Student Union building at UMass Amherst, and I heard Tom Lehrer coming from somewhere. I followed the sound and found a student government office, where a student, who was wearing a Michael Jackson T-shirt, working on some papers and listening to Tom Lehrer on a cassette player. Most of that, too, is timeless. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.|92 State Street|Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856|http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Sat Aug 18 04:57:39 2012 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 04:57:39 -0400 Subject: WPRO Blaw Knox self supporting towers Message-ID: <0FFB1EB89C2449428AF2D0898264ADB6@chrisHP> During the late 90?s when I last visited WPRO I noticed that the current AM towers were mounted on one corner of the bases of what are definitely the cement structures designed for Blaw Knox self supporting towers, the exact same as poured for WCOP in Lexington. If you look on the WPRO home page it brings up Google maps with a perfect view of the old tower bases as the are configured today, being on 630 those self supporters must have been huge. Was the change to guyed towers a result of Hurricane Carol in 1954? I doubt they were on the Wampanoag Trail during the Hurricane of 38. From what I understand WJAR was in Rumford in 38. Anyone have the story behind this. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 18 09:49:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:49:01 -0400 Subject: WPRO Blaw Knox self supporting towers In-Reply-To: <0FFB1EB89C2449428AF2D0898264ADB6@chrisHP> References: <0FFB1EB89C2449428AF2D0898264ADB6@chrisHP> Message-ID: WPRO's original transmitter site was in Cranston and was destroyed in 1938 at which point they moved to East Providence, On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > During the late 90?s when I last visited WPRO I noticed that the current > AM towers were mounted on one corner of the bases of > what are definitely the cement structures designed for Blaw Knox self > supporting towers, the exact same as poured for WCOP in Lexington. > If you look on the WPRO home page it brings up Google maps with a perfect > view of the old tower bases as the are configured today, being on 630 > those self supporters must have been huge. Was the change to guyed towers > a result of Hurricane Carol in 1954? I doubt they were on the > Wampanoag Trail during the Hurricane of 38. From what I understand WJAR > was in Rumford in 38. Anyone have the story behind this. > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sat Aug 18 12:17:00 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:17:00 -0400 Subject: WPRO Blaw Knox self supporting towers References: <0FFB1EB89C2449428AF2D0898264ADB6@chrisHP> Message-ID: <9F30E47F850844478F1D23F23AADCE34@YOURbcbbe822ed> I'm familiar with Blaw Knox as a maker of paving machinery. I get the impression BW began in the radio tower business. What a switch. Here's more than you ever wanted to know, but pretty interesting. http://hawkins.pair.com/blaw-knox.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaw-Knox_tower ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Chris Hall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:49 AM Subject: Re: WPRO Blaw Knox self supporting towers WPRO's original transmitter site was in Cranston and was destroyed in 1938 at which point they moved to East Providence, On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > During the late 90?s when I last visited WPRO I noticed that the current > AM towers were mounted on one corner of the bases of > what are definitely the cement structures designed for Blaw Knox self > supporting towers, the exact same as poured for WCOP in Lexington. > If you look on the WPRO home page it brings up Google maps with a perfect > view of the old tower bases as the are configured today, being on 630 > those self supporters must have been huge. Was the change to guyed towers > a result of Hurricane Carol in 1954? I doubt they were on the > Wampanoag Trail during the Hurricane of 38. From what I understand WJAR > was in Rumford in 38. Anyone have the story behind this. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 20 11:09:21 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:09:21 -0400 Subject: WTKK accenting news coverage Message-ID: Greater Media registered a bunch of domains recently for WTKK which accented words like "News" and "Boston". Apparently they are now doing traffic and weather every 15 minutes and a top of the hour liner says "Connecting you to Boston New England and the world... 969bostontalks.com. Your news, now". They also talk of the "24 hour 96.9 newsroom". It may not quite be all news on FM--the talk shows are still the accent--but I'm guessing they're going after WBZ in terms of courting those hungry for news content, up to the minute. From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 20 13:10:29 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:10:29 -0400 Subject: WTKK accenting news coverage/Barry Scott tease Message-ID: <20120820171029.113030@gmx.com> Actually it may just be accenting what they already have, in an attempt to go after WRKO and WBZ listeners. Also Barry Scott is hinting on his facebook and Lost45.com pages that a big announcement will come tomorrow. Who knows, maybe a new home for his show... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 20 15:20:19 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:20:19 -0400 Subject: WTKK accenting news coverage/Barry Scott tease In-Reply-To: <20120820171029.113030@gmx.com> References: <20120820171029.113030@gmx.com> Message-ID: The latest is Barry is teasing "I'll be back in .7" (Greater's WROR 105.7 or WMJX 106.7? CC's WHBA 101.7? CBS' WZLX 100.7---naah!) Hints...ROR most likely On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Actually it may just be accenting what they already have, in an attempt to > go after WRKO and WBZ listeners. > Also Barry Scott is hinting on his facebook and Lost45.com pages that a big > announcement will come > tomorrow. Who knows, maybe a new home for his show... From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Aug 21 02:08:26 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:08:26 -0400 Subject: Needham antenna work? Message-ID: <503325DA.9040707@gabrielmass.com> Can anyone comment on the status of antenna work in Needham? Are any of the affected stations off the air? --RC From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Aug 21 08:45:22 2012 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:45:22 -0400 Subject: Needham antenna work? In-Reply-To: <503325DA.9040707@gabrielmass.com> References: <503325DA.9040707@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: An easy answer can be found here, at least for WGBH: http://www.wgbh.org/articles/Work-May-Affect-WGBH-2-Signal-5979 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Can anyone comment on the status of antenna work in Needham? Are any of > the affected stations off the air? > > --RC > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 21 09:51:07 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:51:07 -0400 Subject: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR Message-ID: WROR 105.7 will bring back Barry Scott and the Lost 45s Sundays 6-10 pm starting Sep. 2. It makes sense for a station playing "hits of the 60s, 70s, and 80s" to get a show like that. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 21 09:42:34 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:34 -0400 Subject: Needham antenna work? References: <503325DA.9040707@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: See the latest issue of Scott Fybush's NERW (North East Radio Watch) at www.fybush.com. AFAIK, no stations are off the air but Scott mentioned that, until the work is complete, some others (besides WGBH-TV, which has been at reduced power since the problems arose) may have to operate at reduced power from time to time--to prevent overexposure of the tower workers to microwave radiation. I have seen no reports of any plans to provide a permanent backup to the "Channel 4" tower to prevent a repetition of this outage. The Candelabra has been mentioned as a permanent backup site, but the costs would be huge. Since the percentage of viewers in the market who receive over-the-air signals is so small, the broadcasters may have decided to pretend that there is no problem. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:08 AM Subject: Needham antenna work? > Can anyone comment on the status of antenna work in Needham? Are any of > the affected stations off the air? > > --RC > > From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Aug 21 10:18:32 2012 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:18:32 -0400 Subject: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017401cd7fa7$d92e5250$8b8af6f0$@garysicecream.com> Do you think he buys the time? Gary F -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:51 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR WROR 105.7 will bring back Barry Scott and the Lost 45s Sundays 6-10 pm starting Sep. 2. It makes sense for a station playing "hits of the 60s, 70s, and 80s" to get a show like that. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 21 11:15:18 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:15:18 -0400 Subject: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR Message-ID: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> Could be, who knows. It certainly fits the format and one way or the other he's back \ From: Gary's Ice Cream Sent: 08/21/12 10:18 AM To: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: RE: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR Do you think he buys the time? Gary F From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 21 13:28:09 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:28:09 -0400 Subject: Lost 45s finds a home at WROR In-Reply-To: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com> Message-ID: <5033C529.7010808@donnahalper.com> On 8/21/2012 11:15 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Could be, who knows. It certainly fits the format and one way or the other he's back > \ > I know he used to buy the time, but I'm with Bob Nelson-- however it got done, the key is that he's back on the air. This is a longstanding and very well-received program, and it belongs on Boston radio somewhere! From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:02:40 2012 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:02:40 -0400 Subject: WBMS and Johnny Pesky In-Reply-To: <5033C529.7010808@donnahalper.com> References: <20120821151518.113030@gmx.com>, <5033C529.7010808@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Considering that the Red Sox are paying tribute to Johnny Pesky this evening, and that this is a radio board, I thought some of you might get a kick out of this 1951 International News Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/5274949302 Mike From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Aug 23 03:19:47 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:19:47 -0400 Subject: Needham antenna work? In-Reply-To: References: <503325DA.9040707@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <5035D993.6070004@gabrielmass.com> On 08/21/2012 08:45 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > An easy answer can be found here, at least for WGBH: > > http://www.wgbh.org/articles/Work-May-Affect-WGBH-2-Signal-5979 > Thanks for the link. Channel 2 is projecting a return to normal on Friday some time. One pleasant surprise from the outage on certain stations was to receive a signal from Portland's channel 13 (air: 38) the other night; it lasted only a few minutes. --RC From radio_geek@comcast.net Wed Aug 29 22:36:40 2012 From: radio_geek@comcast.net (radio_geek@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Who is the female "booth annoucer" for the PPTN Message-ID: <262429408.1086965.1346294200699.JavaMail.root@sz0015a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone know who the female booth announcer is/was for the PATRIOTS PRESEASON TELEVISION NETWORK ? I don't recognize the Velvet Voice! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 16:48:39 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN Message-ID: NBC Sports Radio coming Sept 4 including Boston on WWZN 1510. There will be shows from 7 pm to 5 am for now, and I wonder if WWZN will have some local programming in the sports vein (Brokered?). I imagine they may still run brokered Jeff Santos (3-7 pm) afternoons for now. Sports updates will run, around the clock. http://radioinsight.com/blog/?headlines/70227/ nbc-sports-radio-reveals-inaugu?ral-affiliates/ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 03:24:25 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:24:25 -0400 Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN In-Reply-To: <20120830215254.77310@gmx.com> References: <20120830215254.77310@gmx.com> Message-ID: I mentioned the changes on the Rev. Boston Facebook page and the group/page editor, possibly Jeff himself, said "Pretty much the case. Revolution Radio Network is no longer going to be programming AM 1510 Boston 24/7 M-F. NBC Sports is coming." Whether he can broker a slot for himself, don't know (they won't do it 24/7 but can he still broker his show?); WWZN's Anthony Pepe is hinting a return of the old Die Hards show....which could poss get pm drive, who knows. Of course they're still under contract to run Sox in Spanish. Mark at BRW will have more details of 1510 programming soon. I do know WSMN is airing Jeff and the station IDs say he's on 870 and 1470 in Portland. Maybe in Chicago too. On 8/30/12, Laurence Glavin wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bob Nelson >>Sent: 08/30/12 04:48 PM >>To: Boston Radio Group >>Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN > > >NBC Sports Radio coming Sept 4 including Boston on WWZN 1510. There >will > be shows from 7 pm to 5 am for now, >and I wonder if WWZN will have some > local programming in the sports >vein (Brokered?). I imagine they may still > run brokered Jeff Santos >(3-7 pm) afternoons for now. Sports updates will > run, around the >clock. If Jeff Santos's show goes away, WSMN-AM 1590 in > Nashua will have two big holes to fill. They're airing the live portion in > afternoon drive, then repeating it in morning drive (thus the Friday > afternoon show will ne nearly three days old on Mondays). Speaking of WSMN, > they've been sitting on a CP to build new towers a short distance away from > their longtime site on W. Hollis Street. I wonder if any work has been done > yet. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 13:43:22 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:43:22 -0400 Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN In-Reply-To: References: <20120830215254.77310@gmx.com> Message-ID: http://www.bostonradiowatch.com/ has details, including the fact that Jeff Santos' progressive talk will be on till November, and a local show, Boston Diehards, airs 10 am till noon. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 24 13:50:55 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:50:55 -0400 Subject: Richardson Tower Anjtenna Up and Functioning? Message-ID: <20120824175055.77290@gmx.com> Today (Friday, 08/24) was according to reports supposed to be the day that the newly-repaired TV antenna atop the Richardson Tower on Cedar St. in Needham would be restored to full-power, or nearly full-power operation. At about noon today, I checked the signal coming in to my digital-to-analog box with my auxiliary CRT television set, and I could see three improvements: WGBH-TV 2.1 and 2.2 WERE receivable but dropped out if I moved; WBZ-TV 4 (nothing else) and WCVB-TV 5 (right now nothing else; soon to add a 5.2) were rock steady as they were pre-April 8th. WGBX-TV 44.1, 44.3 and 44.4 never disappeared during the time the master antenna was away for repairs. WGBH-TV's website states that they're running at full power and everything is back to normal (I suppose that refers to WGBX-TV also. I may have to tweak my powered rotatable antenna some more because the signal seems spottier than before.) From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 30 17:52:54 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:52:54 -0400 Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN Message-ID: <20120830215254.77310@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Nelson >Sent: 08/30/12 04:48 PM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN >NBC Sports Radio coming Sept 4 including Boston on WWZN 1510. There >will be shows from 7 pm to 5 am for now, >and I wonder if WWZN will have some local programming in the sports >vein (Brokered?). I imagine they may still run brokered Jeff Santos >(3-7 pm) afternoons for now. Sports updates will run, around the >clock. If Jeff Santos's show goes away, WSMN-AM 1590 in Nashua will have two big holes to fill. They're airing the live portion in afternoon drive, then repeating it in morning drive (thus the Friday afternoon show will ne nearly three days old on Mondays). Speaking of WSMN, they've been sitting on a CP to build new towers a short distance away from their longtime site on W. Hollis Street. I wonder if any work has been done yet. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Aug 30 17:52:54 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:52:54 -0400 Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN Message-ID: <20120830215254.77310@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Nelson >Sent: 08/30/12 04:48 PM >To: Boston Radio Group >Subject: NBC Sports Radio launches Sep 4 including WWZN >NBC Sports Radio coming Sept 4 including Boston on WWZN 1510. There >will be shows from 7 pm to 5 am for now, >and I wonder if WWZN will have some local programming in the sports >vein (Brokered?). I imagine they may still run brokered Jeff Santos >(3-7 pm) afternoons for now. Sports updates will run, around the >clock. If Jeff Santos's show goes away, WSMN-AM 1590 in Nashua will have two big holes to fill. They're airing the live portion in afternoon drive, then repeating it in morning drive (thus the Friday afternoon show will ne nearly three days old on Mondays). Speaking of WSMN, they've been sitting on a CP to build new towers a short distance away from their longtime site on W. Hollis Street. I wonder if any work has been done yet.