From radio88@radio88.net Thu Oct 2 13:33:45 2008 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:33:45 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. Here's the announcement: "-For 41 years you?ve been able to listen to Newsradio on you?re AM radio dial at 880 am. - Five years ago you were able to listen to Newsradio using your computer as a radio by logging onto wcbs880 dot com - Just over a year ago you were able to purchase an HD radio and listen to 880 am with significantly better audio quality - This summer WCBS 880 and other CBS Stations were made available on your PDA's and I Phones thru the AOL Radio app and - TODAY!.... if you have an HD Radio? WCBS has moved onto the FM dial? The new HD Radio technology allows the FM dial to expand by potentially tripling the number of radio stations you can listen to. Almost every FM station that you have listened to the past decade now has the ability to create two other radio channels next to their original dial position. In the wee hours of this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 began airing on the HD FM band and can now be heard on one of our sister FM station CBS-FM?s new channels. If you have an HD radio, tune to 101.1 and then go two more channels over to 101.1 channel 3?and you will hear in brilliant audio quality your newsradio station, WCBS 880. We urge you to begin converting your radios to HD Radios because your choices for free radio programming will multiply exponentially over what you can receive on your traditional radio?and all those extra channels are free to listen to. You want choice and you want it for free?get an HD Radio and listen to all the choices available to you." ========================== Todd Glickman Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net http://www.radioweather.net Todd Glickman '77 Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, W98-400 600 Memorial Drive, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 From aerie.ma@comcast.net Thu Oct 2 13:48:39 2008 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:48:39 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> Message-ID: <20CAF392626C4E45BADD5E59A6EF1078@CurleyJoe> I've been wondering if using an otherwise unused HD3 signal might solve the problem WRKO and WEEI have with the western suburbs. Entercom could put one of them on WAAF-HD3 for example. I think only WGBH currently uses their HD3 channel. From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 14:45:37 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It sounds like a good idea, but how many people are going to rush out and buy the HD radio set just to get WEEI and WRKO? Unfortunatly HD radio sounds like a lame duck, much like AM stereo and UHF converter boxes (before all channel TVs became mandated). Very few people will buy an extra piece of equipment for something that may just dissapear tomorrow or of limted value (perceived or real). I have an AM stereo receiver and 2 external digital TV boxes (an Accurain HD box and a newer Magnavox SD box). I don't know anyone else outside of this list or the industry who have either. Maureen ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Hall To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:48:39 PM Subject: RE: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! I've been wondering if using an otherwise unused HD3 signal might solve the problem WRKO and WEEI have with the western suburbs. Entercom could put one of them on WAAF-HD3 for example. I think only WGBH currently uses their HD3 channel. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Oct 2 14:59:55 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:59:55 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> Message-ID: <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Todd Glickman > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:34 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > > As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is > available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. I wish they would do the same thing with WBZ here. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:19:57 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:19:57 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E51EDD.6040001@gmail.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > It sounds like a good idea, but how many people are going to rush out and buy the HD radio set just to get WEEI and WRKO? Unfortunatly HD radio sounds like a lame duck, much like AM stereo and UHF converter boxes I think we'll see them phased in at the retail level and absorbed into the marketplace. I agree that there's no sense of urgency to run out and buy one. I do think that once even base level cars come standard with integrated radios with satellite where HD locals and nationals are all seamlessly accessed that there will be a place for terrestrials to wake up and do local radio again. That will be the only thing a national radio station can't. So, I remain hopeful. Bill O'Neill From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Oct 2 15:23:31 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:23:31 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E51FB3.1040208@gabrielmass.com> On 10/02/2008 02:45 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Unfortunatly HD radio sounds like a lame duck, much like AM stereo and UHF converter boxes (before all channel TVs became mandated). Are HD radios becoming routine in cars? --rc From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 15:27:10 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:27:10 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> >> As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is >> available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. > > I wish they would do the same thing with WBZ here. Why? Are there any places you can't get WBZ? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 15:34:14 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:34:14 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! References: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48E51FB3.1040208@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: >> Unfortunatly HD radio sounds like a lame duck, much like AM stereo and >> UHF converter boxes (before all channel TVs became mandated). > > Are HD radios becoming routine in cars? Most automakers make this as an option Volvo installs them in all their new cars. Most people don't pick/choose all their options...they buy their cars off the lot...for the price they want to pay. I also dont think most people go into dealers asking for cars with factory installed XM/Sirius either....some cars just come with it. I think HD will be the same. There are the naysayers who are ready to declare HD a failure because it hasn't become as popular as analog in 24 months. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Oct 2 15:48:52 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:48:52 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Don A [mailto:donald_astelle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:27 PM > To: Larry Weil; 'Todd Glickman'; > boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > > > >> As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is > >> available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. > > > > I wish they would do the same thing with WBZ here. > > > Why? Are there any places you can't get WBZ? Well, I can get it at home in Salem, NH, but with much interference, especially if my kitchen light is on. HD-3 channels, though usually not the same bandwith as HD-1 and HD-2, still sound much better than AM. I do have an HD tuner, but the WBZ AM signal usually is too weak or has too much noise to allow HD reception. So what is it you are objecting to if one of the CBS stations did put BZ on an HD-3? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Oct 2 15:53:21 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:53:21 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <48E51FB3.1040208@gabrielmass.com> References: <893319.12107.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48E51FB3.1040208@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <004a01c924c8$869969f0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Richard Chonak > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:24 PM > To: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > > On 10/02/2008 02:45 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > > Unfortunatly HD radio sounds like a lame duck, much like AM > stereo and UHF converter boxes (before all channel TVs became > mandated). > > Are HD radios becoming routine in cars? Routine, no, but several car companies do offer them as an option. If you go to a store that sells aftermarket car radios, you will see several radios (JVC, Dual) that have HD built-in, and other radios (Kenwood, Alpine, Sony, and possibly others) that will receive HD with a dedicated outboard module. These stores would not be carrying these if they were not selling. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 14:58:03 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fire Alarms going off at WCAP 980 Lowell Message-ID: <213368.35049.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The live Merrimack Magazine afternoon show was somewhat interupted at 2:55pm today due to fire alarms going off in the building a couple of times. The two announcers joked about it, "a hot show" but did not evacuate. John B From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:05:04 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:05:04 -0500 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810021305u4203a4c6r84b85797ba836d1c@mail.gmail.com> And if you think of of the Boston FM's put WBZ-AM on their HD2 or HD3 that you'd actually hear it in Salem, NH? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don A [mailto:donald_astelle@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:27 PM > > To: Larry Weil; 'Todd Glickman'; > > boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > > > > > > >> As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is > > >> available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. > > > > > > I wish they would do the same thing with WBZ here. > > > > > > Why? Are there any places you can't get WBZ? > > Well, I can get it at home in Salem, NH, but with much interference, > especially if my kitchen light is on. HD-3 channels, though usually not > the > same bandwith as HD-1 and HD-2, still sound much better than AM. I do have > an HD tuner, but the WBZ AM signal usually is too weak or has too much > noise > to allow HD reception. > > So what is it you are objecting to if one of the CBS stations did put BZ on > an HD-3? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Oct 2 16:10:48 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:10:48 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net><004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra><05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> Message-ID: <160C3F9E4C984206AC4D5CBB419DE658@SatU205S5044> But reception of the HD-n (where n>1) subchannels is particularly problematic in cars. If you lose sync with the digital stream and you are tuned to the main HD channel (HD-1), the receiver automatically falls back to analog, and if everything has been set up correctly, the fallback is not very noticeable, if not entirely aesthetically pleasing (frequency response changes; stereo switches to mono). With the n>1 subchannels, no analog stream carries the same content, so my understanding is that the fallback is to silence. I've seen reports (from HD radio proponents campaigning for higher subchannel power on the FM band) that claim that, with the current power levels, reliability of the digital streams is simply unacceptable and coverage areas are much smaller than for the main analog stream. Hence, listening to HD-n (n>1) streams at home or at work MAY be OK (though not necessarily), but listening in a moving vehicle is unlikely to be acceptable unless you are very near the transmitter. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Don A [mailto:donald_astelle@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:27 PM >> To: Larry Weil; 'Todd Glickman'; >> boston-radio-interest@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! >> >> >> >> As of 3:00am this morning, WCBS Newsradio 880 (AM) in NYC is >> >> available on WCBS-FM's HD-3 channel. >> > >> > I wish they would do the same thing with WBZ here. >> >> >> Why? Are there any places you can't get WBZ? > > Well, I can get it at home in Salem, NH, but with much interference, > especially if my kitchen light is on. HD-3 channels, though usually > not the > same bandwith as HD-1 and HD-2, still sound much better than AM. I > do have > an HD tuner, but the WBZ AM signal usually is too weak or has too > much noise > to allow HD reception. > > So what is it you are objecting to if one of the CBS stations did > put BZ on > an HD-3? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Oct 2 16:15:15 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:15:15 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810021305u4203a4c6r84b85797ba836d1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <8bce0fe80810021305u4203a4c6r84b85797ba836d1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004e01c924cb$958656a0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:05 PM To: Larry Weil Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! >>And if you think of of the Boston FM's put WBZ-AM on their HD2 or HD3 that you'd actually hear it in Salem, >>NH? Yes, I hear many Boston FM stations in HD. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Oct 2 16:14:08 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:14:08 -0400 Subject: Fire Alarms going off at WCAP 980 Lowell References: <213368.35049.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81B9B3594EEA4EFCBF9197BDC27DD9FA@SatU205S5044> At least that you know of. You mean evacuate the building, of course;<) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Fire Alarms going off at WCAP 980 Lowell > > The two announcers joked about it, "a hot show" but did not > evacuate. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:03:58 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:03:58 -0500 Subject: Fire Alarms going off at WCAP 980 Lowell In-Reply-To: <213368.35049.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <213368.35049.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810021303i72960de1pa2ef54fb029a7dc2@mail.gmail.com> KNLV is right across from the courthouse and the town/county's siren is exceptionally loud .. and if one of the jocks is on live, it can be heard over the radio too. Paul On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > The live Merrimack Magazine afternoon show was somewhat interupted at > 2:55pm today due to fire alarms going off in the building a couple of times. > > The two announcers joked about it, "a hot show" but did not evacuate. > > John B > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Oct 2 18:17:48 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <160C3F9E4C984206AC4D5CBB419DE658@SatU205S5044> References: <534DAC06-0ECC-4985-B7C0-159C6FBDBC11@radio88.net> <004201c924c1$142029b0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <05E4E26042F048229EC1D47B1106BF9D@MainXPPro> <004901c924c7$e639a880$c7151bac@MasterExtra> <160C3F9E4C984206AC4D5CBB419DE658@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <005201c924dc$b458e6e0$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan.Strassberg [mailto:dan.strassberg@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:11 PM > To: Larry Weil; boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > > But reception of the HD-n (where n>1) subchannels is > particularly problematic in cars. If you lose sync with the > digital stream and you are tuned to the main HD channel > (HD-1), the receiver automatically falls back to analog, and > if everything has been set up correctly, the fallback is not > very noticeable, if not entirely aesthetically pleasing > (frequency response changes; stereo switches to mono). With > the n>1 subchannels, no analog stream carries the same > content, so my understanding is that the fallback is to > silence. I've seen reports (from HD radio proponents > campaigning for higher subchannel power on the FM band) that > claim that, with the current power levels, reliability of the > digital streams is simply unacceptable and coverage areas are > much smaller than for the main analog stream. Hence, > listening to HD-n (n>1) streams at home or at work MAY be OK > (though not necessarily), but listening in a moving vehicle > is unlikely to be acceptable unless you are very near the transmitter. Everything you said is true, but not a reason for not putting WBZ on an FM HD subchannel. No one is forcing you to listen to it on the HD subchannel, if you are getting it better on AM because of your location or situation, then listen to it there. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Thu Oct 2 18:21:47 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:21:47 -0400 Subject: Liz Walker Leaving WBZ-TV At End Of The Year Message-ID: <00f501c924dd$4350a220$0302a8c0@Mark> The Boston Globe website has an AP brief reporting that WBZ-TV's Liz Walker is leaving the station at the end of the year. No reason was given for her departure. Walker has been with Channel 4 since 1980. She was a weeknight news anchor until she moved to the Noon news several years ago while she studied to become an ordained minister. She then stepped down from news anchor duties in 2005 and began hosting a Sunday morning talk and public affairs program. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/10/02/boston_news_fixture_liz_walker_leaving_wbz/ Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Thu Oct 2 18:29:00 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Fire Alarms going off at WCAP 980 Lowell References: <213368.35049.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c924de$45d73080$0302a8c0@Mark> John Bolduc wrote: > The live Merrimack Magazine afternoon show was somewhat interupted at > 2:55pm today due to fire alarms going off in the building a couple of > times. The fire alarm system and sprinkler system was installed in the WCAP building a couple of years ago, as the downstairs establishment, Cappy's Copper Kettle, had to have sprinklers as required by the law passed in the wake of the tragic RI nightclub fire. Thus the entire building was done. It's not the first time the alarms have gone off during a live WCAP show. IIRC, they did go off one morning while Maurice Cohen still owned the station. They went off just as they went into the :50 break. George & crew evacuated the building. After weather & spots, music filled until network news at the top of the hour. Mark Watson From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 19:10:45 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:10:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:10 PM > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > With the n>1 subchannels, no analog stream carries > the same content, so my understanding is that the > fallback is to silence. I don't have HD in the car, but if my home HD tuner loses a subchannel, it falls back to the stations main analog channel, just like when it loses the HD-1. The difference is that, in this case, it's obviously not the same programming in analog as what you had been listening to in digital on the HD-2 or HD-3. EP From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Oct 2 20:30:54 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:30:54 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48E567BE.30803@ttlc.net> Eli Polonsky wrote: > ... if my home HD tuner loses a subchannel, it falls back to the stations main > analog channel, just like when it loses the HD-1. Odd decision on the part of the architects. I'd prefer silence. Imagine if an AM radio lost a signal and just automatically scanned to the next higher signal on the band? From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 00:37:40 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:37:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Roger Kirk >Sent: Oct 2, 2008 8:30 PM >To: Eli Polonsky >Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org, >"Dan.Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > >Eli Polonsky wrote: >> ... if my home HD tuner loses a subchannel, it falls back to >> the stations main analog channel, just like when it loses the >> HD-1. > >Odd decision on the part of the architects. I'd prefer silence. >Imagine if an AM radio lost a signal and just automatically >scanned to the next higher signal on the band? Well, that's not really what the HD radio is doing when it loses a subcarrier and falls back to the main analog channel. It's not scanning to another frequency, it's simply switching to the main analog carrier program on the same frequency. I doubt it was a conscious decision by the manufacturers. It's just designed to fall back to the analog station if it loses the HD, whether it's the HD-1 or an additional subcarrier. To make it differentiate between the HD-1 and any additional subcarrier to make the HD-2 or HD-3 default to silence would probably need an extra circuit, or extra system programming. The radio doesn't default to silence at any time. It's falls to analog whenever it doesn't get an adequate digital signal. It gets typical analog FM static on unused frequencies. It's not like a HDTV on which you can switch it to receive only digital signals. EP From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Oct 3 01:31:28 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:31:28 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a501c92519$4987b390$dc971ab0$@com> > > I don't have HD in the car, but if my home HD tuner > loses a subchannel, it falls back to the stations main > analog channel, just like when it loses the HD-1. The > difference is that, in this case, it's obviously not > the same programming in analog as what you had been > listening to in digital on the HD-2 or HD-3. > > EP My Sangean at home does just that. If I leave it playing WMJX HD-2 (smooth jazz) it'll sometimes drop to the analog Magic 106.7. Unfortunately it won't jump back when it sees the HD signal again. [Brian Vita] With respect to WBZ, I think that the big reason to put it on the HD-3 channel is that it gives a possible static free alternative to the analog AM channel. Yes, I can pick up WBZ in analog at my office in Peabody but it's riddled with noise, not only from the electronics within my office but also atmospheric and skip interference. WBZ-HD sounds a whole lot better. WBZ on Wxxx-HD3 might be even better since the HD on FM shouldn't be affected by the same noise that could kill the AM-HD signal. It's my understanding that the HD signals roughly work out as follows: FM HD-1 Near CD Sound Quality FM HD-2 Approximately FM Analog Quality FM HD-3 Interference free AM quality AM HD Approximately FM Analog Quality The only AM HD signal that I've really listened to is WBZ. My only comment is that it appears that either they're passing it through with the AM analog signal processing or that the HD processing is not set properly. While overall the signal sounds light years better, cleaner and less noisier, the high end seems to be boosted tremendously and spitty. Just my humble observation, though. Brian Vita From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 3 01:33:51 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:33:51 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <48E567BE.30803@ttlc.net> References: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <48E567BE.30803@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <48E5767F.18016.86D313@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Oct 2008 at 20:30, Roger Kirk wrote: > > Eli Polonsky wrote: > > ... if my home HD tuner loses a subchannel, it falls back to the > > stations main analog channel, just like when it loses the HD-1. > Odd decision on the part of the architects. I'd prefer silence. > Imagine if an AM radio lost a signal and just automatically scanned to > the next higher signal on the band? That's not the same. Dropping back to the analog signal switches to the same program, and if it's done seamlessly enough, it can be preferable to silence. Dropping to the next station up the band is to a different station and a different program. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 3 01:33:54 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:33:54 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Oct 2008 at 0:00, Eli Polonsky wrote: > The radio doesn't default to silence at any time. It's falls to > analog whenever it doesn't get an adequate digital signal. It > gets typical analog FM static on unused frequencies. It's not > like a HDTV on which you can switch it to receive only digital > signals. So what happens when you're listening to HD-3 and it loses the HD-3 signal, but still can get the HD-1 or HD-2 signal? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Oct 3 01:39:37 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:39:37 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c9251a$6cc0ec90$4642c5b0$@com> > > > The radio doesn't default to silence at any time. It's falls to > > analog whenever it doesn't get an adequate digital signal. It > > gets typical analog FM static on unused frequencies. It's not > > like a HDTV on which you can switch it to receive only digital > > signals. > > So what happens when you're listening to HD-3 and it loses the HD-3 > signal, but still can get the HD-1 or HD-2 signal? > [Brian Vita] I don't think that it works that way. I'm pretty sure that you either get an HD signal or not. If you can get HD, you'll get HD-1, HD-2 and HD-3 in the same data stream. If the HD signal is wonky, you'll get none of the above. Keep in mind that the ability to send the -2 and -3 streams, doesn't mean that they're actually in use. Brian From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 3 01:40:03 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:40:03 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18661.45107.185446.604151@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So what happens when you're listening to HD-3 and it loses the HD-3 > signal, but still can get the HD-1 or HD-2 signal? "Can't happen". The "HD2" and "HD3" programs are digital data streams carried alongside the "HD1" on the same carrier. There are different modes to the system which affect how much bandwidth is available, and programmers can choose the bandwidth they want to allocate to HD2 and HD3 (but not HD1) services. (Usually it's either 64+32 or 48+48 -- the choice will depend on the sort of programming aired.) This can be varied over time as programming changes. -GAWollman From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Oct 3 08:23:48 2008 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:23:48 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <8CAF36A054EAE65-ABC-2759@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> << From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Yes, I can pick up WBZ in analog at my office in Peabody but it's riddled with noise, not only from the electronics within my office but also atmospheric and skip interference. >> V-Soft rates WBZ at 89.8 dBu or 31.1 mV/m in Peabody, MA 01960. It is the strongest Boston station in that town. If this is not an adequate signal to overcome manmade noise and skip interference, then exactly what is ? Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Oct 3 12:02:05 2008 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:02:05 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <48E641FD.8080406@friedbagels.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > ... if my home HD tuner loses a subchannel, it falls back to the stations main > analog channel, just like when it loses the HD-1. Odd decision on the part of the architects. I'd prefer silence. Imagine if an AM radio lost a signal and just automatically scanned to the next higher signal on the band? ------------- It wasn't a decision. The original design for HD Radio had no provision for multicasting. It was just going to be a digital simulcast of the analog signal and that was it. Hence, the "blend back" style, where the receiver blends back to analog whenever the digital signal is lost; the content on both was the same...so while there'd be a noticeable drop in audio quality, it wouldn't be all that jarring. NPR realized the tremendous waste of potential and, in conjunction with Kenwood, essentially invented "Tomorrow Radio" which eventually became known as "multicasting". NAB and iBiquity HATED it at first - it had the potential to divide the advertising pie even further - but eventually the logic overwhelmed the profit margin...a rare time that's happened. Unfortunately, because Tomorrow Radio was created fairly late in the game, there wasn't really a plan for what happens when the HD signal gets too weak to maintain a HD-n stream. And since it's digital...as in, either there or not...the listener has little clue the signal is getting marginal until suddenly the multicast channel keeps muting repeatedly. I listen to multicasts around here quite a bit, and I admit it can be rather maddening when I get out on the fringe. Most radios will stay with a muted multicast channel for at least 10 to 20 seconds before giving up and going back to analog. Often it'll last a few minutes if there's HD signal there, but not enough to fill the buffer and start playing audio. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Oct 3 12:04:10 2008 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:04:10 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <48E6427A.9010209@friedbagels.com> So what happens when you're listening to HD-3 and it loses the HD-3 signal, but still can get the HD-1 or HD-2 signal? ------------- Doesn't work that way; either the digital signal is present...and thus you can receive any HD-n signal, or the digital signal not present, in which case if you're listening to HD1, it blends back to analog. If you're listening to HD2, HD3, etc it will mute until the digital buffer refills. If it doesn't refill after X seconds (usually 10 to 60) then it will give up and go back to analog. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Read | Finger Lakes Public Radio readaaron@friedbagels.com | General Manager (WEOS & WHWS-LP) Geneva, NY 14456 | www.weos.org / www.whws.fm From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Oct 3 15:22:00 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: Arbitron/PPM Message-ID: <48E670D8.9010600@ttlc.net> It would appear that NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo feels Arbitron has engaged in "unlawful and deceptive acts & practices" in its marketing and planned commercialization of the PPM methodology. Is this really that bad or just a tempest in a teapot? From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 3 16:03:55 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:03:55 -0400 Subject: Arbitron/PPM In-Reply-To: <48E670D8.9010600@ttlc.net> References: <48E670D8.9010600@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18662.31403.2297.444944@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It would appear that NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo feels Arbitron has > engaged in "unlawful and deceptive acts & practices" in its marketing > and planned commercialization of the PPM methodology. > Is this really that bad or just a tempest in a teapot? I think, just this once, that it's probably just political grandstanding. 'Tis the season, after all. Disclaimer: I haven't seen the complaint. I don't expect this to slow down the rollout in other markets. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 3 16:33:08 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:33:08 -0500 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Message-ID: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> I remember when the 105.7 freq lic. to Framingham was WVBF...and I also remember how they used to have a nickname: "F-105" These days such nicknames are first names (Jack, Jill, Mike, Hank, Frank--even XM gets into the act with, I kid you not, Fred, Ethel, and Lucy) or animal monikkers (The Fox, The Wolf, Bear, Froggy, etc.) But for awhile, and maybe still today in some places you had letter/number nicknames. Yeah, take one or two letters and a ref to the frequency and there you go: WVBF 105.7 --- F-105 WMEX 1510 --- X-15 Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, or is that not being used anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) Any from the area I can't remember? also on a slight tangent, how about stations who rounded off their frequencies? (jingle): "Ninety-four....WCGY" (93.7 actually) Chopping off last digit: "WBZ 103(0)" "68(0) WRKO" "Radio 8" (800 AM, WCCM) "85(0), WHDH" and "Rock 94 and a half, WCOZ" (94.5) Of course some AM radios, expecially in the past, had rounded off spots on the dial "5.4--7--9--11-13-15" or certainly "54--70--90--110--130--150" ("x10 kHz") From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Oct 3 17:42:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:42:27 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20081003214219.02CEA1C6C07@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:33 PM 10/3/2008, Bob Nelson wrote: >I remember when the 105.7 freq lic. to Framingham was WVBF...and I >also remember how they used to have a nickname: "F-105" I never understood why Oldies changed it from Oldies 103 to the much more cumbersome Oldies 103.3... And I recall the days when WMEX was "Color Radio." Later, during the rise of album rock and folk rock, it was briefly called "The Human Thing." Ah the good old days... From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Oct 3 17:55:18 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:55:18 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <48E694C6.6080509@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, or is that not being used anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" > (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) > > Any from the area I can't remember? > 103.6 in Nashua (Frank?) used to be B-106.3 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Oct 3 18:07:10 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:07:10 -0500 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com> I worked for one station that rounded off.. "Country Thunder Z96" (KYYZ, 96.1) Another station near me rounded off as well "Your Classic Hits Station, Z93 WZLA" (WZLA, 92.9) I can think of two stations in Connecticut, one that rounds off and one that doesnt... "97.7 WCTY" "Kool 101" (WKNL, 100.9) Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > I remember when the 105.7 freq lic. to Framingham was WVBF...and I also > remember how they used to have a nickname: "F-105" > > These days such nicknames are first names (Jack, Jill, Mike, Hank, > Frank--even XM gets into the > act with, I kid you not, Fred, Ethel, and Lucy) or animal monikkers (The > Fox, The Wolf, > Bear, Froggy, etc.) But for awhile, and maybe still today in some places > you had letter/number > nicknames. Yeah, take one or two letters and a ref to the frequency and > there you go: > > WVBF 105.7 --- F-105 > > WMEX 1510 --- X-15 > > Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, or is > that not being used > anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" > (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) > > Any from the area I can't remember? > > also on a slight tangent, how about stations who rounded off their > frequencies? > > (jingle): "Ninety-four....WCGY" (93.7 actually) > Chopping off last digit: > "WBZ 103(0)" > "68(0) WRKO" > "Radio 8" (800 AM, WCCM) > "85(0), WHDH" > > and > "Rock 94 and a half, WCOZ" (94.5) > > Of course some AM radios, expecially in the past, had rounded off spots on > the dial > > "5.4--7--9--11-13-15" or certainly > "54--70--90--110--130--150" ("x10 kHz") > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Oct 3 20:13:00 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:13:00 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkEyEA References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkEyEA Message-ID: <00cf01c925b5$f6e01a40$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> One 'rounding off" that IS used is for the 2 Frank (Nassau) stations in Central NH "99 and 104-9 Frank FM" does round off 99.1 to "99" BTW: 106.3 plays all the same songs in the same order as 99.1/104.9 varying from 10 seconds to 1 minute behind... Why not combine 106.3 with 99.1/104.9 at that point? What, different market albeit adjacent with significant overlap means the can't/won't trimulcast? Enlighten me good people... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:55 PM To: Bob Nelson Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Bob Nelson wrote: > Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, or is that not being used anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" > (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) > > Any from the area I can't remember? > 103.6 in Nashua (Frank?) used to be B-106.3 From paul@derrynh.net Fri Oct 3 20:26:28 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:26:28 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkEiEA References: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkEiEA Message-ID: <00d601c925b7$d85c2490$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> Ah! The old X-15 Air Force! Some others were: Y-102 for the old WLYN-FM (101.7) Z-107 for the old WBZ-FM (106.7) JB-105 for the old WPJB Providence (105.1) Do they still use PRO-92 for WPRO-FM (92.3)? Z-94 for the WZOU incarnation of 94.5 WVBF was also "Boston 105" at one point Of course WJIB was "97" all it years at 96.9 -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:33 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: [SPAM]Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... I remember when the 105.7 freq lic. to Framingham was WVBF...and I also remember how they used to have a nickname: "F-105" These days such nicknames are first names (Jack, Jill, Mike, Hank, Frank--even XM gets into the act with, I kid you not, Fred, Ethel, and Lucy) or animal monikkers (The Fox, The Wolf, Bear, Froggy, etc.) But for awhile, and maybe still today in some places you had letter/number nicknames. Yeah, take one or two letters and a ref to the frequency and there you go: WVBF 105.7 --- F-105 WMEX 1510 --- X-15 Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, or is that not being used anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) Any from the area I can't remember? also on a slight tangent, how about stations who rounded off their frequencies? (jingle): "Ninety-four....WCGY" (93.7 actually) Chopping off last digit: "WBZ 103(0)" "68(0) WRKO" "Radio 8" (800 AM, WCCM) "85(0), WHDH" and "Rock 94 and a half, WCOZ" (94.5) Of course some AM radios, expecially in the past, had rounded off spots on the dial "5.4--7--9--11-13-15" or certainly "54--70--90--110--130--150" ("x10 kHz") From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Oct 3 22:30:56 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:30:56 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <00d601c925b7$d85c2490$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> References: Message-ID: <48e6d573.4403be0a.4bc5.ffffb5e3@mx.google.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Z-107 for the old WBZ-FM (106.7) > I don't remember that one, but WERZ in Exeter, N.H. used to be Z-107 in the 80s (indeed the call letters stood for We R Z107). From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Oct 3 22:52:04 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:52:04 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <00a501c92519$4987b390$dc971ab0$@com> References: <17726646.1222989045243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00a501c92519$4987b390$dc971ab0$@com> Message-ID: At 1:31 AM -0400 10/3/08, Brian Vita wrote: > >The only AM HD signal that I've really listened to is WBZ. My only >comment is that it appears that either they're passing it through >with the AM analog signal processing or that the HD processing is >not set properly. While overall the signal sounds light years >better, cleaner and less noisier, the high end seems to be boosted >tremendously and spitty. Just my humble observation, though. This is my observation too. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Oct 3 22:53:44 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:53:44 -0400 Subject: Spam: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <10375071.1223008660684.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48E57682.6439.86DE3E@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:33 AM -0400 10/3/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >So what happens when you're listening to HD-3 and it loses the HD-3 >signal, but still can get the HD-1 or HD-2 signal? I doesn't work that way. If you loose HD, you loose all HD on that station. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Oct 4 02:31:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:31:45 -0500 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> Irony is that CBS should put WINS on HDFM to give them better coverage in Jersey and north of the Tappan Zee. I think HD on AM is folly and AM may not even exist 20 years from now. On a side note as digital AM ever caught on in Canada? I understand it is a completely different system than the US. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Oct 4 02:43:43 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:43:43 -0500 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Message-ID: <20081004064343.9CC5583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I think my older brother (now 51) won a record album from the old "X-15", WMEX. Drumroll: Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods! Y-102 most definitely. I remember JB105, Z94, etc There was a record album WMWM had by a group called The Fabulous Billygoons and it had a quote on the back from a "Coach Tom Lane, Y-102"... From paul@derrynh.net Sat Oct 4 07:17:56 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:17:56 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLFkFyEA References: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLFkFyEA Message-ID: <002401c92612$daf7ceb0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> They used it briefly in the later 70s (I don't recall specifically what year). When Ken Shelton and Clark Schmidt were on there... I listened because except when the had Celtics games when AM 1030 had the B's and C's and there were conflicts....anyways, except for that, WBZ-FM did not run commercials. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of SteveOrdinetz Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:31 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Z-107 for the old WBZ-FM (106.7) > I don't remember that one, but WERZ in Exeter, N.H. used to be Z-107 in the 80s (indeed the call letters stood for We R Z107). From mamros@MIT.EDU Sat Oct 4 10:57:35 2008 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:57:35 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:42:27 EDT." <20081003214219.02CEA1C6C07@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <200810041457.m94EvZ0w016605@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> >I never understood why Oldies changed it from Oldies 103 to the much >more cumbersome Oldies 103.3... I suppose, if all of their listeners have tuners that are as old as the music the station plays, it wouldn't be an issue... Actually, my oldest tuner (circa 1984) is a digital one, and it can tune in 103.0 - on which it gets dead silence. 103.3 comes in great on it, though. Out of the nine different types of tuners we own (both home and car), only one is analog - a Tivoli Audio PAL (only three or four years old, but its designer, the late Henry Kloss, apparently insisted on an analog design). -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Oct 4 15:37:18 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:37:18 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net> There are several stations in Connecticut that still use letter- number ID's... KC-101 (WKCI/Hamden) 96.5 TIC (WTIC-FM/Hartford) Q-105 (WQGN/Groton) I-95 (WRKI/Brookfield) 98Q (WDAQ/Danbury) I-98.3 (WILI-FM/Willimantic) 14WILI (WILI/Willimantic) ..and I'm sure I'm missing a few others. On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I worked for one station that rounded off.. > > "Country Thunder Z96" (KYYZ, 96.1) > > Another station near me rounded off as well "Your Classic Hits > Station, Z93 > WZLA" (WZLA, 92.9) > > I can think of two stations in Connecticut, one that rounds off and > one that > doesnt... > > "97.7 WCTY" > "Kool 101" (WKNL, 100.9) > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Bob Nelson > wrote: > >> I remember when the 105.7 freq lic. to Framingham was WVBF...and I >> also >> remember how they used to have a nickname: "F-105" >> >> These days such nicknames are first names (Jack, Jill, Mike, Hank, >> Frank--even XM gets into the >> act with, I kid you not, Fred, Ethel, and Lucy) or animal >> monikkers (The >> Fox, The Wolf, >> Bear, Froggy, etc.) But for awhile, and maybe still today in some >> places >> you had letter/number >> nicknames. Yeah, take one or two letters and a ref to the >> frequency and >> there you go: >> >> WVBF 105.7 --- F-105 >> >> WMEX 1510 --- X-15 >> >> Oops, now that I think of it some still are in use! "B-101" Prov, >> or is >> that not being used >> anymore?; Seacoast area used to have "B-95.3" >> (now the Kiss simulcast, right?) >> >> Any from the area I can't remember? >> >> also on a slight tangent, how about stations who rounded off their >> frequencies? >> >> (jingle): "Ninety-four....WCGY" (93.7 actually) >> Chopping off last digit: >> "WBZ 103(0)" >> "68(0) WRKO" >> "Radio 8" (800 AM, WCCM) >> "85(0), WHDH" >> >> and >> "Rock 94 and a half, WCOZ" (94.5) >> >> Of course some AM radios, expecially in the past, had rounded off >> spots on >> the dial >> >> "5.4--7--9--11-13-15" or certainly >> "54--70--90--110--130--150" ("x10 kHz") >> From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Oct 4 15:55:29 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:55:29 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The CRTC is encouraging broadcasters to abandon the AM band in Canada and migrate to FM. Digitizing AM signals runs contradictory to their goal of having AM stations only in the largest cities. They may have had a system at one time, but it's kind of a moot point now. Now Mexico is doing the same thing. Station owners there are being given the opportunity to move their facilities to FM. They can apply for a frequency, then would have a year to build it out and another year after that to shut down the AM's. Of course, there are far fewer stations in Mexico than in the US, and there will be problems trying to find FM spectrum space around Tijuana, Mexico City and other towns near the US border. -Dave Tomm On Oct 4, 2008, at 2:31 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Irony is that CBS should put WINS on HDFM to give them better coverage > in Jersey and north of the Tappan Zee. > > I think HD on AM is folly and AM may not even exist 20 years from now. > > On a side note as digital AM ever caught on in Canada? I understand it > is a completely different system than the US. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 16:03:51 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:03:51 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4669FCC9FE7346B9BEBFEED7A6369339@MainXPPro> > Digitizing AM signals runs contradictory to their > goal of having AM stations only in the largest cities. Why would they have this as a goal? From keith.fornal@cox.net Sat Oct 4 22:41:51 2008 From: keith.fornal@cox.net (Keith Fornal) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:41:51 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97CB1EF1F92949CBB59C5042ADB7A7B7@KeithPC> WINS is now on the HD3 of AC WWFS (Fresh 102.7). -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:32 AM To: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re:WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Irony is that CBS should put WINS on HDFM to give them better coverage in Jersey and north of the Tappan Zee. I think HD on AM is folly and AM may not even exist 20 years from now. On a side note as digital AM ever caught on in Canada? I understand it is a completely different system than the US. From lglavin@mail.com Sat Oct 4 16:32:52 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:32:52 -0500 Subject: GBH-FM Restores Some Classical Programs Message-ID: <20081004203252.A4BD81CE90D@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Starting today (Saturday, October 4th), WGBH-FM's basic over-the-air analog channel, restored some of the classical music programming it dropped a few years ago (a WGBH HD channel is currently all-classical). Instead of providing a partial simulcast of the Saturday and Sunday "Weekend Edition" broadcasts from 10:00 am till noon (also heard on from 8:00 till 11:00 am on WBUR), WGBH-FM will expand "Classical Weekend" until 11:00 am both days. On Saturdays, it will be followed by "From the Top", and on Sundays by a talk show called "Says You". ("Says You" will continue to be heard at 8:00 pm on Saturdays, or until Nassau Broadcasting goes broke and flips WCRB 99.5 FM to sports or something, thus necessitating the moving of the Boston Symphony broadcasts to that time slot on WGBH. The Sunday morning airing of "Says You" will be a boon to hockey fans who listen to the show, reportedly a sizable percentage of its audience, who are thus conflicted when a Broonz game is on at the same time.) This change to WGBH-FM's schedule reverses the trend of many NPR/PRI outlets that have REPLACED musical programming of any type: classical, folk, jazz, new age etc, with news or talk. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Oct 4 23:16:52 2008 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:16:52 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 Message-ID: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> During the 11pm news From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Oct 5 10:21:14 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:21:14 -0400 Subject: WMWM Goes On line (finally) Message-ID: <000901c926f5$a007f990$e017ecb0$@com> I was going to headline this "WMWM goes LD Radio" but we've always been in Low Def. :-) After several years of wrangling with the realities of licensing and royalties, WMWM Salem State College Radio starts streaming on the internet tomorrow at 7AM. Actually, we've been streaming for the past two weeks or and have used this time to debug the system before the "official" announcement for tomorrow morning. The stream will be accessible from our main site of www.wmwmsalem.com which will redirect you to www.wmwmonline.com to go online. We'll also be accessible via www.live365.com/salemstate or through the Live 365 search engine. If you want to check out our "eclectic" programming here's Sunday's schedule: 9-12 Traxx of the Town - Local Bands - Doug Mascott 12-3 Juke Joint - Blues - this is Bob Nelson's show though I'm not sure if he's the DJ on today 3-6 MoodSwings - Jazz - Our jazz show with rotating hosts. Today Larry Green is up 6-9 Fair Dinkum Aussie Radio (Three) Hour(s) with Scott Grenquist 9-12 Sunday Night Chill - Jazz, Chill & Wind down - hosted by yours truly If any of our esteemed list members have any feedback, I'd be very glad to hear it. Keep in mind that I have no control over the content (other than my own show). I only handle the tech end. If the group is interested in the tech nuts and bolts of how we're doing it, I'll be glad to post it. ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 5 13:32:18 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E8C1E2.21461.1B080B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Oct 2008 at 1:31, Kevin Vahey wrote: > On a side note as digital AM ever caught on in Canada? I understand it > is a completely different system than the US. I believe they do digital on an entirely different band. No in-band- on-channel for them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 5 13:32:18 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:32:18 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com>, <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net> Message-ID: <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Oct 2008 at 15:37, David Tomm wrote: > There are several stations in Connecticut that still use letter- > number ID's... > > KC-101 (WKCI/Hamden) > 96.5 TIC (WTIC-FM/Hartford) > Q-105 (WQGN/Groton) > I-95 (WRKI/Brookfield) > 98Q (WDAQ/Danbury) > I-98.3 (WILI-FM/Willimantic) > 14WILI (WILI/Willimantic) As I was driving home from Amherst last night I heard WDRC-FM in Hartford. They no longer call themselves "Big D 103" (or was it "Big D 102"?), but they do say "Big D" now and then. Mostly they're 'DRC- FM." They IDed as "WDRC-FM and WDRC-FM-HD1." Why? During the Saturday night request show, someone called in doing a really great "Gosh darn it" immitation of Sarah Palin and requested "North to Alaska," which they played "for Sarah." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Oct 5 13:37:45 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:37:45 -0500 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com> <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net> <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810051037p304360d7o65d1291aaebd162f@mail.gmail.com> They used to ID as BIG D 103.. I used to listen to them all the time when I was in middle school and high school. Why wouldn't they ID as "WDRC-FM and WDRC-FM HD1"? Maybe I'm missing the point of your question. Paul On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4 Oct 2008 at 15:37, David Tomm wrote: > > > There are several stations in Connecticut that still use letter- > > number ID's... > > > > KC-101 (WKCI/Hamden) > > 96.5 TIC (WTIC-FM/Hartford) > > Q-105 (WQGN/Groton) > > I-95 (WRKI/Brookfield) > > 98Q (WDAQ/Danbury) > > I-98.3 (WILI-FM/Willimantic) > > 14WILI (WILI/Willimantic) > > As I was driving home from Amherst last night I heard WDRC-FM in > Hartford. They no longer call themselves "Big D 103" (or was it "Big > D 102"?), but they do say "Big D" now and then. Mostly they're 'DRC- > FM." They IDed as "WDRC-FM and WDRC-FM-HD1." Why? > > During the Saturday night request show, someone called in doing a > really great "Gosh darn it" immitation of Sarah Palin and requested > "North to Alaska," which they played "for Sarah." > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Oct 5 13:50:07 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:50:07 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> <48E8C1E2.21461.1B080B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1A47D72AD8654A85B511E79E9DF959E6@SatU205S5044> Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I believe). In the US, L-Band is reserved for military communications. The Canadian system involved grouping broadcasters in each market onto a single transmitter and antenna. A Multiplexing scheme of some sort (I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various stations. In Toronto, I believe that all of the Eureka-147 signals originate from that very tall tower (I think it's called the CN tower) that, IIRC, sort of resembles the Seattle Space Needle. Both the Space Needle and the CN tower have revolving restaurants near the top. I don't think they use the microwave energy from the antenna to cook the food or the restaurant patrons (at least, they don't do so intentionally;>) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re:WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! > On 4 Oct 2008 at 1:31, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> On a side note as digital AM ever caught on in Canada? I understand >> it >> is a completely different system than the US. > > I believe they do digital on an entirely different band. No > in-band- > on-channel for them. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sun Oct 5 14:45:25 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com><8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com> <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net> Message-ID: <001a01c9271a$880a9e40$50864c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tomm To: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... > There are several stations in Connecticut that still use letter- > number ID's... > > KC-101 (WKCI/Hamden) > 96.5 TIC (WTIC-FM/Hartford) > Q-105 (WQGN/Groton) > I-95 (WRKI/Brookfield) > 98Q (WDAQ/Danbury) > I-98.3 (WILI-FM/Willimantic) > 14WILI (WILI/Willimantic) > > ..and I'm sure I'm missing a few others. WEBE-108 (pronounced "weebee") (WEBE/Westport) Howard From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Oct 5 01:10:24 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:10:24 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> At 11:16 PM 10/4/2008, Gary wrote: >During the 11pm news It was a false alarm, we had been having trouble with the alarm system earlier, and unfortunately it happened again just in time for the 11. There is no way to silence the alarm in the newsroom, so it sounded until the fire department issued it's "all clear". Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master ontrol. From sid@wrko.com Sun Oct 5 17:14:11 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:14:11 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <8bce0fe80810031507u6d684b2ft58462f77659e914a@mail.gmail.com>, <7CC8C0D4-8714-4ABE-9C66-EA0C85E77774@charter.net>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>They IDed as "WDRC-FM and WDRC-FM-HD1." Why?<< Because the FCC requires it, although the wording of the revised regulation is subject to a number of interpretations. This one (ID'ing as you noted) seems to be the method most stations have settled on. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Oct 5 18:02:59 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:02:59 -0500 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Message-ID: <20081005220259.D11E8CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> WGNA-FM 107.7 in Albany used to be "Interstate 108" From billohno@gmail.com Sun Oct 5 08:31:20 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:31:20 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com> Gary wrote: > During the 11pm news > It sounds like the alarm companies are looking for free plugs. First WCAP radio and then Ch 7. They should buy the rate card like the rest of the planet. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Oct 5 19:09:11 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:09:11 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101c9273f$61246d90$236d48b0$@com> > Gary wrote: > > During the 11pm news > > > It sounds like the alarm companies are looking for free plugs. First > WCAP radio and then Ch 7. They should buy the rate card like the rest > of the planet. > After all of the false alarms it should be "buy time or we will mention your name on the air". [Brian Vita] From markwats@comcast.net Sun Oct 5 19:36:15 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:36:15 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <035801c92743$2ac6e620$0302a8c0@Mark> Bill O'Neill wrote: > It sounds like the alarm companies are looking for free plugs. First WCAP > radio and then Ch 7. They should buy the rate card like the rest of the > planet. Or maybe trade? Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Sun Oct 5 14:03:24 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:03:24 -0500 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! Message-ID: <20081005180324.47C9032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Paul B. Walker, Jr." , "Kevin Vahey" >Subject: Re: Re:WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:50:07 -0400 >Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my >guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I >believe). In the US, L-Band is reserved for military communications. >The Canadian system involved grouping broadcasters in each market onto >a single transmitter and antenna. A Multiplexing scheme of some sort >(I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or >orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various >stations. In Toronto, I believe that all of the Eureka-147 signals >originate from that very tall tower (I think it's called the CN tower) >that, IIRC, sort of resembles the Seattle Space Needle. Both the Space >Needle and the CN tower have revolving restaurants near the top. I >don't think they use the microwave energy from the antenna to cook the >food or the restaurant patrons (at least, they don't do so >intentionally;>) >----- >Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >eFax 1-707-215-6367 I wonder if all the patrons dining at the Top of the Pru (not to mention the staff) are being "fried" by the FM's and channel 68 (is their DTV antenna there too?) on the roof. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From rgilber4@maine.rr.com Sun Oct 5 19:11:24 2008 From: rgilber4@maine.rr.com (Bob Gilbert) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:11:24 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Message-ID: <1ECE65493B3248978A744C9699A6D860@OwnerPC> Up here in Maine we've had "Magic 93" WMGX,at 94.3 there was WYJY Joy 94.3,WSTG Star 94.3 and currently 94'CYY. When WKSQ Ellsworth was @ 94.3 it was KISS 94,when it moved to 94.5 it became KISS 94.5. 95.9 Saco was WHYR Y95.9 then R 96,then WRED RED HOT 95, 97.9 Portland was 98'JBQ,then became WCSO Coast 98 for about a week then became Ocean 98.Then back to WJBQ as Q 97 dot 9. Waterville had WDBX B98.3 then moved to 98.5 WEBB and is now B98.5 100.1 Auburn was Wave 100 then moved to 99.9 and became Kiss 100 then Mix 99.9,then Kiss 99.3 Kennebunk was WBACH is now the Wolf 99.9 and now 99.9 the Wolf. 100.9 Westbrook was fm 101,then became Z 101,then Y 101,then Oldies 100.9 and is now Y 100.9. 102.5 Camden was Coast 102.5 and is now 102.5 the Peak. 104.7 in Belfast was the Fox is now the Bear. 104.7 Kennebunkport was 104.7 QEZ,then the Bone now WBACH 105.9 Bath was Y 106,then Rock 106 then Rock 105.9 106.3 was WJBQ Rockin 106 1/2,the WBQW WBACH References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> <48E8C1E2.21461.1B080B@joe.attorneyross.com> <1A47D72AD8654A85B511E79E9DF959E6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18665.25142.40671.45219@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my > guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I > believe). In Canada. Other countries use different bands. The countries where it's been successful generally use Band III (VHF-high), as those countries have moved television to UHF. > (I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or > orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various > stations. It's OFDM. The Wikipedia article explains the precise technique (jump to the "Technology" section -- most of the rest of the article was written by British anti-Eureka anoraks). -GAWollman From billohno@gmail.com Sun Oct 5 20:58:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:58:42 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <1ECE65493B3248978A744C9699A6D860@OwnerPC> References: <1ECE65493B3248978A744C9699A6D860@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <48E962C2.4080609@gmail.com> Bob Gilbert wrote: > 106.7 North Windham is the Bone > "The Bone?" Say it ain't so. What follows writes itself: The Bone... happy to see you The bone... just enjoying the show The bone... Home of the doobie brothers The bone... "The Dog" is chasing us. The bone... Music for meat lovers The bone... We salute you The bone... If you listen for over four hours, contact your doctor. b - -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From sid@wrko.com Sun Oct 5 21:02:44 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:02:44 -0400 Subject: WCBS Newsradio 880 in HD, FM that is! In-Reply-To: <20081005180324.47C9032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081005180324.47C9032675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10D@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I wonder if all the patrons dining at the Top of the Pru (not to mention the staff) are being "fried" by the FM's and channel 68 (is their DTV antenna there too?) on the roof.<< Short answer: No. Each licensee must certify, at license renewal time, that the levels of RF exposure to the general public are lower than FCC limits. A fairly simple calcuation is done to meet the certification, based on ERP and the distance to the nearest area to which the public has access. Master antenna systems have their own set of rules, IIRC, and the FCC takes this stuff very seriously. A few years back, the tenants of the Mt. Wilson antenna farm overlooking Los Angeles were hit with a huge fine because someone left a gate open, which was discovered during a routine FCC inspection of one of the stations. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From billohno@gmail.com Sun Oct 5 20:51:46 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:51:46 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> Message-ID: <48E96122.6060600@gmail.com> Larry Weil wrote: > There is no way to silence the alarm in the newsroom, Why not? Aren't big, tricked-out strobes sufficient for master control? Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 6 00:11:36 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:11:36 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Oct 2008 at 17:14, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>They IDed as "WDRC-FM and WDRC-FM-HD1." Why?<< > > Because the FCC requires it, although the wording of the revised > regulation is subject to a number of interpretations. This one > (ID'ing as you noted) seems to be the method most stations have > settled on. I regularly listen to WFCR online, and they don't ID that way. Why WDRC-FM-HD1 and not WDRC-HD or WDRC-FM-HD? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Oct 6 00:11:36 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:11:36 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <004101c9273f$61246d90$236d48b0$@com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com>, <004101c9273f$61246d90$236d48b0$@com> Message-ID: <48E957B8.16411.2645245@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Oct 2008 at 19:09, Brian Vita wrote: > After all of the false alarms it should be "buy time or we will > mention your name on the air". [Brian Vita] Reminds me of a vote we had in Brookline Town Meeting last spring to name a new public park that was made from a former landfill site. The Naming Committee recommended naming it "Skyline Park" as a place holder (so people wouldn't call it "Landfill Park"), in the hope of finding a corporate sponsor who would buy naming rights. Someone proposed that there are companies that might not want their names associated with a former landfull site, and we should threaten to name it after them without their consent and get them to pay us not to do so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Mon Oct 6 00:59:56 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:59:56 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA Message-ID: <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> Whit apologies to Progressive dot com? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:52 PM To: Larry Weil Cc: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 Larry Weil wrote: > There is no way to silence the alarm in the newsroom, Why not? Aren't big, tricked-out strobes sufficient for master control? Bill O'Neill From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Oct 6 04:59:00 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:59:00 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <48E957B8.16411.2645245@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com>, <004101c9273f$61246d90$236d48b0$@com> <48E957B8.16411.2645245@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <48E9D354.40006@gabrielmass.com> On 10/06/2008 12:11 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5 Oct 2008 at 19:09, Brian Vita wrote: > >> After all of the false alarms it should be "buy time or we will >> mention your name on the air". [Brian Vita] > > Reminds me of a vote we had in Brookline Town Meeting last spring to > name a new public park that was made from a former landfill site. > The Naming Committee recommended naming it "Skyline Park" as a place > holder (so people wouldn't call it "Landfill Park"), in the hope of > finding a corporate sponsor who would buy naming rights. Someone > proposed that there are companies that might not want their names > associated with a former landfull site, and we should threaten to > name it after them without their consent and get them to pay us not > to do so. > Is this a difference between a town entity and the Dreaded Private Sector? I assume that a radio station isn't free to attempt extortion. --rc From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 6 07:35:37 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:35:37 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I regularly listen to WFCR online, and they don't ID that way. Why WDRC-FM-HD1 and not WDRC-HD or WDRC-FM-HD?<< First: The assigned call sign is WDRC-FM, so it must be stated exactly that way in the legal ID. Second: Since HD running in extended hybrid mode is capable of three secondary channels plus a data channel, ID'ing as HD does not identify which HD channel is simulcasting the analog channel. HD1 makes that clear. Are you sure WFCR is running HD, and if so, are you sure they're not ID'ing as WFCR, WFCR-HD1 on the air (remember there's no legal ID requirement for online stations)? Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From billohno@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 09:11:28 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:11:28 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> Message-ID: <48EA0E80.2040809@gmail.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Whit apologies to Progressive dot com? > > Why no, compliments. (That's a great spot. They are making a creative run at the Gecko). b - From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 09:31:51 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:31:51 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <48E9D354.40006@gabrielmass.com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <48E8B398.10801@gmail.com>, <004101c9273f$61246d90$236d48b0$@com> <48E957B8.16411.2645245@joe.attorneyross.com> <48E9D354.40006@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <003b01c927b7$e4963f00$adc2bd00$@com> > On 10/06/2008 12:11 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > On 5 Oct 2008 at 19:09, Brian Vita wrote: > > > >> After all of the false alarms it should be "buy time or we will > >> mention your name on the air". [Brian Vita] > > > > Reminds me of a vote we had in Brookline Town Meeting last spring to > > name a new public park that was made from a former landfill site. > > The Naming Committee recommended naming it "Skyline Park" as a place > > holder (so people wouldn't call it "Landfill Park"), in the hope of > > finding a corporate sponsor who would buy naming rights. Someone > > proposed that there are companies that might not want their names > > associated with a former landfull site, and we should threaten to > > name it after them without their consent and get them to pay us not > > to do so. > > > > Is this a difference between a town entity and the Dreaded Private > Sector? I assume that a radio station isn't free to attempt > extortion. > > --rc [Brian Vita] Is it extortion if the XYZ alarm company installed the system? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 09:34:09 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:34:09 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <003e01c927b8$36a860c0$a3f92240$@com> > First: The assigned call sign is WDRC-FM, so it must be stated exactly > that way in the legal ID. > > Second: Since HD running in extended hybrid mode is capable of three > secondary channels plus a data channel, ID'ing as HD does not identify > which HD channel is simulcasting the analog channel. HD1 makes that > clear. > [Brian Vita] If you are running multicast HD, do you have to identify HD-1, HD-2 & HD-3 or can you just ID them as WXYZ-HD (same ID on all 3 streams)? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 09:35:40 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:35:40 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <48EA0E80.2040809@gmail.com> References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> <48EA0E80.2040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101c927b8$6d1a5dc0$474f1940$@com> > Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > Whit apologies to Progressive dot com? > > > > > Why no, compliments. (That's a great spot. They are making a creative > run at the Gecko). > I think that they should run an ad insuring against lizard pests. [Brian Vita] From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 09:41:15 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:41:15 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite Message-ID: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> House Rep Markey has introduced bill HR 7157 to require all AM/FM radios sold in the US to include HD and satellite. Here's the boost that HD need to become viable. http://radiomagonline.com/currents/congressional-bill-require-satellite-radi o-0930/ ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 6 09:56:31 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:56:31 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <003e01c927b8$36a860c0$a3f92240$@com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <003e01c927b8$36a860c0$a3f92240$@com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED939C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>If you are running multicast HD, do you have to identify HD-1, HD-2 & HD-3 or can you just ID them as WXYZ-HD (same ID on all 3 streams)?<< My read of the rule (47 CFR ?73.1201) is that it's not very clear. Using the numbers following the letters "HD" seems to have become the norm, and I haven't heard of anyone being cited for doing it that way. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 10:00:58 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:00:58 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite Message-ID: <48EA1A1A.2090701@Gmail.com> Brian Vita wrote, > House Rep Markey has introduced bill HR 7157 to require all > AM/FM radios sold in the US to include HD and satellite. > Here's the boost that HD need to become viable. > > http://radiomagonline.com/currents/congressional-bill-require-satellite-radio-0930/ Not quite, the article is misleading??click the link to the actual bill: http://markey.house.gov/docs/telecomm/hr7157_final_text.pdf It says, > To require that radios used in the satellite digital radio > service be capable of receiving terrestrial digital radio signals. i.e., *satellite* capable receivers must also be IBOC capable, not just any radio. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Oct 6 10:04:33 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:04:33 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> References: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> Message-ID: <48EA1AF1.5050304@gabrielmass.com> On 10/06/2008 09:41 AM, Brian Vita wrote: > House Rep Markey has introduced bill HR 7157 to require all AM/FM radios > sold in the US to include HD and satellite. Here's the boost that HD need > to become viable. > > http://radiomagonline.com/currents/congressional-bill-require-satellite-radio-0930/ The radiomag folks didn't read the legislation closely enough (it's linked in their article). It doesn't require that all radios include satellite. Rather, it requires that if they include both satellite and conventional AM/FM, they have to include digital terrestrial (HD). --RC From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 6 10:43:43 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:43:43 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED939C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <003e01c927b8$36a860c0$a3f92240$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED939C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <48EA241F.2020705@fybush.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >>> If you are running multicast HD, do you have to identify HD-1, > HD-2 & HD-3 or can you just ID them as WXYZ-HD (same ID on all 3 > streams)?<< > > My read of the rule (47 CFR ?73.1201) is that it's not very clear. > Using the numbers following the letters "HD" seems to have become the > norm, and I haven't heard of anyone being cited for doing it that > way. The rule is EXTREMELY unclear. I'm hoping someone prods the FCC into clarifying it soon... s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 6 10:28:50 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:28:50 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB><48EA0E80.2040809@gmail.com> <004101c927b8$6d1a5dc0$474f1940$@com> Message-ID: Or at least lizards with curious accents. Is the Geico gecko's accent S African or Autralian? Doesn't quite sound British to me. WikiPedia says Australian. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Bill O'Neill'" ; Cc: "'Boston radio e-mail list'" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 >> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >> > Whit apologies to Progressive dot com? >> > >> > >> Why no, compliments. (That's a great spot. They are making a >> creative >> run at the Gecko). >> > I think that they should run an ad insuring against lizard pests. > [Brian Vita] > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 11:54:43 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:54:43 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> References: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> Message-ID: <18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > House Rep Markey has introduced bill HR 7157 to require all AM/FM radios > sold in the US to include HD and satellite. Here's the boost that HD need > to become viable. Lovely. I'm glad to see that Markey is continuing to do everything he can to earn my distrust. Sounds like it's time to write Another Letter. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 11:56:50 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:56:50 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <48EA1A1A.2090701@Gmail.com> References: <48EA1A1A.2090701@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <18666.13634.794543.927168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> To require that radios used in the satellite digital radio >> service be capable of receiving terrestrial digital radio signals. > i.e., *satellite* capable receivers must also be IBOC capable, not > just any radio. Oh, that's a bit better than what Brian had painted it as. My faith in Ed Markey is restored! :-) Since they already have to pay most of the same license fees for the satellite patents, adding on the iBiquity patent portfolio isn't likely to significantly increase the cost of the units. I may still write a letter. -GAWollman From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Oct 6 12:11:05 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:11:05 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> <18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <48EA3899.8050206@gabrielmass.com> On 10/06/2008 11:54 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I may still write a letter. I'd appreciate getting your and other readers' analysis on the proposal. The last time I wrote to Markey, it's because he was calling for some academic to be jailed for exposing a computer security lapse. He eventually got the point. On the face of things, this bill handicaps Sirius/XM slightly by compelling equipment makers to add access to the competing HD services; it thus serves terrestrial broadcasters' interests. Is that Markey's general approach? There's no counterpart provision requiring that makers of HD radios add satellite access, probably wisely. Does the monopoly position of Sirius/XM justify this tilt? --RC From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 12:35:48 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:35:48 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com> AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA <001801c92770$611b76a0$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB><48EA0E80.2040809@gmail.com> <004101c927b8$6d1a5dc0$474f1940$@com> Message-ID: <000301c927d1$971650c0$c542f240$@com> > Or at least lizards with curious accents. Is the Geico gecko's accent > S African or Autralian? Doesn't quite sound British to me. WikiPedia > says Australian. > [Brian Vita] My salesman from one of my vendors is from New Zealand. The voice match is so close that I thought that he was moonlighting as a voice over artist. I made the mistake of asking him one day if he was from Australia - BIG MISTAKE. Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Oct 6 12:37:39 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:37:39 -0400 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <18666.13634.794543.927168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <48EA1A1A.2090701@Gmail.com> <18666.13634.794543.927168@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000601c927d1$d974fa20$8c5eee60$@com> > < said: > > >> To require that radios used in the satellite digital radio > >> service be capable of receiving terrestrial digital radio signals. > > > i.e., *satellite* capable receivers must also be IBOC capable, not > > just any radio. > > Oh, that's a bit better than what Brian had painted it as. My faith > in Ed Markey is restored! :-) [Brian Vita] Mea culpa. I read the magazine article, not the actual text of the bill. Brian From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 13:04:09 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:04:09 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break Message-ID: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> On my way home from Sunday dinner, I listened to the Sox game on the flagship for a little while. I noted that the Sox network is still not doing the legal ID break at the time that stations are legally required to identify (before the first commercial at the end of the half-inning). This time the 8pm network ID break didn't happen until 8:16. This has been a fairly consistent pattern every time I've listened to the Sox network this year. I'm told that some network stations, like WTIC, have taken to inserting their own ID over the network audio. Would it be too late to mention this to the Commission in conjunction with WRKO's license renewal from 2005, which still has not been granted? (Not that I'd want to make common cause with Ed Stolz....) -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 6 13:29:32 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:29:32 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770810061029q20d711f0o9d9d162f436558b5@mail.gmail.com> It was even worse later where the ID ran at 11:22 PM. BTW does WRKO just send the Boston feed to the affiliates? The reason I ask is MLB.com on their stream has all local WRKO breaks including ID instead of a clean network feed. When Jane Day ran the Sox network out of WPLM Plymouth she made sure that nothing WPLM related went on the bird. On 10/6/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > On my way home from Sunday dinner, I listened to the Sox game on the > flagship for a little while. I noted that the Sox network is still > not doing the legal ID break at the time that stations are legally > required to identify (before the first commercial at the end of the > half-inning). This time the 8pm network ID break didn't happen until > 8:16. This has been a fairly consistent pattern every time I've > listened to the Sox network this year. I'm told that some network > stations, like WTIC, have taken to inserting their own ID over the > network audio. > > Would it be too late to mention this to the Commission in conjunction > with WRKO's license renewal from 2005, which still has not been > granted? (Not that I'd want to make common cause with Ed Stolz....) > > -GAWollman > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 14:10:22 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:10:22 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E8C1E2.15042.1B0655@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989B9D10B@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com><09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com><003e01c927b8$36a860c0$a3f92240$@com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED939C@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <0BA9D678E7534282BB708EB69E490927@MainXPPro> >>If you are running multicast HD, do you have to identify HD-1, HD-2 & HD-3 or can you just ID them as WXYZ-HD (same ID on all 3 streams)?<< I don't believe WCRB identifies as "HD-1", just HD....since they don't have HD-2's or 3's on their signal. From francini@mac.com Mon Oct 6 14:10:36 2008 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:10:36 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810061029q20d711f0o9d9d162f436558b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770810061029q20d711f0o9d9d162f436558b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93F9B6DE-2289-4057-9F8A-3EF1C9316C6C@mac.com> Interestingly, I've noted that when watching any of those "out-of- market" sports channels on Comcast (if you buy the MLB Extra Innings, NHL Season Ticket, etc.) you get all the local (regional) ads as well. It's fascinating to see ads for other parts of the US and/or Canada... John On 6 Oct 2008, at 13:29, Kevin Vahey wrote: > It was even worse later where the ID ran at 11:22 PM. > > BTW does WRKO just send the Boston feed to the affiliates? The reason > I ask is MLB.com on their stream has all local WRKO breaks including > ID instead of a clean network feed. > > When Jane Day ran the Sox network out of WPLM Plymouth she made sure > that nothing WPLM related went on the bird. > > > > On 10/6/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> On my way home from Sunday dinner, I listened to the Sox game on the >> flagship for a little while. I noted that the Sox network is still >> not doing the legal ID break at the time that stations are legally >> required to identify (before the first commercial at the end of the >> half-inning). This time the 8pm network ID break didn't happen until >> 8:16. This has been a fairly consistent pattern every time I've >> listened to the Sox network this year. I'm told that some network >> stations, like WTIC, have taken to inserting their own ID over the >> network audio. >> >> Would it be too late to mention this to the Commission in conjunction >> with WRKO's license renewal from 2005, which still has not been >> granted? (Not that I'd want to make common cause with Ed Stolz....) >> >> -GAWollman >> >> From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 6 12:54:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:54:15 -0500 Subject: Eureka-147 In-Reply-To: <18665.25142.40671.45219@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com> <48E8C1E2.21461.1B080B@joe.attorneyross.com> <1A47D72AD8654A85B511E79E9DF959E6@SatU205S5044> <18665.25142.40671.45219@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770810060954s4164e2cco2b4013ad8f1e5627@mail.gmail.com> How has this format done with consumers in Canada? Did the government mandate all radios now sold must receive the signal. Can a resident of Buffalo legally buy a receiver that can receive digital signals from Canada. On the other hand can Canadians legally buy a receiver that picks up US HD programming? I am not certain the Buffalo HD signals on FM can even make it into Toronto (AM is another story) On the TV side I know that in Montreal the only way to get HDTV is via cable or satellite as it wasn't being offered over the air as of yet. Are their any plans to do so? On 10/5/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my >> guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I >> believe). > > In Canada. Other countries use different bands. The countries where > it's been successful generally use Band III (VHF-high), as those > countries have moved television to UHF. > >> (I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or >> orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various >> stations. > > It's OFDM. The Wikipedia article explains the precise technique (jump > to the "Technology" section -- most of the rest of the article was > written by British anti-Eureka anoraks). > > -GAWollman > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 15:48:57 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:48:57 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18666.27561.42854.966789@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Where does it say that a station has to ID before the first commercial at > the end of the half inning? As far as I know, it's only required to ID at > the first natural break in programming as close to the top of the hour as > possible. Which is, in the case of a baseball game, no later than the end of the half-inning during which the top of the hour falls, before the first commercial. A commercial break is a "natural break in programming". -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Oct 6 16:01:21 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:01:21 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break Message-ID: <20081006200121.B7DD0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Could be; on WBOQ you hear something like this: "(Dana Hersey) Howie Carr! Weekdays--" (-- WBOQ board op quickly inserts) "...North Shore 104.9" OR when WEEI is doing it: "(Jim Cutler) This is Wednesday night baseball--" or "(Jim Cutler) The Big Show with the Big O--" (board op quickly inserts) "North Shore 104.9" > BTW does WRKO just send the Boston feed to the affiliates? The reason > I ask is MLB.com on their stream has all local WRKO breaks including > ID instead of a clean network feed. From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 6 16:30:06 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:30:06 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <20081006200121.B7DD0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081006200121.B7DD0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <48EA754E.4090004@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Could be; on WBOQ you hear something like this: > "(Dana Hersey) Howie Carr! Weekdays--" > (-- WBOQ board op quickly inserts) > "...North Shore 104.9" > > OR when WEEI is doing it: > "(Jim Cutler) This is Wednesday night baseball--" or > "(Jim Cutler) The Big Show with the Big O--" > (board op quickly inserts) > "North Shore 104.9" Out here in the Sox Nation diaspora, where we have to depend on WTIC for our Sox radio fix, it's even worse. WTIC has long bristled at the "...on the Shaw's WRKO Red Sox Radio Network" tag going into the break, so it used to cover it with "on WTIC Hartford." Except that the board op in Hartford almost never catches the cue right on time, especially when it's Joe C. rushing into the break, so it would sound like, "After 8, it's Angels 4, Sox 4, on the ShaOn WTIC Hartford." Once Shaw's started sponsoring the network, they didn't want their credit covered up, so there's now a custom cue for WTIC that says "on the Shaw's Red Sox Radio Network," with no mention of WRKO or WEEI. But it still tends to get hit late. There's got to be a cleaner way... s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Oct 6 16:06:48 2008 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:06:48 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <20081006200121.B7DD0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <31799AA031EC4983B2ED56139BC79FFB@DHPP0DB1> > Could be; on WBOQ you hear something like this: > "(Dana Hersey) Howie Carr! Weekdays--" > (-- WBOQ board op quickly inserts) > "...North Shore 104.9" > > OR when WEEI is doing it: > "(Jim Cutler) This is Wednesday night baseball--" or > "(Jim Cutler) The Big Show with the Big O--" > (board op quickly inserts) > "North Shore 104.9" > > > BTW does WRKO just send the Boston feed to the affiliates? The reason > > I ask is MLB.com on their stream has all local WRKO breaks including > > ID instead of a clean network feed. It seems like WBOQ is picking up a different feed than the rest of the network. I've heard other stations on the network miss their legal ID, and you'll just heard the roar of the crowd in the background where the ID should be. If WBOQ misses their ID, the WRKO/WEEI one is there. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 16:41:01 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:41:01 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <48EA754E.4090004@fybush.com> References: <20081006200121.B7DD0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> <48EA754E.4090004@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18666.30685.823536.209851@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Once Shaw's started sponsoring the network, they didn't want their > credit covered up, so there's now a custom cue for WTIC that says "on > the Shaw's Red Sox Radio Network," with no mention of WRKO or WEEI. But > it still tends to get hit late. > There's got to be a cleaner way... Obviously there is -- do it like the "real" networks do, with a clean feed on the bird and contact closures to run the local inserts. This is evidently something Entercom and the Sox don't see the value in paying for. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 6 13:24:17 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:24:17 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios to recieve HD & Satellite In-Reply-To: <18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com> <18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989FB6D37@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >> House Rep Markey has introduced bill HR 7157 to require all AM/FM radios > sold in the US to include HD and satellite. Here's the boost that HD need > to become viable. Lovely. I'm glad to see that Markey is continuing to do everything he can to earn my distrust. Sounds like it's time to write Another Letter.<< Markey is the chairman of the House committee that oversees telecommunications, and unfortunately that places him in the category of "knows just enough to be dangerous," not to mention "in someone's pocket." The NAB gave him a lot of money over the years, and this is a bill the NAB desperately wants, while the rest of the world ramps up its indifference to HD. The FCC considered such a move as a condition of permitting the Sirius-XM merger, and rejected it, so it looks like the NAB is trying to out-flank them. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:05:05 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> Where does it say that a station has to ID before the first commercial at the end of the half inning? As far as I know, it's only required to ID at the first natural break in programming as close to the top of the hour as possible. now, mind you, if there were breaks between, say 7:55 and *:05, theres no reason for them to wait till 8:16 to do it. Paul On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > On my way home from Sunday dinner, I listened to the Sox game on the > flagship for a little while. I noted that the Sox network is still > not doing the legal ID break at the time that stations are legally > required to identify (before the first commercial at the end of the > half-inning). This time the 8pm network ID break didn't happen until > 8:16. This has been a fairly consistent pattern every time I've > listened to the Sox network this year. I'm told that some network > stations, like WTIC, have taken to inserting their own ID over the > network audio. > > Would it be too late to mention this to the Commission in conjunction > with WRKO's license renewal from 2005, which still has not been > granted? (Not that I'd want to make common cause with Ed Stolz....) > > -GAWollman > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 17:28:40 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <18666.30685.823536.209851@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <763236.68118.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 10/6/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Once Shaw's started sponsoring the network, they > didn't want their > > credit covered up, so there's now a custom cue for > WTIC that says "on > > the Shaw's Red Sox Radio Network," with no > mention of WRKO or WEEI. But > > it still tends to get hit late. > > > There's got to be a cleaner way... > > Obviously there is -- do it like the "real" > networks do, with a clean > feed on the bird and contact closures to run the local > inserts. This > is evidently something Entercom and the Sox don't see > the value in > paying for. They don't even have a clean feed down the line for the WEEI network stations during normal programming. Their ad placement and timing (is it still called "traffic"?) is horrible. Try listening to transitions in and out of breaks on WEEI-FM. Or, even better, on WVEI-FM. It's a trainwreck sometimes, and Entercom has done nothing to make it better in the four years since putting sports on 103.7. From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 6 18:36:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:36:33 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EA92F1.3080709@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Where does it say that a station has to ID before the first commercial at > the end of the half inning? As far as I know, it's only required to ID at > the first natural break in programming as close to the top of the hour as > possible. > > now, mind you, if there were breaks between, say 7:55 and *:05, theres no > reason for them to wait till 8:16 to do it. Ever listen to a baseball game on the radio? The spot breaks, traditionally, come on the half innings (or on pitching changes) - and common sense (as well as some amount of Enforcement Bureau precedent) suggests that if you take a spot break after TOH without having done a legal ID, you've blown past the "first natural break in programming." WTIC, being WTIC, tends to run an ID right over the game if there hasn't been a break by :02 or so. It may be lacking in grace, but by god, they're not going to get fined for violating 47CFR73.1201! And by the way...none of these criticisms should be limited solely to the Crimson Hose. I've heard plenty of other baseball nets, both major and minor league, blow right past where a legal ID should be, too. s From paul@derrynh.net Mon Oct 6 18:19:08 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:19:08 -0400 Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGELyEA References: <200810050350.m953o7v9008237@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><0K8A004JU6EVML70@asmtp016.mac.com>AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGkLSEA AAAAAKzIYCv1fydAs9NmOyRStLGELyEA Message-ID: <008101c92801$8d840e50$a1c33e18@YOURA48F92F9EB> "Big, tricked-out" (name tag)...... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hopfgarten Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:00 AM To: 'Bill O'Neill'; 'Larry Weil' Cc: 'Boston radio e-mail list' Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 Whit apologies to Progressive dot com? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:52 PM To: Larry Weil Cc: Boston radio e-mail list Subject: [SPAM]Re: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 Larry Weil wrote: > There is no way to silence the alarm in the newsroom, Why not? Aren't big, tricked-out strobes sufficient for master control? Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Oct 6 19:04:39 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <48EA92F1.3080709@fybush.com> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> <48EA92F1.3080709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <18666.39303.927410.991781@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > And by the way...none of these criticisms should be limited solely to > the Crimson Hose. I've heard plenty of other baseball nets, both major > and minor league, blow right past where a legal ID should be, too. I thought it was supposed to be the Carmine Hose. Crimson Hose conjure up a rather different mental image. Did any of the current Sox players go to Alabama or Harvard? In any case, the criticism, such as it is, is not that the Sox network occasionally misses an ID break, but that they consistently do so, by a quarter of an hour or more. On occasions past I've noted them failing to ID through not one but *two* spot packages. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 18:33:18 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Woody Woodland lands at WCAP Message-ID: <281726.59984.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The recently "fired" from WSMN Nashua NH 1590AM, Woody Woodland, appears to have landed at WCAP 980AM Lowell MA. I heard this afternoon that he will have the 1:00pm to 3:00pm timeslot starting Tuesday. I'm guessing it's only on Tuesday's for now. John B Derry NH From bill.smith@comcast.net Mon Oct 6 19:34:32 2008 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:34:32 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20810061634k25d1a2cancda84e08f74b1791@mail.gmail.com> Actually they weren't fire alarms. It was the Great Blue Hill volcano alarm. From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 6 19:48:25 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:48:25 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <3ffa0ce20810061634k25d1a2cancda84e08f74b1791@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ffa0ce20810061634k25d1a2cancda84e08f74b1791@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EAA3C9.8000202@fybush.com> Bill Smith wrote: > Actually they weren't fire alarms. It was the Great Blue Hill volcano > alarm. > Can I nominate this one for "post of the month" award? :-) s From markwats@comcast.net Mon Oct 6 19:47:08 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:47:08 -0400 Subject: Woody Woodland lands at WCAP References: <281726.59984.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008901c9280d$da1a6aa0$0302a8c0@Mark> John Bolduc wrote: > The recently "fired" from WSMN Nashua NH 1590AM, >Woody Woodland, appears > to have landed at WCAP >980AM Lowell MA. I heard this afternoon that he > will have >the 1:00pm to 3:00pm timeslot starting Tuesday. I'm >guessing > it's only on Tuesday's for now. Woody Woodland will air every Tuesday. His show will focus on the happenings, political and otherwise, in Southern NH. WCAP has other weekly shows in the 1 to 3 PM slot, Monica Collins, former Boston Herald media critic has gone to the dogs. Her "Dog Talk" radio show airs every Wed. She also writes a "Dog Talk" column that appears in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune. Collectibles and antique expert Gary Summers airs Thursdays. Also, another new to WCAP show premiered tonight, the "J-Team Radio Show" will air every Monday night from 6:30 to 8PM, and Sundays from 10AM to Noon. This is a sports talk show that until recently aired on WCCM Salem NH, according to the show's website http://www.jteamradio.com/ Mark Watson From billohno@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 20:21:45 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:21:45 -0400 Subject: Fire alarms going off at Ch 7 In-Reply-To: <48EAA3C9.8000202@fybush.com> References: <3ffa0ce20810061634k25d1a2cancda84e08f74b1791@mail.gmail.com> <48EAA3C9.8000202@fybush.com> Message-ID: <48EAAB99.5080904@gmail.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Bill Smith wrote: >> Actually they weren't fire alarms. It was the Great Blue Hill volcano >> alarm. >> > > Can I nominate this one for "post of the month" award? :-) > > s > When it comes to Smither you ain't seen nothin' yet. Bill O' -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Oct 6 22:52:12 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:52:12 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <18666.27561.42854.966789@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18666.17673.537468.418601@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810061205j3714ce04xb2379ade88d9d34c@mail.gmail.com> <18666.27561.42854.966789@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <48EACEDC.2090008@ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Which is, in the case of a baseball game, no later than the end of the > half-inning during which the top of the hour falls, before the first > commercial. A commercial break is a "natural break in programming". > They must be listening. They IDed @ 10:02 tonight. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 6 23:30:56 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:30:56 -0400 Subject: Woody Woodland lands at WCAP References: <281726.59984.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008901c9280d$da1a6aa0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: Some years ago, Summers did a Saturday or Sunday morning call-in show on collectibles on WBIX. (I think the program began on 1060 when it had the WMEX calls and continued after the calls changed to WBIX.) I assume the program was leased time because that's what most of the 1060 programs have been (at least on weekends) ever since Alex Langer reclaimed the frequency from the dust bin of Boston radio history. So is WCAP now also doing leased time? Would make a lot of sense, provided that the program producers are successful at selling time on their own shows. IIRC, Summers program always had a full load of spots from antiques dealers and organizers of traveling antiques shows and fairs. Maybe pet care and pet supply dealers constitute another source of such advertising. And if WCAP's own sales force can't sell enough spots in southern NH to sell out a two-hour-a week show on a signal that covers southern NH very well during the day, the right program host ought to be able to do so. Seems to me I've heard Sam Poulten, who is a part owner of WCAP, doing air shifts on the station. I assume he still has a real-estate business in the Merrimac Valley. I didn't listen carefully enough to figure out whether Sam was talking about houses he had for sale, but wouldn't it make sense for him to do a leased-time real estate show on the station he owns a piece of (take the money from one pocket and put it in the other)? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Woody Woodland lands at WCAP > John Bolduc wrote: > > >> The recently "fired" from WSMN Nashua NH 1590AM, >Woody Woodland, >> appears to have landed at WCAP >980AM Lowell MA. I heard this >> afternoon that he will have >the 1:00pm to 3:00pm timeslot starting >> Tuesday. I'm >guessing it's only on Tuesday's for now. > > Woody Woodland will air every Tuesday. His show will focus on the > happenings, political and otherwise, in Southern NH. WCAP has other > weekly shows in the 1 to 3 PM slot, Monica Collins, former Boston > Herald media critic has gone to the dogs. Her "Dog Talk" radio show > airs every Wed. She also writes a "Dog Talk" column that appears in > the Lawrence Eagle Tribune. Collectibles and antique expert Gary > Summers airs Thursdays. > > Also, another new to WCAP show premiered tonight, the "J-Team Radio > Show" will air every Monday night from 6:30 to 8PM, and Sundays from > 10AM to Noon. This is a sports talk show that until recently aired > on WCCM Salem NH, according to the show's website > http://www.jteamradio.com/ > > Mark Watson > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 7 00:23:01 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:23:01 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... Message-ID: <000301c92834$6b8e7b40$42ab71c0$@net> >Why WDRC-FM-HD1 Because there is a WDRC-FM-HD2. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Oct 7 00:29:44 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:29:44 -0400 Subject: Letter/number nicknames, and "rounding off"... In-Reply-To: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> References: <20081003203308.0A530CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com>, <48E957B8.840.264517A@joe.attorneyross.com>, <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989ED927F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <48EAAD78.3063.77A5F1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Oct 2008 at 7:35, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Are you sure WFCR is running HD, and if so, are you sure they're not > ID'ing as WFCR, WFCR-HD1 on the air (remember there's no legal ID > requirement for online stations)? What I know is that I listen to them online in my office, both the analog and the HD2 channel. I also listen sometimes on my car radio when I'm in Western Massachusetts. When I'm in my office, at 4:00, when the analog channel stops playing classical music and goes to All Things Considered, I change to the HD2, which starts doing classical music at that time. So far as I can tell, there is no difference between their analog channel over the air and its streaming version. I'll try to pay attention to the ID and see if I'm remembering wrong, but it's my best recollection that the analog channel IDs simply as WFCR (and its various relays in Western Massachusetts). They probably also mention Web streaming. The HD2 channel IDs as WFCR- HD2. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 01:03:49 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:03:49 -0400 Subject: Rep Markey introduces bill (HR7157) to require all radios torecieve HD & Satellite References: <005e01c927b9$3455efd0$9d01cf70$@com><18666.13507.851315.826375@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80989FB6D37@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <911BBBF469C84034BF0E57846925E09D@MainXPPro> >>Lovely. I'm glad to see that Markey is continuing to do everything he can to earn my distrust. Sounds like it's time to write Another Letter.<< >> Markey is the chairman of the House committee that oversees >> telecommunications, >> and unfortunately that places him in the category of "knows just enough >> to be dangerous,"... He knows about as much about communications, as Barney Frank knows about the world of finance. From bill.smith@comcast.net Tue Oct 7 02:10:55 2008 From: bill.smith@comcast.net (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 02:10:55 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break Message-ID: <3ffa0ce20810062310w9db0ea2jb5911c1e486f07cb@mail.gmail.com> WEEI has serious and repeated continuity problems, no doubt caused by sticking an understaffed department with responsibilities for multiple stations and multiple networks. The number of outdated spots -- including live reads -- that make air staggers the imagination, but given the workload that first American Radio and now Entercom piled on what they consider a non-revenue-producing function, they are clearly performing a daily miracle just getting the logs out. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 09:42:57 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Paul Harvey now on WCAP 980AM Lowell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <171138.16677.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just heard the premiere of the "Paul Harvey Show" on WCAP 980AM Lowell from 9:30 to 9:40. It wasn't Paul Harvey doing the commentary, I suspect it was his son or some other semi-permanent fill in. Paul did do a recorded advertisement. It didn't seem to have the same format that I recall from years past with his news and commentary. I wonder if WCAP will carry the rest of the package and have the "Rest of the Story". John B (H)Derry NH (W) Chelmsford MA From radio88@radio88.net Tue Oct 7 11:17:41 2008 From: radio88@radio88.net (Todd Glickman) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:17:41 -0400 Subject: WCBS (NYC) Changes their IDs (again) to incorporate -FM-HD3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an update on how WCBS in NYC is now handling their legal IDs. WCBS 880 AM in NYC plays its TOH-ID as part of a headlines music bed starting at :59:10. Up until last week, it was: "News, traffic, and weather - on-air and on-line - we are Newsradio - WCBS and WCBS-HD, New York." (anchor reads headlines with music under until :59:59 for CBS network join). As of this week, the TOH-ID has reverted to: "News, traffic, and weather - on-air and on-line - we are Newsradio - WCBS, New York." (the -HD reference has been dropped, and the anchor reads headlines with music under until :59:59 for CBS network join). To accomodate the HDs, they've now added a phrase to the voicer that plays immediately following the CBS network news at :04:00 or :05:00: "Live from [Studio 8A (or 8B) at] the world headquarters of CBS News in New York City, we are Newsradio - WCBS-HD and WCBS-FM-HD3, New York." So.... they take care of the AM legal ID at 50 seconds before the hour, and the -HD and FM-HD3 ID four or five minutes after the hour. You can hear it on-line at: http://player.play.it/player/player.html?id=91&onestat=wcbs -Todd ========================== Todd Glickman Certified Broadcast Meteorologist WCBS Newsradio-880 New York City, NY Email: radio88@radio88.net http://www.radioweather.net Todd Glickman '77 Associate Director, Office of Corporate Relations Massachusetts Institute of Technology, W98-400 600 Memorial Drive, 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: glickman@mit.edu Phone: (617) 452-2457 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Oct 7 10:59:08 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:59:08 -0500 Subject: Paul Harvey now on WCAP 980AM Lowell In-Reply-To: <171138.16677.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <171138.16677.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810070759g172b68a9ne2fff7794c242969@mail.gmail.com> You probably heard legendary Dallas radio personality Ron Chapman who tries too hard to sound alot like Paul Harvey. He's been doing most of Paul Harvey's The Rest Of The Story & Paul Harvey News. Paul himself does 2 days during the week and Saturdays I believe. Paul On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, John Bolduc wrote: > I just heard the premiere of the "Paul Harvey Show" on WCAP 980AM Lowell > from 9:30 to 9:40. It wasn't Paul Harvey doing the commentary, I suspect it > was his son or some other semi-permanent fill in. Paul did do a recorded > advertisement. It didn't seem to have the same format that I recall from > years past with his news and commentary. I wonder if WCAP will carry the > rest of the package and have the "Rest of the Story". > > > > John B > (H)Derry NH > (W) Chelmsford MA > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 12:59:36 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WCBS (NYC) Changes their IDs (again) to incorporate -FM-HD3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <630238.1974.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Todd Glickman wrote: > > So.... they take care of the AM legal ID at 50 seconds > before the > hour, and the -HD and FM-HD3 ID four or five minutes after > the hour. > You can hear it on-line at: > http://player.play.it/player/player.html?id=91&onestat=wcbs > It's been my understanding that the HD, for AM, and HD-1, for FM is now part of the legal ID. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Oct 8 16:30:20 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:30:20 -0500 Subject: Former Boston Radio Station Owner Makes News Again Message-ID: <20081008203020.DF56A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> The former owner of a Boston-area radio station is in the news right now, for all the wrong reasons. A person going by the name "Andy Martin" was a guest on a Fox News Channel show, "Sean Hannity's America". On this "fair and balanced" network, Mr. "Martin" was given ample free rein to impugn Senator Obama, which of course is his right. Mr. Hannity, who can't stop commenting on the Senator's past associations, let pass Mr. "Martin's" own life story. This link details some of the problem areas in his curriculum vitae: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129319.html The following story on Scott's NERW details some of Mr. "Martin's" misadventures hereabouts: (WARNING...this link contains msg) http://lists.bostonradio.org/bri/v04/msg02889.html Scott includes a link to "Andy Martin's" website that does not include a reference to his radio-station-owning tenure in Boston. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Oct 8 21:19:14 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:19:14 -0400 Subject: Former Boston Radio Station Owner Makes News Again References: <20081008203020.DF56A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: You couldn't have let us know that the gentleman is Anthony Martin-Trigona disgraced one-time owner of WDLW 1330 here (now WRCA) and stations in Ohio as well, I believe. Wasn't one of the Ohio stations the famous WGTZ (FM) in Eaton OH, a Dayton suburb? WGTZ is perhaps best known among radio buffs for the legal ID that best disguised a suburban CoL: "WGTZ, eatin' Dayton alive." (Get it? eatin' Dayton=Eaton-Dayton;>( ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Former Boston Radio Station Owner Makes News Again The former owner of a Boston-area radio station is in the news right now, for all the wrong reasons. A person going by the name "Andy Martin" was a guest on a Fox News Channel show, "Sean Hannity's America". On this "fair and balanced" network, Mr. "Martin" was given ample free rein to impugn Senator Obama, which of course is his right. Mr. Hannity, who can't stop commenting on the Senator's past associations, let pass Mr. "Martin's" own life story. This link details some of the problem areas in his curriculum vitae: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129319.html The following story on Scott's NERW details some of Mr. "Martin's" misadventures hereabouts: (WARNING...this link contains msg) http://lists.bostonradio.org/bri/v04/msg02889.html Scott includes a link to "Andy Martin's" website that does not include a reference to his radio-station-owning tenure in Boston. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From blainethompson@gmail.com Wed Oct 8 21:28:30 2008 From: blainethompson@gmail.com (Blaine Thompson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:28:30 -0400 Subject: Former Boston Radio Station Owner Makes News Again In-Reply-To: References: <20081008203020.DF56A47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7bded94e0810081828u5a0db046nf3fd4f3dcdaa8473@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WGTZ is perhaps best known among radio buffs for the legal ID that best > disguised a suburban CoL: "WGTZ, eatin' Dayton alive." (Get it? eatin' > Dayton=Eaton-Dayton;>( > Later known as "Eaton Dayton and Springfield Alive" Exhibit A: Mr. Eubanks. http://www.tophour.com/audio/Dayton%20OH/fm0929_1996-06_wgtz_bthompson.mp3 Classic. - Blaine From audiskman@yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 21:22:30 2008 From: audiskman@yahoo.com (Matt S.) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break Message-ID: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > > When Jane Day ran the Sox network out of WPLM Plymouth she > made sure > that nothing WPLM related went on the bird. She did? LOL ! I used to run the board during the games on WKBR Manchester in the mid 80s and WPLM was not on the bird....it was 3.5 phone lines and it was just the rebroadcast WPLM signal. Everything went down the line and since they often would not follow the log they sent affiliates I would often get caught off guard and a local WPLM ID or spot would get on the air in Manchester. One word described the Red Sox network in the 80s...clutter@#$%. One day back in 1985 the line went dead and I called WPLM and they got us back on by just putting their phone on hold and I put the studio phone on the air at WKBR. After less than one inning I heard click ! then this voice said "Hello, hello ..Who left this (expletive) phone on hold? I went to music for the rest of the afternoon after calling the PD and GM and telling them what happened. By the way I only got one complaint from a listener who said he was listening in the car with his son and wanted to know why someone swore on the air and the game stopped being broadcast. I guess the 1985 Sox on the radio was not a ratings grabber in New Hampshire. Then there's the story of how at another Merrimack valley station the owner refused to pay for the phone line from WPLM and they would pick the games up on a FM boom box perched on top of an equipment rack. The signal would fade during hot summer nights when tropo interference would clobber the 99.1 signal. Mark..chime in here and tell us more stories...LOL. Matt Stevens (now out of the biz except for weekends at WZID and now in Master Control at Comcast Spotlight ad insertion in Wellesley. In cable, NESN does a pretty good job sending us the "tones" during the 3rd and 6th inning breaks that trigger local spot insertion in all the cable headends.) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:59:19 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:59:19 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810081959xed1497ew9327ffa2e355e44c@mail.gmail.com> I remember watching hockey or baseball on TV back in Connecticut when I was younger and wondering what those tones were for, because they'd fire off while going into a break but nothing happened. Paul On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Matt S. wrote: > > > Matt Stevens > (now out of the biz except for weekends at WZID and now in Master Control > at Comcast Spotlight ad insertion in Wellesley. In cable, NESN does a pretty > good job sending us the "tones" during the 3rd and 6th inning breaks that > trigger local spot insertion in all the cable headends.) > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Oct 8 21:51:46 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810081851t6995a097o7ba54432a07ee3aa@mail.gmail.com> It may have been as late as 1986 that WPLM finally went on the bird piggybacking on with NESN on Satcom. Where WPLM really cut corners was on Bruins home games not springing for a high quality line. WPLM came to be because Haywood Sullivan was a golf buddy of the owner. The end came when WHDH could not carry the Ken Coleman feed of the 86 World Series as they were not the flagship. WPLM also in those days played a song written by Coleman titled Take Me Out To Old Fenway recorded by long time Red Sox fan Suzyn Waldman. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Oct 9 20:04:56 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:04:56 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark> Matt Stevens wrote: > Then there's the story of how at another Merrimack valley >station the > owner refused to pay for the phone line from >WPLM and they would pick the > games up on a FM boom >box perched on top of an equipment rack. The signal > would >fade during hot summer nights when tropo interference >would > clobber the 99.1 signal. Mark..chime in here and tell >us more > stories...LOL. As requested, I will chime in. Yes it's true, WHAV in Haverhill would use a boom box perched atop the equipment rack just outside the studio tuned to 99.1 to pick up Red Sox & Bruins games. The radio stayed on 24/7, and was always patched in to the board so one could listen to WPLM in cue. IIRC weeknights around 6:30 back in that time, right before the Sox pre-game, WPLM would air a nightly poetry reading by Ken Coleman. I also listened in cue one early morning while wrapping up an overnight shift (5:30ish) and heard the reciting of the Daily Rosary. Yes it is also true that the signal would drift and flutter when a plane would fly over the building and on one warm Summer night during my watch the sounds of Ken Coleman were overtaken by the sounds of rock from co-channel WPLR New Haven. I called WPLM to get the game feed via the phone at that point. And I can also confirm that WPLM didn't follow the log sent to the affiliates. They would play local spots or promos in slots the log indicated would be a network spot. Can't recall how many times I had to quickly pot down the feed so WHAV listeners wouldn't hear a promo for "Dixieland In The Morning" or a WPLM jingle. Mark Watson From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Oct 9 20:47:42 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:47:42 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810091747j103d5a7bi3b450379a8c8ff1a@mail.gmail.com> That stuff sounds so trypical of small town radio... and Im sure Matt can tell us even more stories.. I know I've heard tons of him over the years! Paul On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Matt Stevens wrote: > > Then there's the story of how at another Merrimack valley >station the >> owner refused to pay for the phone line from >WPLM and they would pick the >> games up on a FM boom >box perched on top of an equipment rack. The signal >> would >fade during hot summer nights when tropo interference >would clobber >> the 99.1 signal. Mark..chime in here and tell >us more stories...LOL. >> > > As requested, I will chime in. Yes it's true, WHAV in Haverhill would use > a boom box perched atop the equipment rack just outside the studio tuned to > 99.1 to pick up Red Sox & Bruins games. The radio stayed on 24/7, and was > always patched in to the board so one could listen to WPLM in cue. IIRC > weeknights around 6:30 back in that time, right before the Sox pre-game, > WPLM would air a nightly poetry reading by Ken Coleman. I also listened in > cue one early morning while wrapping up an overnight shift (5:30ish) and > heard the reciting of the Daily Rosary. Yes it is also true that the signal > would drift and flutter when a plane would fly over the building and on one > warm Summer night during my watch the sounds of Ken Coleman were overtaken > by the sounds of rock from co-channel WPLR New Haven. I called WPLM to get > the game feed via the phone at that point. > > And I can also confirm that WPLM didn't follow the log sent to the > affiliates. They would play local spots or promos in slots the log indicated > would be a network spot. Can't recall how many times I had to quickly pot > down the feed so WHAV listeners wouldn't hear a promo for "Dixieland In The > Morning" or a WPLM jingle. > > Mark Watson > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Oct 9 22:47:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:47:02 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770810091947y5ce6a916w76dc4e11e18f9a9b@mail.gmail.com> In fairness WPLM followed in the footsteps of WMEX/WITS which made a complete mess of the Red Sox Network. Up until 1975 the network ws run by WHDH who then subcontracted the network infrastructure with Hughes Sports Network who established a microwave setup. I remember WGIR was a major relay to points north. That fell apart at the end of the 1975 regular season when the Red Sox moved to WMEX for the playoffs after a bitter dispute with the new owners of WHDH. The changeover was a disaster. WHDH always had a on site engineer for both home and away games (Al Walker) and took pride that they never lost a signal. It took WMEX all of 3 games to do so and Ned Martin had to do the final inning from Oakland via phone. WMEX even wanted the announcers to run their own board at the park until IBEW said no. The next season the Red Sox discovered WMEX had problems with signal at night and WMEX leased time on WWEL. When that signal became KISS108 they moved to WPLM and when WITS went bellyup WPLM took over. From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Oct 9 19:28:32 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:28:32 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48ee93bb.8602be0a.4c8c.2421@mx.google.com> At 09:22 PM 10/8/2008, Matt S. wrote: > >She did? LOL ! I used to run the board during the games on WKBR >Manchester in the mid 80s and WPLM was not on the bird....it was 3.5 >phone lines and it was just the rebroadcast WPLM signal. Everything >went down the line and since they often would not follow the log >they sent affiliates I would often get caught off guard and a local >WPLM ID or spot would get on the air in Manchester. One word >described the Red Sox network in the 80s...clutter@#$%. Wasn't WPLM the Bruins' flagship around that time too? I know they were in the late 80s, and the network feed was right off the board. The upside was that at least there wasn't any dead air if you were in the can or something when the break hit. The downside was that they used the same cue for both local and network spots, so if you weren't following closely you'd get out of sync with your breaks. Bruins games were on satellite by the late 80s, and it was the worst feed you could imagine. Started out early in the season sounding OK, but by mid-season the audio was so noisy as to be almost unlistenable. More than once did I have to call WPLM & get a phone feed. The GM just loved those phone bills...probably more than we billed for the game. From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 08:33:45 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break Message-ID: <317586.84588.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin wrote: >The next season the Red Sox discovered WMEX had problems with signal >at night and WMEX leased time on WWEL. When that signal became KISS108 >they moved to WPLM and when WITS went bellyup WPLM took over. I actually started listening to the Sox on radio whe they were on WWEL. I got very upset when they flipped to KISS108 and to this day cannot listen to that staion. They took getting a listenable signal at night for Sox games away from me! That's when I got into AM and started to find other teams - Mets, Yankees, Pirates, Indians and Expos (in French). From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Oct 10 10:36:58 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:36:58 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break References: <317586.84588.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D7061C1F8654753A58B67A108A6A3B1@SatU205S5044> At one point, the Sox night games were on 1330 (WDLW) as well as on 1510. This had to be before 1981 because 1981 was the year that 1510 (I think it was WITS by then) turned on its new 50 kW-U signal from 411 Waveley Oaks Rd on the east edge of Waltham. WDLW transmitted from 750 South St on the west side of Waltham and though there was a deep null to the west in the 1510 night pattern, the 1510 signal did reach South St, so there was no need for a second affiliate in Waltham. Actually, the combination of the old 5-kW 1510 night signal from Squantum and the WDLW signal covered the market pretty well inside 128, even after the new State St South office complex, just west of the old 1510 site in Quincy, totally decimated the 1510 night signal to the west of the Squantum site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Sox network still way late with legal ID break > Kevin wrote: > >>The next season the Red Sox discovered WMEX had problems with signal >>at night and WMEX leased time on WWEL. When that signal became >>KISS108 >>they moved to WPLM and when WITS went bellyup WPLM took over. > > I actually started listening to the Sox on radio whe they were on > WWEL. I got very upset when they flipped to KISS108 and to this day > cannot listen to that staion. They took getting a listenable signal > at night for Sox games away from me! That's when I got into AM and > started to find other teams - Mets, Yankees, Pirates, Indians and > Expos (in French). > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Oct 10 11:14:05 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:14:05 -0500 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <6D7061C1F8654753A58B67A108A6A3B1@SatU205S5044> References: <317586.84588.qm@web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6D7061C1F8654753A58B67A108A6A3B1@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770810100814o3b38b957vb74d72aef752608@mail.gmail.com> WDLW was the overflow outlet for WITS in the spring back in the days when the Bruins ran deep into the playoffs. WITS starting testing in Waltham in the winter of 1980 and I remember well hearing Glenn Ordway clear as a bell on my phone in North Cambridge. WITS was desperate at that point to keep the Sox contract but to do so they had to provide a night signal that could be heard in both Belmont ( where Dick O'Connell lived ) and Westwood ( where John Harrington lived ) Belmont of course was no problem but Westwood actually became worse. The one thing that has never come out is what a John Blair exec said to Dick O'Connell to enrage him enough to sever ties with WHDH after the 1975 regular season. The Red Sox never had a formal contract with the Herald-Traveler just the old gentlemen agreement between Yawkey and the HT which was always done by handshake. The big winner in the switchover was Jess Cain who WMEX made a huge push to sign before the 1976 season but Blair signed Jess for huge money to keep him on 850 and WMEX then countered with Alan Dary as MEX morphed into the MOR format that HDH had abandoned in favor of soft Top 40. From audiskman@yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 23:39:27 2008 From: audiskman@yahoo.com (Matt S.) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810081959xed1497ew9327ffa2e355e44c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <784938.59662.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The tones used to be audible back in the day. DTMF tones like from a telephone but now they are actually data packets embedded into the digital stream from the networks. The digital inserters at the headends called a "DM" actually "splice" the digital stream from the local spots into the program stream from the network that then continues out to your digital cable box. If you don't use a digital cable box the stream is decoded and goes through an old fashioned modulator then out to your TV. Not too long ago the headends had systems not unlike radio automation systems. The program feed from the satellite receiver went into a switch, a video card from the playback computer would send the video/audio from the spot and a switch would put it on the air. Multiply this by 40 or so channels that have local spots inserted and this was a video card and switch for each channel. If you heard tones and no local spots watching years ago, it could have simply been that your local cable system did not sell local spots on that break or at all. You would still see fill spots/PSA/Promos etc. from the TV network though. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Subject: Re: Sox network still way late with legal ID break > To: audiskman@yahoo.com > Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" , "Kevin Vahey" > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:59 PM > I remember watching hockey or baseball on TV back in > Connecticut when I was > younger and wondering what those tones were for, because > they'd fire off > while going into a break but nothing happened. > > Paul > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Matt S. > wrote: > > > > > > > Matt Stevens > > (now out of the biz except for weekends at WZID and > now in Master Control > > at Comcast Spotlight ad insertion in Wellesley. In > cable, NESN does a pretty > > good job sending us the "tones" during the > 3rd and 6th inning breaks that > > trigger local spot insertion in all the cable > headends.) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 10 23:53:53 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:53:53 -0400 Subject: Sox network still way late with legal ID break In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810091947y5ce6a916w76dc4e11e18f9a9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <710871.97155.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>, <005201c92a6b$d6acb5c0$0302a8c0@Mark>, <4fc429770810091947y5ce6a916w76dc4e11e18f9a9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EFEB11.5799.47BF10@joe.attorneyross.com> On 9 Oct 2008 at 21:47, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The changeover was a disaster. WHDH always had a on site engineer for > both home and away games (Al Walker) and took pride that they never > lost a signal. It took WMEX all of 3 games to do so and Ned Martin had > to do the final inning from Oakland via phone. > > WMEX even wanted the announcers to run their own board at the park > until IBEW said no. > > The next season the Red Sox discovered WMEX had problems with signal > at night and WMEX leased time on WWEL. When that signal became KISS108 > they moved to WPLM and when WITS went bellyup WPLM took over. It was about the same time that the televised games moved from channel 5 to channel 38. We lived in Bedford at the time, where neither WMEX/WITS nor channel 38 came in very well. My father, a really big Red Sox fan, gumbled about why a major-league baseball team should be dealing with minor-league stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 02:08:15 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:08:15 -0500 Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810102308w4cc4a072ofb2cbb881a083c37@mail.gmail.com> Long time afternoon drive host at WDRC-FM Hartford, Doug Taylor was let go this week. Larry Wells moves to Afternoon Drive and overnight host Floyd Wright moves to Middays. Last week, while talking on the air about a BIG D Legends of Rock n Roll Concert, he referred to Gary Puckett by accident as Gary F&^kit. Could this be why he was let go? Just pure speculation on my part. Paul Walker From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 11 17:52:03 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:52:03 -0400 Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... References: <8bce0fe80810102308w4cc4a072ofb2cbb881a083c37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c92beb$9ad79b60$e2864c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Long time afternoon drive host at WDRC-FM Hartford, Doug Taylor was let go > this week. > > Larry Wells moves to Afternoon Drive and overnight host Floyd Wright moves > to Middays. > > Last week, while talking on the air about a BIG D Legends of Rock n Roll > Concert, he referred to Gary Puckett by accident as Gary F&^kit. > > Could this be why he was let go? Just pure speculation on my part. > > > Paul Walker > The Hartford Courant article today says it was a cost-cutting move, as Mary Jones, midday host on WDRC(AM), was also let go -- replaced by bird-fed Glenn Beck -- as was a personal assistant to AM morning host Brad Davis. Buckley Broadcasting is preparing for an extended economic downturn, according to DRC GM Eric Fahnoe. Howard From markwats@comcast.net Sun Oct 12 12:05:52 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:05:52 -0400 Subject: Comcast SportsNet Drops Bob Cousy From Celtics Telecasts Message-ID: <003801c92c84$6850f0d0$0302a8c0@Mark> Bob Cousy won't be back on Comcast SportsNet's Boston Celtics telecasts this season, thus ending Cousy's 34 years of involvement in Celtics TV broadcasts. For the past 9 years Cousy had only be working ten games a season as part of a "consultant contract" with the team. The Worcester Telegram reports that Cousy was informed of his dismissal via a phone call from a low level Comcast SportsNet executive. Link to the Teelgram article: http://www.telegram.com/article/20081010/NEWS/810100411/1116/NEWSREWIND The article also reports that Tom Heinsohn will only be working home games this season to avoid extended time away from his ill wife. Mark Watson From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 12 13:11:36 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:11:36 -0400 Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... Message-ID: <002801c92c8d$9fd99ee0$df8cdca0$@net> >The Hartford Courant article today says it was a cost-cutting move Addition off-air staffers were also let go on Friday. Full Hartford Courant story at http://www.courant.com/features/hc-nujava1011.artoct11-1,0,940505.column From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:27:00 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:27:00 -0500 Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... In-Reply-To: <3FF42ED57B8147199E8FBAF1D48967E1@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <8bce0fe80810102308w4cc4a072ofb2cbb881a083c37@mail.gmail.com> <3FF42ED57B8147199E8FBAF1D48967E1@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810121027l19ba37faodae334d6bbe3c848@mail.gmail.com> And I hadn't seen the article before I posted the supposed reason for his firing, so I apologize, as it was just a guess. Obviously, it was a cost cutting move, but some people are still going to say it was because of his on air slip up. I met Doug several years ago, when I was in middle school.. me and my mom did a Charity walk with him (forget what the charity was).. and we got to walk with him the entire time.. a very down to earth, easy guy to talk to... I wish him the best. Paul On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Mark Casey wrote: > The Hartford Courant reports that Doug, and Mary Jones of WDRC AM and > another staffer were "laid off" due to decreasing ad revenue in the > Hartford > market. Too bad, We enjoyed listening to Doug for quite a few years. He's > smooth, happy and entertaining. Hopefuly, the slip of the tonque wasn't the > reason for his demise a DRC. In fact that's one reason we listened to his > show, and to DRC in general; the lack of 'raunchiness'. But, even DRC plays > the popular 1970 selection by Free, "All Right Now" with its' " the > f^&*in' > rent" line > > Larry Wells replaces Doug, and Floyd Wright formerly with WWYZ, Country > 92.5, Waterbury-Hartford, and earlier with WKCI, KC-101, Hamden, CT, both > for many years, moves into Larry's mid-day shift > > Best wishes to Doug Taylor. We will miss your happy, upbeat voice. > > Mark Casey, K1MAP > near Springfield > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:08 AM > Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... > > > Long time afternoon drive host at WDRC-FM Hartford, Doug Taylor was let go > this week. > > Larry Wells moves to Afternoon Drive and overnight host Floyd Wright moves > to Middays. > > Last week, while talking on the air about a BIG D Legends of Rock n Roll > Concert, he referred to Gary Puckett by accident as Gary F&^kit. > > Could this be why he was let go? Just pure speculation on my part. > > > Paul Walker > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From map@mapinternet.com Sun Oct 12 12:55:21 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:55:21 -0400 Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... References: <8bce0fe80810102308w4cc4a072ofb2cbb881a083c37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FF42ED57B8147199E8FBAF1D48967E1@yourm3vezyx8af> The Hartford Courant reports that Doug, and Mary Jones of WDRC AM and another staffer were "laid off" due to decreasing ad revenue in the Hartford market. Too bad, We enjoyed listening to Doug for quite a few years. He's smooth, happy and entertaining. Hopefuly, the slip of the tonque wasn't the reason for his demise a DRC. In fact that's one reason we listened to his show, and to DRC in general; the lack of 'raunchiness'. But, even DRC plays the popular 1970 selection by Free, "All Right Now" with its' " the f^&*in' rent" line Larry Wells replaces Doug, and Floyd Wright formerly with WWYZ, Country 92.5, Waterbury-Hartford, and earlier with WKCI, KC-101, Hamden, CT, both for many years, moves into Larry's mid-day shift Best wishes to Doug Taylor. We will miss your happy, upbeat voice. Mark Casey, K1MAP near Springfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:08 AM Subject: Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford.... Long time afternoon drive host at WDRC-FM Hartford, Doug Taylor was let go this week. Larry Wells moves to Afternoon Drive and overnight host Floyd Wright moves to Middays. Last week, while talking on the air about a BIG D Legends of Rock n Roll Concert, he referred to Gary Puckett by accident as Gary F&^kit. Could this be why he was let go? Just pure speculation on my part. Paul Walker From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Oct 12 15:21:32 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:21:32 -0400 Subject: Lyric (was - Doug Taylor out at 102.9 DRC-FM in Hartford....) References: <8bce0fe80810102308w4cc4a072ofb2cbb881a083c37@mail.gmail.com> <3FF42ED57B8147199E8FBAF1D48967E1@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: Mark wrote - (snip) But, even DRC plays > the popular 1970 selection by Free, "All Right Now" with its' " the > f^&*in' > rent" line > Mark - the line is - "Let's move before they raise the parking rate." i suggest a visit to www.kissthisguy.com and you can possibly add to the litany of mis-heard lyrics. :-) --Chuck Igo From dave@skywaves.net Sun Oct 12 23:07:00 2008 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Eureka-147 References: <4fc429770810032331i5a65df78of2e72f96d4ee860b@mail.gmail.com><48E8C1E2.21461.1B080B@joe.attorneyross.com><1A47D72AD8654A85B511E79E9DF959E6@SatU205S5044><18665.25142.40671.45219@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770810060954s4164e2cco2b4013ad8f1e5627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1FAD8F04A40946EF9B2AC51B4014D4D0@skywaves.com> Eureka has been far from a resounding success. Recent "in the field" reports indicate that several Eureka channels in the UK have gone dark. Worldwide, sales of sole-purpose radio recievers of all types has absolutely tanked over the last five years. That includes analog AM, FM, AM/FM, and in Europe and Canada, digital receivers. In the US, satellite receivers have grown, but the re-up rate has been dismal. IBOC, or "HD Radio" set sales reached the one million milestone in the US this year, but there are something like 750 million analog receivers out there that must be replaced before IBOC digital-only transmission can take place here. OTOH, sales of personal music devices, including IPods, cellphones with MP3 capabilities, etc. have gone through the roof. The message is that radio reception, both analog and digital, must be included in ALL personal entertainment devices. -d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: ; "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Eureka-147 > > How has this format done with consumers in Canada? Did the government > mandate all radios now sold must receive the signal. Can a resident of > Buffalo legally buy a receiver that can receive digital signals from > Canada. > > On the other hand can Canadians legally buy a receiver that picks up > US HD programming? I am not certain the Buffalo HD signals on FM can > even make it into Toronto (AM is another story) > > On the TV side I know that in Montreal the only way to get HDTV is via > cable or satellite as it wasn't being offered over the air as of yet. > Are their any plans to do so? > > On 10/5/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> <> said: >> >>> Yes, Canada adopted the Eureka-147 system a number of years ago (my >>> guess, at least 10 years). Eureka-147 uses L-Band (around 1.4 GHz, I >>> believe). >> >> In Canada. Other countries use different bands. The countries where >> it's been successful generally use Band III (VHF-high), as those >> countries have moved television to UHF. >> >>> (I don't know whether it's frequency division, time division, or >>> orthogonal frequency division) divides the signal among the various >>> stations. >> >> It's OFDM. The Wikipedia article explains the precise technique (jump >> to the "Technology" section -- most of the rest of the article was >> written by British anti-Eureka anoraks). >> >> -GAWollman >> >> > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 08:09:12 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 Message-ID: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Because of the presidential debate on Wednesday WBZ has shifted the Bruins game that night to Oldies 103.3.? Just wondering - trial balloon for things to come? They could have just as easily picked one of the other FMs. From markwats@comcast.net Mon Oct 13 08:18:02 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:18:02 -0400 Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 References: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010b01c92d2d$bf686d40$0302a8c0@Mark> Maureen Carney wrote: >Because of the presidential debate on Wednesday WBZ has shifted the Bruins >game that night to Oldies 103.3. Just wondering - trial balloon for things >to come? They could have just as easily picked one of the other FMs. Bruins games have been shifted to Oldies 103.3 in the past, IIRC, on election nights or for debates in past years. I too wonder why management chose WODS instead of their other FM's (WBMX, WBCN, WZLX) to carry the Bruins games when WBZ is carrying debates/election night coverage. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Oct 13 10:46:37 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:46:37 -0400 Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 References: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <010b01c92d2d$bf686d40$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <6F936643BFD64A239D54780B525E09C6@SatU205S5044> Don't you suppose that management picked the FM with the oldest-skewing audience on the theory that older listeners would be the most likely to want to hear the game in lieu of music and a lot of them would want to hear the debate and so would tune to the AM, where the game would normally be heard? Therefore, moving the game to 103.3 would inconvenience the smallest number of listeners. Also, by now, moving the Bruins to 103.3 is kind of a no-brainer because they have moved Bruins games there enough times that a lot of people kind of expect them to be moved there, rather than to any of the other FMs. I know the reasoning is kind of convoluted but you tell me whether it makes sense to you. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Maureen Carney" ; "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 > Maureen Carney wrote: > >>Because of the presidential debate on Wednesday WBZ has shifted the >>Bruins game that night to Oldies 103.3. Just wondering - trial >>balloon for things to come? They could have just as easily picked >>one of the other FMs. > > Bruins games have been shifted to Oldies 103.3 in the past, IIRC, > on election nights or for debates in past years. I too wonder why > management chose WODS instead of their other FM's (WBMX, WBCN, WZLX) > to carry the Bruins games when WBZ is carrying debates/election > night coverage. > > Mark Watson > > > > > From rbello@belloassoc.com Mon Oct 13 12:11:08 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:11:08 -0400 Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 In-Reply-To: <010b01c92d2d$bf686d40$0302a8c0@Mark> References: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <010b01c92d2d$bf686d40$0302a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081013121000.03c4f008@belloassoc.com> At 08:18 AM 10/13/2008, Mark Watson wrote: >Maureen Carney wrote: > >>Because of the presidential debate on Wednesday WBZ has shifted the >>Bruins game that night to Oldies 103.3. Just wondering - trial >>balloon for things to come? They could have just as easily picked >>one of the other FMs. > > Bruins games have been shifted to Oldies 103.3 in the past, IIRC, > on election nights or for debates in past years. I too wonder why > management chose WODS instead of their other FM's (WBMX, WBCN, > WZLX) to carry the Bruins games when WBZ is carrying > debates/election night coverage. > >Mark Watson Maybe because both stations promote each other ? From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 14:48:11 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Derry AM1700 shuts down Message-ID: <618364.35173.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the Radio Derry site www.radioderry.com Radio Derry has ceased broadcasting as of October 4th, 2008. With many media alternatives, the decision was made to shut down. Thank you to the many sponsors and listeners who supported Radio Derry AM 1700 since the spring of 2006. - - I'm sorry to see this station leave. Even though it only had a range of a couple of miles, it had a button on my car radio and could be heard thoughout downtown and over to Interstate 93. A very well produced loop of national and local news, information and weather. Current time and temperature too. Oh well, no more hearing snappy ads for Rig-a-Toni's Restaurant. Down the dial a bit, a licensed station at 1610AM is run by Derry's Emergency management. Using a boring loop, but readily updated when bad weather or current events dictate an update in the loop. Range is about 4-6 miles, so I can get this station at home on the ourskirts of Derry. John B From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 17:26:19 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:26:19 -0400 Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 References: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com><010b01c92d2d$bf686d40$0302a8c0@Mark> <6F936643BFD64A239D54780B525E09C6@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <39C173273DD842DFA3B84250E1AB3D39@MainXPPro> > Don't you suppose that management picked the FM with the > oldest-skewing audience on the theory that older listeners would be > the most likely to want to hear the game in lieu of music and a lot of > them would want to hear the debate and so would tune to the AM, where > the game would normally be heard? I think they picked the FM with the least amount of revenue displacement. It's all about money. From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 13 13:37:31 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:37:31 -0400 Subject: "Andy Martin" in the news again Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098ACB0725@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Everyone's favorite failed radio-station owner is in the news again, this time in The New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?ref=politics Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Oct 14 01:44:53 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0400 Subject: Bruins game shifted to 103.3 In-Reply-To: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <652378.67508.qm@web53309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F3F995.18359.AC7E91@joe.attorneyross.com> On 13 Oct 2008 at 5:09, Maureen Carney wrote: > Because of the presidential debate on Wednesday WBZ has shifted the > Bruins game that night to Oldies 103.3.? Just wondering - trial > balloon for things to come? They could have just as easily picked one > of the other FMs. And if they had picked another station, you would have made the same comment? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Oct 15 13:22:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:22:19 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <4fc429770810151022oc3bae20lcc6e9049653de6e@mail.gmail.com> sorry for the test message but my comcast.net mail has been bouncing for 24 hours and i want to see if it is fixed. thanks From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Oct 16 16:01:06 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:01:06 -0500 Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Message-ID: <20081016200106.EF3D0CD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Recently WTKK added local talk weeknights in place of the tape delayed Laura Ingraham, with Curtis Sliwa (though some wonder if Sliwa's show may soon go national? WTKK was simulcasting him with WABC after the recent debates). Now Ingraham has turned up at WRKO, weekday mornings from 10 to noon, in place of Reese Hopkins. Hopkins has been cut (along with two producers for Tom Finneran at WRKO, a producer for Greg Hill at WAAF, and some other staffers). http://news.bostonherald.com/business/media/view/2008_10_16_Job_cuts_hit_WRKO__WAAF/srvc=home&position=also Not surprising given Entercom's business struggles lately. Now WRKO will have Ingraham live (at least it's live rather than delayed by 13 hours) but loses a local connection mornings. Just before his show ends every night at 7 pm, Howie Carr gives out the 'RKO phone number one last time... even though there's no local talk till the next morning. And now no local talk from 10 am to 3 pm. From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Oct 16 21:47:54 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:47:54 -0500 Subject: why are playoff games on WEEI? Message-ID: <4fc429770810161847g72599a87v786380f95bcaa3c@mail.gmail.com> Just curious if Entercom ever gave a reason for the ALCS games to be on WEEI and not WRKO From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Oct 17 00:55:15 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dave O'Brien Message-ID: <612122.21778.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Why isn't he working the playoff broadcasts, other than contributing to the pre-game? Is he doing some other work? I like Dale Arnold, don't get me wrong, but I love O'Brien's pipes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 17 02:30:22 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:30:22 -0500 Subject: why are playoff games on WEEI? Message-ID: <20081017063022.EB3F249B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Yes--this year and last, Wed. night games were placed on WEEI so that _they_ could have at least one game a week. Weekday afternoon games were placed there, too, so Rush & Howie wouldn't be pre-empted. You'd have situations where they were promoting WRKO as "The ONLY home for Red Sox baseball!"...oh, and 2007 world series game 1? It's on WEEI. Yeah. Game six? Also WEEI...Though though were some cases like opening day last year where both stations ran the game. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 17 02:32:41 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:32:41 -0500 Subject: Dave O'Brien Message-ID: <20081017063241.564DA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Dave O'Brien has been doing the games for ESPN International. Other times, Arnold has subbed for Obie because he was doing the game for ESPN those nights too (or some other sporting event). Be glad it's not Glenn Geffner. Whenever possible, though, such as tonight, O'Brien was featured on the pre-game show. So you had O'Brien there doing the game...one booth away...but not for Red Sox radio. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Oct 17 03:59:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:59:02 -0500 Subject: Dave O'Brien In-Reply-To: <20081017063241.564DA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081017063241.564DA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810170059g77c3f699q7a2404e1ad5f2afb@mail.gmail.com> Obie will be doing the international feed thru the World Series. Entercom wants Obie to take over as #1 when Joe decides to retire. Frankly Joe didn't care about the end result he just wanted Trupiano gone. Under previous Red Sox ownership Joe had clout going back to 1989 when Ken Coleman was fired for Bob Star and when Star decided to return to LA Joe became #1. Joe has been doing the Sox now for 26 years and he will leave on his own terms. The Red Sox ownership would in a perfect world move Orsillo to radio and Obie to NESN but they can live with things right now. On 10/17/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Dave O'Brien has been doing the games for ESPN International. > > Other times, Arnold has subbed for Obie because he was doing the game for > ESPN those nights > too (or some other sporting event). Be glad it's not Glenn Geffner. > > Whenever possible, though, such as tonight, O'Brien was featured on the > pre-game show. > > So you had O'Brien there doing the game...one booth away...but not for Red > Sox radio. > From ssmyth@psualum.com Fri Oct 17 12:29:58 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dave O'Brien In-Reply-To: <20081017063241.564DA49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <958145.81621.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Fri, 10/17/08, Bob Nelson wrote: > Dave O'Brien has been doing the games for ESPN > International. > > Other times, Arnold has subbed for Obie because he was > doing the game for ESPN those nights > too (or some other sporting event). I know Arnold has subbed for O'Brien at times during the regular season. It's just jarring to lose your regular radio voice during the postseason. Then again, Dodgers fans had to deal with that for a long time. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Oct 17 13:38:52 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:38:52 -0400 Subject: Donna in the Boston Globe Message-ID: <20081017173854.71BE320C5AC@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> I am sure many of you saw it already, but for those who did not: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2008/10/17/she_blazed_a_trail_locally_and_now_her_career_comes_full_circle/ From lglavin@mail.com Fri Oct 17 13:39:07 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:39:07 -0500 Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Message-ID: <20081017173907.4E5F847808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:01:06 -0500 >Recently WTKK added local talk weeknights in place of the tape >delayed Laura Ingraham, with Curtis >Sliwa (though some wonder if Sliwa's show may soon go national? >WTKK was simulcasting him with >WABC after the recent debates). Now Ingraham has turned up at WRKO, >weekday mornings from >10 to noon, in place of Reese Hopkins. Hopkins has been cut (along >with two producers for >Tom Finneran at WRKO, a producer for Greg Hill at WAAF, and some >other staffers). Although WRKO will be carrying just the two final hours of the Laura Ingraham show, and for now, WNSH-AM 1570, Beverly airs all three hours, I'm sure the management "geniuses" at WRKO will figure out that it's not a good idea to have a radio station pretty much in the same market carrying the same mid-morning show at the same time. (WCRN of course is in a different market.) Thus, WNSH will probably have to find a new female-hosted show to place in that time slot. S I D E B A R: Apparently WNSH is willing to make changes to its lineup; they replaced that trainwreck of a talk show, Tammy Bruce (who seemed to attract NO callers at all) with Monica Crowley in the same time slot. Well there is one obvious candidate, although her show is definitely NOT a right-wing clone like Ingraham and Crowley: namely Stephanie Miller. I'd guess that the return of Steph to the Boston market would even engender a column from Clea Simon of the Boston Globe! *Um, let me rephrase that: I'd guess that the return of Steph to the Boston market would even engender a column from Jessica Heslam of the Chicopee Herald. This bears watching. *For those of you haven't heard the news, Clea Simon's "Radio Tracks" column is being deleted from the Globe's pages. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Oct 17 13:43:13 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:43:13 -0500 Subject: TIME-SENSITIVE POST: Tonight's "On Point" Message-ID: <20081017174313.292A6478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> If you're reading this BEFORE 8:06 pm Friday, October 17th, the subject on tonight's "On Point" rebroadcast on WBUR-FM, Boston, its rebroadcasters and wbur.org will be the early days of radio in America. Later it will reappear as a podcast on wbur.org. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 12:53:26 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: why are playoff games on WEEI? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810161847g72599a87v786380f95bcaa3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <995891.29380.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 10/16/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Just curious if Entercom ever gave a reason for the ALCS > games to be > on WEEI and not WRKO On which radio are you listening? Last night's game was on 680. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Oct 17 13:56:32 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:56:32 -0500 Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Message-ID: <20081017175632.32FFECD80FB@ws1-4a.us4.outblaze.com> Ingraham is also on WCRN...given Keating Willcox's politics as far as I know, the chances of him running Steph Miller are the same as the chances of Air America picking up Michael Savage. Also: Herald reporting one Howie Carr producer was let go. No word if it's Nancy "Sandy" Shack or "Happy". http://bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/?p=672&srvc=home&position=recent From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 14:26:54 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Message-ID: <956591.88348.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Happy" has mentioned that he's looking at a house - perhaps he's the one one?refered to?who just bought a house. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Nelson To: Laurence Glavin ; Bob Nelson ; BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:56:32 PM Subject: Re: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Ingraham is also on WCRN...given Keating Willcox's politics as far as I know, the chances of him running Steph Miller are the same as the chances of Air America picking up Michael Savage. Also: Herald reporting one Howie Carr producer was let go. No word if it's Nancy "Sandy" Shack or "Happy". http://bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/?p=672&srvc=home&position=recent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sid@wrko.com Fri Oct 17 14:32:09 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:32:09 -0400 Subject: Donna in the Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <20081017173854.71BE320C5AC@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20081017173854.71BE320C5AC@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AE07A43@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I am sure many of you saw it already, but for those who did not: http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2008/10/17/she_blazed_a_trail_locally_and_now_her_career_comes_full_circle/<< Geez, you look the same to me. ;-) Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Oct 17 14:54:07 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO References: <20081017173907.4E5F847808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <191AF58544CC42FC83EDE6DB1C1B8FE4@SatU205S5044> Technically, the FCC considers Worcester to be part of the Boston Market. It considers WVEI (AM), which is not audible in what most of us would call the Boston market, to count towards Entercom's not exceeding the Boston market ownership cap (eight stations maximum of which no more than five can be in a single service--AM or FM). The others are WAAF, WKAF, WMKK, WRKO, and WEEI. Similarly, WSRS counts towards Clear Channel's not exceding the cap. Its others are WJMN, WXKS-FM, WKOX, and WXKS (AM). Unless I've missed some stations, Entercom has six stations (three AM and three FM) in the market and Clear Channel has five (two AM and three FM). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:01:06 -0500 >Recently WTKK added local talk weeknights in place of the tape >delayed Laura Ingraham, with Curtis >Sliwa (though some wonder if Sliwa's show may soon go national? >WTKK was simulcasting him with >WABC after the recent debates). Now Ingraham has turned up at WRKO, >weekday mornings from >10 to noon, in place of Reese Hopkins. Hopkins has been cut (along >with two producers for >Tom Finneran at WRKO, a producer for Greg Hill at WAAF, and some >other staffers). Although WRKO will be carrying just the two final hours of the Laura Ingraham show, and for now, WNSH-AM 1570, Beverly airs all three hours, I'm sure the management "geniuses" at WRKO will figure out that it's not a good idea to have a radio station pretty much in the same market carrying the same mid-morning show at the same time. (WCRN of course is in a different market.) Thus, WNSH will probably have to find a new female-hosted show to place in that time slot. S I D E B A R: Apparently WNSH is willing to make changes to its lineup; they replaced that trainwreck of a talk show, Tammy Bruce (who seemed to attract NO callers at all) with Monica Crowley in the same time slot. Well there is one obvious candidate, although her show is definitely NOT a right-wing clone like Ingraham and Crowley: namely Stephanie Miller. I'd guess that the return of Steph to the Boston market would even engender a column from Clea Simon of the Boston Globe! *Um, let me rephrase that: I'd guess that the return of Steph to the Boston market would even engender a column from Jessica Heslam of the Chicopee Herald. This bears watching. *For those of you haven't heard the news, Clea Simon's "Radio Tracks" column is being deleted from the Globe's pages. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Oct 17 14:49:44 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:49:44 -0500 Subject: Donna in the Boston Globe Message-ID: <20081017184944.BB7F832675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Donna in the Boston Globe >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:38:52 -0400 >I am sure many of you saw it already, but for those who did not: >http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2008/10/17/she_blazed_a_trail_locally_and_now_her_career_comes_full_circle/ "Halper, 61"? I never would have guessed. BTW, since 61 is a prime number, a number divisible only by two who numbers: itself and 1, therefore technically you're in the prime of your life. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 19:05:41 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:05:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO Message-ID: <10535107.1224371141414.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "Dan.Strassberg" > Technically, the FCC considers Worcester to be part > of the Boston Market...Similarly, WSRS counts towards > Clear Channel's not exceding the cap. Its others are > WJMN, WXKS-FM, WKOX and WXKS (AM). Unless I've missed > some stations, Entercom has six stations (three AM > and three FM) in the market and Clear Channel has five > (two AM and three FM). I count three AM and four FM for Clear Channel. The AM's are WTAG, WKOX, and WXKS (AM). The FM's are WJMN, WSRS, WXKS-FM, and W235AV, the 230 watt translator on 94.9 licensed to the Worcester neighborhood Tatnuck which originally relayed WJMN, but has recently relayed WTAG. EP From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Oct 18 19:39:27 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:39:27 -0500 Subject: Entercom cuts Hopkins, adds Ingraham at WRKO In-Reply-To: <10535107.1224371141414.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10535107.1224371141414.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810181639q3f10970aj12fe43aeb6771c39@mail.gmail.com> And Im sure W235AV relayed WJMN only until CC could get approval to rebroadcast WTAG-AM On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > > > Technically, the FCC considers Worcester to be part > > of the Boston Market...Similarly, WSRS counts towards > > Clear Channel's not exceding the cap. Its others are > > WJMN, WXKS-FM, WKOX and WXKS (AM). Unless I've missed > > some stations, Entercom has six stations (three AM > > and three FM) in the market and Clear Channel has five > > (two AM and three FM). > > I count three AM and four FM for Clear Channel. The AM's > are WTAG, WKOX, and WXKS (AM). The FM's are WJMN, WSRS, > WXKS-FM, and W235AV, the 230 watt translator on 94.9 > licensed to the Worcester neighborhood Tatnuck which > originally relayed WJMN, but has recently relayed WTAG. > > EP > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 14:03:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:03:40 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion Message-ID: For a laugh, you have to watch this Youtube faux PSA called: PSA - Digital Conversion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuMO9oazwQ What a great spoof! From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Oct 19 16:25:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:25:21 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion References: Message-ID: Hilarious! My mom died in 2004; she was 104. At one point when she was in her 90s, I bought her a new pushbutton telephone. After I bought it but before I brought it to her, I started to worry that she wouldn't be able to use it because the only phones she had ever used were dial phones--for the last 60-some years, and before that, phones that were answered by an operator when you lifted the receiver. (Anyone else remember "number pleeyuz?") Well, I shouldn't have worried; despite her absolute trepidation about using anything that she called a "machine," the pushbutton phone did not faze her. (She NEVER learned to properly tune an analog-tuned radio and watching her try to tune a radio was quite an experience!) I could never explain why she took so easily to the pushbutton phone. I did not even have to explain that you "dialed" it by pushing the numbered buttons one after the other. She just seemed to understand. Maybe she had watched other people using pushbutton phones when she visited their homes and figured it out. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "BRI+" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion > > For a laugh, you have to watch this Youtube faux PSA called: > > PSA - Digital Conversion > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuMO9oazwQ > > What a great spoof! From billohno@gmail.com Sun Oct 19 17:05:04 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:05:04 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FBA100.6030300@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Hilarious! My mom died in 2004; she was 104. At one point when she was > in her 90s, I bought her a new pushbutton telephone. We owe a great deal to your mom and her generation, Dan. (And how great is that? 104!) The technological changes mom and her generation withstood, tolerated, and adapted to blow away anything we could ever imagine. Most of what we consider as new is just more of the same...just smaller, or bigger, or flatter, or faster, or ... etc. Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 19 18:32:29 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:32:29 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FB7D3D.22217.26D633@joe.attorneyross.com> On 19 Oct 2008 at 14:03, Don A wrote: > For a laugh, you have to watch this Youtube faux PSA called: > > PSA - Digital Conversion > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuMO9oazwQ > > What a great spoof! I WISH it could make Jack Benny come back! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 20 07:26:45 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:26:45 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AE07E52@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>For a laugh, you have to watch this Youtube faux PSA called: PSA - Digital Conversion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuMO9oazwQ What a great spoof!<< It is hilarious. Unfortunately, for a substantial segment of the population, it's going to contain more truth than spoof come 2/19/09. There's always a certain percentage of people that just aren't comfortable with anything much beyond an analog clock, and sometimes even that throws them for a loop. The DTV conversion test market (Wilmington NC), in which all analog signals were shut off last month, saw several hundred phone calls to the local TV stations asking why they were off the air. Even with the nationwide blitz of ads about the DTV conversion, this may be an omen for next February. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From lglavin@mail.com Mon Oct 20 14:45:16 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:45:16 -0500 Subject: AM 800 Tower Stripped Of FM Bays Message-ID: <20081020184516.D376147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> This may amount to much ado about nothing, but the 6 or 7 FM antenna bays for 93.7 that have been attached to the WNNW-AM 800 tower in Andover for decades have been stripped away, apparently along with the STL dish pointed towards Boston. There's still a dish for the WNNW feed emanating from The City Formerly Known as The City Called The Town Of Methuen. I don't know when this occurred, but I just noticed it yesterday (Sunday) so I drove over to the tower site to see if the antenna elements were still on the ground at the base of the tower, or were carted away by the riggers. I don't believe I could be accused of trespassing since the gates were wide open, and voila (a little French lingo), right at my feet were the support structures and all the FM bays. The WNNW tower still has a number of cell phone antennas. I seem to recall that the AM 800 tower was a second backup for the 93.7 operation (I think it was WQSX at the time) after it was moved to Peabody. This makes some sense; the location is closer to the ocean, so a northeaster that may deliver snow inland might bring sleet and freezing rain to Peabody, possibly bringing down the tower there, as happened in Maine several years ago. It's also not far from the airport ("I don't know anybody who lives at the airport", George Carlin) and as we know from recent experience, small planes and helicopters can sometimes clip radio towers. But nonetheless, the 93.7 sections are gone. I wonder if it has something to do with belt-tightening at Entercom; perhaps they told Costa/Eagle that they weren't interested in paying rent anymore, and the latter decided to remove them to cut down on the weight on the SW side of the tower, or to offer space for more cell phone antennas or maybe some of the services that will be made available after the digital TV conversion. In any event, somebody had better remove all that metal, including copper, or somebody else may just do it for them. -- See Exclusive Video: Hollywood Life's 5th Annual Style Awards http://www.hollywoodlife.net/Awards.aspx?AwardsID=style2008 From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 20 14:26:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:26:47 -0500 Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night Message-ID: <4fc429770810201126x5e64bf96uce663d9300dc5847@mail.gmail.com> Since Scott brought it up in his newsletter I have to comment on the fiasco that happened at the start of Game 6. I was working crew on the TBS feed and everything left St Pete fine and in fact the multi-camera platform on mlb.com was up and running during the blackout. I was told yesterday that the likely cause was sabotage do to ongoing labor problems at Turner in Atlanta. What is mind boggling is master control in Atlanta had no way to manually switch to the studio control room where the incoming feed from St Pete would then be sweetned with commercials and promos. MLB most likely will opt out of their contract with TBS as the cable outlet did not reach the benchmark audience promised. The final insult came when the Tampa Bay football team got a higher rating on NBC last night than baseball in ther Tampa market. Regarding what happened in Buffalo yesterday CBS used to have generators available for backup power for top level telecasts but in a cost cutting move no longer does so. Scott did Time-Warner take over the old Aldephi system in Buffalo and what are they replacing WIVB with? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 20 15:42:19 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:42:19 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion Message-ID: <380-2200810120194219687@ix.netcom.com> help, I'm surrounded by a senior citizen's village! no joke....many who haven't even tried using a PC. I'm afraid that at the DTV transition, many folks will ask me to "help" them ... probably even without them having gotten a converter box. The video is MINT, glad I was sitting when watched, or I'd fallen over laughing. thank you Bob From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 20 15:46:24 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:46:24 -0400 Subject: AM 800 Tower Stripped Of FM Bays In-Reply-To: <20081020184516.D376147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20081020184516.D376147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AED0F05@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>I wonder if it has something to do with belt-tightening at Entercom; perhaps they told Costa/Eagle that they weren't interested in paying rent anymore, and the latter decided to remove them to cut down on the weight on the SW side of the tower, or to offer space for more cell phone antennas or maybe some of the services that will be made available after the digital TV conversion. In any event, somebody had better remove all that metal, including copper, or somebody else may just do it for them.<< Nope. We don't own it and had nothing to do with its removal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 15:49:26 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:49:26 -0400 Subject: AM 800 Tower Stripped Of FM Bays References: <20081020184516.D376147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AED0F05@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <7E3FE3BD52A841B3A03FE63E9B07FC7E@MainXPPro> > Nope. We don't own it and had nothing to do with its removal. But you guys DID use it as a backup site, no? At least initially? From sid@wrko.com Mon Oct 20 15:56:00 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: AM 800 Tower Stripped Of FM Bays In-Reply-To: <7E3FE3BD52A841B3A03FE63E9B07FC7E@MainXPPro> References: <20081020184516.D376147808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AED0F05@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <7E3FE3BD52A841B3A03FE63E9B07FC7E@MainXPPro> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE8098AED0F3F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>But you guys DID use it as a backup site, no? At least initially?<< Entercom didn't. CBS and ARS did. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM WEEI Sports Radio Network 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 20 16:17:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:17:06 -0500 Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night In-Reply-To: <18684.58221.417102.418491@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770810201126x5e64bf96uce663d9300dc5847@mail.gmail.com> <18684.58221.417102.418491@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770810201317p365b1324rd21c69f216a9ccff@mail.gmail.com> If a winner take all game where a team in that market can go to the World Series can't beat a regular season NFL game then baseball is in trouble in that market. Part of the problem is Bright House Cable which is the major provider in the Tampa market says nearly 25 percent don't purchase the tier TBS is on and the football game was on channel 8 WFLA-TV. It just shows that not having a local over the air station for playoff games is folly. The NFL would never allow that. As far as the sabotage possibility I was told by a TBS manager it appears that might have been the case as the system failed 3 ways. He admitted that when Channel 17 was converted to Peachtree TV some staffers took a sizable cut in pay. NESN for example does have a backup system in place where the truck has a backup commercial reel available if Watertown goes down and the feed from the venue can be patched directly to the uplink. TBS had that in place last night just in case. On 10/20/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> MLB most likely will opt out of their contract with TBS as the cable >> outlet did not reach the benchmark audience promised. The final insult >> came when the Tampa Bay football team got a higher rating on NBC last >> night than baseball in ther Tampa market. > > You sure that's not just a reflection of the relative popularity of > the two sports in that market? > > -GAWollman > > From MauOB@aol.com Mon Oct 20 16:27:54 2008 From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:27:54 EDT Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night Message-ID: Baseball in Central Florida is not a big deal. Football is a very big deal and baseball is ignored. Even the Rays winning the series will not fill their seats next year. Rays couldn't fill Tropicana Field for game 6 and 7 and tickets were being given away. Even if the game was televised on local channel, it would not have gotten decent ratings. Interesting about the sabotage. Maureen In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:19:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kvahey@comcast.net writes: Part of the problem is Bright House Cable which is the major provider in the Tampa market says nearly 25 percent don't purchase the tier TBS is on and the football game was on channel 8 WFLA-TV. It just shows that not having a local over the air station for playoff games is folly. The NFL would never allow that. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 16:40:01 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night Message-ID: <241171.20212.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin, Funny you mentioned labor problems at Turner. That's the 1st thing I thought of when I didn't see the game. Are they still using non-union crews? Maureen ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest ; Scott Fybush Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:26:47 PM Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night Since Scott brought it up in his newsletter I have to comment on the fiasco that happened at the start of Game 6. I was working crew on the TBS feed and everything left St Pete fine and in fact the multi-camera platform on mlb.com was up and running during the blackout. I was told yesterday that the likely cause was sabotage do to ongoing labor problems at Turner in Atlanta. What is mind boggling is master control in Atlanta had no way to manually switch to the studio control room where the incoming feed from St Pete would then be sweetned with commercials and promos. MLB most likely will opt out of their contract with TBS as the cable outlet did not reach the benchmark audience promised. The final insult came when the Tampa Bay football team got a higher rating on NBC last night than baseball in ther Tampa market. Regarding what happened in Buffalo yesterday CBS used to have generators available for backup power for top level telecasts but in a cost cutting move no longer does so. Scott did Time-Warner take over the old Aldephi system in Buffalo and what are they replacing WIVB with? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 15:56:00 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810201126x5e64bf96uce663d9300dc5847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <222667.24806.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, 10/20/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > MLB most likely will opt out of their contract with TBS as > the cable > outlet did not reach the benchmark audience promised. The > final insult > came when the Tampa Bay football team got a higher rating > on NBC last > night than baseball in ther Tampa market. Would ESPN be an option (again)? It amazes me that there was no backup plan in place for an event of such magnitude. That's what makes your explanation more plausible, Kevin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 20 17:17:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:17:45 -0500 Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night In-Reply-To: <241171.20212.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <241171.20212.qm@web53310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810201417k75266c77kcbfa286515be08d8@mail.gmail.com> They pay production crews top dollar ( same as Fox and ESPN ) the troops back in Atlanta don't fare as well. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Maureen Carney wrote: > Kevin, > > Funny you mentioned labor problems at Turner. That's the 1st thing I > thought of when I didn't see the game. Are they still using non-union crews? > > Maureen > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Oct 21 11:58:06 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: The TBS fiasco on Saturday night In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810201126x5e64bf96uce663d9300dc5847@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810201126x5e64bf96uce663d9300dc5847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FDFC0E.7020008@fybush.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott did Time-Warner take over the old Aldephi system in Buffalo and > what are they replacing WIVB with? TWC did indeed buy the Adelphia systems all across western NY and northern PA. I think they're putting a college sports network on 4, but haven't been over that way to check. s From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Oct 23 13:02:56 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:02:56 -0400 Subject: Channel 50 making the jump to digital Dec 1 Message-ID: <4900AE40.3090901@gabrielmass.com> "MyTV" channel 50 in Derry is running ads announcing that they're dropping their analog broadcasts December 1: http://www.mytvstation.tv/ --RC From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Oct 23 13:32:57 2008 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:32:57 -0500 Subject: former WRKO host held on rape charge Message-ID: <20081023173257.BCDB083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> He was in their employ till last Thursday and was let go due to budget cuts, replaced by Laura Ingraham. A "listener appreciation party" was due to be held in Malden. Now former WRKO talker Reese Hopkins is being held on a "fugitive from justice charge stemming from a four-year-old rape allegation in New York City". Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/10/former_wrko_tal.html He is being extradited to New York City and claims that he was not present when the alleged rape was said to have occured (Oct. 2004 in Manchester CT) Herald: http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2008_10_23_No_bail_for_Ex-WRKO_host_on_warrant_charge/srvc=home&position=0 From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 13:50:58 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Channel 50 making the jump to digital Dec 1 Message-ID: <299826.4017.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Have to imagine most of their audience is on cable. When I lived in Haverhill I got very poor reception OTA. All the other NH stations came in clear. To be honest I haven't been able to pull them in with either of my converter boxes, while I do get WMUR-DT at times in Framingham. ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Chonak To: bri@bostonradio.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:02:56 PM Subject: Channel 50 making the jump to digital Dec 1 "MyTV" channel 50 in Derry is running ads announcing that they're dropping their analog broadcasts December 1: http://www.mytvstation.tv/ --RC From markwats@comcast.net Thu Oct 23 17:03:46 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:03:46 -0400 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges Message-ID: <000c01c93552$d7f15e80$0202a8c0@Mark> The Boston Herald reports former Boston TV sportscaster and "Candlepins For Cash" host Bob Gamere has been indicted on child porn charges. He appeared in Federal court today and pleaded not guilty. He will remain under house arrest wearing a GPS bracelet. More details from the Herald: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1127402&pos=breaking Mark Watson From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Oct 23 17:28:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:28:19 -0500 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <000c01c93552$d7f15e80$0202a8c0@Mark> References: <000c01c93552$d7f15e80$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com> I am as shocked as Captain Renault was in Casablanca to find that gambling was taking place at Rick's Caf?. On 10/23/08, Mark Watson wrote: > The Boston Herald reports former Boston TV sportscaster and "Candlepins > For Cash" host Bob Gamere has been indicted on child porn charges. He > appeared in Federal court today and pleaded not guilty. He will remain under > house arrest wearing a GPS bracelet. More details from the Herald: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1127402&pos=breaking > > Mark Watson > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Thu Oct 23 20:53:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:53:15 -0500 Subject: Channel 50 making the jump to digital Dec 1 In-Reply-To: <299826.4017.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <299826.4017.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810231753w3ea01752h32c92623c8f51daf@mail.gmail.com> I have never been able to get an OTA signal in Chelmsford. Still nobody will miss their analog signal that has always had a washed out look. On 10/23/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > Have to imagine most of their audience is on cable. When I lived in > Haverhill I got very poor reception OTA. All the other NH stations came in > clear. To be honest I haven't been able to pull them in with either of my > converter boxes, while I do get WMUR-DT at times in Framingham. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Richard Chonak > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:02:56 PM > Subject: Channel 50 making the jump to digital Dec 1 > > "MyTV" channel 50 in Derry is running ads announcing that they're > dropping their analog broadcasts December 1: > > http://www.mytvstation.tv/ > > --RC > > > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 10:59:39 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:39 -0500 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <190221.85808.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com> <190221.85808.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com> When Bob was stabbed it happened when the US Open in golf was taking place at The Country Club. Bob had promised to deliver all access passes to somebody and failed to do so. Bob is really a nice guy who sadly may well be the worst drunk I have ever come to know. 2 beers and he is gone. It is no secret that he is barred from most bars in the city as with every sip he becomes an inch taller and 20 pounds heavier. He becomes argumentive over stupid things and gets into fights. He lost one job after an incident at a strip club in Everett. His roommate at Holy Cross also became a local sportscaster at channels 4 and 5 (was also Vatican reporter) and when younger partied as hard as Bob but settled down as he grew older. His son was (and may still be) working at 94.5. He was part of the best newsteam WNAC ever had with Chuck Scarboro, Lee Nelson and a weatherman whose name escapes me. It really is a sad end for him. On 10/24/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 10/23/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I am as shocked as Captain Renault was in Casablanca to find >> that >> gambling was taking place at Rick's Caf?. > > Wasn't Bob's stabbing in the Fens speculated to be gambling-related? Feel > free to correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Oct 24 11:06:59 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:06:59 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges Message-ID: <4901E493.6090705@Gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote, > Bob is really a nice guy > He was part of the best newsteam WNAC ever had with > Chuck Scarboro, Lee Nelson and a weatherman whose name > escapes me. Fred Ward? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:06:01 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <190221.85808.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Thu, 10/23/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I am as shocked as Captain Renault was in Casablanca to find > that > gambling was taking place at Rick's Caf?. Wasn't Bob's stabbing in the Fens speculated to be gambling-related? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 11:30:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:30:35 -0500 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com> <190221.85808.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810240830q224a2de5r2135b29768b83ca9@mail.gmail.com> Fred Ward sounds right. Around that time a popular weatherman at the old Channel 5 (WHDH) Bob Copeland decided not to go to WCVB and went to another station but I can not recall if he went to 4 or 7. In any event 7 became a player in local news in 1972 until Chuck left for WNBC and Lee went back to Maine. Gamere was replaced eventually by Bill O'Connell and Gamere briefly replaced Ordway at 1510 before landing at 56. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Oct 24 13:22:02 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:22:02 -0400 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <4fc429770810240830q224a2de5r2135b29768b83ca9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com>, <4fc429770810240830q224a2de5r2135b29768b83ca9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4901CBFA.14528.1A2210@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Oct 2008 at 10:30, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Around that time a popular weatherman at the old Channel 5 (WHDH) Bob > Copeland decided not to go to WCVB and went to another station but I > can not recall if he went to 4 or 7. I remember that Bob Copeland was on channel 4 before he went to WHDH- 5. In fact, I think he was there even before channel 5 came on the air. He did weekends and Don Kent did weekdays. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From billohno@gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:45:15 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:45:15 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490209AB.7080403@gmail.com> Don A wrote: > What a great spoof! Spoof? Oops. I took her seriously. That old lady is the wheelhouse for bad marketing and P-I spots on daytime TV. My fave is when she says, "Hello?" into the plug of the converter box while holding the box to her hear. And, pointing to her monitor, "Is this my new TV?" Wuh, wuh, wuh.... Bill O'Neill From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 24 14:08:50 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:08:50 -0400 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: <490209AB.7080403@gmail.com> References: <490209AB.7080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18690.3890.265805.300819@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Speaking of the DTV conversion, I saw an announcement on NHPTV last night that they would be reducing power on WENH-TV for the conversion. Presumably this is one of those deals where they split a combined analog transmitter, and convert one half to digital. Hmmm... their form 387 says it's a bit more complicated than that: AT THE END OF THE TRANSITION WE WILL MOVE FROM OUR TEMPORARY OUT-OF-CORE UHF CHANNEL TO OUR ANALOG CHANNEL 11 FOR PERMANENT DTV OPERATIONS. WE HOLD A MAXIMIZED CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, GRANTED ON JULY 16, 2008, FOR DIGITAL CHANNEL 11. THAT PERMIT MODIFIED OUR ORIGINAL PERMIT TO INCREASE POWER FROM 15.8 KW ERP TO 30 KW ERP AND CHANGE FROM A NONDIRECTIONAL TO A DIRECTIONAL ANTENNA. WE WILL NEED TO FILE FOR EXTENSION OF THAT PERMIT. WE TOOK DELIVERY OF THE NEW TRANSMITTER ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2008. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH UNIVERSITY PROCUREMENT OFFICIALS THROUGH THE COMPLEX BIDDING PROCESS REQUIRED FOR ACQUISITION OF THE NEW DIRECTIONAL ANTENNA. WE PLAN TO COMPLETE THAT PROCESS AND PLACE AN ORDER BY FEBRUARY 1, 2009 AND, BASED ON CURRENT MANUFACTURERS ESTIMATES, TO TAKE DELIVERY BY APPROXIMATELY JULY 6, 2009. THE ANTENNA SITE IS ON A MOUNTAINTOP WHERE HIGH WINDS DO NOT NORMALLY SUBSIDE UNTIL THE SUMMER, SO JULY WOULD BE A FAVORABLE TIME FOR THE INSTALLATION PROJECT. EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 18, 2008 WE WILL REDUCE ANALOG POWER TO 50% IN ORDER TO BEGIN THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW DTV TRANSMITTER AND WILL REMAIN AT 50% POWER UNTIL THE TRANSITION DEADLINE. THE ANALOG POWER REDUCTION IS NECESSARY BECAUSE WE WILL BE REMOVING ONE ANALOG AMPLIFIER CABINET FROM THE TRANSMITTER IN ORDER TO INSTALL A DTV AMPLIFIER CABINET. WE HAVE THEREFORE REQUESTED SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO OPERATE AT 50% OF AUTHORIZED ERP AS OF THE TRANSITION DATE. NOVEMBER 18 IS THE LATEST DATE FOR INSTALLATION THAT COULD BE SCHEDULED BY THE TRANSMITTER MANUFACTURER. ON FEBRUARY 17, 2009 WE WILL SHUT DOWN THE ANALOG TRANSMITTER, CONNECT THE DTV TRANSMITTER OUTPUT TO THE ANTENNA FEEDLINE, AND PUT THE CHANNEL 11 DTV FACILITIES ON LINE. WE WILL CONCURRENTLY SHUT DOWN THE OUT-OF-CORE CHANNEL 57 TRANSMITTER. THE INITIAL ACTIVATION OF DTV CHANNEL 11 WILL BE AT THE POWER LEVEL SPECIFIED IN OUR PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, 15.8 KW, BECAUSE THE DIRECTIONAL ANTENNA IS NEEDED TO BROADCAST AT THE POWER SPECIFIED IN THE MAXIMIZED CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. A REQUEST FOR STA TO SUPPORT OPERATION AT 15.8KW WILL BE FILED. They have filed to maximize the other two stations (WLED-TV and WEKW-TV) but will not do so prior to the transition. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 14:09:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:09:35 -0500 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges In-Reply-To: <4901CBFA.14528.1A2210@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770810240830q224a2de5r2135b29768b83ca9@mail.gmail.com> <4901CBFA.14528.1A2210@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810241109w7d9f0357jf168de2348e21474@mail.gmail.com> Copeland I think finally did go to WCVB a couple of years later and did mornings. WCVB at first had Bob Ryan ( not the sportswriter ) who then went on to a long career at WRC-TV in DC. WCVB took most of the high profile talent from WHDH-TV but very few reporters. Gamere used to tape candlepins on Sunday afternoon and by the time it came to do the Friday show he was usually half drunk. Candlepins was the first show to beat Perry Mason reruns on channel 5 that simply owned that timeslot. WCVB simply continued to run Perry at 5 when they took over. From markwats@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 17:20:08 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:20:08 -0400 Subject: Bob Gamere Indicted On Child Porn Charges References: <4fc429770810231428v36cc7b23x5713a05e5adf4758@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770810240759k2301b410w261a920692328334@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770810240830q224a2de5r2135b29768b83ca9@mail.gmail.com><4901CBFA.14528.1A2210@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770810241109w7d9f0357jf168de2348e21474@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c9361e$4b7f1bf0$0202a8c0@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Copeland I think finally did go to WCVB a couple of years later and > did mornings. WCVB at first had Bob Ryan ( not the sportswriter ) who > then went on to a long career at WRC-TV in DC. I thought Bob Copeland was with WCVB on day one. I think Bob Ryan is still working in DC. I also recall another early WCVB meterologist, Bill Hovey. Was he handling the morning weather and replaced when Copeland came over to 'CVB? > Candlepins was the first show to beat Perry Mason reruns >on channel 5 > that simply owned that timeslot. WCVB simply >continued to run Perry at 5 > when they took over. The article in the Globe stated that "Candlepins" ran on Channel 7 from 1973 to 1980. I know that WCVB had Perry Mason in the 5PM slot for a while, then later in the 70's they picked up the syndicated reruns of the early seasons of "All In The Family" which ran at 5:30. I don't recall what they ran at 5:00 before "Family". IIRC "Candlepins" still won the timeslot. In my house, since my dad was a big Archie Bunker fan, and my mom was a "Candlepins" fan, that led to our becoming a 2 television house. A small black & white TV was purchased and placed on the kitchen counter, which is what we watched Channel 7 at 5:30 on. MarkWatson From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 26 23:41:21 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:41:21 -0400 Subject: WMUA reunion Message-ID: <49050021.16514.AA356C@joe.attorneyross.com> I was in Amherst this weekend for the 60th anniversary celebration and station reunion of WMUA, the UMass student-operated station. Unfortunately, no one else from the 1960s era was there, but I held forth on 1960s programming and described, yet again, my experience as a freshman news announcer on the afternoon that President Kennedy was assassinated. I was glad to notice that WMUA still has turntables. With the eclectic mix of music they play, I can see why they still use them. The turntables in the control room still play 78 rpm records, and there are a couple of 78 needles there as well (with an unsigned note from somebody saying not to fool with them because he plays 78s on his show). As at the last reunion, they let us alumni do airshifts (this time only 1/2 hour -- last time I was assigned an hour, and it stretched into 1 1/2 hours when the next show wasn't ready). And so, I played a 78 -- Buchanan and Goodman's "The Flying Saucer." Unfortunately, the one cassette deck in the control room wasn't working, so I couldn't play the Flanders & Swan stuff that I had planned -- or the Howdy Doody song that I wanted to play in tribute to the Howdy Doody Show's producer, E. Roger Muir, who died this past week. But I did play Irving Berlin's anti-war song, "Stay Down Here Where You Belong," which Berlin wrote before the US entry into World War I. Later, he was embarrassed by it and wanted to forget it. But Groucho Marx kept singing it whenever he and Irving Berlin were at the same party. And he sang it at his early-70s Carnegie Hall appearance, which came out as a two-record LP album under the title "An Evening with Groucho." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Oct 26 23:41:20 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:41:20 -0400 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio Message-ID: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> I was in the Amherst area this weekend, and I noticed that what always was Channel 3 in Hartford is now identifying itself as CBS 3 Springfield. Did they change their COL? When did that happen? I also was listening for awhile to WNNZ 640, Westfield, which is currently a second channel (news and talk) for WFCR. What did that station used to do? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Oct 26 23:52:01 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio In-Reply-To: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <18693.15073.871006.659473@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I was in the Amherst area this weekend, and I noticed that what > always was Channel 3 in Hartford is now identifying itself as CBS 3 > Springfield. Did they change their COL? When did that happen? Pioneer Valley cable systems now carry Meredith's WSHM-LP instead of WFSB. > I also was listening for awhile to WNNZ 640, Westfield, which is > currently a second channel (news and talk) for WFCR. What did that > station used to do? It was all-sports, and before that, news-(mostly)talk. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 23:49:46 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio In-Reply-To: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810262049h2493c7b9weedb90cd681c53bf@mail.gmail.com> No, WFSB-TV didn't change their COL. Channel 3 Springfield is really WSHM-LP Channel 67 being fed to Cable Systems, with local Springfield newscasts, etc. WNNZ used to be sports. Clear Channel is leasing it to the WFCR folks. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:41 PM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I was in the Amherst area this weekend, and I noticed that what > always was Channel 3 in Hartford is now identifying itself as CBS 3 > Springfield. Did they change their COL? When did that happen? > > I also was listening for awhile to WNNZ 640, Westfield, which is > currently a second channel (news and talk) for WFCR. What did that > station used to do? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Oct 27 09:00:23 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:00:23 -0400 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810262049h2493c7b9weedb90cd681c53bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> <8bce0fe80810262049h2493c7b9weedb90cd681c53bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4905BB67.4010306@fybush.com> Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > No, WFSB-TV didn't change their COL. Channel 3 Springfield is really WSHM-LP > Channel 67 being fed to Cable Systems, with local Springfield newscasts, > etc. The fun part is, WFSB also puts "CBS3 Springfield" on one of its subchannels of WFSB-DT, so anyone in the Hartford market who can get WFSB-DT can watch the Springfield programming, too. In addition to the local Springfield news at 6 and 11, there's a somewhat different roster of syndicated programming and - perhaps most critically - a different set of priorities for Sunday football (Hartford viewers, for some reason, want to see the New York teams...) But wait, there's more: WFSB-DT includes two more subchannels. 3.3 is a non-stop weather channel, and 3.4 is "WFSB Fairfield County," with the same programming as the main Hartford service but with local Fairfield ad inserts and PSAs. There's some talk of eventually doing local news inserts there, too. s From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Oct 27 11:54:33 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:54:33 -0500 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio In-Reply-To: <4905BB67.4010306@fybush.com> References: <49050020.19278.AA33C7@joe.attorneyross.com> <8bce0fe80810262049h2493c7b9weedb90cd681c53bf@mail.gmail.com> <4905BB67.4010306@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770810270854o1d011d8aycc56c7eff02509f5@mail.gmail.com> I like the aggressive approach WFSB is taking with DTV. Fairfield County may well be impossible to penetrate given how strong channel 8 in New Haven is but I can see it working in Springfield especially with LPTV. 20 years ago somebody in Springfield had a LPTV that lived on taking sports OTA from WSBK and the station did well in the pre NESN days. I suspect we will see one of the Boston stations try something similar in Worcester at some point. From Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org Sat Oct 25 10:44:21 2008 From: Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org (Jeffrey.P.Bottalico@kp.org) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:44:21 -1000 Subject: PSA - Digital Conversion In-Reply-To: <18690.3890.265805.300819@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I know it is 5000 miles away, but Analog will end a month early here in Hawaii as the Haleakala Mt antenna has to be dismantled before the nesting season for the birds begin in February. >Speaking of the DTV conversion, I saw an announcement on NHPTV last >night that they would be reducing power on WENH-TV for the conversion. >Presumably this is one of those deals where they split a combined >analog transmitter, and convert one half to digital. From don.saklad@gmail.com Mon Oct 27 14:50:39 2008 From: don.saklad@gmail.com (don warner saklad) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:50:39 -0400 Subject: What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... Message-ID: What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... it appears weak receiving through the antenna! From n1qgs@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 15:30:12 2008 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <950849.27224.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It 99% disappeared Sunday in the middle of the football game. Came back briefly a couple times up here in Derry NH, and gone overnight and all day today (Monday). I only get a brief hint of audio, and extremely snowy video every couple of minutes. Other Boston U's are coming in okay. John B Derry NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Oct 27 15:32:02 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:32:02 -0500 Subject: What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c9386a$b1185320$a9141bac@core2k> > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of don warner saklad > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:51 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... > > What happened to the WFXT Channel 25 signal?... it appears > weak receiving through the antenna! > I know they had to make a repair to their feedline to the antenna last night, the other stations on the tower had to power down (WLVI 56 and WLVI-HD 41 to 10%) so they could go up and make the repair. I do not know if the repair was successful. Larry Weil WHDH/WLVI Master Control From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Oct 27 15:20:37 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problem with Hartford TV signals? Message-ID: <389386.60779.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We were having issues yesterday with Channels 3 and 61 while watching football, and someone else mentioned the CPTV station that transmits from the same site was causing issues, too. Was this a Comcast issue with a link from the Hartford stations, or something else? From dillane@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 18:23:02 2008 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:02 -0400 Subject: Western Mass TV & radio Message-ID: <005801c93882$9a806720$cf813560$@net> >WFSB-DT includes two more subchannels. 3.3 is a non-stop weather channel... 3.3, called Eyewitness News Now, also shows news updates and traffic reports. The sub-channel is streamed on wfsb.com under the weather tab. >Pioneer Valley cable systems now carry Meredith's WSHM-LP instead of WFSB. WSHM's website is cbs3springfield.com. >It (WNNZ) was all-sports, and before that, news-(mostly)talk. Before talk, WNNZ played oldies in the late 80s. From map@mapinternet.com Tue Oct 28 12:52:50 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:52:50 -0400 Subject: Problem with Hartford TV signals? References: <389386.60779.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C7411703F504D57A2B4ECF46D46E08F@yourm3vezyx8af> Ch3 and 61 are different sites. Probably a Comcast issue. I did not notice any signal degradation for either the digital or analog over the air signals for 3, 24 or 61 Mark K1MAP Hampden, Mass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Problem with Hartford TV signals? We were having issues yesterday with Channels 3 and 61 while watching football, and someone else mentioned the CPTV station that transmits from the same site was causing issues, too. Was this a Comcast issue with a link from the Hartford stations, or something else? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Tue Oct 28 15:41:14 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:41:14 -0400 Subject: WMUA reunion Message-ID: <380-220081022819411446@ix.netcom.com> Joe - thanks for the report. I really wish I'd known reunion was scheduled, I would have gone, tho probably noone would remember me. I do remember my days there fondly, even tho my only air time was 1 newscast. Bob Sutherland > [Original Message] > From: A. Joseph Ross > To: > Date: 10/26/2008 11:46:53 PM > Subject: WMUA reunion > > I was in Amherst this weekend for the 60th anniversary celebration > and station reunion of WMUA, From attychase@comcast.net Wed Oct 29 17:24:44 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:24:44 -0400 Subject: WMUA reunion References: Message-ID: <91B19592F4A94C4BBB1D9BDA6717E9D9@HomeOffice> Me too, especially where my daughter actually goes there now and my son graduated there a few years ago. WMUA started my down one career path with an interest in getting a first radiotelephone back in the late sixties. Bob Chase > Joe - > thanks for the report. > I really wish I'd known reunion was scheduled, I would have gone, > tho probably noone would remember me. > I do remember my days there fondly, even tho my only > air time was 1 newscast. > > Bob Sutherland > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: A. Joseph Ross >> To: >> Date: 10/26/2008 11:46:53 PM >> Subject: WMUA reunion >> >> I was in Amherst this weekend for the 60th anniversary celebration >> and station reunion of WMUA, > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Oct 29 18:12:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:12:14 -0400 Subject: WMUA reunion In-Reply-To: <91B19592F4A94C4BBB1D9BDA6717E9D9@HomeOffice> References: , <91B19592F4A94C4BBB1D9BDA6717E9D9@HomeOffice> Message-ID: <4908A77E.23794.8C2745@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Oct 2008 at 17:24, Robert S Chase wrote: > Me too, especially where my daughter actually goes there now and my > son graduated there a few years ago. > > WMUA started my down one career path with an interest in getting a > first radiotelephone back in the late sixties. I would like to suggest that any former WMUA members on the list who did not receive notice of this reunion send an e-mail to Glenn Siegel at advisor@wmua.org and ask to be put on the list for next time. You may also want to ask the Alumni Association whether they have lists and, if so, ask to be listed as a WMUA alum. That will help assure that you get a notice next time. These reunions seem to be held about every ten years or so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From attychase@comcast.net Wed Oct 29 20:49:05 2008 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:49:05 -0400 Subject: WMUA reunion References: , <91B19592F4A94C4BBB1D9BDA6717E9D9@HomeOffice> <4908A77E.23794.8C2745@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <8230F2645F8148C98882FB6D264FBD9D@HomeOffice> Now he tells me! To paraphrase the response of the judge to the old man who said he couldn't do the long sentence to which he had just been sentenced, I'll do the best I can. (I'll be 72 then) (The judge said to the old man, well then, just do the best you can.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Robert S Chase" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: RE: WMUA reunion > I would like to suggest that any former WMUA members on the list who > did not receive notice of this reunion send an e-mail to Glenn Siegel > at advisor@wmua.org and ask to be put on the list for next time. You > may also want to ask the Alumni Association whether they have lists > and, if so, ask to be listed as a WMUA alum. That will help assure > that you get a notice next time. These reunions seem to be held > about every ten years or so. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 31 21:46:24 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:46:24 -0400 Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes Message-ID: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> I took today, the last weekday this year with five hours of afternoon, off from work so I could drive around the Pioneer Valley. (Is that an admission of having no life or what?) Some notes: o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk o WSCB (89.9A Springfield) noted on air with open carrier and stereo pilot. o WMAS (1450 Springfield) failed to ID. o Does that Spanish-language preacher on WLHZ-LP (107.9 Springfield) ever stop screaming? o There's no convenient place to stop between Northampton and South Hadley that has a decent signal from both WOZQ (91.9A N'ton) and WMHC (91.5A S. Hadley). o WOZQ did not identify. o WNMH (91.5A Northfield) is supposedly on 24x7 automation, but it was not on the air when I passed. o WKBK (1290B Keene) and WZBK (1220D Keene) are both now on translators (mounted on the WZBK tower); the hourly IDs for both stations identify the translators. (WKVT-1490 is also // WZBK.) o The WKNE etc. studio building looks to have been completely remodeled since I was last there about a decade ago. o WEEY (93.5A Swanzey) has been running the raw WEEI feed with no local ID the past couple of times I've passed through Keene. o The former WPLY-FM (96.3A Walpole) is still simulcasting WWOD-104.3 despite having recently changed calls. o Franklin Pierce College upgraded to a University but the campus station is still WFPC-LP. On the way home, I stopped by Holliston High School. Sadly, whatever educational program the station has doesn't seem to have penetrated the skull of the kid who was on between 7:40 and 8:20. Not only was there no legal ID, but he or she never even cracked the mic in all that time. The square waves sounded like they were coming from a teenager's iPod on shuffle, complete with two-second pauses between tracks. PICON? It's not clear from the HHS Web site who the responsible adult is. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 31 22:21:50 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:21:50 -0400 Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes In-Reply-To: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <18699.48446.750022.456760@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk Just so people don't think this was a Hallowe'en trick, yes, I do actually know that WBNW the 1120 in Concord now. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Oct 31 23:25:45 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:25:45 -0400 Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com> References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18699.52281.724587.79617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > No, the preacher on WLHZ-LP never stops screaming. My friend drove through a > few weeks ago and heard basically the same thing. I have to say, whoever dropped that thing in there was a genius. That's a better signal than either of the Springfield-licensed As, and certainly much better than any LPFM has a right to be in my book. Too bad about the programming.... -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Oct 31 23:31:36 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:31:36 -0500 Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes In-Reply-To: <18699.52281.724587.79617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com> <18699.52281.724587.79617@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810312031r6fcf7e66l46faffe4d7dcd8c0@mail.gmail.com> Its SUPPOSED to be 7 Watts at 367 feet from West of Springfield. Paul On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> said: > > > No, the preacher on WLHZ-LP never stops screaming. My friend drove > through a > > few weeks ago and heard basically the same thing. > > I have to say, whoever dropped that thing in there was a genius. > That's a better signal than either of the Springfield-licensed As, and > certainly much better than any LPFM has a right to be in my book. Too > bad about the programming.... > > -GAWollman > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Oct 31 22:06:57 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:06:57 -0500 Subject: Some Pioneer Valley notes In-Reply-To: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18699.46320.112776.27497@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810311906u19a1a60dyc5ea4fb40838d071@mail.gmail.com> No, the preacher on WLHZ-LP never stops screaming. My friend drove through a few weeks ago and heard basically the same thing. You mean WBNW 1120, right? 1120 and 970 are owned by Barry Armstrong, host of Money Matters. I have a few clips of WPLY/WWOD when there was some kind of outage at the transmitter site but the studios and streaming were working fine.. and you hear a weather bed and community calendar music ebd just roll on..and on..... annnnd on. A google search shows the WHHB Faculty advisor is Mr. Chris Murphy http://teacherweb.com/MA/HollistonHighSchool/murphy/ Paul Walker On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I took today, the last weekday this year with five hours of afternoon, > off from work so I could drive around the Pioneer Valley. (Is that an > admission of having no life or what?) Some notes: > > o WESO (970D Southbridge) // WBNW-590 with brokered business talk > o WSCB (89.9A Springfield) noted on air with open carrier and stereo > pilot. > o WMAS (1450 Springfield) failed to ID. > o Does that Spanish-language preacher on WLHZ-LP (107.9 Springfield) > ever stop screaming? > o There's no convenient place to stop between Northampton and South > Hadley that has a decent signal from both WOZQ (91.9A N'ton) and WMHC > (91.5A S. Hadley). > o WOZQ did not identify. > o WNMH (91.5A Northfield) is supposedly on 24x7 automation, but it was > not on the air when I passed. > o WKBK (1290B Keene) and WZBK (1220D Keene) are both now on > translators (mounted on the WZBK tower); the hourly IDs for both > stations identify the translators. (WKVT-1490 is also // WZBK.) > o The WKNE etc. studio building looks to have been completely > remodeled since I was last there about a decade ago. > o WEEY (93.5A Swanzey) has been running the raw WEEI feed with no > local ID the past couple of times I've passed through Keene. > o The former WPLY-FM (96.3A Walpole) is still simulcasting WWOD-104.3 > despite having recently changed calls. > o Franklin Pierce College upgraded to a University but the campus > station is still WFPC-LP. > > On the way home, I stopped by Holliston High School. Sadly, whatever > educational program the station has doesn't seem to have penetrated > the skull of the kid who was on between 7:40 and 8:20. Not only was > there no legal ID, but he or she never even cracked the mic in all > that time. The square waves sounded like they were coming from a > teenager's iPod on shuffle, complete with two-second pauses between > tracks. PICON? It's not clear from the HHS Web site who the > responsible adult is. > > -GAWollman > >