From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 1 00:18:13 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 04:18:13 +0000 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In-Reply-To: <60280.202e73ba.3b3e97b8@aol.com> References: <60280.202e73ba.3b3e97b8@aol.com> Message-ID: <868465605-1309493894-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-195994385-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> AM can be viable as WBZ and WEEI prove....but other wise in trouble - look nobody was buying time on WILD - Bob figured out how to survive but most owners are clueless -----Original Message----- From: Jibguy@aol.com Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:23:36 To: ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: leasing a station to the Chinese Government In a message dated 6/30/2011 11:20:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lglavin@mail.com writes: about how the long-forecast demise of AM radio may finally be happening. ---------------------------------------------- Most of which is self-inflicted by the owners of such stations. ---BB From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 02:11:50 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 02:11:50 -0400 Subject: leasing a station to the Chinese Government References: <60280.202e73ba.3b3e97b8@aol.com> <868465605-1309493894-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-195994385-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <532BC11FF18D4BCF9436542912566266@s20035> > AM can be viable as WBZ and WEEI prove....but other wise in trouble - > look nobody was buying time on WILD - Bob figured out how to survive but > most owners are clueless<< Bob has sweat equity. Most licensees cannot be the 'jack-of-all-trades' that Bob can be. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 1 09:09:41 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 09:09:41 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh References: Message-ID: Not quite. Sounds the same but is spelled differently. I read on the Web, in a history of WPGC, the DC-area AM that was once owned by the Richmonds (and is now, I believe, owned by CBS), that his real first name is spelled Rolle. If I'm not mistaken, his real surname is Ferraro. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McTrotsky" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:53 PM Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh > Actually, Chuck, Raleigh is his real FIRST name. > > Karen McTrotsky From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 1 16:33:58 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:33:58 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E0E2F36.5020504@attorneyross.com> On 6/29/2011 7:53 PM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > Mac lost the suit, the same way he lost to Jerry Williams when Wiliams came > back from Chicago to replace Bob Kennedy Contact after Kennedy had gone TO > Chicago to pursue his careers in talk radio and lawn mower starting. Lawn mower starting??? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 1 18:26:18 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:26:18 +0000 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh In-Reply-To: <4E0E2F36.5020504@attorneyross.com> References: <4E0E2F36.5020504@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2092031252-1309559180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-488933049-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Bob Kennedy left when McGannon told him 28K for both radio-TV. He went to LA first, hated it then went to WLS-TV - he never did radio in Chi. Benzaquin also did the Logan-O'Hare shuttle but got fired after he made the front page in a ummm compromising way. -----Original Message----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:33:58 To: Subject: Re: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonigh On 6/29/2011 7:53 PM, Karen McTrotsky wrote: > Mac lost the suit, the same way he lost to Jerry Williams when Wiliams came > back from Chicago to replace Bob Kennedy Contact after Kennedy had gone TO > Chicago to pursue his careers in talk radio and lawn mower starting. Lawn mower starting??? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:13:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:13:29 +0000 Subject: CJAD loses Habs contract Message-ID: <1901517865-1309619611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563976696-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Saw in a Nova Scotia paper that CKGM (Team 990) came in with a monster bid to get the Canadiens radio contract away from CJAD From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:02:03 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:02:03 +0000 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia Message-ID: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> On the Trans-Canada near New Glascow - Boston stations all doing well at Noontime 590 - decent 680 - strong 850 - very strong 950 - decent 1030 - decent 1200 strong 1510 very strong I miss the ferry - this drive is LONG From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 13:48:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:48:59 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <96384126-E31A-490A-84B5-5009E64DEF5D@mac.com> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <96384126-E31A-490A-84B5-5009E64DEF5D@mac.com> Message-ID: You are not kidding.... One would think a ferry from Boston would be a gold mine.... Now in PEI - $43 toll coming back - YIKES On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> On the Trans-Canada near New Glascow - Boston stations all doing well at Noontime >> >> >> I miss the ferry - this drive is LONG > > It was a much ?longer drive before they ?twinned? the Trans Canada in the maritimes. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 2 13:01:52 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 13:01:52 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <96384126-E31A-490A-84B5-5009E64DEF5D@mac.com> On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > On the Trans-Canada near New Glascow - Boston stations all doing well at Noontime > > > I miss the ferry - this drive is LONG It was a much longer drive before they ?twinned? the Trans Canada in the maritimes. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 2 14:02:00 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> I'll bet a lot of people miss the ferry. The Cat left port from Bar Harbor in March for points unknown. I believe it's been sold. Sad. I understand the loss has been a huge blow to Yarmouth's local economy. Ferry service had operated between the two communities for nearly sixty years. The ferry from Saint John to Digby is still running, but it isn't particularly advantageous to anyone heading toward the east side of Nova Scotia. >>This drive is LONG You said it --- it's 600 miles to Sydney from central Maine. Beautiful drive, but it's a long haul. Interesting that WEEI and WWZN have the strongest daytime signals in that area. We can pick them up decently up here near Blue Hill, but WBZ comes in like it's next door. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia > On the Trans-Canada near New Glascow - Boston stations all doing well at > Noontime > > 590 - decent > 680 - strong > 850 - very strong > 950 - decent > 1030 - decent > 1200 strong > 1510 very strong > > I miss the ferry - From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 2 15:29:27 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:29:27 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Due to its west-facing directional pattern, WBZ sends only the equivalent of ~5 kW-ND (from a quarter-wave tower) toward New Glasgow. That's about the same as WEZE. With pretty much of a clear salt-water path the whole way, the 590 and 1030 signals should be comparable. As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is that gone also? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "bri" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > I'll bet a lot of people miss the ferry. The Cat left port from > Bar Harbor in March for points unknown. I believe it's been sold. > Sad. I understand the loss has been a huge blow to Yarmouth's local > economy. Ferry service had operated between the two communities > for nearly sixty years. > > The ferry from Saint John to Digby is still running, but it isn't > particularly advantageous to anyone heading toward the east side of > Nova Scotia. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 2 15:19:13 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:19:13 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: 1060 (provided they are really running the full 50 kW-D) should be strong. The new day pattern favors the east even moreso than even WEEI does, but the greater distance to the coast from Ashland compared with Needham has got to take some of the punch out of the signal in NS. 890, which uses the same site as 1060, runs half the power of 1060 by day but has a much narrower pattern, so the signal would likely be comparable to 1060s if you were due east. I think New Glasgow is northeast (~58 degrees from Boston), however. Others of interest would be 1330 and 1600. 1200, which transmits from the same site as those two, recently modified its day pattern (license to cover has been granted) to improve the signal to the north somewhat at the expense of the signal to the east. 1330, despite running lower power than 1200, now has a nominally stronger daytime signal toward NS than 1200 has. 1600 should be somewhat weaker than 1200 but still fairly strong. And then, don't forget about the lower-powered stations with a clear shot over salt water to NS. 1300 is one; 1570 is another. 1570 runs 30 kW ND-D--so it really should be in the higher-power category. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia > On the Trans-Canada near New Glascow - Boston stations all doing > well at Noontime > > 590 - decent > 680 - strong > 850 - very strong > 950 - decent > 1030 - decent > 1200 strong > 1510 very strong > > I miss the ferry - this drive is LONG From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 2 15:29:27 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:29:27 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Due to its west-facing directional pattern, WBZ sends only the equivalent of ~5 kW-ND (from a quarter-wave tower) toward New Glasgow. That's about the same as WEZE. With pretty much of a clear salt-water path the whole way, the 590 and 1030 signals should be comparable. As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is that gone also? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "bri" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > I'll bet a lot of people miss the ferry. The Cat left port from > Bar Harbor in March for points unknown. I believe it's been sold. > Sad. I understand the loss has been a huge blow to Yarmouth's local > economy. Ferry service had operated between the two communities > for nearly sixty years. > > The ferry from Saint John to Digby is still running, but it isn't > particularly advantageous to anyone heading toward the east side of > Nova Scotia. > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 2 15:40:37 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:40:37 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia Message-ID: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> The Portland-to-Yarmouth ferry is gone, too --- I think it was discontinued before The Cat was introduced. I agree with all of you on the Board. ?I can't believe available riders aren't out there. ?Someone, somewhere, could still do a big business with this. There hasn't been train service to the Maritimes in about fifteen years, either, since The Atlantic Limited across Maine was discontinued (after 103 years). -Doug On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:29:27 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: Due to its west-facing directional pattern, WBZ sends only the > equivalent of ~5 kW-ND (from a quarter-wave tower) toward New Glasgow. > That's about the same as WEZE. With pretty much of a clear salt-water > path the whole way, the 590 and 1030 signals should be comparable. > > As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is > that gone also? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > To: ; "bri" > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > > > > I'll bet a lot of people miss the ferry. The Cat left port from > > Bar Harbor in March for points unknown. I believe it's been sold. > > Sad. I understand the loss has been a huge blow to Yarmouth's local > > economy. Ferry service had operated between the two communities > > for nearly sixty years. > > > > The ferry from Saint John to Digby is still running, but it isn't > > particularly advantageous to anyone heading toward the east side of > > Nova Scotia. > > > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 2 15:40:37 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:40:37 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia Message-ID: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> The Portland-to-Yarmouth ferry is gone, too --- I think it was discontinued before The Cat was introduced. I agree with all of you on the Board. ?I can't believe available riders aren't out there. ?Someone, somewhere, could still do a big business with this. There hasn't been train service to the Maritimes in about fifteen years, either, since The Atlantic Limited across Maine was discontinued (after 103 years). -Doug On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:29:27 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: Due to its west-facing directional pattern, WBZ sends only the > equivalent of ~5 kW-ND (from a quarter-wave tower) toward New Glasgow. > That's about the same as WEZE. With pretty much of a clear salt-water > path the whole way, the 590 and 1030 signals should be comparable. > > As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is > that gone also? > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > To: ; "bri" > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > > > > I'll bet a lot of people miss the ferry. The Cat left port from > > Bar Harbor in March for points unknown. I believe it's been sold. > > Sad. I understand the loss has been a huge blow to Yarmouth's local > > economy. Ferry service had operated between the two communities > > for nearly sixty years. > > > > The ferry from Saint John to Digby is still running, but it isn't > > particularly advantageous to anyone heading toward the east side of > > Nova Scotia. > > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jul 2 16:05:20 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:05:20 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Dan S asked: > As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is > that gone also? > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not even Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. --Chuck Igo From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Jul 2 17:25:19 2011 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:25:19 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start a "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Igo Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:05 PM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia Dan S asked: > As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is > that gone also? > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not even Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. --Chuck Igo From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jul 2 18:11:44 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia Message-ID: <2e2cc.4f696815.3b40f1a0@aol.com> In a message dated 7/2/2011 6:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gary@garysicecream.com writes: I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start a "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... ---------------- Oh, I think it's relevant.... That info (no more ferries) would keep DX'er wanting to go on a Maritime DXpedition from wasting time searching on the internet for non-existent ferry service. And to make this post totally radio-related. I drove 40 miles each way from Yarmouth holding both WJTO and WJIB clearly. And JTO sounded almost like a local in the car. And sitting in Truro, NS one night, what came is on 740? Not CBL (this was 1996), but rather the Marysville, NL 740 repeater of one of those VO-- stations in St. Johns NL. Strongest Boston AM at night.... 850. ---BB From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 18:52:48 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 22:52:48 +0000 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <2e2cc.4f696815.3b40f1a0@aol.com> References: <2e2cc.4f696815.3b40f1a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <471924565-1309647170-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-692655309-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Bob I didn't think it is possible but around 1 PM Atlantic Time on 740 I caught Reverend Mr Black by the Kingston Trio - please tell me that wasn't the Fresh Pond signal :) -----Original Message----- From: Jibguy@aol.com Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:11:44 To: ; Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia In a message dated 7/2/2011 6:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gary@garysicecream.com writes: I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start a "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... ---------------- Oh, I think it's relevant.... That info (no more ferries) would keep DX'er wanting to go on a Maritime DXpedition from wasting time searching on the internet for non-existent ferry service. And to make this post totally radio-related. I drove 40 miles each way from Yarmouth holding both WJTO and WJIB clearly. And JTO sounded almost like a local in the car. And sitting in Truro, NS one night, what came is on 740? Not CBL (this was 1996), but rather the Marysville, NL 740 repeater of one of those VO-- stations in St. Johns NL. Strongest Boston AM at night.... 850. ---BB From ecps92@earthlink.net Sat Jul 2 18:34:39 2011 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (ecps92@earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 22:34:39 +0000 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> Message-ID: <1699923996-1309646184-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1329147666-@b2.c25.bise6.blackberry> The Cat did some time in Libya during the early EVACs and is now renamed and operating in China Bill ScanMaritime.com Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -----Original Message----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:25:19 To: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: RE: Driving in Nova Scotia I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start a "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Igo Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:05 PM To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia Dan S asked: > As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is > that gone also? > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not even Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. --Chuck Igo From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jul 2 18:28:33 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:28:33 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> Message-ID: meant to mention that Yarmouth, NS also enjoys like-local coverage of 560 WGAN (Dale Arnold used to be able to monitor the off-air signal for games the Mariners played on the road there - in lieu of the less-than-stellar talk-back feed from the station) & 970 WZAN. mea culpas. (grinning) now, about that cookout list-serve/newsgroup? (ducking & grinning) --Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: RE: Driving in Nova Scotia >I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start >a > "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Chuck Igo > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:05 PM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > > Dan S asked: >> As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is >> that gone also? >> > > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a > while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But > latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not > even > > Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make > some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. > > --Chuck Igo > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 19:27:55 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 23:27:55 +0000 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> Message-ID: <190468377-1309649277-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1566874468-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Next to the fireworks and ice cream newsgroup With few AM's left in Canada - New England radio thrives -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Igo" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:28:33 To: Gary's Ice Cream; Boston radio e-mail list Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia meant to mention that Yarmouth, NS also enjoys like-local coverage of 560 WGAN (Dale Arnold used to be able to monitor the off-air signal for games the Mariners played on the road there - in lieu of the less-than-stellar talk-back feed from the station) & 970 WZAN. mea culpas. (grinning) now, about that cookout list-serve/newsgroup? (ducking & grinning) --Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary's Ice Cream" To: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: RE: Driving in Nova Scotia >I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start >a > "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Chuck Igo > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:05 PM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > > Dan S asked: >> As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is >> that gone also? >> > > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a > while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But > latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not > even > > Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make > some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. > > --Chuck Igo > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 2 18:38:33 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:38:33 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> Message-ID: <6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com> You can get really great radio reception on the deck of a ferry. Now how is that? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I fail to see how this thread is radio related.....perhaps we should start a > "Boston People who like Ferries" list..... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Chuck Igo > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:05 PM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > > Dan S asked: >> As for ferries, what about the ferry from Portland ME to Yarmouth? Is >> that gone also? >> > > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for a > while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. But > latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running - not even > > Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume service, make > some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. > > --Chuck Igo > > From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jul 2 20:22:22 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 20:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia Message-ID: <5f7a4.1e42b7e1.3b41103e@aol.com> In a message dated 7/2/2011 6:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: I didn't think it is possible but around 1 PM Atlantic Time on 740 I caught Reverend Mr Black by the Kingston Trio - please tell me that wasn't the Fresh Pond signal :) ------------------ That song was played that hour. And besides, what other station plays that song? But WHERE in N.S. did you hear it. WJIB is not audible in or near Halifax, nor any points east, north or northeast of Halifax. ---BB From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jul 2 19:51:07 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:51:07 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> <6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:38 PM 7/2/2011, Larry Weil wrote: >You can get really great radio reception on the deck of a >ferry. Now how is that? See the note at the bottom of the groundwave conductivity map in 47CFR, Part 73, Section 73.190, Figure R3. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 2 23:01:32 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:01:32 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E0FDB8C.3020800@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > The Portland-to-Yarmouth ferry is gone, too --- I think it was > discontinued before The Cat was introduced. I agree with all of you on > the Board. I can't believe available riders aren't out there. Someone, > somewhere, could still do a big business with this. > There hasn't been train service to the Maritimes in about fifteen years, > either, since The Atlantic Limited across Maine was discontinued (after > 103 years). This is my cue to bemoan the premature demise of the ferry service we briefly enjoyed from Rochester to Toronto a few years back. The execution was terrible - they commissioned a brand-new ferry that was much too big, which meant a limited and ultimately rather inconvenient schedule. And the private operators who initially worked with the city of Rochester turned out to be crooks, which doomed the service. But it was fantastic while it lasted - 2 hours of relaxation across the lake instead of 4+ hours of traffic and border delays driving around it. In its second, and final, season of service it was operated under contract to the city of Rochester by the same "Cat" ferry operators who were doing the Maine/NS service. ObRadio: I did get the chance to test out radio reception from the ferry, twice, and it wasn't very exciting - it hugged the south shore of the lake for most of the ride before turning north toward Toronto, so there wasn't much to hear beyond the usual Buffalo/Toronto signals. s From scott@fybush.com Sat Jul 2 23:01:32 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:01:32 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110702154037.1m415oixe88g88oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E0FDB8C.3020800@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > The Portland-to-Yarmouth ferry is gone, too --- I think it was > discontinued before The Cat was introduced. I agree with all of you on > the Board. I can't believe available riders aren't out there. Someone, > somewhere, could still do a big business with this. > There hasn't been train service to the Maritimes in about fifteen years, > either, since The Atlantic Limited across Maine was discontinued (after > 103 years). This is my cue to bemoan the premature demise of the ferry service we briefly enjoyed from Rochester to Toronto a few years back. The execution was terrible - they commissioned a brand-new ferry that was much too big, which meant a limited and ultimately rather inconvenient schedule. And the private operators who initially worked with the city of Rochester turned out to be crooks, which doomed the service. But it was fantastic while it lasted - 2 hours of relaxation across the lake instead of 4+ hours of traffic and border delays driving around it. In its second, and final, season of service it was operated under contract to the city of Rochester by the same "Cat" ferry operators who were doing the Maine/NS service. ObRadio: I did get the chance to test out radio reception from the ferry, twice, and it wasn't very exciting - it hugged the south shore of the lake for most of the ride before turning north toward Toronto, so there wasn't much to hear beyond the usual Buffalo/Toronto signals. s From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 2 23:08:14 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> <006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com> <6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <3DF43683-AF39-4C96-861A-2E4F8BFBC120@mac.com> On Jul 2, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 06:38 PM 7/2/2011, Larry Weil wrote: > >> You can get really great radio reception on the deck of a ferry. Now how is that? > > See the note at the bottom of the groundwave conductivity map in 47CFR, Part 73, Section 73.190, Figure R3. > > Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html OK, I know about propagation over water,etc.. What I meant by ?how is that?? was asking rhetorically about that being on topic for the thread. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 3 00:18:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:18:33 +0000 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <3DF43683-AF39-4C96-861A-2E4F8BFBC120@mac.com> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop><006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com><6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net><3DF43683-AF39-4C96-861A-2E4F8BFBC120@mac.com> Message-ID: <1907013490-1309666715-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1639018944-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> I am still laughing that 7 News at 12:30 AM is must viewing in Newfoundland bars - 7 is on basic cable there -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:08:14 To: Dale H. Cook Cc: Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia On Jul 2, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 06:38 PM 7/2/2011, Larry Weil wrote: > >> You can get really great radio reception on the deck of a ferry. Now how is that? > > See the note at the bottom of the groundwave conductivity map in 47CFR, Part 73, Section 73.190, Figure R3. > > Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html OK, I know about propagation over water,etc.. What I meant by ?how is that?? was asking rhetorically about that being on topic for the thread. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 3 00:47:06 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 00:47:06 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: <1907013490-1309666715-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1639018944-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop><006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com><6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net><3DF43683-AF39-4C96-861A-2E4F8BFBC120@mac.com> <1907013490-1309666715-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1639018944-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E0FF44A.5010509@attorneyross.com> On 7/3/2011 12:18 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am still laughing that 7 News at 12:30 AM is must viewing in Newfoundland bars - 7 is on basic cable there Any idea why? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Jul 3 02:25:25 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:25:25 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia In-Reply-To: References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <4E100B55.40006@server4.gabrielmass.com> The Scotia Prince was in the news a few days ago: it is the vessel providing the new ferry service between India and Sri Lanka, which had been interrupted some years back because of war: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13759094 --RC On 07/02/2011 04:05 PM, Chuck Igo wrote: > > Dan - yeah. the Scotia Prince bugged out a few years back. and for > a while, we had a couple-of-days-a-week thing working with The Cat. > But latest check on the Cat's website is that it is no longer running > - not even Yarmouth to Bah Hahhhbah. Note to self: buy ferry, resume > service, make some money. save on gas... hire people to row. maybe not. > > --Chuck Igo From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Jul 3 07:59:13 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 07:59:13 -0400 Subject: Driving in Nova Scotia References: <1223063157-1309618925-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1736833723-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><062E81447C4E4D50B11B73CE06B3DEC6@PhilsLaptop><006f01cc38fe$8c85f660$a591e320$@com><6201AD59-EFB0-44DC-A5A4-8F00C86F00BD@mac.com><7.0.1.0.2.20110702194410.028c2330@plymouthcolony.net><3DF43683-AF39-4C96-861A-2E4F8BFBC120@mac.com><1907013490-1309666715-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1639018944-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E0FF44A.5010509@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <3C93E4246CB14DBDAEB602EC93EE463A@PhilsLaptop> It irritates me that the Maritimes can get Boston TV but we in Maine can't, with the exception of 38. I can't even get NECN on Dish Satellite. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Driving in Nova Scotia > On 7/3/2011 12:18 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am still laughing that 7 News at 12:30 AM is must viewing in >> Newfoundland bars - 7 is on basic cable there > > Any idea why? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:23:18 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:23:18 +0000 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova Scotia and Newfie? Somebody told me the ferries started losing money when casinos popped up and gambling on the ship took a big hit. ------Original Message------ From: Kevin Vahey To: Cohasset / Hippisley Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Sent: Jun 30, 2011 8:26 PM 46 and FOGGY Natives are pleased On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > My paternal grandfather's birthplace and childhood stomping grounds. ?He left for "fame and fortune" in the USA two years after Marconi's fateful reception of the letter "S" at Signal Hill. > > I have a cousin still there who says September is THE month to visit. ?From which I gather the weather might not be so wonderful right now.... > > Enjoy! > > Bud Hippisley > Old Forge NY (Where the weather in June and July is not always so great, either....) > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I must admit AM reception on my car radio is just fascinating. >> >> I WAS shocked that earlier today, when I hit the preset for WEEI - I did >> indeed hear Joe calling the action from Philly - and while it was a little >> muddled I could follow fine. >> >> WRKO was in and out and 1510 was the strongest. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 3 17:58:20 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:58:20 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044> 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova Scotia > and Newfie? From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Jul 3 18:25:58 2011 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:25:58 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> Question to all and sundry in Greater Boston: Can Nova Scotia radio be picked up down your way during the daylight hours? I know that at least sometime the CBC FM station in Yarmouth can be received down around Freeport-Brunswick if one has a good car radio. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE > 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" > > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > >> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova Scotia >> and Newfie? > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jul 3 18:32:01 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:32:01 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: <3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044> <3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Nova Scotia FMs can only be heard during tropo conditions. When conditions are right, some of them really come blasting in, though I have a much better than average setup to receive them. I also heard some NF FMs a couple years ago via tropo, but it is extremely rare. It's much more common to hear NF stations via e skip, as I think most of them are around 700-800 miles away. I believe some AM stations like 780 used to make to Cape Cod at least, during the day. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:25 PM, "Doug Drown" wrote: > Question to all and sundry in Greater Boston: Can Nova Scotia radio be picked up down your way during the daylight hours? I know that at least sometime the CBC FM station in Yarmouth can be received down around Freeport-Brunswick if one has a good car radio. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > >> 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE >> 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM >> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >> >> >>> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova Scotia >>> and Newfie? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 3 21:23:17 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:23:17 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <5d5d.5fb8715a.3b42417a@aol.com> Message-ID: <03E71637C5F6489590855C6840F59F09@SatU205S5044> Apparently, the problem is that the 440-mile distance is from CJCH to CHCM and NOT, as I had thought, from WEZE to CHCM. Curiously, the great circle between Boston and Marystown must pass right over Halifax, because the correct distance from WEZE to CHCM seems to be 840 miles--just 440 miles further than the distance from WEZE to CJCH. I guess you could call that a fortuitous error;>). Sorry for the confusion, fortuitous or not, this was a careless error on my part! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:04 PM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > In a message dated 7/3/2011 6:01:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dan.strassberg@att.net writes: > > 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE > 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE > > > > > > Impossible! Newfoundland is hundreds of miles east northeast from > Halifax. It's at least 150 miles going east from Halifax to the end > of Nova > Scotia's Cape Breton. > > --BB From paul@derrynh.net Mon Jul 4 00:40:12 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:40:12 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044><3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: Wasn't there a 700 from St John NB that was listenable from Boston right at the coast back in the day? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:32 PM To: Doug Drown Cc: bri Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Nova Scotia FMs can only be heard during tropo conditions. When conditions are right, some of them really come blasting in, though I have a much better than average setup to receive them. I also heard some NF FMs a couple years ago via tropo, but it is extremely rare. It's much more common to hear NF stations via e skip, as I think most of them are around 700-800 miles away. I believe some AM stations like 780 used to make to Cape Cod at least, during the day. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:25 PM, "Doug Drown" wrote: > Question to all and sundry in Greater Boston: Can Nova Scotia radio be > picked up down your way during the daylight hours? I know that at least > sometime the CBC FM station in Yarmouth can be received down around > Freeport-Brunswick if one has a good car radio. -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Cohasset / Hippisley" > ; "bri" > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > >> 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE >> 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM >> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >> >> >>> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova Scotia >>> and Newfie? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 4 08:03:05 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 08:03:05 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044><3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> Message-ID: <5D6F1A5754A64AE8B7888B74AC911EDB@SatU205S5044> I think so. CHSJ 25 kW-U DA-N, I believe. It had been on 1150 with (I think) 10 kW DA-1 and would totally mess up daytime reception of the Boston 1150 in Provincetown. I remember driving by the massive guy-supported tower (plus a shorter tower) just east of St John's during a trip to the Maritimes in the late 1970s. It wasn't long afterward that CHSJ moved to 700. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: "bri" Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > Wasn't there a 700 from St John NB that was listenable from Boston > right at the coast back in the day? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Lehmann > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:32 PM > To: Doug Drown > Cc: bri > Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > Nova Scotia FMs can only be heard during tropo conditions. When > conditions are right, some of them really come blasting in, though I > have a much better than average setup to receive them. > > I also heard some NF FMs a couple years ago via tropo, but it is > extremely rare. It's much more common to hear NF stations via e > skip, as I think most of them are around 700-800 miles away. > > I believe some AM stations like 780 used to make to Cape Cod at > least, during the day. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:25 PM, "Doug Drown" > wrote: > >> Question to all and sundry in Greater Boston: Can Nova Scotia >> radio be picked up down your way during the daylight hours? I know >> that at least sometime the CBC FM station in Yarmouth can be >> received down around Freeport-Brunswick if one has a good car >> radio. -Doug >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" >> >> To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Cohasset / Hippisley" >> ; "bri" >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:58 PM >> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >> >> >>> 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE >>> 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >>> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" >>> >>> To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >>> >>> >>>> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova >>>> Scotia >>>> and Newfie? >> > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 4 08:18:10 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 12:18:10 +0000 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: <5D6F1A5754A64AE8B7888B74AC911EDB@SatU205S5044> References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044><3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop><5D6F1A5754A64AE8B7888B74AC911EDB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1835727095-1309781891-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1423411421-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Must factor that most private owned AM's in Canada did not beam a signal into the US Saturday night - 850 was like a local in PEI. BTW - how can they justify a toll of $43.25 for the bridge to PEI? It is 8 miles long but that toll charge is insane. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 08:03:05 To: Paul Hopfgarten; Jeff Lehmann; Doug Drown Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: bri Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland I think so. CHSJ 25 kW-U DA-N, I believe. It had been on 1150 with (I think) 10 kW DA-1 and would totally mess up daytime reception of the Boston 1150 in Provincetown. I remember driving by the massive guy-supported tower (plus a shorter tower) just east of St John's during a trip to the Maritimes in the late 1970s. It wasn't long afterward that CHSJ moved to 700. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "Doug Drown" Cc: "bri" Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > Wasn't there a 700 from St John NB that was listenable from Boston > right at the coast back in the day? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Lehmann > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:32 PM > To: Doug Drown > Cc: bri > Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > Nova Scotia FMs can only be heard during tropo conditions. When > conditions are right, some of them really come blasting in, though I > have a much better than average setup to receive them. > > I also heard some NF FMs a couple years ago via tropo, but it is > extremely rare. It's much more common to hear NF stations via e > skip, as I think most of them are around 700-800 miles away. > > I believe some AM stations like 780 used to make to Cape Cod at > least, during the day. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:25 PM, "Doug Drown" > wrote: > >> Question to all and sundry in Greater Boston: Can Nova Scotia >> radio be picked up down your way during the daylight hours? I know >> that at least sometime the CBC FM station in Yarmouth can be >> received down around Freeport-Brunswick if one has a good car >> radio. -Doug >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" >> >> To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Cohasset / Hippisley" >> ; "bri" >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:58 PM >> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >> >> >>> 400 miles from CJCH (Halifax NS) to WEZE >>> 440 miles from CHCM (Marystown NF) to WEZE >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >>> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" >>> >>> To: "Cohasset / Hippisley" ; "bri" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland >>> >>> >>>> Curious - anybody know the seagull miles from Boston to Nova >>>> Scotia >>>> and Newfie? >> > From Jibguy@aol.com Mon Jul 4 12:11:02 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 12:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: <27700.5487a431.3b434014@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/2011 8:23:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kvahey@gmail.com writes: how can they justify a toll of $43.25 for the bridge to PEI? It is 8 miles long but that toll charge is insane They probably collect that $43 for round trip.... and the distance, I thought, was 14 miles. So it makes sense. Now for RADIO...... Incredibly fat tower (guyed) when CHSJ was on 1150, and with a monster signal. Tower was in an industrial area of St John NB, near auto salvage yards, cheap hotels, etc. When they moved to 700, they had a huge array of 4 to 6 towers (can't remember the #) on the last sizable and-semi-bare hill before going into the city (St John) from the south. Couldn't miss those towers. Apparently Canadians had not learned yet to become NIMBYS. Also upgraded was PEI's CHTN from 1190 to 720, the latter audible around the shorelines north and south of Boston. Both stations spent a ton of money upgrading, only to go to FM 15 years later. ---BB From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jul 4 12:26:51 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:26:51 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: <1835727095-1309781891-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1423411421-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> <127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044> <3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop> <5D6F1A5754A64AE8B7888B74AC911EDB@SatU205S5044> <1835727095-1309781891-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1423411421-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Jul 4, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Must factor that most private owned AM's in Canada did not beam a signal into the US > > Saturday night - 850 was like a local in PEI. > > BTW - how can they justify a toll of $43.25 for the bridge to PEI? It is 8 miles long but that toll charge is insane. That?s privatization and free enterprise for you. The Confederation Bridge was built and paid for by a private company, not the government. When it was opened there was an agreement, for I believe five years, not to charge more than the ferry it replaced. After that they got a small increase. Note that you only pay when leaving the island, whether it be by the bridge or by the ferry to Nova Scotia. Another interesting fact I learned from an islander (VY2UA for the hams) is that 25 percent of people born in PEI never leave the island in their lifetime. I believe that figure was from before the bridge was built. And I remember from the campground on the north shore of PEI that CFGN Port Aux Basques, NF on 1230 with 250 watts at night came in like a local. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 4 13:23:23 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:23:23 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <27700.5487a431.3b434014@aol.com> Message-ID: <9938358292684986A57F2D611E4F2FAF@SatU205S5044> I don't think CHSJ ever got beyond three towers--and maybe only two. At least that's what AMSTNS tells me. IIRC, the six-tower setup was CBD on 1110. It apparently had to protect the US border because I believe WBT's 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour cuts into Canada. I believe the six-tower array was really short-lived; CBD had barely gotten settled on 1110 when it moved to FM. Don't know what frequency it was on before 1110. The problem with this CBD speculation is that AMSTNS won't confirm it. It shows a station on 1110 in St John (10 kW-U DA-2) with two towers days and three nights (no calls assigned--all such Canadian stations are called "NEW"). And, of course, three towers seems to be all that ought to be needed to adequately protect the US/Canada border from 10 kW in St John NB. But then, the minimum toward the US is so deep that you know right off that the array was never built; it was all just on paper. Still, I don't see that six towers would have been necessary. Six towers would produce a nice teardrop, but there was no need for a teardrop; the pattern shown--a modified cardioid--would do the job; there is nothing to the north to protect, so no reason for a narrow tear-drop pattern. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > In a message dated 7/4/2011 8:23:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kvahey@gmail.com writes: > > how can they justify a toll of $43.25 for the bridge to PEI? It is > 8 miles > long but that toll charge is insane > > > They probably collect that $43 for round trip.... and the distance, > I > thought, was 14 miles. So it makes sense. > Now for RADIO...... Incredibly fat tower (guyed) when CHSJ was on > 1150, and > with a monster signal. Tower was in an industrial area of St John > NB, near > auto salvage yards, cheap hotels, etc. When they moved to 700, they > had a > huge array of 4 to 6 towers (can't remember the #) on the last > sizable > and-semi-bare hill before going into the city (St John) from the > south. > Couldn't miss those towers. Apparently Canadians had not learned > yet to become > NIMBYS. Also upgraded was PEI's CHTN from 1190 to 720, the latter > audible > around the shorelines north and south of Boston. Both stations > spent a ton of > money upgrading, only to go to FM 15 years later. > ---BB From brscomm@yahoo.com Mon Jul 4 12:36:43 2011 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 09:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In-Reply-To: <27700.5487a431.3b434014@aol.com> References: <27700.5487a431.3b434014@aol.com> Message-ID: <1309797403.24008.YahooMailRC@web161207.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The toll is based on what the ferry would have charged. It was $31 when the bridge opened and somewhere I have a T-shirt from the opening. Bill ________________________________ From: "Jibguy@aol.com" To: kvahey@gmail.com; dan.strassberg@att.net; paul@derrynh.net; jjlehmann@comcast.net; revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 11:11:02 AM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland In a message dated 7/4/2011 8:23:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? kvahey@gmail.com writes: how can? they justify a toll of $43.25 for the bridge to PEI? It is 8 miles long but? that toll charge is insane They probably collect that $43 for round trip.... and the distance, I? thought, was 14 miles. So it makes sense. Now for RADIO...... Incredibly fat tower (guyed) when CHSJ was on 1150, and with a monster signal. Tower was in an industrial area of St John NB, near auto? salvage yards, cheap hotels, etc. When they moved to 700, they had a huge array? of 4 to 6 towers (can't remember the #) on the last sizable and-semi-bare hill? before going into the city (St John) from the south. Couldn't miss those towers.? Apparently Canadians had not learned yet to become NIMBYS.? Also upgraded? was PEI's CHTN from 1190 to 720, the latter audible around the shorelines north? and south of Boston.? Both stations spent a ton of money upgrading, only to? go to FM 15 years later. ---BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 4 13:33:13 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:33:13 -0400 Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland References: <1270494680-1309728200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-156695388-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry><127CF09AA23D4D7BAA1AC86E75A2F2CA@SatU205S5044><3ABA12147F354E46BE192897DCA22B71@PhilsLaptop><5D6F1A5754A64AE8B7888B74AC911EDB@SatU205S5044><1835727095-1309781891-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1423411421-@b18.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <7F15FE03088446E288BD48A47E7DE2E0@SatU205S5044> I imagine that if you asked some of those folks why they never bothered to travel off the island, they'd say that they live in paradise; why would they even think of leaving--even if only for a vacation? Life may not be very exciting on PEI, but it certainly seems pleasant--if you can tolerate a low level of excitement! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "bri" Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland > > Another interesting fact I learned from an islander (VY2UA for the > hams) is that 25 percent of people born in PEI never leave the > island in their lifetime. I believe that figure was from before the > bridge was built. > From Jibguy@aol.com Mon Jul 4 14:32:30 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: as the sun sets in St John's, Newfoundland Message-ID: <1c9ac.7e8e187b.3b43613e@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/2011 1:35:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: I imagine that if you asked some of those folks why they never bothered to travel off the island, they'd say that they live in paradise; why would they even think of leaving--even if only for a vacation? Life may not be very exciting on PEI, but it certainly seems pleasant--if you can tolerate a low level of excitement! Same reason why so many people never leave Maine. (except to hear better radio in Boston?) ---BB From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jul 5 19:32:27 2011 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 19:32:27 -0400 Subject: Larry Kruger Has Passed Away, Worked In Providence & Boston Message-ID: <808BFD1B8AAB4DF0AC1AF8D67D8227FB@Mark> The Providence Journal and WJAR-TV, as well as Scott Fybush on his NERW Facebook page are reporting that Larry Kruger passed away at the age of 66. Kruger spent 15 years as the late Salty Brine's co-host/sidekick on WPRO. He also worked a B101 in Providence and also did weekends/fill in at WODS some years back. He was inducted into the RI Radio Hall of Fame this past May. Link to article from the Providence Journal: http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/07/larry-kruger-dies-was-sidekick.html Mark Watson From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Sat Jul 2 17:48:46 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:48:46 -0400 Subject: A special visitor to Gary's Ice Cream tonight Message-ID: Bob Kennedy actually became a pretty big deal on WLS-TV. It led to Chicago-based Sears, Roebuck &Co .hiring him to start the Craftsman Eager-1 on live TV sporting events, most notable on ABC college hoops and NBA games, WLS being an ABC O&O. The sell line was "starts first try, every try" but on occasion it didn't. Like in the first ad during a college hoop game, it sputtered and died. http://www.searsarchives.com/brands/detail/craftsman/craftsman1971.htm They had a scoreboard posted next to the mower and it started the overwhelming part of the time but the risk that it might not made the ads very effective. Kennedy was in line to become the first host of AM America on the ABC television network when he up and died of cancer. Instead, ABC used Bill Beutel which resulted in a more news-oriented approach than one would think Kennedy would have taken, and trhe program foundered as a news-oriented alternative to Today, so AM American was reworked into Good Morning America with David Hartman. One can only wonder if Kennedy's "people, places and ideas" approach was what they were looking for when he died and they ended up with the more news-oriented show with Beutel as the front-man before reworking the show into the less news-intensive Hartman vehicle. Kennedy's morning show on WLS was replaced by "AM Chicago" which was eventually hosted by Oprah Winfrey who did so well with it that it begat an empire.. Irony of ironies, Paul Benzaquin also left Boston for Chicago and also went to WLS, to host a late-nite TV show and clearing the way for Gene Burns to come to Boston from WBAL to replace him for one year, until Benzaquin took his job back, but the program manager of WEEI at the time came back to Boston as General Manager of WRKO and hired Burns from Miami to switch the talker from lifestyle to issue talk in mid-day, which led the station to top the Arbitron ratings in the 80s and early 90s before American Radio and its predessors got its hands on the station and destroyed it while doing quite well by using radio cash flow as a hedge fund to leverage deregulation into piles of cash before deciding they didn't like radio as much as they liked the towers. Karen McT. From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Jul 6 00:41:37 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 00:41:37 -0400 Subject: Bloston radio in the Maritimes Message-ID: <24D28AA9A5FE438FA2CC2077ED04F942@chrisHP> During my teen years I spent a few weeks of the summer with family in New Brunswick and PEI, I remember on my first trip being amazed driving through St. John the flawless day and nighttime reception of WHDH, WNAC, WEEI, WBZ, WEZE and WMEX on the Delco radio in my 63 Chevy Impala. This continued to Moncton where I had family. Again staying with cousins on the North Cape of PEI the 50KW?s stayed very strong and WMEX was listenable. At night on my GE AM/FM table radio a real surprise with what I heard loud and clear......everything and more including ?The Music Theater station WBOS? as if I were sitting in a house in Oak Hill, a hell of a lot better than at my house in Salem on the North Shore. CJRW Summerside 250 watter on 1240 just like being next door day and night at 120 miles, my cousins listened to a station in Antigonish, NS at least 250 miles away day and night on the Canadian GE radio in their kitchen. They had only got electricity in 1965 and purchased their first TV also CGE while I was there. I installed an attic antenna system for them. A yagi for channel 2 Moncton and a yagi for CFCY-TV 13 in Charlottetown, great reception for 150 miles away. Transmitter antenna heights were under 700?. FM dial never had anything at all even on my last trip in the mid 70?s.....no Confederation bridge then, just the ferry, one I recall a being named the Abigweigh Other AM nighttime reception was out of a DX?ers dream as many part of the island still had no electricity. With PEI?s isolation from noise I remember hearing anything there was to hear from east of the Mississippi and Eastern Canada loud and clear! From gallen2@nescaum.org Wed Jul 6 12:11:59 2011 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:11:59 -0400 Subject: Bloston radio in the Maritimes Message-ID: <125b4a0d-6775-447a-a0b9-d1c5935ace74@MERCURY.nescaum.org> Oohhhh.... WBOS Music Theater... now *that* brings back moldy memories. And... I've actually been to Antigonish! George From: Chris Hall Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 00:41:37 -0400 Subject: Bloston radio in the Maritimes At night on my GE AM/FM table radio a real surprise with what I heard loud and clear......everything and more including "The Music Theater station WBOS" as if I were sitting in a house in Oak Hill, a hell of a lot better than at my house in Salem on the North Shore. CJRW Summerside 250 watter on 1240 just like being next door day and night at 120 miles, my cousins listened to a station in Antigonish, NS From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 6 14:17:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:17:33 -0400 Subject: Boston radio in the Maritimes References: <125b4a0d-6775-447a-a0b9-d1c5935ace74@MERCURY.nescaum.org> Message-ID: <757DCB5C037549C793B354CB980BFCF3@SatU205S5044> And the AM in Antigonish (the accent is on the nish, BTW) was CJFX 580 originally with 5 kW-U DA-1 two towers, figure-eight pattern protecting WTAG, then later 10 kW-U DA-1. Nice signal in a rather sparsely populated area. However, I believe that, for many years, there was no station in Port Hawkesbury and until the new station signed on (CIGO 1410 10-kW-U DA-1 two towers, east-facing cardoid), CJFX served that community as well as Antigonish. I note that CJFX was eventually granted 25 kW DA-1and was reclassified as a Class A AM. I'm skeptical that that final upgrade was ever built, however, and CJFX moved to FM several years ago. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Bloston radio in the Maritimes > Oohhhh.... WBOS Music Theater... now *that* brings back moldy > memories. And... I've actually been to Antigonish! > George > > > From: Chris Hall > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 00:41:37 -0400 > Subject: Bloston radio in the Maritimes > At night on my GE AM/FM table radio a real surprise with what I > heard loud and clear......everything > and more including "The Music Theater station WBOS" as if I were > sitting in a house in Oak Hill, a hell of a lot better than at my > house in Salem > on the North Shore. CJRW Summerside 250 watter on 1240 just like > being next door day and night at 120 miles, my cousins listened to a > station in Antigonish, NS > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 05:07:03 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:03 +0000 Subject: =?Windows-1252?B?Q0JTIGJyb2FkY2FzdHMgYWx0ZXJlZCB2aWV3cyBvZiBCb3N0b26ScyBGb3VydGggb2YgSnVseSBmaXJld29ya3MgLSBUaGUgQm9zdG9uIEdsb2Jl?= Message-ID: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/08/cbs_broadcasts_altered_views_of_bostons_fourth_of_july_fireworks/?sudsredirect=true The crew was wondering if anybody would notice....but this is Boston. Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. This year the order of music was changed as well and CBS did not want the Stanley Cup involved as it is a NBC property. Same applied to the Red Sox segment that was not shown. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 07:40:48 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:40:48 +0000 Subject: NESN, CSNNE are battling it out for viewers Message-ID: <310724171-1310125248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1505255692-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> NESN pays top dollar for Bruins/Red Sox productions but everything out of Watertown is done on the cheap. CSN went the extra mile in Vancouver doing HD on site. NESN made Jack Edwards pay his own way. I suspect in 5 years Comcast may well own NESN and the Red Sox. Who else could afford them? http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2011/07/08/nesn_csnne_are_battling_it_out_for_viewers/?sudsredirect=true From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 08:20:47 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:20:47 +0000 Subject: NESN, CSNNE are battling it out for viewers Message-ID: <1898515454-1310127648-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-580497282-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I am surprised Tom Werner has allowed this to happen....example CSN had Bruins news conferences live - NESN did not ------Original Message------ From: Sean Smyth To: Boston Radio To: Kevin Vahey ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: NESN, CSNNE are battling it out for viewers Sent: Jul 8, 2011 7:48 AM On Fri, 7/8/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NESN pays top dollar for Bruins/Red > Sox productions but everything out of Watertown is done on > the cheap. > > CSN went the extra mile in Vancouver doing HD on site. NESN > made Jack Edwards pay his own way. In the old days, when it was NESN and SportsChannel, it was the other way around. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 07:48:11 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 04:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NESN, CSNNE are battling it out for viewers In-Reply-To: <310724171-1310125248-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1505255692-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310125691.25105.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 7/8/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NESN pays top dollar for Bruins/Red > Sox productions but everything out of Watertown is done on > the cheap. > > CSN went the extra mile in Vancouver doing HD on site. NESN > made Jack Edwards pay his own way. In the old days, when it was NESN and SportsChannel, it was the other way around. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 8 07:32:40 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 07:32:40 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of =?utf-8?b?Qm9zdG9u4oCZcw==?= Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe Message-ID: <20110708073240.pjhah5tqso0kg8sg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> You can be sure . . . if it's Westinghouse. ?:-) ? ? ? On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:03 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/08/cbs_broadcasts_altered_views_of_bostons_fourth_of_july_fireworks/?sudsredirect=true > > The crew was wondering if anybody would notice....but this is Boston. > > Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. > > This year the order of music was changed as well and CBS did not want > the Stanley Cup involved as it is a NBC property. Same applied to the > Red Sox segment that was not shown. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 09:00:38 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:00:38 +0000 Subject: =?Windows-1252?B?UmU6IENCUyBicm9hZGNhc3RzIGFsdGVyZWQgdmlld3Mgb2YgQm9zdG9uknNGb3VydGggb2YgSnVseSBmaXJld29ya3MgLSBUaGUgQm9zdG9uIEdsb2Jl?= Message-ID: <1105909947-1310130040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-51241427-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Mugar has destroyed the program Fiedler created. He THINKS he knows TV but his WNEV made RKO General look good. He sold his soul to CBS because A&E/WCVB wasn't good enough. I don't blame WBZ - but give it back to WCVB CBS would not even allow Channel 4 to stream the local broadcast - just allowed audio. ------Original Message------ From: Doug Drown To: Boston Radio To: Kevin Vahey Subject: Re: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston?sFourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe Sent: Jul 8, 2011 7:32 AM You can be sure . . . if it's Westinghouse. ?:-) ? ? ? On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:03 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/08/cbs_broadcasts_altered_views_of_bostons_fourth_of_july_fireworks/?sudsredirect=true > > The crew was wondering if anybody would notice....but this is Boston. > > Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. > > This year the order of music was changed as well and CBS did not want > the Stanley Cup involved as it is a NBC property. Same applied to the > Red Sox segment that was not shown. > > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 10:15:57 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_CBS_broadcasts_altered_views_of_Boston's_Fourth_of_Jul?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?y_fireworks_-_The_Boston_Globe?= References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> I watched the CBS hour....and wondered why I was listening to recorded "pop" (not "pops") music while the fireworks were going off...and not the orchestra. The Boston pops only seemed to play for the 1812 and the 'sing-a-long'. Once they went to the fireworks display, they went to a some recorded tracks. >>> Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. You mean the home screens? The lyrics were on the jumbotrons for the people at the shell, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:07 AM Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe > > http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/08/cbs_broadcasts_altered_views_of_bostons_fourth_of_july_fireworks/?sudsredirect=true > > The crew was wondering if anybody would notice....but this is Boston. > > Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. > > This year the order of music was changed as well and CBS did not want the > Stanley Cup involved as it is a NBC property. > > Same applied to the Red Sox segment that was not shown. > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jul 8 11:03:40 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:03:40 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> Message-ID: <008901cc3d80$39c790b0$ad56b210$@net> > I watched the CBS hour....and wondered why I was listening to recorded > "pop" > (not "pops") music while the fireworks were going off...and not the > orchestra. The Boston pops only seemed to play for the 1812 and the > 'sing-a-long'. That's how it's been for as long as I can remember. I remember when 102.5 WCRB would broadcast the event, thinking how strange it was hearing them playing that music. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 11:07:34 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NESN, CSNNE are battling it out for viewers In-Reply-To: <1898515454-1310127648-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-580497282-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1898515454-1310127648-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-580497282-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310137654.34332.YahooMailRC@web161311.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I know that previous to the NBCU deal that Comcast was very interested in not only NESN but what?are now the ROOT RSNs (Pittsburgh, Seattle, Denver). Not sure if it is feasable?now?due to corporate structure and the current economy. Tom Werner orginally wanted to turn NESN back to a pay channel, so maybe his contribution to that end of the business is overstated. I remember that after the last game of the 2004 World Series NESN was still in an infomercial while then-FSN New England had Greg Dickerson grabbing players for intereviews on the field. From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Jul 8 12:09:45 2011 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:09:45 -0400 Subject: Mugar and BSO-TT Message-ID: <529d4603-1a26-4205-b490-d93b494e5f62@MERCURY.nescaum.org> Speaking of Mugar -- didn't he have something todo with the BSO-TT? I'm still wondering what happened to all those tapes -- ~40 year's worth. What a loss if they don't get transferred to a more stable media... George From: Kevin Vahey To: Doug Drown , Boston Radio Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:00:38 -0400 Subject: Re: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston'sFourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe Mugar has destroyed the program Fiedler created. He THINKS he knows TV but his WNEV made RKO General look good. From lspin@comcast.net Fri Jul 8 12:32:50 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:32:50 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> Message-ID: <003301cc3d8c$ae3311c0$0a993540$@net> I watched briefly, but long enough to see some Boston landmarks superimposed over the fireworks show, including Fenway Park, Quincy Market and a very fake-looking image of the State House. It made me think, "Cheese-y." -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:16 AM I watched the CBS hour....and wondered why I was listening to recorded "pop" (not "pops") music while the fireworks were going off...and not the orchestra. The Boston pops only seemed to play for the 1812 and the 'sing-a-long'. Once they went to the fireworks display, they went to a some recorded tracks. >>> Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on screen. You mean the home screens? The lyrics were on the jumbotrons for the people at the shell, right? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 12:19:32 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:19:32 -0400 Subject: CBS Boston and IBEW ( local 1228 ) Message-ID: Little curious IBEW has just entered into a new contract with CBS but Boston is not listed as one of the markets. http://www.cbscorporation.com/news-article.php?id=799 The IBEW represents CBS workers in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., St. Louis, San Francisco, Dallas, Miami and Atlanta, in addition to supplying a skilled workforce for all events televised on CBS Sports and CBS News. Now I notice that Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Baltimore are not listed (but San Fran is) Do the old Westinghouse stations have a different deal? From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 8 18:48:35 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:48:35 -0400 Subject: CBS Boston and IBEW ( local 1228 ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412F18AB-5789-4FE5-A324-C29F6FB1CFD7@mac.com> WBZ-TV has a local contract with IBEW 1228, which is different from the national IBEW-CBS contract. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone Big freekin deal! On Jul 8, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Little curious > > IBEW has just entered into a new contract with CBS but Boston is not > listed as one of the markets. > > http://www.cbscorporation.com/news-article.php?id=799 > > The IBEW represents CBS workers in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, > Washington, D.C., St. Louis, San Francisco, Dallas, Miami and Atlanta, > in addition to supplying a skilled workforce for all events televised > on CBS Sports and CBS News. > > Now I notice that Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Baltimore are not > listed (but San Fran is) Do the old Westinghouse stations have a > different deal? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 8 19:32:20 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:32:20 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> Message-ID: <4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> On 7/8/2011 10:15 AM, Don wrote: >>> Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on >>> screen. > > You mean the home screens? The lyrics were on the jumbotrons for the > people at the shell, right? I don't think Mugar controls the concert at the shell. It's the orchestra management that arranges the jumbotrons. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 8 21:27:49 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 01:27:49 +0000 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks- The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035><4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <131812407-1310174870-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1432582677-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Mugar pays for the screens from Capron Joe -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:32:20 To: Subject: Re: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe On 7/8/2011 10:15 AM, Don wrote: >>> Throw in Mugar refusing to show the lyrics of the sing-a-long on >>> screen. > > You mean the home screens? The lyrics were on the jumbotrons for the > people at the shell, right? I don't think Mugar controls the concert at the shell. It's the orchestra management that arranges the jumbotrons. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 8 22:03:43 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:03:43 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks- The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <131812407-1310174870-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1432582677-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035><4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> <131812407-1310174870-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1432582677-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E17B6FF.7040402@attorneyross.com> On 7/8/2011 9:27 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Mugar pays for the screens from Capron Joe OK, thanks. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jul 8 23:14:09 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:14:09 -0400 Subject: CBS broadcasts altered views of Boston's Fourth of July fireworks - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <003301cc3d8c$ae3311c0$0a993540$@net> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> <003301cc3d8c$ae3311c0$0a993540$@net> Message-ID: <4E17C781.1080607@server4.gabrielmass.com> When a series of "footprints" fireworks was faked in computer graphics for the Peking Olympics, there was a bit of a fuss against it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26139005/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/part-olympic-display-altered-broadcast/ Here's the famous phony footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRpRDirHPh4 So David Mugar has followed in Peking's, um, footsteps. Pfui. --RC On 07/08/2011 12:32 PM, Lou wrote: > I watched briefly, but long enough to see some Boston landmarks superimposed > over the fireworks show, including Fenway Park, Quincy Market and a very > fake-looking image of the State House. It made me think, "Cheese-y." > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 9 01:00:23 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:00:23 -0400 Subject: My First Speaking Gig on the North Shore In-Reply-To: <4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> References: <1277379948-1310116024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899527012-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <42DC246F3E3242A3B47908F21DF1D680@s20035> <4E179384.4080100@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4E17E067.1080504@donnahalper.com> I have the privilege of doing a speaking engagement in support of my Boston radio book in Danvers on Wednesday, along with media critic extraordinaire Dan Kennedy. I'll be discussing some North Shore radio history in addition to chatting about greater Boston radio (and signing books, of course). http://www.dankennedy.net/2011/07/09/donna-halper-to-speak-on-boston-radio-history/ From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jul 9 08:59:46 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:59:46 +0000 Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored Message-ID: <20110709125946.45430@gmx.com> http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-08/business/29752710_1_cross-ownership-media-ownership-rules-fcc A ban on media cross ownership (newspapers and TV stations under common ownership in same market) has been restored, despite some holding views that there is more than enough diversity of ownership and views. In some cases owners are grandfathered in (Chicago: Tribune, WGN). You may recall in 1994, Rupert Murdoch was forced to sell The Boston Herald (to his employee Patrick Purcell) since he couldn't own both that and WFXT-Ch 25. I remember Ted Kennedy (prob. no fan of the tabloid) calling in to the Jerry Williams show about it. >>The decision is a setback for media conglomerates, which argue that consumers have more sources of information than ever in an age of 24-hour cable television and an endless supply of online news outlets Is there enough media ownership diversity out there? I will note that the rule affects newspapers and TV stations, not radio (example: Boston Phoenix owning WFNX). I wasn't sure if radio was affected in the past. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jul 9 10:31:12 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:31:12 +0000 Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored Message-ID: <20110709143112.45430@gmx.com> What about NYC where Murdoch's News Corp. owns the NY Post and "Fox Television Stations" (according to Wikipedia) owns WNYW-TV, Fox flagship? Is it considered the same owner or separate corporations? ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Drown Sent: 07/09/11 10:25 AM To: BostonRadio Mailing List, Bob Nelson Subject: Re: Media cross-ownership ban restored How many such cross-ownerships still exist? I can think of only a handful: WTMJ Milwaukee (Journal Sentinel), WSB Atlanta (Journal-Constitution), KSL Salt Lake City (Deseret News), and WGN. I'm scratching my head to come up with others. There used to be a lot of 'em. -Doug From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 9 10:25:15 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:25:15 -0400 Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored Message-ID: <20110709102515.6x4939uxccok8kks@webmail.myfairpoint.net> How many such cross-ownerships still exist? ?I can think of only a handful: ?WTMJ Milwaukee (Journal Sentinel), WSB Atlanta (Journal-Constitution), KSL Salt Lake City (Deseret News), and WGN. ?I'm scratching my head to come up with others. ?There used to be a lot of 'em. ? ?-Doug On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:59:46 +0000, Bob Nelson wrote: http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-08/business/29752710_1_cross-ownership-media-ownership-rules-fcc > > A ban on media cross ownership (newspapers and TV stations under > common ownership in same market) has been restored, despite some > holding views that there is more than enough diversity of ownership > and views. In some cases owners are grandfathered in (Chicago: > Tribune, WGN). You may recall in 1994, Rupert Murdoch was forced to > sell The Boston Herald (to his employee Patrick Purcell) since he > couldn't own both that and WFXT-Ch 25. I remember Ted Kennedy (prob. > no fan of the tabloid) calling in to the Jerry Williams show about it. > > >>The decision is a setback for media conglomerates, which argue > that consumers have more sources of information than ever in an age > of 24-hour cable television and an endless supply of online news > outlets > > Is there enough media ownership diversity out there? I will note > that the rule affects newspapers and > TV stations, not radio (example: Boston Phoenix owning WFNX). I > wasn't sure if radio was affected in the past. > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jul 9 11:43:44 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:43:44 -0400 Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored In-Reply-To: <20110709102515.6x4939uxccok8kks@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110709102515.6x4939uxccok8kks@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <005601cc3e4e$fcadc6c0$f6095440$@net> > How many such cross-ownerships still exist? I can think of only a > handful: WTMJ Milwaukee (Journal Sentinel), WSB Atlanta > (Journal-Constitution), KSL Salt Lake City (Deseret News), and WGN. > I'm scratching my head to come up with others. There used to be a > lot of 'em. -Doug Dayton, OH is another example. Cox owns the Dayton Daily News, WHIO-TV 7, and a group of radio stations including WHIO AM/FM. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 11:51:01 2011 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored In-Reply-To: <20110709102515.6x4939uxccok8kks@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <1310226661.4966.YahooMailClassic@web125509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In Dallas Texas, WFAA-TV and the Dallas Morning News are owned by the Belo Corporation. Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Doug Drown wrote: > How many such cross-ownerships still > exist? ?I can think of only a handful: ?WTMJ Milwaukee > (Journal Sentinel), WSB Atlanta (Journal-Constitution), KSL > Salt Lake City (Deseret News), and WGN. ?I'm scratching my > head to come up with others. ?There used to be a lot of > 'em. ? ?-Doug From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 13:22:16 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored In-Reply-To: <20110709102515.6x4939uxccok8kks@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <1310232136.27952.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 7/9/11, Doug Drown wrote: > How many such cross-ownerships still > exist? ?I can think of only a handful: ?WTMJ Milwaukee > (Journal Sentinel), WSB Atlanta (Journal-Constitution), KSL > Salt Lake City (Deseret News), and WGN. ?I'm scratching my > head to come up with others. ?There used to be a lot of > 'em. ? ?-Doug Hartford is probably the most relevant, with Channel 20 and the Courant owned by Tribune. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 9 15:59:32 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:32 +0000 Subject: WGBH builds Boston TV news archive - The Boston Globe Message-ID: <1641265850-1310241574-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-856419594-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WGBH is in the process of putting old news film and tape as far back as 1959 in a digital archive that will be available. The old WHDH-TV library is included as is WCVB and WGBH. WBZ and WFXT seem to be interested as well. http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/09/wgbh_builds_boston_tv_news_archive/?sudsredirect=true From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 17:26:13 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Media cross-ownership ban restored In-Reply-To: <1310232136.27952.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310232136.27952.YahooMailClassic@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310246773.8786.YahooMailRC@web161310.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> And also WTIC channel 61 - is Tribune still fighting for a waiver? ________________________________ From: Sean Smyth Hartford is probably the most relevant, with Channel 20 and the Courant owned by Tribune. From ka3zci@yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 21:34:04 2011 From: ka3zci@yahoo.com (Robert Paine) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CBS Boston Pops Fourth debacle Message-ID: <1310261644.8572.YahooMailClassic@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?I was going to write a big blurb about?CBS trashing the concert (in my view) but remembered something in Rich Little's A Christmas Carol. Bob Cratchit (Little impersonated Paul Lynde for the part), when asked what he thought of the Christmas dinner prepared from a meager salary, responded "Offensive."?That pretty well sums up what I think of the?CBS broadcast. It's gone?WA-A-AY downhill since the?days of WCVB and A&E's joint ventures.? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:40:42 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:40:42 +0000 Subject: CBS Boston Pops Fourth debacle In-Reply-To: <1310261644.8572.YahooMailClassic@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1310261644.8572.YahooMailClassic@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1170122159-1310265642-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979820974-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I think this blogger nailed it http://bythebanksoftherivercharles.blogspot.com/2011/07/open-letter-to-david-mugar-arthur.html -----Original Message----- From: Robert Paine Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:34:04 To: Subject: CBS Boston Pops Fourth debacle ?I was going to write a big blurb about?CBS trashing the concert (in my view) but remembered something in Rich Little's A Christmas Carol. Bob Cratchit (Little impersonated Paul Lynde for the part), when asked what he thought of the Christmas dinner prepared from a meager salary, responded "Offensive."?That pretty well sums up what I think of the?CBS broadcast. It's gone?WA-A-AY downhill since the?days of WCVB and A&E's joint ventures.? From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:32:07 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:32:07 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast Message-ID: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees radio network. What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network to speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is it. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 12 01:31:15 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 01:31:15 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast References: Message-ID: <1FF7506E68E2426FBCBFA71C1616E374@SatU205S5044> Aren't the Mets on radio in New York City?--on WFAN (and if not WFAN, then on WEPN). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network > to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is > it. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 01:47:58 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:47:58 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast Message-ID: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Yes the Mets are on 660 but they only have stations in Albany and Amsterdam, NY besides WFAN. Sure 660 gives them coverage but NYY has 880 but still has many other stations wants NYY badly but I am not sure the Yankees want to lose New Jersey and upstate as WEPN does protect CHUM Toronto. ------Original Message------ From: Dan.Strassberg To: Kevin Vahey To: bri ReplyTo: Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Sent: Jul 12, 2011 1:31 AM Aren't the Mets on radio in New York City?--on WFAN (and if not WFAN, then on WEPN). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "bri" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network > to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is > it. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 08:52:28 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:52:28 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <22FD652314CE4D65A98746CB03F9B138@SatU205S5044> References: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><22FD652314CE4D65A98746CB03F9B138@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <274563657-1310475149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1364423216-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Reality is WEPN's night signal vanishes north of Westchester.... If NYY changes outlets I would suspect WABC. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:33:21 To: ; bri Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast WEPN's much maligned signal does not really protect CHUM! WEPN's signal toward CHUM is equivalent to ~10 kW ND. WEPN's primary protections are to KYW and the Mexican border. CHUM's minimum radiation at night is at 162 degrees true, somewhat to the west of WEPN. At that azimuth, CHUM's night signal (if you believe it; I don't) is supposed to be the equivalent of a little more than 1W ND! (Not 1 kW--1W!.) The azimuth from CHUM to WEPN is 117 degrees true. CHUM's night signal at that azimuth is supposed to be equivalent to less than 50W ND. I think that CHUM's night pattern should be augmented to make it agree better with reality. I suspect that CHUM is the main co-channel contributor to WEPN's NIF. Even so, CHUM protects WEPN but WEPN does not return the favor. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "bri" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Yes the Mets are on 660 but they only have stations in Albany and > Amsterdam, NY besides WFAN. Sure 660 gives them coverage but NYY has > 880 but still has many other stations wants NYY badly but I am not > sure the Yankees want to lose New Jersey and upstate as WEPN does > protect CHUM Toronto. > ------Original Message------ > From: Dan.Strassberg > To: Kevin Vahey > To: bri > ReplyTo: Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Sent: Jul 12, 2011 1:31 AM > > Aren't the Mets on radio in New York City?--on WFAN (and if not > WFAN, > then on WEPN). > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "bri" > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:32 PM > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > >> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >> >> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees >> radio network. >> >> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network >> to >> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is >> it. > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 08:09:38 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > To: "bri" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and > Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no > network to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and > that is it. I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 08:20:21 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:20:21 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the Whitestone. I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship in the 70's. BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 To: bri; Kevin Vahey Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > To: "bri" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and > Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no > network to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and > that is it. I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 12 09:21:11 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:21:11 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <274563657-1310475149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1364423216-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><22FD652314CE4D65A98746CB03F9B138@SatU205S5044> <274563657-1310475149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1364423216-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1C4A47.2040807@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Reality is WEPN's night signal vanishes north of Westchester.... > > If NYY changes outlets I would suspect WABC. If NYY changes outlets, it would be to FM...either to WEPN if it can secure an FM home (unlikely now that 101.9 is spoken for), or to 101.9 if Merlin in fact takes it to a news-talk format. I strongly suspect the latter to be more likely than the former...though I think remaining on 880 is much more likely than either. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 12 07:33:21 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:33:21 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast References: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <22FD652314CE4D65A98746CB03F9B138@SatU205S5044> WEPN's much maligned signal does not really protect CHUM! WEPN's signal toward CHUM is equivalent to ~10 kW ND. WEPN's primary protections are to KYW and the Mexican border. CHUM's minimum radiation at night is at 162 degrees true, somewhat to the west of WEPN. At that azimuth, CHUM's night signal (if you believe it; I don't) is supposed to be the equivalent of a little more than 1W ND! (Not 1 kW--1W!.) The azimuth from CHUM to WEPN is 117 degrees true. CHUM's night signal at that azimuth is supposed to be equivalent to less than 50W ND. I think that CHUM's night pattern should be augmented to make it agree better with reality. I suspect that CHUM is the main co-channel contributor to WEPN's NIF. Even so, CHUM protects WEPN but WEPN does not return the favor. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "bri" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Yes the Mets are on 660 but they only have stations in Albany and > Amsterdam, NY besides WFAN. Sure 660 gives them coverage but NYY has > 880 but still has many other stations wants NYY badly but I am not > sure the Yankees want to lose New Jersey and upstate as WEPN does > protect CHUM Toronto. > ------Original Message------ > From: Dan.Strassberg > To: Kevin Vahey > To: bri > ReplyTo: Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Sent: Jul 12, 2011 1:31 AM > > Aren't the Mets on radio in New York City?--on WFAN (and if not > WFAN, > then on WEPN). > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "bri" > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:32 PM > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > >> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >> >> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees >> radio network. >> >> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network >> to >> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is >> it. > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jul 12 09:09:04 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:09:04 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1655911154-1310449679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582921573-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1C4770.4090301@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Yes the Mets are on 660 but they only have stations in Albany and > Amsterdam, NY besides WFAN. Sure 660 gives them coverage but NYY has > 880 but still has many other stations wants NYY badly but I am not > sure the Yankees want to lose New Jersey and upstate as WEPN does > protect CHUM Toronto. The fan bases for the two teams are very, very different. The Yankees have always enjoyed a widespread fan base that stretches all the way upstate and, yes, pretty deeply into southern New England, too. Aside from a small number of transplants from downstate, there's simply not a passionate Mets fan base to speak of up here in Rochester, or in Syracuse or Albany or even Buffalo or Binghamton, where the Mets have their AAA and AA farm teams, respectively. It's much more common to see someone wearing Red Sox gear (and not just in my household!) around here than it is to see someone in a Mets cap or with a Mets license plate on their car. WFAN simply does a phenomenal job of blanketing the core of Mets territory, and WOFX in Troy/Albany picks up the smaller knot of Mets partisans around Albany. I suspect the team could benefit from an affiliate in the central Hudson Valley, where WFAN can get a little noisy on stormy days, and maybe out on the eastern tip of Long Island, too, but otherwise there's probably no other team whose fan base can be so completely encompassed by a single signal as the Mets and WFAN. (A big-signal Miami AM, if such a beast existed, could probably do the same thing for the Marlins, come to think of it...) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 12 10:31:47 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:31:47 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> Do you mean 99.1 rather than 99.5? The Sox were on 99.1 and 1390 in what? the '70s? And you've left out a few, such as 1330 (for night games only) when the construction of the State St South office complex in Quincy decimated 1510's already putrid night signal in the western suburbs (both inside and outside of 128; 1330 helped mostly inside). I also believe that, at one time, the Sox were on 107.9 for night games when 107.9 was WWEL-FM and probably before the transmitter moved to the Pru. If that's correct, 107.9 had much less than a full-market signal; the HAAT from the top of the 1430 tower at 99 Rever Beach Parkway must have been about 100'. Surprisingly, I don't think the Sox were ever on 1150. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: ; "bri" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 > over the Whitestone. > > I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the > flagship in the 70's. > > BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over > the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Smyth > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 > To: bri; Kevin Vahey > Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast >> To: "bri" >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM >> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >> >> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and >> Yankees >> radio network. >> >> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no >> network to >> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and >> that is it. > > I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with > some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their > A-ball team for a spell. > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 10:36:46 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:46 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> My mistake I meant 99.1 :) -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:34:42 To: ; ; bri Reply-To: "Paul Hopfgarten" Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) Just think...Gloria Gainor "I will survive" into a big Sox-NYY series pre-game......or, if we lost, come out of the game with the Tramps "Burn Baby Burn Disco Inferno......there were so many possibilities! (99.5 maybe simulcast the Bruins in the 1510 WSSH days?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH PS: Who bought 102.3 Concord and when the #@*& are they going to go on the air? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM To: ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the Whitestone. I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship in the 70's. BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 To: bri; Kevin Vahey Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > To: "bri" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and > Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no > network to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and > that is it. I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 10:12:15 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310479935.69684.YahooMailRC@web161314.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The story I heard was that Tom Yawkey didn't like the music on 1030 during the 50s, and part of the reason they wound up on 99.5 was that Mrs. Yawkey like the dixieland format. AFAIK there has never been a serious bid from?WBZ for the package. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jul 12 10:52:48 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <74A68EEF93A4470AB52575239FE438B8@PaulPC> Was that in the WDLW country music days? (I thought 1330 was during the 99.1 regime..) -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:31 AM To: kvahey@gmail.com ; ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Do you mean 99.1 rather than 99.5? The Sox were on 99.1 and 1390 in what? the '70s? And you've left out a few, such as 1330 (for night games only) when the construction of the State St South office complex in Quincy decimated 1510's already putrid night signal in the western suburbs (both inside and outside of 128; 1330 helped mostly inside). I also believe that, at one time, the Sox were on 107.9 for night games when 107.9 was WWEL-FM and probably before the transmitter moved to the Pru. If that's correct, 107.9 had much less than a full-market signal; the HAAT from the top of the 1430 tower at 99 Rever Beach Parkway must have been about 100'. Surprisingly, I don't think the Sox were ever on 1150. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: ; "bri" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the > Whitestone. > > I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship > in the 70's. > > BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the > decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Smyth > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 > To: bri; Kevin Vahey > Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast >> To: "bri" >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM >> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >> >> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and >> Yankees >> radio network. >> >> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no >> network to >> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and >> that is it. > > I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some > Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team > for a spell. > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jul 5 10:34:42 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:34:42 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) Just think...Gloria Gainor "I will survive" into a big Sox-NYY series pre-game......or, if we lost, come out of the game with the Tramps "Burn Baby Burn Disco Inferno......there were so many possibilities! (99.5 maybe simulcast the Bruins in the 1510 WSSH days?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH PS: Who bought 102.3 Concord and when the #@*& are they going to go on the air? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM To: ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the Whitestone. I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship in the 70's. BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 To: bri; Kevin Vahey Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > To: "bri" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and > Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no > network to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and > that is it. I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jul 12 11:39:43 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:39:43 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <74A68EEF93A4470AB52575239FE438B8@PaulPC> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> <74A68EEF93A4470AB52575239FE438B8@PaulPC> Message-ID: I have tapes of the 1986 playoffs, with 99.1 WPLM as the flagship, but they were recorded off 680 WRKO (an affiliate). Jeff Lehmann On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:52 AM, "Paul Hopfgarten" wrote: > Was that in the WDLW country music days? (I thought 1330 was during the 99.1 regime..) > > -Paul H > > -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:31 AM > To: kvahey@gmail.com ; ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > Do you mean 99.1 rather than 99.5? The Sox were on 99.1 and 1390 in > what? the '70s? And you've left out a few, such as 1330 (for night > games only) when the construction of the State St South office complex > in Quincy decimated 1510's already putrid night signal in the western > suburbs (both inside and outside of 128; 1330 helped mostly inside). I > also believe that, at one time, the Sox were on 107.9 for night games > when 107.9 was WWEL-FM and probably before the transmitter moved to > the Pru. If that's correct, 107.9 had much less than a full-market > signal; the HAAT from the top of the 1430 tower at 99 Rever Beach > Parkway must have been about 100'. Surprisingly, I don't think the Sox > were ever on 1150. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: ; "bri" > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > >> Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the Whitestone. >> >> I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship in the 70's. >> >> BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean Smyth >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 >> To: bri; Kevin Vahey >> Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com >> Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast >> >> On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> From: Kevin Vahey >>> Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast >>> To: "bri" >>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM >>> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >>> >>> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and >>> Yankees >>> radio network. >>> >>> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no >>> network to >>> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and >>> that is it. >> >> I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 10:39:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:39:30 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><91839575EE6843819D8B5F4887E5B1C7@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <806513178-1310481571-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776959196-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Actually in 1996 they were on 1150 all summer as 850 was at low power for some reason -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:31:47 To: ; ; bri Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Do you mean 99.1 rather than 99.5? The Sox were on 99.1 and 1390 in what? the '70s? And you've left out a few, such as 1330 (for night games only) when the construction of the State St South office complex in Quincy decimated 1510's already putrid night signal in the western suburbs (both inside and outside of 128; 1330 helped mostly inside). I also believe that, at one time, the Sox were on 107.9 for night games when 107.9 was WWEL-FM and probably before the transmitter moved to the Pru. If that's correct, 107.9 had much less than a full-market signal; the HAAT from the top of the 1430 tower at 99 Rever Beach Parkway must have been about 100'. Surprisingly, I don't think the Sox were ever on 1150. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: ; "bri" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 > over the Whitestone. > > I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the > flagship in the 70's. > > BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over > the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Smyth > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 > To: bri; Kevin Vahey > Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com > Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast > > On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast >> To: "bri" >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM >> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nations_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 >> >> Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and >> Yankees >> radio network. >> >> What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no >> network to >> speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and >> that is it. > > I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with > some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their > A-ball team for a spell. > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 11:05:09 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:05:09 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I think at one point there were Mets affiliates in Pittsfield MA and Plattsburgh NY. There was even an Expos affiliate in the Montpelier/Barre area, (not to be confused with the minor league then-Vermont Expos)--though the Pittsfield AM staton in question (WBEC? WBRK?) may have had the minor league Pitts. Mets instead of the National League Mets. I looked up a site about past radio homes for the Expos and found that they once had affiliates in Barre VT (WSNO), Berlin NH (WBRL), and Littleton NH (WLTN) as well as WEAV Plattsburgh NY etc http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?51348-Expos-Radio-Affiliates At one point I believe Yankees games could be heard in the Lake Sunapee/Upper Valley region of NH (perhaps on the 100.5) and just a few years ago the 94.5 in Rutland VT, WDVT, had Yankees baseball. A Wikipedia page listing Yankees radio network stations does list WDVT but a yr or two ago I noticed the game wasn't on that station. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 12 15:44:19 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:44:19 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E1CA413.7070103@attorneyross.com> On 7/12/2011 8:09 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with > some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their > A-ball team for a spell. But don't some Albany stations reach the Berkshires? Some even reach the Pioneer Valley. At night, WPTR (or whatever it is these days) even reaches Boston. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Wed Jul 13 01:46:07 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:46:07 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games Message-ID: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 05:11:43 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WGBH builds Boston TV news archive - The Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <1641265850-1310241574-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-856419594-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310548303.88673.YahooMailClassic@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: ? >WGBH is in the process of putting old news film and tape as far back as 1959 in a digital archive >that will be available. ? ???? And, IMO, the home page should open with a playback of Jack Chase on channel 4 signing off the noon news: "And, make it a good day." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 05:36:49 2011 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...)? . . . ??? OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land?-- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership?? From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 13 07:04:56 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:04:56 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> I?d say YES, it was dysfunctional until the John Henry group took over. Baseball is first and foremost a business (if you want to own a team) and it has to be approached as such. I think IIRC that ?Campbell Communications? had won the right to the Sox (not even a station per se?) and subbed out to WPLM, though I could be wrong and maybe Campbell OWNED WPLM at the time... It was a pretty stupid move, none the less... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH From: Martin Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) . . . OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land -- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:18:53 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:18:53 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <156708503-1310555934-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-133661342-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Part owner of the Sox Haywood Sullivan was a golf buddy of Jack Campbell who owned WPLM - simple as that. PLM had become the FM backup for WITS after WWEL became KISS 108 Now how Dick Richmond got the Sox to move to WMEX from WHDH after the 1975 regular season was the head scratcher. The first night playoff game fans to the west of Boston couldn't hear the games. Yawkey was angry that new HDH owner Blair had changed the format from MOR to soft Top 40 and Richmond then flipped MEX to MOR. WMEX offered Jess Cain big money and Blair simply offered Jess a blank check to stay (Jess hated the music too) Alan Dairy did go to WMEX however. With the Sox onboard Richmond was then able to sell WMEX at an inflated price to an Ohio group known as Mariner Broadcasting who then changed calls to WITS. Mariner tried to save the Sox by moving the transmitter to Waltham from Quincy which of course was a massive blunder. WITS went broke and WPLM got the rights. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Waters Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:36:49 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...)? . . . ??? OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land?-- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership?? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:23:09 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:23:09 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> Message-ID: <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Campbell owned WPLM and also wound up with the Bruins. For Bruins coverage in Boston he used 1330 as a backup. The Soxm then blundered with TV in the 90's leaving WSBK for WABU and then WLVI before just keeping things in house with NESN. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:04:56 To: Martin Waters Reply-To: Paul Hopfgarten Cc: Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast I?d say YES, it was dysfunctional until the John Henry group took over. Baseball is first and foremost a business (if you want to own a team) and it has to be approached as such. I think IIRC that ?Campbell Communications? had won the right to the Sox (not even a station per se?) and subbed out to WPLM, though I could be wrong and maybe Campbell OWNED WPLM at the time... It was a pretty stupid move, none the less... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH From: Martin Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) . . . OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land -- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership? From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 13 07:34:20 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:34:20 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Didn't the Sox also have a short stint on FOX25 WFXT (SOX on FOX)? (And the WLVI deal was not the direct broadcaster IIRC) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:23 AM To: Paul Hopfgarten ; Martin Waters Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Campbell owned WPLM and also wound up with the Bruins. For Bruins coverage in Boston he used 1330 as a backup. The Soxm then blundered with TV in the 90's leaving WSBK for WABU and then WLVI before just keeping things in house with NESN. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:04:56 To: Martin Waters Reply-To: Paul Hopfgarten Cc: Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast I?d say YES, it was dysfunctional until the John Henry group took over. Baseball is first and foremost a business (if you want to own a team) and it has to be approached as such. I think IIRC that ?Campbell Communications? had won the right to the Sox (not even a station per se?) and subbed out to WPLM, though I could be wrong and maybe Campbell OWNED WPLM at the time... It was a pretty stupid move, none the less... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH From: Martin Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) . . . OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land -- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:38:21 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:38:21 +0000 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> Message-ID: <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. The big winner was Dick Richmond who was able to unload a dying WMEX for big bucks. -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:46:07 To: Subject: Red Sox games We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 13 06:58:26 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> Message-ID: <574493233D0E4F908D01EF4C89183D78@PaulPC> Did the (relative) success of Disco on WBOS play a role in the decision of format? I think Boston could have reasonable supported another AOR at that particular point in time, as Baby Boomers like myself were in their teens-20s...and I was NEVER a WBCN fan (I was about a 75/25 split WCOZ/WAAF in those days!) Yes, the leftist politics on BCN did in fact keep me away.... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hall Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:46 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Red Sox games We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 13 07:42:24 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:42:24 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Kevin: I'm quite sure the Sox were still doing nights on WWEL in 1978 (I remember I was a Gas Station Mgr back then and listening to WWEL for the Games at night because EVEN IN RANDOLPH, WMEX was questionable (at least in a 'buzzing' fluorescent lighted area) at night... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:38 AM To: Chris Hall ; boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox games The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. The big winner was Dick Richmond who was able to unload a dying WMEX for big bucks. -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:46:07 To: Subject: Red Sox games We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:42:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:42:29 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <628255215-1310557350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1953004321-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> They moved to Ch 25 (SOX on FOX) after the fiasco with 56. A former CBS exec bought the rights and then bought time on WLVI and the Sox wound up not seeing a dime for the season. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:34:20 To: ; Martin Waters Reply-To: "Paul Hopfgarten" Cc: Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Didn't the Sox also have a short stint on FOX25 WFXT (SOX on FOX)? (And the WLVI deal was not the direct broadcaster IIRC) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:23 AM To: Paul Hopfgarten ; Martin Waters Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Campbell owned WPLM and also wound up with the Bruins. For Bruins coverage in Boston he used 1330 as a backup. The Soxm then blundered with TV in the 90's leaving WSBK for WABU and then WLVI before just keeping things in house with NESN. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:04:56 To: Martin Waters Reply-To: Paul Hopfgarten Cc: Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast I?d say YES, it was dysfunctional until the John Henry group took over. Baseball is first and foremost a business (if you want to own a team) and it has to be approached as such. I think IIRC that ?Campbell Communications? had won the right to the Sox (not even a station per se?) and subbed out to WPLM, though I could be wrong and maybe Campbell OWNED WPLM at the time... It was a pretty stupid move, none the less... -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH From: Martin Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:36 AM To: paul@derrynh.net Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) . . . OK,so I was already in Nutmeg Land -- listening to the Red Sox year after year on WTIC (AM),which has carried the games since at least the 1950's --and missed out on all this goofball business with the RedSox looking like they subcontrACTED putting their games on a really bad signal, then switching to a worse signla, then selecting as their "flagship"station an FM not even really in themarket, etc., What the heck was that all about, anyhow? Just another aspect of the increasignly dysfunctional ownership? From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 07:48:21 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:48:21 +0000 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-662433650-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Thinking back you may be right about 78 - PLM and WDLW first got involved when the Bruins had long playoff runs in 77,78 and 79 which caused WITS nightmares as the Sox could not be moved. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:42:24 To: ; Chris Hall; ; Reply-To: "Paul Hopfgarten" Subject: Re: Red Sox games Kevin: I'm quite sure the Sox were still doing nights on WWEL in 1978 (I remember I was a Gas Station Mgr back then and listening to WWEL for the Games at night because EVEN IN RANDOLPH, WMEX was questionable (at least in a 'buzzing' fluorescent lighted area) at night... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:38 AM To: Chris Hall ; boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox games The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. The big winner was Dick Richmond who was able to unload a dying WMEX for big bucks. -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:46:07 To: Subject: Red Sox games We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 08:01:20 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:01:20 +0000 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WHUE AM-FM started on Jan 1, 1979 as I remember WACQ's final moments on 1150 was a drunken New Year's party. I am certain that Disco Vinny on WBOS was the reason KISS 108 began. Meanwhile WITS trying to stay afloat sold the Bay Village studio and moved back to the old WMEX studios at Fenway. They did have one rising star in Glenn Ordway who took over from Steve Fredricks who left Boston for good for Philly when his WITS check bounced. -----Original Message----- From: "Kevin Vahey" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:48:21 To: Paul Hopfgarten; Chris Hall; ; Reply-To: kvahey@gmail.com Subject: Re: Red Sox games Thinking back you may be right about 78 - PLM and WDLW first got involved when the Bruins had long playoff runs in 77,78 and 79 which caused WITS nightmares as the Sox could not be moved. -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:42:24 To: ; Chris Hall; ; Reply-To: "Paul Hopfgarten" Subject: Re: Red Sox games Kevin: I'm quite sure the Sox were still doing nights on WWEL in 1978 (I remember I was a Gas Station Mgr back then and listening to WWEL for the Games at night because EVEN IN RANDOLPH, WMEX was questionable (at least in a 'buzzing' fluorescent lighted area) at night... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:38 AM To: Chris Hall ; boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox games The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. The big winner was Dick Richmond who was able to unload a dying WMEX for big bucks. -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:46:07 To: Subject: Red Sox games We had already moved 107.9 to the Pru at the start of WWEL-FM which coincided with the change from country to Bonneville programmed Beautiful music. The night baseball decision was not popular but may be a short term way to bring in revenue to take the station to the next level. Joe Kruger thought there might be a good crossover demographically between the Red Sox and beautiful music listeners for getting a new audience sample the station. It did not pan out and was cancelled when Bonneville went apoplectic with a threat to pull the service which they finally did moving it to the old WCOP-FM as the new WHUE. An abrupt overnight decision was made for a format change to disco. Though the BM format was still healthy at the time (most of Heftels other stations were BM) having three in the market and not having either Bonneville or Shulke (WJIB) was the deciding factor. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 08:08:51 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> This is how I stopped rooting for the Sox and Bruins as a kid. When KISS 108 came on and replaced WWEL I could no longer get the games in - but I could get in the Baltimore Orioles (on 1500 WTOP) and Pittsburgh Pirates (on 1020 KDKA) and I followed them for the 80s and 90s. As for the Bruins I gave up due to poor play after Don Cherry left (in addition to weak signal) and followed the Hartford Whalers on WTIC. Being in a one TV house with 6 kids I had no choice but to turn to radio to follow games. And that begs the question - will there be teams that give up radio coverage? Obviously the Sox have Entercom breaking the bank for rights but that's not the case in every market. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 13 09:21:39 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:21:39 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > And that begs the question - will there be teams that give up radio coverage? > Obviously the Sox have Entercom breaking the bank for rights but that's not the > case in every market. We've seen teams come close. The Expos lost English radio for a while, and the As were on a college station at one point just to stay on the air somewhere. (That was in the late 80s or early 90s, if memory serves, but the As once again came close to losing radio this year when their previous flagship, KTRB 860, went bankrupt.) s From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 09:25:32 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:25:32 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> Message-ID: <518826038-1310563534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2130086867-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> The NHL Islanders are on Hofstra's FM signal - the team couldn't even buy time anywhere in NY. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Fybush Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:21:39 To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Maureen Carney wrote: > And that begs the question - will there be teams that give up radio coverage? > Obviously the Sox have Entercom breaking the bank for rights but that's not the > case in every market. We've seen teams come close. The Expos lost English radio for a while, and the As were on a college station at one point just to stay on the air somewhere. (That was in the late 80s or early 90s, if memory serves, but the As once again came close to losing radio this year when their previous flagship, KTRB 860, went bankrupt.) s From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 09:31:31 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:31:31 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC><1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <882176185-1310563893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1044303868-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> As bad as the Broons were the last 20 years I was told that the team was a huge profit center for WBZ and AM fought to keep them when 98.5 came along. I don't understand the Mets thinking. Is SNY on cable upstate? MSG is secure as they locked up Sabres hockey when Empire imploded. YES seems to be on all systems in NYS. -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Carney Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:08:51 To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast This is how I stopped rooting for the Sox and Bruins as a kid. When KISS 108 came on and replaced WWEL I could no longer get the games in - but I could get in the Baltimore Orioles (on 1500 WTOP) and Pittsburgh Pirates (on 1020 KDKA) and I followed them for the 80s and 90s. As for the Bruins I gave up due to poor play after Don Cherry left (in addition to weak signal) and followed the Hartford Whalers on WTIC. Being in a one TV house with 6 kids I had no choice but to turn to radio to follow games. And that begs the question - will there be teams that give up radio coverage? Obviously the Sox have Entercom breaking the bank for rights but that's not the case in every market. From mward@iname.com Wed Jul 13 09:54:51 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:54:51 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > We've seen teams come close. The Expos lost English radio for a while, and > the As were on a college station at one point just to stay on the air > somewhere. (That was in the late 80s or early 90s, if memory serves, but the > As once again came close to losing radio this year when their previous > flagship, KTRB 860, went bankrupt.) The A's were on Cal-Berkeley's student station, KALX/90.7, for the first month of the 1978 season. The prevailing thought was that the A's had one-and-a-half feet out the door to Denver, and the student sports director cooked up the deal with Charlie Finley. The A's eventually landed on a commercial station, I believe KNEW/910. http://kalx.berkeley.edu/full-and-unabridged-history-kalx That KALX sports director is a top official of the crosstown San Francisco Giants today. This year, the new A's rights deal with the FM sports station at 95.7 was announced literally one night before Opening Day. The A's were trying to buy KTRB out of bankruptcy, but the bankruptcy trustee balked and raised the price, and the A's went away. 95.7 was a country station until the A's deal...and IIRC did run a few games under stunting after the country format, until Entercom had the sports format ready. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:04:43 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:04:43 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast Message-ID: <2123546187-1310565886-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-866447398-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> EMPIRE did the impossible - got a CRTC waiver to be carried in Niagara - MSG doesn't - nor does FOX Detroit ------Original Message------ From: Scott Fybush To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Maureen Carney Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Sent: Jul 13, 2011 9:47 AM Kevin Vahey wrote: > As bad as the Broons were the last 20 years I was told that the team > was a huge profit center for WBZ and AM fought to keep them when 98.5 > came along. > > I don't understand the Mets thinking. > > Is SNY on cable upstate? MSG is secure as they locked up Sabres > hockey when Empire imploded. YES seems to be on all systems in NYS. Yes, the Mets have the exact same TV territory as the Yankees - all of NYS, northern NJ, half of CT - and SNY appears to be available everywhere YES (at least the local version, not "National YES") is seen. Of course, Time Warner Cable is so dominant in upstate NY that once you've done a deal with them, as SNY did right from the start, you're covered nearly everywhere up here. The only major area that wasn't historically TWC up here was Buffalo, but when Adelphia imploded (see "Empire," above), TWC sucked up those cable assets in a hurry. s From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:24:50 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:24:50 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC><1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1208353107-1310567093-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669918064-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Is 95.7 making any dent into KNBR? Ironic that Entercom is on the FM side going after an AM giant. KNBR seems to be the strongest of the west coast blowtorches - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ward Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:54:51 To: Scott Fybush Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > We've seen teams come close. The Expos lost English radio for a while, and > the As were on a college station at one point just to stay on the air > somewhere. (That was in the late 80s or early 90s, if memory serves, but the > As once again came close to losing radio this year when their previous > flagship, KTRB 860, went bankrupt.) The A's were on Cal-Berkeley's student station, KALX/90.7, for the first month of the 1978 season. The prevailing thought was that the A's had one-and-a-half feet out the door to Denver, and the student sports director cooked up the deal with Charlie Finley. The A's eventually landed on a commercial station, I believe KNEW/910. http://kalx.berkeley.edu/full-and-unabridged-history-kalx That KALX sports director is a top official of the crosstown San Francisco Giants today. This year, the new A's rights deal with the FM sports station at 95.7 was announced literally one night before Opening Day. The A's were trying to buy KTRB out of bankruptcy, but the bankruptcy trustee balked and raised the price, and the A's went away. 95.7 was a country station until the A's deal...and IIRC did run a few games under stunting after the country format, until Entercom had the sports format ready. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 13 09:47:04 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:47:04 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <882176185-1310563893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1044303868-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC><1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <882176185-1310563893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1044303868-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1DA1D8.9020209@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > As bad as the Broons were the last 20 years I was told that the team > was a huge profit center for WBZ and AM fought to keep them when 98.5 > came along. > > I don't understand the Mets thinking. > > Is SNY on cable upstate? MSG is secure as they locked up Sabres > hockey when Empire imploded. YES seems to be on all systems in NYS. Yes, the Mets have the exact same TV territory as the Yankees - all of NYS, northern NJ, half of CT - and SNY appears to be available everywhere YES (at least the local version, not "National YES") is seen. Of course, Time Warner Cable is so dominant in upstate NY that once you've done a deal with them, as SNY did right from the start, you're covered nearly everywhere up here. The only major area that wasn't historically TWC up here was Buffalo, but when Adelphia imploded (see "Empire," above), TWC sucked up those cable assets in a hurry. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 13 13:15:04 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:15:04 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> On 7/13/2011 8:01 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WHUE AM-FM started on Jan 1, 1979 as I remember WACQ's final moments on 1150 was a drunken New Year's party. > > I am certain that Disco Vinny on WBOS was the reason KISS 108 began. > Certainly a possibility, and I do recall the howls of outrage from the "bloodthirsty shut-ins" when WWEL abandoned beautiful music and went disco as Kiss 108. The older columnists from the Boston newspapers were appalled too. Btw, I know the format change occurred sometime in January 1979-- and that Sunny Joe White (rest his soul) was there from day one. But does anyone have an exact date when Kiss hit the airwaves? I cannot find my notes anywhere (you should see my office-- still sorting things out after doing all that research for my PhD), and I've found several conflicting dates when I looked it up. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 13:41:31 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:41:31 +0000 Subject: Merlin's Chicago changes Message-ID: <1484733567-1310578893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1269322936-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Bob Feder says Merlin will stunt for 'awhile' as they flip WKQX from alt-rock to news. Meanwhile they are letting the all fired WKQX jock do what they want until Friday. Sounds a little like WBCN's finale. My own hunch is Randy will target WGN and not WBBM - he has a score to settle with Tribune. http://timeoutchicago.com/arts-culture/chicago-media-blog/14848867/new-q101-is-about-to-take-listeners-for-a-ride From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 13 14:10:10 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:10:10 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> Hi, Donna and all: While you're at it, was 1430's flip from (I guess) WWEL to WXKS (AM) concurrent with 107.9's flip from WWEL-FM to Kiss 108?. The 1430 flip might have been from beautiful music to adult standards or maybe 1430 was already doing adult standards. In which case, had it previously changed calls back from WWEL (AM) to WHIL? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Cc: ; ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox games > On 7/13/2011 8:01 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> WHUE AM-FM started on Jan 1, 1979 as I remember WACQ's final >> moments on 1150 was a drunken New Year's party. >> >> I am certain that Disco Vinny on WBOS was the reason KISS 108 >> began. >> > > Certainly a possibility, and I do recall the howls of outrage from > the "bloodthirsty shut-ins" when WWEL abandoned beautiful music and > went disco as Kiss 108. The older columnists from the Boston > newspapers were appalled too. Btw, I know the format change > occurred sometime in January 1979-- and that Sunny Joe White (rest > his soul) was there from day one. But does anyone have an exact > date when Kiss hit the airwaves? I cannot find my notes anywhere > (you should see my office-- > still sorting things out after doing all that research for my PhD), > and I've found several conflicting dates when I looked it up. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 20 15:11:27 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:11:27 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <41346C9F33DF422697B4B30E0B2870D6@PaulPC> I thought 1430 simulcast the Disco on 107.9 from the get go......I recall those black bumper stickers with the red lips had 1430 listed on the sticker something like KISS 108 (FM 108 AM 1430 in smaller letters at the bottom of the sticker). I used to have a good collection of now defunct Boston Station Stickers (WCOZ 94 1/2; a "WBOS Rocks" sticker from the Maxine Satori early '83 days, a WROR 98.5 sticker among others). -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:10 PM To: Donna Halper ; Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org ; Chris Hall ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox games Hi, Donna and all: While you're at it, was 1430's flip from (I guess) WWEL to WXKS (AM) concurrent with 107.9's flip from WWEL-FM to Kiss 108?. The 1430 flip might have been from beautiful music to adult standards or maybe 1430 was already doing adult standards. In which case, had it previously changed calls back from WWEL (AM) to WHIL? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Cc: ; ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox games > On 7/13/2011 8:01 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> WHUE AM-FM started on Jan 1, 1979 as I remember WACQ's final >> moments on 1150 was a drunken New Year's party. >> >> I am certain that Disco Vinny on WBOS was the reason KISS 108 >> began. >> > > Certainly a possibility, and I do recall the howls of outrage from > the "bloodthirsty shut-ins" when WWEL abandoned beautiful music and > went disco as Kiss 108. The older columnists from the Boston > newspapers were appalled too. Btw, I know the format change > occurred sometime in January 1979-- and that Sunny Joe White (rest > his soul) was there from day one. But does anyone have an exact > date when Kiss hit the airwaves? I cannot find my notes anywhere > (you should see my office-- > still sorting things out after doing all that research for my PhD), > and I've found several conflicting dates when I looked it up. From tcoco@whav.net Tue Jul 12 12:19:38 2011 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:19:38 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310472578.4661.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><748486011-1310473222-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-33719503-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: For what it is worth, I was at WHAV AM & FM when both stations first carried the Red Sox Network about 1979. The key station was WITS and we carried the games by a terrible quality telephone line. WHAV-FM was 50kw ERP (that's before the new tower went up). It was odd to switch from the "Music Just for the Two of Us" beautiful music to the upbeat music (but voice quality) of the pre-game show. WITS ran a loose ship and we were always had to keep a hand on the pot to keep their station identifications from going out. Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV 189 Ward Hill Avenue Ward Hill, MA 01835-6973 Tel.: (978) 374-2111 Fax: (978) 521-4636 Radio: AM 1640 Web: www.WHAV.net Cable TV: Consult your local public access station Cell Phone: www.WHAV.mobi Public Media of New England, Inc. WHAVR is a registered trademark and used under license. The information contained in this message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or any employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify WHAV immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hopfgarten [mailto:paul@derrynh.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:35 AM To: kvahey@gmail.com; ssmyth@psualum.com; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Not to be picky, but it was 99.1 WPLM (I don't believe the Sox ever flagged OR even broadcast on 99.5....though they did do night games only on 107.9 WWEL in 1978, guess Disco and Sox didn't mix, so they did not continue when WXKS (KISS) started in 1979...) Just think...Gloria Gainor "I will survive" into a big Sox-NYY series pre-game......or, if we lost, come out of the game with the Tramps "Burn Baby Burn Disco Inferno......there were so many possibilities! (99.5 maybe simulcast the Bruins in the 1510 WSSH days?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH PS: Who bought 102.3 Concord and when the #@*& are they going to go on the air? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:20 AM To: ssmyth@psualum.com ; bri Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Nothing in CT surprises me as Citi Field is easy to get to off 95 over the Whitestone. I am wondering if NYY radio built the network when WMCA was the flagship in the 70's. BTW how odd that the Red Sox have never used WBZ - they have over the decades been on 1260, 850, 1510, 99.5 and 680. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:09:38 To: bri; Kevin Vahey Reply-To: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast On Mon, 7/11/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast > To: "bri" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:32 PM > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/07/10/two_nation > s_over_the_air/?p1=Features_link6 > > Great story in yesterday's Globe comparing the Red Sox and Yankees > radio network. > > What I find amazing is the Mets in their 50th year have no network to > speak of - I think they have 2 stations around Albany and that is it. I never understood that -- there are pockets of western Mass. with some Mets fans, especially around Pittsfield, where they had their A-ball team for a spell. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 13 14:02:53 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:53 +0000 Subject: WGBH builds Boston TV news archive - The Boston Globe Message-ID: <20110713180253.77840@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Martin Waters >Sent: 07/13/11 05:11 AM >To: kvahey@gmail.com >Subject: Re: WGBH builds Boston TV news archive - The Boston Globe >--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >WGBH is in the process of putting old news film and tape as far back as 1959 in a digital archive >that will be available. > And, IMO, the home page should open with a playback of Jack Chase on channel 4 signing off the noon news: "And, make it a good day." I wonder if the archives will also contain the newscast on channel 7 (I can't recall whether the station was WNAC-TV or WNEV by that time) that ended with a "volcanic eruption" on Great Blue Hill? This was about the time of the Mt. St. Helen volcano that killed Harry S. Truman....no, not the president ANOTHER guy named Harry S. Truman who was old enough that his parents must have given him that name (and the period after the 'S') long before FDR chose HST as his running mate! From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:57:03 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:57:03 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast Message-ID: <690500473-1310587025-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684817803-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> SNY solved that problem - they signed a deal for all non-network UConn sports - viola they in Ct now ------Original Message------ From: Sean Smyth To: Kevin Vahey To: Scott Fybush Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Cc: Boston Radio Group ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast Sent: Jul 13, 2011 3:46 PM On Wed, 7/13/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > Yes, the Mets have the exact same TV territory as the > Yankees - all of NYS, northern NJ, half of CT - and SNY > appears to be available everywhere YES (at least the local > version, not "National YES") is seen. As of 2008 in southeastern Connecticut (Norwich and Colchester, in particular), SNY wasn't on the systems. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 13 15:16:25 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:16:25 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> On 7/13/2011 2:10 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Hi, Donna and all: While you're at it, was 1430's flip from (I guess) > WWEL to WXKS (AM) concurrent with 107.9's flip from WWEL-FM to Kiss > 108?. The 1430 flip might have been from beautiful music to adult > standards or maybe 1430 was already doing adult standards. In which > case, had it previously changed calls back from WWEL (AM) to WHIL? The first clue the Boston papers had about something changing was when Arnie Ginsburg was announced as the new station manager of WWEL-FM in February 1978. Jeff McLaughlin, a very solid pop music reporter, began putting two and two together and it didn't seem to him that the station was gonna remain beautiful music. McLaughlin followed the story and he turned out to be right. WWEL and WWEL-FM changed over to WXKS in January 1979 (I need the exact date) and at first the two stations simulcast disco. But, to answer Dan's query, the first week of January 1980 (and again, I could use an exact date), the two stations split programming and WXKS-AM became "Music of Your Life." From mward@iname.com Wed Jul 13 16:28:09 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:28:09 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1208353107-1310567093-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669918064-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1310558931.96083.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E1D9BE3.1030109@fybush.com> <1208353107-1310567093-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-669918064-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Jul 13, 2011 10:24 AM, "Kevin Vahey" wrote: > Is 95.7 making any dent into KNBR? > > Ironic that Entercom is on the FM side going after an AM giant. > > KNBR seems to be the strongest of the west coast blowtorches - And is highly rated, especially since the Giants won the World Series. 95.7 has a long, long climb to even get close to KNBR, which is established and has all the more popular franchises. This is not a duplicate of WEEI vs. WBZ-FM... and there are no weaknesses in KNBR's blowtorch signal. In fact, there has been no Giants affiliate in Sacramento at times... KNBR's signal is like a local in Sacramento. And 50kW AMs actually have an advantage in the Bay Area due to the vast size of the market and the terrain... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 15:46:06 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <4E1DA1D8.9020209@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1310586366.19536.YahooMailClassic@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 7/13/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > Yes, the Mets have the exact same TV territory as the > Yankees - all of NYS, northern NJ, half of CT - and SNY > appears to be available everywhere YES (at least the local > version, not "National YES") is seen. As of 2008 in southeastern Connecticut (Norwich and Colchester, in particular), SNY wasn't on the systems. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 16:50:27 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:50:27 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: I think I also recall that at first both WXKS AM and FM broadcast disco with the AM doing Music of your Life later. WWEL and WWEL-FM changed over to WXKS in January 1979 (I need the > exact date) and at first the two stations simulcast disco. I think it was January 15...as a matter of fact I think I'm right as the Kiss 108 Myspace page says it was Jan. 15, 1979. The page even has a reproduction of a bumpersticker saying "Kiss FM 108 (sic) AM 1430 Disco"> (note it didn't give exact freq., just "108") http://www.myspace.com/kiss108 When I think of the format change I recall the first episode of WKRP in Cincinnati where DJ Johnny Caravella drags a needle across a beautiful music record and grabs the mike: "OK Cincinnati it is time for this town to get down! You've got Johnny...Dr Johnny Fever and I am burning up in here, whoa!" (That is, abrupt format change) --Bob Nelson From lspin@comcast.net Wed Jul 13 16:36:45 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:36:45 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <41346C9F33DF422697B4B30E0B2870D6@PaulPC> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <41346C9F33DF422697B4B30E0B2870D6@PaulPC> Message-ID: <000001cc419c$95b93bb0$c12bb310$@net> I have a music survey for Kiss-108 that shows, "FM 108 DISCO AM 1430." It's dated October 15 - October 29, 1979. Incidentally, the number one song was, "Ladies Night," by Kool and The Gang. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten I thought 1430 simulcast the Disco on 107.9 from the get go......I recall those black bumper stickers with the red lips had 1430 listed on the sticker something like KISS 108 (FM 108 AM 1430 in smaller letters at the bottom of the sticker). I used to have a good collection of now defunct Boston Station Stickers (WCOZ 94 1/2; a "WBOS Rocks" sticker from the Maxine Satori early '83 days, a WROR 98.5 sticker among others). -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 13 16:49:28 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:49:28 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <156708503-1310555934-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-133661342-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <479699595-1310481407-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409339357-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <156708503-1310555934-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-133661342-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1E04D8.2000607@attorneyross.com> On 7/13/2011 7:18 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Now how Dick Richmond got the Sox to move to WMEX from WHDH after the 1975 regular season was the head scratcher. The first night playoff game fans to the west of Boston couldn't hear the games. My father, who lived in Bedford at the time, said that he couldn't understand why a major league club was on minor-league stations. He included channel 38 in that, since their signal wasn't all that great in Bedford either. > Yawkey was angry that new HDH owner Blair had changed the format from MOR to soft Top 40 and Richmond then flipped MEX to MOR. One of many examples of why Yawkey was an inept team owner. The Sox would have been better off staying on WHDH, and Yawkey shouldn't have worried about the station's music format. At one time, my father started to tell me about some great trades the Red Sox had made, and I replied that the Red Sox would never have a winning team until they traded Tom Yawkey. The success of the Red Sox in recent years, now that they have an ownership with the business ability to back up a winning team, suggests that maybe I was right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 13 16:51:06 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:51:06 -0400 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1E053A.90203@attorneyross.com> On 7/13/2011 7:38 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. But wasn't WCOP the NBC affiliate in Boston at that time? I think it was. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 17:59:56 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:59:56 +0000 Subject: Red Sox games In-Reply-To: <4E1E053A.90203@attorneyross.com> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1E053A.90203@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1250562798-1310594398-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1557161825-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Yes WCOP was NBC but the local station that carried the team could also carry the network. COP also had the 67 Series -----Original Message----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:51:06 To: Subject: Re: Red Sox games On 7/13/2011 7:38 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The late Jack Craig pounded the Sox for the move to WMEX in the Globe and WWEL had the games in 76 and 77 and PLM took over in 78. WCOP AM and FM carried the 75 Series from NBC which exposed WMEX even more. WMEX could take the NBC feed as there was no local radio back then for the Series. But wasn't WCOP the NBC affiliate in Boston at that time? I think it was. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 13 17:44:47 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:44:47 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Donna. And if I'm not mistaken, a couple of years later, WXKS (AM) changed its CoL from Medford to Everett and went on the air at night so it could be heard by everyone in Everett plus a few folks on the (far) eastern side of Medford. For everyone else in greater Boston, 1430 on most nights remains WENE and WNSW. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; ; ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:16 PM Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) > On 7/13/2011 2:10 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Hi, Donna and all: While you're at it, was 1430's flip from (I >> guess) >> WWEL to WXKS (AM) concurrent with 107.9's flip from WWEL-FM to Kiss >> 108?. The 1430 flip might have been from beautiful music to adult >> standards or maybe 1430 was already doing adult standards. In which >> case, had it previously changed calls back from WWEL (AM) to WHIL? > > The first clue the Boston papers had about something changing was > when Arnie Ginsburg was announced as the new station manager of > WWEL-FM in February 1978. Jeff McLaughlin, a very solid pop music > reporter, began putting two and two together and it didn't seem to > him that the station was gonna remain beautiful music. McLaughlin > followed the story and he turned out to be right. WWEL and WWEL-FM > changed over to WXKS in January 1979 (I need the exact date) and at > first the two stations simulcast disco. But, to answer Dan's query, > the first week of January 1980 (and again, I could use an exact > date), the two stations split programming and WXKS-AM became "Music > of Your Life." From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:19:34 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:19:34 +0000 Subject: Frances Rivera leaving Channel 7 for NY Message-ID: <503088184-1310595575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-354527872-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Frances has been the co-anchor for 5 years at 6 and 11. She is from NY and wanted to return home. http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2011_0713frances_rivera_leaving_channel_7_for_ny_local_tv_job From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 19:35:12 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:35:12 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: I am sure a lot of this surge is Bruins related but it also appears that EEI's changes have not stopped the bleeding. http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/07/sports_hub_dominates_spring_ra.html?p1=Upbox_links From Jibguy@aol.com Wed Jul 13 23:10:33 2011 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) Message-ID: <8365c.69be2f2b.3b4fb829@aol.com> 1430 and 107.9 were simulcast in 1979, 80. Then sometime in late '80 or early '81, adult standards came to 1430. Out went all the Sunday ethnic programs on 1430. - The COL-change from Medford to Everett didn't happen til March 1985, and that was so nighttime service could happen. With a huge null to the west-southwest, most of Medford would not have been covered signal-wise, in fact so much so that the night signal did not make the requirements of covering the COL (Medford). So, to make a station cover its COL at night.... change the COL. After nighttime service began, the station ID I came up with, to soften the blow to Medford, was: "1430 WXKS-Everett-Boston, with studios in Medord". That was used for at least 6 months after March 1985. ---jibguy From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Jul 14 01:03:05 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:03:05 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball Message-ID: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> Some of the info in the previous posts are not quite accurate, though the call letters were to be changed to WXKS it was originally to be a Kiss of beautiful music as in WKSS in Hartford run by Perry Ury a friend of Cecil Heftels. He suggested the change to KISS as WW call letters are notoriously bad with listener recall. Heftel had a major promotional campaign with the billboards printed and ready to go when the Bonneville s..t hit the fan. I still have some of the promotional items they paid a fortune for. Arnie Ginsburg was not the new GM, Tom Hoyt the President of Heftel came in with Richie Balsbaugh and took the department heads to the Coply Plaza for an all night brainstorming emergency meeting and the format change was born. Ritchie worked for Knight Quality Stations in the next suite from WILD and it was decided to bring in SJW. I was one of the 4 people on the staff that made the transition. As for the Music of your Life coming to WXKS-AM, During the fall of 1980 I was sent to engineer a remote for KISS-108 that had Ron Dwyer spend the night in the Amityville horror house, it was on this trip that I heard and recorded WHLI which I gave to Rich Balsbaugh and Tom Hoyt. They were looking for something to split off the AM telling them my parents would go out of their mind to hear this music again. Arnie contacted Al Hamm and WXKS became MOYL?s fifth station giving 1430 a real identity and ratings for the first time since it went on the air. As for the night signal, there were two studies done, one in 1959 was a 5 KW three tower in line array across from RD Little at Fresh Pond Pkwy This site was picked for full COL coverage to Medford. The second was a three tower array behind 99 Revere beach Parkway in the mid 60?s that was to be built until the MTA made plans for taking part of the land for the Orange line that was where the third tower was to sit. The COL with 5 KW and the third tower just squeezed by. When the Music of your life became such a hit Arnie and I pulled out the old studies, he had a thought as to could we dump tower three running 1 KW which worked.if the COL was changed to Everett. The construction started after I move d to General Cinema Communications. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 01:47:22 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 05:47:22 +0000 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> Message-ID: <79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk and Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:03:05 To: Subject: Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball Some of the info in the previous posts are not quite accurate, though the call letters were to be changed to WXKS it was originally to be a Kiss of beautiful music as in WKSS in Hartford run by Perry Ury a friend of Cecil Heftels. He suggested the change to KISS as WW call letters are notoriously bad with listener recall. Heftel had a major promotional campaign with the billboards printed and ready to go when the Bonneville s..t hit the fan. I still have some of the promotional items they paid a fortune for. Arnie Ginsburg was not the new GM, Tom Hoyt the President of Heftel came in with Richie Balsbaugh and took the department heads to the Coply Plaza for an all night brainstorming emergency meeting and the format change was born. Ritchie worked for Knight Quality Stations in the next suite from WILD and it was decided to bring in SJW. I was one of the 4 people on the staff that made the transition. As for the Music of your Life coming to WXKS-AM, During the fall of 1980 I was sent to engineer a remote for KISS-108 that had Ron Dwyer spend the night in the Amityville horror house, it was on this trip that I heard and recorded WHLI which I gave to Rich Balsbaugh and Tom Hoyt. They were looking for something to split off the AM telling them my parents would go out of their mind to hear this music again. Arnie contacted Al Hamm and WXKS became MOYL?s fifth station giving 1430 a real identity and ratings for the first time since it went on the air. As for the night signal, there were two studies done, one in 1959 was a 5 KW three tower in line array across from RD Little at Fresh Pond Pkwy This site was picked for full COL coverage to Medford. The second was a three tower array behind 99 Revere beach Parkway in the mid 60?s that was to be built until the MTA made plans for taking part of the land for the Orange line that was where the third tower was to sit. The COL with 5 KW and the third tower just squeezed by. When the Music of your life became such a hit Arnie and I pulled out the old studies, he had a thought as to could we dump tower three running 1 KW which worked.if the COL was changed to Everett. The construction started after I move d to General Cinema Communications. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 14 02:11:57 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:11:57 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> Message-ID: <4E1E88AD.6030909@donnahalper.com> On 7/14/2011 1:03 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Arnie Ginsburg was not the new GM, I believe the Boston Globe article from Jeff McLaughlin that I quoted said he was station manager of WWEL, and there was a very long interview with him about his hopes for the station. you wrote-- > During the fall of 1980 I was sent to engineer a remote for KISS-108 that had Ron Dwyer spend the night in the Amityville horror house, it was on this trip that I heard and recorded WHLI which I gave to Rich Balsbaugh and Tom Hoyt. They were looking for something to split off the AM telling them my parents would go out of their mind to hear this music again. Arnie contacted Al Hamm and WXKS became MOYL?s fifth station giving 1430 a real identity and ratings for the first time since it went on the air. > That's interesting. Again, I am not in any way questioning you, since you were there. WXKS changed the music in January 1980 (McLaughlin's article was written the week it happened, and what he described certainly sounded like Music of Your Life) but perhaps they first did their own version of MOYL, and then picked up Al Hamm's syndicated version? From lspin@comcast.net Thu Jul 14 02:14:42 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:14:42 -0400 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: <79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> <79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net> My dad used to listen to that every night while we had dinner. I'd love to hear an old aircheck of that! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk and Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Jul 14 02:20:42 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:20:42 -0400 Subject: More Kiss-108 info Message-ID: <433F422E3D244362963CB0F603EFDC2D@chrisHP> I just pulled out another box of old WWEL/KISS info, After Christmas 1978 WWEL received a cease and desist order cancelling WWEL?s use of Bonneville program material at midnight December 31st as the program material was contracted to WCOP GCC on January 1. The contract had never been renewed due major problems with Conant Broadcasting but Heftel felt these problems were history with the ownership change. There was such bad blood between Bonnevilles Marlin Taylor and Loring Fischer towards Joe Kruger and Arnie Ginsburg....as long as Arnie was to remain as operations manager they wanted out. With this surprise situation WWEL had no programming to to stay on the air with. Tom Hoyt had a friend who owned Kala Music in Kalamazoo that did him a favor and shipped a BM library for use until we had a chance to regroup. Jeff Wyatt and I drove over to Delta Airlines to pick up the shipment that day. There had been no thought to a format change, WWEL was bare bone nothing even for a BM stationA Gates Executive with 4 rack mount stereo Scullys 285?s and ITC 3 deck mono cart unit. Production consisted on a Gates mono yard, 2 new Scully 280-B2?s and 1 Tapecaster mono recorder The AM studio was even worse, an old RCA 1956 mono console, tapecaster playbacks with 4 ITC 750 rack mounted reel to reel decks Nothing even remotely useable for Disco or anything else. I had to beg Lake Systems for 2 cheapTechnics variable speed turntables to get us going later I was able to get Bob Wotiz from WMEX to help veri speed modify Technics SP-10 MK II?s, which when installed the word got out to PD?s and clubs from from across the country asking how we did it. Just to show you how off guard they were, there was not even stereo turntables or preamps in the house, the day of the format change we went to mono out of the AM studio to rewire some stereo equipment into the air studio and modify the console for a rudimentry system usable for disco such as constant cue and turntable speed mixing. It came as such a surprise that we had to go on the air with a barefoot Optimod internally modified for the BM format as no new processing chain was thought to be needed From paul@derrynh.net Thu Jul 14 03:19:36 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: <004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net> References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> <79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net> Message-ID: <713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> These the same folks that used to get the "Number" from the Record-American before the MA Lottery came to be.... ? -Paul H On July 14, 2011 at 2:14 AM Lou wrote: > My dad used to listen to that every night while we had dinner.? I'd love > to hear an old aircheck of that! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM > > > Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk and > Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:23:25 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:23:25 +0000 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball Message-ID: <1814634622-1310628208-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1416036434-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Horse results were a big deal back then in those days before the state lotto. The old Record-American printed a special edition just with the results that would be on the stands by 7 PM. My Mom listened to that race results show even when we summered at Hampton Beach. I would suspect the audience was at least 100K each day - maybe much higher. Corner bookies were everywhere back then. Ours was the local drug store where the pharmacist was the bookie. ------Original Message------ From: Lou To: Kevin Vahey To: 'Chris Hall' To: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball Sent: Jul 14, 2011 2:14 AM My dad used to listen to that every night while we had dinner. I'd love to hear an old aircheck of that! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk and Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jul 14 03:27:06 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:27:06 +0000 Subject: More Kiss-108 info Message-ID: <20110714072706.45440@gmx.com> Interesting info; I believe WCOP changed to WHUE AM/FM on January 1 of '79, with ownership being General Cinema Corporation. The ads read "Beautiful Music for YOU" ('HUE somehow approximating "you") From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Jul 14 03:38:13 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:38:13 -0400 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers Message-ID: <14CDAF75CC5C4C92B4BFDDE25E83B518@chrisHP> Just saw the most spectacular aerial flyover of Maine in HD on the Smithsonian channel, on the very northeastern coast near Calais the are 10 or so large self supporting towers like those at the old WBNX in Carlstadt. Anyone have an idea....were those part of RCA transatlantic communications??? If not in such large numbers with a pattern out to sea they could be mistaken for an AM directional array. If you have time check out this and many other state flyovers....they are incredible viewing From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 04:15:16 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:15:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) Message-ID: <6487148.1310631316043.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:44:47 -0400 >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) > >Thanks, Donna. And if I'm not mistaken, a couple >of years later, WXKS (AM) changed its CoL from >Medford to Everett and went on the air at night >so it could be heard by everyone in Everett plus >a few folks on the (far) eastern side of Medford. >For everyone else in greater Boston, 1430 on most >nights remains WENE and WNSW. I can get it at night in Somerville, if I place the antenna just right, I can get it to kick into HD - just barely. EP From paul@derrynh.net Thu Jul 21 09:51:25 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:51:25 -0400 Subject: More Kiss-108 info In-Reply-To: <20110714072706.45440@gmx.com> References: <20110714072706.45440@gmx.com> Message-ID: And of course at the other end of the WHUE Beautiful Music days was finally getting the WCOZ Calls for COZy in December 1984, just 2 weeks before the flip to WKKT "The Cat" Top 40ish..... -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:27 AM To: Chris Hall ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: More Kiss-108 info Interesting info; I believe WCOP changed to WHUE AM/FM on January 1 of '79, with ownership being General Cinema Corporation. The ads read "Beautiful Music for YOU" ('HUE somehow approximating "you") From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Jul 14 11:08:04 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:08:04 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: Wasn't Arnie GM of WBCN for a while in the early 70s? No format change during his tenure there (though it certainly would have put a crimp in both WMEX & WRKO had he put Top 40 on FM in the early 70s. I don't recall WVBF ever being much of a player though so maybe it was for the best that he didn't). On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > The first clue the Boston papers had about something changing was when > Arnie Ginsburg was announced as the new station manager of WWEL-FM in > February 1978. Jeff McLaughlin, a very solid pop music reporter, began > putting two and two together and it didn't seem to him that the station was > gonna remain beautiful music. McLaughlin followed the story and he turned > out to be right. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:40:31 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:40:31 +0000 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com><2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044><4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1932630967-1310658032-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1287099711-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> VBF picked up steam as the 70's decade progressed - they actually went Top 40 as WKOX-FM around 68 when WJIB took over as king the BM format. Biggest problem FM had was getting into cars - the FM converters were a pain. Arnie became GM at BCN in 1970 WEEI-FM has the Young Sound from CBS and WBZ-FM was Top 40 for a few years but Westinghouse didn't have a clue what do do with FM Mac Richmond was offered WBOS-FM for cheap money but he declined as his WPGC-FM in DC did little - he made his money with the daytimer there. -----Original Message----- From: SteveOrdinetz Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:08:04 To: Donna Halper Cc: ; ; Chris Hall Subject: Re: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) Wasn't Arnie GM of WBCN for a while in the early 70s? No format change during his tenure there (though it certainly would have put a crimp in both WMEX & WRKO had he put Top 40 on FM in the early 70s. I don't recall WVBF ever being much of a player though so maybe it was for the best that he didn't). On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > The first clue the Boston papers had about something changing was when > Arnie Ginsburg was announced as the new station manager of WWEL-FM in > February 1978. Jeff McLaughlin, a very solid pop music reporter, began > putting two and two together and it didn't seem to him that the station was > gonna remain beautiful music. McLaughlin followed the story and he turned > out to be right. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 14 08:13:42 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:13:42 -0400 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers Message-ID: <20110714081342.ewxwvvx2sc8ws4cc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> These are the towers of the Naval very-low-frequency installation at Cutler --- 26 of them, some as much as 989 feet high, all of them over 800, and all still very much active. ?I've never flown over them, but they are a spectacular (indeed, beautiful) sight from the ground at night, and can be seen for many miles. ?The whole skyline --- 3,000 acres ---is lit up like a Christmas tree. ?Picture the antenna farm in Needham multiplied several times over. ?I've taken visitors out to see them and the universal response has always been, "WOW!" ? "Incredible viewing" describes them well, Chris. ?Worth the trip for all Boston area radio enthusiasts. ?Even if I weren't a broadcasting buff, I would say that taken as a whole, the installation is among the most magnificent manmade structures in North America, if not the world. ? ?-Doug On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:38:13 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: Just saw the most spectacular aerial flyover of Maine in HD on the Smithsonian channel, on the very > northeastern coast near Calais the are 10 or so large self supporting > towers like those at the old WBNX > in Carlstadt. Anyone have an idea....were those part of RCA > transatlantic communications??? > If not in such large numbers with a pattern out to sea they could be > mistaken for an AM directional array. > If you have time check out this and many other state flyovers....they > are incredible viewing > > From paul@derrynh.net Thu Jul 21 11:48:30 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:48:30 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com><2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044><4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> While I can't speak from a ratings perspective, I was a frequent listener to the "Electronic Mama" back in the day. I listened frequently to 105.7 (and also to WBZ-FM 106.7....I liked the commercial-free pop...does that make me a bad audiophile?) And as Boston-Providence 'betweener" I also listened to "JB-105" quite often in the late 70s as well, not a big PRO_FM guy, and even would check out WGNG 550 in the summertime when I could listen till 8:30PM -Paul H Concord NH (Randolph MA back then...) Heck, earlier in the decade I even would put in the earpiece in while I was supposed to be asleep to listen to Ken Mayer (sp?) on 1600 on Sunday Nights...I though is was cool that he talked but you couldn't hear the listener...that fascinated me for some odd reason -----Original Message----- From: SteveOrdinetz Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:08 AM To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ; Chris Hall Subject: Re: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) Wasn't Arnie GM of WBCN for a while in the early 70s? No format change during his tenure there (though it certainly would have put a crimp in both WMEX & WRKO had he put Top 40 on FM in the early 70s. I don't recall WVBF ever being much of a player though so maybe it was for the best that he didn't). On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > The first clue the Boston papers had about something changing was when > Arnie Ginsburg was announced as the new station manager of WWEL-FM in > February 1978. Jeff McLaughlin, a very solid pop music reporter, began > putting two and two together and it didn't seem to him that the station > was > gonna remain beautiful music. McLaughlin followed the story and he turned > out to be right. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:51:51 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:51:51 +0000 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers In-Reply-To: <20110714081342.ewxwvvx2sc8ws4cc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110714081342.ewxwvvx2sc8ws4cc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <194925804-1310658712-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-425203217-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> They are indeed impressive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutlervlf2.jpg -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Drown" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:13:42 To: ; Chris Hall Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers These are the towers of the Naval very-low-frequency installation at Cutler --- 26 of them, some as much as 989 feet high, all of them over 800, and all still very much active. ?I've never flown over them, but they are a spectacular (indeed, beautiful) sight from the ground at night, and can be seen for many miles. ?The whole skyline --- 3,000 acres ---is lit up like a Christmas tree. ?Picture the antenna farm in Needham multiplied several times over. ?I've taken visitors out to see them and the universal response has always been, "WOW!" ? "Incredible viewing" describes them well, Chris. ?Worth the trip for all Boston area radio enthusiasts. ?Even if I weren't a broadcasting buff, I would say that taken as a whole, the installation is among the most magnificent manmade structures in North America, if not the world. ? ?-Doug On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:38:13 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: Just saw the most spectacular aerial flyover of Maine in HD on the Smithsonian channel, on the very > northeastern coast near Calais the are 10 or so large self supporting > towers like those at the old WBNX > in Carlstadt. Anyone have an idea....were those part of RCA > transatlantic communications??? > If not in such large numbers with a pattern out to sea they could be > mistaken for an AM directional array. > If you have time check out this and many other state flyovers....they > are incredible viewing > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 12:05:13 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> Message-ID: Getting back to beautiful music wasn't there a time where a huge number of stations in and around Boston were running the format at the same exact time? Stations like WJIB 96.9, WWEL 107.9 and 1430, WSSH 99.5, maybe an AM 1150; poss. on 94.5, etc. WPLM may have had big band or poss. beautiful music but it was going for the same demo. From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Jul 14 11:27:39 2011 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:27:39 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: In the late 80s/early 90s I worked at a station that was a Bruins affiliate, and they had the worst satellite feed I've ever heard. At the beginning of the season it would be OK, but by January or so the signal had deteriorated to the point where it was nothing but static...our board ops generally had to get a phone patch from WPLM. Someone told me that they were reducing their uplink power mid-season and this was the cause. Anyone know the real deal on this? It happened this way every season that I worked there. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Campbell owned WPLM and also wound up with the Bruins. For Bruins coverage > in Boston he used 1330 as a backup. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 14 12:46:34 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:46:34 -0400 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC> <1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1F1D6A.9000208@fybush.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > In the late 80s/early 90s I worked at a station that was a Bruins affiliate, > and they had the worst satellite feed I've ever heard. At the beginning of > the season it would be OK, but by January or so the signal had deteriorated > to the point where it was nothing but static...our board ops generally had > to get a phone patch from WPLM. Someone told me that they were reducing > their uplink power mid-season and this was the cause. Anyone know the real > deal on this? It happened this way every season that I worked there. Did anyone ever check the feedhorn on the satellite dish for wasp nests? Those will wipe out satellite reception something awful... s From lspin@comcast.net Thu Jul 14 12:45:19 2011 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:45:19 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 (was: Red Sox game) In-Reply-To: <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com><2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044><4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> Message-ID: <001001cc4245$6cf0aa70$46d1ff50$@net> I was a huge fan of the "Electronic Mama," WVBF from the time I discovered it in the summer of 1971. I had been a rabid fan of WMEX up to that point, but Bud Ballou moved to 105.7 that summer, and then John H. Garabedian was fired from WMEX that fall. Eventually, Ron Robin popped-up at WVBF, too... And wasn't Jerry Morgan from WRKO at 105.7 for a time, as well?? They were quite the force to be reckoned-with! I drifted away from WVBF into 1972 as they went a bit too progressive for my 15-year-old taste. I went back to WRKO because they were becoming more progressive (to suit my taste). I also liked WBZ-FM because it was FM-Stereo and because I loved, LOVED Clark Smidt's, "The Music Show." It was especially entertaining when the automation machine went haywire and mixed Clark's announcements with the wrong songs. It occasionally shut down the station earlier than their 2:00am nightly shutdown time. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:49 AM While I can't speak from a ratings perspective, I was a frequent listener to the "Electronic Mama" back in the day. I listened frequently to 105.7 (and also to WBZ-FM 106.7....I liked the commercial-free pop...does that make me a bad audiophile?) And as Boston-Providence 'betweener" I also listened to "JB-105" quite often in the late 70s as well, not a big PRO_FM guy, and even would check out WGNG 550 in the summertime when I could listen till 8:30PM -Paul H Concord NH (Randolph MA back then...) Heck, earlier in the decade I even would put in the earpiece in while I was supposed to be asleep to listen to Ken Mayer (sp?) on 1600 on Sunday Nights...I though is was cool that he talked but you couldn't hear the listener...that fascinated me for some odd reason From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 13:41:04 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:04 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. EEI has to outright ban serial callers like Frank - his act wore thin 8 years ago. ------Original Message------ From: Sean Smyth To: bri To: Kevin Vahey ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Sent: Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM On Wed, 7/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am sure a lot of this surge is > Bruins related but it also appears > that EEI's changes have not stopped the bleeding. > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/07/sports_hub_dominates_spring_ra.html?p1=Upbox_links > > In a very unscientific, online poll on boston.com regarding favorite all-sports station, 98.5 is beating WEEI by a 5-1 margin. If 98.5 ever gets the Sox, it's lights out for Entercom. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 14 13:20:18 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:20:18 -0400 Subject: Kiss 108 In-Reply-To: <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com><2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044><4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4E1F2552.1050105@donnahalper.com> On 7/21/2011 11:48 AM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > While I can't speak from a ratings perspective, I was a frequent > listener to the "Electronic Mama" back in the day. I listened > frequently to 105.7 (and also to WBZ-FM 106.7....I liked the > commercial-free pop...does that make me a bad audiophile?) When I came back to Boston in 1979, I loved WBZ-FM. Okay, it frequently had problems with its automation, and it had a very limited playlist, but it played some album cuts that other stations weren't playing, and I really enjoyed its musical choices-- I learned later that the music director was Jim (later Ed) McMahon, who ended up at Kiss 108, I believe. I'm looking at some older WBZ-FM surveys: in 1971-1974, they seemed to mainly be a top-40; one survey says "All Hits All the Time." But by the late 1970s, the surveys say "Rockin' Stereo," and that fits with what I recall from 1979-- a mix of rock/top 40 and some album tracks. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 14:01:59 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:01:59 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: <1626084616-1310666520-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103227118-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> You have to think David Field is looking at these numbers hard... Jason has not made many friends but until 98.5 came along he didn't have to worry...now? My best guess as an unpaid consultant who isn't asked is Move EEI to the dual sticks of WAAF now...transfer the EEI-FM calls to AAF - make 850 all ESPN I don't think 93.7 would be wise as the signal is spotty downtown and in Cambridge. Give Dave Thomas of CBS credit - what 98.5 has done in 23 months is astonishing. ------Original Message------ From: Sean Smyth To: bri To: Kevin Vahey ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Sent: Jul 14, 2011 1:47 PM On Thu, 7/14/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic > blunder. I like the style of both Mutt and Merloni. I've liked Mutt dating back to his days in N.H. As a combo, though, they don't have enough gravitas (based on my limited listening). Better moves IMO would have been pairing Holley and Mutt, and Ordway and Merloni. Best move would have been keeping Dale in the lineup. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 14:10:00 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:10:00 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <0c584d57-0692-c781-9206-eecebc0466ef@me.com> References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <0c584d57-0692-c781-9206-eecebc0466ef@me.com> Message-ID: <478606980-1310667001-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1004461777-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Don't forget the Bruins had Ordway removed as color man with Bob Wilson on WITS. Jacob's point person at the time Paul Mooney hated Glenn so much he one night shut the lights off and the guard dogs released while Glenn was still on the air and became hysterical with fear. Glenn landed with the Celtics and has bashed the Bruins ever since. Newmie would also talk hockey as he did both Whalers and Bruins play by play. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Laurence Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:53:04 To: Cc: ; bri Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book On Jul 14, 2011, at 01:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI If you are a BRUINS fan, you prefer 98.5. Not just because of the obvious reason that they carry the games, but because WEEI mocked the Bruins and their fans for years. > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. Dale Arnold was, for years, the only host to treat hockey with respect. WEEI couldn't have made a worse move. Also, if you object to right-wing politics being flogged as some kind of common ground for sports fans, you prefer 98.5. Mark? From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jul 14 14:21:44 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:21:44 -0400 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers References: <20110714081342.ewxwvvx2sc8ws4cc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <194925804-1310658712-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-425203217-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I will have to dig through my old Navy days photos to see if I can find the pics I personally took from a helicopter of the Cutler array in 1979. Our division officer was also one of the SAR pilots (Search&Rescue), and he had a few seats open on a flight to take a photographer's mate up to shoot the array for painting/maintenance planning. I tagged along. It is indeed impressive, and still is today. The VLF array is primarily used by subs who will allow their comm-wire-antenna to float to the surface to catch incoming message traffic and communications. --Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" ; ; ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers > They are indeed impressive > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutlervlf2.jpg > -----Original Message----- > From: "Doug Drown" > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 14 > Jul 2011 08:13:42 > To: ; Chris > Hall > Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers > > These are the towers of the Naval very-low-frequency installation at > Cutler --- 26 of them, some as much as 989 feet high, all of them over > 800, and all still very much active. I've never flown over them, but > they are a spectacular (indeed, beautiful) sight from the ground at > night, and can be seen for many miles. (snip) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 13:26:33 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1310664393.77216.YahooMailClassic@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 7/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am sure a lot of this surge is > Bruins related but it also appears > that EEI's changes have not stopped the bleeding. > > http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/07/sports_hub_dominates_spring_ra.html?p1=Upbox_links > > In a very unscientific, online poll on boston.com regarding favorite all-sports station, 98.5 is beating WEEI by a 5-1 margin. If 98.5 ever gets the Sox, it's lights out for Entercom. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 14:25:54 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:25:54 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: <981850279-1310667956-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857675911-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I think EEI needs new blood in the PD area.... Felger is Ordway of 20 years ago... 98.5 not only split the pie - new listeners to the format have been created. Way too many people under 30 have NEVER listened to AM. ------Original Message------ From: Donna Halper To: Kevin Vahey Cc: ssmyth@psualum.com Cc: bri Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Sent: Jul 14, 2011 2:18 PM On 7/14/2011 1:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI > > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. > WEEI sounds old and tired, and their shuffling of popular personalities like Dale only alienated their core of devoted fans. (Frankly, I thought Eddie Andelman sounded good on WEEI and I was sorry to see him go.) Trouble is, that core is aging and it's not getting any larger. Their callers sound like mostly angry guys, many of whom hate women athletes and like to say outrageous things that sometimes border on racism. Again, this worked 20 years ago, and when WEEI had no competition, they could continue to appeal to that older white male core audience, the so-called "bloodthirsty shut-ins." Can WEEI re-invent itself and bring in some new listeners rather than just pandering to its core fans? THAT is the question. From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Jul 14 13:47:09 2011 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310665629.54249.YahooMailClassic@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 7/14/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic > blunder. I like the style of both Mutt and Merloni. I've liked Mutt dating back to his days in N.H. As a combo, though, they don't have enough gravitas (based on my limited listening). Better moves IMO would have been pairing Holley and Mutt, and Ordway and Merloni. Best move would have been keeping Dale in the lineup. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jul 14 13:50:49 2011 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:50:49 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Amen to that, Kevin. (re: demoting Dale) I don't hear Frank calling in too little or too frequently to cast a judgement one way or another. --Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: ; "bri" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI > > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. > > EEI has to outright ban serial callers like Frank - his act wore thin 8 > years ago. > ------Original Message------ > From: Sean Smyth > To: bri > To: Kevin Vahey > ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com > Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book > Sent: Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM > > On Wed, 7/13/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I am sure a lot of this surge is >> Bruins related but it also appears >> that EEI's changes have not stopped the bleeding. >> >> http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/07/sports_hub_dominates_spring_ra.html?p1=Upbox_links >> >> > > In a very unscientific, online poll on boston.com regarding favorite > all-sports station, 98.5 is beating WEEI by a 5-1 margin. If 98.5 ever > gets the Sox, it's lights out for Entercom. > From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jul 14 13:53:04 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <0c584d57-0692-c781-9206-eecebc0466ef@me.com> On Jul 14, 2011, at 01:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI If you are a BRUINS fan, you prefer 98.5. Not just because of the obvious reason that they carry the games, but because WEEI mocked the Bruins and their fans for years. > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. Dale Arnold was, for years, the only host to treat hockey with respect. WEEI couldn't have made a worse move. Also, if you object to right-wing politics being flogged as some kind of common ground for sports fans, you prefer 98.5. Mark? From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 14 14:18:29 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:18:29 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1F32F5.6060706@donnahalper.com> On 7/14/2011 1:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI > > Obviously demoting Dale for Mutt and Merloni was an epic blunder. > WEEI sounds old and tired, and their shuffling of popular personalities like Dale only alienated their core of devoted fans. (Frankly, I thought Eddie Andelman sounded good on WEEI and I was sorry to see him go.) Trouble is, that core is aging and it's not getting any larger. Their callers sound like mostly angry guys, many of whom hate women athletes and like to say outrageous things that sometimes border on racism. Again, this worked 20 years ago, and when WEEI had no competition, they could continue to appeal to that older white male core audience, the so-called "bloodthirsty shut-ins." Can WEEI re-invent itself and bring in some new listeners rather than just pandering to its core fans? THAT is the question. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 14:16:40 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:16:40 +0000 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago Message-ID: <600190592-1310667402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1731682843-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 14 15:59:10 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:59:10 -0400 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago In-Reply-To: <600190592-1310667402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1731682843-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <600190592-1310667402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1731682843-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19999.19086.704084.403373@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st > http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 Please do not use "URL shortening" services. There is no guarantee that someone reading the archives in a year's time will be able to make any sense of this, particularly when it's not even clear where the page you are citing was published. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:10:56 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:10:56 +0000 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago Message-ID: <15037329-1310674259-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-242257297-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Here is the link from CBS Chicago http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/14/newsradio-780-to-simulcast-on-105-9-fm-starting-aug-1/ Can't see this happening in Boston anytime soon as the CBS FM cluster is healthy. In NYC I wouldn't be surprised to see WINS do this given problems of the signal. IF HD radio ever catches on it will become moot I see my new Blackberry shortens links by default ------Original Message------ From: Garrett Wollman To: Kevin Vahey Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago Sent: Jul 14, 2011 3:59 PM < said: > WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st > http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 Please do not use "URL shortening" services. There is no guarantee that someone reading the archives in a year's time will be able to make any sense of this, particularly when it's not even clear where the page you are citing was published. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 14 17:24:11 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:24:11 -0400 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago References: <15037329-1310674259-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-242257297-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <71A0B06E318C462AA11891F5E065ACBB@SatU205S5044> But WBBM has no signal problems. OTOH, WCBS (and WFAN) have signal problems in Washington Heights (northern tip of Manhattan, Hudson River side, where WINS comes in like a ton of bricks). Actually, I think the WFAN/WCBS signal problems extend all the way down to southern Manhattan until you get close enough to the East River. IMO, for covering the New York City market with a 50-kW ND AM signal, WABC and WBBR have better Tx locations than WFAN/WCBS. The Jersey locations are not as good over Long Island Sound or eastern North Carolina, but Norfolk VA and New London CT aren't exactly parts of the New York market either. Also, if CBS were to flip an NYC FM to all news, which one would it be? 102.7? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: Re: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago > Here is the link from CBS Chicago > http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/14/newsradio-780-to-simulcast-on-105-9-fm-starting-aug-1/ > > > Can't see this happening in Boston anytime soon as the CBS FM > cluster is healthy. > > In NYC I wouldn't be surprised to see WINS do this given problems of > the signal. > > IF HD radio ever catches on it will become moot > I see my new Blackberry shortens links by default > ------Original Message------ > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Kevin Vahey > Cc: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago > Sent: Jul 14, 2011 3:59 PM > > < said: > >> WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st >> http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 > > Please do not use "URL shortening" services. There is no guarantee > that someone reading the archives in a year's time will be able to > make any sense of this, particularly when it's not even clear where > the page you are citing was published. > > -GAWollman > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 14 16:47:53 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:47:53 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1F55F9.5000702@attorneyross.com> On 7/14/2011 1:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI I wonder how much that correlates with the tendency of older people to listen more to AM radio and younger people to listen more to FM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jul 14 16:25:25 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:25:25 -0400 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago In-Reply-To: <15037329-1310674259-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-242257297-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <15037329-1310674259-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-242257297-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I guess fresh 105.9 is going away. The WBBM-FM calls are on Rhytmic Contemporary "B96" (96.3) now. Will they move the call to 105.9? -Bob On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Here is the link from CBS Chicago > > http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/14/newsradio-780-to-simulcast-on-105-9-fm-starting-aug-1/ > > > Can't see this happening in Boston anytime soon as the CBS FM cluster is > healthy. > > In NYC I wouldn't be surprised to see WINS do this given problems of the > signal. > > IF HD radio ever catches on it will become moot > I see my new Blackberry shortens links by default > ------Original Message------ > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Kevin Vahey > Cc: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago > Sent: Jul 14, 2011 3:59 PM > > < > said: > > > WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st > > http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 > > Please do not use "URL shortening" services. There is no guarantee > that someone reading the archives in a year's time will be able to > make any sense of this, particularly when it's not even clear where > the page you are citing was published. > > -GAWollman > > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jul 14 17:10:40 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:10:40 -0400 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago In-Reply-To: <600190592-1310667402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1731682843-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <600190592-1310667402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1731682843-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Jul 14, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WBBM Newsradio 78 will be simulcast on FM starting Aug 1st > > http://j.mp/rmUjJ5 I guess ?Fresh? wasn?t fresh enough for Chicagoland. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 18:15:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:15:33 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <4E1F55F9.5000702@attorneyross.com> References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1F55F9.5000702@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <730014081-1310681735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1729439621-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> It is a big part Joe A lot of the younger crowd never had a real attachment to AM like we did. WRKO went talk almost 30 years ago as did BZ and HDH. First thing the Krafts did when they bought the Patriots was move the games to WBCN. -----Original Message----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:47:53 To: Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book On 7/14/2011 1:41 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It SEEMS - If you under 40 you prefer 98.5 - older WEEI I wonder how much that correlates with the tendency of older people to listen more to AM radio and younger people to listen more to FM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 14 18:16:35 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:16:35 -0400 Subject: CBS reacts to Merlin move in Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <15037329-1310674259-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-242257297-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1F6AC3.7040706@fybush.com> Bob DeMattia wrote: > I guess fresh 105.9 is going away. > The WBBM-FM calls are on Rhytmic Contemporary "B96" (96.3) now. Will they > move the call to 105.9? Unlikely. We're in the new world of PPM now, and calls really don't matter in a situation like this. Regardless of what calls are given quietly once an hour, CBS will promote "Newsradio WBBM" on both 780 and 105.9 and the FM listening will appear combined under single-line reporting with 780. There's no longer any need for them to worry about diary attribution when listeners write down "WBBM-FM," since the PPM knows whether it's hearing 96.3 or 105.9. CBS never bothered changing the calls of its FM in San Francisco (KFRC-FM) when it began simulcasting all-news KCBS (740); the KCBS-FM calls are already well ingrained at their LA "Jack" outlet, and they evidently saw no reason to shuffle things around out there. (It's certainly keeping the message boards busy, though!) s From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Thu Jul 14 17:23:18 2011 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:23:18 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <981850279-1310667956-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857675911-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <981850279-1310667956-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857675911-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <166A8F21E968144697CA0F636ABB50290E0884C5@SLAPPY.dmproductions.local> I'm 48 and I can't stand WEEI *either*. Never mind D&C. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:26 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: bri Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book I think EEI needs new blood in the PD area.... From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 14 18:24:51 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:24:51 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <730014081-1310681735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1729439621-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <891852453-1310665266-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1979293545-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1F55F9.5000702@attorneyross.com> <730014081-1310681735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1729439621-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E1F6CB3.4020901@attorneyross.com> On 7/14/2011 6:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is a big part Joe > > A lot of the younger crowd never had a real attachment to AM like we did. WRKO went talk almost 30 years ago as did BZ and HDH. > > First thing the Krafts did when they bought the Patriots was move the games to WBCN. I guess not enough young folks ever listened to Disney radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 18:31:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:31:33 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: <215240463-1310682695-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-40903229-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Or they have nightmares of the memories of their parents forcing them to listen. Does Disney have ANY local programming? ------Original Message------ From: A. Joseph Ross To: Kevin Vahey Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Sent: Jul 14, 2011 6:24 PM On 7/14/2011 6:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is a big part Joe > > A lot of the younger crowd never had a real attachment to AM like we did. WRKO went talk almost 30 years ago as did BZ and HDH. > > First thing the Krafts did when they bought the Patriots was move the games to WBCN. I guess not enough young folks ever listened to Disney radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 19:49:56 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:49:56 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Message-ID: <200375293-1310687398-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-730574442-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Jason's quote in that article reminds me of the captain of the Titanic - we can't possibly sink ------Original Message------ From: Sean Smyth To: bri To: Kevin Vahey ReplyTo: ssmyth@psualum.com Subject: Re: WBZ-FM has strong spring book Sent: Jul 14, 2011 7:40 PM On Thu, 7/14/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > You have to think David Field is > looking at these numbers hard... > > Jason has not made many friends but until 98.5 came along > he didn't have to worry...now? > > My best guess as an unpaid consultant who isn't asked is > > Move EEI to the dual sticks of WAAF now...transfer the > EEI-FM calls to AAF - make 850 all ESPN > > I don't think 93.7 would be wise as the signal is spotty > downtown and in Cambridge. Did anyone else see this memo, where WEEI calls out CBS for manipulating ratings? http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/mediaBiz/index.php/2011/07/14/weei-the-dominant-sports-station-no-more/ Worry about your own house before tossing glass stones toward someone else's. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 20:03:08 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:03:08 +0000 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <408009598-1310688190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-86670249-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> http://www.stationratings.com/ratings.asp I never thought I would see WBZ-FM only 20,000 behind AM in 12+ WKLB continues to be strong I am really beginning to wonder how accurate the PPM's are...the numbers don't look right From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Jul 14 19:40:45 2011 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ-FM has strong spring book In-Reply-To: <1626084616-1310666520-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103227118-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1310686845.92060.YahooMailClassic@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 7/14/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > You have to think David Field is > looking at these numbers hard... > > Jason has not made many friends but until 98.5 came along > he didn't have to worry...now? > > My best guess as an unpaid consultant who isn't asked is > > Move EEI to the dual sticks of WAAF now...transfer the > EEI-FM calls to AAF - make 850 all ESPN > > I don't think 93.7 would be wise as the signal is spotty > downtown and in Cambridge. Did anyone else see this memo, where WEEI calls out CBS for manipulating ratings? http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/mediaBiz/index.php/2011/07/14/weei-the-dominant-sports-station-no-more/ Worry about your own house before tossing glass stones toward someone else's. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 14 21:13:08 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:13:08 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <408009598-1310688190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-86670249-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <408009598-1310688190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-86670249-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19999.37924.23984.468140@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I am really beginning to wonder how accurate the PPM's are...the > numbers don't look right They are accurate for what they measure, to within the limits of sampling error and the systematic biases inherent in how their sample is constructed. That isn't necessarily what you're interested in, but it's what we've got. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 21:28:18 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:28:18 +0000 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <1322707073-1310693300-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1629182627-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> If you take Howie away from RKO they would have nothing. I honestly don't think country has gotten that big in Boston - the lack of country music clubs would back me up. WXKS has a huge cume and can that be because of Matty? But as Garrett says - it is what we got ------Original Message------ From: Doug Drown To: Kevin Vahey To: Garrett Wollman Cc: bri Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Sent: Jul 14, 2011 9:18 PM If indeed we're looking at the same report, I was surprised that neither WTKK nor WRKO aren't doing better than they are. ?? On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:13:08 -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: < said: > > > I am really beginning to wonder how accurate the PPM's are...the > > numbers don't look right > > They are accurate for what they measure, to within the limits of > sampling error and the systematic biases inherent in how their sample > is constructed. That isn't necessarily what you're interested in, but > it's what we've got. > > -GAWollman > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 14 21:18:32 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:18:32 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <20110714211832.blikmuff8ck804oo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> If indeed we're looking at the same report, I was surprised that neither WTKK nor WRKO aren't doing better than they are. ? On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:13:08 -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: < said: > > > I am really beginning to wonder how accurate the PPM's are...the > > numbers don't look right > > They are accurate for what they measure, to within the limits of > sampling error and the systematic biases inherent in how their sample > is constructed. That isn't necessarily what you're interested in, but > it's what we've got. > > -GAWollman > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 14 22:52:28 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:52:28 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <20110714225228.8blmi5yqoggss00g@webmail.myfairpoint.net> What you've said about Howie is true --- and he and they know it. Country radio seems to be a more rural phenomenon in New England. ?There are quite a few country stations in Maine, and most of them do very well. ?In fact, WQCB in Brewer has been on the top of the ratings heap in the Bangor area for close to three decades --- by a wide margin. ? On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:28:18 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: If you take Howie away from RKO they would have nothing. > > I honestly don't think country has gotten that big in Boston - the > lack of country music clubs would back me up. > > WXKS has a huge cume and can that be because of Matty? > > But as Garrett says - it is what we got > ------Original Message------ > From: Doug Drown > To: Kevin Vahey > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: bri > Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > Sent: Jul 14, 2011 9:18 PM > > If indeed we're looking at the same report, I was surprised that > neither WTKK nor WRKO aren't doing better than they are. ?? > > On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:13:08 -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > > > I am really beginning to wonder how accurate the PPM's are...the > > > numbers don't look right > > > > They are accurate for what they measure, to within the limits of > > sampling error and the systematic biases inherent in how their sample > > is constructed. That isn't necessarily what you're interested in, but > > it's what we've got. > > > > -GAWollman > > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 15 00:41:46 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:41:46 +0000 Subject: Sara Underwood leaves FOX25 Message-ID: <1696293862-1310704908-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-888522445-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Mrs. Felger says it is time to be a full time mom. http://news.bostonherald.com/jobfind/news/media/view/2011_0715fox_25s_underwood_to_sign_off_from_anchor_gig/srvc=home&position=also She will free lance at 25 Funny how it turned out - she was the rising star at channel 4, her husband on thin ice at the Herald 5 years ago. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 02:40:15 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:40:15 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... Message-ID: OK fellow radio nerds. I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? Can you suggest any? Thanks! From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 05:33:11 2011 From: fox893@yahoo.com (fox893@yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:33:11 +0000 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> I heart radio Also, nobex radio Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular -----Original Message----- From: "Don" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:40:15 To: B-R-I Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... OK fellow radio nerds. I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? Can you suggest any? Thanks! From mariogonz@aol.com Fri Jul 15 07:25:22 2011 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:25:22 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> References: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Also tunein radio. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:33 AM, fox893@yahoo.com wrote: > I heart radio > Also, nobex radio > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Don" > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:40:15 > To: B-R-I > Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... > > OK fellow radio nerds. > > I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. > > What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? > > Can you suggest any? > > Thanks! > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 15 08:05:44 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:05:44 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> References: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> Iheartradio gets all the Clear Channel stations, and Tune In Radio gets pretty much everything else. (There's also a Public Radio Tuner app that links to nearly every public radio station around the country.) It's not an app, per se, but bookmark whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the country! s fox893@yahoo.com wrote: > I heart radio > Also, nobex radio > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Don" > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:40:15 > To: B-R-I > Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... > > OK fellow radio nerds. > > I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. > > What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? > > Can you suggest any? > > Thanks! > > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jul 15 07:42:48 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:42:48 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <329796FA-0534-4723-BA6C-726BF25ABB80@comcast.net> TuneIn Radio seems to be the most popular one out there right now. At least on the iPhone, if you get the paid version, you can pause, rewind, record, etc. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:40 AM, "Don" wrote: > OK fellow radio nerds. > > I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. > > What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? > > Can you suggest any? > > Thanks! > > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Jul 15 07:44:09 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:44:09 -0400 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers Message-ID: <226674EDFE52472C827B7669586FAD24@YOURbcbbe822ed> Some of this is dated, especially the control room. That's the BIGGEST coax I've ever seen Ted > http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" ; > ; > ; "Chris Hall" > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers > > >> They are indeed impressive >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutlervlf2.jpg >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Doug Drown" >> Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, >> 14 Jul 2011 08:13:42 >> To: ; Chris >> Hall >> Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers >> >> These are the towers of the Naval very-low-frequency installation at >> Cutler --- 26 of them, some as much as 989 feet high, all of them over >> 800, and all still very much active. I've never flown over them, but >> they are a spectacular (indeed, beautiful) sight from the ground at >> night, and can be seen for many miles. The whole skyline --- 3,000 >> acres ---is lit up like a Christmas tree. Picture the antenna farm in >> Needham multiplied several times over. I've taken visitors out to see >> them and the universal response has always been, "WOW!" >> >> "Incredible viewing" describes them well, Chris. Worth the trip for >> all Boston area radio enthusiasts. Even if I weren't a broadcasting >> buff, I would say that taken as a whole, the installation is among the >> most magnificent manmade structures in North America, if not the world. >> -Doug >> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:38:13 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: >> Just saw the most spectacular aerial flyover of Maine in HD on the >> Smithsonian channel, on the very >>> northeastern coast near Calais the are 10 or so large self supporting >>> towers like those at the old WBNX >>> in Carlstadt. Anyone have an idea....were those part of RCA >>> transatlantic communications??? >>> If not in such large numbers with a pattern out to sea they could be >>> mistaken for an AM directional array. >>> If you have time check out this and many other state flyovers....they >>> are incredible viewing >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Jul 15 07:44:09 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:44:09 -0400 Subject: Northeast coast Maine towers Message-ID: <226674EDFE52472C827B7669586FAD24@YOURbcbbe822ed> Some of this is dated, especially the control room. That's the BIGGEST coax I've ever seen Ted > http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" ; > ; > ; "Chris Hall" > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers > > >> They are indeed impressive >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutlervlf2.jpg >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Doug Drown" >> Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, >> 14 Jul 2011 08:13:42 >> To: ; Chris >> Hall >> Subject: Re: Northeast coast Maine towers >> >> These are the towers of the Naval very-low-frequency installation at >> Cutler --- 26 of them, some as much as 989 feet high, all of them over >> 800, and all still very much active. I've never flown over them, but >> they are a spectacular (indeed, beautiful) sight from the ground at >> night, and can be seen for many miles. The whole skyline --- 3,000 >> acres ---is lit up like a Christmas tree. Picture the antenna farm in >> Needham multiplied several times over. I've taken visitors out to see >> them and the universal response has always been, "WOW!" >> >> "Incredible viewing" describes them well, Chris. Worth the trip for >> all Boston area radio enthusiasts. Even if I weren't a broadcasting >> buff, I would say that taken as a whole, the installation is among the >> most magnificent manmade structures in North America, if not the world. >> -Doug >> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:38:13 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: >> Just saw the most spectacular aerial flyover of Maine in HD on the >> Smithsonian channel, on the very >>> northeastern coast near Calais the are 10 or so large self supporting >>> towers like those at the old WBNX >>> in Carlstadt. Anyone have an idea....were those part of RCA >>> transatlantic communications??? >>> If not in such large numbers with a pattern out to sea they could be >>> mistaken for an AM directional array. >>> If you have time check out this and many other state flyovers....they >>> are incredible viewing >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jul 15 08:15:17 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:15:17 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: References: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E202F55.1070701@server4.gabrielmass.com> +1 for TuneIn radio. It seems to have every radio station in the world with a stream, plus a lot of internet-only streams. --RC On 07/15/2011 07:25 AM, Mario Gonzalez Jr. wrote: > Also tunein radio. > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 09:22:34 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1310736154.51703.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 7/15/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > It's not an app, per se, but bookmark > whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a > location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering > from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - > "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to > be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the > country! Interesting -- didn't know such a site existed. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jul 15 10:34:14 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:34:14 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <1310736154.51703.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> <1310736154.51703.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000.20454.570151.361084@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On Fri, 7/15/11, Scott Fybush wrote: >> It's not an app, per se, but bookmark >> whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a >> location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering >> from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - >> "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to >> be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the >> country! > Interesting -- didn't know such a site existed. Note that it depends on getting a precise location from your phone. Sometimes the phone won't bother to compute a good location unless you are running (or have recently run) its mapping/nagivation application. If you have used a location-based Web page in the browser recently, and that app asked for only "coarse" location, then your browser will continue to give that out for a while even to pages that request "fine" location. A good thing for battery life, not necessarily what you want for identifying that tower out the car window. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jul 15 07:46:32 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:46:32 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am very happy with the HTC Thunderbolt. Apps are plentiful for the Android operating system. Bill O. -------- Original Message -------- From: Don Sent: Fri Jul 15 02:40:15 EDT 2011 To: B-R-I Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... OK fellow radio nerds. I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? Can you suggest any? Thanks! -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jul 15 10:42:32 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:42:32 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <20000.20454.570151.361084@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> <1310736154.51703.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20000.20454.570151.361084@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5A77A2E8-ECDD-4935-8BBE-C703DACD98D2@comcast.net> Thanks for this. It seems quite accurate on my iPhone 4 within sight of the WDPX/WQRC/WPXC where I am at the moment. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> On Fri, 7/15/11, Scott Fybush wrote: >>> It's not an app, per se, but bookmark >>> whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a >>> location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering >>> from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - >>> "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to >>> be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the >>> country! > >> Interesting -- didn't know such a site existed. > > Note that it depends on getting a precise location from your phone. > Sometimes the phone won't bother to compute a good location unless you > are running (or have recently run) its mapping/nagivation application. > If you have used a location-based Web page in the browser recently, > and that app asked for only "coarse" location, then your browser will > continue to give that out for a while even to pages that request > "fine" location. A good thing for battery life, not necessarily what > you want for identifying that tower out the car window. > > -GAWollman > From mward@iname.com Fri Jul 15 10:57:36 2011 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:57:36 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <329796FA-0534-4723-BA6C-726BF25ABB80@comcast.net> References: <329796FA-0534-4723-BA6C-726BF25ABB80@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > TuneIn Radio seems to be the most popular one out there right now. > At least on the iPhone, if you get the paid version, you can pause, > rewind, record, etc. I second the recommendation for TuneIn (with iHeartRadio to pick up the Clear Channel stations). It's also avaiiable on Android...free for TuneIn, 99 cents for TuneIn Pro, which has those recording/pause features. I got Pro for free as the Free App of the Day on the Amazon App Store. Again, the CC stations aren't there, or in any other smartphone streaming app, since they're on iHeartRadio. That's free, and the 3.x version is vastly improved on Android...it was inferior to iOS before, since the Android version required CC stations to actually install separate streaming computers...the iOS version had 700 stations, the Android version had about 300. No more, as the upgrade to 3.x on the Android not only improved performance, it streams all the CC stations that iOS does (and I believe all CC streamers...the update brought us the smaller market CC stations). From hmglaz@att.net Fri Jul 15 11:09:23 2011 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I honestly don't think country has gotten that big in Boston - the lack >of country music clubs would back me up. Adult contemporary is even bigger than country in Boston. Where are all the adult contemporary clubs? While you weren't looking, country music went national -- and mainstream. I can certainly believe WKLB's PPM numbers in Boston, because WKLB is playing artists like Taylor Swift and Rascal Flatts who also get saturation exposure on AC radio stations. Country is also growing in its appeal to younger demographics nationally, and has been for years, while retaining a decent percentage of its older listeners, largely through making sure that old-timers like George Strait and Reba McEntire remain relevant to radio. Boston has (rightly or wrongly) a reputation as a rock and AC market rather than a rhythmic/urban one. Seems only logical to me that country would catch on big in such a market as the music drifts toward those two genres. You don't need to look for clubs to gauge how strong it is; just check out what's playing more and more in offices and retail establishments. Howard From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jul 15 12:26:25 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:26:25 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Country is indeed big here and everywhere, or at least there are the crossover artists. How long did it take country star Kenny Chesney to sell out Gillette Stadium? Eight minutes! A second show was added. So, no country music clubs...how about an 80,000 seat stadium...that sells out in eight minutes? Similar things happened for him in past years at The Razor. So maybe in the 60s "up north nobody buys" those "Nashville Cats" , as the Lovin' Spoonful once sang, but things have changed... From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 15 11:54:45 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:54:45 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81FB718C-1272-4943-9871-8A3696591832@mac.com> On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Don wrote: > OK fellow radio nerds. > > I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. > > What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? > > Can you suggest any? > > Thanks! If the phone is an iPhone, the app I recommend is Pocket Tunes. This app will receive just about any station in the world that streams. It costs, I think, about eight dollars and is well worth it. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 15 12:16:48 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:16:48 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I honestly don't think country has gotten that big in Boston - the lack >of country music clubs would back me up. > > Adult contemporary is even bigger than country in Boston. Where are all the adult contemporary clubs? > The Boston area has plenty of Folk clubs and a few Jazz clubs, both genres that are not heard much on commercial radio. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jul 15 14:38:56 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:38:56 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> References: <2043962819-1310722392-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1149002105-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> Message-ID: <0e2981d4-0187-44e7-a13d-7f5ac2576d74@email.android.com> Scott - Way cool non-app to locate towers. Fun with the new phone on. Friday afternoon heading north from the metropolis of Rutland, VT. BillO -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: Scott Fybush Sent: Fri Jul 15 08:05:44 EDT 2011 To: fox893@yahoo.com Cc: B-R-I , boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... Iheartradio gets all the Clear Channel stations, and Tune In Radio gets pretty much everything else. (There's also a Public Radio Tuner app that links to nearly every public radio station around the country.) It's not an app, per se, but bookmark whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the country! s fox893@yahoo.com wrote: > I heart radio > Also, nobex radio > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Don" > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:40:15 > To: B-R-I > Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... > > OK fellow radio nerds. > > I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. > > What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? > > Can you suggest any? > > Thanks! > > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jul 15 14:43:49 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <81FB718C-1272-4943-9871-8A3696591832@mac.com> References: <81FB718C-1272-4943-9871-8A3696591832@mac.com> Message-ID: <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> Doesn't sound like that does anything that the free TuneIn Radio one does though? I previously used wunderradio, but eventually began using TuneIn almost exclusively. I have iheartradio installed, for the CC stations, but pretty much just use that for IDing DX. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Don wrote: > >> OK fellow radio nerds. >> >> I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. >> >> What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? >> >> Can you suggest any? >> >> Thanks! > > If the phone is an iPhone, the app I recommend is Pocket Tunes. This app will receive just about any station in the world that streams. It costs, I think, about eight dollars and is well worth it. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > From mariogonz@aol.com Fri Jul 15 15:27:14 2011 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:27:14 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> References: <81FB718C-1272-4943-9871-8A3696591832@mac.com> <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E209492.5080807@aol.com> I used to use Pocket Tunes more, but I found that both apps are very stable. One advantage of Tunein is that you can use it to find certain sports events (not MLB) that might be on at a given time. For example, certain NBA games and NHL games could be heard just by going to the sports category when the games started. I think the radio stations themselves are contributing programming listings to Tunein. We should also mention that many stations have their own apps, so if you just like one station you can download the app for that station. I listen almost exclusively to radio using apps on my iPhone. In the car, we listen to XM. Mario On 7/15/2011 2:43 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Doesn't sound like that does anything that the free TuneIn Radio one does though? I previously used wunderradio, but eventually began using TuneIn almost exclusively. I have iheartradio installed, for the CC stations, but pretty much just use that for IDing DX. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > >> On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Don wrote: >> >>> OK fellow radio nerds. >>> >>> I am hoping to pick up my first smartphone this weekend. >>> >>> What are the best "Apps" for radio nerds to have? >>> >>> Can you suggest any? >>> >>> Thanks! >> If the phone is an iPhone, the app I recommend is Pocket Tunes. This app will receive just about any station in the world that streams. It costs, I think, about eight dollars and is well worth it. >> >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> >> >> From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jul 15 14:40:51 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:40:51 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <20000.20454.570151.361084@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4E202D18.7050207@fybush.com> <1310736154.51703.YahooMailClassic@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20000.20454.570151.361084@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Another location-based lookup site is http://rptr.amateur-radio.net. Although originally designed to list ham radio repeaters, it also has selections for AM, FM, and TV broadcast. It too will prepopulate the location field on devices than can supply the information. If not, and if you don't know your coordinates and don't want to look them up, you can also do it the old-fashioned way over entering a city and state. This site will also plot the first twenty locations it finds on google maps. -Bob On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < sean.smyth@yahoo.com> said: > > > On Fri, 7/15/11, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> It's not an app, per se, but bookmark > >> whereami.bostonradio.org on your browser. Used from a > >> location-enabled mobile device, this nifty little offering > >> from our beloved Moderator quickly answers the question - > >> "hey, what's that tower over there?," a function I expect to > >> be using a lot in the next few days as I drive across the > >> country! > > > Interesting -- didn't know such a site existed. > > Note that it depends on getting a precise location from your phone. > Sometimes the phone won't bother to compute a good location unless you > are running (or have recently run) its mapping/nagivation application. > If you have used a location-based Web page in the browser recently, > and that app asked for only "coarse" location, then your browser will > continue to give that out for a while even to pages that request > "fine" location. A good thing for battery life, not necessarily what > you want for identifying that tower out the car window. > > -GAWollman > > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 15 15:14:45 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:14:45 -0400 Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> References: <81FB718C-1272-4943-9871-8A3696591832@mac.com> <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2369F03E-32B6-4C45-B5DE-2E9687D2CAC1@mac.com> On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Doesn't sound like that does anything that the free TuneIn Radio one does though? I previously used wunderradio, but eventually began using TuneIn almost exclusively. I have iheartradio installed, for the CC stations, but pretty much just use that for IDing DX. > TuneIn Radio used to be a paid app, now it?s free. And you look to be correct, I don?t see it doing anything that Pocket radio doesn?t do, except perhaps play some older codecs, which most likely no one is using anyway. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sat Jul 16 02:02:41 2011 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:02:41 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio Message-ID: The Disney Radio Network, in my opinion, came way, way too late to have any real impact on listening statistics. Actually, Disney did a fair amount of network radio back in the "golden days" - the 1930's and 40's. A weekly show, lots of "guest appearances" of the characters and radio adaptations of Disney films were great fare back then. When radio was King !! The Sunday night Movie program. and The Mickey Mouse Club were staples on vintage TV and made Disney a mint! From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 16 08:02:26 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:02:26 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio Message-ID: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Plus, most of Disney's outlets are AM. ?How many kids listen to AM nowadays? ?The ones I know are barely aware that it exists. ? ?-Doug On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:02:41 -0400, Thomas Heathwood wrote: The Disney Radio Network, in my opinion, came way, way too late to have any real impact on listening statistics. Actually, Disney did a fair amount of network radio back in the "golden days" - the 1930's and 40's. A weekly show, lots of "guest appearances" of the characters > and radio adaptations of Disney films were great fare back then. When > radio was King !! The > Sunday night Movie program. and The Mickey Mouse Club were staples on > vintage TV and made Disney a mint! From mariogonz@aol.com Sat Jul 16 09:14:01 2011 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:14:01 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: We had it on our car radio when my son was younger. That's all he wanted to hear! Now it's Kiss 108. I always wondered how/ if the stations make any money. Most of the commercials advertise Disney stuff such as movies, shows on the Disney channel, etc. There are a few " parent" commercials. The Radio Disney app is in the top 20 of the free music apps, so there may be many listeners here. Mario Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2011, at 8:02 AM, "Doug Drown" wrote: > Plus, most of Disney's outlets are AM. How many kids listen to AM nowadays? The ones I know are barely aware that it exists. -Doug > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:02:41 -0400, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > The Disney Radio Network, in my opinion, came way, way too late to have any real impact on listening statistics. Actually, Disney did a fair amount of network radio back in the "golden days" - the 1930's and 40's. A weekly show, lots of "guest appearances" of the characters >> and radio adaptations of Disney films were great fare back then. When radio was King !! The >> Sunday night Movie program. and The Mickey Mouse Club were staples on vintage TV and made Disney a mint! > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 10:59:34 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:59:34 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: References: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: I wonder if Arbitron has the UNDER 12 numbers for Radio Disney From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 11:30:54 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:30:54 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: <1124082348-1310828859-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1520532806-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <1124082348-1310828859-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1520532806-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: It almost never shows in the 12+ I don't know if Disney even signed up for PPM On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > There's always the 12+ numbers for parents forced to endure it. > > Anyone put disney radio on their extra HD channels? > Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Vahey > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:59:34 > To: Mario Gonzalez Jr. > Cc: Doug Drown; boston-radio-interest; Thomas Heathwood > Subject: Re: Disney Radio > > I wonder if Arbitron has the UNDER 12 numbers for Radio Disney > From fox893@yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 11:07:38 2011 From: fox893@yahoo.com (fox893@yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:07:38 +0000 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: References: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <1124082348-1310828859-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1520532806-@b17.c31.bise6.blackberry> There's always the 12+ numbers for parents forced to endure it. Anyone put disney radio on their extra HD channels? Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device from U.S. Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:59:34 To: Mario Gonzalez Jr. Cc: Doug Drown; boston-radio-interest; Thomas Heathwood Subject: Re: Disney Radio I wonder if Arbitron has the UNDER 12 numbers for Radio Disney From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 12:15:49 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:15:49 +0000 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: References: <1310742563.70897.YahooMailClassic@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1873335931-1310832951-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-677412934-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> In looking at the raw cume numbers between WBZ-FM and WEEI you see 98.5 had 200,000 more total. I then looked at the Chicago book and both AM sports stations had the same cume. Now I believe most sports fans go back and forth depending on what is on either station so.... I am wondering if 98.5's extra 200K represents people who won't or can't go to AM. The EEI cume also indicates the Red Sox don't deliver like they used to. BZ-AM keeps dropping as well and I wonder if WBUR is keeping some on FM only. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:16:48 To: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I honestly don't think country has gotten that big in Boston - the lack >of country music clubs would back me up. > > Adult contemporary is even bigger than country in Boston. Where are all the adult contemporary clubs? > The Boston area has plenty of Folk clubs and a few Jazz clubs, both genres that are not heard much on commercial radio. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 12:42:41 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:42:41 +0000 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: References: <1873335931-1310832951-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-677412934-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1385208707-1310834562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2057529641-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> The next book will be huge as 98.5 has no play by play til the Pats - BTW did any station in Providence pick up the Bruins games? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Laurence Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:22:57 To: Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am wondering if 98.5's extra 200K represents people who won't or can't go to AM. In an ordinary month you could make that assessment, but with the Bruins in the Stanley Cup finals, I think there were 200,000 listeners who wanted to hear those games and hockey talk, not typical sports talk listeners.? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 16 12:51:48 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <628129882-1310835110-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2060998895-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Of course 98.5 puts a good signal into northern RI - I wonder how they are doing in that market. ------Original Message------ From: Jeff Lehmann To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Mark Laurence Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Sent: Jul 16, 2011 12:47 PM There wasn't anyone running the Sox in Providence, but believe it or not, 96.3 WEEI (WEII) on the Cape did toward the end of the season, with the 98.5 mentions and all! It was quite bizarre. When the Sox and Bruins were on at the same time, the Bruins went to 95.1 WXTK. If there was celtics too, I think 96.3 was Celtics, 95.1 Sox, and 101.9 WCIB Bruins. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:42 PM, "Kevin Vahey" wrote: > The next book will be huge as 98.5 has no play by play til the Pats - BTW did any station in Providence pick up the Bruins games? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Laurence > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:22:57 > To: > Cc: Boston Radio > Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am wondering if 98.5's extra 200K represents people who won't or can't go to AM. > > In an ordinary month you could make that assessment, but with the Bruins in the Stanley Cup finals, I think there were 200,000 listeners who wanted to hear those games and hockey talk, not typical sports talk listeners.? > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jul 16 12:47:51 2011 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:47:51 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <1385208707-1310834562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2057529641-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1873335931-1310832951-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-677412934-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1385208707-1310834562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2057529641-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <9F0E1308-CDFB-4AAE-88E5-9564CA7F58DD@comcast.net> There wasn't anyone running the Sox in Providence, but believe it or not, 96.3 WEEI (WEII) on the Cape did toward the end of the season, with the 98.5 mentions and all! It was quite bizarre. When the Sox and Bruins were on at the same time, the Bruins went to 95.1 WXTK. If there was celtics too, I think 96.3 was Celtics, 95.1 Sox, and 101.9 WCIB Bruins. Jeff Lehmann On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:42 PM, "Kevin Vahey" wrote: > The next book will be huge as 98.5 has no play by play til the Pats - BTW did any station in Providence pick up the Bruins games? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Laurence > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:22:57 > To: > Cc: Boston Radio > Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am wondering if 98.5's extra 200K represents people who won't or can't go to AM. > > In an ordinary month you could make that assessment, but with the Bruins in the Stanley Cup finals, I think there were 200,000 listeners who wanted to hear those games and hockey talk, not typical sports talk listeners.? > From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jul 16 12:22:57 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <1873335931-1310832951-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-677412934-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am wondering if 98.5's extra 200K represents people who won't or can't go to AM. In an ordinary month you could make that assessment, but with the Bruins in the Stanley Cup finals, I think there were 200,000 listeners who wanted to hear those games and hockey talk, not typical sports talk listeners.? From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 16 15:00:17 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:00:17 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio Message-ID: <20110716150017.4ta2wi1lc88go0ss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> >> The whole point of Radio Disney's network and stations is not to >> make either money or ratings. They act solely as promotional >> vehicles for the Disney brands. The appeal to children is >> intentional, since they get hooked on Disney stuff easily, and >> therefore draw in their parents who can actually spend the money. Hence ABC's decision to sell its non-Radio Disney O&Os to Citadel. ? They knew which side their bread was buttered on. ? ? On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:10:59 +0000, Sid Schweiger wrote: "I always wondered how/ if the stations make any money. Most of the commercials advertise Disney stuff such as movies, shows on the Disney channel, etc. There are a few " parent" commercials." > > The whole point of Radio Disney's network and stations is not to make > either money or ratings. They act solely as promotional vehicles for > the Disney brands. The appeal to children is intentional, since they > get hooked on Disney stuff easily, and therefore draw in their > parents who can actually spend the money. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > >> >> >> From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 16 16:33:30 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:33:30 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: <20110716150017.4ta2wi1lc88go0ss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110716150017.4ta2wi1lc88go0ss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20001.62874.609960.585951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Hence ABC's decision to sell its non-Radio Disney O&Os to Citadel. ?? > They knew which side their bread was buttered on. ?? ?? No, they kept the ESPN stations, too. And it was actually a bit more complicated than that, because it was structured as a reverse takeover for tax reasons: ABC Radio was spun off to Disney shareholders, then in the next "legal instant" acquired Citadel, with Farid taking over management of the combined company. This allowed the transaction to be tax-free to Disney shareholders. There was also a huge cash dividend to Disney at the same time, which was financed by an ABC Radio debt issue. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Sat Jul 16 13:10:59 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:10:59 +0000 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: References: <20110716080226.bsifcw2lcggc8cco@webmail.myfairpoint.net>, Message-ID: <59FC2FD2-DB55-44D4-B6DC-FFCAF443F6D5@entercom.com> "I always wondered how/ if the stations make any money. Most of the commercials advertise Disney stuff such as movies, shows on the Disney channel, etc. There are a few " parent" commercials." The whole point of Radio Disney's network and stations is not to make either money or ratings. They act solely as promotional vehicles for the Disney brands. The appeal to children is intentional, since they get hooked on Disney stuff easily, and therefore draw in their parents who can actually spend the money. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 > >> >> >> From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 16 17:13:08 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:13:08 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio Message-ID: <20110716171308.1wtxmji8f4gs4cs4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I knew about the deal, and knew it was complicated, but didn't know the details. ? So . . . can we say that Disney/ABC and Citadel/Cumulus are structurally related? ?They're two different companies, but share stockholders. I'm scratching my brain trying to think of another example of this. ?I'm not market-savvy. ? ?-Doug On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:33:30 -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: < said: > > > Hence ABC's decision to sell its non-Radio Disney O&Os to Citadel. > ?? > They knew which side their bread was buttered on. ?? ?? > > No, they kept the ESPN stations, too. And it was actually a bit more > complicated than that, because it was structured as a reverse takeover > for tax reasons: ABC Radio was spun off to Disney shareholders, then > in the next "legal instant" acquired Citadel, with Farid taking over > management of the combined company. This allowed the transaction to > be tax-free to Disney shareholders. There was also a huge cash > dividend to Disney at the same time, which was financed by an ABC > Radio debt issue. > > -GAWollman > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 16 21:27:58 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:27:58 -0400 Subject: Disney Radio In-Reply-To: <20110716171308.1wtxmji8f4gs4cs4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110716171308.1wtxmji8f4gs4cs4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20002.15006.67560.273428@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I knew about the deal, and knew it was complicated, but didn't know the > details. ?? > So . . . can we say that Disney/ABC and Citadel/Cumulus are > structurally related? ??They're two different companies, but share > stockholders. Not any more. Citadel went bankrupt back in 2009, so all the old shareholders were wiped out. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 03:49:18 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:49:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Message-ID: <14178490.1310888958914.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Howard Glazer >To: Boston Radio >Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > >While you weren't looking, country music went national >-- and mainstream. I can certainly believe WKLB's PPM >numbers in Boston, because WKLB is playing artists like >Taylor Swift and Rascal Flatts who also get saturation >exposure on AC radio stations. Country is also growing >in its appeal to younger demographics nationally, and >has been for years, while retaining a decent percentage >of its older listeners, largely through making sure that >old-timers like George Strait and Reba McEntire remain >relevant to radio. What you're saying is all true, but you're missing one key point, at least in my perception, of WKLB's success. WKLB is the first country station in the Boston market that seems to skew significantly toward female listeners! The older, former country stations in Boston that failed tried to market toward the traditional stereotype of the male country listener, a profile that may be much more prevalent in other areas of the USA, and in rural areas. They aren't in the Boston area in significant numbers. But, WKLB realized that there is now a significant female audience who enjoy contemporary country music, and it has done a great job of catering to them with a much more female-oriented presentation (somewhat like a "Hot AC" station, but with twangier music and many female DJ's) than the past country stations in Boston. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 17 10:59:12 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:59:12 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning References: <14178490.1310888958914.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <67C6C510D2104C1F8554C7E5C6398710@SatU205S5044> Don't most GM stations--at least the music stations (I probably wouldn't include WTKK or WPEN in this discussion) rely heavily on a presentation that appeals more to to women listeners than to men? For sure, that's true of 106.7. Don't know about 105.7 or 92.9; I don't think I've spent five minutes listening to either of those in well over a year. If I'm correct, there is probably some validity for categorizing GM managment as sexist. But if that really is the strategy and it is working, the approach could simply be described as a sound business decision. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 3:49 AM Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Howard Glazer >>To: Boston Radio >>Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning >> >>While you weren't looking, country music went national >>-- and mainstream. I can certainly believe WKLB's PPM >>numbers in Boston, because WKLB is playing artists like >>Taylor Swift and Rascal Flatts who also get saturation >>exposure on AC radio stations. Country is also growing >>in its appeal to younger demographics nationally, and >>has been for years, while retaining a decent percentage >>of its older listeners, largely through making sure that >>old-timers like George Strait and Reba McEntire remain >>relevant to radio. > > What you're saying is all true, but you're missing one > key point, at least in my perception, of WKLB's success. > WKLB is the first country station in the Boston market > that seems to skew significantly toward female listeners! > > The older, former country stations in Boston that failed > tried to market toward the traditional stereotype of the > male country listener, a profile that may be much more > prevalent in other areas of the USA, and in rural areas. > They aren't in the Boston area in significant numbers. > > But, WKLB realized that there is now a significant female > audience who enjoy contemporary country music, and it has > done a great job of catering to them with a much more > female-oriented presentation (somewhat like a "Hot AC" > station, but with twangier music and many female DJ's) > than the past country stations in Boston. > > EP > > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jul 17 13:16:04 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:16:04 -0400 Subject: Spring Cume numbers are stunning In-Reply-To: <67C6C510D2104C1F8554C7E5C6398710@SatU205S5044> References: <14178490.1310888958914.