From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Oct  1 00:43:11 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 00:43:11 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
Message-ID: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>

Last night, during WEEI's post-mortem about the Red Sox collapse, the 
legal ID didn't happen until 7:08 PM.  Is that legal now?

Also, the ID was "WEEI Boston, WEEI-FM and HD1, Lawrence-Boston."  Is it 
legal to say WEEI-FM and HD1 instead of WEEI-FM and WEEI-FM-HD1?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct  1 01:59:24 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 01:59:24 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <20102.44092.445106.339804@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 00:43:11 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> Last night, during WEEI's post-mortem about the Red Sox collapse, the 
> legal ID didn't happen until 7:08 PM.  Is that legal now?

Depends on your interpretation of "a natural break" in programming.
My view would be that it probably isn't, but the FCC doesn't have the
enforcement capability to do anything about it.  WEEI's local
programming often IDs very late.  (In the early days, stations had to
identify every 15 minutes, and this was strictly enforced.)

> Also, the ID was "WEEI Boston, WEEI-FM and HD1, Lawrence-Boston."  Is it 
> legal to say WEEI-FM and HD1 instead of WEEI-FM and WEEI-FM-HD1?

Very difficult to say given the current wording of 73.1201, so the
Commission would likely let it slide.

-GAWollman


From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Oct  1 01:55:48 2011
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 01:55:48 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>

I have heard many stations say Wxxx and HD-1 or Wxxx-FM and HD-1....I think 
it's WBOS and HD-1 Brookline Boston and WTKK and HD-1 Boston, so I'm 
guessing the Funny Cookie Company is OK with that...

-Paul H
Epping NH

-----Original Message----- 
From: A Joseph Ross
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:43 AM
To: Boston Radio
Subject: WEEI Legal ID

Last night, during WEEI's post-mortem about the Red Sox collapse, the
legal ID didn't happen until 7:08 PM.  Is that legal now?

Also, the ID was "WEEI Boston, WEEI-FM and HD1, Lawrence-Boston."  Is it
legal to say WEEI-FM and HD1 instead of WEEI-FM and WEEI-FM-HD1?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct  1 03:13:01 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 03:13:01 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
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<<On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 01:55:48 -0400, "Paul Hopfgarten" <paul@derrynh.net> said:

> I have heard many stations say Wxxx and HD-1 or Wxxx-FM and HD-1....I think 
> it's WBOS and HD-1 Brookline Boston and WTKK and HD-1 Boston, so I'm 
> guessing the Funny Cookie Company is OK with that...

The legal ID regulations as they apply to HD were drafted so poorly
that nobody is exactly certain what they permit or don't.  So the FCC
probably couldn't enforce that part of the rule even if they wanted
and had the resources to do so.

-GAWollman


From map@mapinternet.com  Sat Oct  1 14:13:08 2011
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:13:08 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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WAMC (COL Albany-tx from Mt. Greylock, Adams, MA) and it's network of many 
stations that are all on the hourly ID, are ID'ing today as WAMC HD, WAMQ 
HD, WAMK HD etc., (not WAMC *and* HD) I herad not one "FM" in the whole 
mess, only the WAMC AM ID was different format. The way the ID's were 
presented it's as if they are only an ID for the HD station and not for the 
analog FM station.  First time I've heard the ID's presented in this manner.
Got to wonder if that one's legal?
Mark Casey
Hampden, MA

----- Original Message ----- 
.From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
The legal ID regulations as they apply to HD were drafted so poorly
that nobody is exactly certain what they permit or don't.  So the FCC
probably couldn't enforce that part of the rule even if they wanted
and had the resources to do so.

-GAWollman




From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Oct  1 15:26:22 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:26:22 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
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On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Mark Casey wrote:

> WAMC (COL Albany-tx from Mt. Greylock, Adams, MA) and it's network of many 
> stations that are all on the hourly ID, are ID'ing today as WAMC HD, WAMQ 
> HD, WAMK HD etc., (not WAMC *and* HD) I herad not one "FM" in the whole 
> mess, only the WAMC AM ID was different format. The way the ID's were 
> presented it's as if they are only an ID for the HD station and not for the 
> analog FM station.  First time I've heard the ID's presented in this manner.
> Got to wonder if that one's legal?

I guess that had to shorten it so they would have some time left for the programs. :-)

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Oct  1 17:21:49 2011
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 17:21:49 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>
	<743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC>

This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the NHPR 
stations make for a pretty long one....

-Paul H
Boston-W. 
Roxbury-Canton-Norwood-Randolph-Brighton-Allston-Watertown-Arlington-Framingham-Waltham-Lynn-Cheslea 
MA & Derry-Concord-Epping NH <LOL>

-----Original Message----- 
From: Larry Weil
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:26 PM
To: Boston Radio
Subject: Re: WAMC Legal ID  long


On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Mark Casey wrote:

> WAMC (COL Albany-tx from Mt. Greylock, Adams, MA) and it's network of many
> stations that are all on the hourly ID, are ID'ing today as WAMC HD, WAMQ
> HD, WAMK HD etc., (not WAMC *and* HD) I herad not one "FM" in the whole
> mess, only the WAMC AM ID was different format. The way the ID's were
> presented it's as if they are only an ID for the HD station and not for 
> the
> analog FM station.  First time I've heard the ID's presented in this 
> manner.
> Got to wonder if that one's legal?

I guess that had to shorten it so they would have some time left for the 
programs. :-)

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH



From paulranderson@charter.net  Sat Oct  1 16:51:29 2011
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:51:29 -0400
Subject: WBIN News aired last night
In-Reply-To: <1317404423.53619.YahooMailNeo@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317404423.53619.YahooMailNeo@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36B89CE5-3F23-42DD-82FA-4A004D7C32B1@charter.net>

The "WBIN News @ 10" seems to be targeting the Boston part of the market as well as New Hampshire.  At the end of the weather forecast, they displayed a 5-day temperature forecast that said "Boston".  Then the second one said "Manchester".

IMHO they will have more success targeting New Hampshire and northern Massachusetts.  The competition from channels 31, 39 and 41 at 10 PM will never get them a good audience near Boston.  Their main competition is WMUR.

Many of the features are syndicated, like the financial report from Bloomberg.

The look is certainly small-market, but I found this perversely refreshing compared to the ambulance-chaser format on many of the Boston stations.

Paul


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Oct  1 17:34:03 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:34:03 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>
	<743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com>
	<C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC>
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On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:

> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the NHPR stations make for a pretty long one?.

I think Maine Public Radio is longer than NHPR, but I?ll bet Northeast Public Radio (WAMC et al) is longer.  Some of the other statewide public radio networks must also have long I.D.?s, both Minnesota and Mississippi have many stations in their networks and thus a long I.D..

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From irw@well.com  Sat Oct  1 18:28:27 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC>
Message-ID: <81338000.1002.1317508107472.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

That depends on your definition of length, Paul.

At last listen, WAMC (Albany, New York) has nine others.

(Mr. Fybush's audio of WAMC + 9: http://tophour.com/audio/Albany%20NY/fm0903_2009-01_wamc-fm_sfybush.mp3 )

I have an MP3 of a single station ID that, thanks to production, lasts nearly a minute. :-)

- Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hopfgarten" <paul@derrynh.net>

> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct  1 19:25:22 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:25:22 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <56F4F7D6-6A04-4489-B7C6-028914623BC2@mac.com>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>
	<743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com>
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<<On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:34:03 -0400, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:

> I think Maine Public Radio is longer than NHPR, but I?ll bet
> Northeast Public Radio (WAMC et al) is longer.  Some of the other
> statewide public radio networks must also have long I.D.?s, both
> Minnesota and Mississippi have many stations in their networks and
> thus a long I.D..

Nope.  Minnesota and Wisconsin do it by remote control -- each
transmitter identifies itself alone.  WAMC and WSLU could do it that
way if they cared to spend the money.  (WPR at least used to trigger
the ID with three digits of DTMF, in program; I think MPR uses a
contact closure instead, IIRC.)

-GAWollman



From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Sat Oct  1 19:40:34 2011
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:40:34 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
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References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
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On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Larry Weil wrote:

> 
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
> 
>> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the NHPR stations make for a pretty long one?.

The longest I've heard around the northeastern US is that of NCPR (North Country Public Radio) when they include all the repeaters along with all the primary call signs.  It takes them FOREVER?.

Bud Hippisley



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 20:51:57 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:51:57 -0500
Subject: Long Legal ID's
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1kcAwjxo1nxJ9hWZZH3YfWhjnHNh9Nh2SmpdBdOgC2Zg@mail.gmail.com>

When I programmed WABV 1590 Abbeville, SC I had an ID that was just about 45
seconds long that included every single town and hamlet and village within
any kinda of listenable signal. I think there was like 26 places mentioned
in the ID.

"Serving the Savannah Lakes Region with 1000 Watts of Pure Classic Country,
Cool Country 1590 WABV Abbeville, Greenwood, Due West, Loundsville, Calhoun
Falls, Troy, Mount Carmel, Promised Land, Ninety Six, Hodges, Donalds, Level
Land, Ware Shoals, Star, McCormick, Elberton, Lincolnton, Chapels, Cross
Hill, Waterloo, Anderson, Willington, Bradley, Gluck, Boredaeux... we're
proud to be a Hellinger Broadcasting, Incorporated Radio station.......Now..
now.. now.. another hour of Classic country on Cool Country 1590..."

I didn't use it ALL the time.. maybe once a day, just for shits and giggles.
My regular ID was simply "Cool Coutnry 1590 is WABV Abbville, Greenwood, Due
West"

If anyone wants to hear the ID, it's here:

http://www.onairdj.com/wabvlongmix.mp3

It's voiced by Mike Roberts from WGFP, WORC, Magic 106.7, WCRN, etc

Paul Walker


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Cohasset / Hippisley <
cohasset@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Larry Weil wrote:
>
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
> >
> >> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the
> NHPR stations make for a pretty long one?.
>
> The longest I've heard around the northeastern US is that of NCPR (North
> Country Public Radio) when they include all the repeaters along with all the
> primary call signs.  It takes them FOREVER?.
>
> Bud Hippisley
>
>
>

From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 20:11:23 2011
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 17:11:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> 
Message-ID: <1317514283.98477.YahooMailNeo@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>Garrett Wollman wrote:
>The legal ID regulations as they apply to HD were drafted so poorly
>that nobody is exactly certain what they permit or don't.  So the FCC
>probably couldn't enforce that part of the rule even if they wanted
>and had the resources to do so.

??? I've heard instances of AM stations saying Wxxx and Wxxx-HD-1 and FM stations saying Wxxx and Wxxx-HD.

??? All this being said, the majority of stations that I've heard?have adopted a format in which they say?the call letters with each ID, i.e., "WTIC, WTIC-HD, Hartford," or, "WBZ, WBZ-HD, WBZ-FM-HD-3, Boston." I guess it gets more mumbo-jumboish when more than one set of calls and/or more than one COL are involved.

??? Meanwhile, the ID rules apparently are so unenforced that one hears various "creative" ways to smooth out -- I guess that's the programming issue -- the legal ID. WCBS(AM) gives just the "WCBS, New York" ID at :59, then incorporates the "WCBS-HD" and the HD-3 ID into the local news intro after the CBS hourly (usually done at the?:03 cutaway). 

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 21:45:13 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 20:45:13 -0500
Subject: OT: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1Ky1DMNvRKP1shmux_32cmMVk3mT_9sO-iNV9BM6QYSw@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, so this isn't quite Boston or New England, but it's close enough:)

97.5 The Hound WDDH Mid Day Personality & Program Director JJ Michaels along
with Afternoon Personality Paul Walker (that's me!) participate din a Hot
dog eating contest Saturday afternoon.

We had a 2 foot long hotdog with appropriately sized bun, topped with 1lb of
chilli, 1 pound of fries and 1 pound of coleslaw. We had 30 minutes to eat
as much as we could.

My boss, JJ.. finished with 3.4 pounds. .i got down 1.6 pounds.

Here's a picture:
http://houndcountry.com/assets/images/dhjjpw.jpg
Pictured form left to right: JJ Michaels, Paul Walker and Mr. DDH.. Dennis
D. Heindl

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 23:03:28 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:03:28 -0500
Subject: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
In-Reply-To: <E2C8DCCC063E483690A9473D5D1700F9@SatU205S5044>
References: <CADC3Yg1Ky1DMNvRKP1shmux_32cmMVk3mT_9sO-iNV9BM6QYSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2C8DCCC063E483690A9473D5D1700F9@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg0Q74NTqOzc2L0Abk4Nug0wzAvdpCAcboZvknW9W5BnEg@mail.gmail.com>

LOL Dan..

This was done for fun and a good cause... Ridgway's all Volunteer Fire
Department.


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:

> Cole slaw? cole slaw??? What happened to sauerkraut? Who puts cole
> slaw on hot dogs? Mustard, relish or a pickel, melted American cheese
> (Cheez-Whiz is allowed and is actually preferred in some circles, even
> though it is alleged to contain no cheese) and either sauerkraut or
> chili (but not both on the same hot dog) are the only legitimate
> hot-dog toppings. Any other topping (including ketchup) invalidates
> the contest! Cole slaw is a travesty! Ketchup and chili sauce (a
> ketchup variant) are allowed on burgers, but not on hot dogs. Purists
> deny that you can have both ketchup (or chili sauce) and mustard on a
> burger. You have to choose a red topping or a brown topping; you can't
> use both on the same burger. This is serious stuff! There are all
> sorts of arcane provisions. For example, is horseradish allowed when
> not a constitutuent of horseradish mustard?
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.**BostonRadio.org<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> >
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:45 PM
> Subject: OT: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
>
>
>  Ok, so this isn't quite Boston or New England, but it's close
>> enough:)
>>
>> 97.5 The Hound WDDH Mid Day Personality & Program Director JJ
>> Michaels along
>> with Afternoon Personality Paul Walker (that's me!) participate din
>> a Hot
>> dog eating contest Saturday afternoon.
>>
>> We had a 2 foot long hotdog with appropriately sized bun, topped
>> with 1lb of
>> chilli, 1 pound of fries and 1 pound of coleslaw. We had 30 minutes
>> to eat
>> as much as we could.
>>
>> My boss, JJ.. finished with 3.4 pounds. .i got down 1.6 pounds.
>>
>> Here's a picture:
>> http://houndcountry.com/**assets/images/dhjjpw.jpg<http://houndcountry.com/assets/images/dhjjpw.jpg>
>> Pictured form left to right: JJ Michaels, Paul Walker and Mr. DDH..
>> Dennis
>> D. Heindl
>>
>
>

From dave@skywaves.net  Sat Oct  1 22:39:54 2011
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:39:54 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <59A1A168-147C-4373-91D4-E69082F1A0AD@frontiernet.net>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC><743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com><C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC><56F4F7D6-6A04-4489-B7C6-028914623BC2@mac.com>
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NCPR has the longest ID I've ever heard. They have 14, soon to be 15, 
full-service stations that are ID'd hourly, and 20 translators that are ID'd 
I think three times a day.

-d



-Dave Doherty
Skywaves Consulting LLC
401-354-2400


-----Original Message----- 
From: Cohasset / Hippisley
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Larry Weil
Cc: Boston Radio
Subject: Re: WAMC Legal ID



On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Larry Weil wrote:

>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
>
>> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the 
>> NHPR stations make for a pretty long one?.

The longest I've heard around the northeastern US is that of NCPR (North 
Country Public Radio) when they include all the repeaters along with all the 
primary call signs.  It takes them FOREVER?.

Bud Hippisley





From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 23:22:00 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:22:00 -0500
Subject: WAMC Legal ID
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I think some of the Mississippi Public Radio stations ID independently. .i
seem to recall hearing an ID from one of their stations.. and it was an ID
for only one station. I could be wrong though.



On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> <<On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:34:03 -0400, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> said:
>
> > I think Maine Public Radio is longer than NHPR, but I?ll bet
> > Northeast Public Radio (WAMC et al) is longer.  Some of the other
> > statewide public radio networks must also have long I.D.?s, both
> > Minnesota and Mississippi have many stations in their networks and
> > thus a long I.D..
>
> Nope.  Minnesota and Wisconsin do it by remote control -- each
> transmitter identifies itself alone.  WAMC and WSLU could do it that
> way if they cared to spend the money.  (WPR at least used to trigger
> the ID with three digits of DTMF, in program; I think MPR uses a
> contact closure instead, IIRC.)
>
> -GAWollman
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Oct  1 22:51:30 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:51:30 -0400
Subject: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
References: <CADC3Yg1Ky1DMNvRKP1shmux_32cmMVk3mT_9sO-iNV9BM6QYSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2C8DCCC063E483690A9473D5D1700F9@SatU205S5044>

Cole slaw? cole slaw??? What happened to sauerkraut? Who puts cole
slaw on hot dogs? Mustard, relish or a pickel, melted American cheese
(Cheez-Whiz is allowed and is actually preferred in some circles, even
though it is alleged to contain no cheese) and either sauerkraut or
chili (but not both on the same hot dog) are the only legitimate
hot-dog toppings. Any other topping (including ketchup) invalidates
the contest! Cole slaw is a travesty! Ketchup and chili sauce (a
ketchup variant) are allowed on burgers, but not on hot dogs. Purists
deny that you can have both ketchup (or chili sauce) and mustard on a
burger. You have to choose a red topping or a brown topping; you can't
use both on the same burger. This is serious stuff! There are all
sorts of arcane provisions. For example, is horseradish allowed when
not a constitutuent of horseradish mustard?

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:45 PM
Subject: OT: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...


> Ok, so this isn't quite Boston or New England, but it's close
> enough:)
>
> 97.5 The Hound WDDH Mid Day Personality & Program Director JJ
> Michaels along
> with Afternoon Personality Paul Walker (that's me!) participate din
> a Hot
> dog eating contest Saturday afternoon.
>
> We had a 2 foot long hotdog with appropriately sized bun, topped
> with 1lb of
> chilli, 1 pound of fries and 1 pound of coleslaw. We had 30 minutes
> to eat
> as much as we could.
>
> My boss, JJ.. finished with 3.4 pounds. .i got down 1.6 pounds.
>
> Here's a picture:
> http://houndcountry.com/assets/images/dhjjpw.jpg
> Pictured form left to right: JJ Michaels, Paul Walker and Mr. DDH..
> Dennis
> D. Heindl


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Oct  2 00:00:35 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 00:00:35 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
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On 10/1/2011 8:11 PM, Martin Waters wrote:

>      I've heard instances of AM stations saying Wxxx and Wxxx-HD-1 and FM stations saying Wxxx and Wxxx-HD.
>
>      All this being said, the majority of stations that I've heard have adopted a format in which they say the call letters with each ID, i.e., "WTIC, WTIC-HD, Hartford," or, "WBZ, WBZ-HD, WBZ-FM-HD-3, Boston." I guess it gets more mumbo-jumboish when more than one set of calls and/or more than one COL are involved.
>

I suppose this is analogous to the IDs in the old days, where some 
stations said "Wxxx and Wxxx-FM" and others said "Wxxx AM and FM."

I've long wondered about the legality of the common WBZ ID years ago 
that went something like, "This is Radio 1030, WBZ-WBZA, AM and FM, 
Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield."  Of course there was no 
WBZA-FM at the time.

I noticed just how much times have changed.  Years ago, stations would 
emphasize the AM call letters and frequency, even where the FM call 
letters were different.  Often the FM call letters would be given only 
in the legal ID and the FM frequency almost never.  Now, WEEI is 
constantly saying WEEI-FM, completely ignoring that they still have an 
AM signal.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sat Oct  1 23:38:08 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:38:08 -0400
Subject: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
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On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> Cole slaw? cole slaw??? What happened to sauerkraut?

It was banned because someone thought it was an ethnic slur. :-)

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Oct  1 23:54:42 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:54:42 -0400
Subject: Radio DJ's Enter Hot Dog Eating Contest...
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On 10/1/2011 10:51 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> Cole slaw? cole slaw??? What happened to sauerkraut? Who puts cole
> slaw on hot dogs? 

Someone on a reduced salt diet?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Oct  2 01:30:50 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 01:30:50 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
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<<On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:13:08 -0400, "Mark Casey" <map@mapinternet.com> said:

> WAMC (COL Albany-tx from Mt. Greylock, Adams, MA) and it's network of many 
> stations that are all on the hourly ID, are ID'ing today as WAMC HD, WAMQ 
> HD, WAMK HD etc., (not WAMC *and* HD) I herad not one "FM" in the whole 
> mess, only the WAMC AM ID was different format. The way the ID's were 
> presented it's as if they are only an ID for the HD station and not for the 
> analog FM station.

There is no "HD station and ... analog FM station"; it's one and the
same station.  However, if they were not anouncing WAMC-FM with the
correct (six-letter) callsign, then they clearly were not following
the rules.

Most of their stations have only four-letter callsigns, so they are
not obliged to say "FM" for those stations.  They are obliged, for
each station, to say *something* to indicate that it transmits in
"digital", but they don't have to say "HD" and there's no requirement
to put it between the callsign and the community of license.  (Indeed,
it may actually be prohibited -- see what I mean about the rule being
poorly drafted?)

WBZ's current ID is simply wrong, although again, the Commission is
not likely to call them on it.  By the rules as they are written, you
are not permitted to "factor out" a common city of license.

-GAWollman


From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net  Sun Oct  2 07:42:54 2011
From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:42:54 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
Message-ID: <20111002074254.wtrvi2ng6c8swwgk@webmail.myfairpoint.net>

Given all this, how is it that some TV stations no longer bother giving 
a TOH ID at the beginning of their 6:00 and 11:00 newscasts?? I 
noticed this with WBZ and WRGB this past week when I was vacationing 
down your way.?? -Doug

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 01:30:50 -0400, Garrett Wollman  wrote:
<<On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:13:08 -0400, "Mark Casey" <map@mapinternet.com> said:
>
> > WAMC (COL Albany-tx from Mt. Greylock, Adams, MA) and it's network 
> of many > stations that are all on the hourly ID, are ID'ing today as 
> WAMC HD, WAMQ > HD, WAMK HD etc., (not WAMC *and* HD) I herad not one 
> "FM" in the whole > mess, only the WAMC AM ID was different format. 
> The way the ID's were > presented it's as if they are only an ID for 
> the HD station and not for the > analog FM station. 
>
> There is no "HD station and ... analog FM station"; it's one and the
> same station.  However, if they were not anouncing WAMC-FM with the
> correct (six-letter) callsign, then they clearly were not following
> the rules. 
>
> Most of their stations have only four-letter callsigns, so they are
> not obliged to say "FM" for those stations.  They are obliged, for
> each station, to say *something* to indicate that it transmits in
> "digital", but they don't have to say "HD" and there's no requirement
> to put it between the callsign and the community of license.  (Indeed,
> it may actually be prohibited -- see what I mean about the rule being
> poorly drafted?)
>
> WBZ's current ID is simply wrong, although again, the Commission is
> not likely to call them on it.  By the rules as they are written, you
> are not permitted to "factor out" a common city of license. 
>
> -GAWollman
>
>




From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Sun Oct  2 10:12:32 2011
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:12:32 -0400
Subject: WAMC Legal ID
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>
>
> There is no "HD station and ... analog FM station"; it's one and the
> same station.




I thought that there is a separate HD transmitter which is usually combined
into
a common antenna, though in some cases they have a separate antenne too.

Although the center frequency is the same, there are two transmitters.

That being said, since the callsign is encoded into the data stream, I don't
understand why there is a requirement that the HD channel has to be
identified.
at all.  Of course WZID in Manchester seems to revert to the string "HD"
sometimes.
Maybe that's why.

-Bob

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct  2 10:17:21 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:17:21 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
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On 10/1/2011 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and the
> NHPR stations make for a pretty long one....
>

I am surprised our Moderator didn't mention one of the biggies out west: 
the Radio Bilingue network does an hourly ID for all the public radio 
stations that are, or might be, on the network at any given time (some 
affiliates take only a few hours a day, but seem to get identified every 
hour anyway).

It runs for over a minute and includes 16 stations:

http://www.tophour.com/audio/Imperial%20Valley%20CA/fm0887_2009-04_kubo_gwollman.mp3

(watch word wrap...)

s


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct  2 10:36:05 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:36:05 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>	<743EBF23-4D3D-40FC-A9ED-FDDED59D7FF1@mac.com><C6814243C82D4E938C28139252763D58@PaulPC>
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Did I catch an error in the massive Radio Bilingue ID? I heard a
station Ided as being licensed to Okamulgee Iowa. I suppose there
might be two or more communities with that name in the US, but it is
an unusual name and I was aware of what I thought was the only one.
It's in Oklahoma, not Iowa.

AHA, the announcer apparently had a code in the dose. What sounded
like Okamulgee was actually Okoboji. Okoboji IS in Iowa. They should
redo the ID when the guy gets over his code.

