From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Wed Sep  3 16:07:59 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:07:59 -0400
Subject: PPM vs Minorities
Message-ID: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>

R&R just noted:

 >>NABOB has joined other minority-interest groups by filing a petition 
with the FCC calling for
 >>an investigation into Arbitron's PPM.

As I understand it, with the PPM, minorities' listening habits don't 
match those reported under the diary system.

It would appear that the results are significantly different.  Which I 
would expect, since the PPM is supposed to be a better measurement based 
on actual listening vs what a diary-keeper can remember.

So, what's their beef?  Are they claiming that diaries are statistically 
better than the PPM and that Arbitron has created an electronic device 
that discriminates against minorities?

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Sep  3 16:32:17 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:32:17 -0400
Subject: PPM vs Minorities
In-Reply-To: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
References: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <18622.62545.6984.478746@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:07:59 -0400, Roger Kirk <rogerkirk@ttlc.net> said:

> It would appear that the results are significantly different.  Which I 
> would expect, since the PPM is supposed to be a better measurement based 
> on actual listening vs what a diary-keeper can remember.

Let's be careful here.

The PPM doesn't measure listening, it measures exposure.
The diary doesn't measure listening, it measures recall.

Listening is what advertisers and broadcasters actually care about,
but it's nigh-impossible to measure under non-laboratory conditions.
So they measure something else which they have reason to believe is
positively correlated with listening.  The early results are fairly
clear that people have more exposure to radio than they can recall,
but it's not obvious to me how much of that additional exposure is
background noise versus actual listening that went unrecorded.

(There is a long history of problems with the diary method where
survey participants would recall stations with strong imaging even
when their actual listening was minimal.)

-GAWollman


From paul@derrynh.net  Wed Sep  3 18:06:51 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:06:51 -0400
Subject: WWHK 102.3 Concord NH Update
References: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
	<18622.62545.6984.478746@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000401c90e11$5f851580$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB>

As of today, Sept 3rd, they have switched to Classical Music (was still 
playing rock at 2AM, but by 5PM had switched)

Still all automated with no liners, jocks or comercials and the same voice 
doing the auto TOH ID, still as WWHK Concord.

Purging, maybe?

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH 


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Wed Sep  3 20:08:06 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Fwd: Re: PPM vs Minorities]
Message-ID: <48BF26E6.2070105@ttlc.net>

Garrett Wollman wrote:

> The PPM doesn't measure listening, it measures exposure.
> The diary doesn't measure listening, it measures recall.
>   
Can I assume that Arbitron (doing due diligence) would have randomly 
selected participants to wear a PPM and fill out a diary?  To measure what 
correlation may exist betwixt exposure and recall?

> Listening is what advertisers and broadcasters actually care about,
> but it's nigh-impossible to measure under non-laboratory conditions.
> So they measure something else which they have reason to believe is
> positively correlated with listening.  The early results are fairly
> clear that people have more exposure to radio than they can recall,
> but it's not obvious to me how much of that additional exposure is
> background noise versus actual listening that went unrecorded.
>
> (There is a long history of problems with the diary method where
> survey participants would recall stations with strong imaging even
> when their actual listening was minimal.)
>   
I worked with a woman who never failed to remind us (on a daily basis) 
of how much she enjoyed listening every daya to her "favorite DJ" on 
WCOZ.  Regardless of the fact that said DJ had left the Boston Market 
some 6-12 months earlier.



From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Sep  3 20:19:55 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:19:55 -0500
Subject: PPM vs Minorities
In-Reply-To: <18622.62545.6984.478746@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
	<18622.62545.6984.478746@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809031719q5b2a19abh52fe8ddc705e8ce6@mail.gmail.com>

I remember 40 years ago when the ratings showed a blip for WDAS. Only
problem was the station was in Philadelphia.

(confused with WCAS perhaps)

One thing I am curious on. Will we now get a rating for the college
stations in the area? I suspect WBUR would show very well in the
daytime and I suspect WERS would also make a blip.

From mike@miscon.net  Thu Sep  4 10:41:09 2008
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:41:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: PPM vs Minorities
In-Reply-To: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
References: <48BEEE9F.4080808@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <.132.185.144.120.1220539269.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>



> R&R just noted: 
> 
> >>NABOB has joined
other minority-interest groups by filing a petition 
> with the
FCC calling for 
> >>an investigation into Arbitron's
PPM.?

Not unheard of... same claim against Neilsen when
the LPM's were being rolled out, IIRC.

Mike

(I seem
to recall the meters being thrown into a local waterway by a minority
community, with some people claiming they felt it was a way for the
government to monitor them; but I cannot find reference to it now)

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Thu Sep  4 13:28:01 2008
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:28:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: PPM vs Minorities
Message-ID: <32510631.1220549281771.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> One thing I am curious on. Will we now get a rating 
> for the college stations in the area? I suspect WBUR 
> would show very well in the daytime and I suspect WERS 
> would also make a blip.

The non-comms have been rated by Arbitron right along,
but those ratings are not published to the general 
public along with the commercial ratings.

I was going to say that you can view the 12+ ratings 
for subscribing non-comms at http://www.rrconline.org
but the site appears to have gone completely down and 
quit responding just the moment after I accessed the 
home page. Perhaps it might start working again later.
It seems like it's always been a very intermittent site.

EP





From markwats@comcast.net  Thu Sep  4 18:14:44 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:14:44 -0400
Subject: Lowell Sun Columnist Discovers Music On WCAP
Message-ID: <003401c90edb$a3f4b5c0$0302a8c0@Mark>

  Chris Camire, a reporter for the Lowell Sun, penned a column which 
appeared in Thursday's "Steppin' Out" weekend entertainment guide in the 
Sun. The column is about how he stopped listening to music on the radio as 
there was too much of the same songs over and over, and one night he 
stumbled upon WCAP's "Beatles and Before", which features 50's and 60's 
hits. Sounds like he's enjoying hearing the oldies that most oldies stations 
have discarded.

   You can read the column at the following link:

http://www.lowellsun.com/steppinout/ci_10378689

Mark Watson




From ewerme@comcast.net  Thu Sep  4 19:57:23 2008
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Thu,  4 Sep 2008 19:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WWHK 102.3 Concord NH Update
Message-ID: <20080904235723.B66605D729@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>

> As of today, Sept 3rd, they have switched to Classical Music (was still 
> playing rock at 2AM, but by 5PM had switched)

> Still all automated with no liners, jocks or comercials and the same voice 
> doing the auto TOH ID, still as WWHK Concord.

They seem to be off the air (no carrier) at the moment.

I also don't seem able to get WCNH-LP (94.7 Hooksett), at all but it's poor at
best at home, I'll have to check them on the way to work tomorrow.  For a
moment there I though that WCNH might be taking over, unlikely as that would
be.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 20:35:22 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:35:22 -0400
Subject: WWHK 102.3 Concord NH Update
In-Reply-To: <20080904235723.B66605D729@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
References: <20080904235723.B66605D729@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809041735p3aeab4a9wd43841a41793ad19@mail.gmail.com>

WCNH-Lp is actually licensed to Concord.

Paul



On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Ric Werme <ewerme@comcast.net> wrote:

> > As of today, Sept 3rd, they have switched to Classical Music (was still
> > playing rock at 2AM, but by 5PM had switched)
>
> > Still all automated with no liners, jocks or comercials and the same
> voice
> > doing the auto TOH ID, still as WWHK Concord.
>
> They seem to be off the air (no carrier) at the moment.
>
> I also don't seem able to get WCNH-LP (94.7 Hooksett), at all but it's poor
> at
> best at home, I'll have to check them on the way to work tomorrow.  For a
> moment there I though that WCNH might be taking over, unlikely as that
> would
> be.
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 17:49:46 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:49:46 -0400
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In Foxboro
Message-ID: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>

  An article in Saturday's Boston Herald about WBZ-TV's coverage of the 
grand opening of the CBS Scene Restaurant at Gilette Stadium in Foxboro. 
Seems WBZ-TV didn't spring to send any reporters to cover either political 
convention this year, but provided extensive coverage of the upcoming CBS 
Scene opening, including originating newscasts from inside the restaurant 
and Saturday night broadcasting a live opening night red carpet special 
hosted by news anchors Jack Williams and Lisa Hughes. Emily Rooney discussed 
this on last night's "Beat The Press" on WGBH-TV, saying that WBZ has 
"forfeited" their news judgement. Link to the Herald article:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1117309

   Note that the CBS Scene is a joint venture of CBS, owners of WBZ, and the 
Kraft Group.

Mark Watson


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sat Sep  6 18:18:21 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:21 -0400
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In
	Foxboro
In-Reply-To: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>

I didn't see BTP this week but I'm with Emily on this one.  If WBZ-TV  
just did the special, I would've had less of a problem with it, since  
the news department is the station's only on-air representatives.   
However, this restaurant has been a full blown "news story" for the  
last few days on all of their newscasts.  They have obviously  
mentioned the station's ties to CBS Scene in their reports, but  
still, it's not news.  The station should have run promos for the  
special during commercial breaks inside the newscasts, but without  
using the anchors.  It would have essentially done the job without  
blurring the line between news and marketing.  It's a shame that they  
sold out their journalistic integrity in the name of "corporate  
promotion and synergies."

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Mark Watson wrote:

>  An article in Saturday's Boston Herald about WBZ-TV's coverage of  
> the grand opening of the CBS Scene Restaurant at Gilette Stadium in  
> Foxboro. Seems WBZ-TV didn't spring to send any reporters to cover  
> either political convention this year, but provided extensive  
> coverage of the upcoming CBS Scene opening, including originating  
> newscasts from inside the restaurant and Saturday night  
> broadcasting a live opening night red carpet special hosted by news  
> anchors Jack Williams and Lisa Hughes. Emily Rooney discussed this  
> on last night's "Beat The Press" on WGBH-TV, saying that WBZ has  
> "forfeited" their news judgement. Link to the Herald article:
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg? 
> articleid=1117309
>
>   Note that the CBS Scene is a joint venture of CBS, owners of WBZ,  
> and the Kraft Group.
>
> Mark Watson
>


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Sep  6 18:51:50 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:51:50 -0400
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In
	Foxboro
In-Reply-To: <3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>
References: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>
Message-ID: <48C30986.9040302@gabrielmass.com>

David Tomm wrote:
> They have obviously mentioned the 
> station's ties to CBS Scene in their reports, but still, it's not news.  
> The station should have run promos for the special during commercial 
> breaks inside the newscasts, but without using the anchors.  It would 
> have essentially done the job without blurring the line between news and 
> marketing.  It's a shame that they sold out their journalistic integrity 
> in the name of "corporate promotion and synergies."


They do that routinely, whenever they waste news time on promotional 
interviews with the stars of CBS shows.   Or did that stop when they 
laid off Joyce Kulhawik?

--RC


From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 22:06:26 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:06:26 -0500
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In
	Foxboro
In-Reply-To: <3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>
References: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809061906p8ff2367q7e967b5b2a403b66@mail.gmail.com>

We went through this when they signed the lease with the Krafts last winter.

Obviously Sports Final and 5th Quarter will use the studio space after
the game tomorrow.

I do know morale at 1170 is at an all time low. I am just astounded
that CBS who does local news on radio so well appears clueless on
doing the same on the TV side. This is not a Boston problem as the
same issues apply in Philly, NYC, Chicago, SF, Pittsburgh and LA.

One problem that 4 and 5 have and to a lessor extent 7 is news is
expensive to produce compared to channel 25 because of union contracts
that WFXT doesn't have.

Channel 4 fumbled things with Hazel Mae as she would have brought some
younger viewers back.

On 9/6/08, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> I didn't see BTP this week but I'm with Emily on this one.  If WBZ-TV
> just did the special, I would've had less of a problem with it, since
> the news department is the station's only on-air representatives.
> However, this restaurant has been a full blown "news story" for the
> last few days on all of their newscasts.  They have obviously
> mentioned the station's ties to CBS Scene in their reports, but
> still, it's not news.  The station should have run promos for the
> special during commercial breaks inside the newscasts, but without
> using the anchors.  It would have essentially done the job without
> blurring the line between news and marketing.  It's a shame that they
> sold out their journalistic integrity in the name of "corporate
> promotion and synergies."
>
> -Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Mark Watson wrote:
>
>>  An article in Saturday's Boston Herald about WBZ-TV's coverage of
>> the grand opening of the CBS Scene Restaurant at Gilette Stadium in
>> Foxboro. Seems WBZ-TV didn't spring to send any reporters to cover
>> either political convention this year, but provided extensive
>> coverage of the upcoming CBS Scene opening, including originating
>> newscasts from inside the restaurant and Saturday night
>> broadcasting a live opening night red carpet special hosted by news
>> anchors Jack Williams and Lisa Hughes. Emily Rooney discussed this
>> on last night's "Beat The Press" on WGBH-TV, saying that WBZ has
>> "forfeited" their news judgement. Link to the Herald article:
>>
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?
>> articleid=1117309
>>
>>   Note that the CBS Scene is a joint venture of CBS, owners of WBZ,
>> and the Kraft Group.
>>
>> Mark Watson
>>
>
>

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Sep  6 22:17:06 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:17:06 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
Message-ID: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>

WEEI debuted in Maine on September 1st.  They are on 95.5/95.9 in southern 
Maine and 97.1/910 in Bangor.

The morning show really is hideous.  Is that what passes for major market 
these days?  I do like Dale & Holley.

Today, 95.5/95.9 was carrying Sporting News Radio, while 97.1 was running 
Fox Sports Radio, which I guess WEEI uses on the weekends and overnights. 
95.5/95.9 could not carry Fox Sports because it is on 970 WZAN Portland on 
the weekends.

I also noticed that the network stations in Maine were not carrying the BC 
football game which was on 850.  I wonder why that was? 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sat Sep  6 23:28:03 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:28:03 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>
References: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <E111EB53-2AEB-4670-871B-6C1BA64DEF6A@charter.net>

Normally only 850 carries BC.   Providence and Worcester occasionally  
run games, but not often.  I don't know about Springfield.  My guess  
is that there's not a lot of audience for BC sports outside of  
Eastern Mass.   Either that or the BC rights only cover 850 and  
limited games on Worcester and Providence.

I know a lot of people who listen to WEEI, but not in the morning.   
D&C essentially have the extreme wingnut audience that would normally  
listen to WRKO if it wasn't for Finneran.  They also inherited much  
of Howard Stern's listenership once he defected to satellite.  Jerry  
Callahan is so far to the right that he makes most rational thinking  
conservatives look like Ted Kennedy.  His act wears thin quickly and  
John Dennis is a humorless empty suit, but they have their audience.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Dan Billings wrote:

> WEEI debuted in Maine on September 1st.  They are on 95.5/95.9 in  
> southern Maine and 97.1/910 in Bangor.
>
> The morning show really is hideous.  Is that what passes for major  
> market these days?  I do like Dale & Holley.
>
> Today, 95.5/95.9 was carrying Sporting News Radio, while 97.1 was  
> running Fox Sports Radio, which I guess WEEI uses on the weekends  
> and overnights. 95.5/95.9 could not carry Fox Sports because it is  
> on 970 WZAN Portland on the weekends.
>
> I also noticed that the network stations in Maine were not carrying  
> the BC football game which was on 850.  I wonder why that was?


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 23:44:56 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <E111EB53-2AEB-4670-871B-6C1BA64DEF6A@charter.net>
Message-ID: <572129.92438.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Sat, 9/6/08, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> Normally only 850 carries BC.   Providence and Worcester
> occasionally  
> run games, but not often.  I don't know about
> Springfield.  My guess  
> is that there's not a lot of audience for BC sports
> outside of  
> Eastern Mass.   Either that or the BC rights only cover 850
> and  
> limited games on Worcester and Providence.

BC football airs in Providence and was on 103.7 today. BC basketball does not (103.7 has rights to Providence College hoops, so I presume that's the reason), but it did a couple years ago before they were airing PC games.

Another possible issue: WEEI doesn't own the BC broadcast rights. ISP Sports does, and 850 is the flagship.


      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 22:30:52 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:30:52 -0500
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>
References: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809061930m35034f4ftf1fa0938c8e57deb@mail.gmail.com>

BC Sports is actually a seperate network run by ISP Sports and WEEI is
simply an affiliate. I believe ISP has stations in Maine.



On 9/6/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> WEEI debuted in Maine on September 1st.  They are on 95.5/95.9 in southern
> Maine and 97.1/910 in Bangor.
>
> The morning show really is hideous.  Is that what passes for major market
> these days?  I do like Dale & Holley.
>
> Today, 95.5/95.9 was carrying Sporting News Radio, while 97.1 was running
> Fox Sports Radio, which I guess WEEI uses on the weekends and overnights.
> 95.5/95.9 could not carry Fox Sports because it is on 970 WZAN Portland on
> the weekends.
>
> I also noticed that the network stations in Maine were not carrying the BC
> football game which was on 850.  I wonder why that was?
>
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 02:34:19 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 02:34:19 -0400
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant
	InFoxboro
References: <003601c9106a$7b562230$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<3E5D2CE5-7F2F-42CD-B5B3-319B46BEAC4B@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A5B77BA6D75743E9974C47ADEF0E8D46@MainXPPro>




> If WBZ-TV  just did the special, I would've had less of a problem with it, 
> since  the news department is the station's only on-air representatives. 
> However, this restaurant has been a full blown "news story" for the  last 
> few days on all of their newscasts.

On Saturday I happenned to be in Boston, and I heard a female jock on CBS's 
Oldies 103.3 going on and on about it.

So it appears the crosspromotion extends to CBS radio as well as TV.




From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 13:17:14 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant
	InFoxboro
In-Reply-To: <A5B77BA6D75743E9974C47ADEF0E8D46@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <844674.64003.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 9/7/08, Don A <donald_astelle@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If WBZ-TV  just did the special, I would've had
> less of a problem with it, 
> > since  the news department is the station's only
> on-air representatives. 
> > However, this restaurant has been a full blown
> "news story" for the  last 
> > few days on all of their newscasts.
> 
> On Saturday I happenned to be in Boston, and I heard a
> female jock on CBS's 
> Oldies 103.3 going on and on about it.
> 
> So it appears the crosspromotion extends to CBS radio as
> well as TV.

They've plugged it twice on the national Pats telecast already, and we're not even five minutes into the first quarter.


      

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Sep  7 13:41:26 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:41:26 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809061930m35034f4ftf1fa0938c8e57deb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8F15941C2E654CDBA2B52AB71E5C197B@DanBillingsPC>
	<4fc429770809061930m35034f4ftf1fa0938c8e57deb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DA968F4147B46D1A643F89E8719E626@DanBillingsPC>

Does WEEI not have some sort of football pre-game show on Sunday mornings?

This morning 95.5/95.9 in southern Maine were carrying Sporting News Radio 
(which was also on 96.3/1440). 


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 13:53:08 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:53:08 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <6DA968F4147B46D1A643F89E8719E626@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <2A534187B07945BA91BFA2CCDDD124E4@DHPP0DB1>

> Does WEEI not have some sort of football pre-game show on Sunday mornings?
> 
> This morning 95.5/95.9 in southern Maine were carrying Sporting News Radio
> (which was also on 96.3/1440).

They do, starting at 9 AM, were you listening before that?

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA 


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 13:47:38 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <6DA968F4147B46D1A643F89E8719E626@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <50171.96687.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 9/7/08, Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
> Does WEEI not have some sort of football pre-game show on
> Sunday mornings?
> 
> This morning 95.5/95.9 in southern Maine were carrying
> Sporting News Radio 
> (which was also on 96.3/1440).

That's weird. Was it a technical issue?

I didn't listen today ... but last year they had a show with Greg Dickerson and Steve Nelson on Sunday mornings. 


      

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Sep  7 15:08:02 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:08:02 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <2A534187B07945BA91BFA2CCDDD124E4@DHPP0DB1>
References: <2A534187B07945BA91BFA2CCDDD124E4@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <BDD7B013FE5147D48060FC22A6FE99BA@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
To: "'Dan Billings'" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "'Kevin Vahey'" 
<kvahey@comcast.net>; "'(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest'" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: WEEI radio network in Maine

> They do, starting at 9 AM, were you listening before that?

I tuned into 95.5 at 11:50 a.m. and they were running Sporting News Radio.

What does WEEI have on now?




From lglavin@mail.com  Sun Sep  7 14:38:19 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:38:19 -0500
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In
	Foxboro
Message-ID: <20080907183819.6789B47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Tomm" 
>To: "Mark Watson" 
>Subject: Re: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In Foxboro
>Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:21 -0400

>I didn't see BTP this week but I'm with Emily on this one.
>-Dave Tomm
>"Mike Thomas"


I was fairly upset with Comcast for moving MSNBC from basic cable to a 
digital tier, forcing ne to install a digital "starter" box (which,
however, for one year is without a monthly fee).  But one of the benefits of
this setup is the availabiltiy of certain TV channels on-demand at no
charge.  Selected shows on channel  2, local and PBS, can be viewed at any
time for a few days thereafter, inclding "Beat the Press".  If you have Comcast, 
and by chance a digital box, this feature may be on your system too.


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From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Sep  7 15:39:40 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:39:40 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <A27A7535A81C4BDF9DCA4D6A8F4B9BE8@DHPP0DB1>
References: <A27A7535A81C4BDF9DCA4D6A8F4B9BE8@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <D9ADD82291174055940FA7FC9343A448@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
To: "'Dan Billings'" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "'Kevin Vahey'" 
<kvahey@comcast.net>; "'(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest'" 
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: WEEI radio network in Maine

> 850 has Fox Sports Radio on right now. As soon as the Patriots game ends,
> they'll have their local "Real Post Game Show."

95.5 is simulcasting the Sox game from 96.3/1440, including promos for shows 
that are only on the Big Jab (96.3/1440).

Weird.


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 15:13:10 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:13:10 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <BDD7B013FE5147D48060FC22A6FE99BA@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <A27A7535A81C4BDF9DCA4D6A8F4B9BE8@DHPP0DB1>

> What does WEEI have on now?

850 has Fox Sports Radio on right now. As soon as the Patriots game ends,
they'll have their local "Real Post Game Show."

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Sep  7 15:56:21 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:56:21 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <D9ADD82291174055940FA7FC9343A448@DanBillingsPC>
References: <A27A7535A81C4BDF9DCA4D6A8F4B9BE8@DHPP0DB1>
	<D9ADD82291174055940FA7FC9343A448@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <0K6U004G7CPVK2U3@asmtp019.mac.com>

At 03:39 PM 9/7/2008, Dan Billings wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
>To: "'Dan Billings'" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "'Kevin Vahey'" 
><kvahey@comcast.net>; "'(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest'" 
><boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:13 PM
>Subject: RE: WEEI radio network in Maine
>
>>850 has Fox Sports Radio on right now. As soon as the Patriots game ends,
>>they'll have their local "Real Post Game Show."
>
>95.5 is simulcasting the Sox game from 96.3/1440, including promos 
>for shows that are only on the Big Jab (96.3/1440).
>
>Weird.

Weird or incompetent?  They probably have only one promotions person 
making and scheduling promos for a number of stations.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Sep  7 17:07:24 2008
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:07:24 -0400
Subject: WEEI radio network in Maine
In-Reply-To: <0K6U004G7CPVK2U3@asmtp019.mac.com>
References: <A27A7535A81C4BDF9DCA4D6A8F4B9BE8@DHPP0DB1><D9ADD82291174055940FA7FC9343A448@DanBillingsPC>
	<0K6U004G7CPVK2U3@asmtp019.mac.com>
Message-ID: <3BCCB686AC3D4BEEB9E94929C4AFDCCD@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: "' Boston-Radio-Interest'" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: WEEI radio network in Maine


> Weird or incompetent?  They probably have only one promotions person 
> making and scheduling promos for a number of stations.

It is weird that they are actually simulcasting The Big Jab.  It is not a 
matter of running the wrong promos.  The whole audio feed is from the other 
station.



From kenwvt@gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 18:29:56 2008
From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:29:56 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the analog
	transmitters in Feb ?
Message-ID: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious, does anyone know what the average monthly electric bill
is for a TV station in Boston ? How much will they save when they turn
off the analog transmitter ?
Will the savings be eaten up by upping the digital power output as I
understand some stations will do ?