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <67C6C510D2104C1F8554C7E5C6398710@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Business outcomes derived from trusted approaches speak for themselves. It's not sexist if the goal is to serve a listenership that is faithful to the brand and is showing growth. Bill O -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _____________________________________________ From: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sun Jul 17 10:59:12 EDT 2011 To: Eli Polonsky , boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning Don't most GM stations--at least the music stations (I probably wouldn't include WTKK or WPEN in this discussion) rely heavily on a presentation that appeals more to to women listeners than to men? For sure, that's true of 106.7. Don't know about 105.7 or 92.9; I don't think I've spent five minutes listening to either of those in well over a year. If I'm correct, there is probably some validity for categorizing GM managment as sexist. But if that really is the strategy and it is working, the approach could simply be described as a sound business decision. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 3:49 AM Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning > >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Howard Glazer >>To: Boston Radio >>Subject: Re: Spring Cume numbers are stunning >> >>While you weren't looking, country music went national >>-- and mainstream. I can certainly believe WKLB's PPM >>numbers in Boston, because WKLB is playing artists like >>Taylor Swift and Rascal Flatts who also get saturation >>exposure on AC radio stations. Country is also growing >>in its appeal to younger demographics nationally, and >>has been for years, while retaining a decent percentage >>of its older listeners, largely through making sure that >>old-timers like George Strait and Reba McEntire remain >>relevant to radio. > > What you're saying is all true, but you're missing one > key point, at least in my perception, of WKLB's success. > WKLB is the first country station in the Boston market > that seems to skew significantly toward female listeners! > > The older, former country stations in Boston that failed > tried to market toward the traditional stereotype of the > male country listener, a profile that may be much more > prevalent in other areas of the USA, and in rural areas. > They aren't in the Boston area in significant numbers. > > But, WKLB realized that there is now a significant female > audience who enjoy contemporary country music, and it has > done a great job of catering to them with a much more > female-oriented presentation (somewhat like a "Hot AC" > station, but with twangier music and many female DJ's) > than the past country stations in Boston. > > EP > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 18 09:32:22 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:32:22 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <1052896161-1310995943-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1001947811-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Given that the scandal in the UK has now hit the top level of News Corp, one has to wonder if their right to operate a broadcast license in the US is at risk. Certainly groups will go after every local license they have saying they are unfit. This could get ugly fast. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Mon Jul 18 10:46:25 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:46:25 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander: ?Recall what happened to RKO General. ? ?-Doug On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:32:22 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: Given that the scandal in the UK has now hit the top level of News Corp, one has to wonder if their right to operate a broadcast license in the US is at risk. > > Certainly groups will go after every local license they have saying > they are unfit. > > This could get ugly fast. > > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Jul 18 12:18:29 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:18:29 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <1052896161-1310995943-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1001947811-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Kevin: My feeling is with all the politicians Fox News has maddened with their phony stories galore their broadcast licenses are in great danger. "Never bite the hand"....you know the rest! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:32 AM Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > Given that the scandal in the UK has now hit the top level of News Corp, > one has to wonder if their right to operate a broadcast license in the US > is at risk. > > Certainly groups will go after every local license they have saying they > are unfit. > > This could get ugly fast. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 18 12:27:09 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:27:09 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I feel the same way - and the politicians they like have to stay away from this. What did Ruppert know - and when? His cable channels are a more murky area - I don't think the FCC can really touch FOX NEWS but I could be wrong. ------Original Message------ From: Ted Larsen To: Kevin Vahey To: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Sent: Jul 18, 2011 12:18 PM Kevin: My feeling is with all the politicians Fox News has maddened with their phony stories galore their broadcast licenses are in great danger. "Never bite the hand"....you know the rest! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:32 AM Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > Given that the scandal in the UK has now hit the top level of News Corp, > one has to wonder if their right to operate a broadcast license in the US > is at risk. > > Certainly groups will go after every local license they have saying they > are unfit. > > This could get ugly fast. > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 18 14:08:02 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:08:02 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20004.30338.351036.814535@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > His cable channels are a more murky area - I don't think the FCC can > really touch FOX NEWS but I could be wrong. Fox Television Stations is worth more than Fox News, and would hurt News Corp. much more to lose. But as far as the programming goes, they could easily take that to nationwide cable and satellite. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jul 18 15:48:36 2011 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:48:36 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <20004.30338.351036.814535@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <20004.30338.351036.814535@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E248E14.3010509@gmail.com> On 7/18/2011 2:08 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Fox Television Stations is worth more than Fox News, and would hurt > News Corp. much more to lose. But as far as the programming goes, > they could easily take that to nationwide cable and satellite. > Fox will skate on this. We're talking about an overseas newspaper that was out of control. If there's no evidence that US operations deal in this nonsense any push to deal with licenses would be seen as political circus in an election year. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 18 15:58:43 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:58:43 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <4E248E14.3010509@gmail.com> References: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><20004.30338.351036.814535@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4E248E14.3010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1463249047-1311019125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919692959-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> NY POST is being looked at carefully by the Daily News - some 'issues' have come up. Very thin ice I would say... -----Original Message----- From: "Bill O'Neill (billohno@gmail.com)" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:48:36 To: Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US On 7/18/2011 2:08 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Fox Television Stations is worth more than Fox News, and would hurt > News Corp. much more to lose. But as far as the programming goes, > they could easily take that to nationwide cable and satellite. > Fox will skate on this. We're talking about an overseas newspaper that was out of control. If there's no evidence that US operations deal in this nonsense any push to deal with licenses would be seen as political circus in an election year. Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 18 16:28:45 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:28:45 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <4E248E14.3010509@gmail.com> References: <644508242-1311006431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211704562-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <20004.30338.351036.814535@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E248E14.3010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20004.38781.371405.546521@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Fox will skate on this. We're talking about an overseas newspaper that > was out of control. If there's no evidence that US operations deal in > this nonsense any push to deal with licenses would be seen as political > circus in an election year. It depends very much on whether News International, the British subsidiary of News Corporation, was engaged in any activity that would fall afoul of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act after 2003, when The News Corporation Limited (South Australia) became News Corporation (Delaware). There is an ongoing FBI investigation into this question. -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 16:16:31 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1463249047-1311019125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919692959-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1311020191.99972.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 7/18/11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NY POST is being looked at carefully > by the Daily News - some 'issues' have come up. > > Very thin ice I would say... Some things at play here ... 1. There will be lots of smoke here but no fire. Some pols will use stripping News Corp. of their licenses as campaign-trail fodder, but the FCC commissioners (when was the last time someone was stripped of a license at renewal time?) will probably look the other way. 2. I'm not sure of the corporate structure here -- I'm almost certain the print side is firewalled from the broadcast side, but someone else would know better. 3. Murdoch gets in too much trouble and decides he no longer wants the Post, it's going out of business. He probably owns a few other smaller papers (that he got from Dow Jones) that would meet the same fate. From sid@wrko.com Tue Jul 19 07:12:31 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:12:31 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1311020191.99972.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1463249047-1311019125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919692959-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1311020191.99972.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18A52F@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "There will be lots of smoke here but no fire. Some pols will use stripping News Corp. of their licenses as campaign-trail fodder, but the FCC commissioners (when was the last time someone was stripped of a license at renewal time?) will probably look the other way." Not necessarily. The FCC has revoked licenses after felony convictions (the last one just a few years ago, a Midwest small group owner convicted of possessing child pornography), and remember from the RKO-General example that not all such transgressions need occur on American soil. An article in yesterday's NYTimes indicates that Murdoch's typical MO is to buy his way out of trouble (his companies have something like $12 billion in readily liquid cash), but I have a feeling this one is out of his league. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Jul 19 12:35:33 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:35:33 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 "Ugly Fast"...indeed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio" ; "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander: Recall what happened to RKO > General. -Doug > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:32:22 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Given that the scandal in the UK has now hit the top level of News Corp, > one has to wonder if their right to operate a broadcast license in the US > is at risk. >> >> Certainly groups will go after every local license they have saying they >> are unfit. >> This could get ugly fast. >> > > > > > From lsochrin@rcn.com Tue Jul 19 12:28:45 2011 From: lsochrin@rcn.com (Larry Sochrin) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:28:45 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The reactions from almost everyone up here seem to completely overlook one key factor, namely ratings. Whether you like Fox News or not, when I last looked, viewers were still endorsing them over their competitors by tuning in. As long as they don't pull the same type of dirty tricks that happened in the UK, the law of supply and demand should still hold in US broadcasting, no? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 19 13:12:29 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:12:29 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20005.47869.840354.251856@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The reactions from almost everyone up here seem to completely > overlook one key factor, namely ratings. Whether you like Fox News > or not, when I last looked, viewers were still endorsing them over > their competitors by tuning in. As long as they don't pull the same > type of dirty tricks that happened in the UK, the law of supply and > demand should still hold in US broadcasting, no? Fox News isn't broadcast, and we don't have a Canadian-style regulatory regime where the government decides what cable channels may be offered. Whatever the blowback from the scandal is, it will have no effect whatsoever on Fox News. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jul 19 12:42:12 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:42:12 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <9653FA0C-07D9-496A-A0EA-707AB32662D0@mac.com> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. > > As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 > And I find it ironic that some of the people on Fox News regularly put down immigrants (and sometimes not just the undocumented ones) when their own boss is an immigrant. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 13:42:48 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:42:48 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ESPN_Radio_'Comes_of_Age'_?= Message-ID: There is a picture at the bottom of this page with the caption: "Anchor Dan Davis in the news booth. Photo by Mark Caswell " http://radioworld.com/article/espn-radio-%E2%80%98comes-of-age%E2%80%99/23937 Is this the same 'Dan Davis' that did sports on WHDH? From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:29:06 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:29:06 +0000 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1483344724-1311100148-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196328911-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> One and the same Dan moved to Connecticut to join the doomed Enterprise Sports Network and finally landed in Bristol -----Original Message----- From: "Don" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:42:48 To: B-R-I Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' There is a picture at the bottom of this page with the caption: "Anchor Dan Davis in the news booth. Photo by Mark Caswell " http://radioworld.com/article/espn-radio-%E2%80%98comes-of-age%E2%80%99/23937 Is this the same 'Dan Davis' that did sports on WHDH? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 13:59:29 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:59:29 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net><74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> <9653FA0C-07D9-496A-A0EA-707AB32662D0@mac.com> Message-ID: <13A5A1D45F054DDF9FE68899ABD0DC03@s20035> >> And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. >> >> As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the >> Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 >> > > And I find it ironic that some of the people on Fox News regularly put > down immigrants (and sometimes not just > the undocumented ones) when their own boss is an immigrant. As someone who watches a lot of Fox News...I have NEVER heard them 'put down' legal immigrants or legal immigration. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 14:44:24 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:44:24 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' References: <1483344724-1311100148-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196328911-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: > One and the same Dan moved to Connecticut to join the doomed Enterprise > Sports Network and finally landed in Bristol Wasn't this the origins of ESPN? i.,e...Enterprise SPorts Network? From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:47:56 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:47:56 +0000 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' Message-ID: <1388766461-1311101278-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-905765049-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Enterprise was started by the same guy that hatched ESPN but it never got traction. Espn radio came along later. Dan will live forever with his Doug Flutie Hail Mary call... ------Original Message------ From: Don To: Kevin Vahey To: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org To: Boston Radio Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' Sent: Jul 19, 2011 2:44 PM > One and the same Dan moved to Connecticut to join the doomed Enterprise > Sports Network and finally landed in Bristol Wasn't this the origins of ESPN? i.,e...Enterprise SPorts Network? From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Tue Jul 19 14:51:40 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:51:40 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' Message-ID: <20110719145140.ip8craiu8084gcsk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I remember Enterprise, vaguely. ?I always assumed the whole thing was started by ABC and Hearst. ?Not the case? On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:47:56 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: Enterprise was started by the same guy that hatched ESPN but it never got traction. > > Espn radio came along later. > > Dan will live forever with his Doug Flutie Hail Mary call... > ------Original Message------ > From: Don > To: Kevin Vahey > To: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > To: Boston Radio > Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' > Sent: Jul 19, 2011 2:44 PM > > > > > One and the same Dan moved to Connecticut to join the doomed > Enterprise > Sports Network and finally landed in Bristol > > Wasn't this the origins of ESPN? > > i.,e...Enterprise SPorts Network? From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jul 19 14:54:40 2011 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> On Jul 19, 2011, at 02:44 PM, Don wrote:Wasn't this the origins of ESPN? > > i.,e...Enterprise SPorts Network? I'd always heard ESPN stood for "Entertainment and Sports Programming Network." For what it's worth Wikipedia agrees. Maybe that's how they can justify poker tournaments. :)? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 15:33:14 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1311103994.14329.YahooMailClassic@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 7/19/11, Don wrote: > Is this the same 'Dan Davis' that did sports on WHDH? Yes. IIRC, he was cut loose by WRKO right around the time ESPN Radio started, and he's one of their originals (along with Chuck Wilson, nee WPRO, who left and then came back). From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jul 19 16:02:17 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:02:17 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> References: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> Message-ID: <3E692449D0394656B906F1B022EF3914@PaulPC> I remember the Enterprise Sports Network (I want to say 82-83 time frame?). I thought afterward for a while ESPN stood for ENTERPRISE Sports Programming network, because of that radio venture (No Cable TV available in Allston at that time.....also why V66 was so sucessful, all the college kids in City of Boston didn't have access to MTV) BTW...Was Boston the last "Major" city to get cabled up? -Paul Hopfgarten -----Original Message----- From: Mark Laurence Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:54 PM To: Don Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' On Jul 19, 2011, at 02:44 PM, Don wrote:Wasn't this the origins of ESPN? > > i.,e...Enterprise SPorts Network? I'd always heard ESPN stood for "Entertainment and Sports Programming Network." For what it's worth Wikipedia agrees. Maybe that's how they can justify poker tournaments. :)?= From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jul 19 16:52:15 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:52:15 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <1311103994.14329.YahooMailClassic@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311103994.14329.YahooMailClassic@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B482559EE944E9DADD2A7539516BCEC@PaulPC> Since the famous call of Flutie's TD vs Miami was November 1984, it was after that point in time.. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:33 PM To: B-R-I ; Don Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' On Tue, 7/19/11, Don wrote: > Is this the same 'Dan Davis' that did sports on WHDH? Yes. IIRC, he was cut loose by WRKO right around the time ESPN Radio started, and he's one of their originals (along with Chuck Wilson, nee WPRO, who left and then came back). From sid@wrko.com Tue Jul 19 13:14:31 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:14:31 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18ACC3@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "The reactions from almost everyone up here seem to completely overlook one key factor, namely ratings. Whether you like Fox News or not, when I last looked, viewers were still endorsing them over their competitors by tuning in. As long as they don't pull the same type of dirty tricks that happened in the UK, the law of supply and demand should still hold in US broadcasting, no?" No. Ratings do not determine who is qualified to hold a broadcast license, and one of the statutory qualifications is "character." Based on past history, the FCC will convene a revocation hearing for a licensee convicted of one or more crimes. That said: Murdoch hasn't been convicted of a thing...yet. However, as a US citizen and the principal stockholder of the News Corporation, his licenses are at risk should he or another officer of the licensee were to be convicted of a crime. His US networks (Fox News, Fox Business, Fox TV, etc.) are not subject to government licensing. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Jul 19 16:59:56 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:59:56 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20005.47869.840354.251856@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4C25B01FCAE442BF8A5CE5C058333585@YOURbcbbe822ed> True, but things could get dicey for the TV licenses. It's just the beginning of a "long road" we'll all soon tire or riding Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Larry Sochrin" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > < > said: > >> The reactions from almost everyone up here seem to completely >> overlook one key factor, namely ratings. Whether you like Fox News >> or not, when I last looked, viewers were still endorsing them over >> their competitors by tuning in. As long as they don't pull the same >> type of dirty tricks that happened in the UK, the law of supply and >> demand should still hold in US broadcasting, no? > > Fox News isn't broadcast, and we don't have a Canadian-style > regulatory regime where the government decides what cable channels may > be offered. Whatever the blowback from the scandal is, it will have > no effect whatsoever on Fox News. > > -GAWollman > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 17:51:36 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:51:36 +0000 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <6B482559EE944E9DADD2A7539516BCEC@PaulPC> References: <1311103994.14329.YahooMailClassic@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6B482559EE944E9DADD2A7539516BCEC@PaulPC> Message-ID: <911312425-1311112298-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-295889206-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> He continued as voice of BC football which was handled by a syndicator - not unlike Ted Sarandis with BC hoops on EEI -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:52:15 To: ; B-R-I; Don Reply-To: Paul Hopfgarten Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' Since the famous call of Flutie's TD vs Miami was November 1984, it was after that point in time.. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Smyth Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:33 PM To: B-R-I ; Don Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' On Tue, 7/19/11, Don wrote: > Is this the same 'Dan Davis' that did sports on WHDH? Yes. IIRC, he was cut loose by WRKO right around the time ESPN Radio started, and he's one of their originals (along with Chuck Wilson, nee WPRO, who left and then came back). From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Jul 19 16:58:51 2011 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <6B482559EE944E9DADD2A7539516BCEC@PaulPC> Message-ID: <1311109131.89865.YahooMailClassic@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 7/19/11, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Since the famous call of Flutie's TD > vs Miami was November 1984, it was after that point in > time.. Yes. ESPN Radio didn't launch until 1991. December 1991, perhaps? Davis was at 680 before that, think he hosted some of the Sox pre- and post-game shows (maybe on the weekends?). From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 19 17:23:53 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:23:53 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18ACC3@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <3496DE61883D4041A9D2B5DF2E9B5513@SatU205S5044> But if he IS convicted, he won't lose any broadcast licenses. The FCC will let him sell his holdings in the company/ies that hold the broadcast licenses. Or he will be allowed to place those holdings in a blind trust. He is too well connected to be stripped of any holdings, even if he is convicted of premeditated murder, which does not seem likely. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > "The reactions from almost everyone up here seem to completely > overlook one key factor, namely ratings. Whether you like Fox News > or not, when I last looked, viewers were still endorsing them over > their competitors by tuning in. As long as they don't pull the same > type of dirty tricks that happened in the UK, the law of supply and > demand should still hold in US broadcasting, no?" > > No. > > Ratings do not determine who is qualified to hold a broadcast > license, and one of the statutory qualifications is "character." > Based on past history, the FCC will convene a revocation hearing for > a licensee convicted of one or more crimes. > > That said: Murdoch hasn't been convicted of a thing...yet. > However, as a US citizen and the principal stockholder of the News > Corporation, his licenses are at risk should he or another officer > of the licensee were to be convicted of a crime. His US networks > (Fox News, Fox Business, Fox TV, etc.) are not subject to government > licensing. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jul 19 17:34:49 2011 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:34:49 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> References: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> Message-ID: <65F715CD-7BA8-47E8-8C97-8815E768F9C0@mac.com> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > I'd always heard ESPN stood for "Entertainment and Sports Programming Network." For what it's worth Wikipedia agrees. > > Maybe that's how they can justify poker tournaments. :)? They justify the poker tournaments because the poker league pays them to run it. My understanding is that?s the same at NBC too. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jul 19 22:48:13 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:48:13 -0400 Subject: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' In-Reply-To: <65F715CD-7BA8-47E8-8C97-8815E768F9C0@mac.com> References: <976b40d4-21e0-67fb-c628-cbf0d67d6e04@me.com> <65F715CD-7BA8-47E8-8C97-8815E768F9C0@mac.com> Message-ID: That also used to be true of FOX carrying the Poker Stars tourney with the "loose cannon" amateur, but that stopped almost immediately after the Poker Stars site shut down last April. -Paul H Concord NH -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:34 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: Re: ESPN Radio 'Comes of Age' On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > I'd always heard ESPN stood for "Entertainment and Sports Programming > Network." For what it's worth Wikipedia agrees. > > Maybe that's how they can justify poker tournaments. :)? They justify the poker tournaments because the poker league pays them to run it. My understanding is that?s the same at NBC too. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 19 23:26:49 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:26:49 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <4E264AF9.9080200@attorneyross.com> On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. > > As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the > Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 And I'd love to know how he managed that. He didn't have an immigrant's visa, nor had he resided in the US for five years. Some officials looked the other way for him, I think. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jul 20 01:21:36 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:21:36 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <4E264AF9.9080200@attorneyross.com> References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> <4E264AF9.9080200@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20006.26080.660574.115447@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: >> And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. >> >> As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the >> Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 > And I'd love to know how he managed that. He didn't have an immigrant's > visa, nor had he resided in the US for five years. Some officials > looked the other way for him, I think. It's not hard if you're a rich businessman from an English-speaking country. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 20 01:28:31 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:28:31 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <20005.47869.840354.251856@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20005.47869.840354.251856@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E26677F.4090401@fybush.com> On 7/19/2011 1:12 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Fox News isn't broadcast, and we don't have a Canadian-style > regulatory regime where the government decides what cable channels may > be offered. Whatever the blowback from the scandal is, it will have > no effect whatsoever on Fox News. From a regulatory point of view, this is true. But it wasn't regulatory blowback that shuttered News of the World...it was (at least in part) the economic fallout as public revulsion over the phone-tapping revelations pushed advertisers to shun the paper in droves. It's hard (but not impossible) to imagine a similar reaction to Fox News here absent a much bigger domestic scandal than has thus far been alleged. s (back home after driving across the country in 4 days and flying back in 1...) From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 20 01:44:20 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:44:20 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <3496DE61883D4041A9D2B5DF2E9B5513@SatU205S5044> References: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18ACC3@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> <3496DE61883D4041A9D2B5DF2E9B5513@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E266B34.1030003@fybush.com> On 7/19/2011 5:23 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But if he IS convicted, he won't lose any broadcast licenses. The FCC > will let him sell his holdings in the company/ies that hold the > broadcast licenses. Or he will be allowed to place those holdings in a > blind trust. He is too well connected to be stripped of any holdings, > even if he is convicted of premeditated murder, which does not seem likely. I wouldn't be so certain at this point. And the issue is more complex than just Murdoch's own personal stake in News Corp. and its subsidiary license-holding entities. The licenses to WFXT and WNYW and WWOR and the rest (including the Fox cable-channel satellite uplinks, which *are* FCC licensed even if the cable networks themselves are not) are held not by Murdoch as an individual but by Fox Television Stations as a "corporate person." And it's the character of Fox Television Stations, Inc. and of its ultimate parent company, News Corporation, that would determine whether the company - with or without Murdoch himself at the helm - can continue to hold US broadcast licenses should there be a challenge. Again, the relevant precedent appears to me to be the RKO licenses. While it was individual General Tire executives who were convicted of bribery abroad, it was General Tire/RKO as a corporate entity that was deemed unfit to continue to hold licenses. Should that come to pass, there are several precedents the FCC might choose to follow. It's extraordinarily unlikely that it would simply order the Fox stations off the air and leave their channels vacant. This has never happened with major-market stations, but has happened with smaller radio signals over the years. (I was just in Terre Haute, IN, where three frequencies remain silent more than a decade after the FCC stripped Mike Rice's stations of their licenses after Rice was convicted of child abuse.) It's more likely that the stations will be allowed to continue operating temporarily, perhaps in a trust, with Fox selling the non-license assets (studios, towers, programming) to a new owner and the proceeds of the actual license sale being diverted somewhere that won't directly benefit News Corp. This happened recently in Scranton, where Doug Lane was allowed to sell his stations to another owner after being convicted of felony child abuse. The portion of the sale price attributed to the licenses ended up going to the local DA for a child-abuse prevention program. It's also essentially what happened with the RKO stations. RKO wasn't allowed to take a profit from the sale of the WNAC/WRKO license assets, but the FCC couldn't stop it from selling 7 Bulfinch Place and 45 Tower Road to Mugar for what was surely a healthy amount by 1980 standards. s From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 20 01:35:41 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:35:41 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <4E26677F.4090401@fybush.com> References: <20005.47869.840354.251856@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E26677F.4090401@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4E26692D.2060605@attorneyross.com> On 7/20/2011 1:28 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > From a regulatory point of view, this is true. But it wasn't > regulatory blowback that shuttered News of the World...it was (at > least in part) the economic fallout as public revulsion over the > phone-tapping revelations pushed advertisers to shun the paper in droves. > > It's hard (but not impossible) to imagine a similar reaction to Fox > News here absent a much bigger domestic scandal than has thus far been > alleged. I imagine if it turns out that Murdoch knew of and sanctioned the hacking, it might come to that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 20 11:36:47 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:36:47 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <4E266B34.1030003@fybush.com> References: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18ACC3@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com><3496DE61883D4041A9D2B5DF2E9B5513@SatU205S5044><4E266B34.1030003@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1162853904-1311176209-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-473897589-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> What is amazing is FOX has somehow been able to carve out strong local news operations which are not influenced by the cable news channel. What WFXT has been able to do in the Boston market starting from nothing in 15 years is impressive. Looking back to RKO losing WNAC to Mugar-Kraft - it was noted here that RKO sold the studios and transmitter to WNEV. Compare that to the refusal of the Herald-Traveler to sell anything to WCVB back in 1972. After WCVB took over the H-T did sell the remote truck to BBI but otherwise WCVB had to start from scratch. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Fybush Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:44:20 To: Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US On 7/19/2011 5:23 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But if he IS convicted, he won't lose any broadcast licenses. The FCC > will let him sell his holdings in the company/ies that hold the > broadcast licenses. Or he will be allowed to place those holdings in a > blind trust. He is too well connected to be stripped of any holdings, > even if he is convicted of premeditated murder, which does not seem likely. I wouldn't be so certain at this point. And the issue is more complex than just Murdoch's own personal stake in News Corp. and its subsidiary license-holding entities. The licenses to WFXT and WNYW and WWOR and the rest (including the Fox cable-channel satellite uplinks, which *are* FCC licensed even if the cable networks themselves are not) are held not by Murdoch as an individual but by Fox Television Stations as a "corporate person." And it's the character of Fox Television Stations, Inc. and of its ultimate parent company, News Corporation, that would determine whether the company - with or without Murdoch himself at the helm - can continue to hold US broadcast licenses should there be a challenge. Again, the relevant precedent appears to me to be the RKO licenses. While it was individual General Tire executives who were convicted of bribery abroad, it was General Tire/RKO as a corporate entity that was deemed unfit to continue to hold licenses. Should that come to pass, there are several precedents the FCC might choose to follow. It's extraordinarily unlikely that it would simply order the Fox stations off the air and leave their channels vacant. This has never happened with major-market stations, but has happened with smaller radio signals over the years. (I was just in Terre Haute, IN, where three frequencies remain silent more than a decade after the FCC stripped Mike Rice's stations of their licenses after Rice was convicted of child abuse.) It's more likely that the stations will be allowed to continue operating temporarily, perhaps in a trust, with Fox selling the non-license assets (studios, towers, programming) to a new owner and the proceeds of the actual license sale being diverted somewhere that won't directly benefit News Corp. This happened recently in Scranton, where Doug Lane was allowed to sell his stations to another owner after being convicted of felony child abuse. The portion of the sale price attributed to the licenses ended up going to the local DA for a child-abuse prevention program. It's also essentially what happened with the RKO stations. RKO wasn't allowed to take a profit from the sale of the WNAC/WRKO license assets, but the FCC couldn't stop it from selling 7 Bulfinch Place and 45 Tower Road to Mugar for what was surely a healthy amount by 1980 standards. s From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jul 20 11:27:27 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <68f2.16c29bd8.3b584ddf@aol.com> Fox News isn't going anywhere but they do own TV stations that are within reach of the FCC. In a message dated 7/19/2011 4:54:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>Fox News isn't broadcast, and we don't have a Canadian-style regulatory regime where the government decides what cable channels may be offered. Whatever the blowback from the scandal is, it will have no effect whatsoever on Fox News.<<<< From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 20 12:56:24 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:56:24 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20110718104625.zns4byhj44ogsokw@webmail.myfairpoint.net><74997A7E9ED34C9BB0C9B5ECAA87BE38@YOURbcbbe822ed> <4E264AF9.9080200@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe: As I recall the Kennedys had something to do with it. It's not mentioned here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch But this is On 4 September 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > On 7/19/2011 12:35 PM, Ted Larsen wrote: > >> And remember News Corp is a U.S. company and Murdoch is a U.S. citizen. >> >> As I recall he had to get citizenship during the flap over owning the >> Herald and trying to buy Ch. 25 > > And I'd love to know how he managed that. He didn't have an immigrant's > visa, nor had he resided in the US for five years. Some officials looked > the other way for him, I think. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 20 14:51:00 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <779307.46113.bm@smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <779307.46113.bm@smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E272394.4070706@attorneyross.com> On 7/20/2011 2:33 PM, sean.smyth@yahoo.com wrote: > I'd be very surprised if the Kennedys helped Rupert with anything. Right. As I recall, Ted Kennedy at some point tried to sneak something into a bill that would have impeded Murdoch's attempt to purchase Channel 25. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 20 15:01:08 2011 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:01:08 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <779307.46113.bm@smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E272394.4070706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe: I was sure it was somewhere in the back of my mind but it was backwards. Anyway Murdoch did become a citizen, but I can't find any details of how. Regards, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Cc: "Ted Larsen" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > On 7/20/2011 2:33 PM, sean.smyth@yahoo.com wrote: > >> I'd be very surprised if the Kennedys helped Rupert with anything. > > Right. As I recall, Ted Kennedy at some point tried to sneak something > into a bill that would have impeded Murdoch's attempt to purchase Channel > 25. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:22:54 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:22:54 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: References: <779307.46113.bm@smtp106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E272394.4070706@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: He became a citizen in 1985 so he could buy Metromedia He was ordered to sell the Chicago Sun-Times so he could buy WFLD but was allowed to keep the NY Post ( for reasons that are unclear ) when he bought the former WNEW-TV channel 5 in NY From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jul 20 16:46:36 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:46:36 -0400 Subject: Donna does some skyping In-Reply-To: <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP><1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com><2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044><4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4E273EAC.3040509@donnahalper.com> Never done this before, so I hope it turns out okay. You can see me TONIGHT on This Week in Radio Tech - at 8pm ET on http://live.twit.tv From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:18:20 2011 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:18:20 -0400 Subject: Donna does some skyping In-Reply-To: <4E273EAC.3040509@donnahalper.com> References: <1F7FDDC4140C41F9948273E2DDEE4D3C@chrisHP> <1942684832-1310557103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397191717-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <161031769-1310557703-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-86761672-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <428802066-1310558481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-656203972-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E1DD298.8040003@donnahalper.com> <2D8344988C794164BD0DFB7B32F97302@SatU205S5044> <4E1DEF09.9080407@donnahalper.com> <3F313CB9F6F9488AA5FD53CFA2080A47@PaulPC> <4E273EAC.3040509@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: twit.tv is the best. I was out in Petaluma, California at Leo Laporte's Twit studio a week ago Saturday. I sat in on "The Weekly Daily Giz Wiz" show with Dick DeBartolo. After the show Leo took us on a tour of his soon to open new million dollar studio. His podcast network is now generating ad revenues of 4-5 million per year. -Ken On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Never done this before, so I hope it turns out okay. You can see me > TONIGHT on This Week in Radio Tech - at 8pm ET on http://live.twit.tv > From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Jul 20 21:24:17 2011 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:24:17 -0400 Subject: Donna on TWiRT Message-ID: Donna was great tonight on the Twit Network ! -Ken From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 22:15:21 2011 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio "apps" for smartphones.... In-Reply-To: <36D21816-861E-463C-A96E-E9BC9530D049@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1311214521.40495.YahooMailClassic@web125516.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Doesn't sound like that does anything > that the free TuneIn Radio one does though? I previously > used wunderradio, but eventually began using TuneIn almost > exclusively. I have iheartradio installed, for the CC > stations, but pretty much just use that for IDing DX. I realize I'm a little late to this discussion, but I would also like to cast a vote for the TuneIn app. Almost all of my mobile streaming audio listening is done through that. My only real complaint about it is that, in addition to not supporting streaming of CC stations (which is because of a CC corporate directive), they also do not support streaming of any Townsquare Media (former Regent Communications) stations either. Here in the Albany-Schenectady-Troy NY market, that eliminates a vast majority of the local stations (Only the Pamal broadcasting stations, public broadcasting, market rimshot, and religious stations are streamed by it). I also have the Xiia Lite player installed, but rarely use it. There is currently a known defect that prevents any aacPlus audio streams from being played on certain Droid phones (I have an LG Optimus V, one of the affected phones). If they ever fix that, I might use that more often... Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Jul 21 09:01:27 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> You are correct. Many decades ago this is how the FCC controlled the TV nets. They regulate the but by regulating their outlets, and their O&O's, the FCC essentially controlled the nets also. Mike In a message dated 7/20/2011 11:38:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>That said: Murdoch hasn't been convicted of a thing...yet. However, as a US citizen and the principal stockholder of the News Corporation, his licenses are at risk should he or another officer of the licensee were to be convicted of a crime. His US networks (Fox News, Fox Business, Fox TV, etc.) are not subject to government licensing.<<<< From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 10:12:14 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:12:14 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> References: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> Message-ID: <1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2. -----Original Message----- From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:01:27 To: ; Subject: RE: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US You are correct. Many decades ago this is how the FCC controlled the TV nets. They regulate the but by regulating their outlets, and their O&O's, the FCC essentially controlled the nets also. Mike In a message dated 7/20/2011 11:38:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>That said: Murdoch hasn't been convicted of a thing...yet. However, as a US citizen and the principal stockholder of the News Corporation, his licenses are at risk should he or another officer of the licensee were to be convicted of a crime. His US networks (Fox News, Fox Business, Fox TV, etc.) are not subject to government licensing.<<<< From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Jul 21 09:08:39 2011 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <2fd31.2c16a559.3b597ed7@aol.com> The Immigration Service will give anyone that brings in 500 K into to the country to invest and claims to employ 10 people an Enterprise visa. Murdoch put more than 10 people to work. He is the type of immigrant this country needs. Would he should do is temporarily switch Fox News to a far left leaning liberal news channel and it will all go away. Mike In a message dated 7/20/2011 11:38:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>And I'd love to know how he managed that. He didn't have an immigrant's visa, nor had he resided in the US for five years. Some officials looked the other way for him, I think.<<< From sid@wrko.com Thu Jul 21 11:06:04 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:06:04 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> <1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18C84E@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2." Probably because CBS, particularly CBS News, provided a lot of local programming for WCBS-TV. The late Fred Friendly, while he was running CBS News, raged impotently that "Channel 2 News" had been taken away from him and placed under Channel 2 management. There is a video on TVArk of Robert Trout's last newscast for WCBS-TV, in which he promos his replacement, Jim Jensen (the same one that worked at WBZ-TV). Historically the networks' local stations always brought in far more profit than their networks did. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 11:20:08 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:20:08 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18C84E@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com><1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18C84E@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <289631764-1311261611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-886925376-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Paley wanted WEEI-TV on channel 5 badly but as we found out later the 'fix' was in for the Herald-Traveler. WBBM-TV Chicago as the most profitable of the CBS O&O's... Paley was hands on - he ordered WBBM to become all news as he was afraid Westinghouse would make WIND all news even though the talk format was very popular. -----Original Message----- From: Sid Schweiger Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:06:04 To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US "There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2." Probably because CBS, particularly CBS News, provided a lot of local programming for WCBS-TV. The late Fred Friendly, while he was running CBS News, raged impotently that "Channel 2 News" had been taken away from him and placed under Channel 2 management. There is a video on TVArk of Robert Trout's last newscast for WCBS-TV, in which he promos his replacement, Jim Jensen (the same one that worked at WBZ-TV). Historically the networks' local stations always brought in far more profit than their networks did. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 12:16:50 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:16:50 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <1814397630-1311265012-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57312740-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> There was no room for error - WCBS would go black a half second before the hour gong. When WNAC took over CBS they had a semi-automated Northern Electric switcher that had problems with it....another problem was a switcher could not trust the Western Union clock second hand but wait for red light signal at the hour. ABC would feed WABC in off time just to send something down the telco line. I don't know what NBC did. ------Original Message------ From: Don To: Kevin Vahey To: TVNETDUDE@aol.com To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org To: sid@wrko.com Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Sent: Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM > There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2. << You know, now that you mention it...growing up in Boston, there was a couple of times I saw a WCBS-TV ID go over the air in Boston. This was probably the 1970's. I always wondered why that was. Now I think I know. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 11:41:51 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:41:51 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> <1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <162065C8078F41AAB382ACFEBF2D9BE8@s20035> > There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2. << You know, now that you mention it...growing up in Boston, there was a couple of times I saw a WCBS-TV ID go over the air in Boston. This was probably the 1970's. I always wondered why that was. Now I think I know. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 21 12:00:53 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:53 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <20110721120053.6k088e3af48g044g@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I remember when I was a kid growing up in central Mass. in the '50s and '60s, there would be an occasional momentary slip-up either with the networks' microwave feeds or with the local stations' commercials, and we'd receive a few seconds of New York's 2, 4 or 7. ? It seldom occurred, but it was amusing (and kind of cool) when it did. ? -Doug On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:12:14 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: There was a time that Black Rock considered WCBS-TV the network. ABC and NBC at least went black during local breaks - CBS kept feeding channel 2. > -----Original Message----- > From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: > Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:01:27 To: > ; > Subject: RE: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US You > are correct. Many decades ago this is how the FCC controlled the TV > nets. They regulate the but by regulating their outlets, and their > O&O's, the FCC essentially controlled the nets also. Mike > In a message dated 7/20/2011 11:38:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > > >>>That said: Murdoch hasn't been convicted of a thing...yet. > However, as a US citizen and the principal stockholder of the News > Corporation, his licenses are at risk should he or another officer of > the licensee were to be convicted of a crime. His US networks (Fox > News, Fox Business, Fox TV, etc.) are not subject to government > licensing.<<<< > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:32:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:32:30 +0000 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: <713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP> <79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net><713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> Message-ID: <1239462673-1310628752-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1831150845-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> LOL - They would print the unofficial number in the 7 Races edition BUT if the mob felt too many people had won they would use another track - the Record PAYOFF edition was the final word. The Record printed around the clock as late as 1972. Babe Rubenstein and later Jim Hannon hosted the WHIL show. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:19:36 To: 'Chris Hall'; ; ; ; Lou Subject: RE: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball These the same folks that used to get the "Number" from the Record-American before the MA Lottery came to be.... ? -Paul H On July 14, 2011 at 2:14 AM Lou wrote: > My dad used to listen to that every night while we had dinner.? I'd love > to hear an old aircheck of that! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM > > > Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk and > Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:43:19 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:43:19 +0000 Subject: Baseball radio in the Northeast In-Reply-To: References: <1310549809.14327.YahooMailClassic@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1CDCB77AF4784E1D8CA84B4558BC52C1@PaulPC><1137858694-1310556190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-871248765-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1451009656-1310658200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1532029192-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WPLM treated the Bruins badly - they wouldn't even spring for a high quality phone line from the Garden to Plymouth. Bob Wilson might as well have used a telephone. -----Original Message----- From: SteveOrdinetz Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:27:39 To: Cc: Paul Hopfgarten; Martin Waters; Subject: Re: Baseball radio in the Northeast In the late 80s/early 90s I worked at a station that was a Bruins affiliate, and they had the worst satellite feed I've ever heard. At the beginning of the season it would be OK, but by January or so the signal had deteriorated to the point where it was nothing but static...our board ops generally had to get a phone patch from WPLM. Someone told me that they were reducing their uplink power mid-season and this was the cause. Anyone know the real deal on this? It happened this way every season that I worked there. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Campbell owned WPLM and also wound up with the Bruins. For Bruins coverage > in Boston he used 1330 as a backup. From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:04:14 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:04:14 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: I'm not sure Sid Schweiger is quite right on the notion of the FCC convening a hearing to revoke a license of someone convicted of a crime. I know of no case in which the FCC has summarily convened a "revocation" hearing for a commercial broadcast licensee on its own motion. Generally, there have been competing applications or petitions to deny renewal which have led to proceedings. The WLBT case saw a petition to deny from the United Church of Christ, the WHDH case was a license renewal that was designated for hearing following which a competing applicant was awarded a license; in the consolidated RKO General cases, a competing application was filed against KHJ-TV on the ground of illegal reciprocal trade agreements. That contest inspired similar applications in other markets, and the renewal was designated for comparative hearing. As the hearing process progressed, the issue of corporate corruption and lack of candor were as raised concerning General Tire and Rubber Company's propensity for slush funds, bribing foreign potentates and the like, and, more importantly, General Tire's failure to confess to its sins ("lack of candor" in the FCC's words).. in the WFXL case, the commission did order a show cause hearing, but acted in the context of an applicaton for assignment of a television license and several low power licenses. In none of these cases was a license "revoked," and in none of these cases did the FCC act on its own. I admit I do not know how tthe question of the fitness of Red Lion to operate WGCB came before the commission except to note that it involved a refusal to obey an FCC rule despite an order to do so, which is distinguished from the fitness issue. Murdoch's biggest fear must be a shareholder suit, since he has merrily sold stock to the public, but keeps two classes of stock through which he controls a company despite owning less than 1 percent of the shares. From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jul 21 13:31:22 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:31:22 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 07/21/11 11:20 AM >To: Sid Schweiger, boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US >Paley wanted WEEI-TV on channel 5 badly but as we found out later the 'fix' was in for the Herald-Traveler. >Sid Schweiger >IT Manager, Entercom New England >20 Guest St / 3d Floor >Brighton MA 02135-2040 From the earliest days that I observed the media in my youth and learned a smidgen about the technical aspects of radio, I became amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional AM anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established networks and major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have specialized in lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional blowtorches. When I also became aware of the limits on the number of O&Os, it occurred to me that by CBS owning WEEI, they couldn't own a more powerful station elsewhere. And going back to the early days of TV, if Mr. Paley was interested in putting a VHF station on-the-air in Boston, probable a WEEI-TV, it was well before the "VHF freeze"; couldn't channel 2 have been assigned to Boston? I know channel 5 was originally assigned to Worcester, but by the mid-50s, that was over. Can you imagine a WGBH-TV channel 5? From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jul 21 17:58:08 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (aerie.ma@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1255531612.35421.1311285488914.JavaMail.root@sz0025a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Didn't Raytheon hold the original commercial license to Channel 2 in Boston, but then they decided not to get into TV ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: kvahey@gmail.com, "Sid Schweiger" , boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:31:22 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 07/21/11 11:20 AM >To: Sid Schweiger, boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US >Paley wanted WEEI-TV on channel 5 badly but as we found out later the 'fix' was in for the Herald-Traveler. >Sid Schweiger >IT Manager, Entercom New England >20 Guest St / 3d Floor >Brighton MA 02135-2040 >From the earliest days that I observed the media in my youth and learned a smidgen about the technical aspects of radio, I became amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional AM anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established networks and major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have specialized in lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional blowtorches. When I also became aware of the limits on the number of O&Os, it occurred to me that by CBS owning WEEI, they couldn't own a more powerful station elsewhere. And going back to the early days of TV, if Mr. Paley was interested in putting a VHF station on-the-air in Boston, probable a WEEI-TV, it was well before the "VHF freeze"; couldn't channel 2 have been assigned to Boston? I know channel 5 was originally assigned to Worcester, but by the mid-50s, that was over. Can you imagine a WGBH-TV channel 5? From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 18:44:47 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:44:47 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1255531612.35421.1311285488914.JavaMail.root@sz0025a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com><1255531612.35421.1311285488914.JavaMail.root@sz0025a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <845568613-1311288288-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-872457424-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Raytheon actually had channel ONE and then 2 -----Original Message----- From: aerie.ma@comcast.net Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:58:08 To: Laurence Glavin Cc: Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Didn't Raytheon hold the original commercial license to Channel 2 in Boston, but then they decided not to get into TV ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: kvahey@gmail.com, "Sid Schweiger" , boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:31:22 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: 07/21/11 11:20 AM >To: Sid Schweiger, boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org, boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US >Paley wanted WEEI-TV on channel 5 badly but as we found out later the 'fix' was in for the Herald-Traveler. >Sid Schweiger >IT Manager, Entercom New England >20 Guest St / 3d Floor >Brighton MA 02135-2040 >From the earliest days that I observed the media in my youth and learned a smidgen about the technical aspects of radio, I became amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional AM anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established networks and major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have specialized in lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional blowtorches. When I also became aware of the limits on the number of O&Os, it occurred to me that by CBS owning WEEI, they couldn't own a more powerful station elsewhere. And going back to the early days of TV, if Mr. Paley was interested in putting a VHF station on-the-air in Boston, probable a WEEI-TV, it was well before the "VHF freeze"; couldn't channel 2 have been assigned to Boston? I know channel 5 was originally assigned to Worcester, but by the mid-50s, that was over. Can you imagine a WGBH-TV channel 5? From sid@wrko.com Thu Jul 21 20:00:28 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:00:28 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D64EC96-C39F-4871-AD3C-042758AA3FD7@entercom.com> "I'm not sure Sid Schweiger is quite right on the notion of the FCC > convening a hearing to revoke a license of someone convicted of a crime." I've been wrong before and shall be wrong again. I'm used to it by now. However, I never said and/or meant that the FCC convenes revocation hearings on its own motion. Typically, as in the cases you cited, a party of interest "notified" the FCC of what had happened. > > "I admit I do not know how the question of the fitness of Red Lion to > operate WGCB came before the commission except to note that it involved a > refusal to obey an FCC rule despite an order to do so, which is > distinguished from the fitness issue." Red Lion was a test of both the Fairness Doctrine and the personal-attack rule, both of which WGCB willfully and repeatedly violated, and despite an FCC order to provide journalist Fred J. Cook with time to reply to an editorial attack on him (first asking the station and then notifying the FCC that the station had refused), the station challenged the FD and the attack rule in court. The case made it all the way to the Supreme Court, which found the rules constitutional. Cook got his time, but long after most listeners would have forgotten what the fuss was about in the first place. IIRC WGCB lost its license subsequent to the SCOTUS case after a challenge at renewal time, based on the court case and its overall record of rule violations. > Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA. 