From heritageradio@msn.com Tue Jun 1 01:50:28 2010 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:50:28 -0400 Subject: Boston Radio Studios In-Reply-To: <20100514124411.hzezg7r88wco40w4@webmail.myfairpoint.net>, <4BEEDFBA.19588.6F47DA@joe.attorneyross.com>, <20100515213125.68BE444C027@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4BEF85C2.24617.855DC8@joe.attorneyross.com> <0070A490631C4A3AB1A12C16069E76C7@aeriema> References: <20100514124411.hzezg7r88wco40w4@webmail.myfairpoint.net>, <4BEEDFBA.19588.6F47DA@joe.attorneyross.com>, <20100515213125.68BE444C027@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4BEF85C2.24617.855DC8@joe.attorneyross.com> <0070A490631C4A3AB1A12C16069E76C7@aeriema> Message-ID: Yes, Both WBZ and WVDA had studios (at different times) in the Hotel Bradford. I visited the WBZ studios as a young child, and I was a guest with Sherm Feller once on WVDA - Both studios had peculiar layouts with extremely tall ceilings. But not as peculiar as WNAC at 21 Brookline Avenue, and not nearly as beautiful as WCOP at 485 Boylston St. Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com Heritage Radio Theatre - VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast 6/1/10 --000--- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hall To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Boston and ABC Radio I know that WEZE studios were in the office building section of what was then the "Statler Hilton" in Park Square (now known as the Boston Park Plaza). These were the studios right on the street on the first floor with a big curved plate glass window (St. James Ave and Columbus Ave intersection). I am assuming that these were also the WVDA studios. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:27 AM To: A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Boston and ABC Radio I believe that is what happened but I have no proof. For sure, the Yankee/Mutual affiliation stayed with WNAC when WNAC moved from 1260 to 680. WVDA was cobbled together from the old WNAC 1260 transmitter in Milton and/or Quincy and the Boston studios of the old WLAW 680, whose main studio was in Lawrence, the CoL. I believe that WLAW originated more programming from Boston than it did from it's "main" studio in Lawrence. The WVDA studios (which had been the WLAW Boston studios) were in a well-known Boston hotel, whose name I keep forgetting. That hotel had previously been the site of WBZ's studios and also the studios of WBOS (not just the FM station but also WBOS (AM) 1600, which became WUNR many decades ago). It makes sense that when 680 became WNAC, the ABC affiliation would have moved from 680 to 1260 (WVDA), because both WLAW and WCOP had been ABC affiliates (something that was possible because WLAW was officially not a Boston station despite having the market's second best signal in Boston) and Plough Inc, WCOP's new owner, did not want WCOP to continue its network affiliation. Despite a 5-kW signal that was inferior downtown and elsewhere to 680's 50-kW, WCOP had been the "real" Boston ABC affiliate for several years before Plough bought it. I think it was established many years ago on this list that, even though three or four stations had maintained studios in the same Boston hotel at various times, they did not all occupy the same space at different times. Indeed, there was probably a time when that hotel was home to at least two unrelated radio stations at the same time. Somebody, please supply the hotel name so I can say, "Oh, yeah." (Wasn't it on Stuart St? It was neither the Parker House nor the Touraine, IIRC.) Thanks. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Boston and ABC Radio > I wonder whether > WVDA picked up the ABC affiliation from WLAW when that changeover > took place. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 1 08:49:16 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:49:16 -0400 Subject: Boston Radio Studios Message-ID: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Tell us about WNAC and WCOP. I'm curious. I remember the WNAC building. (What's there now?) -Doug Quoting Thomas Heathwood : > Yes, Both WBZ and WVDA had studios (at different times) in the Hotel > Bradford. I visited the WBZ studios as a young child, and I was a > guest with > Sherm Feller once on WVDA - Both studios had peculiar layouts with extremely > tall ceilings. But not as peculiar as WNAC at 21 Brookline Avenue, and not > nearly > as beautiful as WCOP at 485 Boylston St. > Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com > Heritage Radio Theatre - VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast > 6/1/10 > > --000--- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Hall > To: > boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 4:12 PM > Subject: RE: Boston and ABC Radio > > > I know that WEZE studios were in the office building section of what was > then the "Statler Hilton" in Park Square (now known as the Boston Park > Plaza). These were the studios right on the street on the first > floor with a > big curved plate glass window (St. James Ave and Columbus Ave > intersection). > I am assuming that these were also the WVDA studios. > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:27 AM > To: A. Joseph Ross > Cc: > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Boston and ABC Radio > > I believe that is what happened but I have no proof. For sure, the > Yankee/Mutual affiliation stayed with WNAC when WNAC moved from 1260 > to 680. WVDA was cobbled together from the old WNAC 1260 transmitter > in Milton and/or Quincy and the Boston studios of the old WLAW 680, > whose main studio was in Lawrence, the CoL. I believe that WLAW > originated more programming from Boston than it did from it's "main" > studio in Lawrence. The WVDA studios (which had been the WLAW Boston > studios) were in a well-known Boston hotel, whose name I keep > forgetting. That hotel had previously been the site of WBZ's studios > and also the studios of WBOS (not just the FM station but also WBOS > (AM) 1600, which became WUNR many decades ago). > > It makes sense that when 680 became WNAC, the ABC affiliation would > have moved from 680 to 1260 (WVDA), because both WLAW and WCOP had > been ABC affiliates (something that was possible because WLAW was > officially not a Boston station despite having the market's second > best signal in Boston) and Plough Inc, WCOP's new owner, did not want > WCOP to continue its network affiliation. Despite a 5-kW signal that > was inferior downtown and elsewhere to 680's 50-kW, WCOP had been the > "real" Boston ABC affiliate for several years before Plough bought it. > > I think it was established many years ago on this list that, even > though three or four stations had maintained studios in the same > Boston hotel at various times, they did not all occupy the same space > at different times. Indeed, there was probably a time when that hotel > was home to at least two unrelated radio stations at the same time. > Somebody, please supply the hotel name so I can say, "Oh, yeah." > (Wasn't it on Stuart St? It was neither the Parker House nor the > Touraine, IIRC.) Thanks. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > > To: "Donna Halper" > > Cc: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: Boston and ABC Radio > > > I wonder whether > > WVDA picked up the ABC affiliation from WLAW when that changeover > > took place. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jun 1 12:15:04 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:15:04 -0400 Subject: Boston Radio Studios In-Reply-To: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 08:49 AM 6/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >Tell us about WNAC and WCOP. I'm curious. I remember the WNAC >building. (What's there now?) My husband and I took photos a couple of years ago of what used to be the WNAC studios at 21 Brookline Ave-- the building was abandoned, sad to say, and left to just sit there unoccupied. Next door, however, is the Buckminster Hotel, where WNAC moved in 1930-31 (the move occurred in two stages). If I'm not mistaken, the Buckminster spent some time as a part of Grahm Junior College before being returned to its former role as a hotel. The Buckminster had a wonderful ballroom, and WNAC used to hold live broadcasts with famous bandleaders. The Brookline Ave location was a big deal in the early 40s-- in 1942, it was expanded to house what was then expected to be the next big thing-- FM. The new and state of the art studios, with room for WNAC AM, the new FM operation, and the Yankee Network, was written up in many newspapers. Of course, WNAC got its start in the Shepard Department Store's Boston location on Winter Place, in late July 1922. (I have a scanned photo of the outside of the WNAC/Yankee studios on Brookline Ave, from 1946, if anyone wants me to send them a copy.) WCOP almost didn't get on the air-- its original owner died of a hear attack, if I remember my old notes about events in 1935. It was originally supposed to have the call letters WMFH. And of course went on the air from the Copley Plaza, in late August 1935. In those days, it was at 1120 on the dial and was a daytimer only until late 1941. It underwent a number of ownership changes in only a short time, and when it was purchased by Cowles Broadcasting in October 1944, there was talk of building a new and improved transmitter in Lexington, but the studios remained at the Copley Plaza Hotel and in mid June 1945, WCOP officially became part of the former Blue Network-- now American Broadcasting Co. I assume that when WCOP was sold to Plough Broadcasting, it moved to the location at 234 Clarendon, because that's where it is listed in the mid 1950s. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 1 12:21:38 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:38 -0500 Subject: Boston Radio Studios In-Reply-To: <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: When did WCOP move the studio to the Lexington xmtr? I know in 68 they were there and FM was run by a Gates automation system. On 6/1/10, Donna Halper wrote: > At 08:49 AM 6/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >>Tell us about WNAC and WCOP. I'm curious. I remember the WNAC >>building. (What's there now?) > > My husband and I took photos a couple of years ago of what used to be > the WNAC studios at 21 Brookline Ave-- the building was abandoned, > sad to say, and left to just sit there unoccupied. Next door, > however, is the Buckminster Hotel, where WNAC moved in 1930-31 (the > move occurred in two stages). If I'm not mistaken, the Buckminster > spent some time as a part of Grahm Junior College before being > returned to its former role as a hotel. The Buckminster had a > wonderful ballroom, and WNAC used to hold live broadcasts with famous > bandleaders. The Brookline Ave location was a big deal in the early > 40s-- in 1942, it was expanded to house what was then expected to be > the next big thing-- FM. The new and state of the art studios, with > room for WNAC AM, the new FM operation, and the Yankee Network, was > written up in many newspapers. Of course, WNAC got its start in the > Shepard Department Store's Boston location on Winter Place, in late > July 1922. (I have a scanned photo of the outside of the WNAC/Yankee > studios on Brookline Ave, from 1946, if anyone wants me to send them a > copy.) > > WCOP almost didn't get on the air-- its original owner died of a hear > attack, if I remember my old notes about events in 1935. It was > originally supposed to have the call letters WMFH. And of course > went on the air from the Copley Plaza, in late August 1935. In those > days, it was at 1120 on the dial and was a daytimer only until late > 1941. It underwent a number of ownership changes in only a short > time, and when it was purchased by Cowles Broadcasting in October > 1944, there was talk of building a new and improved transmitter in > Lexington, but the studios remained at the Copley Plaza Hotel and in > mid June 1945, WCOP officially became part of the former Blue > Network-- now American Broadcasting Co. I assume that when WCOP was > sold to Plough Broadcasting, it moved to the location at 234 > Clarendon, because that's where it is listed in the mid 1950s. > > -- Sent from my mobile device From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 2 01:56:29 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 01:56:29 -0400 Subject: Boston Radio Studios In-Reply-To: References: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net>, <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, Message-ID: <4C05F28D.20829.895AE7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Jun 2010 at 11:21, Kevin Vahey wrote: > When did WCOP move the studio to the Lexington xmtr? I know in 68 they > were there and FM was run by a Gates automation system. I remember that around 1960-61, they had automated separate classical music programming on FM, which they said was originating from their transmitter in Lexington. I suspect the AM was originating from there, too because at least two of their DJs lived in Bedford. I believe Paul Knight was one; I don't remember who the other one was. In Bedford the WCOP signal was as strong as WBZ. It was a very popular station among local teens, and their DJs were frequently hired to do record hops at the high school. The WMEX signal had problems in Bedford, especially at night, when it sometimes was overwhelmed by WKBW. Once I saw WPTR mentioned in the school newspaper as a station that people listened to. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 2 02:14:28 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:14:28 -0500 Subject: Boston Radio Studios In-Reply-To: <4C05F28D.20829.895AE7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4C05F28D.20829.895AE7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: WCOP was the strongest signal in Cambridge as well. But as a Top 40 they didn't have a north shore signal and they didn't have Arnie. MEX even in Cambridge had problems with WKBW and WPTR was like a local at night - yet had problems in downtown Albany My mother used to call her sister in West Newton to play Jerry Williams over the phone. On 6/2/10, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 1 Jun 2010 at 11:21, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> When did WCOP move the studio to the Lexington xmtr? I know in 68 they >> were there and FM was run by a Gates automation system. > > I remember that around 1960-61, they had automated separate classical > music programming on FM, which they said was originating from their > transmitter in Lexington. I suspect the AM was originating from > there, too because at least two of their DJs lived in Bedford. I > believe Paul Knight was one; I don't remember who the other one was. > > In Bedford the WCOP signal was as strong as WBZ. It was a very > popular station among local teens, and their DJs were frequently > hired to do record hops at the high school. The WMEX signal had > problems in Bedford, especially at night, when it sometimes was > overwhelmed by WKBW. Once I saw WPTR mentioned in the school > newspaper as a station that people listened to. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > -- Sent from my mobile device From heritageradio@msn.com Wed Jun 2 03:18:31 2010 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:18:31 -0400 Subject: Fw: BRADFORD/WCOP Message-ID: The Bradford was at 275 Tremont Street and is now a Marriott Courtyard.. However, they are not selling any one-bedroom apartments as someone stated on Boston Radio Interest (for $40,00). LOL. The WCOP "model" studios in Copley Square were in the New England Mutual Building at 485 Boylston Street for at least part of the time that COWLES owned the station and when PLOUGH had it. WNAC was at 21 Brookline Avenue, but extended into the hotel. Last time I looked, the area that used to be the front door still had Yankee Network etched into the stone. (Tom Heathwood) To: Dan.Strassberg ; Thomas Heathwood Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: BRADFORD At 07:42 AM 6/1/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I found a Web page for a collectable picture-postcard of the old >Bradford Hotel. You can buy a copy of the card for ~$15.00. A copy of >the card appears on the Web page, but the postcard itself does not >provide a usable street address--the address is given only as Boston >16, Mass (remember the old two-digit postal codes?). Without an exact >street address, I can't confirm that another hotel now occupies the >building (or the lot) on which the Bradford used to stand. The Bradford Hotel was built in 1927 as the Elks Hotel, if my memory serves. I have two postcards from its Bradford days-- one that is just the hotel, and another which has the same view of the building but a caption that says "home of WBZ". WBZ began its Boston life in 1924 at the long since defunct Hotel Brunswick, moved briefly to the Statler in 1927, and then moved to the Bradford, where it remained throughout the 1930s and into the 40s till the Soldiers Field Road move. During the 70s and 80s, the Bradford hosted many seminars, including EST trainings. These days, it's a Marriott. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 2 02:39:41 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:39:41 -0500 Subject: WO9-8989 Message-ID: For many of us on this list you know what I am referring to :) Those of us who enjoyed radio in Boston at night back then have huge shared memories but if you talk to non-media people they have their memories as well. If you were a night person AM was your friend. There was no late night TV past 2:30 AM after channel 4 ran some 40's movie. So in Boston we had 590- WEEI Music Till Dawn light classical 680 WNAC - I think they simulcast WOR 850 WHDH - Norm Nathan - I loved his intro music 1030 WBZ - Dick Summer 1150 WCOP - no recollection 1510 WMEX - Glick Sunday Night - early Monday it was Ken Mayer at 1600 and Norm at 850 as everybody else was off air. WBZ signed off at Midnight on Sunday and then would fire up the Allston back up. My point is Ken Mayer is known by a lot of non-radio people 40 years later because it was him or Nathan. I miss those days. -- Sent from my mobile device From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 2 07:13:55 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 07:13:55 -0400 Subject: Boston Radio Studios References: <20100601084916.37sjxxsid76s8w8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net>, <20100601161505.4F1221B9C5D@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, <4C05F28D.20829.895AE7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <476D5DF442F84B0BA5BB0BB8337F9B65@SatU205S5044> I worked at MIT Lincoln Lab on Wood St in Lexington (near Hartwell Ave) from 1956 to 1958. That location is at the opposite end of Lexington from the 1150 transmitter. The women in the lab had WCOP on constantly; the signal was very strong, although it's hard for me to believe that WNAC 680 didn't put an even stronger signal into that location. WNAC was DA-1 back then using what is now the WRKO night pattern. Could we have been behind the WNAC pattern? (Don't think so.) I can't believe that WCOP put a really strong signal into Lincoln Lab after sundown (the 1150 night pattern is much more restrictive to the northwest than is the day pattern), but I don't recall trying to check out my hyporthesis either. The obvious test would have been to catch the pattern change on my car radio before I left the parking lot on my way home. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Boston Radio Studios > On 1 Jun 2010 at 11:21, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> When did WCOP move the studio to the Lexington xmtr? I know in 68 >> they >> were there and FM was run by a Gates automation system. > > I remember that around 1960-61, they had automated separate > classical > music programming on FM, which they said was originating from their > transmitter in Lexington. I suspect the AM was originating from > there, too because at least two of their DJs lived in Bedford. I > believe Paul Knight was one; I don't remember who the other one was. > > In Bedford the WCOP signal was as strong as WBZ. It was a very > popular station among local teens, and their DJs were frequently > hired to do record hops at the high school. The WMEX signal had > problems in Bedford, especially at night, when it sometimes was > overwhelmed by WKBW. Once I saw WPTR mentioned in the school > newspaper as a station that people listened to. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jun 2 12:01:34 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:01:34 -0400 Subject: Eddie Andelman, Glenn Ordway In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100602160139.2103144C03B@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> For some reason, I am striking out (no pun intended) in getting photos of these two legends that I can use in my up-coming book. I've even called WEEI, e-mailed, etc, but so far, no luck. Does anyone have any contacts whereby I could obtain scanned images of Eddie and Glenn? Obviously, I would need permission to use the photos, so simply pulling them off the internet doesn't work. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Jun 2 12:04:03 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:04:03 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) Message-ID: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Maybe the choice of WCOP at Lincoln Lab rather than (boring old) WNAC in the late '50s had more to do with program content than signal. I live about 7 or 8 miles due north of WWDJ ex-WCOP 1150 (and 3 miles north of WRKO ex-WNAC 680). The night signal on 1150 has quite variable over the years. For several years (early '80s) it was strong here and also good going around the compass a bit more to the west into Bedford. Later on the signal became much weaker and CKOC from Ontario was giving it quite a bit of interference at night. A friend of mine, Bob Isenstein (KN1A) said he did some consulting for the 1150 operation in the '80s because measurements were indicating that the nulls north and northwest weren't anywhere near as tight as they were supposed to be (though northeast, southwest, and due west still seemed reasonably suppressed). The result of his investigation showed that parts of the ground system were corroded and, in some cases, completely disconnected. How long this condition had existed I couldn't say (but maybe as far back as the '60s?). After the necessary maintenance work was done, nulls became much closer to what they are supposed to be. There are still some nights when the 1150 signal is stronger than on other nights here, so the null depth or azimuth is likely to be affected by water level at the site. In general things have been fairly consistent since the 1470 diplex operation commenced: likely additional measurements and maintenance were done as part of that work. When that effort was underway, 1150 went essentially non-directional at night for maybe a week and then the null was back. V-Soft says that 1150 is 7.07 mV/m day, 1.55 mV/m night here or a reduction of about 13 dB. This agrees reasonably close to what I am observing using Perseus and SDR-IQ "software defined receivers" with accurate signal strength metering. The night signal usually overrides the co-channel stuff though I would only rate reception as "entertainment quality" about 75% of the time after dark. At Lincoln Labs near Route 128 and the Lexington, Bedford, and Burlington border area I would have a hard time believing that 680 is not the strongest signal. Even if they are nulling some that way, you're only about 3 miles from the towers. Even out to the Route 2 and 495 junction in Littleton, WRKO is reasonably playable at night with maybe just hints of 660 WFAN IBOC and snippets of co-channel Toronto, Raleigh, San Juan, Baltimore, etc. creeping into the background during audio pauses. 670 (Chicago / Cuba) and 690 (luckily no more Montreal) adjacents do not factor in to any degree. WCOP seemed like the strongest signal where I was in Arlington from the '50s to the '70s with WNAC/WRKO a close second. V-Soft for Arlington 02474 gives WRKO the edge but that's based on the center of town, about a mile farther from 1150 than where I was on the southwest corner of Menotomy Rocks Park and a few hundred feet from Route 2. There isn't any distance difference with 680, if anything Turkey Hill being more in the way on the route from where I was to Burlington (versus from the center of town to there) may have shaved a bit off their signal coming my way. WCOP was very popular at the Brackett Elementary School where some kids would use "rocket radios" (that didn't need batteries) to receive its big signal by clipping onto metal classroom desks. That was bad enough for the teachers then. Today we have iPods and smartphones - no wonder teachers get frustrated! WMEX and WBZ were of course also well-known then (ca. 1961) but WCOP ruled the after-school hours with the Ed Mitchell show. He'd progressively slow down and "kill" songs he didn't like such as the weepy tragedy hit "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll, where the teen girl's boyfriend gets zapped by lightning right before they were going to get married. Mitchell inserted comedic Stan Freberg and Spike Jones audio clips liberally in his shows, along with sound effects - dogs, gunshots, trains, wolf-whistles, bedspring noises and so on - that seemed the same as those on a Radio Shack sound effects / stereo demo record I had. How he pulled off all this sound-bite tomfoolery before computers and MP3 files I'll never know. I wish I had some airchecks of his shows. Ginsburg gets all the acknowledgements - and he is certainly due them - but few seem to remember Ed Mitchell of that same era. Most likely this is because WCOP "went square" (as kids said) sometime in '62 or early '63 while WMEX prospered as "the" Top 40 station with just more-adult-sounding WBZ as competition until the rise of 'RKO in 1967. WHDH's Jess Cain and Bob Clayton didn't matter to kids much: way too much Buddy Greco, Lawrence Welk, etc. and virtually no soul / funk or anything too guitar-heavy such as '63 proto-punk / garage smashes "Louie Louie" and "Surfin' Bird". WMEX ruled at the popular beaches - Nantasket, Revere, Wollaston, Nahant, Castle Island, Carson - where its signal from N. Quincy was far stronger than WCOP's. "Temptation" by the Everly Bros., "The Mountains High" by Dick and DeeDee, "Dum Dum" by Brenda Lee, and quite a few other songs always bring back roller-coaster, arcade, swimming, and sunning memories of WMEX blasting out speakers at all the local beaches in the summer of '61. A number of my classmates (and I) listened to out-of-town stations at night. WABC, WINS, WKBW, and WPTR were the big ones. NYC stations in particular played soul hits by James Brown, Rufus Thomas, Solomon Burke, Chuck Jackson, and others that seemed to be shut out of most Boston playlists other than WILD's. On the subject of DJ's few remember, Chuck Stevens out of WPAW (550) in RI was at least as zany and way-out-there as the Wolfman, Arnie, Murray-the-K, and many of the other famous ones. I have no clue where to find programming like this anymore, maybe on a web radio station or Sirius/XM? Most "regular" radio now is a complete waste of time as far as any "fun factor" goes. Mark Connelly, WA1ION Billerica (Pinehurst), MA South Yarmouth, MA << I worked at MIT Lincoln Lab on Wood St in Lexington (near Hartwell Ave) from 1956 to 1958. That location is at the opposite end of Lexington from the 1150 transmitter. The women in the lab had WCOP on constantly; the signal was very strong, although it's hard for me to believe that WNAC 680 didn't put an even stronger signal into that location. WNAC was DA-1 back then using what is now the WRKO night pattern. Could we have been behind the WNAC pattern? (Don't think so.) I can't believe that WCOP put a really strong signal into Lincoln Lab after sundown (the 1150 night pattern is much more restrictive to the northwest than is the day pattern), but I don't recall trying to check out my hyporthesis either. The obvious test would have been to catch the pattern change on my car radio before I left the parking lot on my way home. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jun 2 12:15:42 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:15:42 -0400 Subject: BRADFORD/WCOP References: Message-ID: Hi Tom: The only recent mention of $40k condos and radio was the Hotel Kimball Springfield, former home of WBZA. Yup, condos in that price range http://www.kimballtowers.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Heathwood" To: "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:18 AM Subject: Fw: BRADFORD/WCOP The Bradford was at 275 Tremont Street and is now a Marriott Courtyard.. However, they are not selling any one-bedroom apartments as someone stated on Boston Radio Interest (for $40,00). LOL. The WCOP "model" studios in Copley Square were in the New England Mutual Building at 485 Boylston Street for at least part of the time that COWLES owned the station and when PLOUGH had it. WNAC was at 21 Brookline Avenue, but extended into the hotel. Last time I looked, the area that used to be the front door still had Yankee Network etched into the stone. (Tom Heathwood) To: Dan.Strassberg ; Thomas Heathwood Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: BRADFORD At 07:42 AM 6/1/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I found a Web page for a collectable picture-postcard of the old >Bradford Hotel. You can buy a copy of the card for ~$15.00. A copy of >the card appears on the Web page, but the postcard itself does not >provide a usable street address--the address is given only as Boston >16, Mass (remember the old two-digit postal codes?). Without an exact >street address, I can't confirm that another hotel now occupies the >building (or the lot) on which the Bradford used to stand. The Bradford Hotel was built in 1927 as the Elks Hotel, if my memory serves. I have two postcards from its Bradford days-- one that is just the hotel, and another which has the same view of the building but a caption that says "home of WBZ". WBZ began its Boston life in 1924 at the long since defunct Hotel Brunswick, moved briefly to the Statler in 1927, and then moved to the Bradford, where it remained throughout the 1930s and into the 40s till the Soldiers Field Road move. During the 70s and 80s, the Bradford hosted many seminars, including EST trainings. These days, it's a Marriott. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 12:18:48 2010 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:18:48 -0400 Subject: WCOP - Phil Christy References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0A58F529C6F748B396E24257653D73D4@s20035> Awhile back someone posted an aircheck of Phil Christy on WCOP from some aircheck site.....does anyone still have that link? I cant seem tofind the note, or the ac on the site. Thanks! From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jun 2 16:10:18 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:10:18 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <62A5472B136A48418F130E77DA6FE037@SatU205S5044> The biggest upgrade of the 1150 facilities that I know of took place when Greater Media owned the signal and was doing a lot of long-neglected maintenance in preparation for a sale. I guess that when the work was complete, the station was sold to American Radio Systems, the progenitor of today's American Tower Systems, which no longer owns the AM station but still owns the land, the buildings, and the towers, including the currently unused 100.7 FM tower. I do know that when 1470 moved in, there were big-time problems, which took more than a year to resolve. I think those problems related to reradiation of the 50 kW 1510 signal, which originates from 411 Waverly Oaks Rd in Waltham, only a mile or so to the east, and is only 40 kHz from 1470. Where I live (about a mile northeast of the 1150 site), the most easily noticed improvement that GM made was the installation of NRSC filters. For years, 1150 had occupied a good half of the AM band--from around 950 to 1600. The filters reduced this to the point where 1120 became audible--at least during the daytime. There were also obvious problems with the beacons, which were not illuminated for months on end--a bad situation in a densely populated area not from Hanscom Field. Other improvements included replacing all of the windows in the Tx building. The frames had mostly rotted away. And generally sprucing up the building. Today (and for quite a few years now) all the radio-related stuff in that building is in the basement and below. (I think the building has a sub-basement as well as a basement and I think that, at the rear of the building, the sub-basement is at ground-level.) The first and second floors are rented out as office space to companies whose business has nothing to do with radio. I too had heard that the patterns were wildly out of whack. I thought that the FM tower created a major part of that problem, but I can certainly believe that the ground system was in serious disrepair. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) > > A friend of mine, Bob Isenstein (KN1A) said he did some consulting > for the 1150 operation in the '80s because measurements were > indicating that the nulls north and northwest weren't anywhere near > as tight as they were supposed to be (though northeast, southwest, > and due west still seemed reasonably suppressed). > > The result of his investigation showed that parts of the ground > system were corroded and, in some cases, completely disconnected. > How long this condition had existed I couldn't say (but maybe as far > back as the '60s?). After the necessary maintenance work was done, > nulls became much closer to what they are supposed to be. > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 22:54:35 2010 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <680803.54966.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh yes, the late Kenny Mayer! His show was simulcast on 92.9 FM until 12/81 went the FM went Album Rock. The 1600 AM signal was woefully poor anywhere except the downtown area of Boston. Kenny was a true gentleman. He totally refused to play Vaughn Meader's "First Family" (still very popular to the audience for years) on his show during the comedy cuts section, out of respect of the late President Kennedy. WO9-8989 was the telephone number for you to call him, though he would not put any live calls on the air. Even into the 1980's, he still used that lettered telephone number up until he left the air. (Boston went all-numbered phone numbers in 1966). Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: WO9-8989 > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 2:39 AM > For many of us on this list you know > what I am referring to :) > > Those of us who enjoyed radio in Boston at night back then > have huge > shared memories but if you talk to non-media people they > have their > memories as well. > > If you were a night person AM was your friend. There was no > late night > TV past 2:30 AM after channel 4 ran some 40's movie. > > So in Boston we had > > 590- WEEI Music Till Dawn light classical > > 680 WNAC - I think they simulcast WOR > > 850 WHDH - Norm Nathan - I loved his intro music > > 1030 WBZ -? Dick Summer > > 1150 WCOP - no recollection > > 1510 WMEX - Glick > > Sunday Night - early Monday it was Ken Mayer at 1600 and > Norm at 850 > as everybody else was off air. WBZ signed off at Midnight > on Sunday > and then would fire up the Allston back up. > > My point is Ken Mayer is known by a lot of non-radio people > 40 years > later because it was him or Nathan. > > I miss those days. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 3 00:47:47 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:47:47 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) In-Reply-To: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C0733F3.21919.5AD4FD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jun 2010 at 12:04, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > WCOP was very popular at the Brackett Elementary School where some > kids would use "rocket radios" (that didn't need batteries) to receive > its big signal by clipping onto metal classroom desks. That was bad > enough for the teachers then. Today we have iPods and smartphones - > no wonder teachers get frustrated! I remember having one of those. It was actually a modern-day crystal set. > WMEX and WBZ were of course also well-known then (ca. 1961) but WCOP > ruled the after-school hours with the Ed Mitchell show. He'd > progressively slow down and "kill" songs he didn't like such as the > weepy tragedy hit "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll, where the teen girl's > boyfriend gets zapped by lightning right before they were going to get > married. Mitchell inserted comedic Stan Freberg and Spike Jones audio > clips liberally in his shows, along with sound effects - dogs, > gunshots, trains, wolf-whistles, bedspring noises and so on - that > seemed the same as those on a Radio Shack sound effects / stereo demo > record I had. How he pulled off all this sound-bite tomfoolery before > computers and MP3 files I'll never know. I wish I had some airchecks > of his shows. Ginsburg gets all the acknowledgements - and he is > certainly due them - but few seem to remember Ed Mitchell of that same > era. Most likely this is because WCOP "went square" (as kids said) > sometime in '62 or early '63 I remember "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie MITCHELL" on WCOP. When WCOP "went square" (it was in the summer of 1962), that was when I first started listening to WMEX. The signal was good in Bedford in the daytime, but problematical at night. And what did I hear? The same guy who was Ed Mitchell on WCOP turned up as Fenway on WMEX, doing the same shtick! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Wed Jun 2 23:59:18 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:59:18 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: <680803.54966.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <680803.54966.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C072896.7020603@fybush.com> Peter Q. George wrote: > WO9-8989 was the telephone number for you to call him, > though he would not put any live calls on the air. Even into the > 1980's, he still used that lettered telephone number up until he left > the air. (Boston went all-numbered phone numbers in 1966). For what little it's worth, 617-969-8989 is now the number for the pediatrics department at Newton-Wellesley. I wonder if they ever get calls for Ken? s From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Jun 2 23:05:59 2010 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:05:59 -0400 Subject: WCOP - Phil Christy In-Reply-To: <0A58F529C6F748B396E24257653D73D4@s20035> References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> <0A58F529C6F748B396E24257653D73D4@s20035> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Don wrote: > > Awhile back someone posted an aircheck of Phil Christy on WCOP from some > aircheck site.....does anyone still have that link? It's up on my site. www.northeastairchecks.com -Rick Kelly From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Thu Jun 3 07:54:17 2010 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:54:17 -0400 Subject: FW: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com To: kvahey@gmail.com Subject: RE: WO9-8989 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:44:42 -0400 Yes, Kenny Mayer's phone number on the one-way line. Do you remember when he tried the phone lines to include the caller on the air? Kenny tried it and canned it in his inimitable manner. Paul Sandwich > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:39:41 -0500 > Subject: WO9-8989 > From: kvahey@gmail.com > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > For many of us on this list you know what I am referring to :) > > Those of us who enjoyed radio in Boston at night back then have huge > shared memories but if you talk to non-media people they have their > memories as well. > > If you were a night person AM was your friend. There was no late night > TV past 2:30 AM after channel 4 ran some 40's movie. > > So in Boston we had > > 590- WEEI Music Till Dawn light classical > > 680 WNAC - I think they simulcast WOR > > 850 WHDH - Norm Nathan - I loved his intro music > > 1030 WBZ - Dick Summer > > 1150 WCOP - no recollection > > 1510 WMEX - Glick > > Sunday Night - early Monday it was Ken Mayer at 1600 and Norm at 850 > as everybody else was off air. WBZ signed off at Midnight on Sunday > and then would fire up the Allston back up. > > My point is Ken Mayer is known by a lot of non-radio people 40 years > later because it was him or Nathan. > > I miss those days. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jun 3 08:37:28 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:37:28 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cb0319$8b9effb0$a2dcff10$@ma@comcast.net> Does anyone remember the young lady who tried to continue the Sunday night show on 1600 after Kenny passed away? If memory serves, she was about 18 and interested in broadcasting, and her father leased the time. Damn...I wish I could run down to Ken's at Copley and grab a Kenny Mayer special! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Currier Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:54 AM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: FW: WO9-8989 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com To: kvahey@gmail.com Subject: RE: WO9-8989 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:44:42 -0400 Yes, Kenny Mayer's phone number on the one-way line. Do you remember when he tried the phone lines to include the caller on the air? Kenny tried it and canned it in his inimitable manner. Paul Sandwich > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:39:41 -0500 > Subject: WO9-8989 > From: kvahey@gmail.com > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > For many of us on this list you know what I am referring to :) > > Those of us who enjoyed radio in Boston at night back then have huge > shared memories but if you talk to non-media people they have their > memories as well. > > If you were a night person AM was your friend. There was no late night > TV past 2:30 AM after channel 4 ran some 40's movie. > > So in Boston we had > > 590- WEEI Music Till Dawn light classical > > 680 WNAC - I think they simulcast WOR > > 850 WHDH - Norm Nathan - I loved his intro music > > 1030 WBZ - Dick Summer > > 1150 WCOP - no recollection > > 1510 WMEX - Glick > > Sunday Night - early Monday it was Ken Mayer at 1600 and Norm at 850 > as everybody else was off air. WBZ signed off at Midnight on Sunday > and then would fire up the Allston back up. > > My point is Ken Mayer is known by a lot of non-radio people 40 years > later because it was him or Nathan. > > I miss those days. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device = From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Jun 3 10:54:33 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:54:33 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) In-Reply-To: <4C0733F3.21919.5AD4FD@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> <4C0733F3.21919.5AD4FD@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8CCD143D023AE2E-2510-14E80@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Mitchell used to make personal appearances in a VW Karmann-Ghia convertible plastered with WCOP stickers. One of these was in July of 1961 in Belmont Center. Many kids had heard about the appearance and were on hand when the WCOP-mobile pulled in with its radio blasting everybody's favorite Top 40 tunes. Mitchell tossed 45 RPM records out to the crowd like frisbees. Kids got most of 'em but a number weren't caught and smashed on the ground. I bet the Belmont cops loved that. It was an extremely hot and humid day to boot. The vast majority of the records were total dogs, stuff that never got played on the radio. So it didn't really matter if they got smashed, scratched, or melted I guess. This was likely WCOP's way of cleaning out its excess of records sent by labels (hoping for airplay they were not going to get). Despite the mob scene, the dog records, and the punishing heat of the day, all the kids had fun with this encounter with their favorite after-school jock. It turned out that the girl I would later marry was among the crowd in Belmont Center that day. She was 9 then. She and I didn't meet until 9 years later at a friend's party in Boston. Some time later we were talking about oldies and found out that we were both at the Eddie Mitchell grand tour of Belmont way back when. In another coincidence her name is Mary Lou and Ricky Nelson's "Hello Mary Lou" was a hit around the time of the Mitchell appearance. Not surprisingly, this was played at our wedding. Mark Connelly << On 2 Jun 2010 at 12:04, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > WCOP was very popular at the Brackett Elementary School where some > kids would use "rocket radios" (that didn't need batteries) to receive > its big signal by clipping onto metal classroom desks. That was bad > enough for the teachers then. Today we have iPods and smartphones - > no wonder teachers get frustrated! I remember having one of those. It was actually a modern-day crystal set. > WMEX and WBZ were of course also well-known then (ca. 1961) but WCOP > ruled the after-school hours with the Ed Mitchell show. He'd > progressively slow down and "kill" songs he didn't like such as the > weepy tragedy hit "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll, where the teen girl's > boyfriend gets zapped by lightning right before they were going to get > married. Mitchell inserted comedic Stan Freberg and Spike Jones audio > clips liberally in his shows, along with sound effects - dogs, > gunshots, trains, wolf-whistles, bedspring noises and so on - that > seemed the same as those on a Radio Shack sound effects / stereo demo > record I had. How he pulled off all this sound-bite tomfoolery before > computers and MP3 files I'll never know. I wish I had some airchecks > of his shows. Ginsburg gets all the acknowledgements - and he is > certainly due them - but few seem to remember Ed Mitchell of that same > era. Most likely this is because WCOP "went square" (as kids said) > sometime in '62 or early '63 I remember "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie MITCHELL" on WCOP. When WCOP "went square" (it was in the summer of 1962), that was when I first started listening to WMEX. The signal was good in Bedford in the daytime, but problematical at night. And what did I hear? The same guy who was Ed Mitchell on WCOP turned up as Fenway on WMEX, doing the same shtick! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: markwa1ion@aol.com Cc: boston Radio Group Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 12:47 am Subject: Re: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) On 2 Jun 2010 at 12:04, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > WCOP was very popular at the Brackett Elementary School where some > kids would use "rocket radios" (that didn't need batteries) to receive > its big signal by clipping onto metal classroom desks. That was bad > enough for the teachers then. Today we have iPods and smartphones - > no wonder teachers get frustrated! I remember having one of those. It was actually a modern-day crystal set. > WMEX and WBZ were of course also well-known then (ca. 1961) but WCOP > ruled the after-school hours with the Ed Mitchell show. He'd > progressively slow down and "kill" songs he didn't like such as the > weepy tragedy hit "Jimmy Love" by Cathy Carroll, where the teen girl's > boyfriend gets zapped by lightning right before they were going to get > married. Mitchell inserted comedic Stan Freberg and Spike Jones audio > clips liberally in his shows, along with sound effects - dogs, > gunshots, trains, wolf-whistles, bedspring noises and so on - that > seemed the same as those on a Radio Shack sound effects / stereo demo > record I had. How he pulled off all this sound-bite tomfoolery before > computers and MP3 files I'll never know. I wish I had some airchecks > of his shows. Ginsburg gets all the acknowledgements - and he is > certainly due them - but few seem to remember Ed Mitchell of that same > era. Most likely this is because WCOP "went square" (as kids said) > sometime in '62 or early '63 I remember "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie MITCHELL" on WCOP. When WCOP "went square" (it was in the summer of 1962), that was when I first started listening to WMEX. The signal was good in Bedford in the daytime, but problematical at night. And what did I hear? The same guy who was Ed Mitchell on WCOP turned up as Fenway on WMEX, doing the same shtick! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Jun 3 11:38:41 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:38:41 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: <4C072896.7020603@fybush.com> References: <680803.54966.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4C072896.7020603@fybush.com> Message-ID: My son's pediatrician works for that practice. We've been going there since he's been 2 1/2. B just turned 18 and has his final checkup there next month before going off to college. I'll ask the nurses if they get any weird radio calls. Chances are the voicemail chases most of them away... -Dave Tomm On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Peter Q. George wrote: >> WO9-8989 was the telephone number for you to call him, >> though he would not put any live calls on the air. Even into the >> 1980's, he still used that lettered telephone number up until he left >> the air. (Boston went all-numbered phone numbers in 1966). > > For what little it's worth, 617-969-8989 is now the number for the > pediatrics department at Newton-Wellesley. > > I wonder if they ever get calls for Ken? > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jun 4 00:46:37 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:46:37 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) In-Reply-To: <8CCD143D023AE2E-2510-14E80@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>, <4C0733F3.21919.5AD4FD@joe.attorneyross.com>, <8CCD143D023AE2E-2510-14E80@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C08852D.14792.7F70A2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jun 2010 at 10:54, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > Mitchell used to make personal appearances in a VW Karmann-Ghia > convertible plastered with WCOP stickers. One of these was in July of > 1961 in Belmont Center. Was "Bruno" with him? Does anyone know who Ed Mitchell, later Fenway, really was? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jun 4 01:00:29 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:00:29 -0400 Subject: WCOP (was: Boston Radio Studios) In-Reply-To: <4C08852D.14792.7F70A2@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <8CCD0845B15F011-22C0-8638@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> <4C0733F3.21919.5AD4FD@joe.attorneyross.com> <8CCD143D023AE2E-2510-14E80@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> <4C08852D.14792.7F70A2@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20100604050032.2C09416C94D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:46 AM 6/4/2010, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Does anyone know who Ed Mitchell, later Fenway, really was? I thought he was really a guy named Ed Hider. In addition to his time in Boston, he worked at a number of stations-- WINS, KYA, KFI, etc. He later went on to work in TV as a comedy writer and producer, I think. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 13:25:53 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Comcast and HD Message-ID: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Comcast is adding more local stations to the HD tier in the Boston market: 811 - WZMY (comming soon) 816 - WUNI 817 - WUTF Nothing I've seen on either Spanish station has been in HD today. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 4 13:47:48 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:47:48 -0400 Subject: Comcast and HD In-Reply-To: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Comcast is adding more local stations to the HD tier in the Boston market: > 811 - WZMY (comming soon) > 816 - WUNI > 817 - WUTF I got a notice that they were adding WENH as channel 801 a few months ago, but it hasn't shown up yet. Speaking of Comcast and HD, could they *please* buy an upconverter so that the local spots on HESN HD are in 1080i like the rest of the programming? It's so annoying to miss the beginning of every other inning while my TV readjusts from 720p to 1080i. -GAWollman From lspin@comcast.net Fri Jun 4 15:02:21 2010 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Comcast and HD In-Reply-To: <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000001cb0418$7653f110$62fbd330$@net> As of this week, we've got WENH (801), WUNI and WUTF (816,817) on Revere's Comcast. I still don't understand why you are required to buy the 'sports package' to receive TCM. Is there a statistic somewhere that shows sports fans to be exclusively old-movie fans, as well? -Lou < said: > Comcast is adding more local stations to the HD tier in the Boston market: > 811 - WZMY (comming soon) > 816 - WUNI > 817 - WUTF I got a notice that they were adding WENH as channel 801 a few months ago, but it hasn't shown up yet. Speaking of Comcast and HD, could they *please* buy an upconverter so that the local spots on HESN HD are in 1080i like the rest of the programming? It's so annoying to miss the beginning of every other inning while my TV readjusts from 720p to 1080i. -GAWollman From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Jun 4 15:53:26 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:53:26 -0400 Subject: Comcast and HD In-Reply-To: <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <9A37CC806A0A41948597EC57C1E07F3C@aeriema> They might be rolling out the new channels town by town depending on the upgrading of their system. In my town about two months ago the HD offerings increased dramatically. The HD channels start at 774 in my town and go up pretty solidly to past 900. WENH is indeed on Channel 801, but it is labeled as NHPTV. I wish Comcast would rationalize the channel numbers though...put all the news channels together, movie channels together, sports channels together, etc. The HD channels are even more randomly assigned than were the standard definition digital channels. Speaking of HD channels, can anyone offer a guess as to why WGBX broadcasts 4 standard definition channels, whereas WBPX broadcasts one semi-HD channel (720 p) and three standard definition channels? I should think most of the PBS material would benefit from the semi-HD treatment. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:48 PM To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Comcast and HD < said: > Comcast is adding more local stations to the HD tier in the Boston market: > 811 - WZMY (comming soon) > 816 - WUNI > 817 - WUTF I got a notice that they were adding WENH as channel 801 a few months ago, but it hasn't shown up yet. Speaking of Comcast and HD, could they *please* buy an upconverter so that the local spots on HESN HD are in 1080i like the rest of the programming? It's so annoying to miss the beginning of every other inning while my TV readjusts from 720p to 1080i. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jun 4 16:06:29 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:06:29 -0400 Subject: Comcast and HD In-Reply-To: <9A37CC806A0A41948597EC57C1E07F3C@aeriema> References: <201610.62069.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19465.15428.350331.592754@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <9A37CC806A0A41948597EC57C1E07F3C@aeriema> Message-ID: <19465.23749.960694.954874@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Speaking of HD channels, can anyone offer a guess as to why WGBX broadcasts > 4 standard definition channels, whereas WBPX broadcasts one semi-HD channel > (720 p) and three standard definition channels? I should think most of the > PBS material would benefit from the semi-HD treatment. 44 is really an afterthought for them, is the only conclusion I can come to. I suspect the whole air chain for all four services is 480i, given how much of the programming is postage-stamped. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 22:20:06 2010 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WZMY Chan 50.2 Derry NH now separate teaser loop for Universal Sport Message-ID: <526205.965.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I noticed as of about 12:01am this morning that WZMY? Chan 50.2 Derry NH is now showing a separate teaser loop for Universal Sports, no longer simulcasting 50.1 John B From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 7 21:20:52 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:20:52 -0500 Subject: Dr Demento pulls the plag Message-ID: When WLUP Chicago cancelled him that was it http://chicagoradioandmedia.com/news/640-dr-demento-ends-his-40-year-old-radio-show We can blame him for a certain holiday song sung by Elmo and Patsy From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jun 9 19:23:15 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:23:15 -0400 Subject: Former WBUR Jazz DJ Tony Cennamo Passes Message-ID: The Boston Globe reports that former WBUR DJ Tony Cennamo passed away on Tuesday at the age of 76. Cennamo first came to WBUR in 1972 hosting a weekly jazz show which became a daily morning show in 1974. His show later moved to late nights, where it remained until 1997. Prior to his WBUR gig, he hosted a talk show on WCAS in Cambridge. Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/06/tony_cennamo_76.html Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jun 9 19:34:13 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:34:13 -0400 Subject: WBZ AccuWeather Message-ID: <12765404653F4EA791D658F1D89E1BF9@Mark> I've noticed over the last week or so, especially on weekdays, on the few occasions I've tuned in WBZ radio at the top or bottom of the hour to catch the news, I've heard the weather forecast tease from WBZ AccuWeather meteorologist Barry Burbank, Joe Joyce, or Melissa Mack, all of whom are on WBZ-TV, who of late has been touting the AccuWeather forecasts on the TV newscasts. At other times on the radio side you still hear the AccuWeather regulars: Elliot Abrams, Joe Sobel, etc. Anyone know why the TV side has AccuWeather forecasts, and is this why the radio side is using the TV folks along with the other AccuWeather forecasters? Mark Watson From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jun 10 00:51:29 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:51:29 -0400 Subject: Former WBUR Jazz DJ Tony Cennamo Passes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C106F51.30625.884C84@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Jun 2010 at 19:23, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Globe reports that former WBUR DJ Tony Cennamo passed > away on > Tuesday at the age of 76. Cennamo first came to WBUR in 1972 hosting a > weekly jazz show which became a daily morning show in 1974. His show > later moved to late nights, where it remained until 1997. Prior to his > WBUR gig, he hosted a talk show on WCAS in Cambridge. I remember him at WCAS. I think he was also PD for awhile. I went to see him when I was looking for a summer job in the late 1960s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jun 10 01:25:53 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:25:53 -0400 Subject: WBZ AccuWeather In-Reply-To: <12765404653F4EA791D658F1D89E1BF9@Mark> References: <12765404653F4EA791D658F1D89E1BF9@Mark> Message-ID: <19472.30561.690991.608919@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've noticed over the last week or so, especially on weekdays, on the few > occasions I've tuned in WBZ radio at the top or bottom of the hour to catch > the news, I've heard the weather forecast tease from WBZ AccuWeather > meteorologist Barry Burbank, Joe Joyce, or Melissa Mack, all of whom are on > WBZ-TV, who of late has been touting the AccuWeather forecasts on the TV > newscasts. I noticed that last week, but never got around to posting about it. Near as I can tell, it's only during the "Midday News"; during other dayparts I've heard the same people (well, at least Barry "Hairicane" Burbank[1]) do regular news segments without the AccuWeather moniker, with the regular guys from State College doing the "Weather on the 10's" segments. Not sure why TV felt the need to rebrand their weather -- I suppose they figured it would lend some credibility when they're putting people on at 6 and 11 who didn't bring any to the job. -GAWollman [1] Unfair, since some of the State College guys seem to have trouble with one-syllable words like "eat" (as in the digit), never mind the six-syllable name of their profession. Ex-WLVI weekender Barbara Conrad would tell us it was going to be "hazy, hut, and humid". Maybe strange pronunciation is a requirement for being a broadcast meteorologist. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jun 10 21:49:35 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:49:35 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road Message-ID: Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near Elkhart, Indiana -- Sent from my mobile device From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jun 11 06:03:01 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:03:01 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DB5D2C3-1F8A-4775-9400-58F35D555EC6@charter.net> Meanwhile I lost the Celtics right around the Southboro line on Route 9 as usual. Flipped to 103.7 until Westborough, then to WTAG for the rest of the ride home. This is ridiculous! Note to Entercom....I don't care what it costs, buy out the Carberry's for goodness sake! -Dave Tomm On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near > Elkhart, Indiana > > -- > Sent from my mobile device From mward@iname.com Fri Jun 11 09:27:05 2010 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:27:05 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perfect spot for it. At night, WKNR/850 Cleveland has to restrict its pattern to the west due to KOA in Denver, and KOA doesn't quite make it to Indiana. During the day, WKNR actually is potent to the west. It is more powerful than any local radio station in Sandusky! Elkhart IN is also far enough away from Raleigh that you can get Boston there as opposed to WPTF in Raleigh. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near > Elkhart, Indiana > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jun 11 10:57:14 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:57:14 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road References: Message-ID: If WEEI was on night pattern (which it should have been at any time during the C's game last night), and the pattern was in adjustment, it is difficult to imagine it booming in 750 miles to its west. WEEI is supposed to send the equivalent of less than 100W in that direction at night. Could Entercom be taking a cue from the co-channel station in Penn Yan NY(WYLF), which is supposed to run 45W at night but was heard all over the Northeast and Eastern Canada for many years--even after the FCC issued a warning? Or was this a case of the "playoffs STA" that the FCC has been rumored to allow to AMs in big and small markets that carry sporting events of major importance to listeners in their markets? Of course, it could also have been an example of freak propagation conditions; I've never heard other reports of Entercom stations violating the terms of their licenses. The report of local reception last night being no different from normal in MetroWest suggests freak propagation (which conceivably could affect the skywave without affecting the groundwave). But then there is the report of WEEI being heard routinely at night west of Cleveland OH. That one REALLY puzzles me. A signal equivalent to 100W routinely being heard ~500 miles away on today's crowded AM band may not be impossible but it certainly seems freakish. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road > Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near > Elkhart, Indiana > > -- > Sent from my mobile device From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 11 11:31:22 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:31:22 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I at first thought it was 850 from Cleveland but then I realized it was the Celtics announcers Then I checked 680 and there was Joe doing the Sox Now in Utica at 11:30 AM and the mighty 1030 is bombing in as usual from 250 miles away On 6/11/10, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If WEEI was on night pattern (which it should have been at any time > during the C's game last night), and the pattern was in adjustment, it > is difficult to imagine it booming in 750 miles to its west. WEEI is > supposed to send the equivalent of less than 100W in that direction at > night. Could Entercom be taking a cue from the co-channel station in > Penn Yan NY(WYLF), which is supposed to run 45W at night but was heard > all over the Northeast and Eastern Canada for many years--even after > the FCC issued a warning? Or was this a case of the "playoffs STA" > that the FCC has been rumored to allow to AMs in big and small markets > that carry sporting events of major importance to listeners in their > markets? Of course, it could also have been an example of freak > propagation conditions; I've never heard other reports of Entercom > stations violating the terms of their licenses. > > The report of local reception last night being no different from > normal in MetroWest suggests freak propagation (which conceivably > could affect the skywave without affecting the groundwave). But then > there is the report of WEEI being heard routinely at night west of > Cleveland OH. That one REALLY puzzles me. A signal equivalent to 100W > routinely being heard ~500 miles away on today's crowded AM band may > not be impossible but it certainly seems freakish. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:49 PM > Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road > > >> Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near >> Elkhart, Indiana >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device > > -- Sent from my mobile device From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jun 11 11:50:14 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:50:14 -0500 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan I KNOW you were seriously kidding about "playoffs STA". Ive had stranger reception of Am stations before.. just recently, one from down south which I KNEW was on night power and the lobe isnt directed right in my direction anyways... stranger things have happened. Paul On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If WEEI was on night pattern (which it should have been at any time > during the C's game last night), and the pattern was in adjustment, it > is difficult to imagine it booming in 750 miles to its west. WEEI is > supposed to send the equivalent of less than 100W in that direction at > night. Could Entercom be taking a cue from the co-channel station in > Penn Yan NY(WYLF), which is supposed to run 45W at night but was heard > all over the Northeast and Eastern Canada for many years--even after > the FCC issued a warning? Or was this a case of the "playoffs STA" > that the FCC has been rumored to allow to AMs in big and small markets > that carry sporting events of major importance to listeners in their > markets? Of course, it could also have been an example of freak > propagation conditions; I've never heard other reports of Entercom > stations violating the terms of their licenses. > > The report of local reception last night being no different from > normal in MetroWest suggests freak propagation (which conceivably > could affect the skywave without affecting the groundwave). But then > there is the report of WEEI being heard routinely at night west of > Cleveland OH. That one REALLY puzzles me. A signal equivalent to 100W > routinely being heard ~500 miles away on today's crowded AM band may > not be impossible but it certainly seems freakish. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:49 PM > Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road > > > Both the Red Sox on 680 and the Celtics on 850 are bombing in near >> Elkhart, Indiana >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jun 11 13:09:24 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:09:24 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: <4C12692D.40801@fybush.com> References: <4C12692D.40801@fybush.com> Message-ID: I m sorry - catch me on way back :) Did stop to see High Falls this morning. On 6/11/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I at first thought it was 850 from Cleveland but then I realized it >> was the Celtics announcers >> >> Then I checked 680 and there was Joe doing the Sox >> >> Now in Utica at 11:30 AM and the mighty 1030 is bombing in as usual >> from 250 miles away > > Sheesh, Kevin...you drive right past Rochester and don't even give me a > chance to buy you breakfast? :) > > s > -- Sent from my mobile device From scott@fybush.com Fri Jun 11 12:49:49 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:49:49 -0400 Subject: On the Indiana Toll Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C12692D.40801@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I at first thought it was 850 from Cleveland but then I realized it > was the Celtics announcers > > Then I checked 680 and there was Joe doing the Sox > > Now in Utica at 11:30 AM and the mighty 1030 is bombing in as usual > from 250 miles away Sheesh, Kevin...you drive right past Rochester and don't even give me a chance to buy you breakfast? :) s From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Jun 14 11:11:21 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: Created My LinkedIn Page Message-ID: I have no expectations what this will do, but thought I'd give it a shot. All are welcome to join Thanks gang, Ted http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ted-larsen/22/227/439 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 15 07:54:28 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:54:28 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO Message-ID: <20100615075428.r44ysz76y6hc8g0w@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Just curious: Has the recent demise of Montreal's CINF affected the night signal of WRKO in any significant way in the western suburbs of Boston as well as points north and farther west? I know Kevin said 'RKO came in loud and clear during his recent trek through Indiana, but I'm talking New England, in parts of which 690 used to blast 'RKO away at night. -Doug From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 15 10:41:48 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:41:48 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO References: <20100615075428.r44ysz76y6hc8g0w@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: Unlike CBF, which was ND-U from a tower whose efficiency probably met the requirements for a US Class A, CINF used minimally efficient towers and was directional to the north, albeit not strongly. (Canada does not seem to require the higher efficiency of its Class As that the US requires, but some, such as CJBC and CFZM, meet it anyhow.) Because of the DA, CINF's signal to the south was not even quite equal to 10 kW ND from towers of minimum Class B efficiency. During the period when Montreal's legacy Class A signals (that is 690 and 940) were off the air, co-channel and first-adjacent AMs in the US got a nice free ride on interference, but even when CINF and CINW returned, things were a lot better for the US stations than they had been in the days of CBF and CBM. I wonder if the US stations' NIF values were ever recalculated. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO > Just curious: Has the recent demise of Montreal's CINF affected the > night signal of WRKO in any significant way in the western suburbs > of Boston as well as points north and farther west? I know Kevin > said 'RKO came in loud and clear during his recent trek through > Indiana, but I'm talking New England, in parts of which 690 used to > blast 'RKO away at night. -Doug > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 15 10:46:34 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:46:34 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO Message-ID: <20100615104634.481jcjlmwzokoo08@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I didn't realize that CINF wasn't using the old CBF tower. Why? Quoting "Dan.Strassberg" : > Unlike CBF, which was ND-U from a tower whose efficiency probably met > the requirements for a US Class A, CINF used minimally efficient > towers and was directional to the north, albeit not strongly. (Canada > does not seem to require the higher efficiency of its Class As that > the US requires, but some, such as CJBC and CFZM, meet it anyhow.) > Because of the DA, CINF's signal to the south was not even quite equal > to 10 kW ND from towers of minimum Class B efficiency. During the > period when Montreal's legacy Class A signals (that is 690 and 940) > were off the air, co-channel and first-adjacent AMs in the US got a > nice free ride on interference, but even when CINF and CINW returned, > things were a lot better for the US stations than they had been in the > days of CBF and CBM. I wonder if the US stations' NIF values were ever > recalculated. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "=?utf-8?b??=" > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:54 AM > Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO > > > > Just curious: Has the recent demise of Montreal's CINF affected the > > night signal of WRKO in any significant way in the western suburbs > > of Boston as well as points north and farther west? I know Kevin > > said 'RKO came in loud and clear during his recent trek through > > Indiana, but I'm talking New England, in parts of which 690 used to > > blast 'RKO away at night. -Doug > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jun 15 10:52:35 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:52:35 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO In-Reply-To: <20100615104634.481jcjlmwzokoo08@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100615104634.481jcjlmwzokoo08@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4C1793B3.1000300@fybush.com> On 6/15/2010 10:46 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > I didn't realize that CINF wasn't using the old CBF tower. Why? I don't believe CBC wanted to sell that site, and they probably wanted to charge more for rent than Corus was willing to pay. And since Corus already owned the CFCF/CIQC site at Kahnawahke, it evidently made economic sense to them to put 690/940 at a site they already owned. (Their other owned AM site, the CKVL 850 site south of Montreal, was eventually sold off and I believe now has housing on it.) s From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jun 15 11:07:28 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:07:28 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO Message-ID: <20100615110728.g4khf4bjdezo04cs@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Has the CBF tower been razed? And what about CBM's? -Doug Quoting Scott Fybush : > On 6/15/2010 10:46 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > > I didn't realize that CINF wasn't using the old CBF tower. Why? > > I don't believe CBC wanted to sell that site, and they probably wanted > to charge more for rent than Corus was willing to pay. And since Corus > already owned the CFCF/CIQC site at Kahnawahke, it evidently made > economic sense to them to put 690/940 at a site they already owned. > > (Their other owned AM site, the CKVL 850 site south of Montreal, was > eventually sold off and I believe now has housing on it.) > > s > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jun 15 12:58:02 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO In-Reply-To: <20100615110728.g4khf4bjdezo04cs@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100615110728.g4khf4bjdezo04cs@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4C17B11A.9040006@fybush.com> On 6/15/2010 11:07 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > Has the CBF tower been razed? And what about CBM's? -Doug It's been a few years since I've been up that way, but my understanding is that the site still stands. It was a two-tower array - CBM used both towers for its directional pattern, while CBF used only the big tower for its non-DA signal. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 15 13:36:38 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:36:38 -0400 Subject: CINF 690 and WRKO References: <20100615110728.g4khf4bjdezo04cs@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4C17B11A.9040006@fybush.com> Message-ID: <531D1287B1484CA9B06E4C41D0EE158A@SatU205S5044> CBM was directional (officially DA-2, but really DA-1) although its pattern was almost circular (equivalent power behind the pattern--to the south--was ~30 kW, IIRC). CINW was also nominally DA-2 but actually DA-1. It sent the equivalent of ~10 kW to the south. You might call the pattern sort of cigar shaped with maxima to the east and west. CBF was ND; Like CINW, CINF was nominally DA-2 but actually DA-1. It sent the equivalent of ~8 kW ND to the south. The pattern was sort of kidney shaped with a broad, shallow minimum to the south. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: CINF 690 and WRKO > On 6/15/2010 11:07 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >> Has the CBF tower been razed? And what about CBM's? -Doug > > It's been a few years since I've been up that way, but my > understanding is that the site still stands. > > It was a two-tower array - CBM used both towers for its directional > pattern, while CBF used only the big tower for its non-DA signal. > > s From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 15 17:23:51 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:23:51 -0400 Subject: Synchronous AM Stations In HI Message-ID: <8CCDAE82F49C149-B80-10B4D@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> Move over WLLH-AM Lowell & Lawrence: in today's (06/15) FCC Actions, KIPA-AM 1060 in Hilo, HI received the gummint's ok to set up an "experimental" synchronous station in Captain Cook, HI on the Island of Hawaii, not to be confused with the name of the State. Let's see...WLLH in Lawrence was designated as "experimental" from the first Depression until the one we're sort of having now. In a sense, WLLH's Lawrence didn't exist as far as V-Soft.com was concerned for several years. Then when the FCC decided WLLH in Lawrence was an actual station, V-Soft's reading for WLLH's Lawrence stick skyrocketed. Have any other "synchronous" stations come along in the past few years, and are they ACTUAL stations or are they "experimental" too? From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jun 15 21:10:11 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:10:11 -0400 Subject: Talk show host Rennie sentenced to 7 years Message-ID: <02d101cb0cf0$ab700240$025006c0$@com> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2010/06/talk_show_host.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 15 23:23:48 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:23:48 -0400 Subject: WBZ On-Audio Question Message-ID: <4C1843C4.7030204@ttlc.net> Over the last 2 weeks or so, I've notice the beginnings of many commercials, news actualities & other assorted playbacks being potted up after they start playing. They just sort of fade-in. Anybody know if there's been an equipment change or operating directive that would cause this? It's annoying. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jun 15 23:30:01 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:30:01 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ Message-ID: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> Last week, I heard 2 new spots from Legal Seafood on WBZ - both voiced by Roger Berkowitz. IMHO, both were quite sarcastic & mean-spirited. 1. "If you go to a party and they serve lobster that isn't fresh - leave. And break something on the way out - I would." 2. "If your friend serves you halibut that isn't fresh - then he isn't really a friend. Go ahead, hit on his sister." Made me wonder "Roger - What were you thinking?" I haven't heard them run this week, so far. Wonder if they dropped them? Anybody on this list hear them on BZ or any other station? From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jun 16 00:38:11 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:38:11 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ In-Reply-To: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> References: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4C185533.13270.8A15CA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Jun 2010 at 23:30, Roger Kirk wrote: > 1. "If you go to a party and they serve lobster that isn't fresh - > leave. And break something on the way out - I would." 2. "If your > friend serves you halibut that isn't fresh - then he isn't really a > friend. Go ahead, hit on his sister." ... > Anybody on this list hear them on BZ or any other station? I've heard the "hit on his sister" one. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 08:18:42 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ In-Reply-To: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> References: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <368303.30368.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I can tell you that behind the scenes there has been?issues between their marketing department and ad agency. From attychase@comcast.net Wed Jun 16 13:30:16 2010 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:30:16 -0400 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 References: Message-ID: <3896C00DCAB04D0BA6EC9697A270B9C4@HOMEOFFICE> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Maureen Carney > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ > Message-ID: <368303.30368.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I can tell you that behind the scenes there has been?issues between their > marketing department and ad agency. > From attychase@comcast.net Wed Jun 16 13:40:55 2010 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:40:55 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 References: Message-ID: I apologize for the previous blank send. I hit "send" instead of spelling in the course of composing it. What I wanted to say is that there is a weird or maybe a bunch of weird ad agencies out there that seem to have hired "abusers" as their copy writers. The current Volkswagen commercial with the people hitting their companions when they see a Volkswagen product and the now hopefully discontinued Castrol Scottish think with your dip stick assaulter come to mind. The Hanes commercial is close with their insulting commercials. I think someone did a focus group and figured out that that was a way to reach the a#$H)#% crowd. Either that or some ad agency has been taken over by sadist and their is some demographic that tells them it reaches the crowd they are aiming it at. Anybody got any better insight? > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Maureen Carney > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ > Message-ID: <368303.30368.