-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:17 AM
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> On 10/1/2011 5:21 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote:
>> This begs the question, what is the longest ID in the US? WEVO and
>> the
>> NHPR stations make for a pretty long one....
>>
>
> I am surprised our Moderator didn't mention one of the biggies out
> west: the Radio Bilingue network does an hourly ID for all the
> public radio stations that are, or might be, on the network at any
> given time (some affiliates take only a few hours a day, but seem to
> get identified every hour anyway).
>
> It runs for over a minute and includes 16 stations:
>
> http://www.tophour.com/audio/Imperial%20Valley%20CA/fm0887_2009-04_kubo_gwollman.mp3
>
> (watch word wrap...)
>
> s
>


From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 09:55:48 2011
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 06:55:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
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>A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>I've long wondered about the legality of the common WBZ ID years ago that went something like, "This >is Radio 1030, WBZ-WBZA, AM and FM, Westinghouse for Boston and Springfield."? Of course there >was no WBZA-FM at the time.

??? Before they shut down the Springfield transmitter, it used to be "WBZ, AM and FM, and WBZA, Boston and Springfield." That's not correct under the current rule, but I have no idea if the rule was the same then.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct  2 10:58:22 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:58:22 -0400
Subject: Hot dogs, burgers, and legal IDs
Message-ID: <8755CAF844D240A38300DD258A67D2F3@SatU205S5044>

Although our moderator hasn't (yet) called me on the infraction, I
failed to establish a radio connection in my response to Paul Walker's
posting on a hot-dog-eating contest (in which radio
personalities--including Paul--participated). The tie in is this:
Which are more outlandish: (A) the rules for legal hot-dog and burger
toppings in contests involving the consumption of hot dogs and burgers
(including those staged by radio stations or in which radio
personalities participate) or (B), the FCC rules (or lack thereof) for
IDing radio stations that transmit digitally encoded content?

BTW, I have felt since the adoption of the rule requiring stations
that transmit digital content to so ID that the rule was and is a
publicity gimmick that iBiquity asked the FCC to require. The idea was
clearly that if the public heard stations announce that they were
broadcasting in HD Radio, more HD receivers would be sold. From what I
can tell, the gimmick has worked. Instead of selling six HD Radio
receivers nationwide over the last four or so years, the number sold
nationwide has probably exceeded eight.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367


From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct  2 10:43:29 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:43:29 -0400
Subject: WAMC Legal ID
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On 10/2/2011 10:12 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is no "HD station and ... analog FM station"; it's one and the
>> same station.
>
>
>
>
> I thought that there is a separate HD transmitter which is usually combined
> into
> a common antenna, though in some cases they have a separate antenne too.
>
> Although the center frequency is the same, there are two transmitters.

That's one way to configure an HD transmission. It's also possible, with 
newer transmitters, to generate the entire analog+digital signal in a 
single exciter.

But what Garrett's saying, I believe, is that from a regulatory 
standpoint there is just a single license covering both the analog and 
digital facilities. Whether it's analog or digital, it's "WEEIFM" on the 
FCC books; there's no separate license for a "WEEIHD."

> That being said, since the callsign is encoded into the data stream, I don't
> understand why there is a requirement that the HD channel has to be
> identified.
> at all.  Of course WZID in Manchester seems to revert to the string "HD"
> sometimes.
> Maybe that's why.

I know of at least some stations (none in New England) that do their 
"HD" IDs only in their PAD data and not in the form of an aural ID, 
believing that this satisfies the vague requirements of 73.1201. They 
may well be right.

s

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Oct  2 11:51:57 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:51:57 -0400
Subject: WAMC Legal ID
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<<On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:12:32 -0400, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net> said:

> That being said, since the callsign is encoded into the data stream,
> I don't understand why there is a requirement that the HD channel
> has to be identified.  at all.

The only thing that I can come up with is that radios are not required
to have a display, and even those that do might be owned by blind
people, who presumably have just as much of a right to know what
station they are hearing as anyone else.  (Don't ask me to try to
square this with the option of identifying a TV station in the visual
medium only.  Maybe if a station runs DVS they should describe the
legal ID, too!)

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Oct  3 00:34:07 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:34:07 -0400
Subject: WEEI Legal ID
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On 10/2/2011 9:55 AM, Martin Waters wrote:

>     Before they shut down the Springfield transmitter, it used to be 
> "WBZ, AM and FM, and WBZA, Boston and Springfield." That's not correct 
> under the current rule, but I have no idea if the rule was the same then.

I never heard it that way.  What I heard was what I wrote:  WBZ-WBZA AM 
and FM.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Oct  3 00:43:05 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:43:05 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <20103.63242.268618.136718@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 10/2/2011 1:30 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:



 > WBZ's current ID is simply wrong, although again, the Commission is 
not likely to call them on it. By the rules as they are written, you are 
not permitted to "factor out" a common city of license.

Really?  That was really common in the old days, where some stations 
used to ID as Wxxx and Wxxx-FM Boston.  Of course, the rules have 
probably changed since then, but is that kind of ID wrong now?

Actually, one of the oddest IDs I heard was one evening when I happened 
to pick up WHAM in Rochester IDing as WHAM and WHFM.  But the way they 
said it, it sounded like WH-AM and WH-FM, and I wondered how some 
station managed to get a two-letter callsign.  It took a look in White's 
Radio Log to find out what was going on.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Oct  3 02:12:07 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 02:12:07 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4E893D59.9090406@attorneyross.com>
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com>
	<FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC>
	<20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4D0F7F78294E4A8B9A7FF7ED499311A1@CASEYPC>
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<<On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:43:05 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 10/2/2011 1:30 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> WBZ's current ID is simply wrong, although again, the Commission is 
>> not likely to call them on it. By the rules as they are written, you are 
>> not permitted to "factor out" a common city of license.

> Really?  That was really common in the old days, 

The rules were very different in "the old days".  The language in the
current rule -- particularly the bit about "no other insertion is
permissible" -- is relatively recent.  (They didn't even have cities
of license back then -- they went by the transmitter location, on the
assumption that it would always be next to the studio and in the
community the station served.  It wasn't until the Radio Act of 1927
that the newly-minted FRC started issuing stern letters to stations
about unauthorized studio moves.  Even now, the rule says "the
community specified on the license as the station's location" -- they
just have a different understanding of "location" than they once did.)

-GAWollman


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct  3 06:30:31 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:30:31 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
Message-ID: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>

I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years ago.
It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
(KFKU?). There are now one or two such on FM, however, including one
four-way time-share that was authorized in the last year or two.

Back when AM time shares were not so unusual, there were at least four
in which one station operated only one day a week (usually Sunday, but
not in all cases). The four that I can think of were WHBI Newark
(shared 1280 with WOV New York; WHBI operated Sundays), WHAZ Troy NY
(shared 1330 with WEVD New York and WBBR Brooklyn; WHAZ operated
Monday evenings), WBBL Richmond VA (shared 1480 with WLEE Richmond;
AFAIK, WBBL operated only on Sundays), and KPPC Pasadena CA (AFAIK,
operated Sundays only on 1240 but affected the operation of two
stations that were not co-channel, KGFJ 1230 Los Angeles, and KGIL
1260 San Fernando, both of which had to reduce power when KPPC was
operating).

My question is, did the ID rules back in that day refer to
announcements that had to be made daily at certain times? If so, were
stations that did not operate six days a week automatically freed of
the responsibility for making those announcements when they were not
on the air, or were waivers required? It would be just like the FCC to
have required waivers.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From ecps92@earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 17:20:12 2011
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:20:12 -0400
Subject: WJDA 1300
Message-ID: <003e01cc8212$5ab58710$10209530$@net>

While running my Sept review of FCC Actions, ran across this for WJDA from
Quincy

 

Exhibit 3 
Description: EXHIBIT 3

AS THE COMMISSION IS AWARE, THE STATION'S TOWER WAS TOPPLED DURING HURRICANE
IRENE. CONSEQUENTLY, THE STATION CEASED OPERATIONS ON AUGUST 28, 2011.

ON SEPTEMBER 4, 2011, THE STATION, USING AN EMERGENCY ANTENNA, RESUMED
REDUCED-POWER OPERATIONS. THE HORIZONTAL WIRE ANTENNA HAS BEEN INSTALLED
FROM A TEMPORARY VERTICAL POLE ATTACHED TO THE TRANSMITTER BUILDING TO A
TREE APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET AWAY. THE FIRST 202 FEET OF THIS RUN IS TO BE
USED AS THE ANTENNA. THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE RUN (SEPARATED BY AN
INSULATOR) IS FOR
SUPPORTING PURPOSES ONLY. THE WIRE IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET ABOVE GROUND,
AND IS ORIENTED 176 ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2011, THE STATION ACHIEVED FULL-POWER
OPERATIONS. THE STATION WILL CONTINUE TO USE THE EMERGENCY ANTENNA UNTIL
REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL TOWER IS COMPLETED.

 

 

Bill Dunn           N1KUG

Cruise Ship Frequencies

 <http://scanmaritime.com/> http://scanmaritime.com/

 


From HeritageRadio@msn.com  Tue Oct  4 02:12:26 2011
From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 02:12:26 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID
In-Reply-To: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><1317514283.98477.YahooMailNeo@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E87E1E3.5030804@attorneyross.com><1317563748.43871.YahooMailNeo@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<4E893B3F.50002@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <SNT122-DS70A138DAB429947DCC544B5FB0@phx.gbl>

Depending on when you are dating it, the legal ID for WBZ radio for a very long time was:
Westinhghouse Radio, WBZ Boston and  WBZA, The Hotel Kimball, Springfield.
Amendments were adopted over the years to adapt to the addition of FM and end pf WBZA, etc.
Tom Heathwood

From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Oct  4 12:17:28 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:17:28 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><1317514283.98477.YahooMailNeo@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E87E1E3.5030804@attorneyross.com><1317563748.43871.YahooMailNeo@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E893B3F.50002@attorneyross.com>
	<SNT122-DS70A138DAB429947DCC544B5FB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <65EA2C3E03FC438592234B9792FA0C73@YOURbcbbe822ed>

This been mentioned before, but here is the Hotel Springfield today as 
condos. Not bad prices.

http://www.kimballtowers.com/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heathwood" <HeritageRadio@msn.com>
To: "boston-radio-interest" <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: WBZ ID


Depending on when you are dating it, the legal ID for WBZ radio for a very 
long time was:
Westinhghouse Radio, WBZ Boston and  WBZA, The Hotel Kimball, Springfield.
Amendments were adopted over the years to adapt to the addition of FM and 
end pf WBZA, etc.
Tom Heathwood


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  4 14:46:51 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:46:51 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
References: <4E869A5F.8060309@attorneyross.com><FEF012ECC04F47A8845914B6729202D1@PaulPC><20102.48509.393821.489349@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><1317514283.98477.YahooMailNeo@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E87E1E3.5030804@attorneyross.com><1317563748.43871.YahooMailNeo@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E893B3F.50002@attorneyross.com><SNT122-DS70A138DAB429947DCC544B5FB0@phx.gbl>
	<65EA2C3E03FC438592234B9792FA0C73@YOURbcbbe822ed>
Message-ID: <820DE660EE6E4292981C1B8DE07E9A6D@s20035>

The pictures are a tad misleading.

I've been in one of the condo's...and the building is kinda dumpy.

It looks like a conversion that didn't go so well.  


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com>


> This been mentioned before, but here is the Hotel Springfield today as 
> condos. Not bad prices.
> 
> http://www.kimballtowers.com/

From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net  Tue Oct  4 17:18:58 2011
From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:18:58 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
Message-ID: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>

Has anything more transpired with that plan of three or four years ago 
to convert the former Westinghouse Building site into a mall, retaining 
the old WBZA towers?? I'm assuming that when the economy went south, 
that proposal went with it.??? -Doug

On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:46:51 -0400, Don  wrote:
The pictures are a tad misleading. 
>
> I've been in one of the condo's...and the building is kinda dumpy. 
>
> It looks like a conversion that didn't go so well.  ----- Original 
> Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com>
>
>
> > This been mentioned before, but here is the Hotel Springfield today 
> as > condos. Not bad prices. 
> > > http://www.kimballtowers.com/
>
>




From scott@fybush.com  Tue Oct  4 22:37:34 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:37:34 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4E8BC2EE.7080907@fybush.com>

On 10/3/2011 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
> shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years ago.
> It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
> (KFKU?). There are now one or two such on FM, however, including one
> four-way time-share that was authorized in the last year or two.

There are at least two remaining AM share-times that I know of.

In Chicago (technically, Cicero IL), 1450 is shared by WCEV 
(multilingual ethnic, mostly Eastern European) and WRLL (Spanish). This 
is actually a relatively recent share-time, created in 1978 after 
then-WVON 1450 bought the better 1390 signal (ex-WGES, WNUS, etc.) and 
surrendered the 1450 facility. WFMT, the commercial classical station, 
became the interim licensee to keep the signal alive, but a comparative 
hearing process eventually yielded two new licensees for 1450.

And in little Decorah, Iowa, commercial KDEC shares 1240 with Luther 
College's KWLC. KWLC operates from 10 PM-1 AM weeknights and all day on 
weekends. KDEC apparently had a never-built CP to move to 1200 by itself 
in the early 1980s.

s

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct  5 01:09:45 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 01:09:45 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
In-Reply-To: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
References: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <4E8BE699.4010201@attorneyross.com>

On 10/4/2011 5:18 PM, Doug Drown wrote:

> Has anything more transpired with that plan of three or four years ago 
> to convert the former Westinghouse Building site into a mall, 
> retaining the old WBZA towers?  I'm assuming that when the economy 
> went south,
> that proposal went with it.    -Doug

I believe they were planning to retain only one of the towers.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Oct  5 08:57:36 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:57:36 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<4E8BC2EE.7080907@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <B925DB0047F8488CBA2D44CAF1DBEC28@SatU205S5044>

Hi, Scott: Thanks! Doug Broda had informed me yesterday of the
continued existence of the Chicago and Decorah pairs. Doug's message
said not to reply to him because he rarely looks in the mailbox from
which he sent the message. So I wrote the attached reply and took care
to address it to the entire list. Alas, however, after I dispatched
the message, I checked my own copy and discovered that, somewhere
along the line, my instructions to send it to the list apparently
disappeared, leaving the message to flow only to the mailbox that Doug
almost never opens. Some of what I learned is interesting,
particularly in view of KWLC's very limited operating hours. Unless
the college that owns KWLC maintains or leases the 410' (186-degree)
tower to also host an FM signal, the use of such a tall tower by a
noncommercial Class C AM that is licensed to a small agricultural
community and that operates only about 40 hours per week seems truly
bizarre. In fact, KDEC's use of a 93-degree tower, which requires
illumination, is also bizarre when a 199-foot tower would normally not
require illumination and would provide coverage so close to that of
the 205' tower that the difference would be essentially unmeasurable.

Anyhow, I received the calendar yesterday. Thanks. NICE JOB!!!

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Legal IDs and shared-time stations


> On 10/3/2011 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>> I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
>> shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years
>> ago.
>> It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
>> (KFKU?). There are now one or two such on FM, however, including
>> one
>> four-way time-share that was authorized in the last year or two.
>
> There are at least two remaining AM share-times that I know of.
>
> In Chicago (technically, Cicero IL), 1450 is shared by WCEV
> (multilingual ethnic, mostly Eastern European) and WRLL (Spanish).
> This is actually a relatively recent share-time, created in 1978
> after then-WVON 1450 bought the better 1390 signal (ex-WGES, WNUS,
> etc.) and surrendered the 1450 facility. WFMT, the commercial
> classical station, became the interim licensee to keep the signal
> alive, but a comparative hearing process eventually yielded two new
> licensees for 1450.
>
> And in little Decorah, Iowa, commercial KDEC shares 1240 with Luther
> College's KWLC. KWLC operates from 10 PM-1 AM weeknights and all day
> on weekends. KDEC apparently had a never-built CP to move to 1200 by
> itself in the early 1980s.
>
> s

From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net  Wed Oct  5 09:04:52 2011
From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:04:52 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
Message-ID: <20111005090452.oibdoiamckc4wgog@webmail.myfairpoint.net>

No one has yet responded to my question as to how TV stations get away 
with not having top-of-the-hour IDs, even at their 6 and 11 
newscasts.?? Last week, I saw WRGB seque right from one of its CBS 
programs into its 11:00 report, without so much as mentioning the 
station's name or location (which is given on its website as "CBS6 
Albany" even though it's been in Schenectady for 70-plus years).? Same 
with WBZ-TV.?

Isn't a TOH ID required by the FCC???? -Doug

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:57:36 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"  wrote:
Hi, Scott: Thanks! Doug Broda had informed me yesterday of the
> continued existence of the Chicago and Decorah pairs. Doug's message
> said not to reply to him because he rarely looks in the mailbox from
> which he sent the message. So I wrote the attached reply and took care
> to address it to the entire list. Alas, however, after I dispatched
> the message, I checked my own copy and discovered that, somewhere
> along the line, my instructions to send it to the list apparently
> disappeared, leaving the message to flow only to the mailbox that Doug
> almost never opens. Some of what I learned is interesting,
> particularly in view of KWLC's very limited operating hours. Unless
> the college that owns KWLC maintains or leases the 410' (186-degree)
> tower to also host an FM signal, the use of such a tall tower by a
> noncommercial Class C AM that is licensed to a small agricultural
> community and that operates only about 40 hours per week seems truly
> bizarre. In fact, KDEC's use of a 93-degree tower, which requires
> illumination, is also bizarre when a 199-foot tower would normally not
> require illumination and would provide coverage so close to that of
> the 205' tower that the difference would be essentially unmeasurable. 
>
> Anyhow, I received the calendar yesterday. Thanks. NICE JOB!!!
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
>
>
> > On 10/3/2011 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> >> I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
> >> shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years
> >> ago. 
> >> It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
> >> (KFKU?). There are now one or two such on FM, however, including
> >> one
> >> four-way time-share that was authorized in the last year or two. 
> >
> > There are at least two remaining AM share-times that I know of. 
> >
> > In Chicago (technically, Cicero IL), 1450 is shared by WCEV
> > (multilingual ethnic, mostly Eastern European) and WRLL (Spanish). 
> > This is actually a relatively recent share-time, created in 1978
> > after then-WVON 1450 bought the better 1390 signal (ex-WGES, WNUS,
> > etc.) and surrendered the 1450 facility. WFMT, the commercial
> > classical station, became the interim licensee to keep the signal
> > alive, but a comparative hearing process eventually yielded two new
> > licensees for 1450. 
> >
> > And in little Decorah, Iowa, commercial KDEC shares 1240 with Luther
> > College's KWLC. KWLC operates from 10 PM-1 AM weeknights and all day
> > on weekends. KDEC apparently had a never-built CP to move to 1200 by
> > itself in the early 1980s. 
> >
> > s
>




From martinjwaters@yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 09:56:01 2011
From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
In-Reply-To: <4E8BE699.4010201@attorneyross.com>
References: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
	<4E8BE699.4010201@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <1317822961.29309.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>I believe they were planning to retain only one of the towers.
?
???? Based on news coverage I've seen over several years, the redevelopment plan always has called for demolishing all the buildings, including the one with the towers on the roof,?except the office building at the front of the site (about 40 acres total).The plans, calling for a shopping mall,?did go into limbo when the economy crashed, but the property was sold earlier this year to O'Connell, based in Holyoke, a major developer in the area. According to a Springfield Republican article in April, O'Connell?said it also plans?demolition (supposedly "this year") of all but the office building and construction of a mall. A couple weeks ago, the Republican reported that one of the wanna-be casino developers in Massachusetts is considering the Westinghouse site. ?

From mward@iname.com  Wed Oct  5 12:25:58 2011
From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:25:58 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
> shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years ago.
> It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
> (KFKU?).

I'm pretty sure that it was KKSU (Kansas State University).

I'm also pretty sure that the FCC would NEVER approve the call letters
of "KFKU", for obvious reasons.

:)

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Oct  5 13:10:03 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:10:03 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:25:58 -0400, Mike Ward <mward@iname.com> said:

> I'm also pretty sure that the FCC would NEVER approve the call letters
<> of "KFKU", for obvious reasons.

Why not?  They issued WFUC.  (As a sequential call, no less!)  It's
now WBAA-FM; apparently the Purdue administration didn't want the
students signing on with that call.  KFKU used to exist; it was the
now-deleted 1250 at the University of Kansas, and was a
single-transmitter share-time with WREN in Topeka.  (WREN was moved to
Kansas City and is now KYYS.)  See Richie Kennedy's Web site:
<http://www.route56.com/radio/mid/timeshare.html>.

-GAWollman


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 11:58:14 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:58:14 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
References: <20111005090452.oibdoiamckc4wgog@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <C4A64151F2094670A4827555D7314C87@s20035>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net>

> Isn't a TOH ID required by the FCC? -Doug

Remember...a visual ID covers this requirement....it doesn't have to be 
audio.


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Wed Oct  5 13:26:20 2011
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:26:20 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMQUtR_uL+Zqn83gZVkJzZYy7Tgfq5JB=Vc4Pg5Yw9aPHBvSzw@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> > I'm also pretty sure that the FCC would NEVER approve the call letters
> <> of "KFKU", for obvious reasons.
>
>
>
This reminds me of a story I heard a while back about an amateur who was
randomly assigned the call "WA1FUC".

He phoned the FCC and asked if they could please issue him a new callsign.
The nice lady on the other side of the phone said something to the effect of
"What's wrong with the call you have, it's only the first three letters?"

To which the callsign holder responded "Yes, but when I operate on CW, I
send the letter K (CW procedure meaning "over") after my callsign".

The woman said "I see your point" and the ham was assigned a new callsign.

-Bob

From irw@well.com  Wed Oct  5 13:16:10 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1927498146.1554.1317834970753.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

-GAWollman wrote:

> They issued WFUC.  (As a sequential call, no less!)

For posterity, my notes say that the FCC issued WFUC to the 101.3FM, West Lafayette allocation in 1991.

For comparison, WBAA(AM) signed on in 1922.

- Blaine


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct  5 14:52:10 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:52:10 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4E8CA75A.4060307@attorneyross.com>

On 10/5/2011 1:10 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> <<On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:25:58 -0400, Mike Ward<mward@iname.com>  said:
>
>> I'm also pretty sure that the FCC would NEVER approve the call letters
> <>  of "KFKU", for obvious reasons.
>
> Why not?  They issued WFUC.  (As a sequential call, no less!)  It's
> now WBAA-FM; apparently the Purdue administration didn't want the
> students signing on with that call.  KFKU used to exist; it was the
> now-deleted 1250 at the University of Kansas, and was a
> single-transmitter share-time with WREN in Topeka.  (WREN was moved to
> Kansas City and is now KYYS.)  See Richie Kennedy's Web site:
> <http://www.route56.com/radio/mid/timeshare.html>.

Perhaps in more innocent times, nobody figured out the objectionable 
implications of that call.

Kinda like the late 1960 MAD cover, congratulating Nixon on his election 
as President on one side of the magazine and Kennedy on the other.  
Alfred was depicted wearing buttons "I Like Dick" and "I Like Jack," but 
in those days, nobody thought "I Like Dick" meant what we would tend to 
think of today.  Both buttons were simply meant to recall the "I Like 
Ike" buttons of the two immediately past elections.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Oct  5 17:17:04 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:17:04 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
References: <1927498146.1554.1317834970753.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
Message-ID: <E8A3C334F0D943C5838AE7DFBCA9F4B9@SatU205S5044>

He said, somewhat sheepishly...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Thompson" <irw@well.com>
To: "Boston Radio Interest" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Legal IDs and shared-time stations


>
> For comparison, WBAA(AM) signed on in 1922.
>
> - Blaine
> 


From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Oct  5 19:50:23 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:50:23 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
Message-ID: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>

 



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 19:36:31 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:36:31 -0400
Subject: Merlin's Chicago all news a big bomb in ratings
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPDL8DUegOxe7vHLkqgaEJk0xNfs7K-R8mjkk45Sb2wxA@mail.gmail.com>

Not much good can be spun from this as they finished 48th in the market with
a 0.2

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-1005-fm-news-20111005,0,2424639.story


Maybe this TMZ like approach will work in NY but Chicago folks seem to like
their news straight and boring. Remember Rupet Murdoch failed their badly
with the Sun-Times.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 20:32:14 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:32:14 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
References: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Steve Jobs's name should be mentioned with Ford, Edison, Bell, and all of
the other great American innovators.

RIP



On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
wrote:
>
>
>

From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Oct  5 20:49:20 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:49:20 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
	<CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d3701cc83c1$c98d9e10$5ca8da30$@com>

Leo Laporte is doing a live broadcast about Steve Jobs on
http://live.twit.tv     

 

From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:32 PM
To: Gary's Ice Cream
Cc: Boston radio e-mail list
Subject: Re: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.

 

Steve Jobs's name should be mentioned with Ford, Edison, Bell, and all of
the other great American innovators.

RIP

 



On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
wrote:
>
>
>



From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Oct  5 21:29:01 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:29:01 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <0d3701cc83c1$c98d9e10$5ca8da30$@com>
References: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
	<CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d3701cc83c1$c98d9e10$5ca8da30$@com>
Message-ID: <20109.1117.518682.990434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:49:20 -0400, "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com> said:

> Leo Laporte is doing a live broadcast about Steve Jobs on
> http://live.twit.tv     

Finally, some broadcast relevance!  (Although I think Leo is based in
Petaluma, California, which is rather outside our remit.)