Thanks,

Ken

From kenwvt@gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 18:27:20 2008
From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:27:20 -0400
Subject: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In
	Foxboro
In-Reply-To: <20080907183819.6789B47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080907183819.6789B47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <647737520809071527x5e860d01m38bc85f9bb79d213@mail.gmail.com>

I wish comcast would dump analog all together, in Boston where analog
is already gone they have over 60 HD channels, here in the burbs we
only get 20 something channels in HD. I do understand that there are
many people with analog tv and no boxes, perhaps the Digital TV
adapters (DTA) Comcast has coming out this fall will help with the
problem.

-Ken

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David Tomm"
>>To: "Mark Watson"
>>Subject: Re: WBZ-TV's Coverage Of Grand Opening Of CBS Scene Restaurant In Foxboro
>>Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:21 -0400
>
>>I didn't see BTP this week but I'm with Emily on this one.
>>-Dave Tomm
>>"Mike Thomas"
>
>
> I was fairly upset with Comcast for moving MSNBC from basic cable to a
> digital tier, forcing ne to install a digital "starter" box (which,
> however, for one year is without a monthly fee).  But one of the benefits of
> this setup is the availabiltiy of certain TV channels on-demand at no
> charge.  Selected shows on channel  2, local and PBS, can be viewed at any
> time for a few days thereafter, inclding "Beat the Press".  If you have Comcast,
> and by chance a digital box, this feature may be on your system too.
>
>
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From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Sep  7 19:23:07 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:23:07 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the analog
	transmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0K6U00BN7MAJ0190@asmtp014.mac.com>

At 06:29 PM 9/7/2008, Ken VanTassell wrote:

>Just curious, does anyone know what the average monthly electric bill
>is for a TV station in Boston ? How much will they save when they turn
>off the analog transmitter ?
>Will the savings be eaten up by upping the digital power output as I
>understand some stations will do ?

First of all, most stations are not running their digital signal at 
reduced power.  A few did when they first came on, but since nearly 
all TVs sold in the past few years are digital/HDTV sets, it would be 
ridiculous for any station to want to run reduced power.  Much of 
what you have heard about this is simply an urban legend.

As for how much power will be saved, I really don't have any idea of 
what is the number.  What I can say is the stations that will save 
the most will be those that remain on VHF, since VHF requires much 
less power than UHF.  At this point, nearly all stations (there are 
exceptions) have their digital signal on a UHF channel, those 
transmitters use a tremendous amount of power. (Again, don't ask me 
for a number!)   A solid state VHF digital transmitter uses a lot 
less power by comparison.

However, this all is a very small amount of the total budget to 
operate a TV station, I don't think you'll be seeing any stations 
turn off their analog signal early to save on the power bill.


Larry Weil
WHDH/WLVI Master Control
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 19:43:48 2008
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the analog
	transmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <895061.48645.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Take into consideration the modulation modes. With analog TV the power rating are "peak" power. The power levels in digital mode are constant, from the way understand it.

So 316kW peak analog  may be in the ballpark of 50kW constant power with digital. So the savings may not be what you think.

This is a casual observation, I sure somebody else will have a more accurate answer.


John B
N1QGS
Derry NH


From lglavin@mail.com  Sun Sep  7 15:51:47 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:51:47 -0500
Subject: Boston AM For Sale?
Message-ID: <20080907195147.8CE6032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

Since I'm not in the business, until now I was not aware of a website called

http://www.radiostationsforsale.net

until I ran across it on the Northern New England Board of radio-info.com.
It's apparently operated by a radio station brokerage firm here in Massachusetts,
and had oodles of listings for outlets hereabouts...the most interesting of which 
right now is an unnamed Boston AM WITH AN UPGRADE IN PROGRESS.  Hmmm...
that would seemingly apply to WKOX 1200, WRCA 1330 or WUNR 1600.  It 
will be interesting to see how this pans out.



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From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Sep  7 21:57:55 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:57:55 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the analog
	transmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Ken VanTassell" <kenwvt@gmail.com> said:

> Just curious, does anyone know what the average monthly electric bill
> is for a TV station in Boston ? How much will they save when they turn
> off the analog transmitter ?

The worst case is probably for a VHF-low station moving to the high
end of the UHF band.  Even though the 100 kW max ERP of a VHF-low
analog station is peak, rather than average, demand metering will see
the full load (perhaps 50 kW assuming several dB of antenna gain), not
to mention the continuous 10-kW aural carrier.  A business in Needham
that consumes 500 kW of electricity would pay $55,500 per month in the
winter and $59,500 per month in the summer.  By contrast, a business
that used only 50 kW of electricity would pay $6,500 in the winter and
$7,000 in the summer.

The best case is the opposite, an out-of-core UHF station moving to
the VHF-low band.  VHF-low digital ERPs are just a few kilowatts, and
the conversion efficiency of solid-state transmitters is excellent;
such stations could opt for a different rate plan entirely, perhaps
even dropping demand metering if the utility's tariff allows it.

There are many complications: currently, stations are paying for both
analog and digital transmitters.  If they are at different sites, they
may be paying different rates; if they are at the same site, the
additional power required to operate two transmitters (particularly
for U-to-U moves like 25/31 and 56/41 here in Boston) may bump the
station into a different rate bracket.  Multi-tenant sites also vary
in the way power is metered: some office buildings include power with
the rent, and tower cooperatives may buy power on behalf of their
members.  Then there is the matter of competitive power suppliers.

Ultimately, like Larry said, it is not likely to make a huge
difference for commercial broadcasters in good financial health.

-GAWollman

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Sep  8 08:08:05 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:08:05 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the
	analogtransmitters in Feb ?
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
	<18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>

There has to be a reason why so few low-band VHFs will be staying on
low-band VHF channels after Feb '09. Based on what appears to be
extremely low sensitivity on the low-band V channels of my Panasonic
DTV receiver (date of manufacture 4/08), the problem may lie in the
receivers or with the low permitted maximum power for DTV
transmissions on Channels 2 through 6. There are no DTV signals on
low-band V channels that I can check out, but based on the snow on the
analog signals on 2, 4, and 5 vs the pretty good analog reception on 7
and the very good analog reception on 25, 38, 44, and 56 as well as
the normally good DTV reception on "nominal" channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 25,
38, 44, 56, 62, 66, and 68 using a passive indoor rabbit-ears/loop
antenna, my guess is that if I needed to receive a low-band V DTV
signal on this receiver, I'd at least have to purchase an antenna
amplifier or an amplified antenna. I am located in Arlington Heights
maybe 1/2 mile north of Route 2 Exit 57, which is also maybe 1/2 mile
west of the top of Belmont hill. The TV is in a first-floor room.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Ken VanTassell" <kenwvt@gmail.com>
Cc: "B-R-I" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off the
analog transmitters in Feb ?


> <<On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Ken VanTassell"
> <kenwvt@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Just curious, does anyone know what the average monthly electric
>> bill
>> is for a TV station in Boston ? How much will they save when they
>> turn
>> off the analog transmitter ?
>
> The best case is the opposite, an out-of-core UHF station moving to
> the VHF-low band.  VHF-low digital ERPs are just a few kilowatts,
> and
> the conversion efficiency of solid-state transmitters is excellent;
> such stations could opt for a different rate plan entirely, perhaps
> even dropping demand metering if the utility's tariff allows it.
>
> -GAWollman


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 09:10:12 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:10:12 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off
	theanalogtransmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com><18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>

I must confess I was pleased when I recently set up my Sony DTV set. When
you first turn it on, it scans for analog and digital channels available
over the air. I have a rabbit ears antenna set up for the few occasions when
Comcast is off the air, but the reception with the rabbit ears has always
been very poor on analog channels (about 30 miles north of Boston). The set
scanned, and found all the Boston and NH digital stations and the reception
is just fine even with the rabbit ears. I have not noticed any loss of the
digital signal, even during the windy weather on the weekend.

Does anyone know if the analog/digital transition in Wilmington NC is
occurring as scheduled today?  There was some question about postponing the
transition because of the tropical storm.


 

 -using a passive indoor rabbit-ears/loop
-antenna, my guess is that if I needed to receive a low-band V DTV
-signal on this receiver, I'd at least have to purchase an antenna
-amplifier or an amplified antenna. I am located in Arlington Heights
-maybe 1/2 mile north of Route 2 Exit 57, which is also maybe 1/2 mile
-west of the top of Belmont hill. The TV is in a first-floor room.



From scott@fybush.com  Mon Sep  8 09:59:42 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:59:42 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn
	off	theanalogtransmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com><18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>
	<604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
Message-ID: <48C52FCE.3070300@fybush.com>

Jim Hall wrote:

> Does anyone know if the analog/digital transition in Wilmington NC is
> occurring as scheduled today?  There was some question about postponing the
> transition because of the tropical storm.

Still on schedule. The FCC is doing a panel discussion from Wilmington 
at 10:30 EDT - there'll be a webcast at fcc.gov.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 10:16:37 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:16:37 -0500
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off
	theanalogtransmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
	<18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>
	<604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809080716l76a117d6h58507096b90f70c4@mail.gmail.com>

A friend in Chicago who lives less than 4 miles from the John Hancock
and 5 from Sears Tower (and has line of sight with both) simply can
not get a picture on WBBM-DT. Everything else comes in perfectly.

>From what I can gather he is not alone with this problem. CBS says the
problem will be solved come February but I have my doubts.

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Sep  8 12:04:50 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:04:50 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn
	off	theanalogtransmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809080716l76a117d6h58507096b90f70c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>	<18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>	<604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
	<4fc429770809080716l76a117d6h58507096b90f70c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C54D22.8000800@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> A friend in Chicago who lives less than 4 miles from the John Hancock
> and 5 from Sears Tower (and has line of sight with both) simply can
> not get a picture on WBBM-DT. Everything else comes in perfectly.
> 
>>From what I can gather he is not alone with this problem. CBS says the
> problem will be solved come February but I have my doubts.
> 

The problem will be solved come February - WBBM-DT will move from 
channel 3, where its signal has been gawdawful, to channel 12, where it 
should be just fine.

s

From gallen2@nescaum.org  Mon Sep  8 12:24:55 2008
From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:24:55 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
Message-ID: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>

I thought I'd add this to the current thread on DTV.

In Antrim NH, on US 202 about 65 miles NW of the Needham towers, 
we've never been able to get more than 2-3 ugly fuzzy ghosty analog 
pics over the years even with big outdoor antennas, since this 
location is on the east side of Gregg Lake, with a 300' hill directly 
behind me.  That blocks everything from 0 to 180 deg direction pretty 
completely, including all Boston TV signals.

This summer, I thought I'd see if DTV did any better.  Using a 
channel master cm-7000 converter box [~$80 before coupon] I was able 
to get great pics most of the time from Ch. 2-4-5 and even 68 with 
only modest fiddling of my $50 Terk HDTV antenna [which has a powered 
rf-amp as part of the package].  Ch 7 was there part of the time, but 
more not than there.

Here's the strange part.  Boston channels only came in when the 
antenna was pointed just about due west, across the lake [~1200 ft 
wide]; the other side of the lake also has a hill, and the only 
signals I got were presumably bouncing off the hill across the 
lake.  This is also what we found with analog TV over the years, but 
because it's digital, the pic is perfect [when it's there at all].

So -- for those who say rural DTV coverage is likely to be worse than 
analog, that is not always the case --- certainly not here.  We now 
get these Boston channels, and several others from NH and VT.  An 
amazing improvement over analog, and only using a small indoor 
[amplified] antenna looking out a first floor window.  Perahps we're 
just lucky we have a hill for the signals to bounce off of...
    -- George


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Sep  8 12:38:17 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:38:17 -0400
Subject: How much $$ will TV stations save when they turn off
	theanalogtransmitters in Feb ?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809080716l76a117d6h58507096b90f70c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647737520809071529qd23576bj9e519b837fe0548d@mail.gmail.com>
	<18628.34467.691276.256340@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<6E330616A6DE479A8BBC78BA8C7339A4@SatU205S5044>
	<604766827D7D4DD284A2305A631B85D8@MoeHoward>
	<4fc429770809080716l76a117d6h58507096b90f70c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18629.21753.535095.7179@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:16:37 -0500, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> A friend in Chicago who lives less than 4 miles from the John Hancock
> and 5 from Sears Tower (and has line of sight with both) simply can
> not get a picture on WBBM-DT. Everything else comes in perfectly.

> From what I can gather he is not alone with this problem. CBS says the
> problem will be solved come February but I have my doubts.

The problem will be solved because WBBM-TV is moving to channel 12 in
February.  They will be taking over WTTW's analog facility and
converting it to digital.

-GAWollman


From n1qgs@yahoo.com  Mon Sep  8 13:52:27 2008
From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>
Message-ID: <60809.34808.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I live in Derry NH. I can not and have never received WZMY-DT (35) channel 50 [city of license = Derry]. Transmitter is in Hudson NH.

However, when I was up in Wolfeboro right on Lake Winnepesaukee I was able to get it part of the time with rabbit ears / UHF loop.



John B


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Sep  8 14:34:12 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:34:12 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>
Message-ID: <AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>

Haven't you noticed that the first part of the DTV program to
disappear is almost always the audio? This is a symption of a flawed
design--not in your set but in the basic design of the system. Losing
the picture is almost never as serious as losing the sound because the
sound contains more of the information that you need to follow the
program. The sound needs to be more robust, even if making it so would
somewhat degrade the reliability of the picture. I'm convinced that
the geniuses who designed the system figured that over-the-air
reception was unimportnat because everybody would have cable or
satellite TV. Sorry, but I refuse to spend the $1000/year on cable.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Allen" <gallen2@nescaum.org>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising


>I thought I'd add this to the current thread on DTV.
>
> In Antrim NH, on US 202 about 65 miles NW of the Needham towers,
> we've never been able to get more than 2-3 ugly fuzzy ghosty analog
> pics over the years even with big outdoor antennas, since this
> location is on the east side of Gregg Lake, with a 300' hill
> directly behind me.  That blocks everything from 0 to 180 deg
> direction pretty completely, including all Boston TV signals.
>
> This summer, I thought I'd see if DTV did any better.  Using a
> channel master cm-7000 converter box [~$80 before coupon] I was able
> to get great pics most of the time from Ch. 2-4-5 and even 68 with
> only modest fiddling of my $50 Terk HDTV antenna [which has a
> powered rf-amp as part of the package].  Ch 7 was there part of the
> time, but more not than there.
>
> Here's the strange part.  Boston channels only came in when the
> antenna was pointed just about due west, across the lake [~1200 ft
> wide]; the other side of the lake also has a hill, and the only
> signals I got were presumably bouncing off the hill across the lake.
> This is also what we found with analog TV over the years, but
> because it's digital, the pic is perfect [when it's there at all].
>
> So -- for those who say rural DTV coverage is likely to be worse
> than analog, that is not always the case --- certainly not here.  We
> now get these Boston channels, and several others from NH and VT.
> An amazing improvement over analog, and only using a small indoor
> [amplified] antenna looking out a first floor window.  Perahps we're
> just lucky we have a hill for the signals to bounce off of...
>    -- George
>


From gallen2@nescaum.org  Mon Sep  8 14:43:29 2008
From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:43:29 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>
	<AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <GOLDkyPzGNsokLQ8aZR00000326@gold.nescaum.org>

Dan -- I agree.  Interestingly enough, the channel master converter 
box I used seems to be very smart.  There were many times when the 
signal was marginal, and I got crappy [useless] pic but ok sound, and 
the converter box put up "audio only" on the screen.  Amazing...
   -- George


At 02:34 PM 9/8/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>Haven't you noticed that the first part of the DTV program to
>disappear is almost always the audio? This is a symption of a flawed
>design--not in your set but in the basic design of the system. Losing
>the picture is almost never as serious as losing the sound because the
>sound contains more of the information that you need to follow the
>program. The sound needs to be more robust, even if making it so would
>somewhat degrade the reliability of the picture. I'm convinced that
>the geniuses who designed the system figured that over-the-air
>reception was unimportnat because everybody would have cable or
>satellite TV. Sorry, but I refuse to spend the $1000/year on cable.
>
>-----
>Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
>eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "George Allen" <gallen2@nescaum.org>
>To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:24 PM
>Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
>
>
>>I thought I'd add this to the current thread on DTV.
>>
>>In Antrim NH, on US 202 about 65 miles NW of the Needham towers,
>>we've never been able to get more than 2-3 ugly fuzzy ghosty analog
>>pics over the years even with big outdoor antennas, since this
>>location is on the east side of Gregg Lake, with a 300' hill
>>directly behind me.  That blocks everything from 0 to 180 deg
>>direction pretty completely, including all Boston TV signals.
>>
>>This summer, I thought I'd see if DTV did any better.  Using a
>>channel master cm-7000 converter box [~$80 before coupon] I was able
>>to get great pics most of the time from Ch. 2-4-5 and even 68 with
>>only modest fiddling of my $50 Terk HDTV antenna [which has a
>>powered rf-amp as part of the package].  Ch 7 was there part of the
>>time, but more not than there.
>>
>>Here's the strange part.  Boston channels only came in when the
>>antenna was pointed just about due west, across the lake [~1200 ft
>>wide]; the other side of the lake also has a hill, and the only
>>signals I got were presumably bouncing off the hill across the lake.
>>This is also what we found with analog TV over the years, but
>>because it's digital, the pic is perfect [when it's there at all].
>>
>>So -- for those who say rural DTV coverage is likely to be worse
>>than analog, that is not always the case --- certainly not here.  We
>>now get these Boston channels, and several others from NH and VT.
>>An amazing improvement over analog, and only using a small indoor
>>[amplified] antenna looking out a first floor window.  Perahps we're
>>just lucky we have a hill for the signals to bounce off of...
>>    -- George


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Sep  8 14:45:52 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:45:52 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>
	<AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <48C572E0.8090701@ttlc.net>

Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> Haven't you noticed that the first part of the DTV program to
> disappear is almost always the audio? This is a symption of a flawed
> design--not in your set but in the basic design of the system. Losing
> the picture is almost never as serious as losing the sound because the
> sound contains more of the information that you need to follow the
> program. The sound needs to be more robust, even if making it so would
> somewhat degrade the reliability of the picture. I'm convinced that
> the geniuses who designed the system figured that over-the-air
> reception was unimportnat because everybody would have cable or
> satellite TV. Sorry, but I refuse to spend the $1000/year on cable.
Not surprising to me.  What's the major selling point that will grab the 
average consumer?  HD!
I haven't heard a word in commercials about how much better the sound 
will be with Digital TV. 
Only how much better the picture will be.

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 14:47:47 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:47:47 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>
	<AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809081147g456556d4k877101437016748a@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you spending $1000  a year on cable?

My cable bill is about $490 a year!

Paul



On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net>wrote:

> Haven't you noticed that the first part of the DTV program to
> disappear is almost always the audio? This is a symption of a flawed
> design--not in your set but in the basic design of the system. Losing
> the picture is almost never as serious as losing the sound because the
> sound contains more of the information that you need to follow the
> program. The sound needs to be more robust, even if making it so would
> somewhat degrade the reliability of the picture. I'm convinced that
> the geniuses who designed the system figured that over-the-air
> reception was unimportnat because everybody would have cable or
> satellite TV. Sorry, but I refuse to spend the $1000/year on cable.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Allen" <gallen2@nescaum.org>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
>
>
>
> I thought I'd add this to the current thread on DTV.
>>
>> In Antrim NH, on US 202 about 65 miles NW of the Needham towers,
>> we've never been able to get more than 2-3 ugly fuzzy ghosty analog
>> pics over the years even with big outdoor antennas, since this
>> location is on the east side of Gregg Lake, with a 300' hill
>> directly behind me.  That blocks everything from 0 to 180 deg
>> direction pretty completely, including all Boston TV signals.
>>
>> This summer, I thought I'd see if DTV did any better.  Using a
>> channel master cm-7000 converter box [~$80 before coupon] I was able
>> to get great pics most of the time from Ch. 2-4-5 and even 68 with
>> only modest fiddling of my $50 Terk HDTV antenna [which has a
>> powered rf-amp as part of the package].  Ch 7 was there part of the
>> time, but more not than there.
>>
>> Here's the strange part.  Boston channels only came in when the
>> antenna was pointed just about due west, across the lake [~1200 ft
>> wide]; the other side of the lake also has a hill, and the only
>> signals I got were presumably bouncing off the hill across the lake.
>> This is also what we found with analog TV over the years, but
>> because it's digital, the pic is perfect [when it's there at all].
>>
>> So -- for those who say rural DTV coverage is likely to be worse
>> than analog, that is not always the case --- certainly not here.  We
>> now get these Boston channels, and several others from NH and VT.
>> An amazing improvement over analog, and only using a small indoor
>> [amplified] antenna looking out a first floor window.  Perahps we're
>> just lucky we have a hill for the signals to bounce off of...
>>   -- George
>>
>>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 14:54:53 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:54:53 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
Message-ID: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>

What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?

Bill O'Neill

From kvahey@comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 15:01:54 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:01:54 -0500
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
References: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809081201p4bcddd34k1d61a2c775b31dc7@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering the same thing.

BTW is the government kicking in some money for the stations to convert?

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Bill O'Neill <billohno@gmail.com> wrote:

> What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?
>
> Bill O'Neill
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Sep  8 15:12:55 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:12:55 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
References: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18629.31031.719053.818769@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:54:53 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com> said:

> What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?

If they're new enough, they can be converted to digital.  Otherwise,
they will probably be stripped for the metals and any still-useful
components.

-GAWollman


From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Sep  8 15:13:18 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:13:18 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809081201p4bcddd34k1d61a2c775b31dc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
	<4fc429770809081201p4bcddd34k1d61a2c775b31dc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18629.31054.333907.634854@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:01:54 -0500, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> BTW is the government kicking in some money for the stations to convert?

Only for non-comms eligible for CPB funding.

-GAWollman


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 15:19:09 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:19:09 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <18629.31031.719053.818769@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <523C6962E1544406B99478C9CB317ADB@DHPP0DB1>

> > What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?
> 
> If they're new enough, they can be converted to digital.  Otherwise,
> they will probably be stripped for the metals and any still-useful

I suppose they could also be sold to stations in other countries that will
still be using analog transmitter for a while longer.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Sep  8 15:09:14 2008
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:09:14 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809081942.m88JgD5k077058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

 They will make lovely living room accents and room dividers.

Gary Francis


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bill O'Neill
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:55 PM
To: Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Analog TV xmtr

What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?

Bill O'Neill



From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 15:47:19 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:19 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <200809081942.m88JgD5k077058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <200809081942.m88JgD5k077058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <48C58147.7090507@gmail.com>

Gary wrote:
>  They will make lovely living room accents and room dividers.
>
>   
....for bachelors.

Bill O'Neill

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Sep  8 15:59:21 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:59:21 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
References: <48C574FD.5080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C58419.5030305@ttlc.net>

Look to find them on eBay - for a new generation of Pirate Broadcasters!

Bill O'Neill wrote:
> What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?
>
> Bill O'Neill
>
>

From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:11:34 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:11:34 -0500
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
Message-ID: <20080908201134.8DB781CE825@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill" 
>To: Gary 
>Subject: Re: Analog TV xmtr
>Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:19 -0400

>Gary wrote:
> They will make lovely living room accents and room dividers.
>
>
>....for bachelors.

>Bill O'Neill

There have been clever "retro" ads during the news last weekend
informing people that they can turn in surplus electronic devices
at the stadium where the Patriots play!



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From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:24:47 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:24:47 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <20080908201134.8DB781CE825@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080908201134.8DB781CE825@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <48C58A0F.10701@gmail.com>

Laurence Glavin wrote:
> There have been clever "retro" ads during the news last weekend
> informing people that they can turn in surplus electronic devices
> at the stadium where the Patriots play!
Including Gillette and Remington shavers? <g>
 
b -

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Sep  8 16:25:55 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:25:55 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <523C6962E1544406B99478C9CB317ADB@DHPP0DB1>
References: <523C6962E1544406B99478C9CB317ADB@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <48C58A53.5040708@fybush.com>

Jeff Lehmann wrote:
>>> What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?
>> If they're new enough, they can be converted to digital.  Otherwise,
>> they will probably be stripped for the metals and any still-useful
> 
> I suppose they could also be sold to stations in other countries that will
> still be using analog transmitter for a while longer.