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 21:00:50 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:00:50 +0000 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In-Reply-To: References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP><79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net><713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> <1239462673-1310628752-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1831150845-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1349206600-1311296452-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2062548436-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Golden voice Bill Marlow was at WHIL for a bit as well... WTAO had some talent as well - Ray Walker who did weekend weather at channel 5 did afternoons in the early 60's. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:51:17 To: Kevin Vahey; Paul; 'Chris Hall'; ; ; Lou Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball In its heyday, WHIL was a very professional sounding little station. The format was what was called MOR back in the day. The morning guy did voices. (IIRC, his last name was Walsh--Bob Walsh, maybe.) He was kind of a low-budget Jess Cain. VERY talented, but his talent was never really recognized. I think George Fennell did PM drive. Interesting about the race results. I can believe that WHIL ran them, but I don't remember them. It's quite amusing, though, that the first station I can remember than ran race results all day was also on 1430--but in New York, not Boston. The station was WBYN Brooklyn. WBYN lost its license for broadcasting the race results. After a couple of years of there being no station on 1430 in the New York market, WBYN's replacement emerged. It was the Newark News's WNJR, Newark (NJ). After many decades of different owners, different formats, and different calls, the station became Arthur Liu's leased-ethnic WNSW. And after being a signal that didn't reach a lot of the market for all those years, WNSW lost its two-tower site in Union. (This was the second site that the station had occupied since signing on; both sites were in Union.) Liu has now moved WNSW to the four-tower Clifton site of co-owned WPAT 930 (Paterson)--much further north than Union. From those four rather tall, self-supporting, top-loaded towers, WNSW probably gets out quite well. It now runs 10 kW-D/7 kW-N--enough to be called a (mostly) full-market signal. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Paul" ; "'Chris Hall'" ; ; ; "Lou" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:32 AM Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >> Behalf Of >> Kevin Vahey >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM >> >> >> Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk >> and >> Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 21 20:51:17 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:51:17 -0400 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP><79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net><713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> <1239462673-1310628752-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1831150845-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: In its heyday, WHIL was a very professional sounding little station. The format was what was called MOR back in the day. The morning guy did voices. (IIRC, his last name was Walsh--Bob Walsh, maybe.) He was kind of a low-budget Jess Cain. VERY talented, but his talent was never really recognized. I think George Fennell did PM drive. Interesting about the race results. I can believe that WHIL ran them, but I don't remember them. It's quite amusing, though, that the first station I can remember than ran race results all day was also on 1430--but in New York, not Boston. The station was WBYN Brooklyn. WBYN lost its license for broadcasting the race results. After a couple of years of there being no station on 1430 in the New York market, WBYN's replacement emerged. It was the Newark News's WNJR, Newark (NJ). After many decades of different owners, different formats, and different calls, the station became Arthur Liu's leased-ethnic WNSW. And after being a signal that didn't reach a lot of the market for all those years, WNSW lost its two-tower site in Union. (This was the second site that the station had occupied since signing on; both sites were in Union.) Liu has now moved WNSW to the four-tower Clifton site of co-owned WPAT 930 (Paterson)--much further north than Union. From those four rather tall, self-supporting, top-loaded towers, WNSW probably gets out quite well. It now runs 10 kW-D/7 kW-N--enough to be called a (mostly) full-market signal. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Paul" ; "'Chris Hall'" ; ; ; "Lou" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:32 AM Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >> Behalf Of >> Kevin Vahey >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM >> >> >> Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from Suffolk >> and >> Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 21 21:12:15 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:12:15 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <0D64EC96-C39F-4871-AD3C-042758AA3FD7@entercom.com> Message-ID: <7C1703EF96494E8CBB155B61F03506A7@SatU205S5044> The Red Lion case was one of two highly publicized cases that involved right-wing religious broadcsters with AMs licensed to Philadelphia suburbs (assuming that you accept that Red Lion is a Philly suburb; IIRC, it's rather far from Philly to be called a suburb). The other was WXUR 690, a daytimer licensed to Media PA. Media is on the Main Line, so it definitely qualifies as a Philly suburb. IIRC, WXUR was owned by Rev. Carl McIntyre. I don't remember what the issue was, but I'm pretty sure that WXUR ultimately lost its licnese. It took quite a few years for it to do so, however. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "Karen McTrotsky" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > "I'm not sure Sid Schweiger is quite right on the notion of the FCC >> convening a hearing to revoke a license of someone convicted of a >> crime." > > I've been wrong before and shall be wrong again. I'm used to it by > now. > > However, I never said and/or meant that the FCC convenes revocation > hearings on its own motion. Typically, as in the cases you cited, a > party of interest "notified" the FCC of what had happened. >> >> "I admit I do not know how the question of the fitness of Red Lion >> to >> operate WGCB came before the commission except to note that it >> involved a >> refusal to obey an FCC rule despite an order to do so, which is >> distinguished from the fitness issue." > > Red Lion was a test of both the Fairness Doctrine and the > personal-attack rule, both of which WGCB willfully and repeatedly > violated, and despite an FCC order to provide journalist Fred J. > Cook with time to reply to an editorial attack on him (first asking > the station and then notifying the FCC that the station had > refused), the station challenged the FD and the attack rule in > court. The case made it all the way to the Supreme Court, which > found the rules constitutional. Cook got his time, but long after > most listeners would have forgotten what the fuss was about in the > first place. IIRC WGCB lost its license subsequent to the SCOTUS > case after a challenge at renewal time, based on the court case and > its overall record of rule violations. >> > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA. 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 21 21:26:11 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:26:11 -0400 Subject: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP><79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net><713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> <1239462673-1310628752-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1831150845-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1349206600-1311296452-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2062548436-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: But IIRC, Marlowe wasn't on 1430 until it had become WXKS (AM) and had flipped to an adult standards format. Around that time, Alan Dary and Betty Daye were also on the station. Must have been in the 80s (well, maybe the late 70s). Bob Walsh and George Fennell were there in the late '50s. I believe the station originally signed on (on 1540 with 250W-D) in 1954. It was kind of fortunate that the signal on 1540 interfered with WMEX 1510. WHIL almost immediately had to move and the FCC determined that 1430 would work with 500W-D. But the big advantage of 1430 over 1540 was that, on 1430, there was no daytime skywave from 50-kW WPTR. That must have decimated WHIL's puny 250W signal in AM- and PM drive for the short period of time that it was on 1540. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Paul" ; "'Chris Hall'" ; ; ; "Lou" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > Golden voice Bill Marlow was at WHIL for a bit as well... > > WTAO had some talent as well - Ray Walker who did weekend weather at > channel 5 did afternoons in the early 60's. > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:51:17 > To: Kevin Vahey; Paul; 'Chris > Hall'; > ; > ; > Lou > Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > > In its heyday, WHIL was a very professional sounding little station. > The format was what was called MOR back in the day. The morning guy > did voices. (IIRC, his last name was Walsh--Bob Walsh, maybe.) He > was > kind of a low-budget Jess Cain. VERY talented, but his talent was > never really recognized. I think George Fennell did PM drive. > > Interesting about the race results. I can believe that WHIL ran > them, > but I don't remember them. It's quite amusing, though, that the > first > station I can remember than ran race results all day was also on > 1430--but in New York, not Boston. The station was WBYN Brooklyn. > WBYN > lost its license for broadcasting the race results. After a couple > of > years of there being no station on 1430 in the New York market, > WBYN's > replacement emerged. It was the Newark News's WNJR, Newark (NJ). > After > many decades of different owners, different formats, and different > calls, the station became Arthur Liu's leased-ethnic WNSW. And after > being a signal that didn't reach a lot of the market for all those > years, WNSW lost its two-tower site in Union. (This was the second > site that the station had occupied since signing on; both sites were > in Union.) Liu has now moved WNSW to the four-tower Clifton site of > co-owned WPAT 930 (Paterson)--much further north than Union. From > those four rather tall, self-supporting, top-loaded towers, WNSW > probably gets out quite well. It now runs 10 kW-D/7 kW-N--enough to > be > called a (mostly) full-market signal. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Paul" ; "'Chris Hall'" > ; > ; > ; "Lou" > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >>> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Kevin Vahey >>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM >>> >>> >>> Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from >>> Suffolk >>> and >>> Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. >>> >>> >> > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 22:03:04 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1255531612.35421.1311285488914.JavaMail.root@sz0025a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1255531612.35421.1311285488914.JavaMail.root@sz0025a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1311300184.75614.YahooMailRC@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> IIRC CBS bought half interest in the channel 2 license but didn't put it on the air because they wanted to fight for the color standard first. By the time that battle was over and lost the channel 2 license was assigned to educational TV and channel 5 was up for grabs. Channel 2 was assigned to Lexington, probably under the theory that they would concentrate on that immediate area more than Boston itself. From paul@derrynh.net Thu Jul 21 22:28:38 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Speaking of 1540 daytime Skywave In-Reply-To: References: <7774904B998C446194D967C84F537A61@chrisHP><79942743-1310622444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426389000-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><004501cc41ed$52616170$f7242450$@net><713250192.225184.1310627976235.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de> <1239462673-1310628752-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1831150845-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <1349206600-1311296452-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2062548436-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1006501293.489402.1311301718384.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw10.schlund.de> WDCD or WPTR (I forget if they went back, not exactly a preset...) interferes with WXEX Exeter at times as close as Raymond NH, only about 15 miles west of 'XEX. (Not responsible for incorrect calls in this post)..1540 was WGIP in the GIR simulcast days, and I think they were WMYF either just before or after... ? Not 1150 Boston # of calls, but they've had a few on 1540 Exeter... ? (They'd broadcast the first inning or 2 of the Red Sox until sign off back in the GIP days when WGIR had the Sox rights...bizzare....they'd remind you to go to 610 or 930 to catch the rest of the game) ? -Paul Hopfgarten Concord NH On July 21, 2011 at 9:26 PM "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > But IIRC, Marlowe wasn't on 1430 until it had become WXKS (AM) and had > flipped to an adult standards format. Around that time, Alan Dary and > Betty Daye were also on the station. Must have been in the 80s (well, > maybe the late 70s). Bob Walsh and George Fennell were there in the > late '50s. I believe the station originally signed on (on 1540 with > 250W-D) in 1954. It was kind of fortunate that the signal on 1540 > interfered with WMEX 1510. WHIL almost immediately had to move and the > FCC determined that 1430 would work with 500W-D. But the big advantage > of 1430 over 1540 was that, on 1430, there was no daytime skywave from > 50-kW WPTR. That must have decimated WHIL's puny 250W signal in AM- > and PM drive for the short period of time that it was on 1540. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Paul" > ; "'Chris Hall'" ; > ; > ; "Lou" > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > > > > Golden voice Bill Marlow was at WHIL for a bit as well... > > > > WTAO had some talent as well - Ray Walker who did weekend weather at > > channel 5 did afternoons in the early 60's. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:51:17 > > To: Kevin Vahey; Paul; 'Chris > > Hall'; > > ; > > ; > > Lou > > Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" > > Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > > > > In its heyday, WHIL was a very professional sounding little station. > > The format was what was called MOR back in the day. The morning guy > > did voices. (IIRC, his last name was Walsh--Bob Walsh, maybe.)? He > > was > > kind of a low-budget Jess Cain. VERY talented, but his talent was > > never really recognized. I think George Fennell did PM drive. > > > > Interesting about the race results. I can believe that WHIL ran > > them, > > but I don't remember them. It's quite amusing, though, that the > > first > > station I can remember than ran race results all day was also on > > 1430--but in New York, not Boston. The station was WBYN Brooklyn. > > WBYN > > lost its license for broadcasting the race results. After a couple > > of > > years of there being no station on 1430 in the New York market, > > WBYN's > > replacement emerged. It was the Newark News's WNJR, Newark (NJ). > > After > > many decades of different owners, different formats, and different > > calls, the station became Arthur Liu's leased-ethnic WNSW. And after > > being a signal that didn't reach a lot of the market for all those > > years, WNSW lost its two-tower site in Union. (This was the second > > site that the station had occupied since signing on; both sites were > > in Union.) Liu has now moved WNSW to the four-tower Clifton site of > > co-owned WPAT 930 (Paterson)--much further north than Union. From > > those four rather tall, self-supporting, top-loaded towers, WNSW > > probably gets out quite well. It now runs 10 kW-D/7 kW-N--enough to > > be > > called a (mostly) full-market signal. > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Vahey" > > To: "Paul" ; "'Chris Hall'" > > ; > > ; > > ; "Lou" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:32 AM > > Subject: Re: 1430 was Kiss 108-Rex Sox baseball > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > >>> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > >>> Behalf Of > >>> Kevin Vahey > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:47 AM > >>> > >>> > >>> Up until MOYL the only thing 1430 had was race results from > >>> Suffolk > >>> and > >>> Rockingham - every bookie within 50 miles listened. > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 21 23:41:39 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:41:39 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <162065C8078F41AAB382ACFEBF2D9BE8@s20035> References: <2f89c.1aa8718d.3b597d27@aol.com> <1886703475-1311257537-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-981810251-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <162065C8078F41AAB382ACFEBF2D9BE8@s20035> Message-ID: <4E28F173.3020304@attorneyross.com> On 7/21/2011 11:41 AM, Don wrote: > You know, now that you mention it...growing up in Boston, there was a > couple of times I saw a WCBS-TV ID go over the air in Boston. This > was probably the 1970's. I always wondered why that was. Now I think > I know. Sometime in the early 1950s, I remember seeing a WNBT test pattern briefly at the end of Howdy Doody. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jul 22 02:11:23 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <5AF1DB3C95AF4BCA8A893CD4E5FBADA3@chrisHP> Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went silent, later returned for the Music of your Life. They would occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie Jones (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 01:50:14 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:50:14 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com> Message-ID: <08B5EABE98A44389A5BA799615A6F32F@s20035> > I became > amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional AM > anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established networks and > major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have specialized in > lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional blowtorches. RKO General had 5KW WHBQ and 5KW KFRC Wasn't Westinghouse's WIND only 5KW's too? From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 07:06:32 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:06:32 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <20110722070632.ebg22jjf6ssgoo88@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Yes, plus NBC had WJAS in Pittsburgh and ABC had KABC in LA. ?? Did CBS make a later bid for Channel 5 when it became apparent that the Herald-Traveler was going to lose it? ?-Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:50:14 -0400, Don wrote: > I became > > amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional > AM > anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established > networks and > > major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have > specialized in > lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional > blowtorches. > > > RKO General had 5KW WHBQ and 5KW KFRC > > Wasn't Westinghouse's WIND only 5KW's too? > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:22:45 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:22:45 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <116161691-1311333767-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-472194456-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I am guessing that when CBS first leased WEEI from Edison before buying it the station had the second strongest signal in the city - WHDH and WLAW had yet to upgrade. ------Original Message------ From: Doug Drown To: Laurence Glavin To: Kevin Vahey To: SidSchweiger To: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org To: Don Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Sent: Jul 22, 2011 7:06 AM Yes, plus NBC had WJAS in Pittsburgh and ABC had KABC in LA. ?? Did CBS make a later bid for Channel 5 when it became apparent that the Herald-Traveler was going to lose it? ?-Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:50:14 -0400, Don wrote: > I became > > amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional > AM > anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established > networks and > > major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have > specialized in > lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional > blowtorches. > > > RKO General had 5KW WHBQ and 5KW KFRC > > Wasn't Westinghouse's WIND only 5KW's too? > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 07:08:00 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:08:00 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <20110722070800.jrjlbxydsgcgkggc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. ?WCOP was later sold to Plough, the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I remember it being a classy little station. ? -Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s > first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went silent, > later returned for the Music of your Life. > They would occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie Jones > (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 07:18:00 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:18:00 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <20110722071800.cd4d7xpm8so48skw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I stand corrected, Chris, after rereading your post. ?I believe Bulova did own WORL at one time --- and WCOP as well. On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:08:00 -0400, Doug Drown wrote: I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. ?WCOP was later sold to Plough, > the pharmaceutical company. > I don't know who owned WHIL, but I remember it being a classy little > station. ? -Doug > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: > Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack > Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s > > first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went silent, > > later returned for the Music of your Life. > > They would occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie > Jones > (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 22 08:06:29 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:06:29 +0000 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <1298565595-1311336391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-391181881-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WHIL-FM in the 60's had a small but loyal group of listeners when they were country - but they were blown out of the water when WCOP went to the format in 1968. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 09:03:06 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:03:06 -0400 Subject: WHIL References: <20110722070800.jrjlbxydsgcgkggc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <24C855FDB21F40BE8DFFEBB247FAE5DA@SatU205S5044> Well, originally, 1430 was owned by Sherwood Tarlow, I believe. Wasn't he a judge? I have no idea how many years he owned WHIL, but I'm pretty sure that it was more than a few. Then the station started changing hands among major (and later-to-become major) group owners, including Evergreen and Pyramid, one of which was--IIRC--the last of the owners to remain standing before it was absorbed into Clear Channel. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:08 AM Subject: Re: WHIL >I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to Plough, >the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I >remember it being a classy little station. -Doug > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: > Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack > Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s >> first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went silent, >> later returned for the Music of your Life. They would occasionally >> stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie Jones (Receptionist-den >> mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) >> >> > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 09:28:34 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:28:34 -0400 Subject: WHIL References: <20110722071800.cd4d7xpm8so48skw@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: I don't know about a Bulova connection with 950, but at the FCC, Bulova seemed to have a reputation as kind of a shadowy character. AFAIK, he never owned any stations through Bulova Watch Co, which he owned, but rather, his radio ownerships were listed under his own name, Arde Bulova. He owned WNEW in New York City and also either WAAM or WODA, share timers (on what would eventually become 1280) that later merged to become WOV. Once WODA and WAAM merged, I believe Bulova owned WOV. That was probably before 1943, when the FCC broke up duopolies, So for a while, I think he owned both WOV and WNEW. I'm not sure which of the two he retained after duopolies were abolished. We probably need Donna and/or Scott to untangle that one. Oh, and remember that WORL went dark for several months or years in the the mid/late 1940s after losing its license for, IIRC, unauthorized transfer of control. That sounds like the sort of shenanigan that Bulova could easily have been involved with. I'm pretty sure that, before it went dark, WORL had its transmitter in Wellesley or someplace close by. That site was likely on the campus of Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The Babson Statistical Organization. Then, around the time when when WORL was to return to the air, WHDH had completed its move from its site on the Lynn Marsh Rd in Saugus to the current (WEEI) site in Needham. That move freed up the Saugus site for WORL, which as WROL occupies it to this day. Despite frequent incursions by the Atlantic Ocean, the site is a gem because of the salt water path to so much of the Boston area. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: ; "Chris Hall" ; "Doug Drown" Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: Re: WHIL >I stand corrected, Chris, after rereading your post. I believe Bulova >did own WORL at one time --- and WCOP as well. > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:08:00 -0400, Doug Drown wrote: > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to Plough, >> the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I >> remember it being a classy little station. -Doug >> >> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: >> Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack >> Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s >> > first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went >> > silent, later returned for the Music of your Life. They would >> > occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie >> Jones > (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 09:45:07 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:45:07 -0400 Subject: WHIL References: <20110722093131.wbe1th3pgks4gows@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <43B95F8A40584E4DB8D67CE359703D5A@SatU205S5044> Right you are! Can't disagree with that! What kind of "music" would be appropriate? Heavy metal? Techno? Probably the latter. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:31 AM Subject: Re: WHIL >> That site was likely on the campus of Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The Babson Statistical Organization. What a great name that would be for a rock group! -Doug From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 09:51:32 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:51:32 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <20110722095132.7mbstu0y8c0oc880@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I can pick up WROL quite decently all day long up here in Downeast Maine. ? ? -Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:28:34 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: I don't know about a Bulova connection with 950, but at the FCC, > Bulova seemed to have a reputation as kind of a shadowy character. > AFAIK, he never owned any stations through Bulova Watch Co, which he > owned, but rather, his radio ownerships were listed under his own > name, Arde Bulova. He owned WNEW in New York City and also either WAAM > or WODA, share timers (on what would eventually become 1280) that > later merged to become WOV. Once WODA and WAAM merged, I believe > Bulova owned WOV. That was probably before 1943, when the FCC broke up > duopolies, So for a while, I think he owned both WOV and WNEW. I'm not > sure which of the two he retained after duopolies were abolished. We > probably need Donna and/or Scott to untangle that one. Oh, and > remember that WORL went dark for several months or years in the the > mid/late 1940s after losing its license for, IIRC, unauthorized > transfer of control. That sounds like the sort of shenanigan that > Bulova could easily have been involved with. > > I'm pretty sure that, before it went dark, WORL had its transmitter in > Wellesley or someplace close by. That site was likely on the campus of > Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The > Babson Statistical Organization. Then, around the time when when WORL > was to return to the air, WHDH had completed its move from its site on > the Lynn Marsh Rd in Saugus to the current (WEEI) site in Needham. > That move freed up the Saugus site for WORL, which as WROL occupies it > to this day. Despite frequent incursions by the Atlantic Ocean, the > site is a gem because of the salt water path to so much of the Boston > area. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > To: ; "Chris Hall" > ; "Doug Drown" > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: WHIL > > > >I stand corrected, Chris, after rereading your post. I believe Bulova > >did own WORL at one time --- and WCOP as well. > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:08:00 -0400, Doug Drown wrote: > > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to Plough, > >> the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I > >> remember it being a classy little station. -Doug > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: > >> Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack > >> Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s > >> > first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went > >> > silent, later returned for the Music of your Life. They would > >> > occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie > >> Jones > (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 09:31:31 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:31:31 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <20110722093131.wbe1th3pgks4gows@webmail.myfairpoint.net> >> That site was likely on the campus of Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The Babson Statistical Organization. What a great name that would be for a rock group! ? ?-Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:28:34 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: I don't know about a Bulova connection with 950, but at the FCC, > Bulova seemed to have a reputation as kind of a shadowy character. > AFAIK, he never owned any stations through Bulova Watch Co, which he > owned, but rather, his radio ownerships were listed under his own > name, Arde Bulova. He owned WNEW in New York City and also either WAAM > or WODA, share timers (on what would eventually become 1280) that > later merged to become WOV. Once WODA and WAAM merged, I believe > Bulova owned WOV. That was probably before 1943, when the FCC broke up > duopolies, So for a while, I think he owned both WOV and WNEW. I'm not > sure which of the two he retained after duopolies were abolished. We > probably need Donna and/or Scott to untangle that one. Oh, and > remember that WORL went dark for several months or years in the the > mid/late 1940s after losing its license for, IIRC, unauthorized > transfer of control. That sounds like the sort of shenanigan that > Bulova could easily have been involved with. > > I'm pretty sure that, before it went dark, WORL had its transmitter in > Wellesley or someplace close by. That site was likely on the campus of > Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The > Babson Statistical Organization. Then, around the time when when WORL > was to return to the air, WHDH had completed its move from its site on > the Lynn Marsh Rd in Saugus to the current (WEEI) site in Needham. > That move freed up the Saugus site for WORL, which as WROL occupies it > to this day. Despite frequent incursions by the Atlantic Ocean, the > site is a gem because of the salt water path to so much of the Boston > area. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > To: ; "Chris Hall" > ; "Doug Drown" > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: WHIL > > > >I stand corrected, Chris, after rereading your post. I believe Bulova > >did own WORL at one time --- and WCOP as well. > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:08:00 -0400, Doug Drown wrote: > > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to Plough, > >> the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I > >> remember it being a classy little station. -Doug > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:11:23 -0400, Chris Hall wrote: > >> Three of the WHIL announcers I remember were Dave Maynard and Jack > >> Chatterton one of several WHDH staff including Alan Dary?s > >> > first time (pre WHDH) after WORL owned by Bulova Watch went > >> > silent, later returned for the Music of your Life. They would > >> > occasionally stop by to visit Joe Kruger and Dottie > >> Jones > (Receptionist-den mother of WHIL=WWEL:-WXKS) > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 22 12:41:45 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:41:45 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: <20110722093131.wbe1th3pgks4gows@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110722093131.wbe1th3pgks4gows@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E29A849.9000803@donnahalper.com> On 7/22/2011 9:31 AM, Doug Drown wrote: >>> That site was likely on the campus of > Babson College, which was somehow related to the original owner, The > Babson Statistical Organization. > What a great name that would be for a rock group! - While anything is possible, there's no direct connection that I know of between the original owner of the former WBSO, which went on the air from Babson College in late January 1927, and Arde Bulova, who as Dan and others have pointed out, was indeed a shady character, although his partner Harold LaFount was a bigger one, from what the newspapers reported. Roger Babson was a famous economist and also a deeply religious Christian (who, sad to say, was not terribly fond of Jews and who during the 1930s wrote a controversial article he had to walk back very quickly about how Jews were persecuted because of their "sharp business practices" and the fact that they were, in his view, not generous like Christians... don't even begin to get me started on those assertions). Babson used his station to preach, as well as to broadcast a fairly well-received ongoing series of programs about the economy, in terms the layperson could understand; the station also had some music and some news, but was best known for the "Midnight Ministry" and the economy programs. In mid-1935, WBSO was purchased by three guys who worked in sales for the late great John Shepard 3rd at the Yankee Network, George Crockwell, James Phelan and William Eynan. By December, the station was renamed WORL and by April of 1936, the Needham location was no longer in use; the new station was officially broadcasting from Boston, with offices at 910 Beacon Street and studios in the Myles Standish Hotel. In the early 1940s, the station was operating from an area common to several other Boston stations, what is today the called the Theater District, home of what was then the Bradford Hotel (where WBZ operated)-- WORL set up at 216 Tremont (today part of Emerson College, I believe) The three Shepard guys found the station too expensive to operate, opening the door for George Lasker to take it over and to very quietly (according to the newspapers) get Arde Bulova and Harold La Fount involved, which was not widely known at the time it occurred. Bulova & La Fount owned stations in NY and would ultimately get into trouble with the FCC, as noted earlier. There was an FCC ruling in 1947 ordering the station off the air, and one reason given was the secretive process by which Arde and Harold were sold more and more of WORL's stock. After a long battle, WORL went dark at the end of April 1949, returning to the air with new owners in 1950. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 22 12:55:35 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:55:35 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: <20110722070800.jrjlbxydsgcgkggc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110722070800.jrjlbxydsgcgkggc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E29AB87.5040200@donnahalper.com> On 7/22/2011 7:08 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to Plough, > the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, but I > remember it being a classy little station. As far as I know, WHIL was owned by Sherwood "Woody" Tarlow, a former judge and a somewhat controversial figure in Boston politics. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 22 13:39:38 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:39:38 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Am I correct in thinking that Tarlow owned several New England stations? ?-Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:55:35 -0400, Donna Halper wrote: On 7/22/2011 7:08 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to > Plough, > the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, > but I > remember it being a classy little station. > > As far as I know, WHIL was owned by Sherwood "Woody" Tarlow, a former > judge and a somewhat controversial figure in Boston politics. > > From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jul 22 13:21:36 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:21:36 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <024D75C56FF94D65A921CCC433A9E3FE@chrisHP> WHIL was owned by Judge Sherwood and Hilda Tarlow since its inception as WIBL (1540) until its sale to Congressman Cecil Heftel of Hawaii in late 1978. The Judge also owned the Capitol Bank chain in Boston. The Tarlows were very nice people to work for, the station had a family atmosphere. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 22 14:58:07 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:58:07 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E29C83F.50701@donnahalper.com> On 7/22/2011 1:39 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > Am I correct in thinking that Tarlow owned several New England stations? Very correct. He owned several small market stations, but I don't think any of them were in Mass except for WHIL. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 16:04:45 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:04:45 -0400 Subject: WHIL--Bob Walsh Message-ID: <7E0D4A3C095740F3945A94E1C68CFDEB@SatU205S5044> In an earlier post, I mentioned WHIL's AM-drive guy, whose name was--I think--Bob Walsh, and described him as a low-budget Jess Cain. Thinking about it--and not trying to take anything away from the incredibly talented Cain--I remembered that Walsh, in addition to being lucky if he were to have earned a salary 10% as large as Jess's, handled all of the production himself and also read the news, whereas Jess had the assistance of the redoubtable Pudge Flynn doing production and such pros as Leo Egan reading the news. Some amazing radio people worked at small stations and only a few of them received any of the rewards they deserved. I wonder whether Bob Walsh was related to now-retired WBZ AM-drive news guy, Ed Walsh. Bob was probably a decade older than Ed, but they might have been cousins--or brothers. Probably not, though; Walsh is a very common name--especially around here. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 22 15:26:28 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:26:28 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <08B5EABE98A44389A5BA799615A6F32F@s20035> References: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com> <08B5EABE98A44389A5BA799615A6F32F@s20035> Message-ID: <4E29CEE4.9080509@attorneyross.com> On 7/22/2011 1:50 AM, Don wrote: >> I became >> amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional AM >> anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established networks and >> major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have >> specialized in lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional >> blowtorches. > > > RKO General had 5KW WHBQ and 5KW KFRC And so was WNAC prior to 1953. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:41:04 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:41:04 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <1511267277-1311367301-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1840600127-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> ABC owned KQV in Pittsburgh for many years which was only 5000 watts. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:56:55 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:56:55 +0000 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: <424718111-1311368218-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-756828643-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> When CBS was forced to sell WEEI to stay at the then AM limit (laughable now) - I still can not believe they sold it to Papa Gino's Pizza... ------Original Message------ From: scott@fybush.com To: Kevin Vahey Cc: A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.bostonradio.org Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US Sent: Jul 22, 2011 4:44 PM > ABC owned KQV in Pittsburgh for many years which was only 5000 watts. > And still owns KABC in Los Angeles, also only 5000 watts (and not even the most impressive 5000-watter in town!) s From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jul 22 16:29:57 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:29:57 -0400 Subject: WHIL--Bob Walsh In-Reply-To: <7E0D4A3C095740F3945A94E1C68CFDEB@SatU205S5044> References: <7E0D4A3C095740F3945A94E1C68CFDEB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E29DDC5.8080906@donnahalper.com> On 7/22/2011 4:04 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > In an earlier post, I mentioned WHIL's AM-drive guy, whose name was--I > think--Bob Walsh, and described him as a low-budget Jess Cain. > Thinking about it--and not trying to take anything away from the > incredibly talented Cain--I remembered that Walsh, in addition to > being lucky if he were to have earned a salary 10% as large as Jess's, > handled all of the production himself and also read the news, Back to the old WORL for a minute. It had some beloved personalities, and in the early to mid 1940s, was known for the "920 Club," 15-minute blocks of songs by popular artists. Bob Perry was the host. WORL (both old and new) did not pay talent well-- they got a lot of their announcers from broadcasting schools like Leland Powers or Cambridge School of Broadcasting (later Grahm Jr College). The WORL announcer I remember as a kid was Stan Richards, who came over from WCOP when Alan Dary left there in 1956. Lots of amazing personalities worked for WORL in the 50s, as has been noted, including Alan Dary, Norm Prescott, Dave Maynard, and Norm Tulin. As for WHIL, in addition to Maynard, I remember George Fennell was there for a while and so was Jim Aylward. I vaguely recall Bob Walsh, who was there in the mid 1950s. I don't know if he's related to anyone like Ed Walsh -- Bob Walsh could have been a house name. I'll try to find out. From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 22 16:44:41 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:44:41 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US In-Reply-To: <1511267277-1311367301-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1840600127 -@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1511267277-1311367301-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1840600127-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: > ABC owned KQV in Pittsburgh for many years which was only 5000 watts. > And still owns KABC in Los Angeles, also only 5000 watts (and not even the most impressive 5000-watter in town!) s From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jul 22 18:01:01 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:01:01 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: Tarlow owned in full or part of the following stations: 100% of WHIL AM/FM under the name Conant Broadcasting WGUY Bangor KUTY Palmdale, Ca WARE Ware, Mass WLOB AM/FM Portland There may have been more but these are what I come up with off the top of my head As for WORL the transmitter building and tower base are still there, it is now a residential property on the main road from Needham to Wellesley, if you are looking at the tower field from behind the WEEI/WHDH transmitter building you can see the road and at the time see the tower. I have a picture of the brand new WHDH site in 1948 and the tower is clearly visable in the background. Anyone have pictures of WMEX in Squantam? , I have lots of pix of old WNAC in Squantam and new WNAC 3 tower array in Quincy. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 21:45:13 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:45:13 -0400 Subject: WHIL References: Message-ID: WNAC in Squantum was, in fact, WNAC/WAAB in Squantum, right? A Blaw-Knox diamond tower, I'm told. And yes, it was an antediluvian AM diplex! Could it have been the very first AM diplex? Dunno! At one point, KSFO and KFRC in San Francisco were diplexed, and that was more technically challenging than diplexing stations on 1230 (WNAC pre NARBA) and 1410 (WAAB pre NARBA). KFRC and KSFO were only 50 kc apart, 8.2% of the higher frequency (610). 180 (1410-1230) is 12.77% of 1410. OTOH, I believe the WNAC/WAAB diplex could have predated the KFRC/KSFO diplex by a decade or more. Given the frequency stability of the crystal oscillators of the day, 12.77% in 1931 might have been as much of a challenge as 8.2% a decade later. When WORL or WBSO transmitted from the Wellesley/Needham area, was the station really licensed to Boston? And what power was it running? I thought it was a 1-kW daytimer. Rules on CoL coverage have changed over the years, but I find it hard to believe that 1 kW ND from the Wellesley area could have covered Boston with anything like today's 5 mV/m minimum. WEEI, which sends the equivalent of more than 100 kW ND toward Boston, delivers only about 35 mV/m to downtown Boston. 1 kW ND at 950 would have delivered only about 3 mV/m. Maybe the rule in those days was only 2 or 2.5 mV/m over the CoL. That probably would have worked. Or maybe the FCC waived the rule. Or maybe WORL had already increased to 5 kW--an upgrade that I didn't think took place until the station's move to Saugus in 1947 or 1948. As for personalities at WORL, I didn't arrive in Boston until the summer of 1956, so I never heard anybody who was on the air on WORL or its predecessor, WBSO, when the program I knew as the 950 Club was the 920 Club. That would have been before the end of March 1941, when NARBA reworked the AM band and moved most stations up the dial by various amounts. Most stations on 920, including WORL/WBSO, moved to 950. Donna simply isn't old enough to have listened to the program when it was the 920 Club. She would have to have been born no later than 1941 to have caught the program when it aired on 920. That would make her 70 now. Moreover, she would have been only six weeks old when NARBA transformed what had been the 920 Club into the 950 Club;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hall" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: WHIL Tarlow owned in full or part of the following stations: 100% of WHIL AM/FM under the name Conant Broadcasting WGUY Bangor KUTY Palmdale, Ca WARE Ware, Mass WLOB AM/FM Portland There may have been more but these are what I come up with off the top of my head As for WORL the transmitter building and tower base are still there, it is now a residential property on the main road from Needham to Wellesley, if you are looking at the tower field from behind the WEEI/WHDH transmitter building you can see the road and at the time see the tower. I have a picture of the brand new WHDH site in 1948 and the tower is clearly visable in the background. Anyone have pictures of WMEX in Squantam? , I have lots of pix of old WNAC in Squantam and new WNAC 3 tower array in Quincy. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jul 22 22:07:20 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:07:20 -0400 Subject: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US References: <20110721173122.310110@gmx.com><08B5EABE98A44389A5BA799615A6F32F@s20035> <4E29CEE4.9080509@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0D0E7F53B3D144EEB1D1E78789C14515@SatU205S5044> And WHBQ was only 1 kW at night. ABC owned WXYZ in Detroit, which was 5 kW and KECA (now KABC) in Los Angeles, which was and is also 5 kW. CBS may also have owned a station in Houston that was only 5 kW. NBC, which tended to be the most facilities consious of the networks, owned WRC in DC, which was only 5 kW. I think Group W may have owned KSFO for a while when KSFO was 5 kW-D/ 1-kW-N. Also, CBS owned KCBS (KQW) before it increased to 50 kW. It was 7500W at the time. However, I believe that at one point, CBS tried to do a frequency swap with WLAW, which would have put WEEI on 680 with 50 kW. That, presumably would have moved the 590 frequency to Lawrence, which might not have worked because of second-adjacent overlap with WMUR 610. In those days, the second-adjacent overlap rules were tighter than they are now. Moving 590 to Lawrence might also have caused problems with WTAG. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Could News Corp lose right to broadcast in the US > On 7/22/2011 1:50 AM, Don wrote: > >>> I became >>> amazed that GIANT CBS owned and operated a 5,000-watt directional >>> AM anywhere. Most chains of radio stations by the established >>> networks and >>> major players like what was then Westingouse seemed to have >>> specialized in lower-case 'c' clear channel outlets or regional >>> blowtorches. >> >> >> RKO General had 5KW WHBQ and 5KW KFRC > > And so was WNAC prior to 1953. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 23 00:02:02 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:02:02 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E2A47BA.6080004@donnahalper.com> On 7/22/2011 9:45 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WNAC in Squantum was, in fact, WNAC/WAAB in Squantum, right? Yes, and in fact, there are still little pieces of the guy-wires and anchors (or whatever they are called) embedded in people's yards and some have bubbled up from the ground to be visible in several driveways, much as people in that part of Squantum have tried to dig them all up. There's also an abandoned shack that evidently was part of the transmitter. I visited the neighborhood back in 2000. And while I am thinking of it, thanks to Chris Hall for naming the other stations Sherwood Tarlow owned-- I had forgotten his involvement with WARE... > Dan wrote-- > > When WORL or WBSO transmitted from the Wellesley/Needham area, was the > station really licensed to Boston? I haven't seen their license, but in all of the newspapers and Broadcasting Yearbooks as well as in Billboard magazine, they are listed as "WORL Boston." WBSO, on the other hand, was always listed as a Wellesley station, with a transmitter in Needham. I can find what power it had back then -- just need to dig out my old Variety or Broadcasting Yearbook. Dan wrote-- > [Donna] would have to have been born no later > than 1941 to have caught the program when it aired on 920. That would > make her 70 now. Never said I listened to the old WBSO, whether in Wellesley/Needham or when it moved into Boston circa 1939. But I did say that some of the personalities who were on the original WORL stuck around the Boston market; and I do recall hearing them in the 1950s. I was born in 1947 and used to listen with my parents to the old WHDH (they loved Fred B. Cole, Ken & Bill, and Bob Clayton). But some of the folks I mentioned from the new 1950 version of WORL absolutely were around when I was growing up. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 23 00:58:52 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:58:52 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: <4E2A47BA.6080004@donnahalper.com> References: <4E2A47BA.6080004@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <20010.21772.326134.419929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I haven't seen their license, but in all of the newspapers and > Broadcasting Yearbooks as well as in Billboard magazine, they are listed > as "WORL Boston." WBSO, on the other hand, was always listed as a > Wellesley station, with a transmitter in Needham. I can find what power > it had back then -- just need to dig out my old Variety or Broadcasting > Yearbook. The 1935 BY says 500 watts, daytime only, for 920 in Needham. The phone number was Wellesley 2029, and the program director was Edward W. Center. The same issue shows Joseph Kirby's WMFH as a construction permit on 1120 (also a 500-watt daytimer), and WMEX as 250-D/100-N in Chelsea with the old ABC network. Here's a roundup of the Boston facilities from 1935: WAAB 1410 500 W 58 Winter St WBZ 990 50 kW Hotel Bradford WBZA 990 1000 W (not clear why both are listed) Hotel Bradford WEEI 590 1000 W "Boston" WHDH 830 1000 W-D Hotel Touraine WMEX 1500 250 W-D, 100 W-N Hotel Manger WMFH cp 1120 500 W-D WNAC 1230 2000 W-D, 1000 W-N 21 Brookline Ave. -GAWollman From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sat Jul 23 01:27:00 2011 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:27:00 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: When I was a junior program assistant/announcer trainee at WCOP in the 1947-50 era, the station was owned by Plough, Inc. <> ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Drown To: Donna Halper Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org ; Chris Hall Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: Re: WHIL Am I correct in thinking that Tarlow owned several New England stations? -Doug On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:55:35 -0400, Donna Halper wrote: On 7/22/2011 7:08 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > > I think Bulova owned WCOP, not WHIL. WCOP was later sold to > Plough, > the pharmaceutical company. I don't know who owned WHIL, > but I > remember it being a classy little station. > > As far as I know, WHIL was owned by Sherwood "Woody" Tarlow, a former > judge and a somewhat controversial figure in Boston politics. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 23 02:57:56 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:57:56 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> On 7/23/2011 1:27 AM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > When I was a junior program assistant/announcer trainee at WCOP in the 1947-50 era, the station was owned by Plough, Inc. > Yes. WCOP had an interesting history. As Garrett noted, the CP said the calls were supposed to be WMFH but Joseph Kirby had trouble with the financing, plus he was in poor health, and by the time the station got on the air, he was either dead or at death's door; the call letters assigned by that time were WCOP, for the Copley Plaza Hotel. Arde Bulova bought it in February 1937, from Mr Kirby's widow. Bulova owned it till October 1944, when Iowa Broadcasting (later known as Cowles Broadcasting) bought it. But my record differ from yours, Tom. WCOP was sold again several more times-- and yes, Plough absolutely owned it, but I don't have the ownership in the late 1940s-- my records say Plough bought the station after it was briefly owned by the soon to be defunct Boston Post newspaper. Plough purchased it from the Post in May 1956. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 23 10:10:38 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:10:38 -0400 Subject: WCOP References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> 1956 certainly sounds reasonable for when Plough acquired WCOP, though I think it could have been a couple of years earlier. IIRC, Plough (or at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical company) was headquartered in Atlanta, where the O&O was WPLO (AM 590, IIRC). Another Plough station was WMPS 680 Menphis. There were more than three stations but I am drawing a blank on the others. Quite possibly, one of them was WJJD 1160 in Chicago (then a limited-time station, albeit one that ran 50 kW, but it had to sign off at sunset in Salt Lake City). Plough might also have owned 1150 in Los Angeles, but that's a pure guess on my part. Still, I think the group consisted of five stations and all were programmed alike--very tightly formatted top-40 with just the slightest whiff of personality DJs. Except for the call letters, all of the Plough stations used the same jingle package. Interestingly, one of WCOP's DJs was Bill Marlowe--before he got the m-u-s-i-c not n-o-i-s-e religion. In an ugly episode that probably helped Marlowe to change musical religions, he hosted a record hop in MIT's Rockwell Cage. Before the show, he exhorted his hoodlum listeners to turn out en masse and also exhorted them to "wear a tie; look collegiate." An ugly rumble ensued, in which an MIT sudent was killed. I'm pretty sure that all of this happened before I got to Cambridge in June of 1956, but people were still talking about it after I arrived. Around that time, WBZ switched from a mostly network format to locally programmed MOR. I think the DJs were collectively called the Live Five and, IIRC, they consisted of De Suze in AM drive, Maynard 9:00AM to 11:00AM, Marlowe 1:00PM to 3:00PM, Prescott PM drive, John Bassett 6:00PM to 8:00PM. Leo Egan (best known as a news guy), held down a DJ slot, I believe from 11:00AM to 1:00PM. I remember a little of his theme jingle, which began with "Here comes that Irish fella." Note that I have listed six members of the Live Five, so my memory is clearly not completely accurate. Anyhow, after Bassett, I've lost track. At 'BZ, Marlow played m-u-s-i-c and made much of it, but he didn't stay long at BZ. (Who could stand working with him?) IIRC, his next stop was either WHN in its beautiful music incarnation or WNAC. At WNAC, he hosted the evening show, Music from Studio X, which Gereral Tire had imported from co-owned WOR. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Thomas Heathwood" Cc: "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:57 AM Subject: Re: WCOP > On 7/23/2011 1:27 AM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: >> When I was a junior program assistant/announcer trainee at WCOP in >> the 1947-50 era, the station was owned by Plough, Inc. >> > > Yes. WCOP had an interesting history. As Garrett noted, the CP > said the calls were supposed to be WMFH but Joseph Kirby had trouble > with the financing, plus he was in poor health, and by the time the > station got on the air, he was either dead or at death's door; the > call letters assigned by that time were WCOP, for the Copley Plaza > Hotel. Arde Bulova bought it in February 1937, from Mr Kirby's > widow. Bulova owned it till October 1944, when Iowa Broadcasting > (later known as Cowles Broadcasting) bought it. > > But my record differ from yours, Tom. WCOP was sold again several > more times-- and yes, Plough absolutely owned it, but I don't have > the ownership in the late 1940s-- my records say Plough bought the > station after it was briefly owned by the soon to be defunct Boston > Post newspaper. Plough purchased it from the Post in May 1956. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 23 10:49:16 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:49:16 -0400 Subject: Congrats to the 2011 Mass Broadcasters Hall of Fame class Message-ID: http://www.massbroadcastershof.org/news.htm Eddie Andelman Charles Austin Jack Chase Sherm Feller Dick Flavin Natalie Jacobson Anthony LaCamera Paul LaCamera Tom & Ray Magliozzi Edwin Martin Tom McAuliffe Ken Meyer Mary Richardson John Shepard, III Eunice Randall Thompson long overdue for many on the list. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 23 12:23:34 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:23:34 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E2AF586.6070104@donnahalper.com> On 7/23/2011 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > 1956 certainly sounds reasonable for when Plough acquired WCOP, though > I think it could have been a couple of years earlier. IIRC, Plough (or > at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical > company) was headquartered in Atlanta, where the O&O was WPLO (AM 590, > IIRC). Another Plough station was WMPS 680 Menphis. There were more > than three stations but I am drawing a blank on the others. Among the stations Plough owned were WPLO in Atlanta, WCAO in Baltimore, WJJD in Chicago, the aforementioned WMPS in Memphis and WCOP in Boston. In the mid-1940s, all the magazines (I'm looking at two 1946 issues of Billboard right now) said WCOP was owned by Cowles Broadcasting. Then, several of the Cowles guys then formed their own group in 1951, and according to Billboard, sought to buy WCOP themselves. The three guys in question already operated a station in Nashville. But WCOP was not owned by Plough yet. The most visible executive at WCOP in the late 1940s and early 50s was Craig Lawrence, and when the media quoted him, they always said he worked for Cowles. Cowles was a Des Moines IA based company, as I mentioned in a previous posting, and they owned newspapers. They bought WCOP officially in June 1944, paying Bullova and La Fount $225,000 according to Billboard. Cowles, which also owned Look magazine, purchased WHOM in New Jersey around the same time. And as I said in my earlier posting, when the now-defunct Boston Post bought the station briefly in late March 1954, all the newspapers and magazines noted that it was owned by the three guys from Cowles. I truly cannot find any newspaper or magazine that places Plough as owners of WCOP in the late 40s or early 50s. The earliest I find is in fact 1956. And while I was taking my own little trip down memory lane to research some of this stuff, do any of you recall a Boston disc jockey of the early to mid 1950s named Larry Welch-- he worked at WCOP and WORL and used the name "Voice of the Turtle," if I recall (I was really young when this was happening). From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 23 12:34:37 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:34:37 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2AF586.6070104@donnahalper.