From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Apr 1 02:23:36 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:23:36 -0500 Subject: WROR all Beatles today at least Message-ID: <20090401062336.2994383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> File under The Fool On The Air: WROR is now all-Beatles, for April Fools' Day at least... Some jokes/stunts: One year WILD played country instead of soul. At least during the morning show. WFNX DJ: "We promise we won't do any April Fools stuff, not us. We'll be right back with the new song by the Beatles in just a moment." (And it wasn't the year(s) when Real Love and Free as a Bird came out) WMWM: One year, top 40 (Madonna etc) This year, WROR: All Beatles TV division: IIRC, the volcano in the Blue Hills erupted--April Fool!--so said Ch. 7. Reportedly someone thought it was real and let the horses out of their barn, etc. From madprof@ix.netcom.com Wed Apr 1 02:45:11 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:45:11 -0400 Subject: Florida Keys antenna tower sites Message-ID: <380-2200943164511984@ix.netcom.com> Live Search / Virtual Earth aerial view (unknown date) shows the 4 Radio Marti towers _BUT_ FCC AM query no longer lists it, only 1180 in FL an app near Pensacola (Why would Radio Marti be discontinued? I'd think the beam to Cuba was still valuable) AM query shows WFFG 1300 Marathon, near sw corner of Boot Key, sw of Marathon. yes, WKIZ 1500 Key West WKWF 1600 Key West, near rt1, east end of Key West. I did wide (120km) FCC AM, FM & TV Queries, centering from Marathon, 24:42:48,81:05:26 which is close enuf to mid all Keys. Several FM's on Key West, Marathon, Key Largo and other Keys. Low power TV's exist on Key West & others. WSBS-TV 3 & WGEN-TV 8: FCC maps sw part of Key West FM query shows 115 licensed, applications, etc, TV query: 79 listings (too much to list in BRI, I invite you to view for yourself) http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html for AM query. "output" set on "AM Query: detailed output and CDBS links" then below "submit" line is the "stations within a radius", enter distance (ie 120km) and coordinates (Marathon). The page also connects to FM & TV queries. If you wish, I could Email you the text listings, but they do not include the local map links. I have old Topozone maps of Key West & Marathon, & also some gifs from 2002 of tower locations, Key West AM/FM/TV, Marathon AM/FM, Key Largo FM (don't have the URL, or updates) If you would like them, I could Email directly (no attachments in BRI) And (OffTopic) if you are a fan of Spider Robinson's "Callahans Key", enjoy Key West! (sci-fi author, wicked punster). Bob Sutherlan From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 08:21:57 2009 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WROR all Beatles today at least Message-ID: <42485.76958.qm@web39105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We have temporarily flipped to all world music. World 104 Your Putamayo Station --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Bob Nelson wrote: > From: Bob Nelson > Subject: WROR all Beatles today at least > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:23 AM > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > File under The Fool On The Air: WROR > is now all-Beatles, for April Fools' Day at least... > Some jokes/stunts: > > One year WILD played country instead of soul. At least > during the morning show. > > WFNX DJ: "We promise we won't do any April Fools stuff, not > us. We'll be right back with the > new song by the Beatles in just a moment." (And it wasn't > the year(s) when Real Love > and Free as a Bird came out) > > WMWM: One year, top 40 (Madonna etc) > > This year, WROR: All Beatles > > TV division: IIRC, the volcano in the Blue Hills > erupted--April Fool!--so said Ch. 7. Reportedly someone > thought it was real and let the horses out of their barn, > etc. > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Apr 1 10:35:53 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:35:53 EDT Subject: Cuts at WJAR Message-ID: I'm afraid that the days of the local TV station are numbered. NBC's&O division today (April 1st), is having it's O&O stations operated by an outside vendor down south. This is something I thought I would never see the O&O's were always a gold mine and having an outside vendor operate master control was out of the question. Not anymore. There is now talk of feeding the cable company head-ends directly completely bypassing local TV stations. Mike Hemeon In a message dated 4/1/2009 1:27:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>I never thought I'd see a time where TV and radio were in as bad shape as the newspaper industry. Media General is looking to cluster properties (newspapers, TV) in geographic markets as much as possible, see Tampa, so I would not be surprised if they dumped WJAR at some point soon (if they can find a buyer).<<< **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops ? Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631247x1201390185/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx) From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 1 11:56:39 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:56:39 -0400 Subject: Cuts at WJAR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18899.36535.339172.549500@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < I'm afraid that the days of the local TV station are numbered. NBC's&O > division today (April 1st), is having it's O&O stations operated by an outside > vendor down south. This is something I thought I would never see the O&O's were > always a gold mine and having an outside vendor operate master control was > out of the question. Although the situation is not comparable in many ways, I would note that none of the TV stations in the UK operate their own transmitters, and most don't operate their own master either. -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Apr 1 12:07:42 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:07:42 -0400 Subject: WROR all Beatles today at least In-Reply-To: <20090401062336.2994383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090401062336.2994383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <79BC7869-DF92-413F-A890-D35714FC72DC@charter.net> WBCN "flipped" to CHR this morning as "Power 104" during Toucher and Rich's morning show. This was in response to the rumors that CBS might actually flip 104.1 to the hits, as they've done in recent months to stations in LA, New York and Houston. At 9am they returned to the Rock... On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > File under The Fool On The Air: WROR is now all-Beatles, for April > Fools' Day at least... > Some jokes/stunts: > > One year WILD played country instead of soul. At least during the > morning show. > > WFNX DJ: "We promise we won't do any April Fools stuff, not us. > We'll be right back with the > new song by the Beatles in just a moment." (And it wasn't the > year(s) when Real Love > and Free as a Bird came out) > > WMWM: One year, top 40 (Madonna etc) > > This year, WROR: All Beatles > > TV division: IIRC, the volcano in the Blue Hills erupted--April > Fool!--so said Ch. 7. Reportedly someone > thought it was real and let the horses out of their barn, etc. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Apr 1 12:38:56 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:38:56 -0500 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) Message-ID: <20090401163856.39F4083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/31/AR2009033101032_pf.html Howard Kurtz said he took some heat for reporting a ratings bump for Rush Limbaugh as a result of the "Rush vs. Obama" controversy. Now he offers real numbers (admittedly 12 plus), and perhaps el Rushbo should forward some nice cigars to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. (though the Prez may be trying to quit) as a thank you. Yes, a certain blogger is mentioned but he does give real numbers, and that certain blogger for the record was also the one who, as far as I know, broke the story about Leveille's layoff. Take blogs with a grain of salt of course, but... And of course, what goes up, must come down, spinning wheel got to go round; Rush's ratings could just as easily deflate in the future, too. Meanwhile, with WKOX's stronger signal it's ironic Clear Channel dropped libtalk in late 2006; wonder what kind of ratings they'd get now with prog talk? I'm sure there would be a little improvement, at least. Who knows. But apparently Rumba brings in the dinero. (There also were rumors over the years of CC changing 1200 to conservative talk, perhaps even moving Rush, Beck, etc. there, but I don't know if that would happen or if they felt 1200 would not do well vs. WTKK, WBZ, and WRKO, etc.) In any case, up here on the north stretch of 128, 1200's signal is doing better by day and night as well. From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Apr 1 12:53:43 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:53:43 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <20090401163856.39F4083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090401163856.39F4083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <36499597294968474516270881123822112904-Webmail@me.com> No bump here for Rush. In February, his 25-54 AQH numbers are down 7% from January, in 9th place. His 12+ numbers are flat (down 100 people, actually), in 6th place. Howie's numbers are way higher than Rush, as are WBUR's and WEEI's drivetimes. On Wednesday, April 01, 2009, at 12:38PM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/31/AR2009033101032_pf.html > >Howard Kurtz said he took some heat for reporting a ratings bump for Rush Limbaugh as a result of the "Rush vs. Obama" >controversy. Now he offers real numbers (admittedly 12 plus), and perhaps el Rushbo should forward some nice cigars >to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. (though the Prez may be trying to quit) as a thank you. Yes, a certain blogger is mentioned >but he does give real numbers, and that certain blogger for the record was also the one who, as far as I know, broke >the story about Leveille's layoff. Take blogs with a grain of salt of course, but... From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 13:59:41 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light Message-ID: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come this September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see how the new production values held up (they didn't). http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 1 14:23:25 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:23:25 -0500 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) Message-ID: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Laurence" >To: "Bob Nelson" >Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) >Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:53:43 -0400 >No bump here for Rush. In February, his 25-54 AQH numbers are down >7% from January, in 9th place. His 12+ numbers are flat (down 100 >people, actually), in 6th place. Howie's numbers are way higher >than Rush, as are WBUR's and WEEI's drivetimes. Where are you getting these numbers? According to radioandrecords.com and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed. The only newspaper source covering radio, Jessica Heslam in the Chicopee Herald, hasn't run a recent column on the latest ratings. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 14:36:01 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:36:01 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> >No bump here for Rush. In February, his 25-54 AQH numbers are down >7% from January, in 9th place. His 12+ numbers are flat (down 100 >people, actually), in 6th place. Howie's numbers are way higher >than Rush, as are WBUR's and WEEI's drivetimes. >> Where are you getting these numbers? According to radioandrecords.com and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed. The only newspaper source covering radio, Jessica Heslam in the Chicopee Herald, hasn't run a recent column on the latest ratings. << Maybe he's a radio pro, working in the industry, with access to the numbers. ;-) From sid@wrko.com Wed Apr 1 14:42:33 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:42:33 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A44313F9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>According to radioandrecords.com and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed. The only newspaper source covering radio, Jessica Heslam in the Chicopee Herald, hasn't run a recent column on the latest ratings.<< Boston PPMs are NOT embargoed. They are what's known as "pre-currency"...IOW, not for public release until the time when the Winter book under the diary system would have been released. At that time the 6+ numbers will be routinely released to the public, just as the 12+ numbers were under the diary system. AFAIK Arbitron is using this procedure in all PPM markets, as they are moved over from diaries. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Apr 1 14:54:43 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:54:43 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) Message-ID: <79157302284609045790721627470791339332-Webmail@me.com> On Wednesday, April 01, 2009, at 02:23PM, "Laurence Glavin" wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mark Laurence" >>To: "Bob Nelson" >>Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >>Subject: Re: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) >>Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:53:43 -0400 > >>No bump here for Rush. In February, his 25-54 AQH numbers are down >>7% from January, in 9th place. His 12+ numbers are flat (down 100 >>people, actually), in 6th place. Howie's numbers are way higher >>than Rush, as are WBUR's and WEEI's drivetimes. > >Where are you getting these numbers? According to radioandrecords.com >and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed. The only newspaper >source covering radio, Jessica Heslam in the Chicopee Herald, hasn't >run a recent column on the latest ratings. I asked an Arbitron rep about this so-called embargo, and it appears the trades are not using the term accurately. They may be referring to the "pre-currency" nature of the January and February books. The first two months of PPM books are restricted from use in negotiating sales contracts. I work at Magic and have access to the numbers. You can read all about Arbitron's copyright policies here: http://www.arbitron.com/downloads/Copyrights.pdf . Specifically they say "don?t post any rankers except 12+, with estimates. Rankers without estimates are okay." From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 1 15:11:46 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:11:46 -0400 Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light References: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> Are you SURE the TV program first aired in 1937? I don't think there was commercial TV in 1937. Don't you mean 62 years? That would mean that the program first aired in 1947, which I could believe. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light > After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come this > September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan > back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for > about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see > how the new production values held up (they didn't). > > http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 15:17:32 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light In-Reply-To: <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> References: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <321758.17615.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It started on radio in 1937 and went to TV in 1952. ________________________________ From: Dan.Strassberg To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:11:46 PM Subject: Re: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light Are you SURE the TV program first aired in 1937? I don't think there was commercial TV in 1937. Don't you mean 62 years? That would mean that the program first aired in 1947, which I could believe. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light > After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come this > September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan > back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for > about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see > how the new production values held up (they didn't). > > http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html > > > From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 1 15:19:44 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:19:44 -0400 Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light In-Reply-To: <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> References: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49D3BE50.30509@fybush.com> I read Maureen's message to indicate that Guiding Light started on radio 72 years ago, which it indeed did, subsequently moving to TV. Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Are you SURE the TV program first aired in 1937? I don't think there > was commercial TV in 1937. Don't you mean 62 years? That would mean > that the program first aired in 1947, which I could believe. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM > Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light > > >> After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come this >> September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan >> back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for >> about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see >> how the new production values held up (they didn't). >> >> http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html >> >> >> > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 1 15:47:01 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:47:01 -0400 Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light References: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> <49D3BE50.30509@fybush.com> Message-ID: <5D6189AC87174C7490D35EF87544F1DE@SatU205S5044> I guess I have to say "my bad." I reread Maureen's message and she did refer to Guiding Light's history, which began on radio. I definitely remember Guiding Light on the radio in the early '40s. Can't remember what the theme song was, but it was some lugubrious public domain melody played by an organist, as were the themes of all daytime soaps (except for the late-afternoon kids' shows and one "adult" soap, whose theme music was played on a guitar by a guy who also sang the lyrics--as I recall, that theme was "Nee-tah--Jua-ha-ha--nita," but I have no clue what the name of the program was. Oh, and "Lorenzo Jones," the only soap-opera comedy that I can recall, had an up-tempo theme that was played by an organist--Finiculi, Finicula.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Maureen Carney" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light >I read Maureen's message to indicate that Guiding Light started on >radio 72 years ago, which it indeed did, subsequently moving to TV. > > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Are you SURE the TV program first aired in 1937? I don't think >> there >> was commercial TV in 1937. Don't you mean 62 years? That would mean >> that the program first aired in 1947, which I could believe. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" >> >> To: "Boston Radio Group" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM >> Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light >> >> >>> After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come >>> this >>> September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan >>> back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for >>> about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see >>> how the new production values held up (they didn't). >>> >>> http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html >>> >>> >>> >> From sid@wrko.com Wed Apr 1 16:02:35 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:02:35 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459BA6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>According to radioandrecords.com and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed.<< Quoting radio-info.com as a factual source? I'd like some of what you're smoking. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 1 16:30:00 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459BA6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459BA6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49D3CEC8.5020608@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> According to radioandrecords.com > and radio-info.com, Boston PPMs have been embargoed.<< > > Quoting radio-info.com as a factual source? > > I'd like some of what you're smoking. In defense of my former colleague (and now competitor) Tom Taylor, the news section he runs on the front page of R-I is top notch. If he says it, it's true - and on the very rare occasions when he's wrong, he doesn't hesitate to say so and correct himself. The problem he has at Radio-Info is that everyone still thinks of the site for its message boards, which are indeed a sewer of misinformation, ignorance and outright malice. (Except, of course, for my own posts there... :-) If I were running Radio-Info, I'd have launched Tom's daily newsletter, and the other original content they're trying to do there, under some completely different brand name so it would never be associated with the message boards. Good thing they didn't ask me for my advice... s From sid@wrko.com Wed Apr 1 16:36:26 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:36:26 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <49D3CEC8.5020608@fybush.com> References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459BA6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49D3CEC8.5020608@fybush.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459C46@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>In defense of my former colleague (and now competitor) Tom Taylor, the news section he runs on the front page of R-I is top notch. If he says it, it's true - and on the very rare occasions when he's wrong, he doesn't hesitate to say so and correct himself. The problem he has at Radio-Info is that everyone still thinks of the site for its message boards, which are indeed a sewer of misinformation, ignorance and outright malice. (Except, of course, for my own posts there... :-)<< Absolutely no disagreement there. Laurence was quoting something posted on the message boards, and that was the target of my comments. >>If I were running Radio-Info, I'd have launched Tom's daily newsletter, and the other original content they're trying to do there, under some completely different brand name so it would never be associated with the message boards. Good thing they didn't ask me for my advice...<< No, bad thing. They should have asked you...unless the definition of "information" changed while we weren't paying attention... Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 1 16:57:02 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:57:02 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459C46@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20090401182326.0BAC6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <0E73886BC23344E38A2F2308896E8971@MainXPPro> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459BA6@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <49D3CEC8.5020608@fybush.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459C46@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <49D3D51E.4070303@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> If I were running Radio-Info, I'd have launched Tom's daily >>> newsletter, > and the other original content they're trying to do there, under some > completely different brand name so it would never be associated with > the message boards. Good thing they didn't ask me for my advice...<< > > No, bad thing. They should have asked you...unless the definition of > "information" changed while we weren't paying attention... No, good thing - well, for me anyway. Remember, I work for a competitor! (That said, Tom is still a good friend and I wish him nothing but the best.) s From readaaron@friedbagels.com Wed Apr 1 17:52:05 2009 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:52:05 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question In-Reply-To: <409C5781A3DB4BCDA8E9FA3F2E2F08D4@D60NFN81> References: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> <409C5781A3DB4BCDA8E9FA3F2E2F08D4@D60NFN81> Message-ID: <49D3E205.80205@friedbagels.com> That Natick one is special, IIRC it's at the Natick Fire Dep't and it was part of some town administrator's grand idea of emergency communications for the Natick community. As in, specifically for Natick - not surrounding towns. The problem with that idea is that in an emergency, locals aren't going to tune to an unfamiliar frequency that usually just has a loop of marginally-useful information on it. They're going to tune to WBZ, or maybe WBUR, WRKO or WTKK. The only way that kind of hyper-local town radio works is if you give people a reason to tune into it every single day, so they know it's there. That level of quality in the programming requires a lot of effort and is expensive. I don't know if Natick is still trying to use 1630AM in that way; I haven't listened in years. But for the first few months after it came on the air it was just your typical TIS loop of (often outdated) info about yard waste pickup days and planned road closures months in advance. Yawn. - Aaron Bill wrote: > Many of the ones, I have seen, have been mounted on Trailers > that would typically containt the flashing arrows or Traffic Signs. > > They have Solar Panels and can be placed in the median or in-between the > ramps, such as the Rte-128/Rte-93 Clover ramps. > > A typical annual location, that might already be in-place is Rte-90 at > Rte-495 > for the Boston Marathon. > > > Licenses in Massachusetts are > > Bedford 1.6400 > Brockton 1.6200 > Leominster 1.6200 > Natick 1.6300 > Plymouth 1.6200 > Sharon - 1.6300 > Mass Highway - Temp 530 Khz > Mass Highway - Temp 1.7000 > > Mass Turnpike - Auburn, Boston, E.Boston, Charlton, Weston, Westboro > 530 Khz > > Mass Steamship - Falmouth 1.6100 > Mass Steamship - Hyannis 1.6100 > > Massport - Taxi Pool 1.6500 > > State of New Hampshire 530 khz > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: Mass Highway Radio Question > > >> Joe, usually...but not always...the TIS/HAR (Traveler's Info >> System/Highway Advisory Radio) transmitters are physically mounted on >> the highway sign announcing the presence of a TIS/HAR transmitter. >> Look for a small metal box, usually about 1.5ft square, with a 6-10ft >> whip antenna coming out of the top. That's usually the transmitter. >> >> Sometimes there's two boxes (a transmitter and an ATU/Antenna Tuning >> Unit) but usually it's just one. >> >> Often the quality of the audio does indeed stink; these units are IIRC >> limited to 10 watts ERP and the antennas are, as you might imagine, >> pretty low-efficiency. There's often a decent ground connection via >> the steel frame of the roadsign but that's only going to help so >> much. Toss in that the audio itself is usually fed via telephone, and >> not a good telephone (sometimes it's a cellphone) and there you go - >> crappy audio. >> >> For a long time there was an amusing setup on Rt.128 southbound, >> between the Rt.3 and MassPike exits (I don't remember exactly) where >> there was a new TIS roadsign and right behind it was a totally wrecked >> TIS roadsign that clearly still had a battered and beaten TIS >> transmitter attached to it. The new sign did not appear to have a new >> transmitter, so I had to assume that the old one was still marginally >> functional. >> >> I don't think Massachusetts has any, but upstate NY and parts of VT >> have LPFM licenses for TIS/HAR purposes. Those are different kettles >> of fish entirely as the antenna and transmitter are no different than >> any other LPFM, and may or may not (probably not) be mounted on the >> TIS/HAR announcement roadsign. >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio >> readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) >> Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm >> >> >> >> I am wondering where the transmitters are for the highway radio >> channels? They are advertising it in Woburn along 128, but the signal >> is really scratchy. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe Brown > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 1 18:23:39 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:23:39 -0400 Subject: Mass Highway Radio Question In-Reply-To: <49D3E205.80205@friedbagels.com> References: <49D102EF.40105@friedbagels.com> <409C5781A3DB4BCDA8E9FA3F2E2F08D4@D60NFN81> <49D3E205.80205@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <18899.59755.696190.191488@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > That Natick one is special, IIRC it's at the Natick Fire Dep't and it > was part of some town administrator's grand idea of emergency > communications for the Natick community. As in, specifically for Natick > - not surrounding towns. I believe that was part of a Homeland Security grant program. There are still plenty of signs for it around town. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 1 18:19:17 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:19:17 -0500 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) Message-ID: <20090401221917.CF4F21BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sid Schweiger" >To: "Scott Fybush" >Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: RE: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:36:26 -0400 >> In defense of my former colleague (and now competitor) Tom Taylor, the >news section he runs on the front page of R-I is top notch. If he says >it, it's true - and on the very rare occasions when he's wrong, he >doesn't hesitate to say so and correct himself. >The problem he has at Radio-Info is that everyone still thinks of the >site for its message boards, which are indeed a sewer of misinformation, >ignorance and outright malice. (Except, of course, for my own posts >there... :-)<< >Absolutely no disagreement there. Laurence was quoting something >posted on the message boards, and that was the target of my >comments. I mentioned radioandrercords.com along with radio-info.com, primarily because the latter had a thread titled "Boston PPMs". Upon further reflection, I believe the original site wherein I read that the Boston PPMs were "embargoed" was allaccess.com, which is not a message board. My apparent confusion of the two had nothing to do with what I was "smoking" because I have never, ever smoked ANYTHING, legal or not. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From sid@wrko.com Wed Apr 1 18:36:49 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:36:49 -0600 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <20090401221917.CF4F21BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090401221917.CF4F21BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459DD4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>Upon further reflection, I believe the original site wherein I read that the Boston PPMs were "embargoed" was allaccess.com, which is not a message board.<< The people at All Access who write about Arbitron do know the difference between "embargo" and "pre-currency," so even though the Arbitron posting notices are gone from last week's NetNews, I seriously doubt they confused the two. Springfield and Providence phase-2 Arbitrends WERE embargoed, but I found no notice that Boston's February PPM data (which came out last Wednesday) was embargoed, and we were able to obtain it here in the office (if it had been embargoed, even subscribers wouldn't have access to it). >>My apparent confusion of the two had nothing to do with what I was "smoking" because I have never, ever smoked ANYTHING, legal or not.<< Uh, Laurence...it was a JOKE... From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Apr 1 18:54:29 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:54:29 -0400 Subject: WEEI Network loses affiliate Message-ID: <27CDDE766DBE4324B77937DDF1063AA8@DanBillingsPC> The WEEI network is no longer being heard on JJ Jeffery's 95.5 Topsham. The network can still be heard on 95.9 Saco. 95.5 is now simulcasting the talk programming of 1310 WLOB, including the local morning talk show. Until last September, the talk was on 96.3, but when JJ signed up with WEEI, the local sports programming that was on 95.5 got moved to 96.3 and the talk station was left with only 1310 and its terrible signal. (I think regular flooding has screwed up the station's grounding system.) Now the talk programming can be heard throughout Greater Portland and Lewiston/Auburn. There is a lot of overlap between 95.5 and 95.9. I don't think WEEI loses much coverage -- though they could use and Augusta station. For some reason, Blueberry Broadcasting has WEEI on two Bangor stations but has Fox Sports on stations in Madison, Gardiner, and Rockland. From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Apr 1 19:09:44 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:09:44 -0400 Subject: Cuts at WJAR In-Reply-To: <281941.59809.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <281941.59809.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Craig Colson, the second generation anchorman at WABI-TV in Bangor, was one of several employees shown the door at the station: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/102872.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Cuts at WJAR > Meterologist Gary Ley (who was with the station 24 years), weekend anchor > Kelley McGee and news director Betty-Jo Cugini among the cuts. Media > General is talking cuts in other stations (Raliegh, Tampa.) Not a good > time in the industry. > > http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_CHANNEL_10_CUTS_03-31-09_F7DSNHD_v18.30aa71a.html > > > From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Apr 1 19:52:32 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:52:32 -0400 Subject: Kurtz, Wash Post: Rush's ratings bump real (12+) In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459DD4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20090401221917.CF4F21BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4459DD4@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: On Apr 1, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The people at All Access who write about Arbitron do know the > difference between "embargo" and "pre-currency," so even though the > Arbitron posting notices are gone from last week's NetNews, I > seriously doubt they confused the two. And yet they did. From last Thursday evening's All Access Complete 6+ Arbitron Monthly PPM E-mail: > Complete 6+ results can be found on the ARBITRON page at > AllAccess.com. > > Embargoed by ARBITRON today: BOSTON; > > ARBITRON WINTER '09 Phase 2 trends will be released beginning MARCH > 30th. > Which is why I asked the Arbitron rep about the "embargo" at the PPM training session on Friday. Again, he said it was news to him, so I think All Access made an error. They had also referenced an "embargo" when the January Boston PPM report came out. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Apr 1 20:33:24 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:33:24 -0400 Subject: Cuts at WABI-TV References: <281941.59809.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42456F87086E4BB68E510BA51C1ED57A@DougDrown> I remember when WVII (then WEMT) went on the air in the late '60s and the question was asked, "How can a market that small support three commercial TV stations?" It now has five, if you count WABI-DT (the CW affiliate), and with the economy in the hopper, maybe that question is finally being answered. Sad. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Maureen Carney" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Cuts at WJAR > Craig Colson, the second generation anchorman at WABI-TV in Bangor, was > one of several employees shown the door at the station: > > http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/102872.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Carney" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:35 PM > Subject: Cuts at WJAR > > >> Meterologist Gary Ley (who was with the station 24 years), weekend anchor >> Kelley McGee and news director Betty-Jo Cugini among the cuts. Media >> General is talking cuts in other stations (Raliegh, Tampa.) Not a good >> time in the industry. >> >> http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_CHANNEL_10_CUTS_03-31-09_F7DSNHD_v18.30aa71a.html >> >> >> > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Apr 1 20:54:35 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:54:35 -0400 Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light References: <707425.61468.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com><73F66864B6D6489B909E83957658B9CF@SatU205S5044> <49D3BE50.30509@fybush.com> Message-ID: Is "The Guiding Light" the oldest continuing network program, or is that honor still held by the Mormons' "Music and the Spoken Word"? The Mormon broadcast was over CBS Radio for decades, originating at KSL, but I'm not sure whether CBS still carries it or it's syndicated. I assume "Meet the Press" is the runner-up, or does CBS' World News Roundup predate that? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light >I read Maureen's message to indicate that Guiding Light started on radio 72 >years ago, which it indeed did, subsequently moving to TV. > > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Are you SURE the TV program first aired in 1937? I don't think there >> was commercial TV in 1937. Don't you mean 62 years? That would mean >> that the program first aired in 1947, which I could believe. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" >> To: "Boston Radio Group" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM >> Subject: CBS has cancelled Guiding Light >> >> >>> After 72 years on radio and TV, Guiding Light is going off come this >>> September. Wish I could say I didn't see this coming. I was a fan >>> back in high school (early 80s) and haven't seriously watched for >>> about 20 years. I did catch some episodes last summer just to see >>> how the new production values held up (they didn't). >>> >>> http://wcbstv.com/entertainment/guiding.light.cbs.2.973264.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From heritageradio@msn.com Thu Apr 2 01:56:20 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:56:20 -0400 Subject: GUIDING LIGHT Message-ID: GUIDING LIGHT - known originally as THE GUIDING LIGHT went on the air on radio January 25, 1037 on NBC and was last heard on CBS radio on June 29, 1956. Tom Heathwood From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 2 04:28:16 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:28:16 -0500 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk Message-ID: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> The WGIR News/Talk Network used to be on 1540 on the NH seacoast but now that's WXEX with oldies, etc. But Clear Channel has simply moved the news/talk to FM, flipping WQSO 96.7-- The Wave to that format. They have Imus in the Morning, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and Coast to Coast http://967thewave.com/main.html Now billed as The Seacoast's News Talk Station From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Apr 2 07:27:36 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:27:36 -0400 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk In-Reply-To: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000301c9b386$06e0b8b0$14a22a10$@net> > The WGIR News/Talk Network used to be on 1540 on the NH seacoast but > now that's WXEX with oldies, etc. But > Clear Channel has simply moved the news/talk to FM, flipping WQSO 96.7- > - The Wave to that format. They have > Imus in the Morning, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael > Savage, and Coast to Coast The WGIR network was also on 930 WGIN, so I wonder what they're doing now. 96.7's antenna is on one of the 930 towers in Rochester. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 2 07:42:19 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:42:19 -0400 Subject: Radio soap opera theme music Message-ID: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> In a post yesterday, I mentioned that the theme music of one daytime radio soap of the '40s was not played by an origanist but by a guitarist who also sang the lyrics. I cited the song as Neet-ah, Jua-ha-ha, Neet-ah but I had no clue about which program might have used this song as its theme. I wonder whether it might have been "Just Plain Bill (Barber of Hartville)." But thinking it over, there may have been more than one daytime soap that used a guitarist to play its theme music. ISTR a program whose theme was Polly Wally Doodle, also played on a guitar (but without a vocal, IIRC). Maybe THAT was the Just Plain Bill theme. And if it was, what program used Neet-ah? Anyone have any clues? Tom Heathwood? All this is bringing to mind Bob and Ray's wonderful parodies of daytime soaps. The most famous of them, Mary Backstage, Noble Wife, may have run as long as the "real" program, Mary Noble, Backstage Wife, (and I'd wager is remembered by more people than is the real program). But there were others, such as Mr Trace, Keener than Most Persons, a takeoff on the nighttime show, Mr Keane, Tracer of Lost Persons. Bob and Ray may also have done Mr Agony, a takeoff on the always tearful personal-advice program, Mr Anthony. I have heard an actual clip from Mr Anthony on Danny Stiles classic records show, which appears on erratic schedule, overnights on WRCA 1330 (Watertown). And Garrison Keillor sometimes does takeoffs on vintage radio soap operas on his NPR (or is it American Public Media) show, A Prairie Home Companion (Saturdays 6:00 to 8:00PM on WGBH-FM 89.7 (repeated Sundays at noon)). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 2 10:16:16 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:16:16 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate Message-ID: Not counting subsidiary services (for example, whatever you call the DAB equivalent of RDS), how many bits per second do they squeeze into the AM-band HD Radio datastream? Is it 32 kbps? At the moment, I am listening to what is reported as a 32-kbps Web stream from WHAT (AM) Philadelphia. The content consists of adult standards music and occasional voicetracked voice. I can't imagine anyone having any complaints about the audio quality of what I am listening to with this (rather mundane) content. In other words, 32 kbps through what I'm assuming is a lossy CODEC seems just fine for routine suff such as Frank Sinatra backed by Nelson Riddle (at least as good as the best I've heard recently on AM) but would it cut it for classical music or something else intended for an audio connoisseur? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Apr 2 10:28:20 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:28:20 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I doubt it would satisfy an audiophile, but the two AM stations I can get HD on in Andover (WBZ and WNNW) sound much, much better in HD. WNNW sounds very tinny without HD (kind of like WMEX did on a transistor radio in the 60s), but in HD, the music sounds really very nice. It does sound perhaps a little "flat" to the ear (I am not sure if that's because of compression or because the HD doesn't reach the highest and lowest sound frequencies). But it's much, much better. I tried comparing WBZ without HD, with HD, and as on WODS-HD3. The fullness of the sound was as you might expect: the FM sound was best, but not that much better than AM-HD. The plain vanilla WBZ was the worst. Even for voice I find the HD much nicer: the extra frequencies give depth and character to the voice that you miss on plain AM. To me, plain AM sounds like people are talking on the phone. HD sounds like they are in the room with you. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:16 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate Not counting subsidiary services (for example, whatever you call the DAB equivalent of RDS), how many bits per second do they squeeze into the AM-band HD Radio datastream? Is it 32 kbps? At the moment, I am listening to what is reported as a 32-kbps Web stream from WHAT (AM) Philadelphia. The content consists of adult standards music and occasional voicetracked voice. I can't imagine anyone having any complaints about the audio quality of what I am listening to with this (rather mundane) content. In other words, 32 kbps through what I'm assuming is a lossy CODEC seems just fine for routine suff such as Frank Sinatra backed by Nelson Riddle (at least as good as the best I've heard recently on AM) but would it cut it for classical music or something else intended for an audio connoisseur? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 2 10:29:43 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:29:43 -0500 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk Message-ID: <20090402142944.39AA183986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> It was mentioned on another board that it just says "610" now on the WGIR webpage, no mention of 930 (which like WQSO is licensed to Rochester). Co-owned WGIR does have the syndie talk I mentioned but also a local show in morning drive, unlike WQSO which offers Imus. (Also I believe they have Red Sox baseball and I think they used to have Bruins hockey, maybe still do) I'll have to check WGIN if I can pick them up here (sometimes...in the car) >>The WGIR network was also on 930 WGIN, so I wonder what they're doing now. 96.7's antenna is on one of the 930 towers in Rochester. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 2 10:36:35 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:36:35 -0500 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate Message-ID: <20090402143636.6D89E83986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>WNNW sounds very tinny without HD Speaking of WNNW "Power 800", last night I drove through N. Reading, Reading, Wakefield, and Lynnfield (Rt 28, Rt 128) and was able to get the Newton NH-based translator at 92.1 through all before other stations took over. There was an ID at 2 a.m., first in English then Spanish but I'm not sure if they gave the actual call letters (W221CH) or not (maybe in Spanish?) but the signal wasn't totally clear so I'm not sure. Incidentally the website for "Power 800" doesn't mention 92.1 yet and it's billed as "Boston's Only Hispanic Radio Station". Well, I guess they serve part of the Boston area at least (and 800 is quite strong) but what about WKOX and WXKS? From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Apr 2 10:52:15 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:52:15 -0400 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk In-Reply-To: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: At 3:28 AM -0500 4/2/09, Bob Nelson wrote: >The WGIR News/Talk Network used to be on 1540 on the NH seacoast but >now that's WXEX with oldies, etc. But >Clear Channel has simply moved the news/talk to FM, flipping WQSO >96.7-- The Wave to that format. They have >Imus in the Morning, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, >Michael Savage, and Coast to Coast > >http://967thewave.com/main.html > >Now billed as The Seacoast's News Talk Station With absolutely no local content? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Apr 2 11:33:07 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:33:07 -0400 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk In-Reply-To: References: <20090402082817.C4A5183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0904020833g652a3754ta7343887032a2263@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > With absolutely no local content? Looks that way; not sure if they're doing local news or not during morning or afternoon drive. The AM 930 in Rochester (WGIN) btw still appears to be simulcasting WGIR or at least they were running Glenn Beck this morning (picked up faintly here in Beverly) From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 2 12:19:40 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:19:40 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D4E59C.9010702@fybush.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Not counting subsidiary services (for example, whatever you call the > DAB equivalent of RDS), how many bits per second do they squeeze into > the AM-band HD Radio datastream? Is it 32 kbps? Indeed it is, using a proprietary codec. > At the moment, I am > listening to what is reported as a 32-kbps Web stream from WHAT (AM) > Philadelphia. The content consists of adult standards music and > occasional voicetracked voice. I can't imagine anyone having any > complaints about the audio quality of what I am listening to with this > (rather mundane) content. In other words, 32 kbps through what I'm > assuming is a lossy CODEC seems just fine for routine suff such as > Frank Sinatra backed by Nelson Riddle (at least as good as the best > I've heard recently on AM) but would it cut it for classical music or > something else intended for an audio connoisseur? Music on AM HD can sound surprisingly good. The earlier versions of the codec were MUCH better with music than with talk, which is kind of backwards for AM. More recent installations sound pretty good even with talk. My local WHAM is much more listenable in HD than in its bandwidth-limited analog. s From billohno@gmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:44:53 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:44:53 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate In-Reply-To: <49D4E59C.9010702@fybush.com> References: <49D4E59C.9010702@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49D4EB85.3010304@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > My local WHAM is much more listenable in HD than in its > bandwidth-limited analog. > Could HD save AM? Bill O From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Apr 2 12:51:55 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:51:55 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate In-Reply-To: <49D4EB85.3010304@gmail.com> References: <49D4E59C.9010702@fybush.com> <49D4EB85.3010304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C4992CD-44C5-46B6-904F-BC2FB1FA600D@mac.com> On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Scott Fybush wrote: >> My local WHAM is much more listenable in HD than in its bandwidth- >> limited analog. >> > > Could HD save AM? If you are just now getting around to asking, probably not! From friedbagels@gmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:03:37 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:03:37 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate Message-ID: <49D4E1D9.9010704@gmail.com> With HD Radio, the total bitrate includes everything: audio, headroom, subsidiary services like PSD/PAD (and many others), multicast channels (if any are possible), etc. For AM, the total bits is 40kbps, but with all the other stuff on there, the maximum for audio is about 32kbps, as you suspected. Not enough for any multicasting, BTW. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_radio The codec is a "black box" that iBiquity fought long and hard to (successfully) keep out of the final NRSC-5 standard. So nobody outside of iBiquity knows *exactly* what the HDC codec is. In reality we all know that, originally, the codec as a pretty version of PAC (Perceptual Audio Codec) which was a dismal failure; sounded terrible at low bitrates. After much scrambling, iBiquity (allegedly) put a wrapper around AAC and turned that into the new "HDC" codec. So basically, it's AAC, and stations generally process & pre-process their audio expecting the usual quirks of AAC (at least as a starting point). For a long time, many HD AM stations sounded like crap because AAC works better for music than it does for talk...as a lossy codec there's more "places to hide the missing bits" in music than there is in talk. It took a while before processing companies like Neural, Orban and Optimod figured out the ideal ways to process news/talk for HDC. Even now, not every station does it right; I've noticed that local to me, WHAM still sounds a lot crunchier/swishier than it should (although it's not all that bad) but WDCX sounds just awful. WHTK seems to have gotten it pretty right, though. Also worth noting, when you're multicasting on FM in "regular mode", you've got 96kbps total to play with. So WODS is probably splitting their HD to 33/33/33 or maybe 48/24/24. If the latter, it's entirely possible that WBZ-AM analog will sound "better" than the WODS-HD3. The HD3 will probably have a lot more high end, but may also sound more crunchy/swishy...WXXI-AM vs. WXXI-HD2 here in Rochester is like that; their AM sounds just flat-out incredibly good (put that bad boy on a wideband receiver and I'm in heaven) but the 48/24/24 split on WXXI-FM means the HD2 sounds just so-so. But as they promote it: no pesky pattern changes at sunset! :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm Not counting subsidiary services (for example, whatever you call the DAB equivalent of RDS), how many bits per second do they squeeze into the AM-band HD Radio datastream? Is it 32 kbps? At the moment, I am listening to what is reported as a 32-kbps Web stream from WHAT (AM) Philadelphia. The content consists of adult standards music and occasional voicetracked voice. I can't imagine anyone having any complaints about the audio quality of what I am listening to with this (rather mundane) content. In other words, 32 kbps through what I'm assuming is a lossy CODEC seems just fine for routine suff such as Frank Sinatra backed by Nelson Riddle (at least as good as the best I've heard recently on AM) but would it cut it for classical music or something else intended for an audio connoisseur? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 13:05:39 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Looking for suggestion for travel radio with good AM performance, but cheap Message-ID: <779599.97821.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For my trip to the Florida Keys, I think I'll leave my GE SuperRadio behind. I like it's performance, but it's too big when traveling very light. I would like to make room for my ham radio HT, the AM radio and my larger digital camera in a camera bag! Is there anything available that could somewhat approach the GE SuperRadio, but at 1/2 or less it's size, and for considerably less than $75. I acutally had a little Radio Shack portable that cost about $18 on sale, had good reception, but the tuning mechanism "fell apart". Built in speaker and an earphone jack are a must! John B From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Apr 2 14:23:21 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:23:21 -0400 Subject: Looking for suggestion for travel radio with good AM performance,but cheap In-Reply-To: <779599.97821.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <779599.97821.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c9b3c0$1b4047a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Sony makes some small radios that are quite good and have digital tuning (and shortwave on some), but are probably over $75 new. You might be able to get something to your liking on eBay, provided you have enough time before you go. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of John Bolduc > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:06 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Looking for suggestion for travel radio with good AM > performance,but cheap > > > For my trip to the Florida Keys, I think I'll leave my GE > SuperRadio behind. I like it's performance, but it's too big > when traveling very light. I would like to make room for my > ham radio HT, the AM radio and my larger digital camera in a > camera bag! > > Is there anything available that could somewhat approach the > GE SuperRadio, but at 1/2 or less it's size, and for > considerably less than $75. > > I acutally had a little Radio Shack portable that cost about > $18 on sale, had good reception, but the tuning mechanism > "fell apart". > > Built in speaker and an earphone jack are a must! > > > John B > From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 2 16:59:44 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:59:44 -0500 Subject: Radio soap opera theme music In-Reply-To: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> References: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49D4E0F0.9488.62B79B@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 Dan.Strassberg wrote: > All this is bringing to mind Bob and Ray's wonderful parodies of > daytime soaps. The most famous of them, Mary Backstage, Noble Wife, > may have run as long as the "real" program, Mary Noble, Backstage > Wife, (and I'd wager is remembered by more people than is the real > program). But there were others, such as Mr Trace, Keener than Most > Persons, a takeoff on the nighttime show, Mr Keane, Tracer of Lost > Persons. Bob and Ray may also have done Mr Agony, a takeoff on the > always tearful personal-advice program, Mr Anthony. I have heard an > actual clip from Mr Anthony on Danny Stiles classic records show, > which appears on erratic schedule, overnights on WRCA 1330 > (Watertown). Bob and Ray also did "One Fella's Family," a spoof of "One Man's Family." My favorite of their parodies was their space opera parody "Laurence Fectenberger, Interstellar Officer Candidate," sponsored by "Chocolate Cookies with White Stuff In Between Them." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 2 13:07:46 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:07:46 -0600 Subject: WLNG's Paul Sidney Dies Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904021007r7d2f11fdgd44cb9eeadf0dab5@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so this isn't directly related to Boston radio, but folks in Connecticut and Rhode Island will certainly be itnerested.. *Venerable radio host Paul Sidney, 69, dies* Paul Sidney, the president emeritus, general manager, co-owner and ubiquitous on-air host of WLNG 92.1 FM radio in Sag Harbor, died on Wednesday night. He was 69. Mr. Sidney had been an on-air voice at WLNG since the station began in 1963. Click below for the story: http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=203422 -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From markwats@comcast.net Thu Apr 2 17:53:05 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:53:05 -0400 Subject: WLNG's Paul Sidney Dies References: <8bce0fe80904021007r7d2f11fdgd44cb9eeadf0dab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93056BD9D28C4D7688EAEE71E89F10FE@Mark> Paul B. Walker Jr. wrote: > Paul Sidney, the president emeritus, general manager, co-owner and > ubiquitous on-air host of WLNG 92.1 FM radio in Sag Harbor, died on > Wednesday night. He was 69. > Mr. Sidney had been an on-air voice at WLNG since the station began in > 1963. I recall the first time I heard WLNG in 1990, when I went to visit friends who were living at that time in Groton CT. Definitely a unique sound, and since they've been streaming on line I do listen to them a couple of hours a week, plus I always listen on the radio when I am driving along the Southern CT. shoreline. The article says that WLNG will continue what they've been doing since 1963, as that's the way Paul would want it. An example of live & local full service radio that works. Not many of those left. I am listening to them on line as I type this. Evening jock Chuck Mackin made mention of the sad day at "Broadcast House". Also, he announced WLNG will be airing a tribute to Paul Sidney Friday from 1 to 2 PM. Mark Watson From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 2 19:34:00 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:34:00 -0400 Subject: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98C007705D8C4FE992B646B55ABD9F4A@hpomnibook2> I just tried them on my HD-Radio, and they are currently not streaming the HD-2 programming. Typically, they were running two separate Oldies music streams. They are broadcasting in HD-1 only with the Talk format. The other CC channels in Portsmouth are running either the same programming on HD, or another stream on HD-2. While were on HD, HD really cleans up the crappy AM 1380 signal here in York Beach. And, does the same for AM 930 and WBZ. Our Oldies 1540 station is not in HD, but has some of the best audio for a music station I have heard on AM in several years. SS -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil [mailto:kc1ih@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:52 AM To: Bob Nelson; BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: 96.7 on NH seacoast to talk At 3:28 AM -0500 4/2/09, Bob Nelson wrote: >The WGIR News/Talk Network used to be on 1540 on the NH seacoast but >now that's WXEX with oldies, etc. But >Clear Channel has simply moved the news/talk to FM, flipping WQSO >96.7-- The Wave to that format. They have >Imus in the Morning, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, >Michael Savage, and Coast to Coast > >http://967thewave.com/main.html > >Now billed as The Seacoast's News Talk Station With absolutely no local content? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 19:40:40 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno Message-ID: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: http://www2.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO109339/ Does Sunbeam want to lose the affiliation (even though NBC has extremely limited options)? From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 2 18:49:17 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:49:17 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno Message-ID: <49D540ED.6080102@fybush.com> Their website is now reporting that they'll be carrying 7 News at 10 on the mothership come September, followed by 7 News at 11. I wonder if that means Leno stays at 11:35, delayed, followed by Conan similarly delayed - or if Leno gets bumped over to 56? And what can NBC do about it, really? They're not operating from a position of much power at the moment... s From markwats@comcast.net Thu Apr 2 19:49:53 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:49:53 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maureen Carney wrote: > WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as I just saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article quotes the president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact with NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. He also says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. Isn't that license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally WGOT channel 60? Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html Mark Watson From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 20:23:31 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, it's WTMU, Telemundo 60. There's also the outside possibility of WBPX (and the stations on the Cape and in Concord, NH) as NBC still has some stake in Ion. Those are not strong options. Perhaps Sunbeam is using this as bait to get NBC to make an offer? ________________________________ From: Mark Watson To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:49:53 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno Maureen Carney wrote: > WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as I just saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article quotes the president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact with NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. He also says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. Isn't that license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally WGOT channel 60? Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Apr 2 21:19:42 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:19:42 -0500 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> This could be Ansin's way of telling NBC it is time to buy Channel 7 On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Yes, it's WTMU, Telemundo 60. There's also the outside possibility of WBPX > (and the stations on the Cape and in Concord, NH) as NBC still has some > stake in Ion. Those are not strong options. Perhaps Sunbeam is using this as > bait to get NBC to make an offer? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark Watson > To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group < > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:49:53 PM > Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > > Maureen Carney wrote: > > > > WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: > > You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as I just > saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article quotes the > president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact with > NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. He also > says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, > including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. Isn't that > license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally WGOT channel > 60? > > Link to the Globe article: > http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html > > Mark Watson > > > > From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 2 21:33:38 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:33:38 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A44E64DA@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>The Globe article quotes the president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact with NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation.<< Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the rule specifically prohibiting such conduct was ever changed or repealed. IOW, he can't do that over an affiliate's failure to clear one program, or any program for that matter. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 2 21:41:38 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:41:38 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > This could be Ansin's way of telling NBC it is time to buy Channel 7 I think it's a very high-stakes game of chicken. I suspect Ansin is betting that other NBC affiliates are equally unhappy with the Leno-at-10 concept, and that with WHDH leading the way as the biggest non-O&O market, others might look at following suit. If Ansin is betting that NBC will buy the station, I have a hunch he may be disappointed. I can't see NBC wanting it, and I certainly can't see them paying Ansin what the station would have been worth even a year or two ago. And if NBC calls Ansin's bluff and moves to WNEU, I'm not sure anyone really wins (except maybe WJAR). NBC's primetime numbers are bound to be lousy on an unknown station (see: CBS in Detroit), and WHDH would lose a lot of the programming that draws viewers there - Today, Olympics, etc. I wonder if Ansin would move CW to 7 so it has *something* to build on there? Here's one real long-shot scenario: I wonder if Hearst-Argyle (soon to be just Hearst again) would be more interested than NBC itself in acquiring and running an NBC affiliate on 60 or 68? Because neither station is among the four top-rated stations in the market, it could easily be acquired as a duopoly, and WCVB has the local newsroom that NBC itself wouldn't have. (Of course, ironically, the first thing Hearst would probably really want to do with a second station would be to put on a 10 PM newscast, so...) s From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 21:51:19 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> Message-ID: <440829.46497.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Scott wrote: Here's one real long-shot scenario: I wonder if Hearst-Argyle (soon to be just Hearst again) would be more interested than NBC itself in acquiring and running an NBC affiliate on 60 or 68? Because neither station is among the four top-rated stations in the market, it could easily be acquired as a duopoly, and WCVB has the local newsroom that NBC itself wouldn't have. Can Hearst have a duopoly, already owning WCVB and WMUR? I agree that other NBC affiliates aren't happy, but that's not going to change management's mind. NBC knows this will be lower ratings, but lower costs may make the nightly Leno show worthwile. WHDH will know they made a mistake when the Pats appear on Sunday Night Football. It the 11PM news isn't cutting it then do something else. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Apr 2 21:58:03 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:58:03 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> Sounds like it. I can't imagine what NBC's "strong options" would be. Wouldn't the network want a station that traditionally has been in a VHF slot? What are they gonna do, buy Channel 2? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Maureen Carney" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > This could be Ansin's way of telling NBC it is time to buy Channel 7 > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Yes, it's WTMU, Telemundo 60. There's also the outside possibility of >> WBPX >> (and the stations on the Cape and in Concord, NH) as NBC still has some >> stake in Ion. Those are not strong options. Perhaps Sunbeam is using this >> as >> bait to get NBC to make an offer? >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark Watson >> To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group < >> boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:49:53 PM >> Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno >> >> Maureen Carney wrote: >> >> >> > WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: >> >> You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as I just >> saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article quotes the >> president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact >> with >> NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. He also >> says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, >> including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. Isn't that >> license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally WGOT >> channel >> 60? >> >> Link to the Globe article: >> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html >> >> Mark Watson >> >> >> >> > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 22:15:10 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> Message-ID: <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Assume Fox viewing positions" (a line from "Married...With Children" as the Bundy's hang around the TV set with tinfoil, etc.) NBC would have to do a lot of education to get people to know they're on a new station, even with heavy cable penetration. For example, WTMU is on channel?19 in Framingham but two towns over in Holliston (where my family lives) it's on channel 95. I don't know if Comcast would make a change to a lower channel if a major network is involved. We on this list know that VHF and UHF don't matter that much anymore given digital and cable/satellite. Most of the general public still makes the distinction and 7NBC sounds better than NBC60. Perhaps Hearst is willing to part with either WCVB or WMUR? Given this economy they might be willing to sell. ________________________________ From: Doug Drown To: Kevin Vahey ; Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:58:03 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno Sounds like it.? I can't imagine what NBC's "strong options" would be. Wouldn't the network want a station that traditionally has been in a VHF slot?? What are they gonna do, buy Channel 2?? ? -Doug From dave@skywaves.net Thu Apr 2 22:35:31 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:35:31 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno References: <49D540ED.6080102@fybush.com> Message-ID: <24683DDE155F42FB8365F96D84C8968C@skywaves.com> Well, of course this is all speculation as usual; but with DTV the traditional distinctions between UHF and VHF go away. The supremacy of traditional VHF brands will certainly exist for a while, but in the age of Internet distibution of everything, it's hard to see how the distinction between VHF and UHF brands will survive in the long run. NBC can stream Leno to your desktop and your BlackBerry and your iPhone, and bypass the entire Boston broadcasting market, if they so choose. Hello? It's been said before, but it needs to be said again: The Internet changes everything. Absolutely everything. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: WHDH blows off Leno > > Their website is now reporting that they'll be carrying 7 News at 10 on > the mothership come September, followed by 7 News at 11. > > I wonder if that means Leno stays at 11:35, delayed, followed by Conan > similarly delayed - or if Leno gets bumped over to 56? > > And what can NBC do about it, really? They're not operating from a > position of much power at the moment... > > s > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 2 22:42:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:42:14 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> Message-ID: Channel 60 (or whatever the RF channel is) is not picked up by the channel scan on my DTV receiver or my DTV converter box. I live in Arlington Heights. "68" is fine here. I'm pretty sure that the digital 68 transmits from the candelabra tower in Newton. I have no idea where "60" transmits from but the OTA signal is definitely not competitive here. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Maureen Carney" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > Sounds like it. I can't imagine what NBC's "strong options" would > be. Wouldn't the network want a station that traditionally has been > in a VHF slot? What are they gonna do, buy Channel 2? -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Maureen Carney" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > > >> This could be Ansin's way of telling NBC it is time to buy Channel >> 7 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Maureen Carney >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, it's WTMU, Telemundo 60. There's also the outside possibility >>> of WBPX >>> (and the stations on the Cape and in Concord, NH) as NBC still has >>> some >>> stake in Ion. Those are not strong options. Perhaps Sunbeam is >>> using this as >>> bait to get NBC to make an offer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Mark Watson >>> To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group < >>> boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:49:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno >>> >>> Maureen Carney wrote: >>> >>> >>> > WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: >>> >>> You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as >>> I just >>> saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article >>> quotes the >>> president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their >>> contact with >>> NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. >>> He also >>> says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston >>> market, >>> including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. >>> Isn't that >>> license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally >>> WGOT channel >>> 60? >>> >>> Link to the Globe article: >>> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html >>> >>> Mark Watson >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Thu Apr 2 22:43:48 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:43:48 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I doubt Hearst would part with WCVB; it's the crown jewel of its broadcasting division. WMUR would be a possibility, but WMUR isn't carried by a lot of eastern and central Mass. cable systems. What's more, Hearst, through its ownership of WCVB, WMUR, WMTW, WNNE/WPTZ and NECN, has built quite the little television empire in New England. I'm not sure the company would want to break that up. Your observation that the VHF/UHF distinction doesn't matter anymore is true from a technical standpoint, but you're also correct in saying that the general public still makes the distinction. When CBS lost WJBK-TV, Channel 2, in Detroit back in the early '90s, it bought Channel 62, a UHF also-ran. Some time later it attached the historic WWJ call letters to the station, but I don't think the network has ever recovered from WJBK going over to Fox. The last I knew, WWJ-TV was the only CBS O&O that didn't have a local news operation --- this despite the fact that WWJ-AM is an all-news station. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Carney To: Doug Drown ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno "Assume Fox viewing positions" (a line from "Married...With Children" as the Bundy's hang around the TV set with tinfoil, etc.) NBC would have to do a lot of education to get people to know they're on a new station, even with heavy cable penetration. For example, WTMU is on channel 19 in Framingham but two towns over in Holliston (where my family lives) it's on channel 95. I don't know if Comcast would make a change to a lower channel if a major network is involved. We on this list know that VHF and UHF don't matter that much anymore given digital and cable/satellite. Most of the general public still makes the distinction and 7NBC sounds better than NBC60. Perhaps Hearst is willing to part with either WCVB or WMUR? Given this economy they might be willing to sell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Doug Drown To: Kevin Vahey ; Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:58:03 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno Sounds like it. I can't imagine what NBC's "strong options" would be. Wouldn't the network want a station that traditionally has been in a VHF slot? What are they gonna do, buy Channel 2? -Doug From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 22:53:27 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Now that Hearst is selling its share of NECN to Comcast perhaps there is a change in strategy. WMUR-DT is on Comcast in the Framingham area, at least. Maybe Hearst can flip that to NBC without losing much. As for WHDH, I never understood why Sunbeam signed them to an NBC affiliation when there were such hostile feelings over what happend with WSVN. I guess it was easier to just plug into "ER" or "Law and Order" than to come up with alternate programming. I'm not sure the Leno show works either, but someone had to try something outside the box. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 23:01:51 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH blows off Leno In-Reply-To: <24683DDE155F42FB8365F96D84C8968C@skywaves.com> References: <49D540ED.6080102@fybush.com> <24683DDE155F42FB8365F96D84C8968C@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <727617.4083.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I was at a conference for VCI (a traffic software package used by CSN) last summer and there were more than enough people afraid of just that - content going directly to BlackBerry or iPod/iPhone. While that's possible who would use that exclusively? Think about this - would a group of people gather around an iPhone to watch the SuperBowl if there were a big screen TV available nearby? No way! I don't dismiss it out of hand. I personally don't have a BlackBerry or iPhone and don't intend on getting one, but enough people do and are used to watching things in snippets. I just wonder in a few years if anyone will have the patience to sit through and watch an entire NBA game or even a 30 minute newscast. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 2 23:04:01 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:04:01 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Now that Hearst is selling its share of NECN to Comcast perhaps > there is a change in strategy. WMUR-DT is on Comcast in the > Framingham area, at least. Maybe Hearst can flip that to NBC without > losing much. Scott and I went over this on the phone a few minutes ago. Here's what you do: flip 9.1 to NBC, and put a DTS transmitter on the 10 ("46") tower in Bridgewater. Maybe add another DTS site in Boston proper (perhaps on the Pru once the 68 antenna's gone). Put ABC programming with New Hampshire advertising on 9.2 to feed local content to cable. 9.1 would entitled to must-carry throughout the Boston market, so the cable guys would have to comply. > I'm not sure the Leno show works either, but someone had to try > something outside the box. In a lot of ways, Leno doesn't need to "work" for NBCU to be happy -- he can be in fourth place at 10:00 and they're still making more money than they are with hour dramas in that slot. The affils, of course, are another story. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Apr 2 23:07:13 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:07:13 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D57D61.9090302@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > Now that Hearst is selling its share of NECN to Comcast perhaps there > is a change in strategy. WMUR-DT is on Comcast in the Framingham > area, at least. Maybe Hearst can flip that to NBC without losing > much. As for WHDH, I never understood why Sunbeam signed them to an > NBC affiliation when there were such hostile feelings over what > happend with WSVN. I guess it was easier to just plug into "ER" or > "Law and Order" than to come up with alternate programming. > > I'm not sure the Leno show works either, but someone had to try > something outside the box. I'm starting to warm to the idea of "NBC 9." It could get at least some over-the-air coverage in Boston as a subchannel on WCVB-DT (and vice versa for ABC via WMUR-DT). And I'm sure Hearst would rather compete against an independent 7 (or a CW 7?) than an NBC 7... s From torchia@technologist.com Thu Apr 2 04:52:18 2009 From: torchia@technologist.com (Bud Torchia) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:52:18 -0500 Subject: WABI CUTS Message-ID: <20090402085218.DB35B478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Good lord ! Who is left?? How does sales accomplish anything without any quality on air talent or direction support.? Bud -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From webmaster@rabbitears.info Thu Apr 2 23:25:20 2009 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:25:20 -0400 Subject: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. Message-ID: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> WMUR couldn't put a DTS transmitter on the WWDP tower because it's outside the WMUR protected contour. The signal would be crippled out of the gate. I doubt they could expand it due to WEDN in Norwich. More likely, NBC buys WWDP and moves it into Boston on channel 42. That would work. Full market signal, on par with everyone else. - Trip www.rabbitears.info From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 2 23:35:32 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:35:32 -0400 Subject: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. In-Reply-To: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> References: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> Message-ID: <18901.33796.447731.551163@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > More likely, NBC buys WWDP and moves it into Boston on channel 42. That > would work. Full market signal, on par with everyone else. If NBC were going to buy something, I know 62 is for sale, and it would probably be cheaper than buying 46 from Devon Paxson and moving it to Needham. -GAWollman From webmaster@rabbitears.info Thu Apr 2 23:46:00 2009 From: webmaster@rabbitears.info (Trip) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. In-Reply-To: <18901.33796.447731.551163@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> <18901.33796.447731.551163@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49D58678.704@rabbitears.info> [Whoops, forgot to send to the list. Not used to mailing lists. =) ] 62 is for sale? I thought Multicultural bought it not long ago and was going to launch Asian language programming on it, since Boston is the 11th largest Asian market or something... And besides, doesn't NBC own a share of 46? That might make it easier to manage. - Trip www.rabbitears.info Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> More likely, NBC buys WWDP and moves it into Boston on channel 42. That >> would work. Full market signal, on par with everyone else. >> > > If NBC were going to buy something, I know 62 is for sale, and it > would probably be cheaper than buying 46 from Devon Paxson and moving > it to Needham. > > -GAWollman > > From dave@skywaves.net Thu Apr 2 23:56:38 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:56:38 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno References: <49D540ED.6080102@fybush.com> <24683DDE155F42FB8365F96D84C8968C@skywaves.com> <727617.4083.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3900BB9061F54992BE10B6FBD606D587@skywaves.com> Hi Maureen- I agree. Nobody would use today's iPhone quality video exclusively, especially for high-profile events like the Super Bowl. But broadband keeps getting broader, and video compression keeps getting better, so it's not hard to envision a near- to mid-term future in which network-quality video is available for display on HD sets. Off-air-only reception accounts for something under 10% of the total TV household count, as I understand it. That means that more than 90% can get the show some other way. Why couldn't NBC contract to deliver Leno over FiOS/Cox/Comcast/Charter, completely bypassing the local affiliates, or use its existing alternate CATV-only channels to air the show? There's not a technical reason I can imagine, Should a local affiliate decide not to run the show, I would think NBC would be within its rights to air it through any alternate venue it chooses. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Carney To: Dave Doherty ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: WHDH blows off Leno I was at a conference for VCI (a traffic software package used by CSN) last summer and there were more than enough people afraid of just that - content going directly to BlackBerry or iPod/iPhone. While that's possible who would use that exclusively? Think about this - would a group of people gather around an iPhone to watch the SuperBowl if there were a big screen TV available nearby? No way! I don't dismiss it out of hand. I personally don't have a BlackBerry or iPhone and don't intend on getting one, but enough people do and are used to watching things in snippets. I just wonder in a few years if anyone will have the patience to sit through and watch an entire NBA game or even a 30 minute newscast. From heritageradio@msn.com Fri Apr 3 00:32:16 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:32:16 -0400 Subject: Radio soap opera theme music In-Reply-To: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> <49D4E0F0.9488.62B79B@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> <49D4E0F0.9488.62B79B@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe and Dan I'll remember your special interest in Matinee With Bob & Ray and their network shows, and play one on a upcoming Heritage Radio Theatre (The Olde Tyme Radio Network - www.VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast) Tom Heathwood HeritageRadio@msn.com (www.HeritageRadio.com) April 3rd ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Dan.Strassberg Cc: thomas heathwood ; Boston Radio Interest Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Radio soap opera theme music On 2 Apr 2009 Dan.Strassberg wrote: > All this is bringing to mind Bob and Ray's wonderful parodies of > daytime soaps. The most famous of them, Mary Backstage, Noble Wife, > may have run as long as the "real" program, Mary Noble, Backstage > Wife, (and I'd wager is remembered by more people than is the real > program). But there were others, such as Mr Trace, Keener than Most > Persons, a takeoff on the nighttime show, Mr Keane, Tracer of Lost > Persons. Bob and Ray may also have done Mr Agony, a takeoff on the > always tearful personal-advice program, Mr Anthony. I have heard an > actual clip from Mr Anthony on Danny Stiles classic records show, > which appears on erratic schedule, overnights on WRCA 1330 > (Watertown). Bob and Ray also did "One Fella's Family," a spoof of "One Man's Family." My favorite of their parodies was their space opera parody "Laurence Fectenberger, Interstellar Officer Candidate," sponsored by "Chocolate Cookies with White Stuff In Between Them." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 3 00:36:24 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:36:24 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think they're running the analog 60 anymore....They even ID as WNEU-DT 34. -Paul H Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Mark Watson" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > Yes, it's WTMU, Telemundo 60. There's also the outside possibility of WBPX > (and the stations on the Cape and in Concord, NH) as NBC still has some > stake in Ion. Those are not strong options. Perhaps Sunbeam is using this > as bait to get NBC to make an offer? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark Watson > To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group > > Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:49:53 PM > Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > > Maureen Carney wrote: > > >> WHDH is airing news at 10 this Fall instead of Jay Leno: > > You must be psychic Maureen. I was just typing a post on this, as I just > saw the story on the Boston Globe website. The Globe article quotes the > president of NBC, who says WHDH is violating the terms of their contact > with NBC, and if they persist they will strip Channel 7's affiliation. He > also says they have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, > including their existing broadcast license to launch an O &O. Isn't that > license the Telemundo station licensed to Merrimack, originally WGOT > channel 60? > > Link to the Globe article: > http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_no_le.html > > Mark Watson > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 00:56:15 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:56:15 -0500 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> Looks like this could be a repeat of NBC's San Jose situation. Channel 11 does not have a good OTA signal in SF or the East Bay but they are on all cable outlets. Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is considered part of the Boston market for TV? Maureen Ansin got a fantastic deal to carry NBC and the peacock made sure they would never be burnt again which set up the situation in San Francisco. Now if really want to think outside the box consider this option. Ansin flips 7 to FOX and FOX then sells 25 to NBC. This would then allow Murdoch to buy the Globe. From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Apr 3 01:15:17 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:15:17 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D59B65.6070607@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is > considered part of the Boston market for TV? What would that do to OTA viewers in NH? (I'm guessing that OTA reception is more common up there than here.) --RC From heritageradio@msn.com Fri Apr 3 01:16:43 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:16:43 -0400 Subject: Radio soap opera theme music In-Reply-To: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> References: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Dan - Your question regarding the soap opera theme: The program was called The Romance of Helen Trent, whose heroine was sometimes called "The Queen of the Soaps" - On the air for 27years - 7,222 chapters (episodes). It starred Julie Stevens in the title role for the majority of the show. The theme song, Juanita" was hummed and played on the guitar by Stanley Davis. "And now.....The Romance of Helen Trent - the real-life drama of Helen Trent - who, when life mocks her, dashes her against the rocks of despair - fights back bravely, successfully to prove what so many women long to prove in their own lives....that because a woman is 35 and more, romance in life need not be over....that the romance of youth can extend into middle age...and even beyond" The program was on the air regionally from July 24, 1933 , then to CBS on October 30, 1933 all the way through June 24, 1960. Helen Trent was among many radio soaps that have been good sellers in my catalo since the 1970's. The Bob & Ray original WHDH shows were "rescued" by me 20 years ago at the old WHDH AM transmitter (in a basement "vault"). Tom Heathwood < Subject: Radio soap opera theme music In a post yesterday, I mentioned that the theme music of one daytime radio soap of the '40s was not played by an origanist but by a guitarist who also sang the lyrics. I cited the song as Neet-ah, Jua-ha-ha, Neet-ah but I had no clue about which program might have used this song as its theme. I wonder whether it might have been "Just Plain Bill (Barber of Hartville)." But thinking it over, there may have been more than one daytime soap that used a guitarist to play its theme music. ISTR a program whose theme was Polly Wally Doodle, also played on a guitar (but without a vocal, IIRC). Maybe THAT was the Just Plain Bill theme. And if it was, what program used Neet-ah? Anyone have any clues? Tom Heathwood? All this is bringing to mind Bob and Ray's wonderful parodies of daytime soaps. The most famous of them, Mary Backstage, Noble Wife, may have run as long as the "real" program, Mary Noble, Backstage Wife, (and I'd wager is remembered by more people than is the real program). But there were others, such as Mr Trace, Keener than Most Persons, a takeoff on the nighttime show, Mr Keane, Tracer of Lost Persons. Bob and Ray may also have done Mr Agony, a takeoff on the always tearful personal-advice program, Mr Anthony. I have heard an actual clip from Mr Anthony on Danny Stiles classic records show, which appears on erratic schedule, overnights on WRCA 1330>> (Watertown). From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 01:27:24 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:27:24 -0400 Subject: GUIDING LIGHT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D565FC.2159.841A14@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 at 1:56, thomas heathwood wrote: > GUIDING LIGHT - known originally as THE GUIDING LIGHT went on the air > on radio January 25, 1037 on NBC and was last heard on CBS radio on > June 29, 1956. Tom Heathwood 1037? Wow, it HAS been on a long time! (Sorry, but that was too good to resist!) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 01:27:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:27:26 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com>, <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 at 21:41, Scott Fybush wrote: > And if NBC calls Ansin's bluff and moves to WNEU, I'm not sure anyone > really wins (except maybe WJAR). NBC's primetime numbers are bound to > be lousy on an unknown station (see: CBS in Detroit), and WHDH would > lose a lot of the programming that draws viewers there - Today, > Olympics, etc. WNEU? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 01:27:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:27:26 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, , <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D565FE.30395.842101@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 at 19:53, Maureen Carney wrote: > Now that Hearst is selling its share of NECN to Comcast perhaps there > is a change in strategy. WMUR-DT is on Comcast in the Framingham area, > at least. Maybe Hearst can flip that to NBC without losing much. As > for WHDH, I never understood why Sunbeam signed them to an NBC > affiliation when there were such hostile feelings over what happend > with WSVN. I guess it was easier to just plug into "ER" or "Law and > Order" than to come up with alternate programming. What would channel 7 do without a network affiliation? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 01:27:26 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:27:26 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <49D565FE.9613.842219@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 at 22:43, Doug Drown wrote: > Your observation that the VHF/UHF distinction doesn't matter anymore > is true from a technical standpoint, but you're also correct in saying > that the general public still makes the distinction. When CBS lost > WJBK-TV, Channel 2, in Detroit back in the early '90s, it bought > Channel 62, a UHF also-ran. Some time later it attached the historic > WWJ call letters to the station, but I don't think the network has > ever recovered from WJBK going over to Fox. The last I knew, WWJ-TV > was the only CBS O&O that didn't have a local news operation --- this > despite the fact that WWJ-AM is an all-news station. I always thought the influence of local news was important in bringing viewers to the channel. Perhaps part of CBS's problem in the market is BECAUSE its local affiliate doesn't have a local news operation. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 01:27:27 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:27:27 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49D565FF.5060.8422E1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2009 at 23:04, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In a lot of ways, Leno doesn't need to "work" for NBCU to be happy -- > he can be in fourth place at 10:00 and they're still making more money > than they are with hour dramas in that slot. The affils, of course, > are another story. Why can't the TV networks just feed programming to cable directly, like a cable network? Back in the 1950s, I got annoyed often with local stations' habit of moving network shows around or not carrying them at all. Sometime in high school, after the first communications satellites went up, I got the idea that a TV network should try to get a license for a particular channel nationwide and, with satellites, beam a signal direct to homes. Of course, I didn't know that it would require dish antennas to receive, but then again, I think that was pretty good for a teenager in the early 1960s. I also thought up the idea of recording TV shows on magnetic disks. I didn't know why there might be any advantages over tape, but since there were already several media around, I thought up another one. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From heritageradio@msn.com Fri Apr 3 01:44:14 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:44:14 -0400 Subject: OLDEST RADIO SHOWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to Jack French. editor of Radio Recall Magazine: The April issue of RADIO RECALL will be emailed this week to subscribers who have elected PDF version; hard-copy fans will have to wait another two weeks. Here's a preview of this jam-packed edition.... Our front page article is "Longest Running Radio Shows" by Jim Cox, listing in order the shows with the longest duration, including the top four with over 70 years of airtime each: "Grand Ol' Opry," "Mormon Tabernacle Choir," "Lutheran Hour," and "Metropolitan Opera." Tom Heathwood From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 02:06:30 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:06:30 -0500 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> WNEU is owned by NBC and runs Spanish programs. On 4/3/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 2 Apr 2009 at 21:41, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> And if NBC calls Ansin's bluff and moves to WNEU, I'm not sure anyone >> really wins (except maybe WJAR). NBC's primetime numbers are bound to >> be lousy on an unknown station (see: CBS in Detroit), and WHDH would >> lose a lot of the programming that draws viewers there - Today, >> Olympics, etc. > > WNEU? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Apr 3 03:06:14 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 03:06:14 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <49D56952.9090106@fybush.com> <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0904030006s5a2749d2ta998137319b9bb32@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of pre-emptions, there was one point when WBZ, then an NBC affiliate, wouldn't run the then-new Late Night with David Letterman (IIRC, or was it the Tomorrow show?) and Friday night's SCTV...they ran "Hawaii Five O" reruns instead. SCTV regulars Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis, who played the ultra-Canadian McKenzie brothers, used to joke about "hosers" on the show... and one day, they made a guest appearance on WBCN. Someone called in and asked them to define a "hoser". "Well, you know that people at the NBC station in Boston who won't run us? THAT is a hoser..." From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 06:26:34 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 03:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. In-Reply-To: <49D58678.704@rabbitears.info> References: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> <18901.33796.447731.551163@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49D58678.704@rabbitears.info> Message-ID: <250252.62487.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 62 is still running infomercials. No sign of any ethnic programming. They do have a digital subchannel that runs intermittently, but it simulcasts the main channel anyway. I guessing Multicultural was hoping that producers of ethnic shows would line up to buy time and spare them the expense of developing them. That's what they do with their radio stations. ________________________________ From: Trip To: Garrett Wollman Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 11:46:00 PM Subject: Re: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. [Whoops, forgot to send to the list.? Not used to mailing lists. =) ] 62 is for sale?? I thought Multicultural bought it not long ago and was going to launch Asian language programming on it, since Boston is the 11th largest Asian market or something... And besides, doesn't NBC own a share of 46?? That might make it easier to manage. - Trip www.rabbitears.info Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >? >> More likely, NBC buys WWDP and moves it into Boston on channel 42.? That would work.? Full market signal, on par with everyone else. >>? ? > > If NBC were going to buy something, I know 62 is for sale, and it > would probably be cheaper than buying 46 from Devon Paxson and moving > it to Needham. > > -GAWollman > >? From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 06:32:01 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 03:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <772206.32387.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wasn't there a plan to move WMUR to the Boston market back around 1955? The story I heard was that the channel 5 license was in never-ending FCC hearings and Storer Broadcasting wanted to buy WMUR and move the transmitter near the boarder. WMUR would become the de-facto ABC affiliate for the area and potentially cripple channel 5 if/when it got on the air. Storer never got the deal done. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:56:15 AM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno Looks like this could be a repeat of NBC's San Jose situation. Channel 11 does not have a good OTA signal in SF or the East Bay but they are on all cable outlets. Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is considered part of the Boston market for TV? Maureen Ansin got a fantastic deal to carry NBC and the peacock made sure they would never be burnt again which set up the situation in San Francisco. Now if really want to think outside the box consider this option. Ansin flips 7 to FOX and FOX then sells 25 to NBC. This would then allow Murdoch to buy the Globe. From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Apr 3 07:10:07 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:10:07 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno Message-ID: <0KHI008Y2V0HDA30@asmtp019.mac.com> Why doesn't RCN have to carry WMUR in Boston? I think other cable systems in the market also do not, which might affect the outcome of these schemes. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:56 AM Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is considered part of the Boston market for TV? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 3 08:36:58 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:36:58 -0400 Subject: Radio soap opera theme music References: <90AB56E4094646B09C14599D5DAE64C6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Thanks, Tom: That intro to The Romance of Helen Trent is _priceless_! Maybe it was shortened in later years to something like, "Can a woman over 40 find romance and happiness with a younger man?" If I've remembered that correctly (and you can tell me that I haven't), the changes reflect certain societal changes. Did 35 really change to 40? It's possible; it would have reflected the aging of the population. Did the revised version REALLY mention "a younger man?" Woman in relationships with younger men remained a social taboo until, I'd say, the early '90s. And such relationships still raise eyebrows. Interesting note: My parents were married in 1927. My mom was 27 and was two years and 10 months older than my dad. They used to joke about how she had robbed the cradle. When you say that you rescued the Bob and Ray episodes from the basement of the "old" WHDH transmitter building, do you mean the one in Needham or the one in Saugus? After WHDH moved to Needham, its old Saugus site becme the home of WORL (950). My understanding is that the Saugus building, which was quite a showplace in its day, had to be condemned, razed, and replaced with a less opulent building (the current one) as the Ocean began to reclaim it. My guess is that the current Saugus building dates to the '70s or thereabouts. That scenario would have left the basement of the Saugus building more or less permanently flooded in its later days, which probably would have ruined anything that remained there. So if you got the recordings from the basement of the Needham building and they were recorded before the 1947 move, someone before you had taken care of them even before you found them. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas heathwood" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Radio soap opera theme music Dan - Your question regarding the soap opera theme: The program was called The Romance of Helen Trent, whose heroine was sometimes called "The Queen of the Soaps" - On the air for 27years - 7,222 chapters (episodes). It starred Julie Stevens in the title role for the majority of the show. The theme song, Juanita" was hummed and played on the guitar by Stanley Davis. "And now.....The Romance of Helen Trent - the real-life drama of Helen Trent - who, when life mocks her, dashes her against the rocks of despair - fights back bravely, successfully to prove what so many women long to prove in their own lives....that because a woman is 35 and more, romance in life need not be over....that the romance of youth can extend into middle age...and even beyond" The program was on the air regionally from July 24, 1933 , then to CBS on October 30, 1933 all the way through June 24, 1960. Helen Trent was among many radio soaps that have been good sellers in my catalo since the 1970's. The Bob & Ray original WHDH shows were "rescued" by me 20 years ago at the old WHDH AM transmitter (in a basement "vault"). Tom Heathwood < Subject: Radio soap opera theme music In a post yesterday, I mentioned that the theme music of one daytime radio soap of the '40s was not played by an origanist but by a guitarist who also sang the lyrics. I cited the song as Neet-ah, Jua-ha-ha, Neet-ah but I had no clue about which program might have used this song as its theme. I wonder whether it might have been "Just Plain Bill (Barber of Hartville)." But thinking it over, there may have been more than one daytime soap that used a guitarist to play its theme music. ISTR a program whose theme was Polly Wally Doodle, also played on a guitar (but without a vocal, IIRC). Maybe THAT was the Just Plain Bill theme. And if it was, what program used Neet-ah? Anyone have any clues? Tom Heathwood? All this is bringing to mind Bob and Ray's wonderful parodies of daytime soaps. The most famous of them, Mary Backstage, Noble Wife, may have run as long as the "real" program, Mary Noble, Backstage Wife, (and I'd wager is remembered by more people than is the real program). But there were others, such as Mr Trace, Keener than Most Persons, a takeoff on the nighttime show, Mr Keane, Tracer of Lost Persons. Bob and Ray may also have done Mr Agony, a takeoff on the always tearful personal-advice program, Mr Anthony. I have heard an actual clip from Mr Anthony on Danny Stiles classic records show, which appears on erratic schedule, overnights on WRCA 1330>> (Watertown). From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Apr 3 09:06:56 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:06:56 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com><99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown><588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com><826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> <772206.32387.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6188A822A9D146708448D052FADD3DFD@DougDrown> True story, yes. And as for the question of what Channel 7 would do if it weren't a network affiliate . . . just ask the folks at KRON in San Francisco. I understand that's been a bit of a disaster. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > Wasn't there a plan to move WMUR to the Boston market back around 1955? > The story I heard was that the channel 5 license was in never-ending FCC > hearings and Storer Broadcasting wanted to buy WMUR and move the > transmitter near the boarder. WMUR would become the de-facto ABC affiliate > for the area and potentially cripple channel 5 if/when it got on the air. > Storer never got the deal done. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:56:15 AM > Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > > Looks like this could be a repeat of NBC's San Jose situation. Channel > 11 does not have a good OTA signal in SF or the East Bay but they are > on all cable outlets. > > Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is > considered part of the Boston market for TV? > > Maureen Ansin got a fantastic deal to carry NBC and the peacock made > sure they would never be burnt again which set up the situation in San > Francisco. > > Now if really want to think outside the box consider this option. > > Ansin flips 7 to FOX and FOX then sells 25 to NBC. This would then > allow Murdoch to buy the Globe. > > > > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Apr 3 09:38:34 2009 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:38:34 -0400 Subject: Looking for suggestion for travel radio with good AM performance, but cheap Message-ID: <8CB82789ED6FAE1-1798-2308@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com> Probably more than anybody ever needed to know about small radios is on the following site: "http://www.dxer.ca/files/cat_view/87-ultra-light-radio-files-area/94-ult ralight-radios" or just type "ultralight radios" into Google and be prepared for a LOT of reading on the subject. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Sony makes some small radios that are quite good and have digital tuning (and shortwave on some), but are probably over $75 new. You might be able to get something to your liking on eBay, provided you have enough time before you go. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of John Bolduc > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:06 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Looking for suggestion for travel radio with good AM > performance,but cheap > > > For my trip to the Florida Keys, I think I'll leave my GE > SuperRadio behind. I like it's performance, but it's too big > when traveling very light. I would like to make room for my > ham radio HT, the AM radio and my larger digital camera in a > camera bag! > > Is there anything available that could somewhat approach the > GE SuperRadio, but at 1/2 or less it's size, and for > considerably less than $75. > > I acutally had a little Radio Shack portable that cost about > $18 on sale, had good reception, but the tuning mechanism > "fell apart". > > Built in speaker and an earphone jack are a must! > > > John B >> From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Apr 3 09:46:00 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:46:00 -0400 Subject: WMUR replacing WHDH? I doubt it. In-Reply-To: <49D58678.704@rabbitears.info> References: <49D581A0.7020808@rabbitears.info> <18901.33796.447731.551163@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49D58678.704@rabbitears.info> Message-ID: <18902.4888.316018.144824@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > 62 is for sale? I thought Multicultural bought it not long ago and was > going to launch Asian language programming on it, since Boston is the > 11th largest Asian market or something... Liu defaulted on his loans and had to put all of the Multicultural TV stations except Bridgeport ("New York") into a trust. This happened back in January. > And besides, doesn't NBC own a share of 46? That might make it easier > to manage. They do own 36.8% of WWDP. -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Apr 3 09:52:31 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:52:31 -0400 Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . Message-ID: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> Here's my suggestion: NBC should buy WUNI, Channel 27. That way, Worcester will finally get the network affiliate (and recognition) that it has so long deserved as New England's "second city." With tongue not-so-firmly implanted in cheek, Doug (Disgruntled Worcester County native) ;-) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 09:15:16 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels Message-ID: <516867.71477.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?Why couldn't Channel 7 Boston have both news and Leno at 10:00pm? Leno on 7.1 and News on 7.3, or the other way around. John B From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 10:35:56 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> Message-ID: <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> While we're throwing ideas out - would CBS sell 38 to NBC? ________________________________ From: Doug Drown To: Boston Radio Interest Board Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:52:31 AM Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . Here's my suggestion: NBC should buy WUNI, Channel 27. That way, Worcester will finally get the network affiliate (and recognition) that it has so long deserved as New England's "second city." With tongue not-so-firmly implanted in cheek, Doug (Disgruntled Worcester County native)? ;-) From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 10:35:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:35:52 -0500 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <772206.32387.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <456575.40748.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com> <99E88C21F5604C98811E4DDA2CA85407@DougDrown> <588048.38816.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <826489.47287.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18901.31905.616887.112771@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770904022156p99ba13em53a001190050db7a@mail.gmail.com> <772206.32387.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904030735k72361433hb5ecac1bc1d37167@mail.gmail.com> Storer wanted to buy Storer wanted to buy WMUR but the deal hinged on being able to move the transmitter to Georgetown, MA. It would have been an indy along the lines of WGN and WOR featuring a lot of sports. On 4/3/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Wasn't there a plan to move WMUR to the Boston market back around 1955? The > story I heard was that the channel 5 license was in never-ending FCC > hearings and Storer Broadcasting wanted to buy WMUR and move the transmitter > near the boarder. WMUR would become the de-facto ABC affiliate for the area > and potentially cripple channel 5 if/when it got on the air. Storer never > got the deal done. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:56:15 AM > Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > > Looks like this could be a repeat of NBC's San Jose situation. Channel > 11 does not have a good OTA signal in SF or the East Bay but they are > on all cable outlets. > > Could WMUR move the transmitter to Needham now since Manchester is > considered part of the Boston market for TV? > > Maureen Ansin got a fantastic deal to carry NBC and the peacock made > sure they would never be burnt again which set up the situation in San > Francisco. > > Now if really want to think outside the box consider this option. > > Ansin flips 7 to FOX and FOX then sells 25 to NBC. This would then > allow Murdoch to buy the Globe. > > > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 3 10:43:11 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:43:11 -0400 Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > While we're throwing ideas out - would CBS sell 38 to NBC? If the price were right, maybe...but beyond whatever name recognition 38 still has left, and the good cable positioning it has across the entire market, NBC would still be left with the challenge of having to build a new station from scratch, since WSBK's studio facility and staff would stay with CBS/WBZ. (And there's still the reality that the last thing NBC wants to be doing right now is buying another TV station, when it can't even sell the stuff it wants to unload.) If WBZ/WSBK weren't network-owned, I could certainly imagine 38 coming into play as a new home for NBC while remaining part of the duopoly with WBZ. But with CBS owning the pair, that won't be happening. s From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 11:00:31 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <592645.56862.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> CBS probably wouldn't want to sell for one reason - they can run their Patriots related programming (like 5th Quarter) and not disrupt either a second football game or regular CBS programming. Not to mention running Revolution soccer, which was included in the deal and would be harder to program on WBZ. It was just a thought. Even if NBC were to?flip the Telemundo station they still would have to get a local studio (I don't believe they have one now) and news staff. The difference is they don't have to shell out for a licence or have to sell another station to fit it in.? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 10:40:29 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels Message-ID: <732970.32866.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 4/3/09, John Bolduc wrote: > Why couldn't Channel 7 Boston have both news and Leno at > 10:00pm? Leno on 7.1 and News on 7.3, or the other way > around. Wouldn't placing Leno on any channel but the main channel bring on the same issues, re: violating the deal with NBC? Has this issue ever been litigated/ruled upon? From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 12:04:41 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels Message-ID: <445423.72642.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The problem with using subchannels is that not everyone has access to them. WHDH is lucky in that 7.2 is on Comcast channel 297 and was not dropped when NBC Weather Plus ended back in December. They could use 7.2 for news at 10, but 1) This TV is usually in the middle of a movie at that time and 2) it defeats the purpose of getting the local spots in front of the most people. From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 3 12:16:58 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:16:58 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: <732970.32866.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <732970.32866.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D6367A.2040500@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > On Fri, 4/3/09, John Bolduc wrote: >> Why couldn't Channel 7 Boston have both news and Leno at 10:00pm? >> Leno on 7.1 and News on 7.3, or the other way around. > > Wouldn't placing Leno on any channel but the main channel bring on > the same issues, re: violating the deal with NBC? Has this issue ever > been litigated/ruled upon? There are a couple of issues at play here. NBC's affiliation agreement with WHDH probably predates digital subchannels - but I would imagine it would be interpreted as requiring the NBC programming, if carried at all, to be carried on 7.1. Putting Leno on 7.3 would make him invisible to much of the potential audience, since the subchannel, if carried on cable at all, would be up on some digital tier. The more visible place to put Leno might be on 56. That brings up another issue, which is the provision in FCC rules that prohibits networks from mandating that affiliates carry any specific programming, and requires networks to offer that programming to other stations in the market if it's not cleared by the primary affiliate. That rule dates back to the "Report on Chain Broadcasting" of 1939-1940, when the FCC was concerned, not without reason, about the extent to which networks were exercising total programming control over their affiliates. It's my impression that recent affiliation agreements have been written in a way that may not (and remember, IANAL) be enforceable under those rules. The primary recourse networks are supposed to have when an affiliate pre-empts too much of their programming is to switch affiliates at renewal time (as CBS chose to do in 1972 when it learned how much local programming WCVB planned to run)...but that's much harder to do when two of the other "big four" stations in the market are O&Os and the third is part of a very large non-O&O group with strong corporate ties to Disney/ABC. s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Apr 3 12:26:23 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:26:23 -0400 Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003a01c9b478$ee1e2d00$ca5a8700$@com> > If WBZ/WSBK weren't network-owned, I could certainly imagine 38 coming > into play as a new home for NBC while remaining part of the duopoly > with > WBZ. But with CBS owning the pair, that won't be happening. > Are we sure of that? With Sumner Redstone about to be collecting food stamps, they may want to pay off some debt. [Brian Vita] From aerie.ma@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 12:50:37 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:50:37 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: <445423.72642.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <445423.72642.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can a station broadcast two HD channels simultaneously? WHDH News is in HD, and undoubtedly a network prime show will be in HD too. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:05 PM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels The problem with using subchannels is that not everyone has access to them. WHDH is lucky in that 7.2 is on Comcast channel 297 and was not dropped when NBC Weather Plus ended back in December. They could use 7.2 for news at 10, but 1) This TV is usually in the middle of a movie at that time and 2) it defeats the purpose of getting the local spots in front of the most people. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 12:54:19 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:54:19 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Lenousing sub-channels References: <732970.32866.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49D6367A.2040500@fybush.com> Message-ID: > The more visible place to put Leno might be on 56. I think that's the more logical solution as well...for all parties. Sunbeam and NBC are negotiating. I think the solution they could all live with is to put Leno on 56. What would be interesting is if Leno on 56.....beats 7News at 7. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 13:00:59 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <003a01c9b478$ee1e2d00$ca5a8700$@com> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown> <657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> <003a01c9b478$ee1e2d00$ca5a8700$@com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904031000s4a04e19ew2a4c117d13663608@mail.gmail.com> I suppose Ansin could move Leno to 56 as a simulcast of news at 10 would not make much sense. The market has accepted WFXT as a legit news player in the last decade and that is another problem for 7. Another possible option. Could Murdoch buy 7 and make that FOX and then flip 25 to MY? He owns 5 and 9 in NYC and 32 and 50 in Chicago. Ansin would have to unload 56 to somebody (NBCU?) and CW could wind up on 50. Of course having Murdoch as a bidder for 7 might force NBCU to pay the piper and buy 7. Ansin has some nice cards to play even in this economic climate. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Apr 3 14:40:00 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:40:00 EDT Subject: WLNG's Paul Sidney Dies Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2009 8:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: .....I recall the first time I heard WLNG in 1990, when I went to visit friends who were living at that time in Groton CT. Definitely a unique sound, and since they've been streaming on line I do listen to them a couple of hours a week, plus I always listen on the radio when I am driving along the Southern CT. shoreline. The article says that WLNG will continue what they've been doing since 1963, as that's the way Paul would want it. An example of live & local full service radio that works. Not many of those left. I am listening to them on line as I type this. Evening jock Chuck Mackin made mention of the sad day at "Broadcast House". Also, he announced WLNG will be airing a tribute to Paul Sidney Friday from 1 to 2 PM........ I loved that station and Paul Sidney. You could tell by listening to it that everyone there was having fun working there. I received it clearly when I was living in Milford and Fairfield, CT in the 80's. Mike Hemeon **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Fri Apr 3 14:55:41 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:55:41 EDT Subject: WHDH snubs Leno Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2009 8:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>>Does Sunbeam want to lose the affiliation (even though NBC has extremely limited options)?<<<< I am not exactly sure that NBC is teh oe with the extremely limited options. According to Jeff Immelt, he see the future of Network TV utilizing the same business model as their cable stations such as MSNBC, CNBC, and the Universal cable channels. If you look at the viewers that still receive their TV service OTA NBC wouldn't be loosing too much. The satellite equipment at an O&O or affiliate is an very expensive proposition and to distribute directly to a cable hub would be much less expensive. All that would be required is a dish without all of the automated hardware and software that is involved with an affiliate. A dish and a couple of receivers and you are on the air and as for selling the local avails NBC could be thrown in with NBC/Universal's cable channel package. I don't think that the conversion to digital OTA has helped the OTA situation much; I have never been a fan of 8-VSB. Sunbeam would seem to be the one with limited options there are only so many episodes of Gillgan's Island to go around. Mike Hemeon NBC Principal Engineer, Satellite Systems (RET) **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 15:35:04 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <101425.47877.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And herein lies the problem - the technology and those providing it may be ready to move on, but I'm not so sure the general public is there yet. I can tell you the ad agencies aren't there - they're still selling in the :15/:30/:60 spot mode. What I have noticed is the agencies panicking and trying to "saturate" shows in their target audience - multiple spots in a short time, bookends, :60 spots, daypart rotations. This oddly enough seems to be the very behavior that is driving viewers to alternate media! ________________________________ From: "TVNETDUDE@aol.com" To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org Cc: m_carney@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 2:55:41 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno In a message dated 4/2/2009 8:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>>Does Sunbeam want to lose the affiliation (even though NBC has extremely limited options)?<<<< I am not exactly sure that NBC is teh oe with the extremely limited options. According to Jeff Immelt, he see the future of Network TV utilizing the same business model as their cable stations such as MSNBC, CNBC, and the Universal cable channels. If you look at the viewers that still receive their TV service OTA NBC wouldn't be loosing too much. The satellite equipment at an O&O or affiliate is an very expensive proposition and to distribute directly to a cable hub would be much less expensive. All that would be required is a dish without all of the automated hardware and software that is involved with an affiliate. A dish and a couple of receivers and you are on the air and as for selling the local avails NBC could be thrown in with NBC/Universal's cable channel package. I don't think that the conversion to digital OTA has helped the OTA?situation much;?I have never been a fan of 8-VSB. Sunbeam would seem to be the one with?limited options there are only so many episodes of Gillgan's Island to go around. Mike Hemeon NBC Principal Engineer, Satellite Systems (RET) ________________________________ Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Apr 3 15:10:17 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:10:17 -0400 Subject: AM-band HD Radio bit rate Message-ID: <49D65F19.5070008@gmail.com> Short answer? No, it won't "save" AM. Nor will HD Radio "save" FM. Not in the way you're presumably implying...that AM/FM radio is "under attack" from iPods, webcasting and satellite radio. The two things that make media competitive with other media are content and convenience. Radio still has a substantial edge in the convenience department (especially if you factor "ubiquitousness" in there). Granted, iPods have a different edge but they still require a lot of work on the front end to get all the music in there in the first place. Unfortunately, radio has ridden the convenience advantage at the expense of the content advantage, which - generally speaking - iPods, webcasts and satradio all beat MOST radio handily on. As the other media get more and more convenient, radio will lose market share. HD Radio will not change that alone. But what it WILL do is provide additional flexibility to allow for more enhanced content than analog radio alone can. Much like how TV started out as "radio with pictures", over time we'll gradually see HD Radio's digital flexibility leveraged in new and interesting ways to enhance the core content. In a sense, that does mean HD Radio is providing parity to the advantages (especially in metadata) that other digital media...like iPods, etc...all have. As for AM HD Radio, the technical problems with the core technology are substantial. In my uninformed opinion, I don't think it'll survive on its own. However, if a long-overdue purging of both the AM and FM bands of underperforming signals is done, and a subsequent massive reshuffling of signals between the bands is also done...I think you could get the AM band "clean enough" that the necessary 30kHz bandwidth of an AM HD Radio signal will not wreak havoc with adjacent signals. Politically I'm not sure this is possible, but I can tell you that it IS possible technically...albeit if the NRSC-5 is scrapped and the Digital Radio Mondiale system adopted instead, along with a reallocation of TV Channels 5 and 6 to the FM band. A comprehensive and viable migration plan was published in Radio World a few months ago. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm Scott Fybush wrote: > My local WHAM is much more listenable in HD than in its > bandwidth-limited analog. > Could HD save AM? Bill O From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 3 18:07:25 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:07:25 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0904030006s5a2749d2ta998137319b9bb32@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4fc429770904021819q6b6c5578nef6b603ae6a798b6@mail.gmail.com><49D56952.9090106@fybush.com><49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com><4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> <1fbbbced0904030006s5a2749d2ta998137319b9bb32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21F9D761F76A4F3A8A72B88B2125D7AA@PaulPC> I remember that as I was a Ch 10 WJAR watcher of SCTV... -Paul H Derry NH (then Randolph MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > Speaking of pre-emptions, there was one point when WBZ, then an NBC > affiliate, wouldn't run > the then-new Late Night with David Letterman (IIRC, or was it the > Tomorrow show?) and Friday night's SCTV...they ran > "Hawaii Five O" reruns instead. SCTV regulars Dave Thomas and Rick > Moranis, who > played the ultra-Canadian McKenzie brothers, used to joke about > "hosers" on the show... > and one day, they made a guest appearance on WBCN. Someone called in and > asked > them to define a "hoser". "Well, you know that people at the NBC > station in Boston who > won't run us? THAT is a hoser..." > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 3 18:16:37 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:16:37 -0400 Subject: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904031000s4a04e19ew2a4c117d13663608@mail.gmail.com> References: <16486939E3C344B0880AAC902BC16FFF@DougDrown><657185.47067.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com><49D6207F.20504@fybush.com> <003a01c9b478$ee1e2d00$ca5a8700$@com> <4fc429770904031000s4a04e19ew2a4c117d13663608@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I doubt he could make 25 MY as wasn't WZMY ready to file a suit as they were using the "MY TV" moniker before Fox? Isn't that why MY TV is on WZMY instead of WSBK (or was it the CBS O&O thing there, too?) -Paul H Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: If NBC and 7 part ways . . . >I suppose Ansin could move Leno to 56 as a simulcast of news at 10 > would not make much sense. > > The market has accepted WFXT as a legit news player in the last decade > and that is another problem for 7. > > Another possible option. Could Murdoch buy 7 and make that FOX and > then flip 25 to MY? He owns 5 and 9 in NYC and 32 and 50 in Chicago. > Ansin would have to unload 56 to somebody (NBCU?) and CW could wind up > on 50. > Of course having Murdoch as a bidder for 7 might force NBCU to pay the > piper and buy 7. Ansin has some nice cards to play even in this > economic climate. > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 18:42:41 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:42:41 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2009 at 1:06, Kevin Vahey wrote: > WNEU is owned by NBC and runs Spanish programs. I suspect that a move of NBC to WNEU would recall my father's remark when the Red Sox moved from WHDH and WHDH-TV to WITS and channel 38, neither of which came it very well at our location in Bedford. He said, "What is a big league ball club doing with minor league stations?" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 18:42:41 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:42:41 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0904030006s5a2749d2ta998137319b9bb32@mail.gmail.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com>, <1fbbbced0904030006s5a2749d2ta998137319b9bb32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D658A1.12476.436372@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2009 at 3:06, Bob Nelson wrote: > Speaking of pre-emptions, there was one point when WBZ, then an NBC > affiliate, wouldn't run the then-new Late Night with David Letterman > (IIRC, or was it the Tomorrow show?) and Friday night's SCTV...they > ran "Hawaii Five O" reruns instead. SCTV regulars Dave Thomas and Rick > Moranis, who played the ultra-Canadian McKenzie brothers, used to joke > about "hosers" on the show... and one day, they made a guest > appearance on WBCN. Someone called in and asked them to define a > "hoser". "Well, you know that people at the NBC station in Boston who > won't run us? THAT is a hoser..." As I recall, in the early 1990s, WBZ was regularly pre-empting NBC shows, to the point where channel 62 became a secondary NBC affiliate, carrying programs that WBZ didn't carry. Maybe the upshot of all this will be that Leno will be on some other station, while channel 7 remains the primary NBC affiliate. This was particularly common in the early days, when there were fewer stations than networks. When WHDH-TV 5 came on in November 1957, it was primarily an ABC affiliate, but it carried a number of NBC and CBS shows that channels 4 and 7 didn't carry. I remember that included a couple of daytime game shows that were on while channel 4 had noon news and Big Brother Bob Emery (ABC didn't have daytime programming at the time), the Huntley-Brinkley news, the CBS news with Douglas Edwards (in preference to ABC's John Daly), Meet the Press, and the Tonight Show with Jack Parr. At the same time, ABC's Mickey Mouse Club remained on channel 7 until the following fall. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 3 18:42:41 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:42:41 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: <516867.71477.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <516867.71477.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D658A1.30482.43641C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2009 at 6:15, John Bolduc wrote: > > ?Why couldn't Channel 7 Boston have both news and Leno at 10:00pm? > Leno on 7.1 and News on 7.3, or the other way around. Doesn't Ansin also own channel 56? Don't they have 7 news on 56 at 10? What happens to that? Do they really want two news programs competing with each other? How about Leno on 56? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 3 18:50:17 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:50:17 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> <49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Even in Randolph, WITS's signal at night was less than perfect.... I remember listening to the '78 swoon (Night Games Only) on Kiss-108 predecessor WWEL-FM.... -Paul H Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno > On 3 Apr 2009 at 1:06, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> WNEU is owned by NBC and runs Spanish programs. > > I suspect that a move of NBC to WNEU would recall my father's remark > when the Red Sox moved from WHDH and WHDH-TV to WITS and channel 38, > neither of which came it very well at our location in Bedford. He > said, "What is a big league ball club doing with minor league > stations?" > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 3 18:55:36 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:55:36 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com> <49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49D693E8.8060503@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 3 Apr 2009 at 1:06, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> WNEU is owned by NBC and runs Spanish programs. > > I suspect that a move of NBC to WNEU would recall my father's remark > when the Red Sox moved from WHDH and WHDH-TV to WITS and channel 38, > neither of which came it very well at our location in Bedford. He > said, "What is a big league ball club doing with minor league > stations?" Of course, the Sox played a pretty big role in making 38 a major-league station. If WNEU became "NBC Boston," it would have some pretty strong leverage to get better cable channel positions than it enjoys as a Telemundo outlet. And it still has WTMU-LP as a Boston relay, with a pending application to go digital on 42 (ironically, the channel WHDH-DT now uses.) So WNEU (or whatever it would become) would be something of a player from day 1...albeit probably one like WWJ-TV 62 in Detroit, with no significant local news presence. This still assumes, of course, that NBC has even the slightest interest in owning a TV station. I still suspect there are other scenarios that are more likely in the long run - either Ansin agreeing to put Leno on 56, or backing down completely and putting him on 7, or Hearst taking NBC on WMUR and a WCVB subchannel. It's interesting that NOBODY has floated the idea of WZMY signing on with NBC. I guess they're that insignificant a presence these days...AL Kaprielian notwithstanding. s From friedbagels@gmail.com Fri Apr 3 15:15:39 2009 From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:15:39 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno Message-ID: <49D6605B.3050503@gmail.com> I think, given the penetration of cable and satellite TV...most of which is digital with a channel guide...that this is all mouse farts, and that NBC and WHDH can squabble all they want; if people want Leno, they'll just look for him on the channel guide. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio friedbagels@gmail.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm Kevin Vahey wrote: > This could be Ansin's way of telling NBC it is time to buy Channel 7 I think it's a very high-stakes game of chicken. I suspect Ansin is betting that other NBC affiliates are equally unhappy with the Leno-at-10 concept, and that with WHDH leading the way as the biggest non-O&O market, others might look at following suit. If Ansin is betting that NBC will buy the station, I have a hunch he may be disappointed. I can't see NBC wanting it, and I certainly can't see them paying Ansin what the station would have been worth even a year or two ago. And if NBC calls Ansin's bluff and moves to WNEU, I'm not sure anyone really wins (except maybe WJAR). NBC's primetime numbers are bound to be lousy on an unknown station (see: CBS in Detroit), and WHDH would lose a lot of the programming that draws viewers there - Today, Olympics, etc. I wonder if Ansin would move CW to 7 so it has *something* to build on there? Here's one real long-shot scenario: I wonder if Hearst-Argyle (soon to be just Hearst again) would be more interested than NBC itself in acquiring and running an NBC affiliate on 60 or 68? Because neither station is among the four top-rated stations in the market, it could easily be acquired as a duopoly, and WCVB has the local newsroom that NBC itself wouldn't have. (Of course, ironically, the first thing Hearst would probably really want to do with a second station would be to put on a 10 PM newscast, so...) s From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 3 19:14:58 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:14:58 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: References: <445423.72642.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D69872.1080802@fybush.com> Jim Hall wrote: > Can a station broadcast two HD channels simultaneously? WHDH News is in HD, > and undoubtedly a network prime show will be in HD too. The answer is, "yes, but." While a few stations, mostly in smaller markets, are cramming two HD streams into one DTV channel, there are serious picture-quality compromises involved, because so much compression is needed. I suspect the question would be more likely to come up if Hearst were to put NBC on WMUR, which would probably lead to WCVB becoming a subchannel on WMUR-DT and vice versa. s From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 19:21:28 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: <49D658A1.30482.43641C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <516867.71477.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D658A1.30482.43641C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <836480.17995.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ansin has said they are simulcasting the 10PM news on both station. Whether that's posturing to see how far NBC will go is anyone's guess. If this was any other owner I would say a settlement would be negotiated soon. Not so much with Ansin, given the hard feelings he has towards NBC when they took affiliation away from WSVN. There may be an agreement before September but not without drama. ________________________________ From: A. Joseph Ross To: John Bolduc Cc: boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 6:42:41 PM Subject: Re: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels On 3 Apr 2009 at 6:15, John Bolduc wrote: > > ?Why couldn't Channel 7 Boston have both news and Leno at 10:00pm? > Leno on 7.1 and News on 7.3, or the other way around. Doesn't Ansin also own channel 56?? Don't they have 7 news on 56 at 10?? What happens to that?? Do they really want two news programs competing with each other?? How about Leno on 56? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? http://www.attorneyross.com From markwats@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 19:59:36 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:59:36 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com><49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> <49D693E8.8060503@fybush.com> Message-ID: Scott Fybush wrote: > It's interesting that NOBODY has floated the idea of WZMY signing on with > NBC. I guess they're that insignificant a presence these days...AL > Kaprielian notwithstanding. I haven't really watched WZMY since they became WZMY. I wonder if WZMY would approach NBC or NBC would approach 'ZMY. When they first switched to "My TV" there had a pretty decent promotional campaign (newspaper ads and bus ads in Lowell), they also were doing "on the street" interviews in the Southern NH/Merrimack valley area. One day a "My TV" crew in downtown Lowell stopped me to ask my opinion on some current event. I didn't even watch to see if my tape made it to the air. As far as Al goes, I can hear his weather on WCAP, as he has been providing their weather forecasts for the past few months. Mark Watson From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 20:52:56 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: References: <745747.99100.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <49D565FE.12394.841FF2@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770904022306v40f21388p98a2d8ae7baa3b62@mail.gmail.com><49D658A1.9398.43626E@joe.attorneyross.com> <49D693E8.8060503@fybush.com> Message-ID: <376097.44128.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WZMY doesn't have any local news. Even the personalities they used to host their infomercials have gone. They still have their MyTV Marketplace block (My Elegant Wedding, My Outdoors)?- not sure how well it's doing. When Shooting Star first flipped to the My TV branding (before the network) they ran movies in the morning. Now they run something called "Shopping Plus" which I'm guessing is home shopping. Everything they've did to make it distinctive has gone by the wayside (except good ol' Al). http://www.mytvstation.tv/program_schedule.html ________________________________ From: Mark Watson To: Scott Fybush ; A. Joseph Ross ; Boston Radio Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 7:59:36 PM Subject: Re: WHDH snubs Leno Scott Fybush wrote: > It's interesting that NOBODY has floated the idea of WZMY signing on with NBC. I guess they're that insignificant a presence these days...AL Kaprielian notwithstanding. I haven't really watched WZMY since they became WZMY. I wonder if WZMY would approach NBC or NBC would approach 'ZMY. When they first switched to "My TV" there had a pretty decent promotional campaign (newspaper ads and bus ads in Lowell), they also were doing "on the street" interviews in the Southern NH/Merrimack valley area. One day a "My TV" crew in downtown Lowell stopped me to ask my opinion on some current event. I didn't even watch to see if my tape made it to the air. As far as Al goes, I can hear his weather on WCAP, as he has been providing their weather forecasts for the past few months. Mark Watson From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Apr 3 19:50:14 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:50:14 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno In-Reply-To: <49D6605B.3050503@gmail.com> References: <49D6605B.3050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Aaron Read wrote: > I think, given the penetration of cable and satellite TV...most of > which is digital with a channel guide...that this is all mouse > farts, and that NBC and WHDH can squabble all they want; if people > want Leno, they'll just look for him on the channel guide. We're getting there. But a lot of viewers are still people who are too comfortable (or lazy) to change the channel from the show that was on before. Most people know a dozen or two channels on their cable's 150 channel lineup. What percentage of Leno's audience are big enough fans of the show to hunt it down on a channel they may never have heard of before? I think a lot of the current Tonight Show viewers would not follow it to the wilds of obscure digital cable. Even 38 and 56 are channels many people don't watch with any regularity. From mward@iname.com Fri Apr 3 19:44:10 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:44:10 -0400 Subject: WHDH blows off Leno - Why not both News and Leno using sub-channels In-Reply-To: <49D69872.1080802@fybush.com> References: <445423.72642.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49D69872.1080802@fybush.com> Message-ID: <49D69F4A.4090505@iname.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > While a few stations, mostly in smaller markets, are cramming two HD > streams into one DTV channel, there are serious picture-quality > compromises involved, because so much compression is needed. Just 40 miles to my east, New Vision CBS affiliate WKBN-DT Youngstown OH is still running (at last check) two HD streams at 720p: The CBS HD of WKBN, and the Fox HD feed of sister "WYFX". WYFX ("Fox Youngstown") started out housed on two analog LPTVers, and then landed as an SD subchannel. They've been putting it up in HD for about a month or two, downconverting WKBN's CBS HD feed to 720p from 1080i. I didn't see it on a big screen, so I can't attest to the quality... but I did notice some encoder hiccups on both channels about every minute or two. From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 3 22:08:22 2009 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:08:22 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno Message-ID: <021201c9b4ca$44ea5090$cebef1b0$@net> Sounds like a publicity stunt to me, even if the intent is to put Leno on 56. From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Apr 3 21:43:14 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. Message-ID: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know it doesn't directly relate to radio, but it does relate to media in the market: The New York Times Co. says if unions don't cooperate with concessions, The Boston Globe will shut down. http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/times_co_threat.html This may not happen, since the unions seem willing to save jobs at this point. If it did, how do you think advertising in the radio/TV market would be affected? Would local newscasts gather from an influx of ad dollars? IMHO, no. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 22:49:50 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:49:50 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> If the Globe is losing close to 90 million a year they going to need more than help from the unions. Times endgame may be to close Boston and then tell Times workers "see we are not bluffing" On 4/3/09, Sean Smyth wrote: > > I know it doesn't directly relate to radio, but it does relate to media in > the market: The New York Times Co. says if unions don't cooperate with > concessions, The Boston Globe will shut down. > > http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/times_co_threat.html > > This may not happen, since the unions seem willing to save jobs at this > point. > > If it did, how do you think advertising in the radio/TV market would be > affected? Would local newscasts gather from an influx of ad dollars? IMHO, > no. > > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 06:29:24 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 03:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <541559.90599.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't see dollars flowing from print to broadcast that much. In this economy advertisers will probably pocket the money and keep to the budgets they already have. Also, they know that broacast is hurting and use that to get lower rates for radio and TV. ________________________________ From: Sean Smyth To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:43:14 PM Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. I know it doesn't directly relate to radio, but it does relate to media in the market: The New York Times Co. says if unions don't cooperate with concessions, The Boston Globe will shut down. http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/times_co_threat.html This may not happen, since the unions seem willing to save jobs at this point. If it did, how do you think advertising in the radio/TV market would be affected? Would local newscasts gather from an influx of ad dollars? IMHO, no. From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Apr 4 09:23:26 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:23:26 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> I think that the ultimate endgame will be the print editions of both papers eventually being phased out and going to an online only model. The Times would rather do this gradually than abruptly, like the Post-Intellegencer did in Seattle. By cutting more jobs and restructuring some contracts, they can run a leaner print edition, with the paper getting thinner and thinner over time, and cheaper to produce. At the same time they'll aggressively promote the online version, and try to convert as many readers as they can to the web, then quietly discontinue print. This would be preferable to having to pull the plug right away, and dealing with the major PR hit that would come along with that decision. It also buys some time in hopes that the Herald makes this move first.... Right now the two big categories at print, automotive and retail, are really hurting which is not helping matters. If print was to go away, I would think most of that money would go to television, not radio. -Dave Tomm On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > If the Globe is losing close to 90 million a year they going to need > more than help from the unions. > > Times endgame may be to close Boston and then tell Times workers "see > we are not bluffing" > > > > On 4/3/09, Sean Smyth wrote: >> >> I know it doesn't directly relate to radio, but it does relate to >> media in >> the market: The New York Times Co. says if unions don't cooperate >> with >> concessions, The Boston Globe will shut down. >> >> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/times_co_threat.html >> >> This may not happen, since the unions seem willing to save jobs at >> this >> point. >> >> If it did, how do you think advertising in the radio/TV market >> would be >> affected? Would local newscasts gather from an influx of ad >> dollars? IMHO, >> no. >> >> >> >> From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Apr 4 10:26:37 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:26:37 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> Message-ID: <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> I think you're probably right, Dave, but there's one caveat that needs to be considered. The majority of newspaper readers are of boomer age or older --- and I know many "elders", including some my age (57), who don't own a computer and don't want one. Online newspapers will doubtless attract some people who haven't been regular readers of printed papers, but in the process of this conversion the newspaper industry may lose a lot of readers as well --- possibly its core group. I wonder. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. >I think that the ultimate endgame will be the print editions of both >papers eventually being phased out and going to an online only model. >The Times would rather do this gradually than abruptly, like the >Post-Intellegencer did in Seattle. By cutting more jobs and restructuring >some contracts, they can run a leaner print edition, with the paper >getting thinner and thinner over time, and cheaper to produce. At the >same time they'll aggressively promote the online version, and try to >convert as many readers as they can to the web, then quietly discontinue >print. This would be preferable to having to pull the plug right away, >and dealing with the major PR hit that would come along with that >decision. It also buys some time in hopes that the Herald makes this move >first.... > > Right now the two big categories at print, automotive and retail, are > really hurting which is not helping matters. If print was to go away, I > would think most of that money would go to television, not radio. > > -Dave Tomm > > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> If the Globe is losing close to 90 million a year they going to need >> more than help from the unions. >> >> Times endgame may be to close Boston and then tell Times workers "see >> we are not bluffing" >> >> >> >> On 4/3/09, Sean Smyth wrote: >>> >>> I know it doesn't directly relate to radio, but it does relate to media >>> in >>> the market: The New York Times Co. says if unions don't cooperate with >>> concessions, The Boston Globe will shut down. >>> >>> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/times_co_threat.html >>> >>> This may not happen, since the unions seem willing to save jobs at this >>> point. >>> >>> If it did, how do you think advertising in the radio/TV market would be >>> affected? Would local newscasts gather from an influx of ad dollars? >>> IMHO, >>> no. >>> >>> >>> >>> > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Apr 4 11:28:47 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:28:47 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49D77CAF.8060307@ttlc.net> Doug Drown wrote: > I think you're probably right, Dave, but there's one caveat that needs > to be considered. The majority of newspaper readers are of boomer age > or older --- and I know many "elders", including some my age (57), who > don't own a computer and don't want one. Online newspapers will > doubtless attract some people who haven't been regular readers of > printed papers, but in the process of this conversion the newspaper > industry may lose a lot of readers as well --- possibly its core > group. I wonder. Perhaps a product similar to Kindle (but lower price point) could be a portable newspaper reader. Easier to understand & use than a computer. Though age tends to eclipse the desire to learn something new. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 11:11:07 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:07 -0400 Subject: WHDH snubs Leno References: <49D6605B.3050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41C3C052F1B846BFAAFC06ED1149D06B@MainXPPro> There have been people commenting on the rights of the affiliate and the requirements put on it by the network. There was a quote in Variety that said: "Ansin also claimed that WHDH held a clause in it's affiliation contract that would allow the station to dump the 10PM Leno show" From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Apr 4 11:02:47 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:02:47 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> Message-ID: <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > The majority of newspaper readers are of boomer age or older --- and > I know many "elders", including some my age (57), who don't own a > computer and don't want one. Online newspapers will doubtless > attract some people who haven't been regular readers of printed > papers, but in the process of this conversion the newspaper industry > may lose a lot of readers as well --- possibly its core group. I'm around the same age as you, work in the computer industry and the family has three computers at home. I enjoy using computers. I read some news online, but I'll be darned if I want to sit in front of the computer screen to read the day's news. There is nothing like sitting down and relaxing and reading the paper. This is an experience that can't be duplicated online. Do young people just not care about the news or do they spend a good deal of time reading online? I must be very old, because I can't imagine why someone would want to watch a TV show on a computer either. Paul From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Apr 4 11:18:25 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:18:25 -0500 Subject: NYTimes.com: NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno In-Reply-To: <49d7789b.090bca0a.4358.0c83SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <49d7789b.090bca0a.4358.0c83SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904040818y3ec4cb99k7b1f9b0a53b3da9b@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: kvahey@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:09:40 -0400 Subject: NYTimes.com: NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno To: kvahey@comcast.net This page was sent to you by: kvahey@yahoo.com. ARTS | April 04, 2009 NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno By BILL CARTER NBC had a message for its affiliated station in Boston on Friday: take Jay or go away. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/arts/television/04nbc.html?emc=eta1 ---------------------------------------------------------- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Apr 4 11:32:08 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:32:08 -0500 Subject: NYTimes.com: NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904040818y3ec4cb99k7b1f9b0a53b3da9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d7789b.090bca0a.4358.0c83SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <4fc429770904040818y3ec4cb99k7b1f9b0a53b3da9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904040832m34712ebaxa0bcf22743a806b8@mail.gmail.com> just to add I didn't mean to send just the link. Carter points out that WHDH is one of the few remaining affilates that NBC actually pays to carry the network. Ansin is not stupid and of course he knows the bloodbath of KRON so he must have something going on we do not know about. With the Globe now on its deathbed it makes me think even more that Rupert is lurking. This is way more than about Leno but it is unclear what Ansin wants. On 4/4/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: kvahey@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:09:40 -0400 > Subject: NYTimes.com: NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno > To: kvahey@comcast.net > > This page was sent to you by: kvahey@yahoo.com. > > ARTS | April 04, 2009 > NBC and Boston Station Spar Over Leno > By BILL CARTER > NBC had a message for its affiliated station in Boston on Friday: take > Jay or go away. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/arts/television/04nbc.html?emc=eta1 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ABOUT THIS E-MAIL > This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail > This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, > write to help@nytimes.com. > > NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 > > Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Apr 4 12:01:53 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:01:53 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> Message-ID: <18903.33905.734057.144411@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Do young people just not care about the news or do they spend a good > deal of time reading online? Yes. > I must be very old, because I can't imagine why someone would want to > watch a TV show on a computer either. Have you ever watched a movie on DVD? Then you've been watching a TV show on a computer (albeit a rather specialized one). Pretty much every medium-to-large-screen TV these days comes with a DVI and/or HDMI input for a computer. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Apr 4 12:05:50 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:05:50 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> Message-ID: <20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 09:23 AM 4/4/2009, Dave Tomm wrote: >I think that the ultimate endgame will be the print editions of both >papers eventually being phased out and going to an online only >model. The Times would rather do this gradually than abruptly, like >the Post-Intellegencer did in Seattle. By cutting more jobs and >restructuring some contracts, they can run a leaner print edition, >with the paper getting thinner and thinner over time, and cheaper to >produce. Two quick points-- well actually three. 1. I am tired of the story being reported as if the unions are the bad guys. While I agree that there are probably some bloated contracts, management (including the Times itself) made some poor business decisions and was slow to recognize the threat of online affecting their operation, plus their own executives made the big bucks for years. I don't mind managers making big bucks, but I do mind the constant effort on the part of my media colleagues to portray every story in the simplistic "good guy/bad guy" frame. Find somebody to blame, say it's their fault, wash, rinse, repeat. 