Some will, undoubtedly, but most won't.

Most newer transmitters, especially the solid-state ones, can be 
converted to digital simply by changing out the exciter and some of the 
filtering. Only very old transmitters, which actually had separate 
amplifier cabinets for visual and aural signals, will be rendered 
obsolete by the transition - and those transmitters are usually so old 
and so inefficient that there'd be little demand for them, even in other 
countries.

This transition has been in the works for long enough now to give most 
stations a chance to plan ahead in their capital budgets as part of the 
normal replacement and upgrade cycle.

For larger station groups, there are even plans in place to move 
transmitters around after February. A lot of DTV stations are still 
operating without backups, and that will change as former analog 
transmitters are repurposed.

s

From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:42:36 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:42:36 -0400
Subject: Now Radio
Message-ID: <48C58E3C.50703@gmail.com>

Wouldn't be a Monday without Scott's NERW column.  On the WJJZ stunting 
from jazz to "Now" Scott writes, "Now" arrived at 9 o'clock Monday 
morning, when WJJZ exited its stunt with the now-ubiqitous "Don't Stop 
Believing," then launched into a brief, selective recap of the history 
of Philadelphia radio before announcing a "new" approach to adult 
contemporary radio...."

One has to wonder how "new" and  exciting  this new NOW approach will be. 

"Now, new is the new Now. We're different, we mean new. Now, what do we 
mean by the new Now? Well, we never 'stop believing' and you shouldn't 
either.  Whatever that means.  Now, we don't know why we here at Now 
played 'Don't Stop Believing' when the very next thing we did was ended 
whatever it was that you were actually believing in.  But now, we're the 
new Now and here's Ned Nowry with the Now-tastic News Now.  Weather Now, 
Sports Now, and Music Now follows News Now. Did we mention that we're new?"

Bill O'Neill, now.



From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Sep  8 16:46:24 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:46:24 -0400
Subject: Now Radio
In-Reply-To: <48C58E3C.50703@gmail.com>
References: <48C58E3C.50703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C58F20.2020304@ttlc.net>

Bill,

I can't believe how close you sound to Jeffrey Lozenge.

Roger


Bill O'Neill wrote:
> Wouldn't be a Monday without Scott's NERW column.  On the WJJZ 
> stunting from jazz to "Now" Scott writes, "Now" arrived at 9 o'clock 
> Monday morning, when WJJZ exited its stunt with the now-ubiqitous 
> "Don't Stop Believing," then launched into a brief, selective recap of 
> the history of Philadelphia radio before announcing a "new" approach 
> to adult contemporary radio...."
>
> One has to wonder how "new" and  exciting  this new NOW approach will be.
> "Now, new is the new Now. We're different, we mean new. Now, what do 
> we mean by the new Now? Well, we never 'stop believing' and you 
> shouldn't either.  Whatever that means.  Now, we don't know why we 
> here at Now played 'Don't Stop Believing' when the very next thing we 
> did was ended whatever it was that you were actually believing in.  
> But now, we're the new Now and here's Ned Nowry with the Now-tastic 
> News Now.  Weather Now, Sports Now, and Music Now follows News Now. 
> Did we mention that we're new?"
>
> Bill O'Neill, now.
>
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Sep  8 16:46:49 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:46:49 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
References: <200809081942.m88JgD5k077058@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<48C58147.7090507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E54CA48F42DA468E9BD44318FA9AB1B8@SatU205S5044>

My late friend Frank Toce, who was a bachelor, built a lovingly
restored (and functional) 1940s-era 250W Gates AM transmitter into one
wall of the study of the palatial home he built for himself on the
shores of Oneida Lake shortly before he died. Frank got his first job
in radio while he was in high school in Torrington CT as CE of what
was then WTOR (now WSNG), then a 250W Class IV on 1490. The
transmitter he restored was the same model as the one WTOR had during
his days there. It was in the dorm room of another of Frank's friends
that I figured out that WTOR could move to 610 and, with a three-tower
DA, could get a power increase all the way to 1 kW days (500W
nights)--something that actually did happen a decade or so later.
Anyhow, he tuned up the Gates to run on 1400, I believe, and used it
to put on light shows for visiting friends. He used a bank of
incandescent lamps as a dummy load.

-----
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill O'Neill" <billohno@gmail.com>
To: "Gary" <gary@garysicecream.com>
Cc: "Boston radio e-mail list" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Analog TV xmtr


> Gary wrote:
>>  They will make lovely living room accents and room dividers.
>>
>>
> ....for bachelors.
>
> Bill O'Neill


From billohno@gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:50:51 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:50:51 -0400
Subject: Now Radio
In-Reply-To: <48C58F20.2020304@ttlc.net>
References: <48C58E3C.50703@gmail.com> <48C58F20.2020304@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <48C5902B.2060607@gmail.com>

Roger Kirk wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I can't believe how close you sound to Jeffrey Lozenge.
>
> Roger
>

No, that's "Mad Now" radio, the sister AM hot talker......

Bill O'

From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Sep  8 16:42:39 2008
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:42:39 -0400
Subject: Analog TV xmtr
In-Reply-To: <48C58A53.5040708@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <200809082115.m88LFkmN081452@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

Guess I'm not getting a new living room divider after all

Gary
 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Scott Fybush
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:26 PM
To: Jeff Lehmann
Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest'; 'Bill O'Neill'
Subject: Re: Analog TV xmtr

Jeff Lehmann wrote:
>>> What is to become of the soon-to-be defunt analog TV transmitters?
>> If they're new enough, they can be converted to digital.  Otherwise, 
>> they will probably be stripped for the metals and any still-useful
> 
> I suppose they could also be sold to stations in other countries that 
> will still be using analog transmitter for a while longer.

Some will, undoubtedly, but most won't.

Most newer transmitters, especially the solid-state ones, can be converted
to digital simply by changing out the exciter and some of the filtering.
Only very old transmitters, which actually had separate amplifier cabinets
for visual and aural signals, will be rendered obsolete by the transition -
and those transmitters are usually so old and so inefficient that there'd be
little demand for them, even in other countries.

This transition has been in the works for long enough now to give most
stations a chance to plan ahead in their capital budgets as part of the
normal replacement and upgrade cycle.

For larger station groups, there are even plans in place to move
transmitters around after February. A lot of DTV stations are still
operating without backups, and that will change as former analog
transmitters are repurposed.

s



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Sep  9 00:13:27 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:13:27 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809081147g456556d4k877101437016748a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>	<AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>
	<8bce0fe80809081147g456556d4k877101437016748a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C5F7E7.9020207@gabrielmass.com>

On 09/08/2008 02:47 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> Where are you spending $1000  a year on cable?
> 
> My cable bill is about $490 a year!
> 

In Stoneham, MA, Comcast "digital preferred" service costs me about $73 
a month, and I don't even have any fancy dirty movie channels.  That's 
not quite $1000/yr, but $1K is a good approximation for it.

--rc



From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Sep  9 00:59:15 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:59:15 -0400
Subject: Rural DTV - surprising
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809081147g456556d4k877101437016748a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOLDAmEaJswFCHOzyfy00000319@gold.nescaum.org>,
	<AE8C5273C8214B7FB92F0E58980F81C2@SatU205S5044>,
	<8bce0fe80809081147g456556d4k877101437016748a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C5CA63.762.644EF4@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 8 Sep 2008 at 14:47, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

> Where are you spending $1000  a year on cable?
> 
> My cable bill is about $490 a year!
 
Maybe it's the Playboy Channel!  ;->

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From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Sep 10 16:54:10 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:54:10 -0500
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
Message-ID: <20080910205410.8C7EC1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>

Do you live in Massachusetts?  Do you think your taxes are too high or your
politicians are too corrupt?  Just talk your City or Town government into
seceding from Massachusetts!  It seems to have worked for Newburyport:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=173239




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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Sep 11 09:44:50 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:44:50 -0500
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
Message-ID: <20080911134451.1926483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oops...though there is a Newbury NH I think and maybe they have a Newburyport
section we never knew about before? Maybe not.

Howie Carr mistakenly referred to "Salisbury Beach, New Hampshire" in
"The Brothers Bulger". I assume people told him about it later when he
did a book-signing/speech (carried on C-SPAN) at Jabberwocky Books
in Newburyport.


From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Sep 11 15:09:19 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:09:19 -0500
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
Message-ID: <20080911190919.118BFBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Nelson" 
>To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: Re: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:44:50 -0500

>Oops...though there is a Newbury NH I think and maybe they have a Newburyport
>section we never knew about before? Maybe not.
>Howie Carr mistakenly referred to "Salisbury Beach, New Hampshire" in
>"The Brothers Bulger". I assume people told him about it later when he
>did a book-signing/speech (carried on C-SPAN) at Jabberwocky Books
>in Newburyport.

If you look at the contour map, the plan is to broadcast from a tower
in Amesbury, MA.

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From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Thu Sep 11 15:38:05 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:38:05 -0400
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
In-Reply-To: <20080911190919.118BFBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BB17E237C8CE47B98503CC83CDBB1859@DHPP0DB1>

> >Oops...though there is a Newbury NH I think and maybe they have a
> Newburyport
> >section we never knew about before? Maybe not.
> >Howie Carr mistakenly referred to "Salisbury Beach, New Hampshire" in
> >"The Brothers Bulger". I assume people told him about it later when he
> >did a book-signing/speech (carried on C-SPAN) at Jabberwocky Books
> >in Newburyport.
> 
> If you look at the contour map, the plan is to broadcast from a tower
> in Amesbury, MA.

It's probably just a case of some church in the middle of the country
somewhere applying for as many stations as possible as quickly as possible,
making a mistake. Hopefully the thing never makes it on the air.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 16:00:20 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:00:20 -0400
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
In-Reply-To: <BB17E237C8CE47B98503CC83CDBB1859@DHPP0DB1>
References: <20080911190919.118BFBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>
	<BB17E237C8CE47B98503CC83CDBB1859@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809111300u21b2ff8fj8ad17121ad6b01ed@mail.gmail.com>

Uh, the application isn't from "some church in the middle of the country".
It was filed by The Bangor Baptist Church which owns WHCF 88.5 and WHMX
105.7.

And checking real quickly, it looks like it *might* fit.

So what if it hits the air? At least it's semi local and not from
California, FLorida or wherever else.

Paul



On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net> wrote:

> > >Oops...though there is a Newbury NH I think and maybe they have a
> > Newburyport
> > >section we never knew about before? Maybe not.
> > >Howie Carr mistakenly referred to "Salisbury Beach, New Hampshire" in
> > >"The Brothers Bulger". I assume people told him about it later when he
> > >did a book-signing/speech (carried on C-SPAN) at Jabberwocky Books
> > >in Newburyport.
> >
> > If you look at the contour map, the plan is to broadcast from a tower
> > in Amesbury, MA.
>
> It's probably just a case of some church in the middle of the country
> somewhere applying for as many stations as possible as quickly as possible,
> making a mistake. Hopefully the thing never makes it on the air.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>


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From dave@skywaves.net  Thu Sep 11 18:51:31 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:51:31 -0400
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts
References: <20080910205410.8C7EC1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4ED009B458ED470F8BA931A34F1A4583@skywaves.com>

Hi Laurence-

It was a wild and wooly filing window.

There were lots of things like that:

An app for a station in the upper midwest with coordinates in Louisiana.

Another in the Midwest with coords near Kingston, NY.

Lots of apps that protected themselves from interference, but forgot to 
protect existing stations.

But I DO like your interpretation. I wonder if we could move Worcester to a 
tax haven like Cancun in the same manner?

:-)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:54 PM
Subject: Newburyport Secedes From Massachusetts



Do you live in Massachusetts?  Do you think your taxes are too high or your
politicians are too corrupt?  Just talk your City or Town government into
seceding from Massachusetts!  It seems to have worked for Newburyport:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=173239




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From HeritageRadio@msn.com  Fri Sep 12 02:13:03 2008
From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:13:03 -0400
Subject: Cart Machine
Message-ID: <BLU120-DS7144193FA1168B64556A3B5510@phx.gbl>

Any of you tech. folks have any tips on cleaning/de-mag. standard cart machines?  Was there a cartridge that did this (as with cassette
machines) or was it commonly done by hand?  If anyone has such a cart cleaner,  I would appreciate hearing from you.
Tom Heathwood     HeritageRadio@msn.com<mailto:HeritageRadio@msn.com>    

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Fri Sep 12 03:53:45 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 3:53:45 -0400
Subject: Cart Machine
Message-ID: <24783415.2974991221206025606.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web22-z02>


---- thomas heathwood <HeritageRadio@msn.com> wrote: 
> Any of you tech. folks have any tips on cleaning/de-mag. standard cart machines?  Was there a cartridge that did this (as with cassette
> machines) or was it commonly done by hand?  If anyone has such a cart cleaner,  I would appreciate hearing from you.
> Tom Heathwood     HeritageRadio@msn.com<mailto:HeritageRadio@msn.com>

tom,

  a handful of q-tips and a bottle of rubbing alchohol aught to do it.  dip the q-tip in the alchohol, and swab the heads vigorously.  same with the pinch roller and capstain, although a final cleaning of the rubber pinch roller with a bit of paper towel helps to fully de-gunk the thing.

and take good care of your cart machine.  they are hard to find nowadays.

--Chuck Igo

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Sep 12 10:05:19 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:05:19 -0500
Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival
Message-ID: <20080912140519.634CB83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Hey, I'm the FCC must have made a mistake. They're licensing a new station to Boston, and at 97.1? Wow,
I'm sure WTKK will not be happy. 

http://www.hot97boston.com/

"Ain't no stoppin' us now" (a midi file of the McFadden & Whitehead hit) plays in the background as
this apparent pirate station "counts down" to its debut (49 days from now). "We the best" the
site proclaims (hey, what grade did they get in English?)

If they're web-only that's one thing but I would hope they don't dare to actually go on the air.
Illegal, illegal, illegal. I'm Cc-ing Greater Media on this as I'm sure that if WHOT-FM 97.1
actually does go on the air, and at that very frequency, they may wish to contact the FCC.


From blainethompson@gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 11:14:38 2008
From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:14:38 -0400
Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival
In-Reply-To: <7bded94e0809120811v58dbd897rdad0f439a2bcd0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080912140519.634CB83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7bded94e0809120811v58dbd897rdad0f439a2bcd0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7bded94e0809120814g3b30a59er2f887312c9c3f7b5@mail.gmail.com>

The fine folks at WHOT-FM in Youngstown, Ohio might be interested in this
website, too.  I have their market manager's e-mail, and might contact him
later today.

As for the website: A midi file!  That's professional.

Their hot97boston@gmail.com e-mail address looks professional too, but don't
get me started on the corporate e-mail address rant from yesterday. :-)

- Blaine

From markwats@comcast.net  Sat Sep 13 06:36:31 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:36:31 -0400
Subject: Dale Dorman Bounced From Mornings At Oldies 103.3?
Message-ID: <004301c9158c$97209730$0302a8c0@Mark>

  Chatter on other boards indicating that Dale Dorman did his last morning 
show on Oldies 103.3 Friday. The morning show link is gone from Oldies 
103.3's web site and Dale's picture is now in the "Weekend Crew" section.

Mark Watson 


From Kaimbridge@gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 10:22:32 2008
From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:22:32 +0000
Subject: [B-R-I]  It's Happened...1.200-WKOX Now "Newton"!
Message-ID: <48CBCCA8.8090500@Gmail.com>

Noted 1.200-WKOX in real strong at South Station all night and caught 
their 1am ID as "WKOX-Newton/WXKS-Everett-Boston".

So now let speculation and rumor about format flips and talk show 
raids begin:

    "...Clear Channel grabs their shows from 'RKO' and goes talk;
     'RKO throws in the talk towel and flips to hip-hop;
     'BZ considers going 24 hr. infomercial;
     'CRB enters talks with The Weather Channel about being the
     flagship affiliate of their new 24hr. radio weather network;
     'BOS finally gives up on music and inaugurates the newest
     hot talk flavor of the week:  Country club golf and tennis
     talk for seniors;
     'FNX fires the entire..."!  P=)  P=)  P=)

      ~Kaimbridge~

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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Sep 13 11:11:07 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:11:07 -0400
Subject: [B-R-I]  It's Happened...1.200-WKOX Now "Newton"!
References: <48CBCCA8.8090500@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC52A9D8151F482B9E6222F976071202@SatU205S5044>

I listened early this morning (it was before 6:30AM sunrise, I
believe) and did not notice a difference. I also did not catch a legal
ID. However, during the STA period, WKOX is authorized to use only 10
kW-D and 1 kW-N (the Framingham powers) with the Newton array. This is
true EXCEPT when proof of performance measurements are being made. At
such times, the full CP power of 50 kW-U is permitted with the new
patterns. Thanks to your posting, I just tuned in again (10:50AM
Saturday) and I still can't say that the signal sounds any stronger
than the old Framingham signal; it might even be weaker.

WUNR is supposedly running 5 kW with its new pattern and allegedly has
been doing so for several months. I can believe that WUNR is using its
new pattern, but I find the idea that they are using 5 kW hard to
believe. I know that the signal in this direction (~355 degrees true)
with 1/4 of the 20-kW CP power is supposed to be a lot weaker than the
old 5 kW (because of the new pattern, which is much more restrictive
to the north and the new, shorter, less efficient towers).
Nevertheless, I would not expect the 1600 signal to be as bad as it
is. WUNR is totally gone at night and is extremely weak by day.

WUNR is nowhere near as strong as WRCA, which, of course, is weaker
than it used to be from Waltham because the new site is so much
further from me and also because it, too, is supposed to be running 5
kW-U under STA (vs the CP powers of 25 kW-D--five towers/17 kW-N--four
towers). But WRCA comes in pretty well day and night. (On paper, using
the CP powers, because the night pattern is "fatter" than the day
pattern, the night signal is supposed to be slightly stronger here
than the day signal, notwithstanding the lower night power. I
absolutely can't say that the night signal sounds stronger than the
day signal.)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" <Kaimbridge@gmail.com>
To: "Boston Radio Interest"
<Boston-Radio-Interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: [B-R-I] It's Happened...1.200-WKOX Now "Newton"!


> Noted 1.200-WKOX in real strong at South Station all night and
> caught their 1am ID as "WKOX-Newton/WXKS-Everett-Boston".
>
> So now let speculation and rumor about format flips and talk show
> raids begin:
>
>    "...Clear Channel grabs their shows from 'RKO' and goes talk;
>     'RKO throws in the talk towel and flips to hip-hop;
>     'BZ considers going 24 hr. infomercial;
>     'CRB enters talks with The Weather Channel about being the
>     flagship affiliate of their new 24hr. radio weather network;
>     'BOS finally gives up on music and inaugurates the newest
>     hot talk flavor of the week:  Country club golf and tennis
>     talk for seniors;
>     'FNX fires the entire..."!  P=)  P=)  P=)
>
>      ~Kaimbridge~
>
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>
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Sep 14 02:06:50 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:06:50 -0400
Subject: WGBY turning off analog early
Message-ID: <48CC71BA.29069.A16225@joe.attorneyross.com>

The Springfield Republican is reporting that WGBY in Springfield will 
be turning off its analog signal this November, in order to avoid 
having to do tower construction during the winter.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/digital_tv_revolution_a
waits_v.html

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From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Sep 14 08:52:48 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:52:48 -0400
Subject: WCAP Again Airing UMass Football & Men's Basketball
Message-ID: <002f01c91668$cb5401e0$0302a8c0@Mark>

  WCAP has rejoined the UMass Sports Network, and will air most football and 
men's basketball games. WCAP had been part of the UMass network for several 
years until 2004.  The flagship station is WRNX, the other affiliates are 
WCRN & WATD.

   Link to the press release on the UMass Athletics website:

http://umassathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091208aaa.html

Mark Watson



From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Sep 12 13:34:48 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:34:48 -0500
Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival
Message-ID: <20080912173448.3397147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Nelson" 
>To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival
>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:05:19 -0500

>Hey, I'm the FCC must have made a mistake. They're licensing a new 
>station to Boston, and at 97.1? Wow,
>I'm sure WTKK will not be happy.

>http://www.hot97boston.com/

>"Ain't no stoppin' us now" (a midi file of the McFadden & Whitehead 
>hit) plays in the background as
>this apparent pirate station "counts down" to its debut (49 days 
>from now). "We the best" the
>site proclaims (hey, what grade did they get in English?)

Don't forget, at the end of the scrolling message it says "Stay tune".
(I like the fact that the countdown clock displays MILLISECONDS;  probably got the idea from the
Olympics.)

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From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Sep 13 10:35:39 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:35:39 -0500
Subject: "WKOX, Newton"
Message-ID: <20080913143539.917BC32675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

So far today (just before 11:00 am) every top-of-the-hour station ID for 
WKOX-AM 1200 has been "WKOX, Newton", followed by WXKS-AM, Everett.  This 
can only mean one thing:  they're broadcasting from 750 Sawmill Brook Pahkway.


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From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Sep 13 15:42:57 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:42:57 -0500
Subject: On My Way Back From Gillette Stadium...
Message-ID: <20080913194257.A7A5311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

I had some surplus pieces of electronic gizmos hanging around the house, so
I brought them down to the Sony/Waste Management pickup zone established at
Gillette Stadium today.  Very nice...they directed each person's car to a designated
spot like at Tanglewood, and retrieved everything anyone had in his or her car;  it
was not required to get out of the car.  Anyway, I returned northward on Route 1,
and since I was travelling that way anyway, I ventured over to the tri-partite
antenna array in Newton.  WKOX-AM was blasting away from there and even in STA
status may very well be the most powerful signal emanating from 750 Sawmill Brook
Pahkway.  Oak Hill is a mixed-income neighborhood (although it appears that in
the recent past, some folks have come in, torn down the housing stock and built
a few McMansions).  If there are any Spanish-speakers there, they have three 
outlets from which to choose.  (But if they want to hear the Red Sox games en Espagnol,
they may be out of luck:  WKOX at less than full wattage just splatters over WWDJ-AM
1150.  And Disney radio 1260..not a chance.

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From dave@skywaves.net  Sun Sep 14 23:43:17 2008
From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:43:17 -0400
Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival
References: <20080912140519.634CB83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5E05EA0723C2494D9F53D05D9CDD1A3E@skywaves.com>

The FCC has authorized nothing on 97.1 closer than 120km away in Maine.

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves Consulting LLC
 PO Box 4
 Millbury, MA 01527

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Cc: <info@greatermedia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Hot 97.1 Pirate announces its arrival



Hey, I'm the FCC must have made a mistake. They're licensing a new station 
to Boston, and at 97.1? Wow,
I'm sure WTKK will not be happy.

http://www.hot97boston.com/

"Ain't no stoppin' us now" (a midi file of the McFadden & Whitehead hit) 
plays in the background as
this apparent pirate station "counts down" to its debut (49 days from now). 
"We the best" the
site proclaims (hey, what grade did they get in English?)

If they're web-only that's one thing but I would hope they don't dare to 
actually go on the air.
Illegal, illegal, illegal. I'm Cc-ing Greater Media on this as I'm sure that 
if WHOT-FM 97.1
actually does go on the air, and at that very frequency, they may wish to 
contact the FCC.




From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Sep 15 01:18:19 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:18:19 -0400
Subject: WCAP Again Airing UMass Football & Men's Basketball
In-Reply-To: <002f01c91668$cb5401e0$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <002f01c91668$cb5401e0$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <48CDB7DB.9957.7FAD5D@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 14 Sep 2008 at 8:52, Mark Watson wrote:

>   WCAP has rejoined the UMass Sports Network, and will air most
> football and men's basketball games. WCAP had been part of the
> UMass network for several years until 2004.  The flagship station
> is WRNX, the other affiliates are WCRN & WATD. 
 
Thank you.  I tried to listen to Saturday's game online and found 
that WMUA, the student station, was not carrying it.  So I went to 
the UMass Athletics site and found a link to WRNX and listened that 
way.

