From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 1 00:34:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:34:14 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? References: <15535.82743.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91448D1A548C4C96868C0606AF9AF619@SatU205S5044> But there WAS one who sounded just like him--maybe even sounded more like Paul Harvey than Paul Harvery himself! I'm talking about Garner "Ted" Armstrong, who voiced the pre-recorded leased-time World Tomorrow program that appeared mostly late at night on dozens of high-powered AMs all around the US in the 1950s. The Word Tomorrow was produced and paid for by the Worldwide Church of God, which Armstrong's father had founded. Garner Ted's pitches for money brought many millions of dollars to the Church until the senior Armstrong excommunicated his son for some lurid misbehavior and took over the program. I believe that Garner Ted predeceased his father, who is now also long dead. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Donna Halper" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? > >>>Legend too small a term...icon<< > > You can say that again. This is one industry icon who will surely > be missed for many years to come. There will never be another one > like him. > (....sigh....) > :( > > RIP- Paul Harvey Aurandt (1918-2009) > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? >> To: "Donna Halper" , "(newsgroup) >> Boston-Radio-Interest" >> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:32 PM >> WLS-TV broke in with a bulletin as well. >> >> Legend too small a term...icon >> >> Page 2 >> >> On 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: >> > >> > >> > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) >> > >> > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul >> Harvey has died. >> > > > > From attychase@comcast.net Sun Mar 1 00:59:12 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:59:12 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: Message-ID: "Among my earliest political recollections are the ''pointy-headed intellectual'' and ''egghead'' designations used against Adlai Stevenson in the 1950's. And who can forget Spiro T. Agnew's ''nattering nabobs of negativism''? ''Limousine liberals'' has been an effective conservative jab for decades. The beginning of a knockout punch came in the 1988 presidential campaign when President Ronald Reagan aided Vice President George H. W. Bush's candidacy by denouncing Michael S. Dukakis, the Democratic nominee, with the accusation that Mr. Dukakis was a virtually evil embodiment of the ''L-word.'' Thus started the onslaught that demonized all liberals and nearly delegitimized the Democratic Party. Most candidates today avoid any association with liberalism. With a success story like that, why on earth would conservatives give up attacking elite or any other kind of liberals? " So isn't what's fair fair? > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:43:16 -0500 > From: Richard Chonak > Subject: Re: More on the FD > To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Message-ID: <49A985C4.2070101@gabrielmass.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Robert S Chase wrote: >> I always wonder why the conservatives or some call them more aptly, the >> regressives, fear concepts such as the Fairness Doctrine so much? Is it >> because they are never fair? > > I'm not sure whether insulting a group of people as "regressive" based > on their political philosophy really is going to shed light on any > subject regarding broadcasting. > > --RC From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 1 01:27:33 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:27:33 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassel traded References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <7DDE26A8136B42759B2472724E187D8A@Mark> Message-ID: <008201c99a36$cf039600$f88c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Watson To: ; Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Matt Cassell traded > Donna Halper wrote: > > > > Speaking of sports-talk, am I the only one who is surprised the Patriots > > traded Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel to Kansas City, and seemed to get very > > little for them in return? > > I am surprised also, considering that we don't know with 100% certainty > that Tom Brady will be ready to take the field when the new season opens, or > what the Pats get for draft picks. > One pick, early in the second round, for Cassel AND Vrabel? Smells like a salary dump to me; maybe there's a free agent linebacker out there the Pats want to sign. Of course, that draft pick could turn out to be a player who'll make Pats fans very happy, too; plenty of good ones come out of the second round. Howard From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 1 09:26:20 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:20 -0600 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com> WABC used to do something similar where the newsman on the overnight show would say WABC AM and FM New York. There had to be a reason why the live jock at WRKO-AM would do the FM ID instead of just using a cart ID. TV back then all had live booth announcers ( even WMUR who wouldn't pay one if they didn't have to) so I wonder if FCC rules mandated it at the time. On 2/28/09, Peter Q. George wrote: > > Well, in fact they (the jocks) would say (after the TOH Drake jingle > "WRKO.....Boston!") the jock would say "AM and FM!". (Pre-Drake, before > June 1967, WRKO had a PAMS sung Legal ID.... "WRKO and WRKO-FM, Boston!.) > After 6:00 PM, you would hear, on the FM only, "And now ladies and > gentlemen...." (CLICK!) "And the hits just keep on coming on 98.5 WRKO-FM > Boston!", (jingle) "WRKO-FM, ALL MUSIC!!!", ARKO had begun it's 12 hours of > non-duplicated programming. Dale Tucker, the last Program Director of > WRKO-FM (before WROR) kind of moved away from the R-KO format and got the > station ready for the eventual switch to Stereo with Drake Chenault's new > "Hit Parade" format, just before Dale moved out of Boston. > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Re: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH >> To: "Garrett Wollman" >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:22 PM >> One thing I was curious about why. >> >> Back in 1967 when WRKO-AM came to be they then simulcast AM >> on FM from >> 6AM to 6PM and then ran ARKO for the other 12. >> >> The AM jock would then cut into FM at the top of the hour >> and simply >> say WRKO-FM Boston. I have clips of Arnie Ginsburg and >> Chuck Knapp >> doing this. >> >> So was a live ID required back then or was this possibly an >> AFTRA >> concession by RKO General. > > > > From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 1 09:40:55 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:40:55 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>WABC used to do something similar where the newsman on the overnight show would say WABC AM and FM New York.<< WABC's legal IDs were done by live announcers due to a clause in the AFTRA contract with ABC, not FCC rules. The contract stipulated that only certain AFTRA-represented employees could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, only "staff announcers," many of whom also worked overnight news shifts on WABC). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 1 09:41:52 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:41:52 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: Message-ID: <8E2EA48F413C4BE9ACABED85EFA2A8DB@SatU205S5044> "Nattering nabobs of negativism" and many other alliterative jabs at those with world views different from his own was thought up by The New York Times's erstwhile conservative columnist and wordsmith William Safire (now mostly retired, but still the author of the Sunday Times Magazine weekly feature column, "On Language"). Safire and vocalist Bobby Darin are perhaps the best-known alumni of my high school, the Bronx High School of Science, which, according to Wikipedia, numbers among its alumni seven Nobel laureates. Millions of people can think of Safire's and Darin's names; I can't think of the name of even one of those seven Nobel winners;>( ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S Chase" To: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: Re: More on the FD > "Among my earliest political recollections are the ''pointy-headed > intellectual'' and ''egghead'' designations used against Adlai > Stevenson in the 1950's. And who can forget Spiro T. Agnew's > ''nattering nabobs of negativism''? ''Limousine liberals'' has been > an effective conservative jab for decades. > > The beginning of a knockout punch came in the 1988 presidential > campaign when President Ronald Reagan aided Vice President George H. > W. Bush's candidacy by denouncing Michael S. Dukakis, the Democratic > nominee, with the accusation that Mr. Dukakis was a virtually evil > embodiment of the ''L-word.'' Thus started the onslaught that > demonized all liberals and nearly delegitimized the Democratic > Party. > > Most candidates today avoid any association with liberalism. With a > success story like that, why on earth would conservatives give up > attacking elite or any other kind of liberals? " > > So isn't what's fair fair? > >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:43:16 -0500 >> From: Richard Chonak >> Subject: Re: More on the FD >> To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org >> Message-ID: <49A985C4.2070101@gabrielmass.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Robert S Chase wrote: >>> I always wonder why the conservatives or some call them more >>> aptly, the >>> regressives, fear concepts such as the Fairness Doctrine so much? >>> Is it >>> because they are never fair? >> >> I'm not sure whether insulting a group of people as "regressive" >> based >> on their political philosophy really is going to shed light on any >> subject regarding broadcasting. >> >> --RC > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 1 10:44:13 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:44:13 -0600 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903010744x1a573c76yc97d7a327ad8a2f0@mail.gmail.com> As I surmised in the my original post it may well have been an AFTRA situation with RKO General as well. If I recall correctly AFTRA was only in 4 Boston radio outlets (WHDH, WNAC-WRKO, WBZ and WEEI) and that was because of TV or being owned by a network. WEZE may have been as well but they were not at WMEX. On 3/1/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>>WABC used to do something similar where the newsman on the overnight > show would say WABC AM and FM New York.<< > > WABC's legal IDs were done by live announcers due to a clause in the AFTRA > contract with ABC, not FCC rules. The contract stipulated that only certain > AFTRA-represented employees could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, > only "staff announcers," many of whom also worked overnight news shifts on > WABC). > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sun Mar 1 10:47:51 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:47:51 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded In-Reply-To: <20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: I'm guessing we don't know everything yet, though getting Cassel's money off the books and a high 2nd round pick isn't bad... -Paul H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Matt Cassell traded > Speaking of sports-talk, am I the only one who is surprised the Patriots > traded Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel to Kansas City, and seemed to get very > little for them in return? > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Mar 1 11:21:22 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:21:22 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassel traded In-Reply-To: <008201c99a36$cf039600$f88c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <7DDE26A8136B42759B2472724E187D8A@Mark> <008201c99a36$cf039600$f88c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <2416FBC5-CEA2-4E6D-B884-0F622CCE9401@charter.net> That's exactly what it was. The Pats have a bunch of contracts coming up for some of their impact players, and they need the cap space to get these guys re-signed. They also need to get younger on the defense and shipping Vrabel, who only had four sacks last season, helps in that regard. If the team had made this deal before putting the franchise tag on Cassel, which guarantees him something like 14 million dollars for next season, they could have gotten a lot more for him. Plus, with the economy being what it is, more teams are looking to fill holes on their rosters through the draft rather than free agency, which increases the value for those picks, at least a little. WEEI and online reports basically broke down the trade this way, but it doesn't translate well to broadcast. Too many sniggly details. If you watched any of the local newscasts or WBZ radio, it was all "we didn't get enough for in return." It makes a good talk radio topic, but not good analysis. -Dave On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:27 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: >> One pick, early in the second round, for Cassel AND Vrabel? Smells >> like a > salary dump to me; maybe there's a free agent linebacker out there > the Pats > want to sign. Of course, that draft pick could turn out to be a player > who'll make Pats fans very happy, too; plenty of good ones come out > of the > second round. > > Howard From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Mar 1 14:02:35 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:02:35 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49aadbe1.c505be0a.225b.ffff95f8@mx.google.com> Peter Q. George wrote: >Well, in fact they (the jocks) would say (after the TOH Drake jingle >"WRKO.....Boston!") the jock would say "AM and FM!". (Pre-Drake, >before June 1967, WRKO had a PAMS sung Legal ID.... "WRKO and >WRKO-FM, Boston!.) After 6:00 PM, you would hear, on the FM only, >"And now ladies and gentlemen...." (CLICK!) "And the hits just keep >on coming on 98.5 WRKO-FM Boston!", (jingle) "WRKO-FM, ALL >MUSIC!!!", ARKO had begun it's 12 hours of non-duplicated >programming. Dale Tucker, the last Program Director of WRKO-FM >(before WROR) kind of moved away from the R-KO format and got the >station ready for the eventual switch to Stereo with Drake >Chenault's new "Hit Parade" format, just before Dale moved out of Boston. When did "arko" go away? I know it was gone by the late summer of '68 when I moved to Manchester, N.H. 98.5was just cold-segued top 40 tunes when it wasn't simulcasting 680. I don't recall hearing the WRKO jocks cutting in & doing live IDs at that point, but that doesn't mean they weren't. I do remember during and briefly after the move to the Government Center studios the two stations were simulcast in the evening as well. Even after the calls on the FM became WROR there was some period of simulcast...I recall the Johnny Mann legal (AM) ID, after which the jock would say "and WROR FM". Not exactly a legal ID, but lots of stations were pretty loose in that regard in those days. Were the rules different then? I always was taught that a legal ID was calls followed by COL. I'm pretty sure "Hit Parade" debuted around November of '68. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 1 14:05:06 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:05:06 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>, <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA9612.26090.521492@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Feb 2009 at 17:22, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The AM jock would then cut into FM at the top of the hour and simply > say WRKO-FM Boston. I have clips of Arnie Ginsburg and Chuck Knapp > doing this. > > So was a live ID required back then or was this possibly an AFTRA > concession by RKO General. It certainly wasn't a live ID requirement. Around 1958-59, when the AM station was WNAC and the FM was WRKO-FM, when I first listened on FM, they had an automated "This is WRKO-FM in Boston" ID on the hour and half hour. And in late 1960, WCOP-FM became totally automated classical music, including all IDs. And WBZ-FM at the same time had automated classical music with an automated ID. There probably were others, but those are the ones I remember. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 1 14:34:34 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:34:34 -0600 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <49AA9611.28271.5213D7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> <49AA9611.28271.5213D7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903011134l7a931bf0qec858644b2d0387@mail.gmail.com> I have no clue if anyone listens to Radio Disney. Radio ratings don't count anyone under 12. I do know they have never shown in the Boston book. It must be making money for the Mouse as they held on to stations carrying the format. On 3/1/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Feb 2009 at 11:25, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> The future of ESPN in Boston? I cannot see them at 890 much longer so >> I could see Disney flipping 1260 to ESPN and maybe Radio Disney could >> live on 890. 1260 at least would give a decent signal inside 128 day >> and night. > > Does Disney at 1260 have anyone listening now? I don't think kids > even know what AM radio is. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 1 15:03:45 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:03:45 -0700 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903011134l7a931bf0qec858644b2d0387@mail.gmail.com> References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> <49AA9611.28271.5213D7@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770903011134l7a931bf0qec858644b2d0387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889E3@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I have no clue if anyone listens to Radio Disney. Radio ratings don't count anyone under 12. I do know they have never shown in the Boston book.<< They had a 0.1 share in the Fall 2008 book (12+). >>It must be making money for the Mouse as they held on to stations carrying the format.<< Making money and/or getting ratings matters not in the least to the Radio Disney group. The stations push the Disney brand, with the hope that children will pressure their parents into listening, and therefore expose them to Disney's theme parks, resorts, merchandise, etc. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 1 14:58:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:58:52 -0600 Subject: Radio Disney Message-ID: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com> Att. Ross asked if anyone listens to Radio Disney. Since ratings don't count anyone less than 12 who knows. In LA they show a 0.7 and NYC 0.2. I have never seen them crack the Boston book. Chicago they are on a weak signal in the south burbs. Still the Mouse must be making money with it as they bought 1260 in Boston to air it. Do they even sell local spots in Boston??? I suppose Moms have it on in the car to keep toddlers happy. From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 15:42:55 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:42:55 -0500 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903011134l7a931bf0qec858644b2d0387@mail.gmail.com> References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> <49AA9611.28271.5213D7@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770903011134l7a931bf0qec858644b2d0387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AAF34F.7000509@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have no clue if anyone listens to Radio Disney. Radio ratings don't > count anyone under 12. I do know they have never shown in the Boston > book. But the gooey goodness of candy sticks to the radio dial so kids can't change the station. b - From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 15:48:22 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:48:22 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49AAF496.4060702@gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > The contract stipulated that only certain AFTRA-represented employees could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, only "staff announcers," many of whom also worked overnight news shifts on WABC). > When I was at 'HDH one of the things I ended up doing was the staff announcer duties after that fateful day when the Amazing Jim Sands was replaced with "The Sounds of Sinatra" with Sid Marks. Instead of a tech to run the platters and drop in the spots they needed a staff announcer due to the contract. Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 1 14:05:04 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:05:04 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: , <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC>, <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49AA9610.20336.520EA7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Feb 2009 at 17:59, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Meanwhile, section 328 of the Communications Act (as codified today at > 47 USC 326) made it clear: > > Nothing in this chapter shall be understood or construed to > give the Commission the power of censorship over the radio > communications or signals transmitted by any radio station, > and no regulation or condition shall be promulgated or fixed > by the Commission which shall interfere with the right of free > speech by means of radio communication. So how does the FCC justify heavy fines for stations that allow the F- word to slip out? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 1 14:05:05 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044>, <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA9611.28271.5213D7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Feb 2009 at 11:25, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The future of ESPN in Boston? I cannot see them at 890 much longer so > I could see Disney flipping 1260 to ESPN and maybe Radio Disney could > live on 890. 1260 at least would give a decent signal inside 128 day > and night. Does Disney at 1260 have anyone listening now? I don't think kids even know what AM radio is. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:09:52 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49AA9610.20336.520EA7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC>, <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49AA9610.20336.520EA7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49AAF9A0.1080806@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > So how does the FCC justify heavy fines for stations that allow the F- > word to slip out? > We would have to consult with the late George Carlin on that one! b - From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 16:58:51 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:58:51 -0500 Subject: More on the political rants References: <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A1E757A79BD4360BFF58F57AE555048@MainXPPro> > Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the man > (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him to do. > The man's only been in office for 35 days. Cripes....., we've already > seen what Rush's buddies from the previous administration did to this > great nation's economy and its' reputation overseas. Not too impressive, > not by a long shot. NOW, it's President Obama's turn... << Outside of mentioning Limbaugh, does this have anything to do with radio? Or is it just a self-serving politcal rant that has no place on this list..... From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 17:10:06 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:06 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> > If someone complained that a broadcaster did not cover an issue of > importance in a balanced and equitable way, the government would decide if > that was true or not. That is the government deciding whether speech is > fair or not. Not "the government"....but "the courts"....which have always had the role of arbiter of fairness, justice and the agrieved since the begining of this country. That's what they do. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 17:17:12 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:17:12 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney References: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66FF9406093E4FD595D520F574E7C5E1@MainXPPro> > Since ratings don't count anyone less than 12 who knows. I believe the people meter has changed the old "12+" standard....no? From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Mar 1 17:37:22 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:37:22 -0500 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition Message-ID: <0KFU003DJMTTXK20@asmtp013.mac.com> Now with PPM, Arbitron measures ages 6+. From what I understand, they are getting a good response rate from the kiddies, too. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:34 PM To: A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition I have no clue if anyone listens to Radio Disney. Radio ratings don't count anyone under 12. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Mar 1 18:55:30 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:55:30 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > Not "the government"....but "the courts"....which have always had the role > of arbiter of fairness, justice and the agrieved since the begining of > this country. > > That's what they do. The courts are the government. But wouldn't the FCC first decide? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 19:08:12 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:08:12 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> >> Not "the government"....but "the courts"....which have always had the >> role >> of arbiter of fairness, justice and the aggrieved since the beginning of >> this country. >> >> That's what they do. > > The courts are the government. But they are not the nameless faceless bureaucrats that you keep conjuring up who will be deciding your free speech. The same way courts decide if you put the fence up fairly on your property deviding line. Since the beginning of this country we have used the courts to address disputes, justice and fairness. > But wouldn't the FCC first decide? They probably would.......just like a zoning regulation is first decided by the town hall....but if a person feels the ruling unjust, he then can avail himself to the courts for redress. Just like the FCC can fine someone for obscenity, but the courts are the ultimate deciding force. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Mar 1 19:27:31 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com> > Since the beginning of this country we have used the courts to address > disputes, justice and fairness. If this argument is sufficient to justify FCC regulation of speech, then there should be no objection to any form of bureaucratic regulation of any kind in any sphere of life, since all cases ultimately are subject to judicial appeal. However -- and this may or may not be news to you, I don't know -- many Americans do not adhere to political philosophies that approve of absolutely unlimited governmental authority. -- --RC From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Mar 1 19:28:05 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:28:05 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> Message-ID: Courts generally give deference to the decisions of regulatory agencies. The agencies win most appeals of their decisions. The court review, in many cases, is perfunctory. The real cost of such regulation is people give in to avoid the cost of fighting the regulators. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 19:48:51 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:48:51 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> <49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro> >> Since the beginning of this country we have used the courts to address >> disputes, justice and fairness. > > If this argument is sufficient to justify FCC regulation of speech, then > there should be no objection to any form of bureaucratic regulation of any > kind in any sphere of life, since all cases ultimately are subject to > judicial appeal. The difference here being that broadcasters are using the public's airwaves, as a public trustee...so it cannot be compared to "regulation of any kind in any sphere of life". > The real cost of such regulation is people give in to avoid the cost of > fighting the regulators. That can be said at all levels whenever we seek justice. Simply make a good faith effort not to be unfair....especially if you are using public resources. As in the past, virtually any genuine attempt to be fair and balanced is usually sufficient. If you DO want to be unfair, and simply promote a single perspective at the expense of serving the public, then put up a podcast, write a book, publish a newspaper, rent out Boston Garden.....all at your own expense. Once you are allowed the temporary right to use the public airwaves (to make a profit no less), then the public has a say in how those resources are used. From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 1 20:07:56 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:07:56 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49AA9610.20336.520EA7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC>, <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49AA9610.20336.520EA7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A1F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>So how does the FCC justify heavy fines for stations that allow the F- word to slip out?<< IANAL, but as I understand it the FCC is permitted to administer the penalties provided for under 18 USC ?1464 (the statute prohibiting obscene and indecent language spoken over broadcast stations). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:10:15 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:10:15 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <49AB31F7.2000208@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > They probably would.......just like a zoning regulation is first > decided by the town hall....but if a person feels the ruling unjust, > he then can avail himself to the courts for redress. Just like the > FCC can fine someone for obscenity, but the courts are the ultimate > deciding force. The FCC should stick to meters, pots, switches, towers and algorithms. They need to be there doing that. The less that beurocrats (and all governmental gray-flannel stinky pants) do, the better. They should each just hang in there for their 20 and then grab the pension and head for the dog track. Or Florida. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:12:15 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:12:15 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC> <8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <49AB326E.6040607@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > The real cost of such regulation is people give in to avoid the cost > of fighting the regulators. > > What? You mean the government doesn't provide free legal representation to those taking redress against the crown? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Mar 1 20:12:38 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:12:38 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> <49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com> <8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <28665E071AB04FDD88951F3EF7D5B152@DanBillingsPC> The public doesn't have to have say and hasn't for a couple decades. There is no reason to go back. And what is "unfair" is ultimately a matter of opinion. Licenses and fines should not depend upon such subjective standards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Richard Chonak" ; "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > Once you are allowed the temporary right to use the public airwaves (to > make a profit no less), then the public has a say in how those resources > are used. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 20:26:13 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:26:13 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro> <49AB31F7.2000208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59B3F12B2FA4469E8370B8D908E24B1D@MainXPPro> > Don A wrote: >> They probably would.......just like a zoning regulation is first >> decided by the town hall....but if a person feels the ruling unjust, >> he then can avail himself to the courts for redress. Just like the >> FCC can fine someone for obscenity, but the courts are the ultimate >> deciding force. > > The FCC should stick to meters, pots, switches, towers and algorithms. > They need to be there doing that. The less that beurocrats (and all > governmental gray-flannel stinky pants) do, the better. I don't think the general public would agree with you. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 20:28:35 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:28:35 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro><49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com><8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro> <28665E071AB04FDD88951F3EF7D5B152@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <5D86FE8FA0FA4E39A3F09887557569F6@MainXPPro> > The public doesn't have to have say and hasn't for a couple decades. Of course they do, through their elected representatives. Which is what is happenning now. >There is no reason to go back. That's a matter of opinion. > > And what is "unfair" is ultimately a matter of opinion. As are most decicions by the court. > Licenses and fines should not depend upon such subjective standards. Public service by it's very nature is subjective. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Mar 1 20:39:49 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:39:49 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <5D86FE8FA0FA4E39A3F09887557569F6@MainXPPro> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro><49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com><8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro> <28665E071AB04FDD88951F3EF7D5B152@DanBillingsPC> <5D86FE8FA0FA4E39A3F09887557569F6@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <026C3ED3BBA240459D0E47567E35EA0E@DanBillingsPC> 1. The Senate just voted overwhelmingly against a return to the FD. 2. We have a Constitution to limit what the people can do through their elected representatives. Though the FD was upheld years ago, I do agree with the decision and do no think it would be decided the same today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > Of course they do, through their elected representatives. Which is what > is happenning now. > From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 1 20:46:30 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:46:30 -0700 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <18881B8A3F7440C4A57BBD9C9E9D4475@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com><194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49AAF496.4060702@gmail.com> <18881B8A3F7440C4A57BBD9C9E9D4475@DougDrown> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>The contract stipulated that only certain AFTRA-represented employees > could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, only "staff announcers," many > of whom also worked overnight news shifts on WABC). Hmm. That contradicts what I remember: that at TOH, following the :55 network newscasts, Dan Ingram would be heard to say, "WABC, New York!," followed by the PAMS "Seven-ty-se-ven, W-A-B-C-e-e" jingle. His voice gave the ID all day and night, regardless of whose show was being traduced.<< The AFTRA contract was renegotiated after the 1967 strike (the one that put a CBS lawyer named Arnold Zenker behind Walter Cronkite's anchor desk), from which time any AFTRA-represented employee could do the legal ID's. BTW, the legal ID usually FOLLOWED the jingle (the Contempo Sig cut from PAMS series 18, "Sonosational") after that time, regardless of who was saying it. Before then, when the staff announcers did it, the news outro went something like: "News at :55 and :25, next news when it happens on WABC New York," and then the Contempo Sig jingle was played. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Mar 1 15:31:42 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:31:42 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? References: <15535.82743.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <91448D1A548C4C96868C0606AF9AF619@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: You're absolutely right about Garner Ted. The similarity in the voices of Garner Ted Armstrong and Paul Harvey was something I noticed way back when I was in high school in the '60s. Thanks, Dan, for bringing this up. I had forgotten all about him. The Worldwide Church of God, BTW, underwent a coup after Herbert's (the father's) death. Under him and Garner Ted, it had had some doctrinal beliefs that most of the rest Christendom regarded as aberrant, but the people who took it over from within changed it into a pretty mainstream Protestant denomination. I guess it's going strong in some parts of the country, but the broadcasts and telecasts disappeared years ago. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Peter Q George" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? > But there WAS one who sounded just like him--maybe even sounded more > like Paul Harvey than Paul Harvery himself! I'm talking about Garner > "Ted" Armstrong, who voiced the pre-recorded leased-time World > Tomorrow program that appeared mostly late at night on dozens of > high-powered AMs all around the US in the 1950s. The Word Tomorrow was > produced and paid for by the Worldwide Church of God, which > Armstrong's father had founded. Garner Ted's pitches for money brought > many millions of dollars to the Church until the senior Armstrong > excommunicated his son for some lurid misbehavior and took over the > program. I believe that Garner Ted predeceased his father, who is now > also long dead. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Q. George" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "(newsgroup) > Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Kevin > Vahey" > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? > > >> >>>>Legend too small a term...icon<< >> >> You can say that again. This is one industry icon who will surely >> be missed for many years to come. There will never be another one >> like him. >> (....sigh....) >> :( >> >> RIP- Paul Harvey Aurandt (1918-2009) >> >> Peter Q. George (K1XRB) >> Whitman, Massachusetts >> "Scanning the bands since 1967" >> >> radiojunkie3@yahoo.com >> *********************************************************** >> >> >> --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> From: Kevin Vahey >>> Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? >>> To: "Donna Halper" , "(newsgroup) >>> Boston-Radio-Interest" >>> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:32 PM >>> WLS-TV broke in with a bulletin as well. >>> >>> Legend too small a term...icon >>> >>> Page 2 >>> >>> On 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) >>> > >>> > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul >>> Harvey has died. >>> > >> >> >> > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Mar 1 15:38:11 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:38:11 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey and other great broadcasters Message-ID: Kevin said: "Legend too small a term . . . icon." Well put. One of the last, if not the last, of the great national radio voices of yesteryear . . . which brings me to a question: Are there others still around? TV still has Don Pardo, Mike Wallace, and Andy Rooney, but offhand I can't think of any "legends" of radio who were around in the '40s and are with us still. -Doug From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Mar 1 18:22:03 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:22:03 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com><194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770903010626t70a66889tc8ec9551a93577a9@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B889AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49AAF496.4060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18881B8A3F7440C4A57BBD9C9E9D4475@DougDrown> > The contract stipulated that only certain AFTRA-represented employees > could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, only "staff announcers," many > of whom also worked overnight news shifts on WABC). Hmm. That contradicts what I remember: that at TOH, following the :55 network newscasts, Dan Ingram would be heard to say, "WABC, New York!," followed by the PAMS "Seven-ty-se-ven, W-A-B-C-e-e" jingle. His voice gave the ID all day and night, regardless of whose show was being troduced. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH > Sid Schweiger wrote: >> The contract stipulated that only certain AFTRA-represented employees >> could do the IDs (the DJs could not do them, only "staff announcers," >> many of whom also worked overnight news shifts on WABC). >> > When I was at 'HDH one of the things I ended up doing was the staff > announcer duties after that fateful day when the Amazing Jim Sands was > replaced with "The Sounds of Sinatra" with Sid Marks. Instead of a > tech to run the platters and drop in the spots they needed a staff > announcer due to the contract. > > Bill O'Neill > From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Mar 1 21:15:16 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:15:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, 3/1/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The AFTRA contract was renegotiated after the 1967 strike > (the one that put a CBS lawyer named Arnold Zenker behind > Walter Cronkite's anchor desk), Really? 1. How much of a disaster was that? (How long did that strike last?) Sounds like train-wreck TV. 2. Are network shops open nowadays? If they are open shops and anchors still are members, would you see an anchor/executive producer strike? I'd think they'd have to be non-union, since so much is at stake ratings-wise, but I confess to knowing nothing about network operations. From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 1 21:35:44 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:35:44 -0700 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A30@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>(How long did that strike last?) Sounds like train-wreck TV.<< Actually, I thought Zenker was pretty good. He had the pipes and obviously had some on-camera experience. He was no Cronkite, but he couldn't reasonably have been expected to be THAT good. The strike lasted 13 days, and its main issue was over staff announcer contracts at the network O&O's in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Among its more amusing features were Howard Cosell walking a picket line, even though he was both management (director of ABC Radio Sports) and air talent, and Rick Sklar, the legendary program manager of WABC Radio, doing the news in his NYC-heavy accent and producing promos for the station with the theme "the Strike-Bound Sound of WABC," with various managers and engineers filling in for the striking air talent. >>Are network shops open nowadays? If they are open shops and anchors still are members, would you see an anchor/executive producer strike? I'd think they'd have to be non-union, since so much is at stake ratings-wise, but I confess to knowing nothing about network operations.<< AFAIK the shops at the "big three" of years past are still closed shops. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 1 21:52:51 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:52:51 -0500 Subject: Legal ID rules in the past In-Reply-To: <49aadbe1.c505be0a.225b.ffff95f8@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49aadbe1.c505be0a.225b.ffff95f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <18859.18947.59222.342871@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > in that regard in those days. Were the rules different then? I > always was taught that a legal ID was calls followed by COL. > I'm pretty sure "Hit Parade" debuted around November of '68. At various times the rules have been both looser in some ways and stricter in others. Here's what the rules said from at least 1948 to 1967. At that time, there were separate legal ID rules for "standard broadcast", FM, and TV; the AM rules were at section 73.117: (a) A licensee of a standard broadcast station shall make station identification announcement (call letters and location) at the beginning and ending of each time of operation (1) on the hour and (2) either on the half hour or at the quarter hour preceding the next hour; Provided, (b) Such identification announcement need not be made on the hour when to make such announcement would interrupt a single consecutive speech, play, religious service, symphony concert, operatic production or forum of longer duration than 30 minutes. In such cases the identification announcement shall be made at the beginning of the program, at the first interruption of the entertainment continuity, and at the conclusion of the program. (c) Such identification announcement need not be made on the half hour or quarter hours when to make such an announcement would interrupt a single consecutive speech, play, religious servie, symphony concert, or operatic production. In such cases an identification announcement shall be made atthe first interruption of the entertainment continuity and at the conclusion of the program; Provided, that an announcement within 5 minutes of the time specified in paragraph (a) (2) of this section will satisft the requirements of identification announcements. (d) In the case of variety show programs of longer duration than 30 minutes, the identification announcement shall be made within 5 minutes of the hour and of the times specified in paragraph (a)(2) of this section. (e) In the case of all other programs the identification announcement shall be made within 2 minutes of the hour and of the time specified in paragraph (a)(2) of this section. (f) In making the identification announcement the call letters shall be given only on the channel of the station identified thereby, except as otherwise provided in [section] 73.287 of the Commissions Rules Governing FM Broadcast Stations. The FM rules are mostly identical to the AM rules, except that paragraph (a) reads: (a) A licensee of an FM broadcast station shall make separate station identification announcement (call letters and location) for such station ; provided, however, that if ther same licensee operates an FM radio broadcasting station and a standard broadcast station and simultaneously broadcasts the same programs over the facilities of both such stations, station identification announcements may be made jointly for both stations for periods of such simultaneous operation. If the call letters of the FM station do not clearly reveal that it is an FM station, the joint announcement shall state that one of the stations is an FM station. Station identification announcements shall be made at the beginning and ending of each time of operation and during operation (1) on the hour and (2) either on the half hour or at the quarter hour following the hour and at the quarter hour preceding the next hour ; Provided: (This text is from the 1968 /Broadcasting Yearbook/ and may not be accurate.) The FCC rules were restructured some time in 1969 or 1970; by 1971, the familiar section 73.1201 had appeared, albeit in a rather different form from what we're used to today. It read: (a) When regularly required. Broadcast stations shall announce station identification: (1) at the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and (2) regularly, during operation, within 2 minutes of each hour. Stanard, FM, and noncommercial educational FM broadcast stations shall, additionally, announce station identification regularly within 2 minutes of each half-hour. Television broadcast stations may make the hourly announcements either visually or aurally, but shall make the announcement at the beginning and ending of each time of operation both visually an aurally. (b) Content. (1) Official station identification shall consist of the station's call letters immediately followed by the name of the community or communities specified in its license as the station's location. (2) When given specific written authorization to do so, a station may include in its official station identification the name of an additional community or commmunities, but the community to which the staiton is licensed must be named first. (3) A licensee shall not in any identification announcements, promotional announcements or any other broadcast matter either lead or attempt to lead the station's audience to believe that the station has been authorized to identify officially with cities other than those permitted to be included in official station identifications under subparagraphs (1) and (2) of this paragraph. NOTE: Commission interpretations of this paragraph may be found in a separate Public Notice issued October 30, 1967, entitled "Examples of Application of Rule Regarding Broadcast of Statements Regarding a Station's Licensed Location" (FCC 67-1132; 10 FCC 2d 407.) (c) Channel. (1) Generally. Except as provided in subparagraph (2) of this paragraph, in making the identification announcement the call letters shall be given only on the channel of the station identified thereby. (2) [simulcast rule same as before] (d) Program interruption. Licensees shall in general arrange their programming so as to permit the broadcast of station identification announcements at the regular times prescribed in paragraph (a) of this section without undue disruption of program continuity. Subject to this requirement, a station identification announcement need not be presented at the time it is regularly required, if to do so would objectionably break program continuity essential to the value of the program to the audience. However, program continuity is deemed to be broken and therefore an announcement is required, if during the four-minute period in which an announcement is regularly due there is presented any non-program matter, such as commercial, public service or promotional announncements. While there may be exceptions, normally program continuity is also demeed to be broken, and an identification announcement required, if during the four-minute period there occurs the end of a regular period in a sports event being broadcast (e.g., round, quarter, or half-inning), the end of an act in a dramatic or variety program, the intermission of a live concert, opera, recital, or ot6her musical performance presented live in its entirety (presented simultaneously or by rebroadcast), or the end of any other musical selection. (e) Deferred station identification. (1) If a station omits a regular station identification announcement as permitted under paragraph (d) of this section, it shall broadcast a deferred station identification announcement at the next opportunity when it can be presented without objectionably breaking program continuity essential ot the value of the program to the audience. Such opportunity is deemed to occur, at the latest, when any of the material or events mentioned in paragraph (d) of this section is presented or occurs. (2) If no opportunity for an announcement (as defined in subparagraph (1) of this paragraph) occurs after a regular station identification is omitted, a deferred station identification announcement shall be broadcast promptly at the end of the program unless the next regular station identification is broadcast within 5 minutes after the program ends. By 1973, the detailed rules regarding when announcements must be made had been replaced with the current language: "hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings", but the specific rules about not announcing other communities (or making misleading announcements about the station's location) were still present. That language appears to have been dropped in 1982 or 1983. (It was shown in the 1979 BY, but it's not in my 1985 printed copy of Part 73.) -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Mar 1 23:26:49 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:49 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already Message-ID: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> Sweet Mother of God. Enough already. This thread has gone on so long that I look to the Viagra spam ads for interesting reading. Just my two cents. Brian Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 1 23:50:42 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:50:42 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2009 at 13:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I suppose Moms have it on in the car to keep toddlers happy. How do moms even know about it? Is Radio Disney promoted at all? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 2 00:00:56 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:00:56 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com> <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49AB6808.4030105@gabrielmass.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 1 Mar 2009 at 13:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I suppose Moms have it on in the car to keep toddlers happy. > > How do moms even know about it? Is Radio Disney promoted at all? > It's the kids. You know: they network. -- --RC From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Mar 2 00:06:38 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:06:38 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH References: <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003CF8D38625472EA9C1B46D28AA87B9@DougDrown> Arnold Zenker! THAT'S a name I haven't heard in years and years. Whatever became of him? I recall his stint at Boston (was it at Channel 7?) after his fill-in for Cronkite at CBS. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: RE: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH > > On Sun, 3/1/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> The AFTRA contract was renegotiated after the 1967 strike >> (the one that put a CBS lawyer named Arnold Zenker behind >> Walter Cronkite's anchor desk), > > Really? > > 1. How much of a disaster was that? (How long did that strike last?) > Sounds like train-wreck TV. > > 2. Are network shops open nowadays? If they are open shops and anchors > still are members, would you see an anchor/executive producer strike? I'd > think they'd have to be non-union, since so much is at stake ratings-wise, > but I confess to knowing nothing about network operations. > > > > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 2 00:12:50 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:12:50 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <49AB2482.30451.5DC966@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2009 at 20:39, Dan Billings wrote: > 1. The Senate just voted overwhelmingly against a return to the FD. Which won't stop Rush from bellowing about its imminent return. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 00:48:39 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:48:39 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><26B98613C71E4D53A22401165641DE3D@MainXPPro> <8997A40F9B1B4CAF8E7E68A19C00D8EB@DanBillingsPC><8CE231BA7FF4479589BF80B259118528@MainXPPro><49AB27F3.6010208@gabrielmass.com><8E9B869D62DE48F1AEAE2AEF9D0C1528@MainXPPro><28665E071AB04FDD88951F3EF7D5B152@DanBillingsPC><5D86FE8FA0FA4E39A3F09887557569F6@MainXPPro> <026C3ED3BBA240459D0E47567E35EA0E@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <02646C3E16D74CCDB40424E8C09F19CF@MainXPPro> > 1. The Senate just voted overwhelmingly against a return to the FD. I have been away. Did I miss a vote on this? What was the bill number? > 2. We have a Constitution to limit what the people can do through their > elected representatives. Though the FD was upheld years ago, I do agree > with the decision and do no think it would be decided the same today. Maybe after a few more Obama judges are nominated the outcome would be different. That you agree or do not is not part of the equation. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 1 23:50:44 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:50:44 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A30@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A30@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49AB1F54.32045.498D0A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2009 at 19:35, Sid Schweiger wrote: > AFAIK the shops at the "big three" of years past are still closed > shops. Closed shops were banned by the Taft-Hartley Act in the 1940s. Union shops, however, are permitted (except in states which ban them). The difference is that with a closed shop, you can't get a job unless you belong to the union first. With a union shop, you can get the job, but you have so many days to join the union. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Mon Mar 2 08:43:21 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:43:21 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <49AB1F54.32045.498D0A@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A29@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <690711.43043.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A30@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49AB1F54.32045.498D0A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88A93@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Closed shops were banned by the Taft-Hartley Act in the 1940s. Union shops, however, are permitted (except in states which ban them). The difference is that with a closed shop, you can't get a job unless you belong to the union first. With a union shop, you can get the job, but you have so many days to join the union.<< Thanks for the correction. I realized the error about 2.5 seconds after clicking Send. :-) Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From bill.smith@comcast.net Mon Mar 2 09:40:01 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:40:01 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey and other great broadcasters Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20903020640k5e6643b6v590d3ceb98f6d8d7@mail.gmail.com> Let's not get carried away. Paul Harvey stole his act from Bill Stern. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:41:38 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> Message-ID: <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> Brian Vita wrote: > Sweet Mother of God. Enough already. This thread has gone on so long that > I look to the Viagra spam ads for interesting reading. > > How's that working out for you? b - From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 2 10:55:18 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:55:18 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com> Brian Vita wrote: >> Sweet Mother of God. Enough already. This thread has gone on so long that >> I look to the Viagra spam ads for interesting reading. >> >> >How's that working out for you? Uplifting. Gotta go now. Some guy in Nigeria has told me that I've won $30M so I'm off to buy some Rolexes and claim my free ticket from Southwest. Damn, my luck has changed. Brian From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Mar 2 12:16:40 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:16:40 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> A cartoon showed a teeter-totter with a bunch of liberal-leaning media on the left side and just one thing, "talk radio" on the right. A man with a T-shirt that said "libs" is shown saying, "Hmm. That's not right." Next panel: "Better regulate talk radio". One one side of the FD debate was (mostly) conservatives who felt that the imposition of the Doctrine could kill off ALL talk radio, especially conservative, where it has been dominant.Stations would rather change formats than be subject to speech regulation or put on potentially unpopular shows. On the other side, FD supporters felt the Left wasn't getting a fair shake. Andrew Breitbart's piece in today's (right-leaning) Washington Times talked about Rush Limbaugh's speech at the Conservative Political Action Convention. He felt Rush made a tremendous speech, and that left-leaning media (including "anonymous" comments on blogs) brought back the old Rush-is-evil talk in reaction. Breitbart said that the media mostly tilts Left and that newspapers and TV hate Rush and "for good reason"--because he's contributing to their demise (newspapers at least). Rush has said "I _am_ equal time." Breitbart's column got a bunch of responses, including one from someone who said that the GOP's hopes are pinned to "a drug addict". One thing is true: He is on 600 stations because he draws ratings and advertisers. If the Left got their own Limbaugh, who would wind up on the same amount of stations, then great: it would be the free market in action. Having "opposing views" foisted on radio by government isn't right, though. One could only imagine a Fairness Doctrine applied to TV, newspapers, magazines, movies, music, and ALL radio as well. The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated by Big Brother. I just don't like the idea of government regulating speech. President Barack Obama and former President Jimmy Carter don't either. They didn't support the Fairness Doctrine. Are we being alarmist here? Maybe so, but you can't be too careful. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 12:33:20 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:33:20 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com> <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> > I just don't like the idea of government regulating speech. President > Barack Obama and > former President Jimmy Carter don't either. They didn't support the > Fairness Doctrine. Are > we being alarmist here? Maybe so, but you can't be too careful. The same argument the Right uses to say the FD is not needed ("There are plenty of other media out there today to compete!"), is the same argument that you don't have to worry about the "government regulating speech". There are plenty of other media that are free from any government interference...as long as you are using your own dime....your own resources. The government is entrusted with regulating public resources...especially limited public resources. And to make sure they are used fairly. The government's job is to provide a level playing field...and provide for full debate...and not let the debate be controlled by a few. (Pssst.! I am a conservative who lived through the years when the FD was in full force...and I am not afraid of it.) From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 2 12:51:17 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:51:17 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> <17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > The government's job is to provide a level playing field...and provide for > full debate...and not let the debate be controlled by a few. Who says? Why? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 13:12:41 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:12:41 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> <69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> >> The government's job is to provide a level playing field...and provide >> for >> full debate...and not let the debate be controlled by a few. > > Who says? Why? Because all men are created equal.....and we don't have a caste system where the rights of some are less than the rights of others. The airwaves are a limited natural resource owned by citizenry. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 2 13:26:48 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:26:48 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> <69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC> <73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> Message-ID: The right to be treated fairly by the broadcast media is not in the Constitution. The airwaves may be a public resource, but that alone does not just the FD. We don't all get free fish because the seas are a public resource. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > Because all men are created equal.....and we don't have a caste system > where the rights of some are less than the rights of others. > > The airwaves are a limited natural resource owned by citizenry. From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Mar 2 13:26:47 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:26:47 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already Message-ID: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 12:16PM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: >The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) >is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that >attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated >by Big Brother. I suppose if you include a smiley face, you can always say "Hey, just kidding!" But who exactly are these polemic liberals on NPR? I'm not talking about some vague idea of how the stories are chosen or what points are emphasized in the news, I want to know who exactly on WBUR is the left's equivalent of Limbaugh? Or Hannity? Or Savage? Or Severin? Or any of the other conservative talkers who forcefully advocate for their agenda every hour they're on the air? Wherever you get the idea that "NPR" is some kind of equivalent to this, I just don't hear it. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 13:35:07 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:35:07 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro><69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC><73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> Message-ID: > The right to be treated fairly by the broadcast media is not in the > Constitution. No, but the right of redress(?) is....especially when public resources are used. > The airwaves may be a public resource, but that alone does not just the > FD. Of course it does. It would be like going to town meeting where they only allow those with money to have a say. > We don't all get free fish because the seas are a public resource. No, but we all have the right TO fish. No one fisherman sets the agenda for the sea. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 2 13:45:52 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:45:52 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com>, <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABE310.14125.3F81B0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2009 at 10:41, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Brian Vita wrote: > > Sweet Mother of God. Enough already. This thread has gone on so > > long that I look to the Viagra spam ads for interesting reading. > > > > > How's that working out for you? Funny, I just saw a spam with the subject "ED can be treated," and I wondered who Ed was. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 2 13:45:52 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:45:52 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com>, <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com>, <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABE310.10449.3F828B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2009 at 12:16, Bob Nelson wrote: > One thing is true: He is on 600 stations because he draws ratings > and advertisers. If the Left got their own Limbaugh, who would wind > up on the same amount of stations, then great: it would be the free > market in action. Having "opposing views" foisted on radio by > government isn't right, though. One could only imagine a Fairness > Doctrine applied to TV, newspapers, magazines, movies, music, and > ALL radio as well. Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. There were a large number of advertisers who instructed their agencies not to buy programs on Air America stations, regardless of ratings. > The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) > is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that > attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated by Big Brother. One example of the Fairness Doctrine in action was during the major battles around condominium conversion around 1979-1980 or so. As president of the Brookline Tenant Union, I appeared on a talk show on WBUR with landlord and condo developer Harold Brown. The Brookline District Court had recently issued a criminal complaint against Brown for some sort of violation of Brookline's rent control laws (I don't remember the details). When the subject came up in the program, Brown said that the issuance of the complaint was "coerced." This was a serious accusation, for which Brown had no backup at all. I knew the magistrate who had issued the decision, and while he and I often disagreed, I knew him to be a person of integrity. I responded to that effect and said that he was not one to be "coerced" into issuing a criminal complaint against anyone. I later learned that WBUR sent a cassette of the program to the magistrate and asked if he wanted to reply. He chose not to, but he liked the fact that I defended him. > I just don't like the idea of government regulating speech. President > Barack Obama and former President Jimmy Carter don't either. They > didn't support the Fairness Doctrine. Are we being alarmist here? > Maybe so, but you can't be too careful. I thing the greater danger in this country, and in this day and age, is of large private enterprises regulating speech. I am comfortable with government redressing that imbalance. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 2 13:52:17 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:52:17 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro><69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC><73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <6D96E305AFC746A59689659CE67ABC53@DanBillingsPC> Not anymore. Licenses are limited and only existing fishermen get days at sea off the New England coast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > No, but we all have the right TO fish. No one fisherman sets the agenda > for the sea. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 2 13:45:52 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:45:52 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com>, <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com>, <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABE310.10449.3F828B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2009 at 12:16, Bob Nelson wrote: > One thing is true: He is on 600 stations because he draws ratings > and advertisers. If the Left got their own Limbaugh, who would wind > up on the same amount of stations, then great: it would be the free > market in action. Having "opposing views" foisted on radio by > government isn't right, though. One could only imagine a Fairness > Doctrine applied to TV, newspapers, magazines, movies, music, and > ALL radio as well. Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. There were a large number of advertisers who instructed their agencies not to buy programs on Air America stations, regardless of ratings. > The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) > is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that > attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated by Big Brother. One example of the Fairness Doctrine in action was during the major battles around condominium conversion around 1979-1980 or so. As president of the Brookline Tenant Union, I appeared on a talk show on WBUR with landlord and condo developer Harold Brown. The Brookline District Court had recently issued a criminal complaint against Brown for some sort of violation of Brookline's rent control laws (I don't remember the details). When the subject came up in the program, Brown said that the issuance of the complaint was "coerced." This was a serious accusation, for which Brown had no backup at all. I knew the magistrate who had issued the decision, and while he and I often disagreed, I knew him to be a person of integrity. I responded to that effect and said that he was not one to be "coerced" into issuing a criminal complaint against anyone. I later learned that WBUR sent a cassette of the program to the magistrate and asked if he wanted to reply. He chose not to, but he liked the fact that I defended him. > I just don't like the idea of government regulating speech. President > Barack Obama and former President Jimmy Carter don't either. They > didn't support the Fairness Doctrine. Are we being alarmist here? > Maybe so, but you can't be too careful. I thing the greater danger in this country, and in this day and age, is of large private enterprises regulating speech. I am comfortable with government redressing that imbalance. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Mar 2 13:57:46 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:57:46 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com> <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> <016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com> <1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com> <17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro> <69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC> <73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18860.11306.560614.714926@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The airwaves may be a public resource, but that alone does not just the FD. It did when Justice White was writing for the court in /Red Lion/. Here's the logic: 1) The airwaves are a public resource. 2) The government's responsibility is not to impede freedom of speech or of the press. 3) But for technical reasons, stations must be licensed somehow, or nobody would be able to use the airwaves to communicate their message. 4) Given (2) and (3), the government could, if it so chose, give everyone who wanted to speak a license, and require everyone to share time. 5) But this would be inefficient, so instead the government gives licenses only to a few parties, with the requirement that they be used in a way which reflects the views not only of the licensees, but of that majority of speakers who did not receive broadcasting licenses. What's changed in the years since 1968, besides a much more conservative Supreme Court, is that there are now so many more ways of spreading one's message to a wide audience, that the restriction of speech caused by the system of broadcasting licenses is no longer so onerous as to present an insurmountable barrier for minority viewpoints to be heard. -GAWollman From phylo1@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 10:54:10 2009 From: phylo1@yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:54:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: radio headphone advice Message-ID: <612457.45301.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm a subscriber/lurker and usually read the list at the archives but I have a question I hope someone can help me with. I hope this isn't considered off-topic. I do a radio show about once every 4-5 weeks for 2 hours and I need to have a decent pair of headphones. I was wondering if anyone could recommend some that are perhaps less than $100 (the most less the better ). I have lots of walkman-type cheap ones but I think I need to bite the bullet and get something decent. This is my transition from radio fan to being behind the mic, and I want to do things right. Thanks, Phyllis Part-time Hostess of Shirim, WCUW 91.3 Worcester Sunday Nights at 8 PM. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 14:08:41 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:08:41 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro><69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC><73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> <6D96E305AFC746A59689659CE67ABC53@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <01E2FDF43D8C4D7A8E7DD1FEF011A326@MainXPPro> > Not anymore. Licenses are limited and only existing fishermen get days at > sea off the New England coast. And you can apply for a license....and if you feel wronged, seek redress. The fisherman themselves do not control who is allowed to fish. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 2 14:37:55 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:37:55 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <01E2FDF43D8C4D7A8E7DD1FEF011A326@MainXPPro> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro><69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC><73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro> <6D96E305AFC746A59689659CE67ABC53@DanBillingsPC> <01E2FDF43D8C4D7A8E7DD1FEF011A326@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <01CC7A8CCB144779AF4843614F0DDBD3@DanBillingsPC> In most fisheries today, the number of licenses are fixed. You need to buy an existing license if you want to fish. Just like broadcasting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Bob Nelson" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > And you can apply for a license....and if you feel wronged, seek redress. > > The fisherman themselves do not control who is allowed to fish. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 14:43:58 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:43:58 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com><49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com><016501c99b4f$49890d10$dc9b2730$@com><1fbbbced0903020916s425718c5n79c6ef58f00d4a92@mail.gmail.com><17E21407EB644E149CC5DEBE262E9739@MainXPPro><69E89B89C71849858A5EAD7650D9719D@DanBillingsPC><73E82FC289AD45D7BDA88AC552624646@MainXPPro><6D96E305AFC746A59689659CE67ABC53@DanBillingsPC><01E2FDF43D8C4D7A8E7DD1FEF011A326@MainXPPro> <01CC7A8CCB144779AF4843614F0DDBD3@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <16692C5AA53B434199F54A1778F21A8D@MainXPPro> > In most fisheries today, the number of licenses are fixed. You need to > buy an existing license if you want to fish. And just like broadcasting, the government controls the limited natural resources. However, the constitution does not speak about a "right to fish", nor is the democracy dependent on fish. It does depend on open debate. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 2 14:48:34 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:48:34 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> References: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <002301c99b6f$dfa2e6c0$9ee8b440$@com> AAAARG! Drop me an email when this list gets back to radio. Until then, it's the spam bucket. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM > To: Bob Nelson > Cc: brian_vita@cssinc.com; Boston Radio Group; Bill O'Neill > Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > > > On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 12:16PM, "Bob Nelson" > wrote: > > >The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) > >is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that > >attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated > >by Big Brother. > > I suppose if you include a smiley face, you can always say "Hey, just > kidding!" > > But who exactly are these polemic liberals on NPR? I'm not talking > about some vague idea of how the stories are chosen or what points are > emphasized in the news, I want to know who exactly on WBUR is the > left's equivalent of Limbaugh? Or Hannity? Or Savage? Or Severin? > Or any of the other conservative talkers who forcefully advocate for > their agenda every hour they're on the air? Wherever you get the idea > that "NPR" is some kind of equivalent to this, I just don't hear it. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 2 14:49:06 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <49ABE310.14125.3F81B0@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <007701c99aef$1ad619f0$50824dd0$@com>, <49ABFE32.2030907@gmail.com> <49ABE310.14125.3F81B0@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002601c99b6f$f2d7bdb0$d8873910$@com> He's the guy with dysfunctional reptiles. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:46 PM > To: Bill O'Neill > Cc: 'Boston Radio Group' > Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already > > On 2 Mar 2009 at 10:41, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > > Brian Vita wrote: > > > Sweet Mother of God. Enough already. This thread has gone on so > > > long that I look to the Viagra spam ads for interesting reading. > > > > > > > > How's that working out for you? > > Funny, I just saw a spam with the subject "ED can be treated," and I > wondered who Ed was. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Mar 2 14:59:10 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:59:10 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <002301c99b6f$dfa2e6c0$9ee8b440$@com> References: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> <002301c99b6f$dfa2e6c0$9ee8b440$@com> Message-ID: <40085356839642466233256500518826797792-Webmail@me.com> Hoo-kay, duly noted from the guy with a 22 line sigfile. What part of the note you are upset about WASN'T about radio? On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 02:48PM, "Brian Vita" wrote: >AAAARG! > >Drop me an email when this list gets back to radio. Until then, it's the >spam bucket. > > > > >Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies > > >Brian Vita >President >Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. >77 Walnut St - Ste 4 >Peabody, MA 01960-5691 >brian_vita@cssinc.com >AIM: btvita >tel: >fax: >978-538-7575 >978-538-7550 > > > > > >Want to always have my latest info? >Want a signature like this? > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] >> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM >> To: Bob Nelson >> Cc: brian_vita@cssinc.com; Boston Radio Group; Bill O'Neill >> Subject: Re: FD - Can we move on already >> >> >> On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 12:16PM, "Bob Nelson" >> wrote: >> >> >The day NPR gets conservative political talk (equal to liberal talk) >> >is the day we will indeed be fair and balanced :) Political talk that >> >attracts listeners and advertisers, not mandated >> >by Big Brother. >> >> I suppose if you include a smiley face, you can always say "Hey, just >> kidding!" >> >> But who exactly are these polemic liberals on NPR? I'm not talking >> about some vague idea of how the stories are chosen or what points are >> emphasized in the news, I want to know who exactly on WBUR is the >> left's equivalent of Limbaugh? Or Hannity? Or Savage? Or Severin? >> Or any of the other conservative talkers who forcefully advocate for >> their agenda every hour they're on the air? Wherever you get the idea >> that "NPR" is some kind of equivalent to this, I just don't hear it. > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Mar 2 15:03:48 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:03:48 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <40085356839642466233256500518826797792-Webmail@me.com> References: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> <002301c99b6f$dfa2e6c0$9ee8b440$@com> <40085356839642466233256500518826797792-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <002f01c99b72$00c2c030$02484090$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:59 PM > To: brian_vita@cssinc.com > Cc: 'Mark Laurence'; 'Bob Nelson'; 'Boston Radio Group'; 'Bill O'Neill' > Subject: RE: FD - Can we move on already > > Hoo-kay, duly noted from the guy with a 22 line sigfile. > > What part of the note you are upset about WASN'T about radio? > > > On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 02:48PM, "Brian Vita" > wrote: > >AAAARG! > > > >Drop me an email when this list gets back to radio. Until then, it's > the > >spam bucket. > > > > [Brian Vita] Simply that the discussion, which was going around in circles had beat the poor horse into hamburger. From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 2 16:32:38 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:32:38 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already In-Reply-To: <002f01c99b72$00c2c030$02484090$@com> References: <11651242385878945290064774393320608643-Webmail@me.com> <002301c99b6f$dfa2e6c0$9ee8b440$@com> <40085356839642466233256500518826797792-Webmail@me.com> <002f01c99b72$00c2c030$02484090$@com> Message-ID: <49AC5076.80704@gabrielmass.com> FD? Is that worse than ED? Anyway, FD can be treated. -- From kwillcox@wnsh.com Mon Mar 2 17:02:54 2009 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:02:54 -0500 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. Our advertisers refuse to go on any controversial shows. I believe this makes sense for them, as none of them want to go down the path of Don Imus problem. BTW his wife Deidre was on Laura today and she is a delightful, well-spoken, and superb guest... > Sincerely, Keating Willcox WNSH AM 1570 Women's Talk Radio, For Women, By Women www.wnsh.com 'jackwhite@wnsh.com' From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:21:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:21:47 -0600 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> Fair to say Proctor and Gamble didn't spend very much on Air America. on the other hand NPR does well with liberal contributions On 3/2/09, Keating Willcox wrote: > Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers > refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. > > Our advertisers refuse to go on any controversial shows. I believe this > makes sense for them, as none of them want to go down the path of Don > Imus problem. BTW his wife Deidre was on Laura today and she is a > delightful, well-spoken, and superb guest... >> > > > Sincerely, > > Keating Willcox > > WNSH AM 1570 > Women's Talk Radio, For Women, By Women > www.wnsh.com 'jackwhite@wnsh.com' > > From neggytive@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 16:37:11 2009 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:37:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Headphones Message-ID: <120302.62376.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My personal favorite are Koss Pro 4AA headphones that you can get off Amazon for under 60 bucks http://www.amazon.com/Koss-Pro-4AA-Studio-Quality-Headphones/dp/B00004Z7G9 These are good old fashioned radio headphones, complete with a provision for a microphone. Because they are not open element like your walkman type headphones, you can turn your head left or right without worry of feedback when the mic is open. I still have a set from the mid 70's that work fine. From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 18:49:34 2009 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Headphones In-Reply-To: <120302.62376.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <110802.80115.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Depends on what you want them for. Best I have found as far as sound quality and durabillity are the phones from technics. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Neggy wrote: > From: Neggy > Subject: Headphones > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:37 PM > My personal favorite are Koss Pro 4AA headphones that you > can get off Amazon for under 60 bucks > > http://www.amazon.com/Koss-Pro-4AA-Studio-Quality-Headphones/dp/B00004Z7G9 > > These are good old fashioned radio headphones, complete > with a provision for a microphone. > > Because they are not open element like your walkman type > headphones, you can turn your head left or right without > worry of feedback when the mic is open. > > I still have a set from the mid 70's that work fine. From mariogonz@aol.com Mon Mar 2 21:35:45 2009 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com>, <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I've been lurking on the list for a long time, but I have a 10 year old son and children do know about this station and they do listen to it. We've been listening to it since he was about 6. I think they are finding out about it from the Disney Channel. We do listen to it in the car and I don't know how they are making any money. They do have commercials, but most of them point back to Disney content. There are a few ads targeted to the parents who are listening. Perhaps they are making money because of the sales of their movies and the music on iTunes. My son will ask to buy two or three songs a week to load to his iPod and most of the songs are played on Radio Disney. I also seem to recall that the first High School musical movie was a big hit and the album was #1 on iTunes for a few weeks. The only promotion that was done was on the Disney Channel and Radio Disney. Mario In a message dated 03/01/09 23:53:25 Eastern Standard Time, joe@attorneyross.com writes: On 1 Mar 2009 at 13:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I suppose Moms have it on in the car to keep toddlers happy. How do moms even know about it? Is Radio Disney promoted at all? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 3 00:43:08 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:43:08 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903011158k1a1efca7x5a002bb6cf09244b@mail.gmail.com>, <49AB1F52.27864.4985D6@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <49AC7D1C.1157.439BCC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Mar 2009 at 21:35, Mario Gonzalez Jr. wrote: > I've been lurking on the list for a long time, but I have a 10 year > old son and children do know about this station and they do listen to > it. We've been listening to it since he was about 6. I think they > are finding out about it from the Disney Channel. We do listen to it > in the car and I don't know how they are making any money. They do > have commercials, but most of them point back to Disney content. > There are a few ads targeted to the parents who are listening. Well, thanks for coming out of lurk mode to tell us that. It does add to the information content around here. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Mar 3 01:33:13 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:33:13 -0500 Subject: UK crackdown on pirate radio Message-ID: <49ACCF29.1010202@gabrielmass.com> The BBC has a report on police raids against pirate radio operators in Britain: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7919748.stm The radio authority behind the raids, "Ofcom" -- what a name: that sounds like it came out of Orwell's "1984", like "MiniTrue" -- states that they got complaints of interference from emergency services. I'm surprised at how many pirates are allegedly operating in London and the southeast of England, about 75, according to the story. London's a big city and all, but this probably dwarfs the number of pirates around any major US city, doesn't it? -- --RC From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 02:33:55 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:33:55 -0500 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0903022333s5ab218b2y55d6625e1a63c9fa@mail.gmail.com> And Laura acknowledged Don Imus for getting her started in radio On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Fair to say Proctor and Gamble didn't spend very much on Air America. > > on the other hand NPR does well with liberal contributions > > >A > On 3/2/09, Keating Willcox wrote: >> Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers >> refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. >> >> Our advertisers refuse to go on any controversial shows. I believe this >> makes sense for them, as none of them want to go down the path of Don >> Imus problem. BTW his wife Deidre was on Laura today and she is a >> delightful, well-spoken, and superb guest... >>> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Keating Willcox >> >> WNSH AM 1570 >> Women's Talk Radio, For Women, By Women >> www.wnsh.com 'jackwhite@wnsh.com' >> >> > From bill.smith@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 07:00:11 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:00:11 -0500 Subject: Great Marketing Campaign Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20903030400v4aed7c3ejcb260be806b6a8c9@mail.gmail.com> Unbelieveable how many otherwise rational people have fallen for the contrived Fairness Doctrine debate. Consider: 1) It would have little effect on chat programs. 2) It wasn't going to be repealed. 3) The Right Wing Wackos needed an issue to energize their core audience after Obama's election and inauguration. The needed issue was found, and hence an invented "debate" about a non-issue. It fit nicely with the "them against us" view that drives conservative talk numbers. Marketing 101, people. Create a need and fill it. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 07:13:04 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:13:04 -0500 Subject: Great Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20903030400v4aed7c3ejcb260be806b6a8c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20903030400v4aed7c3ejcb260be806b6a8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD1ED0.70907@gmail.com> Bill Smith wrote: > Unbelieveable how many otherwise rational people have fallen for the > contrived Fairness Doctrine debate. > > Rational? That's a misrepresentation if I ever heard one. The simplest and easiest way to inoculate the FD out of existence would be the swift and certain support of a simple measure by Congress that would kill any further discussion. Forever. Zilch. Nada. Buh bye. Fuggedaboudit. If it is true that the FD is a card played by conservatives then that would trump. Until then, the lingering doubt intertwined with other political minority quirks are left to fester in the ether. Bill [fester is an underused verb] O'Neill From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 3 09:00:53 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:53 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney Message-ID: Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN but felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the state of things. -Doug From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Mar 3 11:21:19 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:21:19 -0500 Subject: FD - Can we move on already Message-ID: <20090303162119.6DF4D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >> There were a large number of advertisers who instructed their agencies not to buy programs on Air America stations, regardless of ratings. (Prog. talk station) HOST: "So these companies that exploit their employees and put small businesses OUT of business, and WalMart, I'm talking about them specifically--they're just evil and must be stopped! Well, we'll be right back after this... "...er, public service announcement..." :) From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 11:27:11 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:27:11 -0600 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE the day before Harvey died. Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN unless they pick up Mickey. On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: > Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN but > felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the > radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the state > of things. -Doug > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 3 11:42:44 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:42:44 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18861.24068.199033.441914@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought > 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The > Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN > unless they pick up Mickey. If the FCC makes the long-threatened move on "a la carte" cable, Disney may find itself holding the short end of the stick on this one. (I can't imagine any "a la carte" requirement for cable systems without a similar restriction on programming providers.) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 12:14:40 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:14:40 -0600 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <18861.24068.199033.441914@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <18861.24068.199033.441914@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770903030914r2a22d290t1a2a64493e25a39b@mail.gmail.com> I have seen surveys that estimate that 70 percent of cable households would drop ESPN if a-la-carte became a reality. Locally it would have a severe impact on NESN as well. CSN is a little murky given that it is owned by Comcast. My friends in Montreal enjoy al-la-carte with Videotron where they can pick 45 channels for $30 and each additional channel is $1. On 3/3/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought >> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The >> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >> unless they pick up Mickey. > > If the FCC makes the long-threatened move on "a la carte" cable, > Disney may find itself holding the short end of the stick on this one. > (I can't imagine any "a la carte" requirement for cable systems > without a similar restriction on programming providers.) > > -GAWollman > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 12:23:10 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:23:10 -0500 Subject: Great Marketing Campaign References: <3ffa0ce20903030400v4aed7c3ejcb260be806b6a8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AD772D11CE8492F9B2988D29464C9A9@MainXPPro> > 3) The Right Wing Wackos needed an issue to energize > their core audience after Obama's election and inauguration. > > Marketing 101, people. Create a need and fill it. It was "created" when Liberals started talking about it first. > It fit nicely with the "them against us" view that drives conservative > talk > numbers. Politics IS "them against us". From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Mar 3 12:35:42 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:35:42 -0500 Subject: advertisers References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> Yet Limbaugh, O'Reilly and, especially, Savage are just as controversial on the "other" side as the Air America hosts were on theirs. Why didn't the advertisers shy away from those shows from the start, sinking them the way they apparently sank Air America? Is the brand-loyal portion of the audience overwhelmingly conservative? (Could be. I've often heard that Nascar's big appeal to corporate America is that its fans will blindly buy whatever product is splashed on their favorite drivers' hoods -- as if Jeff Gordon actually _likes_ Tide. ) Or is the liberal philosophy simply considered anti-corporate at heart? I lean liberal, but I hardly ever listen to talk radio, and when I do, it's usually to Rush or Savage, just to see what the other side is saying. It doesn't have anything to do with entertainment value, it's more that I don't need to hear someone on the radio telling me things I already know or offering me opinions I already have. The whole "ditto-head" phenomenon baffles me. Does it baffle some conservatives, too? Howard Kevin Vahey wrote: > Fair to say Proctor and Gamble didn't spend very much on Air America. > > on the other hand NPR does well with liberal contributions > > > > On 3/2/09, Keating Willcox wrote: > > Even when the left gets ratings, a number of corporate advertisers > > refuse to advertise on left-leaning talk shows. > > > > Our advertisers refuse to go on any controversial shows. I believe this > > makes sense for them, as none of them want to go down the path of Don > > Imus problem. BTW his wife Deidre was on Laura today and she is a > > delightful, well-spoken, and superb guest... > >> > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Keating Willcox > > > > WNSH AM 1570 > > Women's Talk Radio, For Women, By Women > > www.wnsh.com 'jackwhite@wnsh.com' > > > > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 12:51:36 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: advertisers References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com><4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4CCB081964564BB8AF70BE97063C4CAC@MainXPPro> > Yet Limbaugh, O'Reilly and, especially, Savage are just as controversial > on > the "other" side as the Air America hosts were on theirs. Why didn't the > advertisers shy away from those shows from the start, sinking them the way > they apparently sank Air America? O'Reilly and Limbaugh and Hannity were more proven entities than any of the Air America people were, and had some sort of track record. However, I would suppose they had sponsor issues when they were first starting out. >From the start, the ONLY one with any radio experience or track record at Air America was Rhandi Rhodes. Air America only had ideology to sell. And advertisers want more than ideology. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:12:31 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:12:31 -0500 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <49AD730F.8090800@gmail.com> Howard Glazer wrote: > Or is the liberal philosophy simply > considered anti-corporate at heart? > > Where did you ever get that notion? Or, Tell him what he's won, Johnny. b - From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Mar 3 14:12:11 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:12:11 -0500 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <4CCB081964564BB8AF70BE97063C4CAC@MainXPPro> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4CCB081964564BB8AF70BE97063C4CAC@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090303141033.03973288@plymouthcolony.net> Moderator, please take notice. This list is about to lose a subscriber. If I wanted political discussions that have nothing to do with Boston radio I would subscribe to a political mailing list. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Mar 3 16:09:10 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:09:10 -0500 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090303141033.03973288@plymouthcolony.net> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4CCB081964564BB8AF70BE97063C4CAC@MainXPPro> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303141033.03973288@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <90ec04420903031309k20f5ef59tce9fb3738de0b7b8@mail.gmail.com> Seconded Thank you On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > Moderator, please take notice. This list is about to lose a subscriber. If > I wanted political discussions that have nothing to do with Boston radio I > would subscribe to a political mailing list. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, > VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 16:13:13 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:13:13 -0600 Subject: advertisers In-Reply-To: <90ec04420903031309k20f5ef59tce9fb3738de0b7b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AC113E.3873.D722E3@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <4fc429770903021421x7c126b40i1da79547e03832ca@mail.gmail.com> <003501c99c26$7ab14ce0$8e8c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4CCB081964564BB8AF70BE97063C4CAC@MainXPPro> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303141033.03973288@plymouthcolony.net> <90ec04420903031309k20f5ef59tce9fb3738de0b7b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903031313u4bf64a5bvbf1066065e9c9e19@mail.gmail.com> Thirded, thank you. I post a link on here without giving a synopsis and I get yelled at.. my politics, which have nothing to do with Boston or radio are allowed to continue. Paul On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > Seconded > > Thank you > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dale H. Cook > wrote: > > > Moderator, please take notice. This list is about to lose a subscriber. > If > > I wanted political discussions that have nothing to do with Boston radio > I > > would subscribe to a political mailing list. > > > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, > > VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html > > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 3 16:44:04 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:44:04 -0500 Subject: Fairness Doctrine: Let's call it a wrap Message-ID: <18861.42148.416902.357816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I think we've gotten to the point where everybody just repeats the positions they've staked out before, without adding anything new or interesting to the conversation, so let's declare the Fairness Doctrine thread closed for now. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 3 17:50:06 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:50:06 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1462330DA81A42C681C29302181378AA@DougDrown> > On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney > Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN unless they pick up Mickey. If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody has found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, but we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Radio Disney >I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was > responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. > > Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE > the day before Harvey died. > > Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought > 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The > Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN > unless they pick up Mickey. > > On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN but >> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the >> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the >> state >> of things. -Doug >> > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 3 18:23:12 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:23:12 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1462330DA81A42C681C29302181378AA@DougDrown> <4fc429770903031504j440bea80i99664bc5fce8688f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3723148AE2FF439BAD21E27672460E5C@DougDrown> Hmm. Perhaps this also explains why we're getting two ABC affiliates (WVII in Bangor and WMTW). But then again, we also get the NBC and CBS affiliates from both Bangor and Portland, the logic of which escapes me as well. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Radio Disney > More than likely your system carries WMTW or WMUR (owned by Hearst) > which owns 20 percent of ESPN. Hearst years back told the former Media > One they could not carry WCVB unless they picked up the then new ESPN2 > > The reason Comcast desperately tried to buy Disney is the enormous > fees they pay the mouse for programming fees. > > A-la-carte is a cat Mickey Mouse is very scared of. > > On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>> On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney >>> Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >> unless they pick up Mickey. >> >> If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody has >> found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, >> but >> we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. >> -Doug >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Doug Drown" ; "(newsgroup) >> Boston-Radio-Interest" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Radio Disney >> >> >>>I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was >>> responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. >>> >>> Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE >>> the day before Harvey died. >>> >>> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought >>> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The >>> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >>> unless they pick up Mickey. >>> >>> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>>> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN >>>> but >>>> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the >>>> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the >>>> state >>>> of things. -Doug >>>> >>> >> >> > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 3 18:31:51 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:31:51 -0500 Subject: WABI is no more Message-ID: <37BB510CAFD64ED1A7AD816EA94064DB@DougDrown> Scott Fybush reports in this week's North East Radio Watch that Maine's oldest radio station, WABI in Bangor, has changed its call letters to WAEI (AM) to reflect its recent affiliation with the WEEI Sports Network. This may seem insignificant, but the call letters have been the same since the station first went on the air in 1924. The FM counterpart, which it simulcasts, became WAEI-FM about two months ago. The historic WABI calls now rest solely with Bangor's Channel 5 (5.1 DT), which is under separate ownership. Sad, I think, and unnecessary . . . but not surprising. WABI was originally placed on the air by the First Universalist Church in Bangor, then later was sold to the Bangor Hydro-Electric Company. Gov. Horace Hildreth bought it in the late '40s, and subsequently established the FM and TV stations. Diversified Communications (owned by his heirs) sold the radio outlets about ten years ago, IIRC. -Doug From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 3 18:39:51 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:39:51 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1462330DA81A42C681C29302181378AA@DougDrown> <4fc429770903031504j440bea80i99664bc5fce8688f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A5C0617CF344D11BD08E888786B26C8@DougDrown> This may in part explain why we're still getting WMTW while WVII in Bangor was added to our cable system about two years ago. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out within the next year. WLBZ in Bangor was also added in 2007, while WCSH, curiously, was retained (at about the same time NBC WeatherPlus was put on the air. I'm not sure that was a coincidence). What's more, we have been receiving both WABI-TV and WGME for years. The owner of the cable company says that FCC regulations required it to begin carrying the Bangor stations, as we live a good deal nearer Bangor than Portland. The company plans to drop the Portland stations later in 2009. Given the ESPN deal, though, I wonder if that'll include WMTW? Personally, I'd LOVE to see a la carte cable. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Radio Disney > More than likely your system carries WMTW or WMUR (owned by Hearst) > which owns 20 percent of ESPN. Hearst years back told the former Media > One they could not carry WCVB unless they picked up the then new ESPN2 > > The reason Comcast desperately tried to buy Disney is the enormous > fees they pay the mouse for programming fees. > > A-la-carte is a cat Mickey Mouse is very scared of. > > On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>> On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney >>> Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >> unless they pick up Mickey. >> >> If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody has >> found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, >> but >> we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. >> -Doug >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Vahey" >> To: "Doug Drown" ; "(newsgroup) >> Boston-Radio-Interest" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Radio Disney >> >> >>>I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was >>> responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. >>> >>> Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE >>> the day before Harvey died. >>> >>> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought >>> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The >>> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >>> unless they pick up Mickey. >>> >>> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>>> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN >>>> but >>>> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the >>>> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the >>>> state >>>> of things. -Doug >>>> >>> >> >> > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 18:04:28 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:04:28 -0600 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <1462330DA81A42C681C29302181378AA@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1462330DA81A42C681C29302181378AA@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770903031504j440bea80i99664bc5fce8688f@mail.gmail.com> More than likely your system carries WMTW or WMUR (owned by Hearst) which owns 20 percent of ESPN. Hearst years back told the former Media One they could not carry WCVB unless they picked up the then new ESPN2 The reason Comcast desperately tried to buy Disney is the enormous fees they pay the mouse for programming fees. A-la-carte is a cat Mickey Mouse is very scared of. On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >> On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney >> Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN > unless they pick up Mickey. > > If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody has > found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, but > we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. > -Doug > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" ; "(newsgroup) > Boston-Radio-Interest" > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: Radio Disney > > >>I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was >> responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. >> >> Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE >> the day before Harvey died. >> >> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought >> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The >> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >> unless they pick up Mickey. >> >> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN but >>> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the >>> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the >>> state >>> of things. -Doug >>> >> > > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 19:30:20 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:30:20 -0600 Subject: A-la-carte cable - was Radio Disney Message-ID: <4fc429770903031630n728fdf2fpfa6f9d5a1aa44b8a@mail.gmail.com> I think al-la-carte will happen sooner or later as the cost of basic cable has gotten way out of hand. Consumers blame the cable company as they are unaware of how much the companies have to pay for channels. Irony is ESPN almost went belly up in 1981 as they were PAYING systems a nickle per subscriber just to be carried. When the mouse got NFL games in 1987 it all changed. Today Disney gets almost $7 a month from all basic cable homes. NESN is getting a little more than $2. The system seems to work well in Canada. Disney will fight this tooth and nail but given the economic climate right now I can not see it being stopped. CBC and the CRTC are at war however over WGN Chicago showing NHL games on Saturday. WGN can not show NHL games on the superstation in the US but in Canada only the Chicago feed is allowed by the CRTC. Same applies to channel 17 out of Atlanta which is now local Peachtree TV but it is carried in Canada as TBS is not allowed. On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: > This may in part explain why we're still getting WMTW while WVII in Bangor > was added to our cable system about two years ago. It will be interesting > to see how this all plays out within the next year. WLBZ in Bangor was also > added in 2007, while WCSH, curiously, was retained (at about the same time > NBC WeatherPlus was put on the air. I'm not sure that was a coincidence). > What's more, we have been receiving both WABI-TV and WGME for years. The > owner of the cable company says that FCC regulations required it to begin > carrying the Bangor stations, as we live a good deal nearer Bangor than > Portland. The company plans to drop the Portland stations later in 2009. > Given the ESPN deal, though, I wonder if that'll include WMTW? > > Personally, I'd LOVE to see a la carte cable. > > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Doug Drown" > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: Radio Disney > > >> More than likely your system carries WMTW or WMUR (owned by Hearst) >> which owns 20 percent of ESPN. Hearst years back told the former Media >> One they could not carry WCVB unless they picked up the then new ESPN2 >> >> The reason Comcast desperately tried to buy Disney is the enormous >> fees they pay the mouse for programming fees. >> >> A-la-carte is a cat Mickey Mouse is very scared of. >> >> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>>> On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney >>>> Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >>> unless they pick up Mickey. >>> >>> If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody has >>> found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, >>> but >>> we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. >>> -Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kevin Vahey" >>> To: "Doug Drown" ; "(newsgroup) >>> Boston-Radio-Interest" >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: Radio Disney >>> >>> >>>>I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was >>>> responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. >>>> >>>> Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the NYSE >>>> the day before Harvey died. >>>> >>>> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought >>>> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The >>>> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN >>>> unless they pick up Mickey. >>>> >>>> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: >>>>> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN >>>>> but >>>>> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and the >>>>> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the >>>>> state >>>>> of things. -Doug >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Mar 3 19:38:07 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:38:07 -0500 Subject: New lineup on 970 WZAN Message-ID: <240C810AF2A24939AB6958A02A735D8A@DanBillingsPC> The "radio for men" talk lineup that was on Saga's 970 WZAN Portland is moving to Saga's 1400/1490 simulcast. The nostalgia music format that was on those stations after Imus will be gone after tomorrow. http://www.mainestalkradio.com/WHAT-HAPPENED-TO--RADIO-FOR-MEN-----/3951189 Imus has moved back to WZAN. He was on that station for more than a decade until his comments about the Rutgers womens basketball team got him banished. After Imus, the station will carry Laura Ingraham, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and Lars Larson. Ingram and Savage were grabbed from 1310 WLOB. Hannity was grabbed by WGAN last month. For today, at least, Hannity was heard live on WZAN and then on a delayed basis starting at 6 on WGAN. It also looks like Joy Browne is on both stations. My guess is WGAN's lineup will see some changes. http://www.mainestalkradio.com/Schedule/3931605 WZAN will also be the home of the Portland Pirates and the Portland SeaDogs. I assume that due to conflicts NASCAR will be moving to 1400/1490. The interesting thing about these changes is now WZAN will be competing directly with WGAN most of the day. Over at JJ Jeffery's 1310 WLOB, after their local morning show that is simulcast on TV on the local Fox stations, they will have Mike Gallagher, Neil Bortz, Lou Dobbs, and John Gibson. Their whole lineup after the morning show has changed, with Ingraham, Hannity, and Savage now on WZAN. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 19:38:58 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:38:58 -0600 Subject: WABI is no more In-Reply-To: <37BB510CAFD64ED1A7AD816EA94064DB@DougDrown> References: <37BB510CAFD64ED1A7AD816EA94064DB@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770903031638m7a3e3d07p2820b84fc44fc218@mail.gmail.com> What station in Bangor will wind up with Sox and Celtics play by play? WZON actually became all sports after Mr. King bought the station to insure he could listen to the Sox at home. I am very curious to see how EEI in Bangor affects WZON. Bangor is over 200 miles from Boston but the fans there are rabid fans. We all saw what happened when EEI moved into Providence and just destroyed WSKO. Could it happen in Bangor as well? On 3/3/09, Doug Drown wrote: > Scott Fybush reports in this week's North East Radio Watch that Maine's > oldest radio station, WABI in Bangor, has changed its call letters to WAEI > (AM) to reflect its recent affiliation with the WEEI Sports Network. This > may seem insignificant, but the call letters have been the same since the > station first went on the air in 1924. The FM counterpart, which it > simulcasts, became WAEI-FM about two months ago. The historic WABI calls > now rest solely with Bangor's Channel 5 (5.1 DT), which is under separate > ownership. > > Sad, I think, and unnecessary . . . but not surprising. > > WABI was originally placed on the air by the First Universalist Church in > Bangor, then later was sold to the Bangor Hydro-Electric Company. Gov. > Horace Hildreth bought it in the late '40s, and subsequently established the > FM and TV stations. Diversified Communications (owned by his heirs) sold > the radio outlets about ten years ago, IIRC. > > -Doug > > From kenwvt@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 20:24:13 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:24:13 +0000 Subject: A-la-carte cable - was Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903031630n728fdf2fpfa6f9d5a1aa44b8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e0cd47c7ed3048e046440e882@google.com> Your never going to see a la carte cable. That shipped has sailed. -Ken On Mar 3, 2009 7:30pm, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think al-la-carte will happen sooner or later as the cost of basic > cable has gotten way out of hand. Consumers blame the cable company as > they are unaware of how much the companies have to pay for channels. > Irony is ESPN almost went belly up in 1981 as they were PAYING systems > a nickle per subscriber just to be carried. When the mouse got NFL > games in 1987 it all changed. Today Disney gets almost $7 a month from > all basic cable homes. NESN is getting a little more than $2. > The system seems to work well in Canada. Disney will fight this tooth > and nail but given the economic climate right now I can not see it > being stopped. > CBC and the CRTC are at war however over WGN Chicago showing NHL games > on Saturday. WGN can not show NHL games on the superstation in the US > but in Canada only the Chicago feed is allowed by the CRTC. Same > applies to channel 17 out of Atlanta which is now local Peachtree TV > but it is carried in Canada as TBS is not allowed. > On 3/3/09, Doug Drown revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > This may in part explain why we're still getting WMTW while WVII in > Bangor > > was added to our cable system about two years ago. It will be > interesting > > to see how this all plays out within the next year. WLBZ in Bangor was > also > > added in 2007, while WCSH, curiously, was retained (at about the same > time > > NBC WeatherPlus was put on the air. I'm not sure that was a > coincidence). > > What's more, we have been receiving both WABI-TV and WGME for years. The > > owner of the cable company says that FCC regulations required it to > begin > > carrying the Bangor stations, as we live a good deal nearer Bangor than > > Portland. The company plans to drop the Portland stations later in 2009. > > Given the ESPN deal, though, I wonder if that'll include WMTW? > > > > Personally, I'd LOVE to see a la carte cable. > > > > -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Vahey" kvahey@comcast.net> > > To: "Doug Drown" revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> > > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Radio Disney > > > > > >> More than likely your system carries WMTW or WMUR (owned by Hearst) > >> which owns 20 percent of ESPN. Hearst years back told the former Media > >> One they could not carry WCVB unless they picked up the then new ESPN2 > >> > >> The reason Comcast desperately tried to buy Disney is the enormous > >> fees they pay the mouse for programming fees. > >> > >> A-la-carte is a cat Mickey Mouse is very scared of. > >> > >> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > >>>> On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The Disney > >>>> Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN > >>> unless they pick up Mickey. > >>> > >>> If that's the case, either we're gettin' cheated up here or somebody > has > >>> found a loophole. Our local cable system carries both ESPN and ESPN 2, > >>> but > >>> we don't get Disney. I've often wondered why. > >>> -Doug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Kevin Vahey" kvahey@comcast.net> > >>> To: "Doug Drown" revdoug1@myfairpoint.net>; "(newsgroup) > >>> Boston-Radio-Interest" boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:27 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Radio Disney > >>> > >>> > >>>>I saw in the Chicago Tribune yesterday that Paul Harvey was > >>>> responsible for ninety percent of the income of ABC Radio Network. > >>>> > >>>> Also the story noted that Citadel was officially dislisted by the > NYSE > >>>> the day before Harvey died. > >>>> > >>>> Disney thinks enough of the Radio Disney franchise that they bought > >>>> 1260. On the cable side an operator has no choice but to carry The > >>>> Disney Channel at a hefty fee because otherwise they can't carry ESPN > >>>> unless they pick up Mickey. > >>>> > >>>> On 3/3/09, Doug Drown revdoug1@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > >>>>> Interesting how Disney/ABC can continue to run Radio Disney and ESPN > >>>>> but > >>>>> felt financially compelled to spin off the other radio networks and > the > >>>>> radio O&Os. I guess it tells us something about demographics and the > >>>>> state > >>>>> of things. -Doug > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Mar 3 11:38:44 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:38:44 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> Interesting!...meanwhile the Radio Equalizer blog has several comments from people on Democratic Underground, the Chicago Tribune, and Huffington Post; folks who said they couldn't stand his voice; that the show was the only one where "the advertising was indistinguishable from the news"; they called him an "old fascist" and said he can "kiss Reagan's butt in hell". Stay classy. (One HuffPost reader said Harvey had the same "arch-conservative, right-wing, hate-filled philosophy" as "Limblob".) But who knows, maybe some folks on the Right hated him too and I haven't seen those yet. http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/ RIP Mr. Harvey. Good...day? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 3 23:46:47 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:46:47 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > meanwhile the Radio Equalizer blog has several comments from people > on Democratic Underground, the Chicago Tribune, and Huffington Post; And this matters... why, exactly? You are attributing far more importance to the blatherings of anonymous navel-gazers in the NuMedia echo chamber than seems warranted. (How did we get back onto Paul Harvey in a thread about Radio Disney?) I never much cared for Harvey's politics, and I found his delivery at times to be almost comical (particularly with his mispronunciation of elementary words like "Chelsea" and "protein"), but you still have to admire him for his longevity and reach. He was undoubtedly a relic of a different time in radio, but some relics are worth keeping around just to remind us that the way things are is not necessarily the way things have to be. How many more ABC-I affiliates will defect now that he's no longer around to draw them in? I suppose after losing many Clear Channel AMs some years ago, there aren't too many big markets left to lose, aside from the ones that Citadel still owns for the moment, and Harvey was a bigger draw in smaller markets anyway. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 3 23:57:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:57:47 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770903032057y214293d5i4f25036f153cfc90@mail.gmail.com> I found it odd that in Chicago Harvey aired on WGN and not ABC-Citadel WLS. Perhaps this dates back to WLS days as a Top 40 outlet. Maybe Donna knows but did Harvey become famous riding the coat tails of ABC's popular Breakfast Club also based in Chicago? From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 4 07:23:20 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:23:20 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>the Radio Equalizer blog has several comments from people on Democratic Underground, the Chicago Tribune, and Huffington Post; folks who said they couldn't stand his voice; that the show was the only one where "the advertising was indistinguishable from the news"; they called him an "old fascist" and said he can "kiss Reagan's butt in hell". Stay classy. (One HuffPost reader said Harvey had the same "arch-conservative, right-wing, hate-filled philosophy" as "Limblob".) But who knows, maybe some folks on the Right hated him too and I haven't seen those yet.<< This is what you get when people are driven by agendas rather than facts, because if you listened to Paul Harvey even once, you'd know that none of those opinions are based on facts...not even close. Yes, Harvey was conservative, but that's about all they got right. Calling him a fascist and hate-filled is an outright lie, and claiming that he didn't clearly delineate his commercial copy from his news-and-comment copy is more evidence that they weren't listening. Harvey had the gift, which is rapidly vanishing from talk radio, of advancing his views without being snotty, argumentative or libelous. He had his opinions, he stated them, but he didn't ram them down anyone's throat, didn't claim to be some sort of fount of all wisdom and certainly did not, in his many years behind the mike, become full of himself. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 4 07:26:19 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:26:19 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>How many more ABC-I affiliates will defect now that he's no longer around to draw them in?<< Rich Wood, who used to work for ABC Radio on the programming side, has stated elsewhere that he recalls many stations affiliating with ABC solely to carry Paul Harvey, so it sounds like many may drop that affiliation. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Mar 4 10:32:13 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:32:13 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com><18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: > Rich Wood, who used to work for ABC Radio on the programming side, has > stated elsewhere that he recalls many stations affiliating with ABC solely > to carry Paul Harvey, so it sounds like many may drop that affiliation. . . . Which brings up a question: Has ABC given any word regarding an heir presumptive? Gil Gross would be the logical person if there were one; I wonder if they'll decide just to discontinue the broadcast altogether. (We don't get ABC Radio up here any more, so I'm out of the loop in terms of knowing what's currently on.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:26 AM Subject: RE: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) >>>How many more ABC-I affiliates will defect now that he's no longer > around to draw them in?<< > > Rich Wood, who used to work for ABC Radio on the programming side, has > stated elsewhere that he recalls many stations affiliating with ABC solely > to carry Paul Harvey, so it sounds like many may drop that affiliation. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 4 09:40:18 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:40:18 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> Interesting tidbit from Phil Rosenthal in the Chicago Tribune. This is the first week since 1933 going back to the NBC-Blue Network that ABC Radio has not fed a show based in Chicago. From scott@fybush.com Wed Mar 4 11:38:54 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:38:54 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Interesting tidbit from Phil Rosenthal in the Chicago Tribune. > > This is the first week since 1933 going back to the NBC-Blue Network > that ABC Radio has not fed a show based in Chicago. > And here's another one, courtesy of the pseudonymous "Jose Fritz" at tenwatts.blogspot.com: Paul Harvey was the last remaining air talent still working who was older than radio broadcasting itself. (Assuming, of course, that we accept 1920 as the starting point for full-fledged radio broadcasting, which I think I do, even leaving KDKA's claims aside.) s From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Mar 4 12:23:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:23:46 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903040923s4592ebdbw68d5106692bc69ca@mail.gmail.com> Scott I could make a case for Andy Rooney (b 1919) as he does pop up on CBS Radio Mike Wallace (b 1918) hasn't officially retired either From paulranderson@charter.net Wed Mar 4 11:21:07 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:21:07 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Interesting tidbit from Phil Rosenthal in the Chicago Tribune. > > This is the first week since 1933 going back to the NBC-Blue Network > that ABC Radio has not fed a show based in Chicago. What program or person is on instead of "Paul Harvey News and Comment" (or whatever it has been called since Paul Harvey Jr. pretty much took over the show) this week? Paul From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Mar 4 12:22:51 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:22:51 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0903040922y4878e855l6bdbc644db079bdb@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to any who were offended by the content of my post--and note that I did point out that some on the Right might also have the same views, who knows. My point was that some people didn't quite get it, weren't quite listening. There are loonies, extremists, and dummies on either side of the aisle. > This is what you get when people are driven by agendas rather than facts, because if you listened to Paul Harvey even once, you'd know that none of those opinions are based on facts...not even close. ?Yes, Harvey was conservative, but that's about all they got right. ?Calling him a fascist and hate-filled is an outright lie, and claiming that he didn't clearly delineate his commercial copy from his news-and-comment copy is more evidence that they weren't listening. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Mar 4 12:59:05 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:59:05 -0500 Subject: Harvey replacement Message-ID: <49AEC169.7050606@gmail.com> I thought I had heard that ABC Radio had signed Mike Huckabee to do a similar service as Paul Harvey? Did that deal ever happen? I am amazed at the figures I've seen (here and elsewhere) that PH was responsible for a lion's share of revenue to the network. Bill O'Neill From mward@iname.com Wed Mar 4 13:05:29 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:05:29 -0500 Subject: Harvey replacement In-Reply-To: <49AEC169.7050606@gmail.com> References: <49AEC169.7050606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AEC2E9.2090003@iname.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > I thought I had heard that ABC Radio had signed Mike Huckabee to do a > similar service as Paul Harvey? Did that deal ever happen? I mentioned it in my last reply on this list..."The Huckabee Report" has been around for a few months now. It supposedly has 90 affiliates. (PH, from what I've read in the past week, left this earth with 900 affiliates.) And as I said on the previous mail, I do expect ABC/Citadel will try to sell Huckabee to PH's affiliates, depending on what happens with the remains of the franchise after Friday. The company's KSFO/560, the conservative talk sister to KGO in San Francisco, promotes The Huckabee Report on its website. PH moved over to KSFO from a long-time clearance on KGO a while back... > I am amazed at the figures I've seen (here and elsewhere) that PH was > responsible for a lion's share of revenue to the network. > > Bill O'Neill > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 4 13:16:56 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:16:56 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: But didn't some citizens of San Jose and San Francisco just celebrate radio broadcasting's 100th anniversary, based on the 1909 date when "Doc" Herrold (I think that was his name) is supposed to have begun his broadcasts on what eventually became KQW and then KCBS? Until I did a little googling, I had never thought about the technical feats involved in modulating the output of a spark-gap transmitter with audio. That, however, is what Herrold apparently did. If I'm not mistaken, 8XK (KDKA) didn't emerge until the technology had evolved to the point where the audio was used to modulate sine-wave carriers. Whether 8XK used vacuum tubes to generate those carriers in 1920 (did vacuum tubes even exist yet?) or used an electromechanical device (something called an Alexanderson alternator, perhaps), I don't know. But while nobody can deny that radio was still very much in its infancy in 1920, I think you should agree that it had been born more than a decade earlier. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Interesting tidbit from Phil Rosenthal in the Chicago Tribune. >> >> This is the first week since 1933 going back to the NBC-Blue >> Network >> that ABC Radio has not fed a show based in Chicago. >> > > And here's another one, courtesy of the pseudonymous "Jose Fritz" at > tenwatts.blogspot.com: Paul Harvey was the last remaining air talent > still working who was older than radio broadcasting itself. > > (Assuming, of course, that we accept 1920 as the starting point for > full-fledged radio broadcasting, which I think I do, even leaving > KDKA's claims aside.) > > s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 4 14:36:10 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com><18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49AED82A.4050408@ttlc.net> ABC reported (IIRC R&R) that they will let PH Jr grieve first and then decide the fate of his father's legacy & shows. Doug Drown wrote: >> Rich Wood, who used to work for ABC Radio on the programming side, >> has stated elsewhere that he recalls many stations affiliating with >> ABC solely to carry Paul Harvey, so it sounds like many may drop that >> affiliation. > > . . . Which brings up a question: Has ABC given any word regarding an > heir presumptive? Gil Gross would be the logical person if there were > one; I wonder if they'll decide just to discontinue the broadcast > altogether. (We don't get ABC Radio up here any more, so I'm out of > the loop in terms of knowing what's currently on.) -Doug > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:26 AM > Subject: RE: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) > > >>>> How many more ABC-I affiliates will defect now that he's no longer >> around to draw them in?<< >> >> Rich Wood, who used to work for ABC Radio on the programming side, >> has stated elsewhere that he recalls many stations affiliating with >> ABC solely to carry Paul Harvey, so it sounds like many may drop that >> affiliation. >> >> Sid Schweiger >> IT Manager, Entercom New England >> 20 Guest St / 3d Floor >> Brighton MA 02135-2040 >> >> >> >> > > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 15:40:34 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:40:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) In-Reply-To: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <273360.40729.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And you'd be surprised on how many people "from both sides of the aisle" loved to listen to Paul Harvey. My self included (and I'm a Liberal). Case in point, back in '79, WCCC-FM in Hartford, not exactly your run-of-the-mill FM station by any means actually ran "Paul Harvey News and Comment", "Paul Harvey News" and of course "The REST of The Story", everyday. 'CCC was your typical FM Progressive Rocker of the time. Everybody at work would stop EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING.... just to listen to the 15 minute version at 12:06 PM. And just before "The REST Of The Story", Peter Kohl would preface the show with "Well, I'm Peter Kohl, Southern New England's Best Rock is on WCCC AM 1290 and FM 107. And it's 4:55 and time for YOU-KNOW-WHO........". I was BULL**** when WBZ pulled Paul Harvey from their all news lineup a couple of years ago, just to make room for more of their Top 40 news. Harvey's show was a staple for me. I took lunch specifically just in time for Harvey's show. I know that 'BZ was inundated with calls but to no avail. Since then, it's not been a preset on my car's radio. I thought for sure that Paul Harvey would be around until he turned 100. Sadly, that is not going to be the case. But WOW what a great long run! There will never be another Paul Harvey. His beloved "Angel" is probably rejoicing right now. RIP, Paul Harvey (1918-2009) Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Masaachusetts Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > From: Garrett Wollman > Subject: Paul Harvey (was: Re: Radio Disney) > To: "Bob Nelson" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 11:46 PM > < said: > > > meanwhile the Radio Equalizer blog has several > comments from people > > on Democratic Underground, the Chicago Tribune, and > Huffington Post; > > And this matters... why, exactly? > > You are attributing far more importance to the blatherings > of > anonymous navel-gazers in the NuMedia echo chamber than > seems > warranted. > > (How did we get back onto Paul Harvey in a thread about > Radio Disney?) > > I never much cared for Harvey's politics, and I found > his delivery at > times to be almost comical (particularly with his > mispronunciation of > elementary words like "Chelsea" and > "protein"), but you still have to > admire him for his longevity and reach. He was undoubtedly > a relic of > a different time in radio, but some relics are worth > keeping around > just to remind us that the way things are is not > necessarily the way > things have to be. > > How many more ABC-I affiliates will defect now that > he's no longer > around to draw them in? I suppose after losing many Clear > Channel > AMs some years ago, there aren't too many big markets > left to lose, > aside from the ones that Citadel still owns for the moment, > and Harvey > was a bigger draw in smaller markets anyway. > > -GAWollman From mward@iname.com Wed Mar 4 12:34:58 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:34:58 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> Message-ID: <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> Paul Anderson wrote: > What program or person is on instead of "Paul Harvey News and Comment" > (or whatever it has been called since Paul Harvey Jr. pretty much took > over the show) this week? The regular Harvey time slots are being filled with an ongoing tribute/retrospective, mostly hosted by Gil Gross...though I think I read somewhere that Doug Limerick was in that mix, too. You can hear the segments at PaulHarvey.com. What they do after Friday? It's not known yet. Supposedly, Paul Jr. has major input into what happens next, per a New York Daily News article earlier this week...aside from that, many are wondering if ABC will try to sell PH affiliates on Mike Huckabee if possible. Not as a replacement for the PH broadcasts, but his existing segments...two commentaries, one morning, one afternoon, 3 minutes (plus a minute spot) long... From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Mar 4 19:57:31 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:57:31 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20090305005738.1183744C04D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:16 PM 3/4/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >But didn't some citizens of San Jose and San Francisco just celebrate >radio broadcasting's 100th anniversary, based on the 1909 date when >"Doc" Herrold (I think that was his name) is supposed to have begun >his broadcasts on what eventually became KQW and then KCBS? There's no "supposed to" about it-- that one is actually very thoroughly documented, and the career of Charles "Doc" Herrold and his wife Sybil (who taught Morse code and was also an announcer-- she did a weekly on-air request and dedication program) was the subject of a nice little documentary film called "Broadcasting's Forgotten Father," produced and written by Prof. Mike Adams of San Jos? State University. From scott@fybush.com Wed Mar 4 20:17:02 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:17:02 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49AF280E.2040704@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But while nobody can deny that radio was still very much in its > infancy in 1920, I think you should agree that it had been born more > than a decade earlier. You'll get no argument whatsoever from me about the validity of what Doc Herrold, or Eunice Randall, for that matter, did prior to 1920. What I've long argued that KDKA (and to a certain extent WWJ) accomplished in 1920 was the transformation of what had been largely an experimental medium into an industry. KDKA wasn't the first anything - but it used the Westinghouse PR machinery to catapult radio broadcasting into the national public consciousness in a way that San Jose Calling, or 9XM, or 1XE/WGI, or any of the other true pioneers weren't quite able to do. To put it in more contemporary terms, a handful of computer scientists might have been exchanging e-mails over Arpanet or its predecessors way back in 1969, but I'd still say anyone born before 1990 (maybe even later in the nineties) was born "before the Internet." s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 4 21:06:03 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:06:03 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> Message-ID: <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What they do after Friday? It's not known yet. Supposedly, Paul Jr. > has major input into what happens next, per a New York Daily News > article earlier this week...aside from that, many are wondering if ABC > will try to sell PH affiliates on Mike Huckabee if possible. Does WW1 use this as an opportunity to try to get more clearance for "The Osgood File"? -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Wed Mar 4 22:40:23 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:40:23 -0500 Subject: Former WLLH/WCAP Personality Steve Amirault Has Passed Away Message-ID: <7CE8E84307524F9B867B374D032C8390@Mark> Steve Amirault, former PD of WCAP passed away on Monday at the age of 62. He was the PD when WCAP upgraded to 5KW DA-2 in 1980. Prior to his WCAP gig, he worked at WLLH. Link to his obituary in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune: http://www.legacy.com/eagletribune/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=124863320 Mark Watson From mward@iname.com Wed Mar 4 21:22:12 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:22:12 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Does WW1 use this as an opportunity to try to get more clearance for > "The Osgood File"? Oh, certainly. I think there's an "opening" here, though I don't know how many similar products there are. And by "similar", I mean daily news/comment...not similar to the Harvey style. ABC Radio has Huckabee, as mentioned, but they'll probably keep the PH time slot going in the immediate future until a final decision is made. The smart money would bet on Gil Gross playing a role in that, sort of a caretaker in the near term. The smart money, IMHO, is on ABC Radio dumping the 15 minute "noon visit" no matter what they offer to the Harvey affiliates... From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Mar 4 23:30:33 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:30:33 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> Message-ID: At 9:22 PM -0500 3/4/09, Mike Ward wrote: > >ABC Radio has Huckabee, as mentioned, but they'll probably keep the >PH time slot going in the immediate future until a final decision is >made. The smart money would bet on Gil Gross playing a role in >that, sort of a caretaker in the near term. I don't think Huckabee would get cleared on enough stations, I see him as being too much of a polarizing personality. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 01:06:14 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:06:14 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? Message-ID: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> When talking about commercial radio at the beginning one has to include XWA Montreal that started in 1919 and then became CFCF in 1920. The station was owned by Marconi of Canada for years. They got shafted in their final dial placement of 600 as CKAC was given the blowtorch at 730. Today the license lives on 940 and for the most part is playing oldies that FM stations in Montreal can't (only the CRTC could come up with that) They tried to be news-talk when they moved to 940 but it never caught on as CJAD just owns the market. From attychase@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 01:15:28 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 01:15:28 -0500 Subject: Fairness Doctrine: Let's call it a wrap References: Message-ID: But I think it will be interesting to the group to take a look at the war going on between the Fall River Herald News and our local politico kingpin/real estate operator's WSAR talk radio station at http://www.heraldnews.com/opinions/x594735896/A-moment-to-clear-the-air-then-back-to-business . This just was published today. > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:44:04 -0500 > From: Garrett Wollman > Subject: Fairness Doctrine: Let's call it a wrap > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Message-ID: <18861.42148.416902.357816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I think we've gotten to the point where everybody just repeats the > positions they've staked out before, without adding anything new or > interesting to the conversation, so let's declare the Fairness > Doctrine thread closed for now. > > -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Mar 5 02:44:03 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:44:03 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey Message-ID: <20090305074404.31AA483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> For now at least Gil Gross and Doug Limerick will handle the hosting duties, according to http://www.radio-info.com , though they certainly aren't billed (yet) as permanent. Gross will do mornings, middays, and Saturday midday, while Limerick handles afternoons on weekdays plus Sat. mornings. Starts Monday. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 5 07:26:16 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:26:16 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> Was CKAC on 730 prior to NARBA (3/31/41)? I doubt it. IIRC, NARBA was what inserted 730 as a Mexican IA channel, which could be used by Canadian Class IIs that protected the Mexican border. Full-time operation by US stations on the Mexican IA channels of 730, 900, 1050, and 1220 (except for 1050 in New York and 1220 in Cleveland, which were covered by separate treaties) began only about 20 years ago (with the Rio treaty, I think). Initially, except for the two exceptions I mentioned, US AMs on those frequencies were restricted to 500W at night. CKAC has been on 730 with 50 kW-U for many decades but has only nominally been a Class A (albeit, like many Canadian Class A's, without protection of their skywave service) for about 20 years (since the Rio treaty, I believe). I had always thought that CFCF's relegation to 600 was the result of the politics of language. Montreal and the Province of Quebec have always been majority Francophone. CFCF broadcast in English. CBF (French) got the plum 690 (full Class IA) assignment in Montreal; CBM (English) got the slightly inferior IB assigmnent on 940. CKAC (French) got the 50-kW DA-1 (initially Class II) assignment on 730; CFCF (English) got what was initially Montreal's best Class III assignment (600, the frequency on which it had operated long before NARBA). In a sense, given the great preponderance of Francophones in the population of Montreal and QC, those assignments still did not provide Francophone/Anglophone parity. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:06 AM Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > When talking about commercial radio at the beginning one has to > include XWA Montreal that started in 1919 and then became CFCF in > 1920. The station was owned by Marconi of Canada for years. They got > shafted in their final dial placement of 600 as CKAC was given the > blowtorch at 730. > > Today the license lives on 940 and for the most part is playing > oldies > that FM stations in Montreal can't (only the CRTC could come up with > that) They tried to be news-talk when they moved to 940 but it > never > caught on as CJAD just owns the market. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 5 07:18:36 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:18:36 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (KDKA) References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com><49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <6E78B60620414F8E8054E5BE0549EC34@SatU205S5044> Thanks. I suspected that tubes existed in 1920, but I wasn't sure. As I said in my post, however, Herrold's accomplishments were all the more remarkable because, in 1909, he broadcast audio over a carrier that, apparently, he generated with a spark gap (and presumably did so because tubes--particularly triodes, which could deliver the needed gain--weren't yet available in 1909). I guess that he might have used a passive L-C filter to narrow the spark-gap spectrum. I'm quite sure that simple inductors and capacitors were known and pretty well understood in 1909, although there weren't nearly as many ways to build them as there are today. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Coco" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" ; "'Scott Fybush'" ; "'Kevin Vahey'" ; Cc: "'(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest'" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: RE: Paul Harvey (KDKA) >I believe vacuum tubes were in full force by 1920. There are some >photos out > there of KDKA's first transmitter > (http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/kdka.html or > http://www.explorepahistory.com/displayimage.php?imgId=5473). The > transmitter, if IIRC, had to be Western Electric because of the > (illegal) > patent agreement between AT&T, General Electric, Westinghouse and > United > Fruit that gave birth to RCA and the acquisition of American > Marconi. > > The Alexanderson Alternator must have been an expensive undertaking > only to > be made obsolete in a very short time. Seems to me some group used > one in > the last year or so to celebrate its anniversary. > > Tim Coco > President & General Manager > WHAV > > 189 Ward Hill Avenue > Ward Hill, MA 01835-6973 > Telephone: (978) 374-2111 > Fax: (978) 521-4636 > www.whav.net > "WHAVR" and "WHAV.NET" are registered service marks. > > > Dan Strassberg wrote: > > But didn't some citizens of San Jose and San Francisco just > celebrate radio > broadcasting's 100th anniversary, based on the 1909 date when "Doc" > Herrold > (I think that was his name) is supposed to have begun his broadcasts > on what > eventually became KQW and then KCBS? Until I did a little googling, > I had > never thought about the technical feats involved in modulating the > output of > a spark-gap transmitter with audio. That, however, is what Herrold > apparently did. If I'm not mistaken, 8XK (KDKA) didn't emerge until > the > technology had evolved to the point where the audio was used to > modulate > sine-wave carriers. > Whether 8XK used vacuum tubes to generate those carriers in 1920 > (did vacuum > tubes even exist yet?) or used an electromechanical device > (something called > an Alexanderson alternator, perhaps), I don't know. > But while nobody can deny that radio was still very much in its > infancy in > 1920, I think you should agree that it had been born more than a > decade > earlier. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Mar 5 09:00:03 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:00:03 -0500 Subject: herald comments Message-ID: <20090305140013.D1862206825@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> A commenter, who will remain nameless, took me to task this morning, questioning my scholarship, my intelligence, and even my sanity regarding the way I was quoted in the Herald today. I replied to him thusly, "I really was taken badly out of context, which is what happens when reporters talk to you for an hour and then use one half of a sentence. My comments were referring to him in 1994, but hey I take my publicity where I can get it!!!" Happy to be in the Herald, love Jess as a person, wish it had been written a little differently, and stand by my assessment of Limbaugh as somebody the right wing can rally around in times of crisis. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 5 09:31:18 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:31:18 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Was CKAC on 730 prior to NARBA (3/31/41)? I doubt it. You could have easily looked up the answer, which is "yes". See , which cites as its source . The full list for Montreal reads: CFCF Montreal 600 500 600 500 CHLP Montreal 1,120 100 1,490 100 CKAC Montreal 730 5,000 730 5,000 CBM Montreal 960 5,000 940 5,000 CBF Montreal 910 50,000 690 50,000 -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 5 10:37:41 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:37:41 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com><1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com><18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com><51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net><49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com><18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> Message-ID: Larry said: > I don't think Huckabee would get cleared on enough stations, I see him as > being too much of a polarizing personality. I don't know about that. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and don't agree with many of Huckabee's stands on things, but I think he has a winsome personality and communicates very well. He would be an able broadcaster --- he is witty, insightful, and can articulate his positions on things in an engaging way without being snarky or nasty (attributes woefully missing in some radio talk show hosts). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Paul Harvey > At 9:22 PM -0500 3/4/09, Mike Ward wrote: >>ABC Radio has Huckabee, as mentioned, but they'll probably keep the PH >>time slot going in the immediate future until a final decision is made. >>The smart money would bet on Gil Gross playing a role in that, sort of a >>caretaker in the near term. > > I don't think Huckabee would get cleared on enough stations, I see him as > being too much of a polarizing personality. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 5 10:12:32 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:12:32 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: This suggests that I am wrong about the 730 Mexican IA channel having been dropped in by NARBA. 730 must have been assigned to Mexico (with use permitted by Canadian Class IIs) before NARBA. Very likely, this is also true of the channels that, with the advent of NARBA, became 900, 1050, and 1220. I should have realized that NARBA could not have been responsible for the Mexican 730 assignment because I know that the 740 Canadian IA channel WAS dropped in by NARBA. Since I was a New Yorker at the time of NARBA, I distinctly remember NARBA moving WJZ (today's WABC) up 10 kc (from 760 to 770), whereas WMCA, WEAF (today's WFAN), and WOR did not move and WABC (today's WCBS) moved by 20 kc (from 860 to 880). But my conclusion about the role of language politics in the assignment of AM channels in Montreal still seems reasonable to me--unless you can point to evidence to the contrary. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > < said: > >> Was CKAC on 730 prior to NARBA (3/31/41)? I doubt it. > > You could have easily looked up the answer, which is "yes". See > , > which cites as its source > . > > The full list for Montreal reads: > > CFCF Montreal 600 500 600 500 > CHLP Montreal 1,120 100 1,490 100 > CKAC Montreal 730 5,000 730 5,000 > CBM Montreal 960 5,000 940 5,000 > CBF Montreal 910 50,000 690 50,000 > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 10:48:24 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:48:24 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> I am sure local politics entered into the equation back then. It appears from research that CKAC had some English programming at the time since it was an affiliate of CBS. There is still no getting around that CFCF was shafted badly. It got worse for CFCF when CJAD came along and was able to carve out a decent pattern even with CKLW 600 miles to the west. I have never been able to pin down how CFRB Toronto lost its clear channel allocation of 860 and wound up on 1010 protecting WINS. CJBC was a secondary CBC affiliate and only went all French in the mid 60's. On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Was CKAC on 730 prior to NARBA (3/31/41)? I doubt it. > > You could have easily looked up the answer, which is "yes". See > , > which cites as its source > . > > The full list for Montreal reads: > > CFCF Montreal 600 500 600 500 > CHLP Montreal 1,120 100 1,490 100 > CKAC Montreal 730 5,000 730 5,000 > CBM Montreal 960 5,000 940 5,000 > CBF Montreal 910 50,000 690 50,000 > > -GAWollman > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 11:01:21 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:01:21 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044><18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7009020F3679485FA0AFDFCD99B0A2B7@fs.uml.edu> There's a bit about the CFRB/CJBC switch on this page: http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/listings_and_histories/radio/histories.ph p?id=398&historyID=180 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:48 AM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Boston Radio Interest; Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? I am sure local politics entered into the equation back then. It appears from research that CKAC had some English programming at the time since it was an affiliate of CBS. There is still no getting around that CFCF was shafted badly. It got worse for CFCF when CJAD came along and was able to carve out a decent pattern even with CKLW 600 miles to the west. I have never been able to pin down how CFRB Toronto lost its clear channel allocation of 860 and wound up on 1010 protecting WINS. CJBC was a secondary CBC affiliate and only went all French in the mid 60's. On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Was CKAC on 730 prior to NARBA (3/31/41)? I doubt it. > > You could have easily looked up the answer, which is "yes". See > , > which cites as its source > . > > The full list for Montreal reads: > > CFCF Montreal 600 500 600 500 > CHLP Montreal 1,120 100 1,490 100 > CKAC Montreal 730 5,000 730 5,000 > CBM Montreal 960 5,000 940 5,000 > CBF Montreal 910 50,000 690 50,000 > > -GAWollman > > From scott@fybush.com Thu Mar 5 11:10:59 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:10:59 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am sure local politics entered into the equation back then. It > appears from research that CKAC had some English programming at the > time since it was an affiliate of CBS. There is still no getting > around that CFCF was shafted badly. It got worse for CFCF when CJAD > came along and was able to carve out a decent pattern even with CKLW > 600 miles to the west. > > I have never been able to pin down how CFRB Toronto lost its clear > channel allocation of 860 and wound up on 1010 protecting WINS. CJBC > was a secondary CBC affiliate and only went all French in the mid > 60's. I'm away from my research material, having spent the week in Lisa's hospital room after her surgery Monday (she's doing great and should be home in a day or two), but here are some thoughts on this thread, in no particular order: It's my understanding that prior to NARBA, Mexico didn't have any channels reserved to it by treaty, hence the border blasters that operated wherever they could squeeze in. I'm pretty sure some of them used non-standard channels - wasn't XER/XERA on 835 or somesuch? Even after NARBA created channels for Mexico - 800, 900, 940, 1570, and I'm sure I'm missing one or two here working from memory - the distance between Canada and Mexico was such that those channels effectively became Canadian clears, too. On to XWA/CFCF: While I respect XWA's claim to a 1919 start date, the evidence I've seen suggests that unlike some of the other pioneers, Marconi in Montreal didn't maintain a continuous schedule from 1919 onward. There were big gaps before regular scheduled service began circa 1922, making it more of an experimental operation than anything else until then. I'm not sure I agree that language politics kept CFCF from becoming a higher-powered signal. As others have noted, CKAC had substantial English-language content (mostly from the US networks) into at least the late 30s. Moreover, it's my understanding that it wasn't until the 1960s that the Francophone political movement had amassed enough power to be able to keep an Anglo station from going high powered. I think two other factors were at play: first, there were political issues surrounding CFCF's foreign (English Marconi) ownership, and second, very few privately-owned Canadian AMs were getting high power prior to the explosion of directional 50 kW signals in the fifties. CKAC, CFRB and CKY in Winnipeg were very much the exceptions on a broadcast scene that found most private stations running no more than 1 or maybe 5 kW. Which brings us to CFRB's situation: the CBC evidently had sufficient political power during the WWII era to be able to take over private high-powered facilities. It happened in Winnipeg, where CKY, with 50 kW on clear-channel 990, ended up in CBC hands as CBW. In Toronto, the CBC had operated CBY as a secondary service, ending up on 1010 after NARBA with relatively low power. Somehow the CBC had the political clout to swap facilities between CBY and privately-owned CFRB, which had been running 10 kW ND on 860 after NARBA. (I think it had been on 960 pre-NARBA; CBL had been on 840 with 50 kW ND.) It may be that the CBC had to pay for the construction of high-powered DA facilities on 1010 for CFRB after the swap; certainly CFRB still has one of the better AM signals in Toronto apart from the 740/860 pair. s From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 3 16:10:17 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:10:17 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney Message-ID: <20090303211018.2E36D47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Vahey" >To: "Garrett Wollman" >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Radio Disney >Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:14:40 -0600 > >I have seen surveys that estimate that 70 percent of cable households >would drop ESPN if a-la-carte became a reality. >Locally it would have a severe impact on NESN as well. CSN is a little >murky given that it is owned by Comcast. >My friends in Montreal enjoy al-la-carte with Videotron where they can >pick 45 channels for $30 and each additional channel is $1. On 3/3/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > This is something that HAS to happen, and soon. People are searching for ways to economize everywhere they can; WTKK's Jim and Marjorie show discussed people who take sugar and condiment packs home from restaurants (for today shouldn't it have been the Jim and Margarine show). Just about everyone who gets basic cable is paying for dozens of channels he or she never watches, even whole tiers of channels. All during the time the Red Sox (and also the Broonz) were on a pay-only channel, I never ordered it, then it was added for JUST a couple of bucks a month. I don't know if NESN is part of the reason for the latest fee boost on Comcast (after deleting two channels I do watch: MSNBC and C-Span2) because the cost of that "service" is bundled into the whole package. Even some sports fans may be find themselves irate at the humongus salaries for guys who play a game for a living while wearing the uniform of a city they care very little about, but the SOURCE of that dough is the money demanded by the rights holders. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From tcoco@cocoboston.com Wed Mar 4 23:12:36 2009 From: tcoco@cocoboston.com (Tim Coco) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:12:36 -0500 Subject: Former WLLH/WCAP Personality Steve Amirault Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <7CE8E84307524F9B867B374D032C8390@Mark> References: <7CE8E84307524F9B867B374D032C8390@Mark> Message-ID: <9E5FDE5532BA44299550874160D89EA0@CEO> We are all in shock and grieving. Steve's last radio job (until the end of 2006) was at WHAV before entering semi-retirement. We placed a photo and small memorial on WHAV's home page and are trying to pull some audio together for a salute this week. Does anyone have any old airchecks with Steve? Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV 189 Ward Hill Avenue Ward Hill, MA 01835-6973 Telephone: (978) 374-2111 Fax: (978) 521-4636 www.whav.net "WHAVR" and "WHAV.NET" are registered service marks. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson [mailto:markwats@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:40 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: Former WLLH/WCAP Personality Steve Amirault Has Passed Away Steve Amirault, former PD of WCAP passed away on Monday at the age of 62. He was the PD when WCAP upgraded to 5KW DA-2 in 1980. Prior to his WCAP gig, he worked at WLLH. Link to his obituary in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune: http://www.legacy.com/eagletribune/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=12 4863320 Mark Watson From tcoco@whav.net Thu Mar 5 00:43:24 2009 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:43:24 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey (KDKA) In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903030827p14a51ef1s1c3cc750c10c4d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0903030838r6726a544gb96c76fb47180073@mail.gmail.com> <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com><49AEAE9E.7000809@fybush.com> Message-ID: I believe vacuum tubes were in full force by 1920. There are some photos out there of KDKA's first transmitter (http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/kdka.html or http://www.explorepahistory.com/displayimage.php?imgId=5473). The transmitter, if IIRC, had to be Western Electric because of the (illegal) patent agreement between AT&T, General Electric, Westinghouse and United Fruit that gave birth to RCA and the acquisition of American Marconi. The Alexanderson Alternator must have been an expensive undertaking only to be made obsolete in a very short time. Seems to me some group used one in the last year or so to celebrate its anniversary. Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV 189 Ward Hill Avenue Ward Hill, MA 01835-6973 Telephone: (978) 374-2111 Fax: (978) 521-4636 www.whav.net "WHAVR" and "WHAV.NET" are registered service marks. Dan Strassberg wrote: But didn't some citizens of San Jose and San Francisco just celebrate radio broadcasting's 100th anniversary, based on the 1909 date when "Doc" Herrold (I think that was his name) is supposed to have begun his broadcasts on what eventually became KQW and then KCBS? Until I did a little googling, I had never thought about the technical feats involved in modulating the output of a spark-gap transmitter with audio. That, however, is what Herrold apparently did. If I'm not mistaken, 8XK (KDKA) didn't emerge until the technology had evolved to the point where the audio was used to modulate sine-wave carriers. Whether 8XK used vacuum tubes to generate those carriers in 1920 (did vacuum tubes even exist yet?) or used an electromechanical device (something called an Alexanderson alternator, perhaps), I don't know. But while nobody can deny that radio was still very much in its infancy in 1920, I think you should agree that it had been born more than a decade earlier. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 11:18:55 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:18:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: herald comments In-Reply-To: <20090305140013.D1862206825@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <636466.12961.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/5/09, Donna Halper wrote: > A commenter, who will remain nameless, took me to task this > morning, questioning my scholarship, my intelligence, and > even my sanity regarding the way I was quoted in the Herald > today. > > I replied to him thusly, "I really was taken badly out > of context, which is what happens when reporters talk to you > for an hour and then use one half of a sentence. My > comments were referring to him in 1994, but hey I take my > publicity where I can get it!!!" Happy to be in the > Herald, love Jess as a person, wish it had been written a > little differently, and stand by my assessment of Limbaugh > as somebody the right wing can rally around in times of > crisis. That's the way I read the comments, too. Why did you feel it was taken out of context? (Here is the article for those who have not read it: http://tinyurl.com/aha7ou. Donna is quoted at the end.) From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 11:24:11 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:24:11 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903050824l6debc81crb963cf0a9ae84919@mail.gmail.com> It is interesting to note that the CBC left CKAC alone but perhaps that is because CBM and CBF were already in place. Montreal was still controlled by Anglophones until the mid 60's when the Quiet Revolution took hold. The Catholic Church until the mid 60's controlled all aspects of Francophone culture and in fact the most popular show on CKAC for decades was the saying of the rosary. We saw something similar in Boston where WHDH curried favor with Cardinal Cushing to broadcast the Mission Church every Wednesday and in fact the Red Sox pushed game times back on Wednesday not to conflict with the hugely popular church broadcast. On 3/5/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I am sure local politics entered into the equation back then. It >> appears from research that CKAC had some English programming at the >> time since it was an affiliate of CBS. There is still no getting >> around that CFCF was shafted badly. It got worse for CFCF when CJAD >> came along and was able to carve out a decent pattern even with CKLW >> 600 miles to the west. >> >> I have never been able to pin down how CFRB Toronto lost its clear >> channel allocation of 860 and wound up on 1010 protecting WINS. CJBC >> was a secondary CBC affiliate and only went all French in the mid >> 60's. > > I'm away from my research material, having spent the week in Lisa's > hospital room after her surgery Monday (she's doing great and should be > home in a day or two), but here are some thoughts on this thread, in no > particular order: > > It's my understanding that prior to NARBA, Mexico didn't have any > channels reserved to it by treaty, hence the border blasters that > operated wherever they could squeeze in. I'm pretty sure some of them > used non-standard channels - wasn't XER/XERA on 835 or somesuch? > > Even after NARBA created channels for Mexico - 800, 900, 940, 1570, and > I'm sure I'm missing one or two here working from memory - the distance > between Canada and Mexico was such that those channels effectively > became Canadian clears, too. > > On to XWA/CFCF: > > While I respect XWA's claim to a 1919 start date, the evidence I've seen > suggests that unlike some of the other pioneers, Marconi in Montreal > didn't maintain a continuous schedule from 1919 onward. There were big > gaps before regular scheduled service began circa 1922, making it more > of an experimental operation than anything else until then. > > I'm not sure I agree that language politics kept CFCF from becoming a > higher-powered signal. As others have noted, CKAC had substantial > English-language content (mostly from the US networks) into at least the > late 30s. Moreover, it's my understanding that it wasn't until the 1960s > that the Francophone political movement had amassed enough power to be > able to keep an Anglo station from going high powered. > > I think two other factors were at play: first, there were political > issues surrounding CFCF's foreign (English Marconi) ownership, and > second, very few privately-owned Canadian AMs were getting high power > prior to the explosion of directional 50 kW signals in the fifties. > > CKAC, CFRB and CKY in Winnipeg were very much the exceptions on a > broadcast scene that found most private stations running no more than 1 > or maybe 5 kW. > > Which brings us to CFRB's situation: the CBC evidently had sufficient > political power during the WWII era to be able to take over private > high-powered facilities. It happened in Winnipeg, where CKY, with 50 kW > on clear-channel 990, ended up in CBC hands as CBW. > > In Toronto, the CBC had operated CBY as a secondary service, ending up > on 1010 after NARBA with relatively low power. Somehow the CBC had the > political clout to swap facilities between CBY and privately-owned CFRB, > which had been running 10 kW ND on 860 after NARBA. (I think it had been > on 960 pre-NARBA; CBL had been on 840 with 50 kW ND.) > > It may be that the CBC had to pay for the construction of high-powered > DA facilities on 1010 for CFRB after the swap; certainly CFRB still has > one of the better AM signals in Toronto apart from the 740/860 pair. > > s > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 11:44:22 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:44:22 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903050824l6debc81crb963cf0a9ae84919@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044><18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com><49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <4fc429770903050824l6debc81crb963cf0a9ae84919@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E5C47CCD04549B2AE96943E3D029917@CurleyJoe> Wasn't it George Carlin who was fired from WEZE for going back to music one day when Cardinal Cushing was running overtime with the daily "Rosary"? I seem to remember him telling that story on a talk show. We saw something similar in Boston where WHDH curried favor with Cardinal Cushing to broadcast the Mission Church every Wednesday and in fact the Red Sox pushed game times back on Wednesday not to conflict with the hugely popular church broadcast. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 5 11:50:47 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:50:47 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18864.743.127754.191240@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Which brings us to CFRB's situation: the CBC evidently had sufficient > political power during the WWII era to be able to take over private > high-powered facilities. It happened in Winnipeg, where CKY, with 50 kW > on clear-channel 990, ended up in CBC hands as CBW. You will recall that, before the CRTC was established (1950s?), the CBC was both the national public broadcaster and also the broadcasting regulator. The relevant Act of Parliament explcitly designated the CBC as the principal broadcast voice of the nation. > In Toronto, the CBC had operated CBY as a secondary service, ending up > on 1010 after NARBA with relatively low power. Somehow the CBC had the > political clout to swap facilities between CBY and privately-owned CFRB, > which had been running 10 kW ND on 860 after NARBA. (I think it had been > on 960 pre-NARBA; CBL had been on 840 with 50 kW ND.) Almost right. Here's the table for Toronto and Hamilton: CBL Toronto 840 50,000 740 50,000 CBY Toronto 1,420 100 1,010 1,000 CFRB Toronto 690 10,000 860 10,000 CKCL Toronto 580 1,000 580 1,000 CKOC Hamilton 1,120 1,000D 1,150 1,000D 500N 500N CHML Hamilton 1,010 100 900 1,000 -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 5 11:54:40 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:54:40 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <1E5C47CCD04549B2AE96943E3D029917@CurleyJoe> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044><18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com><49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <4fc429770903050824l6debc81crb963cf0a9ae84919@mail.gmail.com> <1E5C47CCD04549B2AE96943E3D029917@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <49B003D0.5070000@gmail.com> Jim Hall wrote: > Wasn't it George Carlin who was fired from WEZE for going back to music one > day when Cardinal Cushing was running overtime with the daily "Rosary"? I > seem to remember him telling that story on a talk show. How's that for a string-starter: Legendary radio firing stories. That one's gotta make it into the top 20. One thing that reveals much is when an air personality gets the boot without a g'bye show and doesn't understand why not? Bill O'Neill (Never canned...yet) From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 5 11:57:32 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:57:32 -0500 Subject: Former WLLH/WCAP Personality Steve Amirault Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <9E5FDE5532BA44299550874160D89EA0@CEO> References: <7CE8E84307524F9B867B374D032C8390@Mark> <9E5FDE5532BA44299550874160D89EA0@CEO> Message-ID: <49B0047C.30301@gmail.com> Tim Coco wrote: > We are all in shock and grieving. Steve's last radio job (until the end of > 2006) was at WHAV before entering semi-retirement. We placed a photo and > small memorial on WHAV's home page and are trying to pull some audio > together for a salute this week. Does anyone have any old airchecks with > Steve? > My deepest condolences to Steve's colleagues, friends and family. I joined WCAP with PD Joe Corcoran after Steve had moved on, but I had listened to him often. Bill O'Neill From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Mar 5 12:02:26 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:02:26 -0500 Subject: herald comments In-Reply-To: <636466.12961.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <636466.12961.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49BD0D84-D361-43FC-8780-CAD71570A5DF@mac.com> On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > On Thu, 3/5/09, Donna Halper wrote: >> A commenter, who will remain nameless, took me to task this >> morning, questioning my scholarship, my intelligence, and >> even my sanity regarding the way I was quoted in the Herald >> today. >> >> I replied to him thusly, "I really was taken badly out >> of context, which is what happens when reporters talk to you >> for an hour and then use one half of a sentence. My >> comments were referring to him in 1994, but hey I take my >> publicity where I can get it!!!" > > That's the way I read the comments, too. Why did you feel it was > taken out of context? > > (Here is the article for those who have not read it: http:// > tinyurl.com/aha7ou. Donna is quoted at the end.) I read the original article in the Herald this morning and at first glance I thought Donna's quote didn't make sense. "We took back Congress when Rush stepped up" looks very odd in light of today's history, and in the use of the word "we". But I read it a second time (before seeing any of this conversation) and the meaning was clear: Donna was quoting what a Republican might say about the 1994 elections after Rush Limbaugh emerged as a personality. It could probably have been written better to eliminate that double- take in reading it. But I don't think it misrepresented what Donna was trying to say. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 5 12:26:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:26:14 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> NARBA assigned 730, 800 (I believe), 900, 1050, 1220, and 1570 as Mexican IA channels. 540 was added much later and is, AFAIK, the only one of the Mexican ex-IA channels to which are assigned ex-IA stations in both Mexico and Canada. Trying to trace the situation back to how it was immediately post NARBA has become very difficult because what exists today is quite different. Canada now puts the Class A label on a bunch of stations that really aren't Class As. CKAC is one such. CFRB is another. These stations get no protection to their skywave service and, AFAIK, do not enjoy the CH protection or protection to their 0.1 mV.m groundwave service that are accorded to true Class As. The point that I'm trying to make is that, AFAIK, immediately after NARBA, despite the long distance between the Mexico/US border and the US/Canada border, Canada was allowed only Class II stations on the Mexican IA channels. And the US was allowed only daytimers, except for 1050 in New York and 1220 in Cleveland, which were covered by treaties separate from NARBA. Interestingly, somebody must have been thinking about daytime skywave even back in 1941, because WHN and WGAR were both required by treaty to operate DA-1. In both cases, the distance to the closest point in Mexico was nearly 2000 miles. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Boston Radio Interest" ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > It's my understanding that prior to NARBA, Mexico didn't have any > channels reserved to it by treaty, hence the border blasters that > operated wherever they could squeeze in. I'm pretty sure some of > them used non-standard channels - wasn't XER/XERA on 835 or > somesuch? > > Even after NARBA created channels for Mexico - 800, 900, 940, 1570, > and I'm sure I'm missing one or two here working from memory - the > distance between Canada and Mexico was such that those channels > effectively became Canadian clears, too. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 12:39:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:39:47 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903050939n34997a7eo94966f8edf26e95f@mail.gmail.com> I guess I will never understand why CFRB didn't make a bigger push for the vacated 740 but I do understand CBL had real problems downtown because of the trolley wires. Same applies to CJAD not going for 940 but CIQC and CKVL did promise the moon of they got it. Info690 I guess is doing OK after Corus gutted CKAC but 940News never had a prayer as CJAD and Radio One just dominate. From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Mar 5 11:40:45 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Report: CSB shuts down. Message-ID: <544142.49296.