From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Aug 1 00:41:04 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:41:04 -0400 Subject: More CBS HD observations Message-ID: <19059.51040.400298.803970@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> It's hardly likely that anyone cares at this point, but It doesn't appear that WBCN's HD2 ever does a legal ID. I think at this point I've heard all four (five?) announcements that the automation system knows, and not one includes the magic word "Boston". -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 01:56:13 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:56:13 -0400 Subject: Stooges, Bergeron on Howard 101 on XM/Sirius? Message-ID: <57177ABCAAD041C09BAC958378FC0EBD@MainXPPro> I know this is mostly a male oriented group, so I thought there might be some Stooges fans here... Did anyone get a chance to hear: "The Three Stooges: Lost and Found" on Howard 101 with some interviews with the Stooges by Tom Bergeron. I set my machine to tape it...and it only got 25 minutes worth. Anyone else hear this? (Or better yet have a copy?) From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Aug 1 12:26:17 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:26:17 -0500 Subject: Happy Retirement Nate Message-ID: <4fc429770908010926w3447e80eo8d364e24cc772d89@mail.gmail.com> Nate Whittemore officially retired from channel 4 this week after 52 years. I would have to guess he was the longest serving employee in the Boston market. Safe to say he was an eyewitness to more Boston history than anyone else. Happy Retirement http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1188375 From joe@joebrownphotos.com Sat Aug 1 13:07:47 2009 From: joe@joebrownphotos.com (Joe Brown Digital Photography) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:07:47 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV Videographer Retires Message-ID: <0KNP00KNZJN1GMR7@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Nat Whittemore the overnight news videographer retired from the station yesterday after 57 years of working the overnight shift. A very nice retirement lunch was held yesterday featuring speakers such as Shelby Scott, Peter Meheaghan, and WBZ Political reporter Carl Stevens. A nice way to send off a great videographer. Enjoy your retirement Nat! joe brown From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Sat Aug 1 12:30:28 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:30:28 -0400 Subject: Little-noted callsign change In-Reply-To: <19059.38607.891258.799291@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19058.14093.775883.613239@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A727C3E.18724.762C22@joe.attorneyross.com> <19058.33439.68863.269385@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A7374CC.3245.FFB6B5@Joe.attorneyross.com> <19059.38607.891258.799291@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <006901ca12c5$619d3370$24d79a50$@alternate@gmail.com> I've listened to this channel quite a bit, both in headphones and through my main stereo, and I've never heard any cross-talk on it. I'll listen again, but I have yet to hear any. >Speaking of WBMX-FM (HD2), can anyone identify the source of the >crosstalk in the right channel? --Mike ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 1 16:20:52 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:20:52 -0400 Subject: The Real Bob Oakes. References: Message-ID: <873188FEB7B9462BAF4ACDD8FA880170@SatU205S5044> For decades, I've been under the impression that the WBZ Bob Oakes and the WBUR Bob Oakes are the same person. You are telling me that this isn't so. But I could swear that I heard someone on 'BZ years and years ago who went by the name Bob Oakes and who sounded just like the WBUR Bob Oakes. Besides sharing the name, do the two of you also sound alike? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Oakes" To: Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: The Real Bob Oakes. I'm curious if the Bob Oakes at WBUR is a real Bob Oakes as in his given name. If not, what is his real name and when did he adopt the name? This Bob Oakes was Program Manager at WBZ from 1968 - 1976. Info is appreciated. Bob Oakes born 12/18/41 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Aug 1 17:14:08 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:14:08 -0400 Subject: The Real Bob Oakes. In-Reply-To: <873188FEB7B9462BAF4ACDD8FA880170@SatU205S5044> References: <873188FEB7B9462BAF4ACDD8FA880170@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20090801211451.83FA41B4011@relay28.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 04:20 PM 8/1/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >For decades, I've been under the impression that the WBZ Bob Oakes and >the WBUR Bob Oakes are the same person. You are telling me that this >isn't so. But I could swear that I heard someone on 'BZ years and >years ago who went by the name Bob Oakes and who sounded just like the >WBUR Bob Oakes. Besides sharing the name, do the two of you also sound >alike? Actually, the Bob Oakes on WBUR had been on WEEI back when it was a news station. According to the Fitchburg Sentinel, the Bob Oakes on WBUR is a graduate of Mt. Wachusett Community College (1974) and he came to WBUR when WEEI changed format. There is no mention on the WBUR bio nor on the Sentinel story that he ever worked at WBZ, but he may have...radio people do get around! From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Aug 2 09:28:40 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:28:40 -0500 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz Message-ID: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> I noticed on Wikipedia, in an entry on the "FM band" that last year the FCC said it would look into the possibility of extending the FM band down to 76 MHz, perhaps in the interest of broadcast diversity. It was said public comment was welcome. The article said that the Japanese FM broadcast band is 76-90 MHz (only such instance in the world?) and here in US FM began at 88.1 (or perhaps some at 87.9? LPFMs?) so as not to cause interference with Ch 5 or Ch 6 analog. But I wonder if such a thing would happen. Obviously pre-existing radios won't be able to pick up the "new" freqs though with time new radios would be made to include 76.1 to 87.9 (etc) What would go there...community radio/LPFMs? Pirates? (they'd look the other way, since most people won't be able to pick up those freqs at first, anyway?) Commercial stations? Hmm. My tech knowledge is very limited but it's interesting to think about. --Bob Nelson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 2 10:18:23 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:18:23 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz References: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <6897A530A88E4A848E51DD86EFB3815C@SatU205S5044> You left out one of the biggest potential users--AMs. Many of the proposals to extend the FM band to 76 MHz have been coupled with the suggestion that AMs either receive preference in the extended FM band or be required to move there. Canada has not completely shut down AM--yet--but the number of AMs has dramatically decreased there in the last five years. I could see extension of the FM band as a means of shutting down AM in the US--perhaps with a last-minute reprieve when the idea that FM can't readily serve large areas (something that every broadcast engineer already knows) finally sinks in with the bureaucrats and pols, who will get the message when their constituents realize what is happening and start to complain. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz I noticed on Wikipedia, in an entry on the "FM band" that last year the FCC said it would look into the possibility of extending the FM band down to 76 MHz, perhaps in the interest of broadcast diversity. It was said public comment was welcome. The article said that the Japanese FM broadcast band is 76-90 MHz (only such instance in the world?) and here in US FM began at 88.1 (or perhaps some at 87.9? LPFMs?) so as not to cause interference with Ch 5 or Ch 6 analog. But I wonder if such a thing would happen. Obviously pre-existing radios won't be able to pick up the "new" freqs though with time new radios would be made to include 76.1 to 87.9 (etc) What would go there...community radio/LPFMs? Pirates? (they'd look the other way, since most people won't be able to pick up those freqs at first, anyway?) Commercial stations? Hmm. My tech knowledge is very limited but it's interesting to think about. --Bob Nelson From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 10:45:57 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It makes sense. Both VHF-lo and VHF-hi have been proven in the "real world" to be totally sub-par for Digital Television compared to UHF, something that I (somehow) KNEW years ago when I started writing the "UHF Morgue" exhibits (http://radiodxer.bravehost.com). I've always thought that 76.1-87.9 MHz would be perfect for an extended FM band. This would allow better distribution for frequencies for LPFM and the Grandfathered Class D FM stations to migrate. If they were to allow these stations to switch to the new frequencies and allow simulcasting for a period, not to exceed 10 years (or when the expanded band radios would be more plentiful enough), then the old frequency would be discontinued. Also, FMeXtra digital broadcasting system should be a less-expensive OPTION for these expanded band stations to commence digital service in lieu of the very expensive and less-than-dependable IBOC system. The radios should be able to automatically switch from IBOC or FMeXtra. There should be no timetable for an all digital radio conversion. Analog still is the only true way to ensure emergency alerts will be available to the general public. The digital signal is still not a dependable source for EAS or emergency information, especially during natural or man-made disasters. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > From: Bob Nelson > Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 9:28 AM > I noticed on Wikipedia, in an entry > on the "FM band" that last year the FCC said it would look > into the possibility > of extending the FM band down to 76 MHz, perhaps in the > interest of broadcast diversity. It was said public comment > was welcome. The article said that the Japanese FM > broadcast band is 76-90 MHz (only such instance in the > world?) and > here in US FM began at 88.1 (or perhaps some at 87.9? > LPFMs?) so as not to cause interference with Ch 5 or Ch 6 > analog. > > But I wonder if such a thing would happen. Obviously > pre-existing radios won't be able to pick up the "new" > freqs > though with time new radios would be made to include 76.1 > to 87.9 (etc) What would go there...community radio/LPFMs? > Pirates? (they'd look the other way, since most people > won't be able to pick up those freqs at first, anyway?) > Commercial stations? > Hmm. > > My tech knowledge is very limited but it's interesting to > think about. > > --Bob Nelson > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Aug 2 11:09:57 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:57 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908020809w696de0a5sa02b3b86d724266a@mail.gmail.com> Interesting--and yes, put AMs on there. Are we ready for WRKO-FM 70.1, WESX-FM 78.3, etc.? Or yes, move the class Ds there perhaps with a simulcast for a time (typed while on air at WMWM while playing a 4 minute song by the Dirty Mac Blues Band) :) ---Bob Nelson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 2 11:13:27 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:13:27 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz References: <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83166512035444CDA14DBF1A80468F60@SatU205S5044> But there are places, such as Philadelphia, where, apparently, no UHF allocations exist for the VHF TVs to move their DTV signals. WPVI is therefore stuck on Channel 6. (In Schenectady, WRGB is also stuck on channel 6, but through its own pig-headedness; a lot of people in the Capital District must be saying, "I told you so." Maybe there is a UHF channel or a high-band V channel that it could use.) Now high-band V, though not as good for DTV as UHF, is better for DTV than low-band V, and I don't think any station in Philadelphia has taken over Channel 10, which was used there for Analog TV. So if you accept 174-216 MHz for DTVs that couldn/t find a home on UHF, maybe it would be possible to clear all TVs off of Channels 5 and 6. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Bob Nelson" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: extending FM band down to 76 MHz > It makes sense. Both VHF-lo and VHF-hi have been proven in the > "real world" to be totally sub-par for Digital Television compared > to UHF, > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 12:19:01 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <83166512035444CDA14DBF1A80468F60@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <697686.25871.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Could WRGB go back to their pre-transition Channel 39? Why not. What would be the limiting factor in going back? Channel 6 was great for analog use. For DTV, on the other hand, it's a disaster. I'm sure that there is enough UHF space in the Capital District to put WRGB back to UHF. I believe it would be far enough away from WSBK-39. I think that the FCC made a big mistake in cleaning out UHF Channels 52-69 for land-mobile, in the first place. Those channels would have had ample space so that ALL full-powered TV stations could go DTV with plenty of room to spare for NEW stations and all LPTV's and translators. VHF-hi would be fine for other uses other than TV. VHF-lo (5 and 6 would be perfect for the expanded FM). Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > From: Dan.Strassberg > Subject: Re: extending FM band down to 76 MHz > To: "Peter Q. George" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" , "Bob Nelson" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:13 AM > But there are places, such as > Philadelphia, where, apparently, no UHF > allocations exist for the VHF TVs to move their DTV > signals. WPVI is > therefore stuck on Channel 6. (In Schenectady, WRGB is also > stuck on > channel 6, but through its own pig-headedness; a lot of > people in the > Capital District must be saying, "I told you so." Maybe > there is a UHF > channel or a high-band V channel that it could use.) Now > high-band V, > though not as good for DTV as UHF, is better for DTV than > low-band V, > and I don't think any station in Philadelphia has taken > over Channel > 10, which was used there for Analog TV. So if you accept > 174-216 MHz > for DTVs that couldn/t find a home on UHF, maybe it would > be possible > to clear all TVs off of Channels 5 and 6. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Q. George" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > ; > "Bob Nelson" > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: extending FM band down to 76 MHz > > > > It makes sense.? Both VHF-lo and VHF-hi have been > proven in the > > "real world" to be totally sub-par for Digital > Television compared > > to UHF, > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > > Whitman, Massachusetts > > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 2 12:35:29 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:35:29 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <697686.25871.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <83166512035444CDA14DBF1A80468F60@SatU205S5044> <697686.25871.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19061.49233.954017.170278@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think that the FCC made a big mistake in cleaning out UHF Channels > 52-69 for land-mobile, in the first place. Those channels would > have had ample space so that ALL full-powered TV stations could go > DTV with plenty of room to spare for NEW stations and all LPTV's and > translators. VHF-hi would be fine for other uses other than TV. Wrong on both counts, unfortunately. A minimally-efficient VHF-high antenna is still 16 inches long, which is far too long for any mobile device today. A quarter-wave at 750 MHz less than four inches, making antenna-size constraints -- and multipath -- far less of an issue for device manufacturers. That's why Qualcomm MediaFLO operates on channel 55: it could be reasonably received on devices and antennas designed for the cellular (850-900 MHz) band. The government simply would not have received any revenue from auctioning off any other part of the TV spectrum -- it's useless to anyone other than broadcasters. > VHF-lo (5 and 6 would be perfect for the expanded FM). I have an FM tuner that goes down that low (Sony ICF-1000T) but most people don't. The installed base of FM radios is in the billions. I think the ship has already sailed for this proposal, unfortunately. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Aug 2 15:59:00 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (rac@gabrielmass.com) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:59:00 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz Message-ID: <20090802200024.A5EEC88404F6@server3.gabrielmass.com> Well, if the US were to extend its FM band, we may as well be efficient about it and allocate the new range to digital radio only. --rc From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 2 16:19:53 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:19:53 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <20090802200024.A5EEC88404F6@server3.gabrielmass.com> References: <20090802200024.A5EEC88404F6@server3.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <0KNR00M0KN5M5L90@asmtp014.mac.com> At 03:59 PM 8/2/2009, rac@gabrielmass.com wrote: >Well, if the US were to extend its FM band, we may as well be >efficient about it and allocate the new range to digital radio only. >--rc Now you're talkin'. And when their's enough of a base of digital receivers out there, then and only then can digital take over the entire band (76 to 108) and analog can go away for good. But you need to have a digital scheme that will work well in car and portable radios. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sun Aug 2 16:55:10 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:55:10 -0400 Subject: The Real Bob Oakes. References: <873188FEB7B9462BAF4ACDD8FA880170@SatU205S5044> <20090801211451.83FA41B4011@relay28.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: Yes, Bob Oakes #1 was on WEEI and Bob Oaks #2 was 'BZ PD. He was boss for several years when Jack Pluntze was my news director. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Oakes" ; Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. > At 04:20 PM 8/1/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>For decades, I've been under the impression that the WBZ Bob Oakes and >>the WBUR Bob Oakes are the same person. You are telling me that this >>isn't so. But I could swear that I heard someone on 'BZ years and >>years ago who went by the name Bob Oakes and who sounded just like the >>WBUR Bob Oakes. Besides sharing the name, do the two of you also sound >>alike? > > Actually, the Bob Oakes on WBUR had been on WEEI back when it was a news > station. According to the Fitchburg Sentinel, the Bob Oakes on WBUR is a > graduate of Mt. Wachusett Community College (1974) and he came to WBUR > when WEEI changed format. There is no mention on the WBUR bio nor on the > Sentinel story that he ever worked at WBZ, but he may have...radio people > do get around! > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 2 17:27:19 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:27:19 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz References: <20090802200024.A5EEC88404F6@server3.gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <30B81AAC3631464BA7940B7072D9F716@SatU205S5044> In my opinion, that's a very bad idea. Although existing FM receivers can't tune the 76-88-MHz band (except for a small number that were able to receive the audio of analog NTSC TV broadcasts), making the stations on the 76-88-MHz band use a different (and presumably superior) method of conveying information would not have the desired effect of expanding the FM band. Rather, the move would have the effect of increasing demand for facilities that are, in effect, redundant with those on the existing FM band. And since we're talking about 12 MHz in the new band vs 20 MHz in the existing band, there wouldn't be enough spectrum for the existing FM licensees, let alone AM licensees or anyone who wants to add a signal. Between, the clods in positions of authority in the Radio Industry and the clods at the FCC, we already have an abundance of "talented" individuals who stand ready and able to muck this up to a fair-thee-well. What we need are some people with clear heads. The obvious approaches are very likely the wrong ones. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: extending FM band down to 76 MHz > Well, if the US were to extend its FM band, we may as well be > efficient about it and allocate the new range to digital radio only. > --rc > > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sun Aug 2 16:50:22 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:50:22 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV Videographer Retires References: <0KNP00KNZJN1GMR7@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3824D88099414EA686D379897EC4ABCD@teddesktop> Well, he is one great guy and we worked together often. Such a had worker and truly committed to his profession, with one of the driest senses humor ever. It was his video that broke the Boston Freighters arson case when Federal investigators noticed the same guys showing up on some/all of his footage for the fires. He slept with a scanner on. Nat, I send you my very best and wish I'd been at your party! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown Digital Photography" To: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: WBZ-TV Videographer Retires > > Nat Whittemore the overnight news videographer retired from the station > yesterday after 57 years of working the overnight shift. > > A very nice retirement lunch was held yesterday featuring speakers such as > Shelby Scott, Peter Meheaghan, and WBZ Political reporter Carl Stevens. > > A nice way to send off a great videographer. > > Enjoy your retirement Nat! > > joe brown > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Aug 2 17:35:05 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:35:05 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <0KNR00M0KN5M5L90@asmtp014.mac.com> References: <20090802200024.A5EEC88404F6@server3.gabrielmass.com> <0KNR00M0KN5M5L90@asmtp014.mac.com> Message-ID: <18911616-D9C3-4792-99B3-756D4DADF425@charter.net> The UK is already proposing to go all digital by 2015. Canada is already phasing out AM. With satellite radio and HD radio floundering and TV already transitioned, it seems to be the perfect time to start preparing for a move to digital broadcasting in this country. It would be radical, but if planned right, it could be very efficient. Imagine all digital from 76-108, with sub-channels, and linked repeaters so that when you travel out of one area, the radio would tune to the next repeater so popular channels/stations could be received seamlessly across most of the country, much like satellite radio, but free. This is happening already in the UK. With all the corporate owned stations around the US sharing playlists and personalities across hundreds of stations already, the infrastructure is there. There would be a few all-local stations in each market that would survive, but most others would link up with national services, with the ability to insert local commercials and other content. Traffic and weather on the threes? No need. There would be a digital sub-channel in each market devoted to this info 24/7 that's easily accessible from a new generation digital radio. The possibilities are endless. It would be organized, digital, and sufficiently upgraded for the next 50 years. Of course, it would never happen because the special interests and the FCC would FUBAR the crap out of such a proposal... -Dave Tomm On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 03:59 PM 8/2/2009, rac@gabrielmass.com wrote: > >> Well, if the US were to extend its FM band, we may as well be >> efficient about it and allocate the new range to digital radio only. >> --rc > > Now you're talkin'. And when their's enough of a base of digital > receivers out there, then and only then can digital take over the > entire band (76 to 108) and analog can go away for good. But you > need to have a digital scheme that will work well in car and > portable radios. > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Aug 2 19:35:22 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:35:22 EDT Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2009 12:03:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>You left out one of the biggest potential users--AMs. Many of the proposals to extend the FM band to 76 MHz have been coupled with the suggestion that AMs either receive preference in the extended FM band or be required to move there. Canada has not completely shut down AM--yet--but the number of AMs has dramatically decreased there in the last five years. I could see extension of the FM band as a means of shutting down AM in the US--perhaps with a last-minute reprieve when the idea that FM can't readily serve large areas (something that every broadcast engineer already knows) finally sinks in with the bureaucrats and pols, who will get the message when their constituents realize what is happening and start to complain.<<< If the FCC allowed this tomorrow how long would it take to reach critical mass with radios and or converters to receive this new band? It would probably be like early FM or early HDTV and that is pump RF into the air to keep your license. Mike Hemeon **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 2 21:24:48 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:24:48 -0400 Subject: Does WICN *ever* do a legal ID? Message-ID: <19062.15456.403895.908712@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> The last legal ID I ever heard on WICN was back in 1995. Since then, I have tuned in every so often (usually when driving that way on the Turnpike around the top of the hour) and have not heard them identify. Is there someone in "the Printers' Building in downtown Worcester" who thinks the FCC rules don't apply to them? In their 2005 renewal application (BRED-20051130CWL), station president Michael Gorman did certify that "there have been no violations [of] the rules or regulations of the Commission during the preceding license term". The FCC granted the renewal in 2006, so they're not up for renewal again until 2012 AIUI. -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Aug 2 21:36:31 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:36:31 -0400 Subject: Does WICN *ever* do a legal ID? In-Reply-To: <19062.15456.403895.908712@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19062.15456.403895.908712@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001201ca13da$d45d19f0$7d174dd0$@net> > The last legal ID I ever heard on WICN was back in 1995. Since then, > I have tuned in every so often (usually when driving that way on the > Turnpike around the top of the hour) and have not heard them > identify. Is there someone in "the Printers' Building in downtown > Worcester" who thinks the FCC rules don't apply to them? > > In their 2005 renewal application (BRED-20051130CWL), station > president Michael Gorman did certify that "there have been no > violations [of] the rules or regulations of the Commission during the > preceding license term". The FCC granted the renewal in 2006, so > they're not up for renewal again until 2012 AIUI. I recorded one back in November, just haven't had a chance to post it on tophour.com yet. It wasn't 100% legal (they said "in" between WICN and Worcester), but it was close. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 2 21:46:24 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:46:24 -0400 Subject: Does WICN *ever* do a legal ID? In-Reply-To: <001201ca13da$d45d19f0$7d174dd0$@net> References: <19062.15456.403895.908712@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <001201ca13da$d45d19f0$7d174dd0$@net> Message-ID: <19062.16752.195029.931419@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I recorded one back in November, just haven't had a chance to post it on > tophour.com yet. It wasn't 100% legal (they said "in" between WICN and > Worcester), but it was close. I'd count that, but I've yet to hear one recently. (I think the 1995 one that I have is like that.) Nothing I've heard recently even has the words "WICN" and "Worcester" in the correct order, if it even mentions Worcester at all, never mind those pesky "other insertion[s]". -GAWollman From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Sun Aug 2 21:48:31 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:48:31 EDT Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2009 12:03:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Both VHF-lo and VHF-hi have been proven in the "real world" to be totally sub-par for Digital Television compared to UHF, something that I (somehow) KNEW years ago when I started writing the "UHF Morgue" exhibits (http://radiodxer.bravehost.com). I've always thought that 76.1-87.9 MHz would be perfect for an extended FM band. This would allow better distribution for frequencies for LPFM and the Grandfathered Class D FM stations to migrate. If they were to allow these stations to switch to the new frequencies and allow simulcasting for a period, not to exceed 10 years (or when the expanded band radios would be more plentiful enough), then the old frequency would be discontinued.<< An extended FM band is an ideal use of this new found bandwidth and I support it but will consumers purchase new radios? I haven't exactly seen IBOC radios flying off the shelf. This reminds me of the introduction of HDTV when you had to heat the air with a digital signal to keep your analog license and NBC had a list of viewers with HDTV sets. They would e-mail them when there was a program to be broadcast in HDTV. Great idea but can these stations survive a ten year, or more, period with little or no income? Deep pockets win! Mike Hemeon From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 2 22:54:20 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:54:20 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0908020809w696de0a5sa02b3b86d724266a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <1fbbbced0908020809w696de0a5sa02b3b86d724266a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A76515C.12894.7ECE7F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2009 at 11:09, Bob Nelson wrote: > Interesting--and yes, put AMs on there. Are we ready for WRKO-FM 70.1, > WESX-FM 78.3, etc.? Or yes, move the class Ds there perhaps with a > simulcast for a time I want WJIB-FM! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 2 22:54:21 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:54:21 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <949386.11915.qm@web50809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A76515D.12472.7ECFC0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2009 at 7:45, Peter Q. George wrote: > Also, FMeXtra digital broadcasting system should be a less-expensive > OPTION for these expanded band stations to commence digital service in > lieu of the very expensive and less-than-dependable IBOC system. What's FMeXtra? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 2 22:54:21 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:54:21 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A76515D.30793.7ED0EC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2009 at 21:48, TVNETDUDE@aol.com wrote: > An extended FM band is an ideal use of this new found bandwidth and > I support it but will consumers purchase new radios? I haven't > exactly seen IBOC radios flying off the shelf. If every new FM radio had to cover the entire FM band as expanded, consumers would eventually have enough new radios to provide a listener base. That's ultimately what made UHF television work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 2 22:54:20 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:54:20 -0400 Subject: extending FM band down to 76 MHz In-Reply-To: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090802132840.009A1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A76515C.21474.7ECD17@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2009 at 8:28, Bob Nelson wrote: > But I wonder if such a thing would happen. Obviously pre-existing > radios won't be able to pick up the "new" freqs though with time new > radios would be made to include 76.1 to 87.9 (etc) What would go > there...community radio/LPFMs? Pirates? (they'd look the other way, > since most people won't be able to pick up those freqs at first, > anyway?) Commercial stations? Hmm. Well, if I'm remembering correctly, the AM band has been extended twice. Somewhere back in the early days, it used to end around 1500 and was extended to 1600, and more recently it has been extended to 1700, immediately enhancing the usefulness of old radios that were set to receive the old police band at 1700. A lot the AM Extended Band has been good for, but the older band extension has been filled up to the point where we can't tell the difference any more. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Aug 2 23:50:58 2009 From: songbook2@comcast.net (songbook2@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Early WGBH-FM Volunteer Message-ID: <1053691666.6973381249271458106.JavaMail.root@sz0162a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Perhaps there are some on this list who would be interested in my post on the WGBH Alumni web site about the first days of WGBH-FM from the Symphony Hall studios. Anyone remember those 1951-52 days, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook24@gmail.com Here's the link to the post: http://wgbhalumni.org/people/butler-russ.html From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Aug 2 23:52:54 2009 From: songbook2@comcast.net (songbook2@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Early WG-FM Volunteer Message-ID: <666034959.6973691249271574101.JavaMail.root@sz0162a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Perhaps there are some on this list who would be interested in my post on the WGBH Alumni web site about the first days of WGBH-FM from the Symphony Hall studios. Anyone remember those 1951-52 days, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook24@gmail.com Here's the link to the post: http://wgbhalumni.org/people/butler-russ.html From songbook2@comcast.net Sun Aug 2 23:55:40 2009 From: songbook2@comcast.net (songbook2@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Early WGBH-FM Volunteer Message-ID: <1226095502.6974531249271740662.JavaMail.root@sz0162a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Perhaps there are some on this list who would be interested in my post on the WGBH Alumni web site about the first days of WGBH-FM from the Symphony Hall studios. Anyone remember those 1951-52 days, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks. =Russ Butler songbook24@gmail.com Here's the link to the post: http://wgbhalumni.org/people/butler-russ.html From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Aug 3 06:00:08 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:00:08 -0400 Subject: Fw: The Real Bob Oakes. Message-ID: Hi did you get this? Not trying to be pushy, but I think it helps clean up the confusion folks had over "Bob Oaks." You can eliminate this text Thanks, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Oakes" ; Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. > Yes, Bob Oakes #1 was on WEEI and Bob Oaks #2 was 'BZ PD. He was boss for > several years when Jack Pluntze was my news director. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Oakes" > ; > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. > > >> At 04:20 PM 8/1/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>>For decades, I've been under the impression that the WBZ Bob Oakes and >>>the WBUR Bob Oakes are the same person. You are telling me that this >>>isn't so. But I could swear that I heard someone on 'BZ years and >>>years ago who went by the name Bob Oakes and who sounded just like the >>>WBUR Bob Oakes. Besides sharing the name, do the two of you also sound >>>alike? >> >> Actually, the Bob Oakes on WBUR had been on WEEI back when it was a news >> station. According to the Fitchburg Sentinel, the Bob Oakes on WBUR is a >> graduate of Mt. Wachusett Community College (1974) and he came to WBUR >> when WEEI changed format. There is no mention on the WBUR bio nor on the >> Sentinel story that he ever worked at WBZ, but he may have...radio people >> do get around! >> >> > From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Aug 3 06:50:40 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:50:40 -0400 Subject: Nat Whittemore Retirement Message-ID: <69F85658D44C468A9BF8BF81C933133E@teddesktop> I mentioned he has one of the driest senses of humor I've ever encountered and here's a great example. It was in the early '80's and I was early morning reporter for WBZ Radio. About 5am the police radio send a call for a shooting at the Ramada Inn garage next door. It's was a quick run for me with Nat arriving seconds later, both of us before the police or anyone else. Sure enough there was a guy shot in the head, lying again the rear window of a Red AMC Marlin. Within minutes the scene is teaming with police, EMT's and every station in town. With all of the flashing lights it looked like a movie scene. Just as dawn broke an elderly couple from Iowa left the Ramada with their baggage. "Oh, my," said the woman," what's going on here?" Nat quickly replied, "Just a drill mam, just a drill." "Oh very realistic," said, "very realistic." The details of the shooting are quite interesting. If anyone is interested, just write me. From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Aug 3 10:50:09 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:50:09 -0500 Subject: Fybush: Pirate next to WKAF; WGAJ Deerfield Message-ID: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Scott Fybush notes the FCC visited pirate WPOT 97.5, with a notice of unlicensed operation out to One Westinghouse Plaza--oh, how ironic!--WPOT, a Group W station :) --in Hyde Park See, they happen to be next to a certain Entercom property at 97.7, Brockton's WKAF //WAAF. The feds may move with a bit more pressure on building owner/station ops, etc. given the proximity to a legit station. But who knows. I'd think this one could be taken down more likely than, say, Touch 106.1, being right next to a licensed station rather than a bit further away... http://fybush.com/nerw.html Scott also notes that WGAJ 91.7 Deerfield, part of Howie Carr's alma mater (Deerfield Academy) could soon be gone. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Aug 3 11:19:24 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:19:24 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Pirate next to WKAF; WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> >Scott also notes that WGAJ 91.7 Deerfield, part of Howie Carr's alma mater (Deerfield Academy) could soon be gone. >>>> How long until UMass jumps for the freq? Brian From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Aug 3 11:28:04 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:28:04 -0400 Subject: Fybush: Pirate next to WKAF; WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908030828t6fbeddcq13ae9e10ab190949@mail.gmail.com> Indeed...btw radio-locator says their license runs out in 2014 but a quick web search turns up a page on Geocities (soon to be gone itself) for the station saying "UPDATE MAY 2009 WGAJ WILL BE GOING OFF THE AIR FOR GOOD ON MAY 19, 2009." http://www.geocities.com/wgajradio/ It looks like it's a site for the "Brock Hines show" on that station but is the closest I can find to an official web page > How long until UMass jumps for the freq? > > Brian > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 4 12:56:51 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:56:51 -0500 Subject: The Globe/WEEI war is over. Message-ID: <20090804165651.61A0F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks to Kevin Vahey who pointed out this Boston Sports Media Watch tidbit to me: after years of acrimony, the Globe and WEEI team up. Again. WEEI announced that they and the Globe "have agreed that Globe sports writers will appear as guests on all WEEI talk shows, effective immediately." http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2009/08/weei-and-globe-tear-down-the-wall 9 days away from the debut of WBZ-FM. Hmm. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Aug 4 12:59:54 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:59:54 -0500 Subject: WEEI must be terrified Message-ID: <4fc429770908040959u2fee16e9vea75de554e8c7f78@mail.gmail.com> This morning comes the word that the almost 10 year ban of Globe staffers being on WEEI has ended. Tony Mazz had been rumored to be set to co-host with Felger but now one has to wonder. This is going to be fun http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2009/08/weei-and-globe-tear-down-the-wall From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 4 14:10:11 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:10:11 -0500 Subject: 3 sets of former Boston area call letters in Charlotte Message-ID: <20090804181011.9045783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> It has been noted that the AM 1660 in Charlotte, NC has become WBMX for now and will probably wind up being WBCN. This is not the only case of former Boston call letters winding up there. I was on the radio-locator.com page for Charlotte and noticed the area also has a WLYT (was on 92.5, Haverhill) and WKKT (was on 100.7). Ultimately WBCN will be parked (so competitors can't get them) at 1660 in Charlotte From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 14:38:55 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI must be terrified In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908040959u2fee16e9vea75de554e8c7f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908040959u2fee16e9vea75de554e8c7f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <310101.1230.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Globe is doing this for one reason - if the writers get the OK for outside work (the hope is) they won't be looking for raises. It's not about love for WEEI or distrust of the new station. They're probably OK with Mazz being Felger's co-host as long as the paper and Boston.com get mentioned a lot. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 4 14:43:11 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:43:11 -0500 Subject: WEEI must be terrified Message-ID: <20090804184311.B7A2583BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Indeed http://www.bostonradiowatch.com does mention this war has gone on for a solid decade. It's also mentioned only the midday Dale and Holley show will allow Globe sports writers to appear in person; it will be call ins for am and pm drive. No word on Planet Mikey. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Aug 4 15:31:54 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:31:54 -0500 Subject: WEEI must be terrified In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908040959u2fee16e9vea75de554e8c7f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908040959u2fee16e9vea75de554e8c7f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908041231u500dda5elef8a269ef050f292@mail.gmail.com> Given how the Globe and NESN are not on the best of terms after 10.0 and the strong rumors from Watertown that The Big Show will soon be on NESN every day this could be part of the reason no in studio for TBS. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 15:02:43 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WENH-DT Durham NH Channel off air for upgrade Message-ID: <302536.32580.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Channel 11-DT Durham NH is off the air for the antenna/power upgrade. I expect to see them back on the air this evening with an upgraded signal. John B Londonderry NH From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Aug 4 21:24:20 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:24:20 -0400 Subject: The Real Bob Oakes. References: <873188FEB7B9462BAF4ACDD8FA880170@SatU205S5044> <20090801211451.83FA41B4011@relay28.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <5C5FE263E8E64BA198291F35B95FDF70@windowsf403eeb> Message-ID: Yes it has been a long time. Ok, I think after tireless efforts I solved the "Oakes Mystery." It appears the EEI / BUR Oakes is his real name, but you were in town first. Links 1-2 are the "Other Bob Oakes." Link 3 is an "Oakes" you know very well. http://www.mwcc.edu/future/oakes.html http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/31n_WR0O0IIJJ_3DCjHt9A?select=LHekEN0i6Te2H_gvDVEmdg http://www.reelradio.com/oakes/index.html Re; Jack Pluntze. I haven't a clue what he did after leaving 'BZ. When announcing he was retiring Jack said he was moving to LA be in oil executive recruiting for the Middle East. I've searched and searched the web...and nothing except a few mentions of his days at WNEW. But at least the "Oakes Affair" has been solved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Oakes" To: "Ted Larsen" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. > Hello Ted ... > > Long time. I'm the 'BZ Bob Oakes. Any idea where Jack Pluntze is now? > > So far my question re who was Bob Oakes in Boston first. Just curious if > the 'EEI guy picked up my name. > > Best regards, > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Larsen" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Bob Oakes" ; > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. > > >> Yes, Bob Oakes #1 was on WEEI and Bob Oaks #2 was 'BZ PD. He was boss >> for several years when Jack Pluntze was my news director. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Donna Halper" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Bob Oakes" >> ; >> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:14 PM >> Subject: Re: The Real Bob Oakes. >> >> >>> At 04:20 PM 8/1/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>>>For decades, I've been under the impression that the WBZ Bob Oakes and >>>>the WBUR Bob Oakes are the same person. You are telling me that this >>>>isn't so. But I could swear that I heard someone on 'BZ years and >>>>years ago who went by the name Bob Oakes and who sounded just like the >>>>WBUR Bob Oakes. Besides sharing the name, do the two of you also sound >>>>alike? >>> >>> Actually, the Bob Oakes on WBUR had been on WEEI back when it was a news >>> station. According to the Fitchburg Sentinel, the Bob Oakes on WBUR is >>> a graduate of Mt. Wachusett Community College (1974) and he came to WBUR >>> when WEEI changed format. There is no mention on the WBUR bio nor on >>> the Sentinel story that he ever worked at WBZ, but he may have...radio >>> people do get around! >>> >>> >> >> > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 5 02:42:09 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:42:09 -0500 Subject: WEEI must be terrified Message-ID: <20090805064209.AF0FA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> The Track Gals at the Herald say it's quite possible Tony Massarotti will jump to the new 98.5 as a partner for Michael Felger. http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1189189 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 21:36:49 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WENH-DT Durham NH Channel STILL off air In-Reply-To: <302536.32580.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <360779.85883.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.nhptv.org/pressroom/release_detail.asp?hp_id=845 (Durham, August 5, 2009) ? Channel 11 antenna replacement at Saddleback Mountain in Deerfield, NH, is underway. Some of our viewers are experiencing service outages due to the lack of signal from the antenna. Uncertain weather conditions (thunder and lightning storms are forecast) are slowing the installation of the new antenna. etc... John B Londonderry NH From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Wed Aug 5 23:02:40 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:02:40 -0400 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> Message-ID: <00a201ca1642$5c6bc620$15435260$@alternate@gmail.com> >> How long until UMass jumps for the freq? Or Alan Chartock (WAMC)... (and yes, I know WAMC's signal over that area is stellar, but it is also stellar over Great Barrington where he bought 105.1 from Berkshire Broadcasting). Or "K-Love 91.7". --Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: Fybush: Pirate next to WKAF; WGAJ Deerfield >Scott also notes that WGAJ 91.7 Deerfield, part of Howie Carr's alma mater >(Deerfield Academy) could soon be gone. ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 5 23:12:37 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:12:37 -0400 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <00a201ca1642$5c6bc620$15435260$@alternate@gmail.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <00a201ca1642$5c6bc620$15435260$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19066.18981.443677.783616@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >>> How long until UMass jumps for the freq? > Or Alan Chartock (WAMC)... If the other part of UMass has any money to spend, it would make an obvious complement to WNNZ. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 5 23:07:00 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:07:00 -0500 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> WGAJ is currently dismantling their studio and will selling the equipment. They are investigating the options concerning their license. Paul Walker On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Mike Fitzpatrick < necrat.alternate@gmail.com> wrote: > >> How long until UMass jumps for the freq? > > Or Alan Chartock (WAMC)... > > (and yes, I know WAMC's signal over that area is stellar, but it is also > stellar over > Great Barrington where he bought 105.1 from Berkshire Broadcasting). > > Or "K-Love 91.7". > > --Mike > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: RE: Fybush: Pirate next to WKAF; WGAJ Deerfield > > >Scott also notes that WGAJ 91.7 Deerfield, part of Howie Carr's alma mater > >(Deerfield Academy) could soon be gone. > > > > ---------------- > Mike Fitzpatrick > WPRI/WNAC -TV > Providence, RI. > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Aug 6 00:33:46 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:33:46 -0500 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0908052128r11e36b7dl4edd07bfe75764a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0908052128r11e36b7dl4edd07bfe75764a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908052133taabde3auacdb7d1a1a2a61b1@mail.gmail.com> I dont know who they'd consider selling to, but I just know what I'm told, and I also know that a local New England group has made an offer to the school for just the license. Paul On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > ...Religious station translator, anyone? (example: "K-Love" which acc. > to Wikipedia > is on about 412 FM stations/translators nationwide...) > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Paul B. Walker, > Jr. wrote: > > WGAJ is currently dismantling their studio and will selling the > equipment. > > They are investigating the options concerning their license. > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 6 00:43:04 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:43:04 -0400 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19066.24408.856271.133636@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > WGAJ is currently dismantling their studio and will selling the equipment. > They are investigating the options concerning their license. And you know this because....? -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Aug 6 00:44:37 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:44:37 -0500 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <19066.24408.856271.133636@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> <19066.24408.856271.133636@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908052144m62040ae5j3e556e82e09b2201@mail.gmail.com> Staff directly responsible for WGAJ that work at Deerfield told me after I inquired to them via email on what the future of WGAJ was. Paul Walker On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said: > > > WGAJ is currently dismantling their studio and will selling the > equipment. > > They are investigating the options concerning their license. > > And you know this because....? > > -GAWollman > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 6 00:46:51 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:46:51 -0400 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908052133taabde3auacdb7d1a1a2a61b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0908052128r11e36b7dl4edd07bfe75764a0@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80908052133taabde3auacdb7d1a1a2a61b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908052146p2e28944btb63bf5d1e32c16e9@mail.gmail.com> Ah--well, we'll see who it is, but such a signal could be attractive to religious multi-casters. But a New England group...I wonder if Vermont EarthWorks Radio, who have an LPFM at 107.7 in Brattleboro, would be interested...to rebroadcast their signal to a wider area. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I dont know who they'd consider selling to, but I just know what I'm told, > and I also know that a local New England group has made an offer to the > school for just the license. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Aug 6 00:28:09 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:28:09 -0400 Subject: WGAJ Deerfield In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090803145009.2599783985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <0BC303F9CBC14A0091FCB3B5DE1D7E81@passion> <-9210994999825850140@unknownmsgid> <8bce0fe80908052007yc9ba26bo8c3f473eebb479c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908052128r11e36b7dl4edd07bfe75764a0@mail.gmail.com> ...Religious station translator, anyone? (example: "K-Love" which acc. to Wikipedia is on about 412 FM stations/translators nationwide...) On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > WGAJ is currently dismantling their studio and will selling the equipment. > They are investigating the options concerning their license. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Aug 6 08:43:42 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:43:42 -0400 Subject: WENH-DT Durham NH Channel STILL off air In-Reply-To: <360779.85883.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <302536.32580.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <360779.85883.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ED27196A564F6D9D92BFA35ACB7243@fs.uml.edu> "Lack of signal from the antenna" is a well-proven cause of service outages! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Bolduc Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:37 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: WENH-DT Durham NH Channel STILL off air http://www.nhptv.org/pressroom/release_detail.asp?hp_id=845 (Durham, August 5, 2009) - Channel 11 antenna replacement at Saddleback Mountain in Deerfield, NH, is underway. Some of our viewers are experiencing service outages due to the lack of signal from the antenna. Uncertain weather conditions (thunder and lightning storms are forecast) are slowing the installation of the new antenna. etc... John B Londonderry NH From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 6 15:33:13 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:33:13 -0400 Subject: WBZ Update Message-ID: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> The "SwooooshThrum" intro to Traffic on the Threes has been replaced with a lengthy Synth-styled stinger with a repeating fade. I've noticed lately that frequently the news anchor with "highlights & sound bights" at TOH/BOH is buried under the trail-out music from the new ID-less News Intro. Who has control of the levels? The Sports announcer is plugging Boston's Sports Hub 98.5 at the end of each sportscast. Today they started plugging upcoming Patriot games with Gino & Gil. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 16:47:27 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ Update In-Reply-To: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> References: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <644080.42847.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And yet they still haven't officially named the lineup (other than mornings) for 98.5. Lots of rumors (and God knows I hear them here @ CSN) but nothing official. I've also heard that NESN isn't interested in simulcasting the Big Show. Either WEEI is asking for too much money or it will cost too much to set up the equipment. I really, really, really don't like the new traffic intro on BZ. That type of intro belongs on FM. The nature of AM transmissions limits the effect of fancy sounds, and it seems a lot of stations and production houses seem to forget that. Things that would stand out on FM just blur on AM. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 6 18:09:59 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:09:59 -0400 Subject: WBZ Update Message-ID: <4A7B54B7.2080305@ttlc.net> Paul Anderson wrote: > And doesn't the :00 and :30 voice sound a little formal? Who's the > voice? It sounds a lot like a TV News intro. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 18:23:23 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ Update In-Reply-To: <4A7B54B7.2080305@ttlc.net> References: <4A7B54B7.2080305@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <571442.6045.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Isn't it the same voice on WINS? ________________________________ From: Roger Kirk To: bri@bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:09:59 PM Subject: Re: WBZ Update Paul Anderson wrote: > And doesn't the :00 and :30 voice sound a little formal?? Who's the voice? It sounds a lot like a TV News intro. From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Aug 6 17:53:17 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:53:17 -0400 Subject: WBZ Update In-Reply-To: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> References: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <0A4E121E-C1B4-426C-AC4F-62E0DCB2D5AA@charter.net> > The "SwooooshThrum" intro to Traffic on the Threes has been replaced > with a lengthy Synth-styled stinger with a repeating fade. I like that intro but not necessarily for the traffic report. It is a bit long. The "headlines" sounder at :18 and :48 sounds good though. And I wonder, why haven't they ever used an intro for the sports report? And doesn't the :00 and :30 voice sound a little formal? Who's the voice? Maybe it's a bit jarring since I'm so familiar with the excellent WINS :00, :20 and :40 sounders with almost the same "the newswatch never stops" script. And I also wonder if they have a new "breaking news" sounder. The W-B-Z jingle is nicely used on all the new sounders and makes the station sound consistent. As long as they don't bring back the "50,000 watts of power" or the "free at last, free at last" or "he's OJ Simpson!" intros. Paul From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 6 23:09:22 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:09:22 -0400 Subject: Say hello to WBZ-FM Message-ID: <19067.39650.210293.702606@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> 98.5 quietly changed calls to WBZ-FM some time in the past day or so. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 7 00:02:05 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:02:05 -0400 Subject: WBZ Update References: <4A7B54B7.2080305@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <815D59405D1C438DA245301EADC43E98@DougDrown> Personally, I kinda like it, even if the guy does remind me of Ted axter. - Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: WBZ Update > Paul Anderson wrote: > >> And doesn't the :00 and :30 voice sound a little formal? Who's the >> voice? > It sounds a lot like a TV News intro. > > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 7 00:05:54 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:05:54 -0400 Subject: WBZ Update References: <4A7B2FF9.6030209@ttlc.net> <0A4E121E-C1B4-426C-AC4F-62E0DCB2D5AA@charter.net> Message-ID: I wonder if the "SwooshThrum" is being replaced on the other former Group W stations as well. KDKA has long used it; I'm not as sure about KYW and WINS. I guess traditions are made to be broken --- although at least CBS is using the old WBZ jingle again. I'm glad for that. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Anderson" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: WBZ Update >> The "SwooooshThrum" intro to Traffic on the Threes has been replaced >> with a lengthy Synth-styled stinger with a repeating fade. > > I like that intro but not necessarily for the traffic report. It is a > bit long. The "headlines" sounder at :18 and :48 sounds good though. > > And I wonder, why haven't they ever used an intro for the sports report? > > And doesn't the :00 and :30 voice sound a little formal? Who's the > voice? Maybe it's a bit jarring since I'm so familiar with the excellent > WINS :00, :20 and :40 sounders with almost the same "the newswatch never > stops" script. > > And I also wonder if they have a new "breaking news" sounder. > > The W-B-Z jingle is nicely used on all the new sounders and makes the > station sound consistent. As long as they don't bring back the "50,000 > watts of power" or the "free at last, free at last" or "he's OJ Simpson!" > intros. > > Paul > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 7 00:12:45 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:12:45 -0400 Subject: FW: RE: Say hello to WBZ-FM Message-ID: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> opps, had sent to Garrett instead of group adding info this time -0 the new WBZ-FM (as was WBMX ) on the FM 128 tower, 421827,711327 (NAD 27) with 9 kW ERP 349. m HAAT 393. m AMSL 363. m AGL and has a application for (same tower) 6kW ERP 199. m HAAT 243. m AMSL 213. m AGL anyone have thought of the app? > [Original Message] > From: Robert F. Sutherland > To: Garrett Wollman > Date: 8/6/2009 11:44:52 PM > Subject: RE: Say hello to WBZ-FM > > and, we can be sure iit will not change to > WMJX, as WBZ-FM 106.7 did many years ago. FM Query shows it became WMJX 8-17-81 > > I miss WBCN. > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 7 00:15:52 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:52 -0400 Subject: FW: RE: Say hello to WBZ-FM In-Reply-To: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19067.43640.529436.404634@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > opps, had sent to Garrett instead of group > adding info this time -0 > the new WBZ-FM (as was WBMX ) on the FM 128 tower, > 421827,711327 (NAD 27) > with 9 kW ERP 349. m HAAT 393. m AMSL 363. m AGL > and has a application for (same tower) > 6kW ERP 199. m HAAT 243. m AMSL 213. m AGL > anyone have thought of the app? What's the service class of the app? I bet it's a backup. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move to the CBS tower once the analog TV antennas and feedlines come down. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 7 00:29:42 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:29:42 -0500 Subject: FW: RE: Say hello to WBZ-FM In-Reply-To: <19067.43640.529436.404634@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> <19067.43640.529436.404634@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908062129m45e30c84qae83b6cbe07fb955@mail.gmail.com> The 6KW/199 meter App you see is an STA from October 2005 that got dismissed. paul Walker On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < madprof@ix.netcom.com> said: > > > opps, had sent to Garrett instead of group > > adding info this time -0 > > the new WBZ-FM (as was WBMX ) on the FM 128 tower, > > 421827,711327 (NAD 27) > > with 9 kW ERP 349. m HAAT 393. m AMSL 363. m AGL > > and has a application for (same tower) > > 6kW ERP 199. m HAAT 243. m AMSL 213. m AGL > > > anyone have thought of the app? > > What's the service class of the app? I bet it's a backup. I wouldn't > be surprised to see them move to the CBS tower once the analog TV > antennas and feedlines come down. > > -GAWollman > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Fri Aug 7 01:34:32 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:34:32 -0400 Subject: Say hello to WBZ-FM In-Reply-To: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <001501ca1720$bdd25170$3976f450$@alternate@gmail.com> It's a STA (Special Temporary Authority) filing for when they were having issues with the master antenna in 2005. And officially WBMX became WBZ-FM on 8/5/09. The HD still shows WBMX-FM, however the sub-channels are not there right now. When they move to 104.1, I will kiss the 80's channel goodbye here in East Providence as WBCN's HD does not come in here at all. --Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. Sutherland > >and has a application for (same tower) >6kW ERP 199. m HAAT 243. m AMSL 213. m AGL > >anyone have thought of the app? ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 08:26:11 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI format change Message-ID: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I noticed that WEEI has gone to shorter and more frequent breaks this week, and having the anchors identify the WEEI Sports Radio Network (rather than just the bumper) going to break. I guess someone woke up and realized that 10 minute breaks might lead to sampling 98.5. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 09:34:22 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've also heard rumors about Joe Castiglione retiring sometime in the next few years - would leaving Entercom hurry this up? I'm not sure if the announcers are employed by Entercom or by the Sox. Should the Sox take the radio broadcasts in-house would they go back to someone like Glen Geffner, or would they look for local talent? As for Neumie he's guest hosted at times in the past few years (depending on his schedule) so that's nothing new. Felger's leaving has caught them short during the vacation season. I do find it amazing that the Sox have never been on WBZ-AM. I have heard the story that part of the reason was Tom Yawkey didn't like the music on BZ. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 7 10:20:27 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:20:27 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> How many years were the Sox heard on the old WHDH? And which station carried them before that? I don't know the team's broadcast istory. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: WEEI format change > I've also heard rumors about Joe Castiglione retiring sometime in the next > few years - would leaving Entercom hurry this up? I'm not sure if the > announcers are employed by Entercom or by the Sox. Should the Sox take the > radio broadcasts in-house would they go back to someone like Glen Geffner, > or would they look for local talent? > > As for Neumie he's guest hosted at times in the past few years (depending > on his schedule) so that's nothing new. Felger's leaving has caught them > short during the vacation season. > > I do find it amazing that the Sox have never been on WBZ-AM. I have heard > the story that part of the reason was Tom Yawkey didn't like the music on > BZ. > > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 10:32:21 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> Message-ID: <880648.64966.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here's the list from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_Red_Sox_broadcasters#Radio From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 7 10:39:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:39:39 -0500 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770908070739m2ce46e6h4b5fc044debe7ef2@mail.gmail.com> Sox were on HDH from 1947 to the end of the 75 regular season when they moved to WMEX for the playoffs. Yawkey was angry they had switched to a soft Top 40 format and MEX agreed to switch to MOR and got the team. The team had been with WNAC or WAAB before then. Not sure when AAB moved to Worcester. http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Red_Sox_Broadcasters From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 7 10:47:42 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770908070747q36a06d79p53928a3676d4d67@mail.gmail.com> Red Sox used to start Wednesday night home games at 8:30 as HDH had to run the novena from the Mission Church to keep a very important listener happy, one Richard J Cushing. Even Wednesday night road games were moved to 8:30 at the request of Yawkey. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 7 10:48:11 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:48:11 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> <880648.64966.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61B99BA20CAA4D2C9C968352D5118DD4@DougDrown> John Shepard III, himself, did the play-by-play in 1930?? I'll bet that's an interesting story. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Carney To: Doug Drown ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: WEEI format change Here's the list from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_Red_Sox_broadcasters#Radio From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 7 11:03:26 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:03:26 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com><969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> <4fc429770908070739m2ce46e6h4b5fc044debe7ef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm quite sure that WAAB moved to Worcester in the 40s. It was probably 1943 but could have been earlier. '43 was when the FCC ruled out duopolies. That ruling resulted in the sale of many stations. But Sheppard did not want to give up the (by then) 1440 signal, so he moved it out of market. Donna Halper must know the exact date! WAAB moved so far out of market that a decade later (1954, I think), just-built WHIL, which had started life with 250W-D on 1540, but quickly discovered that its signal caused prohibited overlap with third-adhacent WMEX, threw itself on the FCC's mercy and asked the Commission to find it a new frequency. The new frequency was 1430--first adjacent to WAAB, which was already barely receivable within what is now Route 128--err, 95. In '54, 128 was either still a local road or had only recently opened as limited-access highway. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: WEEI format change > Sox were on HDH from 1947 to the end of the 75 regular season when > they moved to WMEX for the playoffs. Yawkey was angry they had > switched to a soft Top 40 format and MEX agreed to switch to MOR and > got the team. > > The team had been with WNAC or WAAB before then. Not sure when AAB > moved to Worcester. > > http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Red_Sox_Broadcasters From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 7 09:50:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:50:39 -0500 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908070650s3b9db14erd4a7e872cff0670b@mail.gmail.com> The reason the Sox are on WTIC goes back to Yawkey being able to hear the games in South Carolina. Yawkey was a huge fan of the inhouse band at WHDH (Ken and Bill?) and also loved WMEX before they went Top 40. Yawkey would stop in to hear John Kiley play the organ as he was the landlord of MEX. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 7 09:20:08 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:20:08 -0500 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> EEI is doing a lot of fence mending right now as for example Neumie guest hosting. The possible Big Show simulcast is being worked on and from what I have told it may launch when the Jimmy Fund telethon happens later this month. IF it happens EEI would use the Fenway studio instead of Guest St. I was also told by someone in the Sox front office that the Sox may walk away from Entercom after this season as they were late paying the Sox which gives the team an out. My source said don't be surprised to see the Sox on WBZ-AM in 2010 which might explain the call letter switch on the FM side. The team is exploring taking radio inhouse much like the Yankees deal where YES produces the games for WCBS. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 7 11:26:16 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:26:16 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> <4fc429770908070739m2ce46e6h4b5fc044debe7ef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090807152720.4D5341B400B@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 11:03 AM 8/7/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >I'm quite sure that WAAB moved to Worcester in the 40s. It was >probably 1943 but could have been earlier. '43 was when the FCC ruled >out duopolies. That ruling resulted in the sale of many stations. But >Sheppard did not want to give up the (by then) 1440 signal, so he >moved it out of market. Donna Halper must know the exact date! But of course. That's why you pay me the big bucks! WAAB was originally WLEX in Lexington, but the late great John Shepard III bought it and moved it to Boston in April 1931. The station finally moved to Worcester (Shepard had been trying to get a Worcester property since 1930, but the Federal Radio Commission kept turning him down) and WAAB went on the air officially as a Worcester station on 13 December 1942. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 7 11:28:47 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:28:47 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <61B99BA20CAA4D2C9C968352D5118DD4@DougDrown> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> <880648.64966.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <61B99BA20CAA4D2C9C968352D5118DD4@DougDrown> Message-ID: <20090807152946.E3DB71B40A5@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 10:48 AM 8/7/2009, Doug Drown wrote: >John Shepard III, himself, did the play-by-play in 1930?? I'll bet >that's an interesting story. Shepard had actually done some broadcasting as far back as 1923. He used his initials (JS), as was common in the early days (a leftover custom from ham radio) but every now and then he would get back on the air just for fun. He and Red Sox sportscaster Fred Hoey frequently got into disputes-- Fred had a drinking problem-- and this may have been one of the many times he either fired or suspended Hoey. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 11:35:40 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <20090807152946.E3DB71B40A5@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> <969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown> <880648.64966.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <61B99BA20CAA4D2C9C968352D5118DD4@DougDrown> <20090807152946.E3DB71B40A5@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <600483.7420.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Also interesting to note that Wiki has WHDH-TV as the TV outlet in 1957, which would be quite a feat since the station didn't go on until Thanksgiving of that year. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 7 13:59:11 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:59:11 -0500 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing Message-ID: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/08/07/cafe_break/ from today's Globe: There are some notable names missing in the four day look back at the history of the station and Charles Laquidara is having second thoughts as a result. Laquidara is quoted as saying they're not allowed to say Mark Parenteau's name even though "Mark?s one of the key figures". Parenteau was jailed in a child molestation case. Peter Wolf, Opie and Anthony, and Kiss 108's Matt Siegel will also be among the missing. But the Globe lists the many names that will take part. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 7 15:08:29 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:08:29 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com><969737.34022.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><3D613FF91C364164AE613EA0085A04AD@DougDrown><4fc429770908070739m2ce46e6h4b5fc044debe7ef2@mail.gmail.com> <20090807152720.4D5341B400B@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <512DBBE73F0D46038BC6B537E77A8D68@DougDrown> When did Shepard sell WAAB? Bernard Waterman owned it when I was in my teens, and I was under the impression that that had been the case for some time. I visited the studio on Mechanic Street once. It was a rather elegant place, and all the equipment looked right up-to-date. Waterman, I'm told, ran the station with an iron hand. I don't know anything about his background, but he was accustomed to barking orders and having everyone kowtow to him. Bud Sawyer, who has been in Portland for years, worked at WAAB in the early '60s. He told me once that when he went to audition for his job there, there were, if memory serves, something like 58 candidates. When Waterman interviewed Bud, he came across as quite intimidating, and told Bud that his first concern was that he be pleased with the job Bud did. Bud shook his head and said, "I'm sorry sir, but MY first concern is that the listening audience be pleased with the job I do." Waterman scowled and, after a momentary pause, looked at Bud and said, "You're hired." -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: WEEI format change > At 11:03 AM 8/7/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>I'm quite sure that WAAB moved to Worcester in the 40s. It was >>probably 1943 but could have been earlier. '43 was when the FCC ruled >>out duopolies. That ruling resulted in the sale of many stations. But >>Sheppard did not want to give up the (by then) 1440 signal, so he >>moved it out of market. Donna Halper must know the exact date! > > But of course. That's why you pay me the big bucks! WAAB was originally > WLEX in Lexington, but the late great John Shepard III bought it and moved > it to Boston in April 1931. The station finally moved to Worcester > (Shepard had been trying to get a Worcester property since 1930, but the > Federal Radio Commission kept turning him down) and WAAB went on the air > officially as a Worcester station on 13 December 1942. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Fri Aug 7 19:05:10 2009 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:05:10 -0400 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing In-Reply-To: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090807190330.02663e08@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:59 PM 8/7/2009, Bob Nelson wrote: >Peter Wolf, ... will also be among the missing. No Woofa Goofa? That is a major omission. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Aug 8 01:42:07 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:42:07 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <600483.7420.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <20090807152946.E3DB71B40A5@relay17.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>, <600483.7420.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7D102F.10057.79C127@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Aug 2009 at 8:35, Maureen Carney wrote: > Also interesting to note that Wiki has WHDH-TV as the TV outlet in > 1957, which would be quite a feat since the station didn't go on until > Thanksgiving of that year. Actually Tuesday night before Thanksgiving. But even in November, they heavily promoted the fact that WHDH-TV would carry the Red Sox games. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Aug 8 01:42:05 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:42:05 -0400 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing In-Reply-To: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A7D102D.13197.79B9FE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Aug 2009 at 12:59, Bob Nelson wrote: > http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/08/07/cafe_break/ > > from today's Globe: There are some notable names missing in the four > day look back at the history of the station and Charles Laquidara is > having second thoughts as a result. Laquidara is quoted as saying > they're not allowed to say Mark Parenteau's name even though "Mark?s > one of the key figures". Parenteau was jailed in a child molestation > case. Peter Wolf, Opie and Anthony, and Kiss 108's Matt Siegel will > also be among the missing. But the Globe lists the many names that > will take part. And no mention at all of WBCN's origins as a classical music station, I suspect. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Aug 8 02:42:51 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:42:51 -0500 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing In-Reply-To: <4A7D102D.13197.79B9FE@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090807175912.0BDF2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <4A7D102D.13197.79B9FE@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908072342y4e8d176bqe8c2a300e4425f87@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if anybody tried to track down Uncle T as it was his show at WTBS that convinced Hastings rock might work on FM Tommy Hadges as well. From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Aug 8 02:23:25 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:23:25 -0400 Subject: WEEI format change In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> References: <695868.69689.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770908070620w4be3ec9ajc6e763911eb24411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dumb!!!! The Sox don't need to be on 1030. The big stick isn't necessary. They already are on an extensive network of stations around New England and beyond. Even if Entercom stopped running the Sox in Providence, Springfield and Worcester, the team could easily find alternate affiliates. I'm sure WCRN would continue on in Worcester, for example. The Sox games would most likely continue on several WEEI network stations not owned by Entercom. Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth over at the sneaker building. They don't need the big signal the way the Bruins do. BTW, the B's will have to assemble a network quickly, as 98.5 only gets out so far. Out of region fans used to getting the games on 1030's skywave are going to be SOL. If the Sox were to go to CBS, put the games on 98.5. That would stick a dagger right through the heart of WEEI. The Sports Hub would also have three of the four major sports play-by-play contracts. Use 1030 for conflicts, or put the overflow on WODS or WZLX if needed. Just as the Sox prop up WRKO, it would be the extra ratings push 98.5 may need to surpass WEEI. -Dave Tomm On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > I was also told by someone in the Sox front office that the Sox may > walk away from Entercom after this season as they were late paying the > Sox which gives the team an out. > My source said don't be surprised to see the Sox on WBZ-AM in 2010 > which might explain the call letter switch on the FM side. The team is > exploring taking radio in house much like the Yankees deal where YES > produces the games for WCBS. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Aug 8 03:32:38 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:32:38 -0500 Subject: as if Entercom didnt have enough problems Message-ID: <4fc429770908080032h5e60bb14o41e445b8afbac6c9@mail.gmail.com> Entercom is not having a good week as the Secret Service shows up after a threat was made against Obama by someone on the AAF morning show. Not a great way to make friends in DC http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20090808secret_service_spaz-zes_over_radio_comment/srvc=home&position=5 From scott@fybush.com Sun Aug 9 10:37:52 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:37:52 -0400 Subject: Who's airchecking the WBCN farewell? Message-ID: <4A7EDF40.3080307@fybush.com> I'm on the other side of the country and won't be back east until later this month...is anyone on the list airchecking WBCN's final days and the switchover? s From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 8 13:55:32 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:55:32 -0500 Subject: Drudge Headline Saturday (08/08) Message-ID: <20090808175532.117D611581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> The most prominent headline in this afternoon's "Drudge Report" (Saturday, August 8th): RESISTORS ON TRIAL IN IRAN The results may be printed in the EE Times any day now. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! From bob.bosra@demattia.net Sun Aug 9 12:36:38 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:36:38 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps I missed this on the BRI discussions. ?The WBCN website declares "The Rock of Boston Moves to 98.5-2FM on August 13". So this means 'WBCN' programming will continue on the HD2 channel? Clever, since on most radios you have to stumble across the HD1 channel to get to the HD2. ?Since the target audience is similar for both formats. - Bob From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Aug 9 13:13:17 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:13:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ-FM logo Message-ID: <4fc429770908091013g3ca80374ke33f14d6b78f978e@mail.gmail.com> First look at WBZ-FM logo (Yawn) I am very curious on what they will do overnight. Reruns of Felger? Simulcast of WFAN? Local live? Anybody know who the PD is? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Wbzfm.jpg From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Aug 9 13:46:05 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:46:05 -0400 Subject: Who's airchecking the WBCN farewell? In-Reply-To: <4A7EDF40.3080307@fybush.com> References: <4A7EDF40.3080307@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002f01ca1919$456f4f80$d04dee80$@net> > I'm on the other side of the country and won't be back east until later > this month...is anyone on the list airchecking WBCN's final days and > the > switchover? I've been recording everything since 9:45 yesterday morning (with the exception of about 12:30-8 AM this morning). When everything's all done, I should be able to put the MP3s on a DVD. I'm encoding them at 192K. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Aug 9 16:16:45 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:16:45 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> IIRC, there will be a jockless, automated version of "WBCN" on 98.5's HD2 channel. You may hear old audio of jocks interviewing artists during in-studio performances from the archives occasionally, but that's about it. WBZ-AM will be on 98.5's HD3 channel. Meanwhile, WBMX will be on 104.1 HD1, and their all 80's channel, currently on 98.5 HD2, will also make the move to 104.1. I forget what will be on 104.1 HD3. -Dave Tomm On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Perhaps I missed this on the BRI discussions. The WBCN website > declares > "The Rock of Boston Moves to 98.5-2FM on August 13". > So this means 'WBCN' programming will continue on the HD2 channel? > Clever, since on most radios you have to stumble across the HD1 > channel > to get to the HD2. Since the target audience is similar for both > formats. > - Bob From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 9 16:30:13 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:30:13 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> References: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> Message-ID: <19071.12757.524785.193864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Meanwhile, WBMX will be on 104.1 HD1, and their all 80's channel, > currently on 98.5 HD2, will also make the move to 104.1. I forget > what will be on 104.1 HD3. I've been assuming that they'll move "the psychic network" over from 98.5. Unfortunately, the bandwidth allocated to HD3s usually isn't good enough for music, so "Freeform 104" is likely to be toast. My ability to get 104.1's HD here in Framingham is inconsistent. Some days it's bang! right there, but other times my tuner (Sony XDR-F1HD) starts to decode the HD1 audio, then drops out almost immediately, and never gets lock again -- and this with the antenna in an east-facing second-floor window. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 9 16:34:52 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:34:52 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4A7F32EC.28013.3A85EE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Aug 2009 at 12:36, Bob DeMattia wrote: > Perhaps I missed this on the BRI discussions. ?The WBCN website > declares "The Rock of Boston Moves to 98.5-2FM on August 13". So this > means 'WBCN' programming will continue on the HD2 channel? Clever, > since on most radios you have to stumble across the HD1 channel to get > to the HD2. ?Since the target audience is similar for both formats. - > Bob That would seem to provide a good reason to put WBCN programming on 98.5 HD2 instead of 104.1 HD2. Since 98.5 will be sports, anyone looking for "WBCN" won't be tempted to stay around or mistake WBZ-FM for WBCN. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 9 19:18:27 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:18:27 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> References: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> Message-ID: <0KO400EM7U2WDO40@asmtp019.mac.com> At 04:16 PM 8/9/2009, Dave Tomm wrote : >IIRC, there will be a jockless, automated version of "WBCN" on 98.5's >HD2 channel. I suspect this will be the same stream they are running in New York that's meant to be a resurected WNEW-FM? Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone (Moravia), NY Wobegone is a state of mind! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Aug 9 19:22:35 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM HD2 In-Reply-To: <0KO400EM7U2WDO40@asmtp019.mac.com> References: <3E9A3F3F-342E-4A8D-A7E4-D787692EE2CB@charter.net> <0KO400EM7U2WDO40@asmtp019.mac.com> Message-ID: <004c01ca1948$4797f080$d6c7d180$@net> > >IIRC, there will be a jockless, automated version of "WBCN" on 98.5's > >HD2 channel. > > I suspect this will be the same stream they are running in New York > that's meant to be a resurected WNEW-FM? Probably not. That WNEW stream/HD2 includes a lot of interviews by WNEW DJs. WBCN's will probably be similar, with a lot of the interviews/performances that have been heard this weekend. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From eli@sherer.us Mon Aug 10 07:45:31 2009 From: eli@sherer.us (Eli Sherer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:45:31 -0400 Subject: Who's airchecking the WBCN farewell? Message-ID: <1d53c350908100445m546961bcnb171b80997d0d184@mail.gmail.com> Scott and others, There is has been expressed some interest from some of the participants to have these airchecks (I know there's been at least one response already.. just want to keep the subject alive). If we can get a hold of the files, I'm pretty sure I can find an online home for them. There are already a few options out there for posterity sake. -Eli "Wicked High" Sherer > From: Scott Fybush > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" < > boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org> > Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:37:52 -0400 > Subject: Who's airchecking the WBCN farewell? > I'm on the other side of the country and won't be back east until later > this month...is anyone on the list airchecking WBCN's final days and the > switchover? > -- -Eli From sonnydaye1@gmail.com Mon Aug 10 13:17:28 2009 From: sonnydaye1@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:17:28 -0400 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing Message-ID: Speaking of "notable names missing" - Anyone know whatever happened to Jeff "Jelly Roll" Baker? He was at 'BCN around '68, maybe into '69. Haven't heard anything about him in 40 years. ================================================================== From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" < boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:59:11 -0500 Subject: Globe: WBCN look back has some names missing http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/08/07/cafe_break/ from today's Globe: There are some notable names missing in the four day look back at the history of the station and Charles Laquidara is having second thoughts as a result. Laquidara is quoted as saying they're not allowed to say Mark Parenteau's name even though "Mark?s one of the key figures". Parenteau was jailed in a child molestation case. Peter Wolf, Opie and Anthony, and Kiss 108's Matt Siegel will also be among the missing. But the Globe lists the many names that will take part. From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Mon Aug 10 11:20:35 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:20:35 -0400 Subject: Say hello to WBZ-FM In-Reply-To: <001501ca1720$bdd25170$3976f450$@alternate@gmail.com> References: <380-2200985741245484@ix.netcom.com> <001501ca1720$bdd25170$3976f450$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301ca19ce$1bd93ea0$538bbbe0$@alternate@gmail.com> The WBMX HD signal now is just displayed as MIX-FM. FWIW. --Mike ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From n1wbd@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 10 12:50:27 2009 From: n1wbd@peoplepc.com (Bob Hale) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:50:27 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... Message-ID: <2C9FE84FA4724F3E95455AC6C80258B4@bobdbll7jyc68f> Does anyone remember WAV-TV ch 33 (I believe)? They ran a "video jukebox" service where you called a 900 number and you could play 3 or 4 music videos for a buck or so? Alot of the time all you saw was a playlist to choose from and the occasional commercial and not a whole lot of videos being played. I was wondering whatever happened to them? Did they try to change programming before going dark? Were they a LP station etc? I could'nt find any info on them on the web or on the UHF Morgue. Thanks Bob N1WBD Grafton NH From scott@fybush.com Mon Aug 10 14:28:39 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:28:39 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <2C9FE84FA4724F3E95455AC6C80258B4@bobdbll7jyc68f> References: <2C9FE84FA4724F3E95455AC6C80258B4@bobdbll7jyc68f> Message-ID: <4A8066D7.2020600@fybush.com> Bob Hale wrote: > Does anyone remember WAV-TV ch 33 (I believe)? They ran a "video > jukebox" service where you called a 900 number and you could play 3 or 4 > music videos for a buck or so? Alot of the time all you saw was a > playlist to choose from and the occasional commercial and not a whole > lot of videos being played. > > I was wondering whatever happened to them? Did they try to change > programming before going dark? Were they a LP station etc? > I could'nt find any info on them on the web or on the UHF Morgue. That was W33AV, and it was an LPTV affiliate of "The Box." We had one of those in Rochester, too - WBXO-LP 15, since relocated to channel 36. MTV bought The Box to kill off the competition, and while some of those LPTVs became MTV2 or MTVTres outlets, most got sold off eventually. W33AV ultimately became W40BO, which is owned by Pax and operating (if it's really on the air?) from the FM128 tower on channel 40. It was granted a CP in June to flash-cut to digital on 40. s From ncn86@hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 17:51:44 2009 From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:44 -0400 Subject: BCN and BMX Message-ID: Ok, heres the deal so far with the wild transistion.. As of yesterday, WBCN and WBMX are no longer broadcasting any HD subchannels (only HD1). WBMX no longer states its call letters on the screen of my HD radio, it simply says MIX-FM instead of WBMX-FM. Free Form 104 is now broadcasting on WZLX HD3, as Free Form BCN. So now the question is, will Free Form BCN move back to WBZ-FM HD2 when it arrives as originally thought, or will it stay on WZLX HD3? And, has Mix 98.5 changed its call letters, ever so quietly, but is not yet stating them on the rss display untill the format switch is made? And does anyone know excatly when WBCN will switch to Mix and Mix will switch to sports (an exact hour of the day?)? I would like to record, but all i have is cassette tapes and I cant be recording everything up to that. -nick n merrimack nh _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Aug 10 18:05:44 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:05:44 -0400 Subject: BCN and BMX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The rock of Boston WBCN" is going on 98.5 HD2. "Freeform BCN" is staying on 100.7 HD3. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote: > > Ok, heres the deal so far with the wild transistion.. > As of yesterday, WBCN and WBMX are no longer broadcasting any HD > subchannels (only HD1). WBMX no longer states its call letters on > the screen of my HD radio, it simply says MIX-FM instead of WBMX-FM. > Free Form 104 is now broadcasting on WZLX HD3, as Free Form BCN. So > now the question is, will Free Form BCN move back to WBZ-FM HD2 when > it arrives as originally thought, or will it stay on WZLX HD3? And, > has Mix 98.5 changed its call letters, ever so quietly, but is not > yet stating them on the rss display untill the format switch is > made? And does anyone know excatly when WBCN will switch to Mix and > Mix will switch to sports (an exact hour of the day?)? I would like > to record, but all i have is cassette tapes and I cant be recording > everything up to that. > -nick n > merrimack nh > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 20:06:35 2009 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BCN and BMX Message-ID: <416367.12144.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -----On Mon, 8/10/09, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote: >And does anyone know > excatly when WBCN will switch to Mix and Mix will switch to > sports (an exact hour of the day?)? WBCN is saying its last day is tomorrow, Tuesday. MIX is promoting its first day on 104.1 as Wednesday. The sports station is being promoted as launching on Thursday -- day of the first Patriots' pre-season game. I'm guessing that on Wednesday 98.5 will carry a loop sending listeners to 104.1? As for exactly when any of this happens, sorry, can't help. First thing would be to roll on WBZ-FM (which they have been using as their legal ID since sometime last week) and WBCN tomorrow night until MIX moves on up. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 20:51:23 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <4A8066D7.2020600@fybush.com> Message-ID: <610180.76108.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Originally, Channel 33 (W33AV) was a CP for W54AT, Brockton, MA. It was owned by Boston Catholic Television, but never made it to the air. It was sold and moved to Gloucester as W33AV ("The BOX"). W33AV was briefly WRAP-LP, due to the over-abundance of rap videos at the time on the channel. The station went silent for a while and returned to the air in 1996 from the old WHDH-TV (FM-128) tower as W54CN, a repeater for WPXB-TV (Channel 60) Merrimack, NH. Eventually, the //WPXB-TV was discontinued. Eventually it moved to Channel 40 as W40BO. But the signal was pitiful due to many antenna issues. After many years of "on-air" and "off-air" operation, the signal was restored and has been a repeater of WBPX for many years. The reason for having W40BO on the air as a repeater of WBPX? Beats me. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > From: Scott Fybush > Subject: Re: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... > To: "Bob Hale" > Cc: "Boston Radio TV list" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:28 PM > Bob Hale wrote: > > Does anyone remember WAV-TV ch 33 (I believe)? They > ran a "video jukebox" service where you called a 900 number > and you could play 3 or 4 music videos for a buck or so? > Alot of the time all you saw was a playlist to choose from > and the occasional commercial and not a whole lot of videos > being played. > > > > I was wondering whatever happened to them? Did they > try to change programming before going dark? Were they a LP > station etc? > > I could'nt find any info on them on the web or on the > UHF Morgue. > > That was W33AV, and it was an LPTV affiliate of "The Box." > We had one of those in Rochester, too - WBXO-LP 15, since > relocated to channel 36. MTV bought The Box to kill off the > competition, and while some of those LPTVs became MTV2 or > MTVTres outlets, most got sold off eventually. > > W33AV ultimately became W40BO, which is owned by Pax and > operating (if it's really on the air?) from the FM128 tower > on channel 40. It was granted a CP in June to flash-cut to > digital on 40. > > s > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Mon Aug 10 19:02:51 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:02:51 -0400 Subject: BCN and BMX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big switch is August 13th at 6am, at least that's what they are saying On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > "The rock of Boston WBCN" is going on 98.5 HD2. "Freeform BCN" is staying on > 100.7 HD3. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > > > On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote: > >> >> Ok, heres the deal so far with the wild transistion.. >> As of yesterday, WBCN and WBMX are no longer broadcasting any HD >> subchannels (only HD1). WBMX no longer states its call letters on the screen >> of my HD radio, it simply says MIX-FM instead of WBMX-FM. Free Form 104 is >> now broadcasting on WZLX HD3, as Free Form BCN. So now the question is, will >> Free Form BCN move back to WBZ-FM HD2 when it arrives as originally thought, >> or will it stay on WZLX HD3? And, has ?Mix 98.5 changed its call letters, >> ever so quietly, but is not yet stating them on the rss display untill the >> format switch is made? ?And does anyone know excatly when WBCN will switch >> to Mix and Mix will switch to sports (an exact hour of the day?)? ?I would >> like to record, but all i have is cassette tapes and I cant be recording >> everything up to that. >> -nick n >> merrimack nh >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > From n1wbd@peoplepc.com Mon Aug 10 23:35:59 2009 From: n1wbd@peoplepc.com (Bob Hale) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:35:59 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... Message-ID: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> Thanks for the info Peter. I always wondered about them. Maybe you or someone on the list could tell me what killed the over the air subscription tv services Starcase (WQTV 68) and Preview (WSMW 27) I believe that piracy was a real problem for them at the time but never could find the "rest of the story" Here's a trip down memory lane how many remember being able to subscribe to HBO via terrestial microwave in the Metro Boston area. I could never order the service when I lived in SE NH. Did they outlast 68 or 27 as a subscription service?? One final note of interest I remember back when WSTG ch 64 in RI was supposedly going to go on the air as a over the air subscription service but never did go thru with it. Instead they ended up airing Wally Gator cartoons for about 2 to 3 hrs a nite then sign off I remember them claiming for the longest time they were doing transmitter testing. Please correct if my memory is failing. :-) Bob N1WBD Grafton,NH From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Tue Aug 11 08:09:39 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:09:39 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio Message-ID: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> This morning's Augusta (Maine) Kennebec Journal and Waterville Morning Sentinel contain an interesting column (http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/columns/6713811.html) on the story of the late John Fox, onetime owner of The Boston Post. Fox was a longtime resident, first part-time and later full-time, of the little town of Phillips, Maine. Farmington attorney Paul Mills, who wrote the column, says that Fox, in addition to owning the Post, also owned a Boston radio station. He doesn't identity it. I hadn't known that the Post was ever co-owned with a broadcasting outlet. Donna . . . what can you tell us? -Doug From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 11 09:40:51 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:40:51 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio In-Reply-To: <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <20090811134207.531E31CF86B@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:11 AM 8/11/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >As you said, Donna will have the definitive word. However, I tried >googling "Boston Post" radio station and got many hits, most of which >were of no use. One, however (probably written by Donna), discussed >some sort of connection between the Post and WLEX, a distant forbear >of today's WWZN. It does not appear that the Post had any financial >stake in WLEX. but some Post writers may have worked there. They also >wrote columns about the station and programs heard on it. The Boston Post very temporarily owned WCOP in 1954, and yes they were involved with greater Boston's first TV station, W1XAY. More on this later-- I'm off to a meeting. 8-) From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 11 09:11:51 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:11:51 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> Message-ID: <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> As you said, Donna will have the definitive word. However, I tried googling "Boston Post" radio station and got many hits, most of which were of no use. One, however (probably written by Donna), discussed some sort of connection between the Post and WLEX, a distant forbear of today's WWZN. It does not appear that the Post had any financial stake in WLEX. but some Post writers may have worked there. They also wrote columns about the station and programs heard on it. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio This morning's Augusta (Maine) Kennebec Journal and Waterville Morning Sentinel contain an interesting column (http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/columns/6713811.html) on the story of the late John Fox, onetime owner of The Boston Post. Fox was a longtime resident, first part-time and later full-time, of the little town of Phillips, Maine. Farmington attorney Paul Mills, who wrote the column, says that Fox, in addition to owning the Post, also owned a Boston radio station. He doesn't identity it. I hadn't known that the Post was ever co-owned with a broadcasting outlet. Donna . . . what can you tell us? -Doug From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Tue Aug 11 12:05:41 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:05:41 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <610180.76108.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4A8066D7.2020600@fybush.com> <610180.76108.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca1a9d$931adf80$b9509e80$@alternate@gmail.com> When they flash cut to digital 40, it will make even less sense as WBPX-DT is on the same tower. Although WBPX-DT has a application to move to the AT Candelabra in WSBK's old place, the simulcast still makes little sense. --Mike -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Peter Q. George Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 20:51 To: Bob Hale; Scott Fybush Cc: Boston Radio TV list Subject: Re: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... >The reason for having W40BO on the air as a repeater of WBPX? Beats me. > W33AV ultimately became W40BO, which is owned by Pax and > operating (if it's really on the air?) from the FM128 tower > on channel 40. It was granted a CP in June to flash-cut to > digital on 40. ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Aug 11 13:39:50 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:39:50 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown><59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> <20090811134207.531E31CF86B@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <9A268D54DD494F3B84616C102A50BB0C@teddesktop> Here is are fascinating bits of info on Boston's first TV station, W1XAY and it mentions Donna. Perhaps she wrote it. Does anyone know if the Boston Post mention is correct? "With 48 lines of res. and 18 fps," it must have been viewed with homemade sets with tiny screens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W1XAY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Doug Drown" ; "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: The Boston Post and Boston radio > At 09:11 AM 8/11/2009, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >>As you said, Donna will have the definitive word. However, I tried >>googling "Boston Post" radio station and got many hits, most of which >>were of no use. One, however (probably written by Donna), discussed >>some sort of connection between the Post and WLEX, a distant forbear >>of today's WWZN. It does not appear that the Post had any financial >>stake in WLEX. but some Post writers may have worked there. They also >>wrote columns about the station and programs heard on it. > > The Boston Post very temporarily owned WCOP in 1954, and yes they were > involved with greater Boston's first TV station, W1XAY. More on this > later-- I'm off to a meeting. 8-) > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 11 15:00:01 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio In-Reply-To: <9A268D54DD494F3B84616C102A50BB0C@teddesktop> References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> <20090811134207.531E31CF86B@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <9A268D54DD494F3B84616C102A50BB0C@teddesktop> Message-ID: <20090811190112.C0E361B401A@relay27.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 01:39 PM 8/11/2009, Ted Larsen wrote: >Here is are fascinating bits of info on Boston's first TV station, >W1XAY and it mentions Donna. >Perhaps she wrote it. Does anyone know if the Boston Post mention is >correct? "With 48 lines of res. and 18 fps," it must have been >viewed with homemade sets with tiny screens. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W1XAY Ah yes, wikipedia basically stealing my stuff and not even saying thank you. Here's the article I wrote about W1XAY and it's quite thorough. (And yes, 1928 TV was very experimental and the picture quality would indeed have been awful. That is why many critics saw no future in it at that time-- GE was also experimenting with TV and their first broadcast was so bad the critics complained it was unwatchable...http://www.tvhistory.tv/W1XAY.htm From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Aug 11 14:59:53 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:53 -0500 Subject: Trupiano to BZ-FM Message-ID: <4fc429770908111159y270de7f9h367ea241bd563de5@mail.gmail.com> It was just announced on BCN that Hardy will co-host a Saturday show on BZ-FM with Jerry Trupiano Anyhow if today is BCN's last day of rock and BZ-FM doesn't start until Thursday what happens tomorrow? Will WBMX be on both 98.5 and 104.1? From jscavo@maine.rr.com Tue Aug 11 14:36:30 2009 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (John) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:36:30 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <2C9FE84FA4724F3E95455AC6C80258B4@bobdbll7jyc68f> References: <2C9FE84FA4724F3E95455AC6C80258B4@bobdbll7jyc68f> Message-ID: Wow, I remember them, we used to watch them in East Boston with our roof antenna. The signal was not great, but very watchable. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hale [mailto:n1wbd@peoplepc.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM To: Boston Radio TV list Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... Does anyone remember WAV-TV ch 33 (I believe)? They ran a "video jukebox" service where you called a 900 number and you could play 3 or 4 music videos for a buck or so? Alot of the time all you saw was a playlist to choose from and the occasional commercial and not a whole lot of videos being played. I was wondering whatever happened to them? Did they try to change programming before going dark? Were they a LP station etc? I could'nt find any info on them on the web or on the UHF Morgue. Thanks Bob N1WBD Grafton NH From phylo1@yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 14:38:17 2009 From: phylo1@yahoo.com (Phyllis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBCN's last days Message-ID: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone been listening over the last couple of days? I've been recording some of it via their web stream. The stories and nostalgia and music, if you listened back pre-90's, I'd say, has brought back a lot of memories, of DJs and bands I'd almost forgotten about. I've heard interviews with Billy West and Tom Sandman, Ken Shelton, Jerry Goodwin(the Duke of Madness). Oedipus did a show last night, played some great music and great stories. Charles L. was on yesterday afternoon, being as strange as always. His shtick was that he wanted to read a very long list of people he worked with, to say thank you. I also heard an interesting interview with Jonathan Kraft. Tami Heidi is due to be on this evening around 8 PM. I hope to be listening for the last couple of hours 10-12 when Bradley J is supposed to be shutting it down for the last time. I admit that "My" station back in the heyday of punk and new wave was 101.7 - funny how hard they struggled and now they are the survivors. I don't listen much anymore, but ocasionally some new music squeaks through that I actually like. Many of my friends who've moved out of the area are surprised and sorry to hear about BCN. We think things will never change, but of course they do. Internet radio, HD radio, XM radio, radio apps on the itouch (which I love!) have all changed the landscape of radio as we knew it. I'm only 50, but I wax nostalgic just the same... This video of Oedipus with Emily Rooney may interest you. http://www.beatthepress.org/blog/ralph-ranalli/389 RIP The Rock of Boston, Phyllis WCUW 91.3 Worcester "Shirim" Sunday nights 8-10 PM From jscavo@maine.rr.com Tue Aug 11 14:40:02 2009 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (John) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:40:02 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> References: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> Message-ID: <0489F5ECC0E64764A90989FBDB160562@vpr1> ...and there was Preview on Channel 27, which we had and enjoyed much better than 68's, I forget the name of their package. John -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hale [mailto:n1wbd@peoplepc.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:36 PM To: Boston Radio TV list Subject: Re: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... Thanks for the info Peter. I always wondered about them. Maybe you or someone on the list could tell me what killed the over the air subscription tv services Starcase (WQTV 68) and Preview (WSMW 27) I believe that piracy was a real problem for them at the time but never could find the "rest of the story" Here's a trip down memory lane how many remember being able to subscribe to HBO via terrestial microwave in the Metro Boston area. I could never order the service when I lived in SE NH. Did they outlast 68 or 27 as a subscription service?? One final note of interest I remember back when WSTG ch 64 in RI was supposedly going to go on the air as a over the air subscription service but never did go thru with it. Instead they ended up airing Wally Gator cartoons for about 2 to 3 hrs a nite then sign off I remember them claiming for the longest time they were doing transmitter testing. Please correct if my memory is failing. :-) Bob N1WBD Grafton,NH From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Aug 11 15:42:23 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:42:23 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio In-Reply-To: <20090811190112.C0E361B401A@relay27.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> <20090811134207.531E31CF86B@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <9A268D54DD494F3B84616C102A50BB0C@teddesktop> <20090811190112.C0E361B401A@relay27.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4A81C99F.9040509@gabrielmass.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 01:39 PM 8/11/2009, Ted Larsen wrote: >> Here is are fascinating bits of info on Boston's first TV station, >> W1XAY and it mentions Donna. >> Perhaps she wrote it. Does anyone know if the Boston Post mention is >> correct? "With 48 lines of res. and 18 fps," it must have been viewed >> with homemade sets with tiny screens. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W1XAY > > Ah yes, wikipedia basically stealing my stuff and not even saying thank > you. People like to badmouth Wikipedia, but there's nothing really wrong about their little stub article. It's four sentences long, does not copy your text, and presents a link to your extensive article. It's promotion for your work. --RC ("Shoppin' online for deals on some writable media. I edit Wikipedia..." -- Al Yankovic, "White and Nerdy") From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Tue Aug 11 15:52:45 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:52:45 -0400 Subject: Fw: The Boston Post and Boston radio Message-ID: <99C7CD51FF3E42919C692080D60B9F6C@teddesktop> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larsen" To: "Donna Halper" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: The Boston Post and Boston radio > Thanks Donna: I'll check it out later today. When I was a kid I had the > fun of rebuilding a 1948 Motorola 6" TV that I found on a sidewalk. It was > like watching a show on an oscilloscope, but lots of fun for a nerdy kid. > > t > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Halper" > To: "Ted Larsen" ; "Dan.Strassberg" > ; "Doug Drown" ; "Boston > Radio Interest Board" > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: The Boston Post and Boston radio > > >> At 01:39 PM 8/11/2009, Ted Larsen wrote: >>>Here is are fascinating bits of info on Boston's first TV station, W1XAY >>>and it mentions Donna. >>>Perhaps she wrote it. Does anyone know if the Boston Post mention is >>>correct? "With 48 lines of res. and 18 fps," it must have been viewed >>>with homemade sets with tiny screens. >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W1XAY >> >> Ah yes, wikipedia basically stealing my stuff and not even saying thank >> you. Here's the article I wrote about W1XAY and it's quite thorough. >> (And yes, 1928 TV was very experimental and the picture quality would >> indeed have been awful. That is why many critics saw no future in it at >> that time-- GE was also experimenting with TV and their first broadcast >> was so bad the critics complained it was >> unwatchable...http://www.tvhistory.tv/W1XAY.htm > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 11 15:51:36 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: The Boston Post and Boston radio In-Reply-To: <4A81C99F.9040509@gabrielmass.com> References: <6D47D170DEE245FA84340B13FAFF4982@DougDrown> <59157A53AF244D53AC061D0F89FB0A1C@SatU205S5044> <20090811134207.531E31CF86B@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <9A268D54DD494F3B84616C102A50BB0C@teddesktop> <20090811190112.C0E361B401A@relay27.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <4A81C99F.9040509@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20090811195247.F03221B4009@relay23.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Richard said-- > >People like to badmouth Wikipedia, but there's nothing really wrong >about their little stub article. It's four sentences long, does not >copy your text, and presents a link to your extensive >article. It's promotion for your work. Umm, I wasn't badmouthing them. When they first put that up there, way back when, it had no link and basically copied what I wrote. I talked to several people about it, and then added in a link, which I am pleased to see has survived. I just dislike the policy of many sites where people think they can lift passages and not attribute it-- and no, I was not just referring to wikipedia. Online "borrowing" without attribution is a problem for many sites. From atolz@comcast.net Tue Aug 11 16:00:50 2009 From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:00:50 -0400 Subject: WBCN's last days References: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A116A7B41314F82AD47DC6BC2DC2FD3@mediacenter> There have been more "driveway moments" over the past 72 hours on WBCN then there have been in the past 10 years of radio all over the Boston dial. It is both heartening and very sad to listen to what radio USED to be...when shows were a reflection of the talent that was on the air. They paced the show...they picked their own music...they spoke with us and to us in a way that made us loyal to their show and to the station on which they operated. By and large, it's all gone now. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis" To: "Boston Radio List" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: WBCN's last days > Has anyone been listening over the last couple of days? I've been > recording some of it via their web stream. > > The stories and nostalgia and music, if you listened back pre-90's, I'd > say, has brought back a lot of memories, of DJs and bands I'd almost > forgotten about. I've heard interviews with Billy West and Tom Sandman, > Ken Shelton, Jerry Goodwin(the Duke of Madness). Oedipus did a show last > night, played some great music and great stories. Charles L. was on > yesterday afternoon, being as strange as always. His shtick was that he > wanted to read a very long list of people he worked with, to say thank > you. I also heard an interesting interview with Jonathan Kraft. > > Tami Heidi is due to be on this evening around 8 PM. I hope to be > listening for the last couple of hours 10-12 when Bradley J is supposed to > be shutting it down for the last time. > > I admit that "My" station back in the heyday of punk and new wave was > 101.7 - funny how hard they struggled and now they are the survivors. I > don't listen much anymore, but ocasionally some new music squeaks through > that I actually like. > > > Many of my friends who've moved out of the area are surprised and sorry to > hear about BCN. We think things will never change, but of course they do. > Internet radio, HD radio, XM radio, radio apps on the itouch (which I > love!) have all changed the landscape of radio as we knew it. I'm only > 50, but I wax nostalgic just the same... > > This video of Oedipus with Emily Rooney may interest you. > http://www.beatthepress.org/blog/ralph-ranalli/389 > > RIP The Rock of Boston, > > Phyllis > WCUW 91.3 Worcester > "Shirim" Sunday nights 8-10 PM > > > > > > From lspin@comcast.net Tue Aug 11 16:14:17 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:14:17 -0400 Subject: WBCN's last days In-Reply-To: <6A116A7B41314F82AD47DC6BC2DC2FD3@mediacenter> References: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A116A7B41314F82AD47DC6BC2DC2FD3@mediacenter> Message-ID: <009601ca1ac0$4e1914b0$ea4b3e10$@net> Nicely said. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Alan Tolz Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:01 PM To: Phyllis; Boston Radio List Subject: Re: WBCN's last days There have been more "driveway moments" over the past 72 hours on WBCN then there have been in the past 10 years of radio all over the Boston dial. It is both heartening and very sad to listen to what radio USED to be...when shows were a reflection of the talent that was on the air. They paced the show...they picked their own music...they spoke with us and to us in a way that made us loyal to their show and to the station on which they operated. By and large, it's all gone now. Alan From paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net Tue Aug 11 16:01:37 2009 From: paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net (Paul Bacchiocchi) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:01:37 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: <0489F5ECC0E64764A90989FBDB160562@vpr1> References: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> <0489F5ECC0E64764A90989FBDB160562@vpr1> Message-ID: The Channel 68 package was called "Starcase" Actually built a converter for that one, because they wouldn't do an installation at my parent's house where we had the regular TV antenna on a 20' mast Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "'Bob Hale'" ; "'Boston Radio TV list'" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: RE: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... > ...and there was Preview on Channel 27, which we had and enjoyed much > better > than 68's, I forget the name of their package. > > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Hale [mailto:n1wbd@peoplepc.com] > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:36 PM > To: Boston Radio TV list > Subject: Re: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... > > Thanks for the info Peter. I always wondered about them. > Maybe you or someone on the list could tell me what killed the over the > air > subscription tv services Starcase (WQTV 68) and Preview (WSMW 27) I > believe > that piracy was a real problem for them at the time but never could find > the > "rest of the story" > > Here's a trip down memory lane how many remember being able to subscribe > to > HBO via terrestial microwave in the Metro Boston area. I could never > order > the service when I lived in SE NH. Did they outlast 68 or 27 as a > subscription service?? > > One final note of interest I remember back when WSTG ch 64 in RI was > supposedly going to go on the air as a over the air subscription service > but > never did go thru with it. Instead they ended up airing Wally Gator > cartoons > for about 2 to 3 hrs a nite then sign off I remember them claiming for > the > longest time they were doing transmitter testing. > Please correct if my memory is failing. :-) > > Bob N1WBD > Grafton,NH > > > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Aug 11 17:02:05 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:02:05 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... In-Reply-To: References: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> <0489F5ECC0E64764A90989FBDB160562@vpr1> Message-ID: The channel 68 "scrambling" technique was very primitive and lead to rampant piracy (it cost about $20 in parts to build the descrambler). The channel 27 technique was more elaborate. Piracy may have been part of the problem, but widespread growth of cable and the multiple premium services they offered was probably more of a blow. I was able to pick up the HBO microwave service from the Prudential in the mid 80's. I moved to the Baltimore area in 1984. When I came back two years later either my equipment was broken or it was gone. BTW Baltimore also had a subscription TV station, WNUV. Those call letters are still being used by that station today, though now it is a CW affiliate. -Bob From wollman@bimajority.org Tue Aug 11 22:30:42 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:30:42 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update Message-ID: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> As of 22:25 ET: - 98.5's HD station ID is now displaying as "WBZ -FM", after some days as "MIX -FM". - New WBCN-branded automated rock on 98.5-2. - 1030 simulcast now on 98.5-3 and gone from 103.3-3. - 104.1 ID still displays as "WBCN-FM", and I still can't decode the HD. Decks ready to roll.... -GAWollman From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Aug 11 22:54:42 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:54:42 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> > - 98.5's HD station ID is now displaying as "WBZ -FM", after some days > as "MIX -FM". > - New WBCN-branded automated rock on 98.5-2. > - 1030 simulcast now on 98.5-3 and gone from 103.3-3. > - 104.1 ID still displays as "WBCN-FM", and I still can't decode the > HD. > > Decks ready to roll.... I'm up to about 6 gigs worth of 192k MP3s of WBCN audio from the last 4 days. I'll have to get some dual layer DVDs to fit this all on for those that want it. I think this will be the best way to distribute the audio, because the MP3s on a DVD should play fine on any computer with a DVD drive. For those that are interested, some sort of aircheck trade would be appreciated. I started recording 98.5 at 9 PM. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From scott@fybush.com Tue Aug 11 23:48:11 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:48:11 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> Message-ID: <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> Jeff Lehmann wrote: >> - 98.5's HD station ID is now displaying as "WBZ -FM", after some days >> as "MIX -FM". >> - New WBCN-branded automated rock on 98.5-2. >> - 1030 simulcast now on 98.5-3 and gone from 103.3-3. >> - 104.1 ID still displays as "WBCN-FM", and I still can't decode the >> HD. >> >> Decks ready to roll.... > > I'm up to about 6 gigs worth of 192k MP3s of WBCN audio from the last 4 > days. I'll have to get some dual layer DVDs to fit this all on for those > that want it. I think this will be the best way to distribute the audio, > because the MP3s on a DVD should play fine on any computer with a DVD drive. > For those that are interested, some sort of aircheck trade would be > appreciated. I, for one, am greatly appreciative and will find something good to trade...since listening to the end of WBCN on the stream in a motel room in Beloit, Wisconsin just isn't quite the same thing. "Goodbye, and peace." s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 12 00:09:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:09:26 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> Message-ID: <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I, for one, am greatly appreciative and will find something good to > trade...since listening to the end of WBCN on the stream in a motel room > in Beloit, Wisconsin just isn't quite the same thing. Did anyone else catch the very first WBMX legal on 104.1 -- about 10 dB down under the "static"? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Aug 12 00:19:47 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:19:47 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4A8242E3.7080503@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I, for one, am greatly appreciative and will find something good to >> trade...since listening to the end of WBCN on the stream in a motel room >> in Beloit, Wisconsin just isn't quite the same thing. > > Did anyone else catch the very first WBMX legal on 104.1 -- about 10 > dB down under the "static"? > > -GAWollman > It came through nicely on the stream, which I was recording. Alas, I forgot to load Cool Edit on my laptop, so I won't be putting any WBCN/WBMX stuff up on Tophour.com until I get home in a couple of weeks. s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 00:28:06 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:28:06 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A8242E3.7080503@fybush.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A8242E3.7080503@fybush.com> Message-ID: <001001ca1b05$4a38bfe0$deaa3fa0$@net> > Alas, I forgot to load Cool Edit on my laptop, so I won't be putting > any > WBCN/WBMX stuff up on Tophour.com until I get home in a couple of > weeks. > I've been bad about missing my day to post stuff lately... This weekend I'll try to put up a good amount of the different IDs from the switch. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From heritageradio@msn.com Wed Aug 12 01:09:44 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:09:44 -0400 Subject: WBCN SAYS GOODBYE Message-ID: As WBCN left rhe air on 104.1 at about 12:06 AM Wednesday morning 8/11, having (apparently) turned off their carrier (if that's proper terminology for FM) a barrel of white noise appeared and in the backgrouns what sounded like a legal ID - the voice said: "WMFX HD 1 Boston" Then silence except for the white noise. I was glad their legal ID at 12 MN ended with "The Boston Concert Network" - which is what I said on my weekly Sunday afternoon program in the mid-60's - Festival of Folk Music. Tom Heathwood ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey It was just announced on BCN that Hardy will co-host a Saturday show on BZ-FM with Jerry Trupiano Anyhow if today is BCN's last day of rock and BZ-FM doesn't start until Thursday what happens tomorrow? Will WBMX be on both 98.5 and 104.1? From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 12 01:14:12 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:14:12 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A824BEA.8050302@fybush.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19074.20388.684497.561835@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> So the recorded "static" on 104.1 shut off at about 1:05 this morning. No sign of a 1 AM legal ID, that I heard anyway, but my HD finally locked and I can confirm that the 80s music and Psychic Network are already up on the 104.1 multiplex. (I can't say for sure when this happened -- it could have been some time Monday, since this is the first time I've been able to get 104.1's HD in about a week.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Aug 12 01:21:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:21:26 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4A825156.20096.86AB5A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Aug 2009 at 22:30, Garrett Wollman wrote: > - 98.5's HD station ID is now displaying as "WBZ -FM", after some days > as "MIX -FM". - New WBCN-branded automated rock on 98.5-2. - 1030 > simulcast now on 98.5-3 and gone from 103.3-3. - 104.1 ID still > displays as "WBCN-FM", and I still can't decode the HD. I guess the legal ID will be something on the lines of "WBZ and WBZ- FM-HD2." Makes a lot more sense than a WODS ID. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 01:31:32 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:31:32 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours Message-ID: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net> Here's a link to download the final 4 hours of WBCN, saved at 128K to fit under sendspace.com's 300 meg limit. http://www.sendspace.com/file/hl2bul Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 02:14:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:14:41 -0500 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net> References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net> Message-ID: <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> The Inside Track informs us that WBCN will donate their entire vinal collection to the Music Museum of NE http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and Pink Floyd Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parenteau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx The WBMX website has a new url http://www.mix1041.com/ Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? From n1wbd@peoplepc.com Tue Aug 11 19:25:13 2009 From: n1wbd@peoplepc.com (Bob Hale) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:25:13 -0400 Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... References: <781BE8B473FF425FAE95C86E49E89D3D@bobdbll7jyc68f> <0489F5ECC0E64764A90989FBDB160562@vpr1> Message-ID: Yes channel 68 boxes were pretty simple I remember the audio came out of the descrambler all they were doing at the time was sticking the audio on a subcarrier similar to SAP mode which we all have built into our tv's. The video was sync supressed. I still remember back when Radio-Electronics magazine came out with the article on how to build your own descrambler. Like you mentioned the Channel 27 descramber was more elaborate it was based on the Zenith SSAVI system. Just imagine how many old descamblers are probably sitting in people's closets or attic's. I wonder how many old single channel 68 or 27 antennas are still on the roof? Bob N1WBD Grafton,NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "Boston Radio TV list" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... > The channel 68 "scrambling" technique was very primitive and lead to > rampant piracy > (it cost about $20 in parts to build the descrambler). The channel 27 > technique was > more elaborate. > > Piracy may have been part of the problem, but widespread growth of cable > and the > multiple premium services they offered was probably more of a blow. > > I was able to pick up the HBO microwave service from the Prudential in > the mid 80's. > I moved to the Baltimore area in 1984. When I came back two years > later either my > equipment was broken or it was gone. > > BTW Baltimore also had a subscription TV station, WNUV. Those call > letters are > still being used by that station today, though now it is a CW affiliate. > > -Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 12 02:22:13 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:22:13 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A825156.20096.86AB5A@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A825156.20096.86AB5A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4A825F95.4020102@ttlc.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I guess the legal ID will be something on the lines of "WBZ and WBZ- > FM-HD2." Makes a lot more sense than a WODS ID. > BZ re-cut their TOH ID for today and at 11:59:50 tonight I heard: WBZ, WBZ-HD & WBZ-FM-HD-2, Boston It sounded like Gary LaPierre. FWIW: Steve Leveille discussed the switch in depth tonight and Bradley J came in from his gig "the last show on WBCN" to talk about it. Steve even mentioned stations ike WEEI & WRKO. I thought that was verboten. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 12 07:08:47 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:08:47 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> So is 104.1 IDing as WBMX or WBMX-FM? I believe that either would be legal, since I think the unsuffixed WBMX calls are now unused elsewhere, but which calls is 104.1 using? Presumably, the ex-band AM (in where is it?--Charlotte?) is now officially WBCN. I think I read that that change took place a week or more ago. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: CBS switcheroo update > < said: > >> I, for one, am greatly appreciative and will find something good to >> trade...since listening to the end of WBCN on the stream in a motel >> room >> in Beloit, Wisconsin just isn't quite the same thing. > > Did anyone else catch the very first WBMX legal on 104.1 -- about 10 > dB down under the "static"? > > -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 12 09:32:38 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:32:38 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A825F95.4020102@ttlc.net> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A825156.20096.86AB5A@joe.attorneyross.com> <4A825F95.4020102@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <19074.50294.801897.938809@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > FWIW: Steve Leveille discussed the switch in depth tonight and Bradley J > came in from his gig "the last show on WBCN" to talk about it. Steve > even mentioned stations ike WEEI & WRKO. I thought that was verboten. There's no chance of the PPM hearing the wrong call sign and writing it down in its diary... and Peter Casey is probably sleeping at that time anyway. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 12 09:37:25 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:37:25 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So is 104.1 IDing as WBMX or WBMX-FM? I believe that either would be > legal, since I think the unsuffixed WBMX calls are now unused > elsewhere, That's not really relevant -- it's what it says "on the license" that matters. But the call sign desk issues a receipt that effectively amends the license to show the new call sign, and the swap of WBMX and WBCN officially took place today. -GAWollman From dave@skywaves.net Wed Aug 12 11:20:57 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net> <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com> > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? WGFM used to make that claim when I worked there in the early 1970's. (WRVE now, but I still think of it as WGFM, since I haven't lived around Albany since then.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > > The Inside Track informs us that WBCN will donate their entire vinal > collection to the Music Museum of NE > > http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 > > Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and Pink Floyd > > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? > > http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parenteau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx > > The WBMX website has a new url > > http://www.mix1041.com/ > > Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? > From paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net Wed Aug 12 07:48:18 2009 From: paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net (Paul Bacchiocchi) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:48:18 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: They're IDing as WBMX and WBMX-HD1 Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: Re: CBS switcheroo update > So is 104.1 IDing as WBMX or WBMX-FM? I believe that either would be > legal, since I think the unsuffixed WBMX calls are now unused > elsewhere, but which calls is 104.1 using? Presumably, the ex-band AM > (in where is it?--Charlotte?) is now officially WBCN. I think I read > that that change took place a week or more ago. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garrett Wollman" > To: "Scott Fybush" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: CBS switcheroo update > > >> <> said: >> >>> I, for one, am greatly appreciative and will find something good to >>> trade...since listening to the end of WBCN on the stream in a motel >>> room >>> in Beloit, Wisconsin just isn't quite the same thing. >> >> Did anyone else catch the very first WBMX legal on 104.1 -- about 10 >> dB down under the "static"? >> >> -GAWollman > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Aug 12 10:23:40 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:23:40 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: For the sake of completeness, and because a few people asked, once Mix programming was on 104.1, there was a "nightlight" service of sorts running on 98.5. This featured various personalities stating that they had moved over to 104.1. Another spot would ask "Is this what you looking for" followed by ten seconds of a popular song. Next, they would instruct you to "reset your preset" to 104.1. I heard this around 2am and could only take about 5 minutes of this continuous loop. I'm not sure exactly when they stopped and went over to the new format. -Bob From tmw207@roadrunner.com Wed Aug 12 11:50:43 2009 From: tmw207@roadrunner.com (Terry) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:50:43 -0400 Subject: Ira Apple Dies Message-ID: All Acces is reporting the death of Ira Apple. Is this the same Ira Apple that posts here? Terry --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090812-0, 08/12/2009 Tested on: 8/12/2009 11:50:43 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 12:16:59 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:16:59 -0500 Subject: Ira Apple Dies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> Yes Ira posted here often http://www.rbr.com/media-news/16343.html On 8/12/09, Terry wrote: > All Acces is reporting the death of Ira Apple. > > Is this the same Ira Apple that posts here? > > Terry > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090812-0, 08/12/2009 > Tested on: 8/12/2009 11:50:43 AM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 12 12:24:29 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:24:29 -0400 Subject: Ira Apple Dies In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:16 PM 8/12/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Yes Ira posted here often Do we know if it's the same guy? I had heard that he was ill (heart problems, I believe) but we spoke a couple of months ago and he didn't say anything about it. We used to chat about oldtime radio a lot. A very nice person. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 12:31:36 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:31:36 -0500 Subject: Ira Apple Dies In-Reply-To: <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.com> Same person Donna He was living in DC and had a stroke a month ago On 8/12/09, Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:16 PM 8/12/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Yes Ira posted here often > > Do we know if it's the same guy? I had heard that he was ill (heart > problems, I believe) but we spoke a couple of months ago and he > didn't say anything about it. We used to chat about oldtime radio a > lot. A very nice person. > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 12 12:38:05 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:38:05 -0400 Subject: Ira Apple Dies In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090812163807.2ECCD1B4025@relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 12:31 PM 8/12/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Same person Donna > >He was living in DC and had a stroke a month ago Wow... what a year this has been. I'm telling you, folks, it's no clich?-- if you've got your health, you've got everything. From paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net Wed Aug 12 12:21:38 2009 From: paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net (Paul Bacchiocchi) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:21:38 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: They're still doing the "nightlight" and I would think they'd do that through at least afternoon drive or until midnight when WBZ-FM kicks in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob DeMattia" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: CBS switcheroo update > For the sake of completeness, and because a few people asked, once Mix > programming > was on 104.1, there was a "nightlight" service of sorts running on > 98.5. This featured > various personalities stating that they had moved over to 104.1. > Another spot would ask > "Is this what you looking for" followed by ten seconds of a popular > song. Next, they > would instruct you to "reset your preset" to 104.1. > > I heard this around 2am and could only take about 5 minutes of this > continuous loop. I'm > not sure exactly when they stopped and went over to the new format. > > -Bob > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 12 13:20:32 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:20:32 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > They're still doing the "nightlight" and I would think they'd do that > through at least afternoon drive or until midnight when WBZ-FM kicks in. I believe the official launch of "The Sports Hub" was to be tomorrow morning at 6 AM, according to reports on this list. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 12 13:53:40 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:53:40 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net> 98.5 is running a loop with bits from all the Mix on-air talent telling us that we're "here" (98.5) and they're "there (104.1) so "Twist The Dial &Move On Up" plus promos for the Sports Hub debuting tomorrow. WBZ is even including the a Sports Hub mention in the TOH/BOH overview. Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> They're still doing the "nightlight" and I would think they'd do that >> through at least afternoon drive or until midnight when WBZ-FM kicks in. >> > > I believe the official launch of "The Sports Hub" was to be tomorrow > morning at 6 AM, according to reports on this list. > > -GAWollman > > > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Aug 12 14:00:30 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:00:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Question about a Dark UHF channel in Boston... Message-ID: <32913061.1250100030482.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Peter Q. George" : > > After many years of "on-air" and "off-air" operation, the > signal was restored and has been a repeater of WBPX > for many years. > > The reason for having W40BO on the air as a repeater > of WBPX? Beats me. When WBPX 68 was still analog from the Pru (up until a couple of months ago), there were always areas on the "wrong sides" of hills in the Boston west suburbs where viewers got nothing but multiple ghosts on 68. My mom's house in Newton was one of them. Those viewers could get a clear analog signal on channel 40 from FM-128. Also in recent months 40 hasn't been repeating WBPX's main programming, it has been repeating WBPX DT-2 "Qubo" children's programming. EP From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 12 14:23:19 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:19 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > WBZ is even including the a Sports Hub mention in the TOH/BOH overview. Why didn't WBZ use it's heritage calls and branding for something that more readily reflects its core - news & talk? And I risk beating an old drum here when I wonder why they haven't considered putting out a retro-service to the Full-Service A/C days of WBZ someplace in HD land? Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 12 12:38:32 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:38:32 -0400 Subject: Ira Apple Dies In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A82F008.4020304@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Same person Donna > > He was living in DC and had a stroke a month ago > > How long was Ira a member of this listserv? I enjoyed his contributions very much. My condolences to his family and friends. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Wed Aug 12 14:53:26 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:53:26 -0500 Subject: Arbitron Report On Public Radio Listening Message-ID: <20090812185326.D24AD478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Arbitron has released a detailed report on Public Radio listening nationwide. It's available at: http://www.arbitron.com/study/publicrt.asp Registration is required but there's no charge. Most surprising piece of information: there seems to be an uptick in jazz t.s.l. for the younger demographic. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! From jscavo@maine.rr.com Wed Aug 12 15:42:07 2009 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (John) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:42:07 -0400 Subject: WBCN's last days In-Reply-To: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103EDEB860CA4B9CA5366F6DC42BD588@vpr1> How about poor programming decisions as the culprit, instead of XM, HD, and etc? -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis [mailto:phylo1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:38 PM To: Boston Radio List Subject: WBCN's last days Has anyone been listening over the last couple of days? I've been recording some of it via their web stream. The stories and nostalgia and music, if you listened back pre-90's, I'd say, has brought back a lot of memories, of DJs and bands I'd almost forgotten about. I've heard interviews with Billy West and Tom Sandman, Ken Shelton, Jerry Goodwin(the Duke of Madness). Oedipus did a show last night, played some great music and great stories. Charles L. was on yesterday afternoon, being as strange as always. His shtick was that he wanted to read a very long list of people he worked with, to say thank you. I also heard an interesting interview with Jonathan Kraft. Tami Heidi is due to be on this evening around 8 PM. I hope to be listening for the last couple of hours 10-12 when Bradley J is supposed to be shutting it down for the last time. I admit that "My" station back in the heyday of punk and new wave was 101.7 - funny how hard they struggled and now they are the survivors. I don't listen much anymore, but ocasionally some new music squeaks through that I actually like. Many of my friends who've moved out of the area are surprised and sorry to hear about BCN. We think things will never change, but of course they do. Internet radio, HD radio, XM radio, radio apps on the itouch (which I love!) have all changed the landscape of radio as we knew it. I'm only 50, but I wax nostalgic just the same... This video of Oedipus with Emily Rooney may interest you. http://www.beatthepress.org/blog/ralph-ranalli/389 RIP The Rock of Boston, Phyllis WCUW 91.3 Worcester "Shirim" Sunday nights 8-10 PM From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 16:59:43 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:59:43 -0500 Subject: The Sports Hub starts at 1 PM Thursday Message-ID: <4fc429770908121359v7d7657bfp98a7c45b1a7c8e09@mail.gmail.com> Finally some details leaking out on the very quiet launch of WBZ-FM http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2009/08/shhh-dont-tell-anyone-but-the-sportshub-launches-tomorrow They kick off tomorrow at 1 with Felger and Mazz and then Pats pregame at 4 John Wallach moves from EEI to be the AM sports flash guy. Sporting News Radio moves to BZ-FM from WWZN From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 17:34:35 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:34:35 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net><4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <021CCDA0BC394F5C980EA552C90DE1BE@Mark> Roger Kirk wrote: > WBZ is even including the a Sports Hub mention in the TOH/BOH overview. They had a story on the end of WBCN around 2:35 this afternoon. They played part of Steve Lavelle's interview with Bradley J. and they ended the story with a plug for the debut of the Sports Hub tomorrow. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 17:36:14 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:36:14 -0400 Subject: Ira Apple Dies References: <4fc429770908120916t4ade4b8cofa524e697d3aa810@mail.gmail.com> <20090812162431.7D076C25D@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com><4fc429770908120931j15e3a24cpd154fd70b7920cfb@mail.gmail.com> <4A82F008.4020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill O'Neill wrote: > How long was Ira a member of this listserv? I enjoyed his contributions > very much. > My condolences to his family and friends. I also offer my condolences to Ira's family & friends. Mark Watson From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 12 17:47:30 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:47:30 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <000301ca1af8$3e061cc0$ba125640$@net> <4A823B7B.8050804@fybush.com> <19074.16502.83755.367912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <7732051287E74A1784425159B89BF10D@SatU205S5044> <19074.50581.377801.992855@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19074.63968.269014.172116@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net> <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001ca1b96$7f580640$708c4c0c@oemcomputer> From: Bill O'Neill > Roger Kirk wrote: > > WBZ is even including the a Sports Hub mention in the TOH/BOH overview. > > Why didn't WBZ use it's heritage calls and branding for something that > more readily reflects its core - news & talk? And I risk beating an old > drum here when I wonder why they haven't considered putting out a > retro-service to the Full-Service A/C days of WBZ someplace in HD land? > > Bill O'Neill > That would be a pretty expensive way to reach a couple of thousand listeners, wouldn't it? Most HD formats can be run out of a broom closet; how the heck do you do that with a personality-based A/C with local news, traffic, weather, etc.? Howard From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:10:47 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:10:47 -0400 Subject: Arbitron Report On Public Radio Listening In-Reply-To: <20090812185326.D24AD478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090812185326.D24AD478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A834BF7.8030101@gmail.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Registration is required but there's no charge. Most surprising piece > of information: there seems to be an uptick in jazz t.s.l. for the younger demographic. > It's all about stress! And the need for less of it! Perhaps the younger generation is waking up to the work that awaits them in cleaning up the mess the older generation is producing. Okay, that aside, I am curious if the music defined in that measurement is, in fact, jazz or the packaged jazzy-pop-poppy-jazz that pops up from time to time in Whack-a-mole consultant format fashion. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:56:35 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:56:35 -0400 Subject: WBCN's last days In-Reply-To: <103EDEB860CA4B9CA5366F6DC42BD588@vpr1> References: <83903.89438.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <103EDEB860CA4B9CA5366F6DC42BD588@vpr1> Message-ID: <4A8356B3.3060108@gmail.com> John wrote: > How about poor programming decisions as the culprit, instead of XM, HD, and > etc? > Could it be? Nah. Let's blame the pond not the fish.... If you include value-added services to the listener in those programming decisions then you are right. SiriusXM, HD, iPods, etc., are not the blame. The more those pieces find their proper 'fit' into the culture the easier it is to see what the terrestrials can do that none of the above can possibly do. Being among the middle-agers among us I think it's easier to withhold crusty references to "back when I was at Wxxx" because it may be seen as a dated, out of touch reference with no application. So, here goes anyway: When we do consider heritage stations from our youth I do not think it is all about the music. There's the big lie. Charles and the Big Mattress on WBCN, for instance, was a radio show with good music. But that was not why most people listened. Really. A non-radio buddy of mine and I just talked about this today. He said, "Why should I listen to a radio station that doesn't listen to me?" He went on to pop-off the dirty little truths that radio (all radio is local) slowly reduced its value when it backed away from paying to produce local news, local weather, local sports, local entertainment news. Radio actually believed the big lie that if you offer less of an investment you will get the same return. Radio also believed that "It's all about the music." Well, that certainly became the result because radio took away any other reason to listen to radio but for the music. There was nothing left but the music. (No disrespect to my dear buddies still wearing the cans. You know who you are and you know where I'm coming from.) So, along comes a more personalized and easy delivery system for music lovers. Radio now had nothing else on the shelf for the customer and became unnecessary. Not irrelevant, just unnecessary. The good news? Toss in today's iPods, XM, or whatever else may "grab TSLs" and you CAN still want and need a radio companion in the morning, ride in the car, etc. But, there is an entire generation-and-a-half who, through no fault or CHOICE of their own, now need to be exposed to that thing that live and local radio can do. Radio killed the radio listener and now owes the listener an apology. The first thing a radio station needs to do on the first day it decides to repent is to say, "I'm sorry. I was wrong. I was young and needed the money. But now I'm back." (You may want to insert After-School-Special-music under that voicer but that's just me.) Killing-off WBCN unwittingly started a long time ago. The calls may have stuck around for the ride but the station left the station long before midnight last night. Bill O'Neill From john@minutemancomm.com Wed Aug 12 21:45:33 2009 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:45:33 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com> References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net><4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1> What I think Mark means is that the story goes that before there was stereo WBCN and WGBH broadcasted some concerts where WBCN carried one channel and WGBH carried the other. The listener set up two radios and they had stereo. I was not born so I don't know the authenticity of these stories. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:21 AM To: Kevin Vahey; Jeff Lehmann; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest; Scott Fybush Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? WGFM used to make that claim when I worked there in the early 1970's. (WRVE now, but I still think of it as WGFM, since I haven't lived around Albany since then.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > > The Inside Track informs us that WBCN will donate their entire vinal > collection to the Music Museum of NE > > http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 > > Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and Pink Floyd > > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? > > http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parent > eau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx > > The WBMX website has a new url > > http://www.mix1041.com/ > > Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 20:54:24 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> With all due respect to Mark Parenteau, WBCN was NOT America's FIRST Stereo FM station, not even close. WGFM/Schenectady and WEFM/Chicago were the very FIRST FCC approved FM Multiplex Stereo stations back in 1961. Boston's FIRST FM Stereo station was WCRB-FM (102.5). WBCN (104.1), WKOX-FM (105.7), WCOP-FM (100.7), WUPI/WUPY (105.3, now-deleted) and WGBH-FM (89.7) did join the Stereo ranks in 1962 - 1963. Later between 1964 - 1968, WHDH-FM (94.5), WBOS-FM (92.9), WRKO-FM/WROR (98.5) and WEEI-FM (103.3)and WHRB-FM (95.3) would go Stereo as well. The latecomers? WBZ-FM (106.7) in 1971, WERS (88.9) in 1974, WCCM-FM/WCGY (93.7) in 1974, WBUR (90.9) in 1971, WLLH-FM/WSSH (99.5) in 1970 and last but not least WTBS/WMBR (88.1) in 1987. So, there you have it. Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > To: "Jeff Lehmann" , "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" , "Scott Fybush" > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:14 AM > The Inside Track informs us that WBCN > will donate their entire vinal > collection to the Music Museum of NE > > http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 > > Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and > Pink Floyd > > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? > > http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parenteau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx > > The WBMX website has a new url > > http://www.mix1041.com/ > > Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? > From dave@skywaves.net Wed Aug 12 22:15:45 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:15:45 -0400 Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) References: <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4373595BB5DC4D0D836B855389CB79DA@skywaves.com> So the story I heard way back when at WGFM was right. Thanks for confiming that, Peter. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Kevin Vahey" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) > > With all due respect to Mark Parenteau, WBCN was NOT America's FIRST > Stereo FM station, not even close. WGFM/Schenectady and WEFM/Chicago were > the very FIRST FCC approved FM Multiplex Stereo stations back in 1961. > Boston's FIRST FM Stereo station was WCRB-FM (102.5). WBCN (104.1), > WKOX-FM (105.7), WCOP-FM (100.7), WUPI/WUPY (105.3, now-deleted) and > WGBH-FM (89.7) did join the Stereo ranks in 1962 - 1963. Later between > 1964 - 1968, WHDH-FM (94.5), WBOS-FM (92.9), WRKO-FM/WROR (98.5) and > WEEI-FM (103.3)and WHRB-FM (95.3) would go Stereo as well. The > latecomers? WBZ-FM (106.7) in 1971, WERS (88.9) in 1974, WCCM-FM/WCGY > (93.7) in 1974, WBUR (90.9) in 1971, WLLH-FM/WSSH (99.5) in 1970 and last > but not least WTBS/WMBR (88.1) in 1987. So, there you have it. > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > "Scanning the bands since 1967" > > radiojunkie3@yahoo.com > *********************************************************** > > > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> From: Kevin Vahey >> Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours >> To: "Jeff Lehmann" , "(newsgroup) >> Boston-Radio-Interest" , "Scott >> Fybush" >> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 2:14 AM >> The Inside Track informs us that WBCN >> will donate their entire vinal >> collection to the Music Museum of NE >> >> http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 >> >> Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and >> Pink Floyd >> >> Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? >> >> http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parenteau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx >> >> The WBMX website has a new url >> >> http://www.mix1041.com/ >> >> Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? >> > > > > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Wed Aug 12 22:30:35 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:30:35 -0400 Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) In-Reply-To: <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This one is in the Worcester area but still the Boston DMA: WCHC (then 89.1, now 88.1) went Stereo in 1982. At least they beat WMBR! -Bob From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 12 22:40:12 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:40:12 -0500 Subject: WBZ-FM website online Message-ID: <4fc429770908121940q3a4db2f2o91c2c2546d54110d@mail.gmail.com> WBZ-FM website is up http://www.cbssports.com/local/boston From john@minutemancomm.com Thu Aug 13 01:00:39 2009 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:00:39 -0400 Subject: FW: WBCN's Final Hours Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of John Mullaney Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:46 PM To: 'Boston Radio Interest' Subject: RE: WBCN's Final Hours What I think Mark means is that the story goes that before there was stereo WBCN and WGBH broadcasted some concerts where WBCN carried one channel and WGBH carried the other. The listener set up two radios and they had stereo. I was not born so I don't know the authenticity of these stories. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:21 AM To: Kevin Vahey; Jeff Lehmann; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest; Scott Fybush Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? WGFM used to make that claim when I worked there in the early 1970's. (WRVE now, but I still think of it as WGFM, since I haven't lived around Albany since then.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Jeff Lehmann" ; "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > > The Inside Track informs us that WBCN will donate their entire vinal > collection to the Music Museum of NE > > http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1190471 > > Quite a trifecta for the last 3 songs, Sinatra, Cream and Pink Floyd > > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? > > http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/dontquoteme/archive/2009/07/15/mark-parent > eau-on-the-rise-and-fall-of-bcn.aspx > > The WBMX website has a new url > > http://www.mix1041.com/ > > Meanwhile what will BZ-FM do overnight? > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 13 01:28:08 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:28:08 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com> References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <4A83A468.7620.AF20AB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2009 at 11:20, Dave Doherty wrote: > > Mark Parenteau claimed WBCN was the first stereo station? > > WGFM used to make that claim when I worked there in the early 1970's. > (WRVE now, but I still think of it as WGFM, since I haven't lived > around Albany since then.) WCRB was broadcasting in stereo long before WBCN. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 13 01:28:08 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:28:08 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1> References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1> Message-ID: <4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2009 at 21:45, John Mullaney wrote: > What I think Mark means is that the story goes that before there was > stereo WBCN and WGBH broadcasted some concerts where WBCN carried one > channel and WGBH carried the other. The listener set up two radios and > they had stereo. I was not born so I don't know the authenticity of > these stories. That's quite true, though I can't remember whether it was WBCN and WGBH or WBCN and WBUR. There was also "The New England Stereo Hour" on WBZ, with one channel on WBZ-AM and one on WBZ-FM. Before FM multiplex stereo, WCRB regularly broadcast in AM-FM stereo. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 13 01:28:08 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:28:08 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Aug 2009 at 14:23, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Why didn't WBZ use it's heritage calls and branding for something that > more readily reflects its core - news & talk? And I risk beating an > old drum here when I wonder why they haven't considered putting out a > retro-service to the Full-Service A/C days of WBZ someplace in HD > land? Because the people making the decisions now are too young to remember the old days. Some may not even have been born yet. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 13 03:49:21 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:49:21 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1> <4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe: Weren't you living in Albany in the fall of 1953? If so, you should remember the big stereo demo broadcast of WHAZ's 30th anniversary--one year late (WHAZ signed on in 1922). The program was thought of and masterminded by Frank Gicca (RPI '55). It was an early chapter in his ultimately successful attempt to be named to Who's Who in American Colleges and Universities. Gicca was a year ahead of me at RPI, and I believe he was named to Who's Who in his junior year--which was unusual. The program was all on AM and required two AM radios to hear in stereo. Four AM stations broadcast the left channel and four broadcast the right. I can't remember which stations were on which sides, but the program, which originated live before an audience at RPI's '87 Gym, was carried by WROW, WGY, WXKW, WTRY, WHAZ, WOKO, WPTR, and I think, WABY. Those were all of the AMs in the Capital district at the time, except for WSNY Schenectady. The program must have aired in the fall of 1953, most likely in early November, because WXKW signed off forever shortly afterward. That's another story and was unrelated to the big stereo broadcast. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "John Mullaney" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours > On 12 Aug 2009 at 21:45, John Mullaney wrote: > >> What I think Mark means is that the story goes that before there >> was >> stereo WBCN and WGBH broadcasted some concerts where WBCN carried >> one >> channel and WGBH carried the other. The listener set up two radios >> and >> they had stereo. I was not born so I don't know the authenticity of >> these stories. > > That's quite true, though I can't remember whether it was WBCN and > WGBH or WBCN and WBUR. There was also "The New England Stereo Hour" > on WBZ, with one channel on WBZ-AM and one on WBZ-FM. Before FM > multiplex stereo, WCRB regularly broadcast in AM-FM stereo. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From keithlavon@gmail.com Wed Aug 12 23:47:01 2009 From: keithlavon@gmail.com (Keith Lavon) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:47:01 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM website online In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908121940q3a4db2f2o91c2c2546d54110d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908121940q3a4db2f2o91c2c2546d54110d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c6f0dce0908122047x20863bf2reb5466ef48c71b87@mail.gmail.com> Interesting to see they have Toucher and Rich starting at 5 am, beating EEI at the start of the day. The DA Show also going only to 10 p.m., not 11 p.m. as has been reported CBS Radio has done the same thing in DC for a 5 am start. Baltimore starts the morning show at 5:30 however in NYC AM drive is at 6 am. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WBZ-FM website is up > > http://www.cbssports.com/local/boston > From paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net Thu Aug 13 05:05:34 2009 From: paul.bacchiocchi@verizon.net (Paul Bacchiocchi) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:05:34 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <54F62A60301C4180805ECCFEAF1953C7@PaulLaptop> I notice that on WBZ-FM they're replaying 'BCNs broadcast of SB36. I thought the NFL frowned on this sort of stuff. When there were calls to have the games repeated the response was we can't because the NFL won't allow it. Or does being the "Patriots flagship" make a difference. I thought WEEI was the one trying to do the replay. Paul From sid@wrko.com Thu Aug 13 08:39:09 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:39:09 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "And I risk beating an old drum here when I wonder why they haven't considered putting out a retro-service to the Full-Service A/C days of WBZ someplace in HD land?" Because you can't make business decisions based on nostalgia alone, and you can't put an expensive, personality-driven format in a place where only a miniscule audience will hear it. HD radios aren't selling in numbers that would justify such a business model. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kenwvt@gmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:38:48 2009 From: kenwvt@gmail.com (kenwvt@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:38:48 +0000 Subject: WBZ-FM website online In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0908122047x20863bf2reb5466ef48c71b87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001636ed73155432f5047107bb5f@google.com> I set my radio to wake to Toucher and Rich this morning on the new 98.5, but instead I awoke to a Patriots Superbowl play by play. Evidently the new sports hub doesn't technically debut until 1 pm this afternoon. The internet stream wasn't working at first, now it's just a loop saying to listen at 1p.m. I think they missed a huge opportunity not having the morning show on today. -Ken On Aug 12, 2009 11:47pm, Keith Lavon wrote: > Interesting to see they have Toucher and Rich starting at 5 am, > beating EEI at the start of the day. The DA Show also going only to 10 > pm, not 11 pm as has been reported > CBS Radio has done the same thing in DC for a 5 am start. Baltimore > starts the morning show at 5:30 however in NYC AM drive is at 6 am. > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Kevin Vaheykvahey@comcast.net> wrote: > > WBZ-FM website is up > > > > http://www.cbssports.com/local/boston > > From stevewest106@hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:46:06 2009 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve Sawyer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:46:06 -0400 Subject: A place to feature WBCN Airchecks In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: Gang, I'm not sure who it was that said he was recording the end of WBCN and was looking for a place to exhibit them, but I would be thrilled to post them on Airchexx.com. Tried to reply to the thread but apparently I didn't set up the mail correctly on my iPhone when sending it the other day. Steve West steve@airchexx.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Aug 13 12:53:32 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:53:32 -0400 Subject: A place to feature WBCN Airchecks In-Reply-To: References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca1c36$9800a030$c801e090$@net> > Gang, I'm not sure who it was that said he was recording the end of > WBCN and was looking for a place to exhibit them, but I would be > thrilled to post them on Airchexx.com. Tried to reply to the thread > but apparently I didn't set up the mail correctly on my iPhone when > sending it the other day. I recorded just about the whole 4 days (except overnights, when there wasn't anything going on). I've got them as MP3 files, which total about 6 gigs. I don't have access to anywhere to host audio files of that size, as most of the files are 6 hours long, and about a half gig. I have had a couple people request to hear the complete collection, and I'll probably put them on dual layer DVDs, unless someone is able to host files of this size. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:00:50 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:00:50 -0400 Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) In-Reply-To: <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com> <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601ca1c37$9c928ef0$d5b7acd0$@alternate@gmail.com> I was always under the impression the first station to use FM stereo in Massachusetts was WSRS in Worcester. Was WCRB stereo before WSRS? --Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Peter Q. George >Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 20:54 > >With all due respect to Mark Parenteau, WBCN was NOT America's FIRST Stereo FM station, not even close. WGFM/Schenectady and WEFM/Chicago were the very FIRST FCC approved >FM Multiplex Stereo stations back in 1961..... > >Peter Q. George (K1XRB) >Whitman, Massachusetts >"Scanning the bands since 1967" > >radiojunkie3@yahoo.com >*********************************************************** ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. From jscavo@maine.rr.com Thu Aug 13 12:05:36 2009 From: jscavo@maine.rr.com (John) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:05:36 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1> <4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <544BB32D924D4E2DAC94F49CE821CD79@vpr1> And didn't WBCN bring Quadraphonic Stereo to Boston Rock Radio back in the mid 70's? Supersport -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross [mailto:joe@attorneyross.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:28 AM To: John Mullaney Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WBCN's Final Hours On 12 Aug 2009 at 21:45, John Mullaney wrote: > What I think Mark means is that the story goes that before there was > stereo WBCN and WGBH broadcasted some concerts where WBCN carried one > channel and WGBH carried the other. The listener set up two radios and > they had stereo. I was not born so I don't know the authenticity of > these stories. That's quite true, though I can't remember whether it was WBCN and WGBH or WBCN and WBUR. There was also "The New England Stereo Hour" on WBZ, with one channel on WBZ-AM and one on WBZ-FM. Before FM multiplex stereo, WCRB regularly broadcast in AM-FM stereo. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dave@skywaves.net Thu Aug 13 18:27:26 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:27:26 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1><4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> Hi Dan- I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of the old timers in Albany early in my career. The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed from the start because they could never make the pattern work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't refuse for their property sometime around 1954. One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have been co-channel to WHDH. There was another WXKW in Albany later on - the 1600 in Mechanicville that now appears to be gone. It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would seem... -Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) From billohno@gmail.com Thu Aug 13 20:27:34 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:27:34 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4A84AF76.8040405@gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > HD radios aren't selling in numbers that would justify such a business model. > I don't believe I suggested placing such a product on HD-2 or 3. Bill From dave@skywaves.net Thu Aug 13 21:07:35 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:07:35 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96515B94B6A84681A20BDCB1D2B2C521@skywaves.