From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Feb 1 09:22:42 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:22:42 -0500 Subject: Globe making something of nothing? Message-ID: The Globe today has an article that suggest that the fact that Peter Blute sells ads on his radio show raises ethical questions: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/02/01/ex_congressmans_roles_raise_issues/ To me, the question raised by the article is whether it was written because Blute is a Republican. It is very common for hosts in smaller markets to also sell ad. It is very common for radio stations to feature advertisers as guests. Would the local home show be promoted on a talk show if the show did not also buy ads? From markwats@comcast.net Sun Feb 1 11:20:56 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:20:56 -0500 Subject: Globe making something of nothing? References: Message-ID: <3C05C0CFD9144FB9AF53E14DFC29F0BC@Mark> Dan Billings wrote: > The Globe today has an article that suggest that the fact that Peter Blute > sells ads on his radio show raises ethical questions: And from Friday's Boston Herald: Blute voiced spots airing on WCRN for Massport to promote Worcester Regional Airport. Blute once worked for Massport, but was fired in 1999 after the Herald caught him enjoying a taxpayer funded "booze cruise" boating trip in Boston Harbor. The article mentions that Massport has no problem with Blute voicing the ads: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_01_30_Peter_Blute__Massport_clear_air:_Ex-congressman_promoting_Worcester_airport_on_radio_show/ Mark Watson From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sun Feb 1 14:00:34 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:00:34 -0500 Subject: Greater Media Boston Cuts In-Reply-To: References: <002401c983b9$5de5f5f0$19b1e1d0$@net> Message-ID: <294B005C1FBD4A779C7B09C8BFA39C6D@vpr1> When I catch the PM Drive, I hear no jocks (as of last week anyway), so I tune 105.7 off. SS -----Original Message----- From: Mark Watson [mailto:markwats@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:56 PM To: Lou; 'Boston Radio' Subject: Re: Greater Media Boston Cuts Lou wrote: > So does that leave WROR with Loren & Wally as the only regularly > staffed shift? It appears that 105.7 is in pretty-much the same > state as prior to the WVBF/WROR change. When they moved Julie Devereaux from middays to nights they left the midday spot unhosted. I haven't listened during the 7 to Midnight timeframe the last couple of nights to determine if there was a live air shift, but my understanding is the overnights are definitely not staffed. This morning I believe it was JC Haze in the 10 o'clock hour hosting their weekly "Top 40 Countdown" feature, which today was the top 40 Tom Doyle "Townie Tunes" (parody songs). BTW I have heard JC Haze doing some PM drive shifts since Paul Perry's departure. Mark Watson No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: 1/31/2009 8:03 PM From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 06:21:30 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: This TV Message-ID: <642816.13892.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This TV was on WHDH's 7.2 subchannel, at least as of 9:45 last night. They were running movies last night ("Easy Money" with Rodney Dangerfield was one of them) and "Patty Duke" and "Mr. Ed" are scheduled this morning. My understanding is that This TV doesn't show infomercials, at least not now. From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 3 08:29:32 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:29:32 -0500 Subject: This TV In-Reply-To: <642816.13892.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <642816.13892.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498846BC.9050806@gmail.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > This TV was on WHDH's 7.2 subchannel, at least as of 9:45 last night. They were running movies last night ("Easy Money" with Rodney Dangerfield was one of them) and "Patty Duke" and "Mr. Ed" are scheduled this morning. My understanding is that This TV doesn't show infomercials, at least not now. > You just got me thinking.... One of the few reasons we have Dish Network (no cable access) is TV Land, Turner Classic Movies, etc. We are almost entirely network TV free since it's so pathetic in terms of programming but for local news and weather. Are we, hopefully, to see a spawning of "point 2" networks popping up that replicate that type of heritage programming, classic tv, etc.? I would gladly drop Dish if that were to become the norm. I am sure I am not alone. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 3 10:36:41 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:36:41 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast Message-ID: <004d01c98615$368ac8b0$a3a05a10$@com> Anyone know what's happening with the weather channel on Comcast? I live in Salem, MA and the Wx channel has been heavily promoting the channel in HD. When you go to channel 845, the channel listed with the WX channel in HD, you get the wimpy WeatherScan. Although its in the HD block, it appears to be 480i as it upsets the scaler in my A/V receiver. If I watch it on the HD set with the cable box that is not routed through an A/V receiver, it comes in OK. The 800 block of the local Comcast is their HD section. It seems a waste of channel allocation to put Weatherscan there. Is this a programming error or are we not supposed to get the Weather Channel in HD? Brian Vita From kenwvt@gmail.com Tue Feb 3 11:01:12 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:01:12 +0000 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <004d01c98615$368ac8b0$a3a05a10$@com> Message-ID: <0016361e87f0c5f19c046205c7a6@google.com> Brian, This weatherscan channel is just a Standard Definiton channel positioned in the HD 800 block, it has been this way for quite awhile now. I would assume that as soon as comcast moves extended basic in our area off of analog that we will get the real HD weather channel. I can't wait for the extended basics on analog to go away, especially now that they will be providing DTAs for two analog sets. -Ken On Feb 3, 2009 10:36am, Brian Vita wrote: > Anyone know what's happening with the weather channel on Comcast? I live in > > Salem, MA and the Wx channel has been heavily promoting the channel in HD. > > When you go to channel 845, the channel listed with the WX channel in HD, > > you get the wimpy WeatherScan. Although its in the HD block, it appears to > > be 480i as it upsets the scaler in my A/V receiver. If I watch it on the HD > > set with the cable box that is not routed through an A/V receiver, it comes > > in OK. > > > > > > > > The 800 block of the local Comcast is their HD section. It seems a waste of > > channel allocation to put Weatherscan there. Is this a programming error or > > are we not supposed to get the Weather Channel in HD? > > > > > > > > Brian Vita > > > From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Feb 3 11:31:31 2009 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:31:31 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:01:12 GMT." <0016361e87f0c5f19c046205c7a6@google.com> Message-ID: <200902031631.n13GVV8K001140@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> >This weatherscan channel is just a Standard Definiton channel positioned in >the HD 800 block, it has been this way for quite awhile now. I would assume >that as soon as comcast moves extended basic in our area off of analog that >we will get the real HD weather channel. [...] Thing is, The Weather Channel HD (at least on RCN, which is how I receive it) doesn't show the local weather during "Local on the 8s", but rather a nationwide overview of the weather. Looks pretty in HD, but it's not very useful, at least not in my opinion. I find myself using the standard def Weather Channel more often, to get the local forecast info I'm looking for. WeatherScan is a TWC offering specific to Comcast. When I used to use Comcast, I found WeatherScan more useful than the regular Weather Channel, but your mileage may vary. -shawn From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 3 12:24:47 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:24:47 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <200902031631.n13GVV8K001140@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:01:12 GMT." <0016361e87f0c5f19c046205c7a6@google.com> <200902031631.n13GVV8K001140@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000301c98624$507f6280$f17e2780$@com> I don't think that the two (Weather Channel and Weather Scan) are mutually exclusive. They both have specific uses. My point is that they're saying that they have the Weather Channel in HD when they're simply reassigning WeatherScam. I'd be happy with both. I've also noticed that in Salem, MA I'm often getting weather forecasts for Manchester NH instead of from the Bedford system which is likely to be more accurate for me. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com > > WeatherScan is a TWC offering specific to Comcast. When I used to use > Comcast, I found WeatherScan more useful than the regular Weather > Channel, > but your mileage may vary. > > -shawn From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Feb 3 13:08:57 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:08:57 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <000301c98624$507f6280$f17e2780$@com> Message-ID: > I don't think that the two (Weather Channel and Weather Scan) are mutually > exclusive. They both have specific uses. My point is that they're saying > that they have the Weather Channel in HD when they're simply reassigning > WeatherScam. I'd be happy with both. I don't think Comcast is saying that they're carrying the channel in HD though. The Weather Channel itself will advertise the fact that they're broadcasting in HD, but that doesn't mean that each provider is going to carry it. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Feb 3 10:50:51 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:50:51 -0500 Subject: This TV References: <642816.13892.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <113CA52B39D64623BCEE40EFB57A2783@DougDrown> I should think This TV and My TV could be quite easily confused. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: This TV > This TV was on WHDH's 7.2 subchannel, at least as of 9:45 last night. They > were running movies last night ("Easy Money" with Rodney Dangerfield was > one of them) and "Patty Duke" and "Mr. Ed" are scheduled this morning. My > understanding is that This TV doesn't show infomercials, at least not now. > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 3 16:24:14 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:24:14 -0500 Subject: This TV Message-ID: <20090203212415.01F6FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maureen Carney" >To: "Boston Radio Group" >Subject: This TV >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) >This TV was on WHDH's 7.2 subchannel, at least as of 9:45 last >night. They were running movies last night ("Easy Money" with >Rodney Dangerfield was one of them) and "Patty Duke" and "Mr. Ed" >are scheduled this morning. My understanding is that This TV >doesn't show infomercials, at least not now. I've observed it too, and it's up and running Tuesday afternoon. Yes, it doesn't appear that infomercials are being aired, but there ARE advertisements. Since the MGM Lion is behind the company, maybe they'll have more class than to run those long-form paid ads, at least for now. Speaking of infomercials, Boston's most unnecessary TV station, WMFP-TV 62/WMFP-DT 18 seems to have boosted its power on channel 18. When I installed by DTV-to-analog converter on my kitchen tabletop tv, there was no signal from that outlet at all, but today (Tuesday) it came in about as well as the big boys (WBZ-DT; WCVD-DT; WHDH-DT; WGBH-DT and WGBX-DT) Nothing yet from WFXT-DT or WLVI-DT. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 4 07:38:59 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:38:59 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <001636283960310842046216a05d@google.com> Message-ID: <3022922F6FB547A58F2DA469A9F54BC7@DHPP0DB1> > comcast will carry the Weather Channel in HD as soon as they get all the extended basic channels off of analog (like they already > have in Boston). That may be true, but I don't think Comcast has any plans to do this right now. From what I understand, the extended basic channels in Boston were always scrambled, so you've always needed a cable box to receive them. In most towns, these channels have not been scrambled, so they could be picked up with any cable ready TV. Since analog cable boxes are pretty much a thing of the past, Boston was able to get away with this, from what I've heard. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 07:44:43 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:44:43 +0000 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <3022922F6FB547A58F2DA469A9F54BC7@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <0016361e86aee4de410462172626@google.com> Comcast plans to have most of the country off of extended basic on analog this year. Right now they are rolling this out in Seattle and other areas out west. Comcast has ordered millions of DTAs (digital tuning adapters) which are very cheap cable boxes and are giving 2 free to analog tv owners. Read this article: http://www.mercurynews.com/tv/ci_11620152 -Ken On Feb 4, 2009 7:38am, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > comcast will carry the Weather Channel in HD as soon as they get all the > > extended basic channels off of analog (like they already > have in Boston). > > > > > > That may be true, but I don't think Comcast has any plans to do this right > > now. From what I understand, the extended basic channels in Boston were > > always scrambled, so you've always needed a cable box to receive them. In > > most towns, these channels have not been scrambled, so they could be picked > > up with any cable ready TV. Since analog cable boxes are pretty much a thing > > of the past, Boston was able to get away with this, from what I've heard. > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > Hanson, MA > > > From kenwvt@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 07:07:03 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:07:03 +0000 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001636283960310842046216a05d@google.com> comcast will carry the Weather Channel in HD as soon as they get all the extended basic channels off of analog (like they already have in Boston). -Ken On Feb 3, 2009 1:08pm, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > I don't think that the two (Weather Channel and Weather Scan) are mutually > > > exclusive. They both have specific uses. My point is that they're saying > > > that they have the Weather Channel in HD when they're simply reassigning > > > WeatherScam. I'd be happy with both. > > > > I don't think Comcast is saying that they're carrying the channel in HD > > though. The Weather Channel itself will advertise the fact that they're > > broadcasting in HD, but that doesn't mean that each provider is going to > > carry it. > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > Hanson, MA > > > From bostonradio@wdoa.com Wed Feb 4 14:05:05 2009 From: bostonradio@wdoa.com (Mike Malone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: Worcester City Councilor takes aim at pirate Message-ID: <3b087e30902041105xef00836u4d40c44d4ed73297@mail.gmail.com> Seems like unlicensed broadcaster "Flava 105.5" is getting some probably unwanted attention. Worcester city councilor Rick Rushton is quoted at last nights city council meeting as saying... "Apparently, there is a pirate radio station being operated here in Worcester. It is called 105.5 the flava?they're using it as a vehicle to promote after hours parties." "Starts out as small parties?[then] at 4am?someone ends up dead." http://worcesteria.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/city-council-liveblog-2309/#more-1757 -Mike From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:47:33 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:47:33 -0500 Subject: Worcester City Councilor takes aim at pirate In-Reply-To: <3b087e30902041105xef00836u4d40c44d4ed73297@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b087e30902041105xef00836u4d40c44d4ed73297@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4989F0D5.6010906@gmail.com> Mike Malone wrote: > "Starts out as small parties?[then] at 4am?someone ends up dead." > Sounds like any radio studio I've worked in. What's the big deal? Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:53:03 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:53:03 -0500 Subject: Worcester City Councilor takes aim at pirate In-Reply-To: <4989F0D5.6010906@gmail.com> References: <3b087e30902041105xef00836u4d40c44d4ed73297@mail.gmail.com> <4989F0D5.6010906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902041153x153a003eq117fbd9c27b684e2@mail.gmail.com> Right next to WROR; wonder if there will be a complaint. Here's a complaint WCRB received in 2007 by a listener in Dorchester whose recep of 99.5 was already not the best--and not at all when a pirate set up shop at 99.7. http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/2007/02/wcrb_pirate_rad.html WCRB told the listener that the 99.7 was unlicensed and they were going to the FCC about it. Same distance, right on the adjacent channel as Flava/WROR. Flava does have a website up, etc. From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 4 16:09:55 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (scott@fybush.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:09:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: DTV delay passes Message-ID: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Watching the vote in the House right now - the bill to delay the analog shutoff to June now has enough votes to pass. (Not that it will matter to viewers in Burlington, or Fox viewers in Boston, or PBS viewers in Maine or CT or RI, or...) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 4 16:29:22 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:29:22 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Message-ID: <310A46124E7F4CE689B5197FDFDCFF8D@SatU205S5044> I wonder, on February 18, what percentage of the "they told me I wouldn't have to worry about getting a converter box until June" people will find themselves without usable TVs (or with TVs that can't receive the stations they want to watch over the air). IOW, Congress enacted this legislation to mollify a lot of potentially angry viewers. Now, I suspect we'll discover that, although there may be fewer angry viewers than there might have been had Congress done nothing, there will still be more than enough angry people to keep the talk shows busy. OTOH, maybe the Whitehouse will be happy to have provided a distraction for the folks who want to vent their anger about Sen Daschle et al. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: DTV delay passes > Watching the vote in the House right now - the bill to delay the > analog > shutoff to June now has enough votes to pass. (Not that it will > matter to > viewers in Burlington, or Fox viewers in Boston, or PBS viewers in > Maine > or CT or RI, or...) > > s From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 4 17:06:47 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:06:47 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498A1177.8060701@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > So do the cupons still expire? > > Seems they could save a few bucks on postage otherwise. I'm not sure. I think the definitive answer will come in a few days when NTIA and the FCC promulgate new rules based on this legislation. It certainly hasn't made things any LESS confusing. s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 4 17:22:30 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:22:30 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes In-Reply-To: <498A1177.8060701@fybush.com> References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> <498A1177.8060701@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18826.5414.391144.466628@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> So do the cupons still expire? >> >> Seems they could save a few bucks on postage otherwise. > I'm not sure. I think the definitive answer will come in a few days when > NTIA and the FCC promulgate new rules based on this legislation. Yes. The only changes made to the coupon program are to extend the deadline for compliance, and to authorize the Assistant Secretary of Commerce to issue new coupons to replace expired ones. Neither amendment takes effect until Congress authorizes additional spending on the coupon program. The Commission has 30 days from when Obama signs the bill to promulgate new rules for the transition itself. Until they do so, February 17th is still the deadline. Of course, the FCC chairman will do what is expected of him. He has already issued his own (ludicrous mis)statement on the passage of the bill. -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Wed Feb 4 19:17:11 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:17:11 -0500 Subject: WCVB's Dick Albert Retiring Message-ID: <55731E60F72045C193F7A567C3374195@Mark> WCVB Co-chief meteorologist Dick Albert has announced he is retiring on Feb. 26th, after 31 years with Channel 5. Harvey Leonard will drop the "co" from his title and will be the Chief meteorologist after Albert's departure from 5 TV Place in Needham. Story from the WCVB website: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18640398/detail.html Brief article from the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2009/02/04/dick_albert_retiring_from_channel_5/ Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 4 16:31:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:31:01 -0600 Subject: DTV delay passes In-Reply-To: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> So do the cupons still expire? Seems they could save a few bucks on postage otherwise. On 2/4/09, scott@fybush.com wrote: > Watching the vote in the House right now - the bill to delay the analog > shutoff to June now has enough votes to pass. (Not that it will matter to > viewers in Burlington, or Fox viewers in Boston, or PBS viewers in Maine > or CT or RI, or...) > > s > From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 4 21:15:17 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:15:17 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <4fc429770902041331v3911be73sc1ddc223aee56d44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD1A19EEE@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>So do the coupons still expire?<< At the moment that's irrelevant, because there's no money to fund them. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 4 18:48:59 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:48:59 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes In-Reply-To: <310A46124E7F4CE689B5197FDFDCFF8D@SatU205S5044> References: <56797.66.195.169.98.1233781795.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> <310A46124E7F4CE689B5197FDFDCFF8D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81DD1A19EAD@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I wonder, on February 18, what percentage of the "they told me I wouldn't have to worry about getting a converter box until June" people will find themselves without usable TVs (or with TVs that can't receive the stations they want to watch over the air). IOW, Congress enacted this legislation to mollify a lot of potentially angry viewers. Now, I suspect we'll discover that, although there may be fewer angry viewers than there might have been had Congress done nothing, there will still be more than enough angry people to keep the talk shows busy. OTOH, maybe the Whitehouse will be happy to have provided a distraction for the folks who want to vent their anger about Sen Daschle et al.<< There are still going to be people who will be unprepared for the transition, no matter how much time you give them. Much of the information being disseminated is confusing (remember: not to us, but to the average turn-it-on-change-the-channel-adjust-the-volume TV user), and to introduce still more confusion with less than two weeks to go is just stupid. But then, politicians aren't generally known for populating the highest percentiles of intelligent life anyhow. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Feb 4 22:53:05 2009 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:53:05 -0500 Subject: Weather Channel on Comcast In-Reply-To: <3022922F6FB547A58F2DA469A9F54BC7@DHPP0DB1> References: <001636283960310842046216a05d@google.com> <3022922F6FB547A58F2DA469A9F54BC7@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <7FBD46336D4740DD988576FD6AC3F16F@johnster1> In Massachusetts Comcast agreements are town to town, city to city. They have completely different rates, sometimes packages, local channels and programming facilities and all sorts of things that are tied in with them landing contracts in each community. In many towns they even have very low rates for basic service packages for the elderly, poor, schools and hospitals that are just analog channels right off the cable. They can give away boxes all they want but they still need to make deals first with every town and city where they already have commitments. I'm sure they are moving towards it but it will be a long slow process. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lehmann Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:39 AM To: kenwvt@gmail.com; brian_vita@cssinc.com; 'Shawn Mamros'; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: RE: Weather Channel on Comcast > comcast will carry the Weather Channel in HD as soon as they get all > the extended basic channels off of analog (like they already > have in Boston). That may be true, but I don't think Comcast has any plans to do this right now. From what I understand, the extended basic channels in Boston were always scrambled, so you've always needed a cable box to receive them. In most towns, these channels have not been scrambled, so they could be picked up with any cable ready TV. Since analog cable boxes are pretty much a thing of the past, Boston was able to get away with this, from what I've heard. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 5 02:52:23 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 02:52:23 -0500 Subject: DTV delay passes Message-ID: <20090205075223.C749E83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Syndie host Curtis Sliwa talked briefly with someone who was part of an organization (can't remember the name) that collects unneeded coupons (someone didn't need one after all) and re-distrubutes them to those who do, but there still may be expiration dates on them From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 5 06:55:07 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:55:07 -0500 Subject: Progressive talk appears to be gone from WWZN Message-ID: <5746E2A01E9A4C44A9EB395088A25AF6@SatU205S5044> Last night at around 8:10PM, WWZN was carrying Sporting News Radio, so Peter B Collins' absence could NOT be explained by a pre-emption for play-by-play (as had been the case quite frequently in prior weeks). This morning at ~6:35AM, WWZN was again carrying Sporting News Radio. No Jeff Santos. I had predicted that Progressive talk would not last three months on WWZN. If the programming is really gone, as it appears to be, Santos may have lasted a few weeks more than three months (I don't recall when he started), but Collins didn't last that long. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:01:34 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:01:34 -0600 Subject: Progressive talk appears to be gone from WWZN In-Reply-To: <5746E2A01E9A4C44A9EB395088A25AF6@SatU205S5044> References: <5746E2A01E9A4C44A9EB395088A25AF6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902050401y30a6791dkf76465a44d8b6a4@mail.gmail.com> If they're definately gone, its because they couldn't pay their bill.. Davidson isn't terribly forgiving when you owe money. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Last night at around 8:10PM, WWZN was carrying Sporting News Radio, so > Peter B Collins' absence could NOT be explained by a pre-emption for > play-by-play (as had been the case quite frequently in prior weeks). > This morning at ~6:35AM, WWZN was again carrying Sporting News Radio. > No Jeff Santos. > > I had predicted that Progressive talk would not last three months on > WWZN. If the programming is really gone, as it appears to be, Santos > may have lasted a few weeks more than three months (I don't recall > when he started), but Collins didn't last that long. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 11:03:31 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:03:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training Message-ID: <503023.17114.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Another sign of hard times: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1150127&chkEm=1 CSN is going down for a week due to a sponsor committment and already existing agreements with hotels, players, etc. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 12:43:43 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:43:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training References: <503023.17114.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902050929g6b40870dy6102b47e5abdb5de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <931359.56309.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I? was shocked when the Sox started to buy ticket sales spots in Celtics games. Not a lot (a couple around the holidays and just before tickets went on sale) but something that I never comtemplated happening before. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Maureen Carney ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:29:56 PM Subject: Re: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training Wow Sunbeam usually would send a satellite truck and tech crew over from WSVN to keep costs down. BZ used to drive a satellite truck down from Boston and keep it there for 2 weeks. The Red Sox sellout streak most likely will end April 8th which is another indication at how bad things are. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 14:11:57 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:11:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Is Woody Woodland gone from WCAP, or just moved Message-ID: <483165.33263.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The time slot usually on Thursday from 1:00 to 3:00 pm Calling All Collectors With Gary Sohmers is moving to Tuesday from this point forward on WCAP 980AM Lowell. The Tuesday timeslot is/was the home of Tuesday with Woody (Woodland). In announcing the move of Calling All Collectors to Tuesday, there is no mention of what's happening to Woody. John B Derry NH From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 5 12:29:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:29:56 -0600 Subject: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training In-Reply-To: <503023.17114.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <503023.17114.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902050929g6b40870dy6102b47e5abdb5de@mail.gmail.com> Wow Sunbeam usually would send a satellite truck and tech crew over from WSVN to keep costs down. BZ used to drive a satellite truck down from Boston and keep it there for 2 weeks. The Red Sox sellout streak most likely will end April 8th which is another indication at how bad things are. From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Feb 5 17:34:05 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:34:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902050929g6b40870dy6102b47e5abdb5de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <725678.30399.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 2/5/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Red Sox sellout streak most likely will end April 8th > which is > another indication at how bad things are. The economy may be bad, but this is not a sign of Armageddon. Until the past few years, April games always had issues selling out. I went to an April day game 17 or 18 years ago, and there may have been 10,000 people in the park -- this was during vacation week, too, a day or a couple days after Patriot's Day. From neggytive@yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 18:14:50 2009 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:14:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Weather Chan and Comcast Message-ID: <808344.77549.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The FCC prohibits local licensing authorities from dictating what a cable company carries or where the position in the line up. Comcast is only required to have the "must carry"stations and whatever P/E/G access obligations are written into the contract. John Sullivan MRBI Woburn Ex Wakefield CATV Advisory Board From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Feb 5 18:58:57 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:58:57 -0600 Subject: Boston TV stations cutting back on Spring Training In-Reply-To: <931359.56309.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <503023.17114.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902050929g6b40870dy6102b47e5abdb5de@mail.gmail.com> <931359.56309.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902051558t1d1b1897kbbbf6c5b299e3c87@mail.gmail.com> The Red Sox used to kid that their ad budget was $0 I know NESN is having problems moving spots (this started last September) and I would have to think Entercom could really have a hard time this season. Last year they had so many avails open begging for clients to call the sales department. I have tried to run the math of Red Sox radio over 162 games and it loks like a bloodbath for Entercom given how many unsold slots there were last year. In Chicago the White Sox have lost two huge corporate sponsors in Pontiac and Bank of America and I know the Red Sox have delayed by at least a year buying a new video board. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 6 03:29:07 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:29:07 -0500 Subject: Prog talk absence, and Howie counsels a distraught woman Message-ID: <20090206082907.634C383BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> 1) For those wondering about the situation with WWZN's progressive talk, one of the leaders of the movement to bring prog talk back, Robin Bergman, has told the Save Progressive Radio Boston yahoo group that the absence was a negotiation squabble which she hopes will be resolved soon. 2) Howie Carr's paper plays up a phone call he got on air earlier this week (it said "yesterday" but it may have been more like Monday or Tuesday; I heard it) from a woman in Maine who was distraught over the economy. She had attempted suicide last year and was thinking of trying again. Carr tried to convince her suicide was not the answer and told of how his own family was affected by the suicide of his maternal grandfather. Apparently Maine authorities were able to trace the call and help the woman out. Carr also writes about the incident in his own column in the paper today. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_02_06_Distraught_woman_s_cry_for_help_heard_by_Howie_Carr/srvc=home&position=0 From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Feb 6 14:27:29 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:27:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Walt Perkins to anchor WBZ (AM) sportscasts. Message-ID: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Per the Herald: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_02_06_Walt_Perkins_to_become_WBZ_morning_sports_anchor A good choice, IMO. He never really got a break at Channel 5, behind Mike Lynch, Ed Harding and Mike Dowling. Has anyone learned yet whether Gil is returning to Patriots broadcasts? From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 6 15:32:21 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:32:21 -0600 Subject: Walt Perkins to anchor WBZ (AM) sportscasts. In-Reply-To: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902061232q25e191e7i69b2df4e7b5635bd@mail.gmail.com> Gil says he plans to do one more year. Walt is a good guy and also worked at 38 when they had the Bruins. On 2/6/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > Per the Herald: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_02_06_Walt_Perkins_to_become_WBZ_morning_sports_anchor > > A good choice, IMO. He never really got a break at Channel 5, behind Mike > Lynch, Ed Harding and Mike Dowling. > > Has anyone learned yet whether Gil is returning to Patriots broadcasts? > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 6 15:55:01 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:55:01 -0500 Subject: Walt Perkins to anchor WBZ (AM) sportscasts. In-Reply-To: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18828.41893.498804.898544@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_02_06_Walt_Perkins_to_become_WBZ_morning_sports_anchor Oh, good. He actually knows how to do sports on the radio. I've listened to Lobel this week and he's been *terrible*. Pauses and ums everywhere, bad writing, no vocal presence at all. He could get away with that on TV when talking up highlights, but it doesn't work on radio. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Feb 6 17:26:56 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:26:56 -0500 Subject: Walt Perkins to anchor WBZ (AM) sportscasts. In-Reply-To: <18828.41893.498804.898544@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <130076.84884.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <18828.41893.498804.898544@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <498CB930.8030600@ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Oh, good. He actually knows how to do sports on the radio. I've > listened to Lobel this week and he's been *terrible*. Pauses and ums > everywhere, bad writing, no vocal presence at all. He could get away > with that on TV when talking up highlights, but it doesn't work on > radio. > > -GAWollman > One of my friends told me about his soliloquy on a dead robin in a snowbank on his way to work. A slightly odd way to start a sports cast, I think. From markwats@comcast.net Fri Feb 6 17:57:20 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:57:20 -0500 Subject: WCVB Loses "Patriots All Access" To WBZ-TV/WSBK Message-ID: After 14 years on WCVB, the "Patriots All Access" weekly TV show will be moving to WBZ-TV & WSBK, with 'BZ airing the show Friday nights and a Sunday 9AM encore presentation on WSBK, the time slot that is currently occupied by "The Three Stooges". The show airs seasonally from July till just after the last game the Patriots play. Boston Globe article about the switch and how Channel 5 sports anchor Mike Lynch, who's hosted the show during it's entire WCVB run, found out the show was switching stations: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/02/06/all_access_stripped/ Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 6 22:40:15 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 21:40:15 -0600 Subject: WCVB Loses "Patriots All Access" To WBZ-TV/WSBK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770902061940p333c0053t41012d411a5e440a@mail.gmail.com> Not a real surprise given how cozy the Pats are with CBS. WCVB will still get any ESPN game since they are owned by Hearst who owns 20 percent of Bristol Clown College. However 4 will now most likely get any NFL Network game. Lynch was the perfect host as he did play football when at Harvard. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 02:30:32 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 01:30:32 -0600 Subject: Bob Lobel has another new gig... Message-ID: <4fc429770902062330rfe9bb00o9edb844c35b3d227@mail.gmail.com> Lobie is glad he no longer has to do mornings at WBZ but he has landed another short term gig. He will cover spring training for WTPL in New Hampshire. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 13:51:20 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:51:20 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 Message-ID: The Boston Globe reports that WHDH-TV news anchor Randy Price resigned Friday. His last newscast was Wednesday night and in a meeting with station owner Ed Ansin on Thursday was told "we need to move in different directions". Price had a contract with WHDH till 2012. No mention on who will replace Price in the anchor chair at 5, 6 & 11 PM. Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/02/news_anchor_ran.html Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 14:30:16 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:30:16 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770902071130n49a0bef8gd9dc8b1a827adf85@mail.gmail.com> When Ansin says different direction I can't help but thinking turning 7 into a full WSVN clone (blood and guts) may lie ahead. On 2/7/09, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Globe reports that WHDH-TV news anchor Randy Price resigned > Friday. His last newscast was Wednesday night and in a meeting with station > owner Ed Ansin on Thursday was told "we need to move in different > directions". Price had a contract with WHDH till 2012. No mention on who > will replace Price in the anchor chair at 5, 6 & 11 PM. > > Link to the Globe article: > http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/02/news_anchor_ran.html > > Mark Watson > > > > > From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Feb 7 14:47:17 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:47:17 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498DE545.9090004@gabrielmass.com> Does this mean that Price and the station agreed for him to walk away from his contract rather than be bought out of it? At first glance, it seems a risky move during a down economy. Or is there some opportunity he'd like to take? --RC Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Globe reports that WHDH-TV news anchor Randy Price resigned > Friday. His last newscast was Wednesday night and in a meeting with > station owner Ed Ansin on Thursday was told "we need to move in > different directions". Price had a contract with WHDH till 2012. No > mention on who will replace Price in the anchor chair at 5, 6 & 11 PM. > > Link to the Globe article: > http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/02/news_anchor_ran.html > > Mark Watson > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 14:58:15 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:58:15 -0500 Subject: Bob Lobel has another new gig... References: <4fc429770902062330rfe9bb00o9edb844c35b3d227@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin Vahey wrote: > Lobie is glad he no longer has to do mornings at WBZ but he has landed > another short term gig. > He will cover spring training for WTPL in New Hampshire. It rated a mention in the Herald, which says he'll also be co-hosting a daily show from Florida with Jack Heath, formerly of WCVB, WMUR & WNDS: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2009_02_07_Bob_Lobel_rounds_the_radio_bases_from_Hub_to_Granite_State/ Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 15:07:07 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:07:07 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <4fc429770902071130n49a0bef8gd9dc8b1a827adf85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E4E45029E75456B8896C301FE027BF2@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > When Ansin says different direction I can't help but thinking turning > 7 into a full WSVN clone (blood and guts) may lie ahead. I hope not. What may work in Miami may not go over in Boston, IMHO. Their 11PM ratings have tanked of late, that's probably part of what contributed to Randy's departure. While the Globe says he resigned, the Herald claims he was "ousted": http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1150644 Mark Watson From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 14:50:15 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902071130n49a0bef8gd9dc8b1a827adf85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <381076.58512.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 2/7/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > When Ansin says different direction I can't help but > thinking turning > 7 into a full WSVN clone (blood and guts) may lie ahead. But crime isn't as sexy in Boston as it is on Miami Beach. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 16:03:30 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:03:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <381076.58512.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87468.23177.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Or it could just be as simple as one less big salary in a bad economy. Ansin said he wanted a "no stars" policy, and Randy always seemed to be the exception as long as the ratings were good. As for Boston crime, it may not be as sexy as Miami's but I'll bet it's more interesting from a political point of view. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Feb 7 18:24:23 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:24:23 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 Message-ID: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> The Boston.com story said Anson wants a "different direction." Seems to me that he could use a different network than NBC. -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Carney Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:03 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 Or it could just be as simple as one less big salary in a bad economy. Ansin said he wanted a "no stars" policy, and Randy always seemed to be the exception as long as the ratings were good. As for Boston crime, it may not be as sexy as Miami's but I'll bet it's more interesting from a political point of view. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 7 21:17:13 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:17:13 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> May well be a coincidence but 7 started to falter when they absorbed WLVI. WHDH is also weaker in both weather and sports and FOX25 now attracts the younger audience. The 11 might well be retooled by the time Leno moves to 10 and as a leadin for Conan in a few months. Honestly WSVN really stole the format from WPVI in Phily (Action News) and the irony is WNAC had that format first complete with the theme music. It did so well WPVI hired the news director. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 22:18:15 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 19:18:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have7 News at 10 on CW56 on (I usually watch Fox25 but NASCAR is on) and they just had a story on "Randy Price is retiring from 7 News". I was suprised that they would address it at all, but I guess there were just too many questions being asked. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Mark Laurence Cc: Maureen Carney ; ", Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 9:17:13 PM Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 May well be a coincidence but 7 started to falter when they absorbed WLVI. WHDH is also weaker in both weather and sports and FOX25 now attracts the younger audience. The 11 might well be retooled by the time Leno moves to 10 and as a leadin for Conan in a few months. Honestly WSVN really stole the format from WPVI in Phily (Action News) and the irony is WNAC had that format first complete with the theme music. It did so well WPVI hired the news director. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 8 10:43:28 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:43:28 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> Randy wanted no part of what is about to happen at 7 News. It seems obvious now it will be WSVN North. Will it work in Boston? Certainly the format has worked for decades in Philadelphia at WPVI. In the past year WBZ has shown new life. Jack Williams has shown new life as the senior anchor in town and losing Lobel and Joyce has not hurt them. WCVB really has not missed Natalie as much as I would have thought. They still have the strongest army on the street. WFXT has done a remarkable job starting from scratch 12 years ago. I never thought they would become the powerhouse they are today. WHDH has become the TV version of METRO. I am not thrilled by the shift to 'if it bleeds it leads' but it has been confirmed to me. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 11:38:08 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:38:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The one thing I can say I notice about 7 News is, aside from Randy, all their male anchors and reporters look interchangable. I've only seen snippets of WSVN so I can't compare them against WHDH. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 8 11:55:25 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:55:25 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> Ansin is unique in major market TV as he only owns 2 stations and it is the family business and he can call both markets home. Give the man credit as he made 7 a news player for the first time in history. He has never shown excessive love for high priced talent and it is amazing Randy lasted 12 years. I dread what is coming but he has too many WSVN people whispering in his year. If they go the blood and guts route and it works the other stations will follow. On 2/8/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > The one thing I can say I notice about 7 News is, aside from Randy, all > their male anchors and reporters look interchangable. I've only seen > snippets of WSVN so I can't compare them against WHDH. > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 8 12:03:29 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:03:29 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Ansin is unique in major market TV as he only owns 2 stations and it > is the family business and he can call both markets home. Three stations. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 8 12:06:35 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:06:35 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770902080906r7a31ab7eqa2b6d69449fa75ac@mail.gmail.com> Heh So easy to overlook WLVI these days.. On 2/8/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Ansin is unique in major market TV as he only owns 2 stations and it >> is the family business and he can call both markets home. > > Three stations. > > -GAWollman > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 8 12:27:14 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:27:14 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902080906r7a31ab7eqa2b6d69449fa75ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com> <4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com> <342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770902080906r7a31ab7eqa2b6d69449fa75ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498F15F2.5090201@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Heh So easy to overlook WLVI these days.. Especially since they make it so easy. In reviewing the DVDs I recorded on my Boston swing last week (during which I apparently missed recording WHDH itself completely, somehow), I was amazed at how "CW56" essentially ceases to exist for the hour that "7 News at 10" is on. No promotions for any CW56 programming during breaks, at least the night I was taping. Indeed, I'm not sure I even saw a WLVI legal ID, unless it was buried in the break before the 9:00 CW show ended. (I didn't see a legal on WLWC, either.) s From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 8 13:32:46 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:32:46 -0500 Subject: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PM to midnight on WBZ? Message-ID: <05CE9B43B490469B87373CB15B42B516@SatU205S5044> I usually can't stand Jordan but I made an exception when I heard that Donna would be on promoting her new book, "Icons of Talk Radio." It really was an excellent interview and it ran a full hour! Of course, for many interviewers (those who are not overly infatuated with the sound of their own voices), Donna is the dream guest: All a host needs to do is introduce Donna and shut up; she can talk for an hour, or two, or three, and probably even more, without being asked a single question. Fortunately for Jordan, Donna does need to take a breath occasionally, which gave him a chance to get in a few (very few) questions. But Donna really did sound pumped. Good job! I don't know who owns the content, but Donna should try to get Jordan to get her a tape; she could then make it available on her own Web site or could provide a link to to the interview on WBZ's site or Jordan's site--if he has one. I do have one complaint, however. Regardless of how Donna remembers David Brudnoy, he most emphatically was NOT always polite to people whose views differed from his own. I heard him repeatedly excoriate Bill Clinton quite a while before "I did not have sex with that woman--Ms Lewinsky." Now, it's true, Clinton was not a guest when Brudnoy verbally dismembered him, but nobody could say that Brudnoy gave Clinton an even break. I'd say that Brudnoy was about as fair as Stu Taylor, the right wingnut who buys the 8:00 to 9:00AM hour on WBIX. I've heard Taylor on good behavior interviewing former Senator Bill Bradley. But when Bradley is not on the line to defend himself, Taylor can only get in nasty digs when he says anything about any politician who isn't an ultra-right-wing Republican. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 8 13:36:54 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:36:54 -0500 Subject: Correction: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PM to midnight on WBZ? Message-ID: <44242DB12C1C4BB3A4B71E9AE2451939@SatU205S5044> Oops! Yesterday, Saturday, was 2/7, not 2/8. Sorry. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From markwats@comcast.net Sun Feb 8 13:51:10 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:51:10 -0500 Subject: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? References: <05CE9B43B490469B87373CB15B42B516@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <12202508D98549C18D887482E5E755F4@Mark> Dan Stassberg wrote: > for many interviewers (those who are not overly infatuated with the > sound of their own voices), Donna is the dream guest: All a host needs > to do is introduce Donna and shut up; she can talk for an hour, or > two, or three, and probably even more, without being asked a single > question. Another person who I can place in this category: Jim Camilli (J.C. from WLLH 1966-1990). A few years back on a Friday afternoon when Gary Francis hosted what was then "Afternoon Live" on WCAP, co-host Ryan Johnston was off as he had a hockey game to call, I was asked to sit in. A couple of nights before the show, Gary asked if I had any ideas on guests to fill an hour or so on the show. I suggested we contact J.C. as all we needed to do is just introduce him, and he'll keep on talking. Good move, he not only stayed the hour he promised us but the whole 3 hours, with one story after another from the golden days of top 40 radio. Even after the show ended, he kept talking to us for almost an hour, when he realized what time it was he had to leave to grab a quick supper and get to his nightclub gig at Cappy's Copper Kettle (where he still plays vinyl every Friday & Saturday night). Mark Watson From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 15:53:30 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:53:30 -0500 Subject: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? References: <05CE9B43B490469B87373CB15B42B516@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7DD83C06255E4E73B8EE2829B435259E@MainXPPro> > I do have one complaint, however. Regardless of how Donna remembers > David Brudnoy, he most emphatically was NOT always polite to people > whose views differed from his own. I heard him repeatedly excoriate > Bill Clinton quite a while before "I did not have sex with that > woman--Ms Lewinsky." He was polite...tha doesn't mean he was "milque-toast"...and never disagreed with anyone. I think the point was that Brudnoy did not engage in yelling and screaming. When he disagreed he used his deep vocabulary to excoriate his oponent. When he disagreed with you, he usually gave you a thoughtful reply. He also gave his opponent plenty of time to make his case and respond. It is true, he could be harsh, as he had deeply held beliefs. But I am guessing that you are of the liberal persuasion, and didn't appreciate any values different from yours. I am a conservative, yet I can appreciate Rachel Maddow's civil tone and approach. I know Donna has Liberal leanings, yet she could appreciate the civil tone of Mr. Brudnoy, and even the spirited discussions. PS: Clinton did it to himself, and hung himself out there for all of the jokes and criticism. I think you have to look beyond your own personal beliefs to appreciate the effectiveness of a broadcaster. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 15:54:35 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:54:35 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com><4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com><342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com><445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <905057348D1F4C26B189FC7D380D7543@MainXPPro> >> Ansin is unique in major market TV as he only owns 2 stations and it >> is the family business and he can call both markets home. > > Three stations. Two and a half.... ;-) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 8 16:01:23 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:01:23 -0500 Subject: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? Message-ID: <20090208210139.C88BB44C01B@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:51 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: >Dan Stassberg wrote: > >>for many interviewers (those who are not overly infatuated with the >>sound of their own voices), Donna is the dream guest: All a host needs >>to do is introduce Donna and shut up; she can talk for an hour, or >>two, or three, and probably even more, without being asked a single question. Umm, I'm not sure whether I was just complimented or perhaps called an egomaniac who doesn't know when to shut up!!!! :-\ I hope I didn't sound like I talked too much-- it's just there's so much to say on the subject. Hope some of you can join me tomorrow night at the Quincy Public Library-- I have some interesting videos and photos to share... and cookies!!! From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Feb 8 16:01:31 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:01:31 -0500 Subject: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? In-Reply-To: <7DD83C06255E4E73B8EE2829B435259E@MainXPPro> References: <05CE9B43B490469B87373CB15B42B516@SatU205S5044> <7DD83C06255E4E73B8EE2829B435259E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <20090208210147.9D91944C046@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:53 PM 2/8/2009, it was said: >>I do have one complaint, however. Regardless of how Donna remembers >>David Brudnoy, he most emphatically was NOT always polite to people >>whose views differed from his own. I heard him repeatedly excoriate >>Bill Clinton quite a while before "I did not have sex with that >>woman--Ms Lewinsky." I was referring to how he treated his GUESTS. Of course he had strong opinions-- hated "Bubba" and despised Hillary. Yet when Democrats were on his show, or lefties, or whatever, he was courteous to them. From paul@derrynh.net Sun Feb 8 17:22:45 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:22:45 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com><4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com><342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com> <445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c98a3b$c4583b30$0202a8c0@PaulPC> They still have Randy's picture on the big billboard at the old Ch 56 Morrissey Blvd Location that you can see on the X-Way Southbound (as of Sunday 2-8). Also, it might be time to take down the 4-sided "Boston's WB" of the tower piece.... -Paul H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 > The one thing I can say I notice about 7 News is, aside from Randy, all > their male anchors and reporters look interchangable. I've only seen > snippets of WSVN so I can't compare them against WHDH. > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sun Feb 8 17:25:44 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:25:44 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com><4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com><342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com><445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080855v2742bee7lf004f3043979c6c4@mail.gmail.com> <18831.4193.832755.855354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <905057348D1F4C26B189FC7D380D7543@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <004601c98a3c$2eef37f0$0202a8c0@PaulPC> Which would make it appropriate that "Two and a Half Men" is on 56 in reruns... -Paul H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Garrett Wollman" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 > >>> Ansin is unique in major market TV as he only owns 2 stations and it >>> is the family business and he can call both markets home. >> >> Three stations. > > Two and a half.... > > ;-) > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 17:42:27 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:42:27 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <0KEP003MTYC6LH50@asmtp020.mac.com><4fc429770902071817y6af98b5qc959ac47ea6d75cf@mail.gmail.com><342226.50914.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770902080743x5349c1f7xe0d36af2ad725004@mail.gmail.com><445276.97900.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002c01c98a3b$c4583b30$0202a8c0@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4B7C2882C1274DEE8A502DA655906246@MainXPPro> > They still have Randy's picture on the big billboard at the old Ch 56 > Morrissey Blvd Location that you can see on the X-Way Southbound (as of > Sunday 2-8). Well, it's compelling! From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 20:30:00 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. Message-ID: <271671.44168.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm wondering which channels may go ahead with plans to switch to DTV and shut off analog on February 17, in spite of the extension. ? WMUR TV channel 9 Manchester NH has announced that they are waiting until June to do the switchover ? Will some stations switch over after February but before June at their leisure? ? ? John B Derry NH N1QGS From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Feb 8 22:51:30 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:51:30 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <271671.44168.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <271671.44168.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18831.43074.362935.856205@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I'm wondering which channels may go ahead with plans to switch to > DTV and shut off analog on February 17, in spite of the extension. To the best of my knowledge -- and I'm sure Fybush knows better than I do -- here's the current state of things: Analog currently off and will not be restored --------------------------------------------- Boston market: 25 (for all intents and purposes), 46, 50 Providence market: 28, 36 Springfield market: 57 Portland: 10, 26, 35 Bangor: 12 Orono, 13 Calais Presque Isle: 10 Early transition ---------------- Bangor: 7, 12, 13 Binghamton: 12 Boston: 46 (contingent on 10 Providence) Buffalo: 7, 29, 49 Burlington: 3 (with nightlight, contingent on 22 but they have not filed yet), 44 Hartford: 3, 26 (New London) Portland: 10, 13, 26, 35 Presque Isle: 10 Providence: 6, 10, 64 (which implies 12 but they have not filed yet) Rochester: 31 Syracuse: 5, 43, 68 Utica: 2 This is of course subject to change with new filings over the coming week. Stations are supposed to file a "Legal STA" for early transition, but some have done otherwise, or have combined their analog termination filing with another filing. -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Feb 8 23:00:17 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:00:17 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <18831.43074.362935.856205@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: > Analog currently off and will not be restored > --------------------------------------------- > Boston market: 25 (for all intents and purposes), 46, 50 > Providence market: 28, 36 > Springfield market: 57 > Portland: 10, 26, 35 > Bangor: 12 Orono, 13 Calais > Presque Isle: 10 Actually 46 analog is still on, it's their DT (52) that's off. They're waiting for 10 in Providence to sign off so they can go on the air on channel 10. 40 in Springfield and 51 in Portland are also off. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dave@skywaves.net Sun Feb 8 23:03:09 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:03:09 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. References: <271671.44168.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18831.43074.362935.856205@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4C6975AAD5DA4EDFBB1F908989ED5ECF@skywaves.com> An article in the ProJo on Friday indicated that all the local Providence / New Bedford stations will transition as originally planned on Feb 17. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "John Bolduc" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. > > < > said: > >> I'm wondering which channels may go ahead with plans to switch to >> DTV and shut off analog on February 17, in spite of the extension. > > To the best of my knowledge -- and I'm sure Fybush knows better than I > do -- here's the current state of things: > > Analog currently off and will not be restored > --------------------------------------------- > Boston market: 25 (for all intents and purposes), 46, 50 > Providence market: 28, 36 > Springfield market: 57 > Portland: 10, 26, 35 > Bangor: 12 Orono, 13 Calais > Presque Isle: 10 > > Early transition > ---------------- > Bangor: 7, 12, 13 > Binghamton: 12 > Boston: 46 (contingent on 10 Providence) > Buffalo: 7, 29, 49 > Burlington: 3 (with nightlight, contingent on 22 but they have not filed > yet), > 44 > Hartford: 3, 26 (New London) > Portland: 10, 13, 26, 35 > Presque Isle: 10 > Providence: 6, 10, 64 (which implies 12 but they have not filed yet) > Rochester: 31 > Syracuse: 5, 43, 68 > Utica: 2 > > This is of course subject to change with new filings over the coming > week. Stations are supposed to file a "Legal STA" for early > transition, but some have done otherwise, or have combined their > analog termination filing with another filing. > > -GAWollman > > From attychase@comcast.net Mon Feb 9 12:31:57 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:31:57 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. References: Message-ID: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> Can somebody explain to me why the current channel 10 in Providence would want to give up their analog spot to somebody else? Why wouldn't they simply use it for themselves and their DTV? I know there was something about getting an extra channel for the transition but what the heck did they need it for? Why not just add the DTV subcarriers and throw the switch? Is there someplace (web site URL) I can be referred to that has the technical details and the (a logical?) rational behind all this channel jumping etc? > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:00:17 -0500 > From: "Jeff Lehmann" > Subject: RE: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. > To: "'Garrett Wollman'" , "'John Bolduc'" > > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> Analog currently off and will not be restored >> --------------------------------------------- >> Boston market: 25 (for all intents and purposes), 46, 50 >> Providence market: 28, 36 >> Springfield market: 57 >> Portland: 10, 26, 35 >> Bangor: 12 Orono, 13 Calais >> Presque Isle: 10 > > Actually 46 analog is still on, it's their DT (52) that's off. They're > waiting for 10 in Providence to sign off so they can go on the air on > channel 10. > > 40 in Springfield and 51 in Portland are also off. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA From scott@fybush.com Mon Feb 9 14:29:31 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:29:31 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> References: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > Can somebody explain to me why the current channel 10 in Providence > would want to give up their analog spot to somebody else? Why wouldn't > they simply use it for themselves and their DTV? > > I know there was something about getting an extra channel for the > transition but what the heck did they need it for? Why not just add the > DTV subcarriers and throw the switch? > > Is there someplace (web site URL) I can be referred to that has the > technical details and the (a logical?) rational behind all this channel > jumping etc? Here's a very quick summary - it's not as simple as "adding subcarriers," since the DTV signal takes up a full 6 MHz RF channel, just as the analog signal does. So stations can't transmit an analog signal and a digital signal at the same time over the same RF channel - and therefore nearly every TV station in the US was assigned a second RF channel a decade or so ago to use for its digital signal during the transition period. (And yes, it's really been more than a decade since the first DTV signal in Boston signed on, which means the DTV conversion has now lasted for fully one-sixth of the entire history of TV in New England...) The TV spectrum wasn't exactly wide-open in the northeast even before the DTV conversion began, and trying to find room for a second channel for everyone created some very tight short-spacings - there are digital signals on channels 20 (WCVB-DT) and 30 (WBZ-DT) in Boston, co-channel with analog stations on those same channels in Hartford, for instance. Within the last couple of years, stations began to get the chance to decide whether they'd keep their digital signals on those transitional RF channels, or return to their old analog channels for digital operation at the end of the transition. In some cases, stations had little or no choice: because channels 52-69 are being used for purposes other than digital TV after transition, stations couldn't choose to use those frequencies for post-transition DTV. So Boston's WLVI has to stay on DTV 41, since its old channel 56 won't be available. (A handful of stations, like WNAC in Providence, were "dual out-of-core," with both digital and analog operations above channel 51; they had to find yet a third channel to use after transition. In the case of WNAC, it's taking the channel 12 allotment now used in analog by its sister station, WPRI; WPRI-DT will remain on its transitional channel, 13.) For a variety of technical reasons, low-band VHF is considered undesirable for digital TV, so channels 2, 4 and 5 are all keeping their transitional channels (19, 30 and 20) for DTV. High-band VHF (7-13) is considered fairly desirable for DTV, since stations can operate with relatively low power (saving on transmitter power bills) but still enjoy good coverage. Channel 7 in Boston and New Hampshire's 9 and 11 all chose to return to their VHF channels, though 9 and 11 had no choice, since they're on DTV 59 and 57, respectively. Which brings us back to Providence and channel 10. You'd think it would make sense for WJAR to want to move its digital from its transitional channel, 51, back to 10, right? Enter one more catch: the FCC decided that interference protection after the transition would go to the transitional channels, not the original ones. And remember what I was saying about all that short-spacing in the northeast? WTNH, channel 8, in New Haven was assigned DTV channel 10, and has been uneasily coexisting there with analog 10 in Providence for a few years now. WTNH-DT basically *had* to go to 10 after transition to get out of the way of a channel 8 DTV allotment in north Jersey, and since it's WTNH that would get the interference protection, WJAR-DT would have had to use a sharply directional antenna on channel 10, cutting out signal to most of Rhode Island in the process. And so WJAR decided it would be better off staying on channel 51 with its digital signal, where it can put out a nondirectional signal that covers Rhode Island better. In the process, that opened up 10 for eventual digital use by WWDP in Norwell, which is on analog channel 46 and had transitional digital 52. I *think* WWDP could have used 46 for digital, but the low-budget station wanted the cheaper power bills on channel 10. There's one more reason why some stations that could have gone back to VHF are choosing to stay on UHF: because the wavelengths used by UHF are much shorter, the UHF TV frequencies are much more suitable for mobile reception on things like Blackberries and iPhones and whatever comes after them. Some TV stations with an eye to the future believe that the time will come when they're using their over-the-air signal as much to reach mobile devices as to reach home viewers, and they believe (probably correctly) that being on UHF is the better bet for that purpose. Clear as mud now? s From billohno@gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:46:02 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:46:02 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> References: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> Message-ID: <499087FA.1060007@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > and they believe (probably correctly) that being on UHF is the better > bet for that purpose. > > Clear as mud now? Questions - How long will it take before stations will decide to abandon their former channel numbers or will they not need to? It's just a matter of time when the generations who recall "the old analog days" will be, alas, proverbial pigs through the python. Who decides what a new station may use as an alias dial position (or whatever it's called)? Can a digital station on, say 32, call itself "6"? Bill O'Neill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:53:25 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:53:25 -0600 Subject: 3 Boston AMs Get Program Test Authority For New Facilities Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902091153j291de5b9td46b497083c67bbc@mail.gmail.com> Unless I've missed it on the list previously, this is from AllAccess.com: (I haven't seen it on the list yet) CLEAR CHANNEL has been granted Program Test Authority the new transmission facility for the new transmission facility in NEWTON, MA for its Tropical WKOX-A (RUMBA 1200)/BOSTON. The station holds a construction permit to move its towers to the BOSTON suburb, boosting to 50,000 watts, and combine its facility with BEASLEY Ethnic WRCA-A (which is boosting to 25,000 watts days/17,000 watts nights from the new facility) and CHAMPION BROADCASTING SYSTEMS Ethnic WUNR-A (which goes to 20,000 watts full-time). The original applications for the changes were filed in 2002. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From markwats@comcast.net Mon Feb 9 17:34:57 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:34:57 -0500 Subject: WSMN Could Be Returning To It's Original Studio Building Message-ID: <256544250B314099BC34E36F8A925407@Mark> The Nashua Telegraph reports the developer who purchased the WSMN property a few years back with plans to build housing and a medical building on the site has now revised his plans, and has started negotiations with the station's owner about moving the station back into it's original building on West Hollis St. This is all subject to both sides coming to an agreement and city Planning Board approval. The article also mentions that WSMN has apparently found a site to construct a new 3 tower directional array, on land behind a convenience store on West Hollis St. near the Hollis town line, which is approx. a mile and a half west of their former site. Link to the article: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090209/NEWS01/302099910/-1/nashua Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 9 17:39:20 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:39:20 -0500 Subject: 3 Boston AMs Get Program Test Authority For New Facilities In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80902091153j291de5b9td46b497083c67bbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80902091153j291de5b9td46b497083c67bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18832.45208.35588.246961@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Unless I've missed it on the list previously, this is from AllAccess.com: (I > haven't seen it on the list yet) Reminder TO everyone: IF you ARE going TO quote SOME Web SITE (like ALL ACCESS), you ARE still EXPECTED to SAY something MEANINGFUL about WHATEVER it IS you QUOTE, in YOUR own WORDS. Photos of the new facility will be on our site in a few weeks, assuming I get off my duff and finish editing them this weekend. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 9 17:51:38 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:51:38 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <499087FA.1060007@gmail.com> References: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> <499087FA.1060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18832.45946.596071.44110@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Questions - How long will it take before stations will decide to > abandon their former channel numbers or will they not need to? It's not up to them. (Except in the limited sense of how they market themselves.) > Who decides what a new station may use as an alias dial position (or > whatever it's called)? If the RF channel the new station is licensed on is the PSIP channel of an existing station (i.e., the existing station had its former analog service on the new station's channel), then the new station must use the RF channel of the existing station as its PSIP channel. Otherwise, the new station must use its RF channel as its PSIP channel. It's possible that this won't work in a few cases, and there is some sort of process for coordinating the selection of an alternate virtual channel number. -GAWollman From hykker@wildblue.net Mon Feb 9 18:36:16 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:36:16 -0500 Subject: WSMN Could Be Returning To It's Original Studio Building In-Reply-To: <256544250B314099BC34E36F8A925407@Mark> References: <256544250B314099BC34E36F8A925407@Mark> Message-ID: <4990be35.2204be0a.12d3.ffff88d8@mx.google.com> At 05:34 PM 2/9/2009, Mark Watson wrote: > The Nashua Telegraph reports the developer who purchased the WSMN > property a few years back with plans to build housing and a medical > building on the site has now revised his plans, and has started > negotiations with the station's owner about moving the station back > into it's original building on West Hollis St. This is all subject > to both sides coming to an agreement and city Planning Board > approval. The article also mentions that WSMN has apparently found > a site to construct a new 3 tower directional array, on land behind > a convenience store on West Hollis St. near the Hollis town line, > which is approx. a mile and a half west of their former site. Call me a cynic, but I don't see this happening. What incentive is there for the station to move back to the old house it was in for many years? The building was run down even before the station moved out, I can't imagine several years of sitting vacant has helped it any. The developer is broke and owes $100k in back taxes. WSMN has been a non-entity in the market for as long as I can remember...if it weren't for the once co-owned 1590 Broadcaster, no one would even know it existed. Then there's that little matter of the the tower site. Like that's gonna happen in NIMBY-land like Hollis. Just because the developer has a handshake agreement with a property owner doesn't make it a done deal. From mkr@matthewsworkbench.com Mon Feb 9 17:57:25 2009 From: mkr@matthewsworkbench.com (Matthew Reed) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:57:25 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <18831.43074.362935.856205@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <271671.44168.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18831.43074.362935.856205@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4990B4D5.1050106@matthewsworkbench.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Early transition > ---------------- > Bangor: 7, 12, 13 > Binghamton: 12 > Boston: 46 (contingent on 10 Providence) > Buffalo: 7, 29, 49 > Burlington: 3 (with nightlight, contingent on 22 but they have not filed yet), > 44 The Burlington Free Press recently published an article stating that most northern Vermont stations plan to switch early: WPTZ is running advertisements right now saying the same thing. So I assume that even though only WCAX and WCFE show up as having filed analog termination requests, the others will show up later. As I understood it, WCAX was planning to reduce power on their digital transmitter tomorrow to work on it (they need to change it from channel 53 to channel 22). From scott@fybush.com Mon Feb 9 19:11:46 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:11:46 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <2DE2DF3810624231AB374B9C2025102B@HomeOffice> References: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> <2DE2DF3810624231AB374B9C2025102B@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <4990C642.8030805@fybush.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > I absolutely now understand. Thanks. > > Now if I could only get a list of the channels my Panasonic DVR scans on > Comcast cable, e.g., 44-2 on the DVR equals 209 WGBXW(orld) on the > Comcast box, etc. I'll be all set for Feb 17th. After we get through the > DTV transition maybe somebody could explain to me the whys and > wherefores of the channel distribution on cable > Cable uses a different modulation scheme than broadcast DTV. Cable's scheme is called QAM, and most of it is scrambled so that you can't receive it with your DVR. Your cable box, as you note, uses a translation table to map those QAM channels for display, and the cable company can (and often does) change that mapping on the fly. It can also vary from headend to headend, so the lineup I saw last week on the Comcast system in Seekonk was rather different from the one I saw a day later in Newton. Some cable systems, like my Time Warner system here in Rochester, don't pass along broadcasters' PSIP mapping information, so the channels I see with my QAM-enabled DVD recorder at home are the actual physical RF channels the cable company is using - i.e., when WUHF's standard-def signal appears as "82.1" on my box, it's really traveling down the cable on RF channel 82. Other systems, like Comcast, do pass at least some of the PSIP, so many of the broadcast stations remap on QAM tuners - i.e. "44.2" for WGBH World. It might be traveling on RF channel 78 or 79, but you'd never know that in this case. (A cable company can't use the same RF channel for analog and for QAM, and it can pack many more program streams into a QAM channel than into an analog channel, which is why cable companies are itching to eliminate analog service completely.) Generally, the only unscrambled QAM channels you'll see are the local channels (SD, HD and whatever subchannels the broadcasters offer through cable), plus local access and maybe one or two others - NECN, for instance, showed up on the Comcast systems I was watching last week, and for some reason I get Lifetime Real Women on Time Warner here. As you'd imagine, the cable companies would rather rent you a box for $8 a month than have you tune in QAM channels for free - and they're thus loath to publicize the channel lineups. But a Google search of your community name, your cable company and "QAM lineup" will usually yield the relevant thread on AVSForum, where the helpful members tend to keep good track of what's available where. Hope that makes sense...if there's interest, I'd be happy to post the lineups I saw on the two Comcast systems I was hooked up to last week. s From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Feb 9 21:56:40 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:56:40 -0500 Subject: What stations still might change Feb 17 anyways. In-Reply-To: <4990C642.8030805@fybush.com> References: <791455489AAF44A6822FA636200D984C@HomeOffice> <4990841B.3060702@fybush.com> <2DE2DF3810624231AB374B9C2025102B@HomeOffice> <4990C642.8030805@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18832.60648.740650.412139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Your cable box, as you note, uses a translation table to map those QAM > channels for display, and the cable company can (and often does) change > that mapping on the fly. This technology is standardized by the cable industry's R&D association, CableLabs. The cable box gets this mapping from a device called a "CableCARD". If you look at the back side of a DVR-equipped Comcast box, you'll likely see a piece of metal screwed down over a slot in the back of the box labeled something like "M-Card only". Older TVs with digital tuners have the same slot, but without the security screws, but the cable companies have done so good a job of discouraging adoption that most TV manufacturers stopped including them a few years ago. TiVo still makes DVRs that include working CableCard slots. (An "M-Card" is a kind of CableCARD that can decode multiple channels at once.) The digital authorization is tied to the serial number of the device that the card is plugged into, so even if you have one of those TVs with a CableCARD slot, you still can't put the card from your STB into your TV. Last year, with great fanfare, the cable and consumer-electronics industries introduced "tru2way", a brand name for digital TVs with the same sort of interactive two-way interface as modern cable boxes. (The previous generation of CableCARD-ready TVs had receive-only interfaces, because the cable companies wanted the two-way capability built into the set but the TV makers wanted the two-way stuff to reside entirely in the card.) Currently, only Panasonic has tru2way-branded products on the market, and they are only available to Comcast subscribers in Chicago and Denver. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 09:37:16 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:37:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSMN Could Be Returning To It's Original Studio Building Message-ID: <596758.57643.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The building was used by the Nashua Fire Department for "smoke" training a couple of years ago. I don't think they were kind to the building. Granted it's more steam?than smoke being used in the drill, but it still has to cause some impact (mold ??) The property probably either behind J-Dons variety and/or the EZ Mini Storage. The land behind their is sandwich between Route 111 and the Nashua River very near the Hollis town line.? Back in my late teens I?had acquaintences who lived?at the house / farm property where the mini-storage is. As far as I know it's still in the family. The land behind both locations is pretty much out of sight and was and probably still is unsuitable for any housing / building development, except for perhaps a utility shed or two. ? With that said, I was listening to WSMN on the ride into work this morning, through the static of their weak signal. I usually don't listen, but that voice in my head said too ?$#%? ? John B Nashua Native Derry NH From tcoco@whav.net Sun Feb 8 14:36:28 2009 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:36:28 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80A28FE1225B4D5EBCFC46BA6E5F25DC@CEO> I never considered myself a focus group, but I also was one of those viewers who recently switched away from "7 News" because it was becoming a parody of one of those "over-the-top" news programs. I don't know how Price kept a straight face saying some of those alliterative headlines. Seems to me that the market is not going in WSVN's direction as the ratings indicate, and Ansin is taking a bigger risk forcing it. The state of the news business generally is disappointing. I've called my station's wire service to complain about, and correct stupid errors (In one instance, they reported Rep. Marty Meehan had filed a bill when he hasn't been in office for some time.) 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From joe@joebrownphotos.com Tue Feb 10 08:14:48 2009 From: joe@joebrownphotos.com (Joe Brown Digital Photography) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:14:48 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question Message-ID: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hello All - I have a client who is looking for a photo if possible. He seems to remember one of the TV stations in the 60's would sign off the air at midnight and the screen would go to a picture of an Indian. He tells me it is NOT the one with the Indian at the 12:00 position. He is insistent that the Indian head was full screen or so. He also thinks it was WHDH. If anyone can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it. joe brown woburn From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Feb 10 10:42:37 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:42:37 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> If you Google this, you'll find there are lots of references to the Indian-at-12:00 test pattern, but the one you're referring to doesn't ring a bell with me at all. Was it a photo or a test pattern? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown Digital Photography" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: TV Sign Off Question > > Hello All - > > I have a client who is looking for a photo if possible. He seems to > remember one of the TV stations in the 60's would sign off the air at > midnight and the screen would go to a picture of an Indian. > > He tells me it is NOT the one with the Indian at the 12:00 position. He is > insistent that the Indian head was full screen or so. > > He also thinks it was WHDH. > > If anyone can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it. > > joe brown > woburn > From attychase@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 12:32:05 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:05 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question References: Message-ID: <68ABA21CC67C4C528A6AA9C0AB657C9C@HomeOffice> This wouldn't be the head only but it is the Wikipedia's write up about the Indian head test pattern. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Head_test_card ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:42:37 -0500 > From: "Doug Drown" > Subject: Re: TV Sign Off Question > To: "Joe Brown Digital Photography" , > > Message-ID: <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > If you Google this, you'll find there are lots of references to the > Indian-at-12:00 test pattern, but the one you're referring to doesn't ring > a > bell with me at all. Was it a photo or a test pattern? -Doug From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 12:54:38 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:54:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <80A28FE1225B4D5EBCFC46BA6E5F25DC@CEO> Message-ID: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Randy Price was on Greater Boston?this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel 7's spin on his retiring. Beyond that he was very pleasant and well spoken. He also talked about how Channel 4 WBZ and Channel 25 WFXT do their newscasts. ? I don't know if there are replays or an archive of this particular program. ? John B ? From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Feb 10 12:59:58 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:59:58 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> At 8:14 AM 2/10/2009, Joe Brown wrote: >I have a client who is looking for a photo if possible. He seems to >remember one of the TV stations in the 60's would sign off the air >at midnight and the screen would go to a picture of an Indian. > >He tells me it is NOT the one with the Indian at the 12:00 position. >He is insistent that the Indian head was full screen or so. I do not recall ever seeing such a test pattern, and I spent some time studying them when I was a TV Chief Engineer. The "12 o'clock" Indian head test pattern was most commonly seen in the RCA TK-1 series of monoscopes. A monoscope is a modified TV camera incorporating a test pattern in the pickup tube. The "mono" in "monoscope" comes from the fact that it can display only one image. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Learn about IRS Tax Solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw22Y8dwogVNOc4DuxnXGLg8vNUxGbD4qY0x0apuLWZ4PhXRc/ From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Feb 10 13:10:50 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:10:50 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <000901c98baa$e7e33c60$b7a9b520$@com> > I do not recall ever seeing such a test pattern, and I spent some > time studying them when I was a TV Chief Engineer. > [Brian Vita] Does the "Chief" engineer wear the headdress? Brian From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 13:15:01 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:15:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495863.46186.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WGBH usually puts Greater Boston on its web site, so you can check there. ________________________________ From: John Bolduc To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:54:38 PM Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 Randy Price was on Greater Boston?this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel 7's spin on his retiring. Beyond that he was very pleasant and well spoken. He also talked about how Channel 4 WBZ and Channel 25 WFXT do their newscasts. ? I don't know if there are replays or an archive of this particular program. ? John B From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 13:15:23 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:15:23 -0600 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80A28FE1225B4D5EBCFC46BA6E5F25DC@CEO> <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902101015v83a99d4rd0b0ba6a31ca2d33@mail.gmail.com> If you have Comcast ON DEMAND it is available on the WGBH menu. The problem with 7News is the managers are not Bostonians and in many cases come from WSVN. Another problem is Ansin despises IBEW because in Miami he pays next to nothing for labor. When Sunbeam first kicked WHDH into WSVN mode they spent a small fortune sending Dan Hausle ANYWHERE on the planet to give a local feel for major stories. Ansin is oblivious to the simple fact if a major local story breaks viewers will watch WCVB or WBZ. On 2/10/09, John Bolduc wrote: > Randy Price was on Greater Boston this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH > Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel > 7's spin on his retiring. > Beyond that he was very pleasant and well spoken. He also talked about how > Channel 4 WBZ and Channel 25 WFXT do their newscasts. > > I don't know if there are replays or an archive of this particular program. > > John B > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:17:33 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:17:33 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4991C4BD.4080300@gmail.com> John Bolduc wrote: > Randy Price was on Greater Boston this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel 7's spin on his retiring. Who saw that clarification coming?! Bill O' From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 13:18:05 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:18:05 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <495863.46186.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495863.46186.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It usually is available "on demand" from Comcast for a couple of days. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: n1qgs@yahoo.com; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 WGBH usually puts Greater Boston on its web site, so you can check there. ________________________________ From: John Bolduc To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:54:38 PM Subject: Re: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 Randy Price was on Greater Boston?this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel 7's spin on his retiring. Beyond that he was very pleasant and well spoken. He also talked about how Channel 4 WBZ and Channel 25 WFXT do their newscasts. ? I don't know if there are replays or an archive of this particular program. ? John B From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 13:20:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:20:01 -0600 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770902101020r242034b2mf9e98e4a37b502ef@mail.gmail.com> At the old WMUR our test pattern was on a slide that was then scanned by a TK-27. On occasion we would use the Indian Head on an art card shot by a studio camera. From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Feb 10 13:30:57 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:30:57 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 In-Reply-To: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <105026956071916520809546012307832070981-Webmail@me.com> On Tuesday, February 10, 2009, at 12:54PM, "John Bolduc" wrote: >Randy Price was on Greater Boston?this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with Channel 7's spin on his retiring. >Beyond that he was very pleasant and well spoken. He also talked about how Channel 4 WBZ and Channel 25 WFXT do their newscasts. >? >I don't know if there are replays or an archive of this particular program. You can watch it here: http://www.wgbh.org/gb/ I hope we see Randy return to another Boston station. Mark From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 10 13:43:21 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:43:21 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>, <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown>, <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <49918479.23101.463081@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Feb 2009 at 12:59, Dale H. Cook wrote: > The "12 o'clock" Indian head test pattern was most commonly seen in > the RCA TK-1 series of monoscopes. A monoscope is a modified TV camera > incorporating a test pattern in the pickup tube. The "mono" in > "monoscope" comes from the fact that it can display only one image. That test pattern was used for awhile by the old WHDH-TV 5 when it first came on. I remember that it was expected to come on earlier in November than it did, but apparently the weather didn't allow the men to get up to the top of the tower to connect the antenna. Finally, one day, I came home from school, turned on the TV to channel 5, and saw the Indian-head test pattern. I wondered what it was, but every so often, a voice would interrupt the tone and announce that it was WHDH-TV channel 5 in Boston. According to the news at the time, the station got authority to start programming around the news hour. At that time, the station actually signed on and began programming with the local and then the network evening news. The Indian-head test pattern was used for at least a few weeks after that, maybe longer, before the start of the broadcast day. Then they finally got a new test pattern that looked just like the one WGBH-TV was using, except that it had the WHDH-TV call letters and channel number on it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Feb 10 13:43:20 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:43:20 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <68ABA21CC67C4C528A6AA9C0AB657C9C@HomeOffice> References: , <68ABA21CC67C4C528A6AA9C0AB657C9C@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <49918478.22909.462C7A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 10 Feb 2009 at 12:32, Robert S Chase wrote: > This wouldn't be the head only but it is the Wikipedia's write up > about the Indian head test pattern. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Head_test_card I always thought it was Chief Thunderthud from the Howdy Doody Show. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:30:23 2009 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave in Boston) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:30:23 -0500 Subject: Randy Price Resigns From Channel 7 References: <525435.56802.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4991C4BD.4080300@gmail.com> Message-ID: > John Bolduc wrote: > >> Randy Price was on Greater Boston this morning at 00:00 (midnight) on >> WGBH Channel 2 analog. He insists he was fired, and was not happy with >> Channel 7's spin on his retiring. > > Who saw that clarification coming?! Isn't it usually the other way around? The staff member plays it as a retirement...and the company leaks out that said staff member was booted. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Feb 10 14:08:33 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:08:33 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <000901c98baa$e7e33c60$b7a9b520$@com> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> <000901c98baa$e7e33c60$b7a9b520$@com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210140710.039a9378@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:10 PM 2/10/2009, Brian Vita wrote: >Does the "Chief" engineer wear the headdress? No, we don't want feathers falling off and landing in the hardware. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/u4MuScM2CQULYLVGvsThf9FkofKZbuzGTTvEPIGrE8uxrfnIl5jSO/ From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Tue Feb 10 14:12:56 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:12:56 -0500 Subject: TV Sign Off Question In-Reply-To: <49918479.23101.463081@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0KEU00GHHQ4F3KG0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <209AE7474D9940C08B802AC305FE0E82@DougDrown> <7.0.1.0.2.20090210125119.038ac408@plymouthcolony.net> <49918479.23101.463081@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090210140936.038d1a20@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:43 PM 2/10/2009, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Then they finally got a new >test pattern that looked just like the one WGBH-TV was using, except >that it had the WHDH-TV call letters and channel number on it. That was likely a custom monoscope. The beauty of monoscopes was that they produced precise images independent of any lenses. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/u4MuScM2CQUr0TsA9WUdnggPn5Xhh5JZtoyohQ4tITQ7DfSCbc7NU/ From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 17:35:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:35:56 -0600 Subject: from the wayback machine Message-ID: <4fc429770902101435l8e4c9a0lc7b323da62440495@mail.gmail.com> A collection of WBZ radio TV commercials from the mid 60's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAga5CJKk4 There is about a 5 second pause after the first one From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 17:38:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:38:33 -0600 Subject: What Comcast Sportnet is up to Message-ID: <4fc429770902101438m2c3288a7n397e7b14af50b591@mail.gmail.com> from the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/business/media/09adco.html From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 10 21:33:05 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:33:05 -0500 Subject: What Comcast Sportnet is up to In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902101438m2c3288a7n397e7b14af50b591@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770902101438m2c3288a7n397e7b14af50b591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18834.14561.728390.566793@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > from the NY Times > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/business/media/09adco.html Reminder: no posting bare links on this mailing-list. You need to contribute in your own words, not someone else's. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 10 23:24:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:24:35 -0500 Subject: DTV Update Message-ID: <18834.21251.129101.470579@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> There were a whole flurry of DTV transition updates filed with the FCC today. The following stations have now reported that they expect to do an early transition (stations in parentheses have not refiled since the FCC released the official rules on the transition extension, which according to the FCC's order in docket 09-6, means that they must continue operating in analog until at least March 14): Connecticut: (WFSB 3), WUVN 18, WHPX 26*, WEDW 49 Massachusetts: WWLP 22, WMFP 62 Maine: WVII-TV 7*, (WGME-TV 13), WPFO 23* (flash cut) New Hampshire: WNEU 60 (will do nightlight) New Jersey: (WMBC-TV 63) New York: WKTV 2, WPTZ 5 (will do nightlight), (WTVH 5), WWNY-TV 7*, (WKBW-TV 7), WBNG-TV 12, WETM-TV 18*, WXXA-TV 23, (WUTV 29), (WUHF 31), WIVT 34 (will operate transitional DTV ch. 4 until June), WICZ-TV 40, (WNYS-TV 43), (WNYO-TV 49), WWTI 50, WCFE 57, (WSYT 68) Pennsylvania: WWCP-TV 8*, WLYH-TV 15, WNEP-TV 16, WYOU 22, (WPMY 22), WATM-TV 23, WBRE-TV 28, WITF-TV 33, WSEE-TV 35, (?WVIA-TV 44), (WPGH-TV 53) Rhode Island: WJAR 10, WPRI-TV 12, WNAC-TV 64* Vermont: WCAX-TV 3* (will do nightlight), WVNY 22, WNNE 31, WFFF-TV 44 This list excludes stations that have already completed their transition (at which point they are no longer required to file these reports). An asterisk indicates that the station has different interim and post-transition facilities, and has also requested authorization to operate on the post-transition facility. It appears that nobody in Boston except WMFP (which doesn't count) is going to transition early, so Qualcomm will have to wait until at least March to get MediaFlo running on channel 55. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 21:39:06 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:39:06 -0600 Subject: What Comcast Sportnet is up to In-Reply-To: <18834.14561.728390.566793@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770902101438m2c3288a7n397e7b14af50b591@mail.gmail.com> <18834.14561.728390.566793@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902101839m7175dec8re0156eb800b2f69e@mail.gmail.com> There's not a heckuva lot that could be said when posting that link that you couldn't read in the article.. or that wouldn't give the content away or violate tom TOS Paul On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > from the NY Times > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/business/media/09adco.html > > Reminder: no posting bare links on this mailing-list. You need to > contribute in your own words, not someone else's. > > -GAWollman > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 10 23:46:56 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:46:56 -0500 Subject: DTV Update In-Reply-To: <18834.21251.129101.470579@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18834.21251.129101.470579@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18834.22592.923206.554286@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There were a whole flurry of DTV transition updates filed with the FCC > today. And the FCC published a list, which includes a somewhat different set of stations at . The FCC's list also includes the stations that have already gone silent. > Connecticut: (WFSB 3), WUVN 18, WHPX 26*, WEDW 49 Strike WFSB. > Massachusetts: WWLP 22, WMFP 62 Add WLNE-TV, strike WMFP. > Maine: WVII-TV 7*, (WGME-TV 13), WPFO 23* (flash cut) Confirm WGME-TV. > New Hampshire: WNEU 60 (will do nightlight) Add WENH-TV, WEKW-TV, and WLED-TV. > New Jersey: (WMBC-TV 63) Confirm WMBC-TV and add WFME-TV and WMGM-TV. > New York: WKTV 2, WPTZ 5 (will do nightlight), (WTVH 5), WWNY-TV 7*, > (WKBW-TV 7), WBNG-TV 12, > WETM-TV 18*, WXXA-TV 23, (WUTV 29), (WUHF 31), > WIVT 34 (will operate transitional DTV ch. 4 until June), > WICZ-TV 40, (WNYS-TV 43), (WNYO-TV 49), WWTI 50, WCFE 57, > (WSYT 68) Confirm WNYS-TV, WSYT, WUHF, and WUTV. > Pennsylvania: WWCP-TV 8*, WLYH-TV 15, WNEP-TV 16, WYOU 22, (WPMY 22), > WATM-TV 23, WBRE-TV 28, WITF-TV 33, WSEE-TV 35, > (?WVIA-TV 44), (WPGH-TV 53) Strike WATM-TV? Confirm WPGH-TV and WPMY; add WQEX and WQMY. > Rhode Island: WJAR 10, WPRI-TV 12, WNAC-TV 64* WNAC-TV will provide nightlight service. > Vermont: WCAX-TV 3* (will do nightlight), WVNY 22, WNNE 31, WFFF-TV 44 Add (unexpectedly) all four Vermont ETV stations (all will do nightlight): WETK 33, WVER 28, WVTA 41, and WVTB 20. Hat tip: Ohio Media Watch. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 10 21:42:00 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:42:00 -0600 Subject: What Comcast Sportnet is up to In-Reply-To: <18834.14561.728390.566793@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770902101438m2c3288a7n397e7b14af50b591@mail.gmail.com> <18834.14561.728390.566793@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770902101842m65bd1192jac5dc1bc2a98b284@mail.gmail.com> Noted I still think the day will come when CSN buys NESN and/or the Red Sox. The money Comcast pays the Red Sox yearly in subscriber fees could justify such a move. Of course all bets are off if the FCC ever allows al-la-carte cable pricing like Canada enjoys. On 2/10/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> from the NY Times >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/business/media/09adco.html > > Reminder: no posting bare links on this mailing-list. You need to > contribute in your own words, not someone else's. > > -GAWollman > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Feb 11 10:03:34 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:03:34 -0500 Subject: Sirius XM Radio Bankruptcy? Message-ID: <001801c98c59$f13ffb90$d3bff2b0$@com> Has anyone else been watching the financial news regarding Sirius XM preparing a bankruptcy filing? One of the more galling parts that I find is that one of the articles reported that Echostar wanted to buy them out but Uncle Mel would not relinquish control of the reins effectively killing the deal. I'm don't have an MBA so can someone explain to me how a failing company (Sirius) can merge with a more healthy company (XM), become the dominant partner and then impose the same failing business practices that was tanking them on the healthier one? As the company continues to tank the stock holders do allow this misguided CEO to continue and do nothing? Is everyone asleep there? Is Mel a shill for the terrestrial broadcasters? Given the fact that XM Weather is now used by all of the major airlines as well as general aviation, will the government allow them to tank? Will the government bail them out or will they spin off? Are we looking at another Iridium deal here? Brian From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 11 10:16:38 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:16:38 -0500 Subject: Sirius XM Radio Bankruptcy? In-Reply-To: <001801c98c59$f13ffb90$d3bff2b0$@com> References: <001801c98c59$f13ffb90$d3bff2b0$@com> Message-ID: <18834.60374.597850.685917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Given the fact that XM Weather is now used by all of the major airlines as > well as general aviation, will the government allow them to tank? Will the > government bail them out or will they spin off? Are we looking at another > Iridium deal here? What they're talking about is Chapter 11, which essentially means that the shareholders and the debt holders (who have some serious repayments due in a week's time) would get wiped out, and the company would have the opportunity to reject and renegotiate its overly-generous contracts with content providers like MLB, NFL, and Stern, and its profit-sharing deals with the automakers. They would be able to continue operating, although given that bankruptcy is poison to a consumer brand like theirs I'm not sure that it wouldn't have a significant impact on renewal costs. (But if they work out a "packaged" bankruptcy, they can be effectively in and out of bankruptcy in a legal instant.) Some commentators are suggesting that they would be better to sell one of the two satellite platforms to someone else. That's apparently what EchoStar was looking for. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 11 14:22:23 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:22:23 -0500 Subject: Sirius XM Radio Bankruptcy? In-Reply-To: <18834.60374.597850.685917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <001801c98c59$f13ffb90$d3bff2b0$@com> <18834.60374.597850.685917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4993256F.90905@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I'm not sure that it wouldn't > have a significant impact on renewal costs. I'm already noticing they (Sirius) are enticing subscribers to extend their membership early, by Mid march, and then, whenever your subscription expires, 32k web audio and its free access to will go away and you'll have to pay 3 bucks a month for the 128k stream. They also introduced a la carte and packages, e.g., news/talk, family, sports. I have to wonder if they can sustain two incompatible platforms and why should they? Why not just cash-out on one of them? Wonder if CC or other terrestrial holdings will see the benefit of such? Toss your flagships up onto the bird, etc. Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Wed Feb 11 14:38:28 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:38:28 -0500 Subject: Sirius XM Radio Bankruptcy? In-Reply-To: <4993256F.90905@gmail.com> References: <001801c98c59$f13ffb90$d3bff2b0$@com> <18834.60374.597850.685917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4993256F.90905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CAB5F72@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I'm already noticing they (Sirius) are enticing subscribers to extend their membership early, by Mid march, and then, whenever your subscription expires, 32k web audio and its free access to will go away and you'll have to pay 3 bucks a month for the 128k stream. They also introduced a la carte and packages, e.g., news/talk, family, sports.<< It's not just additional charges for streaming. They will also be raising the price of permissioning additional radios (the so-called family plan) from $6.99/month each to $8.99. >>I have to wonder if they can sustain two incompatible platforms and why should they?<< Because of the customer investment in radios, all of which on whatever platform they don't keep would have to be replaced. With prices going up, that could be a point at which many subscribers say "enough!" and cancel. Many of those radios are built into new cars and aren't easily replaceable. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Feb 11 15:54:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:54:52 -0600 Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor Message-ID: <4fc429770902111254s4de46533w8174f26c066dad89@mail.gmail.com> Channel 7 fired Brandon Rudat this morning saying he was not a good fit for station. Meanwhile I was talking to an IBEW 1228 official today about something else and he told me they have heard rumblings that Ansin has something nasty up his sleeve. Ansin thinks he can produce a Boston newscast in MIAMI. I personally don't think he could but at this point nothing would surprise me. From neggytive@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 22:14:30 2009 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm headed to the beach Message-ID: <46442.84858.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> After close to 5 years as a weekend/fill in Board op for one of the minor players in the leased time ethnic game, I was informed today that my hours are being reduced to zero... next 2 weekends off, 2 weekends on, then I'm finished. On the plus side I will be able to spend more time riding or flying on the weekends, Downside I will miss the people who bought time from us, really nice people who made working there fun. The 2 stations will be staffed by the GM and the full time board op, who will take turns working the weekend hours and doing my other duties. Time to take my license down off the wall and put it back in my briefcase. I doubt I'll ever make it back from the beach, and now that I have retired from the day job, maybe it's time to kick back and relax. Times are tough, and the people who were buying time from us have either had to give up the shows due to lack of contributions from their listeners, or they headed to Chelsea where they can get time cheaper. 36 years since I got my 3rd class, 33 years since I got my Class 1 and walked into my first radio gig.... From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 12 01:23:29 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:23:29 -0500 Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor References: <4fc429770902111254s4de46533w8174f26c066dad89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c98cda$6bdd1560$0202a8c0@PaulPC> I can't wait to see the weatherpeople in shorts by a Palm Tree telling us we've got 20" of snow falling in Boston... Oh wait...they'll just green screen over some single camaraman left in Boston taking shots of the storm... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor > Channel 7 fired Brandon Rudat this morning saying he was not a good > fit for station. > > Meanwhile I was talking to an IBEW 1228 official today about something > else and he told me they have heard rumblings that Ansin has something > nasty up his sleeve. > > Ansin thinks he can produce a Boston newscast in MIAMI. I personally > don't think he could but at this point nothing would surprise me. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 08:17:57 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Message-ID: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this? From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Feb 12 08:33:48 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:33:48 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's actually on WODS HD3, not HD2. The HD2 is music. Which brings up a question. Is the agreement among some of the major broadcasting groups to not air commercials on FM HD now over? I forget how long the agreement was supposed to last. I guess CBS could argue that WODS HD3 is not "originating" commercials though. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:18 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this? From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Feb 12 08:44:22 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:44:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this? > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in just fine as well. From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 12 08:52:42 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:52:42 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB8865C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Is the agreement among some of the major broadcasting groups to not air commercials on FM HD now over? I forget how long the agreement was supposed to last. I guess CBS could argue that WODS HD3 is not "originating" commercials though.<< The no-commercials-on-HD-secondaries agreement ended last fall. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 12 08:55:18 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:55:18 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites.<< Similar to what CBS Radio is doing in some of its other markets. In New York, for example, WCBS is on WCBS-FM-HD3, and WINS is on WWFS-HD3. >>I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this?<< Short answer: Not enough. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Feb 12 08:54:54 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: The perfect gift for techno geeks on this list Message-ID: <007001c98d19$7bda6960$738f3c20$@com> The video clip that is linked below was forwarded to me as the ideal gift for the techno geek that I am. The language is very raw (as in, if you're offended by f-bombs, don't view it) but the clip is funny as hell and quite adequately markets to us gadget freaks. Having warned you appropriately, I hope that you find it as amusing as I did. Follow this link for an urgent update on breaking news: http://www.theonion.com/content//node/93143?utm_source=embedded_video_2 The language in the above video clip is a bit raw but its funny as hell. Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Feb 12 09:01:46 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:01:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <007c01c98d1a$71cf7fe0$556e7fa0$@com> > >>Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD > channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and > there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites.<< > > Similar to what CBS Radio is doing in some of its other markets. In > New York, for example, WCBS is on WCBS-FM-HD3, and WINS is on WWFS-HD3. > > >>I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor > to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to > take advantage of this?<< > > Short answer: Not enough. > Equally as short of an answer: Many of us can receive FM fine but lose AM due to RFI/EMI interference. In my office WBZ 1030 is unlistenable. 1030-HD works fine most of the time. I can receive most of the FM channels fine and those that have HD come in great. Therefore, if I have to listen to WBZ, my first choice would be AM-HD when available. When the interference gets too severe, 103.3 HD-3. [Brian Vita] I can imaging that it would be the same in a steel framed office building. Brian From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Feb 12 09:06:44 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:06:44 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26A6FC37FB714806A971349916E09301@fs.uml.edu> There is a fairly long discussion of this on Radio-Info. Apparently they feel that in some office buildings where WBZ has problems because of the steel, WODS HD3 will fill the gap. Speaking of "anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in just fine"...any plans to put WRKO on WAAF HD3 to fill in those western suburbs? Hehe. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:44 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this? > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in just fine as well. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 12 09:18:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:18:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18836.12210.281126.17140@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in > just fine as well. Not if you live within a few miles of 100 Mount Wayte Avenue. (Particularly not once 1060 is able to take the filters out and start running IBOC.) -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 12 09:37:58 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:37:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <26A6FC37FB714806A971349916E09301@fs.uml.edu> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <26A6FC37FB714806A971349916E09301@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88735@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>any plans to put WRKO on WAAF HD3 to fill in those western suburbs? Hehe.<< None that I'm aware of. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 12 09:46:08 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:46:08 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88735@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <26A6FC37FB714806A971349916E09301@fs.uml.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88735@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <18836.13872.499387.88671@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >>> any plans to put WRKO on WAAF HD3 to fill in those western suburbs? Hehe.<< > None that I'm aware of. Wouldn't there be rights issues with syndicated programming currently on WTAG? -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Feb 12 09:56:32 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <499438A0.2090503@gabrielmass.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> >>> how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this?<< > > Short answer: Not enough. > From a quick search on-line, the cheapest home HD radio receivers are still around $100. Is there some reason we can't get a Superadio with HD? --RC From ncn86@hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 09:23:43 2009 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:23:43 -0500 Subject: WBZ on WODS HD-3 Message-ID: Here in South Central NH, WBZ HD signal does not come in very well at the house. I have a wire strung through my attic for AM reception, and the WBZ HD signal is spotty at best during the day, and does not exist at night. Heck WCBS-AM and WFAN-AM come in better with HD then WBZ does during the day or night! Having a directional FM antenna on the roof, WODS HD 1, 2, and 3 come in clear at all times of the day. So listening to WBZ on 103.3 is the clearer, better option then on AM, here in Merrimack anyway. A second choice to get listeners to tune in. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From brscomm@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 09:56:38 2009 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:56:38 -0600 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <29128992896B46EFA2E4CC67C0FFA434@wesels> KMOX is doing the same thing here in St. Louis on KEZK HD-3 Bill -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:55 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: RE: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 >>Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites.<< Similar to what CBS Radio is doing in some of its other markets. In New York, for example, WCBS is on WCBS-FM-HD3, and WINS is on WWFS-HD3. >>I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this?<< Short answer: Not enough. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 12 10:27:17 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:27:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ on WODS HD-3 Message-ID: <20090212152717.B81B449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Steve Leveille mentioned the other night that "you can now hear WBZ on FM" and mentioned the deal with the HD-3 signal on 103.3 (in case people have trouble in their building picking up the reg one) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 12 10:29:34 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:29:34 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <499438A0.2090503@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <0911C77D18DB477E99D5597EA56E3B81@SatU205S5044> The Super Radio, made for years under the GE name and for its last year or so of manufacture under the RCA name, is no longer manufactured anywhere by anyone. You can probably still buy used ones on eBay, though. I have a used one that stopped working without warning less than a year ago; its problem appears to be in the varactor tuning. In any event, the Super Radio (all versions--1, 2, 3GE, and 3RCA) was a completely analog radio. Any receiver that can receive HD Radio would be a 100% different design. I guess the manufacturer might be able to save the three letters RCA from the end-of-life analog Super Radio 3 ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 > Sid Schweiger wrote: >>>> >>>> how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this?<< >> >> Short answer: Not enough. >> > > From a quick search on-line, the cheapest home HD radio receivers > are still around $100. Is there some reason we can't get a > Superadio with HD? > > --RC > > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Thu Feb 12 10:50:07 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:50:07 EST Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor Message-ID: In a message dated 2/12/2009 9:50:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >Meanwhile I was talking to an IBEW 1228 official today about something >else and he told me they have heard rumblings that Ansin has something >nasty up his sleeve. >Ansin thinks he can produce a Boston newscast in MIAMI. I personally >don't think he could but at this point nothing would surprise me. I used to belong to 1228 when I worked in Boston and am not really familiar with their current contract. Maybe what Ansin has in mind is actually switching the news from Miami with the talent actually in the studio in Boston. Would that violate the current 1228 contract? That would make more sense. They sort of do that today with hubbing and multiple Master Control operations in all parts of the country. Mike **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) From mward@iname.com Thu Feb 12 10:54:57 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:54:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <29128992896B46EFA2E4CC67C0FFA434@wesels> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <29128992896B46EFA2E4CC67C0FFA434@wesels> Message-ID: <49944651.7070202@iname.com> Bill Smith wrote: > KMOX is doing the same thing here in St. Louis on KEZK HD-3 Our local Clear Channel talker, WHLO/640 Akron, shows up on WRQK/106.9 Canton's HD 2. Both CBS Radio and Clear Channel are doing this in many markets. And though 640 is a local for me, at night, its directional pattern makes it a bit scratchy...if I want to listen, 106.9 HD2 is the better option. From mward@iname.com Thu Feb 12 10:59:24 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:59:24 -0500 Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4994475C.2060009@iname.com> TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > I used to belong to 1228 when I worked in Boston and am not really familiar > with their current contract. Maybe what Ansin has in mind is actually > switching the news from Miami with the talent actually in the studio in Boston. > Would that violate the current 1228 contract? That would make more sense. I imagine the union issues in a big market like Boston are myriad, even now. There was a story out there recently about the West Palm Beach market's CW affiliate airing a 10 PM newscast produced - anchors and all - out of their sister CBS affiliate in Salt Lake City. The show has one local field reporter and one local entertainment reporter in West Palm, but everyone else is in Utah. They make a big deal about the fact that the Utah-based weather anchor used to work at two Miami stations, and "knows South Florida weather". The arrangement is made easy, electronically, by the fact that the West Palm CW station and its sister stations in Florida are now hubbed out of that Salt Lake City station's facilities. (The newscast is even in HD.) I do NOT see this as being feasible in Boston for many reasons, or even if it is, I don't see it as being accepted by viewers. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 11:39:43 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:39:43 -0500 Subject: Fw: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? Message-ID: <8EED1CDF3FE54A4CAA7138D490C37507@MainXPPro> Jordan says Donna has a copy of this tape/file..... Are you going to put in on your web site Donna? ----- Original Message ----- > I don't know who owns the content, but Donna should try to get Jordan > to get her a tape; she could then make it available on her own Web > site or could provide a link to to the interview on WBZ's site or > Jordan's site--if he has one. > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 12 11:56:46 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:56:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ on WODS HD-3 In-Reply-To: <20090212152717.B81B449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090212152717.B81B449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18836.21710.454233.765034@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Steve Leveille mentioned the other night that "you can now hear WBZ > on FM" and mentioned the deal with the HD-3 signal on 103.3 (in case > people have trouble in their building picking up the reg one) I listened to a bit of the "Midday News" this morning on the HD3. Much, much cleaner signal for me in Framingham. But they need to tweak the processing a bit to make Gregg Jensen sound a bit less like Jim Clancy. I don't need my walls to vibrate when I'm listening to the news. -GAWollman From ncn86@hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:08:16 2009 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:08:16 -0500 Subject: WBZ was HD2 Message-ID: Oh, and WBZ was on HD2 a few weeks ago, untill CBS found a music channel for HD2. Called "The Cove", it plays "Bostons soft and relaxing love songs" 24 hours a day. Interesting format. -Nick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Feb 12 11:33:08 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:33:08 -0500 Subject: WHDH fires weekend anchor References: Message-ID: Nothing would surprise me. What is forgotten, however, in situations like this and the recent debacle at WBZ Radio is that --- IMHO as a Yankee with 329 years' worth of New England blood in my veins --- New England is a culturally unique place in America. It's independent and parochial, with a mindset that frequently thinks of itself as sort of "in, but not of" the rest of the country. Just as 'BZ's listeners weren't impressed with the idea of its nighttime programming coming out of St. Louis, I rather doubt Channel 7's viewers would take kindly to having its weekend newscasts out of Miami. Just my curmudgeonly thoughts. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: WHDH fires weekend anchor > In a message dated 2/12/2009 9:50:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: > >>Meanwhile I was talking to an IBEW 1228 official today about something >>else and he told me they have heard rumblings that Ansin has something >>nasty up his sleeve. > >>Ansin thinks he can produce a Boston newscast in MIAMI. I personally >>don't think he could but at this point nothing would surprise me. > > I used to belong to 1228 when I worked in Boston and am not really > familiar > with their current contract. Maybe what Ansin has in mind is actually > switching the news from Miami with the talent actually in the studio in > Boston. > Would that violate the current 1228 contract? That would make more sense. > > They sort of do that today with hubbing and multiple Master Control > operations in all parts of the country. > > Mike > > > > **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near > you > now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000001) > From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 12 11:59:41 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:59:41 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <18836.13872.499387.88671@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <26A6FC37FB714806A971349916E09301@fs.uml.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88735@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <18836.13872.499387.88671@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88A2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>> any plans to put WRKO on WAAF HD3 to fill in those western suburbs? Hehe.<< > None that I'm aware of. Wouldn't there be rights issues with syndicated programming currently on WTAG?<< Possibly, but since IANAL that's for the legal types to decide. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 12 12:02:22 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:02:22 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <499438A0.2090503@gabrielmass.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88666@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <499438A0.2090503@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE81F2CB88A32@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Is there some reason we can't get a Superadio with HD?<< 1) AFAIK the Superadio isn't made anymore. 2) There are no portable HD radios yet, mostly due to power consumption issues. I keep hearing that a battery-friendly HD chipset is in the works, but so far nothing has come to market. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Feb 12 12:19:35 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:19:35 -0500 Subject: WBZ was HD2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14D44C6716654F49BDDFFA19E5334692@DHPP0DB1> > Oh, and WBZ was on HD2 a few weeks ago, untill CBS found a music channel > for HD2. Called "The Cove", it plays "Bostons soft and relaxing love > songs" 24 hours a day. Interesting format. > -Nick Hmm, WODS's HD signal did not even come on the air for the first time until a couple weeks ago. "The Cove" seems to be very repetitive, and is very similar to WMJX's format. Hopefully this is just temporary, because it would be nice if they would air older oldies, as was originally the plan. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 12 13:29:27 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:29:27 -0500 Subject: Fw: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's show Saturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? In-Reply-To: <8EED1CDF3FE54A4CAA7138D490C37507@MainXPPro> References: <8EED1CDF3FE54A4CAA7138D490C37507@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <20090212182922.2195644C0CF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:39 AM 2/12/2009, Don A wrote: >Jordan says Donna has a copy of this tape/file..... > >Are you going to put in on your web site Donna? He sent me the show on a CD and if I can figure out how to post it, yes I will. 8-) From attychase@comcast.net Thu Feb 12 13:33:21 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:33:21 -0500 Subject: I'm headed to the beach References: Message-ID: <961E5AE8C21F4B06A64B9884A8E9889A@HomeOffice> I would be a little careful here if you're thinking unemployment compensation is in the cards for you. I don't know if that is something you're eligible for but it looks like the way they're firing you is to make you say $%*& you to the second weekend thereby arguably screwing up your eligibility. It's one thing to be automatically eligible because you're laid off, (if this was a position that would be eligible in the first place) it's another thing to have to find a good cause exception to get it back after a finding of disqualification because of a quit. Maybe some of the other lawyers on this list serve who do more of this stuff have more or better information. > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:14:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Neggy > Subject: I'm headed to the beach > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Message-ID: <46442.84858.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > After close to 5 years as a weekend/fill in Board op for one of the minor > players in the leased time ethnic game, I was informed today that my hours > are being reduced to zero... next 2 weekends off, 2 weekends on, then I'm > finished. > On the plus side I will be able to spend more time riding or flying on the > weekends, Downside I will miss the people who bought time from us, really > nice people who made working there fun. > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 13:46:45 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:46:45 -0500 Subject: Fw: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's showSaturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? References: <8EED1CDF3FE54A4CAA7138D490C37507@MainXPPro> <20090212182922.2195644C0CF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <639E2B236B7440CCBED63C8727D33C0B@MainXPPro> > At 11:39 AM 2/12/2009, Don A wrote: > >>Jordan says Donna has a copy of this tape/file..... >> >>Are you going to put in on your web site Donna? > > He sent me the show on a CD and if I can figure out how to post it, > yes I will. 8-) Isn't that what Jon is for? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 12 13:51:25 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:51:25 -0500 Subject: The perfect gift for techno geeks on this list Message-ID: <380-220092412185125531@ix.netcom.com> That clip is MINT! An excellent putdown of Sony & any other company that tries to snow comsumers. I very enjoyed the humor, it even broke my bad mood today! Frankly, the rough language is a necessary, appropriate & valuable part of the the concept. Thank You! > [Original Message] > From: Brian Vita > To: Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org > Date: 2/12/2009 8:59:06 AM > Subject: The perfect gift for techno geeks on this list From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 12 14:11:19 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: Fw: Didn't anyone hear Donna on Jordan Rich's showSaturday 2/8 11:00PMto midnight on WBZ? In-Reply-To: <639E2B236B7440CCBED63C8727D33C0B@MainXPPro> References: <8EED1CDF3FE54A4CAA7138D490C37507@MainXPPro> <20090212182922.2195644C0CF@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <639E2B236B7440CCBED63C8727D33C0B@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <20090212191115.356A67316B1@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:46 PM 2/12/2009, Don A wrote: >Isn't that what Jon is for? Umm, many puns and jokes come to mind, especially regarding the number of things my husband is good at... but we'll keep the comments at the level of professionalism this list is known for!!! From lglavin@mail.com Thu Feb 12 15:59:44 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:59:44 -0500 Subject: WTTT Calls Return (But Not In Boston) Message-ID: <20090212205944.8764F1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Today's (02/12/09) FCC Actions also included a list of call-letter changes, and I noticed that the calls WTTT had been assigned to a new FM startup in far northern NH. In fact the application had been revised to change the City of License to Bretton Woods, so you can guess where the transmitter is now being placed: Mount Washington, with 40 watts on 98.7! The coverage map seemed to indicate that the signal will not be received in any (relatively) sizable community...maybe just the Mount Washington Hotel? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Feb 12 18:24:25 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:24:25 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:44 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in > just fine as well. It might be the result of an improperly-installed (or no) audio filter that causes lots of noise when my car engine is running, but WBZ is unlistenable west of Nashua for me. Not that I have an HD radio in the car, but I'm sure I'd get better reception and sound from WODS-HD3 than from WBZ in southern New Hampshire. So now my cable company has declared bankruptcy and my satellite radio provider is about to also. Yikes! Paul From dave@skywaves.net Thu Feb 12 19:56:58 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:56:58 -0500 Subject: The perfect gift for techno geeks on this list References: <007001c98d19$7bda6960$738f3c20$@com> Message-ID: <109405AA21B4487FAFFEAB26A4993FF8@skywaves.com> This is hilarious! They picked on Sony, but it really doesn't matter. Most consumer electronics manufacturers would easily qualify. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Boston-Radio-Interest@Bostonradio. Org'" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: The perfect gift for techno geeks on this list > > The video clip that is linked below was forwarded to me as the ideal > gift for the techno geek that I am. The language is very raw (as in, > if you're offended by f-bombs, don't view it) but the clip is funny as > hell and quite adequately markets to us gadget freaks. Having warned > you appropriately, I hope that you find it as amusing as I did. > Follow this link for an urgent update on breaking news: > > http://www.theonion.com/content//node/93143?utm_source=embedded_video_2 > > The language in the above video clip is a bit raw but its funny as > hell. > > Brian > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 00:28:48 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:28:48 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 Message-ID: <18837.1296.506719.350852@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I don't really know what sort of delays are considered typical for HD3 signals, but the WBZ audio on 103.3-3 seems to be about half a minute behind the (already delayed) 1030 audio. Are they running it off a stream or something? Surely there must be a low-delay audio path from 1170 over to Birmingham Parkway! -GAWollman From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri Feb 13 09:44:52 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:44:52 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <123453629301@mx04.gis.net> WBZ is almost unlistenable where I live on the south side of Natick. Back in 1975 Norm Graham, CE at the time of 'BZ, sent me out to Route 27 / Main Street in Natick to try to determine to source of electrical noise that was causing complaints. Couldn't find it but it is still there. Hopefully, Entercom will do the same to WEEI and WRKO so we can listen to the Red Sox. PS - Have yet to hear a legal ID for WODS HD-3. At 08:44 AM 2/12/2009, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > > Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. > At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ > in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). > I haven't heard it since, and there's no mention of it on either > the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. I'm not going to go off the deep > end and predict this is a precursor to moving the AM format to FM, > but how many people have HD radios to take advantage of this? > > > >What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in >just fine as well. From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Feb 13 12:14:33 2009 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:14:33 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Message-ID: Norm Graham... ohh that's a blast from my past, from some summer engineering stints there in the early-mid 70s. -- George From: Ron Bello To: SteveOrdinetz , Boston Radio Group Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:44:52 -0500 Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Back in 1975 Norm Graham, CE at the time of 'BZ, sent me out to Route 27 / Main Street in Natick to try to determine to source of electrical noise that was causing complaints. Couldn't find it but it is still there. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 13 12:25:18 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:25:18 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX Message-ID: <00137D38C1BF414C80EEB211C3A3D89F@SatU205S5044> As of today, Friday 2/13, a few minutes before noon, WXKS (AM) was programming separately from WKOX (AM) 1200. WKOX is still broadcasting en Espanol and I assume the format is still Rumba. WXKS is broadcasting in English. It is a music format called Automatic Radio 1430 (someone will have to tell me what genre of Rock it is; I'm no good at IDing Rock genres). As far as I'm able to tell, WKOX is still not running 50 kW. Compared with last September when WKOX et al began transmitting from Newton, when I tune to 1200, I can observe no increase in the small number of bars that appear on the CC Radio's signal-strength display. I'm expecting full power soon, though, because yesterday, the FCC accepted for filing applications from WKOX and WRCA for licenses to cover their upgraded facilities. My theory about WUNR is that its case is hung up in FCC red tape because its consulting engineers apparently failed to file for an extension of the station's CP before it expired last November. The consultants must have thought that no extension was necessary because last August the FCC had granted WUNR an STA to operate with its new antenna system but with its old 5 kW-U power until the end of this month. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Feb 13 12:28:09 2009 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:28:09 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 Message-ID: The answer, from Mark M., the WBZ radio CE: "Actually it is in the way the additional program channels are encoded. The HD-1 program is encoded in the exciter. The HD-2 and HD-3 are done on a computer that encodes it and delivers the complete bit stream to the exciter which the multiplexes it onto the data stream." -- George __________________________________________________ From: Garrett Wollman To: bri@bostonradio.org Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:28:48 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 I don't really know what sort of delays are considered typical for HD3 signals, but the WBZ audio on 103.3-3 seems to be about half a minute behind the (already delayed) 1030 audio. Are they running it off a stream or something? Surely there must be a low-delay audio path from 1170 over to Birmingham Parkway! -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 13:16:14 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:16:14 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18837.47342.310142.965858@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The answer, from Mark M., the WBZ radio CE: > "Actually it is in the way the additional program channels are > encoded. The HD-1 program is encoded in the exciter. The HD-2 and > HD-3 are done on a computer that encodes it and delivers the complete > bit stream to the exciter which the multiplexes it onto the data stream." That's not really an answer, though (and nothing I didn't already know). It doesn't explain the 30-second delay, although I suppose if you read between the lines it does limit where the delay could be being added. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 13 13:14:10 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:10 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX Message-ID: <20090213181411.4D89B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> I just tuned in to 1430--so far it's a song called "Low Expectations" as pointed out on radio-info, it's car czar Ernie Boch Jr and his rock group Ernie and the Automatics (bought time?)...indeed a website devoted to the group proclaims the release of a CD called "Low Expectations". New format or just bought time for a short period? From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 13 13:34:02 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:34:02 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX Message-ID: <20090213183402.2E97A83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Just heard the WXKS ID (with "Orgullo Latino", "Latin Pride") followed by an announcement saying "This program featuring Ernie and the Automatics is sponsored by Consumer Creativity". So it may just be a brokered time show promoting the CD put out by the car czar. COME ON DOWN! From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 13:55:39 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:55:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX References: <20090213181411.4D89B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <369948.67290.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Or part of a deal to have the Boch dealerships advertise with the local CC stations? I know that CSN's deal for the Subaru distributorship he owns includes 2 interviews during Celtics games and a couple on Sports Tonight during the year. ________________________________ From: Bob Nelson To: Dan.Strassberg ; Boston Radio Interest Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:14:10 PM Subject: Re: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX I just tuned in to 1430--so far it's a song called "Low Expectations" as pointed out on radio-info, it's car czar Ernie Boch Jr and his rock group Ernie and the Automatics (bought time?)...indeed a website devoted to the group proclaims the release of a CD called "Low Expectations". New format or just bought time for a short period? From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Feb 13 14:04:36 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:04:36 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX In-Reply-To: <369948.67290.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090213181411.4D89B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <369948.67290.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <268F7D0480AC4CDBA01B6A7FDE64308C@CurleyJoe> Since the album is having its release party on the 17th, I wonder if WXKS is doing this as part of a stunt prior to ending the simulcast with WKOX. If WKOX is really nearly ready to crank up the 50k transmitter finally, they won't need WXKS much longer. . I just tuned in to 1430--so far it's a song called "Low Expectations" as pointed out on radio-info, it's car czar Ernie Boch Jr and his rock group Ernie and the Automatics (bought time?)...indeed a website devoted to the group proclaims the release of a CD called "Low Expectations". New format or just bought time for a short period? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 14:52:00 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:52:00 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest Message-ID: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> I know Garret likes when people comment on things they post...but I will leave this for your own interpretation. Is this worth a news story? Basically a paperwok snafu? Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest Graham Charged With Driving With Revoked License http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18709669/detail.html Here's his own site: http://michaelgraham.com/ From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 13 15:30:32 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:30:32 -0700 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest In-Reply-To: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A1C332AC@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Is this worth a news story? Basically a paperwok snafu? Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest Graham Charged With Driving With Revoked License http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18709669/detail.html<< It's worth a news story if only to illustrate the all-too-common talk-show-host mentality these days, where he claims that he's too busy trying to push his on-air agenda to actually read his mail. IOW, "it's not my fault I didn't see the notice." Sure. We've never heard that excuse before. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:40:50 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:40:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Acutally he may be right. In an effort to cut costs the RMV is no longer mailing out renewal notices for drivers licences. I don't know if his was up before this started at the beginning of the year. And common sense would say to check yours when your birthday nears so you don't forget to renew. ________________________________ From: Don A To: BRI+ Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:52:00 PM Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest I know Garret likes when people comment on things they post...but I will leave this for your own interpretation. Is this worth a news story?? Basically a paperwok snafu? Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest Graham Charged With Driving With Revoked License http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/18709669/detail.html Here's his own site: http://michaelgraham.com/ From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Feb 13 16:03:15 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:03:15 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest In-Reply-To: <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31091946083436125035158347347647850220-Webmail@me.com> On Friday, February 13, 2009, at 03:40PM, "Maureen Carney" wrote: >Acutally he may be right. In an effort to cut costs the RMV is no > longer mailing out renewal notices for drivers licences. I don't > know if his was up before this started at the beginning of the > year. And common sense would say to check yours when > your birthday nears so you don't forget to renew. This seems more serious than a lack of a renewal notice, or "paperwork snafu." Apparently the license was suspended for some kind of insurance law violation. At least that's what the news story says. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:40:22 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <31091946083436125035158347347647850220-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <640979.33400.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> True - it's still his responsibility to make sure he had valid insurance on the car. Your license can be suspended for things you never even think of, like not getting a rabies shot for your pet. ________________________________ From: Mark Laurence To: Maureen Carney Cc: Don A ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:03:15 PM Subject: Re: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest On Friday, February 13, 2009, at 03:40PM, "Maureen Carney" wrote: >Acutally he may be right. In an effort to cut costs the RMV is no > longer mailing out renewal notices for drivers licences. I don't > know if his was up before this started at the beginning of the > year. And common sense would say to check yours when > your birthday nears so you don't forget to renew. This seems more serious than a lack of a renewal notice, or "paperwork snafu."? Apparently the license was suspended for some kind of insurance law violation.? At least that's what the news story says. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 13 16:46:36 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:46:36 -0600 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest In-Reply-To: <640979.33400.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <31091946083436125035158347347647850220-Webmail@me.com> <640979.33400.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902131346w5044be29td85d31c368d69a97@mail.gmail.com> My Massachusetts license wasn't suspended but I couldn't renew it until I paid a parking ticket in Montreal a couple of years ago. I did get a notice but it was in French From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 13 16:47:55 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:47:55 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest In-Reply-To: <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro> <718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A1C33400@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Acutally he may be right. In an effort to cut costs the RMV is no longer mailing out renewal notices for drivers licences. I don't know if his was up before this started at the beginning of the year. And common sense would say to check yours when your birthday nears so you don't forget to renew.<< This was not a non-renewal issue. His license was revoked for no insurance, and he says he was not notified of the revocation (such notification is still required by law). From ecps92@earthlink.net Fri Feb 13 17:52:30 2009 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:52:30 -0500 Subject: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest References: <548DB0467BCD4B2C90B9776D8927211F@MainXPPro><718902.82782.