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><4E2AF586.6070104@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <1689430422-1311438878-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1135817043-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Fred Cusick in his memoir detailed life at WCOP when he worked there after WW2 before leaving for a better offer at the new WVOM. He pointed out that most radios built before the war could not tune in 1600. -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:23:34 To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest; Thomas Heathwood Subject: Re: WCOP On 7/23/2011 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > 1956 certainly sounds reasonable for when Plough acquired WCOP, though > I think it could have been a couple of years earlier. IIRC, Plough (or > at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical > company) was headquartered in Atlanta, where the O&O was WPLO (AM 590, > IIRC). Another Plough station was WMPS 680 Menphis. There were more > than three stations but I am drawing a blank on the others. Among the stations Plough owned were WPLO in Atlanta, WCAO in Baltimore, WJJD in Chicago, the aforementioned WMPS in Memphis and WCOP in Boston. In the mid-1940s, all the magazines (I'm looking at two 1946 issues of Billboard right now) said WCOP was owned by Cowles Broadcasting. Then, several of the Cowles guys then formed their own group in 1951, and according to Billboard, sought to buy WCOP themselves. The three guys in question already operated a station in Nashville. But WCOP was not owned by Plough yet. The most visible executive at WCOP in the late 1940s and early 50s was Craig Lawrence, and when the media quoted him, they always said he worked for Cowles. Cowles was a Des Moines IA based company, as I mentioned in a previous posting, and they owned newspapers. They bought WCOP officially in June 1944, paying Bullova and La Fount $225,000 according to Billboard. Cowles, which also owned Look magazine, purchased WHOM in New Jersey around the same time. And as I said in my earlier posting, when the now-defunct Boston Post bought the station briefly in late March 1954, all the newspapers and magazines noted that it was owned by the three guys from Cowles. I truly cannot find any newspaper or magazine that places Plough as owners of WCOP in the late 40s or early 50s. The earliest I find is in fact 1956. And while I was taking my own little trip down memory lane to research some of this stuff, do any of you recall a Boston disc jockey of the early to mid 1950s named Larry Welch-- he worked at WCOP and WORL and used the name "Voice of the Turtle," if I recall (I was really young when this was happening). From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 23 12:48:38 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:48:38 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> That makes me curious . . . are there any AM stations in New England whose frequencies lie in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 kHz)? ?I've checked several resources, and can't find any. ? Where are the nearest ones located? ? ?-Doug On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:34:37 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: Fred Cusick in his memoir detailed life at WCOP when he worked there after WW2 before leaving for a better offer at the new WVOM. He pointed out that most radios built before the war could not tune in 1600. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 23 15:48:26 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:48:26 -0400 Subject: Fw: WCOP Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Donna Halper" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: WCOP >I sure do remember Lawrence Raymond Welch--but mostly from WMEX. >Can't > recall when he was there or for how long, but he was there. I > believe > his next stop was WORL. He was a very talented guy and he had been > in > Boston before WMEX--although I had not heard him then and don't know > at which Boston station(s?) he worked. Although he was, from all > reports, a kind and decent family man (he often brought his kids to > work and had them on the air), he had a serious drinking problem and > had left the market to work at what was then--I think--WKBS in > Oyster > Bay LI. I guess Mac Richmond rescued him from that 250W daytimer > (which I believe subsequently became religious WTHE Mineola--and > that's what I believe it still is). WKBS/WTHE was/is plagued by > WWKB's > killer skywave, which wipes out reception almost entirely during AM > drive and PM drive. Must not have been a lot of fun doing AM drive > on > a station whose signal at that time of day probably didn't quite > reach > the end of the ground radials. For a time, the Long Island station > had > a powerful 10 kW directional signal, but at some point, the station > reduced power, though not all the way back to 250W; it's currently 1 > kW-D/348W-CH. That downgrade made possible the construction of > first-adjacent WDJZ 1530 Bridgeport CT and co-channel WIZZ 1520 > Greenfield MA. Anyhow, Welch left Boston again after WORL--this time > for Florida--and I heard that he had died not long afterward in a > fire > that resulted from his smoking in bed. That was a shame--a big > talent > and a good guy who, because of a personal problem, never really > achieved what he was capable of and died an awful death. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > ; "Thomas Heathwood" > > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: WCOP > > >> On 7/23/2011 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>> 1956 certainly sounds reasonable for when Plough acquired WCOP, >>> though >>> I think it could have been a couple of years earlier. IIRC, Plough >>> (or >>> at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical >>> company) was headquartered in Atlanta, where the O&O was WPLO (AM >>> 590, >>> IIRC). Another Plough station was WMPS 680 Menphis. There were >>> more >>> than three stations but I am drawing a blank on the others. >> >> Among the stations Plough owned were WPLO in Atlanta, WCAO in >> Baltimore, WJJD in Chicago, the aforementioned WMPS in Memphis and >> WCOP in Boston. In the mid-1940s, all the magazines (I'm looking >> at two 1946 issues of Billboard right now) said WCOP was owned by >> Cowles Broadcasting. Then, several of the Cowles guys then formed >> their own group in 1951, and according to Billboard, sought to buy >> WCOP themselves. The three guys in question already operated a >> station in Nashville. But WCOP was not owned by Plough yet. The >> most visible executive at WCOP in the late 1940s and early 50s was >> Craig Lawrence, and when the media quoted him, they always said he >> worked for Cowles. Cowles was a Des Moines IA based company, as I >> mentioned in a previous posting, and they owned newspapers. They >> bought WCOP officially in June 1944, paying Bullova and La Fount >> $225,000 according to Billboard. Cowles, which also owned Look >> magazine, purchased WHOM in New Jersey around the same time. And >> as >> I said in my earlier posting, when the now-defunct Boston Post >> bought the station briefly in late March 1954, all the newspapers >> and magazines noted that it was owned by the three guys from >> Cowles. >> I truly cannot find any newspaper or magazine that places Plough as >> owners of WCOP in the late 40s or early 50s. The earliest I find >> is >> in fact 1956. >> >> And while I was taking my own little trip down memory lane to >> research some of this stuff, do any of you recall a Boston disc >> jockey of the early to mid 1950s named Larry Welch-- he worked at >> WCOP and WORL and used the name "Voice of the Turtle," if I recall >> (I was really young when this was happening). > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jul 23 16:07:08 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:07:08 -0400 Subject: WCOP References: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <44A1DF7C3960468BB7E518D11016F15E@SatU205S5044> 1610 to 1700 is the ill-fated so-called eX-band (for eXpanded band). AFAIK, the closest eX-bander to new England is WWRU (not to be confused with WWRV or WWRL). WWRU was, for a while, licensed to Elizabeth NJ, but is now, I think, licensed to Jersey City. It is one of the few eX-banders that is directional at night and that runs more than 1 kW at night. It runs 10 kW-U DA-2 from towers on the site of (but not used by) co-owned WKDM 1380. There was only one eX-bander allocated to New England--1700 in Rochester NH. It was never built. Outside of the unbuilt Rochester NH station, I believe the closest eX-band allocation to New England was in Troy NY. (I don't know the frequency.) It also was never built. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Donna Halper" ; ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Thomas Heathwood" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: WCOP That makes me curious . . . are there any AM stations in New England whose frequencies lie in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 kHz)? I've checked several resources, and can't find any. Where are the nearest ones located? -Doug On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:34:37 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: Fred Cusick in his memoir detailed life at WCOP when he worked there after WW2 before leaving for a better offer at the new WVOM. He pointed out that most radios built before the war could not tune in 1600. > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jul 23 15:57:12 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:57:12 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110723154813.0281b038@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:48 PM 7/23/2011, Doug Drown wrote: >That makes me curious . . . are there any AM stations in New England >whose frequencies lie in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 kHz)? No. >Where are the nearest ones located? WWRU, 1660, Jersey City, NJ; WTTM, 1680, Lindenwold, NJ. There are also a number of applications pending in NY and NJ, and many licensed stations in Canada. Interestingly enough, one licensed station in that part of the band has familiar call letters - WBCN, 1660, Charlotte, NC. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sat Jul 23 18:07:06 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:07:06 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I'm assuming the expansion of the AM band constituted something of a failed experiment. ?Other than the fact that it occurred at roughly the same time as FM's rise to dominance, why was it a failure? ? ?-Doug On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:57:12 -0400, "Dale H. Cook" wrote: At 12:48 PM 7/23/2011, Doug Drown wrote: > > >That makes me curious . . . are there any AM stations in New England > >whose frequencies lie in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 > kHz)? > > No. > > >Where are the nearest ones located? > > WWRU, 1660, Jersey City, NJ; WTTM, 1680, Lindenwold, NJ. There are > also a number of applications pending in NY and NJ, and many licensed > stations in Canada. > > Interestingly enough, one licensed station in that part of the band > has familiar call letters - WBCN, 1660, Charlotte, NC. > > Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 23 18:34:18 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:34:18 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm assuming the expansion of the AM band constituted something of a > failed experiment. ??Other than the fact that it occurred at roughly > the same time as FM's rise to dominance, why was it a failure? ?? > ??-Doug The expanded-band allocations were made on the basis of identifying the stations which, if they moved, would provide the greatest reduction in interference to other stations. This model guaranteed failure, because the stations that would most reduce interference were the ones that had the best signals (for a 5-kW old-style regional channel), because those stations were the oldest ones on the band and interfere with everything on their channel that was built after them, simply as a result of the way the AM band was filled. Most of these stations did not even express an interest in moving to the X-band, and of those that did, very few actually applied for and built their X-band allotments, and of those, very few actually turned off their old "standard band" stations so listeners had no reason to move. It didn't help that many older radios couldn't tune the X-band when the stations first started coming on 15 years ago. Most of the X-banders that have been successful were built under the "WJDM rule" -- a loophole put in by Congress giving an X-band allocation to any daytimer which is the only AM facility licensed to a city of 100,000 or more people. WWRU was one of these. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:10:33 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:10:33 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net><20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <876610344-1311462635-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1424940615-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> So under this rule - Bob would qualify for a x-band for WJIB? -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:34:18 To: Doug Drown Cc: Subject: Re: WCOP < said: > I'm assuming the expansion of the AM band constituted something of a > failed experiment. ??Other than the fact that it occurred at roughly > the same time as FM's rise to dominance, why was it a failure? ?? > ??-Doug The expanded-band allocations were made on the basis of identifying the stations which, if they moved, would provide the greatest reduction in interference to other stations. This model guaranteed failure, because the stations that would most reduce interference were the ones that had the best signals (for a 5-kW old-style regional channel), because those stations were the oldest ones on the band and interfere with everything on their channel that was built after them, simply as a result of the way the AM band was filled. Most of these stations did not even express an interest in moving to the X-band, and of those that did, very few actually applied for and built their X-band allotments, and of those, very few actually turned off their old "standard band" stations so listeners had no reason to move. It didn't help that many older radios couldn't tune the X-band when the stations first started coming on 15 years ago. Most of the X-banders that have been successful were built under the "WJDM rule" -- a loophole put in by Congress giving an X-band allocation to any daytimer which is the only AM facility licensed to a city of 100,000 or more people. WWRU was one of these. -GAWollman From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 23 18:23:09 2011 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:23:09 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > IIRC, Plough (or > at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical > company) was headquartered in Atlanta, WCOP was one of my two most-listened-to stations when I was in the East Campus dorms at MIT '58-'62. (The other was then-WTBS, naturally. WMEX was third because they didn't come in very well a lot of the time.) I have carried with me ever since that "Plough Incorporated" (which was the phrasing I heard over and over on WCOP) was headquartered in Memphis. But I have nothing to back that up except slowly fading half-century-old recollections. Bud Hippisley From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:25:53 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:25:53 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <388406125-1311463554-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-49004971-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> WCOP used to run a ton of Coppertone spots in the summer as that sunscreen was made by Plough. -----Original Message----- From: Cohasset / Hippisley Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:23:09 To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: WCOP On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > IIRC, Plough (or > at least Plough Broadcasting--maybe not the entire pharmaceutical > company) was headquartered in Atlanta, WCOP was one of my two most-listened-to stations when I was in the East Campus dorms at MIT '58-'62. (The other was then-WTBS, naturally. WMEX was third because they didn't come in very well a lot of the time.) I have carried with me ever since that "Plough Incorporated" (which was the phrasing I heard over and over on WCOP) was headquartered in Memphis. But I have nothing to back that up except slowly fading half-century-old recollections. Bud Hippisley From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jul 23 20:20:18 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:20:18 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> On 7/23/2011 6:23 PM, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > > WCOP was one of my two most-listened-to stations when I was in the East Campus dorms at MIT '58-'62. (The other was then-WTBS, naturally. WMEX was third because they didn't come in very well a lot of the time.) > In the mid 50s, WCOP was a well-regarded top-40, and had a great weekly survey. I still have a couple of those surveys lying around somewhere, even after all these years. In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some other jocks I listened to on that station. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jul 23 21:15:03 2011 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:15:03 -0400 Subject: AM Expanded Band In-Reply-To: <876610344-1311462635-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1424940615-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <876610344-1311462635-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1424940615-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20011.29207.391582.845172@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So under this rule - Bob would qualify for a x-band for WJIB? No, I misspoke. I should have said "primary station" sted "AM facility". The prototype was Elizabeth, N.J., where WJDM was the only primary (part 73) station licensed when the loophole was enacted. As other cities have passed the 100,000 population threshold, they have become eligible. It took the FCC so long to promulgate the X-band rules that, by the time they were done, Vallejo, California, had become eligible for an X-band station, which I think may actually have made it on the air first. The 1190 that's now KDYA was the "parent" station. Both WWRU and KDIA were granted CPs on the same day. BTW, *please* do not send mail to boston-radio-interest-bounces. That address goes to an automated script that only reads bounce messages; it has no interest in the mailing-list traffic and anything send there that isn't a bounce message will be discarded. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 23 22:44:57 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:44:57 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4E2B8729.8010301@attorneyross.com> On 7/23/2011 6:23 PM, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > WCOP was one of my two most-listened-to stations when I was in the > East Campus dorms at MIT '58-'62. (The other was then-WTBS, naturally. > WMEX was third because they didn't come in very well a lot of the > time.) I have carried with me ever since that "Plough Incorporated" > (which was the phrasing I heard over and over on WCOP) was > headquartered in Memphis. But I have nothing to back that up except > slowly fading half-century-old recollections. Bud Hippisley I remember the tag, usually sometime around the news, "The Plough, Incorporated stations where you're never more than five minutes away from music!" Once a week, on Sunday night, this wasn't true as WCOP ran a couple of public service programs obtained from WGBH. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 23 22:24:39 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:24:39 -0400 Subject: WHIL--Bob Walsh In-Reply-To: <4E29DDC5.8080906@donnahalper.com> References: <7E0D4A3C095740F3945A94E1C68CFDEB@SatU205S5044> <4E29DDC5.8080906@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E2B8267.2060402@attorneyross.com> On 7/22/2011 4:29 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Back to the old WORL for a minute. It had some beloved personalities, > and in the early to mid 1940s, was known for the "920 Club," 15-minute > blocks of songs by popular artists. Bob Perry was the host. WORL > (both old and new) did not pay talent well-- they got a lot of their > announcers from broadcasting schools like Leland Powers or Cambridge > School of Broadcasting (later Grahm Jr College). The WORL announcer I > remember as a kid was Stan Richards, who came over from WCOP when Alan > Dary left there in 1956. Lots of amazing personalities worked for > WORL in the 50s, as has been noted, including Alan Dary, Norm > Prescott, Dave Maynard, and Norm Tulin. Circa 1957-58, they had a Sunday morning children's hour, which considerately came _after_ and not during WHDH's Children's Playhouse. The show mostly featured various children's records, and I think birthdays. When we first discovered it, it was hosted by "Uncle Norm," then he left the station and it was "Uncle Duane." There was someone else after Uncle Duane, whom I can't remember, and then I stopped listening. You may have some idea who these people were. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 23 22:32:31 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:32:31 -0400 Subject: WHIL In-Reply-To: <20010.21772.326134.419929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4E2A47BA.6080004@donnahalper.com> <20010.21772.326134.419929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E2B843F.6070401@attorneyross.com> On 7/23/2011 12:58 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > WBZ 990 50 kW Hotel Bradford > WBZA 990 1000 W (not clear why both are listed) Hotel Bradford Maybe because they got the new listing for WBZ and didn't know enough to delete the old listing for WBZA. Remember when Bob went through some obsolete radio station listings in the phone book? I've also seen some lawyers continuing to be listed in the Massachusetts Lawyers Diary long after their deaths. Somehow listings take on a life of their own. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jul 23 22:35:48 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:35:48 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E2B8504.7060808@attorneyross.com> On 7/23/2011 2:57 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > But my record differ from yours, Tom. WCOP was sold again several > more times-- and yes, Plough absolutely owned it, but I don't have the > ownership in the late 1940s-- my records say Plough bought the station > after it was briefly owned by the soon to be defunct Boston Post > newspaper. Plough purchased it from the Post in May 1956. I think that would have been when WCOP took on the Top 40 format that I remember, I believe Plough continued to own WCOP and WCOP-FM into the 1970s, when the stations became WACQ and WTTK, until they were sold to one of the Tangers and became WHUE. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Jul 24 00:57:08 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:57:08 -0400 Subject: could News Corp loose the right to broadcast in the US Message-ID: As to the CBS owned 5000 watt WEEI directional signal, one must look back to the size of the Boston market being # 6. The picture changed with the heavy buildup in the western suburbs between 128 and 495 in the early 80?s where before WEEI covered the market very well. It was only in the late 70?s and early 80?s that the sunbelt markets took off and with the 7 market limit suddenly KRLD in Dallas made more sense than WEEI. From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sun Jul 24 00:59:22 2011 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re 1600-1700 Kh In-Reply-To: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <44A1DF7C3960468BB7E518D11016F15E@SatU205S5044> References: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <44A1DF7C3960468BB7E518D11016F15E@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Dan is no doubt right that 1600-1700 kh (then called kc) was not on many AM receivers prior to 1946, but it was on some. I have a PHILCO Model 1938-4 which definitely has a freq, range well beyond 1600 kh. As as child I used to listen to the police calls from New York City and later in Massachusetts in these parameters. Tom Heathwood ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan.Strassberg To: Doug Drown ; Donna Halper ; boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org ; Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Interest ; Thomas Heathwood Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: WCOP 1610 to 1700 is the ill-fated so-called eX-band (for eXpanded band). AFAIK, the closest eX-bander to new England is WWRU (not to be confused with WWRV or WWRL). WWRU was, for a while, licensed to Elizabeth NJ, but is now, I think, licensed to Jersey City. It is one of the few eX-banders that is directional at night and that runs more than 1 kW at night. It runs 10 kW-U DA-2 from towers on the site of (but not used by) co-owned WKDM 1380. There was only one eX-bander allocated to New England--1700 in Rochester NH. It was never built. Outside of the unbuilt Rochester NH station, I believe the closest eX-band allocation to New England was in Troy NY. (I don't know the frequency.) It also was never built. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > To: "Donna Halper" >; >; "Dan.Strassberg" >; "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" >; "Thomas Heathwood" > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: WCOP That makes me curious . . . are there any AM stations in New England whose frequencies lie in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 kHz)? I've checked several resources, and can't find any. Where are the nearest ones located? -Doug On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:34:37 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: Fred Cusick in his memoir detailed life at WCOP when he worked there after WW2 before leaving for a better offer at the new WVOM. He pointed out that most radios built before the war could not tune in 1600. > > From chris2526@comcast.net Sun Jul 24 01:11:18 2011 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 01:11:18 -0400 Subject: WHIL Message-ID: <1A867DA7D78E4059BFDFFF68D258A38B@chrisHP> The pictures of the WNAC Squantum site also include some of the transmitter room and show the transmitter for WNAC as a 5000 watt Western Electric with notes on the back as running at 5000 day ? 1000 night. WAAB was a 1000 watt Western Electric run at 1000 watts day and night. The picture of the Blaw ? Knox diamond shape tower shows that WNAC was series fed at the base insulator and WAAB was shunt fed like the WLLH Lawrence Lingo pole. The WBZ Soldiers Field Rd. tower was also fed this way until a few years back when the tower had a feed skirt added. This type of shunt feed was banned years back because it results in a somewhat directional pattern. WTAM and a WKIP used this method to reduce radiation . From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sun Jul 24 02:25:26 2011 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:25:26 -0400 Subject: Fw: WCOP Ownership dates. Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Heathwood To: Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:17 AM Subject: Re: WCOP Ownership dates. ? Hi Donna - Well you must be right about Cowles/Plough. It is possible that, at this point, I am juggling my later days re: WCOP (early 50's w/Nelson Bragg and Hayloft Jamboree) with my 1940's remembrances. It seemed so firmly imprinted in my mind, it made me feel sure of the Plough ownership. Thanks for the additional information. From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 02:53:59 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:53:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <16563399.1311490439455.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:48:38 -0400 >From: >To: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: WCOP > >That makes me curious . . . are there any AM >stations in New England whose frequencies lie >in the upper end of the AM band (1610 to 1700 >kHz)? I've checked several resources and can't >find any. Where are the nearest ones located? -Doug The Logan Airport TIS is on 1650. I've heard Natick road conditions on 1630. There are also many pirates up there. EP From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 24 03:32:27 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:32:27 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2B88DB.4030002@attorneyross.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> <4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> <4E2B88DB.4030002@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4E2BCA8B.40203@donnahalper.com> Joe Ross said-- > One of them was Paul Knight, who lived in Bedford, and we got him to > host a record hop or two at Bedford High. I think there was also a > Bill Clark. Yes, at one point, Paul Knight did a show called Paul Knight in the All-Night. And yes, there was indeed a Bill Clark at WCOP in the mid-50s. Those were the days of nondescript house-names, when d.j.'s were not allowed to use a name that sounded ethnic. That's why Arnie Ginsburg was so unusual. Everyone else was John Scott or Bill Clark, but Arnie wouldn't change his name. From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sun Jul 24 07:37:19 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 07:37:19 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I don't remember WCOP from its Top 40 days, but I do remember it from the mid-'60s to early '70s when it had a more-or-less full service format and then, IIRC, country. ?It had also picked up the local NBC affiliation after WEZE dropped it. ?Plough owned the station the whole time. ? Why did WEZE leave NBC? ?The station went into oblivion after that. ? ? -Doug On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:32:27 -0400, Donna Halper wrote: Joe Ross said-- > > One of them was Paul Knight, who lived in Bedford, and we got him > to > host a record hop or two at Bedford High. I think there was > also a > Bill Clark. > > Yes, at one point, Paul Knight did a show called Paul Knight in the > All-Night. And yes, there was indeed a Bill Clark at WCOP in the > mid-50s. Those were the days of nondescript house-names, when d.j.'s > were not allowed to use a name that sounded ethnic. That's why Arnie > Ginsburg was so unusual. Everyone else was John Scott or Bill Clark, > but Arnie wouldn't change his name. > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Jul 24 07:52:16 2011 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 07:52:16 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <8CE180F449504AE-774-8818@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> In the 1960-1961 era (my 5th / 6th grades at the Brackett School, Arlington), WCOP was the big favorite for me and many of my classmates. The fact that its 1150 transmitter was on Concord Ave. in Lexington, less than two miles away, no doubt helped since you could hear WCOP on any piece of junk including "rocket radios" - basically very small crystal sets not needing a battery. Kids would clip the "rocket radios" to metal classroom desks and sneak-listen to WCOP with the tiny earphone. Bob Wilson of later sportscasting fame was one of the WCOP jocks. Paul Koss, Dex Card (an obviously fake name that appeared on other stations), and Pat Patterson were some of the other DJ's. WCOP's after-school personality Eddy Mitchell was, by far, the one best known to the kids. He had a zany approach and dropped in clips from comedy records (such as Stan Freberg and Spike Jones) and sometimes "killed" (slowed down until the record stopped) songs that were terminally sappy / silly such as "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll, one of those tragedy genre songs in which Cathy is out walking with her fiance Jimmy Love and he gets killed by lightning just before the wedding. In Arlington and Belmont, Mitchell's show was even more popular than WMEX's Woo Woo Ginsburg later at night. Mitchell made public appearances in a VW Karmann Ghia convertible with WCOP lettering all over it. On a hot summer day in 1961, Mitchell took his road show near the Filene's store and bus stop in Belmont Center. Pre-teen kids went crazy as Mitchell launched 45's frisbee-style into the assembled crowd. These were generally "dog" records for which the station had no further use. Still it was fun to be there. WCOP's southern ownership roots showed as their Top 40 mix was more generously sprinked with country than on competitors WMEX, WHIL, and WBZ. 1961 was a legendary year for country anyway and WCOP would never let you down if you wanted some Patsy Cline, Don Gibson, Marty Robbins, Faron Young, Leroy VanDyke, Jimmy Dean as well as "almost country" Brenda Lee, Johnny Tillotson, Everly Bros., Wanda Jackson. As many know, after a dull MoR period (about 1962 to 1967), WCOP became a very good full-fledged country station by the late '60s. Much later the 1150 frequency in Boston became a sort of laughing stock as different call letters and formats were being rotated through at a furious pace. The last time I paid the station much attention is when it took the WMEX call a few years in the '80s with a decent oldies format. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA + South Yarmouth, MA << WCOP was one of my two most-listened-to stations when I was in the East Campus dorms at MIT '58-'62. (The other was then-WTBS, naturally. WMEX was third because they didn't come in very well a lot of the time.) I have carried with me ever since that "Plough Incorporated" (which was the phrasing I heard over and over on WCOP) was headquartered in Memphis. But I have nothing to back that up except slowly fading half-century-old recollections. Bud Hippisley >> From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 07:45:57 2011 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:45:57 +0000 Subject: WQBQ732 (Was: WCOP) Message-ID: <4E2C05F5.1090006@Gmail.com> Eli Polonsky wrote, > The Logan Airport TIS is on 1650. Speaking of which.... They were off for a few days, came back on for a day or two, off again for a day or two and now??since Wednesday??have been carrying NOAA's NWS feed! ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 09:42:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:42:30 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <1819090985-1311514952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-540410719-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> My braincells tell me WCOP dropped Top 40 late 1961 or early 62. WMEX had one signal advantage at night and that was the north shore above Revere as WCOP just vanished. WCOP used to have the Pepsi Dance Party every Saturday from the Eliot Ballroom in Porter Sq hosted by Ken Carter who would later buy WORL 950. In the early 70's WEZE went Top 40 and hired several former WRKO jocks (Gary Martin) WCOP in 1977 became WACQ and went Top 40 for 18 months and introduced Paul Harvey to a younger audience. A decade later it became WMEX for a short while doing oldies. -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Drown" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 07:37:19 To: A Joseph Ross; Boston Radio; Donna Halper Subject: Re: WCOP I don't remember WCOP from its Top 40 days, but I do remember it from the mid-'60s to early '70s when it had a more-or-less full service format and then, IIRC, country. ?It had also picked up the local NBC affiliation after WEZE dropped it. ?Plough owned the station the whole time. ? Why did WEZE leave NBC? ?The station went into oblivion after that. ? ? -Doug On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:32:27 -0400, Donna Halper wrote: Joe Ross said-- > > One of them was Paul Knight, who lived in Bedford, and we got him > to > host a record hop or two at Bedford High. I think there was > also a > Bill Clark. > > Yes, at one point, Paul Knight did a show called Paul Knight in the > All-Night. And yes, there was indeed a Bill Clark at WCOP in the > mid-50s. Those were the days of nondescript house-names, when d.j.'s > were not allowed to use a name that sounded ethnic. That's why Arnie > Ginsburg was so unusual. Everyone else was John Scott or Bill Clark, > but Arnie wouldn't change his name. > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 24 10:56:20 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:56:20 -0400 Subject: WHIL References: <4E2A47BA.6080004@donnahalper.com><20010.21772.326134.419929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4E2B843F.6070401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <880D75B496274AFD832DED3D51AC400C@SatU205S5044> Even though WBZA was synchroed with WBZ and was therefore a 100% simulcast of WBZ, it DID retain separate studios in Springfield and, I believe, DID originate some programming (maybe 30 minutes per week) from them. That programming was (obviously) carried on both WBZ and WBZA. WBZA's Springfield studios were in, I believe, the Hotel Kimball in Springfield. I believe that the building that housed the Hotel Kimball still exists, although it is no longer a hotel. I believe it has been converted into condos that are occupied by senior citizens. IIRC, a year or two ago, the developers devoted some effort and $$$ to attract people from Boston to buy condos in the building on the basis that the cost of equivalent condos in Boston was many times as great. One of the pitches was that they had managed to secure the parking lot to the extent that car thefts and break-ins had become relatively rare occurrences(!) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:32 PM Subject: Re: WHIL > On 7/23/2011 12:58 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > >> WBZ 990 50 kW Hotel Bradford >> WBZA 990 1000 W (not clear why both are listed) Hotel Bradford > > Maybe because they got the new listing for WBZ and didn't know > enough to delete the old listing for WBZA. Remember when Bob went > through some obsolete radio station listings in the phone book? > I've also seen some lawyers continuing to be listed in the > Massachusetts Lawyers Diary long after their deaths. Somehow > listings take on a life of their own. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 24 11:17:45 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:17:45 -0400 Subject: Fw: WCOP Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: WCOP > WCOP was (and WWDJ still is) nulled at night toward CHSJ St John NS, > which must have left 1150 (for 700) 30 years ago, and has now left > 700 > for FM (probably more than five years ago). Communities on the North > Shore lie in this null. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" ; > ; "A Joseph > Ross" ; "Boston Radio" > ; "Donna Halper" > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: WCOP > >> WMEX had one signal advantage at night and that was the north shore >> above Revere as WCOP just vanished. > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 11:39:53 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:39:53 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I can recall WCOP was very popular with teens in Newton and Waltham at night - WMEX had issues :) I lived in Cambridge and my Mom used to put the phone up to the radio so her sister could hear Jerry Williams in West Newton. I am guessing COP decided that going MOR and running NBC's Monitor made more sense for them with the bottom line. WEZE at the time had become #1 in Boston with the beautiful music format. They would remain king until WJIB blew them away around 1967. I am guessing WEZE did not want to run Monitor and NBC went shopping and found WCOP. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:17:45 To: Boston Radio Interest Reply-To: "Dan.Strassberg" Subject: Fw: WCOP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: WCOP > WCOP was (and WWDJ still is) nulled at night toward CHSJ St John NS, > which must have left 1150 (for 700) 30 years ago, and has now left > 700 > for FM (probably more than five years ago). Communities on the North > Shore lie in this null. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" ; > ; "A Joseph > Ross" ; "Boston Radio" > ; "Donna Halper" > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: WCOP > >> WMEX had one signal advantage at night and that was the north shore >> above Revere as WCOP just vanished. > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jul 24 12:55:33 2011 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:55:33 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20110723180706.78zwf82sw8o8w8sk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20011.19562.521598.226335@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4E2C4E85.7030503@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > The expanded-band allocations were made on the basis of identifying > the stations which, if they moved, would provide the greatest > reduction in interference to other stations. Which, incidentally, goes a long way toward explaining why the northeast in general and New England in particular drew so little in the way of X-band allocations. Being on the edge of the country, few New England stations on regional channels are major contributors to interference to stations elsewhere. I'm surprised 930 in Rochester qualified; it's easier to see how 980 in Troy did, given the interference it generates to stations such as WCAP and WTEM (WRC). > Most of the X-banders that have been successful were built under the > "WJDM rule" -- a loophole put in by Congress giving an X-band > allocation to any daytimer which is the only AM facility licensed to a > city of 100,000 or more people. WWRU was one of these. I believe that loophole actually specified "only broadcast facility," which might explain why WJIB couldn't use it - WMBR and WHRB, as well as WLVI, also being licensed to Cambridge. (I believe, also, that the loophole has since been closed; I had an idea a few years back about how it might have been exploited in another location and found it wasn't workable.) s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 13:20:24 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:20:24 -0400 Subject: WQBQ732 (Was: WCOP) In-Reply-To: <4E2C05F5.1090006@Gmail.com> References: <4E2C05F5.1090006@Gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a temporary TIS on 1700 kHz just off I-93 (Andover, nr jct of I-495?, and maybe in other places, talking about construction on I-93 down in Medford). When you're on I-495 north and move on to I-93 south, you see signs telling you to tune to 1700 AM for traffic/construction info. I did so...and found that the 1700 was fighting it out with a _pirate_ on the same frequency. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 13:52:20 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:52:20 +0000 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <1181742165-1311529942-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-374632345-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> When I went to Expo 67 in Montreal I was surprised to find both WMEX and WRKO were popular with anglo teens - CFOX had major signal problems at night and CKGM had yet to take over Top 40. WPTR was perhaps the favorite as a popular CFOX jock moved to Albany (the late Roger Scott) to try to capture the Montreal teen market. Back then Montreal still had a strong anglo population. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jul 24 13:41:23 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:41:23 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> On 7/24/2011 11:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I can recall WCOP was very popular with teens in Newton and Waltham at night - WMEX had issues :) > Yeah at night, you could get WMEX in Gander. Newfoundland. Arnie Ginsburg used to joke about that all the time. So, thanks to my old friend Bill Buchanan, former radio editor at several Boston newspapers, I have a March 1957 listing of all the major announcers at the Boston stations, plus the stations near enough to be considered part of the Boston market. Back then, disc jockeys still could choose some of their own songs, so the record promoters worked the most popular jocks individually. See if these names ring any bells (some we have already discussed). My apologies for any egregious typos; also, there is a page 2 of the memo, with stations like WJDA in Quincy and WLLH in Lowell, but I need to find it, so let me start with these: WHIL: Bob Walsh, George Fennell, Jim Aylward WLYN: Hank Forbes, Jack Chadderton, Johnny Towne WMEX: (this was before they went top-40) Jay McMaster, Al Burns, Joe Grant, Dave Tucker WCOP: Jim Dixon, John Scott, Bill Clark, Tom Evans WEEI: Tom Russell, Bill Hanson, Wally O'Hara, Howard Nelson, Jerry Howard WVDA: Joe Smith, Sherm Feller, Earl Gynan, Lawrence Q. Lawrence WNAC: Fred Lang, Gus Saunders, Bill Hahn, Vin Maloney WTAO: Perry J. Brown, Bob Mehrman, Ed Penney, Ken Wayne, Billy Dale WORL: Dave Maynard, Stan Richards, Greg Finn, Norm Tulin, Hank Elliott WBMS (later WILD): Ken Malden, Symphony Sid, Gretchen Jackson, Sabby Lewis, Steve James WHDH: Bob Clayton, Roy Leonard, Bill Harrington, Don Gillis, Fred B. Cole, John McLellan WBOS: Truman Tayler, Arnie Ginsburg, Don Sherman WBZ: Norm Prescott, Alan Dary, Carl deSuze, Bill Marlowe, John Bassett (known on air as the "Live Five" to promote that WBZ had broken away from NBC syndicated programming in mid 1956, and was now live and local) From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Jul 24 15:27:45 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:27:45 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724151915.0292c308@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:41 PM 7/24/2011, Donna Halper wrote: See if these names ring any bells >George Fennell I would consider George a legendary Boston broadcaster. Two decades later I used to watch Five All Night. >Wally O'Hara There's a name I don't hear much. Wally was an instructor at the Northeast School of Broadcasting when I was student there in 1972-73. >Dave Maynard Who knew then where he would end up doing morning drive. >Arnie Ginsburg The only Boston DJ (AFAIK) who had an album in the "Cruisin" series. >Carl deSuze I remember hearing that DeSuze at first refused to play Elvis, but changed his mind after management made it plain that either he would play Elvis or they would hire someone else who would. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From sid@wrko.com Sun Jul 24 15:23:10 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:23:10 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> <4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some other jocks I listened to on that station." Joel Cash also worked there, but I think that was probably later...early 60's. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jul 24 19:28:42 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:28:42 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net><4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <1525084382-1311550124-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-148776021-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I may be wrong but didn't Joel Cash briefly take over for Dick Summer at WBZ before he went to WRKO? Pretty certain Joel was at WEZE in 72-73 in their brief Top 40 days before finding gold in religion. -----Original Message----- From: Sid Schweiger Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:23:10 To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: RE: WCOP "In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some other jocks I listened to on that station." Joel Cash also worked there, but I think that was probably later...early 60's. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net Sun Jul 24 21:15:04 2011 From: vzeej5wn@myfairpoint.net (=?utf-8?b?RG91ZyBEcm93bg==?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:15:04 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <20110724211504.s718oalixw0c8k4g@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Joel was at WORC for a brief time after leaving WPOP and before joining WRKO. ?He did the mid-morning show with Bob Bryar, occupying Johnny Gardner (John H.)'s former post when John moved to WMEX. ?I can't remember exactly when it was --- 1964-65 or thereabouts. ?He was there for perhaps four months. ?And IIRC correctly, you're right, Sid, he worked briefly at 'BZ as well. ?It was a very short stint. ? ?-Doug On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:28:42 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: I may be wrong but didn't Joel Cash briefly take over for Dick Summer at WBZ before he went to WRKO? > > Pretty certain Joel was at WEZE in 72-73 in their brief Top 40 days > before finding gold in religion. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sid Schweiger > Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: > Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:23:10 To: Boston Radio > Interest > Subject: RE: WCOP > > "In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in > real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some > other jocks I listened to on that station." > > Joel Cash also worked there, but I think that was probably > later...early 60's. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:12:21 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:12:21 -0400 Subject: Re 1600-1700 Kh In-Reply-To: References: <20110723124838.4a1qigubr4kkos4k@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <44A1DF7C3960468BB7E518D11016F15E@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E2CDF15.8090509@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 12:59 AM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > Dan is no doubt right that 1600-1700 kh (then called kc) was not on many AM > receivers prior to 1946, but it was on some. I have a PHILCO Model 1938-4 which definitely has a freq, range well beyond 1600 kh. As as child I used to listen to the police calls from New York City and later in Massachusetts in these parameters. > Tom Heathwood I thought it was just the opposite, that it WAS on most radios prior to 1946, but not later, as the police moved to other frequencies. I have an old 1930s radio that goes up to 1700, and I remember having an old radio in the 1950s that did. It had the number "170" in smaller type, with the word "police" under it. But I never heard anything but static at that part of the band. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:13:29 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:13:29 -0400 Subject: Fw: WCOP Ownership dates. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E2CDF59.1060904@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 2:25 AM, Thomas Heathwood wrote: > ?Hi Donna - Well you must be right about Cowles/Plough. It is possible that, at this point, I am juggling my later days re: WCOP (early 50's w/Nelson Bragg and Hayloft Jamboree) with my 1940's remembrances. It seemed so firmly imprinted in my mind, it made me feel sure of the Plough ownership. Thanks for the additional information. The memory is the second thing to go. I forget what the first is. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:26:54 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:26:54 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4E2CE27E.7040203@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 7:37 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > I don't remember WCOP from its Top 40 days, but I do remember it from > the mid-'60s to early '70s when it had a more-or-less full service > format and then, IIRC, country. It had also picked up the local NBC > affiliation after WEZE dropped it. Plough owned the station the whole > time. > > Why did WEZE leave NBC? The station went into oblivion after that. > -Doug I recall that WEZE left NBC in two stages. The first stage, I think only a year or two after it affiliated with NBC, they dropped almost all NBC programming except the news on the hour. That included most of Monitor, though for some reason they continued to run Groucho Marx's quiz show "You Bet Your Life," although I think by that time most people watched Groucho on television. The second stage, a number of years later, was when it dropped the rest of the NBC programming. As for why, one can only speculate. According to the book /Say Goodnight, Gracie: The Last Years of Network Radio/, by Jim Cox (and not to be confused with another book of the same title about Burns and Allen), the networks in a way killed themselves by changing affiliate compensation so that it was much more lucrative for stations to run DJs with local ads than to carry network programs. A lot of shows that still had good ratings were dropped because of affiliate demands. By the end of the 1950s, WEEI was the only network affiliate in the Boston area that carried much of the network schedule, and that was undoubtedly because it was CBS-owned and operated. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:50:13 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:13 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E2CE7F5.90907@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 11:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am guessing COP decided that going MOR and running NBC's Monitor made more sense for them with the bottom line. But those were two very different decisions at different times. I'm not sure when WCOP became an NBC affiliate, but it was some time after it went MOR in 1962. > WEZE at the time had become #1 in Boston with the beautiful music format. They would remain king until WJIB blew them away around 1967. I am guessing WEZE did not want to run Monitor and NBC went shopping and found WCOP. WEZE stopped running Monitor much earlier, I think around 1960 or thereabouts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:16:11 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:16:11 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2BCA8B.40203@donnahalper.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com> <9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044> <95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net> <4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> <4E2B88DB.4030002@attorneyross.com> <4E2BCA8B.40203@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E2CDFFB.4010909@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 3:32 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Yes, at one point, Paul Knight did a show called Paul Knight in the > All-Night. And yes, there was indeed a Bill Clark at WCOP in the > mid-50s. Those were the days of nondescript house-names, when d.j.'s > were not allowed to use a name that sounded ethnic. That's why Arnie > Ginsburg was so unusual. Everyone else was John Scott or Bill Clark, > but Arnie wouldn't change his name. I remember Paul Knight having two daytime airshifts, one earlier and one later. In those days each DJ had a jingle to open his own show, and Paul Knight had two different ones, one for each shift. And with very little provocation, I can still sing both of them, at least in part. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:39:58 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:39:58 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <8CE180F449504AE-774-8818@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE180F449504AE-774-8818@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4E2CE58E.4000807@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 7:52 AM, Mark Connelly wrote: > In the 1960-1961 era (my 5th / 6th grades at the Brackett School, > Arlington), WCOP was the big favorite for me and many of my > classmates. The fact that its 1150 transmitter was on Concord Ave. in > Lexington, less than two miles away, no doubt helped since you could > hear WCOP on any piece of junk including "rocket radios" - basically > very small crystal sets not needing a battery. Kids would clip the > "rocket radios" to metal classroom desks and sneak-listen to WCOP with > the tiny earphone. I also have fond memories of WCOP in those days. I was in 6th grade in May 1957, when my family moved to Bedford, and about to start my senior year in high school when it suddenly switched to an MOR format. In Bedford, too, it was a very strong station, and it was THE station that most of us listened to. The only time I listened to WMEX in those days was on Sunday night, when Arnie Ginsburg played oldies. But nighttime reception of WMEX was difficult, with the signal almost overwhelmed by WKBW in Buffalo. I really began listening to WMEX when WCOP dropped the Top 40 programming, and that was when I discovered WMEX's really great sound. Some years later, while driving at night, I discovered that the WMEX night signal faded as I turned the car off the main road into the side streets that led to our house. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 24 23:46:00 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <1819090985-1311514952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-540410719-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110724073719.fiylhx1iscco040s@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <1819090985-1311514952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-540410719-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E2CE6F8.50809@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 9:42 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > My braincells tell me WCOP dropped Top 40 late 1961 or early 62. I'm pretty sure it was sometime during the summer of 1962. I remember it well. It was between my junior and senior years in high school. My parents had decided to redecorate my room and let me pick the colors, etc. I was using my sister's room while she was at camp, and I remember writing to her to tell her that WCOP had stopped playing rock & roll. She wasn't happy either. And I remember being in her room when I first listened to WMEX's daytime programming, with Fenway (formerly Eddie Mitchell of WCOP), Mel Miller, The Jones Boy, Dan Donovan, and Melvin X. Melvin. Arnie Ginsburg was the only one of these guys that I had heard before. I first heard him on WBOS. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 25 00:01:47 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:01:47 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <4E2CEAAB.3090607@attorneyross.com> On 7/24/2011 1:41 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Yeah at night, you could get WMEX in Gander. Newfoundland. Arnie > Ginsburg used to joke about that all the time. So, thanks to my old > friend Bill Buchanan, former radio editor at several Boston > newspapers, I have a March 1957 listing of all the major announcers at > the Boston stations, plus the stations near enough to be considered > part of the Boston market. Back then, disc jockeys still could choose > some of their own songs, so the record promoters worked the most > popular jocks individually. See if these names ring any bells (some > we have already discussed). My apologies for any egregious typos; > also, there is a page 2 of the memo, with stations like WJDA in Quincy > and WLLH in Lowell, but I need to find it, so let me start with these: I remember Bill Buchanan at the Daily Record, which was one of the newspapers that my mother used to bring home from the hospital where she worked. He was constantly putting down the Top 40 stations. I once called him up at the paper and told him that there were some people who liked that music. He said that I didn't know how it came about that some stations started playing that kind of music and hinted at something sinister, which he wouldn't tell me unless I came to see him in person. I would have liked to, but I had no way of getting in town at that time. > WMEX: (this was before they went top-40) Jay McMaster, Al Burns, Joe > Grant, Dave Tucker I remember a Joe Grant who was the sole announcer on WBZ-FM in the late 1950s, when they did separate programs of classical music from 5:00 PM sign on until midnight. > WCOP: Jim Dixon, John Scott, Bill Clark, Tom Evans I think I remember Jim Dixon on WNAC at some point. I don't remember him on WMEX. I do remember the others. > WNAC: Fred Lang, Gus Saunders, Bill Hahn, Vin Maloney Not Nelson Churchill? I heard him on WNAC at a very young age. When I first heard of Winston Churchill, I thought they were related. > WORL: Dave Maynard, Stan Richards, Greg Finn, Norm Tulin, Hank Elliott This list must be before my family returned to the Boston area. I never heard of Dave Maynard at WORL. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From HeritageRadio@msn.com Mon Jul 25 01:57:48 2011 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:57:48 -0400 Subject: "Jim Dixon" In-Reply-To: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net><4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net><4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com> <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: RE: Sid's question about "Jim Dixon" - Yes, that was Jim Brocaw. Last I heard, he was in a nursing home - anyone have an update? Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: RE: WCOP "In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some other jocks I listened to on that station." Joel Cash also worked there, but I think that was probably later...early 60's. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 07:00:30 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:00:30 +0000 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4E2CE7F5.90907@attorneyross.com> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry><4E2CE7F5.90907@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <629311829-1311591632-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-55055698-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> I do recall WEZE carried the World Series in 1964 - 65 and 66 I was at prep school in RI so I don't know but in 67 the Series was on WCOP. Dom Valentinio and Michael Paige did a call in show after the games. The 1962-3 Dan Donovan at WMEX wound up at WCOP doing country evenings in 68-69 as I met him when I visited the studio in Lexington. He showed me the Gates FM automated carousel and I remember him saying there will be no DJ's in 10 years. -----Original Message----- From: A Joseph Ross Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:13 To: Subject: Re: WCOP On 7/24/2011 11:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am guessing COP decided that going MOR and running NBC's Monitor made more sense for them with the bottom line. But those were two very different decisions at different times. I'm not sure when WCOP became an NBC affiliate, but it was some time after it went MOR in 1962. > WEZE at the time had become #1 in Boston with the beautiful music format. They would remain king until WJIB blew them away around 1967. I am guessing WEZE did not want to run Monitor and NBC went shopping and found WCOP. WEZE stopped running Monitor much earlier, I think around 1960 or thereabouts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 25 08:22:47 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:22:47 -0400 Subject: WCOP References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> <4E2CEAAB.3090607@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <82C5C0CAE48A4549A4B9998B6AE0AF03@SatU205S5044> Maynard absolutely was on WORL along with the others listed. However, Hank Elliot was not on during the winter because he had the 6:00PM to signoff shift. Since WORL was a daytimer, that shift disappeared in months when sunset came at or before 6:00PM local time. In those days, however, the FCC allowed daytimers on regional channels (that is, Class III-D AMs, such as WORL) to sign year round on AT FULL POWER at 4:00AM local standard time--provided that no co-channel station complained about interference.. Since 4:00AM EST was 5:00AM EDT, a Class III-D AM could have uniform full-power sign-on year 'round if it signed on at 5:00AM local time and no co-channel station complained. I believe that WORL chose to sign on at 6:00AM. I also recall that WORL broadcast Cardinal Cushing saying the rosary every morning from 6:15 to 6;30. The rosary broadcast interrupted Greg Finn's AM drive-show just 15 minutes after it started. Later, when the FCC modified its early sign-on policy to allow Class III-D stations to commence pre-sunrise operation at 6:00AM local standard time using a power not exceeding 500W (less, if 500W interfered--even if only on paper--with co-channel stations in other western-hemisphere nations) ,the Archdiocese either moved the rosary broadcasts to WPLM and WPLM-FM or added the Plymouth stations to the network. What I don't remember is what shift Maynard held down at WORL. I think it was 3:00PM to 6:00PM or local sunset, if earlier than 6:00PM. Maynard moved to WBZ very soon (a few months probably) after WBZ switched to non-network programming. Maynard already had a relationship with WBZ; he was already hosting a Sunday AM show on Channel 4. I don't think it was Community Auditions. (Wasn't that hosted by Gene Jones?) But if it wasn't Community Auditions, what was it? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:01 AM Subject: Re: WCOP > >> WORL: Dave Maynard, Stan Richards, Greg Finn, Norm Tulin, Hank >> Elliott > > This list must be before my family returned to the Boston area. I > never heard of Dave Maynard at WORL. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 08:34:43 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:34:43 +0000 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <426524677-1311597284-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958940868-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Gene Jones indeed did Community Auditions. Before CA Dave hosted a record hop on channel 4 in the 50's that was done live from the Totem Pole at Norumbega Park in Newton. That had to be 1957 as it came on before Red Sox games and drove my Dad nuts - channel 5 took over the Sox in 58. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 25 08:29:25 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:29:25 -0400 Subject: "Jim Dixon" References: <20110722133938.iz6cfazaasoo4g0s@webmail.myfairpoint.net><4E2A70F4.5040606@donnahalper.com><9F980DCA80F24330900B2C2AA0837B6F@SatU205S5044><95B4943E-9F6E-42EC-903F-351A0650B6BA@frontiernet.net><4E2B6542.7010601@donnahalper.com><6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18E54B@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: I thought I read (here or somewhere else) a year or two ago, that Jim Dixon had died. I am not sure about that, however. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Heathwood" To: "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Sid Schweiger" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:57 AM Subject: Re: "Jim Dixon" RE: Sid's question about "Jim Dixon" - Yes, that was Jim Brocaw. Last I heard, he was in a nursing home - anyone have an update? Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: RE: WCOP "In 1957, the air staff included Jim Dixon (was he not Jim Brokaw in real life?) and Tom Evans (aka Neil Mack) but I vaguely recall some other jocks I listened to on that station." Joel Cash also worked there, but I think that was probably later...early 60's. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jul 25 08:36:33 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: Small Cities With Class A Signal Message-ID: <00d201cc4ac7$811d4c30$8357e490$@ma@comcast.net> A friend and I were talking the other day about how the "clear channels" were distributed around the country in the 1920s. Some very small cities ended up with Class A stations. For example, Schenectady NY has a population of 66 k (metro population < 1000 k) and has WGY; Waterloo, IA has a population of 68 k (metro population < 200 k) and they have KXEL (Class A, but directional at night). Schenectady obviously owes its good fortune to the fact that General Electric was located there, but how did small cities such as Waterloo IA, Hartford, Des Moines IA, Shreveport LA, Wheeling WV, etc. end up with the Class A's? Was it just because they were first? Or was there a plan to distribute the frequencies so as to cover the country? From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Jul 25 08:43:04 2011 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:43:04 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <82C5C0CAE48A4549A4B9998B6AE0AF03@SatU205S5044> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> <4E2CEAAB.3090607@attorneyross.com> <82C5C0CAE48A4549A4B9998B6AE0AF03@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <00d701cc4ac8$69785470$3c68fd50$@ma@comcast.net> I once won a prize from WORL. They used to do trivia questions on the afternoon show in the 1960s. The question was "who is the premier of China?" Apparently there were so few people listening that I called in at least half an hour later and won! A Kodak camera! I will give them credit: they sent the camera to me in 3 days. I once won a contest on WMEX and had to traipse in by subway from Meffa to the Brookline Avenue studios to pick up the prize (which didn't work, whatever it was...haha). -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:23 AM To: A Joseph Ross Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: WCOP Maynard absolutely was on WORL along with the others listed. However, Hank Elliot was not on during the winter because he had the 6:00PM to signoff shift. Since WORL was a daytimer, that shift disappeared in months when sunset came at or before 6:00PM local time. In those days, however, the FCC allowed daytimers on regional channels (that is, Class III-D AMs, such as WORL) to sign year round on AT FULL POWER at 4:00AM local standard time--provided that no co-channel station complained about interference.. Since 4:00AM EST was 5:00AM EDT, a Class III-D AM could have uniform full-power sign-on year 'round if it signed on at 5:00AM local time and no co-channel station complained. I believe that WORL chose to sign on at 6:00AM. I also recall that WORL broadcast Cardinal Cushing saying the rosary every morning from 6:15 to 6;30. The rosary broadcast interrupted Greg Finn's AM drive-show just 15 minutes after it started. Later, when the FCC modified its early sign-on policy to allow Class III-D stations to commence pre-sunrise operation at 6:00AM local standard time using a power not exceeding 500W (less, if 500W interfered--even if only on paper--with co-channel stations in other western-hemisphere nations) ,the Archdiocese either moved the rosary broadcasts to WPLM and WPLM-FM or added the Plymouth stations to the network. What I don't remember is what shift Maynard held down at WORL. I think it was 3:00PM to 6:00PM or local sunset, if earlier than 6:00PM. Maynard moved to WBZ very soon (a few months probably) after WBZ switched to non-network programming. Maynard already had a relationship with WBZ; he was already hosting a Sunday AM show on Channel 4. I don't think it was Community Auditions. (Wasn't that hosted by Gene Jones?) But if it wasn't Community Auditions, what was it? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Chris Hall" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:01 AM Subject: Re: WCOP > >> WORL: Dave Maynard, Stan Richards, Greg Finn, Norm Tulin, Hank >> Elliott > > This list must be before my family returned to the Boston area. I > never heard of Dave Maynard at WORL. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > From sid@wrko.com Mon Jul 25 09:21:50 2011 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:21:50 +0000 Subject: Small Cities With Class A Signal In-Reply-To: <00d201cc4ac7$811d4c30$8357e490$@ma@comcast.net> References: <00d201cc4ac7$811d4c30$8357e490$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6D618EE163582E43B00A6455F34B29EA18ECCD@ENTCOREXMB04.etmcorad.com> "A friend and I were talking the other day about how the "clear channels" were distributed around the country in the 1920s. Some very small cities ended up with Class A stations. For example, Schenectady NY has a population of 66 k (metro population < 1000 k) and has WGY; Waterloo, IA has a population of 68 k (metro population < 200 k) and they have KXEL (Class A, but directional at night). Schenectady obviously owes its good fortune to the fact that General Electric was located there, but how did small cities such as Waterloo IA, Hartford, Des Moines IA, Shreveport LA, Wheeling WV, etc. end up with the Class A's? Was it just because they were first? Or was there a plan to distribute the frequencies so as to cover the country?" The original plan of radio's first regulator, the Department of Commerce, was that approximately 25 AM stations would be all that were needed to cover the country, so they were placed so as to essentially complement each other's coverage. However, every city and town started demanding its own station, and with the FCC being a creature of Congress and politics they had very little choice but to find a way to accommodate them. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 09:26:35 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:26:35 +0000 Subject: Small Cities With Class A Signal In-Reply-To: <4e2d6a00.0f97640a.6b6e.7fe7SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4e2d6a00.0f97640a.6b6e.7fe7SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <625378597-1311600397-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1834948620-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Boston should have been entitled to a second Class A but I suspect Westinghouse had enough clout to prevent that. Buffalo at the time was considered a major city yet did not land one but smaller Rochester did. WKBW was upgraded later but either WGR or WBEN deserved better. -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Hall" Sender: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.orgDate: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:36:33 To: 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: Small Cities With Class A Signal A friend and I were talking the other day about how the "clear channels" were distributed around the country in the 1920s. Some very small cities ended up with Class A stations. For example, Schenectady NY has a population of 66 k (metro population < 1000 k) and has WGY; Waterloo, IA has a population of 68 k (metro population < 200 k) and they have KXEL (Class A, but directional at night). Schenectady obviously owes its good fortune to the fact that General Electric was located there, but how did small cities such as Waterloo IA, Hartford, Des Moines IA, Shreveport LA, Wheeling WV, etc. end up with the Class A's? Was it just because they were first? Or was there a plan to distribute the frequencies so as to cover the country? From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 25 10:00:12 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:00:12 -0400 Subject: Fw: Small Cities With Class A Signal Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Jim Hall" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Small Cities With Class A Signal >I think the smallest city with a Class A AM is Little Rock AR (KAAY). > If I'm not mistaken, Little Rock was also the last city in the 48 > contiguous states to be granted a Class A. (Actually, at the time of > the grant, the AR station's class became I-B.) I believe the grant > was > due to the intercession of Arkansas Senator Fulbright, a very > influential and very conservative, old-style southern Democrat > (strongly pro-segregation). What is now KAAY, had been Class II KTHS > and was licensed to Hot Springs AR. It was moved to Little Rock and > upgraded to Class I-B sometime in the '50s, I believe. Around the > same > time, WQXR in New York City was granted Class I-B status. There > might > have been some tit-for-tat horse trading with Sen Fulbright to pull > that off. New York State already had WKBW, WHAM, WGY, WEAF, WOR, > WJZ, > the old WABC (880), and WNEW, although, at the time of the grant, > some > of those probably already had had newer calls than the ones I > listed. > > Interestingly, KAAY and WNEW initially were the only Class I-Bs that > were on channels that already were home to two other North American > Class I-Bs: 1090 had WBAL and XEPRS; 1130 had KWKH and CKWX. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Hall" > To: "'Boston Radio Interest'" > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:36 AM > Subject: Small Cities With Class A Signal > > >>A friend and I were talking the other day about how the "clear >>channels" >> were distributed around the country in the 1920s. Some very small >> cities >> ended up with Class A stations. For example, Schenectady NY has a >> population >> of 66 k (metro population < 1000 k) and has WGY; Waterloo, IA has a >> population of 68 k (metro population < 200 k) and they have KXEL >> (Class A, >> but directional at night). Schenectady obviously owes its good >> fortune to >> the fact that General Electric was located there, but how did small >> cities >> such as Waterloo IA, Hartford, Des Moines IA, Shreveport LA, >> Wheeling WV, >> etc. end up with the Class A's? Was it just because they were >> first? >> Or was >> there a plan to distribute the frequencies so as to cover the >> country? >> > From map@mapinternet.com Mon Jul 25 09:09:42 2011 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:09:42 -0400 Subject: WBZ-WBZA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> Anyone know what year WBZ and WBZA swapped calls between Springfield and Boston? Mark Casey Even though WBZA was synchroed with WBZ and was therefore a 100% simulcast of WBZ, it DID retain separate studios in Springfield and, I believe, DID originate some programming (maybe 30 minutes per week) from them. That programming was (obviously) carried on both WBZ and WBZA. WBZA's Springfield studios were in, I believe, the Hotel Kimball in Springfield. I believe that the building that housed the Hotel Kimball still exists, although it is no longer a hotel. I believe it has been converted into condos that are occupied by senior citizens. IIRC, a year or two ago, the developers devoted some effort and $$$ to attract people from Boston to buy condos in the building on the basis that the cost of equivalent condos in Boston was many times as great. One of the pitches was that they had managed to secure the parking lot to the extent that car thefts and break-ins had become relatively rare occurrences(!) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Jul 25 10:20:09 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:20:09 -0400 Subject: WBZ-WBZA In-Reply-To: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> References: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Mark Casey wrote: > Anyone know what year WBZ and WBZA swapped calls between Springfield and > Boston? > Mark Casey > > > > > Wikipedia says 1931 From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jul 25 10:57:43 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:57:43 -0400 Subject: WBZ-WBZA In-Reply-To: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> References: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110725105538.0281d280@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:09 AM 7/25/2011, Mark Casey wrote: >Anyone know what year WBZ and WBZA swapped calls between Springfield and Boston? According to an online article by Doctor Auntie Donna (from the Hammond Museum of Radio site) it was in March of 1931. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From hmglaz@att.net Mon Jul 25 12:01:15 2011 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim Hall wrote: >I once won a prize from WORL. They used to do trivia questions on the >afternoon show in the 1960s. The question was "who is the premier of >China?" Apparently there were so few people listening that I called in at >least half an hour later and won! A Kodak camera! I will give them >credit: they sent the camera to me in 3 days. So what was the answer? Liu Shao-chi? I'm pretty sure Mao Tse-tung's title wasn't premier (prime minister); he was the chairman of the Communist Party -- for all we know, those 30 minutes before you called in might have been filled with callers wrongly guessing Mao. My prize haul from radio in the '60s and '70s included several gallons of ice cream, the "30 Now Goldens" album and Elton John's self-titled album (the one with "Your Song") from WRKO, a 20-pound Thanksgiving turkey from WGTR, and tickets to "Live at Passim" and my choice of three albums from a big box of discards from WCAS. That's in chronological order; you can trace my musical evolution in this paragraph! Howard From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Jul 25 13:10:50 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:10:50 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <4e2d6ca5.4205dc0a.2b50.75c9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <1023092651-1311521994-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-433318642-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> <4E2C5943.1050200@donnahalper.com> <4E2CEAAB.3090607@attorneyross.com> <82C5C0CAE48A4549A4B9998B6AE0AF03@SatU205S5044> <4e2d6ca5.4205dc0a.2b50.75c9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My prize history is $600 cash from WVBF, a WFTQ "14Q" tshirt (which required going down to the studios on Front St to retrieve), and a Country 102.5 tshirt. The first one was the most interesting... It worked like this: I had to be the sixteenth caller, or something like that which I was. The DJ asks you a question...mine was "How many radios do you have in your house". Oh gosh, a 14 year old radio nerd. I had AM radios, SW radio, walkie-talkies, you name it. But I answered "six". The DJ then says "OK, you have six radios - we'll give you $100 a piece for them". Clearly, they wait for your answer first then assign a value per unit based on your answer. But the DJ goofed and then asked "Are you sure you have only six". At this point I could have answered something (a lot) higher. But I didn't. [Take foot, kick self hard]. -Bob From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:28:05 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:28:05 -0400 Subject: How I got the broadcasting bug Message-ID: All this talk of radio stations of the past had me thinking about how I got interested in broadcasting when I was young. I first got the 'bug' in 1962 when my family had a cottage in West Yarmouth for a week and being a curious 12 year old I walked a few blocks one Saturday to the studios of WOCB. The person working was quite friendly and showed me the basics ( I had never seen a VU meter before ) and the seed was planted. A few weeks later I visited a Boston station - WBOS which at the time was in a hotel near Kenmore (Somerset?). There a very nice man, Norm Ruby answered every question I had. Norm by the way had a wonderful voice for radio. >From there the field trips continued....one Saturday a year or so later I wandered into the WEEI studios on Tremont St and Jim Westover gave me the cooks tour. the old WEEI studios were certainly a throwback to radio's golden age. The engineers on duty explained to me the CBS NET ALERT system which took up an entire rack in the master control area. A few weeks later I went up the stairs at 70 Brookline Ave and Arnie gave me the tour of WMEX. He could not have been nicer and I was mesmerized watching him do combo complete with the horns and bells. By the time I was 14 I had graduated to television studios. Other kids collected baseball cards, I collected ID slides ( which I still have almost 50 years later). On a trip to Canada I visited CBC in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa and also CFCF-TV in Montreal. Bus trips to WJAR-TV in Providence and WMUR-TV in Manachester also happened that year ( little did i know I would be working at channel 9 just 4 years later) and when my parents visited Maine I added WCSH-TV and WGAN-TV. In 1965 I really went overboard. The airlines had the stand-by youth fare and you could take the shuttle to NY for only $24. In one crazy day I managed to walk into both master control at CBS on 57th St AND ABC on 66th St. Nobody said a word to me ( most likely they thought I was some big shots kid ) That night my Dad knew something was up when I kept saying what network commercial was coming up next - he knew I didn't get that log in Boston. My glass slide ID collection I dug out today - it includes WNAC-TV WBZ-TV WHDH-TV WIHS-TV WMUR-TV WJAR-TV WGAN-TV WCSH-TV WCBS-TV ABC CBS CBMT CBLT (channel 6) WKBW-TV WKTV-TV Utica I am sure others on this list have similar stories. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 25 12:45:16 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:45:16 -0400 Subject: WBZ-WBZA In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110725105538.0281d280@plymouthcolony.net> References: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110725105538.0281d280@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <4E2D9D9C.7010107@donnahalper.com> On 7/25/2011 10:57 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > > According to an online article by Doctor Auntie Donna (from the Hammond Museum of Radio site) it was in March of 1931. > And since that was written, we now know it was a process begun in February of 1931 and finally completed in March. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jul 25 13:10:17 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:10:17 -0400 Subject: WBZ-WBZA In-Reply-To: <4E2D9D9C.7010107@donnahalper.com> References: <6202008AFC7B4D249BA545F54131000F@CASEYPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110725105538.0281d280@plymouthcolony.net> <4E2D9D9C.7010107@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110725125719.0279ff58@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:45 PM 7/25/2011, Donna Halper wrote: >And since that was written, we now know it was a process begun in >February of 1931 and finally completed in March. If you are looking for solid information about Boston radio history (or one of my favorite Canadian bands, Rush), turn to Donna, not Wikipedia. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From paul@derrynh.net Mon Jul 25 13:42:44 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:42:44 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My first prize was "Every Picture Tells A Story" by Rod Stewart, won from WRKO in 1972. -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Howard Glazer Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:01 PM To: aerie.ma@comcast.net ; Boston Radio Subject: Re: WCOP Jim Hall wrote: >I once won a prize from WORL. They used to do trivia questions on the > >afternoon show in the 1960s. The question was "who is the premier of > >China?" Apparently there were so few people listening that I called in at > >least half an hour later and won! A Kodak camera! I will give them > >credit: they sent the camera to me in 3 days. So what was the answer? Liu Shao-chi? I'm pretty sure Mao Tse-tung's title wasn't premier (prime minister); he was the chairman of the Communist Party -- for all we know, those 30 minutes before you called in might have been filled with callers wrongly guessing Mao. My prize haul from radio in the '60s and '70s included several gallons of ice cream, the "30 Now Goldens" album and Elton John's self-titled album (the one with "Your Song") from WRKO, a 20-pound Thanksgiving turkey from WGTR, and tickets to "Live at Passim" and my choice of three albums from a big box of discards from WCAS. That's in chronological order; you can trace my musical evolution in this paragraph! Howard From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jul 25 14:27:19 2011 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:27:19 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: References: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007901cc4af8$804a9ca0$80dfd5e0$@com> Gee, I feel cheated. After a school tour of WMEX in the Broadway days, I came home with a Nikki Hopkins album "The Tin Man Was a Dreamer". It was actually pretty good. I still have it too. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:43 PM To: Howard Glazer; aerie.ma@comcast.net; Boston Radio Subject: Re: WCOP My first prize was "Every Picture Tells A Story" by Rod Stewart, won from WRKO in 1972. -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Howard Glazer Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:01 PM To: aerie.ma@comcast.net ; Boston Radio Subject: Re: WCOP Jim Hall wrote: >I once won a prize from WORL. They used to do trivia questions on the > >afternoon show in the 1960s. The question was "who is the premier of > >China?" Apparently there were so few people listening that I called in at > >least half an hour later and won! A Kodak camera! I will give them > >credit: they sent the camera to me in 3 days. So what was the answer? Liu Shao-chi? I'm pretty sure Mao Tse-tung's title wasn't premier (prime minister); he was the chairman of the Communist Party -- for all we know, those 30 minutes before you called in might have been filled with callers wrongly guessing Mao. My prize haul from radio in the '60s and '70s included several gallons of ice cream, the "30 Now Goldens" album and Elton John's self-titled album (the one with "Your Song") from WRKO, a 20-pound Thanksgiving turkey from WGTR, and tickets to "Live at Passim" and my choice of three albums from a big box of discards from WCAS. That's in chronological order; you can trace my musical evolution in this paragraph! Howard From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 25 15:27:53 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:27:53 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station Message-ID: <312EF9B5AE95442096A6FB5164555A0D@SatU205S5044> It was 1962 and the station was the old CBS-owned WEEI 590. Depending on how you look at it, I won either a 17' boat, motor, and trailer or a 1962 Plymouth two-door sedan with standard transmission (bottom-of-the-line car). Officially, I won the boat, which was the grand prize, but I did not want it and had no place to keep it. One of the five first-prize winners had three brand-new top-of-the-line 1962 Fords (used them in his business) and had no interest in a plain-Jane two-door Plymouth sedan. So we arranged an even-up swap. I needed a new car and the tiny apartment in Belmont in which my late wife and I were living had a parking space for it in the back. I drove the car for ten years and traded it in for a '72 Dodge Dart hard-top. I won the Plymouth by naming a bunch of WEEI programs based on clues provided on the entry blank that I picked up at the local Star Market and writing a 25-word statement on "My favorite WEEI prograsm is.... because....". I submitted the same entry four or five times; there was no rule against submitting multiple entries. I figured that I won the grand prize because of the multiple entries. Whoever ran the contest for WEEI sent a private detective around looking for me. My wife called me at work to tell me but she could not tell me that I had won anything because the detective would not tell her anything except that his visit had something to do with a contest I had entered. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 25 16:33:51 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:33:51 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E2DD32F.5050501@attorneyross.com> On 7/25/2011 12:01 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > > So what was the answer? Liu Shao-chi? I'm pretty sure Mao Tse-tung's title wasn't premier (prime minister); he was the chairman of the Communist Party -- for all we know, those 30 minutes before you called in might have been filled with callers wrongly guessing Mao. At that time, wasn't it Chou En Lai? > My prize haul from radio in the '60s and '70s included several gallons of ice cream, the "30 Now Goldens" album and Elton John's self-titled album (the one with "Your Song") from WRKO, a 20-pound Thanksgiving turkey from WGTR, and tickets to "Live at Passim" and my choice of three albums from a big box of discards from WCAS. That's in chronological order; you can trace my musical evolution in this paragraph! I don't remember what the trivia question was, but I won a gallon of Friendly's ice cream in a contest in WERS back in the early 1970s. They had a Saturday night rock & roll oldies show with a DJ who called himself "Al Payola." When I went into the Coolidge Corner Friendly's to pick up my ice cream, the guy there knew "Al Payola" and told me his real name, but I don't remember what it was. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Jul 25 16:01:20 2011 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:01:20 -0400 Subject: WCOP In-Reply-To: <007901cc4af8$804a9ca0$80dfd5e0$@com> References: <1311609675.94656.YahooMailClassic@web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <007901cc4af8$804a9ca0$80dfd5e0$@com> Message-ID: <1884E9F9-4C47-4E04-93DD-C7923789DD01@charter.net> When in high school in New Jersey, Herb Oscar Anderson read my name one morning in a contest in which you sent in a postcard. Kids at school told me, I called back and won twelve 45 RPM singles. They were actual hits they actually played, too, not throwaways. Now my aunt was on Concentration in the early 1960s and won two Ford Falcons and a bunch of other stuff. She did better than anyone else on the show until then. When my mom was on the Match Game in 1968, her team lost and won $50 each. My dad commented that at least it paid for our trip from Connecticut to New York and a dinner for the six of us! Paul From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 16:36:40 2011 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <312EF9B5AE95442096A6FB5164555A0D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I won $100 from Kiss-108 years ago, and a few years before that I won BU-Holy Cross football tickets from WEEI. (If I'd only known no one cared about BU football...) From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Tue Jul 26 05:46:39 2011 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:46:39 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> I haven't ever won anything more in value than $50. (However... I was selected to present my computer simulation of the 1986 World Series on-air on a now-defunct low-budget station. Yes, the computer had the Mets winning the series; no, Bill Buckner did not commit a crucial E-3 in my simulation. As they say on the MLB/MasterCard ads, priceless.) My stepdaughters, on the other hand, have a magic touch. Their biggest prize was a trip for two to Vegas (to attend some hip-hop star's Vegas party bash), but on top of that they have gone to more concerts than I can count on my fingers free of charge courtesy of local stations, as well as collecting a wide variety of other swag. All of that the old-fashioned way -- manual calling. On 7/25/2011 4:36 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > I won $100 from Kiss-108 years ago, and a few years before that I won BU-Holy Cross football tickets from WEEI. (If I'd only known no one cared about BU football...) > > -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 NOTE: I do not regularly read emails from this account, other than those sent to mailing lists to which I subscribe, in order to minimize spam. If you need to reach me quickly and do not have my other email address, please feel free to call me. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 09:40:08 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:40:08 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: A co-worker of mine won a car, I think, from Celtics Radio Network (WRKO at the time). I also was listening to Jerry Williams on the same station and heard his name mentioned as the winner of a mattress set ("1-800-MATTRES, and leave the last S off for savings") From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 26 16:05:58 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:05:58 -0400 Subject: Mass Lottery will no longer broadcast drawings Message-ID: The Mass lottery says TV is too expensive for them to show the winning numbers and starting 8/15 they will just be done on the lottery website. http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20110726end_of_an_era_no_more_lottery_drawings_on_tv/srvc=home&position=recent At one time stations used to bid for the contract and channel 5 and then 7 paid big bucks to show them...now the stations want to get paid WNEV even made their logo look like lottery balls http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110424205314/logopedia/images/7/70/Wnev_dots.png From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Tue Jul 26 19:42:15 2011 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:42:15 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <312EF9B5AE95442096A6FB5164555A0D@SatU205S5044> References: <312EF9B5AE95442096A6FB5164555A0D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9668AA402B5F41FE8D7FE3EC3B47BB42@vpr1> It was April 1968, Tom Sawyer was on the PM drive at 1510 WMEX, and the contest was the "Bonnie & Clyde" contest. There were 3 safe's to crack: 1st safe: Blackbeard's Ghost Soundtrack LP, 2nd Safe: Cody's Perfume, a WMEX Broadcast House Butane Lighter with the WMEX Broadcast House and date built into it, 3rd Safe: (Grand Prize): Raleigh Motorbike. Well, I cracked all three and won! I was about 12 years old at the time, my dad took me to the WMEX Broadcast House on Broadway, across from the Playboy Club, and we picked up and signed all the paperwork. My uncle drove us to Comm. Ave. where Raleigh was and we picked up the motorbike. ...and all I have today from the winnings: memories of WIMMEXX and the Blackbeard's Ghost LP. John From ecps92@earthlink.net Tue Jul 26 20:23:42 2011 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:23:42 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e1701cc4bf3$712aaca0$538005e0$@net> WBZ On-line Web Contest. a.) Front Row Seats at SS Music Circus for Tony Bennett x2 b.) 1 Night Lodging at the Clarion [Hull] c.) Dinner at ?? Rockland [Italian] $100 voucher d.) SS Music Circus presented us with a Signed Tony Bennett book of his art work Not bad.... Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:40 AM To: Douglas Broda Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station A co-worker of mine won a car, I think, from Celtics Radio Network (WRKO at the time). I also was listening to Jerry Williams on the same station and heard his name mentioned as the winner of a mattress set ("1-800-MATTRES, and leave the last S off for savings") From ecps92@earthlink.net Tue Jul 26 20:29:52 2011 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (~Bill) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:29:52 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e3601cc4bf4$4e1f2870$ea5d7950$@net> O yea, forgot... My Mother [Parents] Won from WBZ an All Expenses trip to California [Hollywood] during the Inaugural Week of Tom Bergeron taking over from Dave Maynard. It began as a "20 Questions" type contest at the 5 am Hour. However if you got a Wrong Question you had to Guess. The Contest was to figure out where Tom had placed his Picture in a Picture Frame. Ended up being on "Ray Flynns Desk at Boston City Hall". WBZ was nice to even make a Tape [Cassette] of the Call for my mother. My Mother who doesn't Fly, did ! and they extended their trip for more time in CA to visit some friends. a Very Nice Win. Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ -----Original Message----- From: ~Bill [mailto:ecps92@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:24 PM To: 'Bob Nelson'; 'Douglas Broda' Cc: 'boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org' Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station WBZ On-line Web Contest. a.) Front Row Seats at SS Music Circus for Tony Bennett x2 b.) 1 Night Lodging at the Clarion [Hull] c.) Dinner at ?? Rockland [Italian] $100 voucher d.) SS Music Circus presented us with a Signed Tony Bennett book of his art work Not bad.... Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://scanmaritime.com/ -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:40 AM To: Douglas Broda Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station A co-worker of mine won a car, I think, from Celtics Radio Network (WRKO at the time). I also was listening to Jerry Williams on the same station and heard his name mentioned as the winner of a mattress set ("1-800-MATTRES, and leave the last S off for savings") From gspatola@q.com Tue Jul 26 20:24:53 2011 From: gspatola@q.com (Glenn Spatola) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:24:53 -0700 Subject: WCAS radio prize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E01E9707FB94EFFA4A654141A47141A@HomePC> In 1978 I won the double-LP soundtrack from the movie "FM," which included the title song by Steely Dan. I won it from WCAS, 740kc, as they were promoting the fact that they were an AM station with an FM (kinda mellow progressive) format. And they were! WCAS was a great station at that time. My favorite commercials running on WCAS during that time were for "T T the Bear's Place" in Central Square, Cambridge. Air personalities included Rick Starr and Frank Dugeon. Glenn From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Jul 26 23:06:37 2011 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:06:37 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <0e3601cc4bf4$4e1f2870$ea5d7950$@net> References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> <0e3601cc4bf4$4e1f2870$ea5d7950$@net> Message-ID: <4E2F80BD.9020800@server4.gabrielmass.com> Back in the '70s I won a few prizes from shortwave broadcasters for participating in listener quizzes: Deutsche Welle gave me prizes on two occasions: first, an LP of Beethoven works (from Deutsche Grammophon); and later a Grundig portable shortwave receiver, which was a nice step up from my Toshiba set. To spare me having to pay duty on it, they shipped it through diplomatic channels, so it arrived about a year after the quiz. Also, Radio Canada International once gave me a C$5 coin from their 1973-1976 Olympic series (now worth about $25 if I can find it). But I was just thrilled to have my name mentioned on the air from a transmitter somewhere across the world. --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 26 23:43:50 2011 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:43:50 -0400 Subject: WCAS radio prize In-Reply-To: <8E01E9707FB94EFFA4A654141A47141A@HomePC> References: <8E01E9707FB94EFFA4A654141A47141A@HomePC> Message-ID: <4E2F8976.3090908@donnahalper.com> On 7/26/2011 8:24 PM, Glenn Spatola wrote: > In 1978 I won the double-LP soundtrack from the movie "FM," which > included the title song by Steely Dan. I won it from WCAS, 740kc, as > they were promoting the fact that they were an AM station with an FM > (kinda mellow progressive) format. And they were! WCAS was a great > station at that time. Yeah, I loved that place. It was hard for me to leave it, since it launched my radio career in 1973, but what a great little radio station WCAS was. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 27 00:34:23 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:34:23 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: References: <1311626200.7128.YahooMailClassic@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4E2E8CFF.8040307@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <11923D098056442A80EC8B72D2FAEC13@PaulPC> My two biggest prizes were in 1985, I correctly guessed the only building used by an NBA team (at that time) older than the then Boston Garden (The Mecca in Milwaukee) and won a limo ride and a pair of tix to a Celtics game from WILD (I actually listened to WILD quite a bit in that time frame). I think Coach Willy May (sp?) was a bit surprised when he saw I was a white guy . (The other irony was that I took a woman that turned out to be gay....good radar) Then in 1992, I won a weekend at Hampton Beach (forget which hotel) from WRKO, but it had to be before Memorial Day or After Labor Day. Well. my ex-wife and I went the weekend of May 14-15 that year and what was most fortunate for us.....It was 90 degrees that weekend.....it did NOT hit 90 degrees again that Summer (actually '92 was one of the colder summers in the last 25 years or so). I also won a $75 Sports Authority Gift Cert from 93.7 in the WEGQ "Eagle" days.....I don't actually think I ever got around to using it! -Paul Hopfgarten -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:40 AM To: Douglas Broda Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station A co-worker of mine won a car, I think, from Celtics Radio Network (WRKO at the time). I also was listening to Jerry Williams on the same station and heard his name mentioned as the winner of a mattress set ("1-800-MATTRES, and leave the last S off for savings") From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 27 00:25:17 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:25:17 -0400 Subject: WCAS radio prize In-Reply-To: <8E01E9707FB94EFFA4A654141A47141A@HomePC> References: <8E01E9707FB94EFFA4A654141A47141A@HomePC> Message-ID: <14C5E82CA62F410393CB4E33FA48C8FA@PaulPC> Actually, the 1978-79 timeframe was when I would listen Wickus Island Broadcasting! AM 740 was on the radio in my Mail room at my South End employer (I was the mail room back then). -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Spatola Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:24 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Subject: WCAS radio prize In 1978 I won the double-LP soundtrack from the movie "FM," which included the title song by Steely Dan. I won it from WCAS, 740kc, as they were promoting the fact that they were an AM station with an FM (kinda mellow progressive) format. And they were! WCAS was a great station at that time. My favorite commercials running on WCAS during that time were for "T T the Bear's Place" in Central Square, Cambridge. Air personalities included Rick Starr and Frank Dugeon. Glenn From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 27 07:00:42 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:00:42 -0400 Subject: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting old vacuum-tube radios Message-ID: <281093B2870B45EDAA4BD940BF6EE712@SatU205S5044> On Wednesdays from 4:00AM to 5:00AM, WRCA(AM) 1330 is carrying a program about restoring/buying/selling/swapping old vacuum-tube radios. The program is called Tube Time. I did not catch the name of the host. Last night, the program followed the late Danny Stiles' Music Museum show and the records played between the interview/talk segments were very much in keeping with Stiles' selections--in this case, non-rock from the late 40s and early 50s. The guest on last night's show was the owner/publisher of a specialty magazine for collectors/restorers of and dealers in old vacuum-tube radios. I didn't catch his name either, or for that matter, the name of his magazine, which he said he had owned for only about the last eight months. I suppose the magazine has a Web site, though given its subject and the sort of folks it would appeal to, maybe not. In any event, I don't think the URL of any Web site was given out during the program. In fact, I don't think the host gave out any contact info (e-mail or postal address) for himself. Unless I missed the URL and contact info (I suppose I might have dozed off), you have to wonder why the guy who runs the show would spend his time putting it together or his money getting it on the air. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 27 07:52:23 2011 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:52:23 +0000 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station Message-ID: <496616308-1311767545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-48068490-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> My aunt won WHDH Cash Call for over 11K in the mid 70's and did it with style. Jess called her and she replied 'The Cash Call is 11,536 but you are not Jess Cain - I know his voice and hung up' - well Jess played that clip which she heard and then called her back. WHDH Cash Call may have been the best promotion this market ever saw. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jul 27 07:56:19 2011 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:56:19 -0400 Subject: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting old vacuum-tube radios In-Reply-To: <281093B2870B45EDAA4BD940BF6EE712@SatU205S5044> References: <281093B2870B45EDAA4BD940BF6EE712@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: What do you link an hour at 4AM costs on a station like WRCA? Enough to pay the electricity? -Bob On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > On Wednesdays from 4:00AM to 5:00AM, WRCA(AM) 1330 is carrying a > program about restoring/buying/selling/**swapping old vacuum-tube > radios. The program is called Tube Time. I did not catch the name of > the host. Last night, the program followed the late Danny Stiles' > Music Museum show and the records played between the interview/talk > segments were very much in keeping with Stiles' selections--in this > case, non-rock from the late 40s and early 50s. > > The guest on last night's show was the owner/publisher of a specialty > magazine for collectors/restorers of and dealers in old vacuum-tube > radios. I didn't catch his name either, or for that matter, the name > of his magazine, which he said he had owned for only about the last > eight months. I suppose the magazine has a Web site, though given its > subject and the sort of folks it would appeal to, maybe not. In any > event, I don't think the URL of any Web site was given out during the > program. In fact, I don't think the host gave out any contact info > (e-mail or postal address) for himself. Unless I missed the URL and > contact info (I suppose I might have dozed off), you have to wonder > why the guy who runs the show would spend his time putting it > together or his money getting it on the air. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 27 11:23:50 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:23:50 -0400 Subject: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting oldvacuum-tube radios References: <281093B2870B45EDAA4BD940BF6EE712@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Presumably, WRCA's alternative is "Music Through the Night" which carries a couple of spots in an hour. One is from Gerber Baby Food, which is selling life insurance on the lives of infants to the parents of those infants. (Well, given the demos, maybe the GRANDparents of the infants.) I suspect that those are PI's. That is, the station is reimbursed per-inquiry, although it's unclear to me how the advertiser links an inquiry to a station. Indeed, I can't believe that the advertiser could be on the honor system to report the inquiries it receives to the stations that carry the ads. There's got to be a trusted third party involved so that neither the station nor the advertiser gets shafted. From this, we can infer that the alternative doesn't pay very well, but I imagine the program producer pays the station at least $200 for each 1-hour program. If the station needs to fill another hour and repeats a program, I'm guessing that the program producer doesn't pay an additional fee. Someone who is familiar with the business of leased-time radio has to answer this. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting oldvacuum-tube radios > What do you link an hour at 4AM costs on a station like WRCA? > Enough to pay the electricity? > > > -Bob > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: > >> On Wednesdays from 4:00AM to 5:00AM, WRCA(AM) 1330 is carrying a >> program about restoring/buying/selling/**swapping old vacuum-tube >> radios. The program is called Tube Time. I did not catch the name >> of >> the host. Last night, the program followed the late Danny Stiles' >> Music Museum show and the records played between the interview/talk >> segments were very much in keeping with Stiles' selections--in this >> case, non-rock from the late 40s and early 50s. >> >> The guest on last night's show was the owner/publisher of a >> specialty >> magazine for collectors/restorers of and dealers in old vacuum-tube >> radios. I didn't catch his name either, or for that matter, the >> name >> of his magazine, which he said he had owned for only about the last >> eight months. I suppose the magazine has a Web site, though given >> its >> subject and the sort of folks it would appeal to, maybe not. In any >> event, I don't think the URL of any Web site was given out during >> the >> program. In fact, I don't think the host gave out any contact info >> (e-mail or postal address) for himself. Unless I missed the URL and >> contact info (I suppose I might have dozed off), you have to wonder >> why the guy who runs the show would spend his time putting it >> together or his money getting it on the air. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 11:11:15 2011 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WSBK moving news to 10p Message-ID: <1311779475.62818.YahooMailRC@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Now that WSBK TV38 will carry MyNetworkTV this fall they have decided to move the 9p newscast to 10p: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/07/27/channel_38_joins_10_pm_news_race/ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 27 12:33:34 2011 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:33:34 -0400 Subject: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting oldvacuum-tube radios In-Reply-To: References: <281093B2870B45EDAA4BD940BF6EE712@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Wrong Dan, there is no 3third part involved for PI Spots. I've worked at stations that ran PI Spots.... and you hafta trust em, they are reputable companies in my eyes, SMP in Wayne, PA and Airtime Media in Stamford, CT are the two big PI Spot reps. If you ask for a log of calls, Im sure they'd supply it to you, Paul On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Presumably, WRCA's alternative is "Music Through the Night" which > carries a couple of spots in an hour. One is from Gerber Baby Food, > which is selling life insurance on the lives of infants to the parents > of those infants. (Well, given the demos, maybe the GRANDparents of > the infants.) I suspect that those are PI's. That is, the station is > reimbursed per-inquiry, although it's unclear to me how the advertiser > links an inquiry to a station. Indeed, I can't believe that the > advertiser could be on the honor system to report the inquiries it > receives to the stations that carry the ads. There's got to be a > trusted third party involved so that neither the station nor the > advertiser gets shafted. From this, we can infer that the alternative > doesn't pay very well, but I imagine the program producer pays the > station at least $200 for each 1-hour program. If the station needs to > fill another hour and repeats a program, I'm guessing that the program > producer doesn't pay an additional fee. Someone who is familiar with > the business of leased-time radio has to answer this. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" > To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: Leased-time program on WRCA is about restoring/collecting > oldvacuum-tube radios > > > What do you link an hour at 4AM costs on a station like WRCA? >> Enough to pay the electricity? >> >> >> -Bob >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Dan.Strassberg >> wrote: >> >> On Wednesdays from 4:00AM to 5:00AM, WRCA(AM) 1330 is carrying a >>> program about restoring/buying/selling/****swapping old vacuum-tube >>> radios. The program is called Tube Time. I did not catch the name >>> of >>> the host. Last night, the program followed the late Danny Stiles' >>> Music Museum show and the records played between the interview/talk >>> segments were very much in keeping with Stiles' selections--in this >>> case, non-rock from the late 40s and early 50s. >>> >>> The guest on last night's show was the owner/publisher of a >>> specialty >>> magazine for collectors/restorers of and dealers in old vacuum-tube >>> radios. I didn't catch his name either, or for that matter, the >>> name >>> of his magazine, which he said he had owned for only about the last >>> eight months. I suppose the magazine has a Web site, though given >>> its >>> subject and the sort of folks it would appeal to, maybe not. In any >>> event, I don't think the URL of any Web site was given out during >>> the >>> program. In fact, I don't think the host gave out any contact info >>> (e-mail or postal address) for himself. Unless I missed the URL and >>> contact info (I suppose I might have dozed off), you have to wonder >>> why the guy who runs the show would spend his time putting it >>> together or his money getting it on the air. >>> >>> ----- >>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >>> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> >>> >>> > From paul@derrynh.net Wed Jul 27 13:44:03 2011 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:44:03 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station In-Reply-To: <496616308-1311767545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-48068490-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> References: <496616308-1311767545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-48068490-@b14.c25.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1850F6CD45E74A1988CFF46C3BFC8BB2@PaulPC> As my parents were frequent 85 HDH listeners, I certainly remember the Cash Call. I was not a big HDH listener myself, but when a captive audience..... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:52 AM To: Paul Hopfgarten ; Bob Nelson ; Douglas Broda Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station My aunt won WHDH Cash Call for over 11K in the mid 70's and did it with style. Jess called her and she replied 'The Cash Call is 11,536 but you are not Jess Cain - I know his voice and hung up' - well Jess played that clip which she heard and then called her back. WHDH Cash Call may have been the best promotion this market ever saw. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 27 21:09:53 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:09:53 -0400 Subject: Fw: Small Cities With Class A Signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E30B6E1.9060205@attorneyross.com> On 7/25/2011 10:00 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > To: "Jim Hall" > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: Small Cities With Class A Signal > > >> I think the smallest city with a Class A AM is Little Rock AR (KAAY). >> If I'm not mistaken, Little Rock was also the last city in the 48 >> contiguous states to be granted a Class A. (Actually, at the time of >> the grant, the AR station's class became I-B.) I believe the grant was >> due to the intercession of Arkansas Senator Fulbright, a very >> influential and very conservative, old-style southern Democrat >> (strongly pro-segregation). And yet, Senator Fulbright was one of the leading spokesmen against the Vietnam war. Bill Clinton worked for him for a time and admired him greatly. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 01:44:07 2011 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:44:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station Message-ID: <21700451.1311831847192.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In summer 1967, I won a whopping $15.10 and a "WMEX Good Guys" sweatshirt for identifying the song "Turn, Turn, Turn" by The Byrds (an easy one for me even at ten years old). My mom brought me down to "Broadcast House" on Broadway to pick it up, and I got a studio tour by Ron Robin. Unfortunately, since I wanted to wear the shirt right away, I asked for the smallest size they had, not thinking that I might want to wear it years later as an adult. But, I still have it! EP From hmglaz@att.net Thu Jul 28 01:55:06 2011 From: hmglaz@att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station Message-ID: <1311832506.36951.YahooMailClassic@web180302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Richard Chonak wrote: >Also, Radio Canada International once gave me a C$5 coin from their >1973-1976 Olympic series (now worth about $25 if I can find it). > >But I was just thrilled to have my name mentioned on the air from a >transmitter somewhere across the world. I was a Radio Canada winner earlier in the decade, before "International" was added to the name -- a double-LP of classical music by Canadian composers, which I won for writing the best letter about "your favorite Radio Canada program" in a "Listeners' Corner" (mailbag show) contest. I was a smart-ass 14-year-old at the time and figured the easiest way to win such a competition would be to write about how much I liked "Listeners' Corner" and its venerable host, Earle Fischer. I slathered it on pretty heavy, I admit, but hey, it worked! I think I clinched it with the salutation: "Dear Mr. Mailbag..." Other shortwave swag I snared during those years were a kerchief from Radio Bucharest, a board game called "Das UNO Spiel" (The U.N. Game) from Austrian Radio, and a copy of Mao's Red Book from Radio Peking. I miss the Cold War. Howard From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 14:24:24 2011 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:24:24 -0400 Subject: Mass Lottery will no longer broadcast drawings References: Message-ID: <3B756CBCB71F448B8D4BF21AFEA472F4@s20035> From: "Kevin Vahey" > The Mass lottery says TV is too expensive for them to show the winning > numbers and starting 8/15 they will just be done on the lottery > website. > > At one time stations used to bid for the contract and channel 5 and > then 7 paid big bucks to show them...now the stations want to get paid Welcome to the new now! From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jul 28 19:42:30 2011 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:42:30 -0400 Subject: WCOP Message-ID: <4E31F3E6.6060702@attorneyross.com> After all the discussion about WCOP, and I mentioned that I could sing the various jingles, they've been running thru my head. Because I'm home sick, I decided to sleep in this morning. As I woke up, I was still running one of the WCOP jingles thru my head. I looked at the clock, and it said 11:50. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jul 31 00:06:48 2011 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:06:48 +0000 Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF Message-ID: <20110731040648.39680@gmx.com> It's not the full fledged move to standard FM, but WEEI is now apparently being heard on the HD-2 signals of both WKAF 97.7 (stick on Great Blue Hill, Milton) and WAAF 107.3 (Stiles Hill, Boylston). I can confirm I can pick up the 97.7 signal here in Beverly; one message board poster can pick up the HD-2 of 107.3 (but, for him, not 97.7) and Mark of Boston Radio Watch says he can confirm both stations are doing this. In the past WEEI was on the HD-3 signal of WMKK 93.7 (stick in Peabody). When I tried my HD portable (and I'm only about 5-8 miles from the MKK stick) they had Funkytown on the HD-2, but no HD-3. Now the question is, how many people know or care enough to go out and buy an HD radio, or start using the ones they may have bought already? No word if they plan to advertise this, as WXKS 1200 did when 107.9's HD-2 started to run them. This may help some people with reception issues (interference in workplaces, etc.) I will say the other night in the break room at work I found WCBS in New York with the Yankees game easier to pick up than 850 WEEI (though the game is also on 104.9 which comes in there but not on the workroom floor). One would think the Boston station would be easier but no...In any case, I may find I could have an easier time getting an HD-2 signal out of Great Blue Hill (trying to pick up in N. Reading or here in Beverly) than I would trying to pick up an HD-3 from Peabody...at least in some areas. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 31 09:51:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:51:33 -0400 Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF References: <20110731040648.39680@gmx.com> Message-ID: So has Entercom turned its back on HD-3 channels on all three of its Boston-market FMs? If so, why? Have any of Entercom's Boston FMs _ever_ run HD-3? Is there some problem with the HD-3 channels? I guess most stations' HD-3 channels are in mono--although I'm not sure of that and I don't think I've heard that HD-3 channels are technically constrained to run only in mono. I think I've heard that at least some (maybe all?) of the Entercom FMs that are running WEEI on their main analog channels are running it in stereo. So does Entercom have a rule that any FM that carries WEEI must carry it in stereo even though the mother ship is on AM and is therefore mono? If HD-3 _must_ be in mono and the company has a rule that WEEI on FM _must_be in stereo, that would rule out running WEEI on 93.7 HD-3 unless the company were willing to move whatever is on 93.7 HD-2 to 93.7 HD-3 and change the music that I gather is currently in stereo on HD-2 to mono on HD-3. I can barely follow my own questions, which makes me wonder whether anyone who isn't a radio geek could ever follow this discussion. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF > It's not the full fledged move to standard FM, but WEEI is now > apparently being heard on the HD-2 signals of > both WKAF 97.7 (stick on Great Blue Hill, Milton) and WAAF 107.3 > (Stiles Hill, Boylston). I can confirm I can pick up > the 97.7 signal here in Beverly; one message board poster can pick > up the HD-2 of 107.3 (but, for him, not 97.7) and Mark of Boston > Radio Watch says he can confirm both stations are doing this. > > In the past WEEI was on the HD-3 signal of WMKK 93.7 (stick in > Peabody). When I tried my HD portable (and I'm only about 5-8 miles > from the MKK stick) they had Funkytown on the HD-2, but no HD-3. Now > the question is, how many people know or care enough to go out and > buy an HD radio, or start using the ones they may have bought > already? No word if they plan to advertise this, as WXKS 1200 did > when 107.9's HD-2 started to run them. > > This may help some people with reception issues (interference in > workplaces, etc.) I will say the other night in the break room at > work I found WCBS in New York with the Yankees game easier to pick > up than 850 WEEI (though the game is also on 104.9 which comes in > there but not on the workroom floor). One would think the Boston > station would be easier but no...In any case, I may find I could > have an easier time getting an HD-2 signal out of Great Blue Hill > (trying to pick up in N. Reading or here in Beverly) than I would > trying to pick up an HD-3 from Peabody...at least in some areas. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 31 12:38:44 2011 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:38:44 -0400 Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF In-Reply-To: References: <20110731040648.39680@gmx.com> Message-ID: So far it seems like none of them are running HD-3s, at least from where I am in Beverly with that HD portable. They had tried WEEI on the WMKK HD-3 for awhile...WMKK only has the HD2 with Funkytown, and WAAF and WKAF have WEEI even though I think the HD2 on WAAF was supposed to have been "live rock" or something. On the display of my portable it just said "WKAF-HD 2", no mention of WEEI, and I'm too far from WAAF to pick up any HDs. (The WKAF not a surprise when one considers it's not all that far from Great Blue Hill to just south of downtown Boston, then it's all water from there to my home). So yes Entercom had tried WEEI on the HD-3 of WMKK though quality mono and not all that spectacular. They may not have figured it was worth doing an HD-3, even on a talk (and play-by-play) signal such as WEEI to be relayed. I can't tell for sure if the WKAF (and WAAF) HD-2s running WEEI are in stereo but they sounded fine to me from briefly tuning in during the Red Sox game last night. Whether Ent, would switch Funkytown to an HD-3 and make it mono, I doubt it but who knows. I would presume CBS highlights the stereo sound/great acoustics they have on Patriots and Bruins play by play (those pucks hitting the glass, those players banging into each other etc.) and I don't know if they'd consider doing Red Sox or Celtics games in stereo as well. From what I can gather, when FMs carry the Sox (like WBOQ) it's probably mono, but who knows.. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Jul 31 11:52:46 2011 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF In-Reply-To: References: <20110731040648.39680@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110731114934.027d0d88@plymouthcolony.net> At 09:51 AM 7/31/2011, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >So does Entercom have a rulethat any FM that carries WEEI must carry it in stereo even though the >mother ship is on AM and is therefore mono? Perhaps so. Some car radios, when scanning for stations, will only stop on signals with a pilot. However, most of the FM news, talk, and sports stations that I am aware of (and the two where I have been CE) run without a pilot. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jul 31 13:58:33 2011 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:58:33 -0400 Subject: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF References: <20110731040648.39680@gmx.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110731114934.027d0d88@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <9EE4A692AD0044348FCE3F01B4ADCB6C@SatU205S5044> Also, in the HD system, I'm pretty sure that there is no pilot (as such), but there probably is another signal, which HD receivers decode, that performs the same (alerting to the presence of stereo) function that the pilot performs for analog broadcasts. I imagine, though, that with all of the main/sub-channel possibilities in HD, a listener would see the message that indicates that the program is being transmitted in stereo only if his/her radio is tuned to a sub-channel that is being transmitted in stereo. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: WEEI on HD-2 signals of WAAF, WKAF From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Wed Jul 27 13:31:57 2011 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:31:57 -0400 Subject: Most expensive thing I have ever won from a radio station Message-ID: The WHDH Cash Call (nee: HDH Payphone) was indeed the best promotion in the history of the market -- on many fronts It was great because it got every at-home diary and it got every at-home diary because the execution was even better than the contest. "2,314 dollars is the HDH Cash Call amount, WRITE IT DOWN we may be calling you" Supple was especially good at selling it. And since the listeners were writing down an amount right around the quarter hour, wouldn't you know they'd pick up the diary at the same time and fill THAT in as well. For the current quarter hour. And for the quarter hour before that, and the one before that. Execution of that contest, and Blair's continuation of the station's historic emphasis on Boston and the inner suburbs drove them to #1 in the time around the Blizzard of 78 Karen McT --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Paul Hopfgarten" , "Bob Nelson" < raccoonradio@gmail.com>, "Douglas Broda" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:52:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Most expensive thing I ever won from a radio station My aunt won WHDH Cash Call for over 11K in the mid 70's and did it with style. Jess called her and she replied 'The Cash Call is 11,536 but you are not Jess Cain - I know his voice and hung up' - well Jess played that clip which she heard and then called her back. WHDH Cash Call may have been the best promotion this market ever saw. From zymrgist@comcast.net Tue Jul 26 11:08:27 2011 From: zymrgist@comcast.net (John) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:08:27 -0400 Subject: The Most Expensive Thing I Ever Won From A Radio Station Message-ID: <4E2ED86B.9010604@comcast.net> This diverges from the actual topic a bit, but speaking of prize-winning on the radio.... I was doing the overnights at a station in Anchorage, AK. (KBYR-AM). They had been a powerhouse in the market at one time but their MOR format had become pretty stale and slipped considerably over the years. I had a prize (an album of some sort) to give away and I offered it to caller 15. Ten minutes later, after no phone calls, I offered it to caller number 1. Ten minutes after that, I said "I'll throw in $10.00 of my own money if someone will just call". It was then that I realized that I was playing Frank Sinatra just for me. And, truth be told, I wasn't even listening. John Lee (WNBP, Newburyport) From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jul 26 16:53:14 2011 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:14 +0000 Subject: WHRB & WSKX Tweak Signals Message-ID: <20110726205314.64200@gmx.com> Two FM stations operating on 95.3, WHRB COL Cambridge, MA TL Financial/Theater District of downtown Boston, and WSKX COL York, ME TL Mt Agamenticus, ME (a hill really) have applied to tweak their facilities. WHRB will go from a directional antenna to a non-directional antenna, and lower its ERP a skosh, while WSKX alter its DA pattern to spread its full power over a large area, while reducing its signal south and southwest. This seems a little odd because WWWA-FM 95.3 is boosting its power at the same time. Actually, to paraphrase Randy Newman, WSKX has no reason to exist...it would be better if it went away. It's supposedly a part of the Portsmouth, NH/Kittery, ME market, and in the past failed to show up in the ratings the last time I looked (with different call letters). Is there a Harvardian somewhere with a few idle bucks to buy out WSKX and silence it?