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > Actually, I believe they were indeed on AM 850 - co-channel to WHDH, and > only 40 kc above WGY. The story I heard was that the moment they first > went on the air WGY immediately filed lawsuits and FCC complaints that > they were interfering with them, which prevented them from ever getting > beyond the Special Temporary Authority phase of licensing. That is what > doomed them... > > That's a neat story about recording the signal level toward Boston - I had > never heard it before, but it makes perfect sense given the frequency > used. > > Matt Osborne > Rotterdam, NY > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote: > > >> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of >> the old timers in Albany early in my career. >> >> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed >> from the start because they could never make the pattern >> work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't >> refuse for their property sometime around 1954. >> >> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to >> 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the >> direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would >> have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were >> somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have >> been co-channel to WHDH. >> > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Thu Aug 13 21:08:58 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:08:58 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E495FAF700740EAB5E3D14208C2FC69@skywaves.com> Linc said the same thing. It's astonishing that they'd ever have gotten a CP co-channel with WHDH. Was it a daytimer? -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > Actually, I believe they were indeed on AM 850 - co-channel to WHDH, and > only 40 kc above WGY. The story I heard was that the moment they first > went on the air WGY immediately filed lawsuits and FCC complaints that > they were interfering with them, which prevented them from ever getting > beyond the Special Temporary Authority phase of licensing. That is what > doomed them... > > That's a neat story about recording the signal level toward Boston - I had > never heard it before, but it makes perfect sense given the frequency > used. > > Matt Osborne > Rotterdam, NY > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote: > > >> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of >> the old timers in Albany early in my career. >> >> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed >> from the start because they could never make the pattern >> work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't >> refuse for their property sometime around 1954. >> >> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to >> 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the >> direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would >> have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were >> somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have >> been co-channel to WHDH. >> > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 13 21:26:27 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:26:27 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1><4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> Message-ID: WXKW was on 850. It ran its daily tests at 8:00AM, 10AM, 12:30PM and, I think, 3:00PM with 15W ND from a little transmitter in the ATU building of one of the six 300' Blaw-Knox self-supporting towers. There were battery-powered calibrated receivers and Esterline-Angus strip-chart recorders at three null points, all to the west of the Selkirk site. They were mounted in little buildings that resembled the world's neatest, cleanest outhouses. The issues were with KOA, not with WHDH. General Electric, which then owned WGY, was not happy about having a 10 kW station on WGY's fourth-adjacent channel only 20 miles or so from the WGY transmitter, and since GE had once also owned KOA, the connections between WGY and KOA were good. It is alleged that GE resolved to hound WXKW off the air--and they succeeded. If you think about it, both 840 and 860 were impossible for a full-time station in Albany. In those days, Canadian IAs' skywave service was protected within the US as well as in Canada, So there was no hope of using 860 at night, with CJBC only a couple of hundred miles away. In addition what is now WSBS Great Barrington (2.2 kW-ND-D) was then WNAW North Adams (250W ND-D). I don't think North Adams is quite 40 miles from Selkirk. WXKW's deep null to the east protected both WNAW and WHDH. As for 840, in those days, WHAS's 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour extended well past Albany. Since then, the FCC has changed its formulas for locating those contours, so Albany is probably outside of the contour but not far enough for a station with any substantial night power. The Thruway construction had nothing to do with WXKW's demise. WXKW had long since bit the bullet by the time the Thruway was in land-taking mode--especially for thre Berkshire Extension, which runs right through what was the WXKW site. WROW bought the license and took the station dark in a move related to Capital District TV network affiliations in anticipation of the end of the early '50s TV-construction freeze. I believe the longest stint that the WXKW calls have had on any station was on 1470 in Allentown PA. My friend, the late Frank Toce, wanted WXKW for the FM he built in Bridgeport NY near Syracuse. The calls were in use, though, so he had to settle for WTKW. He named his dog TK after the FM station. I don't think that naming the dog XK would have worked very well. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "John Mullaney" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: WXKW Albany > Hi Dan- > > I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of the old > timers in Albany early in my career. > > The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed from the > start because they could never make the pattern work, and the > Thruway made them an offer they couldn't refuse for their property > sometime around 1954. > > One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to 10W-ND > for a few seconds to record the signal level in the direction of > Boston at some remote logging site. That would have put them on 840 > or 860, I guess, because they were somewhere in the 800's and they > certainly could not have been co-channel to WHDH. > > There was another WXKW in Albany later on - the 1600 in > Mechanicville that now appears to be gone. > > It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would seem... > > -Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > PO Box 4 > Millbury, MA 01527 > 401-354-2400 > 202-370-6357 (DC) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 13 22:14:48 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:14:48 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <96515B94B6A84681A20BDCB1D2B2C521@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <413A419251A0433CAF2AC26F09DD79F5@SatU205S5044> I don't think WGY would have had a leg to stand on if it had sued. There are no restrictions on contour overlap of fourth-adjacent AMs (and AFAIK, at least since NARBA, there never have been any). That's why the WGY-KOA connection was so important in this saga. As I pointed out in my previous post, GE once also owned KOA, which was co-channel with WXKW. Because of KOA's common heritage, it was easy for WGY to secure the cooperation of the Denver station. As Class IB station co-channel with WXKW, KOA could legitimately protest interference from WXKW's nighttime signal to its protected 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave service, which by the formulas the FCC then used, extended much closer to Albany than it now does. BTW, WXKW was 10 kW DA-1, six towers, in-line, end-fire. The complex in-line end-fire array was a major part of the problem. Six-tower in-lines are relatively rare even today, and modern ones are, by design, never quite in-line. True in lines with a lot of towers are finicky and have a tendency to have high RSS/RMS ratios, which are a predictor of stability problems. Most six-tower arrays are 3X2 broadside designs. Reconstructing the WXKW array as a 3X2 broadside was apparently not an option because it would have required acquiring adjacent land. There was a plan to reconstruct the array as a 3X2 end-fire, but that probably would not have worked either; 3X2 end fires do not null as deeply as do broadsides along the radials normal to the pattern axis, and it was the null to the west of the northerly main lobe that was the problem. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Matthew Osborne" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Osborne" > To: "Dave Doherty" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > >> >> Actually, I believe they were indeed on AM 850 - co-channel to >> WHDH, and only 40 kc above WGY. The story I heard was that the >> moment they first went on the air WGY immediately filed lawsuits >> and FCC complaints that they were interfering with them, which >> prevented them from ever getting beyond the Special Temporary >> Authority phase of licensing. That is what doomed them... >> >> That's a neat story about recording the signal level toward >> Boston - I had never heard it before, but it makes perfect sense >> given the frequency used. >> >> Matt Osborne >> Rotterdam, NY >> >> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote: >> >> >>> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of >>> the old timers in Albany early in my career. >>> >>> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed >>> from the start because they could never make the pattern >>> work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't >>> refuse for their property sometime around 1954. >>> >>> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to >>> 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the >>> direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would >>> have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were >>> somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have >>> been co-channel to WHDH. >>> >> >> >> >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 13 23:14:36 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:14:36 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany In-Reply-To: <413A419251A0433CAF2AC26F09DD79F5@SatU205S5044> References: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <96515B94B6A84681A20BDCB1D2B2C521@skywaves.com> <413A419251A0433CAF2AC26F09DD79F5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4A84D69C.3060104@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > As I pointed > out in my previous post, GE once also owned KOA, which was co-channel > with WXKW. Because of KOA's common heritage, it was easy for WGY to > secure the cooperation of the Denver station. It was easier than that. GE's ownership of KOA extended at least into the seventies, so it and WGY were still sister stations throughout the WXKW saga. s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 22:02:43 2009 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WXKW Albany In-Reply-To: <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <17931.99407.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote, regarding the WXKW callsign: > It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would > seem... > WXKW also inspired the call letters for another station years later. When Ed Levine put his new station at 99.5 FM in Bridgeport (Syracuse) NY on the air, he gave it the call letters WTKW, in honor of WXKW. As far as being lucky/unlucky, WTKW does seem to "hold their own ground", but they are by no means a ratings powerhouse in the market. Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Aug 13 23:35:25 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:35:25 -0400 Subject: GE radio ownership Message-ID: I know that GE at one time owned WSIX in Nashville and its TV counterpart, as well as WJIB in Boston; however, were WGY, KOA, and KGO the only radio stations that the company owned prior to, say, the '70s? I've sometimes wondered why GE, with its deep pockets, never expanded its broadcasting interests early on in the way that Westinghouse did. (It sold KGO to NBC back in the '30s, if memory serves). -Doug From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 14 00:02:58 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:02:58 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany Message-ID: <380-2200985144258531@ix.netcom.com> the WXKW data I have, is from (from "the brief history of WXKW" an article I found online, but I lost the URL & the article except for: "AM 850 (10 kW-U DA-1) licensed to nearby Albany NY. 1947-1952" "TX located in Selkirk NY about 10 miles south of Albany." "The array comprised six 300' Blaw-Knox square-cross-section self-supporting towers" "95.5 Albany never on air 1950's?" "call letters 1600 Troy 500w transmitter located off 19th St. in Watervliet about 1961 to 1966" Years ago, I read USGS Topozone 1:25,000 (pre-2005) coords at center of --5-- towers shown: 42? 32' 50", 73? 47' 32" Delmar quad site was west of Hudson River, nne of Selkirk (20 deg?), e of Beckers Corners. e of 9w, w of I87 & 144) also west of Cedar Hill from USGS I calc'd spacing between towers as 283 degrees. orientation due north = 0 deg Towers not on Google Earth 7-15-08 (no surprize) [Watervliet site not found on USGS] I have a pre-2005 USGS map (from Topozone) showing the site, if anyone wishes, I can send the gif to you. or, use Global Mapper (Discover life) "Make map" (enter coords in dd mm ss form) http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/mp/20m?act=make_map "set map resolution" to 4.07m (equivalent to Topozone's former most close-up USGS scale 1:25,000) and insert the coords above (note: lat & long are vertical, pia) [surprizingly, the 5 towers are still shown!] Thanks for the WGY-KOA insights, Dan & Scott. Bob / Madprof From dave@skywaves.net Fri Aug 14 00:03:59 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:03:59 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1><4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <45103BE5213E4E3CA2210F5C6E240E33@skywaves.com> Fascinating. So I guess WHDH only got nighttime groundwave protection because KOA was already out there as a 1A. What was the tower orientation? It must have been either NS or EW to get deep nulls east and west. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Dave Doherty" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "John Mullaney" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > WXKW was on 850. It ran its daily tests at 8:00AM, 10AM, 12:30PM and, > I think, 3:00PM with 15W ND from a little transmitter in the ATU > building of one of the six 300' Blaw-Knox self-supporting towers. > There were battery-powered calibrated receivers and Esterline-Angus > strip-chart recorders at three null points, all to the west of the > Selkirk site. They were mounted in little buildings that resembled the > world's neatest, cleanest outhouses. The issues were with KOA, not > with WHDH. General Electric, which then owned WGY, was not happy about > having a 10 kW station on WGY's fourth-adjacent channel only 20 miles > or so from the WGY transmitter, and since GE had once also owned KOA, > the connections between WGY and KOA were good. It is alleged that GE > resolved to hound WXKW off the air--and they succeeded. > > If you think about it, both 840 and 860 were impossible for a > full-time station in Albany. In those days, Canadian IAs' skywave > service was protected within the US as well as in Canada, So there was > no hope of using 860 at night, with CJBC only a couple of hundred > miles away. In addition what is now WSBS Great Barrington (2.2 > kW-ND-D) was then WNAW North Adams (250W ND-D). I don't think North > Adams is quite 40 miles from Selkirk. WXKW's deep null to the east > protected both WNAW and WHDH. As for 840, in those days, WHAS's 0.5 > mV/m 50% skywave contour extended well past Albany. Since then, the > FCC has changed its formulas for locating those contours, so Albany is > probably outside of the contour but not far enough for a station with > any substantial night power. > > The Thruway construction had nothing to do with WXKW's demise. WXKW > had long since bit the bullet by the time the Thruway was in > land-taking mode--especially for thre Berkshire Extension, which runs > right through what was the WXKW site. WROW bought the license and took > the station dark in a move related to Capital District TV network > affiliations in anticipation of the end of the early '50s > TV-construction freeze. > > I believe the longest stint that the WXKW calls have had on any > station was on 1470 in Allentown PA. My friend, the late Frank Toce, > wanted WXKW for the FM he built in Bridgeport NY near Syracuse. The > calls were in use, though, so he had to settle for WTKW. He named his > dog TK after the FM station. I don't think that naming the dog XK > would have worked very well. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Doherty" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" > ; "John Mullaney" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:27 PM > Subject: WXKW Albany > > >> Hi Dan- >> >> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of the old >> timers in Albany early in my career. >> >> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed from the >> start because they could never make the pattern work, and the >> Thruway made them an offer they couldn't refuse for their property >> sometime around 1954. >> >> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to 10W-ND >> for a few seconds to record the signal level in the direction of >> Boston at some remote logging site. That would have put them on 840 >> or 860, I guess, because they were somewhere in the 800's and they >> certainly could not have been co-channel to WHDH. >> >> There was another WXKW in Albany later on - the 1600 in >> Mechanicville that now appears to be gone. >> >> It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would seem... >> >> -Dave Doherty >> Skywaves Consulting LLC >> PO Box 4 >> Millbury, MA 01527 >> 401-354-2400 >> 202-370-6357 (DC) > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 14 00:17:47 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:17:47 -0400 Subject: GE radio ownership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19076.58731.226957.388358@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've sometimes wondered why GE, with its deep pockets, never > expanded its broadcasting interests early on in the way that > Westinghouse did. (It sold KGO to NBC back in the '30s, if memory > serves). When did GE cease to have an attributable interest (to use the modern terminology) in RCA? (Speaking of KGO, by the way, there's a great article out there on the Web describing NBC's West Coast Radio City, including the KGO/KPO studios.) -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Thu Aug 13 20:31:39 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:31:39 -0600 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <4A84AF76.8040405@gmail.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4A84AF76.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC550556D80B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "I don't believe I suggested placing such a product on HD-2 or 3." Effectively, you did, since the HD1 must simulcast the analog channel per FCC rules. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Aug 14 00:56:41 2009 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:56:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WBCN's Final Hours Message-ID: <22831558.1250225801740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "John" : > And didn't WBCN bring Quadraphonic Stereo to Boston > Rock Radio back in the mid 70's? Yes, but since there weren't many albums recorded in discrete true quadrophonic, they used a system which "synthesized" quadrophonic by sending a different EQ between the front and rear speakers, the rears being fed by material out-of-phase to the front, causing some phase cancellation when listening on a mono radio. WAAF may have also briefly done this. EP From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 14 01:15:33 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:15:33 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <22831558.1250225801740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22831558.1250225801740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19076.62197.429886.137113@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Yes, but since there weren't many albums recorded in > discrete true quadrophonic, they used a system which > "synthesized" quadrophonic by sending a different EQ > between the front and rear speakers, the rears being > fed by material out-of-phase to the front, causing > some phase cancellation when listening on a mono > radio. There were also various multiplex quad stereo subcarrier proposals, none of which had any sort of widespread adoption. (It was the AM Stereo of the 1970s -- the market died before the FCC adopted a standard.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 14 01:19:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:19:13 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, Message-ID: <4A84F3D1.5691.60FE64@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Aug 2009 at 3:49, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Joe: Weren't you living in Albany in the fall of 1953? If so, you > should remember the big stereo demo broadcast of WHAZ's 30th > anniversary--one year late (WHAZ signed on in 1922). I'm afraid not. We moved to Albany just after Thanksgiving that year. I didn't hear of such a thing as stereo until about 1957 or 1958, when we were back in the Boston area. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 14 01:19:17 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:19:17 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM legal ID? Message-ID: <4A84F3D5.12658.610B93@joe.attorneyross.com> I turned the car radio to WBZ-FM this evening and heard part of the Patriots game. About 9:58 PM, they broke for commercials, no legal ID. About 10:01 they again broke for commercials, including two promos for "98-5 Boston's Sports Hub" but no legal ID. When DO they do a legal ID? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Aug 14 01:23:35 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:23:35 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM legal ID? In-Reply-To: <4A84F3D5.12658.610B93@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4A84F3D5.12658.610B93@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <005701ca1c9f$5f3a8950$1daf9bf0$@net> > I turned the car radio to WBZ-FM this evening and heard part of the > Patriots game. About 9:58 PM, they broke for commercials, no legal > ID. About 10:01 they again broke for commercials, including two > promos for "98-5 Boston's Sports Hub" but no legal ID. When DO they > do a legal ID? Usually during the Patriots games they throw it in during the broadcast, between plays. I've heard it as late as 15 past the hour before. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 14 01:19:16 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:19:16 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany In-Reply-To: References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, Message-ID: <4A84F3D4.6902.6107C7@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Aug 2009 at 21:26, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The Thruway construction had nothing to do with WXKW's demise. WXKW > had long since bit the bullet by the time the Thruway was in > land-taking mode--especially for thre Berkshire Extension, which runs > right through what was the WXKW site. Much of the Thruway through Albany was already open by 1954. The Berkshire Extension, however, came a bit later. It was designed to connect to the Mass. Turnpike, which opened in May 1957. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 14 01:19:14 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:19:14 -0400 Subject: Boston's FIRST FM Stereo stations (was Re: WBCN's Final Hours) In-Reply-To: <000601ca1c37$9c928ef0$d5b7acd0$@alternate@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908112314q418adf0nd1ae5080b1d54ec2@mail.gmail.com>, <969725.46436.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <000601ca1c37$9c928ef0$d5b7acd0$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A84F3D2.23729.61022F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Aug 2009 at 13:00, Mike Fitzpatrick wrote: > I was always under the impression the first station to use FM stereo > in Massachusetts was WSRS in Worcester. Was WCRB stereo before WSRS? Yes. I remember hearing it reported on the WCRB newscast when the FCC authorized FM multiplex stereo. The news report even included a statement that WCRB would be broadcasting multiplex stereo shortly, and they did. Within weeks, I think. WSRS was still WTAG-FM for a couple more years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Aug 14 01:45:46 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:45:46 -0400 Subject: WBZ-FM legal ID? In-Reply-To: <4A84F3D5.12658.610B93@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4A84F3D5.12658.610B93@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19076.64010.396462.981360@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I turned the car radio to WBZ-FM this evening and heard part of the > Patriots game. About 9:58 PM, they broke for commercials, no legal > ID. About 10:01 they again broke for commercials, including two > promos for "98-5 Boston's Sports Hub" but no legal ID. When DO they > do a legal ID? I heard two legals in the never-ending post-game show; in both cases it was a network break immediately after the never-ending top-hour stop set. Hopefully the post-game is over by now so I can get a "normal programming" ID. I'm also still missing new 98.5-2, 100.7-3 (the one I got still said WBCN-HD2), and 104.1-2 (never got one from that service when it was on 98.5-2). Hopefully I can get all of these taken care of today, and then my collection will again be complete. -GAWollman From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 19:28:31 2009 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WXKW Albany In-Reply-To: <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Actually, I believe they were indeed on AM 850 - co-channel to WHDH, and only 40 kc above WGY. The story I heard was that the moment they first went on the air WGY immediately filed lawsuits and FCC complaints that they were interfering with them, which prevented them from ever getting beyond the Special Temporary Authority phase of licensing. That is what doomed them... That's a neat story about recording the signal level toward Boston - I had never heard it before, but it makes perfect sense given the frequency used. Matt Osborne Rotterdam, NY --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote: > I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of > the old timers in Albany early in my career. > > The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed > from the start because they could never make the pattern > work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't > refuse for their property sometime around 1954. > > One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to > 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the > direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would > have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were > somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have > been co-channel to WHDH. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 14 06:33:50 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:33:50 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <17931.99407.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C0051C9468D42E1A2F13BE860488677@SatU205S5044> Except that Ed Levine, who now owns WTKW, did NOT put the station on the air. My late friend Frank Toce did. It was Frank who built WTKW, tried to get the WXKW calls for it, increased its original 3 kW to the then-new 6-kW Class A FM maximum, and added a translator on 99.1 atop Craig Fox's WOLF (AM) tower in Syracuse. Not long after WTKW went on the air, Frank sold WTKW to Levine's group in exchange for a substantial interest in the station group (now Galaxy Communications). Frank then continued for quite a few years to consult for Levine, mostly on technical matters. For several years before he died, Frank's main avocation was building a palatial home on the shores of Oneida Lake in Cicero, north of Syracuse. In the entrance lobby of that house was a brass WXKW sign, which, on the night after the original WXKW's last day on the air, Frank had, umm, liberated from the front of the bank building in downtown Albany where the first WXKW had its studios. It had been Frank's intention to place that sign over the door of his FM station--but he was unable to get the call-letter assignment. As I said in an earlier post, Frank named his dog TK (a really handsome and smart German Shepard with a wonderful disposition) after the radio station. TK was a much better name for a dog than XK would have been. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote, > regarding the WXKW callsign: > > >> It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would >> seem... >> > > WXKW also inspired the call letters for another station years later. > When Ed Levine put his new station at 99.5 FM in Bridgeport > (Syracuse) NY on the air, he gave it the call letters WTKW, in honor > of WXKW. As far as being lucky/unlucky, WTKW does seem to "hold > their own ground", but they are by no means a ratings powerhouse in > the market. > > Matt Osborne > Rotterdam, NY > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 14 07:01:11 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:01:11 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <001401ca1b0e$27068030$75138090$@net>, <32ED2A8B025E4C2EA146E89B933448F2@skywaves.com>, <93AF70DE87FB4081A12D0E62B0969B82@johnster1><4A83A468.2649.AF1F42@joe.attorneyross.com> <2A387F2D44DB4BE88EF744BE0C59C512@skywaves.com> <45103BE5213E4E3CA2210F5C6E240E33@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <0EECA884BD4A4FCEB9F6A52DE1B9DF76@SatU205S5044> You've got the protection story kinda backwards. WXKW got protection from WHDH at night because WHDH had to protect KOA. As I reported in one of my earlier posts, WXKW was DA-1. It protected the much older WHDH day and night. WXKW's six-tower pattern was an inverted figure eight on a north-south axis. The major lobe was, of course, to the north--toward Albany and Troy. Schenectady was in the main lobe but somewhat off to the west side. As a result, the signal in Schenectady was only so-so. Besides protecting WHDH, the broad, deep null to the east protected first-adjacent WNAW North Adams, a 250W daytimer on 860 (now WSBS Great Barrington). WXKW's lobe to the south was quite substantial. Though not as strong as the lobe to the north, thanks to the good soil conductivity in the Hudson Valley, it was quite strong enough to make for a good signal as far south as Kingston--at least during the daytime. I remember listening to a strong signal from WXKW on a vacation at Huletts Landing on Lake George--probably in 1950. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "John Mullaney" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > Fascinating. > > So I guess WHDH only got nighttime groundwave protection because KOA > was already out there as a 1A. > > What was the tower orientation? It must have been either NS or EW to > get deep nulls east and west. > > -d > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Dave Doherty" ; "A. Joseph Ross" > ; "John Mullaney" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > > >> >> WXKW was on 850. It ran its daily tests at 8:00AM, 10AM, 12:30PM >> and, >> I think, 3:00PM with 15W ND from a little transmitter in the ATU >> building of one of the six 300' Blaw-Knox self-supporting towers. >> There were battery-powered calibrated receivers and Esterline-Angus >> strip-chart recorders at three null points, all to the west of the >> Selkirk site. They were mounted in little buildings that resembled >> the >> world's neatest, cleanest outhouses. The issues were with KOA, not >> with WHDH. General Electric, which then owned WGY, was not happy >> about >> having a 10 kW station on WGY's fourth-adjacent channel only 20 >> miles >> or so from the WGY transmitter, and since GE had once also owned >> KOA, >> the connections between WGY and KOA were good. It is alleged that >> GE >> resolved to hound WXKW off the air--and they succeeded. >> >> If you think about it, both 840 and 860 were impossible for a >> full-time station in Albany. In those days, Canadian IAs' skywave >> service was protected within the US as well as in Canada, So there >> was >> no hope of using 860 at night, with CJBC only a couple of hundred >> miles away. In addition what is now WSBS Great Barrington (2.2 >> kW-ND-D) was then WNAW North Adams (250W ND-D). I don't think North >> Adams is quite 40 miles from Selkirk. WXKW's deep null to the east >> protected both WNAW and WHDH. As for 840, in those days, WHAS's 0.5 >> mV/m 50% skywave contour extended well past Albany. Since then, the >> FCC has changed its formulas for locating those contours, so Albany >> is >> probably outside of the contour but not far enough for a station >> with >> any substantial night power. >> >> The Thruway construction had nothing to do with WXKW's demise. WXKW >> had long since bit the bullet by the time the Thruway was in >> land-taking mode--especially for thre Berkshire Extension, which >> runs >> right through what was the WXKW site. WROW bought the license and >> took >> the station dark in a move related to Capital District TV network >> affiliations in anticipation of the end of the early '50s >> TV-construction freeze. >> >> I believe the longest stint that the WXKW calls have had on any >> station was on 1470 in Allentown PA. My friend, the late Frank >> Toce, >> wanted WXKW for the FM he built in Bridgeport NY near Syracuse. The >> calls were in use, though, so he had to settle for WTKW. He named >> his >> dog TK after the FM station. I don't think that naming the dog XK >> would have worked very well. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Doherty" >> To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" >> ; "John Mullaney" >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:27 PM >> Subject: WXKW Albany >> >> >>> Hi Dan- >>> >>> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of the old >>> timers in Albany early in my career. >>> >>> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed from the >>> start because they could never make the pattern work, and the >>> Thruway made them an offer they couldn't refuse for their property >>> sometime around 1954. >>> >>> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to 10W-ND >>> for a few seconds to record the signal level in the direction of >>> Boston at some remote logging site. That would have put them on >>> 840 >>> or 860, I guess, because they were somewhere in the 800's and they >>> certainly could not have been co-channel to WHDH. >>> >>> There was another WXKW in Albany later on - the 1600 in >>> Mechanicville that now appears to be gone. >>> >>> It's a pretty cool call sign, but very unlucky, it would seem... >>> >>> -Dave Doherty >>> Skywaves Consulting LLC >>> PO Box 4 >>> Millbury, MA 01527 >>> 401-354-2400 >>> 202-370-6357 (DC) >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 14 07:06:40 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:06:40 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <608312.6969.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9597C09868AE494ABECB76622584A5E7@SatU205S5044> No, as I explained in another post, it actually makes no sense at all. At least since NARBA, 3/31/1941, there have been no prohibited overlaps of AM signals 40-kHz apart. That's why KOA had to be involved. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > Actually, I believe they were indeed on AM 850 - co-channel to WHDH, > and only 40 kc above WGY. The story I heard was that the moment > they first went on the air WGY immediately filed lawsuits and FCC > complaints that they were interfering with them, which prevented > them from ever getting beyond the Special Temporary Authority phase > of licensing. That is what doomed them... > > That's a neat story about recording the signal level toward Boston - > I had never heard it before, but it makes perfect sense given the > frequency used. > > Matt Osborne > Rotterdam, NY > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Dave Doherty wrote: > > >> I heard some stories about WXKW when working with some of >> the old timers in Albany early in my career. >> >> The broad picture I got was that it was basically doomed >> from the start because they could never make the pattern >> work, and the Thruway made them an offer they couldn't >> refuse for their property sometime around 1954. >> >> One story I heard was that every hour they had to switch to >> 10W-ND for a few seconds to record the signal level in the >> direction of Boston at some remote logging site. That would >> have put them on 840 or 860, I guess, because they were >> somewhere in the 800's and they certainly could not have >> been co-channel to WHDH. >> > > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 14 08:13:59 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:13:59 -0400 Subject: GE radio ownership References: <19076.58731.226957.388358@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: >>When did GE cease to have an attributable interest (to use the modern terminology) in RCA? I believe it was in the mid-'30s, and was mandated by the federal government, which perceived it to be at least bordering on a monopoly. Westinghouse also had an interest in RCA. That GE and Westinghouse manufactured radios had something to do with it. GE and Westinghouse briefly licensed out their stations to RCA in the early '30s, which was what led to RCA/NBC's eventual outright acquisition of KGO. Ironic that GE now owns NBC (and that Westinghouse bought CBS). -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: GE radio ownership > < said: > >> I've sometimes wondered why GE, with its deep pockets, never >> expanded its broadcasting interests early on in the way that >> Westinghouse did. (It sold KGO to NBC back in the '30s, if memory >> serves). > > When did GE cease to have an attributable interest (to use the modern > terminology) in RCA? > > (Speaking of KGO, by the way, there's a great article out there on the > Web describing NBC's West Coast Radio City, including the KGO/KPO > studios.) > > -GAWollman > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Aug 14 08:19:28 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:19:28 -0400 Subject: transmitter tinkering at the Pru? Message-ID: <3C5E3614B65A47389D724DC5831F25A0@fs.uml.edu> Just about the time the big BZ/BCN/BMX switcheroo was announced, I lost the HD signals coming from the Pru on both my HD radios. I am 28 miles North of Boston and never had any trouble with HD before this. Both radios *detect* HD, but neither one is able to lock on. I am wondering if work had to be done up at the transmitters to prepare for the changes and someone forgot to flip a switch when they were done. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Aug 14 11:10:29 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:10:29 -0400 Subject: GE, Westinghouse, and RCA Message-ID: >From Godfrey and Leigh's Historical Dictionary of American Radio, an at-least-partial explanation of why GE and Westinghouse were forced to divest their interests in RCA: http://books.google.com/books?id=4l_2kkv5aeMC&pg=PA336&lpg=PA336&dq=General+Electric+Westinghouse+RCA&source=bl&ots=Q4y0Gde1KU&sig=zK91OVR492lnfFffaN7KoGWZ_l8&hl=en&ei=LH2FSrDlOKaUtgfnj4ivCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=General%20Electric%20Westinghouse%20RCA&f=false -Doug From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 14 14:53:02 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:53:02 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany Message-ID: <380-22009851418532562@ix.netcom.com> Dan, thanks for the correction re spacing. I looked back at my calcs, & did have 283 for 5-tower length geeze, misquoting myself. > From: Dan.Strassberg > . 283 degrees would be the end-to-end spacing for either > possible group of five of the six towers. wish I'd seen the towers from the train also, to others, the section of Thruway that later went by the orig WXKW site is ~n-s, thus not the Berksire extension, which connents to Thruway n-s section south of Selkirk. Bob / Madpro From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 14 15:18:47 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:18:47 -0400 Subject: WXKW Albany References: <380-22009851418532562@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Even though the towers were in a north-south line, I believe that the Berkshire spur, which does indeed run east and west, must leave the main Thruway and cut directly through what was once the WXKW property before cutting across the couple of miles to the Hudson and crossing the River via the Selkirk bridge (which probably has a name that I definitely don't know). Someone in this thread described WXKW the site as being 10 miles south of Albany. I can't prove it, but I believe that the distance from the State Capitol building was probably more like 13 miles. The site location must have involved a compromise. It was probably as far south of Albany as it could be and still deliver the desired signal strength to Albany and Troy, but it couldn't be too far north (that is too close to Albany) because the designer had to minimize the number of degrees that Schenectady was off the pattern axis to maximize the signal in that city. The signal in Albany and Troy was very strong; in Schenectady, not so much. ----- Dan Strassberg eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: WXKW Albany > Dan, thanks for the correction re spacing. > I looked back at my calcs, & did have 283 for 5-tower length > geeze, misquoting myself. > >> From: Dan.Strassberg >> . 283 degrees would be the end-to-end spacing for either >> possible group of five of the six towers. > > wish I'd seen the towers from the train > > > also, to others, the section of Thruway > that later went by the orig WXKW site is ~n-s, > thus not the Berksire extension, > which connents to Thruway n-s section south of Selkirk. > > Bob / Madpro > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Aug 14 17:19:50 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:19:50 -0400 Subject: WBCN's Final Hours In-Reply-To: <22831558.1250225801740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22831558.1250225801740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I seem to remember a station in NY doing this for a while in the 70's. I think it was on 104.3, while WNCN was on hiatus. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, Ontario Sent from my iPod Touch Big freekin deal! On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > From: "John" : > >> And didn't WBCN bring Quadraphonic Stereo to Boston >> Rock Radio back in the mid 70's? > > Yes, but since there weren't many albums recorded in > discrete true quadrophonic, they used a system which > "synthesized" quadrophonic by sending a different EQ > between the front and rear speakers, the rears being > fed by material out-of-phase to the front, causing > some phase cancellation when listening on a mono > radio. > > WAAF may have also briefly done this. > > EP > > > From billohno@gmail.com Fri Aug 14 18:28:39 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:28:39 -0400 Subject: CBS switcheroo update In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC550556D80B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <19074.10578.313848.195418@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4A8301A4.2020300@ttlc.net>, <4A830897.1080400@gmail.com> <4A83A468.3273.AF2169@joe.attorneyross.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC55040B298B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4A84AF76.8040405@gmail.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC550556D80B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4A85E517.2020008@gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > "I don't believe I suggested placing such a product on HD-2 or 3." > > Effectively, you did, since the HD1 must simulcast the analog channel per FCC rules. > Um, Sid, I'll be right back. I'm looking for my slide-rule and horn-rimmed glasses with the white tape on the nose-piece. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 15 07:04:38 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:04:38 -0400 Subject: Trops Message-ID: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> Very strong this morning (Saturday, 8/16, from Cape Cod and Rhode Island) 103.7 and 105.1 booming in; 107.5 coming in very nicely--it doesn't seem to be bothered by WAAF at all (or vice versa). But what is 101.9? IDs as Cool 102, but I have not caught a legal. In fact, I have not caught a legal on WFCC either. Plenty of mentions of Cape Cod, but nothing that I've heard that mentions the CoL (Chatham, isn't it?) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Aug 15 07:23:00 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:23:00 -0400 Subject: Trops In-Reply-To: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Cool 102 is WCIB. Both them and WFCC do legally ID. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA On Aug 15, 2009, at 7:04 AM, "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Very strong this morning (Saturday, 8/16, from Cape Cod and Rhode > Island) 103.7 and 105.1 booming in; 107.5 coming in very nicely--it > doesn't seem to be bothered by WAAF at all (or vice versa). But what > is 101.9? IDs as Cool 102, but I have not caught a legal. In fact, I > have not caught a legal on WFCC either. Plenty of mentions of Cape > Cod, but nothing that I've heard that mentions the CoL (Chatham, isn't > it?) > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 15 07:40:25 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:40:25 -0400 Subject: Trops References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Oops! Today is Saturday 8/15, NOT 8/16 as I wrote. Also, I left out 104.7 and I'm sure lots of others that I haven't even checked. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: Trops > Very strong this morning (Saturday, 8/16, from Cape Cod and Rhode > Island) 103.7 and 105.1 booming in; 107.5 coming in very nicely--it > doesn't seem to be bothered by WAAF at all (or vice versa). But what > is 101.9? IDs as Cool 102, but I have not caught a legal. In fact, I > have not caught a legal on WFCC either. Plenty of mentions of Cape > Cod, but nothing that I've heard that mentions the CoL (Chatham, > isn't > it?) > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > From dave@skywaves.net Sat Aug 15 22:59:55 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:59:55 -0400 Subject: Trops References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <167BC37292B149F3B80AF43F17FD338E@skywaves.com> Hi Dan- Strange weather today on the Eastern Cape. Variable fog in port late morning at Falmouth, but severe-clear a mile north of the docks. The forecast was for clear weather and 1 foot seas, but reality was 1/2 mile visibility and confused seas at three to five feet. Quite a different ride than expected out to Vineyard Haven. The return late afternoon was absolutely as forecast. I have no idea what was going on, but maybe the strange weather had something to do with the strange propagation... -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: Trops > > Very strong this morning (Saturday, 8/16, from Cape Cod and Rhode > Island) 103.7 and 105.1 booming in; 107.5 coming in very nicely--it > doesn't seem to be bothered by WAAF at all (or vice versa). But what > is 101.9? IDs as Cool 102, but I have not caught a legal. In fact, I > have not caught a legal on WFCC either. Plenty of mentions of Cape > Cod, but nothing that I've heard that mentions the CoL (Chatham, isn't > it?) > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Aug 15 23:48:53 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:48:53 -0500 Subject: Mike Thomas at BZ-FM Message-ID: <4fc429770908152048u587d9dees8d2d446b06dffbf3@mail.gmail.com> I see the PD for WBZ-FM is Mike Thomas. That can't possibly be the same person from the WTBS Night Owl days. Last I heard that Mike was running a cable company in RI From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 16 06:26:31 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:26:31 -0400 Subject: Trops References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> <167BC37292B149F3B80AF43F17FD338E@skywaves.com> Message-ID: Can't comment on the weather on the Cape but what I found remarkable (or at least unusual) was how sustained the listening conditions were. I have not checked yet this AM, but yesterday, it seemed as though the reception up here of stations from down there continued unabated for nearly 24 hours. Maybe someone who is more of an FM DX enthusiast than I am will comment, but my experience with trops openings is that an opening that lasts six to eight hours is a lengthy one and that openings of a couple of hours duration are the most common. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Doherty" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Trops > Hi Dan- > > Strange weather today on the Eastern Cape. > > Variable fog in port late morning at Falmouth, but severe-clear a > mile north of the docks. The forecast was for clear weather and 1 > foot seas, but reality was 1/2 mile visibility and confused seas at > three to five feet. Quite a different ride than expected out to > Vineyard Haven. > > The return late afternoon was absolutely as forecast. > > I have no idea what was going on, but maybe the strange weather had > something to do with the strange propagation... > > -d > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "Boston Radio Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:04 AM > Subject: Trops > > >> >> Very strong this morning (Saturday, 8/16, from Cape Cod and Rhode >> Island) 103.7 and 105.1 booming in; 107.5 coming in very nicely--it >> doesn't seem to be bothered by WAAF at all (or vice versa). But >> what >> is 101.9? IDs as Cool 102, but I have not caught a legal. In fact, >> I >> have not caught a legal on WFCC either. Plenty of mentions of Cape >> Cod, but nothing that I've heard that mentions the CoL (Chatham, >> isn't >> it?) >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 16 06:30:06 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:30:06 -0400 Subject: Mike Thomas at BZ-FM References: <4fc429770908152048u587d9dees8d2d446b06dffbf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How about the Mike Thomas who has been a long, long-time poster to this list? In his posts, he sounds extremely knowledgeable as well as strongly opinionated. I think he is from New Hampshire. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:48 PM Subject: Mike Thomas at BZ-FM >I see the PD for WBZ-FM is Mike Thomas. That can't possibly be the > same person from the WTBS Night Owl days. > > Last I heard that Mike was running a cable company in RI From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 16 15:05:40 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:05:40 -0400 Subject: WUNR studios Message-ID: <19080.22660.132584.22089@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Does anyone know when WUNR moved from the Hoffman Building (160 North Washington Street) to 60 Temple Place? -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Aug 16 17:53:47 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:53:47 -0400 Subject: Mike Thomas at BZ-FM In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770908152048u587d9dees8d2d446b06dffbf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A08BCE2-2ADA-4C79-9F1C-2CDFD0E61B51@charter.net> I was "Mike Thomas" on this list for a long time. That was the air name I used in Portsmouth & Worcester. Since I've been off the air for awhile now, I reverted to my real name a couple of years ago. While I did work in NH for awhile, I live in the 'Boros. The Mike Thomas that programs WZLX & WBZ-FM came to this market several years ago. He programed rock stations around the country before that. I doubt it's the same guy from the WTBS days. Dave Tomm Formerly known as "Mike Thomas" On Aug 16, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > How about the Mike Thomas who has been a long, long-time poster to > this list? In his posts, he sounds extremely knowledgeable as well as > strongly opinionated. I think he is from New Hampshire. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:48 PM > Subject: Mike Thomas at BZ-FM > > >> I see the PD for WBZ-FM is Mike Thomas. That can't possibly be the >> same person from the WTBS Night Owl days. >> >> Last I heard that Mike was running a cable company in RI > From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Aug 17 10:55:36 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: Trops In-Reply-To: References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> <167BC37292B149F3B80AF43F17FD338E@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <1FAD078A-3F16-4B35-A7A4-D67B3A42C998@charter.net> I received numerous Cape Cod and Providence stations as strong as locals while in Amherst, NH on Thursday evening. Paul From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Aug 17 18:33:29 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:33:29 -0400 Subject: Trops In-Reply-To: <1FAD078A-3F16-4B35-A7A4-D67B3A42C998@charter.net> References: <2EA5DB50754948778D91F95106F32A0F@SatU205S5044> <167BC37292B149F3B80AF43F17FD338E@skywaves.com> <1FAD078A-3F16-4B35-A7A4-D67B3A42C998@charter.net> Message-ID: <002301ca1f8a$bf3e75d0$3dbb6170$@net> > I received numerous Cape Cod and Providence stations as strong as > locals while in Amherst, NH on Thursday evening. Not being one to brag, I usually don't post on this list about my tropo catches. The last few days have been quite good, mostly in the evenings and mornings. Last night, my best catches were 94.5 WCMS, 97.1 WYND, and 104.9 WFMZ, all over 500 miles from Eastern NC. Having an outside antenna makes all the difference, mine is the APS-13. That combined with the Sangean HDT-1X, which is very selective and has very good RDS pickup, make DXing FM still enjoyable even with all the IBOC around. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:24:19 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:24:19 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> The tower is still standing but with recent activity in the area, it destroyed the conduit which powers the transmitter that runs underground. The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power and will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. The University is considering selling the license. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 09:24:19 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:24:19 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> The tower is still standing but with recent activity in the area, it destroyed the conduit which powers the transmitter that runs underground. The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power and will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. The University is considering selling the license. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 15:57:59 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:57:59 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EB6BFE21394446F8AF8A0D2BB085EE0@Mark> Paul Walker wrote: > The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power > and > will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, > their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. What was the format on WDCR in recent years? Didn't they simulcast WFRD in years past? Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:59:09 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <1EB6BFE21394446F8AF8A0D2BB085EE0@Mark> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <1EB6BFE21394446F8AF8A0D2BB085EE0@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908191259w5747c264k8c13f703a19e515b@mail.gmail.com> I can only guess from what little i know, but I think WDCR-AM's format was what is now WebDCR.com. Paul Walker On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Paul Walker wrote: > > The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power >> and >> will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, >> their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. >> > > What was the format on WDCR in recent years? Didn't they simulcast WFRD in > years past? > > Mark Watson > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 13:01:59 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:01:59 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> Another broadcast icon passed today - Don Hewitt who created CBS News. I saw Hewitt give a lecture at Harvard years ago. Told the story of how the City of Boston was going to ruin CBS with a lawsuit over this program in 1961. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/05/25/publiceye/entry2851759.shtml WHDH-TV almost lost the coveted CBS affilation when they buckled to Mayor Collins demanding the show not air in Boston. Paley tried to buy another station in Boston but there were no options. The show did air on Channel 12 and also Channel 9 From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 15:57:59 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:57:59 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EB6BFE21394446F8AF8A0D2BB085EE0@Mark> Paul Walker wrote: > The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power > and > will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, > their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. What was the format on WDCR in recent years? Didn't they simulcast WFRD in years past? Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 16:32:54 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:32:54 -0400 Subject: Don Hewitt References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Another broadcast icon passed today - Don Hewitt who created CBS News. Ironic that Don Hewitt passed just over a month after Walter Cronkite left us. He created 60 Minutes, which premiered in Sept. 1968 and is still a Sunday evening staple to this day. Was Mr. Hewitt involved in Walter Cronkite's NH Primary broadcast from WMUR's garage in 1968? Mark Watson From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 19 16:49:52 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:49:52 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The tower is still standing but with recent activity in the area, it > destroyed the conduit which powers the transmitter that runs underground. > The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power and > will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, > their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. > The University is considering selling the license. And you read this where? Please credit your sources. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:54:47 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:54:47 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> My source would be the Associate Dean & Executive Officer for the Dean of the College Office at Dartmouth, Mr. Gordon H. Taylor himself. I've spoken to him on the phone several times, including this morning and exchanged several emails with him. The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and very minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the tower OFF Dartmouth University property. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said: > > > The tower is still standing but with recent activity in the area, it > > destroyed the conduit which powers the transmitter that runs underground. > > > The station should be back on the air sometime today via generator power > and > > will most likely be a simulcast of WebDCR.com or Dartmouth's 99.3 WFRD, > > their 6000 Watt commercial rock station. > > > The University is considering selling the license. > > And you read this where? > > Please credit your sources. > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 16:58:25 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:58:25 -0500 Subject: Don Hewitt In-Reply-To: <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770908191358o30f66d9cgb28401492373cc31@mail.gmail.com> Hewitt was there along with Mr Rooney in the background. Wherever Walter went so did the A team. BTW somehow my cat ate the subject line. Sorry From sid@wrko.com Wed Aug 19 16:44:09 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:44:09 -0600 Subject: Don Hewitt In-Reply-To: <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A04258@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "Ironic that Don Hewitt passed just over a month after Walter Cronkite left us." Ironic also that Hewitt, who coined the term "anchorman" in television news, died a month after Cronkite, the person to whom that term was first applied. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 17:11:02 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:11:02 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com><19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> Paul Walker wrote: > The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and very > minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the > tower > OFF Dartmouth University property. IIRC the tower is (or was) on or adjacent to an athletic field on the Dartmouth University campus, and was painted green and white. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 17:16:40 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:16:40 -0400 Subject: Don Hewitt References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> <38AF7623828B4F739210698699AC9AA3@Mark> <4fc429770908191358o30f66d9cgb28401492373cc31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1CE50231F3A64252A08A243851C9F4DF@Mark> Kevin vahey wrote: > Hewitt was there along with Mr Rooney in the background. Wherever > Walter went so did the A team. > > BTW somehow my cat ate the subject line. Sorry I was reading that after Hewitt retired from 60 Minutes CBS kept him on their payroll, signing him to a contract until his 90th birthday, but the last TV program he produced was a Radio City Music Hall Rockettes holiday special for NBC a few years back. Wonder if he got the blessings of CBS to do so? Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 17:22:41 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:22:41 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908191422o1e62c9c8mf5be05d494eb2794@mail.gmail.com> The tower, as far as I know, is STILL standing in it's original location before it went silent. Ir is adjacent to an athletic field and was taken silent when stuff was severly damaged with construction going on nearby. That "stuff" included the ground system. I'd be interested if anyone hears this as to how far the signal goes and what programming is on the air. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Paul Walker wrote: > > The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and very >> minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the >> tower >> OFF Dartmouth University property. >> > > IIRC the tower is (or was) on or adjacent to an athletic field on the > Dartmouth University campus, and was painted green and white. > > Mark Watson > > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 19 18:01:58 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and very > minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the tower > OFF Dartmouth University property. Would a buyer actually want the tower? I think if you have to change transmitter sites anyway, the only thing it makes sense to do is to try to diplex it with Bob Vinikoor's 1490 down in Lebanon, or put up a Valcom fiberglass pole somewhere -- those are probably the only possiblities to get it back on the air reasonably expeditiously. Or else get a cell operator to let you skirt the tower. (Ed Perry has done some of those, including Vinikoor's IIRC.) -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 18:03:32 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:03:32 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> I doubt a buyer would want the tower and I doubt you can move much outside Hanover and still Deliver a city grade signal during the day and 80 percent interference free signal at night. The area has very strict regulations concerning towers, so a temporary longwire or a Valcolm whip would be the only solutions. Paul Walker On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said: > > > The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and > very > > minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the > tower > > OFF Dartmouth University property. > > Would a buyer actually want the tower? I think if you have to change > transmitter sites anyway, the only thing it makes sense to do is > to try to diplex it with Bob Vinikoor's 1490 down in Lebanon, or put > up a Valcom fiberglass pole somewhere -- those are probably the only > possiblities to get it back on the air reasonably expeditiously. Or > else get a cell operator to let you skirt the tower. (Ed Perry has > done some of those, including Vinikoor's IIRC.) > > -GAWollman > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 19 18:20:34 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:20:34 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I doubt a buyer would want the tower and I doubt you can move much outside > Hanover and still Deliver a city grade signal during the day and 80 percent > interference free signal at night. But Hanover has four full-time stations, so there wouldn't be any problem in moving one of them to some place else -- say, West Lebanon, where it would be first-local-service. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Wed Aug 19 16:23:15 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:23:15 -0600 Subject: In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A041D1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "I saw Hewitt give a lecture at Harvard years ago. Told the story of how the City of Boston was going to ruin CBS with a lawsuit over this program in 1961. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/05/25/publiceye/entry2851759.shtml WHDH-TV almost lost the coveted CBS affilation when they buckled to Mayor Collins demanding the show not air in Boston. Paley tried to buy another station in Boston but there were no options." According to Fred Friendly, the producer most associated with Edward R. Murrow and later president of CBS News, CBS lawyers advised the network to black out the program in Boston. They had due-process concerns about any trials that might arise from the charges made in the program. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 19 21:46:26 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:46:26 -0400 Subject: Jerry Remy Returning To NESN Broadcast Booth Friday Message-ID: Former Red Sox player and NESN color commentator Jerry Remy will be returning to the broadcast booth on Friday. He has been on a leave of absence since May to recuperate from the effects of surgery for lung cancer last fall. Remy will be working part time for now, according to the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/08/remy_returning.html Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 19 22:27:27 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:27:27 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com><19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com><19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: These days "wouldn't be any problem" usually turns out to be an overly optimistic assessment, even with little ND Class C AMs. They must now serve at least 80% of the CoL population at night, and with the high NIF's on graveyard channels, that often turns out to be either difficult or impossible to accomplish. For example, doing it from a cell tower that is not also used by another Class C AM licensed to the same community can be quite problematic in communities in which the population is not tightly concentrated in a small geographic area. The commission has been known to make prospective owners of Class Cs that have lost their Tx sites apply repeatedly for different sites before approving a site that met even the minimal technical standards for the station class. It helps if the abandoned operation fell well below the minimum accrptable nighttime coverage. Then the FCC will accept a proposal that covers more of the CoL population than the old operation, even if it doesn't come close to serving 80% of the CoL population. (Ref: KYPA.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Cc: "bri" Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: WDCR-AM 1340 > < said: > >> I doubt a buyer would want the tower and I doubt you can move much >> outside >> Hanover and still Deliver a city grade signal during the day and 80 >> percent >> interference free signal at night. > > But Hanover has four full-time stations, so there wouldn't be any > problem in moving one of them to some place else -- say, West > Lebanon, > where it would be first-local-service. > > -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 19 23:41:48 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:41:48 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > These days "wouldn't be any problem" usually turns out to be an overly > optimistic assessment, even with little ND Class C AMs. They must now > serve at least 80% of the CoL population at night, and with the high > NIF's on graveyard channels, that often turns out to be either > difficult or impossible to accomplish. For example, doing it from a > cell tower that is not also used by another Class C AM licensed to the > same community can be quite problematic in communities in which the > population is not tightly concentrated in a small geographic area. But if Vinikoor's 1490 can do it from a cell tower in Lebanon, then a 1340 could presumably work there too (assuming there are no issues with adjacent channels). (It turns out, by the way, that I was wrong: Lebanon is a city, so West Lebanon doesn't exist as an independent place to be served. The 1490 is licensed to Lebanon and was granted as a new station in 2004 from the last AM window in 2000.) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 20 00:08:53 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:08:53 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19084.52309.56907.160033@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < But if Vinikoor's 1490 can do it from a cell tower in Lebanon, then a > 1340 could presumably work there too (assuming there are no issues > with adjacent channels). In digging through his application, it appears that the cell antennas came later, or at least that he built the tower with the expectation of having cell tenants on it. It's also guy-wire top-loaded, which I did not know. It's electrically a half wave on 1490, which would be about 0.45 wave on 1340. He shows a rather odd 25.5-mV contour for an omni, which is apparently the result of using the ground-conductivity data that he collected for his WQTH application. (1490's NIF is 25.5 mV/m, and the tower was sited specifically to put as much of the population of Lebanon as possible within that contour.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 20 00:58:58 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:58:58 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8CD812.21821.4F6BE4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Aug 2009 at 12:01, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WHDH-TV almost lost the coveted CBS affilation when they buckled to > Mayor Collins demanding the show not air in Boston. Paley tried to > buy another station in Boston but there were no options. > > The show did air on Channel 12 and also Channel 9 Channel 9? An ABC affiliate? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 20 00:59:02 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:59:02 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A041D1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com>, <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A041D1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:23, Sid Schweiger wrote: > According to Fred Friendly, the producer most associated with Edward > R. Murrow and later president of CBS News, CBS lawyers advised the > network to black out the program in Boston. They had due-process > concerns about any trials that might arise from the charges made in > the program. Which is also what Uncle Walter says in the introduction to the rebroadcast. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Aug 19 23:50:31 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:50:31 -0500 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908192050l23953d1eh5026341edc2c6069@mail.gmail.com> Just because "West Lebanon" doesn't exsist as an independent place to be served, doesn't mean someone can't try. Applications for new AM stations in "West Simsbury, CT" and "June Park, FL" come to mine. The later being nothing more then a mobile home park of a few hundred people in West Melbourne, FL (which IS a town!) 1490 WUVR is far enough away frequency wise where a diplex would work. The reccomended distance is usually at least 180Khz, but I've seen it as close as 80Khz in one case at the very upper right end of the dial in Orlando, Florida.. and it was a disaster. Comparing WUVR's coverage on 1490 with 640W, WDCR with 1KW would cover Hanover just fine by day, but it would be questionable at night, depending on a number of factors including incoming interference, efficeny of the new tower, etc Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < dan.strassberg@att.net> said: > > > These days "wouldn't be any problem" usually turns out to be an overly > > optimistic assessment, even with little ND Class C AMs. They must now > > serve at least 80% of the CoL population at night, and with the high > > NIF's on graveyard channels, that often turns out to be either > > difficult or impossible to accomplish. For example, doing it from a > > cell tower that is not also used by another Class C AM licensed to the > > same community can be quite problematic in communities in which the > > population is not tightly concentrated in a small geographic area. > > But if Vinikoor's 1490 can do it from a cell tower in Lebanon, then a > 1340 could presumably work there too (assuming there are no issues > with adjacent channels). (It turns out, by the way, that I was wrong: > Lebanon is a city, so West Lebanon doesn't exist as an independent > place to be served. The 1490 is licensed to Lebanon and was granted > as a new station in 2004 from the last AM window in 2000.) > > -GAWollman > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 20 02:02:29 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:02:29 -0400 Subject: Don Hewitt In-Reply-To: <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com> <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A041D1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <19084.59125.463886.710518@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:23, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> According to Fred Friendly, the producer most associated with Edward >> R. Murrow and later president of CBS News, > Which is also what Uncle Walter says in the introduction to the > rebroadcast. It occurs to me, now that Hewitt has passed on, that the only people left from the first flowering of CBS television news may be Mike Wallace, Morley Safer, Andy Rooney, and Roger Mudd. Cronkite, Hewitt, Reasoner, Friendly, Murrow, even executives like Paley, Salant, and Stanton, all gone. (Bob Schieffer didn't join CBS until 1969; the late Ed Bradley didn't start doing television until the 1970s.) -GAWollman From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Aug 20 02:10:37 2009 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:10:37 EDT Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2009 12:19:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: Just because "West Lebanon" doesn't exsist as an independent place to be served, doesn't mean someone can't try. Applications for new AM stations in "West Simsbury, CT" and "June Park, FL" come to mine. ------------------------------------ There's a sign on I-89 that says "West Lebanon". Good enough for me! But seriously, a sub-town CAN be licensed if it is a CDP; stands for "Census Designated Place". One such is Bayside, Virginia, which is a small part of the very large City of Virginia Beach. There's a station there.... "WBVA - 1450 (or 1490) - Bayside". Of course, if you want to be Canadian with a 50kw station, you can generalize it as "CBA Maritime". Maritime is the place (huge region covering 4 provinces), Sackville is (was) the tower site, and Moncton, 30 miles away was the official location. Come to think of it, the call letters aren't legit either!!! CB-- belongs to Chile. ----Bob Bittner From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Aug 20 06:17:56 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:17:56 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com> <19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <19084.30294.419404.704214@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191503h2064f68by3ea5f8de29cc8b30@mail.gmail.com> <19084.31410.803065.282864@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19084.50684.293077.414700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908192050l23953d1eh5026341edc2c6069@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80AC1F049F984633AA1EA0F71BD3DC5D@SatU205S5044> Filters for diplexing of AMs present an analog design problem. I am skeptical of any formula that specifies the minimum frequency spacing directly in kHz, irrespective of the stations' dial positions. The rule of thumb with which I am most familiar is that the frequency difference should exceed 10% of the carrier frequency of the station whose carrier frequency is higher. This rule is nowadays often violated. Some of the most exotic arrangements are in Honolulu, where triplexes are common and I'm pretty sure that there is at least one quadriplex and there may be several. Thank goodness that there are almost no (or maybe just no) directional AMs in Hawaii. The one on 870 (KAIM?) is no longer directional (I think it has also moved from 870), but there may still be a directional AM elsewhere in Hawaii. In any event, using the frequency difference as a percentage of the higher carrier frequency, the two most closely spaced (in frequency) diplexed AMs are in Santa Barbara on 1290 and 1340. 50 kHz is only 3.73% of 1340 kHz. I have no idea what the audio sounds like but I suspect it's pretty muddy (no highs). Locally, WRCA and WKOX (just barely) violate the 10% rule of thumb. 130 kHz is 9.77% of 1330. WBIX used to diplex with WKOX during the daytime (1200-1060)/1200=11.67%. A second closely spaced pair (signfiicant because they are relatively high-powered stations sharing a complex DA) are 1370 and 1500 in San Jose. These violate the 10% rule 130/1500=8.67%. The most closely spaced diplex of two 50-kW AMs is probably 820 and 950 in Seattle 130/950=13.68%. Long ago, 560 and 610 in SanFrancisco were diplexed 50/610=8.2%. 610 is still diplexed, but with a station on 1400 (no frequency-spacing problems with that one!). And 610 is still ND-U, but in those old days 560 was also ND-U. Note that not all cases of AMs sharing a site are diplexes. For example, in Philadelphia, 860 and 950 share a four-tower site, but it is not a diplex. 860 is a daytimer and 950 uses the site only at night. In Syracuse NY, the owner of 1490 and 1540 was planning to have both stations operate from the same site but use different towers. I don't know, however, whether he ever moved 1540 to the 1490 site. Sites that are shared but not diplexed present fewer filtering problems than do true diplexes. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "bri" Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: Re: WDCR-AM 1340 > Just because "West Lebanon" doesn't exsist as an independent place > to be > served, doesn't mean someone can't try. > > Applications for new AM stations in "West Simsbury, CT" and "June > Park, FL" > come to mine. > > The later being nothing more then a mobile home park of a few > hundred people > in West Melbourne, FL (which IS a town!) > > 1490 WUVR is far enough away frequency wise where a diplex would > work. The > reccomended distance is usually at least 180Khz, but I've seen it as > close > as 80Khz in one case at the very upper right end of the dial in > Orlando, > Florida.. and it was a disaster. > > Comparing WUVR's coverage on 1490 with 640W, WDCR with 1KW would > cover > Hanover just fine by day, but it would be questionable at night, > depending > on a number of factors including incoming interference, efficeny of > the new > tower, etc > > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > >> <> dan.strassberg@att.net> said: >> >> > These days "wouldn't be any problem" usually turns out to be an >> > overly >> > optimistic assessment, even with little ND Class C AMs. They must >> > now >> > serve at least 80% of the CoL population at night, and with the >> > high >> > NIF's on graveyard channels, that often turns out to be either >> > difficult or impossible to accomplish. For example, doing it from >> > a >> > cell tower that is not also used by another Class C AM licensed >> > to the >> > same community can be quite problematic in communities in which >> > the >> > population is not tightly concentrated in a small geographic >> > area. >> >> But if Vinikoor's 1490 can do it from a cell tower in Lebanon, then >> a >> 1340 could presumably work there too (assuming there are no issues >> with adjacent channels). (It turns out, by the way, that I was >> wrong: >> Lebanon is a city, so West Lebanon doesn't exist as an independent >> place to be served. The 1490 is licensed to Lebanon and was >> granted >> as a new station in 2004 from the last AM window in 2000.) >> >> -GAWollman >> > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.onairdj.com > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > From sid@wrko.com Thu Aug 20 07:15:22 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:15:22 -0600 Subject: In-Reply-To: <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com>, <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A041D1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A0441F@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> "> According to Fred Friendly, the producer most associated with Edward > R. Murrow and later president of CBS News, CBS lawyers advised the > network to black out the program in Boston. They had due-process > concerns about any trials that might arise from the charges made in > the program. Which is also what Uncle Walter says in the introduction to the rebroadcast." Friendly also noted that once all the trials, resignations, legislative shenaningans, etc., were done, CBS repeated the show ("Biography of a Bookie Joint") and WHDH-TV carried the rerun. He said the attitude of Bostonians was completely different from when the program first ran. The locals hated the program the first time around, especially the Boston police, who weren't exactly portrayed in the best light (i.e., looking the other way while illegal gambling was going on, and being filmed participating in it). By the time the program was rerun and shown in Boston they had turned from villains into heroes. Even though the first run wasn't shown in Boston, supposedly the Boston press went to hotels within range of the Providence and Manchester stations which did run it (yes, WMUR-TV carried it), so it got plenty of local press coverage just the same. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Aug 20 12:09:50 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19085.30030.446454.782658@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < There's a sign on I-89 that says "West Lebanon". Good enough for me! > But seriously, a sub-town CAN be licensed if it is a CDP; stands for > "Census Designated Place". West Lebanon isn't -- I checked before posting. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Aug 20 15:01:29 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:01:29 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV blooper reel from long ago Message-ID: <4fc429770908201201u298785easc363c8094aa03c8e@mail.gmail.com> OMG these are funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAd9F-uKd8 From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Thu Aug 20 19:31:24 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:31:24 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: <9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com><19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com> <9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> Message-ID: <000c01ca21ee$54ec5d30$fec51790$@alternate@gmail.com> WDCR's tower, is currently skirted as it is. http://www.necrat.us/wdcr_proam.html Above are the pictures I took of it 2 years ago. (There was major Construction both on and around the field at the time.) --Mike ---------------- Mike Fitzpatrick WPRI/WNAC -TV Providence, RI. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 17:11 To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Garrett Wollman Cc: bri Subject: Re: WDCR-AM 1340 Paul Walker wrote: > The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment and very > minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move the > tower > OFF Dartmouth University property. IIRC the tower is (or was) on or adjacent to an athletic field on the Dartmouth University campus, and was painted green and white. Mark Watson From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 21 00:27:08 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:27:08 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A0441F@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <4fc429770908191001g4844cfe1k46057d44cb913ea8@mail.gmail.com>, <4A8CD816.31069.4F7A17@joe.attorneyross.com>, <0D5E60C875634E4AA1031FC691BCCC5505A0441F@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4A8E221C.21963.44885E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 20 Aug 2009 at 5:15, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The locals hated the program the first time around, especially the > Boston police, who weren't exactly portrayed in the best light > (i.e., looking the other way while illegal gambling was going on, > and being filmed participating in it). By the time the program was > rerun and shown in Boston they had turned from villains into > heroes. This isn't surprising. By 1963, Boston Police Commissioner Sullivan had been forced out of office, control of the department shifted from the governor to the mayor, and an new commissioner appointed. Ed Brooke had been elected attorney general, giving a high profile to fighting corruption, and an anti-corruption Democratic governor was in office in place of Governor Volpe, who was just as anti-corruption (and possibly more effective) but Republican. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 21 01:20:17 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:20:17 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <8bce0fe80908190624l40b3e8b7h994f07a5ba183ad@mail.gmail.com><19084.25968.578554.75457@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80908191354k3425f792s4524cb5cd722e94f@mail.gmail.com><9A0E8BA96DC549788AC8250E7F15E684@Mark> <000c01ca21ee$54ec5d30$fec51790$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks to be a fairly new tower. For whatever reason, the skirt makes the tower electrically very fat. Should be a very broadband tower--good for IBOC;>(. Do you know whether the tower is grounded at the base? I'd imagine that it would be. Maybe the skirt wires are so far from the tower structure in the hope of avoiding problems with the skirt wires shorting to the tower structure in wind or ice storms. Do you know if that is the reason? Or maybe Dartmouth was thinking of leasing space on the tower for purposes other than AM and the spacing was made wide to avoid mechanical interference between any added antennas and the skirt wires. There appears to be a story here! It could be interesting to get "the r-r-r-rest of the story!" ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fitzpatrick" To: "'bri'" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: RE: WDCR-AM 1340 > WDCR's tower, is currently skirted as it is. > > http://www.necrat.us/wdcr_proam.html > > Above are the pictures I took of it 2 years ago. (There was major > Construction both on and around the field at the time.) > > --Mike > > > > ---------------- > Mike Fitzpatrick > WPRI/WNAC -TV > Providence, RI. > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Mark Watson > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 17:11 > To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Garrett Wollman > Cc: bri > Subject: Re: WDCR-AM 1340 > > Paul Walker wrote: > >> The sale of WDCR, if it happens, will include no studio equipment >> and very >> minimal transmitting equipment. Whoever buys it will have to move >> the >> tower >> OFF Dartmouth University property. > > IIRC the tower is (or was) on or adjacent to an athletic field on > the > Dartmouth University campus, and was painted green and white. > > Mark Watson > > From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Aug 21 03:09:35 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 7:09:35 +0000 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090821070935.2ZMXU.676924.root@hrndva-web02-z01> ---- "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > Looks to be a fairly new tower. For whatever reason, the skirt makes > the tower electrically very fat. Should be a very broadband > tower--good for IBOC;>(. Do you know whether the tower is grounded at > the base? I'd imagine that it would be. Maybe the skirt wires are so > far from the tower structure in the hope of avoiding problems with the > skirt wires shorting to the tower structure in wind or ice storms. Do > you know if that is the reason? Or maybe Dartmouth was thinking of > leasing space on the tower for purposes other than AM and the spacing > was made wide to avoid mechanical interference between any added > antennas and the skirt wires. There appears to be a story here! It > could be interesting to get "the r-r-r-rest of the story!" > never heard a TOWER ask if "this skirt makes me look fat?" before. this is a first for me in 30 years of radio. and just for the sake of discussion - what IS the proper response? i know i usually "hear a noise outside" whenever my wife asks something similar... --Chuck Igo From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 21 06:30:05 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:30:05 -0400 Subject: WDCR-AM 1340 References: <20090821070935.2ZMXU.676924.root@hrndva-web02-z01> Message-ID: <0B88B22A85224D85B3F09BC0067816A1@SatU205S5044> I think, in the case of the question being posed by a tower, the proper response would be something like, "No, not at all, dear; after all, you're quite tall." ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "'bri'" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: Re: WDCR-AM 1340 > > ---- "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: >> Looks to be a fairly new tower. For whatever reason, the skirt >> makes >> the tower electrically very fat. Should be a very broadband >> tower--good for IBOC;>(. Do you know whether the tower is grounded >> at >> the base? I'd imagine that it would be. Maybe the skirt wires are >> so >> far from the tower structure in the hope of avoiding problems with >> the >> skirt wires shorting to the tower structure in wind or ice storms. >> Do >> you know if that is the reason? Or maybe Dartmouth was thinking of >> leasing space on the tower for purposes other than AM and the >> spacing >> was made wide to avoid mechanical interference between any added >> antennas and the skirt wires. There appears to be a story here! It >> could be interesting to get "the r-r-r-rest of the story!" >> > > never heard a TOWER ask if "this skirt makes me look fat?" before. > this is a first for me in 30 years of radio. > and just for the sake of discussion - what IS the proper response? > i know i usually "hear a noise outside" whenever my wife asks > something similar... > > --Chuck Igo From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 21 13:30:28 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:30:28 -0500 Subject: new FM tower enrages Chicago Message-ID: <4fc429770908211030r5415047fkdbbf542b22948d49@mail.gmail.com> Scott and Garrett and all Amazing how a little 75 foot FM tower is upsetting people in Chicago http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2009/08/aon.html From scott@fybush.com Fri Aug 21 17:16:00 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:16:00 -0400 Subject: new FM tower enrages Chicago In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908211030r5415047fkdbbf542b22948d49@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908211030r5415047fkdbbf542b22948d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8F0E90.8040507@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott and Garrett and all > > Amazing how a little 75 foot FM tower is upsetting people in Chicago > > http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2009/08/aon.html > The funny thing is, from the comments you'd think WDRV had just moved to the Aon tower, when in fact it's been there for years, albeit with a very inconspicuous antenna with no radome. If WDRV has to move, it will have to drop power slightly or go with an even more directional antenna, since it's very short-spaced to co-owned WWDV 96.9 Zion IL and several others as well. I'm pretty sure that's why it's stayed at Aon all these years instead of going to Hancock or Sears (yes, SEARS, dammit!) in the first place. s From attychase@comcast.net Sat Aug 22 13:06:13 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:06:13 -0400 Subject: new FM tower enrages Chicago References: Message-ID: It looks like the antenna is set near the edge of the building and that is why it is visible from the street. When one looks at the top view of the building using the satellite view in Google Maps http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=AON+Building,+Chicago,+IL&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=20.006629,35.947266&ie=UTF8&ll=41.885522,-87.621272&spn=0.001797,0.003439&t=h&z=18 one sees that there is space for it to be located in the center of the building, however, they would have to build up structure there to support it. I'll bet if the antenna was located there it would not be visible from the street. Too bad the it appears the building managers continue to not care much about aesthetics. Anybody got any idea exactly where the antenna is located on the building. Is that the sort of thing that would be in the FCC database, if so where can I find it? > Subject: new FM tower enrages Chicago > Scott and Garrett and all > > Amazing how a little 75 foot FM tower is upsetting people in Chicago > > http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2009/08/aon.html From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Sat Aug 22 13:18:14 2009 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:18:14 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV blooper reel from long ago References: <4fc429770908201201u298785easc363c8094aa03c8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A39BBAF9D78457386EED306C7109B9B@teddesktop> Thanks for this Kevin, a true hoot. I remember that sliding weather board and it was always a real pain. Did I hear what I thought I heard in Joyce's K's live shot from the Black Rose? Ah, the joys of live broadcasting! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: WBZ-TV blooper reel from long ago > OMG these are funny > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAd9F-uKd8 > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Aug 23 10:44:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:44:01 -0500 Subject: 42 years ago today on WHDH-AM Message-ID: <4fc429770908230744q485bec48h490f0f671fa6355a@mail.gmail.com> 42 years ago today a Boston DJ wanted to do something for a Red Sox player who was turning 28. The DJ was familar with a ragtime piece from 1923 which I link to here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwSTLpEVWOE His producer-boardman told me he did it in one take http://staffannouncer.com/blog/audio/yazsong.mp3 So Happy 70th birthday Captain Carl and fond memories of the best morning man Boston has ever know, the late Jess Cain From stevewest106@hotmail.com Mon Aug 24 12:09:27 2009 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve Sawyer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:09:27 -0400 Subject: WBCN Retrospective Part 1 Now available online Message-ID: Hi All! I've posted the first of many segments of the final four days of programming on WBCN & WBMX, courtesy of list member Jeff Lehman's recording efforts. I intend to put the entire 8 gigs of recordings he gave me online in a scoped version that takes out the music and commercials to comply with copyright laws. Garrett: I hope posting this isn't a violation of your list rules, I'm a bit unfamiliar with how things work on the list these days as I don't read nearly as often as I used to. I'm sending this because I realize the historical nature of this and I'd like list members to be able to hear this broadcast as featured on Airchexx. Here's the direct link to Part 1: http://airchexx.com/markets/boston/the-end-of-an-era-104-1-wbcn-boston-says-goodbye-part-1-august-8-2009 Jeff, thanks a lot! I got the CD in the mail Saturday. I'll be weeks editing this stuff! - Steve West _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Aug 24 16:20:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:20:41 -0500 Subject: Tom Hadges and Uncle T update Message-ID: <4fc429770908241320i505a3877k1fb8aef1762905b4@mail.gmail.com> Tommy Hadges and Uncle T are alive and well. Tommy asked that this be passed along Sorry for the delay in replying, but my wife & I were on a cruise in Alaska when the end came for BCN. I was sorry to have missed it, but have sent some IDs to Sam for use on the HD channel & audio stream they will be doing of the "classic WBCN" feed. Regarding Tom Gamache, Charles recently made contact with him...he's apparently working as a photographer...you can check out his website www.wanderingaroundoutdoors.com Best regards, Tommy H. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Aug 25 13:03:46 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: WEEI and Globe getting closer Message-ID: <4fc429770908251003x5374ebe5r139918d9f7af2a5b@mail.gmail.com> I noticed that as of yesterday The Globe is now linking to the WEEI audio vault so it would appear there is a little more going on than a simple truce. Also on WEEI.com they seem to have installed cameras in the studio which woild tell me they are getting ready for a simulcast with somebody. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 25 15:57:38 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:57:38 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/213426/red-sox-radio-broadcasts-return-weei So much for the WRKO, er WEEI, er, whatever Red Sox radio network; apparently they are heading back to WEEI (as far as I know WRKO won't carry them at all; maybe during Celtics conflicts?) Perhaps a reaction to presence of Sports Hub. Bad news for me; I work nights and WEEI's signal stinks. Wait till we hear from all the Sox fans who can't pick up WEEI all that well and won't hear the games now. (If I were Entercom I'd simulcast on 93.7 or 97.7 too) >>Entercom New England announced today that, effective with the team?s game against the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, all future Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in Boston, the flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Aug 25 16:01:07 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:01:07 -0500 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO Message-ID: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> Another move to counter 98.5? Entercom announced today that, effective with the team?s game against the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, all future Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in Boston, the flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Aug 25 16:07:13 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090825200723.7A4971EBCE3@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:01 PM 8/25/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Another move to counter 98.5? > >Entercom announced today that, effective with the team's game against >the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, all future >Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in Boston, the >flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. I predicted this. Back before the Sports Hub came onto the scene to create some competition, it really didn't matter in the greater scheme of things whether the games were on WRKO or WEEI (I mean, yeah, it confused the fans, but the revenue remained in the family). But now, I think WEEI wants to be THE sports station, and yes, to counter 98.5,as Kevin suggests. From a programming standpoint, it makes lots of sense. Meanwhile, will there be any other changes on WRKO? From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Aug 25 16:45:03 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:03 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: By day--except in the Needham-Newton-Wellesley area and at night in those places plus most of MetroWest--there are few, if any places, where WRKO doesn't have the better signal. But this doesn't mean that WEEI's signal is bad--only that WRKO's signal is better than WEEI's in more places than where the opposite is true. WRKO has the better transmitter site and the better frequency. Electrically, WEEI has the taller towers, but not enough taller to tip the overall advantage in its favor. Too bad there were compelling reasons for not moving WEEI to Burlington. If the two stations were diplexed from the Burlington site, WRKO would still have the advantage over WEEI, but the advantage would be smaller. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/213426/red-sox-radio-broadcasts-return-weei So much for the WRKO, er WEEI, er, whatever Red Sox radio network; apparently they are heading back to WEEI (as far as I know WRKO won't carry them at all; maybe during Celtics conflicts?) Perhaps a reaction to presence of Sports Hub. Bad news for me; I work nights and WEEI's signal stinks. Wait till we hear from all the Sox fans who can't pick up WEEI all that well and won't hear the games now. (If I were Entercom I'd simulcast on 93.7 or 97.7 too) >>Entercom New England announced today that, effective with the team's >>game against the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, >>all future Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in >>Boston, the flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Tue Aug 25 16:18:09 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:18:09 -0400 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO In-Reply-To: <20090825200723.7A4971EBCE3@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> <20090825200723.7A4971EBCE3@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908251318p57239121x3ebe74b422150965@mail.gmail.com> Again, I really hate this. I might be able to hear the Sox barely, with a mini-FM transmitter, in one part of my workplace, but when I'm out back sorting packages WEEI will be a total no-go. The only possible thing I can do is stay in one spot and hold my Walkman up high to pick up 104.9. My bosses won't like that. See, I'm supposed to be sorting packages. And boomboxes have antennae that are total crap, except maybe for close stations like WMKK 93.7 (hint, hint!) I e-mailed Jason Wolfe to express my DIS-satisfaction. While I will like having Howie on till 7, I won't like having a very tough time picking up games. (Thankfully after awhile at work I move to a place where WEEI comes in--barely. There are sure to be conflicts with Celtics. What happens then? Celts to WRKO? I would really like WMKK 93.7 to pick up Sox games, too (though the folks at WBOQ wouldn't be so happy). Their stick in Peabody is pretty close to where I work. When it was rumored the Sox might go to a "new sports station" which might be WBOS 92.9 I rejoiced. When I heard it was RKO instead I thought, not bad. We can pick them up. Now? For those who have trouble picking up WEEI (yes, WCRN's presence may help, but THEY don't come in well for me at work either), you're not in luck anymore. I don't know what kind of programming changes WRKO has but personally I'd listen to Castiglione and O'Brien over syndie Mike Savage anytime. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Aug 25 16:50:57 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:50:57 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090825205057.51CA1CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Again, wonder if the following would happen...? If... --Format & call switch: WRKO 850 talk radio, WEEI 680 sports talk/Sox/C's --WEEI moves to, or simulcasts on, WMKK 93.7 and/or WKAF 97.7 From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Aug 25 16:36:39 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:36:39 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Bad news for me; I work nights and WEEI's signal stinks. Wait till > we hear from all the Sox fans who > can't pick up WEEI all that well and won't hear the games now. (If I > were Entercom I'd simulcast on > 93.7 or 97.7 too) Most of the difference between WEEI and WRKO is coverage west of Boston, where I would imagine WCRN would come in well. While driving, I have presets for WGHM Nashua, WCRN Worcester and WPKZ Fitchburg. I also had one for WRKO Boston but I'll probably change that now to WTIC Hartford. And since I live in southern New Hampshire, I have WTPL Hillsboro for spotty FM reception. And all of this is only _really_ necessary when they're playing away, as XM Radio has the friendly Sox announcers when they're playing at Fenway. Even with all those stations, the Sox are pretty much unlistenable on terrestrial radio in my town. Paul From francini@mac.com Tue Aug 25 17:31:34 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:31:34 -0400 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0908251318p57239121x3ebe74b422150965@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> <20090825200723.7A4971EBCE3@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0908251318p57239121x3ebe74b422150965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B521E58-0B48-4CDB-8009-BC4EA0C59EBE@mac.com> Wi-Fi radio to pick up the MLB stream off the internet? j On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:18, Bob Nelson wrote: > Again, I really hate this. I might be able to hear the Sox barely, > with a mini-FM > transmitter, in one part of my workplace, but when I'm out back > sorting packages WEEI will be a total no-go. The only possible thing I > can do is stay in one spot and hold my Walkman up high to pick up > 104.9. > > My bosses won't like that. See, I'm supposed to be sorting packages. > > And boomboxes have antennae that are total crap, except maybe for > close stations like WMKK 93.7 (hint, hint!) I e-mailed Jason Wolfe to > express my DIS-satisfaction. While I will like having Howie on till 7, > I won't like having a very tough time picking up games. (Thankfully > after awhile at work I move to a place where WEEI comes in--barely. > > There are sure to be conflicts with Celtics. What happens then? > Celts to WRKO? > > I would really like WMKK 93.7 to pick up Sox games, too (though the > folks at WBOQ wouldn't be so happy). Their stick in Peabody is pretty > close to where I work. > > When it was rumored the Sox might go to a "new sports station" which > might be WBOS 92.9 I rejoiced. When I heard it was RKO instead I > thought, not bad. We can pick them up. > > Now? > > For those who have trouble picking up WEEI (yes, WCRN's presence may > help, > but THEY don't come in well for me at work either), you're not in > luck anymore. > > I don't know what kind of programming changes WRKO has but > personally I'd > listen to Castiglione and O'Brien over syndie Mike Savage anytime. From nostaticatall@charter.net Tue Aug 25 20:42:48 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:42:48 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> Message-ID: <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> Southern NH is tough. The Sox really need to be on an FM there, or get the games back on WGIR-AM at the very least. I live in Worcester county, and WCRN fills the Worcester and Metrowest holes nicely. Once you get south of the Pike, 103.7 kicks in for just about all of Southeast MA and WXTK covers the Cape. 104.9 has the North Shore, and the Red Sox Nation parts of CT is covered by WEEI-FM, WTIC and longtime affiliates WILI/Willimantic and WINY/Putnam. Maine is pretty well covered too. Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's mailroom.... -Dave Tomm On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Bad news for me; I work nights and WEEI's signal stinks. Wait till >> we hear from all the Sox fans who >> can't pick up WEEI all that well and won't hear the games now. (If >> I were Entercom I'd simulcast on >> 93.7 or 97.7 too) > > Most of the difference between WEEI and WRKO is coverage west of > Boston, where I would imagine WCRN would come in well. > > While driving, I have presets for WGHM Nashua, WCRN Worcester and > WPKZ Fitchburg. I also had one for WRKO Boston but I'll probably > change that now to WTIC Hartford. And since I live in southern New > Hampshire, I have WTPL Hillsboro for spotty FM reception. And all > of this is only _really_ necessary when they're playing away, as XM > Radio has the friendly Sox announcers when they're playing at Fenway. > > Even with all those stations, the Sox are pretty much unlistenable > on terrestrial radio in my town. > > Paul From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 25 22:03:32 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:03:32 -0400 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9497F4.3020104@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Another move to counter 98.5? > > Entercom announced today that, effective with the team?s game against > the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, all future > Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in Boston, the > flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. > Tonight, Howie Carr visited Castiglione & O'Brien in the booth as he has on many a Tuesday Night. Said tonight would be his last shot. Castiglione commented "But, it's still all in the same family!" Carr rejoined "I've never considered this company to be my family." From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 22:53:51 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <948086.24982.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last evening the Red Sox were absent from WGAM 1250 / WGHN 900, in southern New Hampshire (again). John B Londonderry From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Aug 25 23:00:33 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:00:33 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <948086.24982.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <948086.24982.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01ca25f9$60dea990$229bfcb0$@net> > Last evening the Red Sox were absent from WGAM 1250 / WGHN 900, in > southern New Hampshire (again). Have they been on there at all this season? I thought it was posted to this list earlier this year that they weren't able to come to an agreement to carry the Sox this year, and that Manchester/Nashua would not have an affiliate? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Aug 26 01:38:02 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:38:02 -0400 Subject: Sen Ted Kennedy is dead Message-ID: <200908260538.n7Q5c2hc067732@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Numerous news sources (Fox Radio and ABC) are reporting that Sen Ted Kennedy has died. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 10:35:22 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:35:22 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's mailroom.... Indeed. Last night I treasured hearing them on WRKO one last time. We have a huge building and where I usually am, sorting letters, has one section near a wall where WEEI comes in pretty well and another section where it's marred by interference, etc. Then in the back of the building is the sorting area for packages where WRKO comes in OK-- IF aided by a mini-FM transmitter--and WEEI, pretty much not at all. WBOQ does come in on a walkman, if you stand in one spot and hold the walkman a certain way. The management, who would like to see me move around as I throw packages into sacks, frowns on me staying in one spot... But there is a chance some of us, perhaps all, may be moving to the South Postal Annex in Boston. Having a longer commute would be bad but I might pick up the Sox games better. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 10:37:59 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:37:59 -0500 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO Message-ID: <20090826143759.D497083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Postal sorting facility; no computer around at least where I am. I do have XM in my car and can hear the Sox wherever I go. I also have NESN as part of my cable but am at work when most games are on. Never mind seeing the games; I'd be happy just to hear them (clearly) at work. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 10:52:33 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:52:33 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090826145234.0729A905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Won't work unless I got a really good boombox; see, the mini-FM transmitter plugs into a headphone jack. Smaller radios, like Walkmen, have headphones becoming your antenna for FM. A small little mini-FM transmitter wouldn't provide enough of an antenna for WBOQ to come in. Even if the Sox were on WMKK, which comes in well, it probably wouldn't work. And the boomboxes people have--well, you might think a Gloucester station would come in fairly well in North Reading but you'd be surprised. Most of the boombox antennae are crap. Yeah, you'll pick up WMKK (stick in Peabody) well. WCRB (Andover) and some of the Boston FMs, but WBOQ? It does come in better, barely, in our lunchroom (WBOQ that is) Radio reception in our postal facility in general stinks. WRKO is great because it's so close. It was even better when we were on Washington St. in Woburn; heck you could see the RKO sticks from the parking lot. WMKK is really strong where we are. If Entercom decided to even just put the Sox on Mike 93.7 (go back to the music after the game) it would be so cool. Mike Lowell 93.7! What's interesting is how well WBZ-FM may do even from the start. It provides an alternative and in static-free, mostly clear FM. We'll see how the ratings do. Meanwhile Entercom, at least in Boston, gives us sports talk on AM, subject to scratchy reception (lousy during thunderstorms; near power wires) if it comes in at all. I do notice by the way that when WEEI goes to a break they will now say "we'll be back in 3 minutes" (they don't want the listeners to think, oh great--here comes a 10 minute break--I'll switch to 98.5") and the sports flash apparently no longer starts with some long quote from a sports figure: now Jim Cutler proclaims, "WEEI Sports Flash!" and they move right in with the scores, etc. A little competition is a magical thing. From francini@mac.com Wed Aug 26 10:56:07 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:56:07 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <40D2230C-0467-4B1A-907A-0FE8469FE072@mac.com> On 26 Aug 2009, at 10:35, Bob Nelson wrote: >>> Right now the big > gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's mailroom.... And that big gaping hole in Southern NH has been bigger lately, as for reasons not known WGHM/WGAM has NOT been carrying the games. Monday night I might have understood as usually the Sox don't play Monday nights and someone might have had a brain phart, but Tuesday as well? They advertise that "Every Game is On THE GAME", but then they don't carry them. They did this a few times in the first couple of weeks of this season as well. Completely unacceptable. If you're billing yourself as carrying "every game", then you're carrying all 162 games or you're carrying zero. No middle ground. Any idea what the hell is going on? John From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 10:59:25 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:59:25 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090826145925.ABDDECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> One way to have WEEI broadcast from Burlington would be a format and calls swap as I suggested: WEEI with sports at 680 from Burlington, WRKO at 850 with talk from Needham (think that's where they broadcast from). Of course you can't do a simple call swap so they'd have to go through a procedure like what CBS did recently. WEEI already did a move from 590 to 850 back in the nineties, when they took over the old WHDH (cue toilet flush sound effect). Adding an FM signal like 93.7 would help WEEI even if just in doing Sox or Celtics games. (WBOQ, just down Rt 128 from Peabody's WMKK stick, might not be so happy...) Go to Sox games then go back to music. And Entercom could boast, as they no doubt do with their WEEI simulcasts in western MA, RI, and the Cape, that you'd get a nice clear static free signal on FM --for the Sox or for everything. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 11:03:24 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:03:24 -0500 Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO Message-ID: <20090826150324.B7BBACD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Meanwhile, will there be any other changes on WRKO? Not sure; would think for now they will stick with Finneran and Feinburg, Laura I., Rush, Howie, Savage (supposedly he gets good ratings?), Doyle, and the overnight UFO guy. I could stand someone like tape delayed Dennis Miller at 7 but usually I'm listening to the Sox then and again, supposedly Savage does well. (WRKO does run a best of Dennis Miller on weekends. They could even run tape delayed Glenn Beck; who knows.) Would WRKO add a local host at 7? Or even at 10? As for today, it looks like WRKO is not running syndie stuff due to Ted K's passing. They had Todd Feinburg and Avi Nelson on instead of Ingraham and hinted there would be more (not sure who'd be on during Rush's hours) From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Aug 26 11:22:18 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:22:18 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090826145925.ABDDECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090826145925.ABDDECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: I don't think they're going to move WEEI to 680 just so Bob can hear the Sox at work. They have been very sucessful on 850. Why would they want to mess with that? Mike FM is also sucessful, and if they moved EEI there, they would then have an AM with almost no value. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:59 AM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > One way to have WEEI broadcast from Burlington would be a format and > calls swap as I suggested: WEEI with sports at 680 from > Burlington, WRKO at 850 with talk from Needham (think that's where > they broadcast from). Of course you can't do a simple > call swap so they'd have to go through a procedure like what CBS did > recently. > > WEEI already did a move from 590 to 850 back in the nineties, when > they took over the old WHDH (cue toilet flush sound effect). > > Adding an FM signal like 93.7 would help WEEI even if just in doing > Sox or Celtics games. (WBOQ, just down Rt 128 from Peabody's > WMKK stick, might not be so happy...) Go to Sox games then go back > to music. And Entercom could boast, as they no doubt do > with their WEEI simulcasts in western MA, RI, and the Cape, that > you'd get a nice clear static free signal on FM --for the Sox > or for everything. > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Aug 26 10:41:45 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:41:45 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A9549A9.5070900@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Then in the back of > the building is the sorting area for packages where WRKO comes in > OK-- IF aided by a mini-FM transmitter--and WEEI, pretty much not at > all. WBOQ does come in on a walkman, if you stand in one spot and > hold the walkman a certain way. The management, who would like to see > me move around as I throw packages into sacks, frowns on me staying > in one spot... What if you put the FM mini-transmitter in the spot where WBOQ comes in decently, and used it to relay WBOQ? s (who's dependent on the unstable skywave of WTIC while driving around Rochester listening...) From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 12:34:10 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:34:10 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090826163410.B9A9D905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> >>You would need W-Fi in order to use the iPod Touch. At a postal sorting center? Nope... From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Aug 26 12:38:16 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:38:16 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: <20090826163816.F0C1E905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Wouldn't be just for me; I would think they want a slightly better signal but yes it would be too much trouble. But simulcasting the Sox only on 93.7 would be nice. (not necess. all of WEEI) From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Aug 26 14:26:59 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:26:59 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090826145925.ABDDECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090826145925.ABDDECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908261126v678c5872y17e6f14016da3002@mail.gmail.com> WEEI just has big signal problems in Maynard, Littleton, Westford, Chelmsford that WCRN doesn't help with. Then we have that pesky little AM out near Rochester in Penn Yan, New York that is supposed to drop to 45 watts at night but seldom does. Granted it is better than ten years ago when CKVL was on 850 but it is a bad null. WGIR was a huge part of the Sox net for decades but WRKO made a Manchester affilate moot. Now they have a problem again. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Aug 26 16:26:42 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:26:42 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> Message-ID: <05787D53EC914ADA855D63F65E43386B@PaulPC> While WEEI is definetely worse than WRKO in my neck of the woods, WBOQ is good on 104.9 to Manchester, and as you move slightly east, 96.7 (Forgot Calls) (Rochester) comes in well. WGAM/WGHM at least covers the Rte 3 Corridor from Nashua to Manchvegas, and WTPL kicks in north of there. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH (and now weekends in Freeport ME)......where one of those JAB stations (96.3) has the Sox...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" To: "Paul Anderson" Cc: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox return to WEEI > Southern NH is tough. The Sox really need to be on an FM there, or get > the games back on WGIR-AM at the very least. I live in Worcester county, > and WCRN fills the Worcester and Metrowest holes nicely. Once you get > south of the Pike, 103.7 kicks in for just about all of Southeast MA and > WXTK covers the Cape. 104.9 has the North Shore, and the Red Sox Nation > parts of CT is covered by WEEI-FM, WTIC and longtime affiliates > WILI/Willimantic and WINY/Putnam. Maine is pretty well covered too. > Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's > mailroom.... > > -Dave Tomm > > > On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >>> Bad news for me; I work nights and WEEI's signal stinks. Wait till we >>> hear from all the Sox fans who >>> can't pick up WEEI all that well and won't hear the games now. (If I >>> were Entercom I'd simulcast on >>> 93.7 or 97.7 too) >> >> Most of the difference between WEEI and WRKO is coverage west of Boston, >> where I would imagine WCRN would come in well. >> >> While driving, I have presets for WGHM Nashua, WCRN Worcester and WPKZ >> Fitchburg. I also had one for WRKO Boston but I'll probably change that >> now to WTIC Hartford. And since I live in southern New Hampshire, I >> have WTPL Hillsboro for spotty FM reception. And all of this is only >> _really_ necessary when they're playing away, as XM Radio has the >> friendly Sox announcers when they're playing at Fenway. >> >> Even with all those stations, the Sox are pretty much unlistenable on >> terrestrial radio in my town. >> >> Paul > > From gary@garysicecream.com Wed Aug 26 17:51:43 2009 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:51:43 -0400 Subject: Channel 5's coverage of Ted Message-ID: <200908262151.n7QLpddZ082675@tsornin.bostonradio.org> I noticed this morning that Channel 5 was not using their regular news set all day - but instead were using a square wooden table - by mid-afternoon they had switched the table to a round one with a chrome edge (very Art Deco). Anyone else notice this? Gary From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 18:08:36 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <004c01ca25f9$60dea990$229bfcb0$@net> Message-ID: <162192.1744.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Have they been on there at all this season? > They had been off WGAM / WGHM fro about 4 weeks early in the season (but I think after it had started). They had been a very regular fixture lately John B From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 17:58:56 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox leave WRKO In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908251301l7858ba6bp49a40c88068dc265@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <772505.51328.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 8/25/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Entercom announced today that, effective with the team?s > game against > the Chicago White Sox Wednesday evening, August 26th, all > future > Boston Red Sox games will be carried on WEEI 850 AM in > Boston, the > flagship station of the WEEI Sports Radio Network. Maybe I like conspiracy theories too much... but any chance the Sox forced WEEI's hand in this move? Kevin, I think you mentioned a while back that Entercom was behind in payments to the Sox. Could the Sox have said, "Move the games back to WEEI or we'll terminate the contract"? From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 19:08:26 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Channel 5's coverage of Ted In-Reply-To: <200908262151.n7QLpddZ082675@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200908262151.n7QLpddZ082675@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <183861.50439.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I haven't seen channel 5, but CSN had Mike Felger read a promo for NECN coverage of events. Even though I work for the company and knew there would be cross promotion at some point it still seemed bizarre. From markwats@comcast.net Wed Aug 26 20:54:42 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:54:42 -0400 Subject: Sen Ted Kennedy is dead References: <200908260538.n7Q5c2hc067732@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Numerous news sources (Fox Radio and ABC) are >reporting that Sen Ted > Kennedy has died. Given the time that Senator Kennedy's passing was announced (just after 1AM EDT), does anyone know how WBZ radio handled this breaking news? Steve Levelle was live in studio, but did they call in any of the news anchors or reporters or did Levelle go it alone along with CBS News bulletins/updates? Mark Watson From bob.bosra@demattia.net Tue Aug 25 16:45:45 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:45 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Seems to me that carrying WEEI on Entercom's FMHD3 channels should be a non-brainer. They're already got it on main FM in Springfield and Providence. The WAAF/WKAF coverage, even on a measly HD3 signal, would be better than the AM signals they have now, and there's some synergy between the 'AF / 'EEI audience. WMKI's more of a rimshot, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to carry WRKO. I can't imagine there's much cost involved. -Bob From mariogonz@aol.com Wed Aug 26 11:49:27 2009 From: mariogonz@aol.com (Mario Gonzalez Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:27 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <4A9549A9.5070900@fybush.com> References: <20090826143522.EABE183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4A9549A9.5070900@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4A955987.9040300@aol.com> What about something like an iPod Touch or an iPhone? I use the At Bat 2009 application and I can hear the audio of all of the games. I'm a Yankee fan, so this is how I can hear all of the games no matter where I am. You would need W-Fi in order to use the iPod Touch. Mario On 8/26/2009 10:41 AM, Scott Fybush wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: > >> Then in the back of >> the building is the sorting area for packages where WRKO comes in >> OK-- IF aided by a mini-FM transmitter--and WEEI, pretty much not at >> all. WBOQ does come in on a walkman, if you stand in one spot and >> hold the walkman a certain way. The management, who would like to see >> me move around as I throw packages into sacks, frowns on me staying >> in one spot... > > What if you put the FM mini-transmitter in the spot where WBOQ comes > in decently, and used it to relay WBOQ? > > s > (who's dependent on the unstable skywave of WTIC while driving around > Rochester listening...) From john@pcsupportsolutions.com Wed Aug 26 16:53:27 2009 From: john@pcsupportsolutions.com (John Allen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:53:27 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI Message-ID: Here is one more alternative that may work for some people and some locations: An iPhone with MLB at bat application. Detail to come - have to drive now. John K1AE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:38 PM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > Wouldn't be just for me; I would think they want a slightly better > signal but yes it would be too much trouble. > > But simulcasting the Sox only on 93.7 would be nice. (not necess. > all of WEEI) > > From dave@skywaves.net Wed Aug 26 23:52:06 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:52:06 -0400 Subject: WRGB Analog Audio Message-ID: >From Radio Ink: ------------------ NY TV Station Pulls FM Simulcast August 25, 2009: CBS affiliate WRGB (channel 6) in Schenectady has turned off the analog signal it was using to simulcast at 87.9 FM. A statement by VP/GM Robert Furlong on the station's website says, "We do not have FCC authorization to transmit an analog signal. We only have authorization for a digital signal at this time." Furlong says the station is "reviewing its options" and thanks viewers for being patient as "we work through our digital issues." From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Aug 27 00:21:26 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:21:26 -0400 Subject: Sen Ted Kennedy is dead In-Reply-To: References: <200908260538.n7Q5c2hc067732@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > Given the time that Senator Kennedy's passing was announced (just > after 1AM EDT), does anyone know how WBZ radio handled this breaking > news? Steve Levelle was live in studio, but did they call in any of > the news anchors or reporters or did Levelle go it alone along with > CBS News bulletins/updates? I tuned in about 10 minutes after I got the news (via an e-mail alert from the New York Times). It sounded like a well-produced pre- recorded obituary that ran until close to 2 AM. At about 2, I heard Steve Leveille on with Dan Rea, who said he had been heading home but turned around when he heard the news. WBUR was also running what sounded like a pre-recorded obituary. 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Now the domain espnboston.com currently resolves to WAMG but Reiss told me they have lined up another station that will have a much stronger signal. But who???? I doubt it is 1260 which the mouse owns... 590? Anything is possible with Salem 1200? I doubt CC would but... 1510 it is better than 890 Then you also have the possibility of Entercom running ESPN on 680. This will be interesting to watch From scott@fybush.com Thu Aug 27 23:40:06 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:40:06 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Now the domain espnboston.com currently resolves to WAMG but Reiss > told me they have lined up another station that will have a much > stronger signal. > > But who???? This is probably the first time in the history of all-sports radio in Boston that WBOS has been more or less out of contention as a possibility, isn't it? Or am I overestimating the success (and profitability, given its jocklessness) of WBOS' current format now that the competition from WBCN is gone? Of course, there's always Nassau and WCRB to consider as a contender, too. I suppose even 99.5 qualifies as a "much stronger signal" than 890, as long as you don't live where Garrett does. s From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Aug 28 00:15:59 2009 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:15:59 EDT Subject: The plot thickens with sports media Message-ID: I say 1200. And then Spanish to 890. - I have no inside info on this, but we all know that CC will go where the bucks are. ---BB From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 00:39:47 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:39:47 -0500 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com> <4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> I know in Chicago ESPN uses the website writers on air. Reiss told me his new deal offers him security the Globe can not. Bristol is speeding up this launch for a reason and putting it ahead of LA and NY where they OWN stations. What the reason is we don't know as of yet Bob yes we know CC does follow the money and has in the past imported programing they don't own. However they could also have decided to take Rush in-house to 1200 which would cripple RKO. I wouldn't bet against 590 being in play as it is the best signal just doing nothing and a lot of what is on 590 could be moved to 1150. From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Aug 28 01:43:57 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:43:57 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com> <4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> <4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whatever happens, expect ESPN to remain a non-player in the market, at least radiowise. Their radio strategy is simply to reinforce their brand. Most ESPN Radio personalities are on TV and the web as well. They'd like a relatively strong local radio component to drive traffic to the website. However, most of their shows will be off the network, and most likely the station will remain on AM, so I doubt it will make much of a dent against WEEI (which has it's own developing local web presence) or WBZ-FM. The Worldwide Leader really missed the boat here. They should have tried to cut a deal to get ESPN on FM before CBS signed on the Sports Hub. They're coming very late to the party. Too late, actually. Now they're doing damage control. They want this regional website concept to work, particularly in the major markets, because it's the future. The radio component is just a means to an end, and I doubt they're going to invest a ton of money into the radio product to truly compete against 850 & 98.5. At the end of the day, look for a slightly stronger AM signal running essentially the same programming as 890 is now. Nothing to get too excited about... -Dave Tomm On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I know in Chicago ESPN uses the website writers on air. Reiss told me > his new deal offers him security the Globe can not. > > Bristol is speeding up this launch for a reason and putting it ahead > of LA and NY where they OWN stations. > > What the reason is we don't know as of yet > > Bob yes we know CC does follow the money and has in the past imported > programing they don't own. However they could also have decided to > take Rush in-house to 1200 which would cripple RKO. > > I wouldn't bet against 590 being in play as it is the best signal just > doing nothing and a lot of what is on 590 could be moved to 1150. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 28 06:18:15 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:18:15 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com><4A975196.9080602@fybush.com><4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, a slightly stronger AM signal than 890/1400 would be 1200, as Jibguy predicted a short while ago. Or it could be 1510, with Progressive talk moving to 890 (and 1400?). Oh, and can we rule out 1060? Its daytime signal is stronger than 890's in most of the market and though 1060's night signal is nominally weaker than 890's (2500W for 1060 vs 6 kW for 890; both transmit from the same site at night), I sure don't notice much difference where I live--and if there is a noticeable difference, I give a slight edge to 1060. (The Grady Moates difference?) And what about the possibility of 98.5 flipping to ESPN from Sporting News Radio in the hours that are not locally produced? I think ESPN is already heard on a CBS property somewhere in the US, though I have no clue where. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:43 AM Subject: Re: The plot thickens with sports media > Whatever happens, expect ESPN to remain a non-player in the market, > at least radiowise. Their radio strategy is simply to reinforce > their brand. Most ESPN Radio personalities are on TV and the web > as well. They'd like a relatively strong local radio component to > drive traffic to the website. However, most of their shows will be > off the network, and most likely the station will remain on AM, so > I doubt it will make much of a dent against WEEI (which has it's > own developing local web presence) or WBZ-FM. The Worldwide Leader > really missed the boat here. They should have tried to cut a deal > to get ESPN on FM before CBS signed on the Sports Hub. They're > coming very late to the party. Too late, actually. Now they're > doing damage control. They want this regional website concept to > work, particularly in the major markets, because it's the future. > The radio component is just a means to an end, and I doubt they're > going to invest a ton of money into the radio product to truly > compete against 850 & 98.5. At the end of the day, look for a > slightly stronger AM signal running essentially the same > programming as 890 is now. Nothing to get too excited about... > > -Dave Tomm > > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I know in Chicago ESPN uses the website writers on air. Reiss told >> me >> his new deal offers him security the Globe can not. >> >> Bristol is speeding up this launch for a reason and putting it >> ahead >> of LA and NY where they OWN stations. >> >> What the reason is we don't know as of yet >> >> Bob yes we know CC does follow the money and has in the past >> imported >> programing they don't own. However they could also have decided to >> take Rush in-house to 1200 which would cripple RKO. >> >> I wouldn't bet against 590 being in play as it is the best signal >> just >> doing nothing and a lot of what is on 590 could be moved to 1150. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 28 06:23:10 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:23:10 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com><4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> <4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't bet that Salem has such a free hand with 1150. Isn't Salem's deal with Radio Luz a long-term lease? I suppose it could even be a long-term lease with an option to buy. Of course, the buy option would be meaningless unless Luz can finance it, and I wouldn't bet on that at all in this climate. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: Re: The plot thickens with sports media > > I wouldn't bet against 590 being in play as it is the best signal > just > doing nothing and a lot of what is on 590 could be moved to 1150. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 08:43:14 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com><4A975196.9080602@fybush.com><4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <772736.65896.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Doubtful that ESPN would want 98.5 because they would only clear overnights. That was a big complaint they had about being on WEEI. National sponsors want to see Top 10 market clearance even if it's on a flea watt station. Also 98.5 probably wouldn't clear any of their live event programming (NBA, MLB) because of Bruins conflicts and wanting to keep the developing audience for DA's show. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 28 10:19:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:19:41 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com><4A975196.9080602@fybush.com><4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> <772736.65896.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But what if 98.5 guaranteed to run the network commercials, even if they did so in locally produced programs? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: The plot thickens with sports media > Doubtful that ESPN would want 98.5 because they would only clear > overnights. That was a big complaint they had about being on WEEI. > National sponsors want to see Top 10 market clearance even if it's > on a flea watt station. Also 98.5 probably wouldn't clear any of > their live event programming (NBA, MLB) because of Bruins conflicts > and wanting to keep the developing audience for DA's show. > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 28 10:48:15 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:48:15 -0500 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media Message-ID: <20090828144815.BE037905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Was just on another board saying the same thing. ESPN wants more airtime than just overnights and weekends, even if being on the powerful 98.5 would give them SOME exposure (and I for one would love being able to hear things like the non-Sox baseball playoffs on ESPN) >>National sponsors want to see Top 10 market clearance even if it's on a flea watt station. Also 98.5 probably wouldn't clear any of their live event programming (NBA, MLB) because of Bruins conflicts and wanting to keep the developing audience for DA's show. Exactly. If CBS, say, had another AM in town they could put ESPN there but they'd comepete against themselves for the sports audience. Would they work out a deal such as an LMA with 99.5; roll over Beethoven for sports? (Put classical on HD signal or something)....or be on CC's 1200? And when all is said and done what kind of ratings would such a station get? Even if 890 were more powerful what could ESPN get in town, a 1? Sporting News more flexible--don't mind only partial carriage if they get a signal like 98.5... Local hosts would help such an effort too but they'd have 1 or 2 slots and most of the talent is either with 850 or 98.5. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 28 11:20:38 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:20:38 -0500 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered Message-ID: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> For the heck of it I entered ESPN1260.com into my browser and got a "coming soon" message from Network Solutions. Hmm. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 28 11:25:13 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:25:13 -0500 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media Message-ID: <20090828152515.42BF983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I noted http://www.ESPN1260.com was registered as "coming soon" Though a WHOIS search said it was registered in '03 and will expire later this yr - From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:30:49 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:30:49 -0400 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered In-Reply-To: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0908280830m548474ebl970d9c4e3808d414@mail.gmail.com> Though I note with a WHOIS search that it was registered in 2003 and is due to expire this yr On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > For the heck of it I entered ESPN1260.com into my browser and got a "coming soon" message from Network Solutions. > > Hmm. > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:31:00 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:31:00 -0500 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered In-Reply-To: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908280831g7bef5743vc3e887e86202841a@mail.gmail.com> And for what it's worth, ESPN1260.com is registered to Simmons Media-Austin, TX -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > For the heck of it I entered ESPN1260.com into my browser and got a "coming > soon" message from Network Solutions. > > Hmm. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Aug 28 11:33:40 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:33:40 -0500 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered Message-ID: <20090828153340.AB242905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes and some further research turned up some kind of ESPN Spanish ("ESPN deportes") station down in Texas. (And I may have mentioned before "CC has been known to throw us off the trail before"--well if they wind up on 1200, then yes, but 1260 of course is Radio Disney) From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri Aug 28 11:52:35 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:52:35 -0400 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered In-Reply-To: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420908280852l19f98803g7ecd82ad0789cd8b@mail.gmail.com> It would be another sports station we can't hear in Natick / Framingham. Why Entercom has not put both 850 and 680 on an HD3 signal baffles me. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > For the heck of it I entered ESPN1260.com into my browser and got a "coming > soon" message from Network Solutions. > > Hmm. > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 11:58:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:58:56 -0500 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <772736.65896.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com> <4A975196.9080602@fybush.com> <4fc429770908272139m54b0f3d0jc904ca21b22bc33e@mail.gmail.com> <772736.65896.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908280858s1569192av9a8e15eb9c4d95ae@mail.gmail.com> In talking to friends that follow sports in Boston, Mike and Mike on 890 are sampled daily simply because they all say the same thing, they can not stand the hate generated by D&C so ESPN can build on that. WAMG put up a good fight but the signal just can not penertate inside offices and apartments and at night WLS is always in the background. Friends connected with the UMass athletic program are concerned that WAMG will pull the plug as they are the Boston outlet for football and basketball. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:31:27 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:31:27 -0500 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <20090828152515.42BF983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090828152515.42BF983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80908280831qa92027dwae0873cbd05d8ae6@mail.gmail.com> And for what it's worth, ESPN1260.com is registered to Simmons Media-Austin, TX -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I noted http://www.ESPN1260.com was registered > as "coming soon" > > Though a WHOIS search said it was registered in '03 and will expire later > this yr > > - > From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Aug 28 11:39:46 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:39:46 -0400 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered In-Reply-To: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Registered in 2003 to simmons media in Austin with contacts having email addresses such as JoeSmith@espnaustin.com "ESPN1260"'s: WNSS Syracuse, NY KSML Diboll, TX WGVM Greenville, MS WRIE Erie, PA There may be others... Bob From bob.bosra@demattia.net Fri Aug 28 11:41:36 2009 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:41:36 -0400 Subject: ESPN1260.com registered In-Reply-To: References: <20090828152038.0E103905C47@ws1-5a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Of course Disney - ESPN - ABC are all the same company... hmmm From jscoville@pricegroup.com Fri Aug 28 15:08:53 2009 From: jscoville@pricegroup.com (Jack Scoville) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:08:53 -0500 Subject: Sporting News Radio on CBS Properties Outside Boston Message-ID: <58A6C7BDBD1FBE4196422A2F8FA244FBF13BC9E5DF@PGMAIL.headquarters.upsecurities.com> Hi: WSCR-670 AM in Chicago runs some Sporting News Radio overnight and on some parts of the weekend. I don't know about CBS in other cities, but it is on here in Chicago. Jack Scoville From markwats@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 17:47:19 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:47:19 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> Message-ID: Dave Tomm wrote: > Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's > mailroom.... Gary Francis sent me a link to this posting on the Nashua Telegraph blog as to why the Sox games are off the air in Nashua & Manchester: http://blogs.nashuatelegraph.com:80/hubbub/2009/08/28/entercom-blocks-wgam-from-broadcasting-red-sox-games/ Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 17:54:53 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:54:53 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media References: Message-ID: Jibguy wrote: >I say 1200. And then Spanish to 890. And if Spanish goes to 890, will it also be simulcast on 1400? There's no Spanish radio outlet in Lowell, but Lawrence has WNNW on 800 and it's FM translator on 92.1. During the day parts of the Lawrence area can get a usable signal from 1490 in Haverhill, which is also Spanish. But if WLLH does brokered Spanish, guess it doesn't matter if anyone listens as long as long as whoever is buying the time pays on time. Mark Watson From rbello@belloassoc.com Fri Aug 28 18:03:56 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:03:56 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> Message-ID: <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> *The way I read it, **Absolute Broadcasting has not paid their rights fee on time. Entercom cut them off. * On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Dave Tomm wrote: > > Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and Bob's >> mailroom.... >> > > Gary Francis sent me a link to this posting on the Nashua Telegraph blog > as to why the Sox games are off the air in Nashua & Manchester: > > > http://blogs.nashuatelegraph.com:80/hubbub/2009/08/28/entercom-blocks-wgam-from-broadcasting-red-sox-games/ > > Mark Watson > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 19:50:15 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:50:15 -0400 Subject: WBZ-TV Not Airing Sen. Kennedy Memorial Message-ID: <4CC6E7F180A6443B810AB86AB13AC8CA@Mark> I was curious as to how WBZ-TV would handle covering the Senator Kennedy memorial remembrance that is scheduled to run from 7 to 9 tonight, as they have a Patriots pre-season football game scheduled to air starting at 8. I guessed the football game would have been sent to co-owned WSBK and 'BZ-TV would air the Kennedy memorial. Nope. WSBK is carrying the Kennedy remembrance, while 'BZ-TV ran "Wheel of Fortune" & "Jeopardy", which usually run on 'SBK from 7 to 8. Thus WBZ will air the Pats at 8. Just curious as to why the Patriots game has to air on 'BZ, is it because the contract says so or is it because of cable or dish channel position? Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 20:15:51 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:15:51 -0500 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770908281715v65cf8490v69950bdbf1a90528@mail.gmail.com> More than WTIC???? 5. Absolute pays Entercom the highest broadcast rights fees of any Red Sox affiliate station. But it is a Catch 22 as Entercom has been behind paying the Red Sox. Of course Nashua-Manchester not a big problem with games on 680 but 850 another matter. The contract never made sense from day one. The Atlanta Braves have a big number contract but the network goes from Jacksonville to New Orleans and as far north as the Carolinas. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 28 20:34:48 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:34:48 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9877A8.1070406@ttlc.net> Prob Ron Bello wrote: > *The way I read it, **Absolute Broadcasting has not paid their rights fee on > time. Entercom cut them off. * > Probably correct. BUT, cutting off the feed won't allow Absolute to run spots to earn the money to pay them. It's not like Entercom has a plethora of other stations just waiting in the wings to take those rights. It's like jailing someone for being penniless and not letting them out until they aren't. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 28 21:42:40 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:42:40 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> <4A9877A8.1070406@ttlc.net> Message-ID: But might this actually be a more complicated squeeze play than the posts in this thread suggest? There have been repeated rumors that Entercom is technically in default to the Red Sox because one of its payments to the Sox was a few weeks late. If that's true, maybe there is more than we have been acknowledging to Entercom's decision to move those Sox games that heretofore had been on WRKO (which covers southern NH quite adequately) to WEEI (which doesn't). If the contract between the Sox and Entercom allowed Entercom to make this move unilaterally, Entercom, by moving the games to WEEI and cutting off WGAM/WGHM, intentionally cut off the Sox coverage of southern NH, thereby, as it were, holding Granite State Sox listeners hostage. The mesage from Entercom to the Sox could thus be construed as: "continue to hassle us about late payments and we'll show you how we can fight back. You want listeners in southern NH? Then give us a break with the payment schedule." If its contract with the Sox permits it, Entercom could return the Sox to southern NH while continuing to put the screws to Absolute by doing what Bob Nelson first suggested on this list over a week ago--a format flip between 680 and 850. As I said when Bob first made the suggestion, the idea of having WEEI 680 carry the Sox and WRKO 850 as The Talk Station actually makes some sense. There would be some downsides, though, and listener confusion would be first among them. Then there is also the issue of 680's nighttime signal in most of MetroWest being even worse than 850's, which is already no picnic. And of course, we know that Howie Carr would bitch and moan about loss of his listeners in southern NH even though I believe WCRN supplies the coverage there that 680 provides but 850 doesn't. Also, unless Entercom could line up a Cape Cod affiliate to carry Howie's show, Howie could bitch about losing the signal on which his Cape Cod fans depended. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Ron Bello" Cc: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox return to WEEI > Prob > > Ron Bello wrote: >> *The way I read it, **Absolute Broadcasting has not paid their >> rights fee on >> time. Entercom cut them off. * >> > Probably correct. BUT, cutting off the feed won't allow Absolute to > run spots to earn the money to pay them. It's not like Entercom has > a plethora of other stations just waiting in the wings to take those > rights. > > It's like jailing someone for being penniless and not letting them > out until they aren't. > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Aug 28 21:55:53 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:55:53 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> <4A9877A8.1070406@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000601ca284b$d7c76e30$87564a90$@net> > Also, unless > Entercom could line up a Cape Cod affiliate to carry Howie's show, > Howie could bitch about losing the signal on which his Cape Cod fans > depended. There already is one, 95.1 WXTK has carried Howie Carr for as long as I can remember. Google is your friend. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From paulranderson@charter.net Fri Aug 28 22:23:18 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:23:18 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E6ADE5E-D6E6-41DB-9F88-907F98B79F72@charter.net> The Red Sox game was on WGAM/WGHM tonight. WRKO vs. WEEI does not make a huge difference in southern New Hampshire, at least where I am. Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > The way I read it, Absolute Broadcasting has not paid their rights > fee on time. Entercom cut them off. > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Mark Watson > wrote: > Dave Tomm wrote: > > Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and > Bob's mailroom.... > > Gary Francis sent me a link to this posting on the Nashua Telegraph > blog as to why the Sox games are off the air in Nashua & Manchester: > > http://blogs.nashuatelegraph.com:80/hubbub/2009/08/28/entercom-blocks-wgam-from-broadcasting-red-sox-games/ > > Mark Watson > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Aug 29 14:49:46 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:49:46 -0400 Subject: Red Sox return to WEEI In-Reply-To: <9E6ADE5E-D6E6-41DB-9F88-907F98B79F72@charter.net> References: <20090825195738.DD8B2CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <0ED350EC-4F5D-450D-B281-781086497FC1@charter.net> <37F1EEF0-A00E-45FC-A14C-CCA1DC6A4A6B@charter.net> <90ec04420908281503v5b0f8b80yf0c9905db5d4ee47@mail.gmail.com> <9E6ADE5E-D6E6-41DB-9F88-907F98B79F72@charter.net> Message-ID: <2386B0D1-18EF-46F3-A5C3-81FA3C5671F8@charter.net> I'm surprised Entercom didn't try to purchase 102.3 in Concord when it was still dark and put WEEI & the Sox on it. I know it wouldn't have filled the entire Southern NH hole, but it would have helped. I suppose in better economic times they might have overpaid to get a couple of signals in the region to expand the WEEI network, but that's not happening these days... -Dave Tomm On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > The Red Sox game was on WGAM/WGHM tonight. > > WRKO vs. WEEI does not make a huge difference in southern New > Hampshire, at least where I am. > > Paul > > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > >> The way I read it, Absolute Broadcasting has not paid their rights >> fee on time. Entercom cut them off. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Mark Watson >> wrote: >> Dave Tomm wrote: >> >> Right now the big gaping hole is Southern New Hampshire....and >> Bob's mailroom.... >> >> Gary Francis sent me a link to this posting on the Nashua Telegraph >> blog as to why the Sox games are off the air in Nashua & Manchester: >> >> http://blogs.nashuatelegraph.com:80/hubbub/2009/08/28/entercom-blocks-wgam-from-broadcasting-red-sox-games/ >> >> Mark Watson >> >> >> > From dav2149@comcast.net Sat Aug 29 17:16:07 2009 From: dav2149@comcast.net (D) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:16:07 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? Message-ID: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net> I usually listen to la rumba on 1430 and noticed today they only mention "catorce treinta" and not "mil doscientos" along with it like they have been doing. When I tuned to 1200 there was programming in Spanish but it wasn't what was on 1430 at the same time. I haven't been following local radio recently, did I miss something about these two stations? (I hope at least one of them will remain la nueva rumba - I really like listening to the music they play). David Wilson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Aug 29 17:30:54 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:30:54 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net> Message-ID: <78267AD1D808474BA93905ACE0620FBD@SatU205S5044> You appear to be confirming speculation that has been running wild on this list for the past three or four days: That WKOX 1200 will be flipping to ESPN sports and replacing WAMG 890 in that role. Such a flip need not affect WXKS (AM), since its coverage lies entirely within WKOX's coverage area. What will happen to WAMG? The rumor mill here appears to favor its flipping to Spanish. I can imagine it might even flip to Rumba. And I can imagine that 1400 in Lowell and Lawrence, which has been //WAMG, might also flip to Rumba. There is very little overlap among the coverage areas of 890, 1400, and 1430. Technically, there is no overlap at all at night. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? >I usually listen to la rumba on 1430 and noticed today they only >mention "catorce treinta" and not "mil doscientos" along with it like >they have been doing. When I tuned to 1200 there was programming in >Spanish but it wasn't what was on 1430 at the same time. I haven't >been following local radio recently, did I miss something about these >two stations? (I hope at least one of them will remain la nueva >umba - I really like listening to the music they play). > David Wilson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 30 06:45:00 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:45:00 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net> Message-ID: <18B12A39200048B2AF774EB7E82D83B3@SatU205S5044> Early this AM (before 5:00AM Sunday 8/30/09) I tuned in to 1200. I heard a "non-ID" that contained the words Rumba and mil-dos-cientos. So, for whatever it's worth, whatever the non-Rumba Spanish programming that WKOX was broadcasting yesterday, it was not broadcasting it early this morning. At that hour, WXKS (AM) is on night pattern and I can't hear it here, so I can't tell you whether 1200 and 1430 were back to simulcasting, but my guess is that they were. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "D" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? >I usually listen to la rumba on 1430 and noticed today they only >mention "catorce treinta" and not "mil doscientos" along with it like >they have been doing. When I tuned to 1200 there was programming in >Spanish but it wasn't what was on 1430 at the same time. I haven't >been following local radio recently, did I miss something about these >two stations? (I hope at least one of them will remain la nueva >umba - I really like listening to the music they play). > David Wilson From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 30 07:19:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:19:41 -0400 Subject: Future of 890/1200/1400/1430 Message-ID: <9EA1B959437D438282F0905A9308AD93@SatU205S5044> I just posted the following on the radio-info.com Boston board: The possibility of 1200 fipping to ESPN certainly raises a bunch of questions: Is ESPN working this deal directly with Clear Channel (owners of WKOX) or are they working through Waller Sutton (owners of WAMG/WLLH)? If ESPN is working though Waller Sutton, why are they doing so? Especially if Waller Sutton is still involved, wouldn't there be a good chance of WAMG/WLLH flipping to the Spanish ESPN (I think it's called ESPN Deportes)? If 890/1400 were to pick up ESPN Deportes, that would leave Rumba only on WXKS (AM). Is that puny signal enough to make the format worth CCU's while to continue producing in Boston? (I could be wrong about this, but I believe that Rumba for Boston originates locally; that is, CCU does not distribute it by satellite from a central location--San Antonio, for instance.) If a Boston Rumba on 1430 only doesn't make economic sense for CCU, then wouldn't ESPN Deportes on 1430 make more sense? Some food for thought here. I guess we'll have answers in due course, but I'd like to know now. And here's one more: If 1430 becomes orphaned, is this the time for Principle (1230/1300) to make its move to buy 1430? Principle does not appear to have run out of money and CCU needs all the $$$ it can get. I have been predicting that Principle would buy 1430 ever since the group first appeared in Boston a few years ago. If there wasn't such bad blood between Principle and Multicutural (1360/1470), I could also see Principle picking up 1470 from Multicultural. A 1430/1470 simulcast would make A LOT of sense. Between the two stations, you would have a fairly decent full-market AM signal (adjacent dial positions and not a whole lot of coverage overlap day or night). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 30 12:12:29 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:12:29 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? In-Reply-To: <78267AD1D808474BA93905ACE0620FBD@SatU205S5044> References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <78267AD1D808474BA93905ACE0620FBD@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4A9AA4ED.11270.682DDF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Aug 2009 at 17:30, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > You appear to be confirming speculation that has been running wild on > this list for the past three or four days: That WKOX 1200 will be > flipping to ESPN sports and replacing WAMG 890 in that role. Such a > flip need not affect WXKS (AM), since its coverage lies entirely > within WKOX's coverage area. What will happen to WAMG? The rumor mill > here appears to favor its flipping to Spanish. I can imagine it might > even flip to Rumba. And I can imagine that 1400 in Lowell and > Lawrence, which has been //WAMG, might also flip to Rumba. There is > very little overlap among the coverage areas of 890, 1400, and 1430. > Technically, there is no overlap at all at night. That would certainly be a boon to UMass sports coverage. It would be the first time in years that a station will be covering UMass sports with such a strong signal in Boston. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 30 12:18:12 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:18:12 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? In-Reply-To: <18B12A39200048B2AF774EB7E82D83B3@SatU205S5044> References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <18B12A39200048B2AF774EB7E82D83B3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4A9AA644.20137.6D68F2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Aug 2009 at 6:45, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Early this AM (before 5:00AM Sunday 8/30/09) I tuned in to 1200. I > heard a "non-ID" that contained the words Rumba and mil-dos-cientos. > So, for whatever it's worth, whatever the non-Rumba Spanish > programming that WKOX was broadcasting yesterday, it was not > broadcasting it early this morning. At that hour, WXKS (AM) is on > night pattern and I can't hear it here, so I can't tell you whether > 1200 and 1430 were back to simulcasting, but my guess is that they > were. Speaking of 1430, now that the Cambridge District Court is in Wellington Circle, Medford, I notice that there is a pair of radio towers just behind it. Is that WXKS? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 30 12:12:30 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:12:30 -0400 Subject: The plot thickens with sports media In-Reply-To: <4fc429770908280858s1569192av9a8e15eb9c4d95ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770908272028g8758104k1512d31f8bdb084d@mail.gmail.com>, <772736.65896.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770908280858s1569192av9a8e15eb9c4d95ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9AA4EE.469.683024@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Aug 2009 at 10:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In talking to friends that follow sports in Boston, Mike and Mike on > 890 are sampled daily simply because they all say the same thing, they > can not stand the hate generated by D&C so ESPN can build on that. > > WAMG put up a good fight but the signal just can not penertate inside > offices and apartments and at night WLS is always in the background. > > Friends connected with the UMass athletic program are concerned that > WAMG will pull the plug as they are the Boston outlet for football and > basketball. This is a recent announcement. UMass sports will be on "ESPN Radio Boston," WAMG and WLLH in addition to the stations they had before, which include WATD and WCRN Worcester. The latter makes it to Brookline at least. WATD makes it into Boston, but only on a car radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Aug 30 12:53:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:53:14 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <18B12A39200048B2AF774EB7E82D83B3@SatU205S5044> <4A9AA644.20137.6D68F2@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> There are two pairs of AM towers near Wellington Circle. The answer depends which pair you are talking about. The tall widely-spaced pair belongs to WEZE 590. These have been there since 1937 (although the original self-supporting towers that had stood on that spot for maybe 40 years were replaced by the present guy-supported towers in the late 70s or early 80s) . The much shorter and closer-spaced pair (shorter in absolute terms; closer spaced both in absolute terms and in relation to their height) belong to WXKS (AM). One of those is also used by WILD. Those have been there for perhaps 15 years. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? > On 30 Aug 2009 at 6:45, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Early this AM (before 5:00AM Sunday 8/30/09) I tuned in to 1200. I >> heard a "non-ID" that contained the words Rumba and >> mil-dos-cientos. >> So, for whatever it's worth, whatever the non-Rumba Spanish >> programming that WKOX was broadcasting yesterday, it was not >> broadcasting it early this morning. At that hour, WXKS (AM) is on >> night pattern and I can't hear it here, so I can't tell you whether >> 1200 and 1430 were back to simulcasting, but my guess is that they >> were. > > Speaking of 1430, now that the Cambridge District Court is in > Wellington Circle, Medford, I notice that there is a pair of radio > towers just behind it. Is that WXKS? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 31 00:52:32 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:52:32 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? In-Reply-To: <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4A9B5710.2700.C7A09E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 30 Aug 2009 at 12:53, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > There are two pairs of AM towers near Wellington Circle. The answer > depends which pair you are talking about. The tall widely-spaced pair > belongs to WEZE 590. These have been there since 1937 (although the > original self-supporting towers that had stood on that spot for maybe > 40 years were replaced by the present guy-supported towers in the late > 70s or early 80s) . The much shorter and closer-spaced pair (shorter > in absolute terms; closer spaced both in absolute terms and in > relation to their height) belong to WXKS (AM). One of those is also > used by WILD. Those have been there for perhaps 15 years. Well, since the Archives gives the address of the 590 transmitter as 4068 Mystic Valley Parkway, and the address of the Cambridge District Court is 4040 Mystic Valley Parkway, I'd say the towers I'm seeing are WEZE 590. The description seems to fit. Here's a picture of the court house, with one tower visible. http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/cambridgedistrict2.h tml -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 31 06:28:41 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:28:41 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> <4A9B5710.2700.C7A09E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <270326DC70814412926A8D684B16192A@SatU205S5044> Too little of the tower appears in the photo to be absolutely certain that it's one of the WEZE towers, but it almost certainly is one of them. The distance between those towers is a little more than twice their height. The distance between the much shorter WXKS towers is less than their height--probably noticeably less than their height. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:52 AM Subject: Re: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? > On 30 Aug 2009 at 12:53, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> There are two pairs of AM towers near Wellington Circle. The answer >> depends which pair you are talking about. The tall widely-spaced >> pair >> belongs to WEZE 590. These have been there since 1937 (although the >> original self-supporting towers that had stood on that spot for >> maybe >> 40 years were replaced by the present guy-supported towers in the >> late >> 70s or early 80s) . The much shorter and closer-spaced pair >> (shorter >> in absolute terms; closer spaced both in absolute terms and in >> relation to their height) belong to WXKS (AM). One of those is also >> used by WILD. Those have been there for perhaps 15 years. > > Well, since the Archives gives the address of the 590 transmitter as > 4068 Mystic Valley Parkway, and the address of the Cambridge > District > Court is 4040 Mystic Valley Parkway, I'd say the towers I'm seeing > are WEZE 590. The description seems to fit. Here's a picture of > the > court house, with one tower visible. > > http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/cambridgedistrict2.h > tml > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Aug 31 09:16:50 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:16:50 -0400 Subject: Freedom Communications may seek bankruptcy Message-ID: NPR's "Morning Edition" reported this morning that Freedom Communications, the owner of The Orange County Register and several other newspapers, plans to file for bankruptcy this week, the result of declining ad revenues. I wonder how this will affect Freedom's ownership of WRGB in Schenectady. Might a sale be in the offing? -Doug Reuters report: http://www.reuters.com/article/privateEquity/idUSN3041660020090831 From scott@fybush.com Mon Aug 31 09:22:32 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:22:32 -0400 Subject: Freedom Communications may seek bankruptcy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9BCE98.8070907@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > NPR's "Morning Edition" reported this morning that Freedom > Communications, the owner of The Orange County Register and several > other newspapers, plans to file for bankruptcy this week, the result > of declining ad revenues. I wonder how this will affect Freedom's > ownership of WRGB in Schenectady. Might a sale be in the offing? > -Doug > > Reuters report: > http://www.reuters.com/article/privateEquity/idUSN3041660020090831 > I've been listening to KNX from LA all morning to keep up with the Mount Wilson fires, and they're reporting that the bankruptcy is specific to the OC Register, which is apparently under its own corporate umbrella separate from Freedom. s From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Aug 31 08:49:34 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:49:34 -0400 Subject: Maine's Charlie Phillips passes Message-ID: <6F73344A6E08418C9850FE9597649047@Family> Charlie Phillips, a retired Air Force staff sergeant was the chief (and only) engineer we had at WIDE/WYJY in Biddeford when I first arrived there in 1984. Chas was a ham radio buff, and although he admittedly wasn't the best of on-air announcers, he wasn't the worst, either. Gene Terwilliger self-proclaimed that title for himself. (grin) With a roll of duct-tape and some gum, Chas would keep our mish-mash of multi-generational equipment running to keep us on the air. Charlie passed away Thursday at the age of 78. Rest easy, Chas. Thanks for the friendship and seat-of-our-pants radio education. --Chuck Igo http://www.legacy.com/mainetoday-pressherald/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=132067271 From necrat.alternate@gmail.com Mon Aug 31 13:15:40 2009 From: necrat.alternate@gmail.com (Mike Fitzpatrick) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:15:40 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? In-Reply-To: <270326DC70814412926A8D684B16192A@SatU205S5044> References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> <4A9B5710.2700.C7A09E@joe.attorneyross.com> <270326DC70814412926A8D684B16192A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000f01ca2a5e$aa69e700$ff3db500$@alternate@gmail.com> If you look real carefully, in the picture you can see the tower is painted. WXKS's towers are solid colored (grey or white). WEZE's are painted with Aviation bands. --Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg >Subject: Re: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? > >Too little of the tower appears in the photo to be absolutely certain >that it's one of the WEZE towers, but it almost certainly is one of >them. The distance between those towers is a little more than twice >their height. The distance between the much shorter WXKS towers is >less than their height--probably noticeably less than their height. ----- From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 31 16:42:50 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:42:50 -0400 Subject: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? References: <3344CCBA-27B4-489B-822A-86C120837924@comcast.net>, <9502586741FF42F58EF78EAED11A8AB6@SatU205S5044> <4A9B5710.2700.C7A09E@joe.attorneyross.com><270326DC70814412926A8D684B16192A@SatU205S5044> <000f01ca2a5e$aa69e700$ff3db500$@alternate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8205E423C3554DD481A4524D45B874C8@SatU205S5044> Yeah, r-i-i-i-i-ght... The only way you can tell for sure that the tower is striped is to KNOW before looking at the foto that it is striped. Gimme a break! Or maybe your monitor has higher resolution than mine. Mine is 1280X1024. I tried all sorts of magnification in Internet Explorer and higher magnification did not make the stripes any clearer. In fact, I think I can make a case that you need less imagination to see the stripes at lower magnification. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fitzpatrick" To: "'bri'" Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: RE: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? > If you look real carefully, in the picture you can see the tower is > painted. > > WXKS's towers are solid colored (grey or white). > WEZE's are painted with Aviation bands. > > --Mike > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Dan.Strassberg >>Subject: Re: 1200 and 1430 not a simulcast this afternoon? >> >>Too little of the tower appears in the photo to be absolutely >>certain >>that it's one of the WEZE towers, but it almost certainly is one of >>them. The distance between those towers is a little more than twice >>their height. The distance between the much shorter WXKS towers is >>less than their height--probably noticeably less than their height. > > ----- > From bob@demattia.net Sat Aug 29 23:29:38 2009 From: bob@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:29:38 -0400 Subject: WLBZ Bangor finally going back to VHF Message-ID: I just saw a story on WLBZ's sister station on WCSH announcing their moveto post-transition channel 2. Yes, they as of right now they are still on their transitional channel 25. http://www.wlbz2.com/life/programming/dtv/story.aspx?storyid=108571&catid=220 -Bob