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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Sep 15 08:26:11 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:26:11 -0400
Subject: On My Way Back From Gillette Stadium...
References: <20080913194257.A7A5311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <CB30DC3AD0FC4C3E90ABB38DB5DFB4FB@SatU205S5044>

The splatter suggests that the 4.75-kHz-bandwidth low-pass sideband
filters (required on the analog channel when a station runs AM-band
IBOC) have been temporarily disabled. Presumably, the filters have
been installed because the WKOX installation (and I suspect also the
also the WRCA installation) are almost surely IBOC-ready. Both CCU and
Beasley have been big proponents of IBOC (including AM-band IBOC). I
suspect that Hoffman doesn't really care about IBOC, so WUNR may not
have such filters. When WKOX switches on 50 kW and IBOC, the sidebands
should not wipe out 1150 or 1260 at a reasonable distance from the
site, but who knows what a reasonable distance is--maybe the 1V/m
contour, which is the FCC's official blanketing area for AMs.

Meeting the FCC's population limits for the 1V/m contour is difficult
in built-ip areas. (I believe that the population residing within the
1V/m contour is not supposed to exceed 1% of the population residing
within the 25 mV/m contour.) Many applications for new or modified AM
facilities cannot meet this requirement and include waiver requests
stating that the 1V/m requirement is excessively conservative and that
7 V/m is more realistic. However, I don't think anyone has made
measurements to determine what effect AM IBOC sidebands (which contain
a lot of energy) have on blanketing of adjacent-channel signals. In
connection with an FCC NPRM (notice of proposed rule-making) that
would allow FM IBOC sidebands a 10-fold increase in power, NPR has
done a lot of work on those sidebands and their effect on
adjacent-channel reception. NPR opposes a 10-fold power increase but
might be amenable to a smaller increase.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: On My Way Back From Gillette Stadium...


I had some surplus pieces of electronic gizmos hanging around the
house, so
I brought them down to the Sony/Waste Management pickup zone
established at
Gillette Stadium today.  Very nice...they directed each person's car
to a designated
spot like at Tanglewood, and retrieved everything anyone had in his or
her car;  it
was not required to get out of the car.  Anyway, I returned northward
on Route 1,
and since I was travelling that way anyway, I ventured over to the
tri-partite
antenna array in Newton.  WKOX-AM was blasting away from there and
even in STA
status may very well be the most powerful signal emanating from 750
Sawmill Brook
Pahkway.  Oak Hill is a mixed-income neighborhood (although it appears
that in
the recent past, some folks have come in, torn down the housing stock
and built
a few McMansions).  If there are any Spanish-speakers there, they have
three
outlets from which to choose.  (But if they want to hear the Red Sox
games en Espagnol,
they may be out of luck:  WKOX at less than full wattage just
splatters over WWDJ-AM
1150.  And Disney radio 1260..not a chance.

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From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Sep 15 15:27:29 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:27:29 -0500
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
Message-ID: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

A few weeks ago, I noticed that Boston College FM station WZBC 90.3 was
off-the-air most of the time.  Most college-owned and operated FM's with more 
than 10 watts seem to be able to operate about 18 hours a day every day
during the summer.  But the absence of their signal made it possible to pick 
up what I thought was WAMC-FM, Albany, NY transmitting from atop Mt Greylock
in fah northwestern Massachusetts.    But, except for periods of special
atmospherics, the NPR station I picked up if I oriented my receiving antenna 
to get signals from that direction was NOT WAMC, but NHPR!  How can this be?
NHPR was supposed to have abandoned its translator at 90.3 when WEVS-88.3 FM
went on the air!  And NHPR's hourly station IDs go on and on with rebroadcasters
and translators from south to north, but not the one at 90.3.  A check of the
FCC website reveals that indeed a station on that frequency exists:  W212AF,
in Nashua.  How can this be?  It shares the same transmitter site, St. Joseph's
Hospital west of downtown (although the FCC's contour map shows the tower 
site as just due EAST of downtown) with 15 watts (WEVS is 5,000 watts directional),
so operation at 90.3 doesn't add anything the NHPR's coverage in the Gateway City.
If NHPR isn't giving a station ID for W212AF, aren't they breaking the rules then?
Wouldn't a translator on that frequency do them more good a few miles way in Milford?
Radio sure is a strange business.

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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 21:01:25 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:01:25 -0400
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
In-Reply-To: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809151801p46d4ace9m91a12da119871d15@mail.gmail.com>

Translators only have to ID with full calls and city of license 3 times a
day on the main signal.

Maybe NHPR has a second network of programming and thats what that
translator is for.. but I know nothing asbout NHPR.

Paul




On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

> A few weeks ago, I noticed that Boston College FM station WZBC 90.3 was
> off-the-air most of the time.  Most college-owned and operated FM's with
> more
> than 10 watts seem to be able to operate about 18 hours a day every day
> during the summer.  But the absence of their signal made it possible to
> pick
> up what I thought was WAMC-FM, Albany, NY transmitting from atop Mt
> Greylock
> in fah northwestern Massachusetts.    But, except for periods of special
> atmospherics, the NPR station I picked up if I oriented my receiving
> antenna
> to get signals from that direction was NOT WAMC, but NHPR!  How can this
> be?
> NHPR was supposed to have abandoned its translator at 90.3 when WEVS-88.3
> FM
> went on the air!  And NHPR's hourly station IDs go on and on with
> rebroadcasters
> and translators from south to north, but not the one at 90.3.  A check of
> the
> FCC website reveals that indeed a station on that frequency exists:
>  W212AF,
> in Nashua.  How can this be?  It shares the same transmitter site, St.
> Joseph's
> Hospital west of downtown (although the FCC's contour map shows the tower
> site as just due EAST of downtown) with 15 watts (WEVS is 5,000 watts
> directional),
> so operation at 90.3 doesn't add anything the NHPR's coverage in the
> Gateway City.
> If NHPR isn't giving a station ID for W212AF, aren't they breaking the
> rules then?
> Wouldn't a translator on that frequency do them more good a few miles way
> in Milford?
> Radio sure is a strange business.
>
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From markwa1ion@aol.com  Mon Sep 15 21:53:12 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:53:12 -0400
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330, 1600)
Message-ID: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>

Three stations (WKOX-1200, WRCA-1330, and WUNR-1600) apparently are all 
transmitting from a new antenna set-up at WUNR's site in the southern 
part (Oak Park section) of Newton near the Charles River.

The area is marshy and should be capable of providing reasonable 
"get-out-ability".

I'm thinking that these stations are still running something less than 
their allotted power levels since all three have unimpressive signals 
here (roughly 16 miles north of them).

Maybe the new combo antenna set-up is directionally impaired towards me.

At night, WKOX-1200 doesn't even seem as good as it was from Framingham 
- a greater distance.  I was thinking it would be much stronger.  It's 
still over CFGO all right, but not comfortable copy.  Heck, tonight 
France on 1206 was within 15 dB of it !

WRCA-1330 is much poorer, day and night, than it was from South St. in 
Waltham (a site admittedly closer by 5 or so miles).  The NYC 
co-channel now regularly gives it grief at night.  WRCA used to be 
fairly clean.

WUNR-1600 changed antenna but not site.  It is poor now at night: 
sometimes blown away totally by WWRL-NYC.  In the old days I could get 
reasonable copy of their night time Irish show.  Not so now.

Things may change when everyone is at full power.  For the sake of the 
station owners, I would hope so.

I am located in the Pinehurst section of Billerica about a mile from 
the Route 3A / Route 62 junction.

GC= 42.5332 N / 71.2205 W.  I am only 2.9 miles (air) / 4 miles (road) 
N of WRKO-680 and 15 miles (air) / 20 miles (road) NW of downtown 
Boston, so certainly not "in the boonies".

Mark Connelly, WA1ION 

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 21:15:48 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809151801p46d4ace9m91a12da119871d15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64448.52458.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Mon, 9/15/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe NHPR has a second network of programming and thats
> what that
> translator is for.. but I know nothing asbout NHPR.

It was talked about for a while years ago, I believe, possibly even in concert with VPR's plans to roll out VPR Classical, but it did not happen.


      

From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Sep 16 00:32:40 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:32:40 -0400
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330, 1600)
In-Reply-To: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <48CEFEA8.14258.B2F1E0@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 15 Sep 2008 at 21:53, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote:

> At night, WKOX-1200 doesn't even seem as good as it was from
> Framingham - a greater distance.  I was thinking it would be much
> stronger.  It's still over CFGO all right, but not comfortable copy. 
> Heck, tonight France on 1206 was within 15 dB of it !
 
France?

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From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 00:51:15 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:51:15 -0500
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330, 1600)
In-Reply-To: <48CEFEA8.14258.B2F1E0@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>
	<48CEFEA8.14258.B2F1E0@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809152151n18c46ee8pb0dfbb5c77ff9fc6@mail.gmail.com>

Yes with the proper receiver you can get France, Portugal and Algeria
near the coast.

1200 is decent in Cambridge at 1AM 1330 is much weaker and 1600 is
getting destroyed by New York.

Can 1200 be a fulltime player in Boston? I assume that has been the
plan for the expensive upgrade all along by engineering theory
sometimes fails in realtime.



On 9/15/08, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com> wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2008 at 21:53, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote:
>
>> At night, WKOX-1200 doesn't even seem as good as it was from
>> Framingham - a greater distance.  I was thinking it would be much
>> stronger.  It's still over CFGO all right, but not comfortable copy.
>> Heck, tonight France on 1206 was within 15 dB of it !
>
> France?
>
> --
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>  92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Sep 16 07:22:27 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:22:27 -0400
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330, 1600)
References: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <845826C2F294497390BEDC7A665C3B01@SatU205S5044>

Currently, under the terms of their STAs, all three stations are
running substantially less than full power except when they are
actually making proof-of-performance measurements. Until licenses to
cover are granted, for reasons known, I think, only to the FCC, all
three stations are limited to the powers they used to use before the
move (or, in the case of WUNR, which did not move, the "upgrade").
That means that WRCA and WUNR are supposed to be running 5 kW-U and
WKOX is running 10 kW-D/1 kW-N. Because all three stations previously
used very tall towers, which in two of three cases (WRCA, WKOX), were
also top loaded, the current temporary operations are clearly
downgrades!

Moreover, because of the "ratchet rule", which requires signal
reductions in the direction of existing co- and first-adjacent-channel
stations, both WUNR, which must increase daytime protection to WSMN,
and WRCA, which must increase daytime protection to WDER, have to
reduce their daytime signals to the north--the direction in which Mark
lives. WUNR has the additional handicap of being DA-1, which imposes
the daytime limitation on its night operation. When WUNR gets up to
its CP power of 20 kW-U, its inverse-distance field toward me (~355
degrees true and a little less than nine miles from the site) will
still be equivalent to what I would have gotten from the old array if
WUNR had CUT its power by a factor of ~2! In addition, I am skeptical
about whether WUNR had been running even 5 kW into the new array at
night until just within the past day or so.

If you look at WRCA's new day and night patterns, you will see that
the new 25 kW day pattern is mch narower than the new 17 kW night
pattern. Using the standard descriptors for pattern shape (cardioid,
teardrop, etc) for the WRCA and WUNR patterns is a bit misleading, but
WRCA's (five-tower) day pattern is closest to a teardrop and its
(four-tower) night pattern is closest to a cardioid. Where I live,
WRCA's inverse-distance field is supposed to be greater at night with
the lower power than it is by day with the higher power. I must say
that my listening tests fail to confirm this because WRCA's temporary
use of the same day and night powers should accentuate the difference,
and WRCA sounds somewhat weaker to me at night than by day.

Anyhow, the bottom lines to all of this are: 1) Don't draw conclusions
about any of the three signals until the licenses to cover have been
granted. 2) So far, I can find no evidence that the Sawmill Brook
Parkway site is a great one, even though Mark has been extolling its
virtues for years. 3) None of the three stations is going to have a
killer full-market signal, although their signals should be very
strong in the inner city where their target ethnic populations live.
As for WKOX, although I have a map that shows my house just barely
inside of WKOX's 13.<something> mV/m NIF contour, I think I will wind
up slightly outside of that contour. It'll be a decent signal and
completely listenable, however. By day, WKOX's signal where I live
should be closest in strength to WBZ's.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <markwa1ion@aol.com>
To: <am@nrcdxas.org>; <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>;
<badx@groups.mac.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330,
1600)


> Three stations (WKOX-1200, WRCA-1330, and WUNR-1600) apparently are
> all transmitting from a new antenna set-up at WUNR's site in the
> southern part (Oak Park section) of Newton near the Charles River.
>
> I'm thinking that these stations are still running something less
> than their allotted power levels since all three have unimpressive
> signals here (roughly 16 miles north of them).

> Mark Connelly, WA1ION


From markwa1ion@aol.com  Tue Sep 16 08:46:23 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:46:23 -0400
Subject: changed metro-Boston transmitter facilities (1200, 1330, 1600)
In-Reply-To: <48CEFEA8.14258.B2F1E0@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <8CAE5B61CBD4232-C18-20A9@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com>
	<48CEFEA8.14258.B2F1E0@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <8CAE6115C0BD98D-A54-3297@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com>

Yes, many European stations can be heard on AM in the metro-Boston 
area.  The Bordeaux station on 1206 is one of the better ones and shows 
up here most nights.

The following 3 things will help:
(1) Location near the coast - I do OK here 15 miles inland, but if I 
take a little ride up 128 to Gloucester and Rockport, I really clean up.
(2) Directional antenna - especially a cardioid pattern with a null 
west or southwest.  This sounds like something big and cumbersome, but 
such a set-up can actually be implemented with elements that fit on a 
car roof.
(3) Receiver with narrow IF filters - Drake R8B, Icom R75, RFSpace 
SDR-IQ, AOR-7030, etc. and (for you old-timers) R-390A, 51J4, SX-28A, 
HQ-180A, etc.

Listening at the right time helps too.  Local sunset is best, 
especially near the shore, though reception can be had up to Euro-dawn 
which is midnight or a bit after here.

I have made recordings of overseas DX as heard at a variety of sites in 
eastern Massachusetts over the years.

These are posted at "http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/dx_audio.htm".

Friends of mine have provided me with a couple of audio clips of 
WBZ-1030 that you might find interesting.  One was made on Midway 
Island in the Pacific and one was made in Australia - about as far as 
you can go without a spaceship.

On the site there are also clips of Boston's 850 heard in Ireland and 
1510 heard in the UK and Sweden (better than you can get them in 
Framingham for sure).

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

<<
Yes with the proper receiver you can get France, Portugal and Algeria
near the coast.
>>

<<
On 15 Sep 2008 at 21:53, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote:

> At night, WKOX-1200 doesn't even seem as good as it was from
> Framingham - a greater distance.  I was thinking it would be much
> stronger.  It's still over CFGO all right, but not comfortable copy.
> Heck, tonight France on 1206 was within 15 dB of it !

France?

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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004                        http://www.attorneyross.com
>>

From radiotest@cox.net  Tue Sep 16 08:49:47 2008
From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:49:47 -0400
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
In-Reply-To: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080916083201.03949810@cox.net>

At 03:27 PM 9/15/2008, Laurence Glavin wrote:

>If NHPR isn't giving a station ID for W212AF, aren't they breaking 
>the rules then?

The ID requirements for translators are different than they are for 
full-power stations. If the ID is broadcast by the primary station 
relayed by the translator, it only has to run three times per day - 
once between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM, once between 11:55 AM and 12:05 PM, 
and once between 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM.

Translators may ID silently, hourly using Morse code to frequency 
shift the carrier or amplitude modulate the carrier.

For details see CFR 74.1283.

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, 
Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
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From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Sep 16 11:47:21 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:47:21 -0400
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080916083201.03949810@cox.net>
References: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20080916083201.03949810@cox.net>
Message-ID: <18639.54537.244840.553482@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:49:47 -0400, "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> said:

> relayed by the translator, it only has to run three times per day - 
> once between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM, once between 11:55 AM and 12:05 PM, 
> and once between 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM.

Minor correction: the midday ID must be between 12:55 PM and 1:05 PM.
I don't know why it's not noon, nor why the time requirement is looser
for the other two IDs.

-GAWollman

From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 19:37:11 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:37:11 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
Message-ID: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>

  According to Boston RadioWatch, several staffers and air talent were let 
go from Metro Network's Boston office as part of Metro's nationwide cuts. 
Among the notable names sent packing last Friday: Joe Stapleton, Bob 
MacNeil, Chris Fama, and Mauzy Stafford. Mauzy did morning news & traffic on 
WODS, ironically her last day at Metro was also the same day as Dale 
Dorman's last morning show. Mauzy also does a Sunday afternoon airshift on 
WODS. BRW hints that more cuts are coming soon.

Mark Watson 



From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 19:53:35 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:53:35 -0400
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
Message-ID: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>

  Scott Fybush reports in this week's NERW that Dale Dorman left his WODS 
morning gig of his own initiative last Friday, as reported by Boston Radio 
Watch. And to add to Scott's hint that we may be hearing Dale on a part time 
basis, All Access reports that Dale will be doing a Saturday morning 
airshift. All Access also reports that J.J.Wright will be filling the 
morning slot on WODS for the time being.

Mark Watson




From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 20:02:02 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:02:02 -0500
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>

Robert Feder is the Chicago Sun Times today writing about the Metro
layoffs started his column saying 'More good news from the idiots that
run radio'

From radiotest@cox.net  Tue Sep 16 20:53:54 2008
From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:53:54 -0400
Subject: W212AF, Nashua, NH
In-Reply-To: <18639.54537.244840.553482@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20080915192729.7FD0A11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20080916083201.03949810@cox.net>
	<18639.54537.244840.553482@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080916201507.039f5d88@cox.net>

At 11:47 AM 9/16/2008, Garrett Wollman wrote:

>Minor correction: the midday ID must be between 12:55 PM and 1:05 PM.

Thanks for the correction - my head must have been in another time 
zone when I typed that. :-)

>I don't know why it's not noon, nor why the time requirement is looser
>for the other two IDs.

I haven't a clue, unless someone at the Commission decided that it 
was a good idea to have one narrow window when a field inspector 
could expect an ID at a time that wouldn't interfere with a timely lunch.

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, 
Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html 

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From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 21:30:19 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:30:19 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>

Mark Watson wrote:
>  According to Boston RadioWatch, several staffers and air talent were 
> let go from Metro Network's Boston office as part of Metro's 
> nationwide cuts. Among the notable names sent packing last Friday: Joe 
> Stapleton, Bob MacNeil, Chris Fama, and Mauzy Stafford.
Another brick in the wall....  Seems like just yesterday that services 
like Metro and Shadow set up shop and became opportunities for local 
stations to release their in-house staff and go with a contractor to 
provide talent for once core services like news and traffic.

And today, that service takes a hit.  I have an idea.  That NOAA weather 
radio computer generated voice that has taken hold?  See if 'he' has 
time in his schedule to run down the latest headlines. 

Bill O'Neill

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 21:44:48 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:44:48 -0500
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark> <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809161844p6d15ac2fo33753ee4762d626e@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think we are that far away from that Bill.

Metro probably had too many locations (60) and obviously cutting to 13
will reduce expenses.

Accuweather had it right from the getgo just having one hub in
Pennsylvania to serve all their clients. Nobody listening to Jess Cain
had a clue his weatherman was 600 miles away.

From brian@sundaynightchill.com  Tue Sep 16 21:52:17 2008
From: brian@sundaynightchill.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:52:17 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark> <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c91868$045cdd30$0d169790$@com>

Its funny that you should mention that.  I've been doing the tech work at
WMWM for the last few years.  About two months ago while cruising the web I
found a program for the deaf that will download the current NOAA weather and
vocalize it.  One of the options is to save the output to an MP3 file.
Having a bizarre humor streak, I did a little massaging of the output and
tied it into the station's automation.  The result is our new WMWM Robo
Weather Center.

A little tweaking of the setup files gave me phrases such as "The
temperature outside the WMWM studios is" and "The WMWM Robo weather forecast
for Salem is".  The program is set to update from NOAA every 10 minutes and
write it to an MP3 file called "weather.mp3".  Every hour, just after the
ID, the automation looks in a specific location for a file named
"weather.mp3" and plays it.  Low tech but it works.

My thought was that the students would listen to it, be slightly amused and
then give me the nod to take it off.  The result was quite the opposite.
They loved it.  One of the student e-board members noted that the robo voice
actually sounded concerned when reading about thunderstorms potentially
containing embedded hail.  I told him that the next version will throw in an
"oh sh*t" when it sees something bad coming <g>. Now they're trying to get
me to automate traffic reports (parking at the college).


MoodSwings & Sunday Night Chill
The Jazz fix for your Sunday


Brian Vita
Jazz Coordinator
Sunday Night Chill Remote Studio
c/o CSS Inc ,77 Walnut St ? Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
Ofc (978)538-7575/Studio (978)817-0013 
Brian@SundayNightChill.com
www.wmwmjazz.com





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?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On
> Behalf Of Bill O'Neill
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:30 PM
> To: Mark Watson
> Cc: Boston Radio
> Subject: Re: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
> 
> Mark Watson wrote:
> >  According to Boston RadioWatch, several staffers and air talent were
> > let go from Metro Network's Boston office as part of Metro's
> > nationwide cuts. Among the notable names sent packing last Friday:
> Joe
> > Stapleton, Bob MacNeil, Chris Fama, and Mauzy Stafford.
> Another brick in the wall....  Seems like just yesterday that services
> like Metro and Shadow set up shop and became opportunities for local
> stations to release their in-house staff and go with a contractor to
> provide talent for once core services like news and traffic.
> 
> And today, that service takes a hit.  I have an idea.  That NOAA
> weather
> radio computer generated voice that has taken hold?  See if 'he' has
> time in his schedule to run down the latest headlines.


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Tue Sep 16 21:57:23 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:57:23 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101c91868$baaa5400$2ffefc00$@com>

> Robert Feder is the Chicago Sun Times today writing about the Metro
> layoffs started his column saying 'More good news from the idiots that
> run radio'
> 
This coming from a medium whose reader base is shrinking at an exponentially
faster rate than radio's listener base.  I suppose that there's some irony
there.

[Brian Vita] 


MoodSwings & Sunday Night Chill
The Jazz fix for your Sunday


Brian Vita
Jazz Coordinator
Sunday Night Chill Remote Studio
c/o CSS Inc ,77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
Ofc (978)538-7575/Studio (978)817-0013 
Brian@SundayNightChill.com
www.wmwmjazz.com



From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 21:19:14 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:19:14 -0500
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809161801w4d0d49b8scf7f2713c94aa624@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>
	<8bce0fe80809161801w4d0d49b8scf7f2713c94aa624@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809161819r7e235da5qbec4c228991881bc@mail.gmail.com>

The Sun Times said Metro will go from 60 operations centers to 13
regional hubs.





On 9/16/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine who is on air for Metro Networks in Providence doing
> Traffic says his job is done at the end of the month. I'm pretty sure he
> meant September and I think he said everyone is gone there, but I dont
> remember exactly what he said.
>
> I don't think he's on this email list, so I'll have to email him privately.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Robert Feder is the Chicago Sun Times today writing about the Metro
>> layoffs started his column saying 'More good news from the idiots that
>> run radio'
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>

From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 21:01:23 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:01:23 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161702u699fbd2bg5069ec6a5eb17c90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809161801w4d0d49b8scf7f2713c94aa624@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine who is on air for Metro Networks in Providence doing
Traffic says his job is done at the end of the month. I'm pretty sure he
meant September and I think he said everyone is gone there, but I dont
remember exactly what he said.

I don't think he's on this email list, so I'll have to email him privately.

Paul




On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:

> Robert Feder is the Chicago Sun Times today writing about the Metro
> layoffs started his column saying 'More good news from the idiots that
> run radio'
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 21:27:24 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:27:24 -0500
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
In-Reply-To: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>
References: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>

Dale arrived from KFRC in San Francisco in 1968 to replace Al Gates
who was the weak link at WRKO doing mornings.

So it begs the question with Dale going into semi-retirement who now
has been on the Boston airwaves the longest?

I am guessing Matt at KISS108 when you throw in his WBCN years.

