From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 1 08:12:57 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:12:57 -0400 Subject: Related? Message-ID: <20100701081257.qo743t5ljce88o4o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Ron Amadon of Marketwatch and the late Art Amadon of WBZ/WBZ-TV . . . related? -Doug From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 1 11:57:37 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:57:37 -0400 Subject: Related? In-Reply-To: <20100701081257.qo743t5ljce88o4o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100701081257.qo743t5ljce88o4o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20100701155739.622201B4149@relay20.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 08:12 AM 7/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >Ron Amadon of Marketwatch and the late Art Amadon of WBZ/WBZ-TV . . >. related? - I have asked this before, and have been assured that unless they are very very very distant relatives, they are not related to each other. But it's a great coincidence, given how popular Art was for so many years. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 1 13:08:45 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:08:45 -0400 Subject: Related? Message-ID: <20100701130845.vr1ebrod6jok4csk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I remember Art Amadon from my childhood, very clearly. I think he had retired by the time I was in my mid-teens. What I remember less well are the various things he did at the two stations. Am I correct in thinking he hosted a movie show on Channel 4 ("Boston Movietime," or something like that), and did booth announcing as well? I know he had a show on WBZ radio for a long time, but that was before I listened to radio. How long was he with WBZ, and what were his roles there? Quoting Donna Halper : > At 08:12 AM 7/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > >Ron Amadon of Marketwatch and the late Art Amadon of WBZ/WBZ-TV . . > >. related? - > > I have asked this before, and have been assured that unless they are > very very very distant relatives, they are not related to each > other. But it's a great coincidence, given how popular Art was for > so many years. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jul 1 13:11:54 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:11:54 -0400 Subject: Related? In-Reply-To: <20100701130845.vr1ebrod6jok4csk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100701130845.vr1ebrod6jok4csk@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20100701171156.C4DE81CCD2B@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:08 PM 7/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >I remember Art Amadon from my childhood, very clearly. I think he >had retired by the time I was in my mid-teens. What I remember less >well are the various things he did at the two stations. Am I >correct in thinking he hosted a movie show on Channel 4 ("Boston >Movietime," or something like that), and did booth announcing as >well? I know he had a show on WBZ radio for a long time, but that >was before I listened to radio. How long was he with WBZ, and what >were his roles there? Art actually used to be a radio singer on WBZ in the 1940s, before ending up doing news. I can check my files for the exact years, as well as for when he worked on channel 4-- which was very common back then. Almost all the WBZ radio folks (including Carl DeSuze) did a radio show and also a TV show at one time or other during WBZ-TV's formative years. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Jul 1 13:37:14 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:37:14 -0400 Subject: Related? Message-ID: <20100701133714.3vke1c7hpc84ggsc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I vaguely remember Art Amadon as a news anchor, but it must have been back in the early- to mid-'50s, when I was little. I don't recall him ever singing. Did he host "Starring the Editors" for a while too, or was that strictly Erwin D. Canham's gig? Quoting Donna Halper :> At 01:08 PM 7/1/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > >I remember Art Amadon from my childhood, very clearly. I think he > >had retired by the time I was in my mid-teens. What I remember less > >well are the various things he did at the two stations. Am I > >correct in thinking he hosted a movie show on Channel 4 ("Boston > >Movietime," or something like that), and did booth announcing as > >well? I know he had a show on WBZ radio for a long time, but that > >was before I listened to radio. How long was he with WBZ, and what > >were his roles there? > > Art actually used to be a radio singer on WBZ in the 1940s, before > ending up doing news. I can check my files for the exact years, as > well as for when he worked on channel 4-- which was very common back > then. Almost all the WBZ radio folks (including Carl DeSuze) did a > radio show and also a TV show at one time or other during WBZ-TV's > formative years. > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 2 11:00:15 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:00:15 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo Message-ID: The mighty 1030 has spruced up the website and introduced a new logo which is pretty much what TV has been using http://wbz.cbslocal.com/ -- Sent from my mobile device From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 2 11:21:50 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:21:50 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C2E040E.90803@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The mighty 1030 has spruced up the website and introduced a new logo > which is pretty much what TV has been using > > http://wbz.cbslocal.com/ > Hmmm...the old one dated back to right around the time of the 75th anniversary in 1996, when the last iteration of the Group W logo was put to sleep. Last time they changed logos, I scored one of the logo signs from the (old) studio, which now hangs proudly on my office wall here. I wonder if they'd part with the neon sign I helped order for the 75th anniversary, since the logo on that sign is obsolete now? :) s From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 2 11:32:21 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:32:21 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo In-Reply-To: <4C2E040E.90803@fybush.com> References: <4C2E040E.90803@fybush.com> Message-ID: KDKA and to some degree WINS still remember their Westinghouse roots. I see KDKA is starting to gear up for the 90th in November. An out of town friend remarked the channel 4 website gives somebody from outside the area the impression WBZ-TV is channel 38 On 7/2/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> The mighty 1030 has spruced up the website and introduced a new logo >> which is pretty much what TV has been using >> >> http://wbz.cbslocal.com/ >> > > Hmmm...the old one dated back to right around the time of the 75th > anniversary in 1996, when the last iteration of the Group W logo was put > to sleep. > > Last time they changed logos, I scored one of the logo signs from the > (old) studio, which now hangs proudly on my office wall here. > > I wonder if they'd part with the neon sign I helped order for the 75th > anniversary, since the logo on that sign is obsolete now? :) > > s > -- Sent from my mobile device From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jul 2 12:25:30 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:25:30 -0400 Subject: Electrical work to KO WMWM in late July Message-ID: <8CCE81A52C5CADE-E4C-B91F@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Word has it WMWM at Salem State will be off air the final week of July (approx Sat 7/24 through Sun 8/1) due to electrical work being done at the Ellison Campus Ctr where the studios are (this weekend there may be short outages due to work at Meier Hall where the transmitter is). No doubt some listeners may tune to 91.7 during that week later this month and hear a slightly faint signal that is NOT us...that of course would be WNEF 91.7 Newburyport (stick in Amesbury)... From mward@iname.com Fri Jul 2 11:44:48 2010 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:44:48 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo In-Reply-To: References: <4C2E040E.90803@fybush.com> Message-ID: KDKA has also changed to the WordPress-based CBS Local platform, but has not changed its logo. http://kdka.cbslocal.com/ On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > KDKA and to some degree WINS still remember their Westinghouse roots. > > I see KDKA is starting to gear up for the 90th in November. > > An out of town friend remarked the channel 4 website gives somebody > from outside the area the impression WBZ-TV is channel 38 > > On 7/2/10, Scott Fybush wrote: >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> The mighty 1030 has spruced up the website and introduced a new logo >>> which is pretty much what TV has been using >>> >>> http://wbz.cbslocal.com/ >>> >> >> Hmmm...the old one dated back to right around the time of the 75th >> anniversary in 1996, when the last iteration of the Group W logo was put >> to sleep. >> >> Last time they changed logos, I scored one of the logo signs from the >> (old) studio, which now hangs proudly on my office wall here. >> >> I wonder if they'd part with the neon sign I helped order for the 75th >> anniversary, since the logo on that sign is obsolete now? :) >> >> s >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Jul 2 18:33:03 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:33:03 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo Message-ID: <20100702183303.zk8n4gmq6r4skssg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I think WJZ-TV, KYW (AM), and KPIX-TV also continue to use the old Group W font as well --- at least the last I knew that was the case. For that matter, WOWO still uses it, even though the station was sold by Westinghouse a dozen years ago or more. I don't know why the font was abandoned in Boston. Curious. -Doug Quoting Mike Ward : > KDKA has also changed to the WordPress-based CBS Local platform, but > has not changed its logo. > > http://kdka.cbslocal.com/ > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > KDKA and to some degree WINS still remember their Westinghouse roots. > > > > I see KDKA is starting to gear up for the 90th in November. > > > > An out of town friend remarked the channel 4 website gives somebody > > from outside the area the impression WBZ-TV is channel 38 > > > > On 7/2/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: > >>> The mighty 1030 has spruced up the website and introduced a new logo > >>> which is pretty much what TV has been using > >>> > >>> http://wbz.cbslocal.com/ > >>> > >> > >> Hmmm...the old one dated back to right around the time of the 75th > >> anniversary in 1996, when the last iteration of the Group W logo was put > >> to sleep. > >> > >> Last time they changed logos, I scored one of the logo signs from the > >> (old) studio, which now hangs proudly on my office wall here. > >> > >> I wonder if they'd part with the neon sign I helped order for the 75th > >> anniversary, since the logo on that sign is obsolete now? :) > >> > >> s > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > From sid@wrko.com Fri Jul 2 21:33:53 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 19:33:53 -0600 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo In-Reply-To: <20100702183303.zk8n4gmq6r4skssg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100702183303.zk8n4gmq6r4skssg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5542BF151E@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "I think WJZ-TV, KYW (AM), and KPIX-TV also continue to use the old Group W font as well --- at least the last I knew that was the case. For that matter, WOWO still uses it, even though the station was sold by Westinghouse a dozen years ago or more. I don't know why the font was abandoned in Boston. Curious." There's a pretty good freeware approximation of that font, called Anklepants, available at http://www.1001fonts.com/font_details.html?font_id=673 . Its developer even states that it was inspired by the Westinghouse broadcast group logos. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 2 21:47:37 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:47:37 -0400 Subject: WBZ Radio has new logo In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5542BF151E@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <20100702183303.zk8n4gmq6r4skssg@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5542BF151E@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4C2E96B9.2080808@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > "I think WJZ-TV, KYW (AM), and KPIX-TV also continue to use the old > Group W font as well --- at least the last I knew that was the case. > For that matter, WOWO still uses it, even though the station was > sold by Westinghouse a dozen years ago or more. I don't know why the > font was abandoned in Boston. Curious." > > There's a pretty good freeware approximation of that font, called > Anklepants, available at > http://www.1001fonts.com/font_details.html?font_id=673 . Its > developer even states that it was inspired by the Westinghouse > broadcast group logos. I *hate* Anklepants. I hate it because it's a bad approximation of the Group W font. A few of the letterforms look nothing like the real Group W letters. I think it's the M that he really screwed up. I hate it because at least one station (WOWO) actually used Anklepants when it needed to rework its logo some years back, and it looks hideous. I hate it because at least one other station with no Group W connection at all (KXNT in Las Vegas) is using it in their logo, and it looks hideous. I hate it because for several years, all the fanboyz on radio-info persisted in using "Anklepants" to describe the actual Group W font, until I finally whined about it enough to get them to stop. (I never heard an actual name being applied to the "Westinghouse font" in my days there.) And I hate it because it's a stupid name for a very dignified font that was way ahead of its time when Group W rolled it out in the early sixties. As for current use of the real Group W lettering, it does indeed still exist (at least in modified form) at WINS, KYW radio, KDKA radio, WJZ-TV and WOWO. WINS and WJZ are the closest to the original; KYW and KDKA use an italicized form that was not part of the original fonts. KPIX's current "5" could, I suppose, be charitably described as "inspired by" the original Westinghouse "5," but the shape of the bowl of the numeral is distinctly different from the original. s From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 3 20:21:56 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 20:21:56 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? Message-ID: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia™+-+HD+Radio+Portable+Player/9375071.p?id=1218094581941&skuId=9375071&st=HD&contract_desc=null Curious if this is worth the bother ... The store has it for $40 -- Sent from my mobile device From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jul 3 20:57:46 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:57:46 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCE92B0CC91E78-47C-1466@web-mmc-d04.sysops.aol.com> I have it and it's not bad; interestingly enough: --as I understand it once the battery becomes ineffective you can't replace it. So use it, recharge, use again, but eventually you won't be able to replace that battery --I misplaced the charging cord for it when I took it on a recent trip but I had a similar cord which works fine--a mini-USB cord...if I didn't have that I prob. could have found it somewhere. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 3 20:39:04 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:39:04 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cb1b11$524ec8c0$f6ec5a40$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:22 PM > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Anybody have this HD model? > > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia™+- > +HD+Radio+Portable+Player/9375071.p?id=1218094581941&skuId=9375071&st=H > D&contract_desc=null > > Curious if this is worth the bother ... > > The store has it for $40 I have one. It's not bad, but obviously it won't be as sensitive as a larger radio with a good antenna. In a strong signal area it's OK. It's FM only, no AM. Note that the battery is non-replaceable, so when it goes bad in a few years the thing will be a paperweight. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jul 3 21:23:33 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:23:33 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? Message-ID: <000101cb1b17$85308b60$8f91a220$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:22 PM > To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Anybody have this HD model? > > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia™+- > +HD+Radio+Portable+Player/9375071.p?id=1218094581941&skuId=9375071&st= > +HD+Radio+Portable+H > D&contract_desc=null > > Curious if this is worth the bother ... > > The store has it for $40 I have one. It's not bad, but obviously it won't be as sensitive as a larger radio with a good antenna. In a strong signal area it's OK. It's FM only, no AM. Note that the battery is non-replaceable, so when it goes bad in a few years the thing will be a paperweight. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jul 3 21:45:49 2010 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:45:49 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20100703214435.0283bae8@plymouthcolony.net> At 08:21 PM 7/3/2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Curious if this is worth the bother ... I like it - I get all the local HD signals at home, which is in a bit of a hole. Dale H. Cook, Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jul 4 01:10:58 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 01:10:58 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20100703214435.0283bae8@plymouthcolony.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20100703214435.0283bae8@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: And while there is no AM "dial" of course be aware that you can find WEEI on the HD-3 signal of WMKK, and WBZ 1030 is on the HD 3 signal (IIRC) of WBZ-FM. From as@shawsheen.com Sun Jul 4 13:48:07 2010 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:48:07 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? Message-ID: <20100704134807.zh4v3zsxkw080w0s@shawsheen.com> > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia™+-+HD+Radio+Portable+Player/9375071.p?id=1218094581941&skuId=9375071&st=HD&contract_desc=null > > Curious if this is worth the bother ... > > The store has it for $40 The portable Insignia HD radio is useful. I've used mine for about three months. My thoughts and impressions: Good: - Reasonably good reception. Headphone cord is the antenna, so stretch it out. - Behaves OK in an RF-dense environment (99.5, 92.1). - Powered by USB cable, so I usually plug it into my computer to keep it charged when I use it. I treat it like my ipod, with the same permanent battery gotcha. - Cheap. Got me into digital FM. - Portable. Bad: - FM only. However, a device at this price point with AM coverage would not work very well. - Included earpieces have low-quality audio. - I'm not thrilled with how I perceive its ability to cleanly process digital audio. Maybe it's me, but I've heard better. I think I hear artifacts that I don't hear on other HD receivers. - Buttons and UI are non-intuitive and I wish it was easier/quicker to just tune up and down the band. Bottom line, it's really the only way to get portable digital FM at a reasonable price. At $40 you won't regret it at all, and you'll probably enjoy it a lot. Also, heads up on a better deal: Radio Shack is selling the Auvio HD AM/FM component tuner on clearance at $79.97. I've been using it for about a week. While appearances are that it has cheap guts, it behaves well and I'm impressed with its performance overall, especially FM adjacent channel rejection. Has a rotary tuning dial and simple interface. Also, it does AM HD. No joy for me yet, but I have general AM reception issues. I don't know if RS is getting out of HD radio or if they have something better coming in, but they're unloading this Auvio tuner. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Jul 5 12:19:28 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:19:28 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? References: <20100704134807.zh4v3zsxkw080w0s@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: I tried the link but it wouldn't open. Anyway my local RS guy says all their Auvio models are rebranded Panasonic products. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Svirsky" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Anybody have this HD model? >> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia™+-+HD+Radio+Portable+Player/9375071.p?id=1218094581941&skuId=9375071&st=HD&contract_desc=null >> >> Curious if this is worth the bother ... >> >> The store has it for $40 > > The portable Insignia HD radio is useful. I've used mine for about three > months. My thoughts and impressions: > > Good: > - Reasonably good reception. Headphone cord is the antenna, so stretch it > out. > - Behaves OK in an RF-dense environment (99.5, 92.1). > - Powered by USB cable, so I usually plug it into my computer to keep it > charged when I use it. I treat it like my ipod, with the same permanent > battery gotcha. > - Cheap. Got me into digital FM. > - Portable. > > Bad: > - FM only. However, a device at this price point with AM coverage would > not work very well. > - Included earpieces have low-quality audio. > - I'm not thrilled with how I perceive its ability to cleanly process > digital audio. Maybe it's me, but I've heard better. I think I hear > artifacts that I don't hear on other HD receivers. > - Buttons and UI are non-intuitive and I wish it was easier/quicker to > just tune up and down the band. > > Bottom line, it's really the only way to get portable digital FM at a > reasonable price. At $40 you won't regret it at all, and you'll probably > enjoy it a lot. > > Also, heads up on a better deal: > > Radio Shack is selling the Auvio HD AM/FM component tuner on clearance at > $79.97. I've been using it for about a week. While appearances are that > it has cheap guts, it behaves well and I'm impressed with its performance > overall, especially FM adjacent channel rejection. Has a rotary tuning > dial and simple interface. Also, it does AM HD. No joy for me yet, but I > have general AM reception issues. > > I don't know if RS is getting out of HD radio or if they have something > better coming in, but they're unloading this Auvio tuner. > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 6 09:00:55 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:00:55 -0400 Subject: Yankees introduce 3-D live games Message-ID: I am sure NESN will follow. http://web.