From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Apr 3 07:53:54 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:53:54 -0400 Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 Message-ID: A true gentleman and professional. We worked together often. He never took himself seriously and had a great sense of humor. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/02/former-wbz-tv-reporter-walt-sanders-dies-at-81/ From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Apr 3 07:53:54 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:53:54 -0400 Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 Message-ID: A true gentleman and professional. We worked together often. He never took himself seriously and had a great sense of humor. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/02/former-wbz-tv-reporter-walt-sanders-dies-at-81/ From billohno@gmail.com Tue Apr 3 10:18:22 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:18:22 -0400 Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26ee3568-79a6-4b1a-9032-0483966a725e@email.android.com> My condolences to Mr. Sander's family and others feeling the sting of His passing today. Bill O' -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Ted Larsen Sent: Tue Apr 03 07:53:54 EDT 2012 To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 A true gentleman and professional. We worked together often. He never took himself seriously and had a great sense of humor. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/02/former-wbz-tv-reporter-walt-sanders-dies-at-81/ From billohno@gmail.com Tue Apr 3 10:18:22 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:18:22 -0400 Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26ee3568-79a6-4b1a-9032-0483966a725e@email.android.com> My condolences to Mr. Sander's family and others feeling the sting of His passing today. Bill O' -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Ted Larsen Sent: Tue Apr 03 07:53:54 EDT 2012 To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 A true gentleman and professional. We worked together often. He never took himself seriously and had a great sense of humor. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/02/former-wbz-tv-reporter-walt-sanders-dies-at-81/ From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 3 09:46:28 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:46:28 -0400 Subject: Walt Sanders Dead At 81 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7AFF34.5050108@fybush.com> On 4/3/2012 7:53 AM, Ted Larsen wrote: > A true gentleman and professional. We worked together often. He never > took himself seriously and had a great sense of humor. > > http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/02/former-wbz-tv-reporter-walt-sanders-dies-at-81/ I'm > so sorry to hear this. Walt was over on the TV side and I was on radio at a time when there was a pretty big psychological wall down the middle of the WBZ building, so I never got to know him well (he retired right around the time the newsrooms moved in together), but he was always cooperative and friendly when we needed him to do something for radio...and, yes, a consummate professional. s From lglavin@mail.com Sat Apr 7 13:56:25 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:56:25 -0400 Subject: WGBH World To WGBH-TV 2.2 Message-ID: <20120407175625.209750@gmx.com> Bulletin, bulletin! I don't know if there's any significance to this, but later this month, WGBH World will move from WGBX 44.2 to WGBH 2.2. My big-screen cable-connected HD TV is in my living room, but I sometime use an older analog CRT set in my kitchen/dinette to watch some programs while eating munchies, thus letting my cat continue possession of the barcalounger a little while longer. The analog set is connected to a government-subsidized digital-to-analog box, so I watch WGBH-TV via channel 19 DTV/channel 2 virtual, also WBZ-TV channel 30 digital/channel 4 virtual etc. (BTW, Scott this week mentioned that a Cleveland TV station had trouible being received in HD on channel 2, and thus eventually did better when it switched to UHF. Must be a problem with low-numbered VHF, because where I live 30 miles north of Boston, NH stations broadcasting on channels 9 and 11 come in with solid, reliable signals while some UHFs along route 9 and 128 west of Boston do not, possibly due to directional antennas. Channels 30, 42 and 43 are also solid and reliable; 18, 31, 32 and 41, not so much. Fortunately, 19, 30 and 43 are the only ones I care about...I watch anything on ABC on channel 9). I'm especially likely to watch my old analog TV on Friday nights at 7:00 for channel 2/19's "Beat the Press" program, then I click channel-up twice to watch *"Jeopardy" on channel 4/30. In the past, as I moved from WGBH channel 2.1 thru 2.2 to WBZ-TV 4.1, there would be two images of WGBH-TV, presumably in HD and standard, then WBZ HD would come in. Last night, WGBH 2.2 displayed a message that WGBH World would soon appear on that channel. It's now one of four, or maybe 5(?) signals transmitted by WGBX-TV 44/43. Does this mean a new channel will be added to over-the-air WGBX? WGBH World is on Comcast channel 209 and I occasionally watch or record programs on it. I assume that won't change. If WGBH adds a new channel to 44/43, where would Comcast put it? *(Oh and speaking of "Jeopardy", the winner Friday night might have been the first contestant with the same name as a search engine, Bing Hao. I doubt in all the years "Jeopardy" has been on, there's been an Alberta Altavista or Norman Netscape, although there HAS been a mainframe named Watson.) From mward@iname.com Sat Apr 7 23:22:43 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:22:43 -0400 Subject: WGBH World To WGBH-TV 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20120407175625.209750@gmx.com> References: <20120407175625.209750@gmx.com> Message-ID: The station here was NBC affiliate WKYC/3, which took RF 17 very happily at the transition...and spent a bundle doing so, with basically a brand new facility at the old analog site. Analog 17 in the market was abandoned because TBN O&O WDLI/17 Canton stayed on pre-transition RF 39, though they got better market coverage by moving later to RF 49. 49 was available because PBS affiliate WEAO/49 stayed on RF 50, and 39 ended up being the digital home of LD RTV affiliate WIVM-LP/52 Canton. No one went back to RF 2, not even an LPTVer begging for an in-market channel. On Apr 7, 2012 10:44 PM, "Laurence Glavin" wrote: > Bulletin, bulletin! I don't know if there's any significance to this, but > later this month, WGBH World will move from > WGBX 44.2 to WGBH 2.2. My big-screen cable-connected HD TV is in my > living room, but I sometime > use an older analog CRT set in my kitchen/dinette to watch some programs > while eating munchies, thus > letting my cat continue possession of the barcalounger a little while > longer. The analog set is connected to > a government-subsidized digital-to-analog box, so I watch WGBH-TV via > channel 19 DTV/channel 2 virtual, > also WBZ-TV channel 30 digital/channel 4 virtual etc. (BTW, Scott this > week mentioned that a Cleveland TV > station had trouible being received in HD on channel 2, and thus > eventually did better when it switched to UHF. > Must be a problem with low-numbered VHF, because where I live 30 miles > north of Boston, NH stations broadcasting > on channels 9 and 11 come in with solid, reliable signals while some UHFs > along route 9 and 128 west of Boston > do not, possibly due to directional antennas. Channels 30, 42 and 43 are > also solid and reliable; 18, 31, 32 and 41, not > so much. Fortunately, 19, 30 and 43 are the only ones I care about...I > watch anything on ABC on channel 9). > I'm especially likely to watch my old analog TV on Friday nights at 7:00 > for channel 2/19's "Beat the Press" > program, then I click channel-up twice to watch *"Jeopardy" on channel > 4/30. In the past, as I moved from > WGBH channel 2.1 thru 2.2 to WBZ-TV 4.1, there would be two images of > WGBH-TV, presumably in HD and > standard, then WBZ HD would come in. Last night, WGBH 2.2 displayed a > message that WGBH World would soon > appear on that channel. It's now one of four, or maybe 5(?) signals > transmitted by WGBX-TV 44/43. Does this > mean a new channel will be added to over-the-air WGBX? WGBH World is on > Comcast channel 209 and I occasionally > watch or record programs on it. I assume that won't change. If WGBH adds > a new channel to 44/43, where would > Comcast put it? > > *(Oh and speaking of "Jeopardy", the winner Friday night might have been > the first contestant with the same name as > a search engine, Bing Hao. I doubt in all the years "Jeopardy" has been > on, there's been an Alberta Altavista or > Norman Netscape, although there HAS been a mainframe named Watson.) > From markwats@comcast.net Sun Apr 8 08:57:07 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:57:07 -0400 Subject: Former WCAP Personality Dan Gillette Has Passed Message-ID: Former WCAP personality Dan Gillette passed away on April 4th. Mr. Gillette was with WCAP for several years in the 1950's & 1960's. His obituary in the Lowell Sun mentions he hosted one of the earliest call in radio talk shows and he interviewed many popular names of the day such as celebrated author Jack Kerouac & actress Bette Davis (both natives of Lowell). After he left radio he formed his own real estate company and was active with several civic & fraternal organizations. Mr. Gillette was one of the many former WCAP personalities who appeared on the WCAP 55th anniversary broadcast in 2006, IIRC he was the only WCAP alum from the 1950's in attendance. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sun Apr 8 10:59:17 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:59:17 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed Message-ID: Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing the previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall with coverage of his passing. Mark Watson From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 15:31:44 2012 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:31:44 -0400 Subject: Voices Of Fenway Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, all. As some of you know, "Level 5" at Fenway Park contains - among other things - the Press area. Now gracing the wall just outside of the Press Box is a display providing some information and history about the "Voices of Fenway Park." I thought I'd provide the links to two quick snapshots, as I thought some of you might get a kick out of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/705775346 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/7057753691 Mike From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 8 22:33:17 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:33:17 -0400 Subject: Voices Of Fenway Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F824A6D.60605@attorneyross.com> On 4/8/2012 3:31 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > As some of you know, "Level 5" at Fenway Park contains - among other things - the Press area. Now gracing the wall just outside of the Press Box is a display providing some information and history about the "Voices of Fenway Park." I thought I'd provide the links to two quick snapshots, as I thought some of you might get a kick out of it: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/705775346 > > and > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/7057753691 The first link doesn't work. The second one does. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 23:37:34 2012 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:37:34 -0400 Subject: Voices Of Fenway Park In-Reply-To: <4F824A6D.60605@attorneyross.com> References: , , <4F824A6D.60605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: So sorry! Here's the correct link - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/7057753461/ Mike > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:33:17 -0400 > From: joe@attorneyross.com > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Voices Of Fenway Park > > On 4/8/2012 3:31 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > > > As some of you know, "Level 5" at Fenway Park contains - among other things - the Press area. Now gracing the wall just outside of the Press Box is a display providing some information and history about the "Voices of Fenway Park." I thought I'd provide the links to two quick snapshots, as I thought some of you might get a kick out of it: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/705775346 > > > > and > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/7057753691 > > The first link doesn't work. The second one does. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Apr 9 00:58:42 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Voices Of Fenway Park In-Reply-To: References: , , <4F824A6D.60605@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1333947522.18104.YahooMailNeo@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Although he was only here for a couple seasons, I really loved Bob Starr's pipes -- those were the seasons I really started following the Sox. Wish I could find some audio of him kicking around (Google isn't being helpful in that regard).? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 01:40:34 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:40:34 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed References: Message-ID: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing the previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall with coverage of his passing. Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Apr 9 02:32:12 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:32:12 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> References: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> Message-ID: <20354.33388.488939.343122@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike > Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? I saw the beginning of 60 Minutes and they absolutely did talk about it, and said that they would be doing a full retrospective next Sunday. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 9 02:20:39 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:20:39 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> References: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> Message-ID: <4F827FB7.6040207@donnahalper.com> On 4/9/2012 1:40 AM, Don wrote: > I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike > Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? Not true. Morley Safer did give a brief discussion at the very beginning and then, another at the very end. Both times, he said they would do a much longer tribute next week. From john@minutemancomm.com Mon Apr 9 09:28:31 2012 From: john@minutemancomm.com (john@minutemancomm.com) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:28:31 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. Message-ID: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> So Ch4, 38 and 44 have all been off the air since about 7:30p yesterday with Ch5 on a back up antenna at low power. It's amazing in this world of Cable being fed by fiber from studios that it affects so few people. I guess somthing loss in the transmission line or master antenna. They won't know till they can climb. A few years ago this would have been in the news today hardly anyone notices. 60Minutes was seen by no one who didn't have cable last night. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Apr 9 10:32:49 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:32:49 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. In-Reply-To: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> References: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:28 AM, john@minutemancomm.com wrote: > > > So Ch4, 38 and 44 have all been off the air since about 7:30p yesterday with Ch5 on a back up antenna at low power. It's amazing in this world of Cable being fed by fiber from studios that it affects so few people. I guess somthing loss in the transmission line or master antenna. They won't know till they can climb. A few years ago this would have been in the news today hardly anyone notices. 60Minutes was seen by no one who didn't have cable last night. It did effect Dish Network, they did not have 60 minutes last night, but instead a yellow screen. I was also unable to pick up the station with my antenna and converter box, so I knew something big was amiss. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Apr 9 11:45:14 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:45:14 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. In-Reply-To: References: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Here on Charter cable, we have ch. 4 on analog, but nothing on the HD channel. That's interesting. -Bob On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:28 AM, john@minutemancomm.com wrote: > > > > > > > So Ch4, 38 and 44 have all been off the air since about 7:30p yesterday > with Ch5 on a back up antenna at low power. It's amazing in this world of > Cable being fed by fiber from studios that it affects so few people. I > guess somthing loss in the transmission line or master antenna. They won't > know till they can climb. A few years ago this would have been in the news > today hardly anyone notices. 60Minutes was seen by no one who didn't have > cable last night. > > It did effect Dish Network, they did not have 60 minutes last night, but > instead a yellow screen. I was also unable to pick up the station with my > antenna and converter box, so I knew something big was amiss. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Apr 9 15:20:49 2012 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:20:49 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. In-Reply-To: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> References: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I had a major problem with 60 Minutes last night with my RCN cable feed. I recorded it on TiVo, and it kept breaking up and skipping several minutes in the program. Finally the recording changed (by itself) to channel 5 and froze completely a few minutes later. This morning I was completely unable to see ch. 44-2 on the cable, but 4, 5, and 7 were coming in fine on HD. On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:28 AM, john@minutemancomm.com wrote: > > > So Ch4, 38 and 44 have all been off the air since about 7:30p yesterday with Ch5 on a back up antenna at low power. It's amazing in this world of Cable being fed by fiber from studios that it affects so few people. I guess somthing loss in the transmission line or master antenna. They won't know till they can climb. A few years ago this would have been in the news today hardly anyone notices. 60Minutes was seen by no one who didn't have cable last night. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 9 16:57:25 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:57:25 -0400 Subject: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4F834D35.5070902@donnahalper.com> On 4/9/2012 4:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I just called WIP and and the story was confirmed. According to my friend, he died of cancer. He was only 72. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 9 16:35:35 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:35:35 -0400 Subject: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> References: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> A friend of mine just sent me an e-mail saying he heard Steve Fredericks, former talk show host here in Boston, died over the weekend. I'm trying to find out more-- anyone else know something about this? From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 17:08:05 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:08:05 -0400 Subject: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <4F834D35.5070902@donnahalper.com> References: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> <4F834D35.5070902@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: He started at WMEX as Jerry Williams replacement. Moved to WEEI for sports, back to WMEX/WITS then back to WEEI and then returned to Philly. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > ** > On 4/9/2012 4:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I just called WIP and and the story was confirmed. > > > > According to my friend, he died of cancer. He was only 72. > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 16:49:00 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> References: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I just called WIP and and the story was confirmed. He was 72. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > A friend of mine just sent me an e-mail saying he heard Steve Fredericks, > former talk show host here in Boston, died over the weekend. I'm trying to > find out more-- anyone else know something about this? > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 18:06:37 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:06:37 -0400 Subject: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> <4F834817.7040906@donnahalper.com> <4F834D35.5070902@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Glenn Ordway just mentioned Steve's death at the end of 'The Big Show. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > He started at WMEX as Jerry Williams replacement. Moved to WEEI for > sports, back to WMEX/WITS then back to WEEI and then returned to Philly. > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> ** >> On 4/9/2012 4:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> I just called WIP and and the story was confirmed. >> >> >> >> According to my friend, he died of cancer. He was only 72. >> > > From HeritageRadio@msn.com Mon Apr 9 20:03:16 2012 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:03:16 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> References: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> Message-ID: Hmmm....that's odd. I saw the opening of 60 minutes too, and there was an announcement that Mike had passed away and a special tribute would be broadcast on next Sunday's 60 Minutes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: Mark Watson ; B-R-I Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing the previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall with coverage of his passing. Mark Watson From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 20:40:23 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:40:23 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: References: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> Message-ID: The entire show next Sunday will be on Mike. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > Hmmm....that's odd. I saw the opening of 60 minutes too, and there was an > announcement that Mike had passed away and a special tribute would be > broadcast on next Sunday's 60 Minutes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don > To: Mark Watson ; B-R-I boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:40 AM > Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed > > > I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike > Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Watson" > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:59 AM > Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed > > > Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a > Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing > the > previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall > with coverage of his passing. > > Mark Watson > > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Apr 9 20:55:35 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:55:35 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: References: <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035> Message-ID: <4F838507.3010103@fybush.com> The confusion, I think, is that the pre-produced open was not recut to mention Wallace's death. Instead, there was a commercial break after the open, and *then* Morley Safer on camera announcing Wallace's death and the special to air next week. It was a very short segment - maybe a minute, tops. On 4/9/2012 8:03 PM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > Hmmm....that's odd. I saw the opening of 60 minutes too, and there was an announcement that Mike had passed away and a special tribute would be broadcast on next Sunday's 60 Minutes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don > To: Mark Watson ; B-R-I > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:40 AM > Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed > > > I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike > Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Watson"> > To:> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:59 AM > Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed > > > Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a > Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing the > previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall > with coverage of his passing. > > Mark Watson > > From mpward@gmail.com Sat Apr 7 23:34:32 2012 From: mpward@gmail.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:34:32 -0400 Subject: WGBH World To WGBH-TV 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20120407175625.209750@gmx.com> References: <20120407175625.209750@gmx.com> Message-ID: Oh, the two high Vs here have reception problems here, though they haven't gone superpowered like some of the Vs on the East Coast. Fox affiliate/former O&O WJW/8 is just wrapping up a process that'll hopefully return it soon from RF 8 back to pre-transition RF 31. CW affiliate WBNX/55 (RF 30) raised a stink, but few expect them to block the move. CBS affiliate WOIO/19 seems cemented to a puny RF 10 facility. They recently lit up an LD fill station on RF 24 from the Akron antenna farm aimed ar Akron/Canton...the 11 kW signed is rock solid for me in northwest Akron. On Apr 7, 2012 10:44 PM, "Laurence Glavin" wrote: > Bulletin, bulletin! I don't know if there's any significance to this, but > later this month, WGBH World will move from > WGBX 44.2 to WGBH 2.2. My big-screen cable-connected HD TV is in my > living room, but I sometime > use an older analog CRT set in my kitchen/dinette to watch some programs > while eating munchies, thus > letting my cat continue possession of the barcalounger a little while > longer. The analog set is connected to > a government-subsidized digital-to-analog box, so I watch WGBH-TV via > channel 19 DTV/channel 2 virtual, > also WBZ-TV channel 30 digital/channel 4 virtual etc. (BTW, Scott this > week mentioned that a Cleveland TV > station had trouible being received in HD on channel 2, and thus > eventually did better when it switched to UHF. > Must be a problem with low-numbered VHF, because where I live 30 miles > north of Boston, NH stations broadcasting > on channels 9 and 11 come in with solid, reliable signals while some UHFs > along route 9 and 128 west of Boston > do not, possibly due to directional antennas. Channels 30, 42 and 43 are > also solid and reliable; 18, 31, 32 and 41, not > so much. Fortunately, 19, 30 and 43 are the only ones I care about...I > watch anything on ABC on channel 9). > I'm especially likely to watch my old analog TV on Friday nights at 7:00 > for channel 2/19's "Beat the Press" > program, then I click channel-up twice to watch *"Jeopardy" on channel > 4/30. In the past, as I moved from > WGBH channel 2.1 thru 2.2 to WBZ-TV 4.1, there would be two images of > WGBH-TV, presumably in HD and > standard, then WBZ HD would come in. Last night, WGBH 2.2 displayed a > message that WGBH World would soon > appear on that channel. It's now one of four, or maybe 5(?) signals > transmitted by WGBX-TV 44/43. Does this > mean a new channel will be added to over-the-air WGBX? WGBH World is on > Comcast channel 209 and I occasionally > watch or record programs on it. I assume that won't change. If WGBH adds > a new channel to 44/43, where would > Comcast put it? > > *(Oh and speaking of "Jeopardy", the winner Friday night might have been > the first contestant with the same name as > a search engine, Bing Hao. I doubt in all the years "Jeopardy" has been > on, there's been an Alberta Altavista or > Norman Netscape, although there HAS been a mainframe named Watson.) > From jimduffy75@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 13:30:22 2012 From: jimduffy75@gmail.com (James Duffy) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:30:22 -0400 Subject: WBZ Ch. 4 Marathon Coverage Message-ID: Hi. Does any one no whether Ch. 4's live coverage will be available on a smart phone app Monday? My work blocks us from streaming it on the computer and I'd like to see it with out taking the day off. Tahnks in advance. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Apr 9 14:39:07 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:39:07 -0400 Subject: WGBH World To WGBH-TV 2.2 Message-ID: <20120409183907.209770@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Laurence Glavin >Sent: 04/07/12 01:56 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: WGBH World To WGBH-TV 2.2 *(Oh and speaking of "Jeopardy", the winner Friday night might have been the first contestant with the same name as a search engine, Bing Hao. I doubt in all the years "Jeopardy" has been on, there's been an Alberta Altavista or Norman Netscape, although there HAS been a mainframe named Watson.) I posed this question at Jeopardy's website, and indeed, they HAVE had a contestant using the name Bing previously: Bing Luke in February of 2009. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Apr 9 14:57:28 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:57:28 -0400 Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed Message-ID: <20120409185729.209730@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Donna Halper >Sent: 04/09/12 02:20 AM >To: Don >Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed On 4/9/2012 1:40 AM, Don wrote: > I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike > Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? >Not true. Morley Safer did give a brief discussion at the very >beginning and then, another at the very end. Both times, he said they >would do a much longer tribute next week. I listened to Tom Ashbrook's "On Point" tribute, the podcast of which should remain downloadable for some time on wbur.org. It's an interview conducted five years ago with a dollop of commentary from Tom today. From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:02:49 2012 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:02:49 -0400 Subject: NYT "Last Word: Mike Wallace" video (was: Mike Wallace Has Passed) In-Reply-To: <4F838507.3010103@fybush.com> References: , <8D4898D8D55D4608A672402ED61D7A17@s20035>, , <4F838507.3010103@fybush.com> Message-ID: Don't know if it would be of any interest to some of you, and perhaps old news to others, but here's a link to the NYT "Last Word: Mike Wallace" video piece. (22 minutes long) http://video.nytimes.com/video/2012/04/08/obituaries/1194826917764/last-word-mike-wallace.html Mike From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 21:43:32 2012 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334022212.31462.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Was it in that first minute of previews? I watched the opening where they showed clips of the 3 stories that night...and didn't see it. Maybe after the commercials before the first story? Then again, maybe I dozed after a big Ester meal...? ;-) --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Thomas Heathwood wrote: From: Thomas Heathwood Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed To: "Mark Watson" , "B-R-I" , "Don" Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:03 PM Hmmm....that's odd.? I saw the opening of 60 minutes too, and there was an announcement that Mike had passed away and a special tribute would be broadcast on next Sunday's 60 Minutes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: Mark Watson ; B-R-I Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Mike Wallace Has Passed I saw the beginging of 60 Minutes tonight.....and no reference to Mike Wallace for those that might have tuned in to see news of his passing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: Mike Wallace Has Passed ? Longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent and CBS newsman Mike Wallace (a Brookline native) has passed away at the age of 93. CBS is still showing the previously scheduled "Face The Nation", Fox News is currently wall to wall with coverage of his passing. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 10 07:33:18 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:33:18 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 Message-ID: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> I do not have cable or satellite TV; 100% of my TV reception, on two receivers here in Arlington Heights near the Lexington line ~0.5 miles north of Route 2, is from over-the-air signals. I've heard several people (some on this list, I think) insist that the OTA signal from Channel "5" (WCVB) has gone dark in the multi-station outage that is currently affecting several of the OTA signals that emnanate from what has historically been called the Channel 4 tower in Needham. (Since the other three FM/TV sites in the Newton-Needham area are in Newton, it would seem OK to refer to the affected tower as the Needham tower; FM 128, the Channel "7"/"56" self-supporter, and the Candelabra are all in Newton.) I can't say that a Channel "5" OTA signal has NEVER gone dark in this outage, but every time I have checked it out since I started monitoring which of the Needham stations were dark and which weren't (early Monday AM, IIRC), "5" has always been there and the reception has been at least as good as normal. So does this mean that "5" (and maybe also "2") have an auxiliary site either on FM 128 or the Candelabra? As far as I can tell, the only OTA signals that are affected are "4," "38," and "44" (including all of ""44's" sub-channels). Can somebody explain why some of the Needham signals appear unaffected? This AM on Steve LeVeille's show on WBZ (AM), I believe I heard Steve say, that, as far as he knew, CBS Boston Engineering had still not figured out what happened. Earlier, I believe I heard a caller to a different talk show (not sure which) say that the problem was in the transmission lines in the tower. My guess is either a transmission line or a combiner. If the culprit was either of those, it sounds as if the 20 or so percent of Boston area viewers who get their TV OTA are in for a long wait before service is restored. I'm trying to adjust to living without the Big Bang Theory reruns on "38" (7:00-8:00PM M-F). Channel 62-1 has MASH reruns at the same time. I guess those may have to do. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Apr 10 07:01:03 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:01:03 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Message-ID: This running in Plilly Inquirer today http://www.philly.com/philly/obituaries/146767015.html From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Apr 10 07:01:03 2012 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:01:03 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Message-ID: This running in Plilly Inquirer today http://www.philly.com/philly/obituaries/146767015.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 10 10:15:29 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:15:29 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: Message-ID: <3304C68427A84219800FA6AAB941E743@SatU205S5044> I always considered him to be the most talented host to ever do talk radio in Boston (and just possibly anywhere else). He could do issue-oriented talk just as well as he did sports talk, but I gather that he preferred sports. I don't think I ever heard him do play-by-play. No matter what the subject, I found him well informed, entertaining, and stimulating. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks This running in Plilly Inquirer today http://www.philly.com/philly/obituaries/146767015.html From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 10 11:01:26 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:01:26 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> On 4/10/2012 7:33 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > So does this mean that "5" (and maybe also "2") have an auxiliary site > either on FM 128 or the Candelabra? As far as I can tell, the only > OTA signals that are affected are "4," "38," and "44" (including all > of ""44's" sub-channels). Can somebody explain why some of the Needham > signals appear unaffected? There are two identical antennas stacked atop the rebuilt Needham tower. The top antenna carries WCVB (RF 20), WBZ (RF 30), WSBK (RF 39) and WGBX (RF 43). The bottom antenna carries WGBH (RF 19). 19 and 20, being adjacent channels, can't be combined into a single antenna; the filtering would be too difficult to do. WCVB has an auxiliary antenna side-mounted on the Needham tower, and it's operating from there at low power. s From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Apr 10 11:46:55 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:46:55 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > has historically been called the Channel 4 tower in Needham. (Since > the other three FM/TV sites in the Newton-Needham area are in Newton, > it would seem OK to refer to the affected tower as the Needham tower; > FM 128, the Channel "7"/"56" self-supporter, and the Candelabra are > all in Newton.) No, the "UHF" Candelabra is most assuredly not in Newton; it's west of the river, which forms the Newton/Needham town line. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Apr 10 12:27:58 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:27:58 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Ch 4 and Ch 5 have messages to viewers on their sites. Here's the link to Ch 5: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/30859064/detail.html Ch 5 says "(A) likely transmission line or antenna fault at the Needham community tower site took many Boston broadcast stations off the air Sunday evening." It adds they're on auxiliary antenna at reduced power; tower inspection and repairs are ongoing. Both stations say you can see (delayed) CBS and ABC network programs via those networks' websites. From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Apr 10 12:19:04 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:19:04 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > No, the "UHF" Candelabra is most assuredly not in Newton; it's west of > the river, which forms the Newton/Needham town line. > And the CH7 (RF 42) self-supporting tower is in Newton Upper Falls. Ch 56 (RF 41) is still on the candelabra. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Apr 10 13:18:31 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:18:31 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <7706AE7A4F7F48E6A352BF7DE0D63A39@SatU205S5044> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <7706AE7A4F7F48E6A352BF7DE0D63A39@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: *Is the Channel "5" aux on the Needham tower? How many TV transmitting antennas are on that tower? * As Scott said, they are on the some tower. This page on NECRAT gives the details of what's on the tower: http://www.necrat.us/bztower.html -Bob From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 10 12:07:35 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:07:35 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4F845AC7.6000401@fybush.com> On 4/10/2012 11:46 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> has historically been called the Channel 4 tower in Needham. (Since >> the other three FM/TV sites in the Newton-Needham area are in Newton, >> it would seem OK to refer to the affected tower as the Needham tower; >> FM 128, the Channel "7"/"56" self-supporter, and the Candelabra are >> all in Newton.) > > No, the "UHF" Candelabra is most assuredly not in Newton; it's west of > the river, which forms the Newton/Needham town line. With the transition of ownership of the former "Channel 4 tower" to Richland Towers, I'm hearing it being referred to now as simply the "Richland Tower." It will be interesting to see how much blame gets apportioned to Richland for the antenna failure - presumably it's their master antenna and transmission line now? s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Apr 10 14:29:52 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:29:52 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F845AC7.6000401@fybush.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <20356.21999.175566.334627@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4F845AC7.6000401@fybush.com> Message-ID: Spreading word--as Scott says in a tweet, the stations (4, 5, 38, 44) are back on. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 10 14:30:12 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:30:12 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <7706AE7A4F7F48E6A352BF7DE0D63A39@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <475737EE6BA94419B0CFA53D91CA8563@SatU205S5044> The NECRAT pix are something else! Thanks. (However, despite the captions, I am still somewhat confused about which stations use (or used) which antennas. This is particularly true of the pair of panel antennas (one four bay; one three bay) beneath the topmost pair. Were these panel antennas originally used for analog TV on UHF channels and subsequently converted to digital TV? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 > *Is the Channel "5" aux on the Needham tower? How many TV > transmitting > antennas are on that tower? * > > As Scott said, they are on the some tower. This page on NECRAT > gives the details of what's on the tower: > > http://www.necrat.us/bztower.html > > > -Bob > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Apr 10 15:05:53 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:05:53 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <475737EE6BA94419B0CFA53D91CA8563@SatU205S5044> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <7706AE7A4F7F48E6A352BF7DE0D63A39@SatU205S5044> <475737EE6BA94419B0CFA53D91CA8563@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: *The NECRAT pix are something else! Thanks. (However, despite the captions, I am still somewhat confused about which stations use (or used) which antennas. This is particularly true of the pair of panel antennas (one four bay; one three bay) beneath the topmost pair. Were these panel antennas originally used for analog TV on UHF channels and subsequently converted to digital TV?* The way I read it, all the good stuff is at the top: 20/30/39/43 are on the top half of the stick 43 is on the bottom half of the stick The four bay below the stick were for the old analog 4 & 5. The three bay below the four bay was for analog 2. The "old standby antennas used during antenna construction (pic 13)" are on a white section of tower just below a set of guys. Looking at the second pix ("wider view"), these are under the third set of guys from the top. My guess is the VHF antennas aren't used for anything now. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 10 16:22:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:22:36 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> On 4/10/2012 11:01 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > WCVB has an auxiliary antenna side-mounted on the Needham tower, and > it's operating from there at low power. I thought WBZ-TV had a smaller tower next to the big one, which would allow them to transmit, albeit with low range, if anything happened to the big tower. When I read about it, I surmised that it was a response to the problems they had after the fall of the large Soldiers Field Road tower in 1953. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Apr 10 16:27:39 2012 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:27:39 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: *I thought WBZ-TV had a smaller tower next to the big one, which would allow them to transmit, albeit with low range, if anything happened to the big tower. When I read about it, I surmised that it was a response to the problems they had after the fall of the large Soldiers Field Road tower in 1953. * WBZ apparently has an auxiliary tower, as shown on the NECRAT website. Apparently, based on what happened, this tower is only a backup for their analog transmitter. This doesn't seem too useful. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 10 16:11:31 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:11:31 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> On 4/10/2012 7:33 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I do not have cable or satellite TV; 100% of my TV reception, on two > receivers here in Arlington Heights near the Lexington line ~0.5 miles > north of Route 2, is from over-the-air signals. I've heard several > people (some on this list, I think) insist that the OTA signal from > Channel "5" (WCVB) has gone dark in the multi-station outage that is > currently affecting several of the OTA signals that emnanate from what > has historically been called the Channel 4 tower in Needham. (Since > the other three FM/TV sites in the Newton-Needham area are in Newton, > it would seem OK to refer to the affected tower as the Needham tower; > FM 128, the Channel "7"/"56" self-supporter, and the Candelabra are > all in Newton.) I can't say that a Channel "5" OTA signal has NEVER > gone dark in this outage, but every time I have checked it out since I > started monitoring which of the Needham stations were dark and which > weren't (early Monday AM, IIRC), "5" has always been there and the > reception has been at least as good as normal. > > So does this mean that "5" (and maybe also "2") have an auxiliary site > either on FM 128 or the Candelabra? As far as I can tell, the only > OTA signals that are affected are "4," "38," and "44" (including all > of ""44's" sub-channels). Can somebody explain why some of the Needham > signals appear unaffected? If 38 is now on the channel 4 tower and 56 is on the channel 7 tower, who's on the candelabra now? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 10 16:42:12 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:42:12 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F849B24.7090402@attorneyross.com> On 4/10/2012 4:27 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > *I thought WBZ-TV had a smaller tower next to the big one, which would > allow them to transmit, albeit with low range, if anything happened to the > big tower. When I read about it, I surmised that it was a response to the > problems they had after the fall of the large Soldiers Field Road tower in > 1953. > * > WBZ apparently has an auxiliary tower, as shown on the NECRAT website. > Apparently, based on what happened, this tower is only a backup for their > analog transmitter. This doesn't seem too useful. I guess nobody who was there in 1956 is still around. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 10 17:18:22 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:18:22 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F84A39E.6050007@fybush.com> On 4/10/2012 4:11 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > If 38 is now on the channel 4 tower and 56 is on the channel 7 tower, > who's on the candelabra now? > 56 (RF 41) is still on the candelabra, as is 25 (RF 31). Sunbeam deliberately maintained facilities at both the candelabra and the 7 tower. If they lose either signal, it would be simple enough to use a subchannel of the other to keep something on the air. Smart move. s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Apr 10 17:18:48 2012 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:18:48 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004f01cd175f$8551b970$8ff52c50$@net> > If 38 is now on the channel 4 tower and 56 is on the channel 7 tower, > who's on the candelabra now? 56 is not on the 7 tower. 56 and 25 are on the Candelabra. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 10 16:26:30 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:26:30 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F844B46.5090404@fybush.com> <4F84968C.7090705@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F849776.90709@fybush.com> On 4/10/2012 4:22 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4/10/2012 11:01 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> WCVB has an auxiliary antenna side-mounted on the Needham tower, and >> it's operating from there at low power. > > I thought WBZ-TV had a smaller tower next to the big one, which would > allow them to transmit, albeit with low range, if anything happened to > the big tower. When I read about it, I surmised that it was a response > to the problems they had after the fall of the large Soldiers Field Road > tower in 1953. > That smaller tower was an auxiliary analog channel 4 facility. It was never retrofitted for DTV use. It will be interesting to see how quickly CBS moves now to establish some sort of auxiliary DTV transmitting capability for WBZ and WSBK. Educated speculation is that they might look to put it over at the candelabra, where they're still renting the old WSBK analog transmitter room. s From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:46:58 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:46:58 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Message-ID: He was the "other" play by play announcer the night Havlicek stole the ball. Was working for WCAU. Would say "It sounded a lot different from Johnny Most." He left WCAU for WMEX where Mac Richmond christened him Steve Fredericks. But Mac claimed ownership of the name (even though Frederick was Oxman's middle name),. but as he did when he sued Jerry Williams over a noncompete, Richmond Bros. lost that one. After doing mostly issues talk at the Big X (sports on Friday nights with his in-season "Pat's Pick 'em contest), he went to back to CBS with WEEI which was getting killed by Mainella. He worked a split at EEI, nights he first did sports on the "all news PM report," then was off from 7 -7:20 for Lowell Thomas and then Pat Summerall and then did 7:20 to 9 as Sportsline 59 before coming back at 5:30 a.m. for the All News AM report. EEI pushed its talent a lot then, Len Lawrence anchored the all news morning block, then did a talk show; at night Jim Westover did the same thing after being lured here along with PD Dominic Quinn from KDKA in '64 when WEEI intensified its news and talk offerings. He was replaced at WMEX by the last Dan Donovan, who worked elsewhere under what I presume to be his real name, but I can't remember it only that he wasn't one of better known Dan Donovans (Johnny Dark, Art "Kevin O'Keefe" McTague or Blaine Harvey) so I'm not sure who it really was. Ironically, Fredericks ended up back at Richmond Bros. outlet in 1975 when they were talking more and playing records less (Roy Fox in AM drive, for example), and stayed into the WITS/Mariner Communications era when he wisely left that sinking ship. I've seen some references to Fredericks going back to WEEI and doing political talk after leaving WITS, or to leaving WMEX and going back to Philly then going to WITS, but by then WEEI was all news except for the overnights, and I thought Fredericks stayed through the WMEX to WITS transition so either my memory is completely wrong or someone is confused. From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Apr 10 18:07:55 2012 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:07:55 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Per my previous post, 56 is NOT on the 7 tower. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:11 PM, "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > On 4/10/2012 7:33 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> I do not have cable or satellite TV; 100% of my TV reception, on two >> receivers here in Arlington Heights near the Lexington line ~0.5 miles >> north of Route 2, is from over-the-air signals. I've heard several >> people (some on this list, I think) insist that the OTA signal from >> Channel "5" (WCVB) has gone dark in the multi-station outage that is >> currently affecting several of the OTA signals that emnanate from what >> has historically been called the Channel 4 tower in Needham. (Since >> the other three FM/TV sites in the Newton-Needham area are in Newton, >> it would seem OK to refer to the affected tower as the Needham tower; >> FM 128, the Channel "7"/"56" self-supporter, and the Candelabra are >> all in Newton.) I can't say that a Channel "5" OTA signal has NEVER >> gone dark in this outage, but every time I have checked it out since I >> started monitoring which of the Needham stations were dark and which >> weren't (early Monday AM, IIRC), "5" has always been there and the >> reception has been at least as good as normal. >> >> So does this mean that "5" (and maybe also "2") have an auxiliary site >> either on FM 128 or the Candelabra? As far as I can tell, the only >> OTA signals that are affected are "4," "38," and "44" (including all >> of ""44's" sub-channels). Can somebody explain why some of the Needham >> signals appear unaffected? > > If 38 is now on the channel 4 tower and 56 is on the channel 7 tower, who's on the candelabra now? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Apr 10 19:27:06 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:27:06 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve left WMEX/WITS and went back to WEEI when they started 'Sports Final' at 10 PM but he was back in Philly for good by 1978. He was replaced at WITS by Glenn Ordway. He did Harvard football in 1975 on WMEX. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > He was the "other" play by play announcer the night Havlicek stole the > ball. Was working for WCAU. Would say "It sounded a lot different from > Johnny Most." > > He left WCAU for WMEX where Mac Richmond christened him Steve Fredericks. > But Mac claimed ownership of the name (even though Frederick was Oxman's > middle name),. but as he did when he sued Jerry Williams over a noncompete, > Richmond Bros. lost that one. > > After doing mostly issues talk at the Big X (sports on Friday nights with > his in-season "Pat's Pick 'em contest), he went to back to CBS with WEEI > which was getting killed by Mainella. He worked a split at EEI, nights he > first did sports on the "all news PM report," then was off from 7 -7:20 for > Lowell Thomas and then Pat Summerall and then did 7:20 to 9 as Sportsline > 59 before coming back at 5:30 a.m. for the All News AM report. EEI pushed > its talent a lot then, Len Lawrence anchored the all news morning block, > then did a talk show; at night Jim Westover did the same thing after being > lured here along with PD Dominic Quinn from KDKA in '64 when WEEI > intensified its news and talk offerings. > > He was replaced at WMEX by the last Dan Donovan, who worked elsewhere under > what I presume to be his real name, but I can't remember it only that he > wasn't one of better known Dan Donovans (Johnny Dark, Art "Kevin O'Keefe" > McTague or Blaine Harvey) so I'm not sure who it really was. > > Ironically, Fredericks ended up back at Richmond Bros. outlet in 1975 when > they were talking more and playing records less (Roy Fox in AM drive, for > example), and stayed into the WITS/Mariner Communications era when he > wisely left that sinking ship. > > I've seen some references to Fredericks going back to WEEI and doing > political talk after leaving WITS, or to leaving WMEX and going back to > Philly then going to WITS, but by then WEEI was all news except for the > overnights, and I thought Fredericks stayed through the WMEX to WITS > transition so either my memory is completely wrong or someone is confused. > From brscomm@yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 20:39:08 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:39:08 -0500 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <004f01cd175f$8551b970$8ff52c50$@net> References: <3E105AAC426946DF83FDFDF6F5A74FC3@SatU205S5044> <4F8493F3.4070001@attorneyross.com> <004f01cd175f$8551b970$8ff52c50$@net> Message-ID: <024501cd177b$827d7a10$87786e30$@yahoo.com> I understood the channel 7 tower was kind of maxed out with their side mount UHF antenna and potential ice loading in the winter. Bill -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lehmann Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:19 PM To: 'A. Joseph Ross'; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 > If 38 is now on the channel 4 tower and 56 is on the channel 7 tower, > who's on the candelabra now? 56 is not on the 7 tower. 56 and 25 are on the Candelabra. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 13:11:15 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:11:15 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: Message-ID: > He left WCAU for WMEX where Mac Richmond christened him Steve Fredericks. Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for a late night talk show a step down? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Apr 11 14:12:36 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:12:36 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I asked him that. He replied there was a girl from Brookline. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Don wrote: > > > He left WCAU for WMEX where Mac Richmond christened him Steve Fredericks. >> > > Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for a late > night talk show a step down? > > > From lsochrin@rcn.com Wed Apr 11 12:57:06 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:57:06 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Message-ID: <09A1E182-7CD8-4297-9475-6E4E0E56EF00@rcn.com> I moved to Boston in 1969 from West Philly (where Steve Fredericks grew up and I went to grad school), and remember that Steve's late night political talk show on WMEX quickly became an addiction for me. Although my politics were a bit different than his, his voice, intelligence, personality, and closing "Please, work for peace," was something I looked forward to each night. I left Boston for 2 weeks for a position with RCA Broadcast Equipment division back in Philly (actually Camden, NJ), but quickly decided that the job wasn't a fit, and happily moved back to Boston and Steve's show. Had there been internet listening then as there is now, I might have given the job in Philly a bit longer. I was sorry when he went back to sports and then he moved back to Philly. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 11 14:20:21 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:20:21 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: Message-ID: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> And you've never noticed that very few radio careers have only steps up? What planet are you living on? Anyhow, I imagine that he did OK at WMEX; he was incredibly talented and very bright. He was bound to do well as long as he was able to stay clean and sober (which wasn't always). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Karen McTrotsky" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks > > >> He left WCAU for WMEX where Mac Richmond christened him Steve >> Fredericks. > > Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for > a late night talk show a step down? > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 15:17:26 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:17:26 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035> > And you've never noticed that very few radio careers have only steps > up? What planet are you living on? Earth. Few talent (not all of course), when they make a step down in market size, don't make it back up. Can you name me a talent that after Boston, went out to say, Springfield, Hartford, Worcester, Providence, Manchester, Portland, etc....that later went onto markets the size of Boston or better? Once someone's career appears to be in decline.....there is a strike against you in the minds of programmers/managers. Again, not a hard and fast rule....but generally so. There are special cases...like Imus going to Cleveland to deal with his demons....and then back to NYC. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 11 16:07:10 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:07:10 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> <658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035> Message-ID: <0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> Well, Fredericks made moves similar to Imus's. He left Philly to come to Boston and after several moves within the Boston market, he returned to Philly. AFAIK, once he returned to Philly, the only moves he made were among CBS O&O stations in Philly: WCAU (I don't think he was ever on that frequency after it became WPHT) and WIP (AM). So now we've established that Fredericks was not unique in returning to a larger market after detouring to a smaller one. I can name a few others who have gone similar routes: I believe that Jerry Williams might have been one. After he left Chicago and returned to Boston, didn't he go very briefly to New York (WMCA, maybe) before returning, yet again, to Boston? Oh, and Gene Burns left Boston for New York (WOR), then moved to San Francisco (market #4 but New York is market #1). And while living in SF, he did shows via ISDN on two Boston-area stations (the old WKOX 1200 while Fairbanks still owned it, and Alex Langer's WMEX 1060). I don't think you can ascribe Burns's latest move (from KGO to KKSF) to the work he did on two stations licensed to MetroWest. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks > > >> And you've never noticed that very few radio careers have only >> steps >> up? What planet are you living on? > > Earth. > > Few talent (not all of course), when they make a step down in market > size, > don't make it back up. > > Can you name me a talent that after Boston, went out to say, > Springfield, > Hartford, Worcester, Providence, Manchester, Portland, etc....that > later > went onto markets the size of Boston or better? > > Once someone's career appears to be in decline.....there is a strike > against > you in the minds of programmers/managers. > > Again, not a hard and fast rule....but generally so. > > There are special cases...like Imus going to Cleveland to deal with > his > demons....and then back to NYC. > > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 11 16:44:24 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:44:24 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20120411183441.209750@gmx.com> References: <20120411183441.209750@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F85ED28.10504@fybush.com> On 4/11/2012 2:34 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Yesterday (Tuesday 04/10) I learned something new courtesy of Scott: > that the legendary, long-standing WBZ-TV > Tower at 350 Cedar Street, Needham, was no longer OWNED by WBZ/CBS. I > had never heard about Richland Towers > nor can I remember ever reading about the sale of the tower and land. I > just visited Richland Tower's website, and > evidently they're a big playah in this industry, although probably not > close to our friends at American Tower. Now it > seems WBZ/CBS may have to site new auxiliary facilites elsewhere like > the Candelabra a la Sunbeam TV, or they could > regard this incident as a rare one-off event that only affects two per > cent of the potential audience. Also, I wonder: who > booted WCRB-102.5 off the 350 Cedar Street Tower when the extra height > was added...WBZ/CBS or Richland? I believe CBS still owned the tower at that time...and without knowing the details of the contract between 102.5 and CBS, I'm not sure "booted off" is necessarily the right phrase. Tower leases expire, tower owners raise rents, and in a competitive environment like Newton-Needham, other tower owners (like, say, American Tower, which owns the "FM128" and candelabra sites) might simply have offered more favorable terms. As for Richland, it is indeed a "playah," and a fairly substantial one these days. Buying most of the CBS and NBC tower portfolios a few years back certainly helped. s From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 11 14:34:41 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:34:41 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 Message-ID: <20120411183441.209750@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Fybush >Sent: 04/10/12 04:26 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 >On 4/10/2012 4:22 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4/10/2012 11:01 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> WCVB has an auxiliary antenna side-mounted on the Needham tower, and >> it's operating from there at low power. > > I thought WBZ-TV had a smaller tower next to the big one, which would > allow them to transmit, albeit with low range, if anything happened to > the big tower. When I read about it, I surmised that it was a response > to the problems they had after the fall of the large Soldiers Field Road > tower in 1953. > >That smaller tower was an auxiliary analog channel 4 facility. It was >never retrofitted for DTV use. >It will be interesting to see how quickly CBS moves now to establish >some sort of auxiliary DTV transmitting capability for WBZ and WSBK. >Educated speculation is that they might look to put it over at the >candelabra, where they're still renting the old WSBK analog transmitter >room. >s Yesterday (Tuesday 04/10) I learned something new courtesy of Scott: that the legendary, long-standing WBZ-TV Tower at 350 Cedar Street, Needham, was no longer OWNED by WBZ/CBS. I had never heard about Richland Towers nor can I remember ever reading about the sale of the tower and land. I just visited Richland Tower's website, and evidently they're a big playah in this industry, although probably not close to our friends at American Tower. Now it seems WBZ/CBS may have to site new auxiliary facilites elsewhere like the Candelabra a la Sunbeam TV, or they could regard this incident as a rare one-off event that only affects two per cent of the potential audience. Also, I wonder: who booted WCRB-102.5 off the 350 Cedar Street Tower when the extra height was added...WBZ/CBS or Richland? From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 11 17:16:29 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:16:29 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 Message-ID: <20120411211629.209760@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Fybush >Sent: 04/11/12 04:44 PM >To: Laurence Glavin >Subject: Re: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 >I believe CBS still owned the tower at that time...and without knowing >the details of the contract between 102.5 and CBS, I'm not sure "booted >off" is necessarily the right phrase. > >Tower leases expire, tower owners raise rents, and in a competitive >environment like Newton-Needham, other tower owners (like, say, American >Tower, which owns the "FM128" and candelabra sites) might simply have >offered more favorable terms. That 360-degree dual-polarized or circularly polarized antenna put out a GIANT signal for WCRB 102.5 when it was 15K @ 920'. Where I live, 30 miles north of the junction of route 9 and 128, it was the best signal of any FM broadcasting from there. The live Boston Symphony Orchestra broadcasts on Saturday nights were flawless (as they are now on 99.5 both live and on tape-delay the next day). But it appears that WCRB 102.5 moved hurriedly at just about the time work was started on the DTV add-on. It's possible that you had a picture of the old 102.5 antenna scattered at the base of the tower one time at NERW. The rent at any route 126-area tower would likely be the same, and WCRB from what I understand didn't have the option of moving to The Pru because of the 10.7 interference it might cause to WUMB-FM 91.9. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 17:45:54 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:45:54 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044><658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035> <0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > He left Philly to come > to Boston and after several moves within the Boston market, he > returned to Philly. AFAIK, once he returned to Philly, the only moves > he made were among CBS O&O stations in Philly: WCAU (I don't think he > was ever on that frequency after it became WPHT) and WIP (AM). So now > we've established that Fredericks was not unique in returning to a > larger market after detouring to a smaller one. What was unique was that Philly was his home town. (and there was no girl in brookline.), and he went back "home" where there was a welcome mat. > I can name a few > others who have gone similar routes: I believe that Jerry Williams > might have been one. After he left Chicago and returned to Boston, > didn't he go very briefly to New York (WMCA, maybe) before returning, > yet again, to Boston? Where was the smaller market? His New York experience lasted all of about 3 weeks....for (at the time) struggling little WMCA.) > Oh, and Gene Burns left Boston for New York > (WOR), then moved to San Francisco (market #4 but New York is market > #1). We're talking apples and oranges Boucing around the Major Markets is all pretty much lateral moves. But again, moving from Clear Channel CBS O&O WCAU to Max Richmonds WMEX (5KW at night) to do a late night talk show isn't quite a lateral move. I'm sure career couselors would've advised against it. But then again, there was a girl in Brookline...and that changes everything. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Apr 11 17:08:00 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F85F2B0.6030808@donnahalper.com> it was asked-- >> Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for >> a late night talk show a step down? >> Actually no, back then. Mac had come from Philly, where he ran an ad agency (with offices in DC as well, if I recall correctly); it was while in Philly that he heard and later recruited Jerry Williams; and Mac still had a lot of contacts in that area of the country. Working at WMEX was still seen as a good career move because being a talk host in Boston was very high-visibility, and usually got you lots of publicity. And while I am not accusing the late Mr Fredericks of anything, Dan is correct in mentioning being clean and sober. Some career moves were fueled by needing to get out of a market and start again somewhere else, often as a result of drug or alcohol problems. It was the industry's dirty little secret and few discussed it. From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 11 17:18:10 2012 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:18:10 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20120411211629.209760@gmx.com> References: <20120411211629.209760@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F85F512.7090409@fybush.com> On 4/11/2012 5:16 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> The rent at any route 126-area tower would likely be the same, and WCRB from what I understand >> didn't have the option of moving to The Pru because of the 10.7 interference it might cause to WUMB-FM 91.9. True on the second point. Not at all true on the first. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 11 18:02:32 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:02:32 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044><658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035> <0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5970332C297F41AE929C9979B1A14EB2@SatU205S5044> Lemme see if I can get this right: Moving from Philly to Boston was (or should have been) a step down, but moving from New York to Boston was not and moving from San Francisco to Boston was not. And you have the nerve to say that you live on earth? If you don't in fact live on another planet, you certainly do have a weirdly distorted sense of reality. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks > > >> He left Philly to come >> to Boston and after several moves within the Boston market, he >> returned to Philly. AFAIK, once he returned to Philly, the only >> moves >> he made were among CBS O&O stations in Philly: WCAU (I don't think >> he >> was ever on that frequency after it became WPHT) and WIP (AM). So >> now >> we've established that Fredericks was not unique in returning to a >> larger market after detouring to a smaller one. > > What was unique was that Philly was his home town. (and there was no > girl in brookline.), and he went back "home" where there was a > welcome mat. > >> I can name a few >> others who have gone similar routes: I believe that Jerry Williams >> might have been one. After he left Chicago and returned to Boston, >> didn't he go very briefly to New York (WMCA, maybe) before >> returning, >> yet again, to Boston? > > Where was the smaller market? His New York experience lasted all of > about 3 weeks....for (at the time) struggling little WMCA.) > >> Oh, and Gene Burns left Boston for New York >> (WOR), then moved to San Francisco (market #4 but New York is >> market >> #1). > > We're talking apples and oranges Boucing around the Major Markets > is all pretty much lateral moves. > > But again, moving from Clear Channel CBS O&O WCAU to Max Richmonds > WMEX (5KW at night) to do a late night talk show isn't quite a > lateral move. > > I'm sure career couselors would've advised against it. > > But then again, there was a girl in Brookline...and that changes > everything. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:44:39 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:44:39 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <4F85F2B0.6030808@donnahalper.com> References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> <4F85F2B0.6030808@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I met the girl from Brookline - who would become Steve's wife. Steve would have gone to Chicoutimi if need be. Geoff Fox remembers the Steve from Boston. http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2012/04/10/on-the-passing-of-steve-fredericks.php On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > > it was asked-- > >>> Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for >>> a late night talk show a step down? >>> > > Actually no, back then. Mac had come from Philly, where he ran an ad agency (with offices in DC as well, if I recall correctly); it was while in Philly that he heard and later recruited Jerry Williams; and Mac still had a lot of contacts in that area of the country. Working at WMEX was still seen as a good career move because being a talk host in Boston was very high-visibility, and usually got you lots of publicity. And while I am not accusing the late Mr Fredericks of anything, Dan is correct in mentioning being clean and sober. Some career moves were fueled by needing to get out of a market and start again somewhere else, often as a result of drug or alcohol problems. It was the industry's dirty little secret and few discussed it. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Apr 11 19:12:26 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:12:26 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <5970332C297F41AE929C9979B1A14EB2@SatU205S5044> References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> <658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035> <0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> <5970332C297F41AE929C9979B1A14EB2@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: To clear up something. Steve actually worked for N W Ayer which was an ad agency that had the Philadelphia 76ers radio rights and leased the time from WCAU. The NBA of 1965 was still a low budget league and the Sixers were just getting started having moved from Syracuse. The WMEX of 1965 was at the top of the heap. When he got there his first job was driving the WMEX Commuter Cruiser where he would pick a license plate and if you heard the number you would win $10. Mac did this as he wanted him to learn the area first. Mac wanted Al Kennedy to do the show but Al did not want to ruffle feathers with his State House contacts. Al broke quite a few stories about Beacon Hill. Fred Dryfus took over from Jerry briefly but Mac knew it would be short term. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > Lemme see if I can get this right: Moving from Philly to Boston was > (or should have been) a step down, but moving from New York to Boston > was not and moving from San Francisco to Boston was not. And you have > the nerve to say that you live on earth? If you don't in fact live on > another planet, you certainly do have a weirdly distorted sense of > reality. > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:45 PM > > Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks > > >> >> >>> He left Philly to come >>> to Boston and after several moves within the Boston market, he >>> returned to Philly. AFAIK, once he returned to Philly, the only >>> moves >>> he made were among CBS O&O stations in Philly: WCAU (I don't think >>> he >>> was ever on that frequency after it became WPHT) and WIP (AM). So >>> now >>> we've established that Fredericks was not unique in returning to a >>> larger market after detouring to a smaller one. >> >> >> What was unique was that Philly was his home town. (and there was no >> girl in brookline.), and he went back "home" where there was a >> welcome mat. >> >>> I can name a few >>> others who have gone similar routes: I believe that Jerry Williams >>> might have been one. After he left Chicago and returned to Boston, >>> didn't he go very briefly to New York (WMCA, maybe) before >>> returning, >>> yet again, to Boston? >> >> >> Where was the smaller market? His New York experience lasted all of >> about 3 weeks....for (at the time) struggling little WMCA.) >> >>> Oh, and Gene Burns left Boston for New York >>> (WOR), then moved to San Francisco (market #4 but New York is >>> market >>> #1). >> >> >> We're talking apples and oranges Boucing around the Major Markets >> is all pretty much lateral moves. >> >> But again, moving from Clear Channel CBS O&O WCAU to Max Richmonds >> WMEX (5KW at night) to do a late night talk show isn't quite a >> lateral move. >> >> I'm sure career couselors would've advised against it. >> >> But then again, there was a girl in Brookline...and that changes >> everything. > > From lsochrin@rcn.com Wed Apr 11 23:09:32 2012 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:09:32 -0400 Subject: RIP: Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After reading Dan Strassberg's reference to Gene Burns, I took a look at KKSF's website and found the following: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 A Message From Gene... >From Gene Burns: To My listeners and Friends in NewsTalk910 Family. The past few weeks has brought a great number of changes, and a vast silence. For the silence, please accept my apologies. I have been recovering from a Stroke, which has affected the speech center of my brain in the form of Aphasia. In this third month of recovery, I am enthusiastic and thankful for the progress I have made, due in no small part to the great amount of help I have received from UCSF, St. Francis, and the Sutter Health care groups. Most days, I have speech therapy and visits from great friends and colleagues. I would like to wish everybody well, and to say thank you to the NewsTalk910 family for sticking by me. Many of the NewsTalk 910 line-up of hosts have reached out, including of course Len Tillem, my long time friend and advisor. A special thank you to my colleagues; to John, Gil, Rosie, Ed, Dr. Bill, James and the rest for stepping up to the plate for me. Most importantly; thank you to all of you who Listen, Tweet, Facebook and tell friends about me, and my Program. Although I do not have a specific date for my return to the Air, I listen each day to NewsTalk 910, giving me motivation to re-join the conversation about the issues of the day. With gratitude for your support, Gene Gene Burns, NewsTalk 910 (From http://www.newstalk910.com/pages/gene-burns.html#ixzz1rn7rNBie) From: "Dan.Strassberg" > Oh, and Gene Burns left Boston for New York > (WOR), then moved to San Francisco (market #4 but New York is market > #1). And while living in SF, he did shows via ISDN on two Boston-area > stations (the old WKOX 1200 while Fairbanks still owned it, and Alex > Langer's WMEX 1060). I don't think you can ascribe Burns's latest move > (from KGO to KKSF) to the work he did on two stations licensed to > MetroWest. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 12 00:12:58 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:12:58 -0400 Subject: Channel "5" during Boston's great OTA TV outage of 2012 In-Reply-To: <20120411211629.209760@gmx.com> References: <20120411211629.209760@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4F86564A.8080505@attorneyross.com> On 4/11/2012 5:16 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > That 360-degree dual-polarized or circularly polarized antenna put out a GIANT signal for WCRB 102.5 when it was 15K @ 920'. Where I live, 30 miles north of the junction of route 9 and 128, it was the best signal of any FM broadcasting from there. The live Boston Symphony Orchestra broadcasts on Saturday nights were flawless (as they are now on 99.5 both live and on tape-delay the next day). But it appears that WCRB 102.5 moved hurriedly at just about the time work was started on the DTV add-on. It's possible that you had a picture of the old 102.5 an! > tenna scattered at the base of the tower one time at NERW. The rent at any route 126-area tower would likely be the same, and WCRB from what I understand didn't have the option of moving to The Pru because of the 10.7 interference it might cause to WUMB-FM 91.9. I tended to have trouble picking up the signal in Brookline because of images from many of the other FM stations at the Pru and at FM 128. My oldest tube radios did the best job of rejecting the spurious signals. In my office downtown, I used to have to re-tune the radio frequently. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 01:52:05 2012 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:52:05 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044><658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035><0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> <5970332C297F41AE929C9979B1A14EB2@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <3A2B166B347F4BD0B42D326EBD99341F@s20035> > Lemme see if I can get this right: Moving from Philly to Boston was > (or should have been) a step down, Also taking into account it was from WCAU's dominance as a clear channel CBS O&O....to Mac Richmonds 5kw (at night) WMEX to do late nights. Yes, it was a step down. But we take into account the girl in Brookline. > but moving from New York to Boston > was not Who moved from New York to Boston? (Are you counting Jerry Williams 3 weeks at WMCA as being in NY?) > and moving from San Francisco to Boston was not. Doing a show off ISDN is not "moving from SF to Boston". (Especially since it was not successful.) > you certainly do have a weirdly distorted sense of > reality. I've already proven your 2 instances as folly.... However, I've already said moving between major markets in pretty much a lateral move. The reality you dont seem to get is not based so much on geography...as it is based on the institution that WCAU was....and the role of WMEX. But if we have a question about azimuth....we'll be sure to check with you Dan. From wvnh@wvnh.net Thu Apr 12 12:37:00 2012 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (JackM) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8704AC.7090907@wvnh.net> It irks me to see a nice person referred to as "the girl from Brookline". LOL! Her name was Brenda and she was a sweetheart. Steve was my best man and Brenda was my wife's maid of honor when we got married in April of '71. Wish I knew where she was now. And Geoff Fox has Steve pretty much nailed. I was there as MD from July of '69 to early '71. I seem to remember Geoff and Doug Boyle splitting time as Steve's producer then but it's been 40 years and I could be wrong. Personally, I feel bad that I kept putting off getting back in touch with Steve after he went to Philly. It was always "yeah, I really should do it" and then moved on to the other pressing issues of my life at that time. Procrastination is never a good thing. Jack Marshall From: Kevin Vahey Date: 4/11/2012 6:44 PM To: Donna Halper CC: Karen McTrotsky , boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org I met the girl from Brookline - who would become Steve's wife. Steve would have gone to Chicoutimi if need be. Geoff Fox remembers the Steve from Boston. http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2012/04/10/on-the-passing-of-steve-fredericks.php On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > it was asked-- > >>> Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for >>> a late night talk show a step down? >>> > Actually no, back then. Mac had come from Philly, where he ran an ad agency (with offices in DC as well, if I recall correctly); it was while in Philly that he heard and later recruited Jerry Williams; and Mac still had a lot of contacts in that area of the country. Working at WMEX was still seen as a good career move because being a talk host in Boston was very high-visibility, and usually got you lots of publicity. And while I am not accusing the late Mr Fredericks of anything, Dan is correct in mentioning being clean and sober. Some career moves were fueled by needing to get out of a market and start again somewhere else, often as a result of drug or alcohol problems. It was the industry's dirty little secret and few discussed it. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 13:38:44 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:38:44 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <4F8704AC.7090907@wvnh.net> References: <4F8704AC.7090907@wvnh.net> Message-ID: Jack I was certainly not trying to demean Brenda in any way. Steve's producing core back then was Geoff, Howie Lapides, and Paul Burke (Brownstein) They replaced Doug Boyle and Steve Kissell. Kissell left when he was drafted and went to Vietnam. Sadly he passed 10 years ago. Doug went to work for the Father's Bar chain and I haven't seen him in 40 years. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, JackM wrote: > It irks me to see a nice person referred to as "the girl from Brookline". > LOL! Her name was Brenda and she was a sweetheart. Steve was my best man > and Brenda was my wife's maid of honor when we got married in April of '71. > Wish I knew where she was now. > > And Geoff Fox has Steve pretty much nailed. I was there as MD from July of > '69 to early '71. I seem to remember Geoff and Doug Boyle splitting time as > Steve's producer then but it's been 40 years and I could be wrong. > > Personally, I feel bad that I kept putting off getting back in touch with > Steve after he went to Philly. It was always "yeah, I really should do it" > and then moved on to the other pressing issues of my life at that time. > Procrastination is never a good thing. > > Jack Marshall > > > > From: > Kevin Vahey > Date: > 4/11/2012 6:44 PM > > To: > Donna Halper > CC: > Karen McTrotsky , boston-radio-interest@lists.** > bostonradio.org > > > > I met the girl from Brookline - who would become Steve's wife. Steve would > have gone to Chicoutimi if need be. Geoff Fox remembers the Steve from > Boston. http://www.geofffox.com/MT/**archives/2012/04/10/on-the-** > passing-of-steve-fredericks.**phpOn Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Donna Halper < > dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote: > >> it was asked-- >> >> Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac Richmond's WMEX for >>>> a late night talk show a step down? >>>> >>>> Actually no, back then. Mac had come from Philly, where he ran an ad >> > agency (with offices in DC as well, if I recall correctly); it was while in > Philly that he heard and later recruited Jerry Williams; and Mac still had > a lot of contacts in that area of the country. Working at WMEX was still > seen as a good career move because being a talk host in Boston was very > high-visibility, and usually got you lots of publicity. And while I am not > accusing the late Mr Fredericks of anything, Dan is correct in mentioning > being clean and sober. Some career moves were fueled by needing to get out > of a market and start again somewhere else, often as a result of drug or > alcohol problems. It was the industry's dirty little secret and few > discussed it. > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 12 17:08:10 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:08:10 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <3A2B166B347F4BD0B42D326EBD99341F@s20035> References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044><658F307D0A1E4E75BD8D74CF175A8BF1@s20035><0991A9424E2144A68426EA47C1CF2B90@SatU205S5044> <5970332C297F41AE929C9979B1A14EB2@SatU205S5044> <3A2B166B347F4BD0B42D326EBD99341F@s20035> Message-ID: <4F87443A.7080308@attorneyross.com> On 4/12/2012 1:52 AM, Don wrote: . > > But if we have a question about azimuth....we'll be sure to check with > you Dan. Is this related to Isaac Asimuth? :-) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wvnh@wvnh.net Thu Apr 12 18:04:31 2012 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (JackM) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:04:31 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: <4F8704AC.7090907@wvnh.net> Message-ID: <4F87516F.20009@wvnh.net> Not a problem, Kevin. No disrespect inferred. Forgot about Steve Kissell. Definitely remember that name. BTW, here's a photo of Brenda and my soon-to-be wife sitting in Steve's studio as he was on the air circa 1970. http://home.comcast.net/~wvnh/48.jpg Jack On 4/12/2012 1:38 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Jack I was certainly not trying to demean Brenda in any way. > > Steve's producing core back then was Geoff, Howie Lapides, and Paul > Burke (Brownstein) > > They replaced Doug Boyle and Steve Kissell. > > Kissell left when he was drafted and went to Vietnam. Sadly he passed > 10 years ago. > > Doug went to work for the Father's Bar chain and I haven't seen him in > 40 years. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, JackM > wrote: > > It irks me to see a nice person referred to as "the girl from > Brookline". LOL! Her name was Brenda and she was a sweetheart. > Steve was my best man and Brenda was my wife's maid of honor when > we got married in April of '71. Wish I knew where she was now. > > And Geoff Fox has Steve pretty much nailed. I was there as MD from > July of '69 to early '71. I seem to remember Geoff and Doug Boyle > splitting time as Steve's producer then but it's been 40 years and > I could be wrong. > > Personally, I feel bad that I kept putting off getting back in > touch with Steve after he went to Philly. It was always "yeah, I > really should do it" and then moved on to the other pressing > issues of my life at that time. Procrastination is never a good thing. > > Jack Marshall > > > > From: > Kevin Vahey > > Date: > 4/11/2012 6:44 PM > > To: > Donna Halper > > CC: > Karen McTrotsky >, > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > > > > > I met the girl from Brookline - who would become Steve's wife. > Steve would have gone to Chicoutimi if need be. Geoff Fox > remembers the Steve from Boston. > http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2012/04/10/on-the-passing-of-steve-fredericks.php > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Donna Halper > wrote: > > it was asked-- > > Isn't leaving historic icon WCAU...to go to Mac > Richmond's WMEX for > a late night talk show a step down? > > Actually no, back then. Mac had come from Philly, where he > ran an ad > > agency (with offices in DC as well, if I recall correctly); it was > while in > Philly that he heard and later recruited Jerry Williams; and Mac > still had > a lot of contacts in that area of the country. Working at WMEX > was still > seen as a good career move because being a talk host in Boston was > very > high-visibility, and usually got you lots of publicity. And while > I am not > accusing the late Mr Fredericks of anything, Dan is correct in > mentioning > being clean and sober. Some career moves were fueled by needing > to get out > of a market and start again somewhere else, often as a result of > drug or > alcohol problems. It was the industry's dirty little secret and few > discussed it. > > > -- My email address on the header is a non-monitored spam catching account. I can be reached via http://www.wvnh.net/contact.htm The dates for the next RADP Meet are December 10-13, 2010 for RADP-XV (http://meets.radp.org). From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 20:52:22 2012 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: <4F87443A.7080308@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1334278342.73754.YahooMailClassic@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Is this related to Isaac Asimuth? :-) And Isador Isobar! From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Apr 13 15:17:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:17:01 -0400 Subject: Gil Santos may not return to Patriots play by play Message-ID: Sadly the Globe reports Gil is quite ill and is in a rehab right now. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2012/04/13/ailment_clouds_future_for_patriots_announcer_gil_santos/?page=full Prayers for Gil. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 15:30:45 2012 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gil Santos may not return to Patriots play by play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1334345445.32523.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have to agree that I don't see Gary Tanguay doing PBP unless it's only for a game and they know that Gil is returning. (Gary has performed this roll a few times during Celtics games when Mike Gorman has been ill.) Dale Arnold is out since he signed an extension with WEEI recently.? I hope Gil gets well and if it takes leaving the job so be it. It's been a good run - he should take it easy and enjoy life without worrying about travel. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Gil Santos may not return to Patriots play by play Sadly the Globe reports Gil is quite ill and is in a rehab right now. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2012/04/13/ailment_clouds_future_for_patriots_announcer_gil_santos/?page=full Prayers for Gil. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 15 00:54:30 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:54:30 -0400 Subject: need some help from list-members In-Reply-To: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> References: <86430F387E5C43E58D62E50F96FDE389@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F8A5486.6070001@donnahalper.com> I am cross-posting this to several lists. Sorry if this is a repeat for any of you! I am teaching a course in writing for media, and I would like to show my students some recent examples of commercial copy, PSA's, news copy, sales publicity (one-sheets talking about the station to potential advertisers), or whatever else would be typical of the kinds of writing they might see at a radio or TV station. If you have anything you could share, could you let me know off-list? Thanks much. From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Apr 16 10:46:10 2012 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:46:10 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? Message-ID: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-station-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as saying he wants to re-connect with the listener. Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the standard FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they are... have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be enough?) From atolz@comcast.net Mon Apr 16 13:35:27 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:35:27 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> Message-ID: <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position. I would also guess that like all other great radio stations before it, once it ceases to exist on the FM or AM bands, there's not critical mass left from WBCN's former listening base to migrate en masse to a different form of delivery. If there was, many of the alternative and rock stations around the country that left the format to chase A 25-54 dollars in their respective markets over the past 3-5 years would be thriving as internet streamers or HD2 stations. HD will not reach enough consumers to matter much. Not in my lifetime, anyway. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-station-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y > > New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old > 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD > radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio > belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as saying > he wants to re-connect with > the listener. > > Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to > get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the > standard FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they > are... > have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be > enough?) > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Apr 16 14:32:28 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:32:28 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> Message-ID: Good point on all. I'll add that Eli Polonsky said to me on facebook that those who are enjoying "WBCN" are hearing it on the online stream on computers and "portable devices like iPhones" and in the end many probably won't get an HD radio or use one they already have, since they have those other options. So maybe it's strictly a niche format, one that wasn't able to capitalize on terrestrial radio and now resorts to the other methods, but HD radio in general, or Web/iPhone listening, isn't too much a piece of the audience pie despite some high hopes. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's > audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position. ?I would also guess that > like all other great radio stations before it, once it ceases to exist on > the FM or AM bands, there's not critical mass left from WBCN's former > listening base to migrate en masse to a different form of delivery. ?If > there was, many of the alternative and rock stations around the country that > left the format to chase A 25-54 dollars in their respective markets over > the past 3-5 years would be thriving as internet streamers or HD2 stations. > HD will not reach enough consumers to matter much. ?Not in my lifetime, > anyway. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:46 AM > Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? > > > >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-station-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y >> >> New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old >> 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD >> radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio >> belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as saying >> he wants to re-connect with >> the listener. >> >> Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to >> get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the standard >> FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they are... >> have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be >> enough?) >> > From rbello@belloassoc.com Mon Apr 16 15:39:00 2012 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:39:00 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-station-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y > > New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old > 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD > radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio > belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as > saying he wants to re-connect with > the listener. > > Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to > get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the standard > FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they are... > have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be > enough?) > CBS does promote "The Cove" WODS-HD2 on air regularly. What I don't understand is why another AC station ? Yes, WMJX bills well but...... Thought the industry was going to use HD-2s and 3s to offer new / different formats. It is more of the same old to me. Until there is something worth the cost of HD radios to force the sale, it will languish. My 2010 auto came with HD but rarely use it. News on WBZ sounds great when the HD is locked in but it drops out so often that it is annoying. From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Apr 16 14:49:58 2012 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> Message-ID: <1d7269dd-b46e-43c6-e363-950a5e976a7e@me.com> On Apr 16, 2012, at 01:35 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: > I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's > audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position. They actually put WBCN on WZLX-HD3. I'm surprised the New York Times didn't mention this, but there are two HD stations branded as WBCN: the freeform WBCN on WZLX's HD, and the "Rock Revolution" WBCN on WBZ-FM's HD. It's one way to salute both identities of the legendary station, but could it get more confusing? I bet they would sell a lot of HD radios if they put the Red Sox on HD2, exclusively. Or Howard Stern.? From billohno@gmail.com Mon Apr 16 15:53:15 2012 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:53:15 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> Message-ID: <024fcbbf-0e40-40ba-869c-82cac9c27a2f@email.android.com> I would think that if any former heritage station could pull it off it would be WBCN. Bill O'Neill If there was, many of the alternative and rock stations around the country that left the format to chase A 25-54 dollars in their respective markets over the past 3-5 years would be thriving as internet streamers or HD2 stations. HD will not reach enough consumers to matter much. Not in my lifetime, anyway. Alan -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please pardon my brevity. From atolz@comcast.net Mon Apr 16 15:23:56 2012 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:23:56 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? References: <1d7269dd-b46e-43c6-e363-950a5e976a7e@me.com> Message-ID: <76D79324A15C4692AD61C8A8290427F2@mediacenter> That's interesting about the ZLX HD side channels. As for exclusive, desireable programming available on HD only, the economics don't work out...Howard on Sirius/XM has only 9% of his FM audience, and that was with the allure of being able to talk about things and use language not allowed on FM/AM. The only reason this works at all is that the number of subs he brought to satellite radio nationally coverved their commitment to him. Another issue with HD is that those signals are not as robust as their analog counterparts and they are on/off rather than degrading with static, so they don't offer a fringe listening area. In my view, IBOC HD is an unmitigated failure based on the number of receivers vs. the number of potential users and the contours that they cover. There are thousands of hours of great radio of the past from each market that could fill an HD station in virtually every top 20 radio market in America. It would be compelling and entertaining and it would not reach critical mass nor would it be profitable. If HD2 or HD3 was viable, it would show up in PPM numbers more so than it does. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Laurence To: Alan Tolz Cc: Bob Nelson ; BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? On Apr 16, 2012, at 01:35 PM, Alan Tolz wrote: I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position. They actually put WBCN on WZLX-HD3. I'm surprised the New York Times didn't mention this, but there are two HD stations branded as WBCN: the freeform WBCN on WZLX's HD, and the "Rock Revolution" WBCN on WBZ-FM's HD. It's one way to salute both identities of the legendary station, but could it get more confusing? I bet they would sell a lot of HD radios if they put the Red Sox on HD2, exclusively. Or Howard Stern. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 16 20:08:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:08:36 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <1d7269dd-b46e-43c6-e363-950a5e976a7e@me.com> References: <1d7269dd-b46e-43c6-e363-950a5e976a7e@me.com> Message-ID: <4F8CB484.5060304@attorneyross.com> On 4/16/2012 2:49 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > They actually put WBCN on WZLX-HD3. I'm surprised the New York > Times didn't mention this, but there are two HD stations branded as > WBCN: the freeform WBCN on WZLX's HD, and the "Rock Revolution" > WBCN on WBZ-FM's HD. It's one way to salute both identities of > the legendary station, but could it get more confusing? You mean two of the three identities of WBCN. There was also WBCN the Concert Network. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brscomm@yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 20:27:34 2012 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1334622454.46219.YahooMailClassic@web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here in St. Louis, KSHE has a sort of similar 'free form' HD-2?but?it's?primarily?oldies.? Emmis won't give them any budget to stream or advertise. I?occasionally listen to the?'BCN free form stream?but more frequently, it's?KSHE?HD-2 in the truck. ? As it is today, with the HD-2 signals being mostly commercial free, I prefer to listen to them instead of the main channel. Corporate radio is unlistenable after ten minutes if that long. ? I agree with what Sam is trying to do. If he could only get the suits to listen, I'm sure ratings would improve. At least they let him stream. ? We have HD and Sirius in our Explorer. I prefer HD and the wife prefers Sirius. Bill ? ? -- On Mon, 4/16/12, Bob Nelson wrote: From: Bob Nelson Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 9:46 AM http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-station-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as saying he wants to re-connect with the listener. Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the standard FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they are... have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be enough?) From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 07:45:00 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:45:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? Message-ID: <15958358.1334663101060.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:46:10 -0400 >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: BostonRadio Mailing List > >Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? This station does have some listenership, but very few are listening on HD radios. Most are listening to its online stream at http://www.wbcn.com (the leftmost silver link that says "WBCN Free Form", NOT the "WBCN The Rock of Boston" link) on computers and various portable digital devices, iPhones, etc... I listen on HD radio, but very few others do. > Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for > the old 'BCN Not nostalgia, the station plays at least as much new music and recent releases as older music that spans WBCN's on-air years from the late '60s to the 2000's. Sam Kopper truly wants to make it a contemporary version of WBCN, and he adamantly keeps repeating "this is not a nostalgia trip". In fact, many listeners who I've spoken to (in my older than prime sponsorship demographic) tell me that they're disappointed that it isn't focused on more music from WBCN's late '60s/'70s heyday. > I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. > Maybe they are... I have heard brief spots for it on WZLX, as well as for WZLX HD2, which is Carter Alan's automated blues/blues-rock channel "Radio Mojo". Eli Polonsky From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 15:47:53 2012 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:47:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") Message-ID: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials". (Anyone remember the cheesy '70s sci-fi movie "ET"?) Many people are now labeling any form of radio that is not conventional analog broadcast radio as not being "terrestrial", including HD radio and internet radio. As far as I know, the only type of radio that is not "terrestrial" is satellite radio (such as Sirius/XM) because the signal (that we receive) is rebroadcast from a satellite up in space. HD radio is broadcast from the same transmitters as their parent analog stations, ON THE EARTH, so it's making me cringe when I keep hearing people refer to HD radio as not being "terrestrial". I don't see anything about internet radio that would classify it as not being "terrestrial" either, though I keep hearing people also calling it not "terrestrial" as opposed to analog radio (though some wireless forms are rebroadcast via satellites). I wonder if it will become one of those words that will have its official dictionary definition changed due to wide misuse? Eli Polonsky From paul@derrynh.net Tue Apr 17 17:10:29 2012 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:10:29 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") In-Reply-To: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1D5F8AF31B8C4A09AF4AF28E0A9440AD@PaulPC> Ummmm.....ET was 1982.... Close Encounters was 1979....if that is what you were thinking about. I listened to FF WBCN (WZLX HD 3) and the bus man kept harping on the 'new listeners due to the NYT story' and talking about how they want to make BCN a full blown replica of the 1968-early 80s brand of WBCN. -Paul Hopfgarten -Epping NH -----Original Message----- From: Eli Polonsky Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:47 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials". (Anyone remember the cheesy '70s sci-fi movie "ET"?) Many people are now labeling any form of radio that is not conventional analog broadcast radio as not being "terrestrial", including HD radio and internet radio. As far as I know, the only type of radio that is not "terrestrial" is satellite radio (such as Sirius/XM) because the signal (that we receive) is rebroadcast from a satellite up in space. HD radio is broadcast from the same transmitters as their parent analog stations, ON THE EARTH, so it's making me cringe when I keep hearing people refer to HD radio as not being "terrestrial". I don't see anything about internet radio that would classify it as not being "terrestrial" either, though I keep hearing people also calling it not "terrestrial" as opposed to analog radio (though some wireless forms are rebroadcast via satellites). I wonder if it will become one of those words that will have its official dictionary definition changed due to wide misuse? Eli Polonsky From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 18 07:39:44 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:39:44 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") References: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1ACB769A412A48C5A74AC86369D9EE78@SatU205S5044> The correct adjective that lumps all forms of radio that are not conventional analog is, of course, digital. Satellite radio and HD Radio are both digital. FM sub-carrier services (reading for the blind) are not digital, however; they are analog but are not receivable by conventional analog receivers. If you are looking for a single adjective to characterize the combination of analog and HD Radio that is in use at all radio stations in North America (AM and FM) that broadcast in HD, the word would be hybrid. Hybrid appears to have achieved zero traction, however. Also, iBiquity, which holds the copyright on the term HD Radio, has repeatedly explained that the HD in HD radio stands for nothing at all (unlike the HD in HDTV--which stands for high definition). Moreover, AFAIK, iBiquity has never even commented on the idea of having the HD in HD Radio stand for hybrid digital. In fact, though, saying that HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital would make sense from a technical standpoint because, in its present embodiment, HD Radio is an analog-digital hybrid system. This, of course, would no longer be true if the FCC, as some people have proposed, allowed stations to transmit only the digital information (that is, if the FCC allowed stations to phase out broadcasting analog signals). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") > I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word > "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The > word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the > Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, > and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials". (Anyone > remember the cheesy '70s sci-fi movie "ET"?) > > Many people are now labeling any form of radio that > is not conventional analog broadcast radio as not > being "terrestrial", including HD radio and internet > radio. > > As far as I know, the only type of radio that is not > "terrestrial" is satellite radio (such as Sirius/XM) > because the signal (that we receive) is rebroadcast > from a satellite up in space. > > HD radio is broadcast from the same transmitters as > their parent analog stations, ON THE EARTH, so it's > making me cringe when I keep hearing people refer to > HD radio as not being "terrestrial". > > I don't see anything about internet radio that would > classify it as not being "terrestrial" either, though > I keep hearing people also calling it not "terrestrial" > as opposed to analog radio (though some wireless forms > are rebroadcast via satellites). > > I wonder if it will become one of those words that will > have its official dictionary definition changed due to > wide misuse? > > Eli Polonsky > > > > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Apr 18 15:41:30 2012 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") Message-ID: <2f5e4.6e02ac5.3cc072ea@aol.com> I am more annoyed with "wireless" like it is a new term. In a message dated 4/18/2012 12:01:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials". (Anyone remember the cheesy '70s sci-fi movie "ET"?)<< From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 18 15:18:01 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:18:01 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") In-Reply-To: <1ACB769A412A48C5A74AC86369D9EE78@SatU205S5044> References: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1ACB769A412A48C5A74AC86369D9EE78@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F8F1369.5010503@attorneyross.com> On 4/18/2012 7:39 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > This, > of course, would no longer be true if the FCC, as some people have > proposed, allowed stations to transmit only the digital information > (that is, if the FCC allowed stations to phase out broadcasting analog > signals). But with the low audience for the digital signals, why would anyone do it, even if allowed to do so? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dave@skywaves.net Wed Apr 18 16:24:03 2012 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Possible Spam(mid)]-Dick Clark Passes... Message-ID: <003201cd1da1$32935930$97ba0b90$@skywaves.net> Inside Radio is reporting the death of Dick Clark at age 82. http://www.insideradio.com/ Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527-0004 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) 650-479-2881 (fax) From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 18 17:04:24 2012 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:04:24 -0400 Subject: Dick Clark Has Passed Message-ID: <59BB0BEB0A6343E2B069C69ED04921E5@MarkOTS3> Dick Clark passed away today at age 82. CNN & Fox News had about an hour of coverage that just wrapped up. Clark was best known for his over 30 years of hosting "American Bandstand" and his 30 years on "New Year's Rockin' Eve", despite the stroke he suffered in 2004 (he missed that year's show) he continued to lead the countdown to the New Year live from Times Square until this past Dec.31st. Clark also hosted game shows, TV blooper shows, founded a TV production company and on radio the long running syndicated "Rock Roll & Remember". Mark Watson From map@mapinternet.com Wed Apr 18 18:10:53 2012 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:53 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio In-Reply-To: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28942494.1334692073602.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FBA5E708A4543D0AFD8E665EB6E1110@CASEYPC> Radio using an earth site transmitter station where the recieving station is also an earth site, using propagation in the earth's atmosphere, whether analog or digital, is "terrestrial" and satellite radio, with the exception of the urban (earth station) "boosters", is not. Internet Radio is not truly terrestrial as it is purposely sent by signal over wire and cable and not "over the earth through free space", unless you want to count wifi. It's a good question whether or not "Internet Radio" even meets the technical definition of "radio". Mark Casey, K1MAP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials". (Anyone remember the cheesy '70s sci-fi movie "ET"?) Many people are now labeling any form of radio that is not conventional analog broadcast radio as not being "terrestrial", including HD radio and internet radio. As far as I know, the only type of radio that is not "terrestrial" is satellite radio (such as Sirius/XM) because the signal (that we receive) is rebroadcast from a satellite up in space. HD radio is broadcast from the same transmitters as their parent analog stations, ON THE EARTH, so it's making me cringe when I keep hearing people refer to HD radio as not being "terrestrial". I don't see anything about internet radio that would classify it as not being "terrestrial" either, though I keep hearing people also calling it not "terrestrial" as opposed to analog radio (though some wireless forms are rebroadcast via satellites). I wonder if it will become one of those words that will have its official dictionary definition changed due to wide misuse? Eli Polonsky From sid@wrko.com Wed Apr 18 17:45:06 2012 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:45:06 +0000 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") In-Reply-To: <2f5e4.6e02ac5.3cc072ea@aol.com> References: <2f5e4.6e02ac5.3cc072ea@aol.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C8D54D2@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> >>I'm getting annoyed by the wide misuse of the word "terrestrial" by radio listeners these days. The word literally means "on the Earth" or "from the Earth", as in that humans are "terrestrial" beings, and space aliens are "extra-terrestrials".<< I'm far more annoyed by those who refuse to understand that words and language evolve over time. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From attychase@comcast.net Fri Apr 20 02:27:24 2012 From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Robert S Chase) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:27:24 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") References: Message-ID: <28D44BAF12D14D89921E568C01F86CA0@HomeOffice> I suppose it depends on how the packet went out on the backbone. If as most Internet traffic today it went over fiber, both on land and undersea, then I suppose it can be called terrestrial. However, if it made a satellite hop out into space with a hop back to earth, then I suppose you could call it partially extra-terrestrial. I prefer spaceless to terrestrial however, as in "spaceless radio.". Its just a neologism I just invented. > I don't see anything about internet radio that would > classify it as not being "terrestrial" either, though > I keep hearing people also calling it not "terrestrial" > as opposed to analog radio (though some wireless forms > are rebroadcast via satellites). > > Eli Polonsky > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 25 01:39:14 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:39:14 -0400 Subject: Story lady Robin - WHDH Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F978E02.1020801@attorneyross.com> Sometime back in 1999 I posted a question here about Robin, who hosted Children's Playhouse on WHDH many years ago. Robin's son, while googling his mother, just came across my post and replied to it. I'm sharing this with his permission, though I've removed the recent picture of her that he included because I understand that this list doesn't take attachments. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: not junk - story lady robin - WHDH Radio - 1960's Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:06:13 -0700 From: william lord To: Hello Mr. Ross, Story Lady Robin is my Mom. I was "googling" her name, just for fun and I saw your inquiry back in 2008. It's always exciting to remember our fun past. That you remembered my Mom's radio program is very nostalgic. She is alive and well in Cohasset, 82 years old with her pleasant voice, though slightly lower in tone after 40+ years. I used to be on her radio show with my sister on occasion. My Mom pre-recorded the program on Friday, and WHDH played back the tape of her between the NEWS breaks on Sunday mornings. She was/is creative and edited children's stories for the radio broadcast. She couldn't tell the 'whole' story of a "Brother's Grimm" fairytale in the time allotted on a Sunday morning. She would craft the story for radio. She gave hi-lights and sometimes a music tune for the story. My Mom, Robin was involved with summer stock dramatic plays in Maine & N.H. before I was born in 1955. I don't have good photo of her at this time, when she did the "Playhouse". But she had black hair then. (So did I) She was Bella Lagossi's 1000'th victim in the Dracula play. That got her a newspaper photo back in the early 50's. I guess I'm a vampire's son! ? She was Robin Ladd - and married, became Robin Lord (1954), My Dad passed away, she re-married as Robin Eaton. I think that my Mom did the show from 1949 - 1966 when there was a newspaper strike and WHDH wanted to pre-empt her show with more "news" and she thought it would be a good time to "bow" out. I hope you enjoy this communication as you enjoyed her show! Bill Lord --Forwarded Message Attachment-- 1950's 1960's ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Boston Network Radio Affiliations: 1950's and 1960's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * /Subject/: Re: Boston Network Radio Affiliations: 1950's and 1960's. * /From/: "A. Joseph Ross" > * /Date/: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:55:31 -0400 The "Children's Playhouse" on WHDH lasted for many years. I think I remember first listening to it when I was about 3 years old. We listened to it regularly until we moved to Albany and again after we moved to Bedford until, at some point, I must have decided I was too old for it and lost interest. Anyone know how long it continued, or anything about the hostess, who was called "Robin"? * -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Apr 26 11:20:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:20:01 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) Message-ID: It had been rumored that ESPN was close to getting a FM signal in New York but nobody thought 98.7 was in play. http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7857507/espn-new-york-1050-moving-987-fm-dial Emmis Communications has struck a deal to sell the intellectual property of the urban AC ?Kiss FM? format to YMF Media which plans to mege the higher rated format into its former rival, WBLS (107.5). Many expect the NY Yankees to move to ESPN. From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Apr 26 19:03:36 2012 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:03:36 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Many expect the NY Yankees to move to ESPN. If they leave WCBS, it will disappoint many Yankees fans in New England who enjoy WCBS's huge signal. The Yankees radio network will have to add more stations if they move to FM. Will the programming be mostly a national ESPN feed? If so, I don't see the point, thinking that New York is like Boston, with sports fans having little interest in non-local teams. Paul From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 20:52:26 2012 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) So basically WBLS is going away? Was WBLS doing that poorly that sending it off into the graveyard is a good idea? With Sports, News and Talk moving to FM....there is going to be less and less musical variety on the radio dial! In Boston, Sports has taken the place of TWO FM signals. Talk has taken the place of 1 FM Signal. I feel like it's only a matter of time that CBS sees WODS's demos get old enough that sacrificing it for a WBZ simulcast would be a good idea. (Like Entercom did with 93.7 & WEEI) That would be four music stations gone....and for some in their place a simulcast of whats available on AM. Add to that an abandonment of any reason to turn on the AM dial.... Doesn't look pretty for music lovers. From mward@iname.com Thu Apr 26 23:18:11 2012 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:18:11 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM, D. A. wrote: > So basically WBLS is going away? > WRKS is basically going away. A couple of air personalities from WRKS and assorted other stuff will move to WBLS (middays and nights, I think). From last I heard, WBLS will be the surviving entity/name. From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Apr 27 07:59:49 2012 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mike Ward wrote: > WRKS is basically going away.? A couple of air personalities from WRKS and > assorted other stuff will move to WBLS (middays and nights, I think).? From > last I heard, WBLS will be the surviving entity/name. Wasn't WBLS' ownership in the hock for deep money? Thought I read that a few weeks ago on Scott's site. I could be getting my top-of-the-dial NYC stations mixed up. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 10:57:42 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:57:42 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By the way (I'll get to the NYC situation in a minute) in Philly, Greater Media has landed the 76ers for its Sports Fanatic 97.5 and ESPN 950 (WPEN). What's interesting is the deal starts right away. As in, 97.5 will have the playoffs. 76ers may not have been happy with conflicts with Phillies or other games. Think back to 2006: Greater almost had the Red Sox. In March of that year it was said the Sox were negotiating with Greater to put the Sox on WBOS, with a possible 25 per cent ownership stake in the station. Two months or so later, Entercom wound up re-upping (and it was said most games would go on WRKO, with WEEI handling 30 games.) But if the Sox had indeed made that deal, 92.9 could have become an all sports station--the first on FM here in town. As it turned out of course CBS brought us the Sports Hub in the summer of '09 and Entercom started simulcasting WEEI on 93.7 two years later. But yes, Greater could have had an all sports station here as they do in Philly, with at least one major team's play by play. Getting back to the NYC situation, people on messageboards (Yahoo Sports, and NYC newspapers) are welcoming the FM move of WEPN, saying that they'll have much better reception. One piece I read was by someone who said they could get the Mets, etc. on WFAN just fine, but WEPN was a tough get. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 11:09:22 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:09:22 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: <1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Yes--the column is here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/local-fan-reaction-espn-york-1050-am-move-165400985--nfl.html He writes: "The ESPN 1050 AM radio signal is somewhere between "fair" and "I can't understand a word they're saying." I live across the river from Manhattan, and static frequently prevents me from listening to the station once the sun goes down. The same can't be said for ESPN New York's greatest rival, WFAN 660 AM. WFAN comes in loud and clear at my home 24 hours a day, 365 days a year." He compares WFAN's strong signal (can get it well across Pennsylvania) to WEPN and mentions friends in New Jersey having trouble with the latter. --Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 27 11:05:34 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:05:34 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> The person who reported reception problems with WEPN probably lives southwest of the transmitter site, which is close to Jersey City. WEPN protects KYW and the entire Mexcan border, both of which are southwest of the transmitter site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Sean Smyth" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) > > Getting back to the NYC situation, people on messageboards (Yahoo > Sports, and NYC newspapers) are welcoming the FM move of WEPN, > saying > that they'll have much better reception. One piece I read was by > someone who said they could get the Mets, etc. on WFAN just fine, > but > WEPN was a tough get. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 27 12:56:25 2012 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:56:25 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1A8CF441C2624B3AB8CAF8BCA6FB730D@SatU205S5044> Across the river from Manhattan, the WEPN signal should be a killer! When WEPN moved from Lyndhurst to its present location a few years ago, the station made it clear that it now was broadcasting from the closest location to Manhattan of any 50 kW AM in the market. The location is in a salt marsh, which offers great conductivity. Also, WEPN's signal does not, as the column suggests, change at sunset. What changes is the interference. CHUM does not protect WEPN and were WEPN to go off the air, CHUM would be clearly audible in New York on most nights. BTW, if the writer lived on the other side of the Hudson--that is on the west side of Manhattan--he'd have problems receiving WFAN at any time. From their site on an island in Long Island Sound just east of the Bronx, WFAN and WCBS generally lose the battle with New York's canyons of granite and steel. The conductivity in Manhattan is nearly non-existent. Almost certainly, WEPN has a better signal on the west side of Manhattan than WFAN and WCBS do. On the east side of Manhattan, however, WEPN doesn't do so well and WFAN and WCBS win big time. But the writer is correct that WFAN makes it into PA quite nicely and WFAN does not. WFAN and WCBS are ND; WEPN's directional pattern prevents much coverage of most of NJ. The signal in Port Jervis NY (near the northwest corner of NJ) is probably OK, though--at least during the day. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Sean Smyth" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:09 AM Subject: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) > Yes--the column is here: > > http://sports.yahoo.com/news/local-fan-reaction-espn-york-1050-am-move-165400985--nfl.html > > He writes: > "The ESPN 1050 AM radio signal is somewhere between "fair" and "I > can't understand a word they're saying." I live across the river > from > Manhattan, and static frequently prevents me from listening to the > station once the sun goes down. The same can't be said for ESPN New > York's greatest rival, WFAN 660 AM. WFAN comes in loud and clear at > my > home 24 hours a day, 365 days a year." > > He compares WFAN's strong signal (can get it well across > Pennsylvania) > to WEPN and mentions friends in New Jersey having trouble with the > latter. > > --Bob From sid@wrko.com Fri Apr 27 09:54:16 2012 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:54:16 +0000 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C8E1B44@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "So basically WBLS is going away?" No. The two stations are "merging." WBLS is the surviving call sign and 107.5 the frequency, but there will be elements of both stations in the revised format. "With Sports, News and Talk moving to FM....there is going to be less and less musical variety on the radio dial! "In Boston, Sports has taken the place of TWO FM signals. "Talk has taken the place of 1 FM Signal." It's the current trend. Industry forecasters predicted, at the beginning of the year, that talk formats of all types would be migrating to FM in substantial numbers this year. An AllAccess bulletin just a few minutes ago stated that Atlanta is getting its first all-news station, which is at 106.7 replacing an oldies station. "I feel like it's only a matter of time that CBS sees WODS's demos get old enough that sacrificing it for a WBZ simulcast would be a good idea. (Like Entercom did with 93.7 & WEEI)" WODS tweaked the format quite a while ago, morphing it into "classic hits," which keeps its demo (in theory, anyhow) younger than an oldies format would. But, down the road this is a distinct possibility. "That would be four music stations gone....and for some in their place a simulcast of whats available on AM. "Add to that an abandonment of any reason to turn on the AM dial...." AM stations plainly have to do something, because the 55-to-death demo is the hardest sell in radio advertising, and as people (especially boomers) age, that demo is narrowing and shrinking. Moving previously AM-only formats to FM is an effort to attract the younger demos, many of whom already have listening habits that don't include AM at all. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 15:42:46 2012 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:42:46 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C8E1B44@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C8E1B44@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: Boston had a bit of a station merger when WKLB and WBCS merged to become one country station on 96.9...and then there was the time when WEEI moved from 590 to 850 and American Radio (IIRC) bought the "intellectual property" of WEEI Sports Radio, over to what had been WHDH. Sid wrote: > It's the current trend. ?Industry forecasters predicted, at the beginning of the year, that talk formats of all types would be migrating to FM in substantial numbers this year. ?An AllAccess bulletin just a few minutes ago stated that Atlanta is getting its first all-news station, which is at 106.7 replacing an oldies station. And it continues, as people concentrate on FM. Many young people don't touch the AM dial. Some people don't have AM-FM Walkmen but they do have mp3 players with radios...which only have FM. At my post office, you go by boombox after boombox tuned to WEEI-FM...and just as well, as the 850 signal can't quite penetrate the building and its many interference-laden electronics. > AM stations plainly have to do something, because the 55-to-death demo is the hardest sell in radio advertising, and as people (especially boomers) age, that demo is narrowing and shrinking. ?Moving previously AM-only formats to FM is an effort to attract the younger demos, many of whom already have listening habits that don't include AM at all. Agreed. Some stations add an FM simulcast, even a small one, and the websites and on-air mentions accent the FM frequency ("you're next on 93.7 WEEI"). WTAG, WPRO, WPKZ, WKXL (go to their website and it says "103.9 FM 1450 AM") and sometimes they don't mention the AM at all. As has been mentioned before, FM can have reception advantages, including stations which change patterns or power down at sunset. By the way the Atlanta FM station that is going all news is going after a bit of a younger audience than older people who want strictly hard news...lifestyle and celebrity news will be added to the mix. From supersport@maine.rr.com Tue Apr 17 17:59:02 2012 From: supersport@maine.rr.com (Supersport) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:59:02 -0400 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> Message-ID: <7FA02A5B5B1840F2ADD4F3C7EFDBA6F5@vpr1> How about we put "The Mix 104" on HD3 and WBCN back on 104.1 HD1 where it belongs!!! SS -----Original Message----- From: Alan Tolz [mailto:atolz@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:35 PM To: Bob Nelson; BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position. I would also guess that like all other great radio stations before it, once it ceases to exist on the FM or AM bands, there's not critical mass left from WBCN's former listening base to migrate en masse to a different form of delivery. If there was, many of the alternative and rock stations around the country that left the format to chase A 25-54 dollars in their respective markets over the past 3-5 years would be thriving as internet streamers or HD2 stations. HD will not reach enough consumers to matter much. Not in my lifetime, anyway. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/business/media/wbcn-progressive-rock-stati on-returns-on-hd.html?_r=3&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y > > New York Times article about WBCN on HD radio; can the spirit of the old > 104.1, complete with a biodiesel bus tour, attract listeners to buy an HD > radio? Live DJs were added recently. (The WBCN calls on terrestrial radio > belong to an AM talk station in Charlotte). Sam Kopper is quoted as saying > he wants to re-connect with > the listener. > > Sounds like a niche format for many nostalgic for the old 'BCN, a way to > get that old spirit while CBS apparently has no room for it on the > standard FM dial. (I wonder if they could promote this on WZLX. Maybe they > are... > have a weekly show or run ads about "WBCN on HD". Still would that be > enough?) > From lglavin@mail.com Tue Apr 17 18:15:16 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:15:16 -0400 Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") Message-ID: <20120417221517.209760@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Eli Polonsky >Sent: 04/17/12 03:47 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: "Terrestrial" radio (was "Can WBCN lead listeners...") >I wonder if it will become one of those words that will have its official dictionary definition changed due to wide misuse? >Eli Polonsky Hopefully, that will never happen. From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Thu Apr 19 02:14:25 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:14:25 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Message-ID: Sorry to be so late to respond, but thank you, Kevin, for reminding me that Fredericks went back to WEEI when they started Sports Final. I do remember Fredericks being at WMEX/WITS in the 77-78 time period, simultaneous with Ordway, and the flip to WITS came in April or May of 78, so if he was back in Philly by 1978 I surmise it was a brief tenure, but then they were both CBS O & Os. But you know better than I. I thought Fredricks did AM drive or middays at WMEX/WITS for a spell ("Welcome to our house"), either right before or right after the brilliant Joe Scallon move to install Bob Hudson in the morning. The Emperor, by the way, is said to have insisted that the station hire Jim "Red" Hannon, track announcer at Suffolk Downs, to do morning drive sports so he'd have the inside line on the day's races at the East Boston Oval. Sports Final, a sort of SportsCenter before cable networks, was Andelman's idea. He was a big fan of the Win Elliot Sports Central USA and Sports World Roundup shows on the CBS net and openly talked about creating such a nightly show on WEEI during Sports Huddle broadcasts. He thought it would be great for gamblers. I think Ted Sarandis was a host for a while. Still hoping someone has a tape of the former Steven Oxman doing the Havlicek Stole the Ball game from the Sixers perspective over One-to-One Radio in Philadelphia, WCAU, Radio 121. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin Vahey To: Karen McTrotsky Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:27:06 -0400 Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks Steve left WMEX/WITS and went back to WEEI when they started 'Sports Final' at 10 PM but he was back in Philly for good by 1978. He was replaced at WITS by Glenn Ordway. He did Harvard football in 1975 on WMEX. From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Thu Apr 19 02:21:20 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:21:20 -0400 Subject: Happy Anniversary Message-ID: I would note that the third anniversary of the "5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure" and "Red Sox May Buy The Globe" threads was this month. The Globe is still open, under the same ownership. From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Apr 23 00:08:32 2012 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:08:32 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. In-Reply-To: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> References: <20120409092831.m9dkcu4c0s88w8wc@hostingmail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F94D5C0.1010809@gabrielmass.com> Channel 2 has posted an announcement about the state of the outage issues that started on April 8: http://www.wgbh.org/articles/WGBH-2-Signal-Update-April-18-5979 Apparently the Needham tower antenna needs extensive repairs, which may take up to a month. The comments below the article are a hoot: they seem to have been written by an incredibly cranky bunch of viewers. --RC From mpward@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 11:18:45 2012 From: mpward@gmail.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:18:45 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops, meant to send this to BRI, not just Sean... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mike Ward" Date: Apr 27, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) To: "Sean Smyth" Inner City's creditors took over WBLS and WLIB/1190 under the "YMF Media" banner. They're calling the shots now. On Apr 27, 2012 7:59 AM, "Sean Smyth" wrote: > Mike Ward wrote: > > WRKS is basically going away. A couple of air personalities from WRKS > and > > assorted other stuff will move to WBLS (middays and nights, I think). > From > > last I heard, WBLS will be the surviving entity/name. > > > Wasn't WBLS' ownership in the hock for deep money? Thought I read that a > few weeks ago on Scott's site. I could be getting my top-of-the-dial NYC > stations mixed up. > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 27 17:33:43 2012 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:33:43 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: ESPN was aware of the reception issues apparently as (at least in 2009) they were simulcasting on 1040 in Flemington NJ (forget the calls).. Paul Hopfgarten Epping NH -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:09 AM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) Yes--the column is here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/local-fan-reaction-espn-york-1050-am-move-165400985--nfl.html He writes: "The ESPN 1050 AM radio signal is somewhere between "fair" and "I can't understand a word they're saying." I live across the river from Manhattan, and static frequently prevents me from listening to the station once the sun goes down. The same can't be said for ESPN New York's greatest rival, WFAN 660 AM. WFAN comes in loud and clear at my home 24 hours a day, 365 days a year." He compares WFAN's strong signal (can get it well across Pennsylvania) to WEPN and mentions friends in New Jersey having trouble with the latter. --Bob From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 18:16:41 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:16:41 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve was back at WMEX in October of 1975 as one of his former producers flew down from Ottawa for Game 7 and Steve was doing afternoon talk. WMEX had just gotten the radio contract from the Red Sox starting with the post-season that year which to this day is one of the head scratchers in Boston radio history. Dick Richmond figured correctly that the Red Sox would drive up the selling price and enter Joe Scallon and friends. Steve told me that he had mixed feelings about going back to Philly but a WCAU exec told him CBS planned to sell WEEI if another 50,000 watt property opened up which indeed happened a few years later in Dallas. He told me WRKO made him an offer to do talk in 1981 but he was happy in Philly. WEEI also made him an offer when they went all sports which he almost took as he was doing part time at WFAN after WCAU ceased to exist in 1990 with no warning. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > Sorry to be so late to respond, but thank you, Kevin, for reminding me that > Fredericks went back to WEEI when they started Sports Final. I do remember > Fredericks being at WMEX/WITS in the 77-78 time period, simultaneous with > Ordway, and the flip to WITS came in April or May of 78, so if he was back > in Philly by 1978 I surmise it was a brief tenure, but then they were both > CBS O & Os. But you know better than I. > > I thought Fredricks did AM drive or middays at WMEX/WITS for a spell > ("Welcome to our house"), either right before or right after the brilliant > Joe Scallon move to install Bob Hudson in the morning. The Emperor, by the > way, is said to have insisted that the station hire Jim "Red" Hannon, track > announcer at Suffolk Downs, to do morning drive sports so he'd have the > inside line on the day's races at the East Boston Oval. > > Sports Final, a sort of SportsCenter before cable networks, was Andelman's > idea. He was a big fan of the Win Elliot Sports Central USA and Sports > World Roundup shows on the CBS net and openly talked about creating such a > nightly show on WEEI during Sports Huddle broadcasts. He thought it would > be great for gamblers. I think Ted Sarandis was a host for a while. > > Still hoping someone has a tape of the former Steven Oxman doing the > Havlicek Stole the Ball game from the Sixers perspective over One-to-One > Radio in Philadelphia, WCAU, Radio 121. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Karen McTrotsky > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:27:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks > Steve left WMEX/WITS and went back to WEEI when they started 'Sports Final' > at 10 PM but he was back in Philly for good by 1978. > He was replaced at WITS by Glenn Ordway. > > He did Harvard football in 1975 on WMEX. > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Apr 27 18:47:38 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:47:38 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: References: <1335487946.92691.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1335527989.95031.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1A9B4054B69C4377BAF381D27E34E2AE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I was talking to someone who is involved with Yankees radio. The Yankees have made it clear they want to be on FM and CBS is debating using 92.3 for games. Bigger question is will WXRX become WFAN-FM? From irw@well.com Fri Apr 27 17:42:16 2012 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM (WRKS) KISS moves to 107.5 (WBLS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <117145377.3455.1335562936909.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> On 27 April 2012, Mike Ward said: > Inner City's creditors took over WBLS and WLIB/1190 under the "YMF Media" banner. They're calling the shots now. Where's Pierre Sutton? - Blaine From sid@wrko.com Fri Apr 27 18:19:37 2012 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:19:37 +0000 Subject: Can WBCN lead listeners to buy HD radio? In-Reply-To: <7FA02A5B5B1840F2ADD4F3C7EFDBA6F5@vpr1> References: <20120416144610.206130@gmx.com> <071B3FDAB39A4AB3A545534B26137068@mediacenter> <7FA02A5B5B1840F2ADD4F3C7EFDBA6F5@vpr1> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA0C8E2499@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "How about we put "The Mix 104" on HD3 and WBCN back on 104.1 HD1 where it belongs!!!" How about we remember why WBCN was killed off in the first place? "I would presume that the last thing WZLX wants to do is canabalize it's audience by putting WBCN HD on its HD2 position...HD will not reach enough consumers to matter much. Not in my lifetime, anyway." Methinks you just contradicted yourself. WZLX can't "cannibalize" its audience by putting WBCN on a medium that "will not reach enough consumers to matter much." Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Apr 28 12:04:00 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:04:00 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve was asked by CBS to transfer to WCAU from WEEI as 1210 just failed badly with going all news as KYW was unbeatable and they were going to go alk again. He said that decesion was made by William Paley alone. However by 1990 Paley was near death and no longer involved in day to day operations and then came the sudden end on August 15th when at 2 in the afternoon it started simulcasting WOGL-FM . The WCAU staffers all thought CBS must have been ready to sell the station and fired everybody to clean house for the new owners but that never happened. CBS would not even allow Frank Rizzo to have a final show. A very sad ending to 68 years of service. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > The notion that RKO wanted Fredericks in '81 is fascinating. The original > RKO lineup included dreary lifestyle/shrink talk in midday but lifestyle > talk in midday at the time was considered cutting edge in those days. I > would conjecture they could have used him instead of the Tony Pepper-Janet > Jeghelian chat program (Steve and Janet would have lasted until the first > stop set), or was the choice before Mainella for the 6-8 sports show. > > > On 27 April 2012 18:16, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Steve was back at WMEX in October of 1975 as one of his former producers >> flew down from Ottawa for Game 7 and Steve was doing afternoon talk. WMEX >> had just gotten the radio contract from the Red Sox starting with the >> post-season that year which to this day is one of the head scratchers in >> Boston radio history. >> >> Dick Richmond figured correctly that the Red Sox would drive up the >> selling price and enter Joe Scallon and friends. >> >> Steve told me that he had mixed feelings about going back to Philly but a >> WCAU exec told him CBS planned to sell WEEI if another 50,000 watt property >> opened up which indeed happened a few years later in Dallas. >> >> He told me WRKO made him an offer to do talk in 1981 but he was happy in >> Philly. WEEI also made him an offer when they went all sports which he >> almost took as he was doing part time at WFAN after WCAU ceased to exist in >> 1990 with no warning. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Karen McTrotsky < >> karenmctrotsky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry to be so late to respond, but thank you, Kevin, for reminding me >>> that >>> Fredericks went back to WEEI when they started Sports Final. I do >>> remember >>> Fredericks being at WMEX/WITS in the 77-78 time period, simultaneous with >>> Ordway, and the flip to WITS came in April or May of 78, so if he was >>> back >>> in Philly by 1978 I surmise it was a brief tenure, but then they were >>> both >>> CBS O & Os. But you know better than I. >>> >>> I thought Fredricks did AM drive or middays at WMEX/WITS for a spell >>> ("Welcome to our house"), either right before or right after the >>> brilliant >>> Joe Scallon move to install Bob Hudson in the morning. The Emperor, by >>> the >>> way, is said to have insisted that the station hire Jim "Red" Hannon, >>> track >>> announcer at Suffolk Downs, to do morning drive sports so he'd have the >>> inside line on the day's races at the East Boston Oval. >>> >>> Sports Final, a sort of SportsCenter before cable networks, was >>> Andelman's >>> idea. He was a big fan of the Win Elliot Sports Central USA and Sports >>> World Roundup shows on the CBS net and openly talked about creating such >>> a >>> nightly show on WEEI during Sports Huddle broadcasts. He thought it >>> would >>> be great for gamblers. I think Ted Sarandis was a host for a while. >>> >>> Still hoping someone has a tape of the former Steven Oxman doing the >>> Havlicek Stole the Ball game from the Sixers perspective over One-to-One >>> Radio in Philadelphia, WCAU, Radio 121. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Kevin Vahey >>> To: Karen McTrotsky >>> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:27:06 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks >>> Steve left WMEX/WITS and went back to WEEI when they started 'Sports >>> Final' >>> at 10 PM but he was back in Philly for good by 1978. >>> He was replaced at WITS by Glenn Ordway. >>> >>> He did Harvard football in 1975 on WMEX. >>> >> >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Apr 29 01:25:01 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:25:01 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Pete Fornatale In-Reply-To: <4F9CCFDE.2020509@donnahalper.com> References: <4F9CCFDE.2020509@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Donna I am spooked as I listened to him 2 weeks ago when he did his Titanic show http://www.wfuv.org/audio/archives/mixed-bag/mixed-bag-4142012 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > I realize this isn't a Boston story, but I used to listen to Pete when I > lived in New York and am sorry to hear he died so young-- only 66 years old. > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/arts/music/pete-fornatale-a-pioneer-of-fm-rock-dies-at-66.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 29 01:21:34 2012 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:21:34 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Pete Fornatale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F9CCFDE.2020509@donnahalper.com> I realize this isn't a Boston story, but I used to listen to Pete when I lived in New York and am sorry to hear he died so young-- only 66 years old. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/arts/music/pete-fornatale-a-pioneer-of-fm-rock-dies-at-66.html From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 29 02:31:36 2012 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:31:36 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Pete Fornatale In-Reply-To: <4F9CCFDE.2020509@donnahalper.com> References: <4F9CCFDE.2020509@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4F9CE048.7090302@attorneyross.com> On 4/29/2012 1:21 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > I realize this isn't a Boston story, but I used to listen to Pete when > I lived in New York and am sorry to hear he died so young-- only 66 > years old. > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/arts/music/pete-fornatale-a-pioneer-of-fm-rock-dies-at-66.html > It's a sign that we're getting old when 66 seems young. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Apr 29 12:47:03 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:47:03 -0400 Subject: Merlin takes over a LP-FM in Chicago Message-ID: Only Randy Michaels could pull off a stunt like this. Last summer he killed off WKQX ( alternative rock ) for all news which has been a disaster in both Chicago and New York. Now as of tomorrow WKQX will return on 87.7 bumping the smooth jazz format that landed there 3 years ago when WNUA flipped to Spanish. http://timeoutchicago.com/arts-culture/chicago-media-blog/15323401/merlin-media-finds-its-man-for-%E2%80%98underground-alternative%E2%80%99 In an added twist - the owners of 87.7 are telling the listeners that the FCC and Obama administration are responsible for the smooth jazz format leaving. http://www.smooth877.com/Goodbye4now.aspx Can somebody explain in detail what the exact problem is? I am guessing it is over the possible end of analog with the LP signals. WLFM averages about 500,000 in cume which is more than double what the all news format is doing. http://www.radio-info.com/markets/chicago From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Apr 29 19:27:22 2012 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:27:22 -0400 Subject: Happy Retirement to Bruce Glasier (WCSH-TV) Message-ID: Bruce Glasier retired Friday from channel 6 in Portland where has been since 1977. WCSH put together a nice video tribute for him....good guy. http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/198410/314/Bruce-Glasier-WCSH-6-Sports-Director-retires Also a nice story in the Portland Press Herald. http://www.pressherald.com/sports/solloway/the-final-good-night-and-farewell_2012-04-22.html Bruce got into broadcasting at WCSH radio doing morning with Joe Martelle. From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Sat Apr 28 04:07:07 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:07:07 -0400 Subject: R.I.P Steve Fredericks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The notion that RKO wanted Fredericks in '81 is fascinating. The original RKO lineup included dreary lifestyle/shrink talk in midday but lifestyle talk in midday at the time was considered cutting edge in those days. I would conjecture they could have used him instead of the Tony Pepper-Janet Jeghelian chat program (Steve and Janet would have lasted until the first stop set), or was the choice before Mainella for the 6-8 sports show. On 27 April 2012 18:16, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Steve was back at WMEX in October of 1975 as one of his former producers > flew down from Ottawa for Game 7 and Steve was doing afternoon talk. WMEX > had just gotten the radio contract from the Red Sox starting with the > post-season that year which to this day is one of the head scratchers in > Boston radio history. > > Dick Richmond figured correctly that the Red Sox would drive up the > selling price and enter Joe Scallon and friends. > > Steve told me that he had mixed feelings about going back to Philly but a > WCAU exec told him CBS planned to sell WEEI if another 50,000 watt property > opened up which indeed happened a few years later in Dallas. > > He told me WRKO made him an offer to do talk in 1981 but he was happy in > Philly. WEEI also made him an offer when they went all sports which he > almost took as he was doing part time at WFAN after WCAU ceased to exist in > 1990 with no warning. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Karen McTrotsky > wrote: > >> Sorry to be so late to respond, but thank you, Kevin, for reminding me >> that >> Fredericks went back to WEEI when they started Sports Final. I do remember >> Fredericks being at WMEX/WITS in the 77-78 time period, simultaneous with >> Ordway, and the flip to WITS came in April or May of 78, so if he was back >> in Philly by 1978 I surmise it was a brief tenure, but then they were both >> CBS O & Os. But you know better than I. >> >> I thought Fredricks did AM drive or middays at WMEX/WITS for a spell >> ("Welcome to our house"), either right before or right after the >> brilliant >> Joe Scallon move to install Bob Hudson in the morning. The Emperor, by the >> way, is said to have insisted that the station hire Jim "Red" Hannon, >> track >> announcer at Suffolk Downs, to do morning drive sports so he'd have the >> inside line on the day's races at the East Boston Oval. >> >> Sports Final, a sort of SportsCenter before cable networks, was Andelman's >> idea. He was a big fan of the Win Elliot Sports Central USA and Sports >> World Roundup shows on the CBS net and openly talked about creating such a >> nightly show on WEEI during Sports Huddle broadcasts. He thought it would >> be great for gamblers. I think Ted Sarandis was a host for a while. >> >> Still hoping someone has a tape of the former Steven Oxman doing the >> Havlicek Stole the Ball game from the Sixers perspective over One-to-One >> Radio in Philadelphia, WCAU, Radio 121. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Kevin Vahey >> To: Karen McTrotsky >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org >> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:27:06 -0400 >> Subject: Re: R.I.P Steve Fredericks >> Steve left WMEX/WITS and went back to WEEI when they started 'Sports >> Final' >> at 10 PM but he was back in Philly for good by 1978. >> He was replaced at WITS by Glenn Ordway. >> >> He did Harvard football in 1975 on WMEX. >> > > From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Sat Apr 28 05:39:28 2012 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:39:28 -0400 Subject: ESPN New York moving to 98.7 FM Message-ID: The death (OK, merger if you want to engage in corporate-speak) of WRKS leaves KRTH-FM, Los Angeles as the only former RKO General FM still operating with the same calls.There were six FMs at the time the group was broken up per FCC orders and a hostile take-over bid for Gencorp in the late 80s. Post break-up, WROR became WBMX-FM in 1991 and later WBZ-FM. Chicago's WFYR became WRCX in 1994; WAXY, Ft. Lauderdale became WBGG IN 1994: WGMS-FM, Washington became WTOP-FM in 2006. Before the breakup, CKLW-FM (it's Canada so we can say) in Windsor was sold in 1970 and became CKJY in 1982: KFRC-FM, San Francisco was sold and became KMEL in 1977; WHBQ-FM, Memphis was sold in 1972 and became WEZI, now WGKX. ** From lglavin@mail.com Sat Apr 28 16:21:48 2012 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:21:48 -0400 Subject: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. Message-ID: <20120428202148.24920@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Richard Chonak >Sent: 04/23/12 12:08 AM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Major Boston TV outage that almost no one is noticing..... State of over the air TV today.. >Channel 2 has posted an announcement about the state of the outage >issues that started on April 8: >http://www.wgbh.org/articles/WGBH-2-Signal-Update-April-18-5979 >Apparently the Needham tower antenna needs extensive repairs, which may >take up to a month. >The comments below the article are a hoot: they seem to have been >written by an incredibly cranky bunch of viewers. >--RC PBS viewers take their television seriously, which may explain some of the "cranky" comments as they are forced to wait for repairs. "Occupy" protesters may be targeting the 1%, but people who rely on over-the-air TV may be the 2% or 5% or 10% depending on where they live (Boston & vicinity is supposed to have 98% cable and satellite penetration). Some commenters say they live in the Boston suburbs but can't get channel 2/19 while another says he or she lives near Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (official name of the Ocean State) and used to get channels 2/19 and 44/43 just fine! I have cable to my big-screen HD set in the living room but use a powered-indoor TV antenna attached to a government -subsidized digital-to-analog converter box for viewing on an older analog/CTR set in my dining area. Channel 2/19 came in with a rock-steady picture, along with channels 4/30, 5/20, 44/43 and 7/42 until April 8th. For all the talk about the problems with DTV on VHF, where I live north of Boston, channels 9/9 and 11/11 in NH are solid as well. The quizzical thing is the fact that channels 25/31 and 56/41 are very difficult for me to get no matter how I orient the antenna, and a glance at the FCC info on their facilities indicates that both of them utilize directional antennas, with the one for WLVI-TV 56/41 pointed due WEST, away from Boston. At his site, Scott Fybush guessed that WLVI didn't want to waste any signal going over water, but with the antsy reception of over-the-air DTV reception, if a station out there on route 128 wanted to reach viewers in Boston and the immediate northern and southern cities and towns, it would seem as if they'd want all that signal to go towards downtown. I posted a comment to the WGBH announcement pointing out that, as I just learned a few days ago, the Cedar Street, Needham tower is now owned by an out-of-town firm. So the problems that people around here are experiencing will have to be rectified by them. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Apr 29 21:36:35 2012 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:36:35 -0400 Subject: Reminder for list members Message-ID: <20381.60579.998923.940314@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Reminder for boston-radio-interest readers: If you aren't subscribed to the list, or if you are a subscriber but send mail using a different email address from the one you are subscribed as, your postings are guaranteed to be held up in the moderation queue until I get around to looking at them. If I go on vacation, this would take a week or two. -GAWollman From gonzalezm@wit.edu Mon Apr 30 18:04:24 2012 From: gonzalezm@wit.edu (Gonzalez, Mario) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:04:24 +0000 Subject: 98.1 in the Bronx Message-ID: I was in the Bronx and I heard an FM at 98.1 but I am unable to identify it. It was playing Gospel music and this morning, it was broadcasting news from Jamaica. Does anyone know what station this is? While I was in the Bronx, I did hear the transition of 98.7 to ESPN. Mario