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I can tell you that behind the scenes there has been?issues between their > marketing department and ad agency. > From sid@wrko.com Wed Jun 16 14:16:55 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:16:55 -0600 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5540BBF110@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "there is a weird or maybe a bunch of weird ad agencies out there that seem to have hired "abusers" as their copy writers. The current Volkswagen commercial with the people hitting their companions when they see a Volkswagen product and the now hopefully discontinued Castrol Scottish think with your dip stick assaulter come to mind. The Hanes commercial is close with their insulting commercials. I think someone did a focus group and figured out that that was a way to reach the a#$H)#% crowd. Either that or some ad agency has been taken over by sadist and their is some demographic that tells them it reaches the crowd they are aiming it at. Anybody got any better insight?" Listen to Opie & Anthony, or any of their spawn, for five to ten minutes and you'll see why this is done. Abuse and humiliation are apparently what today's young people think is funny and gets their attention. The VW ad, however, is not in that category. It's showing what is actually a very old children's game, typically played on a long car trip. (Note the musical accompaniment: the theme from The Andy Griffith Show, plainly meant to evoke an earlier era.) Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 14:28:02 2010 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:28:02 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 References: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5540BBF110@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: > "there is a weird or maybe a bunch of weird ad agencies out there that > seem to have hired "abusers" as their copy writers. Didn't Legal Seafoods do an ad campaign on buses in order to proclaim their fish was fresh...had had fishes with balloons over their head with a smarmy remark? I seem to recall a few people were put out by some of the "fresh" comments. From mrschuyler@aol.com Wed Jun 16 12:43:02 2010 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:43:02 -0400 Subject: Synchronous AM Stations In HI Message-ID: <8CCDB8A1F2B3F00-D7C-D6C@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> "Move over WLLH-AM Lowell & Lawrence..... KIPA-AM 1060 in Hilo, HI received the gummint's ok to set up an "experimental" synchronous station in Captain Cook, HI. ..... Have any other "synchronous" stations come along in the past few years, and are they ACTUAL stations or are they 'experimental' too?" Remember Fairbanks, the company that owned the old WVBF (FM) Framingham? They also owned WJNO 1230 West Palm Beach, FL. (Today it's WBZT.) In 1995, they got permission to add a repeater in Pompano Beach. Apparently, it's a very long, ongoing "experiment." From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jun 16 14:10:58 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:10:58 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCDB966621E793-B10-1A73B@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert S Chase >To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org >Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm >Subject: Re: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 >I apologize for the previous blank send. I hit "send" instead of spelling in the course of composing it. >What I wanted to say is that there is a weird or maybe a bunch of weird ad >agencies out there that seem to have hired "abusers" as their copy writers. The current Volkswagen commercial with the people hitting their companions when they see a Volkswagen >product and the now hopefully discontinued Castrol Scottish think with your dip stick assaulter come to mind. The Hanes commercial is close with their insulting commercials. I think >someone did a focus group and figured out that that was a way to reach the a#$H)#% crowd. Either that or some ad agency has been taken over by sadist and their is some >demographic that tells them it reaches the crowd they are aiming it at. Anybody got any better insight? I suspect that Roger Berkowitz is comfortable with the idea of "negative advertising". For some time, his radio spots have employed a touch of humor while denigrating unnamed competitors. An actor, sometime with a French accent, is heard saying "we serve only the freshest seafood", followed by a klaxon, after which he says "ok, we serve seafood" followed by a bell. An on and on it goes. Legal runs some underwriting messages on allclassical995, since WCRB was bought by WGBH, and these observe the restraints on such messages. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jun 16 16:08:07 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ In-Reply-To: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> References: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4C192F27.3040403@gmail.com> On 6/15/2010 11:30 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Last week, I heard 2 new spots from Legal Seafood on WBZ - both voiced > by Roger Berkowitz. > > IMHO, both were quite sarcastic & mean-spirited. > I agree. If someone serves you something out of kindness, receive it in the same spirit! Berkowitz may be getting ahead of himself with that spot-run. It may be a hiccup. Only time with tell. Bill O'Neill From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Jun 16 21:09:48 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:09:48 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 black screen Message-ID: <03c901cb0db9$c834de90$589e9bb0$@com> Channel 4 must have caught the Channel 7 virus - they went black for 5 minutes tonight from 8:55 til 9 or so. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 22:07:29 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Channel 4 black screen In-Reply-To: <03c901cb0db9$c834de90$589e9bb0$@com> References: <03c901cb0db9$c834de90$589e9bb0$@com> Message-ID: <407906.93987.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Must be contagious - B101 in Providence had dead air tonight @ 7 instead of Tom Kent's syndicated show. ________________________________ From: Gary's Ice Cream To: Boston radio e-mail list Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 9:09:48 PM Subject: Channel 4 black screen Channel 4 must have caught the Channel 7 virus - they went black for 5 minutes tonight from 8:55 til 9 or so. From adamg@universalhub.com Wed Jun 16 22:57:37 2010 From: adamg@universalhub.com (Adam Gaffin) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:57:37 -0400 Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ re Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 156 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C198F21.90006@universalhub.com> The Volkswagen ads are an attempt to co-opt the longstanding slugbug/punch buggy game. They're obnoxious because a) Yeah, they show people landing serious punches and b) The real game applies only to Beetles, not Mercedes wannabes with stupid names. -- Adam > What I wanted to say is that there is a weird or maybe a bunch of weird > ad agencies out there that seem to have hired "abusers" as their copy > writers. The current Volkswagen commercial with the people hitting their > companions when they see a Volkswagen product and the now hopefully > discontinued Castrol Scottish think with your dip stick assaulter come > to mind. The Hanes commercial is close with their insulting commercials. > I think someone did a focus group and figured out that that was a way to > reach the a#$H)#% crowd. Either that or some ad agency has been taken > over by sadist and their is some demographic that tells them it reaches > the crowd they are aiming it at. Anybody got any better insight? > >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Maureen Carney >> To: Boston Radio Group >> Subject: Re: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ >> Message-ID: <368303.30368.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I can tell you that behind the scenes there has been?issues between >> their marketing department and ad agency. >> > > > From irw@well.com Wed Jun 16 23:52:29 2010 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Legal Seafood Spots On WBZ In-Reply-To: <4C192F27.3040403@gmail.com> References: <4C184539.10502@ttlc.net> <4C192F27.3040403@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Roger Berkowitz. Are Roger Berkowitz and the programming consultant Gary Berkowitz related? - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 19 21:21:35 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:21:35 -0400 Subject: last call for photos Message-ID: <20100620012131.35D6E222AFF@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> My deadline is fast approaching and I don't wanna miss including anyone in my new pictorial history of Boston radio & TV -- to be published by Arcadia Press. It's radio pictures I really need more of, so if you were on the air -- disc jockey, newscaster, weather reporter, traffic reporter, sports reporter, etc-- in the greater Boston area for at least 5 years, I'd love to include you. To do so, I need a scanned photo of you-- at least 300 dpi, preferably 10 inches in width, but I can live with 8. A few of you have sent them along, for which I thank you. If you haven't yet, or you know somebody who ought to be included, please get in touch! Thanks. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jun 19 21:29:41 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:29:41 -0400 Subject: last call for photos In-Reply-To: <20100620012131.35D6E222AFF@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100620012131.35D6E222AFF@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: So what will be on the cover? BTW don't forget Bob Starr who was channel 4's first fulltime sportscaster starting in 1966 - also did the Patriots on WBZ Radio for 4 years - Gil did color and then he came back in the 90's to do the Red Sox on WRKO replacing Ken Coleman. On 6/19/10, Donna Halper wrote: > My deadline is fast approaching and I don't wanna miss including > anyone in my new pictorial history of Boston radio & TV -- to be > published by Arcadia Press. It's radio pictures I really need more > of, so if you were on the air -- disc jockey, newscaster, weather > reporter, traffic reporter, sports reporter, etc-- in the greater > Boston area for at least 5 years, I'd love to include you. To do so, > I need a scanned photo of you-- at least 300 dpi, preferably 10 > inches in width, but I can live with 8. A few of you have sent them > along, for which I thank you. If you haven't yet, or you know > somebody who ought to be included, please get in touch! Thanks. > > From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Jun 20 22:31:18 2010 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:31:18 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 Message-ID: Memos from Monique: "Sunday night midnight, Monday morning, call it what you will. We sit back, unwind, unbutton unzip, if it's too tight, take if off who the hell's gonna see you at this hour. Have a drink, a pop, a snort, a chaser, what have you. Me, I'm having ice coffee. See [tinkle tinkle] "We wanna get off and running tonight by telling you about the Kenmore Club Complex, dead in the heart of Kenmore Square, Lucifer, Katy and, for the more sophisticated of the sippers, Yesterday" "Now a word for Ken's, Ken's at Copley, Ken's in the heart of Copley Square, Ken's directly across from the Sheraton Copley Hotel. That where to head, whether it's a drink, a pop, a sandwich, a snack or a full course dinner. Look for me, I'm on the late night menu." "Hello. Yeah. Yeah. No we just played him lst week. No I gotta give him a rest. Yeah. Yeah. Bye:" "We're keeping the commercials brief tonight, just a mention of the sponsor. Hey what the hell, it's ten bucks a pop. Everybody knows that, we have no secrets. So just a brief mention and Lots of Comedy" "Ran into my good friend Ben Sack..." "We'll be here as long as your calls keep coming, at one and the same number. WO9....89............89. How bout some comedy from one of those fresh young comedians. Here's Godfrey Cambridge." From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Jun 20 23:11:49 2010 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:11:49 -0400 Subject: last call for photos Message-ID: I hope the cover has been settled. For the life of me I can't think of any historic figure that fills that bill for Boston broadcasting more than the Shawmut Nightly News Teller, Arch MacDonald (with or without the keg of nails.) From radio in 1936, through the birth of television, into the 80s and the CATV revolution. A pioneer in a business where that term is tossed around far too easily. WBZ, WBZ-TV, WKBG, WNAC, WCVB, WRKO. I can't even think of a second choice. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 20 23:52:47 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:52:47 -0400 Subject: last call for photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100621035244.A32291B4008@relay19.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:11 PM 6/20/2010, Bill Smith wrote: >I hope the cover has been settled. For the life of me I can't think >of any historic figure that fills that bill for Boston broadcasting >more than the Shawmut Nightly News Teller, Arch MacDonald (with or >without the keg of nails.) For me, the front cover is Arnie Ginsburg, my cultural hero, the guy who inspired me to go into radio. The back cover is still up for discussion-- and Arch was one of the gentlemen of broadcasting, btw. And Bill, weren't YOU on the air in Boston? From lspin@comcast.net Sun Jun 20 23:54:30 2010 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:54:30 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201cb10f5$7432cf70$5c986e50$@net> That is SO great! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill Smith Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:31 PM Subject: RE: WO9-8989 Memos from Monique: "Sunday night midnight, Monday morning, call it what you will. We sit back, unwind, unbutton unzip, if it's too tight, take if off who the hell's gonna see you at this hour. Have a drink, a pop, a snort, a chaser, what have you. Me, I'm having ice coffee. See [tinkle tinkle] "We wanna get off and running tonight by telling you about the Kenmore Club Complex, dead in the heart of Kenmore Square, Lucifer, Katy and, for the more sophisticated of the sippers, Yesterday" "Now a word for Ken's, Ken's at Copley, Ken's in the heart of Copley Square, Ken's directly across from the Sheraton Copley Hotel. That where to head, whether it's a drink, a pop, a sandwich, a snack or a full course dinner. Look for me, I'm on the late night menu." "Hello. Yeah. Yeah. No we just played him lst week. No I gotta give him a rest. Yeah. Yeah. Bye:" "We're keeping the commercials brief tonight, just a mention of the sponsor. Hey what the hell, it's ten bucks a pop. Everybody knows that, we have no secrets. So just a brief mention and Lots of Comedy" "Ran into my good friend Ben Sack..." "We'll be here as long as your calls keep coming, at one and the same number. WO9....89............89. How bout some comedy from one of those fresh young comedians. Here's Godfrey Cambridge." From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 17:38:18 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:38:18 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant Message-ID: Just curious - could CJAD ask to move to the better freq? I doubt CKGM would bother From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 19:24:10 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:24:10 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> Message-ID: So I could hear Habs radio in the car and not on XM??? BTW are XM and Sirus still separate in Canada? Used to listen to the CJAD simulcast out of Sherbrooke but that is long gone On 6/21/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Just curious - could CJAD ask to move to the better freq? >> >> I doubt CKGM would bother >> > > CJAD could ask, but there's no real reason for them to spend the money. > The 800 signal is just fine (and then some) over all of Montreal's Anglo > population, and CJAD owns its own transmitter site. > > CJAD works just fine on 800. Why fix it? > > s > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 21 19:09:44 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:09:44 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Just curious - could CJAD ask to move to the better freq? > > I doubt CKGM would bother > CJAD could ask, but there's no real reason for them to spend the money. The 800 signal is just fine (and then some) over all of Montreal's Anglo population, and CJAD owns its own transmitter site. CJAD works just fine on 800. Why fix it? s From scott@fybush.com Mon Jun 21 20:21:26 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:21:26 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > So I could hear Habs radio in the car and not on XM??? When CJAD finds a way to generate revenue from your listening south of the border, then they might care about the signal improvement that a move to 940 would bring in New England. Until then, one can argue that CJAD actually does better in its target market on 800 than it would on 940. CJAD's 50 kW on 800 is concentrated in a relatively tight directional pattern over Montreal; if it went to 940 with the looser DA that CINW used, it would actually have a lower field strength over most of the Anglo population up there! s From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 20:40:45 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:40:45 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Message-ID: I have a soft spot for 940 - Danny Gallivan doing the Habs I will admit I would listen to 940 shutdown at 1 and then catch 740 10 minutes later On 6/21/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> So I could hear Habs radio in the car and not on XM??? > > When CJAD finds a way to generate revenue from your listening south of > the border, then they might care about the signal improvement that a > move to 940 would bring in New England. > > Until then, one can argue that CJAD actually does better in its target > market on 800 than it would on 940. CJAD's 50 kW on 800 is concentrated > in a relatively tight directional pattern over Montreal; if it went to > 940 with the looser DA that CINW used, it would actually have a lower > field strength over most of the Anglo population up there! > > s > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 21:10:04 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Message-ID: Now how does the treaty work Could the US say to Canada we would like to help our stations while these freqs are vacant but of course you can have them back. I know CKLW starts coming in at night at the Quebec/Ontario border by Cornwall. But CJAD could then reach the eastern townships at night. For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et all to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. On 6/21/10, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have a soft spot for 940 - Danny Gallivan doing the Habs > > I will admit I would listen to 940 shutdown at 1 and then catch 740 10 > minutes later > > On 6/21/10, Scott Fybush wrote: >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> So I could hear Habs radio in the car and not on XM??? >> >> When CJAD finds a way to generate revenue from your listening south of >> the border, then they might care about the signal improvement that a >> move to 940 would bring in New England. >> >> Until then, one can argue that CJAD actually does better in its target >> market on 800 than it would on 940. CJAD's 50 kW on 800 is concentrated >> in a relatively tight directional pattern over Montreal; if it went to >> 940 with the looser DA that CINW used, it would actually have a lower >> field strength over most of the Anglo population up there! >> >> s >> > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 21 21:25:12 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:25:12 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et all > to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid it. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 21 20:57:46 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:57:46 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044> Even at night, when 800 runs 10 kW and 940 ran 50 kW? Also, although CKLW protects CJAD, the null appears to be mis-aimed by a few degreees to the north, with the result that CJAD must receive quite a strong skywave from Windsor (the equivalent of more than 25 kW ND). Given that peculiarity, I find it hard to imagine that 800's NIF is anywhere near as low as 940's. The CJAD array is also kind of an enigma. 195-degree towers but with nighttime efficiency more approprate for 155 degrees. Suggests design problems. Also, I suspect that most owners would prefer 940's two short towers to CJAD's four tall ones, whose predecessors became the casualties of an ice storm a few years ago. I would think the 940/690 site could be purchased for a reasonable price and the 800 site could be sold to at least partially defray the cost of acquiring the 940/690 site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> So I could hear Habs radio in the car and not on XM??? > > When CJAD finds a way to generate revenue from your listening south > of the border, then they might care about the signal improvement > that a move to 940 would bring in New England. > > Until then, one can argue that CJAD actually does better in its > target market on 800 than it would on 940. CJAD's 50 kW on 800 is > concentrated in a relatively tight directional pattern over > Montreal; if it went to 940 with the looser DA that CINW used, it > would actually have a lower field strength over most of the Anglo > population up there! > > s From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 21 22:39:41 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:39:41 -0400 Subject: WO9-8989 Message-ID: <20100621223941.v97zs8elb7lwg8ow@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Sorry, I don't remember this one, but I certainly remember 617-254-5678 ('BZ) and, in Albany, 862-9271 and 9272 (WPTR). -Doug Quoting Lou : > That is SO great! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Smith > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:31 PM > Subject: RE: WO9-8989 > > Memos from Monique: > > "Sunday night midnight, Monday morning, call it what you will. We sit > back, unwind, unbutton unzip, if it's too tight, take if off who the > hell's gonna see you at this hour. Have a drink, a pop, a snort, a > chaser, what have you. Me, I'm having ice coffee. See [tinkle tinkle] > > "We wanna get off and running tonight by telling you about the Kenmore > Club Complex, dead in the heart of Kenmore Square, Lucifer, Katy and, > for the more sophisticated of the sippers, Yesterday" > > "Now a word for Ken's, Ken's at Copley, Ken's in the heart of Copley > Square, Ken's directly across from the Sheraton Copley Hotel. That > where to head, whether it's a drink, a pop, a sandwich, a snack or a > full course dinner. Look for me, I'm on the late night menu." > > "Hello. Yeah. Yeah. No we just played him lst week. No I gotta give > him a rest. Yeah. Yeah. Bye:" > > "We're keeping the commercials brief tonight, just a mention of the > sponsor. Hey what the hell, it's ten bucks a pop. Everybody knows > that, we have no secrets. So just a brief mention and Lots of Comedy" > > "Ran into my good friend Ben Sack..." > > "We'll be here as long as your calls keep coming, at one and the same > number. WO9....89............89. How bout some comedy from one of > those fresh young comedians. Here's Godfrey Cambridge." > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 21 22:43:45 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:43:45 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19488.9057.228395.959912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I would think the 940/690 site could be purchased for a reasonable > price and the 800 site could be sold to at least partially defray the > cost of acquiring the 940/690 site. The Brossard site is completely gone. Does not exist any more. See this Google Maps satellite view: This site is much, much closer to Montreal than the 800 site is, and thus would cost more to buy than the 800 site -- out in the middle of famrland -- would bring at sale. What you suggest makes no economic sense at all. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jun 21 22:48:14 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:48:14 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <19488.9057.228395.959912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044> <19488.9057.228395.959912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19488.9326.102763.608102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The Brossard site is completely gone. Does not exist any more. See > this Google Maps satellite view: > I take that back -- I was looking in the wrong place. Here's the old 690/940 site, with both towers still standing: This comment: > This site is much, much closer to Montreal than the 800 site is, and > thus would cost more to buy than the 800 site -- out in the middle of > famrland -- would bring at sale. What you suggest makes no economic > sense at all. still pertains. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 22:54:36 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:54:36 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Given the fact that Canada in the past 10 years has shut down AM in all but the big cities, I would say is a change. I heard from a Montreal print friend that a big reason 690/940 was shut down was that the Mohawks were suddenly claiming the xmtr land. On 6/21/10, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et all >> to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. > > Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid it. > > -GAWollman > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jun 21 23:13:40 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:13:40 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <19488.9326.102763.608102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044> <19488.9057.228395.959912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19488.9326.102763.608102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19488.10852.6519.834668@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: < said: What?! How the heck did that happen? That previous message should obviously have gone out under my name, not Dan's. I have no idea how his name got attached to my message. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jun 22 00:50:28 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:50:28 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: , , <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4C204114.13491.8C719D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 21 Jun 2010 at 21:25, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et all > > to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. > > Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid it. They did? What happened then? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 22 07:13:55 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:13:55 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant References: , , <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4C204114.13491.8C719D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <405129F552414A1589C29D1260D62EE5@SatU205S5044> One thing that happened around that time was that what were then US Class II-D stations on what were then Mexican Class I channels were allowed to operate at night. The affected frequencies were (IIRC) 540, 730, 800, 900, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Also, US Class II-D stations on these Mexican Class I channels were allowed to increase their D power to 5 kW (the previous maximum had been 1 kW) if such an increase did not adversly affect adjacent-channel US stations. I believe that the all-night operation by US II-Ds on Mexican Class I channels happened in phases. IIRC, the affected stations were initially granted post-sunset authority. A few years later, they were allowed nighttime operation with a maximum of 500W. Use of 1050 in New York City and 1220 in Cleveland by US stations operating with 50 kW DA-1 had been part of a much earlier treaty. Oh, and 540, like 940, became a Mexican/Canadian Class I channel at some point. Apparently, at least some US II-Ds on the channels on which there had been Class I stations in both Canada and Mexico were allowed more nighttime power than US II-Ds on channels on which there were Class I stations only in Mexico. This issue becomes very murky and hard to follow because Canada now has Class A (the modern equivalent of the old Class I-B) stations on what had been Mexican Class I channels. Previously, Canada had been allowed only Class II stations on these channels. For example, on 730, CKAC and CKLG became Class A AMs, whereas, before the treaty was modified, they had been Class IIs with no protection of their nighttime-skywave service. When these stations were "promoted" to Class A, they still had no skywave protection, however. This subject makes my head hurt. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:50 AM Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > On 21 Jun 2010 at 21:25, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> > For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et >> > all >> > to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. >> >> Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid >> it. > > They did? What happened then? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jun 22 07:25:32 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:25:32 -0500 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <405129F552414A1589C29D1260D62EE5@SatU205S5044> References: <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4C204114.13491.8C719D@joe.attorneyross.com> <405129F552414A1589C29D1260D62EE5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: It makes my head hurt too. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > One thing that happened around that time was that what were then US > Class II-D stations on what were then Mexican Class I channels were > allowed to operate at night. The affected frequencies were (IIRC) 540, > 730, 800, 900, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Also, US Class II-D stations on > these Mexican Class I channels were allowed to increase their D power > to 5 kW (the previous maximum had been 1 kW) if such an increase did > not adversly affect adjacent-channel US stations. I believe that the > all-night operation by US II-Ds on Mexican Class I channels happened > in phases. IIRC, the affected stations were initially granted > post-sunset authority. A few years later, they were allowed nighttime > operation with a maximum of 500W. Use of 1050 in New York City and > 1220 in Cleveland by US stations operating with 50 kW DA-1 had been > part of a much earlier treaty. > > Oh, and 540, like 940, became a Mexican/Canadian Class I channel at > some point. Apparently, at least some US II-Ds on the channels on > which there had been Class I stations in both Canada and Mexico were > allowed more nighttime power than US II-Ds on channels on which there > were Class I stations only in Mexico. This issue becomes very murky > and hard to follow because Canada now has Class A (the modern > equivalent of the old Class I-B) stations on what had been Mexican > Class I channels. Previously, Canada had been allowed only Class II > stations on these channels. For example, on 730, CKAC and CKLG became > Class A AMs, whereas, before the treaty was modified, they had been > Class IIs with no protection of their nighttime-skywave service. When > these stations were "promoted" to Class A, they still had no skywave > protection, however. This subject makes my head hurt. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > > > > On 21 Jun 2010 at 21:25, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> >> > For that matter perhaps it is time for Canada, Mexico, the US et >>> > all >>> > to redo the treaty. A lot has changed in 70 years. >>> >>> Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid >>> it. >>> >> >> They did? What happened then? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jun 22 07:25:53 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:25:53 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <405129F552414A1589C29D1260D62EE5@SatU205S5044> References: , , <19488.4344.515568.522148@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4C204114.13491.8C719D@joe.attorneyross.com> <405129F552414A1589C29D1260D62EE5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <92d2afaae0946f4125294036e72631bd.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> >>> Not so much has changed in twenty-five years, when they last redid >>> it. I'd disagree somewhat. I think something very big has changed - and that's Canada's attitude toward AM radio. 25 years ago, Canada's policy was to protect AM stations from FM competition (through interventions like the "no-hits" policy for FM stations)...but things changed pretty quickly and pretty dramatically starting around 1990, when AM stations began to migrate en masse to FM. Canada's AM dial is now vastly underutilized, and Mexico is heading in the same direction. Whether either nation has any interest in renegotiating the treaties that now protect those emptying AM channels is, of course, a matter more of politics than anything else, and I have no clue as to the politics of the issue. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 22 06:37:53 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:37:53 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com><4C200206.5090701@fybush.com><8FFBF175E65943C6935AC2A18970B29A@SatU205S5044><19488.9057.228395.959912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><19488.9326.102763.608102@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19488.10852.6519.834668@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <686042E87DCF4A8E81DCCA6E7A23389B@SatU205S5044> I was wondering about that too, because I did not send the message in question. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > < said: > > < said: > > What?! > > How the heck did that happen? > > That previous message should obviously have gone out under my name, > not Dan's. I have no idea how his name got attached to my message. > > -GAWollman > From friedbagels@gmail.com Tue Jun 22 12:29:19 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:29:19 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant Message-ID: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> Besides not wanting to deal with the hassle inherent to such a treaty negotiation when there's probably "more important" things to deal with, Canada (and to a lesser extent, Mexico) have a vested interest in keeping those vacant AM allotments exactly as they are: vacant. Why should they allow US signals to start appearing more and more in them, and inherently competing with their own domestic FM signals? That's probably a more political issue than a practical one, but this is all about politics so there you go. This is all the more true with the English/French restrictions the CRTC (it is the CRTC that does that, right?) imposes - they want to ensure that the Canadian audience receives Canadian programming. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm scott@fybush.com scott@fybush.com Tue Jun 22 07:25:53 EDT 2010 Canada's AM dial is now vastly underutilized, and Mexico is heading in the same direction. Whether either nation has any interest in renegotiating the treaties that now protect those emptying AM channels is, of course, a matter more of politics than anything else, and I have no clue as to the politics of the issue. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jun 22 14:12:57 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:12:57 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8CCE04DAD48E33E-1454-544C@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Fybush >To: Kevin Vahey >Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest >Sent: Mon, Jun 21, 2010 8:21 pm >Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant >When CJAD finds a way to generate revenue from your listening south of the border, then they might care about the signal improvement that a move to 940 would bring in New >England. >Until then, one can argue that CJAD actually does better in its target market on 800 than it would on 940. CJAD's 50 kW on 800 is concentrated in a relatively tight directional pattern >over Montreal; if it went to 940 with the looser DA that CINW used, it would actually have a lower field strength over most of the Anglo population up there! >s On numerous occasions, the AM station licensed to Lawrence, MA and transmitting first with 1,000 watts daytime, then 3,000 watts daytime from Andover MA just SW of the Lawrence City limits, as WCCM and thern WNNW, would go silent for hours at a time. In the case of WCCM-AM 800, perhaps because they had no auxiliary transmitter. As I've noted from time to time, Costa-Eagle has shut down WNNW so they could attach cellular telephone antenna elements, take down the old 93.7 FM antenna, and install the new 92.1 translator. (Why do they call it a translator...the Spanish language programming on the AM is STILL Spanish on FM. Same thing with the 995callclassical translator on 96.3 in Back Bay: the Bach Cantatas are still sung in German.) Anyway any time 800 went silent, I could easily hear CJAD at midday using my GE portable that does NOT say it's a superradio. It's the unit I utilized to hear "Let's Talk About Radio" on WJIB-AM. It's the most sensitive radio I own (I don't dare use bad language or cast apersions on its parentage anywhere near it.) This was true in winter or summer. And I could pick up CJAD on my car radio in spots. This is pretty remarkable because CJAD's towers are about the same distance from Methuen as WABC's single 50kw tower in Lodi, NJ, and CJAD came in better at midday than WABC, even before WVNE-AM 760 signed on. From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jun 22 15:01:41 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <8CCE04DAD48E33E-1454-544C@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com> <4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <8CCE04DAD48E33E-1454-544C@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1EAF8B6DA52248B8BEC2030B39C35F29@whdh.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of lglavin@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:13 PM > To: scott@fybush.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > As I've noted from time to time, Costa-Eagle has shut down > WNNW so they could attach cellular telephone > antenna elements, take down the old 93.7 FM antenna, and > install the new 92.1 translator. (Why do they call it > a translator...the Spanish language programming on the AM > is STILL Spanish on FM. What really annoys me about this translator is that it ruins my otherwise-marginal reception of WUMB 91.9 along a stretch of 93 in that area. And before someone suggests that I listen instead to 91.7 WNEF in that stretch note that it is pretty much overrun by WUML 91.5. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 22 14:20:50 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:20:50 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> References: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can trace a lot of this back to when RKO General owned CKLW and forgot Canada existed. You seldom ever heard a Canadian news story on 20-20 news. I can remember in the early 70's when WGR was very popular in Toronto. My mother said once on vacation "Why can I hear Jerry Williams clear in #uebec and not Cambridge? LOL. I also recall my Dad was stunned that he could hear WHDH and WEZE clearly in Quebec City. Canada gave the CBC the good allocations and for the most part private broadcasters in Canada just didn't beam south at night - in Eastern Canada CKAC and CKLW were the exceptions and CJMS covered New England well. Certainly CFCF and CFRB deserved better than what they got. On 6/22/10, Aaron Read wrote: > Besides not wanting to deal with the hassle inherent to such a treaty > negotiation when there's probably "more important" things to deal with, > Canada (and to a lesser extent, Mexico) have a vested interest in > keeping those vacant AM allotments exactly as they are: vacant. > > Why should they allow US signals to start appearing more and more in > them, and inherently competing with their own domestic FM signals? > That's probably a more political issue than a practical one, but this is > all about politics so there you go. > > This is all the more true with the English/French restrictions the CRTC > (it is the CRTC that does that, right?) imposes - they want to ensure > that the Canadian audience receives Canadian programming. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio > friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) > Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm > > > scott@fybush.com scott@fybush.com > Tue Jun 22 07:25:53 EDT 2010 > > Canada's AM dial is now vastly underutilized, and Mexico is heading in > the same direction. Whether either nation has any interest in > renegotiating the treaties that now protect those emptying AM channels > is, of course, a matter more of politics than anything else, and I have > no clue as to the politics of the issue. > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Jun 22 16:02:15 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:02:15 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801cb1245$d3c7a130$7b56e390$@ma@comcast.net> >Certainly CFCF and CFRB deserved better than what they got. Wasn't CFRB originally on 860 and was forced to move to 1010 because the CBC wanted the better signal on 860 for CJBC? Also, does CFRB still broadcast on shortwave (CFRX)? I used to listen to them, CHNS/CHNX, and CFCF/CFCX on their shortwave stations From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 22 16:22:36 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:22:36 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant References: <4C1FF138.4080906@fybush.com><4C200206.5090701@fybush.com> <8CCE04DAD48E33E-1454-544C@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Almost guaranteed that your midday reception of CJAD in Methuen was daytime skywave--probably a lot more skywave than groundwave. Although WNNW does not lie in a CJAD null, CJAD's signal toward WNNW is the equivalent of only about 25 kW ND. Considering that the Green Mountains and White Mountains lie between Montreal and Methuen, what you were hearing was unlikely to be mostly groundwave. I can remember 50+ years ago listening in my dorm room in Troy NY on a Zenith AM-FM tabletop radio (seven tubes, IIRC, and a REAL loop antenna--no ferrite cores) to what was then WCAU Philadelphia at least 250 miles away clear as a bell with no fading, But I'm sure that if I had listened long enough I would have heard the fades that gave away the fact it was skywave. Both CBF and CBM ~200 miles away were also audible there back then, and unlike WCAU, which was a rare catch, the two Canadians were there every single day all day and evening. Every now and then you'd catch a fade on 690 or 940 that would remind you that it was skywave. Obviously, though, there was also a lot of groundwave or the reception would not have been so reliable. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: Re: With 940 now officially vacant > any time 800 went silent, I could easily hear CJAD at midday using my GE portable that does NOT say it's a superradio. This is pretty remarkable because CJAD's towers are about the same distance from Methuen as WABC's single 50kw tower in Lodi, NJ, and CJAD came in better at midday than WABC, even before WVNE-AM 760 signed on. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jun 22 16:28:33 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:28:33 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant References: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> <008801cb1245$d3c7a130$7b56e390$@ma@comcast.net> Message-ID: Absolutely. Then the CBC created the fiction that CFRB (which, since its move to 1010, has always received a lot of skywave intereference from WINS) was a Class IB (now Class A), albeit with no protection to its skywave service. I wonder what CFRB's NIF is. My guess is that it's in the high single digits. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: RE: With 940 now officially vacant > > Wasn't CFRB originally on 860 and was forced to move to 1010 because > the CBC > wanted the better signal on 860 for CJBC? From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 22 16:15:13 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:15:13 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: <4566939427072538098@unknownmsgid> References: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> <4566939427072538098@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I believe that was the case with 860 860 lives on I suspect partly as the CBC/CRTC just doesn't want to move the french signal in TO to FM. How ironic that you can hear Radio-Canada in the eastern US but CBC depends on Windsor now. 1070 should have been allowed to live but I wish CFRB had gotten 740 but the reality is AM in downtown Toronto is almost useless thanks to the TTC wires. On 6/22/10, Jim Hall wrote: > >>Certainly CFCF and CFRB deserved better than what they got. > > Wasn't CFRB originally on 860 and was forced to move to 1010 because the CBC > wanted the better signal on 860 for CJBC? > > Also, does CFRB still broadcast on shortwave (CFRX)? I used to listen to > them, CHNS/CHNX, and CFCF/CFCX on their shortwave stations > > > From mward@iname.com Tue Jun 22 18:22:33 2010 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:22:33 -0400 Subject: With 940 now officially vacant In-Reply-To: References: <4C20E4DF.6050207@gmail.com> <4566939427072538098@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: One more time, with feeling...Canadian stations are not trying to reach American audiences (with one or two notable exceptions, like CKEY Ft. Erie/Buffalo, two of the Windsor FMs, etc.). The CBC isn't trying to reach distant American ears in New England/or Ohio, as much as I miss them on 740. And CJAD is trying to reach Montreal's English speakers, not us. Thankfully, the CBC has a robust streaming audio service, and I can listen to CBC Yellowknife on this very smartphone, if I wish. As much as I love the magic and romance of listening to distant Canadian AM stations, they aren't gonna spend money unless this mythical upgrade helps their LOCAL audience. On Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM, "Kevin Vahey" wrote: I believe that was the case with 860 860 lives on I suspect partly as the CBC/CRTC just doesn't want to move the french signal in TO to FM. How ironic that you can hear Radio-Canada in the eastern US but CBC depends on Windsor now. 1070 should have been allowed to live but I wish CFRB had gotten 740 but the reality is AM in downtown Toronto is almost useless thanks to the TTC wires. On 6/22/10, Jim Hall wrote: > >>Certainly CFCF and CFRB deserved better th... From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jun 23 22:18:59 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:18:59 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 Message-ID: Found this clip from WNAC-TV from 1981. RKO at the end had a decent newscast that nobody watched. Credit roll at the end brings back memories http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEH1nwtCpYA From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jun 24 15:31:56 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unreal Deal on WJAR Message-ID: <819904.54333.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/454158-WJAR_Launches_Unreal_Deal_Product_Placement_Program.php WJAR 10 is adding a 7p newscast and a product placement show called "The Unreal Deal". It almost feels like we're going back 60 years, except product fufillment is done via the web rather than phone or mail. Then again, they run over the air obits during the day and I bet the sales staff is getting heat to sell digital media. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jun 26 21:02:50 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:02:50 -0400 Subject: Hollywood Walk of Fame Message-ID: <20100627010257.B62F21B4022@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> For those who didn't see it, I had the privilege of being one of the presenters when Rush got their star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04tniBnlcHc From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jun 27 10:51:59 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:51:59 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR Message-ID: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on Friday, regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR and newcomer WGBH. http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jun 27 11:07:55 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:07:55 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR References: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: Well, one thing that WBUR did was make the Radio Boston program much more than five times as good. Yes, it's now on the air five times as many hours per week as it used to be, but the new host, Meghna Chackrabarti (spelling, someone--PLEASE!), is WAY easier to listen to than the rather somber Jane Clayson. Clayson may be brilliant, but her subdued, self-effacing manner can be an awful drag for listeners. I think that Clayson may be trying to become more upbeat--it seemed so to me when I caught her filling in for Tom Ashbrook last week. I think she still has quite a way to go, however. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: WGBH versus WBUR > For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on > Friday, regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR > and newcomer WGBH. > > http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Jun 27 11:17:30 2010 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:17:30 EDT Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 Message-ID: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> What do you know. Holly must have married Richie Parent. Mike In a message dated 6/24/2010 12:01:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Credit roll at the end brings back memories<<< From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 11:52:17 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:52:17 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> Message-ID: Thinking of Bob Moulton who just passed away I worked 2 summers at 7/WRKO in vacation relief and it was a good shop to work at. The only equipment mistake they made when they moved to Bulfinch was the master control switcher from Northern Electric which was way too complicated than it had to be. Leif Jensen would hold court in his glass booth (is he still alive) and then there was the challenge of keeping director Joe Sullivan and sportscaster Bob Gamere sober for 11. I worked the first year of Candlepins when it was taped in Quincy using the WOR truck until RKO decided it would be cheaper to build alleys in the basement. I wish some tapes existed of Friday shows as Gamere was usually legless by the 5th show. Yes RKO mailed in the news in the 50's and 60's but starting in 1970 they were as good as 4 and 7. Chuck Scarboro and Lee Nelson made for a good team and there was a good crop of reporters. Gary Armstrong KNEW everybody in town. WNEV just never had a prayer. David Mugar may know how to produce a fireworks show but not run a TV station. Win Baker was a madman and news director Bill Applegate was impossible to work for. WNEV also had problems getting good syndication as a stand alone station while 4 and 5 could buy in groups with other markets. Being the young hippie they would always send me from projection down to radio. Good memories. On 6/27/10, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > What do you know. Holly must have married Richie Parent. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 6/24/2010 12:01:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > >>>Credit roll at the end brings back memories<<< > > From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jun 27 19:21:47 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:21:47 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> Message-ID: <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I worked the first year of Candlepins when it was taped in >Quincy using > the WOR truck until RKO decided it would be >cheaper to build alleys in > the basement. I wish some tapes >existed of Friday shows as Gamere was > usually legless by >the 5th show. Found this WXNE Channel 25 "Candlepins For Cash" clip on You Tube, with Bob Gamere hosting. I didn't know he had hosted the show when it moved to 25 after WNAC axed Gamere & the show. Does anyone know how long Gamere lasted as host on 25? I remember Rico Petrocelli hosting the 25 run of the show, which IIRC was taped at the Wal-Lex bowling alley. Here's the link to part 1 of this show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw79SjeSIQk And regarding the Newsroom 7 clip: great clip to watch Remember when all the stations had a commentary or editorial as part of a newscast? I remember some of the reporters in the credit roll, and one of the ENG folks listed in that credit roll, Charles Ballentine retired from 7 about a year ago. He had been doing the overnight news chasing shift for years. Mark Watson From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jun 27 19:58:33 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:58:33 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Message-ID: <0L4P00JA56FRX550@asmtp020.mac.com> At 07:21 PM 6/27/2010, Mark Watson wrote: > And regarding the Newsroom 7 clip: great clip to watch Remember > when all the stations had a commentary or editorial as part of a > newscast? I remember some of the reporters in the credit roll, and > one of the ENG folks listed in that credit roll, Charles Ballentine > retired from 7 about a year ago. He had been doing the overnight > news chasing shift for years. It was more like one year ago that Charlie retired. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 19:57:01 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:57:01 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Message-ID: It is amazing how when you talk to people who are old enough how few memories WNAC-TV generated between 1948 and 1957 before Channel 5 went on air. People have strong channel 4 memories but take away Louise Morgan, Gus Saunders you don't have much. For 10 years Boston was a 2 station town for commercial TV - were they that bad when they went local? On 6/27/10, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I worked the first year of Candlepins when it was taped in >Quincy using >> the WOR truck until RKO decided it would be >cheaper to build alleys in >> the basement. I wish some tapes >existed of Friday shows as Gamere was >> usually legless by >the 5th show. > > Found this WXNE Channel 25 "Candlepins For Cash" clip on You Tube, with > Bob Gamere hosting. I didn't know he had hosted the show when it moved to 25 > after WNAC axed Gamere & the show. Does anyone know how long Gamere lasted > as host on 25? I remember Rico Petrocelli hosting the 25 run of the show, > which IIRC was taped at the Wal-Lex bowling alley. Here's the link to part 1 > of this show: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw79SjeSIQk > > And regarding the Newsroom 7 clip: great clip to watch Remember when all > the stations had a commentary or editorial as part of a newscast? I remember > some of the reporters in the credit roll, and one of the ENG folks listed in > that credit roll, Charles Ballentine retired from 7 about a year ago. He had > been doing the overnight news chasing shift for years. > > Mark Watson > > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jun 27 19:58:43 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:58:43 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Message-ID: <4C27E5B3.20002@fybush.com> On 6/27/2010 7:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is amazing how when you talk to people who are old enough how few > memories WNAC-TV generated between 1948 and 1957 before Channel 5 went > on air. People have strong channel 4 memories but take away Louise > Morgan, Gus Saunders you don't have much. > > For 10 years Boston was a 2 station town for commercial TV - were they > that bad when they went local? Or was channel 4 just *THAT* good? (As a Soldiers Field Road alumnus, I think I know my answer... :) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jun 27 19:59:42 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:59:42 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Message-ID: I remember when editorials on the old WEEI 590 were voiced by Donald J Tregasser, VP and GM of the station. Not to be outdone, Jess Cain had editorials voiced by Ronald J Trespasser, VP and GM of the Jess Cain Show, whose monotone delivery and meek deer-in-the-headlights demeanor pretty well mimicked that of his namesake from down the dial. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; ; Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Re: WNAC-TV 1981 > > And regarding the Newsroom 7 clip: great clip to watch Remember > when all the stations had a commentary or editorial as part of a > newscast? I remember some of the reporters in the credit roll, and > one of the ENG folks listed in that credit roll, Charles Ballentine > retired from 7 about a year ago. He had been doing the overnight > news chasing shift for years. > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 20:09:07 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:09:07 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <4C27E5B3.20002@fybush.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> <4C27E5B3.20002@fybush.com> Message-ID: Scott Westinghouse had a vision about TV that RKO never did. I *suspect* that since WOR-TV also mailed it in that the NY honchos told WNAC to do everything on the cheap. The Herald-Traveler certainly spared no expense in 1957 going full color ( to curry favor with RCA-NBC) and they also were very, very good. WNAC didn't wake up until around 1970. On 6/27/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 6/27/2010 7:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> It is amazing how when you talk to people who are old enough how few >> memories WNAC-TV generated between 1948 and 1957 before Channel 5 went >> on air. People have strong channel 4 memories but take away Louise >> Morgan, Gus Saunders you don't have much. >> >> For 10 years Boston was a 2 station town for commercial TV - were they >> that bad when they went local? > > Or was channel 4 just *THAT* good? > > (As a Soldiers Field Road alumnus, I think I know my answer... :) > > s > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Jun 27 20:15:44 2010 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:15:44 EDT Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 Message-ID: <90a87.352f77a.395943b0@aol.com> I worked there one summer and they had the bowling alley in the basement. I always ran the camera with the contestant in the garage. It is where they kept the news vehicles and it always smelled of auto exhaust. Speaking of exhaust, we used to record the announcements on a cart and Leif Jensen would make the announce booth look like he was in a cloud bank. He head a great voice but I think it was enhanced by he smokes. I never saw Gamere or Joe drunk but did see them with killer hang overs. Gamere was nasty with everyone when he had to deal with the public with a hang over. Mike In a message dated 6/27/2010 12:01:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>The only equipment mistake they made when they moved to Bulfinch was the master control switcher from Northern Electric which was way too complicated than it had to be. Leif Jensen would hold court in his glass booth (is he still alive) and then there was the challenge of keeping director Joe Sullivan and sportscaster Bob Gamere sober for 11.<<< From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 20:29:13 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:29:13 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <90a87.352f77a.395943b0@aol.com> References: <90a87.352f77a.395943b0@aol.com> Message-ID: I am not sure I ever saw Joe sober as he would hit the Red Hat BEFORE work - great director tho Gamere was simply a tragic case. At the end only one bar would let him him (T's Pub in Allston) One beer and he was gone - very, very angry drunk. Both 7 and 56 gave him every chance in the book but he was hopeless. Who owned 25 when he was there? If it was still WXNE they had no tolerence at all. I remember Dudley Freedman bought time at WXNE for college hockey and was told 10 minutes before air he could not air beer commercials. It wiped the poor guy out. On 6/27/10, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > > I worked there one summer and they had the bowling alley in the basement. I > always ran the camera with the contestant in the garage. It is where they > kept the news vehicles and it always smelled of auto exhaust. > > Speaking of exhaust, we used to record the announcements on a cart and > Leif Jensen would make the announce booth look like he was in a cloud bank. > He > head a great voice but I think it was enhanced by he smokes. > > I never saw Gamere or Joe drunk but did see them with killer hang overs. > Gamere was nasty with everyone when he had to deal with the public with a > hang over. > > Mike > > > > In a message dated 6/27/2010 12:01:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > >>>>The only equipment mistake they made when they moved to Bulfinch was > the master control switcher from Northern Electric which was way too > complicated than it had to be. Leif Jensen would hold court in his > glass booth (is he still alive) and then there was the challenge of > keeping director Joe Sullivan and sportscaster Bob Gamere sober for > 11.