-GAWollman


From marklaurence@mac.com  Wed Oct  5 21:44:16 2011
From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:44:16 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <20109.1117.518682.990434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
	<CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d3701cc83c1$c98d9e10$5ca8da30$@com>
	<20109.1117.518682.990434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <0610DE11-691A-4C8D-AF27-0E085114364B@mac.com>

On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> Finally, some broadcast relevance! 

I guess this has some broadcast relevance.  I got this news the same way I learned of Michael Jackson's death. It was not from any broadcaster or even online, but via text message on my cellphone from radio news source All Access.

Not exactly high tech or mass-media, but one of the most far-reaching forms of push-media.

RIP, Steve Jobs.  By some standards I was a little late to the Apple fan club, but after 2000 I was completely hooked.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct  5 22:15:38 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:15:38 -0400
Subject: Merlin's Chicago all news a big bomb in ratings
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsPDL8DUegOxe7vHLkqgaEJk0xNfs7K-R8mjkk45Sb2wxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABnTNsPDL8DUegOxe7vHLkqgaEJk0xNfs7K-R8mjkk45Sb2wxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ED97988-7840-4D5F-BDB5-571876451029@mac.com>


On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Not much good can be spun from this as they finished 48th in the market with
> a 0.2
> 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-1005-fm-news-20111005,0,2424639.story
> 

I don?t think the initial ratings after a format change mean too much.  It takes a while for an audience to discover the station, and for people to break their old listening habits.  If it?s still in the crapper after a year, then I don?t see much hope for it.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  6 01:04:41 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:04:41 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
In-Reply-To: <1317822961.29309.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
	<4E8BE699.4010201@attorneyross.com>
	<1317822961.29309.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E8D36E9.9080305@attorneyross.com>

On 10/5/2011 9:56 AM, Martin Waters wrote:

> >A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> >I believe they were planning to retain only one of the towers.
>      Based on news coverage I've seen over several years, the 
> redevelopment plan always has called for demolishing all the 
> buildings, including the one with the towers on the roof, except the 
> office building at the front of the site (about 40 acres total).The 
> plans, calling for a shopping mall, did go into limbo when the economy 
> crashed, but the property was sold earlier this year to O'Connell, 
> based in Holyoke, a major developer in the area. According to a 
> Springfield Republican article in April, O'Connell said it also 
> plans demolition (supposedly "this year") of all but the office 
> building and construction of a mall. A couple weeks ago, the 
> Republican reported that one of the wanna-be casino developers in 
> Massachusetts is considering the Westinghouse site.

You've jogged my memory.  I think the plans were for demolishing the 
buildings and both towers, but after some public protest, someone 
proposed a compromise to demolish one tower and leave the other 
standing.  Of course, the entire plans went on hold because of the economy.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From dbroda@nycap.rr.com  Thu Oct  6 09:29:28 2011
From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:29:28 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <B925DB0047F8488CBA2D44CAF1DBEC28@SatU205S5044>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>	<4E8BC2EE.7080907@fybush.com>
	<B925DB0047F8488CBA2D44CAF1DBEC28@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4E8DAD38.20304@nycap.rr.com>

And I neglected to send the message I sent to the list and sent it 
directly to Dan in error... oops. (FYI, I actually do try to read this 
email, which I use for this list and a legal mailing list. Messages sent 
from the mailing lists actually filter to my business email address, but 
the disclaimer is at the bottom because lawyers and clients who might 
trip over either list could send an email to this address that I don't 
see for days, so I have to cover my tailfeathers with that sig. Us 
lawyers do that CYA stuff all the time.)

KLNI-FM appears to broadcast from the same location as KWLC, on the 
colleger campus, albeit with a CP to move to share tower with co-owned 
KLCD. (Per radio-locator.com.)

The tower locations of KDEC AM and FM appear to be at the same location, 
as does their studio address, if I am reading things correctly.

On 10/5/2011 8:57 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Hi, Scott: Thanks! Doug Broda had informed me yesterday of the
> continued existence of the Chicago and Decorah pairs. Doug's message
> said not to reply to him because he rarely looks in the mailbox from
> which he sent the message. So I wrote the attached reply and took care
> to address it to the entire list. Alas, however, after I dispatched
> the message, I checked my own copy and discovered that, somewhere
> along the line, my instructions to send it to the list apparently
> disappeared, leaving the message to flow only to the mailbox that Doug
> almost never opens. Some of what I learned is interesting,
> particularly in view of KWLC's very limited operating hours. Unless
> the college that owns KWLC maintains or leases the 410' (186-degree)
> tower to also host an FM signal, the use of such a tall tower by a
> noncommercial Class C AM that is licensed to a small agricultural
> community and that operates only about 40 hours per week seems truly
> bizarre. In fact, KDEC's use of a 93-degree tower, which requires
> illumination, is also bizarre when a 199-foot tower would normally not
> require illumination and would provide coverage so close to that of
> the 205' tower that the difference would be essentially unmeasurable.
>
> Anyhow, I received the calendar yesterday. Thanks. NICE JOB!!!
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
>
>
>> On 10/3/2011 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>> I believe that the US AM band has seen (heard?) the last of the
>>> shared-time stations. I think it left the air two or three years
>>> ago.
>>> It shared time with WIBW Topeka KS, but I can't remember the calls
>>> (KFKU?). There are now one or two such on FM, however, including
>>> one
>>> four-way time-share that was authorized in the last year or two.
>>
>> There are at least two remaining AM share-times that I know of.
>>
>> In Chicago (technically, Cicero IL), 1450 is shared by WCEV
>> (multilingual ethnic, mostly Eastern European) and WRLL (Spanish).
>> This is actually a relatively recent share-time, created in 1978
>> after then-WVON 1450 bought the better 1390 signal (ex-WGES, WNUS,
>> etc.) and surrendered the 1450 facility. WFMT, the commercial
>> classical station, became the interim licensee to keep the signal
>> alive, but a comparative hearing process eventually yielded two new
>> licensees for 1450.
>>
>> And in little Decorah, Iowa, commercial KDEC shares 1240 with Luther
>> College's KWLC. KWLC operates from 10 PM-1 AM weeknights and all day
>> on weekends. KDEC apparently had a never-built CP to move to 1200 by
>> itself in the early 1980s.
>>
>> s


-- 
Douglas J. Broda
Attorney at Law
Post Office Box 239
Troy, New York 12182
(518) 272-0580
Fax (518) 237-0949

NOTE: I do not regularly read emails from this account, other than those sent to mailing lists to which I subscribe, in order to minimize spam. If you need to reach me quickly and do not have my other email address, please feel free to call me.



From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Thu Oct  6 16:35:57 2011
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations 
Message-ID: <4a507.2854a436.3bbf6b2d@aol.com>

How about the woman in Florida with the vanity call WB1TCH?
 
Mike - K1MH
 
 
In a message dated 10/6/2011 12:01:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>>This reminds me of a story I heard a while back about  an amateur who was
randomly assigned the call "WA1FUC".

He phoned  the FCC and asked if they could please issue him a new callsign.
The nice  lady on the other side of the phone said something to the effect 
of
"What's  wrong with the call you have, it's only the first three  
letters?"<<<



From mward@iname.com  Thu Oct  6 17:58:23 2011
From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:58:23 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEZgpYPcYaWsD_dMYa3HnBkmnZqBm71-_P_BX8jK3VX4NkKDSQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> <<On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:25:58 -0400, Mike Ward <mward@iname.com> said:
>
>> I'm also pretty sure that the FCC would NEVER approve the call letters
> <> of "KFKU", for obvious reasons.
>
> Why not? ?They issued WFUC. ?(As a sequential call, no less!) ?It's
> now WBAA-FM; apparently the Purdue administration didn't want the
> students signing on with that call. ?KFKU used to exist; it was the
> now-deleted 1250 at the University of Kansas, and was a
> single-transmitter share-time with WREN in Topeka.

Oh, of course. I get the idea that sequentially assigned calls like
WFUC are handed out almost without the FCC realizing what they've
done.  If Purdue hadn't have rejected it, surely the FCC would have
pulled it if they realized what they'd done (probably automatically).


From paulranderson@charter.net  Thu Oct  6 18:28:10 2011
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:28:10 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <0610DE11-691A-4C8D-AF27-0E085114364B@mac.com>
References: <0d1601cc83b9$8d40bbc0$a7c23340$@com>
	<CABnTNsMQvV+OyEkXNYZFnasKQWwb=SSX8u4_zuBzRtetvm00ZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d3701cc83c1$c98d9e10$5ca8da30$@com>
	<20109.1117.518682.990434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<0610DE11-691A-4C8D-AF27-0E085114364B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <29061028-A20B-477C-8870-4F7580005A97@charter.net>

Here is a quote from Steve Jobs from BusinessWeek, May 1998:

    "It's really hard to design products by focus groups.
     A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."

This is the problem with most radio stations.  They don't trust themselves to pick what their audience WILL like, they just play what the focus groups tell them they ALREADY like.

I wonder what would have happened if Steve Jobs had programmed a radio station.

Paul

From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Oct  6 20:18:57 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:18:57 -0400
Subject: Legal IDs and shared-time stations
In-Reply-To: <CAEZgpYPcYaWsD_dMYa3HnBkmnZqBm71-_P_BX8jK3VX4NkKDSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908C4A926B34668B9B0B3A0C155C61C@SatU205S5044>
	<CAEZgpYM1qQS87UoRNHBFu4TqzmuvkyRjMQ-Z8oVm=tBWfRBfCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20108.36715.219758.709947@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<CAEZgpYPcYaWsD_dMYa3HnBkmnZqBm71-_P_BX8jK3VX4NkKDSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110.17777.155000.865480@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:58:23 -0400, Mike Ward <mward@iname.com> said:

> Oh, of course. I get the idea that sequentially assigned calls like
> WFUC are handed out almost without the FCC realizing what they've
> done.

They don't do them at all any more.  Licensees are supposed to request
a call sign of their choosing before the station begins operation.

-GAWollman


From bwelch1957@verizon.net  Fri Oct  7 19:16:53 2011
From: bwelch1957@verizon.net (Bill Welch)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:16:53 -0400
Subject: WBZ ID at the Hotel!
In-Reply-To: <4E8D36E9.9080305@attorneyross.com>
References: <20111004171858.5xnozup1foc88sw8@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
	<4E8BE699.4010201@attorneyross.com>
	<1317822961.29309.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4E8D36E9.9080305@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4E8F8865.3020400@verizon.net>


Demo has begun not sure if the towers are coming down or not they were 
still standing two weeks ago when I drove by on I 291

He's a link to the company doing the demo.

http://www.nasdidemo.com/Projects/NASDI-demolition-projects.aspx

The site was purchased in November by O?Connell Development Group of 
Holyoke for $4.2 million.

Francesca Maltese, development manager for O?Connell, said the 
long-range plan is for a mixed-use retail and office project. The work 
this year will involve demolition of buildings, except for the office 
building, which will remain standing.

And as someone mentioned Penn National Gaming has expressed an interest 
in the site for a possible casino.



A Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 10/5/2011 9:56 AM, Martin Waters wrote:
>
>> >A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>> >I believe they were planning to retain only one of the towers.
>> Based on news coverage I've seen over several years, the 
>> redevelopment plan always has called for demolishing all the 
>> buildings, including the one with the towers on the roof, except the 
>> office building at the front of the site (about 40 acres total).The 
>> plans, calling for a shopping mall, did go into limbo when the 
>> economy crashed, but the property was sold earlier this year to 
>> O'Connell, based in Holyoke, a major developer in the area. According 
>> to a Springfield Republican article in April, O'Connell said it also 
>> plans demolition (supposedly "this year") of all but the office 
>> building and construction of a mall. A couple weeks ago, the 
>> Republican reported that one of the wanna-be casino developers in 
>> Massachusetts is considering the Westinghouse site.
>
> You've jogged my memory. I think the plans were for demolishing the 
> buildings and both towers, but after some public protest, someone 
> proposed a compromise to demolish one tower and leave the other 
> standing. Of course, the entire plans went on hold because of the 
> economy.
>


From gary@garysicecream.com  Wed Oct 12 15:05:19 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:05:19 -0400
Subject: Worker killed in tower fall in Newton
Message-ID: <125001cc8911$e35e5000$aa1af000$@com>

NEWTON, Mass. -- Fire officials confirmed that one person died after falling
from a tower in Newton on Wednesday.

 

The tower was located on Chestnut Street at Oak Street.

 

Reportedly FM-128 tower owned by American Tower Systems (former WHDH-TV 5
tower, now FM128)



From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Oct 12 15:53:33 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:33 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
Message-ID: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

A tower climber fell from the FM-128 tower and died today.  According
to press reports, he was about 1,000 feet up.  No word on what work
was being performed.

-GAWollman


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 15:58:00 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:58:00 -0400
Subject: Man killed falling off FM-128 tower
Message-ID: <CABnTNsM2jMj0sr+3Q-02SB_CxYph4z94POU_rqR3NF2=U9rK_w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/10/man-falls-death-from-newton-tower/mDtkX765lIqMAXVnEgCi1I/index.html


There is no information on what he was doing on the tower.

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Wed Oct 12 16:38:55 2011
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:38:55 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
In-Reply-To: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>

The metrodesk at the globe reports "he was installing a safety
ladder and performing routine maintenance".

Interesting that the article identifies the tower as the "old WHDH-TV
tower".
I guess "old" must be referring to WHDH-TV, not to the tower.

-Bob


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> A tower climber fell from the FM-128 tower and died today.  According
> to press reports, he was about 1,000 feet up.  No word on what work
> was being performed.
>
> -GAWollman
>
>

From irw@well.com  Wed Oct 12 21:06:30 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Latest on Newton tower accident
Message-ID: <1663420531.3725.1318467990715.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

http://www.kcci.com/news/29466536/detail.html reports that the man who died is an Iowan and is a contractor for American Tower Co.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/newton/breaking/x765171683/DA-Newton-radio-tower-death-appears-accidental claims the death is accidental based on a report from the Middlesex District Attorney's Office.

- Blaine


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 12 23:46:48 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:46:48 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E965F28.2040700@attorneyross.com>

On 10/12/2011 4:38 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote:

> The metrodesk at the globe reports "he was installing a safety
> ladder and performing routine maintenance".
>
> Interesting that the article identifies the tower as the "old WHDH-TV
> tower".
> I guess "old" must be referring to WHDH-TV, not to the tower.

WBUR said that it was used by various radio and TV stations.  Are there 
any TV stations using that tower any more?

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 01:04:56 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:04:56 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
In-Reply-To: <4E965F28.2040700@attorneyross.com>
References: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E965F28.2040700@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMPiQLrVEGWfmgQUBKy4+zeXK0KkKAyxKLKcwgBVO_EFQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know Channel 62 move there when they went digital - they used to be
at 1 Beacon,

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 4:38 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote:
>
>> The metrodesk at the globe reports "he was installing a safety
>> ladder and performing routine maintenance".
>>
>> Interesting that the article identifies the tower as the "old WHDH-TV
>> tower".
>> I guess "old" must be referring to WHDH-TV, not to the tower.
>
> WBUR said that it was used by various radio and TV stations. ?Are there any
> TV stations using that tower any more?
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700 ? ? ? ? ?Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004 ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Oct 13 01:40:50 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:40:50 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
In-Reply-To: <4E965F28.2040700@attorneyross.com>
References: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E965F28.2040700@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <20118.31202.532884.638630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:46:48 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> WBUR said that it was used by various radio and TV stations.  Are there 
> any TV stations using that tower any more?

More than there ever were before the digital transition.  There are at
least three that I know of: WFXZ-CA (24?), WMFP (62), and WBPX (68).
I'm not sure where WYDN (48) is -- there was some talk of them ending
up on 350 Cedar.  (I could look it up, I suppose.  Looks like WYDN is
licensed for FM-128 but has a construction permit for 350 Cedar.)

-GAWollman


From irw@well.com  Thu Oct 13 20:52:38 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Newton tower victim was 30-year-old from Iowa
Message-ID: <441186662.3698.1318553558042.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

http://www.wickedlocal.com/newton/features/x485787278/DA-Newton-tower-victim-was-30-year-old-from-Iowa claims that the man who fell from the tower in Newton yesterday is a 30-year-old man from Iowa.  No ID yet.

- Blaine


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Fri Oct 14 08:59:04 2011
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:59:04 -0400
Subject: putting the rap on sports
Message-ID: <4E983218.2070809@server4.gabrielmass.com>

98.5's Toucher and Rich and WEEI's building make cameo appearances in 
the video for "Titletown", a sports song by local spoof artistes "The 
Super Secret Project":

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQaVvLNpoY


*

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 12:15:58 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:15:58 -0400
Subject: Randy Michaels arrested
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPbAUJZpNjWJf9Q1P=sN2DpxjK9z3_K8grmrQOU1RC6Zg@mail.gmail.com>

Both WBBM and WGN made sure this story was given major air time this morning
in Chicago.

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region_north_cincinnati/middletown/broadcasting-exec.-arrested-for-ovi-in-middletown


In Ohio OVI stands for operating a vehicle impaired.

From webmaster@rabbitears.info  Sat Oct  1 23:29:19 2011
From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip Ericson)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 23:29:19 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1824.1317525731.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.1824.1317525731.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <4E87DA8F.3050806@rabbitears.info>

Probably not the longest, but WVTF's Radio IQ network is pretty lengthy.

http://173.255.226.66/wvtw-201103172300.mp3

Here's an ID from the main WVTF network.  It leaves out many 
translators, including the one from which it was recorded in 
Charlottesville (W209AA).

http://173.255.226.66/w209aa-201103180100.mp3

- Trip
www.rabbitears.info



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From keith.perron@pcjmedia.com  Mon Oct  3 00:35:37 2011
From: keith.perron@pcjmedia.com (Mac)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:35:37 +0800
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <20111002074254.wtrvi2ng6c8swwgk@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <CAAF5C99.70DE%keith.perron@pcjmedia.com>

Been reading everything that was here. There are some things that I wonder
are really needed today. First a station ID. Once an hour is fine, but when
I was last in the US I heard some stations that had IDs every fifteen mins.
Is there a point? Do people really care? Here stations use RDS (Radio Data
System) which just transmits the station to the display. If someone has an
older set then they get it on the hour. There is no need for a station to
keep identifying every 15mins.
Just like some stations I heard them give the weather every 15mins. Wait
please help me understand. Your giving the current weather 15mins?? This
also make no sence. When I was in Miami last summer, there was one station
doing this. All they kept saying its the current temp is ..... And the
weather is sunny bla bla bla. Ahh wait can I not look outside? They feel
that they are offering a service. What service. For myself I never listen to
to the radio for weather. If I want the weather I just use one of the apps
on my phone. Radio in the last 15 years has been going through a transition,
but it seems no one yet had got an idea what they are doing. First we saw
drops in audience from in the 90s when cable and DTH was having wider reach.
Then the internet and now phone apps.
Now at PCJ we only use station IDs and an interval only to notify our relays
when the program is to begin. The internal starts at 58:40min exactly,
transmitter on at 58:50 then at 59:35 frequency announcement 59:54 to 00:00
time signal. But all this is done only for technical reasons as a que to our
satellite feed, transmitter relays and to partner stations overseas. But
during the programs I think the only time we give out the name of the
station is during contact information. In the case of stations that relay
our programs on a delay, we encode the audio with date for RDS.
Do people really care about the station or the content? The station is only
a platform for delivery for content. Content is number one.

Keith




From mrschuyler@aol.com  Thu Oct  6 16:56:39 2011
From: mrschuyler@aol.com (J.E.Schuyler)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
Message-ID: <8CE528194213216-DB8-3E02A@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com>


The comment about and link to Leo Laporte does have broadcast -- and even New England -- relevance, IIRC.  Seems to me I've heard him on AM radio on the weekend a while back on a Providence, southeastern Massachusett or South Worcester County station.  It's possible the station was picking up his audio from the internet.  If he's the gent I'm thinking of, he does an entertaining and informative show.

--Schuyler

From john@pcsupportsolutions.com  Wed Oct 12 18:40:18 2011
From: john@pcsupportsolutions.com (John Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:40:18 -0400
Subject: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20117.61501.508417.830010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<CAMQUtR9CYioVBnsaOtjQKrYpL+Gv+u8VZfH-w8uZ6jyGBWcJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09fe01cc892f$eb81ead0$c285c070$@com>

OK, I am confused.  What is on the FM 128 Tower?

Here it is on Google maps Satellite photo:
 
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1165+Chestnut+Street,+Newton,+MA&hl=en&ll=42.30761
6,-71.222796&spn=0.00144,0.002411&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.111473,79.01367
2&vpsrc=6&hnear=1165+Chestnut+St,+Newton,+Massachusetts+02464&t=h&z=19

OR:
http://g.co/maps/sp4tn

I can't explain why it looks bent...

John Allen K1AE


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob
DeMattia
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:39 PM
To: boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: Man falls from FM-128 tower, dies

The metrodesk at the globe reports "he was installing a safety
ladder and performing routine maintenance".

Interesting that the article identifies the tower as the "old WHDH-TV
tower".
I guess "old" must be referring to WHDH-TV, not to the tower.

-Bob


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> A tower climber fell from the FM-128 tower and died today.  According
> to press reports, he was about 1,000 feet up.  No word on what work
> was being performed.
>
> -GAWollman
>
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Oct 14 14:16:24 2011
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: Newton tower victim was 30-year-old from Iowa
Message-ID: <20111014181624.239630@gmx.com>

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Blaine Thompson
>Sent: 10/13/11 08:52 PM
>To: Boston
>Subject: Newton tower victim was 30-year-old from Iowa

 >http://www.wickedlocal.com/newton/features/x485787278/DA-Newton-tower-victim-was-30-year-old-from-Iowa claims that the man who fell from the tower in Newton yesterday is a 30-year->old man from Iowa. No ID yet. >- Blaine

 The tower in the photo is that of the CURRENT WHDH-TV channel 42, not the original WHDH-TV channel 5 tower where the accident occurred.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 14:14:19 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:14:19 -0500
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <8CE528194213216-DB8-3E02A@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE528194213216-DB8-3E02A@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg07pLq22QrtZbxA5Bz5NhOr+WEAqEUWB+0+MUfeMcnrOA@mail.gmail.com>

Leo Laporte's show is syndicated to quite a few stations across the
country...on satelitte



On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:56 PM, J.E.Schuyler <mrschuyler@aol.com> wrote:

>
> The comment about and link to Leo Laporte does have broadcast -- and even
> New England -- relevance, IIRC.  Seems to me I've heard him on AM radio on
> the weekend a while back on a Providence, southeastern Massachusett or South
> Worcester County station.  It's possible the station was picking up his
> audio from the internet.  If he's the gent I'm thinking of, he does an
> entertaining and informative show.
>
> --Schuyler
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 14:18:43 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:18:43 -0500
Subject: Old Posts
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg336L+OJ8p-VXzfHpXNzJ-=9TPQQdysmWOWzc6q4wDeMw@mail.gmail.com>

I just had about 5 posts as from as long ago as 2 1/2 weeks ago show up in
my inbox.

What happened? Just curious.

Paul

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Oct 16 14:39:45 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:39:45 -0400
Subject: Old Posts
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg336L+OJ8p-VXzfHpXNzJ-=9TPQQdysmWOWzc6q4wDeMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADC3Yg336L+OJ8p-VXzfHpXNzJ-=9TPQQdysmWOWzc6q4wDeMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20123.9457.527693.912592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:18:43 -0500, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said:

> I just had about 5 posts as from as long ago as 2 1/2 weeks ago show up in
> my inbox.

> What happened? Just curious.

What happened was that your moderator went through the moderation
queue for the list and cleared the posts that were still waiting for
human inspection.  The legitimate posts (half a dozen or so) were
forwarded to the list, and the spams (about a gross) were discarded.

-GAWollman


From gary@garysicecream.com  Sun Oct 16 14:47:49 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:47:49 -0400
Subject: FW: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
Message-ID: <01fb01cc8c34$1a62eaa0$4f28bfe0$@com>

His show is broadcast live both Saturday and Sundays on Premiere Networks
satellite channel #7.  It is also on Sirius/XM on "America's Talk".  The
show is streamed live at http:/twit.live.tv  and the audio and video stay
hot during the commercials and breaks so you can hear Leo talking to the
production staff, visitors, etc.  Plus you can hear the pad music in the
background with the announcements in the background "Premiere Channel
7....rejoin the Tech Guy show at :06:00.., etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
J.E.Schuyler
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:57 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: RE: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.


The comment about and link to Leo Laporte does have broadcast -- and even
New England -- relevance, IIRC.  Seems to me I've heard him on AM radio on
the weekend a while back on a Providence, southeastern Massachusett or South
Worcester County station.  It's possible the station was picking up his
audio from the internet.  If he's the gent I'm thinking of, he does an
entertaining and informative show.

--Schuyler


From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Sun Oct 16 14:21:00 2011
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:21:00 -0400
Subject: WAMC  Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4E87DA8F.3050806@rabbitears.info>
References: <mailman.1824.1317525731.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
	<4E87DA8F.3050806@rabbitears.info>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111016141909.027fc2d0@plymouthcolony.net>

At 11:29 PM 10/1/2011, Trip Ericson wrote:

>Here's an ID from the main WVTF network.  It leaves out many translators

They use AM FSK IDs on most of their translators (Their CE, Ops 
manager and GM are old friends of mine).