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <31091946083436125035158347347647850220-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <413E03E6D8DD4782BE2C5D980F2F735F@D60NFN81> He would have also gotten a notice from his Ins.Co informing him that if he did not make payment they would be notifying the Registry of Motor Vehicles and this would result in the Revocation of his Registration and Driver License Guess he doesn't open his Snail-Mail. There are other possibilities too, but such would be speculation Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak info at http://www.scannewengland.net/index.php?pageid=nesflogon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Maureen Carney" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" ; "Don A" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Talk Show Host Blames RMV For Arrest > > On Friday, February 13, 2009, at 03:40PM, "Maureen Carney" > wrote: >>Acutally he may be right. In an effort to cut costs the RMV is no >> longer mailing out renewal notices for drivers licences. I don't >> know if his was up before this started at the beginning of the >> year. And common sense would say to check yours when >> your birthday nears so you don't forget to renew. > > This seems more serious than a lack of a renewal notice, > or "paperwork snafu." Apparently the license was suspended > for some kind of insurance law violation. At least that's what > the news story says. > > > From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Feb 13 18:22:55 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:22:55 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX In-Reply-To: <00137D38C1BF414C80EEB211C3A3D89F@SatU205S5044> References: <00137D38C1BF414C80EEB211C3A3D89F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <67A88997ED7045348DBDD62751F7F71F@vpr1> Ernie (Ernie Boch) and the Automatics Radio SS -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:25 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX As of today, Friday 2/13, a few minutes before noon, WXKS (AM) was programming separately from WKOX (AM) 1200. WKOX is still broadcasting en Espanol and I assume the format is still Rumba. WXKS is broadcasting in English. It is a music format called Automatic Radio 1430 (someone will have to tell me what genre of Rock it is; I'm no good at IDing Rock genres). As far as I'm able to tell, WKOX is still not running 50 kW. Compared with last September when WKOX et al began transmitting from Newton, when I tune to 1200, I can observe no increase in the small number of bars that appear on the CC Radio's signal-strength display. I'm expecting full power soon, though, because yesterday, the FCC accepted for filing applications from WKOX and WRCA for licenses to cover their upgraded facilities. My theory about WUNR is that its case is hung up in FCC red tape because its consulting engineers apparently failed to file for an extension of the station's CP before it expired last November. The consultants must have thought that no extension was necessary because last August the FCC had granted WUNR an STA to operate with its new antenna system but with its old 5 kW-U power until the end of this month. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 18:36:36 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:36:36 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not so. Listening to 'BZ at night right here in Sandwich Mass is kinda like listening to KSL. And, I'm guessing that we're probably too far from the 103.3 HD3 to get it clearly?? I recently heard a caller on the Steve Leveille the Sequel Broadcast that 40 miles or so is the limit for good reception for HD. Paul Currier Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the > end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies > 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it > since, and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web > sites. I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a > precursor to moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD > radios to take advantage of this? > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in just fine as well. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 13 18:44:52 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:44:52 -0600 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> The limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the station.... If you're a Class A FM , the HD is going to be good for barely, not even.. 10 miles... Oh the 25,000 and 50,000 watt FMs.. you'll get about 25 miles or so. Paul Walker On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM, pbencurrier wrote: > Not so. Listening to 'BZ at night right here in Sandwich Mass is kinda like > listening to KSL. > > And, I'm guessing that we're probably too far from the 103.3 HD3 to get it > clearly?? I recently heard a caller on the Steve Leveille the Sequel > Broadcast that 40 miles or so is the limit for good reception for HD. > > Paul Currier > Cape Cod > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Maureen Carney > wrote: > >> Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the >> end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies >> 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to that effect). I haven't heard it since, >> and there's no mention of it on either the WBZ or Oldies 103.3 web sites. >> I'm not going to go off the deep end and predict this is a precursor to >> moving the AM format to FM, but how many people have HD radios to take >> advantage of this? >> >> > What does this gain WBZ? Anywhere 103.3 is audible, 1030 comes in > just fine as well. > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 13 18:56:04 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:56:04 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > The limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the > station.... In my experience, the limit actually depends much more on what is, or isn't, on the adjacent channels. (Which makes sense, considering that's where the HD data is actually traveling.) I can pull in HD from class B WWHT 107.9 Syracuse, at about 70 miles, with my rooftop antenna and Sony XDR-F1HD tuner...but can't get a lick of HD from superpower B (100 kW) WYYY 94.5 Syracuse, less than a mile from WWHT. Why? Because while there's nothing in the way of WWHT's upper sideband (and the Yagi gets a reasonable null on WLKK 107.7, 45 miles in the other direction), WYYY's HD sidebands are smothered on both sides - on the low end by the HD of local WZNE 94.1, less than a mile from me, and on the high end by translator W234AZ 94.7, also less than a mile away. This is especially true in the northeast, where just about everything is shortspaced these days. s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 13 18:57:23 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:57:23 -0600 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> I think your results are a little out of the ordinary... how many people have a top notch tuner and rooftop antenna? So to say your results are normal would be unfair;) Paul Walker On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> The limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the >> station.... >> > > In my experience, the limit actually depends much more on what is, or > isn't, on the adjacent channels. (Which makes sense, considering that's > where the HD data is actually traveling.) > > I can pull in HD from class B WWHT 107.9 Syracuse, at about 70 miles, with > my rooftop antenna and Sony XDR-F1HD tuner...but can't get a lick of HD from > superpower B (100 kW) WYYY 94.5 Syracuse, less than a mile from WWHT. Why? > Because while there's nothing in the way of WWHT's upper sideband (and the > Yagi gets a reasonable null on WLKK 107.7, 45 miles in the other direction), > WYYY's HD sidebands are smothered on both sides - on the low end by the HD > of local WZNE 94.1, less than a mile from me, and on the high end by > translator W234AZ 94.7, also less than a mile away. > > This is especially true in the northeast, where just about everything is > shortspaced these days. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 13 18:59:02 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:59:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49960946.8090107@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I think your results are a little out of the ordinary... how many people > have a top notch tuner and rooftop antenna? So to say your results are > normal would be unfair;) I think you're missing my point completely. Go back and re-read the message more slowly. s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 13 19:01:17 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:01:17 -0600 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <49960946.8090107@fybush.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> <49960946.8090107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902131601h51ec3512sb8bc4d44197ee614@mail.gmail.com> Scott, I completely understood what you said, but you were somewhat implying a Class B FM could have an HD signal for 70 miles and that was normal. Paul Walker On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> I think your results are a little out of the ordinary... how many people >> have a top notch tuner and rooftop antenna? So to say your results are >> normal would be unfair;) >> > > I think you're missing my point completely. Go back and re-read the message > more slowly. > > s > From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 13 19:16:00 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:16:00 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80902131601h51ec3512sb8bc4d44197ee614@mail.gmail.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> <49960946.8090107@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131601h51ec3512sb8bc4d44197ee614@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49960D40.3060403@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Scott, > > I completely understood what you said, but you were somewhat implying a > Class B FM could have an HD signal for 70 miles and that was normal. No, you still haven't understood what I said at all. You asserted that "the limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the station." That may be true in rural Nebraska, were there any HD signals on the air out there. That's not the case along the I-95 corridor. To use a real-world example that doesn't involve rooftop Yagis, let's take WPRO-FM in Providence. By itself, its HD coverage would probably be limited to 30-35 miles or so on a typical receiver, simply as a function of its power level, as you claim. In the real world, I suspect WPRO-FM's HD coverage is rather more limited than that, thanks to short-spaced first-adjacent WXRV 92.5. Such situations are more common than not in the northeast, and as a Connecticut native, I'd think you'd have remembered that. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 13 19:22:48 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:22:48 -0600 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <18837.47342.310142.965858@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18837.47342.310142.965858@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770902131622o64f98b68xb3e42646393cc22c@mail.gmail.com> Can the delay be partly explained by the receiver itself? I know I can have my XM portable and fixed units 3-5 seconds different. Also my Motorola cable boxes can sometimes be 5 seconds apart which can cause havoc when people are watching a game in separate rooms. Still 30 seconds is a lot. From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 13 19:41:52 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:41:52 -0700 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902131622o64f98b68xb3e42646393cc22c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18837.47342.310142.965858@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770902131622o64f98b68xb3e42646393cc22c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A1C334D9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Can the delay be partly explained by the receiver itself?<< Probably in part. Any part of the signal path which is digital will introduce delay, beginning at the station with digital audio sources, consoles and processing, proceeding through a digital path to the transmitter (these days T1 lines are common non-radio STLs) and being transmitted through a digital exciter. The signal path through a digital receiver also introduces delay. I don't know how many of those items I listed are in WBZ's signal path, but with their effects being cumulative a 30-second delay is probably not unreasonable. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Feb 13 10:40:19 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:40:19 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 Message-ID: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> It's not the STL. All FM multicast channels have an inexplicable delay of approximately 90 seconds; it happens in the IBOC encoding processed. Last I checked, nobody had really figured out why....and the encoding algorithm and procedure is all a "black box"; despite valiant efforts the NRSC ultimated voted to allow iBiquity to keep that part of the standard proprietary. And it's not a priority for iBiquity to figure out, so odds are we'll never know why it happens. (shrugs) Personally I think it's kinda handy, since it usually takes a minimum of 10 seconds to tune to a station's multicast channel and hear audio. So a nice fat delay means I don't have to worry about missing any part of the show. Question for those of you in Boston: which sounds the best? WODS-HD3, WBZ-AM or WBZ-AM-HD? I mean, of course each sounds DIFFERENT, but which sounds the best to your ears and why? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm I don't really know what sort of delays are considered typical for HD3 signals, but the WBZ audio on 103.3-3 seems to be about half a minute behind the (already delayed) 1030 audio. Are they running it off a stream or something? Surely there must be a low-delay audio path from 1170 over to Birmingham Parkway! -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 21:33:21 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:33:21 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> References: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18838.11633.704785.784570@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Question for those of you in Boston: which sounds the best? WODS-HD3, > WBZ-AM or WBZ-AM-HD? I mean, of course each sounds DIFFERENT, but > which sounds the best to your ears and why? WODS-HD3 definitely sounds better than regular WBZ here, but that's in part because the only radio that gets an acceptable analog signal is my Sony 2010, and I have to keep it on narrow filter to avoid an irritating heterodyne. I do think it's too bassy; I wonder if they're using the same processing as the analog. I can't decode WBZ's HD here -- too much QRM. -GAWollman From ncn86@hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 20:03:27 2009 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:03:27 -0500 Subject: HD or nothing sometimes Message-ID: ---(I completely understood what you said, but you were somewhat implying aClass B FM could have an HD signal for 70 miles and that was normal. Paul Walker)--- Seems to me like sometimes that sentence could be right. Being in Merrimack NH, there is a LP FM in Londonderry NH called WLLO, Londonderry Schools own station. Because of them, I could not pick up WBLM in Portland. Now, with my HD Radio, I turn the antenna towards Portland, and after about 4 seconds, the reciever picks up the HD signal and completely takes over WLLO! With their transmitter somewhere north of Portland, thats at least 80 miles by air! Same with WWBB in Providence, usually recieves interference from WWHQ in Meredith, but the HD signal always comes in great whether the analog signal does or not. But, WWLI's HD siganl does not come in very well at any time. And WPRO-fm's HD signal is rarely ever there. Providence is quite a distance though, lucky to be picking them up at all i guess. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Feb 13 21:46:33 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:46:33 -0500 Subject: HD or nothing sometimes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448D105AAB2D420D937BEBE55B1F40C7@DHPP0DB1> > Seems to me like sometimes that sentence could be right. Being in > Merrimack NH, there is a LP FM in Londonderry NH called WLLO, Londonderry > Schools own station. Because of them, I could not pick up WBLM in > Portland. Now, with my HD Radio, I turn the antenna towards Portland, and > after about 4 seconds, the reciever picks up the HD signal and completely > takes over WLLO! With their transmitter somewhere north of Portland, thats > at least 80 miles by air! Same with WWBB in Providence, usually recieves > interference from WWHQ in Meredith, but the HD signal always comes in > great whether the analog signal does or not. > But, WWLI's HD siganl does not come in very well at any time. And WPRO- > fm's HD signal is rarely ever there. Providence is quite a distance > though, lucky to be picking them up at all i guess. Having a directional FM antenna set up at a house is more than 95% of FM radio listeners have though. I've got an APS-13 antenna on the roof here, and obviously do quite well decoding the HDs when I point it in the right direction, depending on how clear the adjacents are. I live about 20 miles south of Boston, and am able to decode the major Class B Boston FMs in HD fine as I drive around. 97.7 WKAF, which is a few miles closer is very difficult to hold a steady decode on, being only a class A. 93.7 WMKK comes in about 90% of the time in HD in the car around here. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 21:48:16 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies Message-ID: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The FCC has now released a list of stations which have rescinded their requests to go all-digital on the original transition date. The list includes, among others: WIVT (34 Binghamton), WETM-TV (18 Elmira), and the entire Dayton, Ohio, market. The FCC is evaluating the "alternative showing" of WWNY-TV (7 Watertown), and will allow the remaining stations which timely filed a request to leave the air, including WBNG-TV (12 Binghamton), WCAX-TV (3 Burlington), WFFF-TV (44 Burlington), WVNY (22 Burlington), WNNE (31 Hartford), WPTZ (5 North Pole), WLNE-TV (6 New Bedford), WJAR (10 Providence), WNAC-TV (64 Providence), WPRI-TV (12 Providence), and WWLP (22 Springfield). Conspicuously absent from all of the lists are the stations of New Hampshire Public Television, which have been running a crawl announcing a February 17th shutoff. Did they not timely refile their request? -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 21:55:42 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:55:42 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies (II) In-Reply-To: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18838.12974.557512.681090@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Conspicuously absent from all of the lists are the stations of New > Hampshire Public Television, which have been running a crawl > announcing a February 17th shutoff. Did they not timely refile their > request? But now I see that, because they were not listed in the appendix to the "February 11 Public Notice", they were not required to make a public-interest showing and so are able to terminate analog service. Were any non-comms required to make such a showing? -GAWollman From keith.fornal@cox.net Fri Feb 13 22:29:53 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:29:53 -0500 Subject: HD or nothing sometimes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ABA948DDA449D6B1BED3F7C6E6DF3D@KeithPC> You might want to try WWLI and WPRO-FM again if you haven't tried them recently. They only recently put their HD back on after a 6+ month absence. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Nickolas Noseworthy Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:03 PM To: Boston Radio Mailing List Subject: HD or nothing sometimes ---(I completely understood what you said, but you were somewhat implying aClass B FM could have an HD signal for 70 miles and that was normal. Paul Walker)--- Seems to me like sometimes that sentence could be right. Being in Merrimack NH, there is a LP FM in Londonderry NH called WLLO, Londonderry Schools own station. Because of them, I could not pick up WBLM in Portland. Now, with my HD Radio, I turn the antenna towards Portland, and after about 4 seconds, the reciever picks up the HD signal and completely takes over WLLO! With their transmitter somewhere north of Portland, thats at least 80 miles by air! Same with WWBB in Providence, usually recieves interference from WWHQ in Meredith, but the HD signal always comes in great whether the analog signal does or not. But, WWLI's HD siganl does not come in very well at any time. And WPRO-fm's HD signal is rarely ever there. Providence is quite a distance though, lucky to be picking them up at all i guess. _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009= From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 23:18:31 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:18:31 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies In-Reply-To: References: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18838.17943.206672.929660@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Per an article on projo.com, WJAR and WPRI will drop analog as scheduled on > 2/17. WNAC will remain on for 2 additional weeks and WLNE will remain on > for 60 days. WNAC and WLNE will only be showing local news and the DTV > informational screens and videos. > http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/02/only-two-tv-sta.html#447990 The reporter appears to have forgotten about WPXQ. (It's OK, nobody else ever thinks about it either.) He also doesn't appear to have quite understood the FCC's decision (perhaps because he didn't bother to read it, preferring instead to regurgitate a press release). Of course, there's also WRIW-CA (channel 50), but I don't suppose the ProJo readership has much interest in it. (And nearly everyone in the Providence market who has an antenna 30 feet above ground, like the FCC thinks they should, would have no trouble receiving the Boston network affiliates.) WNAC-TV will be moving its DTV from channel 54 to channel 12 at the same time, so consumers won't be expected to rescan twice. -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Feb 13 23:29:46 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:29:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <49960D40.3060403@fybush.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ff2be350902120544t5d2487a7pda032186b6c7002d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> <49960894.2070804@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131557vb5904dcl78e67c408c75f6de@mail.gmail.com> <49960946.8090107@fybush.com> <8bce0fe80902131601h51ec3512sb8bc4d44197ee614@mail.gmail.com> <49960D40.3060403@fybush.com> Message-ID: <959A880C-1F5A-4632-AEFC-7C80334900C7@charter.net> Plus, don't forget about WWYZ/Waterbury and WLNG/Sag Harbor from the west and south, respectively. Those stations always gave me fits when I tried to pull in PRO-FM growing up in Colchester, CT. I never had a problem recieving WHJY or WSNE since there wasn't much short-spacing issues on those stations. Ironically, I believe Colchester is Paul's hometown as well.... -Dave Tomm On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> Scott, >> I completely understood what you said, but you were somewhat >> implying a Class B FM could have an HD signal for 70 miles and that >> was normal. > > No, you still haven't understood what I said at all. > > You asserted that "the limit for good reception all depends on the > power level of the station." > > That may be true in rural Nebraska, were there any HD signals on the > air out there. > > That's not the case along the I-95 corridor. > > To use a real-world example that doesn't involve rooftop Yagis, > let's take WPRO-FM in Providence. > > By itself, its HD coverage would probably be limited to 30-35 miles > or so on a typical receiver, simply as a function of its power > level, as you claim. > > In the real world, I suspect WPRO-FM's HD coverage is rather more > limited than that, thanks to short-spaced first-adjacent WXRV 92.5. > > Such situations are more common than not in the northeast, and as a > Connecticut native, I'd think you'd have remembered that. > > s From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 13 23:54:47 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:54:47 -0500 Subject: DTV and the "Stimulus Package" Message-ID: <18838.20119.54885.39619@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The final version of H.R. 1 includes $650 million for NTIA to support the digital transition, including more converter-box coupons and outreach programs for vulnerable populations. -GAWollman From keith.fornal@cox.net Fri Feb 13 22:35:13 2009 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:35:13 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies In-Reply-To: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Per an article on projo.com, WJAR and WPRI will drop analog as scheduled on 2/17. WNAC will remain on for 2 additional weeks and WLNE will remain on for 60 days. WNAC and WLNE will only be showing local news and the DTV informational screens and videos. http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/02/only-two-tv-sta.html#447990 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:48 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: DTV Follies The FCC has now released a list of stations which have rescinded their requests to go all-digital on the original transition date. The list includes, among others: WIVT (34 Binghamton), WETM-TV (18 Elmira), and the entire Dayton, Ohio, market. The FCC is evaluating the "alternative showing" of WWNY-TV (7 Watertown), and will allow the remaining stations which timely filed a request to leave the air, including WBNG-TV (12 Binghamton), WCAX-TV (3 Burlington), WFFF-TV (44 Burlington), WVNY (22 Burlington), WNNE (31 Hartford), WPTZ (5 North Pole), WLNE-TV (6 New Bedford), WJAR (10 Providence), WNAC-TV (64 Providence), WPRI-TV (12 Providence), and WWLP (22 Springfield). Conspicuously absent from all of the lists are the stations of New Hampshire Public Television, which have been running a crawl announcing a February 17th shutoff. Did they not timely refile their request? -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 14 00:40:02 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:40:02 -0500 Subject: WTTT Calls Return (But Not In Boston) Message-ID: <380-2200926145402843@ix.netcom.com> Actually, counting the length of time the WTTT call existed in Amherst, pre Boston, I would have used a subject line of: "WTTT Calls Return (But Not In Amherst)" You see, my loyalty to Amherst is that, many years ago, WTTT Amherst was the 1st AM pattern I plotted by calculations based on antenna parameters. Since then I have learned much more, (though still a beginner compared to some folks in this group), and plotted soooo many pattern. And now the FCC posts patterns in the public data base. (but I still run my math/programs to check). Still, thanls for the update. Bob > [Original Message] > From: Laurence Glavin > To: > Date: 2/12/2009 3:59:44 PM > Subject: WTTT Calls Return (But Not In Boston) From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Feb 14 01:03:21 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:03:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WBZ was HD2 Message-ID: <20031500.1234591401726.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Jeff Lehmann" > > Hmm, WODS's HD signal did not even come on the air for > the first time until a couple weeks ago. "The Cove" seems > to be very repetitive, and is very similar to WMJX's format. > Hopefully this is just temporary, because it would be nice > if they would air older oldies, as was originally the plan. WODS may have a reason for going with a "soft AC" format on the HD-2. WMJX has been WODS' main competition for a couple of decades (WROR is less so, due to their lower ratings, and it hasn't been around as long in its classic hits format). IF HD ever catches on, perhaps WODS may be hoping to take a piece of the "soft AC" pie from main competitor WMJX by offering commercial-free HD-2 competition, and erode WMJX's ratings lead over WODS a little bit for their main channels. It would make more strategic sense than offering an HD-2 for the demographic that sponsors consider too old ('50s and early '60s oldies), though that would have been the one I'd have listened to. I won't be listening to "The Cove", but I'm 52 years old, which is already considered to be a demographic geezer. EP From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 14 01:07:09 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:07:09 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> References: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4996193D.26727.83DBFB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Feb 2009 at 10:40, Aaron Read wrote: > Personally I think it's kinda handy, since it usually takes a minimum > of 10 seconds to tune to a station's multicast channel and hear audio. > So a nice fat delay means I don't have to worry about missing any > part of the show. Maybe it's handy, but it throws off the time tone on the hour. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 14 00:25:54 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:25:54 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <18838.11633.704785.784570@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> <18838.11633.704785.784570@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I haven't gotten an HD radio yet, so most of the time in my home office I just stream WBZ from I-Tunes. It's just easier and sounds better than OTA.... -Dave Tomm On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> Question for those of you in Boston: which sounds the best? WODS- >> HD3, >> WBZ-AM or WBZ-AM-HD? I mean, of course each sounds DIFFERENT, but >> which sounds the best to your ears and why? > > WODS-HD3 definitely sounds better than regular WBZ here, but that's in > part because the only radio that gets an acceptable analog signal is > my Sony 2010, and I have to keep it on narrow filter to avoid an > irritating heterodyne. I do think it's too bassy; I wonder if they're > using the same processing as the analog. I can't decode WBZ's HD > here -- too much QRM. > > -GAWollman > From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Feb 14 01:15:09 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:15:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Message-ID: <26066082.1234592109693.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Paul Anderson" > > It might be the result of an improperly-installed (or no) > audio filter that causes lots of noise when my car engine > is running, but WBZ is unlistenable west of Nashua for me. Could be a bad antenna (or other) ground. EP From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sat Feb 14 08:39:06 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:39:06 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80902131544m1e8a0e68tc399829f2ba8cfb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF22B69956E4701896210A1D89C2F16@hpomnibook2> On a good day in York, Maine, I can pick-up WBLM's HD Stream using a roof antenna mounted on top of a 10' mast in my front yard. I use the Radiosophy radio and Sony tuner. In rare instances, I have also received HD stream of 93.3 out of Portland, and of course the usual, my locals: WHEB, WERZ, 96.7-The Wave, WSKS, WMEA, and WUNH. Recently, I upgraded the AM antenna to a CCrane loop with tunable amplifier. Prior to that, the only AM=HD signal I could get was WBZ, ironically. (Says a lot for that 50K signal) Using the CCrane set-up, I now pick-up the following AM-HD's: WBZ, WMYF, WGIP, and WGIN. When I put the roof antenna this spring up on the Chimney, I'm hoping for more FM-HD signals, as well as DTV signals. Right now for TV, I can pick-up Channel 9, 21, 11, and sometimes one more (all religion), in DTV. Now, wouldn't it be nice if the broadcasters made some good programming use of all these channels! SS -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:45 PM To: pbencurrier Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 The limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the station.... If you're a Class A FM , the HD is going to be good for barely, not even.. 10 miles... Oh the 25,000 and 50,000 watt FMs.. you'll get about 25 miles or so. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Feb 14 09:33:07 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:33:07 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies In-Reply-To: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4996d645.e203be0a.107b.6c51@mx.google.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > The FCC is evaluating the >"alternative showing" of WWNY-TV (7 Watertown), and will allow the >remaining stations which timely filed a request to leave the air, >including WBNG-TV (12 Binghamton), WCAX-TV (3 Burlington), WFFF-TV (44 >Burlington), WVNY (22 Burlington), WNNE (31 Hartford), WPTZ (5 North >Pole), As of last night WCAX was still running crawls & PSAs stating that they intend to observe the 2/17 analog shutoff. In Burlington at least, it seems like it has to be an "everyone or no one" situation...if I'm not mistaken WCAX's digital signal is moving to Ch 22. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Feb 14 11:30:01 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:30:01 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <18838.11633.704785.784570@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49959463.8000401@gmail.com> <18838.11633.704785.784570@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <009501c98ec1$7c1f53f0$745dfbd0$@com> I did my non-scientific test last night in my studio. With a simple straight wire antenna in the office at 11PM WBZ-1030 was listenable but with a whistle, WBZ-HD was very clean but has always seemed excessively "bright" and spitty, WODS-HD3 sounded like FM talk. If I were in the mood to listen to BZ at that time it would have been in the reverse order (HD-3, HD, WBZ). This "test" was done in Peabody using a Sangean HDR-1 tuner. Brian > WODS-HD3 definitely sounds better than regular WBZ here, but that's in > part because the only radio that gets an acceptable analog signal is > my Sony 2010, and I have to keep it on narrow filter to avoid an > irritating heterodyne. I do think it's too bassy; I wonder if they're > using the same processing as the analog. I can't decode WBZ's HD > here -- too much QRM. > > -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 14 11:31:39 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:31:39 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies In-Reply-To: <4996d645.e203be0a.107b.6c51@mx.google.com> References: <18838.12528.147769.738951@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4996d645.e203be0a.107b.6c51@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <18838.61931.316083.639545@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > As of last night WCAX was still running crawls & PSAs stating that > they intend to observe the 2/17 analog shutoff. Yes, the whole market was on the list. Since 3 and 5 had already volunteered to run "nightlight" programming the FCC probably didn't consider it a huge problem. > In Burlington at least, it seems like it has to be an "everyone or > no one" situation...if I'm not mistaken WCAX's digital signal is > moving to Ch 22. It is, although that's actually a separate thing. Turning off the analog, and moving from transitional to permanent DTV, require distinct filings (the former legal and the latter engineering) before the Commission, and it's not necessary to do both at the same time. (There are a few stations which have been approved to turn off their analog signals but which cannot switch their DTVs for engineering reasons.) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 14 14:34:09 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:34:09 -0500 Subject: WNSH weekend show Message-ID: I saw a poster today in the window of a local convenience store here in Arlington advertising a program to be aired Sundays from noon to 3:00PM on WLYN and WAZN. From the photo on the poster, I'd guess that the host is in his late seventies or early eighties. He has a very Italian-sounding name, so I am wondering whether he voices the program in Italian. I'm also wondering whether this might be the same fellow who does or did a weekend program (Saturday afternoons, IIRC) on WNSH. The program featured/features what I would call adult standards music by artists who are either Italian or of Italian descent. Could be the same host. The WNSH program was voiced in a mixture of Italian and very heavily Italian-accented English. I don't remember the name of the program host and I could not find it on the WNSH Web site. The guy might have moved the show from WNSH to WLYN/WAZN or he could be branching out. Sounded like he got a big kick out of doing radio and, in election season, stumping for McCain and explaining why there was no way Obama could beat him. If somebody can post the name of the guy who does/did the show on WNSH and the convenience store hasn't removed the poster the next time I go there, I can figure out whether it's the same guy who is now on WLYN/WAZN. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 14 16:11:39 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:11:39 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX In-Reply-To: <268F7D0480AC4CDBA01B6A7FDE64308C@CurleyJoe> References: <20090213181411.4D89B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <369948.67290.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <268F7D0480AC4CDBA01B6A7FDE64308C@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <147758771232237332817081893086680661967-Webmail@me.com> What album? I'm lost on this one. Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, FL On Friday, February 13, 2009, at 02:04PM, "Jim Hall" wrote: >Since the album is having its release party on the 17th, I wonder if WXKS is >doing this as part of a stunt prior to ending the simulcast with WKOX. If >WKOX is really nearly ready to crank up the 50k transmitter finally, they >won't need WXKS much longer. > From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 14 16:19:40 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 In-Reply-To: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <293039.89744.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7224393812061017184044401099403113306-Webmail@me.com> On Thursday, February 12, 2009, at 08:17AM, "Maureen Carney" wrote: >Yesterday morning around 6:57 I was listening to WBZ in the car. At the end of the segment, Deb Lawler mentioned to "listen to WBZ in HD on Oldies 103.3 HD channel 2" (or something to >that effect). I've been in Florida since Wednesday, I wasn't aware that WODS had turned on their HD. When did that happen? Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, FL (actually the Apple store in Wellington, FL) From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 14 16:26:53 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:26:53 -0500 Subject: WBZ 1030 on 103.3 HD2 Message-ID: <118697766290914894122758701077906811593-Webmail@me.com> On Friday, February 13, 2009, at 06:44PM, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: >The limit for good reception all depends on the power level of the >station.... If you're a Class A FM , the HD is going to be good for barely, >not even.. 10 miles... > A lot also depends upon if there are any strong (or even not-so-strong) signals on the adjacent channels at your listening location. Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, FL From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 18:02:40 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:02:40 -0500 Subject: WXKS (AM) 1430 no longer simulcasting WKOX In-Reply-To: <147758771232237332817081893086680661967-Webmail@me.com> References: <20090213181411.4D89B49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <369948.67290.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <268F7D0480AC4CDBA01B6A7FDE64308C@CurleyJoe> <147758771232237332817081893086680661967-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902141502wf32b783q9aa2c5deb46b502b@mail.gmail.com> Ernie Boch Jr and his group Ernie and the Automatics have an album out in a few days and this is to promote it; however I understand the format, as has been said, goes back to Rumba in early March From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 18:10:45 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:10:45 -0500 Subject: WNSH weekend show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902141510t3c6e95b0o17f40825fcb9b5de@mail.gmail.com> That sounds like Antonio, whose "Radio Minestrone" show has run for years on WNSH. When Doug Mascott used to do local music from 6 to 8 pm on Sat. nights, it was followed by him (we'd let him in to the Endicott Campus Center where their studios are). I do remember tuning in once while eating some pizza in Salem and he was talking about why he was for McCain, etc. He has a tailor shop in Peabody which also advertises on WNSH (a woman's voice does that one but he also plugs it during his show) It indeed is the same kind of adult standards by Italian-American artists you mention. He IS still on WNSH. He's on right now (I'm a mile away--right now he's speaking in Italian...giving some phone numbers; now he's talking in English saying "you can advertise for $21 a minute--(back to Italian) Now he's mentioning some of the other shows on-- "my girlfriend is Laura Ingraham pretty soon we're gonna have a nice dinner!" Now he's telling himself to stop talking :) Oops, now he's promoting his tailor shop. Here's a sound clip of him http://raccoonradio.freehostia.com/antonio.mp3 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 18:15:44 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:15:44 -0500 Subject: WNSH weekend show In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0902141510t3c6e95b0o17f40825fcb9b5de@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0902141510t3c6e95b0o17f40825fcb9b5de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902141515v68ccbc02v8b5e792a53311e64@mail.gmail.com> His tailor shop is on Cross St in Peabody, right off Rt 114. I'm trying to remember his last name...Guarino? http://local.yahoo.com/info-10127197-antonio-tailor-shop-peabody Now I think he's saying he's on air from 4 to 11 on Saturdays, and he's mentioning his ad rate again. "Buy everything made in this country. We gotta help the United States of America...looka' the label..." Finally a song... It sounds like "Love Story Theme" by a male singer From rbello@belloassoc.com Sat Feb 14 19:19:26 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:19:26 -0500 Subject: WBZ was HD2 In-Reply-To: <20031500.1234591401726.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20031500.1234591401726.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <90ec04420902141619n1e6a0773m55261db2ed30a06e@mail.gmail.com> and CBS has had some success with their Fresh FM AC format in other cities On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > From: "Jeff Lehmann" > > > > Hmm, WODS's HD signal did not even come on the air for > > the first time until a couple weeks ago. "The Cove" seems > > to be very repetitive, and is very similar to WMJX's format. > > Hopefully this is just temporary, because it would be nice > > if they would air older oldies, as was originally the plan. > > WODS may have a reason for going with a "soft AC" format on > the HD-2. WMJX has been WODS' main competition for a couple > of decades (WROR is less so, due to their lower ratings, and > it hasn't been around as long in its classic hits format). > > IF HD ever catches on, perhaps WODS may be hoping to take > a piece of the "soft AC" pie from main competitor WMJX by > offering commercial-free HD-2 competition, and erode WMJX's > ratings lead over WODS a little bit for their main channels. > > It would make more strategic sense than offering an HD-2 > for the demographic that sponsors consider too old ('50s > and early '60s oldies), though that would have been the > one I'd have listened to. I won't be listening to "The > Cove", but I'm 52 years old, which is already considered > to be a demographic geezer. > > EP > > > > -- Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Feb 14 19:45:59 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:45:59 -0500 Subject: Oops, I almost forgot Message-ID: <00ac01c98f06$c5432ee0$4fc98ca0$@com> Happy Birthday Donna! Brian From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 14 22:08:38 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:08:38 -0500 Subject: WBZ was HD2 References: <20031500.1234591401726.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006b01c98f1a$b322e520$03824c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Polonsky > WODS may have a reason for going with a "soft AC" format on > the HD-2. WMJX has been WODS' main competition for a couple > of decades (WROR is less so, due to their lower ratings, and > it hasn't been around as long in its classic hits format). > > IF HD ever catches on, perhaps WODS may be hoping to take > a piece of the "soft AC" pie from main competitor WMJX by > offering commercial-free HD-2 competition, and erode WMJX's > ratings lead over WODS a little bit for their main channels. > > It would make more strategic sense than offering an HD-2 > for the demographic that sponsors consider too old ('50s > and early '60s oldies), though that would have been the > one I'd have listened to. I won't be listening to "The > Cove", but I'm 52 years old, which is already considered > to be a demographic geezer. > > EP Although the HD-2s will eventually air commercials, if enough receivers ever make it into the hands of the public. (Maybe standard-equipment arrangements with the automakers should satellite radio go bust, or should, as rumored, a hostile takeover by EchoStar result in a move to scuttle Sirius XM and repurpose the spectrum to wireless broadband?) As I've always understood it, the intention was never to provide commercial-free competition to FM but rather to hook the listeners on continuous music in genres not represented on FM, then work in advertising as HD penetration reaches critical mass. Howard From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 22:41:56 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV Follies - NHPTV Message-ID: <939323.67084.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NH Public Television has stated they are sticking to switching on Feb 17 to prevent a $60,000 expense to extend until June, which there is no room in the budget for.? Channel 11 analog has already been at 50% power since around the beginning of December 2008. ? John B Derry NH ? ? From markwats@comcast.net Sun Feb 15 07:23:37 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:23:37 -0500 Subject: Is Woody Woodland gone from WCAP, or just moved References: <483165.33263.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Bolduc wrote: > The time slot usually on Thursday from 1:00 to 3:00 pm Calling All > Collectors With Gary Sohmers is moving to Tuesday from this point forward > on WCAP 980AM Lowell. > > The Tuesday timeslot is/was the home of Tuesday with Woody (Woodland). In > announcing the move of Calling All Collectors to Tuesday, there is no > mention of what's happening to Woody. Woody & Gary merely swapped days. I heard the beginning of Woody Woodland's show this past Thursday. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 12:28:41 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:28:41 -0500 Subject: WNSH weekend show In-Reply-To: <9B03B7F8BF84469F9BE3B5914839E402@SatU205S5044> References: <1fbbbced0902141510t3c6e95b0o17f40825fcb9b5de@mail.gmail.com> <9B03B7F8BF84469F9BE3B5914839E402@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902150928t565b856ej2deaade9d905c7e1@mail.gmail.com> I thought his last name was Guarino and now I know for sure: I went to the site that archives webpages (archive.org) and typed in wnsh.com, then just picked an entry from 2005 or so. The current WNSH page doesn't list his show but under the 2005 version it says: >>8 PM - 10 PM Antonio Guarino, "Minestrone" He could be doing that show under a different name but again, according to my own memory plus the stored WNSH webpage, his last name is Guarino. --Bob Nelson From lglavin@mail.com Sun Feb 15 15:09:44 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:09:44 -0500 Subject: DTV Follies - NHPTV Message-ID: <20090215200944.C7B45326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Bolduc" >To: bri@bostonradio.org, "Garrett Wollman" >Subject: Re: DTV Follies - NHPTV >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) >NH Public Television has stated they are sticking to switching on >Feb 17 to prevent a $60,000 expense to extend until June, which >there is no room in the budget for.? Channel 11 analog has already >been at 50% power since around the beginning of December 2008. ? >John B >Derry NH ? That's odd...in Methuen I get 'NO SIGNAL' at all from WENH-DT channel 57, but when I turn my digital-to-analog box off, WENH-TV channel 11 comes in just fine (not quite as well as the closer WMUR-TV channel 9, but ok nonetheless). I'm looking forward to WENH-DT on channel 11 to see how well it performs. It will be the only DT-on-VHF I can expect to receive until June. (The other: WHDH-DT channel 7) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 15 18:54:42 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:54:42 -0600 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? Message-ID: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> Looking at the spring training media guide for the Olde Town Team and looking at the radio network list it says Buffalo, NY WWKB or WGR I do know the Yankees have moved to low power WECK in Cheektowga so it looks like Entercom wants to use an inhouse product. From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 15 19:05:23 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:05:23 -0500 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4998ADC3.3020905@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Looking at the spring training media guide for the Olde Town Team and > looking at the radio network list it says > > Buffalo, NY WWKB or WGR > > I do know the Yankees have moved to low power WECK in Cheektowga so it > looks like Entercom wants to use an inhouse product. > That would be some truly awesome news...I've been arguing for a very long time that there's a substantial and VERY underserved Sox fan base in western NY that would be desirable to advertisers. Maybe someone was listening after all! :-) s From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:30:19 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:30:19 -0500 Subject: WNSH weekend show In-Reply-To: <0DCF5951C72D43B984F8A07C33CABEDA@SatU205S5044> References: <1fbbbced0902141510t3c6e95b0o17f40825fcb9b5de@mail.gmail.com> <9B03B7F8BF84469F9BE3B5914839E402@SatU205S5044> <1fbbbced0902150928t565b856ej2deaade9d905c7e1@mail.gmail.com> <0DCF5951C72D43B984F8A07C33CABEDA@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0902151930p31a95e73n5375fb0755ad69e3@mail.gmail.com> I was told today by former WNSH DJ Doug Mascott that Guarino actually does his show from his house/shop (next to the North Shore Shopping Center in Peabody). WNSH does have some equipment and their stick a mile down the road from me in Beverly, but I believe their studios and some computers are at Keating Willcox's home in Hamilton; and again, Guarino supposedly does his show from his Peabody home. Dan wrote: > I think that Guarino's show > sounds much better and more professional. I also suspect that, 30,000 > watts notwithstanding, Keating sells the time to Guarino cheaper than > Jeff Kline sells it to Franciosa. Since you say that Franciosa voices > Keating's promos for $21 a spot, I suspect that those promos > constitute partial payment for the air time. Yes--in that clip I recorded, Antonio mentioned the ad rates several times. By day at least, WNSH reaches all along the coast (but not so far inland) even down to Cape Cod. I noticed it coming in on Rt 3 down in Plymouth County as I headed to the Cape to visit my Dad. By night, well, it reaches MOST of the city of license :) From paul@derrynh.net Mon Feb 16 00:28:10 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:28:10 -0500 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? References: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c98ff7$5b1b9c40$0202a8c0@PaulPC> I would think 1520 would be the more logical choice in that it would be a signal that many in Northern NE could listen to for the Sox beyond most of the low power nighttime signals in the rural Northern NE areas. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? > Looking at the spring training media guide for the Olde Town Team and > looking at the radio network list it says > > Buffalo, NY WWKB or WGR > > I do know the Yankees have moved to low power WECK in Cheektowga so it > looks like Entercom wants to use an inhouse product. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 16 13:45:26 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:45:26 -0600 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? In-Reply-To: <001c01c98ff7$5b1b9c40$0202a8c0@PaulPC> References: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c98ff7$5b1b9c40$0202a8c0@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770902161045y55eed0bcjfcf9c35bb4225a72@mail.gmail.com> The Yankees can not be happy about moving to WECK which can't even be heard at night past Lackawanna. A lot depends on where Entercom places the Bisons the AAA team. From scott@fybush.com Mon Feb 16 15:11:14 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:11:14 -0500 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902161045y55eed0bcjfcf9c35bb4225a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770902151554p17b94f54r658bf04f4c891727@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c98ff7$5b1b9c40$0202a8c0@PaulPC> <4fc429770902161045y55eed0bcjfcf9c35bb4225a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999C862.6030608@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Yankees can not be happy about moving to WECK which can't even be > heard at night past Lackawanna. > > A lot depends on where Entercom places the Bisons the AAA team. > The Bisons are on 1520: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/multimedia/page.jsp?ymd=20070324&content_id=195634&vkey=multimedia_t422&fext=.jsp&sid=t422 This is part of a back-and-forth between Entercom and WECK - Entercom had been happy to shuffle the Bisons off to WECK a few years back when WECK was doing standards and then classic country for Regent. IIRC, the Bisons were buying the time for the broadcasts, which generate little to no ratings. But when WECK went to local ownership and tried to become a talk threat to WBEN, suddenly Entercom was eager to do a deal to bring the Bisons back to KB on very favorable terms to the team, if only to deprive WECK of one attention-grabbing bit of programming. And so WECK grabbed the Yankees, and so KB and WGR are apparently grabbing the Sox...and on it goes. s From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Feb 16 15:11:21 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:11:21 -0600 Subject: an interesting viewpoint on radio Message-ID: <4fc429770902161211jb89c374i25c8829e274374ed@mail.gmail.com> Some of you may know Howard Lapides. He went to Emerson (BS 1972) worked at WEIM and WMEX. He recently did a long interview with Grubstreet and at the end he gives his viewpoints on radio today. It is a long but worthy read....also has some classic Mac Richmond stories http://www.grubstreet.ca/articles/interviews/howardlapides.htm BTW I have already reminded him that WMEX was on Broadway not Washington St :) From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 14:22:12 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:22:12 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 Message-ID: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> >> Can the delay be partly explained by the receiver itself? >> In theory, no. The HD signal's audio component is supposed to decoded as one entire package. However, I suppose an audio stream with a different bitrate (say, 24kbps vs. 48kbps) could very well require more/less processor cycles to decode into audio. I don't know if the rest of the streams are delayed to accommodate that, but I would assume they aren't. Also, I have no idea if an audio stream in the 24kbps of extended hybrid mode is decoded at the same time an audio stream within the 96kbps of the main channel. Logically, again, I would suppose there isn't any special synchronization there...but I wouldn't bank too much on my assumptions. One of these days I'll get around to reading "The IBOC Handbook"; if there's any clues to the answers for these questions...they're probably in there. But it's entirely possible there simply are no answers to these particular questions, because a lot of the encoding algorithm is "black box"; not part of the standard and well-hidden by iBiquity's patents. - Aaron P.S. To be clear: HD Radio receivers DO impose a slight delay in decoding overall, and every radio (not just every model, I mean every single radio) is different. You can hear it yourself by tuning an analog radio, and three different HD Radio receivers, all to the same HD-enabled station. Even if the analog/digital audio is perfectly time-sync'd, you'll hear all four radios be slightly out of sync with each other...and the HD Radios will all be slightly more delayed than the analog. The question, however, was where the extra 30-odd seconds of delay that multicast channels have is coming from. That's a (presumably) different story. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From scott@fybush.com Mon Feb 16 15:57:25 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:57:25 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> References: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999D335.3020401@fybush.com> Aaron Read wrote: > P.S. To be clear: HD Radio receivers DO impose a slight delay in > decoding overall, and every radio (not just every model, I mean every > single radio) is different. You can hear it yourself by tuning an > analog radio, and three different HD Radio receivers, all to the same > HD-enabled station. What does it say about my overall level of geekiness that I actually *have* three different HD Radio receivers (an Accurian, a Sangean HDT-1 and a Sony XDR-F1HD) to try that experiment with? (I think Aaron does, too, if I'm not mistaken...) s From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 16:30:09 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:30:09 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <4999D335.3020401@fybush.com> References: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> <4999D335.3020401@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4999DAE1.4040505@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > What does it say about my overall level of geekiness that I actually > *have* three different HD Radio receivers (an Accurian, a Sangean HDT-1 > and a Sony XDR-F1HD) to try that experiment with? > (I think Aaron does, too, if I'm not mistaken...) > s > ONLY three?!?!? I'm insulted! :-) Let's see, I have at the office: IN ACTIVE USE: Directed Electronics DMHD1000 tabletop Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (x2) Belar FMHD1 Sony XDF-F1HD IN STORAGE: Kenwood KDC-MP425 (car, HD Radio-ready) Kenwood KTC-HR100 (non-multicast) Kenwood KTC-HR100MC (multicast-capable) VR3/Roadmaster VRHDUA100 add-on car HD tuners (x4) At home I have: Sangean HDT-1 component LG PC12 tabletop/iPod Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (just one) Polk iSonic (first gen) And don't forget my JVC KD-HWD10 in my car. Briefly I had a Directed Electronics DMMD1000 add-on car HD tuner a few years ago, as well, but that was a loaner to write a review on. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Feb 16 15:38:48 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? In-Reply-To: <4999C862.6030608@fybush.com> Message-ID: <726936.2241.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 2/16/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > The Bisons are on 1520: > > http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/multimedia/page.jsp?ymd=20070324&content_id=195634&vkey=multimedia_t422&fext=.jsp&sid=t422 > > This is part of a back-and-forth between Entercom and WECK > - Entercom had been happy to shuffle the Bisons off to WECK > a few years back when WECK was doing standards and then > classic country for Regent. IIRC, the Bisons were buying the > time for the broadcasts, which generate little to no > ratings. > > But when WECK went to local ownership and tried to become a > talk threat to WBEN, suddenly Entercom was eager to do a > deal to bring the Bisons back to KB on very favorable terms > to the team, if only to deprive WECK of one > attention-grabbing bit of programming. > > And so WECK grabbed the Yankees, and so KB and WGR are > apparently grabbing the Sox...and on it goes. It probably makes more sense from a programming standpoint to put the Sox on 550, anyway. 550 is an all-sports station that already holds rights to major-league franchises. Interrupting that programming for a minor-league franchise, albeit a AAA team, that isn't affiliated with a nearby major-league franchise probably would turn away more listeners than it would bring in. And I'd argue that minor-league baseball really doesn't do well, listener-wise, on the radio -- sure, you may bring in cash, but do you want to risk having your listener base not wake up in the AM with the radio tuned to 550? Based on the comments here, Entercom doesn't seem to pay much attention to 1520, so shoving the Bisons on there seems like an easy choice. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:57:01 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:57:01 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 References: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> <4999D335.3020401@fybush.com> <4999DAE1.4040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <876A909367724D7BAFD850694ED439AB@MainXPPro> Got any first-hand review for any of these units? > IN ACTIVE USE: > Directed Electronics DMHD1000 tabletop > Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (x2) > Belar FMHD1 > Sony XDF-F1HD > > IN STORAGE: > Kenwood KDC-MP425 (car, HD Radio-ready) > Kenwood KTC-HR100 (non-multicast) > Kenwood KTC-HR100MC (multicast-capable) > VR3/Roadmaster VRHDUA100 add-on car HD tuners (x4) > > At home I have: > Sangean HDT-1 component > LG PC12 tabletop/iPod > Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (just one) > Polk iSonic (first gen) > > And don't forget my JVC KD-HWD10 in my car. > > > Briefly I had a Directed Electronics DMMD1000 add-on car HD tuner a few > years ago, as well, but that was a loaner to write a review on. > > -- From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:26:40 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:26:40 -0500 Subject: Delay on WODS-HD3 In-Reply-To: <876A909367724D7BAFD850694ED439AB@MainXPPro> References: <4999BCE4.1060306@gmail.com> <4999D335.3020401@fybush.com> <4999DAE1.4040505@gmail.com> <876A909367724D7BAFD850694ED439AB@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <4999E820.30000@gmail.com> Yes, the Directed Electronics' DMHD1000 and DHHD1000, the VR3 VRHDUA100 and the Sangean HDT-1X. (I don't own the -1X anymore, it was a loaner for the review...but I do own the -1) All written for Radio World and expanded upon at my blog: http://friedbagels.blogspot.com/search/label/radio%20world (scroll down to read them all) One of these days I'll get around to reviewing the LG for RW as well. It's not a great radio overall, nor is the sound terribly good, but it is quite stylish and very flexible. I think it might make a good "display" radio for a waiting room or reception area. - Aaron Don A wrote: > > Got any first-hand review for any of these units? > > > > >> IN ACTIVE USE: >> Directed Electronics DHHD1000 tabletop >> Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (x2) >> Belar FMHD1 >> Sony XDF-F1HD >> >> IN STORAGE: >> Kenwood KDC-MP425 (car, HD Radio-ready) >> Kenwood KTC-HR100 (non-multicast) >> Kenwood KTC-HR100MC (multicast-capable) >> VR3/Roadmaster VRHDUA100 add-on car HD tuners (x4) >> >> At home I have: >> Sangean HDT-1 component >> LG PC12 tabletop/iPod >> Boston Acoustics Recepter HD (just one) >> Polk iSonic (first gen) >> >> And don't forget my JVC KD-HWD10 in my car. >> >> >> Briefly I had a Directed Electronics DMMD1000 add-on car HD tuner a >> few years ago, as well, but that was a loaner to write a review on. >> >> -- > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From friedbagels@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 14:32:36 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:32:36 -0500 Subject: Red Sox on Buffalo radio? Message-ID: <4999BF54.8040309@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Looking at the spring training media guide for the Olde Town Team and > looking at the radio network list it says > > Buffalo, NY WWKB or WGR > thankyoujesusthankyoujesusthankyoujesusthankyoujesusthankyoujesusthankyoujesus!!! Any chance they might carry them at least on WROC as well? WWKB and WGR are tough grabs for me in Ontario County... Speaking of which, what exactly goes into becoming a Red Sox affiliate? I mean, I'd love to do it on WVWA but it's a noncomm so I seriously doubt that would be workable with all the commercials interwoven on the Red Sox feed. But maybe I could sweet talk one of my friends at a commercial outlet here if it's relatively low-cost or high-reward. After all, I see quite a few Red Sox caps around campus here at Hobart... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 00:55:48 2009 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:55:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: HD or nothing sometimes Message-ID: <992134.13665.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Having a directional FM antenna set up at a house is more > than 95% of FM > radio listeners have though. As far as I can see from a lifetime of field trips to homes of non-radio geeks, your average listener has a $12 clock radio that gets full-power FM's and 50kW AM's as far as 30 miles away -- maybe -- and plays them through a 1-inch speaker. Then they have a receiver of similar quality hanging next to the range hood over the stove. And in a lot of cases the auto-search function on their car radios has such a high signal requirement, especially on AM, that the auto-generated pre-sets or even the user's manual scanning edits out many perfectly viable signals. I'll also bet most regular folks don't know anything about a DX setting on the auto scan (normally not the default setting), if their receivers have it. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Feb 17 08:02:31 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:02:31 -0500 Subject: DTV trans in Burl/Platt Message-ID: <20090217130231.0291F83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> WCAX/3 in Burl VT ran a feature on its 11p newscast last night (I'm in Rutland for a couple days) about the transition and showed a map with areas of green (you'll be able to pick up CH 3 on antenna) and orange (you won't). Many areas on NH, VT, and NY which used to pick up 3 fine, won't (though maybe a better antenna would help?)...Even some parts of Addison County, just to the south of Chittenden county! From mkr@matthewsworkbench.com Tue Feb 17 08:33:37 2009 From: mkr@matthewsworkbench.com (Matthew Reed) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:33:37 -0500 Subject: HD or nothing sometimes In-Reply-To: <992134.13665.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <992134.13665.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499ABCB1.6070703@matthewsworkbench.com> Martin Waters wrote: > As far as I can see from a lifetime of field trips to homes of > non-radio geeks, your average listener has a $12 clock radio that > gets full-power FM's and 50kW AM's as far as 30 miles away -- maybe > -- and plays them through a 1-inch speaker. Then they have a receiver > of similar quality hanging next to the range hood over the stove. I remember reading about a survey that found that most people don't extend the antenna on a portable FM radio. Somewhat surprisingly, most people still wouldn't extend the antenna even after it was pointed out that the reception would be improved. I believe it because I have seen that happen many times myself. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Feb 17 08:55:39 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:55:39 -0500 Subject: HD or nothing sometimes References: <992134.13665.qm@web39106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <499ABCB1.6070703@matthewsworkbench.com> Message-ID: <7FD15207DCC945B7873B48B0C5546DA6@SatU205S5044> So can we then generalize to, "most people won't go to great lengths to improve their radio reception?";>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Reed" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: HD or nothing sometimes > Martin Waters wrote: >> As far as I can see from a lifetime of field trips to homes of >> non-radio geeks, your average listener has a $12 clock radio that >> gets full-power FM's and 50kW AM's as far as 30 miles away -- maybe >> -- and plays them through a 1-inch speaker. Then they have a >> receiver >> of similar quality hanging next to the range hood over the stove. > > I remember reading about a survey that found that most people don't > extend the antenna on a portable FM radio. Somewhat surprisingly, > most people still wouldn't extend the antenna even after it was > pointed out that the reception would be improved. I believe it > because I have seen that happen many times myself. From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Feb 17 08:57:58 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:57:58 -0500 Subject: DTV trans in Burl/Platt In-Reply-To: <20090217130231.0291F83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090217130231.0291F83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9ff2be350902170557r740896caofa7aa1606ae195ab@mail.gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > WCAX/3 in Burl VT ran a feature on its 11p newscast last night (I'm in Rutland for a couple days) about the transition and showed a map with areas of green (you'll be able to pick up CH 3 on antenna) and orange (you won't). Many areas on NH, VT, and NY which used to pick up 3 fine, won't (though maybe a better antenna would help?)...Even some parts of Addison County, just to the south of Chittenden county! > Considering that in much of the north country/NEK WCAX is the only American tv station that can be received over the air I'm guessing there will be a lot of unhappy former viewers. I suppose there's always Vt. Public tv with their repeater on Burke Mt., but to fans of CSI, Survivor, etc. that's not much consolation. I wonder what (if any) options they have for increased power or maybe repeaters. From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 17 09:36:30 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:36:30 -0500 Subject: All of Providence really is going early Message-ID: <18842.52078.987186.661007@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> >From the "I did not know that" file, apparently WPXQ has already turned off channel 69. The offical list, released this morning by the Commission, is at -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 17 09:40:07 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:40:07 -0500 Subject: All of Providence really is going early In-Reply-To: <18842.52078.987186.661007@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18842.52078.987186.661007@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18842.52295.405355.383038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < The offical list, released this morning by the Commission, is at > According to which, Norman, Oklahoma, is part of the Boston DMA. News to me. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 11:09:10 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:09:10 -0500 Subject: DTV trans in Burl/Platt In-Reply-To: <9ff2be350902170557r740896caofa7aa1606ae195ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090217130231.0291F83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <9ff2be350902170557r740896caofa7aa1606ae195ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499AE126.30200@gmail.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Considering that in much of the north country/NEK WCAX is the only > American tv station that can be received over the air I'm guessing > there will be a lot of unhappy former viewers. The first time I saw that "map" of WCAX HD was the eleven last night, as well. We're Dish customers but I had coffee with a friend this AM who will go tv-less for awhile until they can get a proper antenna. Bill O'Neill From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Feb 17 11:09:17 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:09:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: HD or nothing sometimes Message-ID: <15283038.1234886957394.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Matthew Reed wrote: > I remember reading about a survey that found > that most people don't extend the antenna on > a portable FM radio. Somewhat surprisingly, > most people still wouldn't extend the antenna > even after it was pointed out that the reception > would be improved. I believe it because I have > seen that happen many times myself. Then again, anyone within about three miles of the Prudential or FM-128 (even farther line-of-sight) would find that most portable radios get better reception with the antenna collapsed. Extending the antenna in those areas only overloads their terrible front ends, causing intermodulation from all the powerful Class B stations transmitting from those sites, which covers up weaker/farther stations which may come in with the antenna down. In those cases, collapsing the antenna simulates the old "Local/DX" switches that radios used to have, putting them on "local" to reduce overload and intermodulation. As well, I have also spoken with very many people over the years who would buy a home receiver which comes with no built-in or attached antenna (usually a twin-lead wire dipole antenna is supplied in the box, to be attached) and never realize that they're supposed to attach anything to the antenna terminals. With no antenna, they listen to the powerful nearby Class B stations, and they say they "just can't get" farther stations, weaker stations, college stations, etc... When asked if they have an antenna on their receiver, most just say "huh??". EP From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 09:46:34 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:46:34 -0600 Subject: All of Providence really is going early In-Reply-To: <18842.52295.405355.383038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18842.52078.987186.661007@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <18842.52295.405355.383038@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902170646w5991529mda2f42a06045717a@mail.gmail.com> KOCM, Channel 46 Norman/Oklahoma City would be part of the Ord, Nebraska DMA before it was ever part of the Boston DMA ;=) Paul Walker On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > The offical list, released this morning by the Commission, is at > > > > According to which, Norman, Oklahoma, is part of the Boston DMA. > News to me. > > -GAWollman > > From lglavin@mail.com Sun Feb 15 15:44:35 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:44:35 -0500 Subject: Free Atlantic Magazine Article About Future of TV Message-ID: <20090215204435.53EABBE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Very often if you want to read an article in The Atlantic magazine online you have to be a subscriber, but the new March issue has a thought-provoking article about the impact of Jey Leno's prime-time talk show on network TV, and you can read it 'gratis' online. As I watched WMFP-DT go to full-power before such "major" stations as WFXT and WLVI, I realized that any station is capable of being a major player, even if right now all they do is air "infomercials". The Atlantic article doesn't mention local stations and the way that digital television levels the playing field (the way FM did for radio) so that the broadcast networks may soon recede as purveyors of content, but it's still worth reading: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200903/television -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From neggytive@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 12:54:08 2009 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: WNSH Show Message-ID: <21702.89723.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In regards to the question last week if the gentleman who does the WLYN/WAZN Sunday show is the same guy that does the WNSH show it is not. Nick Fransciosca is his name IIRC. I have his Valentines Dance poster hanging in my office at WLYN/WAZN The show is produced by Scott Catton, MRBI's full time Board Op, and is done live most of the time. If Scott or Nick can't do it live it is pre recorded to the Smartcaster and is aired from the Smartcasters hard drive. I have never been asked to work that show. It is Scott's pet project. John " Neg" Ative MRBI Woburn From James_Hall@uml.edu Tue Feb 17 10:35:44 2009 From: James_Hall@uml.edu (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:35:44 -0500 Subject: Psychic Radio Message-ID: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> I didn't realize it, but the "psychic radio" that's on WBMX HD3 is actually produced by CBS itself. I wonder what Walter Cronkite would think of CBS radio going this way? Hehe. http://psychiconair.com/pages/1906505.php From lglavin@mail.com Tue Feb 17 15:51:51 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:51:51 -0500 Subject: WENH-DT Channel 11 Is On Message-ID: <20090217205151.6006D606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> WENH-DT, channel 11 in Durham, NH is now on-the-air (Tuesday morning), displacing WENH-TV on the same channel WENH-TV always came in well on a tabletop TV using an indoor antenna where I live, even after it reduced power. WENH-DT channel 11, like any other DTV station with sufficient signal strength, is flawless! (I was never able to get even a brief flicker of a picture when it was on channel 57.) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dave@skywaves.net Tue Feb 17 21:54:50 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:54:50 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: Channels viewable to one degree or another: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 -Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 17 22:03:01 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:03:01 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester In-Reply-To: <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <18843.31333.833877.344176@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: > Channels viewable to one degree or another: > 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 So the only ones you're scheduled to lose tonight are 10, 12, and 62. 12 will come back as 64's digital, and 10 will come back (with a much worse signal) as 46's digital. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Feb 17 22:06:28 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:06:28 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester In-Reply-To: <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <499B7B34.4080804@fybush.com> Dave Doherty wrote: > Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: > > Channels viewable to one degree or another: > 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 Which means, with the exception of 12 and 62, it'll look exactly the same tomorrow! -s, watching the "we're going off analog at midnight!" lead story on WUHF 31 Rochester From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 22:08:50 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:08:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <119981.57628.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And this from Providence - the stations are running a DTV info phone bank: http://www.abc6.com/home/related/39713082.html I listened to WLNE on FM for the last time tonight on the way?home?- the newscast mentioned that there will be a dropin desk for questions at the station tomorrow and at WSBE on Thursday. ________________________________ From: Dave Doherty To: Boston Radio Group Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:54:50 PM Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: Channels viewable to one degree or another: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 -Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC From dave@skywaves.net Tue Feb 17 22:13:17 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:13:17 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu><0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> <18843.31333.833877.344176@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5C114F2B26F24D6981B8C6E687FAB3FE@skywaves.com> We'll see what happens after midnight, if I can stay up that long. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester > > < > said: > >> Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: >> Channels viewable to one degree or another: > >> 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 > > So the only ones you're scheduled to lose tonight are 10, 12, and 62. > 12 will come back as 64's digital, and 10 will come back (with a much > worse signal) as 46's digital. > > -GAWollman > > From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 17 22:17:23 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:17:23 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester In-Reply-To: <119981.57628.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> <119981.57628.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18843.32195.526072.901434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I listened to WLNE on FM for the last time tonight on the way?home?- > the newscast mentioned that there will be a dropin desk for > questions at the station tomorrow and at WSBE on Thursday. They will be running "enhanced nightlight" for the next 60 days, so you will still be able to hear them until NAB time. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Feb 17 23:32:40 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:32:40 -0500 Subject: The sob stories have begun In-Reply-To: <499B8BB3.9090909@fybush.com> References: <499B8BB3.9090909@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18843.36712.763391.692082@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> So WMUR did the obligatory sob story on the 11:00 tonight about some poor, poor woman out in the sticks who "gets six channels in analog" but yet "can't get any digital stations". Cut to exterior shot -- yep, big VHF yagi on the roof, looking like it's seen better days. Oh, no, now she has to subscribe to DirecTV![1] Of course none of the people interviewed demonstrated the remotest clue about what was required; they went on an on about how "terrain and trees" would block reception, and the digital stations are all at "much lower power". Not entirely false by any means, but very misleading. (If she gets six analog stations, I bet I can name them: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 11. She should be able to get 11's DT, but I bet the segment was taped before 11 switched over.) No, I wasn't recording. (In fact, I don't have any way to record 9 here, since the only thing I have with an OpenCable tuner doesn't have a video out.) They did note in the intro that NHPTV has received "very few complaints". -GAWollman [1] I'm sorry, there is nobody -- NOBODY -- on this planet who can't live without television. From dave@skywaves.net Wed Feb 18 00:10:35 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:10:35 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu><0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com><18843.31333.833877.344176@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5C114F2B26F24D6981B8C6E687FAB3FE@skywaves.com> Message-ID: On air as of 12:05 AM: 2, 4, 5, occasional 6, 7, 9, 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 66. Currently missing: 10, 12, 13, 62, 68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester > > We'll see what happens after midnight, if I can stay up that long. > > -d > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garrett Wollman" > To: "Dave Doherty" > Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:03 PM > Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester > > >> >> < >> said: >> >>> Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: >>> Channels viewable to one degree or another: >> >>> 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, 68 >> >> So the only ones you're scheduled to lose tonight are 10, 12, and 62. >> 12 will come back as 64's digital, and 10 will come back (with a much >> worse signal) as 46's digital. >> >> -GAWollman >> >> > > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Feb 18 00:17:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:17:35 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester In-Reply-To: References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu> <0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com> <18843.31333.833877.344176@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5C114F2B26F24D6981B8C6E687FAB3FE@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <18843.39407.933802.162473@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On air as of 12:05 AM: > 2, 4, 5, occasional 6, 7, 9, 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 66. > Currently missing: > 10, 12, 13, 62, 68 68 ought to be on (unless they have taken to signing off late at night). The rest (assuming your 13 was Portland) should be gone for good. 6-New Bedford will be on until April; 6-Portland will presumably be on until June 12, along with the other analogs you note as still being on. Some money may have to change hands for Qualcomm to get 56 off the air earlier than June (just speculating). -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Feb 18 00:23:16 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:23:16 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester In-Reply-To: <18843.39407.933802.162473@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52269B44A2244396BFA8FE2FDAB6ACFD@DHPP0DB1> > 68 ought to be on (unless they have taken to signing off late at > night). The rest (assuming your 13 was Portland) should be gone for > good. 6-New Bedford will be on until April; 6-Portland will > presumably be on until June 12, along with the other analogs you note > as still being on. Some money may have to change hands for Qualcomm > to get 56 off the air earlier than June (just speculating). 68 is still on the air. I was recording WPRI as they signed off on 12. There was no fanfare at all, and even the crawl that they'd been running on the top of the screen was gone for the last half hour. I had WJAR-10 on another TV, and they at least put a legal ID on the screen before pulling the plug. Within minutes (maybe seconds), WWDP-DT was on the air on 10, and WNAC-DT was on 12. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paul@derrynh.net Wed Feb 18 01:20:17 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:20:17 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <3AFE0D2823B648349FAF8D34A4F78F63@fs.uml.edu><0D82DCBD2DEA4EA7AD0467B2318DB081@skywaves.com><18843.31333.833877.344176@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5C114F2B26F24D6981B8C6E687FAB3FE@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <001a01c99190$f7cee7a0$0202a8c0@PaulPC> And 25, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Dave Doherty" ; "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester > On air as of 12:05 AM: > > 2, 4, 5, occasional 6, 7, 9, 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 66. > > Currently missing: > > 10, 12, 13, 62, 68 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester > > >> >> We'll see what happens after midnight, if I can stay up that long. >> >> -d >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Garrett Wollman" >> To: "Dave Doherty" >> Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:03 PM >> Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester >> >> >>> >>> < >>> said: >>> >>>> Here's the analog view from Worcester as of 2/17/2009 at 10PM: >>>> Channels viewable to one degree or another: >>> >>>> 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13 (occasionally), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 62, 66, >>>> 68 >>> >>> So the only ones you're scheduled to lose tonight are 10, 12, and 62. >>> 12 will come back as 64's digital, and 10 will come back (with a much >>> worse signal) as 46's digital. >>> >>> -GAWollman >>> >>> >> >> > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 18 03:13:15 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:13:15 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester Message-ID: <20090218081315.9E696CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> I worked till 2:30 am in N. Reading and for the heck of it when driving home, put on 87.7 to hear the sound from Ch 6 in New Bedford. I heard repeated messages in English and Spanish saying something about "the area in the brown is expected reception" etc of "WNAC-TV Fox 64". They also gave a phone number and address for those with questions. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 07:26:32 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:26:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking to help mom in Florida Message-ID: <845962.53559.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My mom who lives between Tampa and Orlando is an over the air television viewer. She typically watches Oprah and the news on Channel 9 Orlando (Analog). This in spite of the fact that she can receive about 20 good signals over the air. She has two converter boxes, but they are not set up yet. She says she'll wait for me to come down in April to do it. Where can I find out if my mom is still receiving Channel 9 Orlando, AND any of the other Tampa, Orlando, Dayton Beach, ananlog channels post February 17? John B From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:45:13 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:45:13 -0500 Subject: BTV TV Message-ID: <499C02D9.8010100@gmail.com> My neighbor just scanned around the dial (from 05770) to see what's on analog... he says "3,5,22,33 all broadcasting "infomercial" you need to change, others are static." Bill O'Neill From dave@skywaves.net Wed Feb 18 07:48:38 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:48:38 -0500 Subject: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester References: <20090218081315.9E696CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9EA50A71F7B6431C93F5A0D18ADEC2E4@skywaves.com> >From here this morning, 6 is very fuzzy, but it looks like they're running an instructional video on how to hook up your TV to pick up the digital broadcasts. Analog signals are available this morning on 2, 4, 5, 6 (very weak) 7, 9, 13 (also very weak), 27, 38, 44, 48, 56, 60 (also very weak), 66, and 68. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Paul Hopfgarten" ; "Dave Doherty" ; "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "'Boston Radio Group'" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: Re: DTV Transition - the view from Worcester I worked till 2:30 am in N. Reading and for the heck of it when driving home, put on 87.7 to hear the sound from Ch 6 in New Bedford. I heard repeated messages in English and Spanish saying something about "the area in the brown is expected reception" etc of "WNAC-TV Fox 64". They also gave a phone number and address for those with questions. From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 09:26:01 2009 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:26:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: The sob stories have begun In-Reply-To: <18843.36712.763391.692082@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <691729.119.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is slightly off topic, but I cannot think of a better place to ask this question... I am currently in northern maine visiting home. My mother and stepfather have Dish Net, but also use an antenna to recieve WAGM (Approx 55 miles away). The analog signal, depending on conditions, ranges from crystal clear to snowy. I cannot seem to make the converter boxes (memorex) that they have work. Curious as to how much signal strength is neccessary to make DTV work. Are the DTV power outputs comparible to what their analog counterparts are/were? From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 10:42:44 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:42:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: The sob stories have begun Message-ID: <722962.83821.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On my Radio Shack? Digital Stream converter boxes a signal in the RED at 25, will produce a pixelated video transmission with broken audio but will generally stay locked on. ? At?30 of the 0-100 scale as indicated on the on screen overlay, still in the RED of the red, yellow, green signal strength bar, I get stable video and audio 95% of the time. ? At 35 out of 100 now in the YELLOW, I get 99% stable video and audio. ? My best signals are WMUR 9DT at around 85-90 signal strength and WENH 11DT at around 80-85 signal strength in Derry NH with a very modest outdoor antenna. ? John B Derry NH ? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Feb 18 11:15:02 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:15:02 -0500 Subject: The sob stories have begun References: <691729.119.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12363764D9394AB78A33F3AABE7A48A1@SatU205S5044> Somebody else will have to answer whether WAGM-DT is on VHF or UHF but the odds are much better than even that it is on UHF. I assume that WAGM-TV (analog) has been on VHF. If DT is on UHF and analog was on VHF, the antenna that your folks have been using to receive WAGM is probably not a good choice for DT. They need an antenna optimized for UHF reception (log-periodic antennas are a popular type) and, at a distance of 55 miles with no other terrestrial stations closer than 55 miles, it almost certainly should be an amplifed antenna. (Amplifiers should be avoided in locations with large numbers of strong signals because the strong signals--even if you are not trying to tune them in--may saturate the amplifier.) I assume that your folks have an outdoor antenna. Am I right? The new outdoor antenna that you get for them should be mounted at least 30' above ground (even higher is better, if you can do it conveniently). If your folks are concerned with reception of only one terrestrial station, they should not need to mount the antenna on a rotator, but since the most popular UHF antennas are directional, the antenna needs to be carefully oriented for the best signal strength. Try to avoid obstructions such as trees in the signal path that will leaf out in the spring and cause reception problems a few months from now, even it there are no such problems in the winter. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: ; "Garrett Wollman" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: The sob stories have begun > This is slightly off topic, but I cannot think of a better place to > ask this question... I am currently in northern maine visiting > home. My mother and stepfather have Dish Net, but also use an > antenna to recieve WAGM (Approx 55 miles away). The analog signal, > depending on conditions, ranges from crystal clear to snowy. I > cannot seem to make the converter boxes (memorex) that they have > work. Curious as to how much signal strength is neccessary to make > DTV work. Are the DTV power outputs comparible to what their analog > counterparts are/were? > > > From webmaster@rabbitears.info Wed Feb 18 12:41:53 2009 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:41:53 -0500 Subject: The sob stories have begun Message-ID: <499C4861.3040607@rabbitears.info> WAGM's digital signal might as well not exist at the moment. They're at very low power on DT-16, but will flash-cut back to channel 8 when they transition. You shouldn't worry about a UHF antenna as it'll become useless to you soon enough. How's WMEM-DT? They're digital on 10; if you get that one, WAGM-DT should be alright after the analog goes away. - Trip www.rabbitears.info From scott@fybush.com Wed Feb 18 15:20:23 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:20:23 -0500 Subject: WRZE to become WEII, // WEEI Message-ID: <499C6D87.8000201@fybush.com> Took long enough...but it looks like the Cape will have a full-time WEEI relay signal in April. WRZE 96.3 sent out a press release today saying it will become WEII in early April, on the EEI network. (How long were THOSE rumors floating around before it happened?) s From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Feb 18 19:11:11 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:11:11 -0500 Subject: The sob stories have begun In-Reply-To: <12363764D9394AB78A33F3AABE7A48A1@SatU205S5044> References: <691729.119.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12363764D9394AB78A33F3AABE7A48A1@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <499ca3bd.9e03be0a.27c4.592f@mx.google.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I assume that your folks have an outdoor antenna. Am I right? The new >outdoor antenna that you get for them should be mounted at least 30' >above ground (even higher is better, if you can do it conveniently). >If your folks are concerned with reception of only one terrestrial >station, they should not need to mount the antenna on a rotator, but >since the most popular UHF antennas are directional, the antenna needs >to be carefully oriented for the best signal strength. Alas, aiming can be a bit of a pain. Digital is much less forgiving of "close enough" aiming than is analog. I don't know about other boxes, but I have the Zenith DTT-900 and it doesn't give you a signal strength reading unless it's found a signal of sufficient strength. Of course, if you can't lock on the signal, you can't use the reading to aim the antenna. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 19 09:01:47 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:01:47 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels Message-ID: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> I think (but I'm not positive) that it was Aaron Read who pointed out to me (and the post may not have been on this list) that, in addition to the FM-band HD Radio subchannels that share the main 96-kbps bit-stream, the system allows for one additional 24 kbps bit-stream that uses OFDM subcarriers closer in frequency to the analog modulation (that is, closer in frequency to the channel's center frequency). This separate bit-stream would be ideal for talk programming. The problem with it, though, is that the proximity of the subcarriers that convey the additional information to the main analog channel is likely to cause audible interference (hiss, I assume) on the analog channel. Are existing HD receivers able to decode this extra bit-stream? If so, how does the listener select it? My understanding is that HD receivers are equipped with HD-1, HD-2, and HD-3 pushbuttons. If there is no HD-4 button, is one of the main-bit-stream subchannels sacrificed if you tune to a station that is transmitting the extra bit stream? If yes, is the sacrificed channel always HD-3? That is, if a station chooses to use the extra bit stream, is the normal HD-3 channel always the one sacrificed? Or is there, perhaps, just one HD-channel pushbutton that, through repeated presses, cycles through all of the HD subchannels that the selected station is transmitting? Also, my understanding is that the HD-1 channel can use either the full 96 kbps of the main bit-stream, or 48 kbps, or 32 kbps. And the HD-2 bit-stream can use either 48 kbps, 32 kbps, or 24 kbps, whereas the normal HD-3 bit stream must use either 32 kbps or 24 kbps. Thus, using only the main bit-stream, the possible combinations are limited to HD-1=96 kbps, HD-2=0, HD-3=0; HD-1=48 kbps, HD-2=48 kbps, HD-3=0; HD-1=48-kbps, HD-2=24 kbps, HD-3=24 kbps; or HD-1=32-kbps, HD-2=32 kbps, HD-3=32 kbps. No other combinations are permitted. Is my understanding correct? In addition, does the receiver determine the selected subchannel's bit rate and automatically adapt to it? Finally (for now, at least) are any stations transmitting the extra 24 kbps bit stream and does it really cause unacceptable interference with the main analog channel? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Feb 19 09:08:48 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:08:48 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> On my Sony XDR-S3HD there are no pushbuttons for HD: you tune to the frequency and wait a second. If the radio detects HD, the display will change to From WXXX to WXXX-1, then you turn the main tuning knob one click to the right for the HD-2, another click for the HD-3 (and the display will change to WXXX-2 and WXXX-3). Are existing HD receivers able to decode this extra bit-stream? If so, how does the listener select it? My understanding is that HD receivers are equipped with HD-1, HD-2, and HD-3 pushbuttons. If there is no HD-4 button, is one of the main-bit-stream subchannels sacrificed if you tune to a station that is transmitting the extra bit stream? If yes, is the sacrificed channel always HD-3? That is, if a station chooses to use the extra bit stream, is the normal HD-3 channel always the one sacrificed? Or is there, perhaps, just one HD-channel pushbutton that, through repeated presses, cycles through all of the HD subchannels that the selected station is transmitting? From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Feb 19 10:02:19 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:02:19 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <66A9FB14-BB77-44C9-AFDC-FC77D40BBDA8@mac.com> On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > On my Sony XDR-S3HD there are no pushbuttons for HD: you tune to the > frequency and wait a second. If the radio detects HD, the display will > change to From WXXX to WXXX-1, then you turn the main tuning knob > one click > to the right for the HD-2, another click for the HD-3 (and the > display will > change to WXXX-2 and WXXX-3). That's the way it works on my Directed HD radio also. One odd behavior on this radio: no matter what HD station I'm listening to when I go to sleep, the clock radio goes on with the analog station. So if I went to sleep listening to Irish music on WTKK-HD2, I'd wake up to Imus on WTKK-FM. If I go to sleep listening to full-fidelity WBZ-HD, I wake up to low-fi WBZ-AM. I have to turn the radio off and on again to get the HD to work. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Feb 19 10:10:40 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:10:40 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <66A9FB14-BB77-44C9-AFDC-FC77D40BBDA8@mac.com> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> <66A9FB14-BB77-44C9-AFDC-FC77D40BBDA8@mac.com> Message-ID: <30D93F5E222749EEBA08A44FAE95E57A@fs.uml.edu> I don't use the alarm feature on the Sony. When I first got it, I set it to wake me up with WMJX-HD2 without the buzzer alarm (just the radio). Darn it if WMJX wasn't having trouble with HD the next morning, and I woke up...late...to "not available" on the display. It did not default to the analog signal on the alarm: it tried to connect to the HD-2 that wasn't on the air and just displayed the message when it couldn't connect. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:02 AM To: Jim Hall Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: Re: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > On my Sony XDR-S3HD there are no pushbuttons for HD: you tune to the > frequency and wait a second. If the radio detects HD, the display will > change to From WXXX to WXXX-1, then you turn the main tuning knob > one click > to the right for the HD-2, another click for the HD-3 (and the > display will > change to WXXX-2 and WXXX-3). That's the way it works on my Directed HD radio also. One odd behavior on this radio: no matter what HD station I'm listening to when I go to sleep, the clock radio goes on with the analog station. So if I went to sleep listening to Irish music on WTKK-HD2, I'd wake up to Imus on WTKK-FM. If I go to sleep listening to full-fidelity WBZ-HD, I wake up to low-fi WBZ-AM. I have to turn the radio off and on again to get the HD to work. From rbello@belloassoc.com Thu Feb 19 10:22:18 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:22:18 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <30D93F5E222749EEBA08A44FAE95E57A@fs.uml.edu> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> <66A9FB14-BB77-44C9-AFDC-FC77D40BBDA8@mac.com> <30D93F5E222749EEBA08A44FAE95E57A@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <123505693901@mx05.gis.net> There was a period (months long) last year when all Greater Media stations had drop out issues with their HD2 stations. It was a STL issue which was resolved. At 10:10 AM 2/19/2009, Jim Hall wrote: >I don't use the alarm feature on the Sony. When I first got it, I set it to >wake me up with WMJX-HD2 without the buzzer alarm (just the radio). Darn it >if WMJX wasn't having trouble with HD the next morning, and I woke >up...late...to "not available" on the display. It did not default to the >analog signal on the alarm: it tried to connect to the HD-2 that wasn't on >the air and just displayed the message when it couldn't connect. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Laurence [mailto:marklaurence@mac.