On 9/16/08, Mark Watson <markwats@comcast.net> wrote:
>   Scott Fybush reports in this week's NERW that Dale Dorman left his WODS
> morning gig of his own initiative last Friday, as reported by Boston Radio
> Watch. And to add to Scott's hint that we may be hearing Dale on a part time
> basis, All Access reports that Dale will be doing a Saturday morning
> airshift. All Access also reports that J.J.Wright will be filling the
> morning slot on WODS for the time being.
>
> Mark Watson
>
>
>
>

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Sep 16 23:42:51 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:42:51 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <004b01c91868$045cdd30$0d169790$@com>
References: <005101c91855$25763380$0302a8c0@Mark> <48D05DAB.7030103@gmail.com>
	<004b01c91868$045cdd30$0d169790$@com>
Message-ID: <48D07CBB.7000605@gabrielmass.com>

Brian Vita wrote:
> About two months ago while cruising the web I
> found a program for the deaf that will download the current NOAA weather and
> vocalize it.  One of the options is to save the output to an MP3 file.
> Having a bizarre humor streak, I did a little massaging of the output and
> tied it into the station's automation.  The result is our new WMWM Robo
> Weather Center.
> 


NOAA's copying your idea and producing their own robo-audio for download:

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nwr/ma/#text_only

--RC



From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 22:56:46 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:56:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <005101c91868$baaa5400$2ffefc00$@com>
Message-ID: <923195.73883.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Tue, 9/16/08, Brian Vita <brian_vita@cssinc.com> wrote:
> This coming from a medium whose reader base is shrinking at
> an exponentially
> faster rate than radio's listener base.  I suppose that
> there's some irony
> there.

And at a paper that's tossed a bunch of employees overboard since the beginning of the year. This was not the place for Feder's snark.


      

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 23:51:59 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:51:59 -0500
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
In-Reply-To: <48D0780C.9070201@fybush.com>
References: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D0780C.9070201@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809162051l2023037ra34f0e93e2630aa4@mail.gmail.com>

Santos joined WBZ for Pats color in 1966 as Bob Starr did play by play.

Bill Lawrence goes back a long way as well as he left WFEA for Boston
around 1970.

On 9/16/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> Dale arrived from KFRC in San Francisco in 1968 to replace Al Gates
>> who was the weak link at WRKO doing mornings.
>>
>> So it begs the question with Dale going into semi-retirement who now
>> has been on the Boston airwaves the longest?
>>
>> I am guessing Matt at KISS108 when you throw in his WBCN years.
>
> Gil Santos? He goes back to the sixties, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> I believe Anthony Silva started at WMLO in Beverly in 1973 or 1974, and
> has been on Boston radio (starting at WEZE) since about 1976.
>
> And didn't our own JIBGUY start at WNTN around then, too? (albeit with a
> gap in his on-air career between WXKS-AM and WWEA/WJIB...)
>
> s
>

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 23:45:06 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:45:06 -0500
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
In-Reply-To: <923195.73883.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <005101c91868$baaa5400$2ffefc00$@com>
	<923195.73883.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809162045m3f9b167eoea5b25086e51ab51@mail.gmail.com>

The irony is Feder may well be on the chopping block at the Sun Times.
The paper is rumored to be making more newsroom cuts but Marotti
quitting has helped cut payroll some as he was making 500K. The open
letter to Marotti by Roger Ebert was astonishing to see in print.


In fairness the Sun Times was raped by Conrad Black and they actually
had to sell their building on Wabash to Donald Trump to stay afloat.
Their home delivery is now handled by the Tribune and they are hanging
on by a thread as is the Herald. The paper has never really recovered
from the messy situation caused by the Field brothers who couldn't
stand each other and they liquidated their holdings in print and
broadcasting (in fact closed Channel 48 in Philly because they
couldn't wait for a buyer).

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Sep 16 23:22:52 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:22:52 -0400
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D0780C.9070201@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Dale arrived from KFRC in San Francisco in 1968 to replace Al Gates
> who was the weak link at WRKO doing mornings.
> 
> So it begs the question with Dale going into semi-retirement who now
> has been on the Boston airwaves the longest?
> 
> I am guessing Matt at KISS108 when you throw in his WBCN years.

Gil Santos? He goes back to the sixties, if I'm not mistaken.

I believe Anthony Silva started at WMLO in Beverly in 1973 or 1974, and 
has been on Boston radio (starting at WEZE) since about 1976.

And didn't our own JIBGUY start at WNTN around then, too? (albeit with a 
gap in his on-air career between WXKS-AM and WWEA/WJIB...)

s

From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Sep 16 23:56:45 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:56:45 -0400
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005501c91857$70adceb0$0302a8c0@Mark>
	<4fc429770809161827l593d5c9cmdf58e9b81be25f3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c4f63024b9a1@[192.168.0.100]>

At 8:27 PM -0500 9/16/08, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>Dale arrived from KFRC in San Francisco in 1968 to replace Al Gates
>who was the weak link at WRKO doing mornings.
>
>So it begs the question with Dale going into semi-retirement who now
>has been on the Boston airwaves the longest?
>
>I am guessing Matt at KISS108 when you throw in his WBCN years.

Or perhaps Ron Della Chiesa?

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From bill.smith@comcast.net  Wed Sep 17 01:11:06 2008
From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:11:06 -0400
Subject: Dale Dorman Update
Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20809162211v1b8c9786uce689c630a182dd7@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin asked:
"So it begs the question with Dale going into semi-retirement who now has
been on the Boston airwaves the longest?"

The answer is the same as it was before Dale retired. And the same as it was
before Jess Cain retired.

Dave MacNeil, WCRB (1950).

And he inherited the mantle from Gus Saunders (1943), who inherited the
mantle from Carl DeSuze (1941).

Meanwhile, I still do the best Howard Nelson and Jim Westover imitations on
earth, but nobody has asked to hear either in, oh, I'd say 35 years.

From HeritageRadio@msn.com  Wed Sep 17 03:11:54 2008
From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:11:54 -0400
Subject: WEATHER Forcast
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Message-ID: <BLU120-DS7F8852C6AE0EE333B7080B54C0@phx.gbl>

Richard's post re: the weather service and its audio reports kinda reminds me of the old days when we used to get weather forecasts 
"direct from The United States Weather Service at Logan International Airport"  -  I think the last "live" forecasters doing weather reports for local radio were heard on WHDH radio.       <<Tom Heathwood>>
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From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Wed Sep 17 06:00:00 2008
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 6:00:00 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
Message-ID: <30077623.919561221645600738.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web27-z02>


---- Richard Chonak <rac@gabrielmass.com> wrote: 

> NOAA's copying your idea and producing their own robo-audio for download:
> 
> http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nwr/ma/#text_only
> 


and TV's The Weather Channel has been doing it for years with "your local forecast" as voiced by Carl Cross (late of WROR)

--Chuck Igo

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Sep 17 11:53:42 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:53:42 -0400
Subject: WEATHER Forcast
In-Reply-To: <BLU120-DS7F8852C6AE0EE333B7080B54C0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.9760.1221624842.663.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
	<BLU120-DS7F8852C6AE0EE333B7080B54C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48D12806.8050701@gabrielmass.com>

On 09/17/2008 03:11 AM, thomas heathwood wrote:
> Richard's post re: the weather service and its audio reports kinda reminds me of the old days when we used to get weather forecasts 
> "direct from The United States Weather Service at Logan International Airport"  -  I think the last "live" forecasters doing weather reports for local radio were heard on WHDH radio.       <<Tom Heathwood>>


Those NOAA mp3s aren't as fresh as I'd hoped: one of them for Saddleback 
Mtn, NH, predicts a temp of 17 overnight and snow!

--rc

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Sep 18 03:46:59 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:46:59 -0500
Subject: WXZO format change to oldies?
Message-ID: <20080918074659.30FCBCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>

Has WXZO 96.7 Willsboro NY (Burl VT area) changed to oldies? Looks like it...

http://967dotfm.com

The site says they'll have Imus in the morning and oldies otherwise; not sure
if their simulcasts at 1320 (Randolph VT) and 960 (Plattsburgh NY) also gone
to oldies. If so, not sure who will pick up Rush, Hannity, etc. for that 
market. 

Can anyone in the area confirm this? Thanks!

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Thu Sep 18 13:09:46 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:09:46 -0400
Subject: Donna's new job
Message-ID: <20080918171004.7C55944C078@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com>

For those that have not heard, I am now an Assistant Professor of 
Communication at Lesley University in Cambridge.  Lesley had 
historically been a school that trained future teachers and 
counselors, but it is now expanding into media education and will 
also be expanding its communication program.  Our hope is to have a 
student radio station at some point, as well as reviving the student 
newspaper.  If any of you wonderful list-members live near the 
university (my classes are one block from the Porter Square T stop on 
the red line) and would like to come in and chat with my students 
about your work in the media, I'd love to get a speakers' series 
started so the students get to hear real-world information from 
people who have actually worked in broadcasting or print.  I can't 
pay you, but I can certainly buy you an ice cream (we're right near 
Emack and Bolio's)!!!  


From billohno@gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 16:36:26 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:36:26 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <20080918074659.30FCBCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080918074659.30FCBCD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <48D2BBCA.6000902@gmail.com>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> Can anyone in the area confirm this? Thanks!
>   
Yup, they flipped after Imus at 9 a.m. on Tuesday.  WEAV (960 
Plattsburgh) remains as "The Zone." I haven't been able to pickup 1320 
Randolph yet but I would imagine it would stay with 960.  The AM signal 
of WEAV is pathetic compared to where it was seven or eight years ago. 
Likely zippo for a ground plane and perhaps squirrels in residence in 
the transmitter out there across the lake.  Besides the abysmal 
propagation, the audio chain, processing, would make an old DAP sound 
good. 

As for DOT-FM, I am sure it will pique interest of folks who grew up 
with the former WDOT (1390 nee 1400 Burlington).  Some familiar voices 
from back then are pulling shifts.  Selling it as live and local but we 
know how that goes when the road bends.  If nothing else, it's amusing 
to hear reverb on the mic channel again and not en Espanol!  <ducking>

Bill <echo echo> O'Neill

From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Sep 18 17:57:30 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:57:30 -0500
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
Message-ID: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill O'Neill" 
>To: "Bob Nelson" 
>Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:36:26 -0400
Bob Nelson wrote:
> Can anyone in the area confirm this? Thanks!
>
>Yup, they flipped after Imus at 9 a.m. on Tuesday. WEAV (960 
>Plattsburgh) remains as "The Zone." I haven't been able to pickup 
>1320 Randolph yet but I would imagine it would stay with 960. The 
>AM signal of WEAV is pathetic compared to where it was seven or 
>eight years ago. Likely zippo for a ground plane and perhaps 
>squirrels in residence in the transmitter out there across the 
>lake. Besides the abysmal propagation, the audio chain, 
>processing, would make an old DAP sound good. 

>Bill O'Neill

Aside from a station that's been off-the-air for a protracted 
period of time (like the PA station in Scott's NERW that had its
tower dismantled for scrap), what would cause the deterioration in
an AM station's signal that you describe?  




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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 18:46:12 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:46:12 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809181546t27b1d129j127169d37de9d2e1@mail.gmail.com>

The transmitter might not be making full power anymore.

The transmitter might not be modulating anywhere near full tilt. A
transmitter not operating at the 125 percent maximum will have static but no
audio.

I have personally seen, at one station I work for, the difference between 30
percent modulation and 125 percent modulation. The signal difference is
almost night and day.

Paul



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill O'Neill"
> >To: "Bob Nelson"
> >Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:36:26 -0400
> Bob Nelson wrote:
> > Can anyone in the area confirm this? Thanks!
> >
> >Yup, they flipped after Imus at 9 a.m. on Tuesday. WEAV (960
> >Plattsburgh) remains as "The Zone." I haven't been able to pickup
> >1320 Randolph yet but I would imagine it would stay with 960. The
> >AM signal of WEAV is pathetic compared to where it was seven or
> >eight years ago. Likely zippo for a ground plane and perhaps
> >squirrels in residence in the transmitter out there across the
> >lake. Besides the abysmal propagation, the audio chain,
> >processing, would make an old DAP sound good.
>
> >Bill O'Neill
>
> Aside from a station that's been off-the-air for a protracted
> period of time (like the PA station in Scott's NERW that had its
> tower dismantled for scrap), what would cause the deterioration in
> an AM station's signal that you describe?
>
>
>
>
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From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Sep 18 18:44:51 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:44:51 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18642.55779.340157.197495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:57:30 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com> said:

> Aside from a station that's been off-the-air for a protracted 
> period of time (like the PA station in Scott's NERW that had its
> tower dismantled for scrap), what would cause the deterioration in
> an AM station's signal that you describe?  

The number one cause is poor maintenance, followed closely by theft or
malicious destruction of the ground system.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Sep 18 18:56:29 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:56:29 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809181546t27b1d129j127169d37de9d2e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<8bce0fe80809181546t27b1d129j127169d37de9d2e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D2DC9D.3090500@fybush.com>

Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> The transmitter might not be making full power anymore.
> 
> The transmitter might not be modulating anywhere near full tilt. A
> transmitter not operating at the 125 percent maximum will have static but no
> audio.
> 
> I have personally seen, at one station I work for, the difference between 30
> percent modulation and 125 percent modulation. The signal difference is
> almost night and day.

That's one possibility, yes...but it's also likely that the ground 
system around the WEAV towers has deteriorated over the years. Copper 
corrodes away after a few years in the ground, if it's not stolen first, 
and a station without a working ground system is really using only half 
an antenna.

A directional antenna system such as WEAV's needs to be kept in 
tolerance, too - over time, components can drift and the nulls and lobes 
can start falling where they shouldn't be.

I'm not saying any of those things are true specifically of WEAV - I 
know their engineer and he tries hard to keep all the balls in the air - 
but any time you've got one guy responsible for seven stations, six 
transmitter sites on two sides of a big lake (including a directional AM 
and a mountaintop high-power FM), and a studio complex, well...it's a 
long way from the stop I made at WEAV one Saturday afternoon in 1995, 
when the old guy who answered the door was the station owner himself!

s

From hykker@wildblue.net  Thu Sep 18 22:06:59 2008
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:06:59 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <18642.55779.340157.197495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
	<18642.55779.340157.197495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <48d30953.0807c00a.7c20.ffff9122@mx.google.com>

  Garrett Wollman wrote:

>The number one cause is poor maintenance, followed closely by theft or
>malicious destruction of the ground system.

Not to mention the ever-increasing amount of noise on the AM 
band.  Even powerhouse signals are getting harder to hear with all 
the LED traffic lights, CF lightbulbs, powerline hash, auto ignition 
noise, etc. 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Sep 19 10:16:15 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:16:15 -0400
Subject: WKOX night reception
Message-ID: <84D221992B8E41C78B6968CCA7FB5AF1@SatU205S5044>

Originally posted on the Radio-Info.com Boston board.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: DanStrassberg on September 13, 2008, 02:47:10 pm

We'll have to see what the signal is like when they finally get to
operate at 50 kW. During the STA period. except when actual
prrof-of-performance measurements are being made, WKOX is restricted
to 10 kW-D and 1 kW-N--same powers as they used in Framingham.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I stand by the above statement, BUT I heard something while listening
briefly to WKOX early this morning that may (or may not) be a bad omen
for the quality of nighttime reception once the station increases to
the full 50 kW-U. What I heard sounded like the dreaded "phasing"
phenomenon, which occurs when an AM station's high-angle skywave is
reflected back to earth within the normal nighttime groundwave
coverage area. The result is often referred to as a "short-wave"
effect--that is audio that becomes badly distorted for many seconds,
then clears up for a while only to become badly distorted again a few
seconds later. If you've ever heard recordings of short-wave
broadcasts from Europe or Africa during Word War II, you know what I'm
talking about. Those broadcasts were transmitted by short wave and
they have that characteristic sound.

On AM, the best way to minimize phasing is to use a half-wave
transmitting antenna, which minimizes high-angle skywave. At AM
frequencies, half-wave towers are tall and therefore are not liked by
neighbors or municipal authorities that have to grant building
permits. Half-wave towers also cost more to build and maintain than do
shorter ones. And since they are taller than 200', half-wave towers
for medium-wave stations must be illuminated, which adds to their
construction cost and requires paying ongoing electric bills for the
energy that keeps the lights on.

For all of these reasons, the WKOX/WRCA/WUNR five-tower site in Newton
uses towers just shorter than 200', which is less than 1/4 wavelength
at 1200. Electrically speaking, 85-degree towers are not at all
uncommon. Most likely, nearly half of the AM stations in the US use
towers that are no taller than 85 degrees. Signals from such towers
are not regarded as being subject to unusual phasing problems. But
that WKOX should possibly be experiencing bad phasing at a distance of
less than nine miles from its site and ~90 degrees away from its
radiation minimum is not a good early sign.

Once WKOX is running the full 50 kW, my location will be either just
inside or just outside of the station's 13.<something> mV/m NIF
contour. Normally, I don't think phasing should be expected to be a
significant problem at such a location. Right now, though, while WKOX
is running only 1 kW at night, the signal I get here is only about 1.8
mV/m. 1200 is a noisy channel here in the northeast and there
certainly is a lot of noise under WKOX's night signal. Could the
problem be the result of the interfering signals (CFGO, WTLA, WAGE,
and others)? Definitely! But it didn't sound to me as if that was the
case. I'll guess I'll just have to wait for the real (50 kW) thing.

However, nighttime-reception reports from others would be welcome.
Just be sure to tell us when and where you were listening.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 13:43:01 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
Message-ID: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald. http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2008_09_19_Bob_Lobel_launches_comeback_-_on_radio/srvc=home&position=7

Does this mean that CBS wants to move 103.3 off of oldies eventually? I can't imagine Lobel doing a "that was the Beatles; here's the Stones" type of shift. I'm guessing there will be even less music (although the holiday music may change that equation) in the mornings and after the intial curiosity wears off their #s will be down.


      

From scott@fybush.com  Fri Sep 19 13:57:25 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:57:25 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D3E805.6090400@fybush.com>

Maureen Carney wrote:
> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.

WHAT?!?!!?!!?

Seems to me that for a morning show, you want someone who's friendly, 
relatable, fairly relaxed...and whatever Bob Lobel's considerable 
virtues as a broadcaster might be, none of those are adjectives I'd 
attribute to him.

If nothing else, it's certainly one hell of a shift away from ol' Uncle 
Dale.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Sep 19 14:15:37 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:15:37 -0500
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <48D3E805.6090400@fybush.com>
References: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E805.6090400@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809191115s21d455edr575e76983d147e94@mail.gmail.com>

This indicates Dale may have been pushed into semi-retirement.

It also indicates WODS may soon be blown up and go all sports. CBS
does have the hockey and football radio contracts and a track record
in other markets with all sports.

Lobie is not a morning person so this will be fascinating to watch.

Big winner in this may well be Ordway as now another potential dance
partner is out there. Pass the popcorn.

On 9/19/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> Maureen Carney wrote:
>> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.
>
> WHAT?!?!!?!!?
>
> Seems to me that for a morning show, you want someone who's friendly,
> relatable, fairly relaxed...and whatever Bob Lobel's considerable
> virtues as a broadcaster might be, none of those are adjectives I'd
> attribute to him.
>
> If nothing else, it's certainly one hell of a shift away from ol' Uncle
> Dale.
>
> s
>

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 14:19:15 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <526304.8731.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 9/19/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.
> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2008_09_19_Bob_Lobel_launches_comeback_-_on_radio/srvc=home&position=7
> 
> Does this mean that CBS wants to move 103.3 off of oldies
> eventually? I can't imagine Lobel doing a "that was
> the Beatles; here's the Stones" type of shift.
> I'm guessing there will be even less music (although the
> holiday music may change that equation) in the mornings and
> after the intial curiosity wears off their #s will be down.

I like how Ted Jordan said he "realized" Bob was out of work when he ran into him at a restaurant. Um, yeah, didn't see him much driving down SFR anymore? 

Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be surprised if 103.3 isn't all-sports by Christmas. You just don't make this type of move if you want to stay with the format.

(If they do blow up Oldies, what becomes of WZLX? I would think they'd have to benefit?)


      

From markwats@comcast.net  Fri Sep 19 14:19:31 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:19:31 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
References: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <043e01c91a84$43ac7270$0302a8c0@Mark>

Maureen Carney wrote:

> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.

  So Bob Lobel returns to the CBS payroll, only a few months after same 
corporation buys out his TV contract.

  I also have to echo Scott Fybush's comment in his post about it being "one 
hell of a shift away from Uncle Dale". It should be interesting to hear this 
on Monday.

  And the next question: who takes Karen Blake's afternoon spot?

Mark Watson 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Sep 19 14:36:36 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:36:36 -0500
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <526304.8731.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <810596.34790.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<526304.8731.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809191136n6ad8ea17w60c839b5fa0176c3@mail.gmail.com>

Convenient that the timing coincides with Sox playoff run.

I agree with Sean that New York called this shot and a flip could
happen quickly with Bruins starting up in 2 weeks.

Ordway is up in 2 months and for all we know a deal with CBS might be
done but nothing will be announced until his deal is up so it would
not be a Howie fiasco. Lobel and Ordway are buddies so there isn't an
ego problem.




On 9/19/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9/19/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2008_09_19_Bob_Lobel_launches_comeback_-_on_radio/srvc=home&position=7
>>
>> Does this mean that CBS wants to move 103.3 off of oldies
>> eventually? I can't imagine Lobel doing a "that was
>> the Beatles; here's the Stones" type of shift.
>> I'm guessing there will be even less music (although the
>> holiday music may change that equation) in the mornings and
>> after the intial curiosity wears off their #s will be down.
>
> I like how Ted Jordan said he "realized" Bob was out of work when he ran
> into him at a restaurant. Um, yeah, didn't see him much driving down SFR
> anymore?
>
> Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be surprised if 103.3 isn't
> all-sports by Christmas. You just don't make this type of move if you want
> to stay with the format.
>
> (If they do blow up Oldies, what becomes of WZLX? I would think they'd have
> to benefit?)
>
>
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Fri Sep 19 14:38:15 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:38:15 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <526304.8731.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <526304.8731.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D3F197.9070307@fybush.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:

> Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be surprised if 103.3
> isn't all-sports by Christmas. You just don't make this type of move
> if you want to stay with the format.

Hey! Leave me some speculating for Monday's NERW :-)

If I were in Ted Jordan's shoes, I'd almost be thinking at this point 
about moving WBZ from 103 AM to 103 FM and using Lobel as a building 
block to do sports on 1030...but, hey, it's been almost 12 years since I 
walked out the door at 1170 SFR, so what do I know?

s

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 14:40:14 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
Message-ID: <625424.20870.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And to think we all thought this might happen - but to WBCN.



----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: ssmyth@psualum.com
Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>; Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:36:36 PM
Subject: Re: Uncle Dale's replacement...

Convenient that the timing coincides with Sox playoff run.

I agree with Sean that New York called this shot and a flip could
happen quickly with Bruins starting up in 2 weeks.

Ordway is up in 2 months and for all we know a deal with CBS might be
done but nothing will be announced until his deal is up so it would
not be a Howie fiasco. Lobel and Ordway are buddies so there isn't an
ego problem.




On 9/19/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9/19/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2008_09_19_Bob_Lobel_launches_comeback_-_on_radio/srvc=home&position=7
>>
>> Does this mean that CBS wants to move 103.3 off of oldies
>> eventually? I can't imagine Lobel doing a "that was
>> the Beatles; here's the Stones" type of shift.
>> I'm guessing there will be even less music (although the
>> holiday music may change that equation) in the mornings and
>> after the intial curiosity wears off their #s will be down.
>
> I like how Ted Jordan said he "realized" Bob was out of work when he ran
> into him at a restaurant. Um, yeah, didn't see him much driving down SFR
> anymore?
>
> Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be surprised if 103.3 isn't
> all-sports by Christmas. You just don't make this type of move if you want
> to stay with the format.
>
> (If they do blow up Oldies, what becomes of WZLX? I would think they'd have
> to benefit?)
>
>
>
>



      

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Sep 19 14:54:41 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <48D3F197.9070307@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <476247.68903.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 9/19/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
 > > Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be
> surprised if 103.3
> > isn't all-sports by Christmas. You just don't
> make this type of move
> > if you want to stay with the format.
> 
> Hey! Leave me some speculating for Monday's NERW :-)

Sorry, I should leave the speculating for the experts. :-) 

(And I am no expert on this. The only reason I made the comment that I did was Ted Jordan's comment struck me as something that was planted by someone above his pay grade. What restaurant did they run into each other at? Kowloon? Was Eddie there, too?)
 
> If I were in Ted Jordan's shoes, I'd almost be
> thinking at this point 
> about moving WBZ from 103 AM to 103 FM and using Lobel as a
> building 
> block to do sports on 1030...but, hey, it's been almost
> 12 years since I 
> walked out the door at 1170 SFR, so what do I know?

But then that runs to the opposite of what operators are doing in many markets, taking sports off AM and moving to FM. Then again, not every stick is WBZ...


      

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 15:04:42 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:04:42 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Here's my speculation....

I think CBS is juyst trying to burn off Lobel's contract.

He was "let go" by ch 4 even though he was under contract.

I think Ch 4 hoped to negotiate an "out" (buyout).

Lobel and his agent probably insisted on getting paid the full amount of the 
contract.

CBS's response is..."If we have to keep paying you, we'll make you work!"

   ......hoping he wants out of this early morning gig...and will negotiate 
a buyout of his contract.


$.02 


From scott@fybush.com  Fri Sep 19 16:19:23 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:19:23 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Sean Smyth wrote:

>> If I were in Ted Jordan's shoes, I'd almost be thinking at this
>> point about moving WBZ from 103 AM to 103 FM and using Lobel as a 
>> building block to do sports on 1030...but, hey, it's been almost 12
>> years since I walked out the door at 1170 SFR, so what do I know?
> 
> But then that runs to the opposite of what operators are doing in
> many markets, taking sports off AM and moving to FM. Then again, not
> every stick is WBZ...

The real trend is news and talk to FM, and if we assume WBZ continues to 
be king of the revenue/ratings hill, the theory is that moving it to FM 
would make it more visible to a younger demo...whereas in Boston, the 
sports audience will presumably find you no matter where you are on the 
dial.

The model here is Phoenix, where Bonneville moved news-talk KTAR from 
620 to 92.3, then went sports on 620.

Of course, the threat is that as soon as CBS makes a move like this, 
Entercom pulls the trigger and puts WEEI on 97.7 or 93.7 (or finally 
closes the deal for 99.5...)

s

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Fri Sep 19 16:23:00 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:23:00 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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> Sean Smyth wrote:
> 
> >> If I were in Ted Jordan's shoes, I'd almost be thinking at this
> >> point about moving WBZ from 103 AM to 103 FM and using Lobel as a
> >> building block to do sports on 1030...but, hey, it's been almost 12
> >> years since I walked out the door at 1170 SFR, so what do I know?
> >
> > But then that runs to the opposite of what operators are doing in
> > many markets, taking sports off AM and moving to FM. Then again, not
> > every stick is WBZ...
> 
> The real trend is news and talk to FM, and if we assume WBZ continues
> to
> be king of the revenue/ratings hill, the theory is that moving it to FM
> would make it more visible to a younger demo...whereas in Boston, the
> sports audience will presumably find you no matter where you are on the
> dial.
> 
> The model here is Phoenix, where Bonneville moved news-talk KTAR from
> 620 to 92.3, then went sports on 620.
> 
> Of course, the threat is that as soon as CBS makes a move like this,
> Entercom pulls the trigger and puts WEEI on 97.7 or 93.7 (or finally
> closes the deal for 99.5...)
> 

[Brian Vita] And then AM becomes the real home for the dead with ethnic and
dollar a holler programming filling the void.


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Sep 19 15:50:48 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:50:48 -0400
Subject: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston
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While we're on this subject: something that has never made sense to me is 
why WBZ uses AccuWeather rather than the meteorologists of its sister TV 
station.  This has been the case for a long time now; I'm quite sure the 
practice predates Westinghouse's purchase of CBS.  Can anyone explain?

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
To: <ssmyth@psualum.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: Metro Networks Cuts In Boston


> The irony is Feder may well be on the chopping block at the Sun Times.
> The paper is rumored to be making more newsroom cuts but Marotti
> quitting has helped cut payroll some as he was making 500K. The open
> letter to Marotti by Roger Ebert was astonishing to see in print.
>
>
> In fairness the Sun Times was raped by Conrad Black and they actually
> had to sell their building on Wabash to Donald Trump to stay afloat.
> Their home delivery is now handled by the Tribune and they are hanging
> on by a thread as is the Herald. The paper has never really recovered
> from the messy situation caused by the Field brothers who couldn't
> stand each other and they liquidated their holdings in print and
> broadcasting (in fact closed Channel 48 in Philly because they
> couldn't wait for a buyer). 


From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Sep 19 17:20:07 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:20:07 -0500
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
and age why not?

The internet has eliminated one of the big advantages the clear
channels had in keeping displaced people in touch with their home
city. When I lived in Chicago 20 years ago I needed WBZ to keep in
touch with what was going on in Boston. That of course is no longer
the case.

Also years ago people in northern New England used to listen to WBZ
for big city radio but now how many people really care about Boston
news 100 miles away.

Making 1030 all sports it could compete on its own with the WEEI
network given the signal.

Also by bring Lobel back in the fold he could be brought back to
Channel 4 part time for Sports Final and Patriots coverage which have
slipped since he left.

In New York moving WINS to FM would solve the signal proplems on 1010.

Just might happen.

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Fri Sep 19 21:21:13 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:21:13 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Radioandrecords.com has a different take on this move.  Their article  
calls Lobel a "guest host" so this may not be a permanent thing.  In  
fact, the Herald article says Lobel will be "on all fall,"  whatever  
that means.  My question is, did they bring him in to talk sports,  
particularly with the Sox prepping for the playoffs and of course the  
Pats, to sort of bridge the gap between the beginning of the fall  
book and the start of the all Christmas music season?  Or, is this  
part of a larger move to eventually go all sports.  It seems to me  
this flip may happen later rather than sooner.  If they were going to  
pull the switch right away, why would they name Karen Blake to  
mornings as well?  I doubt she would be kept on through a format change.

I find it odd that CBS could be considering blowing up oldies/classic  
hits, since their sister stations in the format, WOGL/Philadelphia  
and  WCBS-FM/New York seem to be thriving with the PPM.  Maybe the  
idea of putting all-sports on FM to compete with WEEI seems like a  
more lucrative choice than sticking with classic hits.

As far as moving WBZ to FM, that one may take awhile.  I'm sure that  
CBS wants to see how WBCN and WZLX do in the PPM before deciding what  
to do with 1030.  If either FM tanks, I could see WBZ's programming  
shifting to FM, but that won't be determined until PPM is up and  
running for awhile, which will be a couple of years down the road.

-Dave

On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Sean Smyth wrote:

> On Fri, 9/19/08, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> is Bob Lobel, according to today's Boston Herald.
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/ 
>> 2008_09_19_Bob_Lobel_launches_comeback_-_on_radio/ 
>> srvc=home&position=7
>>
>> Does this mean that CBS wants to move 103.3 off of oldies
>> eventually? I can't imagine Lobel doing a "that was
>> the Beatles; here's the Stones" type of shift.
>> I'm guessing there will be even less music (although the
>> holiday music may change that equation) in the mornings and
>> after the intial curiosity wears off their #s will be down.
>
> I like how Ted Jordan said he "realized" Bob was out of work when  
> he ran into him at a restaurant. Um, yeah, didn't see him much  
> driving down SFR anymore?
>
> Sounds like this move came from up top, and I'd be surprised if  
> 103.3 isn't all-sports by Christmas. You just don't make this type  
> of move if you want to stay with the format.
>
> (If they do blow up Oldies, what becomes of WZLX? I would think  
> they'd have to benefit?)
>

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Sep 20 01:15:26 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:15:26 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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> It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
> and age why not?

Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.

From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Sep 21 00:52:50 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:52:50 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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On 20 Sep 2008 at 1:15, Don A wrote:

> > It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
> > and age why not?
> 
> Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.

I'm not even sure they could.  Not and keep those call letters.  As I 
understand the current rules, once a station gives up a three-letter 
callsign, it's gone.  Another station could not apply for the three-
letter call, unless the FCC can be persuaded to make an exception to 
its current rules.  Or the rules change.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 01:05:00 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:05:00 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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AM 930 in Los Angeles got the "KHJ" call letters back on March 15, 2000
after almost exactly 10 years to the day of being KKHJ.

Paul



On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:52 AM, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:

>  On 20 Sep 2008 at 1:15, Don A wrote:
>
> > > It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
> > > and age why not?
> >
> > Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.
>
> I'm not even sure they could.  Not and keep those call letters.  As I
> understand the current rules, once a station gives up a three-letter
> callsign, it's gone.  Another station could not apply for the three-
> letter call, unless the FCC can be persuaded to make an exception to
> its current rules.  Or the rules change.
>
> --
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>  92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004
> http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Sep 21 01:12:26 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:12:26 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Sure they could.  If CBS wanted to move the WBZ format to FM, they  
would probably want to simulcast on both frequencies for awhile  
anyway.  They could apply for WBZ-FM and since it's a co-owned  
station in the same market, it would be granted without a problem.    
Once the simulcasting was done and lets say 1030 changes it's call  
letters (why you'd want to do that I have no idea) CBS could then  
petition the FCC modify the WBZ-FM calls to drop the -FM suffix and  
just go with WBZ.  Unless CBS decided to sell 1030 outright, I can't  
see this happening, but the news-talk format moving to FM is  
something I can envision down the road.

-Dave Tomm


On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:52 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote:

> On 20 Sep 2008 at 1:15, Don A wrote:
>
>>> It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
>>> and age why not?
>>
>> Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.
>
> I'm not even sure they could.  Not and keep those call letters.  As I
> understand the current rules, once a station gives up a three-letter
> callsign, it's gone.  Another station could not apply for the three-
> letter call, unless the FCC can be persuaded to make an exception to
> its current rules.  Or the rules change.
>

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Sep 21 01:17:13 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:17:13 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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IIRC, that was a special instance because the KHJ calls were  
considered "heritage" in that market.  In most cases the FCC wouldn't  
allow it (especially if it was in another city) but an exception was  
made due to the circumstances.

-Dave Tomm

On Sep 21, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

> AM 930 in Los Angeles got the "KHJ" call letters back on March 15,  
> 2000
> after almost exactly 10 years to the day of being KKHJ.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:52 AM, A. Joseph Ross  
> <joe@attorneyross.com>wrote:
>
>>  On 20 Sep 2008 at 1:15, Don A wrote:
>>
>>>> It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this  
>>>> day
>>>> and age why not?
>>>
>>> Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.
>>
>> I'm not even sure they could.  Not and keep those call letters.  As I
>> understand the current rules, once a station gives up a three-letter
>> callsign, it's gone.  Another station could not apply for the three-
>> letter call, unless the FCC can be persuaded to make an exception to
>> its current rules.  Or the rules change.
>>
>> --
>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>>  92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
>> Boston, MA 02109-2004
>> http://www.attorneyross.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
> http://www.realradiousa.com
> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Sep 21 01:20:51 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:20:51 -0400
Subject: (K)KHJ
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<<On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:17:13 -0400, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> said:

> IIRC, that was a special instance because the KHJ calls were  
> considered "heritage" in that market.

No, that was a special, erm, instance because (K)KHJ broadcasts in
Spanish and the owners told the FCC that they didn't want to be
talking about caca (which means exactly what you think) when the
station refers to itself on-air.  (Never mind the fact that they've
always done the legal ID in English and never need to mention the
callsign at any other time.)

-GAWollman


From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 01:26:15 2008
From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:26:15 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Actually, I don't think it had to do with heritage in regards to getting the
KHJ call letters back.

AM 930 runs a spanish format and as a friend of mine whos been in radio 40
years thats completely bilingual confirmed what I read elsewhere that
"KK"HJ, loosely translated means s&^t.

Lieberman broadcasting petitioned for a 3 call letter based upon the special
circumstances and got it.


Paul


On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:17 AM, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net>wrote:

> IIRC, that was a special instance because the KHJ calls were considered
> "heritage" in that market.  In most cases the FCC wouldn't allow it
> (especially if it was in another city) but an exception was made due to the
> circumstances.
>
> -Dave Tomm
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
>
> AM 930 in Los Angeles got the "KHJ" call letters back on March 15, 2000
>> after almost exactly 10 years to the day of being KKHJ.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:52 AM, A. Joseph Ross <joe@attorneyross.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  On 20 Sep 2008 at 1:15, Don A wrote:
>>>
>>>  It is hard to conceive that WBZ could be moved to FM but in this day
>>>>> and age why not?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because that would decimate their property value at 1030AM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not even sure they could.  Not and keep those call letters.  As I
>>> understand the current rules, once a station gives up a three-letter
>>> callsign, it's gone.  Another station could not apply for the three-
>>> letter call, unless the FCC can be persuaded to make an exception to
>>> its current rules.  Or the rules change.
>>>
>>> --
>>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>>>  92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
>>> Boston, MA 02109-2004
>>> http://www.attorneyross.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Paul B. Walker, Jr.
>> http://www.realradiousa.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
>> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Paul B. Walker, Jr.
http://www.realradiousa.com
http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting
walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com

From scott@fybush.com  Sun Sep 21 01:28:47 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:28:47 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
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Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> AM 930 in Los Angeles got the "KHJ" call letters back on March 15, 2000 
> after almost exactly 10 years to the day of being KKHJ.

Yes, they did - but that has nothing to do with Joe's concerns.

In the case of KHJ, the three-letter KHJ base call had been abandoned 
completely - KHJ(AM) became KRTH(AM) in the mid-eighties, and then 
KHJ-TV became KCAL-TV a few years later. So there was NO "KHJ" left at 
all, and it took a special dispensation from the FCC (and some ca-ca 
excuses about how "K-K-H-J," when spoken in Spanish, started with 
"ka-ka," never mind that the station was doing its legal ID in English) 
to get the old calls back.

If CBS were to move the WBZ calls to FM, it could do so with no such 
special FCC permissions required. The Commission has long allowed 
holders of three-letter calls to use that same base call on other 
services in the same market. Recent examples have included the addition 
of WWL-FM in the New Orleans market, WGL-FM in the Fort Wayne market and 
KSL-FM in the Salt Lake City market, the return of WIL(AM) in St. Louis 
and WGH(AM) in Newport News VA (in both markets, the three-letter base 
call had survived on FM), and the return of WWJ-TV in Detroit.

CBS could put the WBZ-FM calls on any of its FMs in the market tomorrow 
with nothing more than a postcard form and a $65 fee to the FCC. And 
because the three-letter base calls would live on at WBZ-TV, it could 
change the calls on AM 1030 to something else tomorrow, and still flip 
an FM to WBZ-FM a year later, if it so desired for some reason.

The FCC has liberalized its handling of three-letter calls in the last 
few years. It's now possible to move a three-letter call from one 
station in a service to a co-owned station in that same service, as long 
as it's within the same market. In the last decade, we've seen the WHK 
calls on three Salem-owned AMs in the Cleveland market, for instance. 
KFH has been on two Wichita AMs. KOY has been on two Phoenix AMs.

The FCC still won't allow several other moves: you can't use a 
three-letter base call in another service on a co-owned station in a 
different market (so while you can have KCBS(AM) in San Francisco and 
KCBS-FM/KCBS-TV in Los Angeles, you can't have KNX(AM) in Los Angeles 
and KNX-FM in San Francisco); nor has it allowed owners to move a 
three-letter call to a different market altogether (so while CBS could 
change the calls of WBZ(AM) to WCBS(AM), it couldn't make the reverse 
move) - and with the exception of KHJ, WGH, and a handful of cases in 
the 1958-1972 time frame, it hasn't allowed owners to revive a 
three-letter base call once it's been withdrawn from use across all 
services.

The canonical list of three-letter call changes lives here:

http://earlyradiohistory.us/3myst.htm
http://earlyradiohistory.us/3roll.htm

s



From scott@fybush.com  Sun Sep 21 01:43:04 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:43:04 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80809202226t6be306bawabe47e3150d6cd18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <476247.68903.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<13E0949B15C64447AB3E1FCBEB074EB7@MainXPPro>	<48D59AE2.18753.851C5A@joe.attorneyross.com>	<8bce0fe80809202205t4075ff89q546c2a14cab37afc@mail.gmail.com>	<9233647A-B806-4163-9F68-A31AA6A2186D@charter.net>
	<8bce0fe80809202226t6be306bawabe47e3150d6cd18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D5DEE8.6050004@fybush.com>

Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
> Actually, I don't think it had to do with heritage in regards to getting the
> KHJ call letters back.
> 
> AM 930 runs a spanish format and as a friend of mine whos been in radio 40
> years thats completely bilingual confirmed what I read elsewhere that
> "KK"HJ, loosely translated means s&^t.
> 
> Lieberman broadcasting petitioned for a 3 call letter based upon the special
> circumstances and got it.

Yes, that's what they told the FCC, and yes, it's true that it's a 
somewhat plausible excuse. It's not what they believed inside the 
station at the time, though, and I have that from the people who 
actually filed the application.

(As Garrett points out, the station has never given its legal ID in 
Spanish, either as KKHJ or KHJ, and it never uses the calls outside 
legal ID time.)

s

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sun Sep 21 03:02:26 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:02:26 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
References: <476247.68903.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<13E0949B15C64447AB3E1FCBEB074EB7@MainXPPro><48D59AE2.18753.851C5A@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<60149EDD-EBCF-4D38-BDAE-4E267E26C031@charter.net>
Message-ID: <FAAC6A015E3945149373DC575EA47FF5@MainXPPro>




> Sure they could.  If CBS wanted to move the WBZ format to FM, they  
> would probably want to simulcast on both frequencies for awhile  
> anyway.  They could apply for WBZ-FM and since it's a co-owned  
> station in the same market, it would be granted without a problem.    
> Once the simulcasting was done and lets say 1030 changes it's call  
> letters...


Then CBS is left with a 50KW AM transmitter with no programming.

And virtually no value.



From sid@wrko.com  Sun Sep 21 10:42:15 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement...
In-Reply-To: <48D5DB8F.8030509@fybush.com>
References: <476247.68903.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<13E0949B15C64447AB3E1FCBEB074EB7@MainXPPro>
	<48D59AE2.18753.851C5A@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<8bce0fe80809202205t4075ff89q546c2a14cab37afc@mail.gmail.com>,
	<48D5DB8F.8030509@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80987447D9C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>CBS could put the WBZ-FM calls on any of its FMs in the market tomorrow
with nothing more than a postcard form and a $65 fee to the FCC.<<

Not even a postcard form anymore.  All call-sign reservations and changes are now done exclusively online.

Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040

From friedbagels@gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 13:34:30 2008
From: friedbagels@gmail.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:34:30 -0400
Subject: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)
Message-ID: <48D685A6.2020509@gmail.com>

 > Sure they could.  If CBS wanted to move the WBZ format to FM, they
 > would probably want to simulcast on both frequencies for awhile
 > anyway.  They could apply for WBZ-FM and since it's a co-owned
 > station in the same market, it would be granted without a problem.
 > Once the simulcasting was done and lets say 1030 changes it's call
 > letters...


Then CBS is left with a 50KW AM transmitter with no programming.

And virtually no value.

---------------

Surely you jest.  A clear-channelled 50kW AM has plenty of value, no 
matter what.  I'll bet you $75 million dollars that Entercom sure as 
hell would love to put the Sox on WBZ's signal!   And I don't know off 
the top of my head who's got the Celtics next year, but if the boys in 
Green are not on WBZ already, I'll bet you they wish they were.

So would the Bruins, I suppose, but who gives a crap about them, eh? 
;-)  j/k

Granted, Entercom buying 1030 and moving the Sox there - in turn - would 
somewhat devalue 850AM, but not all that much; WEEI's signal, despite 
it's nighttime issues, is still quite good.  I could see them getting 
well into eight figures for it.  If it doesn't get out of seven figures, 
well, I'll bet one of the pubradio outfits would figure out a way to buy 
it.  WBUR perhaps less so, but WGBH or WUMB could REALLY benefit from 
having 850's signal.

To pull back a bit...if AM is dead, or dying, then why did three 
companies fight so hard to complete the WUNR-WRCA-WKOX triplex? 
Obviously they think there's still substantial dollar value in AM or 
else they wouldn't have dropped millions in equipment, labor and 
man-hours to put it together.

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Read	       |  General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM
friedbagels@gmail.com  |  Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting
Rochester, NY 14618    |  (315) 521-0569 cell

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Sep 21 15:01:20 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:01:20 -0400
Subject: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)
References: <48D685A6.2020509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DEF1FABB4F14946A7F249ED63E22ACA@SatU205S5044>

I believe that, by Clear Channel's estimate, the WKOX/WRCA move was in
the works for 12 years, and that may not be the whole length of time
either, because Fairbanks started the ball rolling by buying and
taking dark WNSW 1200 Brewer ME several years before CCU bought WKOX.
Eliminating the Portland ME area signal was essential if WKOX was
going to upgrade.

Anyhow, can you say with any certainty that that the site move would
still have been thought to be a sound business proposition if the
project had started later--say, just before CCU started making moves
to go private--which must still take us back almost two years, if not
longer.

I have the impression that, despite escalating costs, the project kept
moving forward for two main reasons (1) WRCA HAD to move and (2) Clear
Channel was not about to let itself be pushed around by the City of
Newton. Thing is, I believe that WRCA could have done OK simply by
moving to WUNR's original tall towers. Using those towers, WRCA could
not have continued to run 5 kW; the ratchet rule and protections to
Derry and Attleboro would have necessitated a power reduction. But the
signal would probably still have been viable for Beasley's purposes.
Moreover, the cost would have been dramatically lower and the work
could have been completed YEARS ago.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Read" <friedbagels@gmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)


>
> To pull back a bit...if AM is dead, or dying, then why did three
> companies fight so hard to complete the WUNR-WRCA-WKOX triplex?
> Obviously they think there's still substantial dollar value in AM or
> else they wouldn't have dropped millions in equipment, labor and
> man-hours to put it together.
>
> -- 
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Aaron Read        |  General Manager, WEOS 89.7FM
> friedbagels@gmail.com  |  Fried Bagels Broadcast Consulting
> Rochester, NY 14618    |  (315) 521-0569 cell


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sun Sep 21 16:22:38 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)
In-Reply-To: <8DEF1FABB4F14946A7F249ED63E22ACA@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <917589.45454.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Sun, 9/21/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> I believe that, by Clear Channel's estimate, the
> WKOX/WRCA move was in
> the works for 12 years, and that may not be the whole
> length of time
> either, because Fairbanks started the ball rolling by
> buying and
> taking dark WNSW 1200 Brewer ME several years before CCU
> bought WKOX.
> Eliminating the Portland ME area signal was essential if
> WKOX was
> going to upgrade.

Ah, yes, the plan to move to the WNTN tower and run 50kw-ND...who could forget that?


      

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Sep 21 17:21:05 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:21:05 -0400
Subject: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)
References: <917589.45454.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <182FA9519CF84AE8A552C5A6CB0A4782@SatU205S5044>

50 kW ND from 143 Rumford Ave was to be used by day only. WKOX would
have become a dual-site operation and the CoL would have remained
Framingham. The night facilities were to be 50 kW from a new
three-tower array at the old 100 Mt Wayte Ave site. The three in-line
200' towers would have been spaced a rather tight 60 degrees from
tower to tower on a due east-west line. The town of Framingham had
other ideas however. The Zoning Board would never approve replacing
the two 440' towers with three 200' towers even though the tall towers
are illuminated and the short towers would not have been, and even
though the tall towers could do much more damage if they fell (as
actually happened in late August 1981, only weeks after construction
of the tall towers was completed).

When that proposal was rejected, WKOX tried the former Sperry Rand
property on Route 117 in Sudbury, but Sudbury was no more welcoming
than Framingham had been. There were other stops (actually,
non-starters) along the way. One was the former Dow Chemical (I
believe) property off Route 30 in Cochituate. I believe that there
were other proposed sites in addition to the ones I have listed, but I
can't remember them.

After Sudbury rejected WKOX's bid to use the Route 117 site, Alex
Langer filed to move 1060 there. He most likely used that application
as a placeholder while he negotiated with Fairbanks to for a triplex
that had his 1060 and 650 share the Mt Wayte site with WKOX.
Certainly, Langer must have understood that if Sudbury didn't want
1200 on Route 117 they weren't going to accept having 1060 there.

It is interesting to note that had WKOX succeeded in getting approval
for the three-tower night array on Mt Wayte Ave, WBIX, which uses the
two tall towers there by day, either would have very different
facilities or might have wound up back at Sewell St in Ashland by day
as well as by night. The Sewell St site is the one that 1060
originally developed for full-time use but from which it was first
evicted by what is now WAMG 890. 1060 later returned to the Ashland
site for its night operation, however.

As an avid reader of Scott Fybush's Tower Site of the Week, I now
realize how many broadcast sites have long and tangled histories that
involve multiple stations, but the attempted and real periginations of
WKOX and the real-life travels of WBIX and WSRO were my first
experiences with the re-use of AM sites. I consider the stories quite
fascinating.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Smyth" <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>; "Dan.Strassberg"
<dan.strassberg@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Moving from AM to FM (was : Uncle Dale's replacement)


> On Sun, 9/21/08, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
>> I believe that, by Clear Channel's estimate, the
>> WKOX/WRCA move was in
>> the works for 12 years, and that may not be the whole
>> length of time
>> either, because Fairbanks started the ball rolling by
>> buying and
>> taking dark WNSW 1200 Brewer ME several years before CCU
>> bought WKOX.
>> Eliminating the Portland ME area signal was essential if
>> WKOX was
>> going to upgrade.
>
> Ah, yes, the plan to move to the WNTN tower and run 50kw-ND...who
> could forget that?
>
>
>


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Sun Sep 21 15:14:49 2008
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:14:49 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com><18642.55779.340157.197495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<48d30953.0807c00a.7c20.ffff9122@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <006601c91c1e$520ab5c0$69824c0c@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: SteveOrdinetz <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: BostonRadio Mailing List <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?


>   Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
> >The number one cause is poor maintenance, followed closely by theft or
> >malicious destruction of the ground system.
>
> Not to mention the ever-increasing amount of noise on the AM
> band.  Even powerhouse signals are getting harder to hear with all
> the LED traffic lights, CF lightbulbs, powerline hash, auto ignition
> noise, etc.
>

I have a curious noise on the upper end of the AM band all the way into the
shortwave spectrum after sundown every night. It's a steady rat-a-tat-tat
that sounds something like the shortwave "Russian Woodpecker" of the '70s
and '80s, but without the variations in volume. I can receive it on my car
radio for about 1/10th to 1/8th of a mile in either direction before it
fades out. What does that sound like to you? If it's something in the power
lines, would it do any good to call the utility, especially since the
problem only manifests itself at night?

Howard



From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Sun Sep 21 19:22:22 2008
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:22:22 -0400
Subject: DOT-FM Re: WXZO format change to oldies?
In-Reply-To: <006601c91c1e$520ab5c0$69824c0c@oemcomputer>
References: <20080918215730.3592747808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com><18642.55779.340157.197495@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><48d30953.0807c00a.7c20.ffff9122@mx.google.com>
	<006601c91c1e$520ab5c0$69824c0c@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c91c40$e78ecd30$3ffe3d18@aeriema>

I get the same noise most nights here in the Andover area until 11 PM or
later most weeknights. As you say, it's mostly on the upper end of the AM
dial. It's not on all night, so I've assumed it was something that is shut
down on a particular schedule. I generally do not get it on Sunday nights,
but sometimes do get it on Saturdays. I was thinking it might be something
they are doing at one of the local high tech firms that is producing RF
noise. I enjoy listening to WWKB 1520 from Buffalo, and some nights I just
have to give up on it.


>I have a curious noise on the upper end of the AM band all the way into the
>shortwave spectrum after sundown every night. It's a steady rat-a-tat-tat
>that sounds something like the shortwave "Russian Woodpecker" of the '70s
>and '80s, but without the variations in volume. I can receive it on my car
>radio for about 1/10th to 1/8th of a mile in either direction before it
>fades out. What does that sound like to you? If it's something in the power
>lines, would it do any good to call the utility, especially since the
>problem only manifests itself at night?

Howard



From m_carney@yahoo.com  Mon Sep 22 08:56:05 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lobel's First Day
Message-ID: <642992.70095.qm@web53307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I listened a little on my way into work this morning. The liners have him as the official co-host, but Karen Blake kept refering to him as the "guest host". They're still playing music and taking calls but that needs to be worked out a little smoother. No sooner does a caller get on the air then they have to go to a commerical break. Lobel seemed (at least to me) a little ill at ease, which is to be expected. It's been 30 years since he's done a daily radio show, and we all know he's not a morning person. Personally, if Lobel is to succeed in the format he needs a co-host of his chosing. This is nothing aginast Karen Blake, who is a solid professional. Bobby just would function better with someone who knows where he's going rather than someone trying to lead him. 

Just my .02.

Maureen


      

From Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org  Mon Sep 22 06:33:53 2008
From: Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org (Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:33:53 -1000
Subject: Uncle Dale's replacement
Message-ID: <OF270FDF75.E1FD2203-ON0A2574CC.00398AC8-0A2574CC.003A08C4@kp.org>

In Bob Lobel's pre WBZ days at WGIR, he would take a regular Saturday 
morning shift spinning MOR records.  His comments regarding Johny Mathis 
were right on. 

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Sep 22 18:55:19 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:55:19 -0400
Subject: WBZ new top of the hour ID
Message-ID: <20080922225515.C7BA41F5189@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>

Didn't know if anyone noticed that WBZ Radio has changed their top 
and bottom of the hour ID-- I have mixed feelings about it and 
wondered what everyone else thought.


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Sep 22 19:08:57 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:08:57 -0400
Subject: WBZ new top of the hour ID
In-Reply-To: <20080922225515.C7BA41F5189@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20080922225515.C7BA41F5189@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <48D82589.4010002@ttlc.net>

Donna,

Thanks for opening the door.  I, too, have mixed feelings.  The voice 
that opens the ID sounds too much like  on-air talent doing a promo*, 
not the different-sounding "Really-Big Voice Guy" who only does the 
"Hey, Something Big Here - Listen Closely & Pay Attention!" stuff like 
TOH ID's.   It catches me off-guard momentarily and leaves me feeling 
unsettled.  At first, I thought it was just because it was new, but now 
after all this time, I still can't shake it.

* At first, I thought it was Gary LaPierre, but somehow it doesn't quite 
sound exactly like him

Roger
.

Donna Halper wrote:
> Didn't know if anyone noticed that WBZ Radio has changed their top and 
> bottom of the hour ID-- I have mixed feelings about it and wondered 
> what everyone else thought.
>
>
>

From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep 23 01:13:29 2008
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:13:29 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
Message-ID: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>

Anyone have insight, comment or analysis?

http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html

"The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM 
stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would 
operate in digital mode."


I just learned of it in AM Stereo Forum (Email group),
but since this was published Aug 1 2008, I could be way
behind the times.

Bob






From sid@wrko.com  Tue Sep 23 07:15:07 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:15:07 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
In-Reply-To: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE809890EC702@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com>

>>Anyone have insight, comment or analysis?

http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html

"The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM
stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would
operate in digital mode."<<

Good idea.  It makes sense, with one exception:  It says nothing about what happens to those TV stations who will be using channels 5 and 6 after the DTV transition next February.  There aren't a lot, but there are some.

Since it makes sense, expect fierce opposition from the NAB and anyone else whose interest is in maintaining the disparity between AM and FM that currently exists.


Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF
WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM
WEEI Sports Radio Network
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Brighton MA  02135-2040




From blainethompson@gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 11:29:13 2008
From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:29:13 -0400
Subject: WBZ - Who is that voice?
Message-ID: <7bded94e0809230829g233285ffxc315b27d18f9d6d9@mail.gmail.com>

I was reminiscing last night about the old WBZ ID's - "While you're driving
your car, we're driving fifty thousand watts of power."

Any idea who voiced those?

- Blaine

From radio88@radio88.net  Tue Sep 23 12:10:43 2008
From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:10:43 -0400
Subject: WBZ's IDs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1222185600.49711.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
References: <mailman.1.1222185600.49711.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <A41F1716-8224-446E-995F-53931329C727@radio88.net>

The voice opening the new TOH ID is Gary LaPierre.  It's also good to  
hear again the five-tone jingle that WBZ used extensively in the 70s  
and 80s (it's tucked between the "WBZ" and the "WBZ-HD, Boston.")

Here's a link to some of my archived WBZ jingles and out-takes.  As I  
recall most of their 70s packages were done by TM Productions of Dallas.
http://web.mit.edu/glickman/www/audio/WBZnostalgia.mp3

I was an intern at WBZ in the mid-70s for Norm Macdonald and Don  
Kent.  Sure, drawing their weather maps with the tempra marker was  
fun.  But what I really enjoyed was after the 11pm Saturday night TV  
news, going down to radio and watching Listo Fisher do the midnight  
WBZ news, then leading in to Robin Young's overnight show.

-Todd

==========================

Todd Glickman
Certified Broadcast Meteorologist
WCBS Newsradio-880
New York City, NY
Email:	radio88@radio88.net
http://www.radioweather.net

Todd Glickman '77
Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, W98-400
600 Memorial Drive, 4th Floor
Cambridge, MA 02139
Email:	glickman@mit.edu
Phone:	(617) 452-2457


From blindboy317@verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 05:26:13 2008
From: blindboy317@verizon.net (Chuck Ingham)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:26:13 -0400
Subject: WBZ's IDs
Message-ID: <0617ECF189374A22B31520884EC34BC7@defaultcomp>

I would be willing to bet that that is Gary Lapierre doing the top and bottom of the hour IDS, along with JJ Wright, not sure to whom the female voice belongs. I suppose they have to change things around once in a while, but to an ametuer such as I it sounds a bit too techno, or overly produced.

From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Sep 23 17:50:06 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:50:06 -0500
Subject: WESX-AM Gets License To Cover
Message-ID: <20080923215006.0827FBE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com>

A recent FCC Applications list included permission for WESX-AM 1230 to initiate
broadcasting from the WLYN-AM tower in Lynn.  I'm not about to expend the 
gasoline to go out there...have any denizens of the North Shore happened to notice 
whether that's happened already? (At home, I turned one of my radios, the one I
used to listen to "Let's Talk About Radio" sideways to Lynn, and could make out the 
programming on WNEB-AM in Worcester, although very faintly.)


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From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Sep 24 01:31:03 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:31:03 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
In-Reply-To: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <48D99857.9825.798996@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 23 Sep 2008 at 1:13, Robert F. Sutherland wrote:

> "The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM
> stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would
> operate in digital mode."
 
Who's BMC?  To me, BMC means the Boston Municipal Court.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Sep 24 01:47:37 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:47:37 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
In-Reply-To: <48D99857.9825.798996@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
	<48D99857.9825.798996@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <48D9D479.60404@gabrielmass.com>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2008 at 1:13, Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
> 
>> "The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM
>> stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would
>> operate in digital mode."
>  
> Who's BMC?  To me, BMC means the Boston Municipal Court.
> 


Hint: Try clicking the link to the radioworld story.

That'll be $125.
--RC


From radio_geek@comcast.net  Wed Sep 24 08:46:21 2008
From: radio_geek@comcast.net (radio_geek@comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:46:21 +0000
Subject: What happened at WHDH-TV 7 this AM?
Message-ID: <092420081246.24606.48DA369C0008E13B0000601E2216527966079F0404070D@comcast.net>

At 8:25 AM on "News 7" this morning major dead air/black screen periods dotted the local break. The weather girl didn't even give her report and there were no video (news or commercials). Did they have a power failure? Or did they have only interns running the station? It was quite an embarrassment!!

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Sep 24 09:14:46 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:14:46 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
References: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
	<48D99857.9825.798996@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <6497FDA6B9204FA983F42C05BCAB0598@SatU205S5044>

BMC stands for Broadcast Maximization Committee, but the name doesn't
tell us much. The BMC is a group that appears to consist mainly of
broadcast consulting engineers. The group has made a proposal to the
FCC to expand the FM band, over time, to occupy TV channels 5 and 6.
Those channels will not be heavily used after the DTV conversion in
February and the BMC offers proposed allocations elsewhere in the
spectrum for the TV stations that would otherwise remain on channels 5
and 6.

I have several questions: Was the BMC proposal solicited by the FCC or
did the group offer the proposal on its own? TV channels 5 and 6
occupy 12 MHz--from 76 to 88 MHz--just below the current FM band. The
proposal mentions channels 5 and 6 but also refers to 100 new FM
channels, which would occupy 20 MHz, 4 MHz of which (72 to 76 MHz)
between TV channels 4 and 5 are assigned to a non-broadcast service.
Wouldn't that service also have to be relocated?

The proposal refers to three uses for the expanded FM spectrum:
expansion of the (currently 4-MHz, from 88 to 92 MHz) noncommercial
portion of the FM band, relocation of all LPFMs out of the existing FM
band, and relocation of all AM stations from the current AM band. The
relocated AM stations would have to broadcast digital signals only and
the committee notes that some AMs might want to retain their existing
analog facilities as well. I suspect that the suggestion that AMs
would have to broadcast only digital signals on the new band is an
attempt to mollify the NAB, which, if it has not done so already, is
expected to voice strong opposition to the proposal because it would
disturb the status quo, in which NAB members have a major vested
interest. Requiring the relocated AMs to broadcast purely digital
signals in the new band would delay their impact on existing FM
stations because the proliferation of new digital receivers would take
longer than the proliferation of new FM receivers that could provide
reception of analog signals in the expanded FM band.

The people in the BMC are either all engineers or mainly engineers.
They are not newcomers to broadcasting. I recognize the names of
people who have worked in the field for decades. Because of their long
experience, they are presumably familiar with FCC and
broadcast-industry politics. If that's so, they have no illusions
about the difficulty of getting approval to implement what appears to
be a logical and carefully thought-out proposal. Generally, where the
FCC is involved, the day is carried by bureaucrats and business moguls
who believe that a stroke of the pen can overrule the laws of physics.
The report I looked at makes much of the idea that the changes would
take place over time. But I am skeptcal that much, if any, headway can
be made in the lifetime of the present committee members. I think it
is more likely that the discussion will become largely irrelevant
because of the demise of the AM band or maybe even the demise of all
over-the-air terrestrial radio before any actual rule-making based on
the BMC proposal takes place.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: <madprof@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "boston Radio Group" <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan


> On 23 Sep 2008 at 1:13, Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
>
>> "The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate
>> AM
>> stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would
>> operate in digital mode."
>
> Who's BMC?  To me, BMC means the Boston Municipal Court.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
> 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109-2004                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From markwa1ion@aol.com  Wed Sep 24 11:46:32 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:46:32 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan (end of AM as we know it ?)
Message-ID: <8CAEC73D9ED4029-B00-B46@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>

<<
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:13:29 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan

Anyone have insight, comment or analysis?

http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html

"The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM
stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would
operate in digital mode."

I just learned of it in AM Stereo Forum (Email group),
but since this was published Aug 1 2008, I could be way
behind the times.

Bob
>>

FM / VHF transmitting facilities are quite different from AM 
facilities.  They don't require as much land, but they do require a 
tall mast to support antennas.  Of course several stations can gang up 
on a single tower.

I doubt that many existing AM sites could be retooled as FM sites since 
they tend to be a fair distance from city-center.  Better, in Boston's 
case, to gang up more antennas on top of the Pru or Hancock and sell 
off all the suburban AM sites.  Some are in salt-marshes or sites 
otherwise unusable for construction, however.

What gets to use vacated AM frequencies ?  Utility stations of some 
sort ?  How does this mesh with neighboring countries' planned usage of 
the band ?  Considerable interference to/from non-US stations is a fact 
of life on the band, especially along the Canadian and Mexican borders 
as well as in south Florida (thanks to Cuba).

I would envision that a network of several sub-FM-band repeaters would 
be required to provide comparable Boston-station coverage to existing 
50 kW's like WBZ and WRKO.  Many Bostonians frequently visit places 
like Cape Cod, the NH/ME seacoast and lake areas, and Foxwood's in 
eastern CT.  They reasonably expect to be able to hear WBZ at least and 
maybe WRKO and WEEI too.  Even the daily rush hour to Boston has 
commuters routinely coming in from places like Fitchburg MA, the 
Manchester NH area, and Sandwich on the Cape.

The big Boston FM's like WBCN come close to hitting most of the 
important areas though I get WRKO AM far more dependably than any 
Boston FM once I go over the Sagamore Bridge.

The other aspect of all this is the millions of radios that will be 
heading to recycling, or worse, the landfill.  Of course in TV-land 
this process is already underway.

It would be a great commercial boon to manufacturers and I guess that's 
what usually wins the day in the hallowed halls of the FCC in these 
times.

Would the digital mode stations possibly have the ability to be 
scrambled so that users would have to pay a fee to have the receivers 
decode properly ?

Since it will take a while for radios with this new band to become 
commonplace, there may have to be some kind of overlap period when AM 
and new digital band stations are broadcasting the same stations' 
programs.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Sep 24 11:57:12 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:57:12 -0400
Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan
In-Reply-To: <6497FDA6B9204FA983F42C05BCAB0598@SatU205S5044>
References: <380-220089223513290@ix.netcom.com>
	<48D99857.9825.798996@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<6497FDA6B9204FA983F42C05BCAB0598@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18650.25432.918157.223640@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:14:46 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> I have several questions: Was the BMC proposal solicited by the FCC

Yes, in a public notice this past summer, the FCC indicated that it
was interested in hearing proposals of this nature.

-GAWollman


From parforres1@AOL.com  Wed Sep 24 12:07:36 2008
From: parforres1@AOL.com (Andrea)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:07:36 +0000
Subject: WBZ Announcer's
Message-ID: <1641834111-1222272516-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-442821987-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think although not positive that the female could be Joan Quinn - Eastman.
Andrea
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Sep 24 12:17:36 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:17:36 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_Big_Ron_O'Brien_Archives?=
Message-ID: <E8EC5F805A334FDA8CEDB95757AB8235@MainXPPro>

Some airchecks of the (late) Big Ron O'Brien just went online.

Didn't he work at WRKO at one point?

The Big Ron O'Brien Archives

http://airchexx.com/the-big-ron-obrien-archives


From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org  Wed Sep 24 12:33:09 2008
From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:33:09 -0400
Subject: What happened at WHDH-TV 7 this AM?
In-Reply-To: <092420081246.24606.48DA369C0008E13B0000601E2216527966079F0404070D@comcast.net>
References: <092420081246.24606.48DA369C0008E13B0000601E2216527966079F0404070D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4DA2A656EF1ED240AE25D18BE37372C534630AD7BB@BRAIN.dmproductions.local>



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of radio_geek@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:46 AM
To: 'Boston Radio'
Subject: What happened at WHDH-TV 7 this AM?

At 8:25 AM on "News 7" this morning major dead air/black screen periods dotted the local break. The weather girl didn't even give her report and there were no video (news or commercials). Did they have a power failure? Or did they have only interns running the station? It was quite an embarrassment!!

I noted they stayed with the NBC feed from 8:25 (Shot of NBC News building with Olympics background music!) to 8:27, but they did get to the local anchor and weather.

From markwa1ion@aol.com  Wed Sep 24 15:36:05 2008
From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:36:05 -0400
Subject: online airchecks
Message-ID: <8CAEC93EB8D53B2-12D8-8F0@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>

I have a question about airchecks since I'm sitting on 7 CD's of 
aircheck MP3's of many different shows of the last 50 years - largely 
Top 40 DJ, but some talk too.  Playing time total is in the vicinity of 
70 hours.

About half were recorded originally by me and the rest acquired via 
swaps with other collectors (and, in a few cases, downloaded from the 
web).

What are the legalities involved in posting this stuff online ?  I have 
friends with substantial online hosting capacities in addition to the 
not-insignificant amount of available space I have on Comcast and AOL.

Do songs have to be scoped to avoid any grief from RIAA/ASCAP/BMI etc. 
?  Or do even short snippets of songs being present still pose a 
problem ?

What about the station's own claims to copyright and intellectual 
property of content it originally aired, be it talk programs, DJ's, 
news, sports, jingles, advertising, etc.?

I have a 1966 Boston Celtics championship game - complete - called by 
Johnny Most.  Would the Celtics have some sort of claim to that 42 
years later ?

Is there a difference if a station ceases to exist - like '60s era WMEX 
and WCOP - or can the modern operator of those facilities still get 
involved (even if using entirely different calls, format, and - in the 
case of 1510 - broadcast facilities) ?

Beyond normal airchecks, DX enthusiasts post short audio clips online 
demonstrating how they heard a distant difficult station.  These are 
typically far from studio quality.  But let's say UK on 1215 was 
recorded in Massachusetts - maybe with a little splash but with an 
overall good signal - and a whole song, or most of one, is in the clip. 
  I wouldn't think there would be a problem with that.  But I'm no 
expert.  Maybe someone reading this is.

Posting regular high-quality unscoped airchecks, I'm not sure.  
Podcasts, Internet radio stations, etc. could be a similar case.  Are 
these relatively unrestricted ?  I suppose country-of-origin comes into 
play.  A Chinese or Russian webcaster could likely play entire albums 
(or, for that matter, host full-length bootleg US movies) with little 
problem.

I'd love to share the gaggle of airchecks I have with the online world, 
but I really wonder how that would all work out.

Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Sep 24 16:28:23 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:28:23 -0400
Subject: online airchecks
In-Reply-To: <8CAEC93EB8D53B2-12D8-8F0@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAEC93EB8D53B2-12D8-8F0@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <18650.41703.161825.193998@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:36:05 -0400, markwa1ion@aol.com said:

> What are the legalities involved in posting this stuff online ?

You should obviously consult with an attorney.  He or she will explain
to you the balancing test used to determine whether the use of a
copyrighted recording is "fair use" or not, and what legal precedents
may say.  For recordings in digital formats, there are additional
requirements thanks to Congress's supine posture towards the copyright
industry; if you make recordings of all or substantial parts of songs
available in a digital format, you may be liable for per-access
royalties to the record companies in addition to the performance
rights organizations.

In general, you are much better off severely scoping any published
musical performances down to the bare minimum necessary.  (For legal
IDs, I keep no more than ten seconds of intro or outro, but only a
lawyer can advise you.)  You can read the rules, such as they are, in
the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 107, but you should still consult a
lawyer.

> What about the station's own claims to copyright and intellectual 
> property of content it originally aired, be it talk programs, DJ's, 
> news, sports, jingles, advertising, etc.?

I would expect the decision to weight heavily on paragraphs (3) ("the
amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole") and (4) ("the effect of the use upon the
potential market for or value of the copyrighted work").  Ask a lawyer
to advise you on how these have been determined in past case law.

> I have a 1966 Boston Celtics championship game - complete - called by 
> Johnny Most.  Would the Celtics have some sort of claim to that 42 
> years later ?

The copyright owner (which for a game that old may or may not be the
Celtics) would have an interest, as would the Celtics on trademark
grounds.  However, it is possible -- depending on various
technicalities of how the broadcast was made and what the owners did
later on -- that your recording is actually in the public domain.
Determining its status would involve a great deal of legal research,
cost a lot of money, and probably would not give a conclusive answer.

> Is there a difference if a station ceases to exist - like '60s era WMEX 
> and WCOP - or can the modern operator of those facilities still get 
> involved (even if using entirely different calls, format, and - in the 
> case of 1510 - broadcast facilities) ?

The owner of the station does not have any particular rights.  What
matters is the owner of the copyright.  To find out who that is would
likely be extremely difficult, is it depends on the details of every
individual sale contract.  (My guess is that the current owner of 1510
does not own any of the intellectual property of the old WMEX, but who
does own it may be impossible to determine.)

> Podcasts, Internet radio stations, etc. could be a similar case.  Are 
> these relatively unrestricted ?  I suppose country-of-origin comes into 
> play.  A Chinese or Russian webcaster could likely play entire albums 
> (or, for that matter, host full-length bootleg US movies) with little 
> problem.

All of these uses require royalty payments to the copyright owners in
every jurisdiction where listeners are located.  If you listen to a
Chinese stream, and they play some in-copyright music, they are
required to pay ASCAP/BMI/SESAC for the songwriter's/composer's
royalty and SoundExchange for the record company's royalty, because
the act of reproduction is deemed to have taken place in the
listener's computer.  Consult an attorney for the full details.

-GAWollman


From dbroda@nycap.rr.com  Wed Sep 24 16:30:20 2008
From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:30:20 -0400
Subject: (K)KHJ
Message-ID: <48DAA35C.8000902@nycap.rr.com>

While I think you're describing the events by which KKHJ returned to KHJ 
in 2000 correctly, having heard the same thing at the time from multiple 
sources, three other stations have also reclaimed their three letter 
calls, per http://earlyradiohistory.us/3roll.htm - as follows:

WGH Newport News VA changed to WCMS in 12/04, then returned to WGH in 
7/05. (And in fact that's the SECOND time they changed the calls back to 
WGH... having been WNSY from 9/83 to 12/84.)

Also, WIL St. Louis changed to WRTH in 1990, but returned to WIL in 2005 
(thereafter becoming KZQZ earlier this year).

And KSD St. Louis became KUSA in 1984, returning to KSD in 1993 
(thereafter becoming KTRS in 1997).

The only thing I can see as a possible distinguishing factor is that in 
each of these cases, the three letter calls were still on a co-owned FM 
at the time they were returned to the AM. Does that make it OK under FCC 
rules?

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:17:13 -0400, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> said:
>
>   
>> IIRC, that was a special instance because the KHJ calls were  
>> considered "heritage" in that market.
>>     
>
> No, that was a special, erm, instance because (K)KHJ broadcasts in
> Spanish and the owners told the FCC that they didn't want to be
> talking about caca (which means exactly what you think) when the
> station refers to itself on-air.  (Never mind the fact that they've
> always done the legal ID in English and never need to mention the
> callsign at any other time.)
>
> -GAWollman
>
>
>   

From kvahey@comcast.net  Wed Sep 24 12:45:50 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:45:50 -0500
Subject: Oh the irony..Feder leaving Sun-Times
Message-ID: <4fc429770809240945g6a896c32h291e690d535ee294@mail.gmail.com>

Robert Feder who has been covering media for the Chicago Sun-Times for
almost 30 years announced yesterday that he has accepted the buyout
offered by the paper.

It was one of the few remaining print colums that covered electronic
media on a daily basis.

Might explain why he was so snarky last week.

From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Sep 24 17:05:34 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:05:34 -0400
Subject: Oh the irony..Feder leaving Sun-Times
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809240945g6a896c32h291e690d535ee294@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770809240945g6a896c32h291e690d535ee294@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18650.43934.703989.447541@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:45:50 -0500, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net> said:

> Robert Feder who has been covering media for the Chicago Sun-Times for
> almost 30 years announced yesterday that he has accepted the buyout
> offered by the paper.

I can attest that not only was he a good columnist, but he is a nice
guy, too.  Scott and I had lunch with him in Chicago several years
back, before Conrad Black really screwed things up.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Wed Sep 24 17:36:11 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:36:11 -0400
Subject: (K)KHJ
In-Reply-To: <48DAA35C.8000902@nycap.rr.com>
References: <48DAA35C.8000902@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48DAB2CB.6010704@fybush.com>

Doug Broda wrote:
> While I think you're describing the events by which KKHJ returned to KHJ 
> in 2000 correctly, having heard the same thing at the time from multiple 
> sources, three other stations have also reclaimed their three letter 
> calls, per http://earlyradiohistory.us/3roll.htm - as follows:
> 
> WGH Newport News VA changed to WCMS in 12/04, then returned to WGH in 
> 7/05. (And in fact that's the SECOND time they changed the calls back to 
> WGH... having been WNSY from 9/83 to 12/84.)
> 
> Also, WIL St. Louis changed to WRTH in 1990, but returned to WIL in 2005 
> (thereafter becoming KZQZ earlier this year).
> 
> And KSD St. Louis became KUSA in 1984, returning to KSD in 1993 
> (thereafter becoming KTRS in 1997).
> 
> The only thing I can see as a possible distinguishing factor is that in 
> each of these cases, the three letter calls were still on a co-owned FM 
> at the time they were returned to the AM. Does that make it OK under FCC 
> rules?

Kinda sorta.

In the case of WGH's second return, as well as the returns of WIL and 
KSD, the continuation of the three-letter "base call" on FM meant there 
was no issue with returning the call on AM. As long as the base call 
remains active SOMEWHERE (FM, TV, and conceivably on LPTV or LPFM, too, 
though this hasn't been tried), it can be reused by the same owner in 
the same market on other services with no special FCC action required.

So KUT in Austin, for instance, could become KUT-FM and add a KUT(AM) 
just by filing the forms - in exactly the same way CBS could flip WODS 
or WBCN to WBZ-FM any time it pleases.

The first return of WGH falls into a different category. When WGH(AM) 
became WNSY in 1983, there was no WGH-FM or WGH-TV keeping the base call 
alive, and it took special FCC permission to return to WGH(AM) a year later.

There have been a few other examples in addition to KHJ and WGH: KRE in 
Berkeley changed calls in 1963 and was allowed to go back to KRE in 1972 
(there was a KRE-FM, but it changed calls at the same time). KYA in San 
Francisco briefly changed calls in 1960, but changed back quickly. WHN 
disappeared from New York in 1948, then returned in 1962. And there were 
two extraordinary cases in 1957-58, when the FCC allowed the WJZ calls 
to be put on TV in Baltimore, four years after WJZ(AM) in New York 
became WABC(AM), and notwithstanding that the ownership wasn't even the 
same (Westinghouse appealed to history, noting that it had put WJZ on 
the air in Newark way back in 1921 before selling the station to NBC, 
which later spun it off into ABC); and in Austin, the University of 
Texas got KUT(FM) for its new FM signal in 1958, 26 years after selling 
the original KUT(AM).

Which is to say, it's all politics - get the right DC lawyer and appeal 
to the right people at the Media Bureau or the full Commission, and you 
can get just about any call change passed.

s

From dbroda@nycap.rr.com  Wed Sep 24 18:35:18 2008
From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Doug Broda)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:35:18 -0400
Subject: (K)KHJ
In-Reply-To: <48DAB2CB.6010704@fybush.com>
References: <48DAA35C.8000902@nycap.rr.com> <48DAB2CB.6010704@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <48DAC0A6.3080904@nycap.rr.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:
> The first return of WGH falls into a different category. When WGH(AM) 
> became WNSY in 1983, there was no WGH-FM or WGH-TV keeping the base 
> call alive, and it took special FCC permission to return to WGH(AM) a 
> year later.
My bad in not spotting that. :)

BTW, I found a semi-parallel to the (K)KHJ situation. KMO Tacoma became 
KKMO -- and is now a Spanish-language station. Guess the ka-ka thing 
isn't as troublesome to them as in LA. :)
>
> There have been a few other examples in addition to KHJ and 
> WGH:...Which is to say, it's all politics - get the right DC lawyer 
> and appeal to the right people at the Media Bureau or the full 
> Commission, and you can get just about any call change passed.
Looks that way. Frankly, I'd be in favor of allowing any station to 
reclaim its heritage calls upon request, in the rather rare case that 
someone there cares about history.

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Sep 25 14:02:07 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:02:07 -0400
Subject: Could someone in the Boston area do me a favor?
Message-ID: <48DBD21F.1030608@fybush.com>

I understand the Globe is launching a new weekly sports tabloid today 
called "OT" (it stands for "Our Teams/Our Towns")...if someone within 
the circulation area is out and about today and could pick up a copy of 
the premiere issue, I'd be more than happy to reimburse for the cost of 
the paper and postage.

Many thanks...(and Go Sox, though that goes without saying, I hope!)

s

From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Sep 25 13:43:18 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:43:18 -0500
Subject: Oh the irony..Feder leaving Sun-Times
Message-ID: <20080925174319.144CE1CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Vahey" 
>To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" , "Scott Fybush" 
>Subject: Oh the irony..Feder leaving Sun-Times
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:45:50 -0500

>Robert Feder who has been covering media for the Chicago Sun-Times for
>almost 30 years announced yesterday that he has accepted the buyout
>offered by the paper.

>It was one of the few remaining print colums that covered electronic
>media on a daily basis.
>Might explain why he was so snarky last week.

I don't understand the use of the word 'irony' in the subject line,
unless you mean that the first two letters of the last name are 'Fe'.


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From revdoug1@verizon.net  Thu Sep 25 15:20:03 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:20:03 -0400
Subject: "You Must Remember This"
Message-ID: <E1CC5382782A4D2CBC2DA7DBFCB5D91B@DougDrown>

Last evening, Maine Public Television featured PBS' "American Masters" retrospective on the history of Warner Bros.  The show kept cutting out --- so frequently that after a while it became really irritating.  I would be willing to bet that we viewers had lost at least ten minutes of the installment by the time the two hours were over.  The show would play, then suddenly nothing --- no sound, no picture, just a black screen.  After a minute or two (or three, or more) it would start up again.  It looked like this might have been a satellite downlink problem.  I'm wondering whether it also happened on WGBH and other PBS stations.

-Doug

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Thu Sep 25 17:29:55 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "You Must Remember This"
Message-ID: <855418.52384.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I DVRed this off of WGBX on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning and didn't see any problems. I've also watched parts in passing on WGBH and WENH and didn't see any dead air or blank screen.



----- Original Message ----
From: Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: Boston Radio Interest Board <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20:03 PM
Subject: "You Must Remember This"

Last evening, Maine Public Television featured PBS' "American Masters" retrospective on the history of Warner Bros.? The show kept cutting out --- so frequently that after a while it became really irritating.? I would be willing to bet that we viewers had lost at least ten minutes of the installment by the time the two hours were over.? The show would play, then suddenly nothing --- no sound, no picture, just a black screen.? After a minute or two (or three, or more) it would start up again.? It looked like this might have been a satellite downlink problem.? I'm wondering whether it also happened on WGBH and other PBS stations.

-Doug



      

From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Thu Sep 25 22:26:49 2008
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:26:49 -0400
Subject: white dome SW of Fitchburg
Message-ID: <380-22008952622649453@ix.netcom.com>

Question of "what is it?" --- from my map viewings,
perhaps is something not for the public to know,
but I'm curious.

SW of Fitchburg, area of Oak Hill Country Club, there are 2 towers,
independent of each other.
This is also SES of Waites Corner.

My question is re the more north tower, 3 sided, self-standing, orange &
white  
(Google Earth reads 42:33:43, 71:50:04):
Next to the tower is a white circular low dome, 
the dome being my question.

>From VirtualEarth, the tower shadows on the dome, lead me to suspect
dome center rise is no more then 15 ft off ground.

My guesses are a underground water tank, or 
some sort of radome (there???) ?
Maybe a Coke can switch (excuse me, "Tactile") push button
for the Jolly Green Giant?

Both Google Earth and Virtual Earth (Live Search) show this object.

Please visit my Home page, radio page for images
(I'm including a piece of USGS to help locate)
http://home.netcom.com/~madprof/radmyst.html

Thanks to all who view, or have any information or comments.
Bob Sutherland







From scott@fybush.com  Thu Sep 25 22:36:07 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0400
Subject: white dome SW of Fitchburg
In-Reply-To: <380-22008952622649453@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-22008952622649453@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <48DC4A97.9090708@fybush.com>

Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
> Question of "what is it?" --- from my map viewings,
> perhaps is something not for the public to know,
> but I'm curious.
> 
> SW of Fitchburg, area of Oak Hill Country Club, there are 2 towers,
> independent of each other.
> This is also SES of Waites Corner.
> 
> My question is re the more north tower, 3 sided, self-standing, orange &
> white  
> (Google Earth reads 42:33:43, 71:50:04):
> Next to the tower is a white circular low dome, 
> the dome being my question.

I think the answer's right on that topo map, where it says "reservoir" - 
looks like a cap for an underground water tank!

s

From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Thu Sep 25 23:00:20 2008
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:00:20 -0400
Subject: white dome SW of Fitchburg
Message-ID: <380-2200895263020343@ix.netcom.com>

ah, yes, I think you nailed it!   

I hadn't correlated the USGS "resevoir" label
checking Virtual Earth more, there is no visable reservoir,
so it makes sense to be an underground!
also USGS doesn't show a tower next to "reservoir".

thank you... your brain is definitely working better then mine!
  
Bob


> [Original Message]
> From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
> To: <madprof@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: BRI <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Date: 9/25/2008 10:36:06 PM
> Subject: Re: white dome SW of Fitchburg
> I think the answer's right on that topo map, where it says "reservoir" - 
> looks like a cap for an underground water tank!
>
> s



From scott@fybush.com  Fri Sep 26 00:15:48 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:15:48 -0400
Subject: when analog TV ends
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809252053v541cccafn35d469a6bae4aa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
	<4fc429770809252053v541cccafn35d469a6bae4aa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48DC61F4.7040005@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> But still the FCC has required the visual ID to say WCVB  WCVB-DT  and
> with channel 4 it says WBZ-TV  WBZ-DT
> 
> I know in Cambridge Comcast is still using the analog transmissions as
> they haven't totally upgraded the headend yet.

It's not clear to me, from the current version of 47CFR73.1201, that the 
FCC *is* actually requiring those IDs:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2008/73/1201/

But the FCC's rules are unclear on the point, to say it mildly.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Sep 25 23:07:14 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:07:14 -0500
Subject: when analog TV ends
Message-ID: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>

My son asked me a question and I really don't know for sure what the answer is.

When analog TV ends next February does the DT part of the callsign
revert to TV or does that designation end with the changover?

In other words does WCVB-DT then revert back to WCVB-TV?

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Sep 25 23:46:59 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:46:59 -0400
Subject: when analog TV ends
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> My son asked me a question and I really don't know for sure what the answer is.
> 
> When analog TV ends next February does the DT part of the callsign
> revert to TV or does that designation end with the changover?
> 
> In other words does WCVB-DT then revert back to WCVB-TV?
> 

According to the FCC database, WCVB-DT *is* WCVB-TV.

The FCC has never considered DTV licenses as separate licenses from 
their analog parents - so the license held under facility ID 65684, 
holding the callsign WCVB-TV, has both analog authorization on channel 5 
and digital authorization on channel 20.

Confusing? Ayuh.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Thu Sep 25 23:53:33 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:53:33 -0500
Subject: when analog TV ends
In-Reply-To: <48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770809252053v541cccafn35d469a6bae4aa2@mail.gmail.com>

But still the FCC has required the visual ID to say WCVB  WCVB-DT  and
with channel 4 it says WBZ-TV  WBZ-DT

I know in Cambridge Comcast is still using the analog transmissions as
they haven't totally upgraded the headend yet.



On 9/25/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> My son asked me a question and I really don't know for sure what the
>> answer is.
>>
>> When analog TV ends next February does the DT part of the callsign
>> revert to TV or does that designation end with the changover?
>>
>> In other words does WCVB-DT then revert back to WCVB-TV?
>>
>
> According to the FCC database, WCVB-DT *is* WCVB-TV.
>
> The FCC has never considered DTV licenses as separate licenses from
> their analog parents - so the license held under facility ID 65684,
> holding the callsign WCVB-TV, has both analog authorization on channel 5
> and digital authorization on channel 20.
>
> Confusing? Ayuh.
>
> s
>

From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Sep 26 11:39:16 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:39:16 -0400
Subject: when analog TV ends
In-Reply-To: <48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <18653.548.936783.986626@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:46:59 -0400, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> The FCC has never considered DTV licenses as separate licenses from 
> their analog parents - so the license held under facility ID 65684, 
> holding the callsign WCVB-TV, has both analog authorization on channel 5 
> and digital authorization on channel 20.

I asked an FCC representative (attorney) at NAB about this, and I was
told that the "-DT" was just an administrative convenience on the part
of the Media Bureau, and that all of this will be clarified when the
Commission rewrites the TV rules next year.  (They are keeping rules
changes to a minimum while the staff are occupied with the
transition.)

What makes this more confusing is that:

- Low-power stations are supposed to have separate callsigns ("-LD",
"-CD", and just plain "-D"), but for the most part have not been assigned
such callsigns.  On the other hand, "-DT" is not named anywhere in
Title 47.

- Section 2.302, which theoretically specifies the assignment of
callsign formats to different services, has not been updated in a
decade, and doesn't even reflect the adoption of "-LP" for LPFMs.

- There are some digital-only TV stations where the callsign desk has
changed the call to "-DT", for reasons which have never been
adequately explained.

-GAWollman

From mward@iname.com  Fri Sep 26 00:51:57 2008
From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:51:57 -0400
Subject: when analog TV ends
In-Reply-To: <48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <48DC6A6D.6060707@iname.com>

Scott Fybush wrote:

> According to the FCC database, WCVB-DT *is* WCVB-TV.
> 
> The FCC has never considered DTV licenses as separate licenses from 
> their analog parents - so the license held under facility ID 65684, 
> holding the callsign WCVB-TV, has both analog authorization on channel 5 
> and digital authorization on channel 20.

Aren't the handful of companion low-power digital (LD) facilities 
separate, at least as far as facility IDs go?

Not the flash-cuts, of course, but the separate LDs...

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Fri Sep 26 11:56:46 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:56:46 -0400
Subject: when analog TV ends
References: <4fc429770809252007h36ccb9b6xf9a5f8e82296e36f@mail.gmail.com><48DC5B33.3050406@fybush.com>
	<18653.548.936783.986626@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <63DBF106E04E443299C302858F3FA946@SatU205S5044>

Is it possible (maybe I mean permissible) for an LPFM and and LPTV to
have the same base calls? If so, how is that situation handled--or how
would it be handled?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: when analog TV ends


>
> I asked an FCC representative (attorney) at NAB about this, and I
> was
> told that the "-DT" was just an administrative convenience on the
> part
> of the Media Bureau, and that all of this will be clarified when the
> Commission rewrites the TV rules next year.  (They are keeping rules
> changes to a minimum while the staff are occupied with the
> transition.)
>
> -GAWollman


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Sep 29 15:07:01 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:07:01 -0500
Subject: WTKK hires Curtis Sliwa for late nights
Message-ID: <20080929190705.8630C49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Word from radio-info.com is that WTKK is giving Curtis Sliwa of Guardian Angels and WABC fame his own show.
He'll be on weeknights 10 pm till 1 am, displacing tape delayed Laura Ingraham. They will still run Laura
REALLY tape delayed on Sunday nights, though (I believe WCRN and WNSH run Ingraham live). Starts Oct 1.

Can't remember, is Curtis still on WABC? If so he's moonlighting for the Greater Media talker and
will probably do the show from New York State. Not the first time that's happened--right, Mr Severin? :)

From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Sep 29 16:16:08 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:16:08 -0500
Subject: New Non-comms In NH (Not Including Newburyport)
Message-ID: <20080929201608.D03B347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Scott's NERW today (09/29) included an item about WCNH-LP, now operating on
94.7 west of downtown Concord, NH.  It's received the ok from the FCC to move to 
91.5, transmitting from the town of Bow, NH, due south of Concord.  Scott 
gives the facilities as 100 watts at 439 feet.  WCNH's signal toward the city
should be better than that since its directional antenna offers peak coverage 
at about zero degrees, or due north...and in that direction according to 
FCC records, the effective altitude is 178 meters or 584 feet. While I was
looking at the new FM's in NH between 88.1 and 91.9, I noticed an application
for a station in Milford on 88.7 by THE UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS!  Non-comms
sometimes place repeaters and translators in adjoining states that nonetheless
are designed to provide coverage into their home states.  Thus Connecticut 
public radio stations have affiliates on Long Island, NY.  But the outlet in
Milford, NH seems to provide coverage only in the Granite State.  Unusual.

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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Mon Sep 29 18:20:27 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:20:27 -0400
Subject: New Year wishes
Message-ID: <20080929222038.091B5C9D1@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>

To all Jewish list-members, let me extend my sincere best wishes for 
a new year of peace, health and happiness.


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 18:30:34 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Non-comms In NH (Not Including Newburyport)
In-Reply-To: <20080929201608.D03B347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <68021.87481.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

On Mon, 9/29/08, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
> Scott's NERW today (09/29) included an item about
> WCNH-LP, now operating on
> 94.7 west of downtown Concord, NH.  It's received the
> ok from the FCC to move to 
> 91.5, transmitting from the town of Bow, NH, due south of
> Concord.  Scott 
> gives the facilities as 100 watts at 439 feet.  WCNH's
> signal toward the city
> should be better than that since its directional antenna
> offers peak coverage 
> at about zero degrees, or due north...and in that direction
> according to 
> FCC records, the effective altitude is 178 meters or 584
> feet. While I was
> looking at the new FM's in NH between 88.1 and 91.9, I
> noticed an application
> for a station in Milford on 88.7 by THE UNIVERSITY OF
> MASSACHUSETTS!  Non-comms
> sometimes place repeaters and translators in adjoining
> states that nonetheless
> are designed to provide coverage into their home states. 
> Thus Connecticut 
> public radio stations have affiliates on Long Island, NY. 
> But the outlet in
> Milford, NH seems to provide coverage only in the Granite
> State.  Unusual.

-- WSUF is not merely an affiliate of WSHU, it provides an entirely separate service from WSHU-FM. And its signal is the lynchpin of the network that includes WSHU (AM). 

-- The Milford, N.H., allocation is for WUMB. Pat Monteith mentioned in an article that was published last year in The (Nashua) Telegraph that WUMB has a fair amount of listeners up in that area. 


      

From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Sep 29 18:54:23 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:23 -0400
Subject: New Non-comms In NH (Not Including Newburyport)
In-Reply-To: <20080929201608.D03B347808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <0K7Z00I8ABMSP0T0@asmtp019.mac.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Laurence Glavin
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:16 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: New Non-comms In NH (Not Including Newburyport)

>>Scott's NERW today (09/29) included an item about WCNH-LP, now operating
on
94.7 west of downtown Concord, NH.  It's received the ok from the FCC to
move to 91.5, transmitting from the town of Bow, NH, due south of Concord.
Scott gives the facilities as 100 watts at 439 feet.  WCNH's signal toward
the city should be better than that since its directional antenna offers
peak coverage at about zero degrees, or due north...and in that direction
according to FCC records, the effective altitude is 178 meters or 584 feet.
While I was looking at the new FM's in NH between 88.1 and 91.9, I noticed
an application for a station in Milford on 88.7 by THE UNIVERSITY OF
MASSACHUSETTS!  Non-comms sometimes place repeaters and translators in
adjoining states that nonetheless are designed to provide coverage into
their home states.  Thus Connecticut public radio stations have affiliates
on Long Island, NY.  But the outlet in Milford, NH seems to provide coverage
only in the Granite State.  Unusual.>>


Milford, NH, is right on the state line, so undoubtedly there will be some
coverage into MA.  I think WUMB here is looking to get into areas that will
have a high interst in it's folk music programming, including the Monadnock
region.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From paulranderson@charter.net  Mon Sep 29 20:29:54 2008
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:29:54 -0400
Subject: New Non-comms In NH (Not Including Newburyport)
In-Reply-To: <0K7Z00I8ABMSP0T0@asmtp019.mac.com>
References: <0K7Z00I8ABMSP0T0@asmtp019.mac.com>
Message-ID: <55BD2B0F-D5DA-4460-82B3-CF6363B92102@charter.net>

On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Larry Weil wrote:

> Milford, NH, is right on the state line, so undoubtedly there will  
> be some
> coverage into MA.

Brookline is inbetween Milford and the state line, but yes, I would  
expect their signal would get into Massachusetts anyway.

Paul

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Sep 30 02:06:30 2008
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:06:30 -0400
Subject: New Year wishes
References: <20080929222038.091B5C9D1@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <83E7815B96724782931E2B93FEAE04F5@MainXPPro>

Donna,

Shalom aleichem!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:20 PM
Subject: New Year wishes


> To all Jewish list-members, let me extend my sincere best wishes for 
> a new year of peace, health and happiness.
>

From atolz@comcast.net  Tue Sep 30 10:48:27 2008
From: atolz@comcast.net (Alan Tolz)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:48:27 -0400
Subject: New Year wishes
References: <20080929222038.091B5C9D1@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com>
	<83E7815B96724782931E2B93FEAE04F5@MainXPPro>
Message-ID: <6E098691A36340F48490C83CFD09C290@mediacenter>

L'Shanna Tova.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "BRI+" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Donna Halper" 
<dlh@donnahalper.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: New Year wishes


> Donna,
>
> Shalom aleichem!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:20 PM
> Subject: New Year wishes
>
>
>> To all Jewish list-members, let me extend my sincere best wishes for a 
>> new year of peace, health and happiness.
>>
>