2. I am a neo-Luddite. I accomodate new technology because it's in my best interest to do so, but left to my own devices, I'd rather talk to somebody on the phone or in person rather than send an Instant Message or a Tweet. I am happy that so many newspapers have online editions, but I come from that demographic that was accustomed to books, magazines, and publications you can hold in your hand, touch, carry with you, etc. It still is hard for me to read a newspaper or a magazine online-- there have been studies about how digital media use a different part of the brain to process the information... things just look different to me when I read them online. Plus, the pictures look much better in the print edition (especially in magazines), and many online databases don't even include the graphics. Just my opinion, and I know the younger demos are accustomed to reading online, so maybe it doesn't bother them that much. 3. If the Boston Globe folds, what will local radio and TV stations do for their morning news? More often than not, the early casts consist of stories pulled directly (ripped from the pages!!!) out of the newspapers... From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Apr 4 12:28:55 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:28:55 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe Message-ID: <7EA33F3EA3454A18BF670AAFC7F896ED@DougDrown> > Do young people just not care about the news or do they spend a good > deal of time reading online? >Yes. Indeed. Yes on both counts. I have a sneaking suspicion, having been a parent, a teacher, and a clergyperson who for years dealt with kids, that most young people aren't dependent on any particular news source --- what they know is what they hear (A) from the thrice-daily five-minute (if that!) newscasts on their favorite rock station or (B) from their friends. I hate to be cynical, but I honestly think that a lot of them don't care what is going on in the world unless it directly affects them or it's something in pop culture in which they're interested. They do read online. But they don't read online newspapers, or the Huffington Post, or even the Drudge Report, for that matter. -Doug From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Sat Apr 4 13:27:57 2009 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:27:57 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <7EA33F3EA3454A18BF670AAFC7F896ED@DougDrown> References: <7EA33F3EA3454A18BF670AAFC7F896ED@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49D7989D.6040704@nycap.rr.com> Doug Drown wrote: > Indeed. Yes on both counts. I have a sneaking suspicion, having been a parent, a teacher, and a clergyperson who for years dealt with kids, that most young people aren't dependent on any particular news source --- what they know is what they hear (A) from the thrice-daily five-minute (if that!) newscasts on their favorite rock station or (B) from their friends. I hate to be cynical, but I honestly think that a lot of them don't care what is going on in the world unless it directly affects them or it's something in pop culture in which they're interested. > > They do read online. But they don't read online newspapers, or the Huffington Post, or even the Drudge Report, for that matter. -Doug > (Unlurking.) I think that the number of young adults (18-25, say) who gather news information in any depth is less than it was 20 years ago. I don't think it's non-existent by any means. I think that the problem of a somewhat shrinking audience combines with (a) the huge number of sources for news compared to 20 years ago; and (b) the fact that that the same age group, and many of us who are older, have now become accustomed to free news on demand, which no one has been able to get to work as a business model, even as the quality thereof lessens owing to layoffs in the sources providing much of that news. I think this would be less of a problem had government chosen a different means of dealing with media concentration. I never saw the huge harm in the same company owning a newspaper, a tv station and a radio station in the same town, creating synergies economically, as long as there was a severe restriction on the number of outlets that could be owned in each area (e.g. 1 TV, 1 AM, 1 FM) if you chose to cross-own between print and broadcast. Instead, we got restrictions blocking such synergies but allowing one or two companies to utterly dominate the airwaves in many if not most markets. What I fear is that we will lose most competent news-gathering outlets that remain and have far fewer voices with professional standards, leaving the unreliable and the interest-driven, because of the inability to make money off the new media, which, should it introduce charges for its content, would have to compete with less reliable but free voices. Should we allow newspapers to be fully integrated and co-owned with TV news operations, and then accept that print editions will likely slowly melt away, changing markedly in character in the interim, absent an unexpected new model, we might have a chance of saving the traditions that remain from the print media that are, in large part, worth saving. We would also have -- as we have lost now in even some larger markets -- at least some radio stations that would be in a position to go on-air with crucial, breaking news, using the resources from the other co-owned news services. -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 From billohno@gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:24:36 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:24:36 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <7EA33F3EA3454A18BF670AAFC7F896ED@DougDrown> References: <7EA33F3EA3454A18BF670AAFC7F896ED@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49D7A5E4.1040107@gmail.com> Doug Drown wrote: > I hate to be cynical, but I honestly think that a lot of them don't care what is going on in the world unless it directly affects them or it's something in pop culture in which they're interested. Nothing cynical there to me. Instant and super-personalized gratification trumps instant information on matters that lie anywhere beyond line of sight. And this crosses both intellectual and economic lines. You can find good illustrations in those man on the street pop-quiz encounters that were rampant in the weeks leading up to the general election. More people knew about candidate Palin's family matters then they did about candidate Obama's contribution while in the U.S. Senate. (Okay, weak example....) By the way, any struggling newspapers reporting on this? Bill O'Neill From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 17:37:13 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:37:13 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com><51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <9EC72A572C44434C907A650D2BE319D3@MainXPPro> > 1. I am tired of the story being reported as if the unions are the bad > guys. ..I do mind the constant effort on the part of my media colleagues > to portray every story in the simplistic "good guy/bad guy" frame. Find > somebody to blame, say it's their fault, wash, rinse, repeat. Can you give an example where one of your media colleagues has done this? > 2. It still is hard for me to read a newspaper or a magazine online-- > there have been studies about how digital media use a different part of > the brain to process the information... things just look different to me > when I read them online. I feel the same way. I look at things online when it is convenient, cheaper, and more eddicient to do so....but when it comes to reading anything of substace or length, I usually hit 'print' and bring it to my favorite reading chair. I still like to hold the newspaper in my hands, fold around pages, vut things out, put them on the refridgerator...and take the paper to the bathroom with me. From markwats@comcast.net Sat Apr 4 19:34:49 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:34:49 -0400 Subject: WHDH Snubs Leno Message-ID: <576CF0D6D25041B1A09F64F92A52D140@Mark> The Lawrence Eagle Tribune reports in it's article about Channel 7's decision to not air the Jay Leno prime time show that WCAP contacted NBC offering to carry the audio of Leno's show. Quoted in the article is WCAP's Dean Johnson, former Herald TV & radio reporter. Link to the E-T article: http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_094020509.html The WCAP offer to NBC reminded me of another example where radio aired audio of a TV talk show: didn't WMRE 1510 carry the audio of the short lived Joan Rivers talk show that Fox aired circa 1987 because it wasn't cleared in Boston? IIRC it was because Pat Robertson still owned Channel 25 (then WXNE) and had just sold it to Fox, but Pat refused to air the show while he was still in charge, I can't recall why he wouldn't. I'm sure someone can calrify or correct the details. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Apr 4 22:37:43 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:37:43 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> Donna some 20 years ago I was terrified of computers because I recall looking at a :c prompt and wondering now what do I do...but I also knew to survive I had to learn I got in the habit of buying the 3 morning papers late at night on the way home from an old man named Pete in Harvard Sq and they cost a dime each. In 72 it became 2 morning papers and when the afternoon Globe folded I started to buy the NY Post just for something to read. Big advantage for print advertising over radio-tv or internet is you might decided to relook at an ad a few minutes after glancing at it. I can not fathom life without newspapers From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 5 01:38:19 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:38:19 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown>, <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> Message-ID: <49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Apr 2009 at 11:02, Paul Anderson wrote: > There is nothing like sitting down and relaxing and reading the > paper. Or reading the paper on the T while commuting to and from work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Apr 5 10:37:33 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:37:33 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com><51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net><20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> Oh, come off it, Kevin! I'm older than you, I'm sure, and I have personally owned personal computers for more than 25 years (the first one was an Apple ][+, which I still have, though I haven't powered it up in at least 15 years). I owe my ability to do the job (writing, editing) that I have been doing first full-time and for the last six years as a semi-retired part-timer to my familiarity with personal computers. I still can't type, and the only reason you can read this is that using a computer enables me to correct the dozens of mistakes I make in every paragraph. My point in telling you all this is to demonstrate that I am conversant with personal computers, and despite my age, I am not computer phobic. I do sometimes read news items on-line--mostly at NYTimes.com and occasionally at Boston.com. But get the f!@#$ off your high horse and quit preaching (I'm referring here to your rather arrogant message to Donna); you are making an @!# of yourself! Asking people like me and most people 10 or 15 years younger, who still officially qualify as boomers, to give up newspapers and other print media and get the content on-line is just plain foolishness. Even though I am comfortable with mice, keyboards, and high-resolution color displays, I find reading from a screen (even a laptop screen) just not the same as reading from a newspaper, magazine, or book. I haven't tried a Kindle, so I can't speak about that experience; it might be OK. I gather that the Kindle is OK for reading in bed and is probably OK for reading while clinging to a handrail on the T. And don't tell me that the Herald is a substitute for the Globe. The Times might do--except that it lacks much coverage of Boston--but the Herald would not. However, if the Times is not to disappear from newsstands around Boston, the Times Company had better start now to set up distribution with the Herald. My newsdealer informed me this morning that the Globe delivers not just the Globe and the Times to all of the newsstands in these parts but also the Wall St Journal and Barron's. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Donna Halper" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > Donna some 20 years ago I was terrified of computers because I > recall > looking at a :c prompt and wondering now what do I do...but I also > knew to survive I had to learn > > I got in the habit of buying the 3 morning papers late at night on > the > way home from an old man named Pete in Harvard Sq and they cost a > dime > each. In 72 it became 2 morning papers and when the afternoon Globe > folded I started to buy the NY Post just for something to read. > Big advantage for print advertising over radio-tv or internet is you > might decided to relook at an ad a few minutes after glancing at it. > I can not fathom life without newspapers From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 10:58:56 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com> <51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net> <20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770904050758v7a4f97dch2140ba230072eec2@mail.gmail.com> Dan???? I don't see how you can say my reply to Donna was out of line as I was simply agreeing with her. I didn't start with home computing Amiga. I was 38 and couldn't type (and still can't) but I knew I had to get on bandwagon to survive. The whole gist of my post was that even though my home page is boston.com I still buy the papers and can not imagine life without them. On 4/5/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Oh, come off it, Kevin! > > I'm older than you, I'm sure, and I have personally owned personal > computers for more than 25 years (the first one was an Apple ][+, > which I still have, though I haven't powered it up in at least 15 > years). I owe my ability to do the job (writing, editing) that I have > been doing first full-time and for the last six years as a > semi-retired part-timer to my familiarity with personal computers. I > still can't type, and the only reason you can read this is that using > a computer enables me to correct the dozens of mistakes I make in > every paragraph. My point in telling you all this is to demonstrate > that I am conversant with personal computers, and despite my age, I am > not computer phobic. > > I do sometimes read news items on-line--mostly at NYTimes.com and > occasionally at Boston.com. But get the f!@#$ off your high horse and > quit preaching (I'm referring here to your rather arrogant message to > Donna); you are making an @!# of yourself! Asking people like me and > most people 10 or 15 years younger, who still officially qualify as > boomers, to give up newspapers and other print media and get the > content on-line is just plain foolishness. Even though I am > comfortable with mice, keyboards, and high-resolution color displays, > I find reading from a screen (even a laptop screen) just not the same > as reading from a newspaper, magazine, or book. I haven't tried a > Kindle, so I can't speak about that experience; it might be OK. I > gather that the Kindle is OK for reading in bed and is probably OK for > reading while clinging to a handrail on the T. > > And don't tell me that the Herald is a substitute for the Globe. The > Times might do--except that it lacks much coverage of Boston--but the > Herald would not. However, if the Times is not to disappear from > newsstands around Boston, the Times Company had better start now to > set up distribution with the Herald. My newsdealer informed me this > morning that the Globe delivers not just the Globe and the Times to > all of the newsstands in these parts but also the Wall St Journal and > Barron's. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Donna Halper" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > > >> Donna some 20 years ago I was terrified of computers because I >> recall >> looking at a :c prompt and wondering now what do I do...but I also >> knew to survive I had to learn >> >> I got in the habit of buying the 3 morning papers late at night on >> the >> way home from an old man named Pete in Harvard Sq and they cost a >> dime >> each. In 72 it became 2 morning papers and when the afternoon Globe >> folded I started to buy the NY Post just for something to read. >> Big advantage for print advertising over radio-tv or internet is you >> might decided to relook at an ad a few minutes after glancing at it. >> I can not fathom life without newspapers > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Sun Apr 5 12:08:38 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Sun, 4/5/09, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Even though I am > comfortable with mice, keyboards, and high-resolution color > displays, > I find reading from a screen (even a laptop screen) just > not the same > as reading from a newspaper, magazine, or book. Dan, I am generally the same way you are (and I'm 30). Usually, I prefer to read a hard copy of something, especially if it's a long-form piece in Esquire (when I make the time to read it) or something similar. I've been known to print out online articles to read them at my convenience. I did buy a BlackBerry on a whim about a month or so ago, and I noticed it's changing my habits slightly. For the first time, I find myself able to read long-form stuff from ESPN The Magazine (when linked through ESPN.com) on a media device (in this case, the BlackBerry) just fine; I find this usually happens when I'm on the Metro/T/other public transit. I do wonder if through BlackBerry/iPhone applications that we may finally see a way for so-called traditional media to cash in on a new-age product. Charge you $10 per month, automatically debited from your credit card (or even built into your monthly phone plan), for a Globe app that would include subscriber access to audio-visuals, which also would allow you access all content online? Maybe $3 per month for access to an exclusive smartphone stream of 1030 or WTOP? I'd pay it. Of course, I'm also in the media-information industry, so take that for what it's worth. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 13:31:20 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:31:20 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> <911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.com> I listen to WEEI on my Blackberry for free via flycast.fm in Chicago. Newspapers simply have not recovered from Craigs List which just destroyed small classifieds. Monster has taken the bulk of major employment ads and that is where papers made their profit. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 14:02:26 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:02:26 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.co m> References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> <911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090405180226.BF1302292E5@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:31 PM 4/5/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Newspapers simply have not recovered from Craigs List which just >destroyed small classifieds. Monster has taken the bulk of major >employment ads and that is where papers made their profit. There's also consolidation-- Boston newspapers used to have huge circulars from Jordan Marsh (gone), Filene's (gone), Filene's Basement (in big trouble financially), Zayre's (gone), Lechmere (gone)... you get the idea...And with car companies in trouble, the newspapers are really struggling to find those big advertisers who used to keep them going in the past. From theseacoast@maine.rr.com Sun Apr 5 14:42:55 2009 From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:42:55 -0400 Subject: 96.7 FM - The WAVE Message-ID: Yesterday I noticed the HD-2 Channel was back on playing "Gold Hits", while the primary channel is now News/Talk, id'ing themselves with their AM 930. Also noted the AM and FM News/Talk stations are not exactly simulcasting. SS From billohno@gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:57:00 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown>, <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> <49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Or reading the paper on the T while commuting to and from work. I was reading the three-star Herald on the commuter rail from Lowell to Boston and it it looked like I was done with it. An older gent came up to me and said, "You done with the Record?" Here in Addison County, we have two papers, one is a weekly (Eagle), the other is Mon & Thurs (Addison Independent and the Monday is threatened I hear). It took the longest time for me to get used to no daily papers to read. I consider the Rutland Herald and Burlington Free Press redundantly left in a same-thinking climate. No risk, no challenge to prevailing thought, etc.) There is no Internet substitute for the paper. They each surve a purpose. Inevitable that we will not have an option. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Apr 5 15:00:15 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:00:15 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com><51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net><20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49D8FFBF.8060308@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Oh, come off it, Kevin! > > (I'm referring here to your rather arrogant message to > Donna); Do we need ad hominems here guys? Not that I"m pure as the driven snow. Just sayin'. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Sun Apr 5 15:09:04 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:09:04 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405180226.BF1302292E5@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044><911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.com> <20090405180226.BF1302292E5@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <686D7CB4E6CC44A5B8D37266D8DE1353@PaulPC> And Raymond's, King's, Gem............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > At 01:31 PM 4/5/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Newspapers simply have not recovered from Craigs List which just >>destroyed small classifieds. Monster has taken the bulk of major >>employment ads and that is where papers made their profit. > > There's also consolidation-- Boston newspapers used to have huge circulars > from Jordan Marsh (gone), Filene's (gone), Filene's Basement (in big > trouble financially), Zayre's (gone), Lechmere (gone)... you get the > idea...And with car companies in trouble, the newspapers are really > struggling to find those big advertisers who used to keep them going in > the past. > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Apr 5 15:11:53 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:11:53 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown>, <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net><49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com> <49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B8CDD001DDE49B69038C59A77B9B2A8@DanBillingsPC> I have both the Portland Press Herald and the Times Record delivered. The Press Herald gets thinner and thinner with less and less content. There is no real reason for me to pay for it, other than habit and hope that it is sold and the new owners make it worth reading. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Apr 5 15:15:56 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:15:56 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com><51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net><20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> <49D8FFBF.8060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9722CE6D88F84A3B8A12CB233BFE478C@SatU205S5044> According to the American Heritage Dictionary, Fourth Edition, an ad hominem attack is an attack on a person's character (to avoid discussing the issues)--not an attack on something the person said or did. I may have descended to an ad hominem attack in the message in question, and if I did, you are entitled to criticize me for doing so, but what you cited is NOT an example! Calling a message "rather arrogant" does NOT constitute an attack on anybody's character. It is a criticism of an action, not a criticism of the character of the person who performed the action. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> Oh, come off it, Kevin! >> >> (I'm referring here to your rather arrogant message to >> Donna); > Do we need ad hominems here guys? Not that I"m pure as the driven > snow. Just sayin'. > > Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Apr 5 15:24:20 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:24:20 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <9722CE6D88F84A3B8A12CB233BFE478C@SatU205S5044> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904031949w2af07849r43fec5d16ab899c0@mail.gmail.com><51AD4DA6-2A21-4EC4-95E6-AFC8B2B008A1@charter.net><20090404160547.94EC172FBB0@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770904041937x2910e195u48aa49839cf62041@mail.gmail.com> <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> <49D8FFBF.8060308@gmail.com> <9722CE6D88F84A3B8A12CB233BFE478C@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49D90564.2080908@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > According to the American Heritage Dictionary, Fourth Edition, an ad > hominem attack is an attack on a person's character (to avoid > discussing the issues)--n Dan, if that is a push-back on my simple attempt at accountability, well done. Bill From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 15:26:39 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:26:39 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <5B8CDD001DDE49B69038C59A77B9B2A8@DanBillingsPC> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown> <6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net> <49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com> <49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com> <5B8CDD001DDE49B69038C59A77B9B2A8@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <20090405192649.E9DDE44C00B@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:11 PM 4/5/2009, Dan Billings wrote: >I have both the Portland Press Herald and the Times Record delivered. The Boston Herald used to give us Bostonians a 1 star (the paper that is printed at about 1 AM, so it gets the late sports). Now, since they moved their plant out to western Mass to save money, we get a newspaper that prints at 9 pm, and has NO late anything. So we cancelled our subscription for home delivery. The Globe still gives us the 1 star, but who knows for how much longer? And yes it matters home delivery customers are still the ones who are loyal to the print edition, so why run them off? From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 15:29:10 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:29:10 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <686D7CB4E6CC44A5B8D37266D8DE1353@PaulPC> References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044> <911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.com> <20090405180226.BF1302292E5@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <686D7CB4E6CC44A5B8D37266D8DE1353@PaulPC> Message-ID: <20090405192910.8615C44C003@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 03:09 PM 4/5/2009, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >And Raymond's, King's, Gem............. The march of the defunct department stores would also include Gilchrist's, R.H. White, and I'm sure in Providence, the last of the Shepard Stores (yeah, it was in the early 70s, but it started a trend!). And what about the record stores-- I recall newspapers running HUGE ads for New England Music City, Strawberries, Tower Records, etc. From neggytive@yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 05:49:08 2009 From: neggytive@yahoo.com (Neggy) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chan 62 Message-ID: <374860.63990.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MRBI does indeed own Channel 62, it is run as a separate operation from the Boston radio operation WLYN and WAZN, which is nuts because everyone at the radio division has an extensive background in TV. Both of the remaining radio employees are former master control operators in this market John "Neg" Ative On the beach... From tcoco@whav.net Fri Apr 3 11:47:07 2009 From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:47:07 -0400 Subject: GUIDING LIGHT In-Reply-To: <49D565FC.2159.841A14@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49D565FC.2159.841A14@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5D34EC4F6ECD490EA39C55C220422131@CEO> Let's see, Guiding Light predating the Norman Conquest? It only seems like it has been on that long. :) Actually, I couldn't resist downloading some old radio episodes from 1950. They seem to date rather well not counting the Duz commercials. Tim Coco President & General Manager WHAV www.whav.net "WHAVR" and "WHAV.NET" are registered service marks. -----Original Message----- From: A. Joseph Ross [mailto:joe@attorneyross.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:27 AM To: thomas heathwood Cc: boston Radio Interest Board Subject: Re: GUIDING LIGHT On 2 Apr 2009 at 1:56, thomas heathwood wrote: > GUIDING LIGHT - known originally as THE GUIDING LIGHT went on the air > on radio January 25, 1037 on NBC and was last heard on CBS radio on > June 29, 1956. Tom Heathwood 1037? Wow, it HAS been on a long time! (Sorry, but that was too good to resist!) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dslrpierce@myfairpoint.net Sun Apr 5 14:37:30 2009 From: dslrpierce@myfairpoint.net (Dan Pierce) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:37:30 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044><911726.64643.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4fc429770904051031s4a0cc9c7v7418f4a136131570@mail.gmail.com> <20090405180226.BF1302292E5@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: BINGO!!!! The core issue to consider here is the undeniable fact that the business model for newspapers no longer works in the new media environment. Newspapers as we know them today really began in the early 19th Century with the advent of the so-called "Penny Press", whereby newspapers were sold to the average Joe for a penny (which is all that he could afford), but the newspaper owner made money by selling advertising, thus allowing merchants to get their products in front of many more eyeballs than was previously possible. That model worked for more than 150 years but, alas, works no longer. Kevin is quite right about the loss of revenue from classifieds (why anyone would wish to spend the money required to run a classified rather than go online is a mystery to me...I am astonished the newspapers still sell any at all) and employment ads, and Donna is quite right about the significant decline in the revenue that was once gained from the retailers and auto dealers (now in even greater decline due to the recession). Newspaper owners simply cannot make enough money to cover their costs, especially if they own large, metropolitan newspapers with the resultant high overhead due to large, unionized staffs (this is not a knock against the unions, simply pointing out that it is easier to pare labor costs when dealing with non-union employees, as I have seen personally more than once in my radio career). Some savings are being made through the consolidation of the costs associated with the production of the physical product (paper, ink, printing, etc.), but you cannot avoid the costs associated with your staff, which is why companies like The New York Times Co. are trying to extract concessions from their union (and non-union) employees. They will probably succeed in the short run, but those concessions will not be enough, IMHO, to avoid the long-term consequences of an obsolete business model. As a man who reads several newspapers every day online, and who has made a career reading newspapers and relying on their content to do talk shows on the radio, I wonder whether or not that content will be delivered in another form, or will disappear altogether, and what the consequences will be for the health of our civic society. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > At 01:31 PM 4/5/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >>Newspapers simply have not recovered from Craigs List which just >>destroyed small classifieds. Monster has taken the bulk of major >>employment ads and that is where papers made their profit. > > There's also consolidation-- Boston newspapers used to have huge circulars > from Jordan Marsh (gone), Filene's (gone), Filene's Basement (in big > trouble financially), Zayre's (gone), Lechmere (gone)... you get the > idea...And with car companies in trouble, the newspapers are really > struggling to find those big advertisers who used to keep them going in > the past. > From lglavin@mail.com Sun Apr 5 16:16:38 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:16:38 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. Message-ID: <20090405201638.784EC478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Paul Hopfgarten" , "Kevin Vahey" , ssmyth@psualum.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org, "Dan.Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. >Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:29:10 -0400 >At 03:09 PM 4/5/2009, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > And Raymond's, King's, Gem............. >The march of the defunct department stores would also include >Gilchrist's, R.H. White, and I'm sure in Providence, the last of >the Shepard Stores (yeah, it was in the early 70s, but it started a >trend!). And what about the record stores-- I recall newspapers >running HUGE ads for New England Music City, Strawberries, Tower >Records, etc. I can still shop from a reasonable choice of classical CDs at the Newbury Comics on, of course, Newbury Street. On those occasions when I'm in far western Mass, I find time to visit the Berkshire Record Outlet in Lee. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 17:09:45 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:09:45 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. Message-ID: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> And let us not forget W.T. Grant's, Decelle's, Conrad Chandler's, and Montgomery Ward's-- all of which were big print advertisers till they went belly-up... From paul@derrynh.net Sun Apr 5 17:55:55 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:55:55 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: And Tello's, which seemed to be the OFFICIAL advertizer on KISS-108 in the Disco/Big Hair days! -Paul H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Paul Hopfgarten" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > And let us not forget W.T. Grant's, Decelle's, Conrad Chandler's, and > Montgomery Ward's-- all of which were big print advertisers till they went > belly-up... > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 18:02:30 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:02:30 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 05:55 PM 4/5/2009, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >And Tello's, which seemed to be the OFFICIAL advertizer on KISS-108 in the >Disco/Big Hair days! There was some great history of Tello's-- they had a trivia quiz called the "Tello-Test" and a lot of Boston stations, the old WNAC among them, ran it. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:33:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:33:41 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904051533y27a92a99u840f3e58e54832f8@mail.gmail.com> Look we just have so many choices now. IPods deliver the music a person wants to hear, news and sports are available around the clock etc. Those of us who are over 50 have fond memories of Ken Mayer and his 2 hour radio show on WUNR/WBOS. It wasn't because Ken was a great talent but we listened because there was nothing else on (except for Norm on WHDH) on an early Monday morning. Newspapers tried having people pay for content on the web and it failed. Newspapers also made a nice profit mailing the paper to former residents but the net killed that as well. Radio will continue in some form as the cost of reaching the public is fairly stable unlike papers who have to deal with printing and delivery. Books may well be the next thing to vanish if e-readers like the Kindle take hold. From Joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 5 19:57:25 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:57:25 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: References: <456C542478EA43F59CEC2268BC4B158A@SatU205S5044>, Message-ID: <49D8FF15.9209.41AD0C@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Apr 2009 Dan Pierce wrote: > As a man who reads several newspapers every day online, and who has > made a career reading newspapers and relying on their content to do > talk shows on the radio, I wonder whether or not that content will be > delivered in another form, or will disappear altogether, and what the > consequences will be for the health of our civic society. I also wonder where Clark Kent will work in the future. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Sun Apr 5 18:20:24 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:20:24 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:10 PM To: Paul Hopfgarten; Kevin Vahey; ssmyth@psualum.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Dan.Strassberg Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. And let us not forget W.T. Grant's, Decelle's, Conrad Chandler's, and Montgomery Ward's-- all of which were big print advertisers till they went belly-up... Going ever on: Caldors Ames (were Zayres, already mentioned) Fretter Nobody Beats the Wiz (ever so brief) Grossman's (most only know their bargain outlet) Ann & Hopes Home Quarters Somerville Lumber (big advertiser here) P.F. O'Connors (big advertiser in the 1990 recession, and first victim) Woolworth's, lest we forget (newspaper ads) Of course many older people on the North Shore miss: Almy's, Rich's (whose loss is probably a contributor to the decline of North Shore papers) From markwats@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 19:38:21 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:38:21 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> And to add to the list of fallen advertisers, how many remember Mars Department Stores? They may have done some print ads, but they did a lot of radio in areas they had stores. Their radio spots were done by Jack Peterson, who currently does news at WNBH New Bedford. And another department store chain from the Merrimack Valley area, Stuarts. They did both radio & print advertising. Mark Watson From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 21:29:45 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:29:45 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> Message-ID: <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 07:38 PM 4/5/2009, Mark Watson wrote: >And to add to the list of fallen advertisers, how many remember Mars >Department Stores? And then there's Almy's and Caldor's. A very long list of stores that used to advertise in especially the Sunday newspapers... From billohno@gmail.com Sun Apr 5 21:52:59 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:52:59 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > At 07:38 PM 4/5/2009, Mark Watson wrote: >> And to add to the list of fallen advertisers, how many remember Mars >> Department Stores? > > And then there's Almy's and Caldor's. A very long list of stores that > used to advertise in especially the Sunday newspapers... > > Did anyone mention Zayre? b - From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Apr 5 22:10:29 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:10:29 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49D96495.8070806@ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: > At 05:55 PM 4/5/2009, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >> And Tello's, which seemed to be the OFFICIAL advertizer on KISS-108 >> in the >> Disco/Big Hair days! > > There was some great history of Tello's-- they had a trivia quiz > called the "Tello-Test" and a lot of Boston stations, the old WNAC > among them, ran it. IIRC, Sonny Joe White used to voice the spots. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Apr 5 22:17:36 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:17:36 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> Message-ID: <49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> Mark Watson wrote: > And to add to the list of fallen advertisers, how many remember Mars > Department Stores? They may have done some print ads, but they did a > lot of radio in areas they had stores. Their radio spots were done by > Jack Peterson, who currently does news at WNBH New Bedford. And > another department store chain from the Merrimack Valley area, > Stuarts. They did both radio & print advertising. Might as well include "Eddie Campione & his perpetually going out of business" furniture stores, Plywood Ranch, First National Stores, Tweeter Etc., Bradlees, From mike_ed@msn.com Sun Apr 5 22:21:44 2009 From: mike_ed@msn.com (Mike G) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:21:44 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't forget the weekly fliers Bradlees always had !! > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:52:59 -0400 > From: billohno@gmail.com > To: dlh@donnahalper.com > Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > Donna Halper wrote: > > At 07:38 PM 4/5/2009, Mark Watson wrote: > >> And to add to the list of fallen advertisers, how many remember Mars > >> Department Stores? > > > > And then there's Almy's and Caldor's. A very long list of stores that > > used to advertise in especially the Sunday newspapers... > > > > > Did anyone mention Zayre? > > b - From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 22:44:41 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:44:41 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904051944g46b0e436lbcd322b77222e815@mail.gmail.com> In Worcester Spags spent a fortune on media as well. The ad market in Boston is just terrible. Take a look at how thin the Phoenix is now and the Weekly Dig is worse. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Apr 5 22:47:13 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:47:13 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904051944g46b0e436lbcd322b77222e815@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> <4fc429770904051944g46b0e436lbcd322b77222e815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090406024714.BD4AF1D9083@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 10:44 PM 4/5/2009, Kevin Vahey wrote: >In Worcester Spags spent a fortune on media as well. I can't believe I forgot Bradlees! Bradlees and Caldor and Almy and Lechmere did a TON of newspaper advertising, as did the record stores, and so did Grossman's-- the lumber and home improvement store. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 22:50:16 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:50:16 -0500 Subject: in Chicago more cuts Message-ID: <4fc429770904051950pa83b7b6m7885d9f7c24ce346@mail.gmail.com> NBCU has established new work rules in the WMAQ newsroom (NBC5) and the Sun-Times says it will reduce the number of jobs from 80 to 40 Of course you know they are hurting when they are running Shamwow spots in the first break at 10 From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 5 22:57:01 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:57:01 -0500 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090406024714.BD4AF1D9083@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <20090406012946.76C441E2E34@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <49D9607B.2080703@gmail.com> <4fc429770904051944g46b0e436lbcd322b77222e815@mail.gmail.com> <20090406024714.BD4AF1D9083@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904051957i2cb88d1aj374d3e1f3183ae9c@mail.gmail.com> also Wal-Mart has never been a huge print buyer just picking certain times of the year. JWT just closed their Chicago ad office as there are no clients and 20 years ago they had 800 workers there. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Apr 5 23:17:02 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:17:02 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > > Might as well include [...] Tweeter Etc., Bradlees, > Throw in Tech Hi-Fi too. If I remember rightly. Tweeter came and went bust, and came back; was this latest Tweeter chain the third time that name has been around? Some department stores: J.M. Fields; Giant; Rich's; and, yes, I remember Mars, or rather, "Mars Bargainland". -- --RC From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Apr 5 23:34:44 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:34:44 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark><49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <0AF0A254A2A44BDF95D81DF7E88D88EB@DougDrown> . . . And W.T. Grant, A&P, Lechmere. Was it the Record-American that was full of Lechmere ads? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > Roger Kirk wrote: >> >> Might as well include [...] Tweeter Etc., Bradlees, >> > > Throw in Tech Hi-Fi too. If I remember rightly. Tweeter came and went > bust, and came back; was this latest Tweeter chain the third time that > name has been around? > > Some department stores: J.M. Fields; Giant; Rich's; and, yes, I remember > Mars, or rather, "Mars Bargainland". > > -- > --RC > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Apr 5 23:41:22 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:41:22 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. Message-ID: <77CF795E29C94EE6A0DC22996DE9D301@DougDrown> I remember when most newspapers ran small ads on the bottom of the front page. If memory serves, the Globe did this almost up until the time when the type font changed, which I think was in the late '70s - early '80s. It was a custom that went back before the turn of the century. -Doug From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 6 00:29:45 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:29:45 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, , <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <49D94CF9.29396.51379D@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Apr 2009 at 18:02, Donna Halper wrote: > There was some great history of Tello's-- they had a trivia quiz > called the "Tello-Test" and a lot of Boston stations, the old WNAC > among them, ran it. Interesting. When I heard it, I thought it was "Teletest," based on being done by telephone. I was about 5 years old at the time, though. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 6 02:03:17 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:03:17 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark> <49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> My personal favorite was Leiser Sound, a small mom & pop electronics store chain that used to tag all their radio spots with "Leiser Sound, with stores in Norwich and Groton, CT and Shrewsbury, Mass, where SPAGS is next to Leiser! They may have had a Hartford area store at one point as well, but they were mostly an Eastern CT/Central MA advertiser. Those spots ran all the time in the Worcester, Norwich, New London and Willimantic area stations in the 80's and early 90's. On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > Roger Kirk wrote: >> Might as well include [...] Tweeter Etc., Bradlees, > > Throw in Tech Hi-Fi too. If I remember rightly. Tweeter came and > went bust, and came back; was this latest Tweeter chain the third > time that name has been around? > > Some department stores: J.M. Fields; Giant; Rich's; and, yes, I > remember Mars, or rather, "Mars Bargainland". > > -- > --RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Apr 6 14:40:59 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:40:59 -0400 Subject: Earthquake coverage, or lack thereof Message-ID: <49DA4CBB.5040006@gabrielmass.com> Early Monday morning there was an earthquake in Italy -- late Sunday evening here. It was felt in Rome and killed over 90 people in L'Aquila. BBC's website had the story, but as far as I could tell, none of the U.S. TV news organizations bothered to break format and cover it live, even the 24-hour cable news channels. What are CNN/HNN/FNC/MSNBC for, if not disaster coverage? Yet at midnight Monday morning they were all running canned programs instead of live news. And in two cases (FNC and HNN), they were running entertainment programs ("Red Eye" and "Not Just Another News Show"). Did anyone interrupt normal programming to cover this live at all? --RC From paul@derrynh.net Mon Apr 6 17:13:38 2009 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:13:38 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark><49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> <11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> Message-ID: My favorite radio ad has to be "How many cookies did ANdrew eat? ANdrew 8-8000! -Paul H Derry NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Tomm" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > My personal favorite was Leiser Sound, a small mom & pop electronics > store chain that used to tag all their radio spots with "Leiser Sound, > with stores in Norwich and Groton, CT and Shrewsbury, Mass, where SPAGS > is next to Leiser! They may have had a Hartford area store at one point > as well, but they were mostly an Eastern CT/Central MA advertiser. > > Those spots ran all the time in the Worcester, Norwich, New London and > Willimantic area stations in the 80's and early 90's. > > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Richard Chonak wrote: > >> Roger Kirk wrote: >>> Might as well include [...] Tweeter Etc., Bradlees, >> >> Throw in Tech Hi-Fi too. If I remember rightly. Tweeter came and went >> bust, and came back; was this latest Tweeter chain the third time that >> name has been around? >> >> Some department stores: J.M. Fields; Giant; Rich's; and, yes, I remember >> Mars, or rather, "Mars Bargainland". >> >> -- >> --RC > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 21:58:33 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark><49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net> <49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com> <11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> Message-ID: <221805.86883.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Is it possible that the Globe may become a free paper, like the Phoenix or Metro? I ask because it seems that advertisers like circulation numbers no matter how they get them. Raising the cost per edition or going web only will cut numbers down. It's like why NESN and CSN are on basic instead of a sports tier that costs extra - they can claim a million subscribers instead of a fraction of that, even if not everyone watches. From dave@skywaves.net Mon Apr 6 22:02:45 2009 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:02:45 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown><6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net><49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com><49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com><5B8CDD001DDE49B69038C59A77B9B2A8@DanBillingsPC> <20090405192649.E9DDE44C00B@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com> Hi Donna- Why run off the subscribers? Because paper subscribers require printing presses, which require millions of dollars in capital expense, massive rolls of paper, which require millions of dollars in operating expense, and a legion of troops on the street to assemble and deliver the end product - one at a time - to individual subscribers or - twenty at a time - to coffee shops and honor boxes. Paper makes no sense at all when you can distribute your product electronically. Tradintional subscribers require paper. Ergo, traditional subscribers make no economical sense at all, and management should do what it can to maximize electronic delivery and eliminate traditional paper subscribers. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Bill O'Neill" ; "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. > > At 03:11 PM 4/5/2009, Dan Billings wrote: >>I have both the Portland Press Herald and the Times Record delivered. > > The Boston Herald used to give us Bostonians a 1 star (the paper that is > printed at about 1 AM, so it gets the late sports). Now, since they moved > their plant out to western Mass to save money, we get a newspaper that > prints at 9 pm, and has NO late anything. So we cancelled our > subscription for home delivery. The Globe still gives us the 1 star, but > who knows for how much longer? And yes it matters home delivery customers > are still the ones who are loyal to the print edition, so why run them > off? > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 21:31:11 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WENH-DT 11.3 now broadcasting full schedule Message-ID: <420242.56117.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Durham NH PBS subchannel 11.3 (RF 11) was showing a static coming soon slide for a couple of weeks. NHPTV Explore is now on 11.3 with a full schedule of programs. Interesting is their morning block of exercise/stretching programs. 11.1 and 11.2 are still clones, 11.1 in HD, 11.2 in SD. John B From heritageradio@msn.com Tue Apr 7 01:02:17 2009 From: heritageradio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:02:17 -0400 Subject: TELLOTEST QUIZ. In-Reply-To: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, , <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49D94CF9.29396.51379D@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>, , <20090405220230.C354944C177@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <49D94CF9.29396.51379D@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: I recall Tello-Test Quiz being aired on WNAC radio Monday-Friday evenings at 7:15 PM hosted by Fred Lang who called "telephone numbers scientifically selected from the Greater Boston telephone directory." Fred would then ask the party if they were listening to WNAC, and ask moderately difficult question for a "jackpot" that automatically went up with each wrong answer, and sometimes would go on for days. The show was live and 15 mins. each evening. I don't recall any connection Tello-Test Quiz had with Tello's, or any commercial messages for them. Tom Heathwood On 5 Apr 2009 at 18:02, Donna Halper wrote: > There was some great history of Tello's-- they had a trivia quiz > called the "Tello-Test" and a lot of Boston stations, the old WNAC > among them, ran it. >Interesting. When I heard it, I thought it was "Teletest," based on >being done by telephone. I was about 5 years old at the time, >though. >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 7 06:58:21 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:58:21 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark><49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net><49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com><11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> Message-ID: But can you remember the name of the company that ran the ad? I can, but I bet that more people recall the phone number than remember the company name--or the business the company was in. If you can't remember at least what the company did, it doesn't do much good to remember the phone number. In this case, the name of the company told you what they did. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "Dave Tomm" ; "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. My favorite radio ad has to be "How many cookies did ANdrew eat? ANdrew 8-8000! From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Apr 7 07:48:06 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:48:06 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><94F13BFFA2364804A0CEC562C338ADB7@DougDrown><6A6B0B1E-6F1F-4046-BA38-81490C3C59DE@charter.net><49D80B8B.85.7E985B@joe.attorneyross.com><49D8FEFB.80306@gmail.com><5B8CDD001DDE49B69038C59A77B9B2A8@DanBillingsPC> <20090405192649.E9DDE44C00B@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com> Message-ID: <7C2863EE-F7E4-4AE2-9003-5584B6F55C68@charter.net> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > Tradintional subscribers require paper. Ergo, traditional > subscribers make no economical sense at all, and management should > do what it can to maximize electronic delivery and eliminate > traditional paper subscribers. I, and many others, are not interested in replacing a newspaper with reading stories on a computer screen and would no longer be customers of that "newspaper". I'd take my business to TV, although the sensationalism on most stations would limit my viewing there too. On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Is it possible that the Globe may become a free paper, like the > Phoenix or Metro? If subscribers don't pay part of the bill, then advertisers get to call the shots about content, do they not? Paul From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 08:11:59 2009 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:11:59 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: References: <20090405210946.146C71B4013@relay11.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <48725847569047928077C7D55AA13879@Mark><49D96640.8020608@ttlc.net><49D9742E.5090209@gabrielmass.com><11923033-5B90-48DF-8F44-3E8853705515@charter.net> Message-ID: The second part of the jingle told the story: "How do you keep your carpets neat, call Andrew 8-8000". Adams & Swett...still in business...only now with 10-digit dialing, the number is 617-268-8000...a little more difficult to set to music..hehe -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:58 AM To: Paul Hopfgarten; Dave Tomm; Richard Chonak Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. But can you remember the name of the company that ran the ad? I can, but I bet that more people recall the phone number than remember the company name--or the business the company was in. If you can't remember at least what the company did, it doesn't do much good to remember the phone number. In this case, the name of the company told you what they did. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "Dave Tomm" ; "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. My favorite radio ad has to be "How many cookies did ANdrew eat? ANdrew 8-8000! From bill.smith@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 13:05:10 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:05:10 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> I thought I knew where Andrew was eating those cookies, but it turns out it was not Albany Carpet and wasn't Able Rug, the two rug giants form Allston, but rather Adams & Swett. The number still works! As for using the names for exchanges, Kenny Mayer never gave up WO9-8989 (but what else would you expect from the most relaxed show in town), and Benzaquin used DEvonshire 8-6700 on his afternoon show long after numbers replaced the words; the Globe continued to use AV8-1515 for Ask the Globe for years, too. In Philadelphia, the words stuck well into the 70s "Can we hear from you on CAU, TEnnyson 9-6790 from the city, Mohawk 7-0500 from the suburbs and WOodlawn 3-5909 in New Jersey" From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 7 14:08:50 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:08:50 -0500 Subject: 1986 ad: Jay Leno for the Globe Message-ID: <20090407180850.37E4583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Found on YouTube; they're both in the news lately, the comedian (Ch 7 says no to his new show, plus Jay played Salem State this week for a benefit) plugging the in-dire-straits Boston Globe (latest news: price increases effective May 4, according to the Herald) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgb2Mog7Hcc Jay is seen talking to people on the street about the Globe's sports section and seems to mistake golf for miniature golf. From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 7 17:21:12 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:21:12 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> It looks as though that venerable Fitchburg callsign is no longer - they've changed to WPKZ, "The Heart of New England's Pulse," with talk and Fox sports, per the website at i1280.com. What did WEIM stand for, anyway? s From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Apr 7 18:42:04 2009 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:42:04 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> On Apr 7, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > It looks as though that venerable Fitchburg callsign is no longer - > they've changed to WPKZ, "The Heart of New England's Pulse," with > talk and Fox sports, per the website at i1280.com. So assuming WMAS Springfield had those calls since the beginning, that's two sets of heritage call letters gone just this week. WEIM's on-air branding was "AM 1280, The Blend", almost never mentioning the call letters except at the top of the hour. > What did WEIM stand for, anyway? I can't help with that. Paul From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 7 18:50:55 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:50:55 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> Message-ID: <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> Paul Anderson wrote: > On Apr 7, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> It looks as though that venerable Fitchburg callsign is no longer - >> they've changed to WPKZ, "The Heart of New England's Pulse," with talk >> and Fox sports, per the website at i1280.com. > > So assuming WMAS Springfield had those calls since the beginning, that's > two sets of heritage call letters gone just this week. WEIM's on-air > branding was "AM 1280, The Blend", almost never mentioning the call > letters except at the top of the hour. As best I can tell, WMAS was WMAS since day one way back in 1932. History? Who needs it? :( s From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:01:15 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: True Oldies Channel on WPRV Message-ID: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Scott reported in this week's NERW that WPRV 790 in Providence has ditched the True Oldies Channel for talk. I don't know about the rest of the dayparts (other than Imus) but they were running Bruce Palmer's local afternoon voicetracked oldies around 6PM tonight. No mention of new programming in any liners or promos. Perhaps they're running music as filler when the Yankees aren't playing? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:11:34 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:11:34 -0600 Subject: True Oldies Channel on WPRV In-Reply-To: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904071611q293c623en6c1ee34c5665c169@mail.gmail.com> Or maybe someone wasn't paying attention and/or didn't remember to reprogram the automation? Imus followed by Bloomberg Radio followed by Oldies sounds like an interesting mix! Paul Walker On 4/7/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Scott reported in this week's NERW that WPRV 790 in Providence has ditched > the True Oldies Channel for talk. I don't know about the rest of the > dayparts (other than Imus) but they were running Bruce Palmer's local > afternoon voicetracked oldies around 6PM tonight. No mention of new > programming in any liners or promos. Perhaps they're running music as filler > when the Yankees aren't playing? > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:22:12 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:22:12 -0400 Subject: True Oldies Channel on WPRV In-Reply-To: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c9b7d7$afb360f0$0f1a22d0$@net> > Scott reported in this week's NERW that WPRV 790 in Providence has > ditched the True Oldies Channel for talk. I don't know about the rest > of the dayparts (other than Imus) but they were running Bruce Palmer's > local afternoon voicetracked oldies around 6PM tonight. No mention of > new programming in any liners or promos. Perhaps they're running music > as filler when the Yankees aren't playing? I saw somewhere that it's supposed to start next Monday, April 13th. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 7 19:24:04 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:24:04 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20090407232350.80B227B96BA@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 06:50 PM 4/7/2009, Scott Fybush wrote: >As best I can tell, WMAS was WMAS since day one way back in 1932. > >History? Who needs it? :( There are fewer and fewer stations that use their original heritage calls... WBZ and KDKA are rapidly becoming a minority... From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 7 19:25:33 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:25:33 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> Message-ID: <20090407232520.92B4F7B9964@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> it was asked-- >>What did WEIM stand for, anyway? It was NOT a requested call letter. It was assigned, circa 1941, and those were the call letters the FCC gave the owners. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:31:43 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:31:43 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WEIM changes Message-ID: <49DBE25F.3070305@Gmail.com> Scott Fybush inquired, > What did WEIM stand for, anyway? We Entertain In Moderation?!? P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:32:45 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: True Oldies Channel on WPRV In-Reply-To: <003301c9b7d7$afb360f0$0f1a22d0$@net> References: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c9b7d7$afb360f0$0f1a22d0$@net> Message-ID: <609730.475.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> At least you would hope they would have the sense to kill liners such as "tell all your friends about the True Oldies Channel", but perhaps that's all they really have. Or no one notices or cares. ________________________________ From: Jeff Lehmann To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:22:12 PM Subject: RE: True Oldies Channel on WPRV > Scott reported in this week's NERW that WPRV 790 in Providence has > ditched the True Oldies Channel for talk. I don't know about the rest > of the dayparts (other than Imus) but they were running Bruce Palmer's > local afternoon voicetracked oldies around 6PM tonight. No mention of > new programming in any liners or promos. Perhaps they're running music > as filler when the Yankees aren't playing? I saw somewhere that it's supposed to start next Monday, April 13th. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From markwats@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:34:54 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:34:54 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> Bill Smith wrote: > In Philadelphia, the words stuck well into the 70s "Can we hear from you > on > CAU, TEnnyson 9-6790 from the city, Mohawk 7-0500 from the suburbs and > WOodlawn 3-5909 in New Jersey" And in the late 60's, Jim Droney, host of "Call 'CAP" on WCAP invited listeners to call in at Glenview 8-3101, which was WCAP's studio/on air number till sometime in the 70's. Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 7 19:42:04 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:42:04 -0600 Subject: True Oldies Channel on WPRV In-Reply-To: <609730.475.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <890078.64846.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c9b7d7$afb360f0$0f1a22d0$@net> <609730.475.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904071642s7e9c96davf74179afa1f05ca2@mail.gmail.com> Maureen, it's probably a combination of no one notices.. and no one cares, sadly :=( Paul Walker On 4/7/09, Maureen Carney wrote: > At least you would hope they would have the sense to kill liners such as > "tell all your friends about the True Oldies Channel", but perhaps that's > all they really have. Or no one notices or cares. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jeff Lehmann > To: Maureen Carney ; Boston Radio Group > > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:22:12 PM > Subject: RE: True Oldies Channel on WPRV > >> Scott reported in this week's NERW that WPRV 790 in Providence has >> ditched the True Oldies Channel for talk. I don't know about the rest >> of the dayparts (other than Imus) but they were running Bruce Palmer's >> local afternoon voicetracked oldies around 6PM tonight. No mention of >> new programming in any liners or promos. Perhaps they're running music >> as filler when the Yankees aren't playing? > > I saw somewhere that it's supposed to start next Monday, April 13th. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 7 19:42:23 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:42:23 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> Message-ID: <49DBE4DF.1030400@fybush.com> Mark Watson wrote: > Bill Smith wrote: > >> In Philadelphia, the words stuck well into the 70s "Can we hear from >> you on >> CAU, TEnnyson 9-6790 from the city, Mohawk 7-0500 from the suburbs and >> WOodlawn 3-5909 in New Jersey" > > And in the late 60's, Jim Droney, host of "Call 'CAP" on WCAP invited > listeners to call in at Glenview 8-3101, which was WCAP's studio/on air > number till sometime in the 70's. And in the early 90s, Bill O'Neill knew he could get the phones moving on a slow Saturday morning just by giving the number as GLenview 8-9123, which all but guaranteed 20 minutes of calls about old named phone exchanges before it was time for that kid in the other room to come on with the news... :-) s From markwats@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:43:00 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:43:00 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com><4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> Message-ID: Scott Fybush wrote: > As best I can tell, WMAS was WMAS since day one way back in 1932. And if I'm not mistaken, the WEIM calls were on 1280 in Fitchburg since day one back in 1941. If I remember, I'll have to listen in while I'm out and about in the vehicle tomorrow to sample the new format. Mark Watson From madprof@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr 7 20:08:45 2009 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:08:45 -0400 Subject: WMAS call change Message-ID: <380-220094380845250@ix.netcom.com> thank you for alerting me..... I used to work near the site/studio. WHLL, huh? why? Springfield has no hills .... compared to 7-hill Worcester. WMAS-FM has not chaaged call, both still co-owened (CITADEL) Bpb From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Apr 7 20:13:07 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:13:07 -0400 Subject: WMAS call change In-Reply-To: <380-220094380845250@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220094380845250@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <003d01c9b7de$cb945b10$62bd1130$@net> > thank you for alerting me..... I used to work near the site/studio. > WHLL, huh? why? Springfield has no hills .... compared to 7-hill > Worcester. > WMAS-FM has not chaaged call, both still co-owened (CITADEL) The Hall (because of the Hall of Fame studios), ESPN Radio http://www.trueoldiesam1450wmas.com/ Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:39:59 2009 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <812540.61783.qm@web39105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Paul Anderson wrote: > So assuming WMAS Springfield had those calls since the > beginning, that's two sets of heritage call letters gone > just this week.? WMAS was the original call sign, 1932. It was the second station in Springfield, and all of western Massachusetts, after WBZ, which I believe had by then done the call letter switch with WBZA. Perhaps Mr. Fybush can tell us whether the WMAS self-supporting AM tower behind the station building on the banks of the mighty Conn. River (which also holds the FM antenna) is the original tower. From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 7 21:05:58 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:05:58 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <812540.61783.qm@web39105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <812540.61783.qm@web39105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DBF876.2080401@fybush.com> Martin Waters wrote: > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> So assuming WMAS Springfield had those calls since the beginning, >> that's two sets of heritage call letters gone just this week. > > WMAS was the original call sign, 1932. It was the second station in > Springfield, and all of western Massachusetts, after WBZ, which I > believe had by then done the call letter switch with WBZA. > > Perhaps Mr. Fybush can tell us whether the WMAS self-supporting AM > tower behind the station building on the banks of the mighty Conn. > River (which also holds the FM antenna) is the original tower. I'm pretty sure it isn't; 1932 was very early for vertical AM antennas. The antenna structure registration for that tower claims 1939, but that may not be right, either. s From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 7 21:49:56 2009 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:49:56 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <20090408014941.E92EA44C025@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 07:43 PM 4/7/2009, Mark Watson wrote: >Scott Fybush wrote: > >>As best I can tell, WMAS was WMAS since day one way back in 1932. Yes, when WMAS went on the air, owned by the same crew that had brought you WLEX in Lexington (which later joined the Yankee Network as WAAB) and WLLH in Lowell. WMAS went on the air in September 1932 and moved several times-- but as was the custom back then, it was in a hotel. I think it was in the Stonehaven Hotel at one time... I'm getting ready for Passover, so I don't have time to go grab my files. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Apr 8 00:34:08 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:34:08 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com><4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> Message-ID: <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing once an hour? Makes no sense to me. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Paul Anderson" Cc: "B-R-I" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:50 PM Subject: Re: WEIM changes > Paul Anderson wrote: >> On Apr 7, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >>> It looks as though that venerable Fitchburg callsign is no longer - >>> they've changed to WPKZ, "The Heart of New England's Pulse," with talk >>> and Fox sports, per the website at i1280.com. >> >> So assuming WMAS Springfield had those calls since the beginning, that's >> two sets of heritage call letters gone just this week. WEIM's on-air >> branding was "AM 1280, The Blend", almost never mentioning the call >> letters except at the top of the hour. > > As best I can tell, WMAS was WMAS since day one way back in 1932. > > History? Who needs it? :( > > s > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 8 00:43:11 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:43:11 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <7C2863EE-F7E4-4AE2-9003-5584B6F55C68@charter.net> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com>, <7C2863EE-F7E4-4AE2-9003-5584B6F55C68@charter.net> Message-ID: <49DBF31F.29838.5CBCDB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 7 Apr 2009 at 7:48, Paul Anderson wrote: > I, and many others, are not interested in replacing a newspaper with > reading stories on a computer screen and would no longer be customers > of that "newspaper". I'd take my business to TV, although the > sensationalism on most stations would limit my viewing there too. I'm listening right now to a story on the BBC World Service about El Diario, a Spanish newspaper in New York, which seems to be doing quite well, unlike other papers. I notice that the Herald has been having a field day covering this business with the Globe. The Globe doesn't seem to be covering it at all. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Apr 8 00:57:20 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:57:20 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49DBF31F.29838.5CBCDB@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com>, <7C2863EE-F7E4-4AE2-9003-5584B6F55C68@charter.net> <49DBF31F.29838.5CBCDB@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49DC2EB0.1010402@gabrielmass.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > I notice that the Herald has been having a field day covering this > business with the Globe. The Globe doesn't seem to be covering it at > all. > Sure they are. A Herald photo I saw on-line showed a Globe newspaper box, with the front-page headline "Times Co. threatens to shut Globe; seeks $20m in cuts from unions". (story in 4/4 Globe) --RC From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 8 01:40:58 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:40:58 -0400 Subject: Somewhat OT: Times Co. threatens to shutter Boston Globe. In-Reply-To: <49DC2EB0.1010402@gabrielmass.com> References: <165870.65399.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <345C2D5DC54D4CCA811159A78FD67F69@skywaves.com> <7C2863EE-F7E4-4AE2-9003-5584B6F55C68@charter.net> <49DBF31F.29838.5CBCDB@joe.attorneyross.com> <49DC2EB0.1010402@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <18908.14570.842983.825617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A Herald photo I saw on-line showed a Globe newspaper box, with the > front-page headline "Times Co. threatens to shut Globe; seeks $20m in > cuts from unions". (story in 4/4 Globe) I saw that Globe story in the supermarket newspaper racks. Don't you think it's a little bit unseemly for the Glob to play up its financial difficulties in this way? Did anything else important happen on Friday? (I still think there *could* be a future for real, printed, daily newspapers in this world, but like many broadcasters, they seem to be trying their mightiest to convince their audience how dispensable they are. I think that, more than any alleged culture of entitlement, is what has stymied the profitability of newspaper-branded on-line news sites.[1][2]) -GAWollman [1] The rest are profitable merely because they can rely on cheap, unedited wire-service copy to fill the space. Once the newspapers that produce and subsidize most of that copy go away, wire-service subscriptions will cost news aggregators far more, and will cover far less. Many pundits are talking as if Google News is the future of news, but that just goes to show that they don't understand the difference between a news aggregator and actual journalism.[3] It can't be "aggregators all the way down": someone, ultimately, has to pay actual people to do actual reporting, editing, photography, and so on. [2] I don't think the right-wing spin machine's unending bleating about alleged "media bias" is without blame here, either: repeat a lie often enough and most people will believe it to be true. (There is such a thing as bias in the media, but the people who complain most loudly about it wouldn't know how to find it if you have them GPS coordinates.) [3] And I use Google News a lot, but I've yet to see the business model that will support it long-term. Right now, like most Google services, it's cross-subsidized by Google's vast online advertising business. One shouldn't expect that to continue. From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Apr 8 00:41:57 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:41:57 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> Message-ID: At 12:34 AM -0400 4/8/09, Doug Drown wrote: >Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing >once an hour? Makes no sense to me. -Doug > Because they can? :-) -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From bill.smith@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 07:17:11 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:17:11 -0400 Subject: ANdrew8-8000 Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20904080417t2c6cc8ffodb57daffa539f3ff@mail.gmail.com> At least Bill O. didn't inherit the Merrimack Valley cadence to telephone numbers, given by people who go back even further than the exchange name days. It's impossible to get a number the first time when they say it as (emphysis on) 45 (emphasis off but pick up speed considerably) 81266 with the pause not appearing after the utterance of the three digit exchange but after the first two digits. The host of Telephone Trading Time was supposed to repeat the caller's number, some hosts actually figured out what the biddies meant to say, but when a certain legendary sports announcer filled in, he read the sports agate page and never listened to the callers beyond their first words (caller: yes, today I have a collection of Barbies with missing heads and limbs" LSA: "Grreat many people are looking for that" and back to the Expos-Giants box score), which is working without a net when all you've got is a three-second mechanical delay. He'd finally notice they had stopped babbling about the treasures they sought to sell,usually after a long morning of trash-picking ("sorry, no used cars, tires or oil burners"), look up from the newspaper, and hit the next call. Fortunately, 9:05 - 9:30 is when the Cohens walked from their Car (unit one) to the studios, so they never knew. 2009/4/7 Scott Fybush > > And in the early 90s, Bill O'Neill knew he could get the phones moving on a > slow Saturday morning just by giving the number as GLenview 8-9123, which > all but guaranteed 20 minutes of calls about old named phone exchanges > before it was time for that kid in the other room to come on with the > news... :-) > > s > - From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 06:39:27 2009 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:39:27 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net> <49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> Message-ID: <521b7fd10904080339q249bff7bv19bd3f10c341fde8@mail.gmail.com> At 12:34 AM -0400 4/8/09, Doug Drown wrote: > >> Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing once an >> hour? ?Makes no sense to me. ? -Doug It does seem a little silly. They are branding it "AM 1450 - The Hall" because the station's studio is located inside the Springfield Basketball Hall of Fame, and they are now primarily ESPN Radio. It's one of those call letters once per hour deals. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 16:09:28 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:09:28 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> Message-ID: <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> Mark Watson wrote: > And in the late 60's, Jim Droney, host of "Call 'CAP" on WCAP invited > listeners to call in at Glenview 8-3101, which was WCAP's studio/on > air number till sometime in the 70's. > I do believe that was "GLenview 8-9123." That number still rings into the station but the new owners opted to go with new lead numbers. Perhaps you're thinking of the former WLLH numbers 458-8715 and 686-5101? I never liked it when WBZ shifted from 254-5678 to 254-10 30. WHDH's was 266-Eleven Hundred or, as Eddie Andelman would say "Two Six Six ONE ONE HUNDRED is our numbah..." Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 8 16:27:57 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:27:57 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I never liked it when WBZ shifted from 254-5678 to 254-10 30. I suppose you're prefer the old "ALgonquin 4-5678".... I've never quite figured out why WBZ's call-in number is in the old ALGonquin exchange yet the main number is in the old STadium 7 exchange. I don't think they were historically in the same place, although they are both in the Brighton-Wirt St. CO now. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 8 16:37:55 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:37:55 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I've never quite figured out why WBZ's call-in number is in the old > ALGonquin exchange yet the main number is in the old STadium 7 > exchange. I don't think they were historically in the same place, > although they are both in the Brighton-Wirt St. CO now. It might help to know that the main number, back in the days of ALgonquin 4-5678, was AL 4-5670, and that that number dates all the way back to the move to Soldiers Field Road in 1948. (The number at the Hotel Bradford was HANcock 4261, for whatever that's worth.) The 787-7xxx centrex office numbers didn't come in until the late seventies or maybe the early eighties. I'm pretty sure the 787 exchange postdates the STadium 3- numbers in the area by many years. s From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 8 16:49:54 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:49:54 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DD0DF2.4010000@fybush.com> And as long as we're on the topic of old Boston radio phone numbers, it bears noting that WNAC's number - COMmonwealth 0800, later COmmonwealth 6-0800 - remained the same from at least as far back as 1935 (the oldest listing I have) until the 1967 move to Government Center. While I have the 1967 Broadcasting Yearbook out, I note that WCOP's number then - COpley 7-0123 - stuck with 100.7 (as 267-0123) right up till the move out to Brighton a year or two ago. There are some other familiar numbers in the book from that far back...WROL's 423-0210 stayed in use until the sale to Salem, WEIM's DIamond 3-3766 still rings out there as 343-3766, WLYN's LYnn 5-6200 still rings at WFNX, last I checked, and WHIL's 396-1430 still gets you Kiss. PIlgrim 6-1390 is still WPLM's main number, and 893-7080 is still the number at WCRB. (Those Waltham numbers were TWinbrook back in the day, and I don't know why WCRB was listed all-numerically.) s From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 09:26:01 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:26:01 -0600 Subject: The WEIM/WPKZ 1280 Call Letter Meanings Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904080626k15b24e9lfe91a1911148e3d2@mail.gmail.com> I heard this from AM 1280's Morning Host, Ben Parker.. * "WPKZ does not stand for anything specifically. We made the decision based on the "strength" of the call letter sound and obviously could only choose calls from those available to use. * * * *WEIM did not specifically stand for anything - though the story goes they (eim) are the last three letters of the original owners name."* There ya go, I'm sure some of you already knew this stuff, but I figured I'd go right to the "horses mouth" and get confirmation! -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 17:28:35 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:28:35 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill O'Neill wrote: > I do believe that was "GLenview 8-9123." That number still rings into the > station but the new owners opted to go with new lead numbers. Perhaps > you're thinking of the former WLLH numbers 458-8715 and 686-5101? Bill, I thought WCAP's on air studio number was Glenview 8-3101 back when I was a wee lad of 6 or 7 years old, I remember hearing Jim Droney giving those numbers. If Scott still has that old 1967 yearbook out, maybe he could check the listing for WCAP to see if they list that on-air number. Funny the things we remember, I can remember old radio station phone numbers, but I can't remember what I had for supper last Thursday . As far as I can remember, the WLLH Lowell & Lawrence on air numbers were the same from the days of my youth up until Arnold Lerner sold it to Mega. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 17:33:05 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:33:05 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com><4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net><49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> Message-ID: <5E81E6AB18DA4E90B824ED51DECCD155@Mark> Doug Drown wrote: > Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing once an > hour? Makes no sense to me. They are mentioning the WPKZ calls in every promo for Red Sox, the morning show, etc. Also it appears that after the live morning drive, at least in the 9AM & 2 PM hours when I tuned in for a few moments while out & about, they were running talk shows from Fox News. I did hear the TOH ID at 3, "WPKZ Fitchburg/Worcester" into ABC News. How is the day signal into Worcester? At night on 1KW, I'm guessing it can't be heard there? Mark Watson From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:38:26 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:38:26 -0400 Subject: ANdrew8-8000 In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20904080417t2c6cc8ffodb57daffa539f3ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904080417t2c6cc8ffodb57daffa539f3ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD1952.2040800@gmail.com> Bill Smith wrote: > At least Bill O. didn't inherit the Merrimack Valley cadence to telephone > numbers, given by people who go back even further than the exchange name > days. I still "hear" that cadence and recall that it would seem that the string of numbers was about 19 long, e.g., 458...9123 verus 45....8912375649096775849937. Call me nuts but that's would my brain would receive. > It's impossible to get a number the first time when they say it as > (emphysis on) 45 (emphasis off but pick up speed considerably) 81266 with > the pause not appearing after the utterance of the three digit exchange but > after the first two digits. > The host of Telephone Trading Time was supposed > to repeat the caller's number, some hosts actually figured out what the > biddies meant to say, but when a certain legendary sports announcer filled > in, he read the sports agate page and never listened to the callers beyond > their first words (caller: yes, today I have a collection of Barbies with > missing heads and limbs" LSA: "Grreat many people are looking for that" > and back to the Expos-Giants box score), which is working without a net when > all you've got is a three-second mechanical delay. Would that LSA be practicing the Mercier's Car & Van Wash copy for the next 13-week run during the Sunday noon all-important WCAP Neyews? > He'd finally notice they > had stopped babbling about the treasures they sought to sell,usually after a > long morning of trash-picking ("sorry, no used cars, tires or oil > burners"), look up from the newspaper, and hit the next call. Fortunately, > 9:05 - 9:30 is when the Cohens walked from their Car (unit one) to the > studios, so they never knew. > Ah, but that was the only "null" in their listening cycle. And thanks for the reference to the old KCG-492. I recall the ancient Chrysler station wagon with the calls and "modern" sixties lightning bolts racing to the scene of the crime ready to pounce for sign-on back in the 1 kW days of my listening youth. Local news, what a silly old convention. Bill O'Neill From francini@mac.com Wed Apr 8 17:04:32 2009 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:04:32 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> Message-ID: The other thing, of course, is that it's quite likely that the 254 exchange -- at least for the 56xx part -- was likely set up to deal with huge influxes of calls, much the way most Boston stations' contest call-in numbers are 617-931-xxxx. Special equipment was necessary to push the call blocking higher up the telephone switching hierarchy -- to the tandem offices -- so that calls to other numbers in the exchange would go through even as 10,000 or more people were trying to call a single number (or even a relatively short hunt group). john On 8 Apr 2009, at 16:37, Scott Fybush wrote: > Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> I've never quite figured out why WBZ's call-in number is in the old >> ALGonquin exchange yet the main number is in the old STadium 7 >> exchange. I don't think they were historically in the same place, >> although they are both in the Brighton-Wirt St. CO now. > > It might help to know that the main number, back in the days of > ALgonquin 4-5678, was AL 4-5670, and that that number dates all the > way back to the move to Soldiers Field Road in 1948. (The number at > the Hotel Bradford was HANcock 4261, for whatever that's worth.) > > The 787-7xxx centrex office numbers didn't come in until the late > seventies or maybe the early eighties. I'm pretty sure the 787 > exchange postdates the STadium 3- numbers in the area by many years. > > s From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 17:39:13 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:39:13 -0400 Subject: ANdrew8-8000 References: <3ffa0ce20904080417t2c6cc8ffodb57daffa539f3ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6AD42810ACB845EA84385B1A8B9A7106@Mark> Bill Smith wrote: The host of Telephone Trading Time was supposed > to repeat the caller's number, some hosts actually figured out what the > biddies meant to say, but when a certain legendary sports announcer > filled > in, he read the sports agate page and never listened to the callers beyond > their first words (caller: yes, today I have a collection of Barbies with > missing heads and limbs" LSA: "Grreat many people are looking for that" > and back to the Expos-Giants box score), which is working without a net > when > all you've got is a three-second mechanical delay. He'd finally notice > they > had stopped babbling about the treasures they sought to sell,usually after > a > long morning of trash-picking ("sorry, no used cars, tires or oil > burners"), look up from the newspaper, and hit the next call. IIRC, in the recorded opening for WCAP's "TTT", weren't the" forbidden items" automobiles, mattresses, real estate or firearms? And who was the legendary sports announcer you are referring to? I'm guessing it's not John Tucker, he did high school football on Saturdays but also held down AM drive for a while in the 70's, the AM drive host's dutues usually included hosting "TTT" . I thinking of a sports announcer with the initials J.S. Mark Watson From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:41:26 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:41:26 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD1A06.4040602@gmail.com> Mark Watson wrote: > Bill, I thought WCAP's on air studio number was Glenview 8-3101 back > when I was a wee lad of 6 or 7 years old, I remember hearing Jim > Droney giving those numbers. My friend, I will defer to you on that one. Your sourcing is stellar. My octogenarian parents suggest now that I listen to Mr. Watson more often in matters such as these. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:00:06 2009 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:00:06 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD0DF2.4010000@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0DF2.4010000@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0904081400o41be403fp929a410d72bcaa7e@mail.gmail.com> WMWM used to be 745-9400 (business line: -9401) then someone got the idea to make it 745-9170, as in our frequency of 91.7. Then a couple years back the college wanted us to go with the 542 exchange they had and we got 542-8500 (8501 for business). Was told the 9000 block of numbers wasn't available. In some ways it would have been neat to keep the 9170, or 0917 or something On 4/8/09, Scott Fybush wrote: > And as long as we're on the topic of old Boston radio phone numbers, it > bears noting that WNAC's number - COMmonwealth 0800, later COmmonwealth > 6-0800 - remained the same from at least as far back as 1935 (the oldest > listing I have) until the 1967 move to Government Center. > > While I have the 1967 Broadcasting Yearbook out, I note that WCOP's > number then - COpley 7-0123 - stuck with 100.7 (as 267-0123) right up > till the move out to Brighton a year or two ago. > > There are some other familiar numbers in the book from that far > back...WROL's 423-0210 stayed in use until the sale to Salem, WEIM's > DIamond 3-3766 still rings out there as 343-3766, WLYN's LYnn 5-6200 > still rings at WFNX, last I checked, and WHIL's 396-1430 still gets you > Kiss. PIlgrim 6-1390 is still WPLM's main number, and 893-7080 is still > the number at WCRB. (Those Waltham numbers were TWinbrook back in the > day, and I don't know why WCRB was listed all-numerically.) > > s > > From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Apr 8 21:46:50 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:46:50 -0400 Subject: ANdrew8-8000 In-Reply-To: <6AD42810ACB845EA84385B1A8B9A7106@Mark> References: <3ffa0ce20904080417t2c6cc8ffodb57daffa539f3ff@mail.gmail.com> <6AD42810ACB845EA84385B1A8B9A7106@Mark> Message-ID: <49dd539e.9e03be0a.5f9b.046f@mx.google.com> At 05:39 PM 4/8/2009, Mark Watson wrote: > IIRC, in the recorded opening for WCAP's "TTT", weren't the" > forbidden items" automobiles, mattresses, real estate or firearms? What about 24(?) channel CB rigs? I remember hearing an intro to a swap-shop show somewhere that listed them as a forbidden item too. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Wed Apr 8 22:43:38 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:43:38 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com><4A1C4D39-99B2-4FEA-892C-BB68C79FCF5F@charter.net><49DBD8CF.2080803@fybush.com> <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> <5E81E6AB18DA4E90B824ED51DECCD155@Mark> Message-ID: <829C060643E24C368FFF7F6A9CE8061C@DougDrown> 1280 can't be heard in Westminster at night, to say nothing of cester. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Scott Fybush" ; "Paul Anderson" Cc: "B-R-I" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: WEIM changes > Doug Drown wrote: > > >> Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing once an >> hour? Makes no sense to me. > > They are mentioning the WPKZ calls in every promo for Red Sox, the > morning show, etc. Also it appears that after the live morning drive, at > least in the 9AM & 2 PM hours when I tuned in for a few moments while out > & about, they were running talk shows from Fox News. I did hear the TOH ID > at 3, "WPKZ Fitchburg/Worcester" into ABC News. How is the day signal into > Worcester? At night on 1KW, I'm guessing it can't be heard there? > > Mark Watson > From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 8 22:54:14 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:54:14 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The 254 exchange was Allston for years. The BZ switchboard was indeed > 254-5670 and the call in number in the 60's was 254-5674 > > WMEX and Jerry Williams were the first to use 931 when they moved from > Fenway Park to Bay Village around 1965. BZ was asked by Telco to move > to 931 but they fought it. They did agree to change the number to > 254-5678. > They did, much later on, get 931-1030 specifically for contest call-ins, and I'm pretty sure it's still there for that purpose. s From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 8 23:07:19 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:07:19 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18909.26215.282144.647835@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > They did, much later on, get 931-1030 specifically for contest call-ins, > and I'm pretty sure it's still there for that purpose. I'm pretty certain that it is, since they do a contest every hour at in AM drive right before the :15 sports. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 22:26:52 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:26:52 -0500 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> The 254 exchange was Allston for years. The BZ switchboard was indeed 254-5670 and the call in number in the 60's was 254-5674 WMEX and Jerry Williams were the first to use 931 when they moved from Fenway Park to Bay Village around 1965. BZ was asked by Telco to move to 931 but they fought it. They did agree to change the number to 254-5678. From lspin@comcast.net Wed Apr 8 23:27:29 2009 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:27:29 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9b8c3$1d3efad0$57bcf070$@net> In the early 80s, we had Mark Parenteau on WBCN apologizing with great humility for having to use a 931-number for a contest. We all know that the real, ultra-cool phone number for WBCN was 536-8000. I don't think the 931-number lasted for very long at WBCN. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:54 PM > > WMEX and Jerry Williams were the first to use 931 when they moved from > Fenway Park to Bay Village around 1965. BZ was asked by Telco to move > to 931 but they fought it. They did agree to change the number to > 254-5678. > They did, much later on, get 931-1030 specifically for contest call-ins, and I'm pretty sure it's still there for that purpose. From bill.smith@comcast.net Thu Apr 9 00:04:49 2009 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 00:04:49 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20904082104g68e2e44dxa08445ed1699a39f@mail.gmail.com> The occasional TTT host on the CAP to whom I refer was indeed John Tucker; Shimko did sports before CAP went automated with live-assist in the morning. John, known as the Voice of Mercier Bros., was the only non-news talent in the building when PD Bob Dumais wasn't in to handle TTT, so he drew the dreaded duty. Mark Watson has a better recollection than I about the banned TTT items! As for WBZ's call-in number, Glick had an entirely different number on the overnight for his first several years. It was 254-5689, which he would sing (he did try singing 254-5678, but it just didn't work). This was during the midnight to six era (except Friday night/Saturday morning when 5:30 to 6 was turned over to BZ Countryside, an expanded version of the daily "swell farm report" produced by the UMass extension service in which the local version of Hank Kimball would interview someone from the back 40 about the latest trends in rutabaga growing. ) Absent in many of the Glick recollections seen lately are mentions of how he worked that shift completely solo -- no news announcer, no producer, no screener. He'd play a song going into the news so he could go rip the wire, a song coming out of news , and a song when he had to "get a drink of water." He also made his own outgoing calls ("Let me know if you have a swell call. Westinghouse and I split the long-distance 50/50"). He used a rotary dial phone live on-air, which meant the entire call was live, including the initial pick-up at the other end. This led to such things as the legendary call to Alf Landon, who was not too pleased about being awakened and wasn't shy about expressing his views of Glick's impertinence. The only spot during the overnight was for D-Con. ("Hey Larry, how come you only have one commercial all night and it's about killing rats") The show lost something when it was moved a couple of hours earlier and became more "produced." Before that, there was a genuine one-to-one feeling between host and listener being together in the dark of night From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 8 23:24:13 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:24:13 -0400 Subject: The WEIM/WPKZ 1280 Call Letter Meanings In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904080626k15b24e9lfe91a1911148e3d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80904080626k15b24e9lfe91a1911148e3d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD6A5D.9070105@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > *WEIM did not specifically stand for anything - though the story goes they > (eim) are the last three letters of the original owners name."* > > There ya go, I'm sure some of you already knew this stuff, but I figured I'd > go right to the "horses mouth" and get confirmation! > Sure enough, the 1944 BY lists a "Ruben G. Aronheim" as station owner. I'll be darned... s From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 9 01:11:24 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:11:24 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com>, <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown>, Message-ID: <49DD4B3C.31914.A70CE4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Apr 2009 at 0:41, Larry Weil wrote: > At 12:34 AM -0400 4/8/09, Doug Drown wrote: > > >Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing once > >an hour? Makes no sense to me. -Doug Probably because they want to make a clean break, without whatever baggage the old call letters carried in the public mind. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 9 01:11:24 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:11:24 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com>, <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com>, <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DD4B3C.12828.A70DF2@joe.attorneyross.com> On 8 Apr 2009 at 16:27, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I've never quite figured out why WBZ's call-in number is in the old > ALGonquin exchange yet the main number is in the old STadium 7 > exchange. I don't think they were historically in the same place, > although they are both in the Brighton-Wirt St. CO now. Actually, I think they were both Allston or Allston-Brighton. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Apr 9 06:31:10 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 05:31:10 -0500 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> BZ gave 2 reasons for not going to 931. The main reason was callers from outside 617 would almost always get a circuit busy which would have played havoc with talk shows and the other was 931 was considered Central Exchange which charged customers double message units than 254. From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Apr 9 09:24:01 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:24:01 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DD4B3C.31914.A70CE4@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com> <627C9DE742AA40179CAEC1F0DF02BDD5@DougDrown> <49DD4B3C.31914.A70CE4@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:11 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >> >>> Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing >>> once >>> an hour? Makes no sense to me. -Doug > > Probably because they want to make a clean break, without whatever > baggage the old call letters carried in the public mind. Radio people often say this, but I see no evidence that it's true: WRKO used to be top 40. WBZ used to be top 40. WEEI used to be all news. WBOS used to be country. WBCN used to be classical. WAAF used to be beautiful music. Their call letters survived dramatic format changes with little demonstrable effect on the new ratings. From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Apr 9 08:41:13 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:41:13 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <002e01c9b8c3$1d3efad0$57bcf070$@net> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <002e01c9b8c3$1d3efad0$57bcf070$@net> Message-ID: <9ff2be350904090541r101560afuba5089661c59b822@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Lou wrote: > In the early 80s, we had Mark Parenteau on WBCN apologizing with great > humility for having to use a 931-number for a contest. ?We all know that the > real, ultra-cool phone number for WBCN was 536-8000. ?I don't think the > 931-number lasted for very long at WBCN. > > I don't get it. Why was a 931 # so uncool compared to the other one? I mean it wasn't like 'BCN was the counterculture station anymore (or did Parenteau somehow think it still was?). From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Apr 9 09:36:17 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:36:17 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > BZ gave 2 reasons for not going to 931. The main reason was callers > from outside 617 would almost always get a circuit busy which would > have played havoc with talk shows [snip] > IIRC, the 931 exchange was designed to moderate "contest" & "talk" traffic by only allowing a small number of calls from each exchange/area code (don't remember which) giving a busy to the rest of the callers. It was to avoid clogging up tie lines from one exchange to another. From mrschuyler@aol.com Wed Apr 8 08:18:11 2009 From: mrschuyler@aol.com (mrschuyler@aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:18:11 -0400 Subject: WEIM Changes Message-ID: <8CB865B37DD3E12-1118-1FEC@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> The Blend always promoted its website as i1280.com. Typing that URL takes you to WEIM.com, which has been only partially changed over to the new calls and "Pulse" nickname. Still plenty of Blend graphics and the old music lineup (John Tesh, Billy Bush). Ben Parker and Scott May are on the air?this morning as usual. New lineup will be "talk all day, sports all night:" Parker & May local Morning Show Brian & the Judge John Gibson Sean Hannity Fox Sports (following Red Sox) "The new 1280 WPKZ, the Heart of New England's Pulse" is quite a mouthful. Good luck getting the locals to swallow that one. Seems to me they persisted in calling the station WEIM (if they refered to it at all) and never adopted the Blend moniker. As for the new calls, maybe the proliferation of WEEI soundalikes prompted the change. But there's no Fitchburg ratings book (not even a Pulse report!) and they only used WEIM at the TOH, so... Plus, instead of "Fitchburg-Leominster," the new legal ID is WPKZ Fitchburg-Worcester. Mr. Parker? Reality's calling on line one. --jim schuyler From lglavin@mail.com Wed Apr 8 18:08:31 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:08:31 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: "Doug Drown" , "Scott Fybush" , "Paul Anderson" >Cc: "B-R-I" >Subject: Re: WEIM changes >Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:33:05 -0400 > >Doug Drown wrote: > Why change the call letters if they're only mentioned in passing > once an hour? Makes no sense to me. >They are mentioning the WPKZ calls in every promo for Red Sox, >the morning show, etc. Also it appears that after the live morning >drive, at least in the 9AM & 2 PM hours when I tuned in for a few >moments while out & about, they were running talk shows from Fox >News. I did hear the TOH ID at 3, "WPKZ Fitchburg/Worcester" into >ABC News. How is the day signal into Worcester? At night on 1KW, >I'm guessing it can't be heard there? >Mark Watson A question for the TOH ID experts: is a station limited to the city or cities of license for their legally-required IDs? Shouldn't a station be licensed to Lewiston-Auburn, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Lowell and Lawrence, etc before it uses multi-city locations after the calls. At other times, it's "katy bar the door" (I know you're saying 'please don't call me katy'). I remember when the AM 900 in Nash-wah (their jingle went "WMVU, Nash-wah"), NH also mentioned Lowell, Lawrence and even Andover at non-legal-ID times. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 9 11:42:26 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:42:26 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A question for the TOH ID experts: is a station limited to the city > or cities of license for their legally-required IDs? Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not part of the ID. > Shouldn't a station be licensed to Lewiston-Auburn, > Minneapolis-St. Paul, Lowell and Lawrence, etc before it uses > multi-city locations after the calls. Nope. The FCC tried this for a while in the late 1960s and early 1970s, but quickly abandoned it. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 9 11:49:07 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:49:07 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <20090409154907.E1FEC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> WORK 107.1 in Barre VT used to name about 6 or 7 other communities after its legal ID So it would be "WORK Barre/Montpelier...Northfield...Berlin...Plainfield..." and so on From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 9 11:58:14 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:58:14 -0400 Subject: WEIM Changes References: <8CB865B37DD3E12-1118-1FEC@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <64575936BA36484CBE31A603A70FB88D@SatU205S5044> It's a BAD positioner! Not only is "the heart of New England's Pulse" quite a mouthful, it is ambiguous. What they mean is "the Pulse of the heart of New England," which is one word and one syllable longer but is unambiguous. However, in the station's version, you can also interpret pulse as referring to just heart, which makes some sense (after all a living heart does produce a pulse). But thinking of heart in that sense does not--for me at least--suggest Worcester County and environs. In fact, the first few times I read the slogan, I asked myself what New England's Pulse was and why the station should be the heart of it. So. if I had a vote, which I obviously don't, I'd choose the version with the extra syllable. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: WEIM Changes > The Blend always promoted its website as i1280.com. Typing that URL > takes you to WEIM.com, which has been only partially changed over to > the new calls and "Pulse" nickname. Still plenty of Blend graphics > and the old music lineup (John Tesh, Billy Bush). > > Ben Parker and Scott May are on the air?this morning as usual. New > lineup will be "talk all day, sports all night:" > Parker & May local Morning Show > Brian & the Judge > John Gibson > Sean Hannity > Fox Sports (following Red Sox) > > "The new 1280 WPKZ, the Heart of New England's Pulse" is quite a > mouthful. Good luck getting the locals to swallow that one. Seems to > me they persisted in calling the station WEIM (if they refered to it > at all) and never adopted the Blend moniker. As for the new calls, > maybe the proliferation of WEEI soundalikes prompted the change. But > there's no Fitchburg ratings book (not even a Pulse report!) and > they only used WEIM at the TOH, so... > > Plus, instead of "Fitchburg-Leominster," the new legal ID is WPKZ > Fitchburg-Worcester. Mr. Parker? Reality's calling on line one. > > > --jim schuyler From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 9 12:06:52 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:06:52 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <20090409160654.9336849B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Garrett said: >>Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not part of the ID. Indeed and in the example I gave in my other post the ID is WORK Barre, and everything afterwards is NOT part of the actual legal ID. WNSH has been "WNSH Beverly-Danvers", "WNSH Beverly-Salem", and "WNSH Beverly-Hamilton", each time with a nod to their studio location at the time but only the Beverly part was part of the legal ID. And hey... who IS Beverly Hamilton? :) Technically my station could be "WMWM Salem-Marblehead-Beverly-Danvers" if we wanted. Only the WMWM Salem is the legal ID. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 9 12:10:58 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:10:58 -0500 Subject: WEIM Changes Message-ID: <20090409161058.1FDA949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes. Very much a lot to say. They could just say "the Pulse" (a nickname used by WTPL 107.7 in the Manchester NH area) I think the Worcester area (which WEIM is trying to include itself in, though licensed to Fitchburg) bills itself as "The Heart of New England" (the Central Mass. Conv. & Vistor's Bureau, for one, uses that slogan and has a heart as part of its logo) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 11:24:58 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WMUR TV sponsored job fair spurns comments about "lack of planning" Message-ID: <379159.87586.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WMUR TV Manchester NH is sponsoring a major job fair today at Southern NH University. Twice, parking plans were modified to accommodate the anticipated crowd of 3000-5000 attendees. The majority of the parking was to be at the Mall of NH with participants were to be bused quite a distance to the school. According to the Manchester Union Leader and WMUR TV, the mall parking is FULL. Organizers have scrambled to find alternatives. Some readers are already starting to offer comments about poor planing. John B From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Apr 9 12:41:57 2009 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:41:57 -0400 Subject: WMUR TV sponsored job fair spurns comments about "lack of planning" In-Reply-To: <379159.87586.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <379159.87586.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DE2555.7060505@ttlc.net> That explains WBZ Traffic's oblique reference to "an event" causing Extremely Congested Traffic for 293 & downtown Manchester. Apparently, the chose not to advertise on WBZ. John Bolduc wrote: > WMUR TV Manchester NH is sponsoring a major job fair today at Southern NH University. > > Twice, parking plans were modified to accommodate the anticipated crowd of 3000-5000 attendees. > > The majority of the parking was to be at the Mall of NH with participants were to be bused quite a distance to the school. > > According to the Manchester Union Leader and WMUR TV, the mall parking is FULL. Organizers have scrambled to find alternatives. > > Some readers are already starting to offer comments about poor planing. > > > John B > > > From mward@iname.com Thu Apr 9 11:56:01 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:56:01 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they > want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not part > of the ID. A friend of mine once did something like this when he worked nights at WCUE/1150 Cuyahoga Falls (back in its MOR days, the station is now a Family Radio repeater): WCUE Cuyahoga Falls/Akron/Canton/Cleveland/Barberton/Youngstown/Chicago/New York/Los Angeles As Garrett correctly notes here, everything after "Falls" is just "other programming". Anything before "WCUE", same thing. >> Shouldn't a station be licensed to Lewiston-Auburn, >> Minneapolis-St. Paul, Lowell and Lawrence, etc before it uses >> multi-city locations after the calls. > > Nope. The FCC tried this for a while in the late 1960s and early > 1970s, but quickly abandoned it. WJER/1450 about 40 miles south of here is licensed to Dover-New Philadelphia. This may have taken effect in that short period. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 9 14:01:13 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:01:13 -0400 Subject: WEIM Changes References: <20090409161058.1FDA949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <375C3938D09347028149CCBCAE49C953@SatU205S5044> The slogan could be unambiguous AND not use an extra word or syllable if they interchanged two words: the Pulse of New England's heart instead of the heart of New England's Pulse. I guess the folks who made up the positioner didn't think of that version, which is, I think, a definite improvement. Also, I suppose they wanted to keep the heart of New England in its original form, but that creates the problem I described in my previous post. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: WEIM Changes Yes. Very much a lot to say. They could just say "the Pulse" (a nickname used by WTPL 107.7 in the Manchester NH area) I think the Worcester area (which WEIM is trying to include itself in, though licensed to Fitchburg) bills itself as "The Heart of New England" (the Central Mass. Conv. & Vistor's Bureau, for one, uses that slogan and has a heart as part of its logo) From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Apr 9 14:30:49 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:30:49 -0400 Subject: WEIM Changes In-Reply-To: <375C3938D09347028149CCBCAE49C953@SatU205S5044> References: <20090409161058.1FDA949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> <375C3938D09347028149CCBCAE49C953@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <49DE3ED9.20904@gabrielmass.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The slogan could be unambiguous AND not use an extra word or syllable > if they interchanged two words: the Pulse of New England's heart > instead of the heart of New England's Pulse. One doesn't commonly speak of the heart as having a pulse, but rather a heartbeat. If the "Heartbeat of New England" is already taken or if people still want a pulse regardless, then maybe they need to talk about the Pulse of the Arteries flowing from the Heart of New England. That pulse would be taken in the Wrist of New England. You're welcome. --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 9 15:49:01 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: WEIM Changes References: <20090409161058.1FDA949B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><375C3938D09347028149CCBCAE49C953@SatU205S5044> <49DE3ED9.20904@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <2E844703729B4A238573FA00315FC57B@SatU205S5044> The pulse is a consequence of the action of the heart. The left ventricle contracts and relaxes, causing blood to pulse through arteries and veins; you can feel those pulses in the wrist and in many other places; the neck, for example. Now back to the program in progress. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: WEIM Changes > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> The slogan could be unambiguous AND not use an extra word or >> syllable >> if they interchanged two words: the Pulse of New England's heart >> instead of the heart of New England's Pulse. > > > One doesn't commonly speak of the heart as having a pulse, but > rather a heartbeat. If the "Heartbeat of New England" is already > taken or if people still want a pulse regardless, then maybe they > need to talk about the Pulse of the Arteries flowing from the Heart > of New England. That pulse would be taken in the Wrist of New > England. > > You're welcome. > > --RC > From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Apr 9 15:36:35 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:36:35 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> Message-ID: In Connecticut, WKSS is licensed to "Hartford-Meriden" and must ID as such. It says so right on the license in the control room. "WKSS, Hartford" would not be legal in this case. There is a story as to why the COL was applied for and granted this way but it escapes me at the moment.... -D On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Mike Ward wrote: > Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they >> want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not >> part >> of the ID. > > A friend of mine once did something like this when he worked nights > at WCUE/1150 Cuyahoga Falls (back in its MOR days, the station is > now a Family Radio repeater): > > WCUE Cuyahoga Falls/Akron/Canton/Cleveland/Barberton/Youngstown/ > Chicago/New York/Los Angeles > > As Garrett correctly notes here, everything after "Falls" is just > "other programming". Anything before "WCUE", same thing. > >>> Shouldn't a station be licensed to Lewiston-Auburn, >>> Minneapolis-St. Paul, Lowell and Lawrence, etc before it uses >>> multi-city locations after the calls. >> Nope. The FCC tried this for a while in the late 1960s and early >> 1970s, but quickly abandoned it. > > WJER/1450 about 40 miles south of here is licensed to Dover-New > Philadelphia. This may have taken effect in that short period. From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 9 17:30:45 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> Message-ID: <18910.26885.457365.972778@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In Connecticut, WKSS is licensed to "Hartford-Meriden" and must ID as > such. It says so right on the license in the control room. "WKSS, > Hartford" would not be legal in this case. There is a story as to why > the COL was applied for and granted this way but it escapes me at the > moment.... There was a time, not that long ago, when you had to have your studio in the community of license. 95.7, you will recall, is the old WMMW-FM and was originally a Meriden station. Presumably, at some point they wanted to move the studios to Hartford, but the Commission was being ornery at the time and wouldn't let them discontinue "service" to Meriden. (Or maybe they had studios in both cities.) The hyphenated community provided some flexibility. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 9 16:36:16 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:36:16 -0600 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904091336m584c6d5die03cc3800c4ddc1f@mail.gmail.com> And the 790 north of Orlando is licensed as WLBE Leesburg-Eustis as well. Eustis has another station, a Class C on 1240 and Leesburg has another station, a Class D on 1410 owned by a company I used to work for. 790 is not co owned with 1240 or 1410 and is in fact, up for sale... Paul Wlaker www.onairdj.com On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Dave Tomm wrote: > In Connecticut, WKSS is licensed to "Hartford-Meriden" and must ID as such. > It says so right on the license in the control room. "WKSS, Hartford" > would not be legal in this case. There is a story as to why the COL was > applied for and granted this way but it escapes me at the moment.... > > -D > > > > From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 9 14:32:49 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A46AA153@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>IIRC, the 931 exchange was designed to moderate "contest" & "talk" traffic by only allowing a small number of calls from each exchange/area code (don't remember which) giving a busy to the rest of the callers. It was to avoid clogging up tie lines from one exchange to another.<< The 617-931 exchange (and other similar exchanges in every major city) is known as a "choke" exchange. It is specifically designed to prevent overloads and cable and circuit burnouts (which used to occasionally happen) by routing excess calls to dead or non-existent trunks. The one example I can think of, which led to the invention of this type of configuration, was the old WABC offering two tickets to a Beatles concert, using a phone number in the midtown-Manhattan LT1 exchange which carried most of the phone service for ABC's New York operations. The ensuing overload resulted in a cutoff of emergency police/fire/ambulance service calls to the central dispatcher in Manhattan from Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. The story goes that telco executives paid a call to ABC's executive suite and threatened a total service cut-off and equipment removal if they ever tried anything like that again. Meanwhile their technical types came up with the choke system, to avoid the problem in the future. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 9 18:42:03 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:42:03 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A46AA153@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A46AA153@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <18910.31163.689428.425013@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The 617-931 exchange (and other similar exchanges in every major > city) is known as a "choke" exchange. It is specifically designed > to prevent overloads and cable and circuit burnouts (which used to > occasionally happen) by routing excess calls to dead or non-existent > trunks. You will note that every major city has a different NXX ("exchange") used for this purpose. When Bell introduced "900" service, it was originally intended for nationwide "mass calling" (rather than pay-per-call). The NXX (then NNX) part of the "900" number indicated the city where the calls terminated,[1] and was numerically the same as the NXX used for the "choke" exchange in that city. (Hence Boston was 900-931, Montreal was 900-790, and so on.) The only use of this system that I've ever heard of was a live call-in show (on a national radio network) with President Jimmy Carter. -GAWollman [1] Done this way because Mother's billing systems could only handle six digits -- this long predates today's "database dip" system. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 9 17:58:58 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:58:58 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com><18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> <18910.26885.457365.972778@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: WGTR 1060 signed on in November 1972 as a 1 kW daytimer licensed to Natick. Studios were at 24 W Central St in Natick and the Tx was on Kendall Ave in S. Natick. The transmitter was so situated that the station provided a CoL-grade signal to both Natick and Framingham. Several years before the upgrade to high power and full-time operation from the new transmitter site on Sewell Rd in Ashland, which went on the air in the summer of 1981, WGTR started IDing as WGTR Natick-Framingham. Today, that would mean nothing, but I believe that, at the time, it required a modification of the station's license. Once the Ashland Tx went on the air, Framingham was dropped from the ID because I don't think the night signal covered enough of Framingham. My assimption is that, for several years, WGTR was licensed to Natick and Framingham on a hyphenated basis. This is interesting because WGTR did not provide a first aural service to Framingham (WKOX (AM) had been on the air since the late '40s) and probably not a second service either (I think WKOX-FM signed on before 1972). I have no idea what arguments John Garabedian or his lawyers mustered to persuade the FCC to allow the hyphenated CoLs. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dave Tomm" Cc: "B-R-I" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: WEIM changes > < said: > >> In Connecticut, WKSS is licensed to "Hartford-Meriden" and must ID >> as >> such. It says so right on the license in the control room. "WKSS, >> Hartford" would not be legal in this case. There is a story as to >> why >> the COL was applied for and granted this way but it escapes me at >> the >> moment.... > > There was a time, not that long ago, when you had to have your > studio > in the community of license. 95.7, you will recall, is the old > WMMW-FM and was originally a Meriden station. Presumably, at some > point they wanted to move the studios to Hartford, but the > Commission > was being ornery at the time and wouldn't let them discontinue > "service" to Meriden. (Or maybe they had studios in both cities.) > The hyphenated community provided some flexibility. > > -GAWollman > From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 9 19:24:40 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:24:40 -0600 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <18910.26885.457365.972778@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE1A91.5020204@iname.com> <18910.26885.457365.972778@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A4E44131@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>There was a time, not that long ago, when you had to have your studio in the community of license. 95.7, you will recall, is the old WMMW-FM and was originally a Meriden station. Presumably, at some point they wanted to move the studios to Hartford, but the Commission was being ornery at the time and wouldn't let them discontinue "service" to Meriden. (Or maybe they had studios in both cities.) The hyphenated community provided some flexibility.<< Having more than one community listed in the legal ID became more common after the institution (in the mid-1970s, I believe) of the so-called Arizona waiver, which permitted ID'ing more than one COL when stations, particularly rimshots, started building "auxiliary" studios in nearby larger cities. Sometime in the following decade or so the FCC finally recognized that the convoluted fictions necessary to obtaining an Arizona waiver were not justified, and dropped the legal ID requirement to just the COL, with the licensee adding anything they wanted to afterward. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 10 01:54:47 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:54:47 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: References: <49DBC3C8.1000200@fybush.com>, <49DD4B3C.31914.A70CE4@joe.attorneyross.com>, Message-ID: <49DE98D7.28247.5002BA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Apr 2009 at 9:24, Mark Laurence wrote: > > Probably because they want to make a clean break, without whatever > > baggage the old call letters carried in the public mind. > > Radio people often say this, but I see no evidence that it's true: > > WRKO used to be top 40. > WBZ used to be top 40. > WEEI used to be all news. > WBOS used to be country. > WBCN used to be classical. > WAAF used to be beautiful music. > > Their call letters survived dramatic format changes with little > demonstrable effect on the new ratings. True enough. But some of the "radio people" who "say this" are the ones making the decisions. Some stations see no reason to change call letters, others do. And, BTW, WRKO used to be WNAC before it went Top 40. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 10 01:54:47 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:54:47 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>, <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DE98D7.22407.500682@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Apr 2009 at 11:42, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they > want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not part > of the ID. It may be apocryphal, but there was supposedly a station in San Francisco which wanted to identify itself as "WKRP in San Francisco." Of course, there's no way a station in San Francisco was going to get a W-call. So they changed their call letters to KRPN. Their legal ID went "This is W KRPN San Francisco." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 10 01:54:50 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:54:50 -0500 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <18910.31163.689428.425013@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE831A46AA153@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>, <18910.31163.689428.425013@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49DE98DA.304.500F6C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Apr 2009 at 18:42, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The only use of this > system that I've ever heard of was a live call-in show (on a national > radio network) with President Jimmy Carter. It was a nationally televised call-in show with President Carter, hosted by Walter Cronkite. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 10 01:54:45 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:54:45 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <20090409154907.E1FEC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090409154907.E1FEC83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49DE98D5.15090.4FFCDE@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Apr 2009 at 10:49, Bob Nelson wrote: > WORK 107.1 in Barre VT used to name about 6 or 7 other communities > after its legal ID I bet it wasn't Maynard! (Now there's an obscure old reference! Think Dobie GIllis.) -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Apr 10 09:08:53 2009 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:08:53 -0400 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <49DF44E5.7030606@cssinc.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> BZ gave 2 reasons for not going to 931. The main reason was callers >> from outside 617 would almost always get a circuit busy which would >> have played havoc with talk shows [snip] >> > IIRC, the 931 exchange was designed to moderate "contest" & "talk" > traffic by only allowing a small number of calls from each > exchange/area code (don't remember which) giving a busy to the rest of > the callers. It was to avoid clogging up tie lines from one exchange > to another. Typically how many actual "lines" did these stations have in the day? How many today? I've always been curious. When you hear the host say "line 6, you're on the air", are there that many lines or are the first five the bus ofc, fax and modem lines? Brian From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Apr 10 09:54:03 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:54:03 -0600 Subject: ANdrew 8-8000 In-Reply-To: <49DF44E5.7030606@cssinc.com> References: <3ffa0ce20904071005s6c8cce16p79ae300268919df0@mail.gmail.com> <37420DB523D046D89CA3F4A4B448787A@Mark> <49DD0478.3010202@gmail.com> <18909.2253.15854.818912@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DD0B23.1010104@fybush.com> <4fc429770904081926s39674b6cwb855583d8d276f93@mail.gmail.com> <49DD6356.1070505@fybush.com> <4fc429770904090331o5ebc6022g93b4889451fdc81c@mail.gmail.com> <49DDF9D1.30608@ttlc.net> <49DF44E5.7030606@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904100654m6647cd41y18a8c70b17b30282@mail.gmail.com> When I worked at KYYZ 96.1, we'd have daily on air contests, the most common being the "Cash Carousel Spin" and it was up to me what caller number I picked. Out of habit, I usually said, "Caller Number 3 will play the game" or "Caller Number 6 gets to play" We had one studio line, 701 572 3333, and I simply answered the line 3 or how many ever times I needed to. We had no roll over lines and really only one number i nthe studio.. However, if KYYZ had a guest coming on who couldn't make a toll call, we could give them the toll free # to the AM that could be answered in the FM studio. When I worked for a certain AM station just outside Dover, New Hampshire on Knox marsh Road, we actually had two lines if you can believe it.. if you called the main number and it was busy it rolled over to a second, unpublished number. (And ironically, that second unpublished number was used by a seemingly unrelated entity to buy an FM translator i nGloucester, MA) When I was at KNLV-FM, we'd give away gift certificates to a local diner for lunch and Id say "Caller #4 wins now from Regional Radio KNLV". We actually didn't have a studio line, but when I was holding a contest, the main office line, 728-3263 would serve as the contest line. I'd just tell the secretary I was running a contest and she'd let me answer the phones. We had 3 lines, 1 being the main line and 2 being roll-overs. I'd simply answer the 3 lines as many times as it took to get the correct caller. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Brian Vita wrote: > Roger Kirk wrote: > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> BZ gave 2 reasons for not going to 931. The main reason was callers >>> from outside 617 would almost always get a circuit busy which would >>> have played havoc with talk shows [snip] >>> >>> >> IIRC, the 931 exchange was designed to moderate "contest" & "talk" traffic >> by only allowing a small number of calls from each exchange/area code (don't >> remember which) giving a busy to the rest of the callers. It was to avoid >> clogging up tie lines from one exchange to another. >> > Typically how many actual "lines" did these stations have in the day? How > many today? > I've always been curious. When you hear the host say "line 6, you're on > the air", are there that many lines or are the first five the bus ofc, fax > and modem lines? > > Brian > From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 10 10:17:57 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:17:57 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DE98D7.22407.500682@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>, <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE98D7.22407.500682@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49DF5515.5090701@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9 Apr 2009 at 11:42, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Yes, but once the ID is completed, the station can say anything they >> want -- it's just considered part of the regular programming, not part >> of the ID. > > It may be apocryphal, but there was supposedly a station in San > Francisco which wanted to identify itself as "WKRP in San Francisco." > Of course, there's no way a station in San Francisco was going to get > a W-call. So they changed their call letters to KRPN. Their legal > ID went "This is W KRPN San Francisco." I think you're about 800 miles off. The station was in Roy, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City...but the ID was indeed as you describe, "W KRPN Roy Salt Lake City." s From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 10 11:01:21 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:01:21 -0500 Subject: WEIM changes Message-ID: <20090410150121.CF295CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> > > WORK 107.1 in Barre VT used to name about 6 or 7 other communities > > after its legal ID > > I bet it wasn't Maynard! Yup I got the joke--even though I never really watched Dobie Gillis, I've heard the character Bob Denver played would be shocked at the very idea of having to...WORK!! :) (Maynard btw is an uncommon first name but my father, still around at 88 and retired, on Cape Cod, has that. So does jazz artist Maynard Ferguson and former Atlanta mayor (IIRC) Maynard Jackson. From mward@iname.com Fri Apr 10 08:49:01 2009 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: WEIM changes In-Reply-To: <49DE98D7.22407.500682@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20090408220831.68D381CE302@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>, <18910.5986.964264.533109@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <49DE98D7.22407.500682@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49DF403D.3000509@iname.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > It may be apocryphal, but there was supposedly a station in San > Francisco which wanted to identify itself as "WKRP in San Francisco." > Of course, there's no way a station in San Francisco was going to get > a W-call. So they changed their call letters to KRPN. Their legal > ID went "This is W KRPN San Francisco." Salt Lake City, actually... From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Apr 11 01:46:50 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:46:50 -0500 Subject: Interesting test by FOX on Sat Message-ID: <4fc429770904102246l762d3222qbffa7faf7b3fce3f@mail.gmail.com> I do not know if WFXT is involved as of yet but some FOX outlets will be showing all 3 regional MLB games tomorrow by using their DT subchannels. The FOX blackouts of regional games has been frustrating to fans who bought Extra Innings but until now FOX has stated they must protect local ad sales. ABC was doing this for college football last fall but of course most viewers had no idea as cable companies were not picking up the subchannels. Will be interesting to see if this catches on. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 08:36:56 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting test by FOX on Sat In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904102246l762d3222qbffa7faf7b3fce3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770904102246l762d3222qbffa7faf7b3fce3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445018.73233.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As far as I can tell?neither WFXT nor WNAC have set up subchannels for this. Since the Red Sox are on the game both stations are carrying they probably won't bother. If you have the foreign language tier on Comcast you can often see one of the other games on Fox Sports en Espanol. Not many people know about that, either. ________________________________ From: Kevin Vahey To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:46:50 AM Subject: Interesting test by FOX on Sat I do not know if WFXT is involved as of yet but some FOX outlets will be showing all 3 regional MLB games tomorrow by using their DT subchannels. The FOX blackouts of regional games has been frustrating to fans who bought Extra Innings but until now FOX has stated they must protect local ad sales. ABC was doing this for college football last fall but of course most viewers had no idea as cable companies were not picking up the subchannels. Will be interesting to see if this catches on. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 13:48:47 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:48:47 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure Message-ID: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure http://hightalk.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/5-other-reasons-the-boston-globe-faces-closure/ This article has been making it's way around the blogs. There have been a lot of so-called 'experts' who have speculated on why the Globe is in the spot it is, but the truth is that almost every major newspaper is in a bind. But the Globe takes some responsibility for some of theirown mistakes. This guy seems to get it all down on paper. It's a good read, especially this line: "...they began to write specifically for this class of people - mostly white and affluent and living in the Boston suburbs. They became obsessed with real estate, gourmet cooking, home decorating, Harvard University, technology gadgets, travel, restaurants and child care. The content was often maddeningly skewered to this wealthy suburban audience often assuming that every reader faced the same challenges when redesigning a 1,000-square-foot kitchen or throwing a dinner party for 18 after a Tanglewood concert. This was the ultimate betrayal of the Globe's working and blue-collar readers." http://hightalk.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/5-other-reasons-the-boston-globe-faces-closure/ From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Apr 11 14:38:28 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:38:28 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18912.58276.89199.72766@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < quoted some blogger who said: > "[...] This was the ultimate betrayal of the Globe's working > and blue-collar readers." I thought the "working and blue-collar" types read the Herald.... -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 15:00:01 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: <18912.58276.89199.72766@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: From: "Garrett Wollman" >> "[...] This was the ultimate betrayal of the Globe's working >> and blue-collar readers." > > I thought the "working and blue-collar" types read the Herald... They do now... But that wasn't always the case. The Globe at one time had a large Irish Catholic working class consituancy. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sat Apr 11 16:03:05 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:03:05 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: <18912.58276.89199.72766@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: My understanding is that the Globe, during a large part of the twentieth century, had a large Democrat Irish Catholic readership, and the Herald represented the Republican Protestant Yankees (a tradition it in part inherited from the old Transcript, though it was a much wider constituency than the Transcript's predominantly Brahmin readership). This was certainly true when I was a kid; Democrats I knew bought the Globe and Republicans favored the Herald. The Hearst papers and the Post stood for working-class populism and were usually identified with the Democratic Party, but were actually independent. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure > > From: "Garrett Wollman" > >>> "[...] This was the ultimate betrayal of the Globe's working >>> and blue-collar readers." >> >> I thought the "working and blue-collar" types read the Herald... > > > They do now... But that wasn't always the case. The Globe at one time > had a large Irish Catholic working class consituancy. > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Apr 11 16:10:25 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:10:25 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: <18912.58276.89199.72766@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: The Globe lost support from many in the working class during the fight over busing. From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Apr 11 15:13:39 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:39 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: <18912.58276.89199.72766@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3260883692580974791195933865872251522-Webmail@me.com> On Saturday, April 11, 2009, at 03:00PM, "Don A" wrote: > >From: "Garrett Wollman" > >>> "[...] This was the ultimate betrayal of the Globe's working >>> and blue-collar readers." >> >> I thought the "working and blue-collar" types read the Herald... > > >They do now... But that wasn't always the case. The Globe at one time had >a large Irish Catholic working class consituancy. The people I see on the T now largely read the Metro or play with their cellphones. I see very few Heralds and Globes on the subway. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Apr 12 01:57:10 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:57:10 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <49E14A76.24733.5EF6E5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 11 Apr 2009 at 16:03, Doug Drown wrote: > My understanding is that the Globe, during a large part of the > twentieth century, had a large Democrat Irish Catholic readership, and > the Herald represented the Republican Protestant Yankees (a tradition > it in part inherited from the old Transcript, though it was a much > wider constituency than the Transcript's predominantly Brahmin > readership). This was certainly true when I was a kid; Democrats I > knew bought the Globe and Republicans favored the Herald. > > The Hearst papers and the Post stood for working-class populism and > were usually identified with the Democratic Party, but were actually > independent. > > Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. -Doug The big problem in your argument is that the Herald that was traditionally the voice of the Republican Protestant Yankees went out of business in 1972, after it lost the license for channel 5. It sold its name and physical plant to Hearst's Record American, which had been a tabloid and became a broadsheet (The "Herald Traveler Record American") for several years. Eventually it returned to its tabloid roots and shortened the name to the Herald American. That was the paper that Rupurt Murdoch bought circa 1982 and re-named the Herald. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 08:50:16 2009 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (martinjwaters@yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure Message-ID: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Don A wrote: > 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe > Faces Closure > This article has been making it's way around the > blogs. ? ? All the talk that the Globe is in danger because it's too liberal, etc., etc., is rubbish, usually put forth by people who have an axe to grind and/or know nothing about the newspaper business. There's no evidence of it. Don't bother looking for any, because you can't find what doesn't exist. ? ???The Globe's circulation decline tracks what's going on with other major metro dailies. When you add the print circulation to visitors to boston.com, the decline is less than in many markets. Boston.com is one of the most widely used and successful newspaper web sites. But, like the newspaper industry as a whole, the advertising there doesn't produce any substantial revenue within the company's overall picture. ? ???Now the bottom has fallen out of print advertising, same as all across the newspaper industry. That's the biggest problem for the industry right now -- not declining circulation. Classified ads, traditionally the biggest source of ad revenue, are nearly extinct. And advertising traditionally provided about 75 percent of a newspaper's revenue. ? ???Each paper has its particular situation, and the Globe has the misfortune of being owned by the NYT Company, which faces its own impending financial nightmare and is trying to save itself anyway it can (How about imagining the NYT closing?). The NYT paid way, way, way too much for the Globe and hasn't, so far, been willing to take a loss and sell it. ? ? ? The Globe also is handicapped by operating in one of the slowest-growth (in population) regions in the country. A newspaper in Phoenix or Tampa or Las Vegas has seen population growth of 20 or 30 percent since 2000. Here, it's, what, 2, 3, 4 percent? ? ? Another particularity of the Globe is that it's expensive to put out one of the world's best newspapers and they've been too slow to make the drastic cutbacks that are being made all across the newspaper industry. If you think the Globe has thinned down and dramatically decreased in quality, you ain't seen nothing yet. But that's true everywhere. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 11:13:43 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:13:43 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D2CDEAEA767409E87F5F650E46BC402@MainXPPro> > All the talk that the Globe is in danger because it's too liberal, etc., > etc., is rubbish, usually put forth by people who have an axe to grind > and/or know nothing > about the newspaper business. There's no evidence of it. Don't bother > looking for any, because you can't find what doesn't exist. Did you read the article? While there are things affecting all metro dailies....the Globe has some unique issues that it needs to accept responsibility for. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Apr 12 13:09:19 2009 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:09:19 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <9D2CDEAEA767409E87F5F650E46BC402@MainXPPro> References: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D2CDEAEA767409E87F5F650E46BC402@MainXPPro> Message-ID: At 11:13 AM -0400 4/12/09, Don A wrote: > >While there are things affecting all metro dailies....the Globe has >some unique issues that it needs to accept responsibility for. I'm sure they lost a bit of Sunday circulation here in NH when they discontinued the NH Weekly a few years ago. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Apr 12 19:24:58 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:24:58 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: , <49E14A76.24733.5EF6E5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Yes, I'm aware of that. (In fact, I have a copy of the first issue of the Herald Traveler Record American [no wonder they later shortened the name!]). What was the Herald became a much different newspaper under Hearst and Murdoch. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:57 AM Subject: Re: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure > On 11 Apr 2009 at 16:03, Doug Drown wrote: > >> My understanding is that the Globe, during a large part of the >> twentieth century, had a large Democrat Irish Catholic readership, and >> the Herald represented the Republican Protestant Yankees (a tradition >> it in part inherited from the old Transcript, though it was a much >> wider constituency than the Transcript's predominantly Brahmin >> readership). This was certainly true when I was a kid; Democrats I >> knew bought the Globe and Republicans favored the Herald. >> >> The Hearst papers and the Post stood for working-class populism and >> were usually identified with the Democratic Party, but were actually >> independent. >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. -Doug > > The big problem in your argument is that the Herald that was > traditionally the voice of the Republican Protestant Yankees went out > of business in 1972, after it lost the license for channel 5. It > sold its name and physical plant to Hearst's Record American, which > had been a tabloid and became a broadsheet (The "Herald Traveler > Record American") for several years. Eventually it returned to its > tabloid roots and shortened the name to the Herald American. That > was the paper that Rupurt Murdoch bought circa 1982 and re-named the > Herald. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Sun Apr 12 19:30:03 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:30:03 -0400 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers Message-ID: A question that popped into my mind while traveling today: Who were the principal booth announcers for Channels 4, 5 and 7 during the '50s and '60s? I'm thinking that Dick Tucker and Art Amadon did announcing for Channel 4 and that Frank Avruch did some for 5 (though I may be altogether wrong on all counts --- I was a kid back then). I have no idea who did Channel 7, though I remember the voice. Then there was the distinctive Brahmin twang of William Pearce on Channel 2, who was actually from Maine. -Doug From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Apr 12 19:52:33 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:52:33 -0500 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com> Leif Jensen was the primary WNAC booth person and Ed Miller also did booth duty. At Channel 5 Ken Stahl also did the booth On 4/12/09, Doug Drown wrote: > A question that popped into my mind while traveling today: Who were the > principal booth announcers for Channels 4, 5 and 7 during the '50s and '60s? > I'm thinking that Dick Tucker and Art Amadon did announcing for Channel 4 > and that Frank Avruch did some for 5 (though I may be altogether wrong on > all counts --- I was a kid back then). I have no idea who did Channel 7, > though I remember the voice. > > Then there was the distinctive Brahmin twang of William Pearce on Channel 2, > who was actually from Maine. > > -Doug > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 20:00:31 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:00:31 -0400 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers References: Message-ID: >> I have no idea who did Channel 7, though I remember the voice. Leif Jensen was the booming voice of: W-N-A-C-T-V---Boston - 7 for many years. Like you, I can hear his voice in my head. His son Greg Jensen is a news anchor at WBZ Radio. http://www.wbz.com/pages/2521.php?contentType=4&contentId=93099 Leif Jensen is still around...though slowed down an awful lot and in his 80's. From ecps92@earthlink.net Sun Apr 12 20:07:52 2009 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:07:52 -0400 Subject: NESN Plus on Comcast Message-ID: Seems Comcast forgot to tell folks ONE little Important peice of information for the Bruins Games where they conflict with the Red Sox this Play Off Season. You will only get NESN Plus if you have the Digital Package ! Not Analog. :( Bill Dunn N1KUG Cruise Ship Frequencies http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak info at http://www.scannewengland.net/index.php?pageid=nesflogon From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Apr 12 21:44:35 2009 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:44:35 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D2CDEAEA767409E87F5F650E46BC402@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <49e2991b.e203be0a.5382.7927@mx.google.com> At 01:09 PM 4/12/2009, Larry Weil wrote: >I'm sure they lost a bit of Sunday circulation here in NH when they >discontinued the NH Weekly a few years ago. Agreed on that. There was better (& more) coverage of N.H. news in that than there was/is in the N.H. Sunday News. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 13 01:22:34 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:22:34 -0500 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <852720.7884.qm@web39103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E285CA.17255.57B195@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Apr 2009 at 5:50, martinjwaters@yahoo.com wrote: > ? ???The Globe's circulation decline tracks what's going on with other > major metro dailies. When you add the print circulation to visitors to > boston.com, the decline is less than in many markets. Boston.com is > one of the most widely used and successful newspaper web sites. But, > like the newspaper industry as a whole, the advertising there doesn't > produce any substantial revenue within the company's overall picture. I'm not sure why newspaper Websites exist if they don't produce advertizing revenue. It would seem to me that what the Website does is give away for free what the paper is selling. I know there are some newspapers (The Daily Hampshire Gazette in Northampton and the Recorder in Greenfield come to mind) which charge for a subscription to access most of the news on their Websites. I understand that not many people are willing to pay for that sort of Web content, but at least they aren't undercutting their product. > ? ???Now the bottom has fallen out of print advertising, same as all > across the newspaper industry. That's the biggest problem for the > industry right now -- not declining circulation. Classified ads, > traditionally the biggest source of ad revenue, are nearly extinct. > And advertising traditionally provided about 75 percent of a > newspaper's revenue. Maybe newspapers ought to try to figure out some sort of Web advertising model along the lines of Craigs List to help stay afloat. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 13 01:22:35 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:22:35 -0500 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <49E285CB.19113.57B399@joe.attorneyross.com> On 12 Apr 2009 at 19:24, Doug Drown wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that. (In fact, I have a copy of the first issue of > the Herald Traveler Record American [no wonder they later shortened > the name!]). What was the Herald became a much different newspaper > under Hearst and Murdoch. -Doug No you still don't get it. What was the Herald DIED in 1972. Joined the Boston Transcript, the Boston Post, and the New York Herald- Tribune, World Telegram, Journal-American, and Daily Mirror in that Great Newsroom in the Sky. What was the Record American continues to use the Herald name but is NOT a continuation of the old Herald. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 08:31:34 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <49E285CA.17255.57B195@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <170253.80732.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 4/13/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Maybe newspapers ought to try to figure out some sort of > Web > advertising model along the lines of Craigs List to help > stay afloat. But there is no advertising on Craigslist, and you only have to pay for ads on CL if you're in a very narrow subset (i.e. trying to fill a job in a large metropolitan area and using their site). IIRC, the parent organization is a non-profit. From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Apr 13 09:41:56 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:41:56 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: , <49E285CB.19113.57B399@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <3EE92AA7B0974A26B9AF5A060D5DB5AB@DougDrown> No, I guess I don't get it. The present-day Herald, however far-removed journalistically and (as it were) genealogically from the old Herald, isn't in any way its legal successor? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "BRI+" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:22 AM Subject: Re: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure > On 12 Apr 2009 at 19:24, Doug Drown wrote: > >> Yes, I'm aware of that. (In fact, I have a copy of the first issue of >> the Herald Traveler Record American [no wonder they later shortened >> the name!]). What was the Herald became a much different newspaper >> under Hearst and Murdoch. -Doug > > No you still don't get it. What was the Herald DIED in 1972. Joined > the Boston Transcript, the Boston Post, and the New York Herald- > Tribune, World Telegram, Journal-American, and Daily Mirror in that > Great Newsroom in the Sky. What was the Record American continues to > use the Herald name but is NOT a continuation of the old Herald. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Mon Apr 13 10:32:54 2009 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:32:54 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <170253.80732.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <49E285CA.17255.57B195@joe.attorneyross.com> <170253.80732.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <90ec04420904130732l63e30549t6344a5f94515cae4@mail.gmail.com> IIRC, Craig's List has all of 5 employees nationwide On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > On Mon, 4/13/09, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > Maybe newspapers ought to try to figure out some sort of > > Web > > advertising model along the lines of Craigs List to help > > stay afloat. > > But there is no advertising on Craigslist, and you only have to pay for ads > on CL if you're in a very narrow subset (i.e. trying to fill a job in a > large metropolitan area and using their site). IIRC, the parent organization > is a non-profit. > > > From linc45r-n@lincster.com Sun Apr 12 23:46:28 2009 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (linc45r-n@lincster.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:46:28 -0700 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers References: Message-ID: <5F9F7DC785A54F729BD9B8FD5BC0F2D8@editor> At WBZ, Lindy (Linwood) Miller and Jack Borden were Booth announcers, and toward the end Chuck Austin as well..Linc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Boston TV booth announcers A question that popped into my mind while traveling today: Who were the principal booth announcers for Channels 4, 5 and 7 during the '50s and '60s? I'm thinking that Dick Tucker and Art Amadon did announcing for Channel 4 and that Frank Avruch did some for 5 (though I may be altogether wrong on all counts --- I was a kid back then). I have no idea who did Channel 7, though I remember the voice. Then there was the distinctive Brahmin twang of William Pearce on Channel 2, who was actually from Maine. -Doug From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Apr 13 11:18:04 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:18:04 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <90ec04420904130732l63e30549t6344a5f94515cae4@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E285CA.17255.57B195@joe.attorneyross.com> <170253.80732.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <90ec04420904130732l63e30549t6344a5f94515cae4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18915.22444.863383.934779@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > IIRC, Craig's List has all of 5 employees nationwide According to Wikipedia, Craigslist has 28 employees and is a private, for-profit venture, although the principals have publicly stated that their primary goal is not to maximize profit (which has caused trouble with minority shareholder eBay). They charge for job ads in certain cities (including Boston) and apartment-broker ads in New York. No wonder it's so difficult for newspapers to compete against them! -GAWollman From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Mon Apr 13 11:38:28 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:38:28 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure References: <49E285CA.17255.57B195@joe.attorneyross.com><170253.80732.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><90ec04420904130732l63e30549t6344a5f94515cae4@mail.gmail.com> <18915.22444.863383.934779@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <40C295B4DFE04F7399C180FCD6702F5C@DougDrown> One could legitimately make the charge that many of the ads in Craigslist aren't very reliable, but I suppose one could say the same about a good many newspaper classifieds. I'm sure the competition is intense. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Ron Bello" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure > < > said: > >> IIRC, Craig's List has all of 5 employees nationwide > > According to Wikipedia, Craigslist has 28 employees and is a private, > for-profit venture, although the principals have publicly stated that > their primary goal is not to maximize profit (which has caused trouble > with minority shareholder eBay). They charge for job ads in certain > cities (including Boston) and apartment-broker ads in New York. > > No wonder it's so difficult for newspapers to compete against them! > > -GAWollman > From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 13 17:27:03 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:27:03 -0500 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure In-Reply-To: <3EE92AA7B0974A26B9AF5A060D5DB5AB@DougDrown> References: , <3EE92AA7B0974A26B9AF5A060D5DB5AB@DougDrown> Message-ID: <49E367D7.1986.744DED@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Apr 2009 Doug Drown wrote: > No, I guess I don't get it. The present-day Herald, however > far-removed journalistically and (as it were) genealogically from the > old Herald, isn't in any way its legal successor? -Doug Exactly. The Record American bought the physical plant and the name, and perhaps some contracts for comic strips and syndicated columns. The Herald-Traveler Corporation changed its name to WHDH, Inc. and continued as operator of WHDH and WHDH-FM. I don't know whether assumption of some of the Herald Traveler's debt was part of the sale price, but the Herald Traveler Record American was the continuation of the Record American. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From marklaurence@mac.com Mon Apr 13 16:44:14 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:44:14 -0400 Subject: 5 Other Reasons the Boston Globe Faces Closure Message-ID: <150507725932444034455330889631684115810-Webmail@me.com> On Monday, April 13, 2009, at 05:27PM, "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: >On 13 Apr 2009 Doug Drown wrote: > >The Record American bought the physical plant and the name, >and perhaps some contracts for comic strips and syndicated columns. >The Herald-Traveler Corporation changed its name to WHDH, Inc. and >continued as operator of WHDH and WHDH-FM. I don't know whether >assumption of some of the Herald Traveler's debt was part of the sale >price, but the Herald Traveler Record American was the continuation >of the Record American. But it was easy as a casual observer to think it was the other way around. The merged paper looked much more like the Herald than the Record, from its broadsheet size to the headline typeface. I could never under- stand why Hearst turned its tabloid, the long-time #1 circulation paper, into the loser #3 paper after the buyout. They must have thought they'd really give the Globe a run for the suburban circulation and advertising, but instead they nearly drove themselves into the ground until in desperation they turned back into a tabloid. From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 17:53:37 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:53:37 -0400 Subject: Former WCAP Personality Gordon Hamilton Has Passed Away Message-ID: <26FA851F587C4C76837C2A4794C936F5@Mark> Gordon Hamilton, morning host at WCAP from the mid- 50's thru 1963, passed away over the weekend at the age of 84. He appeared at WCAP's 55th anniversary broadcast in June 2006, which was the first and only time I met him. Obituary from the Lowell Sun: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/lowellsun/obituary.aspx?n=gordon-hamilton&pid=126151901 Mark Watson Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 18:00:05 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:00:05 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Message-ID: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> Philadelphia Phillies broadcaster Harry Kalas died this afternoon in Washington DC at the age of 73. He was found passed out in the broadcast booth around 12:30 and was rushed to an area hospital. Besides his baseball work, Kalas also did voice work for NFL Films, and was the voice of Campbell's Chunky Soup commercials AP story from the Lowell Sun website: http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_12133111 Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 18:04:30 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:04:30 -0600 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> I heard this as soon as Fox Sports Radio announced it at like 2:30pm eastern today... sad to hear. Even though I'm not a sports fan, I know who the man is and what a legend he is. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Philadelphia Phillies broadcaster Harry Kalas died this afternoon in > Washington DC at the age of 73. He was found passed out in the broadcast > booth around 12:30 and was rushed to an area hospital. Besides his baseball > work, Kalas also did voice work for NFL Films, and was the voice of > Campbell's Chunky Soup commercials > > AP story from the Lowell Sun website: > > http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_12133111 > > Mark Watson > > > > From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 18:07:12 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:07:12 -0400 Subject: Longtime WKXL Concord NH Personality Gordon Hill Has Passed Message-ID: <9145BE1116BF48C489DD55889FBAA011@Mark> Just received word from someone in NH that former WKXL (1450 Concord NH) personality Gardner Hill as passed away. Hill was with WKXL for 40 years. IIRC when Hill was let go from the station several years ago they received so many complaints from listeners that they brought him back on board part time to host a talk show. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 18:14:43 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:14:43 -0400 Subject: Longtime WKXL Concord NH Personality Gardner Hill Has Passed References: <9145BE1116BF48C489DD55889FBAA011@Mark> Message-ID: <799982B0C98A4C11ACDB074684B58B86@Mark> Just to correct the subject line of the initial post, it should have read Gardner Hill, not Gordon. My apologies for the error. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 18:35:47 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:35:47 -0400 Subject: Jay Leno's 10 PM Show Will Air On WHDH Message-ID: <4335D42F7EFB489680B1372195719118@Mark> The Boston Globe reports WHDH has decided to air Jay Leno's new 10PM show this Fall. Station owner Ed Ansin said in a statement that he enjoy's Jay's humor and hope the new show is a success. Link to the Globe article: http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/04/channel_7_well.html Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Apr 13 20:01:44 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:01:44 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> Great pipes. He was born to voice NFL films. Sad, but not a bad way to go for someone who loved the game. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 21:09:21 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:09:21 -0400 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E3E241.1010305@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Leif Jensen was the primary WNAC booth person and Ed Miller also did booth duty. > > At Channel 5 Ken Stahl also did the booth How about Len Thomas on WBZ-TV. He was also a jock on the AM side. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 21:12:15 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:12:15 -0400 Subject: Former WCAP Personality Gordon Hamilton Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <26FA851F587C4C76837C2A4794C936F5@Mark> References: <26FA851F587C4C76837C2A4794C936F5@Mark> Message-ID: <49E3E2EF.2060104@gmail.com> Mark Watson wrote: > Gordon Hamilton, morning host at WCAP from the mid- 50's thru 1963, > passed away over the weekend at the age of 84. He appeared at WCAP's > 55th anniversary broadcast in June 2006, which was the first and only > time I met him. > > Obituary from the Lowell Sun: > > http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/lowellsun/obituary.aspx?n=gordon-hamilton&pid=126151901 > > > Mark Watson Thanks for the news Mark. I shared in the good fortune of meeting Gordon that night at the 55th big broadcast. What I admired the most was how despite the decades that had passed, Hamilton maintained his zeal for keeping the history straight and not to smooth over the rough edges that so often happens over time. He was a great guy to interview that day. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 21:18:18 2009 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:18:18 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > Great pipes. He was born to voice NFL films. > > Sad, but not a bad way to go for someone who loved the game. Dan, you hit that one out of the park . My wife dropped her glass when we saw the news of the gentleman's passing and I exclaimed, "Man, what a GREAT DEATH!" And I meant it. If the story is true that he was in the booth prepping for the game, wow. A tip-o-the-cans. # 30 # May we all go out doing what we love. Hey, it sure beats adult diapers, oatmeal on the chin, while singing the alphabet song to a wonderful Haitian speaking aide who deserves a medal. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Apr 13 21:23:40 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:23:40 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> WYNZ's Bob Anderson died in the studio a few years ago. Bob's death was sad and shocking because he was not yet 60 and appeared to be in good health. But the location of his death seemed appropriate for a guy that spent so much time entertaining people over the radio. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Mon Apr 13 21:29:34 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:29:34 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Remember WITS and "Clif and Claf" (Clif Keane, Larry Claffin)? Claffin died of a massive heart attack just before a Sox game one Sunday. From wollman@bostonradio.org Mon Apr 13 22:00:00 2009 From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Moderator announcement Message-ID: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any list traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April 23. I'd also like to announce that I've posted an early draft of the Archives' new history of Providence broadcasting at . Anyone with knowledge of the subject is welcome to send corrections to me privately. -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 13 22:28:14 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:28:14 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> <9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <9CDEC95B-9246-46F0-A4FE-DF90A673F3B0@charter.net> I briefly worked with Jack Spector in Connecticut in the early 90's. He was one of the Good Guys at WMCA/New York in the 60's. A few weeks after he left the station we were at, he died on the air at WHLI/ Garden City NY. He had a heart attack behind the board. -Dave Tomm On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > WYNZ's Bob Anderson died in the studio a few years ago. Bob's death > was sad and shocking because he was not yet 60 and appeared to be in > good health. But the location of his death seemed appropriate for a > guy that spent so much time entertaining people over the radio. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 14 02:14:17 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:14:17 -0500 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49E3E369.24378.6915CB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Apr 2009 at 22:00, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any list > traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April 23. So have a good one and see lots of towers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 14 03:32:46 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:32:46 -0500 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Message-ID: <20090414073246.9CA9CCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Tonight on the Red Sox radio network, Joe Castiglione mentioned that his son Duke asked Kalas to do an answering machine outgoing message for him. "Sure," Kalas said; "do you want my baseball voice or my football voice?" Duke Castiglione said, "Football." So Kalas recorded a message saying, "Duke is not here right now; he's in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field awaiting the arrival of the Green Bay Packers..." in that famed NFL Films voice... If it hasn't been mentioned yet, Kalas didn't get to do World Series play by play in 1980 because the regional networks of teams were shut out in favor of national networks. But last year he was able to call the World Series on the Phillies Radio network, and was able to call their victory, etc. I work nights and have to use an FM re-transmitter to pick up whatever AM signals are carrying the Series; I found I had trouble with WAMG 890/WLLH 1400, WEPN 1050 (sometimes pre-empted Series for hockey?), or WPOP 1410; but WPHT 1210, Philly's "Big Talker" came in well, so I heard the Kalas broadcasts of the '08 WS. From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Tue Apr 14 08:14:29 2009 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:14:29 EDT Subject: Boston TV booth announcers Message-ID: In a message dated 4/13/2009 11:23:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@tsornin.BostonRadio.org writes: >>Leif Jensen is still around...though slowed down an awful lot and in his 80's.<< See that "smoking will kill you" everyone tells us about is just a myth. When I used to cut carts with him in the 70's, the announce booth always looked like there was a heavy fog rolling in. I think it was the smokes that gave his voice that quality. Mike **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 08:22:01 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:22:01 -0600 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark> <8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com> <31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC> <49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> <9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904140522p23ba6430v3ec7ffd3fe9a6691@mail.gmail.com> Wasn't he the one who was doing a Saturday show live, when it's normally voicetracked... fellow co-workers heard the silent sensor for his studio go off and rushed down the hallway? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > WYNZ's Bob Anderson died in the studio a few years ago. Bob's death was > sad and shocking because he was not yet 60 and appeared to be in good > health. But the location of his death seemed appropriate for a guy that > spent so much time entertaining people over the radio. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 14 09:29:52 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:29:52 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark><8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com><31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC><49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CC8739F91B749D398A684101D1DBC08@SatU205S5044> Clafflin no? (note the l after the double f) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moisan" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RE: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Remember WITS and "Clif and Claf" (Clif Keane, Larry Claffin)? Claffin died of a massive heart attack just before a Sox game one Sunday. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 08:15:31 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:15:31 -0600 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904140515n34478221qb02e502e3c5de5a2@mail.gmail.com> Why not appoint an interim moderator so list traffic isn't held up for nine days? That could really throw things outta wack and kill conversation. Paul Walker On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any list > traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April 23. > > I'd also like to announce that I've posted an early draft of the > Archives' new history of Providence broadcasting at > . Anyone with knowledge > of the subject is welcome to send corrections to me privately. > > -GAWollman > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 11:02:47 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:02:47 -0600 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80904140515n34478221qb02e502e3c5de5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.com> I agree with you Dan, it'd be hard to find someone to fill the temporary position, but I'd rather have someone then no one at all. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Who would he appoint? Moderator may seem like an easy job but it is > not! Requires somebody who can devote the necessary time, who is > even-handed, who can mostly restrain him- or herself from pulling the > trigger, but who who knows when and how to pull the trigger if it > becomes necessary. I think the peas porridge (nine days old) approach > is the best choice. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> > To: "Garrett Wollman" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: Moderator announcement > > > > Why not appoint an interim moderator so list traffic isn't held up >> for nine >> days? That could really throw things outta wack and kill >> conversation. >> >> Paul Walker >> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Garrett Wollman >> wrote: >> >> Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any >>> list >>> traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April >>> 23. >>> >>> I'd also like to announce that I've posted an early draft of the >>> Archives' new history of Providence broadcasting at >>> . Anyone with >>> knowledge >>> of the subject is welcome to send corrections to me privately. >>> >>> -GAWollman >>> >>> >>> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 14 10:59:07 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:59:07 -0400 Subject: Moderator announcement References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80904140515n34478221qb02e502e3c5de5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Who would he appoint? Moderator may seem like an easy job but it is not! Requires somebody who can devote the necessary time, who is even-handed, who can mostly restrain him- or herself from pulling the trigger, but who who knows when and how to pull the trigger if it becomes necessary. I think the peas porridge (nine days old) approach is the best choice. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Moderator announcement > Why not appoint an interim moderator so list traffic isn't held up > for nine > days? That could really throw things outta wack and kill > conversation. > > Paul Walker > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Garrett Wollman > wrote: > >> Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any >> list >> traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April >> 23. >> >> I'd also like to announce that I've posted an early draft of the >> Archives' new history of Providence broadcasting at >> . Anyone with >> knowledge >> of the subject is welcome to send corrections to me privately. >> >> -GAWollman >> >> From jmaihos@comcast.net Tue Apr 14 11:45:05 2009 From: jmaihos@comcast.net (John Maihos) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:45:05 -0400 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.co m> References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80904140515n34478221qb02e502e3c5de5a2@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904141545.n3EFjHgp085126@tsornin.bostonradio.org> It is possible that only newer members are moderated, so most messages will probably slide right through. The majority of people who post on this list are pretty established and don't seem to break the rules. Of course, we sometimes get off topic. ;) At 11:02 AM 4/14/2009, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >I agree with you Dan, it'd be hard to find someone to fill the temporary >position, but I'd rather have someone then no one at all. > >Paul Walker >www.onairdj.com > > >On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > > Who would he appoint? Moderator may seem like an easy job but it is > > not! Requires somebody who can devote the necessary time, who is > > even-handed, who can mostly restrain him- or herself from pulling the > > trigger, but who who knows when and how to pull the trigger if it > > becomes necessary. I think the peas porridge (nine days old) approach > > is the best choice. > > > > ----- > > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." < > > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> > > To: "Garrett Wollman" > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Moderator announcement > > > > > > > > Why not appoint an interim moderator so list traffic isn't held up > >> for nine > >> days? That could really throw things outta wack and kill > >> conversation. > >> > >> Paul Walker > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Garrett Wollman > >> wrote: > >> > >> Your moderator is going on vacation for the next nine days. Any > >>> list > >>> traffic that requires moderator approval may be held until April > >>> 23. > >>> > >>> I'd also like to announce that I've posted an early draft of the > >>> Archives' new history of Providence broadcasting at > >>> . Anyone with > >>> knowledge > >>> of the subject is welcome to send corrections to me privately. > >>> > >>> -GAWollman > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -John J. Maihos 27 Pearl St., Beverly, MA 01915 978-922-6311 (home) 978-804-7143 (cell) From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 14 12:06:41 2009 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:06:41 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away References: <20090414073246.9CA9CCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001601c9bd1b$00de38e0$4f814c0c@oemcomputer> Didn't John Facenda, the original voice of NFL Films, intone the "frozen tundra" phrase, not Kalas? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Dan Billings ; Paul B. Walker, Jr. ; Mark Watson Cc: Boston Radio Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Tonight on the Red Sox radio network, Joe Castiglione mentioned that his son Duke asked Kalas to do an answering machine outgoing message for him. "Sure," Kalas said; "do you want my baseball voice or my football voice?" Duke Castiglione said, "Football." So Kalas recorded a message saying, "Duke is not here right now; he's in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field awaiting the arrival of the Green Bay Packers..." in that famed NFL Films voice... From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Tue Apr 14 12:15:46 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:15:46 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: <3CC8739F91B749D398A684101D1DBC08@SatU205S5044> References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark><8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com><31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC><49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com> <3CC8739F91B749D398A684101D1DBC08@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: Could be. It's been a few years, over 25 in fact. -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:30 AM To: David Moisan; Boston Radio Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Clafflin no? (note the l after the double f) From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Apr 14 12:32:52 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:32:52 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Message-ID: <128172840164256717808816422271114571423-Webmail@me.com> On Tuesday, April 14, 2009, at 12:15PM, "David Moisan" wrote: >Could be. It's been a few years, over 25 in fact. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:30 AM >To: David Moisan; Boston Radio >Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away > >Clafflin no? (note the l after the double f) Larry Claflin with one f followed by one l. He was one of the first Boston newspaper columnists I ever noticed as a memorable personality, writing sports columns for the Record American. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 14 12:45:58 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:45:58 -0500 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away Message-ID: <20090414164558.F01D4CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Maybe the orig voice of NFL films did use the frozen tundra phrase and Kalas carried it on.... From dwcole@comcast.net Tue Apr 14 13:22:39 2009 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:22:39 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark><8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com><31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC><49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com><9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC> <8bce0fe80904140522p23ba6430v3ec7ffd3fe9a6691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It was because of the first Iraq war. Bob was there in case anything broke, as were most of the morning hosts in the building. I only knew him for the short time he worked at 420 Western Ave, but he was a kind, decent man...and one who is still missed. He had a lot of friends, judging by the turnout at the services. Dan Cole WGAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Dan Billings" Cc: "Boston Radio" ; "Bill O'Neill" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away > Wasn't he the one who was doing a Saturday show live, when it's normally > voicetracked... fellow co-workers heard the silent sensor for his studio > go > off and rushed down the hallway? > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Dan Billings > wrote: > >> WYNZ's Bob Anderson died in the studio a few years ago. Bob's death was >> sad and shocking because he was not yet 60 and appeared to be in good >> health. But the location of his death seemed appropriate for a guy that >> spent so much time entertaining people over the radio. >> From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 14 15:58:01 2009 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0500 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.com> References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, , <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E4A479.353.208764@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 14 Apr 2009 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I agree with you Dan, it'd be hard to find someone to fill the > temporary position, but I'd rather have someone then no one at all. Come on, Garrett's been on vacation before, and the list hasn't really suffered. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 09:51:44 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:51:44 -0600 Subject: W243CD 96.5 Gloucester, MA Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904140651k774ab63am854ed966799bd1d@mail.gmail.com> >From fybush.com's NERW: Owner Central Broadcasting Company has just applied to buy translator W243CD (96.5 Gloucester) from Radio Assist Ministry for $45,000 after an earlier sale of the license failed to close over the winer, and there's a newly-filed application to move the translator down the dial to 95.9. Will the next step be a series of hops to move that translator west into the Fitchburg market? *Paul's Note: As Fybush's column suggest, we'll soon see a relay of WEIM on 95.9, which is good! I have a friend down in Arkansas who has two FM translators for his NW Arkansas AM signal*,* and one of them came in from Oklahoma and had to be moved in 2 or 3 hops, all the while rebroadcasting an unrelated FM statioon just to keep the translator alive. Oh, and I'm not surprised the earlier sale of the license failed to close over the winter. I wonder what kinda comment we'll get if we dial 603 742-3333 , which I think was the number on the application. You'll end up calling another radio station along the NH Seacoast, that's all I know. -- * Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 14 17:59:54 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:59:54 -0400 Subject: Moderator announcement In-Reply-To: <49E4A479.353.208764@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <18915.60960.87409.26689@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, , <8bce0fe80904140802o7adb06c7i92f86ee6a3d0ae42@mail.gmail.com> <49E4A479.353.208764@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <49E5075A.7070507@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 14 Apr 2009 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > >> I agree with you Dan, it'd be hard to find someone to fill the >> temporary position, but I'd rather have someone then no one at all. > > Come on, Garrett's been on vacation before, and the list hasn't > really suffered. And since he's traveling with me (or I with him), and I'm checking e-mail several times a day, if something does blow up, I'll tell him and he'll...um...do something or other about it. As several have noted, most traffic to the list sails through without manual intervention, so the absence of the moderator shouldn't be a major crisis. s (at the Phoenix airport rental car center, waiting for Garrett to get in...) From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Apr 14 18:33:28 2009 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:33:28 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away In-Reply-To: References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark><8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com><31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC><49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com><9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC><8bce0fe80904140522p23ba6430v3ec7ffd3fe9a6691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob worked with everyone in Portland radio over his career and I don't know anyone who did not like him. There are not many radio people I could say that about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan C" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away > It was because of the first Iraq war. Bob was there in case anything > broke, as were most of the morning hosts in the building. I only knew him > for the short time he worked at 420 Western Ave, but he was a kind, decent > man...and one who is still missed. He had a lot of friends, judging by > the turnout at the services. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 14 20:39:26 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:39:26 -0400 Subject: W243CD 96.5 Gloucester, MA References: <8bce0fe80904140651k774ab63am854ed966799bd1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There may be a new FM signal in Fitchburg soon, I guess, but I scarcely think it will be on 95.9--not with WSRS on a first-adjacent channel and a mere handful of miles away. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "bri" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: W243CD 96.5 Gloucester, MA > >From fybush.com's NERW: > > Owner Central Broadcasting Company has just applied to buy > translator W243CD > (96.5 Gloucester) from Radio Assist Ministry for $45,000 after an > earlier > sale of the license failed to close over the winer, and there's a > newly-filed application to move the translator down the dial to > 95.9. Will > the next step be a series of hops to move that translator west into > the > Fitchburg market? > > *Paul's Note: As Fybush's column suggest, we'll soon see a relay of > WEIM on > 95.9, which is good! I have a friend down in Arkansas who has two FM > translators for his NW Arkansas AM signal*,* and one of them came in > from > Oklahoma and had to be moved in 2 or 3 hops, all the while > rebroadcasting an > unrelated FM statioon just to keep the translator alive. > > Oh, and I'm not surprised the earlier sale of the license failed to > close > over the winter. I wonder what kinda comment we'll get if we dial > 603 > 742-3333 , which I think was the number on the application. You'll > end up > calling another radio station along the NH Seacoast, that's all I > know. > > -- * > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.onairdj.com > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 15 07:07:08 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:07:08 -0400 Subject: The record industry's great performance-tax heist Message-ID: <3B7A5511172C4D1B83A228C502EDC2C2@SatU205S5044> I don't know how many of Radio-Info.com's boards you posted it on, but I found an error in one of the URLs in your post on the Boston board. I posted a correction; see below: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: JIBGUY on Today at 02:05:23 am Both WJIB-740 (Boston) and WJTO-730 (Coastal Maine) are airing short announcements at the top of EVERY hour, giving two web addresses: www.noperformacetax.org and www.freeradioalliance.org WJIB & WJTO will also air a 20-minute speech "13&1/2 Reasons why stations should not have to pay record companies". WJIB: Wednesday & Saturday eve 7 PM. WJTO: Wednesday and Saturday eve 6:30 PM. There is a typo in the first of the two links above. It should be http://www.noperformancetax.org/ . The letter n is missing from the word performance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 14:18:32 2009 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston TV booth announcers In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <331316.69946.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As a side note: Ken Stahl was not only the LAST voice (albeit recorded) on the old WHDH-TV (Channel 5), when they turned-off the transmitter at 2:30 am on 3/19/72. Ken was also the FIRST voice ever (and he was live) on the new WCVB-TV the moment THEY fired up on Channel 5, some 13 minutes later at 2:43 am. Yes, at age 12, I was up at that ungodly hour that Sunday morning just to see the switchover. It seems like yesterday! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com *********************************************************** --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > From: Kevin Vahey > Subject: Re: Boston TV booth announcers > To: "Doug Drown" , "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:52 PM > Leif Jensen was the primary WNAC booth person and Ed Miller > also did booth duty. > > At Channel 5 Ken Stahl also did the booth > > On 4/12/09, Doug Drown > wrote: > > A question that popped into my mind while traveling > today: Who were the > > principal booth announcers for Channels 4, 5 and 7 > during the '50s and '60s? > > I'm thinking that Dick Tucker and Art Amadon did > announcing for Channel 4 > > and that Frank Avruch did some for 5 (though I may be > altogether wrong on > > all counts --- I was a kid back then). I have no idea > who did Channel 7, > > though I remember the voice. > > > > Then there was the distinctive Brahmin twang of > William Pearce on Channel 2, > > who was actually from Maine. > > > > -Doug > > > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 15 14:58:29 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:58:29 -0500 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers In-Reply-To: <331316.69946.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com> <331316.69946.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904151158v25324101u78f382a9784fde23@mail.gmail.com> what scares me is I remember 37 years later that Child World was the first paid ad on WCVB From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 16 00:36:41 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:36:41 -0400 Subject: Boston TV booth announcers In-Reply-To: <4fc429770904151158v25324101u78f382a9784fde23@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770904121652y404dc8b6oe2e47daa84c79c52@mail.gmail.com>, <331316.69946.qm@web50811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770904151158v25324101u78f382a9784fde23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E67D99.4285.2F21AB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 15 Apr 2009 at 13:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > what scares me is I remember 37 years later that Child World was the > first paid ad on WCVB I've got you beat. I remember, after over 50 years, who was mayor of Doodyville before Mr. Bluster. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dwcole@comcast.net Thu Apr 16 13:14:40 2009 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:14:40 -0400 Subject: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away References: <912B5FB33A94477EA8A4EC648939451C@Mark><8bce0fe80904131504v10c433d3v349fcc9b81314fba@mail.gmail.com><31FC40CC124B4A4FA2A1DF5655BCE228@DanBillingsPC><49E3E45A.2040106@gmail.com><9180709B35A04DC590C299427C465C52@DanBillingsPC><8bce0fe80904140522p23ba6430v3ec7ffd3fe9a6691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Of course I meant to say the first days of the current Iraq war. War #1 was during the reign of George the elder...if my rapidly fading memory serves me right. :-) Dan Cole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Dan C" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away > Bob worked with everyone in Portland radio over his career and I don't > know anyone who did not like him. There are not many radio people I could > say that about. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan C" > Cc: "Boston Radio" > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: Phillies Announcer Harry Kalas Has Passed Away > > >> It was because of the first Iraq war. Bob was there in case anything >> broke, as were most of the morning hosts in the building. I only knew >> him for the short time he worked at 420 Western Ave, but he was a kind, >> decent man...and one who is still missed. He had a lot of friends, >> judging by the turnout at the services. > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 14:00:01 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:00:01 -0400 Subject: Inside Music Media: Silent Radio Message-ID: <6E27092FE155454A8C0DE96BCCA6AB20@MainXPPro> We have talked on the list about community radio, pirate radio....at the same time some legitimate AM's are going silent. You may find this article interesting. Jerry Delcolliano bemoans stations turning in their licenses to the FCC. http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2009/04/silent-radio.html From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 14:08:11 2009 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:08:11 -0400 Subject: Co-Workers Baffled After Talk Radio Host Disappears - New Hampshire News Story - WMUR Manchester Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about Aaron Aldrich and WNTK? http://www.wmur.com/news/19201487/detail.html Co-Workers Baffled After Talk Radio Host Disappears - New Hampshire News Story - WMUR Manchester NEWPORT, N.H. -- A radio talk show host in the Upper Valley and his daughter have been missing since Monday, and friends and relatives are trying to figure out what happened to them. Aaron Aldrich and his 19-year-old daughter were last seen leaving their Newport home at about 4 a.m. Monday, and no one has been able to get in touch with them since. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 15:59:39 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WPXG Concord NH Analog OFF, pulled the analog plug ?? Message-ID: <769054.58366.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like they've pulled the plug, unannounced, on WPXG Channel 21 analog for Concord NH (ION). This noticed midday Friday April 17. Channel 21 DT (1 through 4) is on the air doing just fine. I've heard no reports of any power failures on the mountain. I have access to a UHF repeater on the same hill, and it is still alive. If there was a power failure, I'd know about it. John B (London)Derry NH N1QGS From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat Apr 18 19:14:05 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:14:05 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WPXG Concord NH Analog OFF, pulled the analog plug ?? Message-ID: <49EA5EBD.4010109@Gmail.com> John Bolduc wrote, > It looks like they've pulled the plug, unannounced, on > WPXG Channel 21 analog for Concord NH (ION). This noticed > midday Friday April 17. > > Channel 21 DT (1 through 4) is on the air doing just fine. > I've heard no reports of any power failures on the mountain. > I have access to a UHF repeater on the same hill, and it is > still alive. If there was a power failure, I'd know about it. Nope, they were part of the first, post-Feb batch (Wed 16 Apr), as was their parent, WBPX-68 Boston and sister WDPX-58 Vineyard Haven. Also, WWDP-46 Norwell pulled the analog plug that day. Next week (Wed 23 Apr) WGBX-44 goes dark (but *not* WGBH-2). The FCC has a pre-June 12 shutdown list: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-589A3.pdf BTW, logged my first LP-DTV station the other day, too, WHDN-LD-26, eventually to shift to Ch.38. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Apr 18 19:41:35 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:41:35 -0400 Subject: WPXG Concord NH Analog OFF, pulled the analog plug ?? In-Reply-To: <769054.58366.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <769054.58366.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c9c07f$36319b10$a294d130$@net> > It looks like they've pulled the plug, unannounced, on WPXG Channel 21 > analog for Concord NH (ION). This noticed midday Friday April 17. > > Channel 21 DT (1 through 4) is on the air doing just fine. I've heard > no reports of any power failures on the mountain. I have access to a > UHF repeater on the same hill, and it is still alive. If there was a > power failure, I'd know about it. I'm pretty sure that WPXG, WBPX-68, WDPX-58, and WWDP-46 were scheduled to go off the air on April 17th. There could be others that I'm missing to (WNEU-60 maybe?). Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 21:02:06 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WPXG Concord NH Analog OFF, pulled the analog plug ?? Message-ID: <705086.90907.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> By unannounced, I mean no over the air warning to viewers that 21 was about to disappear. Compare this to channel 50 Derry when they switched. ENDLESS announcements, ooooh! ? Of course, I can get channel 21-DT (1-4) just fine. Channel 50 as far as I am concerned fell into the Bermuda Octagon. ? Channel 60 shut off their analog about three or so weeks ago. ? ? John B ? From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Apr 20 00:12:59 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:12:59 -0500 Subject: Missing NH talk radio host wanted by police Message-ID: <20090420041259.0A73DCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> WNTK's Aaron Aldrich and his 19 year old daughter suddenly disappeared last Monday. Now the daughter has been found at Disney World, and Aaron is wanted by the police; child porn was found in the Aldridge home and police think it may have been produced inside the house. He is wanted on felony child porn charges and is said to have been going through marital and financial difficulties. http://www.wmur.com/news/19216643/detail.html From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Apr 20 01:57:03 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:57:03 -0500 Subject: a look back at 1170 SFR Message-ID: <4fc429770904192257k7e6cd303q1c1eb9b64b47e847@mail.gmail.com> I stumbled across this article tonight and just wanted to share the link as it explains how 1170 came to be http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ggninfo/31a.htm From attychase@comcast.net Mon Apr 20 12:32:21 2009 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:32:21 -0400 Subject: Missing NH talk radio host wanted by police References: Message-ID: <4EA3E817522E43C681D591D19877BB18@HomeOffice> Rules to live by: . 1. All mikes are live 2. Everything posted to the Internet can and will become public. 3. Your computer should be treated like your wife will turn it over to the police someday, even it is for an ostensibly innocent purpose like trying to find out where you disappeared to. > WNTK's Aaron Aldrich and his 19 year old daughter suddenly disappeared > last Monday. Now the daughter has > been found at Disney World, and Aaron is wanted by the police; child porn > was found in the Aldridge home > and police think it may have been produced inside the house. He is wanted > on felony child porn charges > and is said to have been going through marital and financial difficulties. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 21 21:48:21 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:48:21 -0500 Subject: Missing/wanted NH radio host Aldrich apprehended in CA Message-ID: <20090422014821.B642683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.wmur.com/news/19244715/detail.html Aaron Aldridge of WNTK was on the lam but has been apprehended near San Bernadino, CA; wanted for possession of child pornography, possibly produced in his Newport NH home. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:31:02 2009 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:31:02 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 Message-ID: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> Anyone want to take a final look at WGBX-44 analog, you better get to it...they are due to "pull the plug" sometimes tomorrow! P=( ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 22 16:35:06 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:35:06 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> Message-ID: But when does the DTV "channel 44" move from the temporary channel (42? 43?) back to RF channel 44? I assume that when that happens, the dropouts I've been experiencing for the last few weeks will finally end--at least mostly. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 > Anyone want to take a final look at WGBX-44 analog, you better get > to it...they are due to "pull the plug" sometimes tomorrow! P=( > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Apr 22 17:15:52 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:15:52 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c9c38f$85267700$8f736500$@net> I believe if they planned on moving back to 44 (or any other channel) it would show up when you look them up on the FCC database. Right now, they have no CPs or apps for any changes. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 22 23:46:13 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:46:13 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: <000301c9c38f$85267700$8f736500$@net> References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com>, , <000301c9c38f$85267700$8f736500$@net> Message-ID: <49EFAC45.9757.397BCF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Apr 2009 at 17:15, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I believe if they planned on moving back to 44 (or any other channel) > it would show up when you look them up on the FCC database. Right now, > they have no CPs or apps for any changes. Do they need a permit to move back to their regular RF channel? I thought they were entitled to do that as soon as the changeover takes place. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Apr 22 23:46:14 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:46:14 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com>, Message-ID: <49EFAC46.14358.397D69@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Apr 2009 at 16:35, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > But when does the DTV "channel 44" move from the temporary channel > (42? 43?) back to RF channel 44? I assume that when that happens, the > dropouts I've been experiencing for the last few weeks will finally > end--at least mostly. Why should the signal be that different on RF channel 42 or 43? For that matter, I've always wondered why I get so much better reception on channel 5 than on channel 4, when they come from the same tower. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From andysoule@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 22:20:55 2009 From: andysoule@gmail.com (Andy Soule) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:20:55 -0400 Subject: Mike FM HD synchronization Message-ID: <898ae2810904201920y16590098xd40d21dba7c324c9@mail.gmail.com> So is it my radio, or is Mike FM out of synch just enough to make the HD fades really, really annoying? From lglavin@mail.com Tue Apr 21 17:07:29 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:07:29 -0500 Subject: WFXT-DT Channel 31 At Full Power Message-ID: <20090421210729.875EC1CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> WFXT-TV, channel 25 in the Boston area, with a pipsqueak analog signal, has finally boosted its DTV station to its full authorized power of 780 KW @ about 1190 feet on channel 31; apparently it's been running at one-tenth of that ERP for some time, even though the analog output sputtered out to nearly nothing late last fall. Thus, on my tabletop TV in the kitchen with a digital-to-analog box, WFXT-DT comes in with as much juice as WGBH-DT; WBZ-DT; WCVB-DT (hey, since the calls 'WCVB' meant 'channel 5 in boston' using the roman numeral for 5, shouldn't the call letters be changed to WXXB, or something like that?); WHDH-DT on channel 42 (we'll have to wait until June 12th and WHDH-DT's move to its ultimate home on VHF channel 7 to see how that works out); and last on this list of major Boston stations: WGBX-DT 1,2,3 and 4. All of these stations seem to be operating at max, and reaching out to my location about 30 miles north of the antenna farm in Newton/Needham. (I guess this means that WMFP-DT and WBPX don't rate as major stations; the former has in fact boosted its signal on channel 18 to nearly as strong where I live as the other guys, but so far I receive NO signal from WBPX-DT, which I understand is transmitting from the candelabra tower from which WFXT emanates.) -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From linc45r-n@lincster.com Tue Apr 21 22:54:08 2009 From: linc45r-n@lincster.com (linc45r-n@lincster.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:54:08 -0700 Subject: Missing/wanted NH radio host Aldrich apprehended in CA References: <20090422014821.B642683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <85E29A5BA7A74637925C2C3DCBD02975@editor> Welcome to the world of "cop" mentality.. You have a picture of a woman in a revealing bikini on your computer.. they just found pornography on your computer, and they make a press release out of it. The girl in the bikini appears to be under 18, they just found child pronography on your computer. and they release it the press. Just like the question, "do you still beat your wife." They just made you guilty, even if you are not. I'm sure the Newport cops are trying to capitalize on this, maybe he said something about them on the air they didn't like... add to this an ex-wife. Sorry, the cops in Newport have no credibility with me, try him in the media! But they will be silent if he is found innocent. Yes, cop mentality in action. I guess I better never take a vacation trip to New Hampshire! Linc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: Missing/wanted NH radio host Aldrich apprehended in CA http://www.wmur.com/news/19244715/detail.html Aaron Aldridge of WNTK was on the lam but has been apprehended near San Bernadino, CA; wanted for possession of child pornography, possibly produced in his Newport NH home. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Wed Apr 22 17:00:28 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:00:28 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Dan was asking (lost the thread) if WGBX-44 would move back to their analog channel. They are on 43 now and so far as I know that's their final assignment. (WHDH is on 42 and *will* move back to 7 after 6/12.) From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 23 00:03:57 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:03:57 -0400 Subject: Your moderator has returned Message-ID: <18927.59565.125975.11644@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I am back from a whirlwind tour of western and central Arizona, and neighboring parts of Nevada and California. Pictures to follow Real Soon Now. At great potential cost to my sanity, I have approved everything in the moderation queue that looked legit. If something gets through that shouldn't have, I promise to refund your subscription fee. As a reminder: if you subscribe to this list in digest form, you need to change the subject heading to match the message you're replying to. Anything that comes in as "Re: Boston-Radio-Interest Digest Volume foo Issue Bar" earns an automatic rejection. (Many mail progams will allow you to open digests as if they were mailboxes; this is the best way to read the digest if your client allows it.) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 23 00:54:10 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:54:10 -0400 Subject: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <18927.62578.360675.699173@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But when does the DTV "channel 44" move from the temporary channel > (42? 43?) back to RF channel 44? They won't. RF 43 is their permanent assignment. (In general, the "transitional" assignments were given preference when the FCC generated the final digital allotment list, so in most cases a UHF station will find the transitional digital channel preferable to their analog channel for permanent DTV operation.) Channel 43 is already on the upper panel at 350 Cedar, so whatever signal you get is what you get. Channel 44 was on the lower panel (combined with WGBH's channel 19 digital and I think the channel 38 analog backup). Two separate panels are used because the combiner manufacturer could not provide sufficient adjacent-channel isolation to meet the transmitter manufacturers' requirements without significant distortion. (Since WCVB will remain on channel 20 and WGBH-TV will keep channel 19, this arrangement will continue.) -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Apr 23 01:12:18 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:12:18 -0400 Subject: Inside Music Media: Silent Radio In-Reply-To: <6E27092FE155454A8C0DE96BCCA6AB20@MainXPPro> References: <6E27092FE155454A8C0DE96BCCA6AB20@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <18927.63666.507703.510596@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > You may find this article interesting. Jerry Delcolliano bemoans stations > turning in their licenses to the FCC. Of course, he grossly overestimated the number of stations handing their licenses in. (Perhaps he confused stations going silent with stations going deleted?) (I haven't actually read the article; this is based on an in-car conversation with Fybush, who has.) -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 23 07:14:19 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:14:19 -0400 Subject: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> <18927.62578.360675.699173@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <19817848E7094B89B317C76A3F2164F8@SatU205S5044> Bummer! Reception of Channel "44" HD-n was great until a couple of weeks ago, No dropouts for weeks on end. Then I found myself having to fiddle with the antenna to get audio that was even marginally intelligible. I finally found an antenna position that is marginally acceptable a lot of the time but it's still very touchy and iffy. If I move around the room, the reception often goes to hell in a handbasket. When the announcement started running that 44 analog was on low power, I figured that my good digital reception would probably return after the switch to all digital. I am not sure that I can take my current reception of "44" in perpetuity. "2" is OK. I don't watch "4," "5," or "38" enough to have much of an opinion on them, except that "38" has been one of my biggest DTV reception headaches--if not THE biggest. I used to be able to find antenna locations that worked for all channels except "38," which required its own setup. Setup involves so many variables that it is hopeless to try to invent a systematic procedure for setting up the antenna. And worse yet, I can watch for 10 minutes or more and conclude that the reception is now OK, only to have it then suddenly deteriorate into almost continual pixellation and unintelligible audio. 