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100628&content_id=11680950&vkey=1&oid I just can't see this catching on and for the TV truck production biz this could be a nightmare. NEP in Pittsburgh has the only 2 trucks in the US but the conversion to HD has been expensive and the Red Sox long time vendor National Mobile Television went broke last year. NESN and the Red Sox showed HD in theaters when they first converted and I suspect thay will follow that gameplan with 3-D. Scott will you be able to see it? -- Sent from my mobile device From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 8 10:13:28 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:13:28 -0400 Subject: RIP John Henning Message-ID: Prince I will miss you :( http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/veteran_boston.html From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jul 8 12:07:23 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:07:23 -0400 Subject: John Henning Message-ID: <4C35F7BB.2050701@gmail.com> This quote from the Globe today pretty much sums it up: "Some people think I'm boring, that I don't smile enough," Mr. Henning, who was known for a straightforward delivery, told the Globe in 1981, after he announced his resignation from Channel 7. "But my philosophy is that anything that takes away from the job of presenting the news, that is distractive to the viewer, is bad. I'm talking about things like hairstyle and clothes and mannerisms." No matter how you look at it, Henning was talking about humility and the bare truth that it is not about us. My condolences to the Henning family and close friends. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jul 8 14:18:50 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:18:50 -0400 Subject: WFCR Takes Over "Silent" WGAJ Message-ID: <8CCECE125EECB24-15E0-10A56@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> This is odd; according to the FCC Applications for Thursday, 07/08, WFCR in Amherst is assuming operation of WGAJ-FM 91.7 in Deerfield, MA. I don't know if any cash is involved in the transaction. Massachusetts is broke, after all, and WFCR is owned in paht by the University of Massachusetts. Radio-locator.com indicates that WGAJ is currently off-the-air. The station's coverage area is right in WFCR's wheelhouse, and it doesn't need a repeater just a few miles up the road, unless they plan to put WNNZ-AM 640 on the frequency. From stevesnow1@gmail.com Thu Jul 8 15:00:56 2010 From: stevesnow1@gmail.com (Steve Snow) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:00:56 -0400 Subject: Anybody have this HD model? Message-ID: The only problem I've found with the portable Insignia HD radio is the headphone amplifier which is a little weak and the output impedance is kind of high; no big problem for today's standard headphones but don't try to drive your old Koss phones or one of those cassette adapters. They are too close to speaker impedance and the output drops down in volume and gets very thin. This is reminiscent of Apple's problems with the early iPods where the design had to be beefed up for later versions. From binka@idz.ru Thu Jul 1 02:36:22 2010 From: binka@idz.ru (Vladimir Minin) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:36:22 +0400 Subject: information request about radio Message-ID: <57894DD066324533B5CB5A1DEBFC269E@microsof-4c7ae1> Dear Sir/Madam. Good day! I am a student of radio direction department in Udmurt state university. In our classroom lessons we listen about your radio as one of the really good example of modern radiobroadcasting. We want to make a surprise to students and show that we have souvenirs with symbols of the radio. Please can you send for us some information materials about your Radio as well as promotional materials about it, etc. Post adress; Minin Vladimir st. Molodezhnaya 21-17 Izhevsk Post code 426072 Russia best regards, Minin Vladimir. Thank you! From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 8 16:16:40 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 16:16:40 -0400 Subject: WFCR Takes Over "Silent" WGAJ In-Reply-To: <8CCECE125EECB24-15E0-10A56@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCECE125EECB24-15E0-10A56@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > > This is odd; according to the FCC Applications for Thursday, 07/08, WFCR > in Amherst is assuming operation > of WGAJ-FM 91.7 in Deerfield, MA. I don't know if any cash is involved in > the transaction. Massachusetts > is broke, after all, and WFCR is owned in paht by the University of > Massachusetts. Radio-locator.com > indicates that WGAJ is currently off-the-air. The station's coverage area > is right in WFCR's wheelhouse, and > it doesn't need a repeater just a few miles up the road, unless they plan > to put WNNZ-AM 640 on the frequency. I suspect that's indeed the plan. WFCR's getting the license for just $10,000...a bargain (or a bah-gin, if you prefer) to be sure. s From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 8 17:46:04 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:46:04 -0400 Subject: RIP Magic Christian Message-ID: http://www.radio-info.com/news/magic-christian-dies-at-66 Didn't he also work at WVBF? From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jul 8 18:38:54 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:38:54 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> Message-ID: <030201cb1eee$596ff3f0$0c4fdbd0$@com> I believe Duncan was either a duck or a swan... -Gary Francis WBZ radio alum -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Linc Reed-Nickerson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:58 PM To: 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest locally originated color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill Hauser) purchased an RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH went on the air). Interestingly it was disassembled and made into three B & W film cameras before being reassembled and up dated with COHU encoder. I worked at WHDH in the summer of '65, and it was the best job I had from the broadcast side (Tektronix was best from the supply side). Unfortunately I was a "summer replacement" and got drafted into the Army that summer, the only full time opening I found on return from Vietnam was at WBZ. They may have been number 1, but the couldn't compare technically to WHDH. Shortly after I got there they brought Dick Ellis in as Chief from KYW, and his philosophy was to purchase industrial equipment rather than broadcast quality. No matter how bad they looked they still made numbers! Now going way back, and I asked this question to many of my colleagues at WBZ, and nobody could remember this person's identity. Jack Chase had a morning show, and on that show for bumpers they had a toddle (female) in a playpen. I'm guessing she'd be between 55 and 60 now. Who was she and where is she now? One clue, I think she might have been related to Gordon Swan. Donna? if anybody knows, you will! I also remember another personality, female, with an odd first name for a female, Duncan, I believe (ch 7 or was she Jack's co-host). Am I hallucinating, or is that a valid memory? And who was the woman that did the nautically oriented kid show on WMUR? I worked there in 1964, and they remembered her, but couldn't remember her name (Glendora and the SS Glendora?). And one final question, we had a very nice young lady that worked as a P.A. for Rex trailer, Jackie Murphy. I believe she went to B.U. and eventually married a station owner in Vermont. I know she worked at WARE for a while in the mid-70's and was also on WAQY (?) in Springfield. Just some questions about things I'd like to know (my bucket list). Linc Leighton M. "Linc" Reed-Nickerson President - KORC Radio, Inc. VP - Harney County Radio, LLC 140 Verbina St. Waldport, OR 97394 541-563-5100 - Waldport 541-272-3327 - Newport 360-907-0873 - Direct (Mobile) 800-886-3643 - Fax From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jul 8 18:40:09 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:40:09 -0400 Subject: RIP Magic Christian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <030301cb1eee$854fcb80$8fef6280$@com> He certainly did! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:46 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: RIP Magic Christian http://www.radio-info.com/news/magic-christian-dies-at-66 Didn't he also work at WVBF? From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 8 22:08:12 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:08:12 -0400 Subject: WFCR Takes Over "Silent" WGAJ In-Reply-To: References: <8CCECE125EECB24-15E0-10A56@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C36848C.1020804@fybush.com> scott@fybush.com wrote: > WFCR's getting the license for just $10,000...a bargain (or a bah-gin, if > you prefer) to be sure. And it should be noted that the Commonwealth, via UMass, has nothing to do with this transaction - the purchase is being made by the WFCR Foundation, the "friends of WFCR" nonprofit group that does fundraising for the station. s From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 9 00:45:41 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 00:45:41 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> Message-ID: <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> On 6/28/2010 1:57 PM, Linc Reed-Nickerson wrote: > I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest locally originated > color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill Hauser) purchased an > RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH went on the air). > > I remember, sometime in the spring of 1957, about 6 months or so before WHDH-TV went on the air, they were advertising something on channel 4 as "New England's only local color show." It was a filmed syndicated show, and unfortunately, I can't remember what it was. I don't think I actually ever watched it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 9 01:47:32 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 01:47:32 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I believe it was syndicated Science Fiction Theater from ZIV On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 6/28/2010 1:57 PM, Linc Reed-Nickerson wrote: > >> I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest locally originated >> color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill Hauser) purchased an >> RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH went on the >> air). >> >> >> > I remember, sometime in the spring of 1957, about 6 months or so before > WHDH-TV went on the air, they were advertising something on channel 4 as > "New England's only local color show." It was a filmed syndicated show, and > unfortunately, I can't remember what it was. I don't think I actually ever > watched it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From irw@well.com Fri Jul 9 10:25:58 2010 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RIP Magic Christian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: > http://www.radio-info.com/news/magic-christian-dies-at-66 We had a Steve "Magic" Christian at WMEE in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Same guy? - Blaine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From scott@fybush.com Fri Jul 9 13:57:46 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:57:46 -0400 Subject: RIP Magic Christian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C37631A.8050401@fybush.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> http://www.radio-info.com/news/magic-christian-dies-at-66 > > We had a Steve "Magic" Christian at WMEE in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Same guy? I don't believe so. There were several guys using the "Magic Christian" nickname back then... s From tk41c@aol.com Fri Jul 9 10:22:00 2010 From: tk41c@aol.com (tk41c@aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:22:00 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10><004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com><4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8CCED893A94B001-125C-9BB@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> It was Judge Roy Bean, originated on the station's RCA TK-26 color telecine. Later, when news became big business, the color chain was split into three monochrome chains. Much later, it was restored as a color telecine. I'm not making this up. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey To: A Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 1:47 am Subject: Re: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? I believe it was syndicated Science Fiction Theater from ZIV On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 6/28/2010 1:57 PM, Linc Reed-Nickerson wrote: > I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest locally originated > color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill Hauser) purchased an > RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH went on the > air). > > > I remember, sometime in the spring of 1957, about 6 months or so before WHDH-TV went on the air, they were advertising something on channel 4 as "New England's only local color show." It was a filmed syndicated show, and unfortunately, I can't remember what it was. I don't think I actually ever watched it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jul 9 14:40:41 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:40:41 -0400 Subject: RIP Magic Christian In-Reply-To: <4C37631A.8050401@fybush.com> References: <"P ine.GSO.4.64.1007090725250.1418"@well.com> <4C37631A.8050401@fybush.com> Message-ID: <000001cb1f96$427265e0$c75731a0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:58 PM > To: Blaine Thompson > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: RIP Magic Christian > > > I don't believe so. There were several guys using the "Magic Christian" > nickname back then... > Don't they all claim to be "Magic"? From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 9 23:36:19 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:36:19 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4C37EAB3.7020105@attorneyross.com> On 7/9/2010 1:47 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I believe it was syndicated Science Fiction Theater from ZIV > If it were that, I'd remember it. And I would have watched it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jul 9 23:37:09 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:37:09 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <8CCED893A94B001-125C-9BB@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10><004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com><4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> <8CCED893A94B001-125C-9BB@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C37EAE5.3080400@attorneyross.com> On 7/9/2010 10:22 AM, tk41c@aol.com wrote: > It was Judge Roy Bean, originated on the station's RCA TK-26 color > telecine. Yes, that's the one! I may even have watched it once or twice, though not in color. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 10 01:03:21 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:03:21 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <4C37EAB3.7020105@attorneyross.com> References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> <4C37EAB3.7020105@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Channel 4 did run it in color http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryb-LGqm7fA The show later move to 5 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:36 PM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 7/9/2010 1:47 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I believe it was syndicated Science Fiction Theater from ZIV >> >> If it were that, I'd remember it. And I would have watched it. > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jul 11 22:06:45 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:06:45 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: References: <16341025.1277694480507.JavaMail.root@n10> <004e01cb16eb$72c611a0$585234e0$@com> <4C36A975.3060004@attorneyross.com> <4C37EAB3.7020105@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4C3A78B5.8060909@attorneyross.com> On 7/10/2010 1:03 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Channel 4 did run it in color > elease Date: 07/09/10 18:36:00 > Yes, as I said, they promoted it that way. But in 1957, we didn't have a color TV. No one I knew had one. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 12 09:57:47 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:57:47 -0400 Subject: WBIX going Catholic Message-ID: <4C3B1F5B.3040703@fybush.com> So much for Business Radio...Alex Langer has filed to sell WBIX to Holy Family Communications, a Catholic broadcaster based in Buffalo that operates stations there and in Rochester. Sale price is $1 million in cash, plus a tax letter for a $500,000 donation (of the remainder of WBIX's value.) More in today's NERW... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 12 11:15:15 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:15:15 -0400 Subject: WBIX going Catholic References: <4C3B1F5B.3040703@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7EDF49D8D7A4455EBB63CA7983732F5C@SatU205S5044> So what does Holy Family have on WHIC? Some Protestant stations are pretty lively, but there are a lot that, like WEZE, are deadly dull. The same is likely true of Catholic stations. OTOH, Holy Family did build out WHIC's CP, which may or may not mean that they would do the same with WBIX's CP to move its day site to Ashland and, despite an increase in daytime power to 50 kW, give up a large chunk of daytime coverage in order to save the cost of renting the separate day site. Also, how is WHIC's technical operation? WBIX will be pretty complex even if it can operate from one site. Requires an owner who is really committed to maintaining the facilities. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: WBIX going Catholic > So much for Business Radio...Alex Langer has filed to sell WBIX to > Holy Family Communications, a Catholic broadcaster based in Buffalo > that operates stations there and in Rochester. Sale price is $1 > million in cash, plus a tax letter for a $500,000 donation (of the > remainder of WBIX's value.) > > More in today's NERW... > > s From scott@fybush.com Mon Jul 12 11:20:53 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:20:53 -0400 Subject: WBIX going Catholic In-Reply-To: <7EDF49D8D7A4455EBB63CA7983732F5C@SatU205S5044> References: <4C3B1F5B.3040703@fybush.com> <7EDF49D8D7A4455EBB63CA7983732F5C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4C3B32D5.808@fybush.com> On 7/12/2010 11:15 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > So what does Holy Family have on WHIC? Some Protestant stations are > pretty lively, but there are a lot that, like WEZE, are deadly dull. > The same is likely true of Catholic stations. WHIC (and its sister station WLOF in Buffalo) are largely EWTN programming, as are most of the Catholic stations that have been growing like crazy in the last few years. I am not a frequent listener, and am ill-qualified to render a judgment on their programming. > OTOH, Holy Family did build out WHIC's CP, which may or may not mean > that they would do the same with WBIX's CP to move its day site to > Ashland and, despite an increase in daytime power to 50 kW, give up a > large chunk of daytime coverage in order to save the cost of renting > the separate day site. Also, how is WHIC's technical operation? WBIX > will be pretty complex even if it can operate from one site. Requires > an owner who is really committed to maintaining the facilities. Holy Family had to build out WHIC's CP - they'd already lost the old 1460 site and were operating on a very temporary lease at the 950 site a mile or so to the west. The WHIC facility is a pretty simple one: a 3-tower 5 kW (equivalent) DA-N. They did a nice job on it, and it actually gets out better than the old facility did. At the same time, I've heard all kinds of rumors about Holy Family not having a lot of cash in the bank, so where they're getting $1 million in cash to buy WBIX and operate it is somewhat beyond me. s From Jibguy@aol.com Mon Jul 12 11:28:04 2010 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WBIX going Catholic Message-ID: <1dadf.34098240.396c8e84@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2010 10:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, dan.strassberg@att.net writes: Also, how is WHIC's technical operation? --------------- Doesn't really matter... Those towers were blessed, in a ceremony. I'm sure the same will happen on 1060. But they pulled it off in Rochester, getting the new tower site. Maybe they can do it here too. They seem to give a lot of attention to their stations. BB From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 11:25:55 2010 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:25:55 -0400 Subject: Fw: WBIX going Catholic Message-ID: <802BE3CEA7A8456086E03F3F50E4A394@s20035> > On 7/12/2010 11:15 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> So what does Holy Family have on WHIC? Some Protestant stations are >> pretty lively, but there are a lot that, like WEZE, are deadly dull. >> The same is likely true of Catholic stations. Take a look: http://www.wlof.net/interactive-grid.html From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 12:01:18 2010 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBIX going Catholic In-Reply-To: <4C3B32D5.808@fybush.com> Message-ID: <657734.94147.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The 1060 facility seems to be hexed. Ever since Garabedian tried to become a major player in upgrading the-then daytimer WGTR to full-time, THAT was when it never quite "made the grade" again. WGTR was a great full-service 1000 watt daytimer that really had a following in the Metro West. It was a good format. But when it tried to be a "50,000 watt" (yeah, right) all-news station, with WEEI pretty much owning THE franchise in Boston, 1060 never worked again. It never got a full operating license due to its' highly unstable directional pattern. WBZ was always on their necks claiming interference. It was to become a walking disaster. Let's see... WBIV, WSTD, WTTP, WMEX, multiple brokered formats with very little results, and of course the famous WBIX scandal...... well... 1060 has not been quite a "stellar player" in it's 38 years of existence. Hope the Catholic operators have got some money to do something with that poor station. A little prayer might be appropriate. Bon chance. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Scott Fybush wrote: > From: Scott Fybush > Subject: Re: WBIX going Catholic > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:20 AM > On 7/12/2010 11:15 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: > > So what does Holy Family have on WHIC? Some Protestant > stations are > > pretty lively, but there are a lot that, like WEZE, > are deadly dull. > > The same is likely true of Catholic stations. > > WHIC (and its sister station WLOF in Buffalo) are largely > EWTN programming, as are most of the Catholic stations that > have been growing like crazy in the last few years. > > I am not a frequent listener, and am ill-qualified to > render a judgment on their programming. > > > OTOH, Holy Family did build out WHIC's CP, which may > or may not mean > > that they would do the same with WBIX's CP to move its > day site to > > Ashland and, despite an increase in daytime power to > 50 kW, give up a > > large chunk of daytime coverage in order to save the > cost of renting > > the separate day site. Also, how is WHIC's technical > operation? WBIX > > will be pretty complex even if it can operate from one > site. Requires > > an owner who is really committed to maintaining the > facilities. > > Holy Family had to build out WHIC's CP - they'd already > lost the old 1460 site and were operating on a very > temporary lease at the 950 site a mile or so to the west. > The WHIC facility is a pretty simple one: a 3-tower 5 kW > (equivalent) DA-N. > > They did a nice job on it, and it actually gets out better > than the old facility did. > > At the same time, I've heard all kinds of rumors about Holy > Family not having a lot of cash in the bank, so where > they're getting $1 million in cash to buy WBIX and operate > it is somewhat beyond me. > > s > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 11:36:46 2010 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <030201cb1eee$596ff3f0$0c4fdbd0$@com> Message-ID: <136430.29122.