From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 02:04:20 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 02:04:20 -0400 Subject: Ned French Message-ID: <981C0C581CC0469AAE82FCEC46244329@s20035> Does anyone know whatever happenned to Ned French? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 03:12:01 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 03:12:01 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: <782601.22012.qm@web161208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CDEDC1860E12B6-164-A00@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <782601.22012.qm@web161208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've picked up Companion Radio for a couple block radius around Blueberry Hill Nursing Home in Beverly (97.9), and when my father was at Brightview in Danvers (he's at a diff. nursing home now), they were broadcasting Companion Radio on 90.7, with a signal reaching a couple blocks (from the new Mass General/North Shore hospital to near the intersection of Water St. & Endicott St...) On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > Companion Radio was using at least 1 watt transmitters and were in trouble with > the FCC over it. From what I was told, several nursing home systems around > Boston were shut down 5-6 years ago because of? this. They are bound to the same > Part 15 regs. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Nelson > To: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com; bri@bostonradio.org > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 10:49:56 AM > Subject: Re: Pirates > > > If his station is audible for more than a few blocks he's a pirate. According to > Wikipedia > "(FM) unlicensed broadcasts are limited to a field strength of 250 ?V/m at a > distance of 3 meters from the antenna. This is equivalent to 0.01 microwatts" > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_%28FCC_rules%29 > > Something like a drive in theatre broadcasting audio on FM; someone using a mini > FM transmitter to rebroadcast an mp3 player or XM/Sirius to their car's FM > radio; or a nursing home > using "Companion Radio" that reaches a few blocks (such as Blueberry Hill in > Beverly, > or Brightview in Danvers) are permissible unlicensed. If you can pick up these > stations within > a range of several miles, definitely pirates. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: bri > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 10:11 am > Subject: Pirates > > > Are 98.1 FM in Sandown, NH and 88.5 FM in Ipswich, MA Priates or Part 15 > stations? The kid who claims he had nothing to do with 87.9 other then being > a DJ is running the stations and he MAKES it seem like hey have some oomph > and poer to them. He is apaprentl friends with whoever 87.9 The Beat in New > Hampshire is. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 1 09:51:09 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:51:09 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? Message-ID: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Someone on radio-info heard a Sunday program host on WILD say it would be his last program as the station had been "sold as of June 1". This comes as news to many of us, especially after some web searches. Another post said they saw some kind of news from WILD: "Syndication One is no longer handling Warren Ballantine and Rev Al Sharpton" and we were told to check out the "all new News Talk 1090 tomorrow". As of right now, a dead air signal with thunderstorm-related static is on 1090 at least here in Beverly. Any word what's going on? An LMA? Just a format/program shuffle? WILD had been running Tom Joyner's morning show followed by Ballantine, Sharpton, then classic soul after 4 pm From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 1 11:07:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:07:33 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> An hour or so ago, the programming, in English, was coming from mainland China. The program hosts repeatedly referred to Beijing as THIS city. My guess is that the Chinese government is sub-leasing the signal from the outfit that is leasing the signal from Radio One, pending FCC approval of the transfer of control. If true, what that would mean is that R1 found someone who is able and willing to pay the way-above-market price that R1 has been asking--or close to it. The Chinese government has LOTS of $$$! BTW, one of the programs I heard a part of was Massachusetts news, in English, probably being read in Beijing. The reader obviously did not speak English as a first language but, aside from the common mispronunciation of Worcester as War-chest-er, she was doing a decent job--even if it was a bit painful to listen to the heavily Chinese-accented English. A previous program of world news was voiced by a man with a Canadian accent and a woman with a British accent. They were clearly doing the program from China. The time-checks were for Chinese time. Wherever they were (probably Beijing), it was 7:00PM when it was 9:00AM here. Also of interest, the Canadian/British hosts of that program were not afraid to describe the conditions under which migrant workers from rural China are housed in Beijing as completely unsatisfactory. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: WILD changes? Someone on radio-info heard a Sunday program host on WILD say it would be his last program as the station had been "sold as of June 1". This comes as news to many of us, especially after some web searches. Another post said they saw some kind of news from WILD: "Syndication One is no longer handling Warren Ballantine and Rev Al Sharpton" and we were told to check out the "all new News Talk 1090 tomorrow". As of right now, a dead air signal with thunderstorm-related static is on 1090 at least here in Beverly. Any word what's going on? An LMA? Just a format/program shuffle? WILD had been running Tom Joyner's morning show followed by Ballantine, Sharpton, then classic soul after 4 pm From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 11:15:52 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:15:52 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I have run into some kind of Chinese-Radio-International-In-English program run on stations like WROL, awhile back (and one website I saw listed CRI as running on WROL from "1800 to 1900". WROL's website lists "CRI news" as running from 5:30 to 6 pm, and 2-3 am.) http://www.wrolradio.com/wrolprogramschedule.html > BTW, one of the programs I heard a part of was Massachusetts news, in > English, probably being read in Beijing. The reader obviously did not > speak English as a first language but, aside from the common > mispronunciation of Worcester as War-chest-er, she was doing a decent > job--even if it was a bit painful to listen to the heavily > Chinese-accented English Yes, I think what I'd heard months ago was totally in English (no Chinese language mixed in). Perhaps designed for Chinese immigrants to our country. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 11:21:47 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:21:47 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Oops, I just moved my AM loop antenna and the signal for WILD comes in just fine here in Beverly. A talk show about finance... "IMF", "Foreign aid", "World markets, the Euro" etc. "Greek officials are meeting with the IMF...the IMF had threatened to withhold its payment... 350 billion..euros..." From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 11:36:09 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:36:09 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <4D50AEAD50CE47BDBA04EBAA4CAE6165@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> <4D50AEAD50CE47BDBA04EBAA4CAE6165@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Indeed...of course one could learn bit by bit if you go to a Chinese restaurant that has the type of fortune cookies that say "Learn Chinese" on the back of the fortune/saying. It will give a word or phrase, how to write and pronounce it, etc. (using a translation website): "Radio = "di?n?t?i" (de-en...TYE) Welcome to Chinese di?n?t?i on AM 1090. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, I heard a seven or eight-minute segment on speaking Chinese (for > English speakers). From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Jun 1 10:42:00 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110601103637.02864400@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:51 AM 6/1/2011, Bob Nelson wrote: >Someone on radio-info heard a Sunday program host on WILD say it would be his last program as the station had been "sold as of June 1". > >Any word what's going on? An LMA? An LMA is possible. There are no applications later than the 2006 license renewal showing on the FCC site, and the licensee shown there is still Radio One of Boston Licenses, LLC. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 11:19:29 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:19:29 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> > An hour or so ago, the programming, in English, was coming from > mainland China. The program hosts repeatedly referred to Beijing > as THIS city. My guess is that the Chinese government is sub-leasing > the signal from the outfit that is leasing the signal from Radio One, > pending FCC approval of the transfer of control. If true, what that > would mean is that R1 found someone who is able and willing to pay > the way-above-market price that R1 has been asking--or close to it. > The Chinese government has LOTS of $$$! Can a foreign citizen, never mind a foreign government, be a licenseholder in the US? I thought this was impossible. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 1 11:26:26 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:26:26 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> <905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> Message-ID: <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Good question--didn't Rupert Murdoch have to become a U.S. citizen at one point? >>Can a foreign citizen, never mind a foreign government, be a licenseholder in the US? I thought this was impossible. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 1 11:25:40 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:25:40 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8CDEE874CC8F227-220C-E46@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com reports CRI is leasing the station from Radio One >>Starting today, WILD 1090 is taking world news from a Chinese perspective, more specifically China Radio International (CRI), featuring news, music, language lessons and human interest stories from China live from Beijing. CRI which is leasing airtime on WILD's daytime only-signal will be heard every day from sunup to sunset. = From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 1 11:31:05 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:31:05 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com><861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4D50AEAD50CE47BDBA04EBAA4CAE6165@SatU205S5044> Well, I heard a seven or eight-minute segment on speaking Chinese (for English speakers). It tried to teach English speakers how to say common phrases like "Can somebody open the door for me? and "You're welcome," in Chinese. My conclusion was that, if Chinese speakers find learning English half as difficult as I was finding learning these few phrases in Chinese, there was little hope of Americans and Chinese people ever conversing with each other. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Bob Nelson" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: Re: WILD changes? >I have run into some kind of Chinese-Radio-International-In-English > program run on stations like WROL, awhile back (and one website I > saw > listed CRI as running on WROL from "1800 to 1900". WROL's website > lists "CRI news" as running from 5:30 to 6 pm, and 2-3 am.) > > http://www.wrolradio.com/wrolprogramschedule.html > >> BTW, one of the programs I heard a part of was Massachusetts news, >> in >> English, probably being read in Beijing. The reader obviously did >> not >> speak English as a first language but, aside from the common >> mispronunciation of Worcester as War-chest-er, she was doing a >> decent >> job--even if it was a bit painful to listen to the heavily >> Chinese-accented English > > Yes, I think what I'd heard months ago was totally in English (no > Chinese language mixed in). Perhaps designed for Chinese immigrants > to > our country. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 1 11:42:40 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:42:40 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> <905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> Message-ID: <14C8B91C1D2845C7867E86211FA03D0C@SatU205S5044> But this arrangement, in which an American entity would buy the signal and LMA it to a foreign entity, probably is legal. I think KIRN, which broadcasts in Farsi in the Los Angeles area, and some other stations in east the and midwest, several of which seem to be owned by Birach Broadcasting, are examples of exactly such arrangements. If not, there must be quite a few China-financed but nominally American entities that can and will gladly step up and buy WILD with guarantees of long-term leases from the Chinese governmemt or from China-financed "American" companies. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: Re: WILD changes? > > >> An hour or so ago, the programming, in English, was coming from >> mainland China. The program hosts repeatedly referred to Beijing >> as THIS city. My guess is that the Chinese government is >> sub-leasing >> the signal from the outfit that is leasing the signal from Radio >> One, >> pending FCC approval of the transfer of control. If true, what that >> would mean is that R1 found someone who is able and willing to pay >> the way-above-market price that R1 has been asking--or close to it. >> The Chinese government has LOTS of $$$! > > Can a foreign citizen, never mind a foreign government, be a > licenseholder in the US? > > I thought this was impossible. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 1 12:10:01 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:10:01 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110601103637.02864400@plymouthcolony.net> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110601103637.02864400@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <8CDEE8D7EBA05C8-220C-E86@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Mark S. said on Boston Radio Watch that it's a lease, and he tweeted to me that from what he heard, it's a long term one. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 1 11:47:46 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:47:46 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4DE65F22.1030506@donnahalper.com> On 6/1/2011 11:07 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > An hour or so ago, the programming, in English, was coming from > mainland China. The program hosts repeatedly referred to Beijing > as THIS city. My guess is that the Chinese government is sub-leasing > the signal from the outfit that is leasing the signal from Radio One, As Dan pointed out, Radio One has been trying to unload WILD for ages. But I question the programming from China, especially if it's in Mandarin. Most Boston-area Chinese are from Hong Kong and Canton, and they speak Cantonese. The old WJDA, before it died, used to offer Cantonese programming on the weekends, given the rise in the Asian population of Quincy. The current government in China is committed to eradicating the use of languages like Cantonese and only allows Mandarin as the official language, but in many east coast cities, the dominant language is Cantonese, whether the Chinese government likes it or not. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Wed Jun 1 11:30:53 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:30:53 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110601112813.0282fa78@plymouthcolony.net> At 11:15 AM 6/1/2011, Bob Nelson wrote: >I have run into some kind of Chinese-Radio-International-In-English China Radio International - their English service site is: http://english.cri.cn/ Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 1 12:02:59 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:02:59 -0400 Subject: Ned French In-Reply-To: <981C0C581CC0469AAE82FCEC46244329@s20035> References: <981C0C581CC0469AAE82FCEC46244329@s20035> Message-ID: <4DE662B3.5060806@donnahalper.com> On 6/1/2011 2:04 AM, Don wrote: > Does anyone know whatever happenned to Ned French? > > "Ned French On the Bench." Yeah, another of those great d.j.'s from the good old days. He passed away in 1999. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 12:51:22 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:51:22 -0400 Subject: Ned French In-Reply-To: <4DE662B3.5060806@donnahalper.com> References: <981C0C581CC0469AAE82FCEC46244329@s20035> <4DE662B3.5060806@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4DE66E0A.5080603@gmail.com> On 6/1/2011 12:02 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 6/1/2011 2:04 AM, Don wrote: >> Does anyone know whatever happenned to Ned French? >> >> > > "Ned French On the Bench." Yeah, another of those great d.j.'s from > the good old days. He passed away in 1999. I remember Ned when he did mornings on WCAP in the 1970s (or late 60s?). Later on (early 80s), French would do mornings for awhile at former WVNH (1110 Salem, NH) when the signal debuted. As to Ned's style, I recall a steady, low-key delivery moving through the elements of the morning clock. Bill O'Neill From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jun 1 12:03:06 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:03:06 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110601103637.02864400@plymouthcolony.net> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110601103637.02864400@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: They have a Facebook page which according to another discussion board popped up last week. It sports a "News Talk 1090" logo. http://www.facebook.com/1090WILDAM The logo is also spread rather obnoxiously all over their YouTube channel: http://www.YouTube.com/1090WILDAM When I went to their YouTube, a video of Farrakhan from July 2010 started playing. -Bob From dave@skywaves.net Wed Jun 1 12:10:01 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:10:01 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com><861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044><905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It is allowed to a degree. I believe the limit is 20% ownership by non-US parties, maybe 25%. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 13:38:00 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:38:00 -0500 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> <905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Look up Legend Communications of Wyoming, which is lead by Brokers Larry & Susan Patrick .. its a group of about a dozen radio stations.. 20 to 25 percent of the company is owned by someone from The Isle Of Man in the United Kingdom. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Dave Doherty wrote: > It is allowed to a degree. > I believe the limit is 20% ownership by non-US parties, maybe 25%. > > > From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Jun 1 12:38:50 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:38:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <373c2968-a403-60f8-9c17-833864d3cb2d@me.com> On Jun 01, 2011, at 11:07 AM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > They were clearly doing the program from China. The time-checks were > for Chinese time. Wherever they were (probably Beijing), it was 7:00PM > when it was 9:00AM here. That probably means it's not live because 9:00AM here is 9:00PM in China. The entire country is in one time zone and they don't switch to Daylight Saving Time.? From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jun 1 15:32:40 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pirates Message-ID: <2e929.5658a87.3b17edd7@aol.com> I would assume that Part 15 would be Part 15 for everyone. You give one person a pass then everyone should get one. What would prevent any of these other services from interfering or producing spurs in the aircraft band? It is not as if they did any sort of formal research on a frequency? If the FCC doesn't care too much about high-powered pirates, why would they care about a flea powered pirate? Why would a one watt an MP3 transmitter, a drive-in, or Companion Radio be exempt? A drive in would be using a leaky coax transmission system I would imagine, no idea how they get Companion Radio around, but the 1 Watt MP3 is definitely illegal. Yet, you can still get a one watt MP3 transmitter on eBay. Well you can get a KW transmitter on eBay too. It is contrary to their own TOS Agreement but they are all still listed there. Mike In a message dated 6/1/2011 11:09:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Something like a drive in theatre broadcasting audio on FM; someone using a mini FM transmitter to rebroadcast an mp3 player or XM/Sirius to their car's FM radio; or a nursing home using "Companion Radio" that reaches a few blocks (such as Blueberry Hill in Beverly, or Brightview in Danvers) are permissible unlicensed. If you can pick up these stations within a range of several miles, definitely pirates.<<< From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jun 1 14:54:59 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:54:59 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <373c2968-a403-60f8-9c17-833864d3cb2d@me.com> References: <373c2968-a403-60f8-9c17-833864d3cb2d@me.com> Message-ID: <9B9340885CBC412084C78EFA69E0F89F@PaulPC> How many miles across is China? There must be some 10:00AM local sunrises in winter and 11:00PM local time sunsets in summer in Northwestern China.... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Mark Laurence Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:38 PM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: WILD changes? On Jun 01, 2011, at 11:07 AM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > They were clearly doing the program from China. The time-checks were > for Chinese time. Wherever they were (probably Beijing), it was 7:00PM > when it was 9:00AM here. That probably means it's not live because 9:00AM here is 9:00PM in China. The entire country is in one time zone and they don't switch to Daylight Saving Time.?= From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jun 1 15:58:50 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:58:50 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <9B9340885CBC412084C78EFA69E0F89F@PaulPC> References: <373c2968-a403-60f8-9c17-833864d3cb2d@me.com> <9B9340885CBC412084C78EFA69E0F89F@PaulPC> Message-ID: > > How many miles across is China? There must be some 10:00AM local sunrises > in winter and 11:00PM local time sunsets in summer in Northwestern China.... > > -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH > > About 3000 miles, but the western half of the country, except for some small pockets, is lightly populated. Of course even with time zones, Anchorage, AK (pop. ~300,000) has sunrises at 4:30 am and sunsets at 11:45 pm in June, and 10:45 am / 3:45 pm in December. London england sees sunsets as early as 3:51 pm in December. If China positioned the time for the middle of the populated half of the country, the times would be quite reasonable for most residents. -Bob From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Jun 1 15:13:52 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:13:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <9B9340885CBC412084C78EFA69E0F89F@PaulPC> Message-ID: Beijing and a majority of the populated areas are in the eastern third of the country, so they can all get along in the same time zone. In the western area called Xinjiang, they informally observe their own time zone two hours later than the official time. China Radio International might not acknowledge that though. They do have some weird sunrise/sunset times. The sun doesn't set until 8:50 PM tonight in Tibet, and sunrise in eastern Harbin is at 3:48 AM. ? On Jun 01, 2011, at 02:55 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > How many miles across is China? There must be some 10:00AM local sunrises in > winter and 11:00PM local time sunsets in summer in Northwestern China... From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 1 15:37:47 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:37:47 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: References: <8CDEDC1860E12B6-164-A00@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <782601.22012.qm@web161208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE6950B.7000902@attorneyross.com> On 6/1/2011 3:12 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I've picked up Companion Radio for a couple block radius around Blueberry Hill > Nursing Home in Beverly (97.9) Wasn't Fats Domino in that nursing home? :-) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 16:43:31 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:43:31 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: <4DE6950B.7000902@attorneyross.com> References: <8CDEDC1860E12B6-164-A00@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <782601.22012.qm@web161208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DE6950B.7000902@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4DE6A473.3050808@gmail.com> On 6/1/2011 3:37 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 6/1/2011 3:12 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> I've picked up Companion Radio for a couple block radius around >> Blueberry Hill >> Nursing Home in Beverly (97.9) > > Wasn't Fats Domino in that nursing home? :-) > File under: Thrill: Lost & Found b - From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jun 1 17:18:36 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WILD changes? Message-ID: <2d2de.3cda95d3.3b1806ac@aol.com> If you can read and write Chinese it makes no difference what dialect you speak. It is strange hearing the same Chinese characters sounding so different when they are read in Cantonese. Peking and Bejing are the same place depending on what you speak. Mike In a message dated 6/1/2011 4:01:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>The current government in China is committed to eradicating the use of languages like Cantonese and only allows Mandarin as the official language, but in many east coast cities, the dominant language is Cantonese, whether the Chinese government likes it or not.<<< From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 1 17:52:59 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:52:59 -0400 Subject: channel 4 pranked by Stern caller In-Reply-To: References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com><861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044><905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DE6B4BB.9020905@donnahalper.com> Well, once again, the dangers of putting live callers on the air. A guy called into channel 4 news and said he was from Douglas, MA, where there had been reports of tornadoes or severe hail. At first, he started giving what sounded like a reasonable eye-witness report, but then he said everything sounded like "Baba-booey, baba-booey." They cut him off immediately, but again, it shows that putting callers on the air live without first vetting them (in a crisis, that's hard to do) can lead to problems. Btw, I had no idea Howard Stern's prank callers were still out there. Stupid people-- I mean, it's a time of an emergency, people are eager to get the latest weather, and this joker takes advantage of the situation. Sad. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jun 1 21:44:02 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: channel 4 pranked by Stern caller In-Reply-To: <4DE6B4BB.9020905@donnahalper.com> References: <8CDEE7A18C9878F-2450-DFC@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com><861E50B7F9AC493A8010F3B69EE25661@SatU205S5044><905E98C4AE5A468CBF18DF649136CB8F@s20035> <8CDEE876813613E-220C-E47@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <4DE6B4BB.9020905@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4DE6EAE2.10007@gmail.com> On 6/1/2011 5:52 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Btw, I had no idea Howard Stern's prank callers were still out there. > Stupid people-- I mean, it's a time of an emergency, people are eager > to get the latest weather, and this joker takes advantage of the > situation. Sad. Howard Stern? The human synonym for irrelevant has-been. Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jun 1 22:45:30 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:45:30 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? In-Reply-To: <2d2de.3cda95d3.3b1806ac@aol.com> References: <2d2de.3cda95d3.3b1806ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <19942.63818.932546.438762@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < If you can read and write Chinese it makes no difference what dialect you > speak. That is simply not true, on two accounts. 1) Because Han (Chinese) characters do not include a phonetic element, modern Chinese writing includes a great deal of what could be called "puns", where certain characters are used not for their (common) meaning but for their (language-specific) sound, particularly when representing names or borrowed words. A Min or Wu speaker will not use the same characters, since the corresponding words are not pronounced the same. (Of course, any PRC-educated writer will have been learned Putonghua, but the converse is not true.) Japanese, which also uses Han characters (kanji) in its writing system, has not one but two phonetic auxiliary scripts, which are used much more frequently than the official phonetic romanization of the PRC, hanyu pinyin, or the common phonetic script used in the ROC, bopomofo. 2) The PRC government likes to denigrate the other languages of China by describing them as mere "dialects" of one common[1] Chinese language. However, by modern linguistic standards, Wu is no more a "dialect" of Putonghua than Portuguese is a dialect of Romanian. Western linguists working in China today tend to use the neutral term "topolect", which avoids the government's sensitivities over the word "language" without angering speakers of minority languages. (There are, of course, non-Sinitic minority languages in China, the most notable of which is probably that of the Uighur people in Xinjiang.) There is a similar situation in the Middle East with respect to Arabic, where the prestige position is held by Modern Standard Arabic but most people speak a vernacular arabic topolect. This issue came to some prominence in the Tunisian revolution, when then-president Ben Ali gave a televised address for the first time in Tunisian rather than MSA. (The prestige position of MSA is due in part to the fact that it is a modernized version of the classical Arabic of the Quran -- which is considered to be perfect and unchanging -- so local topolects are portrayed as "corruptions" of proper (Quranic) Arabic. Nobody looks down on their local language the same way in the non-Arab Muslim world, where the local languages are invariably not Semitic.[2]) Historically, there have been similar situations in European languages, leading to the (sometimes violent) suppression of minority languages like Catalan and Breton. The PRC at least does not forbid parents from teaching the children their own language -- but when they go to school, they will learn Putonghua. -GAWollman [1] But illusory. The basic requirement today is that speakers of the same "language" be mutually intelligible at a fairly high level. [2] Most Muslims in the world speak either Indo-European (Persian, Hindi/Urdu, Bengali) or Austronesian (Malay) languages as their mother tonuges. Afro-Asiatic languages, including the Semitic languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and a few others), come third, IIRC. (I'm not sure whether Turkic ranks ahead of or behind Afro-Asiatic, but I think it's behind. Turkic languages are spoken in a large swath of central Asia where country names end in "-stan"; Uighur is a Turkic language.) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 01:43:01 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 01:43:01 -0400 Subject: WILD changes? References: <2d2de.3cda95d3.3b1806ac@aol.com> <19942.63818.932546.438762@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Wow! Impressive! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" > > That is simply not true, on two accounts. > > 1) Because Han (Chinese) characters do not include a phonetic element, > modern Chinese writing includes a great deal of what could be called > "puns", where certain characters are used not for their (common) > meaning but for their (language-specific) sound, particularly when > representing names or borrowed words. A Min or Wu speaker will not > use the same characters, since the corresponding words are not > pronounced the same. (Of course, any PRC-educated writer will have > been learned Putonghua, but the converse is not true.) Japanese, > which also uses Han characters (kanji) in its writing system, has not > one but two phonetic auxiliary scripts, which are used much more > frequently than the official phonetic romanization of the PRC, hanyu > pinyin, or the common phonetic script used in the ROC, bopomofo. > > 2) The PRC government likes to denigrate the other languages of China > by describing them as mere "dialects" of one common[1] Chinese language. > However, by modern linguistic standards, Wu is no more a "dialect" of > Putonghua than Portuguese is a dialect of Romanian. Western linguists > working in China today tend to use the neutral term "topolect", which > avoids the government's sensitivities over the word "language" without > angering speakers of minority languages. (There are, of course, > non-Sinitic minority languages in China, the most notable of which is > probably that of the Uighur people in Xinjiang.) > > There is a similar situation in the Middle East with respect to > Arabic, where the prestige position is held by Modern Standard Arabic > but most people speak a vernacular arabic topolect. This issue came > to some prominence in the Tunisian revolution, when then-president Ben > Ali gave a televised address for the first time in Tunisian rather > than MSA. (The prestige position of MSA is due in part to the fact > that it is a modernized version of the classical Arabic of the Quran > -- which is considered to be perfect and unchanging -- so local > topolects are portrayed as "corruptions" of proper (Quranic) Arabic. > Nobody looks down on their local language the same way in the non-Arab > Muslim world, where the local languages are invariably not > Semitic.[2]) > > Historically, there have been similar situations in European > languages, leading to the (sometimes violent) suppression of minority > languages like Catalan and Breton. The PRC at least does not forbid > parents from teaching the children their own language -- but when they > go to school, they will learn Putonghua. > > -GAWollman > > [1] But illusory. The basic requirement today is that speakers of the > same "language" be mutually intelligible at a fairly high level. > > [2] Most Muslims in the world speak either Indo-European (Persian, > Hindi/Urdu, Bengali) or Austronesian (Malay) languages as their mother > tonuges. Afro-Asiatic languages, including the Semitic languages > (Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and a few others), come third, IIRC. (I'm > not sure whether Turkic ranks ahead of or behind Afro-Asiatic, but I > think it's behind. Turkic languages are spoken in a large swath of > central Asia where country names end in "-stan"; Uighur is a Turkic > language.) > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jun 2 03:03:04 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:03:04 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: <4DE6A473.3050808@gmail.com> References: <8CDEDC1860E12B6-164-A00@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <782601.22012.qm@web161208.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DE6950B.7000902@attorneyross.com> <4DE6A473.3050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CDEF0A40D9B26C-220C-1130@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Ha, good one! :) Actually Fats rode out Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans...but according to Joel Najman's "My Place" on Vt Public radio, he lost a lot of mementos such as gold records..... -----Original Message----- From: Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Pirates On 6/1/2011 3:37 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 6/1/2011 3:12 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> I've picked up Companion Radio for a couple block radius around >> Blueberry Hill >> Nursing Home in Beverly (97.9) > > Wasn't Fats Domino in that nursing home? :-) > File under: Thrill: Lost & Found b - From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 09:45:16 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 06:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NHPT making cuts Message-ID: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> New Hampshire Public Television is making some deep cuts: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/newsstatenewengland/921422-227/n.h.-public-tv-lays-off-20-cuts.html You had to wonder when the recession would really affect public TV and radio stations. The WGBHs of the world with larger endowments and access to fundrasing will survive but the smaller outfits may still be facing some hard times for years to come. From mamros@mit.edu Thu Jun 2 10:17:35 2011 From: mamros@mit.edu (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:17:35 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: <2e929.5658a87.3b17edd7@aol.com> References: <2e929.5658a87.3b17edd7@aol.com> Message-ID: <201106021417.p52EHZB8002236@outgoing.mit.edu> >I would assume that Part 15 would be Part 15 for everyone. You give one >person a pass then everyone should get one. What would prevent any of these >other services from interfering or producing spurs in the aircraft band? It >is not as if they did any sort of formal research on a frequency? I don't think the Part 15 rules specify usage so much as transmitter power. Someone earlier in the thread posted the TPO limit for Part 15 - I forget exactly what it was, but I'm pretty sure it's much less than 1 Watt. At any event, it's much less than what would be needed to cause any noticeable interference on the aircraft band. Some pirates use Part 15 transmitters (legal) coupled with a power amp to boost the signal strength (which makes it not legal). That might be why that one pirate was saying he's "Part 15" when the range of his signal leaves no doubt that he is not. >Well you can get a KW transmitter on eBay too. It is contrary to their own >TOS Agreement but they are all still listed there. Why couldn't a licensed broadcaster sell a transmitter on eBay to another licensed broadcaster? Happens all the time, I'm sure. For that matter, is possession of a high-power transmitter without a license for same actually illegal if it isn't being used? -Shawn From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jun 2 11:22:41 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:22:41 -0400 Subject: Pirates In-Reply-To: <201106021417.p52EHZB8002236@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <2e929.5658a87.3b17edd7@aol.com> <201106021417.p52EHZB8002236@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: > Why couldn't a licensed broadcaster sell a transmitter on eBay to another > licensed broadcaster? Happens all the time, I'm sure. For that matter, > is possession of a high-power transmitter without a license for same > actually illegal if it isn't being used? You are correct, as far as the law is concerned, there's nothing wrong with someone selling an FM transmitter to someone else. It's also not illegal to possess such a device. It is only illegal to use it without a license. However, eBay has its own rules about what can and can't be sold in the service. Specifically about FM transmitters they say: *Low-power radio transmitting devices and related equipment: *The FCC restricts how powerful these items can be. FM transmitters are limited to an effective range of approximately 35-100 feet (11-30 meters). AM transmitters are limited to an effective range of approximately 200-250 feet (61-76 meters). Sellers can't list devices that claim or suggest they have a larger range. eBay, a private company, can restrict what's on their site and doesn't really need to have a reason. They have a whole list of things you can't sell here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/items-ov.html -Bob From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jun 2 11:55:54 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:55:54 -0400 Subject: How about a list get together Message-ID: <08e001cc213d$9278be50$b76a3af0$@com> I think its about time for another face-to-face get together and cook out here at Gary's Ice Cream for all the members of the list who'd like to come. It could be a Friday evening, a Saturday day or evening or a Sunday afternoon.whatever you guys would all like. E-mail me directly: gary@garysicecream.com and let me know what works best for you. I'm thinking we keep the hours during daylight (mosquitos come out at dusk). We could do a potluck type of thing...I'll supply the grill, the ice, the cook, etc. Other ideas are welcome. -Gary Francis (Frascarelli) www.garysicecream.com From paul@derrynh.net Thu Jun 2 13:08:45 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:08:45 -0400 Subject: NHPT making cuts In-Reply-To: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6834D0291AB5424FB5ECA507CC1E6341@PaulPC> As a former NH legislator myself, I can say fairly certainly that the Conservative nature of the NH Legislature has more to do with this necessity, not discounting any drop in viewer contributions as well. -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Carney Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 9:45 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: NHPT making cuts New Hampshire Public Television is making some deep cuts: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/newsstatenewengland/921422-227/n.h.-public-tv-lays-off-20-cuts.html You had to wonder when the recession would really affect public TV and radio stations. The WGBHs of the world with larger endowments and access to fundrasing will survive but the smaller outfits may still be facing some hard times for years to come. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 2 14:41:53 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:41:53 -0400 Subject: NHPT making cuts In-Reply-To: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19943.55665.738849.953553@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > New Hampshire Public Television is making some deep cuts: It's not like there was that much to cut there in the first place. I've always given my support to them rather than to WGBH on the theory that they needed it more. -GAWollman From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 13:30:25 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:30:25 -0400 Subject: Springfield radio affected by the storm? Message-ID: Has anyone heard if any of the Springfield stations were affected by the storm? Any towers go down? Anyone off the air? From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jun 2 14:51:38 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:51:38 -0400 Subject: NHPT making cuts In-Reply-To: <6834D0291AB5424FB5ECA507CC1E6341@PaulPC> References: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6834D0291AB5424FB5ECA507CC1E6341@PaulPC> Message-ID: At 1:08 PM -0400 6/2/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >As a former NH legislator myself, I can say fairly certainly that >the Conservative nature of the NH Legislature has more to do with >this necessity, not discounting any drop in viewer contributions as >well. If most of the local programs go away, viewers will be less inclined to watch and contribute to NHPTV since the national programs are also available on other stations. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 2 16:45:38 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:45:38 -0400 Subject: NHPT making cuts In-Reply-To: References: <486113.20871.qm@web161315.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6834D0291AB5424FB5ECA507CC1E6341@PaulPC> Message-ID: <19943.63090.461165.540491@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If most of the local programs go away, viewers will be less inclined > to watch and contribute to NHPTV since the national programs are also > available on other stations. There are a few national programs on NHPTV that aren't available on WGBH/WGBX; MotorWeek is the one that comes to mind most readily. (WSBE and WGBY also carry it.) -GAWollman From Cdsull502@aol.com Thu Jun 2 16:59:50 2011 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Springfield Radio and the Storm Message-ID: <91b49.7c31bc85.3b1953c5@aol.com> I was listening to WHYN on line last night; I am a former Springfield resident. They said that WPKX had been off for a few hours but had returned to the air and that WRNX had been operating at half power but had been restored to full power. I assume those stations had problems related to power outages, not destroyed equipment. I checked WMAS on line; it sounded like it was operating normally. Their tower (both WHLL and WMAS-FM) is located on the river in Springfield's North End. Luckily, for them, the tornado veered to the South. WACM and WSPR towers are in West Springfield, but away from the affected area. WHYN attempted to cover the storm, but with Cheap Channel ownership, they have only a 1 man news department. They were reduced to asking the listeners to phone in to them storm information. They also asked local officials to call the station with updates. A listener called the station to advise them that school in Springfield was canceled for Thursday. I always thought that it was the broadcaster's role to inform the listener, not the other way around. The one man news department did leave the Main Street studio to attend and broadcast over the telephone the 11 PM Mayor's news conference. This morning, the station was utilizing a WHYN salesman who lives in Monson to cover the destruction there. I guess they should be applauded for effort, but with no reporters in the field, this was clearly not their finest hour. I do not know if they were on generator power or regular power; their studio is very close to the affected area in downtown Springfield. I did catch over the Internet WWLP-22 streaming continuous coverage. It seemed to me that they did a good job with plenty of reports from the field, along with cogent reporting from their studio with anchor Barry Krieger and weatherman Brian Lapis. They out performed WGGB with superior resources and reporters. 22's initial report with live coverage of the tornado coming across the Connecticut River conveys a sense of urgency about the situation without creating panic. It's attached. _Click here: Video: June 1, 2011 Tornado | WWLP.com_ (http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/video-june-1-2011-tornado) Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 2 16:56:28 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:56:28 +0000 Subject: W221CH Frequency Switch? Message-ID: <20110602205628.7100@gmx.com> The FCC Applications list for Thursday, June 2nd includes a request by WNNW -AM 800 translator W221CH to change frequency from 92.1 to 102.9 and its City of License from Newton, NH to Lawrence, MA. The interference from WPHX (and to a lesser extent WFEX) both of which transmit on 92.1...the former from Sanford, Me; the latter from Peterborough, NH...must have been too much for coverage of the Lawrence area. I've noted that the billboards promoting WNNW's FM station seem clustered in South Lawrence where the signal is better. Of course, there's a low-power FM in Londonderry, NH on 102.9 but it's usually swamped by the 102.9 in Lewiston, ME. From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jun 2 19:25:43 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:25:43 -0400 Subject: WTAG drama in the storm Message-ID: <7E7B589C-427C-42B5-9D8B-A7E35FBBFCFA@mac.com> I was listening to WTAG on Wednesday afternoon during the storms. Jordan Levy was hosting as usual, and the weather was of course the topic of the day. They were updating with info as it came in when a little after 5 PM, Jordan mentioned that a co-worker had just come in from outside their studios, which are on Asnebumskit Hill in Paxton, just northwest of Worcester. Jordan asked the co-worker what it looked like outside, and he replied, "it's getting bad...I'm going to the basement right now!" Levy then said "we're all going to the basement, we're turning the microphone off, we'll be back when we can." Then...dead air. I don't think I've ever heard anything quite like that on the radio before. They were back on within about 15 minutes with more storm reports. Mark From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jun 2 21:42:58 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 21:42:58 -0400 Subject: Boston e-mail radio list cookout Message-ID: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> How about Saturday June 18th from 2-5 or a little later. Does that work for everybody? Please let me know and we'll start working on a list of who is bringing what. As you let me know I will post it on my website at: http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 2 22:31:45 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:31:45 -0400 Subject: Boston e-mail radio list cookout In-Reply-To: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> References: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> Message-ID: <4DE84791.6050600@donnahalper.com> On 6/2/2011 9:42 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > How about Saturday June 18th from 2-5 or a little later. Does that work for > everybody? > Works for me. I assume you'll be providing the ice cream too? Or should I offer to bring some juice or iced tea or coffee (not everyone likes soda). This is a great idea and it'll be wonderful to see everyone. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 00:00:06 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:00:06 -0400 Subject: Boston e-mail radio list cookout In-Reply-To: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> References: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> Message-ID: <4DE85C46.60601@attorneyross.com> On 6/2/2011 9:42 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > How about Saturday June 18th from 2-5 or a little later. Does that work for > everybody? Please let me know and we'll start working on a list of who is > bringing what. As you let me know I will post it on my website at: > http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm I'd prefer an evening get-together if possible. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 02:45:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 06:45:59 +0000 Subject: In a hotel room in Vancouver Message-ID: <467147250-1307083561-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1750731242-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> I am pondering why my hotel offers WSBK on cable - I know 38 was big in Canada when they carried hockey but that was ten years ago. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 03:13:21 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:13:21 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <8CDEFD4DB08229C-2450-14A4@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/06/classical-radio-to-return-to-r.html Classical returns to RI...WGBH All Classical that is via WJMF 88.7 at Bryant University. Power boost to 1,200 watts in the works From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 03:20:28 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:20:28 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <8CDEFD4DB08229C-2450-14A4@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEFD4DB08229C-2450-14A4@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDEFD5D94BCCCD-2450-14A6@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> ...but I guess it's an HD-2 signal...? http://www.wjmf887.com/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 06:15:11 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 03:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <8CDEFD4DB08229C-2450-14A4@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <756291.63047.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 6/3/11, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/06/classical-radio-to-return-to-r.html > > Classical returns to RI...WGBH All Classical that is via > WJMF 88.7 at Bryant University. Power boost > to 1,200 watts in the works I thought WCRI (95.9 Block Island) was still classical? From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Jun 3 08:43:55 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WILD changes? Message-ID: <9b11d.4d059909.3b1a310b@aol.com> Well, speaking from experience, I have seen my Chinese wife and in-laws do exactly that in front of me. Point to Chinese characters, hear each version spoken, a couple of nods, and they are on their way. Another language that will blow minds overseas and to those that English is a second language and that is Pig Latin. If you need to get a message to someone it might as well be Greek. Mike In a message dated 6/2/2011 12:01:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>That is simply not true, on two accounts. <<< From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 11:24:29 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:24:29 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <8CDEFD5D94BCCCD-2450-14A6@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDEFD4DB08229C-2450-14A4@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> <8CDEFD5D94BCCCD-2450-14A6@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I guess the WCRB // would be on the main signal, and what is now WJMF winds up on the HD-2. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > ...but I guess it's an HD-2 signal...? > > http://www.wjmf887.com/ > > > > > From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 12:38:38 2011 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:38:38 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: WCRB will be rebroadcast on WJMF HD-2. There is no way Bryant's students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious communications curriculum at Bryant. And especially not now, on the cusp of WJMF finally having a real Providence signal. Remember a few years back, when Rhode Island Public Radio quietly talked to Bryant about getting morning/afternoon drive on WJMF and the howls of protest from the student body? Anyways, this press release says it'll be on WJMF-HD2. http://blogs.bryant.edu/newsroom/?p=860 It also, interestingly, says no capital investment is being made by WGBH...so it's *not* like WGBH is putting the new CP on the air for Bryant in exchange for the HD2. Well, regardless, this is certainly another reason to go out and get an HD Radio receiver if you're a classical fan. That new WJMF signal is pretty honkin' big so it ought to work well for classical fans in northern Rhode Island. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WJMF&service=FM&status=C&hours=U WCRI is, AFAIK, still a classical station but it's owned by the Judson Group, isn't it? I think the programming, while classical, is completely independent from WCRB/WGBH. WNCK on Nantucket, however, is rebroadcasting WCRB last I checked. But I don't think WNCK has those translators on the upper Cape that it used to have; didn't those go to some religious outlet? -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com www.friedbagels.com From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 13:16:44 2011 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:16:44 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> References: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> Message-ID: Whoops - you're right...I read that backwards on the press release: "Beginning in August, the University's station, WJMF 88.7FM, will retransmit the signal from WGBH's 99.5 all-classical service, returning round-the-clock classical broadcasts to the Providence area. Bryant's student-run station will continue uninterrupted on a variety of new technology platforms, including via WJMF HD-2, smartphone applications, and the use of one of WGBH's mobile DTV channels. Bryant's WJMF will be the first student-run station in the region to be available on the groundbreaking new mobile service." Wow, that's really shocking, actually. - Aaron On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >> WCRB will be rebroadcast on WJMF HD-2. ? There is no way Bryant's >> students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to >> be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious >> communications curriculum at Bryant. ?And especially not now, on the >> cusp of WJMF finally having a real Providence signal. ? Remember a few >> years back, when Rhode Island Public Radio quietly talked to Bryant >> about getting morning/afternoon drive on WJMF and the howls of protest >> from the student body? > > All of the articles say that WCRB will be on the main analog/HD1 signal of > 88.7, and that WJMF will be moved to HD2. It's definitely an unfortunately > development for the students at Bryant. Maybe they could find a translator > to move to the campus of Bryant to rebroadcast the HD2? > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com www.friedbagels.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jun 3 13:06:37 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:06:37 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> > WCRB will be rebroadcast on WJMF HD-2. There is no way Bryant's > students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to > be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious > communications curriculum at Bryant. And especially not now, on the > cusp of WJMF finally having a real Providence signal. Remember a few > years back, when Rhode Island Public Radio quietly talked to Bryant > about getting morning/afternoon drive on WJMF and the howls of protest > from the student body? All of the articles say that WCRB will be on the main analog/HD1 signal of 88.7, and that WJMF will be moved to HD2. It's definitely an unfortunately development for the students at Bryant. Maybe they could find a translator to move to the campus of Bryant to rebroadcast the HD2? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 13:29:30 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:29:30 +0000 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <20110603172930.164240@gmx.com> Ah, I had just sent a reply to you wondering if maybe you "read it backwards" and indeed that was the case. This would be like having a station like WGBH, WUMB, WBUR, etc. making a deal with a small college station like WMWM to rebroadcast on their freq., with the college station moving to HD2... I think something like this happened in Calif. (Entercom a part of it) where a rock station moved to a more powerful, or better placed, spot on the dial that had been classical...the classical station moving to what had been a college station's freq., and the college station either getting a very weak signal or HD only... San Fran Bay area From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jun 3 13:25:45 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:25:45 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: References: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> Message-ID: <004901cc2213$46f42470$d4dc6d50$@com> I'm convinced that most of today's college students don't even own an FM radio and only think of AM as that noisy station that their Dad's listen to on the way to work. I see a day in the not too distant future when most college radio stations will start shutting off their FM transmitters and simply stream and/or podcast. ? ? Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? ? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston- > radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Read > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:17 PM > To: Jeff Lehmann > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. > > Whoops - you're right...I read that backwards on the press release: > > "Beginning in August, the University's station, WJMF 88.7FM, will > retransmit the signal from WGBH's 99.5 all-classical service, > returning round-the-clock classical broadcasts to the Providence area. > Bryant's student-run station will continue uninterrupted on a variety > of new technology platforms, including via WJMF HD-2, smartphone > applications, and the use of one of WGBH's mobile DTV channels. > Bryant's WJMF will be the first student-run station in the region to > be available on the groundbreaking new mobile service." > > Wow, that's really shocking, actually. > - Aaron > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > >> WCRB will be rebroadcast on WJMF HD-2. ? There is no way Bryant's > >> students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to > >> be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious > >> communications curriculum at Bryant. ?And especially not now, on the > >> cusp of WJMF finally having a real Providence signal. ? Remember a few > >> years back, when Rhode Island Public Radio quietly talked to Bryant > >> about getting morning/afternoon drive on WJMF and the howls of protest > >> from the student body? > > > > All of the articles say that WCRB will be on the main analog/HD1 signal > of > > 88.7, and that WJMF will be moved to HD2. It's definitely an > unfortunately > > development for the students at Bryant. Maybe they could find a > translator > > to move to the campus of Bryant to rebroadcast the HD2? > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > Hanson, MA > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Aaron Read > friedbagels@gmail.com > www.friedbagels.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jun 3 14:04:20 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:04:20 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: References: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> Message-ID: If college students are anything like my kids, they are already listening to music on smartphones or ipods anyways. Radio? What's radio? -Bob On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Aaron Read wrote: > Whoops - you're right...I read that backwards on the press release: > > "Beginning in August, the University's station, WJMF 88.7FM, will > retransmit the signal from WGBH's 99.5 all-classical service, > returning round-the-clock classical broadcasts to the Providence area. > Bryant's student-run station will continue uninterrupted on a variety > of new technology platforms, including via WJMF HD-2, smartphone > applications, and the use of one of WGBH's mobile DTV channels. > Bryant's WJMF will be the first student-run station in the region to > be available on the groundbreaking new mobile service." > > Wow, that's really shocking, actually. > - Aaron > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Jeff Lehmann > wrote: > >> WCRB will be rebroadcast on WJMF HD-2. There is no way Bryant's > >> students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to > >> be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious > >> communications curriculum at Bryant. And especially not now, on the > >> cusp of WJMF finally having a real Providence signal. Remember a few > >> years back, when Rhode Island Public Radio quietly talked to Bryant > >> about getting morning/afternoon drive on WJMF and the howls of protest > >> from the student body? > > > > All of the articles say that WCRB will be on the main analog/HD1 signal > of > > 88.7, and that WJMF will be moved to HD2. It's definitely an > unfortunately > > development for the students at Bryant. Maybe they could find a > translator > > to move to the campus of Bryant to rebroadcast the HD2? > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > Hanson, MA > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Aaron Read > friedbagels@gmail.com > www.friedbagels.com > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 13:24:39 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:24:39 +0000 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <20110603172439.164260@gmx.com> You seem certain that the HD-1/analog signal will be the student run station while classical WCRB will be put on the HD 2, but the link you included (second one) make sit seem like classical gets the main signal while student radio is on the HD2: >>Bryant's student-run station will continue uninterrupted on a variety of new technology platforms, including via WJMF HD-2 That sounds like: student radio on HD2, webstreams, smartphones, etc. and thus WCRB on the main signal. You said: >> There is no way Bryant's students (nor their alums) would allow the current student format to be displaced from the main 88.7 signal; there's a pretty serious communications curriculum at Bryant. Still not sure what station will wind up where. The link also quotes a WGBH official as saying "We're delighted to be working with Bryant University and its students as they move from over-the-air broadcast to new and emerging digital audio services for their listeners." You may be right--maybe WCRB winds up on the HD2, but these tidbits don't make it sound like that's the case... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:38:43 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 6/3/11, Aaron Read wrote: > Whoops - you're right...I read that > backwards on the press release: > > "Beginning in August, the University's station, WJMF > 88.7FM, will > retransmit the signal from WGBH's 99.5 all-classical > service, > returning round-the-clock classical broadcasts to the > Providence area. > Bryant's student-run station will continue uninterrupted on > a variety > of new technology platforms, including via WJMF HD-2, > smartphone > applications, and the use of one of WGBH's mobile DTV > channels. > Bryant's WJMF will be the first student-run station in the > region to > be available on the groundbreaking new mobile service." > > Wow, that's really shocking, actually. If I were paying a sizable sum to attend Bryant (or I was paying a sizable sum for my child to attend Bryant), I'd be pretty perturbed. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jun 3 14:51:33 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:51:33 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This blog entry, available on WJMF's website, may offer a little more insight into what they are thinking: * WJMF Partnership with WGBH Posted On: Thursday, June 2, 2011 - 16:48 These are very exciting times for WJMF radio, Bryant University, and WGBH. As you may have heard, WJMF will no longer be 88.7, but rather be an HD-2 channel off of 88.7 acquired by WGBH. What does this mean for our listeners? Although we are losing our fm dial position, we will be available on HD radio, DTV, and we will increase our presence steaming online in places such as iTunes radio. We will be broadcasting from WGBH's HD-2 channel. To tune us in, you will need to tune to 88.7, and tune up. Almost like Platform 9 ?, WJMF will basically be between 88.7 & 88.9. However, this requires an HD receiver. As the receiver's chip is becoming smaller while this technology advances, it is becoming more readily available. The opportunity presented itself thanks to the fine folks at WGBH, and WJMF is getting ahead of the curve moving to HD. Also, you can hear us from further away. We are increasing our wattage from 225 to 1200 watts. Watt does this mean to you the listener? You will now be able to listen to us from Westerly, Rhode Island to the outskirts of Framingham, Massachusetts. . We also plan to make a permanent presence in Providence for the first time. WAlso launching a DTV channel, you to hear us from your phone. Stay tuned for a WJMF iPhone App. WGBH will be re-transmiting their signal from WGBH?s 99.5 All Classical service, returning round-the-clock classical broadcasts to the Providence area via 88.7fm. The increase in coverage will be present here as well. WGBH will be operating at 1200 watts opposed to the current 225 watts, expanding the frequency's coverage. President Ron Machtley acclaims that he is, ?thrilled that this collaboration returns classical music broadcasts to Rhode Island while providing our students hands-on opportunities to master leading-edge technologies for delivery of WJMF music, sports programming, and talk shows not just in New England but throughout the country.? The changeover will take place in August. Again, keep us tuned in and thank you for your continuing support! * From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jun 3 15:28:54 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:28:54 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> Message-ID: Mark, I believe the PPM can tell what they are using to listen to the station (FM, online streams, etc). Are your statistics specifically for listening through traditional broadcast technology, or are they the sum total of listeners to a particular source? WJMF is not going away, it's just going to a different delivery technology (actually, multiple technologies). The president of the college seems to believe this is the future of broadcasting and that by moving away from analog FM and focusing on new distribution methods, they are better preparing their students. -Bob From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 15:39:47 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:39:47 -0400 Subject: Donna written up in UMass alumni profiles In-Reply-To: References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE93883.7020500@attorneyross.com> http://www.umass.edu/sbs/alumni/profiles/halper.htm -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jun 3 15:04:41 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:04:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> On Jun 03, 2011, at 02:04 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > If college students are anything like my kids, they are already > listening to music on smartphones or ipods anyways. Radio? > What's radio? I know many people share your opinion, including many radio people who think younger listeners are deserting radio for new media. But the evidence just doesn't support it. PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April. They listen an average of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. 95.1% of people age 12-21 cumed radio in April. They listen an average of 7 hours 45 minutes a week. These are solid listening numbers, not quite as high in TSL as 25-54, but it's hardly a generation that's turning their backs on radio. I hate to see radio people overstate the loss of young listeners. I think radio is holding onto its young demos as well as or better than any other mass media. Mark? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 15:07:17 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:07:17 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <756291.63047.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <756291.63047.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE930E5.3070205@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 6:15 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Fri, 6/3/11, Bob Nelson wrote: >> http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/06/classical-radio-to-return-to-r.html >> >> Classical returns to RI...WGBH All Classical that is via >> WJMF 88.7 at Bryant University. Power boost >> to 1,200 watts in the works > I thought WCRI (95.9 Block Island) was still classical? Come to think of it, whatever became of WCRB's onetime sister-station, WFCC? Do they reach Rhode Island? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 16:12:28 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:12:28 +0000 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <20110603201228.164270@gmx.com> >>when most college radio stations will start shutting off their FM transmitters and simply stream and/or podcast. You could well be right; I would hope in advance of such a scenario there could be an effort to set up the station as "community radio" (they'd need funding for studios, etc.) and try to continue as before on FM. Or just, yes, just keep going as a stream etc. As for college students they may have an mp3 player with an FM radio (I actually have 3 mp3 players-- Sony Walkman, RCA-Opal, and Sansa, and all have FM radios as part of them) and perhaps _some_ may want an mp3 player with an FM radio so they can at least hear Red Sox (104.9), Pats (98.5) or B's games (98.5) if so inclined...but that's just _some_... From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 16:13:01 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:13:01 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> Message-ID: <4DE9404D.2050704@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 3:04 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > I hate to see radio people overstate the loss of young listeners. I > think > > radio is holding onto its young demos as well as or better than any other > mass media. It sure isn't trying to reach any other demographic (with rare exceptions, like WJIB/WJTO). -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 3 16:15:00 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:15:00 +0000 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <20110603201500.164230@gmx.com> If the map on radio-locator is to be believed (always take with a ton of salt), probably not. The outermost circle (blue) barely reaches Fall River. >>Come to think of it, whatever became of WCRB's onetime sister-station, WFCC? Do they reach Rhode Island? Here is their site: http://www.wfcc.com/ From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jun 3 16:29:07 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:29:07 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <93590C5137BC4DB4BF6559295F6AC20B@SatU205S5044> References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <93590C5137BC4DB4BF6559295F6AC20B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > Please don't give that awful post any more currency than it has gotten > already! While it is certainly weak (I'm being nice) on the technical stuff, it reveals the thought process as to why they thought this is a good idea. Judging from the number of spelling and grammatical errors, I'd guess this was written by one of the students at the station. Perhaps a course called "Proofreading 101" is needed. -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 3 15:52:12 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:52:12 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93590C5137BC4DB4BF6559295F6AC20B@SatU205S5044> Please don't give that awful post any more currency than it has gotten already! It is largely meaningless gobbledygook that bears no relation to reality. The station manager should be ashamed of himself for having written it. Since he was obviously way over his head on the technical stuff, he should have gotten help from a technical person at WGBH. (And yes I am fully aware that iBiquity and the HD Radio Alliance used the analogy to non-existent "stations between the stations" in an ill-conceived advertising campaign of their own.) The wonder of it is that he managed to omit the most important factor in WJMF's signal improvement--an increase in antenna height from, IIRC, 131' AAT to 535' AAT. That more than quadruples the HAAT and is, in effect, equivalent to increasing the ERP by a factor of more than 16. That comes on top of an increase in ERP from 225W to 1200W. So combining both the higher ERP and the greater HAAT, the station is getting the equivalent of an 89-times increase in its power--that's something like 38 or 39 dB! Not a full Class A signal, but it's in the Class A league. Depending on the location, it may deliver 60 dBu to nearly all of Providence. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. This blog entry, available on WJMF's website, may offer a little more insight into what they are thinking: * WJMF Partnership with WGBH Posted On: Thursday, June 2, 2011 - 16:48 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 16:12:40 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <177259.31089.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 6/3/11, Bob DeMattia wrote: > The president > of the college seems to believe this is the future of > broadcasting > and that by moving away from analog FM and focusing on > new distribution methods, they are better preparing their > students. There is some validity to it, but many donors aren't in the target demographic for those delivery vehicles -- and not keeping the content in front of them might end up with a reduction in donations. Just a thought. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 17:15:14 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:15:14 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <5609bdcf-a23a-e462-d945-e7beae7d357c@me.com> References: <5609bdcf-a23a-e462-d945-e7beae7d357c@me.com> Message-ID: <4DE94EE2.60209@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 5:01 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > But wait, that's not really true, either! > > In the 55+ demo, radio reached a cume of 93.5% of the people, and > they listened for an average of 12 hours and 15 minutes per week. That > demo might be radio's biggest fans of all. Then someone ought to tell the ad agencies. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jun 3 16:51:29 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:51:29 -0400 Subject: Donna written up in UMass alumni profiles In-Reply-To: <4DE93883.7020500@attorneyross.com> References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DE93883.7020500@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4DE94951.2020903@donnahalper.com> > http://www.umass.edu/sbs/alumni/profiles/halper.htm > I thought they did a really nice job with this piece, and it's nice to be a member of the UMass alum community, like Lawyer Ross and several other list-members. (I'm also a Northeastern University alum, as many of you know.) From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jun 3 16:36:17 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:36:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jun 03, 2011, at 03:28 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Mark, > I believe the PPM can tell what they are using to listen to the > station (FM, online streams, etc). Are your statistics specifically > for listening through traditional broadcast technology, or are > they the sum total of listeners to a particular source? You're right, the PPM ratings break out streaming separately from FM broadcast listening. Once in a while a streaming station will break through the minimum threshold to get listed. In April as in most months, there wasn't any streaming station that made the full monthly book. It's pretty rare when it happens. Personally I think that's because there's such a wide variety of streaming stations available, not enough people in the market are focused on any single station to move the needle on PPM listening. Here are some examples: In June of 2010, KOOL-FM's HD-2 stream registered 100 people in the Boston 25-54 AQH. That station has never shown up again as far as I can see. WBZ-FM's stream has registered listeners for the past 7 weeks (Bruins fever, perhaps?), usually 200-600 listeners but one week they picked up 1,200. Other stations that have picked up a few weeks of reports for streaming in Boston are: WMJX, WROR, WOGL, WODS, WKLB, WZLX, WYUU, WEEI-AM, WAAF, WGBH-HD2, and WBMX. But these are usually reports of 100 listeners for just a week or two, out of a total AQH ?audience of almost 200,000. Mark From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jun 3 17:01:40 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:01:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <4DE9404D.2050704@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5609bdcf-a23a-e462-d945-e7beae7d357c@me.com> On Jun 03, 2011, at 04:14 PM, "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > On 6/3/2011 3:04 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > > > I hate to see radio people overstate the loss of young listeners. I > > think radio is holding onto its young demos as well as or better > > than any other mass media. > > It sure isn't trying to reach any other demographic (with rare > exceptions, like WJIB/WJTO). But wait, that's not really true, either! In the 55+ demo, radio reached a cume of 93.5% of the people, and they listened for an average of 12 hours and 15 minutes per week. That demo might be radio's biggest fans of all.? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 17:04:44 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:04:44 -0400 Subject: Donna written up in UMass alumni profiles In-Reply-To: <4DE94951.2020903@donnahalper.com> References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DE93883.7020500@attorneyross.com> <4DE94951.2020903@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4DE94C6C.8020000@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 4:51 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I thought they did a really nice job with this piece, and it's nice to > be a member of the UMass alum community, like Lawyer Ross and several > other list-members. (I'm also a Northeastern University alum, as many > of you know.) And WMUA had plenty of women on-air well before they told you at Northeastern that women couldn't be on-air. I remember once being told that they had a woman station manager the year before I arrived. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 3 18:18:00 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> Message-ID: <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April. They listen an average > of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. Sample size? I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three reasons: (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down into narrow demos like this. (2) The sample is highly biased. What non-user of radio is likely to agree to participate? How much compensation is Arbitron even offering these days? (Is it still $5?) For a lot of young people, that's not nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device with them wherever they go. How does Arbitron even identify the sample? (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places over which they may have little or no control. They can hardly be said to be listening in this situation. -GAWollman From rac@server4.gabrielmass.com Fri Jun 3 14:35:51 2011 From: rac@server4.gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:35:51 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: References: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> Message-ID: <4DE92987.9060807@server4.gabrielmass.com> Is anybody thinking about a future without over-the-air broadcasting, with its place taken by internet streaming? The obstacles seem to be cost (portable streaming requires cellphone service) and convenience (a car radio is easier to use than a streaming app on a smartphone). --RC On 06/03/2011 02:04 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > If college students are anything like my kids, they are already > listening to music on smartphones or ipods anyways. Radio? > What's radio? > > -Bob From rac@server4.gabrielmass.com Fri Jun 3 14:37:33 2011 From: rac@server4.gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:37:33 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <491244.17424.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE929ED.8050904@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 06/03/2011 01:38 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > If I were paying a sizable sum to attend Bryant (or I was paying a sizable sum for my child to attend Bryant), I'd be pretty perturbed. > Well, if the student were a media major, yes. Otherwise, not so much. --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 3 18:22:52 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:22:52 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <4DE92987.9060807@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <006501cc2210$9e0e7330$da2b5990$@net> <4DE92987.9060807@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19945.24252.200865.167864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is anybody thinking about a future without over-the-air broadcasting, > with its place taken by internet streaming? > The obstacles seem to be cost (portable streaming requires cellphone > service) and convenience (a car radio is easier to use than a streaming > app on a smartphone). I'm reasonably certain that the car companies are thinking about that. The current generation of in-car electronics like Ford's MyFordTouch system are already equipped to control smartphone-based media players over a bluetooth connection. I think the cost will relatively soon cease to be an issue as many people will have their 4G wireless data connection become their primary Internet connection anyway. Obviously the early adopters will be fairly well off. -GAWollman From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jun 3 17:25:01 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:25:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <4DE94EE2.60209@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Jun 03, 2011, at 05:15 PM, "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > On 6/3/2011 5:01 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > > > In the 55+ demo, radio reached a cume of 93.5% of the people, and > > they listened for an average of 12 hours and 15 minutes per week. That > > demo might be radio's biggest fans of all. > > Then someone ought to tell the ad agencies. Someone should convince ad agencies that older listeners spend a lot of money and are responsive to properly targeted ads.*? If advertisers were convinced of that, you'd get furious competition in programming for that demo. *I'm not saying it is or isn't true, but perception is reality. From sid@wrko.com Fri Jun 3 18:40:21 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:40:21 +0000 Subject: Ads for older demos (WAS: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA161554@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "Someone should convince ad agencies that older listeners spend a lot of money and are responsive to properly targeted ads.*? If advertisers were convinced of that, you'd get furious competition in programming for that demo." If you find that someone, be sure to let us know. People have been seeking that someone for decades. It's not that older demos have no spending money. It's that they are more set in their ways and are less easily swayed by advertising. The agencies claim to have reams of evidence supporting this, so convincing them otherwise is and has always been an uphill battle. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 18:43:22 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:43:22 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Where will we be 10 years from now? Will AM be silenced? HD has been as successful as AM stereo so far.... A lot of AM stations have trouble paying the electric bill Where the heck are we going??? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 18:52:03 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:52:03 +0000 Subject: Ads for older demos (WAS: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA161554@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA161554@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <882496020-1307141526-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-15545327-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Ahhh but Sid many of us are NOW that older demo :) I think the boomers will change that. By the same token traffic departments have to stop for a minute and think of what can drive a listener batty - Kars for Kids may now be the most hated PSA in history. DVR's now rule the TV universe - only people who sponsor sports or news don't have that worry. -----Original Message----- From: Sid Schweiger Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:40:21 To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Ads for older demos (WAS: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) "Someone should convince ad agencies that older listeners spend a lot of money and are responsive to properly targeted ads.*? If advertisers were convinced of that, you'd get furious competition in programming for that demo." If you find that someone, be sure to let us know. People have been seeking that someone for decades. It's not that older demos have no spending money. It's that they are more set in their ways and are less easily swayed by advertising. The agencies claim to have reams of evidence supporting this, so convincing them otherwise is and has always been an uphill battle. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Jun 3 18:59:20 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ads for older demos (WAS: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) Message-ID: <2332a.6f133570.3b1ac148@aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/2011 6:43:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sid@wrko.com writes: It's that they are more set in their ways and are less easily swayed by advertising. The agencies claim to have reams of evidence supporting this, ------------------- And it's very true. We're wiser, and less swayed by advertising and the ever-increasing deceptive advertising. ------BB From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 3 18:57:24 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:57:24 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DE966D4.9050001@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 6:43 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Where will we be 10 years from now? > Will AM be silenced? > HD has been as successful as AM stereo so far.... > > A lot of AM stations have trouble paying the electric bill > > Where the heck are we going??? Unfortunately, I think that AM radio will eventually disappear, if not in 10 years, than maybe in 20. If younger people are still listening to radio, I don't think they are listening to AM radio in very large numbers. Whether they discover AM radio as they get older is an open question. Unless they do, the Bob Bittners of this world will have to go elsewhere -- maybe on the Internet, where you don't need a license, a transmitter, or the real estate for one. Or the large electric bill. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 3 20:11:25 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:11:25 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <4DE966D4.9050001@attorneyross.com> References: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4DE966D4.9050001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19945.30765.696286.905280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > question. Unless they do, the Bob Bittners of this world will have to > go elsewhere -- maybe on the Internet, where you don't need a license, a > transmitter, or the real estate for one. Or the large electric bill. Ah, but you need a different kind of license to do Internet broadcasting, thanks to a bogus distinction in the copyright law that treats streaming as somehow magically different from OTA broadcasting as far as piracy goes. The NAB has thus far successfully fought off correcting this in a way that would hurt OTA broadcasters, which the copyright industry has been lobbying for for years. But Bob's electric bill at WJIB is probably less than the mandatory copyright license costs would be for streaming to the same number of listeners. Plus, the blanket license for streaming includes a number of asinine restrictions on program content (e.g., cannot play more than three songs performed by the same artist in an hour). -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 20:13:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:13:59 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <272662705-1307146441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669812578-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Scott - Graham - what do you figure it costs to keep a 50K humming 24/7?? Clear Channel just must look at 1200 as a nice tax loss... From brscomm@yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 19:38:15 2011 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <672787.29023.qm@web161216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Since I am no longer carrying a people meter, I can speak without fear of the PPM police busting me. Here in St Louis the base is $5/mo. It can go up to $15/mo depending on the amount of?time you wear it. There were $50 bonus payments every six months. Getting the 17 year old stepdaughter to carry it was nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell phone away from her but that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... ? Bill ________________________________ From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Laurence Cc: boston Radio Interest Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:18:00 PM Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. < said: > PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April.? They listen an average > of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. Sample size? I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three reasons: (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down into narrow demos like this. (2) The sample is highly biased.? What non-user of radio is likely to agree to participate?? How much compensation is Arbitron even offering these days?? (Is it still $5?)? For a lot of young people, that's not nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device with them wherever they go.? How does Arbitron even identify the sample? (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places over which they may have little or no control.? They can hardly be said to be listening in this situation. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 3 20:50:01 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <272662705-1307146441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669812578-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <272662705-1307146441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669812578-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19945.33081.74965.586738@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Scott - Graham - what do you figure it costs to keep a 50K humming 24/7?? > Clear Channel just must look at 1200 as a nice tax loss... Don't know who Graham is, but here's some basic calculations: Let's look at NStar G-2 service in Newton, since we're talking about 1200. A Nautel NX50 running at 100% modulation draws about 85 kW. We'll assume that the peak demand is 90 kW and the 24-hour average is 80 kW, so the total energy usage in a 30-day month is 57,600 kW*h. The monthly electric bill in November is then: Monthly charge $ 18.19 Distribution (first 2000 kWh) $ 47.70 Distribution (next 150 hr) $ 225.60 Distribution (remaining energy) $ 738.15 Distribution (demand) $ 848.70 Transition $ 545.47 Transmission (demand) $ 428.40 Energy conservation $ 144.00 Renewable energy $ 28.80 Cost of energy $4631.04 --------------------------------------- -------- Total $7656.05 In June, the total increases to $9049.14. Add to that rent or property taxes; amortized tower maintenance; amortized depreciation on the transmitter, associated equipment, and buildings; program acquisition costs; and general overhead, and I'm guessing you're probably looking at not less than $15,000 per month. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 3 21:00:49 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:00:49 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <945435540-1307149250-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1376366286-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Thanks - my spell checker changed you to Graham :) Obviously CC can deal with that expense 1510 - good luck In the rent a car here in Vancouver the few AM's here are fine - Seattle comes in clear but otherwise the band is very quiet. ------Original Message------ From: Garrett Wollman To: Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) Sent: Jun 3, 2011 7:50 PM < said: > Scott - Graham - what do you figure it costs to keep a 50K humming 24/7?? > Clear Channel just must look at 1200 as a nice tax loss... Don't know who Graham is, but here's some basic calculations: Let's look at NStar G-2 service in Newton, since we're talking about 1200. A Nautel NX50 running at 100% modulation draws about 85 kW. We'll assume that the peak demand is 90 kW and the 24-hour average is 80 kW, so the total energy usage in a 30-day month is 57,600 kW*h. The monthly electric bill in November is then: Monthly charge $ 18.19 Distribution (first 2000 kWh) $ 47.70 Distribution (next 150 hr) $ 225.60 Distribution (remaining energy) $ 738.15 Distribution (demand) $ 848.70 Transition $ 545.47 Transmission (demand) $ 428.40 Energy conservation $ 144.00 Renewable energy $ 28.80 Cost of energy $4631.04 --------------------------------------- -------- Total $7656.05 In June, the total increases to $9049.14. Add to that rent or property taxes; amortized tower maintenance; amortized depreciation on the transmitter, associated equipment, and buildings; program acquisition costs; and general overhead, and I'm guessing you're probably looking at not less than $15,000 per month. -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 21:20:35 2011 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PPM's (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <672787.29023.qm@web161216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <953682.23550.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Re: PPM's --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Bill Smith wrote: > Getting the 17 year old > stepdaughter to carry it was > nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell > phone away from her but > that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... Did you (as the dad) have to "get after her" to wear it? Did you (as the dad) ever carry it for a day when she left it behind? Did you (as the dad) ever take it and shake it around to give the impression that she was wearing it? Why did your time as a PPM participant end? Was it your doing...or Arbitron's doing? Would you have participated longer? As a PPM family, during your time as a participant, what is the total amount of reward compensation (i.e.$$$) that you received? Was the compensation worth the hassle? Did you do continue to participate for the monetary compensation....or the thought that you were influencing radio programming? Thanks! --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Bill Smith wrote: > From: Bill Smith > Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:38 PM > Since I am no longer carrying a > people meter, I can speak without fear of the > PPM police busting me. Here in St Louis the base is $5/mo. > It can go up to > $15/mo depending on the amount of?time you wear it. There > were $50 bonus > payments every six months. Getting the 17 year old > stepdaughter to carry it was > nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell > phone away from her but > that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... > ? > Bill > > > > ________________________________ > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Mark Laurence > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:18:00 PM > Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. > > < Laurence > > said: > > > PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > > > 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April.? They > listen an average > > of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. > > Sample size? > > I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three > reasons: > > (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down > into > narrow demos like this. > > (2) The sample is highly biased.? What non-user of radio > is likely to > agree to participate?? How much compensation is Arbitron > even offering > these days?? (Is it still $5?)? For a lot of young > people, that's not > nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device > with them > wherever they go.? How does Arbitron even identify the > sample? > > (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places > over which > they may have little or no control.? They can hardly be > said to be > listening in this situation. > > -GAWollman > > From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jun 3 21:23:41 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:23:41 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > >> 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April. They listen an >> average >> of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. > > I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three reasons: > > (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down into > narrow demos like this. I'll agree when you are ranking individual stations and dayparts. The sample size can't be depended on to tell you accurately who's in 5th or 6th place, 18-24 males, 10A-3P, for a single week. But for a massive number like total market listening cume, the PPM should be fairly accurate, especially considering that the number doesn't vary too much from week to week over the course of a year. It's obvious that an extremely high number of young listeners spend hours every week with radio. > (2) The sample is highly biased. What non-user of radio is likely to > agree to participate? How much compensation is Arbitron even offering > these days? (Is it still $5?) For a lot of young people, that's not > nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device with them > wherever they go. How does Arbitron even identify the sample? Bill said he got $5 a month, but I've heard of payments much higher for younger demos and hard-to-get ethnic groups. Plus, Arbitron chooses entire families to participate, so a household might earn several hundred dollars for taking part. I do agree there's probably a bias against non-listeners. If you consistently sent reports of zero listening, you'd probably get kicked off. But that doesn't exclude low-level listeners who would drag down the average TSL (now called Average Weekly Time Exposed), and 7-10 hours of average listening is still a hefty amount. > (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places over which > they may have little or no control. They can hardly be said to be > listening in this situation. As an advertiser or a programmer, you don't really care if the listener LOVES the program, your goal is to get them to hear the program and the ads that accompany it. But that's the way it's always been, except with diaries you had to get listeners to remember the call letters. Now, you're getting a more accurate count of who's in the room, hearing the radio and the ads. It doesn't really matter if they have control over the radio dial. One goal of programming for PPMs is to create a station that dial- owners (in stores, workplaces, etc.) will play for captive audiences. Of course they don't hear every word, just like a Sunday Globe reader might toss out a section without reading it, or an American Idol viewer might fast-forward the DVR or head for the bathroom. Actually, passive listeners are much more likely to be exposed to an entire ad than people who are sitting next to the button on the car radio, so maybe an advertiser wants them even more. From sid@wrko.com Fri Jun 3 18:54:29 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:54:29 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA1615A6@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "Where will we be 10 years from now? Will AM be silenced? HD has been as successful as AM stereo so far.... "A lot of AM stations have trouble paying the electric bill "Where the heck are we going???" There are actually quite a few AMs that have already turned in their licenses, although AFAIK none are in major markets, where many AMs are not only profitable but are also ratings leaders. But the migration of formerly AM-only formats to FM has begun, and given the value of land these days (which AMs typically require lots of), IMO it's only a matter of time before the AM band really starts to thin out. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 3 22:20:22 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:20:22 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) References: <272662705-1307146441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669812578-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Can somebody compute the RMS RF output power of a 50-kW AM carrier amplitude modulated with an audio frequency sinewave to 125% on positive peaks and 5% on negtive peaks? (Actually, 125% is 225% of the _amplitude_ of the unmodulated carrier, which means the peak power--which is proportional to the square of the amplitude--is ~5 times 50 kW.) The input power to a modern solid-state AM transmitter is probably about 125% of that RMS output power. Multiply by 30.416*24 hours/average month and by $0.20/kW-hour cost of electricity (around here, anyhow; less in most other parts of the US) and you have your answer. I believe the power bill comes out to about $10,000/month, but I could have made a mistake in the math. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; ; Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) > Scott - Graham - what do you figure it costs to keep a 50K humming > 24/7?? > > Clear Channel just must look at 1200 as a nice tax loss... > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jun 3 22:57:31 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:57:31 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I got called by Arbitron. After asking all kinds of questions such as age and gender of everyone in the house, they told me I'd be receiving a package from them next week. I got a letter then next week saying they didn't need me after all. :-( On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > <> marklaurence@mac.com> said: >> >> PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: >>> >> >> 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April. They listen an average >>> of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. >>> >> >> I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three reasons: >> >> (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down into >> narrow demos like this. >> > > I'll agree when you are ranking individual stations and dayparts. > The sample size can't be depended on to tell you accurately who's > in 5th or 6th place, 18-24 males, 10A-3P, for a single week. > > But for a massive number like total market listening cume, the PPM > should be fairly accurate, especially considering that the number > doesn't vary too much from week to week over the course of a > year. It's obvious that an extremely high number of young listeners > spend hours every week with radio. > > > (2) The sample is highly biased. What non-user of radio is likely to >> agree to participate? How much compensation is Arbitron even offering >> these days? (Is it still $5?) For a lot of young people, that's not >> nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device with them >> wherever they go. How does Arbitron even identify the sample? >> > > Bill said he got $5 a month, but I've heard of payments much higher > for younger demos and hard-to-get ethnic groups. Plus, Arbitron > chooses entire families to participate, so a household might earn > several hundred dollars for taking part. I do agree there's probably > a bias against non-listeners. If you consistently sent reports of > zero listening, you'd probably get kicked off. But that doesn't > exclude low-level listeners who would drag down the average TSL > (now called Average Weekly Time Exposed), and 7-10 hours of > average listening is still a hefty amount. > > > (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places over which >> they may have little or no control. They can hardly be said to be >> listening in this situation. >> > > As an advertiser or a programmer, you don't really care if the > listener LOVES the program, your goal is to get them to hear the > program and the ads that accompany it. But that's the way it's > always been, except with diaries you had to get listeners to > remember the call letters. Now, you're getting a more accurate > count of who's in the room, hearing the radio and the ads. It > doesn't really matter if they have control over the radio dial. One > goal of programming for PPMs is to create a station that dial- > owners (in stores, workplaces, etc.) will play for captive audiences. > > Of course they don't hear every word, just like a Sunday Globe > reader might toss out a section without reading it, or an > American Idol viewer might fast-forward the DVR or head > for the bathroom. Actually, passive listeners are much more > likely to be exposed to an entire ad than people who are sitting > next to the button on the car radio, so maybe an advertiser wants > them even more. > From ecps92@earthlink.net Fri Jun 3 22:52:14 2011 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:52:14 -0400 Subject: In a hotel room in Vancouver Message-ID: <01e901cc2262$69125410$3b36fc30$@net> >From a friend in Vancouver, who [besides having a Bet on the Bruins with me] I asked about WSBK on Cable. -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:10 PM To: ecps92@earthlink.net Subject: RE: In a hotel room in Vancouver On cable we get that one as well as channels from Atlanta, NYC, Chicago and LA. In addition we get NBC, CBS, PBS & ABC from Detroit and FOX from Rochester so can watch shows three hours earlier if we don't want to watch the local or Seattle ones. -----Original Message----- Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 00:03:37 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 04:03:37 +0000 Subject: In a hotel room in Vancouver In-Reply-To: <01e901cc2262$69125410$3b36fc30$@net> References: <01e901cc2262$69125410$3b36fc30$@net> Message-ID: <1439484461-1307160219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1443138977-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Before cable blew broadcast out of the water in local sports - there was a company in Syracuse (Eastern Microwave) that bounced signals all over the place) 38 didn't get a penny out of it BUT eyeballs I remember when Somerville cable had WPIX - when 11 signed off WCBS would kick in -----Original Message----- From: "~Bill" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:52:14 To: Reply-To: ecps92@earthlink.net Subject: In a hotel room in Vancouver >From a friend in Vancouver, who [besides having a Bet on the Bruins with me] I asked about WSBK on Cable. -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:10 PM To: ecps92@earthlink.net Subject: RE: In a hotel room in Vancouver On cable we get that one as well as channels from Atlanta, NYC, Chicago and LA. In addition we get NBC, CBS, PBS & ABC from Detroit and FOX from Rochester so can watch shows three hours earlier if we don't want to watch the local or Seattle ones. -----Original Message----- Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 4 00:10:54 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:10:54 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <19945.30765.696286.905280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <176409522-1307141006-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702434528-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4DE966D4.9050001@attorneyross.com> <19945.30765.696286.905280@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4DE9B04E.3040002@attorneyross.com> On 6/3/2011 8:11 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Ah, but you need a different kind of license to do Internet > broadcasting, thanks to a bogus distinction in the copyright law that > treats streaming as somehow magically different from OTA broadcasting > as far as piracy goes. The NAB has thus far successfully fought off > correcting this in a way that would hurt OTA broadcasters, which the > copyright industry has been lobbying for for years. But Bob's > electric bill at WJIB is probably less than the mandatory copyright > license costs would be for streaming to the same number of listeners. > Plus, the blanket license for streaming includes a number of asinine > restrictions on program content (e.g., cannot play more than three > songs performed by the same artist in an hour). This may be so right now, but when nobody is listening to AM radio, Bob will have to change or get out of the business, and selling the station may not be much of an option if nobody is listening. Or perhaps by the time Bob's older audience stops listening, Bob will be ready to retire anyway. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Sat Jun 4 00:29:00 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:29:00 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <945435540-1307149250-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1376366286-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <945435540-1307149250-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1376366286-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DE9B48C.3050700@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the rent a car here in Vancouver the few AM's here are fine - > Seattle comes in clear but otherwise the band is very quiet. Vancouver is one of the few Canadian markets that still has most of its AMs, actually. In the decade or so since I was last there, I think only one AM signal has gone dark, and it's been replaced by a new one: 600 CJOR/CKBD - gone, moved to 100.5 FM 690 CBU - still there, the largest CBC AM market, augmented by a fill-in FM signal on 88.1 730 CHMJ - ex CKLG ("LG73"), all-traffic 980 CKNW - still the big news-talker 1040 CKST - sports "Team" 1130 CKWX - all-news "News 1130" 1200 CJRJ - new ethnic signal since I was last in town 1320 CHMB - Chinese 1410 CFTE - sports "Team 2" (ex-CFUN, talk) 1470 CJVB - Chinese All the AMs that had been in outlying parts of the Lower Mainland have gone to FM, and Victoria is down to just two AMs (CKMO 900 and CFAX 1070), with one of those leaving AM soon, too. s From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 01:03:02 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 05:03:02 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Message-ID: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Scott - you have no idea the power struggle going on here with NBC I am just a well oiled keg in the wheel but somebody needs to take control before 7:59:59 Sat nite - Philly wants NBC BOC to answer to them??? - so we got NABET and IBEW going at it - Comcast says well we can fall back on CBC The Ebersol thing is about to blow GO BROONS Have card with IBEW 1228 and NABET 5 You know the drill - just a pawn ------Original Message------ From: Scott Fybush To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Sent: Jun 3, 2011 11:29 PM Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the rent a car here in Vancouver the few AM's here are fine - > Seattle comes in clear but otherwise the band is very quiet. Vancouver is one of the few Canadian markets that still has most of its AMs, actually. In the decade or so since I was last there, I think only one AM signal has gone dark, and it's been replaced by a new one: 600 CJOR/CKBD - gone, moved to 100.5 FM 690 CBU - still there, the largest CBC AM market, augmented by a fill-in FM signal on 88.1 730 CHMJ - ex CKLG ("LG73"), all-traffic 980 CKNW - still the big news-talker 1040 CKST - sports "Team" 1130 CKWX - all-news "News 1130" 1200 CJRJ - new ethnic signal since I was last in town 1320 CHMB - Chinese 1410 CFTE - sports "Team 2" (ex-CFUN, talk) 1470 CJVB - Chinese All the AMs that had been in outlying parts of the Lower Mainland have gone to FM, and Victoria is down to just two AMs (CKMO 900 and CFAX 1070), with one of those leaving AM soon, too. s From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jun 4 01:13:34 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:13:34 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19945.48894.243284.780444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I am just a well oiled keg in the wheel but somebody needs to take > control before 7:59:59 Sat nite - Philly wants NBC BOC to answer to > them??? Well, they do *own* it now. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 01:47:22 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 05:47:22 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Message-ID: <2025308355-1307166443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273826915-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Yes they do I have spent my career just going with the flow. This is a Philly-NY turf battle which has gone on for decades ( heck Philly O&O's still have camerarmen for studio news ) goes back to Mike Douglas at KYW Boston crew never got into these wars as a rule Dr. Halper can recall the horror show of Dick Booth from WNEU to WRKO during the IBEW strike What we fear later today is NBC BOC at 30 Rock will not give control to Versus in Philly - heck we could see colorbars at 8:00:00 on the net This is all because of Dick Ebersol so I hope you all see hockey at 8 - I really hate this turf crap.. GO BROONS :) (Chuck Igo knows) ------Original Message------ From: Garrett Wollman To: Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Sent: Jun 4, 2011 12:13 AM < said: > I am just a well oiled keg in the wheel but somebody needs to take > control before 7:59:59 Sat nite - Philly wants NBC BOC to answer to > them??? Well, they do *own* it now. -GAWollman From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jun 4 02:01:04 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 02:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <2661.21151059.3b1b2420@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/2011 12:14:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: This may be so right now, but when nobody is listening to AM radio, Bob will have to change or get out of the business, and selling the station may not be much of an option if nobody is listening. Or perhaps by the time Bob's older audience stops listening, Bob will be ready to retire anyway. --------------------------- Audience stops listening? Probably a nice way of saying "dieing off". That was said of the Music of Your Life format back in the mid-late 1980's; but now in 2011, it's still going strong, listenerwise, as before. Likely due to adjustments such as occasional songs thrown in by The Four Seasons, Gary Lewis & Playboys, Shirelles, Crystals, Vogues, Beatles, Turtles, Gore, Elvis, Darin, etc., but not Sam the Sham & Pharoughs, nor Iron Butterfly. And those 40's and 50-somethings.... they love to hear the standards classics from Helen Forrest, Goodman, Shaw, Miller, Andrews Sisters, Eddie Fisher. Check out "Friends & Lovers of WJIB" (not started by me) on Facebook, and see what the people in their 20's thru 60's are saying. - As for AM radio? Don't know the future, but I do know that a station will be listened-to if it's doing something different, and people like the idea of being serenaded by someone else, where the only efforts needed is to flip the "on switch" on a radio. - I also think that additional future fees will stifle 4G-smartphones' predicted viral spread. On internet streaming.... it amazes me how the labels have successfully gotten the Copyright Royalty Board to get non-station streamers to actually PAY for the privilege of running 24-hour commercials for the labels! ----BB From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 02:09:53 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:09:53 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <2661.21151059.3b1b2420@aol.com> References: <2661.21151059.3b1b2420@aol.com> Message-ID: <375354927-1307167795-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-847043945-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Bob - do you ever hear from any WXKS-AM staffers as you pretty much took over when they flipped -----Original Message----- From: Jibguy@aol.com Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 02:01:04 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In a message dated 6/4/2011 12:14:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: This may be so right now, but when nobody is listening to AM radio, Bob will have to change or get out of the business, and selling the station may not be much of an option if nobody is listening. Or perhaps by the time Bob's older audience stops listening, Bob will be ready to retire anyway. --------------------------- Audience stops listening? Probably a nice way of saying "dieing off". That was said of the Music of Your Life format back in the mid-late 1980's; but now in 2011, it's still going strong, listenerwise, as before. Likely due to adjustments such as occasional songs thrown in by The Four Seasons, Gary Lewis & Playboys, Shirelles, Crystals, Vogues, Beatles, Turtles, Gore, Elvis, Darin, etc., but not Sam the Sham & Pharoughs, nor Iron Butterfly. And those 40's and 50-somethings.... they love to hear the standards classics from Helen Forrest, Goodman, Shaw, Miller, Andrews Sisters, Eddie Fisher. Check out "Friends & Lovers of WJIB" (not started by me) on Facebook, and see what the people in their 20's thru 60's are saying. - As for AM radio? Don't know the future, but I do know that a station will be listened-to if it's doing something different, and people like the idea of being serenaded by someone else, where the only efforts needed is to flip the "on switch" on a radio. - I also think that additional future fees will stifle 4G-smartphones' predicted viral spread. On internet streaming.... it amazes me how the labels have successfully gotten the Copyright Royalty Board to get non-station streamers to actually PAY for the privilege of running 24-hour commercials for the labels! ----BB From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jun 4 02:29:00 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 02:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <2a0d.523c82ec.3b1b2aac@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/2011 2:09:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: Bob - do you ever hear from any WXKS-AM staffers as you pretty much took over when they flipped ------------ Haven't been in contact with anyone from there excepting Bill Wightman, the morning man, and Chris Clarke, who I hired there (WXKS) in 1984 (I think Chris did 10PM shift or overnight shift). ----BB From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Jun 4 07:38:52 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in Message-ID: It all sounds great but how will 10, 20, or 30+ thousand stations playing a variation of the same thing make any money? This seems more of a pirate business model than anything else. Go online for a few months and then pull the plug. Mike In a message dated 6/3/2011 10:18:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>I'm reasonably certain that the car companies are thinking about that. The current generation of in-car electronics like Ford's MyFordTouch system are already equipped to control smartphone-based media players over a bluetooth connection. I think the cost will relatively soon cease to be an issue as many people will have their 4G wireless data connection become their primary Internet connection anyway. Obviously the early adopters will be fairly well off.<<< From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Jun 4 07:46:47 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pirates Message-ID: Well it is illegal to market a non-FCC compliant device. Intertech-FM was issued two fines totalling 40K for doing that. Here is one of the fines _http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-147A1.pdf_ (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-147A1.pdf) EBay "can" restrict what they want but don't follow their own rules. Try reporting a one-killowatt, uncertified transmitter and see how far it gets you. These guys are bringing in money to eBAy and they aren't going to do anything to disturb that. In fact, one of the merchants is the same guy that got the 40K fine! Mike In a message dated 6/2/2011 11:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bob.bosra@demattia.net writes: > Why couldn't a licensed broadcaster sell a transmitter on eBay to another > licensed broadcaster? Happens all the time, I'm sure. For that matter, > is possession of a high-power transmitter without a license for same > actually illegal if it isn't being used? You are correct, as far as the law is concerned, there's nothing wrong with someone selling an FM transmitter to someone else. It's also not illegal to possess such a device. It is only illegal to use it without a license. However, eBay has its own rules about what can and can't be sold in the service. Specifically about FM transmitters they say: Low-power radio transmitting devices and related equipment: The FCC restricts how powerful these items can be. FM transmitters are limited to an effective range of approximately 35-100 feet (11-30 meters). AM transmitters are limited to an effective range of approximately 200-250 feet (61-76 meters). Sellers can't list devices that claim or suggest they have a larger range. eBay, a private company, can restrict what's on their site and doesn't really need to have a reason. They have a whole list of things you can't sell here: _http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/items-ov.html_ (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/items-ov.html) -Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jun 4 09:37:10 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:37:10 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) References: <2a0d.523c82ec.3b1b2aac@aol.com> Message-ID: <406C07A711534CB394E80510790D1065@SatU205S5044> Other than commercials for storm windows, backyard sheds, and a small bank or two, what is Wightman doing these days? I assume that he writes and produces all of those spots; seems unlikely that an agency copy writer could tailor them to his style and personality anywhere near as nicely as he can do it himself. Also, I suspect that the window outfit and the shed outfit are owned by the same guy. Anyway, the fewer the others are who skim off part of the take, the more money Wightman makes. Still, it seems unlikely to me that his income from those spots could provide much more than a small (and probably very welcome) supplement to what he needs to live on. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7in R.I.) > > In a message dated 6/4/2011 2:09:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kvahey@gmail.com writes: > > Bob - do you ever hear from any WXKS-AM staffers as you pretty much > took > over when they flipped > > > > > ------------ > Haven't been in contact with anyone from there excepting Bill > Wightman, > the morning man, and Chris Clarke, who I hired there (WXKS) in 1984 > (I think > Chris did 10PM shift or overnight shift). > ----BB From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 11:00:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <580449.36390.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <580449.36390.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maureen We might know more come Friday - Ebersol is in Paris and I would not be shocked to see him show up at the IOC meeting on Monday. The NBC people feel Dick was shot in the back. This promo aired on the network Tuesday night - This was not an accident. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MEX2bgycEBM On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Kevin, > > I can tell you on the RSN side of things we've been questioning some of the > decisions coming out of Philly. The common remarks I hear in the building is > "who bought who" and "who is in charge, really". There are a lot of > redundant management people trying to hold on to their jobs by hook and > crook who only want the "Comcast way" and a lot of folks at 30 Rock who want > us to fall in line with NBC norms. The moving of the RSN MCs from the > Comcast Media Center in Denver or Rainbow/Cablevision to the NBC Englewood > Cliffs facility has been a nightmare. It's to the point that I question my > future with the organization. > > Maureen > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kevin Vahey > *To:* Scott Fybush > > *Cc:* boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 1:03:02 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to > simulcaston88.7inR.I.) > > Scott - you have no idea the power struggle going on here with NBC > > I am just a well oiled keg in the wheel but somebody needs to take control > before 7:59:59 Sat nite - Philly wants NBC BOC to answer to them??? - so we > got NABET and IBEW going at it - Comcast says well we can fall back on CBC > > The Ebersol thing is about to blow > > GO BROONS > > Have card with IBEW 1228 and NABET 5 > > You know the drill - just a pawn > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 11:14:25 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:14:25 -0500 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <4DEA431C.2000807@donnahalper.com> References: <2025308355-1307166443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273826915-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4DEA431C.2000807@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Of course there was insane featherbedding years ago..... My favorite tale is how Westinghouse snookered IBEW at WBZ 1228 demanded that union controlled anything with a VU meter - Westinghouse said fine Then BZ installed combo boards with no meters for the jocks.... IBEW still had master control and the main talk show studio - Glick they just let him figure out the carts on his on..... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Kevin wrote-- > > Dr. Halper can recall the horror show of Dick Booth from WNEU to WRKO >> during the IBEW strike >> >> >> > Ah yes, and I also recall mangers (GMs and PDs) being pressed into service > on air when regular announcers wouldn't cross the picket line. If I recall > correctly, Mel Phillips ended up doing a shift. But a bigger concern is > whether a giant conglomerate like Comcast will do away with labor > protections entirely if given the chance. Okay fine, it's fashionable to > bash unions and I know there a excesses that folks who are not fans of IBEW > or AFTRA can find, but it's pretty well documented that union shops pay > better, and Comcast (and others companies like them) would be perfectly > happy to pay people lower wages and make them work longer hours! Just > saying. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 4 10:37:16 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 10:37:16 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <2025308355-1307166443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273826915-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <2025308355-1307166443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273826915-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DEA431C.2000807@donnahalper.com> Kevin wrote-- > Dr. Halper can recall the horror show of Dick Booth from WNEU to WRKO during the IBEW strike > > Ah yes, and I also recall mangers (GMs and PDs) being pressed into service on air when regular announcers wouldn't cross the picket line. If I recall correctly, Mel Phillips ended up doing a shift. But a bigger concern is whether a giant conglomerate like Comcast will do away with labor protections entirely if given the chance. Okay fine, it's fashionable to bash unions and I know there a excesses that folks who are not fans of IBEW or AFTRA can find, but it's pretty well documented that union shops pay better, and Comcast (and others companies like them) would be perfectly happy to pay people lower wages and make them work longer hours! Just saying. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 10:36:26 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <2052337912-1307163784-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419446724-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <580449.36390.qm@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Kevin, I can tell you on the RSN side of things we've been questioning some of the decisions coming out of Philly. The common remarks I hear in the building is "who bought who" and "who is in charge, really". There are a lot of redundant management people trying to hold on to their jobs by hook and crook who only want the "Comcast way" and a lot of folks at 30 Rock who want us to fall in line with NBC norms. The moving of the RSN MCs from the Comcast Media Center in Denver or Rainbow/Cablevision to the NBC Englewood Cliffs facility has been a nightmare. It's to the point that I question my future with the organization. Maureen ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Scott Fybush Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 1:03:02 AM Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Scott - you have no idea the power struggle going on here with NBC I am just a well oiled keg in the wheel but somebody needs to take control before 7:59:59 Sat nite - Philly wants NBC BOC to answer to them??? - so we got NABET and IBEW going at it - Comcast says well we can fall back on CBC The Ebersol thing is about to blow GO BROONS Have card with IBEW 1228 and NABET 5 You know the drill - just a pawn From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 12:44:13 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:44:13 -0400 Subject: Boston e-mail radio list cookout In-Reply-To: <4DE85C46.60601@attorneyross.com> References: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> <4DE85C46.60601@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Sept 18 is great for me, either time.--Bob On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:00 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 6/2/2011 9:42 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > >> How about Saturday June 18th from 2-5 or a little later. ?Does that work >> for >> everybody? ?Please let me know and we'll start working on a list of who is >> bringing what. ?As you let me know I will post it on my website at: >> http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm > > I'd prefer an evening get-together if possible. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 ? ? ? ? ?Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 12:44:46 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:44:46 -0400 Subject: Boston e-mail radio list cookout In-Reply-To: References: <096701cc218f$9252ed90$b6f8c8b0$@com> <4DE85C46.60601@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: OOPS! I mean June 18...yikes! :) On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Sept 18 is great for me, either time.--Bob From brscomm@yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 13:35:22 2011 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PPM's (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <953682.23550.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <953682.23550.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <129715.55453.qm@web161201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> See embedded comments. ________________________________ From: D. A. To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Bill Smith Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:20:35 PM Subject: PPM's (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Several times a week Did you (as the dad) ever carry it for a day when she left it behind? No. With my personal cell phone, company cell phone, my PPM, and the walkie-talkie I carry, I have no room left on my belt. Did you (as the dad) ever take it and shake it around to give the impression that she was wearing it? Once or twice a month. She would drop it on the couch while we were watching TV and I'd shake it. Why did your time as a PPM participant end?? Was it your doing...or Arbitron's doing?? Would you have participated longer? It was Arbitron. We did two years which was what they told us up front. Yes, I would have continued. As a PPM family, during your time as a participant, what is the total amount of reward compensation (i.e.$$$) that you received Honestly I can't say. Probably $200-250 each per year. Was the compensation worth the hassle?? Did you do continue to participate for the monetary compensation....or the thought that you were influencing radio programming? For the rest of the family, it was the compensation. For me, it was the influence. Compensation was OK, but $15/month? hardly worth it. Thanks! --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Bill Smith wrote: > From: Bill Smith > Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:38 PM > Since I am no longer carrying a > people meter, I can speak without fear of the > PPM police busting me. Here in St Louis the base is $5/mo. > It can go up to > $15/mo depending on the amount of?time you wear it. There > were $50 bonus > payments every six months. Getting the 17 year old > stepdaughter to carry it was > nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell > phone away from her but > that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... > ? > Bill > > > > ________________________________ > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Mark Laurence > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:18:00 PM > Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. > > < Laurence > > said: > > > PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > > > 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April.? They > listen an average > > of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. > > Sample size? > > I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three > reasons: > > (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down > into > narrow demos like this. > > (2) The sample is highly biased.? What non-user of radio > is likely to > agree to participate?? How much compensation is Arbitron > even offering > these days?? (Is it still $5?)? For a lot of young > people, that's not > nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device > with them > wherever they go.? How does Arbitron even identify the > sample? > > (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places > over which > they may have little or no control.? They can hardly be > said to be > listening in this situation. > > -GAWollman > > Re: PPM's --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Bill Smith wrote: > Getting the 17 year old > stepdaughter to carry it was > nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell > phone away from her but > that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... Did you (as the dad) have to "get after her" to wear it? From brscomm@yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 13:41:01 2011 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <280020.67368.qm@web161220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> My results aren't typical since I'm on the road most of the day and can listen. Compensation base was $5 and went up to $15 which is what I got most months. I'm an active listener. I don't know how often the PPM took samples, but I might change a dozen times in an hour. Bill ________________________________ From: Mark Laurence To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston Radio Interest Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:23:41 PM Subject: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> PPM ratings for the most recent month in Boston show: > >> 94.1% of people age 18-24 cumed radio in April.? They listen an average >> of 10 hours 15 minutes a week. > > I'm generally pretty suspicious of these numbers, for three reasons: > > (1) The sample is very small, particularly when sliced down into > narrow demos like this. I'll agree when you are ranking individual stations and dayparts. The sample size can't be depended on to tell you accurately who's in 5th or 6th place, 18-24 males, 10A-3P, for a single week. But for a massive number like total market listening cume, the PPM should be fairly accurate, especially considering that the number doesn't vary too much from week to week over the course of a year.? It's obvious that an extremely high number of young listeners spend hours every week with radio. > (2) The sample is highly biased.? What non-user of radio is likely to > agree to participate?? How much compensation is Arbitron even offering > these days?? (Is it still $5?)? For a lot of young people, that's not > nearly enough to get them to carry a pager-sized device with them > wherever they go.? How does Arbitron even identify the sample? Bill said he got $5 a month, but I've heard of payments much higher for younger demos and hard-to-get ethnic groups.? Plus, Arbitron chooses entire families to participate, so a household might earn several hundred dollars for taking part.? I do agree there's probably a bias against non-listeners.? If you consistently sent reports of zero listening, you'd probably get kicked off.? But that doesn't exclude low-level listeners who would drag down the average TSL (now called Average Weekly Time Exposed), and 7-10 hours of average listening is still a hefty amount. > (3) People are exposed to radio in many different places over which > they may have little or no control.? They can hardly be said to be > listening in this situation. As an advertiser or a programmer, you don't really care if the listener LOVES the program, your goal is to get them to hear the program and the ads that accompany it.? But that's the way it's always been, except with diaries you had to get listeners to remember the call letters.? Now, you're getting a more accurate count of who's in the room, hearing the radio and the ads.? It doesn't really matter if they have control over the radio dial.? One goal of programming for PPMs is to create a station that dial- owners (in stores, workplaces, etc.) will play for captive audiences. Of course they don't hear every word, just like a Sunday Globe reader might toss out a section without reading it, or an American Idol viewer might fast-forward the DVR or head for the bathroom.? Actually, passive listeners are much more likely to be exposed to an entire ad than people who are sitting next to the button on the car radio, so maybe an advertiser wants them even more. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jun 4 15:41:49 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:41:49 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19946.35453.694324.582120@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < It all sounds great but how will 10, 20, or 30+ thousand stations playing > a variation of the same thing make any money? The same way they do now. (There are already 12,000 radio stations in the U.S.) They will make money by appealing to a particular audience that is willing to pay for the content, or is sufficiently desirable to advertisers. Or they will lose money, and either go out of business, or be supported by charity. Broadcasters whose content is non-perishable are already in trouble. There's no particular reason to favor one source of non-perishable content over another. Broadcasters with a unique value proposition will continue to thrive, and even expand into markets they are unable to reach by traditional broadcast technology. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jun 4 15:32:33 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 19:32:33 +0000 Subject: WJMF CP: Antenna Seems VERY Directional Message-ID: <20110604193234.7620@gmx.com> With all the commentary here, at radio-info.com and even the Boston Musical Intelligencer about the carriage of WCRB All-classical 99.5 on WJMF-FM 88.7 near Providence, RI, I thought I'd look at the CP to boost power from 225 watts to 1.2 KW because in the past few months, a slew of stations on 88.5 have popped up in southeastern Mass and and a station on the same frequency (with the iconic WMEX call letters) has been authorized for Martha's Vineyard, MA. First of all, according to the FCC web site, this CP expired Friday, June 3rd. Have they at least started testing yet? The type of antenna for WJMF goes from NDA to DA with seemingly sharp minima at 70 degrees (northeasterly) and 260 degrees (northwesterly). The new antenna is a bit south of the Bryant campus so instead of being NW of Providence, it's more to the west of the city. I wonder how much oomph (a technical term) it will deliver to the Independent Man City, as well as Pawtucket, East Prov, etc. When I enter the coordinates for the new site (41, 48, 12 N; 71, 33, 27W) and click on 'satellite', then zoom in, there's a tower there already, possibly a cellular phone tower. The NECRAT photo still shows the old antenna on the campus. From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jun 4 15:42:34 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 19:42:34 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) Message-ID: <20110604194234.7600@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sid Schweiger >Sent: 06/03/11 06:54 PM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: RE: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) >There are actually quite a few AMs that have already turned in their licenses, although AFAIK none are in major markets, where many AMs are not only profitable but are also ratings leaders. >But the migration of formerly AM-only formats to FM has begun, and given the value of land these days (which AMs typically require lots of), IMO it's only a matter of time before the AM band >really starts to thin out. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 W9WI.com just displayed the latest FCC totals of radio stations, and there were 4 fewer AM outlets than a year ago. But just a few days ago, WDOD-AM 1310 in Chattanooga, TN called it quits; I believe a WDOD-FM exists. Is Chattanooga "major"? The w9wi blog frequently mentions AM stations that have gone bye-bye, like WFGN in Gaffney, SC...at 1180 on-the-dial, a daytimer limited by WHAM in Rochester, NY. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jun 4 15:00:19 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:00:19 -0400 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. In-Reply-To: <280020.67368.qm@web161220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <28e3829f-2c52-406d-8588-a99e76a6d5a0@me.com> <19945.23960.189715.546460@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <280020.67368.qm@web161220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many years ago,maybe in early 80s, I took part in a radio survey put out by something called RAM (Radio Audience Measurement?). I think I told them I was in college radio but they said no big deal. I think I put down I listened to stations like WDLW (country) and my own, too. It was a diary. Then in the past decade I was chosen as a "Nielsen household" (again I gave full disclosure that I was in radio, not TV, and they said that was fine). They had to rewire my TV and put a device in; when I changed channels I had to hit confirm buttons. Also had to do the same once in awhile "so we know you didn't fall asleep" or something. Whenever I had someone drop by in the room I had to enter in their age and gender, etc. but usually for myself the info was already in there. After two years (IIRC) they came back and took the wiring out of my TV, etc. I think I got $25 or $50 once in awhile, and also when they first came by they gave me a gift basket with candies and such. I don't know how accurate the ratings are whether on TV or radio (but perhaps they claim their sample size and demographic outreach is indicative of TV, or radio, viewing/listening as a whole.) >>One goal of programming for PPMs is to create a station that dial- owners (in stores, workplaces, etc.) will play for captive audiences. Certainly I run into this; a laundromat will have WMJX on while a local breakfast place pipes in Mike 93.7 (In the early 80s when I worked at Building 19 in Lynn we used to run WCGY, "Blue Suede Radio") Some places run XM--I have run into Hess gas stations running "The Bridge", one BBQ place in Connecticut had a Sirius country channel on, and a bar and grille here in Beverly runs XM Classic Tracks, etc From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Jun 4 18:41:33 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR Message-ID: <36a82.60114306.3b1c0e9d@aol.com> Nah, that's not snookering. The NABET contract in 1988 with NBC was a snookering. A side letter that stated any piece of equipmebt that was operated with a computer keyboard would not come under NABET jurisdiction. Now that was a snookering. Mike In a message dated 6/4/2011 12:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>My favorite tale is how Westinghouse snookered IBEW at WBZ 1228 demanded that union controlled anything with a VU meter - Westinghouse said fine Then BZ installed combo boards with no meters for the jocks.... IBEW still had master control and the main talk show studio - Glick they just let him figure out the carts on his on.....<<<< From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sat Jun 4 18:45:53 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) Message-ID: <36be2.319fea3e.3b1c0fa0@aol.com> Now that is surprising. Prior to the merger, all the talk at 30 Rock was everything would be moving to Denver or Philly. Well, GE still owns a big chunk of it and "The Castle" in Englewood Cliffs is a non-union shop. Mike In a message dated 6/4/2011 12:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>The moving of the RSN MCs from the Comcast Media Center in Denver or Rainbow/Cablevision to the NBC Englewood Cliffs facility has been a nightmare. It's to the point that I question my future with the organization.<<<< From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 19:34:36 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NBC and Comcast (was: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcaston88.7inR.I.) In-Reply-To: <36be2.319fea3e.3b1c0fa0@aol.com> References: <36be2.319fea3e.3b1c0fa0@aol.com> Message-ID: <102045.80587.qm@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> We were totally prepared to move it to Denver at the end of this year (the original plan when Comcast bought New England and Bay Area) and were shocked when we were told CMC was closing and everyone was going to Englewood Cliffs. With CMC it would only be minor modifications - everything changes the other way. Add the fact that we now have another layer of management to report to and the help desk now out of India and it's really chaotic. Maureen From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 21:23:13 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:23:13 -0400 Subject: Fw: PPM's (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: Questions for Bill Smith, Re: PPM's --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Bill Smith wrote: > Getting the 17 year old > stepdaughter to carry it was > nearly impossible. Naturally you couldn't pry the cell > phone away from her but > that people meter just didn't go with her goth look... Bill, I have never encountered someone who was a PPM paticipant. If you don't mind, here are a few question for you. -Did you (as the dad) have to "get after" your daughter to wear it? -Did you (as the dad) ever carry it for a day when she left it behind? -Did you (as the dad) ever take it and shake it around to give the impression that she was wearing it? -Why did your time as a PPM participant end? Was it your doing...or Arbitron's doing? Would you have participated longer? -As a PPM family, during your time as a participant, what is the total amount of reward compensation (i.e.$$$) that you received? Was the compensation worth the hassle? Did you do continue to participate for the monetary compensation....or the thought that you were influencing radio programming? Thanks! From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 5 22:53:56 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:53:56 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <20110604194234.7600@gmx.com> References: <20110604194234.7600@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4DEC4144.7010600@attorneyross.com> On 6/4/2011 3:42 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >There are actually quite a few AMs that have already turned in their licenses, although AFAIK none are in major markets, where many AMs are not only profitable but are also ratings leaders.>But the migration of formerly AM-only formats to FM has begun, and given the value of land these days (which AMs typically require lots of), IMO it's only a matter of time before the AM band>really starts to thin out. Maybe that's where low-power community stations should go. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 5 23:03:19 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 03:03:19 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <4DEC4144.7010600@attorneyross.com> References: <20110604194234.7600@gmx.com><4DEC4144.7010600@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1518713612-1307329401-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-268786298-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> It is only a matter of time when we see 850 or 680 go brokered.... One thing that amazes me is no Boston FM owner has tried a Hispanic format -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:53:56 To: Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7in R.I.) On 6/4/2011 3:42 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >There are actually quite a few AMs that have already turned in their licenses, although AFAIK none are in major markets, where many AMs are not only profitable but are also ratings leaders.>But the migration of formerly AM-only formats to FM has begun, and given the value of land these days (which AMs typically require lots of), IMO it's only a matter of time before the AM band>really starts to thin out. Maybe that's where low-power community stations should go. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From tcoco@whav.net Sun Jun 5 16:26:56 2011 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:26:56 -0400 Subject: Phil Christie's Recollections (WHDH, WBZ, WNEW, et al) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87731D8C1F614AFD84FF23D0447DAE3E@CEO> I know many of you have an interest in early Boston disc jockeys. Phil Christie, who received his "big break" at WHDH in 1949 and went on to WBZ, WNEW and many other stations, will be discussing his recollections live on WHAV (audio stream at www.WHAV.net and video stream at www.WHAV.TV) between 6:45 and 7:45 p.m., Monday night. If you have questions for Phil, you can call the show at (978) 374-1900 between those times. Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV Public Media of New England, Inc. WHAVR is a registered trademark and used under license. From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Jun 6 11:37:22 2011 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:37:22 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) Message-ID: >>Is anybody thinking about a future without over-the-air broadcasting, >>with its place taken by internet streaming? There has been much speculation on this future, especially with the rise of in-car internet (and internet-like) technology, like Microsoft Sync. And a lot of doomcrying that once internet devices reach the car, radio is doomed. Like many such proclamations, it's both true and false at the same time. The wireless internet infrastructure needed to even begin to equal the listenership capacity that AM/FM/XM radio has is several orders of magnitude above where the wireless infrastructure is currently at in this country. Or any country. And I don't mean rural, I mean anywhere...including highways and urban areas. The problem is not so much technology. If that were all, the doomcriers would have a point thanks to Moore's Law (technology advancing by doubling every 18 months). But it's actually more a question of politics. Wireless infrastructure expansion effectively requires more tower construction. Tower construction is regulated by local zoning boards. **Tens of thousands** of local zoning boards. All of which inevitably deal with local folks who hate towers and fight them every step of the way. Federal law for cellphone tower siting has broad provisions for overriding local zoning but the process must be observed and that can take months or years. So any buildout that expands capacity by "orders of magnitude" will take many, many years. Decades, more likely. I'd say 30 or 40 years but I've learned never to pontificate past 20 years, and even 15 years is usually too far to see anything clearly. Now, there is some truth to the doomcrying because wireless internet doesn't have to EQUAL the capacity of radio. It merely has to draw ENOUGH capacity away from AM/FM to make it unprofitable. THAT is a much, much harder thing to pinpoint, but logically it could (and probably will) come much sooner. Especially given how poorly the profit margins are on radio already. The trick, of course, is that certain subsets of the AM/FM radio industry will become unprofitable before others...so you won't see a day when suddenly everyone's just turning their transmitters off because it's not worth the electricity. But you (likely) will see AM stations starting to disappear (a la Canada). And you'll see certain formats on FM disappear. And then you'll probably see a faster decline in commercial radio than in public radio, since public radio's non-profit mission is more resilient and also their product is, generally speaking, more popular amongst listeners. Although there are many factors that could flipflop that analysis, too. For example, one factor that wireless internet still hasn't come close to approaching AM/FM on is simplicity. With radio, you turn one knob, turn another, and bam - you got content. Apple has worked wonders on simplifying very complex computer-like functions, but it's still nowhere near that simple to get content on an iPhone...much less most other wireless internet devices. But that could totally change. Personally, as someone who has worked both in radio engineering and in cellphone/wireless tower siting, I am not terribly concerned about the iPhone destroying AM/FM as a business anytime in the next 10 years. Most likely not in the next 20, either, and like I said...I wouldn't be concerned too much until well past 20 years, but I don't make guesses that far out. -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com www.friedbagels.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jun 6 12:26:17 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:26:17 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DECFFA9.1010603@server4.gabrielmass.com> Thanks for the observations, Aaron. I remember how quickly state-run shortwave broadcasting has collapsed since the 1980s: electricity prices rose, recessions strained government budgets, the end of the Cold War seemed to reduce the need to communicate (?), and the rise of the Internet made a cheaper transmission medium available in the affluent countries. --RC From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jun 6 16:40:01 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:40:01 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DED3B21.7000706@gmail.com> On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Aaron Read wrote: > Personally, as someone who has worked both in radio engineering and in > cellphone/wireless tower siting, I am not terribly concerned about the > iPhone destroying AM/FM as a business anytime in the next 10 years. > Most likely not in the next 20, either, and like I said...I wouldn't > be concerned too much until well past 20 years, but I don't make > guesses that far out. I was listening to WDEV (96.1 Warren // 550 Waterbury) a couple of weeks ago as central VT was being nailed with 4-5 inches of rain in as many hours and there was massive flooding in Montpelier, Barre area. Well into the early morning hours, the local host stayed on with their local meteorologist, Roger Hill who was in-studio since his home-based office was without power, and they took calls from listeners, put the utilities officials and public safety people up in real time. Up and down the rest of the voice-tracked dial, I heard output that my iPod does just as effectively. Radio, when it does what no other medium can do (including television), defines itself by doing. Not by talking about it. But by actually doing it. Here it comes.... "It's expensive. Sales can't hit the monthly operating income nut to justify the utilization. Nobody else is full service anymore. The meta-narrative does not compute." "Radio is losing listeners as the faithful die off and new fail to join in." That is true. But don't blame the people outside of the radio station for that. "People tune in for music." No, they don't. They tune in for music as presented with other stuff. They can get music without other stuff without even trying today. Is there room for as many successful signals in most markets? I don't think so. And that, again, is due to the negative impact that tossing in the towel on local service with live people in at least peak times or crisis times has had. Radio is suffering from self-inflicted cumulative trauma. But it's not dead. So, there's hope. Bill O'Neill Vermont (formerly Mass.) From francini@mac.com Mon Jun 6 17:33:21 2011 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:33:21 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I.) In-Reply-To: <4DED3B21.7000706@gmail.com> References: <4DED3B21.7000706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66C89A61-CAAB-4AF3-B502-F89DCB8D47E8@mac.com> Maybe it's time for the FCC to start enforcing that little bit in their charter about "stations operating in the public interest"? WDEV's rather selfless behavior should be the norm, not the exception. WBZ-AM did a good job keeping on top of things last week during the heavy thunderstorms and tornadoes in western Mass. Voice-tracked pre-recorded complete shows are not in the public interest. Especially during major storms. john On 6 Jun 2011, at 16:40, Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) wrote: > On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Aaron Read wrote: >> Personally, as someone who has worked both in radio engineering and in >> cellphone/wireless tower siting, I am not terribly concerned about the >> iPhone destroying AM/FM as a business anytime in the next 10 years. >> Most likely not in the next 20, either, and like I said...I wouldn't >> be concerned too much until well past 20 years, but I don't make >> guesses that far out. > I was listening to WDEV (96.1 Warren // 550 Waterbury) a couple of weeks ago as central VT was being nailed with 4-5 inches of rain in as many hours and there was massive flooding in Montpelier, Barre area. Well into the early morning hours, the local host stayed on with their local meteorologist, Roger Hill who was in-studio since his home-based office was without power, and they took calls from listeners, put the utilities officials and public safety people up in real time. Up and down the rest of the voice-tracked dial, I heard output that my iPod does just as effectively. Radio, when it does what no other medium can do (including television), defines itself by doing. Not by talking about it. But by actually doing it. > > Here it comes.... "It's expensive. Sales can't hit the monthly operating income nut to justify the utilization. Nobody else is full service anymore. The meta-narrative does not compute." > > "Radio is losing listeners as the faithful die off and new fail to join in." That is true. But don't blame the people outside of the radio station for that. > > "People tune in for music." No, they don't. They tune in for music as presented with other stuff. They can get music without other stuff without even trying today. > > Is there room for as many successful signals in most markets? I don't think so. And that, again, is due to the negative impact that tossing in the towel on local service with live people in at least peak times or crisis times has had. > > Radio is suffering from self-inflicted cumulative trauma. But it's not dead. So, there's hope. > > Bill O'Neill > Vermont (formerly Mass.) > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 6 18:15:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:15:29 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7 in R.I.) Message-ID: <538491298-1307398532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-510960397-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> The lack of uproar over WILD going to a outlet of the China government tells me the community of Roxbury/Mattapan now just depends on the major pirates. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Jun 6 23:17:52 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in Message-ID: <3cf03.7243c6b3.3b1ef260@aol.com> So, who is making money streaming today? Why does it look like a winner in the future? Streaming is a hobby at best today and with an unlimited number of possible outlets your station will get lost. Mike In a message dated 6/4/2011 8:30:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>The same way they do now. (There are already 12,000 radio stations in the U.S.) They will make money by appealing to a particular audience that is willing to pay for the content, or is sufficiently desirable to advertisers. Or they will lose money, and either go out of business, or be supported by charity.<<< From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 7 00:10:43 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:10:43 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in In-Reply-To: <3cf03.7243c6b3.3b1ef260@aol.com> References: <3cf03.7243c6b3.3b1ef260@aol.com> Message-ID: <19949.42179.596571.186287@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < So, who is making money streaming today? Why does it look like a winner in > the future? Streaming is a hobby at best today and with an unlimited > number of possible outlets your station will get lost. Sirius XM appears to be "making money streaming today" -- of course, most of their costs and most of their revenues are related to the satellite delivery channel and not streaming. I believe MLB and other professional sports leagues are making money from streaming. There is an unlimited number of possible newspapers, yet for some reason the Globe and the Herald don't "get lost". Indeed, most markets have but a single newspaper of any consequence. The cellular industry thinks there's a possible revenue source in streaming, which is one reason they are so strongly opposed to enabling the FM tuners that come in the handsets they sell -- and they certainly have some incentive both to make streaming radio succeed and to limit the number of channels that will be available to the typical consumer. (The problem is the use of a unicast model for streaming, but I expect that they are already installing proxies in MTSOs that could fix that given some sort of agreement with content providers.) There is nothing magical about "streaming"; it's not a different medium, just a different delivery technology. Whether the programming succeeds will depend -- just as traditional broadcasting does -- to a large part on luck and, just as importantly, on having programming that people actually care to listen to, that they can't get from any other source. That's why network exclusivity developed in the 1930s, personality DJs in the 1950s, and personality talk hosts in the 1980s and 1990s. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 7 00:22:54 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 04:22:54 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7 in In-Reply-To: <19949.42179.596571.186287@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3cf03.7243c6b3.3b1ef260@aol.com><19949.42179.596571.186287@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <300744694-1307420576-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-271142954-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> I can assure you MLB is doing quite nicely They have every platform covered. -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:10:43 To: Cc: Subject: Re:Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in < So, who is making money streaming today? Why does it look like a winner in > the future? Streaming is a hobby at best today and with an unlimited > number of possible outlets your station will get lost. Sirius XM appears to be "making money streaming today" -- of course, most of their costs and most of their revenues are related to the satellite delivery channel and not streaming. I believe MLB and other professional sports leagues are making money from streaming. There is an unlimited number of possible newspapers, yet for some reason the Globe and the Herald don't "get lost". Indeed, most markets have but a single newspaper of any consequence. The cellular industry thinks there's a possible revenue source in streaming, which is one reason they are so strongly opposed to enabling the FM tuners that come in the handsets they sell -- and they certainly have some incentive both to make streaming radio succeed and to limit the number of channels that will be available to the typical consumer. (The problem is the use of a unicast model for streaming, but I expect that they are already installing proxies in MTSOs that could fix that given some sort of agreement with content providers.) There is nothing magical about "streaming"; it's not a different medium, just a different delivery technology. Whether the programming succeeds will depend -- just as traditional broadcasting does -- to a large part on luck and, just as importantly, on having programming that people actually care to listen to, that they can't get from any other source. That's why network exclusivity developed in the 1930s, personality DJs in the 1950s, and personality talk hosts in the 1980s and 1990s. -GAWollman From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jun 7 10:34:56 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me Message-ID: ?A Springfield resident tells the Boston Globe she never heard any tornado warnings, just a Boston talk show, on her local Clear Channel talk station. When she called to complain, she found nobody home: "I heard no sirens. Cellphones went dead. The emergency alert system came on, but the announcements were so garbled we could only make out a few of the words. When we got to our basement, I tuned in the only Springfield radio station with reception, a Clear Channel station, and it was airing a talk show from Boston. It was a Springfield caller to that show who informed us the tornado was headed directly toward us. The response of the talk show host was, ?There?s a tornado in Springfield??? People I have talked to who were in downtown Springfield got no warning. Most disturbing, when I called that radio station the next day to ask why they continued to air a Boston talk show, I couldn?t reach a human being. It is just dumb luck that there was so little loss of life. For the future, sirens would be a good idea. The emergency alert system should be improved so that the announcements can be understood. And local radio stations, so many of which are owned by huge national chains, should have staff on site who can react when emergencies strike. Barbara Johnson, Springfield" From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jun 7 12:29:59 2011 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:29:59 -0400 Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Mark Laurence wrote: > A Springfield resident tells the Boston Globe she never heard any tornado warnings, just a Boston talk show, on her local Clear Channel talk station. I called a friend that day who lives in West Springfield. My cell phone call reached his voice mail and I left him a message asking if he was OK. He did call me back in a few minutes, wondering why he was stuck in traffic on US 5 near the Memorial Bridge. He had been listening to the Yankees game on WHLL Springfield (former WMAS) and had no idea about what had just happened blocks from his house and about a mile from where he was. Wasn't _anyone_ on duty at WHLL/WMAS-FM (owned by Citadel) to break in with some information about a tornado that passed within blocks of the studio? Paul From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jun 7 14:10:42 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:10:42 -0400 Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> References: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> Message-ID: Supposedly WHYN, that Clear Channel station running a Boston show (Howie Carr) did go to local coverage when the tornadoes hit, but yes it may have taken them some time to "go local". Howie did a remote from WHYN last Friday and it was mentioned they dumped out of his show to do local coverage but I'm not sure when. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 7 12:53:12 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:53:12 -0400 Subject: Radio Farm Programs Message-ID: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> There has been a thread on the New York Broadcasting History board for the past couple of days that in part has dealt with an early morning farm report that used to be on WABC during its Top 40 heyday. It was an anomaly as far as the station's format was concerned, but one respondent said that such programs were required of all radio stations years ago, no matter how far they were from agricultural areas. I remember when WBZ used to have a half-hour farm report very early on Sunday mornings (5:30 to 6, I think). I believe it was hosted by a fellow named Guy Ferris (or Farris). The theme tune for the program was Sir Percy Grainger's "In An English Country Garden." If I'm not mistaken, this show lasted into the 1990s. What became of it and of its host? How many other such programs do BRI folks remember? -Doug From francini@mac.com Tue Jun 7 15:29:19 2011 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:29:19 -0400 Subject: Radio Farm Programs In-Reply-To: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <7E05A786-396D-4CB8-8353-E7A21A6C7378@mac.com> A farm report also aired on WBZ as late as the late 70s during the final 15 minutes or so of Larry Glick's show. He'd play a German oompa band march as a bed under it. I found an aircheck of it on the Internet a few months ago -- brought back lots of memories of being a Glick-nick... John On 7 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Doug Drown wrote: > There has been a thread on the New York Broadcasting History board for the past couple of days that in part has dealt with an early morning farm report that used to be on WABC during its Top 40 heyday. It was an anomaly as far as the station's format was concerned, but one respondent said that such programs were required of all radio stations years ago, no matter how far they were from agricultural areas. > > I remember when WBZ used to have a half-hour farm report very early on Sunday mornings (5:30 to 6, I think). I believe it was hosted by a fellow named Guy Ferris (or Farris). The theme tune for the program was Sir Percy Grainger's "In An English Country Garden." If I'm not mistaken, this show lasted into the 1990s. What became of it and of its host? > > How many other such programs do BRI folks remember? > > -Doug > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 7 16:11:31 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:11:31 -0400 Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19950.34291.268243.517286@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > ???A Springfield resident tells the Boston Globe she never heard > any tornado warnings, just a Boston talk show, on her local Clear > Channel talk station. When she called to complain, she found > nobody home: Remember the rules: postings on this list are to be in your own words. Do not cut and paste someone else's copyrighted work, particularly if you're not even going to attribute it. -GAWollman From irw@well.com Tue Jun 7 15:50:26 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> References: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> Message-ID: <4376.149.164.63.143.1307476226.squirrel@webmail.well.com> Paul Anderson wrote: > Wasn't _anyone_ on duty at WHLL/WMAS-FM (owned by Citadel) to break in > with some information about a tornado that passed within blocks of the > studio? The cynical side of me says "People are expensive. The people in the C-level seats don't like expensive." (Even weekenders at minimum wage are expensive, given the alternative of zero coverage.) If my statements are accurate, well then, that's just sprinkles on the sundae. - Blaine From francini@mac.com Tue Jun 7 17:10:56 2011 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:10:56 -0400 Subject: Radio Farm Programs In-Reply-To: <7E05A786-396D-4CB8-8353-E7A21A6C7378@mac.com> References: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <7E05A786-396D-4CB8-8353-E7A21A6C7378@mac.com> Message-ID: <2346A8D9-8273-44AA-9515-8EB4A38F93F5@mac.com> I found an Internet copy of the Larry Glick aircheck I mentioned that includes a Farm and Market report. This is from August 31st, 1977. The report is 16 minutes into the aircheck. http://larryglick.podomatic.com/entry/2010-05-16T07_12_09-07_00/ john > > On 7 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Doug Drown wrote: > >> There has been a thread on the New York Broadcasting History board for the past couple of days that in part has dealt with an early morning farm report that used to be on WABC during its Top 40 heyday. It was an anomaly as far as the station's format was concerned, but one respondent said that such programs were required of all radio stations years ago, no matter how far they were from agricultural areas. >> >> I remember when WBZ used to have a half-hour farm report very early on Sunday mornings (5:30 to 6, I think). I believe it was hosted by a fellow named Guy Ferris (or Farris). The theme tune for the program was Sir Percy Grainger's "In An English Country Garden." If I'm not mistaken, this show lasted into the 1990s. What became of it and of its host? >> >> How many other such programs do BRI folks remember? >> >> -Doug >> >> > > From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jun 7 17:24:37 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: <19950.34291.268243.517286@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <2ec70f52-d3ed-4dee-adaf-df593fbf527b@me.com> At the risk of sounding like Rep. Weiner, my e-mail program sent this post a little before I was ready. I did want to add the fact that this was a letter to the editor, and trim the quote. I do like to follow the list rules.? But it was properly attributed, with quotation marks around the woman's words, the fact that she told this to the Boston Globe, and her name at the bottom of her statement. Her words are important to consider for broadcasters who serve up so many hours of automated programs from distant sources, to listeners who expect there's some kind of local presence keeping watch at the station. Mark On Jun 07, 2011, at 04:11 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > ???A Springfield resident tells the Boston Globe she never heard > > any tornado warnings, just a Boston talk show, on her local Clear > > Channel talk station. When she called to complain, she found > > nobody home: > > Remember the rules: postings on this list are to be in your own > words. Do not cut and paste someone else's copyrighted work, > particularly if you're not even going to attribute it. > > -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 7 18:02:44 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:02:44 -0400 Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me References: <19950.34291.268243.517286@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: How can our Moderator be sure that what he quoted from the posting was even a direct quote from the Globe? If the quoted material is a violation of the list rules, then please tell us how the material could have been rephrased so it would not have been a violation. Absent that guidance, I have to say the material our Moderator quoted sounds to me like fair use. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Mark Laurence" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me > < said: > >> ???A Springfield resident tells the Boston Globe she never heard >> any tornado warnings, just a Boston talk show, on her local Clear >> Channel talk station. When she called to complain, she found >> nobody home: > > Remember the rules: postings on this list are to be in your own > words. Do not cut and paste someone else's copyrighted work, > particularly if you're not even going to attribute it. > > -GAWollman > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jun 8 11:34:04 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. Message-ID: How well would Sirius and MLB do if they didn't stream? How many people that run from one to a dozen internet radio stations from home will ever see a dime? As for the Globe and the Herald, what could it cost them to put their content on-line? They are also newspapers in a major city so why wouldn't people check it out for free? Newspapers aren't doing that well either. Why wait for news in a newspaper when it always available? The cellular industry could be a source of revenue but how would one "Oldies Station" differentiate itself from another? I listen online to oldies when I am in my office and the only way to really see what you like is to listen to each one. Not too bad for a radio dial but a real pain when there are forty or fifty to choose from and they play pretty much the same music. No there is nothing magic about streaming but until someone finds a real use for it I don't see it really going anywhere as a money-maker. Perhaps the problem is that most internet radio stations use the same format or style that the OTA stations use. The OTA stations aren't doing as well as they used to so why would you copy one? This seems to happen with anything that is relatively new. Take something old and try to apply it to something new. For some reason ATSC comes to mind. It happened with the transition to DTV also. The "lab" station at WRC (WHD) in DC was the same way. When the transition took place what the stations had was entirely different from what was at WHD. I never could understand who would pay 110K for a tape machine anyway. Radio and Newspapers were the only game in town in the 30's. Then came TV and there were three. There were once three commercial TV networks. It is too bad but I feel, when the older radio listeners are gone, radio will be gone. To me it doesn't matter if it is in five, ten, or twenty years it will be gasping for breath long before it ends. Mike In a message dated 6/7/2011 11:01:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>Sirius XM appears to be "making money streaming today" -- of course, most of their costs and most of their revenues are related to the satellite delivery channel and not streaming. I believe MLB and other professional sports leagues are making money from streaming. There is an unlimited number of possible newspapers, yet for some reason the Globe and the Herald don't "get lost". Indeed, most markets have but a single newspaper of any consequence. The cellular industry thinks there's a possible revenue source in streaming, which is one reason they are so strongly opposed to enabling the FM tuners that come in the handsets they sell -- and they certainly have some incentive both to make streaming radio succeed and to limit the number of channels that will be available to the typical consumer. (The problem is the use of a unicast model for streaming, but I expect that they are already installing proxies in MTSOs that could fix that given some sort of agreement with content providers.) There is nothing magical about "streaming"; it's not a different medium, just a different delivery technology. Whether the programming succeeds will depend -- just as traditional broadcasting does -- to a large part on luck and, just as importantly, on having programming that people actually care to listen to, that they can't get from any other source. That's why network exclusivity developed in the 1930s, personality DJs in the 1950s, and personality talk hosts in the 1980s and 1990s.<< From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jun 8 12:37:06 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:37:06 +0000 Subject: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in R.I. Message-ID: <20110608163706.56570@gmx.com> WJMF's deal puts a WCRB simulcast on its main signal and what they had been running goes onto HD-2, webstream, smart phone application, etc. Something similar is going on in Pittsburgh, where fans of jazz music are not happy about the sale of WDUQ to Essential Public Media. Because they want to run a lot of news on WDUQ, the jazz is being moved to an HD-2, a webstream, and a smartphone app. Right now, WDUQ runs over 100 hours of jazz per week. This will be reduced to a 6 hour Saturday night block. A group has been formed to oppose this, though they acknowledge it's a longshot and the FCC says they are not in the format regulation business. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/ae/music/s_740857.html Here, the group supporting jazz on the radio is hoping the FCC can delay the sale so they can try to convince the "pending buyer" that they shouldn't cut it down to just 6 hours. At the very least they hope WDUQ can run 42 hours of jazz per week. Anyway, a similar situation, where a long-running format may be relegated to HD-2/webstream, etc. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jun 8 12:41:39 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:41:39 -0400 Subject: Radio Farm Programs References: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <24CEB509273E4E97BD8BC8B3F05F0ED7@YOURbcbbe822ed> Doug: It was Guy Parris. A good guy. I found this from 2002. Interesting stuff. http://lists.bostonradio.org/bri/v05/msg05312.html You left out the Guy Parris agriculture-farm report, at I believe, 5:55 a.m. It was the last remnant on WBZ of the really old-fashioned notion of the Class I / nowadays Class A stations providing programming to serve the rural boondocks. Gave you all the egg prices at the Boston market. Good stuff. Browns were worth more than whites -- it's a Boston thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Radio Farm Programs > There has been a thread on the New York Broadcasting History board for the > past couple of days that in part has dealt with an early morning farm > report that used to be on WABC during its Top 40 heyday. It was an > anomaly as far as the station's format was concerned, but one respondent > said that such programs were required of all radio stations years ago, no > matter how far they were from agricultural areas. > > I remember when WBZ used to have a half-hour farm report very early on > Sunday mornings (5:30 to 6, I think). I believe it was hosted by a fellow > named Guy Ferris (or Farris). The theme tune for the program was Sir > Percy Grainger's "In An English Country Garden." If I'm not mistaken, > this show lasted into the 1990s. What became of it and of its host? > > How many other such programs do BRI folks remember? > > -Doug > > > > From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Jun 8 11:17:07 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:17:07 -0400 Subject: Radio Farm Programs In-Reply-To: <2346A8D9-8273-44AA-9515-8EB4A38F93F5@mac.com> References: <20110607125312.n05bmeg084ok8c8c@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <7E05A786-396D-4CB8-8353-E7A21A6C7378@mac.com> <2346A8D9-8273-44AA-9515-8EB4A38F93F5@mac.com> Message-ID: ISTR WRKO airing one from 5-6am Mondays only (they signed off Sunday overnights at the time) in the early 70s. Dale Dorman would make funny comments about following the farm show. Don't think it lasted very long. From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Jun 8 14:49:17 2011 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:49:17 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88.7 in Message-ID: Porn. Lots and lots of porn. ;-) -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com www.friedbagels.com (617) 504-5124 cell So, who is making money streaming today? Why does it look like a winner in the future? Mike From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jun 8 16:26:16 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:26:16 -0400 Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh Message-ID: <4DEFDAE8.50805@gmail.com> Passing this along from WCAP PD Ryan Johnston: "This Friday is WCAP's 60th anniversary. We're going to be doing some remembrances of the past, and I wanted to invite you to call in and join us at some point during the morning or midday shows. If you keep in touch with any former 'CAP-ers, let's get in touch with them as well. Thanks." I'm slotted to dial-in sometime after 7:30 or 8 a.m. Fridee mawnin' to take a stroll down memory lane . Bill O'Neill From map@mapinternet.com Wed Jun 8 16:23:09 2011 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:23:09 -0400 Subject: Springfield Tornado & Media report In-Reply-To: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> References: <5A6AA0EE-00D0-415A-86DE-E7F305EFE0AB@charter.net> Message-ID: <03F529F024634FB1A903270FBFE946C9@CASEYPC> The tornado cut a swath west to east, about 40 miles. Most of the real destruction was about 1/4 to 1/2 mile wide, but there was an area of lesser damage -- treees down, etc--that I've seen, of over a mile wide in places. It damaged several homes on the north side of our town (Hampden), and many more in Wilbraham and Monson nearby. All afternoon, I was at work, listening to WDRC-FM here in Hampden, near the state line. I heard the Hampden police on the scanner, say they sighted a funnel cloud out near Springfield when they were up a the hill looking that way. That's what tipped me off. Around 5pm, after the tornado was passing 2-3 miles north of here. We could see the swirling dark clouds going by. After it the clouds went east from here, I checked WHYN AM and it was still running Howie Carr. Then around 5:25, the power went out (All of Hampden/Wilbraham/Monson/E.Longmeadow was out of power for at least 31 hrs) and we didn't tune in to radio til after 7pm and by then, WHYN had the morning host and their only newsman (for 4 stations) on with a callin and tornado info program. Clear Channel, while claiming WHYN as the News and Informatiuon leader, is far from a real news and information operation. Except for mornings before 9am, they appear to be a mostly hands off, let the computer run the station operation. My hat's off to the WHYN morning crew, news chief (of a 1 man operations) and on-air and engineering employees of WHYN-AM-FM & WRNX and WPKX that came in to do tornado coverage and to keep the 4 stations on the air--they were great. But the station owners get the full-of-baloney award for their claims and then lack of performance. I went around the dial and heard music or commercials on most of the other stations. The TV stations--22, spfld 3, 40-- had much better coverage that started earlier than radio. But not many folks had TV with all the power out in affected and nearby areas. Ch. 22 was good and the new (Springfield) Ch. 3 was good, considering the small size of their operation. Probably, many of you have seen some of the tornado video from this area. The segment with the tornado in the Connecticut River, and the river water swirling and sucking up into the air, with the tornado crossing the Memorial Bridge is a particularly vivid video. One real problem is that, the powers that be, separated the Springfield and Hartford Radio/TV markets. Springfield is 26 miles from Hartford, center city to center city. It's like Lowell/Lawrence or Framingham/Natick having completely separate Radio/TV markets from Boston. It just doesn't and for the ex; would not serve the public well.(Yet, a city like Worcester, being 45 miles away from Boston, may have actually benefited from separate market designation) Years ago there was much cross-coverage, but that has really declined. Most of the Hartford stations are *still* local coverage in Springfield, and vice versa, so Springfield listeners may or may not be aware of which market their station is in. I'm guilty of listening to WDRC-FM most of the time and heard no tornado warning there. I've got to think that years ago we would have heard a Springfield warning on 'DRC. On top of that, the Bradley Field NWS office was shut down years ago. From their records that I've seen, They sent out a tornado warning around 1:30pm. I did not see a record of NWS of them actually reporting a tornado in progress. Maybe someone of the list has information if their was actually such a report. I had (the typical) trouble with reception on Ch. 22 and Ch. 40. Ch 3, Springfield's digital signal comes from the mother station--Ch 3 in Hartford. And. its' a better signal; than any of the Springfield stations here in Hampden. Unlike flat areas of the country, the new digital TV works poorly in hilly areas like New England. They really need to give the digital stations more power--an ongoing debate that's had the FCC make some, but not nearly enough, power changes since digital inception. Note to the FCC: You've probably already heard this many times and made some adjustments of the power limits, but 15K watts on Ch 11 does not equal 1000K on Channel 20 or 30. Many, many folks in Western Mass in hilly areas outside of Springfield or Holyoke have lost their TV reception since digital changeover. There's about a 40-50 mile wide swath between Springfield and Boston where TV reception for the average non-technical TV viewer is almost impossible. Get with it and let the stations increase their power. Yes, they might interfere with each other a little bit more in a few places, but the net result will be many more citizens served. The obvious problem is still evident when most of the area is out of power--Many folks have a battery operated AM-FM radio, but very few folks have a battery operated digital TV-(yet). (Well, I have one, but I had not charged the battery for 6 months. It still worked for 2 hours!) Small, battery operated digital TV's are starting to become more available, so it might be a good time to get one now that prices have gone down to $50-$100. Still, a digital battery operated TV will not likely work for more than 2-3 hours on its' rechargeable battery, and, I haven't seen a unit that takes regular (ex: C or D) batteries. So, radio is really the only choice for emergencies lasting more than a couple of hours. Boston area listeners are lucky to have WBZ AM. They had excellent coverage, sending at least 2 reporters out here. WBZ's continuing coverage was much bettwe than WHYN which, fairly soon, went back to the Beck-Rush-Savage propaganda. (Not intending to target the R-winger, as the Left wingers have an ewqual amount of propaganda) The Hartford TV stations (3-30-61) did a good job, considering they are "out of market". Even New York's WCBS AM 880 had a reporter in Springfield. (WCBS AM and WBZ AM have, all things considered, about equal daytime signal strength in Springfield--WCBS is better at night--that's been the case since 1962, when WBZA shut off) The bottom line is that, when this type of emergency happens, Power is out, Internet and Cable TV are going to be out, and over the air TV will probably never be the best way to get much emergency coverage to almost all those affected, . Over the air RADIO is the only medium that CAN reliably do the job in an emergency, but, needs to do a lot better job than it did in Western Mass. last week. It would not be a bad idea for WBZ to similcast on one of the AM's here in Springfield. They have the proper news organization to respond to an emergency. They might be able to buy one for a low price and add to their audience, even sell a few commercials. Mark Casey, K1MAP, Hampden, MA From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 20:49:33 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552779.56255.