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> CSB School of Broadcasting (nee Connecticut School of Broadcasting) has shut down, per AP: http://www.courant.com/news/education/hcu-ap-csbclose-0304,0,4355424.story With jobs evaporating in the business, is there room for such a trade school anymore? From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 5 14:31:52 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost > defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a Detroit > station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. > Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern > point of Canada? Well, it's certainly well south of all the other Canadian 800s, which gives it a chance to have some east-west components in its night pattern where all the others are oriented north-south (mostly north). -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 14:08:09 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:08:09 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a Detroit station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern point of Canada? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:55:32 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:32 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: References: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903051155j235b9ba2t3374b6cbda2e5da9@mail.gmail.com> I'm not imrpessed with Huckabee at all. I watched him once on Fox News.. not only was he way too soft spoken, I thought he was the biggest brown noser I'd ever seen... kiss the a%s of each of his guests for a good minute or two. He also wasn't very interesting and he just didn't appear to have the right kinda personality for that kinda show. Paul Walker On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > Larry said: > >> I don't think Huckabee would get cleared on enough stations, I see him as >> being too much of a polarizing personality. >> > > I don't know about that. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and don't agree > with many of Huckabee's stands on things, but I think he has a winsome > personality and communicates very well. He would be an able broadcaster --- > he is witty, insightful, and can articulate his positions on things in an > engaging way without being snarky or nasty (attributes woefully missing in > some radio talk show hosts). > > -Doug > > > From billohno@gmail.com Thu Mar 5 17:58:01 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:58:01 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80903051155j235b9ba2t3374b6cbda2e5da9@mail.gmail.com> References: <18862.1975.429731.946548@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A316DC0D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770903040640t5b58d286sd01736ec0c7f70f3@mail.gmail.com> <51E9D569-049D-4721-A388-8B3508E172A1@charter.net> <49AEBBC2.5020008@iname.com> <18863.13195.335823.457558@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49AF3754.9050705@iname.com> <8bce0fe80903051155j235b9ba2t3374b6cbda2e5da9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B058F9.7040108@gmail.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > He also wasn't very interesting and he just didn't appear to have the right > kinda personality for that kinda show. > Interestingly, his numbers kicked off well and have sustained (accd. to reports). Sure, it's hokey, he's hokey, but the Little Rockers band, the studio audience, the two on one he opens with are a decent viewing alternative on a Saturday night. Sadly, the days of Emergency, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, and Carol Burnett are long gone! Bill O' From kwillcox@wnsh.com Thu Mar 5 18:03:13 2009 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:03:13 -0500 Subject: ads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B013E1.25343.C7F6B54@kwillcox.wnsh.com> > claiming that he didn't clearly delineate his commercial copy from > his news-and-comment copy is more evidence that they weren't > listening. > > I dunno, I was fooled by some of the ads for gloves. He would begin the ad as an interesting story, and I would enjoy being fooled by the story turning into an ad. Part of his charm. Keating Willcox WNSH AM 1570 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Mar 5 18:43:04 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:43:04 -0500 Subject: ads In-Reply-To: <49B013E1.25343.C7F6B54@kwillcox.wnsh.com> References: <49B013E1.25343.C7F6B54@kwillcox.wnsh.com> Message-ID: <49B06388.2060305@ttlc.net> Keating Willcox wrote: >> claiming that he didn't clearly delineate his commercial copy from >> his news-and-comment copy is more evidence that they weren't >> listening. >> > I dunno, I was fooled by some of the ads for gloves. He would begin the ad > as an interesting story, and I would enjoy being fooled by the story turning > into an ad. Part of his charm IIRC, Paul Harvey's "even-numbered pages" were commercials. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 18:16:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:16:39 -0600 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode Message-ID: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> NBC Universal told employees at WMAQ Chicago this afternoon that the Jerry Springer Show and Steve will leave Chicago for new NBC studios in Connecticut and Maury will also move to the new studio. Connecticut has a new tax incentive and NBC is going for it and some 200-300 jobs will be created. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Mar 5 19:27:59 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:27:59 -0500 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Connecticut has a new tax incentive and NBC is going for it and some > 200-300 jobs will be created. ITYM "created in Connecticut and lost in Illinois". The /Courant/ reports that they will be moving to the "Rich Forum at the troubled Stamford Center for the Arts". ("Rich" in this case as in Frank Rich.) -GAWollman From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Mar 5 20:48:39 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:48:39 -0500 Subject: Radio Disney In-Reply-To: <20090303211018.2E36D47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090303211018.2E36D47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <5098C27F-C770-427D-88B2-17101E595461@charter.net> On Mar 3, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > This is something that HAS to happen, and soon. People are searching > for ways to economize everywhere they can; WTKK's Jim and Marjorie > show discussed people who take sugar and condiment packs home from > restaurants (for today shouldn't it have been the Jim and Margarine > show). > Just about everyone who gets basic cable is paying for dozens of > channels > he or she never watches, even whole tiers of channels. So if only 25% of cable subscribers take a particular channel, does that mean they have to pay four times as much as the current rate charged? I would expect a large number of cable "networks" would go under with the a-la-carte model. I actually enjoy having a large number of channels available, as sometimes good programs show up on channels I don't usually watch. On the other hand, I would drop "networks" such as the Golf Channel and MTV and whatever one carries racing, in an instant. Plus every home shopping channel. I would not be allowed to cancel the Disney Channel or Nickelodeon. Paul From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Mar 5 23:12:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:12:41 -0600 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode In-Reply-To: <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770903052012q2a53f39bx375d09bdeb4ff746@mail.gmail.com> I think the bottom line in Connecticut does not force unions ( see Bristol, CT ) SportsCenter still has humans running cameras. NABET Chicago is screaming about this but that will go nowhere. Stamford is a studio location for many cable networks (YES, VERSUS and a few others) as it is cheaper to limo talent 40 miles out of Manhattan than deal with the unions. On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Connecticut has a new tax incentive and NBC is going for it and some >> 200-300 jobs will be created. > > ITYM "created in Connecticut and lost in Illinois". > > The /Courant/ reports that they will be moving to the "Rich Forum at > the troubled Stamford Center for the Arts". ("Rich" in this case as > in Frank Rich.) > > -GAWollman > > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Mar 6 03:12:41 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:12:41 EST Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2009 11:17:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >NBC Universal told employees at WMAQ Chicago this afternoon that the >Jerry Springer Show and Steve will leave Chicago for new NBC studios >in Connecticut and Maury will also move to the new studio. >Connecticut has a new tax incentive and NBC is going for it and some >200-300 jobs will be created. Ascent Media has a huge studio right on Shippan Point that would be great for both shows. They are the old Satellite News Channel studios. It was a great place to work! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M9Lr_SyGGo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M9Lr_SyGGo) It still looks about the same. Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Mar 6 08:35:29 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:35:29 -0500 Subject: ads In-Reply-To: <49B06388.2060305@ttlc.net> References: <49B013E1.25343.C7F6B54@kwillcox.wnsh.com> <49B06388.2060305@ttlc.net> Message-ID: The beginning of page two would be his live read, then he would continue with his news commentary. When he said "page three," it was the cue for local stations to take their sixty second break. He would come back with more content after that, then there would be another live read at the beginning of page four. Basically, the beginning of each page, except page one, was a commercial. When I programmed WLIS/Old Saybrook in the early '90's, that sixty second local break on Harvey's fifteen minute newscast was the highest priced spot/sponsorship on the rate card.... -Dave Tomm On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Keating Willcox wrote: >>> claiming that he didn't clearly delineate his commercial copy from >>> his news-and-comment copy is more evidence that they weren't >>> listening. >>> >> I dunno, I was fooled by some of the ads for gloves. He would begin >> the ad as an interesting story, and I would enjoy being fooled by >> the story turning into an ad. Part of his charm > IIRC, Paul Harvey's "even-numbered pages" were commercials. From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 11:00:08 2009 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:00:08 -0500 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode Message-ID: <034701c99e74$ab9148b0$02b3da10$@net> This won't be the first time that daily syndicated shows have been produced in Connecticut. Sally Jessy Raphael did her show at WTNH in New Haven for a few years in the 80s. WTNH's building was brand new at that point. Gayle King, Oprah's best friend, had a short-lived show that was done at WFSB in Hartford. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 6 11:03:30 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:03:30 -0500 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Are you sure you mean FRANK Rich, the NYTimes editorial columnist, and not now-defrocked financier and philanthropist MARC Rich? Why would a performance venue be named after a still-living columnist, albeit one who, in a previous job, was a movie or theater critic (also for the Times)? And yes, I'm aware that there is a theater near Times Sq that was named for a Herald-Tribune or Times theater or movie critic (can't remember his name), but wasn't that theater renamed in his honor after he died? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode > > The /Courant/ reports that they will be moving to the "Rich Forum at > the troubled Stamford Center for the Arts". ("Rich" in this case as > in Frank Rich.) > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 11:32:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:32:47 -0600 Subject: WBZ thinks it is Thursday Message-ID: <4fc429770903060832q5f63066fof8be712f58846687@mail.gmail.com> Not once but at least twice on Friday morning, WBZ played Walt Perkins doing yesterdays sports saying the Bruins play Phoenix tonight at the Garden. Ummm no Walt that was last night. I can see it happening once by accident..but TWICE? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Mar 6 11:57:18 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:57:18 -0500 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18865.21998.950048.534451@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Are you sure you mean FRANK Rich, the NYTimes editorial columnist, and > not now-defrocked financier and philanthropist MARC Rich? No, I am sure I mean Frank D. Rich, Jr., the late Stamford real-estate developer. No relation, so far as I can tell, to Frank H. Rich, Jr., the NYT columnist. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Fri Mar 6 12:01:43 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:01:43 -0500 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A321A872@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>And yes, I'm aware that there is a theater near Times Sq that was named for a Herald-Tribune or Times theater or movie critic (can't remember his name), but wasn't that theater renamed in his honor after he died?<< Brooks Atkinson, and yes, it was named for him after he died. New York doesn't really hew to that "rule" too carefully, however, as they renamed New York Municipal Airport in 1947 for former Mayor LaGuardia, shortly before he died. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 12:18:18 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:18:18 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also did well in Buffalo. Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New England. A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was about as perfect as you could get. On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost >> defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a Detroit >> station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. > >> Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern >> point of Canada? > > Well, it's certainly well south of all the other Canadian 800s, which > gives it a chance to have some east-west components in its night > pattern where all the others are oriented north-south (mostly north). > > -GAWollman > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 6 12:58:06 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:58:06 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044><18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com><49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com><39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044><4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com><18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be interesting to know CKLW's NIF value. I suspect it is not as low as you think. Between PJB and XELO (at least those were the two call signs decades ago), there was a lot of QRM on 800. Neither of those stations may have been very strong in New England, but southwest of Windsor, their skywaves were pretty strong. Also, CKLW is nulled in that direction at night and I've heard that it is largely inaudible in Illinois at night. As for how CJAD was shoehorned onto 800, it was possible because there was an 800 in Quebec City (CHRC?) that CKLW had to protect. As a result, as you swung (and as you swing--CKLW's pattern has not changed) northward from Boston, CKLW dropped off fairly rapidly. If you look at CKLW's and CJAD's night patterns, they are rather similar. Both are kind of L shaped with major lobes to the north (northwest for CJAD; northeast for CKLW) and substantial lobes to the east. Forgetting for the moment that CKLW is 50 kW-U but CJAD is 10 kW at night, CKLW has the stronger eastern lobe. Another interesting characteristic of CJAD is that despite its use of very tall towers (195 degrees; unusual in Canada, where short AM towers are quite common), its pattern RMSs are mediocre (~355 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, whereas, you'd expect something close to 400). It should be possible to achieve those RMS values with towers about 100' shorter than the ones CJAD uses. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not > only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also > did > well in Buffalo. > > Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New > England. > A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was > about as perfect as you could get. > > On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> <> said: >> >>> I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost >>> defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a >>> Detroit >>> station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. >> >>> Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern >>> point of Canada? >> >> Well, it's certainly well south of all the other Canadian 800s, >> which >> gives it a chance to have some east-west components in its night >> pattern where all the others are oriented north-south (mostly >> north). >> >> -GAWollman >> >> From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 12:58:57 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:58:57 -0600 Subject: paternity tests business in Ct will explode In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A321A872@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770903051516h15120300h100ce55d6f01e411@mail.gmail.com> <18864.28175.628485.64060@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A321A872@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903060958t57aa8697m4be1c303e2368503@mail.gmail.com> Helen Hayes had 2 theaters named for her while still alive. The first one was demolished to make room for the Marriott in Timesd Sq so the Little Theater was renamed for her. ABC and Westinghouse used the Little Theater for shows starring Dick Clark, Johnny Carson, Merv Griffin and David Frost. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 13:09:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:33 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903061009l6a60a3f1ge25239d63af4ff18@mail.gmail.com> CKLW makes it across Lake Michigan by day and is almost as strong as WJR but at night the signal dies around Kalamazoo. At night CKLW remains strong on the 401 through London but by Waterloo CJAD kicks in. On 3/6/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > It would be interesting to know CKLW's NIF value. I suspect it is not > as low as you think. Between PJB and XELO (at least those were the two > call signs decades ago), there was a lot of QRM on 800. Neither of > those stations may have been very strong in New England, but southwest > of Windsor, their skywaves were pretty strong. Also, CKLW is nulled in > that direction at night and I've heard that it is largely inaudible in > Illinois at night. As for how CJAD was shoehorned onto 800, it was > possible because there was an 800 in Quebec City (CHRC?) that CKLW had > to protect. As a result, as you swung (and as you swing--CKLW's > pattern has not changed) northward from Boston, CKLW dropped off > fairly rapidly. If you look at CKLW's and CJAD's night patterns, they > are rather similar. Both are kind of L shaped with major lobes to the > north (northwest for CJAD; northeast for CKLW) and substantial lobes > to the east. Forgetting for the moment that CKLW is 50 kW-U but CJAD > is 10 kW at night, CKLW has the stronger eastern lobe. Another > interesting characteristic of CJAD is that despite its use of very > tall towers (195 degrees; unusual in Canada, where short AM towers are > quite common), its pattern RMSs are mediocre (~355 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, > whereas, you'd expect something close to 400). It should be possible > to achieve those RMS values with towers about 100' shorter than the > ones CJAD uses. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > > >> CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not >> only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also >> did >> well in Buffalo. >> >> Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New >> England. >> A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was >> about as perfect as you could get. >> >> On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>> <>> said: >>> >>>> I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost >>>> defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a >>>> Detroit >>>> station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. >>> >>>> Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern >>>> point of Canada? >>> >>> Well, it's certainly well south of all the other Canadian 800s, >>> which >>> gives it a chance to have some east-west components in its night >>> pattern where all the others are oriented north-south (mostly >>> north). >>> >>> -GAWollman >>> >>> > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Mar 6 13:28:12 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:28:12 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com><0A5887C132604507891769A861448769@SatU205S5044><18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com><49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com><39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044><4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com><18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17C8396DCE244C529ED5AED431EB5D88@DougDrown> Here in north central Maine, I live almost exactly equidistant from Montreal and Boston (Montreal to the west/northwest, Boston to the south). CJAD comes in here during the day, but not well; too many mountains in the way, I suppose, as well as interference from CHRC. CJAD's signal can be heard much better south of here, especially in the Augusta-Lewiston area, where it comes in really quite clearly. At night, CKLW dominates, hands wn. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > It would be interesting to know CKLW's NIF value. I suspect it is not > as low as you think. Between PJB and XELO (at least those were the two > call signs decades ago), there was a lot of QRM on 800. Neither of > those stations may have been very strong in New England, but southwest > of Windsor, their skywaves were pretty strong. Also, CKLW is nulled in > that direction at night and I've heard that it is largely inaudible in > Illinois at night. As for how CJAD was shoehorned onto 800, it was > possible because there was an 800 in Quebec City (CHRC?) that CKLW had > to protect. As a result, as you swung (and as you swing--CKLW's > pattern has not changed) northward from Boston, CKLW dropped off > fairly rapidly. If you look at CKLW's and CJAD's night patterns, they > are rather similar. Both are kind of L shaped with major lobes to the > north (northwest for CJAD; northeast for CKLW) and substantial lobes > to the east. Forgetting for the moment that CKLW is 50 kW-U but CJAD > is 10 kW at night, CKLW has the stronger eastern lobe. Another > interesting characteristic of CJAD is that despite its use of very > tall towers (195 degrees; unusual in Canada, where short AM towers are > quite common), its pattern RMSs are mediocre (~355 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, > whereas, you'd expect something close to 400). It should be possible > to achieve those RMS values with towers about 100' shorter than the > ones CJAD uses. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? > > >> CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not >> only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also >> did >> well in Buffalo. >> >> Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New >> England. >> A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was >> about as perfect as you could get. >> >> On 3/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>> <>> said: >>> >>>> I would love to know how CKLW 800 Windsor wound up with an almost >>>> defacto clear channel. For most of its history it acted as a >>>> Detroit >>>> station until the CRTC clamped down with CANCON. >>> >>>> Can it be traced to the fact that Windsor was in the most southern >>>> point of Canada? >>> >>> Well, it's certainly well south of all the other Canadian 800s, >>> which >>> gives it a chance to have some east-west components in its night >>> pattern where all the others are oriented north-south (mostly >>> north). >>> >>> -GAWollman >>> >>> > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Mar 5 17:28:08 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:28:08 -0500 Subject: WNEU-TV Analog Gone? Message-ID: <20090305222809.081EE326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> I did a quick check of the DTV signals on my D-to-A box this morning (Thursday) primarily to see if WFXT-DT channel 31 was running at increased power; then I turned off the box, and flipped to channel 60 to see if they were still in "night-light" mode. It appears that WNEU-TV is gone, or perhaps running its message loop at reduced power because that channel was vacant. Someone who lives closer to Uncanoonuk Mountain may be able to tell whether channel 60 is absolutely dead, or emitting a far weaker signal. As for WFXT-DT, I have NEVER gotten a pixel of a signal from them (or WLVI-DT 41 either.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From mrschuyler@aol.com Fri Mar 6 08:15:41 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:15:41 -0500 Subject: Report: CSB shuts down Message-ID: <8CB6C74C8C625C1-760-2BC4@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> "The Connecticut School of Broadcasting: Where You Can Learn to BE a Disc Jockey, or Just LOOK Like One." Trade schools will always be with us, and with our current economic woes one hopes their recruitment ads accurately reflect the job prospects in the fields they promote.?I feel that was not the case with CSB, not for a very long time. "New jobs are opening up every day," CSB's ads used to shout.?They didn't tell you those openings were mostly because of turn-over, and after Telecom '96, new jobs were being ELIMINATED every day. The current crop of CSB students found out before the end of the 16-week course that the school had "gone dark."?That's after plunking down $12,000 for tuition, the rough equivalent of their first year's salary if they actually were hired somewhere. A school like CSB might be useful today for someone interested in video production, but the skills you need for modern radio can be acquired right in front of you, for free or nearly so, by downloading the right software.?Color me cranky, but I remember when computers worked for us rather than the other way around.?Sadly, I also remember when radio was a hands-on human activity. ---jim schuyler four years of college for THIS? From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Fri Mar 6 10:23:49 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:23:49 -0500 Subject: More on CSB-One School May Reopen Message-ID: <716683B14E4A409988B62EF1B21C1335@teddesktop> This is the latest I could find. I must say founder Dick Robinson has an interesting life. >From todays "Hartford Courant" http://www.courant.com/news/education/hc-csbclosing0306.artmar06,0,7781846.story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_School_of_Broadcasting About Dick. http://www.yachtamusic.com/about.html Ted Larsen tlmedia@triad.rr.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 14:20:59 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:20:59 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <17C8396DCE244C529ED5AED431EB5D88@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <18863.57910.742988.611017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903050748p5d6b246bp7f880493863b0d97@mail.gmail.com> <49AFF993.6050404@fybush.com> <39335492AFCF4B80A169B1850D138B19@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770903051108q318a5d44oa5ebd908cb213222@mail.gmail.com> <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> <17C8396DCE244C529ED5AED431EB5D88@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770903061120y5f7a9c64id4c03c7e38acd55b@mail.gmail.com> I have a hunch but I can't confirm it on the CRTC website that CJAD stays on daytime power until local sunset in Windsor. A few years back when the Spinners were on WCCM-800 you could not even hear the game clearly at the park as CJAD was the stronger signal. Then around 9:30 CJAD would vanish which would be roughly the time of sunset in the summer in Detroit. I don't think CJAD was guilty of forgetting to power down as it was the same night after night. The worst offender in Montreal of not going to night pattern was the old CKVL which just destroyed WEEI. From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Mar 6 14:03:30 2009 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:30 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? Message-ID: <8CB6CA55F820360-11A4-DF@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com> Here about 15 miles northwest of Boston (4 miles from Route 128), CKLW is what's normally heard at night on 800 with Lawrence's (actually Andover's) WNNW nulled. Listening sessions I've done over at the shore in Rockport, MA have 800 typically a mix of PJB, VOWR, and CJAD. Sometimes it's a dogpile, other times one of these three is reasonably dominant. In the background, WNNW, CKLW, and CHRC are sometimes noted. The stored SDR-IQ spectrum captures I've made there are quite interesting with regards to the cast of characters on 800. Often there's a prominent 1 kHz beat note from Spain (801). Much different from at home. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Here in north central Maine, I live almost exactly equidistant from Montreal and Boston (Montreal to the west/northwest, Boston to the south). CJAD comes in here during the day, but not well; too many mountains in the way, I suppose, as well as interference from CHRC. CJAD's signal can be heard much better south of here, especially in the Augusta-Lewiston area, where it comes in really quite clearly. At night, CKLW dominates, hands down. -Doug >> From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 14:37:11 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:37:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: WNEU-TV Analog Gone? Message-ID: <63661.60759.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm a slingshot distance from Uncanoonuc, a little further than a stones throw. ? Re: WNEU, no more nightlight mode, no weak signal, nothing.? They are totally gone from analog. My wife pointed it out Wednesday when I got home. ? John B ? From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Mar 6 14:57:54 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:57:54 -0500 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com>, <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B139F2.23440.528500@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Mar 2009 Kevin Vahey wrote: > CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not > only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also did > well in Buffalo. > > Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New England. > A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was > about as perfect as you could get. Why are you using the past tense? Are they no longer a strong skywave signal in New England? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 6 15:08:45 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:08:45 -0600 Subject: so where does XWA Montreal fit into it? In-Reply-To: <49B139F2.23440.528500@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770903042206l15ef966bw70cfc80f15929f07@mail.gmail.com> <18864.10408.598597.431361@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770903060918x56a5341bsa81f7746be956abb@mail.gmail.com> <49B139F2.23440.528500@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903061208k1a3b9b6bnf1b6b36ca54dab3d@mail.gmail.com> They are still a presence but like many AM stations the signal has degraded over the years for a variety of reasons. Another example is AM 1000 out of Chicago. In the WCFL days they blasted into New England, today as WMVP not as much. On 3/6/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 6 Mar 2009 Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> CKLW's daytime signal is simply astonishing. In the Big 8 years not >> only did it rule Detroit but was also #1 in Cleveland and it also did >> well in Buffalo. >> >> Nights they were one of the strongest skywave signals in New England. >> A tip of the hat to the person who designed the pattern as it was >> about as perfect as you could get. > > Why are you using the past tense? Are they no longer a strong > skywave signal in New England? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From billohno@gmail.com Fri Mar 6 15:48:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:48:19 -0500 Subject: VPR budget impact Message-ID: <49B18C13.3080808@gmail.com> Here's a Rutland Herald article http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20090301/NEWS04/903010384 on the economic impact on VPR. Revising budget down 11%, execs taking a 7.5% paycut and staffers a 2% cut. The March 10th pledge drive will be a good indicator of giving impact. Article says NHPR in a similar boat, as is NPR. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Fri Mar 6 16:33:38 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:33:38 -0500 Subject: WKLB-FM To Cedar St. For Good? Message-ID: <20090306213338.75BB81BF287@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> When WKLB-FM moved from 99.5 transmitting from West Andover to 102.5, they also inherited the antenna utilized by WCRB when the latter was evicted from the WBZ-TV tower on Cedar Street in Needham,MA. This was done so CBS could build out the new DTV facilities for all the TV stations there. Recently, a new FM antenna has appeared on the Cedar Street tower, a bit below the analog TV antennas. First, WKLB applied for an auxiliary license there with about 12KW at 905 feet. Now, in today's (Friday 03/06) FCC Applications, it looks as though they want to make this location the site of their main antenna, with 14KW at 905 feet. I assume the Route 128 tower will be the home of their auxiliary antenna. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From mrschuyler@aol.com Fri Mar 6 16:35:11 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:35:11 -0500 Subject: Fitchburg: 1280 Tax Trouble? Message-ID: <8CB6CBA9058250C-FC0-1C66@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> I spotted something in the local paper that has me worried about AM 1280 the Blend, a/k/a WEIM. Page 19 of the Friday, March 6 Sentinel & Enterprise is entirely given over to a list of properties which the Cty of Fitchburg's tax collector intends to take back because of taxes owed.?Among them: the studio location and the transmitter site for WEIM. According to the Public Notice, William J. Macek (a/k/a Bill Marshall, IIRC),?as trustee of Rosewood Realty Trust, owes $1,216.13 for the cramped studio building, which sits on 0.165 acres at 762 Water Street across from the Salvation Army, for Fiscal Year 2008.? Additionally, $6,003.09 is owed for the same period on the nearly 24 acre transmitter site up on Alpine Road. Oddly, WEIM is one of the few AM stations around which doesn't tax my ears or patience. ---jim schuyler pop culture vulture From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Mar 6 23:47:58 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:47:58 -0500 Subject: Fitchburg: 1280 Tax Trouble? References: <8CB6CBA9058250C-FC0-1C66@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1D927983ED174973A09D22BCDCAD6E49@DougDrown> I'd hate to see WEIM's properties seized. I'm with you --- it's one of the most "listenable" stations around, and has a great history of engagement with the communities of its listening area. I suppose small radio stations (heck, some big ones too) are hurting financially in the current climate, but are things that bad for The Blend? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Fitchburg: 1280 Tax Trouble? >I spotted something in the local paper that has me worried about AM 1280 >the Blend, a/k/a WEIM. Page 19 of the Friday, March 6 Sentinel & Enterprise >is entirely given over to a list of properties which the Cty of Fitchburg's >tax collector intends to take back because of taxes owed.?Among them: the >studio location and the transmitter site for WEIM. > > According to the Public Notice, William J. Macek (a/k/a Bill Marshall, > IIRC),?as trustee of Rosewood Realty Trust, owes $1,216.13 for the cramped > studio building, which sits on 0.165 acres at 762 Water Street across from > the Salvation Army, for Fiscal Year 2008.? Additionally, $6,003.09 is owed > for the same period on the nearly 24 acre transmitter site up on Alpine > Road. > > Oddly, WEIM is one of the few AM stations around which doesn't tax my ears > or patience. > > ---jim schuyler > pop culture vulture > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Mar 7 02:41:51 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:41:51 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh controversy good for his ratings, and ALL talk radio Message-ID: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> TALKERS magazine reports that what with the Rush Limbaugh controversy, his ratings have skyrocketed from 14 to 25 million listeners. It could be just a temporary bump, with people checking him out, out of curiosity, and TALKERS' Michael Harrison does admit talk radio listenership can be fluid of course. But the attacks on Limbaugh's "I want Obama to fail" position could well result in new listeners to political talk radio of any kind. (Add to that the frustration factor in the economy, the "winds of change", and so on. Which is fine by me. A rising tide lifts all boats. May talk radio attract new listeners, some of whom will actually stick around, and the sponsors have to be happy, too. http://talkers.com/online From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 7 02:59:50 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:59:50 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh controversy good for his ratings, and ALL talk radio In-Reply-To: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090307080003.A8B4F1E3373@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 02:41 AM 3/7/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >TALKERS magazine reports that what with the Rush Limbaugh >controversy, his ratings have skyrocketed >from 14 to 25 million listeners. It could be just a temporary bump, >with people checking him out, out >of curiosity, [snip] Or it could be a total exaggeration of how many listeners he has. I don't know of anyone, including Rush himself at the very height of his success, who has 25 million listeners. Even when he was the biggest ever, the most he had (according to Arbitron figures) was about 20 million, if I recall. So while he may indeed have gotten a bump, he also may be doing just a tiny bit of spin-- as any good talk show host will... From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Mar 7 08:16:20 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:16:20 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh controversy good for his ratings, and ALL talk radio In-Reply-To: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > TALKERS magazine reports that what with the Rush Limbaugh > controversy, his ratings have skyrocketed > from 14 to 25 million listeners. It could be just a temporary bump, > with people checking him out, out > of curiosity, and TALKERS' Michael Harrison does admit talk radio > listenership can be fluid of > course. But the attacks on Limbaugh's "I want Obama to fail" > position could well result in > new listeners to political talk radio of any kind. The most recent full ratings period ended December 8 in most markets, when Obama wasn't even President yet. The most recent monthly PPM report ended February 4, the same time as Arbitrends Phase 1 of the Winter book. That's over a month ago and long before Rush was anointed as Minority Speaker. How can anyone make a blanket estimate of radio audience the entire country based on that kind of data? Some people are not letting facts get in the way of a good story. But, since the quote has appeared from an industry expert speaking to the Washington Post, it will be repeated as gospel truth. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 7 10:48:15 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:48:15 -0500 Subject: Fitchburg: 1280 Tax Trouble? References: <8CB6CBA9058250C-FC0-1C66@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <33AC3DC7442C44448B44632EEBBA7A70@Mark> Jim Schuyler wrote: > According to the Public Notice, William J. Macek (a/k/a Bill Marshall, > IIRC),?as trustee of Rosewood Realty Trust, owes $1,216.13 for the cramped > studio building, which sits on 0.165 acres at 762 Water Street across from > the Salvation Army, for Fiscal Year 2008. William Macek used the name "Bill Maxwell" when he worked at WLLH back in the 70's. Mark Watson From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 7 10:54:12 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:54:12 -0500 Subject: Limbaugh controversy good for his ratings, and ALL talk radio In-Reply-To: <20090307080003.A8B4F1E3373@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090307074151.8A77C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090307080003.A8B4F1E3373@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: At 2:59 AM -0500 3/7/09, Donna Halper wrote: >At 02:41 AM 3/7/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >>TALKERS magazine reports that what with the Rush Limbaugh >>controversy, his ratings have skyrocketed >>from 14 to 25 million listeners. It could be just a temporary bump, >>with people checking him out, out >>of curiosity, [snip] > >Or it could be a total exaggeration of how many listeners he has. I >don't know of anyone, including Rush himself at the very height of >his success, who has 25 million listeners. Even when he was the >biggest ever, the most he had (according to Arbitron figures) was >about 20 million, if I recall. So while he may indeed have gotten a >bump, he also may be doing just a tiny bit of spin-- as any good >talk show host will... And I don't see anything saying if this number is his average quarter-hour listenership, or his weekly cume. These are obviously very different things. And of course, since this has been going on for less than a week, would a weekly cume mean anything anyway? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Mar 7 16:19:45 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:19:45 -0500 Subject: Washington Post - take 2 on Rush ratings Message-ID: <108622018422465303916850858354048362437-Webmail@me.com> Interesting development in today's Washington Post: a lengthy article on Arbitron ratings and how impossible it is to back up claims for national talk show hosts and their audiences. Michael Harrison ("Talkers" Magazine) was interviewed further and stood by his "guess" of 14 million Rush listeners. Then, he defended his "estimate" of 25 million listeners after the Rush news this week, "based on his discussions with program directors around the country." That's a great source for accuracy! Then he goes on. "It's what we're hearing, based on the e-mails, the calls, all the buzz this controversy is generating. We put a little bit of our interpretation on it, added it all up, and that puts you in the ballpark." So this 25 million audience figure, an astounding growth of 78% that's bound to be quoted as "according to the Washington Post" is actually based on one guy's assessment of "buzz." By the way, WRKO's January 2009 PPM 25-54 midday numbers are exactly the same as the Fall 2008 book, which are down 10% from one year before that. I know better than to try to extrapolate national numbers out of that, but there's certainly no evidence there of buzz for Rush. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Mar 8 09:24:07 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:24:07 -0500 Subject: Rush, ratings, popularity, and estimates Message-ID: <20090308132407.97D8B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I won't link to any blogs or anything but each political side is making hay on whether or not Rush got a big ratings boost. Michael Harrison of Talkers had to defend his statement about Rush getting a big bump in the... nope, not ratings, _estimates_. Harrison said in a Washington Post article that they were indeed estimates and that Talkers is not in the business of pushing ratings for anybody (that, I will link) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030603435.html The article says it's tough to estimate actual ratings, and Harrison himself declares the state of radio ratings as "embarrassing" and he adds his "estimate" was also based on talking to radio program directors around the country. But what I was saying that in the past week he no doubt did get a big bump in listenership due to the controversy, and that one would hope that it would attract more listeners to talk radio of any political stripe (or even non-political for that matter). Good news, given the economy and the state of _all_ radio. Even if in the short term... I remember during the first Gulf War there was supposedly a spike in the sales of shortwave radios since more people were interested in what was going on overseas. Talk radio may also have gotten more listeners. The same (re: talk radio) happened after 9/11, when a lot of new listeners 'discovered' talk (one host, Sean Hannity, actually began his national show on 9/10/01 and no doubt was strong right out of the box due to interest in the subject. WRKO picked him up in Nov. of that year, I recall.) But the Rush incident, if indeed he did pick up a lot of listeners last week, is also a sign of what happens when some people tell you NOT to check something out, and yet many people do out of curiosity. It happened when some controversial songs came out, and younger listeners flocked to the forbidden fruit. I also remember when a movie based on the book The Last Temptation of Christ came out; the Scorcese flick may have not done much in the box office but then may have gotten an unexpected boost when some religious leaders condemned it. Who knows, though. But even if Rush's bump in the ... "estimates"... is just temporary, I note that he is making $50 million a year under his current contract (significantly more than the President. We'll find out in 2012 if the President's contract also extends to an eight year period.) Rush's doing quite well in that department at least. We'll see if talk radio overall gets a bump, too, with all this controversy. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 8 21:41:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:41:13 -0500 Subject: Washington Post - take 2 on Rush ratings In-Reply-To: <108622018422465303916850858354048362437-Webmail@me.com> References: <108622018422465303916850858354048362437-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <49B42D69.28465.2D6EAD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Mar 2009 at 16:19, Mark Laurence wrote: > Interesting development in today's Washington Post: a lengthy article > on Arbitron ratings and how impossible it is to back up claims for > national talk show hosts and their audiences. Michael Harrison > ("Talkers" Magazine) was interviewed further and stood by his "guess" > of 14 million Rush listeners. Then, he defended his "estimate" of 25 > million listeners after the Rush news this week, "based on his > discussions with program directors around the country." That's a > great source for accuracy! There was someone on Keith Olberman's program a few days ago who said that with the differences in the way Arbitron does radio ratings and Neilson does TV ratings, he figured Rush's audience was more like 1.4 million in TV terms. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Mar 8 22:34:50 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:34:50 -0400 Subject: Washington Post - take 2 on Rush ratings In-Reply-To: <49B42D69.28465.2D6EAD@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <108622018422465303916850858354048362437-Webmail@me.com> <49B42D69.28465.2D6EAD@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49B4804A.7080701@gabrielmass.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > There was someone on Keith Olberman's program a few days ago who said > that with the differences in the way Arbitron does radio ratings and > Neilson does TV ratings, he figured Rush's audience was more like 1.4 > million in TV terms. > What's the difference? The measurement in terms of quarter-hours? -- --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 9 17:55:23 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:55:23 -0400 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow Message-ID: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Given the erroneous posting that "Rachel Maddow's show is tanking," I wanted to call list-members' attention to a long and very interesting piece about her in Variety. 6 March 2009 Maddow's unique style spikes ratings: Smarts, smile fuel MSNBC host's rapid rise By Ted Johnson If there was any doubt about MSNBC's faith in Rachel Maddow, look where they sent her in the past few weeks: She guested on Jay Leno and visited the ladies at "The View." And when Keith Olbermann was anchoring MSNBC's coverage of President Obama's first speech before Congress, she was the first analyst he called upon for reaction -- a plum position that in the past may have gone to Tim Russert. After struggling for years to fill the prime 9 p.m. slot -- with personalities as disparate as Rita Cosby to Dan Abrams -- the network has landed a solid performer in Maddow. Her ratings are a vast improvement over what has been there recently, and she has helped erase doubts the network could carry over sizable audiences from the record heights of the campaign season. [rest of article is here: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118000926.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&query=rachel+maddow ] From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 9 18:16:51 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:16:51 -0400 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow In-Reply-To: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Given the erroneous posting that "Rachel Maddow's show is tanking," I > wanted to call list-members' attention to a long and very interesting > piece about her in Variety. I'm as big a Rachel Maddow booster as anyone - indeed, I find her show more enjoyable than Olbermann's much of the time - but the raw viewer numbers, at least, are not kind to the MSNBC lineup and haven't been for a couple of months now. TVNewser.com updates them daily, using the most optimistic set of figures it can - viewers in the "prime" 25-54 demo, and including same-day DVR viewing - and while all of the cable "news" networks have lost some audience from the peaks they posted just before the election, MSNBC has fallen off much more significantly than Fox. For instance, last Friday night, O'Reilly pulled 676,000 viewers in "the demo," against 278,000 for Olbermann. At 9 PM, it was 598,000 for Hannity versus 187,000 for Rachel. The total-viewership numbers are even uglier - 3.486 million vs. 1.081 million at 8 PM, and 2.677 million vs. 933,000 at 9 PM. I think there are some pretty logical explanations for all of this - the O'Reilly/Hannity partisans, being in the opposition at the moment, have much more to be worked up about right now than do the Olbermann/Maddow partisans, for much the same reason that Rush is getting so much attention. No doubt the rapid rise in viewership for MSNBC leading up the election was bound to fall off pretty quickly afterward, too. And if the salespeople at MSNBC are any good, I'm sure they can spin interesting narratives comparing their viewers' income levels and such to those of Fox News viewers. All of which is to say that "third place" doesn't automatically equal "tanking" - if, as I suspect, Maddow is bringing eyeballs to cable news that wouldn't be there otherwise, there may still be value there, even if the raw numbers don't add up to what Fox or even CNN draw in the same time period. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Mar 9 18:57:24 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:57:24 -0400 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow In-Reply-To: <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> References: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> Message-ID: I wonder how many cable companies besides Comcast moved MSNBC from the analog tier to the digital tier. MSNBC was on Channel 53 in most MA Comcast towns, but was moved to Channel 251 last year (my own town has MSNBC on both channels, but my mother's town closer to Boston lost it on 53 and only has it on 251). FNC and CNN and CNN-HN remained where they were: it was only MSNBC of the news channels that was moved. It would be interesting to know if any drop in ratings coincided with the channel being moved. There seems to be very little organization in the digital channels: you'll have a sports channel next to a religious channel, next to a shopping channel, next to an entertainment channel, so it's very easy for a channel to get "lost." From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Mar 9 19:28:02 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:28:02 -0400 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow In-Reply-To: References: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> Message-ID: <46C0366B-23B4-4722-87A6-5D2857EAABCE@charter.net> That is not the case here in Worcester County with Charter Cable. All the cable news channels are grouped back to back, for the most part. CNN on 41, HLN on 42, MSNBC on 43, CNBC on 44, Faux News on 45 and NECN on 46. The only quasi-news channel banished to the digital tier is ABC News Now, which is just gosh awful. And it's not just news. The basic cable kids channels are together, and the same goes for the kids channels on the digital tier. It works the same for sports as well. The outlets that tend to be spread around are the general interest channels, like TBS, TNT, Discovery, FX, Lifetime, Bravo, TLC, Style and such. Even the Spanish language, religious and shopping channels are pretty much all grouped together on one stretch of channels that can be easily avoided. I'm not the biggest Charter fan, but it's a huge improvement over Comcast. When I lived out toward 128 in Comcast country it was as you described. As a viewer it was frustrating to navigate and I could easily see channels getting "lost" with them. I would think that could be affecting viewership of MSNBC. -Dave Tomm On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > I wonder how many cable companies besides Comcast moved MSNBC from the > analog tier to the digital tier. MSNBC was on Channel 53 in most MA > Comcast > towns, but was moved to Channel 251 last year (my own town has MSNBC > on both > channels, but my mother's town closer to Boston lost it on 53 and > only has > it on 251). FNC and CNN and CNN-HN remained where they were: it was > only > MSNBC of the news channels that was moved. It would be interesting > to know > if any drop in ratings coincided with the channel being moved. There > seems > to be very little organization in the digital channels: you'll have > a sports > channel next to a religious channel, next to a shopping channel, > next to an > entertainment channel, so it's very easy for a channel to get "lost." > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Mar 9 21:26:45 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:26:45 -0400 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow In-Reply-To: <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> References: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20090310012644.9913044C6F0@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 06:16 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote: >I'm as big a Rachel Maddow booster as anyone - indeed, I find her >show more enjoyable than Olbermann's much of the time - but the raw >viewer numbers, at least, are not kind to the MSNBC lineup and >haven't been for a couple of months now. But Keith regularly beats CNN in his daypart, and Rachel has been in a horse race with Larry King. On the other hand, Scott is correct in pointing out that neither Keith nor Rachel comes close to the viewership of Fox (whose audience seems to skew much older, btw-- Rachel at least has been attracting a younger demo to her show, which is something neither Keith nor O'Reilly has been able to do). I think given that many cable systems do in fact make it tough to find or get MSNBC, and given that at this point in time, the left and the progressives are not as motivated as the right and the conservatives are to seek out angry opinion shows, the drop in MSNBC's numbers is not shocking. I think MSNBC expected to be down somewhat, but they still have a solid niche and their advertisers are continuing to support them-- and that means both the night time leftie political shows, and the conservative morning show that Joe Scarborough has been doing. I don't think we should be writing the obit for MSNBC just yet. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Mar 10 02:22:14 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:22:14 -0500 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow In-Reply-To: References: <20090309215551.236A944C0BF@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com>, <49B59553.1060903@fybush.com>, Message-ID: <49B5C0C6.28322.2FE48F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Mar 2009 at 18:57, Jim Hall wrote: > I wonder how many cable companies besides Comcast moved MSNBC from the > analog tier to the digital tier. MSNBC was on Channel 53 in most MA > Comcast towns, but was moved to Channel 251 last year (my own town has > MSNBC on both channels, but my mother's town closer to Boston lost it > on 53 and only has it on 251). FNC and CNN and CNN-HN remained where > they were: it was only MSNBC of the news channels that was moved. It > would be interesting to know if any drop in ratings coincided with the > channel being moved. There seems to be very little organization in the > digital channels: you'll have a sports channel next to a religious > channel, next to a shopping channel, next to an entertainment channel, > so it's very easy for a channel to get "lost." Comcast in Brookline still has MSNBC on the analog tier on channel 37. A few months ago it was also on a digital-level channel, but that seems to have disappeared after a couple of weeks. There's no apparent rhyme or reason to this. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From ncn86@hotmail.com Tue Mar 10 09:49:34 2009 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:49:34 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) Message-ID: Don't mean to venture away from boston here, but I have some interesting news from NY City. Apparently, 92.3 K Rock is changing, again. On Wednesday afternoon (tomorrow) at 5pm, a new Hit Music Format will be launched, known as 92.3 NOW FM. Here is the link to the countdown. http://www.923now.com/ This was given to me by a reliable source on Long Island, so if anyone has anything to add let me know. Having 2 hit music stations might be good for everybody, im looking forward to it! -Nick N NH _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 10 15:56:05 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow Message-ID: <20090310195605.746A9326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: very thorough interview with Rachel Maddow >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:55:23 -0400 >Given the erroneous posting that "Rachel Maddow's show is tanking," >I wanted to call list-members' attention to a long and very >interesting piece about her in Variety. >6 March 2009 >Maddow's unique style spikes ratings: >Smarts, smile fuel MSNBC host's rapid rise >http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118000926.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&query=rachel+maddow I thought that the referenced article was truly "fair and balanced" and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. But if some readers have already clicked through or plan to, make sure you read the very NEXT article from "Variety": "Low class ads threaten prime time" also. It really nails both networks and TV stations for allowing so much dreck to appear on their channels! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Mar 10 16:29:14 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:29:14 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> CBS did the same thing in LA a couple of weeks ago when they blew up low rated hot talker KLSX and flipped to CHR as "Amp Radio." The high cuming nature of hit radio is doing well with the PPM ratings system, so they're trying to get some of that listenership from the established market leaders owned by Clear Channel, KIIS-FM in LA and Z100 in New York. As far as Boston is concerned, I doubt we'll see CBS implementing that strategy. First off, they really don't have any "problem" FM's here. WODS has demo issues but they rate well. WBCN, WZLX and WBMX have established market niches in saleable demos, so while the 12+ numbers aren't pretty, they reach the listeners they need to. Secondly, a CBS owned CHR would have to go after the two headed behemoth that is Kiss 108 and Jam'n 94.5. Those two stations pretty much own the younger female demos, and they are structured to cover a lot of ground musically. It would be very difficult to knock either of them off. It's not like going after essentially one station, like 92.3 is doing with Z100. -Dave Tomm On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote: > Don't mean to venture away from boston here, but I have some > interesting news from NY City. > Apparently, 92.3 K Rock is changing, again. On Wednesday afternoon > (tomorrow) at 5pm, a new Hit Music Format will be launched, known as > 92.3 NOW FM. > Here is the link to the countdown. > > http://www.923now.com/ > > This was given to me by a reliable source on Long Island, so if > anyone has anything to add let me know. Having 2 hit music stations > might be good for everybody, im looking forward to it! From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 10 16:59:02 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:59:02 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> Message-ID: <18870.54422.360608.441052@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > CBS did the same thing in LA a couple of weeks ago when they blew up > low rated hot talker KLSX and flipped to CHR as "Amp Radio." The high > cuming nature of hit radio is doing well with the PPM ratings system, > so they're trying to get some of that listenership from the > established market leaders owned by Clear Channel, KIIS-FM in LA and > Z100 in New York. And by laying off a lot of sales and promotions people, Clear Channel put itself in something of a vulnerable spot. Kudos, for once, to CBS for actually trying to do something competitive with a long-stagnant property. -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Tue Mar 10 17:30:07 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:30:07 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE Message-ID: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM which if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't mention that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian listeners in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. Did Langer buy WJOE or is this an LMA? I lost track of who owns WJOE these days. Link to the article: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:41:45 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:41:45 -0500 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903101441g5dec9d3eo6a5729e5bc53c067@mail.gmail.com> I highly doubt listeners to WSRO in Framingham and Dudley, as quote in the article, will actually be able to hear WJOE 700 from their location. Paul On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian > station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM which > if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't mention > that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from > studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian listeners > in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. > > Did Langer buy WJOE or is this an LMA? I lost track of who owns WJOE these > days. > > Link to the article: > > http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves > > Mark Watson > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 10 17:48:23 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:23 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> Message-ID: WJOE (formerly the late, lamented WPNS [the worst choice of call letters in the history of broadcasting]) is licensed to Orange, where the transmitter is located and where the original (WCAT) studio building still stands. I assume this proposal means the whole shebang will be leaving Orange-Athol . . . or will the current transmitter act as a relay for western Mass.? I wasn't aware there was a Brazilian market in that area. Apparently so. It sticks in my mind that Langer is the current owner, though I may be wrong. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE > Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian > station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM > which if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't > mention that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate > from studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian > listeners in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. > > Did Langer buy WJOE or is this an LMA? I lost track of who owns WJOE > these days. > > Link to the article: > http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves > > Mark Watson > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:54:59 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:54:59 -0500 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903101454n746338fft63a78ffd76f0e74e@mail.gmail.com> Steve Silberberg's County Broadcasting Company is the owner of WJOE, and Langer is leasing it from him. Presumably wherever Silberberg's WXRG-FM (licensed to Athol) has its local studio is where WJOE's will be, regardless of where the programs ORIGINATE from, wether it's own programming or a simulcast of WSRO 650. And although it's a technically, WJOE is licensed to Orange-Athol, not just Orange. Speaking of WPNS, there is a KPNS.. lol Paul Walker On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > WJOE (formerly the late, lamented WPNS [the worst choice of call letters in > the history of broadcasting]) is licensed to Orange, where the transmitter > is located and where the original (WCAT) studio building still stands. > > I assume this proposal means the whole shebang will be leaving Orange-Athol > . . . or will the current transmitter act as a relay for western Mass.? I > wasn't aware there was a Brazilian market in that area. Apparently so. > > It sticks in my mind that Langer is the current owner, though I may be > wrong. -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" > To: "Boston Radio" > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:30 PM > Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE > > > > Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian >> station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM which >> if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't mention >> that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from >> studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian listeners >> in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. >> >> Did Langer buy WJOE or is this an LMA? I lost track of who owns WJOE >> these days. >> >> Link to the article: >> >> http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves >> >> Mark Watson >> >> From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Mar 10 20:54:30 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:54:30 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> Message-ID: <49B70BC6.9090109@ttlc.net> Mark Watson wrote: >>Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian station Alex Langer is putting >>on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM... Link to the article: >> http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves Quite interesting article, but one reader's comments are puzzlingly vitriolic. Incredibly outrageous claims about the immigration status of 90% of the Brazilian community and alleged criminal records of 10% of the Brazilian community with no attribution or explanation, whatsoever. He claims that Langer is subsidizing or enabling an illegal business community. Somebody must really want to sabotage his efforts. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Mar 10 20:55:55 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:55:55 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> Message-ID: <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net> Dave Tomm wrote: > As far as Boston is concerned, I doubt we'll see CBS implementing that > strategy. First off, they really don't have any "problem" FM's here. > WODS has demo issues but they rate well. What demo issues? From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 10 21:47:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:47:26 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: <49B70BC6.9090109@ttlc.net> References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> <49B70BC6.9090109@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18871.6190.842144.835338@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Quite interesting article, but one reader's comments are puzzlingly > vitriolic. Incredibly outrageous claims about the immigration status of > 90% of the Brazilian community and [...] You sure it wasn't Lou Dobbs? :-) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 10 21:49:58 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:49:58 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net> References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Dave Tomm wrote: >> As far as Boston is concerned, I doubt we'll see CBS implementing that >> strategy. First off, they really don't have any "problem" FM's here. >> WODS has demo issues but they rate well. > What demo issues? Too many people over the age of 54 listening. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Mar 10 21:56:01 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:56:01 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net> <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> Dave Tomm wrote: >> >>> As far as Boston is concerned, I doubt we'll see CBS implementing that >>> strategy. First off, they really don't have any "problem" FM's here. >>> WODS has demo issues but they rate well. >>> >> What demo issues? >> > > Too many people over the age of 54 listening. > > -GAWollman > I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the past few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier in the 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: "Beyond The Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ demos (I'm 61) like moths to a porch light. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Mar 10 22:13:52 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:13:52 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> > I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the past > few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier in the > 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: "Beyond The > Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ demos (I'm 61) > like moths to a porch light. They're probably only playing songs like that on "Oh Wow Wednesday" or "Oh Wow Weekends." Which features that have begun since Christmas, I believe. There's also sometimes a surprise on "Turn Table Tuesday," where they'll actually play a song off vinyl. They're also playing more 80s songs lately, during the regular format, and especially during the syndicated Tom Kent show at night. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 10 23:01:14 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:01:14 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> <8bce0fe80903101454n746338fft63a78ffd76f0e74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> Just curious . . . how do I know the name Steve Silverberg? I somehow associate him with WGAN in Portland. Can anyone enlighten me? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: Doug Drown Cc: Mark Watson ; Boston Radio Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE Steve Silberberg's County Broadcasting Company is the owner of WJOE, and Langer is leasing it from him. Presumably wherever Silberberg's WXRG-FM (licensed to Athol) has its local studio is where WJOE's will be, regardless of where the programs ORIGINATE from, wether it's own programming or a simulcast of WSRO 650. And although it's a technically, WJOE is licensed to Orange-Athol, not just Orange. Speaking of WPNS, there is a KPNS.. lol Paul Walker On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Doug Drown wrote: WJOE (formerly the late, lamented WPNS [the worst choice of call letters in the history of broadcasting]) is licensed to Orange, where the transmitter is located and where the original (WCAT) studio building still stands. I assume this proposal means the whole shebang will be leaving Orange-Athol . . . or will the current transmitter act as a relay for western Mass.? I wasn't aware there was a Brazilian market in that area. Apparently so. It sticks in my mind that Langer is the current owner, though I may be wrong. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM which if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't mention that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian listeners in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. Did Langer buy WJOE or is this an LMA? I lost track of who owns WJOE these days. Link to the article: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x238204187/New-Brazilian-radio-station-hits-the-airwaves Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 10 23:22:15 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:22:15 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: <7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> <8bce0fe80903101454n746338fft63a78ffd76f0e74e@mail.gmail.com> <7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18871.11879.3561.7377@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Just curious . . . how do I know the name Steve Silverberg? Steven Silberberg is an attorney with offices at 288 South River Road in Bedford, N.H. He is the long-time owner of Northeast Broadcasting (WXRV 92.5 Andover, WNCS 104.7 Burlington), and has at various points owned a dozen or so other stations in northern and central New England and in Wyoming. He currently owns 700 and 99.9 in Athol, my namesake station in Gardner, two FMs and a translator in New Hampshire, five AMs and at least six FMs in Vermont, and I haven't kept track of the Wyoming stuff. I have heard him referred to as "Crazy Steve" by former employees. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Mar 10 23:29:46 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:29:46 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE In-Reply-To: <7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> <8bce0fe80903101454n746338fft63a78ffd76f0e74e@mail.gmail.com> <7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> Message-ID: <20090311032936.A1D231E69EB@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:01 PM 3/10/2009, Doug Drown wrote: >Just curious . . . how do I know the name Steve Silverberg? He owns stations in Vermont, New Hampshire, all over New England. From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Mar 10 23:30:25 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:30:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE Message-ID: <24629172.1236742225066.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I highly doubt listeners to WSRO in Framingham > and Dudley, as quote in the article, will actually > be able to hear WJOE 700 from their location. I have heard WJOE extremely faintly in Framingham on a good car radio, away from all interference sources. Dudley may get a very slightly better signal. EP From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 10 23:31:19 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:31:19 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark><8bce0fe80903101454n746338fft63a78ffd76f0e74e@mail.gmail.com><7B61C36195D14C49948A4B78FCD910ED@DougDrown> <18871.11879.3561.7377@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8BCAB879FFA144C7BB677BBDDB5E84A2@DougDrown> Well, thank you! BTW --- it never occurred to me that WGAW is indeed your namesake station. ;-) I'm a Gardner native. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE > < said: > >> Just curious . . . how do I know the name Steve Silverberg? > > Steven Silberberg is an attorney with offices at 288 South River Road > in Bedford, N.H. He is the long-time owner of Northeast Broadcasting > (WXRV 92.5 Andover, WNCS 104.7 Burlington), and has at various points > owned a dozen or so other stations in northern and central New England > and in Wyoming. He currently owns 700 and 99.9 in Athol, my namesake > station in Gardner, two FMs and a translator in New Hampshire, five > AMs and at least six FMs in Vermont, and I haven't kept track of the > Wyoming stuff. > > I have heard him referred to as "Crazy Steve" by former employees. > > -GAWollman > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 10 23:39:25 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:39:25 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: I've been somewhat noisily saying for several years that the 54+ crowd (which includes yours truly) is the forgotten demographic in radio broadcasting. We're here, and we're HUGE. Why is it there are seemingly very few stations around that play the music of our '50s and '60s adolescence? Is there no ad revenue to be made from this?? Gimme a break. Sounds like WODS is on the right track. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" To: "'Roger Kirk'" ; "'Garrett Wollman'" Cc: "'Boston Radio Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: RE: Change in New York Radio (again) >> I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the past >> few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier in the >> 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: "Beyond The >> Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ demos (I'm 61) >> like moths to a porch light. > > They're probably only playing songs like that on "Oh Wow Wednesday" or "Oh > Wow Weekends." Which features that have begun since Christmas, I believe. > There's also sometimes a surprise on "Turn Table Tuesday," where they'll > actually play a song off vinyl. > > They're also playing more 80s songs lately, during the regular format, and > especially during the syndicated Tom Kent show at night. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 11 01:21:43 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:21:43 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> References: , <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Mar 2009 at 21:56, Roger Kirk wrote: > I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the > past few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier > in the 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: > "Beyond The Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ > demos (I'm 61) like moths to a porch light. Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may actually BUY PRODUCTS? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Mar 11 01:51:52 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:51:52 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may > actually BUY PRODUCTS? > Sure; anti-itch powder, powerful male enhancers, credit fix-up services, and marketing secrets you can use to take your business to the next level. ObPaulHarvey: The people who make these products would like me to mention their names. --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 10 22:35:51 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:35:51 -0600 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> I think CBS learned a hard lesson about messing with oldies when they flipped WCBS-FM and WJMK 4 years ago.They were able to correct the error in NYC but Chicago they are still stuck with Jack-FM. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 11 11:17:42 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:42 -0500 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark> <8bce0fe80903101441g5dec9d3eo6a5729e5bc53c067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301c9a25c$870c7000$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> The article states that WJOE's will be a Brazilian RELIGIOUS station, which probably limits its appeal to a fraction of whatever Brazilian community exists within its coverage area. As a non-Brazilian, I might have found a Brazilian station with a musical format a nice change of pace, but music obviously doesn't pay the bills, and you have to hire and pay people to play it. Too bad. Looks like all WJOE will ever be to me is another impediment to listening to WLW at night. Howard Paul B. Walker wrote: > I highly doubt listeners to WSRO in Framingham and Dudley, as quote in the > article, will actually be able to hear WJOE 700 from their location. > > Paul > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > > Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian > > station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM which > > if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't mention > > that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from > > studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian listeners > > in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 09:23:43 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <14882.60122.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 3/11/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Could it be that someone has figured out that us older > folks may > actually BUY PRODUCTS? But as Bob Bittner has said many times, you won't go into obscene debt to buy those things and overextend yourselves. Now that us younger folk have less access to the credit spigot, I'm thinking the advertising equation (provided companies aren't shortsighted and halt advertising) may become a bit more sensible. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Mar 11 10:48:55 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:48:55 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark><8bce0fe80903101441g5dec9d3eo6a5729e5bc53c067@mail.gmail.com> <003301c9a25c$870c7000$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Interesting. I'm sure Langer has done his homework, but I have a hard time believing there are that many Portuguese-speaking listeners in western Mass., New Hampshire and Vermont. Also interesting is the fact that modern Brazil is much more diverse religiously than in the past. It has a large evangelical Protestant population that is getting bigger every year. I wonder if it's the emigres of that group who are the targeted audience. I guess we'll find out. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Mark Watson" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE > The article states that WJOE's will be a Brazilian RELIGIOUS station, > which > probably limits its appeal to a fraction of whatever Brazilian community > exists within its coverage area. As a non-Brazilian, I might have found a > Brazilian station with a musical format a nice change of pace, but music > obviously doesn't pay the bills, and you have to hire and pay people to > play > it. Too bad. Looks like all WJOE will ever be to me is another impediment > to > listening to WLW at night. > > Howard > > Paul B. Walker wrote: > >> I highly doubt listeners to WSRO in Framingham and Dudley, as quote in >> the >> article, will actually be able to hear WJOE 700 from their location. >> >> Paul >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Mark Watson >> wrote: >> >> > Saw an article in the MetroWest Daily News about a new all-Brazilian >> > station Alex Langer is putting on the air next Monday, WJOE at 700 AM > which >> > if I'm not mistaken is licensed to Athol, but the article doesn't > mention >> > that. It does say that the station will be 2500 watts and operate from >> > studios on Mt. Wayte Ave. in Framingham and will target Brazilian > listeners >> > in Western MA, as well as NH, CT, RI & VT. >> > > > From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 11 07:02:03 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:02:03 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I think CBS learned a hard lesson about messing with oldies when they flipped WCBS-FM and WJMK 4 years ago.They were able to correct the error in NYC but Chicago they are still stuck with Jack-FM.<< They didn't go back to oldies in NYC. WCBS-FM today is a classic-hits station, not an oldies station. They play virtually nothing from the pre-Beatles era and their music rotation extends through the 1908s. Their mistake, which has been extensively covered in the news media, was not necessarily the switch itself, but the way it was done, with essentially no notice to their listeners who were incensed and who never forgot. They were still getting 3 shares and making lots of money, but apparently not enough for their corporate parent who listened to the sales types whining that they couldn't sell it. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 11 11:34:29 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:34:29 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net><18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004001c9a25e$df3cd060$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> From: Roger Kirk > > > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > > > >> Dave Tomm wrote: > >> > >>> As far as Boston is concerned, I doubt we'll see CBS implementing that > >>> strategy. First off, they really don't have any "problem" FM's here. > >>> WODS has demo issues but they rate well. > >>> > >> What demo issues? > >> > > > > Too many people over the age of 54 listening. > > > > -GAWollman > > > I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the past > few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier in the > 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: "Beyond The > Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ demos (I'm 61) > like moths to a porch light. > Same thing's been happening at WDRC-FM Hartford, with early '60s and '50s songs returning. Ever since the "Big D, A to Z" blowout of early January, moldy oldies from the depths of the DRC hard drive have been finding their way into the daily playist. "The Stroll," "All I Have to Do Is Dream," "Short Shorts" ... only one an hour, and not every hour, but they're still there, and they weren't being played at all outside of the weekend request shows or specials a year ago. If the 54+ audience is so toxic to the bottom line, why bother to program even two and a half minutes an hour for it? Could quack (aka "natural") medicine, retirement communities and hospitals be the only entities still advertising on radio at pre-recession levels, meaning these stations need to keep the older listeners around to get those advertisers to buy more spots? Howard From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 11 07:12:24 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:12:24 -0400 Subject: Older demos - WAS: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I've been somewhat noisily saying for several years that the 54+ crowd (which includes yours truly) is the forgotten demographic in radio broadcasting. We're here, and we're HUGE. Why is it there are seemingly very few stations around that play the music of our '50s and '60s adolescence? Is there no ad revenue to be made from this?? Gimme a break.<< The issue is not whether or not the 55+ crowd buys products. In fact, there's some data to suggest that the 55+'ers are more easily able to buy big-ticket items like luxury cars, cruises, etc. The issue is that ad agencies and rep firms, which place a substantial percentage of the advertising on major-market radio stations, are convinced that older people are more set in their buying habits and are less easily persuaded by advertising to try new products (except, of course, for those products that would have a specific appeal to that age group). I have yet to see any reliable data to either prove or disprove that belief, but until someone can convince them otherwise, you won't see music formats geared to the 55+ set in large markets when there's (in their view) much more money to be made from a music format with a younger demographic appeal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From iraapple@comcast.net Wed Mar 11 11:30:43 2009 From: iraapple@comcast.net ('iraapple') Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:30:43 -0400 Subject: Older demos - WAS: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <529D393F9CA54C77B86AE7D8720B3361@IraApple> An interesting article on this subject is contained in Strategy+Business Magazine. http://www.strategy-business.com/registration If you go to that URL you will have to register to read "50+plus: A Market That Marketers Still Miss" Here is a brief quote: "Marketing assumptions are part of the problem. Marketers are convinced that mature consumers are brand loyal and stuck in the ways. They grasp that boomers have money to spend, but do not understand the impact of longevity on spending. In fact, at 50 or 60, with 20 to 30 years of good health ahead, boomers represent a renewed chance at lifetime customer value" Ira Apple ================== -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:12 AM To: 'Boston Radio Mailing List' Subject: Older demos - WAS: Change in New York Radio (again) >>I've been somewhat noisily saying for several years that the 54+ crowd (which includes yours truly) is the forgotten demographic in radio broadcasting. We're here, and we're HUGE. Why is it there are seemingly very few stations around that play the music of our '50s and '60s adolescence? Is there no ad revenue to be made from this?? Gimme a break.<< The issue is not whether or not the 55+ crowd buys products. In fact, there's some data to suggest that the 55+'ers are more easily able to buy big-ticket items like luxury cars, cruises, etc. The issue is that ad agencies and rep firms, which place a substantial percentage of the advertising on major-market radio stations, are convinced that older people are more set in their buying habits and are less easily persuaded by advertising to try new products (except, of course, for those products that would have a specific appeal to that age group). I have yet to see any reliable data to either prove or disprove that belief, but until someone can convince them otherwise, you won't see music formats geared to the 55+ set in large markets when there's (in their view) much more money to be made from a music format with a younger demographic appeal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 11 12:30:16 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:30:16 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <14882.60122.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c9a266$aa4544c0$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> From: Sean Smyth > > On Wed, 3/11/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > Could it be that someone has figured out that us older > > folks may > > actually BUY PRODUCTS? > > But as Bob Bittner has said many times, you won't go into obscene debt to buy those things and overextend yourselves. > > Now that us younger folk have less access to the credit spigot, I'm thinking the advertising equation (provided companies aren't shortsighted and halt advertising) may become a bit more sensible. > I think that shortsightedness is part of the problem. The bromide used to be that advertisers were "fleeing (print/radio/television/outdoor) for the Internet." Now it seems many of them just aren't advertising at all, having retreated into survival mode. I suppose it's tough to justify any advertising budget when you've got a well-known product or business but the wolf is at the door. Brand awareness/reinforcement takes a back seat to profit margin at that point, I'd imagine. Howard From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 12:11:41 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net> <49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net><18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <004001c9a25e$df3cd060$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <356852.41515.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Howard wrote: Could quack (aka "natural") medicine, retirement communities and hospitals be the only entities still advertising on radio at pre-recession levels, meaning these stations need to keep the older listeners around to get those advertisers to buy more spots? My 0.02 cents - the younger audience is running from radio for the I-Pod and MP3 anyway. The older audience still accepts radio as it is and puts up with spot breaks as part of the deal. Maureen From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 12:35:57 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:35:57 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1><4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: >> They didn't go back to oldies in NYC. WCBS-FM today is a classic-hits >> station, not an oldies station. >> They play virtually nothing from the pre-Beatles era.... So, from your view, in order to be an "oldies station" you *have to* play pre-Beatles stuff? From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 11 13:11:45 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:11:45 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1><4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E6FD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>So, from your view, in order to be an "oldies station" you *have to* play pre-Beatles stuff?<< Not in my view. Those are the format definitions commonly used in the business. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 13:27:34 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:27:34 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1><4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E6FD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49DDAA2290E141CCBB5E661AAC0F8CDA@MainXPPro> >>So, from your view, in order to be an "oldies station" you *have to* play pre-Beatles stuff?<< > Not in my view. Those are the format definitions commonly used in the > business. I think that is a dated view. Format definitions and their technical parameters are always changing, and are not set in stone. At least that's my experience "in the business". From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 11 13:49:58 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:49:58 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net><49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net><18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><004001c9a25e$df3cd060$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> <356852.41515.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BA7D9B5EF8F4AF8AB0F0718335C5800@SatU205S5044> The irony just struck me: the 20 ad-agency time buyers who are convinced that people over 54 are so set in their ways that they cannot be swayed to even TRY new products, much less, become repeat customers, have the best possible model for this supposed intransigence in their OWN behavior! These barely-out-of-their-teens idiots are absolutely, totally in the sway of the mythology that older listeners tune out any and all advertising messages. Which, dammit, PROVES that you don't have to be in your mid-50s or older to be completely closed-minded! What we need now is something that demonstrates that older people are at least as open-minded as younger people. I don't know how you demonstrate that except anecdotally. Maybe these kids don't understand that anecdotal evidence is not proof, but if they are as stupid as they seem to be, maybe they are gullible enough to accept anecdotal evidence as proof. In that case, all that might be necessary to sway them would be anecdotal evidence. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Howard Glazer" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Change in New York Radio (again) > Howard wrote: > > > Could quack (aka "natural") medicine, retirement communities and > hospitals > be the only entities still advertising on radio at pre-recession > levels, > meaning these stations need to keep the older listeners around to > get those > advertisers to buy more spots? > > > My 0.02 cents - the younger audience is running from radio for the > I-Pod and MP3 anyway. The older audience still accepts radio as it > is and puts up with spot breaks as part of the deal. > > Maureen > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 11 13:58:33 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:58:33 -0400 Subject: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE References: <4BB200514217450F97EE660BC1299C83@Mark><8bce0fe80903101441g5dec9d3eo6a5729e5bc53c067@mail.gmail.com> <003301c9a25c$870c7000$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <0ED933333C5D4346A7BDB0813694FD20@SatU205S5044> Reread the article, from which I quote: His new radio station, WJOE 700 AM, features a mix of religious and secular programs ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Glazer" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Mark Watson" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Alex Langer Launching Brazilian Programming On WJOE > The article states that WJOE's will be a Brazilian RELIGIOUS > station, From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:47:50 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:50 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903110947l188897a1pf01d854708456917@mail.gmail.com> Now, in my opinion, to be considered a real, true (not to be confused with any actual format) oldies station, you need to play SOME pre beatles stuff from the late 50s on and leave out that CRAP from the 80s. But what do I know? I'm only a 25 year old young whipper snapper who programmed a small town oldies station when he was 20 years old! Paul Walker On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Don A wrote: > > > They didn't go back to oldies in NYC. WCBS-FM today is a classic-hits >>> station, not an oldies station. >>> They play virtually nothing from the pre-Beatles era.... >>> >> > So, from your view, in order to be an "oldies station" you *have to* play > pre-Beatles stuff? > From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 11 14:09:23 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:09:23 -0600 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <7BA7D9B5EF8F4AF8AB0F0718335C5800@SatU205S5044> References: <0E2D7B77-BC4C-48F2-8240-C86D863B4235@charter.net><49B70C1B.6050100@ttlc.net><18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><004001c9a25e$df3cd060$0f8a4c0c@oemcomputer> <356852.41515.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7BA7D9B5EF8F4AF8AB0F0718335C5800@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E7DC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I don't know how you demonstrate that except anecdotally. Maybe these kids don't understand that anecdotal evidence is not proof, but if they are as stupid as they seem to be, maybe they are gullible enough to accept anecdotal evidence as proof. In that case, all that might be necessary to sway them would be anecdotal evidence.<< The anecdotal evidence is all around us and has been for a long time. However, when billions of dollars in advertising are hanging in the balance, no one will risk destroying the shibboleths based on anecdotal evidence. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Mar 11 14:25:09 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:25:09 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49DDAA2290E141CCBB5E661AAC0F8CDA@MainXPPro> References: <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <42745F12C4A74182A638ED05BC6152BE@DHPP0DB1> <4fc429770903101935o144cef39yca651b8aa33f0013@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E1BB@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A332E6FD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49DDAA2290E141CCBB5E661AAC0F8CDA@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <148989741941194230884557866831938907004-Webmail@me.com> In the 60's, new songs became "oldies" after only about a year. So it's kind of funny that 45 years later, we're debating whether some of those same songs are now old enough to be "oldies." On Wednesday, March 11, 2009, at 01:27PM, "Don A" wrote: > > > >>>So, from your view, in order to be an "oldies station" you *have to* play >pre-Beatles stuff?<< > >> Not in my view. Those are the format definitions commonly used in the >> business. > > >I think that is a dated view. > >Format definitions and their technical parameters are always changing, and >are not set in stone. > >At least that's my experience "in the business". From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 11 19:21:19 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:21:19 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com> References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2009 Richard Chonak wrote: > > Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may > > actually BUY PRODUCTS? > > > Sure; anti-itch powder, powerful male enhancers, credit fix-up > services, and marketing secrets you can use to take your business to > the next level. cars, computers, TVs, ... -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 11 19:21:20 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:21:20 -0500 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> Message-ID: <49B80120.20860.D9B120@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Mar 2009 Keith Fornal wrote: > Yes you do buy products but you are much less likely swayed by > advertising then the young whipper snappers. In this day and age, there are a lot more of us over-50 types than there are young whippersnappers. And more of us have money. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 11 18:43:44 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:43:44 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com> <49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 11 Mar 2009 Richard Chonak wrote: > > >>> Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may >>> actually BUY PRODUCTS? >>> >>> >> Sure; anti-itch powder, powerful male enhancers, credit fix-up >> services, and marketing secrets you can use to take your business to >> the next level. >> > cars, computers, TVs, ... > HD Converters, DVD's, Blu-Ray players ... From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 11 19:41:01 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:41:01 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B80120.20860.D9B120@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> <49B80120.20860.D9B120@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18872.19469.754186.231164@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In this day and age, there are a lot more of us over-50 types than > there are young whippersnappers. And more of us have money. Sorry, Joe, but it's not even close. According to the most recent census data available (which is a couple of years old), there are approximately 225 million people over the age of 18 in this country. Of that group, more than 156 million, or 69%, are under 55. The 55-plus population is just under 69 million. As a fraction of the whole U.S. population, that's 25% under-18s, 52% 18-54s, and 23% 55 and over. Unfortunately, I don't know an easy way to find out the share of national wealth held by each of those groups. -GAWollman From keith.fornal@cox.net Wed Mar 11 00:50:17 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:50:17 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> Yes you do buy products but you are much less likely swayed by advertising then the young whipper snappers. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:22 AM To: Roger Kirk Cc: Boston Radio Mailing List Subject: Re: Change in New York Radio (again) On 10 Mar 2009 at 21:56, Roger Kirk wrote: > I find that interesting, because my wife & I have noticed over the > past few weeks that 103.3 is now playing older songs i.e. much earlier > in the 60's than they have in the past couple of years. Example: > "Beyond The Sea" by Bobby Darin. That would attract those pesky 54+ > demos (I'm 61) like moths to a porch light. Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may actually BUY PRODUCTS? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Mar 11 21:08:42 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:08:42 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) References: , <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> Message-ID: <0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> Prove it! All you are doing is repeating the urban legend. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Fornal" To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Roger Kirk'" Cc: "'Boston Radio Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: RE: Change in New York Radio (again) > Yes you do buy products but you are much less likely swayed by > advertising > then the young whipper snappers. > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 11 22:33:17 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:33:17 -0400 Subject: Older consumers impervious to marketing In-Reply-To: <0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> References: <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net> <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> <0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18872.29805.515962.217179@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Prove it! All you are doing is repeating the urban legend. It doesn't matter whether it's a legend (urban or otherwise); what matters is whether marketers and sales reps still believe it. I'll take Maureen's word for (or against) it, since she's worked on that side of the fence for a good while. -GAWollman From paul@derrynh.net Thu Mar 12 01:15:56 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:15:56 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com><49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> Message-ID: It's not whether you BUY things or not..... It's whether you're more willing to switch brands or not, and our age group (50+) simply isn't as open to trying different brands as the young minds full of mush. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Change in New York Radio (again) > A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> On 11 Mar 2009 Richard Chonak wrote: >> >> >>>> Could it be that someone has figured out that us older folks may >>>> actually BUY PRODUCTS? >>>> >>>> >>> Sure; anti-itch powder, powerful male enhancers, credit fix-up >>> services, and marketing secrets you can use to take your business to >>> the next level. >>> >> cars, computers, TVs, ... > HD Converters, DVD's, Blu-Ray players ... > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Mar 12 01:30:55 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:30:55 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com><49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49B89E0F.6040209@ttlc.net> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > It's not whether you BUY things or not..... > > It's whether you're more willing to switch brands or not, and our age > group (50+) simply isn't as open to trying different brands as the > young minds full of mush. > Possibly true, but ads that merely inform of the existence of a product (rather than touting its alleged advantages over a competing product i.e. switch brands) can still be useful for the older generation. I tend to agree that those of us 54+ (Lord, I wish I was 54 again) are more likely to consider whether or not we really NEED a product before buying instead of rushing out to buy - just because we GOTTA have it! Less likely for us to be "early adopters" than people in their 20's. From sid@wrko.com Thu Mar 12 07:01:43 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:01:43 -0600 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> References: , <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com> <3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC> <0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A33904A0@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Prove it! All you are doing is repeating the urban legend.<< ...and again, you are missing the point. Whether or not we can prove it or disprove it is irrelevant. As long as the agencies and rep firms believe it, and as long as they refuse to believe otherwise, things will remain the way they are. People have been trying to dissuade them from this belief for years, and it hasn't made a dent. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Mar 12 07:45:55 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:45:55 -0400 Subject: Older consumers impervious to marketing References: <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com><3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC><0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> <18872.29805.515962.217179@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <60D6DF7015494F32B76DD156B90A87F7@SatU205S5044> I searched for messages in the original thread that would indicate Maureeen's opinion on older listeners' susceptibility to the blandishments of radio advertising. As far as I can tell, she didn't commit herself on the issue, except to say that younger listeners are fleeing radio for iPods and MP-3 players while older listeners are more tolerant of radio's long spot breaks. That suggests that she strongly believes that older listeners are at least more willing than younger ones to be subjected to commercials broadcast on radio. It is entirely possible, however, that she nevertheless believes that a much larger percentage of younger listeners will respond positively to commercial messages they have heard on radio. Anyhow, as far as I can tell, all we have in this thread is the assertion that money spent on radio ads directed at older listeners is money poured down a rathole. Based on the behavior of time buyers, this assertion might as well have been handed to Moses on a stone tablet along with the ten commandments; I've yet to see or hear in this thread any proof of its truth. Until someone presents some credible evidence of its truth, simple repetition of the shopworn assertion adds nothing to the discussion. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Older consumers impervious to marketing > < said: > >> Prove it! All you are doing is repeating the urban legend. > > It doesn't matter whether it's a legend (urban or otherwise); what > matters is whether marketers and sales reps still believe it. I'll > take Maureen's word for (or against) it, since she's worked on that > side of the fence for a good while. > > -GAWollman From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 08:32:29 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Older consumers impervious to marketing References: <18871.6342.498224.201873@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49B71A31.6080806@ttlc.net><49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com><3492B831970049219CED7F8B3B6E4921@KeithPC><0A845156C6EB4D698C173F4829B2C563@SatU205S5044> <18872.29805.515962.217179@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <60D6DF7015494F32B76DD156B90A87F7@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <253774.34462.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My point is this. It's not that anyone 50+ doesn't buy anything. They're the ones with the disposable incomes, moreso than the 20 and 30 somethings who are purchasing their first houses and raising families. We actually have retained some auto advertisers because they want to go after a slightly older audience with more disposable income to purchase cars and trucks. On the other hand we do a lot of new movie business because Boston is a college town and most movies (at least those with a promotional budget) are geared at the under-25 crowd. It seems that younger generation?doesn't like direct advertising. They would rather have Oprah mention a product on her show than see a commercial for that product during the show. I think the change towards I-pods is more because of the content of the music rather than the actual lenghts of spot breaks. They want to avoid the music they don't like. The result, at least in TV, is more "snipes" (animated logos) and more live mentions in sports events. Many advertisers are looking for space on station web pages as part of the package. From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Mar 12 11:11:14 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:11:14 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: <49B89E0F.6040209@ttlc.net> References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com><49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> <49B89E0F.6040209@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <9AD5AD39-2091-4F27-9E8F-9C96BE5D555A@charter.net> A couple of points not mentioned... First off, this generation's 55+ crowd isn't exactly rolling in disposable income. They have some unique challenges that by and large previous generations didn't. Many baby boomers waited to have children, so some are financing college educations in their late 50's and into their sixties. Also, this group's parents are living much longer nowadays and often significant sums of money are spent on long term parental care. There has been growth in this sector over the last few years (think Linden Ponds, Big Pharma ads and The Scooter Store) but it's still a limited market. Unlike the previous generation, the Boomer crowd is the first generation as a whole to plan their retirements around 401K's rather than pensions. We know how well 401K's have done lately. What made the Boomers so successful to market to in the 80's and 90's is a drawback these days. This group is not exactly a bunch of savers. They burned through a lot of discretionary income in their younger years and quite a few of them did not properly invest in their retirements. It's true that the older demos control the bulk of the wealth in this country, but there are a small handful that are very well off, and quite a few that are not. Advertisers have figured out how to reach the more affluent of this group (news-talk, sports, mainstream AC) without investing in a format that specifically targets them. Lastly, many corporations want to plan their advertising campaigns to not only convince people to switch to their brand, but to stay with them in subsequent years. Whether it's automobiles or razor blades, companies want to build brand loyalty that will last for the next 40 to 50 years. Considering that Generation Y (or the echo Boomers) is a larger group than the Boomers themselves, it makes sense that agencies want to target this young, sizable demographic and ride their wave for the next half century, just as they did with the Boomers beginning in the late 60's. -Dave Tomm On Mar 12, 2009, at 1:30 AM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >> It's not whether you BUY things or not..... >> >> It's whether you're more willing to switch brands or not, and our >> age group (50+) simply isn't as open to trying different brands as >> the young minds full of mush. >> > Possibly true, but ads that merely inform of the existence of a > product (rather than touting its alleged advantages over a competing > product i.e. switch brands) can still be useful for the older > generation. > I tend to agree that those of us 54+ (Lord, I wish I was 54 again) > are more likely to consider whether or not we really NEED a product > before buying instead of rushing out to buy - just because we GOTTA > have it! Less likely for us to be "early adopters" than people in > their 20's. > From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Mar 12 12:54:16 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:54:16 -0400 Subject: Change in New York Radio (again) In-Reply-To: References: , <49B70417.29396.3DD529@joe.attorneyross.com>, <49B75178.9070103@gabrielmass.com><49B8011F.1104.D9AFA9@Joe.attorneyross.com> <49B83EA0.4090200@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49B93E38.2000000@gabrielmass.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > It's not whether you BUY things or not..... > > It's whether you're more willing to switch brands or not, and our age > group (50+) simply isn't as open to trying different brands as the young > minds full of mush. > On the other hand, from what I see among my neighbors, the home shopping channels are making quite a living from older people. --RC From lglavin@mail.com Wed Mar 11 17:46:06 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:46:06 -0500 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? Message-ID: <20090311214606.86192BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> All day today (Wednesday, March 11th) the radio station still listed on FCC records as WGIP-AM 1540 in Exeter, NH has been broadcasting an unmodulated carrier. It usually airs a simulcast of WGIR-AM 610 in Manchester, NH (also on WGIN-AM 930 in RAAAAW-chester, NH). The station was recently sold to a new owner by CCU. So it's possible it's going through this exercise until it gets new call letters. I haven't seen any application for new calls, but they've been known to happen overnight (WTTT---->WWDJ). I love the coverage map for its presunrise and nighttime facility on radio-locator.com... it's lucky if it can be heard on nearby Exeter Country Club! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From phylo1@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 11:43:02 2009 From: phylo1@yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Jobs Message-ID: <304584.46712.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, As someone who has always loved Radio, I'm considering the idea of finding some sort of a job in it. I am not a broadcaster (although I'm getting some volunteer experience) or a sound engineer/producer (I wish!) But I'm unemployed, so I'm wondering how I might leverage this list to find some contacts at Boston area stations that might need an admin asst or even a receptionist (typist, computer person, etc). Is that a pipe dream? Does anyone on this list have any advice they could share? I know it's not the best of times, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I am currently a volunteer at a station in Worcester, but it's all volunteer and while I love the opportunity to get experience there, I can't drive there on a daily basis, plus at some point I need to find a paying job. You can email me privately if you prefer. Thank you, Phyllis From lglavin@mail.com Thu Mar 12 15:53:26 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:53:26 -0500 Subject: WNNW-AM 800 Now On 92.1 Message-ID: <20090312195326.920B0105CE@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> The translator that Costa-Eagle put on the air in Lawrence on the 92.1 frequency is now broadcasting the programming of their AM station WNNW 800 in Lawrence. During the testing phase of their transmissions which began a couple of weeks ago, the frequency was used as a rebroadcaster of WXRV-FM 92.5 COL Andover(?), transmitting from Haverhill. the station seems to be broadcasting in mono, not stereo...WNNW-AM is an AM HD station... so I assume it's available in stereo on HD receivers. Maybe a little more work needs to be done. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From sid@wrko.com Fri Mar 13 16:34:46 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:34:46 -0600 Subject: Radio Jobs In-Reply-To: <304584.46712.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <304584.46712.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A34001F4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>As someone who has always loved Radio, I'm considering the idea of finding some sort of a job in it. I am not a broadcaster (although I'm getting some volunteer experience) or a sound engineer/producer (I wish!) But I'm unemployed, so I'm wondering how I might leverage this list to find some contacts at Boston area stations that might need an admin asst or even a receptionist (typist, computer person, etc). Is that a pipe dream? Does anyone on this list have any advice they could share? I know it's not the best of times, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I am currently a volunteer at a station in Worcester, but it's all volunteer and while I love the opportunity to get experience there, I can't drive there on a daily basis, plus at some point I need to find a paying job.<< Unfortunately, as you've already guessed, this is not exactly the best of times in the radio business, and even support personnel are being cut to the bone. The only area of radio in which there's any growth right now is in sales. If you have any reasonable sales skills, you'd probably get your foot in the door at most commercial stations, although the pressures right now on sales are enormous, so it's not exactly a glamorous job although it can be very rewarding for someone who succeeds at it. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From lglavin@mail.com Fri Mar 13 17:42:59 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:42:59 -0500 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? Message-ID: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Laurence Glavin" >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? >Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:46:06 -0500 Since the original post on Wednesday, the AM station on 1540 on Exeter has been occasionally playing recordings that sound a bit like the makings of an "oldies" format and giving the call-letters WXEX, followed by the names of several towns around Exeter, NH. Then there's the slogan: "music that's fun to listen to". Apparently the new owners don't realize that you're not supposed to use a preposition to end a sentence with. I would have guessed that the new format would be ethic or commercial "religion"...but it appears that it will be something else. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From cohasset@frontiernet.net Sat Mar 14 18:10:41 2009 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:10:41 -0400 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? In-Reply-To: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: >> -Then there's the slogan: > "music that's fun to listen to". Apparently the new owners don't > realize > that you're not supposed to use a preposition to end a sentence > with. [sic] "music to which it's fun to listen" ???? From mward@iname.com Sat Mar 14 19:31:36 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:31:36 -0400 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? In-Reply-To: References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49BC3E58.3050909@iname.com> Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > "music to which it's fun to listen" ???? The FCC database shows that the sale to Aruba Capital consummated on Monday: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1286298 Popping over to the FCC's Call Sign Query, it looks like the call change from WGIP to WXEX took effect the same day... From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sat Mar 14 20:51:13 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:51:13 -0400 Subject: Radio Jobs References: <304584.46712.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48691F7BD5214471888EE7177E4637C8@teddesktop> Hi Phyllis Sales is about the only way to go in these times. It worked well for me after I stopped being on-air. In general it's far more lucrative even though "on-air" sounds more glamorous. Good Luck, Ted Larsen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Radio Jobs > > Hi, > > As someone who has always loved Radio, I'm considering the idea of finding > some sort of a job in it. I am not a broadcaster (although I'm getting > some volunteer experience) or a sound engineer/producer (I wish!) But I'm > unemployed, so I'm wondering how I might leverage this list to find some > contacts at Boston area stations that might need an admin asst or even a > receptionist (typist, computer person, etc). > > Is that a pipe dream? Does anyone on this list have any advice they could > share? I know it's not the best of times, but I figured it wouldn't hurt > to ask. > > I am currently a volunteer at a station in Worcester, but it's all > volunteer and while I love the opportunity to get experience there, I > can't drive there on a daily basis, plus at some point I need to find a > paying job. > > You can email me privately if you prefer. > > Thank you, > Phyllis > > > > > From Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org Sun Mar 15 10:22:22 2009 From: Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org (Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:22:22 -1000 Subject: WWHK In-Reply-To: <9AD5AD39-2091-4F27-9E8F-9C96BE5D555A@charter.net> Message-ID: I see Birch broadcasting of State College PA,has agreed to buy WWHK(was wkxl-fm). Does anyone have a guess what format they will try and when they'll be back on the air? From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 21:46:35 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWHK - Birch broadcasting of State College PA Message-ID: <568360.23842.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What would the new format be? ? My guess would be Amish. ? ? John B ? ? From paul@derrynh.net Sun Mar 15 23:44:42 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:44:42 -0400 Subject: WWHK - Birch broadcasting of State College PA In-Reply-To: <568360.23842.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <568360.23842.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98B50BB3F8784504937DD5A2ECCF6FAE@PaulPC> Or all Penn State all ther time! -Paul H (I think State College is a little west of Amish Country) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: WWHK - Birch broadcasting of State College PA What would the new format be? My guess would be Amish. John B From dave@skywaves.net Mon Mar 16 00:11:24 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:11:24 -0400 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com> > "music to which it's fun to listen" ???? :-) A better solution would be to find a phrase that, while correct, delivers the message. That is often a difficult proposition, but in this case it is easy: Reduce the phrase to the key point: "Music that's fun." Given the medium and the product, "to listen to" is redundant. "Music that's fun" is perfectly pithy. "Music that's fun to listen to" drags on for at least a second longer than necessary. You can emphasize "music" and "fun" in the former; but the emphasis in the latter is naturally on "music," with the remainder tossed out as an afterthought, completely burying the emphasis on "fun." "AM1540: Music that's fun" connects the station with music and fun. That's about all you can hope to do with a slogan. "AM1540: Music that's fun to listen to" connects the station with music. It dilutes the fun aspect, thereby diluting the message. KISS. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cohasset / Hippisley" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >>> -Then there's the slogan: >> "music that's fun to listen to". Apparently the new owners don't >> realize >> that you're not supposed to use a preposition to end a sentence with. >> [sic] > > > "music to which it's fun to listen" ???? > From sid@wrko.com Mon Mar 16 07:15:33 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:15:33 -0600 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? In-Reply-To: <1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com> References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A340045A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>A better solution would be to find a phrase that, while correct, delivers the message.<< An even better solution would be to stop trying to enforce non-existent rules of grammar. Radio isn't a second-grade English lesson, and there's nothing whatsoever wrong with talking the way normal people talk. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 16 08:03:38 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:03:38 -0400 Subject: WWHK References: Message-ID: <3FFF0620BFDC45F58E8D5A577ACB8780@SatU205S5044> Most of Pennsylvania's Amish live in a different part of the state from State College. My understanding is that Amish country is near Lancaster and York, which are about 100 miles southeast of State College. It's not that the area around State College wants for protestants of unusual denominations--it's strong fundamentalist country--very conservative--but I do not believe that many residents of the State College-Bellefonte area are Amish. I assume that you felt that besides being funny because any reference to the Amish would be funny, you were also joking because many Amish are proscribed by their religion from owning--or even listening to--radios. Indiana also has a large Amish population. A couple of weeks ago, NPR aired an interview with a bank president in an Amish community in Indiana. The bank president was not himself Amish but his bank does a lot of business with Amish people. He says that defaults and even late payments on loans and mortgages are just unheard of in his community. Moreover, even though Indiana's unemplyment rate is several points higher than the national average, his bank is thriving! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: WWHK >I see Birch broadcasting of State College PA,has agreed to buy >WWHK(was > wkxl-fm). Does anyone have a guess what format they will try and > when > they'll be back on the air? > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 11:01:17 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WWHK - Amish Message-ID: <443600.46806.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I was being absurd. The open ended question lent to a snappy response. ?I have college?friends that I have visited often in both the Three Mile Island and State College area, and I have been in the Amish Country? (Pennsylvania Deutsch)?quite often, and once in Indiana. ? It wouldn't have been as?absurd if I had said a "Shaker" format, although Canterbury Shaker Community is within listening range of Exeter.?The Shakers were one of the first adopters of electricity in their communities, and were some of the first to own radios for listening to farm reports and news from outside their community. ? John B ? From phylo1@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 13:23:21 2009 From: phylo1@yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Jobs- thanks Message-ID: <712082.90579.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just wanted to say thanks to those of you who responded to my question. I've never imagined myself doing sales...although i worked in a sales organization for a long time and have made cold calls and such myself. I was really just thinking about general office work. I read about WNSH though - they are looking for sales people. I had no idea this station existed. Unemployment is tough on the psyche, especially now, so we are all just trying to get out there and talk to people, ask questions, and learn. Again, thank you all, Phyllis From lglavin@mail.com Mon Mar 16 15:32:14 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:32:14 -0500 Subject: WWHK - Birch broadcasting of State College PA Message-ID: <20090316193214.7413D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: "John Bolduc" , boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WWHK - Birch broadcasting of State College PA >Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:44:42 -0400 >Or all Penn State all ther time! >-Paul H >(I think State College is a little west of Amish Country) Whatever the format, Elliot Abrams will probably do the weather. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 16 16:50:21 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: Imus has cancer Message-ID: <4fc429770903161350t3b214881r747db590a11bfbfa@mail.gmail.com> Don Imus on his show Monday morning said he has cancer but exects a full recovery. Best wishes http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6711825&rss=rss-wabc-article-6711825 From dave@skywaves.net Mon Mar 16 21:18:45 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:18:45 -0400 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com><1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A340045A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: I work in radio too, Sid. Sorry if I sounded like I was preaching or speaking to second graders. That wasn't my intention at all. As you know, it's often very hard to find a catchy phrase that provides both effective, memorable, presentation and good marketing. This one was just SO easy to fix by applying second grade grammar, I could not resist. mea culpa. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: RE: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? >>A better solution would be to find a phrase that, while correct, delivers the message.<< An even better solution would be to stop trying to enforce non-existent rules of grammar. Radio isn't a second-grade English lesson, and there's nothing whatsoever wrong with talking the way normal people talk. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 16 23:01:18 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:01:18 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> As of this afternoon, Monday 3/16/2009. WUNR, WRCA, and WKOX are operating at full CP power. Where I live (Arlington Heights, near Lexington, ~1/2 mile north of Route 2) WUNR is decidedly the weakest of the three. Based on the patterns, that's as it is supposed to be. At this location, a little less than nine miles pretty much due north of the Newton site, WUNR's 20 kW signal is supposed to be a little weaker than its old 5 kW signal. I didn't think it would be as much weaker as it seems to be, though. And although I have never heard WKOX as clearly here at night as I am hearing it now, I had expected better. The 50 kW night signal is supposed to be ~13 to 14 mV/m. To me it doesn't sound quite that strong. I could believe 8 to 10 mV/m, however. WRCA, with the lowest night power of the three stations (17 kW), is the only pleasant surprise. WRCA's night pattern is rather wide, which partially explains the good night signal to the north. Also, co-channel WWRV in New York is apparently operating within spec, whereas I question whether that is true of WWRL New York, which is co-channel with WUNR. On paper, WRCA's NIF is higher than WUNR's. In practice, I doubt whether that is the case. I suspect that before too long, WRCA and WKOX will put IBOC on the air (bye bye, WPHT). I don't think WUNR has any such plans. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 16 23:17:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:17:52 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770903162017s7dd83fd9l8e8eb2ecc1295c9e@mail.gmail.com> So when all is said and done how much do you think the transmitter move and upgrade copst? My friends who listen to Phillies games on 1210 will not be happy. From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Mar 16 23:36:09 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:36:09 -0400 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? In-Reply-To: References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com><1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A340045A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49BF1AA9.6020204@gabrielmass.com> I must be some terrible pedant, 'cause the slogan seemed jarring to me too. "Music that's fun to listen"? I don't believe that normal people talk that way: "I got a copy of their new CD. It's fun to listen." Nah. On the other hand, *I* listen music all the time, especially in the car when I drive work, or at night before I go bed. --RC From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 16 13:48:09 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:48:09 -0500 Subject: AM 1540, Exeter, NH Ready For Switch? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A340045A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20090313214259.D36781CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>, <1DACBA42D11B4438BB804D78B6117746@skywaves.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A340045A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49BE4A89.9043.364E19@joe.attorneyross.com> On 16 Mar 2009 at 5:15, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>A better solution would be to find a phrase that, while correct, > >>delivers > the message.<< > > An even better solution would be to stop trying to enforce > non-existent rules of grammar. Radio isn't a second-grade English > lesson, and there's nothing whatsoever wrong with talking the way > normal people talk. The supposed rule about not ending sentences with a preposition was never really a rule of English grammar. It was a construct of 19th Century grammarians who were trying to make English grammar more like Latin. Someone is supposed to have criticized Winston Churchill for ending a sentence with a preposition. His reply: "This is an impudence up with which I shall not put!" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 05:02:29 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:02:29 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770903170202j2bc20d8ak8d23d9156fdf6fc@mail.gmail.com> So when all is said and done how much do you think the transmitter move and upgrade copst? My friends who listen to Phillies games on 1210 will not be happy. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 17 08:04:33 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:04:33 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> <1765520297-1237259577-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107064434-@bxe1239.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Your guess is as good as mine. I have no inside info on the costs. But considering that the WKOX upgrade can be traced back a minimum of 14 years, I suspect that the project cost many millions--maybe $10 million or more. (1995 was when WNSW 1200 Brewer ME went dark. WKOX's then owner, Fairbanks Communications, had bought WNSW with the idea of taking it dark to allow the WKOX upgrade. I have no idea just how much before WNSW went dark Fairbanks had started negotiations to buy the station; but in my mind, the start of those negotiations marked the start of the project. That's when the legal and consulting engineering costs began to mount.) There were many, many proposed transmitter sites for WKOX before the new (and current) owner, Clear Channel, turned all of its energies toward the WUNR site. And then there was the long, long legal wrangle with the know-nothing Newton NIMBYs and even problems with getting N-Star to bring the requisite electric service to the site. Allocating the costs among three stations makes the cost per station seem less absurd and if the $10 million figure is even close, the $3.3 million cost per station is probably still less than the cost of buying any of the three high-powered AM licenses--even in this current era of deeply depressed station prices. Nevertheless, the long and costly saga is an object lesson on the deep pockets and great patience required by the terrestrial radio business in the 21st century. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 17 16:23:07 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:23:07 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power References: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <264D274E8FF64EC2BE6E4E5F265CE58C@SatU205S5044> What are you doing Laurence? Is this an attempt at Internet forgery? You've grafted a header from one of my messages onto the body of a message that YOU obviously wrote. The give-away is your snide use of "Pahkway," a ridicule of Boston-eze that I don't think I've ever used. Are you trying to make it appear that your message came from me? If you are trying to say that you don't believe what I said in my message, be my guest, but don't try to spoof a message from me! As for the truth of my message, since I erroneously pulled the trigger on announcing that WKOX/WRCA/WUNR were operating at full power several months before it really happened and had to apologize for spreading misinformation, I became very sensitive to the need to check out my allegations before posting any more such messages. Rest assured that, before I posted my most recent message on this subject, I contacted, and got confirmation from an individual who works in an engineering capacity for two of the three stations. That happened yesterday, Monday, 3/16/09, in the afternoon. This time there is no doubt that the three stations are operating at full power. As for consumer radios with AM signal-strength meters, I have a CC Radio Plus. I got it about nine months ago when my Super Radio III died. The CC Radio has a visual AM signal-strength display (bars at the right side of the digital display). The bar display is not reliable. In fact it is nearly as unreliable as the meter on the decades-old Pioneer receiver in my living room stereo system. Dollar for dollar, the Pioneer's AM section is probably the worst ever manufactured. I'm sure that there must be communication receivers that have reliable AM signal-strength displays, but put me down as a skeptic about AM signal-strength displays on consumer products. If I ever again think that I have found one, I will have to live with it for a few weeks before I even begin to have faith in the readings. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Cc: "Bob Carpenter" ; "Glen Clark" ; "Riggs, Steve" ; "Peter Haas" ; "Anderton, J T" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Cc: "Bob Carpenter" , "Glen Clark" , "Riggs, Steve" , "Peter Haas" , >"Anderton, J T" >Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:01:18 -0400 If they are currently (that is, mid-day) running their patterns according to their CP's for nighttime operation (noting that WUNR-AM is DA-1), WKOX and WRCA are only marginally stronger than they have been since moving to 750 Sawmill Brook Pahkway. I have a good radio with a display of relative signal strength and I intend to watch it at 6:45 pm tonight, assuming the're not swamped by skywave even before sunset. (Hey, what's wrong with the Sun these days...I get skywave all over the place for a couple of hours after sunrise and ditto late in the afternoon! Is there something going on, or more properly NOT going on up there?) There was a day in January when I did observe WKOX seemingly operating with the signal strength I'm observing today; the next day, it went back to 10KW directional with the signal it previously displayed. Will today's signal be permanent, at least at night...and will there be more changes during the day? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From sid@wrko.com Tue Mar 17 17:23:30 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:23:30 -0600 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <264D274E8FF64EC2BE6E4E5F265CE58C@SatU205S5044> References: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <264D274E8FF64EC2BE6E4E5F265CE58C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2F962AE@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I'm sure that there must be communication receivers that have reliable AM signal-strength displays, but put me down as a skeptic about AM signal-strength displays on consumer products. If I ever again think that I have found one, I will have to live with it for a few weeks before I even begin to have faith in the readings.<< After using a FIM, I won't go back...expensive, but trustworthy. :-) Can you borrow one? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Mar 17 17:30:00 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:30:00 EDT Subject: Imus as cancer Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2009 12:03:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: "Don Imus on his show Monday morning said he has cancer but exects a full recovery." He has an entire wing in Hackensack Medical Center for kids in addition to his ranch. Huge sign with his name on it. Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From glen@clarkcom.com Tue Mar 17 08:10:10 2009 From: glen@clarkcom.com (Glen Clark) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:10:10 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> <1765520297-1237259577-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107064434-@bxe1239.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hi Dan: That silence you hear is me not disagreeing with most of your conclusions. - Glen On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Your guess is as good as mine. I have no inside info on the costs. But > considering that the WKOX upgrade can be traced back a minimum of 14 > years, I suspect that the project cost many millions--maybe $10 > million or more. (1995 was when WNSW 1200 Brewer ME went dark. WKOX's > then owner, Fairbanks Communications, had bought WNSW with the idea of > taking it dark to allow the WKOX upgrade. I have no idea just how much > before WNSW went dark Fairbanks had started negotiations to buy the > station; but in my mind, the start of those negotiations marked the > start of the project. That's when the legal and consulting engineering > costs began to mount.) There were many, many proposed transmitter > sites for WKOX before the new (and current) owner, Clear Channel, > turned all of its energies toward the WUNR site. And then there was > the long, long legal wrangle with the know-nothing Newton NIMBYs and > even problems with getting N-Star to bring the requisite electric > service to the site. > > Allocating the costs among three stations makes the cost per station > seem less absurd and if the $10 million figure is even close, the $3.3 > million cost per station is probably still less than the cost of > buying any of the three high-powered AM licenses--even in this current > era of deeply depressed station prices. Nevertheless, the long and > costly saga is an object lesson on the deep pockets and great patience > required by the terrestrial radio business in the 21st century. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 From glen@clarkcom.com Tue Mar 17 12:22:31 2009 From: glen@clarkcom.com (Glen Clark) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:22:31 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <49BFB979.3070506@comcast.net> References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> <1765520297-1237259577-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107064434-@bxe1239.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <49BFB979.3070506@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:53 AM, r.j.carpenter wrote: > I'm still somewhat surprised that people are willing to spend a lot > on AM these days. It helps to remember the gestation period for an AM buildout. I was going to zoning and wetland hearings in Newton when Bill Clinton was still in the White house. (The project went from our office to Ben Dawson when Fairbanks sold WKOX to Clear Channel). It's not clear that this project would be funded if it was new today. > The Baltimore move to 1370 with two sites, six towers each, 50 kW > days, must have cost a pretty penny just as few years ago. At least > the company owned the night site, formerly WCBM's. Many AM projects are, at the core, real estate deals. Despite going from 4 towers to 6 towers, the acreage required for the WWLG night array was a fraction of the acreage liberated by the removal of the WCBM array. And land adjacent to an interchange off of I-795 at Owings Mills had a much higher per-acre cost than the rural location where we relocated the 680 kHz array. With best regards, - Glen From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 17 14:58:58 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:58:58 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Cc: "Bob Carpenter" , "Glen Clark" , "Riggs, Steve" , "Peter Haas" , "Anderton, J T" >Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:01:18 -0400 If they are currently (that is, mid-day) running their patterns according to their CP's for nighttime operation (noting that WUNR-AM is DA-1), WKOX and WRCA are only marginally stronger than they have been since moving to 750 Sawmill Brook Pahkway. I have a good radio with a display of relative signal strength and I intend to watch it at 6:45 pm tonight, assuming the're not swamped by skywave even before sunset. (Hey, what's wrong with the Sun these days...I get skywave all over the place for a couple of hours after sunrise and ditto late in the afternoon! Is there something going on, or more properly NOT going on up there?) There was a day in January when I did observe WKOX seemingly operating with the signal strength I'm observing today; the next day, it went back to 10KW directional with the signal it previously displayed. Will today's signal be permanent, at least at night...and will there be more changes during the day? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 17 16:52:18 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:52:18 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <20090317205218.AC022BE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:23:07 -0400 >What are you doing Laurence? Is this an attempt at Internet forgery? >You've grafted a header from one of my messages onto the body of a >message that YOU obviously wrote. Maybe I should have kept maybe one sentence from the original post to show it was a reply, but I thought the 'RE:' would be enough. The content consisted of MY experience twenty-five miles away from 750 Sawmill Brook. I used the term "relative signal strength", meaning that a given signal seems stronger than the day before, or relative to some other station. Ever since WKOX moved to Newton, it has been a notch or two weaker than WTTT/WWDJ-AM 1150; today it was a skosh stronger...not so hot for a 50K signal. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From rcarpen@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 10:53:45 2009 From: rcarpen@comcast.net (r.j.carpenter) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:53:45 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> <1765520297-1237259577-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107064434-@bxe1239.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <49BFB979.3070506@comcast.net> I'm still somewhat surprised that people are willing to spend a lot on AM these days. Even the impending WAGE move to 1190 and increase day power to 50kW looks to cost a lot before they finally go on. I don't think they've even started the serious FAA and NIMBY games. The Baltimore move to 1370 with two sites, six towers each, 50 kW days, must have cost a pretty penny just as few years ago. At least the company owned the night site, formerly WCBM's. bob c. From rcarpen@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 13:52:20 2009 From: rcarpen@comcast.net (r.j.carpenter) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:52:20 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: References: <6EFB102AEBBF4BEE86CE4D212738F4BE@SatU205S5044> <1765520297-1237259577-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1107064434-@bxe1239.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <49BFB979.3070506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49BFE354.2090802@comcast.net> Glen Clark wrote: > Many AM projects are, at the core, real estate > deals. Despite going from 4 towers to 6 towers, > the acreage required for the WWLG night array > was a fraction of the acreage liberated by the > removal of the WCBM array. And land adjacent > to an interchange off of I-795 at Owings Mills > had a much higher per-acre cost than the rural > location where we relocated the 680 kHz array. I must say that the new WCBM site and installation are very impressive. It looks like a fairly upscale (but low density) area. Such wide spacing on 680 sure occupies a lot of real estate. New arrays a third of a mile long must be rare these days. bob c. From rcarpen@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 15:36:29 2009 From: rcarpen@comcast.net (r.j.carpenter) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:36:29 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49BFFBBD.9030307@comcast.net> > (Hey, what's wrong with the Sun these days...I get skywave all over > the place for a couple of hours after sunrise and ditto late in the > afternoon! Is there something going on, or more properly NOT going > on up there?) Very low solar activity, nearly zero sunspot numbers = daytime skywave, especially near the top of the AM band. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 17 18:59:23 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:59:23 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903171559k532748edq469b59bffd5d6950@mail.gmail.com> I do know for a FACT that WUNR 1600 is operating on it's new 20KW power as called for in the CP. Paul Walker On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dan.Strassberg" > >To: "Boston Radio Interest" > >Cc: "Bob Carpenter" , "Glen Clark" , "Riggs, Steve" , "Peter Haas" , > "Anderton, J T" > >Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:01:18 -0400 > > If they are currently (that is, mid-day) running their patterns according > to > their CP's for nighttime operation (noting that WUNR-AM is DA-1), WKOX and > WRCA are > only marginally stronger than they have been since moving to 750 Sawmill > Brook Pahkway. > I have a good radio with a display of relative signal strength and I intend > to watch it > at 6:45 pm tonight, assuming the're not swamped by skywave even before > sunset. (Hey, > what's wrong with the Sun these days...I get skywave all over the place for > a couple > of hours after sunrise and ditto late in the afternoon! Is there something > going on, > or more properly NOT going on up there?) There was a day in January when I > did observe WKOX > seemingly operating with the signal strength I'm observing today; the next > day, it > went back to 10KW directional with the signal it previously displayed. > Will today's signal > be permanent, at least at night...and will there be more changes during the > day? > > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 19:01:07 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:01:07 -0500 Subject: boys will be boys deparment Message-ID: <4fc429770903171601p160b95cch449d89fe28ea3aba@mail.gmail.com> If we thought Howie and Tom had a feud Imus has taken it to a new level over at 96.9 by telling Jay to leave his remote or he would shoot him Can we have a duel at high noon on Boston Common? http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1159277 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Mar 17 20:18:34 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:18:34 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power References: <20090317185858.EABEC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <264D274E8FF64EC2BE6E4E5F265CE58C@SatU205S5044> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2F962AE@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <8CB62FA463224B2080305A6599C3E96C@SatU205S5044> But to get accurate readings from an FIM don't you need to be out of doors, away from the power lines inside of a house (and probably even away from phone lines--because they can reradiate too)? I suspect that a lot of the problems I've experienced with field-strength indicators on consumer receivers were the result of attempting to take readings indoors. I suspect that if I had an FIM and I insisted on using it indoors, I might not do much, if any, better with repeatability than I have done with consumer radios. I have trouble envisioning myself with a sleeping bag and my FIM camping out in the middle of the playground behind my property. The playground is, however, the only place I can think of in a half-mile radius of my house that is likely to be far enough from power and phone lines to permit repeatable--even if not accurate--readings. Also, the playground is usually occupied during the day (well, maybe not so much in the dead of winter--especially when it's covered with a foot or more of snow). But the likelihood of being hit by a baseball probably limits the playgound's usefulness for daytime measurements in good weather. And I think that the signs say that, at night, the police don't want you to be in the playground. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: RE: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >>I'm sure that there must be communication receivers that have reliable AM signal-strength displays, but put me down as a skeptic about AM signal-strength displays on consumer products. If I ever again think that I have found one, I will have to live with it for a few weeks before I even begin to have faith in the readings.<< After using a FIM, I won't go back...expensive, but trustworthy. :-) Can you borrow one? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040= From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 08:00:53 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WUNI 27.2 Message-ID: <487666.45524.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WUNI Worcester has taken the color bars off of 27.2 and is now broadcasting something called LATV. It seems to be mostly music videos, and dubbed versions of infomercials. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:12:56 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:12:56 -0500 Subject: WUNI 27.2 In-Reply-To: <487666.45524.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <487666.45524.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903180512k220b90c9x8067b30178d3558f@mail.gmail.com> And here's the affiliate list for "LATV" http://www.latv.com/affiliates3.asp I think LATV is geared towatds alternative lifestyles, as least from what I was able to gather from a friend who saw it a few weeks ago. Paul Walker On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > WUNI Worcester has taken the color bars off of 27.2 and is now broadcasting > something called LATV. It seems to be mostly music videos, and dubbed > versions of infomercials. > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Mar 18 09:00:43 2009 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB75E0AE6E4482-1F68-10E7@WEBMAIL-DZ08.sysops.aol.com> << From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power This time there is no doubt that the three stations are operating at full power. >> At night, none of these signals is impressive here at the southern end of Billerica (Pinehurst area, less than a mile from jct. Routes 62 and 3A; 15 miles northwest of downtown Boston and about 8 miles north of Dan's location in Arlington Heights). WKOX-1200 is the best of the three.? Strength is similar to that of WWDJ-1150 and WMKI-1260 so that would put it around 1.6 mV/m (64 dBu) based on V-Soft night numbers for zipcode 01866 (P.O. half a mile from the house).? That is only about 4 dB better than the old Framingham night signal (given as 59.9 dBu).? The station is listenable though there is occasional background intrusion of CFGO Ottawa and a bit of WPHT-1210's IBOC hash.? Similar-strength 1150 has some French Canadian chatter behind and 1260 has the New Brunswick country station at times.? So none of those?64 dBu?guys is really a full quality night local like 680 at 115 dBu, 850 at 84 dBu, 590 at 80 dBu, or 1030 at 78 dBu. WRCA-1330 is not as good as it was from Waltham.? The co-channel New Yorker gives it a lot of grief.? An average listener would not put up with that. WUNR-1600 is the worst.? Unless a radio is pointed just the right way, I'm finding that WWRL from NYC often dominates.? This is poorer than when it was running 5 kW FROM THE SAME SITE !? On one of the weeknights around 8 p.m. I used to listen to an Irish show that was on WUNR.? If driving home from Boston via 93, 128, and Winn Street to 3A, the 1600 signal hung in quite well right up to the Winn Street / 3A junction in Burlington and was still OK - albeit with some NY intrusion - two miles farther north at my house.? With the present signal, I won't be able to enjoy the WUNR Irish show (assuming it's still on) until May or June when sunset is after 8 p.m. << As for consumer radios with AM signal-strength meters, I have a CC Radio Plus. I got it about nine months ago when my Super Radio III died. The CC Radio has a visual AM signal-strength display (bars at the right side of the digital display). The bar display is not reliable. In fact it is nearly as unreliable as the meter on the decades-old Pioneer receiver in my living room stereo system. Dollar for dollar, the Pioneer's AM section is probably the worst ever manufactured. I'm sure that there must be communication receivers that have reliable AM signal-strength displays, but put me down as a skeptic about AM signal-strength displays on consumer products. If I ever again think that I have found one, I will have to live with it for a few weeks before I even begin to have faith in the readings >> The WinRadio, Perseus, and RF Space SDR-IQ / SDR-14 DSP-based communications receivers have spectrum displays with signals shown quite accurately in dBm.? These are receivers which operate off a host computer.? A Google search will bring up all you need to know. There are also standalone receivers (actually mostly modern ham transceivers with general coverage receivers) that accurately display dBm or Vrms input level as well as the more traditional "S-units". The big problem is the antenna being used.? To get something that gives you reasonable accuracy, the antenna must have a relatively flat response (or at least a linear slope that can be calibrated) over the 530-1710 kHz frequency range.? The antenna should present a resistive 50 to 75 ohm broadband impedance to the receiver's RF input jack.? It should also be non-directional. Active whip antennas such as the MFJ-1024 ("http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1024") can be useful since the high impedance of the short vertical element is applied to a buffer amplifier to convert to 50 ohms out.? Over the AM broadcast band, sensitivity is a bit less at the bottom of the dial that at the top, but the gain plot is a relatively linear one (y=mx+b as you'd remember from school days) and, when compared to V-Soft's values for the same site, can have strength accuracy transferred to measured signals by a simple formula that can be plugged into an Excel spreadsheet or handheld calculator. I have done tests here as well as at Menotomy Rocks Park (Arlington), Granite Pier (Rockport), and a couple of other sites with computed daytime groundwave measurements lining up pretty well with the V-Soft numbers. One problem with active antennas is that they can be overloaded when operated close to transmitting sites.? I'm 3 miles from WRKO-680 and hearing them come out on 1360, 2040, etc. with various active antennas is not unusual. The other thing is that you do have to perform these measurements outdoors a fair distance from buildings and powerlines.? Parking lots in commercial areas or backyards in residential area would typically be preferable to on-street measurement sites.? Not only can powerlines and structures weaken the signals and add noise, they can also distort the directionality of pick-up: weakening stations from some directions more than from others. Even with a super-accurate FIM, the choice of an appropriate field site is necessary.? Indoor measurements are seldom an option, even at relatively benign wooden structures.? Pipes, power conduits, heating ducts, and the like will distort the pick-up pattern even if noise or overall attenuation aren't that bad. For the same reason, direction-finding with a loop is seldom that accurate if done indoors. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA? From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Mar 18 09:39:02 2009 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:39:02 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <8CB75E608BCF802-15FC-3493@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> Somehow extra question marks got added to my last message. AOL did something screwy lately. Sorry about that. Mark From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 18 15:19:06 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:19:06 -0400 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate Message-ID: <49C1492A.60705@ttlc.net> Apparently it takes a long time to nab a pirate. R&R reports that the FCC sparred for almost 3 years with one Steven Skaleki of Milwaukee for "willfully & repeatedly" broadcasting without a license. Now that situation is under control, I wonder if Boston is next on the FCC's list? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Mar 18 17:30:12 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:30:12 -0400 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate In-Reply-To: <49C1492A.60705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1B019A7A48284784BA78CB7A9CE8F8C0@DHPP0DB1> > Apparently it takes a long time to nab a pirate. > > R&R reports that the FCC sparred for almost 3 years with one Steven > Skaleki of Milwaukee for "willfully & repeatedly" broadcasting without a > license. > > Now that situation is under control, I wonder if Boston is next on the > FCC's list? Just about all of the big pirates in Boston have been found, and "fined" $10,000. They rarely collect the money, and obviously they're all still on the air. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sid@wrko.com Wed Mar 18 15:33:26 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:33:26 -0600 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate In-Reply-To: <49C1492A.60705@ttlc.net> References: <49C1492A.60705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A3524275@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>R&R reports that the FCC sparred for almost 3 years with one Steven Skaleki of Milwaukee for "willfully & repeatedly" broadcasting without a license. Now that situation is under control, I wonder if Boston is next on the FCC's list?<< Doubtful. The situation in New York City and south Florida is way out of control. Pirates are now operating in those two areas on first-adjacent channels to licensed stations. What's going on in Boston is relatively tame (for now). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Mar 18 19:55:21 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:55:21 -0400 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate In-Reply-To: <20090318220027.BF8CC606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090318220027.BF8CC606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49C189E9.1080506@ttlc.net> Bud Torchia wrote: > Roger ... living in central Maine, not familiar with the Pirates > in metro Boston. How many are there? > Bud > I'm not sure of the number, but there are others on this list that have posted over the past few months about various & sundry pirates in and around the Hub. I hope they will chime in with some numbers. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Mar 18 20:14:58 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:14:58 -0400 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate In-Reply-To: <49C189E9.1080506@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <0F9487421B654EBFA6F6551443D115A1@DHPP0DB1> In Boston, there are usually pirates on 88.5, 89.3, 96.5, 98.9, 100.3, 101.3 (the strongest one), 102.1, 102.9, 105.3, 106.1, 107.1, and 107.5. On AM, just about every expanded band freq has one on it, and there have also been pirates on 720, 870, and 1580 in the past. I'm not sure of the status of most of the AMs these days. In Brockton, there's pirates on 89.3 (which is actually a 3 station simulcast with Brockton, Randolph, and Mattapan), 94.9, 96.5, and 104.3 (first adjacent to WBCN). On AM, there's 1670, 1690, and 1710. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kenwvt@gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:02:10 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:02:10 +0000 Subject: Long Island Radio and TV day Message-ID: <0015175746149513c40465588ec7@google.com> In case anyone is interested: --------------------------------------------- Long Island Radio & TV Day Featured Speakers: John Leita, Investigative Reporter ? LI radio history including Camp Hero legends ? 12 noon Marc Seifer, Author, ?The Life & Times of Nikola Tesla? -Biography of a Genius ? 1 pm Saturday, April 18th ? 10 am ? 4 pm Tilles Center Atrium CW Post Campus ? Long Island University ? 720 Northern Blvd, Brookville, NY Presented by Long Island Wireless Historical Society & WCWP Radio Featured Performances Miss Gloria Parker, ?The Yasha Haifitz of the musical glasses? -Woody Allen ? 11 am & 1 pm The Theremin ? The first electronic music instrument ? Performed by Kip Rosser ? 12 noon & 2 pm Prime Time Radio ? A look back at the Golden Age of Radio ? Performed by Herb Norman ? 2 pm ?Meet and Greet? radio and TV personalities -and people behind the scenes ? 10 am?12 noon Richard Rose & Michelle Imperato, WLNY TV10/55 ? Ken Grimball, News12 ? Bonnie Grice, WLIU/88.3 ? John Bohannan ? Ray Adell Will Hutchins, ?Sugarfoot? ? Betsy Palmer, ?I?ve Got a Secret? ? Ted David WINS, News12 ? Mitch Lebe ? Kathy Cunningham ? Roger Luce, WBAB/102.3 Johnny Donovan, WABC ? Victoria Crosby, WHPC ? Jack Kratoville, WLTW ? Ron Parker, WCBS-FM ? Russ Skadl, WXBA ? Mark Laura, WSHR Marc Coppola ? Keith Allen, WBZO ? Mike Erickson, CBS Radio ? Howie Zeidman, Alan Needleman, ?One Life to Live? ? Barbara Stein, Model Agent Rich Conaty, WFUV ? Eliot Goshman, News12 Traffic ? Chris Kozak, ?The Voice that Sells? ? Bill Sobel, Sobel Media ? Don Tandler, ?The Survey Guys? Ellis Henican, Newsday ? Martin Phillips ABC?s 20/20 Show Information: Long Island Wireless Historical Society www.liwhs.org 631-378-4564 Travel instructions: Tilles Center www.tillescenter.org LIE Exit 39N (Glen Cove Rd) to Northern Blvd East 1.7 miles to Tilles Center sign Rt 107 to Northern Blvd West .6 mile to Tilles Center sign Admission $10 Under 12 Free Food Court Open for lunch & snacks Exhibitors and Displays: Tours of WCWP Radio Benjamin Abrams Communications Center Long Island wireless, radio and television history Long Island Wireless Historical Society Sayville Historical Society Rocky Point Historical Society Freeport Historical Society, WGBB Long Island Broadcasters Wireless (LIBW) Antique radios and equipment for sale Friends of Science East Sarnoff Library Telecare WLIU/88.3 Telephone history display Long Island Telephone Pioneers Old-time radio shows for sale Radio Spirits Ham Radio LIMARC ?Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club GSBARC ?Great South Bay Amateur Radio Club The Radio Club of Junior High School 22 Amateur TV ?Jerry Mehrab, WA2FNQ Community Radio Stations WSHR, WXBA American Red Cross Mobile Disaster Communications Van Crystal Radio Display Fire Island Lighthouse Fair Media Council From lglavin@mail.com Wed Mar 18 15:36:59 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:36:59 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <20090318193659.2CF04BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: markwa1ion@aol.com >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:39:02 -0400 >Somehow extra question marks got added to my last message. AOL did >something screwy lately. Sorry about that. >Mark Oh, and I thought you had been playing a lot of"Question Mark & The Mysterians" records (are there more than one?) at your latest gig. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Wed Mar 18 17:21:43 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:21:43 -0500 Subject: WUNI 27.2 Message-ID: <20090318212143.5C1DCBE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maureen Carney" >To: "Boston Radio Group" >Subject: WUNI 27.2 >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT) >WUNI Worcester has taken the color bars off of 27.2 and is now >broadcasting something called LATV. It seems to be mostly music >videos, and dubbed versions of infomercials. When I turn my digital-to-analog box off, I then receive over-the-air channels as usual on my tabletop TV. It appears that WUNI-TV analog on channel 27 is absent...is it because they've turned off the analog transmitter entirely, or like WFXT and WGBX, they're running their analog transmitter at low power? Can someone closer to the 27/29 tower check it out? (WUNI-DT comes in like a local where I live, one of the best signals on the dial.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From torchia@technologist.com Wed Mar 18 18:00:27 2009 From: torchia@technologist.com (Bud Torchia) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:00:27 -0500 Subject: $10K FCC Fine For Broadcasting Pirate Message-ID: <20090318220027.BF8CC606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Roger ... living in central Maine, not familiar with the Pirates in metro Boston. How many are there? Bud -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Mar 18 21:00:36 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:00:36 -0400 Subject: Long Island Radio and TV day References: <0015175746149513c40465588ec7@google.com> Message-ID: It would be a blast if something like this could be done in New England sometime. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "B-R-I" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: Long Island Radio and TV day > In case anyone is interested: > --------------------------------------------- > > Long Island Radio & TV Day > > Featured Speakers: > > John Leita, Investigative Reporter ? LI radio history including Camp Hero > legends ? 12 noon > Marc Seifer, Author, ?The Life & Times of Nikola Tesla? -Biography of a > Genius ? 1 pm > > Saturday, April 18th ? 10 am ? 4 pm > Tilles Center Atrium > CW Post Campus ? Long Island University ? 720 Northern Blvd, Brookville, > NY > Presented by > Long Island Wireless Historical Society > & > WCWP Radio > > Featured Performances > Miss Gloria Parker, ?The Yasha Haifitz of the musical glasses? -Woody > Allen ? 11 am & 1 pm > The Theremin ? The first electronic music instrument ? Performed by Kip > Rosser ? 12 noon & 2 pm > Prime Time Radio ? A look back at the Golden Age of Radio ? Performed by > Herb Norman ? 2 pm > > ?Meet and Greet? radio and TV personalities -and people behind the > scenes ? 10 am?12 noon > Richard Rose & Michelle Imperato, WLNY TV10/55 ? Ken Grimball, News12 ? > Bonnie Grice, WLIU/88.3 ? John Bohannan ? Ray Adell > Will Hutchins, ?Sugarfoot? ? Betsy Palmer, ?I?ve Got a Secret? ? Ted David > WINS, News12 ? Mitch Lebe ? Kathy Cunningham ? Roger Luce, WBAB/102.3 > Johnny Donovan, WABC ? Victoria Crosby, WHPC ? Jack Kratoville, WLTW ? Ron > Parker, WCBS-FM ? Russ Skadl, WXBA ? Mark Laura, WSHR > Marc Coppola ? Keith Allen, WBZO ? Mike Erickson, CBS Radio ? Howie > Zeidman, Alan Needleman, ?One Life to Live? ? Barbara Stein, Model Agent > Rich Conaty, WFUV ? Eliot Goshman, News12 Traffic ? Chris Kozak, ?The > Voice that Sells? ? Bill Sobel, Sobel Media ? Don Tandler, ?The Survey > Guys? > Ellis Henican, Newsday ? Martin Phillips ABC?s 20/20 > > Show Information: > Long Island Wireless Historical Society > www.liwhs.org > 631-378-4564 > Travel instructions: > > Tilles Center > www.tillescenter.org > LIE Exit 39N (Glen Cove Rd) to Northern Blvd > East 1.7 miles to Tilles Center sign > Rt 107 to Northern Blvd > West .6 mile to Tilles Center sign > > Admission $10 > Under 12 Free > Food Court > Open for > lunch & snacks > > Exhibitors and Displays: > > Tours of WCWP Radio Benjamin Abrams Communications Center > Long Island wireless, radio and television history > Long Island Wireless Historical Society > Sayville Historical Society > Rocky Point Historical Society > Freeport Historical Society, WGBB > Long Island Broadcasters Wireless (LIBW) > Antique radios and equipment for sale > Friends of Science East > Sarnoff Library > Telecare > WLIU/88.3 > Telephone history display > Long Island Telephone Pioneers > Old-time radio shows for sale > Radio Spirits > Ham Radio > LIMARC ?Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club > GSBARC ?Great South Bay Amateur Radio Club > The Radio Club of Junior High School 22 > Amateur TV ?Jerry Mehrab, WA2FNQ > Community Radio Stations > WSHR, WXBA > American Red Cross > Mobile Disaster Communications Van > Crystal Radio Display > Fire Island Lighthouse > Fair Media Council > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Mar 18 23:28:28 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:28:28 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <8CB75E608BCF802-15FC-3493@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB75E608BCF802-15FC-3493@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49C1758C.357.2126D1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 18 Mar 2009 at 9:39, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > Somehow extra question marks got added to my last message. AOL did > something screwy lately. Sorry about that. Aol regularly adds spurrious question marks to the ASCII text versions of outgoing e-mail messages. This has been going on for at least a year, maybe longer. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Mar 18 23:22:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:22:26 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <49C1758C.357.2126D1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <8CB75E608BCF802-15FC-3493@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> <49C1758C.357.2126D1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18881.47730.353772.945229@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 18 Mar 2009 at 9:39, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: >> Somehow extra question marks got added to my last message. AOL did >> something screwy lately. Sorry about that. > Aol regularly adds spurrious question marks to the ASCII text > versions of outgoing e-mail messages. This has been going on for at > least a year, maybe longer. It's actually fairly easy to explain, and it's not entirely AOL's fault. Certain (broken) email clients turn sequences of multiple spaces into sequences of spaces and non-breaking-space characters for no readily explainable reason. When transforming this mangled text back into ASCII, the conversion software has to make a choice about how to represent the non-breaking-space characters, which aren't in ASCII. The sensible way would be to convert them into spaces, but apparently AOL is treating them as unconvertible characters, which it represents as question marks. It probably does that for some other non-ASCII punctuation marks, too. The solution is two-fold: don't use AOL (or demand that AOL fix its broken conversion), and don't use the space-mangling email client either. [This technical interlude brought to you by the letters "Q" and "P", and by the number 64.] -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Mar 19 00:34:48 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:34:48 -0500 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power In-Reply-To: <18881.47730.353772.945229@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8CB75E608BCF802-15FC-3493@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com>, <49C1758C.357.2126D1@joe.attorneyross.com>, <18881.47730.353772.945229@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49C18518.32196.292B1F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 18 Mar 2009 at 23:22, Garrett Wollman wrote: > It's actually fairly easy to explain, and it's not entirely AOL's > fault. Certain (broken) email clients turn sequences of multiple > spaces into sequences of spaces and non-breaking-space characters for > no readily explainable reason. ... Well, since only AOL has this problem, it's AOL's fault for not using a system that gets it right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Mar 20 17:36:53 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:36:53 -0500 Subject: Merrimack Valley Pix On NECRAT Message-ID: <20090320213653.812CB11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Mike Fitzpatrick did not wait long to head up to the Merrimack Valley to take pictures of changed facilities here in the Merrimack Valley. New photos are now available for viewing at: http://www.necrat.com -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Mon Mar 23 12:59:20 2009 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:59:20 -0400 Subject: WKOX, WRCA, WUNR at full power Message-ID: <8CB79EFD848CB11-1434-955@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Recent changes at WKOX-1200, WRCA-1330, and WUNR-1600 have had people remarking upon the signal strengths of these stations with the facility and power changes. This past weekend, I measured strengths here in the Pinehurst section (southern end) of Billerica, MA, GC= 42.5332 N / 71.2205 W, about 15 miles / 24 km northwest of downtown Boston. A relatively non-directional antenna was used with Drake R8A and RFSpace SDR-IQ receivers. All three stations now transmit from the site that was formerly just WUNR's: Oak Park (southern end of Newton, MA) near the Charles River and the Needham, Dedham, and Boston (West Roxbury) borders. The site is approximately 17 air miles (28 km) due south of my home location. WKOX now runs 50 kW, WUNR runs 20 kW, and WRCA runs 17 kW. Old-facility daytime V-Soft ratings were: WKOX-1200 (Framingham, 10 kW) = 65.9 dBu (1.98 mV/m) WRCA-1330 (Waltham, 5 kW) = 73.1 dBu (4.52 mV/m) WUNR-1600 (Newton, 5 kW) = 63.0 dBu (1.41 mV/m) Based upon strengths relative to known-level stations, I now have the following, likely accurate within 2 dB: WKOX-1200 = 71 dBu (3.5 mV/m) - better WRCA-1330 = 59 dBu (0.9 mV/m) - worse WUNR-1600 = 58 dBu (0.8 mV/m) - worse Night-time results: WKOX-1200 = 67.7 dBu (2.42 mV/m) usable generally but hints of CFGO under and a bit of IBOC hash from WPHT-1210 Philly. WRCA-1330 = 61.7 dBu (1.21 mV/m) mostly in the clear but a little dodgy at times with NYC mixing under and some self-interference (skip versus groundwave) "crunching". 1600 ~ 70 dBu (~ 3 mV/m) peak BUT this is all WWRL (NYC). Judging by the background audio assumed to be WUNR, it is at least 10 dB less (and clearly unusable). None of these approaches local grade at night, which I take to be about 74 dBu (5 mV/m), enough to squash unacceptable skywave interference most of the time. It will be interesting to compare my numbers to V-Soft's once they update their database. Also of interest will be whatever is observed by listeners at other locations. In some cases, especially east of the combo transmitter site, signals should be much improved. Other directions may be either better or worse. The relatively short antennas in use are likely to be putting more of the juice into high-angle skip than would be typical of more traditional arrays. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 14:18:13 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel Message-ID: <860888.30170.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WENH-DT Durham NH Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel, noticed late Friday night after running an update scan. So far just a static slide announcing "Coming Soon". 11.1 and 11.2 have the same programing in HD/SD formats. John B From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 23 16:02:21 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:02:21 -0400 Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio Message-ID: <35C4E3A2C2BC48BAA3BCD5728D4F2CA2@DanBillingsPC> WGAN is now running ABC News after being a CBS affiliate for many years. CBS is now being heard on co-owned WZAN. Not sure why the change was made. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Mar 23 15:56:24 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:56:24 -0500 Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel Message-ID: <20090323195624.ED7F3478887@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Bolduc" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel >Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) >WENH-DT Durham NH Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel, noticed late >Friday night after running an update scan. So far just a static >slide announcing "Coming Soon". >11.1 and 11.2 have the same programing in HD/SD formats. >John B Anyone doing an update scan in NH, keep an eye out for WPXG-TV-21/DT-33. For the past week or so, at various times, I have picked up the DTV on channel 33 on my digital-to-analog box while it's testing its apparently full-power transmitter and 4-channel capability. The menu shows a station on 21.1, 21.2, 21.3 and 21.4...the programming seems to be a simulcast of channel 21; something called Qubu; ION Life and ION Worship. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Mar 23 17:39:42 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:39:42 -0400 Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel In-Reply-To: <20090323195624.ED7F3478887@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090323195624.ED7F3478887@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18888.414.376762.196239@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Anyone doing an update scan in NH, keep an eye out for WPXG-TV-21/DT-33. > For the past week or so, at various times, I have picked up the DTV on > channel 33 on my digital-to-analog box while it's testing its apparently > full-power transmitter and 4-channel capability. The menu shows a station on > 21.1, 21.2, 21.3 and 21.4...the programming seems to be a simulcast of channel > 21; something called Qubu; ION Life and ION Worship. "Qubo" is the name. That's the standard Paxson lineup pretty much everywhere. (In particular it's what's on 68 (32) in Boston.) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Mar 23 16:49:30 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:49:30 -0400 Subject: can someone tape NewsCenter 5 at 6 for me? Message-ID: <4fc429770903231349s2de8011fi9115936cbc05b577@mail.gmail.com> WCVB interviewed me at Fenway Park about Curt Schilling. Can somebody tape it for me please? From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Mar 23 18:45:42 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:45:42 -0400 Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio References: <35C4E3A2C2BC48BAA3BCD5728D4F2CA2@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: What had been the ABC affiliate? WGAN has been associated with CBS for most of its history. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio > WGAN is now running ABC News after being a CBS affiliate for many years. > CBS is now being heard on co-owned WZAN. Not sure why the change was > made. > From dwcole@comcast.net Mon Mar 23 19:08:18 2009 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:08:18 -0400 Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio References: <35C4E3A2C2BC48BAA3BCD5728D4F2CA2@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: Basically... Because we wanted to. :-) Dan Cole, Morning Anchor WGAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio > WGAN is now running ABC News after being a CBS affiliate for many years. > CBS is now being heard on co-owned WZAN. Not sure why the change was > made. > From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Mar 23 21:23:56 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:23:56 -0400 Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio In-Reply-To: References: <35C4E3A2C2BC48BAA3BCD5728D4F2CA2@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <644F2DC416574CAA9279EA469325B2FB@DanBillingsPC> For a period of time in the 80's and early 90's the then 970 WYNZ was the CBS affiliate. I am pretty sure that WGAN switched to CBS when Saga bought 970 and flipped it to WZAN. I should remember because I worked at the station at the time, but that was a long time ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Billings" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio > What had been the ABC affiliate? > > WGAN has been associated with CBS for most of its history. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 24 07:31:45 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:31:45 -0400 Subject: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio References: <35C4E3A2C2BC48BAA3BCD5728D4F2CA2@DanBillingsPC> <644F2DC416574CAA9279EA469325B2FB@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: You're right. WGAN began with CBS when the station went on the air in 1938 and was with the network until the '60s, when it dropped the affiliation and became independent (WLOB was the CBS affiliate for a while --- IIRC from a couple of brief visits to Portland during my high school days, it was one of the very few Top 40 stations that was with CBS). In the meantime, when WCSH was sold in the early '80s and became WYNZ, Eastman Radio, the new owners, switched its network affiliation from NBC to CBS. Later in the '80s, WGAN joined NBC. It finally switched back to CBS about ten years ago when, as you say, Saga bought WYNZ, flipped it to WZAN, and began the talk format. As for NBC (or what's left of it), I'm not even sure southern Maine has an NBC affiliate any more. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Doug Drown" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio > For a period of time in the 80's and early 90's the then 970 WYNZ was the > CBS affiliate. I am pretty sure that WGAN switched to CBS when Saga > bought 970 and flipped it to WZAN. I should remember because I worked at > the station at the time, but that was a long time ago. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Drown" > To: "Dan Billings" ; > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: Network affiliate switch on Portland Radio > > >> What had been the ABC affiliate? >> >> WGAN has been associated with CBS for most of its history. > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 07:42:11 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (n1qgs@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS WENH-DT - IS: WPXG 21-DT Message-ID: <923268.39457.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been picking up WPXG DT21, all four sub-channels?since about July 2008 from here in Londonderry NH when I got my converter boxes.? Original sub-channes were 21.2 through 21.5 with Qubo being 21.3.? After a reconfiguration a couple of months ago, I noted on this list that the sub-channels were now 21.1 through 21.4, with Qubo bumped to 21.1. ? I'm constantly monitoring the signal strength through my digital to ananlog box (Digital Stream/Radio Shack box with analog pass through), and I've haven't noticed anything but a minor change in signal strength.? Since we have an exclusive over the air household, we watch 21-DT a? significant amount. ? ? I'm still a tiny bit upset over channel 21 dumping CBS network affilation. When was that, back about 15-25 years ago?? ? I'm also not happy I can't watch most of the Red Sox games on channel 21. When was that, about 10-15 years ago?? ? ? John B N1QGS Londonderry/Derry From paul@derrynh.net Tue Mar 24 09:42:05 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:42:05 -0400 Subject: WAS WENH-DT - IS: WPXG 21-DT In-Reply-To: <923268.39457.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <923268.39457.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26B89D08711146C5A7DE1FD6F442A451@PaulPC> Does WNEU-DT34 have an English Language subcarrier? Just curious.. -Paul H Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: Re: WAS WENH-DT - IS: WPXG 21-DT I've been picking up WPXG DT21, all four sub-channels since about July 2008 from here in Londonderry NH when I got my converter boxes. Original sub-channes were 21.2 through 21.5 with Qubo being 21.3. After a reconfiguration a couple of months ago, I noted on this list that the sub-channels were now 21.1 through 21.4, with Qubo bumped to 21.1. I'm constantly monitoring the signal strength through my digital to ananlog box (Digital Stream/Radio Shack box with analog pass through), and I've haven't noticed anything but a minor change in signal strength. Since we have an exclusive over the air household, we watch 21-DT a significant amount. I'm still a tiny bit upset over channel 21 dumping CBS network affilation. When was that, back about 15-25 years ago?? I'm also not happy I can't watch most of the Red Sox games on channel 21. When was that, about 10-15 years ago?? John B N1QGS Londonderry/Derry From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 24 15:46:51 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:46:51 -0500 Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel Message-ID: <20090324194651.56121326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WENH-DT Channel 11.3 now on as sub channel >Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:39:42 -0400 < said: > Anyone doing an update scan in NH, keep an eye out for WPXG-TV-21/DT-33. > For the past week or so, at various times, I have picked up the DTV on > channel 33 on my digital-to-analog box while it's testing its apparently > full-power transmitter and 4-channel capability. The menu shows a station on > 21.1, 21.2, 21.3 and 21.4...the programming seems to be a > simulcast of channel > 21; something called Qubu; ION Life and ION Worship. >"Qubo" is the name. That's the standard Paxson lineup pretty much >everywhere. (In particular it's what's on 68 (32) in Boston.) ->GAWollman So far I haven't picked up a single pixel from channel 32. On another site, someone said channel 32 is waiting to move to one of the candelabra spaces when channel 56/41 moves to the WHDH-TV/DT tower in Newton. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 24 15:51:21 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:51:21 -0500 Subject: WAS WENH-DT - IS: WPXG 21-DT Message-ID: <20090324195121.639CD326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: n1qgs@yahoo.com >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WAS WENH-DT - IS: WPXG 21-DT >Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:42:11 -0700 (PDT) >I've been picking up WPXG DT21, all four sub-channels?since about >July 2008 from here in Londonderry NH when I got my converter >boxes.? Original sub-channes were 21.2 through 21.5 with Qubo being >21.3.? After a reconfiguration a couple of months ago, I noted on >this list that the sub-channels were now 21.1 through 21.4, with >Qubo bumped to 21.1. ? >John B >N1QGS >Londonderry/Derry I installed my D-to-A box last summer and just started getting a picture of any sort about 3 weeks ago, so I'm assuming some kind of transmission adjustment has been made. Maybe they just installed that directional antenna that seems to be aimed directly at where I live! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Mar 24 17:31:23 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:31:23 -0500 Subject: WNNW's FM "Translator"Profiled In Paper Message-ID: <20090324213123.AB5B04780B2@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> The newspaper serving the Greater Lawrence area ran a story about Costa-Eagle's new "translator" W221CH. Peopkle in Lawrence will be disappointed if they try to tune it in since it's directional AWAY from Lawrence. Here's the story URL: http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_079211628.html -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Mar 25 14:09:12 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:12 -0500 Subject: Rose 96.3 on Cape flipped to WEEI simulcast today Message-ID: <20090325180912.C36F283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> At first it was said that WRZE 96.3 on Cape Cod would flip to a WEEI simulcast in April, but it happened today. The station's site said it would happen today, and I'd read on a messageboard that it would happen at 2 pm. I couldn't access the station's stream online but tuned to 96.3 here in Beverly; WSRS was walking all over them but I could hear Jim Cutler's voice saying "WEEI Sports Radio Network", barely... http://www.963weei.com Now WEII-FM http://www.weei.com/weei/shows-schedules/network-stations From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Mar 25 15:37:43 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:37:43 -0500 Subject: Rose 96.3 on Cape flipped to WEEI simulcast today In-Reply-To: <20090325180912.C36F283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090325180912.C36F283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903251237k66b33f14m539c09b09546d551@mail.gmail.com> >From what a friend told me, the 96.3 the Rose, er WEII=FM stream was actually stopped a few days ago or so.. so it wasn't that you couldn't access it exactly, it just wasn't there anymore.. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > At first it was said that WRZE 96.3 on Cape Cod would flip to a WEEI > simulcast in April, but it happened > today. The station's site said it would happen today, and I'd read on a > messageboard that it would happen at 2 pm. > I couldn't access the station's stream online but tuned to 96.3 here in > Beverly; WSRS was walking all over them > but I could hear Jim Cutler's voice saying "WEEI Sports Radio Network", > barely... > > http://www.963weei.com > > Now WEII-FM > > http://www.weei.com/weei/shows-schedules/network-stations > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:46:29 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:46:29 -0400 Subject: Rose 96.3 on Cape flipped to WEEI simulcast today In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80903251237k66b33f14m539c09b09546d551@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090325180912.C36F283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80903251237k66b33f14m539c09b09546d551@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0903251346o25ccb1bdj3601dd041c7cf94d@mail.gmail.com> Oh OK; figured that may have been the situation. And I think now if you want to listen to the new 96.3 you need to register to access the stream (via WEEI Sports Radio Network page) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >From what a friend told me, the 96.3 the Rose, er WEII=FM stream was > actually stopped a few days ago or so.. so it wasn't that you couldn't > access it exactly, it just wasn't there anymore.. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 01:32:54 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:32:54 -0400 Subject: RIP: Larry Glick Message-ID: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> Not confirmed by anything else...but WBZ Radio has announced the death of Larry Glick. WBZ's Steve Leveille is doing a trivute with old interviews. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Mar 27 11:35:39 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:35:39 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts Message-ID: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> The CBC announced yesterday that it is running a $171 million deficit, hence plans to eliminate 800 jobs nationally. 80 jobs will be cut from CBC News (including a considerable number of regional journalists), sports coverage will be reduced and in some cases eliminated, weekday noontime radio programs will be reduced from two hours to one, and staff positions will be cut in (among other places) Quebec City, Moncton, Saint John, and at several stations in Newfoundland. There is also discussion of "selling off some assets," whatever that means. I wonder whether some of the local stations may be sold off to other broadcasters, though that's not specifically mentioned. All of this has been met with angry reaction from viewers, listeners, and some MLAs, so who knows how much will actually happen once the dust settles. The cuts, BTW, are across the board: both anglophone CBC and Radio-Canada. -Doug From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 27 13:44:04 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:44:04 -0500 Subject: WXEX 1540 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903271044t779d6125rc3fa667bde691e9c@mail.gmail.com> A friend alerted me to their website, http://www.1540wxex.com -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 13:56:29 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE Message-ID: <839516.82767.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Back in the 1970's Peterborough NH had a now defunct AM station on 1050 AM and it's FM simulcasting cousin at 92.1, WSLE. Now many stations can spit out a 4 letter acronym, such as WSMN equals Weather, Sports, Music & News. But how many stations can spit out an eight letter acronym. What did WSCV WSLE stand for. We Serve Contookcook Valley With Superior Listening Entertainment. I doubt the calls signs were picked to fit the acronym, they acronym was probably made to fit the calls signs. This was around the time when Fritz Wetherbee was working there. John B N1QGS Londonderry From markwats@comcast.net Fri Mar 27 16:52:41 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:52:41 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> Don A wrote: > Not confirmed by anything else...but WBZ Radio has >announced the death of > Larry Glick. Here's a link to an article on Larry's passing from the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/03/larry_glick_rad.html And a link to a brief story on WBZ's website along with a couple of audio clips and a message board to share memories of Larry: http://www.wbz.com/WBZ-legend-Larry-Glick-dies/4096057 Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 27 15:38:25 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:38:25 -0500 Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE In-Reply-To: <839516.82767.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <839516.82767.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903271238u5ef0789amfb8269ce198ae713@mail.gmail.com> John, You do know the now defunct 1050 AM from Peterborough is the 250 Watt WSRO 650 in Framingham, right? Just checking ;=) Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > > Back in the 1970's Peterborough NH had a now defunct AM station on 1050 AM > and it's FM simulcasting cousin at 92.1, WSLE. > > Now many stations can spit out a 4 letter acronym, such as WSMN equals > Weather, Sports, Music & News. > > But how many stations can spit out an eight letter acronym. > > What did WSCV WSLE stand for. > > We Serve Contookcook Valley With Superior Listening Entertainment. > > I doubt the calls signs were picked to fit the acronym, they acronym was > probably made to fit the calls signs. This was around the time when Fritz > Wetherbee was working there. > > John B > N1QGS > Londonderry > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Mar 27 19:42:29 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:42:29 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770903271642k71a602efwa13a84b3b27d70a9@mail.gmail.com> I first got addicted to Larry at WMEX and then of course WBZ. Just a great talent. On 3/27/09, Mark Watson wrote: > Don A wrote: > >> Not confirmed by anything else...but WBZ Radio has >announced the death of >> >> Larry Glick. > > Here's a link to an article on Larry's passing from the Boston Globe: > http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/03/larry_glick_rad.html > > And a link to a brief story on WBZ's website along with a couple of audio > clips and a message board to share memories of Larry: > http://www.wbz.com/WBZ-legend-Larry-Glick-dies/4096057 > > > Mark Watson > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Mar 27 20:55:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:55:41 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro><61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> <4fc429770903271642k71a602efwa13a84b3b27d70a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And how many people realize that the heir to Glick's schtick is none other than Tom Magliozzi, the older of the two Tappet brothers of WBUR and NPR's Car Talk? Tom has Larry's booming basso and hearty laugh. He also has Larry's mental agility and love of practical jokes. And, like Larry, Tom has been married and divorced multiple times. (I think it was four marriages and three divorces for Larry and three of each for Tom.) People, at least around here, seem to take to guys on the radio who come across as smart, jovial, and, at the root, genuine. That was true of Larry and it is true of Tom. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "BRI+" ; "Don A" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Larry Glick >I first got addicted to Larry at WMEX and then of course WBZ. > > Just a great talent. > > On 3/27/09, Mark Watson wrote: >> Don A wrote: >> >>> Not confirmed by anything else...but WBZ Radio has >announced the >>> death of >>> >>> Larry Glick. >> >> Here's a link to an article on Larry's passing from the Boston >> Globe: >> http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/03/larry_glick_rad.html >> >> And a link to a brief story on WBZ's website along with a couple >> of audio >> clips and a message board to share memories of Larry: >> http://www.wbz.com/WBZ-legend-Larry-Glick-dies/4096057 >> >> >> Mark Watson >> >> >> >> >> From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 08:52:11 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:52:11 -0400 Subject: 1400 New Englanders Determine Ratings In Boston TV Market Message-ID: <6297BBDB210B42BB98523F4A784483C7@Mark> Found this interesting Boston Globe article about Nielsen's "People Meters" that are in 600 households in the Boston TV market, 1400 people in all determine ratings for a market of 2.4 million households. The article questions whether the number of people meter families is too small and how accurately what they watch are logged. Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2009/03/28/1400_new_englanders_decided_what_you_watched_last_night_who_are_they/ Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 09:03:33 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:03:33 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> Message-ID: <718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark> The Boston Globe has an obituary for Larry Glick on line, including a Globe file photo of Larry taken at WMEX in 1966, and quotes from Gary LaPierre, former Channel 7 news anchor/reporter Dave Rodman and former WBCN morning host Charles Laquidara. Private funeral services to be held in Florida on Sunday, with a public memorial service in the Boston area to be announced. Link to the obituary: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2009/03/28/larry_glick_hub_radio_voice_long_a_beacon_for_nightowls/ Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 09:39:00 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:00 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark> References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> <718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770903280639r711a9108i363799320f802858@mail.gmail.com> Hindsight being 20-20 Larry was never the same after WBZm I think his getting a paid year off from WHDH changed him a littlem On 3/28/09, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Globe has an obituary for Larry Glick on line, including a > Globe file photo of Larry taken at WMEX in 1966, and quotes from Gary > LaPierre, former Channel 7 news anchor/reporter Dave Rodman and former WBCN > morning host Charles Laquidara. Private funeral services to be held in > Florida on Sunday, with a public memorial service in the Boston area to be > announced. > > Link to the obituary: > > http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2009/03/28/larry_glick_hub_radio_voice_long_a_beacon_for_nightowls/ > > Mark Watson > > > From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 09:52:22 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:52:22 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> <718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark> <4fc429770903280639r711a9108i363799320f802858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin Vahey wrote: > Hindsight being 20-20 Larry was never the same after WBZ > I think his getting a paid year off from WHDH changed him a little His show lost a lot of it's reach obviously on WHDH due to it's signal on 850. No longer was he being heard in 38 states and part of Canada. The year off also affected him as well. IIRC when he finally took to the air at WHDH he was not on overnights but was on 9PM to 1AM at first but wasn't he moved to middays or early afternoons before he left there in 1992? Not a good move on their part, is that why Larry left 'HDH? Mark Watson From mward@iname.com Sat Mar 28 11:42:48 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:42:48 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Doug Drown wrote: > There is also discussion of "selling off some assets," whatever that means. I wonder whether some of the local stations may be sold off to other broadcasters, though that's not specifically mentioned. There are Pesky Unconfirmed Rumors that CBC may sell off its CBET/9 in Windsor, Ontario. That's the big blowtorch which provides U.S. audiences from Detroit to Toledo with CBC programming. Again, just in the rumor mill at this point. Presumably, CBC would rely on its cable/satellite feed out of Toronto to serve Windsor/Essex viewers, and of course, that feed isn't available directly (without CBET) to Americans. The problem with selling it...who buys it? Not only is the Canadian commercial TV market in even worse shape, any commercial operator wouldn't be able to run any number of U.S.-fed programs due to Detroit market rights issues. Even though the CBC picked up the Canadian rights to "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune", those shows don't air on CBET due to the Detroit issue. The Detroit rights issues are also behind the fact that CTV and Global don't have a presence in Windsor, with Southwest Ontario transmitters/relays some distance from Windsor (Oil Springs, etc.). From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 11:48:31 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:48:31 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Message-ID: Used to be, some years ago, that American viewers could access CBC TV via satellite. Can that still be done? I had a friend here in Maine who could even watch the TV feed from Whitehorse! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ward" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: CBC announces cuts > Doug Drown wrote: > >> There is also discussion of "selling off some assets," whatever that >> means. I wonder whether some of the local stations may be sold off to >> other broadcasters, though that's not specifically mentioned. > > There are Pesky Unconfirmed Rumors that CBC may sell off its CBET/9 in > Windsor, Ontario. That's the big blowtorch which provides U.S. audiences > from Detroit to Toledo with CBC programming. > > Again, just in the rumor mill at this point. > > Presumably, CBC would rely on its cable/satellite feed out of Toronto to > serve Windsor/Essex viewers, and of course, that feed isn't available > directly (without CBET) to Americans. > > The problem with selling it...who buys it? > > Not only is the Canadian commercial TV market in even worse shape, any > commercial operator wouldn't be able to run any number of U.S.-fed > programs due to Detroit market rights issues. > > Even though the CBC picked up the Canadian rights to "Jeopardy" and "Wheel > of Fortune", those shows don't air on CBET due to the Detroit issue. > > The Detroit rights issues are also behind the fact that CTV and Global > don't have a presence in Windsor, with Southwest Ontario > transmitters/relays some distance from Windsor (Oil Springs, etc.). > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 28 12:05:32 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:05:32 -0400 Subject: 1400 New Englanders Determine Ratings In Boston TV Market In-Reply-To: <6297BBDB210B42BB98523F4A784483C7@Mark> References: <6297BBDB210B42BB98523F4A784483C7@Mark> Message-ID: <18894.19148.51021.590522@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Found this interesting Boston Globe article about Nielsen's "People > Meters" that are in 600 households in the Boston TV market, 1400 people in > all determine ratings for a market of 2.4 million households. The article > questions whether the number of people meter families is too small and how > accurately what they watch are logged. And of course the /Globe/ reporter completely missed the most important statistical fact, which is that programming and advertising decisions ("live or die by a tenth of a point") are being made on the basis of random sampling noise. The margin of sampling error for n = 600 is 4% (at 95% confidence). They would need to sample many thousands of households per market to bring that down to a tenth of a point. The standard error (another measure of sampling error) for n = 600 of an 8.1% survey result is 1.1; this means that the true result, nineteen times out of twenty, is between 5.9 and 10.3. -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 12:25:26 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:25:26 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro><61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark><718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark><4fc429770903280639r711a9108i363799320f802858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > IIRC when he finally took to the air at WHDH he was not on overnights but > was on 9PM to 1AM at first but wasn't he moved to middays or early > afternoons before he left there in 1992? Not a good move on their part, > is that why Larry left 'HDH? You might recall WBZ made a bold move and moved him to afternoons at WBZ for awhile.....and then the offer to go to WHDH came. After the year of paid leave.....WHDH originally had him on during the day (was it afternoons of middays?).....with dismal ratings. They last year or so they moved him to 10PM - 2AM...whcih fit his style better....but, again, without the signal reach....and the calval;cade of callers. From mward@iname.com Sat Mar 28 12:40:39 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:40:39 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Message-ID: <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> Doug Drown wrote: > Used to be, some years ago, that American viewers could access CBC TV > via satellite. Can that still be done? I had a friend here in Maine > who could even watch the TV feed from Whitehorse! -Doug I don't think CBC has ever been commercially offered to U.S. satellite subscribers. I would suspect your friend in Maine was watching unencrypted C-band backhauls, back before all that stuff started being locked down. The Anik satellite footprint has no trouble reaching the bulk of the U.S. Today, there are so-called "gray market" dealers who will broker a Canadian address as a go between, between U.S. subscribers and one of the two Canadian satellite companies. I assume this is a very popular option in Florida...and again, both Bell ExpressVu and StarChoice's signal footprints cover the bulk of the continental U.S. Both services offer a wide variety of U.S. networks, in HD even, and I believe at least one of them offers feeds from the Boston network affiliates... From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 12:47:31 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:47:31 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> For years CBC had the full feeds from Montreal and Whitehorse in the clear but when theywent digital that was that. They never offered the Toronto feed. You can still get CBC on Vermont, Buffalo, Detroit and Seattle cable. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 12:51:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:51:47 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903280951y71ac0eadm6a0be275fcad6ac5@mail.gmail.com> NHL Network now offers Hockey Night in Canada on Saturday From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 12:56:17 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:56:17 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55B34960CE244302B037E5EBF42BA6A2@DougDrown> >>You can still get CBC on Vermont, Buffalo, Detroit and Seattle cable. --- And most of eastern and northern Maine. In addition, the Radio-Canada outlet in Sherbrooke, CKSH-TV, is on cable in a number of New England communities that have large populations of folk with French Canadian roots. Gardner, my home town, is one. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mike Ward" Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: CBC announces cuts > For years CBC had the full feeds from Montreal and Whitehorse in the > clear but when theywent digital that was that. They never offered the > Toronto feed. > > You can still get CBC on Vermont, Buffalo, Detroit and Seattle cable. > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 13:05:49 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:05:49 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Message-ID: <76F68293333B4F11A39F7058AAA5CEAE@DougDrown> Just curious . . . Did anyone on the Board ever attend one of Larry's hypnosis shows? I always wanted to, but never took the opportunity. What sorts of things did he do? I noticed that one respondent to the Globe article said that Larry had cured him of smoking. Was he a licensed hypnotherapist? FTM (Joe, chime in here; you're the lawyer in our midst), does anyone who practices hypnosis have to have a license? -Doug From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 13:13:16 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:13:16 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: References: <73786E9DB43048DF9A0592F1292B195A@MainXPPro> <61F1EC4C78174C1693E4C128D8AAD4CE@Mark> <718C6D4E20AE48D8B5EA31BCC0445EB7@Mark> <4fc429770903280639r711a9108i363799320f802858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903281013l4744e67csc7afa4e11a6e5edc@mail.gmail.com> One thing Larry did not do much of was sleep. He would always be at his Cleveland Circle office by 9 AM and put in a full day. The stories he had from when he owned a small station in Florida were hysterical. From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Mar 28 13:31:01 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:31:01 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Message-ID: <200903281731.n2SHVRBa070462@tsornin.bostonradio.org> I was the Overnight Producer at WBZ in 1979 and 1980 (Dave Maynard, then Bob Raleigh). Many times I was called in early to fill in for Larry Glick's producer du jour. At that point Ken Meyer (Muck) had left and was just doing weekends and Larry was going through a producer every few weeks. The last time I saw Larry was January of 07 - I was staying in Ft Lauderdale on vacation but made the trip to Boca Raton to see Larry at Legal Seafoods. I spent a good part of the evening with him - he really seemed to enjoy his job as "greeter" there......he was nattily attired in a suit with a bow tie and a captains hat and still had the quick wit that we all loved. Arriverdeci Larry......Hasta La.Vista.......Sayonara......Adios......Avoir.......Auf Wiedersehen.........Shalom aleichem Gary Francis (Frascarelli) From brouder@juno.com Sat Mar 28 13:16:04 2009 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:16:04 GMT Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE Message-ID: <20090328.131604.22990.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> >What did WSCV WSLE stand for. >We Serve Contookcook Valley With Superior Listening Entertainment. John's post doesn't entirely cover it. As I wrote on p.58 of my book, "Granite and Ether: A Chronicle of New Hampshire Broadcasting," WSCV AM (1050kc) was born May 19, 1970 and called itself "The Voice of the Valley." Two years later owners Francis H. Harms and John E. Leary added an FM, WSLE (92.1mc): "John Scott was manager; he recalls choosing the FM call letters for the names of his children: Stephen, Lorrie and Elaine." Ed Brouder Manchester, NH ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHF6w22f7pRgkPRsfSZWh4ImglIgMhvc6rpzr0zVwUvWGNqU76plG/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 14:20:31 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 3/28/09, Don A wrote: > You might recall WBZ made a bold move and moved him to > afternoons at WBZ for awhile.....and then the offer to go to > WHDH came. > > After the year of paid leave.....WHDH originally had him on > during the day (was it afternoons of middays?).....with > dismal ratings. They last year or so they moved him to 10PM > - 2AM...whcih fit his style better....but, again, without > the signal reach....and the calval;cade of callers. I recall Larry being on middays, after Jess Cain. I believe he may have been replaced by Pat Whitley? I can't recall. (A search of Globe and Herald archives isn't getting me any more info.) Larry did a couple LTAR shows 14 or 15 years ago, some good stuff. Going through some old tapes a couple years ago, I rediscovered PSAs he recorded for WJIB. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Mar 28 14:25:04 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:25:04 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <76F68293333B4F11A39F7058AAA5CEAE@DougDrown> References: <76F68293333B4F11A39F7058AAA5CEAE@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49CE6B80.7010609@ttlc.net> Doug Drown wrote: > Just curious . . . Did anyone on the Board ever attend one of Larry's hypnosis shows? I always wanted to, but never took the opportunity. What sorts of things did he do? > As a Mobile DJ, I shared the stage with Larry Glick about 20 years ago when we both were hired for a Christmas Party in Danvers. He was quite the outgoing showman. His stage act was similar to a couple of hypnotists I've seen. Nothing outrageous or very risque. Sorta family oriented. PG-13? From mward@iname.com Sat Mar 28 14:35:52 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:35:52 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> <4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE6E08.4080504@iname.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > For years CBC had the full feeds from Montreal and Whitehorse in the > clear but when theywent digital that was that. They never offered the > Toronto feed. > > You can still get CBC on Vermont, Buffalo, Detroit and Seattle cable. And the aforementioned CBET/9 Windsor is still available on cable here in Ohio, as near to yours truly as the Sandusky arm of Toledo-based Buckeye Cablesystem. South of Toledo, CBET went away just a few months ago, as Time Warner Cable dropped it in places like Bowling Green and Findlay as part of an overall trimming of OTA stations outside primary markets. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 14:48:02 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:48:02 -0400 Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE References: <20090328.131604.22990.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <69BD393DB34A4DFAB4851C80FBBD4F01@DougDrown> I used to listen to WSCV/WSLE when I lived in the Athol area in the mid-'70s. They were the only area affiliates of the 24/7 news format that NBC used to offer. (What was the name of that?) They had a pretty decent news operation of their own, too, IIRC. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE > >What did WSCV WSLE stand for. >>We Serve Contookcook Valley With Superior Listening Entertainment. > > John's post doesn't entirely cover it. As I wrote on p.58 of my book, > "Granite and Ether: A Chronicle of New Hampshire Broadcasting," > WSCV AM (1050kc) was born May 19, 1970 and called itself "The Voice of the > Valley." Two years later owners Francis H. Harms and John E. Leary added > an FM, WSLE (92.1mc): > > "John Scott was manager; he recalls choosing the FM call letters for the > names of his children: Stephen, Lorrie and Elaine." > > Ed Brouder > Manchester, NH > > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHF6w22f7pRgkPRsfSZWh4ImglIgMhvc6rpzr0zVwUvWGNqU76plG/ > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 15:04:05 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:04:05 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> > Larry did a couple LTAR shows 14 or 15 years ago, some good stuff. Going > through some old tapes a couple years ago, I rediscovered PSAs he recorded > for WJIB.< I would love to hear some tapes of him on the air in Laconia and Florida...and try to discover where in his career he developed his "shtick". Also, I'm sure he must have had some interesting tidbits from his adventures in radio station ownership. Anyone know anything about that? Something that was mentioned on Steve Leveille's program the other night. Larry didn't start at WBZ until he was 41 years old (in 1964?) It appears his sucess in radio was later in life. His 20 years at WBZ were from age 41 to 61. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 28 15:51:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:51:41 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4ECBF3BA86154265AD5F932C47C3F3E4@SatU205S5044> IIRC, Steve said that Larry did overnights on 'BZ from 1968 to 1986--eighteen years. Didn't the obit say that Larry was 87 when he died? If so, he would have been born in 1922, right? Which would mean that he didn't start at 'BZ until he was 46. But I could be wrong. I think Steve started the overnight show as a full-time gig ten years ago this summer, that is, in 1999. I believe that Raleigh was there for a full 20 years, which would mean, at the latest, from 1979 to 1999 (assuming no gap between Raleigh and LeVeille, which I don't think was the case). If Glick immediately preceded Raleigh and was there for 18 years, he would have had to start in 1961, which seems too early to me. He started at WMEX AFTER Jerry william did and Williams started at WMEX in the summer of 1957. I'm pretty sure that Glick was at WMEX for more than just four years. Also I'm not sure where Dave Maynard fits in the chronology of 'BZ overnight hosts. Was he between Glick and Raleigh? The more I think about this, the less it all adds up. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Larry Glick > > >> Larry did a couple LTAR shows 14 or 15 years ago, some good stuff. >> Going through some old tapes a couple years ago, I rediscovered >> PSAs he recorded for WJIB.< > > > I would love to hear some tapes of him on the air in Laconia and > Florida...and try to discover where in his career he developed his > "shtick". > > Also, I'm sure he must have had some interesting tidbits from his > adventures in radio station ownership. Anyone know anything about > that? > > Something that was mentioned on Steve Leveille's program the other > night. Larry didn't start at WBZ until he was 41 years old (in > 1964?) > > It appears his sucess in radio was later in life. > > His 20 years at WBZ were from age 41 to 61. From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Mar 28 15:36:40 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:36:40 -0400 Subject: Station Call-Sign Acronym across two calls signs (AM&FM) Old WSCV&WSLE In-Reply-To: <69BD393DB34A4DFAB4851C80FBBD4F01@DougDrown> References: <20090328.131604.22990.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <69BD393DB34A4DFAB4851C80FBBD4F01@DougDrown> Message-ID: <9743A783-DE99-4F53-821D-C5EE681712BF@charter.net> On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > I used to listen to WSCV/WSLE when I lived in the Athol area in the > mid-'70s. They were the only area affiliates of the 24/7 news > format that NBC used to offer. (What was the name of that?) NBC's "News and Information Service". Paul From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 16:24:45 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:24:45 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? Message-ID: This one's especially for Donna. I came across a reference today to the weekly Sunday morning radio broadcast of Park Street Church (WEZE, 11 A.M.). It said that the church's services have been broadcast on a regular basis since 1923. If this is true, then I would guess this is not only the oldest continuous radio ministry in the United States, but perhaps the oldest radio program, period. Any way of verifying it? I think I read once years ago that Park Street first began broadcasting its services on WNAC, and that CBS even picked them up for a while in the late '20s. -Doug From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 28 16:35:27 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:35:27 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Message-ID: At 11:48 AM -0400 3/28/09, Doug Drown wrote: >Used to be, some years ago, that American viewers could access CBC >TV via satellite. Can that still be done? I had a friend here in >Maine who could even watch the TV feed from Whitehorse! -Doug You can watch CBC and the other Canadian services by getting a Canadian DBS dish. What you need to do is have a Canadian address on the account, either thru a relative or friend in Canada, or by using a broker which costs $50 per year, in addition to the costs of the service. You can get started at http://www.kusat.com/, but you will probably need to make a phone call to them to get all the details. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 28 16:52:43 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:52:43 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> Message-ID: At 12:40 PM -0400 3/28/09, Mike Ward wrote: > >I don't think CBC has ever been commercially offered to U.S. >satellite subscribers. I would suspect your friend in Maine was >watching unencrypted C-band backhauls, back before all that stuff >started being locked down. There used to be a channel on DirecTV known as Newsworld International that was owned by the CBC, and had a number of Canadian programs including their nightly 1 hour newscast "The National". That channel no longer exists. If one wants to listen to Canadian radio programs there are several channels of re-packaged CBC radio programs on Sirius Satellite Radio. You can also listen to numerous CBC radio stations that stream on the Internet. You can find these at http://www.cbc.ca/radio/. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Mar 28 17:04:20 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:04:20 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown><49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Message-ID: Well, by gorry (as they say up heah in Maine), that's the first time I've heard that bit of news. I may pursue it. Thanks much! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: CBC announces cuts > At 11:48 AM -0400 3/28/09, Doug Drown wrote: > >>Used to be, some years ago, that American viewers could access CBC TV via >>satellite. Can that still be done? I had a friend here in Maine who >>could even watch the TV feed from Whitehorse! -Doug > > You can watch CBC and the other Canadian services by getting a Canadian > DBS dish. What you need to do is have a Canadian address on the account, > either thru a relative or friend in Canada, or by using a broker which > costs $50 per year, in addition to the costs of the service. You can get > started at http://www.kusat.com/, but you will probably need to make a > phone call to them to get all the details. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Mar 28 17:16:39 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:16:39 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> Message-ID: <49CE93B7.7020704@gabrielmass.com> Larry Weil wrote: > There used to be a channel on DirecTV known as Newsworld International > that was owned by the CBC, and had a number of Canadian programs > including their nightly 1 hour newscast "The National". That channel no > longer exists. I liked NWI. It was offered on Comcash also. Isn't that the channel that AlGore's company bought up and converted into "Current TV"? Current is, um, helping the cause of international peace right now by recently letting a crew fall into the hands of the North Korean regime and be held as hostages. -- --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 28 17:18:22 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:18:22 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> Message-ID: <18894.37918.94142.442011@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There used to be a channel on DirecTV known as Newsworld > International that was owned by the CBC, and had a number of Canadian > programs including their nightly 1 hour newscast "The National". > That channel no longer exists. It was owned at various times by Barry Diller and Vivendi Universal, and was killed off when Al Gore bought it. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Mar 28 17:33:44 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:33:44 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <55B34960CE244302B037E5EBF42BA6A2@DougDrown> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown><49CE4578.6060704@iname.com><49CE5307.1090101@iname.com><4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> <55B34960CE244302B037E5EBF42BA6A2@DougDrown> Message-ID: <6CC2A33DD8EE4A40827E80A1B54F30B0@DanBillingsPC> Comcast covering the Bath-Brunswick area still carries the station, though the number of French speakers left these days is very, very small. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Mike Ward" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: CBC announces cuts > --- And most of eastern and northern Maine. In addition, the > Radio-Canada outlet in Sherbrooke, CKSH-TV, is on cable in a number of New > England communities that have large populations of folk with French > Canadian roots. Gardner, my home town, is one. -Doug From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 28 18:05:17 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:05:17 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:24 PM 3/28/2009, Doug Drown wrote: >This one's especially for Donna. I came across a reference today to >the weekly Sunday morning radio broadcast of Park Street Church >(WEZE, 11 A.M.). It said that the church's services have been >broadcast on a regular basis since 1923. That may be true, although church services in Boston were broadcast regularly from St. Paul's Cathedral starting in mid-1922, when what became WNAC went on the air at the Shepard Stores in downtown Boston. Tremont Temple Baptist Church put their own station on the air-- WSSH (Strangers' Sabbath Home) circa 1924. Little 1XE/WGI ran church services beginning in 1921, with the church changing every week-- usually churches from Somerville and Medford, but also at times from churches in Quincy and even Waltham and Reading. And while 99% of the times, it was Protestant churches, Catholic priests and at least one rabbi did give inspirational talks. And yes, in early 1923, Park Street Church was absolutely broadcasting its services, although I don't think they were broadcast every week. WNAC had an agreement with St. Paul's, WBZ was still out in Springfield, and WGI rotated the services they did. But we know they were on sometimes because their pastor back then, Rev. Conrad, told the newspapers he got a great response from radio listeners whenever he asked for donations! From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 28 18:30:15 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:30:15 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <49CE93B7.7020704@gabrielmass.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown> <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CE5307.1090101@iname.com> <49CE93B7.7020704@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <49CEA4F7.60309@fybush.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > Current is, um, helping the cause of international peace right now by > recently letting a crew fall into the hands of the North Korean regime > and be held as hostages. I'm reasonably certain that Current doesn't employ any crews of its own, and that the two individuals being held by the North Koreans are freelancers who happen to have sold some material to Current at some point. It's incredibly rare at this point to find any international news crews who aren't freelancers; this surely doesn't make it any easier for any of them (the freelancers, that is) when they get into political trouble. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 28 20:10:59 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:10:59 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <20090329001059.562A21B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:04 PM 3/28/2009, Don A wrote: >Something that was mentioned on Steve Leveille's program the other >night. Larry didn't start at WBZ until he was 41 years old (in 1964?) > >It appears his sucess in radio was later in life. Well, some articles I've found in my files say he was doing other things... we know he was born in Roxbury in 1922 (btw, the only Glick I find on Ancestry.com who was born in 1922 and living in Roxbury was Irving Glick... do we know if Larry/Lawrence was in fact his real first name???) and we know he was in the Army during WW 2. I've found clippings that say he was on the Armed Forces Radio Network in Munich Germany. The articles I found say he first did radio at WLNH in Laconia , and that in 1948 he left the US to work in Israel during the first Arab-Israeli War, and he was there throughout 1949 and into 1950. If those facts are true, it does seem his entry into major market radio was delayed somewhat. From jwcorcoran@earthlink.net Sat Mar 28 20:23:34 2009 From: jwcorcoran@earthlink.net (Joe Corcoran) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:23:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Larry Glick Message-ID: <27575802.1238286214612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dan, I don't know the exact dates, but BZ moved many of their personalities on a fairly regular basis at one time. Raleigh did middays for several years when he came over from WHDH, then went to overnights. I believe he went back to middays when Maynard did overnights. Even Carl DeSuze was moved to middays late in his career, I believe that's when they put Maynard on mornings. Glick was sort of a fill in guy when he first came to BZ. He was doing a lot of vacation subs. I can remember him doing afternoons one day, but stating he would be doing overnights starting the next week. In true Glick style, he kept saying "I can't get a day job" all through the shift. So the timeline is possible as Raleigh's twenty years were probably more like 14 or 15 on overnights. Someone else may have a more accurate accounting of all the moves. One of my great memories of Larry was pulling an all night shift (after doing afternoon drive, my regular shift) on a 250 watt graveyarder in Rhode Island during a winter ice storm a month before the blizzard of 78. We were running on generator since our entire coverage area was out of power. All night we were taking calls from listeners, passing along info and keeping them awake to feed fireplaces to stay warm. We had no call screener and were simply punching up lines live on the air (no delay). Somwhere around 3 a.m., I punch up the next line, and it's Larry Glick on BZ. He had heard about what we were doing from someone who called him, so he dialed us up. We wound up doing a half hour together, live on both stations. I still have the show on a 7 inch reel somewhere. Should dump it to digital before the tape disintegrates! Joe Corcoran -----> >IIRC, Steve said that Larry did overnights on 'BZ from 1968 to >1986--eighteen years. Didn't the obit say that Larry was 87 when he >died? If so, he would have been born in 1922, right? Which would mean >that he didn't start at 'BZ until he was 46. . I'm pretty sure that >Glick was at WMEX for more than just four years. Also I'm not sure >where Dave Maynard fits in the chronology of 'BZ overnight hosts. Was >he between Glick and Raleigh? The more I think about this, the less it >all adds up. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:29:20 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:29:20 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <20090329001059.562A21B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> <20090329001059.562A21B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770903281729x3bc17c14v26168c6806b70e8f@mail.gmail.com> Mac hired Larry when he decided to go 24 hours in 1965 or so nd as the story went Larry wanted to get away from Florida. Irony was it opened the door in Miami for another talk show misfit one Larry King. Larry was so popular at WMEX Time Magazine did a story on him. I remember listening one night when Glick and Pat Cooper were almost jailed because they said they were doing the radio show naked and Dapper O'Neil went nuts about it. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 28 20:36:02 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:36:02 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <4fc429770903281729x3bc17c14v26168c6806b70e8f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> <20090329001059.562A21B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770903281729x3bc17c14v26168c6806b70e8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090329003602.6E2FF1B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 08:29 PM 3/28/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Larry was so popular at WMEX Time Magazine did a story on him. Yes, indeed. And here's the portion about him-- the rest was about other late-night d.j.'s and what they meant to their audience. The Hot-Hot-Hotline TIME magazine, 18 June 1965 It is just before 1 a.m., any 1 a.m. from Monday through Saturday, and the din from the next-door Bowladrome has died away when Larry Glick climbs to the second-floor studio of Boston's WMEX ("the ever-new Wee-Mex, Home of Modern Radio"), eases himself into his chair, its torn plastic cushion oozing sponge rubber. Around him are ashtrays half-filled with cigarettes left by the daytime rock 'n' roll D.J.s. Staring at him is the control panel held together with electrical tape. On the scarred horseshoe table sits a six-line beige telephone, equipped with six lights that will flicker when the telephone calls come in. But first he relaxes as his taped introduction is played over the air: "Well, it's night and everything's all right. Just as right as it can be. Ladies and gentlemen, you're tuned to the new WMEX in the new Boston. The station in a growing Boston, headquarters for the nighttime Glicknics. A Glicknic is a thing called happiness, and happiness is a thing called Larry Glick." This is Glick's signal to turn himself on, and hunching toward the mike, a big smile spreading over his face, he greets the great unseen listening audience in his deep, friendly baritone: "How do you feel? I really mean it. How are you getting along with your wife? How are you getting along with your boy friend? We'll discuss all these things. CO 2-9600. You call us. You're the star of this show." And before he is done, the lights do go on. The fans are calling in, and Larry Glick's all-night hot-line show is in business. 2 1/2 Years on the Bottle. Glick's telephone call-in program is just one of dozens that are proliferating across the U.S., giving the platter parades and baseball broadcasts a run for the ratings. Glick, 43, now with his eighth radio station since 1953, has become a glib, gem?tlich master of the new formula. All he has to defend himself against his telephone callers is a tape-delay device, which gives him a four-second time lag in which to erase obscenities from the air. To ease the strain, there is an occasional celebrity visitor such as Songstress Edie Adams or Rocky Marciano. The rest is up to the listeners, and for Glick's fans it provides nighttime fare that combines all the appeal of a stormy town meeting with the piquancy of listening in on the party line to real-life drama. "Oh Larry," begins one mother's voice, "my boy's been on the bottle for the last 2? years; what am I going to do?" Another caller wants to wipe up the Viet Cong, the next discusses self-hypnotism, a third knocks himself out with his own imitation of Bobby Kennedy, and then along in the wee small hours comes a dope addict, who swears he would have committed suicide long ago if Larry had not made him feel that he "belonged to a family." [snip] From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Mar 28 22:00:27 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:00:27 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <6CC2A33DD8EE4A40827E80A1B54F30B0@DanBillingsPC> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown><49CE4578.6060704@iname.com><49CE5307.1090101@iname.com><4fc429770903280947k5996a494va214a7fe5f405421@mail.gmail.com> <55B34960CE244302B037E5EBF42BA6A2@DougDrown> <6CC2A33DD8EE4A40827E80A1B54F30B0@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <5CD25830-EF5F-47AD-9E36-E56E89DFBE80@charter.net> My dad lives further up the coast in the Rockland area and his cable system carries CKSH and CHLT out of Sherbrooke. I remember visiting him a few years back and watching the Olympics on CBC...probably the 2004 Summer Games. I don't know if he still gets the CBC or not anymore but I remember at the time they did a MUCH better job covering the Games than NBC did.... -Dave Tomm On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > Comcast covering the Bath-Brunswick area still carries the station, > though the number of French speakers left these days is very, very > small. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > > To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Mike Ward" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest Board" > > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: CBC announces cuts > >> --- And most of eastern and northern Maine. In addition, the >> Radio-Canada outlet in Sherbrooke, CKSH-TV, is on cable in a number >> of New England communities that have large populations of folk with >> French Canadian roots. Gardner, my home town, is one. -Doug > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 29 00:57:48 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:57:48 -0500 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown>, <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> Message-ID: <49CEB97C.3769.5CDE1B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Mar 2009 at 11:42, Mike Ward wrote: > Presumably, CBC would rely on its cable/satellite feed out of Toronto > to serve Windsor/Essex viewers, and of course, that feed isn't > available directly (without CBET) to Americans. What's CBET? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 29 00:57:49 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:57:49 -0500 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Mar 2009 at 18:05, Donna Halper wrote: > Tremont Temple Baptist Church put their own station on the air-- WSSH > (Strangers' Sabbath Home) circa 1924. I wonder whether the owners of the more recent WSSH knew about that. I'm guessing not. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From atolz@comcast.net Sun Mar 29 01:06:06 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:06:06 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7B30E31A7DF840DCA25E87E85288E898@MainXPPro> <20090329001059.562A21B4002@relay16.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <0F8DFEFD388C4AC899310125497260EB@mediacenter> All of that is true, Donna. He worked on a kibbutz in Israel during those years. Steve Elman and I interviewed him for our book on Jerry Williams. If you give me a snail mail address, I'll be happy to send along CD's of the 90 minute conversation for your archives. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Don A" ; Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Larry Glick > At 03:04 PM 3/28/2009, Don A wrote: > >>Something that was mentioned on Steve Leveille's program the other night. >>Larry didn't start at WBZ until he was 41 years old (in 1964?) >> >>It appears his sucess in radio was later in life. > > Well, some articles I've found in my files say he was doing other > things... we know he was born in Roxbury in 1922 (btw, the only Glick I > find on Ancestry.com who was born in 1922 and living in Roxbury was Irving > Glick... do we know if Larry/Lawrence was in fact his real first name???) > and we know he was in the Army during WW 2. I've found clippings that say > he was on the Armed Forces Radio Network in Munich Germany. The articles > I found say he first did radio at WLNH in Laconia , and that in 1948 he > left the US to work in Israel during the first Arab-Israeli War, and he > was there throughout 1949 and into 1950. If those facts are true, it does > seem his entry into major market radio was delayed somewhat. > From mward@iname.com Sun Mar 29 01:46:29 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:46:29 -0400 Subject: CBC announces cuts In-Reply-To: <49CEB97C.3769.5CDE1B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <99A7C040BF584901BE94CB759F5B295B@DougDrown>, <49CE4578.6060704@iname.com> <49CEB97C.3769.5CDE1B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49CF0B35.50701@iname.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 28 Mar 2009 at 11:42, Mike Ward wrote: > >> Presumably, CBC would rely on its cable/satellite feed out of Toronto >> to serve Windsor/Essex viewers, and of course, that feed isn't >> available directly (without CBET) to Americans. > > What's CBET? The call letters of CBC's Windsor station. From joe@joebrownphotos.com Thu Mar 26 23:17:14 2009 From: joe@joebrownphotos.com (Joe Brown Digital Photography) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:17:14 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question Message-ID: <0KH500ER1AGS9XDY@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I am wondering where the transmitters are for the highway radio channels? They are advertising it in Woburn along 128, but the signal is really scratchy. Thanks! Joe Brown From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sat Mar 28 16:22:42 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:22:42 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Remembered Message-ID: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> When I was a news guy at 'BZ from 1972 to 1987 I worked the 4pm to Midnight shift for a few years and had the pleasure of introducing Larry. He was a wonderful guy with a great caring soul. He would often chat with me for the first half-hour of his show. He loved calling me "Thor" which is my real name. Wonderful memories. Rest well dear friend, Ted Larsen From dslrpierce@myfairpoint.net Sun Mar 29 11:03:43 2009 From: dslrpierce@myfairpoint.net (Dan Pierce) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:03:43 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick References: <252430.28710.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81A579B47FCF4EF08BC4E921EE61740F@your6jnhhu0520> You are correct. The disastrous Larry Glick midday experiment on WHDH-AM ended when Pat Whitley replaced him (with me as his producer) in that daypart in late 1989. Larry was a terrific guy and a terrific talent, but middays was the wrong daypart for him, especially on a station that was moving into an issue-oriented talk position. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Larry Glick > > On Sat, 3/28/09, Don A wrote: >> You might recall WBZ made a bold move and moved him to >> afternoons at WBZ for awhile.....and then the offer to go to >> WHDH came. >> >> After the year of paid leave.....WHDH originally had him on >> during the day (was it afternoons of middays?).....with >> dismal ratings. They last year or so they moved him to 10PM >> - 2AM...whcih fit his style better....but, again, without >> the signal reach....and the calval;cade of callers. > > I recall Larry being on middays, after Jess Cain. I believe he may have > been replaced by Pat Whitley? I can't recall. (A search of Globe and > Herald archives isn't getting me any more info.) > > Larry did a couple LTAR shows 14 or 15 years ago, some good stuff. Going > through some old tapes a couple years ago, I rediscovered PSAs he recorded > for WJIB. > > > > > From ecps92@earthlink.net Sun Mar 29 13:51:22 2009 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:51:22 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question References: <0KH500ER1AGS9XDY@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <52F5075113164506BA0641A371C939FF@D60NFN81> Right in the Median, Route-93/Rte-128 Rte-93SB between the two Ramps 1.7000 Mhz Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak info at http://www.scannewengland.net/index.php?pageid=nesflogon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown Digital Photography" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question > > I am wondering where the transmitters are for the highway radio > channels? They are advertising it in Woburn along 128, but the signal > is really scratchy. > > Thanks! > > Joe Brown > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 29 14:19:53 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:19:53 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> I believe that whenever the FCC approves a request for new broadcast stations calls, they send the grantee a history of where those calls have been and when--to the extent that the FCC knows where the calls have been and when. If I am correct, then, Lerner et al had been advised that WSSH had been licensed to Boston in the '20s. Whether WSSH (FM) Lowell kept a copy of that letter in its files is, of course, another matter. Now, my question is whether the first WSSH shared time with another station (WNAC most likely)? In those days, before directional transmitting antennas, AM time-shares were common in large markets, where there were many more applicants than available frequencies. And it was common for church-owned shared-time stations to operate only on Sundays (examples: KPPC Pasadena, WBBL Richmond, WHBI Newark, which by the 1940s, when I discovered it, was not church owned--but it may have been originally). Some of those church-owned stations used the transmitting facilities of commercial stations with which they shared time, but not all did. KPPC did not exactly share time with any station but nearby first- and second-adjacent stations had to reduce power when KPPC was on. WHBI did not use the transmitter of WNEW (later WOV). Earlier, WHBI may have shared time with WODA and WAAM, which combined to become WOV. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > On 28 Mar 2009 at 18:05, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Tremont Temple Baptist Church put their own station on the air-- >> WSSH >> (Strangers' Sabbath Home) circa 1924. > > I wonder whether the owners of the more recent WSSH knew about that. > I'm guessing not. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 29 15:25:41 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:25:41 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49CFCB35.60400@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I believe that whenever the FCC approves a request for new broadcast > stations calls, they send the grantee a history of where those calls > have been and when--to the extent that the FCC knows where the calls > have been and when. I've never seen such a letter from the FCC in any station's files, ever. The FCC's CDBS database contains call letter historical information going back to the late 1970s, albeit with some gaps. I find it easiest to access that information at fccinfo.com - the "historic call sign" search is the second box from the top on the main page. The FCC doesn't much care about callsigns these days. It considers 1510 in Boston to be "facility ID #12789." Whatever callsign is assigned to it is more of a vanity exercise than anything else. s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 29 12:49:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:49:41 -0500 Subject: Larry Glick Remembered In-Reply-To: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> References: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> Message-ID: <4fc429770903290949y214e5d61ocee2e82b82257a85@mail.gmail.com> Back in the 70's Westinghouse tried to get Streetr Stuart to retire and put him on overnight with Larry. Little did they know it made Streeter the happiest guy in Boston and Larry invested in Streeter's'health store in Belmont. On 3/28/09, Ted Larsen wrote: > When I was a news guy at 'BZ from 1972 to 1987 I worked the 4pm to Midnight > shift for a few years and had the pleasure of introducing Larry. He was a > wonderful guy with a great caring soul. He would often chat with me for the > first half-hour of his show. He loved calling me "Thor" which is my real > name. Wonderful memories. > > Rest well dear friend, > > Ted Larsen > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 29 15:36:15 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:36:15 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <49CFCB35.60400@fybush.com> Message-ID: Well, maybe the FCC stopped sending out such letters when the info appeared on the FCC's Web site. I remember seeing such a letter in 1952 in the files of then campus-limited carrier-current WRPI, which, along with a number of other campus-limited college stations had gotten the FCC to "reserve" its call sign so that it could not be taken by another station. It was from that letter that I learned that the previous holder of the WRPI calls was the Police Department of Ashland OH. That WRPI was obviously a neighbor on the dial of George Carlin's fictional Wonderful WINO, which, if you recall, was at 1700--just above the police calls. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> I believe that whenever the FCC approves a request for new >> broadcast >> stations calls, they send the grantee a history of where those >> calls >> have been and when--to the extent that the FCC knows where the >> calls >> have been and when. > > I've never seen such a letter from the FCC in any station's files, > ever. > > The FCC's CDBS database contains call letter historical information > going back to the late 1970s, albeit with some gaps. I find it > easiest to access that information at fccinfo.com - the "historic > call sign" search is the second box from the top on the main page. > > The FCC doesn't much care about callsigns these days. It considers > 1510 in Boston to be "facility ID #12789." Whatever callsign is > assigned to it is more of a vanity exercise than anything else. > > s From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 29 15:41:40 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:41:40 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <49CFCB35.60400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49CFCEF4.90400@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Well, maybe the FCC stopped sending out such letters when the info > appeared on the FCC's Web site. I remember seeing such a letter in > 1952 in the files of then campus-limited carrier-current WRPI, which, > along with a number of other campus-limited college stations had > gotten the FCC to "reserve" its call sign so that it could not be > taken by another station. I wonder when that practice ended? I'm thinking no later than the 1970s, and probably sooner. I've acquired some relatively complete historical files from some stations dating back to the 1950s, and have never seen a letter like the one Dan describes. I wonder if someone at WRPI made a specific request for that historical information? > It was from that letter that I learned that > the previous holder of the WRPI calls was the Police Department of > Ashland OH. That WRPI was obviously a neighbor on the dial of George > Carlin's fictional Wonderful WINO, which, if you recall, was at > 1700--just above the police calls. The late Mr. Carlin would probably be amused to know that there's now an FM construction permit bearing the wonderful WINO callsign. It's at 89.9 in Odessa, New York, near Ithaca, and since it belongs to the Radio Free Ithaca community group, it probably comes by the callsign honestly! (Ithaca is also at the heart of the Finger Lakes winemaking region.) It doesn't appear that the FCC has issued the WINO calls previously. s From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 29 16:32:01 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:32:01 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Remembered In-Reply-To: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> References: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> Message-ID: <49CFDAC1.60604@gmail.com> Ted Larsen wrote: > He loved calling me "Thor" which is my real name. Wonderful memories. > > Rest well dear friend, > > Ted Larsen > Ted, I distinctly recall his conversations with 'Thor' and enjoyed your exchanges very much. I never met Larry but, like many here, felt like I did. I consider Larry to have been a major influence on my interest in transitioning over to talk. He made the gig appear effortless (it's not) and was dedicated to one listener at a time (a lost art.) Lorenzo was the master of having fun with callers who would be, invariably, clueless to the fact that they were playing into the Glick sarcasm and joke's-on-you wheel house. I'd mentioned here before (after 13 yrs it's bound to happen) that a "Where were you when..." moment for me was I was listening to Larry (in crosstalk with Bruce Schwoegler) when Larry announced shooting death of Beatle John Lennon. For a show that was so easy to listen to, Larry showed his range that night. My condolences to Larry's buds. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 29 17:24:15 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:24:15 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: , <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <49CFCB35.60400@fybush.com> <49CFCEF4.90400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1337C6DFA7444FC089A223012C6AF2BD@SatU205S5044> As you said, Ithaca is in the Finger Lakes region, an area well-known for its production of wine. So maybe these WINO calls are not a reference to alcoholism. Or maybe the Radio Free Ithaca folks figured that, in one (printable) four-letter word, they could have a call sign that pays homage to one of their heroes, to a legendary radio station that never existed, and also to perhaps the best-known algricultural product of their region. I'd call that a win-win-win choice (or maybe a wino-wino-wino choice). And considering how much in demand call signs that can be pronounced "win," "wins," "winner." and the like have become over the last three or more decades, doesn't the fact that this is the first WINO demonstrate the rarity of out-of-the-box thinking in the radio biz? Obviously everybody feared that the alcoholic connotation would overshadow the win connotation. Until these guys at an LPFM asked why it had to be that way. I wonder whether they've acquired rights from Carlin's estate to use the Wonderful WINO jingles. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Well, maybe the FCC stopped sending out such letters when the info >> appeared on the FCC's Web site. I remember seeing such a letter in >> 1952 in the files of then campus-limited carrier-current WRPI, >> which, >> along with a number of other campus-limited college stations had >> gotten the FCC to "reserve" its call sign so that it could not be >> taken by another station. > > I wonder when that practice ended? I'm thinking no later than the > 1970s, and probably sooner. > > I've acquired some relatively complete historical files from some > stations dating back to the 1950s, and have never seen a letter like > the one Dan describes. I wonder if someone at WRPI made a specific > request for that historical information? > >> It was from that letter that I learned that >> the previous holder of the WRPI calls was the Police Department of >> Ashland OH. That WRPI was obviously a neighbor on the dial of >> George >> Carlin's fictional Wonderful WINO, which, if you recall, was at >> 1700--just above the police calls. > > The late Mr. Carlin would probably be amused to know that there's > now an FM construction permit bearing the wonderful WINO callsign. > It's at 89.9 in Odessa, New York, near Ithaca, and since it belongs > to the Radio Free Ithaca community group, it probably comes by the > callsign honestly! > > (Ithaca is also at the heart of the Finger Lakes winemaking region.) > > It doesn't appear that the FCC has issued the WINO calls previously. > > s From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 29 19:12:39 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:12:39 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 02:19 PM 3/29/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Now, my question is whether the first WSSH shared time with another >station (WNAC most likely)? Oh absolutely it shared time. It went on the air in 1924 as WDBR, and in 1926, changed call letters to WSSH, run by the Tremont Temple Baptist Church. The AM dial back then was incredibly crowded, so stations regularly shared time, and they did not like doing so. WSSH had its frequency moved a couple of times, and it shared time with WBET (owned by the Boston Evening Transcript), WLEX in Lexington (before it moved to Boston), and briefly, WMAF down in So. Dartmouth. I don't see it sharing any time with WNAC however. From lspin@comcast.net Sun Mar 29 20:11:30 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:11:30 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick Remembered In-Reply-To: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> References: <107B151067A249189E69CCD32D10766E@teddesktop> Message-ID: <001401c9b0cc$13a9ec90$3afdc5b0$@net> Ted, I remember Larry Glick calling you, "Thor," also... He seemed to enjoy saying certain peoples' names, whether real or not - like, "Karl Ludwig Kraus von Schwoegler. The couple of times I spoke with him, I introduced myself as, "Louie." And he just went on saying my name slowly in every sentence: Louie... Lou-Wee... LOU-WEE... What a blast to have Larry Glick have fun with your name! -Lou (WEE) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ted Larsen Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:23 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Larry Glick Remembered When I was a news guy at 'BZ from 1972 to 1987 I worked the 4pm to Midnight shift for a few years and had the pleasure of introducing Larry. He was a wonderful guy with a great caring soul. He would often chat with me for the first half-hour of his show. He loved calling me "Thor" which is my real name. Wonderful memories. Rest well dear friend, Ted Larsen From lspin@comcast.net Sun Mar 29 20:14:06 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:14:06 -0400 Subject: Larry Glick In-Reply-To: <27575802.1238286214612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27575802.1238286214612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501c9b0cc$711b20b0$53516210$@net> Joe, What a great Glick story! I (and I'm sure many others) would absolutely love to hear that tape! -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Corcoran Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:24 PM One of my great memories of Larry was pulling an all night shift (after doing afternoon drive, my regular shift) on a 250 watt graveyarder in Rhode Island during a winter ice storm a month before the blizzard of 78. We were running on generator since our entire coverage area was out of power. All night we were taking calls from listeners, passing along info and keeping them awake to feed fireplaces to stay warm. We had no call screener and were simply punching up lines live on the air (no delay). Somwhere around 3 a.m., I punch up the next line, and it's Larry Glick on BZ. He had heard about what we were doing from someone who called him, so he dialed us up. We wound up doing a half hour together, live on both stations. I still have the show on a 7 inch reel somewhere. Should dump it to digital before the tape disintegrates! Joe Corcoran From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Mar 29 20:22:16 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com><38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on this subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio stations that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used to share 570 and 820; they were the last two I knew of. I think there were a couple of NYC stations that also shared time into at least the '60s, but I can't remember what they were. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > At 02:19 PM 3/29/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>Now, my question is whether the first WSSH shared time with another >>station (WNAC most likely)? > > Oh absolutely it shared time. It went on the air in 1924 as WDBR, and in > 1926, changed call letters to WSSH, run by the Tremont Temple Baptist > Church. The AM dial back then was incredibly crowded, so stations > regularly shared time, and they did not like doing so. WSSH had its > frequency moved a couple of times, and it shared time with WBET (owned by > the Boston Evening Transcript), WLEX in Lexington (before it moved to > Boston), and briefly, WMAF down in So. Dartmouth. I don't see it sharing > any time with WNAC however. From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 29 21:13:58 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:13:58 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com><38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49D01CD6.7000009@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on this > subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio stations > that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used to share 570 > and 820; they were the last two I knew of. I think there were a couple > of NYC stations that also shared time into at least the '60s, but I > can't remember what they were. -Doug The NYC stations you're thinking of were WPOW and WEVD (later WNYM) on 1330 and WBNX on 1380, which yielded Sundays to WAWZ in Zarephath NJ. Both share-times had ended by 1984. The last AM sharetimes remaining are on 1450 in Cicero (Chicago) IL, shared by WCEV and WRLL, and on 1240 in Decorah IA, shared by KDEC and KWLC. Another prominent example on 580 in Kansas ended a few years back (WIBW Topeka/KKSU Manhattan), and Chicago had a three-way split on 1240 well into the nineties. There's an FM sharetime as close as Rhode Island, where the Coventry High School station, WCVY, shares 91.5 with religious WRJI. It's one of a dozen or so sharetimes on FM around the country. s From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 29 21:17:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:17:26 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <49D01CD6.7000009@fybush.com> References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> <49D01CD6.7000009@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18896.7590.932959.993820@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There's an FM sharetime as close as Rhode Island, where the Coventry > High School station, WCVY, shares 91.5 with religious WRJI. It's one of > a dozen or so sharetimes on FM around the country. And these are becoming more numerous, as one of the ways the FCC resolves equally-ranked LPFM applications is to order the applicants to share time. There's one of these in Greenfield (also involving a religious and a secular operator). -GAWollman From heritageradio@msn.com Sun Mar 29 22:15:44 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:15:44 -0400 Subject: Larry Message-ID: Larry was a friend, and I was delighted to appear a few times on the old WMEX with him in the early 60's playing vintage radio clips and giving out what Larry called "swell prizes" to listeners identifying voices or answering questions about the old shows. I recall him using hypnosis with the college student who was the overnight board operator who was so tired he didn't think he would be able to go to school. I watched, with amazement, as Larry hypnotized the young man to feel alert and refreshed. Larry loved so many things, so diverse - old time radio, German marches, 5-string banjo music (he even bought one) and, most of all, people. He was very kind in getting me commercial radio opportunities from time to time. I supplied a lot of his original "clips" like "Gunga Din" and vintage radio voices. He told me that the first job he had in Boston was at WCOP after he returned from his Army tour in Germany. He was offered (and accepted for a little while) a job a couple of times a day reading 5 minutes of "Veteran's News" at the old studios at the Copley Plaza hotel. Despite his energy (most nights) and outgoing personality, Larry was a very kind and unassuming person who sometimes was blatantly honest about things he felt were wrong or unjust in broadcasting. His hypnosis work was both for entertainment and as an adjunct to a local psychologist who worked with patients who had habits (such as smoking) that are amenable to treatment with hypnosis. A couple of years ago he was working on an idea to record habit-eradication CD's, but this never came to pass. I am glad I knew him, and had a chance to spend time with him on and off the air. Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 29 21:24:34 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:24:34 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <18896.7590.932959.993820@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com> <38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> <49D01CD6.7000009@fybush.com> <18896.7590.932959.993820@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49D01F52.2040608@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> There's an FM sharetime as close as Rhode Island, where the Coventry >> High School station, WCVY, shares 91.5 with religious WRJI. It's one of >> a dozen or so sharetimes on FM around the country. > > And these are becoming more numerous, as one of the ways the FCC > resolves equally-ranked LPFM applications is to order the applicants > to share time. There's one of these in Greenfield (also involving a > religious and a secular operator). I wasn't even considering LPFMs in my count - yes, there are a fair number of those out there, though so far many more have been licensed than actually bothered to operate. s From heritageradio@msn.com Sun Mar 29 22:26:15 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:26:15 -0400 Subject: RF Interference Message-ID: I am getting very light RF interference on my computer here in Newton (near Brookline line) Of course, I am not surprised since I can see most of the tower lights at night of the antennae in Newton/Needham, but hope they will be able to add whatever filtration needed to fix this problem which was discussed in the current issue of THE NEWTON TAB. I followed the directions in their article: "Oak Hill: Where landlines sing & toilets talk" but in order to "comment" on RF trouble, it is necessary to "register" - but found this impossible because the verifying (no-spam) letters/numerals are not totally within the windows page. Hmmmmm..... Tom Heathwood From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 29 23:19:33 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:19:33 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: <20090328220516.ECE0744C012@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com><49CEB97D.7367.5CE148@joe.attorneyross.com><38AD099450374DF4B5BCB27AB102A5A6@SatU205S5044> <20090329231241.93CE91B4007@relay17.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> <49D01CD6.7000009@fybush.com> Message-ID: <9BD58A16D466458391634DD72CE4FBB8@SatU205S5044> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Donna Halper" ; "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > > The NYC stations you're thinking of were WPOW and WEVD (later WNYM) > on 1330 and WBNX on 1380, which yielded Sundays to WAWZ in Zarephath > NJ. Both share-times had ended by 1984. The time-share on 1330 in NYC involved three stations for many years. The third station wasn't in the New York area, however; it was WHAZ in Troy NY, which operated only on Monday evenings from 6:00PM onward and was licensed to operate until 3:00AM Tuesdays. It signed off at Monday midnight, however. WHAZ was the first of the three 1330 stations to break free of the time-share. It did so by becoming a daytimer and now operates full-time as a Class D, which means it has some pathetically small night power, although now that that the New York station relocated its transmitter from Staten Island to Hackensack NJ and is directional to the southeast instead of sending a big signal up the Hudson Valley, those few watts cover somewhat more territory. In addition to 1330 and 1380, there was a time-share on 1280 in the New York area that continued into the '50s and maybe the '60s. What is now WADO yielded Sundays to WHBI Newark, which eventually moved to FM. Decades earlier, nearly every AM in the New York/New Jersey metro area shared time with one or more other AMs. At one time, WNYC (then owned by the City of New York) shared time with WMCA. This led to some contentious wrangling in which WNYC at one time refused to sign off and the case wound up in court. Eventually, the FCC moved WNYC off 570 to 810, which became 830 with the advent of NARBA 68 years ago today. On 810/830, WNYC had to sign off at Minneapolis sunset. It wasn't until the 80s, when the FCC broke down the clear channels, that WNYC became a full-timer on 820. Curiously, this move reunited WNYC with WMCA, which are now diplexed from WMCA's three-tower site in S Kearney NJ. > > The last AM sharetimes remaining are on 1450 in Cicero (Chicago) IL, > shared by WCEV and WRLL, and on 1240 in Decorah IA, shared by KDEC > and KWLC. Another prominent example on 580 in Kansas ended a few > years back (WIBW Topeka/KKSU Manhattan), and Chicago had a three-way > split on 1240 well into the nineties. And don't forget the arrangement between what was once KTW in Seattle and KWSC in Pullman in eastern WA. Both stations are on 1250 and are several hundred miles apart, so they could both operate simultaneously during the day. Until KTW directionalized to protect KWSC at night, however, the two stations had to share the nighttime hours. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 29 23:52:10 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:52:10 -0400 Subject: RF Interference References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas heathwood" To: "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: RF Interference I am getting very light RF interference on my computer here in Newton (near Brookline line) Of course, I am not surprised since I can see most of the tower lights at night of the antennae in Newton/Needham, but hope they will be able to add whatever filtration needed to fix this problem which was discussed in the current issue of THE NEWTON TAB. I followed the directions in their article: "Oak Hill: Where landlines sing & toilets talk" but in order to "comment" on RF trouble, it is necessary to "register" - but found this impossible because the verifying (no-spam) letters/numerals are not totally within the windows page. Hmmmmm..... Tom Heathwood ----- >From your description of your location, your interference problem most likely comes from WKOX/WRCA/WUNR, which only began operating at full power two weeks ago from the former WUNR site at 750 Sawmill Brook Parkway in Newton's Oak Hill section. But these stations have no tower lights! The five 200' towers that replaced WUNR's two 350' towers are not tall enough to require illumination. So correlating your interference problem with the visibility of the lights on the tall FM/TV towers is a red herring. I tried in vain to find the URL of the Web site you mentioned for sending interference reports to WKOX/WRCA/WUNR. Since I can't find the site, I can't comment on your experiences with it. The problems you reported experiencing with the Web site may be caused by the Web page you are trying to access or the setup of your browser. If you are using a recent version of Internet Explorer, see if you can reduce the magnification of the page. The controls for doing that are at the extreme lower right corner of the IE window--but, at least for me, they don't appear on every Web page I visit. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Mar 30 01:13:54 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:13:54 -0500 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> References: , <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49D00EC2.21765.40BCB1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Mar 2009 at 20:22, Doug Drown wrote: > A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on this > subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio > stations that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used to > share 570 and 820; they were the last two I knew of. When did that time-share end? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Mon Mar 30 09:57:55 2009 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:57:55 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:41:40 EDT." <49CFCEF4.90400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200903301357.n2UDvtj9015272@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Well, maybe the FCC stopped sending out such letters when the info >> appeared on the FCC's Web site. I remember seeing such a letter in >> 1952 in the files of then campus-limited carrier-current WRPI, which, >> along with a number of other campus-limited college stations had >> gotten the FCC to "reserve" its call sign so that it could not be >> taken by another station. Scott replied: >I wonder when that practice ended? I'm thinking no later than the 1970s, >and probably sooner. > >I've acquired some relatively complete historical files from some >stations dating back to the 1950s, and have never seen a letter like the >one Dan describes. I wonder if someone at WRPI made a specific request >for that historical information? I never saw such a letter for the 1979 WTBS->WMBR call sign change. Only when I paged through an old Broadcasting yearbook did I find out that the WMBR calls had previously been assigned to an AM in Jacksonville, Florida. (Later on, I found out they had been used as early as the 1920s, in Tampa.) -shawn From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 09:43:01 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't recall seeing mention here of Jordan Rich show on WCCO 830 Message-ID: <205535.6825.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't recall seeing any mention here of WBZ's Jordan Rich show being on WCCO 830 Minneapolis Saturday mornings from 1:00AM-4:00AM and Sundays from 1:00AM-2:30AM. I'm curious what used to be in that time slot on WCC0. I recall Jordan saying during the switch to Daylight Saving Time that his show on WCCO was only on for 20 minutes that morning due to the time change and a programming change. John B New Hampshire From scott@fybush.com Mon Mar 30 12:52:38 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:52:38 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <49D00EC2.21765.40BCB1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown> <49D00EC2.21765.40BCB1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49D0F8D6.5000309@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 29 Mar 2009 at 20:22, Doug Drown wrote: > >> A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on this >> subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio >> stations that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used to >> share 570 and 820; they were the last two I knew of. > > When did that time-share end? I believe it was in 1970, possibly 1971. That was indeed a unique situation, in which both stations were on the air full-time, but trading occupancy of the regional 570 channel and the clear channel 820 from daypart to daypart. IIRC, 820 was always the NBC affiliate, regardless of which station was operating on that frequency, and 570 was always the ABC. Each station had its own FM simulcast, and those weren't sharetime, so 97.9 was always WFAA-FM, but was sometimes an NBC affiliate // 820 and sometimes an ABC affiliate // 570 - and vice versa on WBAP-FM 96.3. There was *almost* a similar situation on TV here in Rochester, where WHEC-TV and WVET-TV shared channel 10 from 1953 until 1962. They operated channel 10 as a primary CBS affiliate, with some secondary ABC programming - but in the mid-fifties, they considered the possibility of applying for vacant UHF channel 27. Channel 27, if it had come on the air, would have been a primary ABC affiliate, also shared between WHEC-TV and WVET-TV. Whichever station wasn't operating the CBS affiliate on channel 10 at any given time would have been operating ABC on 27. The project never saw reality, since the FCC shuffled TV allotments in the meantime, creating a new channel 13 allotment in town that was ticketed to become the ABC station. (Still is, as a matter of fact.) The channel 10 sharetime ended when WVET's owners bought the NBC station, WROC-TV, and sold their half of channel 10 to WHEC-TV. s From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Mar 30 11:59:36 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:59:36 -0400 Subject: Don't recall seeing mention here of Jordan Rich show on WCCO 830 In-Reply-To: <205535.6825.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <205535.6825.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had read somewhere that Jordan's weekend shows were made available to the other stations airing Overnight America which briefly replaced the Steve Lavielle Broadcast. That would mean all or parts of the shows popped up not only on WCCO but KDKA and KMOX as well. Even though WBZ has returned to local programming during the week, this arrangement may be continuing, at least with WCCO. -Dave Tomm On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:43 AM, John Bolduc wrote: > > I don't recall seeing any mention here of WBZ's Jordan Rich show > being on WCCO 830 Minneapolis Saturday mornings from 1:00AM-4:00AM > and Sundays from 1:00AM-2:30AM. > > I'm curious what used to be in that time slot on WCC0. I recall > Jordan saying during the switch to Daylight Saving Time that his > show on WCCO was only on for 20 minutes that morning due to the time > change and a programming change. > > John B > New Hampshire From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Mar 30 14:56:22 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:56:22 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? References: , <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown><49D00EC2.21765.40BCB1@joe.attorneyross.com> <49D0F8D6.5000309@fybush.com> Message-ID: <27DAC62391FD405E86F9A8B03B55CA86@SatU205S5044> You didn't mention the logisitically bizarre, if not outright impossible, manner in which WFAA and WBAP divided the time on the two frequencies. Given the intense and long-standing rivalry between Dallas (to which WFAA is licensed) and Fort Worth (to which WBAP is licensed), I suppose that such a stupid arrangement was inevitable, but it's amazing that the two stations didn't have to cart a new GM and PD off to padded cells every six months or so. If I've got this striaght, each station got exactly 84 hours of air time each week. (Don't ask how they managed the 167- and 169-hour weeks at the beginning and end of Daylight Saving Time; I don't know how they accomplished that.) Moreover, over a two-week span, each station got every hour of every day exactly once. So, for example, if WFAA had Sunday evening from 8:00 to 9:00 this week, WBAP would have that same time period next week. I don't know how many hours at a time each station was on each frequency, but I think the air staffs stayed with the frequencies NOT with the call letters, so aside from the call letters changing at the handoff (which must have confused many listeners), the programming appeared continuous to the listeners. To minimize listener confusion, perhaps they avoided mentioning call letters except at the legal IDs and, whenever possible, mentioned only the frequency. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> On 29 Mar 2009 at 20:22, Doug Drown wrote: >> >>> A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on >>> this >>> subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio >>> stations that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used >>> to >>> share 570 and 820; they were the last two I knew of. >> >> When did that time-share end? > > I believe it was in 1970, possibly 1971. > > That was indeed a unique situation, in which both stations were on > the air full-time, but trading occupancy of the regional 570 channel > and the clear channel 820 from daypart to daypart. > > IIRC, 820 was always the NBC affiliate, regardless of which station > was operating on that frequency, and 570 was always the ABC. > > Each station had its own FM simulcast, and those weren't sharetime, > so 97.9 was always WFAA-FM, but was sometimes an NBC affiliate // > 820 and sometimes an ABC affiliate // 570 - and vice versa on > WBAP-FM 96.3. > > There was *almost* a similar situation on TV here in Rochester, > where WHEC-TV and WVET-TV shared channel 10 from 1953 until 1962. > They operated channel 10 as a primary CBS affiliate, with some > secondary ABC programming - but in the mid-fifties, they considered > the possibility of applying for vacant UHF channel 27. > > Channel 27, if it had come on the air, would have been a primary ABC > affiliate, also shared between WHEC-TV and WVET-TV. Whichever > station wasn't operating the CBS affiliate on channel 10 at any > given time would have been operating ABC on 27. > > The project never saw reality, since the FCC shuffled TV allotments > in the meantime, creating a new channel 13 allotment in town that > was ticketed to become the ABC station. (Still is, as a matter of > fact.) > > The channel 10 sharetime ended when WVET's owners bought the NBC > station, WROC-TV, and sold their half of channel 10 to WHEC-TV. > > s From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Mar 30 15:31:12 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:31:12 -0400 Subject: Oldest religious broadcast? In-Reply-To: <27DAC62391FD405E86F9A8B03B55CA86@SatU205S5044> References: , <129C89C98EBA4C88900B3E902C714175@DougDrown><49D00EC2.21765.40BCB1@joe.attorneyross.com><49D0F8D6.5000309@fybush.com> <27DAC62391FD405E86F9A8B03B55CA86@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <0117D8176FB744A38CA8E879D506B136@CurleyJoe> I used to tune in for the handover when I was a kid in the 60s. It was something like "WFAA 820 AM and FM Dallas (click) WBAP 820 Radio Alive Fort Worth" I don't think there was a WBAP-FM because only WFAA mentioned an FM station. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:56 PM To: Scott Fybush; A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston Radio Interest Board Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? You didn't mention the logisitically bizarre, if not outright impossible, manner in which WFAA and WBAP divided the time on the two frequencies. Given the intense and long-standing rivalry between Dallas (to which WFAA is licensed) and Fort Worth (to which WBAP is licensed), I suppose that such a stupid arrangement was inevitable, but it's amazing that the two stations didn't have to cart a new GM and PD off to padded cells every six months or so. If I've got this striaght, each station got exactly 84 hours of air time each week. (Don't ask how they managed the 167- and 169-hour weeks at the beginning and end of Daylight Saving Time; I don't know how they accomplished that.) Moreover, over a two-week span, each station got every hour of every day exactly once. So, for example, if WFAA had Sunday evening from 8:00 to 9:00 this week, WBAP would have that same time period next week. I don't know how many hours at a time each station was on each frequency, but I think the air staffs stayed with the frequencies NOT with the call letters, so aside from the call letters changing at the handoff (which must have confused many listeners), the programming appeared continuous to the listeners. To minimize listener confusion, perhaps they avoided mentioning call letters except at the legal IDs and, whenever possible, mentioned only the frequency. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Oldest religious broadcast? > A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> On 29 Mar 2009 at 20:22, Doug Drown wrote: >> >>> A somewhat-but-not-entirely irrelevant question, since we're on >>> this >>> subject: Are there still any communities in the U.S. with radio >>> stations that share time? WBAP and WFAA in Fort Worth/Dallas used >>> to >>> share 570 and 820; they were the last two I knew of. >> >> When did that time-share end? > > I believe it was in 1970, possibly 1971. > > That was indeed a unique situation, in which both stations were on > the air full-time, but trading occupancy of the regional 570 channel > and the clear channel 820 from daypart to daypart. > > IIRC, 820 was always the NBC affiliate, regardless of which station > was operating on that frequency, and 570 was always the ABC. > > Each station had its own FM simulcast, and those weren't sharetime, > so 97.9 was always WFAA-FM, but was sometimes an NBC affiliate // > 820 and sometimes an ABC affiliate // 570 - and vice versa on > WBAP-FM 96.3. > > There was *almost* a similar situation on TV here in Rochester, > where WHEC-TV and WVET-TV shared channel 10 from 1953 until 1962. > They operated channel 10 as a primary CBS affiliate, with some > secondary ABC programming - but in the mid-fifties, they considered > the possibility of applying for vacant UHF channel 27. > > Channel 27, if it had come on the air, would have been a primary ABC > affiliate, also shared between WHEC-TV and WVET-TV. Whichever > station wasn't operating the CBS affiliate on channel 10 at any > given time would have been operating ABC on 27. > > The project never saw reality, since the FCC shuffled TV allotments > in the meantime, creating a new channel 13 allotment in town that > was ticketed to become the ABC station. (Still is, as a matter of > fact.) > > The channel 10 sharetime ended when WVET's owners bought the NBC > station, WROC-TV, and sold their half of channel 10 to WHEC-TV. > > s From torchia@technologist.com Mon Mar 30 08:55:49 2009 From: torchia@technologist.com (Bud Torchia) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:55:49 -0500 Subject: OLD EMPLOYER Message-ID: <20090330125549.842AF11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Having lost contact for more years than I care to remember, does anyone on the list happen to know what ever happened to MURRAY CARPENTER, (probably no longer with us?) who gave me my first job in radio way back in 1953 at WGUY in Bangor. Our studios were in what is now the Ch.2 building on Mt. Hope Ave. When I left for greener pastures, Murray was in the process of building WTWO-TV (ch.2) at the same location. Bud -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon Mar 30 13:35:43 2009 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:35:43 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question Message-ID: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> Joe, usually...but not always...the TIS/HAR (Traveler's Info System/Highway Advisory Radio) transmitters are physically mounted on the highway sign announcing the presence of a TIS/HAR transmitter. Look for a small metal box, usually about 1.5ft square, with a 6-10ft whip antenna coming out of the top. That's usually the transmitter. Sometimes there's two boxes (a transmitter and an ATU/Antenna Tuning Unit) but usually it's just one. Often the quality of the audio does indeed stink; these units are IIRC limited to 10 watts ERP and the antennas are, as you might imagine, pretty low-efficiency. There's often a decent ground connection via the steel frame of the roadsign but that's only going to help so much. Toss in that the audio itself is usually fed via telephone, and not a good telephone (sometimes it's a cellphone) and there you go - crappy audio. For a long time there was an amusing setup on Rt.128 southbound, between the Rt.3 and MassPike exits (I don't remember exactly) where there was a new TIS roadsign and right behind it was a totally wrecked TIS roadsign that clearly still had a battered and beaten TIS transmitter attached to it. The new sign did not appear to have a new transmitter, so I had to assume that the old one was still marginally functional. I don't think Massachusetts has any, but upstate NY and parts of VT have LPFM licenses for TIS/HAR purposes. Those are different kettles of fish entirely as the antenna and transmitter are no different than any other LPFM, and may or may not (probably not) be mounted on the TIS/HAR announcement roadsign. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm I am wondering where the transmitters are for the highway radio channels? They are advertising it in Woburn along 128, but the signal is really scratchy. Thanks! Joe Brown From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 31 00:18:59 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:18:59 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question In-Reply-To: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> References: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <18897.39347.372728.223051@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I don't think Massachusetts has any, but upstate NY and parts of VT have > LPFM licenses for TIS/HAR purposes. Those are different kettles of fish > entirely as the antenna and transmitter are no different than any other > LPFM, and may or may not (probably not) be mounted on the TIS/HAR > announcement roadsign. The VTrans ones are all on ordinary communications towers. The two that I've seen in person, WRAN-LP and WDER-LP, share the tower of a commercial FM. Fitzpatrick has photos of them on his site; I am embarrassingly far behind in putting my own photos up. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 09:53:07 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question - Vermont TIS/HAR LPFM Message-ID: <272804.22169.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Vermont uses Very Low power FM at their Rest Areas throughout the state at about 8 locations. They have brochures at the rest areas listing the purpose and frequencies. Same TIS/HAR type traffic.? ? There is one on I-91 northbound just north of the Mass border.? By time you merge back onto the highway leaving the rest area, the signal is gone! The audio quality, however, is top notch! ? This info is over five years old, gathered when I was last at a Vermont rest area, but I believe it is still valid. ? John B ? From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:36:12 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:36:12 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question - Vermont TIS/HAR LPFM In-Reply-To: <272804.22169.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <272804.22169.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D2548C.1050609@gmail.com> John Bolduc wrote: > There is one on I-91 northbound just north of the Mass border. By time you merge back onto the highway leaving the rest area, the signal is gone! The audio quality, however, is top notch! Unfortunately, the Vermont solons under the golden dome are opting out of trimming the pork in state government in response to economic challenges. Good jobs at good wages. They are planning to close the welcome centers (some of which are new). Perhaps they will keep the signals up. By the way, 70s and 80s style newsrooms of my youth in the Bay State, were they to be applied to Vermont today would make for many driveway moments. I suppose you could apply that to any place today. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:01:48 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:01:48 -0400 Subject: News in the Tank - and ear hair moment Message-ID: <49D25A8C.3030804@gmail.com> I know it is becoming old-guy-ear-hair-old to blast-off into this: I remember when news people on an incoming line actually evoked a bit of concern to the policy wonks and pols on the receiving end. And the media faces and voices who are said to be having a modicum of impact on keeping pols in line have become caricatures. Why are Internet news sources not in agreements with local stations? Or am I missing something? . Bill From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Mar 31 14:34:54 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:34:54 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question - Vermont TIS/HAR LPFM In-Reply-To: <49D2548C.1050609@gmail.com> References: <272804.22169.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D2548C.1050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c9b22f$639d9ad0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:36 PM > To: John Bolduc > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Mass Highway Radio Question - Vermont TIS/HAR LPFM > > Unfortunately, the Vermont solons under the golden dome are > opting out of trimming the pork in state government in > response to economic challenges. Good jobs at good wages. > They are planning to close the welcome centers (some of which > are new). Perhaps they will keep the signals up. I thought they were only planning to close some of the welcome centers/rest areas, not all of them? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 16:01:49 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Florida Keys antenna tower sites ?? Message-ID: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be visiting the Florida Keys in three weeks and wondered if there any antenna tower sites that might be worth seeing. Is there anything at Marathon, (VOA), or is that gone ? John B New Hampshire From ecps92@earthlink.net Tue Mar 31 18:27:43 2009 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:27:43 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question References: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <409C5781A3DB4BCDA8E9FA3F2E2F08D4@D60NFN81> Many of the ones, I have seen, have been mounted on Trailers that would typically containt the flashing arrows or Traffic Signs. They have Solar Panels and can be placed in the median or in-between the ramps, such as the Rte-128/Rte-93 Clover ramps. A typical annual location, that might already be in-place is Rte-90 at Rte-495 for the Boston Marathon. Licenses in Massachusetts are Bedford 1.6400 Brockton 1.6200 Leominster 1.6200 Natick 1.6300 Plymouth 1.6200 Sharon - 1.6300 Mass Highway - Temp 530 Khz Mass Highway - Temp 1.7000 Mass Turnpike - Auburn, Boston, E.Boston, Charlton, Weston, Westboro 530 Khz Mass Steamship - Falmouth 1.6100 Mass Steamship - Hyannis 1.6100 Massport - Taxi Pool 1.6500 State of New Hampshire 530 khz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: RE: Mass Highway Radio Question > Joe, usually...but not always...the TIS/HAR (Traveler's Info > System/Highway Advisory Radio) transmitters are physically mounted on the > highway sign announcing the presence of a TIS/HAR transmitter. Look for a > small metal box, usually about 1.5ft square, with a 6-10ft whip antenna > coming out of the top. That's usually the transmitter. > > Sometimes there's two boxes (a transmitter and an ATU/Antenna Tuning Unit) > but usually it's just one. > > Often the quality of the audio does indeed stink; these units are IIRC > limited to 10 watts ERP and the antennas are, as you might imagine, pretty > low-efficiency. There's often a decent ground connection via the steel > frame of the roadsign but that's only going to help so much. Toss in that > the audio itself is usually fed via telephone, and not a good telephone > (sometimes it's a cellphone) and there you go - crappy audio. > > For a long time there was an amusing setup on Rt.128 southbound, between > the Rt.3 and MassPike exits (I don't remember exactly) where there was a > new TIS roadsign and right behind it was a totally wrecked TIS roadsign > that clearly still had a battered and beaten TIS transmitter attached to > it. The new sign did not appear to have a new transmitter, so I had to > assume that the old one was still marginally functional. > > I don't think Massachusetts has any, but upstate NY and parts of VT have > LPFM licenses for TIS/HAR purposes. Those are different kettles of fish > entirely as the antenna and transmitter are no different than any other > LPFM, and may or may not (probably not) be mounted on the TIS/HAR > announcement roadsign. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio > readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) > Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm > > > > I am wondering where the transmitters are for the highway radio > channels? They are advertising it in Woburn along 128, but the signal > is really scratchy. > > Thanks! > > Joe Brown From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Mar 31 18:49:46 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:49:46 -0400 Subject: Florida Keys antenna tower sites ?? In-Reply-To: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18898.40458.810196.232595@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'll be visiting the Florida Keys in three weeks and wondered if > there any antenna tower sites that might be worth seeing. Is there > anything at Marathon, (VOA), or is that gone ? Radio Marti is still there, and the USAF blimp base. You can't get too close to either one, but the keys are flat, flat, flat so you can still see something. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:58:32 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:58:32 -0600 Subject: Florida Keys antenna tower sites ?? In-Reply-To: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903311458n2b5817d7l307836b1363b6b41@mail.gmail.com> The neatest I know of, being an AM radio fan, is 250 Watter, 3 tower facility WKIZ 1500 licensed to Key West. it's 3 towers are sitting in the water. Just type in their calls on radio-dislocator and click the transmitter site co-ordinates and it'll show you where they are when you click "Satelitte" WKIZ likes to claim they serve Cuba. It has a pretty good signal for 250W due to where it's towers and ground system is (also in the water)... but I dunno if it's THAT good! Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > > I'll be visiting the Florida Keys in three weeks and wondered if there any > antenna tower sites that might be worth seeing. Is there anything at > Marathon, (VOA), or is that gone ? > > John B > New Hampshire > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Mar 31 19:16:21 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:16:21 -0400 Subject: OLD EMPLOYER References: <20090330125549.842AF11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <5367493E19604DECAA03C4A13A493301@DougDrown> Google Mr. Carpenter's name and eventually you will find a St. Petersburg Times article about his death. He passed away in 1990 at age 74, having lived in Florida since 1963 and enjoying a long career in station ownership there. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Torchia" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: RE: OLD EMPLOYER > Having lost contact for more years than I care to remember, does anyone > on the list > happen to know what ever happened to MURRAY CARPENTER, (probably no > longer with us?) who gave me my first job in radio way back in 1953 at > WGUY in Bangor. > Our studios were in what is now the Ch.2 building on Mt. Hope Ave. When > I left for > greener pastures, Murray was in the process of building WTWO-TV (ch.2) > at the same location. > > Bud > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 19:35:33 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cuts at WJAR Message-ID: <281941.59809.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Meterologist Gary Ley (who was with the station 24 years), weekend anchor Kelley McGee and news director Betty-Jo Cugini among the cuts. Media General is talking cuts in other stations (Raliegh, Tampa.) Not a good time in the industry. http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_CHANNEL_10_CUTS_03-31-09_F7DSNHD_v18.30aa71a.html From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 20:15:34 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cuts at WJAR In-Reply-To: <281941.59809.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <261937.40924.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 3/31/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Meterologist Gary Ley (who was with the station 24 years), > weekend anchor Kelley McGee and news director Betty-Jo > Cugini among the cuts. Media General is talking cuts in > other stations (Raliegh, Tampa.) Not a good time in the > industry. > > http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_CHANNEL_10_CUTS_03-31-09_F7DSNHD_v18.30aa71a.html I never thought I'd see a time where TV and radio were in as bad shape as the newspaper industry. Media General is looking to cluster properties (newspapers, TV) in geographic markets as much as possible, see Tampa, so I would not be surprised if they dumped WJAR at some point soon (if they can find a buyer). From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 20:27:16 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cuts at WJAR In-Reply-To: <261937.40924.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <261937.40924.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888830.99071.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They've already grouped their properties by region, and Providence has been put in with Columbus, Ohio. That tells you how they see things. If MG dumps WJAR, who would buy them? It took NBC long enough to find a buyer last time. Are we looking at a time where signals could go dark (not necessarily this one)? BTW WNBC let Len Berman go. ________________________________ From: Sean Smyth To: Boston Radio Group ; Maureen Carney Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:15:34 PM Subject: Re: Cuts at WJAR On Tue, 3/31/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Meterologist Gary Ley (who was with the station 24 years), > weekend anchor Kelley McGee and news director Betty-Jo > Cugini among the cuts. Media General is talking cuts in > other stations (Raliegh, Tampa.) Not a good time in the > industry. > > http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_CHANNEL_10_CUTS_03-31-09_F7DSNHD_v18.30aa71a.html I never thought I'd see a time where TV and radio were in as bad shape as the newspaper industry. Media General is looking to cluster properties (newspapers, TV) in geographic markets as much as possible, see Tampa, so I would not be surprised if they dumped WJAR at some point soon (if they can find a buyer). From dave@skywaves.net Tue Mar 31 20:13:37 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:13:37 -0400 Subject: Florida Keys antenna tower sites ?? References: <665010.83648.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80903311458n2b5817d7l307836b1363b6b41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <649911EDD1A441218F4883D0F47E87D9@skywaves.com> WKIZ has a figure-8 pattern with almost all the power going east and west. There's a co-channel station in Santa Clara, southeast of Havana, which would wipe them out well east of Havana. And there are two first adjacents, SE and SW of Havana. But it's possible they might be heard during the daytime along the north coast near Havana and points west. At night, they would probably be wiped out by WTOP. The transmitter is located at the west end of 5th Street. -Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "John Bolduc" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Florida Keys antenna tower sites ?? > > The neatest I know of, being an AM radio fan, is 250 Watter, 3 tower > facility WKIZ 1500 licensed to Key West. it's 3 towers are sitting in the > water. > > Just type in their calls on radio-dislocator and click the transmitter > site > co-ordinates and it'll show you where they are when you click "Satelitte" > > WKIZ likes to claim they serve Cuba. It has a pretty good signal for 250W > due to where it's towers and ground system is (also in the water)... but I > dunno if it's THAT good! > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > >> >> I'll be visiting the Florida Keys in three weeks and wondered if there >> any >> antenna tower sites that might be worth seeing. Is there anything at >> Marathon, (VOA), or is that gone ? >> >> John B >> New Hampshire >> >