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Sun Oct 16 14:23:01 2011
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:23:01 -0400
Subject: Breaking News: Apple announces Steve Jobs is dead at 56.
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg07pLq22QrtZbxA5Bz5NhOr+WEAqEUWB+0+MUfeMcnrOA@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <8CE528194213216-DB8-3E02A@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com>
	<CADC3Yg07pLq22QrtZbxA5Bz5NhOr+WEAqEUWB+0+MUfeMcnrOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111016142154.0289e7c8@plymouthcolony.net>

At 02:14 PM 10/16/2011, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

>Leo Laporte's show is syndicated to quite a few stations across the
>country...on satelitte

... by Premiere (Clear Channel Satellite Services).

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Sun Oct 16 15:04:07 2011
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:04:07 -0400
Subject: Old Posts
In-Reply-To: <20123.9457.527693.912592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <CADC3Yg336L+OJ8p-VXzfHpXNzJ-=9TPQQdysmWOWzc6q4wDeMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20123.9457.527693.912592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111016144823.028eb0c8@plymouthcolony.net>

At 02:39 PM 10/16/2011, Garrett Wollman wrote:

>What happened was that your moderator went through the moderation
>queue for the list and cleared the posts that were still waiting for
>human inspection.  The legitimate posts (half a dozen or so) were
>forwarded to the list, and the spams (about a gross) were discarded.

That moderation is one of the reasons why I like this list. Just this 
week I unsubbed two unmoderated broadcasting lists upon which erupted 
political shouting matches. Some other unmoderated lists which I sub 
and message boards which I visit have just started receiving their 
annual bouts of Christmas gift giving spam - a problem every year, 
and one which the host system for those lists and boards could at 
least partly eliminate with open source filtering tools, but which 
they do nothing about other than deleting the posts about which users complain.

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 16:12:45 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:12:45 -0500
Subject: Old Posts
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111016144823.028eb0c8@plymouthcolony.net>
References: <CADC3Yg336L+OJ8p-VXzfHpXNzJ-=9TPQQdysmWOWzc6q4wDeMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20123.9457.527693.912592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20111016144823.028eb0c8@plymouthcolony.net>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg2udg7W_KEphtP2w1_6ick2Rken0cM=ixBDHCg2z5L9qg@mail.gmail.com>

Garrett,

I figure it was something like that. .but I was just asking to be sure :)
I've had gmail screw up and emails show up hours after they came in:)

I'm not complaining either.. I participate.. but not so much anymore.. in a
Midwestern Radio message Board where anything and everything gets said.. and
nothing is edited or removed, ever.. and I've been slammed tons of times on
there.

paul

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dale H. Cook
<radiotest@plymouthcolony.net>wrote:

> At 02:39 PM 10/16/2011, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>  What happened was that your moderator went through the moderation
>> queue for the list and cleared the posts that were still waiting for
>> human inspection.  The legitimate posts (half a dozen or so) were
>> forwarded to the list, and the spams (about a gross) were discarded.
>>
>
> That moderation is one of the reasons why I like this list. Just this week
> I unsubbed two unmoderated broadcasting lists upon which erupted political
> shouting matches. Some other unmoderated lists which I sub and message
> boards which I visit have just started receiving their annual bouts of
> Christmas gift giving spam - a problem every year, and one which the host
> system for those lists and boards could at least partly eliminate with open
> source filtering tools, but which they do nothing about other than deleting
> the posts about which users complain.
>
> Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
> http://plymouthcolony.net/**starcityeng/index.html<http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 18:07:13 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:07:13 -0400
Subject: WAMC Legal ID
In-Reply-To: <4E87DA8F.3050806@rabbitears.info>
References: <mailman.1824.1317525731.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
	<4E87DA8F.3050806@rabbitears.info>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPcVWPcOUWhAg+G3CezONu5s8wCF8AKq4yqRNTxVD0fqw@mail.gmail.com>

WMOR-TV has a beaut

Lakeland-Orlando-Tampa-St. Petersburg

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 16:11:01 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:11:01 -0400
Subject: Newly launched WBIN-TV hopes to take a bite out of WMUR's market
Message-ID: <D5CDE4FB180D43AB83E65F5FC8A4504B@s20035>


http://www.nhbr.com/news/935099-395/newly-launched-wbin-tv-hopes-to-take-a.html

"The sale of WZMY was finalized in May for $9.25 million -- a third of the 
$28 million Diana Sutter had paid for the channel in 2004."

EEK!

The previous owner (who was it?) lost over eighteen MILLION dollars on the 
TV station?  Yikes!

I remember when they signed Channel 50 on with the high hopes that original 
management and owners had for the operation.

How many owners of Channel 50 have there been?






From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 20:45:00 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:45:00 -0400
Subject: Newly launched WBIN-TV hopes to take a bite out of WMUR's market
In-Reply-To: <D5CDE4FB180D43AB83E65F5FC8A4504B@s20035>
References: <D5CDE4FB180D43AB83E65F5FC8A4504B@s20035>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsNAEKGg9aWDbm=0+2Qn5-Tye93Hma6B5GqjJ6JvO7OvBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure of how many owners (3?)  but this version of Channel 50 has been on
for 28 years and honestly besides former weather man Al they have made zero
impact in the market.

By 1983 WMUR was starting to become a real TV station and WNDS just could
not make a dent. Meanwhile WNHT (Channel 21 in Concord) came along a year
later and had some success as an indy. However they made an ill fated move
to CBS in 1988 which was doomed as cable companies in southern NH still
carried channel 7 for CBS.

While 50 has been able to get cleared by most cable outlets in eastern
Massachusetts they suffered from a washed out analog picture for years.

50 is many ways is like channels 46 and 62 - it is there but ignored by
all.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Don <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.nhbr.com/news/**935099-395/newly-launched-**
> wbin-tv-hopes-to-take-a.html<http://www.nhbr.com/news/935099-395/newly-launched-wbin-tv-hopes-to-take-a.html>
>
> "The sale of WZMY was finalized in May for $9.25 million -- a third of the
> $28 million Diana Sutter had paid for the channel in 2004."
>
> EEK!
>
> The previous owner (who was it?) lost over eighteen MILLION dollars on the
> TV station?  Yikes!
>
> I remember when they signed Channel 50 on with the high hopes that original
> management and owners had for the operation.
>
> How many owners of Channel 50 have there been?
>
>
>
>
>
>

From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Oct 17 01:29:22 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 01:29:22 -0400
Subject: Newly launched WBIN-TV hopes to take a bite out of WMUR's market
References: <D5CDE4FB180D43AB83E65F5FC8A4504B@s20035>
	<CABnTNsNAEKGg9aWDbm=0+2Qn5-Tye93Hma6B5GqjJ6JvO7OvBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <296C8964B82E4362BF9F65775FE70CD4@s20035>

From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>


> Not sure of how many owners (3?)  but this version of Channel 50 has been 
> on
> for 28 years and honestly besides former weather man Al they have made 
> zero
> impact in the market.

What "version" are you referring to? 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 02:11:05 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:11:05 -0400
Subject: Newly launched WBIN-TV hopes to take a bite out of WMUR's market
In-Reply-To: <296C8964B82E4362BF9F65775FE70CD4@s20035>
References: <D5CDE4FB180D43AB83E65F5FC8A4504B@s20035>
	<CABnTNsNAEKGg9aWDbm=0+2Qn5-Tye93Hma6B5GqjJ6JvO7OvBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<296C8964B82E4362BF9F65775FE70CD4@s20035>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOmjM6vAb5xtQo8BG4455NDR5S_NaysBrxEywEXHpwYOQ@mail.gmail.com>

The first station on channel 50 WXPO (1969-70) which is not related to the
Derry operation that signed on in 1983.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Don <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>  Not sure of how many owners (3?)  but this version of Channel 50 has been
>> on
>> for 28 years and honestly besides former weather man Al they have made
>> zero
>> impact in the market.
>>
>
> What "version" are you referring to?
>

From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 09:47:19 2011
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:47:19 -0400
Subject: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)
Message-ID: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>

Chip Morgan is now airing "goodbye" announcements, the frequency (100 watt LPFM) becoming part of the VPR chain. 

He suggests WMUD could reappear elsewhere but invites listeners to tune to sister station WCLX (102.9 Westport). They are co-located in a studio in Bridport, VT.

I wish WMUD the best. Check it out on the web while you still can. 

Bill O'Neill
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 15:03:19 2011
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:03:19 -0400
Subject: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)
In-Reply-To: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>
References: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>

> Chip Morgan is now airing "goodbye" announcements, the frequency (100
> watt LPFM) becoming part of the VPR chain.

How can an LPFM become part of a large regular non-comm group? I didn't think that was allowed. Are they signing on a larger station in the area that is not a LPFM?

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA



From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 16:01:42 2011
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:01:42 -0400
Subject: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)
In-Reply-To: <008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>
References: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>
	<008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>
Message-ID: <7ca7f979-4775-43ba-adf8-bac459de1279@email.android.com>

I will defer to the brilliant minds on this august list on that while anticipating that the current LPFM station and license will be deleted with a licensed translator to occupy a similar footprint if not moreso to the west.



How can an LPFM become part of a large regular non-comm group? I didn't think that was allowed. Are they signing on a larger station in the area that is not a LPFM?

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Oct 18 16:34:31 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:34:31 -0400
Subject: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)
In-Reply-To: <008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>
References: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>
	<008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>
Message-ID: <37fb108666e5626d32d0a6ca0742c43c.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>

I believe WMUD-LP is being displaced by the new WOXM 89.1 Middlebury, a
full-power VPR signal. Chip had also applied for 89.1 as a full-power
signal but lost out in the points system.

s

>> Chip Morgan is now airing "goodbye" announcements, the frequency (100
>> watt LPFM) becoming part of the VPR chain.
>
> How can an LPFM become part of a large regular non-comm group? I didn't
> think that was allowed. Are they signing on a larger station in the area
> that is not a LPFM?
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>
>


From billohno@gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 07:49:08 2011
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:49:08 -0400
Subject: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)
In-Reply-To: <37fb108666e5626d32d0a6ca0742c43c.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
References: <ee5ab060-ec0c-462b-9d56-f301339266da@email.android.com>
	<008601cc8dc8$9a480ad0$ced82070$@net>
	<37fb108666e5626d32d0a6ca0742c43c.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
Message-ID: <ad9a395b-f68f-4e54-86ff-c238c54e16b4@email.android.com>

Do we know the basis for the points used by the FCC? Interesting that a small stand-alone would lose to a multi-license broadcaster and then go dark. I am sure there were other factors that make sense.

Bill O'
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

_____________________________________________
From: scott@fybush.com
Sent: Tue Oct 18 16:34:31 EDT 2011
To: Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
Cc: 'Bill O'Neill' <billohno@gmail.com>, boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
Subject: RE: WMUD-LP (89.3 Moriah)


I believe WMUD-LP is being displaced by the new WOXM 89.1 Middlebury, a
full-power VPR signal. Chip had also applied for 89.1 as a full-power
signal but lost out in the points system.

s

>> Chip Morgan is now airing "goodbye" announcements, the frequency (100
>> watt LPFM) becoming part of the VPR chain.
>
> How can an LPFM become part of a large regular non-comm group? I didn't
> think that was allowed. Are they signing on a larger station in the area
> that is not a LPFM?
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Oct 18 15:49:13 2011
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:49:13 -0400
Subject: Blackstrap Selling WWZN-AM
Message-ID: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>

All-access.com reports that Peter Davidson and Katherine Drew McGhee, dba Blackstrap(ped for cash), have sold their AMs in the NYC area and Boston: WSNR-620 and WWZN-1510 respectively, to Media Americas Corporation for $23,000,000 plus liabilities. PLUS LIABILITIES? THEY'RE NOTHING BUT LIABILITIES! I can't find any information about Media Americas Corp, even on Google(tm), but the word "Americas" with plural spelling sounds suspiciously like Spanish-language or even Portugues language programming. WWZN just adopted a Jeff Santos-for-six-hours-a-day format. Could that be reduced to ZERO?

From danmurph@rcn.com  Thu Oct 20 04:04:34 2011
From: danmurph@rcn.com (Dan M)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:04:34 -0700
Subject: Norman Corwin dead at 101
Message-ID: <F8277C8ECC1644DBB6BD9994BB538AAA@DPMLENOVO>

Corwin was a Boston native who started in radio in 1932 doing news broadcasts on WBZ and WBZA.

http://tinyurl.com/3g6zjpo


From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Oct 21 00:00:36 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:00:36 -0400
Subject: Blackstrap Selling WWZN-AM
In-Reply-To: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
References: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <4EA0EE64.80303@attorneyross.com>

On 10/18/2011 3:49 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> All-access.com reports that Peter Davidson and Katherine Drew McGhee, dba Blackstrap(ped for cash), have sold their AMs in the NYC area and Boston: WSNR-620 and WWZN-1510 respectively, to Media Americas Corporation for $23,000,000 plus liabilities. PLUS LIABILITIES? THEY'RE NOTHING BUT LIABILITIES! I can't find any information about Media Americas Corp, even on Google(tm), but the word "Americas" with plural spelling sounds suspiciously like Spanish-language or even Portugues language programming. WWZN just adopted a Jeff Santos-for-six-hours-a-day format. Could that be reduced to ZERO?

Maybe he was one of the liabilities.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Oct 21 00:10:04 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:10:04 -0400
Subject: Blackstrap Selling WWZN-AM
In-Reply-To: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
References: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <FC990AD2-3FD9-4DC5-A0F4-4EFEBAD6947B@mac.com>


On Oct 18, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> All-access.com reports that Peter Davidson and Katherine Drew McGhee, dba Blackstrap(ped for cash), have sold their AMs in the NYC area and Boston: WSNR-620 and WWZN-1510 respectively, to Media Americas Corporation for $23,000,000 plus liabilities. PLUS LIABILITIES? THEY'RE NOTHING BUT LIABILITIES! I can't find any information about Media Americas Corp, even on Google(tm), but the word "Americas" with plural spelling sounds suspiciously like Spanish-language or even Portugues language programming. WWZN just adopted a Jeff Santos-for-six-hours-a-day format. Could that be reduced to ZERO?

>From what I read about this, the new owners were the managers under Blackstrap.  So it?s possible there will be little if any change in the programming.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Oct 21 01:13:15 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:13:15 -0400
Subject: Blackstrap Selling WWZN-AM
In-Reply-To: <FC990AD2-3FD9-4DC5-A0F4-4EFEBAD6947B@mac.com>
References: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
	<FC990AD2-3FD9-4DC5-A0F4-4EFEBAD6947B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4EA0FF6B.70408@donnahalper.com>

On 10/21/2011 12:10 AM, Larry Weil wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote:
>
>    
>> All-access.com reports that Peter Davidson and Katherine Drew McGhee, dba Blackstrap(ped for cash), have sold their AMs in the NYC area and Boston: WSNR-620 and WWZN-1510 respectively, to Media Americas Corporation for $23,000,000 plus liabilities. PLUS LIABILITIES? THEY'RE NOTHING BUT LIABILITIES! I can't find any information about Media Americas Corp, even on Google(tm), but the word "Americas" with plural spelling sounds suspiciously like Spanish-language or even Portugues language programming. WWZN just adopted a Jeff Santos-for-six-hours-a-day format. Could that be reduced to ZERO?
>>      

Not likely.  I think a lot of the programs on that station are paid for 
by the people who do the particular show, and the sports programming 
(left over from a previous format) also pays some of the bills. That 
said, I doubt the station is making a ton of bucks, and its previous 
formats didn't do that great either.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Oct 21 01:20:27 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:20:27 -0400
Subject: Blackstrap Selling WWZN-AM
In-Reply-To: <FC990AD2-3FD9-4DC5-A0F4-4EFEBAD6947B@mac.com>
References: <20111018194914.239610@gmx.com>
	<FC990AD2-3FD9-4DC5-A0F4-4EFEBAD6947B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4EA1011B.6080009@donnahalper.com>

On 10/21/2011 12:10 AM, Larry Weil wrote:
>> All-access.com reports that Peter Davidson and Katherine Drew McGhee, dba Blackstrap(ped for cash), have sold their AMs in the NYC area and Boston: WSNR-620 and WWZN-1510 respectively, to Media Americas Corporation for $23,000,000 plus liabilities. PLUS LIABILITIES? THEY'RE NOTHING BUT LIABILITIES! I can't find any information about Media Americas Corp, even on Google(tm), but the word "Americas" with plural spelling sounds suspiciously like Spanish-language or even Portugues language programming.
>>      

Or not.  There's a Media Americas that's an Advertising Agency with 
offices in NY and Boston, but I don't know if that's the same bunch of 
folks.

From gary@garysicecream.com  Sun Oct 23 00:47:31 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 00:47:31 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to Fitchburg???????
Message-ID: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>

>From todays Lowell Sun...

 

WQPH -- the call letters stand for Queen of Perpetual Help -- will be based
in the rectory of the former Madonna of the Holy Rosary Parish, according to
Reynolds. The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
Clinton and parts of Townsend

 

Link to article:  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19167710



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Oct 23 01:40:11 2011
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:40:11 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <4EA3A8BB.9090406@server4.gabrielmass.com>

Here's the proposed coverage map:
http://prayersforlife.org/coverage-map/

--RC


On 10/23/2011 12:47 AM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
>  From todays Lowell Sun...
>
>
>
> WQPH -- the call letters stand for Queen of Perpetual Help -- will be based
> in the rectory of the former Madonna of the Holy Rosary Parish, according to
> Reynolds. The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
> talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
> Clinton and parts of Townsend
>
>
>
> Link to article:  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19167710
>
>


From TVNETDUDE@aol.com  Sun Oct 23 13:12:12 2011
From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:12:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg??????? 
Message-ID: <911c4.63a81c29.3bd5a4ec@aol.com>

The problems a single "0" can cause.
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2011 12:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:

>>>The 500-megawatt station<<< 

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 13:37:19 2011
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:37:19 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <911c4.63a81c29.3bd5a4ec@aol.com>
References: <911c4.63a81c29.3bd5a4ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8ODqFdgbXfeFbUjaamjnKhV+GgqTpzBYUmPP4ZUR5AgEw@mail.gmail.com>

WMWM must be 130 megawatts, then :)

--Bob Nelson

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM,  <TVNETDUDE@aol.com> wrote:
> The problems a single "0" can cause.
>
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 10/23/2011 12:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes:
>
>>>>The 500-megawatt station<<<
>

From ewerme@comcast.net  Sun Oct 23 13:12:44 2011
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
Message-ID: <20111023171244.BE9916D55B@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>


>From todays Lowell Sun...

> The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
> talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
> Clinton and parts of Townsend

>From the coverage map perhaps they'll be broadcasting from _beneath_ the
nuclear power plant.  I wonder how they'll decorate the cooling tower.

Even HAARP only transmits at 3.6 Mw, see
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html

I don't know if there are more powerful stations or what the most powerful
voice/music station is.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 13:51:20 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:51:20 -0500
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <20111023171244.BE9916D55B@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20111023171244.BE9916D55B@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1YTEvJD=T+W71manrQTG4pDs28cx_FYKuubSuCSG4Owg@mail.gmail.com>

WMC-FM Memphis, TN at 99.7 is 290,000 Watts at 900+ feet

There's an FM in Michigan somewhere I think that is 325KW at about the same
height.

Paul



On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ric Werme <ewerme@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> >From todays Lowell Sun...
>
> > The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
> > talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
> > Clinton and parts of Townsend
>
> From the coverage map perhaps they'll be broadcasting from _beneath_ the
> nuclear power plant.  I wonder how they'll decorate the cooling tower.
>
> Even HAARP only transmits at 3.6 Mw, see
> http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html
>
> I don't know if there are more powerful stations or what the most powerful
> voice/music station is.
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 14:19:25 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:19:25 -0500
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <988072974.759.1319393716811.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
References: <CADC3Yg1YTEvJD=T+W71manrQTG4pDs28cx_FYKuubSuCSG4Owg@mail.gmail.com>
	<988072974.759.1319393716811.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1e9G7pecfq2a-YhMh+_R1J+GV4BJkN=b1LiwY5VmRDTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Blaine, I couldn't remember what station it was and did a little
looking, but couldn't figure it out.

Paul



On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Blaine Thompson <irw@well.com> wrote:

> Paul Walker hypothesized:
>
> > There's an FM in Michigan somewhere I think that is 325KW at about the
> same height.
>
> Indeed.  WBCT 93.7FM, Grand Rapids, Michigan.  A Class B with 320kW at 238
> meters.
>
> - Blaine
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 23 13:48:08 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:48:08 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <042F481BCB3142578FDCE98510585236@SatU205S5044>

500 Megawatts, huh? I don't care what band they are on, 500 MW would
reach a lot further than Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
Clinton and parts of Townsend--even if nobody there has a radio that
is designed to pick it up. Never mind picking it up on your fillings,
I suspect that there could be cases of _people_ actually glowing--that
is, until the money to keep the transmitter on the air ran out. How
many hours would THAT take?

If we get past the errors and hyperbole, is this supposed to be the
non-comm Godcaster whose application was considered mutually
exclusive with WAVM's but was eventually granted a CP for a highly
directional low-power station licensed to (I think) Lunenburg on (I
think) 91.7?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
Fitchburg???????


> From todays Lowell Sun...
>
>
>
> WQPH -- the call letters stand for Queen of Perpetual Help -- will
> be based
> in the rectory of the former Madonna of the Holy Rosary Parish,
> according to
> Reynolds. The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music,
> prayers and
> talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster,
> Shirley,
> Clinton and parts of Townsend
>
>
>
> Link to article:  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19167710
>
>


From irw@well.com  Sun Oct 23 14:15:16 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg1YTEvJD=T+W71manrQTG4pDs28cx_FYKuubSuCSG4Owg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <988072974.759.1319393716811.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

Paul Walker hypothesized:

> There's an FM in Michigan somewhere I think that is 325KW at about the same height.

Indeed.  WBCT 93.7FM, Grand Rapids, Michigan.  A Class B with 320kW at 238 meters.

- Blaine


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Oct 23 11:34:45 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:34:45 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>

From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>


> From todays Lowell Sun...
> 
> The 500-megawatt station will transmit 


What exactly is "500-megawatts""?

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 23 18:15:25 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:15:25 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
Message-ID: <E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>

Presumably, the effective radiated power, 500 megawatts (500 MW),
which is the same thing as 500 million watts. A full class B FM
operating at the Class maximum HAAT (height above average terrain) of
150m (150 meters or 492 ft) is allowed an ERP (effective radiated
power) of 50,000 watts (50 kilowatts or 50 kW). If the HAAT exceeds
492' (many stations are grandfathered to 500'), the ERP must be
reduced approximately in proportion to the ratio of the square of the
HAAT divided by the square of 492'. Thus, if the actual HAAT is 984'
(2 x 492'), the allowed ERP would be reduced to approximately 1/2
squared or 1/4 of 50 kW (that is 12.5 kW). 500 MW is 10,000 times 50
kW. Back in the days of analog TV, some UHF (Ultra-High-Frequency) TV
stations operated at ERPs as high as 5 MW. That is the highest power I
have ever heard of for a broadcasting station of any type in the US.
500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don" <Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>; "Boston radio e-mail
list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????


> From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
>
>
>> From todays Lowell Sun...
>>
>> The 500-megawatt station will transmit
>
>
> What exactly is "500-megawatts""?


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Oct 23 22:09:14 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:09:14 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>

On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Presumably, the effective radiated power, 500 megawatts (500 MW),
> which is the same thing as 500 million watts. A full class B FM
> operating at the Class maximum HAAT (height above average terrain) of
> 150m (150 meters or 492 ft) is allowed an ERP (effective radiated
> power) of 50,000 watts (50 kilowatts or 50 kW). If the HAAT exceeds
> 492' (many stations are grandfathered to 500'), the ERP must be
> reduced approximately in proportion to the ratio of the square of the
> HAAT divided by the square of 492'. Thus, if the actual HAAT is 984'
> (2 x 492'), the allowed ERP would be reduced to approximately 1/2
> squared or 1/4 of 50 kW (that is 12.5 kW). 500 MW is 10,000 times 50
> kW. Back in the days of analog TV, some UHF (Ultra-High-Frequency) TV
> stations operated at ERPs as high as 5 MW. That is the highest power I
> have ever heard of for a broadcasting station of any type in the US.
> 500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.

Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 23 23:26:56 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:26:56 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <81AF2EC54A3242E89A0443708B002B1D@SatU205S5044>

That they meant 500 milliwatts is a real possibility, but a more 
likely one, I think, is that they meant 500W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming 
toFitchburg???????

> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)

> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com
> 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 00:10:32 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:10:32 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <81AF2EC54A3242E89A0443708B002B1D@SatU205S5044>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
	<81AF2EC54A3242E89A0443708B002B1D@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsPhZs_Y26bWNWOhZXswWx2KyXyrmNmPdbqWsGMwrpZOTA@mail.gmail.com>

510 watts

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=WQPH&x=12&y=9&sr=Y&s=C

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> That they meant 500 milliwatts is a real possibility, but a more likely one,
> I think, is that they meant 500W.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
>
>> --
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468
>> 92 State Street, Suite 700 ? ? ? ? ?Fax: 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004 ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>
>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 00:12:26 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:12:26 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsPhZs_Y26bWNWOhZXswWx2KyXyrmNmPdbqWsGMwrpZOTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
	<81AF2EC54A3242E89A0443708B002B1D@SatU205S5044>
	<CABnTNsPhZs_Y26bWNWOhZXswWx2KyXyrmNmPdbqWsGMwrpZOTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsMunesVG0R4316RCptq8ZXhbO=-TE9JosgcZsc0giEjHA@mail.gmail.com>

BTW just curious - does any other FM station beat WHOM for total coverage area?


http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WHOM&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct 23 23:28:23 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:28:23 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>

On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

>> 500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
>
> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)

It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a 
CP, granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.

File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move 
on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."

s




From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 00:37:59 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:37:59 -0500
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com> <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>

91.7?

Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.

Am I missing something here?



On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>
>
>  500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
>>
>
> It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a CP,
> granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.
>
> File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move
> on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."
>
> s
>
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct 24 00:38:33 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:38:33 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EA4EBC9.2010601@fybush.com>

On 10/24/2011 12:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> 91.7?
>
> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>

Nope - brainfart on my end. Yes, it should be 89.3.


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 00:40:23 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:40:23 -0500
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA4EBC9.2010601@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com> <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EA4EBC9.2010601@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1iJ6WJ02dZCFLRfo6PdceumA4zmbsvqq49KrKQT=9K+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Someone, I think Dan Strassberg, earlier in this thread, made the incorrect
assumption that this was the Lunenburg CP that was granted after the fight
with WAVM.



On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> On 10/24/2011 12:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>
>> 91.7?
>>
>> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>>
>>
> Nope - brainfart on my end. Yes, it should be 89.3.
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct 24 09:51:10 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:51:10 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com><CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com><4EA4EBC9.2010601@fybush.com>
	<CADC3Yg1iJ6WJ02dZCFLRfo6PdceumA4zmbsvqq49KrKQT=9K+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08D66E7BABF24815A94E2E2B84BCCBC9@SatU205S5044>

Yes, I did think it was Lunenburg, but I believe I said I wasn't sure.
Didn't the licensee originally apply for Lunenburg and aren't
Lunenburg and Shirley in close proximity to each other?
Somewhere out Route 2 in the general vicinity of Fitchburg and
Leominster, right? And don't remind me that I could have looked it up
in Google Maps or probably a dozen other sites. I know that, just as I
also knew that 500 megawatts was either a joke or somebody's error. As
for my long post on the meaning of megawatts, I wrote that because
somebody appeared to seriously be asking what the term megawatt meant.
I'm sure the definition of megawatt appears on the Web in at least a
dozen places. But answering the question with "you can look it up"
just didn't seem in the spirit of the list. If we are all going to
react harshly when somebody asks a question for which answers are
available elsewhere on the Web, lists like this one are doomed.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????


> Someone, I think Dan Strassberg, earlier in this thread, made the
> incorrect
> assumption that this was the Lunenburg CP that was granted after the
> fight
> with WAVM.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2011 12:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> 91.7?
>>>
>>> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something here?
>>>
>>>
>> Nope - brainfart on my end. Yes, it should be 89.3.
>>
>>


From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Mon Oct 24 05:05:50 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:05:50 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>

If this information is correct it looks like a 580 watt station at 89.3

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101

The FCC agrees.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming 
toFitchburg???????


> 91.7?
>
> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
>>>
>>
>> It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a 
>> CP,
>> granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.
>>
>> File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move
>> on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."
>>
>> s
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


From brscomm@yahoo.com  Mon Oct 24 15:56:01 2011
From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <08D66E7BABF24815A94E2E2B84BCCBC9@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <1319486161.30959.YahooMailClassic@web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Shirley and Lunenburg do touch along Rt 2A. Lunenburg is kind of pushed up against Leominster and Fitchburg along Rt 2 south of 2A a couple of miles.

--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:


From: Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>, "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 8:51 AM


Yes, I did think it was Lunenburg, but I believe I said I wasn't sure.
Didn't the licensee originally apply for Lunenburg and aren't
Lunenburg and Shirley in close proximity to each other?
Somewhere out Route 2 in the general vicinity of Fitchburg and
Leominster, right? And don't remind me that I could have looked it up
in Google Maps or probably a dozen other sites. I know that, just as I
also knew that 500 megawatts was either a joke or somebody's error. As
for my long post on the meaning of megawatts, I wrote that because
somebody appeared to seriously be asking what the term megawatt meant.
I'm sure the definition of megawatt appears on the Web in at least a
dozen places. But answering the question with "you can look it up"
just didn't seem in the spirit of the list. If we are all going to
react harshly when somebody asks a question for which answers are
available elsewhere on the Web, lists like this one are doomed.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????


> Someone, I think Dan Strassberg, earlier in this thread, made the
> incorrect
> assumption that this was the Lunenburg CP that was granted after the
> fight
> with WAVM.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2011 12:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> 91.7?
>>>
>>> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something here?
>>>
>>>
>> Nope - brainfart on my end. Yes, it should be 89.3.
>>
>>


From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Oct 24 16:50:03 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:50:03 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>
Message-ID: <04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>

Another article appeared in todays Lowell Sun (a longer article than is on
the website)...they still insist on 500 megawatts....either the reporter is
a complete idiot or they are expecting Divine Intervention.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Ted Larsen
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:06 AM
To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Scott Fybush
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????

If this information is correct it looks like a 580 watt station at 89.3

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=App
l&sAppIDNumber=1444101

The FCC agrees.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Appl
ication_id=1444101


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming 
toFitchburg???????


> 91.7?
>
> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
>>>
>>
>> It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a 
>> CP,
>> granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.
>>
>> File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move
>> on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."
>>
>> s
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 



From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct 24 19:03:59 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:03:59 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
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	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
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On 10/24/2011 4:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> Another article appeared in todays Lowell Sun (a longer article than is on
> the website)...they still insist on 500 megawatts....either the reporter is
> a complete idiot or they are expecting Divine Intervention.
>

I don't buy into the "complete idiot" theory. I've been that "complete 
idiot" on other stories. It would be great to think that a 
general-assignment reporter can learn everything there is to know about 
every subject area he or she might cover in the course of a day, and it 
would be even greater to think that there are still well-staffed copy 
desks and editors to backstop a reporter who's on unfamiliar terrain.

But the reality these days is that the reporter who wrote this story was 
probably writing three or four or six other stories on completely 
different topics that day - and very likely shooting and editing video 
to go with several of those.

We can call her (him?) a "complete idiot" - but has anyone bothered to 
reach out to the reporter or editor involved and gently, concisely 
explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is 
measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?

As a general-assignment reporter, I've always appreciated getting 
clarifications about stories in which I've gotten details wrong. I 
haven't always appreciated being called a "complete idiot," especially 
when the fault really lies with extreme cost-cutting at the corporate 
level more than with any individual reporter.

s

From Jibguy@aol.com  Mon Oct 24 19:11:05 2011
From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
Message-ID: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>

In 2009,  the "Coastal Journal" did a 2-page story on WJTO, describing  it 
as a 1,000 MegaWatt station. Just yesterday, I sent the Lowell Sun story to  
the writer (of WJTO article), and she laughed her a** off.
 
----BB

From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Mon Oct 24 17:08:27 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:08:27 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
Message-ID: <908A04B8FAE743008EF2C92164C128E1@YOURbcbbe822ed>

They are sticking by their story. I'm going to write the editor.

The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk 
shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and 
parts of Townsend, she said.

http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: "'Ted Larsen'" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com>
Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: Most powerful radio station in the world coming 
toFitchburg???????


> Another article appeared in todays Lowell Sun (a longer article than is on
> the website)...they still insist on 500 megawatts....either the reporter 
> is
> a complete idiot or they are expecting Divine Intervention.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Ted Larsen
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:06 AM
> To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Scott Fybush
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
> If this information is correct it looks like a 580 watt station at 89.3
>
> http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=App
> l&sAppIDNumber=1444101
>
> The FCC agrees.
>
> http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Appl
> ication_id=1444101
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
> Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
>
>> 91.7?
>>
>> Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>  500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a
>>> CP,
>>> granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.
>>>
>>> File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move
>>> on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."
>>>
>>> s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 


From mariogonz@aol.com  Mon Oct 24 19:23:45 2011
From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:23:45 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>

I'm curious about stations that on the air proclaim themselves as the 
most powerful station in the world.  X96.3 (WXNY-FM) in New York says 
the following in Spanish at the top of each hour.  "From the top (point) 
of the Empire State Building with the most powerful signal in the world. 
this is X96.3 ...."  I laugh every time I hear this proclamation!

I see that WHOM says that they have the largest FM coverage in USA on 
their website.

Are there any other claims by radio stations of the most powerful 
station, etc.?

Mario

From irw@well.com  Mon Oct 24 19:29:32 2011
From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <857872788.5305.1319498972137.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com>

Scott Fybush asked:

> gently, concisely explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?

I agree with Scott that each day, GA reporters are pulled multiple directions for stories and usually have no substantive broadcasting knowledge, at least to our depth :-)

By day, and sometimes at night, I'm an airline geek.  You'd be amazed at that group: When describing airlines, airline mishaps, airports, etc., journalists often misuse one word [constantly!] and there's one member of our group that - again constantly! - e-mails each reporter to say "Hey that's not the right word!"  Before you ask, I've no idea what tone he takes with these reporters.

I'm glad someone (politely?) reached out to this reporter and/or their editor.

- Blaine


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 18:35:07 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:35:07 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com> <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
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	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
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In fairness to the reporter it is most likely what the station rep told
them.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>wrote:

> Another article appeared in todays Lowell Sun (a longer article than is on
> the website)...they still insist on 500 megawatts....either the reporter is
> a complete idiot or they are expecting Divine Intervention.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Ted Larsen
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:06 AM
> To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Scott Fybush
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
> If this information is correct it looks like a 580 watt station at 89.3
>
>
> http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=App
> l&sAppIDNumber=1444101
>
> The FCC agrees.
>
>
> http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Appl
> ication_id=1444101
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
> Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
>
> > 91.7?
> >
> > Their own website and FCCINFO.Com list the frequency as 89.3.
> >
> > Am I missing something here?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/23/2011 10:09 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/23/2011 6:15 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >>  500 mW is 100 times 5 MW.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe it's really 500 milliwats. :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's not like we can't check the FCC database. WQPH (91.7 Shirley) is a
> >> CP,
> >> granted in August 2010...for 510 WATTS ERP.
> >>
> >> File this one under "another overworked newspaper reporter" and move
> >> on...it's neither "500 megawatts" nor "500 milliwatts."
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct 24 19:43:32 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:43:32 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <04f501cc92a5$fbf924d0$f3eb6e70$@com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
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On 10/24/2011 7:38 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> She actually is a correspondent for the Sun's Fitchburg paper, The Sentinel
> and Enterprise (also owned by MediaNews, Lowell Suns parent company). All
> the MediaNews papers now share stories.....spreading inaccuracies across New
> England.

I don't believe she's a fulltimer there, either - she doesn't appear on 
their staff list.

I've e-mailed the Sun's editor, James Campanini. We'll see if I get a 
response.

s

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Mon Oct 24 19:46:15 2011
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:46:15 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5F824.8020408@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
	<4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com> <04f301cc92a2$9555d7d0$c0018770$@com>
	<4EA5F3F7.5010207@fybush.com> <04f501cc92a5$fbf924d0$f3eb6e70$@com>
	<4EA5F824.8020408@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4EA5F8C7.1060700@server4.gabrielmass.com>

On 10/24/2011 07:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote:
>
> I've e-mailed the Sun's editor, James Campanini. We'll see if I get a 
> response.
>


And I've posted a note to the station staff through their web site 
urging them to give the reporter a correction.

--RC


From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Oct 24 19:38:07 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:38:07 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5F3F7.5010207@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
	<4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com> <04f301cc92a2$9555d7d0$c0018770$@com>
	<4EA5F3F7.5010207@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <04f501cc92a5$fbf924d0$f3eb6e70$@com>

She actually is a correspondent for the Sun's Fitchburg paper, The Sentinel
and Enterprise (also owned by MediaNews, Lowell Suns parent company). All
the MediaNews papers now share stories.....spreading inaccuracies across New
England.


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Fybush [mailto:scott@fybush.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:26 PM
To: Gary's Ice Cream
Cc: Boston radio e-mail list
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????

On 10/24/2011 7:13 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> Yes.....I called her editor and I e-mailed her yesterday.  She said the
> station absolutely told her it was going to be 500 megawatts. She was
rather
> arrogant about the fact that anyone would question her reporting.

That's unfortunate.

 From what little I can find on the Sun website, she doesn't seem to be 
a full-time staff reporter there; I can find only a handful of stories, 
none earlier than August, with her byline.

What did her editor say? Even if a freelancer isn't as concerned as she 
should be about getting things right, an editor certainly should be.

s


From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 19:46:37 2011
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com))
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:46:37 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com> <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
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On 10/24/2011 7:03 PM, Scott Fybush wrote:
> We can call her (him?) a "complete idiot" - but has anyone bothered to 
> reach out to the reporter or editor involved and gently, concisely 
> explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is 
> measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?
>

You nailed it, Scott.

b -

From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Oct 24 19:13:46 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:13:46 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
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Yes.....I called her editor and I e-mailed her yesterday.  She said the
station absolutely told her it was going to be 500 megawatts. She was rather
arrogant about the fact that anyone would question her reporting.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Scott Fybush
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:04 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????

On 10/24/2011 4:50 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> Another article appeared in todays Lowell Sun (a longer article than is on
> the website)...they still insist on 500 megawatts....either the reporter
is
> a complete idiot or they are expecting Divine Intervention.
>

I don't buy into the "complete idiot" theory. I've been that "complete 
idiot" on other stories. It would be great to think that a 
general-assignment reporter can learn everything there is to know about 
every subject area he or she might cover in the course of a day, and it 
would be even greater to think that there are still well-staffed copy 
desks and editors to backstop a reporter who's on unfamiliar terrain.

But the reality these days is that the reporter who wrote this story was 
probably writing three or four or six other stories on completely 
different topics that day - and very likely shooting and editing video 
to go with several of those.

We can call her (him?) a "complete idiot" - but has anyone bothered to 
reach out to the reporter or editor involved and gently, concisely 
explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is 
measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?

As a general-assignment reporter, I've always appreciated getting 
clarifications about stories in which I've gotten details wrong. I 
haven't always appreciated being called a "complete idiot," especially 
when the fault really lies with extreme cost-cutting at the corporate 
level more than with any individual reporter.

s


From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Oct 24 19:14:17 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:14:17 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>
Message-ID: <04f401cc92a2$a8048ed0$f80dac70$@com>

Wow Bob....you're even more powerful than the church!

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Jibguy@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:11 PM
To: scott@fybush.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????

In 2009,  the "Coastal Journal" did a 2-page story on WJTO, describing  it 
as a 1,000 MegaWatt station. Just yesterday, I sent the Lowell Sun story to

the writer (of WJTO article), and she laughed her a** off.
 
----BB


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Oct 24 20:01:15 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:01:15 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
	<2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035>
	<E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044>
	<4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com> <4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>
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<<On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:03:59 -0400, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> We can call her (him?) a "complete idiot" - but has anyone bothered to 
> reach out to the reporter or editor involved and gently, concisely 
> explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is 
> measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?

I don't think they even needed to go that far.  The copyeditor (if
they even still have them at the /Sun/) should have been sufficiently
numerate to notice that 500 MW was simply implausible (if for no other
reason than having edited stories about how Pilgrim generates 685 MW
of power).

So no, don't blame the reporter, blame the War on Editing.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct 24 19:25:43 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:25:43 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <04f301cc92a2$9555d7d0$c0018770$@com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>
	<4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com> <04f301cc92a2$9555d7d0$c0018770$@com>
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On 10/24/2011 7:13 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
> Yes.....I called her editor and I e-mailed her yesterday.  She said the
> station absolutely told her it was going to be 500 megawatts. She was rather
> arrogant about the fact that anyone would question her reporting.

That's unfortunate.

 From what little I can find on the Sun website, she doesn't seem to be 
a full-time staff reporter there; I can find only a handful of stories, 
none earlier than August, with her byline.

What did her editor say? Even if a freelancer isn't as concerned as she 
should be about getting things right, an editor certainly should be.

s

From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 20:05:22 2011
From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:05:22 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>
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	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>,
	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com>, <4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
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> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:03:59 -0400
> From: scott@fybush.com
> 
> We can... concisely explain that whatever the press release might have said, FM power is 
> measured in "watts" and not "megawatts"?

Trying to beat Bill O to the punch(line)... couldn't the La Mega outlets claim to be broadcasting in Mega-watts? ;-)

Mike

 		 	   		  

From markwa1ion@aol.com  Mon Oct 24 20:44:25 2011
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2211.1319500013.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.2211.1319500013.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <8CE60C661382248-10E4-4928A@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>

Certainly one of the most powerful AM stations in the world is the one 
on 1521 kHz located at Duba, Saudi Arabia.

It runs 2 megawatts (equivalent to 40 WBZ's) from a site on the shore 
of the Red Sea.

Around sunset it can often be heard at coastal sites in eastern 
Massachusetts.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA + Billerica, MA


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct 24 20:31:02 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:31:02 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com><2D3DCA456241456EB3438B5FEA280925@s20035><E66AA2A48C03499BBAF6AAEC44DC373B@SatU205S5044><4EA4C8CA.3090200@attorneyross.com>	<4EA4DB57.30302@fybush.com>	<CADC3Yg3tbROSiu4OE0fgD5VZV2=b0YOeUtTzo8dFTxeeC9dv2A@mail.gmail.com>	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<04de01cc928e$816bf8d0$8443ea70$@com><4EA5EEDF.50402@fybush.com>
	<04f301cc92a2$9555d7d0$c0018770$@com>
Message-ID: <0C3709333C724135AA8E8779CEADDB54@SatU205S5044>

She apparently hasn't learned that, when you report on enterprises or
organizations, they tend to exaggerate and therefore, you should not
accept what they tell you at face value. You have a responsibility to
the readers to fact check the material the enterprise or organization
on whose activities or products you are reporting has provided to you.
In all probability, though, she has no time to check any facts. Also,
it is disconcerting to be corrected by a reader, but getting huffy
about being corrected is inappropriate. If she doesn't learn to tame
her propensity toward huffiness, she won't last very long.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: "'Scott Fybush'" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????


> Yes.....I called her editor and I e-mailed her yesterday.  She said
> the
> station absolutely told her it was going to be 500 megawatts. She
> was rather
> arrogant about the fact that anyone would question her reporting.
>
>


From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Mon Oct 24 20:53:28 2011
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:53:28 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <20133.64587.485653.100561@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <035101cc913e$e0c309a0$a2491ce0$@com>
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	<3E08CAE2B0B7433DB4ADD1F3C2D812D5@YOURbcbbe822ed>
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	<20133.64587.485653.100561@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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At 08:01 PM 10/24/2011, Garrett Wollman wrote:

>The copyeditor (if they even still have them at the /Sun/)

Many newspapers no longer have copy editors, and depend upon the 
spelling/grammar checkers in word processors to catch errors - and 
those are still not all that reliable. My local paper prints errors 
every day that a 12-year-old would have caught when I was in junior 
high (but which today's 12-year-olds would probably not catch).

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 


From dave@skywaves.net  Mon Oct 24 21:52:57 2011
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:52:57 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
Message-ID: <859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>

To determine the "biggest" FM station, you have to include the effects of 
effective radiated power and antenna height above average terrain (ERP in kW 
@ HAAT in meters).

The FCC uses the concept "reference distance" which is the result of a 
calculation that takes both parameters and produces a distance to the 60 dBu 
contour.

Based on the reference distance, the North American FM coverage winner is 
KVYB in Santa Barbara. 105 kW @ 905 m produces a 60 dBu reference distance 
of 103.9 km.

By contrast, WXNY is a mere 6 kW @ 415 m. The reference distance is only 
52.3 km, about half that of KVYB.  On the same mast at 4TS, three stations 
(WQHT, WPLJ, and WCBS-FM) are operating with 6.7 kW @ 408 m, generating a 60 
dBu reference distance of 52.9 km, slightly greater than that of WXNY.

Based on raw power, not only is WXNY not even remotely the most powerful 
station in the world, there are 6,169 FM stations in the US with more power, 
and 471 more in Canada and Mexico.

All told, there are 28 FM stations in North America with greater than 100 kW 
ERP.

The most powerful FM station in North America is 380 kW CFPLFM in London, 
ON. With an antenna height of 270 m AAT, the reference distance is 83.3 km. 
Height matters, and they don't have anywhere near as much as KVYB.

The highest common site in North America is Sandia Crest, serving the 
Albuquerque and Santa Fe area. The stations there are about 1260 m AAT , 
with 60 dBu reference distances around 92 km for the Class C stations that 
are derated from 100 kW to around 20 kW based on the height.

WHOM on Mt Washington has 48 kW @ 1141 m AAT.  The 60 dBu reference distance 
is 99.9 km.

The most powerful US station is WBCT in Grand Rapids with 320 kW at 238 m 
AAT, for a 60 dBu reference distance of 78.7 km.

Now if you're talking population, any station in NY or LA has an edge, but 
with other stations on 4TS having larger reference distances, WXNY doesn't 
even win that battle.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mario Gonzalez Jr.
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:23 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming 
toFitchburg???????


I'm curious about stations that on the air proclaim themselves as the
most powerful station in the world.  X96.3 (WXNY-FM) in New York says
the following in Spanish at the top of each hour.  "From the top (point)
of the Empire State Building with the most powerful signal in the world.
this is X96.3 ...."  I laugh every time I hear this proclamation!

I see that WHOM says that they have the largest FM coverage in USA on
their website.

Are there any other claims by radio stations of the most powerful
station, etc.?

Mario



From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Mon Oct 24 22:36:17 2011
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:36:17 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
	<859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
Message-ID: <003601cc92be$dfbf75d0$9f3e6170$@net>

> Now if you're talking population, any station in NY or LA has an edge,
> but
> with other stations on 4TS having larger reference distances, WXNY
> doesn't
> even win that battle.

WXNY and most other NYC stations operate from the Empire State Building, not
4 Times Square. That is mainly just a backup site, with only 91.5 WNYE
having their main there.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Mon Oct 24 22:54:44 2011
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:54:44 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
	<859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
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>
>
> The highest common site in North America is Sandia Crest, serving the
> Albuquerque and Santa Fe area. The stations there are about 1260 m AAT ,
> with 60 dBu reference distances around 92 km for the Class C stations that
> are derated from 100 kW to around 20 kW based on the height.
>

The site looks something like this:  http://www.demattia.net/100_0176.jpg

Albuquerque, population about 500,000 people looks something like this from
the site.  If you look carefully, you
can see the downtown area buildings in the center of the photo:
http://www.demattia.net/100_0180.jpg


-Bob

From bob.bosra@demattia.net  Mon Oct 24 22:59:52 2011
From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:59:52 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CAMQUtR8eT6cCCxHXYCskN+beUy6HH9NxCu-Mu4HVXH_iZOtksg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
	<859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
	<CAMQUtR8eT6cCCxHXYCskN+beUy6HH9NxCu-Mu4HVXH_iZOtksg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMQUtR_XGpT9FWA39o=uUtwxGU3n9Yy0DAMv47eBaAMO4U5zwA@mail.gmail.com>

Sandia Crest elevation is 10,678 feet (which sounds much more impressive
than 3254.65 meters).
You can drive to the top in an ordinary street vehicle.


-Bob


On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Bob DeMattia <bob.bosra@demattia.net>wrote:

>
>> The highest common site in North America is Sandia Crest, serving the
>> Albuquerque and Santa Fe area. The stations there are about 1260 m AAT ,
>> with 60 dBu reference distances around 92 km for the Class C stations that
>> are derated from 100 kW to around 20 kW based on the height.
>>
>
> The site looks something like this:  http://www.demattia.net/100_0176.jpg
>
> Albuquerque, population about 500,000 people looks something like this from
> the site.  If you look carefully, you
> can see the downtown area buildings in the center of the photo:
> http://www.demattia.net/100_0180.jpg
>
>
> -Bob
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 25 00:23:25 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:23:25 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <8CE60C661382248-10E4-4928A@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.2211.1319500013.59911.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
	<8CE60C661382248-10E4-4928A@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EA639BD.8020000@attorneyross.com>

On 10/24/2011 8:44 PM, Mark Connelly wrote:

> Certainly one of the most powerful AM stations in the world is the one 
> on 1521 kHz located at Duba, Saudi Arabia.
>
> It runs 2 megawatts (equivalent to 40 WBZ's) from a site on the shore 
> of the Red Sea.

So THAT'S how we all got through on dry land! :-)

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Oct 25 05:01:54 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:01:54 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
Message-ID: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>

I sent this to Kris Pisarik one of the Managing Editors at the Sun. His reply is at the top.I agree with Scott and the others who say reporters are being yanked in all directions and can't be expected to know technical details on thousands of subjects.

Let's face it gang, we do talk a language all our own.

TL

----- Original Message -----
From: Kristopher Pisarik
To: Ted Larsen
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg 
So it should say the 580-watt  station?


On 10/24/11 6:56 PM, "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com> wrote:
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Larsen <mailto:tlmedia@triad.rr.com>  
  To: kpisarik@lowellsun.com ; tzuppa@lowellsun.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:54 PM
  Subject: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg

  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000 watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
   
  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
   
  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
   
  Official FCC filing data
   
  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000 watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
   
  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
   
  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
   
  Official FCC filing data
   
  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000 watts.

http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
 
"The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

Here is some useful engineering data

WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
 
http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
 
Official FCC filing data
 
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

Thanks for your time and attention
Ted Larsen
Ex-WBZ Radio News
Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA

From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Oct 25 07:33:59 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:59 -0400
Subject: Lowell Sun Prints A WQPH Correction
Message-ID: <C63927EEFD0D4E90A12864945F6B5DA5@YOURbcbbe822ed>


They got "power supply" confused with "output power," but that's OK
Correction
The Lowell Sun

WQPH in Fitchburg is a 580-watt radio station. An article in Monday's Sun reported an incorrect power supply for the station.

http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_19188141?IADID=Search-www.lowellsun.com-www.lowellsun.com

From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Oct 25 07:33:59 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:59 -0400
Subject: Lowell Sun Prints A WQPH Correction
Message-ID: <C63927EEFD0D4E90A12864945F6B5DA5@YOURbcbbe822ed>


They got "power supply" confused with "output power," but that's OK
Correction
The Lowell Sun

WQPH in Fitchburg is a 580-watt radio station. An article in Monday's Sun reported an incorrect power supply for the station.

http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_19188141?IADID=Search-www.lowellsun.com-www.lowellsun.com

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 25 07:55:26 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:55:26 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
	<859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
Message-ID: <F7282950E4A54AB28EABA9839F8AF9D5@SatU205S5044>

But having a station in Santa Barbara at or near the top of the list
occurs because the criteria you are using do not include coverage
"lost" over open water. All other such criteria that I am aware of for
broadcast stations take this lost coverage into account--that is, the
area of open water within the specified contour (60 dBu in this case)
is subtacted from the total area enclosed within the specified
contour. Not subtracting the open-water coverage gives the edge to
stations along the west coast. Subtracting open water would, I
believe, give the edge to WHOM, which loses no coverage--or
essentiallty no coverage--over open water. Remember, we're talking
about coverage area--not population--so sparsely populated or totally
unpopulated land area is NOT subtracted from coverage area.

On AM, I believe that, thanks to high power, an (electrically) better
than half-wave antenna, good soil conductivity, and a low dial
position, KFI would win were it not for subtraction of open-water
coverage. But on AM, AFAIK, open water has always been subtracted,
hence the wins go to KFYR and WNAX even though neither runs 50 kW.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Doherty" <dave@skywaves.net>
To: "Mario Gonzalez Jr." <mariogonz@aol.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
toFitchburg???????


> To determine the "biggest" FM station, you have to include the
> effects of effective radiated power and antenna height above average
> terrain (ERP in kW @ HAAT in meters).


From tlmedia@triad.rr.com  Tue Oct 25 05:01:54 2011
From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:01:54 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
Message-ID: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>

I sent this to Kris Pisarik one of the Managing Editors at the Sun. His reply is at the top.I agree with Scott and the others who say reporters are being yanked in all directions and can't be expected to know technical details on thousands of subjects.

Let's face it gang, we do talk a language all our own.

TL

----- Original Message -----
From: Kristopher Pisarik
To: Ted Larsen
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg 
So it should say the 580-watt  station?


On 10/24/11 6:56 PM, "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com> wrote:
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Larsen <mailto:tlmedia@triad.rr.com>  
  To: kpisarik@lowellsun.com ; tzuppa@lowellsun.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:54 PM
  Subject: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg

  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000 watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
   
  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
   
  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
   
  Official FCC filing data
   
  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000 watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
   
  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
   
  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
   
  Official FCC filing data
   
  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000 watts.

http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249 <http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249> 
 
"The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley, Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and 100,000 for AM stations

Here is some useful engineering data

WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts
 
http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101 <http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101> 
 
Official FCC filing data
 
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

Thanks for your time and attention
Ted Larsen
Ex-WBZ Radio News
Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 25 08:44:28 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:44:28 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
Message-ID: <648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>

Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group from
which non-members are excluded. If this need were not so pronounced, I
doubt that the world would still have hundreds, if not thousands, of
written and spoken languages. Very likely, there are tens of thousands
of vocation-specific languages, most of which exist in
nationality-specific variants. But I have to believe that this
nonsense would disappear were it not so deeply embedded in our DNA. I
can't see a rational reason for its continued existence. If it ever
did disappear, the world would be a dramatically different--and
presumably, more peaceful--place! OTOH, there is strong evidence that
people who share languages will simply find other stuff to fight
about. Of the other things, I guess religion tops the list in most
places. In the US, though, politics might be at the top of the list
with religion in second place.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>;
<boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:01 AM
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun


I sent this to Kris Pisarik one of the Managing Editors at the Sun.
His reply is at the top.I agree with Scott and the others who say
reporters are being yanked in all directions and can't be expected to
know technical details on thousands of subjects.

Let's face it gang, we do talk a language all our own.

TL

----- Original Message -----
From: Kristopher Pisarik
To: Ted Larsen
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg
So it should say the 580-watt  station?


On 10/24/11 6:56 PM, "Ted Larsen" <tlmedia@triad.rr.com> wrote:
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Larsen <mailto:tlmedia@triad.rr.com>
  To: kpisarik@lowellsun.com ; tzuppa@lowellsun.com
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:54 PM
  Subject: WQPH 89.3 FM, Fitchburg

  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia
O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications
Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000
watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249
<http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249>

  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations
and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts

  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101
<http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101>

  Official FCC filing data

  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




  Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia
O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications
Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000 watts.

  http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249
<http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249>

  "The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

  The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations
and 100,000 for AM stations

  Here is some useful engineering data

  WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts

  http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101
<http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101>

  Official FCC filing data

  http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

  Thanks for your time and attention
  Ted Larsen
  Ex-WBZ Radio News
  Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA




Gentlemen: I suggest you print a correction regarding Patricia
O'Connell's story on radio station WQPH. The Federal Communications
Commission does not allow for a station of this power, 500,000,000
watts.

http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249
<http://www.lowellsun.com/local/ci_19181249>

"The 500-megawatt station will transmit Catholic music, prayers and
talk shows to listeners in Fitchburg, Leominster, Lancaster, Shirley,
Clinton and parts of Townsend, she said."

The FCC allows for a maximum power of 50,000 watts for AM stations and
100,000 for AM stations

Here is some useful engineering data

WQPH Effective Radiated Power: 0.58 kW  = 580 Watts

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&tabSearchType=Appl&sAppIDNumber=1444101
<http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?sCurrentService=FM&amp;tabSearchType=Appl&amp;sAppIDNumber=1444101>

Official FCC filing data

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_fm.pl?Application_id=1444101

Thanks for your time and attention
Ted Larsen
Ex-WBZ Radio News
Former Owner, WNCG Newburyport, MA


From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 10:56:49 2011
From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:56:49 -0400
Subject: Ron Della Chiesa book
In-Reply-To: <F7282950E4A54AB28EABA9839F8AF9D5@SatU205S5044>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com>
	<4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>, <859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>,
	<F7282950E4A54AB28EABA9839F8AF9D5@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <BAY155-W60424B75048DCB9C8605B0A8EC0@phx.gbl>


Just ran into Ron Della Chiesa - always a pleasure - and he reminded me that his book, "Radio My Way," should be out within the next month or so. Apparently it will contain not only Ron's broadcast life, but also 40 interviews with musical celebrities. I had to get back to work, so I didn't have time to get details, but I thought I'd share what I did know, with the list.
Mike 		 	   		  

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct 25 11:47:54 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:47:54 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:44:28 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
> languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group from
> which non-members are excluded.

However, the metric system is not one of those things.

-GAWollman


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Oct 25 12:11:46 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:11:46 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EA6DFC2.3000603@donnahalper.com>

Dan said--
>> Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
>> languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group from
>> which non-members are excluded.
>>      
and Garrett added--
> However, the metric system is not one of those things.
>    
Yeah, but as your friendly neo-Luddite, I was never taught the language 
of engineering.  I learned it from hanging with some engineers while I 
was a consultant, but I still don't understand how some of the stuff 
works-- I just know the words to use when asking an engineer to help 
troubleshoot something.  Ditto for computers-- my husband repairs them 
for a living, but as a user, I can't tell you why or how things happen-- 
I just know how to beta test software and find the problems, but as for 
fixing them, not so much.  And to this day, even with my PhD, I have to 
use a calculator to figure out kilometers or such measurements.  But the 
greater issue is our educational system, which does not place enough 
emphasis on math & science, and these days, mainly teaches kids to 
memorize for standardized tests.  I see the results of that at every 
university where I am teaching.

From lglavin@mail.com  Sun Oct 23 14:35:00 2011
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:35:00 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
Message-ID: <20111023183501.276820@gmx.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Richard Chonak
>Sent: 10/23/11 01:40 AM
>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to Fitchburg???????

 >Here's the proposed coverage map: >http://prayersforlife.org/coverage-map/ >--RC Just for fun, I went to radio-locator.com; keyed in the call letters; switched to 'Satellite" view; scrolled "upward" which gets you closer and closer to the putative site where the red "teardrop" is and VOILA: it's smack in the middle of westbound route 2.

From mrschuyler@aol.com  Tue Oct 25 08:59:37 2011
From: mrschuyler@aol.com (J.E.Schuyler)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:59:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
Message-ID: <8CE612D158D9678-1A9C-531B5@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>


If the 500 megawatt misinformation came from the station spokesperson, and if that was an honest mistake by said spokesperson, THERE's your idiot.  If it was deliberate, "pride goeth before a fall."

Imagine the NIMBY concerns a 500 megawatt station would raise.  With all that nonsense about guy wires killing off thousands of migrating birds, here at last is a station that could nuke them in mid-air.  Now, THAT's progress!

---schuyler

From hlthyradio@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 13:02:38 2011
From: hlthyradio@yahoo.com (Barry Steinberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI 937 FM 
Message-ID: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I was listening to WEEI on line.? Mutt and Merloni, mentioned several times, "SportsRadio 937.7" WEEI.? What happened to850?? Has 850 gone full time ESPN yet?? I live in Los Angeles so I can't listen to Boston Radio.? I know 850 is supposed to go full time ESPN soon.? Could someone tell me what's up?

Also, you can listen to the "Craig Barry Experience"? (my radio show) on www.ktstfm.com Saturdays 4:00PM EST? 

Barry C. Steinberg

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 14:23:14 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:23:14 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <20111023183501.276820@gmx.com>
References: <20111023183501.276820@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg3UtRB9eF5tfvxq1kB8jSZe8xWuAckTJdE6V+k81aktOg@mail.gmail.com>

ANd looking at the satelitte view, I see the tower I bet WQPH is going to
hang it's antenna on.

Paul



On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Richard Chonak
> >Sent: 10/23/11 01:40 AM
> >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> >Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
> Fitchburg???????
>
>  >Here's the proposed coverage map: >
> http://prayersforlife.org/coverage-map/ >--RC Just for fun, I went to
> radio-locator.com; keyed in the call letters; switched to 'Satellite"
> view; scrolled "upward" which gets you closer and closer to the putative
> site where the red "teardrop" is and VOILA: it's smack in the middle of
> westbound route 2.
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct 25 14:23:47 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:23:47 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
In-Reply-To: <8CE612D158D9678-1A9C-531B5@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE612D158D9678-1A9C-531B5@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20134.65203.167931.286891@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:59:37 -0400 (EDT), "J.E.Schuyler" <mrschuyler@aol.com> said:

> Imagine the NIMBY concerns a 500 megawatt station would raise.

Well, first you'd have to build the generating station to supply its
electricity.

-GAWollman


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 25 13:50:38 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:50:38 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed><648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3A1BD9F9D7F74EC4B6DA52C6F4514023@SatU205S5044>

You may think that the metric system is universal and is therefore
universally understood. If that's what you think, you are living in a
dream world. Among the more confusing aspects of metric terminology
are the three similar sounding (and similar looking) prefixes that
have very different meanings: mu (Greek letter that is pronounced mew
and is shorthand for micro) representing 10e-6 (a multiplier of
1/1,000,000 or one millionth), lower-case m (for milli), representing
10e-3 (a multiplier of 1/1,000 or one thousandth), and upper-case M
(for Mega), representing 10e6 (a multiplier of 1,000,000 or one
million). IOW, the flavor of the letter M (mu, lower-case m, or
upper-case M) changes the meaning by a factor of 10e12 (a trillion to
one) with a stop at 1000 times the smallest prefix, which is a
billionth of the largest prefix.

When you work with this stuff every day, you internalize it. But if
you've never been exposed to it, it is incredibly confusing! If you
want to be understood when you talk, you can't refer to emmwatts; you
have to refer to muwatts or microwatts and either milliwatts or
Megawatts. BTW, this confusion is compounded by the lack of the mu
character on standard ASCII keyboards.

A year or more ago, I had to write to Walt Mossberg, the Wall St
Journal's consumer-electronics guru in whose column I found lower-case
m representing the Mega prefix. Of course, my letter had no effect.
Lower-case m for Mega, a violation of standard metric terminology, is
in the Dow Jones style guide, the bible on these things for people
writing about electronics in the Wall St Journal and Barron's. If Dow
Jones gets it wrong (and institutionalizes the error), how can we
expect a lowly freelancer for the Lowell Sun to get it right? Heck,
how can we expect an executive editor or managing editor at the Sun to
get it right?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun


> <<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:44:28 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"
> <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:
>
>> Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
>> languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group
>> from
>> which non-members are excluded.
>
> However, the metric system is not one of those things.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From mward@iname.com  Tue Oct 25 14:33:41 2011
From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:33:41 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CADC3Yg3UtRB9eF5tfvxq1kB8jSZe8xWuAckTJdE6V+k81aktOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20111023183501.276820@gmx.com>
	<CADC3Yg3UtRB9eF5tfvxq1kB8jSZe8xWuAckTJdE6V+k81aktOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEZgpYOaABbxcVMihyvDhOmrvL_oHRdK37cuf-FCZ_tiaA1ThQ@mail.gmail.com>

With all this fuss over WQPH here, it's probably getting more
attention on the BRI list than it will on the air...

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr.
<walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> ANd looking at the satelitte view, I see the tower I bet WQPH is going to
> hang it's antenna on.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Richard Chonak
>> >Sent: 10/23/11 01:40 AM
>> >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>> >Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming to
>> Fitchburg???????
>>
>> ?>Here's the proposed coverage map: >
>> http://prayersforlife.org/coverage-map/ >--RC Just for fun, I went to
>> radio-locator.com; keyed in the call letters; switched to 'Satellite"
>> view; scrolled "upward" which gets you closer and closer to the putative
>> site where the red "teardrop" is and VOILA: it's smack in the middle of
>> westbound route 2.
>>
>


From peterwmurray@gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 14:47:13 2011
From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:13 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming toFitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
References: <3f2cc.1a944533.3bd74a89@aol.com> <4EA5F381.8000901@aol.com>
	<859935F689794DD88B2A890CD7282C51@dave3>
Message-ID: <CAJ8HLP_J4F5tj0A_31BCqjVM2XxJPQoj6OqRj2kDXL9kvqWSHw@mail.gmail.com>

Applying some literary license, I suspect "most powerful" is intended
to mean that the station wields power, similarly to the "The most
powerful station in the most powerful city" slogan of the "new"
WMAL-FM (105.9, Woodbridge VA), with a signal that is decidedly not
the zenith of ERP.

The stations broadcasting from the top of Empire *do* cover the most
population of any station in the USA, with the crown going to WQHT
(97.1 New York), with 6700W @408m. Audience = power...

-Peter

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Dave Doherty <dave@skywaves.net> wrote:
> To determine the "biggest" FM station, you have to include the effects of
> effective radiated power and antenna height above average terrain (ERP in kW
> @ HAAT in meters).
>
> The FCC uses the concept "reference distance" which is the result of a
> calculation that takes both parameters and produces a distance to the 60 dBu
> contour.
>
> Based on the reference distance, the North American FM coverage winner is
> KVYB in Santa Barbara. 105 kW @ 905 m produces a 60 dBu reference distance
> of 103.9 km.
>
> By contrast, WXNY is a mere 6 kW @ 415 m. The reference distance is only
> 52.3 km, about half that of KVYB. ?On the same mast at 4TS, three stations
> (WQHT, WPLJ, and WCBS-FM) are operating with 6.7 kW @ 408 m, generating a 60
> dBu reference distance of 52.9 km, slightly greater than that of WXNY.
>
> Based on raw power, not only is WXNY not even remotely the most powerful
> station in the world, there are 6,169 FM stations in the US with more power,
> and 471 more in Canada and Mexico.
>
> All told, there are 28 FM stations in North America with greater than 100 kW
> ERP.
>
> The most powerful FM station in North America is 380 kW CFPLFM in London,
> ON. With an antenna height of 270 m AAT, the reference distance is 83.3 km.
> Height matters, and they don't have anywhere near as much as KVYB.
>
> The highest common site in North America is Sandia Crest, serving the
> Albuquerque and Santa Fe area. The stations there are about 1260 m AAT ,
> with 60 dBu reference distances around 92 km for the Class C stations that
> are derated from 100 kW to around 20 kW based on the height.
>
> WHOM on Mt Washington has 48 kW @ 1141 m AAT. ?The 60 dBu reference distance
> is 99.9 km.
>
> The most powerful US station is WBCT in Grand Rapids with 320 kW at 238 m
> AAT, for a 60 dBu reference distance of 78.7 km.
>
> Now if you're talking population, any station in NY or LA has an edge, but
> with other stations on 4TS having larger reference distances, WXNY doesn't
> even win that battle.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mario Gonzalez Jr.
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:23 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: Re: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
> toFitchburg???????
>
>
> I'm curious about stations that on the air proclaim themselves as the
> most powerful station in the world. ?X96.3 (WXNY-FM) in New York says
> the following in Spanish at the top of each hour. ?"From the top (point)
> of the Empire State Building with the most powerful signal in the world.
> this is X96.3 ...." ?I laugh every time I hear this proclamation!
>
> I see that WHOM says that they have the largest FM coverage in USA on
> their website.
>
> Are there any other claims by radio stations of the most powerful
> station, etc.?
>
> Mario
>
>
>


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 14:45:45 2011
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:45:45 -0400
Subject: WEEI 937 FM 
In-Reply-To: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cc9346$4e9b5be0$ebd213a0$@net>

> I was listening to WEEI on line.? Mutt and Merloni, mentioned several
> times, "SportsRadio 937.7" WEEI.? What happened to850?? Has 850 gone
> full time ESPN yet?? I live in Los Angeles so I can't listen to Boston
> Radio.? I know 850 is supposed to go full time ESPN soon.? Could
> someone tell me what's up?

They probably just don't think it's worthy of being mentioned anymore now
that they're on FM. Nothing has been confirmed about ESPN going full time on
850, so I doubt it's happening anytime soon.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA



From gary@garysicecream.com  Tue Oct 25 15:04:02 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:04:02 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
Message-ID: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>

Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required tests"
every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't know
what he is talking about.

 



From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct 25 15:43:32 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:43:32 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
Message-ID: <20135.4452.505244.38150@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:04:02 -0400, "Gary's Ice Cream" <gary@garysicecream.com> said:

> Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required tests"
> every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
> devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
> coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't know
> what he is talking about.

Don't forget about the national EAS test on November 9.  (And I'm with
you on the RWTs: even once a week is too frequent.  And who was the
idiot who decided that my TiVo should interrupt playback of a prerecorded
program for a useless, but live, test message anyway?  I'd be OK if it
did that just for EANs or state-wide alerts.)

-GAWollman
 

From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Oct 25 14:54:10 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:54:10 -0400
Subject: Most powerful radio station in the world coming
	to	Fitchburg???????
In-Reply-To: <CAEZgpYOaABbxcVMihyvDhOmrvL_oHRdK37cuf-FCZ_tiaA1ThQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20111023183501.276820@gmx.com>
	<CADC3Yg3UtRB9eF5tfvxq1kB8jSZe8xWuAckTJdE6V+k81aktOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEZgpYOaABbxcVMihyvDhOmrvL_oHRdK37cuf-FCZ_tiaA1ThQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F35556B5-95A4-4F36-9E80-4BF169DEEC0C@mac.com>


On Oct 25, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Mike Ward wrote:

> With all this fuss over WQPH here, it's probably getting more
> attention on the BRI list than it will on the air?
> 

Like!

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Tue Oct 25 15:40:20 2011
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
Message-ID: <b1c91e65-697b-4319-b3c0-6a07512c676e@blur>

Mark Manulien at WBZ

Brian Vita
CSSInc.

-----Original message-----
From: Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
To: Boston radio e-mail list <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 19:37:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: EAS in Mass

Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required tests"
every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't know
what he is talking about.

 




From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Oct 25 15:49:18 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:49:18 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
Message-ID: <3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>


On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:

> Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required tests"
> every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
> devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
> coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't know
> what he is talking about.

Weekly tests originate with the station/cable system, not with the EAS people.  So the blame here is squarely on Comcast, unless they are originating from the station that you are watching on Comcast.  I know from my former employment at a Boston TV station that the general manager at the time got quite upset that an EAS test was aired by Comcast during the first segment of the 11 PM news on the first day of sweeps a few years ago, and probably a few less-than-nice words were exchanged between him and someone at Comcast.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 25 15:49:40 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:49:40 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>

On 10/25/2011 11:47 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> <<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:44:28 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"<dan.strassberg@att.net>  said:
>
>> Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
>> languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group from
>> which non-members are excluded.
> However, the metric system is not one of those things.

No?  It was originally started during the French Revolution, by the same 
people who also created the Revolutionary calendar, which had its own 
months and ten-day "weeks," with a day of rest every tenth day.  Which, 
among other things, excluded everyone whose religion required them to 
observe a day of rest every seventh day.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 25 15:55:45 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:55:45 -0400
Subject: WEEI 937 FM
In-Reply-To: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EA71441.5000501@attorneyross.com>

On 10/25/2011 1:02 PM, Barry Steinberg wrote:

> I was listening to WEEI on line.  Mutt and Merloni, mentioned several times, "SportsRadio 937.7" WEEI.  What happened to850?  Has 850 gone full time ESPN yet?  I live in Los Angeles so I can't listen to Boston Radio.  I know 850 is supposed to go full time ESPN soon.  Could someone tell me what's up?

Once upon a time, like the 1950s and early 1960s, stations that 
simulcasted on AM and FM just mentioned the AM call letters and 
frequency.  The FM call letters were mentioned only at the legal ID.  
The FM frequency almost never.  Why?  Because in those days AM was where 
the audience was.  Now it's FM's turn.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct 25 17:57:44 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:57:44 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:49:40 -0400, "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> On 10/25/2011 11:47 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> <<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:44:28 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"<dan.strassberg@att.net>  said:
>> 
>>> Every field has its own lexicon; the polyglot of "members-only"
>>> languages seems to fulfill a human need to be members of a group from
>>> which non-members are excluded.
>> However, the metric system is not one of those things.

> No?

No.  For many years now, it has not been possible to get through
primary school, never mind high school, without at least basic
knowledge of the metric system (which is, after all, the official
system of units of measure in the United States, not to mention every
other country in the world).

-GAWollman


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Oct 25 18:01:09 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:01:09 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
	<20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EA731A5.2000906@fybush.com>

On 10/25/2011 5:57 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> No.  For many years now, it has not been possible to get through
> primary school, never mind high school, without at least basic
> knowledge of the metric system (which is, after all, the official
> system of units of measure in the United States, not to mention every
> other country in the world).

I consulted with the closest available eight-year-old at my disposal, 
and she tells me that they did a little very basic work with the metric 
system last year in second grade, but have not done so yet this year in 
third grade, though they are doing measurements in inches and feet and 
yards right now.

s

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 17:54:49 2011
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI 937 FM 
In-Reply-To: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1319579689.11273.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It's still on 850 - I listen on AM in places where I can't get the FM in well.

From gary@garysicecream.com  Tue Oct 25 18:55:37 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:55:37 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
	<3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
Message-ID: <058101cc9369$36b5b930$a4212b90$@com>

Had a nice talk with a someone in the tech world at Comcast (she used to be
"Joe & Andy's producer at the old 98.5, WROR) and she said that there is a
software upload for some Tivo's that will stop an EAS test from interrupting
a playback of a recorded show.  Call customer service for more info (you may
have to have the call accelerated to a supervisor who is more familiar with
the situation).  But yes, Comcast is running EAS tests once and sometimes
twice every day for gawd-knows whatever reason.


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Larry Weil
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Boston radio e-mail list
Subject: Re: EAS in Mass


On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:

> Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required
tests"
> every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
> devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
> coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't
know
> what he is talking about.