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:02 AM >To: Jim Hall >Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest' >Subject: Re: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels > > >On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > > > On my Sony XDR-S3HD there are no pushbuttons for HD: you tune to the > > frequency and wait a second. If the radio detects HD, the display will > > change to From WXXX to WXXX-1, then you turn the main tuning knob > > one click > > to the right for the HD-2, another click for the HD-3 (and the > > display will > > change to WXXX-2 and WXXX-3). > > >That's the way it works on my Directed HD radio also. One odd >behavior on this radio: no matter what HD station I'm listening to >when I go to sleep, the clock radio goes on with the analog station. >So if I went to sleep listening to Irish music on WTKK-HD2, I'd wake >up to Imus on WTKK-FM. If I go to sleep listening to full-fidelity >WBZ-HD, I wake up to low-fi WBZ-AM. I have to turn the radio off and >on again to get the HD to work. From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 19 10:36:11 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:36:11 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <499D7C6B.6030100@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > I think (but I'm not positive) that it was Aaron Read who pointed out > to me (and the post may not have been on this list) that, in addition > to the FM-band HD Radio subchannels that share the main 96-kbps > bit-stream, the system allows for one additional 24 kbps bit-stream > that uses OFDM subcarriers closer in frequency to the analog > modulation (that is, closer in frequency to the channel's center > frequency). This separate bit-stream would be ideal for talk > programming. The problem with it, though, is that the proximity of the > subcarriers that convey the additional information to the main analog > channel is likely to cause audible interference (hiss, I assume) on > the analog channel. There are a number of misconceptions here, and now I'm thinking I should really ship one of my "extra" HD tuners off to Arlington to give Dan a chance to play with one firsthand. As several on the list have already noted, there are no "pushbuttons" for each stream. HD radios are entirely software-based, and the subchannels are simply displayed in order after the main analog signal. If there's no "HD-2," as in the case of WODS a week or two ago, it will simply skip from "HD-1" (which, by custom and regulation, but not technical necessity) is always a simulcast of the analog audio) to "HD-3." Those are just labels assigned to virtual program streams in the same way that "4.1" is displayed as the label for a program stream on WBZ-DT's channel 30 RF transport stream. The FM HD transport stream can be divided in more ways than Dan imagines, too. Working just with the 96 kbps primary datastream, the most common permutations are 48/48 (HD1/HD2), 48/24/24 (HD1/HD2/HD3) and 64/32 (HD1/HD2), but those values are almost infinitely adjustable, and if a station wanted to do, say, 60/36, there's nothing in the system to stop them. Nor is three subchannels a fixed limit - if you wanted to do 24/24/24/24 and have HD1-2-3-4, you could. I think that's part of what ESPN's experimental HD FM in Bristol is testing. About the only real restriction is that a stream can't be divided across the partition between the primary 96 kbps stream and that additional 24 kbps "extended partition," so you can't treat it as a complete 120 kbps of available datastream. It's nevertheless possible to do, say, 48/48 for HD1/HD2 on the primary stream and 24 for HD3 on the extended, or 96 for HD1 on the primary and 24 for HD2 on the extended. It's all transparent to the end-user - the software in the radio figures out where everything is and presents it to the consumer with no distinction between primary and extended. As for interference between the extended partition and the analog signal, there's a great deal of dispute about whether it exists in the real world. My employer here in Rochester won't use extended partition, not because of concerns about the main-channel analog signal but because there's a risk of interference to our 92 kHz analog SCA, which hosts a popular radio reading service that we run. Yet in Pittsburgh, WDUQ uses extended partition AND runs a reading service on the 92 kHz SCA, apparently with no ill effects. s From friedbagels@gmail.com Thu Feb 19 11:14:55 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:14:55 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels Message-ID: <499D857F.4070707@gmail.com> Yes, that was me who originally mentioned it, and Scott does an excellent job breaking it down. There's just two things I'd like to add to it: FIRST: the number of possible multicast channels is primarily limited by the available bandwidth. IIRC, the standard will support up to an HD-9 if you're in all-digital mode (not authorized by the FCC or iBiquity). However, since the digital streams get real crunchy at less than 24kbps, the effective limit is HD-4. That said, there were some test stations trying to run an HD-4 stream (extremely low bitrate, I think 12kbps, for radio reading service purposes...sounded like crap but it was intelligible) and they ran into a software bug in the radios that would cause them to lock up and require a "reboot" (power on/off) at random times if the HD-4 stream was present on the station in question; the listener didn't even have to be tuned to the HD-4 stream! Obviously that was a huge problem, and I know iBiquity was trying to find a software solution on the transmitter end to get around it. I don't know if they ever did but I assume so because this was a few years ago, and it was a pretty major issue. SECOND: the alleged problems with extended hybrid modes interfering with SCA's on 92kHz is controversial because it's a station-by-station problem. Just because it works fine at WDUQ doesn't, unfortunately, guarantee that it'll work fine everywhere. It's because the problem is more with the fragility of the analog SCA signal; if the terrain or adjacent-channel situation is unfavorable...then ext.hybrid can take a marginal 92kHz SCA and, potentially, "push it over the cliff". That said, I do wish WXXI would give it a try...the 48-24-24 scheme for their HD-1, -2 and -3 makes for crummy listening to WXXI-AM (on the HD-2) and the shows on the HD-3. 24kbps doesn't work nearly as well for talk as it does for music. If it weren't for the purists who no doubt make up the bulk of WXXI's classical listenership, I'd say they ought to go 32-32-32, or go ext.hybrid and go 48-48-24 to at least make one of the HD-n's sound better. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm As for interference between the extended partition and the analog signal, there's a great deal of dispute about whether it exists in the real world. My employer here in Rochester won't use extended partition, not because of concerns about the main-channel analog signal but because there's a risk of interference to our 92 kHz analog SCA, which hosts a popular radio reading service that we run. Yet in Pittsburgh, WDUQ uses extended partition AND runs a reading service on the 92 kHz SCA, apparently with no ill effects. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 19 11:33:06 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:33:06 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> <499D7C56.8080804@fybush.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Scott! Great info. Would you believe that this thread started through a combination of Aaron's post (which I think was on radio-info.com) and a call I heard on Steve LeVeille's program a couple of nights ago? Steve had a caller who was about as confused as I imagine it's possible to be about this subject--but apparently didn't know how confused he was and most certainly wouldn't admit it. Because I realized that I would probably only make matters worse if I called and tried to clear up the confusion, I refrained from calling. Steve must have asked the guy at least six times how you select the different subchannels (HD-2, HD-3 et al) on an HD Radio receiver. Each time Steve asked how you change the subchannel, the caller would change the subject. Finally, Steve threatened to terminate the call but first asked, "Does the radio have pushbuttons to select HD-1, HD-2, and so on?" And the caller said "yes." So that's where I got the pushbutton idea. Before the call ended, however, the caller was onto how HD reception was highly "directional." Turned out, the caller didn't understand the meaning of directional; what he meant was very sensitive to the location and position of the receiving antenna. BUT he was predicating his conclusion on observations of digital _TV_ reception, not realizing that HD Radio and digital TV are quite different systems. Of course, the brain trust that developed digital TV deserves some kind of award for botched nomenclature because I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 1% of DTV viewers know which of the many DTV formats are legitimately called HD and which aren't. For example, my 26" DTV receiver does not receive 1080P but does receive 1080I and it displays 1080I (if available) full-screen on the 16:9 aspect-ratio screen. When it does so on "Channel 2-1," the letters HD appear in the lower right corner of the screen next to the WGBH "bug" (I think that's what it's called), so I _guess_ that 1080I IS HD, but I don't _know_ that! And if I'm not mistaken (which I could be), it's possible to display a 4:3 aspect-ratio picture in 1080I--if that's what the station is transmitting. So is THAT HD? I sure don't know! And of course Steve's caller was also victimized by iBiquity's choice of a name that contains the letters HD for its misbegotten digital-audio broadcasting scheme. As I understand it, iBiquity claims that the HD in HD Radio stands for nothing--it's just letters, but aside from us radio geeks, who knows THAT? Some people say that the HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, which would make perfect sense. But AFAIK, iBquity says the H and the D are just letters. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: Re: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels > > There are a number of misconceptions here, and now I'm thinking I > should really ship one of my "extra" HD tuners off to Arlington to > give Dan a chance to play with one firsthand. > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Feb 19 11:54:29 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:54:29 -0500 Subject: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels In-Reply-To: <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> References: <8866CFFFA76C4E3884B0F21875A3B3C4@SatU205S5044> <2FCD9A9283424A13905385E45E6DB98B@fs.uml.edu> Message-ID: <000301c992b2$bb458820$31d09860$@com> With the Sangean units HDT and HDR's you tune, either manually or in scan to the desired channel. If it's available in HD (AM or FM) it will lock on and automatically switch. On FM, to get HD-2 or HD-3 you would then tap the TUNE button once or twice to get to HD-2 or HD-3 respectively. For a while I had WMJX-HD-2 on in my office. This was apparently during the period when they had troubles with their HD-2 feed. I would go home with HD-2 playing and come in the next morning to hear HD-1 playing (we leave the system on 24/7). I was unsure about the WBZ/WODS HD-3 feed but I tried it and it works like a champ and sounds better than WBZ-AM-HD. I'm in a hollow in Peabody with an attic mounted Radio Shack VHF/UHF/FM antenna partially assembled in my attic. Its soon to be replaced with a TERK AM/FM HD outdoor antenna, if I can still get one. My suppliers have them but TERK has removed them from their site. I'm guessing that they're discontinued. We installed one of these at WMWM for our OTA/EAS receivers and the reception there is awesome. Disclaimer: I am a Sangean dealer. Pro Cinema - Pro Audio - Pro & Consumer AV Equipment & Supplies Brian Vita President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 brian_vita@cssinc.com AIM: btvita tel: fax: 978-538-7575 978-538-7550 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of Jim Hall > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:09 AM > To: 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: RE: HD Radio receivers and HD-n (n>1) subchannels > > On my Sony XDR-S3HD there are no pushbuttons for HD: you tune to the > frequency and wait a second. If the radio detects HD, the display will > change to From WXXX to WXXX-1, then you turn the main tuning knob one > click > to the right for the HD-2, another click for the HD-3 (and the display > will > change to WXXX-2 and WXXX-3). > > > > Are existing HD receivers able to decode this extra bit-stream? If so, > how does the listener select it? My understanding is that HD receivers > are equipped with HD-1, HD-2, and HD-3 pushbuttons. If there is no > HD-4 button, is one of the main-bit-stream subchannels sacrificed if > you tune to a station that is transmitting the extra bit stream? If > yes, is the sacrificed channel always HD-3? That is, if a station > chooses to use the extra bit stream, is the normal HD-3 channel always > the one sacrificed? Or is there, perhaps, just one HD-channel > pushbutton that, through repeated presses, cycles through all of the > HD subchannels that the selected station is transmitting? > > From JLB7184@aol.com Thu Feb 19 16:16:40 2009 From: JLB7184@aol.com (JLB7184@aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:16:40 EST Subject: WRZE change to WEII Message-ID: There was a shakeup among the Qantum stations within the past two weeks. Morning guy Larry Egan was let go from Cool 102, and other staff/shift changes are ongoing as well. 96.3 The Rose format is the biggest loser here. Apparently the last book was not very kind to the Quntum folks with the exception of WXTK, which seems to be holding its own. John B. Centerville, Cape Cod, MA **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Fri Feb 20 18:44:05 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:44:05 -0500 Subject: WRZE change to WEII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gee, and I remember when that frequency was a great little oldies station, Oldies 96, with talent like Ron Dryer. It was a great little radio station. I had heard that the CHR format which followed was also very successful. So, what happened? SS -----Original Message----- From: JLB7184@aol.com [mailto:JLB7184@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:17 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: re: WRZE change to WEII There was a shakeup among the Qantum stations within the past two weeks. Morning guy Larry Egan was let go from Cool 102, and other staff/shift changes are ongoing as well. 96.3 The Rose format is the biggest loser here. Apparently the last book was not very kind to the Quntum folks with the exception of WXTK, which seems to be holding its own. John B. Centerville, Cape Cod, MA **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From pbencurrier@hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 19:16:30 2009 From: pbencurrier@hotmail.com (pbencurrier) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:16:30 -0500 Subject: WRZE change to WEII References: Message-ID: Yes, and I recall listening to Phil Redo and others many, many years ago on either 1240 or 1170 when they were great little cape stations. Same thing that has happened here that has happened to so many other great little radio stations everywhere. Paul Sandwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Seacoast" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: RE: WRZE change to WEII Gee, and I remember when that frequency was a great little oldies station, Oldies 96, with talent like Ron Dryer. It was a great little radio station. I had heard that the CHR format which followed was also very successful. So, what happened? SS -----Original Message----- From: JLB7184@aol.com [mailto:JLB7184@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:17 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org Subject: re: WRZE change to WEII There was a shakeup among the Qantum stations within the past two weeks. Morning guy Larry Egan was let go from Cool 102, and other staff/shift changes are ongoing as well. 96.3 The Rose format is the biggest loser here. Apparently the last book was not very kind to the Quntum folks with the exception of WXTK, which seems to be holding its own. John B. Centerville, Cape Cod, MA **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From markwats@comcast.net Sun Feb 22 12:50:02 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:50:02 -0500 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary Message-ID: <16F759321DEA485CB8BC749ECAE5A094@Mark> A team of fans who grew up to be filmmakers are creating a documentary about V-66 (WVJV-TV), the Boston area's music video station that in it's short life gave many Boston area bands exposure that they couldn't get from MTV and gave many who did not have cable TV the chance to watch music videos. The plan is to have the film ready to be shown early next year, the 25th anniversary of V-66's first broadcast, according to this Boston Globe article: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/02/22/v_66_memories_heading_to_big_screen/ Mark Watson From paul@derrynh.net Sun Feb 22 16:23:14 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:23:14 -0500 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary In-Reply-To: <16F759321DEA485CB8BC749ECAE5A094@Mark> References: <16F759321DEA485CB8BC749ECAE5A094@Mark> Message-ID: <3A7A8D119A2B4AC395005F4479E27C58@PaulPC> Living in Allston at the time (1984-5), I was a Big V-66 watcher....Cable had not made it to Allston yet at that time.... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary > A team of fans who grew up to be filmmakers are creating a documentary > about V-66 (WVJV-TV), the Boston area's music video station that in it's > short life gave many Boston area bands exposure that they couldn't get > from MTV and gave many who did not have cable TV the chance to watch music > videos. The plan is to have the film ready to be shown early next year, > the 25th anniversary of V-66's first broadcast, according to this Boston > Globe article: > > http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/02/22/v_66_memories_heading_to_big_screen/ > > Mark Watson > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Feb 22 18:27:15 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:27:15 -0500 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary Message-ID: <20090222232715.8F2B3CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> The teaser trailer has been on YouTube for over a year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqouGVGNdtg From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 22 18:50:10 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:50:10 -0600 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary In-Reply-To: <3A7A8D119A2B4AC395005F4479E27C58@PaulPC> References: <16F759321DEA485CB8BC749ECAE5A094@Mark> <3A7A8D119A2B4AC395005F4479E27C58@PaulPC> Message-ID: <4fc429770902221550h567f0f1q7cdd441ce2bc6967@mail.gmail.com> John and Arnie became multi-millionaires because of Channel 66. John had the CP for WGTR-TV but had no idea what to do with it. Arnie became his partner and was the one who said MTV-Boston. Once Boston and Cambridge were wired for cable the time came for a buyer and Home Shopping Club paid an outrageous amount for it. John and Arnie's biggest obstacle was finding a transmitter location and found it next to the Hudson town dump. The Globe indicates that Arnie is stunned anyone would care and that is exactly the way he was in 1970 when as a salesman for WRKO he refused to believe anybody remembered him on WMEX. He perhaps is the most modest talent I have ever met and also the smartest. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 19:58:33 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:58:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902221550h567f0f1q7cdd441ce2bc6967@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458752.19947.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, 2/22/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Globe indicates that Arnie is stunned anyone would care > and that > is exactly the way he was in 1970 when as a salesman for > WRKO he > refused to believe anybody remembered him on WMEX. He > perhaps is the > most modest talent I have ever met and also the smartest. Wasn't he also an investor in Pyramid during its early days? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Feb 22 20:10:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:10:01 -0600 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary In-Reply-To: <458752.19947.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770902221550h567f0f1q7cdd441ce2bc6967@mail.gmail.com> <458752.19947.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902221710i344ac700of758faf1833c6cbb@mail.gmail.com> Arnie was the driving force of WXKS He was also an engineering genius. He designed the 111 Broadway studios of WMEX. (and got his first phone legit no diploma mill for him) On 2/22/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Sun, 2/22/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> The Globe indicates that Arnie is stunned anyone would care >> and that >> is exactly the way he was in 1970 when as a salesman for >> WRKO he >> refused to believe anybody remembered him on WMEX. He >> perhaps is the >> most modest talent I have ever met and also the smartest. > > Wasn't he also an investor in Pyramid during its early days? > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 22 20:19:12 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:19:12 -0500 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary References: <458752.19947.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3476B1A27E4A4C9793D9AD9A242C16EA@SatU205S5044> Yes, and what he invested MAY have been sweat equity. He did engineering work for WXKS (AM) and, I think, Kiss 108. They may have paid him in stock (I'm pretty sure he had an equity stake in the stations back when they were locally owned). That stock would have first become Pyramid stock and eventually Clear Channel stock. Since he is one smart guy, he might easily have dumped the CCU before it tanked. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary > On Sun, 2/22/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> The Globe indicates that Arnie is stunned anyone would care >> and that >> is exactly the way he was in 1970 when as a salesman for >> WRKO he >> refused to believe anybody remembered him on WMEX. He >> perhaps is the >> most modest talent I have ever met and also the smartest. > > Wasn't he also an investor in Pyramid during its early days? > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 22 20:20:51 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:20:51 -0500 Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary References: <4fc429770902221550h567f0f1q7cdd441ce2bc6967@mail.gmail.com><458752.19947.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902221710i344ac700of758faf1833c6cbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I thought he had an engineering degree from Northeastern. Not so? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary > Arnie was the driving force of WXKS > > He was also an engineering genius. He designed the 111 Broadway > studios of WMEX. > > (and got his first phone legit no diploma mill for him) > > > > On 2/22/09, Sean Smyth wrote: >> On Sun, 2/22/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> The Globe indicates that Arnie is stunned anyone would care >>> and that >>> is exactly the way he was in 1970 when as a salesman for >>> WRKO he >>> refused to believe anybody remembered him on WMEX. He >>> perhaps is the >>> most modest talent I have ever met and also the smartest. >> >> Wasn't he also an investor in Pyramid during its early days? >> >> >> >> From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 21:06:37 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:06:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary References: <16F759321DEA485CB8BC749ECAE5A094@Mark> <3A7A8D119A2B4AC395005F4479E27C58@PaulPC> Message-ID: <836345.3504.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We used to have parties in our dorm rooms at Gordon College in Wenham to watch - they weren't wired at the time. ________________________________ From: Paul Hopfgarten To: Mark Watson ; Boston Radio Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:23:14 PM Subject: Re: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary Living in Allston at the time (1984-5), I was a Big V-66 watcher....Cable had not made it to Allston yet at that time.... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Local Filmmakers To Create V-66 Documentary >? A team of fans who grew up to be filmmakers are creating a documentary about V-66 (WVJV-TV), the Boston area's music video station that in it's short life gave many Boston area bands exposure that they couldn't get from MTV and gave many who did not have cable TV the chance to watch music videos. The plan is to have the film ready to be shown early next year, the 25th anniversary of V-66's first broadcast, according to this Boston Globe article: > > http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/02/22/v_66_memories_heading_to_big_screen/ > > Mark Watson > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 16:00:02 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Melissa Bell arrested for DUI Message-ID: <82212.57135.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fox 25 fill-in meterologist Melissa Bell was arrested for drunk driving on Friday. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1154069&format=email I saw her on the 10p news Friday and she looked HORRIBLE, like she just got out of bed. Her clothes were not something you would expect a professional reporter to wear and she couldn't put a sentence together. Now I know why. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Feb 23 17:05:59 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:59 -0500 Subject: Melissa Bell arrested for DUI In-Reply-To: <82212.57135.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <82212.57135.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49A31DC7.8020707@gmail.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > Fox 25 fill-in meterologist Melissa Bell was arrested for drunk driving on Friday. > While this is a sad story it could have been tragic. I can only hope she gets the help that she needs. Her career is not the problem right now. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 17:22:56 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:22:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Melissa Bell arrested for DUI References: <82212.57135.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49A31DC7.8020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <688962.31294.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I know she has young children and I'm glad they weren't with her at the time. ________________________________ From: Bill O'Neill To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:05:59 PM Subject: Re: Melissa Bell arrested for DUI Maureen Carney wrote: > Fox 25 fill-in meterologist Melissa Bell was arrested for drunk driving on Friday. >? While this is a sad story it could have been tragic. I can only hope she gets the help that she needs. Her career is not the problem right now. Bill O'Neill From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 23:00:44 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:00:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Melissa Bell arrested for DUI In-Reply-To: <82212.57135.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <338908.11634.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 2/23/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Fox 25 fill-in meterologist Melissa Bell was arrested for > drunk driving on Friday. > > http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1154069&format=email > > I saw her on the 10p news Friday and she looked HORRIBLE, > like she just got out of bed. Her clothes were not something > you would expect a professional reporter to wear and she > couldn't put a sentence together. Now I know why. In this economic environment, isn't this almost carte blanche for an employer to cut someone loose? I'm surprised they let her on the air like that. (I hope she gets the help she needs, too.) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 10:38:01 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:38:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clyde Joy Country Music - Channels 9 and 8?? Message-ID: <325761.74057.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My wife and I were discussing the Grandy Daddy of Country Music in New England, Clyde Joy, who recently passed away at age 92. My wife lived right next door to Mazzie and Clyde for about a dozen years. I had the pleasure of being invited over for meals on a few occasions. My wife was over there much more often. At times I pick here up there for a date, rather than at her house. I remember Clyde Joy and Willie Mae (wife #2) being on channel 9 WMUR TV for ages. I also remember the Circle 9 Ranch in Epsom. My wife's aunt and uncle lived adjacent to the ranch. According to: http://www.hillbilly-music.com/artists/story/index.php?id=15040 "He later appeared with Clyde Joy and the Country Folks on Channel 8, Poland Springs, Maine, and WMUR-TV in Manchester, New Hampshire." Question is: Did Clyde do a unique show for both channels 8 and 9, or was one show done for channel 9 and bicylced up to channel 8. I have no recollection at all of the show being on Channel 8. Bonus question. Does anybody remember Clyde's Cadillac Camper. Last time I checked it was still in the yard on North Main Street in Salem NH! John B From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Feb 24 19:07:23 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:07:23 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> According to R&R, Michael Savage is partnering with the Thomas More Law Center to fight a potential "return of the Fairness Doctrine" Is he serious or just posturing for publicity? From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Feb 24 12:05:04 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:05:04 -0600 Subject: Clyde Joy Country Music - Channels 9 and 8?? In-Reply-To: <325761.74057.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <325761.74057.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902240905q4d499a34s59e86f1df6f69325@mail.gmail.com> I have fond memories working camera for Clyde at WMUR as his show along with New Hampshire Bandstand were the only shows that the crew could be creative with shots ( not easy without a zoom ) Ray Harris was the director and we had a blast. Clyde always seemed to work one song into each show and 40 plus years later I can hear him singing 'Well I got my education out behind the barn' RIP Clyde On 2/24/09, John Bolduc wrote: > > My wife and I were discussing the Grandy Daddy of Country Music in New > England, Clyde Joy, who recently passed away at age 92. > > My wife lived right next door to Mazzie and Clyde for about a dozen years. I > had the pleasure of being invited over for meals on a few occasions. My wife > was over there much more often. At times I pick here up there for a date, > rather than at her house. > > I remember Clyde Joy and Willie Mae (wife #2) being on channel 9 WMUR TV for > ages. I also remember the Circle 9 Ranch in Epsom. My wife's aunt and uncle > lived adjacent to the ranch. > > According to: > http://www.hillbilly-music.com/artists/story/index.php?id=15040 > > "He later appeared with Clyde Joy and the Country Folks on Channel 8, Poland > Springs, Maine, and WMUR-TV in Manchester, New Hampshire." > > Question is: > > Did Clyde do a unique show for both channels 8 and 9, or was one show done > for channel 9 and bicylced up to channel 8. I have no recollection at all > of the show being on Channel 8. > > > > Bonus question. > Does anybody remember Clyde's Cadillac Camper. Last time I checked it was > still in the yard on North Main Street in Salem NH! > > John B > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Feb 24 19:39:13 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:39:13 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> References: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20090225003917.EC89F736531@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:07 PM 2/24/2009, Roger Kirk wrote: >According to R&R, Michael Savage is partnering with the Thomas More >Law Center to fight a potential "return of the Fairness Doctrine" > >Is he serious or just posturing for publicity? This has long been a big talking point and fund-raising tool for the extreme right wing. The Savages and Limbaughs know it's not true, but it gets their base all outraged. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Feb 25 00:25:16 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:25:16 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> The effort by Savage and the Thomas More Center isn't the only one; former San Diego mayor and current Radio America talk host Roger Hedgecock has joined forces in establishing the Free Radio Coalition which is dedicated to opposing the possible re-introduction of the Doctrine or something similar. The FRC feels that government should not be a media watchdog and that during the Doctrine's time "it was repeatedly used by presidents and other political leaders to muzzle dissent and criticism" and that its repeal resulted in an explosion of different viewpoints, led by Rush Limbaugh. They're hoping to hold a summit of talk hosts and religious broadcasters in Washington D.C. to strategize. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/25/inside-politics-26742393/ The basis of this effort, which I support, is the line in the Constitution saying that Congress "shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or the press". Mr. Obama says he does not support the re-imposition of the doctrine, though some feel that "localism" should be addressed. (Breaking apart the major station owners...?) It's going to be interesting, at the very least. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 25 01:15:43 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:15:43 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:25 AM 2/25/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >The effort by Savage and the Thomas More Center isn't the only one; >former San Diego mayor and current >Radio America talk host Roger Hedgecock has joined forces in >establishing the Free Radio Coalition which >is dedicated to opposing the possible re-introduction of the >Doctrine or something similar. The FRC >feels that government should not be a media watchdog and that during >the Doctrine's time "it was repeatedly used by presidents and other >political leaders to muzzle dissent and criticism" and that its >repeal resulted in an explosion of different viewpoints, >led by Rush Limbaugh. Umm, nice right wing talking points, but the reality is far different. Under the Fairness Doctrine, many rightie talkers became very wealthy and very popular. They were not muzzled or stifled or anything. And there were also leftie or moderate talkers, and they too became successful and wealthy. There is so much myth about the Fairness Doctrine that it boggles the minds of those of us who are media historians. The right uses the alleged immanent return of the FD as a fund-raising tool, but seriously, there is ZERO effort to bring it back. A couple of congresspeople like it and want it, but that's hardly a major movement. As for the end of the FD resulting in an explosion of different viewpoints, that is totally inaccurate. The repeal of the doctrine was part of a long-standing (and I must admit very successful) effort on the part of conservatives to re-make talk radio and put forth a specific viewpoint to the exclusion of all others. The "explosion of different viewpoints" is quite misleading, since there already were a huge number of righties and lefties slugging it out on major stations all across the US. Since the Republicans successfully got rid of the Fairness Doctrine, talk radio is now 95% right wing and conservative. What explosion of viewpoints were you talking about, Bob? From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Feb 25 01:49:52 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:49:52 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> Donna wrote: > A couple of congresspeople like it and want it, but that's hardly > a major movement. A little internet searching turned up some big names in support of a revived "Fairness Doctrine", including one of our own Commonwealth's U.S. Senators. Senators Schumer and Durbin have called for it: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/schumer-defends-fairness-doctrine-as-fair-and-balanced-2008-11-04.html Senator Kerry called for it in 2007, as have Senator Feinstein and Rep. Kucinich: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/109418-Kerry_Wants_Fairness_Doctrine_Reimposed.php Speaker Pelosi said she wants it, at a June 2008 event sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27185 So while a new "Fairness Doctrine" may really be an unattainable liberal day-dream, that list of powerful Democrats (plus Kucinich who is arguably not powerful) gives FD opponents plenty of reason to gear up a campaign against it. --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 25 01:58:14 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:58:14 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >Richard wrote-- > >So while a new "Fairness Doctrine" may really be an unattainable >liberal day-dream, that list of powerful Democrats (plus Kucinich >who is arguably not powerful) gives FD opponents plenty of reason to >gear up a campaign against it. Umm, 6 people out of how many-- 400??? And just because a politician says they want something, that doesn't mean it will come up for a vote, especially when the president himself has said he isn't in favour of it. This is a fake issue, and while my friends on the right might wanna use the fear of the FD to raise some money, the reality is that congress is more worried about other issues. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Feb 25 02:09:55 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:09:55 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49A4EEC3.2090400@gabrielmass.com> Donna Halper wrote: > the president himself has said he isn't in favour of it. "favour"? What: did you turn Canadian on us, Donna? :-) -- --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 25 02:18:05 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:18:05 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A4EEC3.2090400@gabrielmass.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49A4EEC3.2090400@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20090225071809.CA00B1B40F4@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 02:09 AM 2/25/2009, Richard Chonak wrote: >Donna Halper wrote: >>the president himself has said he isn't in favour of it. > >"favour"? What: did you turn Canadian on us, Donna? :-) Been using Canadian spelling for years. Since I was a teenager, in fact. From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 11:23:01 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:23:01 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49A57065.1040707@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > The repeal of the doctrine was part of a long-standing (and I must > admit very successful) effort on the part of conservatives to re-make > talk radio and put forth a specific viewpoint to the exclusion of all > others. The weak spot there, as I see it, is the brand. And it's more than Skippy versus Jif. Liberal talk radio has not proved profitable even with yeoman efforts to engage it in considerable markets. How can conservatives impact upon a liberal's ability to deliver a profitable radio product? Alan Colmes is a brilliant guy with a great product and is unapologetically liberal. After that, the list gets blurry. Now, if one draws upon the conservative-corporate-driving-radio angle to explain the paucity of successful liberal left talk it loses more and more footing as ad revenues dry up across the board and all money begins to look green. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 11:25:59 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:25:59 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225003917.EC89F736531@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> <20090225003917.EC89F736531@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49A57117.4050702@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > This has long been a big talking point and fund-raising tool for the > extreme right wing. The Savages and Limbaughs know it's not true, but > it gets their base all outraged. Not sure if you mean fund-raising or profit generating? And, in fairness, do we ever describe liberals as "extreme left" or "extreme progressives"? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Feb 25 13:15:34 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:15:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A57117.4050702@gmail.com> References: <49A57117.4050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235585734.372312906@192.168.1.70> >Bill asked: "And, in >fairness, do we ever describe liberals as "extreme left" or "extreme >progressives"?" Absolutely. I see "extreme left" often in the mainstream media and not just in right wing magazines. As with the right, there are all shades of political ideology. John McCain on the right is not the same as Rush Limbaugh. Arlen Specter is considered a moderate in the Republican Party whereas Jim Bunning and John Cornyn are considered extreme right. Similarly, Dennis Kucinich and Amy Goodman are often referred to as "extreme left" in their views, whereas there are other Democrats and progressives who are considered more centrist and moderate on the political spectrum-- Senator Tom Harkin or progressive talker Ed Schultz are two examples-- leftie on some things, very very leftie on others, centrist or even leaning right on a few. (Ed is very much pro-life, for example, a position usually associated with conservatives.) (I haven't heard "very progressive" much-- but 'very left-wing' and 'very right-wing" absolutely are used in the media. From friedbagels@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 13:01:30 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:01:30 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> What about Rachel Maddow? Or Stephanie Miller? Or Randi Rhodes? Granted, besides Colmes those are the only three I can think of. (shrugs) But then again, I could just as easily argue that there's perhaps three or four really skilled conserva-talkers and the rest are just hacks and blowhards. I think part of the reason why the coffers are so bare for liberal talk radio is, perhaps ironically, because of the success of NPR...which is decidedly more centrist. If NPR didn't exist, I suspect a lot of its listeners would be available to gravitate to a quality liberal talk product. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm Donna Halper wrote: > The repeal of the doctrine was part of a long-standing (and I must > admit very successful) effort on the part of conservatives to re-make > talk radio and put forth a specific viewpoint to the exclusion of all > others. The weak spot there, as I see it, is the brand. And it's more than Skippy versus Jif. Liberal talk radio has not proved profitable even with yeoman efforts to engage it in considerable markets. How can conservatives impact upon a liberal's ability to deliver a profitable radio product? Alan Colmes is a brilliant guy with a great product and is unapologetically liberal. After that, the list gets blurry. Now, if one draws upon the conservative-corporate-driving-radio angle to explain the paucity of successful liberal left talk it loses more and more footing as ad revenues dry up across the board and all money begins to look green. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Feb 25 16:26:49 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:26:49 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: You are probably correct. But Congress has done a number of things in the last year that I could not have imagined happening so why your anger about opponents getting organized? Isn't it better to be prepared instead of sorry you were not prepared? Or would you actually like to see the Doctrine return? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Richard Chonak" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine >the reality is that congress is more worried about other issues. From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Feb 25 16:27:59 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:27:59 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090225071809.CA00B1B40F4@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com><20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><49A4EEC3.2090400@gabrielmass.com> <20090225071809.CA00B1B40F4@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <67DE1E7382974743A6A985F435E2E7AD@DanBillingsPC> And the Canadians have all sorts of government controls over media content. I am seeing a pattern . . . ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Richard Chonak" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine > Been using Canadian spelling for years. Since I was a teenager, in fact. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 26 11:09:22 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:22 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> References: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18854.48818.197337.300047@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > According to R&R, Michael Savage is partnering with the Thomas More Law > Center to fight a potential "return of the Fairness Doctrine" > Is he serious or just posturing for publicity? He's a serious bottom-feeder, anyway. Of course he's just posturing for publicity. That's *all he does*. He's in it to make money, and whatever gets his audience riled up will do. On the wider issue, it's really no different from the way the PBS stations trot out Big Bird whenever Congress talks about cutting CPB. Except that there's always been a better chance of CPB cuts than of a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 11:33:25 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:33:25 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: References: <20090225052516.81A6A49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><20090225061548.182C11B4004@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><49A4EA10.40102@gabrielmass.com> <20090225065818.69F151B408F@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49A6C455.3080500@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > You are probably correct. But Congress has done a number of things in > the last year that I could not have imagined happening so why your > anger about opponents getting organized? Isn't it better to be > prepared instead of sorry you were not prepared? > That holds true on many levels. There are many financial people talking about cashing out, etc., who are getting laughed at. (I wish my "people" were better organized on market moves.) Advertising industry is already tanking as buyers have nothing to throw down. In such an unstable industry we all need to stay alert to undue interference. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 11:39:48 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:39:48 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> References: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> Aaron Read wrote: > What about Rachel Maddow? Or Stephanie Miller? Or Randi Rhodes? > Granted, besides Colmes those are the only three I can think of. > (shrugs) But then again, I could just as easily argue that there's > perhaps three or four really skilled conserva-talkers and the rest are > just hacks and blowhards. Maddow's TV numbers are tanking despite the wing-man cover from other media to trumpet her "historic" entry to the chattering classes. Miller and Rhodes and Maddow? I would welcome them in any talk media market if for no other reason than to bring life back to the axiom that a rising tide lifts all boats. The ONLY way inn which that tide can rise is through real and true listenership. Not artificially sustained presence. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 13:29:40 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:29:40 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <18854.48818.197337.300047@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49A48BBB.6000000@ttlc.net> <18854.48818.197337.300047@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49A6DF94.5010502@gmail.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > On the wider issue, it's really no different from the way the PBS > stations trot out Big Bird whenever Congress talks about cutting CPB. > Except that there's always been a better chance of CPB cuts than of a > reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. > Big Bird? No, bring out the "old guys in the balcony" and I'll get out the Amex Card.... Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 26 12:54:19 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:54:19 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> References: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9983b$4750f470$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:40 AM > To: Aaron Read > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine > Maddow's TV numbers are tanking Source? I have not heard that. And if her numbers are going down, how much in comparison to the post-election numbers of other talkers? Did they all go down following the election? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 26 14:44:54 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:44:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <000c01c9983b$4750f470$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <000c01c9983b$4750f470$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <1235677494.03414616@192.168.1.70> one of our rightie friends wrote: > Maddow's TV numbers are tanking Not according to TVNewser.com or Nielsen, which consistently rate her close to or occasionally ahead of Larry King in the 25-54 demo. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 26 15:19:24 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090226201924.F19AD83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> For now it looks like the Senate may have tabled the revival of the Fairness Doctrine. The vote may have been 87-11 (not sure). Who knows, could be other attempts later or action by the FCC once Democrats get more members...? http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96JF8V00&show_article=1 "The Senate has barred federal regulators from reviving a policy, abandoned two decades ago, that required balanced coverage of issues on public airwaves." The article also points out that the abundance of various media makes enforcement "unneccesary", thus the F.C.C.'s abandonment of it in 1987. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 26 15:22:54 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:22:54 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090226202255.2AEA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> To clarify what I was saying about possible action by the FCC once Democrats get more power on the Commission: I mean via such things as "localism" rules or some other way around it...And who knows, other Congressional votes could be held later on which could reverse this ruling. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 26 15:34:45 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:34:45 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> More details: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/26/demint-tries-prevent-fairness-doctrine-revival/ FAIRNESS DOCTRINE: Senate vote to bar the Fairness Doctrine was 87-11, however it's unclear if this amendment--attached to a D.C. voting rights bill--will survive. This is Sen Jim DeMint's bill, but: LOCALISM: Another bill, sponsored by Sen Dick Durbin, won 57-41 --an attempt to break up big companies like Clear Channel. Some are calling this a back door attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 26 15:39:28 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:39:28 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < quoted some anonymous toiler in the Fox salt^WNews mines: > LOCALISM: Another bill, sponsored by Sen Dick Durbin, won 57-41 --an attempt to break > up big companies like Clear Channel. Some are calling this a back door attempt to > bring back the Fairness Doctrine Trust Fox News to report honestly on issues where it has a financial interest... not. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 26 16:06:24 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:06:24 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <20090226202255.2AEA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090226202255.2AEA183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49A70450.7080309@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > To clarify what I was saying about possible action by the FCC once Democrats get more power on the Commission: I mean > via such things as "localism" rules or some other way around it...And who knows, other Congressional votes could be > held later on which could reverse this ruling. I might note that the big press for enhanced localism rules last year came from a Commission that had a Republican chairman appointed by President Bush, and a 3-2 Republican majority. Just saying... s From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 26 16:08:35 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:08:35 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090226210835.C5E73CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> For what it's worth, a statement from Sen. DeMint's office, as relayed by Michelle Malkin's blog, says that the Durbin amendment is pretty much "an attempt to dismantle successful syndicated radio programs. The Durbin amendment would hurt small, local radio stations who depend on popular syndicated programming for listeners and revenue." http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/26/fairness-doctrine-on-the-senate-floor/ The Demint statement she passes along (he sent it via Twitter) offers his opinion that it would be a backdoor way of bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. While the Senate can boast to opponents of the FD that it fell 87-11, note that the Durbin amendment on localism was a bit closer: 57-41. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 26 16:11:00 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:11:00 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <20090226211100.C2264CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Hmm; then under a 3-2 Democratic leaning it would be even more likely. Of course the recent effort to bring back Leveille is a good sign for localism in some ways, though smaller stations (the WNSH-es of the world) would be hurt (low budget= picking up all syndie weekdays). Nothing wrong with local shows of course, but does the FCC need to mandate them? If so, get ready for True Oldies 1570 up here in Beverly :) >>I might note that the big press for enhanced localism rules last year came from a Commission that had a Republican chairman appointed by President Bush, and a 3-2 Republican majority. Just saying... From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Feb 26 14:52:21 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:52:21 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> References: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46CF0B51-6EE0-4001-8072-85B0E2FA6259@mac.com> On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > > Maddow's TV numbers are tanking Not true. She's more than doubled MSNBC's audience from a year ago in both 12+, and 25-54 where they went from 178,000 viewers at 9PM to 383,000 this month. Yes, Hannity is #1. No, Rachel Maddow is not "tanking." Source: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/ february_ratings_msnbcs_best_february_yet_109571.asp From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Feb 26 16:50:43 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:50:43 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49A70EB3.9050809@gabrielmass.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > > Trust Fox News to report honestly on issues where it has a financial > interest... not. What's the connection? The web site for News Corp doesn't show any owned radio stations. --RC From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 17:22:56 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:22:56 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <46CF0B51-6EE0-4001-8072-85B0E2FA6259@mac.com> References: <49A5877A.1040904@gmail.com> <49A6C5D4.9010100@gmail.com> <46CF0B51-6EE0-4001-8072-85B0E2FA6259@mac.com> Message-ID: <49A71640.5050209@gmail.com> Mark Laurence wrote: > Not true. She's more than doubled MSNBC's audience from a year ago in > both 12+, and 25-54 where they went from 178,000 viewers at 9PM to > 383,000 this month. Yes, Hannity is #1. No, Rachel Maddow is not > "tanking." > > Source: > http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/february_ratings_msnbcs_best_february_yet_109571.asp Please revise "tanking" with "showing better numbers than she did on radio." The larger point is let's encourage liberal talk to succeed in markets by letting it succeed on its own merits. A solid set of options between quality liberal and conservative talk can keep AM and FMTalk in the game. And let the numbers tell the story. Bill O' From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 17:41:40 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:41:40 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> I gotta say this... Some of my best buddies here on this list would support a return of the Fairness Doctrine; one of the key reasons I could not support it is the spooky, murky atmosphere it creates. (I know that may make zero sense but...) We are in a time where so much is dramatically changing economically and politically; it is in this spirit that I am actually afraid of such a misnamed governmental edict. It's the slippery slope we all seem to oblivious to. And this is my view in spite of the fact that my gut tells me it couldn't even be enforced very well. We are finally in a place were a sea change of power is showing massive impact, for better or worse. Enforcement would be significant for the fact that a subjective judgment would need to be made regarding point of view. Point of view. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 26 17:58:32 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:58:32 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> In any case, I am now reading on the internets that the senate voted this afternoon to prohibit the FCC re-imposing the fairness doctrine by a vote of 87-11. This means not only the Republicans, but a good majority of the Democrats are against the re-imposition of this rule. So I think at this point it's likely a dead issue, and Savage and Limbaugh will have to find something else to rave about. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:42 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: More on the FD > > I gotta say this... Some of my best buddies here on this list > would support a return of the Fairness Doctrine; one of the > key reasons I could not support it is the spooky, murky > atmosphere it creates. (I know that may make zero sense > but...) We are in a time where so much is dramatically > changing economically and politically; it is in this spirit > that I am actually afraid of such a misnamed governmental > edict. It's the slippery slope we all seem to oblivious to. > And this is my view in spite of the fact that my gut tells me > it couldn't even be enforced very well. We are finally in a > place were a sea change of power is showing massive impact, > for better or worse. Enforcement would be significant for the > fact that a subjective judgment would need to be made > regarding point of view. Point of view. > > Bill O'Neill > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Feb 26 17:59:39 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:59:39 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <49A70EB3.9050809@gabrielmass.com> References: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49A70EB3.9050809@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <18855.7899.137769.325838@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Trust Fox News to report honestly on issues where it has a financial >> interest... not. > What's the connection? The web site for News Corp doesn't show any > owned radio stations. Clear Channel's Premiere Radio Networks syndicates Fox News Radio and Fox Sports Radio. That's why most (all?) Clear Channel N/T stations run Fox News ToH. If CC is forced to shrink even further -- which many people think it will have to even without changes in the law -- then some of those stations may choose alternative news providers. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Feb 26 18:33:30 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:33:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Message-ID: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> Regarding the false claim that Rachel Maddow's numbers are "tanking," the Los Angeles Times from yesterday tells a different story: Keith Olbermann's numbers are up 32% over a year ago this time, and Rachel's are up over 122%. Further, Rachel continues to score close to or slightly ahead of Larry King on a regular basis, so I don't know where this idea that her show was doing badly came from. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 26 18:28:45 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:28:45 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <18855.7899.137769.325838@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49A70EB3.9050809@gabrielmass.com> <18855.7899.137769.325838@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <004001c99869$f8a7bbe0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:00 PM > To: Richard Chonak > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine > > < said: > > > Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Trust Fox News to report honestly on issues where it has a > financial > >> interest... not. > > > What's the connection? The web site for News Corp doesn't > show any > > owned radio stations. > > Clear Channel's Premiere Radio Networks syndicates Fox News > Radio and Fox Sports Radio. Clear Channel's WINZ 940 in Miami is reported to be going to be dropping progressive talk for Fox Sports, even though the current format is drawing decent numbers. The rationalle given is that it will be cheaper for them to air programming which they already own. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 26 19:45:45 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:45:45 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I am now reading on the internets that the senate voted this afternoon to prohibit the FCC re-imposing the fairness doctrine by a vote of 87-11. This means not only the Republicans, but a good majority of the Democrats are against the re-imposition of this rule. So I think at this point it's likely a dead issue, and Savage and Limbaugh will have to find something else to rave about.<< But: They won't. Their audience is energized by this sort of thing, especially since Limbaugh has effectively called the President a liar for saying he doesn't favor the FD's return. RL is absolutely convinced that some form of FD will be enacted via some sort of back-door rider on a bill which the President will feel compelled to sign. With the conservative base, this issue has the same kind of legs as the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels compelled to periodically quash, that they will be banning religious broadcasting. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 19:40:11 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:40:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <18855.7899.137769.325838@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <407434.83128.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 2/26/09, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Clear Channel's Premiere Radio Networks syndicates Fox > News Radio and > Fox Sports Radio. I thought Fox started distributing Fox News Radio on its own a few years ago? I thought Scott mentioned this about NERW, but my attempts at Googling for the issue at hand is failing. From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Feb 26 22:13:01 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:13:01 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49A75A3D.60301@gabrielmass.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >> > With the conservative base, this issue has the same kind of legs as the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels compelled to periodically quash, that they will be banning religious broadcasting. The difference being that the urban legend's restriction on broadcasting isn't supported by 11 real Senators willing to vote openly for it. --RC From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Feb 26 19:01:58 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:01:58 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> References: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <49a72d8e.9e03be0a.0caf.ffffd270@mx.google.com> dlh@donnahalper.com wrote: >Regarding the false claim that Rachel Maddow's numbers are >"tanking," the Los Angeles Times from yesterday tells a different >story: Keith Olbermann's numbers are up 32% over a year ago this >time, and Rachel's are up over 122%. Further, Rachel continues to >score close to or slightly ahead of Larry King on a regular basis, >so I don't know where this idea that her show was doing badly came from. Growth percentages mean nothing. It's like a station that had a .1 share last book comes in with a .3 share this book. Yeah, they've tripled their audience, but they're still a nobody in the market. Do we have any hard #s? From billohno@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 22:57:42 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:57:42 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <004001c99869$f8a7bbe0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <20090226203445.5F27B49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <18854.65024.869055.857247@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49A70EB3.9050809@gabrielmass.com> <18855.7899.137769.325838@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <004001c99869$f8a7bbe0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <49A764B6.5000705@gmail.com> Larry Weil wrote: > Clear Channel's WINZ 940 in Miami is reported to be going to be dropping > progressive talk for Fox Sports, even though the current format is drawing > decent numbers. The rationalle given is that it will be cheaper for them to > air programming which they already own. > Perhaps another signal in town will fill the void? Any takers? Bill O' From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 26 23:20:38 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> References: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: Percentages mean NOTHING by themsleves...... If my show goes from 1000 to 2000 listeners, I can claim a 100% increase... If your show goes from 15,000 to 18,000 listeners you have a 20% increase.... I have the fastest growing show in the market! (The Boston Herald a # of years ago used this type of comparison to the Globe to claim it was the fastest growing newspaper in Boston,,,True, but quite misleading....) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH (A proud but VERY concerned Conservative) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine Regarding the false claim that Rachel Maddow's numbers are "tanking," the Los Angeles Times from yesterday tells a different story: Keith Olbermann's numbers are up 32% over a year ago this time, and Rachel's are up over 122%. Further, Rachel continues to score close to or slightly ahead of Larry King on a regular basis, so I don't know where this idea that her show was doing badly came from. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 26 23:34:54 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:34:54 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com>, <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 26 Feb 2009 at 19:45, Sid Schweiger wrote: > But: They won't. Their audience is energized by this sort of thing, > especially since Limbaugh has effectively called the President a liar > for saying he doesn't favor the FD's return. RL is absolutely > convinced that some form of FD will be enacted via some sort of > back-door rider on a bill which the President will feel compelled to > sign. And then when it doesn't happen, they'll take credit for preventing it. > With the conservative base, this issue has the same kind of legs as > the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels compelled to > periodically quash, that they will be banning religious broadcasting. They're not? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 27 00:13:31 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:13:31 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com>, <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4F595BB598DE4EB3A1551C38D8059170@PaulPC> As far as 'religious' broadcasts...... The issue is NOT to ban, but to allow ANY to have equal access to the airways. If the Church of Satan wants a station or network, its allowance should be subject to the same rules as ANY OTHER church. Banning Religious broadcasts is NOT the answer. The real question that has NEVER really been tackled is WHAT IS A RELIGION......because banning ALL expressions of Religion in any public venue, including on the airways is the cowardly way out, and IMHO counter to the Constitution and the intent of our Founding Fathers. Maybe Religion is like Obsenity......"I'll know it when I see it" Maybe as simple as 'documentable membership in the USA'..... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Sid Schweiger" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: RE: More on the FD > On 26 Feb 2009 at 19:45, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >> But: They won't. Their audience is energized by this sort of thing, >> especially since Limbaugh has effectively called the President a liar >> for saying he doesn't favor the FD's return. RL is absolutely >> convinced that some form of FD will be enacted via some sort of >> back-door rider on a bill which the President will feel compelled to >> sign. > > And then when it doesn't happen, they'll take credit for preventing > it. > >> With the conservative base, this issue has the same kind of legs as >> the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels compelled to >> periodically quash, that they will be banning religious broadcasting. > > They're not? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 27 00:37:09 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:37:09 -0500 Subject: Michael Savage vs The Fairness Doctrine In-Reply-To: References: <1235691210.120916185@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <18855.31749.982769.52842@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Percentages mean NOTHING by themsleves...... > If my show goes from 1000 to 2000 listeners, I can claim a 100% increase... > If your show goes from 15,000 to 18,000 listeners you have a 20% > increase.... But of course that was exactly the sort of claim that Bob Nelson was making. To describe a show's ratings as "tanking" is to make a quantitative claim (albeit a squidgy one) about relative changes in audience. Such claims are questions of fact and can be settled definitively by doing a survey of the sort that A.C. Nielsen does. (Why, on the other hand, this would matter to anyone who isn't either buying or selling spot time is beyond me. Ratings don't correlate very well with either quality[1] or factual accuracy.) -GAWollman [1] Unless you beg the question by defining "quality" as being whatever it is that audience reach estimates purport to measure. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 02:04:08 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:04:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here's my take on the Limbaugh bit..... How many times does Limbaugh, have to be told that President Obama does NOT SUPPORT the re-installation of the old "Fairness Doctrine"? It's something (the FD) who's time has come and gone. Good riddance! There are so many new avenues today for expressing differing opinions including the Internet and stations like WBAI, KPFA, WWCR and more, that the need for a so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is pretty much moot. Limbaugh has a tendency to "make a mountain out of a mole-hill". He's just grandstanding for the almighty "Arbitron". Now, with so many choices out there in this "multi-thousand stream" universe, there is NO need to insist that every single media outlet (including radio or TV stations) have to provide "equal time" to every "Tom, Dick, Jane or Harry". For the most part, many stations DO provide for opposite opinions, already. It's part the free enterprise system, and it works.... pretty damn well. There is VERY LITTLE chance that a so-called retooled "Fairness Doctrine" will ever see the light of day for the foreseeable future. This is NOT 1970. Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the man (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him to do. The man's only been in office for 35 days. Cripes....., we've already seen what Rush's buddies from the previous administration did to this great nation's economy and its' reputation overseas. Not too impressive, not by a long shot. NOW, it's President Obama's turn to show what HE is made of. Give the guy (and his cabinet) a chance to do the job. If he DOESN'T, there's ALWAYS a ballot box in 2012. I hope he succeeds. Soapbox mode off....... Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Thu, 2/26/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > From: A. Joseph Ross > Subject: RE: More on the FD > To: "Sid Schweiger" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 11:34 PM > On 26 Feb 2009 at 19:45, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > > But: They won't. Their audience is energized by > this sort of thing, > > especially since Limbaugh has effectively called the > President a liar > > for saying he doesn't favor the FD's return. > RL is absolutely > > convinced that some form of FD will be enacted via > some sort of > > back-door rider on a bill which the President will > feel compelled to > > sign. > > And then when it doesn't happen, they'll take > credit for preventing > it. > > > With the conservative base, this issue has the same > kind of legs as > > the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels > compelled to > > periodically quash, that they will be banning > religious broadcasting. > > They're not? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax > 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 27 10:59:59 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:59:59 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <20090227160000.0216883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Peter wrote: >>It's something (the FD) who's time has come and gone. Good riddance! There are so many new avenues today for expressing differing opinions including the Internet and stations like WBAI, KPFA, WWCR and more, that the need for a so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is pretty much moot. Exactly! And Rush is indeed doing it, as you say, for the ratings and to get his name in the news once again. >>there is NO need to insist that every single media outlet (including radio or TV stations) have to provide "equal time" to every "Tom, Dick, Jane or Harry". Picture a liberal talk station being told to give equal time to conservatives. How about public radio, too? A few years ago the NPR morning show, IIRC, decided to have a conservative on for seven minutes once a week, I believe. They were bombarded with complaints from listeners (how DARE they!) SEVEN MINUTES! Now imagine if conservative opinions got even more time from NPR. Imagine your Joe Sixpack right wing host suddenly showing up on WBUR to lambaste illegal immigration, waste and corruption in government, gay marriage, et al. HORRORS!! But hey, let them run what they want. (How would people feel if their donations to their NPR station were suddenly paying for...a host not much different than Michael Savage?) Let the free market decide. Radio can't help it if people didn't want to flock to what one _liberal_ on a messageboard once called "the molasses-dripped voice of Al Franken". What works, works! I'd hope program directors, etc., would be willing to give talk hosts of any stripe a chance but the government shouldn't force it. >> For the most part, many stations DO provide for opposite opinions, already. It's part the free enterprise system, and it works.... pretty damn well. There's a little something called callers, who hopefully will make it past the call screener. A good example is the left-leaning "Steve from Montreal" on Howie's show, though admittedly Howie has said he might make his show a "Steve-free zone" the rest of the week. (But he was allowed on the air numerous times. I think he calls every day!) Heard some of the callers when Avi Nelson filled in for Howie, disputing him? Other opinions ARE heard on talk radio. They may be shouted down or made fun of but could you imagine how dull a show would be if all you had was a host and callers who agree on every...single...issue? So the government has someone in the control room with a stop watch. "OK, cut off that caller. He's had three minutes. Now put on a liberal caller, line three. We have to give equal time to everybody." Would a religious radio station be forced to air opinions from atheists (or a religion besides their own?) How about the government stipulating "The KKK Hour" air on WILD? >>NOW, it's President Obama's turn to show what HE is made of. Give the guy (and his cabinet) a chance to do the job. If he DOESN'T, there's ALWAYS a ballot box in 2012. I hope he succeeds. Agreed!--Bob From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 27 10:35:15 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:35:15 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com>, <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> <4F595BB598DE4EB3A1551C38D8059170@PaulPC> Message-ID: <003501c998f0$fde0a220$3e8e4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hopfgarten > As far as 'religious' broadcasts...... > > The issue is NOT to ban, but to allow ANY to have equal access to the > airways. If the Church of Satan wants a station or network, its allowance > should be subject to the same rules as ANY OTHER church. > > Banning Religious broadcasts is NOT the answer. > > The real question that has NEVER really been tackled is WHAT IS A > RELIGION To me, it's any codified set of beliefs in a higher power or any other supposed manifestation of the supernatural, even if it has only one adherent. The hermit in a mountaintop cave who thinks he's discovered The Answer has just as much right to call his set of beliefs a religion as the Roman Catholic Church, the Shiites, the Hasidim or the Zoroastrians do. Although he's probably not interested in buying time on WPZE to shout his Answer to the No. 10 radio market, though. Howard From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 27 07:10:20 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:10:20 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F6A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>How many times does Limbaugh, have to be told that President Obama does NOT SUPPORT the re-installation of the old "Fairness Doctrine"?<< He can be told until the cows come home, but that isn't and never was the point. Without challenging the Democrat Party (his endearing term for them, mostly because it ticks them off), Rush has no show. Calling a Democratic president a liar is just another notch in his belt. Look at how long Rush blamed Clinton for everything that was wrong with America, years after Clinton left the WH, and he still brings up Clinton as his favorite scapegoat-of-the-moment whenever he has a chance. That's what he does. The minute he decides to side with the "enemy," he's finished, and he knows it. >>Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the man (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him to do.<< Not a chance in the world. RL has already stated, multiple times, that he wants Obama to fail. He's playing it with deadly aim right at his conservative base, who go hog-wild over exactly this sort of thing. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Fri Feb 27 11:20:22 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:20:22 -0700 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>How many times does Limbaugh, have to be told that President Obama does NOT SUPPORT the re-installation of the old "Fairness Doctrine"?<< He can be told until the cows come home, but that isn't and never was the point. Without challenging the Democrat Party (his endearing term for them, mostly because it ticks them off), Rush has no show. Calling a Democratic president a liar is just another notch in his belt. Look at how long Rush blamed Clinton for everything that was wrong with America, years after Clinton left the WH, and he still brings up Clinton as his favorite scapegoat-of-the-moment whenever he has a chance. That's what he does. The minute he decides to side with the "enemy," he's finished, and he knows it. >>Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the man (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him to do.<< Not a chance in the world. RL has already stated, multiple times, that he wants Obama to fail. He's playing it with deadly aim right at his conservative base, who go hog-wild over exactly this sort of thing. Let's please remember something: Rush is, first, last and every place in-between, an entertainer. He's not a news reporter. He's not a political scientist. He's a re-purposed disk-jockey, who has opinions just like everyone else and uses them to entertain (although he used to be a lot better at it, IMO)...and I don't think the GOP sees, at the moment, the danger they put themselves in as a force in politics when an entertainer is the best person they can find to energize their base. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From iraapple@comcast.net Fri Feb 27 11:39:20 2009 From: iraapple@comcast.net ('iraapple') Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:39:20 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <20090227160000.0216883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090227160000.0216883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8BED2E7C407447419331CB3CB4EC4367@IraApple> All other arguments aside, it never was a matter of EQUAL TIME. That is another canard by the extreme right. EQUAL TIME was only for political candidates. It was never part of the FD. Yet this item about EQUAL TIME keeps showing up in arguments against the FD as a method to alarm anyone with sense who would know that insisting on equal time against every opinion would be impossible. There are legitimate arguments against the FD, but EQUAL TIME is not one of them. Ira Apple -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:00 AM To: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com; Sid Schweiger; A. Joseph Ross Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: More on the FD Peter wrote: >>It's something (the FD) who's time has come and gone. Good riddance! There are so many new avenues today for expressing differing opinions including the Internet and stations like WBAI, KPFA, WWCR and more, that the need for a so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is pretty much moot. Exactly! And Rush is indeed doing it, as you say, for the ratings and to get his name in the news once again. >>there is NO need to insist that every single media outlet (including radio or TV stations) have to provide "equal time" to every "Tom, Dick, Jane or Harry". Picture a liberal talk station being told to give equal time to conservatives. How about public radio, too? A few years ago the NPR morning show, IIRC, decided to have a conservative on for seven minutes once a week, I believe. They were bombarded with complaints from listeners (how DARE they!) SEVEN MINUTES! Now imagine if conservative opinions got even more time from NPR. Imagine your Joe Sixpack right wing host suddenly showing up on WBUR to lambaste illegal immigration, waste and corruption in government, gay marriage, et al. HORRORS!! But hey, let them run what they want. (How would people feel if their donations to their NPR station were suddenly paying for...a host not much different than Michael Savage?) Let the free market decide. Radio can't help it if people didn't want to flock to what one _liberal_ on a messageboard once called "the molasses-dripped voice of Al Franken". What works, works! I'd hope program directors, etc., would be willing to give talk hosts of any stripe a chance but the government shouldn't force it. >> For the most part, many stations DO provide for opposite opinions, already. It's part the free enterprise system, and it works.... pretty damn well. There's a little something called callers, who hopefully will make it past the call screener. A good example is the left-leaning "Steve from Montreal" on Howie's show, though admittedly Howie has said he might make his show a "Steve-free zone" the rest of the week. (But he was allowed on the air numerous times. I think he calls every day!) Heard some of the callers when Avi Nelson filled in for Howie, disputing him? Other opinions ARE heard on talk radio. They may be shouted down or made fun of but could you imagine how dull a show would be if all you had was a host and callers who agree on every...single...issue? So the government has someone in the control room with a stop watch. "OK, cut off that caller. He's had three minutes. Now put on a liberal caller, line three. We have to give equal time to everybody." Would a religious radio station be forced to air opinions from atheists (or a religion besides their own?) How about the government stipulating "The KKK Hour" air on WILD? >>NOW, it's President Obama's turn to show what HE is made of. Give the guy (and his cabinet) a chance to do the job. If he DOESN'T, there's ALWAYS a ballot box in 2012. I hope he succeeds. Agreed!--Bob From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 27 11:41:43 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:41:43 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com><378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F6A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <8D8AB37538214A8987F493080971C992@SatU205S5044> Unfortunately, our Mr Nelson appears to think that HE is Rush Limbaugh. One Limbaugh is already too many for heaven's sake! But Nelson insists on beating the dead, dead, dead Fairness Doctrine horse every chance he can get on this and one other list/message board that he and I habituate. The subject and his views were centuries old several months ago and they get a few years older every day. What's more, for all I know, Nelson flogs this same dead horse on half a dozen or more other lists/sites that I never see. A note to Nelson: you are NOT Rush Limbaugh. Alas, we've heard him. You and he have won the war! Unlike Limbaugh, you have no base to energize. You are not adding anything to his one-sided diatribe. Do you REALLY have to turn 87 to 11 into 98 to 0? Give the damned thing a rest--a long, long, long, well-deserved rest! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: RE: More on the FD >>How many times does Limbaugh, have to be told that President Obama >>does NOT SUPPORT the re-installation of the old "Fairness >>Doctrine"?<< He can be told until the cows come home, but that isn't and never was the point. Without challenging the Democrat Party (his endearing term for them, mostly because it ticks them off), Rush has no show. Calling a Democratic president a liar is just another notch in his belt. Look at how long Rush blamed Clinton for everything that was wrong with America, years after Clinton left the WH, and he still brings up Clinton as his favorite scapegoat-of-the-moment whenever he has a chance. That's what he does. The minute he decides to side with the "enemy," he's finished, and he knows it. >>Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the >>man (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him >>to do.<< Not a chance in the world. RL has already stated, multiple times, that he wants Obama to fail. He's playing it with deadly aim right at his conservative base, who go hog-wild over exactly this sort of thing. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 27 12:02:16 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:02:16 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <20090227170216.D4E47CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Alas, I am not Rush. Were I, I would be a multi-millionaire. The closest I'll get is saying I live down the street from Kerry Murphy Healey :) (For the record I don't share RL's view on everything but I am conservative compared to others; more of a "Dennis Miller" conservative) Want to see some of the other sites? Free Republic is one. But no, I'm glad liberal talk will have to compete in the free market. But hark, did you see the 12 plus (yup, 12 plus, not 25-54s) ratings for Washington D.C.'s "Obama 1260"? These were for the station --WWRC--before they switched to business talk; they came in 38th place (hence the format change). But at least the free market will decide. (And no, I won't repeat Howie's line about 'we already have a liberal talk network-- it's called NPR'--oops, just did!) :) If liberal talk were to be as successful as Rush ("In five years we'll be on 600 stations"--then-Air America's Jon Sinton, 2004, quoted by Mark Jurkowitz in the Globe), great! I'd be all for it. It just needs to compete in a free market. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Feb 27 12:09:49 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:09:49 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <20090227170949.3F77DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> And surely liberal talk radio was very respectful of the most recent GOP president. They supported him in every way, never called him names or disagreed with his positions... Yup! Air America loved W, they sure did. >>Without challenging the Democrat Party (his endearing term for them, mostly because it ticks them off), Rush has no show...The minute he decides to side with the "enemy," he's finished, and he knows it. I do know that talker Phil Hendrie (syndicated, WTKK) had tried to carve out a notch of being non-wedded to a certain party or political stripe. He is liberal or conservative depending on the issues and how things turn out overall, and tries to rise above more strict-idealogue hosts like Rush, Hannity, or the libtalkers. And he's entertaining, doing fictional characters as well as talk with real people. >>Rush is, first, last and every place in-between, an entertainer. He's not a news reporter. He's not a political scientist. He's a re-purposed disk-jockey...and I don't think the GOP sees, at the moment, the danger they put themselves in as a force in politics when an entertainer is the best person they can find to energize their base. Though the Left has also tried to energize their base with entertainers. Remember before Al Franken went into politics? He was a comedian! :) (And Reagan an actor...Back in the 60s and 70s, "Laugh In" used to do a "News Of The Future" feature and would get laughs just from Dan Rowan talking about 'President Ronald Reagan'. Ha, that would never happen eh :) Maybe Al Franken could run for Prez in '16...? :) From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 27 11:45:15 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:45:15 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <003501c998f0$fde0a220$3e8e4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <49A71AA3.5040208@gmail.com> <003901c99865$bfc7c8f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F2F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com> <4F595BB598DE4EB3A1551C38D8059170@PaulPC> <003501c998f0$fde0a220$3e8e4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: At 10:35 AM -0500 2/27/09, Howard Glazer wrote: > > >To me, it's any codified set of beliefs in a higher power or any other >supposed manifestation of the supernatural, even if it has only one >adherent. The hermit in a mountaintop cave who thinks he's discovered The >Answer has just as much right to call his set of beliefs a religion as the >Roman Catholic Church, the Shiites, the Hasidim or the Zoroastrians do. >Although he's probably not interested in buying time on WPZE to shout his >Answer to the No. 10 radio market, though. No, he's more likely to shout to the world using that shortwave station on 7415 KHz in Maine! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 27 15:17:59 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:17:59 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHOA! The Bush Bashers didn't give him 35 nanoseconds...... All of a sudden we're suppose to give Obamanation a "chance"...to what...put MORE tax cheats in his cabinet? Thank god for Talk Radio and FNC to counter the NPR/CNN/MSNBCs and forget the print media...... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Sid Schweiger" ; "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:04 AM Subject: RE: More on the FD > > Here's my take on the Limbaugh bit..... > > How many times does Limbaugh, have to be told that President Obama does > NOT SUPPORT the re-installation of the old "Fairness Doctrine"? It's > something (the FD) who's time has come and gone. Good riddance! There are > so many new avenues today for expressing differing opinions including the > Internet and stations like WBAI, KPFA, WWCR and more, that the need for a > so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is pretty much moot. Limbaugh has a > tendency to "make a mountain out of a mole-hill". He's just grandstanding > for the almighty "Arbitron". Now, with so many choices out there in this > "multi-thousand stream" universe, there is NO need to insist that every > single media outlet (including radio or TV stations) have to provide > "equal time" to every "Tom, Dick, Jane or Harry". For the most part, many > stations DO provide for opposite opinions, already. It's part the free > enterprise system, and it works.... pretty damn well. There is VERY > LITTLE chance that a so-called > retooled "Fairness Doctrine" will ever see the light of day for the > foreseeable future. This is NOT 1970. > > Limbaugh ought to learn to shut to his mouth for once and give the man > (President Obama) a chance to do his job, the job WE elected him to do. > The man's only been in office for 35 days. Cripes....., we've already > seen what Rush's buddies from the previous administration did to this > great nation's economy and its' reputation overseas. Not too impressive, > not by a long shot. NOW, it's President Obama's turn to show what HE is > made of. Give the guy (and his cabinet) a chance to do the job. If he > DOESN'T, there's ALWAYS a ballot box in 2012. I hope he succeeds. > > Soapbox mode off....... > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >> From: A. Joseph Ross >> Subject: RE: More on the FD >> To: "Sid Schweiger" >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 11:34 PM >> On 26 Feb 2009 at 19:45, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> >> > But: They won't. Their audience is energized by >> this sort of thing, >> > especially since Limbaugh has effectively called the >> President a liar >> > for saying he doesn't favor the FD's return. >> RL is absolutely >> > convinced that some form of FD will be enacted via >> some sort of >> > back-door rider on a bill which the President will >> feel compelled to >> > sign. >> >> And then when it doesn't happen, they'll take >> credit for preventing >> it. >> >> > With the conservative base, this issue has the same >> kind of legs as >> > the persistent urban legend, which the FCC still feels >> compelled to >> > periodically quash, that they will be banning >> religious broadcasting. >> >> They're not? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 >> 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax >> 617.507.7856 >> Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 27 17:06:35 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:06:35 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <20090227170949.3F77DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090227170949.3F77DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090227220646.D6F0344C181@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:09 PM 2/27/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >And surely liberal talk radio was very respectful of the most recent >GOP president. They >supported him in every way, never called him names or disagreed with >his positions... >Yup! Air America loved W, they sure did. Umm, let's not generalize. Thom Hartmann and Rachel Maddow were very harsh critics of President Bush, but they never insulted him or called him names, as far as I can tell. Ed Schultz also seldom got into name-calling. He was vehement about the policies with which he disagreed, but I don't recall hearing him say rude things about the president personally. Franken, Rhodes, and some other hosts did indeed call Bush names. But then, Michael Savage and Ann Coulter on the right use name-calling regularly, as does G. Gordon Liddy and Limbaugh. I think it's a false choice to say one side is friendly and respectful while the other side is rude and insolent. Both sides have individual talkers whose persona is to be nasty and vitriolic. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Feb 27 17:16:33 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:16:33 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <20090227170216.D4E47CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090227170216.D4E47CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090227221644.2BD0744C1DF@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Bob wrote-- > >But no, I'm glad liberal talk will have to compete in the free >market. But hark, did you >see the 12 plus (yup, 12 plus, not 25-54s) ratings for Washington >D.C.'s "Obama 1260"? >These were for the station --WWRC--before they switched to business >talk; they came in >38th place (hence the format change). Oh dear. More cherry-picking of facts. The Washington affiliate that did progressive talk had an AWFUL signal, and I can say that without any bias because I used to work in DC, and you couldn't hear WWDC in about half of the market. Note that Ed Schultz landed immediately, and on an otherwise all-rightie station. I expect Stephanie Miller to also land on another DC station very soon. Nearly every format on WWDC has had trouble over the past few years. And as I have said on more than one occasion, progressive talk as a format may or may not succeed, whereas individual talkers like Ed, Rachel, Thom Hartmann, and Stephanie, are getting some very good numbers on a number of stations. Thom Hartmann was just named to the top ten most influential talkers in the USA by Talkers Magazine, hardly a liberal publication. Last year, Ed Schultz was in the top ten as well (I think Ed is #12 this year-- still not bad). Keep in mind too, Bob, that not every rightie talker gets big numbers. From linc45r-n@lincster.com Tue Feb 24 20:58:35 2009 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (linc45r-n@lincster.com) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:58:35 -0800 Subject: Clyde Joy Country Music - Channels 9 and 8?? References: <325761.74057.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E44E38C03064D32A5A92877451C4EEB@editor> Thanks so much for posting this. I worked for WMUR in 1964 for about 6 months before going to the "big time" in Boston, I got to work with Clyde who was doing a morning show at the time. I remember "Clyde & Wiillie Mae and (all) the Country Folks" which we watched, even though we wearn't country music fans, because my mom's cousin, Bobby French, often apeared with Clyde. He played, among other instruements, the mandolin. I have no idea if he is still among the living. I remember Good Night Mobile Homes as a sponsor, was the owner really Freddie Goodnight? I remember when their house burned and Clyde said the only thing he saved was his hat. And sadly I remember their son was killed in Vietnam, after which Willie Mae no longer appeared on the show. In addition to "Out Behind the Barn" I also remember Willie Mae singing her favorite song, "Keep on the Sunny Side." When I saw "Oh BotherWhere Art Thou" I thought of Willie Mae, and once again I felt sad for there loss. My big dissapointement was Googling Clyde Joy and only having one hit, an exceprt from someone's email. Clyde, Jerry Carney (sp?), Chris Nahatis (sp?) (Saladmaster) and others from the erly channel 9 days deserve some recognition... now who was the lady that did the children's show with the nautiacl theme? When I worked there in 1964 nobody could remember. I also remember the night I was changing channels at a friend's house and came upon the WMUR test pattern befoe they started regular broadcasting. Linc ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Clyde Joy Country Music - Channels 9 and 8?? > > My wife and I were discussing the Grandy Daddy of Country Music in New > England, Clyde Joy, who recently passed away at age 92. > > My wife lived right next door to Mazzie and Clyde for about a dozen years. > I had the pleasure of being invited over for meals on a few occasions. My > wife was over there much more often. At times I pick here up there for a > date, rather than at her house. > > I remember Clyde Joy and Willie Mae (wife #2) being on channel 9 WMUR TV > for ages. I also remember the Circle 9 Ranch in Epsom. My wife's aunt and > uncle lived adjacent to the ranch. > > According to: > http://www.hillbilly-music.com/artists/story/index.php?id=15040 > > "He later appeared with Clyde Joy and the Country Folks on Channel 8, > Poland Springs, Maine, and WMUR-TV in Manchester, New Hampshire." > > Question is: > > Did Clyde do a unique show for both channels 8 and 9, or was one show done > for channel 9 and bicylced up to channel 8. I have no recollection at all > of the show being on Channel 8. > > > > Bonus question. > Does anybody remember Clyde's Cadillac Camper. Last time I checked it was > still in the yard on North Main Street in Salem NH! > > John B > From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 27 18:11:07 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:11:07 -0500 Subject: More on the FD Message-ID: <20090227231107.BBB97478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Bob Nelson" , "Dan.Strassberg" , "Sid Schweiger" , "Bob Nelson...WMWM" >Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: More on the FD >Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:16:33 -0500 > Bob wrote-- > > But no, I'm glad liberal talk will have to compete in the free > market. But hark, did you > see the 12 plus (yup, 12 plus, not 25-54s) ratings for Washington > D.C.'s "Obama 1260"? > These were for the station --WWRC--before they switched to > business talk; they came in > 38th place (hence the format change). I won't bother entering the URL, because Boston Globe articles often disappear into the (paid) archives, but today's (Friday 02/27) paper contained a lengthy article about the disappearance of a local sports talk show on ESPN 890 (WAMG 890 Dedham/WLLH 1400 AM Lowell & Lawrence). They intend to keep on keeping on with an utterly failed format until they go bankrupt. I'm not saying that the operation would blossom into a ratings powerhouse if they switched to selected progressive talk shows, but the path they've taken has been an abject failure for a lengthy period of time. Salem kept very-far-right talk on AM 1150 for a couple of years with nothing to show for it. Yet we keep hearing that radio-station- owners, even the publicly-traded ones with a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders (now few in number) are best able to gauge the attractiveness of their product in the markets they "serve" and to respond to it. You betcha! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Feb 27 23:15:11 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:15:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition Message-ID: <124449.11748.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Granted, it's not written unbiasedly, given the long-running Globe ban on WEEI appearances. Nonetheless, this piece from Chad Finn (I love his blog, FWIW) in this week's issue of OT, the Globe's sports weekly, was dead-on, IMO: http://www.boston.com/sports/ot/2009/02/sports_talk_radioactive.html Thoughts? From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 28 00:47:10 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:47:10 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F6A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <49A7271E.22457.49B99F@joe.attorneyross.com>, <378660.56752.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B87F6A@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49A8898E.21675.5FBFED@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Feb 2009 at 7:10, Sid Schweiger wrote: > He can be told until the cows come home, but that isn't and never was > the point. Without challenging the Democrat Party (his endearing term > for them, mostly because it ticks them off), Rush has no show. This is much older than Rush. It's the name Repubs like to call the Democratic Party going back over 50 years. I remember a skirmish about it in the 1956 election. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 28 08:06:17 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:06:17 -0500 Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA Message-ID: <9E508DB031934D80B6EFA009479DC98A@SatU205S5044> As of this morning, Saturday 2/28/09. the FCC Web site still shows the status of WUNR's application for Program Test Authority as "accepted for filing." That means that the FCC is not going to grant the application at least until this coming Monday. If, for whatever reason, WKOX and WRCA do not want to increase to their full CP power until WUNR does so, that would mean that the earliest we are likely to hear full power on 1200, 1330, and 1600 would probably not be until Monday afternoon, and more likely Tuesday--if then. I am mystified about why WRCA and WKOX do not appear to want to increase power until WUNR does. I don't think there is any technical or legal reason for the delay on the two stations whose applications for PTA have already been granted. Maybe in these tough times, they are trying to save on the power bills;>( ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 28 07:41:11 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:41:11 -0500 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition References: <124449.11748.