<<< > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 20:38:06 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> Message-ID: <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's funny - I turned 44 last week and was thinking about things from my youth. I can remember the original WHDH channel 5, watching "Romper Room" with Miss Jean and Chet Curtis on the weekend news, but other than Major Mudd not much from channel 7 on the local side. WBZ was the monster until WCVB came on the air. Most kids of the era (early 70s) cared more about reruns on 56 and 38 than news anyway. WNEV tried to make a local commitment, much like WCVB when they came on. My brother was a regular on a kid's victory garden segment on "RTG", their morning kid's program in the 80s. And they had Bill O'Reilly on "Look" (an afternoon magazine program - I remember New Edition making their debut on that show) and Matt Lauer on "New England Today" (after O'Reilly left for New York). Maureen Carney From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 20:58:15 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:58:15 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Uncle Gus had quite the following in the Boston area as well. 10 and 12 didn't really have an impact in Boston in those rabbit ear days as the signals had problems getting past Great Blue Hill. The old Channel 5 had the Red Sox, Bozo and Jack Hynes, Don Gillis. They were the equal to 4. The Saturday bowling show and Perry Mason at 5 made the jump to WCVB as BBI wasn't stupid. WNEV certainly tried but viewing habits were changing as cable came along at the same time. WNAC did leave one thing - as they were the first to use the news theme that WPVI in Philly still uses today. On 6/27/10, Maureen Carney wrote: > It's funny - I turned 44 last week and was thinking about things from my > youth. I can remember the original WHDH channel 5, watching "Romper Room" > with Miss Jean and Chet Curtis on the weekend news, but other than Major > Mudd not much from channel 7 on the local side. WBZ was the monster until > WCVB came on the air. Most kids of the era (early 70s) cared more about > reruns on 56 and 38 than news anyway. > > WNEV tried to make a local commitment, much like WCVB when they came on. My > brother was a regular on a kid's victory garden segment on "RTG", their > morning kid's program in the 80s. And they had Bill O'Reilly on "Look" (an > afternoon magazine program - I remember New Edition making their debut on > that show) and Matt Lauer on "New England Today" (after O'Reilly left for > New York). > > Maureen Carney > > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jun 27 22:28:02 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:28:02 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com> <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark> <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 5:38 PM -0700 6/27/10, Maureen Carney wrote: >WNEV tried to make a local commitment, much like WCVB when they came >on. My brother was a regular on a kid's victory garden segment on >"RTG", their morning kid's program in the 80s. And they had Bill >O'Reilly on "Look" (an afternoon magazine program - I remember New >Edition making their debut on that show) and Matt Lauer on "New >England Today" (after O'Reilly left for New York). I seem to remember the name of Matt Lauer's program being "Talk of the Town" And there was also a Nancy Merrill program in there somewhere IIRC. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 23:06:05 2010 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <238240.78504.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, 6/27/10, Larry Weil wrote: > At 5:38 PM -0700 6/27/10, Maureen > Carney wrote: > > > WNEV tried to make a local commitment, much like WCVB > when they came on. My brother was a regular on a kid's > victory garden segment on "RTG", their morning kid's program > in the 80s. And they had Bill O'Reilly on "Look" (an > afternoon magazine program - I remember New Edition making > their debut on that show) and Matt Lauer on "New England > Today" (after O'Reilly left for New York). > > I seem to remember the name of Matt Lauer's program being > "Talk of the Town"? And there was also a Nancy Merrill > program in there somewhere IIRC. You are correct. A couple clips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fftZlH58Ia8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nxE6qCM7Gg&NR=1 Looks the same today, except for the hair. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 27 23:18:38 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:18:38 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com>, <0113739D067545C9841736ABCB539EB0@Mark>, Message-ID: <4C28148E.19836.56B8AF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jun 2010 at 19:57, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is amazing how when you talk to people who are old enough how few > memories WNAC-TV generated between 1948 and 1957 before Channel 5 went > on air. People have strong channel 4 memories but take away Louise > Morgan, Gus Saunders you don't have much. I remember "Time for Beany," although they often ran it opposite Howdy Doody, so I didn't always watch it. I remember Superman on Friday evenings. And I remember Space Patrol on Saturday mornings. But channel 4 had more of a local personality, and they also had a stronger signal in a lot of places. They also carried Mickey Mouse Club. And Disneyland on Saturdays at 6 PM. I think they carried Zorro until Channel 5 came on. For some reason, probably contractual, they continued to carry Mickey Mouse, even after Channel 5 came on, until the following fall. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 27 23:18:39 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:18:39 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com>, , <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C28148F.20730.56B95A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jun 2010 at 17:38, Maureen Carney wrote: > WNEV tried to make a local commitment, much like WCVB when they came > on. My brother was a regular on a kid's victory garden segment on > "RTG", their morning kid's program in the 80s. And they had Bill > O'Reilly on "Look" (an afternoon magazine program - I remember New > Edition making their debut on that show) and Matt Lauer on "New > England Today" (after O'Reilly left for New York). I thought "New England Today" was the name of the Jack Chase/Don Kent segments on Channel 4 during the "Today" show. When did they discontinue that title? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jun 27 23:18:38 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:18:38 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com>, <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4C28148E.8675.56B728@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jun 2010 at 20:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Uncle Gus had quite the following in the Boston area as well. > > 10 and 12 didn't really have an impact in Boston in those rabbit ear > days as the signals had problems getting past Great Blue Hill. Depends on when and where. We used to get 10 and 12 in Bedford, usually somewhat snowy, but sometimes reception was quite good. 9 and 11 came in like locals. When I moved to Brookline, I lived in a basement apartment in Coolidge Corner, and I couldn't get 9, 10, or 12 hardly at all. Then I moved to a 3rd floor apartment, two doors down the street, and got 9 and 10 quite well, 12 less so. Since I moved to my present condo in Washington Square, I haven't been able to get any of these -- when I've tried to get signals over the air. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jun 27 23:47:26 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:47:26 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR In-Reply-To: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: Has there been any news about talk ratings on the commercial side since the debut of WXKS? I notice 1200 is still filling a lot of commercial time with PSA's, though maybe so as much as back in March. -Bob On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on Friday, > regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR and newcomer WGBH. > > http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 22:55:46 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:55:46 -0400 Subject: Jefferson Kaye Message-ID: I know Jeff has been battling cancer but WPVI just went to the summer open and Jeff is no longer doing it - Charlie Van Dyke is Bad sign :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNB4ydrtRxg From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jun 28 00:03:10 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 00:03:10 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR In-Reply-To: References: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: WXKS-AM finished right behind WGBH They dropped a little from spanish 12+ 0.8 cume 108,000 On 6/27/10, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Has there been any news about talk ratings on the commercial side since the > debut of WXKS? > I notice 1200 is still filling a lot of commercial time with PSA's, though > maybe so as much as > back in March. > > -Bob > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on Friday, >> regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR and newcomer >> WGBH. >> >> http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text >> >> > From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Jun 28 00:19:23 2010 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 00:19:23 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR In-Reply-To: References: <20100627145208.1F2F81B400F@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: WXKS-AM is beating WRKO in the 25-54 demo in Rush's time slot, but keep in mind this is a battle for something like 16th place. Both the lead-in and lead-out programs, and nearly everything else on WXKS-AM have just a few hundred listeners in "the demo". In the midday talk race, WTKK has a healthy lead. On Jun 27, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Has there been any news about talk ratings on the commercial side since the > debut of WXKS? > I notice 1200 is still filling a lot of commercial time with PSA's, though > maybe so as much as > back in March. > > -Bob > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > >> For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on Friday, >> regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR and newcomer WGBH. >> >> http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text >> >> From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 28 09:17:08 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 Message-ID: <20100628091708.n34shkajjwxwcogo@webmail.myfairpoint.net> You're right. All I remember of WNAC-TV in the early '50s is Louise Morgan, Gus Saunders, a few network kiddie shows, a few CBS and ABC primetime shows, and --- as you said --- Superman. I don't remember any newscasts or anchors. I do recall the test pattern, with The Yankee Network's distinctive Art Deco lettering. (I think they continued using it long after The Yankee Network's demise.) You're also right about WNAC's signal. It was never as good as Channel 4's; depending on weather conditions, it was frequently rather snowy out in the Fitchburg area where I grew up. Things improved considerably after the new tower was erected (mid-'60s?). -Doug Quoting "A. Joseph Ross" : > On 27 Jun 2010 at 19:57, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > It is amazing how when you talk to people who are old enough how few > > memories WNAC-TV generated between 1948 and 1957 before Channel 5 went > > on air. People have strong channel 4 memories but take away Louise > > Morgan, Gus Saunders you don't have much. > > I remember "Time for Beany," although they often ran it opposite > Howdy Doody, so I didn't always watch it. > > I remember Superman on Friday evenings. > > And I remember Space Patrol on Saturday mornings. > > But channel 4 had more of a local personality, and they also had a > stronger signal in a lot of places. > > They also carried Mickey Mouse Club. And Disneyland on Saturdays at > 6 PM. I think they carried Zorro until Channel 5 came on. For some > reason, probably contractual, they continued to carry Mickey Mouse, > even after Channel 5 came on, until the following fall. > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Mon Jun 28 08:47:33 2010 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:47:33 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 In-Reply-To: <4C28148E.8675.56B728@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <7b875.76e58589.3958c58a@aol.com>, <825791.73040.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4C28148E.8675.56B728@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: In Salem, we would get 10 and 12 regularly though snowy. 6 was impossible and sometimes it would be overridden by the outlet in ME. 8 was received *very* rarely. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jun 28 13:01:07 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:01:07 -0400 Subject: WNAC-TV 1981 Message-ID: <20100628130107.t8wdwuyodw60cook@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I remember, too, that even long after Channel 5 went on the air with its all-color local programming, Channel 7 didn't colorcast at all --- not that CBS offered much in color besides Red Skelton and "The Wizard of Oz," but IIRC it was quite a while before 7 could offer even those with a full palette. Was RKO General originally that cheap and chintzy with all its stations, even WOR-TV? -Doug Quoting David Moisan : > > In Salem, we would get 10 and 12 regularly though snowy. 6 was > impossible and > sometimes it would be overridden by the outlet in ME. 8 was received *very* > rarely. > > > > From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Jun 28 13:41:45 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:41:45 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR Message-ID: <4C28DED9.3000104@gmail.com> You were close! It's Meghna Chakrabarti. :-) http://www.wbur.org/people/mchakrabarti Also, Donna nails it with her quote about it being a "marathon, not a sprint". WBUR listeners aren't just listening to NPR news and talk, they are *WBUR Listeners*. The only way they're going to defect from WBUR is during pledge weeks and then, possibly, they'll go listen to WGBH...assuming WGBH isn't coordinating the pledge weeks, of course. And even then, odds are good that they'll defect during the pitching and otherwise will stay with WBUR...similarly, even if they switch to WGBH for pledge week, there's little guarantee they'll stay after pledge week is over. So it will take time...a lot of time...as listeners who are new to NPR listening in general and come to the left end of the dial and find two suitable offerings and will pick-n-choose as they see fit. So very, very gradually you'll see WGBH gain more listeners. Probably they'll gain more than WBUR loses, as - again - their gains will mostly come from new-to-NPR listeners. And, I admit, probably one place you'll see a lot of listener swapping is during the mid-day hours as people decide they don't like whatever topic is on OnPoint that hour and they switch to Diane Rehm (or vice versa) and the same for Fresh Air/Radio Boston vs. Callie Crossley/Emily Rooney. And that sort of rapid switching is the sort of thing that'd be lost entirely under diaries but will show up under PPM's. It'd be interesting to see how that shakes out, though...whether the topic-based switching is so chaotic that it all just evens out in the end? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm Well, one thing that WBUR did was make the Radio Boston program much more than five times as good. Yes, it's now on the air five times as many hours per week as it used to be, but the new host, Meghna Chackrabarti (spelling, someone--PLEASE!), is WAY easier to listen to (snip) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: WGBH versus WBUR > For those who didn't see it, this ran in the Boston Herald on > Friday, regarding the battle for ratings between established WBUR > and newcomer WGBH. > > http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1263888&format=text > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jun 28 23:38:01 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:38:01 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR In-Reply-To: <4C28DED9.3000104@gmail.com> References: <4C28DED9.3000104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C296A99.8686.532BDE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jun 2010 at 13:41, Aaron Read wrote: > Also, Donna nails it with her quote about it being a "marathon, not a > sprint". WBUR listeners aren't just listening to NPR news and talk, > they are *WBUR Listeners*. The only way they're going to defect from > WBUR is during pledge weeks and then, possibly, they'll go listen to > WGBH. Actually, that's another advantage WBUR has. They understand how annoying pledge week can be, and they abbreviate it by encouraging advance donations to shorten the pledge drive. They just had one that lasted all of two days and wasn't anywhere near as obnoxious as a WGBH pledge drive. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jun 29 01:00:58 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:00:58 -0400 Subject: WGBH versus WBUR In-Reply-To: <4C296A99.8686.532BDE@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4C28DED9.3000104@gmail.com> <4C296A99.8686.532BDE@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19497.32266.402326.110471@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Actually, that's another advantage WBUR has. They understand how > annoying pledge week can be, and they abbreviate it by encouraging > advance donations to shorten the pledge drive. They just had one > that lasted all of two days and wasn't anywhere near as obnoxious as > a WGBH pledge drive. 'GBH is trying to do the same thing by encouraging people to sign up for automatic (i.e., unlimited-term) monthly donations. -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jun 29 20:09:13 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:09:13 -0400 Subject: Larry King leaving CNN - says it is time Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/06/29/arts/AP-US-TV-CNN-Larry-King.html Back in 1978 when Mutual hired him in an emergency basis to replace Long John Nebel - WITS for the first few weeks generated the most calls. -- Sent from my mobile device From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jun 30 12:09:32 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:09:32 -0400 Subject: Larry King leaving CNN - says it is time References: Message-ID: <3A063A5063EC456A882BCD92854CC5CB@YOURbcbbe822ed> I never knew Nebel was such an interesting guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_John_Nebel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Larry King leaving CNN - says it is time > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/06/29/arts/AP-US-TV-CNN-Larry-King.html > > Back in 1978 when Mutual hired him in an emergency basis to replace > Long John Nebel - WITS for the first few weeks generated the most > calls. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > From sid@wrko.com Wed Jun 30 14:01:06 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:01:06 -0600 Subject: Larry King leaving CNN - says it is time In-Reply-To: <3A063A5063EC456A882BCD92854CC5CB@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <3A063A5063EC456A882BCD92854CC5CB@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5542B18FEE@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "I never knew Nebel was such an interesting guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_John_Nebel " Just one of his live reads, a commercial for a pornographic movie, is worth listening to: http://home.comcast.net/~amidlifecrisis/nebel.html (completely work-safe) Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From linc@reed-nickerson.com Mon Jun 28 13:57:55 2010 From: linc@reed-nickerson.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:57:55 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> Message-ID: <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest locally originated color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill Hauser) purchased an RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH went on the air). Interestingly it was disassembled and made into three B & W film cameras before being reassembled and up dated with COHU encoder. I worked at WHDH in the summer of '65, and it was the best job I had from the broadcast side (Tektronix was best from the supply side). Unfortunately I was a "summer replacement" and got drafted into the Army that summer, the only full time opening I found on return from Vietnam was at WBZ. They may have been number 1, but the couldn't compare technically to WHDH. Shortly after I got there they brought Dick Ellis in as Chief from KYW, and his philosophy was to purchase industrial equipment rather than broadcast quality. No matter how bad they looked they still made numbers! Now going way back, and I asked this question to many of my colleagues at WBZ, and nobody could remember this person's identity. Jack Chase had a morning show, and on that show for bumpers they had a toddle (female) in a playpen. I'm guessing she'd be between 55 and 60 now. Who was she and where is she now? One clue, I think she might have been related to Gordon Swan. Donna? if anybody knows, you will! I also remember another personality, female, with an odd first name for a female, Duncan, I believe (ch 7 or was she Jack's co-host). Am I hallucinating, or is that a valid memory? And who was the woman that did the nautically oriented kid show on WMUR? I worked there in 1964, and they remembered her, but couldn't remember her name (Glendora and the SS Glendora?). And one final question, we had a very nice young lady that worked as a P.A. for Rex trailer, Jackie Murphy. I believe she went to B.U. and eventually married a station owner in Vermont. I know she worked at WARE for a while in the mid-70's and was also on WAQY (?) in Springfield. Just some questions about things I'd like to know (my bucket list). Linc Leighton M. "Linc" Reed-Nickerson President - KORC Radio, Inc. VP - Harney County Radio, LLC 140 Verbina St. Waldport, OR 97394 541-563-5100 - Waldport 541-272-3327 - Newport 360-907-0873 - Direct (Mobile) 800-886-3643 - Fax