From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Mar 1 03:19:33 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 03:19:33 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044> <7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Gallagher may have been on WNYM at one point, but he replaced Beck on WOR (and yes, weird to have the Salem-syndie guy on WOR but not WNYM). WNYM acc to their schedule page doesn't have Beck--they have Salem's Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, and Dennis Praeger; WW1's Dennis Miller, Fox News Talk's John Gibson, and their own Curtis Sliwa (who actually does 2 shows a day on 970 WNYM). Beck may not be on in NYC at the moment. Beck's site, radio page, incorrectly lists him as being on WOR. WOR has John Gambling in morning drive, then Gallagher (not sure if Salem's paying WOR to run him) then other hosts like Joan Hamburg, Michael Savage, Steve Malzburg, and Michael Smerconish, (Checked websites of each station) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 1 07:28:31 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 06:28:31 -0600 Subject: WBZS-550 returns In-Reply-To: References: <1102282031251290@chowda.com> Message-ID: And now an email from Craig says it's been put off till Wednesday at the earliest. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > This comes from Craig Healy in Providence, RI via the IRCA DX Email list. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Craig Healy > > > The 550 station formerly Radio Disney in the Providence market is scheduled > to go back on the air Tuesday around noon. Salem Communications purchased > it and will be doing Bloomberg Business Radio. And *NO* HD Radio! > > Craig Healy > Providence, RI > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Mar 2 11:39:06 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:39:06 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044> <7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044> <8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeff Katz was on until 10AM this morning...he stated on the air that "we are now on to 10". He is still followed by Beck. I wasn't up early enough to find out if Katz is going 5 hours now, or if his whole shift got moved to 6 to 10. Their website still has the old schedule. -Bob On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:19 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > > Gallagher may have been on WNYM at one point, but he replaced Beck on WOR > (and yes, weird to have the Salem-syndie guy on WOR but not WNYM). WNYM acc > to their schedule page doesn't have Beck--they have Salem's Hugh Hewitt, > Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, and Dennis Praeger; WW1's Dennis Miller, Fox > News Talk's John Gibson, and their own Curtis Sliwa (who actually does 2 > shows a day on 970 WNYM). Beck may not be on in NYC at the moment. Beck's > site, radio page, incorrectly lists him as being on WOR. > > WOR has John Gambling in morning drive, then Gallagher (not sure if Salem's > paying WOR to run him) then other hosts like Joan Hamburg, Michael Savage, > Steve Malzburg, and Michael Smerconish, (Checked websites of each station) > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 2 12:09:32 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:09:32 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044> <7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044> <8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> Katz did start at 5:00AM today, 3/2. They may not have gotten the new schedule onto the Web site but I have yet to hear anyone make the mistake of referring to Rush Radio. Such changes never seem to go off without a few references to the old positioner or call sign (when calls have been changed). So unless they drop their guard in the coming days, I think the folks at Revere Beach Parkway get the highest marks for executing the change. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > Jeff Katz was on until 10AM this morning...he stated on the air that > "we are > now on to > 10". He is still followed by Beck. > > I wasn't up early enough to find out if Katz is going 5 hours now, > or if his > whole shift got moved to 6 to 10. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Mar 2 12:40:27 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:40:27 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044> <7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044> <8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I heard a promo at lunch indicating that Katz is now on from 5 to 10, confirming what Dan noted. I guess they are being successful at selling local ad time to fill all those slots - even though they still seem to have a fair share of PSAs in the mix. -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 2 15:25:21 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:25:21 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044><7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044><8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> <8CDA72D4C58B590-194C-102B2@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Imus continues to noon? The network must re-feed a couple of hours after 10:00AM for benefit of the west-coast afils. Those repeat hours would run from 7:00 to 9:00AM on the west coast. So what does WE (err, WPKZ) run from 7:00 to 9:00 Eastern? Something local? Seems like the time of day when the local advertisers would want their commercials to run. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" > >To: "Bob Nelson" >Cc: ; ; > >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 This must be the week for shaking up morning lineups. WPKZ-AM 1280/W287BT-FM 105.3 in Fitchburg has added "Imus in the Mourning" (yes, I know) from 6:00 am until 7:00 am and then picks it up again from 9:00 am until noon, thus jettisoning Brian Kilmeade. The station goes back to Fox Talk Network for John Gibson at noon and Hannity after that. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 4 00:17:02 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:17:02 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > New logo and identity for Rush Radio Boston, now Boston Talk 1200 or > just Talk 1200. They are apparently de-emphasizing the Rush radio > part; I was talking with some radio people in Florida the other day; apparently talk formats in Florida and elsewhere have been absolutely clobbered by the PPM. It was suggested that many dittoheads were reporting in their diaries that they listened to Rush 12n-3p, 5 days a week, but the PPM shows that they actually tune out at the first break after the opening monologue and few come back for the rest of the hour (never mind the rest of the show). The big winners are "safe for work" music formats which are often left on all day in retail establishments, medical offices, and similar establishments. (The top-rated station in Orlando is WPOZ, a noncommercial contemporary Christian station run by Jim Hoge, the designer of the Texar Audio Prism; the station has a huge outdoor presence (the only station in town to do either billboards or bumper stickers) and is the EAS LP-1 for the Orlando market. They do two minutes of underwriting an hour (Jim says he can see the listeners tuning out during the stop set from the PPM data) and ten days of fund-raising a year.) -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 12:46:38 2011 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: WZMY TV Channel 50 Derry NH in process of being sold? Message-ID: <320504.16772.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I read in the Friday print edition of the New Hampshire Union Leader that WZMY channel 50 in Derry NH is in the process of being sold to politician and businessman Bill Binney He is looking to use the call sign WBIN. John B From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 14:07:10 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:07:10 -0500 Subject: WZMY TV Channel 50 Derry NH in process of being sold? In-Reply-To: <320504.16772.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <320504.16772.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Binnie+to+acquire+Derry+TV+station&articleId=d2a41a52-14e4-4d72-b065-5746bf08843a WZMY certainly looks a lot better on the air since their analog transmitter went to the landfill. Here is my dumb question ... How does 50 qualify under must carry and WMUR does not? On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:46 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > I read in the Friday print edition of the New Hampshire Union Leader that > WZMY channel 50 in Derry NH is in the process of being sold to politician > and businessman Bill Binney He is looking to use the call sign WBIN. > > John B > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 5 15:30:25 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:30:25 -0500 Subject: WZMY TV Channel 50 Derry NH in process of being sold? In-Reply-To: References: <320504.16772.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19826.40289.101320.990245@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Here is my dumb question ... How does 50 qualify under must carry and WMUR > does not? What makes you think it doesn't? I'm quite certain that Hearst elects for retrans-consent, not must-carry, in the Boston market, so it simply doesn't come up. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 5 16:47:08 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:47:08 -0500 Subject: Old posts Message-ID: <19826.44892.577591.533219@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I'm about to let through a number of old posts that got caught in the moderation queue while I was (preparing to leave) on vacation the past couple of weeks. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed Mar 2 15:12:32 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:12:32 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><29463B7923A84E718B438DFEA60B22DD@SatU205S5044><7E43B1B2C22A439C87987937C9C96C45@SatU205S5044><8CDA600878A0839-CD4-1FB2@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <883BB666220749EC935710C7A1CA2F40@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8CDA72D4C58B590-194C-102B2@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan.Strassberg >To: Bob DeMattia ; Bob Nelson >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 12:09 pm >Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >Katz did start at 5:00AM today, 3/2. They may not have gotten the new >schedule onto the Web site but I have yet to hear anyone make the >mistake of referring to Rush Radio. Such changes never seem to go off >without a few references to the old positioner or call sign (when >calls have been changed). So unless they drop their guard in the >coming days, I think the folks at Revere Beach Parkway get the highest >marks for executing the change. >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >eFax 1-707-215-6367 >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" >To: "Bob Nelson" >Cc: ; ; > >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > Jeff Katz was on until 10AM this morning...he stated on the air that > "we are > now on to > 10". He is still followed by Beck. > > I wasn't up early enough to find out if Katz is going 5 hours now, > or if his > whole shift got moved to 6 to 10. This must be the week for shaking up morning lineups. WPKZ-AM 1280/W287BT-FM 105.3 in Fitchburg has added "Imus in the Mourning" (yes, I know) from 6:00 am until 7:00 am and then picks it up again from 9:00 am until noon, thus jettisoning Brian Kilmeade. The station goes back to Fox Talk Network for John Gibson at noon and Hannity after that. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 5 19:50:34 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 19:50:34 -0500 Subject: Larry Kilgallen Message-ID: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> I don't know how many list-members go back to the old WTBS (back when it was at MIT) and WMBR in the late 1960s and early 1970s. If you do, you may recall Larry Kilgallen, who did on air work and engineering there for a long time, and had one of the best old phone numbers-- TNT-WHAM. Later, Larry went on to a career in computer programming and computer security. I knew Larry for a number of years and he was a truly good human being. So, I was saddened to learn he lost his battle with cancer several days ago. He was my age, and once again, it reminds us that if you've got your health, you've got everything. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 5 19:31:06 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 19:31:06 -0500 Subject: I Hope The WFEA-AM Towers Are Still Up Message-ID: <20110305193106.glf4pzuu3wrosg8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Is there a New Hampshire state historical marker on Route 3 in front of that tower, or am I dreaming? If there isn't, there ought to be; I would say the tower is certainly of historical significance. It's pretty darned impressive, and widely known to broadcasting buffs. I saw the WLW tower once when I was a kid. HUGE. -Doug Quoting lglavin@mail.com: > > High winds in southern New Hampshire have caused power outages in part of the > Granite State. > As of noon today (Saturday, 02/19), WFEA 1370-AM in Manchester, NH > seems to be > off-the-air. This > would not normally be of interest to most people not associated with > ownership > or management, > except for the fact that its two-tower array is a relic of an earlier > period in > broadcasting. One tower, > shorter than the other is a flagpole design, sort of like the WLLH-AM > stick in > Lawrence; the > other, a taller diamond-shaped tower resembles the iconic WLW stick in > Cincinnati. It amazes > me that Scott hasn't run a photo of the WFEA site in one of his > calendars. (He's run KTAR-AM > 620 in Phoenix, AZ twice). I hope the wind hasn't blown down either > or both of > these towers; > they've been around for a LONG time, so they've survived windstorms and even > hurricanes before. > BTW: if you go to radio-locator.com, enter WFEA; switch the image > from map to > satellite and > ZOOM IN as close as you can, you can SEE the shadow of the diamond tower! > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 20:44:39 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:44:39 -0500 Subject: Larry Kilgallen In-Reply-To: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: I first met Larry in 1967 when he was at MIT He had call forwarding on his phone - long before Bell Labs released it to the world :) sigh On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I don't know how many list-members go back to the old WTBS (back when it > was at MIT) and WMBR in the late 1960s and early 1970s. If you do, you may > recall Larry Kilgallen, who did on air work and engineering there for a long > time, and had one of the best old phone numbers-- TNT-WHAM. Later, Larry > went on to a career in computer programming and computer security. I knew > Larry for a number of years and he was a truly good human being. So, I was > saddened to learn he lost his battle with cancer several days ago. He was > my age, and once again, it reminds us that if you've got your health, you've > got everything. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 20:52:08 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:52:08 -0500 Subject: Larry Kilgallen In-Reply-To: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: For those who knew Larry - here is obit from the Globe http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=lawrence-joseph-kilgallen&pid=149093066 On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I don't know how many list-members go back to the old WTBS (back when it > was at MIT) and WMBR in the late 1960s and early 1970s. If you do, you may > recall Larry Kilgallen, who did on air work and engineering there for a long > time, and had one of the best old phone numbers-- TNT-WHAM. Later, Larry > went on to a career in computer programming and computer security. I knew > Larry for a number of years and he was a truly good human being. So, I was > saddened to learn he lost his battle with cancer several days ago. He was > my age, and once again, it reminds us that if you've got your health, you've > got everything. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 21:58:58 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 21:58:58 -0500 Subject: I Hope The WFEA-AM Towers Are Still Up In-Reply-To: <20110305193106.glf4pzuu3wrosg8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110305193106.glf4pzuu3wrosg8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: It is my favorite tower in New England. http://www.flickr.com/photos/docsearls/3850929396/ On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > Is there a New Hampshire state historical marker on Route 3 in front of > that tower, or am I dreaming? If there isn't, there ought to be; I would say > the tower is certainly of historical significance. It's pretty darned > impressive, and widely known to broadcasting buffs. > I saw the WLW tower once when I was a kid. HUGE. > -Doug > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 5 22:40:43 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:40:43 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? Message-ID: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, in New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 22:48:12 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 03:48:12 +0000 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <432642506-1299383294-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1554245973-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> WEEI (former WHDH) in Needham has to be close to the top. -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Drown" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:40:43 To: Subject: Tallest tower? The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, in New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 5 23:23:20 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 23:23:20 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to > wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, in > New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by physical height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). The tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 5 23:29:46 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 23:29:46 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19827.3514.251684.725640@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at > 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD > (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 > degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). I should note that I did not make any effort to screen out non-current records (either applications or former facilities). I did screen out stations which have never been built, because that was easy. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 5 22:36:00 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:36:00 -0500 Subject: I Hope The WFEA-AM Towers Are Still Up Message-ID: <20110305223600.rs5k358i9qpwc4kg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Nice shot! Those cumulus clouds make the photo. -Doug Quoting Kevin Vahey : It is my favorite tower in New England. http://www.flickr.com/photos/docsearls/3850929396/ On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Doug Drown wrote: Is there a New Hampshire state historical marker on Route 3 in front of that tower, or am I dreaming? If there isn't, there ought to be; I would say the tower is certainly of historical significance. It's pretty darned impressive, and widely known to broadcasting buffs. I saw the WLW tower once when I was a kid. HUGE. -Doug From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Mar 5 23:35:25 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:35:25 -0600 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: But i don't think WNBH-AM's entire tower is used for the AM? So do we count an AM's unipole/skirt/similar system only or the entire tower, radiator for the AM or not? Paul On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> said: > > > The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to > > wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, in > > New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug > > Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by physical > height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). The > tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at > 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). > > In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at > 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD > (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 > degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). > > -GAWollman > From radio88@radio88.net Sun Mar 6 00:11:21 2011 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:11:21 -0500 Subject: Larry Kilgallen Message-ID: I was Larry's engineer for "The WTBS News at 9" for a number of years, often playing my weather on cart or doing it live from the combo control room. I can still hear Larry yelling in talk-back, "WRONG CUT! WRONG CUT!" when I played something out of order. He was a master at typing his script (on an old Underwood) in the studio, while actualities were playing. I learned a lot from him. This April 10 is the 50th anniversary of FM radio at MIT, and we're having a reunion. I was really looking forward to seeing him then. Rest in peace. ========================== Todd Glickman Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net http://www.radioweather.net Todd Glickman '77 Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, W98-400 600 Memorial Drive, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 6 01:31:23 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 01:31:23 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But i don't think WNBH-AM's entire tower is used for the AM? The FCC does. >> Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by physical >> height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). The >> tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at >> 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). The "electrical height" in CDBS counts only the radiating element. (Top-loaded and sectionalized setups use a different database field, which is why KFBK doesn't show up with its full-wave towers. The way CDBS stores these makes it hard to do a search that correctly handles all the special cases.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Mar 6 08:18:07 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:18:07 +0000 Subject: Happy Birthday Scott Message-ID: <1652862964-1299417489-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1389743441-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Happy Birthday Scott From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Mar 6 09:27:01 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:27:01 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002d01cbdc0a$8f8b8420$aea28c60$@net> > > But i don't think WNBH-AM's entire tower is used for the AM? > > The FCC does. The tower is what's radiating WNBH, but not the entire thing. The top part has a detuning skirt. you can see it on http://www.necrat.us/wnbh_proam.html Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dave@skywaves.net Sun Mar 6 09:41:35 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:41:35 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5F57B2A651894A9981746F74717B5E26@dave> WPMZ 1110 kHz in Providence has two towers in East Providence, one of which is 222 degrees electrical height, 167.4 m, 549'. Atop this tower is the FM antenna shared by WHJY and WBRU. WEEI is 207 degrees electrical height, so this one apparently comes in close to #2 in both electrical height (to WNBH) and physical height (to WEEI ). I checked the FAA database, and the tallest tower of any kind in New England is the WGME-TV tower in Portland at 1624' AGL. #2 at 1350' AGL is the Boylston tower northeast of Worcester. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Garrett Wollman" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:23 PM To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Subject: Re: Tallest tower? > > < said: > >> The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to >> wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, in >> New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug > > Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by physical > height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). The > tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at > 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). > > In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at > 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD > (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 > degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). > > -GAWollman > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 6 11:17:39 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:17:39 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <5F57B2A651894A9981746F74717B5E26@dave> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5F57B2A651894A9981746F74717B5E26@dave> Message-ID: <19827.45987.829056.599181@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I checked the FAA database, and the tallest tower of any kind in New England > is the WGME-TV tower in Portland at 1624' AGL. Yep, for a brief time after it was built, it was the tallest structure in the world. Until recently, that crown belonged to the KVLY tower near Fargo, N.D., at 2,063 feet, which is still the tallest structure in the western hemisphere, but lost its world title to the Burj Khalifa (formerly Burj Dubai) in Dubai. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 6 13:45:29 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:45:29 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net><19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19827.3514.251684.725640@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6595FE9C3A0348F9A2F88BF027D0F446@SatU205S5044> The WRDT tower is a Folded Unipole on a communications tower, known as the Mo-Tower. I believe it is in Southfield MI, which abuts the northern border of Detroit. WRDT, a Class D AM (daytimer), is licensed to Monroe MI, 41 miles to the south (about midway between Detroit and Toledo). WRDT uses the Mo-Tower only at night for its 13W-ND unprotected night service. WRDT's day site, south of Monroe, runs 500W into a four-tower array that sends a teardrop pattern north-northeastward along the Lake Erie shoreline and delivers a surprisingly good signal to Detroit. I find the most fascinating thing about all this to be that the US's tallest (and almost surely North America's tallest) AM tower is used only for the unprotected night service of a daytimer. In all likelihood, despite the tower's high radiation efficiency, the 13W night signal is inaudble 41 miles away in WRDT's CoL. I don't know if Scott or Garrett have ever photographed the Mo-Tower, but I think it deserves to appear in Tower Site of the Week. I have no idea what other broadcast services (FM or TV) originate from the Mo-Tower. I also don't know what sort of ground system WRDT has installed around the base of the Mo-Tower. If there are no buildings within the circle that passes though the outer guy anchors, the ground system could be quite extensive. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Tallest tower? > < >> In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at >> 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD >> (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 >> degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). > > I should note that I did not make any effort to screen out > non-current > records (either applications or former facilities). I did screen > out > stations which have never been built, because that was easy. > > -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 6 14:09:15 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:09:15 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net><19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <745FD515B54F4A40976B4E289FBAABC5@SatU205S5044> You are correct, sir! The top portion of the tower is skirted and driven with a signal that nulls out the 1340-kHz current in the upper section. I believe that the tower is electrically just shy of 180 degrees at 1340, IOW ~370'. Unfortunately, CDBS does not seem to recognize that the AM antenna does not use the entire tower. As for WEEI's towers, only one (the westernmost of the three) is 650 or 660' high. Actually, I thought it was 640'. I believe the center tower is 600' and the eastern tower is 560'. The purpose of using towers of different heights was to reduce the effect of interference between the groundwave and the reflected skywave, an idea that was also tried at a few other stations. (KSTP's three-tower night array is one. KSTP uses a center-fed Franklin for its ND day operation.) In WEEI's case, the attempt to minimize the effect of the reflected skywave on the grounwave signal was not a success. BTW, the tallest AM tower in the US after WRDT must be WNAX (Yankton SD) at 910'. The WNAX tower must certainly be the tallest self-supporting AM tower in the US. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Tallest tower? > But i don't think WNBH-AM's entire tower is used for the AM? So do > we count > an AM's unipole/skirt/similar system only or the entire tower, > radiator for > the AM or not? > > Paul > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > >> <> revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> said: >> >> > The thread on the WFEA and other Blaw-Knox towers got me to >> > wondering: What is the tallest AM radio tower, or set of towers, >> > in >> > New England? (Not that size is everything . . . [ahem]) -Doug >> >> Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by >> physical >> height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). >> The >> tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at >> 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). >> >> In the whole country, the winners are WRDT (560 Monroe, Mich.) at >> 302.6 m (992.8 ft or 203.4 electrical degrees) and, jointly, KLSD >> (1360 San Diego, Calif.) and WTTN (1580 Watertown, Wisc.) at 285.7 >> degrees (nearly 4/5 wave, 573 ft for KLSD and 494 ft for WTTN). >> >> -GAWollman >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 6 14:31:32 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:31:32 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net><19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: As I said in a previous post, the WEEI towers are of unequal height. I don't think any of the three is exactly 207 degrees. The CDBS record for WEEI carries a note that the 207-degree height shown for all three is the average. Within the last year or so, Entercom applied for a modification of license to show the actual height of each of the the towers. I thought that a license to cover had already been granted for this modification, which involved no physical changes to anything. But unless I looked at an out-of-date record, the license to cover has not yet been granted. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:31 AM Subject: Re: Tallest tower? > < said: > >> But i don't think WNBH-AM's entire tower is used for the AM? > > The FCC does. > >>> Good question. According to CDBS, the tallest AM tower(s) by >>> physical >>> height in New England belong(s) to WEEI, at 198.1 m (649.9 ft). >>> The >>> tallest AM tower by electrical height in New England is WNBH's, at >>> 243.8 degrees (2/3 wave or 497.3 ft). > > The "electrical height" in CDBS counts only the radiating element. > (Top-loaded and sectionalized setups use a different database field, > which is why KFBK doesn't show up with its full-wave towers. The > way > CDBS stores these makes it hard to do a search that correctly > handles > all the special cases.) > > -GAWollman > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Mar 6 16:50:16 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:50:16 -0500 Subject: Donna Halper interview Message-ID: <8CDAA5F9D42DA13-1AE0-983B@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> It's a Sunday and Donna Halper is on the radio talking about radio with someone named Bob... :) 25 minutes long. About her new book on Boston radio and radio in general http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/Halper.mp3 From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Mar 6 17:32:14 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: Donna Halper interview In-Reply-To: <8CDAA5F9D42DA13-1AE0-983B@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDAA5F9D42DA13-1AE0-983B@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <030001cbdc4e$5950abd0$0bf20370$@com> Speaking of Auntie Donna- She will be giving a talk about radio (and her book) at the March 15th meeting of PART (the Police Amateur Radio Team of Westford). 7:30pm in the meeting room at the Westford Police Station. The public is more than welcome to attend - it is FREE (a word every radio guy likes). Please let me know if you would be attending so I can give the club a heads-up on how many over and above the normal club member level may be attending. Gary, W1GFF -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:50 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Donna Halper interview It's a Sunday and Donna Halper is on the radio talking about radio with someone named Bob... :) 25 minutes long. About her new book on Boston radio and radio in general http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/Halper.mp3 From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 15:14:57 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:14:57 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> From: "Garrett Wollman" > It was suggested that many dittoheads were > reporting in their diaries that they listened to Rush 12n-3p, 5 days a > week, but the PPM shows that they actually tune out at the first break > after the opening monologue and few come back for the rest of the hour > (never mind the rest of the show). The big winners are "safe for > work" music formats which are often left on all day in retail > establishments, medical offices, and similar establishments. It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system was the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. When people were forces to recall listeneing, the big names always came to mind. Rush, Severin, Delilah, Howie, etc....all memorable, textural talent, did well under the old system. People would respond that they listened to, say they listened to the entire shows (Maybe it felt like that, or the listeners thought they actually listened to the entire shows every day). In reality, they were in an out....listening for much shorter spans than they even knew themselves. Talent who would "make noise" and get talked about and were different enough to be memorable, were enough to do well under the diary system which depended on memory. As Garrett said, non-descript talent "safe for work" music intensive formats are set to do well under the PPM. I think we will see more and more talent being marginalized. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 7 16:51:25 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> Message-ID: <003301cbdd11$d233e530$769baf90$@com> > As Garrett said, non-descript talent "safe for work" music intensive > formats > are set to do well under the PPM. > > I think we will see more and more talent being marginalized. > Using that logic, radio is now doomed to become even more generic and plain vanilla with no personality whatsoever. From gjspatola@q.com Mon Mar 7 16:59:01 2011 From: gjspatola@q.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:59:01 -0800 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on Message-ID: <7B13394A41BC4DE5AA823C0AB4F9CDF0@HomePC> I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I am absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." Glenn From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Mar 7 23:08:56 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:08:56 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on Message-ID: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> You are indeed correct. BTW: Does anyone know why 'BZ, during the Sixties, began and ended its daytime programs on the half-hour rather than the hour? I always thought that was peculiar. -Doug Quoting Glenn and Judy Spatola : > > I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I am > absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by > saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." > > > Glenn > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Mar 8 00:31:04 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 00:31:04 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <181B42F4E4844E879BDB296B1866244C@PaulPC> Maybe the same reason TBS used to start all their shows at :05.......to keep the people tuned in(?), so they wouldn't stray to other stations... -Paul Hopfgarten -----Original Message----- From: Doug Drown Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:08 PM To: =?utf-8?b??= ; Glenn and Judy Spatola Subject: Re: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on You are indeed correct. BTW: Does anyone know why 'BZ, during the Sixties, began and ended its daytime programs on the half-hour rather than the hour? I always thought that was peculiar. -Doug Quoting Glenn and Judy Spatola : > > I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I > am > absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by > saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." > > > Glenn > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 8 00:34:35 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 00:34:35 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> Message-ID: <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> On 3/7/2011 3:14 PM, Don wrote: > It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system was > the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. OK, what's PPM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 8 00:36:19 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 00:36:19 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <7B13394A41BC4DE5AA823C0AB4F9CDF0@HomePC> References: <7B13394A41BC4DE5AA823C0AB4F9CDF0@HomePC> Message-ID: <4D75C053.1000308@attorneyross.com> On 3/7/2011 4:59 PM, Glenn and Judy Spatola wrote: > I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I am > absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by > saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." Yeah, I think we figured that out. My memory was playing tricks. I'm able to remember who was Mayor of Doodyville in the 1950s before Mr. Bluster, but I can't remember who said "Put the coffee on, honey, I'm comin' home." But I did remember someone saying it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 8 00:40:01 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 00:40:01 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4D75C131.7000101@attorneyross.com> On 3/7/2011 11:08 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > You are indeed correct. BTW: Does anyone know why 'BZ, during the > Sixties, began and ended its daytime programs on the half-hour rather > than the hour? I always thought that was peculiar. -Doug I don't know why they did it, but I know why I liked it. I thought it gave a little more sense of a boundary between one show and the next. Other stations, such as WCOP and WMEX, started the new show at the top of the hour, after a break for the news. That way, the whole day seemed more like one continuous show. Having one show end, then an ID, and then the next show start, had a bit more of a delineation between one show and a bit more of the flavor of old-time radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Cdsull502@aol.com Tue Mar 8 01:52:51 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 01:52:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ Handoffs Message-ID: <4cd84.69550f30.3aa72c43@aol.com> I believe that 'BZ in the 60's ended their shows on the half hour to encourage the personalities to easily interact with one another. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From gjspatola@q.com Tue Mar 8 02:19:54 2011 From: gjspatola@q.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 23:19:54 -0800 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <87EF4CE5E96847C2AEEF36D1C52F8631@HomePC> I don't know the philosophy behind that decision, but it allowed for a couple of minutes of dialog, "patter" if you will, between air personalities at shift change. I always enjoyed that on WBZ, and it wouldn't have been nearly as spontaneous if the shift changes were at the top of the hour leading in to a newscast. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "Glenn and Judy Spatola" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on > You are indeed correct. BTW: Does anyone know why 'BZ, during the > Sixties, began and ended its daytime programs on the half-hour rather than > the hour? I always thought that was peculiar. -Doug > > > > Quoting Glenn and Judy Spatola : >> >> I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I >> am >> absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by >> saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." >> >> >> Glenn >> > > > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 01:58:00 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 01:58:00 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <003301cbdd11$d233e530$769baf90$@com> Message-ID: > Using that logic, radio is now doomed to become even more generic and > plain > vanilla with no personality whatsoever. Look at WBOS, WMKK, WROR(after AM Drive), WXKS (after AM Drive), etc Does the average joe know who the jocks are on WZLX or Jamn?? From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Mar 8 03:34:14 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 03:34:14 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Personal People Meters (almost like an old song--it was a one eyed, one horned, flying purple people meter). I think they indicate people might be tuning in for the start of a show then tune out, and the meter reflects this unlike perhaps non-people-meter ratings where credit would be given for the whole show and not just a portion. Garrett made a post recently about this. -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 12:34 am Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 On 3/7/2011 3:14 PM, Don wrote: > It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system was > the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. OK, what's PPM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Mar 8 06:13:13 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:13:13 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Adding to Bob's description: You wear the meter like a pager. The meter has a microphone and listens for data embedded in the program audio. Each station has a unique ID. The meter records which station it hears throughout the day. This means if you are in a store and the guy behind the counter is playing ZLX that the meter will record you as listening to ZLX. -Bob On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > > Personal People Meters (almost like an old song--it was a one eyed, one > horned, > flying purple people meter). I think they indicate people might be tuning > in for the start of a > show then tune out, and the meter reflects this unlike perhaps > non-people-meter ratings where > credit would be given for the whole show and not just a portion. Garrett > made a post recently > about this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 12:34 am > Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > > > On 3/7/2011 3:14 PM, Don wrote: > > > It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system was > > the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. > > OK, what's PPM? > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 8 09:49:22 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:49:22 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on References: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <26F14F503AC14D71BFC7F828CB654B1B@SatU205S5044> I think the approach began at WNEW (AM) in New York back in the '40s. The PD at that time was Bernice (Tudy) Judis, who was widely regarded as a genious. She is credited with developing the music and news format (later called MOR). WNEW's competition (who? WMCA? WHN? WINS? I can't say) did news on the hour. She formed an alliance with the New York Daily News (at the time, America's largest-circulation daily) to run news supplied by the Daily News every hour on the half hour, and used the starting time to subtly plug WMEW's frequency (1130); I remember one newscast each day in particular ("1130 on your dial, 11:30 on your clock; time for News Around the Clock from America's largest newspaper, the New York Daily News). Later, I guess people at the station became concerned about confusion between 1130 kc (Hz hadn't yet been invented) and 11:30AM (or PM), and the frequency was thereafter always given as eleven-three-oh (on your dial). WNEW had the highest-rated DJ in New York, Martin Bloch, whose Make-Believe Ballroom ran for 3-1/2 hours a day in a split shift. As I recall it, the mid-morning sement ran from 10:00AM to noon and the PM-drive segment ran from 5:35 to 7:00PM. However, I'm not sure of the times because I vaguely recall a different program starting at 11:35AM. It's possible that Bloch's mid-morning segment ran from 9:35 to 11:30AM. If so, it would have been preceded by the AM-drive show with Gene Rayburn and Dee (Dee was short for Durwood, I believe) Finch from 6:00 to 9:30AM. If I'm not mistaken, in Boston during WNEW's heyday, WHDH tried very hard to be a WNEW clone. The music policies were the same and WHDH had a split-shift program also, although it ran later in the day than WNEW's MBB. WHDH had Jess Cain in AM Drive, followed by (IIRC) Bob Clayton with Boston Ballroom, then Fred B Cole in early afternoons, and Roy Leonard (later of WGN) with the Two and Eight Date, which ran from 2:00 to 4:00PM and 8:00 to 10:00PM. In those days, I think WHDH ran its hourly news on the half hour, just like WNEW (although I could be wrong--wouldn't be the first time;>(, but few, if any, of the music programs began at :35. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "Glenn and Judy Spatola" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on > You are indeed correct. BTW: Does anyone know why 'BZ, during the > Sixties, began and ended its daytime programs on the half-hour > rather than the hour? I always thought that was peculiar. -Doug > > > > Quoting Glenn and Judy Spatola : >> >> I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), >> but I am >> absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ >> by >> saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." >> >> >> Glenn >> > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 8 09:46:45 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:46:45 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: And the meter also contains an IC accelerometer. If the software is still picking up the encoded IDs from a radio station but does not detect that the meter is being moved at least every few minutes, the meter assumes that it is no longer being carried around by a person and, until motion is again detected, stops crediting the listener with listening to any station. Pretty clever, but I believe that the job no longer requires a specially designed and manufactured device. With appropriate software, today's smart phones (most of which also contain accelerometers) could do the job, while continuing to act as smart phones. Use of devices carried by large numbers of people instead of specialized devices would allow a much larger sample, which could dramatically improve the accuracy of the ratings. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > Adding to Bob's description: You wear the meter like a pager. The > meter has > a microphone and listens > for data embedded in the program audio. Each station has a unique > ID. The > meter records which > station it hears throughout the day. This means if you are in a > store and > the guy > behind the counter is playing ZLX that the meter will record you as > listening to ZLX. > > -Bob > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Bob Nelson > wrote: > >> >> >> >> Personal People Meters (almost like an old song--it was a one >> eyed, one >> horned, >> flying purple people meter). I think they indicate people might be >> tuning >> in for the start of a >> show then tune out, and the meter reflects this unlike perhaps >> non-people-meter ratings where >> credit would be given for the whole show and not just a portion. >> Garrett >> made a post recently >> about this. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 12:34 am >> Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >> >> >> On 3/7/2011 3:14 PM, Don wrote: >> >> > It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system >> > was > >> the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. >> >> OK, what's PPM? >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Mar 8 11:48:01 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:48:01 -0500 Subject: Larry Kilgallen In-Reply-To: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <201103060126.p261QlZ2039251@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: I was involved there in the mid-70s and remember Larry as news director, but don't ever recall him being involved in engineering. Maybe he was before my time there. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I don't know how many list-members go back to the old WTBS (back when it > was at MIT) and WMBR in the late 1960s and early 1970s. If you do, you may > recall Larry Kilgallen, who did on air work and engineering there for a long > time, From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Mar 8 11:58:43 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:58:43 -0500 Subject: WBZ Handoffs In-Reply-To: <4cd84.69550f30.3aa72c43@aol.com> References: <4cd84.69550f30.3aa72c43@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes they did. I had the opportunity to meet Carl deSuze when he did one of his travelogues at my high school back in the 60s and asked him about that. He said the rationale was to give the impression of the airstaff as being one group of people who hung out together as opposed to individuals who did their shift & went home. They seem to have phased that out when they dropped the top 40 format in the late 60s. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:52 AM, wrote: > I believe that 'BZ in the 60's ended their shows on the half hour to > encourage the personalities to easily interact with one another. From sid@wrko.com Tue Mar 8 08:57:33 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:57:33 +0000 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Adding to the two Bobs: You also need to remember what these two systems actually measure: Diaries measure recall, and as we're finding out with talk stations, are subject to falsification. PPMs measure exposure, and give exactly the same weight to the avid Red Sox fan listening intently to every play on WEEI and the person in a doctor's waiting room with WODS barely audible in the background. They do, however, eliminate the falsification factor. There is nothing currently available that will measure whether someone is actually paying attention to what's on the radio...and probably won't ever be, unless Arbitron panel members start having cybernetic implants installed. For advertisers, listeners' attention to their message is the whole enchilada. Sid Schweiger IT Manage, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:24 AM, "Bob DeMattia" wrote: > Adding to Bob's description: You wear the meter like a pager. The meter has > a microphone and listens > for data embedded in the program audio. Each station has a unique ID. The > meter records which > station it hears throughout the day. This means if you are in a store and > the guy > behind the counter is playing ZLX that the meter will record you as > listening to ZLX. > > -Bob > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> >> >> >> Personal People Meters (almost like an old song--it was a one eyed, one >> horned, >> flying purple people meter). I think they indicate people might be tuning >> in for the start of a >> show then tune out, and the meter reflects this unlike perhaps >> non-people-meter ratings where >> credit would be given for the whole show and not just a portion. Garrett >> made a post recently >> about this. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 12:34 am >> Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >> >> >> On 3/7/2011 3:14 PM, Don wrote: >> >>> It appears one of the results of changing over to the PPM system was > >> the "big name" memorable air talent has sufferred. >> >> OK, what's PPM? >> >> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> >> From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 8 14:19:42 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:19:42 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: <4D76814E.2050409@gmail.com> On 3/8/2011 8:57 AM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > ...and probably won't ever be, unless Arbitron panel members start having cybernetic implants installed. For advertisers, listeners' attention to their message is the whole enchilada. Now, if they can implant it in my enchilada they can clarify how it went down. I far prefer the implant idea. They can divine my preferences whilst I listen to various talkers, akin to a lie detector test, and then advertisers can send me stuff that lines up with my thoughts. Eventually, the PPM implant can phone my physician and let me know that I am in need of major medical work. The advertisers on the stations that I listen to can even send messages to my aging demo about deals on caseloads of Maltex available by mail order by midnight tonight. Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 8 17:11:39 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:11:39 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19830.43419.910891.650256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Adding to Bob's description: You wear the meter like a pager. The meter has > a microphone and listens > for data embedded in the program audio. Each station has a unique > ID. Not just each station, but each delivery channel. The PPM knows if you're listening to analog AM or FM, HD, Sirius XM, or streaming. For the original PPM tests -- not sure if they are still doing it -- Arbitron also gave encoders to in-house music services like those operated by Target and shopping malls, as well as private multiclient music services like Muzak. I would not be surprised if there were also a mechanism for advertisers to add Arbitron encoding to their ads, so they can audit their spot buys. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Tue Mar 8 17:32:23 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:32:23 +0000 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <19830.43419.910891.650256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19830.43419.910891.650256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1196CC@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "I would not be surprised if there were also a mechanism for advertisers to add Arbitron encoding to their ads, so they can audit their spot buys." I would be very surprised if they did that, since it would interfere with the station's coding. The one thing PPM-subscribing stations don't want is dueling encoding, because it effectively results in no listening credit. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 18:11:55 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:11:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <26F14F503AC14D71BFC7F828CB654B1B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <260313.42453.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >. . . In those days, I think WHDH ran its hourly news on the half hour, >just like WNEW (although I could be wrong--wouldn't be the first >time); . . . And you, too, sir, are correct. In the late 50s and at least well into the 60s, it was five minutes of news at the bottom. Continuing the mirror effect, during drive time, five minutes also ran at the top of the hour. This format resulted in the famous (at least with me), "Breakfast Extra" news being on at 7:30 a.m. It was 15 minutes, I believe. At least ten. The newscaster for quite awhile was Leo Egan. The way people seem to get up so much earlier now, it would probably run at 5:30 a.m. or 6:30 if they were still around. But 7:30 was perfect for me -- in the kitchen eating my cereal before school. Breakfast Extra played a major role in making me the radio news junkie I am today. :) Anyone got an aircheck? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 8 21:35:15 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:35:15 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1196CC@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19830.43419.910891.650256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1196CC@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <19830.59235.888209.661678@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > "I would not be surprised if there were also a mechanism for > advertisers to add Arbitron encoding to their ads, so they can audit > their spot buys." I would be very surprised if they did that, since > it would interfere with the station's coding. The one thing > PPM-subscribing stations don't want is dueling encoding, because it > effectively results in no listening credit. Arbitron controls the entire system, so it would be easy for them to design an encoding mechanism that does exactly what I described, provided they had thought to do so from the beginning. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 8 21:51:30 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:51:30 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on Message-ID: <20110308215130.p78vugb4lm000oc4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Am I correct in thinking that WHDH never had a network affiliation until the '80s, when it was briefly connected --- at different times --- with CBS and NBC? -Doug Quoting Martin Waters : > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >. . . In those days, I think WHDH ran its hourly news on the half > hour, >just > like WNEW (although I could be wrong--wouldn't be the first > >time); . . . > > And you, too, sir, are correct. In the late 50s and at least > well into the > 60s, it was five minutes of news at the bottom. Continuing the mirror effect, > during drive time, five minutes also ran at the top of the hour. > This format resulted in the famous (at least with me), "Breakfast Extra" > news being on at 7:30 a.m. It was 15 minutes, I believe. At least ten. The > newscaster for quite awhile was Leo Egan. > The way people seem to get up so much earlier now, it would > probably run at > 5:30 a.m. or 6:30 if they were still around. > > But 7:30 was perfect for me -- in the kitchen eating my cereal before > school. Breakfast Extra played a major role in making me the radio > news junkie I > am today. :) Anyone got an aircheck? > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 9 01:23:05 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:23:05 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> On 3/8/2011 9:46 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And the meter also contains an IC accelerometer. If the software is > still picking up the encoded IDs from a radio station but does not > detect that the meter is being moved at least every few minutes, the > meter assumes that it is no longer being carried around by a person > and, until motion is again detected, stops crediting the listener with > listening to any station. So they don't measure someone lying in bed and listening to the radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 9 01:25:35 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:25:35 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn...Put the coffee on In-Reply-To: <26F14F503AC14D71BFC7F828CB654B1B@SatU205S5044> References: <20110307230856.drgcwyaxl4jkw8c0@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <26F14F503AC14D71BFC7F828CB654B1B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D771D5F.1020506@attorneyross.com> On 3/8/2011 9:49 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, in Boston during WNEW's heyday, WHDH tried very > hard to be a WNEW clone. The music policies were the same and WHDH had > a split-shift program also, although it ran later in the day than > WNEW's MBB. WHDH had Jess Cain in AM Drive, followed by (IIRC) Bob > Clayton with Boston Ballroom, then Fred B Cole in early afternoons, > and Roy Leonard (later of WGN) with the Two and Eight Date, which ran > from 2:00 to 4:00PM and 8:00 to 10:00PM. In those days, I think WHDH > ran its hourly news on the half hour, just like WNEW (although I could > be wrong--wouldn't be the first time;>(, but few, if any, of the music > programs began at :35. I remember that WHDH had news on the half hour. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Mar 9 03:56:46 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 03:56:46 -0500 Subject: Donna Halper interview In-Reply-To: <5301125.1299632727622.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5301125.1299632727622.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDAC4F0DD30ABF-1758-C21D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> It's possible that you needed to wait for it to buffer and all you got was me doing my backsell just before the interview. It should have been a 25 minute file. Just like when you try to play a youtube video maybe you need to wait a moment and let it load fully... http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/Halper.mp3 -----Original Message----- From: madprof To: BRI Cc: raccoonradio@mail.com Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:05 pm Subject: Re: Donna Halper interview help! when I loaded the mp3, it played a WMWM DJ ID'ing songs, ~ a minute total. No trace of Donna??? Please tell me there's another file somewhere being what you intended? (or is my PC [or me] gone brainless again?] Bob Sutherland -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Nelson >Sent: Mar 6, 2011 4:50 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Donna Halper interview > > > > >It's a Sunday and Donna Halper is on the radio talking about radio with someone named Bob... :) > >25 minutes long. About her new book on Boston radio and radio in general > >http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/Halper.mp3 > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 9 07:55:48 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:55:48 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Probably they DO count people who are lying in bed listening to the radio--provided that they wear the meter while they lie in bed listening. If you were to take the meter off before you climbed into bed, you'd have to keep it close at hand near your bedside so you could pick it up and set it back down every few minutes. If you failed to do that, you would not be counted after a while. I've never seen a PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell phone, which means it is unlikely to be comfortable to wear in bed. As a result, I think most people who listen in bed would not wear the PPM in bed and therefore would not be counted for most of the time they were listening in bed. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > On 3/8/2011 9:46 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> And the meter also contains an IC accelerometer. If the software is >> still picking up the encoded IDs from a radio station but does not >> detect that the meter is being moved at least every few minutes, >> the >> meter assumes that it is no longer being carried around by a person >> and, until motion is again detected, stops crediting the listener >> with >> listening to any station. > > So they don't measure someone lying in bed and listening to the > radio. > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Mar 9 09:45:52 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 09:45:52 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Speaking of the tall tower in Michigan... Police found a dead body near the top yesterday of a Detroit area tower. First reports said it was a radio tower but the Detroit Free Press says it was WWJ-TV. http://www.freep.com/article/20110308/NEWS03/110308060/Man-s-body-found-top-TV-broadcast-tower-Oak-Park http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/oakland_county/Copy_of_MIBroadcast-Tower-Body_33547327 http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2011/03/09/news/doc4d769c33f30ad332537021.txt From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Mar 9 10:52:12 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:52:12 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net><19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6A0D28FD3D614BECBF7233004C7059F7@PhilsLaptop> That has got to be one of the strangest news stories I've ever read. IIRC, a tower technician died atop the WTEN-TV tower near Albany back in the '60s --- a heart attack, possibly brought on by fright from a near-fall. That's the only other incident I know of similar to this. -Doug \ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Tallest tower? > Speaking of the tall tower in Michigan... > > Police found a dead body near the top yesterday of a Detroit area tower. > First reports said it was a radio tower but the Detroit Free Press says it > was WWJ-TV. > > > http://www.freep.com/article/20110308/NEWS03/110308060/Man-s-body-found-top-TV-broadcast-tower-Oak-Park > > > http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/oakland_county/Copy_of_MIBroadcast-Tower-Body_33547327 > > > http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2011/03/09/news/doc4d769c33f30ad332537021.txt > From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Mar 9 12:43:12 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:43:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Once it's put in the dock for the night, Arbitron says the meter records one hour of listening, so people who listen in bed are allegedly counted for that long. Mark On Mar 09, 2011, at 07:55 AM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Probably they DO count people who are lying in bed listening to the > radio--provided that they wear the meter while they lie in bed > listening. If you were to take the meter off before you climbed into > bed, you'd have to keep it close at hand near your bedside so you > could pick it up and set it back down every few minutes. If you failed > to do that, you would not be counted after a while. I've never seen a > PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell > phone, which means it is unlikely to be comfortable to wear in bed. As > a result, I think most people who listen in bed would not wear the PPM > in bed and therefore would not be counted for most of the time they > were listening in bed. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 9 14:15:38 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:15:38 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Looks thicker than modern cell phones. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 > > >> ... I've never seen a >> PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell >> phone... >> > > > Wall Street Journal article with photo of a PPM: > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118903798218018792.html > > > > From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 9 10:36:48 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:36:48 +0000 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA119ED5@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "I've never seen a PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell phone, which means it is unlikely to be comfortable to wear in bed." I have seen one, and it's no larger than the now-largely-obsolete pocket pager. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Mar 9 13:49:10 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:49:10 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > > ... I've never seen a > PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell > phone... > Wall Street Journal article with photo of a PPM: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118903798218018792.html From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 9 14:26:40 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:26:40 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19827.10811.744087.32547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4D77D470.1030108@attorneyross.com> On 3/9/2011 9:45 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Speaking of the tall tower in Michigan... > > Police found a dead body near the top yesterday of a Detroit area tower. > First reports said it was a radio tower but the Detroit Free Press says it > was WWJ-TV. Maybe someone Superman left there and forgot to come back for. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 9 14:23:54 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:23:54 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> On 3/9/2011 7:55 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Probably they DO count people who are lying in bed listening to the > radio--provided that they wear the meter while they lie in bed > listening. If you were to take the meter off before you climbed into > bed, you'd have to keep it close at hand near your bedside so you > could pick it up and set it back down every few minutes. If you failed > to do that, you would not be counted after a while. I've never seen a > PPM but my understanding is that it is larger than the average cell > phone, which means it is unlikely to be comfortable to wear in bed. As > a result, I think most people who listen in bed would not wear the PPM > in bed and therefore would not be counted for most of the time they > were listening in bed. And even if they were wearing it in bed, they'd have to stir every so often. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 9 14:22:36 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:22:36 -0500 Subject: Donna Halper interview In-Reply-To: <8CDAC4F0DD30ABF-1758-C21D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> References: <5301125.1299632727622.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CDAC4F0DD30ABF-1758-C21D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D77D37C.4050903@attorneyross.com> On 3/9/2011 3:56 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > It's possible that you needed to wait for it to buffer and all you got was me doing my backsell just before the interview. It should have been a 25 minute file. Just like when you try to play a youtube video maybe you need to wait a moment and let it load fully... > > http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/Air/Halper.mp3 When I tried it a couple of nights ago, the loading stopped at some point shortly after you began to speak. Since I couldn't get the loading to resume, I closed the browser tab and tried again. This time the entire file loaded normally, and I was able to listen to the whole wonderful interview. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Mar 9 16:45:18 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:45:18 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4D77F4EE.4090207@gmail.com> On 3/9/2011 2:23 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > And even if they were wearing it in bed, they'd have to stir every so > often. > I wonder if the old dead guys of radio would have ever dreamed of this conversation. Bill O' From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Mar 9 22:13:47 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:13:47 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> > And even if they were wearing it in bed, they'd have to stir every so > often. > As a road warrior of 25+ years, I remember a freezing night at a Koala Inn (later absorbed by Suisse Chalet - later absorbed by ???) in Greenbush NY. The geniuses at the hotel had decided that they needed an energy management system to save on heating costs and thus had put the room's HVAC unit on a motion detector. I had to wake up about every 45 minutes and flail my arms to get the heat to come back on! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:05:58 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:05:58 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> <00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> Message-ID: > The geniuses at the hotel had decided that they needed an energy management > system to save on heating costs and thus had put the room's HVAC unit on a > motion detector. ?I had to wake up about every 45 minutes and flail my arms > to get the heat to come back on! Yikes...at the hotel where my cartoon fan convention is, you put a room key card in a slot near the front door of the room so it'll keep things like AC, lights, etc. functioning while you're there. There was talk about having to refresh the PPM so it would still credit the station you're listening to. A few years ago I was a "Nielsen household" for TV. They did give me a small amount of money as a thank you. The TV innards were wired up to a box and I had a remote control. Info on other people watching TV with me had to be entered. When you changed a channel, you had to hit a confirm button, and after awhile you had to hit a confirm button just so they could be sure you hadn't fallen asleep while watching a long movie, ball game, or whatever and kept it on the same channel. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Mar 10 12:08:01 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:08:01 -0500 Subject: Donna Halper interview In-Reply-To: <4D77D37C.4050903@attorneyross.com> References: <5301125.1299632727622.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8CDAC4F0DD30ABF-1758-C21D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <4D77D37C.4050903@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Great! I was thinking possibly it could have been whatever media player you were using; maybe it somehow wasn't co-operating. I think mine is set up so that an audio file like that will play via Quick Time (or one could use something like Real Player, Windows Media Player, etc.) > When I tried it a couple of nights ago, the loading stopped at some point > shortly after you began to speak. ?Since I couldn't get the loading to > resume, I closed the browser tab and tried again. ?This time the entire file > loaded normally, and I was able to listen to the whole wonderful interview. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 10 15:58:06 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:58:06 -0500 Subject: Bruins to honor Bob Wilson on March 26th Message-ID: http://bostonsportsdesk.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/bob-wilson-to-be-honored/ Wilson left on bad terms in 1994 when the NHL had a lockout and Atlantic Radio which owned WBNW where the team had the games on would not pay him and in a huff he retired. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Mar 11 13:22:43 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:22:43 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <8CDAD6C23B33687-D2C-BAC5@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> <00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> <8CDAD6C23B33687-D2C-BAC5@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Not all ballgames are sleep-inducing though I guess it depends on how the announcer is. (And yes, baseball. I'm sure Al Franken or various NPR announcers would have me snoring in no time. :) ) Some are exciting, though it's a game from way back when we weren't suffering from attention deficit disorder. Things like strategy can figure in, and people from Stephen King to Doris Kearns Goodwin to George Will all love the game of baseball. Of course in the old days, we didn't have such long 'ad breaks', many pitching changes, etc. Red Sox-Yankees games can be very long but the rivalry still keeps us interested. And we get to hear Joe Castiglione say words like "squander", as in "if the Red Sox are unable to score now, after having the bases loaded and no out, and now thanks to that double play they only have one run scored, a runner on third, and two out, Dave, that would really be a squander of a possible big inning". And doesn't the Bible begin with, "In the big inning..." :) Since you like classical music, I'm reminded of a Marx Bros. moment where a symphony orchestra was playing the classics when suddenly the brothers switched their music to "Take Me Out to the Ball Game", which they began playing (heck, I'll bet the Boston Pops has even done that song) and the Marx Bros. whipped out gloves and started playing catch! > I assume that by "ball game" you mean baseball because if you're famous for > anything, it's your attempts to pick up night games on the Red Sox network. > If so, then of course you'd have fallen asleep, the natural condition of > someone watching baseball.? (There's video of Ted Turner snoozing away at > games of a baseball team he owned!) Of course in the case of catching games at work there would be no watching, only listening to the radio. I will say that when the Red Sox won their first world series in 86 years, I was in the process of sorting mail, and, as baseball troubadour Terry Cashman put it, "I Saw It On The Radio" Can YOU believe it. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 17:30:03 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:30:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bruins to honor Bob Wilson on March 26th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <453285.5074.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/10/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://bostonsportsdesk.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/bob-wilson-to-be-honored/ > > Wilson > left on bad terms in 1994 when the NHL had a lockout and > Atlantic Radio > which owned WBNW where the team had the games on would not > pay him and in a > huff he retired. It's a shame, he has/had great pipes. During the last regular-season game at the old Garden, the ESPN announcers (want to say it was Steve Levy and Milbury) wisely stepped aside and let Bob call most of the final period. From lglavin@mail.com Sun Mar 6 13:34:07 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:34:07 -0500 Subject: Tallest tower? In-Reply-To: <19827.45987.829056.599181@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110305224043.facfu805ven4k040@webmail.myfairpoint.net><19827.3128.663645.844670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><5F57B2A651894A9981746F74717B5E26@dave> <19827.45987.829056.599181@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8CDAA443636333F-928-8744@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Garrett Wollman >To: Dave Doherty >Cc: boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org >Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 11:17 am >Subject: Re: Tallest tower? < said: > I checked the FAA database, and the tallest tower of any kind in New England is the WGME-TV tower in Portland at 1624' AGL. >Yep, for a brief time after it was built, it was the tallest structure in the world. >Until recently, that crown belonged to the KVLY tower near Fargo, N.D., at 2,063 feet, which is still the tallest structure in the western hemisphere, but lost its world title to the Burj Khalifa (formerly Burj Dubai) in Dubai. -GAWollman The next time you're at your local library, check out the latest Atlantic magazine (most libraries carry it); there's a major story about the world's skyscrapers, including the Burj Khalifa. I'm sorry the article never mentioned TV and FM antennas though. From gspatola@q.com Sun Mar 6 20:07:06 2011 From: gspatola@q.com (Glenn Spatola) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:07:06 -0800 Subject: Jay Dunn, Put the coffee on... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90D5735631C0439D8E77733BB2358162@HomePC> I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I am absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." Glenn From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 8 17:49:31 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:49:31 -0500 Subject: WNNW-AM And WNSH-AM Operating Separately Message-ID: <8CDABFA38F1CBE2-1EFC-4965@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> A couple of months ago, even before Costa-Eagle closed on the purchase of WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly, the programming on WNNW-AM 800 in Lawrence was already being simulcast there. Now, shortly after C-E became the owner of WNSH-AM, they've begun broadcasting different content, at least during the times I've monitored the stations (this past Sunday, Monday and today, 03/06, 07 & 08). And WNSH actually runs a single-station ID for itself; previously they ran a triple ID for WNNW-AM, its translator on 92.1 FM, and WNSH. This strikes me as a little odd. First of all, WNSH seemingly allowed the Costa-Eagle Spanish-language footprint to be expanded to the north shore and the seacoast of Massachusetts and even NH. And there are probably costs involved in separate programming; but the Eagle in Costa- Eagle refers to the Eagle Tribune newspaper that is so low on money, it's had another round of layoffs. Some of those reporters and editors who are now at the unemployment office must wonder about their previous bosses' expenditures on radio. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Mar 10 13:57:29 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:57:29 -0500 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com><7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044><4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com><00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> Message-ID: <8CDAD6C23B33687-D2C-BAC5@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Nelson >To: Brian Vita >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:05 pm >Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >There was talk about having to refresh the PPM so it would still >credit the station you're listening to. A few years ago I was a >"Nielsen household" for TV. They did give me a small amount of money >as a thank you. The TV innards were wired up to a box and I had a >remote control. Info on other people watching TV with me had to be >entered. When you changed a channel, you had to hit a confirm button, >and after awhile you had to hit a confirm button just so they could be >sure you hadn't fallen asleep while watching a long movie, ball game, >or whatever and kept it on the same channel. I assume that by "ball game" you mean baseball because if you're famous for anything, it's your attempts to pick up night games on the Red Sox network. If so, then of course you'd have fallen asleep, the natural condition of someone watching baseball. (There's video of Ted Turner snoozing away at games of a baseball team he owned!) I assume that by "ball game" you mean baseball because if you're famous for anything, it's your attempts to pick up night games on the Red Sox network. If so, then of course you'd have fallen asleep, the natural condition of someone watching baseball. (There's video of Ted Turner snoozing away at games of a baseball team he owned!) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 13:06:40 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:06:40 -0500 Subject: Jay Dunn, Put the coffee on... References: <90D5735631C0439D8E77733BB2358162@HomePC> Message-ID: >I know I'm a couple of weeks late on this (I've been on vacation), but I am >absolutely certain that it was Jay Dunn who closed his show on WBZ by >saying: "Put the coffee on, honey. I'm comin' home." But apparently he wasn't the only one.... From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 12 14:58:24 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio finally kills JACK-FM in Chicago Message-ID: I think it is fair to say that when CBS Radio in June of 2005 flipped both WCBS-FM New York and WJMK Chicago from oldies to JACK-FM it became one of the great blunders in modern radio history. CBS righted the wrong in NY in only 2 years and today WCBS-FM is a ratings monster in NY (#2 last PPM) but in Chicago they were stuck as ABC/Disney (now Citadel) jumped on the CBS blunder and rebranded 94.7 WLS-FM and went with a mix of Scott Shannon's True Oldies and local DJ's imported from WJMK. It begs the question on why ABC didn't do the same thing with WPLJ especially when you consider that is Shannon's home station. Rebranding as WABC-FM and bringing back the 'ding' would have made listeners forget WCBS-FM ever existed. I suspect what saved WODS from becoming JACK-FM was that Entercom beat them to it with MIKE-FM Robert Feder gives the details http://feder.blogs.chicago.timeout.com/2011/03/11/kudos-to-k-hits-but-what-took-them-so-long-to-whack-jack-fm/ From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 12 15:34:13 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:34:13 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio finally kills JACK-FM in Chicago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19835.55493.533392.344406@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It begs the question on why ABC didn't do the same thing with WPLJ > especially when you consider that is Shannon's home station. No, it doesn't "beg the question". Begging the question means making an argument that assumes its conclusion. Last I heard, WPLJ was a revenue monster, and Citadel isn't going to blow up its only FM in market #1 when it's still highly profitable. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Mar 12 15:49:53 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:49:53 -0500 Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger Message-ID: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110310005763/en/Citadel-Broadcasting-Signs-Merger-Agreement-Cumulus-Media Obviously this is a big merger between 2 companies that are not doing well. It doesn't affect Boston radio but can we expect changes in Providence, Worcester, Springfield, Portsmouth and Bangor? How will legacy stations like WABC and WLS be treated? There are rumors that Entercom is still making a bid for the Chicago cluster. My gut feeling is this doesn't bode well for the industry ( especially the people who make their living at it ) From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 12 16:36:33 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:36:33 -0500 Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19835.59233.968988.750@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Obviously this is a big merger between 2 companies that are not doing well. > It doesn't affect Boston radio but can we expect changes in Providence, > Worcester, Springfield, Portsmouth and Bangor? This has been in the works for a few weeks now. Interestingly, Cumulus is not structuring this transaction the way they did the (much smaller) Susquehanna purchase several years ago. Cumulus is getting a $500 billion investment and taking on additional debt, as well as refinancing the existing debt of Cumulus, Cumulus Media Partners, and Citadel, plus they're buying out the other equity investors in Cumulus Media Partners. (CMP was the minority-owned subsidiary the Dickeys created to finance the acquisition of Susquehanna.) Citadel shareholders will have the option of Cumulus stock or cash, up to certain aggregate limits. The new Cumulus will certainly be a bigger company that Lew Dickey has ever run. There will be a good number of markets where spinoffs will be required; if I read the merger agreement correctly, these will all be Cumulus proper stations. This will effectively be a transfer of control for Cumulus, so they will have to divest their existing grandfathered over-market-limit stations, but the paperwork has not hit the FCC database yet so I can't tell which ones. (There was a list of spinoffs in an annex to the merger agreement, but that part was omitted from the SEC filing.) > How will legacy stations like WABC and WLS be treated? There are rumors that > Entercom is still making a bid for the Chicago cluster. If Lew is smart, there will probably be some sort of reorganization that groups all of the top-market stations together, and likewise the smaller-market stations. My impression was that he was a pretty shrewd guy (which is why I bought Cumulus stock when it hit bottom a few years ago), but I've also heard that he's cheap, so who knows. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 12 17:17:54 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:17:54 -0500 Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger In-Reply-To: <19835.59233.968988.750@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19835.59233.968988.750@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19835.61714.690608.392086@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < The new Cumulus will certainly be a bigger company that Lew Dickey has > ever run. The Dickeys currently control about 54% of Cumulus, if I'm reading the tea-leaves correctly. The new equity investment Cumulus is taking on makes Jeffrey Marcus, formerly CEO of Chancellor aka AMFM (remember them?) the "lead director" of Cumulus, and I believe leaves the Dickeys with less than a majority. (Marcus is also a major contributor to Republican and Jewish causes, according to a bio I found.) The other investor in the deal is the Australian bank Macquarie, which requires some special language since they are not allowed to have more than a nominal voting interest in a U.S. broadcaster. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 12 17:22:10 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:22:10 -0500 Subject: CBS Radio finally kills JACK-FM in Chicago In-Reply-To: <19835.55493.533392.344406@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19835.55493.533392.344406@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4D7BF212.2080500@fybush.com> On 3/12/2011 3:34 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> It begs the question on why ABC didn't do the same thing with WPLJ >> especially when you consider that is Shannon's home station. > > No, it doesn't "beg the question". Begging the question means making > an argument that assumes its conclusion. > > Last I heard, WPLJ was a revenue monster, and Citadel isn't going to > blow up its only FM in market #1 when it's still highly profitable. But the Cumulus deal gives Citadel the chance to have a second "NYC" FM if they so choose...they can complete the WFAS-FM move from Westchester to the Bronx, which at least will give them a class A signal on 103.9 covering much (but not quite all) of the city. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see True Oldies Channel to appear on 103.9 once the deal is done... s From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 12 16:16:46 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:16:46 -0500 Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger References: Message-ID: <6572A36C4E8A409097407417E515415E@PhilsLaptop> >>How will legacy stations like WABC and WLS be treated? There are rumors >>that Entercom is still making a bid for the Chicago cluster. There still is an organic tie between Citadel and ABC. I would doubt the new company would let any of the ABC legacy stations go. (That having been said, however, look at what GE did to NBC's radio O & Os.) I agree with your assessment that the merger doesn't bode well for the industry. Who's next? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger > http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110310005763/en/Citadel-Broadcasting-Signs-Merger-Agreement-Cumulus-Media > > Obviously this is a big merger between 2 companies that are not doing > well. > It doesn't affect Boston radio but can we expect changes in Providence, > Worcester, Springfield, Portsmouth and Bangor? > > How will legacy stations like WABC and WLS be treated? There are rumors > that > Entercom is still making a bid for the Chicago cluster. > > My gut feeling is this doesn't bode well for the industry ( especially the > people who make their living at it ) > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 12 17:55:57 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:55:57 -0500 Subject: Cumulus/Citadel meger In-Reply-To: <6572A36C4E8A409097407417E515415E@PhilsLaptop> References: <6572A36C4E8A409097407417E515415E@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <19835.63997.503663.505839@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I agree with your assessment that the merger doesn't bode well for the > industry. Who's next? -Doug I wouldn't cry too much for Farid Suleiman, who by all accounts has not been the greatest radio CEO ever. I don't think there's an obvious "next" station group to go: the Bonneville-Hubbard deal (17 stations) is already out there, and there simply aren't any big radio groups out there that are for sale. Clear Channel still has a bunch of stations that they would like to unload, but current prices don't allow them to do so; CBS probably isn't selling any more for similar reasons (remember that huge bath they took in Denver?). The new Cumulus will be too big and too debt-laden to either acquire much or be acquired. The size of radio groups drops off precipitously after that. The largest remaining groups all have significant individual or family ownership that makes a straight sale less likely, unless they end up going through bankruptcy and wiping out the founders' interests. If a Radio One, Beasley, Lotus, NextMedia, or even Saga go down, nobody's going to be crying that it's the end of the world as we know it. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Mar 13 10:44:55 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:44:55 -0400 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: <8CDAE341C37DFBD-15B8-1B52E@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035> <4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com> <8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com> <7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044> <4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com> <00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com> <8CDAD6C23B33687-D2C-BAC5@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> <8CDAE341C37DFBD-15B8-1B52E@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: And if the (NFL) lockout doesn't get settled, there won't be any action at Gillette Stadium and not as much in Foxboro area businesses...and some TV networks and many other people will lose big bucks (the folks on Soldiers Field Rd, especially in one particular radio studio, also won't be pleased..file under 'well, we do still have the Bruins...') BTW, if you Google 'wallstreet journal' and 'nfl > football', the first item should be a > story detailing how that newspaper determined there were only 11 minutes of > "action" in an NFL > game...beisbol, not much better. From lglavin@mail.com Sun Mar 13 14:00:14 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:00:14 -0400 Subject: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 In-Reply-To: References: <8CDA583F8BBF0B3-77C-2B58@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com><19824.30158.955568.439139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><75635029B1C94D1398B9CE4B0A3CACA6@s20035><4D75BFEB.1090402@attorneyross.com><8CDAB82BD747E58-12B8-5F25@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><4D771CC9.7040908@attorneyross.com><7AB953E71CA045D892205F18EA380E4F@SatU205S5044><4D77D3CA.3060009@attorneyross.com><00c601cbded1$2d4fb280$87ef1780$@com><8CDAD6C23B33687-D2C-BAC5@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com><8CDAE341C37DFBD-15B8-1B52E@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDAFBFA32E1135-1F78-1BB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Nelson >To: lglavin@mail.com; Boston Radio Group >Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 10:44 am >Subject: Re: Rush Radio rebrands as Boston Talk 1200 >And if the (NFL) lockout doesn't get settled, there won't be any action at Gillette Stadium and not as much in Foxboro area businesses...and some TV networks and many other people will lose big bucks (the folks on Soldiers Field Rd, especially in one particular radio studio, also won't be pleased..file under 'well, we do still have the Bruins...') And the tens of thousands who apparently had considerable disposable income may decide to see a show at the Schubert, Colonial, Wang-Citi, etc, thus spending moolah there AND at restaurants in Theater District; or they may opt to go to a theme park, historical or recreational site and thus this money would be part of THEIR bottom lines. Something akin to the concept of fungibility: the dough goes into somebody's pocket regardless unless people decide to save it. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 14 12:04:10 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:04:10 -0500 Subject: 87.9 The Wave Message-ID: I don't know if this has been posted before, but there are some interesting studio pictures along with a supposed tower picture and it mentions where the studio for the station is, at a realty office in Ipswich. http://www.facebook.com/pages/879-The-Wave-Online/128750860520864 Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 14 13:43:59 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:43:59 -0500 Subject: 87.9 The Wave In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really dont know, actually. I know theyre streaming online. I wonder who is "smart" enough to put a studio for this in their business. Paul On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dave B wrote: > Is this guy off the air now? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> > To: "bri" > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:04 PM > Subject: 87.9 The Wave > > > > I don't know if this has been posted before, but there are some interesting >> studio pictures along with a supposed tower picture and it mentions where >> the studio for the station is, at a realty office in Ipswich. >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/879-The-Wave-Online/128750860520864 >> >> Paul Walker >> www.onairdj.com >> www.facebook.com/onairdj >> > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Mar 14 14:47:53 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:47:53 -0400 Subject: 87.9 The Wave In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's been off the air for at least a year. Jeff Lehmann On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > I really dont know, actually. I know theyre streaming online. I wonder who > is "smart" enough to put a studio for this in their business. > > Paul > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dave B wrote: > >> Is this guy off the air now? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < >> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> >> To: "bri" >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:04 PM >> Subject: 87.9 The Wave >> >> >> >> I don't know if this has been posted before, but there are some interesting >>> studio pictures along with a supposed tower picture and it mentions where >>> the studio for the station is, at a realty office in Ipswich. >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/879-The-Wave-Online/128750860520864 >>> >>> Paul Walker >>> www.onairdj.com >>> www.facebook.com/onairdj >>> >> >> From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 14:59:30 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: 87.9 The Wave References: Message-ID: <98D4D3385FB340F1967AD55151F6DA1D@s20035> Seems like this guy spent an awful lot of money on something he didn't think out very well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" It's been off the air for at least a year. Jeff Lehmann On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > I really dont know, actually. I know theyre streaming online. I wonder who > is "smart" enough to put a studio for this in their business. > > Paul > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dave B > wrote: > >> Is this guy off the air now? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < >> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> >> To: "bri" >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:04 PM >> Subject: 87.9 The Wave >> >> >> >> I don't know if this has been posted before, but there are some >> interesting >>> studio pictures along with a supposed tower picture and it mentions >>> where >>> the studio for the station is, at a realty office in Ipswich. >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/879-The-Wave-Online/128750860520864 >>> >>> Paul Walker >>> www.onairdj.com >>> www.facebook.com/onairdj >>> >> >> From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 13:39:26 2011 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave B) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:39:26 -0400 Subject: 87.9 The Wave References: Message-ID: Is this guy off the air now? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "bri" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: 87.9 The Wave >I don't know if this has been posted before, but there are some interesting > studio pictures along with a supposed tower picture and it mentions where > the studio for the station is, at a realty office in Ipswich. > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/879-The-Wave-Online/128750860520864 > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > www.facebook.com/onairdj From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 15 12:35:01 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:35:01 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? Message-ID: The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on Billboard - radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words but as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, what is the industry supposed to do? The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag? From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Mar 15 13:36:32 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 87.9 The Wave Message-ID: <3077c.4455e8dc.3ab0fda0@aol.com> I don't think he spent nearly as much as the Boston pirates yet they are still on-the-air and making money! Mike In a message dated 3/15/2011 12:01:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Seems like this guy spent an awful lot of money on something he didn't think out very well.<<< From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 15 12:45:37 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:45:37 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <320C47B3CC4C4CB6AF57E3D8A2BCFA53@dave> I don't know about these specific songs, but a lot of labels and bands still provide sanitized versions for airplay. Green Day's version of John Lennon's "Working Class hero" is a classic example of this. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:35 PM To: "bri" Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? > > The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on > Billboard > - radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html > > We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words > but > as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, > what > is the industry supposed to do? > > The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. > > Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag? > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 15 14:32:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:32:29 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's Kodachrome in 1973 I really don't know how this can get resolved. > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 14:05:50 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:05:50 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? References: <320C47B3CC4C4CB6AF57E3D8A2BCFA53@dave> Message-ID: <9D4359ED55AC47FD8FDEF75FB5B4A2F0@s20035> >> We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words >> but >> as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, >> what >> is the industry supposed to do? Cee Lo greens "sanitized" verson of "F*ck You" is called "Forget You". From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 15 13:06:08 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? Message-ID: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> The word in question, however vulgar and reprehensible, is so ubiquitous nowadays that to censor it is almost tantamount to pretending it doesn't exist. What's needed, perhaps, is a reasoned public dialogue on the coarsening of American culture (which, in all probability, will be largely ignored). Sadly, yeah, I can envision the FCC waving the white flag. -Doug Quoting Kevin Vahey : > The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on Billboard > - radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html > > We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words but > as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, what > is the industry supposed to do? > > The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. > > Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag? > From danmurph@rcn.com Tue Mar 15 00:42:49 2011 From: danmurph@rcn.com (Dan M) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:42:49 -0700 Subject: R.I.P. Danny Stiles Message-ID: <9C60CF36B99E47F08C45BE43B611F699@DPMLENOVO> Danny Stiles, who brought back the music of yesteryear, spinning records for more than six decades on New York-area radio, died Friday in Manhattan. He was 87 and lived in Short Hills, N.J. http://tinyurl.com/4mdjjxv From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 15 13:38:52 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:38:52 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >To: bri >Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 12:35 pm >Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? >The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on Billboard >- radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. >http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html >We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words but >as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, what >is the industry supposed to do? >The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. >Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag? Last weekend, Charles Krauthammer, a panelist on "Inside Washington", originated by a TV station in Washington, DC (I saw it on WGBX-DT2's WGBH World; it was also cited on Mediaite.com) used the four-letter word for nipple that rhymes with 'beat'. I guess that's two letters off from the slang term Carlin used. On February 12th, the Metropolitan Opera performed a work by contemporary composer (so contemporary he conducted) John Coolidge Adams (not to be confused with John Luther Adams)called "Nixon in China". At one point, a character in the opera uses the 2-word slang term for what Oedipus (the Greek, not the WBCN guy) did to Jocasta. This was a Saturday matinee performance that was televised in HD to movie theaters around the world AND broadcast on radio stations at least in the US and Canada. In a few weeks, after the latest PBS begathon season is over, it will be televised by over-the-air TV stations in some markets. Will there be any reaction? We'll just have to wait. Going back a number of years, the SAME "obscenity" was used in an opera by the now-deceased British composer Sir Michael Tippet called "The Ice Break". Its American premier by Sarah Caldwell's Opera Company of Boston was broadcast live during a Sunday matinee by WGBH-TV and later a commercial recording of the work was issued. That recording was played during a Michael Tippet Orgy(tm) on WHRB. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 14:34:27 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (sean.smyth@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:34:27 +0000 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <320C47B3CC4C4CB6AF57E3D8A2BCFA53@dave> References: <320C47B3CC4C4CB6AF57E3D8A2BCFA53@dave> Message-ID: <1530880463-1300214065-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-694713109-@bda711.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The Cee-Lo song is "F--- You" on stations' playlists. Sent on the Now Network? from my Sprint?? BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Doherty" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:45:37 To: Kevin Vahey; bri Subject: Re: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? I don't know about these specific songs, but a lot of labels and bands still provide sanitized versions for airplay. Green Day's version of John Lennon's "Working Class hero" is a classic example of this. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:35 PM To: "bri" Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? > > The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on > Billboard > - radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html > > We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words > but > as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, > what > is the industry supposed to do? > > The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. > > Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag? > > From keithlavon@gmail.com Tue Mar 15 15:03:42 2011 From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:03:42 -0500 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <9D4359ED55AC47FD8FDEF75FB5B4A2F0@s20035> References: <320C47B3CC4C4CB6AF57E3D8A2BCFA53@dave> <9D4359ED55AC47FD8FDEF75FB5B4A2F0@s20035> Message-ID: In some markets it is also heard as 'F you'. Honestly I perfect the Forget You version of it, the Eff You just sounds forced... On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Don wrote: > > We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words >>> but >>> as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, >>> what >>> is the industry supposed to do? >>> >> > > Cee Lo greens "sanitized" verson of "F*ck You" is called "Forget You". > > > From sid@wrko.com Tue Mar 15 13:36:30 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:36:30 +0000 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA11E99E@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "The NY Times points out this morning that 3 of the Top 10 songs on Billboard - radio stations can not play without having the FCC screaming. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/arts/music/from-cee-lo-green-to-pink-speaking-the-unspeakable.html We certainly have come a long way from George Carlins' seven magic words but as the younger generation continues to ignore radio in bigger numbers, what is the industry supposed to do? The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag?" Doubtful, especially since the Billboard charts reflect only a small percentage of what's on radio and TV. As long as there are children in the audience, some controls will remain in place (and remember that "indecent" programming is currently permitted between 10PM and 6AM, local time). Even those who operate without those controls...Howard Stern comes to mind...don't engage in endless strings of scatology. It's just not good programming and it gets old very quickly. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 15 17:44:56 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:44:56 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: yup they beeped it On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > > > Quoting Kevin Vahey : > >> I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's >> Kodachrome >> in 1973 >> > > ??? - In the opening line? -Doug > > > > From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Mar 15 17:59:31 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:59:31 -0400 Subject: Reminder: Donna Halper LIVE IN PERSON tonight Message-ID: <0c7601cbe35c$4b332310$e1996930$@com> Just a reminder.Donna will be making a presentation tonight at the PART (Police Amateur Radio Team) monthly meeting at 7:30pm at the Westford Police station on Main St in Westford. She will be talking about her book "Boston Radio 1920-2010" and will have copies available for sale - and will be signing copies also. Come one - Come All! Talk in on 146.955 mhz (PL 74.4) -Gary Francis W1GFF From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 15 17:32:45 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:32:45 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? Message-ID: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Quoting Kevin Vahey : > I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's Kodachrome > in 1973 ??? - In the opening line? -Doug From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 15 19:15:33 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:15:33 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <6A03356DD0324C50A0860F5D2BCCD9C1@dave> crap so hokey now. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Drown" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:32 PM To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "=?utf-8?b??=" Subject: Re: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? > > > > Quoting Kevin Vahey : >> I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's >> Kodachrome >> in 1973 > > ??? - In the opening line? -Doug > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 15 19:35:32 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:35:32 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: "When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school..." BTW, the last Kodachrome lab in the world processed the last roll at the end of December. http://www.dwaynesphoto.com/ Google "last kodachrome lab" for a number of news articles. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Drown" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:32 PM To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "=?utf-8?b??=" Subject: Re: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? > > > > Quoting Kevin Vahey : >> I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's >> Kodachrome >> in 1973 > > ??? - In the opening line? -Doug > > > > > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Mar 15 20:40:46 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? Message-ID: <88c84.544f0930.3ab1610e@aol.com> Perhaps, but the courts aren't helping the situation either. When will the obscenity appeal be heard in a decade or so? Freedom of speech? The FCC can't really prosecute a radio station until it is resolved. WBMT has been sitting on a profanity complaint for years and they still don't have a their license renewed from the last renewal period. Who knows with today's younger generation profanity might be what brings them back to radio and the "oldies but goodies" away from radio. Mike In a message dated 3/15/2011 6:35:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>The consumers have spoken...and pirate stations exploit this. Will we see a day the FCC finally waves the white flag?<<< From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Mar 15 20:58:00 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:58:00 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: > BTW, ?the last Kodachrome lab in the world processed the last roll at the > end of December. So I guess Momma DID finally take his Kodachrome away. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 16 00:41:38 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:41:38 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> On 3/15/2011 1:06 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > The word in question, however vulgar and reprehensible, is so > ubiquitous nowadays that to censor it is almost tantamount to > pretending it doesn't exist. What's needed, perhaps, is a reasoned > public dialogue on the coarsening of American culture (which, in all > probability, will be largely ignored). > Sadly, yeah, I can envision the FCC waving the white flag. -Doug Oh come on, vulgar and reprehensible. "Vulgar" words are simply the short, Anglo-Saxon words for certain bodily functions and parts. Words of Latin origin with the exact same meanings are "polite." It's a remnant of the period following the Norman conquest of England, when the language of the ruling class was "polite" and the language of the common people was "vulgar." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 16 00:45:35 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:45:35 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4D80406F.20300@attorneyross.com> On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > Quoting Kevin Vahey : >> I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's >> Kodachrome >> in 1973 The one I remember was a song that began, "When I think of all the cr*p I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all..." The way I remember it, the word wasn't bleeped, the entire line was replaced by the first line from the next verse, "When I look back on all the girls I knew when I was single...." I noticed at the time that WMEX played it without censorship. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Mar 16 02:05:15 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:05:15 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Many years ago (and I know, this is books not radio) fantasy writer Harlan Ellison had a book out about TV called The Glass Teat (haven't read, but Stephen King once mentioned it). I guess Ellison argued "TV doesn't suck, it _is_ sucked" as a baby does from its' mother's breast (and yes, one could argue that the common nickname for television from that era was "the boob tube") Other bits of substitute lyrics, etc.: WBUR used to have a kids show out of NYC called Kids America and they sometimes played novelty songs. Steve Martin's hit "King Tut" contains the line "he's my favorite honky". In their version they substituted another use of "did you do the monkey" (as in, a dance) Charlie Daniels' "Devil Went Down to Georgia" substitutes "son of a (gun)" for... (you know). Yet Elton John used that word in a song title: The Bitch Is Back. Steve Miller: "All that/ Funky kicks going down in the city". The original lyric is the s-word for "kicks" A newspaper article some time ago about "the f word" argued that part of its power is that it's taboo (often)--and they wondered if it would be as "shocking" or "powerful" in a world where it was now considered okay. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 16 02:00:00 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:00:00 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> References: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> I don't think it matters whether there's some linguistic pattern among the vulgar and polite words. That doesn't invalidate their categorization as vulgar or polite. Like all language, such categorization is a social convention. In a medium of social communication, there is good reason to acknowledge the favored or disfavored status of words, much as we acknowledge the standard or marginal status of word spellings and pronunciations. --RC On 03/16/2011 12:41 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 3/15/2011 1:06 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > >> The word in question, however vulgar and reprehensible, is so >> ubiquitous nowadays that to censor it is almost tantamount to >> pretending it doesn't exist. What's needed, perhaps, is a reasoned >> public dialogue on the coarsening of American culture (which, in all >> probability, will be largely ignored). >> Sadly, yeah, I can envision the FCC waving the white flag. -Doug > > Oh come on, vulgar and reprehensible. "Vulgar" words are simply the > short, Anglo-Saxon words for certain bodily functions and parts. Words > of Latin origin with the exact same meanings are "polite." It's a > remnant of the period following the Norman conquest of England, when the > language of the ruling class was "polite" and the language of the common > people was "vulgar." > From peterwmurray@gmail.com Wed Mar 16 12:39:57 2011 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:39:57 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: I first heard the "F**k You" song on RDS in Italy, completely au naturel. It isn't just that the Italians weren't hearing it in their native tongue - I heard Puddle of Mudd's "She F**king Hates Me" on RTE's 2FM in Ireland uncensored on the car stereo there, and even the DJ commented "Sing along with the naughty bits .." -Peter On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > I don't think it matters whether there's some linguistic pattern among the > vulgar and polite words. ?That doesn't invalidate their categorization as > vulgar or polite. ?Like all language, such categorization is a social > convention. ? In a medium of social communication, there is good reason to > acknowledge the favored or disfavored status of words, much as we > acknowledge the standard or marginal status of word spellings and > pronunciations. > > --RC > > > > > On 03/16/2011 12:41 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: >> >> On 3/15/2011 1:06 PM, Doug Drown wrote: >> >>> The word in question, however vulgar and reprehensible, is so >>> ubiquitous nowadays that to censor it is almost tantamount to >>> pretending it doesn't exist. What's needed, perhaps, is a reasoned >>> public dialogue on the coarsening of American culture (which, in all >>> probability, will be largely ignored). >>> Sadly, yeah, I can envision the FCC waving the white flag. -Doug >> >> Oh come on, vulgar and reprehensible. "Vulgar" words are simply the >> short, Anglo-Saxon words for certain bodily functions and parts. Words >> of Latin origin with the exact same meanings are "polite." It's a >> remnant of the period following the Norman conquest of England, when the >> language of the ruling class was "polite" and the language of the common >> people was "vulgar." >> > > From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Mar 16 13:22:16 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:22:16 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: At 12:39 PM -0400 3/16/11, Peter Murray wrote: >I first heard the "F**k You" song on RDS in Italy, completely au >naturel. It isn't just that the Italians weren't hearing it in their >native tongue - I heard Puddle of Mudd's "She F**king Hates Me" on >RTE's 2FM in Ireland uncensored on the car stereo there, and even the >DJ commented "Sing along with the naughty bits .." Eric Idle (of Monty Python) did a song with the F word a few years ago after he was fined by the FCC. It went something like: F--- you very much, the FCC, F--- you very much, for fining me. I think it was only released on his website and not in any other form, but I did hear it on satellite radio, I think it was on Vin Scelsa's show. It was a few years ago so my memory might not be entirely accurate. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mariogonz@aol.com Wed Mar 16 15:43:59 2011 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:43:59 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <4D80406F.20300@attorneyross.com> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D80406F.20300@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <63D7221A-5A31-459F-8D37-A602FCF7BD44@aol.com> I remember the song "Fight the Power" by the Isley brothers. In the chorus, the line that had to be edited was "by all this bulls**t going down". The version I heard on the radio had the word missing, but we all knew what it was. They edited it to just say bull. Mario On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > >> Quoting Kevin Vahey : >>> I remember the uproar when WBZ censored one word in Paul Simon's Kodachrome >>> in 1973 > > The one I remember was a song that began, "When I think of all the cr*p I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all..." > > The way I remember it, the word wasn't bleeped, the entire line was replaced by the first line from the next verse, "When I look back on all the girls I knew when I was single...." > > I noticed at the time that WMEX played it without censorship. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 17 00:43:16 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:43:16 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <20110315130608.ivrhvqq25biwwcog@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D803F82.7060804@attorneyross.com> <4D8051E0.2060403@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4D819164.2040800@attorneyross.com> On 3/16/2011 2:00 AM, Richard Chonak wrote: > I don't think it matters whether there's some linguistic pattern among > the vulgar and polite words. That doesn't invalidate their > categorization as vulgar or polite. Like all language, such > categorization is a social convention. In a medium of social > communication, there is good reason to acknowledge the favored or > disfavored status of words, much as we acknowledge the standard or > marginal status of word spellings and pronunciations. The f-word was called "vulgar and reprehensible." "vulgar" means "common," and I won't dispute that. But the word is only reprehensible to the extent that a society disdains mention of sexual intercourse. The reason the word has become less offensive is not because society's values are deteriorating but because we have become more willing to talk openly about the biological process to which it refers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 03:42:02 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:42:02 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: <63D7221A-5A31-459F-8D37-A602FCF7BD44@aol.com> References: <20110315173245.bj5xfkdgse4gokk8@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D80406F.20300@attorneyross.com> <63D7221A-5A31-459F-8D37-A602FCF7BD44@aol.com> Message-ID: Amazingly the unedited version of that got played on an Amer Top 40 rebroadcast a yr or two ago. It was an orig show from back in the 70s and when the song got played the B.S. word was left in, not bleeped at all! (Was re-broadcast on KOLA San Bernadino). I think it was the full word, not just 'bull'.... One year the same "BS" word was left in the CBS broadcast of the movie "Network"--I think there was a disclaimer. They said it was essential to the plot somehow. Meanwhile, the movie presentation on CBS lost out in the ratings to the series pilot for BJ and the Bear on NBC--a countrified drama about a trucker and his pet chimpanzee... On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Mario Gonzalez Jr. wrote: > I remember the song "Fight the Power" by the Isley brothers. ?In the chorus, the line that had to be edited was "by all this bulls**t going down". ?The version I heard on the radio had the word missing, but we all knew what it was. ?They edited it to just say bull. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 08:24:10 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:24:10 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville Message-ID: Being on a road trip with the Bruins I am doing the trifecta of Blaw-Knox towers - WBNS, WLW amd today WSM. WBNS reminded me of WFEA and WLW was simply stunning and I expect WSM will feel the same. I am curious on why so few were built given how radio engineers rave about their design. I am not a big fan of county music ( 2 years of doing Clyde Joy at WMUR is a prime reason) but I am curious if there is anyplace in Nashville that is devoted to the broadcast history of WSM and I am failry certain hee Haw was taped here. Any idead? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 17 11:20:46 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:20:46 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: Message-ID: Many more were built than exist today. My guess is that fewer than half of those built remain. Also, remember that, in the mid-1930s, when the diamond towers were popular, there probably weren't more than maybe 500 AMs in the US. Even though the number of FMs now far outstrips the number of AMs, the number of AMs has grown by almost a decimal order of magnitude in the 70 to 80 years since those towers went up. What I'm suggesting is that Blaw-Knox probably built these towers at as many as 10 to 15% of the then-existing AMs. Considering that there probably were dozens of companies that built towers back then, a 10 or 15% market share wasn't too shabby. Also, not all Blaw-Knox towers were of this type. The company built lots of square-cross-section self-supporters. IIRC, Blaw-Knox was still in business in the early 50s. They ran ads all the time in Broadcasting Magazine. I do not recall ever seeing an ad promoting the diamond style of tower, however. All of the ads that I remember featured the square-cross-section self supporters. One reason is that the self-supporters, though expensive as towers went, were probably a good deal less expensive than the diamond towers. Part of the reason was that the the diamond towers were, on average, quite a bit taller than the self-supporters, but except for Class I stations, most AMs built 1/4-wave towers rather than half-wave towers. WLW and WSM were Class Is and their towers were greater than half wave. WFEA and WBNS were Class IIs and were among the minority of such stations that built towers taller than 1/4 wavelength. Viewing any photos of the diamond towers that might have been taken while a few of the towers were being constructed ought to be very instructive. I have never heard of anyone posting such a photo on the Web, though. Indeed, I have never heard of anyone saying he had ever seen such a photo. I suspect that the photos would reveal a difficult, hazardous, and expensive construction process. Constructing the self-supporters was probably much easier. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:24 AM Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > Being on a road trip with the Bruins I am doing the trifecta of > Blaw-Knox > towers - WBNS, WLW amd today WSM. > > WBNS reminded me of WFEA and WLW was simply stunning and I expect > WSM will > feel the same. > > I am curious on why so few were built given how radio engineers rave > about > their design. > > I am not a big fan of county music ( 2 years of doing Clyde Joy at > WMUR is a > prime reason) but I am curious if there is anyplace in Nashville > that is > devoted to the broadcast history of WSM and I am failry certain hee > Haw was > taped here. > > Any idead? From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 11:24:33 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:24:33 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville Message-ID: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably still does. That said, the WSM tower exceeds WLW's in height. I've never personally seen it. Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. I saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. It took me by surprise. -Doug Quoting Kevin Vahey : > Being on a road trip with the Bruins I am doing the trifecta of Blaw-Knox > towers - WBNS, WLW amd today WSM. > > WBNS reminded me of WFEA and WLW was simply stunning and I expect WSM will > feel the same. > > I am curious on why so few were built given how radio engineers rave about > their design. > > I am not a big fan of county music ( 2 years of doing Clyde Joy at WMUR is a > prime reason) but I am curious if there is anyplace in Nashville that is > devoted to the broadcast history of WSM and I am failry certain hee Haw was > taped here. > > Any idead? > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 11:10:31 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news Message-ID: <706519.47291.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/providences-wlne-airs-bra-infomercial-in-place-of-7-p-m-newscast_b7751# Not a good precedent. Make a decision - news or a quick buck, and live with it. I?know at CSN New England we occasionally get requests to run paid programming in fringe or even prime time and have turned it down even if we didn't have a live sports event. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 11:08:55 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:08:55 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: Message-ID: <27F8E15558B4446BB5AB32900DCD2BCF@PhilsLaptop> The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably still does. That said, the WSM array exceeds WLW's in height. I've never personally seen it. Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. I saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:24 AM Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > Being on a road trip with the Bruins I am doing the trifecta of Blaw-Knox > towers - WBNS, WLW amd today WSM. > > WBNS reminded me of WFEA and WLW was simply stunning and I expect WSM will > feel the same. > > I am curious on why so few were built given how radio engineers rave about > their design. > > I am not a big fan of county music ( 2 years of doing Clyde Joy at WMUR is > a > prime reason) but I am curious if there is anyplace in Nashville that is > devoted to the broadcast history of WSM and I am failry certain hee Haw > was > taped here. > > Any idead? > From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 17 13:50:09 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:50:09 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back > in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably > still does. A little clarification: the tower on Chickasaw Street that was seen in the WKRP opening sequence belonged to WLWT (or "WLW-T," if you prefer), the erstwhile TV sister station to WLW. It was indeed a dominant presence on the city's skyline...until WLWT built a taller tower right in front of it. The old tower was torn down a couple of years ago. There are three TV towers in close proximity on that ridge just north of downtown: WKRC-TV 12, WLWT and WCPO-TV 9. The WLW radio tower cannot be seen from downtown Cincinnati; it's in Mason, about 25 miles to the north, and it does dominate the skyline out there, such as it is. The engineering principles of the time dictated that "high-power" stations (anything above a kilowatt!) be located at a considerable distance from population centers to avoid overloading the very non-selective receivers of the time. That's why WBZ built its high-power facility out in Millis in 1931, and why the initial NBC and CBS New York high-power AMs were built far out of town, CBS at Wayne, NJ and NBC at Bound Brook NJ (WJZ) and Bellmore, Long Island (WEAF). I think Dan may have somewhat overestimated the number of Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers that ever existed. There were certainly several prominent examples that no longer stand, including CBS' WABC tower at Wayne and the WCAU tower in Newtown Square, PA, outside Philadelphia. But those were all very, very early in the history of vertical AM radiators, and the diamond-shaped tower proved to be very expensive to build and maintain, with no particular technical advantage over the simpler square- or triangular-cross-section guyed or self-supporting towers that became the industry standards. And the adoption of the vertical radiator was by no means immediate; as late as 1947, there were still prominent network O&O 50 kW stations using T-type longwire radiators. (KPO/KNBC in San Francisco may have been the last to convert; WEAF was also quite late in the game.) I don't believe, in the end, that there were ever more than perhaps a couple of dozen Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers. > Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. I > saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. It took > me by surprise. -Doug The nameplate was sold several times over the years, and now apparently belongs to Volvo Heavy Equipment. s From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 14:36:34 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:34 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: I it a tossup for me which was more impressive - WSM or WLW ( edge to the latter because of the calls on the tower ) However there was a Waffle House near WSM :) WLW however seems to have a better signal as even in Nashville it is quite strong. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Doug Drown wrote: > >> The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back >> in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably >> still does. >> > > A little clarification: the tower on Chickasaw Street that was seen in the > WKRP opening sequence belonged to WLWT (or "WLW-T," if you prefer), the > erstwhile TV sister station to WLW. It was indeed a dominant presence on the > city's skyline...until WLWT built a taller tower right in front of it. The > old tower was torn down a couple of years ago. > > There are three TV towers in close proximity on that ridge just north of > downtown: WKRC-TV 12, WLWT and WCPO-TV 9. > > The WLW radio tower cannot be seen from downtown Cincinnati; it's in Mason, > about 25 miles to the north, and it does dominate the skyline out there, > such as it is. > > The engineering principles of the time dictated that "high-power" stations > (anything above a kilowatt!) be located at a considerable distance from > population centers to avoid overloading the very non-selective receivers of > the time. That's why WBZ built its high-power facility out in Millis in > 1931, and why the initial NBC and CBS New York high-power AMs were built far > out of town, CBS at Wayne, NJ and NBC at Bound Brook NJ (WJZ) and Bellmore, > Long Island (WEAF). > > I think Dan may have somewhat overestimated the number of Blaw-Knox > "diamond" towers that ever existed. There were certainly several prominent > examples that no longer stand, including CBS' WABC tower at Wayne and the > WCAU tower in Newtown Square, PA, outside Philadelphia. But those were all > very, very early in the history of vertical AM radiators, and the > diamond-shaped tower proved to be very expensive to build and maintain, with > no particular technical advantage over the simpler square- or > triangular-cross-section guyed or self-supporting towers that became the > industry standards. > > And the adoption of the vertical radiator was by no means immediate; as > late as 1947, there were still prominent network O&O 50 kW stations using > T-type longwire radiators. (KPO/KNBC in San Francisco may have been the last > to convert; WEAF was also quite late in the game.) > > I don't believe, in the end, that there were ever more than perhaps a > couple of dozen Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers. > > > Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. >> I >> saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. It took me by >> surprise. -Doug >> > > The nameplate was sold several times over the years, and now apparently > belongs to Volvo Heavy Equipment. > > s > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 14:49:55 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <706519.47291.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <706519.47291.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <276119.50817.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> And now ABC is threatening to pull their affiliation at the end of the month: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/abc-threatens-to-pull-wlne-affiliation-providence_b7780# Where would ABC go in the market? Definately not WJAR but perhaps WLWC. There's not much choice. Perhaps they can get a waiver and allow WCVB to be picked up by the local cable systems. From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 17 14:50:52 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:50:52 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D82580C.1030902@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I it a tossup for me which was more impressive - WSM or WLW ( edge to > the latter because of the calls on the tower ) > > However there was a Waffle House near WSM :) > > WLW however seems to have a better signal as even in Nashville it is > quite strong. The ground conductivity is much, much better in Ohio than in middle Tennessee. (The ground conductivity is much, much better almost anywhere than in middle Tennessee!) And there's now a Culver's right next door to the WLW tower, so it's a wash as far as tower-proximate fast food is concerned! s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 17 15:18:28 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:18:28 -0400 Subject: WEEI tower heights Message-ID: A few weeks ago there was a thread here about the WEEI tower heights. I remarked that the heights in the CDBS records for WEEI are not the correct physical heights and include a comment that the electrical heights shown (207 degrees for each of the three towers) include the effects of mutual inductance among the towers and a propagation velocity within the towers that is less than the speed of light in free space. These effects increase the effective electrical height and make the towers behave as if all three were pretty much the same physical height. I noted that Entercom had filed an application to correct the pattern augmentations to make the patterns agree with measurements made since a short communications tower was constructed on the property. After a year, the FCC has finally granted Entercom's application, which makes no physical changes in anything. I reread the application today and, alas, although the text kind of explains what's going on, the "corrected" CDBS records, if anything, are even more confusing than the old ones. Part of the problem appears to relate to the ground system, which is elevated 7.5' above ground for the first 30' from the base of each tower. Apparently the engineers who designed and built the array back in 1947 calculated heights above ground from this elevated reference and the just-granted application continues this bizarre practice. Moreover, the new tabular data appears to confuse electrical height with physical height and may confuse distances in electrical degrees with distances in meters. The reason for that, I suspect, is that 1 electrical degree is very nearly (though not exactly) 1 meter at 850 kHz. (1 degree = 0.979m @0.85 MHz.) One thing is certain, the towers are of unequal physical height, as you will notice if you look closely. The tower heights appear to be (from west to east) 640', 600', and 560' above the tops of the base insulators, though I would not want to stake even the price of a cup of coffee on those last numbers. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 14:52:12 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:52:12 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville Message-ID: <20110317145212.r2skjfw96owg884g@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I've been in Milwaukee several times on business, and WLW could be clearly picked up there all day long on my digital car radio (WGN notwithstanding). I'd have to look at the specs; is the signal omnidirectional? -Doug Quoting Kevin Vahey : I it a tossup for me which was more impressive - WSM or WLW ( edge to the latter because of the calls on the tower ) However there was a Waffle House near WSM :) WLW however seems to have a better signal as even in Nashville it is quite strong. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: Doug Drown wrote: The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably still does. A little clarification: the tower on Chickasaw Street that was seen in the WKRP opening sequence belonged to WLWT (or "WLW-T," if you prefer), the erstwhile TV sister station to WLW. It was indeed a dominant presence on the city's skyline...until WLWT built a taller tower right in front of it. The old tower was torn down a couple of years ago. There are three TV towers in close proximity on that ridge just north of downtown: WKRC-TV 12, WLWT and WCPO-TV 9. The WLW radio tower cannot be seen from downtown Cincinnati; it's in Mason, about 25 miles to the north, and it does dominate the skyline out there, such as it is. The engineering principles of the time dictated that "high-power" stations (anything above a kilowatt!) be located at a considerable distance from population centers to avoid overloading the very non-selective receivers of the time. That's why WBZ built its high-power facility out in Millis in 1931, and why the initial NBC and CBS New York high-power AMs were built far out of town, CBS at Wayne, NJ and NBC at Bound Brook NJ (WJZ) and Bellmore, Long Island (WEAF). I think Dan may have somewhat overestimated the number of Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers that ever existed. There were certainly several prominent examples that no longer stand, including CBS' WABC tower at Wayne and the WCAU tower in Newtown Square, PA, outside Philadelphia. But those were all very, very early in the history of vertical AM radiators, and the diamond-shaped tower proved to be very expensive to build and maintain, with no particular technical advantage over the simpler square- or triangular-cross-section guyed or self-supporting towers that became the industry standards. And the adoption of the vertical radiator was by no means immediate; as late as 1947, there were still prominent network O&O 50 kW stations using T-type longwire radiators. (KPO/KNBC in San Francisco may have been the last to convert; WEAF was also quite late in the game.) I don't believe, in the end, that there were ever more than perhaps a couple of dozen Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers. Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. I saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. It took me by surprise. -DougThe nameplate was sold several times over the years, and now apparently belongs to Volvo Heavy Equipment. s From paul@derrynh.net Thu Mar 17 15:21:11 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:21:11 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: Why is it that most National Chains fail to make in-roads in to good old parochial New England? Now of course Waffle Houses are pretty lame places to eat, I will admit, and only used on my trips to Texas last summer as a quick meal while on the road... The DFW Metroplex seems to be the HOME of national chain restaurants from what I saw when I was down there last summer (Although I did like their variety of Radio Stations...and I met WBAP's Mark Davis, asked if he was the WTIC Mark Davis, was not...said he had been asked that before.......but you audiophiles probably already knew that.....) -Paul Hopfgarten (Waffle House, new location 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington DC) I think even some of the Uber-Libs would agree with me on this....... -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:36 PM To: Scott Fybush Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville I it a tossup for me which was more impressive - WSM or WLW ( edge to the latter because of the calls on the tower ) However there was a Waffle House near WSM :) WLW however seems to have a better signal as even in Nashville it is quite strong. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Doug Drown wrote: > >> The WLW tower is the one seen on "WKRP in Cincinnati." It's immense. Back >> in the '60s, when I saw it, it dominated the whole city skyline. Probably >> still does. >> > > A little clarification: the tower on Chickasaw Street that was seen in the > WKRP opening sequence belonged to WLWT (or "WLW-T," if you prefer), the > erstwhile TV sister station to WLW. It was indeed a dominant presence on > the > city's skyline...until WLWT built a taller tower right in front of it. The > old tower was torn down a couple of years ago. > > There are three TV towers in close proximity on that ridge just north of > downtown: WKRC-TV 12, WLWT and WCPO-TV 9. > > The WLW radio tower cannot be seen from downtown Cincinnati; it's in > Mason, > about 25 miles to the north, and it does dominate the skyline out there, > such as it is. > > The engineering principles of the time dictated that "high-power" stations > (anything above a kilowatt!) be located at a considerable distance from > population centers to avoid overloading the very non-selective receivers > of > the time. That's why WBZ built its high-power facility out in Millis in > 1931, and why the initial NBC and CBS New York high-power AMs were built > far > out of town, CBS at Wayne, NJ and NBC at Bound Brook NJ (WJZ) and > Bellmore, > Long Island (WEAF). > > I think Dan may have somewhat overestimated the number of Blaw-Knox > "diamond" towers that ever existed. There were certainly several prominent > examples that no longer stand, including CBS' WABC tower at Wayne and the > WCAU tower in Newtown Square, PA, outside Philadelphia. But those were all > very, very early in the history of vertical AM radiators, and the > diamond-shaped tower proved to be very expensive to build and maintain, > with > no particular technical advantage over the simpler square- or > triangular-cross-section guyed or self-supporting towers that became the > industry standards. > > And the adoption of the vertical radiator was by no means immediate; as > late as 1947, there were still prominent network O&O 50 kW stations using > T-type longwire radiators. (KPO/KNBC in San Francisco may have been the > last > to convert; WEAF was also quite late in the game.) > > I don't believe, in the end, that there were ever more than perhaps a > couple of dozen Blaw-Knox "diamond" towers. > > > Blaw-Knox is still in active existence as a heavy equipment manufacturer. >> I >> saw a fairly new Blaw-Knox bulldozer just a short time ago. It took me by >> surprise. -Doug >> > > The nameplate was sold several times over the years, and now apparently > belongs to Volvo Heavy Equipment. > > s > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 17:55:51 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:55:51 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <276119.50817.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <706519.47291.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <276119.50817.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You have to wonder if Hearst is lurking in the background here. WLNE can't possibly be any worse than WMTW as an investment. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 17 16:53:24 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:53:24 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: At 3:21 PM -0400 3/17/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Why is it that most National Chains fail to make in-roads in to good >old parochial New England? Now of course Waffle Houses are pretty >lame places to eat, I will admit, and only used on my trips to Texas >last summer as a quick meal while on the road... There are lots of regional chains, and I believe Waffle House is one of them. And some of the places that are common here are not found elsewhere. You can't find Pot Belly Subs much outside of Chicago, and you wont find Papa Gino's or DeAngelos outside of New England or upstate NY. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 18:19:50 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:19:50 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Certainly - start a Southern NE Chronicle for example. Hearst and Disney do work together ( see ESPN ) so that could explain why ABC is playing hardball. Some are comparing this to what NBC pulled with KRON but I don't think that is a fair example. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 3/17/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > You have to wonder if Hearst is > > lurking in the background here. WLNE can't > > possibly be any worse than WMTW as an investment. > > It would make sense, and there could be a lot of resource sharing with > Channel 5. > > > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 17 18:31:21 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:31:21 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 3:21 PM -0400 3/17/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >> Why is it that most National Chains fail to make in-roads in to good >> old parochial New England? Now of course Waffle Houses are pretty lame >> places to eat, I will admit, and only used on my trips to Texas last >> summer as a quick meal while on the road... > > > There are lots of regional chains, and I believe Waffle House is one of > them. And some of the places that are common here are not found > elsewhere. You can't find Pot Belly Subs much outside of Chicago, and > you wont find Papa Gino's or DeAngelos outside of New England or upstate > NY. > I suspect real estate has a lot to do with it. Waffle House, as anyone who's traveled the South knows, lives and dies on locations next to freeway off-ramps. There's not much real estate in New England that fits that description. Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay. And yes, other chains are simply regional. Culver's and Steak & Shake are Midwest-centered (though I saw a few Steak & Shakes in Florida); Krystal, like Waffle House, is a Southern thing; In-n-Out has long resisted expanding beyond a one day's drive from its Los Angeles distribution center (though that's changing now, with new stores in Colorado and Utah and I think New Mexico); Whataburger is a Texas institution; the list goes on. It's nice to have at least some variety out there in what's becoming an increasingly homogeneous roadside landscape... s From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Mar 17 18:38:08 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:38:08 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> Message-ID: > Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody > wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of > December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy > proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the > Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay. Sonic is in Peabody and Wilmington, MA. Also a few locations in NY, CT. I haven't heard how any of them are doing. -Bob From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 18:03:40 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/17/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > You have to wonder if Hearst is > lurking in the background here. WLNE can't > possibly be any worse than WMTW as an investment. It would make sense, and there could be a lot of resource sharing with Channel 5. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 17 18:24:00 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D828A00.6010809@attorneyross.com> On 3/17/2011 6:19 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Some are comparing this to what NBC pulled with KRON but I don't think that > is a fair example. So what did NBC pull with KRON? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 17 19:09:37 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:09:37 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Until 10 or 12 years ago, there still was a Waffle House in either > Wilmington or Tewksbury, off 93 or 495 (forget which). I'm guessing > it was attached to the chain at the very least as a franchise, since > it had the same logo. > Huh...THAT I don't recall at all, but I didn't spend much time up that way when I lived there. > Sonic has finally broken around Boston, with locations in Peabody and > Wilmington. The website lists a location in Wallingford, CT, too. I wonder how they'll do. I don't think their northern ventures into Indiana or Ohio did well. > > As Scott says, real estate is a big reason for it, but I think it's > slightly different from what Scott said: In addition to prime parcels > having been taken, there also is the fact that real estate inside 495 > is expensive, and parcels generally are small. Those are some of the > reasons why you don't see Sheetz or Wawa operating further north. I suspect when we start talking gas stations, C-stores and supermarkets, there's another issue, too: given that limited amount of real estate, much of it is already owned by supermarket and gas companies that don't want any new competition. I'm quite certain that's why it took so long for Rochester's beloved Wegmans to begin making inroads on New England - and look how far out of town they had to go to find the land they needed! As for Blaine's mention of Quaker Steak, I don't think it's a test-market issue; I think Fort Wayne was simply a logical extension of their existing western-PA based marketing region that stretches from Buffalo into Ohio. I wouldn't be at all surprised (and would be quite pleased!) to see them in Rochester at some point, too. (I'd take a 99, too...it was amusing to see them, as well as Giant Glass, advertising on the outfield wall in Fort Myers, more than a thousand miles from either company's nearest location!) s From sonnyradio@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 10:25:55 2011 From: sonnyradio@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:25:55 -0400 Subject: "Gun substitution" Message-ID: Bob Nelson said: <<<<>> If the "gun" substitution were used in the latter, it would probably be the campaign song for politicians Sharron Angle and Jan Brewer. Personally, I would use the *original* title of the Elton John song for both of them. No offense. > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Mar 17 16:36:49 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:36:49 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8CDB2FA2CBE6DCB-18B8-286@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Fybush >To: Doug Drown ; 'Boston-Radio-Interest' >Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 1:50 pm >Subject: Re: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville >And the adoption of the vertical radiator was by no means immediate; as late as 1947, there were still prominent network O&O 50 kW stations using T-type longwire radiators. (KPO/KNBC in >San Francisco may have been the last to convert; WEAF was also quite late in the game.) >s When I was in the US Air Force, I was eventually stationed at McChord AFB near Tacoma, WA after a stint in Spokane. If I recall correctly, I was just driving into Seattle for some reason other than to view any radio towers when I spotted the KXA-AM 770 longwire antenna atop a downtown office building. KXA was just a 1,000-watt daytimer, but nonetheless it seemed to be a player in the Seattle media market at the time. I knew transmitting antennas of this nature existed, but I had never seen one in action, and I was amazed that the owners of KXA (1) hadn't applied for an FM outlet; and (2) hadn't built out a standard-issue antenna system with at least one fairly tall vertical tower, and maybe even a directional-array to go to higher power (directional to protect KXL-750 down in Portland, Ore that boomed right on up to Tacoma at least. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 18:43:02 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/17/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > Larry Weil wrote: > > At 3:21 PM -0400 3/17/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >> Why is it that most National Chains fail to make > in-roads in to good old parochial New England? Now of course > Waffle Houses are pretty lame places to eat, I will admit, > and only used on my trips to Texas last summer as a quick > meal while on the road... > > > > > > There are lots of regional chains, and I believe > Waffle House is one of them.? And some of the places > that are common here are not found elsewhere.? You > can't find Pot Belly Subs much outside of Chicago, and you > wont find Papa Gino's or DeAngelos outside of New England or > upstate NY. > > > > I suspect real estate has a lot to do with it. Waffle > House, as anyone > who's traveled the South knows, lives and dies on locations > next to > freeway off-ramps. There's not much real estate in New > England that fits > that description. > > Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, > where nobody > wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the > middle of > December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but > it's an iffy > proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; > indeed, the > Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer > travel dismay. > > And yes, other chains are simply regional. Culver's and > Steak & Shake > are Midwest-centered (though I saw a few Steak & Shakes > in Florida); > Krystal, like Waffle House, is a Southern thing; In-n-Out > has long > resisted expanding beyond a one day's drive from its Los > Angeles > distribution center (though that's changing now, with new > stores in > Colorado and Utah and I think New Mexico); Whataburger is a > Texas > institution; the list goes on. > > It's nice to have at least some variety out there in what's > becoming an > increasingly homogeneous roadside landscape... Until 10 or 12 years ago, there still was a Waffle House in either Wilmington or Tewksbury, off 93 or 495 (forget which). I'm guessing it was attached to the chain at the very least as a franchise, since it had the same logo. Sonic has finally broken around Boston, with locations in Peabody and Wilmington. The website lists a location in Wallingford, CT, too. As Scott says, real estate is a big reason for it, but I think it's slightly different from what Scott said: In addition to prime parcels having been taken, there also is the fact that real estate inside 495 is expensive, and parcels generally are small. Those are some of the reasons why you don't see Sheetz or Wawa operating further north. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 18:48:03 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <635555.66789.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/17/11, Larry Weil wrote: > There are lots of regional chains, and I believe Waffle > House is one of them.? And some of the places that are > common here are not found elsewhere.? You can't find > Pot Belly Subs much outside of Chicago, and you wont find > Papa Gino's or DeAngelos outside of New England or upstate > NY. Potbelly has a solid presence in Washington/Baltimore, too. From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 17 18:58:24 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:58:24 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Certainly - start a Southern NE Chronicle for example. > > Hearst and Disney do work together ( see ESPN ) so that could explain why > ABC is playing hardball. > > Some are comparing this to what NBC pulled with KRON but I don't think that > is a fair example. > Nor do I. As best I can read the situation from where I sit, ABC/Disney has no interest (unlike NBC in San Francisco) in adding a Providence-market O&O. But the Mouse does (quite understandably!) want to avoid ending up with a complete dog of an affiliate owner, so why not put a little pressure on? I don't think it's for Hearst's benefit; if Hearst wanted WLNE, it's had many opportunities to do so at reasonable prices, and there's an issue with the very significant overlap of signals between WLNE and WCVB. Recall that CBS had to unload WPRI for that same reason. I would not be at all surprised to see ABC looking at some other, less-obvious options for new Providence-market affiliation. I could imagine LIN installing ABC as 12.2 or 64.2, for instance - or at least the threat of a LIN-owned "ABC Providence" helping ABC to keep a new WLNE owner in line. Sadly, the market seems increasingly to be dictating that Providence-sized communities around the country can't comfortably support three TV news operations. Here in upstate New York, we're down to two (plus a cable channel) in Syracuse, while the third-place operations in Rochester and Buffalo struggle to survive. Wilkes-Barre/Scranton's down to two as well. Is there anything WLNE can do now that WPRI/WNAC or WJAR can't do better? (The answer, in hindsight, might have been to stay focused on southeastern Mass. and the Cape, but experience suggests that there just might not be enough revenue in that area to sustain WLNE that way, either.) s From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Mar 17 20:05:37 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville Message-ID: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> The last couple of years Sonic Drive-ins have popped up in northern and southern NJ. Mike In a message dated 3/17/2011 8:00:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay.<<< From irw@well.com Thu Mar 17 18:42:24 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Scott Fybush wrote: > Whataburger is a Texas institution; the list goes on. Whataburger is more than Texas now, with locations in AZ, NM, OK, LA, AR, MS, AL, FL and GA. With Fort Wayne, Indiana being a test market for new products, we're about to receive our first Quaker Steak and Lube here. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 17 20:43:56 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:43:56 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19842.43724.532562.57630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I don't think it's for Hearst's benefit; if Hearst wanted WLNE, it's had > many opportunities to do so at reasonable prices, and there's an issue > with the very significant overlap of signals between WLNE and WCVB. > Recall that CBS had to unload WPRI for that same reason. I think, however, that if Hearst wanted WLNE now, they could easily get a "failing station" waiver, particularly if they made some handwavy argument about how Providence is a separate market and nobody in the Boston market watches WLNE (or can even get it outside of parts of Norfolk County). -GAWollman From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 17 19:52:23 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:52:23 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> It has been more than a quarter of a century since I last lived in Massachusetts. My favorite alternative to fast food there is Friendly's - they have locations in VA and NC, but unfortunately none are near my home in southwest VA. What may have long slowed their expansion was a desire to keep their locations within a day's drive of their distribution center in Wilbraham. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 17 22:17:46 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:17:46 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It has been more than a quarter of a century since I last lived in > Massachusetts. My favorite alternative to fast food there is > Friendly's - they have locations in VA and NC, but unfortunately none > are near my home in southwest VA. What may have long slowed their > expansion was a desire to keep their locations within a day's drive > of their distribution center in Wilbraham. Friendly's has been through a *lot* of issues in the past couple of decades, including a couple of failed buyouts. With management's attention elsewhere, the quality of the food and the service at the restaurants suffered, and every time I go there, I'm promising when I leave that I won't go back. That said, they are also in Florida, which suggests that distance from Wilbraham is not their most pressing concern. The need for additional capital to fund any expansion probably is closer to the truth. And, frankly, it's not at all clear that there's a financial benefit to the shareholders in becoming a weak national restaurant chain rather than a stronger regional brand. (This arguably applies to radio, too. I'm willing to bet that Greater Media's return on capital far outstrips Entercom's. Both companies started out as small, family-owned companies in the 12/12/12 days, but whereas Entercom brought in outside capital to expand in multiple markets, Greater maintained family ownership and exited markets like L.A. and Washington to concentrate on super-serving their core Boston and Philly customers.[1]) -GAWollman (We saw a lone Cumberland Farms in Florida, too.) [1] I think radio would be a stronger, more competitive industry today if Congress had not eliminated the national ownership cap in the Telecom Act. At the very least, we would not have seen the asset bubble in broadcast stations in the first binge of consolidation in the mid-to-late 1990s, which would have left owners with much more room on their balance sheets to make the investments in programming and facilities that have a chance of earning the next generation's listenership. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 21:17:46 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:17:46 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> Message-ID: <318B40C2BF4B49C3AF9EE108CB27AB55@PhilsLaptop> I've been to a Sonic only once, in Beloit, Wisconsin. I loved it. Any place that serves thick chocolate malted shakes is great in my book. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > Sean Smyth wrote: > >> Until 10 or 12 years ago, there still was a Waffle House in either >> Wilmington or Tewksbury, off 93 or 495 (forget which). I'm guessing >> it was attached to the chain at the very least as a franchise, since >> it had the same logo. >> > > Huh...THAT I don't recall at all, but I didn't spend much time up that way > when I lived there. > >> Sonic has finally broken around Boston, with locations in Peabody and >> Wilmington. The website lists a location in Wallingford, CT, too. > > I wonder how they'll do. I don't think their northern ventures into > Indiana or Ohio did well. >> >> As Scott says, real estate is a big reason for it, but I think it's >> slightly different from what Scott said: In addition to prime parcels >> having been taken, there also is the fact that real estate inside 495 >> is expensive, and parcels generally are small. Those are some of the >> reasons why you don't see Sheetz or Wawa operating further north. > > I suspect when we start talking gas stations, C-stores and supermarkets, > there's another issue, too: given that limited amount of real estate, much > of it is already owned by supermarket and gas companies that don't want > any new competition. > > I'm quite certain that's why it took so long for Rochester's beloved > Wegmans to begin making inroads on New England - and look how far out of > town they had to go to find the land they needed! > > As for Blaine's mention of Quaker Steak, I don't think it's a test-market > issue; I think Fort Wayne was simply a logical extension of their existing > western-PA based marketing region that stretches from Buffalo into Ohio. I > wouldn't be at all surprised (and would be quite pleased!) to see them in > Rochester at some point, too. > > (I'd take a 99, too...it was amusing to see them, as well as Giant Glass, > advertising on the outfield wall in Fort Myers, more than a thousand miles > from either company's nearest location!) > > s > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Mar 17 22:25:53 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:25:53 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Friendly's is actually owned by Sun Capital Partners, a private-equity firm. SCP owns dozens of businesses in a variety of industries. I'm fairly sure that if the Friendly's management could make a strong case, they could get capital to expand. Likely that SCP wants them to focus on making their existing business stronger rather than spend the attention on new markets and stores. This is probably a lesson that some radio companies should learn. -Bob From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Mar 17 22:32:36 2011 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:32:36 -0400 Subject: How does radio in 2011 deal with this? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDB14EFC5BD81B-1200-5158@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D82C444.10609@ttlc.net> On 3/16/2011 2:05 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Charlie Daniels' "Devil Went Down to Georgia" substitutes "son of a > (gun)" for... (you know). Yet Elton John used that word in a song > title: The Bitch Is Back. WRKO played the song, but the jocks never spoke the title, just the artist. On 3/16/2011 3:43 PM, Mario Gonzalez Jr. wrote: > I remember the song "Fight the Power" by the Isley brothers. In the chorus, the line that had to be edited was "by all this bulls**t going down". The version I heard on the radio had the word missing, but we all knew what it was. They edited it to just say bull. Same situation with "Money" by Pink Floyd. Special edited single version. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 21:21:58 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1635D5671C74452AA06511A9E1B4D759@PhilsLaptop> There's something about this that doesn't make sense to me; maybe someone can explain it. If WLNE (nee WTEV) was modestly successful in its early years targeting New Bedford-Fall River and the rest of southeastern Mass., why couldn't the same be true today? The population is certainly larger there than it was 40-50 years ago. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:58 PM Subject: Re: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Certainly - start a Southern NE Chronicle for example. >> >> Hearst and Disney do work together ( see ESPN ) so that could explain why >> ABC is playing hardball. >> >> Some are comparing this to what NBC pulled with KRON but I don't think >> that >> is a fair example. >> > > Nor do I. As best I can read the situation from where I sit, ABC/Disney > has no interest (unlike NBC in San Francisco) in adding a > Providence-market O&O. But the Mouse does (quite understandably!) want to > avoid ending up with a complete dog of an affiliate owner, so why not put > a little pressure on? > > I don't think it's for Hearst's benefit; if Hearst wanted WLNE, it's had > many opportunities to do so at reasonable prices, and there's an issue > with the very significant overlap of signals between WLNE and WCVB. Recall > that CBS had to unload WPRI for that same reason. > > I would not be at all surprised to see ABC looking at some other, > less-obvious options for new Providence-market affiliation. I could > imagine LIN installing ABC as 12.2 or 64.2, for instance - or at least the > threat of a LIN-owned "ABC Providence" helping ABC to keep a new WLNE > owner in line. > > Sadly, the market seems increasingly to be dictating that Providence-sized > communities around the country can't comfortably support three TV news > operations. Here in upstate New York, we're down to two (plus a cable > channel) in Syracuse, while the third-place operations in Rochester and > Buffalo struggle to survive. Wilkes-Barre/Scranton's down to two as well. > > Is there anything WLNE can do now that WPRI/WNAC or WJAR can't do better? > (The answer, in hindsight, might have been to stay focused on southeastern > Mass. and the Cape, but experience suggests that there just might not be > enough revenue in that area to sustain WLNE that way, either.) > > s > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 17 23:28:20 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:28:20 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <1635D5671C74452AA06511A9E1B4D759@PhilsLaptop> References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> <1635D5671C74452AA06511A9E1B4D759@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <19842.53588.278595.741595@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There's something about this that doesn't make sense to me; maybe someone > can explain it. If WLNE (nee WTEV) was modestly successful in its early > years targeting New Bedford-Fall River and the rest of southeastern Mass., > why couldn't the same be true today? Because Bristol County is in the Providence TV market. WLNE is competing against Providence stations for advertisers, all of whom are selling the entire Providence market. There is no New Bedford-specific market for television advertising; it's simply too small and too close to Providence to have a viable local market. Such advertisers as are there and can afford to buy television will be trying to attract customers from Rhode Island. (BTW, all five of the commercial TVs in the Providence market now transmit from Rehoboth, Mass.) In days of yore, all stations were required to have studios in their communities of license. Indeed, WLNE once filed a rulemaking to reallocate channels 6, 10, and 12 to "Providence-New Bedford", which would have allowed it under the old rules to move its studios to Providence. Once that rule was repealed, they could -- and eventually did -- simply move to Providence and mention New Bedford once an hour. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 17 21:18:17 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:18:17 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <19842.43724.532562.57630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> <19842.43724.532562.57630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Well there is certainly overlap with WMUR and WCVB ( and in the other direction between WMUR and WMTW) so I don't think that is as much of an issue anymore. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > I don't think it's for Hearst's benefit; if Hearst wanted WLNE, it's had > > many opportunities to do so at reasonable prices, and there's an issue > > with the very significant overlap of signals between WLNE and WCVB. > > Recall that CBS had to unload WPRI for that same reason. > > I think, however, that if Hearst wanted WLNE now, they could easily > get a "failing station" waiver, particularly if they made some > handwavy argument about how Providence is a separate market and nobody > in the Boston market watches WLNE (or can even get it outside of parts > of Norfolk County). > > -GAWollman > > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Mar 17 23:59:53 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news Message-ID: <3a6ca.1d51d1c6.3ab432b9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/17/2011 11:15:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net writes: There's something about this that doesn't make sense to me; maybe someone can explain it. If WLNE (nee WTEV) was modestly successful in its early years targeting New Bedford-Fall River and the rest of southeastern Mass., why couldn't the same be true today? The population is certainly larger there than it was 40-50 years ago. -Doug ------------------------------------------------------ AND back then, there were 3 or 4 TV stations to choose from. With cable/satellite/computer now, there are hundreds of choices. The jokers at Ch 6 must have known that the fallout would be huge if they ran an infomerical instead of the news. Their own fault this is happening. ----BB From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 18 00:35:55 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:35:55 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: References: <346921.60258.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D829210.30800@fybush.com> <19842.43724.532562.57630@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19842.57643.950591.615477@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Well there is certainly overlap with WMUR and WCVB ( and in the other > direction between WMUR and WMTW) so I don't think that is as much of an > issue anymore. WMUR is in the Boston market, and TV duopolies are allowed now. The Commission might have a harder time with one company owning three stations, even though there's no overlap between 6 and 9 and 6 is theoretically in another market. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 23:46:18 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:46:18 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news Message-ID: <20110317234618.fccdsq29npyooc0o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> >> WLNE is competing against Providence stations for advertisers, all of whom are selling the entire Providence market. There is no New Bedford-specific market for television advertising; it's simply too small and too close to Providence to have a viable local market. Makes me wonder whether a network-affiliated VHF would have survived in Worcester, had WTAG fulfilled its plans back in the '50s. -Doug Quoting Garrett Wollman : > < > said: > > > There's something about this that doesn't make sense to me; maybe someone > > can explain it. If WLNE (nee WTEV) was modestly successful in its early > > years targeting New Bedford-Fall River and the rest of southeastern Mass., > > why couldn't the same be true today? > > Because Bristol County is in the Providence TV market. WLNE is > competing against Providence stations for advertisers, all of whom are > selling the entire Providence market. There is no New > Bedford-specific market for television advertising; it's simply too > small and too close to Providence to have a viable local market. Such > advertisers as are there and can afford to buy television will be > trying to attract customers from Rhode Island. (BTW, all five of the > commercial TVs in the Providence market now transmit from Rehoboth, > Mass.) > > In days of yore, all stations were required to have studios in their > communities of license. Indeed, WLNE once filed a rulemaking to > reallocate channels 6, 10, and 12 to "Providence-New Bedford", which > would have allowed it under the old rules to move its studios to > Providence. Once that rule was repealed, they could -- and eventually > did -- simply move to Providence and mention New Bedford once an hour. > > -GAWollman > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 18 01:12:56 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:12:56 -0400 Subject: WLNE airing infomercials in place of 7p news In-Reply-To: <20110317234618.fccdsq29npyooc0o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110317234618.fccdsq29npyooc0o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <19842.59864.196640.915973@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Makes me wonder whether a network-affiliated VHF would have survived in > Worcester, had WTAG fulfilled its plans back in the '50s. Quite possibly. It would have become a Boston station for all practical purposes anyway. You might have seen a situation where the same network would have been on UHF in Boston, and one of the two would have gone Fox when it started in the early 1980s. Another possibility might have been for channel 2 to have stayed commercial in Boston, with 5 Worcester eventually failing and becoming a non-comm, as happened to outlying stations in several major markets (think 13 Newark, 12 Wilmington, etc.). Recall that any Worcester V would have had a huge disadvantage in Boston proper because it would not be receivable on an indoor antenna and outdoor antennas would not have been pointed in that direction. Given where WTAG-TV would likely have been built -- Paxton -- it would have been at an even greater disadvantage. (On the other hand, if Springfield Television had been able to make WWOR-TV work, you would have had enough stations for Worcester to be its own TV market, or alternatively WTAG-TV might have ended up as the CBS affiliate for Springfield.) It's interesting to speculate, but of course things actually turned out differently, and it's hard to say that one alternate history was more likely than other. -GAWollman From mward@iname.com Fri Mar 18 00:51:34 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:51:34 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> References: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > I wonder how they'll do. I don't think their northern ventures into Indiana > or Ohio did well. Since you and I have eaten at one of the Ohio Sonic locations (in Parma)... They seem to be doing OK here. At very least, none have closed yet! I think they are depending on the drive through window to get them through the winter. I don't recall the Sonics in Roanoke having drive through windows. > As for Blaine's mention of Quaker Steak, I don't think it's a test-market > issue; I think Fort Wayne was simply a logical extension of their existing > western-PA based marketing region that stretches from Buffalo into Ohio. I > wouldn't be at all surprised (and would be quite pleased!) to see them in > Rochester at some point, too. Fort Wayne is close enough. They have a decent presence in even the western Cleveland suburbs, and I want to say there's at least one in Toledo. Their original location in Sharon PA is roughly a 5 minute drive from one of my former radio haunts... > (I'd take a 99, too...it was amusing to see them, as well as Giant Glass, > advertising on the outfield wall in Fort Myers, more than a thousand miles > from either company's nearest location!) > > s > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 18 06:40:14 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:40:14 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net><19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> VCs usually buy companies to dress them up for sale and then sell them at a profit or take them public when the selling is good. Presumably, Sun has a timetable for Friendly's, although, if cash flow is positive, the VCs may hold on longer than they had originally planned. However, few, if any, VCs have unlimited patience. Positive cash flow is not the whole story; if they can find an investment that produces a better return on capital, they will get out of a situation that has failed to produce the hoped-for results. While they wait for the opportunity to unload, they have only one objective--each quarter's bottom line--provided they don't do anything to reduce the enterprise value. Which means, figure out how to run the business without having the enterprise value take a hit and without having to pump in more capital. I'd say that expanding Friendly's would be about the last thing on Sun's mind. A sale, if it comes, is likely to be to a chain that has no presence in New England and views Friendly's as more-or-less compatible with their target demographics and style. Can anyone think of such a chain? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > Friendly's is actually owned by Sun Capital Partners, a > private-equity firm. > SCP owns dozens of businesses in a variety of industries. I'm > fairly sure > that if the Friendly's management could make a strong case, they > could > get capital to expand. Likely that SCP wants them to focus on > making > their existing business stronger rather than spend the attention on > new > markets and stores. > > This is probably a lesson that some radio companies should learn. > > -Bob From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Mar 18 07:37:53 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:37:53 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > A sale, if it comes, is likely to be to a chain > that has no presence in New England and views Friendly's as > more-or-less compatible with their target demographics and style. Can > anyone think of such a chain? > Probably something like a Perkins or a Shoney's would serve a similar demographic, though I wouldn't advise rebranding the Friendly's name. Better to keep the original names under the same parent, ala Stop & Shop / Giant . You are right about VC's...they are solely driven by ROI. My point was, if the Friendly's management could sell Sun on the theory that expansion would improve ROI, Sun has the capital to do it. However, clearly expansion won't do this. Furthermore, Sun's strategy is to buy underperforming companies. They then make management changes to (hopefully) get the company on track and thus increase the value of their investment. Maybe they should buy WLNE. -Bob From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Mar 18 07:34:09 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:34:09 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net><19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Sun Capital has a remarkable portfolio of investments Many you'll recognize. http://www.suncappart.com/ The same goes for Mitt Romney's old firm Bain Capital. They own Dunkin' Doughnuts http://www.baincapital.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > Friendly's is actually owned by Sun Capital Partners, a private-equity > firm. > SCP owns dozens of businesses in a variety of industries. I'm fairly sure > that if the Friendly's management could make a strong case, they could > get capital to expand. Likely that SCP wants them to focus on making > their existing business stronger rather than spend the attention on new > markets and stores. > > This is probably a lesson that some radio companies should learn. > > -Bob > > From irw@well.com Fri Mar 18 08:20:22 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Food Chains [Was: Blaw-Knox Towers] Message-ID: On 3/18/2011 6:40 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Can anyone think of such a chain? Yes. Frisch's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisch's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Mar 18 10:08:27 2011 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:08:27 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4D83675B.1000708@ttlc.net> On 3/17/2011 10:17 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Friendly's has been through a*lot* of issues in the past couple of > decades, including a couple of failed buyouts. With management's > attention elsewhere, the quality of the food and the service at the > restaurants suffered, and every time I go there, I'm promising when I > leave that I won't go back. If Friendly's store manager compensation plan still exists as it did back when I looked into managing a Friendly's, the reason for poor service is still the same. In general, Friendly's owned the building and the store paid corporate rent. Virtually all food and supplies had to be purchased from Friendly's commissary, not locally. After rent, utilities, food costs and employee salaries, whatever was left over, was the manager's salary. The temptation to minimize staffing was always present. So, in many stores, I would see the manager taking orders, cooking food and delivering it to tables. I have observed, on more than one occasion, a waitress take an order, toss it on the grill, drop the fries and go wait on another booth. Meanwhile another waitress or the manager would take an order, toss it on the grill and if the already cooking food or fries looked done, they'd plate and serve it. Otherwise, they'd leave it cooking and eventually, somebody else would serve it. Food quality (over/under done) was a total crapshoot and service could easily come to a standstill, if every booth was occupied. In the warmer months, they had to wait on the takeout window, too. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Mar 18 10:25:47 2011 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> References: <26751.13194.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D8294B1.4070703@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D836B6B.3080705@ttlc.net> On 3/17/2011 7:09 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Sean Smyth wrote: > >> Until 10 or 12 years ago, there still was a Waffle House in either >> Wilmington or Tewksbury, off 93 or 495 (forget which). I'm guessing >> it was attached to the chain at the very least as a franchise, since >> it had the same logo. >> > > Huh...THAT I don't recall at all, but I didn't spend much time up that > way when I lived there. Vic's Waffle House in Tewksbury, on Rt. 38 about a half mile off 495. Far enough away to be invisible to drivers on 495. According to WaffleHouse.com, they don't seem to be part of the chain. The store locator shows the nearest Waffle Houses in PA. From Cdsull502@aol.com Fri Mar 18 10:41:24 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WTAG-TV Message-ID: <4cd7.1292e848.3ab4c914@aol.com> I think that the channel 5 allocation in Worcester would have been quite successful because it would have been have been able to put a decent signal into Providence as well as most of the Boston area. I'm assuming that such a station would have become an ABC affiliate--something that both the Boston and Providence markets lacked at the time-- (Except for WMUR at the northern fringe of Boston). Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Mar 18 10:51:37 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:51:37 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> Two words to sum up expansion failure: Krispy Kreme. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President >>>Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay.<<< From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Mar 18 12:09:27 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:09:27 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> Message-ID: <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Similarly, Boston Market, in the '90s, expanded quickly before they went bankrupt and were bought by McDs. Five Guys is arriving in MA and I wonder whether they might be heading toward the same mistake. Back to broadcasting: Is WHDN-LD (channel 38) carried on any of the local cable systems? I don't think they are on Verizon's channel list where I live. --RC On 03/18/2011 10:51 AM, Brian Vita wrote: > Two words to sum up expansion failure: Krispy Kreme. > > > > > Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro& Consumer AV Equipment& Supplies > > > Brian Vita > President > > >>>> Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody > wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of > December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy > proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the > Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay.<<< > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 10:33:32 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:33:32 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? Message-ID: I came across this picture of all the major Boston TV kid's personalties from the 60's. http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/07315bcec197e2cca1c23c0f440b5279cf478f0.pjpg I think the woman in the picture was part of Bozo (Judy Valentine maybe?) but I have no clue on who the clown is next to her. Everybody else I think we all know. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 18 12:17:58 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:17:58 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19843.34230.369911.805364@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Similarly, Boston Market, in the '90s, expanded quickly before they went > bankrupt and were bought by McDs. I think the lesson that new franchisers have taken from this is that the way Boston Chicken financed the expansion (including, if I remember correctly, some questionable accounting practices) was the problem that led to their failure. Boston Chicken was financing franchisees' real estate, as I recall. Newer franchises like Panera are requring that franchisees put up much more of their own money. > Is WHDN-LD (channel 38) carried on any of the local cable systems? I > don't think they are on Verizon's channel list where I live. I don't believe so. As an LPTV, they're not entitled to must-carry. -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 12:16:14 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <46643.32128.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 3/18/11, Richard Chonak wrote: > Five Guys is arriving in MA and I wonder whether they might > be heading > toward the same mistake. The founding family has a pretty tight rein on the product, and they're very picky about selecting franchisees. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Mar 18 12:14:22 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:14:22 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <61501E35-9352-48BF-A12A-F4922C3B978C@comcast.net> Is WHDN-LD 38 even on the air anymore? I haven't seen it in over a year. I think their antenna may even be gone. Jeff Lehmann On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Similarly, Boston Market, in the '90s, expanded quickly before they went bankrupt and were bought by McDs. > > Five Guys is arriving in MA and I wonder whether they might be heading toward the same mistake. > > Back to broadcasting: > > Is WHDN-LD (channel 38) carried on any of the local cable systems? I don't think they are on Verizon's channel list where I live. > > --RC > > > On 03/18/2011 10:51 AM, Brian Vita wrote: >> Two words to sum up expansion failure: Krispy Kreme. >> >> >> >> >> Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro& Consumer AV Equipment& Supplies >> >> >> Brian Vita >> President >> >> >>>>> Sonic's model doesn't work north of the Mason-Dixon line, where nobody >> wants to be outside in their car waiting for food in the middle of >> December. They've tried to make inroads in the Midwest, but it's an iffy >> proposition even in places like Cleveland and Fort Wayne; indeed, the >> Fort Wayne locations recently closed, much to my summer travel dismay.<<< >> >> >> > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Mar 18 11:51:22 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:51:22 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 6:40 AM -0400 3/18/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > A sale, if it comes, is likely to be to a chain >that has no presence in New England and views Friendly's as >more-or-less compatible with their target demographics and style. Can >anyone think of such a chain? Brewsters has a small presence in New England, perhaps they would want to expand here. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Mar 18 11:54:28 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:54:28 -0400 Subject: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <20110317112433.esl6ylrh399cowos@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4D8249D1.8020407@fybush.com> <4D828BB9.70107@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110317194214.0282ba70@plymouthcolony.net> <19842.49354.677583.773433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <96116C40518541BAA46C7D1C9DD93EE5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 7:37 AM -0400 3/18/11, Bob DeMattia wrote: > > A sale, if it comes, is likely to be to a chain >> that has no presence in New England and views Friendly's as >> more-or-less compatible with their target demographics and style. Can >> anyone think of such a chain? >> > >Probably something like a Perkins or a Shoney's would serve a similar >demographic, Shoney's is a dying chain, they have greatly reduced their number of locations over the years. There was for a short time two Shoney's in Vermont, but they are long gone. In fact, I think the one near Burlington became a Friendly's. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Mar 18 12:30:23 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:30:23 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: At 12:09 PM -0400 3/18/11, Richard Chonak wrote: >Similarly, Boston Market, in the '90s, expanded quickly before they >went bankrupt and were bought by McDs. > >Five Guys is arriving in MA and I wonder whether they might be >heading toward the same mistake. Five Guys also has a few locations in NH. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 13:05:37 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <61501E35-9352-48BF-A12A-F4922C3B978C@comcast.net> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <61501E35-9352-48BF-A12A-F4922C3B978C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <937408.96791.qm@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I got a signal with nothing on it back in December. I don't know if that was due to my location (put rabbit ears on the main HD set when the cable was out - I can't get anything at all from that station in the back bedroom with the converter box, nor on my portable digital set.). I used to pull it easily when I was living in Framingham a few years ago. From francini@mac.com Fri Mar 18 13:35:14 2011 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:35:14 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: Five Guys seems to be doing quite well by word-of-mouth (or maybe just print) advertising -- I've not heard them on local radio (either Boston or Nashua), and their Nashua location is always packed at lunchtime. I consider them the "In-and-Out" of the Northeast. John On 18 Mar 2011, at 12:30, Larry Weil wrote: > At 12:09 PM -0400 3/18/11, Richard Chonak wrote: >> Similarly, Boston Market, in the '90s, expanded quickly before they went bankrupt and were bought by McDs. >> >> Five Guys is arriving in MA and I wonder whether they might be heading toward the same mistake. > > Five Guys also has a few locations in NH. > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 18 14:20:54 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:20:54 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4D83A286.3090905@fybush.com> John Francini wrote: > Five Guys seems to be doing quite well by word-of-mouth (or maybe > just print) advertising -- I've not heard them on local radio (either > Boston or Nashua), and their Nashua location is always packed at > lunchtime. > > I consider them the "In-and-Out" of the Northeast. > Five Guys opened several locations around Rochester in the last three years or so, and without much in the way of advertising, they always seem to be pretty packed here as well. One of the Rochester locations is just across a parking lot from what was the first Krispy Kreme in town. I remember when *that* opened, circa 1999-2000 - they put on a huge PR campaign for the grand opening, and they were busy for a while, but then fizzled out. The site was vacant for several years but eventually reopened as a Verizon Wireless. On another matter, the Rochester area has always been pretty good for Friendly's, slow service notwithstanding. At least here, a Friendly's/Perkins buyout would create a great deal of redundancy. We lost Perkins for a few years in the late 90s when the local franchisee pulled out, but the company re-entered the market a few years later with several company-owned locations that seem to be doing OK. s From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 15:03:46 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:03:46 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: 5 Guys went into Chicago and is doing very well. In the south Ryan's Steak House is very popular. I recall a Big Boy near Worcester on Rte 9 but that is long gone. > From scott@fybush.com Fri Mar 18 15:16:30 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:16:30 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4D83AF8E.3030200@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > 5 Guys went into Chicago and is doing very well. > > In the south Ryan's Steak House is very popular. > > I recall a Big Boy near Worcester on Rte 9 but that is long gone. > I think a lot of the regional Big Boy franchisees faded away sometime in the 80s. Some (like Elias Brothers in Michigan) kept going without the Big Boy branding; others, like TJ's here in upstate New York and Azar's in Indiana, just closed completely. There's an IHOP now where the TJ's Big Boy here used to be. Frisch's in Ohio would appear to be the last big Big Boy franchisee still going strong, along with the original Bob's Big Boy out west and in metro New York. s From irw@well.com Fri Mar 18 15:29:15 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains In-Reply-To: <4D83AF8E.3030200@fybush.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <4D83AF8E.3030200@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Scott Fybush wrote: > I think a lot of the regional Big Boy franchisees faded away sometime in > the 80s. Some (like Elias Brothers in Michigan) kept going without the > Big Boy branding; others, like TJ's here in upstate New York and Azar's > in Indiana, just closed completely. There's an IHOP now where the TJ's > Big Boy here used to be. You can still get your own franchise: http://www.bigboy.com/franchise.html There are "Big Boy"s in California; that's something I didn't know. There's still an Azar's in Fort Wayne (6800 Bluffton Road in Waynedale). More, also, at: http://www.bobs.net/ - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Mar 18 15:16:31 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:=20Anybody=20know=20who=20this=20clown=20is=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1300475791.90779959@192.168.4.58> I saw this photo too, a while back. The lady is not Judy Valentine. Eileen Kneeland maybe? From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Mar 18 15:24:09 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:24:09 -0400 Subject: Get Well Wishes for Harry "Bud" Nelson Message-ID: <68703681D8644144866B6C19E5069389@Family> Visited Harry "Bud" Nelson at Southern Maine Medical Center in Biddeford this morning. Harry was admitted Sunday with what was thought to be pneumonia but has apparently been since diagnosed as something far worse. He is in the ICU with apparent plans to transport him to a larger hospital that might have a touch more luck (last word was they were hoping for Mass General) in helping to knock this thing down. He could use our thoughts and prayers at this time. Without getting specific, the updated diagnosis is a very nasty infection that does not respond well to known treatments. thanks for the consideration. - - Chuck Igo From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 15:33:30 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mark Davis Message-ID: <50908.8014.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >...and I met WBAP's Mark Davis, asked if he was the > WTIC Mark Davis, was not...said he had been asked that > before.......but you audiophiles probably already knew > that.....) > ? ? The WMEX/WVBF/WTIC(AM) Mark Davis went to work as a reporter for radio with pictures in Connecticut after ending his time as what turned out to be WTIC (AM)'s last live, local 8 p.m.-midnight talk show host around 1980 or so. (IIRC, they picked up the original Larry King radio show in his place.) Mark's been with WTNH-TV, Channel 8, New Haven, ever since, as its state capitol/political reporter.? From wvnh@wvnh.net Fri Mar 18 16:07:08 2011 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (JackM) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:07:08 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> I'm pretty sure that's Willie Whistle. Don't know the lady though. Jack From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 16:44:12 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:44:12 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> Message-ID: It is not Willie http://dickmacalive.blogspot.com/2010/04/willie-whistle.html On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:07 PM, JackM wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that's Willie Whistle. Don't know the lady though. > > Jack > > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Mar 18 17:19:08 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:19:08 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? References: Message-ID: I can't be sure from this, but the features are very similar. A lot of other good stuff here. http://www.captainerniesshowboat.com/kidsshowhostmassachusetts.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? >I came across this picture of all the major Boston TV kid's personalties > from the 60's. > > http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/07315bcec197e2cca1c23c0f440b5279cf478f0.pjpg > > I think the woman in the picture was part of Bozo (Judy Valentine maybe?) > but I have no clue on who the clown is next to her. > Everybody else I think we all know. > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Fri Mar 18 17:06:39 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:06:39 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110318170017.02851ae0@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:03 PM 3/18/2011, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I recall a Big Boy near Worcester on Rte 9 but that is long gone. Various companies owned the Big Boy franchises in the various parts of the country. In Massachusetts and Connecticut they were Abdow's Big Boy restaurants (now defunct, many converted fo Bickford's). Here in the south the biggest Big Boy franchise was Shoney's, which, as noted upstream, has been through bankruptcy and has downsized. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From sid@wrko.com Fri Mar 18 15:37:38 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:37:38 +0000 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "5 Guys went into Chicago and is doing very well." 5 Guys is coming to Redstone Shopping Center in Stoneham, on the north end next to Boston Market. Remodeling work is underway, so they'll probably open in a few weeks. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 18 20:57:59 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:57:59 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > 5 Guys is coming to Redstone Shopping Center in Stoneham, on the > north end next to Boston Market. Remodeling work is underway, so > they'll probably open in a few weeks. The standard thing for franchise restaurants (how did we get onto that topic?!) is to require franchisees to open a large number of new restaurants in their territory within a fairly short period of time. Panera, for example, requires franchisees to open 15 stores in 5 years. One of the first stores in this area has been open for about fifteen years (the were in the old Framingham Mall before it was de-malled), but they just exploded a few years ago as the company demanded that the franchisee expand his operations. -GAWollman ObRadio: I noticed they've been buying a lot of radio lately. From irw@well.com Fri Mar 18 21:14:04 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Garrett Wollman wrote: > (how did we get onto that topic?!) A newsletter I (and some of you) read, calls these matters: "High standard off topic material." Besides, everyone has to eat food. I love Panera. My wallet and food budget have a different opinion. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 21:23:04 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:23:04 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Garrett All I said was that there was a Waffle House next to the WSM transmitter :) On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > (how did we get onto that topic?!) >> > > A newsletter I (and some of you) read, calls these matters: "High standard > off topic material." Besides, everyone has to eat food. > > I love Panera. My wallet and food budget have a different opinion. > > - Blaine > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch > irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Fri Mar 18 21:25:07 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:25:07 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com><001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com><4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> Maybe the subject should be something like the above... :-) I really like Panera also. Generally very good quality, especially the seasonal and megabucks lobster roll. -d From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 18 22:21:34 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:21:34 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> Message-ID: <19844.4910.650745.63833@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Maybe the subject should be something like the above... :-) > I really like Panera also. Generally very good quality, especially the > seasonal and megabucks lobster roll. There's one in Needham in the shadow of the UHF Candelabra. That's the only one I can think of that's in sight of a broadcast tower. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Mar 18 21:24:55 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:24:55 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 6:14 PM -0700 3/18/11, Blaine Thompson wrote: > >I love Panera. My wallet and food budget have a different opinion. The weird thing about Panera is that in the St. Louis area only, where they started, they are known as St. Louis Bread Company. But if you use a credit card there the charge still comes thru as Panera Bread. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 18 23:00:56 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:00:56 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com><001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com><4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> <19844.4910.650745.63833@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5DF3A10BC03A4583AD133BF99B9640EB@SatU205S5044> There's a Panera on Mass Ave in Arlington Heights and another--right next door to McDonald's--in the shopping center at the corner of Trapelo Rd and Lexington St in Waltham. (Or is it the corner of Trapelo Rd and Waltham St in Lexington?) Anyhow, it's very close to the Lexington-Waltham line. Point is, both are within a mile of the 1150/1470 site on Concord Ave in Lexington, and the Panera on Lexington St (or is it Waltham St) might well be within half a mile of the Concord Ave site. AFAIK, you can't see the towers from either restaurant, but if Belmont Hill weren't in the way, you could see the towers from the Arlington location. I live up the hill from Mass Ave and I can see the tops of all four towers from the corner of my block. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:21 PM Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that,and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > < said: > >> Maybe the subject should be something like the above... :-) >> I really like Panera also. Generally very good quality, especially >> the >> seasonal and megabucks lobster roll. > > There's one in Needham in the shadow of the UHF Candelabra. That's > the only one I can think of that's in sight of a broadcast tower. > > -GAWollman > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Mar 18 21:47:06 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:47:06 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> Message-ID: <198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> Just who WAS Willie Whistle? I always thought that was an unusually clever act. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "JackM" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > It is not Willie > > http://dickmacalive.blogspot.com/2010/04/willie-whistle.html > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:07 PM, JackM wrote: > >> >> I'm pretty sure that's Willie Whistle. Don't know the lady though. >> >> Jack >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 18 22:48:57 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:48:57 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com><001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com><4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> <19844.4910.650745.63833@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: There's a Panera on Mass Ave in Arlington Heights and another--right next door to McDonald's--in the shopping center at the corner of Trapelo Rd and Lexington St in Waltham. (Or is it the corner of Trapelo Rd and Waltham St in Lexington?) Anyhow, it's very close to the Lexington-Waltham line. Point is, both are within a mile of the 1150/1470 site on Concord Ave in Lexington, and the Panera on Lexington St (or is it Waltham St) might well be within half a mile of the Concord Ave site. AFAIK, you can't see the towers from either restaurant, but if Belmont Hill weren't in the way, you could see the towers from the Arlington location. I live up the hill from Mass Ave and I can see the tops of all four towers from the corner of my block. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:21 PM Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that,and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > < said: > >> Maybe the subject should be something like the above... :-) >> I really like Panera also. Generally very good quality, especially >> the >> seasonal and megabucks lobster roll. > > There's one in Needham in the shadow of the UHF Candelabra. That's > the only one I can think of that's in sight of a broadcast tower. > > -GAWollman > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Mar 18 23:22:58 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:22:58 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: <198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> <198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: Peter Q. George wrote: >I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was >Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now >retired). And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., Littleton A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played Willie for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the mid-1980s. Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He had previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in Toledo, Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a number of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show on Ch. 38 five days a week. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Mar 18 23:29:46 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:46 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? Message-ID: <20110318232946.pj9kcjo8u74084wk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Well, now we know! Thanks. I wonder what sort of device Beach used to alter his voice? Whatever it was, it was unique; I've never known it to be used anywhere else. Willie's words were clearly distinguishable. -Doug Quoting Bob DeMattia : > Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: > > Peter Q. George wrote: > >I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was > >Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now > >retired). > > And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: > > Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., Littleton > A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played Willie > for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the mid-1980s. > Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He had > previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in Toledo, > Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a number > of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show on Ch. > 38 five days a week. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 19 06:49:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:49:33 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com><001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com><4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <55EC96532C17415CA5E2C7ACF972981C@SatU205S5044> Where Panera started is an interesting discussion. There is a convincing argument that it started in Boston (South Boston, actually) at the Marine Industrial Park, where it maitained its corporate HQ and Boston-area commisary. Back then, the company name was Au Bon Pain. As I recall, the story goes something like this: The guy who is now CEO and chairman of Panera bought Au Bon Pain (whose business was, at the time, mainly takeout), moved the corporate headquarters from Boston to St Louis, changed the corporate name to St Louis Bread Co, and, under the St Louis Bread name, began opening the current Panera style "bakery cafe's," which still do takeout but apparently derive the majority of their revene from eat-in. I believe the first of the cafe's in the Boston area was in Newton Center. That restaurant was about to open under the St Louis Bread name when a last-minute decision was made to use the (brand new) Panera name instead. I think the naming stuff happened back then because the then St Louis Bread Co was in the process of selling off the Au Bon Pain name and the remaining Au Bon Pain locations. Anyhow, Au Bon Pain still exists, and though the menus remain similar, has no connection with Panera, which, by any measure (number of locations, annual revenues, per-store revenues), now dwarfs Au Bon Pain in size. Somewhere on the Web, you can probably find a well-researched version of this story. After St Louis Bread/Panera divested Au Bon Pain, some ABP stores continued under the ABP name. There was one in the Prudential Center. I have no idea whether it still exists. In its heyday, it was very busy all day long but the rent could have been a killer. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Blaine Thompson" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:24 PM Subject: Re: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) > At 6:14 PM -0700 3/18/11, Blaine Thompson wrote: >> >>I love Panera. My wallet and food budget have a different opinion. > > The weird thing about Panera is that in the St. Louis area only, > where they started, they are known as St. Louis Bread Company. But > if you use a credit card there the charge still comes thru as Panera > Bread. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 19 07:41:23 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:41:23 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net><198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <49125DB9963A4595BF70931C17399035@SatU205S5044> Before Channel 38, didn't Beach work at WKOX (then licensed to Framingham)? I think so, but I could be thinking of someone who used the air name Sandy Beach? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "JackM" ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: > > Peter Q. George wrote: >>I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was >>Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now >>retired). > > And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: > > Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., > Littleton > A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played > Willie > for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the > mid-1980s. > Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He > had > previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in > Toledo, > Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a > number > of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show > on Ch. > 38 five days a week. From lspin@comcast.net Sat Mar 19 08:26:02 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:26:02 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net> <198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <000601cbe630$cfe6a8d0$6fb3fa70$@net> There is an absolutely hysterical clip of Willie Whistle floating around Youtube.com where a snake goes down his pants. Sadly, as far as I know, not many clips of Willie still exist. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob DeMattia Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:23 PM And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., Littleton A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played Willie for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the mid-1980s. Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He had previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in Toledo, Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a number of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show on Ch. 38 five days a week. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 09:38:59 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <5DF3A10BC03A4583AD133BF99B9640EB@SatU205S5044> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com><001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com><4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> <19844.4910.650745.63833@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5DF3A10BC03A4583AD133BF99B9640EB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <602314.32305.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There's a Panera in Burlington on Route 3A (it's in a strip mall with Roche Bros. and Outback Steakhouse, across from Herb Chambers Honda) near the WRKO stick. From dave@skywaves.net Sat Mar 19 11:20:41 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:20:41 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: <49125DB9963A4595BF70931C17399035@SatU205S5044> References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net><198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> <49125DB9963A4595BF70931C17399035@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Sandy Beach was a long-time DJ at WKBW in Buffalo back in the heydays of AM. You could hear him all over upstate New York at night. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:41 AM Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > > Before Channel 38, didn't Beach work at WKOX (then licensed to > Framingham)? I think so, but I could be thinking of someone who used > the air name Sandy Beach? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob DeMattia" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: "JackM" ; > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > > >> Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: >> >> Peter Q. George wrote: >>>I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was >>>Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now >>>retired). >> >> And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: >> >> Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., >> Littleton >> A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played >> Willie >> for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the >> mid-1980s. >> Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He >> had >> previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in >> Toledo, >> Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a >> number >> of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show >> on Ch. >> 38 five days a week. > > > From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 19 12:44:52 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:44:52 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: References: <4D83BB6C.5010204@wvnh.net><198285DA4AEF4367AAD063EA91605371@PhilsLaptop> <49125DB9963A4595BF70931C17399035@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D84DD84.1070107@fybush.com> Dave Doherty wrote: > Sandy Beach was a long-time DJ at WKBW in Buffalo back in the heydays of > AM. You could hear him all over upstate New York at night. > Sandy was at WKBW in his DJ days - but he's now at WBEN, where he's morphed into a talk host (and to my ears, an unpleasantly strident one) in middays. s From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 19 13:33:22 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:33:22 -0400 Subject: WHDN (was Re: Food Chains (was: Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville)) In-Reply-To: <55EC96532C17415CA5E2C7ACF972981C@SatU205S5044> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <55EC96532C17415CA5E2C7ACF972981C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19844.59618.307019.590640@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Pain. As I recall, the story goes something like this: The guy who is > now CEO and chairman of Panera bought Au Bon Pain (whose business was, > at the time, mainly takeout), moved the corporate headquarters from > Boston to St Louis, changed the corporate name to St Louis Bread Co, > and, under the St Louis Bread name, began opening the current Panera > style "bakery cafe's," That's not quite right. What actually happened was that Au Bon Pain bought St. Louis Bread Co., which had already started opening Panera Bread stores outside its home territory.[1] The new company then sold off the Au Bon Pain business to private investors, moved headquarters to St. Louis, and renamed itself Panera Bread. They also have a third brand name in the west, Paradise Bakery & Cafe, acquired in 2007. -GAWollman [1] And "St. Louis" just says "Mmm, tasty" to you, right? That's why they only use that name in the St. Louis metropolitan area. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 19 16:17:00 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? Message-ID: <20110319161700.brn27644d7s4s08w@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Wasn't there a Sandy Beach at WDRC in Hartford too? Same guy? -Doug Quoting Dave Doherty : > Sandy Beach was a long-time DJ at WKBW in Buffalo back in the heydays of AM. > You could hear him all over upstate New York at night. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:41 AM > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > > > > > Before Channel 38, didn't Beach work at WKOX (then licensed to > > Framingham)? I think so, but I could be thinking of someone who used > > the air name Sandy Beach? > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob DeMattia" > > To: "Doug Drown" > > Cc: "JackM" ; > > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 PM > > Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > > > > > >> Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: > >> > >> Peter Q. George wrote: > >>>I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was > >>>Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now > >>>retired). > >> > >> And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: > >> > >> Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., > >> Littleton > >> A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played > >> Willie > >> for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the > >> mid-1980s. > >> Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a secret. He > >> had > >> previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in > >> Toledo, > >> Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a > >> number > >> of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show > >> on Ch. > >> 38 five days a week. > > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Sat Mar 19 17:54:39 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? In-Reply-To: <20110319161700.brn27644d7s4s08w@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110319161700.brn27644d7s4s08w@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: Yep, seems so. I just Googled his name and came up with the Sandy Beach show on WBEN. Their site has a bio. http://www.wben.com/Sandy-Beach/2265096 -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Drown" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:17 PM To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Dave Doherty" Cc: "'Boston Radio Interest'" Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? > > Wasn't there a Sandy Beach at WDRC in Hartford too? Same guy? -Doug > > Quoting Dave Doherty : >> Sandy Beach was a long-time DJ at WKBW in Buffalo back in the heydays of >> AM. You could hear him all over upstate New York at night. >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan.Strassberg" >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:41 AM >> Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" >> >> Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? >> >> > >> > Before Channel 38, didn't Beach work at WKOX (then licensed to >> > Framingham)? I think so, but I could be thinking of someone who used >> > the air name Sandy Beach? >> > >> > ----- >> > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> > eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bob DeMattia" >> > To: "Doug Drown" >> > Cc: "JackM" ; >> > >> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 PM >> > Subject: Re: Anybody know who this clown is? >> > >> > >> >> Posted by Donna Halper on November 4, 2005: >> >> >> >> Peter Q. George wrote: >> >>>I have it on good authority that Willie Whistle was >> >>>Dick Beach, a longtime employee of WSBK-TV (now >> >>>retired). >> >> >> >> And Peter gets a cookie!!! From the old "Ask the Globe" column: >> >> >> >> Q. Who used to play the clown Willie Whistle on Channel 38? D.S., >> >> Littleton >> >> A. That was the station's program director Dick Beach, who played >> >> Willie >> >> for nearly two decades before retiring and moving West in the >> >> mid-1980s. Throughout the period Beach kept Willie's true identity a >> >> secret. He >> >> had >> >> previously, in 1962, played a clown named Salty at a TV station in >> >> Toledo, >> >> Ohio. In addition to his managerial duties, and playing Willie in a >> >> number >> >> of charitable appearances, Beach also hosted a mornin g cartoon show >> >> on Ch. 38 five days a week. >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Mar 19 18:32:02 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:32:02 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville In-Reply-To: <602314.32305.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <122b4.45ff122c.3ab3fbd0@aol.com> <001801cbe57b$ff7ad810$fe708830$@com> <4D8383B7.6060407@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1235F8@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19843.65431.430518.961078@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8E064E52D8AF4668857E51A6ADBBB222@dave> <19844.4910.650745.63833@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5DF3A10BC03A4583AD133BF99B9640EB@SatU205S5044> <602314.32305.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I worked in Burlington a group of ten from our office went there for lunch. When we were there, the power went out. After a short while, the manager found out that the power was going to be out for the rest of the afternoon. They then proceeded to give away all the prepared food that they wouldn't be able refrigerate properly. Lots of free food. What can be better? -Bob On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > There's a Panera in Burlington on Route 3A (it's in a strip mall with Roche > Bros. and Outback Steakhouse, across from Herb Chambers Honda) near the WRKO > stick. > > > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 19 17:41:40 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:41:40 -0400 Subject: Whistle's whistle Message-ID: <20110319174140.60lsv71sdsu8wc44@webmail.myfairpoint.net> This interesting thread has gone on, but no one has yet answered my previous question: How did Willie Whistle distort his voice the way he did? Or is this lost to history? -Doug From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 20 00:22:46 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:22:46 -0400 Subject: Whistle's whistle In-Reply-To: <20110319174140.60lsv71sdsu8wc44@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110319174140.60lsv71sdsu8wc44@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4D858116.2070108@attorneyross.com> On 3/19/2011 5:41 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > This interesting thread has gone on, but no one has yet answered my previous question: How did Willie Whistle distort his voice the way he did? Or is this lost to history? -Doug I think someone on this forum, a number of years ago, said that he had a whistle of some sort inside his mouth. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Mar 20 12:24:51 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Whistle's whistle Message-ID: <185.4a221ee3.3ab78453@aol.com> They were common whistles you put under your tongue. All of the joke shops in Boston sold them. Mike In a message dated 3/20/2011 12:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>How did Willie Whistle distort his voice the way he did? Or is this lost to history?<<< From attychase@comcast.net Sun Mar 20 22:22:39 2011 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:22:39 -0400 Subject: Willie Whistle References: Message-ID: <920663E05EAD4D34A00C2652379AC142@HOMEOFFICE> In fact that is what it was, a whistle he kept in his mouth. Not sure how he did it or what type of whistle it was but I know it was called a whistle. Reason, I was running camera one day at WSBK while they were taping the show and they stopped the tape and reshot when he "lost his whistle" as it came shooting out of his mouth.. > On 3/19/2011 5:41 PM, Doug Drown wrote: >> This interesting thread has gone on, but no one has yet answered my >> previous question: How did Willie Whistle distort his voice the way he >> did? Or is this lost to history? -Doug > > I think someone on this forum, a number of years ago, said that he had a > whistle of some sort inside his mouth. > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:03:06 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: Willie Whistle In-Reply-To: <920663E05EAD4D34A00C2652379AC142@HOMEOFFICE> References: <920663E05EAD4D34A00C2652379AC142@HOMEOFFICE> Message-ID: <4D86BFEA.7040700@gmail.com> On 3/20/2011 10:22 PM, Robert S Chase wrote: > In fact that is what it was, a whistle he kept in his mouth. Not sure > how he did it or what type of whistle it was but I know it was called > a whistle. Reason, I was running camera one day at WSBK while they > were taping the show and they stopped the tape and reshot when he > "lost his whistle" as it came shooting out of his mouth.. Would that classify as a wardrobe malfunction? And under what union would the worker be who captured the errant whistle and handed it to him (or reinserted it to specs)? Bill O'Neill From attychase@comcast.net Sun Mar 20 22:54:50 2011 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:54:50 -0400 Subject: Swazzle and the snake References: Message-ID: Although I didn't know it at the time apparently the whistle function was from what is called a swazzle. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swazzle This information comes from the link at http://www.universalhub.com/node/23486 which has a clip of Willie's encounter with a snake and some blog comments where the swazzle is mentioned. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:22:46 -0400 > From: A Joseph Ross > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Whistle's whistle > Message-ID: <4D858116.2070108@attorneyross.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 3/19/2011 5:41 PM, Doug Drown wrote: >> This interesting thread has gone on, but no one has yet answered my >> previous question: How did Willie Whistle distort his voice the way he >> did? Or is this lost to history? -Doug > > I think someone on this forum, a number of years ago, said that he had a > whistle of some sort inside his mouth. > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From ehennessy@verizon.net Mon Mar 21 07:40:34 2011 From: ehennessy@verizon.net (Ed Hennessy) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:40:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville Message-ID: <1470518353.703783.1300707634984.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> There's a Panera in Gateway Center, across the Malden River from the WKOX (nee WXKS) stick, and it probably is within sight of the WEZE ones too... And a Five Guys is opening in Station Landing in Medford (Wellington Circle) in a couple of months. And the old Kiss-108 studios are supposed to be demolished soon with a Sonic built on that site.? Right now that's in review for parking issues and to re-zone from the industrial zone it is now. Ed Hennessy On Mar 18, 2011, Garrett Wollman wrote: < said: > Maybe the subject should be something like the above... :-) > I really like Panera also. Generally very good quality, especially the > seasonal and megabucks lobster roll. There's one in Needham in the shadow of the UHF Candelabra. That's the only one I can think of that's in sight of a broadcast tower. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 21 09:03:39 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:03:39 -0400 Subject: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that, and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville References: <1470518353.703783.1300707634984.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> Message-ID: Well, the parking lot at the 99 Revere Beach Parkway location does double duty. Beneath the asphalt lies most of the 1430/1090 ground system. A restaurant can't get much closer to an AM transmitter than that. OTOH, I guess the Top of the Hub is even clser than that to a large number of FM transmitters;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Hennessy" To: Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Back to Food Chains, was WHDN, was Food Chains before that,and started out as Blaw-Knox towers and Nashville > And the old Kiss-108 studios are supposed to be demolished soon with > a Sonic built on that site. Right now that's in review for parking > issues and to re-zone from the industrial zone it is now. > > Ed Hennessy From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 17:22:40 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:22:40 -0400 Subject: Anybody know who this clown is? Message-ID: The woman is definitely not Judy Valentine (the former Mrs. Sherm Feller), it is also not Miss Jean (Harrington) of the Boston Romper Room franchise. One possibility is that it could be one of the fringe market Romper Room hosts or the woman who sat in for Miss Jean, but I'd say it looks more like some kind of short-lived kids morning show on WHDH, which explains the proximity to Bob Cottle. I don't think this is a real group shot, given that, why is Dick Kilbride posed with his arm on Bob Emery's head and why is Ed McDonnell resting his elbow on Pablo's shoulder. The woman, the clown and Bob Cottle seems to be a single shot, cut and pasted in with the others. If it's real it's no later than 1967 when Pablo died. Bob Emery ended his run on Clubhouse 4 the next year. From christie12@verizon.net Sat Mar 19 16:41:11 2011 From: christie12@verizon.net (John Christie) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:41:11 -0400 Subject: Hd concerns Message-ID: I'm blind and purchased the Vision Free Hd Radio from Dice Electronics. I am having reception problems getting some Hd 2 and 3 stations. Does anybody have any suggestions on how I can improve fm reception with getting Hd 2 stations? I need help setting up the loop antenna. Do you have any suggestions on what I could tell the person who sets up the loop antenna. I live in Weymouth and can occasionally get wmjx Hd two and wror hd two but it comes on and off when I stand near the radio but when I get away from the radio sometimes it doesn't come in. I can also get the classic country station and wsne smooth jazz hd 2 as well as wbmx Hd two and 3 and wzlx Hd 2 and 3. Thanks. From torchia@technologist.com Sun Mar 20 13:18:23 2011 From: torchia@technologist.com (torchia@technologist.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:18:23 -0400 Subject: WJTO Message-ID: <8CDB539F3D49BE4-18B8-B28D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Wonderful article with photos of Bob Bittner in today's Lewiston Sun Journal. http://www.sunjournal.com/bplus/story/993643 Bud Torchia From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 19:41:32 2011 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kria Sakakeeny leaving anchor desk at WMUR TV Channel 9 Manchester NH Message-ID: <498090.55754.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the conclusion of Sunday night's 11pm news, weekend anchor and weekday reporting Kria Sakakeeny announced this was her last newscast at WMUR Channel 9 Manchester NH. Kria has been with Channel 9 for six years. John B From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 21 20:54:37 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:54:37 -0400 Subject: Hd concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D87F34D.3000404@fybush.com> On 3/19/2011 4:41 PM, John Christie wrote: > I'm blind and purchased the Vision Free Hd Radio from Dice > Electronics. > > I am having reception problems getting some Hd 2 and 3 stations. Does > anybody have any suggestions on how I can improve fm reception with > getting Hd 2 stations? I need help setting up the loop antenna. Do > you have any suggestions on what I could tell the person who sets up > the loop antenna. I live in Weymouth and can occasionally get wmjx > Hd two and wror hd two but it comes on and off when I stand near the > radio but when I get away from the radio sometimes it doesn't come > in. I can also get the classic country station and wsne smooth jazz > hd 2 as well as wbmx Hd two and 3 and wzlx Hd 2 and 3. Thanks. The loop antenna is for AM. What you need is the FM dipole antenna, which should have come with the radio as well. It's a piece of wire shaped like a "T." You want to hang it up so the top of the T is parallel to the floor, as high as possible, and ideally aimed northwest-southeast so it's broadside to the transmitter sites in Boston. s From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 22 13:51:14 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:51:14 -0400 Subject: WLNE sold for $4 million Message-ID: http://ww.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=14297407 There is no getting around how stunning this price is in a market the size of Providence.... it really makes you wonder how much the station is billing. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:02:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:02:30 -0400 Subject: Former WXKS studio location may become a Sonic Burger Message-ID: This certainly fits in with our discussion last week. http://insidemedford.com/2011/03/22/sonic-looking-to-come-to-medford/ WBCN became Jerry Remy's so... How long as WXKS been out of the building? From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Mar 22 14:09:43 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:09:43 -0400 Subject: WLNE sold for $4 million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Citadel Communications gets the award for most succinct website: http://www.citadelltd.com/ On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > This article has a tiny bit more information: > > > > http://www.examiner.com/business-headlines-in-providence/citadel-buys-wlne-6-for-4-million > > > > -Bob > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Mar 22 14:07:13 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:07:13 -0400 Subject: WLNE sold for $4 million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This article has a tiny bit more information: http://www.examiner.com/business-headlines-in-providence/citadel-buys-wlne-6-for-4-million -Bob On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://ww.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=14297407 > > > There is no getting around how stunning this price is in a market the size > of Providence.... it really makes you wonder how much the station is > billing. > From Cdsull502@aol.com Tue Mar 22 15:15:11 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WLNE Sale Message-ID: <45f92.6caa6632.3aba4f3f@aol.com> The Providence Journal web site has a bit more information on the sale. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Mar 22 14:24:46 2011 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:24:46 -0400 Subject: WLNE sold for $4 million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not billing. More likely, how much it is loosing. $4 million might just be the first cost. The real cost to turn the station around could be many times that amount. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://ww.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=14297407 > > > There is no getting around how stunning this price is in a market the size > of Providence.... it really makes you wonder how much the station is > billing. > From Cdsull502@aol.com Tue Mar 22 15:13:03 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Amazing WLNE Numbers Message-ID: <45d67.5ae48e4d.3aba4ebf@aol.com> Consider this: The first time the station was sold was in 1966. The original ownership group sold the then WTEV to Steinman Stations for $5,775,000 in 1966 dollars. Based on the US Bureau of Labor Statistics Inflation Calculator, that amount is equal to $39,446,000 in 2011 dollars. Yet today, the station was sold for an amount equal in real dollars that are about 9.8% of what it was worth 45 years ago. Add to that the fact that 6 wasn't doing all that well when it was first sold in '66! Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From Cdsull502@aol.com Tue Mar 22 15:25:37 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Amazing WLNE Numbers Message-ID: <46935.42d2b8ec.3aba51b0@aol.com> Consider this: The first time the station was sold was in 1966. The original ownership group sold the then WTEV to Steinman Stations for $5,775,000 in 1966 dollars. Based on the US Bureau of Labor Statistics Inflation Calculator, that amount is equal to $39,446,000 in 2011 dollars. Yet today, the station was sold for an amount equal in real dollars that are about 9.8% of what it was worth 45 years ago. Add to that the fact that 6 wasn't doing all that well when it was first sold in '66! Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:57:17 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:57:17 -0400 Subject: Amazing WLNE Numbers In-Reply-To: <45d67.5ae48e4d.3aba4ebf@aol.com> References: <45d67.5ae48e4d.3aba4ebf@aol.com> Message-ID: WTEV had quite the history http://menujoy.com/wtev/index.htm On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:13 PM, wrote: > Consider this: The first time the station was sold was in 1966. The > original ownership group sold the then WTEV to Steinman Stations for > $5,775,000 > in 1966 dollars. Based on the US Bureau of Labor Statistics Inflation > Calculator, that amount is equal to $39,446,000 in 2011 dollars. Yet > today, > the station was sold for an amount equal in real dollars that are about > 9.8% > of what it was worth 45 years ago. Add to that the fact that 6 wasn't > doing all that well when it was first sold in '66! > > Chris Sullivan > CdSull502@aol.com > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 15:20:38 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLNE sold for $4 million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <317012.57835.qm@web161309.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> When you think that WZMY went for $9.25m it's baffling. I guess technically being in the Boston market counts for something. Since it's an ownership group with a track record ABC looks like they'll stick around. I don't know if new ownership will cut the newsroom or make a deal with NECN to produce news for them. (My usualy disclaimer: I work for CSN but have no direct inside knowledge. I just know it's a possibility that management seems to be open to at this time.) From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Mar 22 15:25:47 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:47 -0400 Subject: Former WXKS studio location may become a Sonic Burger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The old Magic studios on Stuart Street are now a dining room of Grill 23. On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > This certainly fits in with our discussion last week. > > http://insidemedford.com/2011/03/22/sonic-looking-to-come-to-medford/ > > WBCN became Jerry Remy's so... > > How long as WXKS been out of the building? From DanKelleher@clearchannel.com Wed Mar 23 11:32:37 2011 From: DanKelleher@clearchannel.com (Kelleher, Daniel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:32:37 -0500 Subject: Hd concerns Message-ID: Hello FM HD uses digital carriers surrounding the analog frequency. The power of the digital signal was limited to -20 dBc or 1% of the analog power. A 50,000 watt ERP analog FM station only has a HD power of 500 watts. The FCC approved a FM HD power increase of 10 dB last year and stations can now use a HD power of 10% of the analog power. But not all have made this increase. There is some good dope about FM HD on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio#FM . That said... even with stations running 10% there can still be an issue of getting enough rf into the HD radio so it can be decoded reliably. This seems to be the frustration John is experiencing. The solution is to get more signal into the radio. If possible use an outdoor antenna. A simple S shaped omnidirectional dipole might work just fine. If not then a yagi will give more gain but is directional. Sometimes a left over analog TV antenna on the roof works really well. If an indoor antenna is the only option I have had best luck with folded dipole style antennas. Spread the legs apart and experiment with placement for best reception. I have not had good results with "amplified" antennas. The exception to that is TERK which makes some amplified antennas that are full size. About 4 feet long. They are meant to be mounted outdoors and have amplification. I imagine these would work pretty well inside too. AM HD works differently than FM HD. But AM HD also needs enough digital signal to work reliably. I have had poor results using the factory supplied loop antennas. I have had good results with even a short length of wire run outside. AM HD can still be disrupted by static or dimmer emissions so placement of the loop or wire can be critical. AM HD has no secondary channels, just HD1 which is a duplicate of the analog audio. The digital nature of FM HD allows features to be added within the data stream. itunes tagging, data such as traffic reports and extended text, and other cross media connections are adding some unique value to this mode. Dan Kelleher CE WSRS FM HD1 HD2 WTAG AM HD I am having reception problems getting some Hd 2 and 3 stations. Does anybody have any suggestions on how I can improve fm reception with getting Hd 2 stations? I need help setting up the loop antenna. Do you have any suggestions on what I could tell the person who sets up the loop antenna. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 13:52:43 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:52:43 -0400 Subject: WDRC.... Message-ID: Anyone know who is currently programming WDRC in Hartford? They seem to be doing pretty well in the ratings. I recall Gary James was the PD for awhile...anyone know who is programming them now? D From hmglaz@att.net Sat Mar 26 15:42:24 2011 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WDRC.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <210390.17800.qm@web180302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Grahame Winters has been programming the FM for the past two or three years. She's been there in various capacities for much longer. The station has pretty much completed its slow transition from oldies to classic hits, although you'll still hear a pre-British Invasion tune every two or three hours. Seems like more '80s songs are added weekly, so those golden gems may not be much longer for the airwaves here in Connecticut. Howard --- On Sat, 3/26/11, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org wrote: Anyone know who is currently programming WDRC in Hartford? They seem to be doing pretty well in the ratings. I recall Gary James was the PD for awhile...anyone know who is programming them now? D From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 27 22:58:34 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:58:34 -0400 Subject: Donna on the radio Message-ID: <201103280336.p2S3acJK038800@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Unless they cancel me at the last minute, I'm gonna be doing a few minutes on WBUR's Radio Boston at 3 pm tomorrow (Monday), discussing my new book and Boston radio. As you all know, WBUR is at 90.9 FM, and they will have a podcast up on their website later, I am told. I believe they also have a live stream. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 28 20:01:05 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:01:05 -0400 Subject: Donna on the radio Message-ID: <201103290037.p2T0bAch046384@tsornin.bostonradio.org> For those who missed it, I had a lot of fun on the air at Radio Boston, talking about some of the legendary broadcasters-- wish we'd had more time, but I think we made a pretty good start. If you want the podcast, it's here: http://radioboston.wbur.org/2011/03/28/boston-radio From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 10:11:32 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:11:32 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... Message-ID: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> WBZ 990 was no more. WHDH 830 ceased to exist. WROL 920? A thing of the past. WNAC was unavailable on 1230. WJAR left 890 for good. Happy NARBA day! s From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 10:35:53 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:35:53 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> Message-ID: <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 10:11 AM 3/29/2011, Scott Fybush wrote: >> WBZ 990 was no more. WHDH 830 ceased to exist. WROL 920? A thing of >> the past. WNAC was unavailable on 1230. WJAR left 890 for good. > > The newspapers headlined it "Radio Moving Day" and actually showed > diagrams of how to tune your radio to the new stations. There were > push-button radios now, so you could set your buttons as well. Oh boy. > And of course there was no "WROL" in Boston back then...I meant to say WORL! (The WROL calls were then on 620 in Knoxville.) s From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Mar 29 10:20:21 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:20:21 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <201103291456.p2TEujWU094726@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> At 10:11 AM 3/29/2011, Scott Fybush wrote: >WBZ 990 was no more. WHDH 830 ceased to exist. WROL 920? A thing of >the past. WNAC was unavailable on 1230. WJAR left 890 for good. The newspapers headlined it "Radio Moving Day" and actually showed diagrams of how to tune your radio to the new stations. There were push-button radios now, so you could set your buttons as well. Oh boy. From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 10:56:47 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:56:47 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D91F32F.6090604@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Certainly didn't work all well for some Canadian stations not owned by > the government. ( see CFCF) > > Scott - was it by accident or design that the NY and Chicago stations > were assigned to adjacent channels? A little of both, I think. They were adjacent even before NARBA - 660/670, 710/720, 760/770, 860/870. Before NARBA, there was a mandatory 50 kHz spacing between local AM stations, so in each city stations were spaced in even 50 kHz increments up from the bottom of the dial. In the 1928 dial realignment, the 50 kHz increments starting at 660 were almost the only ones that had US clear channels available every 50 kHz going up. (650/700/750/800 would have worked as well, but 680/730/780/830 hit a Mexican-Canadian clear at 730 and a regional channel at 780, while 690/740/790/840 hit Canadian clears at 690 and 840.) It might indeed have made sense to use 650/700/750/800 in New York, but then WLW might have ended up on 710 with even more painful short-spacing to WGN. From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 29 10:32:02 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:32:02 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <91830E69DECB464BAE66EB2634A51A0B@dave> And Happy NARBA Day to you, Scott! As I recall, WGY moved from 790 to 810, which is why its tower is just a tad more than halfwave... -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Fybush" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:11 AM To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Subject: 70 years ago today... > > WBZ 990 was no more. WHDH 830 ceased to exist. WROL 920? A thing of the > past. WNAC was unavailable on 1230. WJAR left 890 for good. > > Happy NARBA day! > > s > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 11:06:14 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:06:14 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D91F566.6030104@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I thought it was March 31. And also, I read that a large number of > stations did not make the transition right away. I assume that they > were granted STAs to continue using their old facilities for several > weeks, or even months until new equipment (when necessary) could be > delivered and the necessary work could be done. 3 AM ET, March 29, was the transition point. I highly recommend a visit to David Gleason's americanradiohistory.com to look at the 3/31/41 issue of Broadcasting, which contains several articles about the transition. Page 11 describes some of the temporary frequencies and power levels granted to several stations during the transition. In most cases, though, the work was indeed completed overnight March 28-29. > As for WROL Boston, it was not a thing of the past; it was still a > thing of the future--for several decades to come. In 1941, was the > station already WORL (NOT WROL) or was it still WBSO Wellesley (AFAIK, > unrelated to the Boston Symphony Orchestra; the calls stood for Babson > Statistical Organization, a progenitor of today's Babson College). And > where was the transmitter? Wellesley? By 1941, I imagine that WHDH was > using the site on Lynn Marsh Rd (Rt 107) in Saugus. But was the > antenna a long-wire or had it already been replaced by self-supporting > vertical towers? Did WHDH go full-time concurrent with NARBA or did it > remain a daytimer until sometime later? If the latter, then there > might have been, nevertheless, two towers at the Saugus site, because > the station knew that it would have to protect KOA when it eventually > went full-time. Had someone been prescient enough to place the two > towers, which very likely initially supported a long-wire, on an > east-west line (required to protect KOA) and were the towers tall > enough and spaced properly to become a DA with the required pattern? > Inquiring minds... Correction already noted on the WORL/WROL calls. WORL replaced WBSO in 1935, still from the Wellesley site. 950 didn't move to Saugus until about 1950. And page 10 of the 3/31/41 Broadcasting tells us that the FCC had just granted WHDH's application for fulltime operation on 830/850, over strong protests from KOA. > The WROL calls did not grace 950 until the '60s or '70s. WORL first > became WRYT and then WROL. At the time of NARBA, the WROL calls might > have been on the AM 620 in Knoxville TN, if that station even existed > in March 1941. It did, and they were. s From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 11:09:41 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:09:41 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D91F635.7050003@fybush.com> And reading deeper into the 3/31/41 Broadcasting, I find an item that I never, ever knew about WBZ's history: Westinghouse applied at the time of the NARBA shifts to move WBZA from 990 to 970, where it would have become a 5,000-watt station completely separate from WBZ on 1030 in Boston. The application was, obviously, never granted...but it makes for an interesting "what if," doesn't it? s From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 11:23:48 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:48 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> <4D91F32F.6090604@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4D91F984.709@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But the short spacing that bothered WLW the most (and caused WLW to > construct a DA) was to 690 in Toronto. My understanding is that 690 did > not move to Montreal until NARBA or shortly thereafter. And I believe it > was the WLW situation that put 740 in Toronto to replace 690, which was > moved to Montreal. WLW's (four tower, I think) DA with a rather simple > pattern went bye-bye after the 500-kW "experimental" operation was > finally turned off. WLW's directional was only two towers - the big gun and a passive tower a considerable distance to the northeast to reduce radiation toward Toronto. The 690 allocation in Toronto was CFRB's, and it was moved to the new Canadian clear of 860. Later on, the CBC big-footed the 860 allocation, forcing CFRB up the dial to 1010, where its own CBY/CJBC had been located. By the table method, it should have been CBL on 840 going to 860, but CBL instead moved to the new Canadian clear of 740 (created by inserting a 10 kHz "shim" between CKAC, which stayed on 730, and WSB, which moved from 740 to 750.) CBF in Montreal had been on 910 (the channel that went to 940 for CBM, which had been on 960 and would otherwise have gone to 990, a frequency that then became open for CKGM a few years later), and moved to 690 when that channel opened up in 1941. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 29 10:55:02 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:55:02 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> Message-ID: I thought it was March 31. And also, I read that a large number of stations did not make the transition right away. I assume that they were granted STAs to continue using their old facilities for several weeks, or even months until new equipment (when necessary) could be delivered and the necessary work could be done. As for WROL Boston, it was not a thing of the past; it was still a thing of the future--for several decades to come. In 1941, was the station already WORL (NOT WROL) or was it still WBSO Wellesley (AFAIK, unrelated to the Boston Symphony Orchestra; the calls stood for Babson Statistical Organization, a progenitor of today's Babson College). And where was the transmitter? Wellesley? By 1941, I imagine that WHDH was using the site on Lynn Marsh Rd (Rt 107) in Saugus. But was the antenna a long-wire or had it already been replaced by self-supporting vertical towers? Did WHDH go full-time concurrent with NARBA or did it remain a daytimer until sometime later? If the latter, then there might have been, nevertheless, two towers at the Saugus site, because the station knew that it would have to protect KOA when it eventually went full-time. Had someone been prescient enough to place the two towers, which very likely initially supported a long-wire, on an east-west line (required to protect KOA) and were the towers tall enough and spaced properly to become a DA with the required pattern? Inquiring minds... The WROL calls did not grace 950 until the '60s or '70s. WORL first became WRYT and then WROL. At the time of NARBA, the WROL calls might have been on the AM 620 in Knoxville TN, if that station even existed in March 1941. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: 70 years ago today... > WBZ 990 was no more. WHDH 830 ceased to exist. WROL 920? A thing of > the past. WNAC was unavailable on 1230. WJAR left 890 for good. > > Happy NARBA day! > > s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 29 11:13:52 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:13:52 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> <4D91F32F.6090604@fybush.com> Message-ID: But the short spacing that bothered WLW the most (and caused WLW to construct a DA) was to 690 in Toronto. My understanding is that 690 did not move to Montreal until NARBA or shortly thereafter. And I believe it was the WLW situation that put 740 in Toronto to replace 690, which was moved to Montreal. WLW's (four tower, I think) DA with a rather simple pattern went bye-bye after the 500-kW "experimental" operation was finally turned off. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: Re: 70 years ago today... > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Certainly didn't work all well for some Canadian stations not owned >> by the government. ( see CFCF) >> >> Scott - was it by accident or design that the NY and Chicago >> stations were assigned to adjacent channels? > > A little of both, I think. They were adjacent even before NARBA - > 660/670, 710/720, 760/770, 860/870. Before NARBA, there was a > mandatory 50 kHz spacing between local AM stations, so in each city > stations were spaced in even 50 kHz increments up from the bottom of > the dial. In the 1928 dial realignment, the 50 kHz increments > starting at 660 were almost the only ones that had US clear channels > available every 50 kHz going up. (650/700/750/800 would have worked > as well, but 680/730/780/830 hit a Mexican-Canadian clear at 730 and > a regional channel at 780, while 690/740/790/840 hit Canadian clears > at 690 and 840.) > > It might indeed have made sense to use 650/700/750/800 in New York, > but then WLW might have ended up on 710 with even more painful > short-spacing to WGN. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 29 10:50:22 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:50:22 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> Message-ID: Certainly didn't work all well for some Canadian stations not owned by the government. ( see CFCF) Scott - was it by accident or design that the NY and Chicago stations were assigned to adjacent channels? From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Mar 29 11:09:39 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:09:39 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <201103291456.p2TEujWU094726@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <201103291456.p2TEujWU094726@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I think one thing that gets overlooked today is in 1941 nighttime still was where the revenue was for radio - I would think in 1941, WBZ and WEEI were the main night players in Boston with WNAC a distant third only because of the network affilations. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 29 13:17:06 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:17:06 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> <4D91F32F.6090604@fybush.com> <4D91F984.709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6F989606FEB14F07A2D65E4EE843393E@SatU205S5044> CKGM was on 980--not 990--for many years. 990, was home, in addition to CBW, to WNOX and WIBG, both running 10 kW-U in the eastern US. WNTP (which used to be WIBG) now runs 50 kW-D/10 kW-N and, thanks to changes in the US Canadian treaty that governs 990 (and probably some other channels), was able, maybe 20 years ago, to remove one of the towers from what had been its five-tower night array. As some point, a 990 was added in Miami (only 5 kW-U). And now there is another in Orlando 50 kW-D/14 kW-N. Also, WLGZ, in what has to be one of the more bizarre stories related to US/Canadian AM channels, moved from 680 to 990, what? 30 years ago? (Maybe more.) I think all of that reconfiguration of 990 was what got CKGM onto 990 with 50 kW-U. And I believe that it was CKGM's decamping from 980 that made it possible for WTRY (now WOFX) to change from DA-1 to DA-N. And how much of a role did WTRY's daytime change play in WCAP's power increase and change from ND-D to DA-2? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:23 AM Subject: Re: 70 years ago today... > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> But the short spacing that bothered WLW the most (and caused WLW to >> construct a DA) was to 690 in Toronto. My understanding is that 690 >> did not move to Montreal until NARBA or shortly thereafter. And I >> believe it was the WLW situation that put 740 in Toronto to replace >> 690, which was moved to Montreal. WLW's (four tower, I think) DA >> with a rather simple pattern went bye-bye after the 500-kW >> "experimental" operation was finally turned off. > > WLW's directional was only two towers - the big gun and a passive > tower a considerable distance to the northeast to reduce radiation > toward Toronto. > > The 690 allocation in Toronto was CFRB's, and it was moved to the > new Canadian clear of 860. Later on, the CBC big-footed the 860 > allocation, forcing CFRB up the dial to 1010, where its own CBY/CJBC > had been located. > > By the table method, it should have been CBL on 840 going to 860, > but CBL instead moved to the new Canadian clear of 740 (created by > inserting a 10 kHz "shim" between CKAC, which stayed on 730, and > WSB, which moved from 740 to 750.) > > CBF in Montreal had been on 910 (the channel that went to 940 for > CBM, which had been on 960 and would otherwise have gone to 990, a > frequency that then became open for CKGM a few years later), and > moved to 690 when that channel opened up in 1941. > > s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 29 13:23:20 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:23:20 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com><201103291456.p2TEujWU094726@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <911F8F1E324A436683E24DF071CC1A51@SatU205S5044> In 1941 was WBZ NBC-Red or NBC-Blue? WEEI (590) was CBS. WNAC (1260) was Yankee Network/Mutual. What year did WBZ drop NBC-Blue (along with Mutual, one of the two lesser major networks) and pick up NBC-Red (along with CBS, one of the two greater major networks)? The FCC's duopoly decision came along in (I think) 1943 and resulted in the reconfiguration of network affiliations all across the US. That may have been when WBZ switched from Blue to Red. In Boston, once that happened, the location of NBC-Blue (later just the Blue Network and still later, ABC) became very unstable. At one point (1946 or 1947) as WLAW (680) was readying to increase power to 50 kW-U and move its transmitter from Andover to Burlington, thus, in effect, becoming a Boston station, CBS was apparently negotiating to buy 680 and, presumably, to divest itself of 590. That deal fell through and then both WLAW and WCOP (1150) affiliated with the Blue Network. That was possible because WLAW, though it maintained studios in Boston and had a much better signal in Boston than 1150, was licensed to Lawrence. During all of this, WHDH (850) remained an independent, modeling itself on New York's very successful WNEW (1130) but with the added advantage of carrying both Red Sox and Braves PBP. I imagine that the PBP for a lot of games was re-created on delay from the wire-service ticker. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: 70 years ago today... >I think one thing that gets overlooked today is in 1941 nighttime >still was > where the revenue was for radio - I would think in 1941, WBZ and > WEEI were > the main night players in Boston with WNAC a distant third only > because of > the network affilations. From scott@fybush.com Tue Mar 29 13:32:18 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <6F989606FEB14F07A2D65E4EE843393E@SatU205S5044> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <20110329142105.A7A3330F3E@mailwash6.pair.com> <4D91EE49.3080806@fybush.com> <4D91F32F.6090604@fybush.com> <4D91F984.709@fybush.com> <6F989606FEB14F07A2D65E4EE843393E@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D9217A2.8020408@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > CKGM was on 980--not 990--for many years. 990, was home, in addition > to CBW, to WNOX and WIBG, both running 10 kW-U in the eastern US. WNTP > (which used to be WIBG) now runs 50 kW-D/10 kW-N and, thanks to > changes in the US Canadian treaty that governs 990 (and probably some > other channels), was able, maybe 20 years ago, to remove one of the > towers from what had been its five-tower night array. As some point, a > 990 was added in Miami (only 5 kW-U). And now there is another in > Orlando 50 kW-D/14 kW-N. Also, WLGZ, in what has to be one of the more > bizarre stories related to US/Canadian AM channels, moved from 680 to > 990, what? 30 years ago? (Maybe more.) I think all of that > reconfiguration of 990 was what got CKGM onto 990 with 50 kW-U. All true - but there *was* a Montreal AM station on 990 in the 1940s, just not, as I'd said, CKGM. It was CKVL that started out on 990 in 1946 once the frequency had been vacated by the CBC. But CKVL didn't stay long on 990; it soon filed to move to 980, where it remained until 1955, when it moved to 850, clearing the way for CKGM to sign on in 1959. (Canada moved its AM frequencies around a lot in that era; what eventually became 640 in Toronto was on 1310 and later 1320, for instance.) I'm pretty sure CKGM's move to 990, and possibly WTRY's daytime change, both came after WCAP went fulltime, but I'd have to ask Maurice Cohen to be sure. s From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 29 22:56:23 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:56:23 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <91830E69DECB464BAE66EB2634A51A0B@dave> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <91830E69DECB464BAE66EB2634A51A0B@dave> Message-ID: <4D929BD7.6070908@attorneyross.com> On 3/29/2011 10:32 AM, Dave Doherty wrote: > And Happy NARBA Day to you, Scott! > > As I recall, WGY moved from 790 to 810, which is why its tower is just > a tad more than halfwave... And, FWIW, the initials WGY often appear at the end of the docket number on cases in the Massachusetts Federal District Court. I always do a double-take when I see it, but it's to indicate that the case is assigned to Judge William G. Young. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 29 23:11:20 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:11:20 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <911F8F1E324A436683E24DF071CC1A51@SatU205S5044> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com><201103291456.p2TEujWU094726@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <911F8F1E324A436683E24DF071CC1A51@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D929F58.7000206@attorneyross.com> On 3/29/2011 1:23 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > During all of this, WHDH (850) remained an independent, modeling > itself on New York's very successful WNEW (1130) but with the added > advantage of carrying both Red Sox and Braves PBP. I imagine that the > PBP for a lot of games was re-created on delay from the wire-service > ticker. I remember sometime around 1949 or 1950 sitting with my father as he listened to a baseball game on the radio where there was all this clicking before the announcer said anything. My dad explained to me that the announcer was sitting in Boston and reading the game plays from a ticker. I didn't quite know what a ticker was, and I thought he was somehow able to interpret the clicks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rjoc04679@msn.com Wed Mar 30 05:58:35 2011 From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:58:35 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 Message-ID: http://darmaviaggi.it/azx1.html From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 08:30:54 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <4D929BD7.6070908@attorneyross.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com> <91830E69DECB464BAE66EB2634A51A0B@dave> <4D929BD7.6070908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <891157.71717.qm@web161320.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> My FWIW regarding call letters is NAC (as in WNAC). In this case it's short for Natick Animal Clinic and I always do a double take when I'm in there and I see it. ________________________________ From: A Joseph Ross joe@attorneyross.com And, FWIW, the initials WGY often appear at the end of the docket number on cases in the Massachusetts Federal District Court.? I always do a double-take when I see it, but it's to indicate that the case is assigned to Judge William G. Young. From dave@skywaves.net Wed Mar 30 09:14:24 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:14:24 -0400 Subject: 70 years ago today... In-Reply-To: <4D929BD7.6070908@attorneyross.com> References: <4D91E894.9060004@fybush.com><91830E69DECB464BAE66EB2634A51A0B@dave> <4D929BD7.6070908@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: > And, FWIW, the initials WGY often appear at the end of the docket number > on cases in the Massachusetts Federal District Court. I always do a > double-take when I see it, but it's to indicate that the case is assigned > to Judge William G. Young. That's funny. Every so often, I see it on a license plate, which gives me the same reaction. -d From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 30 15:47:25 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:47:25 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D9388CD.8080203@attorneyross.com> There's a virus and phishing at this location. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 30 21:15:34 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:15:34 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> Yep: as Joe Ross observed, the spam-link below attempts to infect users' computers with a virus, and to steal your personal data. Here's a computer security tip from a guy with 23 years of I.T. experience (me): If your e-mail password consists of a dictionary word or a string of letters only, it's easy prey for the spammers' computers to figure out by trial and error. You should change it to a password containing upper- and lower-case letters, and numerals, and punctuation marks. It takes spammers much longer to crack something complex like that. For example, "Channel-40-Minus-2" is a strong password. --RC On 03/30/2011 05:58 AM, Rod OConnor wrote: > http://darmaviaggi .it/azx1.html > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 30 22:35:30 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:35:30 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If your e-mail password consists of a dictionary word or a string of > letters only, it's easy prey for the spammers' computers to figure out > by trial and error. However, it is extremely unusual for them to do so. More commonly, they will learn your password from your directly, by deception. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 30 22:48:26 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:48:26 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4D93EB7A.5080004@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 03/30/2011 10:35 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> If your e-mail password consists of a dictionary word or a string of >> letters only, it's easy prey for the spammers' computers to figure out >> by trial and error. > However, it is extremely unusual for them to do so. More commonly, > they will learn your password from your directly, by deception. > > -GAWollman > But surely, Garrett, none of the esteemed list members here would be taken in by "social engineering" attempts or "phishing", or let their computers be infiltrated with keylogging spyware, etc. So I have to assume that the cracker used brute force. :-) --RC From rjoc04679@msn.com Wed Mar 30 22:48:21 2011 From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:48:21 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 Message-ID: http://impress.bg/ael2.html From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 30 22:55:19 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:55:19 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> On 3/30/2011 10:35 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > However, it is extremely unusual for them to do so. More commonly, > they will learn your password from your directly, by deception. How so? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 07:30:23 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:30:23 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:15 PM 3/30/2011, Richard Chonak wrote: >Here's a computer security tip from a guy with 23 years of I.T. >experience (me): > >If your e-mail password consists of a dictionary word or a string of >letters only, it's easy prey for the spammers' computers to figure >out by trial and error. > >You should change it to a password containing upper- and lower-case >letters, and numerals, and punctuation marks. It takes spammers >much longer to crack something complex like that. Take it from a guy with 43 years of I.T. experience (me), Richard is absolutely correct. I use a utility to generate passwords, but many tools to do it are available online. I've always been a fan of Steve Gibson (creator of Spinrite) and his site has an excellent tool: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm >For example, "Channel-40-Minus-2" is a strong password. It would, however, be stronger if it contained no words that were vulnerable to a dictionary attack. "NSzYAYh-40%PYICi&2" is much stronger, as it contains no dictionary words and incorporates three non-alpha-numeric characters (-, % and &) instead of one (-) repeated three times. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 31 08:15:16 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:15:16 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 References: <4D9388CD.8080203@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <57555C946F814DA88A18A64F3C9FF870@PhilsLaptop> I caught it, apparently. Since yesterday, my Internet connection still works but it's slower than molasses in January. Sometimes it won't bring up what I'm seeking at all. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: rjoc04679 > There's a virus and phishing at this location. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 31 09:24:36 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:24:36 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 03/31/2011 07:30 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 09:15 PM 3/30/2011, Richard Chonak wrote: > > >> For example, "Channel-40-Minus-2" is a strong password. > > It would, however, be stronger if it contained no words that were > vulnerable to a dictionary attack. "NSzYAYh-40%PYICi&2" is much > stronger, as it contains no dictionary words and incorporates three > non-alpha-numeric characters (-, % and &) instead of one (-) repeated > three times. > > Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html Absolutely! My example would be better with even modest changes, such as "cha$nneL-40+minuX-2", but yours is tougher than that. To go further, one can add accented characters or foreign alphabet letters. (Though with the foreign alphabets the password may not be usable on some phones.) Thanks. --RC From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 09:30:07 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:30:07 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331092715.02771240@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:24 AM 3/31/2011, Richard Chonak wrote: >To go further, one can add accented characters or foreign alphabet >letters. (Though with the foreign alphabets the password may not be >usable on some phones.) Even some ordinary punctuation characters may not work with some email systems. The point which Richard and I learned long ago is that you should determine how complex a password any system will allow, and then use one of that complexity. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 31 09:39:37 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:39:37 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It would, however, be stronger if it contained no words that were > vulnerable to a dictionary attack. "NSzYAYh-40%PYICi&2" is much > stronger, as it contains no dictionary words and incorporates three > non-alpha-numeric characters (-, % and &) instead of one (-) repeated > three times. Not really. Both of you guys need to hear Bill Cheswick's rant about "eye of newt" password-construction rules. He recommends taking three random (and having them be random is *important*) words from a 4,096-entry dictionary and combining them in some memorable way; that gives you 3*12=36 bits of password entropy, which is sufficiently strong for most purposes while still within the capacity of our poor monkey brains to memorize. You and I may have no problem memorizing "StEb+B4489AZb" but normal people do! -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 31 09:47:41 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:47:41 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19860.34301.319192.693769@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > My example would be better with even modest changes, such as > "cha$nneL-40+minuX-2", This actually adds almost nothing over the original password. > To go further, one can add accented characters or foreign alphabet > letters. (Though with the foreign alphabets the password may not be > usable on some phones.) To go further, one obvious thing that far too few people ever consider is whitespace. Control characters are also usable in many circumstances but very difficult to enter. One important thing to keep in mind, so long as we're talking about password construction: no competently designed system provides more information about a failed login than necessary. There's no way for an attacker to try a password and get back "almost right" as an answer. (It turned out that this was possible on some early systems from the 1970s, including TENEX if memory serves me correctly, so this lesson has been known for a very long time now.) For this reason, I'm somewhat dubious of the "entropy" analysis of passwords -- but I'll still follow their advice anyway. -GAWollman From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Mar 31 09:49:40 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 9:49:40 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20110331134940.CNGWN.94632.root@hrndva-web28-z02> ---- Garrett Wollman wrote: >>(snip) "StEb+B4489AZb" ...(snip) >> The answer to that is 11, right? (sorry, Garrett - couldn't resist) --Chuck Igo when in doubt, use childhood phone number (long since gone to someone else) From sid@wrko.com Thu Mar 31 07:15:56 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:15:56 +0000 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "How so?" It's known as phishing...sending an e-mail containing some sort of deception which gets the recipient to give up their password or some other personal information. Telling the recipient they've won a prize, have some money waiting somewhere (the erstwhile Nigerian scam) or will have some account shut down for some ominous looking reason are three of the most common. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 11:39:00 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:39:00 +0000 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <20110331134940.CNGWN.94632.root@hrndva-web28-z02> References: <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20110331134940.CNGWN.94632.root@hrndva-web28-z02> Message-ID: <1849991909-1301585947-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-529513462-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have used an ex-gf's license plate for too long - she doesn't even remember it :) -----Original Message----- From: Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 9:49:40 To: Dale H. Cook; Garrett Wollman Cc: Subject: Re: rjoc04679 ---- Garrett Wollman wrote: >>(snip) "StEb+B4489AZb" ...(snip) >> The answer to that is 11, right? (sorry, Garrett - couldn't resist) --Chuck Igo when in doubt, use childhood phone number (long since gone to someone else) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 31 11:40:18 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:40:18 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com><19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> Yes, but usually a phishing exploit requires you to open an attached file or follow an included link before the message will do its dirty work. The message in question did include a link and the .it in the link suggested that the host site was in a foreign country (Italy, in this case). Another tip-off can be that the message uses the Cyrillic (Russian) character set. Most people would not follow such a link even if it were to a site with a US domain name, let alone a foreign one. But if it were late at night after a long day and the recipient had lapsed into a near-coma or gone into sleepiness-induced autopilot mode, I suppose s/he might stumble into following the link or opening the attachment. BTW, I read recently that attachments with a .PDF fulename extension have apparently become the most dangerous for injecting malware into recipients' PCs, based on the relative frequency of occurrence of files with .PDF extensions among all malicious file attachments. Be particularly leery of PDF attachments to messages from people whom you do not know and trust. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: RE: rjoc04679 > "How so?" > > It's known as phishing...sending an e-mail containing some sort of > deception which gets the recipient to give up their password or some > other personal information. Telling the recipient they've won a > prize, have some money waiting somewhere (the erstwhile Nigerian > scam) or will have some account shut down for some ominous looking > reason are three of the most common. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 13:04:31 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:04:31 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:39 AM 3/31/2011, Garrett Wollman wrote: >You and I may have no problem memorizing >"StEb+B4489AZb" but normal people do! I don't have to remember them. They are stored in an encrypted file unlocked by my fingerprint scanner. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From peterwmurray@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:15:54 2011 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:15:54 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: A few fundamentals of email/web/system security: - Be wary of any email containing an unsolicited attachment from anyone. Be wary of any unsolicited email. Use a mail provider that has good anti-spam systems (AppRiver's SecureTide is excellent and not tremendously expensive for organizations, GMail is very good for individuals) - Defend your system appropriately (Firefox with Adblock Plus, Chrome with AdBlock extension. Stop using Internet Explorer.) NoScript is better, but can be cumbersome. Install a modern, current antivirus. Non-Windows systems are not invulnerable, but most attacks are against the lower-hanging fruit - Win32 systems (XP, Vista, 7, Server 2003). - Always look at the links you're considering clicking on - verify that they *really* go to the site that is purported to be the destination. - Keep your system up-to-date, whether OS patches, Flash/Adobe Reader/etc updates. Consider a simpler PDF Reader (like SumatraPDF). - Passwords are only good when you can remember them. I like fingerprint scanners as well, though there are problems there. OBRadio - I'm looking forward to trying out the portable/car-mountable JVC HD KT-HDP1 in my Subaru (which has no aux-in without major hacking). DC has some interestng HD channels... -Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Yes, but usually a phishing exploit requires you to open an attached > file or follow an included link before the message will do its dirty > work. The message in question did include a link and the .it in the > link suggested that the host site was in a foreign country (Italy, in > this case). Another tip-off can be that the message uses the Cyrillic > (Russian) character set. Most people would not follow such a link even > if it were to a site with a US domain name, let alone a foreign one. > But if it were late at night after a long day and the recipient had > lapsed into a near-coma or gone into sleepiness-induced autopilot > mode, I suppose s/he might stumble into following the link or opening > the attachment. > > BTW, I read recently that attachments with a .PDF fulename extension > have apparently become the most dangerous for injecting malware into > recipients' PCs, based on the relative frequency of occurrence of > files with .PDF extensions among all malicious file attachments. Be > particularly leery of PDF attachments to messages from people whom you > do not know and trust. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:15 AM > Subject: RE: rjoc04679 > > >> "How so?" >> >> It's known as phishing...sending an e-mail containing some sort of >> deception which gets the recipient to give up their password or some >> other personal information. ?Telling the recipient they've won a >> prize, have some money waiting somewhere (the erstwhile Nigerian >> scam) or will have some account shut down for some ominous looking >> reason are three of the most common. >> >> Sid Schweiger >> IT Manager, Entercom New England >> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor >> Brighton MA ?02135-2040 >> >> >> >> > > From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Mar 31 13:23:16 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:23:16 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > I don't have to remember them. They are stored in an encrypted file > unlocked by my fingerprint scanner. > > I'd be a bit skeptical about something like that too. A couple years ago I bought a USB hard drive that had a fingerprint scanner for security. Only trouble was it would fail to recognize my print more often than not. Glad I never put anything of value on it. Ended up returning it. From sid@wrko.com Thu Mar 31 09:36:57 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:36:57 +0000 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1307AE@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "It would, however, be stronger if it contained no words that were vulnerable to a dictionary attack. "NSzYAYh-40%PYICi&2" is much stronger, as it contains no dictionary words and incorporates three non-alpha-numeric characters (-, % and &) instead of one (-) repeated three times." A nice idea, but in practice maybe not so much. The problem is that passwords have to be used by people, not machines, and a password that bears no resemblance whatsoever to anything in human experience is going to be either forgotten regularly or written down and posted on the user's monitor, which is the same as having no password at all. From an admin's POV, setting too strict a password policy leads to workarounds which inevitably end up compromising the very security passwords were intended to protect. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:48:56 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:48:56 -0400 Subject: Severin suspended again Message-ID: WTKK host Jay Severin has been suspended again http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2011/03/wtkk_talk_show_host_jay_severi.html Just yesterday I was looking at the facebook group for WTKK and people were saying it was great that Jay was back to hosting on his own (he'd had Mike Bowers on as a co-host for awhile, an experiment?) but when I put WTKK on briefly yesterday, Bowers was on. Greater isn't saying what Jay had said or done that warranted such a suspension but the Globe bit mentions Severin is paid a lot but has had lackluster ratings. His contract is up in 2013. His crosstown rival, Howie Carr, has a contract running till late 2012. Despite one Greater official discounting interest in Carr, one wonders if perhaps maybe they'd consider grabbing him after all when the Entercom contract ends. In the meantime, more "Jay Severin Show Without Jay" at 96.9...anyone have any idea why he's suspended THIS time? From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 13:55:20 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:55:20 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331135308.02792600@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:23 PM 3/31/2011, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I'd be a bit skeptical about something like that too. A couple years ago I >bought a USB hard drive that had a fingerprint scanner for security. Only >trouble was it would fail to recognize my print more often than not. This scanner has been in daily use, sometimes dozens of uses per day, for three years without failure. You get what you pay for - I am willing to spend top dollar for the best quality hardware. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 14:03:39 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:03:39 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1307AE@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcor ad.com> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1307AE@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331135542.02735e98@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:36 AM 3/31/2011, Sid Schweiger wrote: >The problem is that passwords have to be used by people, not >machines, and a password that bears no resemblance whatsoever to >anything in human experience is going to be either forgotten >regularly or written down and posted on the user's monitor I have another system entirely for passwords that must be memorized, which yields passwords almost as strong as randomly generated ones, i.e., containing a mixture of upper- and lower-case letters, numerals and punctuation, and containing no dictionary words. For security reasons, however, I cannot discuss in detail the method I use to generate easy-to-remember passwords. I will say only that it involves a small number of fixed rules governing changes in characters in an easy-to-remember phrase. Anyone who knows the rules and the phrase can quickly and easily generate a password from the phrase. Granted, that system is not something that can be remembered (or utilized) by the brain-dead, but I do not administer systems for the brain-dead. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 31 14:07:40 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:07:40 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net><4D948094.7080009@server4.gabrielmass.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1307AE@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <78D2012B151A4F059ABCDF1EAC1C9335@SatU205S5044> There is the famous old story (almost certainly apocryphal) about the IT manager who had figured out a set of rules for bullet-proof passwords and then distibuted the rules in an e-mail to all employees. He also set up the system to reject any password that didn't comply with his rules. Most of the employees couldn't make sense of the complex rules and therefore couldn't follow them and the IT guy got tired of having to painstakingly explain the rules to each employee. But he didn't have to--for long. One of the few employees who had deciphered the memo sent another e-mail to all employees containing a password that complied with all of the rules. And of course, everybody selected that password. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: RE: rjoc04679 > "It would, however, be stronger if it contained no words that were > vulnerable to a dictionary attack. "NSzYAYh-40%PYICi&2" is much > stronger, as it contains no dictionary words and incorporates three > non-alpha-numeric characters (-, % and &) instead of one (-) > repeated three times." > > A nice idea, but in practice maybe not so much. The problem is that > passwords have to be used by people, not machines, and a password > that bears no resemblance whatsoever to anything in human experience > is going to be either forgotten regularly or written down and posted > on the user's monitor, which is the same as having no password at > all. From an admin's POV, setting too strict a password policy > leads to workarounds which inevitably end up compromising the very > security passwords were intended to protect. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > From lspin@comcast.net Thu Mar 31 13:39:56 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:39:56 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> Another thing about unsolicited email that 'appears' to come from a known source (i.e. Paypal): I've gotten a lot of emails from what appears to be Paypal asking me to click on a provided link to correct something critically wrong with my private information. I always suspect phishing from these. Many times, you can see that the source was generated from someplace else just by hovering your cursor over the link to reveal the link address. If it's not recognizable as the advertised source (i.e. NOT http://...paypal.com/... ), then it's probably bogus. Paypal provides an address to which you can forward suspicious messages ( spoof@paypal.com ). I wish others would do this as well. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Peter Murray Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:16 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: rjoc04679 A few fundamentals of email/web/system security: From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 10:20:47 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:20:47 +0000 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back Message-ID: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The Herald's Jessica Heslam writes about the latest ad revenue estimates from BIA/Kelsea. They indicate WBZ is tops at $28M in gross revenue followed by WEEI at $24M and WXKS-FM also at $24M. WBZ-FM is said to have taken in $13M and both WRKO and WTKK are around $6M In the case of WEEI how much of that is Red Sox related? http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2011_0331wbz-am_tops_all_hub_stations_in__from_ads/srvc=home&position=5 From dave@skywaves.net Thu Mar 31 14:32:07 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:32:07 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net><19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <88960F3A5E074A238DB3F3DEE92114C0@dave> > I'd be a bit skeptical about something like that too. A couple years ago > I > bought a USB hard drive that had a fingerprint scanner for security. Only > trouble was it would fail to recognize my print more often than not. Glad > I > never put anything of value on it. Ended up returning it. > I had a similar experience with the fingerprint scanner built in to my laptop. Love the idea, but it's got to be a lot more reliable before I'll use it for real. From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Mar 31 13:45:50 2011 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Severin suspended, again Message-ID: <15046.35315.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Story doesn't have any specifics, other than "complaints." http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2011/03/wtkk_talk_show_host_jay_severi.html Just looking for a way to get out from under his contract, perhaps? From rbello@belloassoc.com Thu Mar 31 15:44:06 2011 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:44:06 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> <001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> Message-ID: As does Bank of America abuse@bankofamerica.com > Paypal provides an address to which you can forward suspicious messages ( > spoof@paypal.com ). I wish others would do this as well. > > -Lou > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 31 16:09:30 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:09:30 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com><19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044><001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> Message-ID: <534D66FD006C4E4688EE01C9EB263114@SatU205S5044> I've sent copies of suspected fraudulent e-mails to the corresponding report-suspected-fraudulent-mail addresses at probably a dozen companies over the last three or four years. You are lucky if you get as much as an acknowledgment telling you not to reply to the acknowledgment because nobody will read your reply. I have never dealt with a company that appeared to pay any more than lip service to combatting Web scams. Many companies do not even bother acknowledging the reports. If some scammer costs a company a billion dollars, the company is likely to wake up for maybe 90 days but then go back to sleep. A scam would have to throw a company into Chapter 7 to cause most companies to pay any more than fleeting attention to the problem. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Lou" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: rjoc04679 > As does Bank of America > abuse@bankofamerica.com > > > > > >> Paypal provides an address to which you can forward suspicious >> messages ( >> spoof@paypal.com ). I wish others would do this as well. >> >> -Lou >> >> >> >> From paul@derrynh.net Thu Mar 31 15:27:48 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:27:48 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> Pet Peeve Time! M is 1000 (not 1,000,000), so many newspapers and e-mailers get this wrong! MM is 1,000,000 (Hail Caesar!) Rant mode off..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:20 AM To: bri Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back The Herald's Jessica Heslam writes about the latest ad revenue estimates from BIA/Kelsea. They indicate WBZ is tops at $28M in gross revenue followed by WEEI at $24M and WXKS-FM also at $24M. WBZ-FM is said to have taken in $13M and both WRKO and WTKK are around $6M In the case of WEEI how much of that is Red Sox related? http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2011_0331wbz-am_tops_all_hub_stations_in__from_ads/srvc=home&position=5 From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 16:10:57 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:10:57 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19859.59506.72599.290498@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4D93ED17.9080604@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA130520@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <0E6A44F87D2E45F587C8F5EB8AF92B71@SatU205S5044> <001401cbefca$a79bd0f0$f6d372d0$@net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331160757.027599a0@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:39 PM 3/31/2011, Lou wrote: >I've gotten a lot of emails from what appears to be Paypal I have as well, but since none of them come to the address that I registered with PayPal they are obviously phishing - they all come to addresses that can be (and obviously have been) harvested. They all get forwarded to PayPal's spoofing address. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 31 15:15:52 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:15:52 -0400 Subject: Severin suspended, again In-Reply-To: <15046.35315.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <15046.35315.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D94D2E8.90703@attorneyross.com> On 3/31/2011 1:45 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Story doesn't have any specifics, other than "complaints." > > http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2011/03/wtkk_talk_show_host_jay_severi.html > > Just looking for a way to get out from under his contract, perhaps? Which brings to mind Howie Carr and his contract. Has he tried any stunts to try to get fired? I haven't heard of any. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 16:20:28 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:20:28 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> References: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4D94E20C.40607@gmail.com> On 3/31/2011 3:27 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Pet Peeve Time! > > M is 1000 (not 1,000,000), so many newspapers and e-mailers get this > wrong! > > MM is 1,000,000 (Hail Caesar!) > > Rant mode off..... Methinks you may be in for plenty of rant-food on this one. I dropped this rant from my list awhile ago when I had to finally accept that the M was the abbreviation for the word, "Million." It was a cleansing experience. And then I ate a Caesar salad. Bill O'Neill c. MMXI From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 31 16:41:05 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:05 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> References: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> Message-ID: <19860.59105.662939.134939@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Pet Peeve Time! > M is 1000 (not 1,000,000), so many newspapers and e-mailers get this wrong! > MM is 1,000,000 (Hail Caesar!) > Rant mode off..... Which ISO standard can I find that one in? In the standard system of units, M is the symbol for "mega", which is the prefix that means "million". It's a bit nonstandard to use the symbols as multipliers for arbitrary numbers, rather than for units -- you wouldn't use the spelled-out prefixes that way -- but that's the way it goes. G is the symbol for "giga", which is the prefix that means "billion" -- news of which has apparently not yet reached the New York Post. If you mean thousand, you need "k", the symbol for the prefix "kilo". -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Mar 31 16:51:25 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:51:25 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <4D94E20C.40607@gmail.com> References: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> <4D94E20C.40607@gmail.com> Message-ID: M is million in the SI system, which has come to dominate in today's society. MM in Roman numbers would mean 2000, MM means a million in financial contexts, something the article is arguably about, but I think that would just confuse people This use of MM comes from the latin mille milles (a thousand thousands). Much fodder on the internet about this, here's two: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictM.html And to save everyone the trouble of where this might go, I suggest just reading this forum thread instead... http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=460147 -Bob From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Mar 31 15:59:56 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:59:56 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: At 1:04 PM -0400 3/31/11, Dale H. Cook wrote: >At 09:39 AM 3/31/2011, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >>You and I may have no problem memorizing >>"StEb+B4489AZb" but normal people do! > >I don't have to remember them. They are stored in an encrypted file >unlocked by my fingerprint scanner. And if you have to use a different computer, or you computer fails and is replaced by another one? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Mar 31 16:57:49 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:57:49 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <19860.59105.662939.134939@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1252341682-1301581248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-648777281-@bda262.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <9353B7D40D164CF9AD2ECBB95346D85D@PaulPC> <19860.59105.662939.134939@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > > G is the symbol for "giga", which is the prefix that > means "billion" -- news of which has apparently not yet reached the > New York Post. It drives me crazy when I see $500G, for what I guess means 500 "Grand". Using 'B' for billion is understandable, and since 'B' isn't used as any other multiplier, at least it's not confusing. Lucky for us that "Terra" = 10 ^ 12 starts with the same letter as "Trillion". Same goes for "Mega" and "Million", financial community aside. On a side note: Wouldn't a "MegaMillions" lottery mean a game in which you could win multiple trillions of dollars? That would be nice. -Bob -Bob From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Mar 31 16:56:34 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:56:34 -0400 Subject: FW: Hub ad revenue bouncing back Message-ID: <004801cbefe6$1e95c740$5bc155c0$@com> I thought that MM was little round colored candies with chocolate in the middle...oh wait there is an ampersand between the letters.. And mmmmmmm means "tasty" -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 3:28 PM To: kvahey@gmail.com; bri Subject: Re: Hub ad revenue bouncing back Pet Peeve Time! M is 1000 (not 1,000,000), so many newspapers and e-mailers get this wrong! MM is 1,000,000 (Hail Caesar!) Rant mode off..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:20 AM To: bri Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back The Herald's Jessica Heslam writes about the latest ad revenue estimates from BIA/Kelsea. They indicate WBZ is tops at $28M in gross revenue followed by WEEI at $24M and WXKS-FM also at $24M. WBZ-FM is said to have taken in $13M and both WRKO and WTKK are around $6M In the case of WEEI how much of that is Red Sox related? http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2011_0331wbz-am_tops_all_hub_sta tions_in__from_ads/srvc=home&position=5 From lglavin@mail.com Thu Mar 31 18:00:08 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:00:08 -0400 Subject: Hub ad revenue bouncing back In-Reply-To: <004801cbefe6$1e95c740$5bc155c0$@com> References: <004801cbefe6$1e95c740$5bc155c0$@com> Message-ID: <8CDBE06228324B4-21AC-3B24@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary's Ice Cream >To: Boston radio e-mail list >Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:56 pm >Subject: FW: Hub ad revenue bouncing back >I thought that MM was little round colored candies with chocolate in the >middle...oh wait there is an ampersand between the letters.. To tie two different threads together: isn't Jay Severin's reported salary of nearly one million dineros about one-sixth of WTKK's revenue? No wonder they've been economizing in the past few months...canning McPhee, trying to get Jimmy Myers to agree to a pay-to-play deal. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Mar 31 18:12:55 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:12:55 -0400 Subject: rjoc04679 In-Reply-To: References: <4D93D5B6.2050701@server4.gabrielmass.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331071721.0287f8f0@plymouthcolony.net> <19860.33817.189882.938135@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110331130313.027efdb0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110331181207.02713610@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:59 PM 3/31/2011, Larry Weil wrote: >And if you have to use a different computer, or you computer fails >and is replaced by another one? I own multiple computers. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html