From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jan 1 01:10:00 2010 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (rac@gabrielmass.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 1:10:00 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air Message-ID: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> As of 1 am Jan 1, WCRB is transmitting but silent, both on FM and streaming audio. Does anyone know whether this is a planned and wanted outage? --RC From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jan 1 02:40:27 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:40:27 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> They are on as of 2:39 am and the website has described the past few pieces. Tech. difficulties? On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:10 AM, wrote: > As of 1 am Jan 1, WCRB is transmitting but silent, both on FM and streaming audio. ?Does anyone know whether this is a planned and wanted outage? > --RC > > > From HeritageRadio@msn.com Fri Jan 1 03:26:53 2010 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 03:26:53 -0500 Subject: SUGGESTION Message-ID: Maybe someone ( Hint, hint, Donna) could compile a collection of all the names from the golden years of broadcasting here in Boston and vicinity complete with a brief description of each. So many of the Boston Interest subscribers have such a lot of favorites, with personal recollections, perhaps an author could weave those remembrances into book form shedding specific light on the development of the stations and it's personalities from the 1930's through the 1960's (or so). Happy New Year!! Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 1 04:07:44 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:07:44 -0500 Subject: SUGGESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100101090755.807741B4050@relay22.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:26 AM 1/1/2010, Thomas Heathwood wrote: >Maybe someone ( Hint, hint, Donna) could compile a collection of >all the names from the golden years of broadcasting here in Boston and >vicinity complete with a brief description of each. So many of the >Boston Interest subscribers have such a lot of favorites, with >personal recollections, perhaps an author could weave those >remembrances into book form shedding specific light on the >development of the stations and it's personalities from the 1930's >through the 1960's (or so). Happy New Year!! I'd love to do it if only (a) I had more time and (b) I could make a few bucks from it-- I mean, I love media history, but my landlord loves to get the rent each month... I'd be very happy to work on such a project-- lord knows I have the information available... as soon as I finish my PhD dissertation, maybe Tom and I and a couple of other good folks who love media history can collaborate. Would you want an on-line book or would you want to try to get something published? From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 1 04:36:49 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:36:49 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <000f01ca8ac5$f6bd1e20$c4141bac@whdh.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of rac@gabrielmass.com > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:10 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: WCRB dead air > > As of 1 am Jan 1, WCRB is transmitting but silent, both on FM > and streaming audio. Does anyone know whether this is a > planned and wanted outage? > --RC Don't know about that one, but at 4 AM when Toast of the Nation went to it's local station ID, WGBH had a minute of silence instead. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH (On the early shift) From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 1 14:36:44 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:36:44 -0500 Subject: Victor Best In-Reply-To: <970728.44653.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: , <970728.44653.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3E4ECC.31446.58A471@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Dec 2009 at 9:02, Peter Q. George wrote: > If recall, Victor Best eventually wound up on Boston Catholic's > WIHS-TV Channel 38 (now WSBK-TV) in around 1965 doing "Victor Best and > The News". He was basically doing copy with no film or whatever. He > was reading the copy sitting at a desk with a placard in front of him > that said "Victor Best". The background was wood paneling. It was > obviously a one-camera shot. One time I remember he was on the air > with his arm in a sling for a few days. (Must have hurt himself at the > time.) I vaguely recall it was only a 10-15 minute newscast, right > before "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis". This sounds very similar to the newscast he was doing in the early evening on channel 4 in the early 1950s. It came after a block of chldren's programming, which is why I saw it. He did have some film, though, but not as much as there is on TV newscasts now. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 2 00:01:52 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:01:52 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Message-ID: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Bostonradio had a tweet showing link to a job posting for Clear Channel, looking for account exec at WXKS (error on freq: it says 1200). The key line: "Radio experience with a specialty in New(sic)-Talk a plus." ...Possibility of news talk format for 1430? If so what type... Something to keep an eye on. Talk stations not getting best of ratings lately and the demo might be seen as older, but you have to wonder if a station could be put on with blend of local and syndie (and think of Premiere/Clr Chnl connection). That doesn't necessarily mean El Rushbo and Beck will wind up there, but... From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 2 00:17:34 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:17:34 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:01 AM 1/2/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: >...Possibility of news talk format for 1430? If so what type... >Something to keep an eye on. Talk stations not getting best of >ratings lately and the demo might be seen as older, but you have to >wonder if a station could be put on with blend of local and syndie >(and think of Premiere/Clr Chnl connection). That doesn't >necessarily mean El Rushbo and Beck will wind up there, but... I've heard rumours for months about CC wanting to take Spanish off of one of those two stations-- 1430 would make more sense for them than 1200, I suppose, but isn't 1430 still the weaker signal, so why put their big guns like Limbaugh on that one? Btw, several years ago, I came very close to striking a deal to bring progressive talk back to 1430, but it fell through for reasons I cannot discuss on this list. Ultimately, progressive talk ended up on 1510 under what is, I believe, a lease-time agreement. I have no idea what sort of format CC would choose, but yes, I've definitely heard that talk is on their list of possibilities. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 2 01:12:44 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:12:44 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Message-ID: <20100102061257.9B6A41B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:48 AM 1/2/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > Also take note that Stephen and Tabitha King are changing their > WZON-FM 103.1 Dover-Foxcroft ME >to prog talk including Schultz, Steph Miller, Montel Williams, etc. >(Also Red Sox). The new slogan is the Pulse "a new voice, a new >choice". It starts Monday. That slogan was used when the format was on the air in Buffalo, iirc. And the talk show hosts that are doing the best (financially and ratings-wise) are the ones syndicated by the former Jones Radio Network-- today known as Dial Global. Schultz, Hartmann (who left Air America for Dial Global) and Stephanie Miller are all turning a profit and in certain markets, they are quite competitive, even though they are usually on weaker signals. Ed Schultz is about to celebrate his 6th anniversary doing progressive talk. From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sat Jan 2 02:32:15 2010 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (Thomas Heathwood) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:32:15 -0500 Subject: Boston Personalities Message-ID: RE: Boston Old Time Radio Compilation - Thanks Donna, maybe some ambitious folks would like to join together in such a project. It would be a big job putting all those names and profiles together, but I think it could be done. There's a wealth of source material (including your own fine books) tto put together something suitable for either "online" distribution or publishing, if it seemed worthy. <> From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 2 07:18:11 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:18:11 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: Even though 1430's daytime 5kW signal is no match for 1200's 50 kW, it does pretty well in a large part of the market, thanks to a rather central Tx location and a nondirectional day pattern. At night, however, 1430 is a lost cause unless you live in the CoL, Everett. The NIF is 40+ mV/m and the combination low night power (1 kW) and a directional pattern aimed northeast from a site a little northeast of the center of the market makes the signal inaudble except in a few North Shore communities (and technically, is interference-free only in Everett). The simplest solution would be for CCU to buy WAZN 1470 from Arthur Liu and put the two stations into a simulcast. WAZN has often been rumored to be for sale for relatively short money, although, in its current condition, CCU is unlikely to even be able think about (much less be in any position to actually do) a deal that involves spending ANY money. The thing is, with a dial position just 40 kHz north of WXKS (AM), higher power at night (3400W) than during the day (1400W), and a directional pattern that covers much of the market at night (vs relatively little--only northwestern suburbs--by day), WAZN has facilties that almost perfectly complement WXKS's. By pairing up what most people consider to be two dog AM signals, CCU could come up with one "station" that, from a technical standpoint, had a shot at being a player in the market, albeit, at best, only a second-string player. I have often thought that if Jeff Santos's strange deal with Blackstrap for 1510 should collapse (still seems highly likely to me), the 1430/1470 combo would be a viable alternative for the Progressive talk format. And if Alex Langer found something better to do with 1060, the 1430/1470 combo would also be a way for Barry Armstrong to extend WBNW's puny signal into the core of the market. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? > At 12:01 AM 1/2/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > >>...Possibility of news talk format for 1430? If so what type... >>Something to keep an eye on. Talk stations not getting best of >>ratings lately and the demo might be seen as older, but you have to >>wonder if a station could be put on with blend of local and syndie >>(and think of Premiere/Clr Chnl connection). That doesn't >>necessarily mean El Rushbo and Beck will wind up there, but... > > I've heard rumours for months about CC wanting to take Spanish off > of one of those two stations-- 1430 would make more sense for them > than 1200, I suppose, but isn't 1430 still the weaker signal, so why > put their big guns like Limbaugh on that one? Btw, several years > ago, I came very close to striking a deal to bring progressive talk > back to 1430, but it fell through for reasons I cannot discuss on > this list. Ultimately, progressive talk ended up on 1510 under what > is, I believe, a lease-time agreement. I have no idea what sort of > format CC would choose, but yes, I've definitely heard that talk is > on their list of possibilities. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 2 09:37:10 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:37:10 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> A couple items related to Ed Schultz: --a conservative actor, Dwight Schultz, has done fill ins for various rightie hosts. I would guess his opinions would not be mistaken for Ed's despite the surname... --conservative Washington Times writer Jeff Kuhner has done fill ins for various conservative hosts recently and I guess he knocked ED Schultz off WTNT and has expressed disdain for Ed's opinions, etc., and is attempting to launch national syndication (Kuhner, that is). A fan site for DWIGHT Schultz said that some people thought Dwight was filling in for Michael Savage recently; Dwight Schultz and Jeff Kuhner have similar opinions...and similar voices... So just as there is more than one Miller on the talk radio scene (Stephanie, and Dennis) more than one Schultz... I guess it was at a couple Clear Channel stations in NC that a "Rush Radio" format was launched. Don't know if the CC AMs here would want to do something similar; I still think CC/Premiere would prefer WRKO for Rush, but I wonder if they'd want to put Beck, Hannity, etc. on 1430 or 1200 (signals by day not bad). They may figure they can grab a few bucks, even if ratings may not be the best. Mostly-syndicated conservative talk efforts failed at 890 and 1150 but who knows. >>That slogan was used when the format was on the air in Buffalo,iirc. As for "Pulse" it's also being used up in NH at WTPL 107.7 which has a mix of talk and sports talk (ESPN, Dennis Miller, and the "N.H. Wakeup Show") http://www.wtplfm.com/article.php?story=20091230144020763 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 2 09:45:24 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC59D159CFF904-16B0-6D28@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> WKOX is certainly much improved (depending on where you are); agreed on WXKS at night. I have picked up WENE Endicott NY (sports) in N. Reading, not WXKS (or they'd be very faint washing in and out) Dan wrote: >>however, 1430 is a lost cause unless you live in the CoL, Everett. >>By pairing up what most people consider to be two dog AM signals, CCU could come up with one "station" that, from a technical standpoint, had a shot at being a player in the market, albeit, at best, only a second-string player. I think something similar happened for a time in Cleveland with two weaker AM signals doing ESPN sports (Craig Karmazin was somehow involved; then WKNR 850 got into the mix and changes erupted) >>I have often thought that if Jeff Santos's strange deal with Blackstrap for 1510 should collapse (still seems highly likely to me), the 1430/1470 combo would be a viable alternative for the Progressive talk format. That could happen, thus returning progtalk to 1430 where it had been--and remember I would think most people would listen by day to talk radio, esp AM and PM drive, and night listening drops off--but maybe 1470 could help From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 2 12:30:36 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:30:36 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 09:37 AM 1/2/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: >A couple items related to Ed Schultz: > >--conservative Washington Times writer Jeff Kuhner has done fill ins >for various conservative hosts recently and I guess he knocked ED >Schultz off WTNT and has expressed disdain for Ed's >opinions, etc., Umm, there's more to that story. Ed was not a good fit for WTNT, a station with all righties and just one progressive-- Ed. Advertisers evidently complained about having (gasp) somebody with the "wrong" views. The signal was awful, it was a stop-gap move for Ed to be on it, and I am sure he'll be on another station in the region, as he is well-connected with political figures in Washington. Like him or hate him, I see no harm in a station allowing and encouraging both sides of the issues. In fact, I wish we could have more stations where there were some rightie talkers and some leftie talkers (although Ed is more of a progressive populist than a hard-leftie). I say this as somebody who has consulted many many talk show hosts over the years, and found that the audience responds well to hearing exciting talk shows which offer differering points of view. From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jan 2 14:38:25 2010 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:38:25 EST Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2010 1:50:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlh@donnahalper.com writes: and found that the audience responds well to hearing exciting talk shows which offer differering points of view. Corporate bean-counting radio doesn't seem to agree with that. And, IS there such a thing as a good AM signal in Washington DC. All of DC's AM stations are signal-challeged excepting for 630 probably. BB From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 2 14:51:53 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:51:53 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> It's debatable but the powerful WBZ has Steve Leveille who is no conservative; WTKK has Eagan and Braude, who may be moderate, and overnight Phil Hendrie who is left on some issues, and WWZN of course, plus possibly what Clear Channel may be doing with their AMs here. NorMAN GoldMAN was even heard filling in for WTKK's McPhee some time ago. >>Like him or hate him, I see no harm in a stationallowing and encouraging both sides of the issues. Indeed, if the shows garner ratings and billings...Also note that some listeners call in and offer contrary opinions, like Howie Carr's regular callers "Josh from Vermont" and "Steve From Montreal". Sometimes JT The Brick (WBZ-FM, Fox Sports radio) will inject a conservative opinion in with his sports talk and his sidekick Tom Looney will rebut it with a more lefty position. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat Jan 2 16:43:10 2010 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:43:10 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Message-ID: <4B3FBDEE.3030603@Gmail.com> JibGuy remarked, > And, IS there such a thing as a good AM signal in Washington DC. > All of DC's AM stations are signal-challeged excepting for 630 > probably. Ah, what about 1.500-WTOP..(er)..WFED? P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jan 2 16:50:39 2010 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:50:39 EST Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2010 4:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kaimbridge@gmail.com writes: Ah, what about 1.500-WTOP..(er)..WFED? P=) Signalwise DC's 1.500 is somewhat like our 1.510, although historically better programmed! 1.500 has some serious nulls. BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 2 22:31:46 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:31:46 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? References: Message-ID: <4E158DB0877E4201BBBA49DF005AB160@SatU205S5044> And, despite a low dial position (570), WTNT definitely counts as signal-challenged--probably second only to 1260 among DC's "major" AMs. There is a long story connected with this but I can't remember it. 570 is very directional (four towers day and night), is only 1 kW at night, and has a Tx site that is a long way from DC. (I believe the station is licensed to Bethesda.) Originally a 500W daytimer, WTNT became a full-timer not too many years after it took to the air shortly after WWII. Its original full-time Tx site was quite good but for reasons I can't recall, the station moved to its current site and the move was suicidal for the signal. Rather like 1300 in Baltimore, which had an incredible signal around the clock for decades. Not only did it cover well daytime, its nighttime signal was legendary thoughout the northeast. But some bozo decided to make "improvements" and moved the station to a new site--a move from which the station has never recovered. Another major market 570 with a horrible signal is the one in Tampa Bay. It's relatively new and was squeezed in between WDBO 580 in Orlando and the Gulf coast. As a result, the station uses a six-tower array that produces a signal that is decent only along the coast--can't even be heard very well in the eastern parts of Tampa itself. St Petersburg and Clearwater are OK though. Also high powered Cubans do it no favors, especially at night. Aside from 630, DC's other good AM signal is 980, which is 50 kW days (5 kW night). However, even that one has some serious problems, I'm told. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? > > In a message dated 1/2/2010 1:50:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dlh@donnahalper.com writes: > > and found that the audience responds > well to hearing exciting talk shows which offer differering points > of view. > > Corporate bean-counting radio doesn't seem to agree with that. And, > IS > there such a thing as a good AM signal in Washington DC. All of > DC's AM > stations are signal-challeged excepting for 630 probably. > > BB From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Jan 3 04:32:19 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 04:32:19 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> Norman Goldman was a frequent guest on legal issues with Ed Schultz for years, then eventually started filling in for him, and other progressive talkers at the local level. He's now syndicated, and his show runs 6-9pm. Maybe WTKK is toying around with putting on some other more progressive voices, besides the fairly moderate Egan & Braude show in the morning. -Dave Tomm On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:51 PM, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > > It's debatable but the powerful WBZ has Steve Leveille who is no > conservative; WTKK has Eagan and Braude, who may be moderate, and > overnight Phil Hendrie who is left on some issues, and WWZN of > course, plus possibly what Clear Channel may be doing with their AMs > here. > > NorMAN GoldMAN was even heard filling in for WTKK's McPhee some time > ago. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jan 3 10:00:56 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:00:56 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CC5A9CAF99E7B9-A08-796C@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> This was a little while back, filling in for Michele McPhee at night--back in August. He was mentioned on a blog concerning Boston talk radio and when his name came up I did a search and found him mentioned as someone who filled in for Schultz regularly. >>Norman Goldman was a frequent guest on legal issues with Ed Schultz for years, then eventually started filling in for him, and other progressive talkers at the local level. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 3 11:34:25 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:34:25 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8CC5A9CAF99E7B9-A08-796C@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> <8CC5A9CAF99E7B9-A08-796C@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100103163441.D509544C02A@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 10:00 AM 1/3/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: >This was a little while back, filling in for Michele McPhee at >night--back in August. He was mentioned on a blog concerning Boston >talk radio and when his name came up I did a search and found him >mentioned as someone who filled in for Schultz regularly. Norm still fills in for Ed periodically. He did so as recently as three weeks ago, and I assume he will do so again. Norm is a successful attorney who is now following his dream and trying to do progressive talk fulltime. I have known him for a while and he's a really good guy, so we will see if he can actually make a living doing talk, or if he will have to return to being the "senior legal analyst." From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 3 11:30:06 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:30:06 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> Message-ID: <20100103163023.0ABCD44C042@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:32 AM 1/3/2010, Dave Tomm wrote: >Norman Goldman was a frequent guest on legal issues with Ed Schultz >for years, then eventually started filling in for him, and other >progressive talkers at the local level. He's now syndicated, and his >show runs 6-9pm. I thought they buried his show in the overnights on 1510. The reason he was on that one week on WTKK was they were auditioning him for possible fill-in work. At that point, it didn't work out, however. There were also some other things going on at WTKK with regard to several people's contracts being up, but evidently they were all re-signed. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jan 3 11:50:04 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:50:04 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: <20100103163023.0ABCD44C042@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> <8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> <20100103163023.0ABCD44C042@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: Curts Sliwa is most definitely gone from WTKK. Their program schedule shows John Batchelor at 10PM (Sliwa's old slot). The rest of their schedule looks the same. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 04:32 AM 1/3/2010, Dave Tomm wrote: > >> Norman Goldman was a frequent guest on legal issues with Ed Schultz >> for years, then eventually started filling in for him, and other >> progressive talkers at the local level. He's now syndicated, and his >> show runs 6-9pm. >> > > I thought they buried his show in the overnights on 1510. The reason he > was on that one week on WTKK was they were auditioning him for possible > fill-in work. At that point, it didn't work out, however. There were also > some other things going on at WTKK with regard to several people's contracts > being up, but evidently they were all re-signed. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jan 3 12:00:27 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:00:27 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? In-Reply-To: References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com><20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com><8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net> <20100103163023.0ABCD44C042@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC5AAD61E5DE4C-14E0-7C2C@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Sliwa was bounced by Citadel in favor of John Batchelor. Sliwa begins on WNYM 970 in NYC area, the Apple, a wk from tomorrow in AM drive. No idea if he will be syndicated Eagan and Braude contracts renewed last yr; supposedly WRKO was interested in getting them. Tom Finneran contract expires next month (as Howie noted in his column today); no idea if RKO will renew -----Original Message----- From: Bob DeMattia To: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:50 am Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Curts Sliwa is most definitely gone from WTKK. Their program schedule shows John Batchelor at 10PM (Sliwa's old slot). The rest of their schedule looks the same From attychase@comcast.net Sun Jan 3 17:01:55 2010 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) References: Message-ID: Isn't that an expression of what the "fairness doctrine" did prior to its elimination by the divisifiers? Too much "shout radio" and not enough "confer" radio. Oh well, just a personal opinion. As I was thinking about it and right wing and left wing "talkers" I thought there was a mechanical saying that might apply just as well to the nuts that broadcast as those that go on bolts, i.e., "righty, tighty, lefty, loosey" RSC > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:30:36 -0500 > From: Donna Halper > Umm, there's more to that story. Ed was not a good fit for WTNT, a > station with all righties and just one progressive-- Ed. Advertisers > evidently complained about having (gasp) somebody with the "wrong" > views. The signal was awful, it was a stop-gap move for Ed to be on > it, and I am sure he'll be on another station in the region, as he is > well-connected with political figures in Washington. Like him or > hate him, I see no harm in a station allowing and encouraging both > sides of the issues. In fact, I wish we could have more stations > where there were some rightie talkers and some leftie talkers > (although Ed is more of a progressive populist than a > hard-leftie). I say this as somebody who has consulted many many > talk show hosts over the years, and found that the audience responds > well to hearing exciting talk shows which offer differering points of > view. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 3 17:37:03 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:37:03 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? References: <8CC597FD4F3D7DC-8FC-657A@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102051747.6093D1B4068@relay23.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59866A4D3EBC-8FC-6604@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com><20100102061223.F0C641B400D@relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59D033AB5044-16B0-6CFE@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com><20100102173050.E73B3204810@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><8CC59FC2AACA144-16B0-7270@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com><8E406DC6-627E-4CE8-A74E-46B7DF501DC9@charter.net><20100103163023.0ABCD44C042@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <8CC5AAD61E5DE4C-14E0-7C2C@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5CEF2DFB7FFC4E858121C6B2E98FEE5A@SatU205S5044> WNYM is owned by Salem. If Salem still syndicates its personalities: Medved, Prager, Bennett, Gallagher, then you can count on their syndicating Sliwa. OTOH, they used to syndicate Laura Schleesinger and several of their O&Os still carry her program, but I believe she is now syndicated by someone else (don't know who; don't know if I ever knew). Her program was on CCU's KFI--I believe even while the show was being syndicated by Salem. Her LA affiliation recently changed to CBS-owned KFWB, however. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Sliwa was bounced by Citadel in favor of John Batchelor. Sliwa begins on WNYM 970 in NYC area, the Apple, a wk from tomorrow in AM drive. No idea if he will be syndicated Eagan and Braude contracts renewed last yr; supposedly WRKO was interested in getting them. Tom Finneran contract expires next month (as Howie noted in his column today); no idea if RKO will renew -----Original Message----- From: Bob DeMattia To: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:50 am Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? Curts Sliwa is most definitely gone from WTKK. Their program schedule shows John Batchelor at 10PM (Sliwa's old slot). The rest of their schedule looks the same From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 3 19:31:31 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:31 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 05:01 PM 1/3/2010, Robert S Chase wrote: >Isn't that an expression of what the "fairness doctrine" did prior >to its elimination by the divisifiers? Too much "shout radio" and >not enough "confer" radio. Oh well, just a personal opinion. As I >was thinking about it and right wing and left wing "talkers" I >thought there was a mechanical saying that might apply just as well >to the nuts that broadcast as those that go on bolts, >i.e., "righty, tighty, lefty, loosey" Not sure I follow-- I mean, I know the engineering maxim. But as for the talkers, some righties are reasonable and try to be fair, and while I might disagree with their interpretation of events, I find I can listen to them and still benefit from hearing their point of view (Michael Medved comes to mind); some lefties are accurate and friendly, and no matter what side you are on, you can learn something from their show (Thom Hartmann comes to mind). Many of the rest, on both sides, seem to operate by the maxim "I CAN SHOUT LOUDER THAN YOU, SO THEREFORE I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!! I have trained talkers for years, and that includes many talkers who were onservative in their politics, but they came from the generation where you debated rather than insulted -- imagine a generation never knowing that once upon a time, there were truly intelligent and erudite conservative talk show hosts like David Brudnoy... From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jan 3 19:53:37 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:53:37 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) In-Reply-To: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC5AEF7BDCFD97-143C-8443@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Not all conservatives, or liberals, are shouters. WTKK has John Batchelor, who used to run on WRKO years ago. He leans right but the tone is his show is enlightened discussion; can be somber but he also can be "light" with guests--which is all you'll get, as he will not take calls. In some ways it has been described as a "news magazine for radio" and has been called "NPR on Drugs" or "The BBC on Steroids" :) In some ways I missed Sliwa--mob updates, Jeffrey Lyons on movies, etc. Yes, there was Brudnoy, and Burns*, and Jerry Williams. Jerry could be loud at times though when it was needed, though but not REALLY shouting. Also, for all those who think Howie Carr is rude, note that even if he disagrees with a caller he ends the conversation by thanking them for the call. The least he can do! Let me add Avi Nelson now that I think of it, as he did some recent fill ins for Howie. He's a throwback to the old days and enjoyable. (I don't think I'm related to him :) but I enjoy...) *-- "We have transited the meridian and entered the afternoon incarnation of the broadcast". Sigh, wish Gene didn't enjoy living in San Fran so much; he'd be welcomed here! From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 3 21:51:28 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:51:28 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) References: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <8CC5AEF7BDCFD97-143C-8443@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1E0269500CB04CC3A85A2B95EC196EFB@SatU205S5044> Are you forgetting that Gene did a Boston show from SF for a short while? It was when 1060 had the WMEX calls and had increased its daytime power but was not yet on at night. I believe he was on from noon to 2:00PM but I'm not certain. I think that, several years earlier, he may also have done a Boston show from SF on WKOX, long before CCU bought the station. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) *-- "We have transited the meridian and entered the afternoon incarnation of the broadcast". Sigh, wish Gene didn't enjoy living in San Fran so much; he'd be welcomed here! From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 3 22:16:53 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:16:53 -0500 Subject: A new (on-topic) toy for smartphone owners Message-ID: <19265.23973.747975.358170@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> If you have a smartphone with a location-enabled Web browser, visit to get a listing of the broadcast facilities in your vicinity. Please be gentle: this application has had the sum total of 16 hours of development time and has been tested by all of three people (including myself). There are doubtless additional undiscovered bugs. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 3 22:56:45 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:56:45 -0500 Subject: ABC Evening News on WCAP Message-ID: <4B4166FD.18530.A70727@joe.attorneyross.com> WCAP is promoting that they will soon have the ABC Evening News with Diane Sawyer on after the WCVB news. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From linc45r-n@lincster.com Fri Jan 1 17:54:50 2010 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:54:50 -0800 Subject: Victor Best In-Reply-To: <23103355.1262282694211.JavaMail.root@n10> References: <23103355.1262282694211.JavaMail.root@n10> Message-ID: <023f01ca8b35$6f67c680$4e375380$@com> I worked at WIHS in 1964/5, departing WMUR in the fall of '64 and joining the "real" WHDH in May of '65. I was the token Jew in the Engineering Department crew ;-) I believe the then Chief Engineer Don Wise was the token Protestant. Monsignor Walter Flaherty was the President, and Austin Harrison (who had come from a station in Joplin, MO) was the General Manager. Bill Harnard was the Program Manager (also from Joplin), and Dave Baker, who I believe came from Channel 7 was the film editor. Howie Williams was Don Wise's assistant, Lou Jordan was the transmitter operator. Skip Boucher was also a technician and we had this screw-ball kid, Paul Beck, that did something, we never did figure out what, but Paul grew up and did very well for himself. Ted Sepulski (?) or something like that was a booth announcer along with the late Chris Clausen. There were two newscasters, Victor Best and John D. O'Connell. John D. had a serious alcohol problem and was dismissed in early '65. The story I was told was that John D. had lost his wife (or girlfriend) while moving to Boston, killed in a car wreck, and he was having difficulty dealing with the loss. I wonder if he ever surfaced again? There were only two news films during my tenure, one was a helicopter crash near Logan Airport I shot with my new (to me) Bolex 16MM camera and the other was a brief clip from the Laurel & Hardy film "Hoosegow" on February 23rd 1965. I had just purchased and received in the mail the first of the many L&H 16 MM films I collected (I bought it from the long gone Movie Wonderland, 6116 Glen Tower, Hollywood, I learned about Movie Wonderland from Dave Baker). What has always been significant to me was that I received the film on the day Stan Laurel died, and had taken in to work with me.. so we had a brief clip on the air for the newscast. I still have a closet full of 16MM L&H and other slapstick even though I have most now on DVD. Back to WIHS... The newscast did have two cameras, one fixed on Victor and the other used for very generic stills to go with the newscasts, they were cut from publications like "Life Magazine" and hot pressed on to cards. Obviously we had no rights to use them. In about April of '65 a vote was taken to unionize the station, which passed, so the Archdiocese promptly curtailed operations and let everybody go. Later I did get asked to stay on but had already been hired as a Summer relief by both WBZ and WHDH. Having seen both operations it was a no brainier, I went to Ch 5, WBZ was a technical disaster while WHDH was a show place. I got drafted that Summer and when I got out I did go to work at WBZ... If there had been an opening I'd probably would have gone back to Ch 5, and I'd probably just be retiring from WCVB... But BZ was such a dump and so poorly managed technically I moved on and the way things have turned out I am glad I did. In the end, Austin Harrison invested a lot of his own money trying to keep WIHS going, and I believe he did well when Storer bought the station, I hope so. Monsignor Flaherty was a scratch golfer, I'm told he had occasionally played with Bing Crosby. His administrative assistant was May Madigan, a very lovely lady! On Sundays we did a live show called "John Kiley by Request." John, as the story goes, is the only man who played for all four teams, the Red Sox, The Bruins, the Celtic and the Patriots.... for those not familiar... the position John played... the organ! Then there was the day we took a camera on the roof of the building at 22 Granby street to incorporate some city shots into John's show... Boy was Don Wise mad at us! Thanks for letting me share some memories, and happy new year! Linc Oh, did I mention the time Skip brought a rather "lubricated" young lady to the studio and shot some video I don't think the church would approve of? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Peter Q. George Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:03 AM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Cdsull502@aol.com; radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Victor Best If recall, Victor Best eventually wound up on Boston Catholic's WIHS-TV Channel 38 (now WSBK-TV) in around 1965 doing "Victor Best and The News". He was basically doing copy with no film or whatever. He was reading the copy sitting at a desk with a placard in front of him that said "Victor Best". The background was wood paneling. It was obviously a one-camera shot. One time I remember he was on the air with his arm in a sling for a few days. (Must have hurt himself at the time.) I vaguely recall it was only a 10-15 minute newscast, right before "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis". In 1964, Channel 38 was Boston's first UHF'er since the demise of WTAO-TV Channel 56 back in 1956. During the day the station was airing instructional programs to schools in the Archdiocese. After 4, the station went to a (what we would call today) general entertainment Independent. Eventually the station was sold to Storer Broadcasting in 1966. Proceeds for the sale of the station probably went to the cost of getting Boston Catholic's ITFS (Instructional Television Fixed Service) system up and running from the Pru. More than likely, Victor's short stay at Channel 38 was probably during the time he was "between jobs". It brought him a paycheck. But also it more than likely, it gave WIHS-TV a little more credibility for the people who actually had UHF TV's at the time. Apparently, people did notice it and watched it, just before the 6:00 Newscasts on Channels 4, 5 and 7. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Cdsull502@aol.com wrote: > From: Cdsull502@aol.com > Subject: Victor Best > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:02 PM > Didn't Victor Best jump from WBZ-TV > to WNAC-TV and engender some? bad > feelings by announcing his departure to WNAC on his > (obviously) last? broadcast > on channel 4? I'm sure Donna can fill us in on that. > > Chris? Sullivan > CdSull502@aol.com > From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jan 2 12:56:19 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:56:19 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> <1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Nelson >To: rac@gabrielmass.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 2:40 am >Subject: Re: WCRB dead air >On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:10 AM, wrote: > As of 1 am Jan 1, WCRB is transmitting but silent, both on FM and streaming audio. Does anyone know whether this is a planned and wanted outage? > --RC > > > Howe long were you listening? Now that 20th-Century music is no longer verboten (a little Deutsch lingo), it's possible that WCRB was playing John Cage's 4'33". Here is the sheet music for that piece: From linc45r-n@lincster.com Sat Jan 2 20:04:57 2010 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (Linc Reed-Nickerson) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:04:57 -0800 Subject: Victor Best & WIHS Message-ID: <000001ca8c10$c5c86350$515929f0$@com> I worked at WIHS in 1964/5, departing WMUR in the fall of '64 and joining the "real" WHDH in May of '65. I was the token Jew in the Engineering Department crew ;-) I believe the then Chief Engineer Don Wise was the token Protestant. Monsignor Walter Flaherty was the President, and Austin Harrison (who had come from a station in Joplin, MO) was the General Manager. Bill Harnard was the Program Manager (also from Joplin), and Dave Baker, who I believe came from Channel 7 was the film editor. Howie Williams was Don Wise's assistant, Lou Jordan was the transmitter operator. Skip Boucher was also a technician and we had this screw-ball kid, Paul Beck, that did something, we never did figure out what, but Paul grew up and did very well for himself. Ted Sepulski (?) or something like that was a booth announcer along with the late Chris Clausen. There were two newscasters, Victor Best and John D. O'Connell. John D. had a serious alcohol problem and was dismissed in early '65. The story I was told was that John D. had lost his wife (or girlfriend) while moving to Boston, killed in a car wreck, and he was having difficulty dealing with the loss. I wonder if he ever surfaced again? There were only two news films during my tenure, one was a helicopter crash near Logan Airport I shot with my new (to me) Bolex 16MM camera and the other was a brief clip from the Laurel & Hardy film "Hoosegow" on February 23rd 1965. I had just purchased and received in the mail the first of the many L&H 16 MM films I collected (I bought it from the long gone Movie Wonderland, 6116 Glen Tower, Hollywood, I learned about Movie Wonderland from Dave Baker). What has always been significant to me was that I received the film on the day Stan Laurel died, and had taken in to work with me.. so we had a brief clip on the air for the newscast. I still have a closet full of 16MM L&H and other slapstick even though I have most now on DVD. Back to WIHS... The newscast did have two cameras, one fixed on Victor and the other used for very generic stills to go with the newscasts, they were cut from publications like "Life Magazine" and hot pressed on to cards. Obviously we had no rights to use them. In about April of '65 a vote was taken to unionize the station, which passed, so the Archdiocese promptly curtailed operations and let everybody go. Later I did get asked to stay on but had already been hired as a Summer relief by both WBZ and WHDH. Having seen both operations it was a no brainier, I went to Ch 5, WBZ was a technical disaster while WHDH was a show place. I got drafted that Summer and when I got out I did go to work at WBZ... If there had been an opening I'd probably would have gone back to Ch 5, and I'd probably just be retiring from WCVB... But BZ was such a dump and so poorly managed technically I moved on and the way things have turned out I am glad I did. In the end, Austin Harrison invested a lot of his own money trying to keep WIHS going, and I believe he did well when Storer bought the station, I hope so. Monsignor Flaherty was a scratch golfer, I'm told he had occasionally played with Bing Crosby. His administrative assistant was May Madigan, a very lovely lady! On Sundays we did a live show called "John Kiley by Request." John, as the story goes, is the only man who played for all four teams, the Red Sox, The Bruins, the Celtic and the Patriots.... for those not familiar... the position John played... the organ! Then there was the day we took a camera on the roof of the building at 22 Granby street to incorporate some city shots into John's show... Boy was Don Wise mad at us! Thanks for letting me share some memories, and happy new year! Linc From songbook24@gmail.com Mon Jan 4 13:16:52 2010 From: songbook24@gmail.com (Russ Butler) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:16:52 -0800 Subject: North Dakota tower Message-ID: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> Happy New Year! An AP story in today's paper about the grand opening of the world's tallest building in Dubai ("Burj Dubai") at 2,684 feet, taller than it's nearest competitor, the Taipei 101 (1,667 feet). The Willis Tower (nee Sears Tower) in Chicago is the world's second tallest when spires and antennas are included in the measurement. The article mentions that the Dubai building is the world's tallest "structure" beating out a television mast in North Dakota. What would that tower be and how many broadcast signals does it accommodate? Thanks. =Russ Butler From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 4 14:16:01 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The article mentions that the Dubai building is the world's tallest > "structure" beating out a television mast in North Dakota. What would > that tower be and how many broadcast signals does it accommodate? For the answer to that question and more fun facts about the Fargo market, see my photo essay "North Dakota: Land of Tall Towers" in the Archives at . -GAWollman From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:30:24 2010 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:30:24 -0500 Subject: top radio personalities in Boston? In-Reply-To: <015E2C36-50C6-48AC-A717-A184ED5C2B36@comcast.net> References: <015E2C36-50C6-48AC-A717-A184ED5C2B36@comcast.net> Message-ID: "Day by Day" with Betty Day(e?). Paul Sandwich > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > From: dav2149@comcast.net > Subject: RE: top radio personalities in Boston? > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:04:19 -0500 > > I loved "the voice" - Bill Marlowe. I also enjoyed in the 1980's Tony > Cennamo's jazz program, late nights, on WBUR (was he ever on WCAS - > what was the format?). What was the woman's name on 1330 WHET(?) in > the early 70's(?) when it played big band music? I recall the > weatherman on WKOX 1190, Roland Boucher("here's the weather today > with Roland Boucher", as being very nice to listen to. WCOP had a > female traffic reporter (in a helicopter), Stephanie "the eye in the > sky" reporter from AM1150. TV personalities...I remember one summer > in the 1960's channel 7 carried a weekly (Monday nights?) science > fiction movie at 7:30(?) hosted by an alien creature, Feep. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 4 14:35:57 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:35:57 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > For the answer to that question and more fun facts about the Fargo > market, see my photo essay "North Dakota: Land of Tall Towers" in the > Archives at . I wonder - and should remember to ask some of the tower experts I know when next I see them - what the maximum practical height would be for a uniform cross-section guyed steel tower of the KVLY type. I assume the only thing at all magical about 2,063 feet is that it's the maximum the FAA will permit. (And under current FCC rules, there's also no reason to go taller, since both FM and TV stations will be power-derated if they go above 600 meters HAAT.) s From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 4 14:47:57 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:47:57 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I wonder - and should remember to ask some of the tower experts I know > when next I see them - what the maximum practical height would be for a > uniform cross-section guyed steel tower of the KVLY type. Don't be shocked if they tell you it's less than 2063'.... The Warsaw tower was 2121' and it failed. The KXJB tower was 2060' and it failed. There's not much margin for error in these super-tall guyed structures. > I assume the only thing at all magical about 2,063 feet is that it's > the maximum the FAA will permit. Actually, the FAA won't even permit that tall, absent an "exceptional" reason. I think "exceptional" as currently interpreted boils down to "my old tower was 2060' and it just fell down". -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jan 4 15:02:07 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:02:07 -0500 Subject: top TV personalities???? Message-ID: <20100104150207.bpipz89qs8gs080g@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> . . . Uncle Gus in Manchester, Al Capp and others I can't recall. Al Capp?? The creator of "Li'l Abner"? I knew he lived in the Boston area, but what was his involvement in broadcasting? Are you thinking of the weather forecaster Al Kaprillean(sp)? -Doug Quoting Jay Lavelle : > > Sharon King !!! > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > Henning started at channel 7, went to the old and new 5, then back to > > 7 and finally 4. In the early 60's he was also on channel 2. > > > > The biggest TV personality ever spawned in Boston? > > > > Julia Child > > > > News anchors - Victor Best, Arch McDonald, Jim Jensen, Jack Hynes, > > Natalie Jacobson, Tom Ellis, Chet Curtis, Jack Williams, Chuck > > Scarboro, Jack Chase, Liz Walker to name a few > > > > Weather - Don Kent, Dick Albert, Harvey Leonard, Bob Copeland, Bruce > > Sweigler (sic) > > > > Sports - The big 3 - Don Gillis, Bob Lobel and Mike Lynch. > > > > Bob Gamere should be in the HoF but > > > > Clark Booth the best reporter this town has ever seen for news and sports > > > > Personalties > > > > Frank Avruch (Bozo), Major Mudd, Louise Morgan, John Willis, Janet > > Langhart, Tom Bergeron, Capt Bob Cottle, Sonya Hamlin, Bob Emery, Rex > > Trailer, Robin Young, Uncle Gus in Manchester, Al Capp and others I > > can't recall. > > > > Master of the live weather shot - Shelby Scott > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 4 15:04:57 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:04:57 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B4249E9.3060505@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I wonder - and should remember to ask some of the tower experts I know >> when next I see them - what the maximum practical height would be for a >> uniform cross-section guyed steel tower of the KVLY type. > > Don't be shocked if they tell you it's less than 2063'.... > > The Warsaw tower was 2121' and it failed. The KXJB tower was 2060' > and it failed. There's not much margin for error in these super-tall > guyed structures. Good points. I wonder, too, if such a super-tall antenna works as well on digital UHF as it did on analog VHF? Granted there's not much population directly under the antenna, but still the usual UHF low-TPO/high-gain-antenna seems to me as though it might still shoot a fair amount of signal over the heads of the target audience. Did the KVLY folks have any comments about their DTV coverage vs. analog? s From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 4 15:08:06 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:08:06 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100104200809.681E01B409B@relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:16 PM 1/4/2010, Russ Butler wrote: >The article mentions that the Dubai building is the world's tallest >"structure" beating out a television mast in North Dakota. What >would that tower be and how many broadcast signals does it >accommodate? Thanks. =Russ Butler I was in Fargo on business in 2008, and found that thanks to media consolidation, about 6 or 7 stations operated from one small building in downtown Fargo, the home of KFGO (and former home of progressive talker Ed Schultz...). Didn't find the city especially exciting-- if there is a "typical" midwestern city, Fargo fits the bill. But while the Fargo Forum, the region's newspaper, had a long AP article about the Burj Dubai, it offered no tie-in nor any mention of a television mast in ND. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 4 15:13:25 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:13:25 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <20100104200809.681E01B409B@relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <20100104200809.681E01B409B@relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B424BE5.5020201@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > I was in Fargo on business in 2008, and found that thanks to media > consolidation, about 6 or 7 stations operated from one small building in > downtown Fargo, the home of KFGO (and former home of progressive talker > Ed Schultz...). Didn't find the city especially exciting-- if there is > a "typical" midwestern city, Fargo fits the bill. But while the Fargo > Forum, the region's newspaper, had a long AP article about the Burj > Dubai, it offered no tie-in nor any mention of a television mast in ND. That would be a sop to the competition! The Forum owns WDAY-TV, the ABC affiliate (with a puny 1200' tower) that competes with the duopoly of KVLY-TV (2063') and KXJB (2060')... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 4 15:23:30 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:23:30 -0500 Subject: top radio personalities in Boston? References: <015E2C36-50C6-48AC-A717-A184ED5C2B36@comcast.net> Message-ID: <67A8867094F94109BA378309A0564E5D@SatU205S5044> Betty Daye--but you've gotta be kidding; she was _truly_ run of the mill! How about another woman who appeared on the same station after it became WRCA?--the late Marcia Masters. Now, she was really talented! If you want someone from WHET who hands down deserves the award for mediocrity or for inducing boredom, my vote goes to Johnny Towne. Nice enough guy, I guess, but despite the great music, he could put the most avid big band fan into a sound sleep within a quarter hour. Anyone who failed to fall asleep quickly enough risked death from acute boredom. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dav2149" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: RE: top radio personalities in Boston? > What was the woman's name on 1330 WHET(?) in the early 70's(?) when > it played big band music? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 4 15:28:54 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:28:54 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <20100104200809.681E01B409B@relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <20100104200809.681E01B409B@relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <19266.20358.323968.50936@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I was in Fargo on business in 2008, and found that thanks to media > consolidation, about 6 or 7 stations operated from one small building > in downtown Fargo, the home of KFGO (and former home of progressive > talker Ed Schultz...). The two old AM sites (KFGO and WDAY) are reasonably cool. The tall towers are impressive, but not much to look at otherwise. If I understood correctly, the old GE transmitter at KVLY is supposed to be gone now. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 4 15:39:49 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:39:49 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com><1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC5B9531EACB70-B18-11C8@web-mmc-d20.sysops.aol.com> Was going to make a joke about that--they could have been playing (mime) Marcel Marceau's greatest hits! > Howe long were you listening? Now that 20th-Century music is no longer verboten (a little Deutsch lingo), it's possible that WCRB was playing John Cage's 4'33". Here is the sheet music for that piece: From dave@skywaves.net Mon Jan 4 16:02:28 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:02:28 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> AFAIK, the maximum permitted for new construction is 2049'. The astronomical cost of such a structure would be out of reach for almost any station in today's television economy, though - and it doesn't look that is going to get a lot better anytime soon. So I'd guess, replacements aside, that all the 2000'+ towers in the US that will ever be built probably have been. There have been taller towers in Europe - one that was around 2,500', in Poland as I recall, but as Garrett so directly put it, that one fell down, too. I don't think there are any standing uniform guyed steel towers anywhere that are much higher than 2063'. When they get that big, all it takes is some ice, and maybe a breeze. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Garrett Wollman" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Subject: Re: North Dakota tower > > < > said: > >> I wonder - and should remember to ask some of the tower experts I know >> when next I see them - what the maximum practical height would be for a >> uniform cross-section guyed steel tower of the KVLY type. > > Don't be shocked if they tell you it's less than 2063'.... > > The Warsaw tower was 2121' and it failed. The KXJB tower was 2060' > and it failed. There's not much margin for error in these super-tall > guyed structures. > >> I assume the only thing at all magical about 2,063 feet is that it's >> the maximum the FAA will permit. > > Actually, the FAA won't even permit that tall, absent an "exceptional" > reason. I think "exceptional" as currently interpreted boils down to > "my old tower was 2060' and it just fell down". > > -GAWollman > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Jan 4 16:49:06 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:49:06 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air Message-ID: <20100104164906.567bhnbd9vs440s4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> I loved these two responses. :-) Hey, how did that meeting go the other night regarding the future of classical music on Boston radio? Does anyone have a report? -Doug Quoting raccoonradio@mail.com: > > Was going to make a joke about that--they could have been playing > (mime) Marcel > Marceau's > greatest hits! > How long were you listening? Now that 20th-Century music is no > longer verboten > (a little Deutsch lingo), > it's possible that WCRB was playing John Cage's 4'33". > > Here is the sheet music for that piece: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 4 19:08:45 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:08:45 -0500 Subject: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show Message-ID: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark> The Boston Globe reports that WFNX has dumped "The Sandbox" morning show, canning two of the show's hosts, Charlie Padgett & Ed Oliveira, while Henry Santoro & Dustin Fletcher Matthews remain at the station as part of a revamped lineup. 'FNX has also hired ex-WBCN jock Adam-12 for PM drive. All this in an effort to cut costs and boost ratings, says the article: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2010/01/no_more_sandbox_for_fnx.html Mark Watson From dave@skywaves.net Mon Jan 4 20:40:57 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:40:57 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> Message-ID: <37BEC08BBFEE4D05BAF4D03E45E8A7F4@dave> I just had a look at the current FAA Advisory Circular AC 70/7460-1K regarding tower lighting standards. They provide standards for structures of all types, including towers up to 2200'. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/policy/dtv/lighting.html sets out the presumption that structures over 2000' are jointly assumed by the FCC and the FAA to represent an inefficient use of airspace. I recall seeing 2049' as the maximum some time ago, and that would be consistent with the combination of a 2000' limit and rounding to the nearest 100'. -d From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 4 23:54:00 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:54:00 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> Message-ID: <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> Maybe I don't understand--easily possible; although I am an engineer, I am certainly not a structural engineer. But it seems to me that, as long as the ratio of height to cross-section of the entire tower as well as the ratio of the length to cross-sectional area of the individual structural members and guy cables were held constant, it appears to me that the tower would be just as strong as a shorter tower having comparable dimensional ratios. The taller tower would be much heavier than a shorter one with the same dimensional ratios (wouldn't the weight increase in proportion to the cube of the linear dimension?), so it would require a much sturdier foundation. Maybe the forces that would bring the taller tower down do not scale linerarly with the dimensional ratios, but it is not obvious to me why they wouldn't. So if you can explain, I would be appreciative. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: North Dakota tower > > I don't think there are any standing uniform guyed steel towers > anywhere that are much higher than 2063'. When they get that big, > all it takes is some ice, and maybe a breeze. > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 08:32:33 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:32:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: YouTube - Al Kaprlien's last forceast @ WZMY Message-ID: <382138.56782.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> For anyone who didn't catch it last Thursday. It includes part of his 25th anniversary tribute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViOghSbu-xQ From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 5 09:52:00 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:52:00 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com> <19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com> <19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: We were travelling through that area a few years ago (about the time of the bridge collapse in Minneapolis, in fact we had gone over that bridge not two days earlier. When we hit the Dakota's, we were in the middle of the wildest thunderstorm system I'd ever experiences. Strong gusty winds, hail, it looked like midnight at 3 in the afternoon. If our "sample" of the weather out there is typical I commend the tower engineers for designing such a sturdy structure. -Bob On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Maybe I don't understand--easily possible; although I am an engineer, > I am certainly not a structural engineer. But it seems to me that, as > long as the ratio of height to cross-section of the entire tower as > well as the ratio of the length to cross-sectional area of the > individual structural members and guy cables were held constant, it > appears to me that the tower would be just as strong as a shorter > tower having comparable dimensional ratios. The taller tower would be > much heavier than a shorter one with the same dimensional ratios > (wouldn't the weight increase in proportion to the cube of the linear > dimension?), so it would require a much sturdier foundation. Maybe > the forces that would bring the taller tower down do not scale > linerarly with the dimensional ratios, but it is not obvious to me why > they wouldn't. So if you can explain, I would be appreciative. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" > To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Scott Fybush" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: North Dakota tower > > > >> I don't think there are any standing uniform guyed steel towers >> anywhere that are much higher than 2063'. When they get that big, >> all it takes is some ice, and maybe a breeze. >> >> > From DanKelleher@clearchannel.com Tue Jan 5 11:54:16 2010 From: DanKelleher@clearchannel.com (Kelleher, Daniel) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:54:16 -0600 Subject: WTAG open house - Saturday January 16th - 10A / 4P Message-ID: Hello All, Resending the invitation to WTAG open house to make sure the word gets out. I've heard back from 27 people so it's shaping up to be a good crowd. A mix of hams, broadcasters (present and former) educators and hobbyists. The address is 402 Shrewsbury St. Holden, Ma. From I190 exit 2, west on Arrarat to end, right on Brattle, crossing Doyle, to Shrewsbury St. Right on Shrewsbury about 500 feet to site on left. The WTAG site in Holden will be open to any and all in the radio community, Saturday January 16th, 10 AM - 4 PM. This transmitter site was built in 1936 and the towers have been banging out five kilowatts on 580 ever since. Whatever WTAG documents, logs, equipment, photos and so forth I have inherited or came across, have been collected at the site. The materials are not well documented. Sorry I do not have it catalogued with dates or details. John Andrews, former Chief Engineer, agreed to attend. John is a fountain of information about the station and he does know details and dates. I noticed recent list interest in WTAG TV. The TV applications are all there, I have read them and it's a fascinating political story. In any case, you are welcome to eyeball it all. We'll even spark up the homebrew Tesla coil! Plan on some food and drink about lunch time. I'll cover sandwiches, drinks and coffee but I need some idea of how many. If you plan on attending please respond via email. A response is not required but might insure you get a sandwich. If you happen to be around and want to stop by, please do. Looking forward to seeing and meeting you next month. 73 Dan Dan Kelleher Chief Engineer -IT Director Clear Channel Radio Worcester WSRS WTAG 96 Stereo Lane Paxton, Mass. 01612 Main Phone 508 757 9696 Office Phone 508 471 2847 Cell Phone 774 364 0157 FCC First Class since 1971 PG-1-11697 KB1BB From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 5 14:43:36 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:43:36 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <20100104164906.567bhnbd9vs440s4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100104164906.567bhnbd9vs440s4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <8CC5C5681C22CC8-1028-F11@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net >To: lglavin@mail.com; raccoonradio@gmail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org; raccoonradio@mail.com >Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:49 pm >Subject: Re: WCRB dead air >I loved these two responses. :-) >Hey, how did that meeting go the other night regarding the future of classical music on Boston radio? Does anyone have a report? >-Doug It's TONIGHT (Tuesday) and since the weather is not only ok, but better than in Atlanta or Memphis, I'll be there. I wonder if they'll take questions from the audience. From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 5 14:52:38 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:52:38 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> Message-ID: <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Doherty >To: Garrett Wollman ; Scott Fybush >Cc: boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org >Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:02 pm >Subject: Re: North Dakota tower >AFAIK, the maximum permitted for new construction is 2049'. The astronomical cost of such a structure would be out of reach for almost any station in today's television economy, >though - and it doesn't look that is going to get a lot better anytime soon. So I'd guess, replacements aside, that all the 2000'+ towers in the US that will ever be built probably have >been. >There have been taller towers in Europe - one that was around 2,500', in Poland as I recall, but as Garrett so directly put it, that one fell down, too. >I don't think there are any standing uniform guyed steel towers anywhere that are much higher than 2063'. When they get that big, all it takes is some ice, and maybe a breeze. >-d Anyone who owns a copy of Scott's calendar for 2010 can observe that January's choice is the setup atop Mt. Mansfield, VT. Closer to the viewer are two concrete silos with antenna elements attached; the note says that the uniform-cross-section steel towers were pulled down later. Of course, I'd never expect to see such a structure in everyday use up to several hundred feet outside of Dubai, but as for TV and FM transmitters on mountaintops, will simulacra of what can now be seen on Mt. Mansfield replace the steel towers we have come to know and love? From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 5 16:01:29 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:01:29 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> lglavin@mail.com wrote: > Anyone who owns a copy of Scott's calendar for 2010 can observe that > January's choice is the setup atop Mt. Mansfield, VT. Closer to the > viewer are two concrete silos with antenna elements attached; the > note says that the uniform-cross-section steel towers were pulled > down later. Of course, I'd never expect to see such a structure in > everyday use up to several hundred feet outside of Dubai, but as for > TV and FM transmitters on mountaintops, will simulacra of what can > now be seen on Mt. Mansfield replace the steel towers we have come to > know and love? In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that those are not concrete silos up there on Mansfield. They're actually steel cylinders that surround conventional lattice towers, and they're there to pacify the environmentalists who would have preferred to see no towers there at all. Supposedly the shrouded towers are less visually obtrusive. I'm not sure I buy that line of reasoning, but if I had to get a new tower built on Mount Mansfield, I'd build whatever needed to be built, I suppose. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 5 16:18:17 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:18:17 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> <4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4B43AC99.2010405@ttlc.net> Scott Fybush wrote: > In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that those are not > concrete silos up there on Mansfield. They're actually steel cylinders > that surround conventional lattice towers, and they're there to pacify > the environmentalists who would have preferred to see no towers there > at all. Supposedly the shrouded towers are less visually obtrusive. > I'm not sure I buy that line of reasoning, but if I had to get a new > tower built on Mount Mansfield, I'd build whatever needed to be built, > I suppose. Perhaps environmentalists consider silos to be "more natural" than steel or aluminium lattice towers. I suspect that 85% of New England's silos were built before 85% of today's environmentalists were even born. From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 5 17:49:46 2010 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:49:46 -0500 Subject: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show In-Reply-To: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark> References: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark> Message-ID: That's too bad, they were one of the few "zoo-type" morning shows, that made me laugh whenever I listened. Oh well, that's radio! SS -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson [mailto:markwats@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:09 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show The Boston Globe reports that WFNX has dumped "The Sandbox" morning show, canning two of the show's hosts, Charlie Padgett & Ed Oliveira, while Henry Santoro & Dustin Fletcher Matthews remain at the station as part of a revamped lineup. 'FNX has also hired ex-WBCN jock Adam-12 for PM drive. All this in an effort to cut costs and boost ratings, says the article: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2010/01/no_more_sandbox_f or_fnx.html Mark Watson From dave@skywaves.net Tue Jan 5 19:42:36 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:42:36 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5660BAAED7F84316B00F8D0BA709EEE3@dave> Hi Dan- It does seem like if scaled everything proportionally it should work, but I suspect you would get to the point of diminishing returns at some point. You have the deadweight of the tower and antennas and such, and the very significant downward forces exerted as a vector result of the guy deadweights and tensions, and the downward vector result of the action of the wind working against the guys. The sum of those vector forces is not in proportion as you increase height, especially since the wind picks up dramatically with altitude. Icing tends to occur in strata in the atmosphere, as any instrument rated pilot knows. (Descent into warmer air is the usual remedy for a light plane, because if a light plane ices up, it generally cannot climb well; but if you can climb, you can often climb out of it into colder air, as well.) The taller the tower, the more opportunities it has to collect ice. Ice adds two problems: A significant increase in deadweight, and an increase in cross-section of the members. That adds, sometimes dramatically, to the weight and windload. And the likelihood is that some sections of the tower will be much icier that others, which breaks up any proportionality to the forces. When ice starts to fall off a big tower, it comes in big chunks, sometimes several hundred pounds at a time. As long as it hits the ground, no problem. But if it chances to nail a guy wire in a bad spot, or top slide down a guy wire to the attach point at the ground, that can spell the end of the whole structure. The higher the origination point, the greater the speed if it hits a guy wire near the ground. So there is greater risk of taller towers failing due to weather-related effects, and that has to be factored into the design out of proportion to the height of the tower. At some point, it seems to me that it all has to converge on a maximum practical height, regardless of budget, that varies quite a bit with the local climate. And, of course, the maximum economical height would likely be much lower. And as a practical matter, Garrett pointed out that every tower that has ever been built to a height significantly larger than 2063' has fallen down. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:54 PM To: "Dave Doherty" ; "Garrett Wollman" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: Subject: Re: North Dakota tower > > Maybe I don't understand--easily possible; although I am an engineer, > I am certainly not a structural engineer. But it seems to me that, as > long as the ratio of height to cross-section of the entire tower as > well as the ratio of the length to cross-sectional area of the > individual structural members and guy cables were held constant, it > appears to me that the tower would be just as strong as a shorter > tower having comparable dimensional ratios. The taller tower would be > much heavier than a shorter one with the same dimensional ratios > (wouldn't the weight increase in proportion to the cube of the linear > dimension?), so it would require a much sturdier foundation. Maybe > the forces that would bring the taller tower down do not scale > linerarly with the dimensional ratios, but it is not obvious to me why > they wouldn't. So if you can explain, I would be appreciative. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 5 20:20:12 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:20:12 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting Message-ID: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> I have just returned from the surprisingly-well-attended gathering at Boston's Old South Church to discuss the changes at WGBH-FM and WCRB. There were four primary commenters there: Chris Lydon, late of WBUR and WGBH-TV; Richard Dyer former music critic of the Boston Globe; Dave MacNeill, formerly of WCRB through several incarnations; and John Voci, now in management at the WGBH Educational Foundation. First point: boy, that Chris Lydon can talk and talk without reaching the point of what he had to say! The Globe's music critic commented that he grew up in small-town Texas and Oklahoma, yet via network radio, was able to listen to enormous amounts of classical music and opera...something that is absent from the media world inhabited by young people today. Dave MacNeill went through the history of classical music broadcasting, placing WBMS-AM on 1470...I thought it was on 1090, and ignoring the presence of WBCN from 1958 till 1968, I believe. John Voci had to toe the corporate line and when people pressed him about the costs associated with the Friday afternoon BSO broadcasts (the ostensible REASON for the confab in the first place), he reiterated a number in the tens of thousands. Later, it was revealed that the players of the BSO donate their services for ALL concerts that are broadcast. Seemingly, all this money goes for technical considerations. Every mention of the repetitive and unadventurous fare served up by WCRB for the last dozen years was met with applause from the multitude (which I reckon at close to 1,000 people, filling a large section of the sanctuary). Several rows of seats were set aside for members of the press, so stories may soon appear in The Globe or Chicopee Herald, and who knows, on "Beat the Press" Friday night. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 5 22:10:39 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:10:39 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19267.65327.215358.74530@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < section of the sanctuary). Several rows of seats were set aside for > members of the press, so stories may soon appear in The Globe or > Chicopee Herald, and who knows, on "Beat the Press" Friday night. I was sitting in the second row right behind the reporter from "Greater Boston". He said that they would do it either Wednesday or Friday. Near the very end, an audience member finally acknowledged the elephant in the room that nobody else dared mention: that FM broadcasting is in its final days as a music-distribution technology, and people were getting far to het up over the weaknesses of this or that FM signal when they should be concentrating on the health of the cultural institutions that produce the music they value. A number of people made comparisons to other countries, conveniently leaving out the the national classical stations in those countries receive (proportionally) enormous public subsidies. There was only minor bellyaching about the amount of Bill Kling's syndicated programming being aired on 99.5 -- much more bellyaching from people who "couldn't get" 99.5 in Dorchester, Jamaica Plain, and so on. Dave MacNeill made some interesting points, and strongly defended Mario Mazza's approach to programming the station, but he did leave out the fact that he was a part-owner of the station when it was sold (as for that matter was the BSO). -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 6 00:45:41 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:45:41 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B442385.11758.ADBE64@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Jan 2010 at 20:20, lglavin@mail.com wrote: > Dave MacNeill went through the history of classical music > broadcasting, placing WBMS-AM on 1470...I thought it was on 1090, > and ignoring the presence of WBCN from 1958 till 1968, I believe. Did he mention WXHR? Both WBCN and WXHR were really great classical stations. But in those days, the college stations also ran a lot of classical music programming as well. Did he mention that? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jan 6 00:52:39 2010 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:52:39 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> <1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B442527.6050701@gabrielmass.com> lglavin@mail.com wrote: > it's possible that WCRB was playing John Cage's 4'33". > > Here is the sheet music for that piece: > > > Heh! In a performance available on YouTube, you can actually get a look at the sheet music, and it's not blank. It shows a single measure containing a rest, with the duration of 4'33" indicated. And now, an encore of <<4'33">>: . . . . Pedantically, --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jan 6 01:15:55 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:15:55 -0500 Subject: WCRB dead air In-Reply-To: <4B442527.6050701@gabrielmass.com> References: <20100101061040.1BAE6CF095@server4.gabrielmass.com> <1fbbbced0912312340i3db23753i42b1efa8de7b2e@mail.gmail.com> <8CC59EC05D2EB7F-9D0-6F14@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> <4B442527.6050701@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19268.10907.689551.816704@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In a performance available on YouTube, you can actually get a look at > the sheet music, and it's not blank. It shows a single measure > containing a rest, with the duration of 4'33" indicated. And in fact, Cage's copyright extends only to that particular composition of four minutes and thirty-three seconds of silence, not to every silence of that length. (Although for some reason I was under the impression that it was originally presented as a sequence of rests of varying duration in standard musical notation. I'm not sure of the lost "original Woodstock manuscript" described in Wikipedia is what I think I remember.) -GAWollman From francini@mac.com Wed Jan 6 02:58:08 2010 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:58:08 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) In-Reply-To: <8CC5AEF7BDCFD97-143C-8443@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <8CC5AEF7BDCFD97-143C-8443@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <542A8526-901A-4E1C-B1F9-B0DD2709B86B@mac.com> > > *-- "We have transited the meridian and entered the afternoon incarnation of the broadcast". Sigh, wish Gene didn't enjoy living in San Fran so much; he'd be welcomed here! > > > When Gene Burns did a fill-in back here in the 10-2 some years back he joked about still having his "meridian" with him in a velvet-lined mahogany case, so that he would be able to take it out at noontime for the daily transit. j From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Jan 6 03:21:49 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:21:49 -0500 Subject: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show In-Reply-To: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark> References: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark> Message-ID: Cost cutting is only part of the reason. The new Arbitron PPM meter ratings measurement system is changing some of the rules about programming. One trend that's emerging is "talky" morning shows on music stations tend not to do well with the meter. Two morning shows in San Diego, highly rated programs in the diary, were recently let go for cheaper, music intensive alternatives. A Detroit classic rocker let go it's personality based morning show this week. It also happened in Chicago with Steve Dahl last year. There are exceptions of course, Matty on Kiss being one of them, but it's something to watch. It's no surprise that lately Matty is playing a couple more songs an hour than he used to. WFNX also dropped Lovelines, a syndicated two hour late night talk show that focused on sexual issues, in favor of music programming. It seems that talk programming on music stations just doesn't work with the new ratings methodology. Saving a few bucks in the process doesn't hurt either... -Dave Tomm On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Globe reports that WFNX has dumped "The Sandbox" morning > show, canning two of the show's hosts, Charlie Padgett & Ed > Oliveira, while Henry Santoro & Dustin Fletcher Matthews remain at > the station as part of a revamped lineup. 'FNX has also hired ex- > WBCN jock Adam-12 for PM drive. All this in an effort to cut costs > and boost ratings, says the article: > > http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2010/01/no_more_sandbox_for_fnx.html > > Mark Watson > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 6 07:02:00 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:02:00 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044> The Boston station that was on 1470 pre-NARBA (3/31/1941) was WMEX. Who knows what WMEX was airing in those days? (Donna?) I don't think the station had a consistent format until the Richmonds bought it (out of bankruptcy) and flipped it to Top 40 in 1957. Classical could have been part of the mix--along with brokered ethnic and even some jazz (Norm Nathan was an announcer there for a while--his first job at a station licensed to Boston). Immediately preceding the Richmonds, a substantial number of hours per day were devoted to the Theater of Beautiful Music, which was not classical, although some people might have called it light classical. Anyhow, AFAIK, WBMS didn't arrive until shortly after World War II. By then, WMEX had been on 1510 for at least four years. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Old South Church Meeting Dave MacNeill went through the history of classical music broadcasting, placing WBMS-AM on 1470...I thought it was on 1090 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 6 12:51:36 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:02 AM 1/6/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The Boston station that was on 1470 pre-NARBA (3/31/1941) was WMEX. >Who knows what WMEX was airing in those days? (Donna?) But of course. WMEX was actually the result of the Pot? Brothers (William, the more disreputable of the two, and Al-- by all accounts a pretty good guy with a long history as a radio engineer) pulling a fast one on the FCC in 1934. The previous administration, the FRC (Federal Radio Commission) had taken WLOE off the air-- that was the first station of the Pot?s, run mostly by Bill. The FRC ruled that there were numerous financial irregularities, and after a long battle, WLOE finally left the air in 1933. But nobody was gonna keep Bill Pot? off the air-- he found some backers, put their names on the application, and suddenly in October 1934, the new WMEX, owned by the "Northern Corporation", appeared. It was sometimes in the Hotel Manger (long gone) in the North Station area, and then sometime in the late 30s, moved to Brookline Avenue. The format was what you would expect of a small 1930s or 1940s station-- a little bit of everything, from big bands, to shopping shows, to religion, to jazz to whatever else somebody wanted to do. Don Kent got his start there, as did Nat Hentoff. Bill Pot? was famous for not paying people-- he "allowed them" to work there and get experience... for free of course. And yes, WMEX was moved to 1510 after NARBA moved all kinds of stations-- WMEX moved on 29 March 1941. Dan wrote-- > I don't think >the station had a consistent format until the Richmonds bought it (out >of bankruptcy) and flipped it to Top 40 in 1957. True indeed. The Richmond Brothers did buy it in mid 1957 and gradually shifted it to the top-40 format. Mac had been involved in an advertising agency in Philly, if I recall correctly, and he also owned WPGC in Washington DC. (When top 40 ruled, two of the big ones in the DC area were WPGC, and Baltimore's WCAO-- they were jokingly referred to as "The Pig" and "The Cow." >Dan also wrote-- >Anyhow, AFAIK, WBMS didn't arrive until shortly after World War II. By >then, WMEX had been on 1510 for at least four years. Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!! Dan's got the trifecta. WBMS was licensed in 1946, by the Templetone Corporation, a radio manufacturer; at one point, I believe Templetone also operated an FM in Boston very briefly, because the company sold FM radios. But by 1948, Templetone was having financial woes, and WBMS was sold to the Friendly Group. It went dark. and then, I believe it changed ownership yet again. It was at that point, circa 1948, when it did a classical format for a while, then gave it up in April 1950, but then went back to it. WBMS also changed very very briefly in 1951 to the best call letters for a top 40-- although top 40 had not yet been invented-- WHEE. WBMS got back its original calls around 1952 and if I recall, that is when they went back to classical. At one point, they used the slogan "WBMS-- world's best music station." From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 13:24:34 2010 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:24:34 -0500 Subject: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show In-Reply-To: References: <84E368A3813947DB9DFBAB0C5FBB3B68@Mark>, Message-ID: Will this possibly effect Loren & Wally at some point? And speaking of whom, I don't recall them being mentioned on the top radio personalities list.....I think they are they are worthy of mention. Paul Sandwich > From: nostaticatall@charter.net > To: markwats@comcast.net > Subject: Re: WFNX Dumps "Sandbox" Morning Show > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:21:49 -0500 > CC: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > Cost cutting is only part of the reason. The new Arbitron PPM meter > ratings measurement system is changing some of the rules about > programming. One trend that's emerging is "talky" morning shows on > music stations tend not to do well with the meter. Two morning shows > in San Diego, highly rated programs in the diary, were recently let go > for cheaper, music intensive alternatives. A Detroit classic rocker > let go it's personality based morning show this week. It also > happened in Chicago with Steve Dahl last year. There are exceptions > of course, Matty on Kiss being one of them, but it's something to > watch. It's no surprise that lately Matty is playing a couple more > songs an hour than he used to. > > WFNX also dropped Lovelines, a syndicated two hour late night talk > show that focused on sexual issues, in favor of music programming. It > seems that talk programming on music stations just doesn't work with > the new ratings methodology. Saving a few bucks in the process > doesn't hurt either... > > -Dave Tomm > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > > The Boston Globe reports that WFNX has dumped "The Sandbox" morning > > show, canning two of the show's hosts, Charlie Padgett & Ed > > Oliveira, while Henry Santoro & Dustin Fletcher Matthews remain at > > the station as part of a revamped lineup. 'FNX has also hired ex- > > WBCN jock Adam-12 for PM drive. All this in an effort to cut costs > > and boost ratings, says the article: > > > > http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/more_names/blog/2010/01/no_more_sandbox_for_fnx.html > > > > Mark Watson > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Jan 6 13:26:57 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:26:57 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044> <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: Mentioning WMEX brings to mind a question I've had for a while. I grew up in East Milton in the shadow of then-WEZE. I remember their audio getting rectified on to our phone line, as well as into any cheaply built piece of electronics equipment, and remember joking, after the late 70's format switch, about how the "voice of God" was everywhere. WMEX was just down the road. I recall the decrepit nature of the transmitter building, wedged in between W. Squantum street and the Neponset river salt marsh. There were sumac trees and weeds growing all around the building. I know that they moved the 1510 transmitter to Waltham in 1981, but I wonder when the old towers and transmitter building were finally torn down. Does anyone remember? Any photos of the old transmitter building and towers? I believe you can still see the concrete tower bases in the marsh if you look closely enough. -Bob On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 07:02 AM 1/6/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >> The Boston station that was on 1470 pre-NARBA (3/31/1941) was WMEX. >> Who knows what WMEX was airing in those days? (Donna?) > > But of course. ?WMEX was actually the result of the Pot? Brothers (William, > the more disreputable of the two, and Al-- by all accounts a pretty good guy > with a long history as a radio engineer) pulling a fast one on the FCC in > 1934. ?The previous administration, the FRC (Federal Radio Commission) had > taken WLOE off the air-- that was the first station of the Pot?s, run mostly > by Bill. ?The FRC ruled that there were numerous financial irregularities, > and after a long battle, WLOE finally left the air in 1933. ?But nobody was > gonna keep Bill Pot? off the air-- he found some backers, put their names on > the application, and suddenly in October 1934, the new WMEX, owned by the > "Northern Corporation", appeared. ?It was sometimes in the Hotel Manger > (long gone) in the North Station area, and then sometime in the late 30s, > moved to Brookline Avenue. ?The format was what you would expect of a small > 1930s or 1940s station-- a little bit of everything, from big bands, to > shopping shows, to religion, to jazz to whatever else somebody wanted to do. > ?Don Kent got his start there, as did Nat Hentoff. ?Bill Pot? was famous for > not paying people-- he "allowed them" to work there and get experience... > for free of course. And yes, WMEX was moved to 1510 after NARBA moved all > kinds of stations-- WMEX moved on 29 March 1941. > > Dan wrote-- >> >> ?I don't think >> the station had a consistent format until the Richmonds bought it (out >> of bankruptcy) and flipped it to Top 40 in 1957. > > True indeed. ?The Richmond Brothers did buy it in mid 1957 and gradually > shifted it to the top-40 format. ?Mac had been involved in an advertising > agency in Philly, if I recall correctly, and he also owned WPGC in > Washington DC. ?(When top 40 ruled, two of the big ones in the DC area were > WPGC, and Baltimore's WCAO-- they were jokingly referred to as "The Pig" and > "The Cow." > >> Dan also wrote-- >> Anyhow, AFAIK, WBMS didn't arrive until shortly after World War II. By >> then, WMEX had been on 1510 for at least four years. > > Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!! ?Dan's got the trifecta. ?WBMS was > licensed in 1946, by the Templetone Corporation, a radio manufacturer; at > one point, I believe Templetone also operated an FM in Boston very briefly, > because the company sold FM radios. ?But by 1948, Templetone was having > financial woes, and WBMS was sold to the Friendly Group. ?It went dark. and > then, I believe it changed ownership yet again. ?It was at that point, circa > 1948, when it did a classical format for a while, then gave it up in April > 1950, but then went back to it. WBMS also changed very very briefly in 1951 > to the best call letters for a top 40-- although top 40 had not yet been > invented-- WHEE. ?WBMS got back its original calls around 1952 and if I > recall, that is when they went back to classical. At one point, they used > the slogan "WBMS-- world's best music station." > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 6 13:54:31 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:54:31 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com> <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044> <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <20100106185438.E062D44C019@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:26 PM 1/6/2010, Bob DeMattia wrote: >I know that they moved the 1510 transmitter to Waltham in 1981, but I wonder >when the old towers and transmitter building were finally torn down. To this day, if you look carefully at the marsh next to the big apartment building that was built on the site, you can still see a few pieces of the concrete that anchored the guy wires of the WMEX transmitter. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 6 15:19:14 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com><80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044><20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <20100106185438.E062D44C019@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <816442EA7B6D4CB293AA9BEBD83BC2F0@SatU205S5044> I think the towers must have come down before the building went away. An assiduous search of newspaper archives would probably reveal when the building went away because, IIRC, it was destroyed in a rather spectacular fire. Had it not been, I suspect it would eventually have been put to some other use. Take away the towers, and the building could have served any number of purposes. I'm told that there were living quarters on the second floor. I've also been told that the living quarters had not been used as anybody's home for many years before the fire. Instead, they reportedly became a venue for frequent and rather spectacular parties. If I read correctly between the lines of those reports, the place may have ceased to be fit for human habitation before it neared the end of its life. I suppose the fire might have broken out when a party grew out of control. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob DeMattia" Cc: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Old South Church Meeting > At 01:26 PM 1/6/2010, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >>I know that they moved the 1510 transmitter to Waltham in 1981, but >>I wonder >>when the old towers and transmitter building were finally torn down. > > To this day, if you look carefully at the marsh next to the big > apartment building that was built on the site, you can still see a > few pieces of the concrete that anchored the guy wires of the WMEX > transmitter. From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 6 15:22:20 2010 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:22:20 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com>, <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044>, <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B44F0FC.18665.37D863@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Jan 2010 Donna Halper wrote: > WBMS got back its original calls around 1952 and if I recall, that > is when they went back to classical. At one point, they used the > slogan "WBMS-- world's best music station." When my family moved back to the Boston area in 1957, I began to survey the (AM) radio dial to see what was there and heard WBMS. Not long after, I got to the same dial position and found WILD. I was confused. I had never heard of time-sharing, but that was one possibility that I thought about. Eventually I figured out that the station had changed call letters. Some months later, one of my teachers in 7th grade, during a diatribe about how awful rock & roll music was, mentioned his favorite station, WBMS, which he said had beautiful music, and no commercials. I don't know how they managed that (though Bob Bittner does nowadays), or if it was even true. I wondered where WBMS was now, since the WBMS that I knew of had become WILD. I asked him, and he wasn't sure whether it was an AM or FM station. In retrospect, I think that despite his diatribe, he hadn't actually listened to WBMS, as wonderful as he thought it was, for a very long time, and didn't even know that it was no more. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 6 16:11:52 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:11:52 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com>, <80FB7A9029F74FAD868772D83EE9D65A@SatU205S5044>, <20100106175144.A905016D06D@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4B44F0FC.18665.37D863@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0F7F20D39A334D7D8758373D7E20D5DC@SatU205S5044> The change in call sign and format was accompanied by one of the most ingeneous promotional campaigns in the history of Boston radio. IIRC, the format flip occurred at sign on on a Monday morning. On the preceding Saturday and Sunday, some of the major Boston stations, including, IIRC, WBZ, WNAC, and WHDH, carried saturation spots announcing--in a _very_ sultry female voice (whispering) "Every one in old Boston is going wildwildwildwildwildwildwildwildwildwild." There was no sponsor ID, no mention of a frequency, and no mention that WILD was to be a radio station. Of course, if there had been such a mention, the stations that ran the spots would not have accepted them. The new owners, Bartell Media, which owned successful Top 40 stations in several other markets including Milwaukee and San Diego, had obviously purchased the spots under an assumed name. I don't know the name of the woman who voiced the spots but she did then appear on WILD, doing weather and traffic, I believe. The Top 40 format died rather quickly and the station was sold or LMAed to someone named Nelson Noble, who brought in Bill Marlowe, who played jazz/big-band music in AM drive, Stan Richards (ex-WORL personality), who did a fairly standard MOR show in middays, and Joe Smith (ex-WVDA personality, and later a major record-industry mogul), who did Top-40 in PM drive. In the summer, when the station was on as late as 8:15PM, I believe that Ken Malden did early evenings and played much the same kind of music as Marlowe played in AM drive. The station sounded great, but a 1-kW daytimer that did three kinds of pop music in different dayparts had a lot going against it (even if it was right between WBZ and WCOP on the AM dial). After not too long, Noble declared bankruptcy and ISTR reading something about his attempting suicide--but I could be wrong about that. I think WILD went dark for a while, but I don't recall who bought it out of bankruptcy or what format it had when it returned to the air. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; ; "Laurence Glavin" ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Old South Church Meeting > > When my family moved back to the Boston area in 1957, I began to > survey the (AM) radio dial to see what was there and heard WBMS. > Not > long after, I got to the same dial position and found WILD. I was > confused. I had never heard of time-sharing, but that was one > possibility that I thought about. Eventually I figured out that the > station had changed call letters. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 6 19:25:21 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:21 -0500 Subject: WGBH Greater Boston covers the meeting, "classical changes" Message-ID: <8CC5D4708654922-E3C-14C8@web-mmc-d18.sysops.aol.com> http://www.wgbh.org/greater_boston/index.cfm Look for "classical changes" "Boos and hisses; problems, complaints, and some support" From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jan 6 22:10:33 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:10:33 -0500 Subject: WGBH Greater Boston covers the meeting, "classical changes" In-Reply-To: <8CC5D4708654922-E3C-14C8@web-mmc-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5D4708654922-E3C-14C8@web-mmc-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19269.20649.396143.811877@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < http://www.wgbh.org/greater_boston/index.cfm > Look for "classical changes" > "Boos and hisses; problems, complaints, and some support" One misstatement in the report was the claim (also made by Mr. Voci at the forum last night) that it is not possible to improve WCRB's signal. This is of course not true; it would simply involve spending a lot of money (I guesstimated $20 million). That would get them a full class-B from the Pru, but would require moving or changing five allotments. (Two of the stations involved are owned by companies that are currently bankrupt.) Having said that, if I were WGBH management, I would not consider it a prudent investment -- it would be cheaper to simply give an HD tuner to every complainer in the hall. I asked Voci after the event about changing the programming source on W242AA. He gave some smokescreen about FCC rules -- which is hogwash; from an FCC perspective it does not matter whether 96.3 relays 89.7 or 89.7-HD2 -- but admitted that they were considering it. That would solve the problem with the rich people on Beacon Hill -- like the "leader of a major cultural institution" -- who are unable to get 99.5. (Unlike some of the complainers, I actually find it believable that there would be people on the south side of Beacon Hill who couldn't get 99.5, given the unfavorable topography and the front-end overload from the seven stations on the Pru.) -GAWollman From dave@skywaves.net Wed Jan 6 22:11:52 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:11:52 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <39FC14A0816F41839FAD23F762F0F871@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1CC7AE7F3B1C462890F7CBF54ED299CD@dave> Hi Dan- Here's a link to the Wiki on the Poland tower that for about 17 years stood as the tallest structure on Earth at 2120.67'. The tower failed during a maintenance event in 1991, and was never replaced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast Upon its failure, the 2063' Fargo tower regained the prominence it had held from 1963 to 1974. -d From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 7 00:31:41 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:31:41 -0500 Subject: Old South Church Meeting In-Reply-To: <0F7F20D39A334D7D8758373D7E20D5DC@SatU205S5044> References: <8CC5C85879F38B4-BFC-1870@web-mmc-m02.sysops.aol.com>, <0F7F20D39A334D7D8758373D7E20D5DC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4B4571BD.17143.7FA781@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Jan 2010 at 16:11, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The change in call sign and format was accompanied by one of the most > ingeneous promotional campaigns in the history of Boston radio. IIRC, > the format flip occurred at sign on on a Monday morning. On the > preceding Saturday and Sunday, some of the major Boston stations, > including, IIRC, WBZ, WNAC, and WHDH, carried saturation spots > announcing--in a _very_ sultry female voice (whispering) "Every one in > old Boston is going wildwildwildwildwildwildwildwildwildwild." There > was no sponsor ID, no mention of a frequency, and no mention that WILD > was to be a radio station. Of course, if there had been such a > mention, the stations that ran the spots would not have accepted them. Interesting. I was listening to radio at the time, but I don't remember hearing those ads. Maybe because I was mostly listening to WCOP at that time. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 7 07:37:32 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:37:32 -0500 Subject: WGBH Greater Boston covers the meeting, "classical changes" References: <8CC5D4708654922-E3C-14C8@web-mmc-d18.sysops.aol.com> <19269.20649.396143.811877@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: One of those stations would be WPLM-FM. For any proposal to be acceptable to Ms Campbell, WPLM's coverage of Boston, Providence, and Cape Cod would have to be maintained. Although WPLM is a full B (that is, not a B1), it does not have full B facilities because its HAAT is only 430' (equivalent to ~38 kW @ 492' AAT) and it is severely short-spaced to at least one co-channel station (WPLR New Haven). As you know, Ms Campbell has repeatedly rejected very large offers to buy WPLM-FM. Unless her finnancial situation has radically deteriorated, you can expect that she would reject out-of-hand any proposal that would not at least maintain WPLM's existing coverage. Of course, if the FCC were to waive its rules to permit a move of WCRB that would protect WPLM's actual facilities (as opposed to protecting a station sited at WPLM's location but having an HAAT 62' higher than WPLM's), WCRB could improve its signal in Boston proper and parts of the South Shore without even having to change in its CoL. In this scenario, which would fully protect WPLM's existing contours, WCRB would move to the WMKK site (where is it, Saugus?), where it could probably diplex right from WMKK's antenna. However, everyone I've asked about the possibility of such a rule change or waiver has told me to fuhgeddaboudit. So. what would become of WPLM under your proposal? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:10 PM Subject: WGBH Greater Boston covers the meeting, "classical changes" > < >> http://www.wgbh.org/greater_boston/index.cfm > >> Look for "classical changes" > >> "Boos and hisses; problems, complaints, and some support" > > One misstatement in the report was the claim (also made by Mr. Voci > at > the forum last night) that it is not possible to improve WCRB's > signal. This is of course not true; it would simply involve > spending > a lot of money (I guesstimated $20 million). That would get them a > full class-B from the Pru, but would require moving or changing five > allotments. (Two of the stations involved are owned by companies > that > are currently bankrupt.) Having said that, if I were WGBH > management, > I would not consider it a prudent investment -- it would be cheaper > to > simply give an HD tuner to every complainer in the hall. > > I asked Voci after the event about changing the programming source > on > W242AA. He gave some smokescreen about FCC rules -- which is > hogwash; > from an FCC perspective it does not matter whether 96.3 relays 89.7 > or > 89.7-HD2 -- but admitted that they were considering it. That would > solve the problem with the rich people on Beacon Hill -- like the > "leader of a major cultural institution" -- who are unable to get > 99.5. (Unlike some of the complainers, I actually find it > believable > that there would be people on the south side of Beacon Hill who > couldn't get 99.5, given the unfavorable topography and the > front-end > overload from the seven stations on the Pru.) > > -GAWollman > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 11:02:41 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Andy Gresh back in Boston Message-ID: <575418.5833.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I knew a little about this earlier this week, but here's the story from the Herald. Gresh will be filling in and hanging around the Sports Hub and CSNNE. http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100107radio_gig_and_a_special_lady_lure_andy_gresh_back_to_hub/ From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 11:06:29 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:06:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Doug Meehan axed from WFXT Message-ID: <603079.61605.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Another sign of the times. It was a matter of time when they took him out of the chopper. You got to wonder if VB is next. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20100107fox_25_chops_helicopter_reporter_todd_english_stars_in_reality_tv_pilot/srvc=home&position=4 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Jan 7 13:05:36 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:05:36 -0600 Subject: I guess holiday music works Message-ID: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> Looking at the December radio ratings and I am guessing we will be hearing Christmas music next August as WODS jumped to #2 and WR0R to #5. Meanwhile at the NB Building, Jason and Julie must be in shock as EEI dropped to #13 and BZ-FM is at #14. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 7 17:53:22 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:53:22 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:05 PM 1/7/2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Looking at the December radio ratings and I am guessing we will be >hearing Christmas music next August as WODS jumped to #2 and WR0R to >#5. Doesn't shock me. More than 92% of Massachusetts identifies as Christian, so that's a lot of potential listeners, plus for many people, the music is a major part of the holiday season, even for those who are not specifically religious. They identify it with gifts, and family and memories of childhood, and stuff like that. Okay fine, it drives some of us crazy, but I understand it's very important to others, and when I consulted in markets that were overwhelmingly Christian, such as in the deep south, I recommended doing that too. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 7 23:38:21 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:38:21 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.co m>, <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B46B6BD.26276.3C415A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Jan 2010 at 17:53, Donna Halper wrote: > Doesn't shock me. More than 92% of Massachusetts identifies as > Christian, so that's a lot of potential listeners, plus for many > people, the music is a major part of the holiday season, even for > those who are not specifically religious. They identify it with > gifts, and family and memories of childhood, and stuff like that. > Okay fine, it drives some of us crazy, but I understand it's very > important to others, and when I consulted in markets that were > overwhelmingly Christian, such as in the deep south, I recommended > doing that too. I'm not Christian, and I've always liked Christmas music. I don't seek it out these days, but back in high school I did during the season. For that matter, I was once surprised to hear a Chassidic rabbi tell me that he liked Christmas carols. So it's not just Christians. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jan 8 00:00:40 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:00:40 -0500 Subject: Doug Meehan axed from WFXT In-Reply-To: <603079.61605.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <603079.61605.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One can only hope. VB and Meehan are obnoxious. One down, one to go. Then the Fox Morning News would actually be watchable... -D On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Another sign of the times. It was a matter of time when they took > him out of the chopper. You got to wonder if VB is next. > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20100107fox_25_chops_helicopter_reporter_todd_english_stars_in_reality_tv_pilot/srvc=home&position=4 > From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 8 00:00:52 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:00:52 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <4B46B6BD.26276.3C415A@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.co m>, <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4B46B6BD.26276.3C415A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4B46BC04.6000506@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > For that matter, I was once surprised to hear a Chassidic rabbi tell > me that he liked Christmas carols. So it's not just Christians. Christmas or Holiday Music as it is represented today during the Christmas season on radio has more to do with accepted cultural or seasonal traditions and really has little or nothing to do with the traditional Christmas/Christian message or how Christians may celebrate the season. And even as a Christian that's okay with me that it's out there and I'd be just as happy if it weren't. Bill O'Neill From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Jan 7 23:57:52 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:57:52 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: It seems to be a trend that's happening in a lot of the PPM markets around the country. The "Christmas Station" spikes in the ratings, often going to number one. It doesn't help in the November ratings period, so I don't think we'll be hearing Sounds of the Season in the summertime. With the new PPM system, instead of four three month "books" or monthly "trends" there are 12 monthly "books." There's no real advantage to starting much before mid-November. -Dave Tomm On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 01:05 PM 1/7/2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Looking at the December radio ratings and I am guessing we will be >> hearing Christmas music next August as WODS jumped to #2 and WR0R to >> #5. > > Doesn't shock me. More than 92% of Massachusetts identifies as > Christian, so that's a lot of potential listeners, plus for many > people, the music is a major part of the holiday season, even for > those who are not specifically religious. They identify it with > gifts, and family and memories of childhood, and stuff like that. > Okay fine, it drives some of us crazy, but I understand it's very > important to others, and when I consulted in markets that were > overwhelmingly Christian, such as in the deep south, I recommended > doing that too. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Jan 8 08:41:15 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:41:15 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <4B46BC04.6000506@gmail.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4B46B6BD.26276.3C415A@joe.attorneyross.com> <4B46BC04.6000506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be351001080541l61c5225fv9ce11848829fdf94@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Christmas or Holiday Music as it is represented today during the >> Christmas season on radio has more to do with accepted cultural or seasonal >> traditions and really has little or nothing to do with the traditional >> Christmas/Christian message or how Christians may celebrate the season. > > Indeed. Compare how often you hear "Sleigh Ride", "Jingle Bell Rock" or the ever-popular "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" vs "O Little Town Of Bethlehem". I've never quite understood how "Frosty The Snowman" got to be considered a Christmas song in the first place. From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jan 8 10:05:45 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works Message-ID: <8CC5E8B300AE084-5D14-1E5A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> What bugs me about Christmas music formatting is how they kill it off so quickly the day after Christmas. I'm not fully "in the mood" until about the second week in December so I'm not even listening for the first two or three weeks that WODS, WROR, et al. are playing the Yule tunes. But by mid-December I'm into it. As my company's shutdown is Christmas through New Year's, our family-and-friends visiting and celebrating is spread out over that entire period and sometimes even post New Year's. I'm a whole lot more interested in having Christmas music in the background at parties and in the car on the 26th and 27th of December than on the 26th or 27th of November, but good luck finding any. CD's and iPod's have to come to the rescue. Would it hurt the stations to run one holiday tune every fifth or sixth song for two or three days after Christmas, as I seem to recall Top 40 stations like WMEX and WBZ doing in the mid '60s ? Is it nowadays all about "goosing" shopping, something the Thanksgiving (and even earlier) start-ups would suggest ? I do enjoy the music for a few weeks even though the emotions can mix between joyful recollection of one's own childhood and the less joyful realization (for many of us in the 55+ age group) that half, or more than half, of the people in those recollections are no longer with us. One thing that you can say about Christmas music is that it seems to be the only way any music before the Beatles era (pre-1964) gets on WODS. It is a joy to hear the smooth voice of Nat King Cole on the radio at least for one month. Of course on Dec. 26 Boston radio turns into a pumpkin again and those who like big-bands, pre-rock standards, and '50s / early '60s rock 'n' roll have to resort to "rim shot" stations such as WCAP-980 and WNBP-1450 or see what's offered on the Internet. Mostly I rely on my own CD and MP3 file collections. Thank goodness for Collectors' Choice Music, Yestermusic, Time-Life, and some of the other online stores out there. Radio-wise one would never know that the baby boomer and older generations comprise a significant percentage of the population or have any money to spend ... except maybe at Christmas. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Jan 8 10:16:10 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:16:10 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <8CC5E8B300AE084-5D14-1E5A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5E8B300AE084-5D14-1E5A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Please don't leave out Bob's WJIB 740! I can hear that little transmitter of his almost 20 miles out in my car. -Bob On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:05 AM, wrote: > What bugs me about Christmas music formatting is how they kill it off so > quickly the day after Christmas. ?I'm not fully "in the mood" until about > the second week in December so I'm not even listening for the first two or > three weeks that WODS, WROR, et al. are playing the Yule tunes. ?But by > mid-December I'm into it. ?As my company's shutdown is Christmas through New > Year's, our family-and-friends visiting and celebrating is spread out over > that entire period and sometimes even post New Year's. ?I'm a whole lot more > interested in having Christmas music in the background at parties and in the > car on the 26th and 27th of December than on the 26th or 27th of November, > but good luck finding any. ?CD's and iPod's have to come to the rescue. > ?Would it hurt the stations to run one holiday tune every fifth or sixth > song for two or three days after Christmas, as I seem to recall Top 40 > stations like WMEX and WBZ doing in the mid '60s ? ?Is it nowadays all about > "goosing" shopping, something the Thanksgiving (and even earlier) start-ups > would suggest ? > > I do enjoy the music for a few weeks even though the emotions can mix > between joyful recollection of one's own childhood and the less joyful > realization (for many of us in the 55+ age group) that half, or more than > half, of the people in those recollections are no longer with us. > > One thing that you can say about Christmas music is that it seems to be the > only way any music before the Beatles era (pre-1964) gets on WODS. ?It is a > joy to hear the smooth voice of Nat King Cole on the radio at least for one > month. ?Of course on Dec. 26 Boston radio turns into a pumpkin again and > those who like big-bands, pre-rock standards, and '50s / early '60s rock 'n' > roll have to resort to "rim shot" stations such as WCAP-980 and WNBP-1450 or > see what's offered on the Internet. ?Mostly I rely on my own CD and MP3 file > collections. ?Thank goodness for Collectors' Choice Music, Yestermusic, > Time-Life, and some of the other online stores out there. ?Radio-wise one > would never know that the baby boomer and older generations comprise a > significant percentage of the population or have any money to spend ... > except maybe at Christmas. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Jan 8 10:42:15 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:42:15 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5E8B300AE084-5D14-1E5A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <313818B837F945339CC2CF7A306A07E1@fs.uml.edu> Your post made me think about the former WHEB 750 in Portsmouth NH. Why did they just go off the air instead of being sold? They had a good signal, and although they were a daytimer, they were allowed to stay on the air at full power until sunset in Atlanta (WSB). I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would have blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. I used to be able to hear WHEB in my apartment in Back Bay after the 740 had signed off at sunset. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob DeMattia Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:16 AM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works Please don't leave out Bob's WJIB 740! I can hear that little transmitter of his almost 20 miles out in my car. -Bob From sid@wrko.com Fri Jan 8 06:52:20 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:52:20 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> <20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC552D92E1B5@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "With the new PPM system, instead of four three month "books" or monthly "trends" there are 12 monthly "books." Actually, there are 13 monthly PPM rating periods of four weeks each. The 13th period is called Holiday and encompasses most of December. The full PPM schedule of rating period dates and data delivery dates is available at http://www.arbitron.com/downloads/ppm_delivery_schedule.pdf . Boston is in the fifth column from the right, and Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket (which moves to PPM measurement in late summer) is in the second column from the right. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jan 8 10:59:37 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:59:37 -0500 Subject: WJIB Message-ID: <8CC5E92B6BAB8EC-76EC-39DE@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> Right you are. Unfortunately by sunset, even as close to the city as 128 in the Burlington-Woburn stretch, the Toronto ON and Long Island NY stations are starting to muck with the signal and by dark, with the 5 watt reduced power, usable WJIB pretty much ends on Route 2 west at the Arlington-Lexington line and 93 north somewhere around Stoneham. And at this time of year it's dark a lot more of the day than it's light. WJIB's day signal, however, is indeed commendable for only 250 watts and I heard it (as WCAS in the Donna-as-DJ days) from the southwestern end of Nova Scotia around Clarke's Harbour and Tusket. Too bad it can't go to 750, a channel with far less co-channel interference since Portsmouth, NH vacated it ages ago. I guess Leicester on 760 kills that idea. Yes, Bob Bittner is to be commended for what he does on WJIB and on Maine's WJTO (an actually-better signal in some Mass. coastal areas). I think there should be a little more 'ancient' country / folk / blues / bluegrass, more hot '50s jazz a la Monk-Mingus-Coltrane-Parker-Davis, and more '50s rock / R&B in the line-up but that's just my opinion and I don't see him taking out some of the Mantovani and Melachrino Strings for "Sixty Minute Man" and "Work With Me Annie" anytime soon. I guess WATD-95.9 should get a mention too. Mark Connelly << Please don't leave out Bob's WJIB 740! I can hear that little transmitter of his almost 20 miles out in my car. -Bob >> From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 8 11:32:26 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:32:26 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <313818B837F945339CC2CF7A306A07E1@fs.uml.edu> References: <8CC5E8B300AE084-5D14-1E5A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> <313818B837F945339CC2CF7A306A07E1@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <8CC5E974C880D75-17DC-5E8@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> I remember in Nahant I could pick up WHEB, with a little splatter from what was then WCAS. I'd tune in on Sat. mornings for American Top 40. (mid 70s) >>I used to be able to hear WHEB in my apartment in Back Bay after the 740 had signed off at sunset. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 8 16:40:51 2010 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:40:51 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com><20100107225332.83C435C0165@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><4B46B6BD.26276.3C415A@joe.attorneyross.com><4B46BC04.6000506@gmail.com> <9ff2be351001080541l61c5225fv9ce11848829fdf94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca90ab$40bb3b20$28814c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: SteveOrdinetz To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > > Christmas or Holiday Music as it is represented today during the > >> Christmas season on radio has more to do with accepted cultural or seasonal > >> traditions and really has little or nothing to do with the traditional > >> Christmas/Christian message or how Christians may celebrate the season. > > > > > Indeed. Compare how often you hear "Sleigh Ride", "Jingle Bell Rock" or the > ever-popular "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" vs "O Little Town Of > Bethlehem". > I've never quite understood how "Frosty The Snowman" got to be considered a > Christmas song in the first place. > Or "Let It Snow," "Baby, It's Cold Outside," "Winter Wonderland" or any of those frozen precipitation songs. The only thing remotely religious about "Winter Wonderland" is Parson Brown -- and he isn't even in town! Howard From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Jan 8 19:44:16 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:44:16 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201ca90c4$df7b9b10$9e72d130$@net> > Meanwhile at the NB Building, Jason and Julie must be in shock as EEI > dropped to #13 and BZ-FM is at #14. I don't know for sure, not having access to the complete ratings by demographics, but I would guess that if 98.5 is that close to 850 in the 6+ ratings, that they're probably already well ahead with men 25-54 and obviously 18-34. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 9 01:01:05 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:01:05 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: <9ff2be351001080541l61c5225fv9ce11848829fdf94@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429771001071005w466edaacy8788cab54a04f585@mail.gmail.com>, <4B46BC04.6000506@gmail.com>, <9ff2be351001080541l61c5225fv9ce11848829fdf94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B481BA1.32691.7FBCCE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Jan 2010 at 8:41, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Indeed. Compare how often you hear "Sleigh Ride", "Jingle Bell Rock" > or the ever-popular "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer" vs "O Little > Town Of Bethlehem". I've never quite understood how "Frosty The > Snowman" got to be considered a Christmas song in the first place. Likewise Jingle Bells. The Christmas music on WCRB tends to be more religious. A lot of classical music is Christian religious. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jibguy@aol.com Sat Jan 9 02:54:55 2010 From: jibguy@aol.com (jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:54:55 EST Subject: I guess holiday music works Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would have blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. ----------------------- Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the time, I definitely would have. Absolutely! ---BB From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 9 03:27:29 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:27:29 -0500 Subject: The ESPN 97.7/ 101.1 is...in Syracuse Message-ID: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> I'd mentioned it here, so just to clarify... ESPN 99.7 RI and 100.1 Worcester? Never mind...acc. to an edition of Scott Fybush's North East Radio Watch from Dec 14 of last year: http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html >>Starting March 5, 2010, ESPN will move to the new "ESPN Radio 97.7 and 100.1" in Syracuse and Oswego, These are translators...thus the appearance of Syracuse ESPN site...So the 97.7 in question isn't Providence, and the 100.1 in question isn't Worcester...Now maybe those stations still could wind up being ESPN or sports, but the domain names that were registered were done so for stations in Syracuse...thus the "Syracuse ESPN" page that recently went up on them! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Jan 9 06:39:23 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 06:39:23 -0500 Subject: The ESPN 97.7/ 101.1 is...in Syracuse In-Reply-To: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007e01ca9120$63eb81c0$2bc28540$@net> > I'd mentioned it here, so just to clarify... > > ESPN 99.7 RI and 100.1 Worcester? Never mind...acc. to an edition of > Scott > Fybush's North East Radio Watch from Dec 14 of last year: > > http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html > > >>Starting March 5, 2010, ESPN will move to the new "ESPN Radio 97.7 > and 100.1" in Syracuse and Oswego, > > These are translators...thus the appearance of Syracuse ESPN site...So > the 97.7 in question isn't > Providence, and the 100.1 in question isn't Worcester...Now maybe those > stations still could wind up being ESPN or sports, but the domain names > that were registered were done so for stations in Syracuse...thus the > "Syracuse ESPN" page that recently went up on them! Those translators are on 97.7 and 100.1 though, where the domains were for 99.7 and 100.1. Is the 97.7 translator moving to 99.7? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 9 07:45:46 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:45:46 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works References: Message-ID: <99712CE860624759B22398D7E5F36223@SatU205S5044> Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have expired two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because my source carries a notation that it won't expire until 2029! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: > > I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would > have > blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. > > ----------------------- > Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the > time, I > definitely would have. Absolutely! > ---BB From markwa1ion@aol.com Sat Jan 9 08:47:11 2010 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:47:11 -0500 Subject: WJIB Message-ID: <8CC5F4960E650EB-5088-F9D0@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> WHEB-750 Portsmouth would have been a "killer" for coverage not only of the southern ME, NH, and MA seacoast down to and including Cape Ann but it also had a spectacularly loud signal on the South Shore and Cape Cod. Signal strength measurements that I took from West Yarmouth in the '70s put its 1 kW ahead of 850's 50 kW and nearly in the same league as 680 and 1030. But a 50 kW in Bangor ? I'm not sure that the expense would be justified for the amount of people served who couldn't get WJTO-730 as well. If it was Bar Harbor instead of more inland Bangor, they'd have a monster signal along the entire New England coast as well as parts of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and all the way south to Montauk Point, Long Island. When St. John, New Brunswick (CHSJ) was on 700, they could be heard all day as far south as Chincoteague, VA ! But Bangor isn't Bar Harbor (or St. John) in terms of sea gain boost. What could be a bit cheaper for Bob would be to scoop up West Yarmouth's 1240 and/or Plymouth's 1390 to provide the Cape Cod area with programming well-matched to its sizeable senior population (who used to have nostalgia music on FM but lost that). Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have expired two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because my source carries a notation that it won't expire until 2029! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: > > I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would > have > blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. > > ----------------------- > Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the > time, I > definitely would have. Absolutely! > ---BB >> From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Jan 9 10:30:26 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:30:26 -0500 Subject: WJIB Message-ID: <20100109103026.dlvv8sg98dw84wg4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> WJIB and WJTO's format is just the refreshing thing that Maine needs. The state has an aging population of its own, plus it has a large summer population of retirees "from away". The nostalgia format would serve the state well. WJTO also has excellent newscasts, which is more than can be said for ninety-five percent of Maine radio stations. That having been said, however, I agree with Mark ---a 50 kw signal in Maine would have to be placed on the coast. WBZ's transmitter location in Hull is what (largely) sets its killer signal apart from the rest of its Boston counterparts. 'BZ can be heard during the day all the way from southern New Brunswick to Sherbrooke to Port Jervis, N.Y., and I don't know how far down the coast. Any station that were to obtain the 750 kHz permit would be crazy not to be build the transmitting facility near the ocean. I remember the old WHEB very well, and while I knew it had to protect WSB at night, I sometimes wondered why Knight never upped its daytime power output --- or, for that matter, why it closed the station down. -Doug Quoting markwa1ion@aol.com: > WHEB-750 Portsmouth would have been a "killer" for coverage not only of > the southern ME, NH, and MA seacoast down to and including Cape Ann but > it also had a spectacularly loud signal on the South Shore and Cape > Cod. Signal strength measurements that I took from West Yarmouth in > the '70s put its 1 kW ahead of 850's 50 kW and nearly in the same > league as 680 and 1030. > > But a 50 kW in Bangor ? I'm not sure that the expense would be > justified for the amount of people served who couldn't get WJTO-730 as > well. If it was Bar Harbor instead of more inland Bangor, they'd have > a monster signal along the entire New England coast as well as parts of > Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and all the way south to Montauk Point, > Long Island. When St. John, New Brunswick (CHSJ) was on 700, they > could be heard all day as far south as Chincoteague, VA ! > > But Bangor isn't Bar Harbor (or St. John) in terms of sea gain boost. > > What could be a bit cheaper for Bob would be to scoop up West > Yarmouth's 1240 and/or Plymouth's 1390 to provide the Cape Cod area > with programming well-matched to its sizeable senior population (who > used to have nostalgia music on FM but lost that). > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in > Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). > Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have > expired two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because my > source carries a notation that it won't expire until 2029! > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM > Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > > > > > > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: > > > > I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would > > have > > blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. > > > > ----------------------- > > Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the > > time, I > > definitely would have. Absolutely! > > ---BB > >> > > From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 9 11:15:33 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:15:33 -0500 Subject: I guess holiday music works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b48abc0.6202be0a.5b12.37a9@mx.google.com> At 02:54 AM 1/9/2010, jibguy@aol.com wrote: >>I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would have >>blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. > > >----------------------- >Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the time, I >definitely would have. Absolutely! >---BB I'm not aware that WHEB (AM) was ever put up for sale. The way I understand it, Knight offered to turn in the license for 750 & tear down the tower in exchange for the city of Portsmouth approving a taller tower for 100.3. Even if Bob had gotten the license, he still would have had to build a new facility...I'm guessing not an easy or inexpensive proposition given the amount of NIMBYs in Portsmouth. At 07:45 AM 1/9/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in >Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). Again, even if the CP could be had for a song the actual (1) buildout and (2) operating costs of a signal that would likely serve a lot of moose would be prohibitive. Haven't seen the proposed pattern, but like most new AM allocations, I'd guess that it avoids most human population centers. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 9 11:31:18 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:31:18 -0500 Subject: The ESPN 97.7/ 101.1 is...in Syracuse In-Reply-To: <007e01ca9120$63eb81c0$2bc28540$@net> References: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> <007e01ca9120$63eb81c0$2bc28540$@net> Message-ID: <8CC5F604E0A5FCB-17DC-1C73@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> Maybe a typo in Scott's article? http://www.espnradio997.com takes you to the WNSS 1260 ESPN site The 100.1 is in Oswego (W261AC) Now a search on radio-locator says there is a 97.7 in Syracuse area, relaying "K-Rock" OK, trying espnradio997.com again It works--points to WNSS Huh? >>Those translators are on 97.7 and 100.1 though, where the domains were for 99.7 and 100.1. Is the 97.7 translator moving to 99.7? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 9 11:48:14 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:48:14 -0500 Subject: The ESPN 97.7/ 101.1 is...in Syracuse In-Reply-To: <8CC5F604E0A5FCB-17DC-1C73@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> <007e01ca9120$63eb81c0$2bc28540$@net> <8CC5F604E0A5FCB-17DC-1C73@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B48B34E.90404@fybush.com> raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > Maybe a typo in Scott's article? http://www.espnradio997.com takes you to the WNSS 1260 ESPN > site > > The 100.1 is in Oswego (W261AC) > > Now a search on radio-locator says there is a 97.7 in Syracuse area, relaying "K-Rock" > > OK, trying espnradio997.com again > It works--points to WNSS > > Huh? The 100.1 translator in Oswego was originally on 99.7. I'm not sure when these domains were registered, but perhaps the 99.7 one predated the shift to 100.1. Understand that these are just spoiler domains that were registered by Citadel to cause some grief to their competitor, Galaxy. Citadel now has the ESPN affiliation on its WNSS 1260 Syracuse, but as of March 1 the affiliation moves over to Galaxy's WTLA 1200 North Syracuse (which will be relayed on the 97.7) and WSGO 1440 Oswego (which will be relayed on the 100.1 translator). Citadel's only motivation here is to sow some confusion for anyone looking for the new ESPN stations when they launch in March. It may well be that they've registered something for 97.7 as well that nobody's noticed yet. In any event, it still has nothing to do with New England, as best I can tell. s From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 9 12:07:33 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:07:33 -0500 Subject: The ESPN 97.7/ 101.1 is...in Syracuse In-Reply-To: <4B48B34E.90404@fybush.com> References: <8CC5F1CB76C92B4-D50-1781@web-mmc-d13.sysops.aol.com> <007e01ca9120$63eb81c0$2bc28540$@net> <8CC5F604E0A5FCB-17DC-1C73@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> <4B48B34E.90404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8CC5F655EC64B4D-17DC-1D19@web-mmc-d19.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the info! Since Citadel has stations in Worc at 100.1 and Providence at 99.7, it was possible (to me) that they'd be flipping to ESPN with those domain names as a tipoff...Again, at first when I typed them in I got a blank page and then the Syracuse ESPN page showed up, so... >>Understand that these are just spoiler domains that were registered by Citadel to cause some grief to their competitor, Galaxy. Citadel now has the ESPN affiliation on its WNSS 1260 Syracuse, but as of March 1 the affiliation moves over to Galaxy's WTLA 1200 North Syracuse (which will be relayed on the 97.7) and WSGO 1440 Oswego (which will be relayed on the 100.1 translator). Got it! Yes, I looked up Oswego on radio-locator and saw there was a 100.1 around there >>Citadel's only motivation here is to sow some confusion for anyone looking for the new ESPN stations when they launch in March. It may well be that they've registered something for 97.7 as well that nobody's noticed yet. In any event, it still has nothing to do with New England, as best I can tell. Yup. For now 99.7 is relaying WPRO but who knows... From Jibguy@aol.com Sat Jan 9 13:14:41 2010 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:14:41 EST Subject: WHEB-750, BANGOR 750, 1240-CAPE COD (was:I guess holiday music works) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2010 11:16:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, hykker@wildblue.net writes: Again, even if the CP could be had for a song the actual (1) buildout and (2) operating costs of a signal that would likely serve a lot of moose would be prohibitive. Haven't seen the proposed pattern, but like most new AM allocations, I'd guess that it avoids most human population centers. ----------------------------------------------- True, it is a worthless CP, and I understand it has been up for sale for awhile now. One thing Bangor does not need is a 50kw AM station. I do not believe it can be moved to the coast with high power since WJTO-730 would be in the way. 750's 2.5mv/m cannot touch WJTO's 25 mv/m. So if 750 were moved to the coast east of Bangor, that's a possibility, but there are few people there. If 750 were moved south or southeast to the coast, then WJTO would be a big problem, and so would 760-Worcester and 740-Cambridge. If anyone were to ever construct 750-Bangor, they better plan on doing it as a tax-loss. Then there are those who might say "moved WJTO-730 to 750." While that would help nighttime service (virtually non-existent now on 730), moving it to 750 would still have the same restrictions with 740 as 730 now has in daytime. Presently, WJTO-730 has a killer signal in Portland, and quite good on Cape Cod, so best to leave it as is. Around 1990, the then out-of-state-owners (James & Hunter Communications) of WJTO filed an app with the FCC for 10kw days and 500w at night, using 5 towers; all crammed onto the then-11-acres WJTO property on the ocean inlet. FCC accepted it, but local zoning folks would not have approved it. James & Hunter went into bankruptcy around the same time (the JTO app probably helped in that regard) and WJTO and WKRH-FM were both off the air for 11 months. As to WHEB-750; true, the tower came down in exhange for a taller FM tower. However, 750 could have stayed on the taller tower with skirting along the FM tower... something that the then-owners figured was too expensive and not worth it at the time. Cost for that would have been around $25k; something that I certainly would have been willing to do. But then again, I see more value of AM daytimers on low frequencies than most bigger operators do. As to 1240 on Cape Cod, it went up for sale for $200k back in the pit of the 90's recession. No bites, therefore Ernie Boch figured he'd donate it to BU. I thought that price was way too high.... had he just wanted $50k for it, I would have bit. Would be nice to have a WJIB repeater on Cape Cod. But rebroadcasting WBUR on it, as is being done presently, is a superior use for the 1240 station too. ---------BB From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 9 14:17:51 2010 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:17:51 -0500 Subject: Hartford Courant: Vintage Radio and Communications Museum of CT Message-ID: <007e01ca9160$706c15a0$514440e0$@net> Good article in today's Courant. The museum has been in its present location since 2005. Story http://www.courant.com/entertainment/arts/hc-vintage-museum.artjan09,0,60242 .story Pictures http://www.courant.com/entertainment/arts/hc-vintage-radio-museum-pictures,0 ,1319369.photogallery The museum's website is at http://www.vrcmct.org From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 14:39:28 2010 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHEB-750, BANGOR 750, 1240-CAPE COD (was:I guess holiday music works) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222483.121.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All in all, the shutdown of WHEB/750 back in '91 was probably one of the most stupid blunders in modern broadcast history. That was ONE beautiful signal. It covered so much real-estate from the White Mountains to Cape Cod and beyond. It was on the air since the 1930's. The FM (WHEB-FM, ex-WPFM and again WHEB-FM) was an afterthought since the day it signed on back in '64, until they went to a AM//FM Top 40 format in the early 70's. WHEB (once affectionately known as "Webby" back in the early days) was one of the charter stations running "American Top 40" back in 1970 as was WJTO/730 in Bath. If only Knight saw the WHOLE picture, the AM could have survived and quite possibly would have been part of a trimulcast of WJIB! Those lowly 1000 watts on 750 were quite effective for decades. If I had the money, I would have bought it. I miss that 750 signal! (*sigh*) Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > From: Jibguy@aol.com > Subject: Re: WHEB-750, BANGOR 750, 1240-CAPE COD (was:I guess holiday music works) > To: hykker@wildblue.net, boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:14 PM > In a message dated 1/9/2010 11:16:55 > AM Eastern Standard Time, > hykker@wildblue.net > writes: > > Again, even if the CP could be had for a song the actual > (1) buildout > and (2) operating costs of a signal that would likely serve > a lot of > moose would be prohibitive.? Haven't seen the proposed > pattern, but > like most new AM allocations, I'd guess that it avoids most > human > population centers. > ----------------------------------------------- > ? ? True, it is a worthless CP, and I understand > it has been up for sale > for awhile now. One thing Bangor does not need is a 50kw AM > station.???I do > not believe it can be moved to the coast with high power > since WJTO-730 would > be in the way.? 750's 2.5mv/m cannot touch WJTO's 25 > mv/m. So if 750 were > moved to the coast east of Bangor, that's a > possibility,? but there are few > people there.? If 750 were moved south or southeast to > the coast, then WJTO > would be a big problem, and so would 760-Worcester and > 740-Cambridge.? If > anyone were to ever construct 750-Bangor, they better plan > on doing it as a > tax-loss. > ? ? Then there are those who might say "moved > WJTO-730 to 750." While that > would help nighttime service (virtually non-existent now on > 730), moving it > to 750 would still have the same restrictions with 740 as > 730 now has in > daytime. Presently, WJTO-730 has a killer signal in > Portland, and quite good on > Cape Cod, so best to leave it as is. > ? ? Around 1990, the then out-of-state-owners > (James & Hunter > Communications) of WJTO filed an app with the FCC for 10kw > days and 500w at night, using > 5 towers; all crammed onto the then-11-acres WJTO property > on the ocean > inlet. FCC accepted it, but local zoning folks would not > have approved it.? > James & Hunter went into bankruptcy around the same > time (the JTO app probably > helped in that regard) and WJTO and WKRH-FM were both off > the air for 11 > months. > ? ? As to WHEB-750; true, the tower came down in > exhange for a taller FM > tower. However, 750 could have stayed on the taller tower > with skirting along > the FM tower... something that the then-owners figured was > too expensive and > not worth it at the time. Cost for that would have been > around $25k; > something that I certainly would have been willing to do. > But then again, I see > more value of AM daytimers on low frequencies than most > bigger operators do. > ? ? As to 1240 on Cape Cod, it went up for sale > for $200k back in the pit > of the 90's recession. No bites, therefore Ernie Boch > figured he'd donate it > to BU. I thought that price was way too high.... had he > just wanted $50k for > it, I would have bit. Would be nice to have a WJIB repeater > on Cape Cod.? > But rebroadcasting WBUR on it, as is being done presently, > is a superior use > for the 1240 station too. > ---------BB > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 9 15:19:43 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:19:43 -0500 Subject: WHEB-750, BANGOR 750, 1240-CAPE COD (was:I guess holiday music works) References: Message-ID: <709AFFA8E42C4707AF97BA9DD6046019@SatU205S5044> The CP has call letters assigned--WRME (probably meant to stand for Radio Maine; alas, if the station is ever constructed and the call letters aren't changed, it will be known to most people as Wormy). The day pattern would obviously not be a problem--it's 50 kW ND. The night pattern (synthesized with a rather standard four-tower parallelogram array) is basically a teardrop with the max field (~70 kW ND equivalent) to the southeast--specifically, at 138 degrees. There is a decent minor lobe to the northwest, equivalent to almost 5 kW ND with the local maximum at 313 degrees. I do not know what the NIF is but the distance from WSB is 1119 miles, suggesting that the NIF would be respectable. WCRN is 1086 miles from WCCO and WCRN's NIF is about 10.5 mV/m. As for no overlap of second-adjacent 2.5 and 25 mV/m contours, that rule was changed probably 25 years ago. The current rule is no overlap of 5 mV/m contours. Hence we have WCRN so close to WEEI. There was also the granted (but never built) CP to move what later became WJIB to what became the 890 site in Ashland. From there, 740 would have run 2.5 kW using a five-tower teardrop pattern having its maximum to the east. The lobes behind thay pattern were appreciable, however. Had there been prohibited overlap between the 740 and WVNE, the FCC would not have granted the CP. Since WRME is not on the air, I suspect that the usual FCC hassles related to eliminating the community's first local service would not apply if Bob were to buy the allocation and move it to Bath to upgrade WJTO. On 750, WJTO could remain a Class D but would receive a lot less interference from WSB than it receives from CKAC. But on 750, WJTO would have to protect WVNE by day. I assume that could be done with two towers and the present 1 kW. The problem is that the signal in Portland would be severely degraded, so I think Bob would find the idea unacceptable. A pattern that protected WVNE by day would, however, protect WSB to some extent at night and would therefore allow WJTO to run somewhat more than the 8W at night that I estimate it would be allowed if it ran ND at night on 750. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:14 PM Subject: Re: WHEB-750, BANGOR 750,1240-CAPE COD (was:I guess holiday music works) > In a message dated 1/9/2010 11:16:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, > hykker@wildblue.net writes: > > Again, even if the CP could be had for a song the actual (1) > buildout > and (2) operating costs of a signal that would likely serve a lot of > moose would be prohibitive. Haven't seen the proposed pattern, but > like most new AM allocations, I'd guess that it avoids most human > population centers. > ----------------------------------------------- > True, it is a worthless CP, and I understand it has been up for > sale > for awhile now. One thing Bangor does not need is a 50kw AM station. > I do > not believe it can be moved to the coast with high power since > WJTO-730 would > be in the way. 750's 2.5mv/m cannot touch WJTO's 25 mv/m. So if 750 > were > moved to the coast east of Bangor, that's a possibility, but there > are few > people there. If 750 were moved south or southeast to the coast, > then WJTO > would be a big problem, and so would 760-Worcester and > 740-Cambridge. If > anyone were to ever construct 750-Bangor, they better plan on doing > it as a > tax-loss. > Then there are those who might say "moved WJTO-730 to 750." While > that > would help nighttime service (virtually non-existent now on 730), > moving it > to 750 would still have the same restrictions with 740 as 730 now > has in > daytime. Presently, WJTO-730 has a killer signal in Portland, and > quite good on > Cape Cod, so best to leave it as is. > Around 1990, the then out-of-state-owners (James & Hunter > Communications) of WJTO filed an app with the FCC for 10kw days and > 500w at night, using > 5 towers; all crammed onto the then-11-acres WJTO property on the > ocean > inlet. FCC accepted it, but local zoning folks would not have > approved it. > James & Hunter went into bankruptcy around the same time (the JTO > app probably > helped in that regard) and WJTO and WKRH-FM were both off the air > for 11 > months. > As to WHEB-750; true, the tower came down in exhange for a taller > FM > tower. However, 750 could have stayed on the taller tower with > skirting along > the FM tower... something that the then-owners figured was too > expensive and > not worth it at the time. Cost for that would have been around $25k; > something that I certainly would have been willing to do. But then > again, I see > more value of AM daytimers on low frequencies than most bigger > operators do. > As to 1240 on Cape Cod, it went up for sale for $200k back in the > pit > of the 90's recession. No bites, therefore Ernie Boch figured he'd > donate it > to BU. I thought that price was way too high.... had he just wanted > $50k for > it, I would have bit. Would be nice to have a WJIB repeater on Cape > Cod. > But rebroadcasting WBUR on it, as is being done presently, is a > superior use > for the 1240 station too. > ---------BB From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 9 17:32:11 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:32:11 -0500 Subject: WJIB References: <20100109103026.dlvv8sg98dw84wg4@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: I have to disagree. Protecting WSB and, I believe, a co-channel station in NF, necessitate a night pattern whose main lobe goes southeast. From a coastal site, a pattern like that would cover very little land area or population. You could use separate day and night sites and put the day site on the coast with a pattern that sends the signal along the coast and inland but the night site would have to be inland because the required pattern from a coastal site would cover hardly any land or people. That approach would be costly and would create a whole new set of problems. Finding a pair of sites in Maine that could deliver the requisite CoL-level signal to some sizeable community by day and by night and also cover a sizeable population at night would, I think, present an impossible challenge. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: WJIB > WJIB and WJTO's format is just the refreshing thing that Maine > needs. The state has an aging population of its own, plus it has a > large summer population of retirees "from away". The nostalgia > format would serve the state well. WJTO also has excellent > newscasts, which is more than can be said for ninety-five percent of > Maine radio stations. > That having been said, however, I agree with Mark ---a 50 kw signal > in Maine would have to be placed on the coast. WBZ's transmitter > location in Hull is what (largely) sets its killer signal apart from > the rest of its Boston counterparts. 'BZ can be heard during the > day all the way from southern New Brunswick to Sherbrooke to Port > Jervis, N.Y., and I don't know how far down the coast. Any station > that were to obtain the 750 kHz permit would be crazy not to be > build the transmitting facility near the ocean. > I remember the old WHEB very well, and while I knew it had to > protect WSB at night, I sometimes wondered why Knight never upped > its daytime power output --- or, for that matter, why it closed the > station down. -Doug > > > > Quoting markwa1ion@aol.com: >> WHEB-750 Portsmouth would have been a "killer" for coverage not >> only of >> the southern ME, NH, and MA seacoast down to and including Cape Ann >> but >> it also had a spectacularly loud signal on the South Shore and Cape >> Cod. Signal strength measurements that I took from West Yarmouth >> in >> the '70s put its 1 kW ahead of 850's 50 kW and nearly in the same >> league as 680 and 1030. >> But a 50 kW in Bangor ? I'm not sure that the expense would be >> justified for the amount of people served who couldn't get WJTO-730 >> as >> well. If it was Bar Harbor instead of more inland Bangor, they'd >> have >> a monster signal along the entire New England coast as well as >> parts of >> Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and all the way south to Montauk >> Point, >> Long Island. When St. John, New Brunswick (CHSJ) was on 700, they >> could be heard all day as far south as Chincoteague, VA ! >> >> But Bangor isn't Bar Harbor (or St. John) in terms of sea gain >> boost. >> What could be a bit cheaper for Bob would be to scoop up West >> Yarmouth's 1240 and/or Plymouth's 1390 to provide the Cape Cod area >> with programming well-matched to its sizeable senior population >> (who >> used to have nostalgia music on FM but lost that). >> Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA >> >> << >> Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP >> in >> Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). >> Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have >> expired two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because >> my >> source carries a notation that it won't expire until 2029! >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM >> Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works >> >> >> > >> > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> > aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: >> > >> > I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he >> > would >> > have >> > blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. >> > ----------------------- >> > Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the >> > time, I >> > definitely would have. Absolutely! >> > ---BB >> >> >> >> > > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 9 19:25:00 2010 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (rac@gabrielmass.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:25:00 -0500 Subject: WJIB Message-ID: <20100110002558.BBA15CF014@server4.gabrielmass.com> Doug wrote: >'BZ can be heard during the day > all the way from southern New > Brunswick to Sherbrooke to Port > Jervis, N.Y., and I don't know how > far down the coast. This week it's coming in variably at Charleston, SC. --RC From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Sat Jan 9 21:33:39 2010 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:33:39 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> <4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002a01ca919d$519c9630$f4d5c290$@alternate@gmail.com> That is the first time I heard that explanation. I heard that the steel silos are to reduce the ice and wind-loading on the towers, because they are straight towers with no guy wires. It was done to eliminate the need for guy wires from being constructed on the mountain top to reduce the "environmental damage". (As you know Concrete tower footings use less "earth" than the concrete guy wire footings) I guess any explanation is plausible. Also RE: Warsaw tower, it is widely believed amongst those who studied it, the Warsaw tower collapsed due to sabotage. While the Polish government wrote it off as a maintenance issue, others involved wrote the tower was collapsed intentionally. --Mike Fitzpatrick -----Original Message----- >In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that those are not >concrete silos up there on Mansfield. They're actually steel cylinders >that surround conventional lattice towers, and they're there to pacify >the environmentalists who would have preferred to see no towers there at >all. Supposedly the shrouded towers are less visually obtrusive. I'm not >sure I buy that line of reasoning, but if I had to get a new tower built >on Mount Mansfield, I'd build whatever needed to be built, I suppose. From dave@skywaves.net Sat Jan 9 23:21:54 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:21:54 -0500 Subject: North Dakota tower In-Reply-To: <002a01ca919d$519c9630$f4d5c290$@alternate@gmail.com> References: <4B423094.6020406@gmail.com><19266.15985.846098.134803@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B42431D.4080408@fybush.com><19266.17901.364088.743663@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02799D9D48E9413884D67646D898EBD0@dave> <8CC5C57C4491A43-1028-F51@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com><4B43A8A9.10104@fybush.com> <002a01ca919d$519c9630$f4d5c290$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51D6C9A9364849C395A36CD80FAF3C48@dave> > While the Polish government wrote it off as a maintenance issue, others > involved wrote the tower was collapsed intentionally. There was a Moscow tower, a self-supporter, as I recall, that suffered a mysterious fire. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Fitzpatrick" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:33 PM To: Subject: RE: North Dakota tower > > That is the first time I heard that explanation. I heard that the steel > silos are to reduce the ice and wind-loading on the towers, > because they are straight towers with no guy wires. It was done to > eliminate > the need for guy wires from being constructed on the > mountain top to reduce the "environmental damage". (As you know Concrete > tower footings use less "earth" than the concrete guy wire footings) > > I guess any explanation is plausible. > > Also RE: Warsaw tower, it is widely believed amongst those who studied it, > the Warsaw tower collapsed due to sabotage. > While the Polish government wrote it off as a maintenance issue, others > involved wrote the tower was collapsed intentionally. > > --Mike Fitzpatrick > > -----Original Message----- > > >>In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that those are not >>concrete silos up there on Mansfield. They're actually steel cylinders >>that surround conventional lattice towers, and they're there to pacify >>the environmentalists who would have preferred to see no towers there at >>all. Supposedly the shrouded towers are less visually obtrusive. I'm not >>sure I buy that line of reasoning, but if I had to get a new tower built >>on Mount Mansfield, I'd build whatever needed to be built, I suppose. > > From jibguy@aol.com Sun Jan 10 03:38:05 2010 From: jibguy@aol.com (jibguy@aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:38:05 EST Subject: WJIB Message-ID: <845.481ff0b1.387aebed@aol.com> In a message dated 1/8/2010 11:01:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, markwa1ion@aol.com writes: Yes, Bob Bittner is to be commended for what he does on WJIB and on Maine's WJTO (an actually-better signal in some Mass. coastal areas). I think there should be a little more 'ancient' country / folk / blues / bluegrass, more hot '50s jazz a la Monk-Mingus-Coltrane-Parker-Davis, and more '50s rock / R&B in the line-up but that's just my opinion and I don't see him taking out some of the Mantovani and Melachrino Strings for "Sixty Minute Man" and "Work With Me Annie" anytime soon. ------------------------------------- Monk-Mingus,et al.... not mainstream at all. Like to keep WJIB mainstream with a few semi-mainstream LP tracks each hour, such as Dinah Washington, Billie Holiday. Sixty-Minute Man IS on the playlist, and Mantovani (except for 2 songs) and Melanchrino Straings (except for 4 songs), are all gone. - I do play 2 to 4 instrumentals an hour, but they're more "up" than those two M-Orchestras. ----BB From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 10 14:07:31 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:07:31 -0500 Subject: NBC Makes It Official: Jay Leno's 10PM Show Axed Message-ID: From the Boston Herald website, NBC has made it official: Jay Leno's nightly prime time hour has been cancelled as of the start of the Winter Olympics Feb.12th. Saturday's Herald had front page headlines stating Channel 7's opinion on the low rated Leno's show and it's effects on their 11PM news ratings: "You're Killing Us" was the headline. The article recalls Channel 7's owner Ed Ansin's battle with NBC when he announced plans to air local news in place of the Leno show as he predicted Leno at 10 would be a flop and harm his 11PM news ratings. Guess Ed was right: in the November sweeps, 7's 11PM news fell to third place overall and lost 21% of it's viewers in the 25-54 age bracket. Article announcing the end of Jay at 10: http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20100110nbc_jay_leno_in_prime-time_to_end/srvc=home&position=recent Article from Saturday's Herald about 7's ratings woes: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20100109jay_leno_lead-in_a_joke_whdh_ratings_sink_with_funny_guys_show/ Mark Watson From cdsull502@aol.com Sun Jan 10 15:19:55 2010 From: cdsull502@aol.com (cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:19:55 EST Subject: Stupid Question Message-ID: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of Leno? Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 10 15:37:18 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:37:18 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Message-ID: <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of Leno? > Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time > slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? Well, they have two months: the Olympics will take up pretty much all of February, so they don't have to program anything until March. If they're smart, they may just invite the affils to move their news up an hour. -GAWollman From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jan 10 16:09:27 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:09:27 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: What? Move the affiiate news up an hour, then program Leno at 10:30 instead of 11? Then I'll be feelin' like I'm living in Mountain time zone again. -Bob On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of > Leno? > > Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time > > slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? > > Well, they have two months: the Olympics will take up pretty much all > of February, so they don't have to program anything until March. > > If they're smart, they may just invite the affils to move their news > up an hour. > > -GAWollman > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 10 16:46:20 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:46:20 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100110214637.11D271B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:19 PM 1/10/2010, cdsull502@aol.com wrote: >Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of Leno? >Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time >slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? Not exactly on the sly, but sort of low-key. According to TVNewser.com, NBC has quietly been trying out assorted pilots for new shows, and they evidently have a few of those shows waiting in the wings. They could also pick up some of the shows that first ran on cable networks in which they have an interest. Several years back, they relegated Law & Order: Criminal Intent to the USA Network, and then showed those episodes later in the season on NBC. I think they have an agreement with USA Network on several of their shows. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 16:57:24 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:57:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <80000.67668.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Whatever happens will be a short-term solution pending the outcome of the Comcast deal. That could take up to a year. (Most people on this list know I work for Comcast Sports Net, but we are not being told anything more than what is out in the general media.) Comcast is viewing this from an owning content perspective and I don't think they know what they're going to do with the traditional broadcast media (NBC, Telemundo and the O&Os) beyond the fact they're part of the package. Everything on both sides is status quo for now and no one wants to make any speculative moves beyond the immediate future. It is still possible the government (being DOJ, FCC or another body) could object or negate all or part of the deal and it may fall apart. I think in the aftermath of the Leno fiasco everyone is overlooking the fact that WHDH isn't putting a lot into their newscasts. They were hurt a lot when Randy Price left. They are as much to blame as the network for their ratings problems at 11. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 10 17:08:27 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:08:27 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question-- here's the answer In-Reply-To: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100110220844.66AC91B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> And the Associated Press is now reporting that "The decision to shift Leno will leave a gaping hole in NBC's prime-time schedule, at a time the network is already struggling. A mix of reality programming, "Dateline NBC" and at least two hours of scripted shows will be added to fill in the five hours taken up by Leno's prime-time show each week. Looking ahead to the 2010-11 season, NBC announced seven drama pilots under development, including an updated version of "The Rockford Files" from "House" executive producer David Shore; "Undercovers," a husband-wife spy drama from producer J.J. Abrams ("Lost") and "Prime Suspect," based on the BBC series about a female detective." http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2010/01/10/nbc_leno_in_prime_time_to_end/ From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Jan 10 17:19:57 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:19:57 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question Message-ID: <0dd601ca9243$0b801d10$22805730$@com> Lets see.... Monday - Law & Order Boston Tuesday - Law & Order Denver Wednesday - Law & Order Life at the Beach Thursday - Law & Order in the Trailer Park Friday - Law & Order Beverly Hills 90210 That should work....just kidding (bong bong) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:37 PM To: cdsull502@aol.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Stupid Question < Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of Leno? > Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time > slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? Well, they have two months: the Olympics will take up pretty much all of February, so they don't have to program anything until March. If they're smart, they may just invite the affils to move their news up an hour. -GAWollman From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Jan 10 18:05:16 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:05:16 -0500 Subject: NBC Makes It Official: Jay Leno's 10PM Show Axed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2106041F-B9A5-4FA6-B5CC-EEB07C55E33B@charter.net> Folks, Let me ask a stupid question. Don't people usually have a favorite newscast? If so, wouldn't they turn the channel at 11 PM to watch it, even if they were watching another channel before 11? People can't really just watch whatever comes on after their 10 PM show, do they? People aren't that much like sheep, are they? Personally, if I were watching a 10 PM show on WHDH and my favorite news was on WBZ, I'd change channels at 11:00. I wish WHDH had not aired Leno at 10 PM like they had threatened. I can't believe NBC would have that much clout to force them to air the show. I guess it's not like the "olden days" when affiliates pre-empted network shows all the time and had control over their own station's schedule. Paul On Jan 10, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > From the Boston Herald website, NBC has made it official: Jay Leno's nightly prime time hour has been cancelled as of the start of the Winter Olympics Feb.12th. Saturday's Herald had front page headlines stating Channel 7's opinion on the low rated Leno's show and it's effects on their 11PM news ratings: "You're Killing Us" was the headline. The article recalls Channel 7's owner Ed Ansin's battle with NBC when he announced plans to air local news in place of the Leno show as he predicted Leno at 10 would be a flop and harm his 11PM news ratings. Guess Ed was right: in the November sweeps, 7's 11PM news fell to third place overall and lost 21% of it's viewers in the 25-54 age bracket. > > Article announcing the end of Jay at 10: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20100110nbc_jay_leno_in_prime-time_to_end/srvc=home&position=recent > > > Article from Saturday's Herald about 7's ratings woes: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/20100109jay_leno_lead-in_a_joke_whdh_ratings_sink_with_funny_guys_show/ > > Mark Watson > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Jan 10 18:13:38 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:13:38 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question Message-ID: <20100110181338.4ifl0z1bdv4swk00@webmail.myfairpoint.net> As I've oft stated before, I'm not a professional broadcaster and certainly have no expertise or even experience in network programming, but what you've suggested is something I've wondered about ever since the onset of the Leno-at-10 debacle. Would it be too risky for NBC to offer the 10- to 10:30 (ET) time slot to its affiliates for local news, then put Leno on from 10:30 to 11:30 and allow Conan to retain his current slot? Would moving the news ahead from 11 to 10 lose viewers or attract viewers? I know a lot of older folks who like to go to bed between 10 and 11; they'd probably be delighted to have the news on earlier. There are a lot of indie, Fox and CW affiliates that are already doing it, with modest success. -Doug Quoting Bob DeMattia : > What? Move the affiiate news up an hour, then program Leno at 10:30 instead > of 11? > > Then I'll be feelin' like I'm living in Mountain time zone again. > > > -Bob > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > > > < > > > > Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of > > Leno? > > > Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time > > > slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? > > > > Well, they have two months: the Olympics will take up pretty much all > > of February, so they don't have to program anything until March. > > > > If they're smart, they may just invite the affils to move their news > > up an hour. > > > > -GAWollman > > > > > From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 10 18:15:43 2010 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:15:43 -0500 Subject: NBC Makes It Official: Jay Leno's 10PM Show Axed In-Reply-To: <2106041F-B9A5-4FA6-B5CC-EEB07C55E33B@charter.net> References: <2106041F-B9A5-4FA6-B5CC-EEB07C55E33B@charter.net> Message-ID: <48D84D50-9AA1-4E2C-AB0E-DBA8D2B1CC1B@mac.com> The ratings show that the lead-in show has a lot to do with any particular station's 11 o'clock news. I think far fewer people have a favorite newscast now than in the days of Liz and Bob and Chet and Nat. How many people can name more than one or two local anchors at all, let alone designate a favorite? On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > Folks, > > Let me ask a stupid question. Don't people usually have a favorite newscast? If so, wouldn't they turn the channel at 11 PM to watch it, even if they were watching another channel before 11? People can't really just watch whatever comes on after their 10 PM show, do they? People aren't that much like sheep, are they? > > Personally, if I were watching a 10 PM show on WHDH and my favorite news was on WBZ, I'd change channels at 11:00. > > I wish WHDH had not aired Leno at 10 PM like they had threatened. I can't believe NBC would have that much clout to force them to air the show. I guess it's not like the "olden days" when affiliates pre-empted network shows all the time and had control over their own station's schedule. > > Paul From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 10 17:17:21 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:17:21 -0600 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <20100110214637.11D271B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <20100110214637.11D271B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429771001101417t2bd07140s73e85f8e02e8b6a1@mail.gmail.com> They can strip Deal Or No Deal coming out of the Olympics for a short term fix as well. The big winner in this jhas been CBS stations who have seen their 11 pm newscasts surge. From hopperman@metrocast.net Sun Jan 10 19:40:52 2010 From: hopperman@metrocast.net (Richard Hopper) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:40:52 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question-- here's the answer In-Reply-To: <20100110220844.66AC91B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <20100110220844.66AC91B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: I'm hoping for Fireball XL-5. R On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > And the Associated Press is now reporting that "The decision to > shift Leno will leave a gaping hole in NBC's prime-time schedule, > at a time the network is already struggling. A mix of reality > programming, "Dateline NBC" and at least two hours of scripted > shows will be added to fill in the five hours taken up by Leno's > prime-time show each week. > > Looking ahead to the 2010-11 season, NBC announced seven drama > pilots under development, including an updated version of "The > Rockford Files" from "House" executive producer David Shore; > "Undercovers," a husband-wife spy drama from producer J.J. Abrams > ("Lost") and "Prime Suspect," based on the BBC series about a > female detective." http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2010/01/10/ > nbc_leno_in_prime_time_to_end/ > From lspin@comcast.net Sun Jan 10 19:53:52 2010 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:53:52 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Message-ID: <007001ca9258$8b71f880$a255e980$@net> Would it be a stupid question, as well, to ask about the lead-ins to Jay Leno's show? Could that have contributed to the problem, too? All I can think is that NBC will resort to some flavor of "reality" junk programming to try to recover their allegedly decayed ratings. How very sad. I actually liked tuning in to Leno at 10:00. I didn't tune-in every night, but I did several nights during the week. It was a breath of fresh air from the "Law and Orders" and from all the other cookie-cutter junk being offered. And my next question is: What will Jay Leno do with a half-hour at 11:35pm? I hope Conan bolts for another network. Dave Letterman must be salivating at this point. -Lou From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Jan 10 20:12:35 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:12:35 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <20100110181338.4ifl0z1bdv4swk00@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100110181338.4ifl0z1bdv4swk00@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: If they do this, what happens in the central/mountain time zones where late news is already at 10:00. Do they start doing news at 9? -Bob On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:13 PM, wrote: > As I've oft stated before, I'm not a professional broadcaster and certainly > have no expertise or even experience in network programming, but what you've > suggested is something I've wondered about ever since the onset of the > Leno-at-10 debacle. Would it be too risky for NBC to offer the 10- to 10:30 > (ET) time slot to its affiliates for local news, then put Leno on from 10:30 > to 11:30 and allow Conan to retain his current slot? Would moving the news > ahead from 11 to 10 lose viewers or attract viewers? I know a lot of older > folks who like to go to bed between 10 and 11; they'd probably be delighted > to have the news on earlier. There are a lot of indie, Fox and CW > affiliates that are already doing it, with modest success. -Doug > > > > Quoting Bob DeMattia : > >> What? Move the affiiate news up an hour, then program Leno at 10:30 >> instead >> of 11? >> >> Then I'll be feelin' like I'm living in Mountain time zone again. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Garrett Wollman > >wrote: >> >> > <> > >> > > Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of >> > Leno? >> > > Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that >> time >> > > slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? >> > >> > Well, they have two months: the Olympics will take up pretty much all >> > of February, so they don't have to program anything until March. > >> > If they're smart, they may just invite the affils to move their news >> > up an hour. > >> > -GAWollman >> > >> > >> >> > > > From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sun Jan 10 21:09:49 2010 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:09:49 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <02932E52-82BF-44ED-8A1E-052B7160AD07@frontiernet.net> On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > What? Move the affiiate news up an hour, then program Leno at 10:30 instead > of 11? As someone who used to enjoy the first part of the Leno show at 11:35 p.m., after the late night news, I've spent some time analyzing my own (lack of) response to his 10:00 p.m. show. I suspect many people who enjoy Leno at 11:35 p.m. and later are in the same boat as my wife and I: 1. We're not ready by 10:00 p.m. to commit to sitting in front of the TV set on a nightly basis. Once in a while my wife will note that some music awards, drama, or 'tear-jerker' special is going to be on from 10-11 or 9-11, and she'll clear the decks to make sure she sees it -- such as by arranging to do some ironing or laundry folding at that time. But except for that, we're almost always still 'on the go' -- in and out of the house -- until sometime in the middle of the 11 o'clock news -- and sometimes later. It's easy to get us to tune in four or five nights a week at 11:35; not so easy to get us to tune in even once a week at 10. 2. I think it's one thing to 'clear the decks' for a 1-hour or 2-hour drama, weekly series, or special, where you "know" what the content is going to be like for the full time slot, but it's another thing to make a 1-hour commitment five nights a week to a show where you don't really know what's going to come after the monolog. For instance, my wife and I enjoy Jay's monolog, we enjoy "Jay Walking", we enjoy the funny sign boards with the typos (whatever that segment is called), but we can do without the interviews with the self-absorbed Hollywood stars and most of the musical groups that appear. 3. The nice thing about having the Jay Leno Show begin at 11:35 p.m. is that each show is a hodge-podge of individual segments, and you don't feel badly about falling asleep at any point in the show. At 10:00, however, there's a sense of "I need to stay with this to catch the news". In other words, for many of Jay's viewers (my wife and I included), it's important that the Jay Leno Show be the *last* thing on their TV schedule, with a user-defined, highly variable, 'ending' time. One factor I haven't seen mentioned here is the issue of relative audience sizes for 10 p.m. and 11:35 p.m. 'Prime Time' is called that for a reason. Having the top-rated late night show doesn't mean it's going to be competitive in Prime Time, even if it holds or expands its 11:35 p.m. audience size. It's been many years since I dealt in audience sizes and market shares, but when I was paying attention to that stuff, the best of late night audiences was far below the average prime time audience. So I felt from the beginning that a 10:00 p.m. Leno show would have an uphill battle. Finally, and as an aside, I think 10:00 p.m. news works best for highly agrarian communities where a major part of the population has to rise before the sun comes up -- and perhaps also where a large percentage of the population works a 1st shift with a very early start time. But that describes a very small part of the eastern time zone of the USA -- especially with the loss of so much manufacturing in recent decades. Here in the Syracuse metro area we have at least one station that does a 10:00 p.m. newscast; once in a while I find that useful (because I'm crashing early because I have to be up early to catch an early train, etc.). So I'm all in favor of the "11 o'clock" news appearing at different times on different stations. Of course, these days I've noticed the same anchors, reporters, and weatherpersons are appearing on all those different stations....:-) Bud Hippisley From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Jan 10 23:35:10 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:35:10 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <02932E52-82BF-44ED-8A1E-052B7160AD07@frontiernet.net> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02932E52-82BF-44ED-8A1E-052B7160AD07@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > I suspect many people who enjoy Leno at 11:35 p.m. and later are in the same boat as my wife and I: > > 1. We're not ready by 10:00 p.m. to commit to sitting in front of the TV set on a nightly basis. Once in a while my wife will clear the decks to make sure she sees it -- But except for that, we're almost always still 'on the go' -- in and out of the house -- until sometime in the middle of the 11 o'clock news -- and sometimes later. > > 2. I think it's one thing to 'clear the decks' for a 1-hour or 2-hour drama, weekly series, or special, where you "know" what the content is going to be like for the full time slot, but it's another thing to make a 1-hour commitment five nights a week to a show where you don't really know what's going to come after the monolog. For instance, my wife and I enjoy Jay's monolog, we enjoy "Jay Walking", we enjoy the funny sign boards with the typos (whatever that segment is called), but we can do without the interviews with the self-absorbed Hollywood stars and most of the musical groups that appear. > Where in all this discussion does a DVR play a role, if at all? Were I a Leno fan, I'd TiVo it and skip through stuff I didn't like. A commitment to the parts I like, but enjoyable at a more convenient time. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 10 22:42:11 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:42:11 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <20100110214637.11D271B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <20100110214637.11D271B4005@relay25.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: At 4:46 PM -0500 1/10/10, Donna Halper wrote: > >Not exactly on the sly, but sort of low-key. According to >TVNewser.com, NBC has quietly been trying out assorted pilots for >new shows, and they evidently have a few of those shows waiting in >the wings. They could also pick up some of the shows that first ran >on cable networks in which they have an interest. Several years >back, they relegated Law & Order: Criminal Intent to the USA >Network, and then showed those episodes later in the season on NBC. >I think they have an agreement with USA Network on several of their >shows. Since NBC/Universal owns the USA Network, they don't need no stinkin' agreement! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 10 23:46:42 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:46:42 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <19274.14974.282738.291991@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <02932E52-82BF-44ED-8A1E-052B7160AD07@frontiernet.net> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Where in all this discussion does a DVR play a role, if at all? Jeff Zucker is on record admitting to having made the programming commitment to a "DVR-proof" show just when the advertising rate base was shifting from live-broadcast-only to plus-three-days. (It turns out that, in DVR households, only about 40% of the audience skips the commercials even three days later.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 11 00:11:19 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:11:19 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com>, <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net>, <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jan 2010 at 23:46, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Jeff Zucker is on record admitting to having made the programming > commitment to a "DVR-proof" show just when the advertising rate base > was shifting from live-broadcast-only to plus-three-days. (It turns > out that, in DVR households, only about 40% of the audience skips the > commercials even three days later.) What makes a program DVR-proof? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jan 11 00:50:27 2010 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:50:27 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com>, <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net>, <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4B4ABC23.60804@server4.gabrielmass.com> On 01/11/2010 12:11 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > What makes a program DVR-proof? > In-studio commercials by the talent? --RC From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jan 11 05:06:42 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:06:42 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com>, <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net>, <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Certain shows can be blocked, but most channels don't at this point, fearing a backlash from viewers. The only time I've seen it is with certain HBO specials. I tried to DVR the last Robin Williams special and it didn't take. I tried another show on that channel and it worked fine. My guess is that you may see more DVR blocking in the future, as many viewers, particularly in the younger demos, often record several shows each week and play them back at their convenience, fast forwarding through the commercials of course. -Dave Tomm On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:11 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 10 Jan 2010 at 23:46, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Jeff Zucker is on record admitting to having made the programming >> commitment to a "DVR-proof" show just when the advertising rate base >> was shifting from live-broadcast-only to plus-three-days. (It turns >> out that, in DVR households, only about 40% of the audience skips the >> commercials even three days later.) > > What makes a program DVR-proof? > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 12:57:29 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:57:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Al Kaprilen on WODS Message-ID: <734440.92979.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's not a full-time gig but he'll be on with Zito and Karen Blake on Fridays. http://www.wods.com/pages/3299827.php From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 11 12:59:34 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:59:34 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Certain shows can be blocked, but most channels don't at this point, We weren't talking about that, and in any case it would not make sense for an advertising-supported network to do that, because the ratings used to price spot time now include DVR viewership. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 6 14:21:59 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) In-Reply-To: <542A8526-901A-4E1C-B1F9-B0DD2709B86B@mac.com> References: <20100104003133.AD41D16C923@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com><8CC5AEF7BDCFD97-143C-8443@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> <542A8526-901A-4E1C-B1F9-B0DD2709B86B@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CC5D1CA69C52B5-1FF0-F3C@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: John Francini >To: raccoonradio@mail.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org; attychase@comcast.net >Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 2:58 am >Subject: Re: Would Clr Chnl take a Boston AM to talk? (Donna Halper) > *-- "We have transited the meridian and entered the afternoon incarnation of he broadcast". Sigh, wish Gene didn't enjoy living in San Fran so much; he'd be elcomed here! When Gene Burns did a fill-in back here in the 10-2 some years back he joked about still having his "meridian" with him in a velvet-lined mahogany case, so that he would be able to take it out at noontime for the daily transit. >j The actual time of day that the sun stops rising and begins its descent is usually NOT at noon by the clock, but depending on whether you're talking about EST or EDST, sometime before or after noon or one pm. In early January, it's at about 11:47 am. = From jscavo@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 9 12:40:32 2010 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (John) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:40:32 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <8CC5F4960E650EB-5088-F9D0@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5F4960E650EB-5088-F9D0@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I picked up HEB-AM a few times back in the late 70's in East Boston! -----Original Message----- From: markwa1ion@aol.com [mailto:markwa1ion@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:47 AM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: WJIB WHEB-750 Portsmouth would have been a "killer" for coverage not only of the southern ME, NH, and MA seacoast down to and including Cape Ann but it also had a spectacularly loud signal on the South Shore and Cape Cod. Signal strength measurements that I took from West Yarmouth in the '70s put its 1 kW ahead of 850's 50 kW and nearly in the same league as 680 and 1030. But a 50 kW in Bangor ? I'm not sure that the expense would be justified for the amount of people served who couldn't get WJTO-730 as well. If it was Bar Harbor instead of more inland Bangor, they'd have a monster signal along the entire New England coast as well as parts of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and all the way south to Montauk Point, Long Island. When St. John, New Brunswick (CHSJ) was on 700, they could be heard all day as far south as Chincoteague, VA ! But Bangor isn't Bar Harbor (or St. John) in terms of sea gain boost. What could be a bit cheaper for Bob would be to scoop up West Yarmouth's 1240 and/or Plymouth's 1390 to provide the Cape Cod area with programming well-matched to its sizeable senior population (who used to have nostalgia music on FM but lost that). Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have expired two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because my source carries a notation that it won't expire until 2029! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > > In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: > > I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would > have blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. > > ----------------------- > Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the time, > I definitely would have. Absolutely! > ---BB >> From joe@scanworcester.com Sun Jan 10 16:31:17 2010 From: joe@scanworcester.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:31:17 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801ca923c$40fb1410$c2f13c30$@com> >From http://www.telegram.com/article/20100110/NEWS/100119994/1116 PASADENA, Calif. - NBC said today that it's waiting to hear if Jay Leno and "Tonight" host Conan O'Brien will accept its new late-night TV plans after the network decided to end the Leno prime-time experiment. NBC decided to pull the plug on the experiment after learning some affiliates were considering dropping the nightly prime-time show. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of cdsull502@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:20 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Stupid Question Has NBC announced what they are going to program at 10 PM instead of Leno? Won't they need more than a month to come up with programs for that time slot? Have they been preparing programs on the sly? Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Jan 11 13:47:31 2010 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:47:31 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0A0FFD6F-41B8-4E26-9D92-1AC305D3F8A3@charter.net> I'm wondering if those ratings are broken down into percentage of views that are live versus DVR'ed, and what demos time shift their viewing. I would think this data exists, since the networks seem to know what percentage of DVR users fast forward through the commercials. If I was an advertiser, and a significant percentage of the audience of a program I buy time on is watching it using a DVR, I'd have to determine if I was getting the best bang for my buck. If my target demos are fast forwarding through my spots, why bother? If enough agencies think this way and find other advertising avenues (and there are plenty of them out there) it could force some networks to rethink if allowing their programs to be DVR'd is a good idea, ratings or not. -Dave Tomm On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> Certain shows can be blocked, but most channels don't at this point, > > We weren't talking about that, and in any case it would not make sense > for an advertising-supported network to do that, because the ratings > used to price spot time now include DVR viewership. > From cohasset@frontiernet.net Mon Jan 11 14:06:48 2010 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:06:48 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <0A0FFD6F-41B8-4E26-9D92-1AC305D3F8A3@charter.net> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <0A0FFD6F-41B8-4E26-9D92-1AC305D3F8A3@charter.net> Message-ID: <923EF430-AC87-4D9F-8879-95595EAE268E@frontiernet.net> On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Dave Tomm wrote: > I'm wondering if those ratings are broken down into percentage of views that are live versus DVR'ed, and what demos time shift their viewing. I would think this data exists, since the networks seem to know what percentage of DVR users fast forward through the commercials. If I was an advertiser, and a significant percentage of the audience of a program I buy time on is watching it using a DVR, I'd have to determine if I was getting the best bang for my buck. If my target demos are fast forwarding through my spots, why bother? Back in the good ol' days, before DVRs, my family and I used to use the commercial breaks in prime time shows for quick runs to the kitchen and/or the bathroom, or to check on the kids, or....etc. So advertisers who paid for spots in those time slots were wasting their money in our household, at least. Now, with the DVR, even if I fast forward through commercial breaks, I am still seeing the commercials -- they're just speeded up a bit. Further, they're preserved for multiple viewings, depending on how long I've opted to keep each program I "taped". So while advertisers may see DVRs as cutting into the effectiveness of their ads, I'd have to say that's not clear cut in our house. Of course, we're not getting any of the audio message contained in the ads, but I never did when I was in the bathroom, either.... Bud Hippisley From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 11 14:33:47 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:33:47 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <923EF430-AC87-4D9F-8879-95595EAE268E@frontiernet.net> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <0A0FFD6F-41B8-4E26-9D92-1AC305D3F8A3@charter.net> <923EF430-AC87-4D9F-8879-95595EAE268E@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <19275.32027.930408.231230@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: [Somehow I didn't see Dave's message, so I'm going to tag on to Bud's reply instead...] > On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Dave Tomm wrote: >> I'm wondering if those ratings are broken down into percentage of >> views that are live versus DVR'ed, and what demos time shift their >> viewing. I would think this data exists, since the networks seem >> to know what percentage of DVR users fast forward through the >> commercials. If I was an advertiser, and a significant percentage >> of the audience of a program I buy time on is watching it using a >> DVR, I'd have to determine if I was getting the best bang for my >> buck. If my target demos are fast forwarding through my spots, why >> bother? The DVR ratings include only the commercials, not the actual program content. I'm certain that, for the right price, agencies can find out the specific commercials which were not skipped and by whom -- TiVo definitely tracks this information. This was covered on "On the Media" a few months ago -- it's well worth seeking out that story again. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:31:10 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:31:10 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <923EF430-AC87-4D9F-8879-95595EAE268E@frontiernet.net> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com> <4B4AAA7E.2090407@ttlc.net> <19274.44338.685789.831297@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com> <19275.26374.466243.566005@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <0A0FFD6F-41B8-4E26-9D92-1AC305D3F8A3@charter.net> <923EF430-AC87-4D9F-8879-95595EAE268E@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4B4B8A8E.5000909@gmail.com> Bud wrote: > Back in the good ol' days, before DVRs, my family and I used to use the commercial breaks in prime time shows for quick runs to the kitchen and/or the bathroom, or to check on the kids, or....etc. So advertisers who paid for spots in those time slots were wasting their money in our household, at least. Look on the bright side. For the green-minded, think of how much less toilet flushing is going on every ten minutes in America now that real-time viewing is on the wane. No intermittent six-inch drops in the river (or lake) levels. As for DVR, when we were Dish customers, the fwd is in 30 second bites so there was no fast-fwd viewing. On replays, however, some spots did sneak through but likely that we were so unfazed by the spots that we didn't even notice they were airing. Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:03:13 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:03:13 -0600 Subject: Kicks 105.5/Y105 Danbury Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001111403m4870d739i4a1a892d5532f18b@mail.gmail.com> Did anyone get audio of the flip wether an off air recording or recorded from the webstream? I was at work and literally on the air when the flip happened so I couldnt listen. If someone could email me a clip or share a lnik, I'd appreciate it -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:03:13 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:03:13 -0600 Subject: Kicks 105.5/Y105 Danbury Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001111403m4870d739i4a1a892d5532f18b@mail.gmail.com> Did anyone get audio of the flip wether an off air recording or recorded from the webstream? I was at work and literally on the air when the flip happened so I couldnt listen. If someone could email me a clip or share a lnik, I'd appreciate it -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 11 23:59:48 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:48 -0500 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com>, <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <4B4C01C4.563.5C852A5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Jan 2010 at 5:06, Dave Tomm wrote: > Certain shows can be blocked, but most channels don't at this point, > fearing a backlash from viewers. The only time I've seen it is with > certain HBO specials. I tried to DVR the last Robin Williams special > and it didn't take. I tried another show on that channel and it > worked fine. My guess is that you may see more DVR blocking in the > future, as many viewers, particularly in the younger demos, often > record several shows each week and play them back at their > convenience, fast forwarding through the commercials of course. Maybe VCRs will have a comeback. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 12 08:42:07 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:42:07 -0600 Subject: Catch me on the radio in New England.... Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001120542m356ceb3eh55e851331691c840@mail.gmail.com> I am now on Sunday mornings 6 till 10am at Cool Country 940 WGFP Webster/Worcester, Masschusetts. I may be adding Saturday mornings in the very near future. Join the Cool Country 940 Facebook group at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Webster-MA/Cool-Country-940-WGFP/194486203332?ref=ts We're eventually going to have contests for only those who are Facebook friends of Cool Country 940 WGFP! There are some talks about possibly streaming the station down the line. I may be comnig to a 2nd radio station, a bit further south in Southern New England. Ain't TECHNOLOGY grand? Ok, I know that was kinda a shameless plug.. but I've never had a "regular" shift on the radio in New England, so it's kinda cool to me! (Plus, my parents can actually hear me WITHOUT having to use a COMPUTER!!) Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Jan 12 07:51:31 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:31 -0700 Subject: Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <4B4C01C4.563.5C852A5@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <56aa.7f74be76.387b906b@aol.com>, <4B4AB2F7.7821.AC819F@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4B4C01C4.563.5C852A5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC552D9B5C29@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "Maybe VCRs will have a comeback." There are VCRs out there, but since the digital-TV labeling law took effect they're being sold without tuners (analog TV tuners being obsolete at this point, and 256QAM tuners probably not meeting a desirable price point). So, you'd need a STB in front of them. They gotcha coming and going. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From tvnetdude@aol.com Tue Jan 12 14:41:29 2010 From: tvnetdude@aol.com (tvnetdude@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:41:29 EST Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston Message-ID: New Age Media has announced an agreement with ShootingStar Broadcasting of New England, licensee of WZMY, the My Network TV affiliate in Boston. The three-year agreement calls for New Age Media to manage all aspects of the stations operations. WZMY, which was the original "MyTV" station prior to the launch of MNT, became one of the charter members of the MNT affiliate group when the network launched in 2006. _http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/01/11/daily.15/_ (http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/01/11/daily.15/) Mike Hemeon From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 12 15:32:54 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:32:54 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:41 PM -0500 1/12/10, tvnetdude@aol.com wrote: > >New Age Media has announced an agreement with ShootingStar Broadcasting of >New England, licensee of WZMY, the My Network TV affiliate in Boston. The >three-year agreement calls for New Age Media to manage all aspects of the >stations operations. >WZMY, which was the original "MyTV" station prior to the launch of MNT, >became one of the charter members of the MNT affiliate group when the network >launched in 2006. >_http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/01/11/daily.15/_ >(http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/01/11/daily.15/) >Mike Hemeon Of course outsourcing such as this can be a form of union-busting. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 12 16:52:06 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:52:06 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> > New Age Media has announced an agreement with ShootingStar Broadcasting > of > New England, licensee of WZMY, the My Network TV affiliate in Boston. > The > three-year agreement calls for New Age Media to manage all aspects of > the > stations operations. > WZMY, which was the original "MyTV" station prior to the launch of MNT, > became one of the charter members of the MNT affiliate group when the > network > launched in 2006. It appears that this has already happened. When I sent an email to one of the addresses on WZMY's website, expressing my displeasure of them getting rid of Al Kaprielian, the reply I got came from someone at New Age Media in Westbrook, ME. This is where WPME (My TV) and WPXT (The CW) operate from. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 12 17:15:41 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:15:41 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> References: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> Message-ID: <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > It appears that this has already happened. When I sent an email to one of > the addresses on WZMY's website, expressing my displeasure of them getting > rid of Al Kaprielian, the reply I got came from someone at New Age Media in > Westbrook, ME. This is where WPME (My TV) and WPXT (The CW) operate from. Can someone explain why, when the FCC map shows decent over-the-air coverage for WZMY-TV... ...that many have complained about the terrible reception from them on channel 35? Paul From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 12 17:20:08 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:20:08 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> References: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> Message-ID: <002501ca93d5$66a13b00$33e3b100$@net> > Can someone explain why, when the FCC map shows decent over-the-air > coverage for WZMY-TV... > > > > ...that many have complained about the terrible reception from them on > channel 35? The maps for TV stations on the FCC website always seemed to me to be generous. In most cases, stations don't have nearly the kind of coverage that those maps suggest. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 12 17:23:05 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:23:05 -0600 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: <002501ca93d5$66a13b00$33e3b100$@net> References: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> <002501ca93d5$66a13b00$33e3b100$@net> Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001121423s788a1878ofa26a5f228c2d047@mail.gmail.com> Question, would a 41dbu signal strength on a TV coverage map be the same as a 41dbu with FM? Paul On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >> Can someone explain why, when the FCC map shows decent over-the-air >> coverage for WZMY-TV... >> >> ? ? >> >> ...that many have complained about the terrible reception from them on >> channel 35? > > The maps for TV stations on the FCC website always seemed to me to be > generous. In most cases, stations don't have nearly the kind of coverage > that those maps suggest. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 12 18:02:55 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:02:55 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> References: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> Message-ID: <19276.65439.409609.629592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Can someone explain why, when the FCC map shows decent over-the-air > coverage for WZMY-TV... > > ...that many have complained about the terrible reception from them > on channel 35? The FCC used greatly over-optimistic assumptions in making its coverage predictions. (Such as, for example, that OTA viewers all had roof-mounted outdoor antennas at least 30 feet above local terrain.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:14:46 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:46 -0600 Subject: Will Conan walk tonight? Message-ID: <4fc429771001121614r238e3e6egbb9574c033e73d27@mail.gmail.com> Strong rumors out of Universal City is that Conan may pull a Jack Paar tonight and just walk away. He is not a happy camper today http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-do-tonight-show-following-leno/?hp NBC may have an out but it would be radical. Give local the 10 PM slot, Leno at 11 and Conan at 11:35. That would keep NBC in complience with Conan's contract. From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 12 20:29:58 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:29:58 -0500 Subject: Will Conan walk tonight? In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001121614r238e3e6egbb9574c033e73d27@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429771001121614r238e3e6egbb9574c033e73d27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KW5002OCW3KPN40@asmtp012.mac.com> Since Conan's show is recorded in the late afternoon (Pacific Time), there would not be the oportunity to walk out on live TV. If he does walk out probably the only indication will be that NBC will air a repeat show. At 07:14 PM 1/12/2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Strong rumors out of Universal City is that Conan may pull a Jack Paar >tonight and just walk away. > >He is not a happy camper today > >http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-do-tonight-show-following-leno/?hp > >NBC may have an out but it would be radical. > >Give local the 10 PM slot, Leno at 11 and Conan at 11:35. That would >keep NBC in complience with Conan's contract. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 12 20:43:16 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:43:16 -0500 Subject: New Age Media To Run WZMY Boston In-Reply-To: <19276.65439.409609.629592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <002401ca93d1$7bc6e240$7354a6c0$@net> <897D848B-8552-4266-A5C1-848999D782A8@charter.net> <19276.65439.409609.629592@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8B2E607D-F3A7-44C6-BD50-179DBED1CA6E@charter.net> On Jan 12, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The FCC used greatly over-optimistic assumptions in making its > coverage predictions. (Such as, for example, that OTA viewers all had > roof-mounted outdoor antennas at least 30 feet above local terrain.) I recently saw an old picture of my family visiting relatives in Bethlehem PA. Every house in the picture has a huge roof-mounted antenna! Their service was all UHF. It was the first time I'd ever heard of channel numbers above 13. I bet if anybody still has one of those antennas up and working, they'd get great digital TV reception! WENH's coverage area seems similar, but they're running 30 kW on channel 11. WZMY-TV is running 7.3 kW on channel 35. There's no way their two coverage areas could be in any way similar. In fact, WSBK-TV's coverage area seems similar, too, and they're running 135 kW on channel 39 from a greater HAAT. So it seems there's more than the FCC's overly optimistic assumption here. Paul From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 14 03:52:20 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:52:20 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April Message-ID: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1225484&format=&page=2&listingType=media The Herald and also http://www.bostonradiowatch.com confirm Clear Channel will launch News Talk 1200, WXKS (note call change) in April. It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO deal expires. There are also plans for local hosts and a news department. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 14 04:02:39 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:02:39 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 03:52 AM 1/14/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO deal expires. There are also plans for local >hosts and a news department. Wow, Clear Channel once again shows its true colours-- the biggest donors to Republican causes (including to President Bush back when he was running) have been the Mays Family, owners of Clear Channel. And boy howdy, we just don't have enough conservative talkers on the air, do we? :-\ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 14 06:19:54 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:19:54 -0600 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001140319h7fc530aamb648af48a11e84f9@mail.gmail.com> SO, I assume if 1200 is going to become WXKS, 1430 will become WKOX? What will 1430 program? -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:52 AM, wrote: > > > > ?http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1225484&format=&page=2&listingType=media > > The Herald and also http://www.bostonradiowatch.com confirm Clear Channel will launch News Talk 1200, WXKS (note call change) in April. It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere > lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO deal expires. There are also plans for local hosts and a news department. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 14 06:56:23 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:56:23 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe81001140319h7fc530aamb648af48a11e84f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <331A655166F64C439709FA5732E2FB2F@SatU205S5044> That's what I guess, too. Since we both guess the same thing, I think we can actually say that your guess is as good as mine. And since, over the past few years, the WKOX calls have become associated with the Rumba SS music format, it seems likely that those calls, along with Rumba, will return to 1430, replacing the slightly mellower Mia format that has been running on 1430 for a few months. Now, if something--such as a simulcast (even a nighttime-only simulcast) with WAZN 1470--could be done to make 1430 listenable outside of Everett at night, the station might even become viable. Another possibility for 1430 or 1430/1470 would be ESPN Deportes. Since CCU is unlikely to be willing (or even able) to spend cash to buy 1470 from MRBI, could the two outfits put together an LMA, wherein CCU would LMA 1470 (even just nighttimes) or MRBI would LMA 1430? With a nighttime-only deal, the Russian-language programming could continue on 1470 during daylight hours. I don't know whether that programming is enough to put 1470 into the black for MRBI but the combination of two LMAs might do it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April SO, I assume if 1200 is going to become WXKS, 1430 will become WKOX? What will 1430 program? -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:52 AM, wrote: > > > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1225484&format=&page=2&listingType=media > > The Herald and also http://www.bostonradiowatch.com confirm Clear > Channel will launch News Talk 1200, WXKS (note call change) in > April. It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere > lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO > deal expires. There are also plans for local hosts and a news > department. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 14 10:55:11 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:55:11 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> No idea if they'd consider putting Premiere's Randi Rhodes on. CC wants to air the ads on its talkers, and get the talkers on air here. Surprised it took so long. Prog talk fans were hoping that the 1200 power increase would have happened in time to save the format--they ditched progtalk in Dec of 06 but the increase wasn't till last spring. Conservative talk has tended to work even though CC gave progtalk a try on several stations before switching to such things as sports in New Haven and conservatalk in Providence. As I have said before it may appeal to middle aged or older people who may be partially or totally conservative, perhaps people like me who may be liberal or moderate on a couple social issues but to the right on fiscal, military/foreign policy, immigration, crime and punishment, and so on The "it succeeds because it's entertaining" argument leads some to say that well, left leaning talk can be that way, too, but it depends on the audience. Is Jeff Santos the same kind of entertainer Howie Carr is? Is Stephanie Miller as funny as Glenn Beck and vice versa? Depends on whom you ask. Were Santos and S. Miller to be on RKO and Carr to be on WWZN, how would the ratings be affected? Or are liberal talk radio listeners preferring news-talk on the likes of WBUR and WGBH, or music? It's also weird to see that in this part of the country the political dominance is by Democrats yet libtalk radio is in the minority (or is it? Eagan and Braude, Leveille, GBH/BUR? And while Dennis and Callahan are known to be conservative when they get into politics, I have heard that WBZ-FM's Toucher and Rich may be a liberal counterbalance) And even if a talk host leans one way that doesn't necessarily mean "the other side" is shut out of the conversation. I have to praise WBZ's Dan Rea who tries to cover both./all sides of the issue in the guests he books, and he invites callers to express their opinions as long as they're civil and have a conversation ("I don't care what you're thinking just as long as you are thinking"). Basically the big radio corporations want to put on what they think will get ratings and billing (note btw that when WBZ brought Leveille back it was not just listeners but SPONSORS who stepped up to the plate) and CC has money in mind. Getting their own Premiere shows aired was a major consideration (and again, who knows, would they consider Rhodes or do they feel having a liberal show on would spoil the mix?) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Halper To: raccoonradio@mail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:02 am Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April At 03:52 AM 1/14/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO deal expires. There are also plans for local >hosts and a news department. Wow, Clear Channel once again shows its true colours-- the biggest donors to Republican causes (including to President Bush back when he was running) have been the Mays Family, owners of Clear Channel. And boy howdy, we just don't have enough conservative talkers on the air, do we? :-\ From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 14 11:15:57 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:15:57 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I was typing my email when raccoon's email came in. He beat me to the punch... Clear Channel (under a different ownership structure, but with the Mays in a prominent position) picked up Air America in 2004. That didn't work out so well ratings-wise, prompting the change to Rumba in '06. So it looks like their motivations are purely financial. Although there are a number of talk stations in Boston, the two majors - RKO and TKK fill a lot of their day with locally generated programming. This leaves some other "big" names such as Hannity and Beck with no Boston outlet. Beck is carried on CC's TAG in Worcester and is relegated to Saturday nights on RKO. The closest Hannity gets is a few 5KW stations in Fitchburg, Providence, and Rochester, NH. So it makes sense for Clear Channel to create an outlet for their PRN properties in Boston. Being able to pull the rug out from under RKO in the 12-3 slot is icing on the cake. It sure looks like they plan on making the now-50KW 1200 signal a contender in the Boston market. -Bob On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:55 AM, wrote: > > No idea if they'd consider putting Premiere's Randi Rhodes on. CC wants to > air the ads on its talkers, and get the talkers on air here. Surprised it > took so long. Prog talk fans were hoping that the 1200 power increase would > have happened in time to save the format--they ditched progtalk in Dec of 06 > but the increase wasn't till last spring. > > Conservative talk has tended to work even though CC gave progtalk a try on > several stations before switching to such things as sports in New Haven and > conservatalk in Providence. As I have said before it may appeal to middle > aged or older people who may be partially or totally conservative, perhaps > people like me who may be liberal or moderate on a couple social issues but > to the right on fiscal, military/foreign policy, immigration, crime and > punishment, and so on > > The "it succeeds because it's entertaining" argument leads some to say that > well, left leaning talk can be that way, too, but it depends on the > audience. Is Jeff Santos the same kind of entertainer Howie Carr is? Is > Stephanie Miller as funny as Glenn Beck and vice versa? Depends on whom you > ask. Were Santos and S. Miller to be on RKO and Carr to be on WWZN, how > would the ratings be affected? > > Or are liberal talk radio listeners preferring news-talk on the likes of > WBUR and WGBH, or music? > > It's also weird to see that in this part of the country the political > dominance is by Democrats yet libtalk radio is in the minority (or is it? > Eagan and Braude, Leveille, GBH/BUR? And while Dennis and Callahan are known > to be conservative when they get into politics, I have heard that WBZ-FM's > Toucher and Rich may be a liberal counterbalance) > > And even if a talk host leans one way that doesn't necessarily mean "the > other side" is shut out of the conversation. I have to praise WBZ's Dan Rea > who tries to cover both./all sides of the issue in the guests he books, and > he invites callers to express their opinions as long as they're civil and > have a conversation ("I don't care what you're thinking just as long as you > are thinking"). > > Basically the big radio corporations want to put on what they think will > get ratings and billing > (note btw that when WBZ brought Leveille back it was not just listeners but > SPONSORS who stepped up to the plate) and CC has money in mind. Getting > their own Premiere shows aired was a major consideration (and again, who > knows, would they consider Rhodes or do they feel having a liberal show on > would spoil the mix?) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Halper > To: raccoonradio@mail.com; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:02 am > Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April > > > At 03:52 AM 1/14/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > > > It will feature conservative talkers from the Premiere lineup, > eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO deal expires. > There are also plans for local >hosts and a news department. > > Wow, Clear Channel once again shows its true colours-- the biggest donors > to Republican causes (including to President Bush back when he was running) > have been the Mays Family, owners of Clear Channel. And boy howdy, we just > don't have enough conservative talkers on the air, do we? :-\ > > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jan 14 11:21:40 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:21:40 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com><20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5FF37C81F5B34116A7695A59F26E9E9B@fs.uml.edu> *Or are liberal talk radio listeners preferring news-talk on the likes of WBUR and WGBH, or music?* I think you've hit on an important factor. Most commercial stations would be proud to earn the ratings that WBUR manages to snag. Some cities have public radio outlets that do a good job on news and information. In some cities, however, the public radio station mostly plays music (as WGBH was doing). It would be interesting to know if the cities where commercial progressive talk has been successful are also the cities where there is *no* strong news/talk presence on the public radio station(s). I can easily understand why a WBUR listener would not automatically jump over to a commercial progressive talk station: although both may be "liberal" or "progressive" in their outlook, the commercial station needs to infuse a good bit of "entertainment" as well, which may turn-off listeners used to a more serious format. I love Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz, but they certainly would not fit in with an NPR type news/talk format. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Jan 14 11:23:00 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:23:00 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <5FF37C81F5B34116A7695A59F26E9E9B@fs.uml.edu> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> <5FF37C81F5B34116A7695A59F26E9E9B@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: The commercial station also has to infuse a lot of pesky commercials, whereas, aside from pledge drives, NPR/WBUR is a lot less annoying to listen to. I wonder if a non-comm station were to air conservative talk how this would affect the commercial ventures. -Bob On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > > > *Or are liberal talk radio listeners preferring news-talk on the likes of > WBUR and WGBH, or music?* > > > I think you've hit on an important factor. Most commercial stations would > be > proud to earn the ratings that WBUR manages to snag. Some cities have > public > radio outlets that do a good job on news and information. In some cities, > however, the public radio station mostly plays music (as WGBH was doing). > It > would be interesting to know if the cities where commercial progressive > talk > has been successful are also the cities where there is *no* strong > news/talk > presence on the public radio station(s). I can easily understand why a WBUR > listener would not automatically jump over to a commercial progressive talk > station: although both may be "liberal" or "progressive" in their outlook, > the commercial station needs to infuse a good bit of "entertainment" as > well, which may turn-off listeners used to a more serious format. I love > Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz, but they certainly would not fit in with > an > NPR type news/talk format. > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 14 11:36:56 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:36:56 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com><20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Conservative talk has a proven track record. It reflects the views of a large group of AM listeners (older, white, largely suburban, middle-class, and upper middle class), nearly all radio execs, and nearly all sponsors--both national and local. Progressive talk, OTOH, reflects the views of hardly anybody in these groups. The fascinating thing is that the average age of conservative-talk listeners would make the format anathema to time buyers were it not for the fact that the radical-right views expressed on the programs strike such a responsive chord with advertisers and radio execs. Which proves that if you spew the kind of hate that radio execs and advertisers embrace, the average age of the listeners magically stops mattering! Also, I think that many advertisers and radio execs embrace conservative talk simply because they feel that it may swing elections in favor of their favorite candidates. Even if nobody votes for radical-right candidates because of conservative talk radio (and I think that many people do), few advertisers and radio execs are willing to risk not giving radical-right views the largest possible exposure--especially in election years. So I guess that, to the other problems with radio execs and advertisers, we can add extreme hypocrisy. And what else is new? Also, so much for the liberal bias of mainstream media. What a complete, total, unadulterated crock! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April Conservative talk has tended to work even though CC gave progtalk a try on several stations before switching to such things as sports in New Haven and conservatalk in Providence. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Jan 14 11:39:54 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:39:54 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April Message-ID: <20100114113954.zgtsia364740gsss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> This in itself is an interesting development, but I think it also gives rise to the question of where Howie will go when his contract with WRKO runs out. He certainly makes no bones --- even on the air --- of being less than happy there. If Howie goes elsewhere, will his regional "network" continue? -Doug Quoting raccoonradio@mail.com: > > > > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1225484&format=&page=2&listingType=media > > The Herald and also http://www.bostonradiowatch.com confirm Clear > Channel will > launch News Talk 1200, WXKS (note call change) in April. It will feature > conservative talkers from the Premiere > lineup, eventually; Hannity, Beck, even Rush perhaps when the WRKO > deal expires. > There are also plans for local hosts and a news department. > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 14 12:09:56 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:09:56 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April References: <20100114113954.zgtsia364740gsss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <5C980CA6E472450CBB8076EDDEA0B237@SatU205S5044> I have a feeling that if Carr were working for people he liked, his constant whining about WRKO's poor coverage of MetroWest during the last few hours of his program during winter months would stop. If CCU offers him more money than GM will, he probably will stop whining. OTOH, I don't think Entercom can offer him enough $$$ to stop him from whining. He will, however, need to convince CCU that the combination of good $$$ and congenial (read as "subservient") colleagues (maybe sweetened with a continuation of the deal with WCRN) will stop him from mailing in his program and send him back to work. I suspect that another thing that would sweeten the deal for him would be AM drive instead of PM drive. Would WCRN carry an out-of-market AM drive show? I would guess yeah--if it helped to keep the lights on. Putting Carr in AM drive would solve a problem for CCU. They must want to air Hannity live on the new WXKS (AM). Can't do that if Carr is on in PM drive. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "=?utf-8?b??=" ; "=?utf-8?b??=" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April > This in itself is an interesting development, but I think it also > gives rise to the question of where Howie will go when his contract > with WRKO runs out. He certainly makes no bones --- even on the > air --- of being less than happy there. If Howie goes elsewhere, > will his regional "network" continue? -Doug > From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Jan 14 12:34:43 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <5C980CA6E472450CBB8076EDDEA0B237@SatU205S5044> References: <20100114113954.zgtsia364740gsss@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <5C980CA6E472450CBB8076EDDEA0B237@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4F1F3E2D-38AC-42C6-8A3E-CB4DE8FAB315@charter.net> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I have a feeling that if Carr were working for people he liked, his > constant whining about WRKO's poor coverage of MetroWest during the > last few hours of his program during winter months would stop. If CCU > offers him more money than GM will, he probably will stop whining. Even though 1200 offers worse MetroWest coverage than 680? Paul From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 14 12:48:47 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:48:47 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100114174851.D90D721281A8@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> >you wrote-- > >Or are liberal talk radio listeners preferring news-talk on the >likes of WBUR and WGBH, or music? I found your analysis very insightful, although I don't entirely agree. I find that while Dan Rea might give people with diverse views a chance to be heard, as his predecessors Brudnoy and Sullivan did, Rea's ideological views are often a collection of the most cherished conservative talking points, and his right-leaning views permeate everything he says. (On the other hand, and in fairness, he seems to be a moderate rightie and leans liberal on some social issues. I can respect that.) But some of the hosts whom you say are "liberal" are actually closer to being moderates, not that there's anything wrong with that. There are few identifiably liberal/progressive talkers on major signals, and the one talk station progressives have is leased-time and has absolutely no promotion. Even many progressives don't know it's there. As I have pointed out, liberal talkers like Ed Schultz and Thom Harmann are experienced radio guys who know how to be interesting and not just polemical. Both get some pretty respectable ratings in a number of markets, and both have won awards from the right-leaning Talkers Magazine. And sponsor-wise, both sell their own time (they have sales managers to do it), so both shows are profitable, as is Stephanie Miller's show. But you are definitely on to something in the sentence I snipped from your post -- it's not that leftie listeners prefer to listen to WBUR or WGBH. Surveys have shown repeatedly that lefties are more diverse (as in, more spread out) in their listening patterns. Unlike rightie listeners who often tend to be "true believers" and want all their news and commentary from one source, preferably one that shares their worldview, those who identify as liberals tend to not just listen to commentators, but also to whoever has the most thorough news, a variety of interesting commentary, and other kinds of programming. The leftie listeners are thus not "married" to listening to only progressive talkers; as a result, they don't listen as long, nor in as large numbers as rightie talk radio fans. I am not saying one is good and the other is bad, btw. I am simply saying that having a successful progressive talk station is a lot more difficult because leftie listeners tend to prefer (gasp) nuance. Rightie owners like Clear Channel know they can get large audiences by putting hosts who have lots of conspiracy theories or who rant endlessly about the evil lib-rulls and make totally disproven assertions about them on the air (thank heavens for fact-checking websites like snopes.com and factcheck.org), hosts who keep telling the audience that their fears are justified about the mythical "communists and socialists" who are alleged to be taking over America. It has worked for more than 20 years (and the idea that commies are on the march everywhere was a staple of the McCarthy era too); since it's so successful, I don't expect it to stop any time soon. Research shows that large numbers of rightie talk radio fans are people who feel angry, frustrated, and otherwise aggrieved, who believe that there is a "liberal media" (which, in reality, there is not) and that only Limbaugh or Hannity or Severin or Carr tell the truth. They believe they are losing "their" country, and the best of the rightie talkers know how to inflame those emotions while reinforcing those beliefs. Leftie listeners are certainly listening to have their beliefs reinforced, but in survey after survey, it's found that lefties don't just trust talk shows-- they get their news and information from a wide range of sources, so they don't listen as long or as passionately as the rightie listeners do. That makes it much harder to get the huge numbers on the left that talk shows on the right are able to get even with weak hosts-- not everyone is as well-known or talented as Limbaugh, but rightie listeners tend to be fiercely loyal to their favorite hosts and listen to them for hours. Even though righties have had many more years to perfect the talk radio format, I still think there are some interesting and compelling leftie talkers. Ed Schultz has gotten some good numbers on both his radio show and his TV show, and we all know about the success of Rachel Maddow on both radio and TV. Both of these hosts even have some righties who sample them-- I've seen some of Ed's research and it's about 10-15% righties in his audience, due in large part to his being more of a populist. But for the most part, rightie listeners don't sample shows from the opposite side the way you do, sir. Most rightie listeners prefer to devote their time to only rightie talk radio, and I don't expect that to change. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 14 12:51:58 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:51:58 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100114175202.B80A1212834C@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 11:15 AM 1/14/2010, Bob DeMattia wrote: >I was typing my email when raccoon's email came in. He beat me to >the punch... > >Clear Channel (under a different ownership structure, but with the >Mays in a prominent position) picked up >Air America in 2004. That didn't work out so well ratings-wise, Umm, put any format on a station with a weak signal, give it NO promotion and hire no local staff for the first year it's on the air, and I suggest you will fail no matter what format you have. Also, Clear Channel didn't put "Air America" on. Most of the talkers they used came from the Jones Radio Network (today Dial Global), ALL of whom are stable and profitable in other markets. Boston was a temporary stop-gap for CC, which has always put its progressive talkers on its worst signals. Now, I am not claiming a progressive talk format will get huge numbers, for reasons I just outlined in another post, but I do believe CC didn't give the station what it needed to get any traction. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jan 14 17:41:24 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:41:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: NECN HD Message-ID: <398476.25639.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> NECN's HD channel is now up and running on Comcast channel 810. It's a soft launch as the official start is Monday. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 14 23:36:08 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:36:08 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>, <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B4FF0B8.13242.38449A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Jan 2010 at 10:55, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > It's also weird to see that in this part of the country the political > dominance is by Democrats yet libtalk radio is in the minority (or is > it? Not really surprising, given the corporate interests that own almost all of the radio stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 15 03:53:41 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:53:41 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <20100114174851.D90D721281A8@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com><20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> <20100114174851.D90D721281A8@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC63D75ECEF985-E10-8871@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Tonight on Ch 4's segment with Jon Keller, Howie Carr was quoted as saying he felt about 15 per cent of his audience is liberal (you gave a similar number of conservatives listening to prog talk IIRC)...the topic was why Martha Coakley wasn't doing daily phone ins or studio appearances on local talk shows the way Scott Brown has been doing. Howie: "when that phone don't ring..." he'll know it's Martha; supposedly they have tried to get her on but she refuses, etc. Who knows if it would sway the election, but one would think either she's too busy or she doesn't want to deal with someone on the other side like Howie. For the record, I think Dan Rea will have the AG on during his first hour tonight and Rea had moderated a debate between the two on WBZ. >>Rea's ideological views are often a collection of the most cherishedconservative talking points, and his right-leaning views permeateeverything he says. (On the other hand, and in fairness, he seemsto be a moderate rightie and leans liberal on some social issues. Ican respect that.) Some talk hosts like Phil Hendrie are the same way. >>Both get some pretty respectable ratings in a number of markets, and bothhave won awards from the right-leaning Talkers Magazine. Andsponsor-wise, both sell their own time (they have sales managers to doit), so both shows are profitable, as is Stephanie Miller'sshow. If Clear Channel, Entercom, or Greater Media felt they would succeed, they'd be on the new WXKS, RKO, or WTKK. This is their call. >>Unlikerightie listeners who often tend to be "true believers" andwant all their news and commentary from one source Aren't some or many liberals the same way? I would expect extremists on both sides--Malloy, Savage etc From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 15 04:13:04 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:13:04 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <8CC63D75ECEF985-E10-8871@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> <20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> <20100114174851.D90D721281A8@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC63D75ECEF985-E10-8871@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100115091310.943BEE21658@relay2.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> >you wrote-- >If Clear Channel, Entercom, or Greater Media felt they would >succeed, they'd be on the new WXKS, >RKO, or WTKK. This is their call. It's their call, but it's about ideology rather than whether a progressive host could succeed-- there are progressive hosts who already have succeeded on a couple of CC stations. But the one guy who championed progressive talk (even though he personally was a moderate rightie), Gabe Hobbs, got laid off by CC last year. Without Gabe, I doubt you'll see many progressive talkers on CC stations with good signals. CC has made its name with right-wing talk, and I expect they'll stay with it-- if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >I said-- > >>Unlike rightie listeners who often tend to be "true believers" > and want all their news and commentary from one source > >and you replied- >Aren't some or many liberals the same way? Actually no. While liberals do in fact like to listen to media sources they consider friendly, research shows that liberals are as likely to rely on blogs or liberal websites as they are to rely on a progressive radio show. Liberals just don't listen exclusively to talk radio, nor do they listen with as much passionate devotion-- they use a multi-media approach to get information, news, etc. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 17:18:38 2010 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Staffed newsrooms after AM-Drive? In-Reply-To: <8CC63D75ECEF985-E10-8871@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <860287.76671.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Curious.... Outside of WBZ & WBUR....are there any stations in Boston that still have a staffed newsroom after morning drive? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 16 17:20:03 2010 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:20:03 -0500 Subject: WTAG Worcester Open House Message-ID: <000601ca96fa$1052e960$30f8bc20$@com> Many thanks to Dan Kelleher for arranging and inviting us to the WTAG transmitter open house today. Here's a link to the photos that I took while there. I hope that all enjoy! http://picasaweb.google.com/brian.vita/101016WTAGWorcesterTour?feat=directli nk Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Jan 18 07:41:11 2010 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:41:11 -0500 Subject: Bob Gamere To Be Sentenced Message-ID: <9E1850D2CD6E47A8980BBABEE715196D@YOURbcbbe822ed> No matter what you thought of him, this is a sad ending. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1226331&chkEm=1 From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 19 06:53:22 2010 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:53:22 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April Message-ID: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> Mark Levin hinted last night that he might soon be on a Boston station, but said he couldn't give details. I bet WXKS 1200 will be simulcasted on a WXKS-FM HD channel. CC in New Haven just started simulcasting WELI's talk format on WKCI-FM HD3. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Jan 19 08:24:42 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:24:42 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> Message-ID: . ". I bet WXKS 1200 will be simulcasted on a WXKS-FM HD channel." I was wondering about that. I haven't been able to get WXKS-FM HD2 lately, and I was speculating whether they were planning something new. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 19 11:47:57 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:47:57 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> Message-ID: ...and yet they don't carry WTAG on one of the WSRS subchannels. Perhaps they think that the 94.9 translator has them covered. My unscientific observations are that WSRS-HD1 has better coverage than 94.9, at least to the east side of Worcester. -Bob On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > . > ". ?I bet WXKS 1200 will be simulcasted on a > WXKS-FM HD channel." > > I was wondering about that. I haven't been able to get WXKS-FM HD2 lately, > and I was speculating whether they were planning something new. > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 19 11:58:47 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:58:47 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> Message-ID: <179D9310-AB75-4DE8-9315-C8018F0391CE@comcast.net> Actually 94.9 sends almost nothing to the west. It's on a beam aimed southeast from Paxton. It's funny how WELI just showed up on 101.3-3. On Saturday at the WTAG tour, a few of us were saying that it would be a good idea if CC started to do this. The specific example we were talking about was putting 920 WHJJ on the HD3 of one of their 3 Providence FMs. Jeff Lehmann On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > ...and yet they don't carry WTAG on one of the WSRS subchannels. > Perhaps they > think that the 94.9 translator has them covered. My unscientific > observations are that > WSRS-HD1 has better coverage than 94.9, at least to the east side of > Worcester. > > -Bob > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jim Hall > wrote: >> . >> ". I bet WXKS 1200 will be simulcasted on a >> WXKS-FM HD channel." >> >> I was wondering about that. I haven't been able to get WXKS-FM HD2 >> lately, >> and I was speculating whether they were planning something new. >> >> From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 19 12:05:15 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:05:15 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <179D9310-AB75-4DE8-9315-C8018F0391CE@comcast.net> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <179D9310-AB75-4DE8-9315-C8018F0391CE@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes, 94.9 has a directional pattern, I imagine to avoid issues with WHOM. It goes to about Marlborough then it starts having a battle with WHOM (with neither one actually winning). CC has had discussions about TAG being carried on a subchannel - the folks at the station would probably love it, but so far the corporate management doesn't agree. Bob On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Actually 94.9 sends almost nothing to the west. It's on a beam aimed > southeast from Paxton. > > It's funny how WELI just showed up on 101.3-3. On Saturday at the WTAG tour, > a few of us were saying that it would be a good idea if CC started to do > this. The specific example we were talking about was putting 920 WHJJ on the > HD3 of one of their 3 Providence FMs. > > Jeff Lehmann > > > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > >> ...and yet they don't carry WTAG on one of the WSRS subchannels. ?Perhaps >> they >> think that the 94.9 translator has them covered. ?My unscientific >> observations are that >> WSRS-HD1 has better coverage than 94.9, at least to the east side of >> Worcester. >> >> -Bob >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jim Hall wrote: >>> >>> . >>> ". ?I bet WXKS 1200 will be simulcasted on a >>> WXKS-FM HD channel." >>> >>> I was wondering about that. I haven't been able to get WXKS-FM HD2 >>> lately, >>> and I was speculating whether they were planning something new. >>> >>> > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 19 12:26:46 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:26:46 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> Message-ID: <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 06:53 AM 1/19/2010, Bill Dillane wrote: >Mark Levin hinted last night that he might soon be on a Boston station, but >said he couldn't give details. I still do not understand for the life of me why we need yet another conservative talk station in town. Oh and for those who think I am being partisan, I asked the same question about why we needed yet another sports-talk station (and I love sports as much as I love politics). From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 19 12:36:47 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:36:47 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: We might not....but evidently CC thinks we do. It will all play out in the ratings. But I think this is a power play on CC's part. They can now threaten to take Rush off RKO if RKO doesn't want to pay what they are asking when it's time to resign the contract. There's also CC's other PRN properties that don't have a Boston outlet. -BOb On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > At 06:53 AM 1/19/2010, Bill Dillane wrote: >> >> Mark Levin hinted last night that he might soon be on a Boston station, >> but >> said he couldn't give details. > > I still do not understand for the life of me why we need yet another > conservative talk station in town. ?Oh and for those who think I am being > partisan, I asked the same question about why we needed yet another > sports-talk station (and I love sports as much as I love politics). > > From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jan 19 12:59:24 2010 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:59:24 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> Bob DeMattia wrote: > We might not....but evidently CC thinks we do. It will all play out > in the ratings. > But I think this is a power play on CC's part. They can now threaten > to take Rush off RKO if RKO doesn't want to pay what they are asking when it's time to resign the contract. > I think you and many media observers overstate the importance of Rush in the Boston market. He finished in 18th place in his timeslot (25-54) in the most recent ratings. By comparison, WTKK had 50% more AQH listeners, WBZ had 60% more, and WBUR had 75% more. (The #1 station had over 300% more listeners.) From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 19 13:33:39 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:39 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> Message-ID: I didn't mean to inply anything about the important of Rush in the Boston market. I certainly did imply an importance to RKO. I don't know that Entercom can put anything that is going to do better in that time slot. They have been plagued with problems filling their morning drive and late morning slots; Rush and Howie are their only consistencies. And even then, it is well known what Howie's intentions are. The last thing they need is another problem. -Bob On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > Bob DeMattia wrote: >> >> We might not....but evidently CC thinks we do. ?It will all play out >> in the ratings. >> But I think this is a power play on CC's part. ?They can now threaten >> to take Rush off RKO if RKO doesn't want to pay what they are asking when >> it's time to resign the contract. >> > > I think you and many media observers overstate the importance of Rush in the > Boston market. ?He finished in 18th place in his timeslot (25-54) in the > most recent ratings. ?By comparison, WTKK had 50% more AQH listeners, WBZ > had 60% more, and WBUR had 75% more. ?