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WHDH-TV/Channel 5 spared NO expense in building Boston's first ALL LOCAL COLOR facility back in 1956-57. Sure WBZ-TV may have been the first in local originated color. But unlike The Herald-Traveler, Westinghouse was somewhat of a cheap operator in comparison. No doubt, WBZ-TV put "something" on the air in color (before WHDH singed-on) just to say "Hey, we broadcast the first local color TV in Boston!". Local color on WBZ-TV was very rare until '67. Even "Boomtown's" local inserts were in black and white until the fall of '68. Look what they did with the two (and a half) WBZ-FM's over the years. But, I digress. Originally, since WTAO-TV Channel 56 was still the ABC affiliate (on paper at the time), WHDH-TV was to be an Independent (a situation similar to the WHCT/WTIC CBS issue in Hartford). When WTAO-TV went dark in early 1956, ABC quickly got WHDH-TV to join the ABC family. However, WHDH-TV was still being built at the time, so WBZ-TV (Channel 4) and WNAC-TV (Channel 7) would still cherry pick some of the better ABC programs for the time being until WHDH-TV would sign-on in November '57. Some north of Boston viewers got (and still do get) ABC full-time on WMUR-TV (Channel 9). By the way.... did Boston ever get American Bandstand on Channels 4, 7 or the-then new Channel 5 during the halcyon days of Dick Clark's daily show from Philadelphia back in the '50's? It seemed that Bandstand was constantly pre-empted in this market for years until WSBK-TV (Channel 38) ran it for a few years in the 60's. Used to watch AB on TV38 in '67 and '68. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > From: Gary's Ice Cream > Subject: RE: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > To: "'Linc Reed-Nickerson'" > Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" > Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 6:38 PM > I believe Duncan was either a duck or > a swan... > > -Gary Francis > WBZ radio alum > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of > Linc Reed-Nickerson > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:58 PM > To: 'Boston Radio Group' > Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > > I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest > locally originated > color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill > Hauser) purchased an > RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH > went on the air). > > Interestingly it was disassembled and made into three B > & W film cameras > before being reassembled and up dated with COHU > encoder.? > > I worked at WHDH in the summer of '65, and it was the best > job I had from > the broadcast side (Tektronix was best from the supply > side).? Unfortunately > I was a "summer replacement" and got drafted into the Army > that summer, the > only full time opening I found on return from Vietnam was > at WBZ.? They may > have been number 1, but the couldn't compare technically to > WHDH.? Shortly > after I got there they brought Dick Ellis in as Chief from > KYW, and his > philosophy was to purchase industrial equipment rather than > broadcast > quality. No matter how bad they looked they still made > numbers! > > Now going way back, and I asked this question to many of my > colleagues at > WBZ, and nobody could remember this person's > identity.? Jack Chase had a > morning show, and on that show for bumpers they had a > toddle (female) in a > playpen.? I'm guessing she'd be between 55 and 60 > now.? Who was she and > where is she now?? One clue, I think she might have > been related to Gordon > Swan.? Donna? if anybody knows, you will! > > I also remember another personality, female, with an odd > first name for a > female, Duncan, I believe (ch 7 or was she Jack's > co-host).? Am I > hallucinating, or is that a valid memory? > > And who was the woman that did the nautically oriented kid > show on WMUR?? I > worked there in 1964, and they remembered her, but couldn't > remember her > name (Glendora and the SS Glendora?). > > And one final question, we had a very nice young lady that > worked as a P.A. > for Rex trailer, Jackie Murphy.? I believe she went to > B.U. and eventually > married a station owner in Vermont.? I know she worked > at WARE for a while > in the mid-70's and was also on WAQY (?) in Springfield. > > Just some questions about things I'd like to know (my > bucket list). > > Linc > > Leighton M. "Linc" Reed-Nickerson > President - KORC Radio, Inc. > VP - Harney County Radio, LLC > 140 Verbina St. > Waldport, OR 97394 > 541-563-5100 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting - Waldport > 541-272-3327 - Newport > 360-907-0873 - Direct (Mobile) > 800-886-3643 - Fax > > > > > From mward@iname.com Mon Jul 12 13:34:21 2010 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:34:21 -0400 Subject: WBIX going Catholic In-Reply-To: <4C3B32D5.808@fybush.com> References: <4C3B1F5B.3040703@fybush.com> <7EDF49D8D7A4455EBB63CA7983732F5C@SatU205S5044> <4C3B32D5.808@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > At the same time, I've heard all kinds of rumors about Holy Family not > having a lot of cash in the bank, so where they're getting $1 million in > cash to buy WBIX and operate it is somewhat beyond me. Maybe they saved the money they got from selling WLOA/1470 Farrell PA to Harold Glunt? ;) (That'd still be a portion of it, only...they did NOT sell 1470 for anything near a million bucks...) Disclosure alert: I was operations manager for 1470 in its days as automated oldies "The Rock" WRQQ, circa 1991.... From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 12 14:11:53 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:11:53 -0400 Subject: WBIX going Catholic References: <657734.94147.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But under Langer's ownership, WBIX DID get a license for its night operation. Turns out that a high-voltage AC power line runs north and south less than a mile east of the east edge of the Tx site at the end of Sewell St in Ashland. The line runs right in front of WAMGs two patterns and WBIX's night pattern. To bring the patterns into spec, that line had to be detuned for both 890 AND 1060--no small engineering feat! But between Langer and Waller-Sutton, they engaged consulting-engineering teams with the knowledge and experience to pull it off. And in the process of fixing WAMG, measurements were taken that purportedly show that the soil conductivity to the east of the site is so poor that WBIX can use its night pattern by day with 50 kW and can send the equivalent of more than half a million watts ND to the east without causing prohibited overlap of 25 mV/m contours with third-adjacent WBZ. At 50 kW, WBIX's inverse-distance field at 1 km will be 6710 mV/m. Meanwhile WBZ sends an ID field of ~4000 mV/m due west (right toward WBIX) from its Hull site, which is only about 28 miles from WBIX's night site. (And a significant fraction of the path is salt water!) Even so, WAMG's measurements and WBIX's proposal apparently satisfied the FCC's engineers and must have satisfied the technical types at CBS, because they did not raise a peep about WBIX's proposal, for which the FCC granted a CP just weeks after it was accepted for filing. Actually, when Garabedian was duking it out with Wetinghouse about the technical feasbility of a high-powered AM 1060 in MetroWest, although Westinghouse was trying to protect WBZ's signal, the station around which the arguments centered was KYW, because it was easier to prove prohibited overlap with a co-channel station than with a third-adjacent. Conveniently for Westinghouse, the company owned both WBZ and KYW. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: WBIX going Catholic > It never got a full operating license due to its' highly unstable > directional pattern. WBZ was always on their necks claiming > interference. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Mon Jul 12 15:58:35 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:58:35 +0000 Subject: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C3B73EB.7000401@Gmail.com> The translator from Gloucester, W279BQ-103.7, was noted for the first time last night at 7:50pm??though it is passing WSMA-90.5 Scituate, not WRYP-90.1 Wellfleet, as expected. As for where it's xmt-ing from, Cummings Center, Beverly: Lic. http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1332585.html or Highland Ave. (c.Hawthorne Sq. Mall), Salem: CP http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1351441.html There didn't seem to be any spike in strength as I was coming home past the Cummings Center, so I strongly suspect it is Highland Ave. location (unless its the formerly planned Beverly Farms spot at Hart & Hale St.s?). Also, when I left Beverly Depot this morning, there seemed to be a Jazz station mixed in, both on 103.7 AND 90.5, **BUT** the 103.7 signal seemed to be independent of W279BQ (i.e., it didn't seem like 'BQ was passing both signals)! Also this morning, noted a fairly strong signal on 94.9 playing EZ-listening type instrumental music, here in Beverly: I don't believe it was W235AV out in Tatnuck. It appeared gone by noon or 1-ish. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jul 12 16:37:56 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:37:56 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? Message-ID: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I was in Children's Hospital for an extended period back in the winter of 1957-58 and American Bandstand was most surely on the air, I'm quite sure on Channel 5. I remember watching it from my hospital bed. -Dougf Quoting "Peter Q. George" : > WHDH-TV/Channel 5 spared NO expense in building Boston's first ALL > LOCAL COLOR > facility back in 1956-57. Sure WBZ-TV may have been the first in local > originated color. But unlike The Herald-Traveler, Westinghouse was > somewhat of > a cheap operator in comparison. No doubt, WBZ-TV put "something" on > the air in > color (before WHDH singed-on) just to say "Hey, we broadcast the first local > color TV in Boston!". Local color on WBZ-TV was very rare until '67. Even > "Boomtown's" local inserts were in black and white until the fall of > '68. Look > what they did with the two (and a half) WBZ-FM's over the years. But, > I digress. > > Originally, since WTAO-TV Channel 56 was still the ABC affiliate (on paper at > the time), WHDH-TV was to be an Independent (a situation similar to the > WHCT/WTIC CBS issue in Hartford). When WTAO-TV went dark in early 1956, ABC > quickly got WHDH-TV to join the ABC family. However, WHDH-TV was still being > built at the time, so WBZ-TV (Channel 4) and WNAC-TV (Channel 7) would still > cherry pick some of the better ABC programs for the time being until WHDH-TV > would sign-on in November '57. Some north of Boston viewers got (and > still do > get) ABC full-time on WMUR-TV (Channel 9). > > By the way.... did Boston ever get American Bandstand on Channels 4, 7 or > the-then new Channel 5 during the halcyon days of Dick Clark's daily > show from > Philadelphia back in the '50's? It seemed that Bandstand was constantly > pre-empted in this market for years until WSBK-TV (Channel 38) ran it > for a few > years in the 60's. Used to watch AB on TV38 in '67 and '68. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > > > From: Gary's Ice Cream > > Subject: RE: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > > To: "'Linc Reed-Nickerson'" > > Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" > > Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 6:38 PM > > I believe Duncan was either a duck or > > a swan... > > > > -Gary Francis > > WBZ radio alum > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > > On Behalf Of > > Linc Reed-Nickerson > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:58 PM > > To: 'Boston Radio Group' > > Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > > > > I believe WBZ can probably take the honors for earliest > > locally originated > > color transmission, not live, but because they (Bill > > Hauser) purchased an > > RCA TK-26 color film chain (before or about the time WHDH > > went on the air). > > > > Interestingly it was disassembled and made into three B > > & W film cameras > > before being reassembled and up dated with COHU > > encoder.? > > > > I worked at WHDH in the summer of '65, and it was the best > > job I had from > > the broadcast side (Tektronix was best from the supply > > side).? Unfortunately > > I was a "summer replacement" and got drafted into the Army > > that summer, the > > only full time opening I found on return from Vietnam was > > at WBZ.? They may > > have been number 1, but the couldn't compare technically to > > WHDH.? Shortly > > after I got there they brought Dick Ellis in as Chief from > > KYW, and his > > philosophy was to purchase industrial equipment rather than > > broadcast > > quality. No matter how bad they looked they still made > > numbers! > > > > Now going way back, and I asked this question to many of my > > colleagues at > > WBZ, and nobody could remember this person's > > identity.? Jack Chase had a > > morning show, and on that show for bumpers they had a > > toddle (female) in a > > playpen.? I'm guessing she'd be between 55 and 60 > > now.? Who was she and > > where is she now?? One clue, I think she might have > > been related to Gordon > > Swan.? Donna? if anybody knows, you will! > > > > I also remember another personality, female, with an odd > > first name for a > > female, Duncan, I believe (ch 7 or was she Jack's > > co-host).? Am I > > hallucinating, or is that a valid memory? > > > > And who was the woman that did the nautically oriented kid > > show on WMUR?? I > > worked there in 1964, and they remembered her, but couldn't > > remember her > > name (Glendora and the SS Glendora?). > > > > And one final question, we had a very nice young lady that > > worked as a P.A. > > for Rex trailer, Jackie Murphy.? I believe she went to > > B.U. and eventually > > married a station owner in Vermont.? I know she worked > > at WARE for a while > > in the mid-70's and was also on WAQY (?) in Springfield. > > > > Just some questions about things I'd like to know (my > > bucket list). > > > > Linc > > > > Leighton M. "Linc" Reed-Nickerson > > President - KORC Radio, Inc. > > VP - Harney County Radio, LLC > > 140 Verbina St. > > Waldport, OR 97394 > > 541-563-5100 > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > begin_of_the_skype_highlighting??????????????541-563-5100??????end_of_the_skype_highlighting > - Waldport > > 541-272-3327 - Newport > > 360-907-0873 - Direct (Mobile) > > 800-886-3643 - Fax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 12 17:01:20 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:01:20 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:37 PM 7/12/2010, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >I was in Children's Hospital for an extended period back in the >winter of 1957-58 and American Bandstand was most surely on the air, >I'm quite sure on Channel 5. I remember watching it from my hospital bed. WMUR (channel 9) in New Hampshire picked it up first-- in 1957, they were an ABC affiliate, if I recall correctly. Channel 9 in Hartford also picked it up. It wasn't till the late autumn of 1957 that channel 5 in Boston picked it up, and that is where I saw it every day. 8-) From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jul 12 19:03:04 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:03:04 -0400 Subject: Retired Globe Sports TV Critic Jack Craig Has Passed Away Message-ID: The Boston Globe reports that Jack Craig, who became the first full time newspaper critic to write about sports on TV, passed away Friday July 9th at the age of 81. Mr. Craig was employed at the Globe from 1966 to 1996, and also wrote columns for the Sporting News & Sports Illustrated. Details from the Globe's website: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/jack_craig_trai.html Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jul 12 20:40:47 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:40:47 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> There was a Channel 9 in Hartford??? I think that would have come as a surprise to both WOR-TV and WMUR-TV to which it would have been extremely short-spaced. Don't you mean Channel 8? (Channel 8 was really licensed to New Haven, but transmitted from Meriden Mtn, I believe, and therefore also served Hartford.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: ; "'Linc Reed-Nickerson'" ; "Gary's Ice Cream" ; "Peter Q. George" Cc: "'Boston radio e-mail list'" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: RE: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > WMUR (channel 9) in New Hampshire picked it up first-- in 1957, they > were an ABC affiliate, if I recall correctly. Channel 9 in Hartford > also picked it up. It wasn't till the late autumn of 1957 that > channel 5 in Boston picked it up, and that is where I saw it every > day. 8-) From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 12 23:25:10 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:25:10 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <136430.29122.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <136430.29122.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C3BDC96.8030308@attorneyross.com> On 7/12/2010 11:36 AM, Peter Q. George wrote: > By the way.... did Boston ever get American Bandstand on Channels 4, 7 or the-then new Channel 5 during the halcyon days of Dick Clark's daily show from Philadelphia back in the '50's? It seemed that Bandstand was constantly pre-empted in this market for years until WSBK-TV (Channel 38) ran it for a few years in the 60's. Used to watch AB on TV38 in '67 and '68. > I remember seeing it on channel 5 circa 1958-59 or so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 12 23:29:44 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:29:44 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4C3BDDA8.2070501@attorneyross.com> On 7/12/2010 5:01 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > WMUR (channel 9) in New Hampshire picked it up first-- in 1957, they > were an ABC affiliate, if I recall correctly. Channel 9 in Hartford > also picked it up. It wasn't till the late autumn of 1957 that > channel 5 in Boston picked it up, and that is where I saw it every > day. 8-) Which was when channel 5 first came on. Just a couple of days before Thanksgiving, as I recall. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jul 12 23:32:17 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:32:17 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> On 7/12/2010 8:40 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > There was a Channel 9 in Hartford??? I think that would have come as a > surprise to both WOR-TV and WMUR-TV to which it would have been > extremely short-spaced. Don't you mean Channel 8? (Channel 8 was > really licensed to New Haven, but transmitted from Meriden Mtn, I > believe, and therefore also served Hartford.) > While I have a lot of respect for Donna's knowledge of TV history, I don't think there was ever a channel 9 in Hartford. Channel 8 was the ABC affiliate there, and north of Hartford, there was also eventually channel 40 from Springfield. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jul 12 23:34:16 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:34:16 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:32 PM 7/12/2010, A Joseph Ross wrote: >While I have a lot of respect for Donna's knowledge of TV history, I >don't think there was ever a channel 9 in Hartford. I may have mis-typed. I meant to type Channel 9 in New Hampshire and Channel 8 in Hartford. Sorry. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 13 00:56:07 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:56:07 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I may have mis-typed. I meant to type Channel 9 in New Hampshire and > Channel 8 in Hartford. Sorry. Not to pile on here, but WNHC-TV/WTNH was never in Hartford -- always New Haven, and always AFAIK transmitting from Hamden, just north of the Wilbur Cross Parkway. And it started out on channel 6, and later moved to channel 8 with the Great Northeast VHF Realignment. (Recall that the same realignment moved WJAR-TV from 11 to 10 and WRGB from 4 to 6, and eventually led to a whole mess of changes in Western New York that took a decade to finally play out[1] (6 Rochester to 5, 5 Rochester and 8 Syracuse swap, useless 4 Utica added, 13 Utica to 2, 13 Rochester and 13 Albany added). Then after the freeze was lifted you had 5 Worcester moved to Boston, new 6 New Bedford, new 12 Providence, and eventually new 3 Hartford -- not to mention 11 Durham, 3 Burlington, 9 Manchester, 8 Poland Spring, all coming on in the mid-to-late 1950s. -GAWollman [1] Fybush has been promising to write the definitive article on this for at least a decade now. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jul 13 02:16:35 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:16:35 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20100713061648.304A91B4020@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:56 AM 7/13/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: >Not to pile on here, but WNHC-TV/WTNH was never in Hartford -- always >New Haven, and always AFAIK transmitting from Hamden, just north of >the Wilbur Cross Parkway. Okay, but in fairness, I was using the Hartford Courant as my source, and in the late 1950s, THEY listed channel 8 in their Hartford TV listings. How was I supposed to know???? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 13 02:50:58 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:50:58 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <20100713061648.304A91B4020@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20100713061648.304A91B4020@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <19516.3282.944950.435937@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > At 12:56 AM 7/13/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Not to pile on here, but WNHC-TV/WTNH was never in Hartford -- always >> New Haven, and always AFAIK transmitting from Hamden, just north of >> the Wilbur Cross Parkway. > Okay, but in fairness, I was using the Hartford Courant as my source, > and in the late 1950s, THEY listed channel 8 in their Hartford TV > listings. How was I supposed to know???? It's pretty much common knowledge on this mailing-list. :-) Certianly many /Courant/ readers would have been able to receive channel 8 without difficulty, and it was the only source for ABC programs for most TV viewers in the /Courant/'s circulation area. Connecticut's first cable system was apparently as late as 1972, which surprises me somewhat -- I would have expected it to have been earlier. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 13 06:27:40 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:27:40 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net><20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044><4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com><20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3AF3816B4B634065860425D9BF017F68@SatU205S5044> In this part of the country, high-band VHFs (7-13) were normally allowed 316 kW @ 1000' AAT, but the New Haven 8 was an exception (AFAIK, the first of several exceptions in the Northeast). But wasn't it a unique exception? Weren't the others (6 New Bedford--and yes, I'm quite aware that 6 was a low-band VHF--and 10/13 Albany are the ones I can think of) all short-spaced to co-channel stations, whereas New Haven was short spaced to first-adjacent 7 and 9 in the New York City market. As a result, I believe that New Haven was limited to 316 kW @ 500' AAT. So how high (above ground) was the Channel 8 New Haven antenna? Does the Hamden tower still stand? If so, who is using it now? And isn't Hartford at a somewhat higher elevation than Hamden? Wouldn't that have made for reception problems for 8 in Hartford? Did 8 refrain from moving to Meriden Mtn (which is farther from NYC than Hamden is) because doing so would have short-spaced it to Poland Spring? Mt Washington is in the northern New England allocation zone and minimum spacings (as well as maximum equivalent antenna heights) are greater for it than for stations in more populous parts of New England. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:56 AM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > Not to pile on here, but WNHC-TV/WTNH was never in Hartford -- > always > New Haven, and always AFAIK transmitting from Hamden, just north of > the Wilbur Cross Parkway.> > -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jul 13 06:48:53 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:48:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <3AF3816B4B634065860425D9BF017F68@SatU205S5044> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3AF3816B4B634065860425D9BF017F68@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I know from where I lived in Connecticut... Colchester to be exact, then WTWS 26 came in the best because it was RIGHT down the road.. but a very very close 2nd was WTIC 61 and right behind them was WVIT 30.. those 3 had the best TV signals in my house. Channel 8 was kinda iffy. I didn't get great signals from any Rhode Island stations either. Keep in mind I was using just a set top antenna. Paul Walker On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > In this part of the country, high-band VHFs (7-13) were normally > allowed 316 kW @ 1000' AAT, but the New Haven 8 was an exception > (AFAIK, the first of several exceptions in the Northeast). But wasn't > it a unique exception? Weren't the others (6 New Bedford--and yes, I'm > quite aware that 6 was a low-band VHF--and 10/13 Albany are the ones I > can think of) all short-spaced to co-channel stations, whereas New > Haven was short spaced to first-adjacent 7 and 9 in the New York City > market. As a result, I believe that New Haven was limited to 316 kW @ > 500' AAT. So how high (above ground) was the Channel 8 New Haven > antenna? Does the Hamden tower still stand? If so, who is using it > now? And isn't Hartford at a somewhat higher elevation than Hamden? > Wouldn't that have made for reception problems for 8 in Hartford? Did > 8 refrain from moving to Meriden Mtn (which is farther from NYC than > Hamden is) because doing so would have short-spaced it to Poland > Spring? Mt Washington is in the northern New England allocation zone > and minimum spacings (as well as maximum equivalent antenna heights) > are greater for it than for stations in more populous parts of New > England. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" < > wollman@bimajority.org> > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:56 AM > Subject: Re: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? > > > Not to pile on here, but WNHC-TV/WTNH was never in Hartford -- >> always >> New Haven, and always AFAIK transmitting from Hamden, just north of >> the Wilbur Cross Parkway.> >> -GAWollman >> > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jul 13 08:55:56 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:55:56 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3AF3816B4B634065860425D9BF017F68@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I grew up in Colchester and never had a problem receiving Channel 8. We had the rooftop antenna with a rotor, which really was a must there, and got a ton of stations. But, it made channel surfing difficult. CBS and NBC (later FOX) in Hartford, ABC in New Haven, PBS repeater in Norwich, and 26 in New London meant you most likely had to turn the rotor whenever you changed the station. Plus, our set had a decent tuner, so we were often able to pull in 38 and 56 out of Boston, the VHF's from Providence, and Channel 5 from NYC. There was always something on to watch, but you often had to fight for it..... -Dave Tomm On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I know from where I lived in Connecticut... Colchester to be exact, > then > WTWS 26 came in the best because it was RIGHT down the road.. but a > very > very close 2nd was WTIC 61 and right behind them was WVIT 30.. those > 3 had > the best TV signals in my house. Channel 8 was kinda iffy. > > I didn't get great signals from any Rhode Island stations either. > > Keep in mind I was using just a set top antenna. > > Paul Walker > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jul 13 09:00:10 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:00:10 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3AF3816B4B634065860425D9BF017F68@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: And all I ever had was a set top antenna.. my mom wasnt going to let me put something on the roof. I forgot about the Norwich PBS repeater, I didn't watch it once.. usually I watched PBS, if at all, on Channel 24 Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Dave Tomm wrote: > I grew up in Colchester and never had a problem receiving Channel 8. We > had the rooftop antenna with a rotor, which really was a must there, and got > a ton of stations. But, it made channel surfing difficult. CBS and NBC > (later FOX) in Hartford, ABC in New Haven, PBS repeater in Norwich, and 26 > in New London meant you most likely had to turn the rotor whenever you > changed the station. Plus, our set had a decent tuner, so we were often > able to pull in 38 and 56 out of Boston, the VHF's from Providence, and > Channel 5 from NYC. There was always something on to watch, but you often > had to fight for it..... > > -Dave Tomm > > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > I know from where I lived in Connecticut... Colchester to be exact, then >> WTWS 26 came in the best because it was RIGHT down the road.. but a very >> very close 2nd was WTIC 61 and right behind them was WVIT 30.. those 3 had >> the best TV signals in my house. Channel 8 was kinda iffy. >> >> I didn't get great signals from any Rhode Island stations either. >> >> Keep in mind I was using just a set top antenna. >> >> Paul Walker >> >> > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jul 13 12:13:30 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:13:30 -0400 Subject: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3B73EB.7000401@Gmail.com> References: <4C3B73EB.7000401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: While I didn't hear it last night in the wee hours, it was coming in this morning here in Beverly. I was telling a co-worker of mine about WBIX going Catholic radio (and told him it may take awhile for the FCC to approve; indeed the Herald online said that WBIX would keep doing business radio into the start of autumn) and also told him "it's more Protestant I think" (my co-worker is a devout Catholic) "but there's a station from Scituate at 90.5 that you may be able to pick up"--he also lives in Beverly. Now I'll tell him about the 103.7 which is apparently relaying the 90.5 (WSMA I think are the calls). From ka3zci@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 03:56:24 2010 From: ka3zci@yahoo.com (Robert Paine) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Channel 8 Message-ID: <895606.45068.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, may I respectfully correct your statement that Ch. 8 transmitted from Meriden Mtn.? The transmitter is on Mad Mare Mountain in Hamden. It was and may still be called Gaillard Mountain. Ch. 20, nee Ch. 53, Waterbury, transmitted from West Peak on Meriden Mt. from 1953 until sometime before 1974. By the time I moved to Waterbury in '73, 20's studio and transmitter were on Peach Orchard Road, Prospect. Bob Paine From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 13 23:28:05 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:28:05 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV History and Where Are They Now? In-Reply-To: <20100713061648.304A91B4020@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100712163756.j0cj2d7jtcoc8skc@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <20100712210132.B7A7D1B40D3@relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <103E63D7C79044C6B9034D3869801B13@SatU205S5044> <4C3BDE41.30509@attorneyross.com> <20100713033428.953251B578C@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <19515.61927.62607.706599@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20100713061648.304A91B4020@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4C3D2EC5.9010800@attorneyross.com> On 7/13/2010 2:16 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > Okay, but in fairness, I was using the Hartford Courant as my source, > and in the late 1950s, THEY listed channel 8 in their Hartford TV > listings. How was I supposed to know???? But the New Hampshire and Providence channels have always been listed in the Boston papers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jul 14 02:26:31 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:26:31 -0400 Subject: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3B73EB.7000401@Gmail.com> References: <4C3B73EB.7000401@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCF134A26AEA9B-112C-B076@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com> They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or words to that effect) Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? -----Original Message----- From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:58 pm Subject: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? The translator from Gloucester, W279BQ-103.7, was noted for the first time last night at 7:50pm??though it is passing WSMA-90.5 Scituate, not WRYP-90.1 Wellfleet, as expected. As for where it's xmt-ing from, Cummings Center, Beverly: Lic. http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1332585.html or Highland Ave. (c.Hawthorne Sq. Mall), Salem: CP http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1351441.html There didn't seem to be any spike in strength as I was coming home past the Cummings Center, so I strongly suspect it is Highland Ave. location (unless its the formerly planned Beverly Farms spot at Hart & Hale St.s?). Also, when I left Beverly Depot this morning, there seemed to be a Jazz station mixed in, both on 103.7 AND 90.5, **BUT** the 103.7 signal seemed to be independent of W279BQ (i.e., it didn't seem like 'BQ was passing both signals)! Also this morning, noted a fairly strong signal on 94.9 playing EZ-listening type instrumental music, here in Beverly: I don't believe it was W235AV out in Tatnuck. It appeared gone by noon or 1-ish. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 08:38:21 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:38:21 +0000 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > words to that effect) > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum??which GPS, Google Maps and just about everyone else uses??is beyond logic), http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h No sign of anything there, now! The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as the transmitting site: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 08:56:50 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:56:50 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off when using exact co-ordinates. I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps putn it 500 feet off from where I knew it to be. Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where the translator licenses itself? Paul Walker On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild < Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > > words to that effect) > > > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? > > In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the > "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either > case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). > They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf > > which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they > haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum??which GPS, Google Maps and > just about everyone else uses??is beyond logic), > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center > parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h > > No sign of anything there, now! > The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf > > with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square > Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as the > transmitting site: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h > > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to > Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Jul 14 09:44:36 2010 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:44:36 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> It looks like your map is centered on top of the Instant Alarm building. It would make sense there - they already have an antenna mast for their wireless alarms and old business band radios (not sure if they're using it for either). Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston- > radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kaimbridge M. > GoldChild > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:38 AM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? > > > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > > words to that effect) > > > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? > > In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the > "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for > either case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). > They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf > > which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they > haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum??which GPS, Google Maps > and just about everyone else uses??is beyond logic), > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within- > radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center > parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h > > No sign of anything there, now! > The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf > > with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within- > radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns=N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne > Square Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and > Greenledge St) as the transmitting site: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h > > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to > Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 14 09:52:51 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:52:51 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> Message-ID: <4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> >> So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to >> Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). COL is pretty nearly irrelevant where translators are concerned. There's no requirement that a translator cover all (or any) of its COL, nor that it have a public file or provide any public-interest programming to that community. It doesn't even need to have an aural ID with the COL mentioned, so long as it does an FSK ID. I believe the translator that migrated from Cape Ann to Fitchburg still has "Gloucester" listed as its COL. s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 10:07:53 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:07:53 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> <4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> Message-ID: ANd you are right, as always, Scott.. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W288CE&service=FX&status=C&hours=U On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to >>> Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). >>> >> > COL is pretty nearly irrelevant where translators are concerned. There's no > requirement that a translator cover all (or any) of its COL, nor that it > have a public file or provide any public-interest programming to that > community. It doesn't even need to have an aural ID with the COL mentioned, > so long as it does an FSK ID. > > I believe the translator that migrated from Cape Ann to Fitchburg still has > "Gloucester" listed as its COL. > > s > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 14 10:12:47 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:12:47 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> <4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> Message-ID: I guess nothing is too absurd for the FCC. Aren't translators supposed to be the most local of local services? If so, in the FCC's Alice in Wonderland world, what could make more sense than to require no local content, no local ID, and no coverage of the CoL? And with so much now invested in translators--mainly by the Religious Right, who have enormous political clout in DC--the likelihood of this absurd situation ever being corrected appears (only a bit optimistically) to be zero. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? > > COL is pretty nearly irrelevant where translators are concerned. > There's no requirement that a translator cover all (or any) of its > COL, nor that it have a public file or provide any public-interest > programming to that community. It doesn't even need to have an aural > ID with the COL mentioned, so long as it does an FSK ID. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 10:22:47 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:22:47 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com> <4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> Message-ID: No Dan, they are not the most local of local service.. they are unprotected fill in services, supposedly Paul On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I guess nothing is too absurd for the FCC. Aren't translators supposed > to be the most local of local services? If so, in the FCC's Alice in > Wonderland world, what could make more sense than to require no local > content, no local ID, and no coverage of the CoL? And with so much now > invested in translators--mainly by the Religious Right, who have > enormous political clout in DC--the likelihood of this absurd > situation ever being corrected appears (only a bit optimistically) to > be zero. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On > 94.9? > >> >> COL is pretty nearly irrelevant where translators are concerned. >> There's no requirement that a translator cover all (or any) of its >> COL, nor that it have a public file or provide any public-interest >> programming to that community. It doesn't even need to have an aural >> ID with the COL mentioned, so long as it does an FSK ID. >> > > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 11:27:17 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:27:17 +0000 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> Paul Walker wrote, > Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off > when using exact co-ordinates. > > I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps > putn it 500 feet off from where I knew it to be. I don't know if the coordinates were different then, but based on the current ones, did you map them using NAD-83: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6000083&lon=-98.9337&z=18&m=h or NAD-27: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6&lon=-98.9333333&z=18&m=h There looks like about a 31m/100ft difference: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6&lon=-98.9333333&z=19&l=0&m=m&gz=0;-989337000;416000000;3674;0;0;80 Also, I think height can distort map plotting. > Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where > the translator licenses itself? Well, because I was thinking that now Salem doesn't have its own station, forgetting about WMWM....Oh, hi Raccoon! P=) But, as Scott just pointed out, translator COLs are pretty much meaningless??though IDing as the transmitter city is certainly more relevant, particularly in this case. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 11:34:54 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> Message-ID: WikiMaps and Googlemaps show about the same location but theyre both off. Look at S 20th street going South.. look to the left, see the oipen field and the big round white blob? That's where the K04HL Antenna sits, on top oif the town water tank. As a side note, K02HJ is at the OTHER end of town and it's call letters are painted on the transmitter shack in black! Translators have NO coverage requirements with regards to their signal actually covering their COL. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild < Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > Paul Walker wrote, > > > > Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off > > when using exact co-ordinates. > > > > I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps > > putn it 500 feet off from where I knew it to be. > > I don't know if the coordinates were different then, but based on the > current ones, did you map them using NAD-83: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6000083&lon=-98.9337&z=18&m=h > > or NAD-27: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6&lon=-98.9333333&z=18&m=h > > There looks like about a 31m/100ft difference: > > > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=41.6&lon=-98.9333333&z=19&l=0&m=m&gz=0;-989337000;416000000;3674;0;0;80 > > Also, I think height can distort map plotting. > > > > Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where > > the translator licenses itself? > > Well, because I was thinking that now Salem doesn't have its own station, > forgetting about WMWM....Oh, hi Raccoon! P=) > But, as Scott just pointed out, translator COLs are pretty much > meaningless??though IDing as the transmitter city is certainly more > relevant, particularly in this case. > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 12:48:19 2010 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:48:19 -0400 Subject: AT40 pays tribute to Casey Kasem Message-ID: Did anyone catch AT40's tribute to Casey Kasem when it aired? From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 13:59:23 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:59:23 +0000 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C3DFAFB.80401@Gmail.com> Paul Walker wrote, > WikiMaps and Googlemaps show about the same location but > theyre both off. > > Look at S 20th street going South.. look to the left, see the > oipen field and the big round white blob? That's where the K04HL > Antenna sits, on top oif the town water tank. Well, if you go to the USGS National Map Viewer and plug in "41.6 -98.9337", it shows it right where GoogleMaps puts it (or does the USGS just use GoogleMaps?): http://viewer.nationalmap.gov/viewer/?q=41.6000%20-98.9337&x=-11013240.745994333&y=5101265.158765939&p=default&b=base2&i=0&l=18 while it shows the water tower as being at "41.5983 -98.9355": http://viewer.nationalmap.gov/viewer/?q=41.5983%20-98.9355&x=-11013410.66569932&y=5100984.923970435&p=default&b=base2&i=0&l=18 Maybe the stated xmtr coordinates are off? Did you verify the water tower/xmtr coordinates with GPS or local property records? Yeah, yeah, I know: I've got waaaay too much time on my hands! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 16:09:03 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:09:03 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <7846644.1279112756232.JavaMail.root@n10> <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> Message-ID: Interesting Linc, thanks for the information. Paul On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Linc Reed-Nickerson < linc@reed-nickerson.com> wrote: > It's not Google maps that's off, it depends on which NAD (North American > Datum) was used for the coordinates. NAD 27 or NAD 83. > > In some cases the coordinates were wrong to errors in local base maps, the > USGS isn't perfect, or in others the applicant simply took a SWAG at the > coordinates and got them wrong. > > When I first looked at KORC I found the tower to be over a 1/4 mile from > where it was supposed to be. The original owner did some pretty sloppy > work, and defining the location may have been part of it. I had to apply > for a CP to correct the coordinates, fortunately I had recent impedance > measurements to relicense something that already existed. > > There are cases of stations built years ago, in the wrong place for > whatever > reason, and the FCC found it only after the advent of GPS, and fined the > station owner... even though the station hadn't moved and had been in place > for 50 plus years... One station, in Eugene, OR I believe, was due to a > base > map error and the fine was rescinded after the consulting engineer was able > show where the error had come from. > > Linc > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:57 AM > To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? > > Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off when using > exact co-ordinates. > > I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps putn it > 500 > feet off from where I knew it to be. > > Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where the > translator > licenses itself? > > Paul Walker > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild < > Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > > > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > > > words to that effect) > > > > > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > > > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > > > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? > > > > In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the > > "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either > > case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). > > They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, > > > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf > > > > which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they > > haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum--which GPS, Google Maps > and > > just about everyone else uses--is beyond logic), > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns= > N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > > > locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center > > parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: > > > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h > > > > No sign of anything there, now! > > The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, > > > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf > > > > with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns= > N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > > > identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square > > Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as > the > > transmitting site: > > > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h > > > > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to > > Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). > > > > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > > > ----- > > Wikipedia-Contributor Home Page: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 16:09:08 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:09:08 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <7846644.1279112756232.JavaMail.root@n10> <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> Message-ID: Interesting Linc, thanks for the information. Paul On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Linc Reed-Nickerson < linc@reed-nickerson.com> wrote: > It's not Google maps that's off, it depends on which NAD (North American > Datum) was used for the coordinates. NAD 27 or NAD 83. > > In some cases the coordinates were wrong to errors in local base maps, the > USGS isn't perfect, or in others the applicant simply took a SWAG at the > coordinates and got them wrong. > > When I first looked at KORC I found the tower to be over a 1/4 mile from > where it was supposed to be. The original owner did some pretty sloppy > work, and defining the location may have been part of it. I had to apply > for a CP to correct the coordinates, fortunately I had recent impedance > measurements to relicense something that already existed. > > There are cases of stations built years ago, in the wrong place for > whatever > reason, and the FCC found it only after the advent of GPS, and fined the > station owner... even though the station hadn't moved and had been in place > for 50 plus years... One station, in Eugene, OR I believe, was due to a > base > map error and the fine was rescinded after the consulting engineer was able > show where the error had come from. > > Linc > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:57 AM > To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? > > Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off when using > exact co-ordinates. > > I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps putn it > 500 > feet off from where I knew it to be. > > Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where the > translator > licenses itself? > > Paul Walker > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild < > Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > > > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > > > words to that effect) > > > > > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > > > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > > > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? > > > > In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the > > "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either > > case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). > > They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, > > > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf > > > > which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they > > haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum--which GPS, Google Maps > and > > just about everyone else uses--is beyond logic), > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns= > N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > > > locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center > > parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: > > > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h > > > > No sign of anything there, now! > > The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, > > > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf > > > > with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns= > N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > > > identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square > > Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as > the > > transmitting site: > > > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h > > > > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to > > Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). > > > > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > > > ----- > > Wikipedia-Contributor Home Page: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Jul 15 03:33:52 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:33:52 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> Message-ID: As I like to point out on the air, WMWM--the best radio station in Salem! (Also the only one! Well, physically IN Salem...studios, xmtr.!) Let's not forget the COL for WESX is now that huge metropolis where I grew up, Nahant! :) > Well, because I was thinking that now Salem doesn't have its own station, > forgetting about WMWM....Oh, hi Raccoon! ?P=) > But, as Scott just pointed out, translator COLs are pretty much > meaningless??though IDing as the transmitter city is certainly more > relevant, particularly in this case. Yes, you can be up in Burlington VT and hear some FM translators for religious stations from Idaho or Cal. or something...I will say that the other night at 5 pm W279BQ, simulcasting WSMA, did have what was apparently a Christian music show for teens "His Kids" and the DJ said the first song was a request for a girl in Marshfield so I thought, well, there's one local show, and at least they're simulcasting something from the South Shore of Boston... From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jul 15 06:20:49 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0500 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder where the WSMA studio is... I found this website, it mentions WSMA briefly. . http://www.calvarychapelboston.com/ On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > As I like to point out on the air, WMWM--the best radio station in > Salem! (Also the only one! > Well, physically IN Salem...studios, xmtr.!) Let's not forget the COL > for WESX is now that huge metropolis where I grew up, Nahant! :) > > > Well, because I was thinking that now Salem doesn't have its own station, > > forgetting about WMWM....Oh, hi Raccoon! P=) > > But, as Scott just pointed out, translator COLs are pretty much > > meaningless??though IDing as the transmitter city is certainly more > > relevant, particularly in this case. > > Yes, you can be up in Burlington VT and hear some FM translators for > religious stations > from Idaho or Cal. or something...I will say that the other night at 5 > pm W279BQ, > simulcasting WSMA, did have what was apparently a Christian music show for > teens > "His Kids" and the DJ said the first song was a request for a girl in > Marshfield so I > thought, well, there's one local show, and at least they're > simulcasting something from > the South Shore of Boston... > > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jul 15 12:58:26 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:58:26 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501cb243e$f6d3f790$e47be6b0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:34 AM > To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On > 94.9? > I will say that the other night at 5 > pm W279BQ, > simulcasting WSMA, did have what was apparently a Christian music show > for teens > "His Kids" and the DJ said the first song was a request for a girl in > Marshfield so I > thought, well, there's one local show, and at least they're > simulcasting something from > the South Shore of Boston... Is Marshfield, MA the only Marshfield in the US? What I'm saying is one should not jump to a conclusion on ID'ing a station based on local knowledge only. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jul 15 13:09:37 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:09:37 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <002501cb243e$f6d3f790$e47be6b0$@com> References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> <002501cb243e$f6d3f790$e47be6b0$@com> Message-ID: Vermont, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin have Marshfields. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > > Behalf Of Bob Nelson > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:34 AM > > To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On > > 94.9? > > > I will say that the other night at 5 > > pm W279BQ, > > simulcasting WSMA, did have what was apparently a Christian music show > > for teens > > "His Kids" and the DJ said the first song was a request for a girl in > > Marshfield so I > > thought, well, there's one local show, and at least they're > > simulcasting something from > > the South Shore of Boston... > > Is Marshfield, MA the only Marshfield in the US? What I'm saying is one > should not jump to a conclusion on ID'ing a station based on local > knowledge > only. > > From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Jul 16 11:50:48 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:50:48 -0400 Subject: WSMA studios Message-ID: <4C407FD8.5070607@gmail.com> > I wonder where the WSMA studio is... > I found this website, it mentions WSMA briefly. . > http://www.calvarychapelboston.com/ > The studios are (or at least were) at 400 Franklin Street in Braintree, MA. (781) 848-0500? Back when WSMA was first coming on-line, CSN was trying to get a waiver of the main studio rule and several WZBC fans filed petitions to deny with the FCC about it, mostly out of spite. The petitions delayed things enough that CSN did end up having to build a small but fully-functioning local studio for WSMA...albeit a few weeks later than they were supposed to. But when I paid a visit, the studio was mostly finished...EAS and all. IIRC, it was in a generic offices part of a little strip mall building, up on the second floor and towards the back. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From dave@skywaves.net Sat Jul 17 23:52:12 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:52:12 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: References: <4C3DD755.8070204@Gmail.com> <002501cb243e$f6d3f790$e47be6b0$@com> Message-ID: ...as do Missouri, Maine, and Wisconsin. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob DeMattia" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:09 PM To: "Larry Weil" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? > > Vermont, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin have Marshfields. > > > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >> > Behalf Of Bob Nelson >> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:34 AM >> > To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild >> > Cc: Boston Radio Interest >> > Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On >> > 94.9? >> > >> I will say that the other night at 5 >> > pm W279BQ, >> > simulcasting WSMA, did have what was apparently a Christian music show >> > for teens >> > "His Kids" and the DJ said the first song was a request for a girl in >> > Marshfield so I >> > thought, well, there's one local show, and at least they're >> > simulcasting something from >> > the South Shore of Boston... >> >> Is Marshfield, MA the only Marshfield in the US? What I'm saying is one >> should not jump to a conclusion on ID'ing a station based on local >> knowledge >> only. >> >> > > From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jul 14 12:35:49 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:35:49 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <000f01cb235a$b5087410$1f195c30$@com><4C3DC133.1070105@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8CCF189C08F29A2-1390-104D4@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan.Strassberg >To: Scott Fybush ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:12 am >Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? >I guess nothing is too absurd for the FCC. Aren't translators supposed >to be the most local of local services? If so, in the FCC's Alice in >Wonderland world, what could make more sense than to require no local >content, no local ID, and no coverage of the CoL? And with so much now >invested in translators--mainly by the Religious Right, who have >enormous political clout in DC--the likelihood of this absurd >situation ever being corrected appears (only a bit optimistically) to >be zero. Apparently, even the "religious right" stations are beginning to have a hard time making a go of it. Scott mentioned in his latest NERW that WLMW 90.7 FM near Manchester, NH and WWNH-AM 1340 in Madbury, NH between Portsmouth and Dover have given up the ghost (at least for now; they're still listed as active on the FCC website). Even in Dallas, TX, a sectarian station had to give up a significant FM signal in that area, and move to an AM daytimer. They didn't have a prayer and pulled the plug this week. BTW, not ALL "religious" figures in the media are conservative. The "Reverend" Jim Wallis is the official preacher man of the Stephanie Miller show. From linc@reed-nickerson.com Wed Jul 14 14:57:45 2010 From: linc@reed-nickerson.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:57:45 -0700 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <7846644.1279112756232.JavaMail.root@n10> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <7846644.1279112756232.JavaMail.root@n10> Message-ID: <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> It's not Google maps that's off, it depends on which NAD (North American Datum) was used for the coordinates. NAD 27 or NAD 83. In some cases the coordinates were wrong to errors in local base maps, the USGS isn't perfect, or in others the applicant simply took a SWAG at the coordinates and got them wrong. When I first looked at KORC I found the tower to be over a 1/4 mile from where it was supposed to be. The original owner did some pretty sloppy work, and defining the location may have been part of it. I had to apply for a CP to correct the coordinates, fortunately I had recent impedance measurements to relicense something that already existed. There are cases of stations built years ago, in the wrong place for whatever reason, and the FCC found it only after the advent of GPS, and fined the station owner... even though the station hadn't moved and had been in place for 50 plus years... One station, in Eugene, OR I believe, was due to a base map error and the fine was rescinded after the consulting engineer was able show where the error had come from. Linc -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:57 AM To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Ive found googlemaps to be anywhere between 500 to 1000 feet off when using exact co-ordinates. I once maped K04HL in Ord, NE when I lived there and google maps putn it 500 feet off from where I knew it to be. Why would Salem "losing" WESX have anythijng to do with where the translator licenses itself? Paul Walker On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild < Kaimbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that > > said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or > > words to that effect) > > > > Drove around Beverly, also 128 from Beverly to Lynnfield (where > > I lose them). Maybe based on Highland Ave Salem and best heard > > in Bev., Salem, Danvers, Swampscott, Peabody, Lynn? > > In terms of COL, the license and CP both identify Gloucester as the > "principal community to be served" (which appears far fetched for either > case, though the original 'Farms location would have been fine). > They were granted a license on 15 September 2009, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1332585.pdf > > which, after adjusting the coordinates from NAD-27 to NAD-83 (why they > haven't just converted to the modern '83 datum--which GPS, Google Maps and > just about everyone else uses--is beyond logic), > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=33&slat=26.00&ns= N&dlon=70&mlon=53&slon=13.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > locates the transmitter/antenna in the middle of the Cummings Center > parking lot on Rt.62 (Elliott St.) in Beverly: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5572531&lon=-70.8863962&z=17&m=h > > No sign of anything there, now! > The subsequent construction permit was granted on 28 April 2010, > > http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1351441.pdf > > with the NAD-27->83 adjusted coordinates, > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/asrn-within-radius?dlat=42&mlat=30&slat=06.00&ns= N&dlon=70&mlon=55&slon=31.00&ew=W&nad=27 > > identifying the rooftop of a building just south of the Hawthorne Square > Mall on Rt.107 (Highland Ave, between Traders Way and Greenledge St) as the > transmitting site: > > http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=42.5017503&lon=-70.9247303&z=18&m=h > > So it would certainly seem reasonable to change the COL to > Salem (especially since they lost WESX!). > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia-Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 19 17:34:21 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:34:21 -0400 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? In-Reply-To: <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> References: <4C3DAFBD.8080300@Gmail.com> <7846644.1279112756232.JavaMail.root@n10> <019801cb2386$725bcdc0$57136940$@com> Message-ID: <19524.50397.638647.44703@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's not Google maps that's off, it depends on which NAD (North American > Datum) was used for the coordinates. NAD 27 or NAD 83. Actually, on-line mapping services generally use WGS84, the GPS datum, rather than NAD83. (However, WGS84 was constructed so as to make most coordinates that are defined in NAD83 identical in WGS84, so in practice you can ignore the difference, unless you're dealing with parts of the U.S. that aren't covered by NAD83. Which datum does the FCC require for stations in American Samoa?) > In some cases the coordinates were wrong to errors in local base maps, the > USGS isn't perfect, or in others the applicant simply took a SWAG at the > coordinates and got them wrong. In theory, the applicant was supposed to hire a surveyor to make sure that the tower was constructed at the coordinates specified on the application. -GAWollman From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Jul 20 19:02:05 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:02:05 +0000 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C462AED.5000602@Gmail.com> Back on Mon 12 Jul 2010, I originally wrote, K> The translator from Gloucester, W279BQ-103.7, was noted for K> the first time last night to which Mr. RaccoonRadio replied, R> They may be licensed to Salem--indeed at 5 pm I heard an ID that R> said "WSMA Scituate 90.5 FM, simulcast on 103.7 W279BQ Salem" (or R> words to that effect) I just checked at 5pm for the 'BQ ID and, yes, they did ID it as "Salem", not Gloucester (as is on their license). A few interesting links are on, Application List: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=152268 Correspondence Folder: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/corrp_list.pl?Facility_id=152268 K> Also, when I left Beverly Depot this morning, there seemed to be K> a Jazz station mixed in, both on 103.7 AND 90.5, **BUT** the K> 103.7 signal seemed to be independent of W279BQ (i.e., it didn't K> seem like 'BQ was passing both signals)! When I just checked, WICN was mixed in and??this time, anyway??it *was* coming from 'BQ's xmtr. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat Jul 24 14:37:54 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:37:54 +0000 Subject: [B R-I] Re: W279BQ-103.7 On-Air (Where?); New Pirate On 94.9? Message-ID: <4C4B3302.5080404@Gmail.com> Yours truly wrote back on Mon 12 July, > Also this morning, noted a fairly strong signal on 94.9 playing > EZ-listening type instrumental music, here in Beverly: I don't > believe it was W235AV out in Tatnuck. It appeared gone by noon > or 1-ish. As someone just pointed out on Radio-Info, they are back on right now, and apparently can be heard up in Essex (so obviously regional and not just a local, flea power neighborhood 1 watter, from here in downtown Beverly!). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jul 26 22:49:27 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:49:27 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking Message-ID: NESN is down 36 % and WEEI is down 16 %. NESN can absorb that kind of hit but I am not sure Entercom can http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article.printArticle&articleId=66312 From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jul 26 23:52:44 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:52:44 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19534.22540.445198.112209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > NESN is down 36 % and WEEI is down 16 %. As compared to what? -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jul 27 02:24:31 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:24:31 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <829F5129-EDB6-4D3F-AD4C-12FF17B985AC@charter.net> Couple of interesting points. WEEI had to bump 20 games from WEEI to WRKO due to the Celtics playoff run. I'm sure that had to hurt the bottom line some. Plus, most fans were following the Celtics and Bruins at least through early June. By the time those seasons were over, the Sox were already plagued with the injury bug and the team was fielding AAA-like lineups. It's hard to muster up much excitement with this year's team, especially when there were few player upgrades from last year. This year is a lost cause, but the team had better beef up the lineup in the offseason or these media declines will continue. The fan base won't accept small market baseball. Right now both WEEI and WRKO are not doing well. Considering the Sox rights fees, I can't see this working for much longer. Eventually Entercom will have to make some tough decisions with their cluster. -Dave On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > NESN is down 36 % and WEEI is down 16 %. > > NESN can absorb that kind of hit but I am not sure Entercom can > > http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article.printArticle&articleId=66312 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jul 27 06:49:31 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:49:31 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking References: <829F5129-EDB6-4D3F-AD4C-12FF17B985AC@charter.net> Message-ID: <71CFFB5A640449F18AEFC4F5236C3B24@SatU205S5044> With WBIX flipping to religious programming on Nov 1, a whole bunch of leased-time non-financial shows (nearly all, health-related) will need a home. A lot of those shows, but not all, are single-product infomercials from outfits like Purity Products (BTW, Purity has recently shown up on WRCA overnight). However, some--Frankie Boyer, for instance--are not; she resells the time to multiple advertisers. I expect the finance-related shows, but not the health-related stuff, to move to WBNW/WPLM (AM)/WESO, which sounds as if it has finally put together a credible full schedule of leased-time and network financial talk. Particularly in evening hours and all weekend long, however, WRKO could be a natural for WBIX's non-financial business. A waste of a great signal? Sure, but it's probably a good way for Entercom to bring in enough $$$ to keep the lights on. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking > > Right now both WEEI and WRKO are not doing well. Considering the > Sox rights fees, I can't see this working for much longer. > Eventually Entercom will have to make some tough decisions with > their cluster. > > -Dave From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 08:08:52 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:08:52 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <19534.22540.445198.112209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19534.22540.445198.112209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Garrett - compared to 2009 I agree with David that a mere 100,000 average listeners for a game on WEEI will not justify the rights contract. The chart in the linked story shows smaller markets with more listeners. The 2010 team started badly, the Celts and Bruins had playoff runs and the latter played havoc with TV games on NESN. We don't know how badly WBZ-FM has hurt WEEI's bottom line but it must be quite a hit. On 7/26/10, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> NESN is down 36 % and WEEI is down 16 %. > > As compared to what? > > -GAWollman > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 07:42:35 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:42:35 -0500 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <71CFFB5A640449F18AEFC4F5236C3B24@SatU205S5044> References: <829F5129-EDB6-4D3F-AD4C-12FF17B985AC@charter.net> <71CFFB5A640449F18AEFC4F5236C3B24@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Is WPLM still broadcasting WPNW? It may have been a rumour I heard and I don't even remember where I heard it months ago, but i thought possibly, the lease Barry had with WPLM was up sometime this year and wasn't going to be renewed. I could be very very wrong and just confused about something else I heard Paul On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > With WBIX flipping to religious programming on Nov 1, a whole bunch of > leased-time non-financial shows (nearly all, health-related) will need > a home. A lot of those shows, but not all, are single-product > infomercials from outfits like Purity Products (BTW, Purity has > recently shown up on WRCA overnight). However, some--Frankie Boyer, > for instance--are not; she resells the time to multiple advertisers. I > expect the finance-related shows, but not the health-related stuff, to > move to WBNW/WPLM (AM)/WESO, which sounds as if it has finally put > together a credible full schedule of leased-time and network financial > talk. Particularly in evening hours and all weekend long, however, > WRKO could be a natural for WBIX's non-financial business. A waste of > a great signal? Sure, but it's probably a good way for Entercom to > bring in enough $$$ to keep the lights on. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:24 AM > Subject: Re: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking > > >> Right now both WEEI and WRKO are not doing well. Considering the >> Sox rights fees, I can't see this working for much longer. >> Eventually Entercom will have to make some tough decisions with >> their cluster. >> >> -Dave >> > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 09:09:24 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: References: <19534.22540.445198.112209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <960654.12859.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It doesn't get any better for them now that Patriots training camp opens this week. You can blame part of this on the "just get in the playoffs" attitude, and more teams in the playoffs in all sports. The regular season doesn't seem to count. The Celtics face the same problem - no one really cares until the playoffs and by then CSN doesn't have the games after the 1st round. Advertising budgets are being cut and with all the local teams competitive they have to make decisions on how to split the pie. Some hold back or cut down regular season sponsorships and put more into playoff games. From friedbagels@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 11:30:18 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:30:18 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking Message-ID: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?" ;-) -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com WEOS 89.7FM General Manager (315) 781-3811 With WBIX flipping to religious programming on Nov 1, a whole bunch of leased-time non-financial shows (nearly all, health-related) will need a home. A lot of those shows, but not all, are single-product infomercials from outfits like Purity Products (BTW, Purity has recently shown up on WRCA overnight). (snip) WRKO could be a natural for WBIX's non-financial business. A waste of a great signal? Sure, but it's probably a good way for Entercom to bring in enough $$$ to keep the lights on. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Jul 27 11:39:40 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:39:40 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking Message-ID: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) --- would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of nostalgia for the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock stations. What do you think? -Doug Quoting Aaron Read : > "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? > Have you left no sense of decency?" ;-) > > -- -- > ----------------------------------------- > Aaron Read > friedbagels@gmail.com > WEOS 89.7FM General Manager > (315) 781-3811 > > With WBIX flipping to religious programming on Nov 1, a whole bunch of > leased-time non-financial shows (nearly all, health-related) will need > a home. A lot of those shows, but not all, are single-product > infomercials from outfits like Purity Products (BTW, Purity has > recently shown up on WRCA overnight). > (snip) > WRKO could be a natural for WBIX's non-financial business. A waste of > a great signal? Sure, but it's probably a good way for Entercom to > bring in enough $$$ to keep the lights on. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 27 12:00:18 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:00:18 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <19535.658.457898.884303@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I > liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) --- > would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of nostalgia for > the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock stations. > What do you think? I don't think you could possibly bill enough to pay the rent. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 12:35:51 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (billohno@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:35:51 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <19535.658.457898.884303@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <19535.658.457898.884303@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4C4F0AE7.10504@gmail.com> On 7/27/2010 12:00 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I don't think you could possibly bill enough to pay the rent. > -GAWollman > The only way that could work would be getting some 'names' behind the mic and not get thwarted by the urge not to bring on the news, traffic, wx, etc. in drive time. With solely music as a reason to listen, no rent check. With the whole package, something an entire generation is clueless about, and a sales force who actually 'listens' to the station and 'believes' in it, there's your one shot. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 12:17:10 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:17:10 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM accuses WEEI of padding ratings Message-ID: WEEI-AM wants to include WEEI-FM numbers in the Boston book. However I think 98.5 is correct since FM has different commercials. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1270428 From markwa1ion@aol.com Tue Jul 27 13:57:31 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:57:31 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking Message-ID: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> To me it almost makes more sense to test this oldies experiment on 1510, a station that would seem to need any "Hail Mary pass" that could be thrown. The dial position has the WMEX heritage behind it. 20 or so years back Little Walter did an oldies stint there. Even if its signal can be a bit dodgy at night here 4 miles beyond 128 and the Burlington Mall, I would listen, especially if they played the core period of my junior high and high school years (1961-1967), something that 103.3 has not done for some time now. After all, when I was a kid, I would listen to stations from NYC, Albany, Buffalo, and beyond - even with the occasional selective fade "crunch" and summer static crash - because the music and PERSONALITIES were sometimes different and better than what was being offered locally on WMEX, WBZ, et al. Yes, live personalities with a sense of humor and knowledge of music history and the LOCAL area audience have to be part of the plan. They should not look at you like a deer in the headlights if they hear old-time Boston terms such as MTA, Norumbega Park, Paragon Park, Pleasure Island, Scollay Square, etc. They should know about the great mid-'60s garage era and local bands like the Barbarians, the Lost, Teddy & the Pandas, Barry & the Remains, and the Ramrods. There are probably retired radio personalities who'd put a few hours a week in on this without expecting superstar wages. I enjoy what WCAP and WJIB are doing in their own ways with older music but neither gives the full "bells-and-whistles" loony-top-40 effect of Arnie Ginsberg or Eddy Mitchell at their '61-era best or the intimate / poetic listener involvements of a Dick Summer or Jefferson Kaye circa '65. Furthermore, 1510 (or 680 as suggested before) would deliver a beefier signal than either 740 or 980 over the region's most populated areas. But with the negative view of programmers towards anyone over 50, the whole idea is likely dead-on-arrival. WRKO must be getting some kind of numbers with Carr, Savage, etc. A possible play, if WEEI's format is deemed to have the potentially larger listener base, would be to flip 850 and 680 programming-wise as 680 has an arguably better signal at any distance more than 30 miles north or south of the city. (They both stink to the west of course but if Worcester on 830 acts as a fill in for 680, then you've got a modicum of coverage all along 495 and anywhere inside it.) In the above scenario, would WHDH have any future as an all-talkshow station when you have 96.9 and 1200 in the game? (Or 'RKO all sports with 98.5 to contend?) Are these guys going to wind up with dollar-a-holler preaching in Portuguese, Creole, or Spanish, complete with the obligatory pirate-station-like hum and overcompression? One thing I wouldn't mind (but it won't happen) is that WBZ-AM moves all the night talkshows over to somewhere like 850 and goes 24 hours news, weather, and traffic with a reasonable amount of sports and business coverage in the mix. There are times going to an airport or somewhere at "zero dark thirty" (wee hours of the morning) that I would like to have a radio news option beyond listening to WCBS NYC 880 through slop from thoroughly-useless WAMG 890. The long view on the Sox is that they will wind up somewhere on FM before long in the metro area. Not just rimshotters like 103.7 RI or 104.9 Gloucester which cannot be heard at Fenway but from someone with a stick on the Pru, i.e. within close enough range to come in on dental fillings. Mark Connelly Billerica (Pinehurst), MA << Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking On 7/27/2010 12:00 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I don't think you could possibly bill enough to pay the rent. > -GAWollman > The only way that could work would be getting some 'names' behind the mic and not get thwarted by the urge not to bring on the news, traffic, wx, etc. in drive time. With solely music as a reason to listen, no rent check. With the whole package, something an entire generation is clueless about, and a sales force who actually 'listens' to the station and 'believes' in it, there's your one shot. Bill O'Neill >> From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 27 15:15:30 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:15:30 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4C4F3052.70402@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2010 11:39 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I > liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) > --- would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of nostalgia > for the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock > stations. What do you think? -Doug > The only people who have a lot of nostalgia for those particular "good old days" are those of us who are old enough to remember them and were in the Boston area at the time. And we're not the demographic most stations and advertisers are going for. Even if we were, would we be enough to sustain a station? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jul 27 16:16:46 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:16:46 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19535.16046.603648.79353@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < To me it almost makes more sense to test this oldies experiment on > 1510, a station that would seem to need any "Hail Mary pass" that could > be thrown. The dial position has the WMEX heritage behind it. 20 or > so years back Little Walter did an oldies stint there. [...] > Yes, live personalities with a sense of humor and knowledge of music > history and the LOCAL area audience have to be part of the plan. Not a chance. What you're talking about would be *incredibly* expensive. As I said before, it wouldn't pay the rent -- a format that might earn maybe a 1 share in the 55+ demo is not even going to make enough money to keep the transmitter running, never mind paying talent. (And the relevant talent are all industry veterans who would know that it was a sucker's bet and stay away.) -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jul 27 16:20:04 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:20:04 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <4C4F3052.70402@attorneyross.com> References: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4C4F3052.70402@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I seem to remember at least one experiment to bring back WMEX on the feeble 1150 signal. While only tangentially related, I think WKLB-FM, when it was still on 105.7, tried a simulcast of country on 1430. Neither of those attempts at music on AM seem to have lasted very long. I have faint recollections of WRKO and WMEX, but FM was bigger during my main music listening years : WVBF and WROR were the top 40's then. After getting used to the hi-fidelity of FM, it's difficult to go back to bandwidth-limited static prone AM for listening to music. It's still fun to listen to distant AMers at night, but as a regular listening pattern I must admit I used AM for talk or news. I imagine the general public, especially the 25-40 demo don't care much about AM. So unless they are going to follow a listener support mode, I don't see oldies making a big comeback on AM. -Bob On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:15 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > ?On 7/27/2010 11:39 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > >> I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I >> liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) --- >> would work in Boston on WRKO? ?People here have a lot of nostalgia for the >> "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock stations. ?What do you >> think? ? -Doug >> > > The only people who have a lot of nostalgia for those particular "good old > days" are those of us who are old enough to remember them and were in the > Boston area at the time. ?And we're not the demographic most stations and > advertisers are going for. ?Even if we were, would we be enough to sustain a > station? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 ? ? ? Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 ? ? ? ? ?http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jul 27 16:25:51 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:25:51 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: References: <20100727113940.dyxxickcuksosw8o@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4C4F3052.70402@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4C4F40CF.3090808@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2010 4:20 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > I seem to remember at least one experiment to bring back WMEX on the > feeble 1150 signal. > While only tangentially related, I think WKLB-FM, when it was still on > 105.7, tried a simulcast > of country on 1430. Neither of those attempts at music on AM seem to > have lasted very long. > WMEX 1150 lasted five years. It was in the late 1980s, when there was still music and advertisers for music on AM. What killed it was when WODS came along on FM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Tue Jul 27 16:50:08 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:50:08 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <19535.16046.603648.79353@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> <19535.16046.603648.79353@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8CCFBE46EFCECDA-2464-20DE@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> I think the station would have to pick up some listeners on either side of the target generation for the idea to "fly" on a higher-power (hence more expensive to run) station. When 1510 was WMRE (The Memory Station), 1430 was Music-of-Your-Life, and 1400 Lowell also featured the pre-rock era, I gave those stations some of my listening even though the WW-2 era of Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, the Dorseys, Bing Crosby, etc. was well before "my time". Despite pre-dating me, the high standards of that era's musicianship and often intellectually-clever lyrics still had value on their own merits as art, rather than merely being a "nostalgia wallow" for those in a specific age group. Subjects such as war, love, work, travel, and money (and lack thereof) are largely timeless and songs can speak across generations including to young ones discovering the "ancient" tunes of dad and grand-dad for the first time. Bob Bittner can probably offer accounts of e-mails and letters from listeners much younger than most of what he's playing. Entertainers such as Tony Bennett have found unexpected popularity on college campuses. Swing dancing has periodic resurgences despite a vanishingly small amount of "original swingers" still being on the upper side of the lawn. The broadcast product has to be a good one, however, or even listeners of the ideal age group will soon lose interest. If it's not going to sound like satellite-format-in-a-box, some "oh wow!" non-super-hits have to be thrown in from time to time, knowledge of metro Boston (then and now) should be more than what can be gleaned in 10 minutes of web surfing, and DJ pacing and delivery should be on par with the best '60s jocks - B. Marlowe, A. Ginsberg, B. Bradley, D. Summer, etc. If done right - meaning with a sense of fun coupled with knowledge and slick sophistication - rock oldies, big-band / standards, or even something totally "niche" (like polka or klezmer or Irish) can reach out to a wider demographic than some professional programmers may have envisioned. Will kids give up hip-hop for oldies or standards? Certainly not "en masse" but not too long ago I was in a card shop that primarily had girls under 30 working there ... and WJIB was the background music. Didn't expect that one at all and it was nice hearing the original Al Hibbler "Unchained Melody" as I went about my shopping. Reminded me of being about 5 or 6 and hearing it for the first time at a similar store in Belmont Center when the song was high on the charts. Nostalgia wallow, yes, but a song good enough to have been redone by countless others and used in more than one movie too. One thing that throws a wet rag over any music format making it are the increases in music licensing fees, even for small stations and webcasters, something that WJIB has been fighting. For music, most of us are going to have to rely on a handful of low-power stations when we can get them and our own MP3, CD, tape, and record collections the rest of the time. What an iPod won't necessarily replace for us is the personality and local-feel radio we used to enjoy. It has largely departed even the most successful music format FM stations unfortunately and that facet of radio (the entertainment beyond the tunes) doesn't seem to be coming back too soon. To Garrett's comment, I'm surprised that what is on 1510 now is making enough to keep it on the air. But I'd imagine that the "talent" doesn't get paid much compared to inflation-adjusted WMEX of the '60s. Mark Connelly Billerica, MA + South Yarmouth, MA << On 7/27/2010 11:39 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I > liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) > --- would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of nostalgia > for the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock > stations. What do you think? -Doug > The only people who have a lot of nostalgia for those particular "good old days" are those of us who are old enough to remember them and were in the Boston area at the time. And we're not the demographic most stations and advertisers are going for. Even if we were, would we be enough to sustain a station? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: markwa1ion@aol.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16 pm Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking < To me it almost makes more sense to test this oldies experiment on > 1510, a station that would seem to need any "Hail Mary pass" that could > be thrown. The dial position has the WMEX heritage behind it. 20 or > so years back Little Walter did an oldies stint there. [...] > Yes, live personalities with a sense of humor and knowledge of music > history and the LOCAL area audience have to be part of the plan. Not a chance. What you're talking about would be *incredibly* expensive. As I said before, it wouldn't pay the rent -- a format that might earn maybe a 1 share in the 55+ demo is not even going to make enough money to keep the transmitter running, never mind paying talent. (And the relevant talent are all industry veterans who would know that it was a sucker's bet and stay away.) -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jul 27 16:54:52 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:54:52 -0500 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <8CCFBE46EFCECDA-2464-20DE@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> <19535.16046.603648.79353@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8CCFBE46EFCECDA-2464-20DE@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The "talent" on 1510 now pays for the time. paul On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, wrote: > I think the station would have to pick up some listeners on either side of > the target generation for the idea to "fly" on a higher-power (hence more > expensive to run) station. > > When 1510 was WMRE (The Memory Station), 1430 was Music-of-Your-Life, and > 1400 Lowell also featured the pre-rock era, I gave those stations some of my > listening even though the WW-2 era of Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, the > Dorseys, Bing Crosby, etc. was well before "my time". Despite pre-dating > me, the high standards of that era's musicianship and often > intellectually-clever lyrics still had value on their own merits as art, > rather than merely being a "nostalgia wallow" for those in a specific age > group. Subjects such as war, love, work, travel, and money (and lack > thereof) are largely timeless and songs can speak across generations > including to young ones discovering the "ancient" tunes of dad and grand-dad > for the first time. > > Bob Bittner can probably offer accounts of e-mails and letters from > listeners much younger than most of what he's playing. Entertainers such as > Tony Bennett have found unexpected popularity on college campuses. Swing > dancing has periodic resurgences despite a vanishingly small amount of > "original swingers" still being on the upper side of the lawn. > > The broadcast product has to be a good one, however, or even listeners of > the ideal age group will soon lose interest. If it's not going to sound > like satellite-format-in-a-box, some "oh wow!" non-super-hits have to be > thrown in from time to time, knowledge of metro Boston (then and now) should > be more than what can be gleaned in 10 minutes of web surfing, and DJ pacing > and delivery should be on par with the best '60s jocks - B. Marlowe, A. > Ginsberg, B. Bradley, D. Summer, etc. > > If done right - meaning with a sense of fun coupled with knowledge and > slick sophistication - rock oldies, big-band / standards, or even something > totally "niche" (like polka or klezmer or Irish) can reach out to a wider > demographic than some professional programmers may have envisioned. Will > kids give up hip-hop for oldies or standards? Certainly not "en masse" but > not too long ago I was in a card shop that primarily had girls under 30 > working there ... and WJIB was the background music. Didn't expect that one > at all and it was nice hearing the original Al Hibbler "Unchained Melody" as > I went about my shopping. Reminded me of being about 5 or 6 and hearing it > for the first time at a similar store in Belmont Center when the song was > high on the charts. Nostalgia wallow, yes, but a song good enough to have > been redone by countless others and used in more than one movie too. > > One thing that throws a wet rag over any music format making it are the > increases in music licensing fees, even for small stations and webcasters, > something that WJIB has been fighting. > > For music, most of us are going to have to rely on a handful of low-power > stations when we can get them and our own MP3, CD, tape, and record > collections the rest of the time. > > What an iPod won't necessarily replace for us is the personality and > local-feel radio we used to enjoy. It has largely departed even the most > successful music format FM stations unfortunately and that facet of radio > (the entertainment beyond the tunes) doesn't seem to be coming back too > soon. > > To Garrett's comment, I'm surprised that what is on 1510 now is making > enough to keep it on the air. But I'd imagine that the "talent" doesn't get > paid much compared to inflation-adjusted WMEX of the '60s. > > Mark Connelly > Billerica, MA + South Yarmouth, MA > > << > On 7/27/2010 11:39 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > > I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which >> > I > >> liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) >> --- would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of >> > nostalgia > >> for the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock >> stations. What do you think? -Doug >> >> > The only people who have a lot of nostalgia for those particular "good > old days" are those of us who are old enough to remember them and were > in the Boston area at the time. And we're not the demographic most > stations and advertisers are going for. Even if we were, would we be > enough to sustain a station? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Garrett Wollman > To: markwa1ion@aol.com > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16 pm > Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking > > > < > To me it almost makes more sense to test this oldies experiment on >> 1510, a station that would seem to need any "Hail Mary pass" that >> > could > >> be thrown. The dial position has the WMEX heritage behind it. 20 or >> so years back Little Walter did an oldies stint there. [...] >> Yes, live personalities with a sense of humor and knowledge of music >> history and the LOCAL area audience have to be part of the plan. >> > > Not a chance. What you're talking about would be *incredibly* > expensive. As I said before, it wouldn't pay the rent -- a format > that might earn maybe a 1 share in the 55+ demo is not even going to > make enough money to keep the transmitter running, never mind paying > talent. (And the relevant talent are all industry veterans who would > know that it was a sucker's bet and stay away.) > > -GAWollman > > > From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jul 27 17:48:33 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:48:33 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <8CCFBE46EFCECDA-2464-20DE@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFBCC51BFEA27-1704-107B@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> <19535.16046.603648.79353@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8CCFBE46EFCECDA-2464-20DE@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <109c01cb2dd5$75bc74c0$61355e40$@com> I did a very unusual show overnights on WCAP for 5 years....I called it "Music & Memories Overnight". It would start at midnite each night with Kate Smith's 1945 rendition of "God Bless America"...then for the next 5 or 6 hours (depending on the day) we would play music of the 40's, 50's, 60's, and even some 70's. It was a music library with over 5,000 active titles in rotation. It was voice-tracked...but a lot of people thought that it was live (it was at times since it came from my home studio via an 8k telco line). I used to get at least a half dozen e-mails or snail mail letters a week from people telling me how much they enjoyed it...and the age span surprised me (18 - 80). Lots of folks who worked overnight shifts seemed to find the show and it became a regular listen for them. I also found that the geographic area was wide....all the way from Lowell to Arlington to Cape Cod (we were on night pattern). I contend that I had the largest rotation on the radio in America at the time. I have always felt that this format would do well on a Boston area FM signal....but no one that has one has agreed with me. When the new owners bought WCAP they went with the "Beatles and Before" format which has gotten some good responses but I myself enjoyed the width and breadth of Music & Memories. Of course the ratings people and the consultants all felt that anyone over 50 years old was of no interest to stations today - BUT - there is an interesting thread on the New York Radio Message Board that says that the Nielsen folks are now changing their mind and telling programmers that the 50+ market is becoming very viable. After all, haven't all the teens and twenty-somethings gone all mp3 players? Gary Francis -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:50 PM To: wollman@bimajority.org Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking I think the station would have to pick up some listeners on either side of the target generation for the idea to "fly" on a higher-power (hence more expensive to run) station. When 1510 was WMRE (The Memory Station), 1430 was Music-of-Your-Life, and 1400 Lowell also featured the pre-rock era, I gave those stations some of my listening even though the WW-2 era of Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, the Dorseys, Bing Crosby, etc. was well before "my time". Despite pre-dating me, the high standards of that era's musicianship and often intellectually-clever lyrics still had value on their own merits as art, rather than merely being a "nostalgia wallow" for those in a specific age group. Subjects such as war, love, work, travel, and money (and lack thereof) are largely timeless and songs can speak across generations including to young ones discovering the "ancient" tunes of dad and grand-dad for the first time. Bob Bittner can probably offer accounts of e-mails and letters from listeners much younger than most of what he's playing. Entertainers such as Tony Bennett have found unexpected popularity on college campuses. Swing dancing has periodic resurgences despite a vanishingly small amount of "original swingers" still being on the upper side of the lawn. The broadcast product has to be a good one, however, or even listeners of the ideal age group will soon lose interest. If it's not going to sound like satellite-format-in-a-box, some "oh wow!" non-super-hits have to be thrown in from time to time, knowledge of metro Boston (then and now) should be more than what can be gleaned in 10 minutes of web surfing, and DJ pacing and delivery should be on par with the best '60s jocks - B. Marlowe, A. Ginsberg, B. Bradley, D. Summer, etc. If done right - meaning with a sense of fun coupled with knowledge and slick sophistication - rock oldies, big-band / standards, or even something totally "niche" (like polka or klezmer or Irish) can reach out to a wider demographic than some professional programmers may have envisioned. Will kids give up hip-hop for oldies or standards? Certainly not "en masse" but not too long ago I was in a card shop that primarily had girls under 30 working there ... and WJIB was the background music. Didn't expect that one at all and it was nice hearing the original Al Hibbler "Unchained Melody" as I went about my shopping. Reminded me of being about 5 or 6 and hearing it for the first time at a similar store in Belmont Center when the song was high on the charts. Nostalgia wallow, yes, but a song good enough to have been redone by countless others and used in more than one movie too. One thing that throws a wet rag over any music format making it are the increases in music licensing fees, even for small stations and webcasters, something that WJIB has been fighting. For music, most of us are going to have to rely on a handful of low-power stations when we can get them and our own MP3, CD, tape, and record collections the rest of the time. What an iPod won't necessarily replace for us is the personality and local-feel radio we used to enjoy. It has largely departed even the most successful music format FM stations unfortunately and that facet of radio (the entertainment beyond the tunes) doesn't seem to be coming back too soon. To Garrett's comment, I'm surprised that what is on 1510 now is making enough to keep it on the air. But I'd imagine that the "talent" doesn't get paid much compared to inflation-adjusted WMEX of the '60s. Mark Connelly Billerica, MA + South Yarmouth, MA << On 7/27/2010 11:39 AM, revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: > I wonder if Entercom's failed experiment with WWKB in Buffalo, which I > liked --- an oldies format with a late '60s sound (jingles and all) > --- would work in Boston on WRKO? People here have a lot of nostalgia > for the "good old days" of WRKO, WMEX and WBZ as Top 40 rock > stations. What do you think? -Doug > The only people who have a lot of nostalgia for those particular "good old days" are those of us who are old enough to remember them and were in the Boston area at the time. And we're not the demographic most stations and advertisers are going for. Even if we were, would we be enough to sustain a station? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com >> -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Wollman To: markwa1ion@aol.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16 pm Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking < To me it almost makes more sense to test this oldies experiment on > 1510, a station that would seem to need any "Hail Mary pass" that could > be thrown. The dial position has the WMEX heritage behind it. 20 or > so years back Little Walter did an oldies stint there. [...] > Yes, live personalities with a sense of humor and knowledge of music > history and the LOCAL area audience have to be part of the plan. Not a chance. What you're talking about would be *incredibly* expensive. As I said before, it wouldn't pay the rent -- a format that might earn maybe a 1 share in the 55+ demo is not even going to make enough money to keep the transmitter running, never mind paying talent. (And the relevant talent are all industry veterans who would know that it was a sucker's bet and stay away.) -GAWollman From heritageradio@msn.com Tue Jul 27 18:38:01 2010 From: heritageradio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:38:01 -0400 Subject: Speaking Of Oldies.... Message-ID: I've been doing "oldies" continuously since 1983 when Pat Whitley offered me a daily drivetime show on 1060 WTTP. We played old-time radio from the 1930's, 40's and 50's. and included a fair amount of music from the era. In 1989 WTTP disappeared and we went to a satellite network called Yesterday USA" for 15 years still doing the same OTR format. Since then we have done Heritage Radio Theatre briefly on Peter Kenney's "Boston Pete's network" and for several years and currently on The Olde Tyme Radio Network in streaming audio folks can hear on demand. We have a large audience around the world now. and get lots of requests from old and young to play particular OTR shows like Jack Benny, Lux Theatre, The Shadow, etc... The Network features four "DJ's" presenting nice quality replays of OTR. We all think there is a place for old-time radio and music on the Web, and have continued to make the revivals of nostalgic stuff available 7 days a week whenever you want it at" New shows start each Sunday and remain available for one week around the clock. www.VinatgeRadioPlace.com/broadcast Similar formats have been tried an AM, FM and independent educational stations with varying results. The best forum for old radio/music/sports/drama/comedy, etc... seems to be on the free standing streaming audio web stations like ours. It is amazing how much nostalgia there actually is available. The bigger operations like ours are expensive to run, and are mostly subsidized by operator advertising. I truly don't feel that vintage broadcasting formats will return successfully to AM radio, although there are still a number of stations around the country programming OTR with a record of good listenership for years. There is so much "stuff" available on the Web, it seems to me that just about anyone's taste for radio the way it was can be easily satisfied. Tom Heathwood Heritage Radio Theatre From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jul 28 00:32:16 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:32:16 -0400 Subject: Red Sox TV and Radio ratings tanking In-Reply-To: <829F5129-EDB6-4D3F-AD4C-12FF17B985AC@charter.net> References: <829F5129-EDB6-4D3F-AD4C-12FF17B985AC@charter.net> Message-ID: <4C4FB2D0.7090508@attorneyross.com> On 7/27/2010 2:24 AM, Dave Tomm wrote: > It's hard to muster up much excitement with this year's team, > especially when there were few player upgrades from last year. This > year is a lost cause, but the team had better beef up the lineup in > the offseason or these media declines will continue. The fan base > won't accept small market baseball. > Then perhaps the price to the station for broadcasting the games will go down in the next contract. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:02:48 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:02:48 -0400 Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick Message-ID: This totally blew me away today (Wednesday). I have a Google Alert set for me, Ted Larsen. The only Ted Larsen that it's picked up is the new Patriots player of the same name. He's from North Carolina and that's where I now live. Ironic. My midnight handoff to Larry begins at exactly 3:00 into the podcast. I think the talk host at the start of the audio is Paul Benzaquin. PRICELESS. larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Enjoy, Ted From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:02:48 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:02:48 -0400 Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick Message-ID: This totally blew me away today (Wednesday). I have a Google Alert set for me, Ted Larsen. The only Ted Larsen that it's picked up is the new Patriots player of the same name. He's from North Carolina and that's where I now live. Ironic. My midnight handoff to Larry begins at exactly 3:00 into the podcast. I think the talk host at the start of the audio is Paul Benzaquin. PRICELESS. larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Enjoy, Ted From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 18:17:10 2010 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:17:10 -0400 Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick References: Message-ID: Ted, the link didn't come thru..... D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:02 PM Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick This totally blew me away today (Wednesday). I have a Google Alert set for me, Ted Larsen. The only Ted Larsen that it's picked up is the new Patriots player of the same name. He's from North Carolina and that's where I now live. Ironic. My midnight handoff to Larry begins at exactly 3:00 into the podcast. I think the talk host at the start of the audio is Paul Benzaquin. PRICELESS. larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Enjoy, Ted From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:02:48 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:02:48 -0400 Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick Message-ID: This totally blew me away today (Wednesday). I have a Google Alert set for me, Ted Larsen. The only Ted Larsen that it's picked up is the new Patriots player of the same name. He's from North Carolina and that's where I now live. Ironic. My midnight handoff to Larry begins at exactly 3:00 into the podcast. I think the talk host at the start of the audio is Paul Benzaquin. PRICELESS. larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Enjoy, Ted From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:41:37 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:41:37 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Message-ID: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:41:37 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:41:37 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Message-ID: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 18:41:37 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:41:37 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Message-ID: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 28 19:15:43 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:15:43 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ Its one of these Ted On 7/28/10, Ted Larsen wrote: > I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and > they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. > Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Larsen > To: Ted Larsen > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is > the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at > 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. > Priceless! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Google Alerts > To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM > Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen > > > PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts > Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick > sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about > Johnny ... > larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to > exclude.. Learn more. > > Remove this alert. > Create another alert. > Manage your alerts. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 28 19:15:43 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:15:43 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ Its one of these Ted On 7/28/10, Ted Larsen wrote: > I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and > they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. > Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Larsen > To: Ted Larsen > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is > the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at > 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. > Priceless! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Google Alerts > To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM > Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen > > > PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts > Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick > sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about > Johnny ... > larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to > exclude.. Learn more. > > Remove this alert. > Create another alert. > Manage your alerts. > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Jul 28 19:15:43 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:15:43 -0400 Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ Its one of these Ted On 7/28/10, Ted Larsen wrote: > I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and > they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. > Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Larsen > To: Ted Larsen > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is > the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at > 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. > Priceless! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Google Alerts > To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM > Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > > > Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen > > > PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts > Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick > sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about > Johnny ... > larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to > exclude.. Learn more. > > Remove this alert. > Create another alert. > Manage your alerts. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 28 20:39:33 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:39:33 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> Isn't the /.../ the reason the link doesn't work? That's an ellipsis that indicates that a portion of the URL has been omitted. If somebody can tell us what the ellipsis replaced, we can substitute it for the ellipsis and, if the ellipsis was the only problem, the link should then work. If not, we're out of luck and we can only say to any poster who reads this that you should try your links before you post them and if links are beyond your understanding, don't bother trying to post them! All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of mind. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 28 20:39:33 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:39:33 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> Isn't the /.../ the reason the link doesn't work? That's an ellipsis that indicates that a portion of the URL has been omitted. If somebody can tell us what the ellipsis replaced, we can substitute it for the ellipsis and, if the ellipsis was the only problem, the link should then work. If not, we're out of luck and we can only say to any poster who reads this that you should try your links before you post them and if links are beyond your understanding, don't bother trying to post them! All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of mind. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jul 28 20:39:33 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:39:33 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> Message-ID: <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> Isn't the /.../ the reason the link doesn't work? That's an ellipsis that indicates that a portion of the URL has been omitted. If somebody can tell us what the ellipsis replaced, we can substitute it for the ellipsis and, if the ellipsis was the only problem, the link should then work. If not, we're out of luck and we can only say to any poster who reads this that you should try your links before you post them and if links are beyond your understanding, don't bother trying to post them! All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of mind. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen I've had a few emails saying the link won't open as sent. I tried it and they are right. It's an interesting and totally surprising story to me. Maybe you can do something with the Google Alert original link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larsen To: Ted Larsen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Talk about a total surprise. I have a Google Alert for Ted Larsen. This is the first time it's not the new Pats. player from North Carolina. I begin at 3:00...the end of the midnight news and then talk with Larry Glick. Priceless! ----- Original Message ----- From: Google Alerts To: tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen Web 1 new result for Ted Larsen PodOmatic | Best Free Podcasts Then ending of the midnight WBZ news with Ted Larsen. Larry Glick sign-on theme. In Larry's opening monolog he speaks with Ted Larsen about Johnny ... larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tip: Use a minus sign (-) in front of terms in your query that you want to exclude.. Learn more. Remove this alert. Create another alert. Manage your alerts. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 21:25:13 2010 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <650879.85414.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> http://bit.ly/cjVX4w That should work for everyone. Click on play in the bottom left. From scott@fybush.com Wed Jul 28 22:34:15 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:34:15 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4C50E8A7.9080209@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of mind. Speaking of which - the cc: list on the original message in this thread has three different versions of the b-r-i mailing list address, meaning that each time someone hits "reply all" it shows up three times in each list member's in-box. That puts this list member, anyway, in an even more unfriendly frame of mind than some innocent confusion over a truncated URL. As for the URL: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ seems to bring up a whole bunch of shows, including the one Ted was talking about. s From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Thu Jul 29 07:13:58 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:13:58 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> <4C50E8A7.9080209@fybush.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the heads-up, Scott. I was so stunned to have the Google Alert appear (which has never found the real me before) and hear a 33 year old broadcast I actually remember, I over reacted. I wasn't aware of the ins and outs of the mailing list addresses. truly sorry I messed up Apologies to all. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Ted Larsen" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of mind. > > Speaking of which - the cc: list on the original message in this thread > has three different versions of the b-r-i mailing list address, meaning > that each time someone hits "reply all" it shows up three times in each > list member's in-box. That puts this list member, anyway, in an even more > unfriendly frame of mind than some innocent confusion over a truncated > URL. > > As for the URL: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ seems to bring up a whole > bunch of shows, including the one Ted was talking about. > > s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 29 07:32:00 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:32:00 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> <4C50E8A7.9080209@fybush.com> Message-ID: <87CE636C67154FD988B82FEAE42F992B@SatU205S5044> Sorry. I should have realized that someone who was confounded by copying a URL from a browser's address field into an e-mail message that he was composing also could have included three different versions of a mailing-list's address in the message's To: field. Normally, when I hit "Reply All," the only time I examine the To: field of my reply is after I get a bounce notice informing me that my reply could not be delivered to one or more of the intended recipients. BTW, I was able to copy the URL of the clip with no problems at all: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Using IE 8, all I had to do was hover the cursor over the address field, right click, and select "copy" on the context menu that appeared. But of greater intertest than the clip or the cluelessness of list member who tried to post the link is an artifact in the clip. I gather that the clip was recorded off the air on a not-too-selective AM receiver in a location where WBZ's signal was not always especially strong. At several points in the clip, WBZ almost disappeared as it was overridden by a station broadcasting country music. Would that have been WHN? WHN was second adjacent to WBZ, but I recall that, back in the late 70s/early 80s, WHN's skywave up here was WAY stronger than that of the current AM 1050 in New York, WEPN. I have long wondered whether, in that era, under George Storer's ownership, WHN was expeimenting with very high levels of modulation on positive peaks. I think it wasn't until shortly after 1977 that the FCC restricted modulation on positive peaks to 125% of the level of the unmodulated carrier. IIRC, back in those days, WHN's night signal here was as strong as that of any of the strong local stations. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Ted Larsen" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Google Alert - Ted Larsen > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> All you do is put a lot of list members in an unfriendly frame of >> mind. > > Speaking of which - the cc: list on the original message in this > thread has three different versions of the b-r-i mailing list > address, meaning that each time someone hits "reply all" it shows up > three times in each list member's in-box. That puts this list > member, anyway, in an even more unfriendly frame of mind than some > innocent confusion over a truncated URL. > > As for the URL: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/ seems to bring up a > whole bunch of shows, including the one Ted was talking about. > > s From peterwmurray@gmail.com Thu Jul 29 09:16:10 2010 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:16:10 -0400 Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The correct link is: http://larryglick.podomatic.com/entry/2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 Somehow the "entry" was turned into an ellipsis... -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Don wrote: > Ted, the link didn't come thru..... > > > D > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" > To: ; > ; > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:02 PM > Subject: Ted Larsen (ME) Chats With Larry Glick > > > > This totally blew me away today (Wednesday). I have a Google Alert set for > me, Ted Larsen. The only Ted Larsen that it's picked up is the new Patriots > player of the same name. He's from North Carolina and that's where I now > live. Ironic. > > My midnight handoff to Larry begins at exactly 3:00 into the podcast. I > think the talk host at the start of the audio is ?Paul Benzaquin. PRICELESS. > > larryglick.podomatic.com/.../2010-07-18T17_17_26-07_00 > > Enjoy, > Ted > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jul 29 10:00:12 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:00:12 -0400 Subject: ESPN Deportes coming to WRCA? Message-ID: <4C51896C.6030203@fybush.com> Beasley, which owns WRCA, just struck a deal with ESPN to put the ESPN Deportes Spanish-language sports programming on Beasley's WWDB 860 in Philadelphia. (That's the 10 kW daytimer long known as WTEL.) An item about the Philly format change in the Inquirer included this one line: "'DB owner Beasley Broadcast also added ESPN Deportes on stations in Atlanta and Boston" I can't hear WRCA from here ("here" this week being Indiana) - but it might be worth keeping an ear on them to see if something changes soon. s From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jul 29 11:39:21 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:39:21 -0400 Subject: Google Alert - Ted Larsen In-Reply-To: <87CE636C67154FD988B82FEAE42F992B@SatU205S5044> References: <7119D5543A884CDEBB72862D5FB171B5@YOURbcbbe822ed> <29AB3786ED78480894EA5658AF8733FB@SatU205S5044> <4C50E8A7.9080209@fybush.com> <87CE636C67154FD988B82FEAE42F992B@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19537.41129.326843.416183@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But of greater intertest than the clip or the cluelessness of list > member who tried to post the link No personal attacks, please. This is not a message board. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 29 11:56:35 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:56:35 -0400 Subject: ESPN Deportes coming to WRCA? References: <4C51896C.6030203@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6D7D04F7A04A4BA5ACC245EF0D6588AC@SatU205S5044> Well, WRCA has a few hours of what I believe to be unsold time overnight. The hours seem to vary from night to night, and I mean night to night--not week to week. Maybe I am not clever enough, but I have been completely unable to detect a pattern. My guess is that the amount of time available might average five hours a night. I suppose that some of the paid local programming might be bumped for ESPN programming that pays more if WRCA GM Stu Fink or someone at Beasley corporate has negotiated prices higher than those that Fink has been able to get from Purity Products or the local independent producers (mostly Spanish and Haitian, but now also African-American pastor Bruce Wall whose 5:00AM to 6:00AM program either has just started or is scheduled to start Monday). But if this placement is the result of a corporate-level deal and results in reduced revenue at WRCA (which Beasley might have added to the deal to sweeten it nationwide), Fink will be really pissed because his personal compensation is based on WRCA's revenue. Anyhow, I wonder whether this move by Beasley might give Bob Bittner an opening to pick up Danny Stiles' recorded programs from WNYC. I think some of the Stiles shows that have been airing on WRCA overnights might have been recorded more than 20 years ago, but they are timeless. Stiles is in his late eighties but appears to still be going strong. It would be great to hear this material on WJIB, where it would nicely complement Bob's format. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: ESPN Deportes coming to WRCA? > Beasley, which owns WRCA, just struck a deal with ESPN to put the > ESPN Deportes Spanish-language sports programming on Beasley's WWDB > 860 in Philadelphia. (That's the 10 kW daytimer long known as WTEL.) > > An item about the Philly format change in the Inquirer included this > one line: "'DB owner Beasley Broadcast also added ESPN Deportes on > stations in Atlanta and Boston" > > I can't hear WRCA from here ("here" this week being Indiana) - but > it might be worth keeping an ear on them to see if something changes > soon. > > s From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 29 19:57:27 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:57:27 -0400 Subject: In Chicago it's 1975 again Message-ID: CBS in a desperate move to jumpstart WBBM-TV's newscasts have decided to bring back Bill Kurtis and Walter Jacobson to co-anchor the 6 PM news as of September 1. In the 70's into the early 80's WBBM was considered to be the best local newscast in the US. WBBM has been a non-factor for over a decade as it has never recovered from their ill fated attempt. To do a WSVN-WHDH format in Chicago as yellow journalism doesn't fly in the midwest. In fact Chicago is one place Rupert Murdoch failed with a racy tabloid. http://cbs2chicago.com/studio/cbs.anchor.teams.2.1831466.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jul 29 21:04:31 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:04:31 -0400 Subject: In Chicago it's 1975 again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C52251F.8000406@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > CBS in a desperate move to jumpstart WBBM-TV's newscasts have decided > to bring back Bill Kurtis and Walter Jacobson to co-anchor the 6 PM > news as of September 1 The same Bill Kurtis that narrates Cold Case Files? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jul 29 21:06:44 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:06:44 -0400 Subject: Radio-Info discussion board not accepting new postings Message-ID: As of 9:00PM Thursday, 7/29/2010: Tried two PCs and two browsers. Notified Managing Board Editor of the problem. Reply says he believes the problem is that their end, not mine; they are investigating. When I tried to post, I was told to logout and try logging in again. Unable to log out, hence unable to log in. Therefore, cannot post. Problem appears unaffected by all PC/browser combinations I tried. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 20:11:14 2010 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In Chicago it's 1975 again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227752.98609.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 7/29/10, Kevin Vahey wrote: > CBS in a desperate move to jumpstart > WBBM-TV's newscasts have decided > to bring back Bill Kurtis and Walter Jacobson to co-anchor > the 6 PM > news as of September 1. > > In the 70's into the early 80's WBBM was considered to be > the best > local newscast in the US. > > WBBM has been a non-factor for over a decade as it has > never recovered > from their ill fated attempt. To do a WSVN-WHDH format in > Chicago as > yellow journalism doesn't fly in the midwest. In fact > Chicago is one > place Rupert Murdoch failed with a racy tabloid. > > http://cbs2chicago.com/studio/cbs.anchor.teams.2.1831466.html I wonder how much they had to pay Kurtis to come back -- guessing it's a tidy sum. I'd be surprised if he's hurting for cash given his commercials, Biography programs, etc., but you'd know better. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jul 29 21:27:39 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:27:39 -0400 Subject: In Chicago it's 1975 again In-Reply-To: <227752.98609.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <227752.98609.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What I have heard he wants another shot of knocking WLS-TV out of the top slot. That may well be impossible as ABC7 is just as entrenched as WPVI in Philadelphia for local news. I STILL can not understand why WBBM doesn't ditch the CBS mandate and use the tie in with Newsradio 78 like WBZ did Yes Roger - same Bill Kurtis On 7/29/10, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 7/29/10, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> CBS in a desperate move to jumpstart >> WBBM-TV's newscasts have decided >> to bring back Bill Kurtis and Walter Jacobson to co-anchor >> the 6 PM >> news as of September 1. >> >> In the 70's into the early 80's WBBM was considered to be >> the best >> local newscast in the US. >> >> WBBM has been a non-factor for over a decade as it has >> never recovered >> from their ill fated attempt. To do a WSVN-WHDH format in >> Chicago as >> yellow journalism doesn't fly in the midwest. In fact >> Chicago is one >> place Rupert Murdoch failed with a racy tabloid. >> >> http://cbs2chicago.com/studio/cbs.anchor.teams.2.1831466.html > > I wonder how much they had to pay Kurtis to come back -- guessing it's a > tidy sum. I'd be surprised if he's hurting for cash given his commercials, > Biography programs, etc., but you'd know better. > > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 10:18:56 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WLNE in receivership Message-ID: <216194.72810.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It was just a matter of time. Global will probably sell in the future, but if NBC had a hard time finding a buyer for WJAR a few years ago who would be interested in the #3 or 4 station in the market? http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/455382-Struggling_WLNE_In_Receivership.php From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 10:30:50 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:30:50 -0400 Subject: WLNE in receivership In-Reply-To: <216194.72810.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <216194.72810.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The station should have stayed New Bedford based and focus on SE Mass and the Cape - The staggering part is they only paid 14M and still couldn't make it. On 7/30/10, Maureen Carney wrote: > It was just a matter of time. Global will probably sell in the future, but > if > NBC had a hard time finding a buyer for WJAR a few years ago who would be > interested in the #3 or 4 station in the market? > > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/455382-Struggling_WLNE_In_Receivership.php > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 31 18:58:40 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:58:40 -0400 Subject: Don't blame me - I tried Message-ID: I am working in the FOX production truck today at Fenway. Well FOX has jazzed up the FOXBOX that displays the score and on MANY cable providers it is cut off because AFD is not enabled So FOX master control in Hollywood tells the truck to have Dick Stockton tell the viewers to complain to their provider. I tell Stockton what to say AUTO FLUX DEVICE was not my idea From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jul 31 20:29:22 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:29:22 -0400 Subject: Don't blame me - I tried In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I noticed that up here in NH watching WFXT on Metrocast cable. I was wondering if Fox had just decide that people without HD didn't matter anymore :). I do miss not having it while I'm up here at the cottage... Jeff Lehmann Lake Winnisquam, NH On Jul 31, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am working in the FOX production truck today at Fenway. > > Well FOX has jazzed up the FOXBOX that displays the score and on MANY > cable providers it is cut off because AFD is not enabled > > So FOX master control in Hollywood tells the truck to have Dick > Stockton tell the viewers to complain to their provider. I tell > Stockton what to say > > AUTO FLUX DEVICE was not my idea From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jul 31 22:05:03 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:05:03 -0400 Subject: Don't blame me - I tried In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why FOX didn't go the same way as NESN, YES and others baffles us. Big problem are the Chyron's themselves as they are Windows 2000 (yup) Comcast flat out refuses to do it on many headends. On 7/31/10, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I noticed that up here in NH watching WFXT on Metrocast cable. I was > wondering if Fox had just decide that people without HD didn't matter > anymore :). I do miss not having it while I'm up here at the cottage... > > Jeff Lehmann > Lake Winnisquam, NH > > > > On Jul 31, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I am working in the FOX production truck today at Fenway. >> >> Well FOX has jazzed up the FOXBOX that displays the score and on MANY >> cable providers it is cut off because AFD is not enabled >> >> So FOX master control in Hollywood tells the truck to have Dick >> Stockton tell the viewers to complain to their provider. I tell >> Stockton what to say >> >> AUTO FLUX DEVICE was not my idea >