8-VSB is great when its working properly but it flunks the real-world reception test in what ought to be a very good location that should not require an outside antenna, and in all likelihood would be even worse with an amplified antenna. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 > < said: > >> But when does the DTV "channel 44" move from the temporary channel >> (42? 43?) back to RF channel 44? From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Thu Apr 23 08:06:08 2009 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:06:08 -0400 Subject: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: <19817848E7094B89B317C76A3F2164F8@SatU205S5044> References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> <18927.62578.360675.699173@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19817848E7094B89B317C76A3F2164F8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: When WHDH moves off of 42, you might have better results. I'm hoping the June switchover will improve reception for me. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:14 AM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 Bummer! Reception of Channel "44" HD-n was great until a couple of weeks ago, No dropouts for weeks on end. Then I found myself having to fiddle with the antenna to get audio that was even marginally intelligible. I finally found an antenna position that is marginally acceptable a lot of the time but it's still very touchy and iffy. If I move around the room, the reception often goes to hell in a handbasket. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 10:35:50 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 In-Reply-To: References: <49EF7076.9070108@Gmail.com> <18927.62578.360675.699173@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <19817848E7094B89B317C76A3F2164F8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <602888.1558.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm having no problem with WGBX, and now that WFXT is up to full power they come in much better. WSBK is an absolute nightmare to pull in, along with WBPX. Some of the Providence stations are an issue (WPRI, WNAC and WSBE) but hopefully that will clear up come June. ________________________________ From: David Moisan To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:06:08 AM Subject: RE: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 When WHDH moves off of 42, you might have better results.? I'm hoping the June switchover will improve reception for me. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:14 AM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Say GoodBye To WGBX-44 Bummer! Reception of Channel "44" HD-n was great until a couple of weeks ago, No dropouts for weeks on end. Then I found myself having to fiddle with the antenna to get audio that was even marginally intelligible. I finally found an antenna position that is marginally acceptable a lot of the time but it's still very touchy and iffy. If I move around the room, the reception often goes to hell in a handbasket. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 24 10:48:32 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:48:32 -0500 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? Message-ID: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> A radio-info regular is hearing that WNEB 1230 in Worc. is switching to Spanish on Monday. Conservative talk (its previous format) fans need not worry, as WTAG in Worc. and WPKZ (1280) in Fitchburg have several shows, plus there are signals from Boston, Prov., Hartford, etc. Speaking of talk, Premiere radio has signed Randi Rhodes and she could well wind up on considerably more stations than before--at least judging by the money and promotional strength they have. Apparently Premiere says she had done well on some Clear Channel stations. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Apr 24 11:32:20 2009 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:32:20 -0400 Subject: Mike FM HD synchronization In-Reply-To: <898ae2810904201920y16590098xd40d21dba7c324c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <898ae2810904201920y16590098xd40d21dba7c324c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c9c4f1$dba07be0$92e173a0$@net> > So is it my radio, or is Mike FM out of synch just enough to make the > HD > fades really, really annoying? It's not just you, I've noticed this also. It's been like this for a long time, possibly 6 months or more. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From revdoug1@myfairpoint.net Fri Apr 24 11:49:57 2009 From: revdoug1@myfairpoint.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:49:57 -0400 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? References: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Doesn't WORC have an all-Spanish format? If so, what do you think will be the niche WNEB is seeking for its programming? Doesn't seem it could compete very well against WORC's 5-kw signal. On a somewhat unrelated topic: Does anyone know if Bob Bryar, the owner of WORC during its halcyon Top 40 days, is still living? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: WNEB to Spanish? >A radio-info regular is hearing that WNEB 1230 in Worc. is switching to >Spanish on Monday. Conservative talk (its > previous format) fans need not worry, as WTAG in Worc. and WPKZ (1280) in > Fitchburg have several shows, plus there > are signals from Boston, Prov., Hartford, etc. > > Speaking of talk, Premiere radio has signed Randi Rhodes and she could > well wind up on considerably more stations > than before--at least judging by the money and promotional strength they > have. Apparently Premiere says she had > done well on some Clear Channel stations. > From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Apr 24 13:16:42 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:16:42 -0400 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? In-Reply-To: References: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <166163991127564732540053329963426992200-Webmail@me.com> On Friday, April 24, 2009, at 11:49AM, "Doug Drown" wrote: >Doesn't WORC have an all-Spanish format? If so, what do you think will be >the niche WNEB is seeking for its programming? Doesn't seem it could >compete very well against WORC's 5-kw signal. > >On a somewhat unrelated topic: Does anyone know if Bob Bryar, the owner of >WORC during its halcyon Top 40 days, is still living? -Doug I remember the original "Open House Party" with Bob Bryar and Johnny Gardner on WORC from noon til 6. "Drink as much as you want but it'll come from the sink!" I can't find any direct confirmation of this, but a 2008 telegram.com obituary for a WORC jock from the 50's refers to "the late Bob Bryar." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:48 AM >Subject: WNEB to Spanish? > > >>A radio-info regular is hearing that WNEB 1230 in Worc. is switching to >>Spanish on Monday. Conservative talk (its >> previous format) fans need not worry, as WTAG in Worc. and WPKZ (1280) in >> Fitchburg have several shows, plus there >> are signals from Boston, Prov., Hartford, etc. From marklaurence@mac.com Fri Apr 24 13:40:56 2009 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? In-Reply-To: <166163991127564732540053329963426992200-Webmail@me.com> References: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <166163991127564732540053329963426992200-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <49926947755144973126557722547039288818-Webmail@me.com> On Friday, April 24, 2009, at 01:16PM, "Mark Laurence" wrote: > >>On a somewhat unrelated topic: Does anyone know if Bob Bryar, the owner of >>WORC during its halcyon Top 40 days, is still living? -Doug > >I can't find any direct confirmation of this, but a 2008 telegram.com obituary for a WORC jock from the 50's refers to "the late Bob Bryar." Just to be clear, the obituary was not for Bob, it was a different WORC jock who I don't remember, but it refers to Bob in that way as one of her co-workers. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 17:33:56 2009 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ROAD TRIP REPORT - DTV Report from Central FLA Message-ID: <896045.96833.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On vacation in Florida, report from Mom's house. Location Haines City Almost half way between "Cities" Orlando and Tampa, a little closer to Orlando, and a little south of a straight line between the two. In reality, closer to Tampa TV transmitters than Orlando. Antenna point towards Orlando Transmitter site. Tampa was received almost directly off the backside. Antenna direction never adjusted. Gainesville 5-DT and 20-DT came in just fine. No sign of Jacskonville, Miami or Fort Meyers. On modest, old, beating up, outdoor TV antenna received 37 Main Digital TV Stations, accounting for a total of 66 sub-channels (Main+sub). Rabbit ear/UHF loop antenna indoor results far less promising results. 25 Main channels during four scans with antenna reoriented each scan. At any one time, approximately 1/2 of any of the channels would come in without readjusting. On the analog side, the most fringe of stations, Gainesville analog 5 was coming in okay, good enough for a non radio/TV nut to watch. Jacksonville analog 4 was coming in fair. With all this said, later in the evening an tropo opening on 2 meters amateur radio allowed me to hear repeaters in Tallashasee, and Dotham Georgia. So I don't reaaly know if my DTV result would be considered typical or not. I do think the tropo opening had started, but was not anywhere near its best when I when doing the DTV searches. John B Haines City Key West Miami Beach and soon Myrtle Beach in spite of the fires. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 19:09:48 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ROAD TRIP REPORT - DTV Report from Central FLA In-Reply-To: <896045.96833.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40178.20388.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 4/24/09, John Bolduc wrote: > So I don't reaaly know if my DTV result would be > considered typical or not. I do think the tropo opening had > started, but was not anywhere near its best when I when > doing the DTV searches. I'd think the geography of Florida, which seems to be rather flat, would be helpful, no? There is no Blue Hill or Zion Hill to block signals... wouldn't that make a difference? From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Apr 25 01:34:46 2009 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:34:46 -0400 Subject: ROAD TRIP REPORT - DTV Report from Central FLA In-Reply-To: <896045.96833.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <896045.96833.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F268B6.7415.6AD567@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Apr 2009 at 14:33, John Bolduc wrote: > Antenna point towards Orlando Transmitter site. Tampa was received > almost directly off the backside. Antenna direction never adjusted. > > Gainesville 5-DT and 20-DT came in just fine. No sign of Jacskonville, > Miami or Fort Meyers. Although I have cable TV, I thought it might be useful to still be able to get over-the-air TV, in case of a cable outage, or if I want to watch one show on cable while taping another off-the-air. And, with the government-provided coupons, they were cheap enough. So I got two DTV converters and can report some results. On one TV, I can get pretty good reception, though certain channels seem to keep breaking up, and a message appears on the screen saying "bad or nonexistent signal." When a good signal is present, the picture is crystal clear, without all the ghosts and snow that we are prone to in Brookline. When it isn't, it can be much less watchable than one with ghosts. For some reason, the one on my diningroom TV is unable to find channel 4, though it finds 2 and 5 fine. Why there should be that much difference, when the stations are all on the same tower, I don't understand. I also have a small hand-sized TV that I got in a yard sale for $20 a few years ago. I use it mainly to watch Jay Leno's monolog while in my study at my computer. It doesn't have a conventional antenna connection, but has a jack for an external antenna which is similar to a transistor-radio earphone jack. I found an old piece of cable TV cable and soldered an earphone plug on one end. Connecting the other end to the converter box and plugging this end into the TV, I get digital TV on that mini-TV, which I was afraid would no longer be useable after the changeover. So I'm going to set up one of the converter boxes in my study to use with that TV. My girlfriend has a couple of old black-and-white TVs. I'm going to install her DTV converters on them tomorrow. Stay tuned. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Apr 25 02:25:25 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:25:25 -0400 Subject: ROAD TRIP REPORT - DTV Report from Central FLA References: <896045.96833.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49F268B6.7415.6AD567@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Does she also live in Brookline? I may be speaking prematurely, but tonight's viewing of Channel 44 in Arlington Heights was encouraging. Readers may remember my tale of woe a few days ago regarding reception of 44 DT-n for the few weeks immediately preceding the 44-analog shutdown, when 44-analog was supposed to be at reduced power. I'm now wondering whether the reduced-power version of 44-analog might have been bleeding onto 43--the RF channel of 44 DT--in ways that the full-power version of 44-analog did not. If so, the RF from the reduced-power 44-analog might have been desensitizing the front end of the DTV receiver and, on the analog TV, doing the same with the front end of the DTV converter box. The phenomenon I am trying to describe would be quite analogous to front-end overload on FM receivers in the Back Bay. I will say that I am very suspcious of the information presented on the signal-strength display of my Panasonic DTV receiver. I suspect an appreciable lag between when the signal strength is measured and when the signal-strength display is updated. The display can read 100% for MANY seconds. But only AFTER the sound breaks up and the video pixellates, will the signal-strength bar drop back from the 100% mark and the indicated numerical value drop into the low 80s. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; "John Bolduc" Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:34 AM Subject: Re: ROAD TRIP REPORT - DTV Report from Central FLA > > My girlfriend has a couple of old black-and-white TVs. I'm going to > install her DTV converters on them tomorrow. Stay tuned. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From lglavin@mail.com Sat Apr 25 13:40:56 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:40:56 -0500 Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again Message-ID: <20090425174056.4B33A1CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> As a previous member of the BRIG mentioned, one reason to get a digital-to-analog box, even when one has cable TV in the home, is to be ready during any hurricane or blizzard that cuts off cable reception. And then, for a normal person, a d-to-a box may be needed for a table-top TV in the kitchen or other room away from the cable coneection (my situation). But for rf geeks, it also provides endless hours of fun derived from treating this equipment as a toy. In addition to the government-subsidized d-to-a box, I purchased a Radio Shack amplified antenna with an internal rotatable UHF antenna (physically it resembles the Starship Enterprise). I have to say that ALL of the full-power DTVs on UHF transmitting from either 350 Cedar Street, the route 128 candelabra and the WHDH standalone come in with usually strong and consistent signals; the exception: very windy days, when I imagine the towers move to and fro, and thus confuse my receiver. Anyway, right after WGBX-TV's analog transmissions stopped, I tuned the box to channel 44 and got WGBX-DT anyway. Somehow, channels 44 and 43 were stored together in the box's memory. Then I decided to delete 43 and 44 from the system, after which I could ONLY get WGBX-DT by entering '43'. So I thereupon deleted ALL the channels I had stored, and as a result, I can ONLY get DTVs that have shut down their analog allocations by entering their real channels. If I enter '2', since channel 2 exists, it switches me to '19'. But with WFXT-DT, entering '25' gets me a "NO SIGNAL" message; entering '31' brings the picture right up. So I have this question for the engineering types...explain to me again how after TV stations have turned OFF their analog transmitters, they can still be identified as being on those channels even though people using over-the-air TVs will be getting them on the permanent DTV assignments? S I D E B A R Although I can't get WZMY-DT by entering '50', when I enter '35', the little box on the upper right-and of the screen first displays '35' then changes it to 'WZMY-DT1 50'. -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Apr 25 16:36:54 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:36:54 -0400 Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again References: <20090425174056.4B33A1CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <349F41C7CBBF4D94BA625CACBB8B954C@SatU205S5044> As I understand it, part of the information transmitted in a DTV datastream is the virtual-channel number, that is, the number of the channel by which the receiver or converter box identifies to the viewer the channel that is being decoded. In general, the virtual channel will not be the same as the RF channel, though, in some cases it will be the same. The example that I know of in this area is Channel 7, which, after June 12, will be both the RF channel and the virtual channel. For the sake of clarity, I have not mentioned the secondary channels (e.g. 44-1, 44-2, 44-3, and 44-4) in this discussion. Those are also identified in their datastreams. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again As a previous member of the BRIG mentioned, one reason to get a digital-to-analog box, even when one has cable TV in the home, is to be ready during any hurricane or blizzard that cuts off cable reception. And then, for a normal person, a d-to-a box may be needed for a table-top TV in the kitchen or other room away from the cable coneection (my situation). But for rf geeks, it also provides endless hours of fun derived from treating this equipment as a toy. In addition to the government-subsidized d-to-a box, I purchased a Radio Shack amplified antenna with an internal rotatable UHF antenna (physically it resembles the Starship Enterprise). I have to say that ALL of the full-power DTVs on UHF transmitting from either 350 Cedar Street, the route 128 candelabra and the WHDH standalone come in with usually strong and consistent signals; the exception: very windy days, when I imagine the towers move to and fro, and thus confuse my receiver. Anyway, right after WGBX-TV's analog transmissions stopped, I tuned the box to channel 44 and got WGBX-DT anyway. Somehow, channels 44 and 43 were stored together in the box's memory. Then I decided to delete 43 and 44 from the system, after which I could ONLY get WGBX-DT by entering '43'. So I thereupon deleted ALL the channels I had stored, and as a result, I can ONLY get DTVs that have shut down their analog allocations by entering their real channels. If I enter '2', since channel 2 exists, it switches me to '19'. But with WFXT-DT, entering '25' gets me a "NO SIGNAL" message; entering '31' brings the picture right up. So I have this question for the engineering types...explain to me again how after TV stations have turned OFF their analog transmitters, they can still be identified as being on those channels even though people using over-the-air TVs will be getting them on the permanent DTV assignments? S I D E B A R Although I can't get WZMY-DT by entering '50', when I enter '35', the little box on the upper right-and of the screen first displays '35' then changes it to 'WZMY-DT1 50'. -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From scott@fybush.com Sat Apr 25 16:38:54 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:38:54 -0400 Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again In-Reply-To: <20090425174056.4B33A1CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090425174056.4B33A1CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49F374DE.5030403@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > So I have this question > for the engineering types...explain to me again how after TV stations have turned OFF their analog > transmitters, they can still be identified as being on those channels even though people > using over-the-air TVs will be getting them on the permanent DTV assignments? Because you're supposed to do what those 16 zillion PSAs running every 20 seconds are telling you to do: rescan your converter box. (And then do it again after June 12.) That will cause your box to do what it's supposed to do and remap the DTV channels. s From markwats@comcast.net Sat Apr 25 17:03:23 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:03:23 -0400 Subject: WLLH Off The Air Message-ID: <927B773DBA4041F1BA09A59B61710C04@Mark> It appears that WLLH's Lowell & Lawrence transmitters have been off the air since at least sometime Friday afternoon. I first noticed this about 3:30 PM Friday and as of the time of this posting they are still off the air. WAMG, whose programming WLLH simulcasts is on the air. Mark Watson From scott@fybush.com Sun Apr 26 13:52:10 2009 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:52:10 -0400 Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again In-Reply-To: <20090426165103.8F720BE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090426165103.8F720BE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <49F49F4A.2070406@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > As I said, I deleted all the channels from memory. OK, I guess now I'll > have to re-scan as if I had just installed the box and see what happens. > How about a year after 6/12...will DTVs jusr tell everybody we're not your father's channel. I probably owe you a longer answer, now that Time Warner has graciously restored my internet service that's been out (along with most of the rest of western NY) for much of the day): Channel mapping is here to stay, for a variety of very good reasons that start with competitive balance: if WHDH gets to keep "channel 7," while WBZ becomes "channel 30" and WCVB becomes "channel 20," you've upset a competitive balance that's more than half a century old - and lost a lot of the support that broadcasters have brought to the table on the DTV conversion. In any event, to call WCVB-DT "channel 20" is meaningless. Unless you already know that UHF channel 20 was traditionally mapped to 508-514 MHz, and that VHF channel 5 was traditionally mapped to 76-82 MHz, you (being an average viewer) would have no reason to know or care that your digital TV box now goes to 508-514 MHz when you punch in "channel 5" - any more than you already know, if you're a cable subscriber, that your digital cable box is probably going to a QAM channel in the 750 MHz range when you punch in "5" on Comcast cable, or that your DirecTV box is tuning in a 12 GHz carrier when you punch in "5." "5" equals WCVB equals ABC, and what goes on inside the box doesn't matter - and shouldn't! In general, once you've scanned your local DTV channels, you don't need to go back and do it again, UNLESS: A) Stations change their mapping, which is happening in earnest right now, as we work toward the June 12 deadline. Once that's over, though, we're pretty much done. or B) You delete all your mapped channels, in which case your box doesn't know what's supposed to be where until you remap. My basic advice still stands: rescan and you should be fine. (And mark your calendar to rescan once more on June 13, after WHDH and WMUR go back to their original RF channels.) s From lglavin@mail.com Sun Apr 26 12:51:03 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:51:03 -0500 Subject: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again Message-ID: <20090426165103.8F720BE407D@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: OK, Engineering Types: Explain This Again >Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:38:54 -0400 >Laurence Glavin wrote: > So I have this question for the engineering types...explain to me > again how after TV stations have turned OFF their analog > transmitters, they can still be identified as being on those > channels even though people using over-the-air TVs will be > getting them on the permanent DTV assignments? >Because you're supposed to do what those 16 zillion PSAs running >every 20 seconds are telling you to do: rescan your converter box. >(And then do it again after June 12.) >That will cause your box to do what it's supposed to do and remap >the DTV channels. >s As I said, I deleted all the channels from memory. OK, I guess now I'll have to re-scan as if I had just installed the box and see what happens. How about a year after 6/12...will DTVs jusr tell everybody we're not your father's channel. -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Apr 27 01:43:53 2009 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:43:53 -0400 Subject: WLLH Message-ID: <915C1F53740C4B0AB6370291394F2142@Chicken159> Blown PA output amp in Lawrence Problematic intermittent T-1 between line from Charlestown to Wood Hill with no backup....Verizon is working on it since Saturday From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Apr 27 15:07:03 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:07:03 -0500 Subject: WAZN won't run progtalk after all Message-ID: <20090427190703.3098683986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> According to a post on radio-info.com, the GM of WAZN now says that progressive talk will not run after all on AM 1470 (circumstances beyond their control). He says it will run somewhere on Boston radio but not there. (Meanwhile Jeff Santos of WWZN is promising some kind of announcement tomorrow during his 8 am hour.) Options seem very limited at this point, but who knows. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Apr 27 17:50:51 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:50:51 -0400 Subject: WAZN won't run progtalk after all References: <20090427190703.3098683986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9BCA563682004D0098BC9162B294FEC5@SatU205S5044> Who was the woman (and what was the name of her character) on (I think) Saturday Night Live, who made famous the expression, "Never mind..."? Jeff Kline should have engaged her services for his latest announcement (or retraction, or whatever). I guess you can't be sure of anything in brokered-time radio until it has happened. And based on Jeff' Santos' own on-and-off-and-on-again relationship with WWZN, you can't even be sure of anything even AFTER it has happened. I wonder how much of this is the result of the nature of brokered time and how much is the result of the mentality of Progressive Talk talent and syndicators that the PD or GM of KKGN, the Progressive Talk station in San Francisco, referred to as a circular firing squad. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: WAZN won't run progtalk after all According to a post on radio-info.com, the GM of WAZN now says that progressive talk will not run after all on AM 1470 (circumstances beyond their control). He says it will run somewhere on Boston radio but not there. (Meanwhile Jeff Santos of WWZN is promising some kind of announcement tomorrow during his 8 am hour.) Options seem very limited at this point, but who knows. From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Apr 27 18:20:28 2009 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:20:28 -0400 Subject: WLLH update Message-ID: <26A98D8D80E04F8E97CC2F673C74502C@Chicken159> Greater Medias Paul Shullins told me there was a major National Grid utility pole fire in Andover that took out all Verizon (WLLH T-1 and ISDN) and Comcast service and also started a fire in the woods and brush in the area around the pole. All service was out for more than a day, I just placed an order with Harris for warranty parts to restore Lawrence. Chris Hall From sid@wrko.com Mon Apr 27 19:25:17 2009 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:25:17 -0400 Subject: WAZN won't run progtalk after all In-Reply-To: <9BCA563682004D0098BC9162B294FEC5@SatU205S5044> References: <20090427190703.3098683986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <9BCA563682004D0098BC9162B294FEC5@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8441AB1D7D9@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> "Who was the woman (and what was the name of her character) on (I think) Saturday Night Live, who made famous the expression, "Never mind..."?" Gilda Radner as "Emily Litella." Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 28 11:53:36 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:53:36 -0500 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm Message-ID: <20090428155336.BC7A9AC81E3@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> I work weird hours so I missed the actual announcement on the Jeff Santos show but apparently WWZN 1510 will be progtalk by day, sports by night. I think they are buying the time; don't know yet when it will be in effect. Apparently the Santos show will continue 6 to 9 am but they are following it with Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Ed Schulz. So the Jeff Kline comment about WAZN not running it meant that the shows are going to 1510 instead of 1470. I thought maybe one show (Miller) would be added but they're adding three. The WWZN signal is probably fairly easy to get by day but not so at night (is that where Cedric Maxwell got his "quack, quack" expression from? "the signal's so weak only the ducks in the ocean can get it?") but it's something at least. It may take awhile for the WWZN site, etc. to be updated. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 28 12:21:04 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:21:04 -0600 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm In-Reply-To: <20090428155336.BC7A9AC81E3@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090428155336.BC7A9AC81E3@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904280921q7a879938xef64d6e35b4eb19e@mail.gmail.com> You *THINK* they are buying time? It's Davidson Media Group that owns the station, who's motto is "If you don't pay, we won't play". it's brokered time, as simple as that.. there's no hidden agenda or surprise here, Davidson media is simply cashing a check. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I work weird hours so I missed the actual announcement on the Jeff Santos > show but apparently WWZN 1510 will be progtalk > by day, sports by night. I think they are buying the time; don't know yet > when it will be in effect. Apparently > the Santos show will continue 6 to 9 am but they are following it with > Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Ed Schulz. > So the Jeff Kline comment about WAZN not running it meant that the shows > are going to 1510 instead of 1470. > I thought maybe one show (Miller) would be added but they're adding three. > > The WWZN signal is probably fairly easy to get by day but not so at night > (is that where Cedric Maxwell got his "quack, > quack" expression from? "the signal's so weak only the ducks in the ocean > can get it?") but it's something at least. It may > take awhile for the WWZN site, etc. to be updated. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 28 12:37:38 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:37:38 -0500 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm Message-ID: <20090428163739.3613D83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes I probably should have said "no doubt they're buying time" not "I think..." From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 28 13:02:22 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:02:22 -0400 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm References: <20090428155336.BC7A9AC81E3@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9BC999BE3E6C4B8483A48213ECC5BC4F@SatU205S5044> The lineup is 6-10A: Santos, 10A-noon: Stephanie Miller, noon-3P: Schultz, 3-6P: Hartmann, 6-7P: TBA--Santos hopes to announce on Friday. (AFAIK, Rachel Maddow's show airs at the correct time, but I believe she is still with AirAmerica. All of the other listed syndie hosts are with Dial Global. Since Dial Global may be partially paying for the time, getting them to pay for a program from a competing syndicator could be a problem.) Just why Santos extended his slot by an hour, thereby deleting the first hour of Stephanie is a puzzlement to me. Steph's many fans will not be happy, but then, two hours are better than nothing. I've always felt that Stephanie trivializes serious issues, so although I think she is clever and her sidekick, Jim Ward, is cleverer still, I don't consider myself a loyal fan. But even though Santos has some good guests, I usually find his show unconsionably dull and I believe that adding an hour to his already often painfully over-long program is a mistake. However, it's his company, Santos Media, that is leasing the time, so, along with all of the other listeners, I don't get a vote. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm I work weird hours so I missed the actual announcement on the Jeff Santos show but apparently WWZN 1510 will be progtalk by day, sports by night. I think they are buying the time; don't know yet when it will be in effect. Apparently the Santos show will continue 6 to 9 am but they are following it with Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Ed Schulz. So the Jeff Kline comment about WAZN not running it meant that the shows are going to 1510 instead of 1470. I thought maybe one show (Miller) would be added but they're adding three. The WWZN signal is probably fairly easy to get by day but not so at night (is that where Cedric Maxwell got his "quack, quack" expression from? "the signal's so weak only the ducks in the ocean can get it?") but it's something at least. It may take awhile for the WWZN site, etc. to be updated. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 28 13:29:27 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:29:27 -0500 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm Message-ID: <20090428172927.D1B1783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks for that info; I have been told the revolutionboston.com site has been updated. I also am wondering why they didn't pick up Miller for 3 hours but a) consider the local talk is now 4 hours long, though not everyone is a fan of Santos, and b)I wouldn't be too surprised if, at least for now, they may plug in Miller's first hour tape delayed in that 6-7 pm slot. For now at least. From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 28 13:38:05 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:38:05 -0500 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm Message-ID: <20090428173805.71663AC8287@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Ah--OK Dan, thanks to your post and revolutionboston.com I now see that the 6-7 pm hour is "local" for now and that it will start May 4...and as you also point out, it's definitely less than "half" sports as the progtalk runs till 7 pm AND I forgot Brother Stair! :) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 28 14:29:54 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:29:54 -0600 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm In-Reply-To: <20090428173805.71663AC8287@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090428173805.71663AC8287@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904281129m6fd6397dq31ab830fb65422eb@mail.gmail.com> I still like the idea of "The Stair-Master" program, lol Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Ah--OK Dan, thanks to your post and revolutionboston.com I now see that > the 6-7 pm hour is "local" > for now and that it will start May 4...and as you also point out, it's > definitely less than "half" > sports as the progtalk runs till 7 pm AND I forgot Brother Stair! :) > > From bobswenson@usa.com Mon Apr 27 17:24:36 2009 From: bobswenson@usa.com (bob swenson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:24:36 +0500 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? Message-ID: <20090427212436.B31661CE917@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Bob Bryar passed away in 2008 in Tampa. Fl. In 1955 he and his wife Shirley bought WORC and started playing Rock N Roll.The original DJ's for Open House were Bob and Shirely and Mell Miller. Mell left WORC in 1956 and went to WMEX. In 1985 all the original DJ's came back for 2days. I recorded it on Reel to Reel tape. In 2008 I decided to copy the shows to CD and sent a copy to Bob. He called me on the phone saying that the CD brought back so many good times. He was not in very good health at that time. He sent me a big collection of stuff from WORC including many aircheck from the 50's and 60's. He also sent me originals of the WORC" All Request Survey". One of thse sheets was from November 1963 showing The Beatles "I'll Get You" on Swan Records at number 5. Also included was a promo of Dick Smith PD receiving a gold record from Swan Records indicating he was the first DJ to play a Beatles record in America. This was 4 months before The Beatles performance on Ed Sullivan. Bob Swenson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Subject: Re: WNEB to Spanish? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:16:42 -0400 On Friday, April 24, 2009, at 11:49AM, "Doug Drown" wrote: > Doesn't WORC have an all-Spanish format? If so, what do you > think will be the niche WNEB is seeking for its programming? > Doesn't seem it could compete very well against WORC's 5-kw > signal. > > On a somewhat unrelated topic: Does anyone know if Bob Bryar, > the owner of WORC during its halcyon Top 40 days, is still > living? -Doug I remember the original "Open House Party" with Bob Bryar and Johnny Gardner on WORC from noon til 6. "Drink as much as you want but it'll come from the sink!" I can't find any direct confirmation of this, but a 2008 telegram.com obituary for a WORC jock from the 50's refers to "the late Bob Bryar." > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:48 AM > Subject: WNEB to Spanish? > > >> A radio-info regular is hearing that WNEB 1230 in Worc. is >> switching to Spanish on Monday. Conservative talk (its >> previous format) fans need not worry, as WTAG in Worc. and WPKZ >> (1280) in Fitchburg have several shows, plus there >> are signals from Boston, Prov., Hartford, etc. -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Apr 28 14:57:36 2009 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:57:36 -0500 Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm Message-ID: <20090428185736.02BAE1BF2CE@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: WWZN 1510 to run prog talk 6 am to 6 pm >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:53:36 -0500 >I work weird hours so I missed the actual announcement on the Jeff >Santos show but apparently WWZN 1510 will be progtalk >by day, sports by night. I think they are buying the time; don't >know yet when it will be in effect. Apparently >the Santos show will continue 6 to 9 am but they are following it >with Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Ed Schulz. >So the Jeff Kline comment about WAZN not running it meant that the >shows are going to 1510 instead of 1470. >I thought maybe one show (Miller) would be added but they're adding three. >The WWZN signal is probably fairly easy to get by day but not so at >night (is that where Cedric Maxwell got his "quack, >quack" expression from? "the signal's so weak only the ducks in the >ocean can get it?") but it's something at least. It may >take awhile for the WWZN site, etc. to be updated. Here's something that I've wondered about for a year or so: how is it that WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly, MA got the ok for a non-directional output of 30,000 watts from local sunrise until local sunset, on a frequency dotted with signals in the northeat, including one in nearby Long Island, NY, and a litter farther away in the Finger Lakes region of the same state...BUT WWZN-AM must broadcast with a somewhat tightened DA pattern during critical hours, i.e. until two hours after local sunrise and two hours before local sunset. Now that there's something worth listening to on that station, maybe they should consider applying for full daytime pattern from LS-to-LS. -- It's News. It's Reviews. It's Interviews. It's Free. What Are You Waiting For? www.movieline.com From markwats@comcast.net Tue Apr 28 19:17:01 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:17:01 -0400 Subject: More Clear Channel Cuts Today, 590 People Let Go Message-ID: <2047297C5F2A423D9C223ABA33D8BB36@Mark> Clear Channel has let another 590 employees go today, just over three months after the "Inauguration Day" layoffs. The cuts were made in programming, on-air talent, engineering, and various business office departments. Among the air talent let go in our area according to All Access, WERZ Exeter morning team Ralphie Marino & Suzanne Lewis and afternoon host Glen Turner. No mention of any cuts at CC's Boston stations at this time. Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Apr 28 20:57:39 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:57:39 -0500 Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? Message-ID: <4fc429770904281757g3749a291h9faa509a07fff1c6@mail.gmail.com> The NY Times is trying to unload the 17.75% of the Red Sox and NESN they own and it seems only one party is interested and to make it happen the Globe may be thrown in as part of the deal. YIKES http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idUKN2854670520090428 From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 06:30:17 2009 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? Message-ID: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Tue, 4/28/09, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The NY Times is trying to unload the > 17.75% of the Red Sox and NESN they own > and it seems only one party is interested and to make it > happen the Globe > may be thrown in as part of the deal. YIKES > > http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idUKN2854670520090428 NYT officials pretty much dispelled this rumour (in homage to Donna and the Brits) last week or the week before, can't remember which. Then again, continually more desperate times may call for desperate measures. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 08:22:44 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? In-Reply-To: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <361158.476.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't think it's fair to say that there are no interested parties for the Sox share. It's more accurate to say they're not interested in the deal the way it's currently structured by the NY Times. For example, Comcast would like to buy all or even part of NESN, but they don't want the Globe (if it were to be part of the deal)?or part of the Sox. I'm sure there are others who would like a stake in the Sox but are passing because it's not the majority or controlling interest. Maureen From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 29 09:22:55 2009 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:22:55 -0400 Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? In-Reply-To: <361158.476.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <361158.476.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18936.21679.475376.159810@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > in the deal the way it's currently structured by the NY Times. For > example, Comcast would like to buy all or even part of NESN, but > they don't want the Globe (if it were to be part of the deal)?or > part of the Sox. The Robertses only want Philadelphia sports franchises? -GAWollman From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 09:34:08 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? In-Reply-To: <18936.21679.475376.159810@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <361158.476.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18936.21679.475376.159810@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4182.98553.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They're selling the 76ers. They care more about controlling content at this point as a way of guaranting product, and the 17.5% isn't controlling interest in the team. If it were, or if John Henry were willing to cede certain areas to a new investor it would get more interest. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 29 10:09:05 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:09:05 -0500 Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? In-Reply-To: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904290709x49a966d6gd4eb825238e61009@mail.gmail.com> I now think the May 1 drop dead day may well be more real than anyone suspected.Red Sox will not sell NESN anytime soon so Comcast is out there.Comcast does not show any inclination of doing what Dolan did buying Newsday last year. The Times needs cash now and the Sox may be the only option. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 29 10:08:55 2009 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:08:55 -0500 Subject: Red Sox may buy the Globe?????? In-Reply-To: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <481276.50727.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770904290708m41d23c23oba9a6dcbc36f85f1@mail.gmail.com> I now think the May 1 drop dead deadline may well be more real than anyone suspected.Red Sox will not sell NESN anytime soon so Comcast is out there.Comcast does not show any inclination of doing what Dolan did buying Newsday last year. The Times needs cash now and the Sox may be the only option. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Apr 29 13:40:56 2009 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (Dave Tomm) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:40:56 -0400 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? In-Reply-To: References: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <66268ED2-A85D-4612-AB33-9804D50EF044@charter.net> The last rumor I saw was that it will flip to Spanish religious, not a general interest Tropical format like WORC's. -D On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > Doesn't WORC have an all-Spanish format? If so, what do you think > will be the niche WNEB is seeking for its programming? Doesn't seem > it could compete very well against WORC's 5-kw signal. > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Apr 29 13:48:06 2009 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:48:06 -0600 Subject: WNEB to Spanish? In-Reply-To: <66268ED2-A85D-4612-AB33-9804D50EF044@charter.net> References: <20090424144832.3A53FCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <66268ED2-A85D-4612-AB33-9804D50EF044@charter.net> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904291048k15d9138aub9e1f9fafba47c81@mail.gmail.com> I think that makes more sense, and is actually a very good idea. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Dave Tomm wrote: > The last rumor I saw was that it will flip to Spanish religious, not a > general interest Tropical format like WORC's. > > -D > > > On Apr 24, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Doug Drown wrote: > > Doesn't WORC have an all-Spanish format? If so, what do you think will be >> the niche WNEB is seeking for its programming? Doesn't seem it could >> compete very well against WORC's 5-kw signal. >> >> From markwats@comcast.net Wed Apr 29 19:25:52 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:25:52 -0400 Subject: More Clear Channel Cuts Today, 590 People Let Go References: <2047297C5F2A423D9C223ABA33D8BB36@Mark> Message-ID: Mark Watson wrote: > Clear Channel has let another 590 employees go today, just over three > months after the "Inauguration Day" layoffs. A few more familiar names on the layoff list today from All Access: WSNE morning host Tad Lemire and WSNE/WWBB PD Chris Duggan, WHEB night host Jason "JR" Russell, former WHOB Nashua PD Erick Anderson was let go from WKGS Rochester NY and Jimmy Roberts let go from WOLZ in Ft. Myers FL. Is this the same Jimmy Roberts who was on both the 98.5 & 105.7 incarnations of WROR? Mark Watson From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Apr 29 20:50:12 2009 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:50:12 -0400 Subject: WNSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8BD84.1946.F6E3480@kwillcox.wnsh.com> Thanks for the mention. WNSH was able to increase power when WPEP AM 1570 Taunton, 1 KW nd went off the air. The engineering was thorough and available on FCC.gov. As to content, we welcome additional talk outlets as the best antidote to poor news coverage. Talk radio has important news that contains details about the government take over of the medical system, the new cap and trade crushing tax, and the fact that those paper masks people are buying are useless against this virus, (You need to get a paint respirator from Home Depot), that COMEX gold futures are not backed by anywhere near enough gold, and that stock brokers routinely refuse to deliver stocks to their customers, giving only an IOU(without telling the customer). The broker goes broke, the customer is out of the money, and the recent Rasmussen shows Republicans in the lead for a generic congress vote. Oh, the main stream media is all abuzz about Michelle's sleveless style, the White House dog, and a history of MIT pranks. Talk Radio from the right and the left is a chance to hear serious news in detail. Live talk radio has the additional disinfectant of allowing different viewpoints in realtime. Nothing would be better for this market than a good non-NPR source of progressive ideas pace Jim Braude. Sincerely, Keating Willcox WNSH AM 1570 Women's Talk Radio, For Women, By Women From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 30 03:09:16 2009 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 7:09:16 +0000 Subject: More Clear Channel Cuts Today, 590 People Let Go In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090430070916.AQ9K9.301971.root@hrndva-web20-z02> ---- Mark Watson wrote: > Clear Channel has let another 590 employees go today, just over three > > months after the "Inauguration Day" layoffs. > > A few more familiar names on the layoff list today from All Access: > > WSNE morning host Tad Lemire and WSNE/WWBB PD Chris Duggan, WHEB night host > Jason "JR" Russell, former WHOB Nashua PD Erick Anderson was let go from > WKGS Rochester NY and Jimmy Roberts let go from WOLZ in Ft. Myers FL. Is > this the same Jimmy Roberts who was on both the 98.5 & 105.7 incarnations of > WROR? > Yes, that's the same Jimmy Roberts. Jim had gone south to WOLZ as the PD of Oldies 95 in Ft.Myers. That building also housed, for a time, Harry Bud Nelson (Jimmy's old WROR pd) as the midday guy on the country station. --Chuck Igo From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 30 06:50:22 2009 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:50:22 -0400 Subject: WBZ (AM) simulcast on WODS (FM) HD-3 Message-ID: <92D9BF293A964F659D3228A13A11D091@SatU205S5044> Does WBZ (AM)'s simulcast on WODS (FM) HD-3 continue during the overnight hours? If so, is it simply my lack of attentiveness that is to blame for my failure to hear the ("legal"?) ID of the FM HD-3 stream, or does WBZ not ID the FM HD-3 stream during the overnights? During the day, for reasons I don't understand, WBZ ID's the FM HD-3 stream separately from the the ID for the AM analog and AM HD streams, which occur right AT the TOH. The FM HD-3 ID airs between one and two minues earlier--between :58 and :59. WBZ appears to follow this protocol every day from 5:58AM to midnight, but if they also follow it from 12:58AM to 4:58AM, I have not noticed the FM HD-3 IDs during Steve LeVeille's program (err, Broadcast). If I've been asleep at the switch (so to speak), so be it. But if there is another reason, can somebody explain it? Thanks. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 11:35:18 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ (AM) simulcast on WODS (FM) HD-3 In-Reply-To: <92D9BF293A964F659D3228A13A11D091@SatU205S5044> References: <92D9BF293A964F659D3228A13A11D091@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <447433.66387.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I noticed during the Bruins games the legal ID is given as "WBZ-HD Boston and WODS HD-3". Otherwise I have never heard them read together. I much say I'm enjoying listening to WBZ on HD. I only wish Entercom would do that for WEEI and WRKO. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 12:11:03 2009 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WBZ (AM) simulcast on WODS (FM) HD-3 In-Reply-To: <4A35897D192A48A5957CA34180DC21A7@SatU205S5044> References: <92D9BF293A964F659D3228A13A11D091@SatU205S5044> <447433.66387.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A35897D192A48A5957CA34180DC21A7@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <943716.62617.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's so easy to remember they aren't "pure" Boston signals. WEEI and WRKO come in so bad in Metrowest it still might not be a bad idea to put them on HD. WRKO has had real bad interference around 6PM (when I'm coming through Wellesely and Natick)?lately that it's unlistenable in the car and I often tune in 103.7 to hear the Celtics and Sox. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Apr 30 17:10:37 2009 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:10:37 -0400 Subject: WTKK's Jay Severin Suspended Indefinitely Message-ID: <98417F5BA3B94D2CA590E77C6BCA1499@Mark> The Boston Globe reports that WTKK talk show host Jay Severin has been suspended indefinitely for remarks made about Mexicans and the swine flu on his show on Monday. Station management have received many complaints about Severin's remarks. Link to the Globe article, along with audio of the portion of the show containing the remarks: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/_jay_severin.html Mark Watson From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Apr 30 16:47:16 2009 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Severin suspended, per Boston.com. Message-ID: <331244.81728.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Any chance this is the last hurrah for him? http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/_jay_severin.html From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 30 16:44:21 2009 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:44:21 -0500 Subject: WTKK suspends Severin for comments about Mexicans Message-ID: <20090430204421.984BBCD81FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> WTKK has suspended Jay Severin; complaints about remarks re: swine flu and Mexicans. http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/_jay_severin.html From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Apr 30 20:15:59 2009 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:15:59 -0400 Subject: WTKK's Jay Severin Suspended Indefinitely In-Reply-To: <98417F5BA3B94D2CA590E77C6BCA1499@Mark> References: <98417F5BA3B94D2CA590E77C6BCA1499@Mark> Message-ID: <49FA3F3F.3000900@gabrielmass.com> The audio clip has Severin speaking of "criminaliens" crossing the border, as described here: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/30/radio_host_suspended_for_criminaliens_remark_1241133030/ but to my ear that's not an ethnic slur. Severin likes to call undocumented aliens "criminals" on the basis that their entry into the country is unlawful. I don't listen to Severin's show (the preening surpasses even Dylan Ratigan), but this seems to be a bum rap. --RC