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > From: Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Re: Springfield listener: Radio never warned me > To: "Garrett Wollman" , "Mark Laurence" > Cc: bri@bostonradio.org > Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:02 PM > How can our Moderator be sure that > what he quoted from the posting was > even a direct quote from the Globe? If the quoted material > is a > violation of the list rules, then please tell us how the > material > could have been rephrased so it would not have been a > violation. > Absent that guidance, I have to say the material our > Moderator quoted > sounds to me like fair use. > I' m voting with Dan on this issue. It looks like a paraphrase to me. I forget if the original post that the mopderator disliked included a url to go to the Globe for the full story. That's always a good idea. But I'm thinking the ref has an awfully quick whistle here. :) From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 9 00:12:27 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 00:12:27 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19952.18475.54595.666725@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < How well would Sirius and MLB do if they didn't stream? Pretty well, thank you very much. Streaming is nearly pure revenue as far as they are concerned. > How many people that run from one to a dozen internet radio stations > from home will ever see a dime? How many people that run from one to a dozen Internet radio stations from home will ever see a listener who isn't a friend or relative? > As for the Globe and the Herald, what could it cost them to put > their content on-line? A good deal, but far less than it costs them to put it in print. Distribution costs, however, are only a part of the cost of publishing a newspaper -- and they are in a real bind right now because most of their readership is online but most of their revenue is still in print advertising. If you fairly allocated costs of content *creation* on the basis of aggregate readership, print would make money (still) and online would lose money. (But print without online would lose money!) > The cellular industry could be a source of revenue No, the cellular industry will be a source of *cost*, not revenue. The cellular industry is interested in selling improved listening quality and reduced bandwidth consumption (relative to unicast streaming). That's why they don't want those FM tuners enabled. > but how would one "Oldies Station" differentiate itself from > another? By providing programming that appeals to a particular audience, whether it be based on connection to a particular community, air personalities, or playlist -- in other words, the same way the successful ones do now. If there is no unique value proposition in the content, there is no reason for consumers to prefer one source over another -- and in particular, there is no reason for them to prefer to rent content, by listening to advertising or paying subscription fees, when they can spend less and buy a copy for themselves. That business model is, if not finished, clearly on its last legs. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 7 13:58:19 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:58:19 +0000 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7 in R.I.) Message-ID: <20110607175819.7580@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 06/06/11 06:15 PM >To: John Francini, boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org, Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) >Subject: Re: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on88.7 in R.I.) >The lack of uproar over WILD going to a outlet of the China government tells me the community of Roxbury/Mattapan now just depends on the major pirates. The media writer for the Boston Globe is Johnny Diaz and the media writer for the Herald is Jessica Heslam. I emailed both of them when the format change occurred. I've emailed Diaz before and he has replied to me, but he didn't this time. Heslam hasn't replied to my emails before and didn't this time. If they received and read these contacts, then they know about it, and MAY comment in the future. Apparently, the fate of a daytime AM radio station is not high on their to-do lists. I rarely look at the Boston Phoenix's website; I wouldn't be surprised to see some reaction there. I don't know if they even have media writer now. The last person to hold the job, Adam Reilly, decamped for WGBH-TV & Radio months ago. From madprofrfs@gmail.com Tue Jun 7 13:41:45 2011 From: madprofrfs@gmail.com (Robert Sutherland) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:41:45 -0400 Subject: WJMF CP: Antenna Seems VERY Directional Message-ID: I checked Bryant University's site, & they have a 6-02-11 article which hypes the WJMF - WGBH relationship. URL: http://blogs.bryant.edu/newsroom/?p=860 Perhaps they got an extension on the cp? The existing tower at new coords, using Discover Life - Global Mapper make map" (enter ddmmss) URL: http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20m?act=make_map plotted at photo 1m scale, looks like a single tower, detail too poor to see any cell elements? Bob From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:59:34 2011 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:59:34 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? In-Reply-To: <19952.18475.54595.666725@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: , <19952.18475.54595.666725@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 00:12:27 -0400 > From: wollman@bimajority.org > To: TVNETDUDE@aol.com > Subject: Re:Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. > CC: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > < > > > How many people that run from one to a dozen internet radio stations > > from home will ever see a dime? and Mr. Wollman replied: > > How many people that run from one to a dozen Internet radio stations > from home will ever see a listener who isn't a friend or relative? I have more than several (mostly younger) friends who listen to various Internet radio stations - none of which are run by relatives, and perhaps only a few run by friends. Quite a few of these stations are not on U.S. soil. No offense, but perhaps it's a generational thing. TVNETDUDE@aol.com said later: > > > The cellular industry could be a source of revenue To which wollman@bimajority.org replied: > No, the cellular industry will be a source of *cost*, not revenue. > The cellular industry is interested in selling improved listening > quality and reduced bandwidth consumption (relative to unicast > streaming). That's why they don't want those FM tuners enabled. Might I suggest that the cellular industry has other items on their plate, as this article from today's WSJ suggests: Carriers Sweat as Texting Cools Off. Seems more and more "stuff" is going Internet. Mike From dav2149@comcast.net Thu Jun 9 11:42:01 2011 From: dav2149@comcast.net (dw) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:42:01 -0400 Subject: WASR salute to WMEX? Message-ID: When I was listening to WASR 1420 Wolfeboro, NH on the internet this morning, I thought I heard mention that this weekend is their salute to WMEX. When I checked their website (WASR.net) I see notice at the top of the homepage "New - Weekend Oldies on WASR." David Wilson From sonnyradio@gmail.com Thu Jun 9 15:09:01 2011 From: sonnyradio@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:09:01 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Message-ID: In several previous posts it has been alleged (although I believe very well documented) that radio coverage of the tornadoes on Springfield radio was seriously lacking. No local coverage or warnings broadcast...running "out of town" programming during the disaster, and no human to contact at the station. Isn't it obvious that this is just another case of "the bottom line" being priority one, rather than service to the public? Maybe this incident will educate and wake up the public. I can't think of any way to fix this problem other than having *MORE* government control - stronger enforcement of whatever FCC "local service" rules exist - or create STRONGER rules, rather than letting only the profit motive control the radio stations. Remember, we're talking about the *PUBLIC* *AIR WAVES*! Why are stations allowed to be run to make profits (using automation, the cheapest programming they can find, etc.) with *little* regard for the service to the community? -Sonny From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Jun 9 16:28:31 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. Message-ID: <1c58e.61d18dc0.3b2286ef@aol.com> >>Pretty well, thank you very much. Streaming is nearly pure revenue as far as they are concerned.<< Well that was my point. It's just "cigarette money" to them. How well do you think they would do if they had to rely solely on streaming with the same staff and costs they have now? >>How many people that run from one to a dozen Internet radio stations from home will ever see a listener who isn't a friend or relative?<<< How would you know what is actually on unless you listen to them? What is the difference between Solid Gold 105, Greatest Gold, The Best Moldy Oldies Ever, etc...? >>>A good deal, but far less than it costs them to put it in print. Distribution costs, however, are only a part of the cost of publishing a newspaper -- and they are in a real bind right now because most of their readership is online but most of their revenue is still in print advertising. If you fairly allocated costs of content *creation* on the basis of aggregate readership, print would make money (still) and online would lose money. (But print without online would lose money!)<<< Why would it cost a great deal to move their content to online distribution? The print writers already created it and it is already in digital form. >>>No, the cellular industry will be a source of *cost*, not revenue. The cellular industry is interested in selling improved listening quality and reduced bandwidth consumption (relative to unicast streaming). That's why they don't want those FM tuners enabled.<<< I meant for the radio station not the cellular companies. They need all of the bandwidth they can get these days. Do cellular providers care whether or not they oversell their newfangled bandwidth hog to consumers when they know their cell towers will be overwhelmed? Although it would help radio stations, and if someone could come up with a new model that would bring people to listen online to internet only radio stations, why should cellular companies pick up the tab for it when they aren't making any money by providing it? Cell companies are there to make a buck and not do the alleged "Public Service" thing broadcasters are supposed to do. Kind of reminds me of carriage fees for local TV stations. You pay me to carry my programming and I will sell commercials on top of it. This model I think will change with the NBCU and Comcast deal and if the FCC gets it's wish to absorb OTA's BW. Is their a technical reason that TV networks can't simply provide their programming directly to a satellite company or cable company or FIOS? The local cable provider becomes the affiliate and they don't have to pay carriage fees to local affiliates. >>>>By providing programming that appeals to a particular audience, whether it be based on connection to a particular community, air personalities, or playlist -- in other words, the same way the successful ones do now. If there is no unique value proposition in the content, there is no reason for consumers to prefer one source over another -- and in particular, there is no reason for them to prefer to rent content, by listening to advertising or paying subscription fees, when they can spend less and buy a copy for themselves. That business model is, if not finished, clearly on its last legs.<<<< Exactly, most internet radio today is "here listen to my iPod (with jingles)" Mike In a message dated 6/8/2011 11:12:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: < How well would Sirius and MLB do if they didn't stream? Pretty well, thank you very much. Streaming is nearly pure revenue as far as they are concerned. > How many people that run from one to a dozen internet radio stations > from home will ever see a dime? How many people that run from one to a dozen Internet radio stations from home will ever see a listener who isn't a friend or relative? > As for the Globe and the Herald, what could it cost them to put > their content on-line? A good deal, but far less than it costs them to put it in print. Distribution costs, however, are only a part of the cost of publishing a newspaper -- and they are in a real bind right now because most of their readership is online but most of their revenue is still in print advertising. If you fairly allocated costs of content *creation* on the basis of aggregate readership, print would make money (still) and online would lose money. (But print without online would lose money!) > The cellular industry could be a source of revenue No, the cellular industry will be a source of *cost*, not revenue. The cellular industry is interested in selling improved listening quality and reduced bandwidth consumption (relative to unicast streaming). That's why they don't want those FM tuners enabled. > but how would one "Oldies Station" differentiate itself from > another? By providing programming that appeals to a particular audience, whether it be based on connection to a particular community, air personalities, or playlist -- in other words, the same way the successful ones do now. If there is no unique value proposition in the content, there is no reason for consumers to prefer one source over another -- and in particular, there is no reason for them to prefer to rent content, by listening to advertising or paying subscription fees, when they can spend less and buy a copy for themselves. That business model is, if not finished, clearly on its last legs. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 9 16:19:58 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:19:58 +0000 Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD Message-ID: <20110609201959.106160@gmx.com> As of Thursday afternoon, 06/09, neither the Boston Globe nor the Boston Herald has seen fit to take note of the change in format at WILD-AM 1090. However, one print & internet news organ has published a story about it: the Bay state Banner, a newspaper begun a little over 40 years ago to serve primarily the readership interests of the African-American community in Boston (according to Wikipedia). Several inner-city residents are quoted in the article, and as you can expect, they are unhappy about this development, but no course of action was indicated. Here's the URL for the story: http://www.baystatebanner.com/local14-2011-06-09 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jun 9 16:51:31 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:51:31 -0500 Subject: WASR salute to WMEX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WASR's General Manager and Morning host, Gary James, is the former GM and Morning Host at 106.5 WMEX Farmington/Rochester who continued the station as an online only entity after the FM got sold and it's the internet stream they are rebroadcasting on 1420AM. Paul On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM, dw wrote: > When I was listening to WASR 1420 Wolfeboro, NH on the internet this > morning, I thought I heard mention that this weekend is their salute to > WMEX. When I checked their website (WASR.net) I see notice at the top of the > homepage "New - Weekend Oldies on WASR." > David Wilson > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 9 18:00:27 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:00:27 -0400 Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. In-Reply-To: <1c58e.61d18dc0.3b2286ef@aol.com> References: <1c58e.61d18dc0.3b2286ef@aol.com> Message-ID: <19953.17019.432566.442433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <>> Pretty well, thank you very much. Streaming is nearly pure revenue as > far as they are concerned.<< > Well that was my point. It's just "cigarette money" to them. How well do > you think they would do if they had to rely solely on streaming with the same > staff and costs they have now? I think baseball, being a cartel, would do just fine, thank you very much. Sirius XM makes a lot of money from piggy-back data services on their satellites, which they would not be able to do with streaming; the direct-to-consumer market is still very much necessary for them to be able to make a profit. >>> How many people that run from one to a dozen Internet radio stations > from home will ever see a listener who isn't a friend or relative?<<< > How would you know what is actually on unless you listen to them? What is > the difference between Solid Gold 105, Greatest Gold, The Best Moldy Oldies > Ever, etc...? The same way as you do now: through advertising, through your social network, through unintentional exposure in a public place, etc. > Why would it cost a great deal to move their content to online > distribution? Designing and maintaining a Web site is not free, never mind the costs of services such as bandwidth, Content Delivery Networks, and additional rights fees. > The print writers already created it and it is already in digital form. The print writers only got paid for print. Writers generally expect to get paid more if you find another revenue source from their work. >>>> No, the cellular industry will be a source of *cost*, not revenue. > The cellular industry is interested in selling improved listening > quality and reduced bandwidth consumption (relative to unicast > streaming). That's why they don't want those FM tuners enabled.<<< > I meant for the radio station not the cellular companies. So did I. > stations, and if someone could come up with a new model that would bring > people to listen online to internet only radio stations, why should cellular > companies pick up the tab for it when they aren't making any money by > providing it? The cell companies will make money by charging the content providers for the service -- or, more likely, charging the intermediary Content Distribution Networks who charge the content providers for the service. > Kind of reminds me of carriage fees for local TV stations. You pay me to > carry my programming and I will sell commercials on top of it. This model I > think will change with the NBCU and Comcast deal Retrans consent is statute law -- but as currently structured, they are absolutely free to cause their O&Os to grant them retrans consent at no charge, once they buy the rest of the company from GE. That's not the way most big companies run their businesses -- big companies tend to have fee-for-service internal economies to encourage efficiency -- but because of the legally enforced oligopoly it may be different. (How does Cox do it in Atlanta?) > Is their a technical reason that TV networks can't simply provide > their programming directly to a satellite company or cable company > or FIOS? Of course not; they do that now. You've heard of Bravo, ESPN, Showtime, and Fx, right? -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 18:47:02 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 6/9/11, Sonny Daye wrote: > In several previous posts it has been > alleged (although I believe very well > documented) that radio coverage of the tornadoes on > Springfield radio was > seriously lacking. No local coverage or warnings > broadcast...running "out of > town" programming during the disaster, and no human to > contact at the > station. Isn't it obvious that this is just another case of > "the bottom > line" being priority one, rather than service to the > public? Maybe this > incident will educate and wake up the public. I can't think > of any way to > fix this problem other than having *MORE* government > control - stronger > enforcement of whatever? FCC "local service" rules > exist - or create > STRONGER rules, rather than letting only the profit motive > control the radio > stations. > Remember, we're talking about the *PUBLIC* *AIR WAVES*! Why > are stations > allowed to be run to make profits (using automation, the > cheapest > programming they can find, etc.) with *little* regard for > the service to the > community? > -Sonny Remember that big to-do about Clear Channel in Minot, N.D.? http://faculty.msb.edu/homak/homahelpsite/webhelp/Clear_Channel_-_Single_Voice_in_Minot.htm (I now see that it's more than nine years ago, wow.) There briefly was an uproar, then it was a return to scheduled programming. This won't be much different. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 18:50:32 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. In-Reply-To: <19953.17019.432566.442433@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <867043.61160.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 6/9/11, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The print writers only got paid for print.? Writers > generally expect > to get paid more if you find another revenue source from > their work. For all those who say the Internet is the only future for news-gathering, I'll remind you that for 15 years media outlets have tried to make money off the Internet, and few (if any) have done it. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jun 9 20:02:47 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:02:47 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF15F27.5010306@fybush.com> Piecing together what's been reported on this list, in other media outlets and what I've heard directly from those in the market, it sounds as though WHYN/CC Spfld was not especially quick at getting coverage up and running - hence the complaints of missed warnings and the ongoing simulcast of Howie Carr - but ramped up coverage once the extent of the storm became clearer and stayed with that ramped-up coverage until sometime after 11 PM on as many of the cluster's stations as could be kept on the air. That's far from perfect...but hardly a total dereliction of duty, either. It would be nice to think that some learning opportunities can come from the experience, so that stations with small/nonexistent local staffs outside of drive time (and that's most stations, these days) can better figure out how to cope in situations like this one. It may be that the best answer lies in making more use of TV simulcasts. From all accounts, the Springfield TV stations (especially WWLP, but also WSHM and WGGB) did a bang-up job of warning viewers about the storms and tracking them as they passed through. I understand that one of the other radio clusters in Springfield ended up going to a simulcast of WWLP's audio for a while. There are worse things they could have done, especially if the TV people are aware that they're also on radio and modify their broadcasts accordingly (none of this, "as you can see here on this part of the map..." stuff...) In parts of the country where severe weather is a more regular part of life, station groups seem to get this. The Zimmer Radio cluster in Joplin was surely no larger than CC/Springfield (or Saga, or Citadel), but they seemed to be right on the ball when their community needed them. Consolidation is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, yes, it can lead to situations like WHYN, where there evidently wasn't anyone on hand able to make the decision to go to storm coverage sooner. But on the other hand, it also makes possible a response like we just saw last week in Dickinson, North Dakota, where an FM tower on a butte collapsed after the ground gave way under one of the guy anchors after very heavy rain. Within a few hours, senior CC engineers were on their way to Dickinson to get a makeshift transmission setup on the air, and they were quickly followed by one of Clear Channel's "towers on wheels," those nifty mobile setups that include a generator, a frequency-agile transmitter, a tower and antenna. How many mom-and-pop stations or small groups could ever have assembled one of those...much less several of them, stationed so that there's always one within a day's drive of any station that might need it? s From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 9 19:58:22 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:58:22 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF15E1E.70702@donnahalper.com> And the general manager of the Clear Channel cluster in Springfield (including WHYN) had a letter in the Globe today. He denied the assertion that his stations didn't cover the tornado, and asserted that his stations are mostly live and local. I'm contacting a couple of journalist friends of mine out there to see what their take on it is, but I am well aware of Clear Channel's bad reputation for cutting staff, using voice-tracking, etc. In this case, however, I absolutely have heard live programming on their stations, so I'm not sure what the facts are. Obviously, there is a perception that CC stations don't provide good coverage, but I'm still uncertain as to what they did or did not do in this case. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 9 21:21:58 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <4DF15F27.5010306@fybush.com> References: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF15F27.5010306@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19953.29110.581548.630186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > followed by one of Clear Channel's "towers on wheels," those nifty > mobile setups that include a generator, a frequency-agile transmitter, a > tower and antenna. How many mom-and-pop stations or small groups could > ever have assembled one of those...much less several of them, stationed > so that there's always one within a day's drive of any station that > might need it? Probably none... but Harris certainly could, and any property/casualty insurer could, too. Is there some regulatory barrier that prevented a market for this service from developing? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Jun 9 21:51:30 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:51:30 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <19953.29110.581548.630186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF15F27.5010306@fybush.com> <19953.29110.581548.630186@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4DF178A2.7090604@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> followed by one of Clear Channel's "towers on wheels," those nifty >> mobile setups that include a generator, a frequency-agile transmitter, a >> tower and antenna. How many mom-and-pop stations or small groups could >> ever have assembled one of those...much less several of them, stationed >> so that there's always one within a day's drive of any station that >> might need it? > > Probably none... but Harris certainly could, and any property/casualty > insurer could, too. Is there some regulatory barrier that prevented a > market for this service from developing? None that I know of. I suspect the barriers were purely economical: how many mom-and-pops would have been willing to budget for the big bucks that a Harris or a Nautel might have wanted to provide such a service on short notice? And how many mom-and-pops would have been willing to shell out for the expensive business-interruption insurance that would have been needed to make it worthwhile for an insurance company to build out the emergency gear? Seems to me that it only makes sense if you've got multiple hundreds of stations scattered all over the country, making it likely that the gear will be saving your bacon somewhere in America at any given time. s From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Jun 10 06:33:46 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Phase out over-the-air signals? (was: Re: WCRB to simulcast on 88. Message-ID: <62040.5461e72b.3b234d0a@aol.com> I listen to internet radio during the day while I am in the office. I just don't see them making any money. No offense, LOL, age wise we are in the same ballpark. Mike In a message dated 6/9/2011 8:24:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>have more than several (mostly younger) friends who listen to various Internet radio stations - none of which are run by relatives, and perhaps only a few run by friends. Quite a few of these stations are not on U.S. soil. No offense, but perhaps it's a generational thing.<<< From TK41C@aol.com Fri Jun 10 10:22:44 2011 From: TK41C@aol.com (TK41C@aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:22:44 EDT Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Message-ID: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> It's not just the Mom and Pops that have cut back on local radio news. A few months ago, there was a chemical plant explosion about a mile down the road, so naturally I tuned in to WBZ. It was a Sunday evening about 8 PM, and the talent had prerecorded the news for that evening at the end of her shift, which I estimated at 6 PM. Nothing at all about the story on WBZ through out the evening. Four Boston TV stations showed up, and the story ran on the CBS Radio net news at midnight. WBZ covered the story the next morning. So much for the immediacy of radio news. When working at 1170 Soldiers Field Rd on the TV side in the early 70s, there was a live newscast at 11 PM , 7 days a week. Streeter Stuart often held down that shift. With all the ads that WBZ airs, you would think that they could spring for evening coverage on the weekends. I know, I know, they take their orders from NY; ad revenue is not what it used to be, etc. But think of all the major stories that have happened on weekends. Watergate comes to mind, on a Saturday evening. I heard about it on NBC "Monitor", it was much later that CBS Radio had the story on the air. Tornadoes, chemical plant explosions, inquiring minds want to know- this is serious business. J Ballard W1JHB From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 09:36:20 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD In-Reply-To: <20110609201959.106160@gmx.com> Message-ID: <984261.23627.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Laurence Glavin wrote: > As of Thursday afternoon, 06/09, neither the Boston Globe nor the >Boston Herald has seen fit to take note of the change in format at WILD->AM 1090. However, one print & internet news organ has published a story >about it:the Bay state Banner . . . The Banner says that WILD "was a local, black-owned station from 1973 . . ." Within the context of the article, especially, this suggests that's when it first carried a "black" format -- which is incorrect. That goes back to at least the late '50s or early '60s. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 10 10:53:48 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:53:48 -0400 Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD References: <984261.23627.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70F9BF4DC7394D708ED5EA344A3A740D@SatU205S5044> Didn't the Black ownership and Black format date from the point (60s, I'm pretty sure) when Sheridan bought WILD from Nelson Noble or from the estate of Nelson Noble? I had wondered for a long time whether Noble actually owned WILD or was LMAing it (if that term even existed at the time) from Bartell Family Media, which bought it in, I'd guess, 1957, and then sold it off quite soon afterward. As far as I can now tell, Noble DID own WILD for several years, probably beginning in 1958. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD > --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> As of Thursday afternoon, 06/09, neither the Boston Globe nor the >> >Boston Herald has seen fit to take note of the change in format >> at >> WILD->AM 1090. However, one print & internet news organ has >> published a story >about it:the Bay state Banner . . . > > The Banner says that WILD "was a local, black-owned station from > 1973 . . ." Within the context of the article, especially, this > suggests that's when it first carried a "black" format -- which is > incorrect. That goes back to at least the late '50s or early '60s. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jun 10 11:52:22 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:52:22 +0000 Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD Message-ID: <20110610155222.56590@gmx.com> Thanks; I'll check this out. I did go to the Banner's website shortly after the change but saw nothing. There was indeed nothing in the Herald, and I "spread the news" at least to their website via a comment on Jessica Heslam's Media and Marketing blog. A quick mention of the flip by me in that comment, plus I think I emailed Jessica. A friend of mine has written for the Bay State Banner in the past (he has also appeared as part of the movie panel on the Jordan Rich show), doing movie reviews. ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin Sent: 06/09/11 04:19 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD As of Thursday afternoon, 06/09, neither the Boston Globe nor the Boston Herald has seen fit to take note of the change in format at WILD-AM 1090. However, one print & internet news organ has published a story about it: the Bay state Banner, a newspaper begun a little over 40 years ago to serve primarily the readership interests of the African-American community in Boston (according to Wikipedia). Several inner-city residents are quoted in the article, and as you can expect, they are unhappy about this development, but no course of action was indicated. Here's the URL for the story: http://www.baystatebanner.com/local14-2011-06-09 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Jun 10 11:21:09 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:21:09 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> Message-ID: Maine has two (count 'em --- two) commercial radio stations that I know of that do any significant news coverage at all. One is Saga's WGAN in Portland (ABC); the other is Stephen King's WZON in Bangor (CNN). I guess I could also add WZAN, Saga's other news-and-talk AM in Portland (CBS), but it basically just replicates WGAN's newscasts. All three stations do network news on the hour, followed by live local newscasts. The two Blueberry talkers, WVOM (Bangor) and WVQM (Augusta), do local news in the morning, but it's read by one of the two morning hosts. The rest of the day it's Fox News on the hour --- one minute of it followed by four minutes of commercials. T'ain't like the old days when WVOM was locally owned and won awards for its magnificent, day-in, day-out 24/7 coverage of the 1998 ice storm. I can't speak for Aroostook County radio; I know little of what goes on up there in the field of broadcasting. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) > It's not just the Mom and Pops that have cut back on local radio news. > > A few months ago, there was a chemical plant explosion about a mile down > the road, so naturally I tuned in to WBZ. It was a Sunday evening about 8 > PM, > and the talent had prerecorded the news for that evening at the end of her > shift, which I estimated at 6 PM. Nothing at all about the story on WBZ > through out the evening. > > Four Boston TV stations showed up, and the story ran on the CBS Radio net > news at midnight. WBZ covered the story the next morning. So much for > the > immediacy of radio news. > > When working at 1170 Soldiers Field Rd on the TV side in the early 70s, > there was a > live newscast at 11 PM , 7 days a week. Streeter Stuart often held down > that shift. > > With all the ads that WBZ airs, you would think that they could spring for > evening coverage on the weekends. I know, I know, they take their orders > from NY; ad revenue is not what it used to be, etc. > > But think of all the major stories that have happened on weekends. > Watergate comes to mind, on a Saturday evening. I heard about it on NBC > "Monitor", > it was much later that CBS Radio had the story on the air. > > Tornadoes, chemical plant explosions, inquiring minds want to know- this > is > serious business. > > J Ballard > W1JHB > > > > > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 12:07:39 2011 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WASR salute to WMEX? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <273785.27203.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard WASR ID'ing during the hour last Saturday as WMEXRadio. According to the Rochester Coffee News WMEXRadio is also simulcast on the Saturday on 88.7 91.7FM (5PM to 9PM only). John B From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jun 10 13:11:46 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:11:46 -0400 Subject: Bay State Banner First Newspaper To Comment On WILD In-Reply-To: <984261.23627.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <984261.23627.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF25052.7040000@donnahalper.com> On 6/10/2011 9:36 AM, Martin Waters wrote: > The Banner says that WILD "was a local, black-owned station from 1973 > . . ." Within the context of the article, especially, this suggests > that's when it first carried a "black" format -- which is incorrect. > That goes back to at least the late '50s or early '60s. > Well, it was white-owned till at least the 1960s. It very gradually migrated to black programming, beginning around 1960-61 and increasing as the decade progressed. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 10 18:10:52 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:10:52 -0500 Subject: any intersting tower sites in Vancouver? Message-ID: I don't fly back until late tomorrow night and I was curious if Vancouver has any crazy tower sites like Ontario From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 10 20:13:39 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:13:39 -0400 Subject: any intersting tower sites in Vancouver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF2B333.7040407@fybush.com> On 6/10/2011 6:10 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I don't fly back until late tomorrow night and I was curious if Vancouver > has any crazy tower sites like Ontario Yes and yes! All the AMs are south of town in Richmond and Surrey, mostly inland except for the CBC's CBU 690, which is right on the water. Pretty much all the TVs are on Mount Seymour, north of town. I don't know if that site is drivable or not. I've never been up there! s From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jun 11 09:03:18 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (markwats@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh In-Reply-To: <4DEFDAE8.50805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Bill O'Neill wrote" Passing this along from WCAP PD Ryan Johnston: "This Friday is WCAP's 60th anniversary. I'm slotted to dial-in sometime after 7:30 or 8 a.m. Fridee mawnin' to take a stroll down memory lane . Bill: It was great to hear you yesterday morning with your rememberances of your time at WCAP. Lots of listeners, 'CAP alumns and even a couple of radio folks who never worked at 243 Central St. either stopped by the station or phoned in. Among the other alums who were?heard yesterday (besides you & me)?Phil Fink, Gary Francis, George Anthes, there may have been others, but since I was at work I misssed some of the day long broadcast. I did make it over to Central St. on my lunch hour. Two notable radio names who were never on the WCAP payroll called in to offer their congratulations: "Doc" Fuller and a person Clark Smidt called the "dean of Merrimack Valley broadcasters and a class act"? Bruce Arnold from WCCM. Among listener comments about their favorite WCAP memories, IMHO the top ones were tuning in for school cancellations on snowy mornings?and "Telephone Trading Time", which amazed Ryan Johnston, he dubbed it the original "Craig's List" and even more amazed that someone (yours truly)?was able to answer a caller's query?on the ground rules of?a long-defunct?show that were recited at the open of each show. (No mattresses, automobiles, real estate or firearms. Only 3 items per call and only 1 call per week)? I shared this interesting tidbit during my appearance yesterday: In WCAP's 60 years they've only had 1 studio location, 1 set of call letters, 2 transmitter locations and 2 different?owners. How many other broadcast outlets, TV or radio, can come close to that? Here's to WCAP for 60 years of local ownership and service to the Greater Lowell & Merrimack Valley Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 12:57:29 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:57:29 -0400 Subject: cookout reminder Message-ID: hi, a reminder that Gary F. has slotted next Sat., June 18, 2-5 pm (raindate the next day) for the radio list cookout. He has a webpage with a list of what to bring for potluck (I'm bringing regular and diet soda, unless someone beat me to it. Acc. to the page,that option hadn't been filled yet) http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm Looking forward to seeing everyone. I recall there were some pix from the cookout from around 2002 or so, online. --Bob Nelson From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jun 11 13:52:11 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:52:11 -0400 Subject: cookout reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E549A28-3782-40CF-9EDE-D07AD80C43FA@mac.com> On Jun 11, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > hi, a reminder that Gary F. has slotted next Sat., June 18, 2-5 pm > (raindate the next day) for the radio list cookout. He has a webpage > with a list of what to bring for potluck (I'm bringing regular and > diet soda, unless someone beat me to it. > Acc. to the page,that option hadn't been filled yet) > > http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm > > Looking forward to seeing everyone. I recall there were some pix from > the cookout from around 2002 or so, online. > --Bob Nelson I look forward to meeting you and a lot more of the people on the list there. I was at that cookout in 2002, there were only a few of us there, I hope we get more this time around. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jun 11 16:15:45 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:15:45 +0000 Subject: cookout reminder Message-ID: <20110611201545.56600@gmx.com> I do remember meeting Donna, Dan S., and some others there. Gary F. our host was doing his WCAP show from a trailer in the parking lot and at one point a bunch of us were singing the theme from Boomtown, etc. I couldn't remember the actual year--2000? 01? 02?--but I looked it up by remembering a sad occurance that had happened that day. As I drove to Chelmsford, the Red Sox game was on and they had mentioned a major league pitcher had been found dead of a heart condition in his hotel room. It was Darryl Kile. So I looked up Kile in Wikipedia and it said he passed on June 22, 2002. Kind of a sad way to try to remember what year the cookout was held in... Fybush's North East Radio Watch for this week mentions the upcoming cookout. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 17:23:43 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:23:43 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> J Ballard wrote: > But think of all the major stories that have happened on weekends. > Watergate comes to mind, on a Saturday evening. I heard about it on NBC "Monitor", > it was much later that CBS Radio had the story on the air. > > Tornadoes, chemical plant explosions, inquiring minds want to know- this is > serious business. News coverage is expensive as is breaking news coverage. What prevents stations from contracting advertisers to commit to sponsoring breaking events so that when the added resources are expended, there is new money behind it (and a listener spike that goes with those events)? Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 17:29:37 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:29:37 +0000 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... Now what you do after is another matter and it seems like WHYN did OK -----Original Message----- From: "Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:23:43 To: Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) J Ballard wrote: > But think of all the major stories that have happened on weekends. > Watergate comes to mind, on a Saturday evening. I heard about it on NBC "Monitor", > it was much later that CBS Radio had the story on the air. > > Tornadoes, chemical plant explosions, inquiring minds want to know- this is > serious business. News coverage is expensive as is breaking news coverage. What prevents stations from contracting advertisers to commit to sponsoring breaking events so that when the added resources are expended, there is new money behind it (and a listener spike that goes with those events)? Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jun 11 17:39:59 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:39:59 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C7E702742B24C22B33C0B74394D4CBA@SatU205S5044> I'm sure that one problem is the unknown cost of covering events whose nature you don't know and can't predict in advance. For example serious problems at nuclear power stations can take many forms and reach vastly different degrees of severity that would require vastly different levels of resources to cover. Now lump in earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, hazardous-waste spills, even broken water mains such as we had in Boston a year or so ago. The only sponsor that would be likely to be able to pay for any or all of the situations I listed would be Jordan's Furniture. And the reason is that Jordan's is owned by Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway, which itself owns General Reinsurance. General Re is the company that insurance companies (such as Buffet's own Geico) go to to buy insurance against the policies they write to cover unpredictable risks. You can bet that General Re expects its clients to cover massive deductibles before they try to tap their General Re coverage. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) >J Ballard wrote: >> But think of all the major stories that have happened on weekends. >> Watergate comes to mind, on a Saturday evening. I heard about it >> on NBC "Monitor", >> it was much later that CBS Radio had the story on the air. >> >> Tornadoes, chemical plant explosions, inquiring minds want to know- >> this is >> serious business. > News coverage is expensive as is breaking news coverage. What > prevents stations from contracting advertisers to commit to > sponsoring breaking events so that when the added resources are > expended, there is new money behind it (and a listener spike that > goes with those events)? > > Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jun 11 16:32:38 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:32:38 -0400 Subject: cookout reminder References: <20110611201545.56600@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7F99063A5D6D41A7AD7BF4FF33588A48@SatU205S5044> I'm guessing that there were at least eight list members at the 2002 event, not counting Gary himself. Some brought guests, so the total number of attendees with connections to the list must have been in the mid teens. A larger number would be nice this time, but the number of attendees last time was large enough that, to me at least, the gathering didn't seem in any way forlorn. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Larry Weil" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:15 PM Subject: Re: cookout reminder >I do remember meeting Donna, Dan S., and some others there. Gary F. >our host was doing his WCAP show > from a trailer in the parking lot and at one point a bunch of us > were singing the theme from Boomtown, etc. > I couldn't remember the actual year--2000? 01? 02?--but I looked it > up by remembering a sad occurance that had happened that day. As I > drove to Chelmsford, the Red Sox game was on and they had mentioned > a major league pitcher had been found dead of a heart condition in > his hotel room. It was Darryl Kile. So I looked up Kile in Wikipedia > and it said he passed on June 22, 2002. Kind of a sad way to try to > remember what year > the cookout was held in... > > Fybush's North East Radio Watch for this week mentions the upcoming > cookout. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 17:55:52 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:55:52 -0400 Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh In-Reply-To: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> Mark Watson wrote: > > Bill: It was great to hear you yesterday morning with your > rememberances of your time at WCAP. > Thanks Mark. I appreciated their sentiments and was grateful to be able to put my historical role at WCAP in a more realistic perspective. The fact that Lowell (or any local community) has a station that is live and local is a good thing. > > Among listener comments about their favorite WCAP memories, IMHO the > top ones were tuning in for school cancellations on snowy mornings and > "Telephone Trading Time", which amazed Ryan Johnston, he dubbed it the > original "Craig's List" and even more amazed that someone (yours > truly) was able to answer a caller's query on the ground rules of a > long-defunct show that were recited at the open of each show. (No > mattresses, automobiles, real estate or firearms. Only 3 items per > call and only 1 call per week) > "TTT, hello!" was something I recall even as a kid in the Sixties. However, even now, the "Trading Post" is still on the air every morning on WDEV here in Vermont for a half hour six mornings a week at 6:30 and a "bonus edition" on Sats at 8:30. It's sponsored (often by 2) and often has the sponsors in studio with the host for a live spot. As old-school or hokey that it may seem from non-rural perspectives, I can only imagine that it legitimately pays the bills and serves as a longstanding 'signature' or distinctive for the station. The only difference is that firearms are not limited (minimal gun laws in VT I would assume as the reason) but I think RE is blocked. They have a good disclaimer against commercial interests that invite them to inquire as to how the station can help them to creatively move product or service. As the calls fly in it sends a solid message to commercial advertisers of the power of the medium's potential. > I shared this interesting tidbit during my appearance yesterday: In > WCAP's 60 years they've only had 1 studio location, 1 set of call > letters, 2 transmitter locations and 2 different owners. How many > other broadcast outlets, TV or radio, can come close to that? > > I'm glad that you were a contributor to the day - it wouldn't have been the same without you. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jun 11 17:49:26 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:49:26 -0400 Subject: cookout reminder In-Reply-To: <7F99063A5D6D41A7AD7BF4FF33588A48@SatU205S5044> References: <20110611201545.56600@gmx.com> <7F99063A5D6D41A7AD7BF4FF33588A48@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46481D74-65F4-466F-9D44-9DE563F88A8E@mac.com> I must be thinking of another (earlier?) event. The one I was at was me, Garrett, and Roger Kirk, and Gary was doing his show from his trailer. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Jun 11, 2011, at 4:32 PM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > I'm guessing that there were at least eight list members at the 2002 event, not counting Gary himself. Some brought guests, so the total number of attendees with connections to the list must have been in the mid teens. A larger number would be nice this time, but the number of attendees last time was large enough that, to me at least, the gathering didn't seem in any way forlorn. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Larry Weil" ; "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: cookout reminder > > >> I do remember meeting Donna, Dan S., and some others there. Gary F. our host was doing his WCAP show >> from a trailer in the parking lot and at one point a bunch of us were singing the theme from Boomtown, etc. >> I couldn't remember the actual year--2000? 01? 02?--but I looked it up by remembering a sad occurance that had happened that day. As I drove to Chelmsford, the Red Sox game was on and they had mentioned a major league pitcher had been found dead of a heart condition in his hotel room. It was Darryl Kile. So I looked up Kile in Wikipedia and it said he passed on June 22, 2002. Kind of a sad way to try to remember what year >> the cookout was held in... >> >> Fybush's North East Radio Watch for this week mentions the upcoming cookout. > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 18:54:05 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:54:05 +0000 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Message-ID: <798646792-1307832846-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727355555-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Anybody know if the cable companies in WMass send out an alert? ------Original Message------ From: Mark Laurence To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) Cc: Boston Radio Interest Interest Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Sent: Jun 11, 2011 6:40 PM On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... > > Now what you do after is another matter and it seems like WHYN did OK But you CAN have a contingency plan in effect 24/7 for when a tornado watch or warning is issued. You can have an on-duty employee with the capability to cut in to regular programming with a warning or news bulletin. You don't even have to have the person at the station - just give them the capability to dial in with a secret code and put the warning on the air. I don't think this should be optional. The FCC should require this as the obligation of every licensed broadcaster. Either put a live operator on site at every broadcast facility while it's operating, or designate an employee with remote emergency broadcast responsibility during all broadcast hours. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jun 11 18:40:08 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:40:08 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <153601C1-DB14-4D80-B306-90A95A084CBD@mac.com> On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... > > Now what you do after is another matter and it seems like WHYN did OK But you CAN have a contingency plan in effect 24/7 for when a tornado watch or warning is issued. You can have an on-duty employee with the capability to cut in to regular programming with a warning or news bulletin. You don't even have to have the person at the station - just give them the capability to dial in with a secret code and put the warning on the air. I don't think this should be optional. The FCC should require this as the obligation of every licensed broadcaster. Either put a live operator on site at every broadcast facility while it's operating, or designate an employee with remote emergency broadcast responsibility during all broadcast hours. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jun 11 18:28:20 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:28:20 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <90BB9930-60DB-4950-B8E1-B2F6ED017417@mac.com> On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) wrote: > News coverage is expensive as is breaking news coverage. What prevents stations from contracting advertisers to commit to sponsoring breaking events so that when the added resources are expended, there is new money behind it (and a listener spike that goes with those events)? It's not a bad idea, and it's been done to some extent with snowstorms. Campbell's Soup, for one, has place spots to run adjacent to weather reports during blizzards. But I think it would be tough to sell most companies upfront on "breaking news" of an unknown story. Think about the stomach-churning nature of some news bulletins: the President is assassinated, the space shuttle explodes, Wall Street has a meltdown, the nearby nuclear plant has a meltdown, inner city riots erupt, the list could go on. Who wants to be selling cars and recliners and fee-free checking accounts in that kind of atmosphere? Mark From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 11 19:17:06 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:17:06 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <798646792-1307832846-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727355555-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <798646792-1307832846-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727355555-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DF3F772.4060102@donnahalper.com> On 6/11/2011 6:54 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Anybody know if the cable companies in WMass send out an alert? > I got an EAS bulletin on my cable on Comcast, and I assume Comcast subscribers all over everywhere got a similar EAS alert, assuming they had their TV on at that time. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 20:18:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:18:29 +0000 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> Message-ID: <1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Springfield radio should at least work out something with ch 22 or 40 -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Doherty" Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:55:57 To: ; ; Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) > You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... Fukushima is a perfect example of such thinking. Memorials exist many kilometers inland and many meters higher of a tsunami over a thousand years ago. These signs were ignored because it happened so long ago, and a safety assumption was made because the likelihood of a recurrence within the projected lifetime of the plants was small. Yet the earthquake happened within the lifetime of the plants, and the tsunami overwhelmed the assumption as well as the plants. Violent weather and seismic events have occurred nearly everywhere on the planet. We need only look back about 50 years to the Worcester disaster in the 1950s to see that tornadoes do occur in central Mass. Agreed, they are rare; but they do happen, and on the scale of centuries, they happen fairly often. You don't need to project the actual location and severity to make a disaster plan. You do need to set up "meet-up" locations for your family and your employees, students, and/or co-workers. These should include phone numbers, email addresses, and websites like Facebook, but they should also include physical locations, some far away. (My family knows that if all else fails, they should head out to our camp in the Adirondacks.) As for what broadcast stations can do... EAS has a variety of codes, and any station can be programmed to forward alerts matching those codes. My stations automatically and instantly broadcast tornado and tsunami warnings, amber alerts, and other specifically chosen types of alerts. Work out agreements with other local broadcasters in the area. Nobody can predict who will be on or off the air, but we all can agree that everybody who is left standing will broadcast the audio from the best available source. It may be by radio relay from a backup exciter at somebody's studio, by Internet, or by cell phone, but somehow, it will get through if we plan it in advance. Arrange for backup transmitter locations, official or not. The FCC is great about responding to requests for temporary transmitter locations in disaster scenarios, but it is best to have aux sites licensed in advance. Have disaster plans written up, including scripts containing advice to listeners with regard to various disaster scenarios. Be sure that the entire staff - including management, sales, volunteers and interns - is thoroughly educated and knows the basics of opening a microphone and speaking on the air. Your traffic clerk might be the only one capable of getting to the station. Hoping to open a dialog here... Other ideas??? From dave@skywaves.net Sat Jun 11 19:55:57 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:55:57 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> > You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... Fukushima is a perfect example of such thinking. Memorials exist many kilometers inland and many meters higher of a tsunami over a thousand years ago. These signs were ignored because it happened so long ago, and a safety assumption was made because the likelihood of a recurrence within the projected lifetime of the plants was small. Yet the earthquake happened within the lifetime of the plants, and the tsunami overwhelmed the assumption as well as the plants. Violent weather and seismic events have occurred nearly everywhere on the planet. We need only look back about 50 years to the Worcester disaster in the 1950s to see that tornadoes do occur in central Mass. Agreed, they are rare; but they do happen, and on the scale of centuries, they happen fairly often. You don't need to project the actual location and severity to make a disaster plan. You do need to set up "meet-up" locations for your family and your employees, students, and/or co-workers. These should include phone numbers, email addresses, and websites like Facebook, but they should also include physical locations, some far away. (My family knows that if all else fails, they should head out to our camp in the Adirondacks.) As for what broadcast stations can do... EAS has a variety of codes, and any station can be programmed to forward alerts matching those codes. My stations automatically and instantly broadcast tornado and tsunami warnings, amber alerts, and other specifically chosen types of alerts. Work out agreements with other local broadcasters in the area. Nobody can predict who will be on or off the air, but we all can agree that everybody who is left standing will broadcast the audio from the best available source. It may be by radio relay from a backup exciter at somebody's studio, by Internet, or by cell phone, but somehow, it will get through if we plan it in advance. Arrange for backup transmitter locations, official or not. The FCC is great about responding to requests for temporary transmitter locations in disaster scenarios, but it is best to have aux sites licensed in advance. Have disaster plans written up, including scripts containing advice to listeners with regard to various disaster scenarios. Be sure that the entire staff - including management, sales, volunteers and interns - is thoroughly educated and knows the basics of opening a microphone and speaking on the air. Your traffic clerk might be the only one capable of getting to the station. Hoping to open a dialog here... Other ideas??? From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jun 11 19:40:00 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:40:00 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <8C7E702742B24C22B33C0B74394D4CBA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <05B7819392234621B34B5C411361F0D2@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" (snip snip here, snip snip there ... and a couple of fah-di-lahs... note the trite tornado tie-in) With all due respect to my dear bud Kevin (et al) - You may not be able to " plan for a tornado or earthquake... " but "bleep" happens. Advertisers DO agree to per-play sponsorships of Storm Related information. On the stations with whom I've been employed, now more than (oh gawd help me) 30 years - EVERY SINGLE ONE - we have "Storm Center" sponsors that agree, annually, to a "sponsorship" for each instance of "storm coverage." Snow, Hurricane, Flood - what have you. Just sayin' - It IS a regular practice on radio. So Bill O may be slightly cracked, warped and demented in that way in which we love him so... but not in regard to his "out of the box" yet "in the box" thinking. --Chuck Igo From scott@fybush.com Sat Jun 11 20:53:17 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:53:17 -0400 Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh In-Reply-To: <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> >> I shared this interesting tidbit during my appearance yesterday: In >> WCAP's 60 years they've only had 1 studio location, 1 set of call >> letters, 2 transmitter locations and 2 different owners. How many >> other broadcast outlets, TV or radio, can come close to that? >> >> > I'm glad that you were a contributor to the day - it wouldn't have been > the same without you. I enjoyed the chance to just sit back and listen. I suspect my brief flicker across the 980 airwaves two decades ago (!!) has probably, and mercifully, been forgotten by most of the Merrimack Valley by now...so I'm happy to salute WCAP's anniversary in my own way on Tower Site of the Week. (And I may yet unearth my tapes of my first WCAP appearances later this week, to mark the precise 20th anniversary of same. Hopefully I got some quality Bill O' Show material on the newsroom boombox around my own newscasts...) s From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 11 21:00:14 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:00:14 +0000 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <05B7819392234621B34B5C411361F0D2@Family> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com> <4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com><8C7E702742B24C22B33C0B74394D4CBA@SatU205S5044><05B7819392234621B34B5C411361F0D2@Family> Message-ID: <1565133180-1307840415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1775852716-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> All I was saying is you can gear up for a noreaster knowing a day or 2 ahead... Chicago TV goes nuts all summer long with warnings and radar taking up 50 percent of the screen. -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Igo" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:40:00 To: Dan.Strassberg; Bill O'Neill; Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" (snip snip here, snip snip there ... and a couple of fah-di-lahs... note the trite tornado tie-in) With all due respect to my dear bud Kevin (et al) - You may not be able to " plan for a tornado or earthquake... " but "bleep" happens. Advertisers DO agree to per-play sponsorships of Storm Related information. On the stations with whom I've been employed, now more than (oh gawd help me) 30 years - EVERY SINGLE ONE - we have "Storm Center" sponsors that agree, annually, to a "sponsorship" for each instance of "storm coverage." Snow, Hurricane, Flood - what have you. Just sayin' - It IS a regular practice on radio. So Bill O may be slightly cracked, warped and demented in that way in which we love him so... but not in regard to his "out of the box" yet "in the box" thinking. --Chuck Igo From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jun 11 21:37:04 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:37:04 -0400 Subject: cookout reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801cc28a1$40795180$c16bf480$@com> I'd love to go but it's kind of iffy as to whether I'll be back from North Dakota by then. If I get back on Thu or Fri as planned, count me in. I'll try to drag my wife out with me. ? ? Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? ? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston- > radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:57 PM > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: cookout reminder > > hi, a reminder that Gary F. has slotted next Sat., June 18, 2-5 pm > (raindate the next day) for the radio list cookout. He has a webpage > with a list of what to bring for potluck (I'm bringing regular and > diet soda, unless someone beat me to it. > Acc. to the page,that option hadn't been filled yet) > > http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm > > Looking forward to seeing everyone. I recall there were some pix from > the cookout from around 2002 or so, online. > --Bob Nelson From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 12 09:05:34 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0000 Subject: cookout reminder Message-ID: <20110612130534.138570@gmx.com> Hmm; though I did a search and found the following list e-mail: http://lists.bostonradio.org/bri/v05/msg02420.html >>(Gary), May 4 2002: " "I was speaking with Mark Watson last night about a good date for the 2nd Boston Radio e-Mail List Get Together and pot luck Cook out. We seem to think that June is the best month - before vacation season goes into full swing. How do you guys feel about Saturday, June 22nd?" ---- Maybe there was one in August in a different year (note this refers to a "_2nd_ Boston Radio e-Mail list Get Together") , but that e-mail says June 22, and as I mentioned, online searches show me that was the day that Darryl Kile was found dead. I think I got the list email by searching for "sockhop gary francis" I also think I remember at the one I went, Mark Watson was there, and someone there was working for a station up in the lakes region of NH (possibly him?) Finally, further searching by me showed posts expressing concern about a possible "rainout" but it didn't get rained out after all. This message, posted on Sun 6/23/02, quoted a message by Gary: "a great time was had by those who showed up.....with a special guest appearance by Donna Halper, who even got a fan phone call on the request line!" The post was by Mark Watson who went on to say, "Thank You Gary for hosting the few of us that showed, for the grill, tent, and many oldies not heard on as you said on the air last night, "Oldies ah-ah-3!!". And it was great to meet Donna Halper, and engage in some interesting and enlightening conversation, and to hear her opinions on where the broadcasting biz is going." http://lists.bostonradio.org/bri/v05/msg03003.html So at least my memory of the get-together appearing on June 22 of 2002 may have been correct. You may, again, be remembering a different get together... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary's Ice Cream Sent: 06/11/11 04:26 PM To: 'Bob Nelson' Subject: RE: cookout reminder It was actually Aug 12, 2002. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 12 10:41:33 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:41:33 +0000 Subject: cookout reminder Message-ID: <20110612144133.138530@gmx.com> Hmmmm?the pictures I took at the last one were from Aug 2002. Yes, weird...and I was trying to find them online but couldn't. The pix showed various people at the cookout including me, eating ice cream and wearing a red pocket T-shirt (I had saved that pic on an old comp. but no longer have it). Well, whatever--I do look forward to this week's cookout! Thanks again for hosting it!--Bob From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 12 13:03:11 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:03:11 -0400 Subject: Cambridge School (Grahm Junior College) In-Reply-To: <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF4F14F.2030401@donnahalper.com> I was tracking the history of the Cambridge School of Broadcasting (which seems to have begun its life in February 1952 as the Cambridge School of Radio Broadcasting, an off-shoot of the Cambridge School of Business; it became Grahm Junior College in February 1968, if my files are correct. In its formative years, Norm Prescott was d.j. in residence, and then it was Stan Richards. But the school never seems to have been in Cambridge. Anyone know how it got its original name? (Its sister school, the Cambridge School of Business doesn't seem to have been in Cambridge either...) From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 12 13:56:24 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: Cambridge School (Grahm Junior College) In-Reply-To: <4DF4F14F.2030401@donnahalper.com> References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> <4DF4F14F.2030401@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: It started with 3 branches - Boston, Chicago and New York In Boston there were at Boylston and Exeter. The Cambridge name was used to hint some link with other schools across the river. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I was tracking the history of the Cambridge School of Broadcasting (which > seems to have begun its life in February 1952 as the Cambridge School of > Radio Broadcasting, an off-shoot of the Cambridge School of Business; it > became Grahm Junior College in February 1968, if my files are correct. In > its formative years, Norm Prescott was d.j. in residence, and then it was > Stan Richards. But the school never seems to have been in Cambridge. > Anyone know how it got its original name? (Its sister school, the > Cambridge School of Business doesn't seem to have been in Cambridge > either...) > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 12 14:53:46 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:53:46 -0400 Subject: Cambridge School (Grahm Junior College) In-Reply-To: References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> <4DF4F14F.2030401@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4DF50B3A.2080403@donnahalper.com> On 6/12/2011 1:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It started with 3 branches - Boston, Chicago and New York > > In Boston there were at Boylston and Exeter. The Cambridge name was > used to hint some link with other schools across the river. I found the original address (late 1951) was at 18 Tremont St (the Kimball Bldg); and then in October 1956, the school expanded and moved to 687 Boyston, which as Kevin recalls correctly, was indeed at Exeter. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 12 16:56:49 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:56:49 +0000 Subject: W221CH Frequence Switch...? Message-ID: <20110612205649.138560@gmx.com> I don't know the new calls, but the station that had been simulcasting WNNW at 92.1 licensed to Newton NH apparently got complaints of interference and they apparently have moved to 102.9, no doubt with new calls to reflect the frequency "channel". L. Glavin mentioned this on another board. I tried it in Beverly and let's just say it's so clear you'd think the stick was in Peabody or something! I guess this bad news for "WCFM Choice 102.9", but that pirate station has probably been off the air for awhile anyway (FCC fines, etc.) Because apparently the entry of 102.9 into the Merrimack Valley means there would be interference complaints from WNNW's owners should "Choice 102.9" decide to fire up again. (The Choice FM website is gone from its domain name but can be found by typing in choice1029.com into http://www.archive.org and pick a date). One version of the site declared that the station had the call letters WCFM (which will come as news to the folks at Williams College in Williamstown, FM 91.9) and they were supposedly putting out 2,000 watts with a range of 100 miles. Yeah. In the next breath they called themselves "low power radio". Anyway, apparently the WNNW simulcast is now at 102.9. Oh, and Laurence's post on the other board said that they'd applied for 102.9 with a COL change to Lawrence MA From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jun 12 17:01:03 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:01:03 -0500 Subject: W221CH Frequence Switch...? In-Reply-To: <20110612205649.138560@gmx.com> References: <20110612205649.138560@gmx.com> Message-ID: And I read on Facebook that one of the people involved with 87.9 The Wave (I think he has low pwoer signals on 88.5 in ipswich and 99.9 somewhere else) complained that this translator was blocking his reception of WBLM.. not like he has alot of standing there. HA.. the pirate claims 2000W gets 100 miles? LOL Paul On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I don't know the new calls, but the station that had been simulcasting WNNW > at 92.1 licensed to Newton NH apparently got complaints of interference and > they apparently have moved to 102.9, no doubt with new > calls to reflect the frequency "channel". L. Glavin mentioned this on > another board. I tried it in Beverly and let's just say it's so clear you'd > think the stick was in Peabody or something! > > I guess this bad news for "WCFM Choice 102.9", but that pirate station has > probably been off the air for awhile anyway (FCC fines, etc.) Because > apparently the entry of 102.9 into the Merrimack Valley means > there would be interference complaints from WNNW's owners should "Choice > 102.9" decide to fire up again. > (The Choice FM website is gone from its domain name but can be found by > typing in choice1029.com into > http://www.archive.org and pick a date). One version of the site declared > that the station had the call > letters WCFM (which will come as news to the folks at Williams College in > Williamstown, FM 91.9) and they were supposedly putting out 2,000 watts with > a range of 100 miles. > > Yeah. In the next breath they called themselves "low power radio". Anyway, > apparently the WNNW > simulcast is now at 102.9. Oh, and Laurence's post on the other board said > that they'd applied for 102.9 > with a COL change to Lawrence MA > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Jun 12 19:00:35 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:00:35 -0400 Subject: W221CH Frequence Switch...? In-Reply-To: <20110612205649.138560@gmx.com> References: <20110612205649.138560@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110612185512.027b5d40@plymouthcolony.net> At 04:56 PM 6/12/2011, Bob Nelson wrote: >I don't know the new calls, but the station that had been >simulcasting WNNW at 92.1 licensed to Newton NH apparently got >complaints of interference and they apparently have moved to 102.9, >no doubt with new > calls to reflect the frequency "channel". According to the FCC database the W221CH application for a minor change (to channel 275) was granted on 03-Jun. I presume that when the license to cover is granted new calls (W275xx) will be assigned. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 12 20:27:39 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:27:39 +0000 Subject: W221CH Frequence Switch...? Message-ID: <20110613002739.138550@gmx.com> Yes; Wikipedia says the calls are *W275BH The power is listed as 150 watts* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNNW ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale H. Cook Sent: 06/12/11 07:00 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: W221CH Frequence Switch...? At 04:56 PM 6/12/2011, Bob Nelson wrote: >I don't know the new calls, but the station that had been >simulcasting WNNW at 92.1 licensed to Newton NH apparently got >complaints of interference and they apparently have moved to 102.9, >no doubt with new > calls to reflect the frequency "channel". According to the FCC database the W221CH application for a minor change (to channel 275) was granted on 03-Jun. I presume that when the license to cover is granted new calls (W275xx) will be assigned. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jun 12 21:39:54 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:39:54 -0400 Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh In-Reply-To: <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> References: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4DF3E468.7050608@gmail.com> <4DF40DFD.7090905@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF56A6A.9000800@gmail.com> On 6/11/2011 8:53 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Hopefully I got some quality Bill O' Show material on the newsroom > boombox around my own newscasts...) File under: Oh, waiter? b - From bwelch1957@verizon.net Sun Jun 12 20:53:26 2011 From: bwelch1957@verizon.net (Bill Welch) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:53:26 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> <1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> I was in a car the night of the tornado and WMAS was carrying the audio from one of the TV stations I believe it was WWLP. For the most part WHYN partners with CBS3 in Springfield for their afternoon newscasts which becomes very obvious taht it is taped when you hear the exact same thing every time they "update the news" Or you see the CBS3 ancho on TV at teh same time you are hearing his voiuce on the radio. WHYN has had a slogan going into their newscast for a while "See it tonight, read it tomorrow or hear it now" but hearing it now over in over is not news. When Congress and the FCC did away with the rule of 7 is when localism started downhill there was no real incentive to compete when you would be competing with yourself. When AM FM and TV combos existed they could share the resources and expenses across all the station.s Other than WBZ are there any combos left and are the resources shared so as to make a difference? Kevin Vahey wrote: > Springfield radio should at least work out something with ch 22 or 40 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:55:57 > To:;; > Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) > > >> You CAN NOT plan for a tornado or earthquake... >> > Fukushima is a perfect example of such thinking. Memorials exist many > kilometers inland and many meters higher of a tsunami over a thousand years > ago. These signs were ignored because it happened so long ago, and a safety > assumption was made because the likelihood of a recurrence within the > projected lifetime of the plants was small. Yet the earthquake happened > within the lifetime of the plants, and the tsunami overwhelmed the > assumption as well as the plants. > > Violent weather and seismic events have occurred nearly everywhere on the > planet. We need only look back about 50 years to the Worcester disaster in > the 1950s to see that tornadoes do occur in central Mass. Agreed, they are > rare; but they do happen, and on the scale of centuries, they happen fairly > often. > > You don't need to project the actual location and severity to make a > disaster plan. > > You do need to set up "meet-up" locations for your family and your > employees, students, and/or co-workers. These should include phone numbers, > email addresses, and websites like Facebook, but they should also include > physical locations, some far away. (My family knows that if all else fails, > they should head out to our camp in the Adirondacks.) > > As for what broadcast stations can do... > > EAS has a variety of codes, and any station can be programmed to forward > alerts matching those codes. My stations automatically and instantly > broadcast tornado and tsunami warnings, amber alerts, and other specifically > chosen types of alerts. > > Work out agreements with other local broadcasters in the area. Nobody can > predict who will be on or off the air, but we all can agree that everybody > who is left standing will broadcast the audio from the best available > source. It may be by radio relay from a backup exciter at somebody's studio, > by Internet, or by cell phone, but somehow, it will get through if we plan > it in advance. > > Arrange for backup transmitter locations, official or not. The FCC is great > about responding to requests for temporary transmitter locations in disaster > scenarios, but it is best to have aux sites licensed in advance. > > Have disaster plans written up, including scripts containing advice to > listeners with regard to various disaster scenarios. Be sure that the > entire staff - including management, sales, volunteers and interns - is > thoroughly educated and knows the basics of opening a microphone and > speaking on the air. Your traffic clerk might be the only one capable of > getting to the station. > > Hoping to open a dialog here... Other ideas??? > > > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jun 12 22:11:28 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:11:28 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> <1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4DF571D0.30208@fybush.com> Bill Welch wrote: > When AM FM and TV combos existed they could share the resources and > expenses across all the station.s Other than WBZ are there any combos > left and are the resources shared so as to make a difference? There are no other combos like that left in New England, and that's a result of deliberate Commission policy to break up those combos, starting in the late 60s-early 70s. Even at CBS, one of the last companies to hang on to its radio-TV combos, the trend has been to split up radio and TV into separate physical facilities. Over the last decade, CBS has moved in Chicago, Los Angeles and Philadelphia, each time to separate buildings for radio and TV...and in New York and San Francisco, while radio and TV are under the same roof, they're in completely separate parts of the building. I believe Boston is now the only CBS radio/TV combo with a joint newsroom, and even that would have changed a few years back if Harvard hadn't run out of capital to buy up 1170 Soldiers Field Road. (I'm pretty sure AM 1030 would have landed down the road at the old WSBK building, while channel 4 would have moved elsewhere.) Separate physical facilities doesn't automatically mean no sharing of resources, of course, but it doesn't make it any easier, either. s From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 00:22:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:22:33 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: Getting pretty obvious Harvard has something major in mind for SFR in Allston..... I would think sooner or later they will make CBS an offer they can't refuse... http://bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/view/2011_0612harvard_club_ice_rink_dealgoes/srvc=home&position=also From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 12 23:32:54 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:32:54 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: <4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com> <478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave> <1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4DF584E6.5000200@attorneyross.com> On 6/12/2011 8:53 PM, Bill Welch wrote: > For the most part WHYN partners with CBS3 in Springfield for their > afternoon newscasts which becomes very obvious taht it is taped when > you hear the exact same thing every time they "update the news" Or you > see the CBS3 ancho on TV at teh same time you are hearing his voiuce > on the radio. Is channel 40 no longer WHYN-TV? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 08:34:11 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> This came up about a year ago. The Herald published plans that Harvard had for 1170 SFR even though CBS had no plans to sell at the time. Would they just go down to the old TV38 building? (Not sure there would be enough room with the current radio configuration.) Staying at 1170 SFR may just be an attachment to the past - perhaps they would be better off in the digital age with a newer plant and design somewhere else. What was state of the art in 1948 may no longer be adequate in the new millenium (even with upgrades over the years.) From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Jun 13 09:38:07 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:38:07 -0400 Subject: WCAP Turns the Big Six-Oh In-Reply-To: <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4DEFDAE8.50805@gmail.com> <1744156164.49153.1307797398217.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > > , IMHO the top ones were tuning in for school cancellations on snowy > mornings and "Telephone Trading Time", which amazed Ryan Johnston, he dubbed > it the original "Craig's List" and even more amazed that someone (yours > truly) was able to answer a caller's query on the ground rules of a > long-defunct show that were recited at the open of each show. (No > mattresses, automobiles, real estate or firearms. Only 3 items per call and > only 1 call per week) > > > WKXL in Concord, N.H. also used to prohibit 23 channel CB radios from being offered on their swap shop. They claimed it was some sort of FCC rule. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 10:08:18 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:08:18 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF619D2.6030307@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > This came up about a year ago. The Herald published plans that Harvard had for > 1170 SFR even though CBS had no plans to sell at the time. Would they just go > down to the old TV38 building? (Not sure there would be enough room with the > current radio configuration.) Staying at 1170 SFR may just be an attachment to > the past - perhaps they would be better off in the digital age with a newer > plant and design somewhere else. What was state of the art in 1948 may no longer > be adequate in the new millenium (even with upgrades over the years.) The only thing that remains from 1948 inside 1170 SFR is the walls - and not even all of those are original! The building has been very extensively gutted and rebuilt several times in its long history. Even by the time I got there in 1992, there was really nothing of 1948 left save for an observation gallery/projection room on the second floor, overlooking one of the TV studios. The 1996 renovation wiped that out, too. But having said that: I'm sure CBS would sell if the offer was right. They've moved most of their O&Os out of their historic homes in recent years, building separate new TV and radio plants (usually in leased space). s From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 13 08:18:09 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:18:09 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) References: <5c903.2c13c096.3b2382b4@aol.com><4DF3DCDF.5010007@gmail.com><478270777-1307827787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192021367-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><7A2CE3FD7315449981C48B1EE0B4B651@dave><1472753867-1307837909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-721060613-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><4DF55F86.1060605@verizon.net> <4DF584E6.5000200@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4B898C93448440E9A4EC3CF967EDBE81@PhilsLaptop> Channel 40 hasn't been WHYN-TV for years. Several years after Guy Gannett Broadcasting bought WHYN AM-FM-TV (back in the '70s, IIRC), it sold off the radio stations and kept Channel 40, which it renamed WGGB-TV. The station has been sold at least once since, and the subsequent owners have kept the call letters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) > On 6/12/2011 8:53 PM, Bill Welch wrote: > >> For the most part WHYN partners with CBS3 in Springfield for their >> afternoon newscasts which becomes very obvious taht it is taped when you >> hear the exact same thing every time they "update the news" Or you see >> the CBS3 ancho on TV at teh same time you are hearing his voiuce on the >> radio. > > Is channel 40 no longer WHYN-TV? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Jun 13 10:18:28 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:18:28 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF619D2.6030307@fybush.com> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DF619D2.6030307@fybush.com> Message-ID: I know they just completed a very extensive renovation when they built their HD studio. I would guess the price would need to be very good,considering the amount of disruption as well as the fact that they haven't amortized much of the recent renovation work. -Bob On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Maureen Carney wrote: > >> This came up about a year ago. The Herald published plans that Harvard had >> for 1170 SFR even though CBS had no plans to sell at the time. Would they >> just go down to the old TV38 building? (Not sure there would be enough room >> with the current radio configuration.) Staying at 1170 SFR may just be an >> attachment to the past - perhaps they would be better off in the digital age >> with a newer plant and design somewhere else. What was state of the art in >> 1948 may no longer be adequate in the new millenium (even with upgrades over >> the years.) >> > > The only thing that remains from 1948 inside 1170 SFR is the walls - and > not even all of those are original! > > The building has been very extensively gutted and rebuilt several times in > its long history. Even by the time I got there in 1992, there was really > nothing of 1948 left save for an observation gallery/projection room on the > second floor, overlooking one of the TV studios. The 1996 renovation wiped > that out, too. > > But having said that: I'm sure CBS would sell if the offer was right. > They've moved most of their O&Os out of their historic homes in recent > years, building separate new TV and radio plants (usually in leased space). > > s > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 10:38:14 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> My understanding (from 2 people I know who worked there)?is the WLVI building was too small for both stations. As I haven't been in 1170 SFR in a long time (like since CBS took over) I wasn't sure what was done for digital changeovers. Any way you look at it CBS isn't chained to the past and would have no qualms letting it go. From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 15:24:00 2011 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: Perhaps, but what about the Allston backup tower? I would assume that any plans Harvard has for that land do not include leaving the tower intact. And moving a tower is a rampaging pain in the butt. Despite how little use it gets, I know WBZ has been mighty thankful they've had that backup the times they *have* used it. -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com www.friedbagels.com (617) 504-5124 cell Scott Fybush scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 10:08:18 EDT 2011 (snip) But having said that: I'm sure CBS would sell if the offer was right. They've moved most of their O&Os out of their historic homes in recent years, building separate new TV and radio plants (usually in leased space). From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 15:43:14 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:43:14 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Martin Waters wrote: > And outside, just about the only things from 1948 are (maybe!) the > fence around the property and, certainly, the twisted steel stubs > left from the original channel 4 tower that fell on the building in > the early '50s. One of them now is used to anchor one of the guy > wires for the WBZ (AM) backup tower. I'm quite certain the fence came later than 1948. I have some aerial shots from after Hurricane Carol that don't show a fence at all. > One relocation issue would be that, as was posted, CBS corporate > might want to shove WBZ (AM) in with some or all of its other radios > and move the TV to a new building. Given the radio format, being > physically right next to the TV newsroom has a lot of benefits -- and > it goes both ways. IMO, if they moved, they ought to go in the other > direction -- moving WBZ-FM into the new place with the AM and TV to > gain the benefit of the same synergy. They're running two information > formats on radio -- making it a whole different situation than if > they were just jukeboxes. CBS doesn't seem especially interested in creating or preserving those sorts of physical synergies. As I've noted, they broke up what had been long-standing co-locations in Chicago (WBBM/WBBM-TV at 630 N. McClurg), LA (KNX/KCBS-TV on Sunset) and Philly (KYW/KYW-TV on Independence Mall), and I'm reminded now that they recently moved KDKA(AM) out of the Gateway Center building it's shared with KDKA-TV since 1960 or so. Same deal in Pittsburgh: KDKA-FM is doing sports, and it's doing so out of the radio cluster in Green Tree rather than with TV at Gateway. For whatever reason, CBS corporate just seems to believe in keeping things separate - even in San Francisco and NYC, there's no physical connection between the radio and TV plants in the same building. Boston is configured the way it is because Westinghouse designed it that way, not because CBS wanted it that way. > Another issue would be finding a new location for the AM backup > antenna. It could be an opportunity to separate it from the studio > location, although having it right there makes it pretty close to > bulletproof when it's needed. > > I once heard that, supposedly, one of the reasons the backup is only > 10 kW is that shielding the equipment in the building from any higher > power would be a nightmare. The phones sometimes get a little dicey > when it's on the air. > > If they diplexed from some existing antenna or somehow overcame > NIMBY-ism to find a new backup location of their own, they might be > able to have a backup as high as 50 kW. (Around 15 or 20 years ago, > WCCO (AM) built a separate backup site that's licensed for about 48 > kW.) More correct to say "WCCO took over an abandoned AM site." I believe their backup site (which I've never had the chance to see) was the former 1470 site when that station moved to a different location in the Minneapolis suburbs. Being a I-A clear channel and all, WBZ has a lot of wiggle room for locating an aux tower, should they feel the need to replace Allston. The most obvious bet might be Bob's WJIB tower, if he's amenable. But, heck, they could probably even run a folded unipole up the old "TV 38" STL tower behind Leo Birmingham if it came to that. There are very, very, VERY few AMs with completely separate aux sites. Beyond WBZ and WCCO, I'm hard-pressed to think of any. The more common arrangement for AMs with any aux at all is to erect a separate shorter tower at the main site, as most of the I-A AMs have done. In the case of a directional, like WBZ, a fairly simple modification of the phasor would allow them to run ND into one tower while working on the other. s From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 15:18:11 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > The only thing that remains from 1948 inside 1170 SFR is > the walls - and not even all of those are original! ? ? And outside, just about the only things from 1948 are (maybe!) the fence around the property and, certainly, the twisted steel stubs left from the original channel 4 tower that fell on the building in the early '50s. One of them now is used to anchor one of the guy wires for the WBZ (AM) backup tower. ? ? ? My take on the facility was that over the past few years I didn't hear talk about the place being inadequate. That's not to say a state-of-the-art new building wouldn't be a good improvement. ? ? ? And my guess is that they'd more than likely only sell to Harvard if the price was so high they essentially would be getting Harvard to pay for the relocation as well as the value of the SFR property -- so they'd be in a position to set themselves up in excellent new digs. ? ? ? One relocation issue would be that, as was posted, CBS corporate might want to shove WBZ (AM) in with some or all of its other radios and move the TV to a new building. Given the radio format, being physically right next to the TV newsroom has a lot of benefits -- and it goes both ways. IMO, if they moved, they ought to go in the other direction -- moving WBZ-FM into the new place with the AM and TV to gain the benefit of the same synergy. They're running two information formats on radio -- making it a whole different situation than if they were just jukeboxes.? ? ? ???Another issue would be finding a new location for the AM backup antenna. It could be an opportunity to separate it from the studio location, although having it right there makes it pretty close to bulletproof when it's needed. ? ? ? I once heard that, supposedly, one of the reasons the backup is only 10 kW is that shielding the equipment in the building from any higher power would be a nightmare. The phones sometimes get a little dicey when it's on the air. ? ? ? If they diplexed from some existing antenna or somehow overcame NIMBY-ism to find a new backup location of their own, they might be able to have a backup as high as 50 kW. (Around 15 or 20 years ago, WCCO (AM) built a separate backup site that's licensed for about 48 kW.) ? ? ? WBZ (AM) loses a lot when they have to run 10 kW for extended periods (during weekdays) every time the salt air peels the paint off the ancient towers in Hull. Ten kW gives you only (very rough quick-and-dirty math here, based on non-directional antennas) about 45 percent of the signal you get from 50 kW. And that doesn't take into account that their directional pattern from Hull pushes out something in the neighborhood of 90 kW or 100 kW equivalent at its maximum point(which is just about due west). ? ? ? ? ??? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 13 16:21:09 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:21:09 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19958.28981.728138.360942@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > For whatever reason, CBS corporate just seems to believe in keeping > things separate - even in San Francisco and NYC, there's no physical > connection between the radio and TV plants in the same building. I believe the reason is that that's how they manage the company: there's a radio segment, a television segment, an outdoor segment, and so on. That's what gives you all those crazy internal economies where radio is paying rent to TV and so on, and if the rent is cheaper somewhere else, Sumner wants radio to be somewhere else. (TV is of course much harder to move, simply because it requires more physical infrastructure, especially network TV.) When you consider the past efforts to get "synergy" at Westinghouse and CBS mostly ended in failure, there's not much reason to believe that there is any achievable cost savings as a result of having them all in the same place. The current extent of "synergy" is having TV weather people do the radio weather forecasts, and running the occasional segment from the CBS Evening at 7:04p. Neither of these require the TV people to be in the same building as the radio people. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 13 15:23:06 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:23:06 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com> On 6/13/2011 10:38 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > My understanding (from 2 people I know who worked there) is the WLVI building > was too small for both stations. As I haven't been in 1170 SFR in a long time > (like since CBS took over) I wasn't sure what was done for digital changeovers. > Any way you look at it CBS isn't chained to the past and would have no qualms > letting it go. I imagine they'd need to find a new location for the auxiliary radio transmitter. Maybe that isn't much of a problem these days. Perhaps they could put it out near the existing television tower at Route 128. Or perhaps they could acquire a site somewhere else. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:28:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <19958.28981.728138.360942@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> <19958.28981.728138.360942@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: You have to wonder how much longer ABC will hold on to 66th St....most high profile shows use Times Square anyways, the soaps are history and Millionaire could find another stage. WABC itself may stay put in their building. That is one choice parcel of real estate. Mouse could easily move some operations to Bristol to get away from NABET as ESPN has never had a union to deal with in the cowfields of Bristol. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 16:28:50 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:28:50 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: Message-ID: <8623581DA76F4245BA986256FADD3F2A@SatU205S5044> The best place for a WBZ aux would be the WEZE site at Wellington Circle. The most cost-effective approach would be to use just one tower, which would allow something between 5 and 10 kW and possibly more. At 1030, the towers are well over 1/4 wavelength high and are ~280 degrees apart. By using both towers, WBZ could produce an interesting three-leaf-clover pattern with two narrow lobes (one pointing more or less north-northeast and the other pointing more or less south-southeast). A fat main lobe would point due west. Depending on how the skywave would affect the 1030 in Puerto Rico, significantly more than 10 kW ought to be be possible with two towers. I don't think the green-eyeshade types at CBS would be interested in a setup that used more than one tower, though. The WRKO site in Burlington would be another possibility, especially for ND operation. But for a directional setup, the orientation of those towers (75 degrees true) is not as favorable as that of WEZE's towers (90 degrees). WEEI's easternmost tower--the shortest of the WEEI's three towers--is a third possibility for ND operation. I believe that tower is 211 degrees at 1030 and so would be very efficient. It would be interesting to see how much power the FCC would allow. Because WBZ is directional, a waiver of the rule that constrains the aux 0.5 mV/m contour to lie entirely within the main 0.5 mV/m would probably be required. Maybe not though, because the area where the aux 0.5 mV/m contour would lie outside the corresponding main contour would lie over open water. That situation presumably already exists with the aux at 1170 SFR. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > Perhaps, but what about the Allston backup tower? I would assume > that > any plans Harvard has for that land do not include leaving the tower > intact. And moving a tower is a rampaging pain in the butt. > Despite > how little use it gets, I know WBZ has been mighty thankful they've > had that backup the times they *have* used it. > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Aaron Read > friedbagels@gmail.com > www.friedbagels.com > (617) 504-5124 cell > > > > Scott Fybush scott@fybush.com > Mon Jun 13 10:08:18 EDT 2011 > (snip) > But having said that: I'm sure CBS would sell if the offer was > right. > They've moved most of their O&Os out of their historic homes in > recent > years, building separate new TV and radio plants (usually in leased > space). From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 13 16:43:39 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:43:39 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF6767B.10808@attorneyross.com> On 6/13/2011 3:18 PM, Martin Waters wrote: > > If they diplexed from some existing antenna or somehow overcame NIMBY-ism to find a new backup location of their own, they might be able to have a backup as high as 50 kW. (Around 15 or 20 years ago, WCCO (AM) built a separate backup site that's licensed for about 48 kW.) Maybe they'd diplex from the WJIB tower and give Bob another source of income. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:16:16 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:16:16 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66D8D.4030207@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> <4DF66D8D.4030207@fybush.com> Message-ID: Ground Round lost booze license after a now channel 5 anchor was nailed. They also had problems with a sports anchor between 6-11. Without liquor the place closed even before the chain did. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > BUT - CBS IS Westinghouse :) >> > > It wasn't when they were designing the building! That was an > all-Westinghouse project, even though CBS entered the picture towards the > end of the work. > > > Harvard obviously has something in mind....but Harvard thinks 50-100 years >> ahead. They made a mistake 100 years ago when they did not lock up the land >> on the Cambridge side south of Harvard Yard. They will never make that error >> again. >> >> BTW I assume 68 is still in the Ground Round /HoJo's building that WBZ >> helped closed when they made it off-limits to employees after work. High >> profile arrest of some news talent was the reason. Ground Round had a >> captive audience next door for lunch/dinner. >> > > When was this? It was never made explicitly off-limits during my time > there, and since when would management have had any right to tell employees > (especially AFTRAns and other unionized employees) where they can and can't > go when they're off the clock? > > During my time there, we held several farewell parties for departing > co-workers at the Ground Round. I remember Jacquie Goddard's in particular, > when she was headed off to work for Mayor Menino. (Where is Jacquie now, I > wonder?) > > And yes, 68 is still in the building, last I checked. > > s > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 16:46:28 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:46:28 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF67724.5090301@fybush.com> Mike Ward wrote: > They moved it in with KPIX on Battery, and you are 100% > correct...there is NO physical connection between the KCBS and KPIX > facilities. Each has separate news and operations areas, and there > MAY be a way to get between them in the halls by going past the front > desk. I think the elevator stops on both the radio and TV floors, but my tour guide when Garrett and I visited the radio facilities there last year did not have card access to the TV floors, and didn't know anyone who did. The Broadcast Center on W. 57th in NYC is similar - WCBS 880 is behind its own locked door on the eighth floor of the office tower there, and nobody else - not network radio, nor network TV, nor WCBS-TV - has access. WCBS-TV isn't behind locked doors on the second floor of the TV studio area there, but it might as well be. I all but got physically chased out of the channel 2 newsroom when I wandered through with a senior engineering executive from the TV network side a few years back. They are VERY protective of their space, apparently. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 16:54:37 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:54:37 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2E9AB9579085434F99EF4329E619AC2C@SatU205S5044> You couldn't be more wrong! The modern annals of the technical side of AM in the US are basically a litany of case after case in which neighbors have shot down tower construction. The most notorious case locally was the WXKS (AM)/WRCA/WUNR triplex in Newton, which spent about a decade in court. When KFI lost its tower because of a light-plane crash, it took Clear Channel the better part of a decade to get permission to replace the tower with a somewhat shorter version at the very same spot! If you are going to build any sort of AM facility in the Boston area in this millennium, you're going to need a cooperative AM station that is willing to have you as a tenant diplexing into its existing tower or towers. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > > I imagine they'd need to find a new location for the auxiliary radio > transmitter. Maybe that isn't much of a problem these days. > Perhaps they could put it out near the existing television tower at > Route 128. Or perhaps they could acquire a site somewhere else. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jun 13 16:34:56 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110613162938.027e9a68@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:18 PM 6/13/2011, Martin Waters wrote: >CBS corporate might want to shove WBZ (AM) in with some or all of >its other radios and move the TV to a new building. CBS did pretty much that with their Hartford radio stations some years ago. They built two studio facilities, one to the east of the city and one to the west. An old friend is the production director at the western facility. He has his own studio with some toys not found in the other production rooms in the facility. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 16:05:33 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:05:33 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF66D8D.4030207@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > BUT - CBS IS Westinghouse :) It wasn't when they were designing the building! That was an all-Westinghouse project, even though CBS entered the picture towards the end of the work. > Harvard obviously has something in mind....but Harvard thinks 50-100 > years ahead. They made a mistake 100 years ago when they did not lock up > the land on the Cambridge side south of Harvard Yard. They will never > make that error again. > > BTW I assume 68 is still in the Ground Round /HoJo's building that WBZ > helped closed when they made it off-limits to employees after work. High > profile arrest of some news talent was the reason. Ground Round had a > captive audience next door for lunch/dinner. When was this? It was never made explicitly off-limits during my time there, and since when would management have had any right to tell employees (especially AFTRAns and other unionized employees) where they can and can't go when they're off the clock? During my time there, we held several farewell parties for departing co-workers at the Ground Round. I remember Jacquie Goddard's in particular, when she was headed off to work for Mayor Menino. (Where is Jacquie now, I wonder?) And yes, 68 is still in the building, last I checked. s From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:15:51 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:15:51 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110613162938.027e9a68@plymouthcolony.net> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110613162938.027e9a68@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: In Chicago they moved all the radio outlets to the Prudential Building.... Channel 2 is now on State St. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19248911 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 03:18 PM 6/13/2011, Martin Waters wrote: > > CBS corporate might want to shove WBZ (AM) in with some or all of its >> other radios and move the TV to a new building. >> > > CBS did pretty much that with their Hartford radio stations some years ago. > They built two studio facilities, one to the east of the city and one to the > west. An old friend is the production director at the western facility. He > has his own studio with some toys not found in the other production rooms in > the facility. > > Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jun 13 16:28:23 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:28:23 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110613161930.0280bda8@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:43 PM 6/13/2011, Scott Fybush wrote: >In the case of a directional, like WBZ, a fairly simple modification >of the phasor would allow them to run ND into one tower while >working on the other. With a little preparation that can be done without a phasor modification. I've gone in during the experimental period with a bridge, manufactured the needed jumpers, and recorded the crank positions (and all other necessary information) to run non-D on either tower (or, at one station, either of two selected towers in a 5-tower array). A little work in advance makes it possible to set up non-D for work on any tower. That came in handy a few years ago when a storm brought down one of two towers at a client station. I was able to get them back on quickly at 25% of their nominal power non-D (which is exactly what we were given in the subsequent STA). Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From mward@iname.com Mon Jun 13 16:39:38 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:39:38 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > For whatever reason, CBS corporate just seems to believe in keeping things > separate - even in San Francisco and NYC, there's no physical connection > between the radio and TV plants in the same building. In San Francisco, KCBS used to be up in one of the Embarcadero towers. They moved it in with KPIX on Battery, and you are 100% correct...there is NO physical connection between the KCBS and KPIX facilities. Each has separate news and operations areas, and there MAY be a way to get between them in the halls by going past the front desk. But you could spend the day on Battery visiting KCBS, like I did some time ago, and not even REALIZE that a TV station is in the building. Oddly enough, there is some collaboration on-air between the two, mostly feature stuff, at least one reporter who works on both sides, and KPIX does off-hours weather for KCBS, but NO physical connection other than the walls they share. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 16:44:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:44:33 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CB4209C12CE48D9A626683AB6148AC2@SatU205S5044> In this case 10 kW is worth even less than 45% of 50 kW because the half-wave towers in Hull are a lot more efficient than the short aux tower in Allston. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:18 PM Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > WBZ (AM) loses a lot when they have to run 10 kW for extended > periods (during weekdays) every time the salt air peels the paint > off the ancient towers in Hull. Ten kW gives you only (very rough > quick-and-dirty math here, based on non-directional antennas) about > 45 percent of the signal you get from 50 kW. And that doesn't take > into account that their directional pattern from Hull pushes out > something in the neighborhood of 90 kW or 100 kW equivalent at its > maximum point(which is just about due west). > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 15:56:28 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:56:28 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Boston is configured the way it is because Westinghouse designed it that > way, not because CBS wanted it that way. > > >> BUT - CBS IS Westinghouse :) Harvard obviously has something in mind....but Harvard thinks 50-100 years ahead. They made a mistake 100 years ago when they did not lock up the land on the Cambridge side south of Harvard Yard. They will never make that error again. BTW I assume 68 is still in the Ground Round /HoJo's building that WBZ helped closed when they made it off-limits to employees after work. High profile arrest of some news talent was the reason. Ground Round had a captive audience next door for lunch/dinner. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 13 16:46:52 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:46:52 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF6773C.1010300@attorneyross.com> On 6/13/2011 3:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > There are very, very, VERY few AMs with completely separate aux sites. > Beyond WBZ and WCCO, I'm hard-pressed to think of any. The more common > arrangement for AMs with any aux at all is to erect a separate shorter > tower at the main site, as most of the I-A AMs have done. In the case > of a directional, like WBZ, a fairly simple modification of the phasor > would allow them to run ND into one tower while working on the other. But how long would they have to shut down completely to do that? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 13 18:12:57 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:12:57 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> <19958.28981.728138.360942@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19958.35689.389913.560003@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Mouse could easily move some operations to Bristol to get away from NABET as > ESPN has never had a union to deal with in the cowfields of Bristol. Are the unions so ill-thought-of that they can no longer win an organizing ballot? Or are they just waiting for card check to come back (fat chance)? -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 17:21:04 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <226322.78278.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 6/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Ground Round lost booze license after > a now channel 5 anchor was nailed. > They also had problems with a sports anchor between 6-11. This says that both times, Randy Price wasn't popped because of the Ground Round. http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/1in10/97/03/PRICE.html (I didn't remember the first one. Nowadays, I doubt you'd see most anchors be able to keep their jobs after a DUI.) From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 18:19:24 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:19:24 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <226322.78278.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <226322.78278.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF68CEC.1080309@fybush.com> On 6/13/2011 5:21 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Mon, 6/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Ground Round lost booze license after >> a now channel 5 anchor was nailed. >> They also had problems with a sports anchor between 6-11. > > This says that both times, Randy Price wasn't popped because of the Ground Round. > > http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/1in10/97/03/PRICE.html "The first was in December 1991 when he was stopped in Brighton at 4:50 a.m. for driving the wrong way down Soldiers Field Road after leaving a Children's Hospital Telethon party at WBZ." I'm pretty sure that party was at the Ground Round, after work. s From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 13 18:25:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:25:59 +0000 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF68CEC.1080309@fybush.com> References: <226322.78278.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4DF68CEC.1080309@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1709441223-1308003960-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-200607292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Ground Round was cited for over serving and after hours - wasn't a one time violation either. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Fybush Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:19:24 To: Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? On 6/13/2011 5:21 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Mon, 6/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Ground Round lost booze license after >> a now channel 5 anchor was nailed. >> They also had problems with a sports anchor between 6-11. > > This says that both times, Randy Price wasn't popped because of the Ground Round. > > http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/1in10/97/03/PRICE.html "The first was in December 1991 when he was stopped in Brighton at 4:50 a.m. for driving the wrong way down Soldiers Field Road after leaving a Children's Hospital Telethon party at WBZ." I'm pretty sure that party was at the Ground Round, after work. s From sid@wrko.com Mon Jun 13 16:32:39 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:32:39 +0000 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA16BAB6@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "I imagine they'd need to find a new location for the auxiliary radio transmitter. Maybe that isn't much of a problem these days. Perhaps they could put it out near the existing television tower at Route 128. Or perhaps they could acquire a site somewhere else." Unfortunately it's a HUGE problem, especially for a series-fed AM tower which requires a ground system (read: lots of land). In an overgrown metro area like Boston, there are precious few areas where you could build an AM tower without a zoning variance and/or heavy opposition from local residents. There's nothing these days which will bring the NIMBYs out in force like a proposal to build a tower in their neighborhood...and I'm speaking from first-hand experience. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 20:35:15 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:35:15 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> <4DF6773C.1010300@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Would take about as long as a pattern change. In modern antenna systems, usually less than 1 second. WXKS (AM) and WRCA are the best examples around here. As long as you are in an area where the signal strength doesn't change much, you have to be listening very carefully or you will miss the pattern change; it's not as long as a syllable. I don't listen to WEEI that much, but they used to have the longest pattern changes (the time varied from day to day but they sometimes took close to 10 seconds). I don't know whether Entercom has recently updated the antenna system and really sped up the pattern change, but I caught one within the last couple of weeks that must have taken no more than 1 second. But I have to ask this question: WBZ's towers are only about 1/4 wavelength apart. Assuming the phasor were set up to ground either tower and send substantial power (say 25 kW) into the other tower, wouldn't someone working on the grounded tower--say, at a height at which the active tower's RF current were maximum--be exposed to a hazardous RF magnetic field? (If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the current maximum occur half way up a half-wave tower?) 1 MHz may not be considered ionizing radiation. If that's the case, maybe there would be no problem, but does anybody know for sure? Dale? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > On 6/13/2011 3:43 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > > >> There are very, very, VERY few AMs with completely separate aux >> sites. Beyond WBZ and WCCO, I'm hard-pressed to think of any. The >> more common arrangement for AMs with any aux at all is to erect a >> separate shorter tower at the main site, as most of the I-A AMs >> have done. In the case of a directional, like WBZ, a fairly simple >> modification of the phasor would allow them to run ND into one >> tower while working on the other. > > But how long would they have to shut down completely to do that? > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 13 21:13:58 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:13:58 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA16BAB6@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA16BAB6@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <19958.46550.458300.673773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Unfortunately it's a HUGE problem, especially for a series-fed AM > tower which requires a ground system (read: lots of land). Hmmm. 350 Cedar is tall enough for a Franklin on 1030. No, that's a crazy idea, forget I ever said anything. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 21:31:49 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:31:49 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <451250.15406.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><869439086-1307973324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857293326-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><235721.28962.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4DF6639A.7060901@attorneyross.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA16BAB6@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <19958.46550.458300.673773@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5A7CBEF4E60E46BBBAFC428BF9E73433@SatU205S5044> Sorry (well maybe not _really_ sorry), couldn't resist: Too tall, actually, by at least 50%. But what is your proposal for electrically isolating the upper and lower elements of the Franklin from the tower structure and from each other? It appears that you are proposing some sort of Folded Unipole Franklin. I think that if such an antenna were practical, it would have been built decades ago. Franklins require electrical isolation in the middle and a series feed to the two elements above and below a center insulator. That insulator, high above the ground and supporting the weight of the upper element, is, I believe, considered to be the Achilles' heel of the design. There was plenty of incentive to do away with the insulator, but never any viable suggestions on how to do it, AFAIK. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: RE: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > < > said: > >> Unfortunately it's a HUGE problem, especially for a series-fed AM >> tower which requires a ground system (read: lots of land). > > Hmmm. > > 350 Cedar is tall enough for a Franklin on 1030. > > No, that's a crazy idea, forget I ever said anything. > > -GAWollman > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jun 13 21:35:54 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> <4DF6773C.1010300@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110613210014.027e3ff0@plymouthcolony.net> At 08:35 PM 6/13/2011, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >But I have to ask this question: WBZ's towers are only about 1/4 >wavelength apart. Assuming the phasor were set up to ground either >tower and send substantial power (say 25 kW) into the other tower, >wouldn't someone working on the grounded tower--say, at a height at >which the active tower's RF current were maximum--be exposed to a >hazardous RF magnetic field? Especially with towers over 90 degrees in height (WBZ's towers are 188.5 degrees tall) and often with shorter towers the normal practice, in my experience, is to anti-resonate the undriven tower so it will not re-radiate energy from the driven tower during non-D operation. I have had to do that in a 5-tower array so that the three towers not used in the day pattern would not re-radiate and disturb the day pattern. Anti-resonating undriven towers also protects a crew working on one of them. For those curious about such things, this was WLVA, Lynchburg, VA, which was built in 1948 with four self-supporting towers (later top-loaded) in an endfire array, 1 kw night and day with different patterns. A fifth tower, much shorter than the four originals and guyed, was added for a 1986 CP to increase day power from 1 kw to 5 kw (the fifth tower was used with the third original tower for the new cardioid day pattern). Since the fifth tower was relatively short and about a half-wave from the 1948 array, it could be floated at night without disturbing the night pattern. After I was brought in towers 1, 2 and 4 were anti-resonated during the day to avoid disturbing the day pattern, as 2 and 4 in particular were picking up a lot of energy from 3 during the day (3 was getting about 2/3 of the power in the 5 kw day pattern). Although the CP was granted in 1986 the owners went through nearly a decade of CP extensions without getting things to work, until I was brought in with another engineer, we rebuilt both phasors and all 6 ATUs (3 had differnt day and night ATUs). I rebuilt the night phasor and the four night ATUs almost single-handed. We got it working - the license to cover was granted in 1996. Because we rebuilt so much we had to proof 12 radials, with some of those common to both patterns. As noted upstream I've sometimes made arrangements to have two non-D configurations ready to go for tower work (easy in most of my career because most of the stations I have worked for in the last 30+ years have had two tower arrays). Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jun 13 21:52:16 2011 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:52:16 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: References: <939824.34780.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DF66852.4000606@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4DF6BED0.5020707@ttlc.net> On 6/13/2011 3:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > BTW I assume 68 is still in the Ground Round /HoJo's building that > WBZhelped closed when they made it off-limits to employees after work. > Highprofile arrest of some news talent was the reason. Ground Round > had acaptive audience next door for lunch/dinner. I recall in 1968, that in TV Engineering, HoJo's was referred to by the code word "Annex" as in "he's not here right now, probably over in the Annex. I'll have him call you when he gets back." From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:23:54 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: <735096.53403.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I believe the reason is that that's how they manage the company: > there's a radio segment, a television segment, an outdoor > segment, and so on.? That's what gives you all those crazy internal > economies where radio is paying rent to TV and so on . . . ? ? Ugh. You've reminded me that radio and TV -- generally, not just by CBS -- seem to be managed most often without regard for what will help make the product better. (In this case, grouping some radio and TV together instead of robotically separating them.) I usually try not to think about this :)) > When you consider the past efforts to get "synergy" at Westinghouse >and CBS mostly ended in failure, there's not much reason to believe >that there is any achievable cost savings as a result of having them >all in the same place.? The current extent of "synergy" is having TV >weather people do the radio weather forecasts, and running the >occasional segment from the CBS Evening at 7:04p.? Neither of these >require the TV people to be in the same building as the radio people. ? ? I was thinking of what you might call invisible synergy -- sharing tips, information, ideas. Things that are not necessarily obvious on the air. There's still value to personal interaction and relationships on the job -- in the vernacular, people helping each other out on occasion. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 13 22:27:11 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:27:11 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <768711.25738.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2494FE5FE67349A993057934444B9B13@SatU205S5044> American Tower owns the 1150/1470 site. AFAIK, Salem owns the 950 site. Don't know who owns the 590 site, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Salem. Don't know who owns the 890/1060 site. 1090 is already diplexed (with 1430). Clear Channel may own the site, but I don't know that they do. Anyhow, as you point out, 1030 and 1090 are extremely close in frequency for diplexing, although diplexing has been done with stations separated in frequency by less than 5% of the higher frequency. The closest pair I know of are in Santa Barbara on 1290 and 1340, but these are both low-power stations and it's a single tower site. Also, little else is right for WBZ about the 1430/1090 site. Triplex with 1430 and 1090--not good. Towers very short. Unlikely that the towers could handle any reasonable additional power for a WBZ aux. A diplex of 1030 and 1060 is absolutely out of the question! 950 and 1030 are also kind of close in frequency. 950 has a dynamite signal for 5 kW, but if WBZ's own site couldn't be used per Scott's suggestion, why would you use the 950 site, especially in view of the flooding problem? There are still the 850 and 680 sites, either of which would be good, with 850 looking like the better choice for an ND diplex with WBZ. Oh, the downside of using the WBZ Hull site as an aux as well as a main is the flooding problem there. Not as bad as the flooding problem is Saugus, but bad enough to raise questions. I don't know of a flooding problem at the 850 or 680 sites. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:43 PM Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The best place for a WBZ aux would be the WEZE site at Wellington > Circle. If it were me, I would want to own the site in order to have full control. That might be possible by buying a site from one of the smaller stations and giving that station a long-term sweetheart deal on use of the facilities. Without knowing any of the tech factors, WAMG (890), WROL, WQOM (1060 -- or is that too close?) WILD and WWDJ (1150) come to mind. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:43:18 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: <768711.25738.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The best place for a WBZ aux would be the WEZE site at Wellington > Circle. ? ? If it were me, I would want to own the site in order to have full control. That might be possible by buying a site from one of the smaller stations and giving that station a long-term sweetheart deal on use of the facilities. Without knowing any of the tech factors, WAMG (890), WROL, WQOM (1060 -- or is that too close?) WILD and WWDJ (1150) come to mind.??? From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 13 23:27:57 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:27:57 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? In-Reply-To: <2494FE5FE67349A993057934444B9B13@SatU205S5044> References: <768711.25738.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2494FE5FE67349A993057934444B9B13@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4DF6D53D.20209@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > American Tower owns the 1150/1470 site. AFAIK, Salem owns the 950 site. > Don't know who owns the 590 site, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Salem. Salem at least owns the towers, if not the underlying land. The towers are registered to "Pennsylvania Media Associates" (a Salem shell company) at Salem's Camarillo, CA address. > Don't know who owns the 890/1060 site. "METRO-BOSTON BROADCASTING, INC. DBA = TOWER SITES, LIMITED," with an address in Georgetown, TX. I don't know who that really is. > 1090 is already diplexed (with > 1430). Clear Channel may own the site, but I don't know that they do. > Anyhow, as you point out, 1030 and 1090 are extremely close in frequency > for diplexing, although diplexing has been done with stations separated > in frequency by less than 5% of the higher frequency. The closest pair I > know of are in Santa Barbara on 1290 and 1340, but these are both > low-power stations and it's a single tower site. Also, little else is > right for WBZ about the 1430/1090 site. Triplex with 1430 and 1090--not > good. Towers very short. Unlikely that the towers could handle any > reasonable additional power for a WBZ aux. A diplex of 1030 and 1060 is > absolutely out of the question! Clear Channel does own the 1430/1090 site. It would not be necessary to diplex 1090 and 1030, however. 1090 uses only one of the two towers in the array, after all, so 1030 could go into the other one, diplexed with 1430. (But, yes, they're skinny little things and not very tall, either.) > 950 and 1030 are also kind of close in > frequency. 950 has a dynamite signal for 5 kW, but if WBZ's own site > couldn't be used per Scott's suggestion, why would you use the 950 site, > especially in view of the flooding problem? There are still the 850 and > 680 sites, either of which would be good, with 850 looking like the > better choice for an ND diplex with WBZ. And Entercom would want its direct format competitor (to both of its big AMs) on its AM towers why exactly? Since we're talking about what's essentially an emergency auxiliary antenna, I still think the best bet might be some sort of folded unipole strung on the tower behind the CBS Radio studios. It's an industrial/commercial area that's unlikely to generate much in the way of NIMBY action, and the entire facility would be under CBS control this way. As for the WBZ-TV tower...remember that CBS doesn't own it anymore. What would Richland charge for stringing a folded unipole all the way up that beast? > Oh, the downside of using the WBZ Hull site as an aux as well as a main > is the flooding problem there. Not as bad as the flooding problem is > Saugus, but bad enough to raise questions. I don't know of a flooding > problem at the 850 or 680 sites. I don't think the flooding problem at Hull is so serious as to render it unusable as an aux site. How often have the elevated tower bases gone under water in the 71 years the site's been in use? s From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 13 22:09:45 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:09:45 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: <20110613220945.uaxzhf7vy8sw8ckg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Screw up 'BZ's flamethrower signal to coastal Maine and I shall be VERY unhappy. ?-Doug On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:52:16 -0400, Roger Kirk wrote: > > On 6/13/2011 3:56 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > BTW I assume 68 is still in the Ground Round /HoJo's building that > > WBZhelped closed when they made it off-limits to employees after > work. > Highprofile arrest of some news talent was the reason. Ground > Round > had acaptive audience next door for lunch/dinner. > > I recall in 1968, that in TV Engineering, HoJo's was referred to by > the code word "Annex" as in "he's not here right now, probably over > in the Annex. I'll have him call you when he gets back." > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 14 06:20:36 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:20:36 -0400 Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? References: <768711.25738.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2494FE5FE67349A993057934444B9B13@SatU205S5044> <4DF6D53D.20209@fybush.com> Message-ID: Well, wasn't one of those times during the blizzard of '78--clearly a time when the signal was needed most! Allston was there as the backup and WBZ remained on the air. Today, I suppose, in a similar emergency, WBZ could pre-empt the sports on 98.5, but under emergency conditions, what would be the impact of having no signal on the frequency on which the entire region has for more than 3/4 of a century depended for news and public-safety announcements? Ater the fact, CBS could, of course, allay some of the negative publicity by touting the fact that the emergency was an act of God, but at least a few of us would know that the company, with all of its resources, failed to adequately plan for the emergency. As for having an emegency auxilliary site at a site owned by a competing broadcasting company, there must be many such situations in US radio. Even though US broadcasting companies have a long tradition of intense competition, they also have an equally long tradition of helping each other out in times of emergency--especially when the public welfare is in jeopardy. Entercom made quite a name for itself in the wake of Hurricane Katrina as the operator of New Orleans' only Class A AM, WWL. No doubt, if WBZ were off the air from Hull and had to use an auxiliary at Entercom's Needham site, Entercom would want (and I believe, would receive) all of the good publicity they could get out of their public-spirited role (for which, lets not forget, CBS would be paying handsomely--in the form of rent every month). And speaking of situations in which the public welfare could be in jeopardy, suppose we had to deal with FukuShima New England. What are the distances of Hull and Needham from Plymouth? If Hull and Allston were in the evacuation zone and Needham were not, I could see WBZ, WBZ-FM, WEEI and WRKO all broadcasting from improvised emergency mobile studios at the WEEI Tx site, or maybe even the WRKO site. Even maybe from the WVEI studios in Worcester--if, indeed, such studios exist. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Re: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? > > I don't think the flooding problem at Hull is so serious as to > render it unusable as an aux site. How often have the elevated tower > bases gone under water in the 71 years the site's been in use? > > s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jun 14 12:09:03 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:09:03 +0000 Subject: Herald: Doug Meehan to replace Jay Severin Message-ID: <20110614160903.138550@gmx.com> The Herald's Jessica Heslam says WTKK will announce today that former Ch 7 and Ch 25 reporter Doug Meehan has gotten Jay Severin's old 2-6 pm time slot. He had been doing tryouts (and also did a 2 day tryout on WRKO with Marga Bessette co-hosting) http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/mediaBiz/index.php/2011/06/14/doug-meehan-to-replace-severin-on-wtkk/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 14 13:52:12 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: Donna at Porter Square Books In-Reply-To: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <727568.29807.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF79FCC.9090009@donnahalper.com> If you are in the Cambridge area on Thursday night at 7 pm, I am giving a talk at Porter Square Books, about my book but also about radio in Cambridge, from its first station way back in 1927, up to WXHR, WTAO, and of course, WCAS and WJIB. I will of course bring rare memorabilia. And Porter Square Books also serves wonderful coffee & pastries. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 16:09:50 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How much longer will WBZ stay at 1170 SFR? Message-ID: <370845.78810.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > As for having an emegency auxilliary site at a site owned > by a competing broadcasting company, there must be many such > situations in US radio. ???Maybe my statement was just my control-freak evil twin taking over the keyboard :)). ???In a perfect, non-NIMBY world, IMO, the best backup location in most respects is at the studios. WBZ (AM) might even be able to accomplish that at a new place, if it were in some office / light industrial park type of place. ???The studio location takes care of issues that include a Murphy's law incident in which all the program circuits to the main site are out. The engineers are right there if the aux transmitter gives trouble. Etc. ???And backups at the main site always are subject to failure if the cause of the main transmitter/antenna failure is catastrophic -- tornado (which I imagine was one of WCCO's considerations out there in the vast flatlands), hurricane, Blizzard of '78, terrorist bombing, etc. From irw@well.com Wed Jun 15 15:55:42 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WSCS' Donald Coonley dies Message-ID: Donald Coonley, a media professor at New Hampshire's Colby-Sawyer College has died of heart complications. He was 68. He taught at Colby-Sawyer from 1989 to 2008 and launched a community radio station, WSCS-FM. More on the Boston Globe's website. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From irw@well.com Wed Jun 15 15:55:42 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WSCS' Donald Coonley dies Message-ID: Donald Coonley, a media professor at New Hampshire's Colby-Sawyer College has died of heart complications. He was 68. He taught at Colby-Sawyer from 1989 to 2008 and launched a community radio station, WSCS-FM. More on the Boston Globe's website. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From irw@well.com Wed Jun 15 15:59:07 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Network TV to WSBK Message-ID: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to CBS' WSBK. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From irw@well.com Wed Jun 15 15:59:07 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Network TV to WSBK Message-ID: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to CBS' WSBK. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 17:28:41 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <974796.94882.qm@web161310.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I guess this means that the WBZ News on TV38 (or whatever they're calling it) is history once again. I wonder if this was Binnie's choice or Fox's. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 18:27:57 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bruins simulcast Message-ID: <436448.59274.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> For all the ships at sea and everyone who's beyond the horizon . . . WBZ (AM) says it will simulcast the WBZ-FM play-by-play starting shortly after 8 p.m., to be followed by Dan Rea celebrating or moping (my word) with the fans . . . From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Wed Jun 15 16:51:13 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:13 -0400 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK Message-ID: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> So . . . given that we don't get My Network up here, what's on it that's worth watching? ? I don't know much of anything about it. ?-Doug On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT), Blaine Thompson wrote: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to > CBS' WSBK. > > - Blaine > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch > irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Wed Jun 15 16:51:13 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:13 -0400 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK Message-ID: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> So . . . given that we don't get My Network up here, what's on it that's worth watching? ? I don't know much of anything about it. ?-Doug On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT), Blaine Thompson wrote: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to > CBS' WSBK. > > - Blaine > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch > irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 15 19:42:45 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:42:45 +0000 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Well it gets My into Canada - WSBK still on many systems - including Vancouver -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Drown" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:13 To: Boston -- Boston; BRI; Blaine Thompson Subject: Re: My Network TV to WSBK So . . . given that we don't get My Network up here, what's on it that's worth watching? ? I don't know much of anything about it. ?-Doug On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT), Blaine Thompson wrote: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to > CBS' WSBK. > > - Blaine > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch > irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 19:36:08 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bruins simulcast In-Reply-To: <436448.59274.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <250976.9373.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 6/15/11, Martin Waters wrote: > ? ? For all the ships at > sea and everyone who's beyond the horizon . . . > > ???WBZ (AM) says it will simulcast the > WBZ-FM play-by-play starting shortly after 8 p.m., to be > followed by Dan Rea celebrating or moping (my word) with the > fans . . . Very nice, although I wish they'd done this for the entire Finals. It's a big enough event to warrant that. I get out of work at 10 (fingers crossed) and will be on the road for a bit, so having this on 1030 will be a treat. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 15 19:42:45 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:42:45 +0000 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Well it gets My into Canada - WSBK still on many systems - including Vancouver -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Drown" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:13 To: Boston -- Boston; BRI; Blaine Thompson Subject: Re: My Network TV to WSBK So . . . given that we don't get My Network up here, what's on it that's worth watching? ? I don't know much of anything about it. ?-Doug On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT), Blaine Thompson wrote: TVNewsCheck.com reports that WBIN will lose My Network TV programming to > CBS' WSBK. > > - Blaine > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch > irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net > AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 15 20:09:08 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:09:08 -0400 Subject: Bruins simulcast In-Reply-To: <436448.59274.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <436448.59274.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DF949A4.9010806@donnahalper.com> On 6/15/2011 6:27 PM, Martin Waters wrote: > WBZ (AM) says it will simulcast the WBZ-FM play-by-play starting shortly after 8 p.m., to be followed by Dan Rea celebrating or moping (my word) with the fans . . . > > Remember every time the late great David Brudnoy was preempted by hockey, he'd say he wasn't gonna be on because of "another exciting hockey game." Oh and as a historian, this is taking it back to where it all began-- the very first broadcast of a Bruins game was on WBZ, 1 December 1924. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 20:16:35 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <73032.9349.qm@web161316.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> According to B&C it may not be a done deal: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/469784-Boston_Area_MyNet_WBIN_Going_Independent.php?rssid=20065 If WSBK doesn't get it then it wouldn't be a surprise if Fox puts it on 25.2. Originally MY was going to run middays on WFXT before WZYM signed on as the Boston affiliate. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 15 21:29:01 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:29:01 -0400 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DF95C5D.80804@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Well it gets My into Canada - WSBK still on many systems - including Vancouver WSBK is one of a handful of US stations still designated as "superstations" for the purpose of Canadian cable/satellite distribution. Let's see if I can remember all of them: WSBK, WPIX, KWGN, KTLA...and channel 17 in Atlanta, which is still distributed nationally in Canada in its independent "WPCH-TV" incarnation, long after the US was switched over to the national "TBS" service. I think Canada may also get the Chicago feed of WGN-TV instead of the "WGN America" national feed, but wouldn't swear to that, especially when distracted by hockey! s From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 15 21:29:01 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:29:01 -0400 Subject: My Network TV to WSBK In-Reply-To: <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110615165113.zfiu4f9hc404o0kk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <527057300-1308181366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1298593292-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4DF95C5D.80804@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Well it gets My into Canada - WSBK still on many systems - including Vancouver WSBK is one of a handful of US stations still designated as "superstations" for the purpose of Canadian cable/satellite distribution. Let's see if I can remember all of them: WSBK, WPIX, KWGN, KTLA...and channel 17 in Atlanta, which is still distributed nationally in Canada in its independent "WPCH-TV" incarnation, long after the US was switched over to the national "TBS" service. I think Canada may also get the Chicago feed of WGN-TV instead of the "WGN America" national feed, but wouldn't swear to that, especially when distracted by hockey! s From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 15 21:38:59 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:38:59 -0400 Subject: A little entertainment for second intermission... Message-ID: <4DF95EB3.1060806@fybush.com> ...or, "It was 20 years ago today." While you're all biting your nails over the outcome of Game 7 (me too), here's a fun bit of audio: the WCAP 9:00 news, 20 years ago this very morning, as a young newsguy made his debut as a paid employee... http://www.fybush.com/fybushmedia/19910615-0900-wcap-sdffirstnewscast.mp3 I like to think I've learned a little something since then (but you can decide for yourself this week and next Tuesday-Wednesday, 4-6:30 PM on the AM 1370 stream at wxxi.org...) s From dave@skywaves.net Wed Jun 15 23:15:49 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:15:49 -0400 Subject: Boston Wins! Message-ID: yep, the subject says it all... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 00:15:31 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston Wins! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <904051.91940.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 6/15/11, Dave Doherty wrote: > yep, the subject says it all... ObRadio: WEEI is live all night. A pleasant surprise. Presume 98.5 will do the same. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 16 06:35:20 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:35:20 -0400 Subject: A little entertainment for second intermission... References: <4DF95EB3.1060806@fybush.com> Message-ID: <25B94581A46B4489B9A7C53BBB922DA0@SatU205S5044> Hi, Scott: I've got to confess that I don't listen to WCAP all that much, and I don't think I ever heard you live on the air at WCAP, but I also have to say that I don't recall hearing WCAP sounding as good as it does on the tape of your first day there! Not only did you sound great but the production was superb. Did you have anything to do with that? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: A little entertainment for second intermission... > ...or, "It was 20 years ago today." > > While you're all biting your nails over the outcome of Game 7 (me > too), here's a fun bit of audio: the WCAP 9:00 news, 20 years ago > this very morning, as a young newsguy made his debut as a paid > employee... > > http://www.fybush.com/fybushmedia/19910615-0900-wcap-sdffirstnewscast.mp3 > > I like to think I've learned a little something since then (but you > can decide for yourself this week and next Tuesday-Wednesday, 4-6:30 > PM on the AM 1370 stream at wxxi.org...) > > s From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 16 12:11:00 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: Donna tonight at Porter Square Books In-Reply-To: <25B94581A46B4489B9A7C53BBB922DA0@SatU205S5044> References: <4DF95EB3.1060806@fybush.com> <25B94581A46B4489B9A7C53BBB922DA0@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4DFA2B14.6080208@donnahalper.com> Hope to see some of you tonight at Porter Square Books, where I plan to talk a bit about Cambridge radio history in addition to other topics related to my book. For now, the new Bruins T shirts are already in, and I am off to buy one!!! What a great story-- even the late great David Brudnoy, who hated hockey, would probably be smiling over this one. And it was nice to see some of the local TV stations stay on the air live and local for a while during the late night. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jun 16 12:57:40 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:57:40 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> On 6/16/2011 12:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Guess what: WBZ would not have as easy a time as we thought in > establishing a replacement aux site. The main problem is a > never-to-be-built CP for a station in Moncton NB, exactly 400 miles > from Hull, with 30 kW-D and 1 kW-N DA-2. The day and night patterns > are similar but not quite identical (modified cardioids using the same > three towers and aimed east-northeastward) protecting WBZ. Despite the > fact that CBA's old 50 kW-U ND assignment is also for Moncton and is > only 40 kHz up the dial, the 1030 assignmemt must be protected as must > all Canadian assignments that are notified to the US. I'm not so sure - remember that 1030 is a U.S. class A clear channel, so the protections that apply would be at the US/Canadian border, not at the actual Moncton site, I'd think. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 16 12:54:08 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:54:08 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ Message-ID: Guess what: WBZ would not have as easy a time as we thought in establishing a replacement aux site. The main problem is a never-to-be-built CP for a station in Moncton NB, exactly 400 miles from Hull, with 30 kW-D and 1 kW-N DA-2. The day and night patterns are similar but not quite identical (modified cardioids using the same three towers and aimed east-northeastward) protecting WBZ. Despite the fact that CBA's old 50 kW-U ND assignment is also for Moncton and is only 40 kHz up the dial, the 1030 assignmemt must be protected as must all Canadian assignments that are notified to the US. Since WBZ's inverse-distance field toward this "station" is 1071 mV/m @ 1 km (the equivalent of ~10 kW ND into a 1/4-wave tower), that's all she wrote, unless WBZ wants to build a directional facility. That pushes the WEZE site, with its two 340' towers, higher up on the list of candidate sites. Using the WEZE site and a pattern that could be synthesized with WEZE's two existing towers, substantially higher power would be possible--perhaps as much as 25 kW. The limit would now be WOSO, the AM 1030 in San Juan PR. Because of its directionl pattern, WBZ's signal directly to the west of Hull is equivalent to ~100 kW ND into a 1/2-wave tower, but the signal toward San Juan is the equivalent of only a little less than 50 kW-ND. With a power of ~25 kW, the pattern that could be created with WEZE's two widely spaced towers would probably send the same strength signal toward San Juan as does WBZ's existing DA-1 pattern. If WBZ were to strike a deal with Entercom to use WEEI's easternmost (and shortest) tower, which is 211 degrees at 1030, the power would be limited to just a bit more than 5 kW ND. WEEI's two other towers are too tall for 1030. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From stevesnow1@gmail.com Fri Jun 10 12:56:54 2011 From: stevesnow1@gmail.com (Steve Snow) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:56:54 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Message-ID: Just to throw another monkey-wrench in the works here, was there any attempt to activate EAS at any or all of the stations in the area that everybody is upset with... I know that EAS is currently an "evolvling paradigm" these days, but I understand it is used to good effect in the midwest where tornadoes are a more frequent occurrence and a more familiar presence. Maybe before pillorying the stations themselves we need to look at the system that was intended to serve just that purpose (warning the public) and wonder why there hasn't been more of an effort to get it into shape so that the folks that know (or are at least paid to know) what effects a storm will have can activate EAS and put out the warning in a timely manner and not rely solely on VHF warning broadcasts that most people don't yet have access to. On top of it all, these systems don't even require anybody to be present at the stations if they are working correctly! (And woe be to those stations that wouldn't have activated... they really do deserve some wrath.) Its not as if there isn't any precedent for this - just look to the east and the Worcester area's history to be a guide. Just because it doesn't happen frequently isn't any excuse for taking the danger lightly! From lglavin@mail.com Sun Jun 12 14:08:48 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:08:48 +0000 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) Message-ID: <20110612180848.23690@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Laurence >Sent: 06/11/11 06:28 PM >To: Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) >Subject: Re: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) >On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) wrote: > News coverage is expensive as is breaking news coverage. What prevents stations from contracting advertisers to commit to sponsoring breaking events so that when the added >resources are expended, there is new money behind it (and a listener spike that goes with those events)? >It's not a bad idea, and it's been done to some extent with snowstorms. Campbell's Soup, for one, has place spots to run adjacent to weather reports during blizzards. But I >think it would be tough to sell most companies upfront on "breaking news" of an unknown story. Think about the stomach-churning nature of some news bulletins: the President is >assassinated, the space shuttle explodes, Wall Street has a meltdown, the nearby nuclear plant has a meltdown, inner city riots erupt, the list could go on. Who wants to be >selling cars and recliners and fee-free checking accounts in that kind of atmosphere? >Mark As I recall, American Airlines, when they sponsored "Music Through the Night" did exactly the opposite when there was a major crash involving a passenger airline resulting in fatalities. Then they would refrain from inserting any commercials between the selections for a few days. Of course, they were sponsoring the show. Nowadays, with spot radio and television, you can hear or see a prescription drug commercial right before or after a negative story involving the pharma industry, but not the particular offender. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jun 16 14:10:57 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:10:57 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001cc2c50$c203b350$460b19f0$@ma@comcast.net> Maybe it's time, in the post-Stanley cup euphoria, to renegotiate the treaty with Canada. The idea of a class A American station having to protect a Canadian station that never existed is pretty ridiculous. I can understand they want to protect their rights on those stations that have recently gone dark (such as 690 and 940 in Montreal), but we ought to negotiate a "use it or lose it" clause to get rid of these silly demands on stations that haven't been on AM for years. If you don't use the frequency after say 10 years, you lose the rights to protection on it. I means WWZN is still protecting CJRS in Sherbrooke and the Sherbrooke 1510 frequency hasn't been on the air since 1994 (the CJRS call letters now belong to a Montreal station). -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:54 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ Guess what: WBZ would not have as easy a time as we thought in establishing a replacement aux site. The main problem is a never-to-be-built CP for a station in Moncton NB, exactly 400 miles from Hull, with 30 kW-D and 1 kW-N DA-2. The day and night patterns are similar but not quite identical (modified cardioids using the same three towers and aimed east-northeastward) protecting WBZ. Despite the fact that CBA's old 50 kW-U ND assignment is also for Moncton and is only 40 kHz up the dial, the 1030 assignmemt must be protected as must all Canadian assignments that are notified to the US. From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jun 16 14:59:44 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:59:44 -0400 Subject: COOKOUT REMINDER Message-ID: <008701cc2c57$8f752de0$ae5f89a0$@com> Just a reminder...The 2011 Boston E-Mail Radio Interest Get Together and Cookout is this Saturday 2-5 at Gary's Ice Cream in Chelmsford. Hot Dogs, Hamburgers, and whatever folks would like to bring along. Food, fun, fellowship. Bring the family..if it's a hot day bring your swimsuit..the pool is next to the grill. More info at: http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm E-mail and let us know how many in your party so we can plan accordingly. -Gary Francis From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jun 16 16:44:13 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:44:13 -0400 Subject: COOKOUT REMINDER In-Reply-To: <6CB41F5E-2592-4E84-8B82-3C47B8780429@mac.com> References: <008701cc2c57$8f752de0$ae5f89a0$@com> <6CB41F5E-2592-4E84-8B82-3C47B8780429@mac.com> Message-ID: <00a701cc2c66$27ac2060$77046120$@com> What ever you'd like. Let me cover my eyes with duck tape -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil [mailto:kc1ih@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:55 PM To: Gary's Ice Cream Subject: Re: COOKOUT REMINDER On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > if it's a hot day bring your > swimsuit..the pool is next to the grill. You mean I can't swim nude? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 16 18:26:40 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:26:40 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> Message-ID: In this case, I don't think the fact that 1030 is a US Class A channel makes any difference. The Moncton station must protect WBZ at the US border, but I'm pretty sure that Moncton's NIF is established by WBZ's main signal. The reason anyone would have thought that the Moncton 1030 would be worth building is that it could take advantage of WBZ's westward-facing pattern, which substantially reduces radiation toward Moncton. Just like WCBS, which had to reduce the night power of its aux to protect Class B first-adjacent WAMG, WBZ's aux would run into a similar constraint in protecting a co-channel Class B in Moncton. (At 25 kW, WCBS's shorter aux tower would radiate more high-angle skywave than WCBS's main 207-degree stick radiates at 50 kW, so, at night, WCBS's aux has to cut back to 18 kW or something like that to protect WAMG. WFAN, which shares its main and aux towers with WCBS, has no such limitation because the Boston-area first adjacent to WFAN is WSRO, a (9W) Class D--as opposed to (6-kW) Class B WAMG.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Potential aux sites for WBZ > On 6/16/2011 12:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Guess what: WBZ would not have as easy a time as we thought in >> establishing a replacement aux site. The main problem is a >> never-to-be-built CP for a station in Moncton NB, exactly 400 miles >> from Hull, with 30 kW-D and 1 kW-N DA-2. The day and night patterns >> are similar but not quite identical (modified cardioids using the >> same >> three towers and aimed east-northeastward) protecting WBZ. Despite >> the >> fact that CBA's old 50 kW-U ND assignment is also for Moncton and >> is >> only 40 kHz up the dial, the 1030 assignmemt must be protected as >> must >> all Canadian assignments that are notified to the US. > > I'm not so sure - remember that 1030 is a U.S. class A clear > channel, so the protections that apply would be at the US/Canadian > border, not at the actual Moncton site, I'd think. > > s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 16 18:57:16 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:57:16 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> I guess I omitted my conclusion, which is: WBZ's aux can't radiate more toward Moncton than the greater of what WBZ's main radiates toward Moncton or what WBZ's existing aux radiates toward Moncton. WBZ's main radiates an inverse-distance field of 1071 mV/m @ 1 km toward Moncton. That's the equivalent of 10 kW ND from a quarter-wave tower or a bit more than 5 kW from a half wave tower. WBZ's existing 10 kW aux can't have a very efficient radiator, so the 1071 mV/m from a half-wave tower most likely imposes the limit on any proposed new aux. A directional signal with a west-facing pattern would be helpful in covering the market without interfering with Moncton. That leads to use of the WEZE site and both of its towers (which are more than 1/4 wave at 1030). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Potential aux sites for WBZ > In this case, I don't think the fact that 1030 is a US Class A > channel > makes any difference.> > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jun 16 23:43:28 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:43:28 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I guess I omitted my conclusion, which is: WBZ's aux can't radiate > more toward Moncton than the greater of what WBZ's main radiates > toward Moncton or what WBZ's existing aux radiates toward Moncton. There are a few assumptions here that I'm not sure I agree with. The first is that the paper allotment in Moncton was designed to provide the absolute maximum possible signal without creating interference to WBZ inside the US. I don't believe that to be the case here. It may well be that WBZ could show, if need be, that the hypothetical Moncton allocation could be cranked up to some higher power level to overcome any new interference from a relocated WBZ aux site, without causing new interference to WBZ on US soil. Since this is merely a paper facility, there's no compelling reason why it couldn't, if need be, be redrawn with 4 or 6 or 12 towers rather than the 3-tower array specified. The second assumption is that an AM auxiliary facility in the US needs to be reported separately to Canada. A check of Industry Canada's records (via cdbs.recnet.net) shows no auxiliary facilities reported to Canada for WCCO, WBZ, WFAN or WCBS. I suspect - but do not know with certainty - that as long as an auxiliary facility meets the FCC's criteria domestically, it may not require separate reporting to Canada or Mexico. Keep in mind that the issue with WCBS's aux vis a vis WAMG was a domestic issue, not an international one. I have skimmed the very long 1984 agreement between the US and Canada on cross-border radio, which is available here: http://transition.fcc.gov/ib/sand/agree/files/can-bc/can-am.pdf I don't see anything in it, at least on a first read, that addresses auxiliary AM facilities. (Pages 69 and 70 of the PDF seem to be the most relevant to this discussion.) There's one more point here about which I'm quite uncertain. It has always been my understanding that the two directional class I-A clears, WBZ and WWL, were considered to be directional at their own convenience and had no obligation to actually maintain the nulls specified in their licenses. (At least as of a few decades ago, the WBZ license did not specify any monitoring points and I was told that the station was not required to carry out directional proofs, there being nothing in its null requiring protection.) It's possible that the licensing of a fulltime 1030 in San Juan and the transition from NARBA to the 1981 Rio agreement and the subsequent 1984 Canada/US agreement changed that, at least on an international level, but I'm not well enough versed in international broadcast treaty law to say for sure. s From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 17 00:27:14 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:27:14 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com> References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19962.55202.692769.969372@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's possible that the licensing of a fulltime 1030 in San Juan and the > transition from NARBA to the 1981 Rio agreement and the subsequent 1984 > Canada/US agreement changed that, at least on an international level, > but I'm not well enough versed in international broadcast treaty law to > say for sure. Which raises the question, Who is? It seems pretty unlikely that anyone on staff at the Commission was involved in the negotiations, so I suspect they are very much operating on autopilot, and would be disinclined to authorize anything that might require a novel interpretation of any of the agreements. (FWIW, Bermuda never signed on to any of the newer agreements, so WPTR still protects ZNS1 under the old NARBA rules for class I-B stations.) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jun 17 02:53:49 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:53:49 -0400 Subject: COOKOUT REMINDER In-Reply-To: <00a701cc2c66$27ac2060$77046120$@com> References: <008701cc2c57$8f752de0$ae5f89a0$@com> <6CB41F5E-2592-4E84-8B82-3C47B8780429@mac.com> <00a701cc2c66$27ac2060$77046120$@com> Message-ID: There is just one, me; I already have about 6 2-ltr bottles of soda (and cups) which should hopefully be enough--Bob On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > What ever you'd like. ?Let me cover my eyes with duck tape From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Jun 17 14:48:44 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:48:44 -0400 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: <43E071C2AF744DCCA9E3CC9CC72C1F35@SatU205S5044> References: <43E071C2AF744DCCA9E3CC9CC72C1F35@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <014901cc2d1f$304b2950$90e17bf0$@com> The page will be updated by 1pm if necessary......our meteorologist (Rob Carolyn) says we should be fine. -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:09 PM To: gic Cc: Bob Nelson...WMWM Subject: Cookout Weather forcast for tomorrow (Saturday 6/18/2011) indicates a likelihood of showers. I assume that if it's necessary to switch to the alternate date of Sunday 6/19/2011 at ~2:00PM, you will post something at http://www.garysicecream.com/cookout.htm. However, to avoid making the trip in vain, it would be nice to know when tomorrow you will put up the posting about switching to the alternate date--assuming that the date change is necessary. It would be good if the posting were up no later than 1:00PM tomorrow. If necessary, can I get info or leave a message at 978-458-0100? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 14:54:29 2011 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WGBX 44-5 Message-ID: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members Favorites" John From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 16:08:27 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Canada's vacant AM assignments (Was RE: Potential aux sites for WBZ) Message-ID: <699308.76411.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Jim Hall wrote: > Maybe it's time, in the post-Stanley cup euphoria, to renegotiate the treaty with Canada. ? ? To do that, ISTM, the United States probably would have to give Canada something in return -- and I haven't yet thought of what that might be. ? ???Meanwhile, in some cases, U.S. stations have benefited a little from Canadians sutting down -- nighttime interference being reduced. ? ???One possible limited proposal might be that no new U.S. stations could be assigned but existing U.S. stations would be allowed to increase their nighttime power with a provision that it was temporary -- subject to being discontinued if Canada wanted to use the assignment again. In the real world, that seems highly unlikely. ? ???But, also in the real world, I wonder how many existing stations would benefit from this, as they'd still be hemmed in by existing interference limits vs. other domestic stations. From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 17 16:30:48 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:30:48 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> > WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members > Favorites" > Still in HD, as it was during the tests? s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jun 17 19:32:08 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:32:08 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> 44-5 is a simulcast of the regular 44-1 now. It appears to be in HD, though I can't say for sure since I'm watching on a SD TV. Jeff Lehmann On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, scott@fybush.com wrote: >> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members >> Favorites" >> > > Still in HD, as it was during the tests? > > s From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 17 21:16:42 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:16:42 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: <261BD4B7AE424A3E9C6352A4CD3FFCC7@SatU205S5044> I believe that 44-1 has done something to its video format to make room in the data stream for 44-5. My TV set is only a 26", so it doesn't do 1080 X 1920, but it does do 720 X 1280. I think that 44-1 used to be in 720 X 1280. Now, I think it's in 640 X 480. And watching Nightly Business Report has become quite an annoyance. No matter which format I select, the numbers on the far right side of the picture (in particular) but to a lesser extent, also those on the far left side of the picture, are cut off. I say picture and not screen because, if I choose the 4 X 3 format (which is the only format that doesn't either distort the picture or cut off the top and bottom of the picture), the picture occupies the full screen vertically but does not fill the screen horizontally. There is a wide vertical black bar beside the picture between each of the picture's vertical edges and the screen's nearest vertical edge. Until 44-5 started up, I didn't to have to fuss with the video format to get NBR to look right and I had no problems with cut-off numbers at the edges of the picture or loss of some of the picture at the top and bottom. Often, when the top and bottom of the picture are cut off, the name and title of the person speaking disappear off the bottom of the screen. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "John Bolduc" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: WGBX 44-5 >> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members >> Favorites" >> > > Still in HD, as it was during the tests? > > s From kenwvt@gmail.com Fri Jun 17 21:15:45 2011 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:15:45 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> Message-ID: I wonder how long before comcast and verizon pick up the channel. I assume they are required to do so. Ken On 6/17/11, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > 44-5 is a simulcast of the regular 44-1 now. It appears to be in HD, though > I can't say for sure since I'm watching on a SD TV. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, scott@fybush.com wrote: > >>> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members >>> Favorites" >>> >> >> Still in HD, as it was during the tests? >> >> s > > -- Sent from my mobile device From gary@garysicecream.com Fri Jun 17 23:18:46 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:18:46 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> I don't believe that Comcast is carrying any of the subchannels. I don't get any on my box.... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:16 PM To: Jeff Lehmann; scott@fybush.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WGBX 44-5 I wonder how long before comcast and verizon pick up the channel. I assume they are required to do so. Ken On 6/17/11, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > 44-5 is a simulcast of the regular 44-1 now. It appears to be in HD, though > I can't say for sure since I'm watching on a SD TV. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, scott@fybush.com wrote: > >>> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members >>> Favorites" >>> >> >> Still in HD, as it was during the tests? >> >> s > > -- Sent from my mobile device From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 17 23:14:19 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:14:19 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: <19962.55202.692769.969372@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com> <19962.55202.692769.969372@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4DFC180B.6010803@attorneyross.com> On 6/17/2011 12:27 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > (FWIW, Bermuda never signed on to any of the newer agreements, so WPTR > still protects ZNS1 under the old NARBA rules for class I-B stations.) When I was in Bermuda in 1966, the two island radio stations were ZBM and ZFB. I believe ZFB was brand new at the time. I think ZBM may have operated on two frequencies, but I don't remember what they were, but if WPTR has to protect ZNS1, I'm guessing that ZNS must be the former ZBM and that ZNS1 is one of the frequencies on which ZBM operated in 1966. Incidentally, one night, as I was pulling out of a restaurant parking lot at 1 AM on my rented moped, a VW pulled up next to me, and I clearly heard the WBZ news on the car's radio. It sounded like a local. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dave@skywaves.net Fri Jun 17 23:48:22 2011 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:48:22 -0400 Subject: Radio never warned me (regarding Spfld tornado) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve- I was in my home in Worcester on June 1, and I got more than 50 tornado and severe thunderstorm warnings on my Droid and in my email, so NWS Taunton was issuing them. In Providence, well away from the actual tornado area, WBRU broadcast three tornado warnings and a flash flood warning between 5:17PM and 6:57PM. So, NWS was issuing the warnings. Did the Springfield broadcasters forward them on? I have no way of knowing, but I hope there will be a post-mortem among the engineering community to see what was done, what might have been done better, and figure out how to do it. For almost 50 years before this year's Tuscaloosa tornado eclipsed it, the worst tornado death toll on record in the entire country was in Worcester on June 9, 1953 - another early summer event that should have put everyone in New England on notice that it can happen here. -d From kenwvt@gmail.com Sat Jun 18 00:06:23 2011 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:06:23 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> Message-ID: On Comcast I believe the GBX channels are on 209,217,218, and 237. They aren't identified as GBX but as GBH Create, GBH World, GBH Kids,and PBS kids sprout. I recently switched to Verizon FioS and they have them as well. -Ken On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I don't believe that Comcast is carrying any of the subchannels. I don't > get any on my box.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Ken VanTassell > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:16 PM > To: Jeff Lehmann; scott@fybush.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WGBX 44-5 > > I wonder how long before comcast and verizon pick up the channel. I > assume they are required to do so. > > Ken > > On 6/17/11, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > 44-5 is a simulcast of the regular 44-1 now. It appears to be in HD, > though > > I can't say for sure since I'm watching on a SD TV. > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, scott@fybush.com wrote: > > > >>> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members > >>> Favorites" > >>> > >> > >> Still in HD, as it was during the tests? > >> > >> s > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Jun 25 02:11:36 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:11:36 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: <4DFC180B.6010803@attorneyross.com> References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com><19962.55202.692769.969372@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4DFC180B.6010803@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <57A6070245464CCAB2B3EFF626675A07@PaulPC> Not radio...but I scared the crap out of my now ex wife went we went to Bermuda on our honeymoon in 1990. We were each going to rent a moped but she couldn't get the hang of it so she rode on the back of mine and I was whipping up and down the roads dodging in and out of Hamilton "traffic" such that it was! Scared the crap out of her.....and NO that's not what caused the divorce -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:14 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Potential aux sites for WBZ On 6/17/2011 12:27 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > (FWIW, Bermuda never signed on to any of the newer agreements, so WPTR > still protects ZNS1 under the old NARBA rules for class I-B stations.) When I was in Bermuda in 1966, the two island radio stations were ZBM and ZFB. I believe ZFB was brand new at the time. I think ZBM may have operated on two frequencies, but I don't remember what they were, but if WPTR has to protect ZNS1, I'm guessing that ZNS must be the former ZBM and that ZNS1 is one of the frequencies on which ZBM operated in 1966. Incidentally, one night, as I was pulling out of a restaurant parking lot at 1 AM on my rented moped, a VW pulled up next to me, and I clearly heard the WBZ news on the car's radio. It sounded like a local. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Sat Jun 25 02:14:55 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:14:55 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> Message-ID: <20CB739111B140B9B62BDD0308D33DB9@PaulPC> Here in Central NH, Kabletown doesn?t carry any WGBX, but does carry all WGBH subchannels as well as the WENH subchannel. -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Gary's Ice Cream Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:18 PM To: 'Ken VanTassell' Cc: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: RE: WGBX 44-5 I don't believe that Comcast is carrying any of the subchannels. I don't get any on my box.... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ken VanTassell Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:16 PM To: Jeff Lehmann; scott@fybush.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WGBX 44-5 I wonder how long before comcast and verizon pick up the channel. I assume they are required to do so. Ken On 6/17/11, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > 44-5 is a simulcast of the regular 44-1 now. It appears to be in HD, though > I can't say for sure since I'm watching on a SD TV. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, scott@fybush.com wrote: > >>> WGBX 44-5 now has real programming, not just color bars. "Members >>> Favorites" >>> >> >> Still in HD, as it was during the tests? >> >> s > > -- Sent from my mobile device From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jun 18 10:36:11 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:11 -0400 Subject: WGBX 44-5 In-Reply-To: <20CB739111B140B9B62BDD0308D33DB9@PaulPC> References: <410698.90227.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59b9fc71e99190c87e5dfe02e73f17f5.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <663E73AB-ED00-4FA2-8C67-4EC981D5A23D@comcast.net> <018b01cc2d66$6ffc46a0$4ff4d3e0$@com> <20CB739111B140B9B62BDD0308D33DB9@PaulPC> Message-ID: <19964.47067.641062.324741@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Here in Central NH, Kabletown doesn???t carry any WGBX, but does > carry all WGBH subchannels as well as the WENH subchannel. WGBH doesn't have any multicast services. They're all on WGBX. But two of them (Create and World) are national services with no local content beyond the occasional underwrtiter and the legal ID. I'm not sure how they do it in Springfield. I know "'GBH Kids" airs on WGBY because they do a joint legal ID. I would assume that they would do the same for Create and World, but they don't; I'm not sure if those two run in Springfield at all. If they do, maybe they switch them separately so they can have local underwriting in Springfield. -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jun 18 10:24:25 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:24:25 -0400 Subject: A little entertainment for second intermission... References: <4DF95EB3.1060806@fybush.com> <25B94581A46B4489B9A7C53BBB922DA0@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Dan Strassberg wrote: > Hi, Scott: I've got to confess that I don't listen to WCAP all that > much, and I don't think I ever heard you live on the air at WCAP, but > I also have to say that I don't recall hearing WCAP sounding as good > as it does on the tape of your first day there! Not only did you sound > great but the production was superb. Did you have anything to do with > that? Scott, thanks for sharing the clip of your first WCAP newscast, sounded great. And thanks also for the bonus treat, the unscoped Heritage Farms spot in the newscast, which was a WLLH production voiced by longtime 'LLH personality/sales rep Frank Sunday (Frank Messina). Heritage Farms was one of several Lowell area businesses that would buy ads on both 'CAP & 'LLH back in the day. There were also Lawrence area businesses that would spring for ads on both 'LLH & WCCM. One Lowell based business, the Lowell Gas Co. (which was bought out by Colonial Gas, in turn bought out by Keyspan, in turn bought by National Grid) used to sell gas appliances at a retail store in Lowell and also have an annual warehouse sale. They would have both 'CAP & 'LLH for live remotes a few times a year from the store or warehouse on big sale days, with 980 and the famous Mobile Studio usually getting the 9:00AM to 12 Noon or 10:00 to 1:00 slot and 1400 with it's Sparta console in the window or just inside the warehouse door from 1:00 to 4:00 PM. BTW the above mentioned Heritage Farms still advertises on WCAP to this day. Mark Watson From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jun 18 10:41:05 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:41:05 -0400 Subject: Cookout Message-ID: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> Hi all, So you can identify me, I will be wearing a t-shirt with KRML on the front, and ?Play Misty For Me? on the back. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jun 18 10:52:43 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:52:43 +0000 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? Message-ID: <20110618145244.262630@gmx.com> Unlicensed station "Hot 97" (actually at 87.7) has been off air for a couple days. It was noted on radio-info and also on their facebook page, where listeners (who perhaps don't realize the station wasn't legit) were wondering "Where are you guys?"; "Are y'all gone or are you coming back?" Well, a post on radio-info said they heard the station was raided--the transmitter and antenna were taken. I haven't seen anything official online, but this will mark the second station in a little over a month to have been raided if so. "Datz Hits" 99.7 had their equipment seized and a $15k fine issued due to complaints from listeners of legit WCRB 99.5 --and aircraft radio at Logan. The FCC statement has quotes from U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz about pirate stations interfering with licensed stations and also the possibility of a danger to public safety, etc. http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/News_Releases/DOC-306853A1.html Anyway, that was Datz Hits which got raided then and now Hot 97 (nickname inspired by the old WBOT-FM) may well have met the same fate. (One post on the facebook page of Hot 97 said they were "Here"--online.) From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jun 18 12:10:35 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:10:35 -0400 Subject: Cookout References: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> Message-ID: Larry Weil wrote: > So you can identify me, I will be wearing a t-shirt with KRML on the > front, and ?Play Misty For Me? on the back. I'll be wearing a Red Sox hat and a tan striped shirt. I don't have a Bruins hat, and I wasn't about to go to the Bruins store at the TD Garden today to get one. I hear there's a small gathering to celebrate the Stanley Cup victory going on, at least that's what I'm seeing on TV. Mark From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jun 18 18:09:04 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:09:04 +0000 Subject: Cookout Message-ID: <20110618220905.234090@gmx.com> Great time today! Enjoyed the talk, food, and meeting everyone; I swam in pool too and the weather turned out gorgeous. Thanks Gary for hosting...good to talk to Donna, Brian, Mike S (of WMWM), Dan, Roger K, Roger C, Joe R, Mark, Larry, etc! From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 18 20:47:21 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:47:21 -0400 Subject: Clarence Clemons In-Reply-To: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> References: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <4DFD4719.8050803@donnahalper.com> I am really sorry to read that Clarence Clemons, the awesome sax player of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, has passed away: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/clarence_clemons_dies.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 18 20:17:23 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:17:23 -0400 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: <20110618220905.234090@gmx.com> References: <20110618220905.234090@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4DFD4013.4030103@donnahalper.com> > > Great time today! Enjoyed the talk, food, and meeting everyone; I swam in pool too and the weather turned out gorgeous. Thanks Gary for hosting...good to talk to Donna, Brian, Mike S (of WMWM), Dan, Roger K, Roger C, > Joe R, Mark, Larry, etc! > > I agree-- it was wonderful to see you good folks and to chat about radio for a while. Many thanks to Gary for the hospitality. Maybe next time, we'll get a larger crowd, but this crowd was great too, and I appreciated the warm welcome everyone gave me. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jun 18 20:59:36 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:59:36 -0400 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: <4DFD4013.4030103@donnahalper.com> References: <20110618220905.234090@gmx.com> <4DFD4013.4030103@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <18D304DE-3614-4BB3-B13B-4837DC5B1496@mac.com> On Jun 18, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Donna Halper wrote: >> >> Great time today! Enjoyed the talk, food, and meeting everyone; I swam in pool too and the weather turned out gorgeous. Thanks Gary for hosting...good to talk to Donna, Brian, Mike S (of WMWM), Dan, Roger K, Roger C, >> Joe R, Mark, Larry, etc! >> >> > I agree-- it was wonderful to see you good folks and to chat about radio for a while. Many thanks to Gary for the hospitality. Maybe next time, we'll get a larger crowd, but this crowd was great too, and I appreciated the warm welcome everyone gave me. Agreed, it was a very nice time and it was good to see those of you who I already knew, and to meet those I did not. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 18 23:49:50 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:49:50 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ In-Reply-To: <4DFC180B.6010803@attorneyross.com> References: <4DFA3604.80508@fybush.com> <5F561A2027E04A1290F71E0804AC7B15@SatU205S5044> <4DFACD60.904@fybush.com> <19962.55202.692769.969372@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4DFC180B.6010803@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4DFD71DE.8020309@attorneyross.com> On 6/17/2011 11:14 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > When I was in Bermuda in 1966, the two island radio stations were ZBM > and ZFB. I believe ZFB was brand new at the time. I think ZBM may > have operated on two frequencies, but I don't remember what they were, > but if WPTR has to protect ZNS1, I'm guessing that ZNS must be the > former ZBM and that ZNS1 is one of the frequencies on which ZBM > operated in 1966. Amazingly enough I've managed to find the information booklet about Bermuda that I got back in 1966. It says that Bermuda's two radio stations, ZBM-1 and ZBM-2 operate at 1235 and 1340 "kilocycles" respectively. ZBF must have been too new to get into that edition of the pamphlet. Neither of them at 1540, which means that there can't be a station in Bermuda old enough to be protected by WPTR. Looking up ZNS-1 on Wikipedia, I found that it isn't in Bermuda, but in the Bahamas. And sure enough, it's on 1540. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 18 23:27:23 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:27:23 -0400 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: References: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> Message-ID: <4DFD6C9B.5030001@attorneyross.com> On 6/18/2011 12:10 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > I'll be wearing a Red Sox hat and a tan striped shirt. I don't have a > Bruins hat, and I wasn't about to go to the Bruins store at the TD Garden > today to get one. I hear there's a small gathering to celebrate the > Stanley Cup victory going on, at least that's what I'm seeing on TV. Didn't your "Red Sox" hat have a "B" on the front? Could it count for the Bruins, too? Wednesday morning NECN had a feature on the origin of the Stanley Cup. It was begun by Lord Stanley of Preston, who was Governor General of Canada in the 1890s. This motivated me on Wednesday evening to look up Stanley Cup on Wikipedia. I immediately noticed the sidebar entry "Current Holder" Boston Bruins." And that was how I learned that the Bruins had won. As it turns out, I was listening to CBC Radio One on my computer (I've listened to CBC stations from time to time ever since I discovered them on my radio back in high school). They broke in with the news a few moments later. One of the interesting things they said was that the Bruins team had more Canadians than the Canucks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jun 19 00:58:10 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:58:10 -0400 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: <4DFD6C9B.5030001@attorneyross.com> References: <38CD1279-B224-4B4D-BFF2-8FBA3F9DBFE8@mac.com> <4DFD6C9B.5030001@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:27 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > Wednesday morning NECN had a feature on the origin of the Stanley Cup. It was begun by Lord Stanley of Preston, who was Governor General of Canada in the 1890s. There?s a large park in Vancouver known as Stanley Park, which I would guess is named after the same Lord Stanley. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 19 09:30:01 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:30:01 +0000 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? Message-ID: <20110619133001.234100@gmx.com> A couple people have said 87.7 is back on (when I headed to the cookout yesterday I didn't hear anything; in the past on 128 between Danvers and Reading it would have come in), with a horrible signal. Either they did get raided and found a way to get back on (found new transmitter or antenna?) or they were just having technical difficulties. I don't know if they could get away with being on 87.7 "as long as there are no complaints from legit stations or aircraft radio". (Dan S was telling me yesterday there are a very few stations licensed to 87.9--I think I had known that too-- though I don't know if any are around here, offhand.) So if 87.7 is far enough away from 88.1 to not cause interference, who knows, maybe they can get away with it. It's possible that they fall into the category of illegal operators who defy FCC raids, fines, etc. and just go back on. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 19 09:24:38 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:24:38 +0000 Subject: Cookout Message-ID: <20110619132438.234100@gmx.com> Yes and on NBC's coverage they came out of commercials with a shot of it; they said the Canucks goalie does running around there ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Weil Sent: 06/19/11 12:58 AM To: A Joseph Ross Subject: Re: Cookout On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:27 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > > Wednesday morning NECN had a feature on the origin of the Stanley Cup. It was begun by Lord Stanley of Preston, who was Governor General of Canada in the 1890s. There?s a large park in Vancouver known as Stanley Park, which I would guess is named after the same Lord Stanley. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jun 19 13:45:37 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:45:37 -0400 Subject: Cookout Message-ID: <6C55743F4F184040825EB9F7F6BE5AE2@SatU205S5044> Just wanted to express my appreciation to Gary and everyone else who made the get-together possible. Notwithstanding the morning's equivocal weather forecast, it was a perfect day and it was great to meet face-to-face everyone who turned out. For those who haven't yet purchased a copy of Donna's latest book (I bought mine yesterday--directly from Donna), you won't be sorry if you get your own copy;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jun 19 17:28:05 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:28:05 +0000 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? Message-ID: <20110619212805.234060@gmx.com> Tried them today on Lynn Shore Dri.; was on but sounded off freq a bit, and very weak. From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Jun 19 18:46:57 2011 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: Potential aux sites for WBZ Message-ID: <8CDFCE9EDA35532-18E8-27491@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com> In 1966, Bermuda had stations on 960 (ZFB), 1235 (ZBM-1), and 1340 (ZBM-2). 1235, being a "split", was easily receivable on selective receivers up and down the US and Canadian East Coast away from 1230 and 1240 locals. My QSL from this station is displayed at "http://chowdanet.com/markc/webpage/BevAntenna/zbm1_bermuda_1235_qsl.gif" . I was living in Arlington, next to Menotomy Rocks Park, at the time. Although I had numerous outdoor antennas available, this reception was routinely achievable on a "barefoot" Realistic portable radio, model 12-614, "http://chowdanet.com/markc/WEB2005A/1967_realistic_10-trf.gif". The present-day Bermuda frequencies are 1160 (BBC relay), 1280 (US religion), and 1450 (light pop music, local talk). At coastal sites such as Granite Pier (Rockport), I hear 1160 and 1280 quite often. On a DXpedition trip to Cappahayden, Newfoundland several years back, I also heard the 1450 station duking it out with CFAB (NS) and WRKD (ME). I have also heard two of the three Bahamas stations (810 and 1540). 1240 has eluded me. QSL for ZNS-1: "http://chowdanet.com/markc/webpage/BevAntenna/zns_bahamas_1540_qsl.gif" By the way, I enjoyed a brief stop at the cook-out Saturday. Talked to several there including Dan Strassberg (about Arlington my old hometown, "technical stuff", DX), Donna (about radio history, Rush, Helen Shapiro), and to several others. Didn't eat as I was going on a family outing right after. I had a good time and I'm thinking of making a longer stay out of it next time. Happy Father's Day to all the dads. Mark Connelly, WA1ION Billerica, MA + South Yarmouth, MA << On 6/17/2011 11:14 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > When I was in Bermuda in 1966, the two island radio stations were ZBM > and ZFB. I believe ZFB was brand new at the time. I think ZBM may > have operated on two frequencies, but I don't remember what they were, > but if WPTR has to protect ZNS1, I'm guessing that ZNS must be the > former ZBM and that ZNS1 is one of the frequencies on which ZBM > operated in 1966. Amazingly enough I've managed to find the information booklet about Bermuda that I got back in 1966. It says that Bermuda's two radio stations, ZBM-1 and ZBM-2 operate at 1235 and 1340 "kilocycles" respectively. ZBF must have been too new to get into that edition of the pamphlet. Neither of them at 1540, which means that there can't be a station in Bermuda old enough to be protected by WPTR. Looking up ZNS-1 on Wikipedia, I found that it isn't in Bermuda, but in the Bahamas. And sure enough, it's on 1540. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 19:49:52 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:49:52 -0400 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? References: <20110618145244.262630@gmx.com> Message-ID: <5DE3D720D1C64B70B510EA3654445003@s20035> Which one is their official Facebook page? I saw a few...and they all looked as if they were still on the air? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jun 19 21:26:01 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:26:01 -0400 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? In-Reply-To: <5DE3D720D1C64B70B510EA3654445003@s20035> References: <20110618145244.262630@gmx.com> <5DE3D720D1C64B70B510EA3654445003@s20035> Message-ID: I did a search on facebook and typed in Hot 97 Boston and went to the one that says "Radio station", and "8200 people like this"--think that's the one. I won't link it here but search should get you there (and you may have to be a facebook user for it to show up). I'll add that facebook also has a page entitled "HOT 97 NEEDS TO BE IN BOSTON CAUSE JAMN 94.5 PLAYS THE SAME (expletive expletive)!" (only expletives aren't deleted...) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Don wrote: > > Which one is their official Facebook page? > I saw a few...and they all looked as if they were still on the air? > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 19 22:56:11 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:56:11 +0000 Subject: NBC makes a major oops Message-ID: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> What on earth were they thinking in the truck??? This is just mind bogging at the network level.... http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/nbc-issues-apology-for-omitting-god-from-video_b10807 From francini@mac.com Mon Jun 20 10:37:36 2011 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:37:36 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> I bet some editor thought that the piece was 'too slow-moving' and probably wanted to 'tighten that sucker up' without thinking of the politics involved. The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your peril. John On 19 Jun 2011, at 22:56, Kevin Vahey wrote: > What on earth were they thinking in the truck??? > > This is just mind bogging at the network level.... > > http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/nbc-issues-apology-for-omitting-god-from-video_b10807 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 20 11:00:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:00:33 +0000 Subject: NBC makes a major oops Message-ID: <1568386572-1308582035-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-683828628-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Pretty simple - you don't touch a word as that is what the Pledge is - I am just stunned that it passed the food chain without someone saying - ummm guys ------Original Message------ From: John Francini To: Kevin Vahey Cc: bri Subject: Re: NBC makes a major oops Sent: Jun 20, 2011 10:37 AM I bet some editor thought that the piece was 'too slow-moving' and probably wanted to 'tighten that sucker up' without thinking of the politics involved. The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your peril. John On 19 Jun 2011, at 22:56, Kevin Vahey wrote: > What on earth were they thinking in the truck??? > > This is just mind bogging at the network level.... > > http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/nbc-issues-apology-for-omitting-god-from-video_b10807 From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jun 20 12:29:53 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:29:53 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> Message-ID: <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> On 6/20/2011 10:37 AM, John Francini wrote: > The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your peril. > > John I think this deletion decision was purposeful and much higher than at the "truck level." Despite prevailing human wisdom that God doesn't matter in the present American culture, He still does. Bill O'Neill From kenwvt@gmail.com Mon Jun 20 12:40:56 2011 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:40:56 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just for historical reference, the words "Under God" were added to the pledge in 1954 after a campaign from the Knights of Columbus and others. http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance It does seem extremely dumb for NBC to have done this no matter the reason. -Ken On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) < billohno@gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/20/2011 10:37 AM, John Francini wrote: > >> The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your >> peril. >> >> John >> > > I think this deletion decision was purposeful and much higher than at the > "truck level." Despite prevailing human wisdom that God doesn't matter in > the present American culture, He still does. > > Bill O'Neill > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 12:15:57 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:15:57 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6CEE1C92642F4FA18A28070151AFE807@s20035> From: "Kevin Vahey" > What on earth were they thinking in the truck??? > > This is just mind bogging at the network level.... > > http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/nbc-issues-apology-for-omitting-god-from-video_b10807 You know what went on in the truck. It's not really mind boggling. Networks are run by people who live in Manahatten and have white furniture. Not quite the pulse of America. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 12:23:42 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:23:42 -0400 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? References: <20110618145244.262630@gmx.com><5DE3D720D1C64B70B510EA3654445003@s20035> Message-ID: I ent to this one: http://www.facebook.com/hot97boston which is linked off of their "official" web page... http://hot97boston.com/ And it looks like everything is normal! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Don" Cc: "B-R-I" Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? >I did a search on facebook and typed in Hot 97 Boston and went to the > one that says "Radio station", and "8200 people like this"--think > that's the one. I won't link it here but search should get you there > (and you may have to be a facebook user for it to show up). I'll add > that facebook also has a page entitled "HOT 97 NEEDS TO BE IN BOSTON > CAUSE JAMN 94.5 PLAYS THE SAME (expletive expletive)!" (only > expletives aren't deleted...) > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Don wrote: >> >> Which one is their official Facebook page? >> I saw a few...and they all looked as if they were still on the air? >> From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jun 20 13:08:18 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:08:18 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <6CEE1C92642F4FA18A28070151AFE807@s20035> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <6CEE1C92642F4FA18A28070151AFE807@s20035> Message-ID: <4DFF7E82.80705@gmail.com> On 6/20/2011 12:15 PM, Don wrote: > > You know what went on in the truck. > > It's not really mind boggling. Networks are run by people who live in > Manahatten and have white furniture. > > Not quite the pulse of America. Excellent observation. Thought provoking, too. These same executives, while they may not represent the pulse of America, they are pacemakers. (I know this is going off-topic for the list so I'll respectfully bow-out on that note.) Bill O'Neill From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Jun 20 12:51:36 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:36 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> I've been told by a number of Comcast employees that the company is not a God-fearing place....quite the opposite. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com) Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:30 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: NBC makes a major oops On 6/20/2011 10:37 AM, John Francini wrote: > The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your peril. > > John I think this deletion decision was purposeful and much higher than at the "truck level." Despite prevailing human wisdom that God doesn't matter in the present American culture, He still does. Bill O'Neill From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Jun 20 13:59:57 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NBC makes a major oops Message-ID: <27a2.2d4249fc.3b30e49d@aol.com> NBC? Yes I am sure that was what it was an accident. The editor doesn't work on any news piece alone. There will be no repercussions. Mike In a message dated 6/20/2011 11:01:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>I bet some editor thought that the piece was 'too slow-moving' and probably wanted to 'tighten that sucker up' without thinking of the politics involved. The Pledge is one of those 'third rail' things that you play with at your peril.<<< From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jun 20 13:32:17 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:32:17 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> Message-ID: <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> On 6/20/2011 12:51 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I've been told by a number of Comcast employees that the company is not a > God-fearing place....quite the opposite. > But Comcast at the corporate level is known for being quite conservative, and while the few liberal commentators at MSNBC generate much sound and fury from conservatives, the truth is more complex-- the daytime programming at MSNBC has a number of conservatives on it, and more are being hired. As for NBC, I think my rightie friends would be surprised to learn that some of the anchors and reporters they believe are liberal are in their personal lives registered Republicans (not that there's anything wrong with that). Sad to say, this incident is just gonna fuel assorted e-mail fundraising pleas from conservative groups who are certain there's some anti-American or anti-religion bias in the mainstream media. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jun 20 16:43:57 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:43:57 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <27a2.2d4249fc.3b30e49d@aol.com> References: <27a2.2d4249fc.3b30e49d@aol.com> Message-ID: <4DFFB10D.2000105@mac.com> On 6/20/2011 1:59 PM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > NBC? Yes I am sure that was what it was an accident. The editor doesn't > work on any news piece alone. > Having worked in the TV industry for many years, I agree that it was most likely an accident. They are just to disorganized to actually be able to do anything like this on purpose. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From ka3zci@yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 17:41:17 2011 From: ka3zci@yahoo.com (Robert Paine) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cookout Message-ID: <417746.24420.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wish I could have made it back East for the get-together. Is it too late to order two cyber-burgers, two cyber-hotdogs and a couple caffeine-free diet anythings? :)? I hope everyone had a good time. ? Bob in Richland WA ? I'll bring the cyber-salad next year. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 20 18:41:09 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:41:09 +0000 Subject: Cookout In-Reply-To: <417746.24420.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <417746.24420.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53626651-1308609671-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-276555400-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> I had hoped to but was simply exhausted from 3 trips to Vancouver in 2 weeks....the players fly charter, we don't -----Original Message----- From: Robert Paine Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:41:17 To: Subject: re: Cookout Wish I could have made it back East for the get-together. Is it too late to order two cyber-burgers, two cyber-hotdogs and a couple caffeine-free diet anythings? :)? I hope everyone had a good time. ? Bob in Richland WA ? I'll bring the cyber-salad next year. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 20 17:53:14 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:53:14 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <4DFFB10D.2000105@mac.com> References: <27a2.2d4249fc.3b30e49d@aol.com> <4DFFB10D.2000105@mac.com> Message-ID: <1f1c1dc69ab0b22ae036c590720d4e2f.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> > On 6/20/2011 1:59 PM, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > >> NBC? Yes I am sure that was what it was an accident. The editor >> doesn't >> work on any news piece alone. >> > > Having worked in the TV industry for many years, I agree that it was > most likely an accident. They are just to disorganized to actually be > able to do anything like this on purpose. What Larry said. Not that it's stopping this from becoming today's talking point all over Facebook and the blogs...and here, too, though I suspect the Moderator will shortly appear to declare it to be drifting off-topic... s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jun 21 12:58:33 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:58:33 +0000 Subject: Has Hot 97 (at 87.7) been raided? Message-ID: <20110621165834.5450@gmx.com> It has been said they are off again again (had gone back on with weak, slightly-off-frequency signal). More curiosity about the situation at their more-or-less official Facebook group, with fans wondering "how come I can't pick you up anymore"; "can't hear you in the car" etc. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 21 13:06:30 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:06:30 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com><040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1FC493F621E042498D626E455D596555@PhilsLaptop> >>Sad to say, this incident is just gonna fuel assorted e-mail fundraising pleas from conservative groups who are certain there's some anti-American or anti-religion bias in the mainstream media. That's already happening. It didn't even take two days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Gary's Ice Cream" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" ; "'Bill O'Neill'" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: Re: NBC makes a major oops > On 6/20/2011 12:51 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: >> I've been told by a number of Comcast employees that the company is not a >> God-fearing place....quite the opposite. >> > > But Comcast at the corporate level is known for being quite conservative, > and while the few liberal commentators at MSNBC generate much sound and > fury from conservatives, the truth is more complex-- the daytime > programming at MSNBC has a number of conservatives on it, and more are > being hired. As for NBC, I think my rightie friends would be surprised to > learn that some of the anchors and reporters they believe are liberal are > in their personal lives registered Republicans (not that there's anything > wrong with that). Sad to say, this incident is just gonna fuel assorted > e-mail fundraising pleas from conservative groups who are certain there's > some anti-American or anti-religion bias in the mainstream media. > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jun 21 14:42:51 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:42:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Back on the list! Message-ID: <30237276.1308681771090.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi folks, I'm back on the list! I wasn't actually off the list, the problem was that I was receiving the digest in MIME format, and my online email Earthlink Webmail made it so that each post had to be opened as a separate message from the digest, which I found too time-consuming. I just went into the mailing list preferences and shut off MIME format for the digest, and now I'm receiving the list messages in a nice, easy to scroll plain text digest, just like back in the "old days". It makes it much easier and faster for viewing the days posts. Sorry I missed the picnic! Eli Polonsky From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Jun 21 15:28:27 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NBC makes a major oops Message-ID: I'm sorry I was being sarcastic. Having worked for NBC at 30 Rock for 25 years I DOUBT that it was an accident. I haven't heard anyone being fired or reprimanded for this "accident" yet. The guy that accidentally sent the premature crawl that Joe Dimaggio died was suspended for three weeks. Mike In a message dated 6/21/2011 11:02:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>Having worked in the TV industry for many years, I agree that it was most likely an accident. They are just to disorganized to actually be able to do anything like this on purpose.<< From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jun 21 16:10:02 2011 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:10:02 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: <1FC493F621E042498D626E455D596555@PhilsLaptop> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com><040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <1FC493F621E042498D626E455D596555@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: >> Sad to say, this incident is just gonna fuel assorted e-mail fundraising pleas from conservative groups who are certain there's some anti-American or anti-religion bias in the mainstream media. > That's already happening. It didn't even take two days. This reminds me of the furor over the supposed removal of the motto "In God We Trust" from the dollar coin in 2007. Rather than think it through, or in the case of the dollar coin, check their facts, these people go off the deep end and make up things they only imagine to be true. I wish NBC had cut out two other words instead of "under God". Then it would have been clearer it was a mistake. Paul From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 21 17:24:06 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:24:06 -0400 Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com><040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <1FC493F621E042498D626E455D596555@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <4E010BF6.8080901@donnahalper.com> Paul wrote-- > I wish NBC had cut out two other words instead of "under God". Then it would have been clearer it was a mistake. > They DID cut out another word-- Indivisible. Why does NBC hate unity? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 21:04:31 2011 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NBC makes a major oops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1308704671.21387.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Paul Anderson wrote: > I wish NBC had cut out two other words instead of "under > God". Then it would have been clearer it was a > mistake. How could it POSSIBLY have been a mistake? A misplaced edit point? The only mistake here...is a mistake in judgment. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 10:31:23 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A little entertainment for second intermission... In-Reply-To: <4DF95EB3.1060806@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1308753083.2463.YahooMailClassic@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 6/15/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > ...or, "It was 20 years ago today." > > While you're all biting your nails over the outcome of Game > 7 (me too), here's a fun bit of audio: the WCAP 9:00 news, > 20 years ago this very morning, as a young newsguy made his > debut as a paid employee... > > http://www.fybush.com/fybushmedia/19910615-0900-wcap-sdffirstnewscast.mp3 > > I like to think I've learned a little something since then > (but you can decide for yourself this week and next > Tuesday-Wednesday, 4-6:30 PM on the AM 1370 stream at > wxxi.org...) > > s Just belatedly listening to this. Twas interesting to hear a snippet of old-time local radio, and hearing a local radio newscast that was longer than 90 seconds was a treat. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jun 22 14:37:11 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NBC makes a major oops Message-ID: <36d95.8203a76.3b339056@aol.com> I would prefer fundraising to executions. Some beliefs you can offend and others no one dares. This was no mistake and if it was then NBC is looking the other way. So far, no one has been spoken to, reprimanded, suspended or fired. As Fred Rogers used to say, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood". In a message dated 6/22/2011 11:02:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Sad to say, this incident is just gonna fuel assorted e-mail fundraising pleas from conservative groups who are certain there's some anti-American or anti-religion bias in the mainstream media.<<< From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Jun 23 00:42:19 2011 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? Message-ID: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If you're up late and don't know yet, the FBI says they've nabbed Whitey Bulger after 16 years on the run. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/06/23/police_mobster_whitey_bulger_arrested_in_calif/ In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this before daybreak? Wish I were back in Boston right now, because I'd love to see/hear the TV/radio coverage. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Jun 23 02:08:16 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:08:16 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo .com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110623020331.0281ac80@plymouthcolony.net> Actually, I should have noticed that the Globe site and FOXNews.com have the same story from the Associated Press, so it looks like the AP LA bureau has the scoop. Unlike local TV newsrooms the largest AP bureaus are still staffed 24/7. A few decades ago I worked at a much smaller AP bureau (Springfield) that was only staffed by two reporters so it wasn't 24 hours, although techs, including myself, did provide 24/7 service. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Jun 23 01:56:17 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:56:17 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo .com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110623015330.027bffc8@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:42 AM 6/23/2011, Sean Smyth wrote: >If you're up late and don't know yet, the FBI says they've nabbed >Whitey Bulger after 16 years on the run. > >In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this >before daybreak? The story was on FOXNews.com before 1:30 AM EST so the cable channels have probably scooped the local newsrooms. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 23 02:43:33 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:43:33 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110623020331.0281ac80@plymouthcolony.net> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110623020331.0281ac80@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <4E02E095.50007@donnahalper.com> On 6/23/2011 2:08 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > Actually, I should have noticed that the Globe site and FOXNews.com > have the same story from the Associated Press, so it looks like the AP > LA bureau has the scoop. Unlike the New York Times, Washington Post and a few others, the Boston.com site doesn't seem to be staffed late-night, unless there's breaking sports (the Stanley Cup is a good example). I got the news from the LA Times, since it happened on the west coast. I first got it from Twitter (I follow some journalists) and a bulletin from (of all places) the Wall Street Journal. But there was little original reporting. Dale is right-- most places just rely on the Associated Press at night. The LA Times had the most details. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jun 23 02:48:32 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:48:32 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> Sean asked-- > In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this before daybreak? Wish I were back in Boston right now, because I'd love to see/hear the TV/radio coverage. > > Steve Leveille of WBZ Radio is talking about it and taking calls right now. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 23 05:30:19 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:30:19 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> WBZ (AM) was all over the story beginning (I believe Steve LeVeille said) at 12:15AM EDT, when they broke into a COMMERCIAL to read the headline. I tuned in at around 2:30AM and Joe Mathieu, the AM-drive news anchor, had come in early to cover it. Actualities included an interview by Mathieu of a guy (last name: Burstein) from the Boston FBI office. You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its coverage of this story! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:48 AM Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > Sean asked-- >> In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this >> before daybreak? Wish I were back in Boston right now, because I'd >> love to see/hear the TV/radio coverage. >> >> > Steve Leveille of WBZ Radio is talking about it and taking calls > right now. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jun 23 07:35:36 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:35:36 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Websites for Globe, Herald have it, Herald paper version prob won't have it yet unless they put out an extra, extra, read all about it. Have heard Howie had called in to Dennis and Callahan. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WBZ (AM) was all over the story beginning (I believe Steve LeVeille said) at > 12:15AM EDT, when they broke into a COMMERCIAL to read the headline. I tuned > in at around 2:30AM and Joe Mathieu, the AM-drive news anchor, had come in > early to cover it. Actualities included an interview by Mathieu of a guy > (last name: Burstein) from the Boston FBI office. You can't fault New > England's only all-news station for its coverage of this story! > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > >> Sean asked-- >>> >>> In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this before >>> daybreak? Wish I were back in Boston right now, because I'd love to see/hear >>> the TV/radio coverage. >>> >>> >> Steve Leveille of WBZ Radio is talking about it and taking calls right >> now. >> > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 07:07:41 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1308827261.15387.YahooMailClassic@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 6/23/11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WBZ (AM) was all over the story > beginning (I believe Steve LeVeille said) at 12:15AM EDT, > when they broke into a COMMERCIAL to read the headline. I > tuned in at around 2:30AM and Joe Mathieu, the AM-drive news > anchor, had come in early to cover it. Actualities included > an interview by Mathieu of a guy (last name: Burstein) from > the Boston FBI office. You can't fault New England's only > all-news station for its coverage of this story! When I heard the news, I immediately dialed up the WBZ stream and I still have it on. My only complaint about WBZ would be that they ran a canned local newscast at 1 a.m. By that point, events clearly had overtaken what they had in the can, it would have made more sense to just skip the newscast. From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jun 23 10:21:08 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:21:08 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E034BD4.1070505@gmail.com> On 6/23/2011 2:48 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Steve Leveille of WBZ Radio is talking about it and taking calls right > now. I would imagine that Howie Carr's numbers at WRKO and affils like WVMT (620 Burlington) will be up today for sure. Carr has been on this story long after the "Where's Whitey" signs adorning the roadsides were long-faded. Now, let's see how our justice system handles this. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jun 23 10:22:50 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:22:50 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E034C3A.8010504@gmail.com> On 6/23/2011 5:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its coverage > of this story! It's so refreshing to be able to see a comment like that about radio news. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jun 23 11:22:20 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:22:20 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1308827261.15387.YahooMailClassic@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1308827261.15387.YahooMailClassic@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25FBC233-BB56-4835-A2A7-B1CCED44A122@mac.com> On Jun 23, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > My only complaint about WBZ would be that they ran a canned local newscast at 1 a.m. By that point, events clearly had overtaken what they had in the can, it would have made more sense to just skip the newscast. And replace it (and the advertising sold for that time period) with what? The people who watch at that time know it?s a repeat and not live. I noticed at some point last night (I think it was around 12:45, not sure) that WCVB was running a crawl about Bulger being captured. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 12:46:53 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <25FBC233-BB56-4835-A2A7-B1CCED44A122@mac.com> Message-ID: <1308847613.52579.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 6/23/11, Larry Weil wrote: > > And replace it (and the advertising sold for that time > period) with what?? The people who watch at that time > know it?s a repeat and not live. It was on the radio side. They had LeVeille and Rea in the studio, and that 90 seconds would have been better spent updating folks on what was happening, not what had happened earlier in the night. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 23 13:22:13 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:22:13 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044> Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are interested in on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially in the case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole product, not just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger story. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D A Boucher" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its >> coverage of this story! > > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. > > From dboucher@greatermediaboston.com Thu Jun 23 13:12:45 2011 From: dboucher@greatermediaboston.com (D A Boucher) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:12:45 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > You can't fault New England's only all-news station for > its coverage of this story! The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jun 23 13:48:17 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:48:17 +0000 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? Message-ID: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sean Smyth >Sent: 06/23/11 12:42 AM >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? >If you're up late and don't know yet, the FBI says they've nabbed Whitey Bulger after 16 years on the run. >http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/06/23/police_mobster_whitey_bulger_arrested_in_calif/ >In these days of nonexistent newsrooms, will anyone cover this before daybreak? Wish I were back in Boston right now, because I'd love to see/hear the TV/radio coverage. John Carroll, Assistant Professor of Mass Communications at Boston University, former regular of WGBH-TV's "Beat the Press" and now a frequent guest on Robin Young's WBUR Radio show, writes a blog called Campaign Outsider. In today's (06/23) posting, he writes that the print edition of the Herald that arrived at his doorstep had no mention of the Whitey story although it was all over the print edition of the Globe he received. The Herald prints its papers in Chicopee, MA hard by the Connecticut River. Meanwhile, during the BBC News Hour this morning on WBUR, the reporter who was interviewed was Carl Stevens of WBZ radio, not someone at WBUR or WGBH radio, or channel 20, 30, 31 or 42. I had recorded the Jimmy Kimmel opening monologue from WCVB, and when I played it back this morning, there suddenly appeared a crawl at the bottom of the screen with the words "TEXT GOES HERE". That I knew already. Then the crawl went away for a minute, and when it returned, the words "BREAKING NEWS: Whitey Bulger captured in Santa Monica, CA". So Boston media had it at about 12:10 am. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Thu Jun 23 16:07:08 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:07:08 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com> References: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110623155957.0295f510@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:48 PM 6/23/2011, Laurence Glavin wrote: >The Herald prints its papers in Chicopee, MA hard by the Connecticut River. I wouldn't call the location "hard by" the river - the Burnett Rd. facility of Dow Jones is a good 4 miles east of the river, on the north side of the Pike and just west of I-291 (I went there regularly when I was the Western MA AP technician 30 years ago). Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 23 16:18:44 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:18:44 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1308847613.52579.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1308847613.52579.YahooMailClassic@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E039FA4.1010606@attorneyross.com> On 6/23/2011 12:46 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > It was on the radio side. They had LeVeille and Rea in the studio, and that 90 seconds would have been better spent updating folks on what was happening, not what had happened earlier in the night. I disagree. I watched NECN this morning, and you'd think there was nothing else happening in the world at all, except weather and sports. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 23 17:40:47 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:40:47 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110623155957.0295f510@plymouthcolony.net> References: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110623155957.0295f510@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <19971.45791.608012.959278@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > At 01:48 PM 6/23/2011, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> The Herald prints its papers in Chicopee, MA hard by the Connecticut River. > I wouldn't call the location "hard by" the river - the Burnett Rd. > facility of Dow Jones is a good 4 miles east of the river, on the > north side of the Pike and just west of I-291 (I went there regularly > when I was the Western MA AP technician 30 years ago). Last I heard, the Herald was in talks to use the Globe's printing plant and distribution system. It looks like nothing but talks has happened since then. (For some reason, I thought they had already announced a deal.) -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jun 23 19:55:47 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:55:47 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1760F97C94BA466686E84419E791B321@Mark> Laurence Glavin wrote: I had recorded the Jimmy Kimmel opening monologue from WCVB, and when I played it back this morning, there suddenly > appeared a crawl at the bottom of the screen with the words "TEXT GOES > HERE". That I knew already. Then the crawl > went away for a minute, and when it returned, the words "BREAKING NEWS: > Whitey Bulger captured in Santa Monica, CA". Goes to show you that WCVB was working on the story, right on your screen...LOL Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jun 23 20:04:03 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:04:03 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <20110623174817.12010@gmx.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110623155957.0295f510@plymouthcolony.net> <19971.45791.608012.959278@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7D8CAB7A301649078B8F5000B99D03D0@Mark> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Last I heard, the Herald was in talks to use the Globe's printing > plant and distribution system. It looks like nothing but talks has > happened since then. You are correct Garrett, they are still in talks regarding the Herald being printed at the Globe's printing plant. The Herald has reportedly sold the building housing their newsroom and offices. They looking for a new location to move to. They have also offered buyouts to the employees and at least one took the package and moved to a radio gig: columnist Laura Beckham Falcone just started this week as one of the regulars on WROR's "Loren & Wally Show". Mark Watson From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 20:46:33 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? Message-ID: <1308876393.99853.YahooMailClassic@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 6/23/11, Mark Watson wrote: > Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 8:04 PM > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > Last I heard, the Herald was in talks to use the > Globe's printing > > plant and distribution system.? It looks like > nothing but talks has > > happened since then. > >? You are correct Garrett, they are still in talks regarding > the Herald being printed at the Globe's printing plant. The > Herald has reportedly sold the building housing their > newsroom and offices. They looking for a new location to > move to. The paper sold the building a number of years ago, with the stipulation that they'd be out by the end of 2011. And the Herald would still print some papers in Chicopee, they'd just print a city run closer to Boston. They're already printing on Friday nights at Gannett in Norwood because WSJ has the Barron's run that night and there's no USA Today on the weekend. From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Jun 25 13:13:47 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:13:47 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? Message-ID: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> I was shocked and appalled today to hear a BMW commercial on WBZ (1030 AM) that used the Star Spangled Banner as its music bed. The spot appeared to be a national one tagged at the end by one of the usual WBZ production guys. I was beside myself that BMW would do this and that CBS would allow it to be aired. At one time CBS was known to have the toughest "Standards & Practices Department" in the business. If this is any indication then they must have eliminated that department altogether. Am I over-reacting or is this a reprehensible use of our National Anthem? Your comments are appreciated and solicited. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jun 25 13:58:50 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:58:50 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> Message-ID: <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Am I over-reacting or is this a reprehensible use of our National > Anthem? Your comments are appreciated and solicited. In a word, yes, you are over-reacting. (I guess that's actually five words.) The music is an old English drinking song called "To Anacreon in Heaven". The fact that we happen to sing Key's poem (never written to be a song of any kind, never mind the national anthem) to the same tune does not make it somehow sacred, any more than the Brits have a right to object that we sing the patriotic song "My Country 'Tis of Thee" to the tune of "God Save the Queen". -GAWollman From dboucher@greatermediaboston.com Thu Jun 23 18:50:32 2011 From: dboucher@greatermediaboston.com (David Allan Boucher) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:50:32 +0000 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> <7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> Does anyone think it would be better if Steve Leveille read his own news headlines after the network news? This would at least be live. Didn't Larry Glick do his own news? -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:22 PM To: David Allan Boucher; B-R-I Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are interested in on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially in the case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole product, not just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger story. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D A Boucher" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its >> coverage of this story! > > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. > > ??Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message is the property of Greater Media Boston. This message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential or proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of the original message. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jun 25 13:56:01 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:56:01 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> Message-ID: <403852F9-EA90-4702-BE6B-FA3FBB7728E4@mac.com> On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I was shocked and appalled today to hear a BMW commercial on WBZ (1030 AM) > that used the Star Spangled Banner as its music bed. The spot appeared to > be a national one tagged at the end by one of the usual WBZ production guys. > I was beside myself that BMW would do this and that CBS would allow it to be > aired. At one time CBS was known to have the toughest "Standards & > Practices Department" in the business. If this is any indication then they > must have eliminated that department altogether. Am I over-reacting or is > this a reprehensible use of our National Anthem? Your comments are > appreciated and solicited. > Yes, it does seem to be in poor taste. But what isn?t these days? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat Jun 25 14:08:05 2011 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:08:05 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> <7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044> <399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> Message-ID: Glick did his own sports (with his own twist). News and weather were prerecorded. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Allan Boucher < dboucher@greatermediaboston.com> wrote: > Does anyone think it would be better if Steve Leveille read his own news > headlines after the network news? > > This would at least be live. > > Didn't Larry Glick do his own news? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:22 PM > To: David Allan Boucher; B-R-I > Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are interested in > on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially in the > case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole product, not > just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. > LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger story. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D A Boucher" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > > > > > > >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its > >> coverage of this story! > > > > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. > > > > > > ??Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message is the > property of Greater Media Boston. This message and any attachments are for > the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential or > proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jun 25 16:33:39 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:33:39 +0000 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? Message-ID: <20110625203340.11990@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary's Ice Cream >Sent: 06/25/11 01:13 PM >To: Boston radio e-mail list >Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? >I was shocked and appalled today to hear a BMW commercial on WBZ (1030 AM) >that used the Star Spangled Banner as its music bed. The spot appeared to >be a national one tagged at the end by one of the usual WBZ production guys. >I was beside myself that BMW would do this and that CBS would allow it to be >aired. At one time CBS was known to have the toughest "Standards & >Practices Department" in the business. If this is any indication then they >must have eliminated that department altogether. Am I over-reacting or is >this a reprehensible use of our National Anthem? Your comments are >appreciated and solicited. In any performance of the Puccini opera "Madama Butterfly", set in Japan, when the American character Pinkerton (no known relationship to the security firm) enters the scene, the orchestra plays "The Star Spangled Banner". At the time of composition, TSSB was not yet the USA's National Anthem. Nobody actually sings it, although most opera singers could (ahem); it's just played by the orchestra. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jun 25 16:41:12 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:41:12 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com><35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044><7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044><399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> Message-ID: <1749808AD47345FD8BB3E25A28300627@SatU205S5044> I believe it's very similar with LeVeille. As I remember the drill, the TOH news includes whatever local sports scores were final when the news was recorded. Any scores that were not final at the time the newscast was recorded are read live at the end of the recorded TOH newscast or maybe after the traffic, which follows the TOH newscast. If I'm not remembering this correctly, please make appropriate corrections. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "David Allan Boucher" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" ; "Gary's Ice Cream" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > Glick did his own sports (with his own twist). > News and weather were prerecorded. > > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Allan Boucher < > dboucher@greatermediaboston.com> wrote: > >> Does anyone think it would be better if Steve Leveille read his own >> news >> headlines after the network news? >> >> This would at least be live. >> >> Didn't Larry Glick do his own news? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:22 PM >> To: David Allan Boucher; B-R-I >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? >> >> Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are >> interested in >> on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially >> in the >> case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole >> product, not >> just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. >> LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger >> story. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "D A Boucher" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its >> >> coverage of this story! >> > >> > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. >> > >> > >> >> ??Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message >> is the >> property of Greater Media Boston. This message and any attachments >> are for >> the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential >> or >> proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure >> or >> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, >> please >> immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of the >> original >> message. >> >> > From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Jun 25 17:36:20 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:36:20 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <1749808AD47345FD8BB3E25A28300627@SatU205S5044> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com><35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044><7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044><399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> <1749808AD47345FD8BB3E25A28300627@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <044a01cc337f$ee091ea0$ca1b5be0$@com> In the early days of Glick he would read his own live news (no network - all local) and he would call himself "Streeter Glick". By the time I became his producer in 1978 the overnight show (Glick, then Maynard, then Raleigh) had a live all-nite newsperson, usually Steven Smith. Ask me sometime about the night that we fired the intro and Steven just sat there and stared at the michrophone. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:41 PM To: Ron Bello; Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? I believe it's very similar with LeVeille. As I remember the drill, the TOH news includes whatever local sports scores were final when the news was recorded. Any scores that were not final at the time the newscast was recorded are read live at the end of the recorded TOH newscast or maybe after the traffic, which follows the TOH newscast. If I'm not remembering this correctly, please make appropriate corrections. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "David Allan Boucher" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" ; "Gary's Ice Cream" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > Glick did his own sports (with his own twist). > News and weather were prerecorded. > > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Allan Boucher < > dboucher@greatermediaboston.com> wrote: > >> Does anyone think it would be better if Steve Leveille read his own >> news >> headlines after the network news? >> >> This would at least be live. >> >> Didn't Larry Glick do his own news? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:22 PM >> To: David Allan Boucher; B-R-I >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? >> >> Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are >> interested in >> on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially >> in the >> case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole >> product, not >> just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. >> LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger >> story. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "D A Boucher" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its >> >> coverage of this story! >> > >> > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. >> > >> > >> >> ??Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message >> is the >> property of Greater Media Boston. This message and any attachments >> are for >> the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential >> or >> proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure >> or >> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, >> please >> immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of the >> original >> message. >> >> > From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jun 25 18:11:34 2011 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill (billo@shoreham.net)) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:11:34 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> On 6/25/2011 1:58 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The music is an old English drinking song called "To Anacreon in > Heaven". The fact that we happen to sing Key's poem (never written to > be a song of any kind, never mind the national anthem) Former drinking song? Perhaps a wee bit of a stretch, Garrett. That the US anthem once was a tune along which to hoist steins of beer (oblique references for sixty, Alex) would not sell that option. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jun 25 18:54:54 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:54:54 -0500 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <044a01cc337f$ee091ea0$ca1b5be0$@com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com> <35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044> <7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044> <399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> <1749808AD47345FD8BB3E25A28300627@SatU205S5044> <044a01cc337f$ee091ea0$ca1b5be0$@com> Message-ID: Ok, All ask,.... do tell about the time Steven just stared at the microphone;) On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > In the early days of Glick he would read his own live news (no network - > all > local) and he would call himself "Streeter Glick". By the time I became > his > producer in 1978 the overnight show (Glick, then Maynard, then Raleigh) had > a live all-nite newsperson, usually Steven Smith. Ask me sometime about > the > night that we fired the intro and Steven just sat there and stared at the > michrophone. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:41 PM > To: Ron Bello; Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > I believe it's very similar with LeVeille. As I remember the drill, > the TOH news includes whatever local sports scores were final when the > news was recorded. Any scores that were not final at the time the > newscast was recorded are read live at the end of the recorded TOH > newscast or maybe after the traffic, which follows the TOH newscast. > If I'm not remembering this correctly, please make appropriate > corrections. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Bello" > To: "David Allan Boucher" > Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" > ; "Gary's Ice Cream" > > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > > > > Glick did his own sports (with his own twist). > > News and weather were prerecorded. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Allan Boucher < > > dboucher@greatermediaboston.com> wrote: > > > >> Does anyone think it would be better if Steve Leveille read his own > >> news > >> headlines after the network news? > >> > >> This would at least be live. > >> > >> Didn't Larry Glick do his own news? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:22 PM > >> To: David Allan Boucher; B-R-I > >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > >> > >> Are you also indignant if a newspaper puts the story you are > >> interested in > >> on page 2 rather than on the front page? On the radio, especially > >> in the > >> case of breaking news, I think you have to evaluate the whole > >> product, not > >> just one part. I tuned in around 2:30AM. > >> LeVeille and Mathieu were talking about nothing but the Bulger > >> story. > >> > >> ----- > >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "D A Boucher" > >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "B-R-I" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >> You can't fault New England's only all-news station for its > >> >> coverage of this story! > >> > > >> > The newscasts at 1AM and 2AM had nothing about it. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ??Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message > >> is the > >> property of Greater Media Boston. This message and any attachments > >> are for > >> the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential > >> or > >> proprietary information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure > >> or > >> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > >> please > >> immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of the > >> original > >> message. > >> > >> > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 25 20:22:02 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:22:02 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> On 6/25/2011 6:11 PM, Bill O'Neill (billo@shoreham.net) wrote: > Former drinking song? Perhaps a wee bit of a stretch, Garrett. No, Garrett is 100% correct. The melody was chosen because it was a well-known song used in the finest taverns in England (and thus in the US, since we had been a former British colony). From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 25 20:23:50 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:23:50 -0400 Subject: Coverage of Whitey Bulger's capture? In-Reply-To: <044a01cc337f$ee091ea0$ca1b5be0$@com> References: <1308804139.49008.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E02E1C0.6010406@donnahalper.com><35C98EA8235347D7B42448104B683108@SatU205S5044><7CC3330D7F59459FBF02932C936C9080@SatU205S5044><399D8590AE0CDC4289910A94770388EE3BED54CC@GMBExch2010.gmi-boston.com> <1749808AD47345FD8BB3E25A28300627@SatU205S5044> <044a01cc337f$ee091ea0$ca1b5be0$@com> Message-ID: <4E067C16.1000405@donnahalper.com> On 6/25/2011 5:36 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Ask me sometime about the > night that we fired the intro and Steven just sat there and stared at the > michrophone. > > I know that Steve has overcome vision problems, but I was under the impression that reading news copy on the air was difficult for him. Am I remembering incorrectly? From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jun 25 23:51:50 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:51:50 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E06ACD6.6070700@attorneyross.com> On 6/25/2011 8:22 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 6/25/2011 6:11 PM, Bill O'Neill (billo@shoreham.net) wrote: >> Former drinking song? Perhaps a wee bit of a stretch, Garrett. > > No, Garrett is 100% correct. The melody was chosen because it was a > well-known song used in the finest taverns in England (and thus in the > US, since we had been a former British colony). Well, it was initially the song of the Anacreontic Society of London, which sang the song at the end of its dinner meetings. It moved from there to the taverns. Not only was it well known in America, it had been used for a number of political campaign songs, the best-known of which is the Federalist song "To Adams and Liberty." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 26 00:03:32 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:03:32 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations Message-ID: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> The July issue of "Monitoring Times" magazine, which arrived yesterday, has an interesting article on early shortwave broadcasting in the US. While the focus is the west coast, the article mentions Boston's WBOS and WRUL. I've been aware of both of them, but we've heard very little of their history, even in Donna's book. I know that WBOS was operated by Westinghouse, then taken over by the government during World War II, and then closed down after the war. I know that WRUL was also taken over by the government, but apparently it resumed private operations after the war. I saw it listed in White's Radio Log in the early 1960s, and then I believe it became WNYW -- Radio New York Worldwide -- which I remember hearing once in the mid-1960s. I believe the transmitter was in Saugus, if I'm remembering right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jun 26 03:07:19 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:07:19 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Radio Log in the early 1960s, and then I believe it became WNYW -- Radio > New York Worldwide -- which I remember hearing once in the mid-1960s. I > believe the transmitter was in Saugus, if I'm remembering right. Scituate. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:15:49 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:15:49 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <4E06ACD6.6070700@attorneyross.com> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> <4E06ACD6.6070700@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: A version of To Anachreon in Heav'n is on youtube, performed by a college glee club, swaying back and forth, pretending to be drunk. I won't directly link here but go to youtube dot com and type to anacreon in heavn in search; look for "Georgia Tech Glee Club". Less than a minute long From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jun 26 08:47:55 2011 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill (billo@shoreham.net)) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:47:55 -0400 Subject: Improper use of our National Anthem? In-Reply-To: <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> <4E067BAA.3040408@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E072A7B.1080202@shoreham.net> On 6/25/2011 8:22 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 6/25/2011 6:11 PM, Bill O'Neill (billo@shoreham.net) wrote: >> Former drinking song? Perhaps a wee bit of a stretch, Garrett. > > No, Garrett is 100% correct. The melody was chosen because it was a > well-known song used in the finest taverns in England (and thus in the > US, since we had been a former British colony). > My post was unclear. I figured it accurately ID'd as a former drinking song. That fits even better with "Play ball!" that generally follows. What I am curious about is if it's in good taste to use the song as a music bed. Now, if the country switches to a new anthem with, say, the "I Dream of Jeannie" theme to new lyrics, that's another ballgame. Bill O'Neill From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jun 26 08:49:38 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:49:38 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Google searches on "WBOS shortwave" and "WRUL shortwave" return numerous articles on these stations. -Bob On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > Radio Log in the early 1960s, and then I believe it became WNYW -- Radio > > New York Worldwide -- which I remember hearing once in the mid-1960s. I > > believe the transmitter was in Saugus, if I'm remembering right. > > Scituate. > > -GAWollman > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 26 13:22:27 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:22:27 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> On 6/26/2011 8:49 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Google searches on "WBOS shortwave" and "WRUL shortwave" return > numerous articles on these stations. > And at the risk of shilling for my book, WRUL is mentioned in it, and this fascinating little station, which began its life as W1XAL in Boston, is also discussed much more thoroughly in Jerry Berg's wonderful book "On the Shortwaves." From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 26 20:54:01 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:54:01 -0400 Subject: The Dearly Departed In-Reply-To: <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> References: <043901cc335b$410c08d0$c3241a70$@com> <19974.8666.664845.837305@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E065D16.9020806@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <4E07D4A9.4090901@donnahalper.com> For a long time, I have wanted to create an obit file for the Boston Radio Archives. It would have (in alphabetical order) the names of deceased Boston-area broadcasters, the year they were born/year they died, and a brief synopsis of their radio career. Do you think this would be a worthwhile project? (I've been keeping a file of obits as they are published in the local newspapers, plus I have gathered up a file of older obits. I am sure there will be some omissions, so I'm eager to hear from everyone once I compile what I have.) I'm also up-dating the Boston radio timelines, now that I don't have a 425 page dissertation to write! From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Jun 26 21:02:13 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 21:02:13 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight Message-ID: <051101cc3465$dad7aa90$9086ffb0$@com> I had a very special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight. The man whose show I produced from the evening he took over overnights in 1979 and for a year thereafter - Bob Raleigh. He still lives in the area and looks great for 77. He and his wife came by for cones.Bob had his usual Banana on a sugar cone. He has done no radio or even thought about doing any since his last night on WBZ he says. We visited for about 20 minutes. Gary Francis www.garysicecream.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 27 00:26:56 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:26:56 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E080690.4050903@attorneyross.com> On 6/26/2011 3:07 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Radio Log in the early 1960s, and then I believe it became WNYW -- Radio >> New York Worldwide -- which I remember hearing once in the mid-1960s. I >> believe the transmitter was in Saugus, if I'm remembering right. > Scituate. OK, I thought it started with S. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jun 27 03:55:08 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 03:55:08 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight In-Reply-To: <051101cc3465$dad7aa90$9086ffb0$@com> References: <051101cc3465$dad7aa90$9086ffb0$@com> Message-ID: <4E08375C.9070500@donnahalper.com> On 6/26/2011 9:02 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I had a very special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight. The man whose > show I produced from the evening he took over overnights in 1979 and for a > year thereafter - Bob Raleigh. > I always wondered what happened to him. He was never one of my favorite jocks, but he did have a local following and a lot of folks liked him. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jun 27 07:48:10 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:48:10 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight In-Reply-To: <4E08375C.9070500@donnahalper.com> References: <051101cc3465$dad7aa90$9086ffb0$@com> <4E08375C.9070500@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E086DFA.5070008@gmail.com> On 6/27/2011 3:55 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > On 6/26/2011 9:02 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: >> I had a very special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight. The man whose >> show I produced from the evening he took over overnights in 1979 and >> for a >> year thereafter - Bob Raleigh. > > I always wondered what happened to him. He was never one of my > favorite jocks, but he did have a local following and a lot of folks > liked him. > "BR on BZ!" Raleigh was always meticulous in his delivery, clean. Superior vocal talent. Surprised me when he transitioned so well to talk. Not easy to do. He had the unique ability to speak and deliver well while being relatable. He worked the phones very well and had a great way with women callers (I mean that nicely) and seemed to genuinely respect the people with whom he spoke. His recall of previous conversations with callers impressed me. I never met Bob but would love to someday just to thank him for his service and in keeping up the standards. (Perhaps he's on the list - dunno.) Bill O'Neill From linc45r-n@lincster.com Sun Jun 26 18:42:54 2011 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:42:54 -0700 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> Beverage antenna near Newburyport. I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, but until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, when I came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was used for? Linc From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 09:54:24 2011 From: fox893@yahoo.com (fox893@yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:54:24 +0000 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> Message-ID: <191373251-1309182866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1175157083-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Beverage antenna? I'm from Houlton. Whre was it? Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Linc Reed-Nickerson Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:42:54 To: Subject: Re: Shortwave stations Beverage antenna near Newburyport. I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, but until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, when I came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was used for? Linc From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jun 27 11:06:02 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:06:02 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my orthodontist moved to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit from I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, there was a building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there were 25 or more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered what that was. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Linc Reed-Nickerson Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:43 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Shortwave stations Beverage antenna near Newburyport. I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, but until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, when I came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was used for? Linc From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 27 11:55:34 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:55:34 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> There was an area south of Route 2, west of Concord Prison, and east of 495 that, maybe 10 years ago, contained a large number (never tried to count but my guess is more than 15) guy supported towers that, I imagine were in the neighborhood of 200' high. I don't think they were illuminated, so that probably means they were a bit less than 200'. There did not seem to be any discernible pattern to the layout of the towers and I can't remember whether there were cables that ran from the tops of some towers to the tops of others. ISTR that there were cables and there may have been wires dropped from the cables--forming "curtains" of a sort. I do not recall receiving interference to radio reception (most likely, I was tuned to AM) as I drove past. I always wondered what these towers were. Given that MIT Lincoln Lab is in Lexington, not far from Hanscom Field and not all that far from the site of these towers, I wonder whether the towers were related to Lincoln Lab or the (just now closed down) military research facility at Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research facility performed, but I can no longer recall. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Shortwave stations > Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my > orthodontist moved > to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit > from > I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, > there was a > building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there > were 25 or > more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered > what that > was. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Linc Reed-Nickerson > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:43 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Shortwave stations > > Beverage antenna near Newburyport. > > I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, > but > until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of > Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, > when I > came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was > used for? > > Linc > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jun 27 12:38:18 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:38:18 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <003501cc34e8$a622b050$f26810f0$@ma@comcast.net> The towers in Andover sound the same. I am pretty sure there were curtains between some towers there too. I think the building they were behind was a Textron plant, so military is very likely. This was right at the corner of Rte 125 and Ballardvale Street. Interestingly, the Google map of the area now shows a Hanscom Federal Credit Union branch on the site where the towers were. In looking at the Lincoln Labs web site, their original charter was to build an air defense system against Soviet bombers. The web site talks about "24 direction centers" which I am thinking might mean "direction-finding" centers. So it's possible that both sites were related to this. With no further threat of Soviet bombers, both sites would have been dismantled. -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:56 AM To: Jim Hall; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Shortwave stations There was an area south of Route 2, west of Concord Prison, and east of 495 that, maybe 10 years ago, contained a large number (never tried to count but my guess is more than 15) guy supported towers that, I imagine were in the neighborhood of 200' high. I don't think they were illuminated, so that probably means they were a bit less than 200'. There did not seem to be any discernible pattern to the layout of the towers and I can't remember whether there were cables that ran from the tops of some towers to the tops of others. ISTR that there were cables and there may have been wires dropped from the cables--forming "curtains" of a sort. I do not recall receiving interference to radio reception (most likely, I was tuned to AM) as I drove past. I always wondered what these towers were. Given that MIT Lincoln Lab is in Lexington, not far from Hanscom Field and not all that far from the site of these towers, I wonder whether the towers were related to Lincoln Lab or the (just now closed down) military research facility at Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research facility performed, but I can no longer recall. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Shortwave stations > Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my > orthodontist moved > to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit > from > I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, > there was a > building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there > were 25 or > more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered > what that > was. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Linc Reed-Nickerson > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:43 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Shortwave stations > > Beverage antenna near Newburyport. > > I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, > but > until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of > Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, > when I > came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was > used for? > > Linc > From as@shawsheen.com Mon Jun 27 12:49:43 2011 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:49:43 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations Message-ID: <20110627124943.4w3517z00sw8gsg4@shawsheen.com> > Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my orthodontist moved > to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit from > I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, there was a > building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there were 25 or > more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered what that > was. This puzzle needs to be solved. There were at least two large antenna arrays in the area that appear on mid-1960s USGS topos that don't seem to match up to anything broadcast-related. I've wondered about them for years. What were they? I've cut-and-pasted pieces of 1960s USGS topos to illustrate the Wilmington towers referenced by Jim and an array in Revere just southeast of Suffolk Downs. Go to this URL and click on the .png files with "radiotowers" in the title. Direct linking to the images is not going to work: http://shawsheen.com/maps/ I doubled-checked old quads of Newburyport and can't find a Beverage. If I were to put a Beverage somewhere in Newburyport I'd put it in the big flat pasture west of Parker Street. The eastern half of that has been developed into an industrial park since 1970. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jun 27 13:48:44 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:44 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <20110627124943.4w3517z00sw8gsg4@shawsheen.com> References: <20110627124943.4w3517z00sw8gsg4@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <004101cc34f2$7a09bbd0$6e1d3370$@ma@comcast.net> I was wondering if maybe they had to do with the old Nike anti-aircraft missile sites that used to ring Boston, but the radio towers and the launcher sites are not in the same places. In case you're not familiar with the Nike, that was an idea to detect Soviet bombers while they were still 25-50 miles off shore and then fire a nuclear tipped missile at them. -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Svirsky [mailto:as@shawsheen.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:50 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Cc: Jim Hall Subject: RE: Shortwave stations > Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my orthodontist moved > to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit from > I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, there was a > building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there were 25 or > more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered what that > was. This puzzle needs to be solved. There were at least two large antenna arrays in the area that appear on mid-1960s USGS topos that don't seem to match up to anything broadcast-related. I've wondered about them for years. What were they? I've cut-and-pasted pieces of 1960s USGS topos to illustrate the Wilmington towers referenced by Jim and an array in Revere just southeast of Suffolk Downs. Go to this URL and click on the .png files with "radiotowers" in the title. Direct linking to the images is not going to work: http://shawsheen.com/maps/ I doubled-checked old quads of Newburyport and can't find a Beverage. If I were to put a Beverage somewhere in Newburyport I'd put it in the big flat pasture west of Parker Street. The eastern half of that has been developed into an industrial park since 1970. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Jun 27 14:52:28 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:52:28 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <003501cc34e8$a622b050$f26810f0$@ma@comcast.net> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> <003501cc34e8$a622b050$f26810f0$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <057901cc34fb$5fdb1250$1f9136f0$@com> The Rt 2 site was discussed on one of the ham radio forums I belong to recently. As I recall the site was privately owned by an individual who used them for reasons he did not want to disclose. Some sort of experimentation. I remember that in the 70's the land was empty except for the towers. Today it is like a forest and I believe someone said that the towers are all still there. Gary -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hall Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:38 PM To: 'Dan.Strassberg'; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Shortwave stations The towers in Andover sound the same. I am pretty sure there were curtains between some towers there too. I think the building they were behind was a Textron plant, so military is very likely. This was right at the corner of Rte 125 and Ballardvale Street. Interestingly, the Google map of the area now shows a Hanscom Federal Credit Union branch on the site where the towers were. In looking at the Lincoln Labs web site, their original charter was to build an air defense system against Soviet bombers. The web site talks about "24 direction centers" which I am thinking might mean "direction-finding" centers. So it's possible that both sites were related to this. With no further threat of Soviet bombers, both sites would have been dismantled. -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:56 AM To: Jim Hall; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Shortwave stations There was an area south of Route 2, west of Concord Prison, and east of 495 that, maybe 10 years ago, contained a large number (never tried to count but my guess is more than 15) guy supported towers that, I imagine were in the neighborhood of 200' high. I don't think they were illuminated, so that probably means they were a bit less than 200'. There did not seem to be any discernible pattern to the layout of the towers and I can't remember whether there were cables that ran from the tops of some towers to the tops of others. ISTR that there were cables and there may have been wires dropped from the cables--forming "curtains" of a sort. I do not recall receiving interference to radio reception (most likely, I was tuned to AM) as I drove past. I always wondered what these towers were. Given that MIT Lincoln Lab is in Lexington, not far from Hanscom Field and not all that far from the site of these towers, I wonder whether the towers were related to Lincoln Lab or the (just now closed down) military research facility at Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research facility performed, but I can no longer recall. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Shortwave stations > Speaking of old shortwave stations, when I was a kid, my > orthodontist moved > to Andover and I had to see him there. I remember that we would exit > from > I-93 at the Rte 125 exit. Right at the end of the ramp from 93, > there was a > building with a huge antenna array behind it. I would guess there > were 25 or > more towers with wires strung between them. I have always wondered > what that > was. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Linc Reed-Nickerson > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:43 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Shortwave stations > > Beverage antenna near Newburyport. > > I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, > but > until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of > Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, > when I > came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was > used for? > > Linc > From as@shawsheen.com Mon Jun 27 15:48:33 2011 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:48:33 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations Message-ID: <20110627154833.qov6up2w0k040ggc@shawsheen.com> I might have solved at least the Revere radio tower mystery. Click on the "10-M-09-1935_Boston.png" image here: http://shawsheen.com/maps/ It's a portion of the 1935 aeronautical chart of the Boston area. The early radio range beacons for pilots were square tower arrays. In this case, the Revere towers were for 266kHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Frequency_radio_range Funny how the wires suddenly crossed for me while staring at the map. "It's a square." I'd been reading last week about early radio instruments for non-visual flight. Back on topic, I was sure to include the part of the 1935 map that shows the WBZ Millis transmitter as a visual and radio aid for pilots. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Jun 27 16:25:23 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <057901cc34fb$5fdb1250$1f9136f0$@com> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> <057901cc34fb$5fdb1250$1f9136f0$@com> Message-ID: > > The Rt 2 site was discussed on one of the ham radio forums I belong to > recently. ... and has been discussed in other forums as well: http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2006-August/009305.html Seems to have the most information. Other things I found confirm that this is a ham radio operation: http://www.qsl.net/wa1ion/wa1ion_history.htm http://www.scannewengland.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-13015.html I believe the towers are still there, hidden by the tall trees that have grown up around them. W1EVT's callbook address does indeed place his home right next to the array. -Bob From as@shawsheen.com Mon Jun 27 16:07:02 2011 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:07:02 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations Message-ID: <20110627160702.sf15j3x5sgokcw8w@shawsheen.com> This is a 1971 aerial photo of the Wilmington antenna site, clearly showing towers: http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=3&lon=-71.15767127999952&lat=42.59201034330959&year=1971 The address would be somewhere between 201-251 Ballardvale St Wilmington, Mass. Online deed searches for a prior owner has been a dead end so far. As for the Newburyport Beverage, the armory is on Low Street. The Beverage could have stretched across that pasture land. There was another interesting Beverage in Belfast, Maine operated by RCA before the AT&T site was built. The following URL has pics and an aircheck! According to the article, this antenna was part of a trans-Atlantic music broadcast in 1925. http://maine.gov/newsletter/dec2003/radio_free_belfast_maine.htm -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From ecps92@earthlink.net Mon Jun 27 17:33:43 2011 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:33:43 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <004101cc34f2$7a09bbd0$6e1d3370$@ma@comcast.net> References: <20110627124943.4w3517z00sw8gsg4@shawsheen.com> <004101cc34f2$7a09bbd0$6e1d3370$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <09aa01cc3511$e43c6060$acb52120$@net> There are plenty of historical web sites out there on the New England Nike Sites, altho some have not been updated in some years. Just google "New England Nike Sites" Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hall Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:49 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Shortwave stations I was wondering if maybe they had to do with the old Nike anti-aircraft missile sites that used to ring Boston, but the radio towers and the launcher sites are not in the same places. In case you're not familiar with the Nike, that was an idea to detect Soviet bombers while they were still 25-50 miles off shore and then fire a nuclear tipped missile at them. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jun 27 17:56:53 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:56:53 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com> <4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110627175324.028d1a90@plymouthcolony.net> At 11:55 AM 6/27/2011, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >... Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research >facility performed, but I can no longer recall. Air Force Electronic Systems Division had their headquarters at Hanscom. It is still there, as Electronic Systems Center. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 27 19:43:22 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:43:22 -0400 Subject: Shortwave stations References: <20110627160702.sf15j3x5sgokcw8w@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <2F18E5C544DF49D1A199DAB770B0CE82@PhilsLaptop> I had never heard of the Belfast installation before --- interesting story! There also used to be an extensive antenna array off Route 137 in Belfast, part of an FCC monitoring facility. It closed in the late '80s or early '90s. The masts are still there. There was some kind of government radar or radio installation atop a hill in East Templeton, Mass., when I was a kid. It was on a side road. I know approximately where it was, but I don't recall ever actually seeing it. I was told that whatever it was for, it was very hush-hush. (I don't know whether that was actually the case.) This was in the 1960s. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Svirsky" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Shortwave stations > This is a 1971 aerial photo of the Wilmington antenna site, clearly > showing towers: > http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=3&lon=-71.15767127999952&lat=42.59201034330959&year=1971 > > The address would be somewhere between 201-251 Ballardvale St Wilmington, > Mass. > > Online deed searches for a prior owner has been a dead end so far. > > As for the Newburyport Beverage, the armory is on Low Street. The > Beverage could have stretched across that pasture land. > > There was another interesting Beverage in Belfast, Maine operated by RCA > before the AT&T site was built. The following URL has pics and an > aircheck! According to the article, this antenna was part of a > trans-Atlantic music broadcast in 1925. > http://maine.gov/newsletter/dec2003/radio_free_belfast_maine.htm > > -- > Alexander Svirsky > http://shawsheen.com/ > From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Mon Jun 27 13:27:25 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:27:25 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight Message-ID: A trivia question: Why isn't Bob Raleigh named Dan Donovan? Answer: Because Bob Raleigh was a Richmond Bros. house name in the D.C. market the same way Dan Donovan and others were in Boston (our local Bob was the first of seven). Best unheard aircheck: Bob Raleigh's first hour at BZ where he reportedly says "__minutes past__ at WHDH ... which is where I used to work." Karen Mctrotsky From linc45r-n@lincster.com Mon Jun 27 20:05:30 2011 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:05:30 -0700 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E091ACA.1050700@lincster.com> This was a local ham radio operator with lots of money. Lijnc On 6/27/2011 8:55 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > There was an area south of Route 2, west of Concord Prison, and east > of 495 that, maybe 10 years ago, contained a large number (never tried > to count but my guess is more than 15) guy supported towers that, I > imagine were in the neighborhood of 200' high. I don't think they were > illuminated, so that probably means they were a bit less than 200'. > There did not seem to be any discernible pattern to the layout of the > towers and I can't remember whether there were cables that ran from > the tops of some towers to the tops of others. ISTR that there were > cables and there may have been wires dropped from the cables--forming > "curtains" of a sort. I do not recall receiving interference to radio > reception (most likely, I was tuned to AM) as I drove past. I always > wondered what these towers were. Given that MIT Lincoln Lab is in > Lexington, not far from Hanscom Field and not all that far from the > site of these towers, I wonder whether the towers were related to > Lincoln Lab or the (just now closed down) military research facility > at Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research > facility performed, but I can no longer recall. > >> Linc >> > > > From linc45r-n@lincster.com Mon Jun 27 20:40:24 2011 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:40:24 -0700 Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <191373251-1309182866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1175157083-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <191373251-1309182866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1175157083-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E0922F8.7050309@lincster.com> On 6/27/2011 6:54 AM, fox893@yahoo.com wrote: > Beverage antenna? I'm from Houlton. Whre was it? > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linc Reed-Nickerson > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:42:54 > To: > Subject: Re: Shortwave stations > > Beverage antenna near Newburyport. > > I know of the huge beverage antenna near Houlton, Maine for AT&T, but > until the mid 1960's there was a beverage antenna just west of > Newburyport, MA. When I was drafted in 1965 it was still there, when I > came back from Vietnam in 1967 it was gone, anybody know what it was > used for? > > Linc It was located west of Houlton, one leg ran down by Nickerson lake. Go to http://docs.unh.edu/ME/houl51nw.jpg and the topo map shows the HUGE antenna. It is labeled "Transoceanic Receiving Antenna." I'm told some of the concrete piers are still extant. If anybody wants more info contact me directly. Linc From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jun 28 09:40:07 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:40:07 -0400 Subject: Justin Case? Message-ID: <4E09D9B7.5020006@gmail.com> Under that category of stories you've heard enough times to thing it's true but now aren't so sure.... Time for clarity on this. Was it true that WRKO had the name Justin Case for multiple fill-in guys, weekends, etc. back in the music days? If so, there was said to be a sung jingle or shout (or both) with the name, "Justin Case!" Does anyone have a copy of that sound? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 28 14:30:51 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:30:51 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> I am still mystified by how Radio One is getting away with doing this-- I mean, I understand it's capitalism and owners can do what they want, but somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government seems wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public interest" rules anymore... I was pleased to see that WBUR did a short piece about it this morning: http://www.wbur.org/2011/06/28/wild-radio From brscomm@yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 14:39:46 2011 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shortwave stations In-Reply-To: <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> References: <4E06AF94.5090609@attorneyross.com> <19974.55975.616364.103734@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E076AD3.2090708@donnahalper.com><4E07B5EE.5000503@lincster.com> <002d01cc34db$c0775530$4165ff90$@ma@comcast.net> <560AE39BBCC242A8A95D4F40BA17E3DB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1309286386.14314.YahooMailRC@web161202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nothing mysterious about them. Those towers belonged to a ham that lived on the side street off route 2. He ran an electronics company aroos the street from his house. I'm surprised the towers have lasted as long as they have. The footings were made of concrete blocks and the guy wires were secured to the trees. He had a large number of dipoles on different bands and orientations strung up and ladder line running out of the woods to his garage. I grew up a mile away and visited them several times in my younger days.? As fa as I know, they are abandoned. Bill ________________________________ From: Dan.Strassberg To: Jim Hall ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:55:34 AM Subject: Re: Shortwave stations There was an area south of Route 2, west of Concord Prison, and east of 495 that, maybe 10 years ago, contained a large number (never tried to count but my guess is more than 15) guy supported towers that, I imagine were in the neighborhood of 200' high. I don't think they were illuminated, so that probably means they were a bit less than 200'. There did not seem to be any discernible pattern to the layout of the towers and I can't remember whether there were cables that ran from the tops of some towers to the tops of others. ISTR that there were cables and there may have been wires dropped from the cables--forming "curtains" of a sort. I do not recall receiving interference to radio reception (most likely, I was tuned to AM) as I drove past. I always wondered what these towers were. Given that MIT Lincoln Lab is in Lexington, not far from Hanscom Field and not all that far from the site of these towers, I wonder whether the towers were related to Lincoln Lab or the (just now closed down) military research facility at Hanscom. I once had a vague idea of the sort of work that research facility performed, but I can no longer recall. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 15:26:39 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:26:39 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com><040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com><4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: >I am still mystified by how Radio One is getting away with doing this-- > I mean, I understand it's capitalism and owners can do what they want, but > somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government seems > wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public interest" rules > anymore... Isn't this what we in America call "Free Speech"? If the licensee wants to enable Minister Farakhan, Pope John Paul, White Bulger, etc...to utilize his airwaves for a fee...who are we to judge the programming to be prohibitive? Voice of America is on radio stations in foreign countries. BBC is on domestic stations in foreign countries as well. PS: In the end, Radio One is still responsible for those airwave, if CRI should say anything incendiary. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 28 15:24:58 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:24:58 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <3ef7b9ae-65f2-cae4-9449-83e41f0bec8d@me.com> References: <3ef7b9ae-65f2-cae4-9449-83e41f0bec8d@me.com> Message-ID: <4E0A2A8A.1070508@donnahalper.com> Mark wrote-- > > Which you were a part of. :) > > I heard it this morning...a nice piece of journalism. I would have > liked to > hear something about how the pirate stations may be impacting WILD's > former target audience. Yeah, as often happens, the reporter talked to me for about 20 minutes and then used 20 seconds. She wanted to do a longer piece, in fact, but you know the limitations-- if the local station is lucky, they get a 2-minute segment in Morning Edition. I was glad to see the story covered at all (I pushed for it with a number of people); much more deserves to be said on it. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jun 28 16:05:24 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:05:24 -0500 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4E0A2A8A.1070508@donnahalper.com> References: <3ef7b9ae-65f2-cae4-9449-83e41f0bec8d@me.com> <4E0A2A8A.1070508@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: CRI is on a Houston station and a Hawaii station.. usually the time is leased by an American company and they run CRI On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Mark wrote-- > >> >> Which you were a part of. :) >> >> I heard it this morning...a nice piece of journalism. I would have liked >> to >> hear something about how the pirate stations may be impacting WILD's >> former target audience. >> > > Yeah, as often happens, the reporter talked to me for about 20 minutes and > then used 20 seconds. She wanted to do a longer piece, in fact, but you > know the limitations-- if the local station is lucky, they get a 2-minute > segment in Morning Edition. I was glad to see the story covered at all (I > pushed for it with a number of people); much more deserves to be said on it. > From mward@iname.com Tue Jun 28 15:19:56 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:19:56 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I am still mystified by how Radio One is getting away with doing this-- I > mean, I understand it's capitalism and owners can do what they want, but > somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government seems > wrong somehow. ?I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public interest" rules > anymore... Well, according to the article, the station is not being leased to the Chinese government. It's being leased to a company called Douglas Broadcasting, and that company's being tight lipped about what financial arrangement is taking place with China/CRI. Maybe it's considered like MHz Worldview, the public TV network that reairs foreign programming in English - including China's state-run TV network news. The bottom line here is that the FCC doesn't get involved in programming decisions (unless you curse or show nudity on TV!), and Douglas Broadcasting is presumably an American company re-leasing its time on WILD to CRI...much like other leased stations that re-sell time to block buyers. It is kind of odd, though. From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jun 28 15:21:04 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:21:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <3ef7b9ae-65f2-cae4-9449-83e41f0bec8d@me.com> On Jun 28, 2011, at 03:10 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > ...somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government > seems wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public > interest" rules anymore... > > I was pleased to see that WBUR did a short piece about it this morning: > http://www.wbur.org/2011/06/28/wild-radio Which you were a part of. :) I heard it this morning...a nice piece of journalism. I would have liked to hear something about how the pirate stations may be impacting WILD's former target audience. Mark? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 28 16:28:53 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:28:53 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <19978.14725.176234.390063@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > seems wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public > interest" rules anymore... The "public interest" is served when the licensee pays its bills, as far as the FCC is concerned. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 28 18:12:53 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:12:53 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com><4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com><4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com><4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <6882936E6FB449BAB00B7B12F916A80F@SatU205S5044> Ten years ago, give or take, Douglas Broadcasting owned what is now WAMG. I can't remember what the calls were then. Mr Douglas is an African-American, so, although I don't think he has ever lived in Boston--or even in New England--in a manner of speaking, as WILD's LMA partner, he maintains WILD's connection with Boston's inner-city community. You can bet that Douglas is getting paid handsomely by China Radio to find stations that will carry the CRI programming. If he weren't being paid, why would he pay RadioOne for the time? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ward" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: leasing a station to the Chinese Government > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Donna Halper > wrote: >> I am still mystified by how Radio One is getting away with doing >> this-- I >> mean, I understand it's capitalism and owners can do what they >> want, but >> somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government >> seems >> wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public interest" >> rules >> anymore... > > Well, according to the article, the station is not being leased to > the > Chinese government. It's being leased to a company called Douglas > Broadcasting, and that company's being tight lipped about what > financial arrangement is taking place with China/CRI. > > Maybe it's considered like MHz Worldview, the public TV network that > reairs foreign programming in English - including China's state-run > TV > network news. > > The bottom line here is that the FCC doesn't get involved in > programming decisions (unless you curse or show nudity on TV!), and > Douglas Broadcasting is presumably an American company re-leasing > its > time on WILD to CRI...much like other leased stations that re-sell > time to block buyers. > > It is kind of odd, though. > From irw@well.com Tue Jun 28 18:40:47 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government Message-ID: What's more interesting, and the Radio One/WILD people SHOULD be aware of... As I presume the programming doesn't originate in the U.S., WILD should unplug its PPM equipment, as Arbitron prohibits ratings from programming that doesn't originate in the U.S.*** *** I heard this from someone else, who is an engineer in A Big Market. I'm only the messenger. And if I'm wrong, I guess that makes me the Yahoo Messenger. - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jun 28 18:57:26 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:57:26 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight References: Message-ID: <01D12658F534443A80F36A309DAA413C@Family> And, well, Bob Raleigh is Bob Raleigh. I went to Burlington High School and one of my fellow students was Steve Raleigh (his son, a tv weather guy). -- Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McTrotsky" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight >A trivia question: > > Why isn't Bob Raleigh named Dan Donovan? > Answer: Because Bob Raleigh was a Richmond Bros. house name in the D.C. > market the same way Dan Donovan and others were in Boston (our local Bob > was > the first of seven). > > Best unheard aircheck: > Bob Raleigh's first hour at BZ where he reportedly says "__minutes past__ > at > WHDH ... which is where I used to work." > > Karen Mctrotsky From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 19:20:57 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 6/28/11, Blaine Thompson wrote: > What's more interesting, and the > Radio One/WILD people SHOULD be aware of... > > As I presume the programming doesn't originate in the U.S., > WILD should unplug its PPM equipment, as Arbitron prohibits > ratings from programming that doesn't originate in the > U.S.*** > > *** I heard this from someone else, who is an engineer in A > Big Market. I'm only the messenger.? And if I'm wrong, > I guess that makes me the Yahoo Messenger. If they're leasing the station for Chinese government propaganda, I reckon ratings are of minimal concern. Also, that would mean ratings for any sporting events overseas (the Olympics, being one example; breaking news, too) would have to be tossed, and I reckon the logistics of doing that may not be simple. From sid@wrko.com Tue Jun 28 16:30:13 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:30:13 +0000 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> References: <38610953-1308538572-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-179396981-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <8AFD7E55-02C3-46F5-B831-E95352D70ECC@mac.com> <4DFF7581.3010300@gmail.com> <040d01cc2f6a$525039d0$f6f0ad70$@com> <4DFF8421.6080808@donnahalper.com> <4E0A1DDB.5080600@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA176E73@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "I am still mystified by how Radio One is getting away with doing this-- I mean, I understand it's capitalism and owners can do what they want, but somehow leasing a Boston station (WILD) to the Chinese government seems wrong somehow. I guess the FCC no longer enforces "public interest" rules anymore..." No attributable interest in the station's ownership is permitted to a foreign entity. As long as Radio one adhered to that rule, there's nothing the FCC can do. As has already been pointed out, with very few exceptions the FCC does not involve itself in programming decisions, based on the First Amendment and the anti-censorship law (Section 326 of the Communications Act). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jun 28 21:19:37 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:19:37 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight In-Reply-To: <01D12658F534443A80F36A309DAA413C@Family> References: <01D12658F534443A80F36A309DAA413C@Family> Message-ID: <069c01cc35fa$9daa6db0$d8ff4910$@com> And Steve just turned 50 years old.....you must've too Chuck! Bob threw a big birthday bash for Steve and some of his friends recently. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Igo Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:57 PM To: Karen McTrotsky; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight And, well, Bob Raleigh is Bob Raleigh. I went to Burlington High School and one of my fellow students was Steve Raleigh (his son, a tv weather guy). -- Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McTrotsky" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight >A trivia question: > > Why isn't Bob Raleigh named Dan Donovan? > Answer: Because Bob Raleigh was a Richmond Bros. house name in the D.C. > market the same way Dan Donovan and others were in Boston (our local Bob > was > the first of seven). > > Best unheard aircheck: > Bob Raleigh's first hour at BZ where he reportedly says "__minutes past__ > at > WHDH ... which is where I used to work." > > Karen Mctrotsky From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jun 28 22:54:52 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:54:52 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E0A93FC.8010409@gmail.com> On 6/28/2011 7:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Also, that would mean ratings for any sporting events overseas (the > Olympics, being one example; breaking news, too) would have to be > tossed, and I reckon the logistics of doing that may not be simple. > How about a show called, "Hey, America, we want our money back. Hello? Hello? Buehler? Anyone?" Or, they could broadcast Chinese language lessons. I'd like a show that explains why there are so few baby girls born in China. Must be something to do with the water. That should keep them busy for awhile. Radio... It's Red Hot. Bill O'Neill From irw@well.com Wed Jun 29 00:37:57 2011 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Sean Smyth wrote: >If they're leasing the station for Chinese government propaganda, I >reckon ratings are of minimal concern. An excellent point, Sean. >Also, that would mean ratings for any sporting events overseas (the >Olympics, being one example; breaking news, too) would have to be tossed, >and I reckon the logistics of doing that may not be simple. I think the concept is that Olympics programming (Covered by NBC, let's say) or breaking news (Covered by ABC Radio Networks, let's say) are okay, as NBC and ABC are U.S.-based. The real-life scenario given to me by the Major Market Engineer was a HD subchannel leased to a Canadian company. The company gave the HD subchannel all their programming. What's fuzzy to me in my mind is "Does the local NPR affiliate have to unplug its PPM metering when a program from the BBC comes on? Or is that okay, because "the BBC is distributed in the U.S.A. by..."?" - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 29 06:57:16 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:57:16 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government References: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E0A93FC.8010409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <085D914D642F4FCDB2FC8EC3ACC1F796@SatU205S5044> WILD does indeed broadcast Chinese-language lessons. I heard one a month or so ago and posted here about having heard it. (Must have been a good day; WILD was modulating more than the usual 1 or 2% on peaks.) Someone here (Garrett, I think) then posted a long and very authoritative-sounding response. The issue was the version (dialect?) of Chinese in which these lessons are conducted. If I remember the gist of the long posting, it was that the only dialect of Chinese that the Beijing government officially recognizes is Mandarin and contrary to what some others had posted, the long posting suggested that speakers of other versions of Chinese would not be able to automatically comprehend spoken Mandarin. As someone completely unfamiliar with any version of the Chinese language, I can say that the two-minute lesson in spoken Chinese for English speakers was utterly incomprehensible to me. I suspect that if I listened to 1000 such lessons, all focusing on how to say only hello and good-bye and nothing more, I would be lucky to master just those two words or phrases. If English is as confusing to Chinese speakers as Chinese was to me, I think the likelihood of our ever being able to communicate with each other is depressingly small. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:54 PM Subject: Re: leasing a station to the Chinese Government > On 6/28/2011 7:20 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: >> Also, that would mean ratings for any sporting events overseas (the >> Olympics, being one example; breaking news, too) would have to be >> tossed, and I reckon the logistics of doing that may not be simple. >> > > How about a show called, "Hey, America, we want our money back. > Hello? Hello? Buehler? Anyone?" > > Or, they could broadcast Chinese language lessons. flatware dropping onto a tile floor> > > I'd like a show that explains why there are so few baby girls born > in China. Must be something to do with the water. > > That should keep them busy for awhile. Radio... It's Red Hot. > > Bill O'Neill > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 29 17:24:47 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:24:47 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <085D914D642F4FCDB2FC8EC3ACC1F796@SatU205S5044> References: <1309303257.23800.YahooMailClassic@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E0A93FC.8010409@gmail.com> <085D914D642F4FCDB2FC8EC3ACC1F796@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E0B981F.6020608@donnahalper.com> On 6/29/2011 6:57 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WILD does indeed broadcast Chinese-language lessons. I heard one a > month or so ago and posted here about having heard it. (Must have been > a good day; WILD was modulating more than the usual 1 or 2% on > peaks.) Someone here (Garrett, I think) then posted a long and very > authoritative-sounding response. The issue was the version (dialect?) > of Chinese in which these lessons are conducted. Beijing only permits the teaching and speaking of Mandarin Chinese. It is the "official language" of China. But most residents of Hong King and the provinces of Southern China (including Canton) speak Cantonese and they are not terribly pleased about efforts to wipe out their ancestral language. Most eastern US Chinese people come from Cantonese-speaking parts of China, based on what I've seen. Yes, the written language is the same for both Mandarin and Cantonese, but the two dialects pronounce words entirely differently. It's kind of like Spanish and Portuguese-- there is a relationship, but they are not the same. From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 21:14:40 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:14:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Justin Case? Message-ID: <25517524.1309396480144.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:40:07 -0400 >From: "Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)" >To: Boston Radio Interest > >Subject: Justin Case? > >Was it true that WRKO had the name Justin Case for >multiple fill-in guys, weekends, etc. back in the >music days? > >If so, there was said to be a sung jingle or shout >(or both) with the name, "Justin Case!" Does anyone >have a copy of that sound? I recall that Kurt Carberry was named "Justin Case" on the Greater Media 1150 AM oldies reincarnation of WMEX in the mid-1980s. He said he was given that name because they had a "shout" of it. It wasn't his idea to call himself "Justin Case". I remember him playing that "shout", but I don't have a copy. I called myself "Eric Parker" on-air there because it was a name with my actual initials. Eli Polonsky From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:33:52 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:33:52 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I did indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a little muddled I could follow fine. WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:33:52 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:33:52 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I did indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a little muddled I could follow fine. WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:33:52 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:33:52 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I did indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a little muddled I could follow fine. WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:44:13 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:44:13 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I did indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a little muddled I could follow fine. WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jun 30 20:18:34 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:18:34 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: Message-ID: <0F961B9B424844D3B86104F02435BAAF@SatU205S5044> I got four copies of your message time-stamped 7:18, 7:19, 7:34, and 7:35. The AM reception in Newfoundland must be great but the Internet may be a different story. Was WEEI competing with other signals? There is or was an 850 in NF (CHVO, Spaniard South Bay). Is it still on the air? If so, I don't know where it is relative to where you are, but it is or was 5 kW-U DA-1 with a rather relaxed north-south figure-eight pattern. If it is/was north of you, it could be competing with WEEI. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. > > I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I > did > indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a > little > muddled I could follow fine. > > WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 20:24:58 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:24:58 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: <0F961B9B424844D3B86104F02435BAAF@SatU205S5044> References: <0F961B9B424844D3B86104F02435BAAF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Dan - CHVO made the switch to FM On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I got four copies of your message time-stamped 7:18, 7:19, 7:34, and > 7:35. The AM reception in Newfoundland must be great but the Internet > may be a different story. > > Was WEEI competing with other signals? There is or was an 850 in NF > (CHVO, Spaniard South Bay). Is it still on the air? If so, I don't > know where it is relative to where you are, but it is or was 5 kW-U > DA-1 with a rather relaxed north-south figure-eight pattern. If it > is/was north of you, it could be competing with WEEI. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "bri" > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:33 PM > Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > >> I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. >> >> I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I >> did >> indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a >> little >> muddled I could follow fine. >> >> WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. > > From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 29 17:01:06 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:01:06 +0000 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government Message-ID: <20110629210106.11990@gmx.com> >------ Original Message ----- >From: Donna Halper >Sent: 06/28/11 03:24 PM >To: Mark Laurence >Subject: Re: leasing a station to the Chinese Government >Mark wrote-- > > Which you were a part of. :) > > I heard it this morning...a nice piece of journalism. I would have > liked to > hear something about how the pirate stations may be impacting WILD's > former target audience. >Yeah, as often happens, the reporter talked to me for about 20 minutes >and then used 20 seconds. She wanted to do a longer piece, in fact, but >you know the limitations-- if the local station is lucky, they get a >2-minute segment in Morning Edition. I was glad to see the story >covered at all (I pushed for it with a number of people); much more >deserves to be said on it. About two weeks after the transition, Callie Crossley, appearing on channel 19's "Beat the Press" on Friday nights, which I'm sure many of you watch every week without fail, made the disappearance of WILD-AM as a local resource her pet peeve of the week. Dan Kennedy, whose blog "Media Nation" ( http://www.dankennedy.net ) usually covers stories of this nature, was also a panelist on the show that night, but has not mentioned it since. As has been mentioned earlier, the Bay State Banner was on top of it toot sweet. If you click on to the WBUR story, and scroll down a bit, there's a comment by me about how the long-forecast demise of AM radio may finally be happening. From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Wed Jun 29 19:53:31 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:53:31 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh Message-ID: Actually, Chuck, Raleigh is his real FIRST name. He left the Richmond Bros. station for another in the market and Richmond had his replacement call himself "Tiger Bob" Raleigh. So our Bob used "The Real" Bob Raleigh on WWDC. Richmond never forgot a slight. When Steve Fredericks bolted the Big X for WEEI, Richmond sued him claiming WMEX had the right to the name, since he had been Steve Oxman in Philly when he was hired to do late nights at WMEX. Ironically when he went back to Philly he returned as Fredericks, not Oxman, even though in his first Philadelphia iteration he was fairly well known as the 76ers play-by-play guy (he had the "other" call of Havlicek Stole The Ball). Mac lost the suit, the same way he lost to Jerry Williams when Wiliams came back from Chicago to replace Bob Kennedy Contact after Kennedy had gone TO Chicago to pursue his careers in talk radio and lawn mower starting. Karen McTrotsky From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 30 23:24:17 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 03:24:17 +0000 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1338786954-1309490659-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2024630218-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Anybody know how Mr. Oxman is doing in retirement? Steve just was a Philly guy at heart.. -----Original Message----- From: Karen McTrotsky Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:53:31 To: Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh Actually, Chuck, Raleigh is his real FIRST name. He left the Richmond Bros. station for another in the market and Richmond had his replacement call himself "Tiger Bob" Raleigh. So our Bob used "The Real" Bob Raleigh on WWDC. Richmond never forgot a slight. When Steve Fredericks bolted the Big X for WEEI, Richmond sued him claiming WMEX had the right to the name, since he had been Steve Oxman in Philly when he was hired to do late nights at WMEX. Ironically when he went back to Philly he returned as Fredericks, not Oxman, even though in his first Philadelphia iteration he was fairly well known as the 76ers play-by-play guy (he had the "other" call of Havlicek Stole The Ball). Mac lost the suit, the same way he lost to Jerry Williams when Wiliams came back from Chicago to replace Bob Kennedy Contact after Kennedy had gone TO Chicago to pursue his careers in talk radio and lawn mower starting. Karen McTrotsky From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Jun 30 23:23:36 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government Message-ID: <60280.202e73ba.3b3e97b8@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2011 11:20:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lglavin@mail.com writes: about how the long-forecast demise of AM radio may finally be happening. ---------------------------------------------- Most of which is self-inflicted by the owners of such stations. ---BB From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jun 28 11:09:40 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:09:40 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <21BC6BE6FF9F410E9D0BDC17018B22E0@PaulPC> The Evil Empire does currently broadcast on WTSN 1270 Dover NH! The NERVE! -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:05 AM To: kvahey@gmail.com Cc: Paul Hopfgarten ; ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast I think at one point there were Mets affiliates in Pittsfield MA and Plattsburgh NY. There was even an Expos affiliate in the Montpelier/Barre area, (not to be confused with the minor league then-Vermont Expos)--though the Pittsfield AM staton in question (WBEC? WBRK?) may have had the minor league Pitts. Mets instead of the National League Mets. I looked up a site about past radio homes for the Expos and found that they once had affiliates in Barre VT (WSNO), Berlin NH (WBRL), and Littleton NH (WLTN) as well as WEAV Plattsburgh NY etc http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?51348-Expos-Radio-Affiliates At one point I believe Yankees games could be heard in the Lake Sunapee/Upper Valley region of NH (perhaps on the 100.5) and just a few years ago the 94.5 in Rutland VT, WDVT, had Yankees baseball. A Wikipedia page listing Yankees radio network stations does list WDVT but a yr or two ago I noticed the game wasn't on that station.