Weekly tests originate with the station/cable system, not with the EAS
people.  So the blame here is squarely on Comcast, unless they are
originating from the station that you are watching on Comcast.  I know from
my former employment at a Boston TV station that the general manager at the
time got quite upset that an EAS test was aired by Comcast during the first
segment of the 11 PM news on the first day of sweeps a few years ago, and
probably a few less-than-nice words were exchanged between him and someone
at Comcast.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH





From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 18:59:07 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:59:07 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <058101cc9369$36b5b930$a4212b90$@com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
	<3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
	<058101cc9369$36b5b930$a4212b90$@com>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsM=MJ8z-MkjrmJW9V85eqEL3bh3kRhso9wh_i9hEi+X7Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/364

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>wrote:

> Had a nice talk with a someone in the tech world at Comcast (she used to be
> "Joe & Andy's producer at the old 98.5, WROR) and she said that there is a
> software upload for some Tivo's that will stop an EAS test from
> interrupting
> a playback of a recorded show.  Call customer service for more info (you
> may
> have to have the call accelerated to a supervisor who is more familiar with
> the situation).  But yes, Comcast is running EAS tests once and sometimes
> twice every day for gawd-knows whatever reason.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Larry Weil
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: Boston radio e-mail list
> Subject: Re: EAS in Mass
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote:
>
> > Who is in charge of EAS in Mass?  Comcast is sending "weekly required
> tests"
> > every night at between midnite and 1am..it causes chaos to TIVO and other
> > devices.  Now they have begun sending one daily at 3pm as well. Their
> > coordinator says that it only sends it when necessary - but he doesn't
> know
> > what he is talking about.
>
> Weekly tests originate with the station/cable system, not with the EAS
> people.  So the blame here is squarely on Comcast, unless they are
> originating from the station that you are watching on Comcast.  I know from
> my former employment at a Boston TV station that the general manager at the
> time got quite upset that an EAS test was aired by Comcast during the first
> segment of the 11 PM news on the first day of sweeps a few years ago, and
> probably a few less-than-nice words were exchanged between him and someone
> at Comcast.
>
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>
>
>
>
>

From gary@garysicecream.com  Tue Oct 25 19:39:55 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:39:55 -0400
Subject: Andy Rooney hospitalized
Message-ID: <058f01cc936f$66f46f50$34dd4df0$@com>

CBS is reporting that recently (3 weeks ago) retired 60-minutes commentator
Andy Rooney, father of WGBH-TV's Emily Rooney is hospitalized in serious
condition following complications after surgery.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/25/andy-rooney-hospitalized-stable-condition-60-m
inutes-cbs/

 



From sid@wrko.com  Tue Oct 25 17:07:07 2011
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:07:07 +0000
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
	<3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA3BC974@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>

"Weekly tests originate with the station/cable system, not with the EAS people.  So the blame here is squarely on Comcast, unless they are originating from the station that you are watching on Comcast.  I know from my former employment at a Boston TV station that the general manager at the time got quite upset that an EAS test was aired by Comcast during the first segment of the 11 PM news on the first day of sweeps a few years ago, and probably a few less-than-nice words were exchanged between him and someone at Comcast."

Wrong party to blame, and it's not Mark Manuelian's fault either.  Blame the FCC.

First:  All weekly tests must be run on random days at random times [47 CFR ?11.61(a)(2)(i)(A, B & C)].  Burying them overnight consistently = a hefty contribution to the federal treasury.

Second:  On cable systems with over 5000 subscribers, all channels must be interrupted simultaneously for all EAS tests, per 47 CFR ?11.61(a)(2)(i)(B).  Cable systems with fewer than 5000 subscribers get away with doing the weekly tests on just one channel.

Comcast is only doing what they are supposed to do.  No matter when the tests are done, someone will be ticked off.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct 25 22:27:03 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:27:03 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA3BC974@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
	<3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA3BC974@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <20135.28663.645856.607499@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:07:07 +0000, Sid Schweiger <sid@wrko.com> said:

> First: All weekly tests must be run on random days at random times
> [47 CFR ?11.61(a)(2)(i)(A, B & C)].  Burying them overnight
> consistently = a hefty contribution to the federal treasury.

It is quite clear that they don't actually mean "random" (and no
station actually does that).  WBZ, for example, has a few specific
times of day when the RWT runs, none of which are normally injurious
to the format.  (I hear them most often in place of another element
between :30 and :45 after the hour.)  Similarly, WBUR only runs RWTs
during the parts of the hour that they are local and have enough slack
in the clock.  (I usually hear them during the bottom-hour break in
the BBC World Service overnights -- I don't normally listen to other
dayparts so I can't say how they work them in then.)  In ten years of
subscribing, I've only once heard XM do any kind of EAS test, and
they're required to do them as frequently as other multichannel
delivery systems.

My understanding is that the Commission is perfectly happy if you
always do them at the same time relative to the daypart in which they
air, so long as you do a different daypart and a different day each
week, even if the schedule is completely deterministic.  And they
allow you to skip doing an RWT during the week when the RMT is run.

-GAWollman



From gary@garysicecream.com  Tue Oct 25 21:55:26 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:55:26 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA3BC974@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>	<3E167594-F6BE-4ED4-8DBF-73B1732CE749@mac.com>
	<6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA3BC974@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com>
Message-ID: <05ab01cc9382$551e9180$ff5bb480$@com>

They are doing them 7 days a week, twice a day. The overnight one is usually
at 1am - give or take 10 minutes.  The afternoon one is around 3pm.



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sid Schweiger
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Boston radio e-mail list
Subject: RE: EAS in Mass

"Weekly tests originate with the station/cable system, not with the EAS
people.  So the blame here is squarely on Comcast, unless they are
originating from the station that you are watching on Comcast.  I know from
my former employment at a Boston TV station that the general manager at the
time got quite upset that an EAS test was aired by Comcast during the first
segment of the 11 PM news on the first day of sweeps a few years ago, and
probably a few less-than-nice words were exchanged between him and someone
at Comcast."

Wrong party to blame, and it's not Mark Manuelian's fault either.  Blame the
FCC.

First:  All weekly tests must be run on random days at random times [47 CFR
?11.61(a)(2)(i)(A, B & C)].  Burying them overnight consistently = a hefty
contribution to the federal treasury.

Second:  On cable systems with over 5000 subscribers, all channels must be
interrupted simultaneously for all EAS tests, per 47 CFR ?11.61(a)(2)(i)(B).
Cable systems with fewer than 5000 subscribers get away with doing the
weekly tests on just one channel.

Comcast is only doing what they are supposed to do.  No matter when the
tests are done, someone will be ticked off.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 23:39:47 2011
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Andy Rooney hospitalized
In-Reply-To: <058f01cc936f$66f46f50$34dd4df0$@com>
Message-ID: <1319600387.82747.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I noticed that Emily has been absent from her radio program....

She is probably at her father's side.  

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/10/25/cbs_andy_rooney_hospitalized_in_serious_condition/?p1=Upbox_links



--- On Tue, 10/25/11, Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com> wrote:

> From: Gary's Ice Cream <gary@garysicecream.com>
> Subject: Andy Rooney hospitalized
> To: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 7:39 PM
> CBS is reporting that recently (3
> weeks ago) retired 60-minutes commentator
> Andy Rooney, father of WGBH-TV's Emily Rooney is
> hospitalized in serious
> condition following complications after surgery.
> 
> http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/25/andy-rooney-hospitalized-stable-condition-60-m
> inutes-cbs/
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 25 23:59:22 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:59:22 -0400
Subject: EAS in Mass
In-Reply-To: <20135.4452.505244.38150@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <055c01cc9348$dd44be20$97ce3a60$@com>
	<20135.4452.505244.38150@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EA7859A.8010304@attorneyross.com>

On 10/25/2011 3:43 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> Don't forget about the national EAS test on November 9. (And I'm with 
> you on the RWTs: even once a week is too frequent. And who was the 
> idiot who decided that my TiVo should interrupt playback of a 
> prerecorded program for a useless, but live, test message anyway? I'd 
> be OK if it did that just for EANs or state-wide alerts.) -GAWollman -----

My VCR doesn't do that!

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 26 00:02:29 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:02:29 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
	<20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EA78655.4090607@attorneyross.com>

On 10/25/2011 5:57 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> No.  For many years now, it has not been possible to get through
> primary school, never mind high school, without at least basic
> knowledge of the metric system (which is, after all, the official
> system of units of measure in the United States, not to mention every
> other country in the world).

How is it the official system of unis in the United States?  Last I 
heard, Jimmy Carter started a program to convert the US to the metric 
system, but Reagan killed it.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Oct 26 01:21:06 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:21:06 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA78655.4090607@attorneyross.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
	<20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA78655.4090607@attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <20135.39106.983147.701204@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:02:29 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> How is it the official system of unis in the United States?  Last I 
> heard, Jimmy Carter started a program to convert the US to the metric 
> system, but Reagan killed it.

All U.S. customary units are defined in terms of the metric units.
(One inch, for example, is defined to be exactly 25.4 millimeters.)
This has been so for more than a century and a half.  (The survey
foot, the base unit used to survey the West, was defined to be
1200/3937 meter.)

The electrical units we talk about in broadcasting -- volts, amperes,
watts, hertz, ohms, and so on -- are all metric through and through.
(A volt, for example, is a joule per coulomb, or alternatively, a
newton meter per ampere second, or to express it in SI base units, a
kilogram meter meter per ampere second second second.)  Except for the
watt, none of them have any U.S. customary equivalent, since the
quantities they describe were not known in the eighteenth century.

-GAWollman


From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 26 02:03:03 2011
From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:03:03 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed><648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044><20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com><20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4EA78655.4090607@attorneyross.com>
	<20135.39106.983147.701204@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1A699B96A1684AB39E07FA9F20CD8FC0@s20035>



> <<On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:02:29 -0400, A Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>
> said:
>
>> Last I
>> heard, Jimmy Carter started a program to convert the US to the metric
>> system, but Reagan killed it.

I remember broadcasters were supposed to do this metric conversion process
with temperature over 3 years.

1st year(1977?):  Adding the celsius number after the farenheit number.

i.e....."...54 degrees in Boston, that's 12 celsius, I'm Don Batting WBZ
news..."

So far so good?  No one had problems with that...and it started to get the
country accustomed to hearing the comparable celsius temperature.


The following year (1978?) broadcasters were supposed to flip the
two...stating the celsius first....THEN the farenheit.

i.e....."....It's 10 degrees in Boston, that's 50 degrees Farenheit, I'm
Dareel Gould, WBZ News..."

The first few days of the new year, WBZ and others that attemtped this were
flooded with complaints!  ("Whaddya mean it's TEN degrees?") I don't think
it went much byond a week into the new year before some stations flipped
back to the Farenheit first then celsius...and some stations dropped the
celsius altogether.

(The 3rd year plan (1979?) was to drop Farenheit altogether.....but we never
got that far.)

By the time Reagan got in in 1980, it was obvious the American people had
given every indication they were not interested in going through this
transition in the supermarket, gas pump, weather reports, etc.  The American
National Metric Council was later disbanded.



From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 03:23:19 2011
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:23:19 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA731A5.2000906@fybush.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
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I do remember in the 70s or so there were PSAs like "Take Ten and
Learn the Metric Way" and we were taught the basics of metric. As it
is we are kind of schizophrenic...there are 1 and 2 litre bottles of
soda but also
12 oz (355 mL) cans, 20 oz bottles, etc. Gas of course is in gallons
though once you cross over into
Canada you'll note gas is in litres, distance is in kilometres, etc.
Up near the border, there will be signs
with both (Montreal 62 mi/100 km) and right at the border, a sign
reminding you to use km. (Km per hour, etc.)

We are used to height being in feet and inches but you'll read someone
in another country give their
height in cm and/or weight in kg. I think of 10 cm as being 4 inches,
so someone 68 inches tall is
about 170 cm. A kg is 2.2 pounds, etc. Want to sound lighter? Say you
weigh 100 (kg) instead of
220 (pounds)!

And then yes, temperature. We learned a complicated formula that
involved multiplying or diving by 5 or 9,
adding or subtracting 32, etc., but really it's very simple. 0 Celsius
is 32 Fahrenheit and for each 5 degrees C, it's 9 degrees of
Fahrenheit. Room temperature, 68, is 20 Celsius. A pleasant summer day
can be
25 C (77F) or 30C (86 F) etc. 41 F = 5 C, 50 F= 10 C, etc.

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 03:33:33 2011
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:33:33 -0400
Subject: WEEI 937 FM
In-Reply-To: <1319579689.11273.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319562158.51006.YahooMailNeo@web181707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1319579689.11273.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJht-8P37FhEnmZUQ3kgn4z13Pb1b_miNRM1XKkecFjt8B=UwQ@mail.gmail.com>

The long overdue simulcast on/move to FM is accenting the FM signal
because they want people to think of them as an FM station in town,
just like their competition; the only time 850 gets mentioned is their
text
number (850850). They finally realized that for most people FM is a
great way to hear WEEI (though yes
there are places where the 850 might come in better) and as for the
ESPN 24/7 rumor, yes so far all we have seen is K. Vahey mentioning in
mid Sept. that according to a good friend who worked at ESPN, the AM
would go all-ESPN "sometime in the next month".

Indeed they may just be keeping the AM as is for the time being. I
thought maybe they would pick a certain date like Nov 1 to pull the
switch but who knows. We'll see how ratings and billings do. The Red
Sox had a monumental collapse but there has been interest in the
general manager and manager situation, etc. The other team they carry,
the Celtics, is in limbo along with the rest of the NBA due to the
lockout. Will they lose a whole season?

WEEI's local talk covers all 4 major local sports team though perhaps
they don't do much on the Bruins. As it is, they do have ESPN
overnight and some weekend slots and they have carried many ESPN
baseball playoff/World Series games.

The accent is definitely on FM...and in other cities where things like
this happen, the FM is accented. A good example is in Memphis where
Entercom has "ESPN 92.9/680" (and also Fox Sports via 790).
The logo accents the 92.9. No surprise.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's still on 850 - I listen on AM in places where I can't get the FM in well.
>

From ewerme@comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 15:13:25 2011
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Metrication, was Re: WQPH Correction ...
Message-ID: <20111026191325.558A36D62B@c-24-91-225-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>


> How is it the official system of units in the United States?  Last I 
> heard, Jimmy Carter started a program to convert the US to the metric 
> system, but Reagan killed it.

It may not be official (except for wine, liquor, meds, and Feds), but it is
legal.

>From http://js082.k12.sd.us/Notes_and_Wrkshts/Metric_Factor-Lable/metric_system_info.htm
A better variant is  http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/dates.htm

1866 The use of the metric system made legal (but not mandatory) in the
United States by the Metric Act of 1866 (Public Law 39-183).  This law also
made it unlawful to refuse to trade or deal in metric quantities.

1975 The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 (Public Law 94-168) passed by
Congress. The Act established the U.S. Metric Board to coordinate and plan
the increasing use and voluntary conversion to the metric system. However,
the Act was devoid of any target dates for metric conversion.

1979 BATF requires wine producers and importers to switch to metric bottles
in seven standard [liter and milliliter] sizes.

1980 The Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
(BATF) requires distilled spirits (hard liquor) bottles to conform to the
volume of one of six standard metric [liter and milliliter] sizes.

1982 President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and canceled
its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was transferred to the
Office of Metric Programs in the Department of Commerce.

1988 The Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988 (Public Law 100-418)
amended and strengthened the Metric Conversion Act of 1975, designating the
metric system as the preferred measurement system, and requiring each
federal agency to be metric by the end of fiscal year 1992.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 26 23:56:11 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:56:11 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <20135.39106.983147.701204@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
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	<4EA78655.4090607@attorneyross.com>
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On 10/26/2011 1:21 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> All U.S. customary units are defined in terms of the metric units.
> (One inch, for example, is defined to be exactly 25.4 millimeters.)
> This has been so for more than a century and a half.  (The survey
> foot, the base unit used to survey the West, was defined to be
> 1200/3937 meter.)

Funny, I thought I learned somewhere in elementary school that there was 
a platinum bar at the U.S. Bureau of Standards with markings on it 
indicating the length of a yard, and all other measurements were derived 
from that.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 26 23:58:38 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:58:38 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8OFQXZWu1yE_JhYTLJ8+hXZF0e=M9TZdwXUoN4cPahRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 10/26/2011 3:23 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:


> And then yes, temperature. We learned a complicated formula that
> involved multiplying or diving by 5 or 9,
> adding or subtracting 32, etc., but really it's very simple. 0 Celsius
> is 32 Fahrenheit and for each 5 degrees C, it's 9 degrees of
> Fahrenheit. Room temperature, 68, is 20 Celsius. A pleasant summer day
> can be
> 25 C (77F) or 30C (86 F) etc. 41 F = 5 C, 50 F= 10 C, etc.

And sometime in the 1970s, I was in a play, playing a Groucho Marx 
character, and I came up with the line, "What this country needs is a 
good five-cent cigar.  In fact, what this country needs is a good 
five-cent nickel.  That's minus fifteen cents Celcius."

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                     617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004     http://www.attorneyross.com


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 02:26:12 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:26:12 -0500
Subject: Cable TV & EAS Tests
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg1dfsUrTpBx1BndMpABLG9wq_E9qBeYoMyF=4HsBQG0Kw@mail.gmail.com>

We were discussing this the other day on this list.

I just had 17.. count 'em, 17 EAS Tests in the span of roughly 30 minutes
here on Comcast Cable in Ridgway, PA.

Sometimes they were space 2 to 3 minutes apart, sometimes only a few
seconds. When a test was about to happen, QVC audio and video would pop on
the channel for a few seconds, the test would happen, then QVC Video/Audio
for a few seconds.. then back to whatever I was watching.

Paul Walker

From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 02:50:16 2011
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:50:16 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA8D6EE.4050903@attorneyross.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
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Ha...and don't forget, you shouldn't judge a man till you've walked
1.6 km in his shoes....Penny-wise
but 0.5 kg foolish...and how many km per liter does that car get?

> And sometime in the 1970s, I was in a play, playing a Groucho Marx
> character, and I came up with the line, "What this country needs is a good
> five-cent cigar. ?In fact, what this country needs is a good five-cent
> nickel. ?That's minus fifteen cents Celcius."


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 09:42:19 2011
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:42:19 -0500
Subject: WMLO 1570
Message-ID: <CADC3Yg3Oh-voVHRJr15z9sH=tbh+zaxVGBc0zGgF8Ty3dgrpyg@mail.gmail.com>

This is from Tom Taylor's Radio Info Newsletter and it is about a station
that used to be.. and pretty funny, so I thought I'd share...

*Stand by for technical difficulties - *Robert Cohen says "Yesterday's No
Names, Please story from Bob Wood about the expletive on the carted newscast
was hilarious. My experience with carted newscasts happened at my second
job, little 500-watt WMLO in Beverly, Mass. We had old Gates cart machines
which would wow and flutter, particularly with long cartridges. So often,
the news would sound fine for the first minute, and then 'Prrrrrresident
Lyndon Johnsonnnnnnnnnnnnn burrrrrp hisssssssssssss.' Another thing about
carts. This station 'employed' high school kids, some of them probably
working for free. *One enterprising kid took it upon himself to 'edit' the
top-of-the- hour and half-hour station ID which was voiced by L.A.-based
voiceover god Boyd Britton. Boyd had started his career at WMLO. The correct
ID went 'This is 1570 WMLO, Beverly...with Instant News.' One day it
mysteriously started to go 'This is WMLO Beverly (toilet flush sound
effect)...with Instant News.' That ID ran for five months before someone
finally called and asked why the toilet always flushed at the top and bottom
of the hour."*

From paul@derrynh.net  Thu Oct 27 09:07:25 2011
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:07:25 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8P1hoRKQNf+idqkNECJumG333sFbhu7CyDuX0zH0bfdsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed><648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044><20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com><20135.12504.661026.875895@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4EA731A5.2000906@fybush.com><CAJht-8OFQXZWu1yE_JhYTLJ8+hXZF0e=M9TZdwXUoN4cPahRxQ@mail.gmail.com><4EA8D6EE.4050903@attorneyross.com>
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10.634 km/L (assuming 25 mpg)

My goal is to invoke Metric TIME! (10 months per year, 10 weeks per month; 
10 days per week; 10 hours per day; 100 minutes per hour; 100 seconds per 
minute.....)

We currently have (rounded for the 365 1/4 days) 31,557,600 seconds in a 
year; metric time would have 100,000,000 seconds, so nearly a 3-1 ratio, so 
a metric second would be 0.3157 (rounded) 'english' seconds....

Oh....RADIO.....GOOD......(more ID's by a factor of 3! Easier to catch DX's)

-Paul Hopfgarten

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bob Nelson
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:50 AM
To: A Joseph Ross
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun

Ha...and don't forget, you shouldn't judge a man till you've walked
1.6 km in his shoes....Penny-wise
but 0.5 kg foolish...and how many km per liter does that car get?

> And sometime in the 1970s, I was in a play, playing a Groucho Marx
> character, and I came up with the line, "What this country needs is a good
> five-cent cigar.  In fact, what this country needs is a good five-cent
> nickel.  That's minus fifteen cents Celcius." 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Oct 27 11:41:44 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:41:44 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
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<<On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:07:25 -0400, "Paul Hopfgarten" <paul@derrynh.net> said:

> 10.634 km/L (assuming 25 mpg)

In countries where metric units are required in advertising, car
companies use fuel consumption rather than fuel efficiency.  So 25
mi/gal would be advertised as 9.4 L/100 km.

I remember seeing PSAs on Canadian television in the early 1980s
explaining the difference.  Of course, in Canada, they had been using
Imperial gallons before the switch.

-GAWollman


From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Oct 27 12:28:01 2011
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:28:01 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8P1hoRKQNf+idqkNECJumG333sFbhu7CyDuX0zH0bfdsw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Oct 27, 2011, at 2:50 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> Ha...and don't forget, you shouldn't judge a man till you've walked
> 1.6 km in his shoes....Penny-wise
> but 0.5 kg foolish...and how many km per liter does that car get?

Actually in Canada they measure fuel usage in liters per 100 Km.  So when you buy a car you look for the lowest number.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH




From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 27 14:50:11 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:50:11 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <CAJht-8P1hoRKQNf+idqkNECJumG333sFbhu7CyDuX0zH0bfdsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
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On 10/27/2011 2:50 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> ...Penny-wise but 0.5 kg foolish

No,  "pound" in that proverb refers to the British monetary unit.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net  Thu Oct 27 16:15:47 2011
From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:15:47 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA9A7E3.6090703@attorneyross.com>
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	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
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At 02:50 PM 10/27/2011, A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>>...Penny-wise but 0.5 kg foolish
>
>No,  "pound" in that proverb refers to the British monetary unit.

Correct - it should have been "penny-wise but $1.61 foolish." Perhaps the British monetary system could stand to be metricized.

Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html  


From scott@fybush.com  Thu Oct 27 16:26:15 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:26:15 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111027161318.0296cf60@plymouthcolony.net>
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On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote:
> At 02:50 PM 10/27/2011, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
>
>>> ...Penny-wise but 0.5 kg foolish
>>
>> No,  "pound" in that proverb refers to the British monetary unit.
>
> Correct - it should have been "penny-wise but $1.61 foolish." Perhaps
> the British monetary system could stand to be metricized.

It was decimalized in 1970, replacing the old "LSD" system (1 pound = 20 
shillings = 240 pence) with a simpler decimal system in which 1 pound = 
100 new pence. There were some points of equivalency between the old 
system and the new: the old shilling, 1/20th of a pound, became the 5 
new pence coin with the same specifications, while the old florin (2 
shillings = 1/10th of a pound) became the 10 new pence coin with the 
same specifications. For many years thereafter, you'd find pre-1970 
florin and shilling coins still in circulation alongside the 10 and 5 
new pence coins; the coins were resized a few years back and the older 
versions taken out of circulation.

Are we sufficiently off-topic yet?

s

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 27 16:26:08 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:26:08 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111027161318.0296cf60@plymouthcolony.net>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EA712D4.5090902@attorneyross.com>
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	<7.0.1.0.2.20111027161318.0296cf60@plymouthcolony.net>
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On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote:

> Correct - it should have been "penny-wise but $1.61 foolish." Perhaps the British monetary system could stand to be metricized.

No, it should still be "pound."  Translating British monetary units into 
American is not metricizing.  British money was decimalized 
("metricized") in 1971, so that a pound now consists of 100 (new) 
pence.  Previously, a pound was divided into 20 shillings, and a 
shilling was further divided into 12 old pence.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 27 16:40:22 2011
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:40:22 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction I Sent And Reply From Lowell Sun
In-Reply-To: <4EA9BE67.90902@fybush.com>
References: <08EFEA29834D4C418A34862FB0714167@YOURbcbbe822ed>
	<648F0BF9FD4548ADAC54AF1C3B9A52EB@SatU205S5044>
	<20134.55850.237272.210069@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 10/27/2011 4:26 PM, Scott Fybush wrote:

> It was decimalized in 1970, replacing the old "LSD" system (1 pound = 
> 20 shillings = 240 pence) with a simpler decimal system in which 1 
> pound = 100 new pence. There were some points of equivalency between 
> the old system and the new: the old shilling, 1/20th of a pound, 
> became the 5 new pence coin with the same specifications, while the 
> old florin (2 shillings = 1/10th of a pound) became the 10 new pence 
> coin with the same specifications. For many years thereafter, you'd 
> find pre-1970 florin and shilling coins still in circulation alongside 
> the 10 and 5 new pence coins; the coins were resized a few years back 
> and the older versions taken out of circulation.