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> AFAIK, there has not been a French-language station that interfered with WWZN in 20 years give or take (and what is now WWZN had not even become WWZN back then). I don't remember exactly when CJRS (I think those were the calls) went dark on 1510, but it was close to two decades ago. As for 890, AFAIK, there has never been a French-language station on 890 that you could receive in the Boston area. There may be something in the Carrbean, but if there is, I don't believe that anyone except for a few serious DXers has picked it up around here. Your friend at Boston.com made a lot of good points, and his point about WAMG's signal has some validity, at least at night in the more easterly parts of the metro. But WWZN's signal is quite solid at night pretty much everwhere inside of 128--especially since the demise of CJRS and WNLC. During the day, both 890 and 1510 do better than they do at night. A campaign for intelligent sports talk on a better signal should focus on FM. Right now, there is intelligent sports talk on FM for only one hour a week (two hours if you count repeats): Only a Game on WBUR. Bill Littlefield really does a thoughful and entertaining show! You don't even have to be a sports fan to enjoy it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition > > Granted, it's not written unbiasedly, given the long-running Globe > ban on WEEI appearances. Nonetheless, this piece from Chad Finn (I > love his blog, FWIW) in this week's issue of OT, the Globe's sports > weekly, was dead-on, IMO: > > http://www.boston.com/sports/ot/2009/02/sports_talk_radioactive.html > > Thoughts? From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Feb 28 08:12:59 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 2/28/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > A campaign for intelligent sports talk on a > better signal > should focus on FM. Right now, there is intelligent sports > talk on FM > for only one hour a week (two hours if you count repeats): > Only a Game > on WBUR. Bill Littlefield really does a thoughful and > entertaining > show! You don't even have to be a sports fan to enjoy > it. Public radio-style sports wouldn't cut it, IMO, since sports segments on PRI and NPR shows and such are what you said -- tailored to the non-sports fan. Even WFAN is more highbrow than WEEI, and that's with Mike Francesa mumbling for five-plus hours a day. (And I don't know Chad at all, just like his ideas since I've thought the same thing for a long time -- except that I like some of Glen Ordway's work, and it's apparent he likes none of it.) From francini@mac.com Sat Feb 28 08:56:40 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:56:40 -0500 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <124449.11748.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <124449.11748.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D3E3B22-CE6C-4D91-825D-50CEA4CA5E45@mac.com> I think this is *yet more* of the Boston Globe trying to be the self- appointed Arbiter of All Things Media, when they can't even keep their own circulation going. I'm sick and tired of the whining. (That is, the whining of the self- appointed Media Blog authors and the self-appointed "guardians of radio quality"). I've listened to the alternatives available to me in the Nashua area -- Fox Sports Radio (on 900 WGHM) and ESPN 1400 -- and find them middling at best, with signal that disappears into hash readily, even on GE Superadios. To be somewhat balanced, this doesn't mean that WEEI is without flaws. o Dennis & Callahan are pretty good when they stick to sports. Anything else causes me to tune in Dan Patrick or Mike and Mike. o Mike Adams is highly variable his own; he needs other co-hosts to keep him from floating out to left field. (On the other hand, his predecessor Ted Serandis was far too earnest for my liking.) ------- When I turn on the radio, I *want* a distraction, I *want* to hear levity and humor and good "pals at a bar" type sports-talk. The Real World(tm) has far too much CRAP happening in it; sports talk -- in particular, the WEEI brand of sports talk -- has been an oasis, a fun place to go to unwind in the candy store that is sports. I *really* wish self-appointed Arbiters Of What Is Right would stop trying to make WEEI into a duplicate of NPR. John On 27 Feb 2009, at 23:15, Sean Smyth wrote: > > Granted, it's not written unbiasedly, given the long-running Globe > ban on WEEI appearances. Nonetheless, this piece from Chad Finn (I > love his blog, FWIW) in this week's issue of OT, the Globe's sports > weekly, was dead-on, IMO: > > http://www.boston.com/sports/ot/2009/02/sports_talk_radioactive.html > > Thoughts? > > > From attychase@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 09:57:02 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:57:02 -0500 Subject: More on the FD References: Message-ID: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> I always wonder why the conservatives or some call them more aptly, the regressives, fear concepts such as the Fairness Doctrine so much? Is it because they are never fair? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Feb 28 10:03:42 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:03:42 -0500 Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA In-Reply-To: <9E508DB031934D80B6EFA009479DC98A@SatU205S5044> References: <9E508DB031934D80B6EFA009479DC98A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000301c999b5$c026ac20$40740460$@com> How about not trying to introduce too many variables into an equation at once? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:06 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Cc: Riggs, Steve Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA As of this morning, Saturday 2/28/09. the FCC Web site still shows the status of WUNR's application for Program Test Authority as "accepted for filing." That means that the FCC is not going to grant the application at least until this coming Monday. If, for whatever reason, WKOX and WRCA do not want to increase to their full CP power until WUNR does so, that would mean that the earliest we are likely to hear full power on 1200, 1330, and 1600 would probably not be until Monday afternoon, and more likely Tuesday--if then. I am mystified about why WRCA and WKOX do not appear to want to increase power until WUNR does. I don't think there is any technical or legal reason for the delay on the two stations whose applications for PTA have already been granted. Maybe in these tough times, they are trying to save on the power bills;>( ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 11:31:48 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:31:48 -0600 Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA In-Reply-To: <000301c999b5$c026ac20$40740460$@com> References: <9E508DB031934D80B6EFA009479DC98A@SatU205S5044> <000301c999b5$c026ac20$40740460$@com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902280831r44fc78eh9e14f6042210dd72@mail.gmail.com> That seems to make sense, they want to test them all at full power so anything that might be discovered or go wrong when they're all up will be found or go wrong, because who knows... everything might be OK with just WKOX and WRCA at full power, but putting WUNR might do something that they didn't plan on. Paul Walker On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Brian Vita wrote: > How about not trying to introduce too many variables into an equation at > once? > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > Dan.Strassberg > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Cc: Riggs, Steve > Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA > > As of this morning, Saturday 2/28/09. the FCC Web site still shows the > status of WUNR's application for Program Test Authority as "accepted > for filing." That means that the FCC is not going to grant the > application at least until this coming Monday. If, for whatever > reason, WKOX and WRCA do not want to increase to their full CP power > until WUNR does so, that would mean that the earliest we are likely to > hear full power on 1200, 1330, and 1600 would probably not be until > Monday afternoon, and more likely Tuesday--if then. > > I am mystified about why WRCA and WKOX do not appear to want to > increase power until WUNR does. I don't think there is any technical > or legal reason for the delay on the two stations whose applications > for PTA have already been granted. Maybe in these tough times, they > are trying to save on the power bills;>( > > ----- > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 12:25:07 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:25:07 -0600 Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition In-Reply-To: <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> I think for the most part he was dead on. WWZN certainly tried with Eddie and Sean McDonough and had excellent promotion in the Globe. The signal had limitations especially in the 495 corridor but they couldn't attract ANY listeners where there were books that WJIB placed higher. It certainly wasn't for lack of trying but I think the biggest problem was that sales and most-management were handled out of Chicago. WAMG DOES have signal problems especially at night. In Cambridge it is impossible to hear inside an apartment building. In a car at night it is fighting with WLS. Simple truth is the ESPN lineup of games and yap at night sound better on WEPN New York or WMVP Chicago than on WAMG. ESPN never promoted the station like they do with other affiliates on ESPN-ESPN2. They only broke one national story when Manny of all people contacted 890. Mike and Mike SHOULD do better over D&C because most people I know will not listen to their rantings about politics. In fact M&M do better in Chicago than WSCR in the morning. WEEI has been top dog now for almost 20 years. Ordway struck gold wih The Big Show and that station does revolve around him. Dale had been the voice of hockey there but he is still bitter over NESN going with Jack Edwards fulltime (which honestly was the right move for NESN just having one full time announcer) Dale was offered the job but couldn't because of WEEI. He could have four-wired it in from the road but he didn't want to travel. Fine..but don't blame the Bruins Dale. Holley I have grown used to. I miss Newmie but that is another story. Mikey is Mikey. The future? I think the idea of a station on FM has sunk at the dock as both CBS and Greater Media had a window and both walked away. Greater Media almost secured the rights to the Sox but luckily for them ran the numbers and knew it would not work. The Red Sox contract is killing Entercom and because of it they have cut expenses at WRKO and WEEI to the bone. WEEI is the only major sports station in the US that doesn't set up shop at the Super Bowl unless the Pats are in it. WRKO eliminated the news department. Lovely. The future of ESPN in Boston? I cannot see them at 890 much longer so I could see Disney flipping 1260 to ESPN and maybe Radio Disney could live on 890. 1260 at least would give a decent signal inside 128 day and night. Nobody knows what Clear Channel is going to do with 1200. ESPN could wind up there. You would need a strong afternoon drive program such as Felger but I am afraid Ordway is to powerful to knock off. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 12:38:03 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:38:03 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49A9767B.5070108@gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > Calling a Democratic president a liar is just another notch in his belt. Look at how long Rush blamed Clinton for everything that was wrong with America, years after Clinton left the WH, File under, "That depends on what your definition of 'is' is." It's not just RL who is unsure about the veracity or integrity of any politician. No or never have very different meanings when spoken from elected officials and the 4th Estate should "never" doubt that. > Not a chance in the world. RL has already stated, multiple times, that he wants Obama to fail. He's playing it with deadly aim right at his conservative base, who go hog-wild over exactly this sort of thing. > Can't believe I'm defending RL but he has restated again and again what he said in the Sean Hannity TV interview (and I You Tubed it to check) was a contextual statement on the proposed fiscal policies of the BO administration and that he was in disagreement; ergo, he was desirous of failure in achieving those policies. > He's a re-purposed disk-jockey, Great line! Never heard it put that way. Bill O'Neill From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 12:38:45 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chad Finn of The Boston Globe's take on local sports-radio competition References: <36233195E5C3426096BD31C2C95617F1@SatU205S5044> <92424.58470.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770902280925iaf37468v503d5e3fafa39dd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <390925.37591.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: Nobody knows what Clear Channel is going to do with 1200. ESPN could wind up there. You would need a strong afternoon drive program such as Felger but I am afraid Ordway is to powerful to knock off. ESPN will not be on 1200. Clear Channel likes going with in-house syndicated programs, which could be taking Fox Sports Radio away from WEEI or moving Rush Limbaugh over from WRKO. As for Mike Felger, he's not going there either - trust me his doing the 890 show from his CSN office was not to management's liking and he's also employed by WEEI.com. I don't think he wants to burn bridges for a total upstart again. From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 28 12:51:53 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:51:53 -0700 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <49A9767B.5070108@gmail.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49A9767B.5070108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88976@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Can't believe I'm defending RL but he has restated again and again what he said in the Sean Hannity TV interview (and I You Tubed it to check) was a contextual statement on the proposed fiscal policies of the BO administration and that he was in disagreement; ergo, he was desirous of failure in achieving those policies.<< Say what you want, but on one of those rare occasions when I was listening at work, I heard him say (direct quote): "I want President Obama to fail." From there he went on to defend that statement in full, not just in some narrow context. The back-pedaling puts him in the same class with every politician who ever had to follow-up a controversial statement with "What I meant was..." Whining that he was taken out of context, when he regularly accuses politicians of not toeing his ideological line by doing exactly the same thing to them, doesn't cut the mustard. Talk-show hosts' words don't simply disappear into the ether anymore, not in these days of YouTube, digital recorders and media watchdog organizations. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Feb 28 13:43:16 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:43:16 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <49A985C4.2070101@gabrielmass.com> Robert S Chase wrote: > I always wonder why the conservatives or some call them more aptly, the > regressives, fear concepts such as the Fairness Doctrine so much? Is it > because they are never fair? I'm not sure whether insulting a group of people as "regressive" based on their political philosophy really is going to shed light on any subject regarding broadcasting. --RC From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 14:50:07 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:50:07 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> It is because the idea that the government can decide what is and is not fair speech is downright scary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S Chase" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: RE: More on the FD >I always wonder why the conservatives or some call them more aptly, the >regressives, fear concepts such as the Fairness Doctrine so much? Is it >because they are never fair? From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 28 15:58:20 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:58:20 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It is because the idea that the government can decide what is and is not > fair speech is downright scary. Of course, the fact that the Fairness Doctrine said nothing of the sort does not stop it from becoming a right-wing bogeyman. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Sat Feb 28 15:18:28 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:18:28 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH Message-ID: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Those of you who read Scott Fybush's Northeast Radio Watch every Monday are aware that Costa-Eagle just went through the gyrations of Laocoon to place a translator for WNNW-AM 800 in Lawrence on that station's tower. A week ago, I posted an item on radio-info.com observing that after three days of work, riggers had installed an FM antenna on the tippity-top of the tower. On Friday, February 27th, testing of the new facility on a frequency of 92.1 had begun. >From my location several miles due north of the tower, the signal was not very impressive, and by moving my antenna a little, I could pick up WPHX 92.1 in Sanford, ME (There was no receivable signal from WFEX, COL Peterboro, NH, transmitter atop Pack Monadnock, NH.) But today, Saturday, the signal is much better, so originally they may have been running at less than the authorized 250 watts, directional antenna seemingly oriented southeast although the data points at fcc.gov show the full-power at zero degrees, i.e. due north. Anyway on my car radio, it now blasts into South Lawrence and Andover and splatters all over WUMB-FM 91.9 from Boston. Now, although Scott allocated a fair amount of verbiage to this outlet, it may appear that it's a lot of hoo-haw about a "translator" to fill out an AM signal, especially at night. But remember, when 93.7 was on that tower, its HAAT was about 440 feet, and the antenna up there now appears to be 20 or 30 feet higher, so what we have here is a fairly serious signal...again 250 watts H&V at close to 500 feet. It appears that cities and towns where people buy more ketchup than salsa will be the beneficiaries of the signal after WNNW is put on it, but it will definitely reach more people than the pirate and licensed stations in the area (99.1 and 99.9 respectively). And since WNNW-AM has been broadcasting in IBOC for a long time, it's definitely FM-stereo ready. One question: will the station ID be: "WNNW, and W221CH, Lawrence" or WNNW AM&FM, Lawrence"? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 28 16:01:54 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:01:54 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > One question: will the station ID be: "WNNW, and W221CH, Lawrence" > or WNNW AM&FM, Lawrence"? It *should* be "WNNW Lawrence" with an inaudible FSK identificaion in Morse code on the translator. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Feb 28 16:11:32 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:11:32 -0600 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80902281311i37a3b19el1c85ab9d12051029@mail.gmail.com> Why would they ID as WNNW AM and FM Lawrence? Lawrence. If the Translator is licensed to Lawrence, the ID will have to be, "WNNW Lawrence, W221CH Lawrence" I've heard several AM's that have translators do it that way. I hear WTNK 1090 Hartsville, TN ID as "AM 1090 WTNK Hartsville.. and 93.5 W229BG Hartsville". You couldn't ID as "WNNW and W221CH Lawrence" because both don't have the same set of call letters. If W221CH was really WNNW-FM, then you could ID as "WNNW AM and FM Lawrence" as long as both have the same calls and city of license. Most translators run by the religious networks do an inaudible FSK ID, but that's not how it NEEDS to be and isn't required. You can ID a translator by voice like any other station.. and I much prefer that over an FSK ID so I know what the heck I'm listening to. Paul Walker On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Those of you who read Scott Fybush's Northeast Radio Watch every Monday are > aware that Costa-Eagle just went through the gyrations of Laocoon to place > a > translator for WNNW-AM 800 in Lawrence on that station's tower. A week > ago, I > posted an item on radio-info.com observing that after three days of work, > riggers had installed an FM antenna on the tippity-top of the tower. On > Friday, > February 27th, testing of the new facility on a frequency of 92.1 had > begun. > >From my location several miles due north of the tower, the signal was not > very > impressive, and by moving my antenna a little, I could pick up WPHX 92.1 in > Sanford, ME (There was no receivable signal from WFEX, COL Peterboro, > NH, transmitter atop Pack Monadnock, NH.) But today, Saturday, the signal > is > much better, so originally they may have been running at less than the > authorized 250 > watts, directional antenna seemingly oriented southeast although the data > points at fcc.gov show the full-power at zero degrees, i.e. due north. > Anyway > on my car radio, it now blasts into South Lawrence and Andover and > splatters all > over WUMB-FM 91.9 from Boston. Now, although Scott allocated a fair amount > of verbiage to this outlet, it may appear that it's a lot of hoo-haw about > a > "translator" to fill out an AM signal, especially at night. But remember, > when 93.7 was on that tower, its HAAT was about 440 feet, and the antenna > up > there now appears to be 20 or 30 feet higher, so what we have here is a > fairly serious signal...again 250 watts H&V at close to 500 feet. It > appears > that cities and towns where people buy more ketchup than salsa will be the > beneficiaries of the signal after WNNW is put on it, but it will definitely > reach more people than the pirate and licensed stations in the area (99.1 > and > 99.9 respectively). And since WNNW-AM has been broadcasting in IBOC for a > long time, it's definitely FM-stereo ready. > One question: will the station ID be: "WNNW, and W221CH, Lawrence" or WNNW > AM&FM, Lawrence"? > > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 16:33:18 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:33:18 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> If someone complained that a broadcaster did not cover an issue of importance in a balanced and equitable way, the government would decide if that was true or not. That is the government deciding whether speech is fair or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > Of course, the fact that the Fairness Doctrine said nothing of the > sort does not stop it from becoming a right-wing bogeyman. From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 28 16:35:37 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:35:37 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B8898D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>It *should* be "WNNW Lawrence" with an inaudible FSK identificaion in Morse code on the translator.<< Not necessarily. The Morse code by either FSK or AM'ing the FM carrier is only required if there is no agreement in place with the primary station to do an aural translator ID three times per broadcast day. See 47 CFR ?74.1283(c). Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 28 16:51:23 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:51:23 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20090228215137.A18CA1E3112@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:33 PM 2/28/2009, Dan Billings wrote: >If someone complained that a broadcaster did not cover an issue of >importance in a balanced and equitable way, the government would >decide if that was true or not. That is the government deciding >whether speech is fair or not. Oh dear. That's not how the FD was applied. News was expected to be neutral and based on facts. Commentary was allowed, but it had to be identified as commentary. And commentary could not contain slanderous personal attacks. If a commentator said something a member of the public disagreed with, that listener could write to the station or call in during a talk show. And even enough people complained, then a responsible spokespeople who wanted to respond to an editorial or a commentary was supposed to be given time to express that opposing view. So for example, there was a station in the midwest (I am forgetting the name, but I recall the case) that was, for all intents and purposes, the voice of the Ku Klux Klan. A civil rights organization asked for equal time to present a response to some of the assertions made on the station. How is that "the government deciding whether speech is fair or not"??? Radio stations were, and allegedly still are, public utilities and it was expected that they would allow other ideas to be heard. Now, based on what I've read and what I recall, that NEVER meant if you broadcast X, you then were obligated to broadcast Y. That's a durable but false right-wing myth. Stations had formats and were allowed to have formats-- a top-40 station wasn't expected to stop and broadcast a classical record. But if a station had commentators and the commentators mis-represented the facts of an issue, the station was expected to allow a responsible spokesman or women to give a reply. How does doing that destroy democracy? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 16:54:19 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:54:19 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <20090228215137.A18CA1E3112@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <20090228215137.A18CA1E3112@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <208E02C8373E4276A2789CB98375417D@DanBillingsPC> And what happened if the station refused? The station faced government action. That is the government judging speech. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > Oh dear. That's not how the FD was applied. News was expected to be > neutral and based on facts. Commentary was allowed, but it had to be > identified as commentary. And commentary could not contain slanderous > personal attacks. If a commentator said something a member of the public > disagreed with, that listener could write to the station or call in during > a talk show. And even enough people complained, then a responsible > spokespeople who wanted to respond to an editorial or a commentary was > supposed to be given time to express that opposing view. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 17:04:54 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:04:54 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88976@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><49A9767B.5070108@gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88976@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: Should Rush have given up on what he believes and pretended he wants Obama to be successful in raising taxes and spending? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: RE: More on the FD >>Can't believe I'm defending RL but he has restated again and again what he said in the Sean Hannity TV interview (and I You Tubed it to check) was a contextual statement on the proposed fiscal policies of the BO administration and that he was in disagreement; ergo, he was desirous of failure in achieving those policies.<< Say what you want, but on one of those rare occasions when I was listening at work, I heard him say (direct quote): "I want President Obama to fail." >From there he went on to defend that statement in full, not just in some narrow context. The back-pedaling puts him in the same class with every politician who ever had to follow-up a controversial statement with "What I meant was..." Whining that he was taken out of context, when he regularly accuses politicians of not toeing his ideological line by doing exactly the same thing to them, doesn't cut the mustard. Talk-show hosts' words don't simply disappear into the ether anymore, not in these days of YouTube, digital recorders and media watchdog organizations. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 28 17:59:35 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:59:35 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > If someone complained that a broadcaster did not cover an issue of > importance in a balanced and equitable way, the government would decide if > that was true or not. I hope it won't hurt to introduce some actual facts here.... The Communications Act (as amended in 1959) required -- and indeed still requires -- that broadcasters "afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of public importance" (47 USC 315(a)). Meanwhile, section 328 of the Communications Act (as codified today at 47 USC 326) made it clear: Nothing in this chapter shall be understood or construed to give the Commission the power of censorship over the radio communications or signals transmitted by any radio station, and no regulation or condition shall be promulgated or fixed by the Commission which shall interfere with the right of free speech by means of radio communication. The FCC, in its implementation of this principle, required that broadcasters notify the subjects of broadcast attacks "upon the honesty, character, integrity or like personal qualities of an identified person or group" and offer a "reasonable opportunity to respond". This requirement did not apply to news programming, even "commentary or analysis" segments of such programs, but did apply to "editorials of the licensee" (47 CFR 73.123, in effect as of 1978). Justice White summarized the situation for the Supreme Court in /Red Lion/ (internal citations omitted): There is a twofold duty laid down by the FCC's decisions and described by the 1949 Report on Editorializing by Broadcast Licensees. The broadcaster must give adequate coverage to public issues, and coverage must be fair in that it accurately reflects the opposing views. This must be done at the broadcaster's own expense if sponsorship is unavailable. Moreover, the duty must be met by programming obtained at the licensee's own initiative if available from no other source. The Federal Radio Commission had imposed these two basic duties on broadcasters since the outset, and in particular respects the personal attack rules and regulations at issue here have spelled them out in greater detail. [...] In 1959 the Congress amended the statutory requirement of 315 that equal time be accorded each political candidate to except certain appearances on news programs, but added that this constituted no exception "from the obligation imposed upon them under this Act to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views on issues of public importance." This language makes it very plain that Congress, in 1959, announced that the phrase "public interest," which had been in the Act since 1927, imposed a duty on broadcasters to discuss both sides of controversial public issues. In other words, the amendment vindicated the FCC's general view that the fairness doctrine inhered in the public interest standard. He later writes, in his analysis of the First Amendment issue: By the same token, as far as the First Amendment is concerned those who are licensed stand no better than those to whom licenses are refused. A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a radio frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others and to conduct himself as a proxy or fiduciary with obligations to present those views and voices which are representative of his community and which would otherwise, by necessity, be barred from the airwaves. His reasoning seems rather odd by modern standards, because we are so accustomed to the modern reading of the First Amendment as being a purely individual right: This is not to say that the First Amendment is irrelevant to public broadcasting. On the contrary, it has a major role to play as the Congress itself recognized in [section] 326, which forbids FCC interference with "the right of free speech by means of radio communication." Because of the scarcity of radio frequencies, the Government is permitted to put restraints on licensees in favor of others whose views should be expressed on this unique medium. But the people as a whole retain their interest in free speech by radio and their collective right to have the medium function consistently with the ends and purposes of the First Amendment. It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount. It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited market-place of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the Government itself or a private licensee. It is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here. That right may not constitutionally be abridged either by Congress or by the FCC. Rather than confer frequency monopolies on a relatively small number of licensees, in a Nation of 200,000,000, the Government could surely have decreed that each frequency should be shared among all or some of those who wish to use it, each being assigned a portion of the broadcast day or the broadcast week. The ruling and regulations at issue here do not go quite so far. They assert that under specified circumstances, a licensee must offer to make available a reasonable amount of broadcast time to those who have a view different from that which has already been expressed on his station. The expression of a political endorsement, or of a personal attack while dealing with a controversial public issue, simply triggers this time sharing. As we have said, the First Amendment confers no right on licensees to prevent others from broadcasting on "their" frequencies and no right to an unconditional monopoly of a scarce resource which the Government has denied others the right to use. [...] Nor can we say that it is inconsistent with the First Amendment goal of producing an informed public capable of conducting its own affairs to require a broadcaster to permit answers to personal attacks occurring in the course of discussing controversial issues, or to require that the political opponents of those endorsed by the station be given a chance to communicate with the public. Otherwise, station owners and a few networks would have unfettered power to make time available only to the highest bidders, to communicate only their own views on public issues, people and candidates, and to permit on the air only those with whom they agreed. There is no sanctuary in the First Amendment for unlimited private censorship operating in a medium not open to all. "Freedom of the press from governmental interference under the First Amendment does not sanction repression of that freedom by private interests." Associated Press v. United States, 326 U.S. 1, 20 (1945). [...] We need not and do not now ratify every past and future decision by the FCC with regard to programming. There is no question here of the Commission's refusal to permit the broadcaster to carry a particular program or to publish his own views; of a discriminatory refusal to require the licensee to broadcast certain views which have been denied access to the airwaves; of government censorship of a particular program contrary to [section] 326; or of the official government view dominating public broadcasting. Such questions would raise more serious First Amendment issues. But we do hold that the Congress and the Commission do not violate the First Amendment when they require a radio or television station to give reply time to answer personal attacks and political editorials. (Red Lion Broadcasting Co., Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission, 395 U.S. 367 (1969), White. J., writing for the majority) From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 18:22:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:22:46 -0600 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> One thing I was curious about why. Back in 1967 when WRKO-AM came to be they then simulcast AM on FM from 6AM to 6PM and then ran ARKO for the other 12. The AM jock would then cut into FM at the top of the hour and simply say WRKO-FM Boston. I have clips of Arnie Ginsburg and Chuck Knapp doing this. So was a live ID required back then or was this possibly an AFTRA concession by RKO General. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 28 18:34:18 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:34:18 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded In-Reply-To: <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Speaking of sports-talk, am I the only one who is surprised the Patriots traded Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel to Kansas City, and seemed to get very little for them in return? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 28 18:52:31 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:52:31 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS Message-ID: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> And is everyone in town doing syndicated programming at night on the weekends? I would have expected the phone lines to be lighting up with on-going commentary about both trades. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 19:01:38 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:01:38 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Is it not a fact that when the doctrine was in effect that a broadcaster could face sanctions if they did not comply with it? If so, nothing I wrote was not factual. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: More on the FD > I hope it won't hurt to introduce some actual facts here.... From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 19:02:37 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:02:37 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC><18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <7DDE26A8136B42759B2472724E187D8A@Mark> Donna Halper wrote: > Speaking of sports-talk, am I the only one who is surprised the Patriots > traded Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel to Kansas City, and seemed to get very > little for them in return? I am surprised also, considering that we don't know with 100% certainty that Tom Brady will be ready to take the field when the new season opens, or what the Pats get for draft picks. And now a radio and/or TV tie in to this thread, at 5:35 this afternoon on WBZ radio, a roughly 2 minute phone interview, Kim Tunnecliffe (sp?) talking with recently retired WBZ morning sports voice (and Patriots radio voice for at least one more year) Gil Santos with his opinions on the trade. And he was one of two former WBZ'ers heard in the 5:30 news, second story in was about the Blue Cross/Blue Shield CEO's hefty pay raise, former news anchor Jay McQuaide, who now works for Blue Cross/Blue Shield as their media relations person spoke about the agency's take on the matter. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 19:09:22 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:09:22 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> Donna Halper wrote: > And is everyone in town doing syndicated programming at night on the > weekends? I would have expected the phone lines to be lighting up with > on-going commentary about both trades. I believe that WAMG/WLLH and WZNN are syndicated most if not all of the time weekends, not sure if WEEI has a live local Saturday afternoon show, I didn't think of tuning in to check on my way home, as I had been away from a radio all day and wanted to catch up with the latest news from WBZ. But as I mentioned in my previous reply, WBZ apparently was on the ball, getting Gil Santos on the phone for his take. It's also possible that ESPN radio and Fox Sports radio could be discussing this on their shows as well, as it is certainly big NFL news. Mark Watson From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Feb 28 19:14:48 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:14:48 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice><304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC><18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49A9D378.2080902@gabrielmass.com> Dan Billings wrote: > Is it not a fact that when the doctrine was in effect that a broadcaster > could face sanctions if they did not comply with it? > > If so, nothing I wrote was not factual. As far as I can tell, Dan, your didn't contain any material contrary to facts as we know them. On the other hand, if the powers implied by the government regulation were not fully used in the old days, your argument could be classified as speculative, and not based on actual cases. That doesn't make your argument unreasonable. Most arguments about a "chilling effect" are somewhat speculative. --RC From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 28 19:16:53 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:16:53 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: References: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88256@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><49A9767B.5070108@gmail.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88976@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88998@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Should Rush have given up on what he believes and pretended he wants Obama to be successful in raising taxes and spending?<< If you had read my earliest post on this subject, you would have known better than to post that. ISTR saying something like: if he "hops into bed" with the "enemy," he's finished. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 28 19:16:59 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:16:59 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS In-Reply-To: <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> Message-ID: <20090301001714.0927244C03B@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:09 PM 2/28/2009, Mark Watson wrote: > I believe that WAMG/WLLH and WZNN are syndicated most if not all > of the time weekends, not sure if WEEI has a live local Saturday > afternoon show, I didn't think of tuning in to check on my way > home, as I had been away from a radio all day and wanted to catch > up with the latest news from WBZ. But as I mentioned in my previous > reply, WBZ apparently was on the ball, getting Gil Santos on the > phone for his take. And I salute WBZ for having that kind of news-sense, since sports is a big deal in Boston. But what I heard on WEEI was syndicated, which is a sad commentary on the state of broadcasting today-- back in the not-so-long ago good old days, there was always somebody around doing live and local in a top ten market like Boston... On WEEI when I listened to the syndicated show, nobody was discussing the Patriots at all-- nationally, I am told, people dislike the coach and don't wanna talk about what the Patriots are doing. From sid@wrko.com Sat Feb 28 19:18:27 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:18:27 -0500 Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090228201828.4591F1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18857.42562.696880.288700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A2B88999@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Back in 1967 when WRKO-AM came to be they then simulcast AM on FM from 6AM to 6PM and then ran ARKO for the other 12. The AM jock would then cut into FM at the top of the hour and simply say WRKO-FM Boston. I have clips of Arnie Ginsburg and Chuck Knapp doing this. So was a live ID required back then or was this possibly an AFTRA concession by RKO General.<< Since WRKO ID'd via a recorded jingle, it's doubtful that a live ID was required. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 19:25:26 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902281522p45b0d9d3kc715be158709e0fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <194205.85667.qm@web50803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well, in fact they (the jocks) would say (after the TOH Drake jingle "WRKO.....Boston!") the jock would say "AM and FM!". (Pre-Drake, before June 1967, WRKO had a PAMS sung Legal ID.... "WRKO and WRKO-FM, Boston!.) After 6:00 PM, you would hear, on the FM only, "And now ladies and gentlemen...." (CLICK!) "And the hits just keep on coming on 98.5 WRKO-FM Boston!", (jingle) "WRKO-FM, ALL MUSIC!!!", ARKO had begun it's 12 hours of non-duplicated programming. Dale Tucker, the last Program Director of WRKO-FM (before WROR) kind of moved away from the R-KO format and got the station ready for the eventual switch to Stereo with Drake Chenault's new "Hit Parade" format, just before Dale moved out of Boston. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Re: Follow-up To NERW Piece On W221CH > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:22 PM > One thing I was curious about why. > > Back in 1967 when WRKO-AM came to be they then simulcast AM > on FM from > 6AM to 6PM and then ran ARKO for the other 12. > > The AM jock would then cut into FM at the top of the hour > and simply > say WRKO-FM Boston. I have clips of Arnie Ginsburg and > Chuck Knapp > doing this. > > So was a live ID required back then or was this possibly an > AFTRA > concession by RKO General. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 19:31:26 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:31:26 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS In-Reply-To: <20090301001714.0927244C03B@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <559F7941ECD347F698D7EB2DD5394870@DHPP0DB1> > And I salute WBZ for having that kind of news-sense, since sports is > a big deal in Boston. But what I heard on WEEI was syndicated, which > is a sad commentary on the state of broadcasting today-- back in the > not-so-long ago good old days, there was always somebody around doing > live and local in a top ten market like Boston... On WEEI when I > listened to the syndicated show, nobody was discussing the Patriots > at all-- nationally, I am told, people dislike the coach and don't > wanna talk about what the Patriots are doing. WEEI was all over the story when it broke, just before 1 PM today, Mike Mutnansky was on the air. Following that, John Ryder and Lenny Megliola were on from 1 until 5. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 18:52:20 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:52:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Matt Cassell traded In-Reply-To: <20090228233432.A68AF1E2E06@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <531734.16061.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: > Speaking of sports-talk, am I the only one who is surprised > the Patriots traded Mike Vrabel and Matt Cassel to Kansas > City, and seemed to get very little for them in return? ObRadio: Is there a local show on WEEI right now to discuss this? You know, this is kind of a big story. (As for the trade, I think they really wanted to clear salary cap space. It also indicates that Brady's knee is on the mend, contrary to what Tom E. Curran reported previously.) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 28 20:20:43 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:20:43 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? In-Reply-To: <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> Message-ID: <20090301012057.2213A720480@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul Harvey has died. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 20:27:11 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> <20090301001714.0927244C03B@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <113651.27996.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WEEI was live until 5p today. John Rider and Lenny Megliola took calls on the trade. Former Pats backup QB and Big Show contributor Scott Zolak called in as well. ________________________________ From: Donna Halper To: Mark Watson ; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:16:59 PM Subject: Re: Matt Cassell traded, PS At 07:09 PM 2/28/2009, Mark Watson wrote: >? I believe that WAMG/WLLH and WZNN are syndicated most if not all of the time weekends, not sure if WEEI has a live local Saturday afternoon show, I didn't think of tuning in to check on my way home, as I had been away from a radio all day and wanted to catch up with the latest news from WBZ. But as I mentioned in my previous reply, WBZ apparently was on the ball, getting Gil Santos on the phone for his take. And I salute WBZ for having that kind of news-sense, since sports is a big deal in Boston.? But what I heard on WEEI was syndicated, which is a sad commentary on the state of broadcasting today-- back in the not-so-long ago good old days, there was always somebody around doing live and local in a top ten market like Boston... On WEEI when I listened to the syndicated show, nobody was discussing the Patriots at all-- nationally, I am told, people dislike the coach and don't wanna talk about what the Patriots are doing. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 20:32:29 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:32:29 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? In-Reply-To: <20090301012057.2213A720480@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48232E0C08DB4A4BAF1CA39FAC68EEE2@Mark> <20090301012057.2213A720480@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902281732m79e0b972x20759fa6049a3960@mail.gmail.com> WLS-TV broke in with a bulletin as well. Legend too small a term...icon Page 2 On 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: > > > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) > > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul Harvey has died. > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 20:52:56 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:52:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770902281732m79e0b972x20759fa6049a3960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15535.82743.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >>Legend too small a term...icon<< You can say that again. This is one industry icon who will surely be missed for many years to come. There will never be another one like him. (....sigh....) :( RIP- Paul Harvey Aurandt (1918-2009) Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? > To: "Donna Halper" , "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:32 PM > WLS-TV broke in with a bulletin as well. > > Legend too small a term...icon > > Page 2 > > On 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: > > > > > > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) > > > > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul > Harvey has died. > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 28 21:16:22 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:16:22 -0500 Subject: More on the FD In-Reply-To: References: <40642C427EFC4492BB4E7AD4941415DB@HomeOffice> <304D5198A67F406A9764A137DD413E10@DanBillingsPC> <18857.42348.713124.318817@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <3D91911134744D2FB6C553EF885D43CC@DanBillingsPC> <18857.49623.151983.52367@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18857.61430.890286.227828@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is it not a fact that when the doctrine was in effect that a broadcaster > could face sanctions if they did not comply with it? I'm not aware of any situation in which that took place (which is not to say that it didn't happen; any broadcaster may face sanctions if they fail to comply with the law). But we are talking about an era in which it was possible for a new applicant to file against the renewal of an existing station and get a comparative hearing. (And licenses only lasted for three years at a time, so renewals were quite frequent and could be held up for many years in hearings -- that's ultimately how WNAC-TV lost its license. There are also reports of FCC staffers demanding, /ultra vires/, programming changes from existing licensees as a condition of license renewal; I don't know how that ultimately turned out.) -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 20:27:31 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? In-Reply-To: <20090301012057.2213A720480@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <408062.58420.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sat, 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) > > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul Harvey > has died. PaulHarvey.com also is reporting this. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 28 23:13:50 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:13:50 -0500 Subject: Matt Cassell traded, PS In-Reply-To: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090228235245.D034E1D64B5@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <8DEA092228B749BB856B419A639EBF98@DanBillingsPC> I think WEEI was live when the story broke this afternoon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Matt Cassell traded, PS > And is everyone in town doing syndicated programming at night on the > weekends? I would have expected the phone lines to be lighting up > with on-going commentary about both trades. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 28 23:48:49 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:48:49 -0600 Subject: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? In-Reply-To: <15535.82743.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770902281732m79e0b972x20759fa6049a3960@mail.gmail.com> <15535.82743.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770902282048p5badfb1aj3ac467479ffb7516@mail.gmail.com> Odd thing was Harvey for years had trouble being cleared in Boston. He was deemed too conservative for New England (koff koff) In the late 70's WACQ-1150 cleared both his news and 'rest of story' feature and it was the most listened to thing the station aired by far. When WACQ became WHUE the mighty 1030 grabbed him. Keith Oberman showed up on MSNBC tonight and said Harvey was the inspiration for Countdown, to give snippets across the board. Richard Nixon admitted he knew he had lost the country when Harvey said on the air 'I love you Mr. President but you have to go'. He was fiercely loyal to his adopted Chicago . On 2/28/09, Peter Q. George wrote: > >>>Legend too small a term...icon<< > > You can say that again. This is one industry icon who will surely be missed > for many years to come. There will never be another one like him. > (....sigh....) > :( > > RIP- Paul Harvey Aurandt (1918-2009) > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Re: Paul Harvey says his last good-day? >> To: "Donna Halper" , "(newsgroup) >> Boston-Radio-Interest" >> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:32 PM >> WLS-TV broke in with a bulletin as well. >> >> Legend too small a term...icon >> >> Page 2 >> >> On 2/28/09, Donna Halper wrote: >> > >> > >> > Broadcaster Paul Harvey reported dead (from wgn.com) >> > >> > WGN-AM is reporting that broadcasting legend Paul >> Harvey has died. >> > > > > >