Dave Doherty
Sun Oct 12 23:07:00 EDT 2008

Eureka has been far from a resounding success. Recent "in the field" reports 
indicate that several Eureka channels in the UK have gone dark.

Worldwide, sales of sole-purpose radio recievers of all types has absolutely 
tanked over the last five years. That includes analog AM, FM, AM/FM, and in 
Europe and Canada, digital receivers.

In the US, satellite receivers have grown, but the re-up rate has been 
dismal. IBOC, or "HD Radio" set sales reached the one million milestone in 
the US this year, but there are something like 750 million analog receivers 
out there that must be replaced before IBOC digital-only transmission can 
take place here.

OTOH, sales of personal music devices, including IPods, cellphones with MP3 
capabilities, etc. have gone through the roof.

The message is that radio reception, both analog and digital, must be 
included in ALL personal entertainment devices.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <>
Cc: <>; "Dan.Strassberg" 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Eureka-147

> How has this format done with consumers in Canada? Did the government
> mandate all radios now sold must receive the signal. Can a resident of
> Buffalo legally buy a receiver that can receive digital signals from
> Canada.
> On the other hand can Canadians legally buy a receiver that picks up
> US HD programming? I am not certain the Buffalo HD signals on FM can
> even make it into Toronto (AM is another story)
> On the TV side I know that in Montreal the only way to get HDTV is via
> cable or satellite as it wasn't being offered over the air as of yet.
> Are their any plans to do so?
> On 10/5/08, Garrett Wollman <> wrote:
>> <<On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:50:07 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg"
>> <> said:
>>> Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my
>>> guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I
>>> believe).
>> In Canada.  Other countries use different bands.  The countries where
>> it's been successful generally use Band III (VHF-high), as those
>> countries have moved television to UHF.
>>> (I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or
>>> orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various
>>> stations.
>> It's OFDM.  The Wikipedia article explains the precise technique (jump
>> to the "Technology" section -- most of the rest of the article was
>> written by British anti-Eureka anoraks).
>> -GAWollman

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