The effective date of decimalization was 15 February 1971.  See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_Day

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.             617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700       Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004          http://www.attorneyross.com


From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 17:15:44 2011
From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:15:44 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction
Message-ID: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>

The  attacks on the reporter on this story are hypocritical.  We had people
standing in line to rip her and the newspaper for repeating the claim of a
radio station operator. Yeah, it was a mistake, yeah, it could and should
have been caught. But what of the people on this list who postulate that
the reporter had numerous other stories to do that day?  She was identified
in print as a "correspondent."  Why is it that she is criticized for not
knowing some technical radio terminology, yet it's okay for people on this
list to ignore newspaper terminology and speculate that she had many other
stories to do that day, even though her by-line said "correspondent," and
that term, in print, generally denotes a stringer, intern or free-lancer
hired by the story? Why is it okay for the people on this list to criticize
someone else's reporting and wonder if the Lowell Sun has copy editors
without checking?  Why is it that the people pontificating here are allowed
to speculate and incorrectly surmise while simultaneously criticizing the
factual errors of others?

I'd suggest that some people need to get off the high horse.

As for the metric system, the first thing to go metric permanently was
booze, but only some of the containers were changed at first.  The;y could
give you less in the conversion of half-pints, fifths and half gallons to
200ml, 750ml and 1.75 L,  so those were changed first.  When nips became
miniatures,  pints became 500ml and quarts became liters, they had to give
you more, so they put that off until they had to. I have done exhaustive
research in this area, so if my math is off that is why.

At least we know a hand-packed quart is still a hand-packed quart.

From gary@garysicecream.com  Thu Oct 27 17:48:53 2011
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:48:53 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction
In-Reply-To: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06be01cc94f2$38f4de30$aade9a90$@com>

Now we're talking a language that I speak daily.  A hand packed quart can
vary in weight by 50% or more.  According to the FDA a gallon of ice cream
must weigh a minimum of 4.5 lbs.  So in theory a quart should weigh 18 oz
(since ice cream mix weighs oz per pint but after processing and the
addition of air <called overrun> the pint is required to weigh 9 oz (or 18
oz per quart).  BUT, Brighams has always hand packed quarts at 34 ounces.
Most other ice cream shops hand pack between 28-32 oz.....but a machine
filled quart weighs 18 oz....all because we are talking two numerical
systems.....a quart is a liquid measure.....but is calculated as a weight
measure.
Have I confused you enough.....??  I can go on.......


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Karen McTrotsky
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:16 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: RE: WQPH Correction

The  attacks on the reporter on this story are hypocritical.  We had people
standing in line to rip her and the newspaper for repeating the claim of a
radio station operator. Yeah, it was a mistake, yeah, it could and should
have been caught. But what of the people on this list who postulate that
the reporter had numerous other stories to do that day?  She was identified
in print as a "correspondent."  Why is it that she is criticized for not
knowing some technical radio terminology, yet it's okay for people on this
list to ignore newspaper terminology and speculate that she had many other
stories to do that day, even though her by-line said "correspondent," and
that term, in print, generally denotes a stringer, intern or free-lancer
hired by the story? Why is it okay for the people on this list to criticize
someone else's reporting and wonder if the Lowell Sun has copy editors
without checking?  Why is it that the people pontificating here are allowed
to speculate and incorrectly surmise while simultaneously criticizing the
factual errors of others?

I'd suggest that some people need to get off the high horse.

As for the metric system, the first thing to go metric permanently was
booze, but only some of the containers were changed at first.  The;y could
give you less in the conversion of half-pints, fifths and half gallons to
200ml, 750ml and 1.75 L,  so those were changed first.  When nips became
miniatures,  pints became 500ml and quarts became liters, they had to give
you more, so they put that off until they had to. I have done exhaustive
research in this area, so if my math is off that is why.

At least we know a hand-packed quart is still a hand-packed quart.


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Thu Oct 27 23:22:06 2011
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:22:06 -0400
Subject: WQPH Correction
In-Reply-To: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAA1FDE.30202@server4.gabrielmass.com>

On 10/27/2011 05:15 PM, Karen McTrotsky wrote:
> The  attacks on the reporter on this story are hypocritical.  We had people
> standing in line to rip her and the newspaper for repeating the claim of a
> radio station operator. Yeah, it was a mistake, yeah, it could and should
> have been caught.

I haven't seen any reason yet to blame the radio station for this 
error.  Has anyone heard from them with an explanation of the discrepancy?

--RC


From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com  Fri Oct 28 10:45:06 2011
From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:45:06 -0400
Subject: Metric system (was RE: WQPH Correction, and a bunch of others)
In-Reply-To: <06be01cc94f2$38f4de30$aade9a90$@com>
References: <CAOWx1LZdqK6y4cT8CCv0-nxggW32XGo+Pnu6F3YTb8-Rzm0iJw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<06be01cc94f2$38f4de30$aade9a90$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY155-W5799833CF4F6CF5514B1BCA8D30@phx.gbl>


Only because the thread doesn't seem to be dying, no matter how off-topic it digresses... 
There's a photo on the innertubes riffing on "The World's Most Interesting Man" (an ad gimmick for Dos Equis beer), presenting a picture of him along with text stating "I don't always use the metric system... but when I do, I'm buying drugs."
I'm guessing he's referring to the 500mg ibuprofen he needs to fight his hangover in the mornings.
Mike  		 	   		  

From attychase@comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 12:42:26 2011
From: attychase@comcast.net (Attorney Robert S Chase)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:42:26 -0400
Subject: Last night Comcast broadcast an EBS test alert every 15 minutes
References: <mailman.1.1319817600.88514.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <C7AC2FBD332548AD8CC1E8791B9C92D7@HomeOffice>

Following up on the discussion about a week ago, last night Comcast broadcast an EBS test alert every 15 minutes. How in the world did that happen? It was on all channels but not at the same time.

Called Comcast and they guy in Bombay, Singapore or wherever said they had escalated the ticket to the higher-ups.

He couldn't answer the question whether anybody was on the switch in the US at the time.





From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct 29 18:11:00 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:11:00 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
Message-ID: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

I found the following advertisement in /Broadcasting/ magazine, April
15, 1939:

	New England's Largest Sports Audience

	For vivid descriptive accounts of baseball, racing, football,
	hockey and other sports, direct from the scene of action, New
	England sports fans listen to The Colonial Network.  These
	broadcasts command the largest sports audiences in New
	England.

	Baseball is first in popularity.  Coincidental telephone
	surveys show that The Colonial Network's play-by-play
	broadcasts of American and National League games have by far
	the largest afternoon audience of any New England radio
	feature.  This year, with Frankie Frisch, former major league
	manager, announcing, the Colonial stations are sure to
	increase this tremendous following.

	The broadcast of the first race direct from Suffolk Downs,
	Rockingham Park or Narragansett is second only to the baseball
	broadcast in the size of its daily audience.

	The Colonial Network covers every important professional,
	collegiate and amateur sports event, from a wrestling bout
	at the Arena to the swimming meet at Harvard---gives the New
	England audience its ports news /as it happens/, completely,
	expertly, entertainingly.

	Here is a ready-made audience, from all income groups, whose
	size and loyalty offer rich sales possibilities.  Only through
	The Colonial Network can you reach this audience.  It makes
	seventeen important markets immediately accessible, a larger
	productive sales territory than can be reached through any
	other medium at equally low cost.

At this time, Colonial was heard on WAAB (Boston), WEAN (Providence),
WICC (Bridgeport and New Haven), WTHT (Hartford), WNLC (New London),
WSAR (Fall River), WSPR (Springfield), WHAI (Greenfield), WBRK
(Pittsfield), WLBZ (Bangor), WFEA (Manchester), WLLH (Lowell and
Lawrence), WNBH (New Bedford), WATR (Waterbury), WLNH (Laconia), WRDO
(Augusta), and WCOU (Lewiston and Auburn).

-GAWollman


From dave@skywaves.net  Sat Oct 29 18:18:10 2011
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:18:10 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4760BB55F2324F0E872CC690FA5F9FC4@dave3>

I wonder how many of those stations still exist, and how many are at their 
original sites...

-d

-----Original Message----- 
From: Garrett Wollman
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:11 PM
To: bri@bostonradio.org
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s


I found the following advertisement in /Broadcasting/ magazine, April
15, 1939:

New England's Largest Sports Audience

For vivid descriptive accounts of baseball, racing, football,
hockey and other sports, direct from the scene of action, New
England sports fans listen to The Colonial Network.  These
broadcasts command the largest sports audiences in New
England.

Baseball is first in popularity.  Coincidental telephone
surveys show that The Colonial Network's play-by-play
broadcasts of American and National League games have by far
the largest afternoon audience of any New England radio
feature.  This year, with Frankie Frisch, former major league
manager, announcing, the Colonial stations are sure to
increase this tremendous following.

The broadcast of the first race direct from Suffolk Downs,
Rockingham Park or Narragansett is second only to the baseball
broadcast in the size of its daily audience.

The Colonial Network covers every important professional,
collegiate and amateur sports event, from a wrestling bout
at the Arena to the swimming meet at Harvard---gives the New
England audience its ports news /as it happens/, completely,
expertly, entertainingly.

Here is a ready-made audience, from all income groups, whose
size and loyalty offer rich sales possibilities.  Only through
The Colonial Network can you reach this audience.  It makes
seventeen important markets immediately accessible, a larger
productive sales territory than can be reached through any
other medium at equally low cost.

At this time, Colonial was heard on WAAB (Boston), WEAN (Providence),
WICC (Bridgeport and New Haven), WTHT (Hartford), WNLC (New London),
WSAR (Fall River), WSPR (Springfield), WHAI (Greenfield), WBRK
(Pittsfield), WLBZ (Bangor), WFEA (Manchester), WLLH (Lowell and
Lawrence), WNBH (New Bedford), WATR (Waterbury), WLNH (Laconia), WRDO
(Augusta), and WCOU (Lewiston and Auburn).

-GAWollman




From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 18:28:09 2011
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:28:09 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CABnTNsOahcj63o6jnBqNNNzxKAOjpRcgs2XN0RwoDi0p4xK7HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nice overview of Colonial here - it was simply Shepard trying to do what
NBC had done with the Red and Blue networks.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tpxGeViyuPwC&lpg=PA103&ots=b2NkropJSE&dq=Colonial%20Network%20radio&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false

I am curious

WAAB was on 1440 in Boston as well and it can be traced back to WLEX in
Lexington.

Now did WAAB use the treansmitter site now used by 1150 (WWDJ but for
decades was WCOP)?

WCOP went fulltime in 1941 and that is at the same time WAAB moved to
Worcester.



On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>wrote:

> I found the following advertisement in /Broadcasting/ magazine, April
> 15, 1939:
>
>        New England's Largest Sports Audience
>
>        For vivid descriptive accounts of baseball, racing, football,
>        hockey and other sports, direct from the scene of action, New
>        England sports fans listen to The Colonial Network.  These
>        broadcasts command the largest sports audiences in New
>        England.
>
>        Baseball is first in popularity.  Coincidental telephone
>        surveys show that The Colonial Network's play-by-play
>        broadcasts of American and National League games have by far
>        the largest afternoon audience of any New England radio
>        feature.  This year, with Frankie Frisch, former major league
>        manager, announcing, the Colonial stations are sure to
>        increase this tremendous following.
>
>        The broadcast of the first race direct from Suffolk Downs,
>        Rockingham Park or Narragansett is second only to the baseball
>        broadcast in the size of its daily audience.
>
>        The Colonial Network covers every important professional,
>        collegiate and amateur sports event, from a wrestling bout
>        at the Arena to the swimming meet at Harvard---gives the New
>        England audience its ports news /as it happens/, completely,
>        expertly, entertainingly.
>
>        Here is a ready-made audience, from all income groups, whose
>        size and loyalty offer rich sales possibilities.  Only through
>        The Colonial Network can you reach this audience.  It makes
>        seventeen important markets immediately accessible, a larger
>        productive sales territory than can be reached through any
>        other medium at equally low cost.
>
> At this time, Colonial was heard on WAAB (Boston), WEAN (Providence),
> WICC (Bridgeport and New Haven), WTHT (Hartford), WNLC (New London),
> WSAR (Fall River), WSPR (Springfield), WHAI (Greenfield), WBRK
> (Pittsfield), WLBZ (Bangor), WFEA (Manchester), WLLH (Lowell and
> Lawrence), WNBH (New Bedford), WATR (Waterbury), WLNH (Laconia), WRDO
> (Augusta), and WCOU (Lewiston and Auburn).
>
> -GAWollman
>
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct 29 19:34:18 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:34:18 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <4760BB55F2324F0E872CC690FA5F9FC4@dave3>
References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4760BB55F2324F0E872CC690FA5F9FC4@dave3>
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<<On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:18:10 -0400, "Dave Doherty" <dave@skywaves.net> said:

> I wonder how many of those stations still exist, and how many are at their 
> original sites...

[I had written:]

> At this time, Colonial was heard on WAAB (Boston), WEAN (Providence),
> WICC (Bridgeport and New Haven), WTHT (Hartford), WNLC (New London),
> WSAR (Fall River), WSPR (Springfield), WHAI (Greenfield), WBRK
> (Pittsfield), WLBZ (Bangor), WFEA (Manchester), WLLH (Lowell and
> Lawrence), WNBH (New Bedford), WATR (Waterbury), WLNH (Laconia), WRDO
> (Augusta), and WCOU (Lewiston and Auburn).

WNLC and WTHT are the only ones that no longer exist AFAIK.  WNLC was
deleted some years back, and WTHT died in 1954 when the /Hartford
Times/ got out of radio.  (Its 1230 kHz allocation was later
reactivated for a station in Manchester.)  WAAB is now in Worcester as
WVEI.

In a common practice at the time, most of the stations were affiliates
of some other network; Shepard's WAAB had Mutual, but WEAN was NBC
Blue, and WSPR appears to have been NBC Red.  Before the FCC's
chain-monopoly hearings, Shepard noted that only CBS and NBC Red had
enough programming to justify exclusivity; he said that WNAC was paid
$5000 a month in compensation for carrying NBC Red in Boston, but WEAN
received only $800 a month for carrying NBC Blue in Providence, hence
the need to supplement Blue with another network's programming.

-GAWollman

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct 29 19:37:49 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:37:49 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <CABnTNsOahcj63o6jnBqNNNzxKAOjpRcgs2XN0RwoDi0p4xK7HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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<<On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:28:09 -0400, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> said:

> WAAB was on 1440 in Boston as well and it can be traced back to WLEX in
> Lexington.

> Now did WAAB use the treansmitter site now used by 1150 (WWDJ but for
> decades was WCOP)?

No.  WAAB was diplexed with WNAC in Quincy.  (At the old site, not the
current 1260 site on the south bank of the Neponset River.)

> WCOP went fulltime in 1941 and that is at the same time WAAB moved to
> Worcester.

Just a coincidence.

-GAWollman


From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Oct 29 19:49:22 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:49:22 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4EAC9102.7050209@donnahalper.com>

On 10/29/2011 6:11 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> I found the following advertisement in /Broadcasting/ magazine, April
> 15, 1939:
>
> 	[snippage]	Baseball is first in popularity.  Coincidental telephone
> 	surveys show that The Colonial Network's play-by-play
> 	broadcasts of American and National League games have by far
> 	the largest afternoon audience of any New England radio
> 	feature.  This year, with Frankie Frisch, former major league
> 	manager, announcing, the Colonial stations are sure to
> 	increase this tremendous following.
>    

Beginning in about 1928 and continuing through the mid-1930s, the 
play-by-play was done by Fred Hoey.  Shepard and Hoey had a very 
tumultuous relationship, and Shepard fired Hoey several times in the 
early 1930s; but the fans demanded his reinstatement and Shepard brought 
him back.  By 1938-1939, the situation was untenable, evidently, because 
Shepard hired Frankie Frisch.  He only lasted a year, I believe.  
(Shepard was notoriously hard to get along with, as old-timers can 
attest.  He paid well, however, and when he fired you, you didn't 
necessarily stay fired.)

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Oct 29 20:07:10 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:07:10 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <20140.36218.446570.41053@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<4760BB55F2324F0E872CC690FA5F9FC4@dave3>
	<20140.36218.446570.41053@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 10/29/2011 7:34 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
> WNLC and WTHT are the only ones that no longer exist AFAIK.  WNLC was
> deleted some years back,
>    

Evidently, it still was in operation in the late 1960s, and into the 
1970s and 80s before it was sold and its call letters were changed.  The 
WNLC call letters have re-appeared in the market, but it's not the same 
station.  Anyway, list-member Robert Paine has a very thorough station 
history, with old transmitter photos here:  
http://www.hartfordradiohistory.com/WNLC__AM_.html

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct 29 21:22:25 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:22:25 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <4EAC9102.7050209@donnahalper.com>
References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<4EAC9102.7050209@donnahalper.com>
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<<On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:49:22 -0400, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> said:

> him back.  By 1938-1939, the situation was untenable, evidently, because 
> Shepard hired Frankie Frisch.  He only lasted a year, I believe.  

Frisch was in between managing jobs when he was hired by Shepard.  He
had been player-manager with the Cardinals, and stayed on as manager
when he retired from playing, until 1938.  He managed the Pirates from
1940 to 1946, and the Cubs from 1949 to 1951.

-GAWollman

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 30 08:01:56 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:01:56 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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Was WAAB still licensed to Boston at the time of NARBA (3/29/1941)? Or
had it already moved to Worcester? My guess is that it did not move to
Worcester until 1943 or 1944. I believe that the FCC outlawed
duopolies in 1943 and, rather than lose the license, Sheppard moved
the station to Worcester at that time. Presumably, therefore, the
diplex with WNAC existed post NARBA. Oh, and the shared tower was
reportedly a Blaw-Knox diamond. Anyone have any details on it? Height?
(My guess is that the height was no greater than 350', which would
have been half-wave at 1400. That was likely WAAB's frequency
pre-NARBA.) I imagine that if a photo of the tower exists anywhere,
Donna either has the photo or knows of its whereabouts.

Would a 350' tower at that location have caused problems with Logan
Airport? Isn't that site in the glide path? The towers at WMKI's
current site, which is not very far from the old site, are only ~200',
give or take.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
>
> WNLC and WTHT are the only ones that no longer exist AFAIK.  WNLC
> was
> deleted some years back, and WTHT died in 1954 when the /Hartford
> Times/ got out of radio.  (Its 1230 kHz allocation was later
> reactivated for a station in Manchester.)  WAAB is now in Worcester
> as
> WVEI.
>
> -GAWollman


From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net  Sun Oct 30 08:43:22 2011
From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:43:22 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
Message-ID: <20111030084322.eibjf3o8ms8ck804@webmail.myfairpoint.net>

I thought WTHT moved to 1410 and eventually became WGTH, then WPOP.? -Doug

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:01:56 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"  wrote:
Was WAAB still licensed to Boston at the time of NARBA (3/29/1941)? Or
> had it already moved to Worcester? My guess is that it did not move to
> Worcester until 1943 or 1944. I believe that the FCC outlawed
> duopolies in 1943 and, rather than lose the license, Sheppard moved
> the station to Worcester at that time. Presumably, therefore, the
> diplex with WNAC existed post NARBA. Oh, and the shared tower was
> reportedly a Blaw-Knox diamond. Anyone have any details on it? Height?
> (My guess is that the height was no greater than 350', which would
> have been half-wave at 1400. That was likely WAAB's frequency
> pre-NARBA.) I imagine that if a photo of the tower exists anywhere,
> Donna either has the photo or knows of its whereabouts. 
>
> Would a 350' tower at that location have caused problems with Logan
> Airport? Isn't that site in the glide path? The towers at WMKI's
> current site, which is not very far from the old site, are only ~200',
> give or take. 
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
> >
> > WNLC and WTHT are the only ones that no longer exist AFAIK.  WNLC
> > was
> > deleted some years back, and WTHT died in 1954 when the /Hartford
> > Times/ got out of radio.  (Its 1230 kHz allocation was later
> > reactivated for a station in Manchester.)  WAAB is now in Worcester
> > as
> > WVEI. 
> >
> > -GAWollman
>
>




From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sun Oct 30 11:46:58 2011
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:46:58 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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On 10/30/2011 8:01 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Was WAAB still licensed to Boston at the time of NARBA (3/29/1941)? Or
> had it already moved to Worcester? My guess is that it did not move to
> Worcester until 1943 or 1944.

Actually, WAAB left Boston in the summer of 1942 and officially took to 
the airwaves in Worcester on December 13, 1942.

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct 30 17:33:41 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:33:41 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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References: <20140.31220.766133.17368@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4760BB55F2324F0E872CC690FA5F9FC4@dave3>	<20140.36218.446570.41053@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<874654F34E434A76A068031D9141BF5A@SatU205S5044>
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On 10/30/2011 8:01 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> (My guess is that the height was no greater than 350', which would
> have been half-wave at 1400. That was likely WAAB's frequency
> pre-NARBA.) I imagine that if a photo of the tower exists anywhere,
> Donna either has the photo or knows of its whereabouts.

WAAB was at 1410, actually (with only minor exceptions, everything from 
1200-1450 moved 30 kc up the dial in NARBA), and I'm pretty sure its 
shared tower with WNAC was considerably shorter than 350'.

It was also, as best I've been able to discern, the very first licensed 
vertical radiator used for AM in the US.

s

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Oct 30 18:12:59 2011
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:12:59 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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<<On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:33:41 -0400, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> It was also, as best I've been able to discern, the very first licensed 
> vertical radiator used for AM in the US.

I was just reading an ad for Lehigh claiming to have built the first
shunt-fed vertical radiator (or perhaps the first shunt-fed two-tower
DA), for WHP.  (As we know, there's only one of these left in the
country, if not the world, at KOAC.)

-GAWollman


From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct 30 18:15:14 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:15:14 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
In-Reply-To: <20141.52203.662948.629924@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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On 10/30/2011 6:12 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:33:41 -0400, Scott Fybush<scott@fybush.com>  said:
>
>> It was also, as best I've been able to discern, the very first licensed
>> vertical radiator used for AM in the US.
>
> I was just reading an ad for Lehigh claiming to have built the first
> shunt-fed vertical radiator (or perhaps the first shunt-fed two-tower
> DA), for WHP.  (As we know, there's only one of these left in the
> country, if not the world, at KOAC.)

This raises some interesting questions, since WHP didn't move to its 
present 580 facility until after WWII; before that, it was on 1430/1460.

I suspect the answer to the question may come in the form of a book: 
longtime WHP CE Tim Portzline just wrote a "Harrisburg Radio" volume for 
Arcadia, and I've been meaning to get my hands on a copy anyway.

s

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Oct 30 19:54:04 2011
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:54:04 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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On 10/30/2011 7:51 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> Now, does WCMB still use the original WHP two-tower array? If so, it
> might legitimately be called the first AM DA STILL IN OPERATION in the
> US.

1460 (now WTKT) has moved at least once, and possibly twice, since the 
days of WHP on that frequency. The current 1460 array is just east of 
the 580 array on the west side of the Susquehanna, and is only a few 
years old.

> Regarding Blaw-Knox diamonds, by my calculations, WFEA's Blaw-Knox
> diamond is 350' high (175.4 degrees at 1370). So if the WNAC/WAAB
> tower WAS that high, WFEA may have its identical twin--and, of course,
> WFEA's tower is still standing. If I'm not mistaken, WLW's and WSM's
> diamonds are honored by historical markers. WFEA's diamond, though
> considerably shorter, might be older than at least one of those two.
> Is there a historical marker at the WFEA site?

Not that I know of.

s

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 30 19:51:46 2011
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:51:46 -0400
Subject: Sports radio in the 1930s
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Are you suggesting that the very first AM DA in the US (at WFLA/WSUN)
was NOT shunt fed? I am NOT talking about the array at the current
site that preceded the current array. I'm talking about the station's
original two-tower array at a different site--the one that used a
transmission line as a (distributed) phasor and was replaced by the
old (and now defunct) array at the current site.

Now, does WCMB still use the original WHP two-tower array? If so, it
might legitimately be called the first AM DA STILL IN OPERATION in the
US.

Regarding Blaw-Knox diamonds, by my calculations, WFEA's Blaw-Knox
diamond is 350' high (175.4 degrees at 1370). So if the WNAC/WAAB
tower WAS that high, WFEA may have its identical twin--and, of course,
WFEA's tower is still standing. If I'm not mistaken, WLW's and WSM's
diamonds are honored by historical markers. WFEA's diamond, though
considerably shorter, might be older than at least one of those two.
Is there a historical marker at the WFEA site?

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Subject: Re: Sports radio in the 1930s


> I was just reading an ad for Lehigh claiming to have built the first
> shunt-fed vertical radiator (or perhaps the first shunt-fed
> two-tower
> DA), for WHP.  (As we know, there's only one of these left in the
> country, if not the world, at KOAC.)
>
> -GAWollman
>