(The #1 station had over 300% more > listeners.) > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 13:38:18 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:38:18 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April) In-Reply-To: <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B55FC1A.3070608@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > I still do not understand for the life of me why we need yet another > conservative talk station in town. Oh and for those who think I am > being partisan, I asked the same question about why we needed yet > another sports-talk station (and I love sports as much as I love > politics). I appreciate your question. I think would be the makings of a 13 week collegiate course in politics, or media, or marketing, or sales, or microeconomics, or macroeconomics, or, constitutional law ..... And therein is the issue. This is HUGE. I don't have the answer other than my hunches over the years. I think that America is far more conservative than anyone (even conservatives) truly comprehend. It may not be an all-encompassing conservatism, e.g., fiscal, social, but enough such that in tough times people are starting to ask more questions. Not to engage the key issues but we are on the verge, as a nation, of massive impact, almost incomprehensible impact that will be triggered by the elected decision makers in DC and in states' capitols. And when people get scared, quick action or sea change is not the first remedy they reach for. Politics of change is at variance with that macro-inhibition, if you will. I suppose that is precisely why America is still here. Even the most heartfelt pro-social initiatives throughout our young history have been pushed back or attenuated and here we still stand, today. Talkradio is an outward reflection of that tension. Pro-growth or pro-spend initiatives (from either side) will make for radio that engenders TSLs. I think I recall a bit of a post from Donna a few weeks back in which she contrasted and compared conservative v. liberal listeners and what makes them different. I have to agree with her. The point that surfaces here is how conservatives tend to be attracted to like-minded presentations (I differ in the suggestion that liberal listeners are more open and affirming to all views but that's okay!) Bill O'Neill Li From jibguy@aol.com Tue Jan 19 13:55:43 2010 From: jibguy@aol.com (jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:43 EST Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk... Message-ID: I don't think that CC is envisioning "So many conservative talk stations in Boston", but rather they are envisioning theirs being one of them and hopefully another (WRKO) will fall to sports, brokered time, ethnic, whatever. - Same as in music formats... when one new music station 'attacks' another highly-rated music station, the intent is to have the attacked station not survive in that same format. The attacker doesn't want HALF of the 6.0 rating the existing music station has, but rather they want all 6 points. On another note, the only reason why liberal-talk stations have not done well is that they have never gotten their act together. - Conservative talk stations usually have 4 things going for them; (1) money, (2) Texas, (3) close links with conservative lawmakers (Congress bought and paid for by conservative lobbyists [TelCom Act of 1996 & more]) and (4) religious concerns and religious wingnuts. Liberals don't have any effective motions on those 4 things. ---BB From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:03:25 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:03:25 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> jibguy@aol.com wrote: > On another note, the only reason why liberal-talk stations have not > done well is that they have never gotten their act together. - > Conservative talk stations usually have 4 things going for them; (1) > money, (2) Texas, (3) close links with conservative lawmakers > (Congress bought and paid for by conservative lobbyists [TelCom Act of > 1996 & more]) and (4) religious concerns and religious wingnuts. > Liberals don't have any effective motions on those 4 things. That's where I disagree - (1) Money is the effect of success not the cause. (2) Texas - that excuse left the station. (3) Plenty of links to liberal lawmakers (Congress bought and paid for by our generous voluntary giving at tax time) and (4) Religious concerns - I know many liberals who take umbrage to the suggestion that faith is co opted by the right. And wingnuts among the religious are easy to unscrew from their base and marginalized. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 19 14:15:16 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:15:16 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk... In-Reply-To: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> References: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: At 2:03 PM -0500 1/19/10, Bill O'Neill wrote: >(4) Religious concerns - I know many liberals who take umbrage to >the suggestion that faith is co opted by the right. And wingnuts >among the religious are easy to unscrew from their base and >marginalized. In my observations Reform Jews, Unitarians, and Neopagans tend to skew to the left politically. Now, if only the progressive talk stations could find a way to capitalize on that information. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:31:23 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001191131k65ea4440xbfc86e77cd3a194d@mail.gmail.com> I would agree...ESPN 680 anyone (w/ one non sports show, Howie, in pm drive... Who knows! Or maybe they'll stick it out. Or maybe the prog talk fans will have their dream scenario: progtalk on RKO (plus Howie till his contract expires) Entercom does do progtalk in Buffalo... From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 19 14:44:42 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:44:42 -0500 Subject: New Format - Advise Talk Message-ID: This seems to me to be a new format of sorts, a radio station simulcast in Maine is going to "Advise Talk". I know of no other stations doing this. Like it or not, it's good to see someone taking a chance and experimenting with something different (although these are all established shows on their own). http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/radio-station-unveils-advice-show-lineup -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jan 19 14:50:26 2010 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:50:26 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <20100119172701.B7EA830B0303@relay15.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4B55F2FC.5080905@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B560D02.2090402@mac.com> Mark Laurence wrote: > I think you and many media observers overstate the importance of Rush > in the Boston market. He finished in 18th place in his timeslot > (25-54) in the most recent ratings. By comparison, WTKK had 50% more > AQH listeners, WBZ had 60% more, and WBUR had 75% more. (The #1 > station had over 300% more listeners.) > I made an error on these numbers, but it doesn't change the overall point. It turns out I was looking at cume, not AQH. For AQH, Rush is in 17th place, and WBZ is just a few listeners ahead of that. WBUR's audience is 15% higher, WTKK has almost 80% more listeners, and the #1 station actually has 360% more listeners than Rush. From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Jan 19 15:00:25 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:00:25 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk... In-Reply-To: References: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Putting together two different emails: > In my observations Reform Jews, Unitarians, and Neopagans tend to skew to > the left politically. ?Now, if only the progressive talk stations could find > a way to capitalize on that information. > > I made an error on these numbers, but it doesn't change the overall point. It turns out I was looking at cume, not AQH. > For AQH, Rush is in 17th place, and WBZ is just a few listeners ahead of that. WBUR's audience is 15% higher, WTKK has almost 80% more listeners, and the #1 > > > station actually has 360% more listeners than Rush. Any commerical progressive talk venture is going to have to compete with NPR, which has an excellent, high quality product and one other distinct advantage - no commercials! BUR listeners also have a strong loyalty to the station because many have invested their own dollars, through contributions. That's pretty powerful stuff. As can be seen from Mark's numbers, BUR has a significant audience. -Bob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 15:51:19 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:51:19 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? (was: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk... In-Reply-To: References: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001191251h5cf0214ake62ad0721d2acda0@mail.gmail.com> Very true re: WBUR numbers. And now 100000watt WGBH wants a piece of that pie. As for people giving money, some GBH contributors aren't happy that either a) they dropped folk and blues shows, or b) classical moved to a freq they can't pick up easily, or at all, and they may stop contributing. But GBH is confident they will still benefit by the moves. > Any commerical ?progressive talk venture is going to have to compete > with NPR, which has an excellent, high quality > product and one other distinct advantage - no commercials! ? BUR > listeners also have a strong loyalty to the station > because many have invested their own dollars, through contributions. > That's pretty powerful stuff. ?As can be seen > from Mark's numbers, BUR has a significant audience. > > -Bob > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 19 16:21:03 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:21:03 -0500 Subject: New Format - Advise Talk References: Message-ID: <4E16F8C6A0B946E19C0EC2E6C1F826A6@SatU205S5044> Most financial-talk shows and "health"-talk shows fit under the general umbrella of advice. And I don't think that WBIX is unique in providing a roughly equal mix of the two types of advice--all of it brokered time, much of the advice questionable. Before tweaking its format (to purely financial talk) a month or two ago, WBNW had pretty much the same mix. I've heard that, somewhere in Maine, there is a station with a similar mix of financial and health advice and it uses the positioner "health and wealth radio." I like the slogan; it's accurate (at least if the advice is good--which may not be true too often), concise, and memorable. And it nicely ties together seemingly disparate programming elements. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: New Format - Advise Talk > > This seems to me to be a new format of sorts, a radio station > simulcast in Maine is going to "Advise Talk". I know of no other > stations doing this. Like it or not, it's good to see someone > taking a chance and experimenting with something different (although > these are all established shows on their own). > > http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/radio-station-unveils-advice-show-lineup > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Jan 19 16:37:34 2010 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:37:34 -0500 Subject: Liberal Talk Where Art Thou? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001191251h5cf0214ake62ad0721d2acda0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5601FD.1080201@gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001191251h5cf0214ake62ad0721d2acda0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B56261E.2030406@mac.com> WGBH numbers surged during the weeks of December 10-23. I believe WBUR was in a pledge drive while 'GBH was debuting new programs, so that skews things somewhat. Normally (25-54 AQH) WBUR dominates WGBH with a 4-1 to even 10-1 advantage. In December it was down to 3-1, as WGBH posted its biggest audience of the year. 'GBH was strongest in afternoon drive where they tripled their normal audience in the week of December 10. 'BUR is still a lot stronger, but WGBH's early news-talk numbers are dramatic. Bob Nelson wrote: > Very true re: WBUR numbers. And now 100000watt WGBH wants a piece of > that pie. As for > people giving money, some GBH contributors aren't happy that either a) > they dropped folk and blues shows, or b) classical moved to a freq > they can't pick up easily, or at all, and they may stop contributing. > But GBH is confident they will still benefit by the moves. From map@mapinternet.com Tue Jan 19 18:22:31 2010 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:22:31 -0500 Subject: New Format - Advise Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434C8F16996A438EA552C400F1F1D287@CASEYPC> Most folks are probably burned out on Dr. Laura and Dr. Joy, but Clark Howard is excellent. He wins big head-to-head over Rush Limbaugh on stations with similar signals in his home town of Atlanta. A good computer show on Sat or Sun might just pull a decent audience also. Kim Komando, or even a local grown one. We have had computer shows on WHYN in Springfield and WTIC in Hartford that have done well in the past. After today, many of us are tired of politics, so "advise radio" might be good. Maybe one of the smaller Boston stations should try it. How's this for the perfect talk radio format: 4-5 am--local farm show/news & info 5-10AM drive-local personality--talk /news & info 10am to 3pm--advise radio--Clark Howard, etc 3pm-7pm--PM drive news/talk/info with short features like Osgood, Kommando, etc 7pm-and on- local advise talk shows 3-4am--politics Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: New Format - Advise Talk This seems to me to be a new format of sorts, a radio station simulcast in Maine is going to "Advise Talk". I know of no other stations doing this. Like it or not, it's good to see someone taking a chance and experimenting with something different (although these are all established shows on their own). http://updates.pressherald.mainetoday.com/updates/radio-station-unveils-advice-show-lineup -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 19 23:09:14 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:14 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <179D9310-AB75-4DE8-9315-C8018F0391CE@comcast.net> References: <000901ca98fe$006032a0$012097e0$@net> <179D9310-AB75-4DE8-9315-C8018F0391CE@comcast.net> Message-ID: <19286.33258.257395.925604@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's funny how WELI just showed up on 101.3-3. On Saturday at the WTAG > tour, a few of us were saying that it would be a good idea if CC > started to do this. The specific example we were talking about was > putting 920 WHJJ on the HD3 of one of their 3 Providence FMs. Two guys from CC New Haven were there, too. Not to suggest cause and effect or anything.... -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 20 03:15:22 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:15:22 -0500 Subject: Screeching McPhee's Election Night Party... Message-ID: <8CC67BFD872CC41-B28-42E5@web-mmc-d12.sysops.aol.com> Tonight on WTKK Michele McPhee did her show from F1, I think, and it was basically a Brown victory party. Now, I had no prob with the results myself but whoa, it was like a rock concert, party, or a sporting event(SCOTT BROWN HAS WON THE WORLD SERIES!). McPhee was definitely in an upmood, and no surprise there, but if you were expecting down-to-earthelection returns...ah, no. "MICHAEL GRAHAM IS IN THE HOUSE!" (big cheer from crowd) etc. Well, I went back and forth between that and the more conservative (in demeanor certainly) Avi Nelson on WRKO (and some Dan Rea on WBZ, and even some WBUR). But even if you were a Brownie, Michele's screaming, screeching voice was a bit too much! She did kinda rub it in with colleague Margery Eagan but she said hey, they differ politically but they're still friends, etc. Supposedly the first media (radio?) outlet to be told (by Brown) that Coakley had conceded was WRKO/Avi Nelson. He then went on WTKK From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 20 14:51:36 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:51:36 -0500 Subject: Budget cuts claim WEEI's Pete Sheppard Message-ID: <8CC68211BD91A02-1B44-555B@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> WEEI and Entercom have announced that budget cuts have claimed the job of Pete Sheppard of The Big Show. He'd been there for over 10 years and he's being replaced as sports flash reporter by Metro-Shadow. Wonder if he goes to WBZ-FM? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jan 20 22:40:52 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:40:52 -0500 Subject: Budget cuts claim WEEI's Pete Sheppard In-Reply-To: <8CC68211BD91A02-1B44-555B@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC68211BD91A02-1B44-555B@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19287.52420.490902.447577@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < WEEI and Entercom have announced that budget cuts have claimed the > job of Pete Sheppard of The Big Show. He'd been there for over 10 > years and he's being replaced as sports flash reporter by > Metro-Shadow. > Wonder if he goes to WBZ-FM? I suppose CBS wins either way.... -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jan 21 08:33:09 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:33:09 -0500 Subject: Live, Local Radio Station's Role In Haiti Message-ID: <4B585794.3030407@ttlc.net> For those of us who believe in live local radio, this is a great story: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/100120/haiti-earthquake-aid How would this play out in a US town? Voice tracks from a far away city FTP'd to an unmanned server? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 21 12:22:15 2010 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Live, Local Radio Station's Role In Haiti Message-ID: <1844511.1264094535982.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank you wicked much for the post! incredible that it was spared destruction. being curious, I Goggle'd for the station's web site; http://www.signalfmhaiti.com/ which is in Haitian, of course, and 209 pages, very extensive. All I could learn is freq - 90.5, no idea of power or coverage. Bob Sutherland -----Original Message----- >From: Roger Kirk >Sent: Jan 21, 2010 8:33 AM >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Live, Local Radio Station's Role In Haiti > >For those of us who believe in live local radio, this is a great story: > >http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/100120/haiti-earthquake-aid > >How would this play out in a US town? Voice tracks from a far away city >FTP'd to an unmanned server? > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 21 17:46:49 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:46:49 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP Message-ID: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> I'd like to say I'm shocked by the announcement that Air America Radio has gone bankrupt, but I'm not. It was poorly run, wasted a ton of bucks, and did a lot of other things wrong. But this is NOT the end of progressive talk. Air America's main competitor, Dial-Global, formerly Jones Radio Network, continues to be profitable, with hosts like Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann. So, I expect this may actually be good for those talk show hosts, since they'll pick up some new stations. From tmw207@roadrunner.com Mon Jan 11 19:00:15 2010 From: tmw207@roadrunner.com (Terry) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:00:15 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: References: <8CC5F4960E650EB-5088-F9D0@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I could always pick up HEB-AM in Aroostook County and in New York State. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:40 PM To: ; Subject: RE: WJIB > I picked up HEB-AM a few times back in the late 70's in East Boston! > > -----Original Message----- > From: markwa1ion@aol.com [mailto:markwa1ion@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:47 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: WJIB > > WHEB-750 Portsmouth would have been a "killer" for coverage not only of > the > southern ME, NH, and MA seacoast down to and including Cape Ann but it > also > had a spectacularly loud signal on the South Shore and Cape Cod. Signal > strength measurements that I took from West Yarmouth in the '70s put its 1 > kW ahead of 850's 50 kW and nearly in the same league as 680 and 1030. > > But a 50 kW in Bangor ? I'm not sure that the expense would be justified > for the amount of people served who couldn't get WJTO-730 as well. If it > was Bar Harbor instead of more inland Bangor, they'd have a monster signal > along the entire New England coast as well as parts of Nova Scotia and New > Brunswick and all the way south to Montauk Point, Long Island. When St. > John, New Brunswick (CHSJ) was on 700, they could be heard all day as far > south as Chincoteague, VA ! > > But Bangor isn't Bar Harbor (or St. John) in terms of sea gain boost. > > What could be a bit cheaper for Bob would be to scoop up West Yarmouth's > 1240 and/or Plymouth's 1390 to provide the Cape Cod area with programming > well-matched to its sizeable senior population (who used to have nostalgia > music on FM but lost that). > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > Betcha Hecht & Alonso will happily consider offers for their 750 CP in > Hampden, outside of Bangor (50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N four towers). > Although the grant date was 1/18/2005, meaning that it should have expired > two years ago, the CP has apparently been tolled, because my source > carries > a notation that it won't expire until 2029! > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:54 AM > Subject: Re: I guess holiday music works > > >> >> In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> aerie.ma@comcast.net writes: >> >> I am thinking that if Bob Bitner had been able to buy WHEB, he would >> have blanketed the coastline on 730, 740, and 750. >> >> ----------------------- >> Had I been awake and aware of 750's ownership's thoughts at the time, >> I definitely would have. 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Virus Database (VPS): 100111-0, 01/11/2010 Tested on: 1/11/2010 7:00:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 14 14:38:53 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:38:53 -0500 Subject: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April In-Reply-To: <20100114175202.B80A1212834C@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <8CC630E042F08EB-17A4-6853@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com><20100114090242.910CD16F1E8D@relay18.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC634916404CBA-2434-70E5@web-mmc-d15.sysops.aol.com> <20100114175202.B80A1212834C@relay20.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC636856902E9C-17A4-787D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Donna Halper >To: Bob DeMattia ; Boston Radio Mailing List >Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:51 pm >Subject: Re: Herald, BRW: 1200 to conservative talk in April >Umm, put any format on a station with a weak signal, give it NO promotion and hire no local staff for the first year it's on the air, and I suggest you will fail no matter what format you >have. Also, Clear Channel didn't put "Air America" on. Most of the talkers they used came from the Jones Radio Network (today Dial Global), ALL of whom are stable and profitable in other >markets. Boston was a temporary stop-gap for CC, which has always put its progressive talkers on its worst signals. Now, I am not claiming a progressive talk format will get huge numbers, >for reasons I just outlined in another post, but I do believe CC didn't give the station what it needed to get any traction. CCU may have provided little if any promotion for WXKS-AM 1430/WKOS-AM 1200 during the libtalk days, but on TWO occasions, they brought Al Franken's show into Boston to originate his live show from the Marlowe Hotel and the WAH-HILLL-BURRR Theater. Both events were very-well attended (I was at both). For the Marlowe Hotel appearance, they served excellent hot coffee and luscious madadamia-nut cookies. Since then, I've never said a negative word about Clear Channel. When I'm bought, I stay bought. Something similar happened at WBUR during the Jane Christo era; during an open house I attended, unlimited Sam Adams Lager was provided. Subsequently, I never uttered anything negative about Jane either. But large turnouts for public appearances apparently don't affect programming decisions. AM 870 in Portland, ME flipped from libtalk to sports a few months after Al Franken appeared before a full house at the Merrill Auditorium on a weekday (another appearance at which I was present). And I don't think the Boston Musical Intelligencer Forum's impressive turnout will change any minds at WGBH. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 22 03:29:21 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:29:21 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Yes I have also pointed out there are still other prog talk syndicators out there (one of which is the mighty Premiere which does Randi Rhodes and Jesse Jackson, I believe.) In a 2005 interview with the Boston Globe's Mark Jurkowitz, Jon Sinton of Air America predicted "in five years we'll be on 600 stations" just like Rush... btw did anyone notice Donna was quoted in the Herald the other day but they got her last name wrong? It said "Donna Harper". I think it was about the election coverage and Donna said something like Boston has lots of conservative talk and the election talk was doing well From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Jan 22 08:41:47 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:41:47 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> I agree with you. When WXKS/WKOX was running a mixture of Jones Radio (now Dial Global) and Air America programming, it was the Jones programming that claimed my attention. Although humor is a big part of radio, I think Air America erred by hiring too many stand-up comics as their hosts (Mark Maron, Janeane Garofalo, and even Al Franken). Some people turned in expecting a 3-hour comedy show rather than political talk and were disappointed. Others did not take Air America seriously because of the presence of so many comics. I think you need to be a radio host who is humorous, rather than a comedian who has a talk radio show. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:47 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Air America, RIP I'd like to say I'm shocked by the announcement that Air America Radio has gone bankrupt, but I'm not. It was poorly run, wasted a ton of bucks, and did a lot of other things wrong. But this is NOT the end of progressive talk. Air America's main competitor, Dial-Global, formerly Jones Radio Network, continues to be profitable, with hosts like Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann. So, I expect this may actually be good for those talk show hosts, since they'll pick up some new stations. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 10:41:01 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:41:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Beau Raines out at The River Message-ID: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/65771/raines-exits-wxrv Another one bites the dust @ WXRV. Having been a former employee myself (but I left of my own free will) I'm not suprised. I wonder what consultant Steve Silberberg is using this time? From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 22 11:30:04 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:30:04 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> The power boost CC had waited for at 1200 didn't happen till last spring, over 2 years after they switched to Rumba, and now they are anticipating their new conservative talk lineup in April. Who knows what kind of ratings or billings "Boston's Progressive talk" could have had, if the power boost had happened earlier. Some think that putting prog talk on stations like WHJJ and the two Boston outlets was to stop any possibility of a Fairness Doctrine return, or did they think it could work out? In places like Buffalo where Entercom has WWKB, it apparently does... Agreed about Dial Global vs. AAR, etc. As for the hiring of comics, a few work out--former Sat. Night Live regular Dennis Miller does okay but otherwise not too many comics work out (I guess Michael Graham of WTKK did stand up for awhile, though). Debate about the failure of AAR has centered in the past on things like "we already have liberal radio on NPR" to "they were too strident in politics" (but conservative talk can be that way, too) to "Rush and the rest had a head start on them". There is also the argument that we are basically a center-right nation and a network appealing only to the left merely has a niche audience. And the failure of Air America/prog talk in Boston of course makes conservatives smile; "if it can't succeed there..." Despite the image of Boston as being liberal, some of the more successful talk shows are right-leaning (Carr, Rea, Severin) and they capture the white, mostly male, middle aged, suburban audience...but one would think the left-to-center audience is pretty sizable, too. As I've said before, do they prefer music, or NPR, or... Trivia: The original name that was to be given to Air America was Central Air. That conjures up images of a moderate viewpoint... -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hall To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:41 am Subject: RE: Air America, RIP I agree with you. When WXKS/WKOX was running a mixture of Jones Radio (now Dial Global) and Air America programming, it was the Jones programming that claimed my attention. Although humor is a big part of radio, I think Air America erred by hiring too many stand-up comics as their hosts (Mark Maron, Janeane Garofalo, and even Al Franken). Some people turned in expecting a 3-hour comedy show rather than political talk and were disappointed. Others did not take Air America seriously because of the presence of so many comics. I think you need to be a radio host who is humorous, rather than a comedian who has a talk radio show. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:47 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Air America, RIP I'd like to say I'm shocked by the announcement that Air America Radio has gone bankrupt, but I'm not. It was poorly run, wasted a ton of bucks, and did a lot of other things wrong. But this is NOT the end of progressive talk. Air America's main competitor, Dial-Global, formerly Jones Radio Network, continues to be profitable, with hosts like Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann. So, I expect this may actually be good for those talk show hosts, since they'll pick up some new stations. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 22 13:38:09 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:38:09 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> <8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 11:30 AM 1/22/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: >And the failure of Air America/prog talk in Boston of course makes >conservatives smile; "if it can't succeed there..." Despite the >image of Boston as being liberal, some of the more successful talk >shows are right-leaning (Carr, Rea, Severin) and they capture the >white, mostly male, middle aged, suburban audience...but one would >think the left-to-center audience is pretty sizable, too. As I've >said before, do they prefer music, or NPR, or... I have never bought the argument that liberal talk "failed" here. I say this as a consultant, not as a proponent of progressive talk. (And I've been very outspoken on both the ineffective way the Air America folks ran their network and the pitiful amount of support Clear Channel provided when they ran their incarnation of progressive talk here.) It took Rush Limbaugh FIVE YEARS to become successful, yet progressive talk was expected to succeed in a year. It took a massive amount of cash and big promotion (and pandering to a large and angry and "aggrieved" group of people) to get conservative talk off the ground. And yes, it took the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine so that one viewpoint was allowed to predominate without any need to offer time to the other side. I still say that the best progressive talkers will continue to make money and get ratings in a number of cities. The soap opera story of Air America did progressive talk no favors, but the format had a lot of other circumstances going against it. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 22 15:42:15 2010 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:42:15 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <4B5A0DA7.2040307@ttlc.net> Jim Hall wrote: > I think you need to be a radio host who is humorous, rather than a comedian who has a > talk radio show. > So, does Minnesota have a Senator that's humorous or a comedian who has a seat in the Senate? From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 22 16:26:19 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:19 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <4B5A0DA7.2040307@ttlc.net> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> <4B5A0DA7.2040307@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20100122212627.036A313D35C4@relay9.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 03:42 PM 1/22/2010, Roger Kirk wrote: >Jim Hall wrote: >>I think you need to be a radio host who is humorous, rather than a >>comedian who has a >>talk radio show. >> >So, does Minnesota have a Senator that's humorous or a comedian who >has a seat in the Senate? Actually neither. Al is by all accounts a thoughtful and serious senator. But he has a good sense of humour when the time is right-- kind of like a Barney Frank somewhat sarcastic sense of humour. Even his detractors admit he is a good politician, and when I saw him out on the stump during his campaign, I found him very well-versed on the issues. But yes, he can still be funny. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 22 16:32:34 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:32:34 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu> <8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B5A1972.3000203@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > It took Rush Limbaugh FIVE YEARS to become successful, yet progressive > talk was expected to succeed in a year. It took a massive amount of > cash and big promotion (and pandering to a large and angry and > "aggrieved" group of people) to get conservative talk off the ground. Excellent point. I was at WCAP when Rush debuted there in the market from then noon til two for a time before WHDH finally picked him up and he went the third hour. (I believe it was 'HDH and not 'RKO but I could be wrong about that.) > And yes, it took the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine so that one > viewpoint was allowed to predominate without any need to offer time to > the other side. A doctrine like that by any other name would still be controversial. (Ducking under desk) Bill O'Neill From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 17:43:19 2010 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:43:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <70757.11599.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Donna Halper wrote: >I still say that the best progressive talkers will continue to make >money and get ratings in a number of cities. Stephanie Miller was shooting the wounded today, saying Talk America was loaded with people who had never done radio before, who were doing it to advance an agenda of their own, and that the company management knew nothing about radio when it started and then got dumber. The successful non-Air America liberal talk hosts and their staffs, according to Ms. Miller, are people who've been in radio, know how to do radio, know it has to be partly fun and funny, along with doing issues -- and will keep building their audiences. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 22 21:38:42 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:42 -0500 Subject: Beau Raines out at The River In-Reply-To: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19290.24882.812342.920089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/65771/raines-exits-wxrv > Another one bites the dust @ WXRV. Having been a former employee > myself (but I left of my own free will) I'm not suprised. I wonder > what consultant Steve Silberberg is using this time? Isn't that the reputation that Krazy Steve has had for ages? I have to say, the station has not sounded very good recently -- but that's been true for about the past year or two. At least they've dropped talentless warbler James Blunt from the playlist (finally). -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 22 21:54:50 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:54:50 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < btw did anyone notice Donna was quoted in the Herald the other day > but they got her last name wrong? It said "Donna Harper". I think it > was about the election coverage and Donna said something like Boston > has lots of conservative talk and the election talk was doing well I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the Boston market went the other way. I don't know if the final results show the same pattern, but if they do, it may say something interesting about the impact of the mass media on the election. I assume that neither the candidates nor the "independent expenditure" groups bought TV time in the Albany market, which reaches that part of the state, and that most voters read the campaign coverage in the /Eagle/ (which gets its Eastern Mass. coverage from the AP). -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 22 22:11:09 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:11:09 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me > that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted > overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the > Boston market went the other way. I don't know if the final results > show the same pattern, but if they do, it may say something > interesting about the impact of the mass media on the election. I > assume that neither the candidates nor the "independent expenditure" > groups bought TV time in the Albany market, which reaches that part of > the state, and that most voters read the campaign coverage in the > /Eagle/ (which gets its Eastern Mass. coverage from the AP). I have since been reminded that Martha Coakley is originally from North Adams, which may also have some bearing on her performance out west. But it's also true that you can't hear Howie or Jay or the other Boston talkers out there, nor is the Herald widely distributed... s From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 22 23:38:38 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:38:38 -0500 Subject: Beau Raines out at The River In-Reply-To: <19290.24882.812342.920089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19290.24882.812342.920089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20100123043847.1971E1476F@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> >Maureen Carney said: > > > http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/65771/raines-exits-wxrv > > Another one bites the dust @ WXRV. Having been a former employee > > myself (but I left of my own free will) I'm not suprised. I wonder > > what consultant Steve Silberberg is using this time? Hey I consulted for him for one week-- back in 2006. He didn't like my recommendations so that was the end of that. The sense I got was he wanted to be agreed with, and if you didn't agree, you were gone. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 22 23:42:07 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:42:07 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 10:11 PM 1/22/2010, Scott Fybush wrote: >I have since been reminded that Martha Coakley is originally from >North Adams, which may also have some bearing on her performance out west. > >But it's also true that you can't hear Howie or Jay or the other >Boston talkers out there, nor is the Herald widely distributed... Yes but Fox was wall-to-wall "Vote Scott" and several nationally syndicated rightie talkers were to. From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 23 00:59:52 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:59:52 -0500 Subject: Beau Raines out at The River In-Reply-To: <20100123043847.1971E1476F@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19290.24882.812342.920089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20100123043847.1971E1476F@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4B5A9058.8010600@fybush.com> Is there a reason this topic floated to the top again? I'm pretty sure Beau's been out the door on How Street since last October... http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2009/091026/nerw.html#ma s From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 23 08:58:36 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> At 09:54 PM 1/22/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: >I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me >that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted >overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the >Boston market went the other way. Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the district that was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area all one district? Talk about gerrymandering! From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 09:54:18 2010 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:54:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Beau Raines out at The River In-Reply-To: <4B5A9058.8010600@fybush.com> References: <604224.79168.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <19290.24882.812342.920089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20100123043847.1971E1476F@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4B5A9058.8010600@fybush.com> Message-ID: <788880.43955.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry - saw it on another web blog and didn't catch the date. I apologize. ________________________________ From: Scott Fybush To: Donna Halper Cc: Garrett Wollman ; Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:59:52 AM Subject: Re: Beau Raines out at The River Is there a reason this topic floated to the top again? I'm pretty sure Beau's been out the door on How Street since last October... http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2009/091026/nerw.html#ma s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 23 10:11:50 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:11:50 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26A893CDE88644819EE3011103E9B94B@SatU205S5044> Huh? Ted Kennedy's seat was a SENATE seat, not a seat in the House. Unlike representatives, who are elected to serve a specific geographic area within a state (except in states whose population is so small that they have only one representative--Alaska and Delaware at present), each of the 100 US senators (two senators from each of the 50 states) represents his or her entire state. Hard to imagine that you didn't know that. Or maybe you simply failed to express yourself clearly--but no matter how may times I reread your question, that does not seem to be the problem. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election > At 09:54 PM 1/22/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > >>I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me >>that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted >>overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the >>Boston market went the other way. > > Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life > and Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the > district that was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & > Boston area all one district? Talk about gerrymandering! > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 23 11:02:30 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:02:30 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Some TV and radio people similarly were wall-to-wall Obama in terms of his election and his Presidency. I seem to remember one NBC employee named Chris Matthews getting a "thrill up" his leg...Some have said that NBC wanted him in because G.E. would benefit from the health care bill passing, somehow. On radio while some WTKK hosts were very pro-Brown, the morning show was pro-Coakley. On election night, McPhee was hooting and hollering that SCOTT BROWN IS ON THE PHONE!!! (to inform listeners that Coakley conceded) during a live appearance. These are opinion shows of course, though McPhee's election coverage was over the top, like it was a rock concert or the Red Sox winning the world series. The joy of hearing her screech MICHAEL GRAHAM IS IN THE HOUSE!!! when her fellow co-host showed up...Very reserved and dignified :) Well, politics is turning into sports or entertainment (er, when has it not been?) I guess. I heard a clip of Rachel Maddow getting all choked up when she announced that Coakley was conceding. Now, is Maddow serving as a news person here, covering the event, or was she in her opinion show mode? Perhaps MSNBC should have had news people doing that sort of thing, and then turn things over to Maddow to offer her opinions. Maybe if Coakley had won, she and her co-workers would have given high fives and started to sing "We are the champions, no time for losers..." ...But again WTKK was not exactly non-partisan that night either! From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Jan 23 12:36:57 2010 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:36:57 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election Message-ID: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> Senate-wise each Senator serves the entire state that he or she is elected from (even in New Hampshire). -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:59 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election At 09:54 PM 1/22/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: >I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me >that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted >overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the >Boston market went the other way. Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the district that was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area all one district? Talk about gerrymandering! From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 23 12:41:04 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:41:04 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> Message-ID: <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Senate-wise each Senator serves the entire state that he or she is elected > from (even in New Hampshire). Of course, the same is true for the House: the districts that Representatives are elected from are only that; once they are sworn in, they represent their entire states (even in California). Often they show little evidence of understanding this. -GAWollman From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Jan 23 12:16:06 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:16:06 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:02 AM, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > Well, politics is turning into sports or entertainment (er, when has it not been?) I guess. I heard Howie Carr on WCRN play "Happy Days are Here Again" after the news Wednesday afternoon, in obvious reference to Scott Brown winning. I thought it was distasteful. I've never listened to Howie Carr, nor do I know his political leanings, but I assume now he's right-leaning. What is it about those on the right that make them so nasty? I don't think left-leaners would do such a thing. Or maybe it's just the disintegration of meaningful political talk on the radio, where it is now, indeed, just entertainment. Paul From mauob@aol.com Sat Jan 23 13:12:52 2010 From: mauob@aol.com (mauob@aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:12:52 EST Subject: Media impact on the special election Message-ID: <27a86.724503bc.388c9624@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/2010 1:04:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulranderson@charter.net writes: I heard Howie Carr on WCRN play "Happy Days are Here Again" after the news Wednesday afternoon, in obvious reference to Scott Brown winning. I thought it was distasteful. I've never listened to Howie Carr, nor do I know his political leanings, but I assume now he's right-leaning. What is it about those on the right that make them so nasty? I don't think left-leaners would do such a thing. Or maybe it's just the disintegration of meaningful political talk on the radio, where it is now, indeed, just entertainment. Paul= Nasty? Playing Happy Days Are Here Again is nasty? I did not consider being glad over your candidate winning nasty. He is doing talk radio not news reporting, he is allowed to have opinions and feelings. He doesn't have to be neutral. Being happy does not mean he doesn't offer meaningful talk. But as you said, you never listened to him. (Shaking my head) Maureen From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 23 13:26:07 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:26:07 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com><20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CC6A70A9C4174B-8B4-AB05@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> People on both sides are nasty. Keith Olbermann called Scott Brown every name in the book. To say that only one side does it is ridiculous. Carr did play Happy Days are Here Again (actually I think Avi Nelson did on election night too); the fact that the song is usually associated with Democrats was his sense of humor. Nelson, btw (no relation) does a rather erudite and thoughtful show. Oh wait, he's a conservative.... And left-leaners would never call people on the right "tea-baggers" (which has a sexual connotation). They would never express glee that rightie talk host Laura Ingraham got breast cancer or that Rush Limbaugh possibly had a heart attack. It is true that talk shows like these do take sides, and hopefully people from both sides (or all opinions) will call in. Howie and his producer have said that they frequently called Coakley to get her on the show and she refused. Similarly, Dan Rea says anyone is welcome to call--"I don't care what you think just so long as you're thinking". While Rea is right wing, he had Coakley on his show the Friday before the election. Thus we heard about "Yankee fan" Curt Schilling... Joe Scarborough: "Obermann calls Brown a 'homophobic racist reactionary' who 'supports violence against women.' How reckless and how sad.Itis no longer enough to simply disagree with someone. These days somefeel the need to call opponents evil. It happens on both extremes. Just as when Beck called the president racist, this sort of rhetorical extremism must be discouraged. It cheapens the debate." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2608841/scott_brown_and_keith_olbermanns_on.html?cat=9 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 23 13:35:27 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:35:27 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <27a86.724503bc.388c9624@aol.com> References: <27a86.724503bc.388c9624@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC6A71F78ACC35-8B4-AB31@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Isn't it great when people can offer opinions on talk hosts they have never heard? >>I thought it was distasteful Had Coakley won and a liberal talk host played a certain song, it would be "speaking truth to power" >>the disintegration of meaningful political talk on the radio What about NPR?.Rehm, Rooney, and all the rest. (Or, as I mentioned, Avi Nelson who is much like Gene Burns, etc.; thoughtful and sedate.) by the way speaking of talk radio, Joe Fitzgerald's column in today's Herald talked about the last Republican from Mass. to serve in the Senate, Ed Brooke. He said that in 1962 both Brooke and his opponent for Attorney General "crossed paths" during the Jerry Williams show, and Frank Kelly's parting shot was "?If I were not a gentleman, Jerry, I might might mention how Mr. Brooke, a Negro, has a white wife.?. Yes, he said it on the air with Brooke sitting mere feet away.. Brooke went on to serve two terms as Mass. A.G. and then two terms in the U.S. Senate, the first African-American to be elected directly. It's good that Joe can mention these things; I was only months old when it happened... http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20100123in_the_end_integrity_takes_win/srvc=news&position=also From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 23 13:04:14 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:04:14 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <"8CC695 421C95F27-11EC-8635"@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com> At 08:58 AM 1/23/2010, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >At 09:54 PM 1/22/2010, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > >>I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me >>that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted >>overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the >>Boston market went the other way. > >Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life >and Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the >district that was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & >Boston area all one district? Talk about gerrymandering! District? This was a Senate race, so the "district" is the entire state. But the Boston Globe earlier this week had an article and a map breaking down the vote by city/town, and I believe this is where this discussion originated. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 23 13:31:43 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:31:43 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Are you sure??? I'm not on a position to declare that you are wrong but what you're saying makes little sense to me. I'd appreciate a reference. If you are correct, why aren't all representatives elected at-large instead of being voted on only in their "own" districts? I remember that, some years ago, a small state that had three representives (might have been Montana--but that's strictly a guess) had only two congressional districts. Each voter voted on the rep for his/her district AND the representative at-large, who represented the entire state. People used to half-jokingly refer to the at-large rep as the state's "third senator." ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Gary's Ice Cream" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Media impact on the special election > the districts that > Representatives are elected from are only that; once they are sworn > in, they represent their entire states (even in California). From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 23 14:18:55 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:55 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19291.19359.43552.472282@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Are you sure??? I'm not on a position to declare that you are wrong > but what you're saying makes little sense to me. I'd appreciate a > reference. The United States Constitution is the reference. It never mentions anything about districts (or constituencies, the traditional English term for electoral districts), although the Framers were undoubtedly familiar with the concept since that was how the British Parliament at Westminster was organized. The only residency requirement for Representatives is that they live in the state they represent. (As with Westminster, there is no requirement to live in the constituency and local government may not impose any further restriction.) > If you are correct, why aren't all representatives elected at-large > instead of being voted on only in their "own" districts? Because Congress has forbidden the practice (except, obviously, in states with only one Representative). -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 14:13:47 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:13:47 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001231113s63e4f58ej5016f54effba7fed@mail.gmail.com> True. In this case, it's the entire state, but it's interesting to see the voting patterns. And some hosts like Carr and McPhee have been using this a launching point to discuss the possibility of candidates running against the incumbents in each district; for example, if Brown did well in the 10th District, would a Republican challenger to Delahunt (Joe Malone is thinking about it) have a chance? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 23 15:36:39 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:36:39 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><"8CC695 421C95F27-11EC-8635"@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com> Message-ID: <20E6D5EA2967446CB2B164575D31FC15@SatU205S5044> If you are thinking of the same map that I'm thinking of, it used colors to indicate towns that had voted for Obama in 2008 but had voted for Brown in the 2010 special election. As far as I could tell, such towns were colored pink. Densely populated towns, like mine (Arlington), didn't occupy enough area for their names to appear, but AFAIK, Arlington was colored pink, which I thought odd because Arlington, though nowhere near as liberal as Brookline, has a reputation for being, after Brookline, the second most strongly Democratic town in the state. Indeed, the next day (Thursday), the town newspaper (the Arlington Advocate) published the town election results precinct by precinct. Approximately 20,000 Arlingtonians voted in the special election and approximately 13,500, or more than 2/3, voted for Coakley. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "SteveOrdinetz" ; Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election > District? This was a Senate race, so the "district" is the entire > state. But the Boston Globe earlier this week had an article and a > map breaking down the vote by city/town, and I believe this is where > this discussion originated. > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Jan 23 15:50:29 2010 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:50:29 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com><19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Representatives are not 'beholden' to represnt ONLY their district...but to get re-elected it would make sense to focus ones efforts on one's own district. What may have confused some folks is that you DO NOT have to live in the DISTRICT you want to represent, only within the same STATE... EG: A person ofr Boston could run for John Oliver's Western MA seat if they wanted to, though I would assume winning would be difficult.... -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Gary's Ice Cream" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election > Are you sure??? I'm not on a position to declare that you are wrong > but what you're saying makes little sense to me. I'd appreciate a > reference. If you are correct, why aren't all representatives > elected at-large instead of being voted on only in their "own" > districts? I remember that, some years ago, a small state that had > three representives (might have been Montana--but that's strictly a > guess) had only two congressional districts. Each voter voted on the > rep for his/her district AND the representative at-large, who > represented the entire state. People used to half-jokingly refer to > the at-large rep as the state's "third senator." > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garrett Wollman" > To: "Gary's Ice Cream" > Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:41 PM > Subject: Media impact on the special election > > >> the districts that >> Representatives are elected from are only that; once they are sworn >> in, they represent their entire states (even in California). > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat Jan 23 16:12:08 2010 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:12:08 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19291.19359.43552.472282@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19291.19359.43552.472282@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <90ec04421001231312p50f89cd9n6c1204f8f58fb8b7@mail.gmail.com> Why did Barney Frank move to Newton from Back Bay to run for the seat formerly held by Fr. Drinan in 1980 ? On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < dan.strassberg@att.net> said: > > > Are you sure??? I'm not on a position to declare that you are wrong > > but what you're saying makes little sense to me. I'd appreciate a > > reference. > > The United States Constitution is the reference. It never mentions > anything about districts (or constituencies, the traditional English > term for electoral districts), although the Framers were undoubtedly > familiar with the concept since that was how the British Parliament at > Westminster was organized. The only residency requirement for > Representatives is that they live in the state they represent. (As > with Westminster, there is no requirement to live in the constituency > and local government may not impose any further restriction.) > > > If you are correct, why aren't all representatives elected at-large > > instead of being voted on only in their "own" districts? > > Because Congress has forbidden the practice (except, obviously, in > states with only one Representative). > > -GAWollman > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:15:46 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:15:46 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5B6702.8060108@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > (might have been Montana--but that's strictly a > guess) had only two congressional districts. Each voter voted on the > rep for his/her district AND the representative at-large, who > represented the entire state. People used to half-jokingly refer to > the at-large rep as the state's "third senator." Vermont has only one U.S. Congressional district - Peter Welch (D) who lives in Norwich, VT. While it is true that congressional districts are apportioned by population (and a steaming manure pile of politics) once elected they make up the states' at-large delegation and, even, then, they are certainly just one vote out of 435. Any limits on their vote are purely a basis of who owns them on any given day. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 15:41:22 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:41:22 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and > Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the district > that was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area > all one district? Talk about gerrymandering! The U.S. Senators (2 per state) are all at-large. Bill O' From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 17:25:40 2010 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:25:40 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <90ec04421001231312p50f89cd9n6c1204f8f58fb8b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19291.19359.43552.472282@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <90ec04421001231312p50f89cd9n6c1204f8f58fb8b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5B7764.8060207@gmail.com> Ron Bello wrote: > Why did Barney Frank move to Newton from Back Bay to run for the seat > formerly held by Fr. Drinan in 1980 ? > > Any question that starts with "Why did Barney Frank..." that isn't rhetorical can't have an easy answer to swallow. These are the questions that provide for good radio fodder (and keep them hanging on through the spot break.) Bill O' From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Jan 23 16:19:40 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <20E6D5EA2967446CB2B164575D31FC15@SatU205S5044> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com> <20E6D5EA2967446CB2B164575D31FC15@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: I think the map you refer to is here: http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/2010/senate/results.html I think the lighter colors mean states that leaned one way or the other, while the darker color mean a more substantial margin. (Debatingly) interesting note: The town of Hawley (the only pink town in Northwestern Mass) is actually a perfect tie, but for some reason they chose to color it pink. -Bob On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If you are thinking of the same map that I'm thinking of, it used > colors to indicate towns that had voted for Obama in 2008 but had > voted for Brown in the 2010 special election. As far as I could tell, > such towns were colored pink. Densely populated towns, like mine > (Arlington), didn't occupy enough area for their names to appear, but > AFAIK, Arlington was colored pink, which I thought odd because > Arlington, though nowhere near as liberal as Brookline, has a > reputation for being, after Brookline, the second most strongly > Democratic town in the state. Indeed, the next day (Thursday), the > town newspaper (the Arlington Advocate) published the town election > results precinct by precinct. Approximately 20,000 Arlingtonians voted > in the special election and approximately 13,500, or more than 2/3, > voted for Coakley. > > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" > To: "SteveOrdinetz" ; > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election > > > > District? This was a Senate race, so the "district" is the entire >> state. But the Boston Globe earlier this week had an article and a >> map breaking down the vote by city/town, and I believe this is where >> this discussion originated. >> >> > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 23 18:12:12 2010 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:12:12 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com><20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <003301ca9c81$80111d80$72844c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Anderson To: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > I heard Howie Carr on WCRN play "Happy Days are Here Again" after the news Wednesday afternoon, in obvious > reference to Scott Brown winning. I thought it was distasteful. What did you think of the fist bumps and "Yes we can" chants during Brown's victory speech? Howard From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 18:33:57 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:33:57 -0600 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429771001231533o156bcf5dv44d620b1f66dc145@mail.gmail.com> I would like to know what the ad buying was like in Albany which serves many of the towns in Berkshire County. I am suspecting Brown did little there and just focused on Eastern Mass as by and large Coakly held her own in the Pioneer Valley area of Springfield-Amherst. I think the biggest factor is the black vote simply didn't come out for whatever reason. The big winners were 4, 5, 7 , 25, NESN and CSN as they sold most available slots. Now we are back to Snuggies. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Jan 23 21:48:01 2010 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:48:01 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4B5B7764.8060207@gmail.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19291.19359.43552.472282@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><90ec04421001231312p50f89cd9n6c1204f8f58fb8b7@mail.gmail.com> <4B5B7764.8060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EB7160A83E64892A1306B66A123BD2C@PaulPC> I thinnk the answer is that while LEGAL, it would have been very difficult to win a congressional seat when living outside the district. -Paul Hopfgarten -Concord NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Ron Bello" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election > Ron Bello wrote: >> Why did Barney Frank move to Newton from Back Bay to run for the seat >> formerly held by Fr. Drinan in 1980 ? >> >> > Any question that starts with "Why did Barney Frank..." that isn't > rhetorical can't have an easy answer to swallow. These are the questions > that provide for good radio fodder (and keep them hanging on through the > spot break.) > > Bill O' > From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 22 15:27:31 2010 From: lglavin@mail.com (lglavin@mail.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:27:31 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP In-Reply-To: <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu><8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> <20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8CC69B87537B5B1-1A08-9837@web-mmc-d17.sysops.aol.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: Donna Halper >To: raccoonradio@mail.com; aerie.ma@comcast.net; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:38 pm >Subject: Re: Air America, RIP >At 11:30 AM 1/22/2010, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: >I have never bought the argument that liberal talk "failed" here. I say this as a consultant, not as a proponent of progressive talk. (And I've been very outspoken on both the ineffective >way the Air America folks ran their network and the pitiful amount of support Clear Channel provided when they ran their incarnation of progressive talk here.) It took Rush Limbaugh FIVE >YEARS to become successful, yet progressive talk was expected to succeed in a year. It took a massive amount of cash and big promotion (and pandering to a large and angry and >"aggrieved" group of people) to get conservative talk off the ground. And yes, it took the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine so that one viewpoint was allowed to predominate without >any need to offer time to the other side. I still say that the best progressive talkers will continue to make money and get ratings in a number of cities. The soap opera story of Air America >did progressive talk no favors, but the format had a lot of other circumstances going against it. In Friday's Boston Globe, columnist Alex Beam lists the winners and losers resulting from the Brown victory. It includes an observation about Boston radio that the owners of WTKK probably wouldn't appreciate: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/01/22/brown_and_coakley_arent_the_only_winner_and_loser/ Emily Rooney stated on her radio show that the January 22nd edition of "Beat the Press" will also comment on the role that one-sided talk radio played in the election results. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 23 22:28:00 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:28:00 -0500 Subject: Air America, RIP References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><690DAB60540A431F9F66BA2E2DDA8851@fs.uml.edu><8CC6997494AACE7-F70-95B0@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com><20100122183816.31F4120801B0@relay12.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC69B87537B5B1-1A08-9837@web-mmc-d17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm think that on Here and Now on WBUR--maybe on Wednesday--Robin Young did a piece that started with clips of Severin, Carr, and possibly some other local hosts openly voicing unpaid commercials for Brown. Severin must have repeated "Vote... for... BROWN!" at least half a dozen times. Then came the question, "what ever happened to the Fairness Doctrine?" followed by explanations of what the FD was when it existed and that it no longer exists. In true NPR fashion, the piece came to no conclusion over whether, in the opinion of the public radio host or the reporter, it was good that the FD no longer exists. It's possible that I was listening not to Robin on WBUR but to Emily on WGBH. Easy to get the stations and the shows confused with each other. Not that Robin and Emily sound THAT much alike, but they do sound somewhat similar. However, Robin has the more pleasant voice and usually seems better prepared. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Air America, RIP Emily Rooney stated on her radio show that the January 22nd edition of "Beat the Press" will also comment on the role that one-sided talk radio played in the election results. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Jan 23 22:03:54 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:03:54 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> In addition I think that come presidential election time, electoral votes are awarded to the same number of Senators and Representatives in each state. MA would have 2 Sens and 10 Reps, VT 2 Sens and 1 Rep. States like California are big prizes to be won. Add them up and you get 535: 100 Senators and 435 Representatives --then add 3 for D.C. for a total of 538. However when a census is done, a state can lose a district or more. Mass. used to have 12 or even as many as 14 districts but lost population and it's been 10 for awhile. Who knows, could go down to 9. If this happens one Rep will be "gerrymandered out". Maps will be redrawn. The term comes from former MA gov Elbridge Gerry (of Marblehead, I think); a map drawn of one district (mine, Essex County) looked like a strange creature-- Gerry + Salamander, hence the term? State house and senate districts also can be gerrymandered and take on weird shapes. Scott Brown's state senate district includes Howie's town of Wellesley and heads all the way down to Wrentham near the R.I. border. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> >> Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and >> Mass. politics is peripheral at best. ?What encompasses the district that >> was former Ted Kennedy's? ?Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area all one >> district? ?Talk about gerrymandering! > > The U.S. Senators (2 per state) are all at-large. > > Bill O' > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sat Jan 23 23:08:21 2010 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:08:21 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are actually 538 electors in the electoral college, as Washington D.C. gets 3. This is the reason 270 votes are required to obtain a majority. Without D.C., a majority would only be 268. -Bob On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > In addition I think that come presidential election time, electoral > votes are awarded to the same number of Senators and Representatives > in each state. MA would have 2 Sens and 10 Reps, > VT 2 Sens and 1 Rep. States like California are big prizes to be won. > Add them up and you get 535: > 100 Senators and 435 Representatives --then add 3 for D.C. for a total > of 538. However when a census is done, a state can lose a district or > more. > > Mass. used to have 12 or even as many as 14 districts but lost > population and it's been 10 for awhile. Who knows, could go down to 9. > If this happens one Rep will be "gerrymandered out". > Maps will be redrawn. > The term comes from former MA gov Elbridge Gerry (of Marblehead, I > think); a map drawn of one district (mine, Essex County) looked like a > strange creature-- Gerry + Salamander, hence the term? > > State house and senate districts also can be gerrymandered and take > on weird shapes. Scott Brown's state senate district includes Howie's > town of Wellesley and heads all the way down to Wrentham near the R.I. > border. > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >> > >> Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and > >> Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the district > that > >> was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area all one > >> district? Talk about gerrymandering! > > > > The U.S. Senators (2 per state) are all at-large. > > > > Bill O' > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Jan 23 22:46:47 2010 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:46:47 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com><4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <378851DABFF44FD6A8CD08CB8006A7ED@PaulPC> Did you know??? 2 States (Maine, Nebraska) are NOT winner take call for Electoral Votes, but can be divied up by Congressional Districts... In Maine where there are 2 Congressional Seats, the Electoral votes could go 3-1 for one candidate over another (if 2 different candidates win in 2 different districts) This is up to each state to decide.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election In addition I think that come presidential election time, electoral votes are awarded to the same number of Senators and Representatives in each state. MA would have 2 Sens and 10 Reps, VT 2 Sens and 1 Rep. States like California are big prizes to be won. Add them up and you get 535: 100 Senators and 435 Representatives --then add 3 for D.C. for a total of 538. However when a census is done, a state can lose a district or more. Mass. used to have 12 or even as many as 14 districts but lost population and it's been 10 for awhile. Who knows, could go down to 9. If this happens one Rep will be "gerrymandered out". Maps will be redrawn. The term comes from former MA gov Elbridge Gerry (of Marblehead, I think); a map drawn of one district (mine, Essex County) looked like a strange creature-- Gerry + Salamander, hence the term? State house and senate districts also can be gerrymandered and take on weird shapes. Scott Brown's state senate district includes Howie's town of Wellesley and heads all the way down to Wrentham near the R.I. border. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> >> Excuse the stupid question, but I've lived in N.H. most of my life and >> Mass. politics is peripheral at best. What encompasses the district that >> was former Ted Kennedy's? Western Mass, the Cape & Boston area all one >> district? Talk about gerrymandering! > > The U.S. Senators (2 per state) are all at-large. > > Bill O' > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 24 00:03:58 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:03:58 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B5BD4BE.26867.5B3A2F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jan 2010 at 11:02, raccoonradio@mail.com wrote: > I heard a clip of Rachel Maddow getting all choked up when she > announced that Coakley was conceding. Now, is Maddow serving as a news > person here, covering the event, or was she in her opinion show mode? > Perhaps MSNBC should have had news people doing that sort of thing, > and then turn things over to Maddow to offer her opinions. > > Maybe if Coakley had won, she and her co-workers would have given high > fives and started to sing "We are the champions, no time for > losers..." ...But again WTKK was not exactly non-partisan that night > either! 'Twas ever thus. I believe we've all heard of the radio commentator (H.V. Kaltenborn, I believe) repeatedly declaring that returns soon to come in would show Dewey defeating Truman. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 24 00:03:58 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:03:58 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com>, <19291.13488.589439.287484@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5BD4BE.28116.5B3BA6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jan 2010 at 12:41, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Of course, the same is true for the House: the districts that > Representatives are elected from are only that; once they are sworn > in, they represent their entire states (even in California). > > Often they show little evidence of understanding this. I don't know of anything that actually says that. They must reside in the state (though not necessarily their district) when elected, but are generally expected to represent their districts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 24 00:03:58 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:03:58 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com>, <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B5BD4BE.8793.5B3C52@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jan 2010 at 12:16, Paul Anderson wrote: > I heard Howie Carr on WCRN play "Happy Days are Here Again" after the > news Wednesday afternoon, in obvious reference to Scott Brown winning. > I thought it was distasteful. I think that's interesting for a different reason. "Happy Days are Here Again" has traditionally been a Democratic theme song, used regularly by FDR's campaigns and again by Lyndon Johnson in 1964. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 24 00:04:00 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:04:00 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com>, Message-ID: <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jan 2010 at 13:31, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Are you sure??? I'm not on a position to declare that you are wrong > but what you're saying makes little sense to me. I'd appreciate a > reference. If you are correct, why aren't all representatives elected > at-large instead of being voted on only in their "own" districts? I > remember that, some years ago, a small state that had three > representives (might have been Montana--but that's strictly a guess) > had only two congressional districts. Each voter voted on the rep for > his/her district AND the representative at-large, who represented the > entire state. People used to half-jokingly refer to the at-large rep > as the state's "third senator." Representative districts probably go back to the first Congress, or shortly thereafter, but there is no provision for them in the Constitution. According to Wikipedia, a federal law has required districts since 1967. Before that, some states had "general ticket" representation, in which all representatives ran at-large. This may be why, when a state legislature fails to draw new districts, a court will draw them. Once upon a time, I remember it being said that if the legislature failed to draw new districts, all representatives would have to run at-large. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 00:10:34 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:10:34 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4b5b009f.8702be0a.2b8e.7135@mx.google.com> <4B5B5EF2.5070701@gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001231903r2eaa1e96te1255fec34331605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001232110k40bfa282ief93f4633a1727e9@mail.gmail.com> That is what I'd said--you get 535 then add the 3 from D.C. > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> Add them up and you get 535: >> 100 Senators and 435 Representatives --then add 3 for D.C. for a total >> of 538 From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 24 00:04:00 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:04:00 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001231113s63e4f58ej5016f54effba7fed@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <0KWP007DPOSI9070@asmtp019.mac.com>, <1fbbbced1001231113s63e4f58ej5016f54effba7fed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5BD4C0.12024.5B423E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 23 Jan 2010 at 14:13, Bob Nelson wrote: > And some hosts like Carr and McPhee have been using this a launching > point to discuss the possibility of candidates running against the > incumbents in each district; for example, if Brown did well in the > 10th District, would a Republican challenger to Delahunt (Joe Malone > is thinking about it) have a chance? I think people have been making too much of this election result. Massachusetts has a long history, going back to the 1960s at least, of electing attractive Republicans to statewide office. We've just had 16 years of Republican governors. Scott Brown fits the pattern of the typical successful Republican: Someone who runs as a moderate and independent of his party. Scott Brown hardly ever mentioned that he was a Republican. John Volpe capaigned in 1960 with the slogan "Vote the man, vote Volpe." Mitt Romney claimed to be pro-choice back in 2002. Such Republicans typically win when there is either a weak Democratic candidate or a split in Democratic ranks. I can understand national media not getting this point, but the local media really ought to know better. Joe Malone, on the other hand, has a past record as a state treasurer whose administration ended in major scandal. He may try to run, but I think Delahunt, provided he doesn't get to complacent, will win easily. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Jan 24 01:50:16 2010 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:50:16 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5BEDA8.1000100@server4.gabrielmass.com> To bring this back to where it began: On 01/22/2010 09:54 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me > that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted > overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the > Boston market went the other way. I don't know if the final results > show the same pattern, but if they do, it may say something > interesting about the impact of the mass media on the election. If you want to check how well those bore out in the final results, the Globe's map and figures are still on-line: http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/2010/senate/results.html There certainly are curious juxtapositions: Blandford went 62% for Brown, while _neighboring_ Becket went 62% for Coakley. --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 24 02:37:11 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:37:11 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4B5BEDA8.1000100@server4.gabrielmass.com> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B5BEDA8.1000100@server4.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <19291.63655.499767.262168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > To bring this back to where it began: > On 01/22/2010 09:54 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me >> that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted >> overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the >> Boston market went the other way. I don't know if the final results >> show the same pattern, but if they do, it may say something >> interesting about the impact of the mass media on the election. > If you want to check how well those bore out in the final results, the > Globe's map and figures are still on-line: > http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/2010/senate/results.html > There certainly are curious juxtapositions: Blandford went 62% for > Brown, while _neighboring_ Becket went 62% for Coakley. Blandford is in the Springfield TV market, whereas Becket is in the Albany TV market.[1] I rest my case. -GAWollman [1] For satellite local-into-local; zap2it.com doesn't know of any local cable systems. From tvnetdude@aol.com Sun Jan 24 10:00:15 2010 From: tvnetdude@aol.com (tvnetdude@aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:00:15 EST Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 Message-ID: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/2010 5:09:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>People on both sides are nasty. Keith Olbermann called Scott Brown every name in the book. To say that only one side does it is ridiculous. Carr did play Happy Days are Here Again (actually I think Avi Nelson did on election night too); the fact that the song is usually associated with Democrats was his sense of humor. Nelson, btw (no relation) does a rather erudite and thoughtful show. Oh wait, he's a conservative....<<< In person Keith Olberman won't look you in the eyes when he speaks to you. They used to goof on him when he first started at MSNBC. Mike From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 10:30:31 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:30:31 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001240730o4796d0d1sca87d48daedb690@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if his show is an act or not; I guess he apologized to Jon Stewart the other day for his recent behavior but I don't think he's apologized to Brown. "I have been a bit over the top. Sorry." http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/01/23/olbermann-apologizes-stewart-i-have-been-little-over-top-lately He used to date conservative talk host Laura Ingraham years ago believe it or not! She used to work for MSNBC. I did get a kick out of Keith's joke before a debate: "If you speak over the time limit one time, we will shut the air conditioning off. Then if you do it again, we'll turn the heat on..." :) On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM, wrote: > In person Keith Olberman won't look you in the eyes when he speaks to ?you. > ?They used to goof on him when he first started at MSNBC. > > Mike > From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 24 12:31:16 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> Message-ID: <0KWR00D2SHXE5340@asmtp021.mac.com> > >In a message dated 1/23/2010 5:09:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > > >>>People on both sides are nasty. Keith Olbermann called Scott Brown >every name in the book. To say that only one side does it >is ridiculous. Carr >did play Happy Days are Here Again (actually I think Avi Nelson did on >election night too); the fact that the song is usually associated >with Democrats >was his sense of humor. Nelson, btw (no relation) does a rather erudite >and thoughtful show. Oh wait, >he's a conservative....<<< All this says is that there are pompous asses in the media on both sides (are there only two?) of the political spectrum. Which does not make any of it right, but it happens, and it's not the end of the world. At the risk of starting an even bigger discussion, I think the Supreme Court decision this week is much more important in the long term than the Senate dropping to only an 18 seat majority for the Democrats. I'm sure the owners in the broadcasting industry are happy, as political ads have become a major source of revenue. And since the saying is that all politics is local, the majority of that advertising goes to local media. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From map@mapinternet.com Sun Jan 24 13:00:00 2010 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:00:00 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19291.63655.499767.262168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5BEDA8.1000100@server4.gabrielmass.com> <19291.63655.499767.262168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0096525B1AB24DA3A2D1ACB2DBCBD421@CASEYPC> > There certainly are curious juxtapositions: Blandford went 62% for > Brown, while _neighboring_ Becket went 62% for Coakley. Blandford is in the Springfield TV market, whereas Becket is in the Albany TV market.[1] I rest my case. -GAWollman TV markets don't explain why both Hampshire and Franklin Counties, the cities of Springfield, and Holyoke went for Coakley by far. TV markets can go in the stew with a mix of factors like town lib-conserv politics (Amherst-Northampton vs the affluent Springfield suburbs), Coakley's percieved hometown and area roots(Berkshire County), party registration , how strong of a local committee each candidate had within individual towns (this factor probably had the most to do with the outcome in individual Western Mass towns), and Brown's and Coakley's visits to the area. Mark Casey From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 13:38:20 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:20 -0600 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> I will guess that in Springfield 22 and 40 and the cable version of CBS3 geared for Ma give the Senate race lots of coverage. Also WBZ radio has a solid signal into Springfield as does WRKO by day. As you get further west you then get the Albany outlets who most likely just gave the race minor coverage. We saw something similar in the 80's when Jerry Williams went on his seat belt crusade. Where WRKO could be heard the vote went with Jerry - out west voters wanted to keep the law. By and large statewide elections tend to ignore the 413 area code. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 24 15:32:11 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:32:11 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20100124203222.9B5523EF168@relay5.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 10:00 AM 1/24/2010, tvnetdude@aol.com wrote: >In person Keith Olberman won't look you in the eyes when he speaks to you. > They used to goof on him when he first started at MSNBC. > Oh dear. I met him at an ACLU First Amendment dinner and he was looking everyone in the eye and being very cordial. Maybe it wasn't really him? From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 17:40:42 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:40:42 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <0KWR00D2SHXE5340@asmtp021.mac.com> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> <0KWR00D2SHXE5340@asmtp021.mac.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001241440s5a9a9df4o97cfc03dbe6202e2@mail.gmail.com> Note also that while corporations benefit...so do unions.,..with the recent decision. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 24 17:52:25 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:52:25 -0500 Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001241440s5a9a9df4o97cfc03dbe6202e2@mail.gmail.co m> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> <0KWR00D2SHXE5340@asmtp021.mac.com> <1fbbbced1001241440s5a9a9df4o97cfc03dbe6202e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KWR0060HWS89I30@asmtp022.mac.com> At 05:40 PM 1/24/2010, Bob Nelson wrote: >Note also that while corporations benefit...so do unions.,..with the >recent decision. But the unions do not have anywhere near the kind of money that corporations have. A lot of unions are struggling, as companies lay of workers and/or export jobs, there are fewer union members paying dues. You can't spend money you don't have! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 17:41:29 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:41:29 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001241441s172b4fa9rcb273476837fe60@mail.gmail.com> Howie is on WHYN in Holyoke... From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 24 21:15:38 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:15:38 -0500 Subject: Administrivia In-Reply-To: <0KWR0060HWS89I30@asmtp022.mac.com> References: <393ba.41c8df5a.388dba7f@aol.com> <0KWR00D2SHXE5340@asmtp021.mac.com> <1fbbbced1001241440s5a9a9df4o97cfc03dbe6202e2@mail.gmail.com> <0KWR0060HWS89I30@asmtp022.mac.com> Message-ID: <19292.65226.569144.755167@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Somebody, it doesn't matter who, wrote: > Subject: Re: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27 Just a reminder, folks: Please provide meaningful subject headers. List members who haven't established a track record here get their posts rejected for having a subject header like this one, but I don't have a good way of doing the same for those of you who get approved automatically. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 24 21:16:30 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:16:30 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001241441s172b4fa9rcb273476837fe60@mail.gmail.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001241441s172b4fa9rcb273476837fe60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19292.65278.983887.452507@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Howie is on WHYN in Holyoke... WHYN has been a Springfield station for a few decades now.... -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 23:02:51 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:02:51 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19292.65278.983887.452507@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com> <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced1001241441s172b4fa9rcb273476837fe60@mail.gmail.com> <19292.65278.983887.452507@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001242002j7fd86f95u2d684d015735cac2@mail.gmail.com> I stand corrected...I looked them up on Wikipedia and found they were originally on 1400 licensed to Northampton and then moved to 560; the calls were for H_olYoke- N_orthampton. I thought Howie said they were a Holyoke station but yes, Springfield... On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Howie is on WHYN in Holyoke... > > WHYN has been a Springfield station for a few decades now.... > > -GAWollman > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 25 01:02:33 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:02:33 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <19291.63655.499767.262168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <4B5BEDA8.1000100@server4.gabrielmass.com>, <19291.63655.499767.262168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5D33F9.20172.881900@joe.attorneyross.com> > >> I was talking with Scott on Tuesday night, and he pointed out to me > >> that traditionally Republican parts of Western Mass. voted > >> overwhelmingly for Coakley over Brown, whereas people within the > >> Boston market went the other way. I don't know if the final > >> results show the same pattern, but if they do, it may say something > >> interesting about the impact of the mass media on the election. I'm not sure there is much left of the "traditionally Republican" parts of Western Massachusetts these days. I remember being in Amherst on election night 1972, watching local returns as the last Republican county office holders and the last Republican state senators in Western Massachusetts bit the dust. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 25 01:02:33 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:02:33 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <013901ca9c52$b18cb380$14a61a80$@com>, <4B5BD4C0.26923.5B4192@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429771001241038h386a6e10t74ea7d2eed02f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5D33F9.23841.8819CC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Jan 2010 at 12:38, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Also WBZ radio has a solid signal into Springfield as does WRKO by > day. That's not clear at all. I often found WBZ's night signal difficult to listen to in Amherst when I was in college there in the 1960s. I've also found it hard to listen to on the car radio while driving home from there. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Jan 25 08:16:44 2010 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:16:44 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <003301ca9c81$80111d80$72844c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com><19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com><20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com><8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> <003301ca9c81$80111d80$72844c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <153D3C51-717E-4210-B9E4-FEA0C01CE0D4@charter.net> On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > What did you think of the fist bumps and "Yes we can" chants during Brown's victory speech? I wasn't sure whether it was respectful to, making fun of, or just plain copying of Deval Patrick's and Barack Obama's slogan. It was odd. And I agree with Glenn Beck that Scott Brown was "creepy" when he said his daughters were "available". I cringed and attributed it to his inexperience at such an event. Paul From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Jan 25 08:59:31 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:59:31 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <153D3C51-717E-4210-B9E4-FEA0C01CE0D4@charter.net> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC695421C95F27-11EC-8635@web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com> <19290.25850.680372.477289@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4B5A68CD.1040901@fybush.com> <20100123044215.5D8F610409@relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> <8CC6A5C9A365879-890-ACB2@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> <76F48A52-AFD7-4564-8691-E0410F4BA6A4@charter.net> <003301ca9c81$80111d80$72844c0c@oemcomputer> <153D3C51-717E-4210-B9E4-FEA0C01CE0D4@charter.net> Message-ID: <9ff2be351001250559u91f49a0o70b6bdaf60f1e31d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > I wasn't sure whether it was respectful to, making fun of, or just plain > copying of Deval Patrick's and Barack Obama's slogan. It was odd. And I > agree with Glenn Beck that Scott Brown was "creepy" when he said his > daughters were "available". I cringed and attributed it to his inexperience > at such an event. > And then we wonder why we end up with the calibre of politicians that we get. You have to be so careful what you say so it isnt' mis-interpreted or doesn't offend some thin-skinned group that 'most anyone who might actually have some integrity or concern for their private life doesn't want the hassle. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 25 11:35:44 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:35:44 -0500 Subject: Media impact on the special election In-Reply-To: <153D3C51-717E-4210-B9E4-FEA0C01CE0D4@charter.net> References: <20100121224655.3764A1279263@relay1.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com>, <003301ca9c81$80111d80$72844c0c@oemcomputer>, <153D3C51-717E-4210-B9E4-FEA0C01CE0D4@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B5DC860.9187.2CBC907@joe.attorneyross.com> On 25 Jan 2010 at 8:16, Paul Anderson wrote: > I wasn't sure whether it was respectful to, making fun of, or just > plain copying of Deval Patrick's and Barack Obama's slogan. It was > odd. And I agree with Glenn Beck that Scott Brown was "creepy" when > he said his daughters were "available". I cringed and attributed it > to his inexperience at such an event. Actually, Deval Patrick's and Barack Obama's slogans are slightly different. Deval Patrick's slogan last election was "Together We Can." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Jan 25 20:41:23 2010 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:41:23 EST Subject: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30 Message-ID: <251f0.e3fd9bc.388fa243@aol.com> Well if you are not a member of his fan club and confront him one on one he backs right down. I would love to see him one on one with people he bad mouths. THAT would be a good show! Mike In a message dated 1/25/2010 12:01:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Oh dear. I met him at an ACLU First Amendment dinner and he was looking everyone in the eye and being very cordial. Maybe it wasn't really him? <<< From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Jan 25 20:43:11 2010 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:43:11 EST Subject: Administrivia Message-ID: <252fe.6a217dd8.388fa2af@aol.com> Yes I noticed it had the wrong header after I hit send. In a message dated 1/25/2010 12:01:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: Just a reminder, folks: Please provide meaningful subject headers. List members who haven't established a track record here get their posts rejected for having a subject header like this one, but I don't have a good way of doing the same for those of you who get approved automatically. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Jan 25 23:23:55 2010 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:23:55 -0600 Subject: WBZ history - John Bassett Message-ID: <4fc429771001252023m7f4a9e05p7cf45fa57baeb397@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps Prof Halper (bowing) might know the answer but my question is about former WBZ announcer John Bassett. (1950's) http://www.wbz.com/1950-s/1097165 I am curious if he is the same John Bassett who worked at WHDH in the 60's doing Bruins color and if he had any connection to the Bassett media family from Canada. In a related area I helped the Bruins put together a list of their broadcasters and I think it is complete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_Bruins_broadcasters From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 26 00:59:30 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:59:30 -0500 Subject: [Boston_Progressive_Talk] Re: a dark day... In-Reply-To: References: <391053.29640.qm@web114105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <4B5E84C2.6795.7FDA97@joe.attorneyross.com> On 25 Jan 2010 at 18:40, Amy wrote: > Remember we had health insurance reform under Romney, it was > a disaster with premiums through the roof. That fed alot into > the Brown victory. I don't think so. Commonwealth Care has been a big success. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 26 01:14:26 2010 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:14:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ history - John Bassett In-Reply-To: <4fc429771001252023m7f4a9e05p7cf45fa57baeb397@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429771001252023m7f4a9e05p7cf45fa57baeb397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100126061441.C2D345D810A@relay3.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com> At 11:23 PM 1/25/2010, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Perhaps Prof Halper (bowing) might know the answer but my question is >about former WBZ announcer John Bassett. (1950's) John Bassett, the guy who ended up as GM at WCCM in Lawrence? He was one of the original "Live Five" in late 1956, when WBZ dropped network programming and began featuring live disc jockeys. He had been on the air locally at several stations, if I recall correctly-- I keep thinking he was on the old WORL and he was definitely with WHDH in the late 60s, but I truly do not recall whether he did any sports. I also don't think he's Canadian. Let me see if I can find my file on his career. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 26 01:18:35 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Boston_Progressive_Talk] Re: a dark day... In-Reply-To: <4B5E84C2.6795.7FDA97@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <391053.29640.qm@web114105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B5E84C2.6795.7FDA97@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19294.35131.57539.961517@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 25 Jan 2010 at 18:40, Amy wrote: >> Remember we had health insurance reform under Romney, it was >> a disaster with premiums through the roof. That fed alot into >> the Brown victory. > I don't think so. Commonwealth Care has been a big success. Please don't cross-post, particularly not off-topic threads. -GAWollman From map@mapinternet.com Tue Jan 26 12:22:19 2010 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:22:19 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield Message-ID: WBZ's signal in Springfield is fair to poor daytime, and even though the signal strength is better at night, it's mostly unlistenable due to fading, cancellation and now KDKA's sidebands. In a car with a vertical antenna it's a little better at night. As long as AM digital has made a real mess of the AM band, I figured why not see if I could pull out WBZ's digital signal near Springfield, but no way. Now, I'm going to try the digital in Eastern North Carolina, where WBZ's night signal is already very good. WBZA, Springfield--please return! WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent at night. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Media impact on the special election On 24 Jan 2010 at 12:38, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Also WBZ radio has a solid signal into Springfield as does WRKO by > day. That's not clear at all. I often found WBZ's night signal difficult to listen to in Amherst when I was in college there in the 1960s. I've also found it hard to listen to on the car radio while driving home from there. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 26 15:43:59 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:43:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501ca9ec8$49cf7160$dd6e5420$@net> > WBZ's signal in Springfield is fair to poor daytime, and even though > the > signal strength is better at night, it's mostly unlistenable due to > fading, > cancellation and now KDKA's sidebands. In a car with a vertical antenna > it's > a little better at night. As long as AM digital has made a real mess of > the > AM band, I figured why not see if I could pull out WBZ's digital signal > near > Springfield, but no way. Now, I'm going to try the digital in Eastern > North > Carolina, where WBZ's night signal is already very good. > > WBZA, Springfield--please return! > > WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent at > night. It depends on what you're using for a receiver. I've actually been out in the Springfield area a couple times in the past few weeks. On the radio in my work truck (2010 Toyota Tacoma) WBZ (the strongest obviously), WRKO, and even WEEI come in quite well out in Springfield, and going north from there. This is a very good radio on AM, that has little or no problem with internal engine noise. Obviously if you're driving through downtown, or under power lines, it's not going to work. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 26 16:56:16 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:56:16 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield References: <001501ca9ec8$49cf7160$dd6e5420$@net> Message-ID: <80E523CF13974991ADF2BA3223B62CE7@SatU205S5044> Using the V-Soft signal strength by Zip code Web site (http://zipsignal.v-soft.com/) for Zip 01103 (one of many Springfield Zips) I did not see a listing for either WRKO or WBZ. The listing cuts off at 0.34 mV/m, a rather weak signal but often a listenable one by day under good conditions. At night, co-channel interference limits most AM listening to signals substantially greater than 0.34 mV/m (for example, I suspect that WRKO's NIF contour is at least an order of magnitude greater than 0.34) but, if that were the strength of WBZ's signal, I would expect it to be audible under good conditions provided that KDKA's upper IBOC sideband were not a problem, because, as a Class A AM, WBZ is protected from co-channel interference to its 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour (except for IBOC hash from first adjacents). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Mark Casey'" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: RE: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield >> WBZ's signal in Springfield is fair to poor daytime, and even >> though >> the >> signal strength is better at night, it's mostly unlistenable due to >> fading, >> cancellation and now KDKA's sidebands. In a car with a vertical >> antenna >> it's >> a little better at night. As long as AM digital has made a real >> mess of >> the >> AM band, I figured why not see if I could pull out WBZ's digital >> signal >> near >> Springfield, but no way. Now, I'm going to try the digital in >> Eastern >> North >> Carolina, where WBZ's night signal is already very good. >> >> WBZA, Springfield--please return! >> >> WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent >> at >> night. > > It depends on what you're using for a receiver. I've actually been > out in > the Springfield area a couple times in the past few weeks. On the > radio in > my work truck (2010 Toyota Tacoma) WBZ (the strongest obviously), > WRKO, and > even WEEI come in quite well out in Springfield, and going north > from there. > This is a very good radio on AM, that has little or no problem with > internal > engine noise. Obviously if you're driving through downtown, or under > power > lines, it's not going to work. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From Cdsull502@aol.com Tue Jan 26 17:53:31 2010 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:53:31 EST Subject: Springfield Book Message-ID: <19d63.55af293.3890cc6b@aol.com> Does anyone know if WBZ shows up in the Springfield ratings? I know they used to in the 70's but that have been a carryover from the WBZA days. Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com From friedbagels@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 18:45:15 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:45:15 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield Message-ID: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> WBZ's signal in Springfield is fair to poor daytime, and even though the signal strength is better at night, it's mostly unlistenable due to fading, cancellation and now KDKA's sidebands. (snip) WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent at night. ----------- When I first moved out to Rochester from Boston two years ago, I was driving back and forth along the Thruway & Masspike at least two or three times a month for 7-8 months, so I had ample opportunity to sample Boston-area signals. Especially WRKO, WEEI and WTIC (AM), the latter isn't Boston, of course, but it IS the Red Sox affiliate. :) And I'd usually try WBZ just to see if I could get the HD signal for the heck of it. I have a pretty good AM receiver in my car, and in my experience WRKO & WEEI are audible by day pretty far west...even past Springfield (by not by much) but the quality isn't very good. An hour or two before sunset it rapidly gets poorer as skywave creeps in, and once they switch to night pattern, you can't get WRKO or WEEI in Framingham, much less all the way the heck out in Springfield. I found WBZ to be a remarkably solid signal throughout the Masspike and all the way out to Rochester (and probably beyond). Yes, as you're driving along you can and will often hit patches where it fades out. And getting the HD signal is usually not possible past Worcester (if that far)...although here in Geneva, NY after dark I can usually get the HD light blinking and call letters to appear for WBZ. Sometimes it'll blend to digital for a second or two then slip back. FWIW, WTIC has lousy reception by comparison. By day it was usually not receivable past the NY/Mass border, and at night the skywave/groundwave zone was huge...to the point where you can't get clear skywave reception until you get out almost to Rochester proper. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 26 20:24:47 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:24:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford sunset). Now that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford sunset, my guess is that you would have trouble getting it in HD in Western NY at night, whereas until the after-dark pattern change, you probably used to get it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield > > FWIW, WTIC has lousy reception by comparison. By day it was usually > not receivable past the NY/Mass border, and at night the > skywave/groundwave zone was huge...to the point where you can't get > clear skywave reception until you get out almost to Rochester > proper. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio > friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) > Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 26 22:50:10 2010 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:50:10 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield In-Reply-To: <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4B5FB7F2.3060406@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX > sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford sunset). Now > that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford sunset, my guess is > that you would have trouble getting it in HD in Western NY at night, > whereas until the after-dark pattern change, you probably used to get > it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. WTIC has never been strong enough to decode HD audio here in Rochester. I have managed to get data to decode once or twice. Even when they were on ND after Hartford sunset, the signal's just too fadey and has too much adjacent-channel noise from WBAL and CHOK to make HD a possibility here. s From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 27 00:31:12 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:31:12 -0500 Subject: [Boston_Progressive_Talk] Re: a dark day... In-Reply-To: <19294.35131.57539.961517@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <391053.29640.qm@web114105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <4B5E84C2.6795.7FDA97@joe.attorneyross.com>, <19294.35131.57539.961517@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4B5FCFA0.2459.5C8CDF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jan 2010 at 1:18, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Please don't cross-post, particularly not off-topic threads. I think I did that by mistake. Sorry. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 27 00:31:13 2010 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:31:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield In-Reply-To: <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com>, <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4B5FCFA1.9152.5C8DE8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jan 2010 at 20:24, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX > sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford sunset). Now > that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford sunset, my guess is > that you would have trouble getting it in HD in Western NY at night, > whereas until the after-dark pattern change, you probably used to get > it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. Why did they change that? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Jan 26 21:53:13 2010 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:53:13 -0700 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield In-Reply-To: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC552F65AEE1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent at night. ----------- "once they switch to night pattern, you can't get WRKO or WEEI in Framingham, much less all the way the heck out in Springfield." WEEI and WRKO are protecting co-channel signals in the far west at night, so their patterns are nulled in the direction of those stations...WEEI protects KOA/Denver and WRKO protects KNBR/SF. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 27 08:19:23 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:19:23 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC552F65AEE1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: No question that WRKO protects KNBR which, many decades ago, was a de-facto Class IA, although it had been a Class IB for at least 40 years before all Class I AMs became Class As. I think, though, that if you examine the history of the 680 frequency, you will find that WPTF (a Class B, and before that, a Class II) was operating full time for several years in the late '30s or early '40s while WLAW (the predecessor of today's WRKO) was still a daytimer. Also, I believe that WPTF increased power to 50 kW-U years before WLAW did. WRKO's night pattern (once its DA-1 pattern) protects WPTF, and by pattern summetry, also protects the first-adjacent Class A (ex-CBF) in Montreal. It has been claimed that WEEI (then WHDH) was the first Class II-D (daytimer on a Class I channel) to be granted full-time authority on what had been a de-facto Class IA channel. I'm pretty sure that WHDH ran 5 kW-U DA-N on KOA's channel from what is now the WROL site in Saugus before WLAW began operating full time (I think with 1 kW-D/500W-N DA-N) from Andover. I suspect, however (although I don't know for sure), that WPTF went full-time on 680 before WHDH went full-time on (I think) 830, which I believe was the pre-NARBA equivalent of today's 850. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: RE: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield "WRKO's signal is very poor daytime and usually almost non-existent at night. ----------- "once they switch to night pattern, you can't get WRKO or WEEI in Framingham, much less all the way the heck out in Springfield." WEEI and WRKO are protecting co-channel signals in the far west at night, so their patterns are nulled in the direction of those stations...WEEI protects KOA/Denver and WRKO protects KNBR/SF. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Jan 27 09:22:03 2010 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:22:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield In-Reply-To: <4B5FB7F2.3060406@fybush.com> References: <4B5F7E8B.9000203@gmail.com> <97192EBFC29444A6AD294D1824462522@SatU205S5044> <4B5FB7F2.3060406@fybush.com> Message-ID: The analog audio itself on WTIC does come in pretty clearly after dark in Rochester. But go maybe 15-20 miles east and it gets almost unlistenable. In Geneva you can barely get WTIC's skywave at all, and only in very specific spots. This was a major bummer when I was making the majority of my trips from Geneva-Boston and back in September and October of 2007. - Aaron On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> >> Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX >> sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford sunset). Now >> that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford sunset, my guess is >> that you would have trouble getting it in HD in Western NY at night, >> whereas until the after-dark pattern change, you probably used to get >> it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. > > WTIC has never been strong enough to decode HD audio here in Rochester. I > have managed to get data to decode once or twice. Even when they were on ND > after Hartford sunset, the signal's just too fadey and has too much > adjacent-channel noise from WBAL and CHOK to make HD a possibility here. > > s > -- -- ----------------------------------------- Aaron Read friedbagels@gmail.com WEOS 89.7FM General Manager (315) 781-3811 From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Jan 27 20:06:41 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:06:41 -0500 Subject: Springfield Book In-Reply-To: <19d63.55af293.3890cc6b@aol.com> References: <19d63.55af293.3890cc6b@aol.com> Message-ID: <4b60e339.c501be0a.2bb0.1155@mx.google.com> At 05:53 PM 1/26/2010, Cdsull502@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know if WBZ shows up in the Springfield ratings? I know they >used to in the 70's but that have been a carryover from the WBZA days. > WBZA was long gone by the 70s, so if WBZ was showing up in the Springfield book, they were hearing the Hull signal. From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 01:50:26 2010 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:50:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: WTIC skywave (Was WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield) Message-ID: <204675.56092.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX > sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford > sunset). Now that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford >sunset, my guess is that you would have trouble getting it in HD in >Western NY at night, whereas until the after-dark pattern change, >you probably used to get it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. ? ? IIRC, the change that occurred lately -- maybe in 08 or 09 ? -- did not change WTIC's operation. Rather, it was a decision of some sort from the FCC that said WTIC is not entitled to protection of its skywave signal while operating non-directional after sunset beyond the skywave contour it would have if it were already operating on its night pattern. I think this involved the FCC approving an application from a small station somewhere in the Midwest? ? ???I don't know whether the FCC gave any reason for, in effect, a decision that contradicts 70 years of its own precedent without a full-scale procedure. Oh, but that's just me . . . ? ?I suppose it was just being consistent, really, in following on its 40 years of trashing the original I-A and I-B channels in this small, individual case. Because WTIC's license is unique (although KFAB, 1110, Omaha, switching back to non-directional at sunrise at WBT, Charlotte, is a sort of mirror image), this narrow question just probably never was raised until now. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 28 10:31:42 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:31:42 -0500 Subject: WTIC skywave (Was WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield) References: <204675.56092.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2760FB8E4FCB4E4EB62F5DFAC03389AA@SatU205S5044> I'm pretty sure it was last year. Maybe only about six months ago. There was no change in the night pattern or the daytime ND operation. What changed was the time of the evening pattern change. It used to occur at Dallas sunset; it now occurs at Hartford sunset, which I'm guessing averages about 45 minutes before Dallas sunset. The morning pattern change remains at Hartford sunrise. The reason is that WOAP, a daytimer on 1080 in Owosso MI, holds a CP to change its CoL to Waverly MI and increase from 1 kW ND-D to 50 kW DA-D (six towers). WOAP's intent was also to add night service with 4.5 kW from the same six towers but with a slighly different pattern. However, Waverly apparently either lies within WTIC's 50 kW ND 50% skywave contour or is so close to it that, even with the six-tower DA, WOAP could not operate at night without interfering with what was believed to be WTIC's protected skywave contour during the time between Hartford and Dallas sunsets. At one point, WOAP said that if it was granted the improved facilities, it would sign off at Waverly sunset and sign back on at Dallas sunset. Given Michgan's westerly position in the Eastern time zone, I'm guessing that, at least in some months, that would have resulted in a 15-minute-long "pattern change";>) Anyhow, the FCC was apparently hanging back in granting WOAP's application for night service and eventually concluded that, under the terms of its license, during the period between Hartford and Dallas sunsets, WTIC was entitled to no protection whatever of its ND skywave service, and the only way that WTIC could avoid losing its protection was to switch to its night facilities at Hartford sunset. CBS had the option of objecting but it chose not do so and WTIC should now be changing to DA-N operation at Hartford sunset. Years ago, CBS would certainly have tied up WOAP's application for night service with a protracted and costly legal challenge, but the network's position on such matters has obviously changed. For example, it doesn't seem to care that its own WBZ and KDKA destroy each other's night signals with IBOC hash and it didn't object to WBIX's (now granted) application to increase its day power to 50 kW by using its night pattern by day from what had been its night site. During the daytime, that operation will send an inverse-distance field of almost 7 V/m @ 1km toward WBZ. That application was predicated on some findings about the soil conductivity in the region between Ashland and Newton that I find amazing. At the very least, I would have expected CBS to insist that the FCC require WBIX to further substantiate its measurements. Apparently, however, CBS did not do that. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Waters" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: WTIC skywave (Was WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield) --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Remember that WTIC used to stay on ND day pattern until Dallas TX > sunset (which must be typically 45 minutes after Hartford > sunset). Now that WTIC switches to night pattern at Hartford > >sunset, my guess is that you would have trouble getting it in HD > in > >Western NY at night, whereas until the after-dark pattern change, > >you probably used to get it in HD pretty regularly in Western NY. IIRC, the change that occurred lately -- maybe in 08 or 09 ? -- did not change WTIC's operation. Rather, it was a decision of some sort from the FCC that said WTIC is not entitled to protection of its skywave signal while operating non-directional after sunset beyond the skywave contour it would have if it were already operating on its night pattern. I think this involved the FCC approving an application from a small station somewhere in the Midwest? I don't know whether the FCC gave any reason for, in effect, a decision that contradicts 70 years of its own precedent without a full-scale procedure. Oh, but that's just me . . . I suppose it was just being consistent, really, in following on its 40 years of trashing the original I-A and I-B channels in this small, individual case. Because WTIC's license is unique (although KFAB, 1110, Omaha, switching back to non-directional at sunrise at WBT, Charlotte, is a sort of mirror image), this narrow question just probably never was raised until now. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 28 11:14:09 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:14:09 -0500 Subject: WTIC skywave (Was WBZ & WRKO signal in Springfield) In-Reply-To: <2760FB8E4FCB4E4EB62F5DFAC03389AA@SatU205S5044> References: <204675.56092.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2760FB8E4FCB4E4EB62F5DFAC03389AA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19297.47057.880630.195995@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > it doesn't seem to care that its own WBZ and KDKA destroy each other's > night signals with IBOC hash and it didn't object to WBIX's (now > granted) application to increase its day power to 50 kW by using its > night pattern by day from what had been its night site. They probably reasoned (correctly in my view) that 50 kW from Ashland would put fewer people in the zone of interference than 40 kW from Mt. Wayte with a much looser pattern does. -GAWollman (writing to you from beautiful Millbrae, California, on my phone) From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 29 03:47:40 2010 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (raccoonradio@mail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:47:40 -0500 Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com Message-ID: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Radioinsight.com and bostonradiowatch note that Clear Channel registered RushRadio1200.com the other day; sign that he will be pulled off WRKO in April when "WXKS 1200" debuts? Unless CC intends it for WOAI San Antonio (which does run Rush already "News Talk 1200"). A WHOIS search said that Clear Channel registered it on Jan 26 of this year and for now it will expire Jan 26 of 2011. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 29 06:10:41 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:10:41 -0500 Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com References: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BE519693D88472BB47EC794D2178F04@SatU205S5044> Certainly possible (likely, even) that CCU has taken out the URL for what is today still WKOX. But, besides Newton and San Antonio, there are lots of 1200s around the country (this is not the early 80s, when WOAI was all there was). I have no idea how many, if any, of those are also owned by CCU and how many more, if any, that are not CCU-owned nevertheless carry Limbaugh. Heck, I can imagine them having RushRadio1200s in half a dozen cities (as in Rushradio1200Boston, Rushradio1200SanAntonio etc) and licensing the URL to stations they don't own that carry Limbaugh. After all, since CCU owns at least part of Premiere, they own at least part of Limbaugh and hence at least part of his name. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:47 AM Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com Radioinsight.com and bostonradiowatch note that Clear Channel registered RushRadio1200.com the other day; sign that he will be pulled off WRKO in April when "WXKS 1200" debuts? Unless CC intends it for WOAI San Antonio (which does run Rush already "News Talk 1200"). A WHOIS search said that Clear Channel registered it on Jan 26 of this year and for now it will expire Jan 26 of 2011. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 29 06:16:01 2010 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:16:01 -0600 Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com In-Reply-To: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001290316l11082b54y9729d11843380fca@mail.gmail.com> And this could be nothing more then a ploy to get people talking, cuse radio companies know peolpe sniff out domain names and try to figure out what a radio station will be donig. Im just saying. It's VERY possible and likely that 1200 will be RUsh Radio...... but dont take just a domain name as proof of a slgoan or programming hit for a radio station Paul On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:47 AM, wrote: > > > > Radioinsight.com and bostonradiowatch note that Clear Channel registered > RushRadio1200.com > the other day; sign that he will be pulled off WRKO in April when "WXKS > 1200" debuts? Unless > CC intends it for WOAI San Antonio (which does run Rush already "News Talk > 1200"). A WHOIS search > said that Clear Channel registered it on Jan 26 of this year and for now it > will expire Jan 26 of > 2011. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:12:00 2010 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:12:00 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight Message-ID: <1fbbbced1001291112w6ce6c80epb5e5275f7c31a3c4@mail.gmail.com> Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 (has links to recorded loops) From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 29 15:16:20 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:16:20 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight References: <1fbbbced1001291112w6ce6c80epb5e5275f7c31a3c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E55B949BE64B20B89081675B47A738@SatU205S5044> If other AMs in the Montreal market are staying on the air, I would imagine that, in due course, the frequencies will return to life. They are both true Class A assignments (as opposed to the Class A in name only assignments that have become popular in Canada) and, AFAIK, are the only such in the Province of Quebec. 690 has been French as long as I can remember and 940 has been English for just as long. It would be a natural for CJAD to move to 940 and it might make sense for CKAC to move to 690. A move to 940 would be a big plus for CJAD, which is a Class B that has highly restrictive directional patterns and runs 10 kW at night (vs 50 kW by day). Also, CJAD must receive a fairly high level of interference from CKLW at night, even though CKLW protects CJAD. Benefits to CKAC from a move to 690 would be less dramatic, but CKAC might continue to operate from its existing site instead of moving to the CINF site. This might enable CKAC to retain its slightly more efficient towers while also getting a slightly quieter frequency at night. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight > Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being > the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being > shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer > viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC > and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html > > http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 > (has links to recorded loops) From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Jan 29 16:59:05 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:59:05 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight In-Reply-To: <43E55B949BE64B20B89081675B47A738@SatU205S5044> References: <1fbbbced1001291112w6ce6c80epb5e5275f7c31a3c4@mail.gmail.com> <43E55B949BE64B20B89081675B47A738@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: If I remember correctly, CINW is the direct descendent of CFCF and XWA, and was the first commercial station in Canada. Quel dommage! > Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being > the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being > shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer > viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC > and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html > > http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 > (has links to recorded loops) From dave@skywaves.net Fri Jan 29 23:05:17 2010 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:05:17 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced1001291112w6ce6c80epb5e5275f7c31a3c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced1001291112w6ce6c80epb5e5275f7c31a3c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep. Listened to the loop (in French) on 690 on the way home from Providence to Worcester, and they're off now. -d -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Nelson" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:12 PM To: "Boston Radio Group" Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight > > Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being > the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being > shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer > viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC > and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html > > http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 > (has links to recorded loops) > From n1wbd@peoplepc.com Sat Jan 30 10:36:49 2010 From: n1wbd@peoplepc.com (Bob Hale) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:36:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight Message-ID: <10822302.1264865809425.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was listening to 940 here on my Icom Ic-751 and they had a good signal here in Grafton,NH at about 1pm Friday. Shame to see a AM station shutdown like that. Bob N1WBD >Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:12 PM >To: "Boston Radio Group" >Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight > >> >> Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being >> the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being >> shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer >> viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC >> and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running >> >> http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html >> >> http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 >> (has links to recorded loops) >> > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Jan 30 16:40:23 2010 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (revdoug1@myfairpoint.net) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:40:23 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight Message-ID: <20100130164023.f7mynymouzxcc480@webmail.myfairpoint.net> This is a sign of a trend. For reasons that I have yet to be able to understand, AM radio in Canada seems to be on its way out. During the past three or four years, the CBC has shut down most of its major AM outlets, and even way back in the early '90s, long-established stations such as 50-kw CFNB (550) in Fredericton were eliminated in favor of their FM counterparts. 940 usually doesn't come in particularly well in central Maine where I live, but 690 often has a killer signal. CINW (940) is the successor to CFCF, Canada's first radio station, which Marconi Wireless put on the air in 1919. The station's old TV counterpart, Channel 12, is still known as CFCF and is under separate ownership, I believe. -Doug Quoting Bob Hale : > I was listening to 940 here on my Icom Ic-751 and they had a good > signal here in > Grafton,NH at about 1pm Friday. Shame to see a AM station shutdown like that. > Bob N1WBD > > > >Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:12 PM > >To: "Boston Radio Group" > >Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight > > > >> > >> Radio-info.com reports that CINF 690 and CINW 940--the latter being > >> the first radio station in Canada, I have read--are being > >> shut down tonight at 7 pm, as Corus believes they are no longer > >> viable. The licenses are being returned to the CRTC > >> and I guess reg programming ceased at 10 am, with loops now running > >> > >> http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2010/29/c5055.html > >> > >> http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=161569.0 > >> (has links to recorded loops) > >> > > > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 30 17:33:20 2010 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:33:20 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight In-Reply-To: <20100130164023.f7mynymouzxcc480@webmail.myfairpoint.net> References: <20100130164023.f7mynymouzxcc480@webmail.myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <4b64b3c2.1402be0a.10d5.6e1f@mx.google.com> revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >CINW (940) is the successor to CFCF, Canada's first radio station, >which Marconi Wireless put on the air in 1919. The station's old TV >counterpart, Channel 12, is still known as CFCF and is under >separate ownership, I believe. Wasn't the original CFCF on 600? As a kid I remember listening to their shortwave simulcast CFCX, I think I have a QSL from them. A number of Canadian stations had shortwave simulcasts back in the 60s/70s. When did they pull the plug on them? From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 30 18:06:58 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:06:58 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight In-Reply-To: <4b64b3c2.1402be0a.10d5.6e1f@mx.google.com> References: <20100130164023.f7mynymouzxcc480@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4b64b3c2.1402be0a.10d5.6e1f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0KX300GWL1GWTW80@asmtp012.mac.com> At 05:33 PM 1/30/2010, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >Wasn't the original CFCF on 600? As a kid I remember listening to >their shortwave simulcast CFCX, I think I have a QSL from them. A >number of Canadian stations had shortwave simulcasts back in the >60s/70s. When did they pull the plug on them? I believe they pulled the plugs on them gradually as the transmitters died, there was no money to repair or replace them. The original purpose of the shortwaves was to serve the sparsely-populated northern areas, many of these areas now have local translators receiving their programming by satellite. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From aerie.ma@comcast.net Sat Jan 30 18:29:53 2010 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:29:53 -0500 Subject: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight In-Reply-To: <4b64b3c2.1402be0a.10d5.6e1f@mx.google.com> References: <20100130164023.f7mynymouzxcc480@webmail.myfairpoint.net> <4b64b3c2.1402be0a.10d5.6e1f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We had a house at the beach in NH when I was growing up. We had an old furniture-size console radio/turntable from the 40s or 50s there. It had wideband AM and shortwave on it. CFCX Montreal (//CFCF), CHNX Halifax (//CHNS), and CFRX Toronto (//CFRB) used to come in loud and clear in the 49 meter band all day long. At night, they were drowned out by the big international broadcasters. I think the three Canadian relays only operated 500 watts. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:33 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Montreal's 690 and 940 to power down tonight revdoug1@myfairpoint.net wrote: >CINW (940) is the successor to CFCF, Canada's first radio station, >which Marconi Wireless put on the air in 1919. The station's old TV >counterpart, Channel 12, is still known as CFCF and is under >separate ownership, I believe. Wasn't the original CFCF on 600? As a kid I remember listening to their shortwave simulcast CFCX, I think I have a QSL from them. A number of Canadian stations had shortwave simulcasts back in the 60s/70s. When did they pull the plug on them? From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 31 14:03:00 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:03:00 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase Message-ID: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> Last week the FCC approved an increase in the power level a station can use for it's HD sidebands. I haven't heard all the details, so I'm not sure if this applies to FM stations only or to both AM and FM? I know in many if not most cases the stations will have to purchase new equipment to implement the higher HD power levels, so I guess it may be a while before these increases actually happen. Does anyone know of any station that has the equipment and is planning to increase their HD power soon, or perhaps already has done so? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Sun Jan 31 15:48:08 2010 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:48:08 -0500 Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com In-Reply-To: <4BE519693D88472BB47EC794D2178F04@SatU205S5044> References: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <4BE519693D88472BB47EC794D2178F04@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4B65EC88.2020509@nycap.rr.com> Per Rush's website, WOAI is the only 1200 that airs Rush that is owned by CC. (However, the website may be a bit behind. The only other 1200s anywhere that are listed as airing Rush are two North Carolina AMs, but at least one of those stations no longer airs his show - see http://www.wsjs.com/Article.asp?id=1645115&spid= . In fact, that posting definitely suggests that CC is aiming to move Rush to its stations elsewhere as well.) In any event, as WOAI has a strong brand as is in its market, I'm thinking WKOX is the likely intended target, too. Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Certainly possible (likely, even) that CCU has taken out the URL for > what is today still WKOX. But, besides Newton and San Antonio, there > are lots of 1200s around the country (this is not the early 80s, when > WOAI was all there was). I have no idea how many, if any, of those are > also owned by CCU and how many more, if any, that are not CCU-owned > nevertheless carry Limbaugh. Heck, I can imagine them having > RushRadio1200s in half a dozen cities (as in Rushradio1200Boston, > Rushradio1200SanAntonio etc) and licensing the URL to stations they > don't own that carry Limbaugh. After all, since CCU owns at least part > of Premiere, they own at least part of Limbaugh and hence at least > part of his name. > > > -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 31 16:07:27 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:27 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase In-Reply-To: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> References: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> Message-ID: <19301.61711.335250.889527@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Last week the FCC approved an increase in the power level a station > can use for it's HD sidebands. I haven't heard all the details, so > I'm not sure if this applies to FM stations only or to both AM and FM? FM stations only. > I know in many if not most cases the stations will have to purchase > new equipment to implement the higher HD power levels, so I guess it > may be a while before these increases actually happen. Does anyone > know of any station that has the equipment and is planning to > increase their HD power soon, or perhaps already has done so? Not in Boston IIRC, but there are a number of stations which participated in the NPR Labs testing program which are presumably equipped to do -10 dBc injection since they were testing it earlier. Some stations will have enough transmitter headroom to make it with their existing transmitter. In general, the stations that will have the most difficulty are the ones using high-level combining. The combiner losses are going to be ten times higher,[1] so they would probably want (or need) to switch to space combining (i.e., using separate antennas or an isolated dual-input antenna). For some stations, there will be issues of electrical capacity -- IBOC transmitters have to run as class-A amplifiers, which are much less efficient than the class-C amplifiers used in analog FM transmitters (45% versus 85%).[2] And, of course, whether you're doing -10 dBc or -20 dBc, exciter reliability is still a problem. The HD exciter is completely proprietary to iBiquity -- even in the Harris, Nautel, BE, and Continental exciters, the HD implementation is sole-sourced by iBiquity -- and they have not proven enormously reliable in the field. -GAWollman [1] In the standard high-level design, if I recall correctly, you're losing 1% of the analog and 90% of the digital at the combiner's reject port. Even if the combiner can take ten times the power on the digital input port, the digital transmitter would have to ten times as big -- which is to say, it would have to make as much output power as the analog transmitter does. You could design a combiner with different reject levels, but then you'd have to increase the TPO on the analog to compensate, which (for a full-power class-C) is likely to be very expensive. [2] Which is why so many stations chose to do high-level combining in the first place. At -20 dBc, the losses are not so horrible (for a typical class-C with 35 kW TPO, you're only wasting 6.65 kW or 17% of your RF output, as compared to low-level combining where you lose much less RF but pay much higher power bills (79 kW(E), given the efficiencies above, versus 49 kW(E) for high-level) to run the transmitter in class A. Much cheaper in the long run to use space-combined or completely separate antennas. From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Sun Jan 31 16:07:53 2010 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:53 -0500 Subject: CC registers RushRadio1200.com In-Reply-To: <4BE519693D88472BB47EC794D2178F04@SatU205S5044> References: <8CC6ED6D98B809A-17E4-40E3@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> <4BE519693D88472BB47EC794D2178F04@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4B65F129.7040401@nycap.rr.com> Just discovered also that when CC moved Rush to its own station in the Greensboro market, flipped from hip-hop to talk, it calls that station "Rush Radio 94.5." See http://www.945thebeat.com/ . WRNO New Orleans is also branded by CC as Rush Radio 99.5, and CC's WRDU in Raleigh is now known as Rush Radio 106.1. -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 31 16:58:39 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:58:39 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase References: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> <19301.61711.335250.889527@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I thought that the first authorized on-air test of the higher sideband power was done at WKLB-FM 102.5 from what was then the station's auxiliary transmitter, with antenna on the WBZ-TV tower in Needham but has since been licensed as the station's main transmitter/antenna. Is that not true? And if it is true, is the old transmitter/antenna on the FM-128 tower in Newton now WKLB's auxiliary? BTW, whoever wrote the original post chose a subject line that suggests that the HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digitial. That would be a fine rationale for the use of the HD acronym because it actually explains how the system works as well as a mere two words can possibly explain it. Unfortunately, however, the trademark holder, iBiquity, does not agree, and the trademark holder absolutely gets to say what the words behind a trademarked acronym do or do not mean. According to what I've read, iBiquity says that the letters HD in its HD Radio trademark stand for nothing at all. The company must have a reason for that explanation, but I haven't heard the explanation. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Larry Weil" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase > < > said: > >> I'm not sure if this applies to FM stations only or to both AM and >> FM? > > FM stations only. > >> Does anyone >> know of any station that has the equipment and is planning to >> increase their HD power soon, or perhaps already has done so? > > Not in Boston IIRC, but there are a number of stations which > participated in the NPR Labs testing program which are presumably > equipped to do -10 dBc injection since they were testing it earlier. > > -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 31 17:30:50 2010 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:30:50 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase In-Reply-To: References: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> Message-ID: <0KX400B4VUGDX900@asmtp022.mac.com> At 04:58 PM 1/31/2010, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >BTW, whoever wrote the original post chose a subject line that >suggests that the HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digitial. That >would be a fine rationale for the use of the HD acronym because it >actually explains how the system works as well as a mere two words can >possibly explain it. Unfortunately, however, the trademark holder, >iBiquity, does not agree, and the trademark holder absolutely gets to >say what the words behind a trademarked acronym do or do not mean. >According to what I've read, iBiquity says that the letters HD in its >HD Radio trademark stand for nothing at all. The company must have a >reason for that explanation, but I haven't heard the explanation. Well, I'm the guy who wrote the original post, and I feel that iBiquity chose the name HD Radio in hopes that it would be confused with High Definition television. I titled my post the way I did to make sure that everyone knows I'm writing about radio and not TV. If iBiquity wants to sue me for not using their trademark when describing their half-assed product, so be it! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 31 17:50:05 2010 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:50:05 -0500 Subject: WMJX Voicetracking Overnights Message-ID: WMJX will be voicetracking overnights as of tonight's overnight. Longtime overnight host (over 20 years) Michael Burns will remain as overnight voice Sunday night/Monday morning thru Thursday night/Friday morning, and will continue to host "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on Greater Media's co-owned WKLB. If I'm not mistaken, this leaves WBZ as the last Boston radio station with a live overnight host. (Steve Levellie, with Jordan Rich weekends). Disclaimer: as a longtime friend (over 30 years) of Michael, I have known about the upcoming change in his overnight routine for the last week & a half, but mutually agreed that I would not post or comment on this unless someone else did here or elsewhere or was mentioned in either of Boston's papers. (It's was posted elsewhere earlier this afternoon). Plus, being a longtime good friend I had mixed feelings about being the first to post this news. As I mentioned to him when he told me the news, he is fortunate to still have a job in Boston radio, albeit a reduced role, considering how many radio & TV folks in the Boston market have been sent "to the beach". Mark Watson From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jan 31 17:58:42 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:58:42 -0500 Subject: WMJX Voicetracking Overnights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601caa2c8$ef8992d0$ce9cb870$@net> > WMJX will be voicetracking overnights as of tonight's overnight. > Longtime > overnight host (over 20 years) Michael Burns will remain as overnight > voice > Sunday night/Monday morning thru Thursday night/Friday morning, and > will > continue to host "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on Greater Media's co- > owned > WKLB. If I'm not mistaken, this leaves WBZ as the last Boston radio > station > with a live overnight host. (Steve Levellie, with Jordan Rich > weekends). I think this was the last live commercial station overnights right in Boston, though I'm not sure about WFNX. I believe 99.1 WPLM is still live overnights, though not technically a Boston station. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 31 18:21:24 2010 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:21:24 -0500 Subject: WMJX Voicetracking Overnights References: <001601caa2c8$ef8992d0$ce9cb870$@net> Message-ID: <0EC03F57887E41C2B842C2CFEA7C6DFA@DansCpq6515b> Last live commercial FM maybe or last live commercial music station, but not last live commercial STATION--LeVeille has now been back on WBZ for a year after being axed on December 30 2008. If I've got the date wrong, at least 15 people will correct me, I'm sure. ----- Dan Strassberg eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Mark Watson'" ; "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: RE: WMJX Voicetracking Overnights >> WMJX will be voicetracking overnights as of tonight's overnight. >> Longtime >> overnight host (over 20 years) Michael Burns will remain as overnight >> voice >> Sunday night/Monday morning thru Thursday night/Friday morning, and >> will >> continue to host "Sunday Morning Country Oldies" on Greater Media's co- >> owned >> WKLB. If I'm not mistaken, this leaves WBZ as the last Boston radio >> station >> with a live overnight host. (Steve Levellie, with Jordan Rich >> weekends). > > I think this was the last live commercial station overnights right in > Boston, though I'm not sure about WFNX. I believe 99.1 WPLM is still live > overnights, though not technically a Boston station. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 31 21:03:21 2010 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:03:21 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase In-Reply-To: References: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> <19301.61711.335250.889527@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19302.13929.777379.517058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I thought that the first authorized on-air test of the higher sideband > power was done at WKLB-FM 102.5 from what was then the station's > auxiliary transmitter, with antenna on the WBZ-TV tower in Needham but > has since been licensed as the station's main transmitter/antenna. Is > that not true? The first that I'm aware of was at KROQ, and I know that at least some of the NPR tests were done with Washington-area stations. -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jan 31 21:08:02 2010 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:08:02 -0500 Subject: Hybrid Digital Radio Power Increase In-Reply-To: <19302.13929.777379.517058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0KX4009L8KU8UD50@asmtp016.mac.com> <19301.61711.335250.889527@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19302.13929.777379.517058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002001caa2e3$6273c2b0$275b4810$@net> > > I thought that the first authorized on-air test of the higher > sideband > > power was done at WKLB-FM 102.5 from what was then the station's > > auxiliary transmitter, with antenna on the WBZ-TV tower in Needham > but > > has since been licensed as the station's main transmitter/antenna. Is > > that not true? > > The first that I'm aware of was at KROQ, and I know that at least some > of the NPR tests were done with Washington-area stations. 102.5 WKLB has been running at an increased level as one of the test stations for quite a while. I don't think it's still the full 10% though, due to complaints from 102.7 WRNI. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA