From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 02:15:43 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:15:43 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?&articleid=1142392&format=&page=2&listingType=media#articleFull No idea what will replace them; shocker (budget cuts? The ax also fell on Colin McEnroe at sister WTIC) What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? So much for Mel Simon's audio clip trivia and "I love you, I love you madly". From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 1 03:08:32 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:08:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090101080837.87E8B1B55C1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 02:15 AM 1/1/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ >is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell >Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. Lovell Dyatt was there since the 70s!!! And he was their only African-American talk show host, I believe. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 07:20:57 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:20:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <05F25C3B11C54C949C7FB320945DEE0D@SatU205S5044> Speculating on what 'BZ would do to fill the overnights, I figured that leased time would be CBS's best hope for "monetizing" the open slot. Now that Brother Stair has left WWZN and Roy Masters, who is always looking for big AM signals with good overnight reach, is on WBIX during the daytime, I wondered whether the two of them might not divide the five hours a night on WBZ (say, Masters from midnight until 2:00AM and Stair from 2:00AM to 5:00AM). And then it hit me--I had proposed a combo with a name so catchy that nobody would be likely to forget it: The Stair Master Program. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:15 AM Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?&articleid=1142392&format=&page=2&listingType=media#articleFull No idea what will replace them; shocker (budget cuts? The ax also fell on Colin McEnroe at sister WTIC) What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? So much for Mel Simon's audio clip trivia and "I love you, I love you madly". From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 1 07:30:43 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:30:43 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <05F25C3B11C54C949C7FB320945DEE0D@SatU205S5044> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <05F25C3B11C54C949C7FB320945DEE0D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901010430s5b51717dl21c3f0bb0deaa27@mail.gmail.com> No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. For one thing, Stair is VERY, VERY, VERY CHEAP.. he does not pay ANYWHERE NEAR the going rate for brokered/block time.(Trust me, I KNOW from FIRST HAND expierience! He also does NOT sign contracts He will also pull at a moments notice after only a month or two if he gets no response. I've personally heard him get on the air and throw a fit when listeners weren't contacting him. Plus, the overall quality of the program is downright horrible! Roy Masters is a bit of a weirdo, but he's at least listenable and not as Strange as brother Stair. Paul Walker On 1/1/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > Speculating on what 'BZ would do to fill the overnights, I figured > that leased time would be CBS's best hope for "monetizing" the open > slot. Now that Brother Stair has left WWZN and Roy Masters, who is > always looking for big AM signals with good overnight reach, is on > WBIX during the daytime, I wondered whether the two of them might not > divide the five hours a night on WBZ (say, Masters from midnight until > 2:00AM and Stair from 2:00AM to 5:00AM). And then it hit me--I had > proposed a combo with a name so catchy that nobody would be likely to > forget it: The Stair Master Program. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:15 AM > Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > > SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ is > cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell > Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. > > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?&articleid=1142392&format=&page=2&listingType=media#articleFull > > No idea what will replace them; shocker (budget cuts? The ax also fell > on Colin McEnroe at sister WTIC) > > What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? So much > for Mel Simon's audio clip trivia > and "I love you, I love you madly". > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 09:25:44 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:25:44 -0500 Subject: Steve Mason Out At WXBR Brockton Message-ID: <004301c96c1c$d72acbc0$0302a8c0@Mark> Steve Mason, morning host at WXBR Brockton (1460, formerly WBET) was let go from the station after finishing his show Monday morning, apparently the victim of cost-cutting by the station's owners. Mason was with WBET from 1984 to 1996, and returned to the station in 2004. News Director Kevin Tocci will continue with live local newscasts in AM drive, and the "network programming" of the past will continue. If one reads between the lines, seems that Mason is being replaced by "birdfeed", although the article in the Brockton Enterprise does not specifically state if that's indeed the case. Link to said Enterprise article: http://www.enterprisenews.com/homepage/x1260948044/Familiar-voice-gone-from-airwaves-in-Brockton Happy New Year Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 11:03:27 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:03:27 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101080837.87E8B1B55C1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090101080837.87E8B1B55C1@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901010803g41197e7aq95dd4332a6c710e6@mail.gmail.com> When the most listened to station in town makes cuts like this you just want to cry. I feared Cuddy was dead meat when Alan was let go a month ago but Lovell and Steve is jaw dropping. On 1/1/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 02:15 AM 1/1/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >>SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ >>is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell >>Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. > > Lovell Dyatt was there since the 70s!!! And he was their only > African-American talk show host, I believe. > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jan 1 11:55:33 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:55:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. > > No idea what will replace them; shocker (budget cuts? The ax also fell on Colin McEnroe at sister WTIC) > > What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? So much for Mel Simon's audio clip trivia and "I love you, I love you madly". > I enjoyed Steve's overnight show. However, I am loyal to product, not the company. Guess I'll be listening (and nostalging) to North Shore 104.9 on the way home, now. Questions: Will Dan Rae do a crossover with BirdFeed at 11:58? Will producers be let go, too? Will they cancel news overnights? How about a sports show every evening from 7:00p to midnight. Bruins included. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 12:41:45 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:41:45 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> > I enjoyed Steve's overnight show. However, I am loyal to product, not > the company. Guess I'll be listening (and nostalging) to North Shore > 104.9 on the way home, now. Thoughts... > Questions: > Will Dan Rae do a crossover with BirdFeed at 11:58? Since we dont know what will be happenning overnights a WBZ, who can say....is it even logistical? > Will producers be let go, too? I would assume "producers" turn into board-ops..... > Will they cancel news overnights? Right now they carry CBS Network news overnight....followers by 2-3 minutes of local that was recorded by the eveing newscaster. > How about a sports show every evening from 7:00p to midnight. Bruins > included. Ick! I think this goes against the grain of their "When we're not bringing you the news, we're talking about it" format. All day long they are news....and in the evening they analyze the news. I think Dan Rae is there to stay. They need someone with a little marquee appeal to make the evening show interesting. I would guess some kind of syndicated product is going to end up on overnights....Although I don't know any programs that are worthy of the blowtorch signal of WBZ. I was very surprised when WJR ran the truckers show overnight. Is there some kind of syndicated "all news" format that they could put on overnights? (Didn't the AP used to offer something like that?) From MauOB@aol.com Thu Jan 1 12:47:31 2009 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:47:31 EST Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: I would not be surprised to see Rea on for his full shift after any sports. Then, a replay of his show overnight. Seems many stations nationwide are now running "rewinds" overnight. Such a shame not having Steve on .... he really did a great job with the right personality for overnight. In a message dated 1/1/2009 9:43:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, donald_astelle@yahoo.com writes: > I enjoyed Steve's overnight show. However, I am loyal to product, not > the company. Guess I'll be listening (and nostalging) to North Shore > 104.9 on the way home, now. Thoughts... > Questions: > Will Dan Rae do a crossover with BirdFeed at 11:58? Since we dont know what will be happenning overnights a WBZ, who can say....is it even logistical? > Will producers be let go, too? I would assume "producers" turn into board-ops..... > Will they cancel news overnights? Right now they carry CBS Network news overnight....followers by 2-3 minutes of local that was recorded by the eveing newscaster. > How about a sports show every evening from 7:00p to midnight. Bruins > included. Ick! I think this goes against the grain of their "When we're not bringing you the news, we're talking about it" format. All day long they are news....and in the evening they analyze the news. I think Dan Rae is there to stay. They need someone with a little marquee appeal to make the evening show interesting. I would guess some kind of syndicated product is going to end up on overnights....Although I don't know any programs that are worthy of the blowtorch signal of WBZ. I was very surprised when WJR ran the truckers show overnight. Is there some kind of syndicated "all news" format that they could put on overnights? (Didn't the AP used to offer something like that?) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org Thu Jan 1 08:03:24 2009 From: Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org (Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:03:24 -1000 Subject: John Bassett retires Message-ID: wasn't there a John Bassett who was Johny Most's sidekick before Jim Pansulo? From irw@well.com Thu Jan 1 12:49:37 2009 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:49:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Don A wrote: > Is there some kind of syndicated "all news" format that they could put > on overnights? (Didn't the AP used to offer something like that?) 1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. 2. Doesn't the BBC have an all-news format for the USA? Perhaps that is only available for noncomms, though. - Blaine --------------------------------------------------------------------- Blaine Thompson Indiana RadioWatch irw@well.com http://www.indianaradio.net AOL Instant Messenger: indianaradio5 From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 12:53:24 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:53:24 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001201c96c39$de2bd500$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:16 AM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? Since this is the season for wild unsubstantiated predictions, I'm gonna say that BZ will run "The Trucking Bozo" overnights. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 1 12:59:04 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:59:04 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18781.1128.233042.276259@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Don A wrote: >> Is there some kind of syndicated "all news" format that they could put >> on overnights? (Didn't the AP used to offer something like that?) > 1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. Not revenue-generating. > 2. Doesn't the BBC have an all-news format for the USA? Perhaps that is > only available for noncomms, though. Yes, it's syndicated by PRI, and already on WBUR-FM. This really, really sucks. I am truly at a loss for words. -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 13:00:44 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:00:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <895902.11728.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 1/1/09, Blaine Thompson wrote: > 1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. But HLN doesn't really have any "news" on the overnights anymore, just reairs of Nancy Grace and whatever other shows they're running now. > 2. Doesn't the BBC have an all-news format for the USA? > Perhaps that is > only available for noncomms, though. Even if World Service is available to commercial stations -- I can't see why it wouldn't be -- there are few opportunities to insert local product, including ads. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 1 13:05:13 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:05:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > 1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. Even back in the days when there was a "CNN Headline News" that did news 24/7 (it now goes simply by "HLN" and is more talk than news), that sort of cheap-ass solution was pretty much reserved for kilowatt graveyarders - but then, that's what my alma mater seems to be turning itself into. (Yes, I'm angry.) > 2. Doesn't the BBC have an all-news format for the USA? Perhaps that is > only available for noncomms, though. Correct - no space in that feed for commercials, and it's distributed nationally by Public Radio International. (And it's already claimed in Boston, by WBUR.) My understanding, though the details are still fuzzy, is that CBS is launching some sort of quasi-national overnight show that will come out of KMOX and be heard on BZ, KDKA, WCCO and KMOX, at least initially. That's better than picking up Art Bell or "Stair-Master," I suppose...but this still cheapens what was once a quality product, and I'm increasingly glad I got out when I did. I can't imagine I'd be having a very good time at 1170 Soldiers Field Road these days, assuming I still had a job there, which seems increasingly unlikely, considering. s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 12:07:52 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:07:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <316070.27236.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 1/1/09, Roger Kirk wrote: > How about a sports show every evening from 7:00p to > midnight. Bruins included. You know, I had wondered if this was the end game here, especially with Ordway not yet signed. But cutting two sports guys who have been there forever and have a history in the market (and with listeners) would indicate that's not so, unless they just plan on tearing apart the whole operation -- which, in my not-expert opinion, would be stupid. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 13:08:05 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:08:05 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770901011008w2dfa2445xcaffde16d6eda577@mail.gmail.com> What happens to Jordan Rich now? A blowtorch carrying the trucker channel is a waste. The target audience for the most part have satellite radio in their rigs and XM even carries WLW BZ has always been local, local, local. Around 1990 they carried Tom Snyder and it was a disaster. There is no way of knowing how many people listened to Steve both locally and across the country. I am just saddened by this. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 13:29:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:29:01 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011029q1ec05babm1d9d9e9a8ccb21c0@mail.gmail.com> The way CBS is cutting pennies now it is only a matter of time before they flip pne of the 2 newsradio stations in NY and LA. Didn't take long to purge the bios on the BZ website. I fear Gil Santos is next out the door. Jonathan Kraft wants a new play by play voice ( rumored to be Sean McDonough ) but honestly Gil has slipped badly in play by play. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 13:26:44 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:26:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net><76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> <18781.1128.233042.276259@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Don A wrote: > >>> Is there some kind of syndicated "all news" format that they could put >>> on overnights? (Didn't the AP used to offer something like that?) > >> 1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. > > Not revenue-generating. But cheap, which seems to be the name of the game these days.... From blainethompson@gmail.com Thu Jan 1 13:38:55 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:38:55 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <7bded94e0901011038u25c98ddch207bdf1c4222b246@mail.gmail.com> I am not sure the bean counters at CBS care much about overnights on WBZ. So that is why I (legitimately) suggested CNNHN, since it was cheapo and newsy. As I lack cable, I was unaware that the thirty minute news blocks had gone away in overnights. I agree with others that this is terrible news. I typically listen to either 'BZ or KYW, before snoozing. Especially in winter, when I wake up, I usually tune into either WBZ or KYW until they each hit day pattern. I am conflicted as to whether they are looking for programming that is inexpensive AND revenue generating, or just inexpensive. Glad I was right about BBC World Service, as that programming would not fit very well on many commercial stations. - Blaine From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 13:41:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:41:41 -0500 Subject: Slogan for the Stair Master Program Message-ID: More than just a few steps down from what you thought you could trust us to bring you. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 13:43:40 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <4fc429770901011008w2dfa2445xcaffde16d6eda577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b201c96c40$e4870350$0302a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > What happens to Jordan Rich now? Would they give him Steve Leveille's former shift, and replace Rich on the weekends with Morgan White Jr. or Bradley Jay? Makes more sense than birdfeed or the show originating at KMOX that Scott Fybush mentioned in his reply. But common sense may cost more than syndication. And who/what will replace Lovell Dyett & Pat Desmarais? Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 13:46:17 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:46:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <7bded94e0901011038u25c98ddch207bdf1c4222b246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Both are DA-1. I guess you mean until the ionosphere loses its reflectivity. (Someone will surely correct this to specify which layer loses its reflectivity.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > I usually tune into either WBZ or KYW until they each hit day > pattern. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 13:51:15 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> Message-ID: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 1/1/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > I'm increasingly glad I got out when I did. I can't imagine > I'd be having a very good time at 1170 Soldiers Field > Road these days, assuming I still had a job there, which > seems increasingly unlikely, considering. It's amazing how two vital mediums (print journalism, broadcasting) are killing themselves off through repeated job and budget cuts, thus driving away audiences and not serving the customer very well. Of course, the issues are slightly different, with the everything-for-free Internet serving as a common denominator. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 13:51:22 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:51:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net><76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro><495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <4fc429770901011029q1ec05babm1d9d9e9a8ccb21c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I fear Gil Santos is next out the door. Jonathan Kraft wants a new > play by play voice ( rumored to be Sean McDonough ) but honestly Gil > has slipped badly in play by play. If the Patriots want a new play by play voice, would CBS send Gil Santos to the beach and also remove him from his AM drive sports reporting? Or would the new Pats voice also get the AM drive sports gig? Just curious as to how many people have been the Patriots radio play by play caller since the team's inception. I know Gil Santos has held the job for several years now, IIRC wasn't John Carlson the PBP man prior to Santos? Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 1 13:51:34 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:51:34 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <7bded94e0901011038u25c98ddch207bdf1c4222b246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18781.4278.259056.795551@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Both are DA-1. I guess you mean until the ionosphere loses its > reflectivity. (Someone will surely correct this to specify which layer > loses its reflectivity.) No layer does. It's the D layer regaining its absorptivity (is that a word?). -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 13:54:28 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:54:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101185428.C6B0E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>1. WBZ could simulcast the audio of CNN Headline News. As has been pointed out, overnights on CNNHN, now HLN, is stuff like Nancy Grace. I know--they carry it on XM. It is quite poss. CBS could go the same route they did with Tom Kent and do a "network" show. Would they run a syndie talk show, even if greatly tape delayed? Available: Fox News Radio: John Gibson (but he's moving back to noon), Alan Colmes, Brian and the Judge, Tom Sullivan, etc. Westwood One: Dennis Miller, Lars Larson, Jim Bohannon (D. Miller currently on WCRN though) Several progams from Air America, Nova M, and Jones Radio. Then there's ABC Radio, Talk Radio Network, etc. Somehow I don't feel they'll do this though. "Hey! Let's not renew this Brudnoy guy...we'll put on Tom Snyder instead." (...remember...?) From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 13:55:50 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:55:50 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101185550.A455183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> This time of year, isn't Dyett usually pre-empted anyway by "shot--SCORE!!!"? >> And who/what will replace Lovell Dyett & Pat Desmarais? From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 13:58:07 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:58:07 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> <76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro> <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <4fc429770901011029q1ec05babm1d9d9e9a8ccb21c0@mail.gmail.com> <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011058m5cacfdb3k89bd60ad2af1f296@mail.gmail.com> Patriots announcers since 1960 Bob Gallagher WEEI Fred Cusick WEEI Bob Starr WBZ John Carlson WEEI Gil Santos WBZ WBCN Curt Gowdy (one season) WHDH Dale Arnold WHDH On 1/1/09, Mark Watson wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I fear Gil Santos is next out the door. Jonathan Kraft wants a new >> play by play voice ( rumored to be Sean McDonough ) but honestly Gil >> has slipped badly in play by play. > > If the Patriots want a new play by play voice, would CBS send Gil Santos > to the beach and also remove him from his AM drive sports reporting? Or > would the new Pats voice also get the AM drive sports gig? > > Just curious as to how many people have been the Patriots radio play by > play caller since the team's inception. I know Gil Santos has held the job > for several years now, IIRC wasn't John Carlson the PBP man prior to Santos? > > Mark Watson > > > > From ecps92@earthlink.net Thu Jan 1 13:56:49 2009 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:56:49 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net><76D52A1FA5B84D9189F33949162F732E@MainXPPro><495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <4fc429770901011029q1ec05babm1d9d9e9a8ccb21c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <335EFAC25B0545409C81A4BD4A07EC66@D60NFN81> The Bios have gone, but they forgot the Schedule. Opps...maybe someone else got fired [Web Master?] http://www.wbz1030.com/pages/2945.php which still shows Mon-Fri 12a-5a The Steve LeVeille Broadcast Sat 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM The Pat Desmarais Sat 9:00 PM - 12:00 AM The Lovell Dyett Program The Staff Page http://www.wbz1030.com/pages/2461.php Has Lovell & Pat still listed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: <> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > The way CBS is cutting pennies now it is only a matter of time before > they flip pne of the 2 newsradio stations in NY and LA. > > Didn't take long to purge the bios on the BZ website. > > I fear Gil Santos is next out the door. Jonathan Kraft wants a new > play by play voice ( rumored to be Sean McDonough ) but honestly Gil > has slipped badly in play by play. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 13:58:47 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:58:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. You'd be more likely to hear THIS: (just after midnight) "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a frequency of 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission..." (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 14:02:02 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:02:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 1/1/09, Mark Watson wrote: > Just curious as to how many people have been the Patriots > radio play by play caller since the team's inception. I > know Gil Santos has held the job for several years now, IIRC > wasn't John Carlson the PBP man prior to Santos? Seven, in all. Santos has been on the radio team for 32 of their 49 seasons, 26 on play-by-play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots#Patriots_radio_announcers From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:03:28 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:03:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101185550.A455183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00d001c96c43$a3204720$0302a8c0@Mark> Bob Nelson wrote: >This time of year, isn't Dyett usually pre-empted anyway by >"shot--SCORE!!!"? Not always. Even though the Bruins play on many a Saturday night in season, there are a few Saturday afternoon games on the schedule. And if it's a 7PM game, Pat Desmarais loses his whole 2 hour show, and Lovell Dyett would end up with a late start. Depending what time the game broadcast ends, his show may start around 10. If it's a later start, say 8PM or after, then Lovell would lose more or all of his show. Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Jan 1 14:04:45 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:04:45 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <495D13CD.7010201@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > You'd be more likely to hear THIS: > (just after midnight) > "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a frequency of > 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission..." > Cue the National Anthem. > (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 14:07:49 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:07:49 -0500 Subject: This makes too much sense Message-ID: So it's guaranteed not to happen, especially in view of CBS creating its own overnight show for KMOX, KDKA, WCCO, et al. Joey Reyolds from Buckley/WOR would be the best fit for WBZ. But clearly, if CBS is investing in its own product for its big Class A AM signals--except for the ones that are all news (WCBS, WBBM, KNX, KYW) (note that I didn't leave out KCBS and WINS by accident; they are Class Bs), the company is going to try to maximize its ROI on that new product. In fact, you can practically bet that corporate mandated the end of locally originated all-night programming on WBZ. But wasn't WBZ the only CBS property that was local overnight? What have KMOX, KDKA, and WCCO been running all night--Coast to Coast? A trucking show? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:16:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:16:33 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> My list is a little more accurate. Carlson did Pats on WEEI and WHDH. Carlson and WEEI had the games in the early 70's. Billy Sullivan couldn't stand Andleman and Wyoming Blasting and Zoning and moved the games back to WEEI. What happens? Andleman moved the Sports Huddle to EEI. Bob Starr left after the 69 season and Gil did play by play at Harvard Stadium. I forgot that Ned did a few game in 1965. Vin Maloney was the PA man. On 1/1/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 1/1/09, Mark Watson wrote: >> Just curious as to how many people have been the Patriots >> radio play by play caller since the team's inception. I >> know Gil Santos has held the job for several years now, IIRC >> wasn't John Carlson the PBP man prior to Santos? > > Seven, in all. Santos has been on the radio team for 32 of their 49 seasons, > 26 on play-by-play. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots#Patriots_radio_announcers > > > > From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jan 1 14:17:23 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:17:23 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 1/1/09, Scott Fybush wrote: >> I'm increasingly glad I got out when I did. I can't imagine >> I'd be having a very good time at 1170 Soldiers Field >> Road these days, assuming I still had a job there, which >> seems increasingly unlikely, considering. > > It's amazing how two vital mediums (print journalism, broadcasting) > are killing themselves off through repeated job and budget cuts, > thus driving away audiences and not serving the customer very well. > > Of course, the issues are slightly different, with the everything- > for-free Internet serving as a common denominator. The biggest common denominator is merger-driven corporate debt. Everyone is hurting to be sure, but the companies in the worst trouble are those who borrowed their way to the top. Since that is pretty much everyone at the current top, it's hard to distinguish them from the rest of the business, but they are the ones who are most fiercely cutting their way into the dumpster. From mward@iname.com Thu Jan 1 14:21:13 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:21:13 -0500 Subject: This makes too much sense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495D17A9.7090007@iname.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But wasn't WBZ the > only CBS property that was local overnight? What have KMOX, KDKA, and > WCCO been running all night--Coast to Coast? A trucking show? KDKA was live and local overnights all the way up through earlier this year, when they put "The Undercover Club" to bed. Gary Dickson had the show until it was cancelled, but the name/format was long established by Bob Logue. When I was a teenager listening to AM talk radio long ago, Perry Marshall held the KDKA overnight shift. Now, KDKA runs Westwood One syndie host (and Pittsburgh native) Dennis Miller 12-3, and the Midnight Radio Network the rest of the overnight (the Texas-based trucking show I believe originates out of WBAP, or at least started there). From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 14:33:28 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101193329.07BB4CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> A post on radio-info said, citing an inside source, that the replacement will be a syndie show out of St. Louis starting next week. Steve didn't know about it till Wednesday when it happened. From xradioguy@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 14:35:45 2009 From: xradioguy@yahoo.com (Ari Alpert) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If CBS is looking to cut costs, turning off a 50k transmitter 5 hours per night would probably save a few pennies! This day will live in infamy in my mind and reminds me why I got out of radio long ago during the early 90's recession and rise of bird feed. I still have passion for the medium (aka "Radio Disease" in my household) but no personal outlet other than lurking on this list (which is a pleasure). It's a sad day for Boston and radio that the last truly local and live overnight talk show is gone. Increasingly, it seems commercial AM radio has become a waste of bandwidth most hours and it's a real pity. Are WBZ and WEEI AM the only Boston AM signals with live local content 6AM - 6PM? Are live local overnights in terrestrial radio (any frequency/format) destined a thing of the past? Back to lurking mode, Ari ________________________________ From: Bob Nelson To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; Dan.Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:58:47 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >>No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. You'd be more likely to hear THIS: (just after midnight) "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a frequency of 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission..." (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 14:40:58 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:40:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090101194058.CA4AACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> WTKK is live and local 9 am to 10 pm with Graham, Eagan and Braude, Severin, and McPhee. WRKO is live and local5:30 am-9 am (new hours) with Finneran and Feinburg and 3-7 pm with Howie (though tech. they're the flagship of what isa regional show) . Are WBZ and WEEI AM the only Boston AM signals with live local content 6AM - 6PM? Are live local overnights in terrestrial radio (any frequency/format) destined a thing of the past? From irw@well.com Thu Jan 1 14:06:02 2009 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:06:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101185428.C6B0E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101185428.C6B0E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Bob Nelson wrote: > "Hey! Let's not renew this Brudnoy guy...we'll put on Tom Snyder > instead." (...remember...?) A most fitting tribute in overnights would be encore presentations of Brudnoy shows. - Blaine From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 14:49:59 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:49:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101194058.CA4AACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Reread the question you thought you were answering. You even quoted the part that makes your answer irrelvant: "Are WBZ nd WEEI (AM) the only Boston _AM_ signals..." ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Ari Alpert" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais WTKK is live and local 9 am to 10 pm with Graham, Eagan and Braude, Severin, and McPhee. WRKO is live and local5:30 am-9 am (new hours) with Finneran and Feinburg and 3-7 pm with Howie (though tech. they're the flagship of what isa regional show) . Are WBZ and WEEI AM the only Boston AM signals with live local content 6AM - 6PM? Are live local overnights in terrestrial radio (any frequency/format) destined a thing of the past? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 14:54:39 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:54:39 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101185428.C6B0E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <61E26F4B665F445CA1F0A1B105DC5007@SatU205S5044> Please... spare us! We need neither the pomposity nor the rotten William F Buckley impersonation. (Worst running gag in Boston radio, though I have a feeling that Dr Brudnoy was not even aware that he was doing it.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> "Hey! Let's not renew this Brudnoy guy...we'll put on Tom Snyder >> instead." (...remember...?) > > A most fitting tribute in overnights would be encore presentations > of > Brudnoy shows. > > - Blaine > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 15:07:02 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:07:02 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090101185428.C6B0E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011207u621e4ba1yc94e43a3fa07a5bd@mail.gmail.com> BZ probably erased the tapes Wishfull thinking but I would love to see 96.9 or WRKO pick up these shows. If nothing else it would give Finneran some audience to start with. On 1/1/09, Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> "Hey! Let's not renew this Brudnoy guy...we'll put on Tom Snyder >> instead." (...remember...?) > > A most fitting tribute in overnights would be encore presentations of > Brudnoy shows. > > - Blaine > > From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jan 1 16:03:32 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:03:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901011008w2dfa2445xcaffde16d6eda577@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901011008w2dfa2445xcaffde16d6eda577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495D2FA4.7090501@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > BZ has always been local, local, local. Around 1990 they carried Tom > Snyder and it was a disaster. Cue the fat lady. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 1 16:39:28 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:39:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > It's amazing how two vital mediums (print journalism, broadcasting) are > killing themselves off through repeated job and budget cuts, thus driving > away audiences and not serving the customer very well. > > Of course, the issues are slightly different, with the everything-for-free > Internet serving as a common denominator. I agree that the cuts don't help the products, but the drops in revenue for both are huge. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Jan 1 16:54:13 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:54:13 EST Subject: FCC DTV analog vs digital coverage maps Message-ID: I came across this in Broadcast Engineering _http://broadcastengineering.com/RF/expected-dtv-coverage-market-0101/_ (http://broadcastengineering.com/RF/expected-dtv-coverage-market-0101/) . It is the the coverage maps of all full power stations and their analog vs digital signals. Most look like they will technically be getting more viewers with digital if you can make 8-VSB work. It is listed by network and/or market. _http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/_ (http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/) _http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/report2.html_ (http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/report2.html) Mike Hemeon **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Jan 1 16:53:27 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:53:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87053.96228.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 1/1/09, Dan Billings wrote: > I agree that the cuts don't help the products, but the > drops in revenue for both are huge. Agreed, which is why both industries really need to concentrate on a new revenue model. I'd really like to see some form of Internet revenue model based on retrans consent/must-carry -- an ISP pays 1 cent per subscriber, let's say, for customers' ability to access New York Times Co.'s Web sites. I'm sure many Web sites (such as MySpace, or bloggers) would prefer to declare as must-carry. Yeah, such a scenario means the cost gets passed onto the consumer, but it's better that than the alternative, which is a severe reduction in mass media, from which no one benefits. I don't know if anyone has the fortitude to get the ball rolling on this. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 1 21:04:19 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:04:19 -0500 Subject: Happy 30th birthday, WHUE... Message-ID: <495D7623.6000309@fybush.com> (from Will Burpee on the NY Radio Message Board:) This doesn't involve a New York station, but it did happen on New Year's Eve. In Boston, WACQ (1150 AM, the former WCOP-AM) and WTTK (100.7) switched from top 40 and AOR, respectively, to easy listening on January 1, 1979. WACQ's last song was "We Are the Champions", and the announcer said, "If you think it's an end...in a way, it's also a beginning." It ended precisely at midnight, with the new format and call letters beginning straight up at 12: "This is WHUE, AM and FM, Boston. Happy New Year." The first two songs were "Auld Lang Syne" and the Carpenters' "We've Only Just Begun". From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 1 21:18:02 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:18:02 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV analog vs digital coverage maps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18781.31066.577497.933116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < It is the the coverage maps of all full power stations and their > analog vs digital signals. Most look like they will technically be > getting more viewers with digital if you can make 8-VSB work. Remember that the FCC assumes that all OTA television viewers have an outdoor antenna 30 feet above ground. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 1 21:46:22 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:46:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090101194058.CA4AACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC6FCFB64@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Reread the question you thought you were answering. You even quoted the part that makes your answer irrelvant: "Are WBZ nd WEEI (AM) the only Boston _AM_ signals..."<< ...in reply to: >>WTKK is live and local 9 am to 10 pm with Graham, Eagan and Braude, Severin, and McPhee. WRKO is live and local5:30 am-9 am (new hours) With Finneran and Feinburg and 3-7 pm with Howie (though tech. they're the flagship of what isa regional show)<< Did WRKO sneak out of Burlington onto some FM stick when we weren't looking? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 21:57:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:57:33 -0600 Subject: Happy 30th birthday, WHUE... In-Reply-To: <495D7623.6000309@fybush.com> References: <495D7623.6000309@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011857q392bb3feo5370b6e288a880d2@mail.gmail.com> I am fairly certain that when WHUE signed on it was the end of using the Lexington transmitter location as a studio. On 1/1/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > (from Will Burpee on the NY Radio Message Board:) > > This doesn't involve a New York station, but it did happen on New Year's > Eve. In Boston, WACQ (1150 AM, the former WCOP-AM) and WTTK (100.7) > switched from top 40 and AOR, respectively, to easy listening on January > 1, 1979. WACQ's last song was "We Are the Champions", and the announcer > said, "If you think it's an end...in a way, it's also a beginning." It > ended precisely at midnight, with the new format and call letters > beginning straight up at 12: "This is WHUE, AM and FM, Boston. Happy New > Year." The first two songs were "Auld Lang Syne" and the Carpenters' > "We've Only Just Begun". > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 22:28:12 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:28:12 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090102032812.20B8F49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> By the way while Steve Leveille's Geocities site is still up, the radiosteve.com domain name is down-- and I found via a WHOIS search that while radiosteve.com is registered till Jan. of 2017, it's registered to... WBZ Radio, 1170 Soldiers Field Rd... So unless Steve can get that domain name back, it'll be a 404 message for awhile. And yup I misread the post which asked about _AM_ live and local (I was thinking "talk stations"). From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 22:52:08 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:52:08 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090102032812.20B8F49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090102032812.20B8F49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901011952l4a98b9d7od029a6a939a0daba@mail.gmail.com> WBZ overnight was a treasure. From Dick Summer to Kevin 0'Keefe, Larry Glick, Norm Nathan and Steve. What if frustrating is the AM side is being punished for the mistakes made on FM by CBS nationwide. On 1/1/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > By the way while Steve Leveille's Geocities site is still up, the > radiosteve.com domain name is down-- > and I found via a WHOIS search that while radiosteve.com is registered till > Jan. of 2017, it's > registered to... WBZ Radio, 1170 Soldiers Field Rd... > So unless Steve can get that domain name back, it'll be a 404 message for > awhile. > > And yup I misread the post which asked about _AM_ live and local (I was > thinking "talk stations"). > > From dick@dicksummer.com Thu Jan 1 22:34:59 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:34:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> I came in at the end of this conversation. Did somebody say the WBZ all night show is history ? Are you kidding ? Dick Summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Alpert" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > If CBS is looking to cut costs, turning off a 50k transmitter 5 hours per > night would probably save a few pennies! This day will live in infamy in > my mind and reminds me why I got out of radio long ago during the early > 90's recession and rise of bird feed. I still have passion for the medium > (aka "Radio Disease" in my household) but no personal outlet other than > lurking on this list (which is a pleasure). It's a sad day for Boston and > radio that the last truly local and live overnight talk show is gone. > Increasingly, it seems commercial AM radio has become a waste of bandwidth > most hours and it's a real pity. Are WBZ and WEEI AM the only Boston AM > signals with live local content 6AM - 6PM? Are live local overnights in > terrestrial radio (any frequency/format) destined a thing of the past? > > Back to lurking mode, > Ari > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Nelson > To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; Dan.Strassberg > > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:58:47 PM > Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > >>>No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. > > You'd be more likely to hear THIS: > > (just after midnight) > "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a > frequency of > 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission..." > > (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) > > > > > From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Thu Jan 1 16:43:33 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:43:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495CF585.2080103@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004901c96c59$fecc70b0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Maybe Joe Mazza will finally make it to'BZ -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kirk [mailto:rogerkirk@ttlc.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:56 AM To: Bob Nelson Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Bob Nelson wrote: > SaveWRKO's blog broke it as a rumor and the Herald confirms it: WBZ is cutting Steve Leveille, Lovell Dyett, Tom Cuddy, and supposedly Pat Desmarais as well. > > No idea what will replace them; shocker (budget cuts? The ax also fell on Colin McEnroe at sister WTIC) > > What the heck is WBZ going to run all night, informercials? So much for Mel Simon's audio clip trivia and "I love you, I love you madly". > I enjoyed Steve's overnight show. However, I am loyal to product, not the company. Guess I'll be listening (and nostalging) to North Shore 104.9 on the way home, now. Questions: Will Dan Rae do a crossover with BirdFeed at 11:58? Will producers be let go, too? Will they cancel news overnights? How about a sports show every evening from 7:00p to midnight. Bruins included. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 1 23:28:03 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:28:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090102042803.F03C249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes Steve Leveille has been sacked though Jordan Rich is still around. Reportedly a St Louis based national talk show will start next week. Lovell Dyett and Pat Desmarais also gone though they still show up on WBZ site. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 23:39:36 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:39:36 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> Message-ID: <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> Dick You set the standard for that overnight show that has been followed by others. I have been listening to BZ overnight since you did the show. I will not listen for one second to any syndicated show. On 1/1/09, Dick Summer wrote: > I came in at the end of this conversation. Did somebody say the WBZ all > night show is history ? Are you kidding ? Dick Summer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ari Alpert" > To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > ; "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > >> If CBS is looking to cut costs, turning off a 50k transmitter 5 hours per >> night would probably save a few pennies! This day will live in infamy in >> my mind and reminds me why I got out of radio long ago during the early >> 90's recession and rise of bird feed. I still have passion for the medium >> (aka "Radio Disease" in my household) but no personal outlet other than >> lurking on this list (which is a pleasure). It's a sad day for Boston and >> radio that the last truly local and live overnight talk show is gone. >> Increasingly, it seems commercial AM radio has become a waste of bandwidth >> >> most hours and it's a real pity. Are WBZ and WEEI AM the only Boston AM >> signals with live local content 6AM - 6PM? Are live local overnights in >> terrestrial radio (any frequency/format) destined a thing of the past? >> >> Back to lurking mode, >> Ari >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Nelson >> To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; Dan.Strassberg >> >> Cc: Boston Radio Interest >> Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:58:47 PM >> Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >> >>>>No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. >> >> You'd be more likely to hear THIS: >> >> (just after midnight) >> "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a >> frequency of >> 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission..." >> >> (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) >> >> >> >> >> > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 1 23:47:51 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:47:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com > References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090102044758.AA7981EBCB3@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:39 PM 1/1/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Dick > >You set the standard for that overnight show that has been followed by others. Amen to that. I can still recite the Nightlight Password, as can many of us... "Oh, one hen, two ducks, three squawking geese..." etc. Many companies today forget that it's personality radio-- live, local, and in touch, that makes people wanna listen. From thomas.whetston@gmail.com Thu Jan 1 23:58:23 2009 From: thomas.whetston@gmail.com (Thomas Whetston) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:23 -0600 Subject: www.radiosteve.com Message-ID: radiosteve.com 404s (they took it down quick), but the address resolves to: http://www.geocities.com/~radiosteve Which is still there, just no new information. Wonder how long it'll take for details to leak out. This whole business is almost as shabby as when WFTQ went down. -- Thomas Whetston Microsoft Certified Professional CompTIA A+ technician thomas.whetston@army.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 2 00:12:56 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:12:56 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps Message-ID: <380-2200915251256562@ix.netcom.com> Broadcast Engineering Magazine online 1-01-09 article refers to Dec 23 FCC publishing of Expected DTV coverage by market. It predicts WBPX-TV Boston, to have a gain in coverage area (i.e. no viewer losing analog service and 1.1 million gaining digital service) To view the maps visit: http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/ and ("significant changes") http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/report2.html Analysing the maps, I am surprized that the majority of stations are show to equal or somewhat increase coverage with DTV. Moreover, I keep noticing station cases where DTV power is greatly reduced from analog power, yet maintaining coverage area! I assume the DTV contour actually represents 99%+ achieved digital lock. I wonder what standard the FCC used for analog contour, possibly something like 64dBu? Translated to viewability, does this level represent consumers only willing to watch "perfect" analog signal, no snow, etc? In all, please could B-R-I members (especially the more technically aware) comment on your analysis & perceived believability of these maps? shaking my head in wonder..... Bob Sutherland From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 2 00:38:51 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:38:51 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps Message-ID: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> yeah, yeah, I posted before seeing existing posts on the subject. sorry about that. (chief) I agree with you Garrett, that the FCC assumes comsumers all have excellent antennae ..... but I suspect most in the outer DTV coverage range will have to improve their antenna system. Bob > [Original Message] > From: Robert F. Sutherland > To: BRI > Date: 1/2/2009 12:15:01 AM > Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps From jmaihos@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 00:52:56 2009 From: jmaihos@comcast.net (John Maihos) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:52:56 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Morgan White is doing his show tonight and billing it as the Steve LeVeille Broadcast. A caller just mentioned that Steve had been let go, and Morgan said he was caught totally by surprise. Apparently Morgan was going to fill in for Steve anyway. The next caller brought up Steve's layoff and also mentioned the Herald article. I think Morgan just wants to keep the show on wrestling, but he did mention that letters and calls to the station might make a difference, similar to a situation with the Brudnoy show. -John Maihos 27 Pearl St., Beverly, MA 01915 978-922-6311 (home) 978-804-7143 (cell) From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 2 01:03:57 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:03:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <495DAE4D.60400@fybush.com> John Maihos wrote: > I think Morgan just wants to keep the show on wrestling, but he did > mention that letters and calls to the station might make a difference, > similar to a situation with the Brudnoy show. It would be nice to think so, and I'd very much like to believe that the powers that be at Soldiers Field Road would like to be able to reverse the decision...but I'm guessing the budget pressures behind this decision are coming from a level much higher than Allston. Could a huge flood of letters and postcards and e-mails give Boston's management the ammunition to make the case to New York to free up the money needed to bring Steve back? Again, I'd love to think that's so...but in this day and age, it would probably just mean some other huge, nasty cut getting made somewhere else, and the effect would be the same in the end: the content gets thinner, the audience drifts away, the death spiral continues apace. The long run? That's not Wall Street's problem, and if an entire industry gets murdered along the way...well, that's not Wall Street's problem, either. (And yeah, I'm still angry.) s From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 01:16:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:16:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, , <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> Message-ID: <495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Jan 2009 at 13:05, Scott Fybush wrote: > Even back in the days when there was a "CNN Headline News" that did > news 24/7 (it now goes simply by "HLN" and is more talk than news), > that sort of cheap-ass solution was pretty much reserved for kilowatt > graveyarders - but then, that's what my alma mater seems to be turning > itself into. I seem to recall that WHUE 1150 tried a news format sometime in the early 1980s and used a lot of CNN news. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 01:16:14 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:16:14 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <495D6ADE.8400.1035369@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Jan 2009 at 13:58, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>No way in h*ll CBS would put Stair on WBZ. > > You'd be more likely to hear THIS: > > (just after midnight) > "WBZ now leaves the air. WBZ is owned by CBS Radio and broadcasts on a > frequency of 1030 kiloHertz as authorized by the Federal > Communications Commission..." > > (Switch off station. sssssssssss!) That's not all that unreasonable. Many FM stations back in the early days used to sign off at midnight or 1 AM. And that included a number of FM simulcasts of AM stations that were on 4 hours. In fact, I remember when many FM stations used to sign on in the late afternoon. In the early 1960s, when I had an FM radio, WEEI-FM used to sign on at 2 PM and then simulcast the AM until midnight. I also remember when WXHR went from signing on at 4:30 PM to signing on at 7 AM. I once called the station and asked why they had been signing on at 4:30, and they said it was because of the (late 50s) recession. I was up around 2 AM sometime in early 1960 to watch a lunar eclipse (it wasn't a school night) and turned on my FM radio. There were only two stations operating at all in the entire FM band: WCOP-FM and WHDH-FM, both simulcasting their AM sister stations. Other AM-FM simulcast operations that I could usually hear in the daytime (WEEI, WNAC/WRKO-FM, WLLH, WKBR, WCRB) were all off the air. (WBZ-FM wasn't a simulcast most of the time. They played classical music without interruption except for legal IDs from noon to midnight, and simulcast the AM from 6 or 7 AM to noon) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 01:16:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:16:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <895902.11728.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <895902.11728.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495D6ADD.19593.1034D4F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Jan 2009 at 10:00, Sean Smyth wrote: > Even if World Service is available to commercial stations -- I can't > see why it wouldn't be -- there are few opportunities to insert local > product, including ads. Wasn't it on WADN in Concord at one time? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 01:28:14 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:28:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495DAE4D.60400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <83132.93457.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1/2/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > It would be nice to think so, and I'd very much like to > believe that the powers that be at Soldiers Field Road would > like to be able to reverse the decision...but I'm > guessing the budget pressures behind this decision are > coming from a level much higher than Allston. > > Could a huge flood of letters and postcards and e-mails > give Boston's management the ammunition to make the case > to New York to free up the money needed to bring Steve back? > Again, I'd love to think that's so...but in this day > and age, it would probably just mean some other huge, nasty > cut getting made somewhere else, and the effect would be the > same in the end: the content gets thinner, the audience > drifts away, the death spiral continues apace. > > The long run? That's not Wall Street's problem, and > if an entire industry gets murdered along the way...well, > that's not Wall Street's problem, either. > > (And yeah, I'm still angry.) Only way it happens is if they lose a lot of ad revenue in that time slot. I'm guessing they already figured that's not the case, and that they'll simply move ads into the more crowded dayparts, if inventory remains. It's all about the Benjamins (cue up P.Diddy or whatever he's calling himself in 2009). From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jan 2 02:14:08 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:14:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <16908727.1230880448285.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Ari Alpert" > Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:35 PM > > If CBS is looking to cut costs, turning off a 50k > transmitter 5 hours per night would probably save > a few pennies! I very much doubt they will do that. The current (and very unfortunate) mode for much of radio appears to be to save money by cutting local air talent payroll for shifts that are not deemed essential for optimal listener numbers and sponsor exposure, IE; drivetime. Of course, live overnight shifts have been the first victims, and there are many stations that no longer have live evening shows, and some no longer program live or locally mid-days. However, it's still considered important for major market competitive stations to keep the signals on the air and modulated overnights, even if only with generic network programming, infomercials, or (for music stations) automation or board-ops... because they want to maintain a 24/7 dial presence so that people can set their clock radios at night to wake up to the all-important local and heavily sponsored morning drive show. Though the major companies no longer feel that it's worth paying local air talent for competitive local nighttime programming, they wouldn't want to risk having someone set their clock radio to competition, or an overnight shift worker (or insomniac) tuning to another station (and perhaps staying there into the next day, or forever) just because their signal was off the air late at night. Only all-brokered stations that fail to sell airtime, or maybe a few very small-market stations with little competition for a very localized audience, sign off the air overnights nowadays, and with satellites and automation even most small-market commercial stations now remain on the air overnights. (Not including day- timers that must sign off at night, but even many of them have gotten low-power nighttime authorizations). It seems to be a matter of where the bottom line is set by the majority of stations and companies. If they all universally lower the bar by eliminating local overnight programming, then they don't have to be as competitive for attracting listeners to those shifts, since they apparently feel that any revenue those shifts have generated have not been worth the local payrolls. But, as long as the stations are on the air with SOMETHING modulating the carrier 24/7, then (practically) all of them will be. I'm sure that if company-wide directives eventually suggest major-market stations sign off overnight, they will all follow suit, when or if that ever happens. EP From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jan 2 02:31:27 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:31:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <21306971.1230881487199.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > Friday, January 2, 2009 1:16 AM > > On 1 Jan 2009 at 10:00, Sean Smyth wrote: > >> Even if World Service is available to commercial >> stations -- I can't see why it wouldn't be -- there >> are few opportunities to insert local product, >> including ads. > > Wasn't it on WADN in Concord at one time? Yes, when it was "Walden 1120", playing folk music in the daytime. Their night signal/pattern was deemed unworthy of spending money for local programming, and they were lucky if they could get enough sponsorship to fill the two short hourly breaks available in BBC. I don't recall hearing any local spots back when they were running it. That station, unfortunately, had a tough time getting adequate sponsorship all around. EP From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Jan 2 06:30:05 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:30:05 EST Subject: FCC DTV analog vs digital coverage maps Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2009 9:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, wollman@bimajority.org writes: >Remember that the FCC assumes that all OTA television viewers have an< >outdoor antenna 30 feet above ground.< I know this fact very well. When I was at NBC I was the one NBC affiliites would would direct calls from viewers to call to get approval to get the network on their satellite dishes. The stations would tell them they needed a 30ft antenna and they would flip out over it. They didn't want to upset their local viewer so they blamed the network for this rule and it was actually the individual station's call. They could have easily approved his themselves and was entirely the local affiliates call. They didn't want to because, at the time, such approval would have opened the dish to ALL of the networks. So I would sent them back to the affiliate and told them to tell the affiliate to call me if they had any questions. There were times that I woul dhave to have NBC's communication's attorney call an individual station to explain it to them. Was very happy that this rule regarding home dishes was removed. Viewers really want more than just their MTV. Mike **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Jan 1 14:17:23 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:17:23 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 1/1/09, Scott Fybush wrote: >> I'm increasingly glad I got out when I did. I can't imagine >> I'd be having a very good time at 1170 Soldiers Field >> Road these days, assuming I still had a job there, which >> seems increasingly unlikely, considering. > > It's amazing how two vital mediums (print journalism, broadcasting) > are killing themselves off through repeated job and budget cuts, > thus driving away audiences and not serving the customer very well. > > Of course, the issues are slightly different, with the everything- > for-free Internet serving as a common denominator. The biggest common denominator is merger-driven corporate debt. Everyone is hurting to be sure, but the companies in the worst trouble are those who borrowed their way to the top. Since that is pretty much everyone at the current top, it's hard to distinguish them from the rest of the business, but they are the ones who are most fiercely cutting their way into the dumpster. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 08:04:11 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:04:11 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps References: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <5A0F61FCD23D4CA889B9BFB64A82B0CF@SatU205S5044> My experience, using an unamplified indoor antenna in a pretty good location (about 0.7 miles west of the top of Belmont Hill and maybe 0.4 miles north of Route 2) is that I have gone for weeks receiving a perfect DTV picture--and sound (DON'T forget the sound; it's the first to go;>( and then suddenly for no reason that was apparent to me have been forced into periods of frantic repositioning and fiddling with the antenna to restore even just reasonably reliable reception. Very frustrating (but not frustrating enough to make me willing to spend upwards of $40/month for cable). Also frustrating is how seemingly insignficant repositioning of the antenna can make large differences in the reliability of the reception, and how changing the position of parts of the antenna (the rabbit ears) that are not supposed to affect UHF reception appear to have a major effect. If there were a systematic procedure for tweaking the antenna, the exercise could be a lot less frustrating. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: RE: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps > yeah, yeah, I posted before seeing existing posts on the subject. > sorry about that. (chief) > > I agree with you Garrett, that the FCC assumes comsumers all > have excellent antennae ..... > but I suspect most in the outer DTV coverage range will have > to improve their antenna system. > > Bob > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Robert F. Sutherland >> To: BRI >> Date: 1/2/2009 12:15:01 AM >> Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps > > > From lspin@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 11:09:58 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> Message-ID: <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> I will add my voice to the choir by saying: This is horrible. Where does it end? Perhaps, in an overly optimistic vein, the pendulum will begin to swing back. Corporate people will try to unload some of these properties back to local companies which will pump-in some local cash with hopes of resurrecting them. Or has the economic model for good, local radio really faded into history? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Laurence Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:17 PM The biggest common denominator is merger-driven corporate debt. Everyone is hurting to be sure, but the companies in the worst trouble are those who borrowed their way to the top. Since that is pretty much everyone at the current top, it's hard to distinguish them from the rest of the business, but they are the ones who are most fiercely cutting their way into the dumpster. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 11:29:24 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:29:24 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: At 12:52 AM -0500 1/2/09, John Maihos wrote: >Morgan White is doing his show tonight and billing it as the Steve >LeVeille Broadcast. > >I think Morgan just wants to keep the show on wrestling, but he did >mention that letters and calls to the station might make a >difference, similar to a situation with the Brudnoy show. So has he been fired yet for doing that? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 11:31:38 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:31:38 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 AM -0500 1/2/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Jan 2009 at 13:05, Scott Fybush wrote: > >I seem to recall that WHUE 1150 tried a news format sometime in the >early 1980s and used a lot of CNN news. I seem to remember an all-news radio network from NBC? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 11:36:39 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:36:39 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E4297.6050305@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Dick > > You set the standard for that overnight show that has been followed by others. > > I have been listening to BZ overnight since you did the show. I will > not listen for one second to any syndicated show. > > Ditto. What a waste of a flamethrower -- running syndicated. The 38 state coverage of 1030 out-does any lame string of flea power affiliates on a list. Why WBZ didn't sell the overnights like a network given the footprint never made any sense. But then it has never been sales to take any of the hits as the industry started to tank. But then again, what do idiot talent know about radio? Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 11:30:30 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:30:30 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <87053.96228.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <87053.96228.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901020830r70e028c4j56e608e39463a59d@mail.gmail.com> We are living in troubled times. A report surfaced this week that the Globe has lost 90 percent of its value in 15 years and the Times is desperate to sell it. There are losing money on every copy they print and Globe staffers are fearful the Globe could fold if a deal is not made. In radio the truth is billings after 6 PM simply don't exist. There is a reason WBZ carries the Bruins as they bring in cash the talk shows don't generate. You can't charge an ISP for access to a site. That train has simply left the station. Radio-TV and print has a business model that is now hopelessly broken. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 11:42:17 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:42:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495DAE4D.60400@fybush.com> References: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org> <495DAE4D.60400@fybush.com> Message-ID: <495E43E9.5030403@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > The long run? That's not Wall Street's problem, and if an entire > industry gets murdered along the way...well, that's not Wall Street's > problem, either. > > (And yeah, I'm still angry.) Question - We see what has been happening as CC dumps many of its acquisitions - some stations are actually getting back to regional or local control to some extent (for now). Is there a pendulum swing in the offing that could be deja-vu all over again for heritage signals? File under: New Years Resolution: Optimism Bill O'Neill From stuff@struff.com Fri Jan 2 12:07:26 2009 From: stuff@struff.com (David Struffolino) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:07:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: WBZ apparently went off the air for a very short time this morning so the first thing I thought was maybe they totally shut down, lol. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 11:22:16 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:22:16 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps In-Reply-To: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: At 12:38 AM -0500 1/2/09, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: >I agree with you Garrett, that the FCC assumes comsumers all >have excellent antennae ..... >but I suspect most in the outer DTV coverage range will have >to improve their antenna system. Whereas somebody living 50 miles from Boston (or any city) in a ground floor apartment without a working master antenna system is pretty much gonna be forced to get cable, even though that person may have had marginal reception with rabbit ears before. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 12:30:33 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:30:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAS WBZ cuts - IS All-News NBC Radio Net Message-ID: <412593.23985.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>I seem to remember an all-news radio network from NBC? -- >>Larry Weil ? WSLE 92.1 Peterboro NH had carried the NBC all news network in the very late 1970's. If I recall I was driving on Pawtucket Blvd heading into Tyngsboro MA when the Iran hostages were released and heard it on the Peterboro station (barely?/ crackle / fade /?crackle). This was about the time when Fritz Wetherbee worked there. ? ? John B Derry NH ? ? ? From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Jan 2 12:33:29 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:33:29 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com><495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Yes, you are correct, and I think Rod Fritz was the new director. I am trying to recall who owned the signal then? Was it GM? Also, I rememember Garabedian flipping 1060 to All News and Billing it a Boston Station, including a billboard on Rt 1A in Revere. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil [mailto:kc1ih@mac.com] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:32 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais At 1:16 AM -0500 1/2/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Jan 2009 at 13:05, Scott Fybush wrote: > >I seem to recall that WHUE 1150 tried a news format sometime in the >early 1980s and used a lot of CNN news. I seem to remember an all-news radio network from NBC? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From jfa1965@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 2 11:25:02 2009 From: jfa1965@bellsouth.net (Jim Armstrong) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:25:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> Message-ID: <200901021625.n02GP91W016956@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Amen Lou et al. I just fail to see how cutting, cutting and more cutting makes for a better product. Sure they can save some and try to prove to the stockholders that they aren't as poorly run as they are. But why not cut the big dogs salaries, keep the talent and hire anyone else to manage these corporate entities. Someone with ZERO business training (I am thinking of Cosmo Kramer here) certainly couldn't do any worse! Here's an analogy, if you run a restaurant that sells Steak and fries, You start making lousy fries and dried out expensive smaller steaks. Why will people eat there? In radio you are selling a product to prospective advertisers at a premium price. You have now diluted and washed the product out so much that listeners are turning to Cable TV, IPods, NPR and Print. What makes you think that Mom and Pop's Paint and Wallpaper Store will spend a dime buying spots? It is really depressing. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Mark Laurence'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Subject: RE: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais I will add my voice to the choir by saying: This is horrible. Where does it end? Perhaps, in an overly optimistic vein, the pendulum will begin to swing back. Corporate people will try to unload some of these properties back to local companies which will pump-in some local cash with hopes of resurrecting them. Or has the economic model for good, local radio really faded into history? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Laurence Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:17 PM The biggest common denominator is merger-driven corporate debt. Everyone is hurting to be sure, but the companies in the worst trouble are those who borrowed their way to the top. Since that is pretty much everyone at the current top, it's hard to distinguish them from the rest of the business, but they are the ones who are most fiercely cutting their way into the dumpster. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 12:43:43 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495E4297.6050305@gmail.com> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> <495E4297.6050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.21071.206869.551018@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Why WBZ didn't sell the overnights like a network given the > footprint never made any sense. 'BZ hasn't been doing a good job of selling in quite some time. Even prime dayparts are filled with advertisements for quack nostrums, "financial advisors" explaining how to evade one's obligations to pay medical providers, the star-naming fraud, and so on. And in between them, there's always the CBS national spot for radio advertising. When was the last time they got a new local account? (And for that matter, what is it with those testimonials for companies that don't otherwise advertise on the station?) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 12:46:19 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:46:19 -0500 Subject: What is magic about St Louis? Message-ID: Why did CBS choose KMOX as the domicile for its new syndicated overnight show? Apparently, WBZ was the only one of the initial group of affiliates to have a viable local show. It would have cost little to take the Boston show national. Besides LeVeille and his producer, it would have taken maybe one additional person--and it would have been a relatively low-paid person at that. Sure, some adjustments would have been necessary at the other affiliates, but those will almost certainly be necessary anyway. For example, all stations would need to create a pre-recorded local news block to follow the CBS network news--unless the network news runs six minutes and 'BZ has been covering the second three minutes with its local product. My guess is that a maximum of 20% of the content of the LeVeille show was Boston--or New England--related. Most, if not all, of that would have had to go, but that wouldn/t seem to have been especially hard to pull off. So what was it--Boston accents make a Boston-based show sound provincial? LeVeille has no accent that I can discern. Boston is too Liberal? Maybe. LeVeille is too Liberal? Maybe. In my view, he was pretty darned centrist. St Louis is very close to the geographic center of the 48 contiguous states. Yeah, but Kansas City is even closer, although I don't believe that CBS has an O&O there. Missouri had--until 2008--a nearly unblemished record of voting for the winner in all presidential elections. In 2008, Missouri voted for McCain, although Obama carried St Louis. I can't believe that CBS isn't spending more to create a new national show based in St Louis than it would have cost them to put Boston's own successful overnight show on the bird. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 13:11:53 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:11:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Message-ID: <20090102181201.C9B811E30B2@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:33 PM 1/2/2009, JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: >Yes, you are correct, and I think Rod Fritz was the new director. I am >trying to recall who owned the signal then? Well, here's the WHUE story. It went all news in July 1983, which meant it was competing with the much more stablished WEEI (back then, still a news station). WHUE was owned at that time by "T Communications," which was really Alex Tanger. WHUE-AM (there was also a separate FM) was sold to Greater Media in early November 1984. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 13:20:24 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0500 Subject: more on WHUE In-Reply-To: <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com> <495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com> <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Message-ID: <20090102182032.9DF351DC595@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:33 PM 1/2/2009, JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: >Yes, you are correct, and I think Rod Fritz was the new director. First, my bad-- I think I wrote July 1983 in my previous e-mail, which is what happens when I type too fast-- the station changed to all news in JULY 1984. Among those WHUE hired were Dick Levitan and Bob MacNeil. And yes, they did run what was then called "Cable News Network" news. Levitan anchored in the morning, and MacNeil in the afternoon. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 12:24:46 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAS FCC coverage change maps - IS Fussing with things around the antenna Message-ID: <209754.51551.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >??Also frustrating is how seemingly insignficant repositioning of the antenna can make >? large differences in the reliability of the reception, My DTV reception is affected by where I park my car in the driveway. My TV antenna is adjacent to my driveway.? So depending on what DTV channels I want to receive, I park my car in a certain position,? ? I really hated to move the car this morning, as it was really hot on WSBK-DT, which I was really having trouble with! ? ? John B Derry NH ? ? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 13:29:25 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:29:25 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><495D05D9.2030708@fybush.com><495D6ADD.18423.10350AC@joe.attorneyross.com><001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <20090102181201.C9B811E30B2@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <538C84B785F4489797686C92817BA9AB@SatU205S5044> And IIRC, 1150 (WWDJ--this week) was then sold to ARS, which, when it was acquired by CBS (or was it then still Infinity), placed the station in a trust with other properties it could not keep (because of ownership caps) or did not want. The trust then dealt the station to Mega Communications, which later sold it to the current owner, Salem, which may ultimately sell it to LMA partner Radio Luz. Please correct the preceding if it is wrong. Along with having had the largest number of call signs in the market, 1150 may well have had the largest number of owners (probably verifiable if somebody wanted to spend a lot of time on research) and the largest number of formats (probably not verifiable). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "JohnOnTheSeacoast" ; "'Larry Weil'" ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: RE: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > At 12:33 PM 1/2/2009, JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: >>Yes, you are correct, and I think Rod Fritz was the new director. I >>am >>trying to recall who owned the signal then? > > Well, here's the WHUE story. It went all news in July 1983, which > meant it was competing with the much more stablished WEEI (back > then, still a news station). WHUE was owned at that time by "T > Communications," which was really Alex Tanger. WHUE-AM (there was > also a separate FM) was sold to Greater Media in early November > 1984. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 13:47:20 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:47:20 -0500 Subject: WAS FCC coverage change maps - IS Fussing with things around theantenna References: <209754.51551.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FBCBC2358654F12AA91CD77498B5088@SatU205S5044> Well, my antenna is closer to my neighbor's driveway than to my own. When I am not driving it, I keep my car in the garage (under the house and on the other side from the room with the TV). My neighbor, OTOH, does not use his garage for his cars--at least AFAIK--although he does park in his driveway. I think either of his cars would be too big to fit into his garage. My neighbor has also built a huge stack of firewood--it measures ~6' high by 40' long by 16-in. thick--right ON the property line. (I call it southeastern New England's largest mouse farm.) He told me it is 2-1/2 cords. As far as I can tell, the guy who sold him the wood cheated him; I think it is more like 1-1/2 cords. I suppose that my neighbor's cars and firewood could easily be affecting my TV reception. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: WAS FCC coverage change maps - IS Fussing with things around theantenna > Also frustrating is how seemingly insignficant repositioning of the > antenna can make > large differences in the reliability of the reception, My DTV reception is affected by where I park my car in the driveway. My TV antenna is adjacent to my driveway. So depending on what DTV channels I want to receive, I park my car in a certain position, I really hated to move the car this morning, as it was really hot on WSBK-DT, which I was really having trouble with! John B Derry NH From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Jan 2 12:51:04 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:51:04 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps In-Reply-To: <5A0F61FCD23D4CA889B9BFB64A82B0CF@SatU205S5044> References: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> <5A0F61FCD23D4CA889B9BFB64A82B0CF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:04 AM To: Robert F. Sutherland; bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps My experience, using an unamplified indoor antenna in a pretty good location (about 0.7 miles west of the top of Belmont Hill and maybe 0.4 miles north of Route 2) is that I have gone for weeks receiving a perfect DTV picture--and sound (DON'T forget the sound; it's the first The real problem with ATSC reception is not signal strength; you only need 15 dB S/N to get a perfect data stream. Multipath--what we used to call ghosting--is the real problem. You can have, as I have seen, a 20 dB signal that won't decode because the multipath causes too many errors in the stream. And there's no easy way to detect multipath on an ATSC channel. In the early days of ATSC reception, one could use a trick to tune the digital channel by tuning an analog channel nearby in frequency, like WGBX whose analog (44) and digital (43) channels are adjacent. You can't do that for channels like WBZ whose analog (4) and digital (30) are in different bands, and you can't do that at all come February. Analog TV showed a lot of impairments like RFI and ghosting on the screen. There is no mechanism for exposing such impairments to the tuner, though the tuners are getting better at coping with multipath. The closest I have ever seen to a good tuning aid is the signal monitor on my Hauppauge WinTV ATSC card. It has three bars: one for raw signal strength, one for recoverable bit errors, and a third bar for unrecoverable errors. There is also a status display for each of the data components that need to be decoded for a good signal. You need to be a geek to use it. But it does tell you things, like if you have a strong signal (20 dB or better) and lots of unrecoverable errors, you are having multipath problems. Or the wind gust blew the trees through the RF path between you and the candelabra. Or one of my cockatiels walked in front of the antenna. Things like that. :) It doesn't help either that several Boston stations won't have full ATSC power for a while, such as 7 (after February), 25 (no analog transmitter anymore), 38 and 56. At my apartment in downtown Salem I can only get 2, 4, 5, 7 and 44 in digital (analog is worse; I only get 7 in NTSC) and not all at the same time. From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Jan 2 12:30:27 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:30:27 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> Message-ID: <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> It makes you appreciate owners (local) like Clark and Sam at AM980, WCAP. John -----Original Message----- From: Lou [mailto:lspin@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Mark Laurence'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Subject: RE: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais I will add my voice to the choir by saying: This is horrible. Where does it end? Perhaps, in an overly optimistic vein, the pendulum will begin to swing back. Corporate people will try to unload some of these properties back to local companies which will pump-in some local cash with hopes of resurrecting them. Or has the economic model for good, local radio really faded into history? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Laurence Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:17 PM The biggest common denominator is merger-driven corporate debt. Everyone is hurting to be sure, but the companies in the worst trouble are those who borrowed their way to the top. Since that is pretty much everyone at the current top, it's hard to distinguish them from the rest of the business, but they are the ones who are most fiercely cutting their way into the dumpster. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Jan 2 12:54:49 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:54:49 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.21071.206869.551018@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090101185847.F392483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <864966.97258.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49720224B34547BFB6B42EBB6F28F8FB@DickPC2> <4fc429770901012039s83fd237p726148b2f4bab1b9@mail.gmail.com> <495E4297.6050305@gmail.com> <18782.21071.206869.551018@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: WBZ ads: If I never hear Mariette Hartley tell me, in drive time, "If you want better eyesight, put away those glasses!" it will be too soon. Perhaps Steve L. can finally tell us what he thought of her ads. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 14:15:10 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:15:10 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais) In-Reply-To: <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Message-ID: <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: > It makes you appreciate owners (local) like Clark and Sam at AM980, WCAP. > > > John > Along with Scott, count me among the WCAP alumni very pleased with Clark and the local innovation going on at "The Cap" (an unofficial moniker that's a perennial nickname by staff and alums over the years.) BTW, I visited the station not too long ago. I was pleased to see that there were actually some old tapes and carts stored there that I had used over ten to 20 years ago. I hope to get back there and save them to digital for posterity. I think the tacky while refreshing low-tech 'splash in the pool' sfx may among the aural survivors. Question: what do you recommend for software for dubbing to digital a bunch of tape? Something with ease of library classification, etc. Also, I have been looking around for a reel to reel player for 12/7" reels (low budget). The tape's not getting any younger. Who knows what I'll discover amidst the tape. Something tells me there are more than a couple of early Fybush quality gems in there. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 14:29:02 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:29:02 -0600 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? Message-ID: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday I contacted an individual that I know from years of going to Fenway. He owns a company who buys a lot of time at WBZ and other media outlets. I just got an e-mail that he contacted the WBZ sales department and offered to underwrite the overnight show along with another local company that buys time. Between the e companies they bill over 7 figures at CBS outlets in Boston. Their offer was turned down. He is now deeply considering pulling all his ads from CBS and just use Entercom outlets. He said he was thinking of years ago when a small mens store in New Jersey did all their ads on WABC overnight. This advertiser is very, very upset at how Steve was treated and not even allowed to say goodbye. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 14:44:54 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:44:54 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Their offer was turned down. He is > now deeply considering pulling all his ads from CBS and just use > Entercom outlets. > > He said he was thinking of years ago when a small mens store in New > Jersey did all their ads on WABC overnight. The golden age of radio was significant for single or 2-sponsor shows, e.g., Lux Soap, Maxwell House Coffee, Lucky Strike Cigarettes, who paid full-boat for the production in exchange for heavy visibility. If CBS says no to that kind of deal then their decision was not about saving money. I'd not blame the advertiser from wanting to put his money where it is welcome. Bill O'Neill From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Jan 2 14:02:52 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:02:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901020830r70e028c4j56e608e39463a59d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1/2/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > A report surfaced this week that the Globe has lost 90 > percent of its > value in 15 years and the Times is desperate to sell it. > There are > losing money on every copy they print and Globe staffers > are fearful > the Globe could fold if a deal is not made. > > In radio the truth is billings after 6 PM simply don't > exist. There is > a reason WBZ carries the Bruins as they bring in cash the > talk shows > don't generate. > > You can't charge an ISP for access to a site. That > train has simply > left the station. Radio-TV and print has a business model > that is now > hopelessly broken. Reports state that The Globe is losing $1 million per week. I have a hard time fathoming that, I really do, but let's accept that as fact. A big reason they are losing that cash is because people go to various Web sites, including boston.com. Newspapers developed the Internet model totally wrong. Instead of developing a site that was ancillary to the paper, they decided to give their product away for free. No wonder why people are losing money. Advertisers see no value in advertising in a product that doesn't require people to buy it. As far as ISPs getting dragged into the mix and paying for content, well, desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd like to see someone *try* it. It won't be successful without some painful litigation, but someone needs to try. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 15:20:34 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:34 -0600 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? In-Reply-To: <495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> <495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> I am taking about a sponsor who spends HEAVILY in the Boston market. He owns the company outright so he makes the ad buys himself. The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show since it will be on several blowtorch signals and they don't want WBZ as competition. On 1/2/09, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Their offer was turned down. He is >> now deeply considering pulling all his ads from CBS and just use >> Entercom outlets. >> >> He said he was thinking of years ago when a small mens store in New >> Jersey did all their ads on WABC overnight. > > The golden age of radio was significant for single or 2-sponsor shows, > e.g., Lux Soap, Maxwell House Coffee, Lucky Strike Cigarettes, who paid > full-boat for the production in exchange for heavy visibility. If CBS > says no to that kind of deal then their decision was not about saving > money. > > I'd not blame the advertiser from wanting to put his money where it is > welcome. > > Bill O'Neill > From as@shawsheen.com Fri Jan 2 15:29:58 2009 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:29:58 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps Message-ID: <20090102152958.4mp3t7o94v4k4ocw@shawsheen.com> Despite the multipath and signal strength challenges, what surprises me the most is that DTV actually is viable for condo and apartment dwellers and has improved my OTA viewing options overall. Until I started fooling around with a DTV converter last year I thought I'd finally be forced into cable TV. 25 miles north of Needham on the north-facing slope of a valley, I get more digital programming OTA now than I ever had analog programming. My antennas did require replacement and I experimented with different ideas, settling on a balcony mounted 6-element UHF yagi about 15' above ground into a 20dB amp. This setup gets virtual 2, 4, 5, 7, 44, 66, and 68 without issues. N.H. stations are quite strong here and I can often get them off the side of the yagi without pointing away from Needham. As David pointed out, stations running at full ATSC power are reliable, and my hopes are that as 25, 56 and 38 bring their permanent facilities on line I'll get better reception. I miss WFXT, and I suspect the return of WHDH to VHF will require me to get a bigger antenna. Multipath is still an issue that the yagi has drastically reduced but not eliminated. I'm considering stacking two yagis as an experiment to get WFXT-DT. I think viewers have to accept that indoor antennas are no longer viable. What might have been acceptable as a ghosty analog picture won't cut it today but can be fixed with a small outdoor antenna, not necessarily on the roof. There is a substantial amount of geekery involved in getting OTA DTV working, more than I guess the average joe would put up with. I'm lucky I have a south-facing deck. I'd be out of luck and getting cable if I faced north, no doubt. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 2 14:34:34 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:34:34 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> > Question: what do you recommend for software for dubbing to digital a > bunch of tape? Something with ease of library classification, etc. I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, but the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is top-notch, and it's easy to edit. > Also, I have been looking around for a reel to reel player for 12/7" > reels (low budget). The tape's not getting any younger. Who knows what > I'll discover amidst the tape. Something tells me there are more than a > couple of early Fybush quality gems in there. Which should probably remain as buried as possible! I have most, if not all, of my WCAP material on cassette, recorded on the radio in the newsroom. Sadly, I made the mistake of scoping down "my" stuff, not realizing that what I should have been saving was the much more interesting BillO show around my newscasts... s From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 15:37:14 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:37:14 -0500 Subject: The future of advertising-supported journalism In-Reply-To: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770901020830r70e028c4j56e608e39463a59d@mail.gmail.com> <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18782.31482.445760.100541@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > As far as ISPs getting dragged into the mix and paying for content, > well, desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd like to see > someone *try* it. It won't be successful without some painful > litigation, but someone needs to try. They would be laughed out of court. ISPs have no more obligation to content providers than the parcel delivery service has to the factory worker in China who made your Christmas gifts. The newspapers actually have an economic model that could work, if they stopped wasting so much money and capital on that antiquated flattened-mashed-tree thing with stains on it, and concentrated on doing good, local, important journalism. But it's doubly difficult for them in this market, when advertising is down all around, and most publishers are saddled with stupid levels of debt. Written-news organizations do actually have a UVP (that's "unique value proposition", or marketing-speak for "a reason why a rational person might actually want their product instead of someone else's"), but they have lulled themselves into complacency, assuming that consumers would stick with the incumbent news sources when given no reason to do so (and ample reason not to). What *are* all those newly-minted J-school graduates going to do in this Brave New World of media? Radio has many of the same problems: by failing to recognize and capitalize on their own UVPs, radio stations are being seen more and more as inferior substitutes for an iPod. Why would anyone listen to WBZ if the product is not local, fresh, and topical? Or at least entertaining? Accurate, even? (I'm looking at you, Metro traffic.) -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 2 15:22:03 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:22:03 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps Message-ID: <20090102202203.837DE32675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Moisan" >To: "bri@bostonradio.org" >Subject: RE: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:51:04 -0500 >-----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:04 AM >To: Robert F. Sutherland; bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps >It doesn't help either that several Boston stations won't have full >ATSC power for a while, such as 7 (after February), 25 (no analog >transmitter anymore), 38 and 56. At my apartment in downtown Salem >I can only get 2, 4, 5, 7 and 44 in digital (analog is worse; I >only get 7 in NTSC) and not all at the same time. I finally got around to installing the DTV-to-analog box I got with my coupon a few weeks ago. As it turns out, from an arterial road in Methuen near the NH border, I get the digital versions of channels 2, 4,5 and 44 (all on the Cedar St, Needham tower) plus WHDH-DT from the Eiffel-clone tower in Newton. Missing are 25's DT and 56's DT. But, I also get 27's DT and 66's DT, neither of which I can understand because all the speech is in Spanish, BUT the females ARE HOT. I'm using the Radio Shack amplified antenna with an internal rotator that seems to work, thus I can also get WMUR-DT on channel 59, but nothing, nada on 11 or 60. WZMY-35 is also good. My "big" TV is on overpriced Comcast cable; the decoder box is being used on a table-model 19-incher in the kitchen. So far, the weirdest thing is that I can get flawless, studio-quality reception one day, then 'NO SIGNAL' the next, with similar weather conditions. I've speculated that the engineers may be fiddling around with the equipment pending the arrival of February 18th. Two stations, WGBH-DT and WHDH-DT offer a second channel that fills up my screen, which is helpful on a table model TV...the others are in a letterbox that appears sharper and brighter than when I was using the set for analog reception, but a little less impressive nevertheless as a result of the smaller image. I wish they all offered SD. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 15:39:17 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:39:17 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com><495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3137278C37F347569FB01F4F783B6C3C@MainXPPro> >I am taking about a sponsor who spends HEAVILY in the Boston market. > He owns the company outright so he makes the ad buys himself. > > The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the > belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show... Or that they dont have a plan yet (beyond eliminating the personel)....and won't commit to anything in the future. Or...that they don't want to give-up-programming to some outside source. Or....that they are simply following a coprperate directive, and no one in Boston has any authority to make any decisions on this issue. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 15:40:01 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:40:01 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> <495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E7BA1.40701@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the > belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show since it > will be on several blowtorch signals and they don't want WBZ as > competition. Crazy enough to be accurate. Let's not let a top ten market station with a fat skywave eat away at our network house profits? And, who needs competition when you're beating yourself at your own game? Bill O'Neill From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 15:44:21 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:44:21 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, , <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Message-ID: <495E3655.11570.4668D7@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: > Yes, you are correct, and I think Rod Fritz was the new director. I > am trying to recall who owned the signal then? Was it GM? Also, I > rememember Garabedian flipping 1060 to All News and Billing it a > Boston Station, including a billboard on Rt 1A in Revere. I believe it was still Tanger. WHUE-FM continued the beautiful music format, and eventually, they blew up the news format on AM and went back to beautiful music there, too. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 15:44:21 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:44:21 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <21306971.1230881487199.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21306971.1230881487199.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <495E3655.1900.466760@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: > Yes, when it was "Walden 1120", playing folk music in the daytime. > Their night signal/pattern was deemed unworthy of spending money > for local programming, and they were lucky if they could get enough > sponsorship to fill the two short hourly breaks available in BBC. I > don't recall hearing any local spots back when they were running > it. That station, unfortunately, had a tough time getting adequate > sponsorship all around. What is the station doing now? Last I heard, they had become WBNW, with a business format, but that was a few years ago. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 15:44:21 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:44:21 -0500 Subject: more on WHUE In-Reply-To: <20090102182032.9DF351DC595@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com>, <20090102182032.9DF351DC595@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <495E3655.25750.46681B@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Donna Halper wrote: > First, my bad-- I think I wrote July 1983 in my previous e-mail, > which is what happens when I type too fast-- the station changed to > all news in JULY 1984. Among those WHUE hired were Dick Levitan and > Bob MacNeil. And yes, they did run what was then called "Cable News > Network" news. Levitan anchored in the morning, and MacNeil in the > afternoon. So how long did it stay all news? I don't think it was for very long, then it went back to beautiful music. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 15:44:22 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:44:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770901020830r70e028c4j56e608e39463a59d@mail.gmail.com>, <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495E3656.23247.466A5E@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Sean Smyth wrote: > Reports state that The Globe is losing $1 million per week. I have a > hard time fathoming that, I really do, but let's accept that as fact. > > A big reason they are losing that cash is because people go to various > Web sites, including boston.com. Newspapers developed the Internet > model totally wrong. Instead of developing a site that was ancillary > to the paper, they decided to give their product away for free. No > wonder why people are losing money. Advertisers see no value in > advertising in a product that doesn't require people to buy it. I notice that the Daily Hampshire Gazette (Northampton) requires a Web subscription to access news on their Website. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 15:44:21 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:44:21 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <200901021625.n02GP91W016956@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net>, <200901021625.n02GP91W016956@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <495E3655.18669.4666A4@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Jim Armstrong wrote: > But why not cut the big dogs salaries, keep the talent and hire anyone > else to manage these corporate entities. Someone with ZERO business > training (I am thinking of Cosmo Kramer here) certainly couldn't do > any worse! True enough, but unfortunately it's the big dogs who are making the decisions, and they'll cut everything else before they cut their own gravy train. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 2 15:47:21 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:21 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? In-Reply-To: <3137278C37F347569FB01F4F783B6C3C@MainXPPro> References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com><495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> <3137278C37F347569FB01F4F783B6C3C@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <003401c96d1b$4f540220$edfc0660$@com> > >I am taking about a sponsor who spends HEAVILY in the Boston market. > > He owns the company outright so he makes the ad buys himself. > > > > The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the > > belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show... > > Or that they dont have a plan yet (beyond eliminating the > personel)....and > won't commit to anything in the future. > > Or...that they don't want to give-up-programming to some outside > source. > > Or....that they are simply following a coprperate directive, and no one > in > Boston has any authority to make any decisions on this issue. [Brian Vita] My bet is on option #3 Brian From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Jan 2 15:57:16 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:57:16 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs. analog coverage change maps In-Reply-To: References: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <003501c96d1c$b1c1cdb0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Here in York, ME where a "roof antenna" pull in Channels 6,8, 9, 11, 13, 21 and sometimes Channel 5, when I switch the Zenith 901 DTV tuner, that all changes to DTV channels and multi-streams for channel 11, 21, and 9, and that's it. I will have to spend more time this Spring getting this roof antenna up higher and hope for the best. I am tired of expensive cable monthly bills! SS -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil [mailto:kc1ih@mac.com] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:22 AM To: BRI@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps At 12:38 AM -0500 1/2/09, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: >I agree with you Garrett, that the FCC assumes comsumers all >have excellent antennae ..... >but I suspect most in the outer DTV coverage range will have >to improve their antenna system. Whereas somebody living 50 miles from Boston (or any city) in a ground floor apartment without a working master antenna system is pretty much gonna be forced to get cable, even though that person may have had marginal reception with rabbit ears before. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From francini@mac.com Fri Jan 2 15:23:48 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:23:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97591DB5-DAD5-4B29-8567-300DF103A4B6@mac.com> > The big problem with this is that the Internet isn't the sort of medium radio/TV/cable is. Radio/TV/cable has an oligarchy of suppliers providing a finite amount of content via a limited resource (airwaves or cable slots) via gatekeepers that can effectively control the access. The Internet has an effectively infinite number of content sources, and the 'gatekeepers' (i.e., the ISPs) started out using the telephone company model: they saw themselves as 'common carriers', whose only responsibility was delivering bits, not being gatekeepers. And they've done this for good reason. By being common carriers, they can largely avoid lawsuits, calls for censorship, or any of the other "control what the downtrodden masses can access" desires of self- appointed Arbiters Of What's Right and Moral. When they start doing otherwise, they run afoul of groups and organizations such as the Electronic Freedom Foundation, major destinations such as Google, and the FCC. That's the whole point behind the "Network Neutrality" concept. Some ISPs, such as Comcast, have made efforts to use their 'last mile' dominance to try to steer people to content they want to promote. See the Wikipedia article: As someone who has 'grown up' with the Internet, since its early days as a campus-and-computer-industry phenomenon in the 1980s, I feel very strongly about this. Media companies must NOT try to inflict the 'scarce resources' pricing models of airwaves or cable on the Internet, or the fight will be long, hard, and unrelenting. This is NOT negotiable. If the Boston Globe can't find a model that works on the Internet, or a way to make people pay for its content *without* forcing the ISPs at gunpoint to be their hired collection agency, then they should just close up shop and go out of business, much like the buggy whip manufacturers. John > Reports state that The Globe is losing $1 million per week. I have a > hard time fathoming that, I really do, but let's accept that as fact. > > A big reason they are losing that cash is because people go to > various Web sites, including boston.com. Newspapers developed the > Internet model totally wrong. Instead of developing a site that was > ancillary to the paper, they decided to give their product away for > free. No wonder why people are losing money. Advertisers see no > value in advertising in a product that doesn't require people to buy > it. > > As far as ISPs getting dragged into the mix and paying for content, > well, desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd like to see > someone *try* it. It won't be successful without some painful > litigation, but someone needs to try. > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 16:00:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:00:56 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495E3656.23247.466A5E@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770901020830r70e028c4j56e608e39463a59d@mail.gmail.com> <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <495E3656.23247.466A5E@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021300w720ec442h5baa0ee202e972d7@mail.gmail.com> The NY Times and Boston Herald tried that and it failed. The weird situation is boston.com is not directly owned by the Globe as the Times has a separate division for digital content. I notice the Globe dropped the Bob Ryan show on NESN and a few months back nesn.com began producing the website not boston.com I was told by a staffer the Globe is losing 25 cents for every paper they print so a million dollars a week might be conservative. I can't fathom the Globe folding but in this marketplace it is very possible. Supposedly the Times wants whoever buys the Red Sox share they own has to take the paper as well. From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Jan 2 16:05:29 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (JohnOnTheSeacoast) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:05:29 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss.Desmarais) In-Reply-To: <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003701c96d1d$d7a62980$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> I am impressed with the local dedication to put 980 back on the map in the Merrimack Valley. My only complaint is running "canned" music slots. I'd rather they be live and local with music (Full Service) around the talk. I sure miss the formats of the past like WEZE, WHDH, WKOX had where they were News-Talk-Music. Plenty of phones, personality and localism. SS -----Original Message----- From: Bill O'Neill [mailto:billohno@gmail.com] Along with Scott, count me among the WCAP alumni very pleased with Clark and the local innovation going on at "The Cap" (an unofficial moniker that's a perennial nickname by staff and alums over the years.) BTW, I visited the station not too long ago. I was pleased to see that there were actually some old tapes and carts stored there that I had used over ten to 20 years ago. I hope to get back there and save them to digital for posterity. I think the tacky while refreshing low-tech 'splash in the pool' sfx may among the aural survivors. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 2 15:46:25 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:46:25 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais) In-Reply-To: <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c96d1b$2e48d740$8ada85c0$@com> As far as software, I'd use Audacity. It's free and easy to use with some need "processing" options. With respect to RTR decks, I have several used ones cheap. Please contact me off list on Monday or later. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (800)231-8849 sales (800)FAX-CSS5 sales fax (978)538-7575 business office (978)538-7550 business fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:15 PM > To: JohnOnTheSeacoast > Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org > Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, > poss. Desmarais) > > JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: > > It makes you appreciate owners (local) like Clark and Sam at AM980, > WCAP. > > > > > > John > > > > Along with Scott, count me among the WCAP alumni very pleased with > Clark > and the local innovation going on at "The Cap" (an unofficial moniker > that's a perennial nickname by staff and alums over the years.) > > BTW, I visited the station not too long ago. I was pleased to see that > there were actually some old tapes and carts stored there that I had > used over ten to 20 years ago. I hope to get back there and save them > to > digital for posterity. I think the tacky while refreshing low-tech > 'splash in the pool' sfx may among the aural survivors. > > Question: what do you recommend for software for dubbing to digital a > bunch of tape? Something with ease of library classification, etc. > Also, I have been looking around for a reel to reel player for 12/7" > reels (low budget). The tape's not getting any younger. Who knows what > I'll discover amidst the tape. Something tells me there are more than a > couple of early Fybush quality gems in there. > > Bill O'Neill > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1871 - Release Date: > 1/1/2009 5:01 PM From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 2 16:29:55 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:29:55 -0500 Subject: ReRe: WAS FCC coverage change maps - IS Fussing with things aroundtheantenna Message-ID: <380-22009152212955453@ix.netcom.com> Dan, re cordwood pile, thank you for a belly laugh. As I recall, in WWI(?), there was attempted use of trees as antennea, with a slant feed wire. >> firewood--it measures ~6' high by 40' long by 16-in. thick Once upon a time, I often helped a friend, who logged out areas, cut & split to cordwood... his 6-wheel dump truck would haul 2 cords max. I'd estimate the described pile as less then the dump truck, thus less then 2 cord. Wow, a imprecise measurement field, so far from my PC's and approximate radio tech calcs. >> southeastern New England's largest mouse farm. One ponders if the mice moving around could affect DTV signal strength? (woah, me saying "mouse" meaning creature, not PC tool) > [Original Message] > From: Dan.Strassberg > To: John Bolduc ; > Date: 1/2/2009 1:47:24 PM > Subject: Re: WAS FCC coverage change maps - IS Fussing with things aroundtheantenna > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 16:32:29 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:32:29 -0500 Subject: more on WHUE In-Reply-To: <495E3655.25750.46681B@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <001c01c96d00$39e730d0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <20090102182032.9DF351DC595@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <495E3655.25750.46681B@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20090102213238.53879202414@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:44 PM 1/2/2009, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >So how long did it stay all news? I don't think it was for very >long, then it went back to beautiful music. Exactly. I think it only stayed all-news for about a year. From lspin@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 16:47:44 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:47:44 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> Message-ID: <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> Cool Edit is (was) a fantastic sound editor/recorder program. Sadly, it doesn't work with Windows Vista. That would require purchasing the much more expensive descendant of Cool Edit now named Adobe Audition. I haven't tried it. Audacity is also a good sound editor/recorder. There is even a product out there named "Power MP3 Recorder" that is a very low overhead program that simply records directly into MP3 format. The beauty of MP3 Recorder is that it goes directly to MP3, so there is not the wait time (several minutes) that Cool Edit takes to process sound down to MP3. And a license costs only $15. Cheap! -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, but the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is top-notch, and it's easy to edit. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 16:55:18 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:55:18 -0600 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> You're wrong.. Cool Edit 2000 works fine on Windows Vista... I have Vista Home and CE2000 on my computer.. I use it all the time, it works fine. Paul On 1/2/09, Lou wrote: > > Cool Edit is (was) a fantastic sound editor/recorder program. Sadly, it > doesn't work with Windows Vista. That would require purchasing the much > more expensive descendant of Cool Edit now named Adobe Audition. I haven't > tried it. Audacity is also a good sound editor/recorder. > > There is even a product out there named "Power MP3 Recorder" that is a very > low overhead program that simply records directly into MP3 format. The > beauty of MP3 Recorder is that it goes directly to MP3, so there is not the > wait time (several minutes) that Cool Edit takes to process sound down to > MP3. And a license costs only $15. Cheap! > > > -Lou > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Scott Fybush > > I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, > but the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is > top-notch, and it's easy to edit. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 17:03:26 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:03:26 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> As bad off as radio is they have nowhere near the problems of print. The newsroom expense is the least of their problems. The cost of buying newsprint, printing, distribution are not going down. The Herald has slashed some costs by now printing in Chicope at the Wall St Journal plant. The Globe was hammered when Macy's shut down Filenes that alsone has cost them many full page ads a week. Classified ads have vanished and that is where the profit was. WBZ has no debt to speak of given that Westinghouse now CBS has owned the station since 1921. FM has been a disaster for CBS which is no shock given that Westinghouse never understood what they had. I feel bad for the Boston management as they have to do what New York wants and if they fought CBS would find somebody else. I think it is fair to say that WBZ used to operate with a higher standard than other local outlets. Before the internet they were the most solid link to the rest of the country concerning Boston. One would think that Sumner Redstone might have a soft spot for WBZ having lived in Newton for so many years. The reality is WBZ is just another spreadsheet that is looked at by the bean counters. I suppose we should be thankful BZ stayed local overnights as long as they did as everybody else gave up a long time ago. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 2 17:05:43 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:05:43 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E8FB7.3020900@ttlc.net> To which version of Cool Edit are we referring? Cool Edit Cool Edit 96 Cool Edit Pro Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > You're wrong.. Cool Edit 2000 works fine on Windows Vista... I have Vista > Home and CE2000 on my computer.. I use it all the time, it works fine. > > Paul > > > On 1/2/09, Lou wrote: > >> Cool Edit is (was) a fantastic sound editor/recorder program. Sadly, it >> doesn't work with Windows Vista. That would require purchasing the much >> more expensive descendant of Cool Edit now named Adobe Audition. I haven't >> tried it. Audacity is also a good sound editor/recorder. >> >> There is even a product out there named "Power MP3 Recorder" that is a very >> low overhead program that simply records directly into MP3 format. The >> beauty of MP3 Recorder is that it goes directly to MP3, so there is not the >> wait time (several minutes) that Cool Edit takes to process sound down to >> MP3. And a license costs only $15. Cheap! >> >> >> -Lou >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Scott Fybush >> >> I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, >> but the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is >> top-notch, and it's easy to edit. >> >> >> >> > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 2 17:06:42 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:06:42 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <495E8FB7.3020900@ttlc.net> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> <495E8FB7.3020900@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <495E8FF2.9020709@ttlc.net> Ignore this. Enter Key faster than Synapses. Roger Kirk wrote: > To which version of Cool Edit are we referring? > Cool Edit > Cool Edit 96 > Cool Edit Pro > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> You're wrong.. Cool Edit 2000 works fine on Windows Vista... I have >> Vista >> Home and CE2000 on my computer.. I use it all the time, it works fine. >> >> Paul >> >> >> On 1/2/09, Lou wrote: >> >>> Cool Edit is (was) a fantastic sound editor/recorder program. >>> Sadly, it >>> doesn't work with Windows Vista. That would require purchasing the >>> much >>> more expensive descendant of Cool Edit now named Adobe Audition. I >>> haven't >>> tried it. Audacity is also a good sound editor/recorder. >>> >>> There is even a product out there named "Power MP3 Recorder" that is >>> a very >>> low overhead program that simply records directly into MP3 format. The >>> beauty of MP3 Recorder is that it goes directly to MP3, so there is >>> not the >>> wait time (several minutes) that Cool Edit takes to process sound >>> down to >>> MP3. And a license costs only $15. Cheap! >>> >>> >>> -Lou >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >>> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of >>> Scott Fybush >>> >>> I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, >>> but the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is >>> top-notch, and it's easy to edit. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 17:15:19 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:15:19 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > WBZ has no debt to speak of given that Westinghouse now CBS has owned > the station since 1921. That's a non sequitur if ever I saw one. The date a piece of paper was filled out by a government agency has no bearing on how much money that paper's beneficiary has borrowed in the intervening decades. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Jan 2 17:29:04 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:29:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <14474542.1230935344257.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" > >On 2 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: > >> Yes, when it was "Walden 1120", playing folk music in >> the daytime. > >What is the station doing now? Last I heard, they had >become WBNW with a business format, but that was a few >years ago. It's still business WBNW, with some additional brokered programming. EP From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 17:30:54 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:30:54 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> I didn't say CBS doesn't have massive debt but WBZ itself should be minimal. They have been in the same building since 1948, transmitter location was bought around 1940 etc. They certainly have never overpaid for talent on the radio side either and if a talent demanded too much BZ would find somebody else. CBS overpaid for both Infinity and American Radio and that is what is killing them now. There is where your debt is. On 1/2/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> WBZ has no debt to speak of given that Westinghouse now CBS has owned >> the station since 1921. > > That's a non sequitur if ever I saw one. > > The date a piece of paper was filled out by a government agency has no > bearing on how much money that paper's beneficiary has borrowed in the > intervening decades. > > -GAWollman > > From atolz@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 18:18:55 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:18:55 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com><495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DE56DF215DD42CA88AC80E42002B9E9@mediacenter> Hmmm...Steve Leveille as the host of A "Giant" Overnight Extraveganza is a good way to keep him on the air. If WBZ doesn't want to play, perhaps a regional group of Mass/NH/ME FM's would consider it better programming than their Audiovaults, even if they each only generate a few extra dollars overnight. You never know... Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: What is CBS Radio thinking??? >I am taking about a sponsor who spends HEAVILY in the Boston market. > He owns the company outright so he makes the ad buys himself. > > The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the > belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show since it > will be on several blowtorch signals and they don't want WBZ as > competition. > > > > > > > On 1/2/09, Bill O'Neill wrote: >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> Their offer was turned down. He is >>> now deeply considering pulling all his ads from CBS and just use >>> Entercom outlets. >>> >>> He said he was thinking of years ago when a small mens store in New >>> Jersey did all their ads on WABC overnight. >> >> The golden age of radio was significant for single or 2-sponsor shows, >> e.g., Lux Soap, Maxwell House Coffee, Lucky Strike Cigarettes, who paid >> full-boat for the production in exchange for heavy visibility. If CBS >> says no to that kind of deal then their decision was not about saving >> money. >> >> I'd not blame the advertiser from wanting to put his money where it is >> welcome. >> >> Bill O'Neill >> > From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 18:22:26 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:22:26 -0500 Subject: more on WHUE In-Reply-To: <20090102213238.53879202414@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090101071543.B54E3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <495E3655.25750.46681B@Joe.attorneyross.com>, <20090102213238.53879202414@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <495E5B62.5731.D720D0@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Donna Halper wrote: > At 03:44 PM 1/2/2009, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > >So how long did it stay all news? I don't think it was for very > >long, then it went back to beautiful music. > > Exactly. I think it only stayed all-news for about a year. I didn't think it was that long. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 2 18:22:25 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:22:25 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark>, <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E5B61.4457.D71FF5@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 Kevin Vahey wrote: > I didn't say CBS doesn't have massive debt but WBZ itself should be > minimal. They have been in the same building since 1948, transmitter > location was bought around 1940 etc. But the building on Soldiers Field Road was extensively renovated about a decade ago, and the radio transmitter more recently. And the expenses of going to digital TV must be massive as well. Do you really think some or all of that wasn't financed? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From atolz@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 18:24:55 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:24:55 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com><495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> Message-ID: <9358E1921BD64D8991658B4D33709FDE@mediacenter> BTW, "Cool Edit" is now called "Audition". It is now owned by Adobe, and Scott is correct that it is intuitive to use. As long as you know how to save files to your hard drive, or to an external drive if you have a lot of audio, it's also very easy to create a library that can be played back in MP3 form. If you have a Windows Media Player or i-Tunes, cataloging and burning to CD's is also very easy. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Bill O'Neill" Cc: "Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org" ; "JohnOnTheSeacoast" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: Re: WCAP a trend-fighter >> Question: what do you recommend for software for dubbing to digital a >> bunch of tape? Something with ease of library classification, etc. > > I record into Cool Edit - doesn't do much for library classification, but > the quality is good, the noise-reduction and EQ functionality is > top-notch, and it's easy to edit. > >> Also, I have been looking around for a reel to reel player for 12/7" >> reels (low budget). The tape's not getting any younger. Who knows what >> I'll discover amidst the tape. Something tells me there are more than a >> couple of early Fybush quality gems in there. > > Which should probably remain as buried as possible! I have most, if not > all, of my WCAP material on cassette, recorded on the radio in the > newsroom. Sadly, I made the mistake of scoping down "my" stuff, not > realizing that what I should have been saving was the much more > interesting BillO show around my newscasts... > > s > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 18:38:34 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:38:34 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495E5B61.4457.D71FF5@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <495E5B61.4457.D71FF5@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021538q459161a2ybd5f48b901127d6@mail.gmail.com> I am sure the bulk of the renovation money was handled by the TV side. As far as radio side went they just moved into the TV newsroom. CBS is getting pounded in all of their divisions. Their billboard division is hurting with way too many in-house ads. Local TV news has been a disaster in most markets where actually channel 4 is one of the few showing a pulse. I was always of the belief that you have to spend money to make money. Obviously that is no longer the case. Steve should be given a chance to say goodbye because for many older shutins he is one of the few friends they have. There was a reason people in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois and who knows where listened to him. He was original, friendly and fun. To have WBZ say he was under the weather last night was simply cruel. Morgan when pressed told the truth..hopefully he doesn't lose his gig over that. On 1/2/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2 Jan 2009 Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I didn't say CBS doesn't have massive debt but WBZ itself should be >> minimal. They have been in the same building since 1948, transmitter >> location was bought around 1940 etc. > > But the building on Soldiers Field Road was extensively renovated > about a decade ago, and the radio transmitter more recently. And the > expenses of going to digital TV must be massive as well. Do you > really think some or all of that wasn't financed? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 14:22:34 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:22:34 -0600 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais) In-Reply-To: <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901021122n2cf15023n1ebb47863c47baf6@mail.gmail.com> Bill, I hope you get to save thhose carts and tape... it's something I think is very important to do. When I worked at WABV last year, I dubbed some 20 year old "Christian Hit Radio, AM 1590" WABV jingles to mp3.. along with tons of old liners, promos, ids and such from WINF 1250 a station north of Columbia, SC thats been dark for 20 years! (Somehow their carts were at WABV and I have no idea why) I have both the WABV and WINF stuff as mp3's on this computer, if anyone is remotely interested in the WABV and WINF stuff, feel free to email me offlist and I'll be glad to share them by email. Paul Walker walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On 1/2/09, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: > >> It makes you appreciate owners (local) like Clark and Sam at AM980, WCAP. >> >> >> John >> >> > > Along with Scott, count me among the WCAP alumni very pleased with Clark > and the local innovation going on at "The Cap" (an unofficial moniker that's > a perennial nickname by staff and alums over the years.) > BTW, I visited the station not too long ago. I was pleased to see that > there were actually some old tapes and carts stored there that I had used > over ten to 20 years ago. I hope to get back there and save them to digital > for posterity. I think the tacky while refreshing low-tech 'splash in the > pool' sfx may among the aural survivors. > Question: what do you recommend for software for dubbing to digital a bunch > of tape? Something with ease of library classification, etc. Also, I have > been looking around for a reel to reel player for 12/7" reels (low budget). > The tape's not getting any younger. Who knows what I'll discover amidst the > tape. Something tells me there are more than a couple of early Fybush > quality gems in there. > > Bill O'Neill > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 17:45:46 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:45:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <489506.80488.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 11:02 AM -0800 1/2/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > Advertisers see no value in advertising in a product that doesn't >require people to buy it. Huh? Nobody has to buy the Yellow Pages or the local free weekly, yet they contain plenty of advertising. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 2 18:50:03 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:50:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> Message-ID: <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou" To: "'Mark Laurence'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: RE: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >I will add my voice to the choir by saying: This is horrible. Where does > it end? > > Perhaps, in an overly optimistic vein, the pendulum will begin to swing > back. Corporate people will try to unload some of these properties back > to > local companies which will pump-in some local cash with hopes of > resurrecting them. Or has the economic model for good, local radio really > faded into history? It's very tough. What businesses are going to buy ads to support a local radio station? The retail sector, formerly a major supporter of local radio, is now dominated by national chains and big box stores. Few of those companies spend money on radio. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 2 18:51:44 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:51:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495E43E9.5030403@gmail.com> References: <200901020553.n025r7xU007842@tsornin.bostonradio.org><495DAE4D.60400@fybush.com> <495E43E9.5030403@gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > Question - We see what has been happening as CC dumps many of its > acquisitions - some stations are actually getting back to regional or > local control to some extent (for now). Is there a pendulum swing in the > offing that could be deja-vu all over again for heritage signals? CC sold their Maine stations to a local group. The first thing that the new group did was cut staffing from the CC level. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 17:55:12 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:55:12 -0500 Subject: What is CBS Radio thinking??? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901021129g1a65e3e9r96633348cfcde56d@mail.gmail.com> <495E6EB6.9030502@gmail.com> <4fc429770901021220t529d54dci89e4f38acf78b401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 2:20 PM -0600 1/2/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I am taking about a sponsor who spends HEAVILY in the Boston market. >He owns the company outright so he makes the ad buys himself. > >The only thing I can think of for CBS to turn the offer down is the >belief they can sell enough national ads on the St Louis show since it >will be on several blowtorch signals and they don't want WBZ as >competition. It's quite likely that they have orders from corporate, and there's nothing they can do at the local level regardless of the circumstances. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 18:02:38 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:02:38 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs. analog coverage change maps In-Reply-To: <003501c96d1c$b1c1cdb0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> References: <380-2200915253851750@ix.netcom.com> <003501c96d1c$b1c1cdb0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> Message-ID: At 3:57 PM -0500 1/2/09, JohnOnTheSeacoast wrote: >Here in York, ME where a "roof antenna" pull in Channels 6,8, 9, 11, 13, 21 >and sometimes Channel 5, when I switch the Zenith 901 DTV tuner, that all >changes to DTV channels and multi-streams for channel 11, 21, and 9, and >that's it. I will have to spend more time this Spring getting this roof >antenna up higher and hope for the best. I am tired of expensive cable >monthly bills! It may be that you need an antenna which is better on UHF and/or a preamp. I notice that most of the stations you receive in analog are on VHF. You may also find after Feb 17 when some of those stations go back to their original channel with their digital signal that you may be OK. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 2 19:20:45 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:20:45 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark><5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com><18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38A1719E41AB4B6B9A9195A292D8E648@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >I didn't say CBS doesn't have massive debt but WBZ itself should be > minimal. WBZ "itself" is not a legal entity. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 19:47:55 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:47:55 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I didn't say CBS doesn't have massive debt but WBZ itself should be > minimal. They have been in the same building since 1948, transmitter > location was bought around 1940 etc. WBZ doesn't exist as a legal personality. It isn't in any way separate from CBS; the debts of the company are the debts of WBZ and vice versa. I don't think their sales staff is hungry enough yet. They seem to be just coasting along on what few continuing local sponsors they have (mostly car dealers) and national agency buys. I don't think if Mel were still in charge that he'd let them get away with that. Of course, if the ratings go in the tank as a result of lack of investment in the talent, it will be all that much tougher to find anyone -- local or agency -- who wants to buy the time. Have I mentioned yet that 'BZ's news anchors make lousy sports reporters? -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 19:54:49 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:54:49 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <38A1719E41AB4B6B9A9195A292D8E648@DanBillingsPC> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <38A1719E41AB4B6B9A9195A292D8E648@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <18782.46937.631340.762994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > WBZ "itself" is not a legal entity. Although it could be, and many broadcasting companies are structured that way. I don't know why CBS's lawyers and accountants haven't drawn them along that route. Many licenses are owned by an LLC whose members are an LP and a C corporation which are both in turn owned by another LLC which is owned by the main parent corporation, sometimes with two or three more levels of indirection. This apparently allows them to avoid taxation in those states which tax all of a foreign corporation's income regardless of source, and of course it also makes station sales simpler if all the assets are already conveniently grouped in one corporation. However, in these cases, there is usually a cross-guarantee structure where each subsidiary guarantees the debts of the others and of the parent company. (You can learn a lot by reading FCC ownership filings.) -GAWollman From blainethompson@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 19:56:19 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:56:19 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Have I mentioned yet that 'BZ's news anchors make lousy sports > reporters? Reading Garrett's question reminded me something. I don't know this answer, as I don't listen to WBZ enough. One of the first radio programming books I read said "Don't let your news anchors voice commercials." Does WBZ let (or "make") their news anchors voice commercials? - Blaine From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 2 20:38:59 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:38:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.49587.550586.499470@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > One of the first radio programming books I read said "Don't let your > news anchors voice commercials." > Does WBZ let (or "make") their news anchors voice commercials? I believe they do. Gary LaPierre famously had a stipulation in his contract that he would not do commercials. But truth be told, I haven't heard a whole lot of live-read spots on 'BZ lately. (The big live-read buyers were always the Vermont Teddy Bear Company, who usually bought the unit right before sports. "And now this message...." They seem to have cut back lately, although I've heard some live-reads on other stations for the "pajamagram" people.) -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 20:49:37 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:49:37 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark><5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com><18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com><18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B0EBB5438CA40B1A60FB5D28717F153@MainXPPro> > Reading Garrett's question reminded me something. > One of the first radio programming books I read said "Don't let your > news anchors voice commercials." > Does WBZ let (or "make") their news anchors voice commercials? WINS news anchors have read live copy for as long as I remember...preceeded by the line: "And now this commercial announcement..." And followed by: "WINS Newtime______." The key is to read the copy straight...like a news report...and not go into character. From lspin@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 20:52:58 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:52:58 -0500 Subject: WCAP a trend-fighter In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <001a01c96cff$cdc91ee0$7601a8c0@code1.emi.philips.com> <495E67BE.3030904@gmail.com> <495E6C4A.1020406@fybush.com> <005201c96d23$bee28910$3ca79b30$@net> <8bce0fe80901021355s6b929191j60196e91afe9eb17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005601c96d46$00c48ff0$024dafd0$@net> Interesting. I've gotten several responses to this saying that CE2000 works well on Vista. I might try a re-install to see what's what. It really is a great sound editor. Thanks, -Lou From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:55 PM To: Lou Cc: Scott Fybush; Bill O'Neill; Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org; JohnOnTheSeacoast Subject: Re: WCAP a trend-fighter You're wrong.. Cool Edit 2000 works fine on Windows Vista... I have Vista Home and CE2000 on my computer.. I use it all the time, it works fine. Paul On 1/2/09, Lou wrote: Cool Edit is (was) a fantastic sound editor/recorder program. Sadly, it doesn't work with Windows Vista. That would require purchasing the much more expensive descendant of Cool Edit now named Adobe Audition. I haven't tried it. Audacity is also a good sound editor/recorder. There is even a product out there named "Power MP3 Recorder" that is a very low overhead program that simply records directly into MP3 format. The beauty of MP3 Recorder is that it goes directly to MP3, so there is not the wait time (several minutes) that Cool Edit takes to process sound down to MP3. And a license costs only $15. Cheap! -Lou From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 21:02:52 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:02:52 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark><5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com><18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com><18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60A2ED8D2A234350961579E428DE6B85@SatU205S5044> I guess the author of your programming book should tell that to Paul Harvey. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Thompson" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > One of the first radio programming books I read said "Don't let your > news anchors voice commercials." > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 21:50:01 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:50:01 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <1B0EBB5438CA40B1A60FB5D28717F153@MainXPPro> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> <1B0EBB5438CA40B1A60FB5D28717F153@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <20090103025010.BC254C0A3@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 08:49 PM 1/2/2009, Don A wrote: >WINS news anchors have read live copy for as long as I >remember...preceeded by the line: "And now this commercial >announcement..." And followed by: "WINS Newtime______." There was a time when the late great David Brudnoy would not do commercials. And some of the old-school news anchors didn't believe they should do them either-- the theory back then was there should be a strict separation between sales and news. But these days... not so much. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 21:52:01 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:52:01 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais, PS Message-ID: <20090103025210.97865C0AE@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> When I wrote that David Brudnoy would not do commercials, I meant he wouldn't read them live. Of course he played the commercials that were on his show, and even did a promo now and then, although sometimes sarcastically, as when he discussed his show being pre-empted for "another exciting hockey game." But he didn't believe he should be selling teddy bears or deodorant or whatever. From blainethompson@gmail.com Fri Jan 2 21:58:05 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:58:05 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090103025010.BC254C0A3@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> <1B0EBB5438CA40B1A60FB5D28717F153@MainXPPro> <20090103025010.BC254C0A3@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901021858p3ee965a3t5c7bd4aac0c8ca5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > the theory back then was there should be a strict separation between sales and news. That was the reason indicated in the book. However, the book I read was from the mid to late 1990's. - Blaine From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 2 22:09:34 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:09:34 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Billings To: Lou ; 'Mark Laurence' ; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:50 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou" > To: "'Mark Laurence'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:09 AM > Subject: RE: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > > >I will add my voice to the choir by saying: This is horrible. Where does > > it end? > > > > Perhaps, in an overly optimistic vein, the pendulum will begin to swing > > back. Corporate people will try to unload some of these properties back > > to > > local companies which will pump-in some local cash with hopes of > > resurrecting them. Or has the economic model for good, local radio really > > faded into history? > > It's very tough. What businesses are going to buy ads to support a local > radio station? The retail sector, formerly a major supporter of local > radio, is now dominated by national chains and big box stores. Few of those > companies spend money on radio. > If the selling prices dip low enough, I'd expect the stations unloaded by the big corporate chains to go to the bottom-feeder chains rather than mom-and-pop local ownership, with programming being dollar-a-holler religion or ethnic. It would be odd to hear that kind of programming on FM, that's for sure, but if there's nobody out there interested in doing "real radio" -- or advertising on it -- what else could the future be? Howard From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 2 22:56:04 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:56:04 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> It is frightening to think about but the day may come when CBS decides to unload the 1030 blowtorch and somebody like Salem grabs it. CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. HD hash as made it almost impossible to listen to WBZ on the NY Thruway at night and homesick Bostonians no longer need to tune to 1030 for news at night. The day may come when WBZ simply moves their format to FM and they would still dominate the market. I want to be wrong about this but I think the dye is cast. I am pretty certain Entercom would love to move WEEI to FM and unload 850 as well but their FM options are limited. From dick@dicksummer.com Fri Jan 2 23:09:47 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:09:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are now wi-fi only radios made by RCA, Grace and Sanyo. I got one for Christmas. Great sound. 15,000 stations from all over the world. Free. Nobody needs a stick in the mud any more. Something great, and wonderful, and mysterious died this year Kevin. But something great, and wonderful and mysterious was also born this year. I can't help mourning the death...but the birth is so exciting. Dick Summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Howard Glazer" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > It is frightening to think about but the day may come when CBS decides > to unload the 1030 blowtorch and somebody like Salem grabs it. > > CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear > channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. > HD hash as made it almost impossible to listen to WBZ on the NY > Thruway at night and homesick Bostonians no longer need to tune to > 1030 for news at night. > > The day may come when WBZ simply moves their format to FM and they > would still dominate the market. > > I want to be wrong about this but I think the dye is cast. > > I am pretty certain Entercom would love to move WEEI to FM and unload > 850 as well but their FM options are limited. > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jan 2 23:24:32 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:24:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EE880.9060503@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is frightening to think about but the day may come when CBS decides > to unload the 1030 blowtorch and somebody like Salem grabs it. > That isn't all that bad an idea. First, Salem probably could not get big bucks by selling the time for preaching shows -- the New England audience for religious radio doesn't have a track record of donating lots of money, perhaps due to our famous parsimony, but probably due to the relatively small evangelical Protestant sector here. On the other hand, some of Salem's conservative talk shows might perform decently on a well-known 50kW station. Of course, how well they'd perform depends on what's up against them, and so on. A station with a bunch of Salem talk shows -- and who knows, maybe some local ones -- wouldn't be as good as having a news station that's live and local 6a-6p, but it's not the worst of all possible fates for the station. --RC From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 23:28:33 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:28:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 11:09 PM -0500 1/2/09, Dick Summer wrote: >There are now wi-fi only radios made by RCA, Grace and Sanyo. I got >one for Christmas. Great sound. 15,000 stations from all over the >world. Free. Nobody needs a stick in the mud any more. Something >great, and wonderful, and mysterious died this year Kevin. But >something great, and wonderful and mysterious was also born this >year. I can't help mourning the death...but the birth is so >exciting. Dick Summer > I've often wondered about all these Internet stations, specifically about the economics. I know many of these are simply simulcasts of over-the-air stations, but many others are not. So, who pays for the operation of these stations, how do they make a profit (other than those that are there for non-commercial reasons)? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 23:58:48 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:58:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear > channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. I think news is being put on FM in 2 markets (SF & DC), because, their is no AM that covers the market completely. > HD hash as made it almost impossible to listen to WBZ on the NY > Thruway at night... I don't think CBS executives care if people listen to WBZ on the NY Thrway... > The day may come when WBZ simply moves their format to FM and they > would still dominate the market. Then that would displace a current format (and revenue) on one of CBS's FM station...AND leave a very expensive facility with no format. > I am pretty certain Entercom would love to move WEEI to FM and unload > 850 as well but their FM options are limited. And, if this were to take place, what do you think would happen to the value of 850AM a.) The current depressed market... b.) With no viable format for 850? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 00:04:34 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:04:34 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Obviously the landscape has changed. We have no idea how many people used to listen to you Dick at WBZ but it may have been one or two million (maybe more). Charlie Greer at WABC the same thing. A decade later Glick had a huge following again estimated to be in the millions. Those days are long gone. It is said that at one time in the mid 60's Bruce Bradley on BZ was #1....in BALTIMORE. AM was it, our only option. How else can one explain just saying to anyone over 45 in Boston WO9-8989 and they will nod and say Ken Mayer. Early Monday morning it was him and Norm Nathan at WHDH...nothing else. I try to explain to young people today that in the early to mid 70's we were lucky to have Channel 5 and George Fennell 5 nights a week. I used to love the Yesterday's Newsreel they had. Last I heard George was working as a bank teller. If this list had existed in my college days there would have been fierce debate over the future of FM over AM. Now I wonder if AM wil even exist a decade from now. I think the biggest problem today is the lack of creativity on media. When there were only 3-4 TV stations and a handful of AM signals you HAD to be good. That is becoming less of a factor today. From mward@iname.com Sat Jan 3 00:17:30 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:17:30 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EF4EA.8060008@iname.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > It is said that at one time in the mid 60's Bruce Bradley on BZ was > #1....in BALTIMORE. Top 40 powerhouse CKLW/800 Windsor/Detroit was number 1 in Cleveland and other Ohio markets for a good long time. As for 'BZ, I was a teenage talk radio listener/DXer who remembers Larry Glick quite well from my listening post here in Ohio... From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 3 00:34:40 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:34:40 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think the biggest problem today is the lack of creativity on media. > When there were only 3-4 TV stations and a handful of AM signals you > HAD to be good. That is becoming less of a factor today. I disagree. I think there's plenty of creativity out there -- just not on the broadcast platform any more. The biggest problem today is that the ownership of traditional media platforms has become so concentrated, while the audience has become so fragmented, that the owners are afraid to do anything that might actually cost money. That's particularly the case at big, debt-saddled group owners who are just a step away from bankruptcy. To step into an alternate part of the media world for a seocnd... nearly all of the creativity in the comic-strip business these days is happening on the Web. Newspapers, long the mainstay of the comics business, are increasingly irrelevant, and the syndicated comics they still carry are looking increasingly superannuated. The level of investment required to start a syndicated strip today is frankly insurmountable (only very popular current artists need apply), and the level of creative control demanded by the syndicators is far beyond what today's young artists consider acceptable. But for a few successful webcomic artists, an off-hours hobby Web site has become a full-time job -- enough to pay the bills -- without giving up anything to newspaper syndication. Webcomics are no longer restricted to niche products for the geek audience like "User Friendly" (drawn by J.D. Fraser, and thought to be the first successful advertising-supported self-syndicated webcomic). There's still an enormous audience out there for terrestrial radio -- an audience which can carry onto new distribution platforms if the operators don't destroy their brands by diluting product quality -- so the twofold question is, why haven't commercial broadcasters been more successful in brining innovative content to the radio, and why are they not better at selling the value proposition of radio advertising to merchants?[0] (Particularly when the PPM is finally going to bring increased rigor[1] to ratings analysis.) -GAWollman [0] See Lew Dickey's comments to Wall Street analysts in the last Cumulus conference call. He gets it. I think Mel got it, when he was runinng CBS, despite the documented tightfistedness of his tenure there. [1] To a point. The margin of sampling error on many of those demographic crosstabs is still going to make it impossible to distinguish between first place and last with reasonable confidence. But at least advertisers will know for sure whether their message reached the intended audience. From dick@dicksummer.com Sat Jan 3 00:43:52 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:43:52 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62A25A16D1EB403BABC64BB62F818D5C@DickPC2> Lots of them are labors of love. I plan on putting mine up sometime in February of 2009. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > At 11:09 PM -0500 1/2/09, Dick Summer wrote: > >>There are now wi-fi only radios made by RCA, Grace and Sanyo. I got one >>for Christmas. Great sound. 15,000 stations from all over the world. Free. >>Nobody needs a stick in the mud any more. Something great, and wonderful, >>and mysterious died this year Kevin. But something great, and wonderful >>and mysterious was also born this year. I can't help mourning the >>death...but the birth is so exciting. Dick Summer >> > > I've often wondered about all these Internet stations, specifically about > the economics. I know many of these are simply simulcasts of over-the-air > stations, but many others are not. So, who pays for the operation of > these stations, how do they make a profit (other than those that are there > for non-commercial reasons)? > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From dick@dicksummer.com Sat Jan 3 00:45:58 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:45:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> There's a lot of everything out there...except...one thing. There's nothing out there that cares. There's lots of music, lots of information, lots of opinion, lots of explanation...but nothing that cares. We cared. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dick Summer" Cc: "Howard Glazer" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > Obviously the landscape has changed. > > We have no idea how many people used to listen to you Dick at WBZ but > it may have been one or two million (maybe more). Charlie Greer at > WABC the same thing. A decade later Glick had a huge following again > estimated to be in the millions. Those days are long gone. > > It is said that at one time in the mid 60's Bruce Bradley on BZ was > #1....in BALTIMORE. > > AM was it, our only option. How else can one explain just saying to > anyone over 45 in Boston WO9-8989 and they will nod and say Ken Mayer. > Early Monday morning it was him and Norm Nathan at WHDH...nothing > else. > > I try to explain to young people today that in the early to mid 70's > we were lucky to have Channel 5 and George Fennell 5 nights a week. I > used to love the Yesterday's Newsreel they had. Last I heard George > was working as a bank teller. > > If this list had existed in my college days there would have been > fierce debate over the future of FM over AM. Now I wonder if AM wil > even exist a decade from now. > > I think the biggest problem today is the lack of creativity on media. > When there were only 3-4 TV stations and a handful of AM signals you > HAD to be good. That is becoming less of a factor today. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 00:46:40 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:46:40 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> FM coverage in DC is needed to cover holes in 1500 AM's signal but that is not really a factor with KCBS in SF. While KCBS does have to protect Toronto to the east it still puts a Grade A signal day and night into Sacremento 80 miles away. East of there the only listeners would be on I-80 and FM doesn't reach there. I was told years ago that Westinghouse never even considered all news for WBZ when they flipped WINS, KFWB and KYW simply because they did not want to waste the blowtorch at night. They were going to flip WIND Chicago to all news but William Paley ordered WBBM to go all news first after they missed the boat in NY. I can not see CBS keeping 2 all news stations in NY and LA much longer and perhaps they would simply move WINS to 880 which has the better signal. 2 newsrooms are just too labor intensive in this climate. When Westinghouse bought CBS one of the first moves was to kill all news WMAQ and flip it to sports (WSCR) and WBBM wound up with the bulk of WMAQ listeners. One other thing. We saw how NAB fought hard to prevent the satellite merger and lost. What surprised me was not lobbying the FCC to make it mandatory that all future satellite radios must also have the AM-FM band. I am also surprised that the FCC allowed just FM tuners to be sold. You now have untold millions that don't even have an AM tuner. On 1/2/09, Don A wrote: > > >> CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear >> channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. > > I think news is being put on FM in 2 markets (SF & DC), because, their is no > AM that covers the market completely. > >> HD hash as made it almost impossible to listen to WBZ on the NY >> Thruway at night... > > I don't think CBS executives care if people listen to WBZ on the NY > Thrway... > >> The day may come when WBZ simply moves their format to FM and they >> would still dominate the market. > > Then that would displace a current format (and revenue) on one of CBS's FM > station...AND leave a very expensive facility with no format. > >> I am pretty certain Entercom would love to move WEEI to FM and unload >> 850 as well but their FM options are limited. > > And, if this were to take place, what do you think would happen to the > value of 850AM > > a.) The current depressed market... > > b.) With no viable format for 850? > > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 3 00:54:47 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:54:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > One other thing. We saw how NAB fought hard to prevent the satellite > merger and lost. What surprised me was not lobbying the FCC to make it > mandatory that all future satellite radios must also have the AM-FM > band. They lobbied the FCC to make it mandatory that all satellite receivers also have IBOC. The Commission didn't bite. > I am also surprised that the FCC allowed just FM tuners to be sold. > You now have untold millions that don't even have an AM tuner. The FCC lacks the legal authority to make such a requirement. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:55:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:55:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021538q459161a2ybd5f48b901127d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark>, <495E5B61.4457.D71FF5@Joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770901021538q459161a2ybd5f48b901127d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EB77E.30990.87A078@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 at 17:38, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am sure the bulk of the renovation money was handled by the TV side. > As far as radio side went they just moved into the TV newsroom. The TV side paid for renovation of the radio transmitter in Hull? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:55:28 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:55:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <495EB780.31939.87A84B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 at 23:58, Don A wrote: > a.) The current depressed market... > > b.) With no viable format for 850? How about Air America? Or maybe it'll be at a price that Bob Bittner can buy and move WJIB to a 50,000 watt signal. Hmm, I'm starting to sound like Joseph Gallant. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:55:29 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:55:29 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EB781.22526.87A978@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 at 23:04, Kevin Vahey wrote: > If this list had existed in my college days there would have been > fierce debate over the future of FM over AM. Now I wonder if AM wil > even exist a decade from now. In the short story "Logic of Empire," by Robert Heinlein, published in Astounding Science Fiction for March 1941, and set sometime around 2010-2015, depicting a revolt of Venus colonists against the corporation that rules them, the main character creates a system of radio communication for the rebellion which the Company can't detect, using "a totally obsolete type of transmitter, an amplitude modulator." All the radio systems used by the company and everyone else on Venus used frequency modulation. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:55:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:55:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer>, <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495EB77E.11389.879EC0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Jan 2009 at 21:56, Kevin Vahey wrote: > CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear > channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. > HD hash as made it almost impossible to listen to WBZ on the NY > Thruway at night and homesick Bostonians no longer need to tune to > 1030 for news at night. But no doing the HD seems unthinkable, even though nobody is listening. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 01:03:46 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:03:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090103060355.68A731DF134@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:46 AM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >One other thing. We saw how NAB fought hard to prevent the satellite >merger and lost. What surprised me was not lobbying the FCC to make it >mandatory that all future satellite radios must also have the AM-FM >band. The NAB, as Bob Bittner and I discussed on the late lamented Let's Talk About Radio, has truly lost its way. (That sound you hear is John Shepard 3rd spinning in his grave.) When the NAB was designed in 1923, its purpose was to help the small stations survive in the face of corporate efforts to stifle them. Back then, the corporations were the music publishers (who didn't want radio to be allowed to play their songs without paying huge royalties for the privilege) and then there were the big chains like NBC and CBS that were eager to drive the smaller stations off the air entirely unless they affiliated with one of the networks. the NAB really did make an effort in those formative years to defend the small and medium sized broadcasters. But today, the NAB's biggest clients are the Clear Channels of the world, and what matters most, it seems to me, is the needs of the big guys. If the little guys (and gals) can't function, hey tough for them, let 'em sell their station or go on the satellite. And owners continue to kill the goose that laid the golden egg-- live and local stations with interesting and useful programming still can get listeners. The Dick Summers and Larry Glicks and Arnie Ginsburgs understood that. Today, owners seem to believe everyone is disposable and everyone can be replaced. And they wonder why they are losing listeners. I mean, Rush Limbaugh is still on over 600 stations, while the industry fails to develop new talent. Now, I don't like Rush and I don't find his show interesting (it used to be), but even if he was my absolute fave, each city needs somebody who is unique to that market, somebody the audience feels understands them and can reach out to them. It ain't brain surgery. Live and local really does work, even today. That's why what WBZ is doing utterly mystifies me. It's gonna save them a few bucks, but it's sooooo self-defeating.... >:-o From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 01:05:06 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:05:06 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> I *thought* Congress finally mandated that all radios over a certain price level had to carry both bands to force the Detroit automakers to offer dual band radios. Apparently I am mistaken. They forced radio manufacturers to offer the extended band on AM. Looks like the NAB doesn't know how to lobby Congress. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 01:19:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:19:39 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495EB77E.11389.879EC0@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495EB77E.11389.879EC0@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901022219g4cc5d321w859f01fb609e6b03@mail.gmail.com> HD on AM has become a bigger fiasco than AM Stereo. I recently saw an article that stated after all this time less than a half million HD radios have been sold nationwide. There is no compelling reason to buy one. TV is only now getting a handle on what to put on the digita sub-channels. FOX for example will soon solve the biggest gripe baseball fans have by offering all 3 of their Saturday baseball games to every affiliate. Local commercials are then protected. FOX has an exclusive window on Saturdays between 1 and 7 and the games were not offered on the baseball service. Using Scott as an example, FOX in Rochester may offer the Yankees on the main channel but now the Red Sox could be shown at the same time. This is a creative use of spectrum. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 3 02:02:41 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:02:41 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c96d71$4616c840$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> Kevin Vahey wrote: > > One other thing. We saw how NAB fought hard to prevent the satellite > merger and lost. What surprised me was not lobbying the FCC to make it > mandatory that all future satellite radios must also have the AM-FM > band. > > I am also surprised that the FCC allowed just FM tuners to be sold. > You now have untold millions that don't even have an AM tuner. > > There's an after-the-fact effort going on to force conventional AM-FM and HD Radio into any interoperable Sirius/XM receivers that Sirius XM eventually puts on the market. The problem, of course, is getting any electronics company to make such a product, given the flagging demand for satellite radio. I read recently that Audiovox will be the primary manufacturer of new Sirius XM radios, so there you go -- whatever is produced will be produced on the ultracheap, with little in the way of quality. Howard (Still listening to WDRC-FM's music library blowout: "Share the Land," "Shaving Cream," "Sh-Boom," "She Cried" ... Who needs satellite!) From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 3 02:38:17 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:38:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> Kevin and Don A wrote: > > >> CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the clear >> channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years ago. > > I think news is being put on FM in 2 markets (SF & DC), because, their > is no AM that covers the market completely. > If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has been for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station was a landmark at night. Since then, Bonneville, WTOP's owner, has run various talk or newsish formats on the 1500 AM channel ("Washington Post Radio", "3WT", "Federal News Radio"), but for now, WTOP fans up here can only get it over the net. http://www.wtopnews.com/ http://www.federalnewsradio.com/ --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 3 03:15:54 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:15:54 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <18783.7866.630462.760910@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has been > for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station was a > landmark at night. As has been discussed here before, the problem with the 1500 signal is that it only covers about half of its market at night, and the cost of moving it to somewhat that would allow it to serve the whole market is greater than even an upgraded facility's value (particularly in these times). Bonneville's not one for throwing good money after bad. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 3 04:37:35 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:37:35 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18783.7866.630462.760910@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> <18783.7866.630462.760910@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <495F31DF.2090402@gabrielmass.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has been >> for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station was a >> landmark at night. > > As has been discussed here before, the problem with the 1500 signal is > that it only covers about half of its market at night, and the cost of > moving it to somewhat that would allow it to serve the whole market is > greater than even an upgraded facility's value (particularly in these > times). Any idea whether putting "Federal News Radio" on 1500 AM is a more profitable proposition? --RC From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 07:50:12 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:50:12 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c96da1$d20a1c50$0302a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > We have no idea how many people used to listen to you Dick at WBZ but > it may have been one or two million (maybe more). Charlie Greer at > WABC the same thing. A decade later Glick had a huge following again > estimated to be in the millions. Those days are long gone. In my teen years (mid-late 1970's) I would scan the AM dial at night, frequently listening to WABC, WKBW, WNBC. I even remember hearing WOWO when they were still 50KW. All had personality and fun sounding radio to offer. Now WABC is birdfeed talk almost 24/7, KB is birdfeed 24/7, and WOWO isn't heard at night anymore in these parts, due to the deal several years back that allowed WLIB in NYC to upgrade to 50KW. But looking at the program schedule on WOWO's website (www.wowo.com) it appears the only locally originated programming is Monday-Friday 5-9AM, "Ft. Wayne's Morning News". All birdfeed the rest of the time, except for a few hours of infomercials, which they even list on the schedule. And with Steve Leveille out, I believe that leaves only 2 live and local folks on the air weekday overnights on Boston radio: Michael Burns on Magic 106.7 and Albert O. on WROR. I believe both stations also have live weekend overnight hosts as well. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 3 08:28:29 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:28:29 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <0DF7DD4796414A76B1CDCB651945BB40@SatU205S5044> If I'm not mistaken, 1500 in DC is now WFED, news for government employees. I think the WTOP calls are back on AM--on the previous WFED, a daytimer on 1050 with night power of a few tens of watts that was just granted an increase to 10 kW ND D with no change in night facilities. What this new WTOP (AM) is programming, I don't know, but I believe it is simulcasting an FM that uses the WTOP-FM calls. The rumor I've heard is that Bonneville wants to sell WTOP (AM) 1050--if it can--when the 10 kW upgrade is completed. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:38 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > Kevin and Don A wrote: >> >> >>> CBS is testing news on FM for a reason (San Francisco) and the >>> clear >>> channel stations no longer have the appeal they had even 15 years >>> ago. >> >> I think news is being put on FM in 2 markets (SF & DC), because, >> their is no AM that covers the market completely. >> > > If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has > been for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station > was a landmark at night. Since then, Bonneville, WTOP's owner, has > run various talk or newsish formats on the 1500 AM channel > ("Washington Post Radio", "3WT", "Federal News Radio"), but for now, > WTOP fans up here can only get it over the net. > > http://www.wtopnews.com/ > http://www.federalnewsradio.com/ > > --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 3 08:39:08 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:39:08 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <002401c96da1$d20a1c50$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: 30 kW-N; daytime remains 10 kW. Despite the high power, WLIB is almost inaudible here at night because its night pattern is designed to protect CHTN, which has now left AM entirely, was not on 1190 when the WLIB's night facilities were built, and had not been on 1190 for probably 20 years before it migrated to FM. The protection to CHTN is, however, required by US treaty obligations to Canada. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Dick Summer" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Howard Glazer" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > WOWO isn't heard at night anymore in these parts, due to the deal > several years back that allowed WLIB in NYC to upgrade to 50KW. From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 09:33:09 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:33:09 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <002401c96da1$d20a1c50$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <002401c96da1$d20a1c50$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901030633o348e4aeav87ecbcd9b25a0fda@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > In my teen years (mid-late 1970's) I would scan the AM dial at night, > frequently listening to WABC, WKBW, WNBC. I even remember hearing WOWO when > they were still 50KW. All had personality and fun sounding radio to offer. > Now WABC is birdfeed talk almost 24/7, KB is birdfeed 24/7, and WOWO isn't > heard at night anymore in these parts, due to the deal several years back > that allowed WLIB in NYC to upgrade to 50KW. But looking at the program > schedule on WOWO's website (www.wowo.com) it appears the only locally > originated programming is Monday-Friday 5-9AM, "Ft. Wayne's Morning News". > All birdfeed the rest of the time, except for a few hours of infomercials, > which they even list on the schedule. Pat White (3PM - 6PM) is also local. http://www.wowo.com/Programs/ThePatWhiteShow/tabid/82/Default.aspx - Blaine From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 09:43:32 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You can mandate AM/FM tuners in cars but you can't make people listen to them. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:05:06 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais I *thought* Congress finally mandated that all radios over a certain price level had to carry both bands to force the Detroit automakers to offer dual band radios. Apparently I am mistaken. They forced radio manufacturers to offer the extended band on AM. Looks like the NAB doesn't know how to lobby Congress. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 3 10:37:14 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:37:14 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.49587.550586.499470@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> <18782.49587.550586.499470@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <495f8641.c505be0a.7a65.ffffcb27@mx.google.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > But truth be told, I >haven't heard a whole lot of live-read spots on 'BZ lately. (The big >live-read buyers were always the Vermont Teddy Bear Company, who >usually bought the unit right before sports. "And now this >message...." They seem to have cut back lately, although I've heard >some live-reads on other stations for the "pajamagram" people.) The only pajamagram ones I've heard have been on syndicated shows (Glen Beck is one). As far as Vt. Teddybear goes, I'm not sure they're doing very well. The tx site for one of the stations I take care of is just down the street from their plant, and the place looked almost abandoned the weeks before Christmas. I'm guessing that really expensive teddybears were not in the budget for many this year. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 3 10:39:17 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:39:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <60A2ED8D2A234350961579E428DE6B85@SatU205S5044> References: <00bb01c96c41$f2af7970$0302a8c0@Mark> <5152.3876.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901011116n7e86469do93a0a548f6905ce0@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901021403g1b2004bduafd88b552431be43@mail.gmail.com> <18782.37367.891537.363085@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901021430l2ef8e17eo63ae70c52a6c750b@mail.gmail.com> <18782.46523.915689.727600@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7bded94e0901021656v7565c9e2kf7d2a7acfa57ac0f@mail.gmail.com> <60A2ED8D2A234350961579E428DE6B85@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <495f86bb.8905be0a.798c.2e99@mx.google.com> At 09:02 PM 1/2/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I guess the author of your programming book should tell that to Paul >Harvey. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Thompson" > >To: >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:56 PM >Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > >> >>One of the first radio programming books I read said "Don't let your >>news anchors voice commercials." A bit of a fine line perhaps, but I'd consider Harvey more of a commentator than a reporter/anchor. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jan 3 10:44:55 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:44:55 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > > If the selling prices dip low enough, I'd expect the stations > unloaded by > the big corporate chains to go to the bottom-feeder chains rather than > mom-and-pop local ownership, with programming being dollar-a-holler > religion > or ethnic. It would be odd to hear that kind of programming on FM, > that's > for sure, but if there's nobody out there interested in doing "real > radio" -- or advertising on it -- what else could the future be? There's no evidence that radio has lost its value for advertisers or listeners. Cume ratings are almost as strong as ever. Quarter-hour numbers are down but nowhere near as much as the audience for newspapers, local TV news, or network prime time. I think people who would buy FM's and a huge AM like WBZ would take advantage of these audiences with good proven programming and some innovations. The bottom feeders gravitate toward weak AM signals and daytimers. We're likely to see bankruptcies for the penny-stock, debt-laden corporations that gobbled up local radio in the 90's. With lower prices and new lending policies, the new owners won't be spending half their cash flow on debt service, and they'll have something left over for a programming budget. Newspapers can be resurrected too with lower sales prices and bankruptcies for the high-debt chains. Even with circulation losses, 50 million papers a day are sold in the US, over a half million between the Globe and the Herald. With less debt and a clean slate, there will be room for new publishers, just like there was room in the 1980's for USA Today to rise to the top out of nowhere. From xradioguy@yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 10:49:32 2009 From: xradioguy@yahoo.com (Ari Alpert) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:49:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> <670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It's just a matter of time before "Internet radio" becomes prevalent in automobiles. Maybe this will be the year? Internet radio would seemingly be competition that is unregulated and unstoppable for the terrestrial (and satellite) radio industry. There is just something about the terrestrial radio medium that I love but Jack Benny isn't coming back. Perhaps I need to find a way to embrace the Phoenix of Internet radio that may be born from the ashes of terrestrial radio. Being creative on terrestrial radio does not require much investment but the consultants will never allow this type of risky experiment to happen. There are those out there that would practically volunteer. It seems that terrestrial radio has one and only one advantage over other mediums and that's being local. Naturally that's the thing the owners cut first. It's a shining example of next quarter's profits trumping long-term viability in yet another industry. I'll always reminisce about tuning into WABC, WLS, and even 14Q in the evenings of my youth. It's just not as much fun to DX on the Internet. -Ari ________________________________ From: Maureen Carney To: Kevin Vahey ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 9:43:32 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais You can mandate AM/FM tuners in cars but you can't make people listen to them. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:05:06 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais I *thought* Congress finally mandated that all radios over a certain price level had to carry both bands to force the Detroit automakers to offer dual band radios. Apparently I am mistaken. They forced radio manufacturers to offer the extended band on AM. Looks like the NAB doesn't know how to lobby Congress. From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 10:52:55 2009 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: Letting everything crash and starting all over again ... In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003c01c96dbb$582e21a0$088a64e0$@net> The comments about the debt issues and corporate control are why I'm against all these bailouts. The simple fact is that most of these media companies made extremely bad decisions. While the shareholder is feeling the pain, workers and listeners are getting the brunt of the pain. I say, Let them all fall apart and let new people come in with hard work, ingenuity, new products, etc. If radio networks are losing everything, let them file for bankruptcy and the fed can have a fire sale on the signals. Newspapers are a bit different. Anyone can start one up and they are all over the place. Some are 'net based others do print too. But there is no reason why employees and listeners should be bearing the brunt of all of this nonsense. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Jan 3 11:07:54 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:07:54 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495f8d72.9e03be0a.1b5f.2d9d@mx.google.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >If this list had existed in my college days there would have been >fierce debate over the future of FM over AM. Now I wonder if AM wil >even exist a decade from now. Purely hypothetical of course, but what if on-line discussion boards & lists had existed, say 40 years ago? What would have been the tone of discussion? Certainly the rise of tightly-formatted Drake radio would have led to much weeping and gnashing of teeth about how radio was being "ruined". Indeed, it took WRKO only 6 months to force major changes at WBZ, and drove them out of the Top 40 format in less than a year. "Personality radio is dead", "they're just robots reading liner cards", "the same 40 songs over and over", etc. etc. etc. But Al Gore was still in high school and the internet was decades away so life went on. WBZ found success with a mix of MOR music & talk, WMEX ditched the whole, dated "goodguys radio" thing and held on for a number of years playin' the hits. With instant communication fueled by a small number of people who are afraid the sky will fall if an old institution needs to re-invent itself is it any wonder there's so much gloom & doom? >I think the biggest problem today is the lack of creativity on media. >When there were only 3-4 TV stations and a handful of AM signals you >HAD to be good. That is becoming less of a factor today. Not quite sure I get what you're trying to say. It seems to me the opposite would be true...with only a handful of media outlets you had a pretty captive audience. You could afford to be all over the place formatically because where else would your audience go? These days with so many more choices you have to define an audience and super-serve it. What do you think would happen to Kiss 108's audience if they added a news/talk block from 6-8pm like WBZ had in the 60s? From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 11:25:44 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:25:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> Message-ID: At 12:45 AM -0500 1/3/09, Dick Summer wrote: >There's a lot of everything out there...except...one thing. There's >nothing out there that cares. There's lots of music, lots of >information, lots of opinion, lots of explanation...but nothing that >cares. We cared. Dick Yes, you certainly did. Unfortunately it seems they threw out the mold after they made you! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 11:29:13 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:29:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 11:46 PM -0600 1/2/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >I am also surprised that the FCC allowed just FM tuners to be sold. >You now have untold millions that don't even have an AM tuner. > I don't think there really are millions of FM only tuners out there. The only one I know of was the Carver TX-11, subsequent Carver models had AM stereo included. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 11:35:21 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:35:21 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: At 2:38 AM -0500 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: > >If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has >been for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station >was a landmark at night. But doesn't all news have a very small audience at night? And as others have said here, listening beyond the local market contributes little or nothing to the bottom line. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 3 11:35:32 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:35:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> <670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495F93D4.5090709@ttlc.net> Ari Alpert wrote: > It's a shining example of next quarter's profits trumping long-term viability in yet another industry. > To be fair, big business isn't the only haven for short-sightedness. Many people make the same kinds of financial mistakes in their day-to-day personal lives: 1. Buying the cheaper ink cartridge for 2/3 the cost, but only half the ink. Costs less today, but, in the long run, they pay 33% more. 2. Buying a car based solely on monthly payment without regard for the ultimate cost of the car after making 5 years of payments. 3. Payday Loans, anybody? From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 11:43:16 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:43:16 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <0DF7DD4796414A76B1CDCB651945BB40@SatU205S5044> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> <0DF7DD4796414A76B1CDCB651945BB40@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 8:28 AM -0500 1/3/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >If I'm not mistaken, 1500 in DC is now WFED, news for government >employees. AFAIK, that was just an interim format, and they more recently switched to a mostly (or all) birdfed right-wing talk format. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 3 11:47:20 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:47:20 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I don't think there really are millions of FM only tuners out there. > The only one I know of was the Carver TX-11, subsequent Carver models > had AM stereo included. Many portable media players have FM-only tuners in them. How exactly you'd make an AM tuner work in that form factor and RF environment is left as an exercise. -GAWollman From dick@dicksummer.com Sat Jan 3 11:57:34 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:57:34 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com><18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com><670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <689B965553254C38A3FE57A18568AFAD@DickPC2> No reason why internet radio can't be local. ( www.brandywineradio.com ) And being local isn't the point. Being interesting is the point. Or it was anyway. Dick summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Alpert" To: "Maureen Carney" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > It's just a matter of time before "Internet radio" becomes prevalent in > automobiles. Maybe this will be the year? Internet radio would seemingly > be competition that is unregulated and unstoppable for the terrestrial > (and satellite) radio industry. There is just something about the > terrestrial radio medium that I love but Jack Benny isn't coming back. > Perhaps I need to find a way to embrace the Phoenix of Internet radio that > may be born from the ashes of terrestrial radio. > > Being creative on terrestrial radio does not require much investment but > the consultants will never allow this type of risky experiment to happen. > There are those out there that would practically volunteer. It seems that > terrestrial radio has one and only one advantage over other mediums and > that's being local. Naturally that's the thing the owners cut first. It's > a shining example of next quarter's profits trumping long-term viability > in yet another industry. > > I'll always reminisce about tuning into WABC, WLS, and even 14Q in the > evenings of my youth. It's just not as much fun to DX on the Internet. > > -Ari > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maureen Carney > To: Kevin Vahey ; Boston Radio Group > > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 9:43:32 AM > Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > You can mandate AM/FM tuners in cars but you can't make people listen to > them. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:05:06 AM > Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > > I *thought* Congress finally mandated that all radios over a certain > price level had to carry both bands to force the Detroit automakers to > offer dual band radios. Apparently I am mistaken. > > They forced radio manufacturers to offer the extended band on AM. > > Looks like the NAB doesn't know how to lobby Congress. > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 12:49:32 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:49:32 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <689B965553254C38A3FE57A18568AFAD@DickPC2> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> <670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <689B965553254C38A3FE57A18568AFAD@DickPC2> Message-ID: <4fc429770901030949k79ad4fe0xf4226bc9678a6a0b@mail.gmail.com> On a side note a few months ago I was watching TV with a friend who has never been to Boston. A commercial came on for a law firm and she said 'wow that sounds like a guy I used to listen to at night in Milwaukee, Dick Summer.' and indeed it was Dick doing the voiceover. For us older types we have watched local TV become news and nothing else. The kids today will have no memories like we had of Bozo, Major Mudd, Bob Emery and Rex Trailer. WCVB should be congratulated for keeping Chronicle afloat. 100 years ago the horse and buggy industry was huge and then vanished almost overnight. Sadly we watching the same thing happen to radio. From atolz@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 13:00:47 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:00:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: There's a proportional relationship between the prices of broadcast properties (as a multiple of 12 month trailing cash fow) and the willingness of lenders to allow reasonable leverage to those prospective buyers who wish to fund their acquisitions with a combination of debt and equity. There won't really be a "market price" for stations until credit at reasonable terms is readily available. Today, you're hard pressed to find a lender that will lend at more than 3 times historical 12 month cash flow. That creates an inability to invest in a stick, buy a station at more than 6x trailing cash flow (assuming you are willing to raise half the money from outside investors), or make any substantive investments in people since any hiccup in revenues would push you out of compliance with your lender. The low-interest rate environment doesn't help if you can't borrow at a reasonable (4-5x) multiple of EBITDA. The operators best positioned to take advantage of this environment are those who own their facilities debt-free and are able to use the free cash from their operations to invest in internet initiatives and talented broadcasters and management personnel. Though not many are left, having cashed out in the first round of consolidation (1996-2000). Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Howard Glazer" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > On Jan 2, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: >> >> If the selling prices dip low enough, I'd expect the stations unloaded >> by >> the big corporate chains to go to the bottom-feeder chains rather than >> mom-and-pop local ownership, with programming being dollar-a-holler >> religion >> or ethnic. It would be odd to hear that kind of programming on FM, >> that's >> for sure, but if there's nobody out there interested in doing "real >> radio" -- or advertising on it -- what else could the future be? > > There's no evidence that radio has lost its value for advertisers or > listeners. Cume ratings are almost as strong as ever. Quarter-hour > numbers are down but nowhere near as much as the audience for newspapers, > local TV news, or network prime time. I think people who would buy FM's > and a huge AM like WBZ would take advantage of these audiences with good > proven programming and some innovations. The bottom feeders gravitate > toward weak AM signals and daytimers. > > We're likely to see bankruptcies for the penny-stock, debt-laden > corporations that gobbled up local radio in the 90's. With lower prices > and new lending policies, the new owners won't be spending half their > cash flow on debt service, and they'll have something left over for a > programming budget. > > Newspapers can be resurrected too with lower sales prices and > bankruptcies for the high-debt chains. Even with circulation losses, 50 > million papers a day are sold in the US, over a half million between the > Globe and the Herald. With less debt and a clean slate, there will be > room for new publishers, just like there was room in the 1980's for USA > Today to rise to the top out of nowhere. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 13:39:53 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:39:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <6AC5AF796A7B45A2A448ED4161A4EFFB@MainXPPro> >> >>If you're thinking of WTOP, that is completely off AM now, and has been >>for a few years. I can't fathom why they left AM: the station was a >>landmark at night. > > But doesn't all news have a very small audience at night? Very true. For news stations that continue the news format into the night....it's their lowest rated daypart. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 13:37:40 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:37:40 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com><18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com><670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > It's just a matter of time before "Internet radio" becomes prevalent in > automobiles. Maybe this will be the year? While this is probably what we are heading for...it's a lonnnnng way off. The public does not care or think enough about radio to be thinking about internet radios. The public has shown they are not thrilled about paying a fee for another thing that used to be free. The public will not put up with it if is not reliable. And given the amount of dropped calls we all experience on our cell phones, it will be a long time before there is a consistant signal over a market that you can pick up almost anywhere. > Internet radio would seemingly be competition that is unregulated and > unstoppable for the terrestrial (and satellite) radio industry. The content may be unregulated, but the wi-fi/wi-max signals definitely are. I remember when I thought cable TV was a private business not using the public spectrum, so the FCC wouldn't have any jurisdiction. SOmehow the FCC weasels it way into evberything. And with the current restrictions on music royalties, there are many stations that might not be able to afford top play music, unless you have a reasonable business plan. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 3 14:47:10 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: If CBS AMs dropped IBOC... Message-ID: <714C7C1DE4D140708838FDC30F39BF33@SatU205S5044> Could they save enough on royalty payments to iBiquity to pay the salaries of the people they axed for overnights at WBZ, WCCO, et al? I don't know the answer and I'm gathering it's irrelvant--seems as though the guy whose show will appear during the overnights is a chum of the CBS suit who made the decision to axe the local talent. But it still would be interesting to know. The KMOX guy, Jon Grayson, who apparently is going to host the syndicated show, posted on the radio-info.com Boston board. We'll have to wait to hear what his show is like but is anyone else old enough to remember the Nightcap show that originated at KSL in the '50s and was heard nationally (originally, IIRC, on a handful of Class IA AMs and eventually on the Mutual network). I don't remember much about Nightcap except that I thought it was insiped and I didn't listen much. Grayson's short post has a similar flavor. Too early to draw any real conclusions, though. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From mward@iname.com Sat Jan 3 16:20:48 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:20:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <495F15E9.2090004@gabrielmass.com> <0DF7DD4796414A76B1CDCB651945BB40@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <495FD6B0.2040108@iname.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 8:28 AM -0500 1/3/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken, 1500 in DC is now WFED, news for government >> employees. > > AFAIK, that was just an interim format, and they more recently switched to a mostly (or all) birdfed right-wing talk format. Nope, 1500 is still the government-news formatted WFED "Federal News Radio". You're possibly thinking of the former "3WT", which took over after Washington Post Radio died out. It wasn't all conservative - among the hosts on its schedule was Jones/Dial Global midday liberal host Stephanie Miller. The former home of WFED, 1050/Silver Spring MD, is - oddly enough - the new keeper of the WTOP(AM) calls, simulcasting 103.5. But all the Bonneville AMs are shuttling or simulcasting various sports play-by-play among them. From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 3 16:44:17 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:44:17 -0500 Subject: If CBS AMs dropped IBOC... In-Reply-To: <714C7C1DE4D140708838FDC30F39BF33@SatU205S5044> References: <714C7C1DE4D140708838FDC30F39BF33@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F008@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Could they save enough on royalty payments to iBiquity to pay the salaries of the people they axed for overnights at WBZ, WCCO, et al?<< Since there are no recurring fees for AMs (each station pays a one-time fee of $25,000 per HD main channel), the answer would be no. Even if an FM were involved, and that FM did multicasting, the fees due to iBiquity (3% of incremental net revenue with a minimum of $1000 per audio channel) still wouldn't offset the costs of a salary and benefits. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 18:01:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:01:01 -0600 Subject: Nightcap Message-ID: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> I stumbled across Nightcap one night around 1974. At that time it was heard on 3 stations WBAL Baltimore, WHAS Louisville and KSL Salt Lake City and those 3 stations covered the lower 48. Jepco would give a caller about 3 minutes and then cut them off with a musicbox sound he called Tinkerbell. It was bland. Around this time AT&T longlines lowered their sees for 24 hour service and CBS started doing overnight newscasts and Jepko wound up on Mutual. Jepko didn't last very long on Mutual (may have been illness) and they then went with Long John Nebel and his wife which was cleared in Boston by WITS. Long John also became ill ( may have died ) and was replaced by a fellow out of Miami named Larry King from WIOD. King caught fire unlike the others hosts and became must listen to radio in the late 70's. Then the floodgates opened and birdfeed became the rage. RKO Network may have been the first to offer full network satellite service by the bird and offered an all night music show out of NY hosted by Bob Dearborn. Then Bruce Williams showed up and soon everything after 7 PM seemed bird driven. The final straw was when Rush became the first successful bird show in the day and radio hasn't been the same since. I wish this new guy luck but he going to have to deal with angry listeners. One would think CBS learned their lesson after Rover. I guess not. From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Jan 3 18:44:30 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:44:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <17885138.1231026270336.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mark Watson wrote: > And with Steve Leveille out, I believe that leaves > only 2 live and local folks on the air weekday > overnights on Boston radio: Michael Burns on Magic > 106.7 and Albert O. on WROR. I believe both stations > also have live weekend overnight hosts as well. WMJX does, but not WROR. Weekend overnights on WROR seem to be jockless after Albert is done for the week. If you count announcing two short live breaks per hour during satellite fed programming, there's also myself or Charlie Kohlhase overnights on WBUR (plus the Con Salsa show hosted live by Jose Masso Saturday nights). WATD in Marshfield has live (albeit unpaid) overnight hosts, and so do many volunteer college stations that don't have to worry about payroll. EP From dick@dicksummer.com Sat Jan 3 18:50:02 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:50:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> Message-ID: <66B12D4783FE4DF2A85A91BC0E166BEC@DickPC2> Thanks Larry. IT was good. Dick summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Dick Summer" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > At 12:45 AM -0500 1/3/09, Dick Summer wrote: >>There's a lot of everything out there...except...one thing. There's >>nothing out there that cares. There's lots of music, lots of information, >>lots of opinion, lots of explanation...but nothing that cares. We cared. >>Dick > > Yes, you certainly did. Unfortunately it seems they threw out the mold > after they made you! > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From dick@dicksummer.com Sat Jan 3 18:53:44 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:53:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901030949k79ad4fe0xf4226bc9678a6a0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022146s628b6478wb5b18ad6828a71d1@mail.gmail.com> <18782.64935.116145.788976@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901022205m4839d04cwe97a1512efb2b0fe@mail.gmail.com> <670235.21212.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <689B965553254C38A3FE57A18568AFAD@DickPC2> <4fc429770901030949k79ad4fe0xf4226bc9678a6a0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443564FDC5BE4E339BB70540BF7F6F4F@DickPC2> Thanks Kevin. I'm having fun doing the weekly podcast at www.dicksummer.com/podcast/latest. I'll be streaming the website soon, and I'm considering contacting the guys CBS just let go to join the fun. There's some pretty heavy duty talent out there wandering around now wondering what hit them. There's no money in it for now, but money isn't the only reason guys do radio...as you very well know. Dick Summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dick Summer" Cc: "Ari Alpert" ; "Maureen Carney" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > On a side note a few months ago I was watching TV with a friend who > has never been to Boston. A commercial came on for a law firm and she > said 'wow that sounds like a guy I used to listen to at night in > Milwaukee, Dick Summer.' > > and indeed it was Dick doing the voiceover. > > For us older types we have watched local TV become news and nothing > else. The kids today will have no memories like we had of Bozo, Major > Mudd, Bob Emery and Rex Trailer. WCVB should be congratulated for > keeping Chronicle afloat. > > 100 years ago the horse and buggy industry was huge and then vanished > almost overnight. Sadly we watching the same thing happen to radio. > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 19:09:56 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:09:56 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 06:01 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I stumbled across Nightcap one night around 1974. At that time it was >heard on 3 stations WBAL Baltimore, WHAS Louisville and KSL Salt Lake >City and those 3 stations covered the lower 48. I wrote about Herb Jepko and the Nitecaps show in my new book. There is also a tribute website to him here. www.nitecaps.net He was the first nationally, satellite syndicated talker. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 19:12:47 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:12:47 -0500 Subject: Nightcap Message-ID: <20090104001259.0B8E11D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> The story of why Herb Jepko didn't last long on Mutual is one of politics (not rightie/leftie, but one of company politics) and a few other things, health among them. I'd be happy to discuss it, but off-list. I wrote a piece about his career for Radio World a few months ago. http://www.rwonline.com/article/64910 From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 19:42:55 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:42:55 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> I know by the time King took over only 28 stations cleared overnight including WITS-1510. When exactly did Mutual become distributed by satellite alone? I remember they bought WCFL in Chicago around 1980 to be the flagship and they called it lifestyle radio and in just a few months they had done the impossible getting a 0.1 for the entire day. Even though I seldom listened to him on WBAL I was impressed by the loyalty of his audience. While much different than Glick they shared the same audience of shutins, lonely people, truckers and the like. I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and listener. On 1/3/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 06:01 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>I stumbled across Nightcap one night around 1974. At that time it was >>heard on 3 stations WBAL Baltimore, WHAS Louisville and KSL Salt Lake >>City and those 3 stations covered the lower 48. > > I wrote about Herb Jepko and the Nitecaps show in my new book. There > is also a tribute website to him here. www.nitecaps.net He was the > first nationally, satellite syndicated talker. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 19:54:43 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:54:43 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090104005454.D0B611D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 07:42 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I know by the time King took over only 28 stations cleared overnight >including WITS-1510. > >When exactly did Mutual become distributed by satellite alone? I know that they put Herb's show up on the bird on 4 November 1975, and I believe this was their first one. They had no clue how to sell it, however, plus they wanted him to become more confrontational, and he refused. They cancelled the show on 29 May 1977, briefly replaced it with Long John Nebel (who was indeed very ill at that time and his wife ended up doing most of the shows) and by the time Larry King got the slot in January 1978, the network-- which was having financial trouble-- was trying to move more towards all-satellite. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 20:15:54 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:15:54 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <20090104005454.D0B611D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <20090104005454.D0B611D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031715t34d69573ucf08c728edc971ec@mail.gmail.com> Back in 1975 satellite dishes were a little bigger than they are now. I guess WITS must have installed it in Squantam at the TX. BZ first started using satellite remotes of road Celtics game arund then and the quality was amazing as it sounded clearer than phone lines from the Garden. From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jan 3 13:13:22 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:13:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090103181322.A908C1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Kevin Vahey" >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:47:55 -0500 >I don't think their sales staff is hungry enough yet. They seem to be >just coasting along on what few continuing local sponsors they have >(mostly car dealers) and national agency buys. I don't think if Mel >were still in charge that he'd let them get away with that. >-GAWollman Just before the news at noon today (Saturday 01/03), WBZ ran a TEN-SECOND spot for a furniture store that I think may have been Forum Furniture... can't be sure, they mentioned it just once, part of the problem...and then gave the location as "in Burlington". What a waste of time and money: no useful information actually got through. The firm needed a longer spot that mentioned the name more than once AND the physical address and maybe directions. Not all businesses in Burlington are at the Mall! But a sales weasel probably got a minuscule commission though. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jan 3 13:21:57 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:21:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090103182157.31AF632675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Billings" >To: Lou , "'Mark Laurence'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" >Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:50:03 -0500 >It's very tough. What businesses are going to buy ads to support a >local radio station? The retail sector, formerly a major supporter >of local radio, is now dominated by national chains and big box >stores. Few of those companies spend money on radio. >From what I've been reading Wal*Mart has completely flipped from NO radio advertising, to one of the leading advertisers on radio. For a while they even provided underwriting on NPR the network at least...that is until "Wait,Wait Don't Tell Me" absolutely flamed them (hilariously of course) one day: Wal*Mart was going to open a store I believe in Mexico near some ruins. Peter Segal commented that opening a Wal*Mart near ruins would actually detract from the value of the neighborhood! I haven't noticed any Wal*Mart underwriting messages since then; they'd probably like them back. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Jan 3 15:27:38 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:27:38 -0500 Subject: If CBS AMs dropped IBOC... Message-ID: <20090103202738.6809132675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: If CBS AMs dropped IBOC... >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:47:10 -0500 >I don't know the answer and I'm gathering it's irrelvant--seems as >though the guy whose show will appear during the overnights is a chum >of the CBS suit who made the decision to axe the local talent. But it >still would be interesting to know. >The KMOX guy, Jon Grayson, who apparently is going to host the >syndicated show, posted on the radio-info.com Boston board. We'll have >to wait to hear what his show is like but is anyone else old enough to >remember the Nightcap show that originated at KSL in the '50s and was >heard nationally. >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >eFax 1-707-215-6367 I saw that posting too and I was totally amazed. Here's a guy from the midwest checking the radio scene in Boston AND posting to a board read by denizens of the area. I think that's a good sign, so I may check out his show from time to time if I'm awake then. BTW, WBZ was NOT running IBOC this morning (Saturday) so I was able to pick up WCNL-AM 1010 up in the Sunapee, NH area (WCMX-AM 1000 in Leominster is STILL off-the-air). -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jan 3 20:26:31 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:26:31 -0500 Subject: Early Birdfeed (Was: Nightcap) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103201612.03939f58@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:01 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >RKO Network >may have been the first to offer full network satellite service by the >bird and offered an all night music show out of NY hosted by Bob >Dearborn. I don't think they offered 24/7 birdfeed in 1981, but "NightTime America with Bob Dearborn" was the first live, daily music program delivered by satellite. I became CE at WWOK, Columbia, NC, some time after that, where we carried Dearborn and Dick Bartley's "Solid Gold Saturday Night." Bob set aside part of one hour each night to spend on the phone with an affiliate. Since we were attended 24/7 the best time for me to do PM on the automation system (an IGM 770) was during Bob's show, and a few times when I was in for that purpose I was the affiliate who got through and got to talk to Bob for about 15 minutes. That was a great pleasure. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2THy0tU8k2rh8cfUOHP5ZLpGb95SJa3bP3WqjbELHtmpLHg/ From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 21:01:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:01:39 -0600 Subject: Jon Grayson Message-ID: <4fc429770901031801y55c07904h4e1229390a12d3e6@mail.gmail.com> I thought the name was familiar. Jon Grayson was a producer at WFLA Tampa for both Lionel and Jay Marvin when they were based there. Went behind the mike and spent a few years in Nashville and now St Louis. Obviously CBS thinks enough of him to push him national and it is easier to sell the shows to affilates when you tell them what big outlets he is on. I have my doubts of what plays in Missouri will work here but it is what it is. From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 3 21:11:18 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:11:18 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and listener.<< Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 21:15:26 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:15:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <006801c96e12$4f795c30$0302a8c0@Mark> Pat Desmarais and Lovell Dyett have been replaced by Kim Kommando. Not sure if the show started at 7 or not, as I tuned in on the car radio seconds before 8 and caught the end of a spot, then the top of hour ID into CBS News. At :03 a generic "Traffic on the 3's" intro, sounded like it was voiced by Gary LaPierre, the live traffic update, a couple of spots, a local headline update (possibly recorded) from Rod Fritz, then Accu Weather, and then Kim, which BTW is a best of show this week, she's away till next weekend. Off went the radio. I'm sure my radio wasn't the only one that went off. Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 21:17:39 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:17:39 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> One place I worked, you were told you wer egoing to be let go right before your last air shift and were VERY CLEARLY instructed to NOT say ANYTHING to your listeners about this being your last shift.. you were told to go on as if it were a normal shift. The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. Paul On 1/3/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it > was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and > for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that > ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and > listener.<< > > > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the > dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege > (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:33:44 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:33:44 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <146A6E05A49143BE8E4FA59D23EA54CD@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Nightcap > One place I worked, you were told you wer egoing to be let go right before > your last air shift and were VERY CLEARLY instructed to NOT say ANYTHING > to > your listeners about this being your last shift.. you were told to go on > as > if it were a normal shift. > > The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove > it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would > play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. My favorite good-bye song was Jimmy Buffett's "Let's Get Drunk (and screw)." Jeff Dunham played it when he left the afternoon drive shift at WAYU in 1986. I picked it up and used it to say good bye three or four times. Once, when I played it when leaving from one of my several tenures at WCLZ, Brian Phoenix announced at a staff meeting that I would never work at the station again. He hired me back a few years later. I resisted pointing out his earlier proclamation. When I worked for Chuck Igo at WIDE, I left a letter of resignation after my show one day. On my way in to work the next day, I leared that my two-week notice had become an immediate resignation when I heard on the air that someone else was going to be doing my shift that day. (They paid me through that week plus my earned vacation time so I have no complaints.) So after picking up my stuff, on my way home, I stopped in at WPOR, where I had also been doing a weekend shift to tell the PD, Tom Hennessey, that I was available for fill-in shifts. Tom said "I'm kind of busy today, why don't you do my air shift." So I left my home that morning thinking I was going to be doing the afternoon shift at WIDE and I ended up doing the afternoon shift at WPOR. Weird day. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:34:51 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:34:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <006801c96e12$4f795c30$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <006801c96e12$4f795c30$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <635B71EE483746868EA5CA99B5CF1139@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > Pat Desmarais and Lovell Dyett have been replaced by Kim Kommando. Her show is on a bunch of stations in New England. I bet some of them won't be happy it is now also on WBZ. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 3 21:37:31 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:37:31 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia article. Are there any other audio clips of notorious departures on-line? --RC From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 21:42:06 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:42:06 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901031842n432339cen77f831c01b79219a@mail.gmail.com> I resigned live on the air once, with the station ownership having no idea.. but it was done in a very tactful, very respectful manner. I basically said that although there were many differences among the staff and we had some squabbles, I appreciated everyone and learned alot and would be forever greatful. Paul Walker On 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: > > Sid Schweiger wrote: > > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the >> dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege >> (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. >> > > I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia article. Are > there any other audio clips of notorious departures on-line? > > --RC > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:43:46 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:43:46 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> I loved how King would interview a guest for an hour and then take calls with the guest for two more hours. Can you imagine that happening today? Is it just my imagination or did King used to be a lot better than he is now on CNN? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 21:46:04 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:46:04 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> Well I don't think Steve would have announced 'Paul is Dead' on his last show. Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. Jack Hynes was very bitter at the Chicago Tribune on WLVI's last night as a stand alone station. Still anybody who knows Steve would not have to worry about how he would have handled it. Funny thing about Robie's implosion on WABC was how in a world without cell phones, instant messages or email it seemed like every college student in Boston was glued to WABC within an hour. I was in my car near BU with my mouth open wondering how long it wold continue. On 1/3/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it > was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and > for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that > ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and > listener.<< > > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the > dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege > (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 21:52:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:52:33 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> He didn't know it was his swan song at the time but Bob Dayton on WABC said Happy Birthday to the 20th anniversary of the atomic bomb by playing 16 Candles. He vanished never to be heard from again. clip is on musicradio77.com On 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: > Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the >> dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege >> (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. > > I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia article. > Are there any other audio clips of notorious departures on-line? > > --RC > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:53:36 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:53:36 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Sid Schweiger" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Nightcap > Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have > been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. Why was it ugly? > Funny thing about Robie's implosion on WABC was how in a world without > cell phones, instant messages or email it seemed like every college > student in Boston was glued to WABC within an hour. I was in my car > near BU with my mouth open wondering how long it wold continue. Can you describe the sign off? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 21:53:48 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:53:48 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 09:46 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Well I don't think Steve would have announced 'Paul is Dead' on his last show. > >Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have >been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. ooo, I was out of town last weekend-- what did Tom say and is it posted anywhere? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 21:54:48 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:54:48 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> King was a lot younger then and today he no longer has to hustle. King in the early 80's was as good as it gets. On 1/3/09, Dan Billings wrote: > I loved how King would interview a guest for an hour and then take calls > with the guest for two more hours. Can you imagine that happening today? > > Is it just my imagination or did King used to be a lot better than he is now > on CNN? > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:56:43 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:56:43 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: "Donna Halper" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Howard Glazer" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Nightcap > King was a lot younger then and today he no longer has to hustle. > > King in the early 80's was as good as it gets. I'm glad you agree with my memory of him. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 3 21:56:58 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:56:58 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Richard Chonak" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Nightcap > He didn't know it was his swan song at the time but Bob Dayton on WABC > said Happy Birthday to the 20th anniversary of the atomic bomb by > playing 16 Candles. He vanished never to be heard from again. > > clip is on musicradio77.com Why is that so offensive? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 3 22:01:20 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:01:20 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 09:56 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin wrote: >>King in the early 80's was as good as it gets. These days, after over 40,000 interviews, 3 heart surgeries and 7 (some sources say 8) marriages, I'm amazed he can still do his show at all. From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 22:05:32 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:05:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <635B71EE483746868EA5CA99B5CF1139@DanBillingsPC> References: <006801c96e12$4f795c30$0302a8c0@Mark> <635B71EE483746868EA5CA99B5CF1139@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901031905l2ee8c180x6e45315987ce9eec@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, Komando's show starts at 06:30 past the hour, on a typical format clock. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 22:05:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:05:56 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031905y62821299x1a4b6b5d60a94068@mail.gmail.com> By todays standards it was tame but in 65 it struck a raw nerve. Perhaps WABC did not want to offend Japenese advertisers. He was fired instantly which makes me think he told management in advance and was told no and did it anyways. On 1/3/09, Dan Billings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Richard Chonak" ; "(newsgroup) > Boston-Radio-Interest" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: Nightcap > > >> He didn't know it was his swan song at the time but Bob Dayton on WABC >> said Happy Birthday to the 20th anniversary of the atomic bomb by >> playing 16 Candles. He vanished never to be heard from again. >> >> clip is on musicradio77.com > > Why is that so offensive? > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 22:08:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:08:46 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031908p2895767ehff8caa70bfd50c5f@mail.gmail.com> It was on You Tube but has been pulled. He was very, very bitter about being cast aside like an old texas mule after giving 16 years to NECN. On 1/3/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 09:46 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Well I don't think Steve would have announced 'Paul is Dead' on his last >> show. >> >>Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have >>been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. > > ooo, I was out of town last weekend-- what did Tom say and is it > posted anywhere? > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 22:25:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:25:46 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> I watched him work one night at Mutual's HQ in Crystal City, Virgina. Friend from WXPO was his boardman and then he was a real friendly guy and he took us out to breakfast after the show. A family friend was his announcer when he did Dolphins color and we swapped stories (Bob Gallager who did Patriots at one time ) I think it is fair to say Larry King and Jerry Williams were very much alike. Both Brooklyn bred and always hustling. On 1/3/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 09:56 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin wrote: > > >>>King in the early 80's was as good as it gets. > > These days, after over 40,000 interviews, 3 heart surgeries and 7 > (some sources say 8) marriages, I'm amazed he can still do his show at all. > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 3 23:08:31 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:08:31 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031905y62821299x1a4b6b5d60a94068@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031905y62821299x1a4b6b5d60a94068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4960363F.9040302@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > By todays standards it was tame but in 65 it struck a raw nerve. > Perhaps WABC did not want to offend Japenese advertisers. He was fired > instantly which makes me think he told management in advance and was > told no and did it anyways. The story on musicradio77 is that the manager's wife happened to hear it while she was receiving a group of women who had suffered burns from the bomb drop. --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 3 23:12:22 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:12:22 -0500 Subject: Nightcap References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC><4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com><07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC><20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> King used to boast--and perhaps still does--that he NEVER read an author's book before interviewing him/her on the air. I had not heard that boast when, sometime in the '80s, IIRC, King interviewed either Steve Jobs or one-time Apple Computer CEO John Sculley, who had just written a memoir or autobiography that dealt with the rather tempestutous growth of Apple. The details of the bizarre phase of Apple's history are unclear in my mind but, IIRC, one of the two (Jobs or Scully, that is) had hired the other at Apple, then left Apple, was RE-hired by the guy who had hired him the previous time, and then wound up firing the guy who had hired him twice. (If that's incorrect--which it may well be--someone who remembers that phase of Apple's history will correct me.) Scully came to Apple from a high-level job at Pepsico (he might even have been CEO of Pepsico) and his ability to--seemingly--familiarize himself with the unfamiliar technology was regarded by many as quite remarkable. Anyhow, King was completely oblivious to this bizarre history when he did the on-air interview and, because he had never read the book whose author he was interviewing, he was completely blindsided. I thought he made a total ass of himself on national network radio. I would have thought that this embarassing incident would have drawn more media attention (an opportunity to discredit a competitor) but it died, apparently without doing King much, if any, harm. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Nightcap >I watched him work one night at Mutual's HQ in Crystal City, Virgina. > Friend from WXPO was his boardman and then he was a real friendly > guy > and he took us out to breakfast after the show. > > A family friend was his announcer when he did Dolphins color and we > swapped stories (Bob Gallager who did Patriots at one time ) > > I think it is fair to say Larry King and Jerry Williams were very > much > alike. Both Brooklyn bred and always hustling. > > > > On 1/3/09, Donna Halper wrote: >> At 09:56 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin wrote: >> >> >>>>King in the early 80's was as good as it gets. >> >> These days, after over 40,000 interviews, 3 heart surgeries and 7 >> (some sources say 8) marriages, I'm amazed he can still do his show >> at all. >> >> From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 3 23:15:37 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:15:37 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <496037E9.4070204@gabrielmass.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 09:46 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have >> been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. > > ooo, I was out of town last weekend-- what did Tom say and is it posted > anywhere? > First, he vented to the Globe: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/12/23/necn_cuts_veteran_anchor_tom_ellis/ This celebrity column describes his sign-off as "emotional" but doesn't indicate any on-air complaints: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/12/30/reed_freed_up/ -- --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 23:22:17 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:22:17 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770901032022q554ab341yba5ace5b5505441a@mail.gmail.com> King was very upfront about his policy. He wanted authors to explain why he or his listeners should buy the book. Granted it was a lazy approach but it usually went well. Steve Fredricks on WMEX would drive authors crazy when he would tell listeners to pick up the book at your local library. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 3 23:31:19 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:31:19 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032022q554ab341yba5ace5b5505441a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770901032022q554ab341yba5ace5b5505441a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18784.15255.498200.372319@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > King was very upfront about his policy. He wanted authors to explain > why he or his listeners should buy the book. Granted it was a lazy > approach but it usually went well. That's a pretty reasonable way to do it. An author's job on tour is to sell the book, and if they can't express what it's about in a way that makes people want to buy it, their publisher shouldn't have put them up to it. King certainly never claimed -- to my knowledge anyway -- to be a literary critic. The standard for giving someone a free opportunity to plug their product are and should be rather different from the standards for what purports to be serious commentary. -GAWollman From pjries@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 21:42:43 2009 From: pjries@gmail.com (Pamela Riesmeyer) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:42:43 -0600 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> Long-time lurker here - just chiming in to say that no matter how it's sliced, it's no fun. Granted, this was an extraordinary circumstance, but many of us knew we were gone at WMAQ a good six months before the final day. Those of us who were not getting jobs at WBBM, were asked to talk for weeks on the air about how wonderful the news "dream team" was going to be when those who were getting jobs joined NewsRadio 780, and how great it was going to be for listeners. Those were not fun times. We did get to say goodbye, on that last day, though, and I think just about everyone held it together pretty well. (I also worked in Boston at WHDH radio for about 4 years in the early 1980's and I really enjoy reading your posts about the city and the people I remember) Back to lurking... Pam Riesmeyer At 08:17 PM 1/3/2009, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >One place I worked, you were told you wer egoing to be let go right before >your last air shift and were VERY CLEARLY instructed to NOT say ANYTHING to >your listeners about this being your last shift.. you were told to go on as >if it were a normal shift. > >The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove >it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would >play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. > >Paul > > >On 1/3/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > > > >>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it > > was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and > > for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that > > ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and > > listener.<< > > > > > > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the > > dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege > > (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. > > > > > > Sid Schweiger > > IT Manager, Entercom New England > > > > Pamela Riesmeyer Wings of Mercury Web Designs http://www.wingsofmercury.com (219) 322 2396 From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Jan 3 22:44:24 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:44:24 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901031905l2ee8c180x6e45315987ce9eec@mail.gmail.co m> References: <006801c96e12$4f795c30$0302a8c0@Mark> <635B71EE483746868EA5CA99B5CF1139@DanBillingsPC> <7bded94e0901031905l2ee8c180x6e45315987ce9eec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103223132.0390def0@plymouthcolony.net> At 10:05 PM 1/3/2009, Blaine Thompson wrote: >FWIW, Komando's show starts at 06:30 past the hour, on a typical format clock. Most talk shows start at xx:6:00, but WestStar shows (Komando and The Other Side) start at xx:6:30, and Westwood One shows vary - Jim Bohannon and Glenn Haege start at xx:6:40, while Jerry Baker starts at xx:6:05. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free info on Graduate Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2jyv7pZbMmTCiqK3XxCROH0Aki8nWd4dwjvQw5IdmA80Crk/ From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 23:34:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:34:39 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <496037E9.4070204@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <496037E9.4070204@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901032034p4f638f09rbed73ec6d18920ec@mail.gmail.com> The testy exchange came when sports guy Jimmy Young wished him well and Tom said it wasn't his idea to leave NECN and he was not retiring. Tom was never a Jack Hynes type and could never be called upon to make observations of things. He was (and is) a newsreader and at one time a very good one. In Steve's case many of his hardcore listeners are outside of Boston and not aware of what is going on. Taking down his website was just cold there is no other way to describe it. Sid we talking about an ownership group that let Stern rant and rave against them until the end. Of course Stern was still making big bucks for CBS so they looked the other way. As far as Bob Dayton is concerned I forgot about the wife entertaining victims of the bomb. Spouses of management had a lot of pull. The story goes that Mrs. William Paley made him sleep on the couch until he reversed the cancellation of Gunsmoke which was her favorite show. He did so with lightning speed. On 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: > Donna Halper wrote: >> At 09:46 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have >>> been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. >> >> ooo, I was out of town last weekend-- what did Tom say and is it posted >> anywhere? >> > > First, he vented to the Globe: > http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/12/23/necn_cuts_veteran_anchor_tom_ellis/ > > This celebrity column describes his sign-off as "emotional" but doesn't > indicate any on-air complaints: > http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/12/30/reed_freed_up/ > > -- > > --RC > From blainethompson@gmail.com Sat Jan 3 23:42:55 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:42:55 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye Message-ID: <7bded94e0901032042w3739bf7co72affd4f342cf2c1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Pamela Riesmeyer wrote: > Long-time lurker here - just chiming in to say that no matter how it's sliced, it's no fun. I remember her name on the old WMAQ (which I listened to, late at night, before discovering KYW, etc.) > We did get to say goodbye, on that last day, though, and I think just about everyone held it together pretty well. Somewhere, I have recordings of _most_ of the last day of WMAQ, and also have recordings of the "You give us 22 minutes, we'll give you the world" jingles, given to me by a former WMAQ-ite. Blaine Thompson (Fort Wayne, Indiana) From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 23:49:30 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:49:30 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <18784.15255.498200.372319@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770901032022q554ab341yba5ace5b5505441a@mail.gmail.com> <18784.15255.498200.372319@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901032049g2f3b2cc1nbd24d08d4da1d2d3@mail.gmail.com> I agree that it was a good policy and authors on a book tour should be able to explain the book. King occasionally would read a sports book in advance because he was a sports nut. I remember one night on Open Phone America a caller wanted to complain that Jingle Bells was not a Christmas Song and the next 2 hours was hysterical. I once called his CNN show when Ted Turner was on to complain how Warner Cable ( ironic isn't it ) would not clear TNT and I couldn't watch football. THERE WAS NO DELAY except for the satellite bounce and that stunned me. On 1/3/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> King was very upfront about his policy. He wanted authors to explain >> why he or his listeners should buy the book. Granted it was a lazy >> approach but it usually went well. > > That's a pretty reasonable way to do it. An author's job on tour is > to sell the book, and if they can't express what it's about in a way > that makes people want to buy it, their publisher shouldn't have put > them up to it. King certainly never claimed -- to my knowledge anyway > -- to be a literary critic. The standard for giving someone a free > opportunity to plug their product are and should be rather different > from the standards for what purports to be serious commentary. > > -GAWollman > > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 23:49:40 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:49:40 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: At 9:37 PM -0500 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: > >I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia >article. Are there any other audio clips of notorious departures >on-line? Which makes me suddenly remember the infamous toilet flush at the end of WHDH(AM)'s final broadcast. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 3 23:57:38 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:57:38 -0600 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> Pamela are still working in Chicago today? WMAQ was just caught in a perfect storm. Even though the Westinghouse news format was enjoyed by many the suits wanted to move WSCR to a better signal. The irony is that as well as CBS/Infinity has done with sports at WFAN and WIP the format has never caught in Chicago. Of course Mike North didn't help things. ( he now on Comcast Sports Net Chicago morning ) My media friends in Chicago say they are totally lost at what is happening in radio since Bob Feder retired from the Sun-Times. On 1/3/09, Pamela Riesmeyer wrote: > Long-time lurker here - just chiming in to say that no matter how > it's sliced, it's no fun. > > Granted, this was an extraordinary circumstance, but many of us knew > we were gone at WMAQ a good six months before the final day. Those of > us who were not getting jobs at WBBM, were asked to talk for weeks on > the air about how wonderful the news "dream team" was going to be > when those who were getting jobs joined NewsRadio 780, and how great > it was going to be for listeners. > > Those were not fun times. We did get to say goodbye, on that last > day, though, and I think just about everyone held it together pretty well. > > (I also worked in Boston at WHDH radio for about 4 years in the early > 1980's and I really enjoy reading your posts about the city and the > people I remember) > > Back to lurking... > > Pam Riesmeyer > > > > At 08:17 PM 1/3/2009, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >>One place I worked, you were told you wer egoing to be let go right before >>your last air shift and were VERY CLEARLY instructed to NOT say ANYTHING to >>your listeners about this being your last shift.. you were told to go on as >>if it were a normal shift. >> >>The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove >>it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would >>play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. >> >>Paul >> >> >>On 1/3/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> > >> > >>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it >> > was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and >> > for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that >> > ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and >> > listener.<< >> > >> > >> > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of >> > the >> > dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege >> > (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. >> > >> > >> > Sid Schweiger >> > IT Manager, Entercom New England >> > >> > > > Pamela Riesmeyer > Wings of Mercury Web Designs > http://www.wingsofmercury.com > (219) 322 2396 > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 00:42:16 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:42:16 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap Message-ID: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> The end of WHDH(AM) was one of the saddest days in Boston broadcast history. I remember Howie Carr doing a remote outside channel 7 giving away anything with a logo on it. I have always speculated on what the Boston broadcast landscape would look like today if the Herald-Traveler had won the fight to keep channel 5. It was an ugly case and it came down to the Globe and the Kennedy family doing everything that could to destroy the newspaper. Boston Broadcasters (BBI) talked a good game to the FCC and on paper looked like a deserving license holder. But as we found out a decade later it was all a sham for Metromedia to finally get the license. WCBV has been a good station since 1972 but the original WHDH-TV was also excellent. their news department was by far the best in the 60's. Had the Herald kept channel 5 it would have been the Record-American owned by Hearst that would have folded and the HT and the Globe would have slugged it out. Would the HT have cashed out later? We have no way of knowing. My best guess is they would have continued to be a smaller version of the Chicago Tribune and might still exist today. Carry it one step further and what would channel 7 be like today? My best guess is Mugar would have sold to Murdoch to give him a VHF outlet in Boston. Mugar found out it was impossible for a one station outlet to compete against chains and O&O's for strip programming which prompted the disaster called LOOK. ABC most likely would have wound up on a UHF outlet. Radio? The station flourished under Blair and their Stuart St studios were a showcase. But Blair cashed out and once Jess retired in 1991 HDH had lost its soul BUT you have to wonder if the station was still linked to channel 5 it would be as strong as ever today. Food for thought anyways. On 1/3/09, Larry Weil wrote: > At 9:37 PM -0500 1/3/09, Richard Chonak wrote: >> >>I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia >>article. Are there any other audio clips of notorious departures >>on-line? > > Which makes me suddenly remember the infamous toilet flush at the end > of WHDH(AM)'s final broadcast. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 4 01:12:22 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:12:22 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18784.21318.59953.856639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Boston Broadcasters (BBI) talked a good game to the FCC and on paper > looked like a deserving license holder. But as we found out a decade > later it was all a sham for Metromedia to finally get the license. Huh? Evidence? -GAWollman From blainethompson@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 00:02:11 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:02:11 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > My media friends in Chicago say they are totally lost at what is > happening in radio since Bob Feder retired from the Sun-Times. ...As are people like me, who are trying to cover northwest Indiana media changes. Feder used to track them all (or if he did not know about it, he would credit my name in his column). :-) I know Lewis Lazare at the Sun-Times and Phil Rosenthal at the Tribune are trying to cover the beat, but nobody did it as well as Robert Feder. - Blaine From gjspatola@q.com Sun Jan 4 01:51:06 2009 From: gjspatola@q.com (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:51:06 -0800 Subject: News on FM Message-ID: Here in Seattle, about six months or so ago Bonneville's KIRO NewsTalk (710 AM) began simulcasting on 97.3 FM, which had been Oldies for 20 years or more. Then, beginning in October or thereabouts although still simulcasting, their IDs and promos began referring to the station as NewsTalk 97.3 Beginning in April, 710 AM will flip to SportsTalk and carry live play-by-play of Mariners and Seahawks games, and KIRO NewsTalk will be on FM 97.3 exclusively. In 1971, when I was in the air force stationed just outside Washington, DC, WAVA (Arlington, VA) was an all-news station on FM. Glenn From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 00:55:55 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:55:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75473.56216.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 1/3/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN > may have > been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. What happened? I knew Tom was leaving but hadn't heard/seen anything about an "ugly farewell." From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 4 01:56:30 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:56:30 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090104065642.68B421D9F30@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:02 AM 1/4/2009, Blaine Thompson wrote: >I know Lewis Lazare at the Sun-Times and Phil Rosenthal at the Tribune >are trying to cover the beat, but nobody did it as well as Robert >Feder. Who covers it in Boston these days? For years, there were fulltime reporters like Bill Buchanan and Dean Johnson who focused on what was new in radio. Susan Bickelhaupt of the Globe wasn't always accurate, but at least she covered the beat. Then, gradually, the Globe cut back. Clea Simon did the radio reporting twice a week (she was kept as a part-time employee for ages) till October, and to my knowledge, there is nobody covering that beat now. The Herald does have Jessica Heslam doing the radio reporting, but she is very limited by the small number of words she is allotted for the column. Dean Johnson wrote a much longer and more in-depth column when he was still there. But I guess the newspapers in Boston don't feel that radio is that important any more. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 01:59:28 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <17885138.1231026270336.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17885138.1231026270336.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49601800.31946.8D71F5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jan 2009 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > WATD in Marshfield has live (albeit unpaid) overnight > hosts, and so do many volunteer college stations that > don't have to worry about payroll. How does WATD get unpaid volunteer overnight hosts? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 01:59:28 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer>, Message-ID: <49601800.3465.8D72BD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jan 2009 at 10:44, Mark Laurence wrote: > We're likely to see bankruptcies for the penny-stock, debt-laden > corporations that gobbled up local radio in the 90's. With lower > prices and new lending policies, the new owners won't be spending > half their cash flow on debt service, and they'll have something left > over for a programming budget. > > Newspapers can be resurrected too with lower sales prices and > bankruptcies for the high-debt chains. Even with circulation losses, > 50 million papers a day are sold in the US, over a half million > between the Globe and the Herald. With less debt and a clean slate, > there will be room for new publishers, just like there was room in > the 1980's for USA Today to rise to the top out of nowhere. Then the coservatives are right: the market will correct everything. Trouble is, it takes an awfully long time, and it hurts a lot of people along the way. I wouldn't mind if the people who made bad judgments and ran up the corporate debt were the only ones hurt, but they are often the ones who get away with their golden parachutes, while the masses lose homes and go hungry. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 01:59:28 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:28 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jan 2009 at 11:47, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Many portable media players have FM-only tuners in them. How exactly > you'd make an AM tuner work in that form factor and RF environment is > left as an exercise. Why is that any different from a Walkman or an old-style transistor radio? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 01:59:29 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:29 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49601801.2368.8D782D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jan 2009 at 23:42, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Had the Herald kept channel 5 it would have been the Record-American > owned by Hearst that would have folded and the HT and the Globe would > have slugged it out. That's not clear. The reason the HT folded was because it had been declining for years and was being supported by TV station revenue. If it had continued to decline, it still would have folded. > Radio? The station flourished under Blair and their Stuart St studios > were a showcase. But Blair cashed out and once Jess retired in 1991 > HDH had lost its soul BUT you have to wonder if the station was still > linked to channel 5 it would be as strong as ever today. Question whether it would have continued to be owned by the same company as channel 5 by now. In the upheavals caused by the early- 90s recession and the Telecommunications Act of 1996, I suspect the radio stations still would have been sold off. And I'm not sure the HT would have survived in the changed political climate. It was a Republican paper, but it was the Republicanism of Dewey, Eisenhower, and Rockefeller nationally and Volpe, Sargent, and Brooke locally. Most Republicans that liberal have long since become Democrats. I wonder whether the HT would have supported Nixon when Watergate was raging. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 01:59:24 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:59:24 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <856454.87838.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496017FC.31459.8D64F8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Jan 2009 at 7:49, Ari Alpert wrote: > It's just a matter of time before "Internet radio" becomes prevalent > in automobiles. Maybe this will be the year? Internet radio would > seemingly be competition that is unregulated and unstoppable for the > terrestrial (and satellite) radio industry. There is just something > about the terrestrial radio medium that I love but Jack Benny isn't > coming back. Perhaps I need to find a way to embrace the Phoenix of > Internet radio that may be born from the ashes of terrestrial radio. Thanks to the Internet, Jack Benny already is back. http://www.jackbenny.org -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 02:03:29 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:03:29 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have always speculated on what the Boston broadcast landscape would > look like today if the Herald-Traveler had won the fight to keep > channel 5. It was an ugly case and it came down to the Globe and the > Kennedy family doing everything that could to destroy the newspaper. [snip] > Had the Herald kept channel 5 it would have been the Record-American > owned by Hearst that would have folded and the HT and the Globe would > have slugged it out. > > Would the HT have cashed out later? We have no way of knowing. My best > guess is they would have continued to be a smaller version of the > Chicago Tribune and might still exist today. It's hard to imagine that Boston would have ended up as the lone market in the country to support two full-market broadsheets into the 21st century. (I guess DC sort of fits the bill, but only because the Moonies are keeping the WashTimes afloat despite massive losses.) Would the H-T have done what Murdoch did with the Record-American-that-took-the-Herald-name and flipped it to tabloid to fill that niche in the market? (And am I correct in remembering that the Hearst Record-American, circa 1972, *was* a broadsheet?) It's more likely, I think, that the H-T would have remained a broadsheet, but within 10-15 years it would have succumbed to the same market forces that drove a whole slew of big-city second papers out of business in the eighties and early nineties - the Washington Star, the Cleveland Press, the LA Herald-Examiner, the Dallas Times-Herald, St. Louis Globe-Democrat, Buffalo Courier-Express, etc., all unable to make a go of it against bigger, stronger competition. The Globe was still strong enough at that point that it probably could have done what many of those other surviving papers did and bought out the competition to close it down. (Though I suppose you could speculate that the strength of the paper-TV-radio combination might have helped the H-T weather the 70s in a stronger position than the standalone Globe; there were certainly a few other two-paper cities where the paper that started the 70s in the #2 position - the Buffalo (Evening) News comes to mind - took advantage of labor problems and other management weaknesses to outlast their formerly-dominant rivals in turbulent times.) > Carry it one step further and what would channel 7 be like today? My > best guess is Mugar would have sold to Murdoch to give him a VHF > outlet in Boston. Mugar found out it was impossible for a one station > outlet to compete against chains and O&O's for strip programming which > prompted the disaster called LOOK. ABC most likely would have wound up > on a UHF outlet. Would it have been ABC on UHF...or CBS? Remember, Boston's 1972 TV earthquake put ABC on a strong performer in the market a few years before ABC finally hit full network respectability (and NBC fell into the dumpster) later in the decade. So if we're going to speculate that the arrival of Fox would have brought about some changes, I've got to wonder if the "arrival" of ABC a decade earlier would have changed things, too. In most markets that went through affiliation swaps in that 1977-78 era, it was the NBC station, typically the old-line, once-top-rated outlet in the market, that went with ABC. (Think WSB in Atlanta or WSOC in Charlotte.) But in Boston, given Westinghouse's long ties to NBC, that wasn't happening - so if we assume the 1972 CBS/ABC swap between 5 and 7 never happened, we'd have to wonder whether WHDH-TV 5 might have decided on its own a few years later to dump CBS for ABC, just as WPRI down in Providence and WTEN in Albany did. (Which is odd, actually, in retrospect, because CBS was an awfully strong network itself in the late seventies - but ABC was the hot new thing, just as Fox would be a couple of decades later.) In any event, it's not out of the question to imagine that when Rupert came calling in the 80s, he might have found exactly what he really did find - ABC on 5 and CBS on 7. But then, if Mugar wasn't selling WNEV to Murdoch in 1987 in real life, I don't see much in this scenario to change that, either. And if Murdoch REALLY wanted to be on VHF in Boston, the way things played out in real life, he could have - and probably should have - kept WCVB as part of his Metromedia purchase and ditched the Herald, rather than the reverse. (OK, I'll play THAT one out, too - if Murdoch had kept "Fox 5" and sold the paper, the Herald probably would have folded, 7 probably would have stayed where it was with CBS, and that would have sent ABC up to the UHF dial. Two of the UHF owners then had network-affiliation experience in other markets, Storer on 38 and Gannett on 56, and the existing news operation on 56 probably would have tipped ABC in that direction. Or would WMUR have taken advantage of loosening regulations to try to move into Boston as the ABC affiliate? Assuming WMUR had stayed put in New Hampshire, there would have been an even more interesting free-for-all a decade or so later when WBZ hooked up with CBS, with both NBC and ABC courting 7's affiliation.) > Radio? The station flourished under Blair and their Stuart St studios > were a showcase. But Blair cashed out and once Jess retired in 1991 > HDH had lost its soul BUT you have to wonder if the station was still > linked to channel 5 it would be as strong as ever today. Having a co-owned TV station and (if it had survived) newspaper certainly wouldn't have hurt HDH radio. On the FM side, one wonders whether WCOZ would have been given as much room of its own to flourish under what would presumably have been more hidebound newspaper ownership. What was 94.5 doing in 1972, before the breakup? One wonders, too, whether the additional news resources from the TV station and (maybe) newspaper might have allowed 850 to make the segue from full-service AC to talk ahead of the industry curve, perhaps beating WRKO to its 1981 flip, instead of the other way around? (And followed to its logical conclusion, would that have eventually landed WEEI and sports on 680?) > Food for thought anyways. That it is, especially late at night! From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 02:07:02 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:07:02 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49606016.1040804@fybush.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > I know Lewis Lazare at the Sun-Times and Phil Rosenthal at the Tribune > are trying to cover the beat, but nobody did it as well as Robert > Feder. Indeed, and the remarkable thing is that he hasn't surfaced anywhere else. The Tribune probably has no budget available to hire anyone, to be sure, but I rather expected by now that we'd see his byline in, say, Chicago Magazine or the Reader (their version of the Phoenix). I wonder if the buyout he took included some sort of noncompete - or if he's as burned out on the industry as the rest of us? s From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 02:09:30 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:09:30 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 3 Jan 2009 at 11:47, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Many portable media players have FM-only tuners in them. How exactly >> you'd make an AM tuner work in that form factor and RF environment is >> left as an exercise. > > Why is that any different from a Walkman or an old-style transistor > radio? Neither had a high-speed microprocessor (and all the RF hash it generates) at its core, as an iPod or its competitors do. Ever tried using that Walkman or old-style transistor radio on AM near a laptop computer? Noise city...at least in the vicinity of my laptop. s From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 3 22:15:46 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:15:46 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>> Funny thing about Robie's implosion on WABC was how in a world without > cell phones, instant messages or email it seemed like every college > student in Boston was glued to WABC within an hour. I was in my car > near BU with my mouth open wondering how long it wold continue. Can you describe the sign off?<< Roby had been hired by Rick Sklar to do a short (two-hour) midday shift, but before he got on the air even once (he had come from WQAM in Miami) he decided that snow skiing couldn't be that different from the water skiing he was used to. He showed up for his first air shift in a body cast, and according to Sklar it was downhill from there. When Sklar finally decided that it wasn't working out, he gave Roby two weeks' notice and had him give Charlie Greer (the overnight jock for many years, and the guy perhaps most famous for the iambic-pentameter live reads for "Dennison's, a men's clothier, Route 22, Union, New Jersey") a vacation. This was at the time of the famous "Paul is dead" rumor, and Roby, evidently deciding he had nothing to lose, seized on the rumor and destroyed the format by turning WABC's powerhouse nighttime signal into a talk format (way ahead of its time). Much of the US, South America and western Europe learned of the rumor that night from Roby's show, and hysterical teen-aged girls started calling the station and overloaded the ABC switchboard such that no one could get a call in or out of the company. Roby played all the so-called "clues" to Paul's demise and discussed them at length on the air. He took some calls from some college radio stations where some of their DJs had seized on some other clues as well. The overnight newsman managed to get a call out to Sklar. Rick called fill-in DJ Les Marshak, asking him to meet Rick in the ABC lobby. They went up to the sixth floor together with a security guard, put Les in studio 8B (auxiliary air) and had him put on the air, taking Roby off. On the air Roby's voice just disappeared into a segue of three or four songs, and suddenly Les' voice was asking people not to call about the rumors Roby had been discussing, and he started playing the format again. The air-check is here: http://www.musicradio77.com/images/robylast.mp3 Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 3 22:21:26 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:21:26 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770901031852u264a56dci5b0c31376d485e80@mail.gmail.com> <92AF29796EF147AFB1A5E378FA241448@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>> He didn't know it was his swan song at the time but Bob Dayton on WABC > said Happy Birthday to the 20th anniversary of the atomic bomb by > playing 16 Candles. He vanished never to be heard from again. > > clip is on musicradio77.com Why is that so offensive?<< The song "16 Candles" begins: "Happy birthday, happy birthday baby..." At the time Dayton pulled his faux pas, Mrs. Leonard Goldenson (wife of ABC's chairman of the board) was hosting the Hiroshima Maidens, a group of women who had survived the atomic bombing (some of whom were horribly disfigured) and who traveled the world preaching nuclear disarmament. According to one ABC employee I knew who was working at WABC at the time, the station was on in the background during the luncheon Mrs. Goldenson was hosting in the ABC executive dining room. Oops. Dayton might have been forgiven this one mistake, but according to Rick Sklar he was persistent in doing such impolitic things on the air. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 4 02:59:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:59:35 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com> <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18784.27751.713523.577427@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Neither had a high-speed microprocessor (and all the RF hash it > generates) at its core, as an iPod or its competitors do. > Ever tried using that Walkman or old-style transistor radio on AM near a > laptop computer? Noise city...at least in the vicinity of my laptop. More to the point, for an AM antenna to be even remotely plausible, it has to be much larger than the current generation of portable audio devices. (Think iPod Nano -- a few millimeters thick, a few square centimeters in area at most, and all of that taken up by the logic board.) These things can contain FM tuner because the headphone cord is just long enough (about 1/8 wavelength) to act as a usable antenna in the 3-meter VHF band. -GAWollman From bill.smith@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 04:57:29 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:57:29 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> Messrs. Vahey and Fybush and Brother Ross raise interesting points about WHDH and the Herald Traveler. I have a different sort of take. I think it's hard to imagine that the Boston newspaper scene would have been all that different had Herald-Traveler Corp. won a permanent license for Channel 5. The only reason the Herald-Traveler was kept alive (other than some Choate divorce issues) was to be able ro raise a scare tactic issue in Washington, warning of the newspaper's demise if the company's temporary authority to operate on Ch. 5 were to be terminated in favor of a permanent license awarded to a competing applicant. If H-T Corp. won the license, it would then have been irrational for it to do anything other than kill or sell the newspaper that was poisoning the corporate bottom line. Don't forget, the reason the Herald was sold, rather than abandoned, after the license battle was that Hearst was a willing buyer -- while the wealthier Globe does not seem to have been a serious bidder. The Herald at the time had a facility that was relatively state of the art for a hot-type operation, while Hearst had an aging plant in Winthrop Square that was struggling to put out te all-day tabloid that was the city's circulation leader (although a good number of the papers were bought to get the day's "street number" or the special 'scorecard' edition sold outside Fenway Park, so the circulation figures weren't fooling Jordan Marsh & Co., Wm. Filene's Sons, Gilchrist's, Raymond's, or any of the other downtown retailers that exercised, through the Boston Retail Trade Association, so much influence that, as the late David Farrell pointed out, it never snowed on Summer Street.) Hearst had two interests in the Herald -- the plant, which it desperately needed, and the name plate and respectibility of the Herald, with which it could lift its existing property out of the mud. The Traveler had long touted itself and its Blue Streak Edition as "the paper that comes home," a not so subtle rip at the Evening Record (Record-American following the 1960 consolidation) whose blood and guts orientation was simply not suitable for family reading and which would be left on the train or subway, lest the wife and kiddies see graphic tales of love-nest shooting sprees. Hence, whatever the results of the FCC proceedings for Ch. 5, the H-T and its plant would have been up for sale, and Hearst had much more need to acquire it than did the Globe, which had opened a new Morrissey Blvd. plant in the late 50s, and which at the time was investing its profits in broadcasting and magazine publishing (remember Affiliated Publications? Kaiser-Globe? WHYN? Billboard?). So Hearst bought the Herald and tried to remain an AM/PM combination, as the "Boston Herald Traveler and Record American" in the morning and "Record American and Boston Herald Traveler" in the evening. The names were ridiculed to an early death and Boston Herald American became the nameplate, surviving through the transformation into a tabloid in the early 1980s until the reversion to just Boston Herald when News Corp. bought the paper a few hours after Hearst suspended publication in the mid 80s. Ultimately, the renamed WHDH Corp. shareholders decided to cash out with the sale of its radio properties to Blair. Had a TV been part of the mix it might well have meant a sale to a major broadcasting group, although the networks were maxed out under 7/7/7. No matter. It seems clear that the Herald was doomed even during the Ch 5 proceedings, that Hearst was the likely purchaser, if only to acquire the plant. I submit that the whole WHDH-TV license proceedings influence over the newspaper landscape in Boston is vastly overstated. Finally, the right-wing nonsense about the Kennedys rigging the Ch. 5 proceedings have long ago been debunked and need no further discussion. From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Jan 4 06:05:15 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <15848025.1231067115457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >Sent: Jan 4, 2009 1:59 AM >To: Eli Polonsky >Cc: bostonRadio Mailing List > >Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. >Desmarais > >On 3 Jan 2009 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > >>WATD in Marshfield has live (albeit unpaid) overnight >>hosts, and so do many volunteer college stations that >>don't have to worry about payroll. > >How does WATD get unpaid volunteer overnight hosts? WATD gives the overnight hosts total freedom to play and program the music that they're passionate about. Weeknights 10 PM to 2 AM (and all night Fridays) is Blues, 2 AM to 5 AM the other weeknights is mainly 1950s Doo-Wop and R&B, and Saturdays at midnight is a Big Band jazz show. So, they do the shows for the same reason that DJ's do shows on volunteer college stations, because they feel that it's rewarding to program and present the specialty genres of music that they're playing. I know that the 10 PM - 2 AM Blues block actually buys their airtime, and gets to keep (at least some of) the revenue from the local spots they get on the show. I don't think that the 2 AM-5 AM '50s Doo-Wop hosts are paying for their time (I'm not sure), but they're also unpaid, and occasional local spots do also appear on those shows, and I'd think that the hosts probably get to keep (at least some of) what little they can make from those as well. EP From sid@wrko.com Sun Jan 4 07:20:29 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:20:29 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032034p4f638f09rbed73ec6d18920ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <496037E9.4070204@gabrielmass.com> <4fc429770901032034p4f638f09rbed73ec6d18920ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F020@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>The story goes that Mrs. William Paley made him sleep on the couch until he reversed the cancellation of Gunsmoke which was her favorite show. He did so with lightning speed.<< That one worked so well that the next time Paley wanted to ax a low-rated show and Mrs. Paley didn't, he acquiesced immediately. The show was the 67th-rated show overall at the time, a sitcom about combat surgeons in Korea. Its finale still holds the record for the largest single-program TV audience of all time. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 09:23:13 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:23:13 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <18784.21318.59953.856639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <18784.21318.59953.856639@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901040623j65fb0641s113dc3d51c9d8bc3@mail.gmail.com> Metromedia helped keep BBI afloat in 1971 with a cash infusion. Harold Clancy who was the GM at WHDH developed the strategy to try and bankrupt WCVB before the legal fight was over and it almost worked. Clancy refused to make an arrangement with BBI to take over the Morrisey Boulevard studios forcing BBI to build a plant in Needham and renting space on the channel 4 stick. BBI almost went broke doing so and would not have survived without the 'loan' from Metromedia. BBI then plucked Bob Bennett to be GM from the Metromedia outlet in DC and the relationship between the two groups was cozy. To be fair when BBI cashed out a decade later they rewarded employees with huge bonus checks. On 1/4/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> Boston Broadcasters (BBI) talked a good game to the FCC and on paper >> looked like a deserving license holder. But as we found out a decade >> later it was all a sham for Metromedia to finally get the license. > > Huh? Evidence? > > -GAWollman > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 09:36:05 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:36:05 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901040636nf429dt168467c8d3e21261@mail.gmail.com> Scott Detroit and Seattle still have two broadsheets slugging it out as we enter 2009. The Hearst paper in Boston was the tabloid Record-American and they almost certainly would have folded if the HT has kept 5. Bill Bob Healey of the Globe told me years ago that old man Joe Kennedy despised Beanie Choate and helped the Globe in digging up dirt about channel 5. It is also possible that once the TV license was secured the HT could have cashed out and 2 buyers come to mind, Tribune or Gannett. I suspect in any case the HT would have become a tabloid (assuming Hearst did fold the Record) and Rupert would have come calling at some point. From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 10:17:13 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:17:13 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901040636nf429dt168467c8d3e21261@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> <4fc429770901040636nf429dt168467c8d3e21261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4960D2F9.10109@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott > > Detroit and Seattle still have two broadsheets slugging it out as we enter 2009. Sorry, I should have specified "fully competitive" - Detroit and Seattle, as well as a few other markets (Denver, Fort Wayne, Charleston WV, Salt Lake City) remained two-paper towns under JOAs, Joint Operating Agreements that guaranteed certain levels of profit to the "failing" paper. In each of those cases, there's a commonly-owned newspaper agency selling the ad space in both papers and handling circulation, so it's not a truly competitive situation. There were many more JOAs in the heyday of the form - San Francisco was probably the largest - but many went out of business over the last decade or so. That does remind me, though, that there is at least one other city with two competitive broadsheets - Honolulu, where the JOA was dissolved when Gannett bought the larger Advertiser, the former JOA partner of its smaller Star-Bulletin. The Justice Department made Gannett put the S-B up for sale, usually a formality before shutdown, but in this case a buyer emerged, who's now running the Star-Bulletin as a separate operation, apparently with some success. (Gannett did the same thing in Detroit, selling the News and buying the Free Press; in that case, the JOA continued after MediaNews bought the News. It's an open question as to whether either paper can now be called "successful" - that's the market where home delivery is about to cease 4 days a week.) And there's one more city with two broadsheets going at it under completely separate ownership - Pittsburgh has the Post-Gazette (owned by the Block family of the Toledo Blade) and the Tribune-Review, mouthpiece of Richard Mellon Scaife and all he stands for. The P-G dominates in circulation, but the Trib has its following, too. > It is also possible that once the TV license was secured the HT could > have cashed out and 2 buyers come to mind, Tribune or Gannett. > I suspect in any case the HT would have become a tabloid (assuming > Hearst did fold the Record) and Rupert would have come calling at some > point. This seems likely, though Boston would have been a very big market for the Gannett of the 1970s, pre-USA Today, to have bought into. I knew that company intimately, since its headquarters were just up the road here in Rochester, up on the fifth floor of the Times-Union/Democrat & Chronicle building. It was a modest company back then, publishing monopoly papers in small and medium markets and reaping phenomenal profit margins from them. I think Rochester may have been its biggest market in that era. Once Al Neuharth launched USA Today and began raising Gannett's profile, the company started buying local papers and TV in bigger markets, swooping in to acquire major properties like the Louisville Courier-Journal, the Detroit News, the Des Moines Register, and the Indy Star and Arizona Republic as the old-line family owners were selling out. But that all started happening in the eighties, and it's hard to imagine the HT would have survived unscathed that long. One other note on the "what-if" timeline: If WHDH-TV had stayed on the air, and if my whole CBS/ABC swap idea hadn't played out in the late 70s, then 5 would still have been a CBS affiliate in 1994, right? That would have set up a most interesting scenario when CBS moved over to WBZ. Instead of a relatively simple CBS/NBC swap between 7 and 4, Boston could have ended up with the same kind of free-for-all that Baltimore and Denver experienced, where all of the "Big 3" affiliates swapped. At the very least, it might have set up an interesting negotiating scene as ABC and NBC jockeyed for position on 5 and 7, with Fox potentially in the mix, too. (This, in turn, assumes that WHDH-TV would have remained an independently-owned station; it's more likely, as several have noted, that the Herald-Traveler group would have sold out, at some point, to one of the big group owners of the era, if not directly to one of the networks. NBC, in particular, had long coveted Boston, and was close to a deal circa 1960 to swap WRC radio/TV in Washington to RKO for WNAC radio/TV in Boston.) s From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 4 10:29:43 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:29:43 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> Message-ID: <83B3D7F9-4827-4F80-A831-F38C299CABF9@mac.com> On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > It's hard to imagine that Boston would have ended up as the lone > market in the country to support two full-market broadsheets into > the 21st century. (I guess DC sort of fits the bill, but only > because the Moonies are keeping the WashTimes afloat despite > massive losses.) A few others, but not many. Pittsburgh's Tribune-Review is a second broadsheet supported by suburban papers and Richard Mellon Scaife, who might be that city's version of the Moonies. The rest are all propped up by JOA's: Seattle, Salt Lake, Tucson, Fort Wayne IN, Charleston WV, York PA, and Detroit, where they'll still be publishing daily despite the home delivery cutbacks. > > The Globe was still strong enough at that point that it probably > could have done what many of those other surviving papers did and > bought out the competition to close it down. I wonder why the Globe has never shown interest in buying out the Herald or forming a JOA? This is probably the single biggest reason why Boston still has pure newspaper competition. From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 4 09:30:07 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:30:07 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <49606016.1040804@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> <49606016.1040804@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Blaine Thompson wrote: > >> I know Lewis Lazare at the Sun-Times and Phil Rosenthal at the >> Tribune >> are trying to cover the beat, but nobody did it as well as Robert >> Feder. > > Indeed, and the remarkable thing is that he hasn't surfaced > anywhere else. The Tribune probably has no budget available to hire > anyone, to be sure, but I rather expected by now that we'd see his > byline in, say, Chicago Magazine It's owned by Tribune Company. > or the Reader (their version of the Phoenix). It's owned by Creative Loafing. Both companies went bankrupt in 2008. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 4 10:55:40 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:55:40 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <766179FCEC7B4F93A7E06D91455A305C@DanBillingsPC> Did Roby get other jobs in radio? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 11:11:30 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:11:30 -0600 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <766179FCEC7B4F93A7E06D91455A305C@DanBillingsPC> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <766179FCEC7B4F93A7E06D91455A305C@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770901040811v3f0874e2n5cd9f4cd6e19369d@mail.gmail.com> He had a few minor gigs around Miami but couldn't hang on to a job. Sadly he died about 10 years ago virtually homeless as drugs and alcohol took a toll on him. I first heard him in 1967 at WQAM in Miami and he made a huge impression on me as he was that good. On 1/4/09, Dan Billings wrote: > Did Roby get other jobs in radio? > > From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 4 11:17:21 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:17:21 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4960D2F9.10109@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> <4fc429770901040636nf429dt168467c8d3e21261@mail.gmail.com> <4960D2F9.10109@fybush.com> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Scott >> Detroit and Seattle still have two broadsheets slugging it out as >> we enter 2009. > > Sorry, I should have specified "fully competitive" - Detroit and > Seattle, as well as a few other markets (Denver, Fort Wayne, > Charleston WV, Salt Lake City) remained two-paper towns under JOAs, > Joint Operating Agreements that guaranteed certain levels of profit > to the "failing" paper. In each of those cases, there's a commonly- > owned newspaper agency selling the ad space in both papers and > handling circulation, so it's not a truly competitive situation. Hmm, I guess you already knew all that, since were typing the same things. :) It's interesting that Canada has so much more pure newspaper competition, in Toronto (2 national, 2 local), Montreal (3 French, 1 English), Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Quebec City, and Ottawa, also 2 co-owned dailies in Vancouver. Most of these papers are owned by two huge national chains, both with problems. Canada has never opened the floodgates of radio deregulation to the extent of the US. There are a lot fewer radio and TV stations per market, and I wonder if this has kept the doors open a little wider for newspapers. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 4 11:04:33 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18784.27751.713523.577427@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <18783.38552.949240.76493@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com> <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> <18784.27751.713523.577427@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 2:59 AM -0500 1/4/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: >More to the point, for an AM antenna to be even remotely plausible, it >has to be much larger than the current generation of portable audio >devices. (Think iPod Nano -- a few millimeters thick, a few square >centimeters in area at most, and all of that taken up by the logic >board.) These things can contain FM tuner because the headphone cord >is just long enough (about 1/8 wavelength) to act as a usable antenna >in the 3-meter VHF band. Many cars use antennas of that length for both AM and FM, so it can be done. But, the question is, do they want to do it? Do enough people who buy portable music players also want to listen to AM to make it worthwhile for the manufacturers to design it into their product? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From pjries@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 07:51:13 2009 From: pjries@gmail.com (Pamela Riesmeyer) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:51:13 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4960b0d5.1c17400a.160d.3d7e@mx.google.com> At 11:42 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The end of WHDH(AM) was one of the saddest days in Boston broadcast >history. I remember Howie Carr doing a remote outside channel 7 giving >away anything with a logo on it. I wasn't there for that funeral, thankfully, but I think I may still have a mike flag or two. >Radio? The station flourished under Blair and their Stuart St >studios were a showcase. But Blair cashed out and once Jess retired >in 1991. HDH had lost its soul BUT you have to wonder if the station >was still linked to channel 5 it would be as strong as ever today. I was there from February, 1984 thru October, 1987 - in the Blair days and the first months of the Sconnix regime. Ed Bell had a stellar news department but Blair dealt it a serious blow by cutting 6 people three months after I got there. Ed was able to pick up the pieces bu the death blow came under Sconnix. That's another book waiting to be written! Pam From brscomm@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 12:29:29 2009 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:29:29 -0600 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> Message-ID: <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> As of today, Sunday, out here in St. Louis, Weather Plus is still alive and well on Charter Cable. Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Alexander Svirsky > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:53 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone > > > Will be interesting to find out what they plan for 7.2 next year, if > anything. Maybe free up the bandwidth for their primary channel? > My understanding (I only work here, so what do I know? Mushroom theory at work!) is that there is an NBC Universal movie channel in the works. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From mward@iname.com Sun Jan 4 12:41:13 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:41:13 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> Message-ID: <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> Bill Smith wrote: > As of today, Sunday, out here in St. Louis, Weather Plus is still alive and > well on Charter Cable. The national, official Weather Plus feed went away for everyone sometime on the 31st. Has the station done what ours (WKYC/Cleveland) did? It has managed to keep the Weather Plus "L" graphics, minus the logo, and is running continuous radar feeds... with generic weather theme music in a loop... the Weather Plus" logo now just reads "3 WEATHER".. You can watch it yourself here: http://www.wkyc.com/video/weather/weather_plus/default.aspx Like for you, the feed is still on Time Warner Cable 372...though it was announced that would go away. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 4 12:52:25 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:52:25 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> Message-ID: <18784.63321.534827.585256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The national, official Weather Plus feed went away for everyone sometime > on the 31st. > Has the station done what ours (WKYC/Cleveland) did? I believe Gannett decided to keep the weather service on its stations, and I recall a couple of other groups being mentioned as well. (They haven't yet committed to carrying Universal Sports.) -GAWollman From mward@iname.com Sun Jan 4 12:55:27 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:55:27 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <18784.63321.534827.585256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> <18784.63321.534827.585256@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4960F80F.1080103@iname.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I believe Gannett decided to keep the weather service on its stations, > and I recall a couple of other groups being mentioned as well. (They > haven't yet committed to carrying Universal Sports.) I'm actually fine with that. I have zero interest in Universal Sports, and if there's gonna be something eating up bandwidth on 3.2, it may as well be a low-bandwidth weather channel that's currently graphics... BTW, Retro TV Network isn't an option for anyone anymore, at least at the present...it has apparently gone dark in dispute between Equity Media and whoever picked up that company's pieces... From ADAMNW@aol.com Sun Jan 4 12:56:51 2009 From: ADAMNW@aol.com (ADAMNW@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:56:51 EST Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone Message-ID: I think NBC now owns the weather channel, so having two weather services would have been too expensive. **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Jan 4 13:08:49 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:08:49 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone Message-ID: <20090104180849.3468CCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> On New Year's Day, NBC covered the outdoor hockey game between Detroit and Chicago from Wrigley Field. They had Jim Cantore of Weather Channel on the sidelines, reporting on the frigid temps. >>I think NBC now owns the weather channel, so having two weather services would have been too expensive. From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Jan 4 13:33:55 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:33:55 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496020EB.4080304@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4961012b.8602be0a.4858.ffff93d7@mx.google.com> Richard Chonak wrote: >I found a recording of the Roby Yonge stunt via his Wikipedia >article. Are there any other audio clips of notorious departures on-line? Well, there's this one of Rosko's last day on WOR-FM where he quits on air rather than do Drake radio. http://www.reelradio.com/aa/index.html#rosko67 Then there's this of a guy named Chuck McKay on CKLW. From the sounds of it, he'd landed another gig & was working out his notice. http://www.reelradio.com/bh/index.html#cmcklw75 From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 14:03:41 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:03:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> Message-ID: <215593.3575.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WJAR is also running Weather Plus on 10.2, alternating 7 day forecast for Providence, Newport and New Bedford on the bottom and various satellite images on the right 2/3rds of the screen. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 14:16:04 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:16:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> <83B3D7F9-4827-4F80-A831-F38C299CABF9@mac.com> Message-ID: <641299.12329.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark wrote: I wonder why the Globe has never shown interest in buying out the Herald or forming a JOA?? This is probably the single biggest reason why Boston still has pure newspaper competition. My guess is the Globe thought the Herald would die on it's own. They came close enough times. Either that or hubris on the part of ownership and management. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 14:18:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:18:52 -0600 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> <49606016.1040804@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901041118n69c1f2fbm24d703cab1529681@mail.gmail.com> The Hall of Fame goodbye exit in Boston history happened at WMEX in 1966. A jock came to Boston from KJR Seattle in September of that year and knew after 10 minutes he made a bad career move. He quickly landed a new gig at WCFL in Chicago but there was the minor problem of his contract with Mac Richmond. So he plotted.... In those days Mac would have jocks on the air 6 or 7 days a week but allowed them to record the weekend shows and the jock saw his escape. In his last hour WMEX became WBZ complete with jingles and he promoted the BZ jocks on the air. He knew Mac was in DC bothering WPGC so he knew he could pull it off. The next day Mac fired him and the jock happily went to Chicago. His airname at WMEX was Johnny Lujack but you all know him as Larry Lujack. Lujack played a copy on a WLS rewind a couple of years ago and it was hysterical. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 14:37:37 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:37:37 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <641299.12329.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> <49605F41.4010506@fybush.com> <83B3D7F9-4827-4F80-A831-F38C299CABF9@mac.com> <641299.12329.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901041137w1ddabb09s625961b8266de706@mail.gmail.com> The Herald had nothing to offer the Globe for a JOA. The Globe had better presses, 90 percent of the classified market and so on. I still believe Murdoch is the secret owner of the Herald as Purcell just doesn't have the money. On 1/4/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Mark wrote: > I wonder why the Globe has never shown interest in buying out the Herald or > forming a JOA? This is probably the single biggest reason why Boston still > has pure newspaper competition. > > > My guess is the Globe thought the Herald would die on it's own. They came > close enough times. Either that or hubris on the part of ownership and > management. > > > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 16:12:05 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:12:05 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49612625.2030600@gmail.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove > it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would > play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. > > I may be wrong but I do believe that Johnny Paycheck gem was song "28" or "128" (or I could be way off) in the jukebox "downstairs" from WCAP at Cappy's Copper Kettle. Every station had its watering hole and goodbye ditty. Perhaps this list's Mr. Smith could settle that factoid straight. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jan 4 16:19:59 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:19:59 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkKiYA References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkKiYA Message-ID: <762D844BB07044CF91E60AF6ED14807C@YOURA48F92F9EB> I remember back in 1989, when WBOS was stunting in preparation to switch from Country to AAA, they actually played "Take this job and shove it", at first once an hour, then every over song, then the last day they played it continuously until the format switch. -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:18 PM To: Sid Schweiger Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Nightcap One place I worked, you were told you wer egoing to be let go right before your last air shift and were VERY CLEARLY instructed to NOT say ANYTHING to your listeners about this being your last shift.. you were told to go on as if it were a normal shift. The PD (this was a country station) also removed "Take this job and shove it" from the hard drive, because on more then one occassion, the DJ would play that as their last song.. and they didn't like that. Paul On 1/3/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>I guess what bothers me the most about Steve leaving BZ is the way it > was handled. That audience deserved a chance to say goodbye to him and > for him to do the same. Doesn't anybody at CBS remember that > ultimately this is a one on one business, the host (station) and > listener.<< > > > Letting a fired air personality say goodbye on the air went the way of the > dodo bird decades ago. The few rotten apples who abused the privilege > (think Roby Yonge on WABC) spoiled it for everyone else. > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 16:23:56 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:23:56 -0500 Subject: Nightcap References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC><4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com><07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC><20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: > King used to boast--and perhaps still does--that he NEVER read an > author's book before interviewing him/her on the air. > > Anyhow, King was completely oblivious to this bizarre history when he > did the on-air interview and, because he had never read the book whose > author he was interviewing, he was completely blindsided. I thought he > made a total ass of himself on national network radio. The problem with "I never read the book" is that it celebrates ignorance. Reading the book (or simply skimmingit) is part of prep for an interview. I think he could get away with that claim (that it makes him approach the author like a listener who had not read the book), but it's quite clear that Larry does not do much (if any) prep for his interviews. He would rather schmooze with the stars....and has become king of the softball interview. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 16:32:06 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:32:06 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap References: <4fc429770901032142k74a75546l354e767b9b4f4499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Boston Broadcasters (BBI) talked a good game to the FCC and on paper > looked like a deserving license holder. But as we found out a decade > later it was all a sham for Metromedia to finally get the license. How is that? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 16:35:54 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:35:54 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com><4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com><4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com><7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com><49606016.1040804@fybush.com> <4fc429770901041118n69c1f2fbm24d703cab1529681@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro> > In those days Mac would have jocks on the air 6 or 7 days a week but > allowed them to record the weekend shows and the jock saw his escape. > In his last hour WMEX became WBZ complete with jingles and he promoted > the BZ jocks on the air. He knew Mac was in DC bothering WPGC so he > knew he could pull it off. The next day Mac fired him and the jock > happily went to Chicago. I would think under those circumstances the non-compete would still be in effect. (In those days it was, what...500 miles....i.e...Williams vs Richmond Brothers.) From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 16:36:59 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:36:59 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <18784.15255.498200.372319@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <4F300D33D44A46EDAAE90A4927EB5331@DanBillingsPC> <4fc429770901031854j1b7c31caj27ca78597b3ba513@mail.gmail.com> <07AFBD13DBAA450A94E2CC31154537A4@DanBillingsPC> <20090104030131.DF7A52203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031925s775a1315m31443f143d3306cf@mail.gmail.com> <119561AC152B4CB68227AC7E960F57CC@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770901032022q554ab341yba5ace5b5505441a@mail.gmail.com> <18784.15255.498200.372319@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49612BFB.6070707@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > That's a pretty reasonable way to do it. An author's job on tour is > to sell the book, and if they can't express what it's about in a way > that makes people want to buy it, their publisher shouldn't have put > them up to it. I agree. I am sure that King sold a ton of books regardless of the fact that he, himself, had not read the literary masterpiece being "humped" (Imus-ism). A good host is a curious host but not a beholden one. Bill O'Neill From pjries@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 07:43:51 2009 From: pjries@gmail.com (Pamela Riesmeyer) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:43:51 -0600 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4960af21.1d3e400a.79a0.ffffdf4f@mx.google.com> At 10:57 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Pamela are still working in Chicago today? No, Kevin. I was pretty much done with the industry as I knew it after that whole Westinghouse-Infinity-CBS mess of the late 1990's. We went off the air at WMAQ in 2000 and I've been working in Web development and dabbling in Internet radio ever since. I still live just outside Chicago and I still talk to some of the people I worked with, but no interest in going back on the air. I do think, as many of you have said, that broadcasting and newspapers haven't made the kind of use of the Web that they could have and should have. I'm not sure what the future holds but I do think the existing business model is broken. >WMAQ was just caught in a perfect storm. Even though the >Westinghouse news format was enjoyed by many the suits wanted to move WSCR to a >better signal. The irony is that as well as CBS/Infinity has done >with sports at WFAN and WIP the format has never caught in Chicago. >Of course Mike North didn't help things. ( he now on Comcast Sports >Net Chicago morning ) Long story behind this. Short version is this - Westinghouse had projected that it would take 5 years for WMAQ to top WBBM. WBBM's competitive strategy was to blur the lines, since they had the longevity in the market, and just adopt everything we did to make it seem as if it was their idea. It worked really well for them. That may be why the talk about moving WMAQ to all sports talk started just two years into the 5 year plan. Our GM at the time was Rick Starr, btw, and he resisted the efforts. It didn't make him very popular in Pittsburgh but we hung on for a long time - 10 years after that. The CBS/Infinity purchase was the clue that we were in big trouble. There were other signs, too. I can't wait for someone to write that book! Pam Pamela Riesmeyer Wings of Mercury Web Designs http://www.wingsofmercury.com (219) 322 2396 From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 16:51:05 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Nightcap] Message-ID: <49612F49.8090102@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > That's a pretty reasonable way to do it. An author's job on tour is > to sell the book, and if they can't express what it's about in a way > that makes people want to buy it, their publisher shouldn't have put > them up to it. I wrote: I agree. I am sure that King sold a ton of books regardless of the fact that he, himself, had not read the literary masterpiece being "humped" (Imus-ism). A good host is a curious host but not a beholden one. And now I add: I signed off quickly on this and wanted to add that I generally only interviewed authors with books that were of interest to me (and presumably with a hook to the audience) and reading it was the way in which I gained an interest in the first place. Reading it (and the occasional skim) would spawn questions (sticky-notes as the question would surface). Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:27:43 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:27:43 -0600 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <8bce0fe80901031817p3cd180bbka529a59e02837471@mail.gmail.com> <4960222a.1b17400a.4251.716e@mx.google.com> <4fc429770901032057i6b7b0fc7gd756801c63992002@mail.gmail.com> <7bded94e0901032102s565a0641v4f84d08c4883c7f@mail.gmail.com> <49606016.1040804@fybush.com> <4fc429770901041118n69c1f2fbm24d703cab1529681@mail.gmail.com> <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4fc429770901041427g408b01dg708ae51e505b2bbc@mail.gmail.com> I think Mac was just happy to be rid of Lujack. Lujack wrote in Superjock that Mac would sit in the studio with him ordering him to say things that popped into his head. Coming from a big outlet like KJR to Bay Village must have been a shock for Lujack. Keep in mind the timeframe as well as this happened in December of 66. Mac knew bigger trouble was ahead with WNAC and probably didn't want a nasty fight with Lujack. Baseball fans might nod yes when I say Mac Richmond was the Charlie Finley of radio. He knew talent but was impossible to work for. On 1/4/09, Don A wrote: > >> In those days Mac would have jocks on the air 6 or 7 days a week but >> allowed them to record the weekend shows and the jock saw his escape. >> In his last hour WMEX became WBZ complete with jingles and he promoted >> the BZ jocks on the air. He knew Mac was in DC bothering WPGC so he >> knew he could pull it off. The next day Mac fired him and the jock >> happily went to Chicago. > > I would think under those circumstances the non-compete would still be in > effect. > > (In those days it was, what...500 miles....i.e...Williams vs Richmond > Brothers.) > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 18:47:15 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:47:15 -0500 Subject: BRI reflection Message-ID: <49614A83.4000407@gmail.com> It's always great to read Scott Fybush's year in review (and his rants). He outdid himself this year, imho. It got me wondering about the history of this listserv, as well. I think I started posting here in '96 or 97. It's that time o' year when we reflect back. A word of thanks to Garrett, Scott, Dan and those who've been keeping this radio thing humming along and may its plates be ever engaged. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jan 4 20:46:59 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:46:59 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLEkMCYA References: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLEkMCYA Message-ID: How ironic it would be if the Globe folds and the Herald remains the last Boston Daily standing... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:42 AM To: Larry Weil Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap I have always speculated on what the Boston broadcast landscape would look like today if the Herald-Traveler had won the fight to keep channel 5. It was an ugly case and it came down to the Globe and the Kennedy family doing everything that could to destroy the newspaper. From paul@derrynh.net Sun Jan 4 20:46:59 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:46:59 -0500 Subject: Nightcap In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSYA References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com><20090104001007.600A41D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770901031642g5f30aa11vb76c29073d10613@mail.gmail.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC742F01B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4fc429770901031846j5b793fb6n17d0a89ca77484c8@mail.gmail.com><20090104025400.623242203C7@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSYA Message-ID: As someone not in the business, I have to say that Tom Ellis seemed to me like he didn't really know what he was doing anymore. I found him rather painful to watch. I'm surprised NECN kept him as long as they did. -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:09 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: Nightcap It was on You Tube but has been pulled. He was very, very bitter about being cast aside like an old texas mule after giving 16 years to NECN. On 1/3/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 09:46 PM 1/3/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Well I don't think Steve would have announced 'Paul is Dead' on his last >> show. >> >>Perhaps the ugly farewell last weekend by Tom Ellis on NECN may have >>been fresh in the mind of BZ suits. > > ooo, I was out of town last weekend-- what did Tom say and is it > posted anywhere? > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 4 20:54:31 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:54:31 -0600 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770901041754q5b548d36oe1e21f10a3092528@mail.gmail.com> Incredibly that could actually happen now. The NY Times has angry stockholders while the Herald is privately owned by Purcell (Murdoch) The Globe is getting thinner by the week. Maybe Atty Ross can interject here but is there any way the Times could just file bankruptcy for the Globe division and keep NY out of it for now? I know in Chicago the reverse happened when the Tribune filed by the Cubs are not involved. On 1/4/09, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > How ironic it would be if the Globe folds and the Herald remains the last > Boston Daily standing... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:42 AM > To: Larry Weil > Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap > > > I have always speculated on what the Boston broadcast landscape would > look like today if the Herald-Traveler had won the fight to keep > channel 5. It was an ugly case and it came down to the Globe and the > Kennedy family doing everything that could to destroy the newspaper. > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 4 21:04:38 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:04:38 -0500 Subject: BRI reflection In-Reply-To: <49614A83.4000407@gmail.com> References: <49614A83.4000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18785.27318.905193.490017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's always great to read Scott Fybush's year in review (and his rants). > He outdid himself this year, imho. It got me wondering about the > history of this listserv, as well. I think I started posting here in > '96 or 97. The list archives begin in March, 1997. However, I'm not sure how much further back the list itself goes, and any records that would indicate have long since been lost. The Web site was announced in rec.radio.broadcasting on January 1, 1995. The earliest version of the site that I can find is on archive.org is from 1998, well after the mailing-list began. > It's that time o' year when we reflect back. A word of thanks to > Garrett, Scott, Dan and those who've been keeping this radio thing > humming along and may its plates be ever engaged. You're welcome. -GAWollman From dick@dicksummer.com Sun Jan 4 22:00:31 2009 From: dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:00:31 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> Message-ID: <09D634C9645C48C998FF0501A8B8F1A2@DickPC2> Larry, If you or any of your friends know any of the non political talk talent that was just laid off in the CBS Radio Disaster, please ask them to contact me at dick@dicksummer.com I'm planning on starting a streaming web station shortly, and it would be interesting to have some of them involved. Thanks. Dick Summer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Dick Summer" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > At 12:45 AM -0500 1/3/09, Dick Summer wrote: >>There's a lot of everything out there...except...one thing. There's >>nothing out there that cares. There's lots of music, lots of information, >>lots of opinion, lots of explanation...but nothing that cares. We cared. >>Dick > > Yes, you certainly did. Unfortunately it seems they threw out the mold > after they made you! > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Jan 4 22:10:47 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:10:47 -0500 Subject: BRI reflection In-Reply-To: <18785.27318.905193.490017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49614A83.4000407@gmail.com> <18785.27318.905193.490017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20090105031101.AAEAD1FDAC9@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Garret wrote-- > >The list archives begin in March, 1997. However, I'm not sure how >much further back the list itself goes, and any records that would >indicate have long since been lost. They weren't lost by me-- I'm a media historian, remember? On 3 May 1996, you invited me to become a contributing editor of the Boston Radio Archives, which I gladly did. You also told me about what was gonna be a new list. You wrote: "In addition to this, I am also about to announce a new mailing-list specifically for discussing greater Boston radio and television. It is called: boston-radio-interest@mercury.lcs.mit.edu..." Soooo, our anniversary is technically sometime in early May of 1996, it seems to me. 8-) From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 22:25:54 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:25:54 -0500 Subject: BRI reflection In-Reply-To: <20090105031101.AAEAD1FDAC9@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <49614A83.4000407@gmail.com> <18785.27318.905193.490017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090105031101.AAEAD1FDAC9@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49617DC2.9030806@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > >> Garret wrote-- >> >> The list archives begin in March, 1997. However, I'm not sure how >> much further back the list itself goes, and any records that would >> indicate have long since been lost. > > They weren't lost by me-- I'm a media historian, remember? On 3 May > 1996, you invited me to become a contributing editor of the Boston Radio > Archives, which I gladly did. You also told me about what was gonna be > a new list. You wrote: "In addition to this, I am also about to > announce a new mailing-list specifically for discussing greater Boston > radio and television. It is called: > boston-radio-interest@mercury.lcs.mit.edu..." > > Soooo, our anniversary is technically sometime in early May of 1996, it > seems to me. 8-) Ach, you're all a bunch of newcomers, I say... :-) The date was January 14, 1994, and over at Bill Pfeiffer's (RIP) rec.radio.broadcasting, his call for "radio watchers" to monitor local radio scenes across the country had borne fruit in New England - Mark Shneyder became the "Boston Radio Watcher" first, and so I decided to expand my horizons to be the "New England Radio Watcher." The rest, as they say, was history: http://www.tinyurl.com/firstNERW 15 years...and Mark and I are both still at it. Who'd have imagined? s From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Jan 4 22:32:39 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:32:39 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? Message-ID: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> Seen on rec.radio.shortwave: > > Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave > From: jimwilh...@labs.net > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:07:47 -0800 (PST) > Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 8:07 pm > Subject: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! > > > WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! > They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this > is the wave of the future! > > The thread is here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/browse_thread/thread/3d55949595551152/c8460dfdfff4ce95 From keith.fornal@cox.net Sun Jan 4 22:40:19 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:40:19 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: I have noticed that since Friday. Perhaps it got laid off as well. Other CBS AMs like WCBS & WINS are still in HD. I know it is blasphemy to say this here but I like HD. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Richard Chonak Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:33 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: no HD on BZ? Seen on rec.radio.shortwave: > > Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave > From: jimwilh...@labs.net > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:07:47 -0800 (PST) > Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 8:07 pm > Subject: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! > > > WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! > They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this > is the wave of the future! > > The thread is here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/browse_thread/thread/3d55 949595551152/c8460dfdfff4ce95 From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 22:53:12 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:53:12 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> Keith Fornal wrote: > I have noticed that since Friday. Perhaps it got laid off as well. Other > CBS AMs like WCBS & WINS are still in HD. I know it is blasphemy to say > this here but I like HD. It's funny to watch the speculation on some of the DX lists about what's going on. It's just the backup transmitter in Allston, which is analog-only; there appears to have been a failure of the program line out to the main transmitter in Hull, and until it's fixed, it's 10 kW analog from Allston. Incidentally, even with just 10 kW, the signal comes in here in Rochester just fine...and so do KDKA and local WYSL, where Bob Savage must be very happy these last few days :-) s From blainethompson@gmail.com Sun Jan 4 23:19:09 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:19:09 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901042019v36b4328cwfbb968bc3ffcc162@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Incidentally, even with just 10 kW, the signal comes in here in Rochester > just fine...and so do KDKA and local WYSL, where Bob Savage must be very > happy these last few days :-) There is some static behind the 1030AM signal on various radios here in Fort Wayne, Indiana, but I can certainly hear WBZ with 90% clarity, based on a scale of clarity that I created moments ago in my head. - Blaine From brscomm@yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 23:49:51 2009 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:49:51 -0600 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone In-Reply-To: <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com> <7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels> <4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> Message-ID: <81C3FF2DE3784BEEAE04F71018972295@wesels> KSDK is running Weather Plus with only local STL area weather. No sign of NBC or national weather. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ward [mailto:mpward@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ward Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:41 AM To: Bill Smith Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone Bill Smith wrote: > As of today, Sunday, out here in St. Louis, Weather Plus is still alive and > well on Charter Cable. The national, official Weather Plus feed went away for everyone sometime on the 31st. Has the station done what ours (WKYC/Cleveland) did? It has managed to keep the Weather Plus "L" graphics, minus the logo, and is running continuous radar feeds... with generic weather theme music in a loop... the Weather Plus" logo now just reads "3 WEATHER".. You can watch it yourself here: http://www.wkyc.com/video/weather/weather_plus/default.aspx Like for you, the feed is still on Time Warner Cable 372...though it was announced that would go away. From keith.fornal@cox.net Mon Jan 5 00:16:07 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:16:07 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <09D634C9645C48C998FF0501A8B8F1A2@DickPC2> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com><023D440BF0744C05B4CA3DA6FC4578B9@DickPC2> <09D634C9645C48C998FF0501A8B8F1A2@DickPC2> Message-ID: <615ECBEFF2D3408CBA0E0FAFD1EF83D6@KeithPC> So it's 12:15 am and Jordan Rich is still on. I wonder how long he will be on tonight? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dick Summer Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:01 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List; Larry Weil Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Larry, If you or any of your friends know any of the non political talk talent that was just laid off in the CBS Radio Disaster, please ask them to contact me at dick@dicksummer.com I'm planning on starting a streaming web station shortly, and it would be interesting to have some of them involved. Thanks. Dick Summer From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jan 5 00:31:26 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:31:26 -0500 Subject: Ordway re-enlists Message-ID: <49619B2E.9070400@gabrielmass.com> Jessica Heslam is reporting a new Ordway contract running into seven figures and a possible TV version of "The Big Show". http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1143140 In a burst of production creativity, Ordway "envisions the show being viewed from several different camera angles." Hey, the studio webcams for "Bayern 3" already have that! --RC From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 5 00:36:10 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:36:10 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Keith Fornal > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:40 PM > To: 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: no HD on BZ? > > I have noticed that since Friday. Perhaps it got laid off as well. > Other > CBS AMs like WCBS & WINS are still in HD. I know it is blasphemy to > say > this here but I like HD. > Ditto for me also. We monitor WBZ at WMWM for alerts and I noticed that the beautiful FM quality of the AM-HD signal had dropped to, well, AM quality when I checked it at the station Saturday. We have a roof mounted AM antenna and I speculated that we had some icing. [Brian Vita] I noticed that I couldn't get HD on my office Sangean receiver today also. Based on that I guessed that they were operating off an auxillary transmitter but I didn't realize that they were down to 10Kw as Scott pointed out. For all of the whining on the radio boards about AM-HD, it does serve its intended purpose; making AM listenable to a more critical audience than the previous generation. Face it, most of us grew up in a time when AM was the only show in town and FM was just coming into play. We learned to mentally tune out the defects of the heterodyne whine or station fade. When we wanted to hear a song we listened until our favorite DJ played it or, if we REALLY liked it, bought the 45 or tried to tape it off the radio (in MONO). Today's generation grew up with Napster, IPOD's and illegal file sharing which brought instant gratification. They simply don't see the need to put up with AM's idiosyncracies. Why strain DXing for a new AM station when there are 10,000 or more available on the web in much better sound quality? Most folks under 30 that I've run into equate listening to AM as I would consider listening to white noise. At least when they have the HD turned on, WBZ sounds like an FM station. As a side note, I've always considered WBZ-HD to be a bit to crisp (spitty) and wished that they'd roll off the high end a bit. When was the last time that you suggested that to an AM station? I wish that WRKO would light up in HD. On the rare occasion that I feel like listening to Howie, it'd make it listenable in my office. I now submit myself for tarring and feathering. Brian From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 00:46:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:46:52 -0600 Subject: the day WHDH ended In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770901042146g5997fb5bw50b90e8e856ae2b3@mail.gmail.com> I can't even fathom what it must have been like to go from working for CBS (when it WAS CBS) to Papa Gino's Pizza. It was like CBS just wanted to destroy everything they had built in Boston. I am a little fuzzy on the timeline but did Mugar at first try to sell both channel 7 and 850 as a package or did he just sell both separate. I am guessing Ansin wanted no part of radio but was he even offered the chance? I know Ansin has been at war with his neighbor in Miami WIOD for years. The cold reality is both the histories of WEEI and WHDH were flushed down the drain when the dust settled in 1994. The HT built WHDH pretty much from scratch after WW2 and the station was so important to so many people in the post war years. I will take an educated guess that WHDH becoming a power forced WNAC to do something drastic ( buying WLAW ) to survive. Somebody must have the WHDH archives locked away. Bob and Ray, Jess Cain, Bob Clayton, Fred B. Cole, Norm Nathan and many others something must have survived. There was a gentleman (was his name Carlo?) who was the 'office manager' of HDH at least through the Stuart St years and long before. If anybody saved something it would be him. I wonder if he is still with us. ( anybody who worked at Stuart St would know who I mean but his name escapes me ) On 1/4/09, chris2526 wrote: > During the WHDH talk days including their stint as CBS all news > in addition to the board op they had an engineer on duty at the studio > from 6:00 AM until 6:00 PM. (Pat Carol was the only winner from this > stint landing herself morning drive on WCBS when WHDH's all news > went away). > During this period and when they went talk I was their daytime engineer on > duty at 7 Bulfinch Place. > I was on duty with Howie Carr the last day when the sale was held outside, > It was one of the saddest days in Boston radio history beaten only by > tortureous drawn out demise of WEEI Newsradio 590 when sold by CBS.....just > heartbreaking. WEEI was by far the better product when held up against the > sloppy unpolished sound of todays WBZ. > When under Papa Gino's ownership I remember a weekday show at 9:00 AM by > Lottie Mendelson talking about blenders for an hour...after > hearing that I knew the end was near. > > Chris Hall > > From mike@miscon.net Mon Jan 5 00:51:51 2009 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:51:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: Talk America preview In-Reply-To: <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Jordan's talking with Jon about the debut of the new show (at the top of the hour). From keith.fornal@cox.net Mon Jan 5 00:57:40 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:57:40 -0500 Subject: Talk America preview In-Reply-To: <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com><003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> So if the normal start is 1am, will Dan Rea be on until 1am now? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of mike@miscon.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:52 AM To: 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: Talk America preview Jordan's talking with Jon about the debut of the new show (at the top of the hour). From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:53 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <49601800.13330.8D737B@joe.attorneyross.com>, <496060AA.40105@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49615B89.7254.1E08B6E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 2:09, Scott Fybush wrote: > Ever tried using that Walkman or old-style transistor radio on AM near > a laptop computer? Noise city...at least in the vicinity of my laptop. Well, I just tried it. The noise is there only when the Walkman is right next to the laptop. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:53 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:53 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 4:57, Bill Smith wrote: > Don't forget, the reason the Herald was sold, rather than > abandoned, after the license battle was that Hearst was a willing > buyer But all they actually sold were the plant and the intellectual property. The paper itself folded. I believe the HT tried to find a buyer who would keep the paper going, but there were no takers. > Hearst had two interests in the Herald -- the plant, which it > desperately needed, and the name plate and respectibility of the > Herald, with which it could lift its existing property out of the mud. > The Traveler had long touted itself and its Blue Streak Edition as > "the paper that comes home," a not so subtle rip at the Evening Record > (Record-American following the 1960 consolidation) whose blood and > guts orientation was simply not suitable for family reading and which > would be left on the train or subway, lest the wife and kiddies see > graphic tales of love-nest shooting sprees. Actually, it was the evening American before the consolidation. IIRC the nominally Morning Record actually came out late in the evening, dated the next morning. > So Hearst bought the Herald and tried to remain an AM/PM > combination, as the "Boston Herald Traveler and Record American" in > the morning and "Record American and Boston Herald Traveler" in the > evening. Not quite. Neither paper had an evening edition by then. The Traveler ceased publication in the fall of 1966, and the morning and Sunday Herald became the Herald-Traveler. I believe the consolidation of the Record and the American also resulted in only a morning paper. When Hearst bought the HT, the result was the Herald Traveler Record American mornings and the Sunday Herald Traveler and Sunday Advertiser on Sunday. No evening paper. > The names were ridiculed to an early death and Boston Herald > American became the nameplate, surviving through the > transformation into a tabloid in the early 1980s until the reversion > to just Boston Herald when News Corp. bought the paper a few hours > after Hearst suspended publication in the mid 80s. Yes, but I think the Sunday paper used the name "Herald Advertiser" for awhile, too. > Finally, the right-wing nonsense about the Kennedys rigging the Ch. 5 > proceedings have long ago been debunked and need no further > discussion. I don't know, but I long ago noticed that, from the original license grant, every administrative action in favor of the Herald Traveler took place under the Eisenhower administration, while every action against them took place under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. The final shutoff was in the courts, which were legally bound to respect the descretion of administrative agencies, so long as the decision was within the agency's legal authority and supported by substantial evicence. And, if the courts were inclined to be partisan, most Federal judges by 1972 still had been appointed by Democratic Presidents, including a number of Roosevelt and Truman appointees who were still on the bench. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:54 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:54 -0500 Subject: demise of WHDH (AM) was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901041754q5b548d36oe1e21f10a3092528@mail.gmail.com> References: , <4fc429770901041754q5b548d36oe1e21f10a3092528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49615B8A.7400.1E08E8F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 19:54, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Maybe Atty Ross can interject here but is there any way the Times > could just file bankruptcy for the Globe division and keep NY out of > it for now? I know in Chicago the reverse happened when the Tribune > filed by the Cubs are not involved. I don't know what the corporate structure is, and I don't do bankrupty work any more, but if the Globe is a separate corporation, it may be possible to put that corporation into bankruptcy without putting other corporations in. But I don't know that much about how these things work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:54 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:54 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com>, , <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49615B8A.23641.1E08F2F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 22:53, Scott Fybush wrote: > Incidentally, even with just 10 kW, the signal comes in here in > Rochester just fine...and so do KDKA and local WYSL, where Bob Savage > must be very happy these last few days :-) I guess it's the clear channel (lower case) more than the 50,000 watts that gives WBZ its range -- though I hear it's not quite as clear a channel as it used to be. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:54 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:54 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901041427g408b01dg708ae51e505b2bbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com>, <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro>, <4fc429770901041427g408b01dg708ae51e505b2bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49615B8A.25840.1E08DF9@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 16:27, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Baseball fans might nod yes when I say Mac Richmond was the Charlie > Finley of radio. He knew talent but was impossible to work for. So howcum so many people worked for him for so long? (I'm not talking about Fenway or Dan Donovan, who were really a long succession of different people. But what about Mel Miller and Arnie Ginsberg? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 00:59:53 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:59:53 -0500 Subject: Saying Goodbye - Was: Nightcap In-Reply-To: <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro> References: <4fc429770901031501o6d7e7c6cq90e85224be34b088@mail.gmail.com>, <02DC4352EE75401AB30D47BC6E29C1AA@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <49615B89.21905.1E08D4F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Jan 2009 at 16:35, Don A wrote: > > In those days Mac would have jocks on the air 6 or 7 days a week but > > allowed them to record the weekend shows and the jock saw his > > escape. In his last hour WMEX became WBZ complete with jingles and > > he promoted the BZ jocks on the air. He knew Mac was in DC bothering > > WPGC so he knew he could pull it off. The next day Mac fired him and > > the jock happily went to Chicago. > > I would think under those circumstances the non-compete would still be > in effect. > > (In those days it was, what...500 miles....i.e...Williams vs Richmond > Brothers.) The case actually was between Richmond Brothers and Westinghouse, not because Gerald Jacoby aka Jerry Williams was on the air in Chicago (which Richmond didn't care about) but because he came back to Boston on WBZ within the five years. The case reached the Supreme Judicial Court, which decided that Richmond Brothers had gotten enough benefit from the noncompete. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 01:03:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:03:39 -0600 Subject: Ordway re-enlists In-Reply-To: <49619B2E.9070400@gabrielmass.com> References: <49619B2E.9070400@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901042203x5960cba6me6a164cb35d1605f@mail.gmail.com> Me thinks the negotiations were pretty simple. Ordway simply said 'I want to make more than Howie'' I suspect a deal is in place with NESN already given the demise of Bob Ryan's show. In any event this should end rumors about another station flipping to sports. For it to work you would have needed Ordway to be the anchor. From mike@miscon.net Mon Jan 5 01:09:16 2009 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:09:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: Overnight America In-Reply-To: <8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com><003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1231135756.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Sorry, I had the wrong title... Overnight America From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Jan 5 01:24:22 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:24:22 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:59 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4 Jan 2009 at 4:57, Bill Smith wrote: > >> So Hearst bought the Herald and tried to remain an AM/PM >> combination, as the "Boston Herald Traveler and Record American" in >> the morning and "Record American and Boston Herald Traveler" in the >> evening. > > Not quite. Neither paper had an evening edition by then. The > Traveler ceased publication in the fall of 1966, and the morning and > Sunday Herald became the Herald-Traveler. I believe the > consolidation of the Record and the American also resulted in only a > morning paper. When Hearst bought the HT, the result was the Herald > Traveler Record American mornings and the Sunday Herald Traveler and > Sunday Advertiser on Sunday. No evening paper. But that's not quite the story either. The Record American had a "Sunrise edition" with red pictures of the sun across the top, which came out in the morning, and a "Home edition" the night before with a green stripe across the top. It had all the features and carried the date of the next morning's paper, but it hit the street in time for the evening commute. I think there were a couple of evening editions for closing stocks and maybe some racing results. So by dateline and masthead it was a morning paper, but in reality it was an all-day paper. The Herald Traveler and Record American; and Record American and Herald Traveler continued that publication schedule but not for long. The switching of the masthead names ended along with the evening edition, then it became the Herald American as the paper got a badly needed facelift. Whoever had thought it was a good idea to replace the region's largest daily circulation paper with the design of the city's smallest paper, was not thinking too clearly. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 5 01:33:10 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:33:10 -0500 Subject: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone References: <20081231155256.sqd19xpy8gw8ok4c@shawsheen.com> <0KCR00K34N5MVI30@asmtp012.mac.com><7E22E570F5454239AE0DADB180E363FC@wesels><4960F4B9.7010900@iname.com> <81C3FF2DE3784BEEAE04F71018972295@wesels> Message-ID: <002201c96eff$7b1bb8e0$668b4c0c@oemcomputer> Same on WVIT New Britain-Hartford, local radar/forecasts only but still branded Weather Plus. Universal Sports is running on the other subchannel. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Smith To: Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: RE: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone > KSDK is running Weather Plus with only local STL area weather. No sign of > NBC or national weather. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ward [mailto:mpward@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ward > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:41 AM > To: Bill Smith > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WHDH NBC Weather Plus is finally gone > > Bill Smith wrote: > > > As of today, Sunday, out here in St. Louis, Weather Plus is still alive > and > > well on Charter Cable. > > The national, official Weather Plus feed went away for everyone sometime > on the 31st. > > Has the station done what ours (WKYC/Cleveland) did? It has managed to > keep the Weather Plus "L" graphics, minus the logo, and is running > continuous radar feeds... with generic weather theme music in a loop... > the Weather Plus" logo now just reads "3 WEATHER".. > > You can watch it yourself here: > > http://www.wkyc.com/video/weather/weather_plus/default.aspx > > Like for you, the feed is still on Time Warner Cable 372...though it was > announced that would go away. > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 5 01:39:43 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:39:43 -0500 Subject: the day WHDH ended In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901042146g5997fb5bw50b90e8e856ae2b3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770901042146g5997fb5bw50b90e8e856ae2b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105063957.687D41DA29D@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:46 AM 1/5/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I can't even fathom what it must have been like to go from working for >CBS (when it WAS CBS) to Papa Gino's Pizza. It was like CBS just >wanted to destroy everything they had built in Boston. And the folks who owned WEEI back then (Helen Broadcasting) were ultra-ultra righties, not that there's anything wrong with that, but they tried to slant the news, which had historically been neutral and fair. Kevin wrote-- >Somebody must have the WHDH archives locked away. Bob and Ray, Jess >Cain, Bob Clayton, Fred B. Cole, Norm Nathan and many others something >must have survived. Oh how I'd love to find them. I have a collection of many newspaper articles from all the available papers which discussed the various changes, but it's not the same as having the actual archival materials. You asked about Carlo-- he was a wonderful person-- Carlo LaGrotteria, I believe was his full name. He passed away a few years ago. But what I've seen all too often, and Scott knows this too, is that when new owners come in, they often throw their archives into the dumpster... sigh... From bill.smith@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 03:57:11 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:57:11 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20901050057w59d3eb08sc78cfaaaa89548ed@mail.gmail.com> Joe is correct that the Hearst PM paper was the Evening American, the name having been changed from the Evening Record in 1921. The Traveler suspended publication in the spring of 1967 following a newspaper strike. The Record-American was an "all day" paper with its first dated edition issued for street sales the evening before the publication date. It published a full morning editions and replated through the day. Hearst absolutely had a PM paper; if for no other reason than for the circulation boost derived from getting the 'street number' into circulation. I concede that merger is a tricky -- and perhaps ultimately incorrect -- word to use in the Herald/Record combination. I'm not sure that the concept of sale of intellectual property was around in 1972, but I do know that Hearst bought the Herald-Traveler newspaper assets (such as they were) including not just the plant and some kind of vague "intellectual property," but the circulation lists and obligations as well. If you got a Herald on your doorstep one Saturday morning in June, 1972, you got a H-T-R-A the following Monday and you were expected to honor your contract and pay for it. But then H-T Corp did formally pull the plug on the H-T before the sale closed, because Hearst didn't want to inherit obligations for severance and guaranteed employment under the H-T collective bargaining agreements with the typos and guild. And wh ile a number of H-T writers and craftspeople stayed with the new paper, many were fired, and several Herald staffers, most prominent being Muriel Cohen, David Farrell and Frank Dahl, went to the Globe. I appreciate Mark Laurence confirming my memory of 36 years ago that there was indeed an afternoon version of the combined paper with the nameplate reversed. The Herald-Traveler reportedly lost $5m in 1971 while WHDH-TV made $6m. Shareholders, who were willing to endure the red ink while the prospect of Boston losing the newspaper was one of its few remaining arguments for keeping the profitable TV station, started demanding liquidation after the TV battle was lost. Not a chain in the country would touch the Boston Herald Traveler because newspapers and publishers were consolidating rapidly at the time. Boston had lost a paper only four years previous and New York had seen the failure of Hearst's own DailyMirror eight years before and the merger and subsequent failure of E. W. Scripps Co.'s World-Telegram and Sun, Jock Whitney's Herald-Tribune, and Hearst's Journal-American in the same year that the Traveler died. There was no appetite for turn-arounds in the Northeast. As for the Kennedys being major players in the tv license battle , the Globe had ample reason of its own to take aim at the Herald: "Allegedly, Herald-Traveler's representative Choate, during 1955 and 1956, had urged a merger of the Traveler publications with the Globe papers, and had sought to upset the Globe's financing of its projected new plant. In an affidavit by the Globe's treasurer, one John I. Taylor, it was further charged that on January 31, 1956, Choate had threatened 'Of course if I get Channel 5 I may drive you out of business.' An affidavit by one Reid charged Choate with saying on March 10, 1956, 'Wait until we get our TV station and see what happens.'" *Massachusetts Bay Telecasters v. FCC et. al.* 261 F.2d 55 (1958). Incidentally, two of the three judges on that DC Circuit panel were Eisenhower appointees and the decision was not entirely favorable to WHDH; by the time the final appeals court decision came down in 1971, the panel had evolved to two LBJ appointees, and one named by Nixon. Note also that FCC appointments overlap elections; they are for five year terms, with party-balancing required. Whatever happened to Rose Marie Van Camp? And Andy MacMillan makes two. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 07:20:56 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:20:56 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <276905057A654716B4016FC7A7E242D4@DHPP0DB1> > It's funny to watch the speculation on some of the DX lists about what's > going on. It's just the backup transmitter in Allston, which is > analog-only; there appears to have been a failure of the program line > out to the main transmitter in Hull, and until it's fixed, it's 10 kW > analog from Allston. Actually they're back on with full power from Hull, but the HD remains off. I'm sure it'll be back soon though. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 09:04:43 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:04:43 -0600 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20901050057w59d3eb08sc78cfaaaa89548ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> <3ffa0ce20901050057w59d3eb08sc78cfaaaa89548ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901050604m6f6d69d2t4761002f1755a91d@mail.gmail.com> My memories of the Record-American printing schedule in the late 60's goes like this. The first 'bulldog' edition (with the next days date would hit the streets around 3 PM and was called HOME edition Around 5 a second edition would arrive which was called '7 RACES' which would have the probable street number (but was unofficial) Around 7 a third edition that was called 'PAYOFF' which would be the official street number. Sometimes the bookies in the North End would change the track that the number to limit exposure. Around Midnight the FINAL edition would appear and finally at 5 AM the SUNRISE edition. (they also printed a Cambridge-Somerville edition at that time) Before they combined the names on the masthead..the Record was the bulldog paper and the American the morning. The Traveler when it was a evening paper printed 2 or 3 editions. One came out at NOON...the second at 3 PM and the Stocks Final a little after 5 PM. I have the last Sunday Boston Herald Traveler which contains many four letter words inserted by disgruntled linotype operators who were losing their jobs. The final paper actually cover one of Boston's biggest tragedies the fire at the Hotel Vendome where many firefighters were killed. From mike@miscon.net Mon Jan 5 09:26:35 2009 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:26:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: Overnight America debut (audio link) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901050604m6f6d69d2t4761002f1755a91d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com> <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com> <3ffa0ce20901050057w59d3eb08sc78cfaaaa89548ed@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901050604m6f6d69d2t4761002f1755a91d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1231165595.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> First 11 and a half minutes of Overnight America as heard on WBZ (via a crappy tape I grabbed at the last minute). Goes into first break, no callers; though for the record, the first three callers were NOT from the WBZ listening area. Thought you might want to hear it. http://www.miscon.net/audio/wbzoa.mp3 Mike From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 07:59:10 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:59:10 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <276905057A654716B4016FC7A7E242D4@DHPP0DB1> References: <49618428.4050803@fybush.com> <276905057A654716B4016FC7A7E242D4@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105075209.03902190@plymouthcolony.net> At 07:20 AM 1/5/2009, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >Actually they're back on with full power from Hull, but the HD remains off. >I'm sure it'll be back soon though. I don't recall seeing the answer to this on the list - does anyone know what type of digital link 'BZ is using to Hull (digital STL, T1, etc.)? Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to find local singles for dating, romance and fun http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw23XmTbInKXeAW5wq9JC4xHGU8JzkDuwYaxpT08rpCBxo3Ey/ From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 07:57:43 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:57:43 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105075515.038e9e90@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:36 AM 1/5/2009, Brian Vita wrote: >Most folks under 30 that I've run into equate listening to AM as I would >consider listening to white noise. This is coming from people who love MP3s and hyper-processed CDs? Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare high quality air compressors. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2RmzHzT3v4Ap7cgcUl8Dik8TMjimxKNtAdO2lunUvq20rDQ/ From mrschuyler@aol.com Mon Jan 5 09:37:17 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:37:17 -0500 Subject: Cancer Surgery for AM Radio Message-ID: <8CB3D5A3E700483-108C-221A@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> I doubt there's a single person on this board who doesn't feel a twinge of sadness whenever an AM?radio station goes dark, no matter how lousy a station it may have been in recent decades.? I feel that twinge myself; the feeling of "what might have been, if only it weren't for...." (too much deregulation in the 80s, the Telecommunications Act of '96, the FCC's analog AM stereo fiasco, interference from ExxonMobile's Speed Pass gas pumps, iPods, Wall Street, etc.). But it's time to set aside nostalgia and get practical.? It's time to thin the herd. AM Radio has two problems: audio quality (for which HD may or may not be the answer), and programming content.? And there's no point in fixing the sound if there's nothing worthwhile to be heard. No one wants the government to regulate programming, except a few people who go nuclear whenever a Howard Stern wannabe acts up.? The FCC is entitled to regulate the way in which business is conducted, and in that way exert some influence over what is broadcast.? But since 1996, a new era of laissez-faire business and near monopolization has enabled today's broadcast corporations to become modern day robber barons and small-time broadcast owners to be as?unethical and irresponsible as they like. No, I don't want a return to the way things were before Mark Fowler's FCC chairmanship.? Not entirely, at least.? But the time has come to thin the herd.? The handful of AM stations still attempting to do a credible job of at least sounding like yesterday's pillars of the community are surrounded by schlock:? non-stop infomercials, paid religion (most of it fundamentalist and some of it political), and wall-to-wall national talk shows (mostly ultra-right) with no local information whatsoever.? The stations who don't engage in these acts of desperation who benefit greatly if the "junk" stations would just curl up and die.? So I say, let's pull the plug. With the exception of some ethnic programs, the practice of selling blocks of time for program-length commercials is not in the public interest, convenience or necessity.? There's no justification for it beyond keeping?ailing stations afloat.? Let them sink.? What is the point of keeping these pseudo-stations on the air when not only does no one tune in, but their mere presence discourages people from tuning into AM at all?? Let's save the electricity and free up the spectrum space for someone somewhere who aspires to be a broadcaster, not a charlatan.? There are people in small communities all over the country who want to put new stations on the air, but there's no room.? Clear them a path. Here are some proposals to this end: 1)? No radio station may devote more than one-third of its total weekly broadcast hours to leased time arrangements. 2)? Make license renewal more difficult for stations that can't or won't devote at least one hour a week to a locally-originated news or public affairs program of some type (broadcast on day pattern!). 3)? Provide whopping tax breaks to owners who sell their dried-up cash cows to first time buyers who are either non-profit civic organizations or minority-owned entities.? (I'd love to stop them from selling to any more churches but that'll never fly.) 4)? Establish more publicly responsible ownership limits.? We can debate endlessly over what those limits might be.? To me, 50 AMs, 50 FMs, and 50 TV stations nationally, with no more than two of each in any given market, sounds reasonable.? I used to opposed newspaper cross-ownership, but give modern realities I think some accomodation can be made for that as well.? These limits will prevent small-time schlockmeisters from selling out to bigger schlockmeisters. Let the games begin. ---schuyler From wvnh@wvnh.net Mon Jan 5 10:02:12 2009 From: wvnh@wvnh.net (Jack Marshall) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:02:12 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496220F4.1010401@wvnh.net> > Subject: > Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > From: > "Dick Summer" > Date: > Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:00:31 -0500 > To: > "BostonRadio Mailing List" > , "Larry Weil" > > > Larry, If you or any of your friends know any of the non political talk > talent that was just laid off in the CBS Radio Disaster, please ask them > to contact me at dick@dicksummer.com I'm planning on starting a > streaming web station shortly, and it would be interesting to have some > of them involved. > > Thanks. > > Dick Summer Just wondering, have you spoken to Bruce about this idea? Jack From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 5 11:33:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: Overnight America References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com><003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com><.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> <.65.96.208.107.1231135756.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> Anyone else listen to the debut show? I listened for about an hour--from about 1:50 to 2:50. One thing really impressed me: the local board-opping was absolutely first rate! Does 'BZ completely automate this for a birdfeed program source or is there (presumably because of a union contract) a live board-op on duty? If so, which union does she/he belong to. The job that I heard is certainly deserving of a good deal more than minimum wage. What I heard was absolutely flawless! As for the show itself, I didn't expect to be impressed. However, there was a chance that with my low expectations, I might actually have been pleased. I was not pleased. What I heard did not live up even to my low expectations. I don't think I will warm up to the host's voice or delivery, and his choice of topics was a disaster. Was it the worst talk show I've ever heard? No, far from it. However, does it warrant being carried on those four killer skywave signals (KMOX, WCCO, KDKA, WBZ)? Hardly! I believe that CBS could have done a lot better for probably no more money. To begin with, the selection of St Louis as the origination point might have been a mistake. Could St Louis have been selected because of its geographically central location? Years ago, nationwide toll-free lines to the MO/KS/NE area were less expensive than toll-free lines to places at the corners (New England, FL, CA, WA). Is that still true? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Keith Fornal" Cc: "boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradi" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Overnight America > Sorry, I had the wrong title... Overnight America From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 5 11:43:12 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:43:12 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> The revised schedule page at the WBZ site says Grayson is on mid to 5 am. The show originates from KMOX and airs Mid-5 Central time, 1-6 am here, but of course WBZ goes to local news at 5; perhaps WBZ is airing the last hour (5-6 our time) on a tape delay the next night? From gallen2@nescaum.org Mon Jan 5 11:44:01 2009 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:44:01 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? Message-ID: >From: "Dale H. Cook" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:59:10 -0500 >Subject: RE: no HD on BZ? >I don't recall seeing the answer to this on the list - does anyone know what type of digital link 'BZ is using to Hull (digital STL, T1, etc.)? The answer from their CE today: "Old fashion 15kHz broadcast loops." Which I assume means Telco analog. Amazing... -- George From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 12:08:31 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:08:31 -0600 Subject: Overnight America In-Reply-To: <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> <.65.96.208.107.1231135756.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770901050908g2e922e6bie2069d0ecfd10ec5@mail.gmail.com> WBZ Radio master control is still under IBEW local 1228. When there is a producer-screener there all master was doing was to babysit the delay and control the final pot to the STL. He/she is probably delighted to be doing something now. Union rules have been relaxed but in the 70's IBEW controlled anything with a VU meter. Westinghouse then ordered combo boards with no meters and jocks were just told to go full pot on everything. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 12:07:30 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:07:30 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> At 11:44 AM 1/5/2009, George Allen wrote: > >I don't recall seeing the answer to this on the list - does anyone > know what type of digital link 'BZ is using to Hull (digital STL, T1, etc.)? > >The answer from their CE today: >"Old fashion 15kHz broadcast loops." >Which I assume means Telco analog. Amazing... That means that their A-D conversion is done at the transmitter site. The copper out to Hull may be old enough to preclude higher-bandwidth circuits. I would think, though, that there would be fiber on the peninsula. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2P5sp3GtlIQFoYsVE2z81f3VKEyyKE3n93mkF8nhI8AULJE/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 5 12:32:47 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:32:47 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090105173303.494D81CF2FA@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:43 AM 1/5/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >The revised schedule page at the WBZ site says Grayson is on mid to >5 am. The show originates from KMOX and airs >Mid-5 Central time, 1-6 am here, but of course WBZ goes to local >news at 5; perhaps WBZ is airing the last hour (5-6 our time) >on a tape delay the next night? I heard whoever was on at about 4.30 AM getting severely chastized by callers-- they weren't blaming him personally but they were saying they are gonna call the FCC, that getting rid of Leveille and local talk was wrong, etc etc. The host (whoever he was) said he understood and didn't take this opportunity lightly. From Dick@dicksummer.com Mon Jan 5 13:37:06 2009 From: Dick@dicksummer.com (Dick Summer) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:37:06 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090105173303.494D81CF2FA@relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <2066B2E822494F28A5A4D74B946D384A@yourxhtr8hvc4p> Donna, if you know any of the guys who were let go in this blood letting, please ask them to get in touch with me. I'm going to a streaming internet station, starting with my podcasts www.dicksummer.com/podcast/latest. They may be interested in jumping in with input of their own. I want to make a "Personal Radio" internet station. Non - Political talk, done by entertaining, highly professional, honest to God real people. No money...at least not now. But a lot of personal satisfaction, and a platform to be heard all around the world. My e-mail is Dick@DickSummer.com Thanks. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "Jack Marshall" ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > At 11:43 AM 1/5/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >>The revised schedule page at the WBZ site says Grayson is on mid to >>5 am. The show originates from KMOX and airs >>Mid-5 Central time, 1-6 am here, but of course WBZ goes to local >>news at 5; perhaps WBZ is airing the last hour (5-6 our time) >>on a tape delay the next night? > > I heard whoever was on at about 4.30 AM getting severely chastized by > callers-- they weren't blaming him personally but they were saying > they are gonna call the FCC, that getting rid of Leveille and local > talk was wrong, etc etc. The host (whoever he was) said he > understood and didn't take this opportunity lightly. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 14:04:54 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:04:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I believe that 'BZ's main telco STL path requires them to go through upwards of 15 Central Offices to get that audio from Soldiers Field Road to Hull. I can only imagine if only ONE of those telco CO's were to breach, good luck trying to find the actual offending circuit quickly. But, a BIG station like WBZ ALWAYS has backups (I hope). There's always microwave (good luck with SO much multipath prevalent on that water path to Hull). Fiber? Maybe. Satellite uplink, easy. "They're C-B-S!". > > > >I don't recall seeing the answer to this on > the list - does anyone know what type of digital link > 'BZ is using to Hull (digital STL, T1, etc.)? > > > > The answer from their CE today: > > "Old fashion 15kHz broadcast loops." > > Which I assume means Telco analog. Amazing... > > That means that their A-D conversion is done at the > transmitter site. The copper out to Hull may be old enough > to preclude higher-bandwidth circuits. I would think, > though, that there would be fiber on the peninsula. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 5 14:28:54 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:28:54 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I suspect that you are correct, which suggests to me that whoever at CBS was involved with planning this fiasco is as bad with the details as he is with the big picture. Clearly, the live feed should run from 11:00PM to 4:00AM Central time. KMOX and WCCO are in the Central zone so they would have to delay the 11:00 to midnight hour and air it from 4:00 to 5:00AM their time. Thus there would be no live calls from the Central zone during the first hour of the show in the East. But that's better than starting the show in the East with an hour from the previous night (or on Monday morning, starting the show in the East with the last hour of the previous Friday's show). Getting the Eastern callers started on the previous show's topics will really mess up the continuity. If KMOX does not have the studio facilities that would allow staring the feed at 11:00PM Central, that's one more reason for not selecting St Louis as the origination point. Having the out-of-sequence hour appear at the end of the show and on the same night but in the Central zone would have a much less destructive effect. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Jack Marshall" ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais The revised schedule page at the WBZ site says Grayson is on mid to 5 am. The show originates from KMOX and airs Mid-5 Central time, 1-6 am here, but of course WBZ goes to local news at 5; perhaps WBZ is airing the last hour (5-6 our time) on a tape delay the next night? From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 14:47:24 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:47:24 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> At 02:04 PM 1/5/2009, Peter Q. George wrote: >I believe that 'BZ's main telco STL path requires them to go through >upwards of 15 Central Offices to get that audio from Soldiers Field >Road to Hull. It shouldn't - nowadays in a Baby Bell special circuits within a LATA usually go from the CO for one terminus to a central location serving the whole LATA, via a high-capacity digital circuit, then to the CO for the other terminus via another high-capacity digital circuit. In this case the studios and transmitter are in different area codes, and so presumably in different LATAs. In that case, instead of the central location serving the whole LATA, substitute a long-distance carrier ("the cloud"). Unless the analog program lines are running on the same type of Western Electric hardware used in the 1960s they would follow one of the two types of path described in the two preceding paragraphs. Daisy-chaining through a series of COs is, IMHO, out of the question. As a side note, nowadays most "analog" radio program circuits are actually digital circuits with A/D and D/A at the termini. 'BZ, however, may still be copper from each terminus to its CO, with conventional telco equalizers. >There's always microwave (good luck with SO much multipath prevalent >on that water path to Hull). Multipath doesn't occur over water, but refraction can occur (curable by space diversity reception). There would not be a direct microwave shot from studios to transmitter, though - it would have to be hopped via, say, the top of the Pru. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ROkB43VWzBjAzS7lnnnf7fcfHgK86JTWzF2tx3GdznWFY6/ From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 14:52:44 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:44 -0600 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901051152j29029848pf31278adfb234fc8@mail.gmail.com> A couple of years ago I asked somebody at channel 4 master what kind of backup they had if the main link to Needham went down. He laughed and said xmtr could pick up WCBS-TV from the bird if signal was down more than 5 minutes. What makes me laugh (or cry) is today if somebody brought in 16mm film to channel 4 they would have no way of getting it on the air. That reminds me of one of my better memories. One Monday night when I was working summer relief at channel 4 the Red Sox game was on NBC Monday Night Baseball BUT under rules of that time we had to run the backup game from Houston. The backup game ended in record short time and Jim Simpson said 'Good Night from the Astrodome' AT&T was under orders not to send us the main network feed until 11:29:29. I looked to see what kind of filler we had and there was a reel that said filler 30 minutes so up it went. Turns out it was the second reel of a Tarzan movie. Ah those were the days..... From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 5 15:52:53 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In this case the studios and transmitter are in different area codes, > and so presumably in different LATAs. Erroneous presumption. There are two LATAs in Massachusetts. The Eastern Massachusetts LATA (128) has eight area codes (617, 508, 781, 978, with one overlay on each). The Western Mass. LATA is just NPA 413. > Multipath doesn't occur over water, but refraction can occur (curable > by space diversity reception). There would not be a direct microwave > shot from studios to transmitter, though - it would have to be hopped > via, say, the top of the Pru. Over Boston Harbor there is also the issue of the seasonal temperature inversion. -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 15:54:19 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:54:19 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901050604m6f6d69d2t4761002f1755a91d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com>, <3ffa0ce20901050057w59d3eb08sc78cfaaaa89548ed@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770901050604m6f6d69d2t4761002f1755a91d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49622D2B.23390.58EDEE@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Jan 2009 Kevin Vahey wrote: > Before they combined the names on the masthead..the Record was the > bulldog paper and the American the morning. Whatever the actual schedules, the Record was CALLED the morning paper and the American was CALLED the evening paper. I believe I sometimes heard it referred to as the Evening American. I seem to recall that after the newspaper strike in the late 1950s (1957, I think), the American was the first paper back after the strike, and it came out around noon. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 5 15:54:19 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:54:19 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: demise of WHDH (AM) In-Reply-To: References: <3ffa0ce20901040157w43c89ff3l9ba42162f846052e@mail.gmail.com>, <49615B89.29263.1E08C68@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <49622D2B.11728.58EEB9@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Jan 2009 Mark Laurence wrote: > The Herald Traveler and Record American; and Record American and > Herald Traveler continued that publication schedule but not for long. > The switching of the masthead names ended along with the evening > edition, then it became the Herald American as the paper got a badly > needed facelift. Whoever had thought it was a good idea to replace > the region's largest daily circulation paper with the design of the > city's smallest paper, was not thinking too clearly. I never heard anything a the time about a Record American Herald Traveler. The names were always the other way around. Some people abbreviated it by calling it the Herald Record. The joke was calling it the Herald Traveler Record American Times Examiner Item. As I recall, it became the Herald American some time before it returned to the tabloid format. I also think the Sunday paper may have gone to the tabloid format before the daily paper (although for many years the Sunday Advertiser was a broadsheet). -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 5 16:07:29 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:07:29 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49627691.1090106@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> In this case the studios and transmitter are in different area codes, >> and so presumably in different LATAs. > > Erroneous presumption. There are two LATAs in Massachusetts. The > Eastern Massachusetts LATA (128) has eight area codes (617, 508, 781, > 978, with one overlay on each). The Western Mass. LATA is just NPA > 413. And with good reason...the LATA system was established around the time of the AT&T breakup, when there was just 617 and 413. Used to be, in my BZ days, that I had all the "old" 617 exchanges memorized - and at that point, there still wasn't that much duplication between 617 and 508 yet. Ironically, my current LATA here in Rochester was just half an NPA when it was formed, since 716 extended across a huge swath of western New York from Rochester's eastern suburbs through Buffalo and down to the PA line. But the 716 territory served by indie Rochester Telephone (now Frontier) was a separate LATA from the rest of the area served by New York Telephone/NYNEX/BA/Verizon. After we split off from 716 and became 585, the lines were drawn by county. All of present 716 is in the Buffalo LATA, I'm pretty sure, but there were portions of 585 served by NYTel/NYNEX/BA/Verizon that are also in Buffalo's LATA. The entire Rochester LATA, I'm pretty sure, is now in 585. (Not that there's much cause these days to contemplate the difference between inter-LATA and intra-LATA calling, anyway, what with flat-rate plans and cellphones and suchlike.) s From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Jan 5 16:18:09 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:18:09 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? Message-ID: <200901052118.n05LIRTe048320@tsornin.bostonradio.org> One of my fellow ham operators, Dick in Auburn (N1JET) is one of the few guys left at Verizon who actually works on these broadcast circuits. Let me run the scenario by him and get his opinion. Gary -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [ mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dale H. Cook Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:47 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: no HD on BZ? At 02:04 PM 1/5/2009, Peter Q. George wrote: >I believe that 'BZ's main telco STL path requires them to go through >upwards of 15 Central Offices to get that audio from Soldiers Field >Road to Hull. It shouldn't - nowadays in a Baby Bell special circuits within a LATA usually go from the CO for one terminus to a central location serving the whole LATA, via a high-capacity digital circuit, then to the CO for the other terminus via another high-capacity digital circuit. In this case the studios and transmitter are in different area codes, and so presumably in different LATAs. In that case, instead of the central location serving the whole LATA, substitute a long-distance carrier ("the cloud"). Unless the analog program lines are running on the same type of Western Electric hardware used in the 1960s they would follow one of the two types of path described in the two preceding paragraphs. Daisy-chaining through a series of COs is, IMHO, out of the question. As a side note, nowadays most "analog" radio program circuits are actually digital circuits with A/D and D/A at the termini. 'BZ, however, may still be copper from each terminus to its CO, with conventional telco equalizers. >There's always microwave (good luck with SO much multipath prevalent on >that water path to Hull). Multipath doesn't occur over water, but refraction can occur (curable by space diversity reception). There would not be a direct microwave shot from studios to transmitter, though - it would have to be hopped via, say, the top of the Pru. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ From garyfrancis@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 16:20:14 2009 From: garyfrancis@comcast.net (Gary Francis) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:20:14 -0500 Subject: FW: RE: no HD on BZ? Message-ID: <200901052120.n05LKWjK048712@tsornin.bostonradio.org> One of my fellow ham operators, Dick in Auburn (N1JET) is one of the few guys left at Verizon who actually works on these broadcast circuits. Let me run the scenario by him and get his opinion. Gary -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [ mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dale H. Cook Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:47 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: no HD on BZ? At 02:04 PM 1/5/2009, Peter Q. George wrote: >I believe that 'BZ's main telco STL path requires them to go through >upwards of 15 Central Offices to get that audio from Soldiers Field >Road to Hull. It shouldn't - nowadays in a Baby Bell special circuits within a LATA usually go from the CO for one terminus to a central location serving the whole LATA, via a high-capacity digital circuit, then to the CO for the other terminus via another high-capacity digital circuit. In this case the studios and transmitter are in different area codes, and so presumably in different LATAs. In that case, instead of the central location serving the whole LATA, substitute a long-distance carrier ("the cloud"). Unless the analog program lines are running on the same type of Western Electric hardware used in the 1960s they would follow one of the two types of path described in the two preceding paragraphs. Daisy-chaining through a series of COs is, IMHO, out of the question. As a side note, nowadays most "analog" radio program circuits are actually digital circuits with A/D and D/A at the termini. 'BZ, however, may still be copper from each terminus to its CO, with conventional telco equalizers. >There's always microwave (good luck with SO much multipath prevalent on >that water path to Hull). Multipath doesn't occur over water, but refraction can occur (curable by space diversity reception). There would not be a direct microwave shot from studios to transmitter, though - it would have to be hopped via, say, the top of the Pru. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 5 16:28:15 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:28:15 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched Message-ID: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://wbz1030.com/pages/2945.php Now they're saying the show is 1-5 am after all. On Sunday nights, Jordan Rich continues till 1 am. Other nights, Dan Rea continues. No idea of these extra hours are rebroadcasts of previous hours. A five hour shift for Dan? Example: >>Monday 8:00 PM - 12:00 AM: Nightside with Dan Rea Tuesday 12:00 AM - 1:00 AM: Nightside with Dan Rea 1:00 AM - 5:00 AM: Overnight America, with Jon Grayson From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 18:31:32 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:31:32 -0500 Subject: Overnight America In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901050908g2e922e6bie2069d0ecfd10ec5@mail.gmail.com> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com> <003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com> <.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> <.65.96.208.107.1231135756.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770901050908g2e922e6bie2069d0ecfd10ec5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49629854.6070004@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Westinghouse then ordered combo boards with no meters > and jocks were just told to go full pot on everything. You gotta wonder about the wizard who hatched that master agreement language. Enough holes to drive a Mack truck through. Bill O'Neill From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 17:30:16 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:30:16 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <49627691.1090106@fybush.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49627691.1090106@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105172900.03a72b10@plymouthcolony.net> At 04:07 PM 1/5/2009, Scott Fybush wrote: >Not that there's much cause these days to contemplate the difference >between inter-LATA and intra-LATA calling, anyway, what with >flat-rate plans and cellphones and suchlike. Broadcast special services and data services such as T1 are another matter, though. :-) Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Save hundreds on Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1W3kGajNl1jDovFDLLAhhNB55sVS195NuivHYwYn6ErAJ5e/ From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Jan 5 17:28:16 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:28:16 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105170851.038e6428@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:52 PM 1/5/2009, Garrett Wollman wrote: >There are two LATAs in Massachusetts. Thanks for the clarification, LATA 128 covers more territory than I would have expected. I was, admittedly, shooting in the dark concerning Massachusetts LATAs as I moved south the year before the AT&T breakup and so never had to deal with LATAs in New England. >Over Boston Harbor there is also the issue of the seasonal temperature >inversion. I mentioned refraction, and a temperature inversion is one possible cause. Another possible, and I would expect more likely in the case of 'BZ, cause is extremely high humidity above the water in the summer. In general, anything that greatly increases atmospheric density along the microwave path can cause refraction. My experience in the matter comes from my years in eastern North Carolina, where microwave paths crossing coastal sounds and swamps are subject to refraction. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3huIbaNUr0LsY1ajFC46MtH5jgCric2e4ssatxouIYi8BUk/ From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 18:34:30 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:34:30 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: <20090105164313.4335583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49629906.6060005@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Having the > out-of-sequence hour appear at the end of the show and on the same > night but in the Central zone would have a much less destructive > effect. That's the least of their problems. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jan 5 19:12:53 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:12:53 -0500 Subject: Overnight America In-Reply-To: <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> References: <49617F57.1020103@gabrielmass.com><003801c96ef7$8429a8f0$8c7cfad0$@com><.65.96.208.107.1231134711.squirrel@mail.miscon.net><8FAE2688E0E34256B2D4DB9326C00BCB@KeithPC> <.65.96.208.107.1231135756.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <5DE27D8FAEA8476FA7E53635A10C7B7C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4962A205.1040809@ttlc.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > As for the show itself, I didn't expect to be impressed. However, > there was a chance that with my low expectations, I might actually > have been pleased. I was not pleased. What I heard did not live up > even to my low expectations. I don't think I will warm up to the > host's voice or delivery, and his choice of topics was a disaster. Yes, but once you know that Jon Grayson & Hal Steinbrenner were in the same 8th grade class in 1983, the whole show takes on a new meaning. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/Trogdor42/MeandHal.jpg From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Jan 5 19:59:00 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:59:00 -0500 Subject: FCC DTV vs analog coverage change maps In-Reply-To: <380-2200915251256562@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200915251256562@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > Broadcast Engineering Magazine online 1-01-09 article > refers to Dec 23 FCC publishing of Expected DTV coverage by market. > > It predicts WBPX-TV Boston, to have a gain in coverage area > (i.e. no viewer losing analog service and 1.1 million gaining digital > service) If you think WBPX-TV or WYDN are gaining a big area, look at the gains for WNYA Pittsfield. Maybe they don't gain as many viewers, but their coverage area sure does. Their transmitter moves from Pittsfield to west of Albany. I guess COL really doesn't matter any more! Paul From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 5 20:25:46 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:46 -0500 Subject: Barry Farber Message-ID: <14452B5670C045D491A7B092BDCE0F9D@SatU205S5044> Farber must be in his eighties although he sounds much younger. Indeed, he doesn't sound any different to me now than he did when I listened to him more than 50 years ago in New York. Can't remember what station he was on back then. Might have been WOR or WMCA. Well, he's on in the wee hours (2:00 to 4:00AM, I believe) on WBIX 1060 and on Alex Langer's two networks CRNI (Cable Radio) and NRN (National Radio). If you think that Farber's politics agree with mine in any way shape or form, you are wrong. Farber calls himself a Conservative--and boy, is he ever! He also appears to take no listener calls. Of course, he didn't take calls when I listened to him in New York either, because nobody was doing two-way telephone talk at the time. Anyhow, he just talks--pretty obviously without a script, but apparently also without notes. It's a wonder that he can do that coherently for two hours a night five nights a week, and be--in my opinion--consistenly and remarkably entertaining. The guy really knows how to spin a yarn and he knows lots of yarns, most of them disparaging to Democrats. He is, I guess, a throwback to Jean Sheppard although his subject matter is quite different and not as broadly appealing. He also has an incredible sense of timing--leaving the listener hanging on the edge of a cliff as he goes into each commercial break. If you've never heard Farber and you can pick up WBIX at night, you really have to make it a point to listen. And if you are familiar with Farber, my guess is that you will be delighted to find him again. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 20:33:11 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:33:11 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> George Allen wrote: > The answer from their CE today: > "Old fashion 15kHz broadcast loops." > Which I assume means Telco analog. Amazing... > -- George Someone must have hoarded a boathouse of Western Electric devices for said purpose. Wise! Bill O' From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 5 19:38:24 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:38:24 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105172900.03a72b10@plymouthcolony.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105120453.038e75d8@plymouthcolony.net> <150630.9837.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105142054.039ffe58@plymouthcolony.net> <18786.29477.193657.56208@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49627691.1090106@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090105172900.03a72b10@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <4962A800.1010506@fybush.com> Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 04:07 PM 1/5/2009, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> Not that there's much cause these days to contemplate the difference >> between inter-LATA and intra-LATA calling, anyway, what with flat-rate >> plans and cellphones and suchlike. > > Broadcast special services and data services such as T1 are another > matter, though. :-) Quite true...thanks for pointing that out! s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 5 20:46:38 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:46:38 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > George Allen wrote: >> The answer from their CE today: >> "Old fashion 15kHz broadcast loops." >> Which I assume means Telco analog. Amazing... >> -- George > > Someone must have hoarded a boathouse of Western Electric devices for > said purpose. Wise! > > Bill O' Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to "W...please deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". From blainethompson@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 20:53:16 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:53:16 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901051753o466efc1dufa35ac709ddaf41e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to "W...please > deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". The programming that is connected with the business model Brian proposes is completely against FCC rules. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 5 20:55:38 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:55:38 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> Brian Vita wrote: > Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to "W...please > deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". You really want to tempt a guy who has dubs of every master jingle reel from the closet at 1170 tucked away upstairs...AND a copy of Cool Edit on the desktop? :-) s (if I weren't on deadline for Radio Journal right now...) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 5 20:56:48 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:56:48 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901051753o466efc1dufa35ac709ddaf41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <7bded94e0901051753o466efc1dufa35ac709ddaf41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4962BA60.3010202@cssinc.com> Blaine Thompson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Brian Vita wrote: > >> Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to "W...please >> deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". >> > > The programming that is connected with the business model Brian > proposes is completely against FCC rules. > I was referring to their use of telco lines for the STL. From blainethompson@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 20:58:49 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:58:49 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962BA60.3010202@cssinc.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <7bded94e0901051753o466efc1dufa35ac709ddaf41e@mail.gmail.com> <4962BA60.3010202@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901051758x18cd3cbavdff46240ed738f70@mail.gmail.com> Ah. Well, then, I retract my comment and mmm...tasty foot. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 21:08:21 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:08:21 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4962BD15.7060401@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > > (if I weren't on deadline for Radio Journal right now...) Priorities, man, priorities! b - From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 5 21:16:41 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:16:41 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4962BF09.2020102@cssinc.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Brian Vita wrote: > >> Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to >> "W...please deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". > > You really want to tempt a guy who has dubs of every master jingle > reel from the closet at 1170 tucked away upstairs...AND a copy of Cool > Edit on the desktop? :-) > > s > (if I weren't on deadline for Radio Journal right now...) Go ahead. do it.... Love to hear it... From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Jan 5 21:23:28 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:23:28 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Brian Vita wrote: > >> Great. At the rate they're going we'll soon be listening to >> "W...please deposit five cents for the next three minutes....BZ". > > You really want to tempt a guy who has dubs of every master jingle > reel from the closet at 1170 tucked away upstairs...AND a copy of Cool > Edit on the desktop? :-) > > s > (if I weren't on deadline for Radio Journal right now...) "While you're driving your car, we're driving fifty power". I never realized that the top of the hour chime was actually the coin drop gong. While we're at it, does anyone here now where in the signal chain WBZ inserts the chime? Brian From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 5 21:29:29 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:29:29 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4962C209.9010705@fybush.com> Brian Vita wrote: > While we're at it, does anyone here now where in the signal chain WBZ > inserts the chime? With the advent of HD, not anymore...though I think it used to be just before the STL. But I do know where the pre-1996 chime is...it was my going-away present from my co-workers and now lives in a box in my attic :-) s From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 21:41:11 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:41:11 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4962C4C7.2040108@gmail.com> Brian Vita wrote: > While we're at it, does anyone here now where in the signal chain WBZ > inserts the chime? > Oh, waiter.... or, I can think of a few places. b From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 21:43:29 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962C209.9010705@fybush.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> <4962C209.9010705@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4962C551.8080902@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > But I do know where the pre-1996 chime is...it was my going-away > present from my co-workers and now lives in a box in my attic :-) Still, once an hour that sucker must be a big pain in the neck. Some friends... b From attychase@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 21:47:32 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:47:32 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes References: Message-ID: <05C7D6AE52C949C290E171BC311386BB@HomeOffice> So did this "Chapter 149: Section 186. Broadcasting industry; noncompete agreements Section 186. Any contract or agreement which creates or establishes the terms of employment for an employee or individual in the broadcasting industry, including, television stations, television networks, radio stations, radio networks, or any entities affiliated with the foregoing, and which restricts the right of such employee or individual to obtain employment in a specified geographic area for a specified period of time after termination of employment of the employee by the employer or by termination of the employment relationship by mutual agreement of the employer and the employee or by termination of the employment relationship by the expiration of the contract or agreement, shall be void and unenforceable with respect to such provision. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall be liable for reasonable attorneys' fees and costs associated with litigation of an affected employee or individual." come about as a result of this? >The case actually was between Richmond Brothers and Westinghouse, not >because Gerald Jacoby aka Jerry Williams was on the air in Chicago >(which Richmond didn't care about) but because he came back to Boston >on WBZ within the five years. The case reached the Supreme Judicial >Court, which decided that Richmond Brothers had gotten enough benefit >from the noncompete. >A. Joseph Ross, J.D From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 5 21:50:57 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:50:57 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962C551.8080902@gmail.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> <4962B7FE.5010803@cssinc.com> <4962BA1A.2030405@fybush.com> <4962C0A0.1080301@cssinc.com> <4962C209.9010705@fybush.com> <4962C551.8080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4962C711.3070402@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Scott Fybush wrote: >> But I do know where the pre-1996 chime is...it was my going-away >> present from my co-workers and now lives in a box in my attic :-) > > Still, once an hour that sucker must be a big pain in the neck. Some > friends... You should see how good I've gotten at back-timing diaper changes! s From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 22:10:16 2009 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:10:16 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> Tonight I was listening in the car on the way home from work and at the top of the 9 p.m. hour, WBZ led with CBS national news, a canned Gary LaPierre bit introing the time and the traffic, a live traffic report, and what clearly sounded like a previously recorded Diane Stern reading off some quick headlines. It seemed to pale in comparison to the usual Kim Tunnicliff live reads in the evening. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:28 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: revised WBZ prog sched http://wbz1030.com/pages/2945.php Now they're saying the show is 1-5 am after all. On Sunday nights, Jordan Rich continues till 1 am. Other nights, Dan Rea continues. No idea of these extra hours are rebroadcasts of previous hours. A five hour shift for Dan? Example: >>Monday 8:00 PM - 12:00 AM: Nightside with Dan Rea Tuesday 12:00 AM - 1:00 AM: Nightside with Dan Rea 1:00 AM - 5:00 AM: Overnight America, with Jon Grayson From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 5 22:43:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:43:26 -0500 Subject: News media preferences -- new survey Message-ID: <18786.54110.685698.794166@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The generally reliable Pew Research Center for the People and the Press has released a new survey showing what media Americans look to for news. When 18- to 29-year-olds were asked to name their two main sources of news, the results looked quite bad for traditional media: Television 59% Internet 59% Newspapers 28% Radio 18% Magazines 4% Other (vol.) 6% Unfortunately, the margin of sampling error is not given for this crosstab. One bright spot: radio is up compared to both 2006 (+2%) and 2007 (+5%). For the whole sample (N = 1489, in the field December 3-7, 2008): Television 70% Internet 40% Newspapers 35% Radio 18% Magazines 5% Other (vol.) 2% DK/Refused 1% Interesting that the choice of radio in the rising-adult demo is reflecting of the population as a whole, which suggests that radio news doesn't actually have a "generation gap". Those who answered "television" were asked a follow-up question to identify their TV news preference. (Multiple answers accepted.) CNN 22% FNC 16% Local TV news 15% NBC network 13% ABC network 11% CBS network 9% MSNBC 7% Other (vol.) 3% DK/Refused 2% I'm not sure what's more surprising, that the networks still have so much of the news audience, or that that many people actually watch CNN. (I'd be interested in a more-detailed survey that elicited which specific programs people claimed they were watching, to see how many of the people reporting a cable channel as a news source were actually watching that channel's news programming. If any of them still do hard news at all....) Full details: -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 5 22:45:36 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:45:36 -0500 Subject: Barry Farber In-Reply-To: <14452B5670C045D491A7B092BDCE0F9D@SatU205S5044> References: <14452B5670C045D491A7B092BDCE0F9D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0901051945v361cdaecl597edd5f1c8d8205@mail.gmail.com> Back when Alan Colmes did his afternoon show on Daynet (WKOX, maybe WCAP had it), he used to talk about Farber and sometimes Farber may have filled in for him. They may have been through same syndicator. May have heard a small bit of his show... > If you've never heard Farber and you can pick up WBIX at night, you > really have to make it a point to listen. And if you are familiar with > Farber, my guess is that you will be delighted to find him again. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Jan 5 23:01:10 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:01:10 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> Message-ID: <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:10 PM, radiotony wrote: > Tonight I was listening in the car on the way home from work and at > the top > of the 9 p.m. hour, WBZ led with CBS national news, a canned Gary > LaPierre > bit introing the time and the traffic, a live traffic report, and what > clearly sounded like a previously recorded Diane Stern reading off > some > quick headlines. It seemed to pale in comparison to the usual Kim > Tunnicliff > live reads in the evening. It definitely has that canned robotic sound to me. It's the kind of thing that, if you listen to one aircheck (as a manager might do), you'd think, "hey, that sounds fine: no mistakes, just like live radio." But as a listener, hearing it night after night, you'd know something was dead. It's like driving through medium markets on the weekend, listening to random stations doing voicetracks. Every break sounds okay, but after 3 of them you know there are no human beings. I always thought 'BZ was better than that. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 5 23:22:46 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:22:46 -0500 Subject: Changes to Blueberry stations in Augusta market Message-ID: 101.3 is no simulcasting talk from 103.9 WVOM Howland. (I had incorrectly posted that the simulcast would be on 103.3 Rockland.) Now Glen Beck, Rush, and Howie can be heard on FM from Brunswick north. I can't imagine that the folks at WGAN are pleased to have much of their broadcast day repeated on an FM that overlaps part of their market. The AC programming formerly on 101.3 has been moved to 96.7. That station had carried talk previously, though not Howie or the local morning show from WVOM. The change means Dave Ramsey is no longer on the air in Maine. From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Jan 5 22:57:58 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:57:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: News media preferences -- new survey In-Reply-To: <18786.54110.685698.794166@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <100834.42586.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 1/5/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The generally reliable Pew Research Center for the People > and the > Press has released a new survey showing what media > Americans look to > for news. When 18- to 29-year-olds were asked to name > their two main > sources of news, the results looked quite bad for > traditional media: > > Television 59% > Internet 59% > Newspapers 28% > Radio 18% > Magazines 4% > Other (vol.) 6% The yikes moment on that list is newspapers outperforming radio as a news source. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 6 00:51:55 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:51:55 -0500 Subject: News media preferences -- new survey In-Reply-To: <100834.42586.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <18786.54110.685698.794166@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <100834.42586.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090106055151.D6E9220248F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 10:57 PM 1/5/2009, Sean Smyth wrote: > > Television 59% > > Internet 59% > > Newspapers 28% > > Radio 18% > > Magazines 4% > > Other (vol.) 6% > >The yikes moment on that list is newspapers outperforming radio as a >news source. Not really. There seems to be just one radio source that repeatedly attracts the news fans of all ages-- NPR, because they do in-depth coverage of more than just the same 5 stories over and over. Even many of the so-called "all-news" radio stations have cut back on their reporting, such that you don't hear the wide range of stories nor extended pieces that explain and offer more than just 30 seconds worth of synopsis. The news junkies today can't find the kind of thorough reporting they crave except on NPR, and also, some people regard NPR as (gasp) too liberal, so they don't listen. NPR's breakouts last year showed a 65-35 split, with 65% saying they are either Democrats or independents, and the rest saying they are Republicans. But anyway, it's true that a lot of the folks who used to listen to the radio for news now go to the internet. What I'm surprised at is the 4% for magazines-- this was actually a really good year for some news magazines and also for ideologicial and special interest magazines. On the left, the Nation had a very good year, and on the right, so did the Weekly Standard. Among news mags, Time showed some gains that they didn't expect -- in a recent survey of the most popular magazines, Time was voted the favourite news magazine of college students. The Week magazine also showed gains in circulation. (The most objective news magazine I've ever seen, if you are not familiar with The Week.) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 01:06:22 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:06:22 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4962F4DE.3030806@ttlc.net> Tonight (Monday), Dan Rea did 4 hours and said the 5th hour (12:07 - 1 am) would be a replay of the first hour. Tomorrow, Dan indicated that since he is starting late (courtesy of a Wonderful Hockey Game) he will be live until 1:00 am. So, it would appear that Dan is only doing 4 hours max. He touted Jon Grayson once or twice each hour. Per a previous post, CBS-News at TOH, followed by Gary LaPierre Time & Traffic Intro, Traffic Report and then Diane Stern doing 3 or 4 headlines followed by AccuWx. Diane sounds a bit self-conscious voice tracking. Perhaps the first time she's ever had to do it. This scheme has a major flaw - no real-time sports updates in the evening - unless Dan Rea will do that, too. Bob Nelson wrote: > http://wbz1030.com/pages/2945.php > > Now they're saying the show is 1-5 am after all. On Sunday nights, Jordan Rich continues till 1 am. > Other nights, Dan Rea continues. No idea of these extra hours are rebroadcasts of previous hours. > A five hour shift for Dan? > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 6 01:15:16 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:15:16 -0500 Subject: News media preferences -- new survey In-Reply-To: <20090106055151.D6E9220248F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <18786.54110.685698.794166@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <100834.42586.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090106055151.D6E9220248F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4962F6F4.8090608@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > The Week > magazine also showed gains in circulation. (The most objective news > magazine I've ever seen, if you are not familiar with The Week.) I was familiar with The Week - but until attending my 20th high school reunion this summer, I didn't know that one of my former co-editors on my high school newspaper is now the magazine's general manager! As for the survey, the highlight here, at least for me, is that younger consumers' preferences, at least where radio is concerned, seem to track the population at large. This reinforces my belief (as I've been ranting about for the last few weeks over on NERW) that if you build it (content, that is), listeners will still come - but if you replace the beef with cardboard, they'll go somewhere else for their meals. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 6 01:26:51 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:26:51 -0500 Subject: News media preferences -- new survey In-Reply-To: <4962F6F4.8090608@fybush.com> References: <18786.54110.685698.794166@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <100834.42586.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090106055151.D6E9220248F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4962F6F4.8090608@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20090106062647.9C4092023B6@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:15 AM 1/6/2009, Scott Fybush wrote: >As for the survey, the highlight here, at least for me, is that >younger consumers' preferences, at least where radio is concerned, >seem to track the population at large. This reinforces my belief (as >I've been ranting about for the last few weeks over on NERW) that if >you build it (content, that is), listeners will still come - but if >you replace the beef with cardboard, they'll go somewhere else for their meals. I cannot believe -- or perhaps I don't wanna believe-- that Peter Casey, left to his own devices, would have destroyed what WBZ was known for-- live and local talk all the time (except during the wonderful hockey games). Callers last name were polite but irate. I wonder if anyone really plans to protest, or will they just stop listening. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 6 02:29:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:29:13 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes In-Reply-To: <05C7D6AE52C949C290E171BC311386BB@HomeOffice> References: , <05C7D6AE52C949C290E171BC311386BB@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <4962C1F9.4094.7960E2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Jan 2009 at 21:47, Robert S Chase wrote: > So did this > > "Chapter 149: Section 186. Broadcasting industry; noncompete > agreements ... > come about as a result of this? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Jan 6 06:12:45 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:12:45 -0500 Subject: no HD on BZ? In-Reply-To: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> References: <4962B4D7.8010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106060905.03923c38@plymouthcolony.net> At 08:33 PM 1/5/2009, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Someone must have hoarded a boathouse of Western Electric devices >for said purpose. Most of the Baby Bells have long used Tellabs, which is still in business. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Click to compare life insurance rates. Great rates, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2PVUq0L5ppN1OLmoYPvGUDM2rwgJxBkjf9jCdi2jr0CR1jY/ From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:29:34 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:29:34 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: revised WBZ prog sched Message-ID: <496378DE.3070001@Gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote, > Tonight (Monday), Dan Rea did 4 hours and said the > 5th hour (12:07 - 1 am) would be a replay of the first hour. > Tomorrow, Dan indicated that since he is starting late > (courtesy of a Wonderful Hockey Game) he will be live > until 1:00 am. Myself, I'd rather they run "Dr. Dean Edell" from MidNite-1am. WRKO had him up until a few years ago, but now I don't think they even run his "medical minute" (or whatever it is called). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:29:36 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:29:36 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: no HD on BZ? Message-ID: <496378E0.7010907@Gmail.com> Brian Vita wrote: > While we're at it, does anyone here now where in the > signal chain WBZ inserts the chime? Speaking of which, with HD (still!) off, the TOH tone once again occurs at 00:00 instead of about 00:08! Likewise with WTIC, as they synced-up their TOH Beethoven chime to 00:00 *WITH* HD, with it off (still?), the chime occurs at about 59:52!! ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 6 10:46:05 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:46:05 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: no HD on BZ? References: <496378E0.7010907@Gmail.com> Message-ID: And with 'BZ's HD off, CFRB's skywave was booming in this morning at ~9:30. (Maybe CHUM's too, but I didn't try for it. Also, CHUM has first-adjacent WBIX to contend with, whereas CFRB's closest first-adjacent, WCMX, is essentially a non-issue for me.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [B-R-I] Re: no HD on BZ? > Brian Vita wrote: > > > While we're at it, does anyone here now where in the > > signal chain WBZ inserts the chime? > > Speaking of which, with HD (still!) off, the TOH tone once > again occurs at 00:00 instead of about 00:08! > Likewise with WTIC, as they synced-up their TOH Beethoven > chime to 00:00 *WITH* HD, with it off (still?), the chime > occurs at about 59:52!! > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 11:08:35 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:08:35 -0500 Subject: WBZ... 'Dispirit' of New England Message-ID: <49638203.5070306@gmail.com> WBZ listeners at night are there purposefully. It is appointment radio with a stable brand. And there is the (perhaps false) sense that if news breaks in Boston that someone in the BZ newsroom will be there to dig into it and report on it. Now, it is akin to a skipping record going unattended. How can a demo with millions not benefit from a single live news/talk source? This is really not a corporate greed issue; it is no one on the business end of the snake too afraid to risk it all and stand up for the business, whether it be quality refrigerators or a a relevant, set apart radio choice. There are worse things than losing your job over something you go public with and stand up for. Blame 'corporate' all you wish, but I'll go with the local pant loads willing to bend over. Bill O'Neill From ADAMNW@aol.com Mon Jan 5 20:19:21 2009 From: ADAMNW@aol.com (ADAMNW@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:21 EST Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: The WBZ site also says all news will end at 6pm on Saturday's. A financial show will air 6-8p on Saturday's. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org Tue Jan 6 08:47:15 2009 From: Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org (Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:47:15 -1000 Subject: Demise of WHDH was:Nightcap Message-ID: Scott wrote:"there is at least one other city with competitive broad sheets-Honolulu" (fragment) An interesting story. Gannett sold the Star-Bulletin to Liberty who basicly was going to close the paper after a year. David Black, of western Canada, came to the rescue and bought the SB and combined operations with the Midweek, a weekly shoppers news that has a higher circulation than either daily. He nows sells ads for the combined papers as well as the military weeklys. He also increases circulation #'s by putting papers in Hospitals, hotels, car dealers etc. so a hagher ad rate can be charged. The SB was always a lean operation so it is ironic that it was Gannet's Advertiser that suffered from the last round of layoffs. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 6 11:27:42 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18787.34430.332098.330043@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < The WBZ site also says all news will end at 6pm on Saturday's. A financial > show will air 6-8p on Saturday's. Presumably the same sort of "how to screw your nursing home" leased-time junk that replaced Neil Chayette on Sunday evenings a few years back. Fewer and fewer reasons to listen every year.... -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jan 6 12:07:53 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:07:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ... 'Dispirit' of New England Message-ID: <20090106170753.EAA548398A@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Efforts are being made to bring them back (or maybe Greater's WTKK will hire them, if only on a part time basis?) Today's Herald mentioned some local black leaders are calling for Dyett's reinstatement... http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_01_06_Black_leaders:_Bring_back_Lovell_Dyett:_Ouster_of__BZ_host_raises_ire/srvc=news&position=also And in the comments section of that article, someone mentioned a blog/petition drive to bring back Leveille. http://bringbacksteve.blogspot.com/ Not sure if it'll make a difference to CBS. What happens the next time you have an event like the middle-of-the-night Danversport explosion? I saw that on my way home from work and had no way of finding out what it was; though someone on Free Republic mentioned hearing the explosion but nobody knew what was going on. That is, till some people started calling up a local radio station and offering news. The station? WBZ. The progam? The Steve Leveille broadcast. From attychase@comcast.net Tue Jan 6 12:11:52 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:11:52 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes References: , <05C7D6AE52C949C290E171BC311386BB@HomeOffice> <4962C1F9.4094.7960E2@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <777F07DFD5B74730B9BEAEADB9749F6A@HomeOffice> The annotations show that it was enacted in the Acts and Resolves of 1998 Chapter 237. Too late for Jerry Williams (aka Gerald Jacoby) So my question is which legislator was trying to get a radio gig around that time and had the clout to get this enacted? It probably wasn't Finneran since it was too early http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Finneran so who was it and what were the circumstances. The only other legislation in Massachusetts I've found regarding noncompetes in Massachusetts are the nurses http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/112-74d.htm and the doctors http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/112-12x.htm and I don't think they give a darn about broadcasters . Except maybe that former nurse who became a legislator a few years back and then went on to a radio career. I forget her name. I wonder I anybody has the inside scoop on how this got enacted. I'm pretty sure that the doctors and nurses got theirs enacted when the hospitals tried noncompetes as a union busting measure when the MNA was going out on strike a few years ago. This is Chapter 237 of the Acts and Resolves of 1998. When Massachusetts enacts a law it is labeled as a consecutive chapter in the Acts and Resolves of that year. That legislation will then amend the General Laws at issue like in the example below. (I know you know that Joe, just explaining it for our fellow broadcasters. ) Chapter 237 of the Acts of 1998 AN ACT RELATIVE TO FREEDOM OF EMPLOYMENT IN THE BROADCASTING INDUSTRY. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows: SECTION 1. Chapter 149 of the General Laws is hereby amended by adding the following section:- Section 186. Any contract or agreement which creates or establishes the terms of employment for an employee or individual in the broadcasting industry, including, television stations, television networks, radio stations, radio networks, or any entities affiliated with the foregoing, and which restricts the right of such employee or individual to obtain employment in a specified geographic area for a specified period of time after termination of employment of the employee by the employer or by termination of the employment relationship by mutual agreement of the employer and the employee or by termination of the employment relationship by the expiration of the contract or agreement, shall be void and unenforceable with respect to such provision. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall be liable for reasonable attorneys' fees and costs associated with litigation of an affected employee or individual. SECTION 2. This act shall apply to contracts entered into on or after its effective date. Approved August 7, 1998. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Robert S Chase" Cc: "bostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Noncompetes > > I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do > with it. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 6 12:29:27 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:29:27 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: Message-ID: <002e01c97024$56d67a80$af8c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > The WBZ site also says all news will end at 6pm on Saturday's. A financial > show will air 6-8p on Saturday's. > > Associated Press shuts down its Hartford bureau around that time on weekends. This past weekend, former Hartford Mayor Mike Peters died. TV had it on the 11 o'clock news. I even heard about it on WDRC-FM around then (the DJ must've been watching TV in the studio). Yet AP -- with Connecticut being served by the Boston bureau overnight, not Hartford -- moved nothing over its wire until it picked up the Hartford Courant's story on Peters around 5 a.m. the next day. AP's sole business is news, but corner-cutting is going on there, too, and it's affecting the product. A shame. Howard From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Jan 6 16:08:39 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> Why not use Metro for local news inserts in the evening and overnight ? Doesn't CBS own a piece of Metro ? Can't wait for the prerecorded news to play after a hockey game and not mention the game that just ended. It will obvious to the world not just radio geeks. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Mark Laurence wrote: > On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:10 PM, radiotony wrote: > > Tonight I was listening in the car on the way home from work and at the >> top >> of the 9 p.m. hour, WBZ led with CBS national news, a canned Gary LaPierre >> bit introing the time and the traffic, a live traffic report, and what >> clearly sounded like a previously recorded Diane Stern reading off some >> quick headlines. It seemed to pale in comparison to the usual Kim >> Tunnicliff >> live reads in the evening. >> > > It definitely has that canned robotic sound to me. It's the kind of thing > that, if you listen to one aircheck (as a manager might do), you'd think, > "hey, that sounds fine: no mistakes, just like live radio." But as a > listener, hearing it night after night, you'd know something was dead. It's > like driving through medium markets on the weekend, listening to random > stations doing voicetracks. Every break sounds okay, but after 3 of them > you know there are no human beings. I always thought 'BZ was better than > that. > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 6 16:44:56 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:44:56 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18787.53464.688487.666320@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Why not use Metro for local news inserts in the evening and overnight ? > Doesn't CBS own a piece of Metro ? Not any more. CBS and Westwood One unwound their deal around the middle of last year. CBS still has programming commitments to WW1, and must air WW1 inventory at a certain agreed-upon level or else pay escalating penalties under their new contract. But WW1 is no longer a paper tiger. This hasn't helped WW1's stock price, and they were delisted by the NYSE in November. (Glad I don't own it any more.) CBS, for what it's worth, is down more than 50% from its 52-week high. (It's also up 100% from its 52-week low... clearly I should have bought some when it was trading down around $4, but I don't like owning stock in companies that are effectively controlled by a single investor.) -GAWollman From dwcole@comcast.net Tue Jan 6 17:12:29 2009 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:12:29 -0500 Subject: WBZ early morning Tuesday References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net><4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com><90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> <18787.53464.688487.666320@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 12:59:40 Tuesday morning Dan Rea was cut off mid-sentence, followed by about 10 sec of an ad, cut off by the start of the legal ID, which ran a total of about 3 sec before CBS began. At 1:03 was the usual canned traffic intro, followed by Diane Stern news obviously recorded the prior afternoon. Lets just say it wasnt all that smooth. :-) Dan From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 6 17:30:28 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:30:28 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106223022.3058F44C055@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 04:08 PM 1/6/2009, Ron Bello wrote: >Why not use Metro for local news inserts in the evening and overnight ? And there has to be some way to get someone to read sports in the afternoon drive newscasts. It just doesn't sound right to have the news anchor doing it (whether it's a male or a female anchor, there has always been a separate person reporting on sports). I still don't understand why the corporate folks don't understand that offering fewer services-- less news in the evening (recorded news that is 6 hours old is not what one expects of WBZ) and no live and local personalities in overnights and weekends seems a strategy designed to save a few bucks and drive away the core audience. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 17:33:17 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:33:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ early morning Tuesday In-Reply-To: References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net><4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com><90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> <18787.53464.688487.666320@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4963DC2D.4080907@ttlc.net> This means that the repeat show was started later in the hour than it originally began after the 8:00 news. Dan seems to be having a little trouble ending the hour because there's no room for slop now. CBS thunders 10 seconds after the TOH tone. Dan C wrote: > At 12:59:40 Tuesday morning Dan Rea was cut off mid-sentence, followed > by about 10 sec of an ad, cut off by the start of the legal ID, which > ran a total of about 3 sec before CBS began. At 1:03 was the usual > canned traffic intro, followed by Diane Stern news obviously recorded > the prior afternoon. > Lets just say it wasnt all that smooth. :-) > > > Dan > > > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 17:44:12 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:44:12 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <20090106223022.3058F44C055@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> <20090106223022.3058F44C055@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4963DEBC.30503@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: > And there has to be some way to get someone to read sports in the > afternoon drive newscasts. It just doesn't sound right to have the > news anchor doing it (whether it's a male or a female anchor, there > has always been a separate person reporting on sports). To be fair, the evening & overnight newsperson has always read the sports themselves. But it was always just the scores of that evening's games. > ...recorded news that is 6 hours old is not what one expects of WBZ... Even if Diane Stern recorded as late as 8:00 pm, by 4:00 in the morning it's 8 hours old, it's generic and has no sports. That's not gonna fly well during Playoffs. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 18:15:26 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:15:26 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <20090106223022.3058F44C055@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <001301c96fac$4cfce530$e6f6af90$@net> <4F184954-3B73-40FB-B0C7-AC97248D22EC@mac.com> <90ec04420901061308h34af437cp3e108b4a65d7a7ba@mail.gmail.com> <20090106223022.3058F44C055@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4963E60E.3040001@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > ...and no live and local personalities in overnights and weekends > seems a strategy designed to save a few bucks and drive away the core > audience. I hear that Shaw's Supermarket is going to replace it's meat items with plastic models a la central casting look-alikes. While you won't be able to actually _buy_ the meat, if you breeze by with the cart just right you'll never even notice. The money they'll save by not running the meat refrigeration system will keep the lights on for another month. And the butchers will be replaced by motorized mannequins. Now, back to the show, the show, the show, the sh..... Bill O'Neill From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 6 18:40:51 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:40:51 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <20090105212815.23E1083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: A Last nights was a rebroadcast of Dan Rea's Show for an hour. This station has sunk so low! SS -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@mail.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:28 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: revised WBZ prog sched http://wbz1030.com/pages/2945.php Now they're saying the show is 1-5 am after all. On Sunday nights, Jordan Rich continues till 1 am. Other nights, Dan Rea continues. No idea of these extra hours are rebroadcasts of previous hours. A five hour shift for Dan? From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jan 6 18:40:21 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:40:21 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: <4963E60E.3040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901062340.n06Nefe5078889@tsornin.bostonradio.org> After reading your posting I called a friend who is a Shaw's Manager and asked him when this was going to happen and he said.........oh wait.....you're being sarcastic......you forgot to ......... G -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:15 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: revised WBZ prog sched Donna Halper wrote: > ...and no live and local personalities in overnights and weekends > seems a strategy designed to save a few bucks and drive away the core > audience. I hear that Shaw's Supermarket is going to replace it's meat items with plastic models a la central casting look-alikes. While you won't be able to actually _buy_ the meat, if you breeze by with the cart just right you'll never even notice. The money they'll save by not running the meat refrigeration system will keep the lights on for another month. And the butchers will be replaced by motorized mannequins. Now, back to the show, the show, the show, the sh..... Bill O'Neill From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jan 6 19:08:56 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:08:56 -0500 Subject: FW: revised WBZ prog sched Message-ID: <200901070009.n0709Haf079776@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Next thing you know they'll be changing the name to CBS-1030 -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Igo [mailto:chuckigo@maine.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:57 PM To: Gary; 'Bill O'Neill' Cc: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: Re: revised WBZ prog sched of Bill O'Neill's (two Ls) notes vis a vis plastic meat : ..."> I hear that Shaw's Supermarket is going to replace it's meat items with > plastic models a la central casting look-alikes. While you won't be > able to actually _buy_ the meat, if you breeze by with the cart just > right you'll never even notice. The money they'll save by not running > the meat refrigeration system will keep the lights on for another > month. > And the butchers will be replaced by motorized mannequins. Now, back > to the show, the show, the show, the sh..... > ... " Gary then noted .... > After reading your posting I called a friend who is a Shaw's Manager > and asked him when this was going to happen and he said.........oh > wait.....you're being sarcastic......you forgot to mode>......... > Gary - it's O'Neill for goodness sake. most times, the problem is trying to figure out when to turn the sarcasm mode "off" on his notes. (duckin' & grinnin') of the WBZ revised programming schedule - this isn't the first time that WBZ has made a bone-headed move in regards to its on-air product. and hopefully the pitchfork&torch-wielding crowd will be loud enough for someone at CBS to hear and make it right again, like WBZ has done in the past with some of their other idiotic, what-were-they-thinking moves. but if this is the wave of the WBZ future, then as they used to say... We'll B - Z-ing you... later. much. --Chuck Igo From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 6 18:56:37 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:56:37 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched References: <200901062340.n06Nefe5078889@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: of Bill O'Neill's (two Ls) notes vis a vis plastic meat : ..."> I hear that Shaw's Supermarket is going to replace it's meat items with > plastic models a la central casting look-alikes. While you won't be able > to > actually _buy_ the meat, if you breeze by with the cart just right you'll > never even notice. The money they'll save by not running the meat > refrigeration system will keep the lights on for another month. > And the butchers will be replaced by motorized mannequins. Now, back to > the > show, the show, the show, the sh..... > ... " Gary then noted .... > After reading your posting I called a friend who is a Shaw's Manager and > asked him when this was going to happen and he said.........oh > wait.....you're being sarcastic......you forgot to mode>......... > Gary - it's O'Neill for goodness sake. most times, the problem is trying to figure out when to turn the sarcasm mode "off" on his notes. (duckin' & grinnin') of the WBZ revised programming schedule - this isn't the first time that WBZ has made a bone-headed move in regards to its on-air product. and hopefully the pitchfork&torch-wielding crowd will be loud enough for someone at CBS to hear and make it right again, like WBZ has done in the past with some of their other idiotic, what-were-they-thinking moves. but if this is the wave of the WBZ future, then as they used to say... We'll B - Z-ing you... later. much. --Chuck Igo From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 21:38:36 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:38:36 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: References: <200901062340.n06Nefe5078889@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <496415AC.5040801@gmail.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > and hopefully the pitchfork&torch-wielding crowd will be loud enough > for someone at CBS to hear and make it right again, like WBZ has done > in the past with some of their other idiotic, what-were-they-thinking > moves. The Tom Snyder Show, anyone? That was a failed attempt in the past at Dispirit of New England. Bill O'Neill From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jan 6 21:56:11 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:56:11 -0500 Subject: Paul Perry Gone From WROR? Message-ID: <009f01c97073$80349750$0302a8c0@Mark> Paul Perry not on the air today at WROR. His bio gone from WROR's website. Another victim of budget cuts? Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 22:03:15 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:03:15 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched In-Reply-To: References: <200901062340.n06Nefe5078889@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <49641B73.6070706@ttlc.net> Chuck Igo wrote: > but if this is the wave of the WBZ future, then as they used to say... > We'll B - Z-ing you... later. much. > You can be sure if it's Westinghouse. Not so with CBS. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 22:07:10 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:07:10 -0500 Subject: Paul Perry Gone From WROR? In-Reply-To: <009f01c97073$80349750$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <009f01c97073$80349750$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <49641C5E.5080701@ttlc.net> Mark Watson wrote: > Paul Perry not on the air today at WROR. His bio gone from WROR's > website. Another victim of budget cuts? Was broadcasting like this during the Great Depression? From billohno@gmail.com Tue Jan 6 22:14:04 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:14:04 -0500 Subject: Paul Perry Gone From WROR? In-Reply-To: <49641C5E.5080701@ttlc.net> References: <009f01c97073$80349750$0302a8c0@Mark> <49641C5E.5080701@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49641DFC.3050007@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Was broadcasting like this during the Great Depression? No, we just paid the band with moonshine and they played on. Bill O' From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 00:23:47 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:23:47 -0600 Subject: Paul Perry Gone From WROR? In-Reply-To: <49641DFC.3050007@gmail.com> References: <009f01c97073$80349750$0302a8c0@Mark> <49641C5E.5080701@ttlc.net> <49641DFC.3050007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901062123r21c0507fldbc65275076a273c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I'd say Paul Perry is gone from WROR. I saw this posted on one of the "boards" at allaccess.com: Paul Perry, Mornings, Afternoons, Talk 2 years Afternoon Drive WROR Classic hits Boston, Mornings WJMK Chicago, Mornings WODS Boston,5 years. Mornings B101 Providence,8 years. Talk WBZ Boston. demes, 1/6/2009 9:08:29 AM Message #233717 The Other Paul On 1/6/09, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Roger Kirk wrote: > >> Was broadcasting like this during the Great Depression? >> > No, we just paid the band with moonshine and they > played on. > > Bill O' > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 7 02:51:01 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:51:01 -0500 Subject: revised WBZ prog sched Message-ID: <20090107075101.CF80249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Caller got on the end of Rea's show tonight wondering what Rea's exact hours were; he was told when there's no Bruins game, live Rea 8-mid. with a reply of the 8 pm hour at mid., and if there is a Bruins game, Rea stays till 1 am. "The less of 'Gruesome' the better--that's what I call Grayson. He is horrible," the caller said. From ADAMNW@aol.com Tue Jan 6 19:21:34 2009 From: ADAMNW@aol.com (ADAMNW@aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:21:34 EST Subject: revised WBZ prog sched Message-ID: I believe given the current union contracts at WBZ, they are not allowed to use a service like metro or shadow traffic for news or spots services. **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 7 12:46:56 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:46:56 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Did you guys get the e-mailed request from WBZ radio today asking "how are we doing" and welcoming our opinions? I plan to weigh in. Do any of you? It was signed by Peter Casey, and the message reads: "Happy New Year! Hope 2009 is off to a great start! WBZ NEWSRADIO 1030 is always here for you. Traffic on the 3's, Weather on the 10's, and Breaking News When it Happens. And if you'll just take a couple of minutes to let us know how we're doing, you can help to make WBZ even better! CLICK HERE to fill out a short listener survey, and as a special thanks, we'll automatically enter you into a drawing to win dinner for two or even a week-long vacation to Aruba! We really appreciate you taking the time. So let's make it a great year together! Thanks again for listening to WBZ NEWSRADIO 1030, and good luck!" From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 13:25:03 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:25:03 -0500 Subject: Well, you asked... (was: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais) In-Reply-To: <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4964F37F.7050108@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Did you guys get the e-mailed request from WBZ radio today asking "how > are we doing" and welcoming our opinions? I plan to weigh in. Do any > of you? It was signed by Peter Casey, and the message reads: > > "Happy New Year! Hope 2009 is off to a great start! > Thanks to Donna for this opportunity! Here's what I submitted: What would you like to see on wbz1030.com that is not currently provided? Not enough space here to crack the surface. Appalled at your dereliction of duty by dismantling a once great heritage Spirit of New England. Not since the failed Tom Snyder experiment has WBZ gone so low. Bring back local talk now. There are enough reasons not to listen to traditional radio. The very reasons I still listen to WBZ are evaporating. The very hype you present in the outset of this email shows that you have either drunk the Kool-Aid from CBS or you have another sweet gig in the works. Wake up. How can we make WBZ better for you? Bring back the WBZ I grew up with. The best of times were with Maynard, Glick, Raleigh, Bruds, LaVall., Diett. If I want a Flo-bee infomercial I'll listen elsewhere on the dial. Your changes are an abomination, a true disaster. What word or phrase best describes WBZ? The Former Spirit of New England Dispirit of New England Doubtable BZ CBS 1030 Another Reason to go Satellite Radio Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 7 13:00:32 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:00:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com><18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> I did not receive any message like the one your forwarded. But the link you furnished contains YOUR e-mail address. I presume that WBZ will accept only one response per e-mail address. So if I were to try to submit a message by following the link you provided, I'm pretty sure that my message would not be accepted. What I need is for someone who understands how the URL was constructed to reverse engineer it so that I can submit a reply of my own that will not be rejected because it was incorrectly identified as the work of someone else who had already responded. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais > Did you guys get the e-mailed request from WBZ radio today asking > "how are we doing" and welcoming our opinions? I plan to weigh in. > Do any of you? It was signed by Peter Casey, and the message reads: > > "Happy New Year! Hope 2009 is off to a great start! > > WBZ NEWSRADIO 1030 is always here for you. Traffic on the 3's, > Weather on the 10's, and Breaking News When it Happens. > > And if you'll just take a couple of minutes to let us know how we're > doing, you can help to make WBZ even better! > CLICK > HERE to fill out a short listener survey, and as a special thanks, > we'll automatically enter you into a drawing to win dinner for two > or even a week-long vacation to Aruba! We really appreciate you > taking the time. > > So let's make it a great year together! Thanks again for listening > to WBZ NEWSRADIO 1030, and good luck!" > From adamg@gaffin.com Wed Jan 7 14:26:24 2009 From: adamg@gaffin.com (Adam Gaffin) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:26:24 -0500 Subject: WEEI hater faces criminal charges Message-ID: <496501E0.1040305@gaffin.com> I just posted this on Universal Hub (http://www.universalhub.com/node/22587). -- Adam A Cambridge man faces criminal charges for a series of phone calls he allegedly made to WEEI last fall. David Banner, 57, pleaded innocent in Brighton District Court yesterday to two counts of criminal harassment, two counts of threats to commit a crime, and a single count of making annoying phone calls to employees of Entercom Communications in Brighton, according to the Suffolk County District Attorney's office. Banner was released on personal recognizance and ordered to not call any radio station in Boston. According to the DA's office, Banner called WEEI at least four times in October and November to express his displeaure with station hosts: In an Oct. 29 call that began with an expression of displeasure over his perception of the station's politics, Banner allegedly stated, "And another thing, the next time [Employee #1] laughs in somebody's face with his snide snickering laugh, I'm gonna come in there and kick his [expletive] teeth in. And then I'm gonna look for you and kick your [expletive] teeth, you [expletive] .... And you can tell [Employee #2] when he makes fun of people to look in the [expletive] [expletive] mirror. [Expletive] you." ... In one Nov. 4 call, he allegedly said, "When you talk about somebody's look, look in the [expletive] mirror, you donut-eating [expletive] [expletive]. You and your [expletive] [expletive] daughter. Die, you son of a [expletive]." In a second Nov. 4 call made to a different employee minutes later, he allegedly said, "Every morning when I listen to the show, I just say, jeez, maybe tomorrow I wake up and I hear that [Employee #3] and [Employee #4] died. That would be my wish, for you to [expletive] die." "If someone finds a radio show that upsetting, the appropriate response is to change the channel," DA Dan Conley said. "Instead, we have here a pattern of extremely vulgar and, frankly, bizarre phone calls that rise to the level of criminal behavior." The DA's office says all of the calls were taped; does not specify whether any were used on the Whiner Line. /Innocent, etc./ From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 14:42:03 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:42:03 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <4965058B.4050708@Gmail.com> Dan Strassberg wrote > I did not receive any message like the one your forwarded. > But the link you furnished contains YOUR e-mail address. I > presume that WBZ will accept only one response per e-mail > address. So if I were to try to submit a message by following > the link you provided, I'm pretty sure that my message would > not be accepted. What I need is for someone who understands how > the URL was constructed to reverse engineer it so that I can > submit a reply of my own that will not be rejected because it > was incorrectly identified as the work of someone else who had > already responded. Well, if you click the link, it redirects here: http://www.srvy.net/x/1.p?15686794916729479921 If you change one or some of the numbers it still usually returns to the survey page (ones that don't either say something like "server busy" or "survey not yet valid"). So just try changing certain numbers. It worked for me! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 7 14:33:05 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:05 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com><004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net><9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC><00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer><4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com><18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: OK, I followed the link anyhow and was asked to supply a bunch of personal info including my full name, street address, and e-mail address. So I gather that the fact that the URL I went to to find the questionnaire had Donna's e-mail address in it is unlikely to cause my response to be rejected or recorded under Donna's name. If, in fact, my response was discarded, I received no indication of it after I clicked on Submit. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais >I did not receive any message like the one your forwarded. But the > link you furnished contains YOUR e-mail address. I presume that WBZ > will accept only one response per e-mail address. So if I were to > try > to submit a message by following the link you provided, I'm pretty > sure that my message would not be accepted. What I need is for > someone > who understands how the URL was constructed to reverse engineer it > so > that I can submit a reply of my own that will not be rejected > because > it was incorrectly identified as the work of someone else who had > already responded. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 7 15:23:02 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:23:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: <20090107202302.ACCA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> There was a URL to the survey given on bringbacksteve.com I took the survey and told them what I thought, and submitted it. And yes they do ask for your mailing address, etc. (I think there's a contest involved...?) From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Jan 7 15:34:10 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:34:10 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090107202302.ACCA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090107202302.ACCA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18789.4546.486169.100972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I took the survey and told them what I thought, and submitted it. > And yes they do ask for your mailing address, etc. (I think > there's a contest involved...?) Yes, if you read the fine print, they're giving away a trip to Aruba (presumably co-op or trade-out with the travel agency) and a handful of Legal Sea Foods gift cards. There's apparently a link to the survey from their home page as well (according to the rules), so it's open to people who didn't receive an email. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:54:00 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:54:00 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <18789.4546.486169.100972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090107202302.ACCA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <18789.4546.486169.100972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49651668.6020906@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Yes, if you read the fine print, they're giving away a trip to Aruba A room with a view on Beach van der Sloot? I guess you get what you pay for. Good luck, entrants. If I win I'll write often. Metal detector and baggy shorts ready to go. Redsox hat. You know the drill. Bill O' From blainethompson@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 13:55:57 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:55:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901071055r2ecdc42ds3e18731269199333@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I did not receive any message like the one your forwarded. Perhaps a nicely worded e-mail to Peter Casey peter dot casey at cbsradio dot com work just as well for your comments. - Blaine From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 7 17:03:09 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:03:09 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3EC4BA78-AC0A-4707-8665-3174F90A76ED@mac.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20090107220304.74EEA44C015@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:00 PM 1/7/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I did not receive any message like the one your forwarded. But the >link you furnished contains YOUR e-mail address. I presume that WBZ >will accept only one response per e-mail address. I strongly recommend that we find a way to express ourselves on what has happened at WBZ. I wasn't expecting you to fill out my form-- I just wanted to show it to you, since it caught my attention, given all that has been going on in the past few days. Seems like an odd time to do a promotion, or to gather addresses for a new mailing list. Perhaps a petition drive might do some good... or perhaps not, but I'd like to see us all do something. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 7 17:14:59 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:14:59 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0901071055r2ecdc42ds3e18731269199333@mail.gmail.co m> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> <7bded94e0901071055r2ecdc42ds3e18731269199333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090107221454.9C3B844C0B7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:55 PM 1/7/2009, Blaine Thompson wrote: >Perhaps a nicely worded e-mail to Peter Casey peter dot casey at >cbsradio dot com work just as well for your comments. Umm, the one I have is And be polite-- the word I have on very good authority is this was not his decision. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 7 17:31:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:31:19 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <20090107221454.9C3B844C0B7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004301c96cf4$8f872ab0$ae958010$@net> <9369DDCA8ABF4D929725C25E1382DFA5@DanBillingsPC> <00c501c96d50$b4ecd140$298c4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> <7bded94e0901071055r2ecdc42ds3e18731269199333@mail.gmail.com> <20090107221454.9C3B844C0B7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49652D37.8090009@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Umm, the one I have is And be polite-- the > word I have on very good authority is this was not his decision. While politeness is a very good thing (I generally employ that as a way of life) the "not his/her decision" disclaimer has exemplified the very issue with holding stations to account during this collective media slide into the abyss (as well as into history books and broadcast museum exhibits). While I have zero doubt that Mr. Casey is sickened by what is happening to his years of work (by all accounts he's among the best) I have fallen into that rut of shrugging the shoulders and acquiescing to the "corporate" excuse. It's not personal to the Peter Caseys out there, but they are the ones who need to get a clear and accurate read of customer satisfaction so that he can report-out on it. Bill O'Neill From gallen2@nescaum.org Wed Jan 7 17:59:07 2009 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:59:07 -0500 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais Message-ID: FWIW, the format I have for the WBZ radio CE's email would make it pcasey@cbs.com . OTOH, the CE's last name is somewhat unique. George At 01:55 PM 1/7/2009, Blaine Thompson wrote: >Perhaps a nicely worded e-mail to Peter Casey peter dot casey at >cbsradio dot com work just as well for your comments. Umm, the one I have is And be polite-- the word I have on very good authority is this was not his decision. From chrisfuccione@yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 18:15:23 2009 From: chrisfuccione@yahoo.com (chris fuccione) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ online survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <326082.8767.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> There is a survey on WBZ's radio website. They want listeners to tell them how they are doing.?http://www.srvy.net/x/optsrvy.cgi From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 18:55:58 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:55:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI hater faces criminal charges In-Reply-To: <496501E0.1040305@gaffin.com> Message-ID: <794696.749.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 1/7/09, Adam Gaffin wrote: > "If someone finds a radio show that upsetting, the > appropriate response is to change the channel," DA Dan > Conley said. "Instead, we have here a pattern of > extremely vulgar and, frankly, bizarre phone calls that rise > to the level of criminal behavior." > > The DA's office says all of the calls were taped; does > not specify whether any were used on the Whiner Line. Was this the Man on the Way Up? I never could tell if he was schtick or not (I'm presuming he is, though), and he did return to the airwaves sometime last year after not calling into the Big Show for years. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Jan 7 19:44:49 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:44:49 -0600 Subject: WBZ cuts Leveille, Cuddy, Dyett, poss. Desmarais In-Reply-To: <49652D37.8090009@gmail.com> References: <980573.11748.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901021956y38bbdc0fm72e64698ddae7380@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770901022104j219d5070oa144b74b62f8b66d@mail.gmail.com> <18782.63728.614143.447151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090107174658.E6A2A1DDDAA@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <8A039296E98E47FABC04334A04F6BAF5@SatU205S5044> <7bded94e0901071055r2ecdc42ds3e18731269199333@mail.gmail.com> <20090107221454.9C3B844C0B7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49652D37.8090009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901071644x6633f82cx72f934f9eae47b0e@mail.gmail.com> I don't think New York really cares what the local managers think anymore. I suppose BZ saw it coming given what happened at KDKA. The reality is Westinghouse lost control of the new CBS to Redstone who cares nothing about the past. From dfaneuf@bu.edu Wed Jan 7 23:48:55 2009 From: dfaneuf@bu.edu (Faneuf, Dave ) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:48:55 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes, the story behind the story :) References: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF304@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF305@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> From: Faneuf, Dave Sent: Wed 1/7/2009 11:32 PM To: boston-radio-intererst@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Noncompetes, the story behind the story :) Robert S Chase asks: "So my question is which legislator was trying to get a radio gig around that time and had the clout to get this enacted?" Actually as someone who played a small roled in the bills passage it was AFTRA that marshaled the troops in Massachusetts Radio and TV. On Air folks made private calls to their legislators and talked with them one on one that got the law passed. I personally spoke with several and one even called me from the floor of the house to give me an update on the bill. ----------------------------------------------------- Dave Faneuf Senior Announcer/Operator WBUR Boston's NPR News Station Tel. 617 353-0770 Fax 617 353 9380 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Jan 8 00:16:12 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:16:12 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes, the story behind the story :) In-Reply-To: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF305@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF304@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF305@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <18789.35868.787535.726992@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Actually as someone who played a small roled in the bills passage it > was AFTRA that marshaled the troops in Massachusetts Radio and TV. So, speaking of AFTRA... Are they so weak now that they are completely unable to stick up for the half-dozen of their members who have been let go at WBZ this year? Or did they just decide not to? -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 8 02:09:13 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:09:13 -0500 Subject: Herald's Heslam interviewed Steve Leveille Message-ID: <20090108070913.8E13D83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1143875&srvc=business&position=2 Steve said his ouster wasn't a surprise; nature of the biz. He said he'd like to host a morning show. From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Jan 8 12:09:17 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:09:17 -0500 Subject: Weather cat walk-on Message-ID: <4966333D.1060907@gabrielmass.com> German TV meteorologist Joerg Kachelmann got a surprise Tuesday evening during a regional forecast when the "studio cat" made an unscheduled cameo appearance. After the animal brushed its tail against his leg a couple of times, he picked up the cat and continued with the report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP4zaMvV__4 As cats go, it looks fairly heavy! With cold temperatures coming, Kachelmann said, winter-lovers would be happy, and "Hopefully the cats have a thick coat for the nights." From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 8 14:38:48 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:38:48 -0500 Subject: Weather cat walk-on Message-ID: <20090108193848.55A011059C@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Chonak" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Weather cat walk-on >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:09:17 -0500 >German TV meteorologist Joerg Kachelmann got a surprise Tuesday >evening during a regional forecast when the "studio cat" made an >unscheduled cameo appearance. After the animal brushed its tail >against his leg a couple of times, he picked up the cat and >continued with the report: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP4zaMvV__4 >As cats go, it looks fairly heavy! >With cold temperatures coming, Kachelmann said, winter-lovers would >be happy, and "Hopefully the cats have a thick coat for the nights." One time, when I was visiting Maine, I flipped on channel 8 when the transmitter was on Mt. Washington. They went from the studio to a special room for weather forecasting on top of the Mount, and a cat was sitting there on the counter as the mountaintop weatherman did his bit. Oh, I've had several cats, and the one here was no heavier that felines I've possesed...my current cat is a little less portly. Anytime I had communications with former Globe radio correspondent, I would comment about my cat: she (Clea) is a fervent ailurophile. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 16:04:53 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Weather cat walk-on References: <20090108193848.55A011059C@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <119575.86814.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WMTW almost always had a cat in residence when the transmitter was up on Mt. Washington. I'm not sure if there's one there now with the remaining occupants. I have 4 cats, and the males are quite large - 22 and 17 lbs (both Maine Coon mixes). The larger is a drama king and I couldn't see him being held without squaking. From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 8 16:08:42 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:08:42 -0500 Subject: Weather cat walk-on In-Reply-To: <119575.86814.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090108193848.55A011059C@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <119575.86814.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49666B5A.5050205@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > WMTW almost always had a cat in residence when the transmitter was up > on Mt. Washington. I'm not sure if there's one there now with the > remaining occupants. I have 4 cats, and the males are quite large - > 22 and 17 lbs (both Maine Coon mixes). The larger is a drama king and > I couldn't see him being held without squaking. And some stations (none in Boston that I can recall) had/have their own weather cats. WSTM in Syracuse has "Doppler," or more properly these days, "Doppler III." Some pics are down the page here: http://www.fybush.com/sites/2007/site-070720.html s From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 16:21:59 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Weather cat walk-on Message-ID: <9440.81699.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>WMTW almost always had a cat in residence when the transmitter was up on Mt. Washington. I recall the name of the WMTW mountain crew cat, at least in the 1980's into the early 1990's, was Inga. Inga was featured in Cat Fancy Magazine. John B Derry NH From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 8 16:58:22 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:58:22 -0500 Subject: Oh No, Not Again! WKOX-AM Stronger? Message-ID: <20090108215822.13D13BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Because of the cold weather and snow cover, several AM's were coming in with slightly stronger signals today at midday(Thursday, 01/08); on my radio that displays relative signal strength: WNNZ-AM 640 near Springfield, with its pattern aimed AWAY from me was up slightly; right next to it, WSRO also up slightly; WFGL-AM 960 in Fitchburg, also with a daytime array aimed AWAY from me...and then good, old WKOX-AM 1200. But something was slightly different: WKOX-AM's boost appeared not to be just the increase from conditions... it was stronger than AM 1150 (can their call-letters still be WWDJ?) whereas since the move from Framingham to Oak Hill Pahk, WKOX had been a skosh weaker. As I drove in the Merimack Valley later, WKOX seemed a little "louder", and there was some splatter on 1190 and 1210 (not signals from WLIB or WPHT). We all know Clear Channel just had a big General Managers confab in San Antone...did the folks hereabout get the message "boost that sucker so we can sell it"? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 8 17:26:55 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:26:55 -0500 Subject: FCC Applications & Actions Message-ID: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Since the beginning of 2009, the Broadcast Applications and Broadcast Actions Tables have not been available from the MB shortcuts page. To get them, at least for now, it is necessary to click on 'Daily Digest' at the top of the FCC's home page, then select the date from a January 2009 calendar. There's not much of intererest to report here, except the sale of a CP for a new station at 1120 in Maine. The buyer? Acme Communications. Could one of the principals be Wile E. Coyote? Anyway, who would build an entirely new AM station in this environment? OK, Alex Langer, who wants to put a new AM at 1140 in Rhode Island, but other than that... -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 8 17:55:47 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:55:47 -0600 Subject: FCC Applications & Actions In-Reply-To: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901081455n264bf6a8nf826bb686e4ba01b@mail.gmail.com> The principal of ACME Broadcasting II, Inc is a close, personal friend of mine and recently purchase another facility, an actual radio station under the name of second entity. I'm part of the second entity in the capacity of programming & research assistant. I believe that the owner of both the Richmond, Maine permit and the other facility he purchased plans on doing some serious programming when everything is in order and built. Paul Walker On 1/8/09, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > Since the beginning of 2009, the Broadcast Applications and Broadcast > Actions > Tables have not been available from the MB shortcuts page. To get them, > at least for now, it is necessary to click on 'Daily Digest' at the top of > the FCC's > home page, then select the date from a January 2009 calendar. There's not > much > of intererest to report here, except the sale of a CP for a new station at > 1120 in > Maine. The buyer? Acme Communications. Could one of the principals be > Wile E. Coyote? Anyway, who would build an entirely new AM station in this > environment? > OK, Alex Langer, who wants to put a new AM at 1140 in Rhode Island, but > other than that... > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 8 19:23:02 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:23:02 -0500 Subject: FCC Applications & Actions In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901081455n264bf6a8nf826bb686e4ba01b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80901081455n264bf6a8nf826bb686e4ba01b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: FCC Applications & Actions > The principal of ACME Broadcasting II, Inc is a close, personal friend of > mine and recently purchase another facility, an actual radio station under > the name of second entity. I'm part of the second entity in the capacity > of > programming & research assistant. > > I believe that the owner of both the Richmond, Maine permit and the other > facility he purchased plans on doing some serious programming when > everything is in order and built. Richmond, Maine is a town of 3000 people. It is the most northern town in Sagadahoc County. If you have driven north on I-295, it is just north of my home of Bowdoinham, and just south of the town that I was born in, Gardiner. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 8 18:15:17 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:15:17 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed Message-ID: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> You just KNEW this would happen http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/consumer&id=6592603 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 8 20:55:03 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:55:03 -0500 Subject: FCC Applications & Actions References: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com><8bce0fe80901081455n264bf6a8nf826bb686e4ba01b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: R-i-i-i-i-ght! Just how long do you expect him to continue down the "serious programming" path? 90 days? If you are lucky, maybe. My guess: 90 days or Chapter 7, whichever occurs first. (Clock starts ticking when the FCC grants program test authoritiy.) But hey--it'll be another good learning experience for you. By now, though, you must be close to having had enough learning experiences to write a book about them. Ask Donna for references to book publishers. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > To: "Laurence Glavin" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: FCC Applications & Actions > >> >> I believe that the owner of both the Richmond, Maine permit and the >> other >> facility he purchased plans on doing some serious programming when >> everything is in order and built. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jan 9 00:39:34 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:39:34 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4966E316.7040601@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > You just KNEW this would happen > > http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/consumer&id=6592603 > At this point, would the broadcasters want to keep running their analog transmitters past 2/17 if it were permitted? --RC From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 8 20:49:32 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:49:32 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E29C36@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>You just KNEW this would happen http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/consumer&id=6592603<< Problem is, the public has been all but beaten over the head with the February 17th drop-dead date for analog and TV industry budgeting and scheduling have been built around that date ever since Congress set it in concrete. There are many TV stations nationwide who are losing the leased tower space for their analog antennas after 2/17 and must take them down. No matter how anyone tries to finagle this, there will still be some people who won't understand what's going on, and some who won't get their coupons or redeem them in time...and no delay for any reason is going to change those facts. Predictably the last thing Congress will be placing on their agenda anytime soon is more money for digital converter coupons. Methinks they have just a few other, more important things to worry about. The FCC floated a proposal a few weeks back to have stations keep their analog transmitters on after 2/17 with a message about the switchover and what to do about it. However, they quickly found out that an awful lot of analog transmitters will have no place to transmit from after 2/17. I don't know if that proposal is officially dead, but if you think about it, if the FCC decides to pursue it (or even just ask nicely) one station per market would probably be enough to get the message out. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 9 02:14:26 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:26 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa Message-ID: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_008230817.html >>Aiello, a chatty 96-year-old, phoned the station every Friday morning between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. for the past 30 years. Her weekly discussions earned the great-grandmother a following of her own. Regular Steve Leveille caller is upset at the cancellation of his show. The article also quotes the man who started the Bring Back Steve campaign: "It really is the death of local radio." From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 9 10:20:59 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:59 -0600 Subject: FCC Applications & Actions In-Reply-To: References: <20090108222655.C8213BE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80901081455n264bf6a8nf826bb686e4ba01b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901090720p74a9776ej31b4206a242c0729@mail.gmail.com> Mr. Strassberg, And just what do you know about the licensee, his means and what programming or resources in terms of equipment and staffing he has available to him? He already has a transmitter or two, some phasor and atu equipment, tower sections and various piece of studio equipment in storage.. something that will greatly reduce the cost of building and any ensuing debt with the facility. And when I say "serious programming", I mean this won't be a signal thats just fill of pay for play and crap like that either. For you , who doesn't know him, to make comments like that borders on unprofessional. I work with this man because I trust in him and believe in what he does. An 18 month extension of the CP was filed, as it would've expried on 12/22/08, but my friend (completely seperate and unrelated to the old licensee) is an SBA defined small business and will almost certainly get another 18 months to build. With some upgrade plans already in the works, the 1120 Richmond CP will cover Augusta just fine, so that won't be an issue. Do I know what he's going to program yet? No, he's not even sure just yet but we're working on some ideas.. and when the facility is ready to be built, someone from the company will be in the market surveying and seeing whats there.. and what isn't format wise. The other facility my friend bought is down in the Southeast United states, its one of only two radio stations in a country of 15,000 people with the other station being an satelitte driven KLove repeater. We have a GOOD idea of what will be done down there and no reason we can't succeed with that property. By the way, I seriously expect things to last more.. way more then 90 days. With all you seem to know about engineering and the fact you have the answers when it comes to programming.. why don't you go lease or purchase a radio station and program it? Whenever someone thinks about doing something, you won't know if you can succeed until you try.. and if you fail, at least you gave it a shot and tried to make a difference with your actions rather then just talking about it. You never want to wonder "what if" Paul Walker On 1/8/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > R-i-i-i-i-ght! Just how long do you expect him to continue down the > "serious programming" path? 90 days? If you are lucky, maybe. My > guess: 90 days or Chapter 7, whichever occurs first. (Clock starts > ticking when the FCC grants program test authoritiy.) But hey--it'll > be another good learning experience for you. By now, though, you must > be close to having had enough learning experiences to write a book > about them. Ask Donna for references to book publishers. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < >> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> >> To: "Laurence Glavin" >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: FCC Applications & Actions >> >> >>> I believe that the owner of both the Richmond, Maine permit and the >>> other >>> facility he purchased plans on doing some serious programming when >>> everything is in order and built. >>> >> > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 9 10:50:53 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:50:53 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> A few days ago Tom Taylor's radio-info.com newsletter (available free via email to those who want it) mentioned that KSCO in Santa Cruz, CA, is a commercial (talk) station that began to ask for donations from listeners to help its budget. I mentioned on radio-info's message board that WJIB has done pretty much did the same thing, and Taylor's column today has some quotes from Bob Bittner about it. Bob mentions that he raised money for both WJIB and WJTO to meet operating expenses such as music licensing, and that new regulations penalized smaller stations and benefited bigger ones. Bob says his music licensing fees have gone up from $6k per year to $40k per year. Bob said he made his request for donations over the air. The California station had listeners contribute via PayPal. The column can be seen by subscription via http://www.radio-info.com From mward@iname.com Fri Jan 9 10:59:30 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:59:30 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49677462.4060107@iname.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > A few days ago Tom Taylor's radio-info.com newsletter (available free via email to those who want it) > mentioned that KSCO in Santa Cruz, CA, is a commercial (talk) station that began to ask for donations > from listeners to help its budget. I mentioned on radio-info's message board that WJIB has done pretty much did the > same thing, and Taylor's column today has some quotes from Bob Bittner about it. I've got 'em both beat...after losing the station's studios to a fire, the woman who owned my first station owner got on and asked for listener donations back in 1990. :) In fact, that owner accused the receptionist (wife of our program director) of keeping checks donated to the station, though the receptionist was the innocent victim of other employees' incompetence - in specific, employees that worked directly for the owner at her other non-radio office a few miles from the station...who couldn't run a two car parade if the cars were already in front of her. From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 11:28:48 2009 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:28:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Weather cat walk-on Message-ID: <20090109162848.0F1245C151@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > One time, when I was visiting Maine, I flipped on channel 8 when the > transmitter was on Mt. Washington. They went from the studio to a special > room for weather forecasting on top of the Mount, and a cat was sitting > there on the counter as the mountaintop weatherman did his bit. Not a special room, and no forecasting was done there. Both the WMTW transmitter and the Mt Washington Weather Observatory had cats, the latter still does. The WMTW cat was a frequent on-screen presence, especially before they moved away from the table to just a chair. Marty Engstrom's final weather report is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNATQANryFc I'm sure whoever told Marty to smile at the end of his segment cringed everytime he did. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 10:50:07 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:50:07 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E29C36@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901081515r2c56d48eoc79a4c98fb26962b@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E29C36@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901090750x73eb42bagcfe36217b2bffd40@mail.gmail.com> Friend of mine in Cambridge got the coupons yesterday and they are already expired. ( he sent away for them in October ) I have one extra to give him. Nobody really knows how many TV's will be affected. My main TV is cable but the one in the bedroom is just OTA and I suspect there are millions of households like mine. I am finding the average person has DTV confused with HDTV. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 11:45:36 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:45:36 -0600 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> That article sums up the frustration nicely. Very few things in life can unite a 96 year old woman and a 20 year old college student. I think we all have accorded WBZ special status in our lifetime partly because of the signal but also their commitment to being local 24/7/365. I feel bad for Peter Casey as this has to be killing him inside. Sponsors stepped up and were rebuffed by CBS. I dunno but if CBS can support local sportstalk overnight in NY and Philly there has to be away to safe it on WBZ. On 1/9/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://www.salemnews.com/punews/local_story_008230817.html > >>>Aiello, a chatty 96-year-old, phoned the station every Friday morning >>> between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. for the past 30 years. Her weekly discussions >>> earned the great-grandmother a following of her own. > > Regular Steve Leveille caller is upset at the cancellation of his show. The > article also quotes the man who > started the Bring Back Steve campaign: "It really is the death of local > radio." > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 9 12:43:00 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:43:00 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com > References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:45 AM 1/9/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I feel bad for Peter Casey as this has to be killing him inside. >Sponsors stepped up and were rebuffed by CBS. I dunno but if CBS can >support local sportstalk overnight in NY and Philly there has to be >away to safe it on WBZ. The sense that I am getting is that the decison came from Dan Mason at CBS. I've known Dan for years, and he was always a "radio first" kind of guy, so the economic numbers for CBS must be pretty bad. But that said, is there anything fans and advertisers can do to stand with WBZ and let corporate know they MUST find a way to restore some of the live and local element that has made WBZ important for nearly ninety years? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 12:52:40 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:52:40 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: > .... and let corporate know they MUST find a way to restore some > of the live and local element that has made WBZ important for nearly > ninety years? SOME of the live and local elements? The station is live and local for 19 hours a day. Because they gave over 5 overnight hours to a 5 station show....doesn't mean the station is imploding. It is still the best station on the AM dial anywhere in New England. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 13:00:27 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:00:27 -0600 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> 5 hours could become 10 or more very easily. I don't know how much Dan bills but I don't think he is a big profit generator. Supposedly the Bruins bill 3-4 million which is one reason they are on BZ. On 1/9/09, Don A wrote: > >> .... and let corporate know they MUST find a way to restore some >> of the live and local element that has made WBZ important for nearly >> ninety years? > > SOME of the live and local elements? The station is live and local for 19 > hours a day. > > Because they gave over 5 overnight hours to a 5 station show....doesn't mean > the station is imploding. > > It is still the best station on the AM dial anywhere in New England. > > > > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 9 13:22:14 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:22:14 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:00 PM 1/9/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > > SOME of the live and local elements? The station is live and local for 19 > > hours a day. Umm, less and less live and local, due to cutting back the sports reporters like Tom Cuddy and Alan Siegal, removing the live and local weekend hosts, having fewer reporters to cover events, etc etc. It's not just the overnights. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 13:37:06 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:37:06 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> > At 01:00 PM 1/9/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> > >> > SOME of the live and local elements? The station is live and local for >> > 19 >> > hours a day. > > Umm, less and less live and local, due to cutting back the sports > reporters like Tom Cuddy and Alan Siegal, removing the live and local > weekend hosts, having fewer reporters to cover events, etc etc. So, by not having Tom and Alan they are not as live (or local)? Having fewer reporters is making them less live? I would guess that WBZ is one of the most expensive stations to run in Boston...and with the tough times they are going through, can anyone expect them NOT to be making some cutbacks? I would take some smart cutbacks....instead of scrapping the whole format. Someone on radio-info suggested it's time for CBS to sell WBZ. Does anyone think a new owner is all of the sudden going to start spending money like it's going out of style? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 13:29:29 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:29:29 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5177DA44C08B4B6CBC6110123189A9B3@MainXPPro> >5 hours could become 10 or more very easily.< But it hasn't. So, I have a hard time reading all the gloom and doom. And....WBZ hasn't given the hours over to some syndicator....it has retained control over them when they are sharing their own (CBS) product. They are not simply taking a show that 260 other stations are carrying...they are putting one show on 5 stations. While the industry is going through tough times, this is not the worst solution. I mean, if you are going to talk about cats, M&M's and fluffanutters, does the host have to be sitting in Allston? My biggest dissappointment over Jon Grayson, is that while he's "ok"...he's not "great". Reading some of the comments around the internet, I read things like "I will never listen to WBZ ever again because of this!" It's all getting to be a little over the top. Again, I am not happy with the change either......but it's not the worst choice they could have made. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:23:43 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:23:43 EST Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >Nobody really knows how many TV's will be affected. My main TV is< >cable but the one in the bedroom is just OTA and I suspect there are< >millions of households like mine.< The question I have for the cable companies is how long after the analog shutdown do they pull the plug on the analog cable channels? Comcast tells me they will remain the same for now. When is that? Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 13:54:57 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:54:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed Message-ID: <345874.8203.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>Friend of mine in Cambridge got the coupons yesterday and they are >>already expired. ( he sent away for them in October ) I finally convinced my 83 year old my near Orlando Florida to send away for her 2 coupons in late December ('08). She got her valid coupons two days ago, and went to Radio Shack yesterday for her two converters. The next trick is will she or somebody she knows hook them up, and will she have to wait until I arrive in April to get hooked up. My sister/brother-in-law just left my mom's a couple of days before the coupons arrived! John B Derry NH From sid@wrko.com Fri Jan 9 14:56:52 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:52 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>The question I have for the cable companies is how long after the analog shutdown do they pull the plug on the analog cable channels? Comcast tells me they will remain the same for now. When is that?<< RCN did it on their own last month. I seem to recall something about a 2012 deadline for digital conversion of cable, but I don't know if that's still on or not. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 9 15:41:07 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:41:07 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <49677462.4060107@iname.com> References: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, <49677462.4060107@iname.com> Message-ID: <49677013.17905.2B06F4@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Jan 2009 Mike Ward wrote: > I've got 'em both beat...after losing the station's studios to a fire, > the woman who owned my first station owner got on and asked for > listener donations back in 1990. :) And of course, there was Simon Geller. When did he start asking for donations? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 9 16:07:49 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:07:49 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon Message-ID: <4967BCA5.1070109@ttlc.net> If WRKO's morning man, Tom Finneran, receives the pardon he's requested from President Bush, will Howie Carr no longer be able to legitimately call him a "convicted felon?" From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 16:57:15 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:57:15 -0600 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <49677013.17905.2B06F4@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <49677462.4060107@iname.com> <49677013.17905.2B06F4@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091357q56667d9axb7d9f62ba88a2823@mail.gmail.com> I will never forget the evening my girlfriend and I visited him in the late 80's. He asked if we wanted a pizza and then did a commercial ad lib. I think Simon lived off trade-offs. He was a genuine character. I didn't like what the FCC did to him by adding WRBB to 104.9 but I guess he was not the most popular owner at the FCC Custom House offices. On 1/9/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9 Jan 2009 Mike Ward wrote: > >> I've got 'em both beat...after losing the station's studios to a fire, >> the woman who owned my first station owner got on and asked for >> listener donations back in 1990. :) > > And of course, there was Simon Geller. When did he start asking for > donations? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 17:09:58 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:09:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091357q56667d9axb7d9f62ba88a2823@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448669.22306.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1/9/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > He was a genuine character. I didn't like what the FCC > did to him by > adding WRBB to 104.9 but I guess he was not the most > popular owner at > the FCC Custom House offices. Where was WRBB pre-move? ISTR 90.3 or 91.3. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 17:25:33 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations References: <20090109155053.CB4CE83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <49677462.4060107@iname.com> <49677013.17905.2B06F4@Joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770901091357q56667d9axb7d9f62ba88a2823@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <850807.22255.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Simon was appointment listening when I was at Gordon College in the mid-80s. If he wasn't doing a plug he was complaining about having to go to the doctors or having to shut down the station to grocery shop on Wendesdays. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: A. Joseph Ross Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 4:57:15 PM Subject: Re: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations I will never forget the evening my girlfriend and I visited him in the late 80's. He asked if we wanted a pizza and then did a commercial ad lib. I think Simon lived off trade-offs. He was a genuine character. I didn't like what the FCC did to him by adding WRBB to 104.9 but I guess he was not the most popular owner at the FCC Custom House offices. On 1/9/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9 Jan 2009 Mike Ward wrote: > >> I've got 'em both beat...after losing the station's studios to a fire, >> the woman who owned my first station owner got on and asked for >> listener donations back in 1990.? :) > > And of course, there was Simon Geller.? When did he start asking for > donations? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700? ? ? ? ? ? Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004? ? ? ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 17:52:53 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:52:53 -0600 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <448669.22306.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770901091357q56667d9axb7d9f62ba88a2823@mail.gmail.com> <448669.22306.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091452r16251eafp545df2e64dbec58f@mail.gmail.com> WRBB was first on 91.7 The archives never did a profile for WRBB. The station morphed from campus only WNEU and Donna might know when that happened. The station's history page says they moved to 104.9 in 1970 but I think it was later than that. I had no trouble getting Radio Simon in Cambridge until the mid 80's. Ironically the WNEU call letters resurfaced on a New Hampshire TV station and I wonder if somebody involved with it went to Northeastern. On 1/9/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Fri, 1/9/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> He was a genuine character. I didn't like what the FCC >> did to him by >> adding WRBB to 104.9 but I guess he was not the most >> popular owner at >> the FCC Custom House offices. > > Where was WRBB pre-move? ISTR 90.3 or 91.3. > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 14:54:05 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:54:05 -0600 Subject: do people know AM still exists? Message-ID: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> In reading the column by the Hartford personality who lost his WTIC talk show he pressed one point. Many of his potential listeners were not sure they could get AM in their cars. I have long suspected many under 40 have no clue what AM is with the exception of Red Sox fans (and WEEI whiners) Of course now we are producing a generation that doesn't listen to FM for music either. WBUR obviously has a large audience for news both morning and afernoons. (we just not exactly sure how large) While I cannot see AM dying in the US the way it has across most of Canada it is becoming a vast wasteland that would horrify Newton Minnow today. But how do we fix it? From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Jan 9 18:27:57 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:27:57 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" Message-ID: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> More bad news from Soldiers Field Road: bostonherald.com reports that Gil Santos is leaving WBZ Radio at the end of the month. It's not clear, according to the story, if he'll continue doing Patriots play-by-play. http://bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_01_09_Gil_Santos_saying_goodbye_to_WBZ/ From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 9 18:33:13 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:33:13 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18791.57017.152174.876848@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > While I cannot see AM dying in the US the way it has across most of > Canada it is becoming a vast wasteland that would horrify Newton > Minnow today. Mr. Minow (note one 'n') is still alive, and senior counsel at the very Chicago law firm where the President-elect met his wife. The Wikipedia article about him claims that he was the one who recruited Mr. Obama to the firm. He published a book last year about presidential debates. Presumably his opinions about today's media landscape are at least knowable. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 18:38:58 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:38:58 -0600 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> No secret that Jonathan Kraft want Gil to ride off into the sunset. He has slipped badly the past two seasons. Kraft wants Sean McDonough who could easily work the Pats into his ESPN schedule. Irony is Sprint this year picked an audio clip of Gil for their NFL Mobile feature. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 9 18:44:56 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:44:56 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18791.57720.353259.197399@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > No secret that Jonathan Kraft want Gil to ride off into the sunset. He > has slipped badly the past two seasons. That wouldn't necessarily affect his employment at WBZ, but I guess they've decided that there won't be any sports reporting at the station any more. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Fri Jan 9 18:56:04 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:56:04 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>While I cannot see AM dying in the US the way it has across most of Canada it is becoming a vast wasteland that would horrify Newton Minnow today.<< AM is dying in Canada because the government wants it that way. One could argue, I suppose, that the way FCC regulates radio in the US has effectively marginalized AM, but at least here there's no specific government policy to kill AM. Canada is gradually moving all radio programming to FM stations and taking the AMs down permanently, although they remain "notified" to the other North American countries for treaty purposes and interference calculations. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI - WEEI-FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI - WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 19:08:16 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:08:16 -0600 Subject: do people know AM still exists? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091608h4d370371xdc08daa2010ad68a@mail.gmail.com> At least WEEI caught a break when CKVL went dark as that station never went to night pattern and just killed EEI at night. I don't understand the logic of what Canada is doing as the AM's in big cities will continue to operate. Could somebody petition the CRTC to put a new signal on 1070 as was done in Montreal and Toronto? I also am amused that Radio-Canada doesn't appear to be vacating 860 in Toronto anytime soon. On 1/9/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>>While I cannot see AM dying in the US the way it has across most of > Canada it is becoming a vast wasteland that would horrify Newton > Minnow today.<< > > AM is dying in Canada because the government wants it that way. One could > argue, I suppose, that the way FCC regulates radio in the US has effectively > marginalized AM, but at least here there's no specific government policy to > kill AM. > > Canada is gradually moving all radio programming to FM stations and taking > the AMs down permanently, although they remain "notified" to the other North > American countries for treaty purposes and interference calculations. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI - WEEI-FM - WKAF > WMKK - WRKO - WVEI - WVEI-FM > WEEI Sports Radio Network > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 9 19:13:53 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:13:53 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > No secret that Jonathan Kraft want Gil to ride off into the sunset. He > has slipped badly the past two seasons. > Kevin, You have alluded to Gil "slipping" before. For benefit of non-football aficionados such as myself, perhaps you might please elaborate a bit more. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 9 19:30:35 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:30:35 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4967EC2B.2010306@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > For some reason 1030 and channel 4 don't co-mingle very much which is odd > as they share the same space in the newsroom. > Possible union jurisdiction or pay issues for on-air? From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 19:27:08 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:27:08 -0600 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> Sadly it is basic stuff like what down and yards to go he is getting wrong. Sometimes mis-calls what receiver was thrown to. Football you can not cover your tracks like you can in baseball as too much is happening. Curt Gowdy was a disaster when WHDH hired him to do the Pats and it was even worse when WBUR hired Ken Coleman to do football in the early 90's. Poor Ken kept calling BU Boston College. BZ 'could' solve the sports problem by simply having the channel 4 sports anchor tape the morning sports after the 11 as usually the local teams are done. Afternoons they could use channel 4 again. For some reason 1030 and channel 4 don't co-mingle very much which is odd as they share the same space in the newsroom. On 1/9/09, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> No secret that Jonathan Kraft want Gil to ride off into the sunset. He >> has slipped badly the past two seasons. >> > Kevin, > > You have alluded to Gil "slipping" before. For benefit of non-football > aficionados such as myself, perhaps you might please elaborate a bit more. > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Jan 9 19:01:13 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:01:13 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <18791.57720.353259.197399@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> <18791.57720.353259.197399@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <2D9F33DB-DE13-4195-916F-DF5F9E208368@charter.net> Like the overnight show, this looks like a corporate, not a local directive. In New York, the sports flash announcers at WFAN are voicing sports reports at WINS. The same thing is happening in Philadelphia, where KYW sports updates are being handled by WIP talent. I'm sure that would be happening here if CBS had a co-owned sports talker. Instead, they're having the main news talent do them. If I want to find out the latest sports info, I'll listen to WEEI. Gil sounds like he's been mailing it in since Gary retired and Tom Cuddy never really appealed to me. I don't see it as much of a loss, IMHO. -Dave Tomm On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> No secret that Jonathan Kraft want Gil to ride off into the sunset. >> He >> has slipped badly the past two seasons. > > That wouldn't necessarily affect his employment at WBZ, but I guess > they've decided that there won't be any sports reporting at the > station any more. > > -GAWollman > From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 9 20:33:09 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:33:09 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mark Laurence" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Gil Santos "retiring" > Kraft wants Sean McDonough who could easily work the Pats into his > ESPN schedule. If Gil has to go, Sean is a great choice to replace him. From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 9 22:17:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:17:19 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > So, by not having Tom and Alan they are not as live (or local)? > > Having fewer reporters is making them less live? Yes. Local reporting, boots on the ground or in the newsroom are the essential local elements. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Fri Jan 9 22:20:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:20:19 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon In-Reply-To: <4967BCA5.1070109@ttlc.net> References: <4967BCA5.1070109@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <496813F3.3060409@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > If WRKO's morning man, Tom Finneran, receives the pardon he's > requested from President Bush, will > Howie Carr no longer be able to legitimately call him a "convicted > felon?" > Great question. Perhaps a pardoned convicted felon? Esteemed colleague? Bill O' From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 22:46:02 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:46:02 -0600 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901091946m27b2eceaj171442b5bd33837d@mail.gmail.com> With WBZ radio pretty much eliminating the sports department I am worried about the job status of the man who made Gil and Tom look good. His name is Johnny Miller and for almost 40 years he has been WBZ's locker room reporter. I can tell you firsthand he is the most trusted reporter of ballplayers in all sports. Those of you familiar with Johnny know that he succeeded in radio even though he was physically challened. Scott can you find out from your sources at 1170 what his status is? On 1/9/09, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Don A wrote: >> So, by not having Tom and Alan they are not as live (or local)? >> >> Having fewer reporters is making them less live? > Yes. Local reporting, boots on the ground or in the newsroom are the > essential local elements. > > Bill O'Neill > From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 9 22:55:29 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:55:29 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091946m27b2eceaj171442b5bd33837d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> <4fc429770901091946m27b2eceaj171442b5bd33837d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49681C31.7020608@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott can you find out from your sources at 1170 what his status is? I'll try - but the purges there have sent most of them packing, too. I can just about count on two hands the number of people who were there when I left 12 years ago (!) and still remain. And yes, I share your feelings about Johnny. He's one of the great unsung heroes of Boston radio. (And he got me some amazing tickets at Fenway, back in the day...) s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 23:12:48 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:12:48 -0600 Subject: Johnny Miller was: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa Message-ID: <4fc429770901092012n7cee7f0btc0e141f361be1b61@mail.gmail.com> The man is beloved in the Boston sports community by players and other reporters. To anyone new to the beat he would be the first one to offer advice. When a new player would join a Boston team other players made sure the newcomer would not be startled by Johnny. Players would give him quotes that they would not give to anyone else because they trusted him. Another thing that makes these cutbacks at WBZ scary. Other stations can now point and say if BZ is cutting back we can as well. On 1/9/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Scott can you find out from your sources at 1170 what his status is? > > I'll try - but the purges there have sent most of them packing, too. I > can just about count on two hands the number of people who were there > when I left 12 years ago (!) and still remain. > > And yes, I share your feelings about Johnny. He's one of the great > unsung heroes of Boston radio. (And he got me some amazing tickets at > Fenway, back in the day...) > > s > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 9 23:33:22 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:33:22 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Jan 2009 at 14:56, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>The question I have for the cable companies is how long after the > >>analog > shutdown do they pull the plug on the analog cable channels? Comcast > tells me they will remain the same for now. When is that?<< > > RCN did it on their own last month. I seem to recall something about > a 2012 deadline for digital conversion of cable, but I don't know if > that's still on or not. Does this mean that RCN subscribers will have to get new TVs or adaptors? What, exactly, does this mean? Comcast has been saying, if you have Comcast, we've got you covered. How log will they have us covered before we have to get new TV sets anyway? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 9 23:33:22 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:33:22 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4967DEC2.7913.83CA6F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Jan 2009 at 18:56, Sid Schweiger wrote: > AM is dying in Canada because the government wants it that way. One > could argue, I suppose, that the way FCC regulates radio in the US has > effectively marginalized AM, but at least here there's no specific > government policy to kill AM. > > Canada is gradually moving all radio programming to FM stations and > taking the AMs down permanently, although they remain "notified" to > the other North American countries for treaty purposes and > interference calculations. So how come a new station was allowed to go on 740 after CBL moved to FM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 9 23:39:53 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:39:53 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901092039l140ed02alc40babffd0ca9801@mail.gmail.com> If you have cable tv, you don't need an adapter/converter or new tv if the cable company has the digital sigfnals on their system On 1/9/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 9 Jan 2009 at 14:56, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > > >>The question I have for the cable companies is how long after the > > >>analog > > shutdown do they pull the plug on the analog cable channels? Comcast > > tells me they will remain the same for now. When is that?<< > > > > RCN did it on their own last month. I seem to recall something about > > a 2012 deadline for digital conversion of cable, but I don't know if > > that's still on or not. > > Does this mean that RCN subscribers will have to get new TVs or > adaptors? > > What, exactly, does this mean? Comcast has been saying, if you have > Comcast, we've got you covered. How log will they have us covered > before we have to get new TV sets anyway? > > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Jan 9 23:43:10 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:43:10 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58A9CCF0EC10404AB09E9E8955CD7E89@hpomnibook2> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@comcast.net] At least there is still some good talent on AM-Stereo Music Stations in Canada! While I cannot see AM dying in the US the way it has across most of Canada it is becoming a vast wasteland that would horrify Newton Minnow today. But how do we fix it? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 9 23:50:20 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:50:20 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What, exactly, does this mean? Comcast has been saying, if you have > Comcast, we've got you covered. How log will they have us covered > before we have to get new TV sets anyway? Depends on whether you care to rent a box from them.... Even now they pretty much assume that every sub has a box, and they're sometimes caught short by those who prefer to be able to scan through their favorite channels in *both* directions, or perform other amazing feats of remote-control agility. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 9 23:53:03 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:53:03 -0600 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770901092053m9a1e98dmb5ecbc5c1a6ea40b@mail.gmail.com> Fred Cusick left on his own terms but Ned Martin was fired by NESN after the 1992 season. Nationally Vin Scully is still going strong at the age of 80 and will celebrate his 60th year doing the Dodgers. Harry Kalas in Philadelphia is getting hard to listen to now. On 1/9/09, Howard Glazer wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Roger Kirk > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: Gil Santos "retiring" > > >> Sadly it is basic stuff like what down and yards to go he is getting >> wrong. Sometimes mis-calls what receiver was thrown to. >> >> Football you can not cover your tracks like you can in baseball as too >> much is happening. >> >> Curt Gowdy was a disaster when WHDH hired him to do the Pats and it >> was even worse when WBUR hired Ken Coleman to do football in the early >> 90's. Poor Ken kept calling BU Boston College. >> > > It happens to just about everyone once they reach their 60s or 70s, whether > you talk for a living or not. Dick Stockton's work during the baseball > playoffs was painful to listen to, and he's definitely lost a step as an NFL > play-by-play man too. As with Santos, the voice is still there, but the > sharpness isn't. > > Can radio or TV force out a senior play-by-play man who still has the pipes > but is not as quick on the uptake as he used to be without facing an age > discrimination complaint? I'm wonder if that's why so many play-by-play > announcers remain on-air into their 60s and 70s, even after their decline is > audibly under way. > > Howard > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 10 00:03:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:03:33 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901092103u228ca250s942f35b8f4eb3039@mail.gmail.com> Nice stat in the NY Times today. The FCC will have a special call center to handle questions and they expect the first few days to get over a million and a half calls. However the call centers will only be able to handle 350,000 calls a dau. I predict the biggest issues that callers will have.. 1. What happened? Nobody told me... 2. Some of my channels vanished ( have to rescan box ) 3. I got channels 9, 10 and 12 fine beforehand now I can't. I think #3 will be the biggest headache for all involved. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 9 23:45:22 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:45:22 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com><4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com><4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Roger Kirk Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Gil Santos "retiring" > Sadly it is basic stuff like what down and yards to go he is getting > wrong. Sometimes mis-calls what receiver was thrown to. > > Football you can not cover your tracks like you can in baseball as too > much is happening. > > Curt Gowdy was a disaster when WHDH hired him to do the Pats and it > was even worse when WBUR hired Ken Coleman to do football in the early > 90's. Poor Ken kept calling BU Boston College. > It happens to just about everyone once they reach their 60s or 70s, whether you talk for a living or not. Dick Stockton's work during the baseball playoffs was painful to listen to, and he's definitely lost a step as an NFL play-by-play man too. As with Santos, the voice is still there, but the sharpness isn't. Can radio or TV force out a senior play-by-play man who still has the pipes but is not as quick on the uptake as he used to be without facing an age discrimination complaint? I'm wonder if that's why so many play-by-play announcers remain on-air into their 60s and 70s, even after their decline is audibly under way. Howard From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 10 00:33:52 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:33:52 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes Message-ID: <3415D7AFEF4F494787BAB9CB8BCE1357@hpomnibook2> I try not to reminisce too much anymore with respect to how lucky I was to grow up in Boston during a time when Boston Radio had incredible TOP 40 and MOR formats run on radio stations with talented jocks. However, as I watched Alan Colmes and Sean Hannity say so long to "Hannity and Colmes", because Alan exits the highly rated show they both have made very successful tonight for good, I thought of Boston Radio. WEZE came to mind, circa 1973-75, an era when Boston Morning Radio had so many great morning shows; it was difficult to know who to listen to. Alan Colmes, the then morning man at 1260 WEZE was such a funny and talented morning man. (Oh yea, those were the days before it took a "zoo" crew to fake their laughs and claps and..talent.) During the mid-seventies the choices were plentiful in Boston for good radio. Note the choices: Stereo 105 had Greg Austin in Boston, WCOZ had George Taylor Morris, (and others), WAAF had Tom Doyle, (and others), WBZ had Carl (never liked him on the air personally), WHDH had Jess Cain, WMEX had Jim Connors (and others), BCN had "Chuck", and my favorite..Dale Dorman with Bill Rossi (news) on "The Big 68". Our selection in Boston and the surrounding area was endless. Let's not forget the LOCAL and LIVE overnights stations all had: WEZE had Bob Stuart with Music/Talk (I would drive by and wave to him at the Statler Hotel studio window), Leslie Palmiter (sp?) on WCOZ, and my all time favorite overnight host: the one and only Larry Glick! In those days, New York radio did nothing for me. Boston had incredible talent on so many "pop" radio stations, some 5KW, others 50KW, it just didn't seem to matter. It was a time when many Bostonians turned to radio, not only for the music, but as a friend, providing fun all-day-long (not just AM Drive), favorite tunes, information, contests, and jocks with personality. Anyway, before several respond back to inform me that times have changed, that type of radio is "old", and we have to contend with IPODS, MP3 Players FM, HD, XM and blah,,,,,blah,,,,,blah, I can remember having to contend with AM, FM, reel to reel, Cassettes, 8-Tracks, and AM-DX'ing of other great radio stations across half of the US and Canada. Yet, I still stuck to the transistor radio because it was fun and offered something a kid could relate to. Radio stations worked very hard back then to BEAT the Competition. Today, they throw in the towel and blame IPODS, as they (radio stations) lie down and play dead. Well, before they got greedy and died off, maybe AM/FM radio should have worked even harder in spite of the IPODS and MP3 players, but no, it was all about saving money, corporate conglomerate greed, satellites, re-wounds of shows, syndicated news, and eventually even I wondered, what is there on radio for me to even power it on? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 01:14:19 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:14:19 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> > Don A wrote: >> So, by not having Tom and Alan they are not as live (or local)? >> >> Having fewer reporters is making them less live? > > Yes. Local reporting, boots on the ground or in the newsroom are the > essential local elements. Does it suddenly make them more "national" to have less reporters in the newsroom? Are they suddenly substituting national reports for those missing local reporters? From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Jan 10 01:22:00 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:22:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <21058974.1231568520651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Kevin Vahey" > Friday, January 9, 2009 5:52 PM > > WRBB was first on 91.7 > > The station morphed from campus only WNEU and Donna > might know when that happened. The station's history > page says they moved to 104.9 in 1970 but I think it > was later than that. They don't know their own history. 1970 was when WRBB first took to the airwaves on 91.7. I remember because, when WBRS Brandeis (then also 91.7) was off the air, I could actually hear WRBB where I grew up in Newton and it was a new station on the airwaves at the time. (It was formerly closed-circuit WNEU). Both WRBB and WBRS didn't move into the commercial band (104.9 and 100.1 respectively) until the mid-1980s, I think it was 1986, leaving WMWM Salem the only occupant of 91.7 that can be heard (faintly) in Boston proper, between splash from adjacents WMFO 91.5 and WUMB 91.9. EP From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jan 10 00:27:31 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:27:31 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901092103u228ca250s942f35b8f4eb3039@mail.gmail.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901092103u228ca250s942f35b8f4eb3039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > 3. I got channels 9, 10 and 12 fine beforehand now I can't. > > I think #3 will be the biggest headache for all involved. "I used to get actual English speaking TV shows, now I get nothing except channel 27." Or, "it seems like it's going to work, but then the damn thing goes blank every 5 minutes." From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 10 01:55:24 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:55:24 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18792.18012.896848.389075@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Are they suddenly substituting national reports for those missing local > reporters? Yes. About a year ago, they started running chunks of badly-edited CBS Evening audio in the hole between the 7:05p wx check and the 7:09p MarketWatch blurb. I assume that's what passes for "synergy" these days. On the weekends, there is nearly no local reporting at all. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 10 01:58:44 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:58:44 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901092103u228ca250s942f35b8f4eb3039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18792.18212.582272.926449@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > "I used to get actual English speaking TV shows, now I get nothing > except channel 27." No, it's pretty hard to get only channel 27 (DTV 29)... They would at least be getting channel 66 (DTV 23) as well. Post-transition, 66 is moving to 27, and 27 is staying on 29, for reasons which are not at all obvious to me. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 10 02:36:59 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:36:59 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon Message-ID: <20090110073659.2BF9383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Probably yes; he was convicted but did not do time. He may be excused and allowed to get his law license back, etc., but I believe he would still be considered a felon. Just as, to use another current event, the local legislature can turn down that pay increase and donate it to charity if they wish--but it will still count towards their pension (salary-based) From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Jan 10 03:10:44 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:10:44 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon In-Reply-To: <20090110073659.2BF9383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090110073659.2BF9383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Plus the fact that the previous 4 Republican governors (Weld, Celucci, Swifty and Mittens) all wrote letters of recommendation to the Republican president asking for the pardon. If it happens, will Howie call out all those GOoPers that went to bat for Tommy? I tend to think not. He'll figure out a way to blame it on Gov. Patrick or Sal Demacey... A pardon could restore his state pension as well as his law license, which would make it much easier for him to walk away from WRKO once his deals up, if not sooner. Maybe that's why Entercom only signed him to a one year extension. I'm sure they want him to get the pardon as much as he does! -Dave Tomm On Jan 10, 2009, at 2:36 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Probably yes; he was convicted but did not do time. He may be > excused and allowed to > get his law license back, etc., but I believe he would still be > considered a felon. > Just as, to use another current event, the local legislature can > turn down that > pay increase and donate it to charity if they wish--but it will > still count > towards their pension (salary-based) > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 10 07:52:17 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:52:17 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? References: <4fc429770901091154i57acb445se8db7308653f21aa@mail.gmail.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6A2@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.7913.83CA6F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <72D6891D7C5E42638E00BFFD7A91DC64@SatU205S5044> What was CHWO (now CFZM or something like that) was not, technically, a new station. It moved from a Class B on what? (1350?) licensed to what? (Oshawa? Oakville?) to the Class A 740 channel in (nearby) Toronto. Something similar happened in Montreal. When the CBC's 690 and 940 (both Class As) went dark, what had been CFCF moved from 600 to 940 and (IIRC) CKVL (which had been licensed to a Montreal suburb--Verdun?--moved from 850 to 690). CBJ was eventually replaced on 1580 by CKDO, albeit not in CBJ's old CoL of Chicoutami. Will one of the commercial Windsor AMs move to 1550 to replace CBE? CBE was a very rare Class A AM operating with less than 50 kW. I know of only one other such station in the US or Canada--KNZR 1560 in Bakersfield CA. Anyhow, the CRTC seems to want the few remaining Canadian AMs (nearly all of which are in large cities where FM allocations are scarce or nonexistent) to move to vacated frequencies where they can improve their facilities. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: "bostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: RE: do people know AM still exists? > On 9 Jan 2009 at 18:56, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> AM is dying in Canada because the government wants it that way. >> One >> could argue, I suppose, that the way FCC regulates radio in the US >> has >> effectively marginalized AM, but at least here there's no specific >> government policy to kill AM. >> >> Canada is gradually moving all radio programming to FM stations and >> taking the AMs down permanently, although they remain "notified" to >> the other North American countries for treaty purposes and >> interference calculations. > > So how come a new station was allowed to go on 740 after CBL moved > to > FM? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 10 09:48:41 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:48:41 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Does this mean that RCN subscribers will have to get new TVs or adaptors?<< RCN subscribers currently need to have a cable box and/or dual-tuner DVR. >>Comcast has been saying, if you have Comcast, we've got you covered. How log will they have us covered before we have to get new TV sets anyway?<< AFAIK no one is being required to replace their TV set (at least for as long as converter boxes are being made). As I stated previously, I had heard something about a mandatory deadline sometime in 2012 for cable systems to go full digital, but I don't know if that's still on track or not. What Comcast is saying *now* is that "we've got you covered" for the OTA digital transition next month. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 10 09:53:47 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:53:47 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes References: <3415D7AFEF4F494787BAB9CB8BCE1357@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <617BC8E47AD74C31AEAC97BC65EF52A2@SatU205S5044> What about "Speed" Anderson overnights on WEZE? I don't know that I ever knew "Speed's" first name but he played great jazz (at least the kind of jazz I enjoy; a lot of people probably think it doesn't qualify for the name jazz). Given the current connotation of the word speed, I suspect that if Anderson were alive today and working in radio (he probably isn't; he didn't seem especially young in those days and that was more than 30 years ago), he almost surely would have needed some nickname other than Speed--or Easy Speed as he sometimes called himself. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Seacoast" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Hannity and Colmes Let's not forget the LOCAL and LIVE overnights stations all had: WEZE had Bob Stuart with Music/Talk (I would drive by and wave to him at the Statler Hotel studio window), Leslie Palmiter (sp?) on WCOZ, and my all time favorite overnight host: the one and only Larry Glick! From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 10 10:17:44 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:17:44 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> There's an editorial in the NY Times today entitled "The Looming TV Blackout" In it, they refer, twice, to "miscalculations by government and industry" without actually explaining specifically what these miscalculations are. Any ideas about these "miscalculations?" From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 10 10:57:55 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:57:55 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770901100757l3ee3ee01ladb0f2d88f3b20b8@mail.gmail.com> I have another older friend who told me yesterday he hopes there is no delay as he plans to drop cable after the switch. I asked him why he was dropping Comcast and he said my new converter box will get CNN, ESPN and NESN so who needs cable. I asked him where he got this info and he said the City Of Cambridge Senior Center. Lovely. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jan 10 11:40:20 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:40:20 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <3C80F89B-68D1-4C84-A9A7-3E0C9639336A@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Roger Kirk wrote: > There's an editorial in the NY Times today entitled "The Looming TV > Blackout" > > In it, they refer, twice, to "miscalculations by government and > industry" without actually explaining > specifically what these miscalculations are. > > Any ideas about these "miscalculations?" One is how much money they needed for the converter coupons, since they seem to be out of money at the time when most people would be waking up and discovering they'd better do something about their TV right now. Another is the new coverage area. I don't think people realize even now how poor it's going to be. Antenna geeks near the city will be fine, but I think many people who use rabbit ears from 35 miles away are in for an unpleasant surprise. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 10 12:12:37 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:12:37 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon Message-ID: <20090110171237.5F940CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Well, Romney, to his credit, did not write a letter of recommendation. All 4 former Republican governors, though (sorry for politics folks!) are considered "Republicans in Name Only" by many conservatives (I'm unenrolled and conservative on most issues; politically I would agree with Weld and Romney; Swift was an embarassment). I don't know if Bush would pardon him, though. (As I've said before, where people stand depends on where you are on the political spectrum. My friend in Cal-ee-for-nee-a probably feels The Governator is far right wing. Many conservatives, though, call him a RINO or even liberal!) Howie probably would go after them, but not as stridently as he goes after Finneran himself. He does occasionally poke fun at Republicans, such as Swift, Matt Amorello, Larry Craig ("I go to that bathroom regularly"), etc. Interesting though that, indeed, he could walk away from the sneaker building if he gets the pardon! From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 10 13:38:00 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:38:00 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> > There's an editorial in the NY Times today entitled "The Looming TV > Blackout" > > In it, they refer, twice, to "miscalculations by government and > industry" without actually explaining > specifically what these miscalculations are. > > Any ideas about these "miscalculations?" [Brian Vita] Its just the Gray Lady's usual new style of finger pointing reporting. They are so against the current administration that they've lost sight of factual articles and now resort to innuendo and unsubstantiated rumor. The once proud bastion of accuracy is now a joke. I can't look at it anymore. Brian From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 10 14:54:22 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:54:22 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > Does it suddenly make them more "national" to have less reporters in > the newsroom? No, simply less relevant. Less necessary. Redundant. > > Are they suddenly substituting national reports for those missing > local reporters? The clock is the clock. You have inventory (dwindling, but...) and then you have elements to fill in the time between the spots. The relevance is the thing. Bill O' From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 10 14:56:36 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:56:36 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4968FD74.5050706@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > In it, they refer, twice, to "miscalculations by government and > industry" without actually explaining > specifically what these miscalculations are. Don't worry, industry will take the hit after 1/20/09 anyway. b From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 10 15:02:34 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:02:34 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> Message-ID: <4968FEDA.6040906@gabrielmass.com> Brian Vita wrote: >> There's an editorial in the NY Times today entitled "The Looming TV >> Blackout" >> >> In it, they refer, twice, to "miscalculations by government and >> industry" without actually explaining >> specifically what these miscalculations are. >> >> Any ideas about these "miscalculations?" > [Brian Vita] > Its just the Gray Lady's usual new style of finger pointing reporting. They > are so against the current administration that they've lost sight of factual > articles and now resort to innuendo and unsubstantiated rumor. The once > proud bastion of accuracy is now a joke. I can't look at it anymore. I'm not a fan of the NYT, but I think the term "miscalculations" probably does fit here. As Garrett mentioned, "the FCC assumes that all OTA television viewers have an outdoor antenna 30 feet above ground". This is certainly not true at present. To keep their current reception, some viewers will have to install an outdoor antenna or raise the one they have. Some renters, condo-dwellers, and residents of trailer parks won't be permitted to do that. There will be great whining and gnashing of teeth! By the way, how's the transition in Wilmington going? Hawaii's next week! -- --RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 10 15:03:34 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:03:34 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> <4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4968FF16.1040205@gabrielmass.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > > The clock is the clock. "You give us twenty-two minutes, and we'll give you the same news stories three times!" -- --RC From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 10 15:49:20 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:49:20 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes In-Reply-To: <617BC8E47AD74C31AEAC97BC65EF52A2@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <3F5C365BB056431D93FA7B24DF81B1CD@hpomnibook2> Hi Dan: I don't remember "Speed" on WEZE. As I recall 1260 was known as "The Wonderful World of Music", when I was in my early teens. At that time, I was still into WMEX, and to a lesser degree WRKO. By the time I started listening to WEZE, they were a Top 40/Oldies hybrid of some sort. I think the line-up was Alan Colmes, Bill Lowell, Steve Hunter, Keith Simmons (Ron Dryer), and Bob Stuart. (Other than Colmes and Stuart, I don't exactly recall the jock shifts.) I know a few of the jocks changed during the era. Chip Hobart was in their somewhere, as was Neil Gran (Cannon). SS -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:54 AM To: theseacoast@ebradio.net; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Hannity and Colmes What about "Speed" Anderson overnights on WEZE? I don't know that I ever knew "Speed's" first name but he played great jazz (at least the kind of jazz I enjoy; a lot of people probably think it doesn't qualify for the name jazz). Given the current connotation of the word speed, I suspect that if Anderson were alive today and working in radio (he probably isn't; he didn't seem especially young in those days and that was more than 30 years ago), he almost surely would have needed some nickname other than Speed--or Easy Speed as he sometimes called himself. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Seacoast" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Hannity and Colmes Let's not forget the LOCAL and LIVE overnights stations all had: WEZE had Bob Stuart with Music/Talk (I would drive by and wave to him at the Statler Hotel studio window), Leslie Palmiter (sp?) on WCOZ, and my all time favorite overnight host: the one and only Larry Glick! From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 10 15:58:28 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:58:28 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes References: <3F5C365BB056431D93FA7B24DF81B1CD@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <891FF3B57EC64CFBB8119542581B4154@SatU205S5044> Either you weren't living on the NH seacoast back then or 1270 in where is it? Dover? Portsmouth? hadn't been built yet. I doubt that WMKI (ex-WEZE) is receivable up there by anyone besides the most dedicated DXer with a good communications receiver. And even with such a setup, 1270's sidebands must make listening to WMKI unpleasant at best. Of course, there are those who say that listening to RadioDisney is unpleasant even without interference from first-adjacents. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Seacoast" To: "'Dan.Strassberg'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Hannity and Colmes Hi Dan: I don't remember "Speed" on WEZE. As I recall 1260 was known as "The Wonderful World of Music", when I was in my early teens. At that time, I was still into WMEX, and to a lesser degree WRKO. By the time I started listening to WEZE, they were a Top 40/Oldies hybrid of some sort. I think the line-up was Alan Colmes, Bill Lowell, Steve Hunter, Keith Simmons (Ron Dryer), and Bob Stuart. (Other than Colmes and Stuart, I don't exactly recall the jock shifts.) I know a few of the jocks changed during the era. Chip Hobart was in their somewhere, as was Neil Gran (Cannon). SS -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:54 AM To: theseacoast@ebradio.net; boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Hannity and Colmes What about "Speed" Anderson overnights on WEZE? I don't know that I ever knew "Speed's" first name but he played great jazz (at least the kind of jazz I enjoy; a lot of people probably think it doesn't qualify for the name jazz). Given the current connotation of the word speed, I suspect that if Anderson were alive today and working in radio (he probably isn't; he didn't seem especially young in those days and that was more than 30 years ago), he almost surely would have needed some nickname other than Speed--or Easy Speed as he sometimes called himself. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Seacoast" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: Hannity and Colmes Let's not forget the LOCAL and LIVE overnights stations all had: WEZE had Bob Stuart with Music/Talk (I would drive by and wave to him at the Statler Hotel studio window), Leslie Palmiter (sp?) on WCOZ, and my all time favorite overnight host: the one and only Larry Glick! From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 10 16:52:59 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:52:59 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <18792.18212.582272.926449@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com><18792.10508.600214.207994@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770901092103u228ca250s942f35b8f4eb3039@mail.gmail.com> <18792.18212.582272.926449@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1191451E768A402FB569DE6B1FB1821F@DanBillingsPC> Over 80% of U.S. homes today have cable or satellite TV. The number of people who lose TV from the change will be very small. From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 10 17:12:18 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:12:18 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Its just the Gray Lady's usual new style of finger pointing reporting.<< Woah, Nellie. It's an op-ed piece (OKA opinion), not reporting. Its authors are two former FCC chairmen, William Kennard and Michael Powell. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 10 17:50:06 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:50:06 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes In-Reply-To: <3415D7AFEF4F494787BAB9CB8BCE1357@hpomnibook2> References: <3415D7AFEF4F494787BAB9CB8BCE1357@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <4969261E.1000101@gmail.com> The Seacoast wrote: > I try not to reminisce too much anymore with respect to how lucky I was to > grow up in Boston during a time when Boston Radio had incredible TOP 40 and > MOR formats run on radio stations with talented jocks. Thoughtful post. Great read. Bill O' From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Sat Jan 10 17:58:03 2009 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (rdavisson@neo.rr.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0500 Subject: change my e-mail on this list Message-ID: <20090110225803.2OP7I.53168.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> How do I change my e-mail address and continue to receive the posts/e-mails on this forum? Tim Davisson, KD8GZ Ohio From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Sat Jan 10 17:58:18 2009 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (rdavisson@neo.rr.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:58:18 -0500 Subject: change my e-mail on this list Message-ID: <20090110225818.TRFGK.53174.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> How do I change my e-mail address and continue to receive the posts/e-mails on this forum? Tim Davisson, KD8GZ Ohio From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Sat Jan 10 18:01:40 2009 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (rdavisson@neo.rr.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:01:40 -0500 Subject: change my e-mail on this list Message-ID: <20090110230140.7N4VW.53193.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> How do I change my e-mail address and continue to receive the posts/e-mails on this forum? Tim Davisson, KD8GZ Ohio From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 10 19:06:05 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:06:05 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> Its just the Gray Lady's usual new style of finger pointing reporting.<< > > Woah, Nellie. It's an op-ed piece (OKA opinion), not reporting. Its authors are two former FCC chairmen, William Kennard and Michael Powell. ...both of whom have political scores to settle by making their successor, Kevin Martin, look bad. It's rather depressing to watch the DTV transition getting turned into a political football. I just flipped across a half-hour show on C-SPAN in which Senator Sanders (I-Bill'O Land) was being interviewed by my old "TV Technology" colleague Sanjay Talwani - and in which Bernie professed how "shocked" and "surprised" he was to find out (just recently, mind you!) that the money for the coupons was running out, and how many of his constituents would be losing over-the-air TV service. Earth to Bernie: You're from a state that's full of mountains. It's also - thanks in no small part to the many transmitter sites across Vermont built largely at state expense by Vermont Public TV - a great candidate for some large-scale testing of distributed transmission systems, which would do far more over the long term to provide reliable reception to underserved areas than would any of the proposals you're suggesting - from an extension of analog service to government funding for new antennas or to subsidize low-cost lifeline cable/satellite service. But the more time wasted dithering over extending analog service by a few months means a later and later start on figuring out just what post-transition DTV service areas will look like in real life, and on finding ways to fix any problems that will exist. (And another thought here: The whole "let's delay the analog shutoff" movement seems to be premised on an idea that once reception is lost, it's lost for good. Will the earth cease to spin on its axis if it takes a few weeks to restore service for some viewers who lose it temporarily?) s From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 10 19:07:13 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:07:13 -0500 Subject: change my e-mail on this list In-Reply-To: <20090110230140.7N4VW.53193.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> References: <20090110230140.7N4VW.53193.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Message-ID: <49693831.7010209@gabrielmass.com> rdavisson@neo.rr.com wrote: > How do I change my e-mail address and continue to receive the posts/e-mails on this forum? > > Tim Davisson, KD8GZ > Ohio > You can use this page to unsub your old address (scroll down to find the form!) and subscribe the new one: http://lists.bostonradio.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-radio-interest -- --RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 10 19:11:18 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:11:18 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> By the way, is there an argument to make in favor of the DTV conversion as an energy-saving measure? I suppose one has to take into account the energy spent in producing and distributing converter boxes, building new antennas, etc. -- --RC From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 10 19:14:07 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:14:07 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com> <49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > By the way, is there an argument to make in favor of the DTV conversion > as an energy-saving measure? > > I suppose one has to take into account the energy spent in producing and > distributing converter boxes, building new antennas, etc. > I suspect it's something of a wash. There will certainly be less power consumed at the transmitter end once the transition is complete, but I suspect that's far outweighed by all the juice being consumed by those 52" plasma and LCD screens in all those living rooms. s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 10 19:28:42 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:28:42 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <001901c97383$8eda9710$ac8fc530$@com> I stand down on my comments with respect to the article. Its "Op-Ed" status was not noted originally. As for my comments on the NYT in general, they remain the same. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Sid Schweiger > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:12 PM > To: 'bostonRadio Mailing List' > Subject: RE: analog shutdown maybe delayed > > >>Its just the Gray Lady's usual new style of finger pointing > reporting.<< > > Woah, Nellie. It's an op-ed piece (OKA opinion), not reporting. Its > authors are two former FCC chairmen, William Kennard and Michael > Powell. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Jan 10 19:47:26 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:47:26 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <001901c97383$8eda9710$ac8fc530$@com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <001901c97383$8eda9710$ac8fc530$@com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901101647w60194946w72a1ff3b1cd29f92@mail.gmail.com> Apparently some scammers have figured out a flaw in the coupon (debit card) system. Some retailers if you return the converter give back the coupon value in cash as there is no way for the retailer to issue another coupon (debit card) From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 10 20:05:35 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:05:35 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com><49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> I don't know this for a fact but I suspect that LCD TVs with CCFL backlights use less energy than CRT TVs that have similar screen area. And the newest large-screen LCD TVs with LED backlights must use even less energy than CCFL-backlit LCD TVs of the same screen dimensions. Even plasma-screen units very likely use no more energy than CRT TVs that have the same screen area. OTOH, people may watch their flat-screen TVs more than they watched their old CRT-based analog sets. So the new TVs may use more enrgy because they are on more of the time. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: "'bostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: analog shutdown maybe delayed > Richard Chonak wrote: >> By the way, is there an argument to make in favor of the DTV >> conversion as an energy-saving measure? >> >> I suppose one has to take into account the energy spent in >> producing and distributing converter boxes, building new antennas, >> etc. >> > > I suspect it's something of a wash. There will certainly be less > power consumed at the transmitter end once the transition is > complete, but I suspect that's far outweighed by all the juice being > consumed by those 52" plasma and LCD screens in all those living > rooms. > > s From billohno@gmail.com Sat Jan 10 20:16:36 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:16:36 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com><49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49694874.1040502@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't know this for a fact but I suspect that LCD TVs with CCFL > backlights use less energy than CRT TVs that have similar screen area. > And the newest large-screen LCD TVs with LED backlights must use even > less energy than CCFL-backlit LCD TVs of the same screen dimensions. > Even plasma-screen units very likely use no more energy than CRT TVs > that have the same screen area. Is it accurate that plasma sets need to be turned off after a few hours? Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 10 20:58:36 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:58:36 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes In-Reply-To: <3F5C365BB056431D93FA7B24DF81B1CD@hpomnibook2> References: <3F5C365BB056431D93FA7B24DF81B1CD@hpomnibook2> Message-ID: <4969524C.4060100@ttlc.net> The Seacoast wrote: > Chip Hobart was in their somewhere, as was Neil Gran > (Cannon). The same Chip Hobart from WRKO? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 10 21:18:37 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:18:37 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <496956FD.1030208@ttlc.net> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> Woah, Nellie. It's an op-ed piece (OKA opinion), not reporting. Its authors are two former FCC chairmen, William Kennard and Michael Powell. >>> I just checked my 1/10/2009 online NY Times e-mail. The piece to which I originally referred ("The Looming TV Blackout") was printed in the Editorial Section, not the Op-Ed section. The piece to which you refer ("Don't Touch That Dial) was an op-ed piece by Kennard & Powell from the 1/8/2009 NY Times. I missed reading it on Thursday. After reading & comparing both, I find the Times' Editorial to be a slightly less strident (and less fact-laden) re-hash of some of the same thoughts. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 10 21:52:48 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:52:48 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com><49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49695F00.5000507@ttlc.net> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I don't know this for a fact but I suspect that LCD TVs with CCFL > backlights use less energy than CRT TVs that have similar screen area. > And the newest large-screen LCD TVs with LED backlights must use even > less energy than CCFL-backlit LCD TVs of the same screen dimensions. > Even plasma-screen units very likely use no more energy than CRT TVs > that have the same screen area. > According to a BBC report, plasma televisions, which it says are about 50 percent bigger than their cathode-ray-tube equivalents, "consume about four times more energy according to the government-funded Energy Saving Trust." http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/raskin/6813?comment_start=26&comment_count=20 EffiicientProducts.org notes that LCD TV's under 40 inches may be more efficient than the prototypical 36" CRT TV. > OTOH, people may watch their flat-screen TVs more than they watched > their old CRT-based analog sets. So the new TVs may use more enrgy > because they are on more of the time. EfficientProducts.org predicts that at the current efficiency levels, rapid growth in TV Sales, increased hours of viewing, and multiple TVs per household will lead to a 50% rise in TV energy consumption by 2010. They also noted that 10% of a TV's energy is consumed while turned off. http://www.efficientproducts.org/tvs/ Insight Media's "Display DAily" blog noted CNET measured the power consumption of 54 television sets. Flat-panel TVs with 42-inch screens ranged from about 190 watts to 250, with most clustering between 200 and 230. ...the power consumption of a 65-inch Sharp LCD-TV was 584 watts. Power consumption also varies according to program content for emissive technologies e.g. Plasma & OLED, while shutter-style technologies are constant regardless of program content e.g. LCD. From mrschuyler@aol.com Sat Jan 10 09:55:49 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:55:49 -0500 Subject: do people know AM still exists? Message-ID: <8CB414AA91BC977-9F0-1B36@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Maybe it got lost in the shuffle.? Maybe it's because I confused Brian Vita with Bill O'Neill at the end of December ("WEIM's heroic effort -- Ice Storm '08").? Or maybe it was my tabloidesque headline: "Cancer Surgery for AM Radio."? Whatever it was, and for whatever it's worth, I weighed in ad nauseum on this very question not long ago and was underwhelmed by the response. http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-January/019149.html C'mon folks -- don't leave me hangin' like some kind of pathetic attention wh*re.? I'd appreciate your thoughts. ~~~ James Eric Schuyler ?????? pathetic attention wh*re From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 17:20:26 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:20:26 -0500 Subject: Hannity and Colmes References: <3415D7AFEF4F494787BAB9CB8BCE1357@hpomnibook2> <617BC8E47AD74C31AEAC97BC65EF52A2@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Listening to Speed was indeed a pleasure - great memories! He had excellent taste in and knowledge of jazz. I think I recall his show being called the Maxwell Coffee Hours or something like that.... Did he recently (within a few years) pass away after running his hot dog stand for many years on the Common? Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Hannity and Colmes > What about "Speed" Anderson overnights on WEZE? I don't know that I > ever knew "Speed's" first name but he played great jazz (at least the > kind of jazz I enjoy; a lot of people probably think it doesn't > qualify for the name jazz). Given the current connotation of the word > speed, I suspect that if Anderson were alive today and working in > radio (he probably isn't; he didn't seem especially young in those > days and that was more than 30 years ago), he almost surely would have > needed some nickname other than Speed--or Easy Speed as he sometimes > called himself. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Seacoast" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:33 AM > Subject: Hannity and Colmes > > Let's not forget the LOCAL and LIVE overnights stations all had: WEZE > had > Bob Stuart with Music/Talk (I would drive by and wave to him at the > Statler > Hotel studio window), Leslie Palmiter (sp?) on WCOZ, and my all time > favorite overnight host: the one and only Larry Glick! > > From kd8gz@hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 17:49:26 2009 From: kd8gz@hotmail.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:49:26 +0000 Subject: Is AM radio still alive? Ahhh...yeah! Message-ID: Well, I don't know about every area of the country, but here in NE Ohio...I sell advertising for a 50kw FM, that's classic rock, and is always #1 or #2 in adults 25-54 and a 5kw AM that's news in AMD, locally-hosted/voice-tracked oldies middays and overnights, and pro sports evenings. The AM has a 3% share 12+...and less than half the weekly cume audience of the classic rock FM and the other 7 or 8 FMs in our medium market. I had my best income-earning year ever in 2008 (got off the air into radio sales in 1983, with these stations since 1987) and TWO-THIRDS of my 2008 income came from advertising I sold on the AM! The station has about So, I find the businesses who either target or don't mind going after consumers at the point in their lives that have the strongest disposable & discretionary income. As I put it to many businesses...you can pay $120 to $140 a spot on FMs to reach adults 25-45, or $20 to $25 a spot to reach a TON of folks 55 and older. Guess which will get you more ad frequency and a more dominant audience for the commercials? So, yeah. AM is still alive. It simply reaches an older audience. But, at least they have the money most married-with-kids folks in their 20's and 30's won't have for 20+ years. Tim, KD8GZ From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 18:14:17 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:14:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ... 'Dispirit' of New England References: <49638203.5070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes we are - or rather were except for Jordan now. I initially thought Jordan and Dan were awaiting for the second shoe to fall. However, Jordan's show was broadcast to WCCO this morning. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: WBZ... 'Dispirit' of New England > WBZ listeners at night are there purposefully. It is appointment radio > with a stable brand. And there is the (perhaps false) sense that if news > breaks in Boston that someone in the BZ newsroom will be there to dig into > it and report on it. Now, it is akin to a skipping record going > unattended. How can a demo with millions not benefit from a single live > news/talk source? > > This is really not a corporate greed issue; it is no one on the business > end of the snake too afraid to risk it all and stand up for the business, > whether it be quality refrigerators or a a relevant, set apart radio > choice. There are worse things than losing your job over something you go > public with and stand up for. Blame 'corporate' all you wish, but I'll go > with the local pant loads willing to bend over. > > Bill O'Neill > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 10 23:04:56 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:04:56 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <49695F00.5000507@ttlc.net> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com><49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> <49695F00.5000507@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49696FE8.1050900@gabrielmass.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Insight Media's "Display DAily" blog noted CNET measured the power > consumption of 54 television sets. > Flat-panel TVs with 42-inch screens ranged from about 190 watts to 250, > with most clustering between 200 and 230. > ...the power consumption of a 65-inch Sharp LCD-TV was 584 watts. > Wow! Are those average sizes? (cue song: "Frank's 2000-inch TV" by Weird Al) In my apartment, my 24" set (60 watts, bought in 1998) is -- well, it'll have to do. LOL: I just went searching through my drawer of appliance manuals to look for the year I bought that set. I found some Continental Cablevision installation forms ($31.95/mo, Cambridge, 1988) and a receipt from buying a Mitsubishi VCR at Highland Superstore in Brighton ($407 in 1988). --RC From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 10 23:15:43 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:15:43 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <49694874.1040502@gmail.com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A31C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4967DEC2.9095.83C9D9@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6B8@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <4968BC18.1010602@ttlc.net> <001001c97352$90a1b8c0$b1e52a40$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com><49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> <496939CF.5060202@fybush.com> <1BA54332ADAD4B9FA27DC7E6450033BA@SatU205S5044> <49694874.1040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c973a3$458a12f0$d09e38d0$@com> Given the number of plasmas that I've seen in used in airports and other public areas, I'd say no. As someone who occasionally sells TV's I will make the some observations. Most major brands offer both a consumer line and a professional line. For example, I've sold Panasonic and Panasonic Broadcast (the pro division). The difference is that the consumer ones are loaded with extra inputs, built-in speakers, etc and are designed to run for a few hours a day. The pro ones generally have fewer inputs (generally there are plug in modules for specialty inputs), optional speakers, no tuner and are designed to run 24/7. The difference in price is generally not too absurd ($200+/-) Since the typical home theatre does the input switching through the receiver, I've often opted for the pro units over the consumer ones. They're more robust and I'm not fighting against Best Buy. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:17 PM > To: Dan.Strassberg > Cc: 'bostonRadio Mailing List' > Subject: Re: analog shutdown maybe delayed > > Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > I don't know this for a fact but I suspect that LCD TVs with CCFL > > backlights use less energy than CRT TVs that have similar screen > area. > > And the newest large-screen LCD TVs with LED backlights must use even > > less energy than CCFL-backlit LCD TVs of the same screen dimensions. > > Even plasma-screen units very likely use no more energy than CRT TVs > > that have the same screen area. > Is it accurate that plasma sets need to be turned off after a few > hours? > > Bill O'Neill > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: > 1/9/2009 7:59 PM From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 02:32:48 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:32:48 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro><4968133F.5030206@gmail.com><683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> <4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64888D3CB82043A69DB2948867EA2152@MainXPPro> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Don A" Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa > Don A wrote: >> Does it suddenly make them more "national" to have less reporters in the >> newsroom? > No, simply less relevant. Less necessary. Redundant. > >> >> Are they suddenly substituting national reports for those missing local >> reporters? > > The clock is the clock. You have inventory (dwindling, but...) and then > you have elements to fill in the time between the spots. Again...are they filling that 'time between the spots' with more national news? From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 13:25:49 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:25:49 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <21058974.1231568520651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21058974.1231568520651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4969F35D.5955.59A8E3@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jan 2009 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > Both WRBB and WBRS didn't move into the commercial band > (104.9 and 100.1 respectively) until the mid-1980s, I > think it was 1986, leaving WMWM Salem the only occupant > of 91.7 that can be heard (faintly) in Boston proper, > between splash from adjacents WMFO 91.5 and WUMB 91.9. What was the reason for the move? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 13:25:49 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:25:49 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> References: , <496937ED.7040108@fybush.com>, <49693926.8060101@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <4969F35D.26745.59AAE1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jan 2009 at 19:11, Richard Chonak wrote: > By the way, is there an argument to make in favor of the DTV > conversion as an energy-saving measure? > > I suppose one has to take into account the energy spent in producing > and distributing converter boxes, building new antennas, etc. No, but it probably creates jobs in the manufacture and business for the stores that sell them. It also brings customers into the stores, where they may buy something else. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 13:25:50 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:25:50 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <001901c97383$8eda9710$ac8fc530$@com> References: , <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC7E2A6EA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <001901c97383$8eda9710$ac8fc530$@com> Message-ID: <4969F35E.32627.59ABAA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jan 2009 at 19:28, Brian Vita wrote: > I stand down on my comments with respect to the article. Its "Op-Ed" > status was not noted originally. As for my comments on the NYT in > general, they remain the same. It WAS said to be an editorial, not a news story. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 13:25:49 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:25:49 -0500 Subject: Finneran Asks For A Pardon In-Reply-To: References: <20090110073659.2BF9383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, Message-ID: <4969F35D.8936.59A997@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Jan 2009 at 3:10, Dave Tomm wrote: > Plus the fact that the previous 4 Republican governors (Weld, Celucci, > Swifty and Mittens) all wrote letters of recommendation to the > Republican president asking for the pardon. If it happens, will Howie > call out all those GOoPers that went to bat for Tommy? I tend to > think not. He'll figure out a way to blame it on Gov. Patrick or Sal > Demacey.. No, Romney did not. He apparently was asked but refused. But Dukakis did sign the letter. Governor Patrick was not asked. > A pardon could restore his state pension as well as his law license, > which would make it much easier for him to walk away from WRKO once > his deals up, if not sooner. Maybe that's why Entercom only signed > him to a one year extension. I'm sure they want him to get the pardon > as much as he does! It's not clear whether it would do either. According to the story in the Globe, the head of the state pension board said that the issue had never arisen before, so there's no precedent. The state Board of the Bar Overseers is not bound by the parden to restore his law license. The letter from the four past governors mentions the loss of his pension and his law license as additional sanctions that would not necessarily be removed by a pardon. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 11 13:34:30 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:34:30 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa In-Reply-To: <64888D3CB82043A69DB2948867EA2152@MainXPPro> References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com> <20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro> <4968133F.5030206@gmail.com> <683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro> <4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com> <64888D3CB82043A69DB2948867EA2152@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18794.15286.857375.248129@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Again...are they filling that 'time between the spots' with more national > news? I already said yes -- and not even good national news (much of it having been repurposed from the CBS Evening News[1]). -GAWollman [1] Don't get me wrong: CBS-TV has some good reporters. But the audio from a two-minute story written and produced for television does not make a good two-minute radio news package. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 11 13:37:15 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:37:15 -0600 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <4969F35D.5955.59A8E3@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <21058974.1231568520651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4969F35D.5955.59A8E3@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901111037h5cb8e0afyac04ec7b0ffd6c98@mail.gmail.com> Eli might correct me but in the case of WBRS they started out on 88.1 and they did not fare well against WMBR especially when the MIT station moved the xmtr to a high rise dorm after spending the Ted Turner money. With WRBB I'm not sure who they were causing problems for but the FCC saw a way to stick it to Simon but moving the station to 104.9. Simon and the FCC were at each other constantly. From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Jan 11 13:40:07 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:40:07 -0500 Subject: The Great Class-D Clearance (was: Re: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations) In-Reply-To: <4969F35D.5955.59A8E3@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <21058974.1231568520651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4969F35D.5955.59A8E3@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18794.15623.26540.631360@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 10 Jan 2009 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: >> Both WRBB and WBRS didn't move into the commercial band >> (104.9 and 100.1 respectively) until the mid-1980s, I >> think it was 1986, leaving WMWM Salem the only occupant >> of 91.7 that can be heard (faintly) in Boston proper, >> between splash from adjacents WMFO 91.5 and WUMB 91.9. > What was the reason for the move? A bunch of large noncommercial broadcasters persuaded the FCC to kick all the class-D FMs off the noncomm band, if they were unable to upgrade to minimal class-A facilities. WRBB and WBRS were not able to upgrade (due to the presence of those first-adjacents) and had to relocate or lose their licenses. WMBR was able to upgrade, thanks to one Robert E. Turner. -GAWollman From as@shawsheen.com Sun Jan 11 13:55:25 2009 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:55:25 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT again Message-ID: <20090111135525.53s9elrvkkc8gsow@shawsheen.com> Just an HD heads-up: WFXT-DT appears to be boosted in power again just in time for the NFL playoff game. I'm able to watch it with minor pixelation. While not perfect it is usable and better than no WFXT at all, my usual situation. Someone in WFXT engineering appears to be sympathetic to the OTA viewers. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 14:06:07 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:06:07 -0500 Subject: Salem News: Leveille cancellation saddens Generosa References: <20090109071426.E342ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770901090845l5eaa2d96xacf0c9485a527f6@mail.gmail.com><20090109174259.69D0E44C1A7@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770901091000k4d4205e2xd3927ee32cc3cff4@mail.gmail.com><20090109182214.02F7A20C366@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><4CCD901EA24941CAAAB46CB1A76C46F7@MainXPPro><4968133F.5030206@gmail.com><683800C76F9D43188DA9C62E0EB0DC8E@MainXPPro><4968FCEE.6020603@gmail.com><64888D3CB82043A69DB2948867EA2152@MainXPPro> <18794.15286.857375.248129@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > < > said: > >> Again...are they filling that 'time between the spots' with more national >> news? > > I already said yes -- and not even good national news (much of it > having been repurposed from the CBS Evening News[1]). I have not heard the segments from the CBS Evening News....but in my listening (when I can pick them up), I have not heard more National News replacing the local news. It appears they are just doing the same mix of national/local as they were, just with fewer bodies....and maybe less quality. For instance, the local sports are still being done locally, albeit not by a sports reporter. From as@shawsheen.com Sun Jan 11 14:45:18 2009 From: as@shawsheen.com (Alexander Svirsky) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:45:18 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed Message-ID: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> When I dumped my 25" CRT for a 32" LCD my electric bill dropped by about 30 kWh or about $4 per month. I suspect that my TV viewing time has gone up with the novelty of watching HD, yet my bills are lower compared with last year. I cook with gas and heat is central, so the electric bill reflects lighting, fridge, laptop, radio hobby and TV watching. The old TV, a 25" CRT claimed 100W power consumption, and the DTV converter claimed 8W. The new TV, a 32" LCD claims 135W. On paper the CRT looks slightly better. Practice shows me that the CRT generated substantial waste heat that the LCD doesn't, and I'm using less electricity according to National Grid. Maybe the 100W claim by the 25" TV specs is lower than reality because it would have to be on 10 hours per day just to get to 30 kWh/month. I don't see CRTs in the stores anymore, and that's a good thing on many levels, including haz-mat disposal. Maybe time will show a drop in evening electricity consumption nationally. -- Alexander Svirsky http://shawsheen.com/ From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 11 15:31:23 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:31:23 -0600 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com> I have a hunch that another thing pushing demand is people are getting converters simply as a fallback option for when the cable or dish loses signal. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 11 15:44:59 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:44:59 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> Message-ID: <0KDB000Q6QZ6VH50@asmtp017.mac.com> At 02:45 PM 1/11/2009, Alexander Svirsky wrote: >I don't see CRTs in the stores anymore, and that's a good thing on >many levels, including haz-mat disposal. Maybe time will show a drop >in evening electricity consumption nationally. Both Wal-Mart and Target still have 20 inch and smaller CRT sets. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Jan 11 15:47:04 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:47:04 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <796B5635-DB43-4797-93C8-563CC7F29B63@mac.com> On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have a hunch that another thing pushing demand is people are getting > converters simply as a fallback option for when the cable or dish > loses signal. Or as a hedge for the day when the basic cable bill hits $250. From blainethompson@gmail.com Sun Jan 11 16:23:22 2009 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:23:22 -0500 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <1727849994356119977332718661627407405-Webmail@me.com> <4fc429770901091538p2b8448b9k33c0298adb1386a4@mail.gmail.com> <4967E841.9040209@ttlc.net> <4fc429770901091627t2d305581n9f87cd137ef99690@mail.gmail.com> <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <7bded94e0901111323p20ce5834r33031bdd18429d7c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > > It happens to just about everyone once they reach their 60s or 70s, whether > you talk for a living or not. Dick Stockton's work during the baseball > playoffs was painful to listen to, and he's definitely lost a step as an > NFL > play-by-play man too. As with Santos, the voice is still there, but the > sharpness isn't. > Bob Chase still calls Fort Wayne Komet hockey games, and he turns 83 later this month. - Blaine From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jan 11 18:02:29 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:02:29 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_Boston_Herald_on_Lovell_Dyett's_ouster_?= Message-ID: For those who may not have read it, this is the Sunday Herald's take on WBZ's sacking of Lovell Dyett. I agree with what's said here. I have listened to Dyett ever since I was in college nearly 40 years ago; he's one of the greats in Boston radio. -Doug http://news.bostonherald.com:80/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1144315 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 19:28:11 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:28:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <418201.74504.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1/9/09, Howard Glazer wrote: > It happens to just about everyone once they reach their 60s > or 70s, whether > you talk for a living or not. Dick Stockton's work > during the baseball > playoffs was painful to listen to, and he's definitely > lost a step as an NFL > play-by-play man too. As with Santos, the voice is still > there, but the > sharpness isn't. As much as I can sense Gil has slipped recently, and it breaks my heart to say that, as much of it nowadays has to do with broadcast position -- they are practically up in Siberia in some of these facilities -- and the spotter. A good spotter can save an announcer plenty of times. Age isn't the only factor. * * * On an unrelated sidenote, Gil's WBZ profile says/said he was the voice of Penn State games on the radio -- I'm presuming this was sometime in the 1980s. Anyone know exactly when? Any clips floating around in broadcast land? Googling didn't provide me much more detail. I'm guessing it was in the mid-1980s, because Fran Fisher retired not long before then, and Gil was back to doing Boston College games in the late '80s or early '90s. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 11 20:44:50 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:44:50 -0600 Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <418201.74504.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <004701c972de$41b29aa0$d08c4c0c@oemcomputer> <418201.74504.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901111744p2e4e9abdy80f86bd755e7a438@mail.gmail.com> There was a period when Gil was shut out completely in Boston and he took the Penn State job ( I am guessing mid 80's ) when Dan Davis did BC and Curt Gowdy and Dale Arnold did the Pats. Gillette is considered the best for broadcasters in the NFL as the booth is at the club level but on the road...... The new buildings is what caused Fred Cusick to retire as he just could not see from the upper levels. He did do AHL games at Lowell for ATT3 in the late 90's because he could see the ice. On 1/11/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Fri, 1/9/09, Howard Glazer wrote: >> It happens to just about everyone once they reach their 60s >> or 70s, whether >> you talk for a living or not. Dick Stockton's work >> during the baseball >> playoffs was painful to listen to, and he's definitely >> lost a step as an NFL >> play-by-play man too. As with Santos, the voice is still >> there, but the >> sharpness isn't. > > As much as I can sense Gil has slipped recently, and it breaks my heart to > say that, as much of it nowadays has to do with broadcast position -- they > are practically up in Siberia in some of these facilities -- and the > spotter. A good spotter can save an announcer plenty of times. Age isn't the > only factor. > > * * * > > On an unrelated sidenote, Gil's WBZ profile says/said he was the voice of > Penn State games on the radio -- I'm presuming this was sometime in the > 1980s. Anyone know exactly when? Any clips floating around in broadcast > land? Googling didn't provide me much more detail. I'm guessing it was in > the mid-1980s, because Fran Fisher retired not long before then, and Gil was > back to doing Boston College games in the late '80s or early '90s. > > > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Jan 11 21:01:35 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:01:35 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <796B5635-DB43-4797-93C8-563CC7F29B63@mac.com> References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com> <796B5635-DB43-4797-93C8-563CC7F29B63@mac.com> Message-ID: <496AA47F.2070508@gmail.com> Mark Laurence wrote: > Or as a hedge for the day when the basic cable bill hits $250. We have Dish (no cable here) and got the box since we only get the locals' primary channels. VPT has three good offerings, two of which are only available on Dish. Bill O' From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 11 21:10:55 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:10:55 -0500 Subject: Former WKBR Morning Host Bill Morrisey Passed Away Message-ID: <2E22F903B2524F958DA98A93D0C26294@Mark> Bill Morrisey, who was the morning host at WKBR in Manchester for 30 years and also co-hosted the Easter Seals Telethon on WMUR Channel 9 for several years passed away on Thursday Jan. 8th. The obit in the New Hampshire Union Leader says that he was "elected" as Mutual Radio Network correspondent in 1960. Was that something exclusive to Mutual or did other radio networks do that as well? Link to the Union Leader obituary: http://www.legacy.com/unionleader/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=122582285 Mark Watson From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Jan 11 20:56:49 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:56:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gil Santos "retiring" In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901111744p2e4e9abdy80f86bd755e7a438@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <251701.22539.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, 1/11/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > There was a period when Gil was shut out completely in > Boston and he > took the Penn State job ( I am guessing mid 80's ) when > Dan Davis did > BC and Curt Gowdy and Dale Arnold did the Pats. Did he still do AM drive sports at WBZ? That's what I was led to believe. The commute from Boston to State College is not an easy one, even if you're flying and only doing it once a week. > Gillette is considered the best for broadcasters in the NFL > as the > booth is at the club level but on the road...... I've been in the box there a couple times... you're in the far end zone. Aren't the broadcast booths in the corner of the end zone, too? From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jan 12 05:27:35 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:27:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <30754680.1231756055628.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Jan 11, 2009 1:37 PM >Subject: Re: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial >station asking for donations > >Eli might correct me but in the case of WBRS they >started out on 88.1 and they did not fare well >against WMBR especially when the MIT station moved >the xmtr to a high rise dorm after spending the Ted >Turner money. Yes, I have a few corrections here. #1: WBRS was never on 88.1. WBRS went directly from closed=circuit to 91.7 when they took to the airwaves, which I believe was in 1967 or 1968, then they moved to 100.1 in 1986. #2: The small station that you're probably thinking of that was on 88.1 and suffered interference from WMBR after their upgrade to Class A in 1979 was WYAJ from Lincoln-Sudbury High School. WYAJ moved from 88.1 to 97.7 in the late 1980s, where their closest source of co-channel interference is now WAAF simulcast WKAF on Blue Hill in Milton. It's not necessary to hear WKAF in the Lincoln-Sudbury area because the reception of primary WAAF's West Boylston transmitter is very good there. #3: WTBS (later WMBR) actually moved the transmitter to the top of high-rise Eastgate graduate dormitory at MIT in 1971, where it still is today, eight years before receiving any money from Ted Turner. However, that move in 1971 was still using the original Class D transmitter, which enabled the Class D signal to be heard fairly well within most of Route 128, but not as far out as Lincoln-Sudbury. After receiving the grant from Ted Turner, WMBR was finally able to afford to fulfill their recently acquired Class A status with the purchase of a 200 watt transmitter in 1979. That was when they began to cause trouble for WYAJ on 88.1. >With WRBB I'm not sure who they were causing problems >for but the FCC saw a way to stick it to Simon but >moving the station to 104.9. I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 12 08:19:11 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:19:11 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com><796B5635-DB43-4797-93C8-563CC7F29B63@mac.com> <496AA47F.2070508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <803E0374619E43BCB13DDD9AC8890B16@SatU205S5044> Won't VPT use its OTA DTV subchannels to simulcast the channels that have been available only via Dish? Here in Boston, WGBX ("44") simulcasts four channels, three of which have never been available on analog OTA or, AFAIK, on the local cable systems. I don't know whether Dish carries any of those subchannels. ION ("68") also carries four channels, only one of which has been avalable on analog OTA. I have no idea about the availability of the ION subchannels on local cable or Dish. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Mark Laurence" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: analog shutdown maybe delayed > Mark Laurence wrote: >> Or as a hedge for the day when the basic cable bill hits $250. > > We have Dish (no cable here) and got the box since we only get the > locals' primary channels. VPT has three good offerings, two of which > are only available on Dish. > > Bill O' From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 09:23:02 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <803E0374619E43BCB13DDD9AC8890B16@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <82D41657DEDA44D0B078A8D86E9A66F8@DHPP0DB1> > Won't VPT use its OTA DTV subchannels to simulcast the channels that > have been available only via Dish? Here in Boston, WGBX ("44") > simulcasts four channels, three of which have never been available on > analog OTA or, AFAIK, on the local cable systems. I don't know whether > Dish carries any of those subchannels. The WGBX subchannels actually are carried by Comcast if you have the digital box. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 12 09:32:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:32:35 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <82D41657DEDA44D0B078A8D86E9A66F8@DHPP0DB1> References: <803E0374619E43BCB13DDD9AC8890B16@SatU205S5044> <82D41657DEDA44D0B078A8D86E9A66F8@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <18795.21635.641739.658025@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The WGBX subchannels actually are carried by Comcast if you have the digital > box. Or if you have a QAM tuner in your digital TV, in which case they actually appear as 44-2, 44-3, and 44-4. For some reason, though, my TV can't seem to find 44-1, although the analog feed on channel 16 is still there. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 12 11:50:26 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:50:26 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <20090112165026.C96E749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes, I also remember WBRS being in 91.7 >>I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. Yes. By the way I also remember the Winchester High station WHSR which was at 91.9 (heard it once when in the area) The following Fybush NorthEast Radio Watch (happy 15th anniversary!) turned up in a websearch for WHSR; it mentions 16 high school stations (WPAA at least is now gone) and mentioned WHSR in passing as being "now-defunct". WYAJ is mentioned. http://www.bostonradio.org/nerw/nerw-960430.html (April 30, 1996) There's also a Wikipedia page listing high school radio stations (add high_school_radio to en.wikipedia.org/wiki )--High School Radio not be confused with High School Musical! Anyway, not sure why/when WHSR went away (pre-'96 obviously) but WUMB may have had to do with it...? From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Jan 12 12:29:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:29:35 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <20090112165026.C96E749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090112165026.C96E749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18795.32255.365183.876581@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Anyway, not sure why/when WHSR went away (pre-'96 obviously) but > WUMB may have had to do with it...? The answer last time this question made the rounds was "no". From Quincy, WUMB's protected contour doesn't reach as far north as Winchester. WHSR apparently died from lack of interest (whether student or administration I don't recall). The high-school stations that survive are generally the ones where the administration has supported it as a student activity or as part of the academic program. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 12 12:32:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:32:19 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. Message-ID: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> Scott Fybush, in his venerable 15th Anniversary NERW issue writes on the DTV coverage issue: /"From a technical standpoint, that premise is laughable: even analog television has massive coverage challenges in remote areas such as northern New England, the Adirondacks and Appalachia, and digital television - which will be the nation's sole TV standard soon enough, even if politics delays the scheduled shutoff date next month - brings with it even more issues, including the near-absence of battery-operated receivers."/ About five months ago, I went to RadioShack to buy a new emergency radio (AM/FM/TV/WX). I asked the clerk what the plan was for Tandy to put out a radio that would receive the digital TV audio signals, reminding him that the TV band on this radio would become useless by 2/09. The poor guy scratched his head and said that he had "absolutely zero idea about that" and then wandered off, muttering aloud to self with his hand on his chin, shaking his head. Here in the Champlain Valley, power outages in storms are relatively common (compared to my days in greater Boston.) With the dearth of local radio to tell you anything even on sunny days, the only audio source worth anything is that of the local TV affiliates who have a weather department on duty. Many a time the WPTZ TV (5) and WCAX TV (3) audio was the only relevant (live) local weather and emergency source with the rare exception of WDEV radio. After February, that becomes one less link in the air chain. The good news is that the world is becoming a safer, peaceful, more predictable place in which to live; access to local (non-web-based) media will be more and more unnecessary. That's a relief. Bill O'Neill From mward@iname.com Mon Jan 12 12:41:31 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:41:31 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. In-Reply-To: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> References: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <496B80CB.9040102@iname.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > About five months ago, I went to RadioShack to buy a new emergency radio > (AM/FM/TV/WX). I asked the clerk what the plan was for Tandy to put out > a radio that would receive the digital TV audio signals, reminding him > that the TV band on this radio would become useless by 2/09. The poor > guy scratched his head and said that he had "absolutely zero idea about > that" and then wandered off, muttering aloud to self with his hand on > his chin, shaking his head. Not surprising. You may have well been asking the guy how to split an atom. In theory, the push for Mobile DTV (gaining some legs at CES) should eventually solve this problem. But there are a lot of assumptions in that, among them, 1) will all stations add the extra "subchannel" space to have a mobile stream, 2) will radio manufacturers build radios to pick up audio from this stream, and 3) how will it work in practice? (i.e. unlike analog radio, will you have to scan for channels each time you turn on the radio, or move to a different location?) And how does all of this fit with the horrid economy? Just some thoughts. From keith.fornal@cox.net Mon Jan 12 12:58:01 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:58:01 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. In-Reply-To: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> References: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D3117A12FBA4FF2A33BAB6733E852D6@KeithPC> I just added Haier HLT71 7-Inch Portable LCD TV to my wishlist on Amazon. It has pretty good reviews there (3.5 out of 5) and sells for $110. There appears to be other options too by such brands as Coby and Axion. If I decide to buy it, I'll report back with it's performance. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:32 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. Scott Fybush, in his venerable 15th Anniversary NERW issue writes on the DTV coverage issue: /"From a technical standpoint, that premise is laughable: even analog television has massive coverage challenges in remote areas such as northern New England, the Adirondacks and Appalachia, and digital television - which will be the nation's sole TV standard soon enough, even if politics delays the scheduled shutoff date next month - brings with it even more issues, including the near-absence of battery-operated receivers."/ About five months ago, I went to RadioShack to buy a new emergency radio (AM/FM/TV/WX). I asked the clerk what the plan was for Tandy to put out a radio that would receive the digital TV audio signals, reminding him that the TV band on this radio would become useless by 2/09. The poor guy scratched his head and said that he had "absolutely zero idea about that" and then wandered off, muttering aloud to self with his hand on his chin, shaking his head. Here in the Champlain Valley, power outages in storms are relatively common (compared to my days in greater Boston.) With the dearth of local radio to tell you anything even on sunny days, the only audio source worth anything is that of the local TV affiliates who have a weather department on duty. Many a time the WPTZ TV (5) and WCAX TV (3) audio was the only relevant (live) local weather and emergency source with the rare exception of WDEV radio. After February, that becomes one less link in the air chain. The good news is that the world is becoming a safer, peaceful, more predictable place in which to live; access to local (non-web-based) media will be more and more unnecessary. That's a relief. Bill O'Neill From atolz@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 13:07:31 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:07:31 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations References: <20090112165026.C96E749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18795.32255.365183.876581@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <165C52BE66394ABCB0C9B99EBE70DDD4@mediacenter> If WRBB wanted to move back to the non-com part of the dial, could they do it, technically? If so, what frequency? Also, is it possible for them to use 87.7 if Channel 6 in Providence turns its analog audio off, or is there an LP TV channel 6 in the way? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations > < > said: > >> Anyway, not sure why/when WHSR went away (pre-'96 obviously) but >> WUMB may have had to do with it...? > > The answer last time this question made the rounds was "no". From > Quincy, WUMB's protected contour doesn't reach as far north as > Winchester. WHSR apparently died from lack of interest (whether > student or administration I don't recall). > > The high-school stations that survive are generally the ones where the > administration has supported it as a student activity or as part of > the academic program. > > -GAWollman > From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Jan 12 12:30:22 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:30:22 -0500 Subject: The Great Class-D Clearance Message-ID: <496B7E2E.80706@gmail.com> Actually, the main reason WBRS couldn't keep using 91.7 due to I.F. spacing issues with 102.5 WCRB (now WKLB). But the plethora of other stations on 91.5, 91.7 and 91.9 sure didn't help. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm > On 10 Jan 2009 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: >> Both WRBB and WBRS didn't move into the commercial band >> (104.9 and 100.1 respectively) until the mid-1980s, I >> think it was 1986, leaving WMWM Salem the only occupant >> of 91.7 that can be heard (faintly) in Boston proper, >> between splash from adjacents WMFO 91.5 and WUMB 91.9. > What was the reason for the move? A bunch of large noncommercial broadcasters persuaded the FCC to kick all the class-D FMs off the noncomm band, if they were unable to upgrade to minimal class-A facilities. WRBB and WBRS were not able to upgrade (due to the presence of those first-adjacents) and had to relocate or lose their licenses. WMBR was able to upgrade, thanks to one Robert E. Turner. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Jan 12 13:46:18 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:46:18 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. In-Reply-To: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> References: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC82A247A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I went to RadioShack...I asked the clerk...<< Mistake #1. >>...what the plan was for Tandy to put out a radio that would receive the digital TV audio signals, reminding him that the TV band on this radio would become useless by 2/09.<< Was the portable radio properly marked per FCC regs ("This television receiver has an analog tuner...")? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jan 12 14:23:30 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:23:30 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC82A247A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC82A247A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <496B98B2.2070604@gabrielmass.com> Well, at least the WeatheRadio will still work. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 12 14:55:03 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:55:03 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <165C52BE66394ABCB0C9B99EBE70DDD4@mediacenter> References: <20090112165026.C96E749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18795.32255.365183.876581@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <165C52BE66394ABCB0C9B99EBE70DDD4@mediacenter> Message-ID: <496BA017.6080608@fybush.com> Alan Tolz wrote: > If WRBB wanted to move back to the non-com part of the dial, could they > do it, technically? If so, what frequency? Also, is it possible for > them to use 87.7 if Channel 6 in Providence turns its analog audio off, > or is there an LP TV channel 6 in the way? 87.7 is not part of the FM band, so no, WRBB can't move there. 87.9 ("channel 200") is, but it is subject to numerous restrictions on its use, including a flat prohibition on operation within a fairly wide swath of the US-Canadian border, that would make it unavailable in Boston even if WMBR on 88.1 weren't already in the way. WRBB can't go back to its old 91.7 spot, since WUMB on 91.9 is now in the way. I think someone on the list (Aaron, was it you?) did some preliminary studies at one point that suggested 88.5 or 89.3 might work at low power in Boston, if second-adjacent interference waivers were to be granted by WERS and WBUR, but that seems unlikely. Another suggestion that was floated at some point was to move WRBB to 101.3, the frequency briefly used in Boston by the old WFNX translator from the top of the Hancock. The FCC's current rules would allow a translator on 101.3 co-located with WFNX's current transmitter on One Financial Center, but they would not allow a class D originating FM station there with identical technical parameters. That's a political issue, not an engineering one. s From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Jan 12 13:24:48 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:24:48 -0500 Subject: analog shutdown maybe delayed In-Reply-To: <803E0374619E43BCB13DDD9AC8890B16@SatU205S5044> References: <20090111144518.7w16j6xwkkk44w84@shawsheen.com> <4fc429770901111231n5a933aefi48c336f7e3f8c9db@mail.gmail.com> <796B5635-DB43-4797-93C8-563CC7F29B63@mac.com> <496AA47F.2070508@gmail.com> <803E0374619E43BCB13DDD9AC8890B16@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9ff2be350901121024o471f8188t7a83d227ac3f0926@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Won't VPT use its OTA DTV subchannels to simulcast the channels that have > been available only via Dish? I don't know if they are the same channels as are on Dish, but VPT has 3 subchannels in addition to the regular channel on DTV now. From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 12 16:40:27 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:40:27 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <30754680.1231756055628.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30754680.1231756055628.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <496B727B.4317.5F4AC6@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: > I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something > to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in > Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. So howcum WBOQ can't object to WRBB? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 17:44:04 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:44:04 -0600 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <496B727B.4317.5F4AC6@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <30754680.1231756055628.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <496B727B.4317.5F4AC6@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901121444i3369a241rfde2047f4d621284@mail.gmail.com> Probably goes back to when Simon was fighting to keep license he had to sign off on WRBB going on the air in Boston to get his renewal. On 1/12/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 12 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: > >> I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something >> to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in >> Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. > > So howcum WBOQ can't object to WRBB? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jan 12 20:51:41 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:51:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <31385134.1231811501690.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Jan 12, 2009 5:44 PM > >Probably goes back to when Simon was fighting to keep >license he had to sign off on WRBB going on the air in >Boston to get his renewal. > >On 1/12/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> On 12 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: >> >>> I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something >>> to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in >>> Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. >> >> So howcum WBOQ can't object to WRBB? >> I don't know about any dealings that Geller may have allegedly had to make many years ago, but as far as I know, WBOQ can not object to WRBB because WRBB's coverage area in which they interfere with WBOQ is outside of WBOQ's primary protected service contour. If I'm correct, protection for WBOQ doesn't extend to areas approximately south of the Tobin Bridge, which includes all areas in which WRBB interferes. When WBOQ was WVCA owned by Geller, it put out even less wattage than since it was upgraded as WBOQ, so their protected area was probably even smaller then. Though I don't actually know what role WUMB may have had in WRBB moving from 91.7, WRBB's coverage area is inside of WUMB's primary service contour (as well as in the same City of License), so WUMB would have had a legitimate complaint of first-adjacent channel interference within their protected service contour. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 12 20:54:49 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:54:49 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations References: <30754680.1231756055628.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <496B727B.4317.5F4AC6@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <774585AEFEAB4262B0E4DB5230CDDB4D@SatU205S5044> Downtown Boston is well outside of WBOQ's protected contour (60 dBu, I believe). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Eli Polonsky" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations > On 12 Jan 2009 Eli Polonsky wrote: > >> I'd imagine that Pat Monteith probably had something >> to do with objecting to WRBB when it was on 91.7 in >> Boston, on the adjacent channel to WUMB. > > So howcum WBOQ can't object to WRBB? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 21:06:58 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:06:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <31385134.1231811501690.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <204520.37005.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 1/12/09, Eli Polonsky wrote: > When WBOQ was WVCA owned by Geller, it put out even > less wattage than since it was upgraded as WBOQ, so > their protected area was probably even smaller then. Smaller, perhaps, but I recall one of the Tangers making the station directional to the north sometime in the middle or late 1990s. Had to have been later than 1994, since I remember the issue being discussed on LTAR. (It's now off the air?) From martylessard@rcn.com Tue Jan 13 01:39:49 2009 From: martylessard@rcn.com (Marty Lessard) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:39:49 -0500 Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations In-Reply-To: <204520.37005.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <204520.37005.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496C3735.50004@rcn.com> The thread here about KSCO has been interesting. Do any of you realize that KSCO was a Fuller-Jeffrey station in the 80s/early 90s. Sean Smyth wrote: >On Mon, 1/12/09, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > >>When WBOQ was WVCA owned by Geller, it put out even >>less wattage than since it was upgraded as WBOQ, so >>their protected area was probably even smaller then. >> >> > >Smaller, perhaps, but I recall one of the Tangers making the station directional to the north sometime in the middle or late 1990s. Had to have been later than 1994, since I remember the issue being discussed on LTAR. (It's now off the air?) > > > > > > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jan 13 03:10:43 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:10:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: KSCO, like WJIB, a commercial station asking for donations Message-ID: <23740988.1231834243684.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: "Scott Fybush" >Monday, January 12, 2009 2:55 PM > >WRBB can't go back to its old 91.7 spot, since WUMB on >91.9 is now in the way. I think someone on the list >(Aaron, was it you?) did some preliminary studies at >one point that suggested 88.5 or 89.3 might work at >low power in Boston, if second-adjacent interference >waivers were to be granted by WERS and WBUR, but that >seems unlikely. It's actually WGBH and WERS that have always objected to any kind of 89.3 operation in greater Boston. WGBH has allegedly rejected all applications for legitimate use of that frequency in the area (resulting in its often being used as a pirate repository on the dial). Neither WMBR or WERS want anything on 88.5 either (a frequency which is also currently occupied by pirates). >Another suggestion that was floated at some point was >to move WRBB to 101.3, the frequency briefly used in >Boston by the old WFNX translator from the top of the >Hancock. In order for that to work, the authorities would have to be successful in knocking Boston's most powerful pirate station, "Big City FM" (which can be heard well beyond Route 128 in many areas), off the air. I think they've been fined, but that hasn't fazed them. "Big City FM" transmits on 101.3 from Blue Hill Ave. near Franklin Park, playing mainly Caribbean music in mono with very heavy audio compression and bass boost EQ. EP From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Jan 13 08:59:53 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:59:53 -0500 Subject: DTV Emergency Recievers... Nope. In-Reply-To: <496B98B2.2070604@gabrielmass.com> References: <496B7EA3.3030404@gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC82A247A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <496B98B2.2070604@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be350901130559m35638930n8726e9bc94985051@mail.gmail.com> Not so sure about that. The NOAA transmitter on Mt. Mansfield has been running at very reduced power for about a year now. Signal to the east is all but unusable. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Well, at least the WeatheRadio will still work. > > > From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jan 13 16:37:02 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:37:02 -0500 Subject: Stand Alone Translators? Message-ID: <24844053.360881231882622024.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Saga has 2 translaters in the Manchester-Conocrd area.. 94.1 W231BR Manchester 103.1 W276BJ Concord Originally, 94.1 was VERY low power, basically useless anywhere and would vasilate between TXing WMLL (96.5 Bedford) and WFEA (1370 Manchester). About 4-6 weeks ago, I noticed a pronounced increase in power on the 94.1 TX, where it is quite listenable in Derry. At the same time, the 103.1 translater (also TXing 96.5) seemed to increase its coverage area as well. (Can pick up clean from Auburn to Hopkinton...only lose as I enter Derry) About 10 days ago, Saga switched the 103.1 TX to a TX of WZID (95.7 Manchester). Totally unneeded, I thought... Well, today...... BOTH 94.1 and 103.1 are TXing something called "Hits Now" which apparently eminates from Hollywood CA. Sounds like an internet station to me.. Now, IIRC, TXs can not operate independently... I've also confirmed that 1370 AM is NOT playing this format/station. My last guess is that maybe this is what's on WZID-HD2 (if they have one...) Anyone know about this one???? -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 13 16:45:42 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:45:42 -0500 Subject: Stand Alone Translators? In-Reply-To: <24844053.360881231882622024.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <24844053.360881231882622024.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <496D0B86.9050506@fybush.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Now, IIRC, TXs can not operate independently... > > I've also confirmed that 1370 AM is NOT playing this format/station. > > My last guess is that maybe this is what's on WZID-HD2 (if they have one...) > > Anyone know about this one???? Saga has been one of the most aggressive operators in taking advantage of a loophole in FCC rules that indeed appears to allow translators to relay an HD subchannel. As this week's NERW reports, they have two of them going in Keene, and others in Ithaca NY and Asheville NC. So, yes, I'd bet you're hearing WZID's HD2 being relayed. s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 17:05:02 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:05:02 -0500 Subject: Stand Alone Translators? In-Reply-To: <496D0B86.9050506@fybush.com> Message-ID: <0C5AB98F4C3D455BB60BE783124AEFCE@DHPP0DB1> > Saga has been one of the most aggressive operators in taking advantage > of a loophole in FCC rules that indeed appears to allow translators to > relay an HD subchannel. As this week's NERW reports, they have two of > them going in Keene, and others in Ithaca NY and Asheville NC. > > So, yes, I'd bet you're hearing WZID's HD2 being relayed. I just found a website for it: http://www.hothitsnh.com/ Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paul@derrynh.net Tue Jan 13 17:16:11 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:16:11 -0500 Subject: Stand Alone Translators? Message-ID: <18343770.363391231884971182.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> My only other question is why Nassau never complained about 94.1 after Saga increased the power. (WFTN-FM Franklin). On another NH note, what's up with 102.3/Concord? Has the license been turned in? I know the economy sucks but I would think SOMEONE would be interested in bying that signal... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 17:19:30 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:19:30 -0500 Subject: Stand Alone Translators? In-Reply-To: <18343770.363391231884971182.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: > My only other question is why Nassau never complained about 94.1 after > Saga increased the power. (WFTN-FM Franklin). > > On another NH note, what's up with 102.3/Concord? > > Has the license been turned in? I know the economy sucks but I would think > SOMEONE would be interested in bying that signal... Actually 94.1 is one of the few stations in that region that Nassau doesn't own. Northeast Communications owns WFTN AM/FM, WPNH AM/FM, and WSCY. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Jan 14 13:49:19 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:49:19 EST Subject: 102.3 Concord Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/2009 12:03:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >On another NH note, what's up with 102.3/Concord? >Has the license been turned in? I know the economy sucks but I would think SOMEONE would be >interested in bying that signal... They applied for an STA to remain silent in November for 6 months. Financial problems. _http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs /forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=701079_ (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=701079) Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From dfaneuf@bu.edu Wed Jan 14 17:28:49 2009 From: dfaneuf@bu.edu (Faneuf, Dave ) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:28:49 -0500 Subject: Noncompetes, the story behind the story :) References: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF304@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF305@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <18789.35868.787535.726992@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <60AD4F087C168943939DFA38EF5135CC2FF307@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> I would say that's a pretty good assessment of the power, or lack of it, of AFTRA these days. ----------------------------------------------------- Dave Faneuf Senior Announcer/Operator WBUR Boston's NPR News Station Tel. 617 353-0770 Fax 617 353 9380 ________________________________ From: Garrett Wollman [mailto:wollman@bimajority.org] Sent: Thu 1/8/2009 12:16 AM To: Faneuf, Dave Cc: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Noncompetes, the story behind the story :) < said: > Actually as someone who played a small roled in the bills passage it > was AFTRA that marshaled the troops in Massachusetts Radio and TV. So, speaking of AFTRA... Are they so weak now that they are completely unable to stick up for the half-dozen of their members who have been let go at WBZ this year? Or did they just decide not to? -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 15 14:33:33 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:33:33 -0500 Subject: Talk news: Eagan & Braude re-up?, Howie #1, Dyett talks with BZ Message-ID: <20090115193334.028A9CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?&articleid=1145439&format=&page=2&listingType=biz#articleFull Jessica Heslam says that WTKK has re-signed Eagan and Braude, dashing WRKO's hopes to lure them to the morning show in place of Tom Finneran >>Sources say the ?lucrative? deal is for a guaranteed five years but the pair?s agent and attorney, George Tobia, wouldn?t confirm the length or salary. In the most recent 25-54s, she reports, Howie tied with Kiss for #1 in 25-54s, perhaps due to election interest; Severin was in third. Finneran finished 15th in his time slot (Imus 10th) Also the Globe reports today that Lovell Dyett is talking with WBZ about the possibility of a comeback. http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2009/01/15/bulger_film_has_big_time_backing/?page=2 From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 16 14:53:39 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:53:39 -0500 Subject: request about Filene's Basement Message-ID: <20090116195334.6A622208C21@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> An old friend who did a wonderful documentary about Rex Trailer asked me to forward this request to you nice folks. If you can help Mike with his documentary, his e-mail is BROVI@aol.com "I am currently working with Rex on a new documentary about the old Filene's Basement. WGBH has given us a letter of intent to air it for their pledge drive programming. Probably sometime in September. I recently came across an electronic transcription recording of Carl DeSuze interviewing Harold Hodgkinson and a live remote from the Basement. The title of the film is "Voices from the Basement" and since finding footage isn't as easy as Boomtown, it seems appropriate to use voices to help tell the story. We have already interviewed people who worked there and shopped there like Mike Wallace, Mayor Menino, Susan Wornick, Barney Frank, and Mike Dukakis. Do you know of any other resources where I can find old air checks or E.T.s that might capture the era or even old commercials from Filene's? Sincerely, Michael Bavaro voicesfromthebasement.com From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 19 09:59:30 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:59:30 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Reportedly Will Announce $400 Million In Cuts This Week Message-ID: <3934FF05066641059574F30227F9AA82@Mark> Clear Channel Communications, owner of 1,200 radio stations nationwide, may announce the cuts as early as tomorrow, which is Inauguration Day, IMHO so they can slip this one under the radar on one of, if not the, busiest and most historical news days ever. Cuts are expected not just in their broadcast operations, but also their outdoor advertising and international divisions. No one at CC's headquarters is commenting. Found this article about the reported cuts on the Springfield Republican website: http://www.masslive.com/springfield/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-18/123218017392460.xml&coll=1 Mark Watson From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jan 19 11:41:42 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:41:42 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Reportedly Will Announce $400 Million In Cuts This Week References: <3934FF05066641059574F30227F9AA82@Mark> Message-ID: <1A957D9EC9424251BC1E7C48C14771C6@DougDrown> Much is said about this on the New York Radio Message Board. Check it t. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Clear Channel Reportedly Will Announce $400 Million In Cuts This Week > Clear Channel Communications, owner of 1,200 radio stations nationwide, > may announce the cuts as early as tomorrow, which is Inauguration Day, > IMHO so they can slip this one under the radar on one of, if not the, > busiest and most historical news days ever. Cuts are expected not just in > their broadcast operations, but also their outdoor advertising and > international divisions. No one at CC's headquarters is commenting. Found > this article about the reported cuts on the Springfield Republican > website: > > http://www.masslive.com/springfield/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-18/123218017392460.xml&coll=1 > > Mark Watson > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Jan 19 15:11:28 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:11:28 -0500 Subject: Howie Cah Show Message-ID: <4974DE70.6070008@gmail.com> Nice long break of dead air after the intro faded out. Avi Nelson filling in. Then a period of crankin' hip fill music with Nelson's voice buried in the audio until the noise faded. After that, who knows... Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 18:00:27 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:00:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Howie Cah Show References: <4974DE70.6070008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <891340.44012.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wasn't listening to Howie today, but noticed a lot of dead air on sister station WEEI-FM 103.7. ________________________________ From: Bill O'Neill To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:11:28 PM Subject: Howie Cah Show Nice long break of dead air after the intro faded out. Avi Nelson filling in. Then a period of crankin' hip fill music with Nelson's voice buried in the audio until the noise faded.? After that, who knows... Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 20 02:26:57 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:26:57 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Reportedly Will Announce $400 Million In Cuts This Week In-Reply-To: <3934FF05066641059574F30227F9AA82@Mark> References: <3934FF05066641059574F30227F9AA82@Mark> Message-ID: <18805.31937.247559.291496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Clear Channel Communications, owner of 1,200 radio stations nationwide, That's a bit outdated. How many are they down to now, about 850? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 13:34:10 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:34:10 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Reportedly Will Announce $400 Million In Cuts This Week In-Reply-To: <18805.31937.247559.291496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3934FF05066641059574F30227F9AA82@Mark> <18805.31937.247559.291496@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49761922.4060409@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Clear Channel Communications, owner of 1,200 radio stations nationwide, > > That's a bit outdated. How many are they down to now, about 850? That may even be a bit high - I think 448 was the number being batted about when they were shedding small-market stuff last year, though not everything targeted to be sold off actually got sold, IIRC. s From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 17:52:23 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:52:23 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work Message-ID: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> As expected, Clear Channel announced job cuts today. 1,850 employees (9% of their workforce) were shown the door, according to Radio & Records. Link to the article, including text of the memo to CC employees from CEO Mark Mays: http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/ New England broadcast cuts reported so far on R & R: John Pullo, marketing director for CC's NH stations, and WKCI (New Haven) PD/morning co-host Chaz Kelly. Mark Watson From atolz@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 20:48:35 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (atolz@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> Message-ID: <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Also, four sellers from WURH, Hartford.? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:52:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work ??As expected, Clear Channel announced job cuts today. 1,850 employees (9% of their workforce) were shown the door, according to Radio & Records. Link to the article, including text of the memo to CC employees from CEO Mark Mays: http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/ ??New England broadcast cuts reported so far on R & R: John Pullo, marketing director for CC's NH stations, and WKCI (New Haven) PD/morning co-host Chaz Kelly. Mark Watson From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 20 21:37:15 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:37:15 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westc hester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> I posted this to another list, but I did want to mention one Clear Channel personnel cut I found a little disappointing, because it involved a guy about whom I had a very positive opinion. I don't wanna seem like I am dumping on CC, given that some on this list work for them. But I am not exactly broken-hearted about Clear Channel's problems, given how their corporate excesses harmed broadcasting in a number of well-documented ways. That said, I find it a small irony that Gabe Hobbs was one of the CC execs who got downsized. Gabe was their director of talk radio. He has always been loyal to CC, but unlike some of the folks who worked there, Gabe was first and foremost a fan of good radio, whether rightie or leftie. He always responded to phone calls and answered e-mail, and he was always a gentleman, even with those with whom he didn't agree-- also, as some progressive talk hosts will tell you from experience, Gabe Hobbs is a moderate rightie, and not an ideologue. Thus, despite the well-known right wing leanings of the Mays family, Gabe was one of the few at CC who were supportive of folks like Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow and Thom Hartmann. He also supported developing local talk hosts, not just the syndicated variety. Gabe and I were not on the same page politically, but he really did want to see some of the progressive talkers become successful. Of all the people for CC to throw under the bus, it's a shame they did that to Gabe Hobbs. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 21:43:45 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:43:45 -0600 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> There is a lot of outrage building in Chicago on how long time WNUA personality Rick O'Dell was shown the door, literally escorted out of building by a mail room clerk. However chances of his being fired in Chicago papers tomorrow is slim and none because of another story. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 21:52:49 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:52:49 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49768E01.2060301@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > There is a lot of outrage building in Chicago on how long time WNUA > personality Rick O'Dell was shown the door, literally escorted out of > building by a mail room clerk. > > However chances of his being fired in Chicago papers tomorrow is slim > and none because of another story. > Try again: it's already in Phil Rosenthal's Tribune blog, and will surely make the print edition tomorrow: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/towerticker/2009/01/wnuafms-rick-odell-is-first-of-local-clear-channel-cuts.html I don't read much into the "CC tried to bury this on Inauguration Day so it wouldn't make the headlines" conspiracy theories. I took a call from one of the local TV stations today looking to do a story about the cuts in Rochester, and another one of the stations ran a story as well. If this was really CC's PR strategy, it wasn't a very smart one, and they're usually a little smarter than that. Sadly, 1850 layoffs nationwide is small change compared to, say, 30,000 people out of work because Circuit City is closing. This was never going to be anything more than a business section mention (outside the small radio community) no matter when it was announced. s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 21:55:11 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:55:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <708639.76847.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 1/20/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > However chances of his being fired in Chicago papers > tomorrow is slim > and none because of another story. Which is why it was done today. When does/did Obama make an appointment to the FCC? Is broadcast regulation/enforcement anywhere on his radar? From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 22:10:28 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:10:28 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <708639.76847.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <708639.76847.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49769224.6040908@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > On Tue, 1/20/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> However chances of his being fired in Chicago papers >> tomorrow is slim >> and none because of another story. > > Which is why it was done today. See my earlier response to Kevin about this... > > When does/did Obama make an appointment to the FCC? Is broadcast regulation/enforcement anywhere on his radar? Obama will get two appointments off the bat: he's apparently picked his Harvard Law classmate Julius Genachowski to replace Kevin Martin as chairman, though the appointment hasn't been officially announced when last I checked, and he'll get to name a Republican to replace Deborah Taylor Tate, whose term expired earlier this month. Three more commissioners - McDowell (R) and Copps and Adelstein (D) - stay on. Broadcast regulation is somewhere on his radar, in the form of more localism requirements and possibly revisiting ownership caps and broadcast/print cross-ownership, but it looks like the immediate focus at the FCC, once the urgent matter of the DTV conversion is dealt with, will be broadband - good stuff like net neutrality that got lost in the deregulatory fervor of the Martin commission. s From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Jan 20 22:19:56 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:19:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <49769224.6040908@fybush.com> Message-ID: <288507.57297.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 1/20/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > See my earlier response to Kevin about this... I saw the point you made. You know much more about the industry than I, I'll gladly concede that any day, but something about the timing of this stinks. Just a gut reaction. > Broadcast regulation is somewhere on his radar, in the form > of more localism requirements and possibly revisiting > ownership caps and broadcast/print cross-ownership, This was what I was trying to get at. Might not be the worst thing in the world to beef up the FCC's powers (and presumably, its budget) to deal with such issues. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 22:27:31 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:27:31 -0600 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <49768E01.2060301@fybush.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> <49768E01.2060301@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901201927j23fe31acn2ae5fa0c8ef6df30@mail.gmail.com> I will be curious on what the print edition says tomorrow. O'Dell was the heart and soul of WNUA. Ramsey Lewis is now supposed to be offered nationally because of name value. In Detroit they eliminated local sports talk and have gone to Fox Sports 24 hours... On 1/20/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> There is a lot of outrage building in Chicago on how long time WNUA >> personality Rick O'Dell was shown the door, literally escorted out of >> building by a mail room clerk. >> >> However chances of his being fired in Chicago papers tomorrow is slim >> and none because of another story. >> > > Try again: it's already in Phil Rosenthal's Tribune blog, and will > surely make the print edition tomorrow: > > http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/towerticker/2009/01/wnuafms-rick-odell-is-first-of-local-clear-channel-cuts.html > > I don't read much into the "CC tried to bury this on Inauguration Day so > it wouldn't make the headlines" conspiracy theories. I took a call from > one of the local TV stations today looking to do a story about the cuts > in Rochester, and another one of the stations ran a story as well. If > this was really CC's PR strategy, it wasn't a very smart one, and > they're usually a little smarter than that. > > Sadly, 1850 layoffs nationwide is small change compared to, say, 30,000 > people out of work because Circuit City is closing. This was never going > to be anything more than a business section mention (outside the small > radio community) no matter when it was announced. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 22:32:51 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:32:51 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <288507.57297.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <288507.57297.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49769763.5020308@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > On Tue, 1/20/09, Scott Fybush wrote: >> See my earlier response to Kevin about this... > > I saw the point you made. You know much more about the industry than > I, I'll gladly concede that any day, but something about the timing > of this stinks. Just a gut reaction. It's interesting to note that while CC got the headlines, there were also cuts at at least one CBS station today - looks like WINS and maybe WCBS may be about to get the same haircut that WBZ got. > >> Broadcast regulation is somewhere on his radar, in the form of more >> localism requirements and possibly revisiting ownership caps and >> broadcast/print cross-ownership, > > This was what I was trying to get at. Might not be the worst thing in > the world to beef up the FCC's powers (and presumably, its budget) to > deal with such issues. This is probably true of just about every regulatory agency still left standing in DC. There's a lot on the new administration's plate after what's been, really, 28 solid years of deregulation in fits and starts, starting with Reagan in 1981. s From mward@iname.com Tue Jan 20 22:37:10 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:37:10 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901201927j23fe31acn2ae5fa0c8ef6df30@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> <49768E01.2060301@fybush.com> <4fc429770901201927j23fe31acn2ae5fa0c8ef6df30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49769866.6040300@iname.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I will be curious on what the print edition says tomorrow. O'Dell was > the heart and soul of WNUA. Ramsey Lewis is now supposed to be offered > nationally because of name value. > > In Detroit they eliminated local sports talk and have gone to Fox > Sports 24 hours... Sad story, there. WDFN, originally "The Fan", has been sports talk for years. Very successful. But looking at the latest ratings, it looks like CBS' WXYT "The Ticket", now on 97.1 FM (the old talk WKRK), wiped them off the map...and CC threw in the Sports Towel. Reports are that the company's Cleveland cluster lost 46 workers today. 46. The vast majority appear to be sales/promotions, but veteran reporter Greg Saber is one of those cut from WTAM/1100. I just found out that at least three people (programming wise) are now gone at my old home of KFBK/Sacramento - news director Drew Sandsor, who I just saw in October, the afternoon drive producer and nighttime host Bruce Maiman. Drew was managing editor when I was at 'BK, then left for other jobs in San Francisco, and came back to Ethan Way a couple of years ago as ND. I'm still in shock. From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jan 20 23:46:52 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:46:52 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901201927j23fe31acn2ae5fa0c8ef6df30@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770901201843s47400c03i8121a7372b1a47ef@mail.gmail.com> <49768E01.2060301@fybush.com> <4fc429770901201927j23fe31acn2ae5fa0c8ef6df30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E713C8F-7888-4B5B-A7D3-066C7616F4D0@charter.net> Ramsey Lewis is already syndicated through Broadcast Archetecture's Smooth Jazz Network, and has been for at least a year or two. In fact, he was on in several major east coast cities, including Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington. Those markets lost their Smooth Jazz stations in 2008, but his show is still on a bunch of smaller market SJ stations around the country. At the rate SJ stations are changing format--Atlanta and Miami have defected since New Years, there may not be much demand for his show in the months to come. -Dave Tomm On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I will be curious on what the print edition says tomorrow. O'Dell was > the heart and soul of WNUA. Ramsey Lewis is now supposed to be offered > nationally because of name value. > > In Detroit they eliminated local sports talk and have gone to Fox > Sports 24 hours... >> From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 23:57:11 2009 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:57:11 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000301c97b84$b860f030$2922d090$@net> My experience with Gabe was quite a different one. I had a few run-ins with him at NAB talk radio conferences in 2005 and 2006 over the tabloid nature of radio news and the role of news directors. Hobbs was of the opinion that news directors shouldn't direct the news, and that CC and other stations and news networks, were just serving the public what they wanted when the force-fed headlines about Michael Jackson and Martha Stewart when there was real stuff going on like war, corruption, etc. I found him to be arrogant and obnoxious. But it was clear from all the chumming around he did with the other corporate mucky-mucks ruining radio that he was a very popular guy and my opinion was the minority one. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:37 PM To: atolz@comcast.net; Mark Watson Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work I posted this to another list, but I did want to mention one Clear Channel personnel cut I found a little disappointing, because it involved a guy about whom I had a very positive opinion. I don't wanna seem like I am dumping on CC, given that some on this list work for them. But I am not exactly broken-hearted about Clear Channel's problems, given how their corporate excesses harmed broadcasting in a number of well-documented ways. That said, I find it a small irony that Gabe Hobbs was one of the CC execs who got downsized. Gabe was their director of talk radio. He has always been loyal to CC, but unlike some of the folks who worked there, Gabe was first and foremost a fan of good radio, whether rightie or leftie. He always responded to phone calls and answered e-mail, and he was always a gentleman, even with those with whom he didn't agree-- also, as some progressive talk hosts will tell you from experience, Gabe Hobbs is a moderate rightie, and not an ideologue. Thus, despite the well-known right wing leanings of the Mays family, Gabe was one of the few at CC who were supportive of folks like Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow and Thom Hartmann. He also supported developing local talk hosts, not just the syndicated variety. Gabe and I were not on the same page politically, but he really did want to see some of the progressive talkers become successful. Of all the people for CC to throw under the bus, it's a shame they did that to Gabe Hobbs. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 21 00:35:39 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:35:39 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Cuts Announced, 1850 People Out Of Work In-Reply-To: <000301c97b84$b860f030$2922d090$@net> References: <5ACF992FC86F425B82FE8883F6DB170F@Mark> <1003341477.3019561232502515654.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090121023719.8B37B7B91B4@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <000301c97b84$b860f030$2922d090$@net> Message-ID: <20090121053544.0012144C173@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:57 PM 1/20/2009, radiotony wrote: >My experience with Gabe was quite a different one. >I had a few run-ins with him at NAB talk radio conferences in 2005 and 2006 >over the tabloid nature of radio news and the role of news directors. >Hobbs was of the opinion that news directors shouldn't direct the news, and >that CC and other stations and news networks, were just serving the public >what they wanted when the force-fed headlines about Michael Jackson and >Martha Stewart when there was real stuff going on like war, corruption, etc. The sense I got was that Gabe was first and foremost a "company man" who enforced the policies of his corporate bosses. My own dealings with him as a consultant were that sometimes he went behind the scenes and put his butt on the line, going up against the dominant view at CC. But obviously, he didn't do it as much as I would have liked, nor as much as you would have! From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 22 00:18:37 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:18:37 -0500 Subject: Save the date! B-R-I/NERW dinner next Wednesday Message-ID: <497801AD.3050004@fybush.com> Sorry for the short notice - but it looks like I'll be in eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island next Wednesday and Thursday (Jan. 28-29)...and that means a NERW/B-R-I dinner. The "where" is still being worked out, and Garrett and I are wide open to suggestions (probably something south of Boston this time, as we'll be in SE Mass/RI during the day on Wednesday), but the "when" is pretty solid - 7 PM, give or take, on Wednesday 1/28. Got a suggestion for a dinner location? Drop me a line off-list and we'll get something nailed down. (And if anyone has extra copies of today's - Wed. 1/21, that is - Globe or Herald, drop me a line off-list, too...) See you next week! s From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 21 17:58:48 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:58:48 -0500 Subject: The First Accomplishment Of The Obama Administration Message-ID: <20090121225848.CF5151BF297@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Okay, it took until the 21st of the month, but you can now access all the Actions and Applications at fcc.gov without trying to find them with all the detritus in theDaily Digest. The 'MB Shortcuts' has been upgraded for 2009. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From billohno@gmail.com Thu Jan 22 09:21:31 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: Save the date! B-R-I/NERW dinner next Wednesday In-Reply-To: <497801AD.3050004@fybush.com> References: <497801AD.3050004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <497880EB.9010208@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Sorry for the short notice - but it looks like I'll be in eastern > Massachusetts and Rhode Island next Wednesday and Thursday (Jan. > 28-29)...and that means a NERW/B-R-I dinner. I'll have to hold off until the next Vermont Event and Meeting of the Minds.... ;-) Bill O'Neill From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 22 17:42:38 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:42:38 -0500 Subject: CBI, WHRB Seek Copyright Royalty Board Filing Extension Message-ID: <380-220091422224238187@ix.netcom.com> article in today's Radio Magazine online, re college/HS stations & royalties in webcast http://radiomagonline.com/IT_technology/streaming/cbi-whrb-seek-copyright-ro yalty-board-filing-extension-0120/ Bob From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 06:34:18 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:34:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJAR dropps Weather Plus Message-ID: <191016.71126.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As of last night WJAR dropped Weather Plus on 10.2 and replaced it with Retro Network Television (RTN). They had originally planned to start running RTN back in October?(on 10.3)?but between RTN's somewhat shaky financial situation and the questions about NBC's weather service they decided to wait. RTN was running "It Takes A Thief" (which I haven't seen in over 30 years) and "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" last night, and of course infomercials this morning. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 09:43:44 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:43:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJAR dropps Weather Plus References: <418240972.8028.1232720521973.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <574441.52588.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> NBC ultimately shut down the national service once they bought the Weather Channel. After 1/1 there were no live forecasts from any of the WJAR staff, just a loop showing radar and doppler along with the 7 day for Newport, Providence and New Bedford. No ads either, so it wasn't making money. There were?breaks for ad insertion with NBC Weather Plus. I think it was done because the local cable companies (mostly Cox and Comcast) picked up 10.2 but were unwilling to give space for 10.3. I live over the boarder in MA and get it OTA with a regular converter box and rabbit ears. ________________________________ From: Doug Drown To: m_carney@yahoo.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:22:01 AM Subject: Re: WJAR dropps Weather Plus What are "the questions about NBC's weather service"? Jan 23, 2009 05:37:45 AM, m_carney@yahoo.com wrote: As of last night WJAR dropped Weather Plus on 10.2 and replaced it with Retro Network Television (RTN). They had originally planned to start running RTN back in October?(on 10.3)?but between RTN's somewhat shaky financial situation and the questions about NBC's weather service they decided to wait. RTN was running "It Takes A Thief" (which I haven't seen in over 30 years) and "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" last night, and of course infomercials this morning. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 23 10:37:25 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:37:25 -0500 Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus In-Reply-To: <191016.71126.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <191016.71126.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 3:34 AM -0800 1/23/09, Maureen Carney wrote: >As of last night WJAR dropped Weather Plus on 10.2 and replaced it >with Retro Network Television (RTN). They had originally planned to >start running RTN back in October (on 10.3) but between RTN's >somewhat shaky financial situation and the questions about NBC's >weather service they decided to wait. RTN was running "It Takes A >Thief" (which I haven't seen in over 30 years) and "Alfred Hitchcock >Presents" last night, and of course infomercials this morning. Actually NBC ended WeatherPlus on December 31, apparently what WJAR was running was the local option with no national content, just local maps and the like. At WHDH, we will soon be running ThisTV on 7.2, which is a service from NBC Universal featuring older movies and TV series. We are currently awaiting the equipment to do this. I also understand a national version of ThisTV will be on DirecTV at some point soon. -- Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Mater Control From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 10:47:13 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:47:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1/23/09, Larry Weil wrote: > Actually NBC ended WeatherPlus on December 31, apparently > what WJAR was running was the local option with no national > content, just local maps and the like. At WHDH, we will > soon be running ThisTV on 7.2, which is a service from NBC > Universal featuring older movies and TV series. We are > currently awaiting the equipment to do this. I also > understand a national version of ThisTV will be on DirecTV > at some point soon. I'm surprised that NBC hasn't queried affiliates about possibly using The Weather Channel in that spot for a short-term fix. Is WHDH running Universal Sports? From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 23 10:53:32 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:53:32 -0600 Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus In-Reply-To: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901230753o27d10869hc68adf5c49de078d@mail.gmail.com> Offering Weather Channel to the affiliates not really an option. The cable companies would start screaming that they are paying a per subscriber fee for something being given away. We saw something similar when NESN used to run ESPNews when they had nothing else to show. Comcast screamed and ESPN pulled plug. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 11:29:38 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:29:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus References: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901230753o27d10869hc68adf5c49de078d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <267608.34972.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> IIRC wasn't one of the plans for WHDH's subchannels to use NBC cable outlets as a test? At the time I heard this (somewhere around 1999) almost no one had digital converters so cable outcry wouldn't have been so great. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: ssmyth@psualum.com Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:53:32 AM Subject: Re: WJAR drops Weather Plus Offering Weather Channel to the affiliates not really an option. The cable companies would start screaming that they are paying a per subscriber fee for something being given away. We saw something similar when NESN used to run ESPNews when they had nothing else to show. Comcast screamed and ESPN pulled plug. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 23 11:46:45 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:46:45 -0500 Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus In-Reply-To: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 7:47 AM -0800 1/23/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > >I'm surprised that NBC hasn't queried affiliates about possibly >using The Weather Channel in that spot for a short-term fix. I don't know that they haven't. But just because NBC universal owns the Weather Channel doesn't mean that there wouldn't be licensing conflicts if the local stations were to run it, you can just imagine the protests from the cable companies. > >Is WHDH running Universal Sports? No, and AFAIK they have no plans to do so. Right now 7.2 is running WHDH in SD just as a placeholder. -- Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 23 11:54:55 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:54:55 -0500 Subject: WJAR drops Weather Plus In-Reply-To: <267608.34972.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <959511.97510.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770901230753o27d10869hc68adf5c49de078d@mail.gmail.com> <267608.34972.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 8:29 AM -0800 1/23/09, Maureen Carney wrote: >IIRC wasn't one of the plans for WHDH's subchannels to use NBC cable >outlets as a test? At the time I heard this (somewhere around 1999) >almost no one had digital converters so cable outcry wouldn't have >been so great. I was not aware of anything of that nature, nor do I recall seeing any such thing on the air. -- Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From radio88@radio88.net Fri Jan 23 12:07:07 2009 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:07:07 -0500 Subject: NBC and The Weather Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6423A7D8-C83E-4667-9EED-CE50FA45994B@radio88.net> NBC is only part owner of The Weather Channel. Bain Capital and The Blackstone Group are major investors too. So any decisions are not NBC's alone. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS53417+06-Jul-2008+PRN20080706 > > I'm surprised that NBC hasn't queried affiliates about possibly > using The Weather Channel in that spot for a short-term fix. ========================== Todd Glickman Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net http://www.radioweather.net Todd Glickman '77 Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, W98-400 600 Memorial Drive, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 15:38:00 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: RTN and ThisTV (was Re: WJAR drops Weather Plus) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <733748.62919.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Personally, I'm really enjoying the Retro Television Network on WJAR 10.2. It's a welcomed change to the sameness of the rest of the OTA fare (analog or digital). I know that RTN went through some economic issues a few weeks back. But with all that out of the way, I think they will do fine in the coming weeks and months. I also look forward to ThisTV on Channel 7.2 (WHDH-DT). Having watched WCIU/26 and WWME/"MeTV" stations (Weigel Broadcasting) while in Chicago, myself, I'm sure that This TV (a combined effort between Weigel and MGM), that it will be a winner as well. Kudos to WHDH for planning to add ThisTV to Channel 7.2 . Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Larry Weil wrote: > From: Larry Weil > Subject: Re: WJAR drops Weather Plus > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:54 AM > At 8:29 AM -0800 1/23/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > > > IIRC wasn't one of the plans for WHDH's > subchannels to use NBC cable outlets as a test? At the time > I heard this (somewhere around 1999) almost no one had > digital converters so cable outcry wouldn't have been so > great. > > I was not aware of anything of that nature, nor do I recall > seeing any such thing on the air. > > -- Larry Weil > WHDH/WLVI Master Control From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Jan 23 18:15:34 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:15:34 -0500 Subject: WJAR dropps Weather Plus References: <418240972.8028.1232720521973.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> <574441.52588.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't know NBC Universal had bought The Weather Channel. I was without the Internet for a couple of months last summer, and I guess this piece of news didn't get to me. Gannett is still running a 24/7 weather feed on HD and cable here in Maine, with repeated WCSH-6 (Portland) newscasts as part of the stream. The national weather has been eliminated. Now I know why. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Carney To: Doug Drown ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: WJAR dropps Weather Plus NBC ultimately shut down the national service once they bought the Weather Channel. After 1/1 there were no live forecasts from any of the WJAR staff, just a loop showing radar and doppler along with the 7 day for Newport, Providence and New Bedford. No ads either, so it wasn't making money. There were breaks for ad insertion with NBC Weather Plus. I think it was done because the local cable companies (mostly Cox and Comcast) picked up 10.2 but were unwilling to give space for 10.3. I live over the boarder in MA and get it OTA with a regular converter box and rabbit ears. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Doug Drown To: m_carney@yahoo.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:22:01 AM Subject: Re: WJAR dropps Weather Plus What are "the questions about NBC's weather service"? Jan 23, 2009 05:37:45 AM, m_carney@yahoo.com wrote: As of last night WJAR dropped Weather Plus on 10.2 and replaced it with Retro Network Television (RTN). They had originally planned to start running RTN back in October (on 10.3) but between RTN's somewhat shaky financial situation and the questions about NBC's weather service they decided to wait. RTN was running "It Takes A Thief" (which I haven't seen in over 30 years) and "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" last night, and of course infomercials this morning. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 23 17:04:08 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:04:08 -0500 Subject: RTN and ThisTV (was Re: WJAR drops Weather Plus) Message-ID: <20090123220408.907F9326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Q. George" >To: "Boston Radio Group" , "Larry Weil" >Subject: RTN and ThisTV (was Re: WJAR drops Weather Plus) >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) >Personally, I'm really enjoying the Retro Television Network on >WJAR 10.2. It's a welcomed change to the sameness of the rest of >the OTA fare (analog or digital). I know that RTN went through >some economic issues a few weeks back. But with all that out of >the way, I think they will do fine in the coming weeks and months. >I also look forward to ThisTV on Channel 7.2 (WHDH-DT). Having >watched WCIU/26 and WWME/"MeTV" stations (Weigel Broadcasting) >while in Chicago, myself, I'm sure that This TV (a combined effort >between Weigel and MGM), that it will be a winner as well. Kudos >to WHDH for planning to add ThisTV to Channel 7.2 . A few days ago, I was fiddling around with my DTV-to-analog box, and noticed that WUNI-DT channel 29 (analog channel 27) had a second channel, consisiting of nothing but vertical bars in several colores, I mean colors. I don't know if they're doing this so pople setting up their TVs can test their sets, or if they're preparing to add another service. (There is no sound.) If they wanted to offer a really interesting test pattern, this might do the job: http://www.dearauntnettie.com/museum/museum-venus.htm -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 23 23:13:41 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:13:41 -0500 Subject: for those who didn't see this article Message-ID: <20090124041359.B7E7E2089F6@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Christian Science Monitor, 23 January 2009 (and I guess the author interviewed Gabe Hobbs before he got fired...) http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0123/p13s01-algn.html Your local DJ ? a few time zones away Radio stations are axing staff and subbing in syndicated hosts to cut costs. By Randy Dotinga | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor from the January 23, 2009 edition You could call it the culling of the heard. In Boston, a popular AM station has stopped broadcasting live overnight for the first time since 1952. In San Diego, the nation's ninth-largest city, just two major local talk-show hosts remain on the air after cutbacks. And across the country, stations are banishing local disc jockeys to the unemployment line in favor of nationally syndicated hosts like Ryan Seacrest and John Tesh. There's a common theme here: With all of its costs, live and local radio programming is in decline. In essence, many in the radio industry are concluding that it doesn't matter if the voice introducing the next "seven-song rock bloc" is in the same time zone. But observers fear radio is dooming itself to irrelevance in a world full of rivals like satellite radio and iPods. Local programming is the only thing that sets radio stations apart, says radio consultant Donna Halper, an assistant professor at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. "I want something I can't get anywhere else," she says. The radio industry, just like newspapers and books and other forms of media, is facing an unprecedented financial crunch. Radio advertising revenue dropped by9 percent in the third quarter of 2008 compared with the same period in the previous year, and many radio companies are saddled with huge amounts of debt. Just this week, the giant Clear Channel Communications company, which owns more than 1,200 US radio stations, laid off 1,850 workers, many of them radio personalities and executives. The cuts account for 9 percent of the company's employees. Then there's the matter of precedent: Radio stations have been moving away from live and local programming for more than a decade without falling apart. Owners have centralized operations, leaving many smaller stations with few ? or any ? local radio personalities. Live request shows and call-in contests have become rarer than ever; in some cases, disc jockeys try to fool listeners into thinking they're local even though they prerecord their between-song patter in faraway cities. Still, many stations tried to remain local, at least during daytime and evening hours on weekdays. But then the economy slumped in 2008, and more cuts came. "These are tough decisions people are making in a real scary time," says Charlie Quinn, a CBS Radio executive who works at KyXy, a soft-rock station in San Diego. The station is one of only two in the city of 1.3 million that airs live and local programming 24 hours a day. But Mr. Quinn acknowledges that his station may soon begin airing a syndicated show in the evening. Quinn has plenty of company. More stations are turning to syndicated programming. Radio stations typically can broadcast syndicated shows at no cost; they just have to allow a distributor to sell some of the commercials on the show. In some cases, it's cheaper for a station to air syndicated programming than to hire a local disc jockey or talk show host. As a result of cutbacks, national radio personalities such as Mr. Seacrest ? who hosts a weekday music show in addition to his duties as host of "American Idol" ? are now heard in cities like Atlanta and San Diego, where local disc jockeys lost their jobs to make room for him. Talk show hosts are suffering, too, finding themselves replaced by national hosts who only talk about national issues. Boston's WBZ, for instance, dumped a local overnight host earlier this month in favor of a syndicated show. Some listeners were unhappy. One online commenter said the show was an oasis amid shows that have "no connection to life in Boston, or New England, for that matter. Not local; not relevant; annoying; boring; repetitive; disconnected. That's the bottom line." But some argue that radio doesn't need to be local to be compelling. "I have a very simple philosophy ... put the very best product you can on the air, regardless of origin," says Gabe Hobbs, a senior vice president for programming at Clear Channel. That may be a wise strategy, but a heavy focus on national shows creates another problem: The next generations of Rush Limbaughs and Ryan Seacrests won't have the opportunity to learn their craft at small radio stations if there are no on-air shifts for them to take. For now, the radio industry seems likely to continue what a San Diego radio executive calls a "terrific experiment" in moving away from a local focus. "There are a couple of us left who will continue doing it the way it's always been done," says Darrel Goodin, general manager of three San Diego music stations that retain a local focus. "It's what I'll call the right way." From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 23 23:14:59 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:14:59 -0500 Subject: for those who didn't see this article, PS Message-ID: <20090124041517.CC49E208C33@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> My apologies for sending the entire article rather than a summary and a URL. I know that violates list policy and I realized that as soon as I sent it... From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Jan 24 13:33:51 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:33:51 -0500 Subject: Another WBIX "financial adviser" in trouble Message-ID: <497B5F0F.5060801@gabrielmass.com> Apparently walking in the footsteps of WBIX owner Brad Bleidt, another on-air "financial adviser", Gregg T. Rennie, is accused of swindling $4 million from investors. They could have done better in the Click and Clack Capital Depreciation Fund. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_01_24_Ex-radio_host_Gregg_T__Rennie_accused_of_stealing_millions/srvc=home&position=5 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 20:52:10 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:52:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes Message-ID: <143241.87075.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Channel 21 Concord NH ION, used to be 21-2 Ion 21-3 qubo 21-4 IonLife 21-5 Worship Actually on the channel designators used to show up, that is 21-2, with no label, i.e. Ion. Now the channels, in the same order, are renumbered 21-1, through 21-4. 21-5 still shows on my box as black, but the program guide for 21-5 is upto date for the Worhsip Channel. WDHD Boston I always used to scan 7-1, 7-2, and 42-5. 42-5 would alsways give an audio only indicator, with black screen. Now I am seeing 42-3 and 42-4, with same programming as 7-1 and 7-2. John B Derry NH From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 25 22:30:23 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:30:23 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: <143241.87075.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <143241.87075.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497D2E4F.7020206@fybush.com> John Bolduc wrote: > Channel 21 Concord NH ION, used to be > > 21-2 Ion 21-3 qubo 21-4 IonLife 21-5 Worship > > Actually on the channel designators used to show up, that is 21-2, > with no label, i.e. Ion. > > Now the channels, in the same order, are renumbered 21-1, through > 21-4. 21-5 still shows on my box as black, but the program guide for > 21-5 is upto date for the Worhsip Channel. > > > WDHD Boston I always used to scan 7-1, 7-2, and 42-5. 42-5 would > alsways give an audio only indicator, with black screen. > > Now I am seeing 42-3 and 42-4, with same programming as 7-1 and 7-2. Do you, by chance, have a Sony TV? Here's my understanding of what's going on here: a DTV station sends out two sets of data to tell a receiver what it's receiving. There's the PSIP data that controls channel remapping (telling your TV, for instance, that WHDH's main channel should be displayed as "7-1") - and also something called PAT data, which indicates where each subchannel is physically located. Certain receivers - Sony comes to mind, if only because I'm staring at one right now - will display the PAT data if they can't receive or can't interpret the PSIP data, or if there's no PSIP data available. Case in point: my WXXI-DT transmits three "public" video streams on RF channel 16, which are mapped by PSIP to 21.1, 21.2 and 21.3. But we also have another datastream that carries audio to two of our FM transmitter sites. There's no PSIP associated with it, because it's not really intended for public consumption, and it doesn't appear at all on my Zenith converter box or my Magnavox/Funai DVD recorder. On the Sony, though, it appears as 16.7 (and sounds phenomenal, I might add!) s From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 22:45:32 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:32 -0600 Subject: Montreal cable and HDTV Message-ID: <4fc429770901251945j6a1da55eg99189864a166ef7d@mail.gmail.com> In Montreal for the NHL All Star Game and I have noticed something odd on Videotron cable. For the US networks in analog they are picking up 3-5 and 22 out of Burlington-Plattsburg but when you go to HD they are picking up WBZ, WHDH and WXYZ Detroit (Detroit??) PBS is WGBH and FOX is 44 analog and HD is from Rochester. I am wondering if they are having a problem getting DTV over the air and will they just switch to bird feeds come next month? That would be a huge advertising blow to the Vermont outlets. From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 16:32:50 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:32:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Larry DiMentri now at WPRI Message-ID: <587095.50681.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This was in Broadcast & Cable today: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/Station_to_Station/10811-DeMentri_Surfaces_in_Providence.php DeMentri was at WCAU where he was accused of harrasing and stalking his co-anchor (whom he was supposedly involved with at one point) and fighting with the weatherman. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 18:51:04 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:51:04 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio Message-ID: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> With the switch to digital, WCSH-TV, Channel 6 in southern Maine, will no longer be heard on the FM dial. They announced tonight that they have made an agreement for much of their local news programming to be heard on 870 and 1470. The Morning Report will be heard from 5AM to 7AM weekdays and from 6AM to 7AM on Saturday and 6AM to 8AM on Sunday. The evening news will be heard from 5PM to 6:30 PM Monday through Friday. Most of the time, 870 and 1470 carry ESPN. From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:15:19 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Vince DiMentri now at WPRI References: <587095.50681.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507140.75615.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry - got the name wrong. Never ever post from work when you're trying to do 3 other things! ________________________________ From: Maureen Carney To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:32:50 PM Subject: Larry DiMentri now at WPRI This was in Broadcast & Cable today: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/Station_to_Station/10811-DeMentri_Surfaces_in_Providence.php DeMentri was at WCAU where he was accused of harrasing and stalking his co-anchor (whom he was supposedly involved with at one point) and fighting with the weatherman. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:02:07 2009 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Montreal cable and HDTV In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901251945j6a1da55eg99189864a166ef7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <865583.61372.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:32 Kevin Vahey wrote: > In Montreal for the NHL All Star Game and I have > noticed something odd > on Videotron cable. > > For the US networks in analog they are picking up > 3-5 and 22 out of > Burlington-Plattsburg but when you go to HD they are > picking up WBZ, > WHDH and WXYZ Detroit (Detroit??) PBS is WGBH and > FOX is 44 analog > and HD is from Rochester. > > I am wondering if they are having a problem getting > DTV over the air > and will they just switch to bird feeds come next > month? > > That would be a huge advertising blow to the Vermont > outlets. >From what I understand, they could very well be having problems getting the Burlington/Plattsburgh DTV signals right now. AFAIK, the only DTV stations up there on the air at or even close to full power are WPTZ-DT, WETK-DT and WFFF-DT. WCAX is currently broadcasting on temporary channel 53 (On Feb 19, they will be moving to 22, WVNY's analog channel), WVNY's DTV signal is on VHF channel 13, and I don't think WCFE-DT (transmitting from Lyon Mountain just outside Plattsburgh NY) is even on the air right now (they suffered a major fire at their transmitter site recently; last I heard they were broadcasting an SD only feed on one of WCAX-DT's sub channels). I know that WVNY-DT is at severely reduced power right now to protect WNYT-TV Albany's analog signal, and I would think that WCAX's temporary setup on channel 53 is also not running at full power. Any corrections/updates anyone may have for that info would be appreciated, as some of this data may be outdated by now. Hopefully after Feb 19 this situation will improve dramatically. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Jan 26 19:18:50 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam Message-ID: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just came across the wire as so: "WASHINGTON (AP) ? Senate approves four-month delay in digital TV conversion." From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 26 20:54:21 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:54:21 -0500 Subject: B-R-I/NERW Dinner Update Message-ID: <497E694D.1040104@fybush.com> I haven't received much response yet to the offer of dinner during my upcoming New England sojourn, so allow me to up the ante... How about FREE dinner? :-) Thanks to Dave Doherty, we've got free pizza Wednesday night, weather permitting, at the NERW/B-R-I dinner at the WBRU studios, 88 Benevolent Street, Providence. Now who's interested? RSVP to me offlist by Tuesday night if you'd be so kind. And for those who don't feel like schlepping to Rhode Island in the (maybe) snow, how about MetroWest Thursday night? Interested? Check in with me offlist about that, too... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 26 20:36:01 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:36:01 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044> Anybody know what the bill says? If it _allows_ stations to continue analog transmissions, that wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be a disaster. If it _requires_ stations to continue in analog, what a f@#king disaster! I can't believe that someone as smart as Obama would get behind that proposal without first getting an explanation of the ramifications. If, indeed, that's what happened, he just took a big nose-dive in MY personal approval rating. I mean, if he can screw up the digital TV transition, why should I believe he won't screw up Stimulus package # (what number is it, by the way?) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam Just came across the wire as so: "WASHINGTON (AP) ? Senate approves four-month delay in digital TV conversion." From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 26 21:21:35 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:21:35 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044> References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anybody know what the bill says? If it _allows_ stations to continue > analog transmissions, that wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be a > disaster. If it _requires_ stations to continue in analog, what a > f@#king disaster! I can't believe that someone as smart as Obama would > get behind that proposal without first getting an explanation of the > ramifications. If, indeed, that's what happened, he just took a big > nose-dive in MY personal approval rating. I mean, if he can screw up > the digital TV transition, why should I believe he won't screw up > Stimulus package # (what number is it, by the way?) Relax. It's optional for stations, and it sounds like many stations will be choosing not to take the option. s From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Jan 26 21:17:35 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <849896.32553.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 1/26/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Anybody know what the bill says? If it _allows_ stations to > continue > analog transmissions, that wouldn't be great, but it > wouldn't be a > disaster. If it _requires_ stations to continue in analog, > what a > f@#king disaster! I can't believe that someone as smart > as Obama would > get behind that proposal without first getting an > explanation of the > ramifications. If, indeed, that's what happened, he > just took a big > nose-dive in MY personal approval rating. I mean, if he can > screw up > the digital TV transition, why should I believe he > won't screw up > Stimulus package # (what number is it, by the way?) Here is AP's first two paragraphs, provided for context on the bill. "WASHINGTON (AP) ? The Senate on Monday voted unanimously to postpone the upcoming transition from analog to digital television broadcasting by four months to June 12 ? setting the stage for Congress to pass the proposal as early as Tuesday. "Monday?s Senate vote is a big victory for the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress, who have been pushing for a delay amid growing concerns that too many Americans won?t be ready for the currently scheduled Feb. 17 changeover." A full link: http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=116&sid=1585412. From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Jan 26 21:38:14 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:38:14 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com> References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044> <497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com> Message-ID: <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> On Jan 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Relax. It's optional for stations, and it sounds like many stations > will be choosing not to take the option. If it's optional, why bother? How many stations would keep their analog transmitter going if they didn't have to? Paul From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 22:58:06 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:58:06 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><84043537701143DABFB8812A0462D664@SatU205S5044><497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com> <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> Message-ID: <62FC657D09CA4D50AB023C3DAF9C9E84@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Anderson" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Digital TV delay gains steam > If it's optional, why bother? How many stations would keep their analog > transmitter going if they didn't have to? Why bother? It provides political cover when people call to complain. The TV stations can now be blamed rather than the government. It is one of the oldest political moves around -- the appearance of doing something without actually doing anything. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 26 23:03:40 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:03:40 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com>, <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> Message-ID: <497E414C.4210.8891FD@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Jan 2009 at 21:38, Paul Anderson wrote: > If it's optional, why bother? How many stations would keep their > analog transmitter going if they didn't have to? Since some stations have already shut off their analog transmitters, it would seem already to be optonal. Why are they all keeping their analog transmitters going now? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jan 26 23:21:46 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:21:46 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> There'll be some very happy people in Greater Portland. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio > With the switch to digital, WCSH-TV, Channel 6 in southern Maine, will no > longer be heard on the FM dial. > > They announced tonight that they have made an agreement for much of their > local news programming to be heard on 870 and 1470. The Morning Report > will be heard from 5AM to 7AM weekdays and from 6AM to 7AM on Saturday and > 6AM to 8AM on Sunday. The evening news will be heard from 5PM to 6:30 PM > Monday through Friday. > > Most of the time, 870 and 1470 carry ESPN. > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 26 23:31:57 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:31:57 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <497E414C.4210.8891FD@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <852985.27048.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <497E6FAF.1050108@fybush.com>, <2C2FF61E-9992-40E3-BB58-09023BC52A6A@charter.net> <497E414C.4210.8891FD@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <497E8E3D.3010800@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 26 Jan 2009 at 21:38, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> If it's optional, why bother? How many stations would keep their >> analog transmitter going if they didn't have to? > > Since some stations have already shut off their analog transmitters, > it would seem already to be optonal. Why are they all keeping their > analog transmitters going now? Depends on the market. In markets that still have a decent amount of OTA viewership (we were at 18% here in Rochester before the conversion started), there's still the potential of measurable audience loss if you pull the plug on analog before the other guys in town do the same. I suspect my bosses at WXXI will keep our analog transmitter running as long as they can, if only in the cause of public service. (No viewer left behind?) s From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jan 26 23:05:29 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:05:29 -0500 Subject: Montreal cable and HDTV References: <865583.61372.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D29E14EEC744D62B3B2194C4958E32D@DougDrown> If I'm not mistaken, folks in the Fredericton, N.B., area also get WHDH, WBZ and WXYZ as the principal American network stations on their cable. Maritimers and Quebecois have long-held sentimental, economic and familial ties with Boston and the rest of New England, so I can see why the Boston stations would be desirable there, but like you, I don't understand where Detroit fits into the picture. Must have something to do with some kind of inaccessibility vis-a-vis WCVB. Curiously, many Maritimers have no access to Maine television, either, not even WAGM in Presque Isle. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Montreal cable and HDTV > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:32 Kevin Vahey > wrote: > >> In Montreal for the NHL All Star Game and I have >> noticed something odd >> on Videotron cable. >> >> For the US networks in analog they are picking up >> 3-5 and 22 out of >> Burlington-Plattsburg but when you go to HD they are >> picking up WBZ, >> WHDH and WXYZ Detroit (Detroit??) PBS is WGBH and >> FOX is 44 analog >> and HD is from Rochester. >> >> I am wondering if they are having a problem getting >> DTV over the air >> and will they just switch to bird feeds come next >> month? >> >> That would be a huge advertising blow to the Vermont >> outlets. > >>From what I understand, they could very well be having > problems getting the Burlington/Plattsburgh DTV > signals right now. AFAIK, the only DTV stations up > there on the air at or even close to full power are > WPTZ-DT, WETK-DT and WFFF-DT. WCAX is currently > broadcasting on temporary channel 53 (On Feb 19, they > will be moving to 22, WVNY's analog channel), WVNY's > DTV signal is on VHF channel 13, and I don't think > WCFE-DT (transmitting from Lyon Mountain just outside > Plattsburgh NY) is even on the air right now (they > suffered a major fire at their transmitter site > recently; last I heard they were broadcasting an SD > only feed on one of WCAX-DT's sub channels). I know > that WVNY-DT is at severely reduced power right now to > protect WNYT-TV Albany's analog signal, and I would > think that WCAX's temporary setup on channel 53 is > also not running at full power. Any > corrections/updates anyone may have for that info > would be appreciated, as some of this data may be > outdated by now. > Hopefully after Feb 19 this situation will improve > dramatically. > > Matt Osborne > Schenectady, NY > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 03:18:57 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:18:57 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> But we find in another thread that the digital conversion deadline has been pushed back to June! Whether WCSH/6 takes adv. or not, I don't know. Probably has decided to shut off the analog on Feb 17 regardless, but... On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > There'll be some very happy people in Greater Portland. > -Doug From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 27 05:37:08 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 5:37:08 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090127103708.C9V15.21719.root@hrndva-web05-z01> ---- Bob Nelson wrote: > >>But we find in another thread that the digital conversion deadline has been pushed back to June! Whether WCSH/6 takes adv. or not, I don't know. Probably has decided to shut off the analog on Feb 17 regardless, but... << --- Doug Drown wrote: >> There'll be some very happy people in Greater Portland. << i actually caught a "pirate" on the 87.9 end of the dial the other day while driving through South Portland. it was very localized, no i.d. and playing some fairly fresh funky rock stuff. nothing else up or down the dial matched it. i called WCSH's engineers who didn't seem to give a fig. i am glad that there might be an audio simulcast, though. when working overnights in Boston, i always enjoyed catching a couple of my prime-time favorites on the drive south in the evening. saved vcr watching the next day. --Chuck Igo From sid@wrko.com Tue Jan 27 07:12:24 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:12:24 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>But we find in another thread that the digital conversion deadline has been pushed back to June!<< No it hasn't. There are three steps necessary to make a bill into law and two of them haven't occurred yet. I haven't heard what sort of chance this bill has in the House. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 07:31:35 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes Message-ID: <799004.1640.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>From: Scott Fybush >>Do you, by chance, have a Sony TV? I have a Sony TV, but it's analog, so it does not factor in. My DTV box is a Digital Stream. I have both the analog pass through and a non-pass through version. ? So now I have a Sony with a great analog tuner hooked to a mediocre DTV box. ? ? Just to notice,? channel 21.1 and channel 21.2,? Ion and Qubo pulled another switch. Ion is now 21.2, Qubo bumped up to 21.1 (Concord NH). This just one or two days after their previous shuffle. ? So when I went to watch NCIS I got cartoons. Since Ion shuffles their schedule quite a bit, it took me a few minutes to realize that the Goth Lab Rat was now on 21.2. ? John B Derry NH ? ? From: Scott Fybush Do you, by chance, have a Sony TV? From tim_ripley@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 07:50:13 2009 From: tim_ripley@yahoo.com (Tim Ripley) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:50:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Montreal cable and HDTV References: <865583.61372.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <3D29E14EEC744D62B3B2194C4958E32D@DougDrown> Message-ID: <318370.70703.qm@web34504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: Doug Drown To: Matthew Osborne ; Kevin Vahey ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:05:29 AM Subject: Re: Montreal cable and HDTV If I'm not mistaken, folks in the Fredericton, N.B., area also get WHDH, WBZ and WXYZ as the principal American network stations on their cable. Maritimers and Quebecois have long-held sentimental, economic and? familial ties with Boston and the rest of New England, so I can see why the Boston stations would be desirable there, but like you, I don't understand where Detroit fits into the picture.? Must have something to do with some kind of inaccessibility vis-a-vis WCVB.? Curiously, many Maritimers have no access to Maine television, either, not even WAGM in Presque Isle. -Doug WAGM is carried on cable on the Rogers systems in the St. John River Valley (Edmundston through to Nackawic) and can be picked up OTA?in Fredericton's western suburbs. Not sure about WMEM's range. WLBZ and WABI have relays in the Calais area (ch 57 and 61 respectively) that can be viewed in parts of Charlotte County, NB. The St, Andrews community channel, CHCT-TV, ?makes reference to the Calais relays on their page on how to receive the St. Andrews channel. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 09:39:53 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:39:53 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> But we find in another thread that the digital conversion >>> deadline has > been pushed back to June!<< > > No it hasn't. There are three steps necessary to make a bill into > law and two of them haven't occurred yet. I haven't heard what sort > of chance this bill has in the House. It's a done deal at this point. The only reason it didn't get done a couple of weeks ago was that Republicans in the Senate were holding it up - that bar has now been cleared and the only remaining obstacle is reconciling the Senate bill with a similar one in the House. It's largely a feel-good bill at this point, since stations can still sign off on 2/17 if they want to, and it looks like enough of them will do so to make universal analog TV a thing of the past de facto, if not de jure, long before June. s From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 27 11:11:29 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:11:29 -0500 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? Message-ID: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have Comcast's standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but what came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice, the same one that comes up when I try to watch the NFL Network or Fox Soccer Channel there. I'm confused. I thought that Comcast and other major cable operators were going to put MLB on the basic digital service in return for a share in ownership of the channel to avoid the stalemate the NFL has been in with the cable industry for two full seasons. Why is Comcast putting MLB Network on the premium sports tier? Howard From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 11:14:41 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:14:41 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0901270814t7cbc4f6dhf631c1c4a62ac9b3@mail.gmail.com> Right--once I saw it passed the Senate I figured it will be fast-tracked to law eventually and given the number of people who still haven't gotten the coupons, and those who still haven't found out about it (perhaps a small percentage overall but still quite a few people), Congress, etc figured they may as well push BACK the final-final-absolute final deadline. I picked up a pirate once in Haverhill on 87.9--playing stuff like excerpts from the South Park movie. I don't think it was from someone's house or from a nearby car. > It's a done deal at this point. The only reason it didn't get done a couple > of weeks ago was that Republicans in the Senate were holding it up - that > bar has now been cleared and the only remaining obstacle is reconciling the > Senate bill with a similar one in the House. > > It's largely a feel-good bill at this point, since stations can still sign > off on 2/17 if they want to, and it looks like enough of them will do so to > make universal analog TV a thing of the past de facto, if not de jure, long > before June. > > s > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 11:16:33 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:16:33 -0500 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? In-Reply-To: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> I don't have it either in Beverly. I have expanded basic and I get the "you are not authorized to view this channel" message. A friend in Ohio (with Time-Warner Roadrunner, I think) has it. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have Comcast's > standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB > Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but what > came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 11:46:41 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:46:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> <1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <847678.14228.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It (along with NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, Fox Soccer Channel, Tennis Channel and some others) is in the sports package and not included with standard digital. ________________________________ From: Bob Nelson To: Howard Glazer Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:16:33 AM Subject: Re: MLB Network on premium tier? I don't have it either in Beverly. I have expanded basic and I get the "you are not authorized to view this channel" message. A friend in Ohio (with Time-Warner Roadrunner, I think) has it. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have Comcast's > standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB > Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but what > came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice From stuff@struff.com Tue Jan 27 12:17:18 2009 From: stuff@struff.com (David Struffolino) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:17:18 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes Message-ID: I hate this. I'm in the Merrimack Valley and I can't get a thing on my DTV converter boxes. On analog I've always had great signals for 7, 9, and 11 and somewhat usable signals (snowy, but watchable) on 4, 5, 6, 8, 13 and sometimes 10. I have a rooftop antenna (which was there when I bought the house 10 years ago) and I have tried three different internal/amplified antennas over the past few months but I get nothing at all on the DTV boxes. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 27 12:18:16 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:18:16 -0500 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer><1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> <847678.14228.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> So Comcast (and Time Warner and several other cable titans) owns a share of the MLB Network yet is still treating it the same way it treats the NFL Network? And Bud Selig is fine with this? I don't get it. Howard Maureen Carney wrote: > It (along with NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, Fox Soccer Channel, Tennis Channel and some others) is in the sports package and not included with standard digital. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Nelson > To: Howard Glazer > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:16:33 AM > Subject: Re: MLB Network on premium tier? > > I don't have it either in Beverly. I have expanded basic and I get the > "you are not authorized to view this channel" message. A friend in > Ohio (with Time-Warner Roadrunner, I think) has it. > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Howard Glazer wrote: > > I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have Comcast's > > standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB > > Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but what > > came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice > > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 12:23:44 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:23:44 -0600 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? In-Reply-To: <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> <1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> <847678.14228.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770901270923u5490f9a7i383fb6c1dd66345d@mail.gmail.com> It maybe a headend problem. Cambridge and Chelmsford have it on 269 and in both cases the sports tier is not bought. On 1/27/09, Howard Glazer wrote: > So Comcast (and Time Warner and several other cable titans) owns a share of > the MLB Network yet is still treating it the same way it treats the NFL > Network? And Bud Selig is fine with this? I don't get it. > > Howard > > Maureen Carney wrote: > >> It (along with NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, Fox Soccer Channel, > Tennis Channel and some others) is in the sports package and not included > with standard digital. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Nelson >> To: Howard Glazer >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:16:33 AM >> Subject: Re: MLB Network on premium tier? >> >> I don't have it either in Beverly. I have expanded basic and I get the >> "you are not authorized to view this channel" message. A friend in >> Ohio (with Time-Warner Roadrunner, I think) has it. >> >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Howard Glazer > wrote: >> > I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have > Comcast's >> > standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB >> > Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but > what >> > came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice >> >> >> >> >> > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 12:49:54 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:49:54 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <083EFE080E2B42E1A1D821893DBE661D@fs.uml.edu> Is there a good UHF element on your antenna? You've mentioned all VHF channels. Many people forget that "channel 5" is now really "channel 20". I had rabbit ears with just a simple UHF loop before I got a digital TV. It didn't really pull in the digital stations. I bought an amplified and very directional multi-element indoor UHF antenna and now digital comes in fine in Andover. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Struffolino Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:17 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes I hate this. I'm in the Merrimack Valley and I can't get a thing on my DTV converter boxes. On analog I've always had great signals for 7, 9, and 11 and somewhat usable signals (snowy, but watchable) on 4, 5, 6, 8, 13 and sometimes 10. I have a rooftop antenna (which was there when I bought the house 10 years ago) and I have tried three different internal/amplified antennas over the past few months but I get nothing at all on the DTV boxes. From mkr@matthewsworkbench.com Tue Jan 27 13:23:00 2009 From: mkr@matthewsworkbench.com (Matthew Reed) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:23:00 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> Message-ID: <497F5104.1010602@matthewsworkbench.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > It's largely a feel-good bill at this point, since stations can still > sign off on 2/17 if they want to, and it looks like enough of them will > do so to make universal analog TV a thing of the past de facto, if not > de jure, long before June. What I don't understand is how this will affect stations that need to swap channel assignments. For example, right now WCAX is transmitting on their temporary digital channel of 53. They can't move to their permanent digital channel of 22 until WVNY turns off their analog signal on that channel. But WVNY is unlikely to do that until they can broadcast at full power on their digital channel of 13. As I understand it, they can't do that until WNYT turns off their analog signal on that channel. So isn't any decision by WCAX to turn off their analog transmitter dependent upon decisions made by the two other stations? From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 27 13:42:13 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:42:13 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01c980ae$fd2d2970$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of David Struffolino > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:17 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes > > I hate this. I'm in the Merrimack Valley and I can't get a > thing on my DTV converter boxes. On analog I've always had > great signals for 7, 9, and > 11 and somewhat usable signals (snowy, but watchable) on 4, > 5, 6, 8, 13 and sometimes 10. > > I have a rooftop antenna (which was there when I bought the > house 10 years > ago) and I have tried three different internal/amplified > antennas over the past few months but I get nothing at all on > the DTV boxes. > If the rooftop antenna is a VHF only model, it won't do much for DTV, at leat until Feb (or June) when WHDH-DT returns to channel 7. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jan 27 14:54:01 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:54:01 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0901270814t7cbc4f6dhf631c1c4a62ac9b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0901270814t7cbc4f6dhf631c1c4a62ac9b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01c980b9$00536420$00fa2c60$@com> > I picked up a pirate once in Haverhill on 87.9--playing stuff like > excerpts from the > South Park movie. I don't think it was from someone's house or from a > nearby car. > > If you were on I-495 near Chunkys you might have been picking up the cinema's assistive listening device. A now defunct manufacturer, Smart Devices, made a low rent (cheesy) assistive listening system for the hard of hearing that used a small, frequency agile, FM transmitter. Patrons wishing to use the system were given a REAL cheap Walkman to use with it. The system was essentially a Mr. Microphone with a line input. [Brian Vita] Brian Vita From attychase@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 14:56:16 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:56:16 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes References: Message-ID: <109866210D674D02AD36D9C1CC3896E6@HomeOffice> Is the only way to find out what my Panasonic DVR gets (as opposed to Comcast's lineup on their digital box) is by scanning the channels and looking and recording each one? Isn't there a list somewhere? > > 1. DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes (John Bolduc) From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Jan 27 15:05:07 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:05:07 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: <109866210D674D02AD36D9C1CC3896E6@HomeOffice> References: <109866210D674D02AD36D9C1CC3896E6@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <497F68F3.1060904@gabrielmass.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > Is the only way to find out what my Panasonic DVR gets (as opposed to > Comcast's lineup on their digital box) is by scanning the channels and > looking and recording each one? Isn't there a list somewhere? >> >> 1. DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes (John Bolduc) > Well, that's half the fun, isn't it? :-) -- --RC From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 15:10:55 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:10:55 -0600 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <20090127103708.C9V15.21719.root@hrndva-web05-z01> References: <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <20090127103708.C9V15.21719.root@hrndva-web05-z01> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901271210v74e2ac33p9452b8336cf75928@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if the 87.9 you heard was someones "overmodulated" satelitte radio rebroadcaster thingy-ma-bob. There's an 88.1 in Philadelphia, WPEB with 1W at 21 meters.. with WPVI going digital, still on 6.. will WPEB be able to get any sort of power increase that would make their signal useable past a few blocks? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:37 AM, wrote: > > ---- Bob Nelson wrote: > > >>But we find in another thread that the digital conversion deadline has > been pushed back to June! Whether WCSH/6 takes adv. or not, I don't know. > Probably has decided to shut off the analog on Feb 17 regardless, but... << > > --- Doug Drown wrote: > >> There'll be some very happy people in Greater Portland. << > > i actually caught a "pirate" on the 87.9 end of the dial the other day > while driving through South Portland. it was very localized, no i.d. and > playing some fairly fresh funky rock stuff. nothing else up or down the > dial matched it. i called WCSH's engineers who didn't seem to give a fig. > i am glad that there might be an audio simulcast, though. when working > overnights in Boston, i always enjoyed catching a couple of my prime-time > favorites on the drive south in the evening. saved vcr watching the next > day. > > --Chuck Igo > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jan 27 15:37:20 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:37:20 -0500 Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back Message-ID: <20090127203720.86F1249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The website Universal Hub says that according to a source, WBZ is bringing back Steve Leveille ("management just let staff know")--and the protests were a major factor! Stay tuned for more info...? http://www.universalhub.com/node/22972 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 16:01:46 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back In-Reply-To: <20090127203720.86F1249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <604058.32919.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 1/27/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > The website Universal Hub says that according to a source, > WBZ is bringing back Steve Leveille ("management > just let staff know")--and the protests were a major > factor! Stay tuned for more info...? > > http://www.universalhub.com/node/22972 This looks like a generic message board... until I see reporting from a somewhat reliable source -- maybe Scott's really in Boston for some Save Steve sit-in? -- I'll take this with a chaser of salt. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jan 27 16:00:44 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:00:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ: Leveille and Dyett to return!! Message-ID: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> http://wbz.com/Steve-LeVeille-and-Lovell-Dyett-to-return-to-WBZ/3735627 Steve gets old slot, Lovell gets Sunday morning show! From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Jan 27 16:06:45 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:06:45 -0500 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? In-Reply-To: <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer><1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> <847678.14228.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <0C2737D4-F589-41A6-8091-3BBB6AF21A0D@charter.net> I have Charter out here in Worcester County and MLB-TV is included in the expanded sports package. The NHL Network is also included in that tier, along with the various Fox Sports, ESPN's and other specialty channels. Apparently the NFL Network wants to be on the basic cable tier (along with ESPN, ESPN2, NESN and Comcast Sports). Charter has resisted, so NFL Network isn't available at all on Charter systems nationwide. When I lived in Comcast territory we had NBA-TV, but for some reason Charter doesn't have that one either. Right now you aren't missing a lot on MLB-TV. They run the same two news shows ten times a day along with rebroadcasts of historic games of the past. It will be interesting to see if the content gets better once spring training begins. -Dave Tomm On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > So Comcast (and Time Warner and several other cable titans) owns a > share of > the MLB Network yet is still treating it the same way it treats the > NFL > Network? And Bud Selig is fine with this? I don't get it. > > Howard > > Maureen Carney wrote: > >> It (along with NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, Fox Soccer Channel, > Tennis Channel and some others) is in the sports package and not > included > with standard digital. >> From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 16:07:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:07:01 -0600 Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back In-Reply-To: <604058.32919.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090127203720.86F1249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <604058.32919.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901271307l7c0c8becy90e737a3b16f6024@mail.gmail.com> It is official and Lovell is back as well. On 1/27/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Tue, 1/27/09, Bob Nelson wrote: >> The website Universal Hub says that according to a source, >> WBZ is bringing back Steve Leveille ("management >> just let staff know")--and the protests were a major >> factor! Stay tuned for more info...? >> >> http://www.universalhub.com/node/22972 > > This looks like a generic message board... until I see reporting from a > somewhat reliable source -- maybe Scott's really in Boston for some Save > Steve sit-in? -- I'll take this with a chaser of salt. > > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jan 27 16:11:23 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:11:23 -0500 Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back Message-ID: <20090127211123.5A023CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> You can't get more official than the station itself :) http://wbz.com/Steve-LeVeille-and-Lovell-Dyett-to-return-to-WBZ/3735627 From hmglaz@att.net Tue Jan 27 15:14:32 2009 From: hmglaz@att.net (hmglaz@att.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:14:32 +0000 Subject: MLB Network on premium tier? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901270923u5490f9a7i383fb6c1dd66345d@mail.gmail.com> References: <003401c98099$ea6c7da0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> <1fbbbced0901270816r1336cafeoba106257a2e10419@mail.gmail.com> <847678.14228.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001401c980a3$3edd87e0$2c8e4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770901270923u5490f9a7i383fb6c1dd66345d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012720092014.2526.497F6B280001BB14000009DE22216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBF960E04090308@att.net> Found this in Wikipedia's "MLB Network" entry. Seems Comcast got MLB to change the original agreement: Comcast does not carry this channel on their "Digital Starter" package, even though the network was initially supposed to be carried on "digital cable at the "digital basic" or equivalent level of service." according to the MLB Network website at the beginning of 2009. The language on the MLB Network website was later updated to "expanded digital basic cable or the equivalent." Howard -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kevin Vahey > > It maybe a headend problem. > > Cambridge and Chelmsford have it on 269 and in both cases the sports > tier is not bought. > > > > On 1/27/09, Howard Glazer wrote: > > So Comcast (and Time Warner and several other cable titans) owns a share of > > the MLB Network yet is still treating it the same way it treats the NFL > > Network? And Bud Selig is fine with this? I don't get it. > > > > Howard > > > > Maureen Carney wrote: > > > >> It (along with NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, Fox Soccer Channel, > > Tennis Channel and some others) is in the sports package and not included > > with standard digital. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bob Nelson > >> To: Howard Glazer > >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:16:33 AM > >> Subject: Re: MLB Network on premium tier? > >> > >> I don't have it either in Beverly. I have expanded basic and I get the > >> "you are not authorized to view this channel" message. A friend in > >> Ohio (with Time-Warner Roadrunner, I think) has it. > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Howard Glazer > > wrote: > >> > I was visiting family in Swampscott over the weekend. They have > > Comcast's > >> > standard digital package, so I figured I'd check to see whether the MLB > >> > Network had been added yet. It was there (channel 269, I think), but > > what > >> > came up on the screen was the "You are not subscribed" notice > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 16:14:20 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:20 -0500 Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901271307l7c0c8becy90e737a3b16f6024@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B7EA33359D747A493ACC5F8E1427B5B@DHPP0DB1> > It is official and Lovell is back as well. Lovell is just back for a Sunday morning public affairs show from 4:30-5 AM. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Jan 27 16:29:16 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:29:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Universal Hub: Leveille may be back In-Reply-To: <20090127211123.5A023CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <738807.76067.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 1/27/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > You can't get more official than the station itself :) > > http://wbz.com/Steve-LeVeille-and-Lovell-Dyett-to-return-to-WBZ/3735627 Well, I sit corrected. (And my previous comment was no slam at the site's founder, who after doing a little digging I learned has posted here for quite a while. I'm just skeptical when I read rumors posted on a Web site operated by a non-traditional media outlets. Hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 15:17:00 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:17:00 -0600 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: <799004.1640.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <799004.1640.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901271217h414443e1s2c58d6390593af34@mail.gmail.com> John, I love the goth lab rat too;) The show is on USA network 5pm to 8pm every weekday and sometimes form 9pm to 10pm as well......I watch the show just about every day. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:31 AM, John Bolduc wrote: > > I have a Sony TV, but it's analog, so it does not factor in. My DTV box is > a Digital Stream. I have both the analog pass through and a non-pass through > version. > > So now I have a Sony with a great analog tuner hooked to a mediocre DTV > box. > > Just to notice, channel 21.1 and channel 21.2, Ion and Qubo pulled > another switch. Ion is now 21.2, Qubo bumped up to 21.1 (Concord NH). This > just one or two days after their previous shuffle. > > So when I went to watch NCIS I got cartoons. Since Ion shuffles their > schedule quite a bit, it took me a few minutes to realize that the Goth Lab > Rat was now on 21.2. > > John B > Derry NH > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 18:22:09 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:22:09 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio Message-ID: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> The Portland Press Herald reports besides adding the audio of the morning & early evening WCSH newscasts, a format change takes place on 870 & 1470 next Monday, dropping ESPN Sports for "The Oldies Channel" : http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/038883.html Mark Watson From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 27 19:10:25 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:10:25 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio In-Reply-To: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> References: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> Message-ID: <003101c980dc$d24de310$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Watson > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:22 PM > To: Boston Radio > Subject: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio > > The Portland Press Herald reports besides adding the audio > of the morning & early evening WCSH newscasts, a format > change takes place on 870 & 1470 next Monday, dropping ESPN > Sports for "The Oldies Channel" : > > http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/038883.html > It did seem to me that Maine was getting over-saturated with sports stations, so something had to give. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 20:17:57 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (Paul Currier) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:17:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: SUPAH!> From: raccoonradio@mail.com> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:00:44 -0500> Subject: WBZ: Leveille and Dyett to return!!> > http://wbz.com/Steve-LeVeille-and-Lovell-Dyett-to-return-to-WBZ/3735627> > Steve gets old slot, Lovell gets Sunday morning show! From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 27 20:54:59 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:54:59 -0500 Subject: Press release about LeVeille at WBZ Web site Message-ID: What do Peter Casey's comments about Saturday nights imply about Jordan Rich? I believe that I am the only person in 38 states and all the best Canadian provinces who can't STAND Jordan, so if the implication is that WBZ will air less of him or, better yet, none of him, I will be alone in cheering quietly. (I'm not even sure that I'd care if WBZ replaced him with EverCleanse infomercials.) But I'd be interested in hearing others' speculations. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 27 21:30:36 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:30:36 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 27 21:34:25 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:34:25 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio In-Reply-To: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> References: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> Message-ID: <8971706FF8DD48DBB18E40E4DEBD66E0@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio > The Portland Press Herald reports besides adding the audio of the morning > & early evening WCSH newscasts, a format change takes place on 870 & 1470 > next Monday, dropping ESPN Sports for "The Oldies Channel" : > > http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/038883.html With WEEI now on in southern Maine, along with the Big Jab, you had to figure that ESPN would go away. I really like Mike & Mike and Colin Cowheard (sp?). I can still get ESPN on 1160 WSKW Skowhegan, though that station has been off the air this week. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Jan 27 21:41:17 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:41:17 -0500 Subject: Press release about LeVeille at WBZ Web site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18815.50637.986645.126702@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What do Peter Casey's comments about Saturday nights imply about > Jordan Rich? I believe that I am the only person in 38 states and all > the best Canadian provinces who can't STAND Jordan I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I never did much care for any of the shows I've heard him do (including the weekend feature he does to plug Boston Mag). -GAWollman From irw@well.com Tue Jan 27 21:46:40 2009 From: irw@well.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:46:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Dan Billings wrote: > What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? I am sure there are listeners at that hour. However, I wonder if they are P1's (probably not) or your desired audience during Important Money Making Times (again, probably not). From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 27 21:54:38 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:54:38 -0600 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901271854v65280519o2f62b743a1b9666b@mail.gmail.com> To fulfill public service programming requirements. Paul On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? > > > > From grand38911@aol.com Tue Jan 27 22:03:09 2009 From: grand38911@aol.com (grand38911@aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:03:09 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio In-Reply-To: <8971706FF8DD48DBB18E40E4DEBD66E0@DanBillingsPC> References: <8971706FF8DD48DBB18E40E4DEBD66E0@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <8CB4F0C15508F97-106C-1D9B@WEBMAIL-DZ15.sysops.aol.com> Wasn't it about 10-12 years ago that WLAM/WKZN used to simulcast WMTW's 6 PM newscast? Back when it was?in a talk format? Was it Neila Smith, Bob Dyk and/or Bill Nemitz who had a local show? It will be nice to keep the?half hour?newscasts on the radio. Greg Rand -----Original Message----- From: Dan Billings To: Mark Watson ; Boston Radio Sent: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 9:34 pm Subject: Re: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" ? To: "Boston Radio" ? Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:22 PM? Subject: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio? ? > The Portland Press Herald reports besides adding the audio of the morning > & early evening WCSH newscasts, a format change takes place on 870 & 1470 > next Monday, dropping ESPN Sports for "The Oldies Channel" :? >? > http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/038883.html? ? With WEEI now on in southern Maine, along with the Big Jab, you had to figure that ESPN would go away.? ? I really like Mike & Mike and Colin Cowheard (sp?).? ? I can still get ESPN on 1160 WSKW Skowhegan, though that station has been off the air this week.? ? From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 28 00:15:13 2009 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:15:13 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio References: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> <8971706FF8DD48DBB18E40E4DEBD66E0@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: >>I can still get ESPN on 1160 WSKW Skowhegan, though that station has been >>off the air this week. I've noticed. Any idea why? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Mark Watson" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Watson" > To: "Boston Radio" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:22 PM > Subject: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio > > >> The Portland Press Herald reports besides adding the audio of the >> morning & early evening WCSH newscasts, a format change takes place on >> 870 & 1470 next Monday, dropping ESPN Sports for "The Oldies Channel" : >> >> http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/038883.html > > With WEEI now on in southern Maine, along with the Big Jab, you had to > figure that ESPN would go away. > > I really like Mike & Mike and Colin Cowheard (sp?). > > I can still get ESPN on 1160 WSKW Skowhegan, though that station has been > off the air this week. > From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 28 01:17:47 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:17:47 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <497F5104.1010602@matthewsworkbench.com> References: <4E6E7351B2DC4A86B8CBCDE1717495EA@DanBillingsPC> <1D83FF5BCA394CFE83CDF09AF2C2ED29@DougDrown> <1fbbbced0901270018v41c00cd8xd86e53ff8ec76ae3@mail.gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81CC9BE1B54@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <497F1CB9.1080908@fybush.com> <497F5104.1010602@matthewsworkbench.com> Message-ID: <497FF88B.8010801@fybush.com> Matthew Reed wrote: > Scott Fybush wrote: >> It's largely a feel-good bill at this point, since stations can still >> sign off on 2/17 if they want to, and it looks like enough of them >> will do so to make universal analog TV a thing of the past de facto, >> if not de jure, long before June. > > What I don't understand is how this will affect stations that need to > swap channel assignments. For example, right now WCAX is transmitting on > their temporary digital channel of 53. They can't move to their > permanent digital channel of 22 until WVNY turns off their analog signal > on that channel. But WVNY is unlikely to do that until they can > broadcast at full power on their digital channel of 13. As I understand > it, they can't do that until WNYT turns off their analog signal on that > channel. > > So isn't any decision by WCAX to turn off their analog transmitter > dependent upon decisions made by the two other stations? > Indeed it is - which means there will have to be a lot of coordination and negotiation among stations. s From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 28 03:05:51 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:05:51 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! Message-ID: <20090128080551.2861ECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Lovell is not happy with his treatment (half hour show in a lousy time slot, and not live) http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_01_28_WBZ_brings_back_Steve_LeVeille__Lovell_Dyett/srvc=news&position=also From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 07:13:32 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:13:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: WCSH-TV on the radio In-Reply-To: <497FF88B.8010801@fybush.com> Message-ID: <959499.90581.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm sure that the same situation holds true for WWDP/46, Norwell, MA. As you may know, WWDP originally had their transitional DT on Channel 52. However, their permanent digital assignment is going to be on Channel 10. They had to shutdown their DT-52, back in September, in order to make antenna changes in preparation for their eventual move to Channel 10. Now, with the potential extension for the analog sunset moved back to June 12, and with WJAR still holding the fort on analog Channel 10, WWDP cannot even get testing done without WJAR's approval. Any testing would probably be during the dead of night, IF WJAR provides that leeway between now and June 12th. I'm sure WWDP would love to test their facilities, already installed. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > From: Scott Fybush > Subject: Re: WCSH-TV on the radio > To: "Matthew Reed" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:17 AM > Matthew Reed wrote: > > Scott Fybush wrote: > >> It's largely a feel-good bill at this point, > since stations can still sign off on 2/17 if they want to, > and it looks like enough of them will do so to make > universal analog TV a thing of the past de facto, if not de > jure, long before June. > > > > What I don't understand is how this will affect > stations that need to swap channel assignments. For example, > right now WCAX is transmitting on their temporary digital > channel of 53. They can't move to their permanent > digital channel of 22 until WVNY turns off their analog > signal on that channel. But WVNY is unlikely to do that > until they can broadcast at full power on their digital > channel of 13. As I understand it, they can't do that > until WNYT turns off their analog signal on that channel. > > > > So isn't any decision by WCAX to turn off their > analog transmitter dependent upon decisions made by the two > other stations? > > > > Indeed it is - which means there will have to be a lot of > coordination and negotiation among stations. > > s From mrschuyler@aol.com Wed Jan 28 07:51:06 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:51:06 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! Message-ID: <8CB4F5E38014C19-17B0-2912@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> I'm surprised and pleased to hear Shteve has his broadcasht again!?Lovett really gets thrown a very small bone, and he's right to be upset about the crypt keeper's time slot, but he also doesn't like that the half hour won''t be live.?Actually that's the silver lining, IMHO.?But he derserves better. But the phrase that pays?was Peter Casey's reference to upcoming "revenue programming"?on Saturday nights. What a poetic way to say "informercials."? Revenue programming clings to the walls of my colon like spackle or paste. ---jim schuyler From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 28 09:47:25 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:47:25 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Digital TV delay gains steam Message-ID: <49806FFD.1050106@Gmail.com> On Jan 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Relax. It's optional for stations, and it sounds like many > stations will be choosing not to take the option. If they really want to make it educational and productive??and not just an empty-calorie extension, with continued hand wringing and further delay requests come June 12th??what they should do is require that the analog signals only retransmit the digital signal, *in LETTER BOX format*, with a constant DTV conversion message crawl in the bottom black space and the top black space with the fixed message "(e.g.)WHDH-Boston analog:". The signal is still there (though not in the most comfortable form), there is no way the message can be missed, and (best of all) the station ID is always there, a perfect public service for dx-ers!!! P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From stuff@struff.com Wed Jan 28 10:41:35 2009 From: stuff@struff.com (David Struffolino) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:41:35 -0500 Subject: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes In-Reply-To: <083EFE080E2B42E1A1D821893DBE661D@fs.uml.edu> References: <083EFE080E2B42E1A1D821893DBE661D@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, I forgot to mention that I can get analog 25 and 38, a little snowy, but very readable. What kind of amplified antenna did you get for Andover? On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > Is there a good UHF element on your antenna? You've mentioned all VHF > channels. Many people forget that "channel 5" is now really "channel 20". I > had rabbit ears with just a simple UHF loop before I got a digital TV. It > didn't really pull in the digital stations. I bought an amplified and very > directional multi-element indoor UHF antenna and now digital comes in fine > in Andover. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > David Struffolino > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:17 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: DTV rescan finds a number of numbers changes > > I hate this. I'm in the Merrimack Valley and I can't get a thing on my DTV > converter boxes. On analog I've always had great signals for 7, 9, and > 11 and somewhat usable signals (snowy, but watchable) on 4, 5, 6, 8, 13 and > sometimes 10. > > I have a rooftop antenna (which was there when I bought the house 10 years > ago) and I have tried three different internal/amplified antennas over the > past few months but I get nothing at all on the DTV boxes. > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 28 09:49:35 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:49:35 -0500 Subject: NERW/B-R-I Dinners - Two of 'em! Message-ID: <4980707F.1060309@fybush.com> Wow, I sure picked a day to be in New England, didn't I? (At least the snow is relatively light here in Providence...) Here's the final word on NERW dinners: TONIGHT (Wednesday) - Providence, starting with a WBRU tour at 7 PM at 88 Benevolent Street, then off to dinner nearby. This one's on Dave Doherty, with great thanks. RSVP at 585-721-2596 if you haven't checked in already. TOMORROW (Thursday) - Framingham, at the British Beer Co., 120 Worcester Rd. (Route 9, the old Ground Round), also tentatively 7 PM. Check in by phone or e-mail if you're interested. Hope to see you! s From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:13:26 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:13:26 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80901271854v65280519o2f62b743a1b9666b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> <8bce0fe80901271854v65280519o2f62b743a1b9666b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49808426.3020403@gmail.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > To fulfill public service programming requirements. > > Paul > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > > >> What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? >> Or, to slap Mr. Dyett in the face. Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 28 11:47:55 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:47:55 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <49808426.3020403@gmail.com> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> <8bce0fe80901271854v65280519o2f62b743a1b9666b@mail.gmail.com> <49808426.3020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD13C8D4E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? >> Or, to slap Mr. Dyett in the face.<< What's more of a slap in the face? Putting him on before dawn, or not putting him on at all? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Jan 28 11:44:48 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:44:48 -0600 Subject: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos Message-ID: <4fc429770901280844m53083d47w7304c9577289ae5a@mail.gmail.com> Gil Santos retires from WBZ this week and for the short term will be replaced by Bob Lobel. What I have been told is that Lobel will try it and see if he can become a morning person. I give it a month :) From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Jan 28 11:55:35 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:55:35 -0600 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD13C8D4E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <133E3856FB9A4A8C92E57AD8102162BF@DanBillingsPC> <8bce0fe80901271854v65280519o2f62b743a1b9666b@mail.gmail.com> <49808426.3020403@gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD13C8D4E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770901280855v151894e1mbc0f341544b1c193@mail.gmail.com> If the urban community is so upset about Dyatt they could easily solve the problem by sponsoring his show. At least BZ was upfront about and said the new shows on Saturday produce revenue. On 1/28/09, Sid Schweiger wrote: >>>What is the point of a 4:30 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Sunday morning show? >>> > Or, to slap Mr. Dyett in the face.<< > > What's more of a slap in the face? Putting him on before dawn, or not > putting him on at all? > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > > > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Jan 28 12:39:29 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:39:29 -0500 Subject: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos References: <4fc429770901280844m53083d47w7304c9577289ae5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65450EF2FD5C4EF38B72FAC02EBFE0B2@Family> Kevin wrote: >> Gil Santos retires from WBZ this week and for the short term will be >> replaced by Bob Lobel. What I have been told is that Lobel will try it and see if he can become a morning person. I give it a month :) << so somewhere along the line, did i miss something? what happened with Bob working with Karen on Oldies 103-3? did that really not work out the way they had hoped it would? wow - who would have thought.... --Chuck Igo From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:38:55 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:38:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901280844m53083d47w7304c9577289ae5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <737468.26744.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Wed, 1/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Gil Santos retires from WBZ this week and for the short term > will be > replaced by Bob Lobel. > > What I have been told is that Lobel will try it and see if > he can > become a morning person. > > I give it a month :) Wait, wasn't Lobel doing mornings on Oldies? Or was that experiment done? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jan 28 13:44:53 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:44:53 -0500 Subject: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos In-Reply-To: <737468.26744.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <737468.26744.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4980A7A5.80703@ttlc.net> He didn't test well! Sean Smyth wrote: > On Wed, 1/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> Gil Santos retires from WBZ this week and for the short term >> will be >> replaced by Bob Lobel. >> >> What I have been told is that Lobel will try it and see if >> he can >> become a morning person. >> >> I give it a month :) >> > > Wait, wasn't Lobel doing mornings on Oldies? Or was that experiment done? > > > > > > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Wed Jan 28 14:09:43 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:09:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <572BD890A9DA43FBA219A6C385D8BBFC@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <721307.58464.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As ESPN's Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend... " "WASHINGTON (AP) - House defeats bill that would have delayed analog TV shutdown to June 12." From billohno@gmail.com Wed Jan 28 14:20:22 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:20:22 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <721307.58464.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <721307.58464.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4980AFF6.1010903@gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > As ESPN's Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend... " > > "WASHINGTON (AP) - House defeats bill that would have delayed analog TV shutdown to June 12." > Never underestimate the impact on public reaction to pending legislation. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 14:31:34 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:31:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos References: <4fc429770901280844m53083d47w7304c9577289ae5a@mail.gmail.com> <65450EF2FD5C4EF38B72FAC02EBFE0B2@Family> Message-ID: <895067.24613.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It ended around Thanksgiving when Bob went in for back surgery. ________________________________ From: Chuck Igo To: Kevin Vahey ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:39:29 PM Subject: Re: Bob Lobel wil take over from Gil Santos Kevin wrote: >> Gil Santos retires from WBZ this week and for the short term will be replaced by Bob Lobel. What I have been told is that Lobel will try it and see if he can become a morning person. I give it a month :)? << so somewhere along the line, did i miss something?? what happened with Bob working with Karen on Oldies 103-3?? did that really not work out the way they had hoped it would?? wow - who would have thought.... --Chuck Igo From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 14:39:01 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:39:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: NERW/B-R-I Dinners - Two of 'em! References: <4980707F.1060309@fybush.com> Message-ID: <579411.18619.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually British Beer is where Chili's was most recently (next to the Best Western and across the street from Shopper's World) on Rt. 9 East. Just look for the empty Tweeter store and the soon to be empty Circuti City. As for me my car is in a snowbank right now and I'm waiting for AAA to come. Maureen ________________________________ From: Scott Fybush To: B-R-I Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:49:35 AM Subject: NERW/B-R-I Dinners - Two of 'em! Wow, I sure picked a day to be in New England, didn't I? (At least the snow is relatively light here in Providence...) Here's the final word on NERW dinners: TONIGHT (Wednesday) - Providence, starting with a WBRU tour at 7 PM at 88 Benevolent Street, then off to dinner nearby. This one's on Dave Doherty, with great thanks. RSVP at 585-721-2596 if you haven't checked in already. TOMORROW (Thursday) - Framingham, at the British Beer Co., 120 Worcester Rd. (Route 9, the old Ground Round), also tentatively 7 PM. Check in by phone or e-mail if you're interested. Hope to see you! s From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Wed Jan 28 14:48:06 2009 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:48:06 -0500 Subject: Digital TV delay gains steam In-Reply-To: <721307.58464.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <721307.58464.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4980B676.1090904@nycap.rr.com> I think maybe we should have known this transition was going to be a mess from the events in Phoenix last November... see http://i.gizmodo.com/5141254/house-defeats-bill-to-delay-analog-tv-transition for a picture. :) Sean Smyth wrote: > As ESPN's Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend... " > > "WASHINGTON (AP) - House defeats bill that would have delayed analog TV shutdown to June 12." > > > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Jan 28 18:40:59 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:40:59 -0500 Subject: WCSH-TV on the Radio In-Reply-To: References: <6D72C07402744E43B35302D871918896@Mark> <8971706FF8DD48DBB18E40E4DEBD66E0@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <3EEDD78C78744643953CACF650B0F5FB@DanBillingsPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Mark Watson" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Re:WCSH-TV on the Radio >>>I can still get ESPN on 1160 WSKW Skowhegan, though that station has been >>>off the air this week. > > I've noticed. Any idea why? -Doug No but it was back today. From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 18:53:47 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:53:47 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! References: <20090127210045.4712983985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: In the the interview with Laurie Kirby, Steve says he is returning Monday at Midnight into Tuesday. As he used to start Sunday at midnight, does this mean that he is working 4 overnights rather than 5? Anyone have any insight into this? Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: WBZ: Leveille and Dyett to return!! http://wbz.com/Steve-LeVeille-and-Lovell-Dyett-to-return-to-WBZ/3735627 Steve gets old slot, Lovell gets Sunday morning show! From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 29 10:29:27 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? Message-ID: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> Has anyone else had difficulty accessing radio-info today (Thursday, 1/29/2009)? Earlier this morning I was able to access only the versions of the main home page and discussions home page the Google had cached. That wasn't too helpful as I could not open any posts. A few hours later, attempts to access www.radio-info.com and www.radio-info.net bring up only pages that declare that the domain name has expired. The reason I am inquiring is that I suppose that my PC might have picked up at radio-info.com a virus that causes this behavior when I try to access the radio-info site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Jan 29 10:35:08 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:35:08 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> Radio-Info was working OK early this morning, but it is now sending the expired domain name message here too. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:29 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? Has anyone else had difficulty accessing radio-info today (Thursday, 1/29/2009)? Earlier this morning I was able to access only the versions of the main home page and discussions home page the Google had cached. That wasn't too helpful as I could not open any posts. A few hours later, attempts to access www.radio-info.com and www.radio-info.net bring up only pages that declare that the domain name has expired. The reason I am inquiring is that I suppose that my PC might have picked up at radio-info.com a virus that causes this behavior when I try to access the radio-info site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From peterwmurray@gmail.com Thu Jan 29 11:59:07 2009 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:59:07 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: Looks like oversight on their part - radio-info.com has been renewed to 2014 now. -Peter On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > Radio-Info was working OK early this morning, but it is now sending the > expired domain name message here too. From peterwmurray@gmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:20:24 2009 From: peterwmurray@gmail.com (Peter Murray) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:20:24 -0500 Subject: Larry DiMentri now at WPRI In-Reply-To: <587095.50681.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <587095.50681.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think you're mixing Larry Mendte and Vince DeMentri, though they both have issues! -Peter On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > This was in Broadcast & Cable today: > > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/Station_to_Station/10811-DeMentri_Surfaces_in_Providence.php > > DeMentri was at WCAU where he was accused of harrasing and stalking his co-anchor (whom he was supposedly involved with at one point) and fighting with the weatherman. > > > > From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 29 13:24:09 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:24:09 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD17F562E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>radio-info.com has been renewed to 2014 now.<< As of now (1:23 PM ET) the main site is up, but the message boards are still invisible. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 29 13:46:25 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:46:25 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? Message-ID: <20090129184629.899B283A3F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> May take awhile for nameservers, etc. to be updated. I think they decided to let the .net domain expire but renewed the .com, .org, etc And yes the main page works but forum pages won't load...yet. From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 18:44:33 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:44:33 -0500 Subject: Fw: Leveille and Dyett to return!! Message-ID: > Also the wording that WBZ "is pleased to announce that the station has > found a way to bring back a couple of WBZ's long-time broadcasters". > Wonder what "has found a way" means? Infomercials perhaps on Sunday > midnight/overnight to help pay for a four night schedule for Steve? > > Paul Currier > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: Leveille and Dyett to return!! > > >> I'm surprised and pleased to hear Shteve has his broadcasht again!?Lovett >> really gets thrown a very small bone, and he's right to be upset about >> the crypt keeper's time slot, but he also doesn't like that the half hour >> won''t be live.?Actually that's the silver lining, IMHO.?But he derserves >> better. >> >> But the phrase that pays?was Peter Casey's reference to upcoming "revenue >> programming"?on Saturday nights. What a poetic way to say >> "informercials."? Revenue programming clings to the walls of my colon >> like spackle or paste. >> >> ---jim schuyler >> > From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Thu Jan 29 19:04:55 2009 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:04:55 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <20090129184629.899B283A3F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090129184629.899B283A3F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49824427.4070001@nycap.rr.com> As of 7 pm I'm still getting a domain expired message for the .com over here. Bob Nelson wrote: > May take awhile for nameservers, etc. to be updated. I think they decided to let the .net > domain expire but renewed the .com, .org, etc And yes the main page works but forum > pages won't load...yet. > > > > > -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 29 19:13:28 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:13:28 -0600 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD17F562E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD17F562E@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901291613u697220b0u612fe5943cf037fc@mail.gmail.com> That's exactly how it was working for me, the main page would load but the boards wouldnt.. as someone else said, just an oversight. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>radio-info.com has been renewed to 2014 now.<< > > As of now (1:23 PM ET) the main site is up, but the message boards are > still invisible. > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 29 19:14:11 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:14:11 -0600 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80901291614h40ccc76obeba6e1eaf4f9e7e@mail.gmail.com> As of 6:15pm Central, I can access the boards again. Paul On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Has anyone else had difficulty accessing radio-info today (Thursday, > 1/29/2009)? Earlier this morning I was able to access only the > versions of the main home page and discussions home page the Google > had cached. That wasn't too helpful as I could not open any posts. A > few hours later, attempts to access www.radio-info.com and > www.radio-info.net bring up only pages that declare that the domain > name has expired. The reason I am inquiring is that I suppose that my > PC might have picked up at radio-info.com a virus that causes this > behavior when I try to access the radio-info site. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Jan 29 19:18:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:18:56 -0600 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770901291618i5e4635acjb9a89d9b69d0597e@mail.gmail.com> I see CBS has unlocked radiosteve.com From gary@garysicecream.com Thu Jan 29 19:33:45 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:33:45 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? In-Reply-To: <1FD5126179634184911DC36D5AB1D0DD@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <200901300032.n0U0W3OZ088786@tsornin.bostonradio.org> It is working fine for me. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hall Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:35 AM To: 'Dan.Strassberg'; 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? Radio-Info was working OK early this morning, but it is now sending the expired domain name message here too. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:29 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? Has anyone else had difficulty accessing radio-info today (Thursday, 1/29/2009)? Earlier this morning I was able to access only the versions of the main home page and discussions home page the Google had cached. That wasn't too helpful as I could not open any posts. A few hours later, attempts to access www.radio-info.com and www.radio-info.net bring up only pages that declare that the domain name has expired. The reason I am inquiring is that I suppose that my PC might have picked up at radio-info.com a virus that causes this behavior when I try to access the radio-info site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 29 20:59:30 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:59:30 -0500 Subject: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? References: <907753F64D294658890C8591FCB53527@SatU205S5044> <8bce0fe80901291614h40ccc76obeba6e1eaf4f9e7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F9C54800B544993BD0C512537A53C9E@SatU205S5044> At 8:35 PM Eastern, I could not access the boards either from the menus on the main home page or by using my saved shortcut AND the Hot Topics menu, which depends on the boards for its content, was empty. Hot Topics is on the main home page at the upper right. The fact that Hot Topics was broken suggests that the boards stopped working again after you posted that they were back. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Radio-info.com and radio-info.net domain names expired? > As of 6:15pm Central, I can access the boards again. > > Paul > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Dan.Strassberg > wrote: > >> Has anyone else had difficulty accessing radio-info today >> (Thursday, >> 1/29/2009)? Earlier this morning I was able to access only the >> versions of the main home page and discussions home page the Google >> had cached. That wasn't too helpful as I could not open any posts. >> A >> few hours later, attempts to access www.radio-info.com and >> www.radio-info.net bring up only pages that declare that the domain >> name has expired. The reason I am inquiring is that I suppose that >> my >> PC might have picked up at radio-info.com a virus that causes this >> behavior when I try to access the radio-info site. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> >> > From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 29 21:53:04 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:53:04 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe Article On Gil Santos' Retirement Message-ID: <31FB8EB1D0E647EEBF17BC9BB66C0789@Mark> Friday (1/30) Gil Santos will deliver his final sports report on WBZ Radio. Nice article on the Boston Globe website about Gil: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/29/longtime_boston_wbz_sportscaster_santos_retires_1233265138/ Here's to a happy & health retirement for Gil Santos. Mark Watson From francini@mac.com Thu Jan 29 21:59:58 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:59:58 -0500 Subject: Boston Globe Article On Gil Santos' Retirement In-Reply-To: <31FB8EB1D0E647EEBF17BC9BB66C0789@Mark> References: <31FB8EB1D0E647EEBF17BC9BB66C0789@Mark> Message-ID: <580A0710-B11F-4BA8-8420-7D35C4BAABBC@mac.com> Time to bring back Tom Cuddy perhaps? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2009, at 21:53, Mark Watson wrote: > Friday (1/30) Gil Santos will deliver his final sports report on WBZ > Radio. Nice article on the Boston Globe website about Gil: > > http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/29/longtime_boston_wbz_sportscaster_santos_retires_1233265138/ > > Here's to a happy & health retirement for Gil Santos. > > Mark Watson > From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Jan 30 01:10:43 2009 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:10:43 -0500 Subject: radio info Message-ID: Radio Info back to normal after midnight From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 30 10:04:31 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:04:31 -0500 Subject: radio info References: Message-ID: <32086BDD2E724A3F9975739EDA696D09@SatU205S5044> Thanks, Chris. Seems to be functioning normally as of 10:00AM EST, Friday 1/30/09. Maybe they've really fixed the problem now. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris2526" To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:10 AM Subject: radio info > Radio Info back to normal after midnight From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 11:52:02 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:52:02 -0500 Subject: Boston TV interest group? Message-ID: <35265908EA2444BCBC5EDD7C5E0FD421@MainXPPro> Found this on a web board.....looks like it's the local TV verson of this list.... (might be good to pass along to anyone you know who works in local tv.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Feel free to join the email discussion list about Boston TV News! Boston TV News on Yahoogroups! Just send a blank email to: BTVN-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (You might have to respond to a confirmation email.) From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Jan 30 11:55:03 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:55:03 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] New (Caribbean?) Pirate On 96.5? Message-ID: <498330E7.80605@Gmail.com> There appears to be a new pirate station on 96.5: Sounds like rapid Caribbean dance (almost like "English Salsa")...perhaps a tape loop? At first I thought it might be a new translator or LPFM, but that doesn't seem to be the case (closest one listed is Gloucester, which I believe is religious in nature). First noted for sure yesterday afternoon (but may have been on for a couple of days before then), signal is semi-weak and spotty up here in Beverly and is also noted, similarly, at South Station, so maybe it is located somewheres in the Lynn-Revere-Chelsea area? Could this be the anticipated "Hot-97.1" pirate, testing(?), with a necessary frequency change? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 30 12:35:05 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:05 -0500 Subject: Donna gives a book talk Message-ID: <20090130173517.03B6F44C238@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> For those who are interested, I'll be doing a presentation on Monday night, 9 February, at the Quincy Public Library (conveniently located on the Red Line!) about my new book and about some of the famous talkers who have made talk radio such an enduring format for more than 80 years (yes, talk shows go back that far-- 1935, to be exact). The presentation is free, to benefit the Friends of the Thomas Crane Library-- a wonderful place to do research, which has the most amazing set of bound volumes of old magazines any researcher could ask for. 8-) Hope to see you there on the 9th, at 7pm. From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Jan 30 14:16:54 2009 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:16:54 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] New (Caribbean?) Pirate On 96.5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Comes in great in Swampscott with an indoor twinlead dipole. The signal peak is about 45 deg [true north]. Since the opposite direction from that for me is only water until the south shore [my location is shown at http://hazecam.net/boston/widemap.html ] it's either down near Quincy [or on Nahant !], or to the NNE of here. None of these include Lynn-Revere-Chelsea. george At 12:00 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote: From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:55:03 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] New (Caribbean?) Pirate On 96.5? There appears to be a new pirate station on 96.5: Sounds like rapid Caribbean dance (almost like "English Salsa")...perhaps a tape loop? At first I thought it might be a new translator or LPFM, but that doesn't seem to be the case (closest one listed is Gloucester, which I believe is religious in nature). First noted for sure yesterday afternoon (but may have been on for a couple of days before then), signal is semi-weak and spotty up here in Beverly and is also noted, similarly, at South Station, so maybe it is located somewheres in the Lynn-Revere-Chelsea area? Could this be the anticipated "Hot-97.1" pirate, testing(?), with a necessary frequency change? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 30 14:27:13 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:27:13 -0500 Subject: Boston TV interest group? In-Reply-To: <35265908EA2444BCBC5EDD7C5E0FD421@MainXPPro> References: <35265908EA2444BCBC5EDD7C5E0FD421@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18819.21649.547134.749262@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Found this on a web board.....looks like it's the local TV verson of this > list.... That presupposes that TV discussion is not welcome here. As you may have noticed, there is a lot of TV talk on this list, and I'm perfectly happy for TV people to join us here. -GAWollman From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Fri Jan 30 15:06:32 2009 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:06:32 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI Message-ID: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Courtesy of this morning's BU Today... http://www.bu.edu/today/node/8228 BU and the WBUR group has finally closed on the sale of WRNI to RI Public Radio. Tony ******************************************** Tony Abruzzese Network Administrator Department of Biochemistry BU School of Medicine v: 617-638-5092 ******************************************** From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 30 15:51:09 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:51:09 -0500 Subject: UNS: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Courtesy of this morning's BU Today... > http://www.bu.edu/today/node/8228 > BU and the WBUR group has finally closed on the sale of WRNI to RI > Public Radio. It actually happened on the 15th. I just saw their studios and the rebuilt 1290 transmitter facility on Wednesday; they did a very nice job with both. Apparently they had to wait for court approval for the transfer, as a result of the law the RI legislature passed back when Jane tried to sell 1290 originally. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 30 15:25:14 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:25:14 -0500 Subject: UNS: BU sells WRNI Message-ID: <20090130202514.CD999BE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "Tony Abruzzese" >Cc: bri >Subject: UNS: BU sells WRNI >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:51:09 -0500 < said: > Courtesy of this morning's BU Today... > http://www.bu.edu/today/node/8228 > BU and the WBUR group has finally closed on the sale of WRNI to > RI Public Radio. >It actually happened on the 15th. I just saw their studios and the >rebuilt 1290 transmitter facility on Wednesday; they did a very nice >job with both. Apparently they had to wait for court approval for the >transfer, as a result of the law the RI legislature passed back when >Jane tried to sell 1290 originally. >-GAWollman The "BU Today" article is followed by a post from either a BU student or graduate who doesn't know the difference between 'it's' and 'its'; there's a lot of that going around these days. Anyway, the anonymous writer is concerned that BU let the station go for considerably less than its apparent appraised value. Just last night (Thursday) during a conversation among those attending the Scott Fybush night-before-going-back-to-NY State repast, the subject of radio station valuations was brought up. The transaction that spurred the subject was the deliverance of a cluster of FM outlets in the Denver market to someone close to the scene for a mere 19-million dollars, less than the value of any single frequency in all likelihood just a year or so earlier. So nobody should be surprised that a 10,000-watt AM station was transferred for a figure below what an earlier WBUR management paid for it. (Let this NOT beconstrued as a criticism of Jane Christo; on two separate occasion, she provided me with unlimited free Sam Adams beer during WBUR open houses. When I'm bought, I stay bought.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 30 16:07:16 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:07:16 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Must have been an interesting trick to add that fourth tower to the WRNI site. It can't be more than 30' from one of the towers that existed at the site before the upgrade. I don't think the towers are self-supporting, so the guy wires for the two towers that are so close together presumably cross each other quite high up. Sounds like quite a geometrical puzzle. Should provide an opportunity for some interesting photos. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Tony Abruzzese" Cc: "bri" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: UNS: BU sells WRNI > < said: > >> Courtesy of this morning's BU Today... >> http://www.bu.edu/today/node/8228 > >> BU and the WBUR group has finally closed on the sale of WRNI to RI >> Public Radio. > > It actually happened on the 15th. I just saw their studios and the > rebuilt 1290 transmitter facility on Wednesday; they did a very nice > job with both. Apparently they had to wait for court approval for > the > transfer, as a result of the law the RI legislature passed back when > Jane tried to sell 1290 originally. > > -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 30 16:44:14 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:44:14 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: <20090130202514.CD999BE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090130202514.CD999BE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18819.29870.514516.578859@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Anyway, the anonymous writer is concerned that BU let the station go > for considerably less than its apparent appraised value. Because the State of Rhode Island would have taxed any sale to a commercial broadcaster to the tune of everything anyone had ever donated to WRNI, plus two years' revenue. Note that the Rhode Island law applies to any potentially-commercial station licensed to a community in Rhode Island and owned by a charitable tax-exempt organization. At the moment, that includes 1290 and 102.7, and may apply to 1220/93.7. It doesn't apply to 95.5, which operates as a fully-commercial station. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Jan 30 16:54:13 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:54:13 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Must have been an interesting trick to add that fourth tower to the > WRNI site. Only one of the original three towers was left standing. (It's the one of the current four that's actually in Providence -- the other three are in North Providence.) If I remember Steve Callahan's explanation correctly, the other two were dropped before the three new ones were built. -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 30 21:15:47 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:15:47 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <154921455B4F481680E49A84C5DD11E1@SatU205S5044> It makes sense that towers 1 and 2, which are common to the the new day and night arrays, would be originals but that both of the separate (northwest) tower 3s, which can't be more than a few feet apart, would be new. One of the tower 3s is used by day; the other is used by night. I'm pretty sure that one of the tower 3s is in the same location as the old tower 3, which was used day and night, and that towers 1 and 2 are in the same locations as the original towers 1 and 2. Both of these were and are used day and night. However, it may have been necessary to replace one of these two towers either because it was in need of repair or because it was necessary to anchor the guy wires in different locations to make room for the second tower 3. If there was a conflict with guy anchor points, the affected tower would have been the center tower, which is tower 1 both day and night. In that case, the southeast tower (tower 2) would be the one that was left standing. I believe that it was the new day pattern that required the relocated tower 3. It's bit surprising that a suitable 10-kW day pattern could not have been designed with tower 3 in its oroginal location because the new daytime-only tower 3 is so close to the nighttime tower 3. However, 1290 in Hartford is not very far away and probably made the pattern design challenging. The proximity to Hartford explains why the increase to 10 kW couldn't do much to improve the daytime signal on the west side of Naragansett Bay. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "bri" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI > < said: > >> Must have been an interesting trick to add that fourth tower to the >> WRNI site. > > Only one of the original three towers was left standing. (It's the > one of the current four that's actually in Providence -- the other > three are in North Providence.) If I remember Steve Callahan's > explanation correctly, the other two were dropped before the three > new > ones were built. > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Jan 30 19:31:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:31:46 -0600 Subject: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770901301631v4b2eb384g1ed48352e122470e@mail.gmail.com> What was the purpose of the 4th tower? When 1290 was allowed to go to 10KW it dramatically improved the old WICE signal into Woonsocket and Cumberland and more importantly put a decent signal into Newport. However the signal was still very weak in the West Bay big money towns south of Warwick. Has this been addressed? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 01:35:56 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:35:56 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3C53C2CB859B46EC8524779A9242F989@MainXPPro> Any pictures of the new plant at WRNI online anywhere? From keith.fornal@cox.net Sat Jan 31 00:13:15 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:13:15 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770901301631v4b2eb384g1ed48352e122470e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770901301631v4b2eb384g1ed48352e122470e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: WRNI-FM 102.7 Narragansett Pier serves Southern RI as well as WXNI 1230 Westerly. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:32 PM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Dan.Strassberg; bri Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI What was the purpose of the 4th tower? When 1290 was allowed to go to 10KW it dramatically improved the old WICE signal into Woonsocket and Cumberland and more importantly put a decent signal into Newport. However the signal was still very weak in the West Bay big money towns south of Warwick. Has this been addressed? From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Jan 31 09:30:00 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:30:00 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI In-Reply-To: <3C53C2CB859B46EC8524779A9242F989@MainXPPro> References: <49835DC8.5030402@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <18819.26685.746717.559972@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <18819.30469.531984.396169@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3C53C2CB859B46EC8524779A9242F989@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18820.24680.63141.213444@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Any pictures of the new plant at WRNI online anywhere? Give me a few days at least! I've only just seen it myself. -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 31 09:41:11 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:41:11 -0500 Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts Message-ID: Earlier this week, Greater Media laid off 11 people from it's Boston operations. WROR lost 2 on-air personalities: Julie Devereaux (nights) and Albert O. (overnights), and WBOS PD Dana Marshall was let go. The other employees released were sales and off air personnel. Brief article in the Boston Herald: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1148710 Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 31 09:55:07 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV Video Of Gil Santos' Retirement Message-ID: On the WBZ-TV website: video of WBZ Radio's Gil Santos on his final morning on the air. There are 3 clips, first is WBZ's Carl Stevens with a poem about Gil, then Gil appearing on the TV morning news to reflect on his years in Boston, and last is Bill Shields reporting on the last sportscast and Gil and family walking down the hall for the final time. http://wbztv.com/local/gil.santos.retires.2.921807.html Mark Watson From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 10:27:24 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston TV interest group? In-Reply-To: <18819.21649.547134.749262@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <753290.4652.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wonder WHY anyone would ever presuppose that TV folks are not welcome to use this board. In the 15 years of using the BRI, I've never seen anyone not given a chance to speak their mind on issues of radio OR TV importance. This is probably one of the most open broadcast discussion boards on the web, bar none. You can bet once the Analog Sunset for television occurs (when ever that happens!), you will see some SPIRITED discussion on DTV in terms of new programming, coverage areas and whatnot.... RIGHT HERE. Speaking as a longtime visitor to these pages, I'm sure B-R-I will always welcome the "video set". 73! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > From: Garrett Wollman > Subject: Boston TV interest group? > To: "Don A" > Cc: "BRI+" > Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 2:27 PM > < A" said: > > > Found this on a web board.....looks like it's the > local TV verson of this > > list.... > > That presupposes that TV discussion is not welcome here. > As you may > have noticed, there is a lot of TV talk on this list, and > I'm > perfectly happy for TV people to join us here. > > -GAWollman From lspin@comcast.net Sat Jan 31 10:34:11 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:34:11 -0500 Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401c983b9$5de5f5f0$19b1e1d0$@net> So does that leave WROR with Loren & Wally as the only regularly staffed shift? It appears that 105.7 is in pretty-much the same state as prior to the WVBF/WROR change. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:41 AM To: Boston Radio Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts Earlier this week, Greater Media laid off 11 people from it's Boston operations. WROR lost 2 on-air personalities: Julie Devereaux (nights) and Albert O. (overnights), and WBOS PD Dana Marshall was let go. The other employees released were sales and off air personnel. Brief article in the Boston Herald: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1148710 Mark Watson From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 31 10:38:32 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:38:32 -0500 Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:41 AM -0500 1/31/09, Mark Watson wrote: > Earlier this week, Greater Media laid off 11 people from it's >Boston operations. WROR lost 2 on-air personalities: Julie Devereaux >(nights) and Albert O. (overnights), and WBOS PD Dana Marshall was >let go. The other employees released were sales and off air >personnel. Brief article in the Boston Herald: > >http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1148710 > >Mark Watson I wonder if Albert will be heading back to WUMB? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Sat Jan 31 12:10:32 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:10:32 -0500 Subject: Leveille and Dyett to return!! References: <4fc429770901291618i5e4635acjb9a89d9b69d0597e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But the BZ website was still touting Grayson as of this morning. Anyone have a guess what or how many days Steve will be on the air? And what will be on Sunday Midnight/overnight? Paul C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "pbencurrier" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Leveille and Dyett to return!! >I see CBS has unlocked radiosteve.com > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 11:35:39 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:35:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Yet ANOTHER Brockton pirate!@#$* (BURRRRRR.....) Message-ID: <583012.13838.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I noticed this week yet ANOTHER Brockton Haitian FM boot has sprung up on the east side of the city. Geez, man!!*&@! This time, it is on 104.3, first adjacent to WBCN/104.1 and WXLO/104.5. As usual, it is overmodulated and has a very unstable stereo signal. I'm sure CBS would love to see this happening to their signal from Boston. This recent spate of pirate activity astounds truly me. The pirates of the 1980's (much as they were illegal) at least took an effort to make sure that no other stations would be interfered with. They all seemed to had some technical sense of putting a quality Stereo signal on the air without ruining another station's signal. Today, however, these "Johnny-come-lately" boots simply pick any spot at random on the dial (even first adjacents to a local signal) and splatter the living daylights out of them. On top it, another DX spot is ruined. This is a joke. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 31 13:07:18 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:07:18 -0500 Subject: Yet ANOTHER Brockton pirate!@#$* (BURRRRRR.....) Message-ID: <20090131180718.1F1E9CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> It was said there was a pirate on 96.5 in the Lynn area; just now I drove through Saugus and there was a dead air signal there (unmodulated carrier) though a pirate did come through on 89.3 (foreign) >>at least took an effort to make sure that no other stations would be interfered with. >>On top it, another DX spot is ruined. This is a joke. Also some choose frequencies, like the aforemention 89.3 in my area, that one could use for narrowcasting satellite radio or an mp3 player in their own car (legally). Though when I turned on my XM (to hear an old American Top 40 countdown on Ch 7) at 89.3 there was no problems, despite the pirate--though the pirate was a bit further away. Of course I paid extra for an improved antenna; in some cases it might screw up the satellite radio recep on that given freq... Meanwhile a couple people on radio boards are applauding pirate radio stations like Touch 106.1. Yes, they may be providing music not available elsewhere. But they are illegal! (And as has been said before, imagine if ANOTHER pirate went on that same freq or an adjacent one, how the fans of the first pirate would scream bloody murder!) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 31 13:42:13 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:42:13 -0500 Subject: Yet ANOTHER Brockton pirate!@#$* (BURRRRRR.....) In-Reply-To: <20090131180718.1F1E9CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090131180718.1F1E9CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <004a01c983d3$a2655da0$e73018e0$@com> > Meanwhile a couple people on radio boards are applauding pirate radio > stations like Touch 106.1. Yes, they may be providing music not > available elsewhere. But they are illegal! (And as has been said > before, imagine if ANOTHER pirate went on that same freq or an > adjacent one, how the fans of the first pirate would scream > bloody murder!) > Or commit murder. One doesn't mess with a hip hop station (not necessarily Touch 106.1) From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 31 14:49:38 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:49:38 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI - images Message-ID: <380-220091631194938437@ix.netcom.com> Just posted GooGle Earth & Virtual Eqarth images on my home page http://home.netcom.com/~madprof/rad_WRNI.html > [Original Message] > From: Don A > To: Garrett Wollman ; Dan.Strassberg > Cc: bri > Date: 1/31/2009 1:36:01 AM > Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI > > Any pictures of the new plant at WRNI online anywhere? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 31 15:14:43 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:14:43 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI - images References: <380-220091631194938437@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <136CF451725B41648AE19641CBCE9AA2@SatU205S5044> The photo of the entire four-tower array (or to be technically correct, the two three tower arrays) is fascinating because it appears to be at variance with the data in CDBS as viewed using Bob Carpenter's AMSTNS software. I'm sure there is an explanation. Even without the fourth tower, which was added when power was increased to 10 kW-U, WRNI was unusual, though not unique, in having an array whose geographic reference point was not a tower, but rather a point NEAR a tower. In other words, neither the day nor the night array is truly an in-line configuration, but the night array is the closer of the two to being in-line. The reference point is 10 degrees from the #2 tower at an azimuth of 30 degrees. 30 degrees is perpendicular to the line that joins tower 1 (the southeast tower) with the night array's tower 3 (the more northerly of the two towers that stand close together). You sure would never guess that from looking at the photo! Because the towers are not quite in line, the night pattern, which, at a casual glance, appears to be symmetrical, is ever so slightly asymmetrical, presumably to provide a little more protection for the very old 1290 station in VT. The day array which uses the more southerly of the tower 3s, is clearly not an in-line configuration, as you can easily see in the photo and in the polar plot of the day pattern. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI - images > Just posted GooGle Earth & Virtual Eqarth > images on my home page > > http://home.netcom.com/~madprof/rad_WRNI.html > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Don A >> To: Garrett Wollman ; Dan.Strassberg > >> Cc: bri >> Date: 1/31/2009 1:36:01 AM >> Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI >> >> Any pictures of the new plant at WRNI online anywhere? From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Jan 31 20:44:34 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:44:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts Message-ID: <22383917.1233452674090.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Larry Weil" > > I wonder if Albert will be heading back to WUMB? Albert never left WUMB, although he and George Knight were both temporary fill-ins for morning drive until Jay Moberg was awarded the job. Albert has been hosting their Sunday morning "Acoustic Sunrise" show (8 AM-12 noon) for well over a month now. What I wonder is, what happened to regular host Bob Cannon, who created that show over 20 years ago? He's still listed as the host on their website, but they sometimes take a while to post changes. EP From markwats@comcast.net Sat Jan 31 20:56:11 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:56:11 -0500 Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts References: <002401c983b9$5de5f5f0$19b1e1d0$@net> Message-ID: Lou wrote: > So does that leave WROR with Loren & Wally as the only regularly staffed > shift? It appears that 105.7 is in pretty-much the same state as prior > to > the WVBF/WROR change. When they moved Julie Devereaux from middays to nights they left the midday spot unhosted. I haven't listened during the 7 to Midnight timeframe the last couple of nights to determine if there was a live air shift, but my understanding is the overnights are definitely not staffed. This morning I believe it was JC Haze in the 10 o'clock hour hosting their weekly "Top 40 Countdown" feature, which today was the top 40 Tom Doyle "Townie Tunes" (parody songs). BTW I have heard JC Haze doing some PM drive shifts since Paul Perry's departure. Mark Watson From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 31 21:41:39 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:41:39 -0500 Subject: BU sells WRNI - images Message-ID: <380-2200920124139468@ix.netcom.com> Dan - for comparison, I ran it in Neil Adams' FCC Database Reader - AM Viewer which plots approximately same as images. (Except that twr#2 mark is not exactly matched day vs night, silly) I greatly enjoyed your analysis! Bob > [Original Message] > From: Dan.Strassberg > To: Robert F. Sutherland ; > Cc: Bob Carpenter > Date: 1/31/2009 3:14:47 PM > Subject: Re: BU sells WRNI - images > > variance with the data in CDBS as viewed using Bob Carpenter's AMSTNS software. From driscollkevin@gmail.com Sat Jan 31 12:48:20 2009 From: driscollkevin@gmail.com (Kevin Driscoll) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:48:20 -0500 Subject: Yet ANOTHER Brockton pirate!@#$* (BURRRRRR.....) In-Reply-To: <583012.13838.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <583012.13838.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87a8578e0901310948h52c6c49dmf0383885d2255ac6@mail.gmail.com> This might sound like a facetious question but I'm truly curious to hear your thoughts, BRI. Seeing as pirates / unlicensed broadcasters aren't going anywhere, would it be useful to make a reference website to help them prevent these issues? Has anyone gotten in touch with these stations regarding their technical problems in hopes of correcting them? Best, Kevin (long-time lurker!) On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Peter Q. George wrote: > I noticed this week yet ANOTHER Brockton Haitian FM boot has sprung up on the east side of the city. Geez, man!!*&@! This time, it is on 104.3, first adjacent to WBCN/104.1 and WXLO/104.5. As usual, it is overmodulated and has a very unstable stereo signal. I'm sure CBS would love to see this happening to their signal from Boston. This recent spate of pirate activity astounds truly me. The pirates of the 1980's (much as they were illegal) at least took an effort to make sure that no other stations would be interfered with. They all seemed to had some technical sense of putting a quality Stereo signal on the air without ruining another station's signal. > Today, however, these "Johnny-come-lately" boots simply pick any spot at random on the dial (even first adjacents to a local signal) and splatter the living daylights out of them. On top it, another DX spot is ruined. This is a joke. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > >